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Dec. 24, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - David B. Sereda - UFOs and ETs

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, Manila, I bid you all...
	Merry Christmas.
	It is indeed Christmas here, ladies and gentlemen.
	As a matter of fact, it's a little after 2 o'clock in the afternoon on Christmas Day.
	And I know for the great majority of you, it is yet Christmas Eve.
	So, Merry Christmas from the other side of the world, very near the equator.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is the largest program of its sort in the entire world.
	Called Coast to Coast AM, literally coast to coast and shoreline to shoreline all around the world.
	Well, Pope Benedict celebrated Christmas Midnight Mass in the splendor of St.
	Peter's Basilica early Monday with an appeal for abused children around the world, including child soldiers, beggars, And others deprived of sustenance and love.
	My God, there are many of those right here in this country.
	The child of Bethlehem directs our gaze toward all children who suffer and are abused in the world.
	The born and, of course, the unborn.
	According to Benedict, referring naturally to the church's stand against abortion.
	And you just cannot have a Christmas without this, can you?
	One dead in shooting at crowded Florida mall.
	A gunman fatally shot a man in a fight at a crowded mall on Sunday, then sent hundreds of Christmas shoppers running for cover as he fired at police chasing him.
	SWAT team members, police chasing him, then arresting him after he had barricaded himself in a department store at the Boynton Beach Mall, north of Miami.
	Can't have a Christmas without that, can you?
	Baghdad, that's not good news either.
	Some 12,000 Iraqi policemen have been killed.
	12,000 Iraqi policemen since the ouster of Saddam Hussein.
	My God, 12,000 police.
	According to the country's interior minister, Clashes, suicide bombers, weekend explosions, killed more than a dozen Iraqi officers and six American soldiers at a news conference in Baghdad's heavily fortified green zone.
	The Interior Minister said, despite the thousands of police deaths, surprisingly I would add, when we call for new recruits they come by the hundreds and by the thousands.
	Must be good pay.
	Benefits or something.
	The FBI failed to fully investigate information suggesting other suspects may have helped Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, allowing questions to linger more than a decade after the deadly attack.
	That's a congressional inquiry that says that.
	No surprise there.
	Questions will linger decades, even centuries, I suspect, after 9-11.
	Ethiopia declares war on Somali militias.
	Wow!
	Ethiopia sent fighter jets into Somalia and bombed several towns Sunday in a dramatic attack on Somalia's powerful Islamic movement and Ethiopia's Prime Minister said his country had been forced to enter a war.
	It was the first time Ethiopia acknowledged its troops were in fact fighting in support of Somalia's UN-backed interim government, even though witnesses had been reporting their presence for weeks in an escalating battle that threatens to engulf the Horn of Africa.
	I wonder...
	Somehow I have a feeling we're behind that someplace or another.
	Hundreds of flights left Denver's beleaguered airport finally on Christmas Eve with many passengers who had been stranded when a two-day blizzard shut the whole thing down.
	The airport's two biggest airlines, United and Frontier, said they flew full schedules of a combined 1,200 flights on Sunday.
	They had a similar schedule Saturday as travelers around the country whose itineraries were totally wrecked by the storm raced to get home.
	That Italian, the one who met with the ex-KGB agent the day the Russian fell fatally ill from a radiation poisoning event, was apparently arrested on Sunday.
	The man's father said the accusations against this man in international arms trafficking and slander type accusations were not believed to be directly related to the investigation of the death of the Russian.
	Look at this!
	Arnold Schwarzenegger, California governor, was recuperating Sunday in Sun Valley, Idaho, just one day after he broke his leg while skiing there.
	59 years of age now.
	He was, quote, continuing to do well today, looking forward to spending time with his family.
	James Brown is in the hospital with pneumonia.
	Brown is 73 years old now.
	And though I'm away from it, I'm following it.
	The New England Patriots can begin thinking about, would it really happen a fourth time?
	A fourth Super Bowl in six years.
	After clinching the AFC East on Sunday, Seattle also got into the playoffs, securing the NFC West.
	All right, well, we've been reporting for some time on global warming and on the fact that sea levels would rise, correct?
	Rising seas caused by global warming have now, for the first time, washed an inhabited island right off the face of the Earth.
	The obliteration of Lokhama Island in India's part of the Sun Barans, where the Ganges empty into the Bay of Bengal marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has now become true.
	As the seas continue to swell They're going to swallow entire island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands.
	It would be inundated, thank you.
	Vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt and submerged parts of scores of coastal cities eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent.
	This is where this comes from, by the way, The Independent on Sunday.
	The first uninhabited islands in the Pacific Atoll.
	Vanished beneath the waves.
	The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution.
	But the land still juts just above the sea.
	The disappearance of Lukara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.
	So, an island where 10,000 people lived is now gone.
	It has been officially recorded in a six-year study by researchers at Calcutta's University, so remote as the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence and that of an uninhabited neighboring island when they saw they had simply vanished from satellite pictures.
	You know, they were looking at the recent satellite pictures and they went, hey, where did that go?
	Two-thirds of nearby populated island has also been permanently inundated.
	Dr. Sugata Hazara, Director of the University's School of Oceanographic Studies says, quote, it's only a matter of some years before it's swallowed up as well.
	Dr. Hazara says there are now a dozen vanishing islands in India's part of the delta, the areas 400 tigers are also in grave danger there.
	So even inhabited islands have now begun to disappear, ladies and gentlemen.
	That's a fairly serious matter.
	We'll continue with all of this cheery Christmas news in a moment.
	Santa Claus has already visited this part of the world.
	He has already satisfied the children on this side of the world, but Norad is currently tracking and hopefully will not get a trigger finger with regard to Santa.
	I mean, after 9-11, they're watching everything very carefully, and he is like an unidentified object, but they apparently have him in their sights.
	When we last heard, he was seen somewhere over the St.
	Louis Missouri area, and we'll try and keep you informed as the evening progresses, but be assured, trigger finger or not, I'm sure Norad will leave him alone and he will deliver as he should to each and every child in the world.
	The act of mutilating cattle That's quite a segue, right?
	The act of mutilating cattle and other animals has always been explained as an act of predators and satanic cultists.
	However, listen carefully, there has not ever been one person that has been convicted of mutilating a cow.
	Not one in all the world, in all the time.
	In many cases, farmers remain baffled.
	In other cases, it is easy to deal the alien card when explaining why these animals are left to die horrible deaths.
	What if the aliens and some paramilitary group were in on the mutilations?
	Why would they work together?
	Well, here's one theory, based on some facts.
	When one writes about cattle mutilations, it is always difficult to piece together any solid explanation for such a horrible act.
	There have been many theories as to why cattle mutilations, or mutes, if you will, occur at all.
	The ideas range from predators to satanic cults, and there is, of course, the extraterrestrial theory that creeps into conversation while the explanation is considered bizarre.
	Well, so are the facts that surround these occurrences.
	It is estimated, listen carefully please, that the mutilation rate of cattle has increased to about 12,000 bovine a year.
	My God!
	12,000 bovine a year and not one person in all the history of watching this has ever been arrested.
	How could that possibly be?
	Each of these cows have been cut with surgical Precision.
	There are no teeth marks on the animal.
	No predatory tracks.
	The animal parts are usually taken.
	The same in every case.
	The parts are not taken.
	They're not favorites with predators, by the way.
	The left ear is usually taken.
	The absence of blood in the carcass would mean that Whatever it is it attacks has some way to get all the blood out of the animal in question.
	Predatory animals can uniformly select body parts, mainly the ones used in reproduction and excretion, and then remove all the blood from the carcass, leaving the remaining good meat to rot.
	What we're seeing is a very meticulous animal doing the killings.
	Remember, surgical precision.
	Investigators like our own Linda Moulton Howe have determined that perhaps extraterrestrials are responsible for such attacks.
	However, it's not just Howe who's considered this.
	It's the farmers themselves who have claimed that they've seen UFOs in the area prior to and after mutilations have taken place.
	Why would farmers ever make such an outrageous claim?
	So, what do you think?
	Now sit there and give it a little bit of thought.
	12,000 cows.
	12,000 cows every year!
	At least that's what we're up to right now.
	Not one human, not one predator has ever been caught.
	All of this done with surgical precision.
	Can you account for that?
	By the way, we're going to go to open lines for the balance of this hour.
	David Sarita is going to be with us next hour, so if you know the numbers, the portholes to approach us with, you might go ahead and dial and we'll get to you in just a moment.
	UFO hacker Gary McKinnon's last chance of avoiding extradition to the U.S.
	for a trial that, well, could lead to 70 years in prison or perhaps even an indefinite term down at Guantanamo takes place on February 13th.
	When his case will be decided by London's Court of Appeals, since his crime took place on UK soil, he wants to be tried there in the UK and is appealing his extradition to the US.
	McKinnon's hacking of NASA computers was accomplished by simply finding systems that had blank passwords and then opening them.
	He did no damage.
	And reported that some NASA files made reference to an apparently extensive secret U.S.
	manned presence in space.
	Wouldn't you love to get your hands on those?
	While he's apt to get a fair trial in the UK, there is every likelihood that in the US he'll be treated as a terrorist.
	Not good.
	And would, of course, disappear right into the night and the fog of American justice if he's tried.
	Conviction will be virtually automatic.
	Sentencing, brutal.
	Ken Lewis writes in the New Zealand News that Site M-Net, the McKinnon who broke into U.S.
	computers and found evidence of aliens and UFO technology, faces up to 70 years in a U.S.
	prison.
	That's a lot of time, folks.
	A lot of time to go to prison.
	And as I have said, as we have followed this case, that came from unknowncountry.com.
	Wouldn't you love to lay your hands on those documents?
	I mean, documents that purport to show a gigantic, secret, unknown U.S.
	presence in space, maybe even on the moon.
	Who knows?
	Ah, secrets.
	All right, let's go to the phones.
	It is Christmas, and or where you are perhaps Christmas Eve.
	So, here we go.
	West of the Rockies, it's Ed in San Francisco.
	Hi, Ed.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	And blessings to you, Art, and to your wife, and to your brand new baby girl that's on the horizon.
	Well, listen, that's not a sure thing yet.
	It could be a boy, too.
	But everybody seems to think it's going to be a girl.
	Yeah, I think it's going to be a very beautiful girl.
	It's interesting, before I give you this information, in regards to the documents that you were talking about, in regards to the United States and mankind being in space and on the moon, in 1978, I had a vivid vision that the United States had a major base on the moon.
	I could see the Quonset huts, I could see the vehicles that they were using to build, and I saw these very, very young Ph.D.
	college students that were being brought to the moon on that ship that they used to call Aurora.
	And I'm telling you that they have been there for a long period of time, but the reason why I called you tonight, I have a statement of hope in all this darkness that is on the planet on this Christmas Eve.
	This morning, Art, I had a major vision, and in it, it was a spiritual vision, and in it, the vision asked that humanity as a whole, for the next 72 hours from Christmas Day, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, pray for divine peace and divine love and divine salvation on the planet.
	And I saw millions of people on their knees, in the streets, all over the planet, in prayer, and they were looking up towards the sky, and there were beautiful apparitions that were created for the healing of mankind, and I think something wonderful is about to occur.
	And I wanted to tell you and your listeners tonight first.
	Well, buddy, I sure hope you're right.
	Art, I use Ed because it's part of my last name, but this is Suleiman, the World Event Psychic, and blessings to you and your family, and may you always be safe, and let all your listeners pray for this piece in the next 72 hours because we surely need it.
	God bless you, Art.
	Take care, my friend.
	Well, maybe it will come true.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	There could be.
	That's really kind of what we're going to be talking about when we get our guest here, a kind of a singularity that would occur, a sort of a moment of epiphany when we realize that what we are doing and what we're doing to our planet may be the wrong direction.
	And who knows?
	Roger in Nebraska, maybe he knows.
	Hi Roger!
	Hello, Art.
	Good to talk to you.
	Truck driver out here on Interstate 80 listening to you every night.
	All right.
	Hey, Merry Christmas.
	How's the road out there?
	I hear the northern part of the U.S.
	is pretty well socked in and cold and snowy.
	Well, anything west of Ogallala, Nebraska, or out there at North Platte, Uh, pretty much got snowed in.
	I'm over here by about Lincoln, Nebraska.
	All they got here was a little bit of rain and freezing rain, but we're doing okay here.
	Roads are dry.
	Hey, listen, the reason why I called is because I wanted to know if you'd heard the story that was going around.
	Me and a buddy of mine, he's a truck driver also, we were having coffee one night in a truck stop, and I wanted to know if you heard the story about Well, let me say this.
	Have you ever heard of, I'm sure you have, but have you ever heard of designer babies?
	Oh, yes, of course.
	Okay, where, you know, you change the DNA and you make them whatever you want or, you know what I mean, blue eyes, blonde hair, whatever.
	We're not quite there yet, but we're getting there.
	There are some couples in our country, as a matter of fact, that were born with dwarfism disease and there were some couples that are, you know, they're born deaf.
	And they've always been deaf from birth, you know?
	Well, they're paying geneticists, or looking into paying geneticists, money to deliberately alter the baby's DNA so when the baby is born, it will be deaf.
	Or it will have dwarfism disease, the same as a parent.
	Oh my God.
	Have you heard, that is... No, I haven't heard a word about that.
	Yeah, I'm very, very well aware, of course, that designer babies are on the horizon.
	They're certainly not on my horizon, but they're on our horizon.
	And I suppose pretty soon you'll be able to go into an office and there'll be a little checklist for color of eyes, color of hair, how tall would you like your baby ultimately to be, and all other kinds of attributes.
	And you'll just sort of go down, you know, the way you go to a doctor's office and you go down your health checklist.
	You'll just go down and, well, honey, what do we want?
	Blue eyes?
	Okay.
	Blonde hair?
	Sure.
	Why not?
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell, and this, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Alright, everybody listen to me very closely.
	This is very, very important.
	As we do every year, next week, we're going to start taking predictions for the year 2007.
	At the same time, we will review those psychic predictions made by all of you.
	Not professional psychics.
	We'll have enough of those on the air at the beginning of the year.
	This is an annual event, and I don't take it lightly, and I don't want you to take it lightly.
	I want you to go into the psychic self.
	That you have.
	And really think about this.
	No picking up the phone and just saying, oh, you know, I want to get on the air.
	I want you to think very, very hard about a major event that you think will occur in the year 2007.
	So next week when we begin, no just grabbing the phone and making an off-the-cuff prediction just to get on the air.
	Think it over.
	I want you to think very carefully.
	Perhaps it will be derived from a dream that you have between now and then.
	Perhaps it will simply come to you in a conscious moment from your inner psychic self.
	However it comes, I definitely want it.
	And I want 2007 to be the most psychic, insightful year we've had to date.
	And there have been many, many years that we've been doing this.
	So, coming up next week, Prepare yourself.
	All right, as promised, back to the lines.
	Next half hour will be solid open lines, and then David Sirita is going to be here.
