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March 19, 2006 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - James McCanney - Comets and Catastrophes

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you talk about our climate, if you discuss our climate, then that makes you political.
		And I guess in the eyes of some anti-Bush, I'm not.
		I'm not even anti-war.
		Actually, I'm a libertarian.
		And I've been a libertarian for a long, long time now.
		So what I say isn't politically motivated.
		It never has been.
		Six years ago, six years ago, Whitley and I published The Coming Global Superstorm.
		And I should add that years before that, I was talking about this.
		Then we published the book.
		And that was six years ago now.
		So just to put it all in perspective for you.
		Now, how many of you got to see 60 Minutes tonight?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked you to watch it, so I would presume a good probably, I don't know, a healthy bunch of you got to see 60 Minutes, right?
		And James Hansen?
		The scientist who can't talk, talked, sort of.
		It was called Rewriting the Science.
		It was all about the White House, rewriting the science.
		And oh my God, did they ever rewrite the science?
		Talk about redaction.
		I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't laugh, but it's you got to laugh or you'll cry.
		He is a very calm, very non-alarmist, best in his field.
		He said you may, as somebody else said, you may find somebody as good, but you're not going to find anybody better than James Hansen.
		He's it.
		James Hansen is it.
		Top of NASA, top of the climate modeling.
		And the 60-minute story, I thought, laid it out superbly, elegantly, without political tilt, in my opinion.
		They just laid it out.
		They showed you what the White House had changed.
		And if you're not angry as hell, then you weren't watching.
		It was an elegant story, to be sure.
		You know, so this is a many, many, many years, going on a decades project for me, trying to sound the alarm bells on this.
		And so I was very thankful to see the hard-hitting piece 60 Minutes did tonight.
		Hey, were you watching Matt Lauer?
		I wonder if Matt Lauer was watching.
		Somebody do me a favor and send a VCR tape or a DVD over to Matt Lauer, will you?
		Tell him courtesy of Art Bell.
		I had a whole lot of email on the subject.
		This is just one I thought it'd be worth reading.
		It's from a gal named Honey.
		There's a good name for you, Honey, huh?
		Who writes art, the idiots are ruining our earth, and just where do they think we're all going to go when the earth decides it's not enough?
		I cannot say how brave, I just can't talk about how brave this man is for stepping forward, but we need to keep this in the public eye, or once again, the government will shove it back down under the rug.
		I truly believe they don't care, since, you see, in ten years, most of these old men will be dead.
		But see, I have three granddaughters, so it upsets me greatly.
		Why are we allowing these men, these men, who not only are waging war on other men, but ruining our very lives by waging war with the environment?
		As women, we should all be standing up and demanding change.
		We need a woman to run and win before there's nothing left to save.
		And here I am still staring at the story from yesterday called Climate Change, Irreversible as Arctic Sea Ice Fails to Reform.
		They're talking about tipping points.
		And by the way, again, I'm going to be gone for a couple of weeks or so.
		And I'm going to do a little earth tipping myself, a little change of scenery, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		The End Chipping points.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you know what?
		For the next, at the bottom of the hour, I'm going to do something a little outrageous.
		I'm going to play the Rendlesham audio.
		Now, it's about 17 minutes long, so I'm not going to do it right now.
		Right now, I'd like people to call up and comment on the 60 Minutes piece.
		If you saw it and you're not ticked off, I don't know.
		So, I mean, if you want to dial in real quick, I'm going to take some calls on the 60 Minutes piece.
		But then at the bottom of the hour, in 1980, we talked about it last night on the program, the Rendlesham affair.
		And it's one thing to talk about it.
		Let me tell you something.
		It's something else to hear it.
		And this was a military unit that went out to investigate a UFO.
		Actually, a smaller UFO, perhaps a remote-controlled craft of some sort, but definitely not of this Earth.
		And the audio at the very beginning is a little difficult to understand, but then it gets real good.
		And you, oh man, at the end of the thing, they actually begin to see these objects, and it's pretty wild to hear.
		And I'm really surprised that nobody's ever played it for you, so I'm going to do that.
		I mean, we're talking about a military unit here.
		There's no question as I listen to it and as you listen to it, it'll be obvious that Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt and this military unit are encountering UFO evidence of a landing, and then they're encountering UFOs.
		And it's on tape.
		it's recorded.
		So, yeah, I'm going to play it.
		What the hell?
		You know, in fact, about a lot of things.
		Again, I'm a libertarian, but I have deep, deep, abiding concerns, worries about what's going on with our climate.
		And I am now too old and been in this game too long to give a damn and not say what I believe.
		And what I believe is that we're headed for an unmitigated disaster if we don't start doing something about it.
		This is not Republican.
		It's not Democrat.
		It's not even libertarian.
		It's just science.
		And we don't get off our butts and do something pretty quick.
		We're just going to be...
		It'll be our children.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		Do you suppose it would be mechanically advantageous from the point of view of future Mars colonists to conjoin Mars's motion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, right now, sir, is your comment about the 60 Minutes piece?
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not, is it?
unidentified		About the climate change?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh, because that's what I'm taking calls on right now.
unidentified		Well, it is censorship.
unidentified		It is definitely censorship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you saw the piece?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any other word that you could even think of that would apply other than censorship?
unidentified		Hostile takeover is the word that comes to mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hostile takeover.
		All right, thank you very much.
		I want to get as many comments as I can.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the 60-minute piece, sir?
unidentified		I didn't see it, but I would like to comment on the fact that the scientists are being censored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, yes, actually, yes.
unidentified		I don't understand that, I mean, this is America.
		I just don't understand how they can do that.
		They expect us to stand for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was America.
unidentified		Oh, exactly.
		It was.
		But, I mean, we're fighting for freedom.
		They love to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a godforsaken thing to even say.
		This was America.
		But there was a time when our top scientists, I mean, the top scientists, whatever you think of him, in climate, he's number one.
		And to have him muzzled, to have his words changed to the degree that it's changing the meaning that he's trying to get across to the world and to America, well, that's just not American.
unidentified		But I did read the CBS newsprint that you had on the webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		And it's very alarming.
unidentified		Ten years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know what?
		He might be being conservatives.
		What if it's six years?
		What if he is being conservative, and it's six years?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Rick from Real Linda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And that show on 60 Minutes Tonight was just phenomenal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you beginning now, sir, to see what I've been trying to say?
unidentified		Well, Art, I've been listening to your program for many, many years, and the alarm bells are starting to go off.
unidentified		I listen to the BBC World News all the time on public radio, and they're talking about it in Europe like nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		I can only say one thing about our illustrious president sitting in Oval Office right now.
unidentified		The guy's an idiot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, see, I think that's wrong to say that.
		He's not an idiot.
		He's not.
		He's a Republican.
		He's a dedicated Republican.
unidentified		He believes what the party believes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that just happens to be not what the science is.
		That's what's wrong with party politics.
		And see, the moment somebody like myself gets on the radio and does what I'm doing right now, all hell breaks loose.
		And as I told you earlier, I'm just too old to care.
		I've been doing this too long to give a damn one way or the other.
		Actually, I've been that way for years now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
		Turn your radio off if it's on.
		If not, proceed.
unidentified		Well, hello, Art.
		Hi.
		I did see the 60 Minutes program.
		By the way, this is David.
		I'm over in Southeast Virginia.
		And?
		The term censorship, in my mind, it's not quite strong enough.
		When you consider that the person who rewrote some of those specific statements was a former lobbyist for the oil industry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I believe they said that at the end of his tenure, didn't he go to work for an oil company?
unidentified		I think he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what they said, yes.
unidentified		Yes, I believe they said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you concerned?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you concerned that you just might not be getting the truth and that the planning that we should be doing because of what they say is happening, not might be happening, but is happening, that we ought to be doing something about it?
unidentified		Well, of course.
unidentified		I think that the recent past shows us that we have to take preparations of our own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		And of our own planning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But I don't think this is really new.
unidentified		you know that the stories being rewritten what we're getting is uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well No, it isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it could be, or it might be, or insufficient data, or whatever it is they added to change the meaning of the science reports.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		What kind of idiots are we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're just idiots.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, fine.
		Let the White House meddle about, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican, in things that bear on the party's welfare.
		You know, whoever sits in the White House, let them do that.
		But when they're meddling around in our world, in our future, in the future of our children, no.
		See, the editing, the redacting doesn't belong in those areas.
unidentified		It's far beyond the Nero syndrome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		Wild Carteline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		For all the people that might not think that you're being partisan with the politics involving this, I'd like to say one need only to listen to past shows where you were critical of the Clinton administration and took him to task.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, totally.
		Absolutely.
		Took him apart.
unidentified		Yes, you did.
		And I watched the show tonight, as you recommended, and I thought that it was surprising that it was a lawyer, like you said before, that was doing the editing of the NASA scientists' report.
		But I didn't find it surprising that he's now working for ExxonMobil, and that's all I had.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		Have a good evening.
		A good future.
		I don't know how many of you took my advice and watched that, but if you're not ticked off, then I don't know.
		I guess you didn't take my advice.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, there are.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
unidentified		Calling from Toronto.
unidentified		I just wanted to let you know that it wasn't on here, and we get our feed from Buffalo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
		Well, then, obviously, you can't comment on it.
		But you get the gist, right?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I turned it in specifically to watch it, and I was very disappointed not to hear it.
		It was a thing on football player, a country music singer, and I forget what else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that certainly is more important.
unidentified		No, no, it isn't.
unidentified		But it's interesting that they didn't run it up here, and they did down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they call it up there?
		Three minutes?
		Maybe four?
unidentified		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		East of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be you, yes.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from Duluth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Duluth, Minnesota.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I've listened to you forever, and I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a long time, forever.
unidentified		Well, forever is a long time, but that's okay.
		I did watch on your advice.
		I normally don't watch 60 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have been watching the climate for years because my children, they're really old now, but they laugh at me and they say, Mom, you and the weather.
unidentified		Well, I've been watching and talking about it for 20 years to them, and you are so right on, but I don't know what we can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't either.
unidentified		And I mean, I get frustrated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one thing that we could begin doing is telling the American people the truth.
unidentified		That is a first step.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is still, anyway, down here, ma'am, it's America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, that's the barest of beginnings is to tell the truth and not to lie about something that bears on the future of our own children.
unidentified		Or even some of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even some of us, yes.
unidentified		They're still going to be around in 40 years, we hope.
unidentified		Anyway, another thing about the current administration, and I don't like to call our sitting president or any president names because that doesn't get you anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
unidentified		But EPA, they had a lot of reports changed.
unidentified		And I don't know if people have followed that as far as air quality goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Changes have come out of the White House.
		It was interesting about the scientist who did quit because he disagreed, but he said, if you want to keep your job, you don't say anything.
		I thought that was an interesting point, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		All of this is potentially career-ending, you know, for these guys.
		And so you've got to respect them.
		And, you know, as he said, you don't speak out until either you retire or you get angry and you quit or, you know, something.
		Otherwise, you know, I've been trying to say this for years.
		People have families.
		They have children.
		They have income they have to have.
		So I understand.
unidentified		Right.
		And my father says sometimes, and my mother, she says, why don't people rise up like they did 200 years ago?
		And she says, Bob, they can't.
		They've got to feed their families.
		They were agriculture before they could sustain themselves.
		Now they can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So, same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of agree with Honey here, who wrote to me.
unidentified		What does Honey say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Honey said, you know, basically we need a woman in the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, that's kind of a good idea.
unidentified		Well, I think, you know, even though they say we're all equals, we do look at things a little differently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with that.
		And I really think it's time we got a woman in the White House.
		Not Hillary, for my taste, thank you, but a woman.
unidentified		Well, it would be, you know, we've had all other kinds of people.
unidentified		Why not try a woman, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's get Gina.
		Some people will understand that, all right?
		You have a good night.
unidentified		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		Good to speak with you and finally speak with you after about three and a half years or more.
		My name is Ricardo from San Francisco.
