Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad recounts his band’s 1970s hits like We’re an American Band—inspired by Vietnam-era fan interactions—and UFO sightings, including a 200-foot saucer in 1968 and strange lights during Florida sessions. Retired Command Sergeant Major Robert O. Dean reveals NATO’s 1961 Red Alert over 3,000-mph objects, later confirmed as extraterrestrial surveys, and Minot AFB’s 1982 ICBM sabotage by UFOs. Skeptical of full disclosure due to societal collapse risks, Dean cites genetic manipulation theories, suppressed NASA evidence (e.g., Mount Ararat photos), and FEMA’s Cold War-era COG facilities, while Farner’s Cherokee heritage and From Grand Funk to Grace tie his family’s WWII legacy to broader cosmic narratives. Both warn of hidden agendas—whether alien or governmental—as Dean’s remote viewing claims suggest humanity’s immortal purpose amid existential threats. [Automatically generated summary]
The band, you might recall, recorded a total of 17 albums, total sales, more than 25 million records.
Mark Farner is the unmistakable voice, guitarist, and songwriter that powered the original Grand Funk Railroad to 12 platinum and 15 gold albums.
After only three guitar lessons, Mark put various bands together in the mid-60s.
Mark and his bands played the usual dates at a teenage band to play.
You know, high school dances, VFW halls, wedding receptions, stuff like that.
Upon leaving high school, Mark turned pro, worked with Terry Knight and the PAC, The Boss Man with Dick Wagner, then just the PAC, this time with no Terry Knight, but with drummer Don Brewer.
In 1969, Mark started the original Grand Funk Railroad with teenage friends Mel Shaker, Shaker, I hope I have that right, and Don Brewer, one of the first American power trios, was hence born.
Mark and Grand Funk hit big just several months after forming.
They were the only unsigned act on the show.
When they opened the first day of the Atlanta International Pop Festival in July of 1969, Mark and Grand Funk Railroad played before 180,000 people in 110-degree heat, and there was so much acclaim that they were invited back to close the show the very next day following their hugely successful Atlanta appearance.
The band was signed by Capitol Records, and their first gold album, On Time, was recorded and released within four months.
The saga of Grand Funk Railroad is very well documented.
The albums included such titles as Grand Funk Railroad, Survival, Live Album, Closer to Home, E Pluribus Funk, Phoenix, Good Singing, Good Playing, Caught in the Act, All the Girls in the World, Beware, among others.
The hit singles, of course, you'll recognize I'm Your Captain, Close to Home, Footstomp and Music, We're an American Band, The Locomotion, Mean Mistreater, Bad Time, Some Kind of Wonderful, and others.
In 71, Mark and the original Grand Funk Railroad set the attendance record at New York Shea Stadium for a concert surpassing the record by the Beatles in 1966.
Did you know that?
And a record that, by the way, still stands today about 30 years later.
In early 77, Grand Funk called it quits after taking a year or so off.
Mark Farner, though, signed a solo deal with Atlantic Records, issued two critically acclaimed albums, Mark Farner and No Frills.
In 81, a reunited Grand Funk Railroad recorded two new albums, Grand Funk Lives for Full Moon Warner Brothers Records, and What's Funk?
Mark released four contemporary Christian albums from 1983 through 94, earning a Dove nomination, reaching the number two chart position with the John Bland composition, Isn't It Amazing?
His continuous touring schedule kept him in contact with both his longtime Grand Funk fans and the new fans that first noticed Mark during his solo years.
In 95, Mark toured with Ringo Starz All-Star Band, then toured with the Northwest Airlines All-Stars in 96 before reuniting with Don Brewer and Mel Schacher for a series of benefit concerts that were recorded, released on the double live CD Bosnia for Capital EMI.
Mark toured with the reunited Original Grand Funk Railroad in 96, 97, and 98, and was named to Polestar's Top 100 Tours of 1998.
VH1, in fact, featured Mark and the original Grand Funk Railroad on a behind-the-music special that has been airing since early 1999.
Since 99, Mark Farner has been touring with his own band, Energy.
That's NRG Energy.
They're featured on a live DVD recorded at Itchikoop Park Rock Festival and have released two CDs, Red, White, and Blue, and Live Energy recorded in 2003.
A new studio CD is currently being recorded, not slowing down a bit.
Mark Farner continues to electrify audiences with a mix of his original grand funk hits and music from throughout his 35-year professional career.
Believe me, your records hit it so hard and so big that everybody played them.
And that must have really felt, I guess, in the beginning.
What did it feel like when all of a sudden your records were getting played nationwide?
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Well, we were touring.
We were doing two major tours a year and then doing two studio albums a year.
So we were kind of used up and didn't really realize until well into, you know, years into it, just how big the band had actually gotten.
We were kind of kept from the media by the manager, Terry Knight, who recently passed away.
He was actually murdered in an apartment in Texas at his daughter's apartment.
yeah, Terry wanted to create a mystique, and that's what he was telling us, anyways.
But we found out that that was giving him the opportunity to do interviews and claim himself to be the mentor and creator of all of the great things that were going on with Grant Fox.
The world has changed an awful lot since those days.
I see it, and you must too.
I mean, what do you see that's so different around you now?
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Well, from, you know, I've stayed in the music business for all these years, Art, and from my perspective, the freedom that you once had and a lot of my brother DJs out there to grab something while you were on vacation, you know, a tune that you heard while you were in Miami or something, and you come back and spin it for the folks that you're locally broadcasting to.
You're a DJ sitting there.
You're a personality, a real person.
It's like those days are gone.
They sure are.
And we don't have that kind of influence, that kind of personal touch in the radio.
Moreover, it's not even to me, it's not even music.
I mean, music had a certain criterion it had to live up to, like, I don't know, having a melody for starters, some kind of melody anyway.
And then a message on top of that.
The music in the 60s, 50s, 60s, 70s, maybe a few early 80s, that all had a message to it, one kind or another.
Exactly.
And I don't know how important, I mean, today, there's records that, you know, they talk about killing, they talk about murder, they talk about killing police and incredible stuff like that.
How important is the message in music then and now?
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It's critical.
It will remain to be critical because these words that you and I say, brother, are very critical.
If the truth is contained in what we say, it's critical that people get it.
If lies are contained in what we say, it's going to be critical on them.
