Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society explore EVPs—voices recorded at haunted sites like Utah’s Wilshire Theater, where a child’s unclear phrase ("I’m seeing a whole bunch down there" or "I see a hole down here") sparked debate. Their methods, including late-night solo recordings with condenser mics, yield eerie responses like "come back" to commands or a baby’s cry on a headstone, defying skepticism despite controlled conditions. A caller recounts their deceased sister’s 1971 car accident matching Neil Young’s Don’t Let It Bring You Down, while theories range from electromagnetic manipulation to telepathic vibrations. Art Bell and his guests ponder whether spirits rely on technology or adapt unseen, leaving listeners questioning if the dead communicate through sound—or if science just hasn’t caught up yet. [Automatically generated summary]
From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be, in whatever time zone you reside in.
I'm Art Bell, filling in for George Norrie with a well-deserved night off.
And this is the beginning of the season of the witch.
Good day, everybody.
Tonight, we will do the GIS.
That's the Ghost Investigators Society.
And then we will follow it up in a couple of days on Halloween, on All Hallows Eve, actually, with Ghost to Ghost, the traditional ghost-to-ghost program that we've been doing for so very many years now.
So it's ghost-on-ghost, as it were.
All the ABs are well.
The current picture of Miss Asia was taken only a few days ago, so you might take a good look at that.
She's growing.
Oh, my God, is she growing?
And talking and talking and talking and talking.
And she wants to grow quickly.
Anyway, you might take a look at that.
It's right on the front page, and you can click on more, and it'll get bigger.
So all are well, including the fur-bearing members, Yeti, Abby, and Dolly.
I want to take a moment and lay down, well, I hate to call them rules, but they are.
For a ghost-to-ghost, Halloween night, of course.
It's just us, and it's just ghost stories.
There would be only one story per customer.
One per customer.
No, oh, Arn, I've got another one for you.
Pick your best one and give it your best shot.
Only the scariest need apply.
Give us a short version when you are answered.
We will have a screener.
And sort of give the short version to the screener so we can separate the spirits from those celebrating the night, consuming spirits.
And if you have a short ghost story, you'd like to float to this side of the world, I am on the other side of the world now, you know, you can email it to me, and I may choose to read it on the air or may not.
If I don't, please don't be disappointed, but it's got to be short to the point and scary.
So if you want to email a ghost story, it's Art Bell.
I am Art Bell at mindspring.com.
Let me do that again.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring, M-I-N-D, S-P-R-I-N-G dot com.
And I certainly will choose to read some of them on the air.
All right.
We'll take a very quick break and come back and just do a couple of...
Is that right?
An election?
Possible changes occurring?
Something like that.
But all of that is for another day and another show.
This show is going to concentrate on ghosts.
So in a moment, with a few words I've got to say ahead of their appearance, comes the GIS.
Stay right where you are.
All right, let's talk a little bit about ghosts, shall we?
Because that's what the next couple of shows that I'm going to do, including tonight, are going to be about.
I don't know, I truly don't know what ghosts are.
And I don't know too many people who could say affirmatively they know what they are.
I'm going to be very honest with you here.
I'm sort of a religious person.
I guess I'm a little agnostic, you know, in the sense that I'm not absolutely sure about anything.
I'm getting to that time in my own life where I'm looking down that long, dark hall, and whether there is a bright light at the end or not, I haven't fully determined and probably won't until the time comes.
However, I have experienced the presence of spirits.
Do I know what they are?
In other words, are they the soul of a person who has at one time lived on earth?
Or could they be indeed spirits, but not of the dead?
I don't know.
But I do know I've experienced them.
And so many others that I've talked to have experienced them.
So something's there.
I don't know what it is.
Is it a ghost?
Is it a person who was once alive?
I think I lean toward yes.
But I don't, to be honest with you, have any absolute answers about anything in my mind.
And I think if I did, I don't know that I could do this program the way I do.
In other words, if I have resolved everything, then I guess I'd be doing more of lecturing than I would wondering and exploring.
And wondering and exploring is what I like to do.