		I used to speak with you about your back all the time and other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		Yeah, and you told me I should be in front of Congress answering questions once about UFOs and actually giving an answer to their questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do UFOs here in a minute.
unidentified		On this issue, it is extremely important to go back to stories that were out initially around February 9th on this George Deutsch, the man Deutsch, who is a NASA official, and the other official, Dina Costa, who was the press secretary, when they were finally talking about James Hansen and how many other scientists have been mothballed at this point after I see stories on this issue from February.
unidentified		I've seen them from March 19th and going back to March 19th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, doesn't this stuff make you angry?
unidentified		Well, according to, I remember the quickening and what you've always talked about.
unidentified		And I've listened to you for so many years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And Linda Maltenhow, who I've spoken to on innumerable times about these issues.
		Yes.
		And it just keeps welling and welling and welling into a planetary catastrophe.
		And that's why people should really tune in and figure out what the ominous parallels are with government and censorship and the amount of what's turning this country into something other than this free republic we call America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember when I started doing a talk show long ago, and people used to make the kind of statements that you just made, and I would go, oh, come on, it may be a lot of things, but it's still America.
		Now, you know, now, I don't know, maybe that sentiment fits.
		And, man, that's one sad thing to contemplate, that, you know, it's not America, not the America we knew.
		This will chill you, I promise.
		Hold on.
		Get close to the radio.
		Turn the volume up a little bit, because coming up, I don't think you've ever, ever heard this.
		The End If
		you didn't go back and listen to the archives, about Bentwaters.
		Now, listen to me carefully.
		What you're about to hear is Rendlesham.
		Now, this is a military unit that responded, and they're out in the forest in Rendlesham, and it's obviously a military unit.
		Now, after we talked about it on the show last night, I said, my God, there's a tape of this.
		And he said, yes, oh, yes.
		And so, as I say, I take my own show seriously.
		I went on the web immediately after the program and listened.
		I went, oh, my God.
		It's like the audience has got to hear this.
		Now, the first part of it is going to be difficult to hear.
		But then it will begin to sort of clear up, and you'll get used to listening to it after a moment.
		What I'd like you to do is kind of curl around your radio and listen very carefully, because, again, you're going to hear a military unit responding to a UFO landing report, finding some physical evidence.
		And then, oh, my God, at the end, they're going to actually see them themselves.
		You're also going to hear them taking a Geiger counter reading.
		So, I mean, this is dramatic stuff.
		It's about 17 minutes.
		Here it is.
		26 years ago.
		Here's what happened.
unidentified		150 feet or more from the initial, I should say, suspected impact point.
		Heavy little lift going.
		We can't get the light all to work.
		It seems to be some kind of mechanical problem.
		Let's send it back to get another light.
		Game cover, let's take some rings.
		Together, try her in.
		Chase her on here a little bit.
		Wait for the light.
		Come on, I can't see.
		This is standing up.
		He does security contracts.
		Mark, one of the clients.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, we're now approaching the area within about 25, 30 feet.
		What kind of readings we get?
		Hey, just five foot.
		300 clicks.
		Any impressions?
		There's one.
		Are they all bigger than they are?
		Well, there's one more well.
		The security control.
		We're still getting clicks.
		Click.
		Can we read that on the scale?
		Yes, sir.
		We're now on the 510 scale.
		And we're reading about the 4th day coming.
		Okay, we're still covering it.
		It's safe here.
		We have a light on 4th day.
		That's right.
		Security.
		Can you hear those?
		It's still minor readings.
		Second.
		We can.
		Pod orientation.
		First.
		Security.
		Security.
		This one's good.
		Let's go to the third one over here.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Time to do it.
		Yes, now I'm getting some residual.
		I can read now.
		The meter is definitely giving a little pulse.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		I'm getting some.
		That's what I was going to say.
		Let's go to the center of the area next and see what kind of reading we get out there.
		Let's see.
		Yeah.
		You're reading the clicks.
		I can't hear the clicks.
		Yes, sir.
		Got them up the center, Bruce?
		Yes.
		Okay, let's go to the center.
		Yes.
		That's the best deflection needle I've seen yet.
		Okay, can you give me an estimation where I'm on the point?
		0.5 scale we're getting at uh approximately 0125 hours we're getting right at uh a half of a little rate at this point I don't see it go any higher yeah
		Okay, we'll go out toward the number one indentation.
		We first got the strongest reading.
		And similar to what we got in the center.
		About in a pot.
		This might be in a center.
		Looks like an area here, possibly.
		Could be a blast.
		It's in the center of the bottom.
		Here you gotta take your small fingers by the front.
		Here's to the Up to what, seven?
		What?
	Just jumped out the way.
	here seven tenths right here in the center we find a small blast what looks like a blasted or scrumped up area here get very positive radians see is that near the center yes it is this is what we would assume would be the dead center thinking about more as you go along to seven tenths or seven seven units it's called on the 0.5 scale okay
	Okay, why don't we do this?
	Why don't we make a sweep?
	I've got the gloves on now.
	Let's make a sweep out around the whole area, about 10 foot out and make a perimeter run around it.
	Starting right back here at the corner.
	Back at the same first corner where we came in.
	Let's go right back here.
	Don't let the pin them on you count the clicks.
	Okay, let's put the light on it and sweep around it.
	Let's try it.
	the gravity on someone it looks like an abrasion on it okay we'll push that light back let's go right back in it we've got the interest right over here.
	It looks like an abrasion point into the center to the standing area.
	It may be old though.
	There's some sat marks or something on it.
	Let's go on back around.
	Alright.
	So it gives an extension on there.
	Yeah, this is an awkward thing to use, isn't it?
	Let's see how it's carried on my ears.
	Are we getting any further?
	I'm going to shut the recorder off before we find something.
	Picking up?
	What are we up to?
	We're up to two or three units.
	Deflection, you're getting in close to one point.
	Picking up something.
	Picking up.
	Okay, it's still not going above three or four units.
	Picking up more of more bridgewood.
	Yes, you're staying steady up around two to three to four units now.
	Yeah.
	Each one of these trees that face into the blast, what we assume is a landing site, all have an abrasion facing in the same direction towards the center.
	Let's go around the circle here.
	Turn it back down here.
	Pick it up in the collection.
	You're right about the abrasion.
	I've never seen a tree that's ever seen a point, but damage reactor.
	We've got a sample bottle.
	We'll just ask for the soil and put the panel.
	Yeah, here, a sicker substrate.
	Okay, well, let's identify that as point number one.
	That stayed there.
	So you all know where it is, but we have to sketch it.
	You got that setting, Neville?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	Close this to the wood bridge base.
	Be point one.
	Be point one.
	Let's go clockwise from there.
	Point two.
	Point two.
	So this tree is between point two and a half.
	Two other personnel with quantity.
	You'll find them on the key location.
	Don't want them out there right now.
	Okay, the sample, you're going to mark this sample number one.
	Yes.
	Have them cut it off and include some of that sap and all, is between indentation two and three on a pine tree about five feet away, about three and a half feet off the ground.
	There's a round abrasion on the tree about three and a half, four inches in diameter.
	It looks like it might be old, but strange is a crystalline pine sap that's come out that fast.
	You see there's other trees here that are damaged in a similar fashion.
	Why don't you take a picture of that and remember your picture and you ought to be writing this down?
	What's going to be on the tape?
	Got a tape measure with you.
	This is the picture.
	Your first picture will be of the first tree.
	The one between Mark 2 and 3.
	Meantime, I'm going to look at a couple of these trees over here.
	Are you going to be rings on the tree you're taking samples from on the side facing the suspected landing site?
	Four clicks max.
	Up to four.
	Interesting.
	That's right where you're taking the sample now.
	Four.
	That's the strongest point on the tree?
	Yes, sir.
	If you come to the back, there's no clicks whatsoever.
	No clicks at all on the back.
	It's all on the back.
	Maybe one.
	Interesting.
	The annotations look like something twisted as it got, you know, as it sat down on them.
	Looks like someone took something and sat it down and twisted it from side to side.
	Very strange.
	We're looking at the same tree we took the sample off with this, what do you call it, star scope?
	Uh-huh.
	Starscrew.
	Getting a definite heat reflection off the tree of about three or four feet off the ground.
	Yes, where the spot is.
	Same place on the spot as we're getting a heat spot on the tree directly behind us.
	I picked up the same thing and one off to your right.
	Three trees in the area immediately adjacent to the site within ten feet of the suspected landing site.
	We're picking up heat reflection off the trees.
	What's that again?
	Shy the light out again, Bob.
	Try the light and you'll notice the white.
	Hey.
	You're right.
	Is there a white streak on the tree?
	Can we turn off this tree over here now?
	Just a second.
	Watch your director of the tree.
	I can see it.
	Baby, give me a little sideline so I climb the tree.
	Okay.
	I lost the tree.
	Okay, stop, stop.
	Light on.
	Hey, this is Erie.
	This is strange.
	Erie, somebody want to look at the spots in the ground?
	Whoops, watch it off.
	We'll walk all over.
	Okay, let's step back and not walk all over them.
	Come back here, somebody put a beam on them.
	We got to be back 10 or 15 feet.
	See it?
	Okay, lights off.
	He took this long to dock.
	What do you think about the spot?
	I see it first spot.
	Okay, that's what we call spot number three.
	Let's go to the back corner and get spot number one.
	Spot number one.
	You're spot number one right here.
	Spot number one, right here.
	Even some light?
	There it is, right there.
	Are you focused?
	Focused.
	Okay.
	You can clear out spot number one through the starlight scope.
	Slight increase in light at spot number one.
	Let's go look at spot number two.
	Spot number two is right over here.
	Right here.
	See it?
	Okay, get focused on it.
	Tell me when.
	Okay.
	Lights on.
	Let's see what we get on it.
	Slight increase.
	Just a slight increase?
	Try to center.
	Center spot.
	It'll be in the center.
	It's slightly off center.
	It's right there.
	Okay.
	I'm going to get your reading on it right there.
	Okay.
	Tell me when you're ready.
	Ready.
	Okay, lights on.
	This is the center spot we're looking at now, almost the center.
	Slight increase there.
	This is slightly off-center toward the 1-2 side.
	It's some type of abrasion or something in it around where the pine needles are all pushed back on.
	We get a high radioactive or high act reading, about deflection of 2-3, maybe 4, depending on the point of it.
	So there's a positive after effect?
	Yes, there is definitely.
	That's on the center spot.
	There is an after effect.
	What does that mean?
	Means when the lights are turned off, once we are focused in and allow time for the eyes to adjust, we are getting an indication of a heat source coming out of that center spot, which will show up on the side.
	Heat is some form of energy.
	It's hardly heat at this stage of the game.
	Looking directly overhead, one can see an opening in the trees, plus some freshly broken pine branches on the ground underneath.
	Looks like some of them came off about 15 to 20 feet up.
	Some small branches about an inch or less in diameter.
	Zero 148, we're hearing very strange sounds out of the farmers' barnyard animals.
	Very, very active, making an awful lot of noise.
	You're looking at figmentation.
	You just saw a light.
	Where?
	Right in this position here, straight ahead, in between the tree.
	There it is again.
	Watch.
	Ready to head off my flashlight there now.
	There it is.
	Hey, I see it too.
	What is it?
	We don't know, sir.
	So you have to try to get somewhere.
	Yeah, it's a strange, small red light.
	You'll see maybe a quarter to half mile, maybe further out.
	I'm going to switch off.
	The light is gone now.
	It was approximately 120 degrees throughout the site.
	Is it back again?
	Yes, sir.
	Oh, it does flashlight set.
	Let's move out to the edge of the clearing so I can get a better look at it.
	See if you can get the star scope on it.
	All right, still there, and all the barn or animals have gotten quiet now.
	Yeah, we're heading about 110 to 120 degrees from the site on through to the clearing now.
	Still getting reading on the meter.
	About two clicks.
	Here we go, three to four clicks, getting stronger.
	Now it's now coming up.