You know, we're teaching our kids, we're trying to teach our kids how to be real in a make-believe world.
Really, it's all under the illusion of the value of money.
And that's why I'm saying today, you know, if our kids are listening to music urging them to kill cops or something, is that message every bit as strong and as real and as impressive as the one then?
I would guess, huh?
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You got it.
You got it.
And I mean, I have four sons, and I look and I'm, you know, I try to listen to some of the music that they're listening to part of the time.
Because my youngest son, Jesse, is the one that's listening to the country.
But then I got a 22-year-old and a 25-year-old and a 27-year-old.
And they all listen to different kinds of music.
So I try to listen to it because I know that there's a message in there.
And I know that there's a young person who's pissed off and he's trying to get his message across in the best way that he knows how or they know how.
And I've listened to some good music, I mean, some good lyrics, but it's just hard for me to listen to because it doesn't have the criteria that I'm looking for, which is like you said, art.
There were songs about, I don't know, a lot of things, just playing old rock and roll, partying and whatever, but not the kind of stuff we have today.
And I guess I'm wondering how much of an influence it has on the way our society is going to act as they grow up.
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Well, I think we're going to see.
It's not going to be good already because of, you know, when I was young, we didn't have TV for a while.
I mean, I listened to the Lone Ranger and the Creek and Door and stuff on the radio.
I remember, you know, sitting with my cousins and listening to the radio.
And then TV comes along and projects all these images into our young people's minds.
And today, TV is so, God, it's so corrupt.
I mean, as far as, you know, they promote violence and they glorify guns and drug use.
They glorify all this stuff and make video games for our kids to play where they can chop people's heads off and knock their, I mean, you know, bloods running down the hallways and it's all this violence, violence, violence.
There actually was a new video game the other day that CNN ran a story on.
You know, the central theme of the video game is how many police you can kill in the game.
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Unbelievable.
Yeah, and it's in this world that we're living in where we're hearing that music, I think that those images that have been projected into their young minds are validated.
We're raising soldiers.
I mean, these kids that are playing the video games, they see a commercial that the Air Force is running on, and this guy is sitting in this Mach 3 helicopters up, you know, and everywhere he turns his head, the laser sight turns the gun, and it seems like a big video game.
So it's fun and games until their buddy falls dead next to them and his blood is soaking into the sand.
You know, we got back together after I did the Ringo Star Tour.
We got back together in 96.
And they wanted me to stop touring.
Don and Mel wanted me to stop touring solo for the time period that I was going to be out with them.
And I said, well, I'll do that, but only for two years.
And I actually put in an additional year because the first year was kind of light.
We were being booked by Punch Andrews, Bob Seeger's manager, and managed by them.
And we moved on after that and did the behind the music thing with a VH1.
But at the end of that third year, then I was going to go back and do my solo, like I told them.
And then they went, well, we want to keep going.
I said, well, too bad because the agreement was two years and I put in three, so I'm really going to go do this.
I can't do this anymore.
You know, I mean, the reunion was fun, but I got my solo career.
And we had talked about this previously.
And then all of a sudden, they go, well, we remember you saying that, but we don't remember it being two years.
Anyways, it was just a bunch of crap.
And because the corporation, GFR, controls the trademark.
See, Don Brewer came to me one day, and he's gone to law school.
And I never graduated high school, which I'm not proud of that.
But just to let you know that I don't know much about law in itself.
But Don told me that if I signed my ownership of the corporation or my trademark into the corporation, that it would have some kind of a protective umbrella or something.
It sounded good to me, and I said, okay, cool, let's do it.
And then the next thing you know, they're voting me out, telling me they're going to go on the road and they're going to get replacements for me.
And there's not a thing I can do about it because I'm only one-third of the corporation.
Is it a natural thing to occur because you're always worried that, you know, like you're just part, your success is just because you're part of a group.
It's my story, which includes the years of Grand Funk, but also tells about my father, who was a War II vet tank driver in the 7th Armored Division, my mother, who was the first female welder at Fisher Body, where they were making Sherman tanks, the kind that my dad drove.
Yeah, it's quite a story.
Christopher Engelhardt, the author, is a Michigan resident, knows the whole history of Michigan and the different groups that, of course, a lot of music came out of Michigan because I believe from the auto factories being there that it drew people from all over the United States, different various types of musical tastes, especially from, well, my mother's side of the family was Leechville, Arkansas.
And my grandpa Cotton, Uncle Woody, everybody moved to Flint, Michigan to get these high-paying auto factory jobs.
It brought a lot of musicians into the area that combined their musical talents with other musicians who were brought in from there.
And so we had a nice pool of talent in Michigan.
A lot of bands came out of the area.
And so Chris put together the whole book in a really good way.
I mean, you know, kids, he's very meticulous about detail.
And I'm very satisfied with the job that was done on it.
Well, you know, he had a rough experience with a garden.
And I wonder if that translates.
I mean, sometimes when you go and you play and you lay down the old stuff and you lay down the new stuff, do you ever get a garden party kind of feeling?
You know, like they want to hear the old stuff.
They don't want to hear the new stuff?
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Well, I keep enough of it in there.
And because I've got so much music to pull from all the albums, the people that, you know, the hardcore fans that come to see me, they like to hear all that three-piece stuff that I just, you know, some obscure song like People Let's Stop the War.
And actually you've got plenty to pull from that's old, really.
Yeah.
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Yeah, and I don't do, you know, the contemporary Christian albums that I made, actually there was three of them.
One was like a compilation.
That was on a contemporary Christian label.
But when I would go to churches and when I would, you know, play at these religious functions and tell people that, you know, God didn't need their money and stuff, I mean, I wasn't welcome back to a whole lot of things.
See, I believe in unconditional love, and that's the way I read it, and that's the way it works for me.
It's the unconditional love of God shown to all people from the beginning to the end of time, and he loves us all the same, and we're all in, and any of this other crap don't apply.
First I got into the religious part of it, and I jumped through the religious hoops because I thought, you know, here I was a sinner sinning my ass off out here in the world.
I better go to church and get saved.
And so I went through all of the motions.
And, you know, that was, it's not fulfilling because you've got to do things.
I mean, you've got to become like that whatever sect of Christianity it is.
I mean, there's over 2,000 denominations of the Protestant faith alone.
