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Sept. 24, 2010 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Predictions and Natural Magic - Evelyn Paglini

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high Rise Condo in the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila.
		Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, whatever it may be, wherever you are in all the time zones of the world covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Nouri, who's taking the night off.
		I have no idea what he's doing, but I hope he's having fun.
		It's wonderful to be with you, and I'm sure it's wonderful for George to have a night off.
		Do this show five, six nights a week.
		It's a lot of work.
		So it's great to be here.
		All the ABs are well.
		That means the skinned and furred ones as well.
		We're all well.
		In fact, if you go to coastcoasta.com right now, you will see a picture of Miss Asia Bell in her ballerina outfit.
		In fact, she's going to school.
		They start school very, very early here in the Philippines.
		And she's been going to school now for, I don't know, about a half a year, I guess, five days a week, she goes to school.
		And then on Saturday, she goes to ballerina school.
		She loves that.
		In fact, she came to me earlier tonight and said, Daddy, why do you have to work?
		And I used to tell her for diapers.
		But, you know, she's out of diapers now.
unidentified		So instead, we told her shoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That she understood.
		So she's beginning to become quite a young lady.
		Shoes.
		Oh, shoes.
		Okay, work.
		That's fine.
		I am proud to announce, and I am pretty proud of this, that I have my Philippine, I took the Philippine Class A test, ham radio test.
		And I know to many of you, you say about ham radio, come on.
		It's been my lifelong hobby.
		So I now have a new set of call letters.
		I am, are you ready for this?
		4F1AB.
		I love that call.
		4F1AB.
		4F1AB.
		It's so much easier than, I used to have to say DU1 slant W6OBB, which of course is my U.S. call.
		But now I have a real honest God Philippine license 4F1AB, as in Art Bell.
		Think I knew somebody?
		Hmm.
		And Erin has a call.
		That's right.
		She passed her test, and she is now DW1SPA.
		So there you have it.
		Both of us have local, real Philippine ham licenses for F-1A.
		Oh, I love that call.
		I just love it.
		Okay, let's look at the world.
		Never pleasant.
		Citigroup, I guess afraid to give a big, you know, bonus to its people since the government, meaning you, me, all of us that pay taxes, own a piece, afraid to give a big bonus, instead is going to give stock worth millions of dollars.
		So what's the diff?
		The CEO, Vikram Pandit, drawing a salary of only $1 for the second year in a row, didn't get a raise, but there are hints now there'll be a big, big payout for him next year when people may have forgotten everything a little bit.
		Secretary of State Hillary Vodham Clinton spent about a half hour Friday meeting with the Palestinian president as the Obama administration tried to prevent Israeli-Palestinian peace stocks from collapsing again.
		You know, in my lifetime, the Israelis and the Palestinians have never, ever really gotten it together.
		And, you know, I kind of think they never will.
		Nancy Pelosi says tax cuts, well, yeah, maybe.
		You know, they're coming up on an election.
		And so I'm sure this wouldn't be something she would say in normal times.
		But now she said, well, yeah, maybe.
unidentified		You know, people out there need to get elected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bank robbers pulled off a rather dramatic heist Friday.
		It sounds like a movie.
		They strapped a bomb to a teller, ordered him to steal as much money as he could grab out of the vault.
		All the while his father was being held hostage.
		God, that really sounds like a movie I've seen.
		All began when the three masked men, gun-toting thieves, burst into the teller's apartment shortly after midnight.
		That really is a movie.
		I'm almost sure of it.
		A federal judge ruled Friday that a decorated flight nurse discharged from the Air Force for being gay has got to be put right back in her job.
		Again, the decision by U.S. District Judge Ronald Layton came in a very closely watched case as a tense debate has been playing out over the policy.
		You know, don't ask, don't tell.
		They're deeming it to be unconstitutional.
		I guess there's free speech involved, right?
		Don't ask.
		Well, I don't know about that, but don't tell.
		That would be free speech.
		Honduras, Nicaragua, getting ready for a big storm.
		Tropical storm Matthew on Friday.
		Drenching disaster-prone areas.
		Strangely, this year, here over on this side of the world, I am on the other side of the world, right?
		Kind of cozying up to the middle of the world here.
		We haven't had very many typhoons this year.
		Last year, it was a typhoon of the week.
		This year, we've had one.
		Lindsay Lohan, back home again, in jail.
		It might be a short one this time.
		The actress's attorney apparently has won a ruling clearing her release from jail if she posts a $300,000 bail.
		And I'm sure she'll come up with that roughly nine hours after another judge ordered the troubled Starlet jailed for just a month.
		So in the news, there's a little picture of Lindsay in her decorator orange jail outfit.
		I know you've heard this, and I don't care.
		This just blew me away.
		It just blew me away.
		Modern medicine often works wonders, but an Australian mom knows firsthand the real miracle that can come from a mother's touch.
		This is just an astounding story.
		Her name was Kate Ogg, is Kate Ogg.
		She told her newborn son, Jamie, was told rather, that he died.
		He was dead.
		They had heroic efforts to resuscitate the premature infant.
		All failed after his birth.
		But Kate was then given a chance to say goodbye to the apparently lifeless baby.
		She and her husband David found that they were instead saying hello to the newest member of their family.
		Now, here's how it went.
		She gave birth just 27 weeks into the pregnancy.
		Daughter Emily survived the premature birth, but son Jamie languished.
		Then after 20 minutes, 20 minutes of trying to get him to breathe, that's 20 minutes, no air, no oxygen to the brain, doctors pronounced him dead.
		After Kate was told that Jamie didn't make it, nurses placed the baby across Kate's bare chest so that Kate and David could reconcile themselves to the death.
		She said, I wanted to meet him, hold him, and get him to know us.
		She said, if he was on the way out of the world, well, you know, we wanted to have him know who his parents were and to know that we loved him before he died.
		But if a kind of a strange thing happened on the way to the farewell after five minutes, Jamie began displaying these strange, short, startled movements.
		As Kate and David looked on, his movements became more pronounced.
		Still, the baby's doctor told the parents any movements were just pure reflex, and their son, their son was dead, not alive.
		Kate and David, nevertheless, reveled in their son's movements, even though they believed he was dead.
		We'd resigned ourselves to the fact that we were going to lose him.
		We just were trying to make the most out of those last moments.
		David Ogg told Curry the couple had hoped for an extra minute or two, perhaps, with their son, but eventually it extended to more than two hours.
		But no one was more surprised than Kate and David when their seemingly dead baby opened his eyes.
		Opened his eyes.
		And again, you know, they were told nothing but reflex, but the eyes stayed open.
		At one point, the couple began to think their baby might not be dead after all.
		I think half of us then, what if he actually makes it?
		What if he does?
		It'd be a miracle.
		The other half was saying, no, he's been declared dead.
		It's purely instinct.
unidentified		It's called kangaroo care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, putting the baby on Mama's chest.
		Well, Jamie continued to come around as he lay across Kate's chest.
		He began grabbing at his mother's finger and then his dad's.
		Remember, this baby was dead.
		No heartbeat.
		No oxygen, no breathing for 20 minutes.
		Anyway, Kate put a dab of breast milk on her finger.
		Jamie took it.
		Kate finally began to believe her baby was actually alive.
		We thought, he's getting stronger.
		He's not dead.
		But the family wasn't getting any encouragement from the doctor.
		While the Oggs urged hospital personnel to please summon the doctor, they were repeatedly told what they were seeing was just reflexes from a baby already declared dead.
		Kate told Curry they actually had to fib, lie, to get the doctor to return to her bedside.
		He kept saying he's doing things dead babies just don't do.
		You might really want to come and see this.
		But the skeptical doctor decided not to come back.
		So David said, go and tell him we've come to terms with our baby's death.
		Can he just come and explain it to us?
		That made him come back.
		Kate Ogg told the London Daily Mail, the doctor was simply in disbelief when he arrived back at the bedside.
		He got out the stethoscope, listened to Jamie's chest, and just kept shaking his head.
		He said, I don't believe it.
		I don't believe it.
		So I would like somebody, anybody, to explain that to me.
		No heartbeat, no oxygen to the brain for 20 minutes, not a situation where you were cooled down so that your bodily functions would sort of go dormant.
unidentified		None of that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead baby.
		20 minutes.
		Dead baby.
		Now alive.
		Where was that baby?
		Where was that baby's soul?
		If we have a soul, where was it?
		Had it not yet entered?
		You know, I'm not a really religious person, but where was that baby?
		That story just absolutely grabbed me and stuck with me, and it still does.
		And so, though I'm sure you heard it when it occurred, because it was kind of worldwide news, for 20 minutes, where was that child?
		There's more to come.
		We'll be back in a moment.
		This is kind of concerning, kind of worrisome.
		Could the Mayan Doomsday Prophets actually have been on to something after all.
		After the 2012 film, the one that scared the hell out of everybody, that really was a scary movie with very good effects, done by the same producer that did Whitley's movie and my movie, The Day After Tomorrow.
		2012 was scary.
		It seems as though there are some scientists who now believe that when the sun rises on December 21st, 2012, something close to apocalyptic could indeed occur.
		The eminent astronomer, Professor Sundara Ramon, may dismiss the prophecy as myth, but he says extremely abnormal activity on the sun that day, that day, is going to result in massive solar storms.
		The solar wind, powered by huge coronal mass ejections, will fry communication networks, power grids across the world, says he.
		Unless some action is taken to mitigate the effects of the solar flare, what are they going to do?
		Put up aluminum foil?
		Professor, that was my question.
		Professor Rahman adds, entire cities, markets, government systems could plunge into chaos of a kind the modern world has never witnessed.
		The solar wind is a stream of charged particles that blow out the corona of the sun at supersonic speeds to the outer reaches of the planetary orbits, all explained by Professor Rahman, head of the Indian Institute of Astrophysics.
		You remember in the movie 2012, all of this began in India.
		Remember?
		During violent sunstorms like the one expected in December of 2012, the sun ejects a huge volume of electrified gas.
		It's capable of damaging power grids, communication services, satellite spacecraft, aircraft, and so forth.
		And to add to that, there is news circulating now of a hole in Earth's magnetic field.
		Remember the ozone hole?
		This is in the magnetic field, and the magnetic field is what protects Earth against these kinds of flares.
		Now, the hole is 10 times the size of Earth.
		That's right.
		There's a hole in the Earth's magnetic field 10 times the size of Earth itself.
unidentified		That can't be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this has been, so far, a very uneventful beginning of solar cycle 24, but I guess they're saying, look out on that day.
unidentified		What is it?
unidentified		21st day of December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		Is it Hollywood imitating life or life imitating Hollywood?
		One of the Pope's astronomers says that he'd be absolutely delighted if intelligent life is found among the stars.
		Guy Consolomongo, I believe it is.
		Aliens might have souls, he says, and could choose to be baptized if humans ever met them, according to a Vatican scientist.
		The official also dismissed intelligent beings, or design rather, as bad theology that had been hijacked by American creation fundamentalists.
		The scientist who's one of the Pope's astronomers said he'd be delighted if intelligent life was found among the stars, but the odds of finding it and of it being intelligent and us able to communicate with it, well, when you add it all up, it's not a practical question.
		Speaking ahead of a talk at the British Science Festival in Birmingham, he said that the traditional definition of a soul was to have intelligence, free will, freedom, freedom to love, and freedom to make decisions.
		Any entity, no matter how many tentacles it has, has a soul, says he.
		Would he baptize an alien?
		Well, yes, if they asked, he would.
		Now, if the Vatican's astronomer is going to assert that an alien, intelligent alien, would have a soul, then I assert to you that dogs and cats and other animals for that matter have souls.
		I've said for years, you know, I have cats, I have three cats, we have three cats.
		If I have a soul, they have a soul.
		I can see it in them.
		I can see it in their individual personalities.
		I can see it in their love.
		I can see it in what they do.
		Although, by the way, Dolly, my youngest little Filipina cat, yesterday chewed a button off my new Windows 7 computer, laptop computer.
unidentified		She's lucky to be here today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got the button back, kind of.
