Dean Radin’s Global Consciousness Project tracks 70 worldwide RNGs, revealing 50,000-to-1 odds of non-random shifts during events like terrorism—precursors often appear 2–4 hours ahead. His quantum entanglement theory suggests consciousness interacts with a unified physical medium, challenging conventional physics and worldviews. While natural disasters lack measurable effects, human intent (e.g., love studies, precognitive death visions) correlates strongly, hinting at psi’s role in extreme motivation. Radin’s work bridges science and spirituality but stops short of proving post-death consciousness, leaving open the possibility that repeated experiments could redefine reality itself. [Automatically generated summary]
Clear Channel actually nationwide cut back their advertising.
They probably did focus groups or something.
You know, they said, too many ads.
So somebody came up with that, less is more.
And it is.
And in my case, that's what it's going to mean.
So in the future, for your weekend hosting, you will be treated to, on Sundays, you'll be treated to Ian Punnett.
Ian Punnett will own Sunday night.
And Saturdays, well, Saturdays will be divided between myself every other Saturday and then Hilly, probably.
George, some of the time, some classic shows, things like that.
So I'm penned in for quite a while, as they say.
And I'll be here also, I think, no doubt, for special events like Mo Ghost Ghost, for example, on Halloween.
And no doubt, predictions for the year coming, that sort of thing.
But that's the breakdown.
So less is more.
And our good friend and highly competent Ian Punnett takes Sunday.
George becomes every now and then there on a Saturday, live.
Sometimes perhaps some of the most classic shows you've ever heard.
Occasionally, Hilly, and every other Sunday, or for two Sundays a month, myself.
So that's the announcement, such as it is.
The news, it never changes.
Suicide bombers.
You know, that's almost the first two words out of any newscaster's mouth these days.
Suicide bombers struck a police headquarters, an army base, and a hospital around Masul on Sunday, killing 33 people, a setback to efforts to rebuild the city's police force that was driven away by intimidation and death from insurgents seven months ago.
At least 14 people were killed in attacks elsewhere in Iraq, including a U.S. soldier whose convoy was hit by a roadside bomb in Baghdad.
And, you know, you ask, well, how long are we going to be here anyway?
Our Defense Secretary might have the answer to that, Rumsfeld.
He said today, Sunday, that he acknowledges the insurgency could go on for any number of years, and defeating it may take us, the U.S., as long as 12 years.
I wonder if the nation is prepared for 12 years.
Guess we better be, huh?
The father of a Dutch suspect arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager freed from jail Sunday, just hours after a judge ordered the release of a party boat disc jockey who had also been held in that case, Paul Vandersloot, a high-ranking justice official studying to be a judge on the Dutch Caribbean island,
had been arrested Thursday as a suspect for collaborating in a crime, probably not a good thing to do when you're studying to be a judge, with his 17-year-old son, according to his lawyer.
Making a milestone movement for American religion and world evangelism, the Reverend Billy Graham Sunday preached what could be his last revival sermon.
Toying with the situation, Graham told thousands of people gathered in Queens that he hopes to, quote, come back again someday, end quote.
Said he told journalists who asked if this is the end of his revival career, I never say never.
A lesson I've learned, too.
Beaches did reopen Sunday with extra lifeguards along a stretch of Florida's panhandle coast where a shark killed a 14-year-old girl as coastal residents reported seeing at least one shark hunting fish close to shore.
Not all dazzling fireworks displays are going to be on Earth this coming Independence Day.
NASA is going to shoot off its own sparks in an audacious mission that will blast a stadium-size hole in a comet half the size of Manhattan.
It'll give astronomers their first peek.
Inside one of these heavenly bodies, if all goes as planned, the Deep Impact spacecraft will release a wine barrel-size probe on a suicide journey, hurtling toward the comet, Temple 1, about 80 million miles away from Earth at the time she hits.
You know, if it's a movie, then just moments after the impact, the astronomers do a calculation and they see it's coming straight toward Earth on the next time around.
But that's only in the movies, right?
The price of crude oil.
This is like the movies, too.
The price of crude oil, ladies and gentlemen, has now vaulted to a new high, breaking through the psychologically important U.S. $60 a barrel threshold.
As concerns mount that supply will not meet demand, especially here in the U.S., the world's largest energy consumer, of course, after settling at U.S. $59.84 a barrel Friday, the front-month August contract crude surged to an intraday record of $60.46 a barrel in heavy Asian trade on the New York Mercantile Exchange, a jump of $0.62 from Friday's close.
I guess you all know what this means at the pump, right?
Listen to the wording of this very carefully.
Washington CNN.
Health experts warn that things are falling into place for a global flu pandemic, just like the one in 1918 that killed tens of millions of people worldwide.
They say it might not be quite as extreme, but by all calculations, very dangerous.
We're staring down the barrel of a loaded gun, and that gun is ready to fire.
That's Representative Michael Ferguson, a Republican from New Jersey, at a congressional hearing Thursday.
Again, quote, we're starting staring down the barrel of a loaded gun and that gun is ready to fire, end quote.
Health officials at the hearing agree.
They believe a flu pandemic is inevitable and it will likely come from the bird flu that is now spreading in Asia.
That flu is dangerous because it is a strain that most humans have never been exposed to, so there's no natural immunity and there is no vaccine.
But now it's infecting humans.
The virus, of course, first spread from bird to bird.
Then some of the people who work with the birds started to become infected.
53 people died.
So far, avian flu has only spread from person to person twice.
But you see, if that becomes more frequent, say experts, a pandemic would be imminent.
The health officials laid out for a congressional committee what they are doing to prepare treatments and a vaccine.
The news was not good.
A vaccine is in development, but since it has to be matched to the flu strain, once it's spreading in the human population, it would take about six months after the first cases to complete it.
It isn't as if overnight we'd be able to get a vaccine for everyone who's going to need one, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Health.
Treatment isn't easy either.
There is one drug available now that works against this type of flu, but it needs to be given within 48 hours of infection.
