Whitley Strieber recounts his 1985 abduction near Woodstock, involving terrifying "grays," a needle in his head, and an anal probe later confirmed as rape through hypnosis, MRI, and polygraph tests. He links encounters to death and government manipulation, citing letters from global experiencers and dismissed books like Communion due to ridicule—even after South Park’s satire. Strieber warns against public disclosure of abductions, speculates on implants (like his ear device) tied to "missing time," and dismisses The Fourth Kind as fiction despite its plausibility. He frames the phenomenon as a persistent, possibly transformative part of human life, with deep occult ties, urging skepticism toward official narratives while promoting unknowncountry.com for credible research. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now, how do, I'm getting a lot of emails from all over the world.
Britain, and on and on and on.
Far East, all over the world, actually.
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the report of two dead after a house fire in ohio suspected to be the result of a meteorite that's like one of my biggest fears that i'll look up and i won't see it streaking across anything i'll see it as a dot growing larger and larger coming right at me what a way to go actually not the worst way to go when you think about it the deepest earthquake ever recorded 8.3 i
at deepest, not biggest.
About 600 kilometers down.
It's very mysterious how these earthquakes happen.
International inspectors running around in Damascus and elsewhere trying to find all the chemical weapons, supposed to be about 1,000 tons of them.
And I imagine these other government guys running around with them too.
So it'll be a chase.
The digital domain is creeping off our desktops and onto our bodies.
From music players that match your tunes to your heart's beat to mood sweaters, mood sweaters, is that cool?
That change color depending on your emotional state.
Blue for calm, red for angry.
There are vacuum shoes that clean the floor while you walk, and fitness bracelets, anklets and necklaces to track your calorie burning.
Oh my God.
Everyone agrees the race is just beginning, so get ready out there, everybody.
I think we're going to see some very big leaps in technological fashion, I guess.
I wonder what color it'd be for Horny.
Wouldn't that make walking down the street an interesting experience?
And, you know, all day long, all they're doing on TV is doing the government shutdown thing, interviewing politician after politician, and I'm so sick of it.
I think if I was a reporter, I'd travel with my microphone and a guy named Guido.
And Guido would stand next to me, and I'd ask the politician a question, whether it be from the left or the right.
And when he gave me his usual non-answer, my God, they're good at that.
Never even actually addressing what you ask.
But they can talk.
In fact, that applies to some coast guests, too.
Anyway, I'd have Guido with me, and I'd, you know, after my non-answer, I'd say, look, Congressman, you see Guido here?
I'm going to ask you the question again.
If Guido doesn't like the expression on my face after I get the answer, if I'm not smiling, Guido's going to rearrange you.
Then I bet you you'd get an answer.
Yes, sir, sir.
We've got a stereo check we've got to do here in a minute, too.
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I'm tired of getting emails about, it's not coming out of my left channel.
It's not coming out of my right channel.
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Well, we're not going to see ISON from Mars, maybe, maybe.
The government shutdown has drastically affected the space agency.
In fact, given that there are no appropriations for any of the government funding that is so-called discretionary, you know, the government is divided into kind of two parts, the mandatory and then the discretionary.
And the discretionary is a really small part of the whole federal budget.
But the discretionary funding includes NASA.
NASA has between 18 and 19,000 employees.
They have sent almost everybody except 600 people, who are mostly security guards and computer types, home during this shutdown.
But all the computer people, all the science people, all the support systems, all the guys in the back room, all that, they've all gone home.
So if there's a problem, NASA will have to call all these people back to work.
And if they really have to go and get them, we can't get them anyway, because we have no spacelift capability.
It's going to be the Russians who are not affected by the current U.S. government shutdown.
So yeah, we will be able to get them home.
But where the rubber meets the road for tonight's discussion, there was supposed to be, and we'll get into this in a few minutes with some images, some really wonderful imaging attempts from the surface of Mars by the Curiosity spacecraft to take images of Comet Ison as it flies by a little over 6.5 million miles above the Martian North Pole.
Because among other things that has Been shut down.
I mean, literally, NASA is closed.
And what was interesting is out of all the federal government and all the various agencies that literally have no money, so all these people have been furloughed, like a million government folks furloughed.
The president singled out yesterday NASA to cite as one of the casualties of this Tea Party-imposed government shutdown.
And I thought singling out NASA was very interesting.
Well, why is it interesting?
Well, look what they're planning to do.
If you go to image number one, this is a schematic plan published a little while ago by Space.com.
For the FYI 2014 budget, NASA is planning to begin to go out and find an asteroid in the right orbit, exactly the right orbit, nudge it into an orbit that will intersect the moon with a solar electric propulsion system.
And put it in orbit around the moon so we then can send up astronauts on the new space launch system and the Orion crew module to sample it and begin to learn how to mine asteroids in Earth orbit.
And of course, that asteroid will be available to all the private ventures that are currently going on.
The Google folks and Elon Musk and Richard Branson and all those private guys that are really doing interesting things on the space frontier.
Because the big high-ticket item for making space pay, for actually bringing the riches of the solar system, as my old friend Kraft Erica used to say, the magnificent heritage down to Earth, well, you'll be able to mine asteroids for precious metals, for water in space.
I mean, literally water in space for astronauts to drink and to split apart for oxygen and all that.
The gravity field of the moon is one-sixth that of Earth.
It costs money, a lot of money with rockets, that primitive technology, to lift a pound of water from the moon.
So what you'd ideally like to have is water in a zero-grab environment in space to ship from point to point in space to build a space industrial infrastructure that basically is operating in a zero-G environment.
And that's why this asteroid project is so critical to not just the future of NASA, but to the future of all of us.
We need to become a space civilization at Warp 9.
We are running out of stuff on Earth.
We're despoiling the planet.
We're killing our future.
And we're running out of resources.
Well, there's infinite resources in space if we can find them and tap them and utilize them.
And that's what this project is planning to do.
But there was a three-day conference in Houston that began Monday, was supposed to end tomorrow.
It had to be canceled in mid-conference.
Why?
Because all the NASA people who have airplane tickets and using their NASA credit cards have to go home because they can't pay anybody anymore.
Water in space is more valuable than any desert on this planet, and asteroid mining will make it available to use solar energy to simply heat the asteroid up, extract the 20% water, pick the right one.
You've got almost free water in a zero-grab environment to do amazing things because it ultimately can even be used to make rocket fuel for clunky old rocket engines.
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Yeah, Keith didn't put them up on this page tonight, but it's on the previous page from my previous show.
We have three images of number nine, two taken within minutes of each other, and then the one that I've got listed tonight taken 13 days before they moved the rover a little closer so we got a stereo view.
I will have Keith, you know, tonight put up the images or the image links on this page so they click right on the image link underneath.
He was astounded by this, and so astounded that he refused, I think, to buy into it until he got the original NASA photograph and did his own imaging, you know, of that photograph.
If you actually, I didn't size it correctly so you can actually see stereo because that's a very complicated process and no one will believe it anyway.
So do it yourself.
But the links are on the first page of number nine from two weeks ago, week and a half ago.
And I'll make sure Keith puts the links on this page.
But yeah, we've got three separate images by the Curiosity M100 camera of this thing sitting out there in the desert a few, you know, maybe 20, 30 feet away that's obviously got all kinds of complex geometry and a pipe sticking out towards the camera.
Well, the only mundane explanation that one can invoke for this object is that a secret space program went to Gale a decade ago, two decades, whatever, and left this, dropped it as part of the hardware.
That raises so many bizarre questions that it's almost as good a possibility as that the Martians left it.
However, there is a way to tell, even by just a photograph.
When you look close up, you told me last time I should have had a closer picture of it, so I put up the stereo and close-up.
And it would be nice and shiny because there's no oxygen, there's no corrosion, no rusting in a brief period of time on Mars of 50 years.
So if this thing is really, really old, which the data says it is, it's got to be much older than anything humans have done in the last hundred years or the last thousand years or maybe the last 10,000 or 12,000 years.