		Why would a cat chew a button off a computer keyboard?
		Nevertheless, I maintain that they have souls, as do dogs and other animals, and I think that eventually the human race is going to be forced, perhaps through some sort of scientific discovery or something, to acknowledge that fact.
		And when that does occur, we're going to have to treat animals in a very different way than we do now.
		Oh, listen, open lines are coming up.
		I really ought to say that, huh?
		Or they won't ring.
		When we take the break here at the half hour following the break, I'm going to take at least 30 minutes of calls, and then we're going to talk with Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		That's hot stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because of all the predictors, the soothsayers, the various psychics that I've had on this program, nobody, nobody, and longtime listeners will vouch for this.
		Nobody has even come close to the accuracy of Evelyn Paglini.
		I mean, this woman has called big ones, and they've been dead on the money each and every time.
		Now, that, of course, demands my attention, and it should demand your attention.
		When somebody gets that many big things right ahead of time, not easily called things, and we'll, you know, when we talk to her, we'll kind of document them.
		Evelyn, you might, if you're listening, search back and recall all the hits you've had, but my God, it just went on and on and on and on.
		Everything she said has come true.
		And she's not really a Sussayer, nor does she do predictions.
		As a matter of course, she just, she's a witch.
		I once asked for a broom-riding cauldron-stirring witch and went on a long hunt for such.
		And I found her, and that was Evelyn Paglini.
		And then she just got into this prediction thing, and gosh, she hit one after another, after another, after another.
		Really freaky stuff, folks.
		She's right on the money, and she'll be here tonight after about 30 minutes of open lines.
		So my suggestion is turn the radio volume up, get comfortable, because it's coming.
		Yes, other side of the world, fairly adjacent to the equator.
		Really is a very different world here.
		And I know I keep saying this, but one of these times, I'm going to come on the air and we're going to talk about what it's like here in the Philippines.
		It's an amazing, amazing place, and it's such a different world that when you step off the airplane, it's like going, I don't know, into a different dimension or something.
		Glenn Warner in Snomish, Washington says, hey, Art, the reason your cat shooted the buttons off your Windows 7 laptop computers, obvious.
		She's a Mac user.
		Smart Kitty.
		Smart Alec, Glenn.
		That was a bad moment.
		Very bad moment.
		You look over and there were two keys missing.
		One of them irreparably damaged.
		I had to come up with a weird little scheme to get it back on.
		We'll see if it stays.
		All right.
		We'll break here, come back and do some open lines.
		Well, all right.
		As promised, let's do it.
		Let's go to the state of Virginia.
		That brings Phil.
		Hi, Phil.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
unidentified		Good.
		I wanted to tell you a story.
		I was listening the other night and I heard you, or not you, it was George, talking about witchcraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was at a camp where they had a lodge.
		I was seven or eight years old.
		I'm 42 now.
		And my sisters had gone upstairs into the upper loft to go to sleep.
		And I was downstairs.
		My mother and her husband were drinking wine.
		And they started playing with the Ouija board.
		And I remember clearly seeing a horseshoe come off the top of the mantle and flinging around the room and then putting itself back on the wall upside down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ouija boards are not to be played with, Phil.
		I mean, it's that simple.
		I have a story about a Ouija board that I still will not tell publicly.
		And you don't play with a Ouija board.
		I'm not so sure that it's a Ouija board itself, Phil, but when you intentionally sit down with a Ouija board, which ostensibly is to communicate with spirits or the dead, you're opening a door.
unidentified		Oh, I mean, that's what I was wondering.
		I said, I was seven or eight years old, six, seven, eight.
		I don't know.
		I was that age.
		I know I was under 10.
		But just the horseshoe was hanging up on the mantle, and then it came off the wall and swung around the entire room and put itself back on the wall upside down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good thing it didn't bean somebody.
		Look, I'm telling you, and this is not a joke.
		Don't mess around with Ouija boards.
		It's that simple.
		Again, I'm not sure it's the board itself, but it's a matter of intent.
		When you sit down in front of a Ouija board, you and others, your intent is to speak with the other side in one fashion or another, or to see something funny or cute or scary.
		Not smart.
		Not wise.
		I mean, just think of it this way, just on the off chance that all of it's true and you really can invite spirits from the other side, why would you intentionally wish to do that and inflict upon yourself and your family and others and friends what might walk through that door?
		Bakersfield, California has Brian.
		Hi, Brian.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		Good to talk with you again.
		Brian from Bakersfield spoke with you years ago.
		You mentioned the story about the stillborn baby who was resuscitated at Long Last.
		And you asked the question, where was, I believe it was a girl, where was she during that interim?
		And I cannot pretend, nor would I venture to pontificate as to where she was.
		But I do recall that I believe it's Ecclesiastes 12, 7 that says the soul returns to God upon death, or something to that effect.
		And I do believe whatever else might be said about this incident, that there's no question in my mind whatsoever that this was a divine intervention.
		And if we can call it a miracle, it's as close to a miracle as anything, any anecdote I've heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm with you all the way.
		You know, people say things like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe they just didn't check properly or something like that, but that's simply not true.
		They did it all.
		They did every single thing they could.
		They went, of course, for a child, they'd go to extraordinary measures for resuscitation before declaring a child dead.
		And they did.
		This child was not alive.
		Simple as that.
		Not alive.
		20 minutes.
		No heartbeat.
		No breathing.
		No oxygen to the brain.
unidentified		They did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then on mama's chest, the baby began to live after quite some time.
		So, you know, I'm not buying into the other one at all.
		I certainly cannot tell you what really did happen, but I can tell you that it wasn't an error in, you know, detection of a heartbeat.
		I mean, they would have gone through extraordinary measures before declaring a child irretrievably gone.
		Bonnie in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
		Hello, Bonnie.
unidentified		Art Bell, my friend, what an honor to finally speak with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, thank you.
unidentified		I have been a long, long time listener, and I would like to tell you my story as a young Army wife when my husband returned from Vietnam to Fort Hood.
		My first child was stillborn.
		And it was a little boy.
		And of course, 30 years ago, they didn't have all the medical advances they have now.
		But I had carried that child, and it had lived within me.
		And I knew the child was alive.
		And when he was born, tragically, the umbilical cord was wrapped around the neck, and the baby did not survive.
		And I was blessed to have a physician who was kind enough to give my husband and I some time with the baby.
		And I had the experience that the doctors were trying to describe to this mother, you know, where there's certain movement and what have you.
		In our case, my son did not.
		But about 10 or 15 minutes as we were holding him, and I looked at my husband and said, would you like to hold him?
		And he shook his head.
		He was in such pain, as we both were.
		And for one moment, that little baby opened his eyes and he looked at me.
		And he looked towards my husband.
		And I said, look, he's opened his eyes.
		And just at that moment, the doctor came in.
		And I believe I'm a Christian, and I don't consider myself an overly religious person, but I am a Christian.
		And I'm a spiritual person.
		And I believe that God gave me that moment of recognition that the child I had carried had lived, was alive, and was going on to a better place.
		That's how I choose to think of it.
		And when I heard the story a few days ago about this lady and the mother and the father, I cannot tell you how happy you can just imagine the joy that I felt for her, having had a different result myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, you know, the doctors would tell you, no, it was a, even the opening of the eyes was a reflex, but inside of you, you know.
unidentified		Right.
		And in my case, as I said, there was a different outcome, and the child did not survive.
		But the child gave me a gift from God, as I felt my child was a gift from God to me.
		And that was that one moment of recognition.
		Yes, I have lived, and I will be with you again someday.
		And the last thing I'd like to tell you very, very quickly, I go so far back, you were in Perlumps, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perumps, Nevada, yes.
unidentified		And you were having back problems, and that's when I discovered you.
		And Ramona was still living, and I remembered a comment you made about the body is a remarkable thing except for the engineering of the back.
		And I was recovering from a severe automobile accident, and then years went by, and Ramona went on her way.
		And I was listening tonight you announced the big change in your life, that you had met a lady and you were going to change your life abruptly.
		I did not know if you had children.
		I knew about kitty cats and all that.
		But I didn't know if you had children.
		And when you made that announcement of you had met this lady and you were going to start a new life, et cetera, a few weeks or so after that, I had a dream, Art.
		And of course, we all dream.
		I don't remember mine too well.
		But I had a dream.
		And you were holding a baby with a lovely lady with her arms on your shoulder.
		And you were both gazing at this beautiful baby girl.
		Can you imagine how I felt when I found out Asia was born?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should try imagining how I felt.
		All right, Luz, I've got to go.
		But thank you very, very, very, very much.
		I appreciate it.
		Yes, yes, it's quite remarkable.
		And I don't want to go really deeply into it, but when you lose somebody that you thought was your lifelong partner, you have a choice.
		And you can either go on with your life, eventually you make this decision or not.
		And I did make the decision to proceed.
		And boy, it's been quite a path, to say the least.
		And that little bundle that we gaze at, as you pointed out, as I said earlier, you can see her now.
		She's up on CostaCoSan.com, and she is something else.
		She is simply remarkable.
		Let's go all the way to Manhattan, New York City.
		And Jelena, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, hey, good morning, Art, and welcome back.
unidentified		Always nice to hear your voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I wanted to, actually I wanted to talk about something else, but I wanted to make a quick comment, if I may, about the situation with the newborn.
		When I hear that story, I don't so much hear, I mean, it is obviously a miracle of some sorts, but what I hear is shocking ignorance of the medical community, in this case, you know, in their attitude towards newborns.
		Perhaps maybe, you know, what they said, there was no detectable heartbeat.
		Maybe that just means that whatever instrumentation they were using is not sufficient for newborns.
		In natural childhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but this was a neonatal unit in Australia, you know, with the latest of everything.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Maybe it's not appropriate for newborns.
		Maybe what MDs think, I'm sorry for cutting you off, but maybe what MDs think of as being high-tech and blah, blah, blah is not appropriate for infant newborns.
		In natural childbirth, they generally do immediately put the baby right on the mother's breast so that the baby who's heard her heartbeat for nine months can hear the mother's heartbeat immediately as soon as they're born.
		And that stimulates it.
		And it's not uncommon in natural childbirth for a baby that's somewhat unresponsive as soon as it comes out.
		When it's put on the mother's chest, it immediately kicks in or soon warms up and kicks in and comes to what we term as to life.
		Maybe we need to apply different or MDs need to apply different standards to infants.
		How about that theory?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		Maybe physicians, which tend not to believe in God, by the way.
		They generally don't.
		Physicians.
		Doctors, scientists, people like that, as a general rule, general, say that again.
		Tend just not to believe in God.
		However, I'm not buying the, oh, you know, they just missed the heartbeat or they missed the breathing nonsense.
		This was a modern Australian hospital need to a unit, and they had all the latest of everything, and they didn't declare and wouldn't declare an infant like this stillborn dead.
		Unless it really was.
		Simple as that.
		They wouldn't.
		And they would go to every extraordinary measure you can imagine to revive it.
		So, you know, people toss the word around miracle pretty easily, but this comes as close to what I would call a real honest God miracle as you can imagine.
		In Rosalind, New York, here is Richard.
		Morning, Richard.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		How are you doing?
		Good to hear your voice again, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
unidentified		Yeah, no, I had spoken to you a couple of months ago, and you had a fascinating conversation about consciousness.
		I forget who it was who was on.
		And I made a suggestion about a book called Consciousness Speaks.
		And I was wondering if you remember that or whether you had a chance to pick that book up and take a look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen it over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I call bookstores like crazy over here, and I haven't seen it yet.
unidentified		Yeah, because I thought for you personally, it might open the door, if it's in the script, that is, it might open the door to answer a lot of your questions.
		Great book.
		The guy's name is B-A-L-S-E-K-A-R Belzikar.
		And what is the general turn of the book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what?
unidentified		And it's more or less people who have curious questions about consciousness, and he gives them answers.
		He works off three premises, which I can't remember off the top.
		I think one of them is consciousness is all there is.
		Nothing happens except by the will of God, including that child that opened its eyes for a moment with the mother and gave her that reassuring thing as the previous caller.