When you start getting the flu, it's virtually impossible to distinguish it from any other upper respiratory infection, so most people don't realize they've got it until way past the 48-hour window, according to Dr. Julie Gerdbing, I believe it is, director for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
And another story, flu pandemic could kill up to a half million here in the U.S. And of course, you already should be aware we've got a cow, another one, positive for mad cow.
The U.S. Agriculture Department said that a test of an American cow has come back, positive, for BSE or mad cow disease.
Agricultural Secretary Mike Johans announced that the animal had been removed from the food chain in November of 2004, that its meat had not been consumed.
Unlike other countries that use simple and quick testing protocols, the U.S. uses a slow and elaborate system preferred by the beef industry in order to minimize false positives.
As a result, a test that could have been concluded in a matter of weeks took over half a year.
The original test on the animal was inconclusive.
So there you have it.
All the news worth printing.
Let's begin taking some calls and devote the balance of this.
Oh, by the way, coming up next hour, we have Dean Raden.
And it is appropriate that I should, absolutely appropriate that I should interview Dean tonight.
You know, it's funny, since we first interviewed Dean, this whole consciousness thing has virtually exploded.
I mean, really exploded across the board.
But the genesis of the first real experiments began at Princeton, and Dean Raden is the guy.
So this will be a very, very interesting evening.
Wildguard Line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good evening, Art.
This is Jim from 560 KSFO Hot Talk in San Francisco.
Hey, I was going to complain about the Supreme Court and draw comparisons between eminent domain and medical marijuana, but you know, I want to ask you something different.
On Classic Clips, you have a 1998 show where I forget the guy's name.
You interviewed a guy about dangerous animal behavior.
And during the show, a guy named Joe, who was the bird trainer for Siegfried and Roy, called in.
Do you remember that show?
It was about the fact that animals can really turn on you, even if they're your pets.
Yeah, the only reason I brought it up is because it's interesting to have some proof in the future, even if it's sad proof.
You know, that guy that was the Siegfried and Roy Brig trainer, he swore up and down that animals were trainable and that they're gentle and not hostile like that.
But yes, but, sir, the real truth of the matter is, and they've looked into this very carefully, he was carried off the stage by that cat because he was having a stroke.
That's the story I heard.
And that cat was trying to protect him in the way she would protect her young.
Where she grabbed him is exactly where she would have grabbed one of her young.
And she was trying to drag him off stage.
That animal was trying to protect him.
So I really...
But that was not the case, as far as I know, to the best of my knowledge, with what I've absorbed about the incident.
That was not the case there.
Of course, it resulted in a tragedy.
However, the instinctual urge in the animal had not gone bonkers.
In fact, it was very strong, and that animal was trying to save his life.
Speaking of, we have our own little tiger.
You can see more of a close-up.
Now, it's very tough to take a very close picture of something as small as Dusty.
unidentified
Dusty is a very, a very, very little tidbit of a cat.
Among other things, on the side of the house, I've got a big kind of a Dracula switch so that when storms are in the area, despite the protection I already have, I can go out there.
I mean, it really is a Dracula-like switch, you know, one of those giant things.
And when you throw it, when you get the switch down into the off position, a blue spark about a half inch long will jump to the terminal before you close the switch completely.
Now, that's some damned high voltage.
You know, not a cloud in the sky, a very gentle breeze.
Every time I throw that switch, that's what I get.
Now, that's a lot of voltage at not very much current.
Could it be used to some effect?
Could it be harnessed?
I don't have the answer to these questions.
I honestly don't know.
But it's never gone away.
It never will go away.
Whatever it is, it's constant and it's really there, sir.
So we'll investigate it more, and one day we'll know what this is.
Two, three years ago, something came up, and I thought it was on your program, but I'm not sure.
It was about somebody you were interviewing, and they were from a university up north somewhere, and it said a professor or something, and they had experimented with a mixture of baby oil, detergent, and water mixed.
And what they did was they used it with a spray, and he claims it would kill anything but the common cold.
What happened was that whatever the biological thing was, it would accept it inside and it would explode.
The big advantage of this is they could spray it on dogs, animals, anything, and it wouldn't hurt anything.
I certainly have not seen the things protruding from them that you're talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I've had two of my own really whoop-de-doop sightings out here, and they're not unusual.
People, of course, since I, along with my beautiful wife, own a local radio station here, we get calls all the time whenever there are sightings, and that is pretty frequently.
We get calls about it, of course, immediately.
So, yeah.
The desert sky is very clear, very large, and we all know there are things going on out here.
One last mention of Deep Impact, and I want to talk about the bugaboo of having free will.
We have a local, a magazine called the Sedona Journal of Emergence.
The July 2005 issue has Project Deep Impact Comet Tampel 1 talking about some of the things I've been able to talk to you about, of the incredible backlash of energy coming from the center of the comet.
And if we take a very small bullet, an enormous amount of damage can be done to the human body.
Well, just think what's going to happen if this is the same situation with living energy on that comet and an unusual energy stream coming back to Earth.
Well, you know, love is the constant, you know, and even though there are spirits in the universe that exist and maybe can speak through trance channels, not everything can be proven.
It's what we're seeking in every relationship and everything.
We're seeking love.
And the fact that we get distracted or feel unworthy or not enough attention or go for money or this or that, it's our free will at work walking away from love.
We can walk right into it.
It's our choice in every moment, every situation, and every day.
Now that I come to think of it, it was, what the hell was it?
Ah, well, the sin will come to me.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
I'd like to talk.
You were talking about oil earlier, and one thing that concerns me, I guess, as a Canadian, first off, I don't know if your listeners know that Canada or Alberta supplies half of the oil to the U.S. at this time.
And apparently, I was reading last week, right, that the Chinese, which is communists we all know, are bidding to buy the rights to the oil sands up in Alberta.
Their dollar doesn't float, and they don't really participate in the world, in my opinion, very well with labor, the way that they pay their common laborers and what have you.
I just think I'd really prefer to see this stay in the hands of North Americans.
The truth of the matter is the oil market is a world market.
And it doesn't matter where the oil comes from, whether it comes from our own earth, Canada's earth, Alaska's earth, the earth in the deserts under the Middle East, or the Spratly Islands, should they discover it there.