Anyway, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are members of the GIS, the Ghost Investigators Society.
And this is, I think, the most interesting, what would be the right word?
The most interesting avenue to go down to try and figure out what's out there.
Why do I think that?
Well, they go out with recorders.
I think they've moved pretty much from tape recorders to the digital medium.
And they go to cemeteries.
They go to haunted locations.
They go to all these sorts of places that I wouldn't go.
And they record.
And what they get is pretty scary at times.
Not to them.
I've talked to them about that.
They're not scared of it.
But they definitely get it.
They get these voices.
Now, they haven't written a book.
They don't even take donations.
They do it from their own pocket.
There's absolutely nothing in what they do, and this has been over probably a decade now, that raises any red flags for me.
They do this because they want to know, just as we want to know.
So with that as a basis, you know, over the years, I've never found a single thing that I could be suspicious of.
Not a single thing with this group.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, educate anybody who thinks that they may have been experiencing ghostly phenomena.
Are those or those who are just, as I am, simply curious, in an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs that you're going to hear will help demonstrate that the consciousness, that consciousness, ours, does survive after the body dies.
You see, I'm not sure about that part.
And that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
May do that.
So I would like to welcome them to the show.
Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
And I've got to say, I mean, as far as, you know, what we're recording actually being ghosts as in spirits, you know, a person that's lived, died, maintaining the same personality that they had.
Anyway, it seems like, you know, the compassion that comes with these voices, it's just such a human thing.
I don't see where it's, you know, we're picking up radio transmissions or we're picking up cell phone signals, which is, you know, plenty of people have told us that.
And I really, it sounds to me like these are people.
And that voice that he recorded on his recorder that had fallen out of his hands when he fell, when she said to him, are you okay?
The concern you could hear in her voice.
Now, if this would have been a spirit that was just messing around with us and possibly could have made him fall down the stairs, I think we would have recorded a laugh and not a concerned voice.
When my dear wife Ramona passed away, I will give you this right off the top.
I was in a state of shock.
I went into some kind of horrible state of shock.
However, the next day.
No, the same day, actually, and the next day, and the day following that.
I was in the house.
You know, I had relatives nearby, Jason House.
And all of a sudden, I'm a person who gets warm very easily.
I like air conditioning.
I like to be cool.
There was a spirit with me.
And I got so cold, you two, that I, I mean, I was shaking.
My teeth were chattering.
You can attribute this to shock if you want, and who knows maybe.
But it was beyond all reason.
I was so cold.
I should have been able to see my breath in the air.
I ended up finally having to do this several times.
I went into the shower, turned the water on hot, and just sat down and let the shower beat on me.
That's how, and still I was cold.
I couldn't shake it.
I couldn't shake it.
And this went on for about three days.
I mean, it was horrible.
It went on for three days.
It was horrible, and it was comforting and a little scary, all of that.
And I know she was there.
I know she was there.
I guarantee you she was there.
Since then, I've looked into Buddhism.
The Buddhists believe that after death, the spirit is, well, kind of earthbound for a period of time, days, weeks, whatever it is, and then it moves on.
Well, then, here, you haven't recorded the voice of one of your lost relatives, but have you ever recorded the voice of anybody that you've dealt with, you know, who said, come on over here and record.
We've got something going on.
Have you ever played a tape for somebody who said, oh, my God, that's Uncle Fred?
You know, that seems the most likely explanation for what it is that you get.
Okay, well, when we come back, we're going to start with some EVPs.
I guess we ought to lay down a little bit of electronic voice phenomena simply for those of you who really don't know yet.
There have been movies about it, I would think most people know now, but people like you're listening to this evening who just go out and record originally with standard recorders and audio tape, right?
So, what you're going to hear tonight is scary stuff.
There's no question about it.
It'll put a little bit of a chill down your spine.
And maybe as the evening goes on, you'll be able to, for yourself, answer the question that we posed tonight, and that is, what it is that we're hearing in these recordings?
That's a big question, isn't it?
We'll be right back.