		She was right on, by the way.
		And there was something else.
		There are three premises that it works on, but it's much more involved than that, and it gets your mind to open up and view consciousness as something other than the way it's looked at in a traditional textbook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am of the opinion that eventually scientists are going to discover that consciousness is the strongest force in the universe.
		Now, that's an awfully wild statement to make.
		And right now, you know, we can't concentrate and move a feather from one side of the table to the other.
		But I'm telling you, having done the experiments I did, I don't know if you recall those.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be proven to be the strongest, most potent, important force in the universe.
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I won't be around to see it happen, but I'm telling you, mark my words.
unidentified		You may be, not on this plane, but you may be around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a single drop of rain, perhaps.
		All right, Liz, thank you very much for the call.
		We're woefully short on time.
		New York City again.
		Sarah, hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Well, let me see these baby stories, especially the woman who just told her story a couple back, definitely heart-rending.
		I was, made me think about a top-notch physician that you had on that was sort of a morgue kind of, I don't know, I guess she did autopsies or worked in a morgue test somebody.
		Well, you had her on once or twice, and she stated, and I've heard this over and over more than I'd like to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, we're out of time.
unidentified		Okay, even with our so-called advanced diagnostic technology, she was saying that there are people whose breathing and heart rates are so subtle that they do go unnoticed and people are declared dead.
unidentified		And, you know, I think absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, dealing with no oxygen for 20 minutes, no oxygen to the brain, it should have been just simple dead meat.
		But this child was alive.
		Well, normal reflexes after 20 minutes.
		It's just an amazing story.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		All right.
		Here we go.
		It's been a very long time since Dr. Paglini has been on the air.
		But as I said earlier in the show, if you're just joining, nobody, not all the psychics, not all the predictors and the remote viewers and the what have you who have made predictions on this program have ever had a record that's within miles of Evelyn Paglini's period.
		And she's not really a prediction person.
		It just sort of began to happen on the program, and she hit so many that it began to send a little tingle down my spine.
		I mean, big things.
		We'll sort of review with her some of the things.
		Parapsychologist Dr. Evelyn Paglini is one of the leading authorities on the occult and the supernatural in the United States.
		And when she's on this show, The World, I guess.
		Evelyn began learning natural magic from her grandfather at the age of four and is now a psychic, metaphysical teacher, lecturer, consultant.
		She has set precedent in the Texas court system on a child abuse case with ritual overtones, worked with law enforcement on missing persons and murder cases involving the occult and the supernatural.
		She is a spiritual warrior.
		It's a very interesting phrase, isn't it?
		Spiritual warrior.
		Coming up in a moment, Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Dr. Evelyn Paglini, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you so much for having me.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure to be with you and your audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a pleasure to have you big time, and it has been so long.
		But what sticks in my mind, Evelyn, is the remarkable, incredible record you've had of predictions.
		And I wonder if you can recall for the audience some you made.
		I mean, these were all on air, so there's no fudging any of it.
		I mean, you know, they were all recorded well before they occurred here on the air.
		So it's not like, you know, some psychics, they'll tell you this.
		Oh, I predicted this and I predicted that.
		But boy, when it's on the air, that's that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember a couple right off the bat.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say the hurricane season of 2005, which was Katrina and Rita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that was something I couldn't get out of my mind.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I knew it was going to be an extremely difficult, devastating hurricane season, and we certainly had one of the things that we were doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you went well beyond just predicting hurricanes.
		Yeah, you went well beyond that.
		You said massive numbers of people will be evacuated and so on.
		It was really interesting.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I just saw thousands of people being evacuated.
		I saw tens of billions of dollars worth of damage, and I just couldn't believe it.
		It was like one after another after another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And then I know also the Virginia Tech massacre.
		That 32 people that were killed by that crazed person.
		And certainly the fires that have been going on.
		And then, oh, God, I just, there's just the economy I did about 2006.
		I remember telling people about the stock market going down to 700.
		They didn't want to believe me.
		And I told them to stop using their homes as an ATM machine.
		And I said that there was going to be massive foreclosures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		It was one after, another after, and there were more.
		I mean, it was just...
		In what form?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes it depends.
		It will happen in a vision.
		There may be images that will cross what I call the screen of my mind.
		Other times it happens when I'm doing ritual at night and I'm calling upon the elements.
		In other cases, I will get information because I'm doing so many clients around the world and I'm looking into their future.
		And I try to go a year or two a year.
		So I see a trend that happens with so many people having so many problems in so many particular arenas or areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, so sometimes the screen of your mind, meaning almost like a TV screen, you see these things appearing.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They come in nanoseconds.
		And sometimes they will come with sound, and other times they will come with sound and a lot of emotion.
		Especially when I'm seeing something that's very devastating like a Katrina or a Rita or earthquakes.
		Just like when I get into weather, big, when I get into weather, that's when I start to see and feel the emotion, the fear, the anxiety, then the depression.
		I mean, all of it, it's all there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read a story a little bit earlier that my wife wanted me to ask you about because she's a little concerned about it.
		She's seen the movie as of I 2012.
		And, you know, it's what is it, December 21st, I think, 2012.
		You know, and I thought, good movie, great special effects.
		It'll never happen.
		And here I have this story tonight from a scientist in India who's saying it just may well occur.
		It's the end, of course, of the Mayan calendar.
		And I always just thought, well, the Mayans got sick of making calendars and just stopped.
		And I think I still somewhat embrace that, but this story worries me.
		Any insights at all about December 21, 2012?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have called the cleansing of Earth for the last couple of years.
		I said we were in a countdown, and I said that there was going to be an escalation of devastation and catastrophic events that were going to occur.
		This is all happening, will continue to happen.
		And yes, 2012 has a lot to do with it.
		It's the purification of Earth.
		With this, there is also going to be what I will call a vibrational change.
		And so therefore, we will have our consciousness raised and lifted.
		You will notice in the next couple of years, more and more people will be coming forward because their sensitivity, psychic abilities will be being turned on.
		Children will be coming with extraordinary abilities.
		And that's all part of the process of what is going on as far as the 2012, the cleansing of Earth, this devastation, this catastrophic cycles that we are in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's consciousness raising for those who are left, and that's what's concerning me.
		There's going to be some sort of...
		I mean, that could mean millions of people or billions of people even not here anymore.
		Great for the consciousness of those remaining on Earth.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not getting billions.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm not getting that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I feel that there is going to be several areas of the planet that will cause much pain in crying and fear because of the loss of life that will be in maybe the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say some portions of the Earth.
		Do you have any specific areas that you're concerned about?
		He asks as he closes his eyes and grits his teeth.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, when I get more into the weather, I was looking at an awful lot of flooding and an awful lot of, again, earthquakes.
		It seems, and I called in the beginning of the year on a show called the Joho Show.
		I called it the year of the earthquake.
		And when I was on the show with Coast to Coast, I had mentioned that I had felt an awful lot of crying and an awful lot of desperation and fear from earthquakes.
		And when Haiti hit and then Chile, it was like this is just the beginning.
		And so I'm feeling that there's going to be more earthquakes and they are going to take devastating tolls.
		And I'm also feeling a lot of flooding.
		It seems like the elements are in full force, Art, and they don't want to quit.
		And so you're going to have flooding, especially what I'm worried about is the East Coast.
		I keep seeing the East Coast being flooded dramatically, the coastal towns being flooded.
		I see superstorms with high winds that want to come in, and they seem to come up from Florida and then just track way up the East Coast.
		Now, I already called that there was going to be flooding in the Midwest, and you see what's happening in Wisconsin and in Ohio.
		That's just the beginning.
		There's more.
		And that I already called in the beginning of the year.
		Well, I see more of the Midwest flooding.
		I see more of the upper Midwest flooding beside the East Coast.
		I also see it down toward Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess that would come with big storms, all right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I'm getting super storms.
		In fact, it reminded me of your coming global superstorm book.
		Because I'm not only getting the rain and the flooding, but the wind.
		This roaring, roaring wind.
		I mean, it's got to be high mileage.
		We have this kind of roar that I'm hearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when cold air meets warm air, which occurs in the U.S. Midwest frequently, that's what you get, or gigantic, monstrous, that's what creates these monstrous storms.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And you know what that?
		You think that that is not bad enough, and then you take a look at the fires, and they continue.
		Not only now in California am I worried about October and November, especially, but I feel that there is going to be fires that are going to be started deliberately.
		I've said this once before, and I was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was another one I forgot to say.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I was right, and five firemen died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said that it was.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying it again, and I've got it in more than one state.
		It is planned.
		It is deliberate.
		They are taking advantage of a dry season and the heat wave, which I also called and has continued, they are going to take advantage of it, and there's going to be fires in several states that are arson.
		And that's part of what I was getting, like a homegrown terrorism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Evelyn, that leads to another question, and it's, I guess, a social question more than anything Else, but what's happening in the United States to the people?
		I know economic times are rough in the U.S. right now, but God, what's happening to the people, Evelyn?
		There was a time when conditions got dry and people didn't automatically go out and begin to set fires intentionally, and now they do.
		There's been some sort of social, massive social change in the country, and I could go on and on about it.
		It's not just fires, but we'll take that as an example right now.
		What's happened to people?
		There's some sort of profound change.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to call it evil on the rise.
		I want to call it negativity seeping in and taking hold and bending people who may be out of desperation, maybe out of fear or anxiety, losing their job, losing their homes.
		Maybe that's the cause.
		But I'm also picking up that it's almost like a plan of an organization that wants homegrown people to turn on each other and to turn on their country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's happening.
		It's happening.
		And I don't.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And it's like they're being brainwashed.
		Maybe I just get into the paranormal, but that's where my mind keeps going.
		I says, they're being sent like signals.
		They're being manipulated.
		They're being mind-controlled in some way.
		To think like this, to be exposed to it, it's almost like they're looking for their vulnerability and they found them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a mystery to me, Evelyn, what's going on with people in the U.S. It's an honest-to-God mystery.
		You're a spiritual warrior.
		What does that mean?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I fight evil on all fronts.
		I level the playing field.
		I teach people how to use magic so that they can not only better their lives, but that they can protect themselves against psychic attack and curses, spells, hexes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you go after evil on the kind of scale we were just talking about?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		You can do individual things, and you certainly have.
		But on the kind of scale we're talking about here, an entire country that's beginning to go, I don't know what it's doing, but it's strange.
		I mean, that's a kind of evil.
		Can you go after a massive amount of evil like that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		One person can make a difference, but when you pull the consciousness and you know the power of the mind collectively, when you focus that attention on it, yes, you can fight evil.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why the more people out there who get into magic, who get into the discipline and the power of the mind, will be able to, again, not only help themselves, but help mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are things going on in the United States, and I guess to some degree the rest of the world too, that just absolutely confuse me.
		Crimes that are so...
		I mean, the torture of young people, the molestation of young people, all these crimes that are what I used to call head shakers that you just don't understand.
		It's just...
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You see that you have got ministers falling from the pulpit because of sexual liaisons, and that's going to continue.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be more scandal in churches in the Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had some connection with Father Malachi Martin back when I was having him on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You recall?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He told me again and again and again that evil is spreading and getting bigger in the world and the U.S. specifically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess that's going on unabated, huh?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		It has increased tenfold.
		And it's not only within the church, which he tried to explain and expose, but it also is just out there.
		You are meeting people, and when you look into their eyes, you can see they are soulless.
		There's an emptiness there.
		They're dead inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That's exactly what Father Malachi Martin said.
		He actually said, you can walk down the street, you can look into somebody's eyes, and you can see they're dead.
		You can see that they've made a perfect deal with the devil.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they are soulless.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In fact, you once had a person, a woman, call on air who had offered her child to Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so that still goes out there.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The breeding of infants just for that reason is still going on out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing scares me like that, Evelyn.
		Nothing.
		I know the program you're talking about.
		And, you know, that one, I mean, to my dying day, I will remember as probably one of the scariest programs I've ever done in my whole life.
		She was not with the rest of us.