Which one do you pick to go to?
And there's all kinds of spin-offs and different Catholicism and everything you can get into that's the Bible.
But anybody that's not preaching the unconditional love or teaching the unconditional love is teaching a false Jesus because that was supposed to be the propitiation for all sins of all the world for all time.
In view of the way you feel and your religion, I've heard that you had a UFO signing.
Absolutely.
And I'd be most interested to hear about it and how it fits into what you believe.
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Okay.
Well, let me tell you about it.
It was the first one I saw, which was the most up close and real, it was only maybe 100 yards away from us.
I say us, because once I pulled in the driveway with the keyboard player, I was his embossman at the time, and the keyboard player, Warren Keith, who ended up playing piano for Hank Williams Jr., he was driving his Cadillac.
We pulled in at my folks' house to stop over and sleep until, you know, it was like 3 o'clock in the morning when we got there.
We were going to get up and go the rest of the way in the morning.
So I go up and I'm crawling through the window because we had an old farmhouse and the skeleton keys were gone and we just locked the screen door.
And she'd leave, my mother would leave a sliding window unlocked.
I'd slide it open, crawl through, and I'm about halfway in, halfway out, and I hear Warren give this war hoop out in the driveway and I would just bust my ass.
I'd jump off the porch.
I run out there.
And he dropped his satchel alongside of him and he's just standing there looking off into the field across the street.
And I ran past the shadow of the corner of the house because it's like a full moonlit night.
And as soon as I broke into the moonlight, I looked over there and here is this flying saucer.
And I mean, this thing had to be 200 feet in diameter.
It was huge.
It was in that like a haze.
It had some lights, little tiny lights twinkling around the middle of it, kind of like if the sun hits a woman's diamond, how she throws the brass, it's throw the colored light.
So with that kind of an experience, if you think they're not of this earth, that would change a lot of things.
Actually, you know, we go around about this all the time on this program, you know, spirituality and religion versus the possibility that what if we were put here by them?
That's, you know, it's all speculation, of course.
But after seeing that, and let me tell you just one little addition to that art because my cousin who lived in the neighboring town had a water business, sold water softeners, water distillers, you know, water purifiers.
And he was into it.
I was out seeing him, and I was telling him, this is the first time I'd ever told anybody about this because my mother told us if we had ever said anything to anybody that she was, you know, she was going to kill us because back then, in 68, of course, it was all the swamp gas and the weather balloons and all these things that people said were UFOs.
And they came off as kooks in the paper.
And she didn't want to be a kook or any of us to be labeled as kooks.
I can see it just blasted up through it, so it would have left like a smoke ring.
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Yeah, and in the morning when I got up, which was, you know, real early because I was still excited about seeing this thing, I look out the window and I'm looking.
I know I'm not going to see it, but I'm looking for any kind of trace.
And man, that smoke ring was still there, about maybe 10 times larger than it was when it started, but still rolling.
You're lucky that you have other people that saw it.
A lot of people.
Oh, you know, they have these sightings alone, and I guess for the rest of their life, they have to wonder if this was something, you know, a product of their own brain somehow or another.
We were at a recording studio in Florida, and we saw, well, we couldn't make out the crafts, but we saw the lights and the radical movements of these crafts that were over the ocean.
And Mel had gone out to smoke a cigarette, and he come running back in.
He says, you guys, come and see this, man.
I can't believe him what's going on out here.
And we all walked out there and said, got to be UFOs.
Nothing moves like that.
I mean, straight down a hard 90 at a fast rate of speed.
Do you have any personal theories, Mark, on whether, I don't know, whether contact actually has been made, whether this is something that our government is fully aware of and has made some sort of deal with them?
Many people believe that.
You think that our government knows what the hell is flying around in our skies?
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Well, I believe so.
I do.
I do have, I won't mention any names, but I do have friends that are in the government that told me and showed me a few things that made me aware that the government is fully aware of what's going on.
Do me a favor if you ever have the opportunity to talk to this female again and she would like to let loose or blow the whistle, as it were, we're available.
Just, you know, a couple of days of heavy mourning, and we both looked at each other and said, let's get a kitten.
So raced to the phone, called the animal shelter.
They were closed too late.
You know me, day sleeper, Ryan.
So I thought, you know what?
We own a radio station.
Why don't we put an announcement on the air and see if anybody's got any kittens ready for adoption?
And so I put on one announcement, one very tiny brief announcement.
You know, if anybody had a litter and they had kittens, and by the time that announcement, two seconds had passed, I might not have even finished airing, and the phone rang.
He said, I've got exactly what you need.
And boy, did he ever, right across town here in Trump, Newly born.
Dusty was the first one handed to me when I worked, walked through the door.
I put her on my knee.
Mama jumped up and they said, gee, that's strange.
She never gets on laps.
Licked her little kitty goodbye.
And Dusty has been ours.
Dusty, well, I'll tell you more about Dusty as time goes on, but Dusty is.
If you could actually maintain this level of energy and harness it, you would solve the nation's oil problems.
Anyway, that's a little dusty in the webcam photograph.
Be my guest.
Take a look.
God, what a bundle of joy.
All right.
Coming up, actually an extension of last hour in a way.
But I think it's going to be shocking for you.
I have a feeling this is going to be a, I don't know, kind of a shocking interview.
Robert Dean, retired actually, Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean, served on the front lines of Korea and Vietnam as a highly decorated combat veteran.
Stationed at NATO SHAPE Command Headquarters in France during the 60s, he had access to classified documents confirming government knowledge of the extraterrestrial reality.
A prominent and internationally recognized speaker, he has countless television, radio, video, and news documentary appearances to his credit.
In addition, Mr. Dean has been involved in UFO research for more than 40 years and has been honored with two Lifetime Achievement Awards for his contribution to the world of ufology.
That said, I think you're in for a really big shock coming up.
I was trying to get I and a bunch of guys that I worked with closely together, a lot of active duty and retired fellows from all of the services, Air Force, Army, Navy.
We created what we call the Old Boys Network.
And we tried simply by speaking out publicly at conferences and such, and radio interviews, to get people's attention to the fact that we were addressing the greatest issue, and I believed it then and believe it now, the greatest issue in the history of the human race.
And that's simply that we're not alone and we've never been alone.