It could be, here's another possibility, an artifact from a human mission from Earth during the last time there was an ancient high-tech civilization on this planet.
Look at what all these independent rogue archaeologists, you know, my old friend John West.
Everyone who's looked at this seriously, looked at the ancient structures, the sacred sites, the evidence, the texts, and all that, they say we are not the first.
And I've got measurements of ancient temples with this physics that when we get to do that show someday are going to knock your socks off because they're doing things that nobody should have known how to do hundreds or thousands of years ago.
So all I'm saying is at the moment, since we don't have ground truth, we can't, you know, what's really weird, Art, is that they saw this stuff in the distance from the Curiosity imagery, and for a mission named Curiosity, they drove right by.
They never even, they could have gone over, and, you know, they can the microscopic imager, they could have done the laser ping-ping to get it.
How do I, of course, they're not working right now, but I mean, how do I get somebody from NASA on here, Richard, and say, okay, we're all looking at number nine here, looking at the pipe sticking out of it.
What he said from what I heard him say was, if you could prove to me, meaning data, that someone was here, I would change jobs, meaning listening with a radio, you know, clunky, archaic, primitive radio, and I would look at a way to interact with them in modern 21st century modalities.
Well, yeah, or maybe use my Accutron, because when we get to the Accutron show, I'm going to show you data we've gotten which looks incredibly like intelligent messages modulating the Accutron output.
This is a photograph that was taken in the southern hemisphere, I think in Australia, in the summer, in the spring of 2011 when Comet McNaught flew by.
And the orbit was such that you really couldn't see it from the northern hemisphere, but you had one heck of a view from the southern.
Like I remember back in the prehistory, you know, your prehistory, because you and I hadn't met for decades yet, 1974, when I was at the Hayden Planetarium in New York, I borrowed the Queen Elizabeth II and took a whole bunch of people and my director to South America and back for two weeks, tracing Comet Kahotek.
And believe me, it was so amazing to stand on the fantail and pick up the phone and call the bridge and say, sir, would you please move her bow 20 degrees to port so that the plume doesn't break but self across.
And they did it.
Oh, talk about power.
Talk about the feeling.
And we had a great view.
Now, Cahotec was a dud for everybody else because you had to be in a super dark sky with no lights, no scattering, no glare, no water vapor, no whatever.
And from the middle of an ocean, it was really great to see from the deck of the QE2.
But most people live in cities, so for them, it was a dud.
It is, given the projections of the comet of the century, always beware of the hype, comet of the century.
You know, note to self, do not follow hype on comet of century.
I am really concerned that the overhype of comet ISON.
However, comets are incredibly unpredictable.
So it could surprise us.
It's going to come within 700,000 plus or minus a few miles of the surface of our seething 10,000 degree Fahrenheit sun.
It's going to get so close, it will boil furiously as it gets close inside the orbit of Venus in the next few weeks and reaches naked eye visibility sometime toward the end of October, beginning of November.
It could surprise everybody and have a sudden spurt.
A comet IKEA Seci in 1965 did that, where I was out chasing it with a light aircraft.
Which tells me, and remember, I have a conspiracy side to this investigation.
So I'm looking for the subtle political backstory to when things are so hyped and you wonder why are they hyping just another little bergy bit sailing through the inner solar system.
When Brian Williams and NBC a few nights ago said, we're going to be your NBC Comet ISON network, they have never done that.
I've worked for a couple of networks, three networks actually, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
I have never lived at a time when a network, television network, advertised it was going to be the place to come for news and views of a celestial event.
Unless they're running on inside info, which raises all kinds of questions we'll get to in a couple of minutes.
And then you click on the link below the image, below the thumbnail, and that will take you to this really cool three-dimensional simulation where you can run the solar system forward and back.
You can look at this thing from any angle.
You can zoom in.
You can rotate around.
The comet, of course, is totally fake.
It's a big, huge, spectacular comet, but that's on the schematic so people can see what the comet is supposed to be looking like at that moment.
This is the single shot, the photo I grabbed for tonight.
Tonight, ISON moves around 6.5 million miles above the northern hemisphere of Mars.
We have assets at Mars.
We have the Curiosity rover and the Opportunity rover on the surface.
This is the view, simulated view, of what ISON should look like if Curiosity was able to send us images.
but because of the government shutdown, which coincidentally happened the night the sun flies by Mars, we're not going to see anything for, we don't know how long.
Now, I am praying that the JPL folks actually pre-programmed Curiosity to take it.
He thinks they're hiding data on purpose, and he thinks they're doing it because there's an electrical connection forming to Mars that they don't want everybody to know about.
Maybe sometime you can have him and me on together and we can have a wonderful food fight in an intellectual, high-level way.
But for whatever reason, we're not going to see not only live images or tape, they don't tape them, they put them in digital memory, then they download them over the next day or two.
We're not going to see any of this stuff because the data acquisition from all of NASA's spacecraft orbiting or on the surface of Mars, we've got two spacecraft in orbit.
We have Mars Odyssey, which has a damn good camera, and we've got essentially a telescope, a miniature Hubble telescope orbiting Mars in the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft called HiRISE, which has like a two-foot, I think it's a two-foot mirror.
Maybe it's a foot and a half, whatever.
It's almost as big as Hubble.
Now, normally it looks down to get really super high magnification images of Mars that show things, you know, a few inches across.
You turn that baby and look into space at ISON when it's only six and a half million miles away, you're going to get a spectacular view.
Whatever comets are made of, when they get close to the sun, the solar ultraviolet light, both the wavelength and the intensity, the brightness, increases.
The brightness increases as it gets closer and closer.
There's a magic point reached where the chemicals begin to combine.
First of all, they have to melt.
They have to sublime in a vacuum.
Then they combine in weird ways, and then they stream off into the background.
And the green comes from a gas called cyanogen, which is a mixture of carbon and hydrogen.
And it's related to cyanide.
It's deadly.
When we passed through the tale of Halley's Comet back in 1910, there were folks selling comet pills.
And they were even selling submarine rides and telling people to take several days' worth of provisions so you could stay alive underwater while the rest of the population was gas to death.
Needless to say, the amount of cyanogen is a wisp because the pressures and densities are a trillionth of the Earth's atmosphere.
So it's an interesting phenomenon.
The cyanogen may in fact be a clue as to the real nature of some comets because not all comets turn green when they approach the sun.
So let's move on to number eight.
This is the one that really blew everybody's mind on the web a few weeks ago.
This is a Hubble view from the Hubble Archive.
And below the image, below the thumbnail, there is a link directly to the Hubble archive.
So you can see this is officially in the Hubble archives of the Hubble Space Telescope.
This is a close-up with Hubble of the nucleus of Comet Ison showing a stunning, ready for it?
Tetrahedral 120 degree geometry of apparently three pieces in the nucleus of a comet.
Except, that's not what you're seeing.
What you're seeing is geometry created deliberately by NASA at the Hubble Institute for God knows what reason, Art.
I could speculate, but we don't have time because Whitley's coming up at Warp 9, so I got to move through these fast.
But the geometry was absolutely unequivocally created by the timing of when the Hubble camera was ordered to take the 440-second each three images that for some reason NASA composited all into one black and white image, which is never done.
This is not how you do science on comets.
So somebody at NASA wanted us to see this geometry.
The geometry has a hidden meaning to someone somewhere.
That's another show.
But it's real, and that's what tells me that May and Brian Williams may have gotten a heads up that something is going to be really interesting about ISON, so keep watching.
Anyway, so number nine is a close-up taken by the epoxy spacecraft of the nucleus of Hartley 2 in several different spectral filters showing basically elements coming off the comet.
The blue one is the water vapor distribution.
The red one is the dust.
That's infrared, by the way.
That's why it's glowing so brightly.
The green is CO2.
The kind of whitish one is ice, just scattering of sunlight from ice coming off, because comets are supposed to be mostly water, which sublimes in a vacuum.