		This woman really was evil.
		She really was evil.
		And she had given her child to the devil.
		That's right.
		Just an incredible break.
		All right, we've got to take a break here, Evelyn.
		So much to do tonight.
		A spiritual warrior named Dr. Evelyn Paglini is my guest.
		Aside from the predictions, we'll talk a lot about what witchcraft is and what it is not.
		From the other side of the world, I'm Art Bell.
		That would be me.
		Now, coming up in a moment, I'm going to ask Dr. Paglini about the economy.
		I really want to know about the economy.
		I hear the economists in the U.S. have declared the recession over.
		Obviously, they don't get down to the street very frequently because, according to my friends, the people I talk to, it's anything but over with this many people out of work.
		And I know, you know, the economists suggest that the job market in any recovery is the last thing to return.
		But most economists now are predicting the job situation is going to get even worse, double digits.
		It's actually already in double digits.
		You know, according to their figures, we're near 10% unemployment, just barely under 10%, and it will hit double figures again.
		Now, yes, the stock market has recovered substantially, but the stock market is the market, and it's I don't know what to say about it, and I don't know whether I believe in this market recovery anyway.
		If you look back to the Great Depression, you'll find there was exactly this kind of period we're having right now where everybody is talking about the market recovering, and then, of course, she went the second time, and the second time she went, it turned out to be the Great Depression.
		Now, people express concern about the possibility of a double dip.
		That's sort of a mild phrase.
		It doesn't sound too bad.
		Double dip, right?
		But when they had the double dip in the Great Depression, that's exactly what it became.
		It was the Great Depression.
		So I want to ask about the economy.
		It's important to everybody.
		It's worrisome.
		And I'm telling you, as I talk to my friends, there are stores closing in Maas.
		There are houses empty.
		The rate at which banks are taking them back has never been seen before, at least in my lifetime.
		Never.
		So they may consider it over.
		I don't, and I'm sure many of you don't.
		And we'll find out what Evelyn thinks in a moment.
		Well, all right.
		Evelyn, with regard to the economy, continuing to improve, if that's what's happening right now, or a double dip or a depression ahead.
		How do you see the economy?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I had said that there was a thousand days before the economic engine would really start to take off.
		And right now we're still on target.
		I don't feel that there's going to be any lifting as far as Main Street is concerned until the late spring of 2012.
		That's when some confidence will begin to return.
		You have 7 million people unemployed.
		It's going to take years to get that many people back to work.
		And you have over 6 million and counting foreclosures, homes that are empty.
		It will take two to three years just to get those off the books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do we have enough hamburger joints to employ that many people?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate to be that flip, but, you know, in the old days, Evelyn, when we had, you know, economic boom times and then, I mean, there's a business cycle, you know, up and down and up and down.
		I understand that.
		But in the old days when we'd be down, a president would come on TV and say, well, the basic American economy is sound.
		I can't say that anymore.
		It's not sound.
		We don't have industry to be employing these people anymore.
unidentified		That's right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The jobs are not coming back.
		And so we have to reinvent.
		We have to diversify.
		You're going to see so many people that will be starting home businesses out of their kitchen, their basement, and their garage.
		They will be reinventing themselves because they have to.
		These jobs are not coming back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think they are.
		But you're saying that people will be able to do that.
		They'll reinvent themselves.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they will.
		And I feel that there are opportunities out there.
		I just don't want to stay on the down.
		I want to see that there are opportunities out there for people.
		And if they tap into their sixth sense, if they tap into their psychic abilities, they're going to get some insight and some answers.
		You know, cash is still king.
		And so let's just talk about housing.
		There are more people out there that need to rent now than ever because they have lost homes.
		And so there is an investment opportunity, and cash is king.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You can get out there and buy pennies on the dollar, and you can have investment and cash flow from rental properties.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and all that cash is sitting on the sidelines right now, still scared.
		That's why it hasn't begun to happen.
		You would think people would be jumping on these incredibly inexpensive homes to buy.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But the loans aren't coming through from the bank, but creative financing is now taking hold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even the people with the cash are afraid to make the move because they're not sure it's the bottom yet.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying another year, year and a half, they have excellent opportunities at buyer's market.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Excellent opportunities for the next year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you had a lot of money, cash sitting on the sidelines, would you begin to buy homes now?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would.
		Slowly, very slowly, and I would make an extremely good deal.
		Yes, there are excellent opportunities out there, not just in home real estate, but in commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, no, it's true.
		I know.
		It's true.
		So it's going to get better, in your opinion, in the economy anyway.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In the spring of 2012.
		Between now and then, you've got to tighten your belt.
		You've got to hold on.
		They're not going to call this a double-dip recession because, according to the official statement, the recession ended June of 09.
		And so they will have to call this maybe another recession.
		But I feel that we've got another punch coming.
		That's why I'm saying not until late spring of 2012 will there be breathing room where Main Street starts to feel confident again.
		But between now and then, you're going to have to tighten your belt.
		And also, there will be, though, opportunities in construction and in health care because I feel that, well, one, I'm very afraid of this flu season.
		Okay, I'm getting a very bad feeling about this flu season.
		I feel that there will be more deaths than normal.
		Anyway, we get about 30 to 36,000.
		But there's something wrong with this flu season.
		This one is deadly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		And so besides that.
		Our flu season here is opposite of the U.S. We've already been through it.
		And I did, we all did here in the house, go out and get flu shots.
		How do you feel about the flu shots?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		I'm very hesitant.
		I don't like what I'm picking up.
		I feel that everybody should make their own decision, but not me.
		I won't get one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You won't get one?
unidentified		No.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Even though I feel this is a very bad blue season, next one even worse.
		But I'm worried about this one.
		There's something that's bothering me.
		It hasn't come in quite clear enough.
		That in construction and construction was because of all of the devastation that had all the bridges and roads and dams and homes that have to be rebuilt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so I felt that there was a big input as far as that was concerned.
		All your commodities will do well.
		I had been touting since I've been on since 98, gold and silver and palladium.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		I've made a lot of people money.
		People listened.
		And now, look at gold.
		It's pushing 1,300.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I feel that it will definitely keep going up.
		And that's not because of just the economy, but because of fear.
		And do you know that there is a movement out there that even wants to get our currency to be not only devalued, but not to be the currency of the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And that bothers me too.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's like, again, this underhandedness going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have borrowed so much to stimulate that I don't know how we're going to pay it back.
		I have no idea.
		And that's going to affect the dollar.
		You're absolutely right.
		Can you feel where the dollar is headed?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I feel that we are in trouble with the dollar.
		That's why there's this mass exit.
		I feel that there will be something that will come in to try to prop it up and stabilize it, but for how long I don't know.
		That's why I still like the commodities.
		I still like gold and silver and palladium because I still feel that they're, well, I feel that silver is so undervalued.
		That's the poor man's gold.
		It always has been.
		And so very definitely, I would tell people to put more than 10 or 15 percent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you're in another country, as I am, Evelyn, you watch the exchange rates, you know, between local currency and the U.S. dollar, and we can see it changing, and it's scary.
		It really is scary.
		And there are countries now talking about, instead of using the dollar, coming up with a basket of currencies for safety, you know, the Chinese currency and some others, instead of the dollar.
		And even though it has not massively occurred yet, there are moves in that direction.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		And that's what I'm picking up.
		And beside that, you have what I'm going to say, I want to call China a problem, not just with the trade, not just with the currency, but with something that is very secretive and sinister that is being plotted.
		And so I'm going to say with all of the wars that are going on, Afghanistan and Iraq, the things I would worry about, the places I would worry about, China, Iran, and then Mexico.
		I call Mexico the war next door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So does NBC.
		The war next door is the truth.
		And if you look at what's going on in Mexico right now, God, it's scary.
		It's the drug cartels, but man, man.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have death.
		So much death.
		You're going to have so much fighting.
		So many out-and-out AK fights, wars, machine guns, the whole nine yards on the borders.
		I mean, you're going to think you're watching a movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, one big question is, is it going to come across the border?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That's why I'm saying the war next door is escalating and somebody better pay attention or we're going to lose citizens.
		And as far as Iran is concerned, I kept on seeing Iran as a serpent swallowing up something.
		And my feeling was, is that it's being cagey and laying in the weeds like as if it's going to pounce and swallow.
		It's like it's going after another country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean as in Iraq, for example?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Iran is, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have taken our combat troops out of Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We still certainly have troops that can fight there, and we're depending on the local force to hold things together.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe that's the serpent swallowing.
		That's what I got.
		I got Mexico, Iran, and then China.
		And these were the things that we had to watch that were going to increase, escalate, and cost lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, China would be capable of producing economic Armageddon because they hold so much so many bonds, so many everything that if they were to call it or suddenly dump all their dollars, it would produce a Zurdovan economic Armageddon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you concerned about that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm concerned about this here triangle, which is what I kept saying, the trade, the currency, and this other sinister aspect, this something that's going on underneath this third way of the way I want to call it is, I don't want to say it wrong.
		It's almost like when somebody wanted to poison you slowly.
		Okay?
		That's the best way I can.
		I can feel it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I'm not sure.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They're using all three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they're working together intentionally or just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All intentional.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's why I said if we want to talk about war, this is where the war is really going to be.
		And those are going to be the wars, Mexico, Iran, and then China.
		And China is the biggest one, the longest one.
		Because it's more manipulative.
		The other two will be almost, you know, be able to see it.
		This one, it's very sidious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you maintain, you still maintain, this kind of evil can be combated.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, always has been, always will be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you gone to work on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you actually working on some of this, trying to change what otherwise may be?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have been and have been for the last three years, and I have others out there doing the same.
		There are so many people out there that are into magic.
		They see what's happening, and they are using it.
		And they're using it in order to combat evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about magic for a moment.
		A lot of listeners are quite Christian, of course, and when they hear witch and magic and that sort of thing, they go, oh, come on.
		So a simple question, but is magic real?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, magic has always been.
		It's in every culture, across every continent, throughout the ages.
		And yes, it's real.
		And every person has the ability to tap into nature and the elements and to use its vibration and its forces to influence, to manipulate, and sometimes to change or to bring into the physical plane of existence a desired goal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is this source of Magic, Evelyn.
		I mean, is it God?
		It's God?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		God is the one that has provided us with nature and the elements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's nature through God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God's at the one end, but it's nature, because I know that in witchcraft you call on the elements like earth, air, wind, and fire.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I will call on the vibrations and the forces of natural plants and essential oils.
		Things, I will use the psychology of color.
		Color has a vibration.
		Everything has a vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, for example, you use different colored candles, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You will use a specific color in order to get a result.
		And so, like, say you wanted to draw or attract love or stimulate strength and energy, you'd use the color of red.
		And if you wanted to increase passion, you would use the color of red.
		If you wanted to remove a negativity, you would use black.
		If you wanted to, let's say, put a shield of protection around you, you would use the color of white.
		If you wanted prosperity and growth, then you'd use the color of green.
		They use it in packaging, okay, in products.
		They realize the vibration of color.
		And when you put it around your home, when you're using it in candle burning or in ritual, then each color has a vibration of either of attraction or repelling or protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you say to people who say, look, I'm a Christian.
		This is nonsense.
		You know, if you want change, pray to God.
		Don't like candles.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are, and God has also provided all of nature.
		The herbs and the essential oils that you use for protection or for attraction are given to us by whom?
		And so why can we not tap into the repellent or the attraction of it and use it for ourselves, for our homes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For our let's take love as an example.
		I've seen a number of movies about witchcraft where, you know, a spell is used to cause somebody to fall in love with somebody else, and it always seems to go wrong.
		In other words, they almost become a stalker of that person.
		They get so hooked on that person, they think they're so in love with that person that they can't stop.
		And we're on a break.
		See, I don't watch the clock, Edeln.
		When I get involved in something like this, it gets so wild.
		So we'll ask about this when we get back.
		But everybody's seen the movies where, you know, Love Potion No. 9 or whatever is used and then I suppose abused.
		Be right back.
		It is.
		Love is probably the best reason to be alive, wouldn't you say?