	And we will continue with the alien agenda.
	David's right, of course, in the middle of that.
	West of the Rockies, let's see, it would be David in Mesa, Arizona.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	First, I want to wish you and yours the very merriest of Christmases and a Happy New Year.
	And congratulations on your baby about to be.
	Thank you.
	Then I want to tell you I spent 30 years in the United States Air Force, two tours at Clark, and I listen to you regularly.
	And I think if you want to see something amazing, you need to go from Manila out to the area of Clark Air Base, which the bus takes you through the jungle at 500 feet off of the roadway is a native village.
	And Baggio and the South China Seas are wonderful, too.
	Been there, done that.
	Oh, it's just... I was also stationed at Clark, sir, when I was... No kidding!
	Oh, yeah.
	I was there for the first time from 1973 through 1975 and then from 1978 to 1981.
	Did you ever go out and take a look at, oh I recall for example, the Negrito Indians.
	Absolutely.
	They're able to take a poison dart, put it in a blowgun, and they'll point out a tree that you can barely see it so far away, and they can put that dart square in the middle of a tree.
	Absolutely.
	Do you know that the Negrito people took a mountain Japanese thing that we could not get up to
	and wiped him out overnight so that we could get to the top of the mountains
	and Queen Mary was still alive at a hundred and six and had privileges our
	hospital and I used to go pick her up and take her to the hospital well I hate to say
	it sir but a lot of Americans are not aware of the the dual role that US
	soldiers and Philippine soldiers played in the fights, multiple fights for the Philippine Islands.
	And as a result of those battles, Americans and Filipinos have always been very, very, very close.
	And because of that, The Philippine Islands has as English its second language, so most Filipinos speak quite a bit of English, contrary to what you might think and what a lot of Americans think.
	Everything here is written in English.
	Literally everything.
	It doesn't matter where you go.
	Road signs, stores, publications, it's all written in English.
	So Americans who come to the Philippines do not have a difficult time.
	It's the single nation here in Southeast Asia, or in Asia if you will, in which everything is virtually written in English.
	And English is Particularly a spoken language here in the Philippines.
	All right, let's go to the wildcard line.
	It's Mike in West Palm Beach, Florida.
	Hi, Mike.
	How you doing there?
	The topic I'd like to talk about is controlling hurricanes.
	I understand you had a lot of problems with these typhoons recently in the Philippines.
	I live in Florida, and as you know, this year we escaped it.
	There have been no problems with hurricanes.
	You escaped it, but they all came this way, my friend.
	They all came roaring across the Philippines.
	It could have been done deliberately, too.
	Let me explain.
	This year, there was no problems here in Florida or the Gulf Coast.
	These hurricanes that should have hit us, which the weather people were predicting, of course, were turned away or totally disintegrated.
	Let me tell you how I got interested in this.
	In the middle of July, there was a hurricane called Chris.
	It was heading for South Florida, 80 mile an hour winds.
	It was headed right for Miami.
	All of a sudden, it disappeared with the radar screen.
	The weather people started coming up with excuses.
	One excuse was the winds were blowing in the wrong direction.
	However, before and while the hurricane was active, they didn't mention about winds.
	I was thinking about what happened with this, and I did some research.
	The October 2004 edition of Scientific American, which is found in any American public library, has an article entitled, Controlling Hurricanes, By a doctor Hoffman, he's a master scientist.
	In this article, he gives three ways of controlling hurricanes.
	One of them was the use of a space satellite, beaming down microwave radiation from space.
	He actually has a diagram of this in Scientific American.
	This satellite is capable of disintegrating a hurricane.
	This is what I think happened to Hurricane Chris, that disappeared within a few hours and never seen again.
	Then we had another hurricane came along, Ernesto, in September.
	Now again, the experts were saying the Gulf Coast was going to be hit, Florida's going
	to be hit.
	What happened with Ernesto?
	Okay, it was heading for the Gulf Coast and the oil installations.
	All of a sudden it makes a turn north and it goes into Cuba.
	Stays in Cuba for about three days, demolishes the economy there, then heads for Florida.
	When it gets to Florida, it's nothing more than a minor thunderstorm.
	I was here, it barely rained with a hurricane sitting above us.
	Then it leaves Florida, goes into the Atlantic Ocean, picks up speed because of the warm
	waters of the Atlantic, goes up the East Coast and ravages most of the East Coast.
	And I'm thinking about who is responsible for controlling these things.
	And I came up with three different groups.
	One, the insurance companies, who are charging astronomical amounts of premiums for their insurance, ripping off the people here in Florida.
	They didn't have to pay out one penny in damages.
	Well, I don't know about ripping off.
	That might be a little unfair.
	I mean, the insurance companies... Listen, listen.
	The insurance companies took such... Hold on, sir.
	Hold on, please.
	The insurance companies took such big hits in the last few years that some of them went belly up.
	So, take it easy on them.
	Hello?
	In the tens of billions.
	You hear me?
	I hear you.
	I just asked you to just pause.
	Take a breath.
	The insurance companies, some of them went belly up.
	They took such a big hit.
	That they would have an interest in controlling the weather, I don't doubt for a second.
	Okay.
	Second one, second group, would be the oil companies.
	Why?
	They couldn't get another Petrina hit in the Gulf Coast with the oil installations.
	They had to protect the oil installations at any cost.
	Third group, which is my theory, I'm Jewish myself, the Israeli government might have been involved in this.
	In the middle of July, Israel was fighting for its life in Lebanon, as we know.
	Big war going on.
	It was costing billions of dollars a day.
	Where does Israel get its money from?
	From the Jewish communities here in Florida and New York.
	If a hurricane would hit South Florida, the Jewish community here would not give money to Israel.
	I'm convinced they had some involvement with this.
	Alright, well I'm going to hold it right there.
	That would be my last choice.
	Your first choice would be my first choice.
	Actually, the first one you presented, I would think the insurance companies would have a very, very deep interest in controlling the weather and diverting hurricanes, if they could do it.
	But I think you gave them a pretty bad rap.
	I mean, the insurance companies paid out dearly from the previous year.
	So dearly that a lot of them don't exist any longer.
	So, is somebody controlling the weather?
	Well, it's possible.
	It's possible.
	They sure didn't control what happened here, or did they?
	I don't know.
	Is weather control possible?
	I suspect it might be.
	Was it controlled this year?
	I have no way of knowing, nor does that gentleman really.
	I suppose it could be.
	I suppose it could be, but that would mean it's an awfully new technology, because the previous year we got clobbered in the U.S.
	We got absolutely clobbered, so it would have to be an awfully new technology.
	Let's go to Ithaca, New York, even though it sounded like we were just in New York, and Mike, you're on the air, Mike.
	Hi Art, how are you doing?
	Just fine.
	I'd like to shed some light for you on two things that I think might be very topical on Coast these days.
	One is the mutilations.
	They look very much like the kind of damage done to animals by an animal known as the thylacine, or Tasmanian wolf, or Tasmanian tiger, which Peter Putkommer talked with you about back in 2002.
	And there's a new book called Magnificent Survivors, because they're not extinct in Tasmania.
	There's still some there.
	There are also some in Aryan Jaya.
	And both recent as well as long ago observations, when they kill a mammal, they make very clean incisions And they eat just those parts, the nasal area and the groin, and they pretty much leave everything alone, and they make a very clean cut.
	Now, I'm not saying there are thylacines in America, but there were marsupials here in prehistoric times.
	Yeah, but we're talking about 12,000 mutilations a year.
	12,000!
	Chupacabra, this might be a marsupial, mightn't it?
	Why haven't they been seen?
	Where are the tracks?
	In After Dark, there's a photograph of two chupacabras, two very good ones, in a recent After Dark.
	Where are the tracks?
	In After Dark, I think September, around September or October.
	No, no, no, I'm talking about around these 11,000 mutilated corpses.
	This is something I'm throwing out.
	I'm not discounting the other theories, I'm just putting this in there.
	I want to go on to something else of even more interest, and this has to do with the autism And bonobos and the connection between the two.
	Yeah, that was one hell of a show yesterday, wasn't it?
	Yes, last night.
	I think he's almost correct, but not quite.
	He's got 99% correct.
	And here's what I think's going on.
	There's a website called Origins of Autism by a chap named Andrew Lehman.
	L-E-H-M-A-N, maybe two N's.
	And this is really his theory, not mine.
	But what he basically says, and I know this much to be very much true, that the basic primate society is matrifocal.
	That is, they're male-dominated, and things are inherited by males.
	The land and the territory and the possessions are inherited by males.
	So they're matrilineal and male-dominated, and that's called matrifocal.
	Now, the bonobo is different.
	It's matrilocal and female-dominated.
	The males go on the pecking order where the females send them, and when they form pair bonds to raise offspring that they produce The couple go in as egalitarian members of the couple, and the bonobo is actually genetically closer to the human than the regular chimp is.
	So, really, the bonobo and the chimp shouldn't be classified with the chimps on one branch and the humans on the other.
	The humans and the bonobos share a branch, and then that branch, before they separated from each other, separated from the chimpanzee.
	So, the humans went through a stage of being patrilocal, or patrifocal, I mean, like gorillas and baboons and most primates.
	And chimpanzees.
	And they went through a matrifocal stage, and then what happened is primitive humans were also matrifocal, like bonobos, but when the hunting of big game and mass agriculture on a large scale were done, people had to get control of large groups of people in a hurry, and also big architectural projects.
	So people reverted.
	You use this term devolution.
	I don't like it because I don't think evolution progresses things, it just changes them.
	But we went through a stage where we went back To the pacrifocal stage, but not all of us did.
	There's always been a subsection of the society who are more bonobo-like and chimp-like.
	They're what are called androgynes, or unisex people.
	These are people who have poorly developed secondary characteristics, so they're perfectly normal in their genitalia.
	The boys and the girls look a lot alike, unless they dress carefully to look differently, and every society has them.
	And these unisex people are essentially what autistic people are.
	And when they're functional and they do very well, then they have what's called Asperger's
	Syndrome and Newton and Einstein would be examples of these.
	In fact, most scientists, inventors, dancers, musicians, artists are people with Asperger's
	Syndrome.
	Alright, we're going to have to hold it right there.
	Maybe.
	That's as good a guess, I guess, as any.
	However, the numbers are more than frightening.
	I must admit, I was shocked by yesterday's program.
	More than shocked.
	Astounded.
	Saddened.
	amazed that this could be going on, that the numbers could be astronomically
	as apocalyptic as they seem to be, and that it has not been major,
	and I really mean major, news. That autism would have worked its way from, you know, one in 10,000
	to one in 166 births, and there has not been more news of it.
	And people will write and say, well, yes, this or that scientific journal has covered it.
	It is indeed a fact.
	But it should be in mainstream news.
	It should be New York Times front page news.
	Now it has something to do, apparently, with some aspect of modern society, technological modern society.
	We don't know what aspect.
	Any guess is as good as any other right now.
	We damn well better find out.
	First time caller line, it's Gene in Los Angeles.
	Hey Art, how you doing?
	I'm okay.
	Merry Christmas.
	Same to you.
	Hey, you know I was thinking, um, You're talking about that guy who wants to be tried in England over those files he downloaded from NASA?
	That's right.
	You know, I was having some strange dreams about, um, that we already had, like, some bases on Mars, and we're sending out a lot of, like, supplies and stuff, you know, like, constantly, but that's all I had to say on that, you know?
	You know, anything that says that the U.S.
	has a gigantic presence in space, that's secret, is a big story.
	And if that's really what he uncovered, then I guess, I think we have a right to know about it.
	It's probably, it's probably the whole world, really.
	It's probably, you know, it's probably like a worldwide thing.
	We just don't, they keep it hidden from us.
	So we, you know, they keep us, they keep us behind.
	We're not, you know.
	The people know that.
	We're just... What else are we going to do?
	I guess.
	Yeah, I've been listening to you for a long time.
	I've been listening to you since you had Roy Masters on.
	You remember that?
	Oh, of course.
	It was like 1986 or... Yeah, 86.
	About that time, yes.
	And you've changed a lot, man.
	You were like real different back then and now you... You seem like you waver, you know, between... I don't know.
	I still like you, though.
	I love you, man.
	You're alright.
	I waver between what?
	Finish it out.
	Left and right.
	Oh!
	I absolutely do, and that actually does not represent a change.
	It really doesn't.
	I've always been kind of an independent thinker, and so for any given program I do, I receive a zillion emails saying, oh, you're a conservative lapdog, or you're a leftist communist.
	And so I get both.
	I guess that's a good thing.
	I really am an independent thinker, so on any given subject, I could go one way or the other.
	I don't follow anybody's political line other than my own.
	We have very, very little time between now and the top of the hour.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Well, you would have been on the air.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Brian?
	Yes.
	I have some really bad news for you.
	Apparently a CIA predator drone has shot down Santa Claus and his reindeers.
	Oh, it has not.
	According to this story I'm reading... No, no, no, you're out of here.
	You don't tell kids that kind of thing.
	CIA has not shot down Santa Claus.
	What a terrible thing to call up and say on Christmas Eve.
	Absolutely an awful thing to say, and it's not true anyway.
	Because we know that NORAD has sighted Santa Claus somewhere in the Midwest.
	I think St.
	Louis area, something like that.
	So Santa Claus is doing just fine.
	CIA, leave Santa alone kids, don't worry about it.
	I'm Art Bell from Manila in the Philippines, where it's in the mid 80s, maybe high 80s.
	I'm Art Bell.
	It is indeed.
	Merry Christmas, everybody, from near the equator, from the other side of the world, for most of you.
	Merry Christmas.
	Coming up in a moment, David Sirita's first aspiration in life was to become An astronaut.
	In 1968, he and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses.
	After this experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast, you might imagine.
	Never for a moment living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947.
	His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy, and science led him on his career in related fields.
	He has studied world religion, science, physics, and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.
	In a moment, a Christmas return visit by David Sirita.
	David Sirita, welcome back to what is most times owns a Christmas edition of Coast to Coast AM.
	Well, Merry Christmas, everybody, and Art Bell, all the way over there in the Philippines.
	You've really had an amazing year, you know.
	I have, haven't I?
	David, is there any doubt in your mind whatsoever that whether or not we are being visited by extraterrestrials?
	There's no doubt in my mind, I think the challenge is to convince other people how much we can benefit from this contact that we're having, some on a very intrusive level and some on a very subtle, non-intrusive level.
	And when I say non-intrusive, I mean like, you know, through the experience of contact, the effect of transference of knowledge into the subconscious mind, and maybe even extraterrestrials are affecting our scientists.
	And our next generation of children to the point that we may have a massive quantum leap in technology that may propel us out of this disaster, this imminent disaster that faces us.
	Well clearly something is going on.
	I did what I consider to be an incredibly important program yesterday on autism.
	I don't know if you caught any of it.
	No I didn't because I'm up here in the Sierra Nevada.
	I kind of secluded at my mother's house for Christmas and we tried to check and we don't get the radio stations up here.