From Manila in the Philippines, other side of the world from the majority of you.
Good, well, evening, morning, afternoon, whatever it is, wherever you are.
Sitting in my lap is Miss Ajabelle, who wants to wish everybody happy Halloween.
And we've had, you know, obviously from being on your show, we have had so many opportunities to do different things like that and been offered, you know, different monetary things.
And we've turned them down strictly because we look at it as the second money comes into play with this, you know, any credibility is pretty much taken away.
And I'm not saying that the people that are out there that do make money don't have any credibility.
I'm not saying that at all.
But as far as how we work, we just wouldn't feel right about doing what we're doing if there's any sort of money involved in it.
Now, in this clip, there's been, you're actually going to hear in a clip a little bit later talking, Barbara says something about a man in a felt hat, and that's one of the ghosts that have been seen in this location, is this old man that wears a felt hat that just kind of walks through walls in the basement.
Yes, that's what I would define a ghost as, a person that's lived, has a body, has died, and for some reason they have not moved on.
And people that experience a visitation like from a loved one and are only, you know, they only experience this dead loved One or somebody that they know one time.
I don't classify that as a ghost.
I think that that person is there for a reason when they experience that event.
I don't consider that a ghost.
A ghost is somebody that is experienced sometimes over hundreds of years, that is witnessed by many people.
These take hours upon hours upon hours to collect and then hours and hours and hours and hours to search for on the recordings when you get home, right?
I think it's a place that's important to them, whether that's some place where they've passed on or it's their childhood home they grew up in or, you know, we've even heard places being haunted, you know, like amusement parks where somebody enjoyed their childhood at an amusement park and that's where they've been seen since they passed on.
I believe, in fact, in this historical location here in town, there has been a ghost of a soldier that has been seen at what used to be a Union Pacific Railroad station and in a couple of the hotels that are just across the way, across the street from the train station.
The closest I can think of is, oh, this was a few years back.
We were doing an investigation in Salt Lake City, and one of the investigators had said the word, I can't remember what it was, water or something like that.
But just prior to her saying that, there was a voice that said water that almost sounded identical to her.
And it was almost like somehow the recorder picked up her thought Of saying water, and then she says it.
The reason I say that is because it's obvious to me, and I think many others in the audience, that the human brain, the living human brain, is capable of many extraordinary, even paranormal things.
We have had ghosts say something that is shortly, immediately repeated by a living person that's there at the investigation, which makes me wonder if they can put thoughts into a living person's head.
You know, and especially now, I guess we didn't notice it so much years ago, but now with, you know, the big boom in ghost hunting and ghost investigating and that, I mean, every city's local cemetery has ghost hunters in it at some point, you know, especially throughout October.
So, you know, police are aware of that.
And some of them, the investigators, quote unquote, are vandalizing things and, you know, doing things they shouldn't be that really have nothing to do with what we do.
So, I mean, always, always get permission because the police just aren't, you know, your ghost investigating.
And this goes into what you were saying before about EVP is extremely subjective.
And it makes me, you know, had I said, would I think of saying before we played it, would you have heard it because you're listening for it now rather than just saying, well, there's a voice in here.
Yeah, and it's, as we mentioned, it's something that really bothers us because, you know, when you hear ghosts and you hear EBT, you don't expect, you know, to hear a child, especially the young children that we actually record.
You know, I've kind of wondered if the children's voices we record are all actually children, or are they people that are, you know, they're just choosing to come through with a child?
Okay, and again, that's the reason you go to such locations.
All right, we're going to take a break here, and when we come back, we're going to visit a very old, possibly haunted theater in Wolshire, California.
I'm Art Bell.
Here I am, down near the equator, folks.
I've got a couple of questions that have come in by FastBlast that I think are worth asking.
Sherry in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania asks, what if the voices on EVPs are not the afterlife, in quotes, but an alternate dimension?
Maybe when you think or say things in a very heightened emotional state, the energy is so strong it crosses over or exits indefinitely in a realm of emotional energy.
you All right, that's not as clear as you would have it be.