		I mean, what would the world really be without love?
		Not much.
		Not much at all.
		So love is central to everything.
		Can somebody have a spell put on them?
		Can they be made to fall in love?
		I think the answer to that is yes.
		We'll ask Evelyn about love in a moment.
		All right.
		We're back.
		Every now and then we lose a connection.
		It just occurs.
		It's one of those things when you do a show from the other side of the world.
		Evelyn Paglini, Dr. Evelyn Paglini, is my guest.
		And in a moment, we're going to talk about love.
		But just very quickly, I would like to give out my email address.
		So grab a pen.
		And then I'm going to allow Evelyn to give out whatever information, contact information she would like to.
		If you'd like to get hold of me, I'm trying my best, I really am, to answer my emails, and I'm really putting an effort into it.
		So if you want to fire me an email, I am Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com.
		That's Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-D-L, lowercase at MindSpring, M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G dot com.
		That's it.
		Evelyn, before we get too deep into the show, I want to allow you to do the same thing, whether it's a newsletter you have or a book or anything else, or I know you do individual or you used to do individual consultations for people on occasion.
		You do that.
		All right.
		If somebody wants that, how do they get hold of you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have a phone number of 818-700-9345.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they can also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me give it out.
		Eric Code, 818-700-9345-9345.
		Cool number.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And they can also get me at mysticalblend.com.
unidentified		Mysticalblend.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and I know that you sell some of the accoutrements of witchcraft as well, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		May I give out my snail mail?
		I have a lot of people who do not have computers.
		And I would like to give out them because this way, if they need a catalog, I'll be more than happy to send it out to them.
		And that's at Mystical Blend, P.O. Box, 57932 Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see if I've got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Goblend, P.O. Box 57932, Sherman Oaks, California, 91413.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		It's true.
		A lot of people don't have computers.
		It's hard for me to believe, but it's true.
		They don't.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, they remind me every once in a while.
		They'll send me a note and they'll say, can you please send me a catalog?
		Because I don't have a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And again, that phone number is area code 818-700-9345.
		Is there a better time to call?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Usually during the day from about 9.30 until about 5.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, don't call now.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, okay.
		All right.
		Love.
		Love potion number nine.
		Is it possible to put a spell on somebody and to cause them to fall in love with you?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a good idea?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it can all go wrong.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can all go wrong.
		But that's not what's going to happen out there.
		Most people are going to go and maybe try to attract a person to them, and that's good.
		Or they will find someone and they want to enhance that relationship, and that's even better.
		And then maybe once the relationship has been enhanced, they want to get it to the altar.
		And so all of those are very good spells and very good rituals to be performed.
		But yes, unfortunately, you can put a spell on a person that you shouldn't and have them love you.
		But remember one thing about any curse or any spell.
		It's only as powerful as the practitioner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only as powerful as the practitioner.
		That's right.
		I know you said that, you know, it's inherent in all of us that we have this power that we could, most of us or all of us could, to some degree or another, practice magic.
		But obviously, there are degrees of inborn talent.
		I mean, somebody like yourself has been doing it for years.
		You really know what you're doing.
		So is it really wise for an amateur to, you know, go get a book on witchcraft and start spelling away?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not spelling away, but learning the basics.
		Learning meditation, learning visualization, getting a foundation, having a discipline, and then getting involved with nature and the elements to find out how they can tap into those forces and those vibrations and to use them in their daily life to help them to make choices, decisions, moves, to help them in a legal manner.
		I have people out there that know about magic, always knew it existed, but never thought it would work for them.
		I had one young man that had to go to court and he used magic and it saved his job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I have another person who went to court and fortunately, okay, was able to win a custody battle.
		I have others that have used a health and well-being package to improve their vitality and to take away pain.
		There's protection for yourself against psychic attack.
		There are so many people out there that are suffering and they don't know where to go or who to turn to.
		And also you can learn how to use magic to protect your home, your environment, to remove negativity, to attract prosperity, better business.
		In other words, it doesn't have to go into ceremonial, ritualistic, high magic, where it takes decades to learn.
		You're not going to be getting involved with creating a familiar or doing evocation and summation.
		No, you're doing it in your daily life so that your life is better, so that your family is safer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, before you came on the air, before we did the show, Bill in Atlantic City, and that's all the identity I'll give, posed a couple of questions.
		I'd like to read them to you.
		Dr. Paglini has spoken of her zychic ability.
		What safeguards does she take to prevent entities from selectively editing the information she receives and using her to disseminate false information?
		One of the best ways to run a disinformation op is to mix large doses of the truth with small, though significant, doses of disinformation.
		And we've all heard some of the people even on the show who do that.
		So what kinds of protection and verification does Evelyn use in conjunction with her psychic predictions?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, when it gnaws at me and it keeps showing me images, this is not an entity presenting it.
		As I said, I do a lot of ritual.
		I call upon the elements.
		If I'm going to be using the element of fire in order for me to, let's say, remove or destroy an obstacle, there will be a few moments either before or after the ritual where I get images or visions of fires and where they're at and how bad they're going to be or if someone is starting them.
		So it doesn't come from an entity.
		And I always have a shield of protection before I do any meditation or I do any ritual work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The second part of his question, I'm an herbalist.
		I utilize herbs to heal.
		There's been a long association of herbalism with witchcraft, but I know nothing about that side of it.
		Could Evelyn discuss the magical side of herbalism?
		Is there anything to it?
		And if so, how does it work?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are so many wonderful books out there on herbs that you can use to help yourself, just a few.
		I would say Bayberry and Mugwork.
		That would be excellent for attracting wealth and success.
		You can sprinkle it Around your home, your place of business.
		You can also carry it in a bag, like a mojo bag.
		A gravel root is extremely good to attract a job, believe it or not.
		And I always, always recommend the herb of bodo leaves or five-finger grass, okay, or high sop or rosemary for protection.
		And for money, oh, oh, oh.
		Again, I like the Bay Berry.
		I like the mudwork.
		Essential oils, if you wanted to use those, okay, you have excellent protection oil, rosemary, rose geranium, okay, wisteria for protection from money attraction, better business, magnet, prosperity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can't answer it, but why do they work?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because some have a vibration of attraction or like a magnetism to them.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Others are like a repellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so what you're doing is you're using those essential oils to coincide with what you're trying to achieve.
		And herbs and roots and resins and essential oils have been used from the beginning of time.
		We have always offered them to the kings.
		We have used them as aromatherapy.
		We are now using them for consciousness raising.
		And so, therefore, it's very good to get into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a lot of this goes back to the time of Christ or well before.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well before.
		All right.
		I have a lot of emails and messages, Evelyn, and you're going to hear it because we always do when we open the lines from people who have just had nothing but the most atrocious bad luck in their lives.
		I mean, like one thing, one disaster, personal disaster after another.
		And it gets to the point where they think that they've been attacked or are being attacked.
		So a lot of times that can be absolutely true.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it really can.
		Very much so.
		You can be under psychic attack.
		There are people out there that have the ability to place a curse or a spell upon you.
		And they can stop business, destroy your health, relationships.
		They can cause all kinds of things to happen within the home depending on how good the practitioner is, what kind of a spell they're using.
		Are they sending a familiar?
		What kind of magic are they using?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, how do you delineate between somebody who's under attack and somebody who's just having a bad run of luck?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because the run of luck ends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if it's been going on for a big portion of your life and it's never ending, there's a good chance you're being attacked.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		And then usually a person will have a sense about it because, I mean, everything just starts to fall apart.
		Unless a person is aiming in a specific area, and there are some practitioners who want to destroy your marriage or destroy a relationship.
		And so therefore, other things in other areas seem to be all right.
		But this particular area is being targeted for a specific reason.
		Again, it depends on the practitioner and what are they trying to achieve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if somebody is under attack, or they think they're pretty well convinced they're under attack, is there anything they can personally do about it as a general neophyte about magic, or are they best off to come to somebody like yourself?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, what they can do is a cleansing and a protection or a psychic self-defense.
		It's a ritual which will remove the negativity and send it back to the sender if indeed it is an individual that is doing the sending, or it will remove the negativity and that which is blocking and stopping you if you are in a negative cycle.
		And so it's called either cleansing and protection or psychic self-defense.
		And what you're doing is removing the negativity and then putting a shield around you that is impenetrable.
		You can also do that for your home.
		I've noticed a lot of people have been having a lot of difficulties in their home where they have walked into a home, purchased a home, and it has either a spirit or a haunting or it has negative energy going on and they don't know what to do about it.
		And what I decided that I would do for the coast-to-coast audience, for those individuals, because I've had a few emails lately, I wanted them to go to mysticalblend.com.
		And what I did is I put up cleansing and protection of the environment up there so that if they feel that they have a negativity in the home or they feel that there is something in their home that is possibly a spirit, then this is a good way of cleansing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's up on the website.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In voodoo, for example, I've heard it said that for somebody to cast a spell on you that's going to really have effect, you've got to believe in that spell.
		In other words, you've got to believe it can be done to you.
		And if you believe it can be done to you, it indeed can be done to you.
		Real magic, is that true or is it not true?
		In other words, whether or not you believe it can be done to you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, you do not have to believe.
		It will be done to you.
		Again, it is as strong as the practitioner is.
		It depends on the kind of magic they're going to be using.
		Most people in the field are going to be using what we call imitative and sympathetic magic.
		By so doing, they are going to make an effigy of the person, that is the imitative, that which looks like a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like voodoo, you know, the doll with the pins.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And then they're going to have sympathetic, which is an article of clothing unwashed, okay, that is worn close to the body.
		That is infused into the wax figure.
		And so now you have a link established, and that's why it's called imitative sympathetic, to look like and to have that essence of the individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is one more powerful than the other?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Both is what is really good.
		But the sympathetic is excellent.
		Most people know the target they're looking at, and so they can visualize that person.
		But when you have an article of clothing, something of theirs, now you have a real essence, a real link.
		And so after you have that, you have consecrated it in the first and last name of the individual.
		And you're saying something and seeing in your mind that which you want as a result.
		And that's what happens to the person.
		So be it above, so be it below.
		You are manifesting into the physical plane of existence what you desire by what you see and what you do to that effigy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, what is the difference between what you do and what the Wiccans do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
		I use magic.
		They use magic.
		They use natural magic.
		So do I. I think the only difference is they have a code that it is to harm none.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I'm a spiritual warrior.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I don't have that code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if necessity...
unidentified		I fight fire with fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On past shows, I've heard you kind of get into it with some Wiccans on occasion.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I'm just, I'm not recalling the specifics, but I recall a couple of times you kind of got into it with a couple of Wiccans.
		Maybe it was over that exact issue.
		In other words.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I believe it is.
		And I understand where they're coming from, and I believe in what they represent.
		They just don't understand I have to do something different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's my point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do understand.
		And on occasion, there is really no choice.
		You have to go after somebody.
		All right, Evelyn, hold it right there.
		We're talking about witchcraft, real witchcraft.
		And we will get to the phone.
		So if you have a specific question for Evelyn Paglini, you'll have that opportunity.
		From Manila, Philippines, other side of the world, I'm Art Bell.
		Good morning or afternoon or evening, whatever it is, wherever you are.
		And we do have listeners all over the world.
		We are going to get to the phones shortly with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
		Just a couple of more things.
		Somebody wanted us to talk a little more about earthquakes because that seemed to be high on Evelyn's agenda.
		So earthquakes coming up in a moment.
		Did I really say earthquakes coming up in a moment?
		That might not have been the perfect phrase to use.
		Evelyn, you did, though, say, look, let's get as specific as we can.
		I live now in an area not very far from Sumatra, Indonesia.
		We hear about earthquakes every day.
		The people in Southern California are asking me how they're going to fare.
		The people in Middle America have their own fault to worry about.
		And, of course, the East Coast as well.
		So as specific as you can be, what can you tell me about the earthquakes that are coming?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		As specific as I can be, I would be worried about California.
		I'm picking up within the next 12 months there should be two strong earthquakes.
		As far as the Midwest is concerned, I still feel that there's rattling going on.