Wherever the oil comes from, it's a world commodity, and it's going to be driven, the price of oil is going to be driven by the world market, which now absolutely includes China.
And by the way, it was vanity, that final sin.
Some of you will know the movie I'm talking about.
Nevertheless, there was a line in there.
Free will, it's a bitch, huh?
And that was the moment that he chose to defy the devil with that free will.
Okay, well, sir, last night he was, I made a connection with something he was talking about that had to do with the possibility that our creators may have deposited us or manipulated our DNA or the DNA of the human race as early as maybe 10,000 years ago.
I have been a staunch scientific believer in evolution for many years, and last night I kind of was jarred by the fact that the creationists that we have among us on this planet may have some valid, oh, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say.
The question I have, though, is, how do you, I mean, if, since I do have some idea of what, you know, creationism is, and the fact that Mr. Dean was talking about what he did last night,
how does anybody explain the fact that hominids or our ancestors, you know, the fact that we came from a common ancestor, or is what we've been told for many years, how do you explain carbon dating for fossils that are supposedly millions of years old if we were only deposited on this planet 10,000 years ago?
They said that there was a genetic change that was made, perhaps that long ago.
Now, mankind is on the verge of himself becoming a creator, aren't we?
We're actually very close to it.
And I guess that's like becoming a parent or becoming a grandparent.
Mankind is now quickly approaching the point where it will become a creator.
And in what different way will we feel then?
How will we feel when we can create life?
What different position does that put us in when we can create, cause the spark of life ourselves, even create new beings or bring back old ones that are now extinct?
Well, I think it's a lot like when the dairyman comes to the store and he puts the older milk frontwards in the shelf and he puts the new stuff to the back.
I think they're trying to get rid of the old stuff?
Well, they're trying to get rid of the crude before they sell us the other.
All right, well, what I've heard, I've heard some stories, and they include the fact that oil companies are not building new tankers.
Some are saying that new tankers are not being built, and the reason for that is that they know at some point they're going to run out of oil, or they have enough tankers to carry what's left.
That's pretty scary to think about.
I don't know that it's true, but it's been said by a number of guests on this program.
And when you look at the investment capital of the oil companies, some say that it seems to be diversified from their own business.
In other words, they don't seem to be reinvesting in their own business.
That, too, if true, would seem to indicate a knowledge that they're not going to be doing that kind of business for a long time, which may mean they know something we do not.
And you may recall toward the end, Free Will is a Bitch.
That was one line.
And then the real clincher at the very end, Vanity.
Ah, Vanity.
My favorite.
God, that was a great movie.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I'm calling from Mesa.
Yes.
Talk about consciousness tonight.
I've tried to get this word off before, but I've always need to call it during a break or something.
Ask him if they've ever done any type of studies or componded studies having to do with what would happen if the whole world, if they were all conscious at the same time, or if the whole world was asleep or unconscious at the same time, what would that have to do with, like, how would that affect reality?
You know, they say reality is based on what our consciousness is.
You know, I've heard that through like Buddhist teachings and things like that, that everything we perceive around us is based through consciousness.
And I'm wondering if what would happen, like, if everybody on the whole planet was awake at the same time, or what would happen if everybody was asleep at the same time?
Second, have you ever thought about just how much RF energy is blasted into the atmosphere 24-7 by everything from satellite radio to cell phones to ham radio all the way down to U.S. Navy ELF?
An M.S. in electrical engineering and a Ph.D., so it's Dr. Raden in psychology, both from the University of Illinois.
For 10 years, he conducted research on advanced telecommunication systems at AT ⁇ T Bell Labs and GTE laboratories.
Then, for the majority of the last 20 years, he has investigated psychic phenomena in academic and industrial positions.
Dean served as a member of a classified research project investigating psychic phenomena for the U.S. government at SRI International, headed PSI research programs in Silicon Valley for two scientific and industrial think tanks, has been senior scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences since 2001, and is also adjunct faculty at Sonoma State University in California.
Dean's research has been featured in numerous magazines, and he's appeared on several radio and television programs.
In addition, he is author of the book The Conscious Universe.
Now, for those of you who would like something really creepy to do tonight as you listen to the program, I'll probably get in trouble for this, but go to Google and put in Princeton eggs.
Like Princeton University, that's what it is.
And then eggs.
Princeton eggs.
And if you can get to the actual website of the eggs themselves, and you don't think it's creepy, we're going to explain to you in a few moments exactly what it is you're seeing and hearing when you view the Princeton eggs on your computer.
But it is a totally creepy, creepy experience.
It creeps me out every time I do it, but I love it.
So go ahead, go to Google and put in Princeton eggs, and then it'll kind of set the mood because you're going to hear it all explained here in a very few moments with Dean Rayton.
In all the years that I've been doing talk radio and this kind of talk radio, I've never found anything that I've been more interested, fascinated with, and in fact sure of, than I have this whole consciousness thing.
Each device is fundamentally random, at least as far as we know through quantum mechanics, there is no known way of predicting what each successive random bit will be.
So it's theoretically and fundamentally random.
And the exciting thing is, and perhaps the creepy thing is, that at times they no longer act random.
And so what we're interested in in this project is looking at the correlations between our inference of worldwide events, events that attract a lot of interest, and the relationship between those events and the appearance of order in these random generators.
I mean, in a sense, you're looking at a form of the pulse of the planet.
It's a form of pulsing that is much closer to mind than it might be to a heart.
But, of course, you also have to keep in mind that when you're looking at random events, that it's very easy to start seeing patterns where There actually are no patterns.
So, again, so people understand, these individual computers, about 70 of them, scattered around the entire globe, are spinning out as close to random as one can imagine, practically, I guess, really random numbers.
And there is this tendency for the computers to simultaneously, or very nearly simultaneously, take off and become non-random.
And that's when the alarms and the gongs and the bells go off.
Depending on how much non-randomness there is.
Now, over these eight years, it has been studied very carefully.
We've looked at very large world events like 9-11, like I'm sure the tsunami, the earthquake, things that have just affected the mind of just about everybody on the globe.