	Alright, well in a nutshell, David, autism has gone from, in 1996 I believe it was, 1
	in 10,000 births, to 4 years later, 1 in 5,000 births, to in 2006, 1 in 166 births.
	Oh my god, I know John F. Kennedy Jr., the lawyer, gave a big case for the relationship
	between mercury poisoning and autism, and I've heard him speak on different radio shows
	about that.
	There are many theories, but some basic change is occurring in human beings.
	Now, you are now filming something called From Here to Andromeda.
	What's that all about?
	Well, from here to Andromeda, it kind of starts where Al Gore leaves us off, you know, in his movie, The Inconvenient Truth.
	I mean, we're really looking at... In fact, I was just filming at the Santa Monica Conference for Alternative Energy Vehicles, and it was amazing who was on the speaker list.
	There was James Woolsey, former head of the CIA, supporting Al Gore's movie and saying we have to get off foreign oil.
	I mean, James Woolsey!
	Beside him, another lecture by Terry Tamminen, who is Governor Schwarzenegger's head of the Environmental Protection Agency, California, slamming the oil companies and saying they were buying up patents on breakthroughs in batteries and shelving them.
	Batteries that would improve the range on electric vehicles.
	Vehicles that you can recharge with your solar panels and drive for 300 miles.
	They were buying up those patents.
	bought up a chain of biodiesel gas stations and there he was, I mean he renounced his role as head of EPA,
	wrote a book, you know, it's called Lives Per Gallon and there he is slamming the oil companies.
	To see big names like that up there was really...
	I guess you didn't get an opportunity to hear the first hour of tonight's show either, did you?
	No, I didn't.
	I wanted to, but my brother was busy trying to... Okay, okay.
	Two important stories, David.
	One, a formerly populated island of about 10,000 people off the coast of India is no longer there.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Earthquakes?
	No.
	Rising sea levels, David.
	Oh, rising sea levels, yeah.
	Yeah, that's right.
	It's gone.
	It's just flat gone.
	Other islands are also gone.
	They happened to be looking at satellite photographs and they said, hey, where did those islands go?
	Gone, David, gone.
	Well, one of the most shocking things in the extra section of Al Gore's DVD was the measurements of earthquakes.
	Which are really ice quakes in Greenland and in Antarctica.
	Not Antarctica, sorry, the Greenland and Iceland.
	That these massive fissures in the gargantuan amounts of ice are starting to become more common as they drift and slam into each other, they're producing earthquakes.
	Well, Gore measures the increase in magnitude from several years ago, they were ones and twos, then they became threes, and now they're all the way up to five.
	And literally, I mean, if you start producing sixes and sevens, and God behold, you know, eights, the amount of ice that could cascade into the upper Atlantic would be, would be so, it would just be, I mean, the greatest disaster we've ever seen.
	Sea levels would rise, you know, within weeks, possibly days, when all that, those mountains of ice just come crashing into the ocean.
	So we're in this super fragile place.
	We're getting more and more visits by extraterrestrials, more and more UFO sightings, and we kind of wonder, I mean, there are people who have been talking about, in fact I just filmed this incredible UFO briefing scene with eight of the top UFOlogists in the room, and we were debating, you know, do extraterrestrials, do they have their eyes on our planet?
	Are they looking down at us thinking, you know, these guys are going to go extinct or near-extinct?
	And, you know, who's going to get this planet next?
	And the question is, Are there so many crash retrievals and flying saucers crashing because, not because they can't fly these things, but because they're fighting each other in a sort of Star Wars over who gets this incredible, beautiful jewel of a planet next?
	David, let me give you the second half of yesterday's guest's theory regarding autism.
	You know an awful lot about abductions and what's done during abductions.
	We all know that reproduction is a center point of abductions.
	We know that genetic research is part of abductions.
	My guest's theory is that these aliens, or whatever it is that we're being visited by, are coming from Earth's future.
	A future where autism has become, perhaps, the norm.
	I mean, if you look at a grey, a grey seems to have almost a hive mind.
	Many of them seem to be nothing more than worker bees, as it were.
	And it is his theory that in a future world they're desperately trying to change what has happened to their genetic structure.
	What we are beginning to note is happening to our genetic structure right now.
	And they're back trying to refresh their own genetic structure to get back the emotions that we have that they covet.
	That they lost.
	Well, that's really interesting, because, I mean, I remember as a child, I had periods of my life where I could barely speak.
	I couldn't speak in class.
	I was so shy.
	I was voted the shyest boy in the class.
	And I had had a number of mystical-type experiences at a very early age, including after seeing this UFO, I started to have dreams about the propulsion system.
	I started looking at the Pleiades star system when I counted to 100 when I was playing hide-and-go-seek with my friends in San Francisco.
	And, you know, then I remember this one very terrifying type of sleep paralysis experience, where we had a babysitter over at our house in the Berkeley Hills, and I remember something so terrifying happening.
	I just screamed at the top of my lungs, and the babysitter came running down, and I don't... It was so terrifying, I don't remember what was on the other side of it, but I wonder if some of the autism has to do with children coming into this world and being so terrified with what their seeing and what they're experiencing, that they just can't
	talk.
	They're just silent.
	And maybe that disconnection from our emotions and our heart chakra and a lot of our other
	chakras and energy centers in our body means we have to develop a sense of telepathy and
	a different way to communicate our ideas.
	Alright, well, another story that I read in the first hour that I just can't account for,
	There are 12,000 cows mutilated every year.
	12,000.
	There's never been one human being, not one human being, arrested for any of this.
	The reproductive organs, the ears of these cows removed with Every single time, what's called surgical precision.
	Now, we don't find tracks, we don't find normal predator type things, so it's not that, and surgical precision means it's who, and for what?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, that is when, you know, you also get into this theory that they're here, that extraterrestrials are here, they're collecting our DNA, And, you know, if you think of, you know, the Exodus and Noah's Ark, to try to gather, you know, every species on the planet, to bring them off the planet, so that then you can reseed the planet with those species, it makes more sense to collect DNA.
	It makes more sense to gather the DNA of every species, but possibly also to alter our DNA, because maybe there is something, you know, that if it was altered, we might change, something might change in our consciousness.
	But as far as the cattle mutilations, it just seems so vampiric.
	It seems like something of a much more demonic nature or species that is on this planet that is trying to survive while they're here.
	Well, maybe they're not trying to save us, David.
	Maybe they're trying to save themselves.
	Well, that was what our debate was about.
	We had this huge debate in the room with eight of the top ufologists in the room, and it was about that.
	You know, they're not coming down here and saying, here's zero-point energy, here's the answer to non-putting technology.
	They're not coming down and saying, well, here's anti-gravity.
	That's right.
	They're hovering, they're watching over us, and I often wonder, and this came up in the debate as well, that what if our forefathers and ancestors saw the dinosaurs living down there, they came in spaceships from another planet, and said, there's no way we can live down there with those things, so let's engineer The destruction of the dinosaurs by sending a giant rock into the Yucatan and creating an extinction, a mass extinction event, and then, you know, thousands of years later when the dust settles, you can come down and start, you know, seeding life down here.
	We will have that ability ourselves one day if we get past this crisis where we are literally destroying ourselves.
	We're creating our own extinction event.
	I was just interviewing a college professor It's Santa Monica College named David Phillips who told me in an interview that he believes and his colleagues believe there's only a five to ten year window to correct our ways or otherwise we will go extinct.
	Well, David, look, pull yourself back from the planet and look down on Earth, as perhaps an alien would, and you tell me, what do you think would be more dangerous to the planet?
	A bunch of big, mostly plant-eating and some meat-eating, giant, Tyrannosaurus whatevers, or what we're doing to the planet right now?
	Which is more dangerous to the planet?
	You know, it's really terrible to say this, but we are.
	I mean, it's what we're choosing to do right now.
	And I really believe most people, if the corporations made it attainable for them to have a sustainable home that's running on solar power and wind power and one day, you know, helium-3 fusion fuel cells, they would do it.
	But the problem is they're not going to go very far out of the way to do that.
	I mean, I use energy-saving light bulbs.
	I ride my bicycle when I can.
	40 mile per gallon car.
	But even that is not enough.
	If the population doubles and you have these hybrids out there that are reducing emissions by even 50%, we're still not there.
	Anyway, David, if they threw a rock at the dinosaurs, what are they going to toss at us?
	Oh, well, exactly.
	Yeah, I mean, you're talking about civilizations that are so... And this is another thing.
	This was a headline on CNN and Popular Science the first week of September 2006, and the headline And there I am filming my movie from here to Andromeda, which is about this.
	It says, if we destroy this planet, will science find us a new one?
	And this story was all about NASA's quest to find another Earth-like planet in our corner of the galaxy.
	And they have now scoured over 200 planets that they thought there might be some hope.
	And none of them are compared to the beauty and the organic potential for organic life as Earth does.
	David, are you aware of this story of the hacker in England who hacked into the NAS files?
	Well, he claims that he found evidence of a secret U.S.
	program in space.
	Now, I have no way of knowing whether that's true or not, but what if it is?
	Maybe we are looking for a way out, a way for humanity to continue if the worst should occur.
	Yeah, I think that, you know, maybe if we can seed chlorophyll on Mars, there's talk about the moon, because the moon has got the largest inventory of helium-3, which is the most energetic of all nuclear fuels.
	It's found in moon dust abundantly.
	Nine grams of helium-3 can produce the energy equivalent of a thousand barrels of oil.
	And if you set up moon bases and mine helium-3, and you could, you know, cause it to undergo a successful fusion reaction, and you could You know, you could set up a base there.
	I mean, it wouldn't be a very good lifestyle, really.
	No, it wouldn't, David.
	And if we cannot, in the process of its death, save our own planet, then what in the world are we doing going to either our own moon or Mars or beyond?
	And what gives us any hope whatsoever that we're going to do any better anywhere else?
	I know if that's what, you know, in the end of my new film, From Here to Andromeda, I suppose that if we could even get to another galaxy and find an Earth-like planet, we'd be lucky to find something as beautiful as this.
	And if we make it past this critical juncture, what life might be like on this planet 300 years from now, I mean, with anti-gravity technology?
	I mean, this is what Gary McKinnon is saying.
	He's saying the government is withholding technology that could save the planet right now, if it was distributed evenly amongst all the nations of the world.
	Anti-gravity and zero-point energy, With what as a motive, David?
	The motivation to not distribute it?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I think what they're afraid of, they're afraid of the loss of control.
	I mean, do you know what happened to real estate if we had anti-gravity?
	If you could be in New York in five minutes and you lived in the grasslands of Montana, and that's where your big ranch was, and your big... I mean, if you can levitate giant pieces of stone, people would be building castles for themselves.
	With their spaceship parked in the yard, and then if you want to go to New York to Starbucks, boom, you're there in five minutes.
	What does that do to real estate?
	It makes it worthless.
	Construction, it would alter everything.
	There would be a loss of control.
	And then, if people are able to go from star system to star system, how do you police a galaxy in the event of a criminal act?
	What happens when people are that free?
	I think that's what they're afraid of, the lack of control, the freedom of the people.
	I mean, this is real freedom.
	Anti-gravity and zero-point energy represents our liberation, our evolution, like Michio Kaku talks about going to a higher-class civilization.
	And I think that's where the fear is, that we won't be victims in an economy that says we have to worship our Our central financial sources, and empowering them to be so much more wealthy than the rest of us.
	I mean, we're slaving away just to pay our mortgages in America, just to have a house and pay the land taxes, and for many people, paying their rent.
	We don't have time to think about these things.
	And I think that is our downfall, to set people free.
	I mean, even... I mean, if you look at Tesla Motors' new electric car, designed by Lotus, you know, zero to sixty in four seconds, 250 mile range on lithium-ion batteries.
	Beautiful car!
	I mean, if you have solar panels on the roof and you're recharging your car, and you can go 0 to 60, I mean, 130 miles an hour, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds, and you've got all of your appliances and your lights and your computer powered sustainably, you're no longer paying a corporation money for energy every month.
	You're free!
	Now, if you add antigravity on top of that, and the ability to visit other star systems, people might be They might leave Earth and never come back.
	They might find that they want to come back.
	But I think that lack of control over the masses is why they don't want to give this to us.
	And maybe McKinnon is right.
	Maybe they do have this technology.
	I mean, I'm interviewing somebody in Dallas who worked for Lockheed Martin his whole life, and he's going to tell me.
	David, hold tight, we're here at the bottom of the hour, so hold tight.
	I don't know, I'm willing to consider that, but control?
	You mean they'd let everybody, have nobody left to control?
	What would be the point in that?
	I'm Art Bell.
	Hey, hey, speaking of things demonic, In many minds out there, there is very, very little doubt that we are being visited by something, by somebody, or a lot of somebodies.
	And I think it's a very important question to ask whether these somebodies really have our best interests at heart, whether they want to help us out, whether they want to correct any deficiencies in our DNA and or even our behavior.
	or whether ultimately what they're really after might be our soul.
	I would like to think, and I hope, that those that are visiting us are our friends,
	that they have our best interests at heart.
	I really hope that's true.
	However...
	What they're doing is they're taking us, one of the things they're doing is taking us in large numbers and doing God knows what to us and also to cows.
	They're writing things in fields.
	They may be messages, they may be good messages, they may be telling us to go to hell or that we will go to hell.
	I have no idea what the messages are, nor do you, for the most part.
	David, what evidence is there that these are our friends and not some demonic manifestation?
	Well, I think if there are ones here at this point that are our friends, I've seen a certain amount of evidence for that.
	But to build the case, it's kind of like you've got to hang out in court for a long time.
	But if our planet is as rare as NASA says it is, if NASA's telling us the truth, if they're giving us accurate data that there are, so far, there's no other planet we could transfer the human experience to, then that would mean to an extraterrestrial, if NASA, if the Hubble has a view of this quarter of the galaxy, I mean, pretty well, you know, you can see past the Pleiades, you know, all the way past Sirius, way past all these star systems, Then you've got to say, where are these beings coming from?
	I mean, if they're not coming from any planet we can see, and we can see a lot now, then oh my God, they're coming from far away, and that would mean, if they're organic, and they like cows, and they like steak, and they like cow's blood, then the organic experience is extremely rare, and that means this is a jewel.
	Somebody else would probably want it.
	Now, there's six and a half billion of us down here.
	You can't come down with a couple of even motherships.
	And take over a planet with nuclear weapons and six and a half billion people.
	And perhaps that's why Reagan, you know, stated in his famous speech at the United Nations how quickly our differences would dissolve if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
	How quickly.
	Yeah, but the first thing we might see is a big rock approaching.
	Actually, that might be the last thing we'd see.
	That would be the last thing, yeah, that would be the last thing we'd see.
	And then they, you know, it would take them maybe 10,000 years for the dust to settle and they could come down here and start, you know, colonizing the planet.
	Alright, David, so in all the investigation that you've done, I really would like to know how much of the abductions, how much of what we see or the evidence of extraterrestrial presence is benign and how much you would have to put in a worrisome category.