		We've been having that, and that's going to continue.
		It's going to escalate, but not where I'm seeing big, big damage.
		And I am definitely, again, worried about the East Coast, but more the flooding than the earthquake.
		And now Europe is going to catch it.
		I know China, I feel, is going to catch it.
		Japan, again, is going to get it.
		And Italy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Italy.
		You live in Sherman Oaks.
		You're in Southern California, I guess.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I do, and I'm worried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might you get worried enough if your visions become specific enough that you would leave?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I would call immediately, and yes, I would make sure I got the hell out of Dodge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, California and within the next year.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Within the next year, two major earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two major earthquakes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Two strong earthquakes want to hit California, and I've been doing everything I can with a group of individuals that I know that have really, really been focusing their attention on not having this happen or to lessen the damage or to lessen the intensity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fingers crossed.
		I want to ask you about this, demon possession.
		Is demon possession real?
		Is demon possession rare or is it more common than we know?
		Or tell me about it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Demon possession is definitely real.
		It has been around for centuries.
		It has been talked about in most of the sacred books.
		They are supernatural beings, that Which has never held a human form.
		What they wish is, of course, to walk the land.
		And yes, there is susceptibility, there is vulnerability, and there are those who seek those entities for a specific reason to gain power, to gain knowledge, to gain riches, and they will offer their souls and the souls of others in order to entice and to enhance what they are asking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is possible, in the case of possession, to exorcise such a demon from a person, is it not?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is, depending on the individual who is going to be doing the exorcism.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		They have to be well prepared, well-grounded, and extremely spiritual because they are going to be putting their soul as well as their life in jeopardy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever participated in an exorcism?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I've been thrown across the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it successful in the end?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but it took three days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three days, my God.
		Evelyn, somebody called early in the show and talked about a Ouija board.
		Now, what I told that person, I hope I gave them good advice, but I said, look, I don't know if it's a Ouija board itself, but certainly there's intent.
		When a bunch of people are having a party and think, oh, this would be fun.
		Get out the Ouija board and let's call the dead or whatever.
		I'm not so sure it's a Ouija board itself, but the intent of the people who sit down with that board is to open a door.
		And, you know, once that door is open, why, it's kind of hard to tell who walks through, isn't it?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You just hit the nail right on the head.
		It's not the board.
		What you're doing is you're putting out a call.
		You are asking for a spirit or an entity to make its presence known like you do in a seance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, a seance or Ouija board doesn't make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
		I'm not saying that there are not people out there who have not had very positive outcomes using the Ouija board.
		But there are also many, many stories of people who have used the Ouija board.
		And a spirit has come through that they have not been able to get rid of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In a seance, it has followed them home.
		It has infested their home and their family.
		You might open up a door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not a gambler.
		And that's what it seems like it is.
		It's a gamble.
		Once you open the door, it's a gamble.
		You don't know who's a knocking.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And if you do not put a shield of protection, if you do not prepare yourself before you go into a seance or before you use a tool that is going to be a portal to the other side, then you are asking for trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting question.
		Do you believe in the other side?
		Or is that just a silly question?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have my moments.
		I hope heavily for it.
		You know, I'm 65 years old, so I'm looking closer to the other side than I am, you know, the former side.
		And it's one of those things that we all wonder about.
		And without any question, you believe it's there.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I not only believe the other side, I believe in reincarnation.
		I believe that we come back again and again, that this is a classroom, and that we are here to learn.
		I feel that we are all mighty spiritual beings, only here to experience humanness and to grow spiritually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you studied Buddhism at all?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot in common with Buddhism.
		You know, they believe in there's the bardo and there's reincarnation essentially.
		And that is, so it seems like it's a tenet that goes across reincarnation was once in the Bible.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It was also, you know, in Egypt.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's across the religions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I often wonder about it, Evelyn.
		In other words, what is the point of reincarnation?
		If you don't have conscious memories to recall a prior life's mistakes, then how can you correct them?
		In other words, what is the value?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Because the soul learns, and we still have choices.
		If we had the burden of our mistakes on our mind, then we wouldn't be making the choices free will.
		But the soul knows.
		The soul grows.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		If you don't mind, let's, you know, a lot, a lot of people have questions, so let's go to the lines and try and answer some of them.
		Let's say you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michael in Eugene, Oregon, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini in Arpell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, thanks for taking my call.
		Hey, I agree with so much you're saying, Evelyn.
		I had a question about herbs.
		I don't want to get into a big conversation about drugs and things, but what about cannabis hemp?
		Is that a healing herb?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear you, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cannabis hemp?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, very definitely.
unidentified		And it can be utilized.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can.
unidentified		Okay, because it's a big controversy around the world today.
		You know, I mean, the illegality of it and everything.
		But you have used that in the past yourself.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't, but it can be.
unidentified		It can be.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good answer.
		And an interesting question.
		I wonder if cannabis will eventually.
		Well, it is slowly being legalized in many states in the U.S. Federal government's not real happy about it, and they frequently rush in and try and change things.
		But the movement, at least in the U.S., seems to be toward legalization.
		It is something that just grows in the ground, right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is, and it can definitely be used.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a lot of studies, Evelyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to get really off track here, but it does seem significantly less harmful than alcohol.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's supposed to be extremely good for health.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm supposed to be good for individuals who have cancer, who have pain, who have nauseousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cataracts in the eyes, all kinds of uses.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		For glaucoma, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Glaucoma, yes.
		So, you know, there it is.
		And just in these difficult financial times, I was told that if it were legalized, it would provide about a half trillion dollars.
		That was some years ago, probably more now.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That would certainly help the economy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
		All right.
		Let's go to the middle, upper middle, Bismarck, North Dakota.
		And Patrick, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I've seen a little bird when I was sitting outside of a bar at around 6, 5 in the morning.
		And it's called the A-Ren.
		But I know it's a sacred being.
		And I wanted to know if she had seen it.
		And there's a few other things that I'd like to mention.
		Like the satanic symbol of Baphome, and you have the right-hand path and the left-hand path are kind of like a yin and yang thing.
		And I think most times that you would see an image of Baphomy, it's evil.
		But I think I've actually seen a benevolent form.
		But the idea of a neutral energy or a gray energy, you know, like you've got your yin and yang and then a druid trinity symbol, which would be like a gray kind of, you know, ominous force that kind of controls the yin and the yang.
		And I am dealing with psychic attack by people every day.
		I'm hearing people say duh to me.
		And that's from the Necronomicon.
		And I've delved into the Necronomicon, and it has helped me.
		But I'm suffering with a lot of demons.
		And I'd like to be a stronger, superior person than I am now.
		And I've talked to an exorcist in town here, and he's pondering whether he would do it.
		And usually when I talk to him, I sound like an idiot, but he says I would have to give up all my spiritual beliefs that weren't Christian.
		And that doesn't sound like a good compromise for me because I see so much virtue in Hindu mystical and Buddhism.
		But the thing that occurred to me, which would be a blessing there, I don't know if you've ever heard of animism, but animism is a belief of spirits everywhere, even outer space, inanimate objects, people, animals, trees, whatever, streams and rivers and the sun, you know.
		But, you know, I think the virtue of animism would be there if I were to turn over to the mystic Christian.
		And I want to know if she thinks that I should be exorcised of demons by the Catholic priesthood here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		Hold on right there.
		You know, I wonder sometimes, Evelyn, you know, people with psychological difficulties frequently think that they are possessed or, you know, they hear voices or what have you.
		And how you separate I don't know whether that managed to come across the radio or not, but we're having a gigantic thunderstorm out here right now.
		We just had a big crash of thunder.
		How do you separate the two?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would have to completely do an investigation, have a conversation with the individual, find out the background, what's been going on, if they've had any problems before in the past.
		It's a complete interrogation, practically.
		But what this young man is talking about, he's given me so many things to ask.
		First of all, as far as the pentagram is concerned, okay, he's talking about Buffomit, which is the goat of Mendes.
		And there is no neutrality there.
		There is no gray.
		And as far as the pentagram, if it's two points up, it's satanic.
		And so there is no gray.
		If he wants to find a Trinity going, that would not be the way to do it.
		And as far as a demon attack, he hasn't told me what kind of attack he's under, what is the symptoms, what kind of things are going on with him.
		Is it happening in one place?
		Is it happening at night?
		Is there anything that is going on with his skin?
		Are there any lesions?
		Are there any bumps, bruises, scratches?
		In other words, I'd have to really ask a lot of questions before I could tell him he sounds like he needs definitely psychic self-defense.
		I don't know about an exorcism.
		As far as the gentleman that he recommended or is recommending to him to give up his spirituality, that I don't trust at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people sitting in psychiatric institutions right now around the world do you suppose don't belong there from a spiritual point of view?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they've been under attack or are under attack and it's seen as a psychiatric illness.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		40 to 45 percent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good lord.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It's very misunderstood.
		You try to talk to somebody, even if it's a counselor, a psychiatrist, even a priest, most of the time, they will not believe it.
		They don't want to believe it even exists.
		There's a man out there that all of his life went through all of the martial arts, loved it, was drawn to it, didn't understand why, and yet today he knows why.
		Because the last few years he came under psychic attack and he is now a spiritual warrior.
		But he needed to know the discipline of the mind to be able to fight the kind of evil he is up against now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, he also mentioned a bird at the beginning of the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there times when you see an animal and seeing that animal at that time, at that place, in that way means something?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		It can be a messenger.
		It can be giving you a warning.
		It can be sometimes a totem giving you a sign.
		It depends.
		If it's in a shadow form, then I'd be worried because you might be under shadow magic.
		And so, therefore, it depends, again, what it is.
		Anytime you see an animal, there may be a reason.
		It can also be a familiar used as psychic attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back up a little bit.
		Shadow magic.
		Explanation, please.
		What is that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's when you use See, there's an old tradition that the shadow is still a part of the soul, the essence of the soul, because it is us.
		And if you use shadow, you can use it as a...
		Yes.
		Or creating a shadow by using a figure or a doll or a sculpture of an animal.
		And you target an individual.
		I'm telling you something that is very old and most people do not know about art.
		You always say this to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Continue, please.
		Whispering it in my ear.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Shadow people can sometimes be seen and they don't understand.
		They think they're seeing an interdimensional being.
		And yes, it can be, but at other times it is a familiar, that which has been cast, that which has been created by a practitioner in order to do you harm or to come upon you and investigate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen shadow beings or shadows, whatever they are.
		I've seen them.
		And I said this a long time ago when we started this whole shadow people thing.
		You see them not directly so much.
		That's very rare.
		You see them sort of as flitting sort of images in your peripheral vision.
unidentified		It's really weird, but you do see them from the corner of your eye.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		But a practitioner will create a shadow or will use an object and cast a shadow on a target, like a subject, like a person.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Let's say I'm going to create a shadow of a wolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to send a wolf after you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold that thought.
		Perhaps just keep holding that thought.
		Send a wolf after me.
		My goodness, we're at another breakpoint.
		Boy, we've got a whiz-bang thunderstorm going on out there.
		The power is flickering back and forth.
		And so I'll cross fingers.
		Hope it all sticks together for the remainder of the show, which is with Evelyn Paglini.
		Be right back.
		I am a creature of the night.
		There's no question about that.
		It's interesting.
		Occasionally, when you fly from the United States to the flip side of the world, it sort of resets you, and for a while you're up during the day.
		But, you know, I've done this show for so many years, decades actually, that slowly, you know, I think, oh, now it's wonderful.
		I'm over here and I can actually stay awake during the day.
		All that changes, and the slow creep begins until eventually I'm staying awake once again until 2 or 3, typically, 3 o'clock in the morning is when we go to bed.
		And it doesn't seem to matter, even though I have that sort of opportunity when I fly from here to there or there to here, to turn it all around, I slowly creep to staying up late again, and that's me, a creature of the night.
		We have two seasons here in the Philippines, summer and the rainy season.
		And we are presently in the rainy season with a very violent thunderstorm over us right now.
		So the internet's in and out, and the power is going every now and then.