That's their natural model.
But the interesting question about this betrayal by NASA is, why are the elements segregated to various regions on this little tiny object?
And we're talking something that's about a mile across, kind of an elongated, you know, mile-long football.
And there's no way that a comet forming through accretion in a vacuum back in the solar system formation days, billions of years ago, could segregate elements to various layers.
In other words, you wouldn't have the oxygen forming first, then you wouldn't have the CO2 around it, and et cetera, like an onion.
My model is some comets, not all of them, maybe not even the majority, but some of them could be ancient derelict spacecraft from the ancient epoch of the solar system when my Type 2 civilization lived and enjoyed occupation of the planets, the places between the planets, built artificial worlds.
Remember, this thing is about a mile long.
And what we're seeing in Hartley is the outgassing in those various elemental colors because of the outgassing into a vacuum through holes in the former hull of the gases that would be used to keep a biosphere and people and trees and all kinds of other stuff alive in a little artificial world measuring about a mile across.
But if you got one artificial ancient object on Mars, everything you assume about the history of the solar system is wrong.
Everything.
And must be questioned.
And so this proposition has to be in the mix along with all the other implications of an ancient artifact on a place where NASA says nothing like that possibly can exist.
He's co-author with me of Superstorm that then became the movie The Day After Tomorrow.
He is the author of more than 20 other books, including the spiritual classic, The Key, and the largest-selling book on the Roswell incident, Majestic.
Most recently, he has published Alien Hunter in the first of a series of novels about alien and human police working together to catch alien criminals on Earth.
His current nonfiction is Solving the Communion Enigma, which describes new breakthroughs that could solve the close encounter mystery once and for all.
His website is unknowncountry.com, providing daily news of the edge.
It is also the home of the radio program called Dreamland, founded by Art and Ramona Bell and continued by Whitley to this very day.
So here, ladies and gentlemen, is Whitley Streeber.
It was a very politically intense book during the height of the Cold War, essentially warning about the danger of limited nuclear war at a time when elements of the U.S. government were actually beating the drum for a limited nuclear war because they thought that we would survive and the Russians would be destroyed.
And the point of the book was to remind people that limited nuclear war or any kind of nuclear war is a really serious business.
It did that, and it made a lot of people extremely angry.
I received, Ted Kennedy had backed the book on the floor of the Senate, had read parts of it, and had been a real partisan of the book.
And about six months before the communion experience, I received a telephone call from one of his aides warning me that someone in the government, I think he said it was Brent Scalcroft, I don't remember, it could have been any number of people, was gunning for me.
Meaning, I thought, one of those political tax audits, which I would receive shortly thereafter, but in any case, where basically the IRS is told by the politicians, screw around with this individual for a while.
And, you know, that's all the presidents say, oh, we would never do that.
They all do it.
I'm not a political partisan here at all.
I'm not saying the Democrats don't do it.
They do it.
I'm not saying the Republicans don't do it.
They do it.
And in any case, so that's what I was doing.
I was heavily involved in that kind of thing.
I hadn't thought about UFOs since I was a kid.
Well, I had eaten and breathed, lived and breathed that stuff for a while during the mid-50s.
One of the boys up the street's father was involved in what was then a famous UFO incident in Texas.
He saw a UFO in a field.
His car stopped, and the whole nine yards happened to him.
And we were just terribly excited about all of this, of course.
And this UFO was seen all over South Texas on that night, and it was a famous case.
And so I had known about it.
But by the time I was in high school, girls and school and getting a car and getting work and learning to drive and all that stuff had completely replaced the fantasies of boyhood.
Let me put it that way.
And by the time I was in early middle aged, raising my own child, working as a writer, very involved in politics and writing and all kinds of stuff at the time, this was not in my universe at all whatsoever.
Oh, like people talking and clangs and grunting and thuds and all kinds of things.
It was just noisy.
And so I opened my eyes and I did not know where I was.
I did not understand this.
I saw what I first thought was some kind of a tent.
Then a moment later I had a memory of sitting in the woods in the snow with these strange people and going up in an elevator where there was no elevator.
Something I remembered in a little bit more context when I was later hypnotized by a psychiatrist about this, which I'll get to in a little while.
Anyway, here I am in this situation and I'm trying to figure out, I'm trying to like make the bed reappear around me because that's where I'm supposed to be and I'm assuming it's a nightmare, a dream or something.
It's not real.
It can't be.
Then I see this thing.
It is.
It shoots past toward my feet, a dark blue thing.
Then a few moments later, I see what looks like a gigantic insect darting its face at me.
And I heard this voice off to the side saying this.
Then this blue creature that looked like a gigantic, it was almost frog-like.
It was strange with a blue uniform, a lot of flaps on it, like a jumpsuit of some kind, kind of like a working suit, comes up and starts to open a box that has a needle in it.
And by this time, I'm starting to shriek, and I get, I yell out something along the lines of, you're going to ruin a beautiful mind.
Are you going to ruin my mind?
Because it's getting ready to stick this thing in the side of my head, which it does do.
Well, I do have a vague, I had a vague memory the next morning of being carried by somebody, by people.
It had not yet occurred to me that anything, I mean, the next morning, but let me go, before we go into that, let me go back to where we were, because the next thing that happened was extraordinary and terrible.
I have subsequently learned a lot about what it was that happened, but what I initially felt was that I was, something was pushed into me anally, which has become a famous joke.
The joke about the rectal probe, that the South Park, I believe, one of those.
However, I would like to mention to the listeners, just in passing, those who are snickering happily at this story, that it took me more than 20 years to even tell my wife what the doctor had told me about five or six days afterwards when I had gone to him.
He told me, you have, Whitley, he said, you have been raped.
Those were his words.
And I was not able to say that.
As a result of which, I became a national laughingstock for having a race.
You didn't react to it as something funny when we first talked about this on the radio, which was very refreshing, because I had gone on television show and radio program, television show and radio program again and again and again for two or three years.
And every time I went on, I was laughed at for being raped.
And I was not in a good state psychologically by that time.
I wanted to do the same to some of the morons who had done this to me, who had been laughing at me.
And as I recall, the gentleman who writes South Park actually did an interview in which they bragged about having used me as a role model, but not in such a way that I could sue them.
But the first thing that happened was the next, not that day, but the day after.
First that night, as the night fell, I got very frightened.
And I decided that an owl had come into the house.
And it's sitting right beside me right now.
She probably remembers this very well.
She's nodding.
I said, I think maybe an owl got in during the night.
And she said, how could an owl get in?
And I realized that was true.
I mean, we didn't even have a chimney.
We had a wood stove.
But, you know, an owl's not going to come down the chimney of a wood stove that's lit.
And their windows were all shut, so no owl.
The night came, and it was terrible.
I could not sleep.
Finally, I got to sleep.
And the next day, I'm sitting there working, and I began to hurt.
My rectum starts to hurt.
My head starts to hurt.
And they're hurting a lot.
And I'm aware of the fact At this point, I have been in some way assaulted.
I just can't remember it clearly.
So I go to the doctor a couple days later, and he goes through this, he examines me, he says, well, this little thing on your head is probably a spider bite, so it looks like to me.
And then he says, he looks at me and examines me, and he says, well, you know, you do know that you've been raped.
And I thought, holy God, how can this be?
And then I immediately, that evening, driving back up to the country house from the doctor's office in New York, I began to remember that I had been in the woods with a group of people.
And I remembered one of them in particular was an old friend.
And I don't know if I've put this in communion or not.
It's in the new book, Solving the Community Enigma, because I got it figured out later.
And I remembered him in the woods.
So when I got home, I went and looked around in the woods trying to figure out it was very snowy.
I'd figure out some indication of where I had been or seen him or what.
No success.
And I began to think, you know, well, he joined, we were college friends.
He joined the Central Intelligence Agency.
I had heard from him off and on over the years, but not much.
And I thought to myself, my God, wait a minute.
The Kennedy guy says to me, they're gunning for me.