	Well, I divide extraterrestrials into three categories.
	You know, you have the If you go into the Bible and you see, you know, Ezekiel's wills and all the way back to Enoch, the first prophet, in Richard Lawrence's translation, the Archbishop of Cashel, it clearly seems like there is a disc-shaped UFO landing on the earth.
	And these beings appear to be very enlightened, very supremely spiritually evolved, and here to help us.
	There's even modern cases, in fact, in Cairo in Egypt, in 1968, the New York Times reported that there were over Over 300 apparitions of the Virgin Mary in a glowing body of white seen by millions of people.
	She was photographed and there are UFOs in the sky around her and I believe those beings travel through what I call the singularity.
	The only The only place in physics that allows you to travel instantaneously anywhere in the universe you want to, and only the enlightened have access to that.
	Okay, that word is thrown around an awful lot, the singularity.
	Would you please define what you mean by the singularity?
	Well, there's two meanings to singularity.
	They both actually mean the same thing.
	The original meaning of singularity comes from black holes.
	It's the point beyond the event horizon in a black hole where the spinning wave becomes one.
	It becomes single.
	But the other place is much, much grander.
	Paul Dirac, the quantum physicist who won the Nobel Prize with Erwin Schrodinger for the discovery of wave theory, he discovers this substratum to our universe that is non-dual, that is purely single.
	And it's an entire field that permeates everything, the entire universe.
	And he, in a nutshell, he says, if you could He said you could alter the atomic wave functions of matter, of atoms, and make them single, and you could enter it.
	He said you could be anywhere in the universe in zero time.
	And he said you could also send information anywhere in the universe in zero time.
	And this is a huge subject in my new book, Singularity, which we can talk about a little bit later.
	So I say the enlightened beings have access to the singularity.
	Beings are able to move anywhere they want in the universe in zero time, and I don't believe beings like that would crave an organic planet.
	I mean, anything is attainable to them.
	Now, when you get into beings that are trapped more by dimensions, and are unable to move at these instant velocities, they're more bound to local parts, or limited parts of the universe.
	The next level, I call the demigod-goddess realms, are those entities who have been talked about in many of the world's religions, from Buddhism to Christianity to ancient Judaism and Islam, and all of the great religions of the world.
	And I think there is some evidence that some of those were our forefathers and foremothers going back to Babylon and ancient Egypt, and there's some evidence that they're here.
	And the case for that in my new film is going to be very, very powerful.
	In fact, I've made a major breakthrough in the Phoenix Lights case that points once again back to the builders of the Pyramids.
	The Phoenix Lights?
	Wait a minute.
	The Phoenix Lights?
	I've made a major, major breakthrough in the Phoenix Lights case.
	Let's hear it.
	And that breakthrough will once again point back to the builders of the Great Pyramids.
	Describe the breakthrough.
	Okay, this will be the first time publicly I've ever disclosed this, but it's a good time to do it.
	Sure.
	My fiancé, Chris, and I went to Phoenix, and we were interviewing people there who had some very good footage of UFOs, even to this day, some new cases developing there.
	And we decided to go and investigate the area where the big triangle stopped, where it hovered over the city of Phoenix.
	And it stops between South Mountain and the Estrella Mountain Range.
	And we kind of investigated the mountains in the daytime, what is actually there And it's really amazing, because while we were there, I had this realization through a friend of mine named Roger Weir, who is a massive, massive scholar.
	And he was pointing me to a book by Peter Gorman.
	It's called Pythagoras Alive, by Peter Gorman, Rutland, Keegan and Paul Press, I think, 1972, London.
	There's a whole section in there on Pythagoras, on how Pythagoras grew up with a stepbrother who was an extraterrestrial.
	And his stepbrother was named Astraeus.
	His father actually found Astraeus sitting on the side of the road as a young child, sipping dewdrops off of leaves and staring at the sun without blinking for great lengths of time.
	And his father thought how strange this child was and how different than any human being he had ever seen.
	So he adopts the child and names him Astraeus, which means star child.
	Pythagoras learns this whole philosophy from Astraeus about how to travel to other star systems, how to purify your vehicle, meaning your body, and transform it into a body of light, so that you, in this new purified state, you're actually able to perceive other interdimensional beings around you, and star beings, and also travel there.
	Well, this is very interesting, but I don't see how it connects.
	Well, you'll see how it connects, no.
	Remember, the triangular UFO, the massive triangle, stops at Estrela, the Estrela Mountain Range, which in Latin, or Spanish, means Star Mountain.
	So, but it goes further back in history to the Greek, which means Estrela, or Star Child.
	Now, there is kind of a loose connection between the name of that mountain and why they stop there, going all the way back to the story of Pythagoras.
	Well, you think What is Pythagoras famous for?
	He's famous for the triangular theorem in trigonometry.
	That if you know the A squared plus B squared equals C squared, that's how we find out how to measure the pitch of a roof, how to do trigonometry, how to build triangles.
	And where Pythagoras learns all about all this trigonometry is back in ancient Egypt, when he studied there, the builders of the pyramids.
	Well, what are the shapes of the UFOs over Phoenix?
	Giant triangles!
	You see where I'm getting at here?
	And then, the other photographs that came in later from the Phoenix White case were actually six-pointed, there are six actual points of white that may be a Pythagorean hexagram.
	So, I think, I mean, I know this is kind of extrapolating a little bit, but Why is there a connection?
	Why did they stop in front of the Australia mountain range?
	Why does that name resonate all the way back to the Greeks and back to Pythagoras?
	And why are we seeing triangular UFOs when that is precisely what Pythagoras is famous for?
	And then when, again, you follow the road back from Pythagoras, where did he learn this?
	You go all the way back to the pyramids once again, back to ancient Egypt.
	So I'm saying that they're sending us a very clear signal of who they are.
	It just has to be decoded.
	But it's not a clear signal.
	That's my problem.
	But right underneath, right underneath where the UFO stopped in Phoenix, guess who also is right underneath there, right at the edge of the Australia mountain range?
	Lockheed Martin.
	And Lockheed Martin is famous also for building triangular F-wing fighters.
	You know, the B-2 bomber and the F-117.
	And then you think, okay, if this is really Lockheed Martin, if the UFOs stop there, do they have mile-wide triangular craft that are silent and anti-gravitic?
	And where would they hide a mile-wide craft?
	Because most of the eyewitnesses in that case said that it wasn't a formation of triangular lights.
	It was blocking out the stars, you know, in the black area between all the lights.
	Yes, I talked to many witnesses who said exactly that.
	So that would mean there are giant triangles over, you know, and these triangles, of course, are appearing all over the world.
	And so, you know, that's, to me, curious.
	I can't say, you know, that proves that there is a connection to Pythagoras and all the way back to No, it might be a little bit of a reach.
	It's a little bit of a reach, but I think there might be something there.
	Well, try this one.
	Certainly these sightings are a matter of record.
	They're a matter of eyewitness testimony.
	They're a matter of record on radar and all the rest of it.
	The big question is, why hover in our skies, sometimes very obviously?
	Why observe?
	Why not contact?
	Why not make the message clear?
	Why this standoffish observational mode that they're in?
	Well, there has been progress.
	If you think about the Phoenix White's case, how close a mothership literally is appearing.
	I mean, a mile-wide craft to us would be a mothership.
	But maybe not.
	They're largest motherships.
	They're slowly getting closer.
	I mean, the UFO I saw in Berkeley in 1968 was so close.
	I mean, if I had the camera that I have today, a high definition, you know, Canon H1, and I zoomed in on it, it would be the best footage in the world.
	I mean, but now that we have nuclear weapons, we have Stinger missiles, we have, you know, our nuclear missiles can travel 18,000 miles an hour.
	I mean, these are fast missiles.
	Um, if a mothership was hovering close in broad daylight, you know, who knows?
	They may be actually afraid that, you know, we would fire upon them.
	And cause, you know, great devastation.
	There may be some evidence we've already done that, David.
	There's footage from some of our very own space vehicles, space station.
	Yeah, I've seen that.
	That we've done exactly that.
	It certainly looks that way.
	Well, then that would mean if somebody is trying to come here to help us, if they do have zero-point energy and they do have gifts that they want to give humanity to help us get past this gap where we could fall in and destroy ourselves, Then we're preventing it.
	We're not allowing them to come in because we're so afraid.
	We have so much fear.
	Are you convinced, David, that our government is very well aware of who they are and what they're doing and we're not being told?
	Well, I wouldn't give the government that much credit.
	I mean, you know, we are the government.
	There are many people who are being visited and some extraterrestrials may be picking Certain individuals out in the middle of nowhere or in countrysides, or, you know, like Professor John Nash, who said he was receiving messages from extraterrestrials.
	I don't know, but I think the government knows a lot more than they're telling us, and I think Timothy, sorry, I mean Gary McKinnon, is telling the truth.
	I think that they do have, in fact, this gentleman who worked at Lockheed Martin his whole life, who is now retired, whose name I won't give out in the air, He is going to show me in person.
	I'm going to get to film an anti-gravity device working.
	A zero-point energy anti-gravity device working.
	That'll be impressive.
	That's supposed to be, I mean, it's already perfected.
	He's going to say that we already have the technology to go to the stars.
	And if I can get that documented, and where this is going to happen, you know, I'm not going to say, but once it actually occurs, Then we can verify that, yes, we already have this technology.
	So, again, why?
	What do you think?
	What do you think their reason is that they don't, you know, reveal this right now at this critical juncture?
	Would they rather destroy the whole planet and see it die, and all of us die?
	I mean, what do they have up their sleeves?
	What's better than this planet?
	I don't have that answer, David.
	It's actually my question to you.
	You're closer to a lot of this than I am.
	I'm mystified by it.
	Absolutely mystified by it.
	Well you saw a triangle hover right down over you.
	I certainly did.
	And how big do you estimate that triangle was?
	Not as big as the one seen in Phoenix.
	In fact, this one, you know, it's tough to judge, but it wasn't that far above me, and I wouldn't say it was more than, I don't know, 150 feet from one point of the triangle to the next, but it's tough to judge.
	I mean, when something like that happens to you, David, you're in a state of shock.
	Yeah, I know.
	An absolute state of shock.
	And I can tell you it was enough that the moon and the stars above me disappeared.
	But it wasn't just that.
	I saw the craft close enough so that I could see what appeared to be a metallic skin to it.
	I don't know, I guess they appear in different sizes, different forms, different shapes, although certainly in recent years, the triangle has been very prolific.
	The triangle has been very prolific, and I wonder, once again, when you think of trigonometry, Pythagorean triangles, and the Great Pyramids, and the triangular sides of the pyramids, if this is a sign of who they are.
	That's one good guess.
	Well, some people say that the cornerstone, the chief capstone on the Great Pyramid is going to return upon their arrival.
	And that capstone is not only a symbol, but it may even be The shape of some of their craft themselves and that's where they would land.
	Actually, you know, Zahi Hawass had plans to return the capstone in the year 2000.
	I can't recall what occurred.
	Something happened and they never followed through with that plan.
	They never put the capstone back and I've always wondered why.
	Yeah, why?
	I mean, the other thing you get into with alien Obductions, you get into the implants, you know, and Hollywood has made the implant, you know, an icon in our minds with the Matrix, with Tom Cruise's new film, Mission Impossible 3.
	And this is, you know, when you think about their, what I mentioned earlier, their fear of the lack of, the loss of control over civilizations that can travel.
	Everyone has an anti-gravity vehicle, everybody can levitate stones.
	One of the only ways you control a chaotic society is to implant everybody, you know, with these chips.
	And in Tom Cruise's new film, MI3, they have this chip that goes in your brain and if you go out of order or you get into a conflict with your superiors, they blow up the chip inside of your brain and your head explodes.
	I mean, there's no more terrifying measure of control ever that I've ever seen than I saw in MI3.
	In fact, it was more terrifying than The Matrix.
	That these implants not only can be used for mind control, but the fear that if you, you know, if you speak about anything that's not, that's taboo, you know, it's goodbye.
	We have this little button and we press it and you're gone.
	I mean, that and those type of technologies have been introduced, I think, very clearly through the extraterrestrial experience.
	You know, the alien abduction and implant experience.
	And that, to me, is something demonic.
	That is not something that is That is wholesome and good for humanity.
	Well, that came from the so-called alien presence, right?
	Oh yeah.
	You just personally labeled it demonic, so I'm far from convinced that their mission here is one of goodwill and help and all the rest of it.
	I'm just very far from convinced.
	And out of your own mouth just came the word demonic implant.
	Yeah, when it comes to control, if anything is a control device, I mean you can't imagine that an angel of any religion needs to use a control chip or a chip to even track you, like we track whales and dolphins and all sorts of species.
	I mean, you'd think they would know where you are no matter where you were.
	I mean, they don't need to.
	All right.
	Well, listen, David, I'm controlled by the clock and the clock says we've got to pause.
	So stay right where you are.
	David Sirita is my guest from Manila, the Philippines.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Once again, here indeed I am.
	My guest this night is David Sirita.
	David has pretty much devoted his life to finding out what's going on around us.
	Certainly a great deal is, but we know so little about so much that's going on.
	For example, James in Santa Rosa, California says, hey Art, I don't buy into any of this spiritual, enlightening explanation about ET encounters.
	Most of the accounts and the evidence that I've seen or heard of Presents a hostile stance on their part.
	And for the most part, James, I have to agree with you.
	It does appear to be not necessarily in our best interests.
	And I wish I believed otherwise, but I don't.
	In a moment, we'll bring David right back and find out more.
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	for the year 2007, reviewing those made for 2006, and asking you to reach into your psychic
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	We only take one prediction per customer, only those made on the air are officially
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	That way everybody knows it's on the up and up.
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	Only those actually aired on the program are recorded.
	So there is no hanky-panky going on with any of that.
	Once again, David's reading.
	David James in Santa Rosa again says, you know, I just don't buy any of this spiritual enlightening stuff about these ET encounters.
	Most of the accounts, the evidence that I've heard of or seen, seems to apparently present a hostile stance on their part.
	Well, yeah, when we look at, you know, the case for alien abductions, you know, people being forcibly taken against their will, putting computer chip implants in them, altering their DNA, I mean, none of this looks, you know, benevolent.
	Or friendly in any way.
	But there are other cases when you really go out into, you know, the mystical experience, the religious or mystical experience, there are many cases, you know, when I say the word extraterrestrial, it just means extra or beyond Earth.
	It doesn't necessarily mean A green alien.
	It could be an encounter with a divine personality, an encounter with an angel, or, you know, what the Buddhists call the demigods or goddesses, and the Hindus call the same.
	I mean, in the Hindu Bhagavad Gita, there are descriptions of extraterrestrials flying around in chariots or spacecraft, watching us go into these great battles.
	I mean, there are accounts of this, you know, way back in our history, in our different religions.
	So, if it's If a species or a civilization showed up to Earth today in a mothership, you know, 10-mile-wide mothership, you know, to us, they would appear as gods.