		So we'll see how this hour goes with Dr. Evelyn Paglini and your calls.
		It'll continue in a moment.
		The weather is very much like Florida or Hawaii.
		You know, it's the tropics, and so when it rains, it pours.
		That old expression really, really does have effect here.
		All right.
		Evelyn Paglini, by the way, she's got a phone number.
		Probably the easiest way for most of you, which is ARIA code 818-700-9345.
		If you didn't get it earlier, 818-700-9345.
		And please call during the day, not now.
		There's nobody there to answer now.
		Evelyn, if you're ready, we will continue.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On the international line, probably Canada, I think.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Tina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tina.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		I apologize in advance.
		I'm really nervous.
		I have been waiting for this opportunity for such a long time.
		I have two questions, and they're in regards to, I guess, demonic or when somebody has brought up animals, whether they can represent something.
		And the other question would be about personal attack or curse.
		The first is I grew up in an extremely abusive environment.
		And because of that, I became very close with animals and have quite a tight connection, maybe even rare connection to animals.
		And recently, some things have been happening that I really need help.
		I need an answer.
		And what's been happening is every night I drive 4-11.
		I deliver all night in the middle of the night.
		And there's an area that gives me, it makes my stomach turn whenever I need to get to the street.
		And on one occasion, I didn't feel good about going there.
		And I still kept going anyway.
		And A bird started flying in front of the vehicle, even though it was nighttime, and birds don't really fly at night because they're blind.
		And it kept making chirps, and then it landed on the ground in front of my vehicle, not allowing me to proceed.
		And it did this three separate times.
		Eventually, I was able to continue going.
		And as I did, I heard a dog being tortured.
		It was a cry like no other.
		And when I turned my car and said, forget it, every street light went off one by one.
		And that felt like an omen that I definitely shouldn't be there.
		And if that wasn't enough, all of a sudden, an animal literally appeared on the road.
		And had I kept driving, it would have been dead center of my vehicle.
		And I thought it was roadkill.
		And like I do with all roadkill, I usually remove it from the road because I find it disrespectful to know somebody else will run it over again.
		And as I prepared to pick it up, I walked up to it and I went to grab the hind legs to drag it.
		And it actually turned its head and looked at me, which made me jump.
		But what was worse is he shouldn't have been alive.
		He had an eye hanging out.
		He had brain matter all over his face.
		The front of his skull was completely disintegrated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was his animal?
unidentified		Sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the animal?
unidentified		This one was a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
unidentified		And then, you know, it sat up and just stared at me.
		And it was so, it should have been dead to the point where its head was just kind of swaying back.
		It was just horrific.
		So I did get help in having him euthanized at a clinic.
		And then the next night, I'm driving, and sure enough, same neighborhood, same bad feeling.
		A rabbit literally just pops up, appears on the road, dead center of the vehicle.
		It too is sitting up.
		When I walk up to it, sure enough, it's missing most of its face.
		And again, I had it euthanized.
		Now, my question would be, I have had things that happen very negative.
		This one is one of the top negative occurrences because of my love for animals.
		And some of the negativity, I'm wondering if it came from my own biological mother, because when I was young, she was the source of all my abuse.
		But she used to curse me literally outright verbally saying, I hope you have a daughter.
		And I hope when you do give birth to a daughter, I hope she's hell.
		And I hope she breaks your heart.
		And at age six, I lost her.
		And her curse came true.
		I mean, I really am heartbroken.
		I still have problems with that.
		And it was hell raising her because she was very sick.
		And then finally, we found out about a brain tumor, et cetera.
		And then my mother would curse me of all kinds of other ills, you know, wish me doom.
		And so.
		So my questions were about whether or not all these animals were that well, whether or not, you know, your own biological mother could have stronger curses than others or whether demonic or whether these animals being there are representing something because with all the negativity, I'm also one of the only people that I know who has survived a serial killer and met another one.
		And the odds of almost any of these events happening to one person are astronomical, much less numerous.
		Numerous people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
		Okay.
		Pause it there.
		That's a lot to deal with.
		But stay on the line.
		Just stop for a second.
		And Evelyn, what do you make of that?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		All right, Tina, for one thing, you have more than one thing that's going on.
		I feel that, yes, an energy has been sent to you and has been accumulating on you, and that is why you have had a series of things that have been devastating to you.
		As far as these animals are concerned, I got the distinct feeling that one, if not two, gave up their life to save you.
		And I felt another was a warning.
		But I know, I feel it in my soul, that you were stopped for a reason and they gave their life for you.
		And I think if you had continued, you would have had an accident and not have walked away from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that, Tina?
unidentified		Oh, that feels better than what the church people told me.
unidentified		They told me that something that negative would represent more to do with having problems with demons torturing me because growing up, oh my God, the stories I could tell you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, that you have two things going on.
		A negative energy that has been sent to you and has been accumulated.
		I said that already.
unidentified		Could.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Two separate things going on here, honey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, could her mother have, you know, without being a practitioner as you are, you know, I mean, she sounded like she put a curse on her daughter.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The demon's seed is like the evil.
		If you wish it upon and you continually visualize it and send it and send it, yes, because it's a thought form.
		And it becomes real.
		And yes, it will manifest on her.
		Jeannie's on my card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your recommendation to her is.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That was a hell of a cleansing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, mysticalblend.com.
		Let's go to the wildcard line.
		Without knowing the name of the city, you're on the air, so give them to us.
unidentified		Art Bill, Dr. Paglini, God bless you.
		This is Corner from Alexandria, Louisiana.
		I love your art and George and your call screener, Gina.
		Y'all are all great.
		Look, Art, I was the one that predicted if the Saints win the Super Bowl, it'd be the end of the world.
		So what I want to ask Dr. Paglini, if the Saints go undefeated this year and win the Super Bowl, will it be the end of the world?
		And one more question.
		Will Iran and Israel go to war.
		And I'll take my answer off the air.
		God bless you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you have it, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		We have prayers that the latter will not happen.
		And as far as the end of the world is concerned, no.
		There is the cleansing, but no, not the end.
		We just have to love one another, help one another, and get through these times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing to wish for, and it seems more remotely impossible to occur every day almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just, there's so much negativity, so much.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		That's why collective mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate to reach out and use the 60s bad vibes, but boy, they're growing.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Wildcard Line, you're on here with Evelyn Paglini and Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art and Evelyn.
		My name is Joe.
		I'm calling from Long Beach, California.
		I was wondering, several years ago, I was, before I was ready to move out of Los Angeles and back home, to move from Los Angeles to back home, I was told by a girl who claimed to be psychic that there was a lot of negative energy being sent my way, and that if I didn't leave soon, that it would manifest and somehow hurt me.
		And I had just a week or so after that, I was in a really bad car accident.
		And I was just wondering, is there a way to tell if that is actually, if that was the truth?
		And it seemed like there have been other weird, bad things that have happened to me after that event.
		I don't know if it was the energy being sent by my roommates at the time.
		It just sounds bizarre to me, but I was wondering if there's a way you know that I could tell what was happening.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, there usually is no coincidence.
unidentified		Okay.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And for it to happen that quickly, that to me was reinforcing what was being said.
		You were given an option, and it said if you stay, things are going to get worse.
		And so maybe your path was for that time not to be here.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You made the choice.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so you set other things in motion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to some degree, I don't agree with the fact that there is no – There is coincidence, but not in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, and the woman was very specific to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So let's go to the whatever it is, I guess, West of the Rockies, perhaps?
		No, first time caller line.
		How about that?
		You're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Brittany.
		I'm 20 years old, and I have really bad panic attacks, and I have anxiety attacks.
		I have a job, and it's hard for me to make friends.
		The only people that I'm friends with are 30 years older than me, and I've never had a boyfriend, and I just want to know if I'm going to be okay.
		I'm always scared, and I worry constantly.
		Do you know if I'm ever going to be okay?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay, these are personal questions, and I do not like to get into personal questions on the air.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		If you have a paranormal question or a question about magic...
unidentified		Okay.
		And she said she saw him and no one in the house would wake up.
		Her dad wouldn't wake up.
		She said he always wakes up for her.
		And that night he didn't wake up.
		And the next day, they looked out of the window and there were, well, they looked out in the yard.
		It had been raining.
		There were these big, giant footprints, like big foot.
		Do you know what that was?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, ma'am, I don't.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard, let's circle back to the question she was asking, personal questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I understand that you're not going to address that sort of thing on the air, but on a personal basis, when you do consultations, Evelyn, I take it that you do deal with those kinds of questions.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		But I'm not going to say it on air because I would have to get very personal with her.
		And I don't feel that the audience would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I completely understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to clarify that you do deal with personal questions, Just Mont.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Love, money, health, family, travel, opportunity, change, everything.
		If you want the edge on the future, I'm the one that they usually call to find out what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I know that we're about to speak to Tara in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
		Hi, Tara.
		Tara?
		Going once?
		Going.
		Well, maybe it's not Tara.
		I'm sorry.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Tara's on another line.
		Hello, Wildcard Line.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Great.
		My name is Sao Chen, and it was very nice to speak to you.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear your first name.
unidentified		Shao Chen.
unidentified		Cao Chin.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you spell that?
unidentified		S-H-A-O-C-H-U-N.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I'm Chinese.
unidentified		It's a Chinese name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chinese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say Chinese.
unidentified		Yes.
		This is like a prayer because I am very in despair because coincidentally, my friend told me about this show.
		That's what I've been listening to almost every night.
		And I was hoping that something like this will be on air and then just happen today.
		So it's wonderful.
		But just to make the story short, I have a son and I have a boyfriend.
		We live together.
		And just two years ago, everything falls apart.
		Just one bad event after another.
		And before the summer, I had a dream that he was his ex-girlfriend.
		And of course, he showed up, and then they had a fair.
		So that's the end of that.
		So now my family is apart, and I haven't seen my son for four months because he took him over the sea because it's just a mess.
		And I also found out that this woman has a connection with Egypt.
		She goes to Egypt quite a lot.
		So it's very strange.
		And also, over just before that happened, I saw a lot of crow.
		Everywhere I go, I see just a mass amount of crow flying over my head, just driving down the road.
		It will be crows everywhere.
		At my work, crows will be near the lawn.
		So I don't know.
		I'm suspecting something is wrong, and I feel very deep connection with him, and I'm just heartbroken.
		And recently, I just have a lot of strange dreams, just dreams after dreams, and I can't explain some violent dreams and something else.
		Also, there's another dream, but he's with another woman, and I found out that in his country over the summer, he went to France, and he had a fair with another old girlfriend of his.
		So it just means that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to hold it there because we're at a breakpoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it sounds like, again, it comes under the category of personal, but the constant crow sightings, how might that fit in, Evelyn, very quickly?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		The crows are the messengers giving her the warning, and her own psychic ability is giving her the dreams that are coming true and that she's finding out later about him.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Best thing to do is to forget him and move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better off without, right?
		Got it.
		Okay.
		This is an intense program.
		No doubt about that.
		From the flip side of the world, I'm Arbell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Intense.
		Definitely an intense program.
		Good morning.
		I'm Arbell going in for George and R. We have the evening off.
		Good morning off, I guess.
		And my guest is Dr. Ellen McLean.
		And now we go to 110.
		You don't want us to not do that right now.
		We have to take these commercial breaks or we get in big trouble.
		So commercial break, go ahead and we'll be right back.
		All right.
		Let us correct an injustice and let's actually go to Mountain Rouge, Louisiana.
		And Tara, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, I was calling to ask Ellen about the house I live in.
		It feels that it has something in it that is attacking me specifically.
		My husband and I moved in about nine years ago.
		And there's sounds, there's things in the attic, and there's bumps like in the on the front door and things.
		And physically, I have just gone downhill.
		I have aches, pains, and we've cleansed the house.
		My husband's planted crystals at each corner of the property.
		And, you know, what can we do?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Honey, when you said you cleansed the house, what did you do?
unidentified		Well, we said the Lord's prayer, and we go around and we, you know, in each room, as we're saying Lord's prayer, we'll sprinkle salt in the corners, and that's all that we do.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, no, that's not a cleansing.