Now this happens.
Did somebody come in here and drug me?
Is that what happened?
And if so, this son of bitch knows about it.
So this is the, at this point I'm also, I start trying to get a hold of it.
I had his phone number in his home and can't get his disconnected.
And I forgot figures, you know, a bastard.
And I'm running after him.
It's a crime.
And at this point, I'd also, going down another path, my brother had given me a book about UFOs for Christmas.
And I was reading this book, and that got me to talking to Bud Hopkins, who was a huge UFO investigator at the time.
And he introduced me.
He wanted to hypnotize me.
And I said, oh, no, forget it.
If anyone hypnotizes me, it has to be a true professional.
So to his credit, he found Dr. Donald Klein, who was the head of the New York State Department of Psychiatry at the time, and had been a forensic hypnotist for years.
At that point in his career, he'd solved over 70 cases using memory-based hypnosis.
Of course, after Communion came out, there were hundreds of media stories about how hypnosis is this and hypnosis is that.
All crap.
It works perfectly well forensically.
It's worked forensically for years, and it is a perfectly adequate means of recovering lost memories.
Okay, that said, one of the best professionals in the world would hypnotize me shortly thereafter.
But anyway, getting back to this business with a friend.
Then start with MRI scans, with tests for temporal lobe epilepsy, with every kind of test you could imagine.
I even took lie detector tests to see if I was lying to myself.
And in the end, I was left face to face with the unknown.
I had to face the fact that I did not know what happened to me, and that damned crazy as it seemed, Bud Hopkins' explanation was the best one out there.
I took two of them from the guy who did lie detector tests for the New York City Police Department.
And then I took another for the BBC in London because they wouldn't let me go on the BBC unless I took a lie detector test and signed a document stating that no matter the outcome, I would go on the air with it.
And I passed that one too.
I passed all the tests.
My MRIs were normal.
I did not have temporal lobe epilepsy.
Although a few years later, apparently, I've been led to believe it might have been the U.S. Air Force and some of their little social engineering projects that they should not be engaging in, but probably do, placed a fake story in Parade magazine saying that I had admitted I had temporal lobe epilepsy and made a big contribution to the Epilepsy Foundation.
They did that right before I put out my book, Confirmation, which was critical of the Air Force for keeping secrets it should not keep, in my opinion.
And so that was out there.
In any case, I didn't have any diseases.
I was perfectly healthy.
I didn't even have high blood pressure.
There was one thing that was noticed, and that was I took an extensive bank of psychological tests, and the psychologist said, you are under extreme tension.
You are under very high levels of stress, and you should definitely do something about that, because this level of stress that you're under, which is showing up in these tests, is not normal, even for a person who is in a stressful situation.
It's most unusual.
And ten years later, I took the same test, and I was still under the same stress.
I guess I'm good at handling stress.
In any case, so at this point, I became very compulsive about this thing.
I started going out into the woods at night from the house with my wife terrified of what might happen to me and neither one of us understanding what was going on, very frightened for our child.
But I couldn't stop.
I couldn't stop going to the country house.
I couldn't stop going in the woods.
She would not let me go up alone.
And eventually, along about March or April, these little creatures started to come back.
Well, we had, initially, I had, when I thought I was going insane, I tried to get her to divorce me, and we had fights.
Anne is an incredibly courageous person.
Anne is a, she fought for her marriage, she fought for my sanity, and when she realized what was really going on, she fought and has continued to fight to this day on behalf of this truth.
And when we started to get mail after communion came out back in the letter days when there were still letters and people weren't just dashing off emails all the time.
There were real letters, physical letters.
We got them by the bag full, by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, finally by the hundreds of thousands over a period of 20 years.
Again and again and again, people telling their stories from all over the world.
And Anne is a speed reader.
She's very brilliant.
She read these letters.
She read them all.
She created a chart which she kept on the wall in her office.
And on that chart, eventually there appeared the phrase, which has gotten me in a lot of trouble with the UFO community.
They want this to be aliens and silvered flying saucers from another planet who are coming and sampling our DNA and whatever else they're doing.
She said, and I'm quoting her, this has something to do with what we call death.
And here's why she said that.
I am not the only person to see a dead friend in connection with this experience.
That's commonplace.
You'll never hear that from the UFO investigators, but it's commonplace.
It's ordinary.
It is in letter after letter after letter.
And when we began to have groups of people up at our cabin and had group experiences, very complex experiences with these visitors, they showed up.
Well, let me tell you a story, because that's how I live and how I communicate in stories, as you know.
Sure, sure.
Okay.
I am sitting in my office one day.
Phone rings.
It's my agents, William Morris's agency in New York.
They say there is a man desperately trying to get a hold of you, Mr. Streeber.
And I thought to myself, he said he's a member of the public, and I thought, you know, I'm pretty well hidden.
If this guy has found my literary agency, he's trying real hard, and there must be, he says it's terribly important, and he's desperate.
So I call him.
He tells me this story.
He and his wife are in their bedroom, I mean in their living room.
Their old dog is asleep on the hearth.
It's night, 10 o'clock or so at night.
Suddenly, the dog becomes very agitated.
And the dog needs to go out again, the second time.
Very unusual for this dog.
The wife takes the dog out.
As she's opening the front door, she sees a fireball race off across the sky and disappear beyond the pine trees around their house.
She turns back to her husband and says, I just saw a plane going down in flames.
You're going to get a call because he's with the FAA.
At that moment, their little seven-year-old boy comes running downstairs saying, Mommy, Daddy, Mommy, Daddy, little blue men, note this, little blue men, familiar?
Yeah, I had seen them.
Little blue men, same guys, came into my room and they had Bobby, his older brother, with them.
And he said to tell you he's all right.
This is why this desperate father had made this call.
The boy, the older boy, the teenager, had died in an auto accident the week before.
He wanted to know and he asked me, can you tell me if anyone else has ever had an experience remotely like this?
That all of these cherished beliefs we have about heavens and hells or the Bill Maher conceit that this is it and we don't have to worry about it anymore.
When we die, we're dead.
We're just pieces of meat.
All of that, all of it, both the believers and the non-believers, it's all out the window.
Because the truth is, we do have an afterlife, but we don't know a thing about it.
We don't have the straight story in any way, in my opinion, judging from what I have seen and heard myself and seen and heard from thousands of other witnesses.
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All right, with us tonight is Whitley Streever.
And his story is, you know, on the one hand, I want to say like no other, and really it is like no other, except Whitley's telling you, and I'm telling you, that many others have experienced some portion of or what he did.
So it's not as uncommon as you think.
But it is scary.
This is Dark Matter.
unidentified
I can feel it calling in the air tonight.
Oh, Lord.
And I've been waiting for this moment for all my life.
Oh Lord.
My love is alive.
My love is alive.
Yes, yeah.
Dark Matter, much like SiriusXM, is all around you.
Just make note of the number, and I'll let you know when we're going to go to the lives.
My guest is Whitley Streeber, and I've got to tell you, I've sat and I've thought about this in the last few moments, and if what had happened to Whitley happened to me, I'm not at all sure that I would have come forward.
I guess I would have gone to the doctor.
I would have chased that guy who we now learned had actually died earlier.
But maybe that's where I would have stopped.
I don't know that I would have been going into the woods nightly.
I don't know that I would have told a soul save perhaps my wife.
I really thought hard about this.
I don't think that I would have told people this story.
Well, what you just told me about death, the association with death really got to me.
And here's somebody, Tim, is sending me a message who says, is it possible, could there be a connection with John Lear's assertion that aliens are using the soul catcher technology when humans pass on?
Well, one thing, a couple of things are very clear.
One is there is a lot of this connection and a lot of reports from not only from people who had encounters with their dead friends and relatives at my cabin in the context of contact with the Grays, but also in the letters.
And there aren't any where there are any people from the other side who are desperate for help or screaming that they've been trapped or anything like that.