And what we tried to do, and many of us were, you know, taking a chance, we violated our national security oaths.
Over the years, we wanted Congress to have open hearings, and we promised Congress that we would fill their hearing room with hundreds of retiree and even active duty guys who would tell the truth on the issue.
Robert, I'm friends with some people pretty high up in ufology in more ways than one, and I won't name them, but they tried to get a hearing going in Congress.
Well, Art, it seems that we're facing a monolithic problem here.
There is what I call, and I think you're probably pretty aware of it, what we would call the black government.
And this organization or this group of people actually exist.
Now, you don't read about them in the newspaper, and they're not the kind of people that you see elected to the House or to the Senate, and they're not the kind of people that get appointed to national office.
I think that they're simply trying to control the reality of the massive extraterrestrial presence, to keep it from the mass of people, and to utilize it to contain and control the power they've got.
Yeah, we signed a treaty with the Brits primarily, and this Yucusa treaty was an agreement that the United States, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand would share sensitive national security information only among themselves.
Now, that treaty still exists, and that organization still exists.
All right, but that referred to traditional national security, if there is such a word as it applies to national security.
I mean, I do understand such a treaty, but do we know for sure that that included the existence of extraterrestrial presence on Earth and perhaps even technology from them?
But in 1950, they included the extraterrestrial reality because it became apparent, I think, to the British government and to the American government that in terms of national security for all of the signees of the pact, that the extraterrestrial reality was one of the most sensitive and dangerous areas of all.
And they still continued that, and we still share with the Brits, and the Brits share with us and the Australians, good God, Art, one of our biggest national security agency facilities, is located smack dab in the middle of Australia at a place called Pine Gap.
Art, over the years, I've cultivated a lot of contacts and a lot of friends.
I was in the military for 27 years, and then I worked in FEMA for another 14 years, and I maintained a high security classification through all of those years of government service.
And I had access to and coordination and communication with people from all services all over the country and all over the world.
Art, I've had people come up to me in England when I was speaking at conferences over there who shared information with me off the record.
And we respected each other.
We learned to trust each other.
And I've been provided information over the years that literally curled my hair.
And I was able to share information with some of them.
During those years I had those clearances, Art, I had access to classified material.
I had a cosmic top secret while I was at Shape NATO.
Digging, peeling out, pulling information out, sharing with people.
You know, there was a kind of a fellowship among professional military people.
And we took advantage of that.
We developed a level of trust among ourselves.
And we shared information because many of them, not merely myself, have been convinced from the very beginning that this extraterrestrial reality is so important.
Flying out of the east toward the west, flew over France, flew over Germany, over the southern coast of England, and these objects flew in formation at a very high altitude and a very high rate of speed.
And they turned north over the southern coast of England and they disappeared off NATO radar over the Norwegian Sea.
Anyhow, an Air Force colonel who was the controller on duty that morning, he saw that I was kind of nodding off and I was bored and twiddling my thumbs.
He went to the vault and pulled this document out.
He threw it on my desk and he said, Master Sergeant, read this.
Art, they started it in 1961 based on this one particular incident.
But they had devoted a full three years to analyzing and trying to figure out just what the hell was going on, what are these objects, who do they belong to, where are they coming from, and why are they here?
They published the document in 1964 in the summer.
I took a look at it, and my life changed.
I has never really ever been the same.
And that was the beginning for me, Art.
That kicked off what I call a 40-year research program of trying to really come to terms what's going on.
They concluded, first of all, that it was not a military threat to Allied forces in Europe, which was the whole reason the study was established.
In the three-year study, they concluded that apparently we have been under some kind of a survey or observation for a very long time by one or more got this extraterrestrial civilization.
Now, they published this in NATO in 64 art.
I was to learn later that our own government had known this as early as 1950.
But Robert, you know, even in years, years later, years later, the U.S. government and the military continues to say, whatever these things are, we've concluded that they are not a threat to national security.
That's exactly what the NATO study concluded in 1964.
They concluded, Art, that if these objects, if this civilization, if this technology were hostile or malevolent, that the game would have been up a long time ago.
They repeatedly demonstrated technology that was so far beyond anything we had.
Art, they used to fly circles around our high-performance fighters.
They would do foolish things.
They would make us, you know, they went out of their way, apparently, to show us what they could do, what they were capable of.
And the conclusions reached is that they apparently were not malevolent or hostile.
They also concluded in'64 that this had been going on for a hell of a long time.
Robert, I described a kind of a cycle a few minutes ago, and, you know, my good friend John Lear, I've known John a long, long time now, and he's a very wise man, but he, like everybody, has their ups and their downs.
And John has come to me a couple times and said, hey, Art, you know, I want to go on the air and just say, I don't believe in this anymore.
I don't, you know, it was all a bunch of junk.
I mean, he's come full circle in a lot of ways, Robert.
And he reached the same conclusion I have, that it's too soon, the people are not ready, and the government is sure as hell not ready to let anything out.
Well, I don't remember it exactly, Art, but I can tell you a few basic reasons that I've concluded about why this can't come out Not only now, but maybe not for another 50 years.
And that is that the theological implications are absolutely mind-boggling.
There has been evidence that has been collected by respectable people in the military and in the national security agencies over the years that these intelligences, one in particular, but there are several, at least I knew about four different groups that are some time back.
Listen, this one in MyNot Art, they not only got inside the silo, they lifted the lid off the damn thing, which I think is about 20 tons.
They lifted it off like you'd like, look, you and I would move a box of crackers.
They got in there.
They were hovering over the facility.
The kids in the security unit were practically having a fit.
This thing hovered over the silo, lifted the lid off.
When they finally got into it later, they found out that not only had the warhead been melted, but the computerized guidance system had been so scrambled that if the Minuteman had ever got out of the silo, God knows where it would have ever gone.
I do believe, and I'm sorry to tell you that because, you know, I spent all those years in FEMA, and we were trying to, we were working on the continuity of government and the nuclear threat and all the rest of it.
And I happen to remember that back during the years I was in FEMA, we had national policy that if something were to happen and something were to begin, they decided that they would not tell the public.
Well, I happen to know that the policy at the highest levels right now, and I've gotten this from some very, very dependable and reliable sources, that the policy is not to tell the public about the extraterrestrial reality.