	Hold up.
	There we go.
	About approximately four foot off the ground.
	Coming setup of 110 degrees.
	I just turned the meter off.
	Got to say that again.
	About four feet off the ground, about 110 degrees, getting a reading of about four clicks.
	Yes, sir.
	See it bounced.
	Bounced down.
	I think it's something other than the ground.
	I think it's something that's something valuable.
	We have the first night bird we've seen.
	We're about 150 or 200 yards from the site.
	Everything else is just deathly calm.
	There is no doubt about it.
	There's some type of strange flashing red light ahead.
	There's yellow.
	I saw a yellow tinge in it, too.
	Weird.
	It appears to be maybe moving a little bit this way.
	Yes, it's right on half stat.
	Yellow.
	It's coming this way.
	It is definitely coming this way.
	Pieces of it are shining off.
	There is no doubt about it.
	This is weird.
	To the left.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Two lights.
	One light to the front, one light to the left.
	Keep the flashlights off.
	There's something very, very strange.
	Keep that fit on.
	See if it gets any longer.
	Okay.
	Let's get some rotation that just sits on a better reading, too.
	It's on the bay area.
	The bay field has been removed.
	Okay.
	This is a fall.
	Let's see it again.
	It just moved to the right.
	Yeah.
	Strange.
	That's quite close to the edge of the woods up there.
	Can you wanna do it out, Lates?
	Let's do it carefully.
	Come on.
	Okay, we're looking at the thing.
	We're probably about 200 to 300 yards away.
	It looks like an eye winking at you.
	It's going over from side to side.
	And when you put the styroscope on it, it sort of has a hollow sair, right?
	Dark Sair.
	Yeah, like a pupil of an eye looking at you, winking.
	And the flash is so bright to the styroscope that it almost burns your eye.
	We pass the farmer's house and across into the next field.
	Now we have multiple sightings of up to five lights with a similar shape and all, but they seem to be steady now rather than a pulsating or glow with a red flash.
	Just cross the creek.
	And we're getting what kind of readings now.
	Getting three good clicks on the meter and we're seeing strange lights in the sky.
	244, we're at the far side of the farmer's second farmer's field and made sighting again about 110 degrees.
	This looks like it's clear out to the coast.
	It's right on the horizon.
	Moves about a bit and flashes from time to time.
	Still steady arrowed in color.
	Also, after negative readings in the settler field, we're picking up slight readings, four or five clicks now on the meter.
	305, we see strange stroke-like flashes through the rubber sporadic, but there's definitely something, some kind of phenomena.
	305, at about 10 degrees horizon, directly north, we've got two strange objects, half moon shape, dancing about with colored lights on them.
	But guess to be about 5 to 10 miles out, maybe less.
	The half moons are now turning the full circles.
	So there was an elliptic eclipse or something there for a minute or two.
	Doing a 3-15 now, we've got an object about 10 degrees directly south.
	10 degrees off the horizon.
	And once it's north, they're moving.
	Once they move away from us, moving that fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a thing in the world I can add to that.
		Real as a heart attack.
		As real as a heart attack.
		That was from Lieutenant Colonel Charles Hall.
		Absolutely real.
		So, if you want to deny it, then probably you ought to be like an editor at the White House or something.
		Incredible.
		Coming up, Professor James McCanney, M.S., is a physicist who has now spent decades promoting his theoretical work showing that the solar system is ever-changing and is electrically active.
		These theories have been confirmed with space probe data and prove that there are definite Earth effects resulting from our sun's electrical activity.
		He has openly opposed NASA's view that outer space is electrically neutral.
		McCanney was a faculty member of the Physics and Mathematics Departments of Cornell University, Ithaca, New York.
		He has researched theoretical celestial mechanics and plasma physics for the layman that would be studies of planetary motion and electrified gases in outer space and has presented his theories at Los Alamos National Labs and the American Geophysical Union.
		That would certainly seem to qualify him, wouldn't it?
		James McKinney in a moment.
		This is obviously going to be interesting.
		James McCanney, welcome back to the program.
		How are you doing, James?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Good to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good to have you.
		I understand that you might want to open by talking about a couple of books.
		Your idea, not mine.
		Those books are what?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Coming Global Superstorm, which you might be a little familiar with there.
		I've heard of it.
		And then the Principia Meteologia, The Physics of Sun-Earth Weather.
		That's my latest book, which I released 2005, September on Coast to Coast.
		And we were going to talk about some Earth changes, but in a different context than what people would possibly heard before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, before we switch contexts, did you happen to catch 60 Minutes tonight?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what a shame.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I missed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee, what a shame.
		It was so very interesting about the climate.
		And there was so much.
		Well, anyway, it doesn't matter.
		You're essentially then, as a virgin, going to talk about this anyhow.
		So there is a lot going on right now with our climate.
		And finally, it's being acknowledged.
		You just think that it's coming from a different source, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are many factors.
		And one of the things that I'm starting to say is that we have to stop quibbling over some of this scientific theoretical stuff.
		And, of course, that's important.
		But I believe that global warming is inevitable.
		We're seeing it.
		We can't reverse it.
		And I think one of the biggest myths is that if somehow in 10 years we stop CO2 emissions or something, that we're going to reverse what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, James Hansen seems to think there's at least a chance.
		I don't think there's a chance that we'll actually stop.
		And whether it would make any difference or not is probably academic.
		I mean, the change is upon us, in my opinion.
		That's just my opinion.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's exactly right.
		I'm real familiar with Hansen and his work and the NAS silencing him.
		So if that's what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was all about that.
		Actually, what they showed on the program, James, was the stuff that was actually redacted, and it was not trivial.
		I mean, it changed the entire report, the power and the importance of the report, which is going to affect every single person on the planet.
		It literally changed the meaning of it, James.
		And in America, oh, that's not right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been talking about this, and of course, in the general science, space science sense, for a long time, that NASA has been controlling its scientists.
		And tonight we'll probably talk about cometary topics.
		The same issue is going on where if you don't march the party line, you don't talk, it's very controlled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you wouldn't think science, James, would be the place where there'd be party lines.
		I mean, you just, I mean, science, what is science?
		It is a search for truth, right?
		It's for facts.
		It's for absolutes.
		In science, you have absolutes.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you have experimental methods, which are tried and trued, which are not personality-dependent or bias-dependent.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you create experiments which people can duplicate elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It should be beyond politics.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Completely beyond politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But apparently not.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That butt in there is a big one.
		And it's so odd that NASA is nobody has gotten more funding to study global warming than NASA, and now they're reversing their stance on it.
		So because it's politically correct with the current regime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure they're reversing their stance.
		What's happening is their stance is getting rewritten.
		So that's not NASA's fault.
		In fact, Hansen's one brave guy, in my opinion, very brave.
		Anyway, look, let's, for a second, let's talk about comets.
		I mean, you and I have talked about comets traditionally.
		Science has thought, as astronomers have thought, they were big, dirty snowballs.
		And, you know, in all the interviews we've done over the years, James, you have maintained it ain't true.
		So, like, they sent this satellite up to capture comet dust.
		And we'll talk about the advisability of doing that in the first place.
		But they actually caught some comet dust and they brought it back, isn't that true?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the argument should be over.
		Because we've got actual comet stuff.
		Right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		They should have found water and little dust particles and things that formed in the coldest environment.
		And that's not what they found.
		In fact, I get input from people, many who are not scientists.
		And one of the most interesting was that somebody was reading this and said, you know, they never talked about finding any water or any ice particles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of people in the audience don't know, and I'm included, what the hell did they find?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, they found what are known as CAIs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are those?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Those are calcium, aluminum, and what are the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		calcium and aluminum?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they are formed under extreme high temperatures, and then they found other materials that were...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, most of the time, if you boil water, usually you don't get aluminum.
unidentified		Do you?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No, in a composite form with other materials.
		So these are little like pebbles, micro pebbles of minerals.
		Pebbles that you would find, for example, in a volcanic area or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it still doesn't sound like water.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No, and it doesn't sound like dust.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And they know that this did not form in a cold environment of outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did they say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was water there, but it evaporated.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's the thing also, that in taking photographs of these comet nuclei, they've been next to Halley's nucleus back in 86.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		They thought it would be white and snowy and very little dust, and it turns out to be the blackest object in the solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Son of a gun.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And Comet Bills, which is the one that Stardust, the Stardust mission went by.
		And then Comet Borali, they've photographed that one.
		And then now the Comet Temple 1, which they actually crashed into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, if this actually came from the White House, it would have said might have gone by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Conceivably could have gone by.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And we believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's still sufficient doubt about whether it actually went by.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Even though we have photos, we can deny them at a later date.
		So it's amazing they have, in fact, the point is they haven't found any water or ice of any kind on a comet nucleus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that embarrassing?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, they found it in the tail, so they keep saying, well, it's got to be coming from the nucleus.
		And what I keep saying is, no, it's being pulled into the nucleus, and these small comets are too warm to maintain it, so that water just gets funneled back out into the comet tail region in the form of neutrals.
		And that's a term, a cometary science term, for a neutral atom or molecule that is then flowing back out in the solar wind.
		So it's kind of a cycling process.
		But when they crashed into Temple 1 this past July 4th, a couple things.
		The entire surface, well, out of the exploded area of the crater, they found chemicals and organic chemicals and other types of dust and other materials, but no water.
		And they were expecting that the water must be just right under the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question, James.
		Sorry to interrupt.
		I'm just curious.
		They advertised this ahead of time as a big July 4th.
		You might even see it with your own eyes kind of deal.
		I guess they figured they were going to crash into the snowball and split it into 50 million pieces, and there was going to be this incredible sky show that people on Earth could see.
		Well, that didn't seem to happen.
		does that give credence to what you're saying?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		They did have a pretty good plume of material coming out of the crater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was fair.
		I mean, the spacecraft there that was taking the photographs, that was impressive, but it wasn't visible from Earth.
		It wasn't that big.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, the most powerful telescopes could see a brightening, but then again, they saw brightenings the day before also when nothing was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So it seems to me that kind of bears on your case a little bit.
		In other words, the magnitude or the lack of it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And the spectrometer data was finally released just about a month ago from the deep impact.
		In fact, George and Richard Hoagland and myself were on July 4th waiting for this data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And we're all with our jaws on the ground when NASA said, well, we're not going to release the spectrometer data, which is the most important data because that tells you the composition, the temperature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, why did they not release that?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, we now know why, because at first they said, well, we don't know if it was pointed in the right direction.
		Well, we already knew something was amiss.
		And of course it was pointed in the right direction because it points based on the cameras and they had all the photographic imagery.
		So why would the spectrometer not be pointed at some data?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, actually, maybe it was pointed at somebody's career.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, they, of course, had to wait for the proper way to release the data.
		And this is somewhat like Hansen and his greenhouse data.
		But ultimately, when it was released, the comet nucleus was too hot to support water.
		And they actually had to make that statement that the temperature of the nucleus in outer space was so hot that water in any form could not exist on that nucleus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, that seems like a smoking gun?
		Well, it seems like something a choking gun is what I'd call it.
		I mean, didn't they choke when they had to say that?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		And then the spectrometer data, which actually got to view the whole nucleus over the course of the passage, was able to identify, It examined the entire surface.
		Only 25 one-thousandths of 1% of the nucleus, that's a small amount, had any trace of water at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And so, just to give perspective, of the 45 square miles of surface area of this comet nucleus of Temple 1, only about six football fields in size had any trace of water at all.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And that was just a trace which was mixed in with some surface dust, and it was not belching out and forming the tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, James, doesn't this explode some careers?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, this past month, much to my surprise, I was walking by a TV monitor, and the History Channel was airing a TV show, a special just made, called Comets, Prophets of Doom, where all the NASA entourage of comet scientists were on telling how this explained the dirty snowball comet model.
		And I thought, now I hadn't heard that term for about two years in the media.
		They were talking about these icy bodies and on and on, but they never used that term.
