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Oct. 2, 2013 - Art Bell

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Dark Matter with Art Bell - Robotics in his Paranormal Investigations - Soul Traveler - Dr. Albert Taylor

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	The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound, or the strength of an oak when it moves deep in the ground.
	The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing?
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing?
	To have all these things in our memories whole?
	I need you to stand to help us.
	Ride, ride like she saw.
	Take this place, on this trip, just for me.
	Ride, take a free ride.
	Take my place, have my seat, it's for free.
	Have my seat, it's for free.
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	I worked like a slave for years.
	Worked so hard just to end my fears.
	Not to end my life before then.
	But by now I know I should have run.
	Wanna take a ride?
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio, this is Dark Matter with your host, Art Bell.
	Now, here's Art.
	Welcome to extraterrestrial radio, everybody.
	I am Art Bell.
	It's a pleasure to be here, on Sirius XM particularly.
	Boy, I'll tell you what.
	These folks have done exactly what they have said they would do all the way down the line.
	The stereo is now summed up.
	So, those of you who were astute enough to send me emails about the stereo situation, congratulations!
	You got it dead right.
	That's why you have to pay attention to emails that come from all of you.
	Speaking of that, if you want to send me one, I'm artbell at artbell dot com.
	I want to lead tonight with, um, sad news.
	I'm sure you know by now, Tom Clancy has passed away at just 66 years of age.
	Two years younger than I am.
	Read every one of his books.
	He's an American icon.
	He'll certainly be very much missed.
	Red October.
	Hunt for Red October.
	Was just awesome.
	So, take care, Tom.
	See you on the other side.
	Working on the 90-minute timeout.
	Yes, I know that annoys many people.
	Well, you've got to remember, it really is important to remember, that SiriusXM sort of began more as a music service than it did as anything else.
	And then I began to add a little bit of talk radio, and this is really, I think, its first foray.
	Well, there's Howard.
	But I mean, really, into long-form talk radio, and particularly, certainly, paranormal talk radio.
	This is their first foray into it.
	So, learn as you go.
	Okay.
	I want to remind you about ghost stories.
	If you want to, if you have a very good ghost story, just encapsulate it, very short story, with your phone number, and perhaps on Spooky Matter, that would be Halloween, Spooky Matter.
	Good name, thank you, Velgab.
	That's a site where they talk about this program.
	Velgab.
	V-E-L-L-G-A-B.
	You might want to take a look.
	As I said last night, they're pretty cruel in terms of being critics, but vaguely lovable.
	Now, there's another meteor.
	I'm beginning to think that somebody out there is throwing rocks at us.
	This one went screaming over Alberta, but this time, this time, it was captured on video.
	So you might want to take a look.
	It's the Age of the Meteor.
	What can I say?
	They're coming one after another after another.
	I've been doing reports every single night on meteors.
	And there's a picture on the website, artbill.com.
	There's going to be a lot of reasons for you to go to artbill.com tonight.
	A picture of some weather that the writer thought represented some sort of weather modification.
	It certainly represents a very, very weird picture of weather.
	I don't know what you call that coming in on Montana.
	I've got to take a second and tell you about the funniest thing that I think I've, you know, I've been a cat owner.
	All my life, as you know, still have three.
	Dolly, Abby, Yeti.
	And I mention Dolly first because she's the one who gets the credit for this story.
	You know, I sleep like I think anybody else.
	We've got a king size bed.
	My wife and I are together side by side.
	But this morning at about six o'clock, something, you know, and I get to bed late after the program, something woke me up.
	Dolly is our little adoptee from the Philippines.
	We got her in Manila.
	And she's a little kitty.
	You know, a little Filipina kitty.
	And she's always going to be small.
	But she's a darling.
	Anyway, this morning at about six in the morning, I woke up because I heard a... I can't make... You know, my voice won't go high enough to imitate her voice.
	You know, half asleep.
	So I turned over, and between my wife and myself, there is a little room between the two pillows.
	You've got to picture this.
	I don't know how she did it, but she's very human, you know, she opens drawers, she does a lot of things that you probably ought not be doing.
	But here she is, next to me, in the little space between my pillow and my wife's.
	With her head up.
	In other words, she's sleeping on her back.
	And I swear to God, folks, this is the truth.
	Every word of it.
	She's got the covers going around her little neck.
	And her head is facing up, as in sleeping on her back.
	How she got under there, managed to cover herself up, And then stick her head out so she was imitating us.
	I don't know.
	But there she was and she was there all night long.
	I guess I woke up at six and she was kind of snoring and dreaming.
	I think it was a dream.
	You know, cats have dreams and sometimes they're moving around or making a little noise and I guess she had a dream.
	But it was hilarious.
	If I could have had a picture of it, it would have been the billion dollar picture of the year.
	So I can only describe it to you, but it was hilarious, absolutely hilarious, to turn over and see a cat on its back, covered up to its neck, and snoring somewhat peacefully.
	I swear to you it's true.
	Anyway, all right, now on to the real reason for you to go to artbell.com.
	We have had so many emails, so many communications from people saying, What about dark matter stuff?
	You know, t-shirts, coffee cups?
	Dark matter is a, you know, pretty cool thing to have printed on whatever.
	And we've been getting those now since the show began.
	So, okay, we've got them now.
	We now have a store on the website.
	It's called Arts Parts.
	Not a bad name, huh?
	Arts Parts.
	And in Arts Parts, you can choose from t-shirts, coffee mugs, hats, you know, that kind of stuff.
	And it's the only official, you know, that we live in the day and age of piracy.
	I mean big piracy.
	You know, I have no illusions about it.
	TV shows are pirated.
	Movies are pirated.
	My program is pirated.
	Everything's pirated.
	It's just the age we live in.
	And so, you know, there's people out there pirating my image and the name of the show and selling stuff.
	Well, let me tell you, it's not the real stuff.
	Now, how will you know that what you get is the real thing?
	Well, I have signed it.
	That's how you'll know.
	If you see a supposed Arts Parts item and it doesn't have my signature on it, That means it's bootleg stuff.
	It also means that if they've copied my signature, they're going to have legal cement shoes shortly.
	So there you have it.
	If you want to go to Artbell.com, those of you who have been asking about it, we have quite an assortment of cool stuff.
	Coming up in a... wait, I'm not done.
	Am I?
	Government still closed.
	NASA's testing cell phone tracking.
	Oh, wonderful.
	NSA, rather, is testing cell phone tracking.
	Probably with the help of NASA.
	Here's somebody, a subscriber from the United Kingdom, says, Art, it was a little tricky to become one here in the UK, but I did it.
	As you said, I need a U.S.
	address and U.S.
	credit card.
	So, congratulations, and hi over there.
	Let's see.
	Oh, yes.
	This is somebody who writes about Whitley's statement of, uh, if you die... You know, I'm going to be asking our guest tonight about this.
	This goes way back to John Leardays, who quoted, he said, Whitley Strieber, and that is, if you die, The traditional thing is you go to the light, right?
	There's a bright, shiny light.
	Your relatives are supposed to be there along with your friends who've passed away and probably Tom Clancy to say welcome.
	So you go to the light.
	But no.
	No, I've been told otherwise by some wise people.
	John Lear and Whitley confirmed it last night.
	Don't go to the light, they say.
	Go to the darkness.
	The light is a trick.
	Nothing has ever bugged me, after I heard it, more than that.
	I still think, if I were to pass on right now, and I saw the light, and I saw the darkness, I'd be going to the light.
	But according to some knowledgeable people, I would be tricked And I'd walk right into, I suppose, the flames.
	Or whatever was waiting.
	So, doesn't that bug you?
	Do you hear that?
	People saying it's a trick.
	Don't go to the light, go to the darkness.
	See, now I've put it on you.
	You'll always think about it now.
	Military Magazine highlights Iranian Air Force encounters with UFOs Combat aircraft monthly makes a startling claim.
	F-14s from the Islamic Republic of the Iran Air Force have been chasing something for 20 years.
	Now, when I first read this, I thought, sure, drones.
	Ours.
	But no.
	The mysterious, unidentified craft displayed astonishing flight characteristics, including, for example, the ability to fly outside the atmosphere.
	Ta-da!
	Attain a maximum cruise speed of Mach 10 and a minimum speed of zero with the ability to hover over any target they want.
	Now, if we have drones like that, maybe we do.
	I mean, who knows?
	Maybe we do.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to halt it all there.
	Art's Parts up at Artvell.com.
	Take a look.
	Pick out what you like.
	Los Angeles Times best-selling author, paranormal researcher, and former engineer scientist, get this, on the International Space Station, Dr. Albert Taylor, has been involved in numerous top-secret programs, one of which is the F-117A Stealth Fighter.
	He was also the design team, uh, on the design team of the former President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI, or Star Wars.
	Boy, we could ask him lots of questions, huh?
	Taylor is currently an internationally known lecturer, speaker, and paranormal researcher, robot design builder, and programmer.
	He's an active supporter of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
	So we'll ask him about this going to the darkness thing.
	And the Monroe, the well-respected Monroe Institute.
	So, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
	It's going to be a very interesting night.
	What I suggest is that you stay right where you are and prepare yourself for, how dare
	I say it, quite a ride.
	Yes, we're going to blow it all sky high.
	This is Dark Matter.
	I'm Art Bell, and we're gonna rage through the nighttime.
	Stay right where you are.
	Roll right by the wind.
	Throw down in a spin.
	I I gave you love.
	I thought that we had made it to the top.
	I gave you all I had to give.
	Why did it have to stop?
	You blow it all sky high, by telling me a lie.
	To call Art Bell, please manipulate your communication device and call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	Now, Dr. Albert Taylor, author, by the way, even though he's going to talk about robots tonight, but because of the fact that there are so many New listeners, after all, when we started here, yes, I know a lot of you came over, and, you know, my regular listeners, I do understand you came over, but bear in mind, Sirius XM has about 27 million subscribers.
	That's a whole bunch of people.
	27 million people, my God.
	That really is a lot of people.
	And, you know, they're kind of stumbling into And discovering the show.
	A lot of people have XM, Sirius, in their cars.
	And, you know, you're on a long trip and you're going, my God, this is a lot of channels.
	How many are here, anyway?
	A couple hundred, I think.
	Two hundred or something.
	That's a lot of channels.
	So, they're slowly stumbling into Dark Matter.
	We're here for, what, a total of eight hours, I think.
	Every night.
	That's a lot of time.
	Really a lot of time.
	Anyway, new listeners.
	So, Dr. Taylor originally wrote a book called Soul Traveler.
	Dr. Taylor, welcome to the show.
	How are you doing?
	You're inviting me back.
	It's an awesome experience again.
	Well, it is awesome, and for a lot of listeners, as I just mentioned, it's going to be a new experience.
	We're going to get to robots and paranormal, but you wrote a book called Soul Traveler.
	At the time it was, well still is, revolutionary, I would say.
	Well thank you, thank you.
	You're very welcome.
	And so give us a sense, if you would, as if you were talking to a brand new person who
	had never seen your book, never heard of soul travel, doesn't have the slightest clue what
	soul traveling is.
	Give us the 101, please.
	Well, first, let me say this.
	I just stopped laughing because I was thinking, why doesn't it surprise me that you'd have a cat named Yeti?
	So I just wanted to mention that.
	Twenty-two years old, Albert.
	Twenty-two years old.
	I'm a cat lover, too.
	I almost named my cat Astro, but I thought not.
	Maybe not.
	That wouldn't be a good idea.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	We have a little pause, so it's important every now and then to pause or we won't hear each other.
	That cat you mentioned is 22 years old now.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	He's a senior citizen.
	I love cats.
	I really do.
	Anyway, so your book, Soul Traveler, if you're going to give somebody an idea, just as you would from the beginning, what would you say?
	Well, first of all, I can say that I never set out to write a book.
	I was keeping a diary, a journal, basically.
	As far back as I can remember, the age of five is my earliest memory of having some strange things happen to me in my life and being terrified of them all my life.
	And the superstition that my family used to infuse into that experience didn't help any.
	And the thing that used to happen to me all the time was that I would wake up in the middle of the night and I would feel paralyzed and I couldn't move, but I could see and I could hear.
	And then the really scary parts are sometimes there would be something humanoid, transparent, shadowy moving around my room.
	So at five years old, my grandmother lived with us at that time.
	So at five years old, when I'd finally be able to move my body, which was a horrible experience, I would jump out of my bed and I would go running into her room and I would say, Grandma, Grandma, there was... I couldn't move and I was paralyzed and there was someone in my room.
	And my grandmother would pat me on the back and say, Oh, that's all right.
	What that was, was a witch was coming to steal your soul because you were bad yesterday.
	So that was my introduction to what's now known as out-of-body experiences.
	So with that kind of beginning, I wasn't eager to embrace this at all.
	As a matter of fact, I was terrified of it.
	And there is a lot of people over the years, particularly in my family, that are terrified of this and they still have this experience.
	And those people who are out there who do have this experience, if you don't know what it is, it is very frightening.
	Here's a first big question for you.
	People are probably sitting there going, oh come on, out of body, out of body.
	Can you really, verifiably, Leave your body either during sleep or during a session that you cook up with some level of concentration or however you would do it.
	Can you really, really, really leave your body?
	Is it for real or is it... Well, I don't know what's the right word.
	Not real.
	Well, is it real or is it a dream or is it a figment of my imagination?
	Is it a neurological Defect?
	Well, I have to say this.
	I was raised Catholic.
	I didn't believe in this stuff.
	I wasn't taught anything about this stuff.
	The closest thing to anything astral that I knew of was Astro, the dog on the Jetsons.
	So, being a scientist in aerospace and being in the military with a secret clearance for almost three decades, this didn't even come into my frame of reference Or a belief in any way, shape, or form.
	But I couldn't ignore the fact that I'd been having these neurological or paralysis episodes and the voices.
	And then another thing that I didn't know is that I was having a lot of flying dreams.
	And I would be flying in my dreams all the time.
	And not just flying, but in control of my dreams.
	In other words, having lucid dreams.
	But I never knew any of that was connected.
	And then later on, I had the fortune of attending a lecture of a woman who had a near-death experience.
	And she was the first person, she said to everybody, she says, has anybody ever felt paralyzed?
	And that was the first time that anybody outside of my family had ever even talked about it.
	And my hand immediately shot up in the air and I said, yeah, it happens to me all the time.
	And she was the very first person that said to me, You may be on the verge of having out-of-body experiences.
	And I looked at her and I laughed because I didn't believe in any of that stuff.
	And I thought, okay, well, if I'm really having this, it'd be easy for me to check because at that particular time, the experiences had gone from happening maybe once a week to sometimes three times a night.
	So it wasn't, I didn't have to, yeah, that's why it got my attention and that's why I started investigating it.
	And I have to admit, I didn't go to Psychics and palm readers and all that to investigate it first.
	I went to a neurologist and I was looking for a physical abnormality or genetic abnormality that was causing this.
	I wasn't looking for anything hocus pocus or magical or anything like that.
	So we're going to her when she said that.
	The first thing I did is that night and it was amazing.
	I kept a journal and my journal eventually became my book.
	That night I decided I was going to conduct maybe 10 or 20 different experiments throughout the week and see and write it down and see if I could make some sense of it.
	And she said to me something that began to change everything.
	She said, if you do have one of these experiences, she said, think about coming to see me.
	And I thought, OK, I will think about that.
	So I remember I'd flown so many times.
	But I'd never gone from a waking state laying down and meditating to actually leaving the body that I could remember and ending up in a flying situation.
	But in that particular night, what I did is I laid down and I began to, because I'd been practicing trying to duplicate what had happened to me before, I realized that it happened when I was very relaxed.
	When my breathing was very deep and steady, and I began to imitate that.
	Little did I know I was developing some type of, you know, launching technique at that time.
	So I began to do that, and what happened was I began to feel as if my body or the bed was vibrating.
	And because I live in Southern California, that's not something so abnormal.
	I immediately, my fail-safes, I look at this little tassel That hangs from my ceiling fan, that when there's an earthquake, it's like my little Richter scale.
	And I can judge the level, but it wasn't moving.
	And I thought, okay.
	And then I thought, well, let me turn over.
	And I tried to turn over and I couldn't move.
