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July 24, 2005 - Art Bell

02:29:43

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Derrel Sims - Alien Abduction Evidence

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	Not all that far, by the way, from Death Valley.
	Have, until today or so, been hovering around 117 degrees every day.
	Now, my response to this is multiple.
	One, I don't live without air conditioning.
	So I go out and hug my five ton air conditioner and moreover I've taken the posture that if I can't travel, which I can't in these kind of temperatures for any number of reasons including pets and all that sort of stuff, I'm going to ignore the heat.
	So my posture has been to stay up until well after the sun has come up in the morning And then like a bat, sleep all day long, until about five or so in the afternoon, and then awaken to begin my strange nocturnal activities.
	In other words, I won't have anything to do with it.
	When it's 117 degrees outside, you can't do anything!
	I mean, really, you're better off not moving around, not turning on lights, not turning on appliances.
	In other words, you're better off asleep.
	Like the astronauts trying to make it back to Earth without enough power in Apollo 13.
	You know, you're better off just going to sleep.
	That's what we've been doing.
	So I'm rather wide awake.
	It's really morning for me right now.
	Morning in my part of America.
	All right, now.
	Tonight's webcam, you may think you've seen it.
	It was a picture of our... You know, we have a new kitten in the house, Dusty.
	Dusty has grown really big!
	Dusty is now real long.
	And I had a picture of Dusty up there, but see, another thing happened on the way during the heat.
	This is an interesting story.
	I have a radio tower, as you all more than well know, in my backyard.
	A hundred footer, big one.
	And at about the eighty foot level of this large tower, some starlings decided, what a cool place to build a nest!
	It's a great strong metallic nest holding monster.
	So they built a nest.
	They labored hard and long and built this nest at 80 feet up on my tower.
	That's kind of neat.
	Why not?
	I would too if I were a starling.
	Only thing about a tree is, you see, it doesn't Unlike a tree, it doesn't give shade.
	So when it's 117 degrees, you can imagine the metal on the tower gets, hmm, warm.
	Really warm.
	Anyway, these starlings fortunately were about, you know, they were ready to leave the nest and fly off and do whatever starlings do, except this one.
	Must have been the runt of the nest, and it fell from the sky from 80 feet up on my tower, I guess, or flew.
	Either way, it appeared, this little tiny starling appeared on my wife's chain link fence just below the tower, sitting there on the chain link fence, you know, about halfway down, grasping one of the little chain links.
	And we walked past this little guy and we said, oh, you know, from the nest.
	And it didn't move.
	It didn't move.
	And it just sat there panting like a starling pants, I guess.
	And so we went out, came back, and here was this little starling still in the same place.
	This is now two or three hours later.
	Well, Obviously, this little guy was in shock.
	Really serious shock.
	He had not moved now for seven or eight hours.
	And Ramona looks at me, and I look at Ramona, and we say, oh brother.
	So I said, it's about midnight now.
	It's about midnight now.
	And I said, Ramona, and she said to me about the same time, we've got to do it.
	So she went and bought at midnight, you can do that here in Nevada, a birdcage.
	And Ramona went out with her gloves and captured, I mean you could walk right up to him, he didn't care, or her, we still don't know of course.
	And got this little tiny, tiny waif of a bird that was obviously, well if the sun had come up, this bird would have been dead within two hours.
	But what did we do?
	We interfered with nature and for three days, This darling resided in its little cage in our garage, which is air-conditioned.
	Comfortable.
	And Ramona started to try to feed it.
	Well, she's fed it worms.
	Regular worms, didn't like those too much, and then mealy worms.
	Those it has a great appetite for, as well as making up this mash, which is made from bird seed, which you put in a pepper grinder and grind up and then put egg yolk in, and oh, it's quite a procedure.
	So anyway, three days later we bring little snarling deer, which we have named Tower, Into the house of four cats.
	Four cats!
	Now that might not be the smartest thing that anybody ever did.
	But with the aid of a squirt gun...