		And all of a sudden, out of the woodwork came that special.
		Then the Thursday morning after, the BBC released an article on this stardust result called Comets Are Born of Fire and Ice.
		And that got wide coverage.
		And it came from the LA Times.
		It was reprinted in all the national newspapers explaining these icy objects from the distant solar system also have some hot stuff in them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you objectively tell me how they made their argument based on the data we just talked about that they are indeed dirty snowballs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they do that, James?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, they said it's a mystery, and they decided that there is something called the X-Wind, which they didn't believe in before, that somehow this X-Wind, I'm not sure why they didn't call it the Z-Wind or the Y-Wind, but supposedly they...
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, why, why?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Why got better?
		But they claimed that possibly early in the formation of the solar system, that these particles were formed near our Sun or possibly another one, and then catapulted out to where they formed with the comets.
		And so now we have a formed over here, flew over there, and it kind of rings of what they criticized Velikovsky for, for that stuff that just kind of flew around the solar system with no physical means of support, visible means of support, so to speak.
		And also with these, they've talked about Z winds and X winds and a thing called the T Tauri wind, which they believed was a high gaseous wind coming off the protostar early in the formation of the solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like there was a lot of gaseous wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No art.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's trying to help you.
		Yes, yes.
		I appreciate that.
		But it's really, the big question now to me is why are they riding this extinct dinosaur and bringing it back?
		That is the big question.
		We've talked about this before in the air.
		Why are the...
		I felt there was plenty of data at that time to conclusively say that the dirty snowball comet model couldn't possibly be true.
		And now we have all of this piled on top of it, and they are still sticking to their story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is science, which should be a seeker of facts and a reviser when necessary, of data, you know, admitting that, well, okay, here's the truth, because science is the search for truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, what's going on here, Jay?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's bizarre.
		That's the only word I can put on it.
		And what I find amazing also is in this Comets, Prophets of Doom two-hour special on the History Channel, all of these scientists have put their John Henry on this model.
		And for posterity, this is after all the data's in.
		And so, you know, in 100, 200 years, when the pendulum finally swings the other way and people figure out that the moon is not made out of green cheese, these people all have their face and name and, you know, all chatting about the dirty snowball comet model and how it's been confirmed.
		And, you know, so I wouldn't want to be personally in that position for all of the notoriety and fame and free vacations that these scientists get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, James McKenney.
		Welcome back, James.
		Thinkerwire.
		So then, comets are not at all what they're suggesting, but you would describe them not as purely.
		How would you describe them as what?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the term I use is the plasma discharge comet model.
		And what that means is that comets are basically any rock or item.
		It could be a microscopic piece of material.
		It could be something the size of Jupiter.
		And in fact, all the planets are discharging what I call the solar capacitor.
		And objects in elliptical orbits discharge the solar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stop.
		I want to understand that.
		Discharging the solar capacitor.
		Comets are doing that.
		Planets are doing that.
		Discharging the solar capacitor.
		Do you mean our sun?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the sun, it turns out, puts out an excess of positive current, Primarily in the way of protons and ions, pushing out in the solar wind, and it forms a capacitor that is far beyond Pluto, with the positive side being out there and the negative, the relative negative sun in the center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we have this big solar wind that whips by and causes solar storms and all that stuff.
		So yeah, that's true.
		the sun does that now.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		What are you saying though that comets And it's kind of like that backyard bug zapper that people see when the bug flies in between the grid plates.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The electrical discharge occurs in the path of the bug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so in our case, we're thinking of the bug as the comet, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		As any object in that path.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And so when an object comes in or is in an elliptical orbit, it's cutting down through the potential gradient of that electric field and discharges it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any validity then, in your opinion, you know, to the fact that comets are regarded as sort of prophets of doom and of change and of, you know, it's a very, very old, I mean, people would look and see comets and they'd go, oh, my God, something big is going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a practical reason for that old, well, I don't want to say myth.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, in fact, it is a myth, and a lot of our mythology of the ancient Greeks comes down from the fact that the planets were fighting, and that's what Velikovsky is all about, that he wrote about what the ancients saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, except that I'm saying maybe, you know, maybe it isn't really a myth.
		No.
		A myth is just sort of an old thing that was said.
		But I mean, it has reason to be said, right?
		And what is that reason?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the reason is because we have not in historic or scientific times seen these big comets.
		So scientists deny that they could exist.
		Yet ancient history and every ancient text that I see talks about comets.
		The legends from around the world all talk about the comets, and they have various names for them.
		The Zephyr, the thunderbolt down in your neck of the woods there, and the Egyptians had theirs.
		The Quetzalcoatl is the Mayan Inca and Aztec version of the plumed serpent, god of the night sky.
		And the Mayans talk about a specific one, Quetzalcoatl, whose heart eventually became the planet Venus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And so the whole issue here is, number one, comets are not dirty snowballs.
		They are a plasma discharge of this solar capacitor.
		And the big ones, if captured properly, and this is not a normal, a frequent event to create a moon or a planet, but it can happen.
		And statistically, over the course of the solar system, we only have nine planets, so clearly it's not something that happens every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, for example, I interviewed the Hopi, the Hopi elders, and they firmly believe that in the past comets have been portenders of change, and that, in fact, when they look into the future, James, they see comets coming and then monstrous earth changes occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they have a basis in reality for believing this, James, is what I'm getting at again?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go, folks.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Once again, it comes down from all the nations of the world.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		In fact, just looking at the fact that we have this segmented population of races, we would call them, of people from all over the world who obviously many were in communication at one time with other parts of the world, and there were vast worldwide civilizations at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there had to be, James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, how would you have these pyramids all over the globe?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you find pyramids in Tikal or whatever that are just like the ones in all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the world was, you can't just skip by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The world was in communication.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything we thought about the old world has got to be wrong.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The whole evolution of man, the story that they came out of the cradle of civilization and somehow walked around the Bering Strait and then came down and populated the South American continent is it just can't be true.
		There are cities they're unearthing right now in Peru along the coastline that they believe housed about 40 million people, some of the cities.
		And they're simply gone.
		There's no trace of a bone, very few potsherds, but very advanced.
		What they do find is very exquisite artwork, but simply gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		40 million people.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Living in a city along the west coast of what is now Peru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
		Try and explain to me, James, if you can.
		I've always wanted to know how a civilization, for example, ours right now, could in, I don't know, less than a million years, certainly, just disappear and not leave really a trace.
		I mean, just nothing.
		I mean, you've got to explain that because you're saying it happened.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And what happened was a vast ocean wave, which they also talk about, that Quetzalcoatl took the ocean up on his back and brought it over the land, which are the vast tidal waves generated by the large gravitational wave when one of these objects comes by.
		And, you know, there have been events in the past where Earth has been hit by things, but in most of the cases, these objects come by and they do a great deal of damage without hitting directly.
		I call it action at a distance.
		We have the mountain building, the terrors in the planetary surface.
		The ancients are very clear that Mars at one time was a blue planet, was a water planet, and it was relieved of its atmosphere and oceans by one of the large comets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entire oceans and a whole atmosphere just gone.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Gone.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And they could see it, and that's one of the reasons they talk about the snake image, because as that extension, that plasma extension came off, the comet coming by reached out and grabbed Mars, it looked like a snake because the auroras around the planet looked like the snake's mouth as the serpent had the planet in its grasp, and they could see it go from a blue planet to the red planet we see today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here we have this red planet beginning to yield signs of underground water.
		Some of the most puzzling photographs have come back from Mars.
		I mean, photographs showing erosion and where great amounts of water had been running.
		And so here we sit on Earth on our nice little green and blue planet, just beautiful, sparkling.
		And you've got to think, folks, it happened to Mars.
		They had oceans.
		They had atmosphere.
		And it was gone.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has that happened here?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it actually probably has happened on Earth in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, if it happened now, could it happen now?
		Just if it did happen now, would we all have time to say, damn?
		Or, you know, if it happened, how much time would we have?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, these things happen very quickly because the exchange, the encounter lasts, the direct encounter lasts probably less than a month as these things move in proximity in outer space.
		And it turns out that we did have two encounters with that same comet, according to the legends, the Quetzal-Coaddle, or Venus comet, what Velikovsky calls the Venus comet.
		And we were bigger.
		Our gravitational, our surface gravity of Earth is larger than that of Venus.
		And oddly enough, the surface gravity of Venus is greater than that of Mars.
		So in the tug of war over Mars's atmosphere, Venus won, and in the tug of war over atmospheres when Venus came by Earth, Earth won.
		And we had a large pollution event.
		They talk about the rain of Naphtha, the black blood that came from the sky, some of it burning as the brimstone and hail of brimstone and fire came in.
		This is in all of the old texts, in the legends and the Hopi elders.
		They all talk about this.
		They talk about the severe winds.
		And so, like in my weather book, I have a chapter on biblical weather.
		And I've learned a lot just from studying what the ancients went through and understanding that our weather is driven by electrical currents of electrical activity in the solar system and not by just the warmth of the sun from solar light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be part of what somebody would call, no doubt, a cycle.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And these are not frequent events.
		So if somebody says, well, is it going to happen soon, unless you see one of these coming, then there's no way to predict if it'll be this week or in 100 years or there really isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what, James?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like biblical weather is coming.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And your book clearly had an impression on a few people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A few.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The movie was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The day after tomorrow.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And it certainly rose the awareness of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		certainly did and uh...
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		though what i keep saying to is that uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		we can somewhat Who?
		Rush.
		Boy, I tell you, he just loved that movie.
		Man, he talked about it every day for a while.
		Anyway, go ahead, James.
		I'm sorry.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the point is we can maybe have some differences on theoretical about this or that or what may cause it, but we're in a very dynamic changing solar system.
		The electrical nature, that's what I keep harping on, is the meteorologists don't have a handle on the electrical component of this weather system.
		But be that as it may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, they don't have much of a grasp of their own science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how accurate is weather forecasting?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's the problem.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		If you had all the factors and the best supercomputers in the world, you'd probably do a little better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's great.
		It's where you can be wrong most of the time and still draw your paycheck and smile.
		It's a good job.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That's a good job.
		I want that job.
		But what we're seeing, what I believe is happening, is that what I keep talking about is the many Planet X objects.
		We talked about this term Planet X. Yes.
		And that's been a huge mess of misinformation and all kinds of things.
		But there are objects out there that we don't know much about.
		They're discovering new planets all the time.
		And we have many.
		I just gave a little lecture about a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I stop you again for a second?
		You know, Planet X is irresistible to ask about.
		and so here's my question james if there was a dark planet out there by that i mean Honestly, can you tell me about when you think our astronomers, amateur or pro, would detect the fact that, oh my God, look, something planetary in size is headed toward us, but it's dark.
		How quickly would they catch that, James?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, take our moon, for example, which looks white and very bright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		If you went up to the surface of the moon, it would be extremely black.
		So it's a good example of something that is a good absorber of light yet looks very bright.
		The problem with these objects, when they come in the outer solar system, when they would be very faint and maybe just The best telescopes would start to pick them up.
		First of all, you have to be looking in the right direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's important.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But second of all, immediately they start to discharge the solar capacitor and they become enshrouded in a cloud of dust and gas.
		And that blocks the sunlight from reaching them.
		And NASA has actually built a telescope.
		I understand the funding has been canceled now.
		But it was to look for large diffuse clouds of gases and dust at the far reaches of the solar system, which would encapsulate one of these objects.
		And so in the background, I believe they are very much in agreement with what I've been talking about, because they're actually building the equipment to go out and look for these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what if we found one that was headed more or less toward us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And of course, that would be the hardest to see, I suppose, you know, headed more or less right at us.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And in fact, it actually happened in the 90s.
		You remember Hailbop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
		But I'm talking about Hailbop is big, but I'm talking about something humongous.
		Planetary size.
		Let's stick with Planet X for a second.