And that if the guys upstairs, as the Canadian researcher years ago said, the boys upstairs, if they decide to end the cover-up, they can do it any damn time.
One of the things that we've been able to piece together over the years from a variety of sources, and I'm talking about extremely reliable sources of information, is that this one particular group, as I said, we knew of four.
There may be as many as a dozen, I don't know.
But we knew of four.
But the one particular group that seems to have an intimate involvement in us, I think these guys had a hand in our being here.
I think they had a hand in our being genetically manipulated a long time ago into Homo sapiens.
We have an investment, I think, in the human race.
They not only had a hand in creating us, every major religion on the planet tells you essentially the same story.
But they have had an intimate inter-relationship with us, and I say an intimate interrelationship with us, for good God, perhaps 10,000 years.
And these are the guys, I think, that would like to see the human race survive.
I really do believe that there is a level of benevolence there that they would like to see us make it, because I think they have a bit of an investment in us.
Hey, that is another one of the reasons why the cover-up.
How does a government decide one fine day, hey, let's go out and tell the American people, let's have an announcement, we'll have a big press conference, and we'll tell them everything we know.
So that's why people like John and myself, and we're not by ourselves, we've reached the conclusion, Art, that there's no way it's going to get divulged at any time soon.
You know, I've tried to talk to Stephen Greer about this.
They'll walk right into your living room, so to speak.
But I have learned a great deal with my remote viewing, and I tell you honestly, Art, it has brought me to a point where I have become totally aware of the immortality of the human soul.
It hasn't been an easy journey, but I've accepted that, and it's become very clear to me, and that's what I'm going to be devoting the remainder of my years to.
But if a large part of the population of the world actually hates our guts so much, hates us so much, has realized that there is no chance whatsoever that we will convert, then their position is that we have to be killed, that the infidels must die.
There is no bargaining they wish to do with us.
They've already, in their minds, tried that.
And so now the infidels must simply be killed.
That would be all of us.
Now, the Christian world is not about to change.
That's not happening.
So if this is not just Al-Qaeda, but this is a large part of the world, Robert, then we are looking at World War III.
And when they get the bomb, that could well be the beginning of the end, indeed.
So, you know, rather than fight a war, Robert, if we had irrefutable evidence that, in fact, our makers were not,
as we think, not God, if Jesus really did not walk on earth, if Buddha wasn't here, or wasn't the real thing, or if all of this is untrue, then why would it not be in the interest of a world organization,
an international organization that would have the knowledge you say they have, to go ahead and shock the world and shock the world so hard, so completely, so irrefutably, that all religions questioned their faith and realized there might not be any reason to fight.
In other words, why wouldn't revelation of all of this, you know, after the shock wore off, if it did, and if we didn't destroy ourselves just trying to, you know, digest that knowledge, but once we got past all that, if you could get past it, you would have a world that wouldn't want to kill each other because of different beliefs, because there'd only be one worth considering.
You know, Art, all the years that I spoke out and traveled and, you know, went at conferences and this and that, I had the belief, and to some degree I still hold this belief, that if we could learn the truth about the fact that we're not alone,
that we've never been alone, if we could learn the truth that we are a hybrid race, that we have been Created from a lower form, and that we have had an advanced intelligence deeply involved in our lives from the very beginning.
I had always believed that the release of that information would bring about an expansion of consciousness in the human race that would perhaps hopefully bring us all together.
Now, I still, to some level, believe that.
If we could get that information out to the people without having all hell breaking loose, that it might somehow bring us together.
But what I'm getting at is that after all hell broke loose and got finished doing as much as it was going to do, then you'd have a different world situation.
A lot of things are preferable to nuclear war, and that certainly would be one of them.
I, for one, would not have difficulty absorbing that knowledge without going berserk and getting a rifle and going to a high tower somewhere and picking off civilians or something.
It's almost impossible to find anything decent to watch anymore on television.
But I was surfing on the tube, and I surfed across a religious station, and art, so help me, God, there was a fundamentalist preacher on there that was literally frothing at the mouth.
I mean, he was so excited, and he was banging his fist and thumping his Bible, and he was literally screaming into the camera.
And I thought to myself, in the name of God, what is it that's stimulating this man to such frenzy?
The idea that Jesus of Nazareth was married and had a family and had kids?
Is that what it's all about?
And I thought to myself, that's frightening.
If this guy is even partially typical of his community, of the people he preaches to, you know, how can you bring out the reality of that that beautiful young man from Galilee 2,000 years ago really did live, was married, had kids, and probably some of those, you know, the family probably still exists.
And I don't know how I explain my audience, Robert.
I can only tell you that when we have things of this nature discussed, it would do my audience good to sit down and have to read my email, for example, the email that comes from the Bible Belt, from this big, monstrous population in Middle America.
And it's, if anything showed up, Robert, any alien creature at all showed up to these people, I promise you, it would not be an alien.
So I know it's true, but it's hard to impress some of the perhaps more sophisticated kids on both coasts and some throughout Middle America that believe differently.
And then, of course, there really is a force in this world that has decided we're not going to convert, therefore we need to be killed.
So I don't know what takes the place of that, Robert, other than the kind of knowledge you're talking about.
That would take the place of it.
If we got to the right people, Robert, if the right people decided to talk, could it be absolutely, irrefutably proven that it's true, that it's all true, that we've been getting visited for a very long time, and that these are our makers?
I keep having a little hope in the back of my mind.
You know, I've gotten kind of cynical as I've gotten older.
I'm an ornery old cuss.
I've tried to be civil and human and, you know, love everybody and all that.
But I've had a feeling in the back of My mind that maybe, just possibly, the gang upstairs, the boys upstairs, might decide to drop down and intervene in a big way.
Yes, if we got to a point where we were ready to trigger a nuclear war, I think that might happen.
They have already demonstrated time and time again in the Soviet Union and the United States that we're playing with this thermonuclear capability and they don't appreciate it, and they've let us know that.
I think, Art, they just might decide to have a massive, major intervention before we started a nuclear war.
Maybe I'm just grasping at straws that I hope that would happen.
In the meantime, one of the reasons I was pleased to be invited to come back on your show is that maybe we could reach a few people tonight, get a few people to think about the extent of this.
And I try very hard not to be cynical.
I mean, I've asked people, I've spoken to people publicly.