	I mean, when I say demigods, because the big G, you know, has higher, you know, much higher implications, but to say that they are here to watch us die and then, you know, take over our planet next, or they're here just to experiment with us to see how we're doing, Are we an experiment that they started?
	I mean, if we reach, just say, aren't we reach beyond light speed space travel ourselves?
	And we're able to go out there and find other planets where we can seed human life.
	We may not be able to fly our factories here, our car factories and, you know, steel smelters.
	I mean, we may be able to just drop a couple of people off and say, hey, it's a new planet, go out and see what you can do.
	If we're an experiment, for example, and that they, in fact, seeded us, doesn't that put a question mark after the Big G?
	Well, it does.
	I mean, the Big G would have to equal.
	If you look at how much energy it takes to create a universe, and the Big G is the God of the whole universe, then the Big G has to radiate and equal.
	The power and the magnitude that it is required to create a whole universe and more.
	So that would mean that civilizations that show up in spaceships don't necessarily qualify for the Big G. I don't know.
	If you listen to the likes of Dr. Kaku, then a Type 3 civilization, from our point of view, would be the Big G. They would have the power to create a planet like the one we walk upon right now.
	Well, creating a planet, to me, doesn't make you the Big G. You have to go to create universes.
	I mean, a whole universe to be the Big G of everything.
	That makes you still a demigod, a god or goddess of enormous power, to create a planet like the one we're on now, or to even terraform a planet, like to be able to come along with technology and make Mars, you know, have an atmosphere and grow plants and food and And all these things that we need for organic life.
	And that would make you a demigod for sure.
	Well I know you've said here NASA has gone searching to find other intelligent life in the universe and possible new home planet for humanity and so far not a single one.
	And I might add SETI has had no signals that they've told us about.
	So in other words we've had no contact, we can't find anything that resembles Earth out there just yet.
	And is there a possibility that they have in fact found something and have not told us?
	Well, that's really, you know, possible.
	I mean, if NASA found a planet that looked like Earth, and there was water, and it was like Hawaii, it was a brand new paradise, and there was hardly anybody living there, would they tell us?
	I don't know.
	I don't think they would.
	I think that probably the most elite, you know, societies in the world would sequester that and hide that knowledge for themselves.
	I mean, every, you know, when Hawaii, the Hawaiian Islands were first discovered, and the Philippines, where you are, I mean, these were paradises.
	And, you know, they didn't want everybody, you know, showing up there overnight.
	I mean, these were guarded secrets for a long time.
	And eventually, people started to discover how beautiful it was to live in Hawaii.
	And people started moving there and making war against the Natives.
	So, I don't know what they tell us.
	And that's one of my concerns.
	I mean, when I look at NASA's report, they are looking for another place.
	And the very fact that they would rather do that than change our policies.
	One of the things Professor David Phillips said at Santa Monica College in the interview was that the only way we're going to survive is if we call an emergency plan to transform everything overnight.
	We've got five years to change everything.
	I mean, if only 10% of the planet is sustainable, right now it's 0.07% sustainable technologies on the planet as a whole.
	sustainable technologies on the planet as a whole.
	California is 22% sustainable energy.
	So even though we're very progressive in California, the rest of the world is not progressive.
	And you're not just looking at global warming.
	I mean, Al Gore looks at global warming in The Inconvenient Truth.
	But sewage pollution is almost a greater problem than that.
	If you kill... We're dumping... In the Mediterranean, there's 60,000 tons of mercury dumped into the Mediterranean every year, mixed in with raw sewage.
	The Indian Ocean is one of the most overfished, polluted oceans in the world, where we have the great tsunamis.
	You're talking about, if you kill all the seaweed and the phytoplankton in the ocean, there's no more oxygen.
	70% of our oxygen comes from our oceans.
	So, there's just too many problems to tackle in the next decade.
	Say we have 10 years to change everything.
	And then these earthquakes start occurring.
	If the earthquakes, this is something Al Gore didn't put in his film, if all this ice from the Greenland massive ice sheet and ice wind comes cascading into the North Atlantic, And sea levels rise, what happens to all the rice fields?
	What happens to a lot of the most fertile soil on the planet is at sea level.
	You know, even the valley in central California where we grow our food, if water can find a channel to get in there if sea levels rise, I mean, it will all be buried in salt.
	And you can't grow anything in salted soil.
	So, what happens to the food production?
	I mean, this is really heavy stuff and would we rather Not do this emergency strategy right now.
	Transform the whole planet into sustainable technology.
	I mean, today sustainable technology means wind and solar and a few other things, but if zero-point energy exists in a government lab at Lockheed Martin and we're not using it, it is the greatest crime against humanity.
	Is that what you believe?
	I don't necessarily believe.
	I actually believe that what they're using are intense nuclear sources of energy that are very radioactive to power their military anti-gravity craft.
	I believe we've attained anti-gravity.
	John Hutchison has proven that to me, and there's a few other people who are doing it as well.
	But Dave, if we have anti-gravity, then we have this power source.
	Well, we have nuclear power sources that are radioactive that are powering some of these anti-gravity technologies.
	I mean, you look at the Betty Cash case, you look at Betty and Barney Hill, you see evidence of radiation burns.
	If an extraterrestrial was flying from another star system using a radioactive power source, they would never get here.
	I mean, they would be mutated long before they arrived here.
	And I think there is evidence that we are using radioactive nuclear sources to power some of these experimental craft.
	But pure zero-point energy, with no harmful radiation, that would be something that... I don't think we have that yet.
	Not ourselves.
	David, moving back for a second to NASA's search, I understand why NASA is looking outward.
	It's their job.
	That's what they're there to do.
	We've got a wonderful telescope that we're now repairing and we're going to continue to look outward.
	Hopefully someday we'll find something or be told that we have found something.
	However, I've always wondered, and maybe you can answer this, Why the Vatican is looking so hard?
	They powered their way up onto Mount Graham, I believe it is, with a telescope.
	Now, what is it that the Vatican thinks they're looking for?
	Well, I think, I mean, you get into the ultimate question about God and the second coming of Christ, I think the Vatican, if they're thinking that Jesus is coming in a, who knows, a giant spiritual temple or mothership, They would probably like to have advance warning that something is occurring.
	I think they're looking for the same thing we're all looking for.
	They're probably also... I mean, remember...
	There was no ship previously, David.
	There certainly was an unusual star for a while, but there was no sighting that I'm aware of that accompanied Jesus onto Earth the first time around.
	Yeah, I know, and you look at this case for these apparitions in Cairo.
	In fact, the BBC News, ABC World News reported on their website that in the year 2000 in Assyria, Egypt, Another small town in Egypt where the Holy Family traveled.
	There was 2 million people who flooded this town over a period of a month for these strange luminous figures in the sky above this very poor Coptic church.
	And way up in the sky were these orbs of light.
	And they're photographed.
	I've seen the videotape and the actual photographs of them.
	And that was reported in the year 2000.
	So, you know, But then nothing comes of this.
	You know, there's this apparition, there's these lights in the sky, but there's nothing, you know, there's no iconoclasm, you know, some major event.
	Right.
	And you want that.
	You want, you know, some big resolution here.
	You don't want just a little peekaboo and then they're gone.
	And that's the most frustrating thing in this field.
	But when you get into the areas of invisibility, you know, with the advent of these little digital cameras, people are seeing UFOs showing up on their frames when they download them.
	NASA's video cameras, which I have already shown, demonstrated how they're able to see into the near and the far ultraviolet, which are both invisible to the human eye, and that's where a lot of this phenomena occurs of these, you know, potentially giant, you know, ships of light.
	Then, if you get into the whole invisibility area, there's a lot of presence on a regular basis.
	I mean, they're here all the time.
	So then, what are they doing?
	How are they interacting with us?
	And that means The invisibility area is so exciting because it opens up the area of non-intrusive, non-shocking contact.
	That means there could be a mothership above your studio right now, or above my house, and because we don't see it in the visible light spectrum, from red to violet, it means that they can communicate with us non-intrusively, behind sleep, through telepathy, and they could be, perhaps, they're influencing the next generation of children.
	They're implanting their brains with Stuff that's far beyond Einstein.
	Perhaps, you know, they're doing... I mean, I've had some experiences where that's actually occurred to me.
	And that's where my revelation in singularity is occurring.
	I mean, I'm able to now see with singularity at least the theoretical physics of how one day we will be able to move far beyond our own galaxy.
	You know, way far beyond that.
	And that may take a hundred years to engineer if we start working on it today.
	It may take 500 years.
	If we have 100 years.
	If we have 100 years, and that's what's so, you know, tragic here.
	I mean, there's so many beautiful things about the human experience.
	I mean, just think of, if just the music and the food, if we, if we die, and no other civilization ever gets to find out about, you know, how incredible the music is down here, and the food, what a tragedy that would be.
	You know, and not to mention all the other beautiful things that human beings experience.
	I mean, we're such an incredibly diverse and beautiful species, but... On one side. But if
	we destroy this, if we don't make it past this critical juncture, that's it. No
	one will ever know this ever happened. At least we won't be able to prove
	that anyone knew.
	And then you get into the idea that if our music is traveling
	through the spheres and through the cosmos, does somebody hear it out
	there somewhere and think, wow, I want to go find out where this
	music is coming from.
	Well, while you're on the subject of music, an icon, James Brown, breaking news, has just passed away at age 73.
	Oh my God.
	Pneumonia.
	73 is very young.
	Oh my God.
	Well, he's out there now.
	You know, he's getting He's getting access to what we all want.
	The human race has a beautiful side to it, there's no question about it.
	The individuality, the creative aspect of humanity.
	But there's a scale, David, and I'm afraid there's some awfully heavy weights over on the other side.
	We're doing things to this planet right now that may make all of this academic.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	When you say a heavyweight, I mean, what do you mean by that?
	I mean, we are doing a heavyweight.
	The environmental damage we're doing to the planet right now is a very heavyweight indeed.
	The damage we're doing to ourselves right now, not just the planet, the thing, but those who live upon it right now, all of humanity.
	We're going through changes right now that I consider to be a very heavyweight indeed.
	If it's a race, we don't have a lot of time.
	I mean, even every time we double the price of a house.
	I mean, I was thinking about this in relationship to Al Gore's movie.
	A house doubles in price.
	We've got to drive twice as much, burn more fuel, to do more jobs, to make more dollars, to pay for this simple little thing that sits on the earth.
	That's right.
	And then, that means more global warming.
	And then, you know, when all these other civilizations and, you know, sorry, cultures like China, when they start getting into this economic growth thing, you know, why are we doing this to ourselves?
	I mean, this is a self- I mean, there's no conspiracy theory behind real estate prices going up.
	This is something we just believe.
	We believe now a house in L.A.
	is a million bucks, and the land taxes are $1,200 a month on a million-dollar house.
	We believe that.
	I mean, there's no government doing this to us.
	It's us.
	And when we do that, then, you know, we've got to be a bigger slave to the system.
	I mean, look at cars now.
	I remember when it was a big deal to have 100,000 miles on a single car.
	I remember my stepfather Pat's car, his old Volvo, when it reached 100,000 miles.
	I mean, people do 100,000 miles now every, some people every couple of years, some people every three years.
	You know, it's incredible, and what is that doing?
	Every time the basic human needs multiply in cost, it means that we have to drive like crazy.
	I mean, with Al Gore's movie coming out, you look out on the freeway, there's a lot more Priuses out there in Los Angeles.
	But there's more cars on the road and there's more gridlock than ever.
	So I'm not that hopeful that we're really going to make it.
	It's just not Los Angeles, not just the US.
	Take a look at the really populated areas like China.
	You know where they're headed?
	They're headed to two cars in every garage.
	They're headed to... They want all the things we want and why shouldn't they, David?
	They're an emerging technological nation.
	They're going to want what we have and if they get it, the planet is not going to be able to sustain it.
	I think that's one of the reasons there are so many Extraterrestrials and UFO sightings here.
	I think disclosure needs to happen.
	I think it needs to be taken as seriously as global warming.
	It needs to be that serious.
	I mean, we have so much to gain from this if we take it seriously.
	And maybe, what if there is 10 species out there who want to steal our planet from us, but there's one who wants to give us the technology that will transform this place, but they can't get in.
	You know, what if they're fighting each other and they're knocking out the guy who wants to come down and help us?
	And some of the other spaceships are crashing on our Earth right now.
	I mean, there is some evidence of that going on, that there's a war going on out in space over this pearl.
	And that's what concerns me.
	I love this planet.
	I've given my life to this planet.
	I planted 1.3 million trees.
	I've done oil spill cleanup.
	I've done, you know, I promoted sustainability.
	I spoke in Congress on helium-3 fusion.
	I fought for 10 years to get funding for helium-3 fusion.
	We had 10 Nobel Prize winning physicists working with us.
	Maybe that's why we're on the moon and we're not being told about it.
	David, listen.
	I've had you for an hour and a half.
	I'd like to give you to the audience.
	Coming up, all right?
	Sure.
	So that's exactly what we're going to do.
	I'm sure many of you have questions.
	We've covered an awful lot of territory.
	We'll come back with the phone numbers, giving you an opportunity to ask David Sirita any question you would like.
	He's been looking into this UFO phenomena for a long time.
	What do you guys think?
	Do you think we're a pearl in otherwise a giant empty desert?
	Do you think this is a prized place or just a big accident?
	I'm Art Bell.
	Well, this part of the ride for James Brown, sadly, has ended.
	At the beginning of the program, I told you, quoting from the Associated Press, James Brown was hospitalized with pneumonia on Sunday, but he hopes to be able to perform again next weekend.
	According to his agent, Brown 73 admitted to Emery Crawford Long Hospital, said his Frank Casitas of Intrigue Music.
	Now, that was at the beginning of the program and now just a few moments ago, sadly, reporting to you that James Brown died.
	He's dead at the age of 73.
	So, an American music icon is gone in this part of the ride for James.
	Take care, buddy, is gone.
	www.globalonenessproject.org www.globalonenessproject.org
	Somebody, David, calling himself Hawk from St. Louis.
	Louis, not the guts to use his own name, says, Art, your guest is full of, well, you know, tell him to go back to the Stone Age with Mother Gore.
	You want to respond to that kind of thing?
	Me?
	He's talking about Al Gore?
	Well, he's talking about you and Al Gore.
	Well, you know, there's there's people out there who who don't believe that any of this is happening.
	You know, they just want it.
	And, you know, when you see now, look, James Woolsey, this is what I would say to him.
	Why would James Woolsey, the former head of the CIA, be so concerned about global warming that he would speak at an alternative energy vehicle conference in Santa Monica?
	Why would Terry Tamminen, the former head of the EPA, resign under Governor Schwarzenegger so he can tell the truth about the state of the world?
	I think the fact that Woolsey is coming forward to say this, if you don't believe him, if you don't believe the former head of the CIA, that we're at a critical juncture, then You know, you have your head in the sand.