It is obviously, however, a child's voice, ostensibly saying, I'm seeing a whole bunch down here, and I sort of hear part of that, and part of it is not too clear to me.
And, you know, that was another one of the ones I really had to listen to quite a few times before I came up with, you know, that's what I thought it was saying.
And again, Barbara said she thinks it's saying something completely different.
Well, I wouldn't say completely different, but she doesn't hear one or two of the words that I hear.
All right, we can't have a discussion about this because that would give it all away.
So instead, we're going to just play it again.
But it's that last part, the EVP voice, and we want you to decide what is being said and fast blast that to me.
So number eight, one more time.
All right, I'd love to have a discussion about that, and we will later.
But for now, if the audience would just fast blast what was said, we'll see how you do.
That's all I can say.
To me, it was quite clear, but I, you know, to be honest with you, I'm sitting here reading a script of what's going to be said, so I already knew, so I don't count.
The reason I want to talk about it a little bit is because everybody could clearly hear you rustling around, getting ready to go, the equipment moving or whatever was moving.
You were obviously getting ready to go.
You said, okay, let's go.
And the voice clearly said, come back.
Now, this sort of turns a little corner for us.
This is one of those immediate response things, as though they can see you or they can hear you clearly.
They know what's going on.
They know you're leaving.
And the voice says, come back.
So sometimes the EVPs seem unconnected to whatever's going on.
In others, like this one, it's extremely contemporary.
I mean, and that to me is easily the most fascinating part about this, is when we get these contextual, intelligent responses that obviously are completely aware of what we're doing, even though we aren't, you know, of them being there, they're commenting on what we're doing.
And I mean, that to me is just so amazing.
And it makes me even more think, you know, these are spirits, these are, you know, entities that used to have a body, lived, died, and for whatever reason, they're still here.
When you're in a location like the theater, for example, how careful are you to make absolutely sure that nobody else is present, that there are not children hiding in the rafters somewhere?
Not that I think that that would work because you'd hear it, you'd know that that was what you were recording.
You'd audibly hear it.
But you are careful about that sort of thing, right?
Yeah, I mean, most of the time, like when we go into a building, the owner or person that owns the location will open the door, let us in, and lock the door to make sure that we're safe inside.
We know who's there, and it's normally only, you know, the five of us, and then maybe the person that owns it.
We never allow children with us.
Anybody under 18, even if the person that owns the location we're going to has a child that, you know, maybe is 14, we say, well, we can't do it unless we know that they're not going to be there.
So in this case, in this theater, it was only, I believe, six of us, and it was probably 12, 1 o'clock in the morning when this was recorded.
So, I mean, the theater was completely deserted, empty.
There's, you know, no chance that this was anybody else, you know, saying something that we just didn't know was there.
I recall many of them used to have this sort of, how would you describe it, a kind of a phased sound to the audio.
I haven't heard that as much recently, but I recall hearing it.
It could have been an artifact of tape or I don't know what, but a kind of an eerie phased sound to it.
All right, we're going to take a break here.
When we come back, we're headed to definitely headed to a cemetery, and I'm afraid we're going to begin with what seems to be nobody's going to like this one, a baby.
From the Philippine Islands, the nation of the Philippines, Manila, I'm Arbel.
Here I am indeed.
Hi, everybody.
It's a beautiful sun, shiny day where I am, and I know night where you are.
That's a flip side of the world for you.
Listen, if any of you are able to, you know, I've tried for years.
We've been doing this better than a decade, and I've tried for years to shoot holes in this, and I can't.
I really honestly can't.
Unless you believe that these two are faking it.
Remember, these are not the only two doing this.
This is being done all over the world.
EVP has been actually the subject of several motion pictures.
It's been going on since, I think, Alexander Graham Bell.
It's not a single phenomenon being demonstrated by just these two.
This is a worldwide thing going on.
So if you can shoot holes in this, be my guest.
When we get to Open Lines, call up and shoot holes if you can.
I can't.
And to me, that means we're hearing the real thing here.
I don't know what else to say.