		If there were one headed that was going to make a close pass, enough to do Earth-changing, devastating type events to us, I'm just asking how quickly we would find it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would certainly rear its ugly head once it got into, say, around the region of Pluto.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It would become a large comet, and at that point, mostly everybody would probably see it.
unidentified		Okay.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you would see this thing up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'd have how long?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you mean before we realized it coming even closer to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by the time everybody noticed it, we would have how long before it did its thing by us?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It could be a number of years.
		And it depends on its orbits.
		The orbits are strange things.
		Now, when the Quetzalcoatl Venus comet was captured by Jupiter, according to the legends and what we can put together, it was captured by Jupiter, and that's when they first noticed that Venus was born of Jupiter, the old mythology of where Venus came from.
		And it was probably 600 years before it migrated in and circularized and spiraled in, so to speak, to where it came in through Mars and then towards Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'm still stuck back on years.
		You said it could be years.
		So, in other words, the human race could find out that here comes this thing that's going to pass very close to Earth, probably causing an extinction of life on Earth.
		My next question is, something of that size, planetary size, James, what would be the chances of our diverting it?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We would have zero chance of diverting it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		These are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we would have several years of notice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be a party unlike anybody has ever seen that would go on for that many years.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But the other possibility is this thing would be coming in at some kind of a super speed, and we might not detect it until maybe weeks before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Short party.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Short party.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Short spring break there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think the Earth's population would react to an inevitable, absolute extinction, unavoidable event?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It would be pretty bonkers, I believe.
		I think it would just go crazy.
		And see, this is why I think they keep promoting this iceball charade, is so that when something appears up there in the form of a comet, they'll just go, oh, that's one of those little iceball things.
		Don't worry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, do you think they would conclude, James, that the result of such an inevitable absolute announcement would, I don't know, it would cause such disruption as to not be actually worth telling the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So an extinction-level event would be kept secret as long as until it happened.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The only thing we know is that the people, there are a lot of people preparing for such events, and they have cave cities and well-stocked.
		And somebody's been doing a lot of preparing, including NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology My guest is James McCanney, and he's just causing all kinds of trouble.
		So, you know, I wasn't ready for that answer, James.
		You know, you say it as though with some conviction, like, they know something's coming or they're just being prudent or what?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, we saw this machine.
		It was actually the bit of the drilling, the tunnel drilling device.
		It came into Duluth, Minnesota on an airport, on an aircraft that was the only one in the world that could carry it.
		It was a Russian-built.
		It had six engines.
		It looked like a pregnant 747.
		And then this was trucked down to Texas, and they wanted to keep it rather quiet, but it's hard to keep something like that quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're confusing me.
		What is this?
		So they're going to build a giant tunnel where they plan to run from Houston and Florida and everywhere and go down into the tunnel when this happens?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was, yeah, I mean, this is a tunnel drilling bit.
		And so this had to go on a very large tunnel drilling machine.
		And I suspect they were going to use it.
		It's not on display in a museum somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they'll save NASA and save their families?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I suspect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they going to let you in?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't gotten my pass yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably not, huh?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No.
		But I wouldn't personally want to be in a cave myself.
		When one of these starts rocking and rolling, the earth is going to fissure and fracture, and a cave underground is not the place to be.
		I mean, being up here is not going to be great, but I wouldn't want to be more than a couple shovelfuls of dirt away from the surface.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would a couple of shovelfuls help you either?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the ancients talk about being in caves.
		And so because of the wind and the rain and the severe conditions above ground.
		But there are also, I've heard tales where people survived by laying in just in surface regions.
		So the bottom line is with one of these, there are no, I know people have published like safe area maps and all kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And there is no such thing as a safe area.
		If you're like at the World Trade Towers, some guy was standing in the middle of the down, right in the lobby downstairs, and he was blown out the doors two blocks away and got up and was uninjured.
		You know, I mean, it's a chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, all right.
		There was this special on the Discovery Channel not very long ago.
		I'm a real devotee of the Discovery Channel.
		And they showed what would happen if something the size of the rock that killed the dinosaurs, supposedly, were to hit Earth's atmosphere.
		And what actually happens, James, is that the atmosphere boils.
		The oceans actually boil completely out of their beds.
		And that water is taken up into the atmosphere.
		And then fire spreads around the Earth, igniting sort of the atmosphere, and the temperature on the surface of the Earth approaches that of the sun, or something like that.
		It was a recent documentary, and it would erase all life down to the microbial level.
		In fact, down into the Earth quite a long way, and there would only be a sort of a small area between the heat in the center of the Earth and the heat that had been coming from the surface where microbial life could survive to one day emerge and repopulate Earth with life.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've seen mass extinctions many times on this planet.
		And we have, for example, salt beds from ancient oceans that are miles underground.
		So clearly, something has happened to this rock here many times in the past.
		We find the dinosaur beds out in Montana, Wyoming, that area, and other parts of the planet that used to be lush tropical fern forests and now are just the driest, most barren place on the planet.
		So clearly there have been some changes.
		And something hitting Earth is one option, but I don't think it's the only one or probably the most frequent one.
		I think these large objects coming through the solar system, the other thing they can do by igniting or discharging the solar capacitors, there's a lot of energy stored there, electrical energy.
		And we've seen comets come by the Sun before where they snap an electrical discharge off to the Sun and boom, out comes a big flare.
		So comets can discharge the surface fusion in the Sun and cause other conditions so they don't even have to come near Earth to cause some very severe conditions on Earth and the other planets.
		So there's a whole myriad of things that could happen to the solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so if you were in charge, instead of being who you are, if you were in some high government position and you actually had to make a decision about whether to tell the people that something like an ELE is coming or to keep your mouth shut, what would you do?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have developed what I call mega projects.
		And one of them is to, actually a number of them are to deal with this where you have small population centers all over the planet which are locally prepared.
		It's not like FEMA can come out of Washington and help everybody in the country if something major happens.
		But this would have to be handled at a local level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they had a hard time with just New Orleans.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole country is going to be a big problem.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole world.
		So you have to get people locally to become agrarian.
		So if they survive, they can come through this and come out the other end.
		But one of the things I say about people moving into caves is that what are they going to do when they come out of their cave?
		Eventually, all their food's going to run out, and they're going to have to come out and plant a garden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, but you're talking about a kneal, which would be a near extinction-level event.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, some people would live, but I mean, according to what I saw, there's a very strong possibility that not even bacteria would survive.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And the other one of my, what I call mega projects is to develop space colonies, which literally, I've developed a process for doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get off the planet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Get off the planet, and there are certain people who would go for this.
		And a colony would probably be, I talk about launching tubes, large carbon fiber tubes with a rocket.
		I talked about the water rockets that the Russians used back in the late 80s, early 90s.
		They were a nuclear-powered water rocket.
		And they were a steam rocket, basically.
		But they could get these things into orbit.
		But launch the tubes, strap them together, build a city, much like the 2001 Space Odyssey rotating tire-like or wheel-like city, and then spin these off away from Earth and have them around the solar system.
		Also, they would need electromagnetic shielding because the comets, when they come through, are going to be zapping everything in sight electrically.
		So you would need shunts and bypass circuitry so these electric currents would not damage the...
		Well, maybe.
		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what would the human race do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there would probably be no chance now to reach another habitable planet, so the new home would have to be space itself, wouldn't it?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And that's part of the whole plan of habitating space rather than waiting 20 years to send one guy to the moon.
		I think our space program is marching completely down the wrong road.
		We need more science.
		I know all the science guys at NASA don't like me, but that's okay.
		I think we need a lot more science where we're really discovering what's out there.
		And we need a Russian type of space program, manned space program, where we learn how to live in space and actually live out there.
		We can't be sending Tang and McDonald's hamburgers out in little packages from Earth.
		These people have to sustain themselves out there long term.
		So all of this would be a space program that I would want to see developed.
		I always said that the Chinese are probably the closest to having such a space program because they've got an overabundance of people.
		They're starting to become spacefaring.
		And it just takes that one little kind of change in thought where we're not just going to send one guy to orbit the Earth.
		We're going to send 500,000 people up there.
		And just like the pioneers that came across and covered wagons, they didn't know how they were going to survive, but they did.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be worth a shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if it was actually either that or the true end of this version of the human race.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carefully chosen words there.
		Right.
		I'd love to see him give it a shot.
		But, you know, we're nowhere near that technology right now, are we?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we started today, or unfortunately, if we would have started 30 years ago on a program to really live in space instead of sending onesie-twosies up there.
		Yeah, you got a point.
		And I've always said that our space program has been a way for corporations to make money, not to go into space.
		And I think that's very close to accurate.
		But we have to change this whole concept of going into space.
		And I kind of liken it to the surfboard industry, where these guys go out there and get on a surfboard and learn how to ride the waves.
		And nobody taught them.
		There was no surfboard school.
		They just went and did it.
		And that's the way I see outer space also.
		And you kind of see this in the entrepreneurial spirit with Branson and the little bit of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's not at a scale that I'm happy with.
		We should all be doing it through government.
		This is one.
		I don't like government in much of anything, but in terms of the space program, really only a government has the capacity and the means to do it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It's really true.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		So if it becomes misdirected, then everybody loses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the kind of scale that we're talking about here, certainly that would be true.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Oh, absolutely.
		And it really is a vast project, kind of like building a dam system or a hydroelectric power system and, say, a grid system.
		All of these things were managed from works projects from the government.
		And certainly these mega-projects are the same type of thing.
		The only problem that I see is that every time something gets in the government, it becomes profiteering.
		And who gets the money and the contract?
		And, you know, it fails for that reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Catholic Church, Rome, actually, from Rome, they've got this observatory down in Arizona that they blew right through all kinds of environmental obstacles just magically.
		I guess they can do that from Rome.
		And they got this observatory built.
		And I always wondered what the hell they were, you know, what the heck they were looking for.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Well, that telescope is very interesting.
		In fact, there was a picture of it taken by an astronomer who worked there.
		It was put on coast to coast within the last six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think they're looking for?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, comets, very specifically.
		That telescope was designed to look for comets.
		And it was built during the Hale-bop era.
		And you remember a guy named Malachi Martin who said that one of his statements was the Vatican wanted to know if Hale-Bop was wormwood.
		And I know personally some of the astronomers who were hired to staff that facility because they came from the University of Minnesota and they were comet scientists.
		A comet telescope is very different from any other brand of telescope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what manner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we identify that difference?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, most telescopes look at planets or galaxies or little things that are somewhat bright far away.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		A comet is wide, covers a wide area of the sky.
unidentified		It's very diffuse, low light level.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The tracking is totally different because a comet does not follow planetary or sedereal, any other type of orbits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what?
		You use some version of a very wide angle lens.
		You're looking at a very great deal of the sky, and that defines a telescope looking for a comet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so you're not trying to get down to one little pinpoint.
		You're trying to get this vast area of the sky, and plus you have spectral analysis points in many areas of your photographic array of the C C D. So you have the equipment is totally, totally, totally different than anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then we know they're looking for comets.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		They're looking for comets.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Now, what is the Vatican's interest in comets?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was going to be my question.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we know.
		They are very much looking for these objects that could be of historical record importance.
		And they know also that there's not just one of these, that there are many.
		And that's what I keep talking about, is that the many Planet X objects.
		There's not just one of these.
		There could be some out there, these dark objects, as you were calling them, that come back every million years or 300,000 years.
		And how would we have a history of any of this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but from our point of view as humans, it would only take one.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		And there's probably, we've seen comets come through the solar system that are pretty amazing.
		What was it, 1886 had the Great Comet.
		They called it.
		It was seen over Europe, et cetera.
		The ancients talk about these.
		When you see one of these big comets raging from one end of the sky to the other in the daylight sky, everybody's going to know that that ain't no little snowball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask maybe a dumb question?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we think, I guess we've been observing the sky truly scientifically for a relatively short amount of time, actually.
		But we think we have all these things identified.
		But see, space lives in millions and billions and trillions of years while we've only been observing for a little while.
		So I guess what I'm saying is we don't have all of these comets categorized.