	Yeah, I've got this feeling that when people have on rubber boots that are up to their hips and the water has reached up to their knees and they're waiting around, there'll still be people out there saying, this is a bunch of... Meanwhile, you know.
	Well, because they don't want to face it.
	I mean, we had Proposition 87 in California, the most progressive state in, you know, sustainable technology.
	It failed.
	And why?
	Because the oil company spent a fortune $150 million in commercials to fight it.
	If you gave me $150 million to invest in helium-3 fusion, breakthroughs in solar panels and these sort of things, we could progress so rapidly.
	I've got a lot of people that want to talk to you.
	Let's do exactly that.
	Let's go to Wild Card Line 1, Blair and Sedona.
	You're back on the air again, and this time with David Sirita.
	Merry Christmas, Art.
	Merry Christmas, David.
	Hey Blair, how do you do that?
	How do you get on just like that?
	I have a mentor by the name of Dr. James Martin Peebles about four years ago that basically had me relax into it as long as it was for the benefit of the many rather than the few, David.
	Art, Blair and I were sitting with my fiancee out in the middle of the desert a few months back in Sedona near Bradshaw Ranch and after three hours we were looking What direction were we looking?
	We were looking in the northwest at Sycamore Canyon.
	At Sycamore Canyon, this huge crescent moon-shaped green luminous UFO came out of the northerly direction, or you describe it.
	Well, that's exactly what it was, the greenest white crescent, and it moved at a 20 degree angle rapidly and silently careening into Sycamore Canyon.
	There's no sound, but you remember the cloud cover was coming in, so it brightened up that whole field to the west, the greenish-white color.
	The whole cloud just lit up.
	It was huge!
	Yeah.
	And then all of a sudden we hear these thumping blades of a, you know, massive Black Hawk helicopter, I would presume.
	And we're in the middle of nowhere.
	I mean, we're way out there.
	We're not near any towns.
	And right after the UFO sighting, you hear the helicopters coming.
	Well, it's always very interesting to have two eyewitnesses on at the same time.
	Blair, do you have a good question?
	Well, I hope it is, in regards to David's singularity approach.
	David, would you comment about that so-called folding technique that was channeled recently to you by Summer Bacon here when she was in Sedona with you?
	Well, I mean, singularity goes far beyond, you know, wormholes.
	Wormholes, I suppose, are impossible because they require the negative energy of a hundred million suns.
	And the idea of folding two points in space and using an Einstein-Rosenbridge wormhole to get there is impossible physics.
	But the singularity allows us to go between two points or fold space with tiny, tiny amounts of energy.
	Don't say that about my favorite movie.
	What's your favorite movie?
	Contact.
	Oh yeah, Contact, one of my favorite movies as well.
	I believe in wormholes, but I think our approach to them is incorrect, and that's the problem.
	Right now it's pie-in-the-sky physics because no civilization could get access to the kind of energy you need to create a wormhole the way we're approaching them.
	But if you approach them through singularity, which is a whole new way of approaching wormholes, they become very feasible.
	But it's really Paul Dirac who's on the forefront of that work, and I'm bringing it in my new book, Singularity, which is posted up on your website.
	You know, for people who want to find out what is the singularity and how do you use it to travel anywhere in the universe in zero time, you have to read the book.
	Okay, east of the Rockies, southwestern Pennsylvania, it's Bob.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	Nice to talk to you.
	After seven years living in the woods, listening to you on the radio, Grand Cup Radio, I finally got to talk to you.
	You sound like the motorcycle guy who swallowed too many bugs.
	Yeah, well, I've done that.
	Many times.
	And I've got a heart of 82-starches.
	How do you do it?
	Dave, what do you think about these crop circles?
	Do they leave a mess each year, or is it just a bunch of avian hippies running around drawing?
	Well, I think there's a little bit of both.
	I mean, you've got to kind of, you know, like a chalk eraser board, you've got to erase all the fake circles and look at the real ones.
	And when you compare the real circles to quantum physics modeling, They're identical.
	There is a lesson.
	This is a chalkboard lesson.
	And I go into this in my book, Singularity, on what that lesson is.
	There is a code.
	There is a language of wave particle physics modeling that is teaching us how to reduce the mass-gravity effect of mass and ultimately attain singularity so that we can be free of this matrix, this fabric that doesn't allow us to move faster than the speed of light.
	You're implying that these crop circles have been decoded, yes?
	Well, that's part of the work that I'm doing.
	In fact, if you read about quantum physics, what they do... Do you know what a bubble chamber is?
	A bubble chamber is a little chamber filled with gas, like cloud vapor.
	And when subatomic particles explode in the vapor, they leave little trails, little tracks.
	And they photograph the tracks, and you just see these little spiraling lines and curvatures.
	To a quantum physicist, that's a language.
	And when you look at crop circles, then you look at particle explosions.
	For example, in Frank Close's book, The Particle Odyssey, then you suddenly realize, oh, that's what that language is.
	And I can literally look at certain photographs of particle explosions, and you can determine what the particle is just by looking at the nature of the orbit that it's leaving in the photograph.
	So there's a language there.
	And I think a particle physicist is the best person to study crop circles.
	To determine what the message is.
	To the best of your knowledge, nobody has actually relayed to us what the messages are, right?
	I don't think that's true. I think myself and there are some other people who are decoding the messages in the
	field.
	I wish I had access to the real circles and we could just get rid of all the fake ones and really apply myself to
	them.
	But I haven't had the chance to over...
	Well, at this point, what do you think you do know?
	Well, what I think I do know, like, for example, when you look, this is one of the things that Paul Dirac found, is that when an electron-anti-electron pair, which normally travel in orbits around the proton in an atom, when they're stripped off of a proton, they spiral into smaller and smaller orbits, and when they do that, the higher the frequency of the orbit they go into, the more of their mass energy they give up.
	And Dirac actually calculates the moment that they give up all of their mass energy equivalent and they attain zero mass.
	Which means now they're free to, they don't weigh anything anymore.
	I have no idea what you're saying right now, David.
	I'm asking, what is the message?
	You need diagrams to actually look at this.
	You need to look at paper.
	But if you even know what part of the message is, what they're saying, I want to know.
	I think they're teaching us how to build a spaceship, how to build a wave energy generator, That is the secret to their propulsion systems.
	That's what I believe is going on in a nutshell.
	The details of that are in my book, Singularity.
	But you really need to look at the diagrams.
	When you look at the wave model diagrams side by side with a crop circle, it's pretty stunning.
	Okay.
	All right.
	First time caller line, Andrew in San Diego.
	You're on with David Sirita.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I just have a question.
	I'm a photographer out of San Diego, and I just wanted to know, like, where, because I've seen one before a couple of years ago, but this was before I was a photographer.
	I mean, where would you, where would you go, and what time of day would you go to see one and get a picture of one?
	Are you in for a spacecraft?
	Yeah.
	Well, here's what I would suggest.
	Fuji now has just made a certified Pro 10 megapixel digital camera that can certifiably see into the infrared, which is invisible, the visible wavelengths from red to violet and ultraviolet.
	It is a certified Pro UV IR camera.
	You can look on their website.
	I would suggest buying one of those.
	And before sunrise, especially in the wintertime, When the sky is very cold, go around taking pictures, you know, around the ocean.
	Take a lot of photographs and see what comes up.
	But to say where they're occurring, there's a lot of work done into certain hotspots.
	I mean, Phoenix is definitely a hotspot right now, so is Sonora.
	There's a lot of different areas that are hotspots for a while, and then all of a sudden, they're not hotspots anymore.
	Well, that's a pretty good suggestion.
	You're saying this new camera, capable of looking into the infrared, is going to pick up a lot of this?
	The infrared and the ultraviolet.
	The ultraviolet is invisible to humans, too, and it's certified in those areas.
	Fuji's pro-UVIR camera.
	They're $2,000, 10 megapixels.
	Very, very interesting.
	I know Canon has a version, the 20DA, I think it picks up, it's for astronomical photography, The camera I have right there, I have the Canon 1D Mark II N, which is the fastest digital camera on the market, and then I just bought a Canon 400mm 2.8, so it's super fast telephoto, and I mean, it's so clear, it's like I wish I could, and I've seen one before, if I could just get a camera and get one, I mean, like you said about the Canon H1, it would be the best
	I even did a test with a Canon XL1 in front of the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant in Arizona, near Phoenix, before sunrise in the winter.
	I videotaped the power plant when it was in operation, and when I played back the video, I got an invisible gamma ray burst on the videotape, which pretty much Blue, a bright violet-colored flash across the digital plane of the video camera.
	That is very, very interesting.
	So these newer cameras may actually up the number of pieces of evidence that fall into our hands shortly.
	Well, yeah.
	If you look at ufoevidence.org on the internet, there's a wealth of photographs where every time, and I see them on your website too, Art, where the photographer swears they did not see this at the time of photography.
	And there, lo and behold, is a metallic In fact, there was one photograph from Sedona that was pyramid-shaped, clearly a pyramid when I zoomed in in Photoshop with angles and shading that showed up on a digital camera, and the person didn't see it at the time of photography.
	And when I thought, oh my God, there's one of your triangles, but this is a three-dimensional pyramidal triangle, which would look perfect sitting on top of the Great Pyramid.
	So, the digital camera alone is already picking up invisible UFOs, but the certified ones that are 10 megapixels That's outrageous.
	Now NASA's cameras that they use on the space shuttle, Joseph Knuth III confirmed to me can see.
	He said into the near ultraviolet, but when he gave me the actual wavelength and I converted it, it's like, no, it's not just seeing the near ultraviolet, it's seeing into the far ultraviolet as well.
	And there's ultraviolet near, ultraviolet far, and ultraviolet extreme.
	So to be able to see into the near and the far is phenomenal.
	No, no, that's very interesting, and it's something I had not yet considered, that we're moving into a realm of photography now, that is literally almost out of this world, and may begin to capture things that are literally out of this world.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Sirita.
	Hello!
	Hi Dave, and Art.
	I was going to say, I was going to ask you, have you really got into the Phoenix Lights that happened a few years ago, where the UFOs went over Phoenix, Arizona?
	Actually, I think they came from, they started from where R was towards Area 51 and they went all the way towards Tucson, Arizona.
	Actually, I think it was the other way around.
	Now, memory may not be serving me correctly, but the first reports, I believe, came from Phoenix.
	We were taking them on the air.
	Yeah.
	And then the latter reports came from the Las Vegas area.
	And I know they went all the way to Tucson.
	That's right.
	Luke Air Force Base.
	Which is outside of Phoenix, throughout some F-16s, to try to intercept this, and then all of a sudden they said it was just flares.
	Well, yeah, I've studied the Phoenix Lights case, you know, thoroughly, and also Jeff Willis' footage is some of the best footage I've ever seen.
	There's also this college professor at Santa Monica College that I interviewed, Art, about the environment.
	He's saying that in 1968, which is the same year I saw the saucer in Berkeley, he saw a 100-foot-wide saucer Hovering 10 feet above an alfalfa field with his girlfriend in Scottsdale, Arizona.
	1968, Scottsdale.
	So UFO sightings go way back in the Phoenix area, but I asked him, I said, I mean, that's 1968.
	And he said, there's no way if that was in our arsenal of military that we would be hiding it.
	He didn't believe that it was ours, that we'd be hiding it all this time.
	And you think about a hundred foot saucer, which he saw from a hundred yards away.
	That would be one of the closest sightings in history.
	And here's a guy with a PhD in psychology, and he's telling you this.
	Okay, well, David, Tim asked you how far in.
	Instead of using our money on the war machine in Iraq, what would you think about socialized medicine?
	Well, I mean, that's a different issue.
	I mean, of course.
	I don't have enough information myself to be able to even answer a question like that.
	I mean, I think...
	I think, you know, if you believe... it depends what you believe about the war in Iraq.
	People are divided over that issue.
	If you believe it... Yeah, let's not even get into that.
	It's not your area of expertise.
	What he did ask you was how far you got into investigation of the Phoenix.
	Oh, very, very deeply.
	I mean, I've spent time in Phoenix.
	I've seen the Phoenix White film several times.
	I've interviewed... I mean, I know Wynn Kitai, the producer of the film.
	I know other people in Phoenix who are seeing UFOs.
	Some of the footage out of Phoenix, I'm not that impressed with.
	There's a lot of hills in Phoenix, and so at nighttime you can get something that appears to be a light hovering above the flat general plain, and really it's just a light on a hillside.
	But there is a lot of UFO activity that's genuine that's occurring in the Phoenix area.
	It's a hotspot.
	It's an area that needs to be studied.
	Do you have any idea why it's a hotspot?
	I think that They pick certain areas where, you know... Here's why.
	I go back to my setting in Berkeley in 1968.
	Lawrence Berkeley National Lab is right there on the hill.
	Looking right... I mean, clear view of these things.
	Lockheed Martin is right there underneath the Phoenix Lights.
	Right there.
	Why Roswell is close enough to It's hard to tell which one it is.
	to where the Trinity site was. But all of that indicates government involvement.
	I know! Either that or their scrutiny or watching our government, our progress in the nuclear
	field. It's hard to tell which one it is. I can't believe that Lockheed has a mile-wide
	triangular craft, but I can believe that extraterrestrials would be interested and have absolutely no
	fear of our greatest defense contractors.
	Well, it certainly is worth noting that the whole thing virtually began.
	Yes, you can look back and see pictures on rocks and all the rest of it, but the whole thing really began when we detonated the first atomic weapon.
	Yeah, that was at Trinity Site.
	This is an amazing chronology to follow.
	You follow Ken Arnold's sighting in June 1947.
	And he said he saw UFOs doing 1800 miles an hour between Mount Adams and Mount Rainier.
	Then you have the United Airlines pilot in Western Idaho and their crew, and they reported seeing the same Chevron-type UFOs just days later.
	Then in Portland, Oregon, in Oregon, this was all over the press, there were sightings again in July 4, Independence Day, and apparently one of the largest, widely All of that is absolutely right.
	Hold on, David.
	was in Portland, Oregon and made all the major newspapers.
	Then you go to Edwards Air Force Base, and on July 8th there's sworn testimony from many
	military officers that nine UFOs were hovering over Muroc Field, which is now Edwards Air
	Force Base, on the same week or within days of the Roswell incident, if not the same...
	All of that is absolutely right.
	Hold on, David, we're at the top of the hour.
	I only hope that unlike Independence Day, the movie, when they finally show up, we're
	not all fried like so many ants.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	Hey, Merry Christmas, everybody.
	I really mean that.
	Merry Christmas, even if the following message doesn't seem all that merry.
	It's from Lori in San Diego, California, and it bears a little thought.
	It says simply, Art, why would the heads of government not give us the technology to save our planet?
	Mainly because it's too late.
	More than a few heads of state have recently resigned shortly after accepting the job they wanted.
	Wanting to spend more time with their families.
	Why are they doing that?
	Laurie, I don't know that that is so, but if it is, I would have the very same question.
	My guest, David Sirita, is all yours this hour.