What would you summarize as a result so far, Dean?
Well, there have been a total of 199 events of the types that you've mentioned.
Of those, 186 are considered formal events, formal in the sense that they're very precisely specified.
And some of the others were more vague, so they're dropped from the formal analysis.
So of the 186 formal events, the overall odds against chance as of now, basically, is 50,000 to 1 in favor of order appearing when there shouldn't be any.
But we've now - this is partially a result of the way that we analyze the data.
You know, as I said, in order to be clear that we're not trying to look for patterns, we use a standard form of analysis that may not be appropriate for each one of these events.
And so we've gone back now and looked at 55 events that we call impulse events.
These are things like earthquakes, terrorist attacks, and so on.
They're not planned.
They start at a very specific time and then they persist for some time afterwards.
When you look at those events, and by the way, most of those are natural disasters, besides the terrorist attacks, they're mostly natural disasters, which don't tend to give a very interesting result.
You can do what's called a cross-correlation analysis, where you look at the moment that the event occurs, like the beginning of an earthquake, and then you slide in time the data.
So you slide forward in time, you slide backwards in time, to see if the event has something like a precursor.
You know, maybe there's nothing happening at time zero, but if you start going back 10 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour before the event, maybe there's something happening before.
For these impulse events, the 55 impulse events, there is a precursor, and it kind of looks like a wave, the way the graph is drawn, that's between two and four hours in advance of the event itself.
So it's as a result of many years of analysis and looking at this in new ways that we're beginning to learn what happens in the network based on the kind of event that's coming up.
Well, I guess I was going to ask whether it was just sort of human-oriented events, I don't know, like the United States going to war, for example, something that we were all aware of but still wouldn't happen.
Or whether in Earth movement type events, geophysical events, where humans are not involved, there simply is not the kind of output that you can read.
Well, we have another analysis where the 55 events, by the way, were ones that were registered.
We have a registry of these events.
But of course, there are earthquakes happening all the time, and we didn't register all of them.
So one type of analysis simply looked throughout the entire database where every time there was an earthquake of at least magnitude seven, some of them we got and some of them we had missed.
And for those events as well, these kinds of other impulse events we had missed, they also show these effects.
So which makes it even more interesting because what we're trying to do is see whether or not it's that we, maybe we as the analysts are just picking favorable times.
You know, we're dealing with a large random walk here.
And if we could somehow psychically or intuitively guess the right kind of event to choose, then maybe we're the result.
You know, it's not like we're not creating patterns that aren't there, but we're impressing the pattern somehow through ourselves, and it has nothing to do with the global consciousness.
But that kind of argument begins to go away if it turns out that we go to events that we had not considered previously, and they show an effect as well.
One of the largest effects ever was the first event, which were the embassy bombings back in 1998 that turned out to be al-Qaeda, although we didn't know it yet.
Bombs in Yugoslavia, big train crash in India, and then occasionally these large-scale meditations will also produce a big effect.
Hey, Dean, do you think that if we had, instead of one computer at each location, we had two computers at each location, with one of the computers in each case being inside a Faraday cage, do you think the output would be any different at all?
And actually another interesting question that we looked at is what would happen, given that we get data from each device every second, what would happen if we looked at the entire analysis for the even seconds and then looked for the odd seconds?
Would we get a similar result?
And the answer is yes, you do.
What that means is that whatever's going on is acting as though it's an external effect, which is consistent with the idea that there's something out there which is impressing itself into the generator.
Well, maybe whoever wrote the line in Star Wars about, may the force be with you.
Well, crap.
Looks like we crashed the egg server.
Hey, Dean.
You know, it was a while ago that you and I first talked, and since that time, I've had a range of guests on Dean, a giant range of guests, and it's sort of like the whole thing has exploded.
Now that there are these additional years under the belt of the project itself, is it beginning to gather enough evidence so that more academics are going, I guess we better take a look at this?
I wouldn't say that the Global Consciousness Project alone has done that.
There is a confluence of additional evidence from other kinds of psi experiments, but the combined evidence is becoming strong enough now that it's difficult for people not to pay attention to it anymore.
I mean, if someone really doesn't want to pay attention, they can ignore it very nicely.
But for the many of the rest of us who are open-minded about it and recognize that if it's true, it's quite important, the strength of the overall evidence is pretty solid.
I wonder, Dean, as awareness of consciousness as a field or a force becomes generalized, if that would affect significantly, for example, the results being gathered at Princeton, I would imagine it certainly could, couldn't it?
Do you think, Dean, and I know this is asking you to walk way out on a plank that you probably wouldn't want to walk out on, but do you think that massive amounts of public consciousness directed could have an effect on a thing or a system like weather or complex systems,
a small effect with a big ending, perhaps the butterfly effect kind of thing, I don't know, or maybe even something stronger than that.
I mean, the Global Consciousness Project is looking specifically at that very issue.
It's a little bit different in that what you're asking is whether focused intention by lots of people could do it.
My guess is yes.
We know that simple attention and not even focused attention, but just attention on something, anything, will make a small effect in these generators.
The problem with, I mean, you can imagine something like a television show or a radio show where millions of people are asked to simultaneously think certain thoughts or direct their thoughts.
The problem is that these phenomena seem to be involved in some way with the notion of coherence.
It's not simply that there's a lot of stuff being thrown, but it's stuff of a certain kind.
And by analogy, the mysteries in quantum mechanics are due to something called quantum coherence.
And if you don't have quantum coherence, then all of the mystery goes away, basically.
It looks like a classical system.
That seems to be true for these kinds of effects as well.
In quantum mechanics, it's my understanding that two cells that have come from the same place on opposite ends of the Earth will be noted to react the same way at the same time.
I've had really good scientists on here trying to explain to me how this might be.
I can't wrap my brain around the fact that there's not a kind of a communication taking place in the way we understand it, going at light speed.
But obviously it doesn't go at any speed.
It's beyond speed.
It's beyond time, it seems.
So this field, how is it allowing two objects to react the same way at the same time?