It's a real thing, and it's a very important question.
Because if it is a real thing, it says something about the spirit after death, that there is something after death.
And I know a lot of you are going to sit out there and say, ah, well, of course there is.
Don't you have faith?
And that's fine.
We're going to a cemetery now for just, I think, a single EVP.
Yeah, what had happened is I just decided I was going to put my recorder down on a headstone, leave it for about 45 minutes recording, and then come back, pick it up later.
Either way, I guess, laughing or crying, it was creepy, folks.
Now we're going to move on to, if this doesn't give you the, if you can listen to this program and listen to all we're talking about and not get the creeps from this, then my congratulations go out to you.
We have had that happen on a few occasions where we believe it's something that followed us home.
Whenever I leave a location, I always ask them to stay where they are, that they're not welcome to come home with us.
But I think the ones that have come home with us, the few times that it's happened, I think that they were probably kind of transient in nature when they were alive.
Well, it's actually, it's interesting that you ask that because after we did this artists and heirlooms investigation at the beginning of October, our three-year-old son has suddenly started being afraid of our closet.
I'm just, he's never been like that.
And now, I mean, it literally was the night after we did the investigation.
He is terrified of, you know, this big walk-in closet that we have.
He says there's a man in there, you know, and kind of three-year-old speak.
And the interesting thing about the closet is that is where we keep all our ghost investigating equipment.
So I just, I don't know if it has something to do with that or it's just coincidence or what it is, but it's a little bit disturbing.
If something serious occurred, would it be enough, I mean, after all, you do, as you just mentioned, you've got a three-year-old, as do I. So if something serious happened, would that cause you to quit?
To give you an example, my wife's sister passed away in her sleep suddenly about three years ago.
You know, she was only 24.
My wife had an extremely hard time doing anything with this for about a year afterwards.
It was just, she didn't even really want to talk about it.
Because, you know, it's one thing when we're out doing our investigations and interviewing people and, you know, we're so off to the side of it.
It doesn't affect us personally.
But to have something like that happen within the family and then realize, you know, these people that we're recording, these are real people, just like, you know, my wife's sister was.
You know, it was even hard for me for a little bit.
You're going to have an opportunity now to fast blast me during the break on both number 12 and number 13, both possibly recorded voices in a different language.
I'm not sure.
My brain tries to put English words into what I'm hearing.
And in the first one, it did successfully a couple or two or three words in the middle.
I'm not sure.
But I want to know what you all think.
So if you would take the time to fast blast what you heard, we'll review all that when we come back.
So again, all of this is doing as it normally does when we do these kinds of shows, these shows on EVV.
It freaks me out a little bit.
It honestly scares me a little bit.
And if it scares you a little bit, I understand.
What could it be?
If it's not the sound of human voices that once were alive, then what is it?
Oh, yeah, we have, and we've recorded what sounded like, well, we had an experience outside of a mausoleum where we could hear dogs bark, like a dog barking, but we, and we should have recorded that.
It should have picked up because we were talking about it.
You could hear us talking about it on the recorder, but we could not hear the animal at the time when it was recorded.
You know, I mean, it wasn't recorded on the recorder.
Well, it's a location in Utah where the Mormon pilgrims came across the Rocky Mountains and into the Salt Lake Valley, their leader, Brigham Young, said this is the place.
Well, this park is they've brought in a lot of old historical homes into this park and different buildings from the pioneer days and have made it a park.
And they've experienced a lot of ghost activity in some of the buildings.
And we were there on an investigation.
And Brennan was in one of the houses.
And he was by himself.
And you're going to hear him say, I'm going to walk down and try to find Brian, who was the head of this park.
Yeah, well, number 15, this was again recorded in the same building as the previous voice.
And whatever was in this place just didn't seem to like me.
It just seemed to want to mess with me or make me upset.
And in this clip, you're going to see why.
You know, I was in the house by myself.
I had our two-way radio, so I could contact everybody else, you know, who were spread out all over the park.
The park is huge.