	I mean, you can see in a cat's eyes when it has intentions, dire intentions.
	You can see its little studied, alert nose and back end begin to wiggle a little bit.
	You know when a cat has something in its sights, right?
	So we hit him with a squirt gun.
	And they, of course, don't know you've done it, so it's pretty cool because they think it was water from God.
	And they just jump about six feet high and run into the other room and then pretty soon, after enough shots, they're not thinking about the bird anymore.
	They're thinking about shots of water from God.
	So anyway, that's where we are now.
	The animal people.
	Four cats.
	and one now rapidly growing extremely noisy starling and by the way I would like to thank the people at starling dot www.starling.info if you ever get a baby bird and it's a starling that's the place to go to begin to learn how to even think about taking care of a baby this thing now Not only did it come out of shock, but now it's the happiest bird alive, flying all over the nest, just making noise, recognizing people, being social, even perhaps liking the cats.
	I don't know.
	But it's happy.
	So that's what's been going on in the Bell household during my absence to get away.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Ha ha.
	All right.
	World news very quickly, then we'll pause and give you the real news.
	British police arrested a third man in connection with last week's failed attack against London's transit system, said Sunday they're going to try to penetrate what they suspect is probably an Al-Qaeda network behind the whole thing.
	At Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, where the big attack occurred, the bombers, who carried out Egypt's worst ever terrorist attack, appeared to have entered the Red Sea Resort in pickup trucks, they now know, with loaded explosives that were hidden under some vegetables.
	NASA plans to launch the first space shuttle flight in two and one half years, even if it's plagued by the very same fuel gauge that stopped it, what, last week.
	So they go no matter what.
	That's very unlike NASA, isn't it?
	22 dead in a suicide bomber attack in Baghdad.
	NBC is in some trouble, apparently.
	The executive vows that there is going to be a season of rebuilding at NBC.
	Suffering low ratings, fourth place, I guess.
	And while I'm on the subject of the vast wasteland, there are two programs that I would like to recommend to you, very seriously recommend to you.
	One I have already recommended in the past, it's called Medium.
	It's on Monday nights at 9 o'clock on NBC, the 4th Network, and it's a really good show.
	Yes, I would like to interview the real young lady, the real Medium, who lives in Phoenix and assists the DA, or ADA.
	And it's a tremendous show.
	It's so unaffected.
	The other show is House.
	Oh, my God.
	What I did was I... I have a DVR, so I captured the entire season of House.
	Didn't watch it.
	And then about two weeks ago, I discovered House.
	Oh my God, what a good show.
	Hugh, is it Laurie?
	Hugh Laurie is the doctor and I don't think I've ever seen better character acting.
	It is really good.
	Gotta be a real piece of that man in that show because he just does it too well.
	House, start watching it.
	Fox, Tuesday at 9 o'clock.
	Boy, is that a good series.
	All right.
	Lance, seven times, seven times the Tour de France.
	That's incredible.
	Again, the victorious run through the arch in Paris.
	And boy, you've got to give it to him.
	I watched the programs.
	On TV that showed how Lance actually did it, and he did it with the assistance of a network who sort of looked at every piece of his helmet, every part of his body, air resistance, and all the rest of that, and Discovery Channel really helped him out in that regard, and it obviously paid off as he apparently came in first by about five minutes.
	We'll be right back.
	So much time has gone by.
	There really are quite a number of things that I wish to talk to you about and this is at the top of the list tonight.
	The oceans are warmer than they ought to be.
	You may have watched the Weather Channel or some of the coverage of the latest hurricane that we had.
	But they were all in exclamation about how hot the ocean was, what a terrible hurricane season it was going to be.
	This story from Gannett in New Jersey.
	In Dave Kaplan's 44 years as a Bradley Beach lifeguard, this is the earliest he's ever seen the ocean so warm, by a long margin.
	I take the water temperatures every day, said Kaplan Wednesday.
	Well, last week it's been the warmest I ever can recall.