	This was the very first time I'd gone from waking state to actually the paralysis state.
	And then I thought, and then, then without me even thinking about it, All of a sudden it felt like, I felt like I had my head against the headboard of my bed.
	And then it felt like my headboard began to move downward.
	And I thought, that's a strange feeling.
	And then I wear glasses.
	And I knew I hadn't gone to bed with my glasses on.
	And all of a sudden I could see.
	And not just see blurry like I normally would until I put my glasses on.
	But the room was very, very clear.
	And it had a really strange glow to it.
	And then I began to hear this sound, like a buzzing sound, like electrical buzzing that went along with the vibration, and it was really, real loud.
	And so while all this was going on, I began to think about what the lady, the woman who had had the near-death experience said, and I began to think about her.
	And this was real strange too, because this had never happened to me.
	While I began to think about her, all of a sudden, I felt as if, and this scared me hard at first, it startled me at least, I felt two hands grab me and kind of push-pull me toward the window.
	I went through the window kind of like if you've ever been in a bathtub and you've had a bubble bath and you stick your finger in through the bubble and it kind of adheres to your finger.
	That's kind of how the glass felt going through.
	That really is so cool.
	I can almost feel it as you say it.
	I've never done this, but I've been out of my way.
	You've come close.
	I've only come close.
	I've never had the kind of thing you're talking about, and you can actually prove this, can't you?
	In other words, you actually go elsewhere, and you've seen people, messages have transpired, that kind of thing, right?
	Well, this was the first night that that little bit of evidence or clue happened.
	Because as I began to move, flying through the air, I suddenly realized, this is just like flying that I've been doing all my life, except I never entered it from a waking state before.
	And it didn't seem like I was in control of the direction I was heading.
	It seemed like I was being kind of guided.
	And the one thing I was in control of was flying higher and faster, but I wasn't in control of the direction.
	And after a while, I found myself coming down toward a rooftop in a neighborhood I'd never been before and penetrating the roof.
	I thought I was going to crash into it, but penetrating the roof And I could actually see the wiring and insulation in the attic as I was moving down through the roof and eventually into a bedroom.
	Somebody said.
	That's so cool.
	Yeah.
	And so I'm standing at the foot of the bed and I'm thinking, am I dreaming this?
	And then I noticed in the bed was the woman who had the near-death experience who told me to come think about her.
	Now, none of this to me was proof at all.
	I could have been dreaming this, and it was wishful thinking, whatever, I paid no attention to this.
	But I noticed that one of her legs was sticking out of the bed, and on her leg was, it looked like me, to me, a cast, like she had broken her leg.
	And I thought, okay, that's an interesting thing to remember, if I'm really here.
	And then I noticed that, I knew she was married, but I noticed that she, her and her husband slept in twin beds, and not only was he Another person, I assume it was her husband, but he was in the bed and the bed was way on the other side of the room, which I thought, well, that's kind of strange.
	you know I thought well maybe they've been married a long time or something.
	Oh, well, that happens.
	I don't know.
	It may end up being in the other room.
	I don't know.
	But I thought, OK, if I'm really here, then that's another good thing to remember.
	And then something I rarely talk about this and All of a sudden, there was this being, this brilliant, light, humanoid-shaped thing.
	I didn't know what it was, and it was standing by the head of the bed of the woman.
	And I have to say, because I'd never seen anything like that, and it was startling, overwhelming, it terrified me.
	And I thought, all I could think about was, whatever you are, please, I don't want to experience this.
	And this was interesting.
	Albert, just one second.
	I'm going to stop you for one second.
	I think that that is where you would lose a lot of people normally.
	In other words, the Soul Traveler part...
	Fascinating, even sounds like fun to do, and people are listening.
	But when you start talking about encountering a being, then you're going to lose some people who are going to say, ah, come on, a being.
	But once you've embraced one, then why not the other, I guess?
	Although it adds so much, for me, terror to the story.
	Well, I never mention it usually, even though it's in my book.
	But I don't because it was something that I still wasn't very comfortable with, but it's been years now since I've been talking about this, so I feel more comfortable sharing it.
	But it terrified me.
	I wasn't thinking it was an angel or anything.
	I just knew that it was something that should not have been there and wasn't a person.
	But the thing about it is, it was almost as if it knew I was afraid, and it shifted to Let's say a spectrum or frequency that I couldn't detect.
	That's the best way I can describe it.
	It's almost like turning the dial of a radio off the station.
	And I had a feeling it was still there, but it wasn't visibly there.
	So I thought to myself, well, I've had enough of this.
	I kind of felt like an astral cat burglar kind of thing.
	I thought, you know, I want to go home.
	I want to go back.
	And with that thought, I felt those hands again.
	And all of a sudden the scenery was It accelerated away from me at this incredible rate of speed.
	The speed, it was like nothing I've ever experienced.
	No plane or any type of vehicle I've ever experienced could go that fast.
	And all of a sudden I felt like I was dropped from the ceiling of my bedroom and landed in my bed.
	And I woke up and I was vibrating like crazy.
	And I turned on the light at the end of the bed.
	On the bed, and I took my journal out, and I began to write all of this down.
	Now, up until this point, Art, I can actually say, I didn't believe in out-of-body experiences.
	I didn't believe this experience was real at all, and not even curious if it was real.
	I just documented the experience, like keeping a dream journal, and that's about it.
	So the next, that was on a Saturday.
	On Monday, the woman that had the near-death experience was teaching another class.
	And I decided to go to her class and I was sitting there in the back of her class and I couldn't wait for the break because I wanted to ask her, you know, and I said to her at the break, I said, you know, I had an interesting experience dream this weekend and I wanted to share it with you.
	And she said, well, what?
	I said, I thought that I had this experience like leaving my body and I asked to see you, like you said, and I found myself in this bedroom.
	And you were in the bed and then I looked at her physically and she didn't have a cast on her leg.
	And I said, well, but in my dream, the experience that I had, you had a cast on your leg.
	And she said, well, she said, you know, I sleep with a heating pad on my leg, a white heating pad wrapped around my leg because I have arthritis in my knee.
	And I thought, coincidence?
	And then I said, well, you know, I noticed that you and your husband sleep In two different beds, and in my dream, he was way on the other side of the room.
	And she said, yeah, my husband, I put him way on the other side of the room because he has sleep apnea, and he snores and stops breathing in the middle of the night, and he keeps me up all night.
	And I thought to myself, coincidence?
	This doesn't make sense to me, because I don't believe in this stuff.
	But how could I dream that?
	That didn't make a lot of sense to me, but it did make me very, very curious.
	So, I decided to conduct another experiment the next night.
	But this time, I practiced the techniques a little bit more, and I ate at the same time I ate the previous day, and I tried to set up everything the way the process led up to me launching the night before.
	Same thing happened.
	I began to feel really relaxed, the vibration, all that happened, and coming up out of my body, the hands, And all that.
	This time, this is when I was on the space station program.
	Now, this is another thing.
	I'm not going to go around talking and telling people that I'm having paranormal or out-of-body experiences and fly to Johnson Space Center and train astronauts on how to assemble the space station, too.
	I'm not going to do that.
	I've had a secret security clearance since I was 18 years old.
	The first thing I worked on that was classified was the Lockheed U-2 when I was in the military.
	Now I'd moved through all these government programs and had this clearance.
	Now I have a top secret goal clearance and there was no way that I was going to jeopardize 22 decades of my career talking about crazy things.
	So I take it then, Albert, at this point you would have kept all of this information tightly secured in a little journal that you were keeping.
	You wouldn't have talked to anybody about it, definitely wouldn't have talked to anybody at work about this kind of thing.
	Exactly.
	Except I did talk to one person at work, but I trusted her for some reason.
	And that was interesting.
	She told me, she said, well, if you think that happened, why don't you try to visit me this time?
	So I thought, okay.
	And it was my friend Kim.
	So, and I wrote this in my journal too.
	While I was flying out of my body, like the night before, with the hands guiding me, this invisible guide of some sort, person, it dropped me.
	This is something that's interesting.
	It dropped me off in front of an apartment building that I'd never been to in a neighborhood.
	And this is something that was a puzzle to me then, but I understand now, is I couldn't remember where I was going.
	And I'll fast forward.
	The reason for that is because you're not traveling with your organic brain.
	You have a consciousness that's non-organic and it doesn't Remember trivialities, but that's something I discovered later on.
	So I sat there and I was struggling trying to remember what was I trying to do?
	And then it dawned on me.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was trying to visit my friend Kim.
	And when I remembered, all of a sudden I moved to the top floor.
	I moved through a wall and I found myself in a dining room.
	The first thing I noticed was there was a chandelier.
	Hanging from the dining room, but it was huge.
	I mean, it was too big for the dining room.
	It looked like it belonged somewhere else.
	And I thought, okay, if I'm really here, that's something interesting to remember.
	And then I moved down the hallway, and I noticed as I began to go down the hallway, and this was another interesting thing, is I wasn't walking.
	I was kind of sliding.
	Remember like the old Gumby animated things?
	Yes.
	It wasn't walking.
	It wasn't like sliding, floating, moving kind of thing.
	Except I was in contact with the floor.
	I wasn't floating above the floor.
	And I noticed I moved to the last door.
	The last door on the right-hand side, I remember, at the end was open.
	And I moved to the door and I came to the door and I noticed that there was two beds in the bedroom and there was a window in the bedroom that was in a very odd place.
	It wasn't in the center of the The wall, like you would think, were two beds on either side.
	It was way in the corner.
	And I thought, okay, that's a little odd, and that's something interesting to remember.
	And I moved to the window, and I looked out the window, and half of it, I could see an alleyway down below.
	I was on the second floor, and half of the window was blocked by a telephone pole.
	And I thought, okay, that's an interesting thing to remember, if I'm really here.
	So, I kind of pushed out the window and was floating above the alleyway, and I was trying to remember, how do I get back home?
	And I remember, oh yeah.
	Alright, let me for one second stop you.
	You said, interesting thing to remember, if I'm really here.
	Now, to me that says that you had a conscious awareness of the fact that you were in an altered state.
	Now, for example, when I dream, It's very, very real until I wake up and realize it's a dream, but never in my dream do I think, this is a cool dream, or I'm going to rewrite my dream.
	In other words, I'm always in that state.
	You had a conscious awareness of the fact that you were in this altered state, yes?
	Well, that's another part of what has been happening to me all my life.
	I remember when I was five years old, I would try to describe it to my mother.
	I would say, When I dream, I wake up in my dream, and then I fly, and I do things, and I did not explain it back then, and as I began to grow up, I realized, oh, I'm having lucid dreams, and I become aware.
	I know that I went to sleep.
	I know my body is sleeping somewhere, and this is a dream that I can have fun with, and I've been doing that all my life, but never thought of it being anything other than just lucid dreaming.
	That's a big, big difference.
	Hold tight, we're going to do a break here and we'll be right back.
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	Actually, the matter is not that dark at the moment.
	I think the matter is pretty cool.
	If you could do this, if you could put yourself in the kind of state that Dr. Taylor is talking about, That's right.
	You always do come safely back.
	That was one of my big questions in the beginning about all this.
	Do you always come safely back?
	stories people go to the moon and back. Now that's right you always do come safely back. That was one
	of my big questions in the beginning about all this. Do you always come safely back? And Dr.
	Taylor before we go any further I want to ask you if I die and I spy to my right with my little eyes
	sounds like my daughter, the light.
	And I spy to my left, the darkness.
	And I've got to turn in one direction or the other.
	I've had these people saying, it's a trick art, don't go to the light, go to the darkness.
	Do you have any advice there?
	Well, I have two different perspectives.
	One is my own personal experience, and the other is My almost two-decade experience in the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
	Eight million people in the United States alone have had near-death experiences.
	If you just want to look at a numbers game and not a belief system, there's only a handful that I know of and I've looked and read their books that have had negative experiences.
	The majority of people, and we're talking about millions, have had a positive experience.
	And when they've had these positive experiences, it's been with the Light, as they have described it.
	And these people who have described the Light come from all walks of life and all belief systems, and some of them with lack thereof.
	One of the most amazing near-death experiences, and I met the gentleman, he's a doctor.
	He's a blind doctor.
	He's been blind all of his life.
	But when he had his near-death experience, he could see, and he described seeing the light.
	So, that's on the near-death experience side.
	Now, on my personal side, I began, part of my experiment was to look into what is this light?
	Because I didn't know, I didn't believe.
	I mean, I was raised Catholic, you know?
	Catholics don't do that stuff.
	So, I'd say about 7 to 10 days into my experiment, I actually had an amazing encounter with this brilliant, if you want to use any other word except light, illumination, white sparkler kind of thing that was blinding and piercing and it is the one singular experience that I can tell you that changed my life forever.
	And that's why none of this is like a dream because I've never had a dream that changed my life forever.
	What happened was, while I was having this experience, because I asked for it, I said, I want to see the light while I was out of body.
	I encountered this brilliant, it looked like in the middle of the darkness, there was this sparkler, you know, like the sparklers you have on the Fourth of July.
	Sure.
	Those white sparklers and shards of it were going off in all directions, and it was brilliant.
	And I have to say, if I had physical eyes, I would have thought they probably would have been just burned away, because it was that brilliant.
	And the thing about it, though, is that I could sense that it wasn't just an object.
	And this is the thing that has never, ever happened in any other experience except for this, is I felt emotionally naked.
	And what I mean by that is everything that I have ever thought about inside my head, my secrets, anything, everything throughout my entire life was out on the table in front of this for examination.
	Not for judgment, but for examination and reassessment.
	So I guess through all this, by the way, we picked up a hum on the phone now.
	I have no idea why.
	Phone connections are really weird.
	It's not horrible, but it's there.
	The light or the darkness?
	Which do you go to?
	I guess you're in the light, right?
	I wouldn't hesitate.
	But this is the thing, though.
	Light and darkness, if you talk on a physical world, it has to do with photons.
	We're not talking about photons here.
	We're talking about a perception that is a talent that our soul has.
	I really want to know.
	The light or the darkness?
	Which do you go to?
	The light.
	I would say the light.
	The light.
	That's all I needed was a light.
	I wouldn't hesitate.
	Alright.
	You're really certain about that, right?
	Yes.
	Yes, without a doubt.
	Now, is it similar in soul-traveling experiences and in near-death?
	Well, there is one difference between the near-death and just having out-of-body experiences is that in the near-death experience from everything that has been described to me, because I haven't had one, I'm just a member, everything that's been described to me is that they are taken or shown or led or I'm told they have to return, that kind of thing.
	In the autobike experience, you go pretty much where you want to go about 80% of the time.
	And the reason that I say 80 is because it's not 100% because there are some things that you're led or directed to encounter, but most of the time, you choose when you go back and because it's so much fun, you have to almost fight your way to keep from coming back.
	But you're drawn back eventually.
	Okay, I would like to know this.
	Have you heard of anybody having a negative experience when soul-traveling or, you know, near-death, of course, that can be very negative, but soul-traveling when you're outside your body.
	Are you aware of any negative experiences?
	Well, yes.
	Mine.
	My own.
	But I can say this.
	It was when I was afraid and fearful in the very beginning And all that's gone away, but in the beginning, yeah, I had a lot of frightful experiences.
	It was basically because I didn't know that I was in control of the experience.
	I was a passenger instead of a driver.
	Okay.
	So there is a sort of a little cautionary note here about doing this.
	In other words, it doesn't always turn out well, but then again, sometimes you have bad dreams too.
	There's a learning curve, so to speak.
	Not bad.
	And the learning curve is about yourself.
	It's about your fears.
	It's about you.
	And it's about you discovering that your fears aren't founded.
	And that is something that, through this experience, you begin to feel more confident in.
	And it's like, you and I both are cat lovers, so I always use this analogy.
	It's like, I remember when I first got my kitten, And I would, um, the cat would, I brought it home and it was terrified of the surrounding and then would go usually hide somewhere and then come out, you know, later on or several days later.
	But over a period of time, the cat gets very used to your living room and it's running all around the house.
	Now you want to let the cat outside.
	So now there's this new opening, this new doorway, so to speak, and the cat will go and sniff around the doorway and you may find it sitting on the porch, but the slightest little bit of noise that happens, the cat's going to come running back in.