I said, what if you were to find out that their aliens are all over this planet?
They have major installations.
They have one inside of a mountain in Alaska.
They have one underground in the middle of Australia.
They have another one in the mountains of the Pyrenees, south of France.
If you tell them that the human race is a hybrid, that we have been genetically upgraded, that there have been what I like to call periodic intervention, that, you know, intelligent design, so to speak, that maybe a few people will come around and think, hey, these guys are not to be afraid.
Maybe they're pretty decent guys.
Maybe they're not demons after all.
But I've had mixed reviews, Art.
I've gotten along with a few people who accept that and others look at me like I'm a representative of the devil himself.
well a lot of people of course definitely don't want to believe any of this and very much hold on to to what they believe in this is true of Take me back to Inman, would you please?
Well, there have been several phone calls before he retired, actually, while he was still in the NSA.
A number of researchers have been able to reach him by phone.
And he's been very candid and honest.
And he says, well, much of this will come out eventually.
And that's about as far as he would go.
But I use him as an example of people who are in the very highest level of national security and government, who are now working for aerospace industries, who are probably the major secret holders of all time.
And what's interesting about it is that the guys that show up on the film, there were three golden discs that showed up, hovered over the runway there, and one landed.
And a bunch of guys got out, humanoids, you know, tall guys.
They didn't look exactly human.
Their eyes, their noses, and their faces were somewhat different.
Do you think, Robert, perhaps Stephen Greer aside, he may be a special case, but do you think that most other researchers from our era are getting close to this complete circle?
Not all come in ships because, well, we've had a number of very well-credentialed, very believable people come on the air and say they have seen, through night vision equipment and otherwise,
beings actually crawling out from some kind of hole, some sort of dimensional gap that suddenly appeared, and creatures or beings crawling out of these damn things.
Now, you have something to say about this multi-dimensional factor, don't you, Robert?
Yeah, that's one of the other factors that I think has scared the government so damn much is how do you accept, not only accept it to yourself, but explain to people that we are apparently living in a universe that's literally crammed with intelligent life.
And that apparently some of that intelligent life comes into our universe from time to time from other dimensions.
Art NIDS actually got that on film before they closed down their operation up there.
On top of, you know, and it's not funny, it's kind of sad, but on top of trying to get people to accept the idea that we're being visited from other planets and perhaps other star systems and other galaxies, how do you get them to get used to the idea that we've got people dropping in from other universes?
I think religion is one of the biggest obstacles that we face in trying to reach a point where we look upon each other as human fellows and brotherhood of the human race.
I think religion is probably one of the greatest obstacles.
But I think initially, the way they were taught, and initially the way they began, is that they probably attempted to do something fairly decent.
They tried to teach some basic laws about love and brotherhood and how to treat your fellow man and things to do and not to do.
You know, I think the Ten Commandments is an attempt to try to get these barbaric savages to stop pummeling the hell out of each other and get along together.
But over the years, human beings have taken religion and twisted it, used it for their own purposes, and now it's a barrier.
One of the reasons I'm doing remote viewing and one of the reasons I'm talking about it and encouraging other people to do it is it opens a doorway for you, a doorway, I call it, you know, to another realm of existence, a spiritual doorway, so to speak, that transcends religion.
I simply have learned over the years, in my 76 years, that I am an immortal soul, and I live forever, and I'm finishing up a 76-year educational experience inside of a three-dimensional human body.
And once I leave here, I will go off to another schoolroom somewhere else.
Or I might come back.
Reincarnation is a reality that I learned to accept years and years ago.
And as I told you earlier, when your presence, and I call it a soul travel, when you get into their presence, they sense that you're there.
I'm not sure how, but they do.
They sense that you're there, and they want to know who you are and what you're doing, nosing around in their world.
Yeah.
And so they have a tendency sometimes, you know, you get scared to death and you go whoops and you head back home, so to speak, and they'll sometimes follow you home.
And they walk right into your living room, you might say.
Now, I've interviewed over the years, Robert, a lot of ufologists, and there are a few who say the belief that all of these different aliens are friends of ours and wish us nothing but well is naive at best and really dangerous at worst, that a lot of them do not have our best interests at heart at all.
The one we live in, and the one that many of them are living in, that's true, Art.
There apparently are at least four, maybe a half a dozen different groups, and they have agendas that are different.
They have motives and purposes and agendas that are at variance to each other.
And some of them don't much like us as human beings.
They think of us as primitive and savage and dangerous.
And frankly, Art, so do I. But anyhow, there are those out there that they may not necessarily be malevolent, but they're sure as hell not benevolent either.
I was just wondering, I believe as an Orthodox Jew that possibly this is just a form of the one Creator and in his creation dealing with us as human beings as time progresses on.
And specifically when you were mentioning something about the Soviet nuclear and the American nuclear, how it was able to push and move away a 20-ton cover, I was thinking that's possibly that one creator caring for us as humans and making sure that we continue and understand that we shouldn't maybe delve into the wrong places.
What do you think about that possibly being that one creator?
I've reached that same conclusion that this one group art that's been trying to educate us, as it were, so to speak, over the years that this is a no-no and that should not be done.
And I think that they have a purpose of educating us to the point that we will stop playing silly-ass games with thermonuclear weapons.
That I think they really would like to see us survive.
You know, I've talked a lot with Zachariah Sitchin.
I've known him for years.
And, you know, he's got this attitude that the Anunnaki came down and genetically created us as a species.
And, well, that was their primary purpose, of course.
But they created us as a slave race.
And then along the way, a couple of their leaders decided that, you know, we had some potential.
And they started looking upon us as children and members of their family.
Now, I don't know whether it's the Anunnaki that Zechariah has been talking about that would like to see us make it, but I think this one group has made it very clear that they are basically benevolent, that they'd like to see the human race survive.
I wonder if it's in their specific personal interest to see us survive, or if our passing as a species would mean something truly negative to their species.
Well, like I said, I worked for Nassau and Wack and Hutt and Up at Right Pat and stuff like that.
You just don't really realize how right on you all are with what you've been saying tonight.
You're virtually pretty much right on track.
But the question I got for you was, you know, a person that's seen and knows some things, you know, you go tell people and no one believes you.
But why is it or who is it that holds their thumb over the media to the point that they won't go to do simple things that can verify all that, locations, where things are and stuff?