Well, the reason why it's difficult to grasp is because common sense tells us, and classical physics formalizes, a model of the world which involves, which essentially is like a large clockwork mechanism.
It's a world in which space is absolute and time is absolute and things work by balls and sticks touching each other.
As far as I can tell, the interpretation that I resonate with was the one that David Bohm gave, which is that we live in a holistic medium.
The physical fabric of reality is a holistic medium, which means that everything coexists with everything else.
He called it the implicate order.
Our common sense shows us the explicate order, the world of appearances.
But underneath it is the implicate order in which everything is wrapped around everything else.
It all coexists.
So when you see an example of either two particles which are entangled, as in the physics lab, or, I think, telepathy, two people who are entangled at a distance, the reason why it appears as though there's a signal between the two, that is an appearance.
It's not actually what's happening.
What actually is happening is that we're seeing two things which at some deep level are actually the same thing.
I've developed this idea to say, let's just assume that quantum mechanics is telling us that we really do live in a holistic environment.
I mean, one way of thinking of it is we all live in this giant bowl of clear jello, and you're kind of locked in place in this jello, but any movement, any movement, any action, any thought will ripple out and affect the entire rest of the pool of jello that we all are living in.
So this is not quite right because in jello, things are in separate locations, but it's a metaphor.
So in this medium that we live in, everything is affecting everything else.
Everything reverberates out and is touching and feeling everything else.
That means that the physical brain is entangled with everything else.
Every movement, every electrical activity, every thought is radiating out.
Well, if you then go through, you say, okay, let's assume that's true.
What would that be like if that were true?
What would it feel like experientially if, in fact, at some deep level, everything is connected?
And I went through the list of known psychic effects that people report, and they all make sense.
They make sense from a point of view that there are no signals passing, and it's not like there are lightning bolts coming out of your head that somehow go to the right place.
All of the phenomena like remote viewing and telepathy and precognition and so on, they make sense from a point of view of a different kind of physical medium that we live in, as opposed to some kind of exotic force.
I think, you know, the ontological implications of quantum mechanics are nowhere near worked out.
And I also don't think that quantum mechanics is the end of the road in physics, just the latest road in physics.
But if you follow the history of physics from classical to quantum and then where it's pointing beyond that, I think that the answer is definitely yes.
We will eventually understand psychic and mystical experience from a scientific point of view, and it's going to be related very closely to what physics says about the nature of the medium in which we live.
Well, I'll tell you, that'll be the day when traditional physicists are explaining to Us how people are able to read other people's minds or can draw a bridge that somebody's looking at half a world away and the environment they're in.
See, this new book that I've written called Entangled Minds, the whole theme in the book is saying that if we follow this sequence of logic from classical to quantum physics and then entanglement and bioentanglement and so on, if we keep going in that, eventually you're going to end up with entanglement at the human level in minds, entangled minds.
What would that be like?
Well, there are experiments that we've already done, been doing for decades, that suggest that two people can exchange information, both consciously and unconsciously, at a distance and well shielded and all the rest, and we never find any forces.
We don't find any signals.
We don't find any reduction of the ability at a distance.
All of that doesn't make sense from a classical physics perspective.
It makes a lot of sense from a quantum perspective.
When we hear about two or three or four inventors virtually working on or inventing roughly the same thing and getting into patent fights and all the rest of it, as so frequently happens, are we seeing, do you think, some sort of entanglement that's occurring in human minds at the same exact instant?
We try to bring together all of the leading edge thinkers having to do with consciousness and healing, spirituality, psy research, quantum physics, and so on.
And so if you're interested in hearing a cell biologist and an astrophysicist debate a mystic and a monk, then this is the conference for you.
This refers to scientists and academics who are very, very interested in these topics, including Psy, but who have been very reluctant to talk about it because there's this taboo that you're not supposed to talk about certain things.
The size of that invisible college has been really increasing in the same way that public interest has been increasing.
But it is also beginning to morph in an interesting way.
Some of the people in academia now, some of whom are very distinguished folks holding endowed chairs at major universities, have been conducting their own cy research successfully and not talking about it.
and since i i'm a bit of a lightning rod for these things i get contacted by a lot of people all over the place Obviously, many of you are very interested in all of this.
The Conscious Universe is Dean's book.
You ought to grab that, Amazon.com.
The Conscious Universe, that's a starting point.
The conference coming up is another.
Dean, again with the conference, please.
When is it going to be?
And more importantly, how do people line up to get in or what do they have to do?
The conference is officially titled Consciousness and Healing.
It's July 6th through 11th in Arlington, Virginia, which is right next to Washington, D.C. And the place to go, easy place to go to register is the IONS website, which is www.ions.org.
And it's featured on the homepage, so you'll see it right off the bat.
I think that there's an exciting element here in that people, I mean, it is often said that the reason why magic and religion persist is because of uncertainty.
You know, we would like to have safe, predictable lives, but we don't.
And so we look for answers elsewhere.
I don't think we'll ever, as humans anyway, be completely risk-free, but science and spirituality are beginning not exactly to merge, but at least in the old days, like water and oil, they would immediately separate.
Well, now we're getting to something which is where the oil and the water are beginning to penetrate a little bit, and the universe is not ending.
So I think it's a very exciting time where the rationality and precision of thinking in science is beginning to address issues which are of very deep interest to a lot of people.
Well, you've explained as best you could this to me, but honestly, I still am, you know, I'm a speed of light guy and I'm a communication is taking place kind of guy.
Even if it's taking place faster than light or in a way that we don't yet understand, I'm still a guy who thinks that particle A has to talk to particle B through some medium, that there has to be communication there for the same thing to happen at the same time.
And they are the metaphor, there are two metaphors that have been used in the Eastern approach.
One is that the medium is like the ocean, and that what we see as independent objects are droplets that are pushed up by waves in the ocean.
So they're momentarily there, and they will have their own little existence, but then they drop down and they become absorbed into a larger medium.
That's one way of thinking of it.
And the other one is a metaphor of a forest, where you look at two leaves on a tree, and the leaves are shaking the same way at the same time.