	Well, over a period of time, it's going to be in the bushes, and eventually you're going to be saying, kitty, kitty, and the cat's going to be gone somewhere.
	Well, that's how you are in the out-of-body experience.
	In the beginning, because you have all these fears that you've learned through your life, that people have shared with you, not knowing that they really weren't founded, you've embraced those fears, and you take those fears into this altered state with you, so they, unfortunately, are capable of manifesting.
	If I see something that's got big, red, glowing eyes, trust me, I'm not going to do it again.
	I'm not looking for that kind of OBE.
	I want... Whoops!
	What was that?
	That was my fault.
	I leaned on the button.
	Forgive me.
	No problem.
	Anyway, I don't want to spend the whole show on this.
	I just kind of wanted to update people.
	If you're having an experience, folks, like For example, Albert described where you're absolutely paralyzed.
	That's the beginning.
	If you're having an experience where you feel this intense I don't know what you call it.
	Buzzing.
	Kind of a buzzing, I would say.
	This is the beginning.
	Now, you can go from there and have a full OBE and go out of your body.
	It'll take a little doing, but you can do it.
	Am I right, Albert?
	Yes, yes, but I just don't want to leave.
	This loose end, because a lot of people are already frightened and terrified of this experience without me even saying anything.
	And I want to tell them that, yes, in the beginning I was afraid, but over a period of time I wasn't.
	And because I began to not be afraid, I began to explore this.
	And years and years later, it's the most wonderful thing that has ever happened to me in my life.
	And not only me, people that I've talked to and taught how to do this, my mother had frightful experiences all her life, and in her 70s and 80s, she had amazing out-of-body experiences.
	So I don't want people turned off by this and thinking that it's going to be something horrific and long-term, and it's not.
	It's going to be something wonderful.
	And yes, you can learn to leave your body, which I didn't know and didn't believe in, by relaxation.
	And I didn't know anything about meditation and all these exercises that all these shamans
	and mystics would do.
	I didn't know anything about that.
	All I knew is that it would happen to me normally without me trying.
	It happened when I was relaxed and it happened when my breathing was steady and that type
	of thing.
	That's all I tried to do is duplicate that.
	So you recommend people have courage and if they find themselves on the edge, and I've
	been there many times, they just go ahead and take the plunge and go out of your body.
	Let yourself go.
	Yes?
	Well, not just because of to have the experience, because it's like it expands.
	Let's say the first part of the experience, yes, it's a lot of fun and exploratory and all that, but the bottom line is you really have to ask yourself, What are you that you can do these kind of things?
	So it goes beyond that.
	So it goes beyond just jumping on a roller coaster.
	What are you that you're capable of leaving a physical body, having encounters with non-physicals, flying, doing all this kind of things, and we haven't even talked about having encounters with deceased loved ones.
	Well, you're a human with a soul, is what you are, and that soul is capable of being separated from your body.
	But not everybody believes in the soul.
	I mean, I was raised in a Catholic Church where the soul was something you kept in your pocket, practically, and once in a while you dropped it and it got dirty and you had to take it to a priest and he'd cleanse it for you and you'd put it back in your pocket and walk around with it.
	It wasn't something that you could relate to or understand, at least in my world.
	But to say you have a soul versus that you are a soul, to me, is profoundly different.
	And through the out-of-body experience, that's what I found, and that's what a lot of people are finding out, is you don't have a soul, you are a soul.
	And the thing is, if you are a soul, and you've come to this earth to have an earthly human experience, why did you do that?
	And the out-of-body experience, I really truly believe that it's one of the Most incredible tools that we've been given here to actually find out who and what we really are and why we came to this planet in the first place.
	The purpose of our lives.
	And you would conclude the purpose of our lives is what?
	To evolve.
	And that means in a lot of ways.
	Some of them are interactive with our fellow man, fellow souls.
	And to evolve internally, as far as who you are, what you are, how you see your environment, and I mean the physical and the non-physical, and to perfect, to become better than you were.
	And as you become better, which I've found out, the more I evolve, the more I'm able to accomplish these experiences and go further and see things that I never ever would have dreamed of.
	So I really believe that every one of us has come here to evolve to a higher being that's going to open the doors truly to miracles.
	I really believe that.
	Well, you should have done, by now, you should have done a very great deal of evolving.
	I'm still working on it.
	Spiritual evolution is an ongoing process.
	I understand.
	But it's fun and challenging.
	Is your book, by the way, generally still available if people want to learn about all this?
	As far as I know, it's still on Amazon.com.
	I think Barnes & Noble is still carrying it, and a multitude of other bookstores all over the place.
	And for my Spanish-speaking friends, I have a new book out called Vallejero Astro, and it's about my story, and a little bit more than Soul Traveler, and it's available in Spanish also.
	No kidding.
	All right.
	A lot of people, I think, will enjoy that.
	So that was it.
	And it's going to wind right into this next topic.
	And I don't know how, but we're about to find out, I guess.
	You're doing some strange stuff.
	I was really surprised.
	I looked at some of the photographs that you, for example, supplied for tonight's show.
	And suddenly you're into robots, but not just robots, robots for paranormal investigation.
	Is that right?
	Right.
	Yes, yes.
	You know, let me tell you how this happened.
	Please do.
	First of all, I'm trying to understand the Autobot experience and I'm trying to research that through my own projections and document it and that type of thing.
	And then I'm teaching people and documenting theirs.
	And then The next door because I really think that the paranormal community or investigative community does themselves a disservice by putting up all these imaginary barriers between different disciplines.
	And what I mean by that is just because I'm having out-of-body experiences doesn't mean that it's related to ghost investigations.
	Doesn't mean that it's not related to UFO investigation, that kind of thing.
	We don't know.
	We know it's a mystery.
	So one of the things because of My background in aerospace, to me, the paranormal and out-of-body experiences is an unknown.
	And in my world, what we do with unknowns, especially in NASA, is that we send out probes to explore the unknown.
	Before man, there was a mariner that crashed on the moon long before Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon.
	So we send out these probes.
	Also, when we're investigating the deep, the ocean, We also send probes.
	So it didn't, it didn't, it made a lot of sense to me.
	And now, me, I, I've been building robots.
	I'm a member of the Riverside Robotic Society.
	And what we do is we build autonomous, we design, build, and autonomous robots.
	We also put on shows.
	So that was a hobby of mine.
	And then paranormal investigation was also an interest of mine.
	And then Audubi Experiences.
	So these three things are evolving around each other and bumping into each other.
	And I realized, um, let me, let me tell you how that I realized.
	I got called by a realtor, a realtor in Rialto, California.
	She had this house that it was a hundred year old home.
	And the guy that she usually sends to clean up the home, something happened to him at the home that terrified him so bad that he refuses to go back to the home to continue cleaning.
	So she's a realtor.
	She says, I don't know about this stuff, but I'd like to have you guys, you go in your team, go there and investigate this house and find out what happened.
	So I thought, okay, so we go to the house and it's one of those old homes that you see in the movies and, and including a hidden, uh, pathway behind the bookcase that, that slides out.
	It's really, really quite interesting.
	Well, one of the things I noticed during the investigation of that particular home is that when we opened the bookcase and looked into the pathway or the passageway, I noticed that the layer of dust was so thick, it had probably been there for at least 80 years or more.
	I don't know exactly, but a very, very, very long time.
	And I thought about this.
	The last thing, being a researcher and scientist, the last thing I want to do is disturb an investigative scene.
	And I was trying to figure out how do we investigate this pathway without just messing up everything and and ruining all and contaminating our evidence.
	And that's when it dawned on me about building a robotic probe, autonomous robotic probe, not radio-controlled, but autonomous robotic probe.
	Okay, when you say autonomous, you mean?
	That can think for itself.
	Think for itself.
	Right, right.
	One, something that, like for instance, right now, the probes that we have on Mars, they are semi-autonomous and practically, they're semi-autonomous, meaning that you can control them and guide them where you want it to go and in certain situations, emergency when it's on its own because the signal takes so long to get there, that it can make certain decisions on its own also.
	That a fully autonomous is something that can just make decisions, period.
	You don't need to interact with it, and it will accomplish its mission.
	Kind of like the Predator drones.
	The Predator drones are semi-autonomous, where there's a pilot, and he controls it, and he takes off and lands it, but there's some automated programs that you can punch into it that it'll accomplish its mission on its own.
	So, that's what semi-autonomous is.
	Well, that's very serious stuff.
	I mean, to create a robot is one thing.
	Hard enough, God knows, but to make it autonomous or even semi-autonomous, wow!
	What kind of decisions can your robots make?
	Well, let's start off with the first one.
	The first one is, and this is another thing, is I like to build my robots out of discarded items.
	It's kind of like recycling to me.
	I want to make my robots green as possible.
	I go around scrounging and taking apart VCRs and you name it.
	It has what's called a microcontroller.
	What a microcontroller is, it's a brain basically.
	It's a computer.
	You can upload programs into that brain using a language called C.
	That the brain will use and execute its mission.
	So what you do is you attach sensors and things like that to the brain and you attach, it's kind of like a person.
	Our brain, we have five senses that is attached to our brain and then the motor functions, you attach that to the robot and then you upload a program that tells all of that how to work together and what to do.
	So, what my robot is capable of doing, and this is one thing that was really important for me, and I realized that it was limiting my investigation, was something called time on station.
	And time on station is where you show up at an investigative site, you have maybe two to four hours of investigative time, not including setup time, and then you're gone.
	And that, to me, was the most inefficient way of investigating a site that you could come up with.
	What happens with the robot is your time on station increases to the duration that the robot is capable of performing.
	Like my, my robots are capable of going 24-7.
	And the reason they're capable of doing that is because they, it runs off of a battery and then it also runs, it can power itself with a, it has a solar array on top of a solar panel on top of it that it can charge itself with ambient light.
	Well, what if there is no ambient light?
	What if it's in an old house in some secret passageway?
	How much operational time do you have there?
	Well, this is typical how the program runs.
	It has enough power to last all night long, and during the daytime, when the power gets low, it seeks a light source.
	And it'll sit and park in the light source And recharge, and then continue its programming until I tell it to stop.
	It's making the decision to do that itself, right?
	Right, yes.
	It uses light sensors, it uses what I call sharp infrared sensors, and it also uses a photo sensor also to detect the light.
	And then it'll move and park in a particular location, like a It can even park under a light or a beam of sunlight coming through a curtain or any type of light source.
	It'll park there, recharge the battery up to 12 volts, it's a 12 volt battery, and then it will continue to run its mission.
	Now it has on it, it has an AMF meter, electromagnetic field meter, it has night vision cameras, it has audio, it has digital recorders, it has night vision, and it has everything that An investigator would walk around with.
	It has that, except it can stay 24-7.
	It doesn't get tired, and it only eats power to survive.
	So, it increased my time on station to, you know, 24 hours, and which also eliminated what I also call needle in a haystack investigations.
	And what that is, is you go out in the middle of the night, and you pray that you find something, even though you don't have the slightest clue when it's going to happen.
	And that is the worst way.
	That is so cool.
	Hold on, Doctor.
	We've got to take a break here.
	That is so cool.
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	Autonomous robots.
	Made from, you know, stuff at home.
	Old VCRs.
	Who knows?
	You could make an army of robots.
	There's so many old VCRs out there.
	these yards out there, right?
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	You know what I wonder?
	one eight five five seven three two five eight three six you know what i wonder
	i've got a wonder sure there there might be uh... argues for a robot in a
	paranormal investigation uh...
	And in fact, actually, it might be a very good use because when you involve human beings, you're involving everything.
	Emotion, mis-sensory input.
	That's a kind way of putting it, I guess.
	In other words, sensory input that is flawed, to be honest with you.
	That kind of thing.
	I wonder if that was part of the reasoning for creating robots for this purpose.
	What about it, Albert?
	Well, you hit the nail right on the head.
	Humans, even though we're awesome vehicles and amazing creations, we're limited.
	Just a simple thing like, if I were an investigator and I'm standing in a room, everything in front of me, and I have a camera in front of me, Everything in front of me I can take a picture of, but I'm missing what happens behind me.
	My robot can see 360 degrees all the time, and if anything moves, it's going to snap a picture of it or record an audio or an image of some sort.
	Humans, we can't do that.
	Okay, you're absolutely right.
	It's got a 360 degree sensory view.
	That's really cool.
	Okay.
	So what happens is the amount of data, and interesting data, not just blank screen, the amount of data that I collect increases tremendously.
	Where I actually start getting things and I don't end up having these needle in a haystack investigations where you spend hours walking around trying to find something you leave with nothing.
	Also some cases We would go to a location and spend the night.
	Well, when you sleep, you're losing investigative time.
	And the robot can sit there and just investigate constantly.
	Another thing is I'm working on, I just did a proposal to a foundation where I'm designing a robot that is capable of hunting for Bigfoot.
	And one of the things... Really?
	Now wait a minute, to hunt for Bigfoot, you're going to have to be out in the middle of the forest, you're going to have to be going over territory that... I can see night vision, that certainly would be effective, but my goodness, you're going to be in rough territory for a robot.
	The robot's going to be in rough territory, but this is the thing.
	All the shows that are investigations I've ever seen, they go there to the site They stay maybe at the most overnight to maybe a few days and they sleep in the tent and then they go running out at night to try to track down a sound or noise and then they come back and they pack up and leave.
	A robot can, the one I'm working on right now, is capable of climbing over fallen trees that are almost waist high because it has to be able to maneuver out in this wooded area by itself.
	And what it's capable of doing is that it's capable of, like my smaller robot, of charging during the day and hunting 24-7.
	So then it doesn't take 24 hours or even all day to charge.
	So while the human investigator is sleeping or just running around in one particular area, the Like a submarine, and really you mentioned Tom Clancy, and he was a huge reason that I put sonar sensors on my robot, is that the robot is capable of passive monitoring.
	It has active capability too, which means it sends out a signal, but it also has passive where it's capable of just listening or responding to some type of light source.
	So now it's sitting out in the middle of the forest by itself, Things are moving around and it's capable of moving toward that object by itself and investigating that object alone.
	Even if the robot is, let's say, the worst case scenario, even if it's destroyed by a Bigfoot or some kind of animal out there, we're still going to get incredible pictures leading up to that event.
	Sure.
	I mean, in most of our movies, you mentioned, you know, Well, some investigators, and I'll tell you, we seem like a brave lot, but some of us aren't so brave.
	The girl with the biggest bust gets dismembered quickly and then everybody goes home.
	Well, some investigators, and I'll tell you, we seem like a brave lot, but some of us aren't
	so brave.
	And I've actually had investigators scream and run away from a situation in the middle
	of a paranormal event or anomaly.
	So one of the things robots don't do is they don't run in terror and drop cameras and go
	screaming into the night.
	Such a good point, yes.
	So when did you start building paranormal investigative robots?
	I'd say about four years ago I started putting the two together and the first time I investigated a site with a robot The result was overwhelming.
	I just thought, oh my God, Eureka!
	Because it was capable of doing so much that I wasn't capable of doing before.
	Okay, well, I want to know, what have you investigated and what evidence have you uncovered with the robots?
	Well, recently, the more interesting one is a place out by the West Coast.
	It's a place called Dead House.
	And what that is, a number of people have gone to this house and investigated it, but one of the things that happened to one of my investigators, and this is something that I don't see a lot of people talking about, is my investigator was actually attacked physically by something unseen.
	Do you mean you're calling your investigator, you mean your robot?
	No, my human.
	You're a human?
	Okay.
	My human investigator, he was attacked and grabbed on his arm And it left this huge bruise on his forearm, which I sent you a picture of.
	And that wasn't the first time that something negative happened to one of my investigators.
	Another time, we were at this location in Canoga Park, where my investigator would walk into the room and the camera would fail.
	And she'd walk out of the room, and the camera would come back on, and she'd walk back in the room, trying to snap a picture, and in the process of that, all of a sudden, she grabbed her throat and said, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, scared all of us.
	We ushered her out into the living room, and it took her a little while to regroup and to recover from whatever was happening in there.
	That would not have happened with a robot, and that, when in the particular location at Dead House, I have to admit, I've been on maybe a hundred investigations, and I'm never affected in any way, shape, or form.
	But at this particular place, this was the first time that I ever got nauseous and suffered from severe abdominal cramps in this one particular room.