	The warm ocean waters, with temperatures ranging, averaging, get this, 5 to 8 degrees above normal, are linked to the warm stagnant weather in recent days and the lack of up-swelling at cooler bottom waters in recent weeks, according to the experts.
	Air temperatures ...are in the 80s and 90s.
	They were expected again in Mammoth and Ocean Counties today, according to forecasts by the National Weather Service's Mount Holly office.
	The warmth, with sunny skies, is likely to warm surface waters even more.
	The warm waters have led to improved fluke fishing, believe it or not.
	Figures it'd be a fluke, right?
	The early arrival of tropical species like Spanish mackerel and the potential for hurricanes heading up the coast retain more of their energy, and I suppose be more fierce.
	Anyway, This kind of goes together with a lot of things we've been saying for a long time now.
	In addition to this, I got an email from somebody who watches, you know, New York City News, and I think one of the premier weather forecasters there on one of the big stations in New York, received information from buoys that said the water was in the 80s.
	I mean, way, way above where it ought to be, and he simply said, you know, I don't believe it.
	I believe an offer was made for him to check it out for himself, which he, I understand, declined.
	But the fact of the matter is, something is definitely going on with ocean temperatures right now.
	It's going to affect the world's weather.
	It's affecting our weather.
	It will affect all weather.
	The ocean has so much of an effect on our climate, that even a small variation in what's going on with regard to ocean temperatures, and of course those all-important currents, will have a magnifying effect on the entire environment.
	And you wouldn't believe how small the margin of life is on Earth.
	And by margin I mean we live within a certain temperature range of things happening.
	And if that were just to be altered a few degrees one way or the other, we might not be here.
	Scientists are gaining insight, the following comes from CNN.com, insight about December's devastating earthquake and tsunami from the actual sounds, they got the actual sounds of the 9.3 quake in the Indian Ocean.
	It's really quite an eerie sound to hear the earth ripping apart like that.
	We hear it on smaller earthquakes quite frequently, but something of this scale that just goes on for eight minutes or more is very unprecedented.
	According to Maya Tostoy, a marine geophysicist at Columbia University's Lamont-Dowerty Earth Observatory, said she, it gave me the chills when I first heard it.
	The dramatic soundtrack of the rupture of the Sumatra-Andaman Fault comes from a little-known, sometimes hard-to-access resource, the microphones that capture the sound are simply part of a global network of instruments that monitor the entire world for compliance with the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
	In other words, they're listening for nuclear explosions.
	But they caught this monster quake, and they describe it as a ripping and tearing sound of the very Earth itself.
	Now, I would solicit anybody's help here who happens to have this, hopefully an MPEG-3, MP3, or whatever of this.
	I would very much like to hear the sound of the Earth ripping in part, and if I could lay my little paws upon it, you would hear it too.
	That's gotta be a very unusual sound.
	Again, she refers to it as the Earth literally tearing apart for eight minutes.
	I wonder what that sounded like.
	Enough to raise the hair on the back of that young scientist's neck.
	Santa Barbara.
	Scientists are puzzled by a mysterious Los Padres National Forest hotspot, get this, where 400 degree ground ignited a wildfire.
	Now that's a different one, isn't it?
	Normally wildfires are ignited by, for example, the lightning we had here yesterday morning.
	We had one of those whiz-bang If you happen to be asleep at about 6.30 in the morning, when a bolt ignited about, I don't know, a third of a mile away, or less, you know, normally when lightning goes, I try to be semi-scientific and go out and count 1,001, 1,002, you know, after the light, and I said 1,000, BOOM!
	I didn't even get the 1,001 out.
	So, normally you would expect lightning to ignite a fire that way and sure enough a lot of them have ignited in the mountains around me.
	But this, this is a hole in the ground with 400 degree temperatures.
	The hotspot was discovered by fire crews putting out a three acre fire last summer in the forest Dick Smith Wilderness.