		And what are the chances that one that we haven't heard about before suddenly appears and starts to grow larger and larger, basically headed in our direction?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it appears that that's what happened to the ancients, and they saw that, and it's going to happen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what I'm saying is we haven't seen them all come by.
		We don't have them all categorized at all.
		This is like a constant sort of barrage, and so it's not predictable, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and what is amazing is why astronomers are so adamant about denying that this could ever happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't get it.
		I mean, there are some that are in relatively short orbits, I guess, that bring them back around that we know about those.
		But then there's some in very long ones that we don't know a thing about yet, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the object Sedna is in an orbit which brings it the closest distance is three times the distance to Pluto, and then it goes out to something like 87 times the distance to Pluto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about a complete intruder, though.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But that's just an example.
		And what's the probability that when we found Sedna, that's the only one out there, you know, or that's the biggest one, or it's the smallest one.
		If you look at the statistics of, I call it the size distribution of objects, we have grain-sized stuff in the solar system and asteroids and moons and planets.
		And the bigger you get, the fewer there are.
		But outside there, that's exactly right.
		We don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is a rogue planet possible?
		A total rogue planet?
		And by that I mean not captured by any sun or not captured by anything, but rather as a rogue traveling through the universe.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, supposedly NASA has discovered some of these.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And it was actually Frank Drake took this information, the Drake equation, which deals with the statistical probability of life in the universe, and they updated that equation a number of years ago based on that fact, that they were finding these rogue planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last hour, we normally reserve and will this time for people to ask questions, but we've got so much material to get through.
		James, welcome back.
		Hi, Art.
		You know, I highlighted where you wrote about Yellowstone in here.
		There's a lot of people, James, concerned about Yellowstone and think something's going on there.
		What's going on there?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, interestingly enough, about two weeks ago, I believe it was in Nature, the journal, geologist from the USGS wrote finally an article saying that, gee, the mound had risen.
		And of course, they had begun measuring this in 1996, I believe.
		There was a woman out there, and she was just monitoring the lake, and it was rising.
		And almost like the Hansen event, they kind of muffled this for some time.
		They did.
		And finally, they posted an article just rather casually saying that, yeah, it's risen and they're looking at it, and they don't know anything about it, and other than there it is.
		But the reality is that the lake at Yellowstone has been poisoned up until, oh, a few years ago, there were fish in it, and they're all dead, and the bison who would roam around the lake, it's a dead lake now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I've got to fall back again on discovery.
		I depend on them.
		And, you know, they had this really cool show.
		Maybe you saw it.
		And it showed what would happen if an event at Yellowstone like one that has occurred there before were to happen.
		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my God.
		It's like an ELE almost.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I was driving through eastern Nebraska one time, and I picked up a brochure, and it's this dinosaur bed that they discovered of ash, where the dinosaurs are simply buried in ash.
		And there's no volcanoes in eastern Nebraska.
		So it took them a long time to figure out what volcano was responsible for this ash bed that buried these dinosaurs.
		And it turns out that it was one of the sister volcanoes of the big one that's at Yellowstone.
		This one was actually, I believe, in Wyoming, probably 500 miles away.
		And it just showed, first of all, the pyroclastic blast that comes off of these probably killed the dinosaurs in that area first.
		And then as they laid down, the ash fell on top of them and basically encapsulated them, dried them out so they were perfectly preserved up to today, millions, hundreds, you know, what, 50 million years later.
		But the big caldera in Yellowstone has gone off in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what the average person, I guess, wants to know is, I mean, I remember when the volcano in the northwest went bulge and Very little warning, and then kaboom, off she went.
		How much do we know about the caldera there at Yellowstone?
		And in other words, how much bulging can it take?
		Does anybody know before it goes kaboom?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing.
		They just simply don't know.
		And of course, geologists always take the conservative.
		It's kind of like the Planet X thing.
		They don't want to say anything that alarms the public, and that's a general policy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if I want to be alarmed, but I do want to know the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so the truth is they really don't know, or they don't want to tell us.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Volcanoes are hard to predict.
		And like I'm monitoring one right now in the Popo Catepitol, which is outside of Mexico City.
		And it could just go wham someday.
		Typically, though, they'll go in rhythms and they'll start almost like a birthing process where they start in a rhythm and then it gets the patterns get shorter and all of a sudden then you start getting the rumbling under the volcano and then it goes.
		But they don't always do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think of Coke cans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you pick up a Coke can and it's all bloated out, well, you just know if you pop the top on that, you're going to get drenched, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's like the bloated out Coke can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, and I'm just wondering, there must be somebody who has measurements who can tell us, look, it has this much stress right now, and if it gets that much, it's going to blow up.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's different kinds of blowing up.
		There's the shield volcanoes, which just ooze, like the Hawaiian Pacific volcanoes.
		Good point.
		But this one, according to the USGS own numbers, is overdue by about a few hundred thousand years to go off.
		But there are two major things that cause volcanoes to blow.
		One is sulfur, high sulfur content.
		We know that the Yellowstone Basin has a very high sulfur content.
		The other thing that makes them go off the top is water.
		And that's one of the mega projects that I've defined that the Earth really needs.
		We have to drain the water out of the basin in the caldera at Yellowstone.
		Because if you took that amount of water and turned it into steam, if that were to drain down into a fissure, we know that when that bulge is occurring, it's not due to lava, it's due to gases.
		So if that were to break and the lake would fall down into that chasm and hit the magma and blow, and you turn, you know what steam will do, it would be one of the largest volcanoes the Earth has ever seen in any kind of geological history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for the states adjacent to this event?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wouldn't last long because the steam and the just how fast that would turn to steam and blow the material all over the place, it would just be a huge mess.
		So we can't do anything about the sulfur content.
		That's locked in the ground.
		But what we can do is drain that water out of there.
		And there's a natural path out the southeast arm of the lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they drain the water, you think that will at least prevent the steam part of it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And the other part of it is the lake is becoming poisoned.
		So you want to get that water out of there while it's still relatively fresh water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if they started draining that lake, don't you think that reporters would say, hey, why are you draining that lake?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would have to be something that moving water is a big issue.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But once it becomes poisoned and obviously dead, in a few year period, you have a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, again, wouldn't reporters say, hey, why are you draining that lake?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and it would be what?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That we have to move that water out of there to prevent the case of it falling down into a breach in like this one of these air bubbles, which we know are under that region.
		And that's where the bulge is.
		The bulge is right under the lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but wouldn't that be this big tip-off that something potentially really bad is about to happen is what I guess I was getting at.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, and there again, I don't think you'd get government agencies to spring on this idea.
		They would walk until the cows come home.
		But it has to be done.
		And that's why we get into this realm of politics.
		Maybe that's why the Hansen incident is so valuable, because it tells you what's going on in other areas of science, geology and planetary science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's true, it's extremely sad.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And can we allow government agencies to be in control of these when they have political agendas to not scare the people or to say things that are politically correct?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		A volcano going off in the western U.S. isn't exactly a politically correct statement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, for example, last night on 60 Minutes, they pointed out that one of the Democrat administrations tried to pressure Hansen into saying that it was actually worse than it was at that time, and he wouldn't do that either.
		I just thought I'd throw that in for balance.
		So agendas, yes, they seem to carry the day, don't they?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And it's unfortunate when scientists, the other unfortunate thing is it's hard to get a group of scientists in a room and have them all agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, for sure.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And the global warming issue, I've always tried to insert a few things in there.
		One is that they are measuring temperature rise, which is not the equivalent of heat content rise.
		I use the example of if you take two boxes, same size, you fill them full of gaseous material, but you, say, put more water vapor in one, you can have a lower temperature in the box without the water vapor, but more heat content.
		If you have the lower temperature in the box with water content, you can actually have more heat content in that box, even though it's at a lower temperature.
		So, temperature is not an indicator of heat content, and the greenhouse global warming scientists are using them interchangeably, and it's a totally scientifically incorrect comparison.
		It's too difficult for them to measure true heat content, because that would require knowing the atmospheric components like water, which holds a lot of heat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to water for a second, because I'm not done with this Yellowstone thing.
		I guess I want to understand if the lake fell into the broken bulge, I really do want to know what would occur in the surrounding states and to what distance this would occur.
		Can you estimate even?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to estimate, but we've seen very small lakes like this.
		For example, Mount St. Helens, let's take a good example of a volcano that blew due to both water and sulfur.
		There was probably a chasm underground that when that rumbling was going on, the breaks and the fissures were occurring, and water, probably from a freshwater underground reservoir, dumped down into the chasm.
		And that's what took the top of Mount St. Helens off.
		And you saw it took the top third of that mountain off in a matter of seconds and blew it 60 miles in the sky.
		The same thing with Krakatoa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the thing about Yellowstone is you've got written down here that it would be the perhaps biggest volcanic eruption the Earth has seen in 50 million years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that 50 million years, that seems like a really big explosion.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That is a big explosion.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		So around the surrounding states, the answer to your question is it would cover, it would blow material into that 50-state or that probably 10-state region completely surrounding the Yellowstone caldera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how severe would the consequences of that be for those states?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be, that would end life as we know it.
		I don't know if it would kill everybody.
		The one estimate is based on past eruptions of Yellowstone that it extended out about 500 miles.
		Wow.
		So that means as far as eastern Minnesota.
		And then, of course, the dust cloud would encircle the globe when Mount St. Helens went off.
		They were selling Mount St. Helens dust from New York City in little vials.
		Yes.
		So that was a relatively small volcano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a lot of scientists believe that, well, I guess we know, don't we, that volcanoes actually lower the temperature on Earth because they obscure the sun to a certain degree, right?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so something the size of Yellowstone, 50 million years apart or so, that would throw up enough dust to probably do what?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		well we'd we'd go into a mini uh...
		ice age there's a good record of one and i'm trying to think of the Right.
		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		And the one that went off in the 1800s, it was well documented.
		The temperatures all around the world were measured by the British Navy in the 1800s.
		And I'm trying to think of the name.
		It's out in the Pacific there, in, I think, like the Micronesia area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you think that global warming could conceivably get bad enough that somebody would come up with the idea of blowing Yellowstone to cool it off?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I hope not.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That would be some mad science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, there's some guys at NASA who were talking about changing the Earth's orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had you heard that one?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did not hear that one.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard you not.
		They were going to move the Earth further away from the Sun, temporarily, to deal with global warming.
		And then at the end of that time, they were going to move it back.
		And the way they were going to move it was to take something like a giant, I don't know, maybe a comet, some planetary something that's headed in our direction but not close enough, and then insert it in exactly the right passage of Earth to just bump us out of the current orbit by a little bit.
		And then the idea was to get another rock and put us back into orbit after we had cooled off.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The only problem with that that I see is probably what would happen, it wouldn't go out into a farther circular orbit.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		We would go into an elliptical orbit, so we'd go farther and then closer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a lunatic-like idea.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't like to see somebody doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it was real.
		I read the story.
		They really thought about it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The one I saw, they were going to cast material up in outer space, I think, fine aluminum particles or something, and it would block the sun and then cause cooling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I bet it would cause a lot of other stuff, too.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd start to play with those kind of things and the side effects and the unknown, you know, like anything when you change nature, five other things that you didn't expect happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Inevitably.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Inevitably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So this Yellowstone thing, it's bulging.
		Just so we know the current status, is it continuing to get to be a bigger bulge?
		Is that the current thinking?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there again, they stopped producing the data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, darn.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Somebody is probably aware of the size.
		I mean, we have GPS.
		You could drop sensors down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But why would they stop the data, James?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the woman, I forget her name, that was publishing this up to a few years ago, was kind of silenced.
		And then at that point, they had data on the amount that it had risen.
		But you would think by now they would have a volumetric measurement where you could get exactly a daily measurement, exactly how this has grown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One would think.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And somebody's got that data.
unidentified		I bet it exists somewhere.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But it didn't show up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this is really a danger and they're doing specials on Discovery Channel and such about it, and you're telling me they were giving us the data indicating it was bulging and then the data stopped, that's very troubling, James.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And there again, it's just like the Hansen incident or the issue with the dirty snowball comet model.