Of course, if there's some that have been trapped, then we're obviously not going to know, we're not going to hear from them because they're trapped.
But let me give you an example.
And this is someone who's been on the air with me, and she's mentioned by name in my book, In Solving Community Enigma.
She's borne witness to this.
Both of these people whose names I'll mention have many times.
These are not people who are shy about this at all.
First one is Lori Barnes.
Lori is a, and has, my wife is, she doesn't realize it.
She's got a, she's a psychic, but she's a non-aware of her psychic powers, psychic.
And she got Lori, she was reading the letters, and she said suddenly, I need a secretary, and this lady is going to be the secretary.
It turned out she lived in Manhattan across the street from us.
And she was also an excellent secretary.
So she came into our life.
Ann brought her in, and they worked on the letters together for years.
And she'd come up to the cabin.
And one time, Anne said, I'm going to get a group of people up at the cabin who will come together, and the visitors are going to come when they're there.
And so she got Ann, she got Laurie Barnes, she got another lady called Raven Dana, who'd had a lot of contact experiences, a number of other people.
And this was the second big group we'd had up there.
So we knew it could work.
And the first thing that happened in that was in the late afternoon, Laurie's out walking on the road by herself.
And suddenly, she sees a man standing in the road.
It's her brother.
Now, this is something big in her life because her brother's disappeared from the face of the earth 20 years before, and the FBI had given up on the case.
And suddenly, there he is standing in the road, and she says, you're back.
He's wearing this sort of brown cowl-like thing, which immediately sort of brings up, makes her think this is not a normal experience.
And he says, I just wanted to tell you that I'm fine.
Whereupon, he lifts off and sort of floats back into the woods and disappears.
She comes back to the house in what could be described as a state of agitation and tells the story.
We're all fascinated.
But it's typical of the story.
You notice the boy in the house, the story I told earlier, tell mom and dad I'm all right.
I just want you to know I'm all right.
Another case at the cabin, this was in another very complex experience with the 17 people in the cabin, including a magazine editor from a big magazine, who has promised that if the visitors show up, he will write about it in his magazine.
They do show up, he does see them, then he says, I can't write about it, it'll ruin my career.
And I find it very disturbing that we can't, we are collectively kind of turned away from the truth.
But once you face the truth, it feels so good and so right.
But anyway, let's go back to Lori and to these other incidents.
This next incident happened before Lori.
The visitors show up in the living room while the magazine editor and three other people are lying there on couches in the cots, not asleep, of course.
I mean, who's going to sleep on a night like that?
Obviously, it's about 2 o'clock in the morning.
And suddenly one of them says, I can't move.
And they all can't move, but they can still talk.
And there are the blue guys are in there jumping around like the flying Karamatzov brothers jumping around in the living room.
Meanwhile, down in the basement, there's a couple in a more private context because they're recently married young couple, as I recall.
And they wake up because the room is filled with light suddenly.
And there standing at the foot of the bed is a friend of theirs from Mexico, who one of them was Mexican.
And from Mexico, who had died in the Mexico City earthquake of 1983, and this was like 1988 or 89.
And she says, I'd like you to know that I'm all right.
And as it's going over, he realizes this is not a real airplane.
The engines aren't real.
They're solid.
something is very wrong here.
And he slows down.
He starts to pull over because he's in shock.
He doesn't, does anybody else see it?
Then he sees cars parked on the roadside.
He says, yes, people have seen this thing.
He gets out and he sees this strange thing on the roadside, up on a little berm above the road, like a billboard with strange symbols passing across it like one of those lighted signs in Times Square.
And there are people walking through the dark under it.
And they're kind of beginning to gather and stand in a circle.
And he's, well, what the hell?
He goes over there, and they are standing there, and he starts to try to join the circle.
All of a sudden, he finds himself surrounded by these short, very dark blue figures who strike him as being tough as nails.
And yes, I agree with that.
I've had some experiences with them.
These guys are not fooling around.
They may fool with the soul, but they're not fooling around.
And one of them snarls at him and says, get out of here.
With regard to what I saw, the only thing that made me feel better, and I did, I made the decision to tell it first and went on the air with it and all the rest of it.
What made me feel better was that within a week, a newspaper article came out saying that I wasn't the only one, that people all across the valley had seen this same mysterious craft.
And oh, they said it was a C-130, which was ridiculous.
But, you know, to hear that other people saw it made me feel so good.
She's now, at this point in her life, she's a young woman.
She's pregnant.
She's at home alone one night.
Her husband is an entertainer.
He works at night.
And all of a sudden, she hears a noise and looks up, and to her horror, these little dark blue figures are standing in a row, in a line beside her bed.
Horrible creatures, like frog-like.
You know what they remind me of?
Remember the movie Ghost?
The person who wrote that movie had an unconscious knowledge of these creatures because the creatures that come up in that movie are like these guys.
Could it be possible that these abductees aren't seeing deceased people, but could it be that the abductors are using their memories to calm them somehow during this experience?
But this all was out of my life, as I said before, from the time of about 12 until it happened again in 1985.
So, but Anne and I, when we were working on solving community enigma, we were going over the things that had happened in our life together, and I realized something.
This started up again as soon as we met and got together.
That was the catalyst for it starting up again.
And it started very strangely and very subtly with some odd experiences.
We lived on West 55th Street in Manhattan in an area called Clinton that was pretty ramshackle in those days.
We had no money.
I mean, we were a couple of just broke kids.
And yeah, I'm sure it's a familiar experience for you and many others.
Anyway, we had a stereo, and it was on one night, but not playing anything.
It was just, you know, the tuner was on, which you sometimes leave the tuner on.
And suddenly a voice came out of the tuner and started talking to us.
And there was a brief exchange of sort of banal exchange, like it said, hello, and I said, hello.
And it said something like, how are you?
It was a male voice, young male voice.
And I said, I'm fine.
Who is this?
And then it said, I know something else about you.
I said, what?
And it was just silent.
Nothing more said.
Then a couple of days later, I was going up in the elevator.
And this kind of, this lady, she never struck me as crazy or anything, who lived in the building, was in it.
And she was all sort of hunched up.
She looked very uneasy.
And she was coming up from the basement where there was a laundry room.
And she said, there's something wrong with somebody living in this building.
He looks like a corpse.
Oh, boy, that's all we need.
And so I go on upstairs, and then I sort of forget about it.
That night, I hear this strange kind of, like someone rubbing on our door, sort of like they're rubbing their hands on the door and it's making this kind of hissing sound and that goes away after a while.
And finally, and it's been quiet for a while, I hear voices, and I open the door and I look out and there's this blood on the wall, a streak of blood, like a long, you know, fingerprints of blood going down the stairwell.
And I follow it all the way down to the bottom floor where there's a crowd of people from the other floors who have seen it, all come in and out and seen this.
And they've all gone down into the lobby.
And the cops show up.
And they try to question our superintendent who spoke no language.
He didn't speak either.
He sounded like he, to a person who spoke English, he sounded like someone with a very thick Spanish accent.
But to someone who spoke Spanish, he didn't speak Spanish either.
So we all knew that, but the cops didn't.
They couldn't get anything out of him.
And finally, the cop that spoke Spanish says, he doesn't speak any language, does he?
He said, no, we say he does not.
Anyway, it was never figured out.
They cleaned up the building.
But then, a couple of nights later, I'm going to put out the trash, and I hear this noise from the floor below, this sort of funny noise.
It was like a noise.
I go down there, and coming around the corner is this apparition.
It is like rotted.
The teeth are showing like the, you know, like a person's been dead for a couple of months.
And the teeth are, it's just unbelievably frightening looking, sort of jerking itself along, coming along the hallway.
And I run upstairs immediately.
And a second later, it's in our hallway.
I run and I close the door.
It's locked the door.
And the door is sort of pushed against for a while.
And you find this, I found this in talking to a lot of the people who wrote these extraordinary letters.
When it happens to you, it feels ordinary.
And it happened to me.
It happened to people in my building.