I mean, it's comprised of, I think, 40-something buildings, I believe, at least.
So, I mean, we were all spread out in different buildings, and the only way to keep in contact was with these radios.
Well, my radio started to malfunction.
I was talking to everybody perfectly fine, and then all of a sudden it just stopped.
I tried radioing them, and I didn't hear anything.
And this clip, you're going to hear me doing that.
And it's almost like something keeps coming in and trying to, I don't know, just mess with me, I guess is the best way to describe it.
I talked to the rest of the investigators, and they claim they never heard me when I was trying to radio them, even though whatever's messing with the radio, it sounds like it had heard me.
Anyway, all this happens, the radio goes off, and at the very end, when you hear me just get so frustrated with not being able to contact them, you're going to hear it's an EVP of a woman that she says that was funny.
I want to give the audience an opportunity in this next hour to either comment on what they heard or perhaps even better, try and shoot holes in everything you've heard.
Try and shoot holes in it.
Come on ahead.
If you think it's, I don't know, fake or radios or cell phones or whatever you think it might be other than voices from the other side, then let's rock and roll.
You've got the phone numbers.
If not, we'll give them when we get back from Manila in the Philippines.
Well, clearly what we've heard demands an explanation because I sure as heck can't find one.
So, all right, we're going to pause.
The lines are all full for you two, and we'll see what the audience has to say in a moment.
One quick note before we get going on the phones here, and that is Ghost to Ghost coming up on Halloween Eve, and it'll be just us, open lines, and just ghost stories.
Only one ghost story per customer.
Only the scariest need apply.
Give us a short version when you get the screener on that night, and there will be a screener, so that we can separate the spirits from each other, as it were.
And if you have a short ghost story and you'd like to get it over here to the other side of the world and perhaps hear it read on the air, then please email it to me.
The email address is artbell at mindspring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.
And as long as we're on the subject of contact, there is a way to contact GIS.
It was supposed to be she knows you're alone, or that's what they thought it was.
unidentified
To me, it sounded like, I'm never alone.
Okay.
It came over really clear.
I mean, that's what it seemed like they said.
All right.
I wanted to know when they get a ghost that likes them, like the poor guy that said don't leave, would they ever go back and try to have a conversation with him?
I know it would take like a week to do, but if they would ask him, like, say his name, leave the recorder and then come back and see if he said anything.
And if it does, like, try to do that over a period of a week to find out who he is, if there's heaven, why is he here?
I mean, there's been plenty of times where we've recorded the same voice a couple of times and we go back and ask for that person to, you know, contact us again.
And we will leave a recorder just going, asking specifically for that person to contact us.
Rarely does it happen.
In fact, one of the things we've noticed is when we go to places and we record A certain voice, the next time we come back, it's almost like they leave because they know that we've recorded them, that they now passed on, and they suddenly realized, oh, you know what, I'm a ghost.
I don't need to be here anymore.
So rarely do we record the same voice over and over again.
But when we do, we certainly do go back and try and keep in contact with that entity.
I guess that's fairly typical of the kind of responses you get.
We're going to find out as we continue to sample the audience reaction.
And that is what I want.
Some of the overall reaction to this.
In other words, what do you believe?
What do you believe of what you're hearing?
Randy in Pasadena, California.
Good morning.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Hi, Manila.
I wanted to comment on the EBT where the gentleman said, This is my room.
I wanted to say that right before he said that, it sounds like he's crying.
And I wanted to say that it sounds like he's full of joy.
It sounded more like it was a joyful experience.
And then the little boy that spoke after that was him.
It was the same person speaking, but it was speaking when...
He may have been a little boy when he lived there.
But it was being spoken as his childhood.
Do you mean the little boy that says, I didn't eat today?
Yeah.
That was...
He was reminiscing when he was...
He was speaking as to reminisce.
He was reminiscing when he was living there as a boy.
And that's why it said, I didn't eat today.
So it was him sharing the room, saying, this is where I used to live at.
And then he remembered and reminisced when he was a child.
He didn't have any food or he didn't eat that day.