	They saw fissures in the ground where they could feel a lot of heat coming out.
	That's a quote from a Los Padres geologist, Alan King.
	He said, it's not characteristic at all of a normal fire.
	Fire investigators went back to the canyon days later and stuck a candy thermometer into the ground.
	It hit the top of the scale at 400 degrees.
	A dozen scientists, including University of California Santa Barbara mineralogist Jim Bowles, have been looking for answers since August.
	Robert Mariner of the U.S.
	Geological Survey, a hydrologist who studies volcanic gas fans at Mount Shasta and Mount Hood and Mount Rainier, also called in.
	Everybody's puzzled.
	He said, uh, when I heard about the candy thermometer, I was amazed, noting that the temperature of the volcanic vents that he studies is typically, oh, about 200 degrees around the boiling point of water.
	I thought these guys were yanking on my leg.
	With the help of a air reconnaissance flight and thermal infrared imaging, scientists found the hotspot actually covers about three acres.
	The three acres that were on fire.
	The hottest spot was 11 feet underground at 584 degrees.
	Huh.
	They found no oil, no gas deposits or vents nearby, no significant deposits of coal.
	The Geiger counter readings were normal for radioactivity and there was no evidence of any explosion or volcanic activity.
	Now, they speculate that one explanation being studied, and it is speculation, is that an
	earthquake fault just might be the source of the heat, but it's hard to imagine how
	an earthquake fault would generate temperatures in that realm.
	All right, well, apparently the sound already of the earthquake has been on the show, I
	guess, the last time we were here.
	So, let's go ahead and listen to it.
	Well, apparently the sound already of the earthquake has been on the show, I guess,
	They may have had it last week, somebody said, and I'm getting links to it, so I'm obviously going to be able to get it.
	I'm looking forward to that.
	Can you imagine the sound of the earth ripping apart?
	Michael Pitcher saw the storm rolling into Clearwater Beach Saturday evening.
	Heavy rain fell.
	Lightning quivered from the clouds.
	Pitcher and his girlfriend sought safety under a pier.
	They looked into the water and what did they see but about 20 swimmers.
	All those people on the water.
	Someone's going to get struck by lightning, Pitcher said.
	The words had barely left his mouth, kind of like trying to say 1001, and there was an incredible crack.
	A lightning bolt struck the beach, knocking three people unconscious.
	Fourth person, a pregnant woman, good lord, also hit by lightning.
	But she remained conscious.
	Two people suffered critical injuries, were taken to Morton Plant Hospital.
	Two others with serious injuries were taken to Bayfront Medical Center and Largo Medical Center.
	The names and conditions of those who were not available Saturday night all appeared young, maybe in their early 20s.
	You're not too bright in your early 20s.
	It was unclear if the victims were at the beach together.
	So anyway, Pitcher and his girlfriend said they saw a man standing in the water.
	That wasn't even waist-high.
	This guy took a direct hit.
	The lightning hit.
	The bolt hit his head.
	The bolt flickered for about three seconds.
	A man's arms went up in the air, and the electricity lifted him out of the water, said Pitcher.
	When the bolt disappeared, he dropped back in the water and sank.
	He'd sucked him right out of the water, said Pitcher.
	A hospice nurse from Port Richey said the lightning stopped and it dropped him.
	I couldn't believe it.
	So a lot of people saw this happen.
	He was lifted out of the air by the lightning that hit his head.
	Remember, he's standing in salt water.
	So anyway, it didn't look too good for that man.
	Apparently he was turning blue.
	You know, as they took him off, he was turning blue and was absolutely a mess, as you might imagine.
	But I guess still alive and everybody wished him well.
	But you would think that they'd know enough after something like this had just happened, right?
	To get the hell out of the water.
	But no, as the 911 guys, the emergency responders, were hauling the bodies, the blackened bodies, away, with lightning still going off all around, even as emergency crews assisted, they were back in the water again.
	They.
	Who are they?
	They are people who Well, it's a good society we have now that generally protects those who might be doing things that aren't too bright.