And it looks like one is sending a signal to the other.
but in fact they're connected to the same trunk and the trunk is shaking and it's a common cause that is giving rise to two things which are separate and yet they're not separate in another sense.
So, even though everything else is accelerating, information is accelerating, and so on, this is a big one because it's probably similar in some ways to 1905 when Einstein came out with his theory of relativity.
And it took a long, long time for people to begin to wrap their mind around what he meant.
Every new piece of information or knowledge carries power.
Knowledge is power.
So is there power?
Yes.
It's a peculiar sort of power, though, because in a holistic medium, yet another metaphor is it's as though you're looking, you're trying to examine your eye by looking in a mirror.
There are certain ways you can look and see directly into the phobia, but it's very difficult or even impossible to look at the side of your eye using your eye.
And the whole point about a holistic medium that makes it difficult to understand is that it involves recursion at every level.
You can't poke it without it poking back and changing in the process.
It's like an empty argument because everything is everything.
And yet, that does seem to be what quantum mechanics, at least one interpretation of it, a number of theoretical physicists are beginning to propose the idea that everything really is connected to everything else.
Well, remote viewing is not that different from telepathy and precognition and all the rest.
While I've looked at all of the experiments in great gory detail, when you look at the whole batch of them, the reason why I just use the word psi is just a placeholder for some form of connected information flow.
And one point is your head, and the other points are anywhere in the universe, anywhere in space and time.
And so the evidence is quite strong that while it sounds kind of nutty as compared to what common sense tells us, the phenomena still exist, and the phenomena don't seem to care whether we think it's nutty or not.
I've been told by some recent guests, Dean, that as quickly as it seems to be exploding here, in China, for example, they don't have the same scientific prejudices that we have here, and that all of this is moving much, much faster.
And they may be approaching an understanding faster than we are, or have the basic ability to think about things in a different way that allows them to be ahead of us in this area.
I would guess that you're correct, that part of it is a different language, different cultural history, and probably somewhat less of a taboo in the academic world.
And so, yes.
So at some point the Chinese may be well ahead of the rest of the world in understanding.
Of course, the fear that arises is the one that you already mentioned, which is that knowledge is power.
So if someone gets a significant increase over somebody else in terms of understanding, then that probably can be used in some way.
Dean, there would be one school of thought in remote viewing, and it's certainly predominant, that you might be able to look at something on the other side of the world and describe it.
You might be able to find something.
You might be able to learn if somebody's alive or dead, or you might even be able to discern what their line of thinking is.
But remote viewers are very careful to talk about remote influencing.
But some of them do admit that indeed it may be possible, and that would be that an individual or a group of people intent with will on influencing the mind of another on the other side of the world might be able to do that.
Is this something that your imagination says might be possible?
The laboratory evidence suggests that that's true.
We don't know whether the word influence is exactly correct, but we do know That if you take two people and separate them and have one think thoughts at the other, that the other person's body will respond.
And so you don't need a large leap of faith to imagine that the right kind of training or talent in one person could affect another.
I mean, what we see in the lab are basically an arousal of the autonomic nervous system.
It would be like as though you gave somebody a triple espresso to speak.
You know, they've become jittery.
So we see that.
We can see that in the laboratory, and it's not even that difficult to produce that kind of experiment anymore.
So if we amplify that up, we scale it up a few thousand times, if that were possible, then I could imagine you could start pushing around somebody's blood pressure or make them particularly anxious at a distance.
Whether it has a healing response and whether it has a damaging response to the person, I don't think we know enough.
So if you might be doing a very good patriotic act, which involves harming somebody at a distance, but it's for the good of the larger whole, it still means it's a negative event, but maybe it's not so negative from another perspective.
That seems to me to be something that would be so outrageous and such a gigantic power that we could not afford, and when I say we, I mean, our government, our leaders could not afford to not take notice of all this building proof leading to something like that possibility.
Well, they've got a lot to pay attention to these days, and that probably seems rather sort of off the wall and esoteric to them, but I don't think so, Dean.
Well, but also keep in mind that as with any form of force or power, there are many ways of getting a job done.
So it's probably much, much easier to use conventional methods if you wanted to make somebody feel ill than it would be to have a billion-dollar crash program and finding the best psychics in the world to do it.
So that as a use of this phenomena would not seem to be a very wise use of the money.
But are we, I mean, as far as I know, the remote viewing program has been terminated.
And when you speak with remote viewers, they say that it was basically because of the embarrassment of those involved in even doing something that off the wall.
They claim very good success in the program.
And that as not the reason that it was terminated.
Not because it wasn't reliable, not because it didn't work, but because people were embarrassed.
We know that there are some very talented people who can use it.
But again, it kind of comes down to this same question of if we have multiple ways of getting information, and some of them are very highly reliable technologies, then why bother with this other method?
And I mean, the answer to that is that this other method can do things that other technologies cannot.
But it involves humans, and so it's not going to be perfect.
And you have to be willing to put up with that.
So that's part of the issue.
There are also issues of personnel and who's running the program and all kinds of other political things that come into play.
One of the ways of looking at it that I've looked at is on New Year's.
Y2K is the one I spent most time on, but we've looked at it for the other New Year's that we have in the database as well.
The interesting thing about New Year's is that it's a very predictable moment, typically around five seconds, that happens at the transition of New Year's in each time zone.
So for Y2K, since it had the largest effect, I looked at the seven years of New Year's that we have, and five of them showed similar effects in the same direction, and two years, for some reason, had effects in the opposite direction.
I don't know why.
So I looked in more detail at Y2K and decided to separate the time zones from high population time zones and low population time zones.
As it turns out, that for the time zones that are over the Pacific Ocean and pieces of the Atlantic, there's hardly anybody there.
And then for the rest, over land masses, there's lots of people.
So I created a partition of approximately 6 billion people in some of the time zones and somewhere around 5 or 6 million people in the remainders, mostly islands in the Pacific.
And if we're dealing with something that is related to human consciousness, then we would expect a much larger effect for the 6 billion people than for the 6 million people.
Yeah, so that suggests that the whales and dolphins don't care, or they don't know that Y2K is occurring, and the insects don't seem to care, nor do the rocks.