It was weird, but, you know, we were living in it.
We were with it.
We were in it.
We were kind of living with it.
And we, anyway, what happened was I went out in the alley to look up because they had come out of the apartment immediately below ours, I was pretty sure.
And the apartment was boarded, the windows were boarded up from the inside.
You could see there was plywood on all the windows.
And so I call a landlord, and I say there's this very unpleasant and weird person living in here.
He's boarded up all of his windows.
I want to know what's going on.
And he said, this apartment below you, I said, yeah, 7H.
He says, there's nobody living there.
It's empty.
It's vacant right now.
I said, no, it's not.
There's somebody living in there, and they boarded up the windows.
He said, no.
He said, all right, I'll send someone over there today, and we will clean this place up.
They get in there.
It's a mess, apparently.
The windows are all boarded up.
There has been someone living there.
They are not there Now they unboard the windows, they clean the place up, and eventually it's rented again.
And, you know, it just occurred to me when somebody named Ira sent me a wormhole message that said, isn't that what they did in contact by using Ellie's father?
Yeah, smaller than you think, and with capabilities that you do not expect.
I'll give you an example.
One of the buildings, one of the houses in our little neighborhood where our cabin was, there were about six or seven other houses there at the time.
It was just being developed.
And there are now about 12 houses.
It wasn't a very big development.
But in any case, the house is just being closed up and finished up.
Finished out, as they say.
Roof's been put on it.
And one of the workmen's got all of his tools in there.
So he decides he's going to stay in there for the night with his tools because he can't move them out until the morning because there's a big lot of tools and his co-worker has got the truck, so he's there with his car.
And he stays there the night.
He is awakened in the middle of the night, and he's horrified to see this little creature in the room, in the same type of creature that Raven Dana would see in our cabin a little while, right, years later.
Which is a story I haven't told yet, but we'll get to.
In any case, he sees this thing, and it's about three feet tall with the big eyes, and it's standing there like a deer caught in headlights.
He experiences a terrific burst of fear, which you can understand, I mean, because an animal, unlike any animal he has ever seen before, is inside the house with him in the middle of the night, and he's all alone.
And not only that, it's dark and he can't see it all that well.
He grabs his flashlight and turns the flashlight on, shines it on this thing for a couple of seconds, whereupon it turns into what looks to him like a bird of paradise, a bird.
That happened in our cabin too, but it was a different type of bird.
And it disappears by going straight out through the closed doors, right through the glass without breaking it.
Tools or no tools.
He gets in his car and goes home.
Immediately later, he came the next day and got his tools.
He told me this story after he read Communion.
And I might say, incidentally, speaking of that, on the night it happened, there was a witness.
This I did not know until years after the book was published.
I wish I had known.
The witness was a friend who lived in the same area.
He was the guy who was building the houses, a good friend at the time, in fact.
He and his wife were coming home from a party.
This was during Christmas time, and there were a lot of parties, at about 2 o'clock in the morning.
And they saw in a field near our houses what looked to him like the Goodyear blimp down in a field.
And here he is a state trooper.
So he figures, I'm going to stop, and this thing has crashed.
I'm going to stop and help.
See if I can help anybody.
Pulls over, goes out into the field, and he begins to hear someone screaming inside this thing.
So he starts to run toward it.
All of a sudden, it's lit with bright lights.
He can no longer hear the screaming, and it starts coming toward him, making a growling noise.
And his wife goes into a hissy fit and completely freaks out in the car, of course.
I mean, as you want to understand.
And he figures, this is perhaps not for me, after all, since it seems to be under control.
And he goes back to the car and he drives away.
He reads Communion about a year later.
And about a year after that, he says to me, you know, Whitley, I've got to tell you something I'm very ashamed to tell you about, but I was there on the night this happened to you.
I had just turned out the light when I noticed a figure standing in the doorway of the room, which was at the foot of the bed, about 10 feet across or 15 feet across the bedroom.
Now, the situation is this.
This is a new cabin, bigger.
There is a bank of light switches beside the bed, which I can flip on and completely flood the outside of the cabin with floodlights all around the cabin.
Underneath the bed is a loaded Benelli riot gun.
In the bedside table is a little pistol, an AMT backup.
A difficult pistol to use, but I do know how to use it.
I know both of my weapons, and I know how to use them.
And I'm willing.
So I see these two people.
I've just turned out the light within a few minutes.
Standing up.
People, people, a woman, and behind her, a man.
They are standing there.
And now, but this time I was not afraid of the little gray guys.
I would not have thought of, I was meditating with them and stuff.
I would not have dreamed of coming after them with a gun.
But this was people, and I was scared because I figured someone's coming after me, which had already happened a number of times.
And I hear in the backyard a voice say, very quietly, condition red.
Oh, I forgot.
I was disturbed by the sound of gravel crunching in the driveway right before all of this happened.
The sound of a car moving silently toward the house.
In other words, someone who had gotten past our locked gate and fencing and everything.
And that was not good news.
So I was ready to turn on the lights when I saw the people.
Then I decided, change of plan, go for the shotgun.
The next moment, I'm lying on my side, literally, had been going for the shotgun, and I can't move, and I can't see.
I can still hear and I can still feel.
The woman's voice is saying something gentle and soothing.
I don't know what it was.
I've never been able to remember it.
The man, apparently the man, I assume it was the man, is pressing something against the side of my head and pushing it down like into the, he's pressing against my left temple and ear and almost pushing my head down into the pillow.
Then it ends and I leap up, grab the shotgun.
There's all this crashing in the woods.
There's a big flash of light.
I turn on all the floods.
I grab the shotgun.
The alarm system is still armed.
It's still red.
It's not been disturbed.
I run through the whole house.
I even go up through the attic.
I do everything.
Down in the basement.
Nothing.
Every window is closed.
Every door is locked.
I finally go back to bed thinking there must have been some kind of bizarre, vivid nightmare or something.
I'm always the type of person who always looks for one of these ordinary explanations, even though I don't get those much.
Anyway, I sort of sleep, get up in the morning, tell Ann the story, start to go out and get the paper.
I usually drive out and get the paper every morning, to a little newsstand, a couple miles away.
So I get in the car.
I notice immediately that the garage door is wide open, even though the alarm system is still armed.
I disarm the system.
I get in the car.
The car is filled with static electricity.
I think it is probably going to blow up on me.
I jump out of the car again and run back into the house.
Everything seems okay then.
The car gets okay after a few minutes, 15 or 20 minutes.
I call the alarm guy and I say there's something wrong with the system.
The garage door was wide open, but the alarm was not, it didn't sound accurate.
He comes over immediately.
He's a friend.
We know each other pretty well.
He comes over and he tests the system and there's this enormously powerful magnetic field around the switch on the garage door.
The thing is, a magnetic field has to be generated by something.
It's not like a radio wave.
But there's nothing there.
There's nothing there except this little dinky magnet that's part of the switch.
And it's like the magnet has been just supercharged somehow.
And we can't figure it out.
He finally shifts it out, puts in a new thing in the system.
It's working fine.
Not quite the end of the story.
Here's what happens next.
A couple days later, my ear starts hurting, and I feel my ear.
It turned on at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio in the presence of the director of materials science, Dr. William Mallow, who saw it happen.
He saw it.
He rushed me into a signals acquisition laboratory.
And they said they didn't pick up any signal from it.
But the problem is the lab is funded more than 50% by the Central Intelligence, by the intelligence community.
So who knows whether they picked up anything or not?
They wouldn't necessarily be able to even tell me.
And they both came on together and said, look, we opened up Whitley, his ear, and we went after this thing.
And I know that I'm not exaggerating when I say the surgeon told us on air that as they approached this item, when they had you open, and he took the scalpel and went to actually cut where this thing was and remove it, and the damn thing moved.
A couple days later, the pathologist called him up.
Now, at this point, this is still in the down in the bottom of me right here.
Understand, when it was put in, there was no scar whatsoever.
There was no incision mark.