		Science is not science, and it is so controlled and distorted today that you could hardly recognize it as science.
		Somewhere above, however, I talk about the different tiers of science.
		Much of what we see today is, I call tier two science.
		There are groups of scientists, you don't know their names or you never hear from them, they don't publish, but they have real data and real information, and it does go somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to us.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Not to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they give any reason why they stopped the data about the caldera bulging there?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there was a statement.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And I'm trying to think, but it was basically we don't want to release this until further analysis because it may alarm the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they really say that?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I'm just trying to think exactly what it said.
		But that was what I read into it, I guess.
		But there was actually...
		Probably not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It added up to that in your mind, though.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was probably some double talk of some sort.
		But the reality is that the data simply is no longer available.
		And we know that that data exists.
		They wouldn't stop measuring that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't think.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just remarkable.
		It would sure be fun to get hold of whatever that memoir document was.
		Music Once again, here's James McCanney.
		And James, this is part of the show where we turn it over to the audience.
		Who knows where they'll take it, but all over the place.
		Listen, do you want to promote your books?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		Do it.
		By the way, I remember the name of that volcano.
		It's Tambora.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		1800s blew up and caused a mini ice age.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the website, of course, is linked from the coast to coast web page.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Naturally.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And that's the best way to get to my site so you get to the correct location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see, there's people like out on the road and stuff like that, and they might go there after the link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that said, if they wanted to get to you and they went to Google and wanted to have you come up, what would they put in?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Put JM McCanney, M-C-C-A-N-N-E-Y.
		And I'm the top one that comes up, and all those misinformation sites of badmouthing me come up right underneath me.
		So pick the top one.
		That'll be my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you mean there's actually sites that badmouth you?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		But it's www.jmccane science.com.
		That's the website.
		And I always have a little special for the coast-to-coast audience for people who like to use mail order.
		And tonight, the book we're talking about is Principia Meteorologia, The Physics of Sun-Earth Weather.
		And that's kind of a long title, but it's written for the general public so you understand how our solar system weather works and how it affects us on Earth.
		And that book typically retails for $35, but tonight for the audience, that'd be $25, and that includes shipping and handling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you really love them.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And so the address is JMCC PO Box 58, NAVAR N-A-V-A-R-R-E, Minnesota, 55392.
		That's $25 to JMCC, PO Box 58, NAVAR N-A-V-A-R-R-E, Minnesota, 55392.
		And just ask for the weather book, and we'll know what you're talking about there.
		You ever sign them?
		They go out from a place where I don't see them actually.
		But if I go to a talk like I did recently, then I sign them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's nice.
		All right.
		So somebody could find you and present you with your book, and you would then sign it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I've signed many, many, many, many of them.
		Just that when things come in through either the web page or unfortunately, I have had to step out of the process of that just so that I could direct my attention to other, my research, etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		All right, here they come.
		International Line, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, my name is Mick.
unidentified		I'm in Winnipeg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Thanks for having me.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My question is for your guest, James.
		Hello.
		Hi, James.
		Earlier in the show, you were talking about NASA importing a massive drill bit to supposedly drill out a bunker to protect them in case a comet hits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was talking about the drill bit.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The drill bit for tunnel drilling, and they put a big rotary machine behind this, and they just tunnel through the ground, so they make long tunnels, and this one was an extra large one.
unidentified		Okay, I understand that.
		And that reminded me of a movie I saw called Armageddon where a comet was coming, and they had this idea of sending these guys out to drill big holes in the meteor and then put some nukes in there and blow it up.
		And I was just wondering, is that even possible?
		Like if they had a big enough spaceship to get that bit out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really is a cool question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is the kind of thing they depicted there with the size of the rock that they were trying to affect, was that realistic from a physics point of view?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The problem is now you've got many pieces.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		So the question is, do you want to be hit by a bigger bullet or a shotgun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I recall, they split it in two, and both sides went on each side of Earth and neatly missed us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that not a likely outcome?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the the problem with drilling in outer space is that there's nothing to grab on to.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		When we drill on Earth, you have gravity and you can drill, but the drilling in outer space has posed a problem because there's no relatively zero gravity on these objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if something was headed our way, we would try something.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, one might think so.
		My own solution for this is that understanding that comets' orbits are diverted by their tail drag.
		you could extend a tether out from a object like this in advance you'd have to be A tether, which is a self-reeling device.
		Once you get it going, it just will reel out away from the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What an interesting idea.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		You discharge the local solar capacitor.
		The material comes in.
		It changes the orbit of the object and without any explosions or whatever.
		And you better make sure you know this is going to hit Earth, and then you spirit it away and it misses Earth because you've changed its orbit due to the tail drag.
		But the physical thing you do is attach a tether to it and let it reel out away from the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So therein lies the tail.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you induce the tail, the discharge of the solar capacitor, which then creates the tail which is drawn in and ultimately changes the orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, your turn with James McCanney.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Is this wildcard line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line, sir.
unidentified		Oh, am I on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you not a first-time caller?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I thought I called the wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You called the first-time caller line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are a first-time caller, right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a first-time caller?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		My name is Ken, and I'm calling from Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've got a question for Mr. McCanney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		James, how are you doing?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good, Ken.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Okay.
		I'm not a scientist, but I have a lot of common sense more than I would say the average person.
		And what you was talking about, that lake, draining that lake for the Yellowstone Park, I forget the name of the lake.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yellowstone Lake.
unidentified		Yellowstone Lake?
		Okay.
		Wouldn't that lake present a lot of pressure on that bulge on the bottom, the water itself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, he's saying that might be keeping the bulge from going kaboom.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And not only that, it might be keeping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		That's a good one.
		Stop right there while you're ahead.
		What about that, James?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
		I don't believe the lake is very deep, but certainly...
		Yeah.
		The question is, could you induce the bulge to grow more by taking the water out?
		Well, there again, you'd have to look at the engineering of this.
unidentified		Cause it to blow sooner.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you brought that up.
		You know, that's the kind of thing I always thought, like on Star Trek, instead of having a commander that made all the decisions, sometimes the guy, you know, that maybe is closer to the action or whatever would have the best idea.
		So we have to, that's great to have input like this because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've saved us.
unidentified		And also the temperature.
unidentified		The water, wouldn't that have a cooling effect on the molten rock that's pushing up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another good point.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there again, but it's going in the wrong direction.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And in both of these cases, if the water is there when this thing breaks, we're in big trouble.
unidentified		But if we cause it to break sooner, there would be less water to make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plus, everybody would be angry with USGS or whoever did it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Or Jim McCanny.
unidentified		I was thinking I would hate to be you and make that decision of bumping the lake out and have it blow.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you had that input because whenever you mess with nature, as we were saying before, there are side effects.
		And this could be one of them.
		So there might be a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with James McCanney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Arthur.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		James.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		When one of these objects comes floating through, if it's sufficiently large to cause trouble, it would also be sufficiently large to, through some associated side effects, pick up a few rocks from the asteroid belt and also add to the shotgun effect, would it not?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they absolutely do.
		And that's part of the comet phenomenon is what we call the meteor stream associated with comets.
		And the ancients talk about this, the hail of brimstone and fire, the brimstone was the meteor streams that came in along with the oil from the comet's hail, the hydrocarbons.
		So absolutely, it's going to be picking these up, and there's an actual physical process by which comets cause the metallic structure in, like, small rocks and pebbles to be attracted.
		It's called the induced electric dipole force.
		But absolutely.
		And how big an object they would pick up depends on how big the comet is.
		But absolutely.
unidentified		So this side effect could be in itself rather horrendous.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Yeah, there are fields of rocks.
		They don't know where they came from over in the Mideast, that are, they call them rock fields.
		And they're literally entire vast regions of the desert that are just covered in rocks, and they have no idea where these come from.
		But the speculation is they come from outer space.
		There's a series of elliptical lakes.
		They're small lakes down in South Carolina and the same thing.
		It appears that a big barrage of objects from outer space came in and dug these out, But there again, all we see now is the result.
		So obviously these things have happened in the past.
		And now that Schubacher Levy 9, the 21 pieces, hit Jupiter, scientists have become acutely aware of these objects coming and having multiple pieces coming in at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Jupiter our protector in that regard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it's got so much yank to it that anything of substance that would likely get us would instead be captured and eaten by Jupiter?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in a sense.
		That's very true.
		But then again, like with the Venus event, it captured something that eventually ended up where we are.
		So it can work both ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose, for example, something could also only hit the outer part of Jupiter's influence and then be thrown toward us by that.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a giant billiard table, isn't it?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		It's a giant billiard game out there, and we're just in a nice stable orbit, but we're the target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McCanney.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Gene from Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Gene.
unidentified		I have a couple quick questions.
		One of them is, have we ever got a manned vehicle through the Van Allen radiation belt?
		Do you know?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't personally know.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I have my doubts.
unidentified		Right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		But that's a problem.
		It's a very serious problem.
		And NASA's one of their major two programs, they have two programs that are coverall programs within NASA.
		One is called Living with a Star.
		And that program, the other one is called Sun-Earth Connection, but the Living with the Star program is to learn how to deal with space radiation.
		And one of their, they have hundreds of scientists right now trying to figure out how to safely maneuver through the near-Earth radiation belts, which are the Van Allen belts.
		So that is a huge ongoing issue, and a lot of people are working on it.
		But to answer your question, I can't personally say yes or no to that.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		The other quick question I wanted to know is would that radiation belt perhaps help protect us if something came at us?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it wouldn't deflect anything particularly in that sense.
		And if an object were coming to us, for example.
		It's extremely low density out there.
		The thing with the radiation belts is the speed of these particles.
		They're at relativistic speeds.
		They're zipping around out there, trapped in our magnetic field, and they're moving at extreme high velocity.
		So when they hit a metal spacecraft, that turns into an X-ray.
		And therein lies the radiation problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So big that you think we might not have done it.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is some problems.
		When NASA went to the moon, the moon, the Apollo program in the late 60s, early 70s, the only radiation they were aware of at the time were alpha and beta particles, which are actual particles that might hit somebody in their detectors, their badges that they wore.
		Actually, that NASA symbol on their chest was also a radiation detector.
		They had no X-ray detection of any kind at the time.
		And there's an example of when they first had the shuttle, they brought it up to about a 500-mile orbit, and the astronauts' eyes began to glow, or their eyelids, or I mean their eyebrows began to fluoresce, etc.
		And so they brought them back down very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And they never went up that far again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fluorescing eyebrows is very concerning.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the shuttle itself was fluorescing.
		They call it, the term is shuttle glow.
		So in the very early trips up there, they experienced what they call shuttle glow, which actually is an electrical discharge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As an astronaut, I'd probably be willing to put up with the shuttle glowing, but I would draw the line at my eyebrows.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Eyebrows glowing.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And you can read the guy's book next to you with your eyebrows glowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McCanney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
		This is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
		I also have two questions, if possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll see.
unidentified		Dr. McCanney, you said earlier comets can cause surface fusion on the sun.
unidentified		So through the solar capacitor function in Comet Tempel 1's impact, could it have been an electrical short cause, thus the sun displaying an increase in solar flare activity and or a measurable change in the heliosphere that could be responsible for our strange weather happenings on the continental U.S. with hurricanes and tornadoes?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		No, you're talking about Tempel 1, the deep impact probe hitting the comet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
unidentified		That is correct.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		No.
		Any events like that, in fact, we did see a bright flash, a secondary flash, after the probe hit comet Tempel 1 nucleus.
		The plume of material came out, and then there was an incredible flash.
		And that was an electrical discharge that attached to that material as it came out.
		But it's so far away from the sun that any of that would have been contained within the local plasma environment of the comet nucleus.
		So, no, I wouldn't associate that with the comet nucleus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, second question, thanks.
unidentified		Well, Richard Holgman is working on the release of post-Comet Tempel 1 information.