	When I would go in the room, I would get sick, and then when I'd go out and leave the room and go outside, I'd feel fine.
	So, because of these two things, my investigator being grabbed and bruised, And because of the physical illness that I felt, we sent in my Servo, my fully autonomous robot, who was capable of taking all kinds of readings and coming back with mapping the particular area and measuring all the electromagnetic spikes that were in the reading, in the room, and taking video footage of it.
	I've really got to ask you, I'm on my own website, artbell.com, looking at the pictures right now, These are some pretty doggone good-looking robots.
	I would swear, Robot 1 is R2-D2.
	It almost looks like R2-D2.
	Did you model it after that?
	Well, those particular three, the R2-D2, the B9 from Lost in Space, and the Wile E, are robots that are examples of what my robotic society, the type of expo that we put on.
	Those aren't my robotic Probes.
	The Servo is the one that was built from, it's like a Roomba.
	Servo 2.
	It says Servo 2 Investigative Robotic Vehicle Observer.
	Right.
	He's the Roomba on steroids.
	That's the one that is capable of autonomous investigation.
	The other one, which is, and one of the investigations I did was with a little girl.
	And she was having the glass, this was interesting, the glass in a picture It kept breaking at night, just shattering in the middle of the night.
	Nothing was thrown at it, it would just break, and we found glass bits and pieces all over the floor right below it.
	So what we did is I put Servo in the room with her, and it stayed in the room with her all night long, and it was capable of monitoring the room, and it picked up some audio sounds of something moving around.
	And it picked up a shadowy image by the window, which there was nothing out there.
	But the thing about it is, Servo, every time it would move to take a photo or something, it would wake her up and scare her.
	Because it doesn't look, you know, all that friendly.
	So that's why I created, designed and built Oscar.
	Which Oscar, you notice, is a little bit more colorful and a little more friendly.
	And it has six or seven facial expressions and is more interactive.
	And works better with children when I do investigative investigations with children.
	Yeah, if I was a kid, I would like Oscar much, much better.
	Yeah, they seem to like, Oscar is very popular.
	I can imagine.
	How long have you been doing this for?
	I mean, actively investigating?
	Well, because this is, I remember you asked me about this one time about moving into the paranormal And leaving the out-of-body experience arena, which is really, I haven't, because the out-of-body experiences that I've been having are paranormal in itself, and I started having encounters with deceitful relatives and things like that, and to me, that branched into me trying to bridge the two together, that they were related.
	So I would say that I've been investigating the paranormal Probably since 1997, at least.
	Straight on question, please.
	Do you believe ghosts are real?
	I don't like to use the word ghost.
	Usually I use anomaly, but there is an anomaly that is intelligent, that is capable of speaking languages, including English.
	That is capable of interacting with the physical world by touching and bruising us, scratching us.
	I've been witness to scratches.
	I want a straight on answer here.
	Don't be afraid of the word.
	If it was once a living being and it is now present in whatever form and noticeable to the physical world, we're going to call it a ghost.
	So, is it real or not?
	Are there really ghosts or not?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I don't understand them completely, but yes, the human consciousness survives the death of the physical body and it survives in different states.
	Some of the states are capable of interacting with the physical world.
	And actually, the cases I think are the more interesting ones are not when you get some nonsense EVP that says the window is open or the couch is brown or something like that.
	That to me is ridiculous and doesn't really go anywhere.
	The ones that I think are very interesting is when it's interactive, when you ask a question and it actually answers the question.
	And that's ones I've had where I was in this situation on the Queen Mary, and I asked, what is your name?
	And whatever it was answered, Johnny.
	So those are the ones I think are very, very interesting.
	Alright, before we go on, here's what I want to know.
	What produces a ghost?
	There are many people, Albert, who feel that an untimely death, a murder, a violent death, is more likely to produce a ghost than, I don't know, everyday passing away, if there is such a thing as everyday passing away.
	Do you think that is true?
	What have you learned?
	Well, I learned that that probably has very little to do with it.
	And what has more to do with producing a lingering conscious entity is the lack of awareness.
	And what I mean by that is the lack of awareness on what to expect when you do die.
	We condition ourselves to believe certain things here in the physical that are going to happen to us.
	But it's not necessarily true when you pass on on the other side.
	So that lack of awareness of what to really expect, and because there's no time, it keeps you in this limbo, so to speak.
	This lingering area where you may try to interact or move around in the physical locations that meant something to you emotionally.
	Do you think that a lot of those don't know they have passed on?
	That's exactly what I mean by the lack of awareness.
	Most don't realize it because there isn't a huge change as far as the way you feel.
	It's very similar.
	It may be more enlightened and you can become more aware, but it's really not a huge difference.
	If you look at all the stories of people having near-death experiences, they describe trying to walk around their houses, interact with the mailman, because they're not aware.
	I grew up in Catholic school.
	They never talked about Near-death experiences.
	So, if I, before I had all these experiences out of body, and before my investigations, I can honestly say, if I were to pass away before then, I would have been looking for Gabriel and all the things that I was taught that was going to happen to me.
	And that would keep me in a particular area for, because there's no time, for what we would call a haunting, and keep me there for two to three hundred years or more.
	But it's not permanent.
	Not permanent.
	I'm going to tell a ghost story, I guess, when Halloween comes.
	I've only got one.
	My big ghost story is not such a great ghost story, but it's the truth.
	When Ramona passed, my wife passed, I was finally alone in the house by myself.
	And let me tell you something, Albert.
	This is really amazing.
	I started getting cold.
	And I mean really, really cold.
	I couldn't sleep.
	I was awake all night.
	I was freezing.
	I actually went and got in a shower, turned the water on hot, or as hot as I could take it, and sat there in the shower and let it pour over me.
	And no matter what I did, I don't care what I did, I could not get warm.
	Moreover, Even though I didn't see a ghost, I didn't see Ramona, she was absolutely there and she was all around me.
	Her presence was... what's the right word?
	Overpowering that she was there.
	And this went on for some days, Albert, actually went on for some days.
	And it totally freaked me out.
	So I don't know what that was.
	But it lifted and eventually went away.
	But I mean, for sure, she was there.
	Well, maybe I can add a piece of the puzzle for you.
	Feel free.
	Well, what I've noticed is because I walk around and part of my gear is a laser temperature sensor and to measure different cold spots and things like that, or alleged cold spots, I should say.
	But one of the things I noticed is that we, Humans are capable of sensing things other than temperature.
	And in others, we're capable of sensing ions.
	And when ions move and collect in a certain area, what that movement, what that does is that gives us a feeling of cold or coolness.
	And it just so happens that paranormal anomalies, or ghosts, when they manifest themselves in particular areas, They draw in a lot of ions, start moving toward their area, wherever they are.
	So, that makes sense that you could not get warm because it wasn't a temperature reason why you were sensing the cold.
	When people sense cold, it's usually because of the ions moving, but it's still definitely something paranormal.
	Well, I would say it could have been shock, of course.
	I was in a kind of a shock, but It was way more than that, Albert.
	The sense of her presence was so overwhelming.
	And there are many religions that feel that when a person passes, that for at least a period of time, they do remain earthbound.
	And then eventually, after some days or weeks, they do move on.
	But typically three days.
	A lot of people talk about three days.
	Have you heard that?
	Well, Dr. Melvin Morris, I think he wrote a book a while back titled Parting Visions, and he talked about that period of time after a person passes away where they kind of visit and say goodbye to their loved ones, and that goes on maybe, you know, 72 to 48 hours or whatever.
	That is not a fixed thing.
	What happens, that I've noticed, And I just had my mother passed away almost two years ago and I had incredible experiences with her since and I haven't talked about with anybody yet.
	But what I noticed is that the more I thought about her and the more emotional I felt about her loss, the more that presence felt that I had of her being here and I know, I mean, just, I knew it, I was like... Well, see, alright, see, the people who would debunk this kind of thing would say, well, sure, the more you thought about her, the more of an effect there was, because you were manipulating, in essence, uh, we've got a break, your own brain, to bring that on.
	Albert Taylor is my guest.
	What a tale my thoughts could tell Just like an old time movie About a ghost from a wishing well In a castle dark Or a fortress strong With chains upon my feet You know that ghost is me Set free as long as I'm a ghost you can't see
	I'm not afraid of you.
	This is not a heart, it's never ending.
	This is not a heart, and it gives up all of the way.
	This is not a heart, it's not a heart, it's such a sin.
	Please let me over, can I get him?
	This is not a heart, it's never ending.
	This is not a heart, it gives up all of the way.
	This is not a heart, it's a wish that I just can't win.
	Please let me over, can I get him?
	I got a lot of those heartaches.
	I got a lot of those tear drops.
	Heartaches, tear drops, all of the way.
	Nothing but a heartache, everything.
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	How cool is it that we've got a guy here, Dr. Albert Taylor, who did stuff like work on the International Space Station,
	the F-117A, Star Wars, when that was cooking, and now, well, then he goes into the paranormal world,
	tells you how to leave your body, and then he sort of returns to what he was doing,
	and he builds robots to investigate paranormal stuff, like ghosts, which is what we're talking about right now.
	And to illustrate my point, uh, Dr. Taylor, as I was talking about that, I started getting cold.
	I think the brain does do that a little bit.
	I started getting cold, and I never turn the temperature up in here.
	I've got this wonderful air conditioner that will go anywhere I tell it to go, and usually I like it nice and cool in here.
	But I started getting too cold, just as I was talking about it.
	So, I had to turn the temperature up.
	So, proves my point, I think.
	Well, you touched on something that I think is very important to address.
	And just like when Galileo was talking, you know, up until Galileo, the church believed that the Sun and all the other planets revolved around the Earth.
	And Galileo made a mistake.
	He actually observed what is actually happening today, but he tried to describe that and let that influence spiritual and religious teachings, and that's what got him into trouble.
	So when you talk about your experience with Ramona, who I remember well, and I've talked to her many times and really had a wonderful time with her, and I talk about experiences with my mother, I think it's ethically important that a paranormal researcher should not try to invalidate your experience or try to invalidate mine.
	Also, on the same regard, I think it's important to realize that your experience and my experience is not data, and not to be presented as proof of any sort that the paranormal exists.
	That's something else that needs to be collected in a very systematic way.
	I would never in a million years present that as evidence of the paranormal.
	What I would say, though, is that what you're doing at least has a chance of coming up with hard evidence of the paranormal, and I wonder if you have yet.
	I mean, you know, you've been doing this for a while now.
	You go to haunted areas, I presume.
	You have to travel to do this, right?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I have data.
	I have pictures of things that I still can't explain, Art.
	For instance, in the Rialto home that I did, the 100-year-old, when we went back and set up a camera, what we did is there's a shot where it's a static camera, which also robots do very, very well.
	It's a shot of my investigators, maybe about five of us, Entering a doorway and then walking, you can see in the distance, through the doorway of us walking up a distant stairwell.
	And milliseconds after we go up the stairwell, this, and this shocked me, I had to, I think I've watched this maybe a thousand times, there is a transparent, partial humanoid figure from the waist up, you can see the arms, the part of the torso and a little bit of the head and the neck area, that moves through that area, through the doorway, following us.
	So, I don't know what that was.
	It shouldn't have been there.
	It appeared to be humanoid.
	It appeared to be moving on its own.
	And because it was following us, I'm thinking it was aware.
	This, to me, is the type of evidence or data that I would be definitely willing to present.
	But not to invalidate personal experiences.
	I think we're capable and that's what we're regarding the out-of-body experience.
	That's why I'm trying to bridge the two and remove barriers because I believe that the human body, the human consciousness, is capable of sensing what we call paranormal because I don't think it's really paranormal.
	I think it's normal because in our natural state we're not physical beings.
	I definitely believe that the human consciousness is capable of sensing these things, so I wouldn't want to invalidate it.
	I would use it as a tool to support something that would be a little bit more concrete and collected in a little bit more research manner.
	So, it's helpful, but it should not drive any particular investigation.
	Okay, you said you build these robots to some degree out of old VCRs, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	And I was wondering, what you could do is give me your address here on the air, and then we could request that everybody out there with an old VCR... You could make an army of robots.
	Yeah, that would make me real popular in my neighborhood, I'm sure.
	I can see your yard now piled high with these old VCRs.
	But I can see they would have some pretty good parts in them, actually, mechanical parts and otherwise, to build from.
	I can see the citation from the city right now.
	I can visualize it in the dollar sign behind me.
	But yeah, that's the thing about being a member of this club that I'm a member of, is that you don't realize, it's kind of a subculture, robot builders.
	And you don't realize what type of everyday technology that surrounds us that's in everyone's home right now that has multiple uses.
	The infrared sensor inside of a remote control, the infrared reader in a VCR, the motors that run the tape, all these little things can be used and adding in when you add Marry all these things to a microcontroller, a brain, that's capable of reading the data coming off of these sensors.
	What do you use for a brain?
	I'm curious.
	What do you use for the brain?
	Well, there's a thing that I fell in love with.
	It's called a Romeo Arduino.
	And basically, amateur robot builders use what's called an Arduino platform.
	It's an Arduino microcontroller.
	There are different aftermarkets and offshoots that have developed.
	They use all the same language, the Arduino language, which is C, and sometimes C++.
	But I found a particular microcontroller in England when I was there that is capable of doing amazing things.
	It does everything I want it to do, and that is the one that I put inside my robot, because what it's capable of doing Okay.
	You know, here's a question for you.
	all the type of data, recording all the data that I want, but it's actually capable of
	moving the robot in very, very detailed and precise areas that I want.
	And it's easily programmable and extremely powerful.
	So it's called a Romeo Arduino.
	Okay.
	You know, here's a question for you.
	I mean, I can understand when you were working on the International Space Station, the F-117
	or SDI, you were getting paid very well for high-level work.
	How does a soul traveler, robot investigating paranormal guy eat?
	Well, my books take care of my income as far as the soul traveler and things like that.
	But, it's just interesting, I just got through filming a sizzle reel for a show regarding the robots.
	So, there's interest and people are interested in what I do.
	And through all the things that I, and I just got back, I was in England lecturing, so all those type of, and I'm going to be lecturing again here shortly in Anaheim, so all those little things that I do kind of piece together and help me to continue what I do, and I love what I do.
	Oh, I bet you do.
	But as I mentioned, it's going to cost money.
	I mean, building robots costs money.
	Traveling to various haunted locations to deploy one's robots has got to be expensive.
	Well, I've been affiliated with several research facilities in the past for a long time, and they have spent, thank goodness, I'm so appreciative, They have spent a lot of money supporting my investigations since 1996, I'd say.
	So, they've helped out a tremendous amount.
	All right.
	Now, let's get back to Bigfoot for a second.
	Bigfoot is a hot topic everywhere.
	You said your robots would be capable of Bigfoot investigation.
	How would you deploy your robot to look for Bigfoot?
	Well, first of all, it would have a charging station that it could come back to.
	If they couldn't find the charging station, it would have a solar panel and sensors to detect light sources so they can go and sit just like my small robot does.
	Your robots never have a problem, do they?
	They know to go to the light.
	I haven't had a problem.
	The problem would only be the programmer.
	Me.
	I'm the one who comes up with... That was kind of a joke.
	They know to go to the light.
	They need it for their batteries, right?
	Yes.
	And anything I tell it to do in the program, I test it.
	I mean, a lot.
	I go do a lot of R&D on it.
	And only when I feel confident that it's capable of performing the function with the minimum amount of input, if sometimes none at all, only then do I place the robot in the field.
	And so far, every time I have placed the robot in the field, I have never had A failure and it's accomplished what I set out for it to do.
	But you can't just haphazardly do that.
	You have to.
	It's kind of like when you're cutting wood.
	They say measure twice, cut once.
	Well, when you're doing robotics and you're doing investigations, you have to go over it.
	It's just like when NASA launches probes to anywhere.
	That probe goes through testing that you would not believe.
	Well, it's such a fascinating idea.
	redundancy just in case something fails.
	So you try to come up with any possible contingency and situation that you would have to adapt
	to and incorporate that into the design and the programming so that it can accomplish
	its mission.
	And so far, I've been pretty successful at that.
	Well, it's such a fascinating idea.