There was nothing to do afterwards.
It was just as smooth.
It's like I'm feeling it right now as we're talking.
It's still there.
Anyway, the pathologist calls him and says, is this a practical joke?
He says, no, it came out of a patient.
He says, because this is not natural.
This is a piece of technology.
It's a piece of meta.
It has a metallic base, and there are cilia, a proteinaceous material growing out of that base.
And these cilia are motile.
They were moving.
They weren't anymore, but they had been, he thought.
And, of course, the cilia were what may enabled it to move.
Now, a couple days later, it had moved from the earlobe back up into the top of my ear, where it had remained to this day, because I got afraid of taking it out again, despite Roger Lear's many, many efforts to get me to take it out, try to take it out again.
So, you know, the surgeon came on and told me all about it.
That's pretty strong evidence in my mind, along with Dr. Roger Lear.
I mean, very, very strong evidence.
This is just strange stuff.
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But then there followed the many years, which you are aware of, of not making any money at all because once South Park's pilot came out, my sales ended because nobody wants to buy a book by a guy who is a laughingstock.
Nobody.
The result is my sales dropped the first year after it came out 70%.
Now, by looking back, I'm down on an average book, I sell about 3% of what I sold before I wrote Communion, before I even published Communion.
Nobody bought Solving a Communion Enigma, and nobody will, because it's by Whitley Straeber.
I'm hoping that people will be interested enough in Alien Hunter to buy it.
It's a wonderful book.
I'm hoping they will change their minds and buy Alien Hunter and realize that just because you're telling the truth doesn't mean you should be tuned out.
I mean, you remember in the old days I would come on that show, on your show, literally desperate to do something that would make a little bit of money so that I could keep my roof over my head.
I mean, we went from being wealthy, wealthy writer, that I write communion.
That lasts for a few years, and the whole thing is in a shambles because I wrote communion.
It wasn't hurtful so much as infuriating because, you know, these books, Communion, Transformation, Breakthrough, The Secret School, Confirmation, Solving, Communion Enigma, they're true.
And you'd think people would eat that up, but they run away from it.
But you put out some UFO book that's full of lies, and it becomes a bestseller.
And then they realized, oh, no, he's telling the truth.
We can't buy those anymore.
But that's not quite right.
People get fooled and by experts.
There are people in the government, and I think outside of it, too, called social engineers who are social scientists.
If you go on YouTube, you can find some of their work very easily.
And look at UFO videos on YouTube.
The better videos will have these real internet troll type of comments on them.
And often, if you click on that individual, you'll find he's just a name.
He's never done anything else.
He's just sitting there.
And he's been put there by a social engineer.
He's not real.
It's not a real person.
For the purpose of creating the impression that the public thinks this is all ridiculous.
But the public does not think that.
The public is willing, ready, and able to listen.
But they don't get the chance.
Like Solving Community Neighborhood.
You'd never see it in a bookstore because the bookstore owners believe Whitley Striever created a lyric hoax.
He's a liar.
He doesn't deserve to be on our shelves.
They've been duped.
They're the victims of social engineering.
Victims.
Because remember this.
You know, the disclosure people always say, well, we're going to get disclosure.
We're going to do this.
Forget it.
It is never going to happen.
And I'll tell you why.
I told them this.
There's one of them out there.
I won't say the name.
It's not Steve Greer who tries to pretend that the abductees and the closing counter witnesses don't exist.
I told this individual, I said, look, this is what will happen.
This individual is trying to get a statement from NASA where they will say simply that some of the objects that are observed in the sky may be under intelligent control.
Not even that they're aliens.
Not anything like that.
And I said, it's never going to happen.
Because no matter what they say, they are exactly two steps away from the question, well, what about these people who say they are being abducted?
And that is a question the government does not want to deal with.
Because the answer is, we can't stop it.
And we're not going to tell you what it is, even if we did know and we don't know.
I'm one of these people that have never had one of these experiences, and I'm kind of curious, is there a specific type of person that has them, or can anybody have them?
Well, that's actually a reasonable question, and I stand corrected because I thought that you were going to come after me.
And that's a very good question.
And I have part of an answer.
And this is what it is.
That when you get a large group of these people together, you find out something very interesting about them.
They're all very mild-mannered.
The ones I've had take IQ tests are generally pretty smart.
They're generally not all that well-educated.
In other words, they don't have college degrees, et cetera, and so forth.
So they're bright people, kind of in the ordinary walk of life, and they're mild people.
They're not the kind of people you would expect to have a fight.
I'm one of the more belligerent ones, actually.
But in any case, that would be one thing.
And another thing is this.
And we noticed this when we were working with the letters.
We'd make long lists of the names of these people.
And there were an awful lot of Irish and Scottish type names in there.
And we found that the groups of people who this happened most often to were people of Celtic descent, people of Native American descent, people of Jewish descent, and people of black descent.
One time I was with a black family.
They had five generations with a great-great-grandmother over 100 years old, all of whom had experiences.
I talked to you back in 01 in Hawaii, and you had called me about some films I sent you, and I just wanted to thank you for being so personable and hospitable about it.
You and Ann had looked at them, and I've had several encounters, and a lot of films went here, there, and everywhere.
And you were the only one that responded.
And I appreciate that.
And in 2007, my son and I moved back to East Texas, and I had a face-to-face encounter with a giant Bigfoot.
And you talked about people laughing and making fun of you.
I know exactly what you're saying.
It just happens to me.
I just kind of keep it under my wraps here.
But I just wanted to touch face with you.
And I love you.
I love your work.
I understand where you've been and what you're doing as much as I possibly can.
And is there, I mean, have you thought of maybe of alternative ways of possibly like freezing, I'm not saying, like before the surgery, you know, somehow immobilizing it to where it could get freezing?
My little brother, my mother, one day, I grew up in Sturgis, Michigan, and we grew up on about two acres of property with multiple cornfields around us.
And he was six years old.
And my other brothers and I, I've got four brothers.
We were all at school.
And my mom was out hanging laundry.
And she had seen like a dark shadow or something like that, excuse me, or something.
But we had a bunch of walnut trees and everything in our yard.
So she just thought it was maybe clouds or something casting a shadow.
And something told her something, you know, wasn't right.
I don't know.
I can't remember exactly how she described it.
She looked to her left, and my little brother William always, always stood by her side and wanted to help with the laundry, but he was gone.
And she couldn't find him.
Well, she ran around like some brush that's in our yard and stuff like that, and there he was staring up at the sky.
She went over there and told him not to run away anymore.
I took the book and I put it on the counter and I was looking at it and I go, oh, what is that?
And I was like, oh, I've seen those on television, you know.
That's an alien or something, you know, whatever.
And I made a comment about it to my mom, and then we didn't think anything of it, you know, put the groceries away and stuff like that.
And then all of a sudden, we were all, you know, kind of like walking through, and my little brother was staring at it.
He was laughing.
And he said, I know that man.
And this is a true story.
I'm 43 years old.
I don't tell lies.
And I've never seen any UFOs in my life.
But come to find out, when my little brother took off from my mom's side that day, there was a craft in the air, and he said that he saw that man in that craft.
I really, Woodley, I just don't think that people are going to, no matter how we tell it, they're just going to be too uncomfortable to accept it, particularly in the way you've laid it out with the dead.
Yeah, it is sort of the same track, except it's a very negative reference to it.
And I'm not so sure that it is all that negative.
I mean, I think that if you've got heavy things on your soul, you should think carefully about that.
You know, my wife's on our website, she's been really working on, she had a near-death experience in 2004 that taught her that you need to give up the burdens of life, the hates and the angers and all those things.
And she's written some beautiful diaries in the Anne's Diary section of unknowncountry.com about forgiveness and how to forgive yourself and others.
And I think that's a very important part of this whole experience of being human.
But, you know, I think if we die heavy, it's not so good.
I think we should die as light as we can when our time comes.