Well, when you consider the guys who own the media, I mean, they literally own it.
Those are the guys that make the decisions, I think, as to how much you're going to learn and how much they're going to let out and how much truth they're going to let you have this week and maybe next week.
And maybe next year we'll give you a little bit more.
I don't believe the media, and I've talked, I've been interviewed by guys, some of the major newspapers in this country.
And I've sat down with these reporters and I've given them an honest two hours of my time.
And I've laid out the stuff that I've seen, the stuff I've learned, the stuff I've concluded.
I've given them facts.
I've given them references.
I've talked to them about other people they could check with to verify what I was telling them.
And do you know not one bit of that ever got into the press?
I mean, hell, I work in the media, and I can't answer the question of how it works, how it operates, who's got their finger on the switch, how it's thrown.
I mean, I can guarantee you, in all the years that I've been doing this, all those years...
So, if you have questions for the Robert Dean, he's our guest tonight, and I'm going to be very interested, actually, in what you're asked.
Just one more from me, Robert, which encompasses a couple of points here.
One is, you believe we're facing the loss of the U.S. Constitution, and you think this comes through some sort of national security state that is now in existence, growing, and will eventually simply erode all of our rights in the war on?
I think we've lost most of our Constitution already.
I think we began losing it probably in 1947 when we passed the National Security Act.
And that was the beginning, I think.
And it's been kind of whittled down and diced up and nibbled here and nibbled there over the years until the Constitution is really in tatters.
Look, for example, Art, if I may use just simply one example.
Look at the monetary problem.
Look at the national debt.
Congress is supposed to keep its eye on and maintain control over expenditures of funds.
They're supposed to not allow us to get into such a deficit.
But look what happened here.
Just about a year ago, actually it was less than a year, the General Accounting Office came out with a fact that the Department of Defense had misplaced, they don't know where it went, $3.5 trillion.
Now, this was not spent.
This was simply misplaced.
They don't know where the money went.
Now, if Congress was conducting a proper oversight, which they are required to do by the Constitution, that kind of thing could never have happened.
Mr. Dean, I have a couple questions, and please don't think I'm arguing any of the facts that you've brought up.
First up, it's hard to see a logical reason why the government would keep a lot of secrets from us as far as alien civilizations and whatnot, unless it was for a whole keeping us from the bad news.
I mean, if they already have control and the power and technology, what does it benefit to keep us in the dark at this point?
All I can do is point to the old Brookings report, which was finalized and given to Congress in 1961.
They concluded, I think Margaret Mead was a contributor to that: that any society that is confronted with an incredibly advanced other society, which are so far beyond them, that that shock alone could lead to the destruction of the more primitive society.
And I think that's become national policy ever since 1961.
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Well, now, from 1961 until now, we've had tons and tons of Hollywood movies and television shows, and everything has been so sensationalized as far as, you know, aliens and spacecraft and space travel.
Caller, why do you think we had such a blast of exposure to all things alien in our media?
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Oh, I totally, totally believe that that has to do with maybe a long-drawn-out desensitization process.
You know, I mean, why else will we have the whole idea of, I mean, ideas and fantasy come from something, and it has to be, you know, I mean, somebody had to have seen something at some point to start the whole role.
I was wondering if Mr. Dean had ever heard of a gentleman by the name, actually, I think he was on Close to Coast before, by the name of Prophet Yahweh.
This Yahweh fellow now is writing me emails saying the reason he's been in a dry spell, not been able to call up any lately, is because they, in quotes, want me, Art Bell, there with Yahweh to confirm this, and they're angry that I'm not there, and so they're not showing up when he calls them.
Robert, there is this fellow, this man, calls himself the Prophet Yahweh, out here in the desert, from Las Vegas, you know, around the southern Nevada area.
He's been saying he can call in spacecraft.
And I must say, he took a reporter from Channel 13, ABC, in Las Vegas out, and damn well called one in.
And they caught it on camera, and they ran the story.
And in that book, he tells about being physically taken up to Alaska by somebody from the Department of Defense, one of the intelligence groups, who took him up there one night near that facility under that mountain.
So I began to stick my nose into that, and I had intelligences, I had consciousness show up in my house.
I was born Roman Catholic, Polish Roman Catholic, in 1970 in Toledo, Ohio, which means it's pretty substantial.
From there, we went to Wapkinet, Ohio.
And by the way, that lends credence to the fact that Neil Armstrong came from Wapkinetta, Ohio.
And actually, from the age of 10 to 12, I delivered papers to his parents.
Now, being a Roman Catholic, I was brought up in very specific ways.
Yet, I would still just like to be considered, as far as names go, average caller.
Because, Robert, how long is it going to take?
Is it going to be the fact that Pepsi is going to introduce the first alien?
Or is it going to be something that is Pepsi or Coke or Doritos or Frito-Lay or whoever introduces the first Vulcan, or the first alien?
Or is it going to be the fact that they finally realize that even a person, even a person born Roman Catholic, being an altar boy for eight years, even a person doing, you know, everything about this person has been done right according to Roman Catholicism, who should not believe in aliens yet still sees, yet, still sees the logic in it.
To answer that young man who said he was brought up a Roman Catholic and he had no problem with this reality, have you heard of, you know who Monsignor Balducci is?
Yeah, well, apparently the Vatican has an entire subsection devoted to extraterrestrial communication.
that there are Jesuits apparently at work over there and in other parts of the world where they have not only totally accepted the reality of the extraterrestrial presence, but the Vatican has got policy to deal with it.
I know they went zipping right through what otherwise should have been an impossible pile of paperwork and authorizations to get this telescope where it is.
I mean, they just, like a hot knife through butter.
That's what the government, the Vatican, wants to be able to photograph and keep track of.
Years ago, Robert Harrington, who was the chief astronomer at the United States Naval Observatory, told Zachariah in an interview, he says, we've seen the tenth planet.
We've discovered it.
We know it's there.
It's real.
All we need to do is name it.
And Zachariah said to him, he says, it's already been named.
The Sumerians named it.
the tenth planet is a reality art and uh...
Well, I can pretty well put together, and I'm only an amateur here.
All I know is what happened the last time it made a pass.
It was 1600 B.C. The entire Minoan civilization came to an end.