In fact, more active in this project now as the leader in retirement because he has other duties he doesn't have to do anymore.
So that's why the website has been changed recently to that Roger and others are refining it and they've split it more clearly into two parts.
There's a part that has to do with the technical and the scientific side and then the second part which has to do with the aesthetic and poetic notions of global consciousness.
Last May the major analysts got together for a conference and we were discussing what should we do next and what are the analyses that we want to focus on next.
Well, part of the issue is looking at things like these impulse events.
Given now that we have almost eight years of data, we're able to look at long-term trends.
We're beginning to look at things like environmental issues and whether they make a difference.
For a long time, we've been discussing the notion of having a parallel network.
I mean, in order to really nail down the issue of what is causing this effect, is it us, the experimenters, or is it the world?
One way to do that would be to have a completely parallel network that we don't look at the data until we've already analyzed the data in the first network.
And that way, if we get an interesting effect in the first network, then we go back and look at the second one, and if we get the effect there as well, it begins to lessen the possibility that we created it somehow.
This is the same reason why we look at even and odd seconds.
The love study refers to an experiment in entangled minds and bodies where you take a couple and a bonded couple of some type, typically a spouse or spouses, and separate them in two places, monitor both of their physiologies, and stimulate one of them with the live video image of the other.
Overall, if you combine all of the people, 40 couples went through this, it's very clear evidence that one person's thought does have an impact on another person's body.
What we have not found is significant evidence that the training made any difference.
And I think it's partially because there's a strong correlation between the degree to which the sending person responds to the stimulus and the degree to which the receiver reacts.
So in the worst case, you have a sender, like a sender-receiver pair.
The sender falls asleep, and so they're not responding at all.
In that case, the receiver doesn't respond at all either.
So oftentimes people don't fall asleep in the experiment, but if you've been doing a daily meditation practice for three months, you get so used to having your body become very relaxed so quickly that you simply don't respond very much anymore to any kind of stimulus.
So I think what we may be seeing here, that what appears to be evidence that the training is not working, might be confounded by the fact that the trained people are simply not reacting as much.
And we can see that because we look at the physiology of the sender, and the trained senders are not responding as much as the untrained senders.
When we look at the receivers in this experiment, the way that their body responds is not exactly the same way that the sender responds, because after all, the receiver in this experiment are sitting in a shielded room for 30 minutes and nothing happens.
They're just sitting there.
Of course, they're wired up.
But you can tell when you look at the physiological reaction that it is as though they're just sitting there quietly and they suddenly get a small startle, as though they heard their name called.
Something whispered.
Something catches their attention.
And when that happens, the body goes through a very predictable sequence of changes, and that's the kind of change that we see.
So it's as though, psychically, they're picking up that attention that's being placed on them.
And that's probably what's happening in the case of a dog that's responding.
Suddenly, attention is there, and they pay attention to it.
So if we had the opportunity of scanning through a million people or a million couples, we could probably find a couple that was as good as that dog was.
You know, you mentioned whispering and whispering in the ear earlier in the program that you get to hear things about research that's going on perhaps not so publicly without telling us who's doing that research.
Can you give us an idea of what areas of research are being pursued privately and quietly?
And so I wrote this up, and it'll appear in my next book that's coming out.
And it's just one class of a number of different classes of experiments that show this stuff is real.
So these kinds of information has penetrated out into people in academia and they're interested and some are beginning to replicate it and successfully so.
But the other area which is I think much more radical and in a sense more interesting is precognition.
People are looking at unconscious precognition in the body.
And one way of thinking of it is you talk about precognition, everybody freaks out because it's very difficult to get your mind wrapped around it.
But if you talk about it in terms of intuition, unconscious intuition or preconscious processing, there are lots of euphemisms that are used for this now.
People are beginning to replicate experiments that I started back in 1995 because they're basically very standard psychophysiology experiments, and it's easy to hide what you're interested in.
And I now know a number of groups that have been doing this and have been successful.
But it's quite different than what's happening in an individual.
Maybe it was an effect of lots of individuals.
But actually, this reminds me that we found it, last time I was on, I talked about an effect we found that was a precognitive effect in some of our online games.
And I found another one that has actually confirmed the first one.
Okay, so we have a remote viewing test at gotsci.org.
It's a simple test where the user is asked to describe a picture that the computer will randomly select.
And the way that they do this is they enter some words in a box, and then the words are matched against the actual picture when it shows up.
So I was thinking, maybe if premonitions are intruding in people's thoughts, that before 9-11, maybe people would be describing things having to do with terrorism.
Because they're being asked to be in a reverie state and to imagine what's about to show up.
The thing is, all of the pictures, in fact, in this set, there's 200 pictures, they're all very benign things.
They're animals and scenery and beaches and that sort of thing.
Nothing that would be considered terrorism.
But nevertheless, I figured, let's go look.
So I started looking on September 9th, 2001.
On September 9th, which was a Sunday at 8.48 Eastern Time, a user wrote three, had three trials in a row, and these are the words that this person wrote.
Airliner seen from left rear against stormy cloud backdrop, flashes of streaky clouds, two persons.
That's what the person entered for at the first trial, which was a really bad description of the picture that ultimately came up.
So his very next trial said, firstly, a dragonfly with a question mark, then a log or branch suggestive of the Everglades, then a fast, dynamic scene of falling between two tall buildings past checkered patterns of windows.
Followed by a third trial where he says, tall structure like an industrial chimney, flashes of rounded crenulated form, peacock-like headdress of American Indian woman, then surface-like volcanic ash plume or cauliflower.
If you take these three trials, and this, by the way, was all that this person entered, these three trials, those trials together are very much like an oppressionistic snapshot or a way of describing what happened without saying exactly what it was.
And then the next day, September 10th, 2001, at 5 p.m. Eastern Time, somebody writes, it is of something falling.
It will be a chaotic scene.
Another person says, intense, too hot to handle, lasting.
Is the coast clear?
They were checking the coast.
And then the last one that matched was a series of 11 trials that a person entered one hour before the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center.