I think that's part of the message of our experience, certainly in my experience, and maybe part of what our message about the soul is about, that the soul is very real and it is why we're here and we need to live compassionate and forgiving lives.
We were able to get these beings, and there's two types that are in my life.
A third type also, I will say, these tall, blonde creatures.
But that's another story, part of my story.
In any case, the two that are the most alien-looking are these little short, very short, dark blue creatures and the very fragile, gray-colored creatures with the big eyes.
There's two different types.
And they often come together.
And in my life and in the lives of many, many other close encounter witnesses.
Now, Anne was able to a couple of times, two or three times, to get groups of people to the cabin, and they would, the visitors showed up definitely in no questions whatsoever about it, in complex, elaborate experiences that were not hallucinations or dreams on anybody's part.
And Art, the answer to that question is very hard for me also.
Why didn't I immediately sell the cabin or burn the damn thing down and never go back?
I don't know why I am compelled to do this, except that I just need sense, and I can't get away from this, that it's about the truth and it's terribly important, and I won't quit.
I keep hoping that at some time in the future, maybe long after I'm gone, just like Bud Hopkins used to hope, that this will come into focus in some way, and that all of the effort that I have expended and that others, so many others have expended, and that the struggles that the close encounter witnesses have had in their lives will all turn out to be worth it.
That we will turn out to have created a foundation that the future can build on.
It's hard to even understand why somebody would be compelled to continue to seek this out after everything he described.
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Whitley, this summer, I listened to an interview you did with a gentleman by the name of, I believe, David Politis.
Yes.
It made me go out and buy all three of his books, and you wrote, I think, the four to the third one.
And it was a terrifying interview.
It was very interesting material.
And I was just wondering, since you kind of took that on and obviously seemed interested in supporting this gentleman, do you have any thoughts to maybe people who go missing are involved in some of what you've experienced?
I have thought that there are some people who maybe go into this and don't come back.
That has concerned me a lot.
And while David's stories don't have any...
There's nothing in any of them that would indicate that that does happen.
I just...
You know, in other words, I have a feeling that there may be some people who go deeply into this.
I know a few cases of people who have gone into it in another way, who have kind of the visitors have come deep into their lives and they kind of roll up the carpet.
In other words, they go way back in the woods and live very simply and quietly by themselves because, you know, Arg, you've been talking about how this is so scary and so on and so forth.
But there's another side to this, and that's that once you get past the hard stuff, if you do, which I eventually did, obviously, I wouldn't have kept doing it, it becomes like being part of a larger world.
It's an extraordinary and beautiful experience.
on the one hand, now, on the other hand, one of the stories that David has in one of his books took place.
A young guy, kid, was out partying in the woods at night, and when the party was over and everybody had gone home, he was no longer there.
He was gone, and he stayed gone.
There's never been a trace of him found.
That happened a couple of miles from the cabin where I used to go out in the woods all the time and meet the visitors.
Not only that, it happened apparently on or very close to an incident where they were trying very hard to get me to come with them, and I wouldn't do it.
I decided, well, I'll tell you exactly what happened.
I had made a plan with them.
And it wasn't like sitting across a table and talking to someone.
It happened in your head, and it felt like your imagination.
But at the same time, then it would become real.
And I had gotten to the point where I was used to that.
I was handling that pretty well.
And the plan was that they would call me.
And I even built a bench in a certain place in the woods where I would go sit, and one of them would come sit beside me, and we would talk.
That was the idea.
And the call came just at dawn one February morning in the cold, in the form of a sound like a trumpet echoing across the woods and waking me up in the cabin.
I knew what it was immediately.
I mean, there was nothing else that was going to make that noise like that.
And I'd never heard it before, but it was just so otherworldly.
It was obviously something to do with them.
So I threw on my slippers.
I had a pair of good thick slippers and a big robe.
And I went out into the woods.
And to do that, you had to go over a deck and then cross a yard and then up a little rise.
And then beyond the rise was a woods, and then beyond that, the clearing where the first experience had taken place, I was pretty sure.
So I go up on the little rise, and I can see through the naked winter woods an object, a big dark object in that clearing.
And I can see a couple of figures standing near it.
And I can hear it.
It's making a clanking noise.
And that clanking noise is very familiar because when these things slow down, I mean, people think of flying saucer.
Oh, I must make a, you know, very otherworldly whirring noise.
Believe me, it's all much more down-to-earth when you're close to it than you would think.
In any case, it was there.
And I thought, oh, my, they are here.
It's going to happen.
And I started to walk down into the woods, and I stopped for a second, and I heard this voice.
It was these blue guys again, the tough ones, going, come on, come on.
And I thought to myself, if I walk down there and I never come back, what happens to my family, my son and my wife's lying there in the bed and what she's going through and she goes through every night when I go out and she won't talk about, but she won't stop me, but I know she lives in a kind of hell because of this.
When I put my hand on the doorknob to walk into the house, there came from above the woods three cries.
The sounds remain, to this day, the most emotional, most beautiful, most heart-rending sounds I have ever heard, and also the most perfectly executed sounds.
They were so perfectly timed together, and it's hard to explain this, but they were like hearing something perfect, like a voice of perfection.
And so much so that I love classical music.
I couldn't listen to it for nearly a year afterwards.
It sounded like mud compared to that little second of those sounds.
So beautiful, so filled with regret, so filled with emotion.
And then I find out a little while later, this kid just disappeared down the road.
That's why we call them the grays, because it is a gray area.
It has a dark side to it, and it has a light side to it.
I went through the dark tunnel of this thing, through the dark labyrinth, and on the other side, I came to a level of it which was richly educational, informative, and transformative.
And, you know, the man, the wonderful man who wrote the introduction to solving the communion enigma, Jeff Kreipel.
Jeff is a religious scholar of the first rank and he said to me, he said, Whitley, what you need to understand about this is there is such a thing as the dangerous sacred.
He is the chairman of religious studies at Rice University.
And he said, you have to understand this, that it is not all sweetness and light just because there is an element of holiness about it.
Contact, listen, if contact became general all over the earth, that would mean that it was demonic because we are not going to be able to take it.
It's hard to take, terribly hard to take, even when you've had it in your life for years.
The most recent time the visitors showed up in my life in this apartment was an incredibly, in where I live now in California, incredibly beautiful, devastatingly difficult experience because they are just so alive and so powerful.
They're physically small, but, you know, it's like an elephant trying to deal with an ant in terms of the mental power of it.
And it's just overwhelming.
It's hard.
The emotional, towering, emotional complexity and intensity, the breathtaking scope of the mind, it's appalling.
And, you know, I'm telling you right now, I can take it for a few minutes.
I know people who can take it for longer.
But when I see these things about supposed Air Force people interviewing the aliens and stuff, I think to myself, come on, what B S is this?
These people have no idea what this is really about.
As far as I was concerned, that was how I was answering that question.
I don't remember specifically talking to John Lear about it, but I did often and have often said that I would recommend going into the dark if you want to find out what the truth is, because the truth is in the dark.
I can well believe that that would be said, and it sounds like something that might occur to me to say, and that I may have said, because I think it might be true.
You know, if it's bothering him and if he's still got it in there and it's irritating him, go to the doctor and say to the doctor, I've got something in my neck.
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But is there anything, and we've got very little time, but I want to ask if there's anything you wanted to get in tonight that you didn't, or anything you want to add, or websites you want to plug or books?
Well, he's written, he's incredibly brilliant and well-educated in things like the, he has deep knowledge of the occult and not as a participant.
He's not a pro-occult person at all.
He wrote a book called Sinister, a series of four books called Sinister Forces that are about the occult influence on America, the American government, and the Nazi-U.S.
government connection, which runs very, very deep, and which I was exposed to as a child.
And you'll find that story in the Communion Enigma book, Solving the Communion Enigma.
The last thing I would want to say is this.
I am a writer.
Read my books.
Read Solving the Communion Enigma.
Read The Alien Hunter.
You cannot but be better for having done so, and they are really good reads.