One of the largest volcanoes in the Mediterranean blew its top and literally obliterated the great Minoan civilization.
Well, I'm absolutely willing to believe that an object the size of this 10th planet passing close to Earth with the gravitational effects would cause cataclysmic end-of-life type events.
Before you dispense this, I want you to dispense, there are in this audience, as you well know, Robert, there's a lot of potential budding UFO researchers, people who have just begun to stumble into some of the evidence and the things that you have now been through all your life, Robert.
What advice would you have for them?
In view of what you believe now, what advice would you have for the young budding ufologist?
As a matter of fact, on the website, my wife's website, which is beyondzebra.com, I've got a couple of recommended reading lists which I've learned over the years and collected, read and selected, and material that I would recommend for these young people to get a hold of some of this material and read, inform themselves, learn all they can, because this is the greatest story in human history, and they've got to learn about it.
They can't just let the government con them and lead them down a primrose path.
They've got to inform themselves, and research is the only answer.
You know, the Constitution is in tatters, but maybe it's not too late.
NASA is sitting on top of some of the biggest stories in human history.
Just to give you an example of this national security state, how bad it's become, did you know that they have photographed a boat on Mount Ararat and it's been classified top secret?
The Jet Propulsion Laboratory was involved With it for one period of time because they were handling the satellites that were taking the deep satellite photographs under the ice.
And then all of a sudden, faken away from JPL and turned over to NSA.
I'm a retired Border Patrol supervisor, and years ago in 1964, I was stationed in Carlsbad.
And my partner and I, I'd like Mr. Dean to hear this.
My partner and I were heading north, and it was late, well it was early in the morning, about 3 o'clock.
And we turned off the highway out of Roswell, heading for Bertalis.
We were going to go up to pick up some aliens being held by the state police.
About three or four miles out of Roswell, we got stopped by a roadblock.
State police, air police, it was really wild.
There were helicopters flying all over the place with searchlights.
There were jeeps and everything combing the, there's a lot of sand dunes out there combing around.
And we knew the two state police officers had walked back and told us, well, we're going to have to hold you guys up for a while.
We said, what's going on?
They said, you won't believe this.
We're not supposed to talk about it, but you guys being government officers, we'll tell you.
They said, an Atlas missile was accidentally fired in a silo, and it blew up partway out of the silo, got partway up through the doors, according to them, and a nuclear warhead flew off of it.
And they said it fell somewhere and they can't find it.
And they're frantic.
And they've come to the conclusion it must have landed in the highway.
Somebody picked it up.
And they said, well, if somebody picked it up, they'll find out because whoever picked it up will have radiation poisoning and everything.
And then we'll find out.
So after a little while, they said, well, you guys are in a marked government vehicle.
We'll let you on through.
So we went on through and drove through.
And then about a month later, ran into one of the officers that we saw that night, and we had him bring it up.
We said, whatever happened with that?
Did they ever find that nuclear?
And he said, yeah, they did up in Cleveland.
They said some old Indian was driving up the highway and apparently he just claimed that it flew off into the road and he stopped, picked it up, and threw it in the trunk of his car and took it to Cleveland with him and then two weeks later ended up in the hospital with the nuclear radiation poisoning.
We thought that sounded kind of strange.
Well, they said, you haven't heard the worst of it.
Well, I'm convinced, Art, they've been monitoring our ICBM capability for years.
Now, whether they caused those atlases to explode or not, I don't know.
I know when I was in FEMA, working out of Tucson, we were paying a lot of attention to our problem with the Titan missiles down there.
And these Titans were liquid-fueled, and they were leaking all the time, and guys were dying, and they had a couple of problems where they almost launched themselves.
So it's been nothing but headache from the very beginning.
Now, with the Minuteman, it's supposedly a fail-safe unit.
You know, it's a solid-fueled weapon, and they're not supposed to be able to get out of the silo unless somebody pushes the right button.
But there's no question there's been interference, both here and in the Soviet Union.
This may sound like a stretch of the imagination, this type of question, but it's the only one I could come up with.
I've studied the Bible to the point of, you know, knowing a little bit more than average about it.
And I was wondering if it's possible that this tenth planet that people talk about, could it be something like what Revelations and the King James Bible describes as the New Jerusalem?
I mean, that's the only logic I could come up with for it to mention.
Yes, and Mr. Dean, I have seen a lot of your stuff on TV, and you're a very fascinating person, and thank the human race for having you around.
My two questions are, I'll be really brief.
My first question is, the four species that you read about when you were in NATO, what did they look like?
And my second question is, the mountain you speak about in Alaska, I don't know if you're able to say this or not on the air, but whereabout is the location of that?
And that bothered the military guys because, you know, being primarily paranoid, as we were all trained to be, the idea that somebody from another planet could be walking up and down the halls of shape or walking up and down the halls of the Pentagon, that threw them out of the water.
This one group looked totally like we are.
And I think that's the group, in my opinion, that's probably involved in trying to keep us alive.
I think that group is the group that would like to kind of make us, at least hopefully, see us survive.
Well, that and the fact that I would like to get some idea in my mind, like Robert Monroe used to say, to get some idea of where I've come from, why I'm here, and where am I going.
And remote viewing looks right across that like it's a clear window.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Dean.
Hello.
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Yes.
Hi, Robert Dean.
I've been listening to you all night, and there was something I want to ask you.
You said you worked for FEMA.
Were you aware that there was executive orders of 10-995 and 11-005 about executive orders to permit FEMA to take over all local, state, and national governments in suspension of constitutional guarantees?
Some of them have gotten pretty sophisticated over the years.
They're probably, the state of the art has probably gone a lot farther than I would imagine because I was in some of those underground facilities during the years that I worked with FEMA.
No, what I saw was it was simply an attempt to have a facility that would help us maintain a continuity of government in the event of a nuclear strike.
That much makes absolute sense to me, and I'm not surprised we have it.
I'd be surprised if we didn't.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Dean.
Hello.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
It's an honor to speak with you, Mr. Bell.
Thank you.
I've thought of the two perfect questions I want to ask.
The first one is, given everything that you've seen in your life and everything that you've read and all of the speculation that you've come to know, I want to know from your perspective, what's the one thing you've seen or come to know that gives you the most hope or joy or the good?
And what's the one thing that you've seen over the years that just strikes fear in the core of your being?