And these are the words.
White House, gone in the blink of an eye, scald, man's folly, band red, surging, palace, not easily conned, U.S. Power Base, Flexing Muscles, and Surprise.
So there were 900 trials that were entered between September 9th and September 11th, 2001.
So I decided to look through the entire database, which consisted of 256,000 trials, to see whether there may have been more terrorism kinds of words that were said approaching 9-11.
And the way to do it then is to match not the exact words, because what you really want is a concept match.
So I wrote a program that would match the words that people entered for each trial against these words.
Airplane, falling, explode, fire, attack, terror, disaster, pentagon, and smoke.
depressed them, a natural human reaction to something too overwhelmingly disastrous to even Yeah, even if you didn't consciously know to the World Trade Center buildings were going down, if you didn't know that consciously, it didn't matter.
You had this impending feeling of something really big and not so good, and so your brain automatically locked it out so you could take care of business.
So if you look at these two tests now, the CAR test and this remote viewing test, the combined odds against chance of seeing such a large drop so close to 9-11 are odds of 1.8 million to 1.
So it really does suggest that people's behavior collectively really did change before that event.
And there are other dips and valleys throughout the database, but nothing as deep as these two points.
Well, so that seems to be what happens here, that we find people who occasionally are just incredibly good, but they don't really know how they did it.
You know, they spontaneously did it somehow.
And then when they're asked to try to do it again, they can't.
My feeling would be that if there were quite a number of individuals out there with a tremendous amount of talent, that they might, after reflection, not really want it known.
Well, there's a difference between demonstrating an ability for purposes of science, where the person is not identified, and something quite different where someone wants to now go on the tonight show and make a big splash.
I mean, if half of all reported spontaneous effects occur in the dream state, and there are tens of thousands of such cases, this is probably more common than people know.
But you know, there is interesting research now coming out of people who work in hospices where someone who's near death may be in a coma for a long time, and then just before they die, they become lucid, almost as though they really do know that death is approaching.
Dean, those are a couple interesting words, absolute proof.
Where do the numbers have to go with the work you're doing for that gong to ring, and even the most cynical of scientists out there to say, throw up their hands and say, the numbers are too big?
And if you get really controversial, and of course this is, oftentimes people will have to do experiments themselves to convince themselves that these effects really are true.
Fortunately, these phenomena are very common.
If you ask any average audience whether they're scientists in it or not, you always get between 50 and 70 percent of people admitting to at least one form of psychic phenomena.
That means that these kinds of things go on all the time.
And the reason why scientists are interested in this is not necessarily because they look at the scientific articles, but because they have an experience.
And they become curious like everyone else in trying to figure out how does that work.
I was reading the articles and saying, this is nonsense.
This doesn't match anything that I've ever been taught.
But if it's true, it would be really amazing.
So I started doing experiments.
And so people ask me, what are my amazing psychic experiences?
And the answer is the experiments that I did.
Not the personal things that happened to me, but the experiments that I did because they were controlled.
And if you get an interesting result under controlled conditions, at least for me, that is much more powerful than something which happens spontaneously.
Well, the hypothesis is that if mind and matter are related in some way, that when one side of that equation, namely the mind side, becomes very coherent, or because of all of the attention paid on a world event, that the other side of the equation, namely the matter, would also become coherent.
What does coherence mean in matter?
It means order, some form of unexpected order.
And so we use random number generators because the only unexpected thing that can happen to a random system is to become ordered.
Yeah, and I just wanted to make a comment, actually.
we can measure consciousness, if it is a very radiant energy source, perhaps we could use that to map the universe as far as, you know, finding beacons of life and consciousness on other planets, right?
Let's say that our brain and our conscience is like a Las Vegas odds maker.
And it absorbs every news story, every newspaper article, every opinion, just everything that we come into contact with from the time that we're kids.
And it constantly just generates odds of, you know, such as like a terrorist attack, tensions building, you know, stuff that we overlook every day, but our brain is clicking out the odds from what we observe.
And as it draws near and the odds of something happening becoming greater, that our brain sends us signals saying, hey, you know, wake up.
What if there's a sinister side to this, that it may be like a black ops project with massive mind control, and you're calling in on these, you're dowing up into a computer net and giving them the results they want to know?
Well, through supplemental messages or high-like frequencies or whatever.
I think part of the idea of the sinister side of all of this stuff comes about because of our natural fear of the unknown.
I don't really think I mean, I know that in principle people could use these abilities either in a positive or negative way, but as we said before, positive and negative are relative.
So it's not clear to me that it's so easy to always know.
And the fear element of it is always there.
I mean, it's true that within the government there are folks who would have the face the giggle factor, but there's also a fear factor.
And so that's just part of the unknown.
It's not just this area, it's any area where there are things that are unknown.
Recently, I haven't had much of a chance to do it, but I've been using it to boost my psychic abilities and remote view Sasquatch up here in the Pacific Northwest.
And my kids have seen it a few times.
And having increased my psychic ability, I've won little bits here and there on Lotto and things like that.
It's not anything magical about the test, of course.
It's more that any time you use discipline in training yourself to do something with your mind, you're going to get better at it.
So I can accept that people can use these games, since they're very simple and compelling, to train themselves to become more and more intuitively attuned.
Issues of life and death are the number one topic or number one subject for any kind of psychic experience, whether it's a premonition or telepathy or anything else.
So it's not too surprising because the importance and the motivational factors are very, very extreme.
Yeah, but of course people who wish to look for evidence for survival put that lower on their list of possibilities because they would rather believe that it's coming from some kind of spirit.
And by comparison, we don't know anything about psi in the dead.
I mean, not directly.
So it's simply when you use Occam's razor on the evidence to try to decide what are you going to believe, my guess is, my sense of the evidence is that we're dealing with things having to do with living people and not departed people.
I wish that's not true.
And I'm ready to believe it, but that there's some form of consciousness that survives, but I haven't been convinced yet.
So it's not necessarily a natural extension of the work you're doing, which seems mystical and incredible enough to take that other jump to the other side and imagine that somehow survives in all that is so holistic.