		He said last year would make your hair stand on end, and that the imaging absence from the deep impact spacecraft is not due to equipment malfunction.
		Do you have any comment on that?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was on the night with Richard July 4th when we were waiting for that data to come in, and we agreed on the air that there is something very hokey going on with the data.
		But absolutely, there's something missing there completely.
		But the photographs and the video, the series of clips, they made it into an actual video, makes it clear that this is not a snowball.
		A lot of other things happen there.
		The spectrometer data we were talking about earlier clearly shows this is a hot, dry rock with no water.
		it's not producing anything that would form a comet tail uh...
		sublimating water of any kind there's no Nothing of the sort was found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
unidentified		Hold it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, James McKenney.
		Welcome back, James.
		Been a wild show, huh?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is great.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		We've covered a lot of territory, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We sure have.
		First time caller line, your turn to cover some territory with James.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Roy currently in San Antonio.
		Thank you, Art.
		And the first time I've had my radio shit off to Art Bell is now because you requested me to.
		And James, what I was hoping to ask was, there's rumors that are saying that NASA has been going to the Hopi Indians, asking them what the heck is going on with the weather changes.
		Are you able to verify or confirm that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Is that really true, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, I'm not saying it is true that it's done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true that the rumors are out there big time.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I cannot confirm it myself, but here's the thing with this kind of information.
		In public, they would never admit that, but that's the real source of information.
		Those people lived through it.
		They have handed this information down, and they're the best source of information on what's really going on.
unidentified		One more question, if I may.
		Go ahead.
		There's also a rumor in 99, the Earth took a three-degree tilt on its axis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd think we'd know about that one.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That I can tell you personally, it did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did not.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I'm an astronomer myself, and there are so many rumors that the moon is not where it's supposed to be, and that the Earth is out of its orbit, etc.
		No, we're very much where we're supposed to be within any margin of error.
		There's small changes that go on all the time, some of which we don't totally understand, like the Chandler wobble or things like that.
		But no, we're where we're at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you brought up Chandler Wobbler.
		Wobble, can you tell me anything about that?
		Is it true that it has somewhat mysteriously stopped wobbling?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, it changes and it's known to change.
		And the cause of the wobble itself is unknown.
		Some people believe it's due to the sloshing of the oceans in the cavities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And occasionally even stops for a while, is that correct?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And there's not a lot of exact data on this.
		It's like any geological phenomenon.
		We may only have 100 years of data, and not all of that is the greatest.
		That's a good point.
		So where it's going and where it's been, but there again, I don't see a lot of good current data on that myself.
		In fact, I've looked around for that, and it's one of those topics that there are probably some astronomers that have real good data, but I haven't personally seen it myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wild Cardline, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Oh, my name is Jeff, and I'm from Orlando.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jeff.
unidentified		And one thing that I would have to ask James is when these large cometary bodies come by Earth, you know, he was saying that they don't necessarily hit, and I believe that entirely.
		The probability is that they don't hit.
		But when they do come by, is that one of the factors that changes the polarity in the Earth?
		Uh-huh.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		You mean like the magnetic polarity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could either be a magnetic shift or something worse.
		But his question is a good one.
		Could it precipitate such a thing?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And the Earth, the way I'm asking, yes.
		Yeah, the Earth is structured.
		We have the magnetic, what we call the magnetic North Pole, which is somewhat loosely coupled with the Earth.
		But the crust and mantle of the Earth ride over a viscous layer, which has actually been measured.
		It's not hypothetical.
		And then beneath that is the core.
		And this surface can slide over the lower layers.
		And that actually happens a lot of times during major earthquakes and plate shifting, etc.
		But the bottom line is you have a large object coming by.
		It sets up a gravitational wave, which then can shift this whole surface kind of shell over the core.
		And then it redistributes.
		During this process, the core continues to spin at the same rate and direction that it was spinning before.
		And all of this then kind of locks back together after the event.
		And it's very clear that our old North Pole used to be somewhere in the state of Ontario.
		That's why the magnetic North Pole is trying to migrate up to where the real North Pole is right now.
		So this really takes, Earth takes a very good jar, jarring.
		And so to answer your question, both the magnetic pole and the celestial pole, which is the rotational pole, can change dramatically during one of these events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So that was a yes.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McKenney.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Okay, I never can hear the East of the Rockies thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am calling you from Canton, Ohio.
unidentified		My name is Paula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Paula.
unidentified		And it's a distinct pleasure to speak with both of you.
		James, earlier in the show, you were talking about the fact that we have not been hit by anything in how many thousands of years.
		Is there a distinct possibility That there has been intervention from other sources that have kept us from being hit by a meteor or something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extraterrestrial billiard players.
unidentified		Right.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Actually, there's some good data.
		A friend of mine from Turkey is a head of a group over there, and they have actual footage taken by an airline pilot of an object coming in, kind of like you would see almost in the Deep Impact movie.
		And all of a sudden, a laser beam comes out of nowhere and zaps this thing.
		There are three installations on Earth that we know of.
		There's one in Russia, there's one in Turkey, and I'm not sure where the other one is, but that have been identified as what are believed to be ancient Earth-protecting automated sites, which can basically zap objects as they come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, every time I expect a big no from you, it turns out to be a yes.
		It blows me away.
		So there is evidence.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		There is evidence that, yes, that someone has tried to protect this planet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The other issue is that the big ones that would come by and probably do the most damage, there's nothing available for those guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McCanney.
		Morning.
		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		International Line, you're on the air with James McCanney.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Hi, James.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is it possible as a consideration to think of a nuclear weapon, possibly using ion propulsion for speed and distance, as a consideration of trying to protect the Earth from an incoming comet?
		I'd appreciate an answer.
		Thanks.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		A nuclear explosion would have to be buried deep inside of an object out there to affect it.
		And in that case, will it, in fact, do something that will be beneficial?
		In other words, avert a dilemma.
		And there's a lot of study that's been done on this.
		There's two camps.
		One is don't do it because you are going to have a difficult time controlling the pieces that come out of this.
		In any explosion, you get lots of pieces.
		The movie in Hollywood broke it into two pieces, but how many times is that going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, rarely, I guess.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art and James, I'd like to ask about the abandoned supercollider project in Texas, whether that could be used as an underground safety site for NASA employees.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why are they drilling?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		I'm not sure.
		It's a big tunnel.
		I'm not sure how big the cavity itself is.
		A lot of times the chamber is relatively small where the particles are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I try to get my mail every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have my invitation yet.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
		But I understand there's a lot of ants there.
		One of the problems they had with that were the red ants eating the insulation on the wires.
unidentified		That's like a bad place to hide out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to go.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Unless you like red ants, which I've had a few encounters with those guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a hell of a way to go.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That would not be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		They might have to reduce ants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brothers stay on top.
		All right, caller.
		Is that it?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Art, thank you so much for being one of the elite broadcasters who are brave enough to not screen your calls.
		You're welcome.
		Mr. James, what I'd like to ask is, should somebody at some point choose to cool off our planet by simply rotating our orbit just a minute little bit, how will that affect the moon and what will that do to our tides?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, moving the planet is going to be a big job.
		But say that you did it.
		Your question is, how would it affect our tides?
		It could change.
		Of course, there are animals life that is structured to those cycles in the sea and on land.
		So anything coupled to the moon would change.
		But there again, all of the species seems to be adaptable.
		Whether it would be critical to some, I couldn't tell you that.
unidentified		As far as water levels go, would that nullify everything that we're trying to stop as far as global warming goes?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, the tides are separate.
		They're due to the gravitational influence of the moon and the sun to a lesser degree.
		But anytime you start changing these things, you don't know of all of the side effects.
		One of the projects I had in my mega projects list was to take, when we have this increased runoff from Antarctica and Greenland, say for example, to take that water and move it to desert areas.
		And so we'd have to develop ocean liners or maybe big plastic vessels you would pull behind ocean liners.
		It turns out that in 19, I believe 91, Asia sent an entourage of ships into the Great Lakes and took 152 million gallons of Lake Superior lake water over to Asia, and they finally got it stopped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		but it just shows you that people on this planet are starting to do large ventures to move fresh water or to accommodate needs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like your comments on the...
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it practical?
		Is it possible?
		Could we really do it?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a little problem in that we have a very large capacitor between the ionosphere and down here on the planet Earth.
unidentified		Ah.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		And if you break that capacitor, you're going to be doing more than elevating.
		You're going to be driving that current, as with any capacitor.
		If you discharge a capacitor, it's going to flow along that line.
		And I don't think many people would be going up that elevator shaft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it could be a fatal charge?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		This is Perry from Sedalia, Missouri.
		And I've heard you reference a lot of times the legends and myths and old texts and stuff.
		And I'm kind of interested in Zacharias Sitchin.
		And I just never heard of this.
		It intrigued me whenever you mentioned about Venus taking the atmosphere from Mars.
		I'd never heard that Venus did it and got trapped.
		And it also makes me think of Major Ed Dame, something that he remote viewed one time, was something to the effect of something, some object bouncing off the atmosphere of Mars and stripping away its mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I said that, yes.
unidentified		I just was wondering if you could elaborate a little on that.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The reference specifically to Mars, the best reference comes from the Velikovsky books, Worlds in Collision, Earth in Upheaval, and Ages in Chaos.
		And I don't know, that's probably in Worlds in Collision, but don't quote me on that.
		But he talks specifically about the Mars event and that Mars was a blue planet.
		It had a different orbit.
		Its orbit brought it closer to Earth prior to the event.
		And it had its orbit changed out to where it is now, according to the legends.
		But anyway, that's where you would find that information.
		That would be the best source.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James McKenney.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Besides wanting to say that I think George had a caller of a truck driver who had a truck driver friend who had delivered something to Texas, went into a tunnel and drove for miles and miles underground before he deposited his unknown load.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe into this drilled-out tunnel, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		That's what I was thinking.
		And the primary reason I called may not be the most important, which I hope I have a chance to say less.
		Okay, I don't know whether this is a cuckoo idea, but...
		Yeah, okay.
		What about the idea that the bird flu is a way to thin out the population for the known coming disaster so that the people who are going to go into the bunkers will have less trouble getting in there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, all right.
		Well, we'll have to hold it there.
		And so what about that?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		There are many beliefs regarding the bird flu.
		A lot of people believe that the bird flu term is actually a cover for a man-made virus that might be released amongst the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oil conspiratorial son of the guns, aren't we?
		We really are.
		First time caller line, you're on with James McCanney.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Hal.
		Yes?
		My question is this.
		How long did it take nature to create oil?
		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is it from old dinosaur carcasses?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't care about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do.
		I do.
		So how long?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		The oil literally comes from the tail of comets.
		When we pass through these comet tails, it might take up to a month where we actually are passing through.
		The ancients talk about the hail of brimstone and naphtha, the burning naphtha coming in from outer space, and that occurred at the time of the great flood, which also came in from the water came from outside the planet.
		But to answer your question, the hydrocarbons form relatively quickly in outer space, and this is a whole branch of chemistry.
		The water in the comet tail forms when hydrogen and oxygen molecules form the water molecule in outer space.
		And this is a whole branch of chemistry forming these, for example, hydrocarbon chains up to crude oil.
		In the chemistry of oil in general, you just have hydrocarbon chains.
		So methane and propane and all of these different things we break out of oil are smaller hydrocarbon chains.
		But the big ones, the crude oil, the black oil, is built up in outer space.
		And it doesn't really matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then what?
		You're telling me then that dinosaurs were dust to dust?
		That's it?
		They're not 10W30 now?
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Is that really right?
		That's correct.
		We have oil all over the planet.
		We have large pools under the ocean, and it came from outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on that note, buddy, we're out of time.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have done it.
		What a blast it was, James.
		Thank you.
		And, of course, we'll have you back again.
		But it's been a total pleasure.
james mccanney ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, it's great being on your show always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You take care, my friend.
		That's it, folks, for now.

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