And what was heard was his childhood speaking.
It was his...
When he was a boy.
When he was a boy.
It was reminiscing speaking out loud, if that makes any sense.
Also, the spot in Utah, it was really funny because it sounds like to me that your camcord and your microphone, the bodies, like, playing games with you, saying, get out.
You know, like those haunted movies.
It sounds like it was playing with you, like a little kid playing.
In other words, never, or almost never, have these two actually heard out loud with their ears what's being imprinted somehow on these recording Devices.
And it's an extremely good point that you're bringing up, and it's been one of the biggest questions, you know, since EVP research has started.
I mean, it's been well over 50 years now.
I mean, how do these voices appear on tape and recordings when nothing's heard at the time?
If it's a ghost, it obviously doesn't have, like you said, vocal cords or any physical way of making sound.
And we have theories all over the place from they're manipulating somehow sound in the atmosphere, ambient sound that's already there, and they're using that to basically make their voice.
They're manipulating electromagnetic fields, somehow they're using that to create their voice.
I mean, as far as I know, there's just no way right now to tell.
The only thing we can say is, and we say this every time, if you're skeptical about it but interested in it, it doesn't hurt to do your own recording somewhere.
I mean, everybody has something that can record sound.
And yes, it may look a little bit crazy for a minute, but it doesn't hurt to just try it for yourself.
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Yeah, I've been lucky enough once to catch an EVP myself, and it was on my cell phone.
It was just the most random thing.
I was doing a skit recording to send out to my friends of just some comedy that I was putting out, and it managed to pick up an EVP while I was there.
And when I listened to it, because they told me there was a voice in the background, I kind of wondered who it was.
So I listened to the recording, and there was something there other than myself.
I would be suspicious of anything on a cell phone.
You mentioned a cell phone.
You know, lines get crossed all the time.
In the case of what you all are doing, I remember back in the tape days when you were doing it with tape, you would always make sure that you had a brand new tape.
Nothing had ever been recorded on it.
Here in the digital age, what kind of precaution do you take to ensure that there's nothing on the medium that you're using?
In my case, I'm using a notebook computer that is specifically just used to record audio.
And with that, I'm patching in a mixing board and then the condenser mic into that.
You know, everything is separate files.
I break down when we're on an investigation into half-hour increments.
You know, we do have some protocols for doing that, but it's certainly not like tape where you had to worry about bleed-through from the other side or anything like that.
And if you think we're smoking crack or whatever, then I suggest you get a recording device and go out and give it a shot yourself.
Now, when they do that, when they do go out, let me ask you, do you think that any number of hours they should spend, you want them to go to a quiet place, perhaps even a cemetery, whatever?
And that goes back to what I was saying earlier, that these clips that we're playing on the show tonight, I mean, they're almost kind of spoiling you in a way.
You're listening for clips that are that loud.
That's not the case.
I mean, most of the time they are very whispery and quiet and in the background.
And, you know, they're normally not this loud at all.
You know, just we found that the majority of times when we get EVP, it's when we are talking among each other or with the homeowner or very rarely do we get a voice when there is nobody talking.
Yeah, I listened to both of your guests before, and I saw you did a couple years ago, and went out and tried it, and I went down in the basement, asked a few questions, nothing, nothing, nothing.
Then tried it, wasn't asking no questions, and started getting all these voices.
And they actually were responding to me.
I had a couple respond to me.
I had one that gave me a date, and then a couple, and then like one or two random ones.
Over the years, we've invited people to do this themselves, and I can't tell you the number of emails I've had from people saying, oh, my God, and then sending me the EVP they recorded in email.
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Yeah, and I actually, you know, I did it and played it for my mom.
She said, oh, that's weird, whatever.
She went down in the basement.
We tried it.
As I'm explaining it to her, we hear something in the background.
You know, and I think it's weird.
People go to cemeteries, abandoned buildings, but I think you get better results in places with more electricity stuff going on rather than, you know, dead areas.
I think that, you know, you have to ask yourself what else can it be?