	I mean, your robots will go, I guess, where humans probably don't want to go in terms
	of paranormal investigation.
	And moreover, they will catch things that humans won't catch.
	They have a 360 degree look around and they can take a picture I guess instantly in any direction they want to.
	It really is a fabulous idea.
	Have you caught a full-on entity yet?
	Well, let me just address the Bigfoot thing, just to put a capper on that here.
	Or Bigfoot!
	The thing about robotics versus humans is that I really believe, and I told this to my producers, I really believe if you give me enough time, I'm going to find something.
	Because there's not going to be a downtime.
	So I believe it's going to move in the direction, even if, let's say, The Bigfoot or whatever we want to call this thing, it's sleeping or it finds a little cave at night.
	Well, my robot is going to eventually find that cave.
	It's going to move.
	Every time it moves, it moves closer and closer to it.
	It's picking it up different sensors and motion and things like that.
	And it's eventually going to narrow down the space and find wherever this source is.
	So you're telling me your robot could track a Bigfoot into a cave?
	It can track it.
	And as a matter of fact, The design that I have, and it's the same program, it's a modified program, I use it on Servo.
	Servo is capable of finding doorways, under tables, it's capable of finding a lot of things, because it uses infrared technology to measure its environment, and it calculates where an opening is, and it makes the changes to move in that direction.
	So it's really not that hard as far as physically.
	The real key is making sure that the program can adapt and that you have the right sensors on to accomplish whatever the task is.
	So yeah, definitely.
	All right.
	I've got a gal here who sent a message through the wormhole, I guess, because she got frustrated.
	She cannot find your photographs.
	Come on, folks.
	If you can get to the point where you can send me a message, that means you're on Artbell.com.
	Once you're on Artbell.com, just look for the name.
	We've got guest names up there.
	One of them is Albert Taylor.
	Click on that.
	Click on Albert Taylor's name.
	And then you'll get the robot pictures.
	And I understand it's frustrating if you're on a website and you can't find something, but it's really not that hard.
	Please just do that.
	And then I see you with a picture of a robotic Helicopter.
	Right.
	Yeah, that's my latest one.
	It's the Condor.
	I found a microcontroller that is capable of measuring in three different planes, dimensions, and it has, I haven't put it on yet, but it has different types of cameras.
	One of the things I want to use, because there's a lot of investigations I do on the ground, but I'm approached, I've been approached, By people who want me to investigate UFOs.
	I've even spoken at MUFON.
	Well, this helicopter, I want to specify, if you haven't seen it, if you're not looking at the photographs, this is not a toy helicopter.
	Well, it is, but I mean, it's a big helicopter.
	You're a big guy, and so it gives me a reference for the size of this helicopter, and it's pretty doggone big.
	Yeah, yeah, and it's capable of traveling at 80 miles an hour.
	Wow!
	The blade tips have been tracked at 200 miles an hour.
	So it's dangerous.
	It's capable of literally cutting off your head.
	The blade tips are made of fiberglass.
	So it has to be respected just like you would respect any type of flying vehicle.
	Wow!
	And this helicopter is going to be used For UFO investigations and I guess paranormal as well, is it noisy?
	Is it quiet?
	What?
	It's so quiet.
	What I do is I take it for a walk down the street, literally.
	So it's hovering out in front of me, walking in front of me.
	I take it for a walk like I would walk my dog.
	It's very quiet.
	Very quiet.
	Very quiet.
	And it is the most amazing thing.
	I've flown it off the cliff at Leo Carrillo Beach and over the waves and it's just an amazing, amazing vehicle.
	But the thing that I want to use it for is I got approached by a UFO phenomenon or sighting that happened in Northern California that I want to use it for that particular area to trace the path of the vehicle that was photographed And see if I can measure some type of readings and things like that from the elevation that it was spotted at.
	You know, it seems to me, Albert, that you would be lucky if you didn't cause UFO reports with that thing.
	Right?
	You know, people, unidentified is the key word, right?
	If we don't know what it is, I remember when I was working on the stealth fighter, and people would get glimpses of it, and this was before the Air Force even acknowledged it, Well, here's something I want to ask you about.
	UFO sighting. So, something that people, they don't necessarily understand doesn't mean
	that it's necessarily extraterrestrial.
	Well, here's something I want to ask you about. There was a story recently of, I guess it
	was a grandma in her house, right? And I think it was the police or one of the alphabet agencies,
	I'm not sure, but they were flying a helicopter drone and this was outside this lady's house
	and she totally freaked out and she went and got her 20 gauge and just blew this thing
	with birdshot right out of the sky.
	Wow.
	Frankly, if you saw something like that hovering outside your window, that might be your first inclination.
	This is something awful and I'm going to dispatch it.
	I would say that, um, I don't know about other than, you know, I've used it in California extensively and most people who see it immediately know what it is.
	And kids, as a matter of fact, it's just the opposite.
	I haven't had people afraid of it.
	I've had them Forget how dangerous it is, and had them walk up on it and get too close.
	I haven't really had any... So that to me, in my experience, has been more of a threat where people would, you know, and especially children, go running up on it rather than be terrified, because helicopters... I first started flying radio-controlled helicopters, God, maybe 30 years ago, maybe even more.
	I was in the military when I first got my first radio-controlled helicopter, and that was in the late 70s.
	So, they've been around for a very, very, very long time.
	They've just gotten better and smarter and are capable of doing things that a lot of helicopters aren't capable of doing.
	Like the one that I'm holding is capable of flying inverted, upside down, and doing loops.
	Oh my, you're kidding.
	I didn't know any helicopter could do that.
	Yeah, it's capable of hovering upside down and doing loops.
	So, it's capable of doing things.
	Yeah, I thought people said loops were impossible.
	That it was an urban legend of some kind.
	Well, there are two helicopters that are capable of doing that right now.
	One of them is ours.
	One is foreign.
	The Apache Longbow is capable of doing rolls and loops.
	So, we do have a helicopter that is capable of doing that.
	And how it works is that when it goes upside down, the prop blades invert.
	They change the pitch.
	So, you're no longer pushing downwards.
	I understand.
	So, I've got it.
	All right.
	But it can be done?
	Yes.
	It wouldn't make any sense otherwise, so thank you for explaining that.
	And believe me, I've crashed a lot of helicopters learning that process.
	I've seen advertisements for the, you know, the newer helicopters you can buy for not that much money anymore, and they're amazing.
	I mean, they can be hovering in front of you, and you can take your hand and push them away, and the GPS in them will return them slowly right to where they were.
	Right.
	The one that, um, the Condor that I'm holding, it has a auto gyro inside of it that it actually stabilizes itself.
	And you can put different types of other sensors in it that is capable of doing that.
	But the little helicopter, the little toys, which is really interesting because when I first got into this, they didn't exist.
	So they've really, I mean, almost any seven-year-old can fly some of these helicopters now.
	But the thing is, is that you've got to remember that that helicopter I'm holding has a one-horsepower engine.
	And it's capable of developing an amazing amount of power and torque.
	And it really isn't a toy, it's maybe an adult toy, but it's really something you want to run around somewhere else.
	No, I can clearly see that.
	All right, hold tight, Dr. Taylor.
	Dr. Albert Taylor is my guest.
	from nasa uh... to uh... defense work
	space station soul traveling
	and now helicopters and robots
	the the
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	me. Imaginary love.
	From the area of 51, this is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To join the show, please call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	Okay, I'm not sure what we're dealing with here, but I'm getting a lot of wormhole messages like this.
	Let me read them.
	Um, sorry Art, finding on your photos, finding photos on your website is ridiculous.
	Lady couldn't find photos is not alone.
	Or, I had to search Taylor in the search bar to find a bio with pics.
	He's not in the guest list.
	Huh.
	And here's another one.
	Guests and show information should be listed in order of the newest show first.
	Albert is listed on page two.
	Which doesn't exactly load.
	As much information has been added, the site is becoming more cluttered.
	Love the show.
	Love the show.
	All right, well, you know, this is something we've got to work out like everything else.
	Kind of like our stereo, I guess.
	Listen, here's what you should do.
	Get hold of webmaster at artbell.com.
	That's his email address.
	Webmaster at artbell.com.
	So, if you're having trouble Tell them what platform you're using.
	I mean, we live in a different day and age.
	Not just computers anymore, but iPads, iPhones, various cell phones, all kinds of different platforms.
	So maybe, maybe your platform is not seeing things the way mine is.
	I don't know of any other way to put it.
	I'm not sure why you're having trouble.
	I certainly don't have trouble here, but I'm getting enough of these messages that obviously something's going on.
	So send a message off to webmaster at artbell.com and tell them what you're using and why you had trouble and we'll go from there and try and figure this out because obviously we need to.
	Albert, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	What I'd like to do is tell my My board op, Evan, back there in Washington, D.C., to clear the lines.
	What we're going to do is open the lines and sort of start a slow but sure conversation with the audience and allow them to call in.
	If that's okay with you, Albert?
	Sounds great.
	It's one of my favorite things to do.
	All right, good.
	And your questions can be anywhere in what we've talked about, you know, from soul traveling to leaving your body to Uh, his robots, what he's found, whether you, you know, whatever, any of this is fair game.
	And the number is 855-REAL-UFO.
	That's a toll free number, 855-REAL-UFO or 855-732-5836.
	that's a toll-free number eight five five real ufo or eight five five seven three two
	five eight three six
	where were we uh...
	i guess uh... with the we've left off at the uh...
	helicopter uh... and again you must have expended a tremendous amount
	of money to to do that i don't think so
	It really must have been very costly, huh?
	One of the things I've learned... I'm sorry for laughing.
	That's alright.
	What's so funny?
	One of the things I've learned, Art, is that you don't count the dollars when you do something like this.
	Because you will always, you will always say, I could have done this, I could have done that.
	You never ever do that.
	No, I don't.
	I don't do that.
	I try to accomplish the task at hand in a reasonable manner, and I think the fact that I build stuff out of things that people throw away is a huge cost savings.
	It is, but I don't see a VCR in that helicopter.
	Maybe there is one somewhere.
	Well, you know, The thing about it is, this is more than just a hobby to me.
	This is something, I'm really, to me it's a form of self-discovery.
	And all these little pieces of this puzzle that I call the nature of human consciousness, those things are, I can't think of anything more important than that.
	And the closer I've gotten to discovering what the nature of human consciousness is, The more exciting and cost-effective I think it becomes.
	I think that if I can discover something profound about our existence, like the relationship between astral substance and dark matter, for instance, If I can discover something like that, and I've spent a few pennies on a helicopter and a few other things, to something that's going to change the nature of consciousness globally, then it was money well spent.
	Alright, well I'm going to frustrate the hell out of everybody now, because the last photograph in the series of photographs, which are really cool ones, Uh, is really an awesome picture, and folks, what it is, is a picture of a UFO.
	And, um, I don't know where this was taken.
	Well, actually, I have an idea, because I've seen those, uh, uh, windmills before.
	Um, in California, I would guess, uh, probably up near the Bay Area somewhere.
	That's just a guess.
	Let me give you a little back history on that a little bit so you can see how come I'm so impressed with it.
	Well, basically, I received that from an individual that I've known probably since I was 14 years old.
	He is the reason that I joined the United States Air Force.
	Yeah, if he hadn't been around, I went down there to the recruiter with him, for him to join, and I ended up joining.
	That particular thing changed my life as I ended up being a crew chief on the U-2.
	He and I, when I got out of the Air Force, we began, we worked together on the B-1B at Rockwell International, which is a defunct company now, it's gone.
	And I've known this individual for a very, very long time.
	He has been an aerospace engineer, like myself, And so, earlier this year, I was contacted by this individual, and he stated that he and his wife were on their way to San Francisco, and it's up there by where the I-5 goes towards San Francisco, and another highway goes towards Stockton.
	Right, right.
	Right.
	So where he was driving and all of a sudden he said he couldn't believe it.
	He was shocked.
	And he saw that vehicle in the air moving slowly across the windmill, the power windmill area out there.
	And if anybody's ever driven out there, it's a huge, huge farm of gigantic windmills that generate power for the local areas.
	He said he pulled over to the side of the road and snapped that picture.
	So, I've seen a lot of UFO pictures, as have you, and usually they're very old, or they're getting very old, and there aren't a lot of new things that you see.
	And because this was only a few months old, like earlier this year, and I've known this individual from 15 years old, it adds a lot of credibility.
	It's so totally a saucer.
	It's a saucer.
	Adds a lot of credibility.
	He was a crew chief on the B-52.
	So I know he knows aerospace.
	You know, there's no doubt in my mind.
	He was also responsible for some programs on the B-1.
	So I know he wouldn't jump to conclusions when seeing something like that or testifying as he has and shared with me about what he saw.
	So he and his wife couldn't believe that the traffic, people kept going, I guess, When you're on the freeway, you don't look up in the sky as often.
	He couldn't believe that people kept going.
	And he said it didn't make any sound.
	It moved slowly over the windmills and eventually into the clouds and accelerated and moved away.
	Now, what I think is interesting about this is that, first of all, that it's current.
	That it happened in California, which is not too far from where I am.
	And that it happened not too far from Vandenberg, because Vandenberg Air Force Base is up that way.
	And it happened around a power source, something generating power.
	So all of that together is something, and that's why I'm going to use the Condor to retrace the steps, the flight pattern of the UFO.
	And if you look at it, I blew that picture up.
	It's quite amazing.
	It is what it is.
	It is what it is.
	Yeah, it is what it is.
	As a matter of fact, when I have shown it to very few people, and that means very few, I can count them on two fingers, I don't have to tell them what it is.
	All you have to do is look at it.
	No, of course not.
	It is what it is.
	Alright, that's going to get people really frantic trying to get to the right place on the website, but it is a recent saucer.
	Photograph.
	And it's framed by these wind jennies, these monster wind jennies in California, so you can decide its size for yourself.
	Of course, you can't know exactly the distance from that object, but it's a good, you know, it's a very good photograph.
	You are on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Meg Roswell.
	Thank you.
	It's glad to have you back on.
	I just wanted to ask, in all the astral travels that you did or out-of-body experiences, did you ever have an encounter with your mother ever again?
	Yes.
	Yes, I have.
	Several times.
	Several times?
	Yeah, I don't really want to go into too much detail of that.
	Extremely emotional.
	But yes, and I was wondering if that was going to happen because I have out-of-body experiences.
	And definitely, it definitely did, but it helped me with the healing process.
	Awesome.
	Totally awesome.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Let me ask this.
	Can you... It's a sensitive question.
	I mean, if you wanted to, are you now to the point, Dr. Taylor, where you can actually Cause yourself to go to a specific purpose.
	In other words, if you want to meet your mother, you can somehow do it.
	Well, one of the things I learned a long time ago is that I can go anywhere or interact with almost anyone if I have an emotional connection with them.
	So, because of my connection with my mother, definitely To go visit the Bahamas, probably not because you don't know the things you don't care about unless you have some emotional connection.
	So definitely with my deceased loved ones, they came to me first.
	I didn't believe in them, they came to me first, but definitely capable of interacting with the deceased loved ones.
	And it's extremely important.
	I would like to ask this, Dr. Taylor.
	What do you now understand about the nature of death?
	Well, it's, you know, I've been thinking about this a long time.
	And you know, and we've discussed this on many occasions.
	And as the more I look into it, the more experiences I have astrally or out of body, the more questions
	I have.
	One of the things that I truly have discovered and accept and understand is that we go on forever.
	We have existed Long before this planet existed, and we will exist long thereafter.
	And you've got to think about this, is that in the paranormal community and metaphysical communities, generally, when I first started looking into this and trying to discover what was happening to me, most people were only looking into the last 100 to 200 to 500 years of human existence, trying to answer the question of, what is the paranormal and what are ghosts?
	And that didn't make any sense to me.
	It didn't make any sense to me because of the nature of the planet Earth.
	The planet Earth has been here for what, 3.5 billion years approximately?
	The universe has been here for 13.5 billion years approximately.
	Now what's interesting is that Before Earth, you know, little things like, for instance, gold.
	Everybody has gold, but do you ever think about where gold comes from?
	Gold was not made on Earth.
	It didn't originate on Earth.
	It was created in the last dying thralls of a star, of an exploding star, a star that went supernova.