	But not in all cases.
	So, I don't know.
	You've got a lightning storm going on, you've got nearby crashes, and you wade right back into the water, not just one, but many.
	Perhaps this is people trying to assist the ongoing process.
	I don't know.
	This is a rumor from a listener, but it looks like it's based, there are several links here I didn't have a chance to follow, but there's a team together and they're going to, they've got an exploration pass for Turkey, they're going to melt down to Noah's Ark Somewhere between now and August 15th, after locating the main portion of the ship with an elaborate arc imaging scanner.
	And then they list some links here.
	So there may be something quietly going on with regard to the arc right now.
	Somebody actually trying to melt...
	They're way down to it.
	Tommy Thompson's going to sign up with Verichip.
	He's going to get a chip, he says.
	As soon as enough hospitals get the scanning equipment to make it realistic, he will go and get a chip implanted in him, as animals have done.
	And now, as human beings, are going to be urged to do.
	Are you going to get a chip implanted?
	Hmm?
	Verichip Company has been doing it.
	I have a feeling a number of my listeners probably would not go the chip route.
	However, I guess that you'll be able to do many things now.
	Right now, the chip will carry your medical information.
	So, you know, if lightning lifts you out of the waist-high seawater, they'll be able to quickly scan your medical records and know everything that needs to be known about you to treat you properly and possibly keep you alive.
	So why not get the chip?
	It's a pretty strong argument, right?
	But we all know that it might be the sign of what?
	Might be the sign of the beast.
	Or maybe not.
	Maybe it's only one chip.
	Certainly not a chip that would dispense your hospital records.
	Would also be connected with, you know, him.
	Right?
	To the phones.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	This is a chip-free zone here.
	A chip-free zone.
	So you wouldn't go for a chip, huh?
	No, thank you.
	Good morning, Art.
	I'm glad to hear your voice again, sir.
	I was beginning to get worried about you.
	Oh, I'm fine.
	Oh, I knew you would.
	I look at this, Stephen, in Columbus, Georgia, your old pyrotechnics buddy.
	Yes?
	Just wanted to know how your show in Pahrump went.
	How my show in Pahrump went?
	Went, yes.
	Which show was that?
	Your annual 4th of July show.
	Oh, our fireworks, it was incredible.
	Every year, Little Pahrump, and we are still little compared to cities around us, puts on the biggest display in the state of Nevada.
	I mean, we dwarf everything else.
	So how cool was it?
	I don't know, how cool was, I think it was 8,000 shells in three minutes at the very end.
	Wow, that's your finale or what?
	Yeah, that was the finale, and it was kick-butt.
	Well, I understand your fire marshal does it for you there.
	That's right.
	People come from long way around now to see the fireworks display.
	Well, your choreography and your music coming from your station is getting well-known.
	Well, that's very kind of you.
	Thank you very much.
	Yes, we do the choreography for the display, and it's awesome.
	Every year they double it now.
	We all wonder, how do they do that?
	Where do they get all the money?
	We're little Pahrump.
	How do we?
	Yes, we have firework stores here in Pahrump because, well, because it's Nevada.
	You know, and we have brothels.
	We have firework stores.
	We have gambling machines.
	It's a different kind of environment that we live in here in the desert, one that I prefer.
	A lot of people who have the kind of philosophy I have live out in this part of the country for that very reason.
	There's a lot of freedom out here.
	Anyway, somehow every year they double the size of our fireworks display.
	Now that cannot continue, or soon we will be having a planet-threatening fireworks display.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Douglas, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
	Yes.
	I wanted to talk to you a little bit about that hot spot out west.
	Oh, the one that started the fire, yes.
	Right.
	And I don't know, this might sound a little ridiculous, but I was thinking that those giant tunnels that they're constructing underground, I think they had one of those plasma machines down there.
	Well, now you're getting pretty far out on a limb, partner.
	Okay, but... See, I was going to suggest it was one of the devil's fingers.