And the earlier caller mentioned something about, well, there's no vocal cords or anything like that.
But people without vocal cords still are able to communicate through another medium.
And it's all a matter of moving air.
And the fact that you have the electric microphones there indicates to me that it has something to do with some way they're manipulating the air in order to get their voices heard.
Before I even tell you my little story or whatever, I just wanted to comment on what you said about your cats.
And like, I had a cat named Dusty, and I had a lot of other cats, too.
I think there's other levels of intelligence in cats, just like in anything else.
And like this cat I had named Dusty, I mean, his eyes, he would look at me, and I know he was a, you know, he was very intelligent, and he knew everything I thought, and he would even say mommy and everything.
And just like, so I do believe everything you said.
And he died after 12 years old, and he had cancer, and we'll love him forever.
But the other thing that I wanted to say was, is the spirits, maybe they might talk and have these EVPs, but the biggest experience I ever had in my life was that back in 1971, my sister was killed in a car accident.
I was 21 and she was 17.
And like we shared this room together and everything, and we had like, you know, stereo and everything.
And her big thing was the stereo and the records back in 1971.
And it was about a week after she had passed away in this fatal car accident and everything.
And I was sitting in my room just like crying and everything about it and everything.
And nobody, she had, the night that she had went out and was playing some records on the stereo and everything.
And nobody had ever touched the stereo or the record or anything since she passed away.
It was just too painful.
And nobody ever touched that.
And so all of a sudden this voice came in my head, like, play it, play it.
And I looked over to the stereo where me and my sister had twin beds and everything.
And there was the record where she had played when she was getting ready to go out that night and everything.
And the hand, the whole record was like full of dust where nobody had ever touched it and everything.
And the hand was sitting on like the second song.
And I thought, oh, my God.
And there's this big voice that said, play it, play it, and everything.
So I said, okay, I'll okay.
You know, I was like unresistible.
And I played it.
And the song was Don't Let It Bring You Down by Neil Young, which is the story of, which recites a car accident that happens at like the wee hours of the morning and everything.
And that's how my sister died was a fatal car accident in the wee hours of the morning.
I'm calling about your question about why is it that it only gets recorded if there's a mic and also in regards to the person who said that he doesn't understand how anybody can talk without muscle and so forth.
The part about the mic is it could be as simple as common sense that the ghosts are actually waiting for a mic to be plugged in, thinking, well, nobody's going to be able to hear or record us without a mic, and therefore they actually wait for it as well.
About the needing lips, tongue, muscle, we only use all that for the actual phonetics, the actual sound, but we have the vibration and everything and the vocal cords.
And if you look at cancer patients who have had surgery on the trachea and they have that box that takes vibrations and you can hear what they're saying, I mean, if you take all of that, then they don't actually need muscle tone because after all the time that they've been dead, they've had time to practice.
They've had time to figure out how they could use their energy to make actual phonetic sounds with vibration they already have.
You know, the individual who's talking about needing all the physical aspects to actually speak, does that mean that he's completely pushing out theories or ideas like telepathy, any other way of communicating via, you know, where you can actually hear the person's voice?
I mean, it's not recorded because you're the only one hearing it, but still telepathy and everything else, if you're actually hearing the sound and the words, again, this is without a physical being.
So I assume that means none of these theories jive with him.
And that's really, I guess, the only way I could look at it is it's either some kind of a telepathy thing on the ghost part.
You know, as we mentioned before, they're somehow manipulating the mic.
What she did say that really made sense was not hearing them when the mic isn't plugged in and they're not speaking because they think they need a mic to speak.
That really makes sense to me.
And it also goes to the fact that, you know, these are people that have lived and died because in life they wouldn't have known that you had to have a mic plugged in to speak.
So in death, they're going to think the same thing.
Yes, but it's still, regardless of what Spiricom was, whether it was legit or not, it's a good idea.
It seems to me that if spirits can manifest a voice on a recorder, then they could indeed use a voice box or something like it to have that sound come out right now, live and in living color.
And is there any chance that you two might start looking into that sort of thing at some point?