	So, before Earth was here, there were molecules that ended up forming the Earth, and then eventually, scientists talk about Amino acids that pooled in a pool somewhere that collided into each other and eventually, somehow, the spark of life started and evolved to eventually humanoid people like us.
	But you've got to think about that.
	Okay, that's one physical, mechanical aspect of the nature of human existence.
	But, if we exist outside of the body through the out-of-body experiences and all the near-death testimonials, and because of the reincarnational experiences, memories that I eventually started having too.
	So if we existed prior to us being here now, and the Earth didn't exist until it formed 3.5 billion years ago, then we existed a lot longer than that, and we came to this planet to To be incorporated or to, what is the word I'm trying to say, to merge with a humanoid organism of some sort to have an earthly experience here of approximately 80 years and then move on.
	So if we've existed before the earth, then why did we come here and what is really going on During the earth life experience.
	Alright, alright.
	Let me ask this.
	I can't think of any other way to put it.
	With your understanding of the nature of death or life after death or an existence after death, would you agree or not that we continue to have a contemporary consciousness after death?
	Definitely.
	Definitely.
	And the reason for that is not only from my personal experiences as far as out of body experiences, But in my paranormal investigative experiences where I can get something that is non-physical to interact with me and actually answer questions.
	So, definitely we do.
	At what state we do, I'm really puzzled and trying to understand because sometimes when you collect EVPs and you've heard them, they make no sense.
	It sounds like, you know... That's right, gibberish.
	Yeah, gibberish.
	But... Okay, go ahead, finish.
	But, there are some rare occasions where you collect an EVP that is not played like a recording, but is actually responding to a question that you ask, and that right there should be enough to make you curious about what is going to happen to you after you pass, and will you be able to do that?
	I agree.
	The people who do EVPs all the time say it's very rare.
	A contemporary response, and perhaps even a conversation, is extremely rare, but it does happen.
	All right, back to the phones.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Just fine.
	Yeah, Art, this is Bill in the high desert in Southern California.
	I have a question for Dr. Taylor, please.
	Hi, Bill.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, Dr. Taylor, I talked to you in the past when you were on our show before, and I have a question about a statement you made.
	You talked about ions giving you a cold feeling in one of your tests, and the thing is, negative ion generators are quite popular as air purifiers.
	They purify the air down to point something microns, and I have them in every room in my house, but I don't get any cold feeling out of them.
	Are they just negative ions?
	I don't think ions are positive, are they?
	Well, there are negative and positive ions and that's still research that we're still conducting because we have to have an individual set up a situation and then Maybe use something like a Van de Graaff generator or something like that to try to stir up the ions in the area and see which ions would affect the individual.
	But this is just a report that I've gotten from people that are talking about that is because what I noticed is that when a person on my team has said they feel cold, And when I use the laser temperature sensor, there's no physical temperature difference.
	So that's where we have to look into other types of molecules, ions, and things like that that are in our atmosphere that may be affected by the paranormal occurrence.
	And then see if that has anything to do with it.
	So it's still an area of study and we're still trying to figure it out and understand it.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Yeah, I wondered about that because I haven't felt any cold Well, I just want to address one more thing.
	The thing about feeling cold, none of these little indicators or red flags happen all the time in every situation.
	Well I just want to address one more thing. The thing about feeling cold, it doesn't, none of these little indicators
	or red flags happen all the time in every situation. You may have a situation where the feeling of cold exists and
	then it may never happen again.
	So, it's just like, if I'm coming into a room, I may not touch the same object every time.
	I may do different things, and that's what you've got to think about happens in the paranormal.
	It's not general.
	A lot of times, they're not going to be repeating the same things that they repeat over and over again.
	Yeah, I understand.
	It doesn't have to be negative ions generating the cold.
	It could be other things, too.
	Right.
	I really appreciate your show.
	I liked you before.
	I like you now.
	And I'm glad you're back on.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Take care.
	And when I say cold, I mean the most profound kind of you can't get rid of it with hot water pouring over your head kind of cold.
	It was unbelievable.
	I've never felt anything like that in my whole life.
	And it didn't matter what I did.
	There was no way to get warm.
	It was paranormal.
	It was so overwhelming.
	Unless it can be explained in some kind of shock or something, I'm telling you, it was just astounding.
	Think about this.
	It was designed to get your attention.
	If you could get in the shower and then warm up, it would be no big deal.
	You'd forget all about it.
	But the fact that it didn't happen that way, it was designed to get your attention, and now you're still talking about it.
	Yeah, well, it sure as heck got my attention.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello?
	Yeah, uh, Art Mega Roswells.
	Thank you.
	You've been a companion in my truck for a really long time, and it's good to hear you again.
	Hey, I'm curious, how did you find us here on XM?
	Serious XM.
	Well, I first heard you, obviously, on AM radio.
	And then I was one of the first to get an XM radio.
	And the reason why I chose that was that I could hear you without searching channels once I drove away from the signal.
	Yep, that's pretty cool, isn't it?
	It is, it's amazing.
	Alright, anyway, go ahead, I just was curious.
	Yeah, I have a pretty basic, simple question.
	I like tinkering with electronics.
	Not that I'm really good at it, but I can fiddle with things until I blow something up.
	A lot of times when there's a haunting site, you hear people talking about the camera's battery went dead and circumstances like that.
	Obviously that doesn't affect your robots.
	Or does it?
	That's a very good question.
	It hasn't yet.
	It could.
	But it hasn't yet.
	So possibly there's something about the power source or the design of your robots that is not affected the way a camera would be?
	Well, like I said just a few minutes ago, not everything happens every time.
	So, because I would get battery failures in one particular investigation, I could come back the next day and it wouldn't happen.
	So, so far, because I have two power sources, it has a battery and it also charges All right.
	Thank you very much.
	So far, the two of those have kept the charge at peak.
	But you never know, it could happen.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	You know, a lot of times in paranormal stories that we've seen, there are reports of very
	large electromagnetic fields associated with an appearance or with a happening of some
	kind or another.
	And one can imagine that it would affect batteries or things electronic.
	So I would think that would be a concern.
	Have you had any instances where it did affect your robots?
	No, not so far.
	I've had it affect cameras, my EMF meters.
	Things like that, but to date, I have never had a robot fail during an investigation so far.
	One of the things that I do is, like I said, my camera doesn't have a backup power source, and my robots do.
	So, I don't know.
	I'm not going to say it couldn't happen.
	I can just say that I don't worry about it because Eight out of ten times, it hasn't happened, so it's not something I would think that has a high probability of occurring.
	You know, it's a good thing that you put these photographs up here, because if you had described what you have in photographs up here, frankly, I wouldn't have believed you.
	You know, I mean, these are just amazing.
	You're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Seeing is believing, Art.
	Yeah, we have someone on the line.
	They're not talking.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Can you hear me now?
	We hear you.
	All right.
	My name's George, and I had an experience about four years ago, this past September 23rd.
	I had a heart attack, and luckily I lived nine minutes from one of the two top heart hospitals in the United States.
	They took me straight there.
	And I had a 96% blockage, and I remember being on the gurney, going to the operating room to operate, and that's the last I remember there until I remember all of a sudden it going from a darkness to almost like the sun coming up in the morning, getting bright white and just continually getting white.
	And then I saw these, like, oblong, white, cylindrical deals that were, like, standing up, and I heard three voices.
	And I distinctively knew all three voices.
	One was my father, who died in 1985.
	My adoptive father that raised me.
	I was adopted when I was a year and a half old.
	So he was the only father I knew.
	The second voice I heard was The minister from the Christian Church where I grew up, that we were family friends with, he had died three years prior to that.
	The other voice I heard was a guy who lived in California who was like my best friend, and most people thought we were brothers, who had killed himself a year before that.
	And they all were telling me, it's not your time, we're fine, stay, your family needs you.
	And the next thing I knew was, It was the next day I was waking up in the hospital in my room, and I don't know how to accept that.
	I would say face value.
	I don't know where these voices came from, but like I said, I distinctively knew all three voices.
	I would just accept it at face value.
	It is what it was.
	Those people were there.
	That's remarkable.
	Well, you know, and there are so many stories like that, it's just remarkable.
	Oh, it totally is.
	And the thing about, he said you're having trouble processing it.
	One of the things I want to tell you and share with you is that, first of all, realize that you are not alone.
	This didn't just happen to you, so you're in no way a victim or anything negative in any way, shape, or form.
	There is, like I mentioned earlier, eight million people in the United States alone
	who have had near-death experiences.
	And throughout every state, there are groups of people who band together to support each other
	because they have no one else to talk to.
	No one else can understand or realize exactly what you've seen and what you've experienced
	and the lasting emotional impact it has had on you.
	So one of the things I do suggest is that if you're open to it,
	is to seek out one of these groups, the International Association of Near-Death Studies,
	INS is one of them, there are probably others, to seek out one of these groups and share your story.
	And what will happen is.
	As you listen to the stories of the other individuals who had experiences, they will start filling in the pieces of the puzzle to your own story and your own experience.
	So that is one of the things I think is very, very important is to seek some type of a support group.
	Alright, we're going to take a break here.
	I think it would change your life so profoundly to have such an experience and your life from that moment on, once you had seen The other side.
	Once you really knew that the other side was real, there would be such a profound change in the way you would live your life.
	The way you'd look at your own mortality.
	The way you'd look at the world.
	All of it would change.
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	I can feel it coming in the air tonight.
	Oh, Lord.
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	Listen, all these messages we're getting about it's hard to find, or we can't find, Keith Rowland, my webmaster, my diligent webmaster, is working on it.
	And it is true that it's quite a complicated thing to put together a website That's easy for everybody because there's so many different platforms now.
	There are people on iPads and these kinds of pads and those pads and computers and cell phones and yeah yeah yeah it's hard but he's working on it so it's not like we don't hear you.
	Those of you complaining it's hard to find Dr. Taylor.
	It's hard to find the photographs.
	Trust me we feel you.
	We're working on it.
	Dr. Taylor welcome back.
	Thank you very much.
	A lot of people want to talk to you.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Fine, sir.
	Out of curiosity, where are you?
	I'm in Toronto, Canada.
	Toronto, Canada.
	And how did you find us?
	Well, I listened to your show before Dark Matter, and George mentioned that you were actually having a new show on, so I went to your website.
	And I found out that you were on SiriusXM, and I signed up.
	Thank you, George.
	Awesome.
	All right, so what do you have for Dr. Taylor?
	I have two questions, actually.
	The first one is regarding those robot studies building, to make all these measurements for paranormal activity, Bigfoot, so forth and so on.
	All these robots, they're great.
	They make measurements, but I think you're missing out on the human factor, like subjective versus objective observations.
	Because you mentioned that when you went into the room, you had cramps or arts experience with the coldness.
	You don't get that from a robot.
	You don't get that from the measurements themselves.
	So do you work in conjunction with the robots, or do you just rely on the robots for the measurements?
	Well, the robots are just another tool.
	So, definitely, I have a team of humans, organics, carbon life forms, that basically, they do the investigation to their limitations, and then beyond the limitations, the robots can take over.
	Alright, look, I've got something I want to have here.
	Does that answer your question, sir?
	Yes, it does.
	Thank you.
	Okay, here it is.
	Look, it may well be that if there had been a robot anywhere near me in my house when I experienced all of this, the robot may not have detected or may have detected something.
	I don't know.
	But I know that I have to consider it within reason that I was totally in some state of shock that I was unable to recover from no matter what.
	And it was not paranormal at all.
	I absolutely consider that.
	So, for that reason, I can see why having both, as you put it, carbon-based life forms and robots present is really a gigantic advantage.
	Well, think about it, Art.
	If you're going to go, let's say, visit Egypt, okay?
	You're going to take as many cameras and recording devices as you possibly can To try to capture the moment, because you don't know when you'll be back.
	The same thing with the paranormal.
	If you don't do that, the chances of you retrieving data becomes less and less and less, and can even become a wasted trip.
	So to try to avoid that, what I notice is that we humans are limited, and that There was a big window of time that I wanted to collect data during that I wasn't capable of that the added tool of an autonomous robot and autonomous is important because I may be asleep and it may need to act on its own.
	The incorporation of an autonomous robot opened that time on station to 24 hours.
	So I have 24 hours of recording where I may have only had four hours.
	Oh no, it so makes sense.
	Here's a message that comes from the wormhole.
	Dr. Taylor, if your Bigfoot robot falls over or has a problem in the forest, does it send out a radio distress locator signal or does it just start screaming, Dr. Taylor!
	Dr. Taylor!
	Help!
	Well, first of all, it's not bipedal.
	It's not bipedal.
	It doesn't walk on two legs.
	It has a tripod gear set up so it can't tip over.
	Even if it tips over, you can flip it completely upside down and it can still run upside down.
	The thing about it is you design the bot to survive the environment.
	You try to take into consideration everything it could possibly run into.
	You can only go so far, but you try to design that into it.
	And so far, the bot is capable of climbing over fallen trees in case it runs up on that.
	If it runs into shallow ponds, it's suspended high enough above the ground that the electronics doesn't get wet.
	And it's waterproof, so it's capable of enduring rainstorms and things like that.
	So these are the things that I've incorporated into the design that all my robots, they all can't do the same job.
	So some of them, I have no other robot that will be capable of doing that except for the one that I'm working on now.
	The other robots are like indoor robots or something like that.
	So hopefully I will, as an engineer, which I think if it's good enough for NASA, it might be good enough for Paranormal Investigation, Hopefully as an engineer I've thought about a lot of things and I've designed it to the best of my ability to perform an outstanding job.
	You know what?
	Your robots are so good that I think the Defense Intelligence people are liable to come back and see you again so then you'll be full circle, huh?
	I don't mind being involved in the Department of Defense to some degree.
	I left that area because I didn't want to be involved in The weapons aspect of things, but as far as information, I'm more than happy to get involved in that based on my past experience and my current experience.
	Okay.
	Hello there.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello, Dr. Taylor.
	Art, first, it is good to have you back.
	I am driving late at night out here in the North Dakota Bakken oil fields, and it definitely helps keep me awake.
	Wow.
	So are you in like a truck hauling oil?
	I've done multiple things out here.
	I've hauled fluids.
	Now I actually just haul tools out to the rig sites and back and forth between rig sites and vendors.
	Can I ask you one quick question?
	Yes.
	They're saying that that North Dakota oil may be as big as what's in Saudi Arabia.
	Is that true?
	Well, what I keep reading in the local papers are that it just keeps, yeah, keeps on coming, keeps on coming.
	As a matter of fact, a little segue, I was up in Canada here a few weeks ago, and I talked to an oil guy who was up there in the Edmonton oil field, that they're, you know, talking about the oil fans, and he says they've got 150 years worth of oil up there, too.
	I don't know if he meant worldwide demand or what, but there is a tremendous amount of oil.
	And I guess if I could plug the oil field out here, there are a lot of jobs, they pay well, and I know the country is hurting.
	There's nothing to come out here and make $60,000 to $100,000, but you have to have your housing in place.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	I don't want to take Dr. Taylor's time, but we'll talk more about that.
	Do you have a question for me?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, Dr. Taylor, you mentioned earlier, when you mentioned the out-of-body experience, it kind of reminded me of when I was a teenager, my uncle was starting to get into, I think he called it ESP.
	And I just remember a story he had mentioned one time where he was sitting, relaxing, trying to relax, trying to get into, I suppose, his meditative state you were speaking of.
	And he said he was home alone sitting in his chair and he was thinking, geez, I would like to be in bed.
	And so he got up out of his chair and walked into his bedroom and then got the hell scared out of him because he said he saw himself laying in bed.
	Right.
	And all of a sudden this figure, you know, and it shocked him.
	And all of a sudden his figure rose out of bed and he said it's just like somebody hit him with a full body slam.
	And it surprised him.
	I just wanted your comments on that just because that was so many years ago and you bring it up just kind of reminded me of him describing that.
	I don't know if he pursued it anything and any further after that but anyhow I just really relate that story to you and let you comment on that.
	Well that's an awesome story and it's I hate to say the usual term atypical but a lot of people that when I mentioned earlier even through the death process and the out-of-body experience process Once you find yourself out of your body, it doesn't feel all that abnormal.
	As a matter of fact, it feels very normal.