	Any questions you might have for him or thoughts coming up next?
	Once again, David Sirita.
	David, before we plunge back into the lines, I want to give you a chance to plug what you've got.
	I know you've got a book, Evidence, The Case for NASA UFOs, right?
	And Singularity, my newest book.
	Which is available where?
	If you go to lulu.com, L-U-L-U dot com, forward slash David Serita, S-E-R-E-D-A on Serita with no periods, that's lulu.com, You can see both of my books there.
	Singularity and Evidence, the Case for Nasty UFOs.
	And also that last thought, I wanted to finish that.
	The nine UFOs that were seen over Muroc Field, Edwards Air Force Base, in July 8, 1947.
	And no one really knows the date on Roswell.
	But if you go further back before, because there's another major event at Edwards Air Force Base, which involves Gordon Cooper, the astronaut.
	In 1942, the Battle of 42, where we shot 1,400 rounds of munitions at, again, nine UFOs were seen over Los Angeles.
	And there are these majestic documents that are apparently truly stating that Army Chiefs of Staff, George C. Marshall, stated that he received evidence that we had retrieved two crash saucers from that Bombardment upon the extraterrestrials.
	One off the coast of Long Beach and one off in the San Bernardino Mountains.
	Now, where would they have taken crash saucers to reverse engineer them?
	The most likely, the local place they would take them would be Muroc Field, which is now Edwards Air Force Base.
	So, why?
	That was in 1942.
	So in 1947, there are nine UFOs hovering over the base.
	Perhaps they're there for a reason.
	They're not being fired upon, which is a very interesting point, because we fired on the UFOs in the Battle of 42.
	The nine UFOs over at Muroc Field, we did not fire at them.
	And then, it's alleged that, you know, the President of the United States actually visited the extraterrestrials there.
	But I won't go that far.
	Let's just stay with the idea that perhaps they retrieved saucers and they were reverse engineering them.
	And in 1958, when Gordon Cooper, who was a U-2 test pilot, An astronaut who flew on Gemini is stationed at Edwards Air Force Base.
	He is stating that his crew filmed a UFO saucer landing on the dry lake bed, putting out three tripod gear, described it as double lenticular, which means double lens shape, saucer shape, and it's not getting fired upon, on a military base, and it takes off.
	And he develops the film, he analyzes the film, and can clearly identify it as a flying He was familiar with these things because in Germany, post-World War II, he actually chased UFOs in his F-86 fighter jet.
	All of that is true.
	I've heard it from him.
	I know it's true.
	Everything that happened over Los Angeles, all of that's true.
	It even happened over Washington, D.C.
	Right.
	Now here's what's interesting about Everett Air Force Base.
	They're not encountering enemy fire.
	We're not firing on these things.
	So why?
	The question is, What did Cooper see?
	Did he see a reverse-engineered craft that was being tested at the base?
	And does that mean that we really do have this technology, referring to the last email you just got, and that the government is withholding it?
	I mean, if we reverse-engineered the E.T.
	craft with zero-point energy and antigravity, then yes, we do have the technology to save the planet.
	And we are withholding it.
	And then you go, from Cooper, from 1958 to my sighting at Berkeley in 1968, another decade later, near the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, once again, There were no military craft in the air.
	For a full 20 minutes, I watched the saucer with 50 people on the street, pounding on the neighbors' doors.
	Everyone was looking at it.
	And then in 20 minutes, it went invisible, right in front of our eyes.
	All right.
	Back to phones.
	Wild Card Line, Reggie in St.
	Pete, Florida.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	How are we?
	We are well.
	Very good, sir.
	I want to pay my respects to the Godfather of Soul and say how ironic it is.
	Just a couple of nights ago, Art, I was thinking of you.
	As the godfather of talk radio, you really are an icon, without a doubt.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to say that I think something else is going on that is very sinister with us.
	We have become so distracted by our talk of UFOs and all the things that are happening in our government, but when I look at so-called civilization and macrocosm, what I see is just a bunch of folk that are being herded off every day to their different destinations.
	And very few people remain conscious.
	So really, in truth, very few people know what's going on.
	And the question is whether or not it's actual consciousness that is being taken from people.
	And I think that's probably one of the things that's happening.
	Because when you look back in history, before we were called human beings, we were called sons and daughters of God.
	And that's what we really are.
	You know, we love to dig up old relics off the ground to think of what the world used to be.
	But human beings are the greatest relics, so there is a form of our consciousness that is actually being taken from us, and I just want to ask what the guest thinks about that.
	Well, I think we're doing it to ourselves.
	I don't believe in the government conspiracy in the sense that every time we let one of our houses double or triple in price, we make ourselves slaves to this economy, and we have to drive more, and we can't spend as much time with our children and our families.
	Relationships suffer because of the economy.
	I know, I mean, I remember in 1968, my stepfather, David Cooper, I was actually named David Cooper back then, he was a, worked at Thrifty's Drugstore as a photo clerk where he was, when he was going to school to become a science teacher.
	He raised four boys in the Berkeley Hills in a big house, and my mother, you know, didn't have to work.
	Now, what guy working at Thrifty's Drugstore as a photo clerk can even raise himself, let alone a whole family?
	You know, this is something that we have just agreed cooperatively to create.
	We made basic human necessities impossible to attain.
	I mean, people had children when they were in their 20s.
	My mom was only 20 years old when she had me.
	Nowadays, a girl who's 20 years old, she has to get an economy going before she can think about having children.
	So, we did this to ourselves.
	We are killing the human spirit.
	But there's other ways that I believe we are being oppressed, and that's much more tragic.
	I mean, I used to see James Brown on Sunset Boulevard, and I speak to him because you just mentioned him.
	I used to see him there all the time.
	This year, I've had three great friends of mine.
	One of them almost died of pneumonia, of double pneumonia.
	Very young guy.
	He actually edited Dan Aykroyd, Unplugged on UFOs.
	Him and I were editing it together.
	And this year, he's only 30-something years old, got double pneumonia and a right collapsed lung.
	Another friend of mine, Harry Paul, got double pneumonia.
	And another friend of mine also got pneumonia in Los Angeles.
	So, some people are equating this possibly even to the chemtrails.
	I mean, granted, he was 73 years old.
	There are a lot of cases of this in Los Angeles right now, and I'm kind of curious about it.
	There are.
	West of the Rockies, William in Pendleton, Oregon.
	You're on with David Soria.
	Good morning and Merry Christmas to everyone.
	And to you as well.
	I am one of the very first ones who's seen chips in 47 before the Roswell crash.
	Wow!
	And I have been in contact four different times in my life.
	The first time was the day the towers went down in New York, 2001.
	And the last one on the 12th of last month.
	Do you have any revelations for us on why they're here, what they're all about?
	I have a lot of revelations on it.
	Those who see ships So a lot of people, David, equate this, I mean, they put the whole so-called ET thing together with their religious belief.
	said, Joshua, we'll return the one you called Jesus and pick up the 144,000.
	Mm-hmm. I'm familiar with everything you're saying, yeah.
	Okay. So a lot of people, David, equate this, I mean, they put the whole so-called
	ET thing together with their religious belief. Mm-hmm. Are you one of those?
	Well, no, not necessarily.
	I don't think that God, you know, needs the Flying Saucer, but I think that, you know, great entities or great beings of light may fly in things that look like Flying Saucers that are not even machines.
	They're like spiritual temples.
	And there may be some evidence of some of these things that are not even machines, but have structure and architecture.
	But, just to have proof that Those beings that are appearing to us right now are our religious masters.
	I mean, I for one am a Christian mystic.
	I'm very different than most Christians, because I fully believe in other religions.
	I believe Buddha's enlightenment is real and authentic, and so is Krishna's.
	I'm not out to make war against other religions.
	But my beliefs in Christianity are my own, and I usually don't go public with them.
	But for me to have proof that, you know, Jesus Christ and the Second Coming is happening, and we are in the end of days.
	We are in our own end of days right now.
	We are creating our own end.
	Whether Jesus is going to come or not, I don't think we should sit back and rely on that and just say, well, he'll clean up the mess after we destroy the planet.
	I'm certainly with you on that one, David.
	Hey, there is one other thing.
	Your movie, what's the deal on your movie?
	Which one?
	The new one?
	Yes.
	The new one, well, from here to Andromeda, will probably come out in the spring.
	And it will be seen where?
	Well, I'm going to be distributing it with my executive producers, and we'll make an announcement on your show when it comes out, and get you a screening copy, and start talking about it.
	When you do documentaries, there's always surprises.
	You have this plan, you have this general format, which was, we were going to start with the end of life on Earth, and looking for All of the different theories on how we would get to another planet.
	One of the people I'm going to be interviewing is Robert Thurman, professor of Buddhism at Columbia College, on the ultimate question.
	If 6 billion souls no longer... if you believe in reincarnation, and there were early Christians, actually, that believed in reincarnation, the Preteran Christians, and there are some cases for reincarnation in Christianity, but a lot of the other world religions believe in reincarnation.
	So if 6 billion souls ...are not evolved enough at the end of their life to enter the clear light or heaven realms, and they're forced to reincarnate, and they don't have a planet anymore, no more bodies to reincarnate in, where do they go?
	Well, you'd think, well, they'll go find another planet, but if another planet, which is hard to find, has their own souls, and they're doing a good job, and they're taking care of their planet, would they want us?
	Would they allow us to come in and incarnate in bodies on their planet?
	So, that's a really difficult question.
	In Buddhism, There's a phenomenon called Hungry Ghosts, which are souls that are very low on the priority list to get a new body, because they were so irresponsible when they were alive, and nobody really wants them.
	So what happens is, they crave, it's like the ultimate Got Milk commercial, you know, got a body, they want food, they want all the things that humans, you know, experience, but they can't get a body.
	And that is...
	Lost souls.
	That is like a lost soul.
	It's the most terrifying possibility for the souls on this planet, you know.
	All right, Eddie, I understand, is a young lady or whatever from Dallas, Texas.
	Is that right, Eddie?
	That's correct.
	Very unusual name.
	How'd you get Eddie as a female?
	Um, you have to ask my mom.
	Well, I would have thought that would have been something you would have already done, but proceed.
	Yeah, her name's Edna.
	I see, okay.
	So I'll name that to her.
	A quick thought, you interviewed, and I think it was your best interview I've ever heard, Mr. Sparks.
	I believe that was a ductee that had like 90% memory of everything.
	That was an absolutely astounding interview, yes.
	And part of his interview, he said, That three ships came down, so many people that had three mass abductions, and they were all sat in front of a screen, and they were shown what was happening to the Earth, and he was told what to do, how to fix it, which is go and fix, first of all, the
	Rainforests, because they're the lungs of the Earth.
	If they're to help us like that, then how are y'all coming to conclusions that they're out to get us and destroy us?
	Well, I mean... Go ahead, David.
	Say to us that, I mean, the rainforests produce about one-third of the oxygen on the planet, and the kelp and the seaweed and the phytoplankton produce two-thirds of the oxygen, but we already know this.
	I mean, we don't need Someone to say that they were abducted by aliens and the aliens said you gotta fix the rainforest.
	I mean, I planted 1.3 million trees over 22 years with my own hands and back, and I have nothing financially to show for it, but that, I mean, with all the tree planters working out there, if you have global warming, the western pine beetle, the advance of the western pine beetle is going to wipe out a lot of that forest anyway, a great portion of it.
	And that means more, you know, CO2's and more global warming.
	We don't, you know, To say that someone's coming here to tell us that, yeah, you've got to get it together down there, that doesn't mean as much as someone coming here and saying, here's the answer.
	It's, you need to advance your technology, especially in the energy area.
	I mean, we've got great advances in stereo equipment and cars and computers and telecommunications.
	Wonderful stuff!
	High-definition TVs.
	But the energy that's running everything has not, we have not undergone a major transformation in that area.
	That's all we need to fix.
	If we fix the energy and the pollution to our oceans, and we save the oxygen-producing environments, we'll make it.
	Those are the two big things we need to work on.
	But we don't need, you know, for someone to make an announcement that extraterrestrials are coming here like in the movie The Abyss.
	It's just like the movie The Abyss you're talking about.
	And to tell us what's so obvious to us, that to me is not a very compelling story.
	Because they're not saying anything we don't already know.
	It's like you fly all the way here on a spaceship, and this huge spaceship comes and abducts this guy up, and that's all they have to say.
	That's not enough.
	They should know way more than that.
	All right, David.
	Let's go to the first-time caller line.
	I don't have a name or a place, but it doesn't matter.
	You're on the air with David Sirita.
	Great.
	This is Johnny from Dallas.
	Hi, David.
	David, I saw you a few years ago when you were touring with your evidence videos, and two brief questions.
	You were leaving the next day.
	This was the day after the Columbia shuttle was blown up.
	And you were going to Houston to talk to a friend who possibly had photographs involving scalar technology and that shuttle being exploded.
	Did you end up seeing those photographs after all?
	And also, did any progress ever come in your conclusion to the water ball theory from the evidence videos?
	I lectured in Dallas, but all I know about the photograph with the purple corkscrewing wave that struck the shuttle was that there was an article in the San Francisco Chronicle that an amateur astronomer took a photograph that clearly in the description shows a corkscrewing wave striking the shuttle.
	No one was allowed to see the photograph.
	It was sent to Houston, according to the Chronicle.
	But I never saw that photograph on the internet, and there was some talk about it being posted, but I don't know anybody who has actually seen it.
	But because of the San Francisco Chronicle, the accuracy, and my faith in them, there's no doubt the photo exists.
	And whether that is some sort of plasma weapon that went awry and struck the shuttle, whether it was a plasma weapon from an ET craft, or whether it was some sort of static electricity, That struck the craft.
	There's no doubt the photo existed, so I never got a conclusion on that, no.
	Are you gentlemen seeing more influence of scalar technology in weaponry or just in general, anyway?
	There, I mean, evidence of, there's no doubt we have it.
	There's no doubt we have it.
	I mean, we, when you look at the velocity on munitions going back from World War II, I did a study on how fast Our bullets, where bullets, you know, back in World War II traveled at about 1,500 miles an hour tops, some at 1,000 miles an hour.
	The craft that Ken Arnold saw were doing 1,800 miles an hour, which I don't even believe was anywhere near their top speed.
	So bullets probably couldn't hit anything back then.
	But then you get into laser-guided missiles.
	Some of our missiles can do, especially our nuclear missiles or ICBMs, you know, the Trident, these things can do 18,000 miles an hour, and that's fast enough to hit something that's hovering in You know, moving, you know, even a thousand miles an hour.
	But when you get into trying to shoot things down that are very, very fast moving, I don't think we have anything other than, that could strike these things down, other than plasma weapons.
	And that would mean that if we believe there is a threat from extraterrestrials, that we would have to be developing them.
	All right, David, hold it right there.
	And I believe across most of America, it's now Christmas, save perhaps Alaska and the Hawaiian Islands.
	I'm Art Bell, James Brown.