	No.
	Just stick it up, you know?
	But I think something happened and it might have backfired or whatever, but... Ah, technology gone wrong.
	Yeah, something like that.
	But it just seemed like it was so far underground And generating that kind of heat that I thought maybe they were trying to bore a tunnel.
	This is why I'm dying of curiosity about the inner earth.
	It's one of my favorite topics, absolutely.
	I mean, what the hell's down there?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call and take care.
	It really is fascinating.
	What is down there?
	Our very own earth.
	We've done more exploration of outer space than we have of, you know, down there.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes?
	It's wonderful to be on the air.
	I've been a fan for 12 years, and you've been a great, friendly voice in the night.
	Good to have you.
	Well, I've been waiting for a good excuse to call, and I couldn't believe your starling story.
	I am, first of all, congratulations on Tower.
	I'd like to welcome him to the world.
	Yeah, with four cats.
	It's a world with four cats, sir.
	It's not a cat-friendly house.
	Well, if I could give you some advice, I am a wildlife rehabilitator here in California, and I'm actually the Starling Species Manager.
	No kidding.
	Well, we should have used you about a week ago now.
	Well, I tell you, I heard what you were feeding him, and really quickly, they are, more than almost any other bird you'll find, they require animal protein.
	Oh, yeah.
	And one of the biggest problems... Also, they're really hungry.
	We're talking like five or six times a day, and we're talking nine, eight, nine worms at a time.
	Okay, a couple things.
	Yeah, honestly, at this age, you probably want to be feeding them no later than every hour, probably starting at, well, luckily not all day, probably like in a 12-hour stretch, maybe from nine in the morning till nine at night.
	Yeah.
	And you don't want to go too heavy on the mealworms.
	We're starting to find in the rehabilitation community that mealworms, it's either something with the tightness skin or their fat content, that they're okay in small quantities.
	What you really never want to feed them is earthworms or redworms.
	They're toxic.
	We tried earthworms.
	It didn't work.
	Anyway.
	That's good.
	He's spitting them out because he knows they're bad.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Don't try that.
	The easiest way to do this is with a syringe.
	You want to take just dog food, like imes or something.
	And hard-boiled eggs.
	Put it all in a blender.
	You can go to a... Well, we were using egg yolks and hard-boiling eggs and then putting it together with this mash that we made out of birdseed.
	Yeah, now that's where you really want to stop you there.
	Birdseed will, in the long run, kill these birds.
	They're not feed eaters.
	And they actually don't have a crop like a lot of your birds.
	We did feed it a couple of bugs in it, like that.
	That's what they eat in the wild.
	Stomach content studies done in the wild has shown that 95% of what these birds eat is winged insects, like mosquito hawks and moths.
	Well, I'm drawing a line there.
	Well, no, and you absolutely don't want to feed them that as a pet because they'll refuse anything else.
	No, I mean going out to gather it.
	I'm not going out, nor is Ramona, to gather bugs.
	No, absolutely not.
	If I could just really quickly tell you, they make, properly taken care of, they make excellent pets, they're very smart, and at the age you got him, he won't be releasable.
	He thinks he is now a person that can fly.
	And he will learn, they're a Mockingbird, they're in the Mockingbird family, and they will learn whole sentences.
	What?
	Just like a parrot.
	He is talking, he or her, is, by the way I've got a picture up, my webcam picture, is of Tower, Tower about three or four days after we got Tower, more than that even.
	So take a look and decide.
	Does he still have the little kind of Don King tusks on his head?
	Don Kim.
	Does he have like these kind of fly away feathers on the top of his head?
	I don't know about that.
	Okay, well you know what I was talking about if you don't.
	Don Kim feathers.
	From what I've heard he sounds like he's still like just finishing his pre-fludge stage.
	Yeah.
	And he has now imprinted on you, he will last up to 20 years.
	The best The best way to feed them is just with baby food, like lamb or beef, Gerber baby food.