	So the fact that he rose from his body and was walking around thinking that he was physical makes a lot of good sense because you don't know until you try to do something that the physical body can't do like fly or move through a wall or something like that.
	So there's been and that's a wonderful indication that you're having out of my experiences.
	I tell people if you wake up twice, If you wake up once and you think you're awake and then you realize you weren't and you wake up again, that's a great indication that you're capable of having out-of-body experiences and you should explore it to the fullest.
	So, Dr. Taylor, after I pass, my back is going to be better?
	Yeah, you know what?
	Your back is going to be...
	I'd say better than better.
	It's going to be non-existent.
	You're not going to have any back problems.
	I'm not sure I was striving for non-existent.
	Well, it brings up a good point.
	When you die, Mike, you're going to know the answer to all this, but I want to ask at least.
	As we're living now, we have a sense of our body, and I'm not speaking of my bad back now, but we have a sense of ourselves, the physical sense of ourselves.
	So is that gone right away, or does it sort of fade away after one passes, or do you immediately go to a mental existence only?
	Well, one of the things that's interesting about that is that everyone I've ever spoken to, even the elderly that have had near-death experiences and even the young, I've heard children talk about their near-death experiences, is the one thing that it seems to be common is that there is a mid-state of aging, maybe around 30 to 40 where we always stay, no matter what your physical condition is.
	And what I mean by that is if you, let's say you had a physical abnormality that caused you to be very aware of it 100% of the time while you were awake.
	Well, when you're laying down in your bed and you're asleep or half asleep, all that seems to slip away and that state of consciousness that you're aware of I used to talk to my mom about this because she was like, she's a 90.
	She said, I'm 90, but I feel like I'm in my 40s.
	Well, one of the, that, that, that state is permanent.
	There seems to be fairly permanent in paranormal experiences given with out of, out of body experiences and with the people who've transitioned and passed on.
	They, and even when you have, um, parting visions, where you see a deceased loved one.
	Generally, they're in the best health of their life.
	They look younger, and they may have been in a wheelchair or something like that, but they've appeared to you on how they perceive themselves.
	So, you don't get so damaged in life where you perceive yourself to be this physically crippled person.
	That doesn't stay with you.
	What stays with you is that around that 40 year old That's kind of the best time of your life, where you were the best that you ever were.
	Okay, well if that is the case then, if you appear to a mere mortal, do you appear to be younger and healthier, or do you appear still in the wheelchair for their recognition?
	I mean, if somebody is suddenly 30 years old who is 90, you might not even recognize them.
	From all the reports that I've had, not one person, and there may be somebody out there because it's not absolute, but I'd say 98% of the reports that I've gotten have talked about a person being younger, they were no longer limped, they no longer were in a wheelchair, they were no longer handicapped.
	They didn't take that physical abnormality to the other side with them.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That answers that, and you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Oh, all right.
	Yes.
	Hey, nice to meet you.
	I'm a long-time listener from back when you were on AM radio.
	I'm a truck driver.
	Glad to have you back on.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you.
	You came on at a good time, too, because my Giants are 4-0 and 4, so I couldn't listen to SportsCenter anymore.
	So, great time.
	I've got a quick question for Mr. Taylor.
	Okay, it's going to have to be, because we don't have a very good connection here.
	You're kind of cutting out, but go ahead.
	My question is, is it possible for, I don't know, let's say, a ghost or demonic entity to enter your body when you're astral planing?
	You got it?
	Yeah, I got it.
	He said, is it possible for something demonic to occupy your, or affect your astral body or your body while you're out of body?
	Okay.
	This is the thing that I realized, is that only in my school, Catholic school, and in the physical world, did I have something that even referenced demonic.
	So far, and if it existed, and if I encountered it, I would report it because it's not about what I want, it's about what I've experienced.
	So far, Since I've figured out what is going on and I've actively pursued it and had numerous, numerous, numerous out-of-body experiences, I have never encountered something that I would call demonic.
	I've encountered negative entities that will play games with you, but nothing that you would call demonic, because that's kind of a religious belief system term, but I have not encountered anything that is like that.
	In your view, is there a heaven?
	Is there a hell?
	Heaven, if you want to call it heaven, I'd say yes, meaning there is a place where we go that is better than this, that we return to, that is amazing, that we will see deceased relatives, that type of thing.
	If you want to call that heaven, yes, there is a location like that.
	Where dogs and dogs and cats get along and congressmen agree on everything.
	Well, the dogs and cats do, but the congressmen don't.
	Hippos and lions get along, but the congressmen don't.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hey, thanks, Art.
	Always a pleasure.
	Dr. Taylor, I'm going to try and phrase this right because it's a question that's been bugging me I think you can handle.
	Now, I'm a person who can't say that I can't say, oh, on such and such a day I experienced an out-of-body experience and here's what happened.
	I also won't tell you that I've never had one.
	I think sometimes the boundary between dreaming and an out-of-body experience may be a little bit fuzzy.
	That being said, here's my question.
	With respect to lucidity, I have had the experience, and it bugs the heck out of me, hundreds, thousands of times, where I come to the point of lucidity, and I'm able to have that control for what probably is a split second, but seems like a minute or two, and then all of a sudden, it disappears, and I wake up.
	I can't maintain that control.
	Is there something wrong with me, or what is it that I'm experiencing?
	Okay, first of all, there's nothing wrong with you.
	What happens during that process, especially the more lucid you are, the more excited you get, because it's an exciting thing, and that's hard to suppress.
	Excitement can bring you out of it.
	The intense emotions, period, even fear, can bring you out of the experience.
	So what is needed, or I think that you need, I suggest, is the more you experience it, It still becomes exciting, but you have more control over your emotions and your body and are allowed to experience the phenomena longer.
	So don't let it discourage you.
	The fact that you even get close is an awesome thing.
	It just takes practice to calm down the body so that you can last longer.
	But the only thing I would question is this has happened to me literally hundreds of times.
	You would think I'd be getting better at it.
	Is it that I'm not focusing on that?
	Well, I don't know exactly what you've studied as far as improving on yourself and your techniques, but if you haven't done anything, you can't really expect any kind of different result.
	So, it's important to learn about what other people have done prior to.
	You don't have to reinvent the wheel on this.
	There's a lot of people who have had experiences.
	I just happen to be one of them.
	So, learn what they do, incorporate some of that into your particular lifestyle and what you do, and then see how that improves your situation.
	If you do nothing, it'll repeat the same way, but if you learn, you'll have better experiences.
	Thank you very much.
	Welcome.
	Thank you.
	And that makes good sense to me.
	In other words, take advantage of the years of investigation that others have done.
	And I guess one good way to do that book plug would be to get Soul Traveler, huh?
	Definitely.
	That's one way.
	What I've found is no one particular way works for everyone.
	So it's important, I believe, to experiment and look into different types of techniques until you find something that works for you or that you can modify that works for you.
	All right.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art?
	Yes, sir.
	Hey, how are you?
	How you doing, Dr. Taylor?
	I'm doing great, thank you.
	Yeah, my question is about your robots, if they ever go looking for Bigfoot.
	And I'm just curious if, say you have a robot and it comes across Bigfoot, like the real thing, and Bigfoot gets spooked and it just comes up to the robot and destroys it.
	Because it's scary.
	Is there any way that, you know, does it transmit video back to you and record audio?
	Is there any way that, you know, that it would capture that event?
	Or if it, if that happens, there's just no chance that, you know, that would ever be known?
	Well, that's a good question.
	But you got to remember, at least you don't have to remember, but I'm influenced by my experience in the space program.
	When we send probes to different locations, they always send back data.
	Telemetry of some sort.
	So that's kind of where I don't put all my eggs in one basket and hope I recover the robot and spend hours and hours of it running and investigating and end up with zero.
	So everything that it is videotaping or photographing, I get back to a base station in real time.
	Okay, so it would then capture a Bigfoot attack then?
	Yes.
	And that's what I was sharing with Art earlier, is even if it gets destroyed, it's going to be the best 30 seconds you've ever seen in your life.
	Yeah, because I don't know if you saw, there's a picture on the website of like a Bigfoot face and it's just, it's incredible.
	Right.
	Yeah, I figure if the vehicle does get demolished from another type of animal, I still will know why it happened and have captured some data.
	The final frames might be a giant foot coming down on it.
	That might be the end.
	The death thralls of my robot experience.
	All right.
	Hold tight, Doctor.
	We're going to take a break here.
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	Bet not too many of you got that.
	Alright, Dr. Taylor, a question that comes through the wormhole.
	I'm curious about the design of the robot.
	How exactly do you construct it so that it can traverse, for example, fallen trees?
	I'm trying to visualize this and I can't.
	Well, it's hard to describe it, but I'll try.
	It has, um, let's say, let's see, um, the wheels assembly.
	Okay.
	The, it's a, it's a hub assembly that turns on, uh, two wheels turn on an axis and the wheels have telescoping, telescoping spikes that stick out of them that go around in 360 degrees.
	Each one of the spikes can recoil when it approaches an object to a certain, um, extent to maybe four or five inches.
	So what that does, Imagine your fingers, spread out with your fingers, and if your fingers come up on a broomstick, that one finger that hits the broomstick is going to retract while the other fingers continue to move over the broomstick.
	And then that finger is going to extend again.
	So as it comes in, and this is rotating, so we have a bunch of retractable fingers on a rotating wheel, That when it comes up to, let's say, a fallen log or tree, the parts that touch the tree limb will retract, creating some kind of almost like a cup around the tree.
	And as it keeps driving, the remaining wheels will be on either side of the tree and push the robot over it.
	And then the wheels that are touching the tree, once they stop touching the tree, will extend again back to a circular shape.
	Very good.
	That's the best way I can describe it.
	All right.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	Good evening.
	Where are you?
	I'm curious.
	I am just outside of Detroit, Michigan.
	Okay.
	Unless I ask, people never tell me.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Go ahead.
	I'm on the road quite often, so it helps me stay awake at night.
	Well, we're happy to serve.
	My question is, In regards to communicating with those that have passed on, it's hard for me to grasp how it happens.
	Some people use a spirit box or EVPs from a little machine.
	Other people can claim they can hear those that have passed on through audio through their ears, but I cannot understand how this happens when, you know, as a Well, one of the things, I'm not into the spirit box that comes up with slogans and words and phrases that it's supposed to be generated by an anomaly of some sort.
	I'm very skeptical about that one.
	What I've found is that the easiest way to collect EVPs, be it passive or interactive, is something very, very simple, and that would be an analog tape recorder.
	Now, an analog tape recorder that uses the tape of chromium oxide tape, which is really common, we don't understand how the voice gets imprinted on the chromium oxide tape.
	But, we know that it has nothing to do with the air moving sound waves.
	When you speak right now, you're moving air through your lungs, which is creating sound.
	We know that it's placed on the chromium oxide tape, and that is not occurring.
	Dr. Tiller, let me stop you and tell you something.
	The people that I deal with that do EVPs are very good.
	They're non-profit.
	older people who really do care about this work and they have found early on they thought it had to be tape.
	It had to be a conventional tape machine but they really have found that digital does work and thank goodness because digital is very clear compared to dress.
	I have used digital recorders to me and this is just me The sound that I've gotten from analog tape recorders has been a little easier to figure out versus the digital ones.
	So, yes, I've used both, but I have been able to understand what I've collected a little better on the chromium oxide analog tape recorders.
	Very interesting.
	Very, very interesting.
	Have you done a lot of work in this area?
	I'd say extensive.
	You mean as far as the actual mechanics of the tape or the... Well, in EVP.
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	Matter of fact, I remember playing some EVPs on a show you and I did where you said I had some of the best EVPs you've ever heard.
	Right, right.
	Definitely.
	But I mean this has been an ongoing adventure with you.
	Definitely.
	Oh, definitely.
	I just, yeah, definitely.
	Matter of fact, my robots, every time I go out on an investigation, that's one of the functions they perform.
	So, they're performing multiple tasks at the same time.
	Digital photography, stills, audio, that type of thing.
	So, every time I go on an investigation, I come back with recordings, EVPs of some sort that the robots or my investigators have collected.
	Remarkable.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	Yes, this is Everett from Tennessee.
	Thank you.
	Yes, sir.
	First, I'd like to talk to you for a minute, for a second or two, about the dark and light thing, if you'd like to talk about that.
	I'm willing to talk about it.
	I don't know how much light I can shed.
	Well, what I'm about to tell you is, I can't speak on the dark part much, but I can speak a little bit about the light thing.
	As a young kid, I was probably five, six, seven years old, I don't know, something like that, I would have had these things that Dr. Taylor's talking about, these out-of-body experiences, or it started out as, like, I'd wake up, I'd be asleep, and I'd wake up, and I couldn't move or speak or anything like that.
	It started out that way.
	It was very scary.
	I'd scream or holler for help.
	Nobody could help me because I couldn't literally scream.
	Just like Dr. Taylor.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Okay, I had hundreds of them when I was younger, but I guess when I was about 10 or 12 years old, I got comfortable with it over the years, over them four or five years there.
	And one night I went to bed, and I was trying to experiment.
	I was literally going to try to thank God.
	That's what I was wanting to do.
	So, I had one of these experiences, one of these outer bodies experiences.
	To me, they're more like a spiritual experience.
	And I remember, From that point, when I went into that stage where I couldn't move, this, that, and the other, and I kind of went, I got to the point where I could go out of my body, like Dr. Taylor is talking about, and I remember just going to a place where there was just pure energy and light.
	At the time, I didn't know what it was.
	I was so young.
	I wasn't, like I said, 10, 12 years old.
	I didn't really know what it was, but I went to a place where there was just pure light and energy.
	And I know I was concentrating on trying to find, you know, see what God, who God was and what God looked like.
	So as far as going towards the light and dark, I was just probably going towards the light.
	You know what?
	I think that I, in the end, I'm going to get so confused, I'm going to go to the gray area.
	Well, to me, to me, I really truly believe I was in the presence of God to this day. I really felt
	like that.
	And I was there for a little bit. I could feel the stuff. I could feel the energy.
	It was like energy or light. I can't say it was light or I can't say it was energy.
	It was like, it was just, it was a big, it was like energy and light. That's why I describe it.
	Okay. Well, I interviewed a young lady who gave me a very long and detailed years ago description
	of going to the other side. And it was filled with different rooms,
	some with terrifying things, some with wonderful things.
	I'm I remember that very, very vividly.
	Anyway, as I said, I think, Dr. Taylor, I'm going to end up just walking into the gray area.
	Well, I think, first of all, I have to say congratulations to that gentleman for having the experience because a lot of people wish they had that experience and he's had one.
	And the way it affects you is profound.
	This is the thing that I try to suggest to people when you're going to have encounters
	with something on the other side via the out-of-body experience.
	Is try to suspend your judgment and your belief system and the things that you think you expect
	to see.
	Because that can contaminate the entire experience where you won't have a really pure experience.
	So just don't try to guess, don't try to predict or anything like that, and just observe what's
	happening and soak all that in and you'll find that you're going to get an experience
	that's going to be beyond anything, anything, anybody has ever told you.
	That's good advice.
	All right, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Thank you for waiting.
	Thank you, Art.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	First, I'd like to say to Keith, The website?
	Great.
	I went to Arts Parts earlier and have a coffee mug that should be here on Friday.
	All right.
	Be sure it has my signature on it.
	Remember that.
	Yes, sir.
	You guys have almost covered both of the questions and the caller just before was touching all around it.
	Okay then, goodbye.
	I'm just kidding.
	Go ahead.
	My first question was the age deal.
	We won't even go there.
	The second one, There's a scripture in Corinthians about when you're absent from the body, you're present with the Lord, with God, and he was touching on that, and I wanted to get Dr. Taylor's thoughts on that as well.
	Okay.
	Well, one of the things I don't do is I don't comment on somebody's religion or a belief system, but I can tell you this.
	No matter what you believe, and hopefully you believe in something, it is a spiritual experience.
	It's fun and games in the beginning, and it's fun even after the beginning, but it all leads to spiritual awakening of the individual having the experience.
	And so far, and everyone that I've, myself included, and everyone I've talked to all over the world, It's definitely improved their lives and has been a benefit to their lives.
	So, that's what I can share with you.
	All right.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art and Dr. Taylor.