	Go in peace, my friend.
	We'll be back.
	Here I am indeed.
	Merry Christmas, everybody.
	Listen, there's a lot of people.
	I'm just the voice.
	You know, that's all I am.
	The voice on the other end of this microphone.
	But to get this program to you year in and year out, there are multitudes of people That make it happen.
	And I want to thank all of them.
	There are producers, there are board operators, there are technicians, there are... I'm sure you've heard this from many programs, but it's absolutely true.
	There's a gigantic crew out there of people That make all of this happen.
	And so I want to thank them.
	Wish them all Merry Christmas.
	Don't forget we're doing predictions coming up next week for the year 2007.
	I want them carefully considered and carefully presented.
	We'll also be reviewing the predictions and the hit rate for 2006.
	It's an annual event so look forward to it next week.
	Right now I've got online David Sirita, who has been for the better part of his whole life investigating ufology, investigating many of the cases that he's been talking to you about tonight.
	Things that have appeared in our skies, been shot at.
	There's simply no question about it, there is something going on.
	What that is, well I guess that's why this program is here.
	More in a moment.
	Once again, David Sirita.
	David, welcome back.
	Is there anything thus far, before we take any more calls, is there anything during the course of the show that we should have touched on and did not?
	Well, there's one thing new I have up on my website at davidsirita.blogspot.com, and because of the overwhelming response I've gotten over the years on evidence of the case for NASA UFOs, one of the answers I got back from Joseph Knuth III at NASA was that the There is a possibility that if I got enough signatures or enough demand from the American public to put me on a space shuttle to do tests with video cameras and invisible sensors to see if there really are UFOs flying by the shuttle or are these pieces of debris, he said if enough people signed a petition or demanded it, maybe he said you could petition your way on the space shuttle.
	So I put up a little petition on my website there and there's an email at NASA where people can mail the letter to If they agree to it.
	And I don't really necessarily believe I'll end up on the space shuttle.
	I would bet against it.
	I mean, David, if they're hiding this, if they're hiding this, then they're not likely, no matter how many signed, to put you up there.
	But if they get enough emails, it'll make a statement.
	I think it'll send a clear message to them.
	That may be.
	That may be.
	All right, let's go to wildcard line four, all the way to Utah and April.
	Good morning and Merry Christmas.
	Good morning.
	Merry Christmas.
	David, I saw a mothership, and I know you were talking about them being about 10 miles wide.
	It was, and we're talking about how our Earth is being destroyed.
	This ship actually flew over early in the morning and stole the water out of the mountains.
	Wow.
	Stole the water out of the mountains?
	Yes.
	You know how when you can see water evaporate?
	Yeah.
	It kind of looks like a mirage.
	This ship, it had to be at least 10 miles across.
	Where did you see this and when?
	It was in approximately March of 1997 and it flew over St.
	George, Utah.
	Wow.
	It was really early in the morning, and it went from being blue skies to there were these silver, globe-like objects that started flying across the sky and building a contrail smoke screen.
	And they came from three directions, and so I started watching really closely to see what was going on.
	The sun hadn't come up yet, and I got my binoculars out to make sure I was really seeing what I was seeing, and then after there was enough of a smoke screen built, you could hear a metallic hum.
	There was obviously something electric going on.
	So I'm standing out in the street with my binoculars, and I can hear this hum, and then you could see the water.
	All of a sudden, there was evaporation taking place on a huge scale.
	We're coming out of all of the red sandstone in St.
	George.
	That's amazing.
	It was unbelievable.
	Water is required for fuel.
	We all know that.
	If we want to go anywhere, we're going to have to find water on the moon, we're going to have to find water on Mars, or we're not going anywhere.
	Or to sustain organic life.
	Yes, well they stole it from us.
	A couple of days after that, I heard that there was supposedly some ship, like what I saw, that had been seen in Wyoming, and they had to evacuate the town because there was a supposed chemical spill at one of the Air Force bases there.
	And I was just wondering, you know, what's your take on this?
	Did you see the mothership?
	I mean, what did the mothership look like?
	Did you see it, or was it... Yes, I could see it.
	It appeared to be round.
	I could not see from one end to the other.
	I could only see the part that was directly above me.
	And it had geometrical shapes on the bottom of it.
	I couldn't see like one direct port or anything.
	But it looked like, almost like there were buildings coming down off of the bottom.
	Ten miles long?
	Ten miles what?
	It was circular.
	And it was probably at least 10 miles because they flew it over before the sun came up because had the sun been up it would have cast such a monstrous shadow that everybody would have known what was going on.
	But it flew over right before the sun came up and then right after it took the water out of the mountains it flew away and then the sun came up and it was just gone.
	I mean it headed in the direction of Las Vegas and I mean, it was absolutely unbelievable to me.
	Oh my God.
	All right, April.
	I appreciate it.
	I've heard so many like that.
	That one was interesting.
	The water angle was particularly interesting.
	I've heard that before about water, and I've heard other stories from people about motherships, people seeing them, but I'm always amazed that something that size would not be, you know, Spotted by the military and there would be jets all over the place.
	I mean, unless I know about it, let's go not just a little, but a lot west of the Rockies, all the way to the Hawaiian Islands.
	Justin, you're on the air with David.
	Yes, David and George, Merry Christmas.
	And I'd like to give thanks to the Most High for the opportunity.
	And I might say that I checked into the program just when you were mentioning global warming and reforestation and the effect of Destroying the rainforest.
	And that piqued my interest and I dialed my phone immediately, but then I realized what the program is really about.
	And so while I was waiting, I realized that I have one thing that I could tell you that you might find of interest about, I guess, so-called UFOs.
	Well, UFOs.
	I was staying out at a beach here, right near a very substantial, but primarily unknown military base.
	And my friend went out on the dune that overlooked the water to relieve himself, and he disappeared for about an hour and a half, and I thought, geez, where'd my friend go?
	My wife and I were actually there, and he came back a while later, and he was just out of breath and kind of like shooken, and I said, what's going on?
	And he told me that he had gone out on the dune, and he heard when he got out there to relieve himself, it's very, very quiet there.
	It's like a desert there.
	So there's not even any animals at Niner Sound, just the surf.
	And he heard, in what he identified at that point, the four corners of the sky, he heard helicopters.
	And then there was another helicopter right over the point that's over the military base there.
	And then he noticed, above the military base, suddenly a small orange ball, or what was small in its eye.
	He couldn't really tell how far away it was.
	And the ball started to Kind of get brighter and brighter and brighter, and then it started to move around a little, in a small shape, kind of.
	And as it moved, around it appeared one bright red, or rather, orange-yellow triangle.
	Right?
	And so then, and mind you, the helicopters are in the four corners of the sky, and there's one near to this object now.
	And now, as the triangle appeared, the ball started to intensify its motion, and all of He would shoot through the sky so fast he couldn't see it.
	He would just see a little blur when it started to move, and then he would see in the periphery of the vision another little blur, and boom!
	All of a sudden it would be fixed there.
	And so he became very astonished and sat down.
	And my friend is a lifelong yogi and a spiritual worker and studied here and has had mystifying experiences his whole life.
	And he sat down and just kind of let all this dawn on him.
	And as it dawned on him, he described to me that a profound kind of realizational force descend and then ascend through his body.
	And just as it ascended through his body and he kind of cognized everything and put it all together, all of a sudden the helicopter that was hanging out over the point seemed to start to approach him.
	It was several miles away at that point, but he said all of a sudden it reared up and started to move and seemed to be coming towards him.
	Now, all the time, On this beach, at least since 2001 now, and priorly, in some circumstances, they would have beach patrolmen in military jeeps kind of cruising along the shore, cruising along the bottom of the dunes.
	The shore is a couple hundred yards from the bottom of the dunes.
	And, lo and behold, just as the helicopter turns to him, or seems to turn to him, the lights turn to him, it fires up and starts moving, and just as that happens, all of a sudden, all of the guys in the jeeps around Fire up their lights, and they're starting to scan the beach and search around.
	And before he knows it, it really seems like they're fixing on him, and he's diving back into the bushes and running through the back of the dunes and hiding out.
	My God!
	Becoming terrified that he's going to lead them to our camp or something like this, because we're just sitting out there meditating.
	And at this time, we would sit out there a lot, and occasionally there would be missile tests that they would shoot off day and night.
	It's kind of astonishing.
	When we made our first camp out there, actually, We had a whole bunch of young rainbow kids with us, and we were just out there to do our spiritual practice, and we carved a camp into some bushes, and lo and behold, we found booster rocket cartridges stuck point-down in the sand, which I thought was kind of terrifying.
	Which island were you on again when this happened?
	This is on Kauai.
	Anyway, these cartridges were very old, and there was nothing fresh or new that looked like that at the time.
	So anyway, my friend comes back to the camp, and he tells me this whole story.
	I'd say to my wife, oh God, we've got to go check it out, right?
	My friend's like, boy, I don't know if you want to do that.
	So we ran out there, and by the time we got out there, there were still the helicopters in the sky, and the fifth one was kind of cruising all around wildly, but there was no more glowing object and no more fancy stuff going on in the sky.
	Okay, Justin, we're going to have to hold it there, we're so short on time, but you know, so many of these stories, David, seem to I imply military involvement.
	I've spent time in the Hawaiian Islands, and I've seen the same orbs.
	I mean, everybody in Maui sees these little balls of light zipping around, and I've seen them myself.
	I mean, at nighttime, they appear as balls of light or orbs, and they, you know, defy the characteristics of conventional propulsion.
	And a lot of people see them there, so they're definitely there.
	I mean, I fully believe this caller's story.
	Okay.
	East of the Rocky is Chris in Houston, Texas.
	You're on with David.
	Merry Christmas, Art and David, and it's a pleasure to be on.
	This is a really fascinating show, all the physics and the phoenix and all that stuff, but I want to get back to what I called about, which is looking at the big picture a little bit and talking about the motivation of the extraterrestrials.
	David, you said you used a couple of phrases in different contexts.
	kill the planet, and then later you mentioned something about that organic life requires
	water.
	And I think those two things sort of are a framework that you can sort of look at a different
	model of motivation for why they're here.
	Not so much centered on us and not so much centered on the planet as an abstraction,
	but on the other billions of individuals that live on this planet, mainly the non-human
	species that are here.
	We are the only species that are capable and are about to soon, if something doesn't happen,
	to create a planet kill.
	And that doesn't mean just us, it means the planet.
	No other species is anywhere close to being able to do that.
	And I think that the extraterrestrials are not going to allow that to happen.
	Yeah.
	There are several ways that that cannot happen.
	It can happen because we stop it, or it can happen because we are killed off, just this species.
	Um, or, you know, it could be allowed to happen, but, uh, one of the ways, and I think we're getting close to a window, Where it's going to be the human species or the planet, and I think that's the same thing that happened to the dinosaurs, and I think the same thing could happen to us.
	That doesn't mean, obviously, the dinosaurs live on as birds, but, you know, if we don't, if something doesn't happen about this, the air, if we poison the air so that we, so that any oxygen-breathing creature cannot breathe it, if we poison the water so that no, nothing can live in it, then everything dies.
	And we will be sacrificed.
	This one species will be sacrificed to keep that from happening.
	Yeah, I mean, that's the most terrifying principle, that something could happen much sooner.
	The planet, or extraterrestrials, hearing the call of the planet, they may choose to do a mass extinction on us so they can save the planet.
	And that can, if this professor is right, and there's only a five to ten year window, then oh my god, if that's true, then we could see something like a massive virus dropped on humanity overnight.
	I don't know.
	But there's nothing more terrifying than what that proposes.
	Let's go to the first time caller line.
	Richard, in Las Vegas, my stomping grounds.
	How are you doing?
	I'm very well.
	Merry Christmas to both of you.
	I know we're short on time, so a real quick one for David.
	I was emboldened to go off of the ET subject in that you, David, on three or four calls ago, were mentioning energy as being the key.
	Energy is the key to everything, yeah.
	Right, fine.
	Ten years ago, in round numbers, David, you wrote an article for a now-defunct Perceptions magazine, you may recall, about Bogdan Magdic and Cold Fusion.
	I was very fortunate to be able to edit that article for you and was in touch with you at that time.
	Oh, wow!
	Well, thank you, but the old wow is on my side to be honored to just tune in right now and hear your call and to ask, therefore, for an update, what's going on about cold fusion and Is there any breakthrough or likelihood of one soon?
	I second that.
	I want to know myself, caller.
	Thank you very much.
	What is the latest update on cold fusion?
	Last I heard it went to Europe and they're working on it.
	What's going on?
	Well, the caller is actually calling about helium-3 fusion.
	It's not cold fusion.
	Helium-3 is far more energetic than deuterium-deuterium cold fusion.
	It produces 18 million electron volt energy charges per fusion, whereas cold fusion is producing 3.67.
	Nevertheless, do you have any update on cold fusion?
	Well, the tragedy is, as much interest as there was in helium-3 fusion, with 10 Nobel Prize winning signatures on it, we were turned down by the Clinton-Gore administration.
	I spoke in Congress in 1993.
	Gore turned us down for funding.
	We could not get funding anywhere.
	And those physicists, that whole team of physicists, basically disbanded.
	And they went on to bomb detection and landmine detection.
	Now, Cold Fusion, there is some funding going into it, and there seems to be some progress, but it's nowhere near the contender that Helium-3 Fusion is.
	And I did write an article on that for Perceptions Magazine, and I should repost it on my website very soon, because I have it in a PDF format.
	I actually sent it to James Woolsey, the head of the CIA, and I asked Woolsey, in person, do you know about Helium-3 Fusion?
	And he didn't know.
	He didn't know anything about it.
	But the fact that Gore turned that down himself, I mean, that really shocked me.
	We were looking for $10 million.
	We had already spent $26 million in funding to build four prototypes that were very successful.
	There was a lot of progress in that area.
	But today, the University of Wisconsin at Madison, Harold Kolsinski, I believe he's one of the main proponents for helium-3 fusion going back to the Moon for that very reason.
	But there's no money going into this.
	I mean, it's really tragic.
	All right, well, David, listen, we are utterly out of time.
	Real quick plug for anything you want.
	Well, my websites are davidsarita.blogspot.com, and my books, Singularity, my newest book, which I urge you all to read, is at lulu.com forward slash David Sarita.
	Sarita is S-E-R-E-D-A.
	And Merry Christmas to you, Art, and the whole world out there, and thank you for having me on.
	David, you take care, my friend, and for all the rest of you, a merry, merry Christmas.
	I understand that a lot of our affiliates this night will properly be playing Christmas music, and some of you were deprived and didn't get an opportunity to hear this program, remembering, of course, that you can get it online, and I suspect an awful lot of people are going to be doing that.
	I want to once again thank all of you out there who have anything at all to do with getting this show to the public.
	Remember, we come from one side of the world.
	To the other side of the world with a long-form talk radio program that has never been done before.
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	And to all of you in the audience, it's Predictions Ahead for Me from Manila in the Philippines.

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