		On my website under Mystical Blend, go to Magic 101, and I have got the complete free instructions how to cleanse and protect the environment.
		Please do that first, and you will probably notice within 24 hours a lifting and an energy release, and you will notice that your vitality will start to come back.
		And you can also email me after you have completed that cleansing and protection.
		And if you still are having sounds, then we will use bigger guns.
		But I believe that's what you need first, honey.
		You did not do a cleansing on this.
unidentified		They'll go away.
unidentified		It's like they'll go away for, or it'll go away for a while, and then it comes back with a force.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, with a vengeance, yeah, because you're not really getting rid of it.
		There's a complete cycle to go through, and you're not doing it.
		And what I would want you to do is, do I have a couple of minutes?
		Sure.
		Once you do the cleansing protection that I have on the instructions, please, honey, get yourself either protection oil, rosemary oil, or rose geranium oil.
		And what I want you to do, and this is very important, I want you to use the oil, putting it on the index finger of your power hand, which is your right hand if you're right-handed.
		I want you to draw a circle on the headboard of your bed using the oil.
		And then I want you to...
		And you put it on the wall behind your head.
		And then I want you to draw a cross in the center of that circle.
		Now, while you're drawing the cross, and this is very important, I want you to say this out loud and with gusto.
		There is no evil or negativity that can cross this barrier.
		So be it.
		It is done.
		And now nothing and no one will get at you at night.
		And then I want you to do the same thing on the inside and the outside of your bedroom door and your front door and your back door.
		You're only going to change one word, and that word is threshold.
		You're going to say there is no evil or negativity that can cross this threshold.
		So be it.
		It is done.
		You are not cleansing that home, my dear.
unidentified		Obviously not.
		It's been about eight, nine years, and it's still coming.
		It hasn't really gone away completely.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, there's a complete routine.
		Please follow it.
		All doors must be closed.
		All windows must be closed.
		You can only open up one door or one Window in the back of the apartment or the home.
		You will feel a buildup of energy as you go through the cleansing, and that is why you are pushing it toward the back of the house and eventually out of that window and that door.
		Again, the entire instructions is on my website under Magic 101.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, so many people out there have moved into an apartment and don't realize or a home and that they should cleanse that home before they move in or that apartment because walls have ears.
		If people have been fighting and arguing in that home, it's going to seep in to the walls.
		If people have been sick for a long, long time and suffering, that too is going to be there, let alone if there is a spirit or an energy force or a negativity that has been sent.
		So you must cleanse the home because it'll start fights, arguments.
		It'll drain you of energy.
		It'll make you sick.
		It feeds off of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Evelyn, there must be a lot of truth in that because in many, if not all, states, when you buy a home where something, whether there's, I don't know, been a murder or a haunting or something like that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Or someone died in the home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or someone died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're required by law to be told of that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I have a client that has lost three deals because his mother died in the bedroom.
		And once a cleansing is done, you will be able to breathe in that home.
		But right now, even if someone would buy it, I would not want to live in it until it was cleansed because anybody living in there is going to get sick.
		That woman was there for two and a half years dying of cancer.
		It is in, you can cut it with the knife.
		You can walk in there and cut it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so please, people out there, cleanse the home.
		It's a very simple task, and you will notice the difference immediately.
		And then you can bring in good energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, this is Jeff in Casper, California, and it's always great to hear you two interact.
		Evelyn, last night, George mentioned that you've been under the weather recently, and I'm glad to hear you sounding so good tonight.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		Well, thank you, and thank you, Art, for having Dr. Paglini on.
		The question I have is earlier you mentioned about earthquakes and some friends you were working with on diminishing the intensity of those quakes.
		I've always been curious when earthquakes, fires, floods are presented to the coast audience, if there isn't an instantaneous spike of mass consciousness in the form of, oh, wow, I sure hope that doesn't happen, that may tend to diminish that.
		And then, of course, on the repeat, once again, you're right on target, honey.
		Wow.
		And I'm curious as to the earthquakes you mentioned, of what magnitude, and is it possible one could happen up here in Northern California, or are they both going to be more oriented towards Southern California?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		No, there is Northern California, and I do not want to mention the magnitude again because you're holding back the energy.
		I'm sorry, it's where I come from.
		In other words, I don't want to give it force.
		If I say it's going to be a 6-2 or a 6-7, I want it to be a 5-4.
		And so I'm not going to put it out there.
		When I really know it and I can't get away from it, then I'll say it.
		But until that time, I've got to try to diminish it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, he had such a very good point, though.
unidentified		Oh, he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you started it art.
		Yeah, if something is announced, then he's right.
		I mean, everybody said, oh, my God, I hope that doesn't happen.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And I started it a long time ago with focusing your audience's mind and the power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Let's see.
		This would be East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Evelyn?
		Yes.
		Hi.
		I wasn't sure if you had me on there or not.
		Yeah, I just want to say it's a pleasure to speak to you both.
		You guys had mentioned a Ouija board a couple times earlier, and you had mentioned about how it kind of opens the door to whatever could be there.
		My question is regarding all these ghost shows with the ghost hunters and everything.
		And you see them going around just calling out for something to identify itself or whatever.
		And I was just wondering, wouldn't that be almost identical to what's being done with a Ouija board?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say yes, but yes, you are doing the same thing.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You are putting out a call.
		The only thing that's different in a Ouija board is it's a concentrated area, same thing in a seance.
		When you're going to a haunted place, you're usually going to be traveling and you're trying to identify where it's at.
		When you're calling a seance, you're bringing it to a specific place, but you're putting out a call and you're asking for it to use all of the energy in that room, including yourself, and even your bodily functions and your vocal cords, in order to make itself known, hopefully pleasing a violin in nonviolence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn and I frequently do an EVP show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you've heard them.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a couple up in Utah, and they do that.
		They say, identify yourself.
		You know, they're trying to get these electronic voices, and they do get them.
		It's unnerving.
		But it's opening a door, and I've asked them time and time again, aren't you concerned?
		And even they keep saying no.
		Even been followed home once or twice, and still they continue doing what they're doing.
		I think at some risk, and I've always told them that, but they say no.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do know that they are taking some risk.
		And most of the time, they're going after residual haunting.
		They are not trying to call upon a spirit or an entity and asking it to come in.
		You're not asking for Aunt Lucy.
		You're asking for anything.
		And that's when you can get something that you didn't bargain for, something you didn't know was going to come through and you don't know how to deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, Donald, have a lot of time.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, this is me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Oh, oh, hello.
		Yeah, this is my name's Joe.
		I'm calling from Pittsburgh.
		So great to hear your voice on the program again, Arco.
		I love when you're on.
		Dr. Paglini, you have a great program tonight.
		My question has to do with astral projection.
		A couple years ago, I started having out-of-body experiences.
		I had like five or six, like in a one-year time period, and they were very powerful.
		And I've done some amazing things while I was out-of-body.
		But I haven't had a full-blown out-of-body experience in almost a year.
		And I'm just wondering, Dr. Pagline, if you have any tips or suggestions for so I can, you know, what techniques have you been using of late?
		Lately, I actually just started a couple new techniques that I decided to focus on.
		One of them, I've been using a shamanic herb called salvia divinorum, and I've had some success with that.
		And I've also been working on something called binaural beats.
		It's like brain synchronization, if you ever heard of that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
		I'll tell you, with the brain synchronization, why don't you try using this?
		In your mind's eye, picture yourself on a trapeze and while holding the bar swinging out.
		And do this every single night until you really swing so far out that you absolutely let go.
unidentified		Yeah, I actually...
		Yeah, I actually have been having some success with that.
		Very good.
		Have you ever heard of the special monic herb, the Salvia divinorum?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Any information you can give on that?
		Because I've been using that recently, and it's really an amazing herb.
		And I just wonder what information you can give on that.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Fortunately, I cannot, no, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Evelyn, is there any...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any danger in out-of-body experiences?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the time, people are going to be traveling to a specific destination.
		Sometimes they will go way out, but there is no real danger.
		You're always going to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they say.
		And I've always wondered about that.
		So you two say that.
		Interesting.
		Mary in Tarzana, California.
		You're on the air with Dr. Paglini.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have a success story for Dr. Paglini.
		And then I have a very quick question.
		And, Doctor, you gave me a telephone reading several years ago.
		You told me that if I killed myself, which I was planning to do, that I'd have to come back and live this whole freaking life over again.
		And I didn't want to do it because it's been hard enough the first time.
		And that has kept me alive for several years.
		So thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		But the question is, is there any way that from this lifetime we can sort of program our next lifetime?
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		I think in living it, you're programming it in the choices that you make.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		In your heart, you know you've done better.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I wouldn't want to learn these lessons again.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		And so therefore, you have already climbed the steps to make the next round better.
unidentified		Oh.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You already know the answer.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You just needed me to confirm it, Mary.
unidentified		I think you're right.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		God bless you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Mary Ann.
		Take care.
		Running awfully short on time here.
		Livermore, California brings Mike.
		Welcome to the show, Mike.
unidentified		Oh, good evening, Art.
		I'll try to keep this short as possible.
		My wife is very intuitive, and it's basically she feels what others feel in pain mostly.
		The best way to describe it, a friend of mine, my wife was really distraught, feeling like she lost her best friend, everything else.
		She didn't know what it was.
		She's crying.
		A half hour later, a friend calls, says his wife died.
		She feels it from the other side, too.
		We are in Tennessee.
		We're visiting some Civil War historical places.
		We're in this house.
		There's a tour going on.
		At one point, we were standing in a room by ourselves, and my wife turned pale white.
		And I'm looking at her, trying to figure out.
		She's having trouble breathing.
		Finally, I grabbed her and pulled her away from that spot.
		She started breathing again.
		The tour guide came back out of the other room, started describing what was going on in this room.
		She said that somebody had gotten shot in the neck and bled to death in that spot.
		We look down.
		There's blood on the floor.
		My daughter, at one point, we're going to a football game in the morning.
		My wife looks at me and says, I can't go.
		Okay.
		At this point, I've learned to believe her.
		When she says she can't do things, she can't.
		I go to the game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, intuitive empathy.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
		She's feeling what others feel from the other side, from here and now.
		And I get home from the football game.
		She says, we have to take my daughter to the hospital right now.
		My daughter came home in the morning, went to bed.
		My wife got up, went into her room.
		She's running 105 temperature.
		My wife put her in the bath, iced her down.
		My daughter at the time, she said she's at her friend's house at night.
		In the morning, she woke up.
		She was saying, mom, don't go to the game.
		Don't go to the game.
		And I took her to the hospital.
		She had a kidney failure.
		She lost a kidney.
		They put 11 bags of saline in her.
		If my wife hadn't felt this, she'd be dead.
		My question is, is there any way she can control it?
		She has no control.
		She just gets these feelings, and she doesn't know where they're coming from.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, it's very difficult.
		It is a training process that has to go on, a discipline.
		There will be times that she won't be able to stop it.
		That happens to me.
		It just keeps gnawing at you because it's urgent, it needs to be told.
		You need to pay attention to it.
		But there are other times where you can allow a specific time of day where you will go into a meditative state and therefore allow that to come in.
		But for everyone, it's very important to realize something.
		The incredible thing to remember is this.
		You are all psychic right now.
		And when you activate your psychic abilities, the answers to life's most important questions will come to you with astonishing accuracy.
		Listen to your inner voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on that note, we're done.
		We're out of time.
		We're controlled by the clock, Evelyn.
		So it has been an incredible program.
		It's been an intense, incredible program.
		No doubt about it.
		Thank you for being here, and we will do it again.
		In the meantime, I hope they contact you.
		Your number is 800-700-9345.
		Thank you, Evelyn.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
evelyn paglini ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
		That's Evelyn Paglini.
		She's a witch, but she certainly is intense, isn't she?
		This has been a wild one.
		It's been my pleasure filling in for George Norrie.
		Until next, a call my name from Manila, the Philippines, way over on this side of the world.
		It's truly been my pleasure.

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