	This is Rusty from Michigan.
	Hello.
	Yeah, Dr. Taylor, I bought your book, I guess it was five years ago, something like that, and you kind of have some steps outlined in there.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I like AstroTravel.
	You have an astral flat tire.
	will and man I've tried and tried and tried and I got so sick of trying almost to stop.
	Yes.
	I just can't seem to get there.
	You have an astral flat tire.
	Yes.
	Well, let me share some things that can slow you down so to speak.
	If you have a lot of stress in your life or a stressful job, that can do it.
	Stressful home life, that can do it.
	A lot of situations in your life that cause anger, that can do it.
	So sometimes, and because the key to having an altered state of consciousness or altered state experience, because that's what this is, is relaxation.
	The body harbors or stores tension from previous experiences quite efficiently. That's
	why they call it we have post-traumatic stress syndrome. A lot of people suffer
	through. So it takes practice instead of trying to accomplish the end result
	which is having the out-of-body experience, practice on the relaxation and the
	takeoff part and get that really well tuned and then what comes after that will
	get a lot easier.
	When you get there to the astral travel, is there, now a lot of my problem I
	know is because I have a lot of physical pain, I have a disability, but do people
	get healed going there?
	It has happened.
	I've known a woman who was diagnosed with cancer and was told that she had about a year or two to live and that was 15 years ago and she's in remission.
	And she attributes it to astral travel?
	She had a near-death experience.
	Which in a near-death experience is a form of out-of-body experience or astral travel.
	It is the same thing.
	One is controlled, one isn't.
	But this is the thing.
	Now think about this.
	Let me try to put it into a little tiny area that makes a lot of sense.
	Now let's not think about the healing aspect.
	Let's think about The sick aspect of making you sick.
	We know, we know that if you worry about something right now, your consciousness can cause ulcers, can cause your stomach to have, you have ulcers.
	Your consciousness can damage your body.
	People who have had, during earthquakes, people because of the fear, not because of the physical danger, people because of the fear have had heart attacks.
	So we know that your consciousness can cause negative things.
	Well, why wouldn't your consciousness be able to cause positive things also, depending on your frame of mind?
	It has an effect on the body negatively when you worry.
	Wouldn't it have an effect, you think there would be some kind of effect
	on the positive side if you weren't worried and used positive energy?
	So that's kind of how you have to look at it.
	There's really a yin and a yang to this, but most people, if you're not aware of the positive, we all too often focus on the negative.
	Totally makes sense to me.
	You're on the air with Dr. Teller.
	Hello?
	Hello there.
	I know you're there.
	Hello?
	Hi.
	Mark?
	Yes.
	Caught me by surprise.
	Yeah, the question I had, I had, I think it's at least three or four out-of-body experiences when I was 18.
	That's 28 years ago.
	And your guest just mentioned stress could bring it on.
	Well, actually, I think the opposite.
	Stress could, well, would probably prevent it.
	Well, there are some cases.
	It depends on the situation.
	Stress can, like, abuse.
	Physical abuse has been reported to launch people in and out of my experiences, but stress can also prevent it from happening.
	Yeah, I can see that.
	In other words, you'd want to escape.
	You'd want to be away, and that would be the will that would carry you.
	Colin?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, the thing was, these particular experiences, I would be above my body looking down on it, and I was so scared because I couldn't move my body.
	At all.
	But I was looking down on it, and I think the fear is what kept on bringing me back down into my body.
	And I think if I would have been able to just relax and let go, I could have actually gone where I was supposed to go.
	Is that correct?
	Definitely.
	And fear, think about how fear has served us as far as the species on this planet.
	Fear has had a vital An important part of our awareness, because it saved our lives in a lot of cases.
	When we were wandering through the forests and jungles, and you hear a twig snap behind you, that fear told you that it could be a predator, and that you need to find some shelter or cover.
	Well, the fear has worked really fine for a long, long time, but now, because we're in a different area, and we're talking about spiritual and all that, The fear is still there, but it's not preventing or saving you from anything.
	It's kind of automatic.
	So now it's going to take a conscious effort on your part or anybody's part to overcome the fear because it happens before we can think.
	It usually kicks in before you can think rationally about something.
	That's why if there's a loud noise, cats usually jump up and run out of the room before they even know what's wrong.
	So that takes a conscious effort On your part, and practice to overcome that natural instinct that fear has, that hair trigger, and to overcome it and suppress it.
	But I can tell you this, it definitely is possible, and the more you practice, the better you become at it.
	Well, yeah, I hope I get another chance to... I used to listen to Christopher Croft's Sailing right before I fell asleep, and that seemed to bring it on, and I'll just try that.
	Mm-hmm.
	Whatever works!
	Yeah, you caught me off guard.
	Like I said, I want to say Mega Roswells and it's a pleasure talking to you both.
	Thank you very much and take care.
	Let's go here and say hello.
	You're on with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, Dr. Taylor, Mega Roswells.
	Hello.
	Thank you.
	Pretty good.
	My wife and I were listening and when Dr. Taylor was talking about the out-of-body experience, his initial Experience, I guess, with being paralyzed, seeing a figure in the room, can't move and all that stuff.
	Both of us have had that exact same experience and it just really gave us both goosebumps and now I'd like to explore more astral travel and just want to know where a good starting off point would be.
	Well, first of all, let me say congratulations because If you have experienced a paralysis, a lot of the hard part is done and that's an indication that you're definitely capable of having experiences far beyond the body.
	So congratulations on that.
	Read up on it as much as you possibly can.
	Practice different relaxation techniques.
	Don't get stuck on any particular one.
	Find something that works for you.
	It may not work for your wife.
	Hers may be different, but find something that works for you.
	Doctor, let's try this.
	If you're laying in bed and you feel that you're paralyzed, right now, tell everybody, what is the next step?
	What do you do once you realize you're paralyzed?
	Instead of panicking like I know I would, What do you do next to actually exit your body?
	Well, the first thing you have to do is take control of the experience, because if you don't take control of the experience, you're going to be a passenger, and that means all kinds of weird stuff is going to happen, including bouncing off the walls uncontrollably, which will scare you.
	So the first thing, 90% of everything that happens to you In the out-of-body experiences, because you will it to happen.
	So, if you want to be able to see, that's the first thing you want to do, is you want to be able to see your environment, the room.
	So, you say, I want to see.
	It sounds simple, but that's kind of how it works.
	Next thing you want to do, is if you're completely paralyzed, past the vibration stage, The next thing, the only thing that's waiting for you to do is make a command, because you're sitting there disconnected.
	All you have to do is give the command to lift off.
	So you want to say, I want to float upward.
	And you will begin to move upward.
	Anything you want to do, I want to walk on the ground, or walk on the carpet.
	Because it's not about when, you know, if you think about touching things, you're commanding muscles.
	But this is all about consciousness.
	There's not muscles.
	I think that would have helped a lot of people.
	Hi there, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	90% of the time the astral body, because that's what you're going to be in initially, will
	respond to your thoughts.
	I think that would have helped a lot of people.
	Hi there, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	We do hear you, yes.
	Definitely.
	Yes, I've been listening now for a couple of weeks.
	I heard your guys' radio promo when I got my style of radio.
	So you're kind of, I guess we could say you're a new serious XM listener?
	I'm a new serious XM listener.
	I'm new to listening to these type of shows, period.
	I grew up in a really diverse child upbringing, I guess.
	My mom is a practicing pagan.
	My stepdad practicing Native American beliefs, different things.
	I had one of these out-of-body experiences one time on a guided meditation that my mom brought me to.
	And it was, ever since then, it's always been stuck in my head.
	I have dreams about it.
	What it was is, this lady, you know, she started the guided meditation and I walked down a long corridor, kind of like, it was full of doors, kind of.
	And at the end, there was one door, and the door had light coming out from underneath of it.
	And when I got to this door, I went inside, and when I came inside, there was just a flat, almost like an altar type thing with a book on it.
	And, you know, when I opened this book, it was my lives, kind of, and my question is, When you're talking about these spirits, when you leave this world, when you die or whatever, is there a way, can someone be chosen to come back into this life in another form or even the same form?
	That's a good question.
	Caller, I want to ask you, you said you saw a book with your lives.
	You mean previous lives?
	Previous lives, like I've had dreams of ancient Egyptian times where I was, it felt so real like I was there.
	When they were building the pyramids.
	Like, I try to explain to people, like I, different times, like, I don't know, like, and ever since then, I've had, my dreams are so vivid with different time periods, and when I research it, they're almost, you know, almost exactly realistic compared to what people theorize these time periods look like.
	Well, that's really cool.
	Dr. Taylor, um, what about it?
	There's something called the Akasic records, uh, Cossack records.
	And a lot of people have reported going into an area, a room, or through a doorway and finding a book with all kinds of information about your past lives and your future.
	Now, you've got to think about this, is that it's really not a book, and it's really not a room, but that's the way it's designed so you can understand what's going on.
	So, some people may view it as a screen, a television screen, where it replays their life over.
	Some people may understand it as a book, and it really doesn't matter because The Rose, by any other name, still is the same.
	I want it on TV.
	I want 1080 and surround sound and the whole thing.
	I'm sure, Art, with your lifestyle, you would have that.
	I probably would.
	Hold on, Dr. Taylor.
	We're at a break point here.
	Every now and then, we do have them.
	you're listening to dark matter in the night time
	and I'm Art Bell and I'm Art Bell
	and I'm Art Bell you choose death
	you choose death you choose death
	you choose death you choose death
	Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell
	Jimmy Rogers on the Victrola up high Mama's dancing
	with baby on her shoulder the sun is setting like molasses in the sky
	the world is singing with a happy mood
	everything's always wanting more eating and longing for
	Black Bell and I'm Lady Boy
	and I'm Lady Boy from the area of 51
	this is Dark Matter with Art Bell This is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To join the show, please call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	Listen, everybody, maybe you could do me a favor.
	It's obvious to me, just on the call volume, and there's a zillion of you out there, but I wonder how you got here.
	I know it's a strange request, but if you get an extra moment, jot me an email and let me know how you found us.
	Did you just stumble into us?
	Did you hear about us somewhere?
	How did you find us?
	I am artbell at artbell dot com.
	That's the address, the email address.
	artbell at artbell dot com.
	Love to know how you found us.
	I mean, here we are up on satellite radio and Here you are.
	And hello, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Thank you, Art.
	And Dr. Taylor, I became a fan of yours since I heard an Art Bell program late last century.
	Wow.
	Thanks a lot.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Appreciate it.
	I think you said something like, life without reincarnation is like a play with just one act.
	There's not enough time for character development.
	That was very... Yes.
	Wow, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yes, I did say that.
	Well, it sort of seems like Earth is a free-will school for junior creators, and by your beliefs, so you'll manifest.
	That's what I'm getting from you.
	Mm-hmm.
	And I was wondering... Well... Oh, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	Alright, yeah, and the word ions, when you talked about that, of the movement of these charged atoms and stuff, or group, when people think of movement, they normally think of friction causing heat.
	Yet, Art explained he felt cold, so how does this ion situation work with the ghostly manifestation, where it actually cools the air, or his feeling of it?
	Well, it's not a physical cooling, meaning the temperature doesn't drop.
	It's a sensation.
	Kind of like When you put hot sauce in your mouth, the hot sauce is not hot, but you break out in a sweat anyway.
	It's a reaction to it.
	So, it doesn't mean that, yeah, there's a temperature difference.
	It means that that's how your body is trying to interpret this outside stimulus.
	Okay.
	I wanted to also comment about your robotic search for Bigfoot.
	I don't know if it was art or... Years ago, I heard a Bigfoot researcher say something about wearing metal.
	And that Bigfoot Sasquatch has an inborn radar toward anything metal, so that might sort of hinder your success rate.
	Well, I don't know that for sure.
	If that is something that is a fact, then I will discover that.
	But so far, I don't think anybody has been able to develop or document any kind of pattern Well, the robot, though, is a superb idea.
	viable thus far, otherwise I think they probably would have found them by now.
	So that's something I'll take into consideration, but unless it manifests, I probably won't
	deal with it.
	Well, the robot though is a superb idea.
	You're not going to know until you know, but anything that can stand watch without moving
	and then take pictures 360 degrees instantly has got a pretty good shot of finding something
	better than a person out in the middle of the woods with a camera.
	Well we use it to explore the universe.
	I don't see why and we use it to explore the ocean.
	It just makes perfectly good sense that we'll use it to explore the forest and also even possibly look for Nessie.
	So it just makes sense to me.
	No, I'm so totally with you.
	It's a great, great, great idea.
	Let's go here.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hey Art, you got me?
	Yeah, I have you.
	Roswells, Roswells.
	I'm Steve, calling from Yuma, Arizona, west of the Rockies.
	Thank you.
	And actually, Dr. Taylor, good evening.
	Good evening.
	My question is, is I'm fascinated with the robots.
	Just absolutely fascinated.
	Me too.
	And you have, you have a ton of uses for yours.
	Um, what else can you do with them?
	I mean, to be blunt, you know, I, if I had one out here in Yuma, Arizona, I don't know, I'd have them bring me a cold beer or something in the heat, or mow my yard, or geez, I don't know, bake me a pie or something.
	What else can you do with them?
	Well, I always look at it this way and I feel, you know, a lot of times people build robots and they don't exactly have a purpose for them.
	They're cool things to look at and they do things, but there's really no job for them.
	So my background is that I develop requirements.
	That's how I kind of work.
	And I build and design the robot to fulfill the requirement.
	So, if there, and usually the requirement comes from a need of some sort, you know, necessity, the mother of invention.
	So, if I have, if I come up into a situation, depending on the investigative situation, if I can't, if the robot doesn't already have that capability, I'm going to design into a new bot all the things that it needs to do to accomplish what I want it to do.
	So that's kind of how it works.
	So basically, to answer your question, they can do anything your imagination can come up with.
	It's just that, do you have really a need to accomplish that task?
	Well, put more succinctly, in this case, robots for the paranormal make all kinds of sense when you think about it.
	They're patient, They're not going to fidget around.
	They're going to get the picture when it comes time to get the picture.
	In other words, for this purpose, these robots are ideal.
	Wouldn't you think, Caller?
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	But I would also like to, you know, maybe have them take my wife out shopping or something, you know.
	So, you know, you've got to find something for them to do around here.
	But hey, thank you very much.
	I really appreciate it.
	You're welcome.
	The Oscar robot is capable of holding... It will be, eventually.
	It's capable of holding... It will be capable of holding conversation and interacting with people.
	Very quickly, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello?
	Uh, Art?
	Yes, we have very little time, sir.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, I wanted to ask Dr. Taylor... I'm a Little Rock, Arkansas.
	I'm actually a paranormal investigator.
	And I was wondering about the odds, what he said about the odds, because there was a time when we were doing an investigation where we actually got temperature change while I was being touched, and it was a cold spot.
	So, I was kind of wondering, I mean, has he had anything like that happen to him?
	Because, you know, it's happened on more than one occasion, but at the same time, on our millimeter, we had a 10 degree drop.
	And a drop on our digital thermometer while I was being touched at the same time.
	Okay.
	Have you detected anything like that yet, Dr. Taylor?
	Oh, yes.
	The sense of cold is not strictly ions.
	Definitely, I've measured temperature drops, but I generally, if they don't rise or drop more than 10 degrees, I don't pay attention to it.
	But yes, it definitely has happened.
	Okay, see here, my friend, our program is over.
	We have no more time.
	I want to thank you so very much for being here, and of course we will have you back.
	I mean, the road you're going down now is really fascinating.
	I think it's pretty exciting.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	It's been a pleasure to be with you again.
	Good night, my friend.
	Good night, Art.
	You take care.
	Alright, well that's it, folks.
	I'm sorry, we are out of time.
	That's Dr. Albert Taylor.
	His original book is called Soul Traveler.
	And he's really, really serious about that.
	So if you're thinking that you might want to make a move up and out, that's the book for you.
	In the meantime, have a good night.
	Midnight in the desert and there's wisdom in the air.
	I've been looking for the answer all my life I've held you there.
	As the world we live in pretends Are we heeding all the signs?
	Have we lost our intuition?
	Are we running out of time?
	Midnight in the desert And we're listening Ooh, we're listening to you And we're listening

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