	Baby food.
	They love that, and it provides the protein content they need.
	Gerber baby food.
	Yeah, a healthy starling is really one of the healthiest birds you can find.
	Alright, do me a favor, a lot of people are going to be going, oh come on, so send me an email, include all of this and more if you would please, alright?
	Okay, but about the cats, you'll want to keep them away because they'll learn to associate You think they would eat a tower?
	I mean, in a second, in a New York or Nevada second, that'd be that.
	So thank you very much and I'll look forward to getting an email from you and or any of the rest of you, by the way.
	I'm artbell at AOL.com or artbell at Minespring.com.
	That's worm squarely.
	This bird does seem to enjoy the mealy worms.
	So it's going to be hard, would be hard, very hard to break it of that.
	Really likes the mealy worms.
	And we do have to go by what it seems to like, you know, and anyway, it's been quite a job, mainly taken on by Ramona, and she's been up there like six times, eight times a day, feeding it a lot of times a day.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Barbell.
	Yes.
	Captain Spike Mike with the Fantastic Forum.
	Hey.
	Buddy, I really appreciate your kind words about Lance Armstrong.
	I think the American media is really overlooking this guy.
	Did you see the network coverage of the scientific work that they did on him to achieve, you know, begin to slice seconds off with aerodynamic changes in the helmet and what he wears and every little tiny aspect.
	Everything.
	Everything.
	The Bike Discovery Channel did it.
	He went and took his VO2 max test, which is a volume You did see it?
	Yes.
	He rated the highest ever scored at that clinic.
	Kind of like a Superman or something.
	The last time an American presence in France had this much influence, they called it World War II.
	Yeah, seven in a row.
	And he will absolutely retire on top of his game.
	Art, you're never going to see a man do something like this again in your lifetime, my lifetime, and maybe our kids.
	Yeah, that's right.
	No, it's an incredible, thank you very much, an incredible achievement.
	No question about it.
	And those of you who did not see the discovery footage of, you know, how they helped him out, how the scientists went to work on every little tiny aspect of Lance Armstrong, his bike, every little nut and bolt, everything was aerodynamically checked in wind chambers and all the rest of it, and they're shaving seconds off what will be his total performance.
	It was totally awesome.
	A wild card line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	I heard, um, my friend's father just passed away recently.
	Sorry to hear it.
	And, uh, during the process of her and me helping her clean out his house, I came across some very graphic pictures of him and her at a very young age.
	I'm talking maybe four or five years old.
	And she's never mentioned any incident like this, you know, to me or anyone.
	I'm not even sure she knows.
	I don't know what to do with these pictures.
	I mean, I'm talking, they're very sexually graphic.
	That's an easy answer.
	You go to the police.
	You go to the police.
	If you have questions about somebody's behavior in that regard, you don't keep it to yourself.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	This is Rena from Miami.
	Okay, extinguish your radio, my dear.
	Okay, sorry.
	I'm a little bit worried.
	I don't know if you've heard, I noticed that you didn't mention it, about a sandstorm that is going to hit this area in Florida.
	A sandstorm?
	Yes.
	It's from the Sahara.
	And it even might affect people with respiratory, you know, ailments.
	And, you know, and I was just wondering because I know that you're on top of all of these things.
	Well, we were hit with a sandstorm here from Asia, from Mongolia, and it turned our skies yellow.
	And it didn't make the national press, I mean all of the skies of Las Vegas and all of Southern Nevada, and for all I know a lot more, turned yellow.
	Because we had a sandstorm from Mongolia.
	So these things do happen.
	More and more lately.
	You think so?
	Yeah, I know how you feel about the weather changes.
	Yes, I think they're well underway.
	Yes.
	Well, it's supposed to hit small, isn't it?
	How do you feel about living in Florida now, knowing almost, I mean, could you almost be sure it's going to be a continual march of hurricanes this year as the season progresses?
	Well, I'm a little bit concerned.
	Due to the fact, in a way, because my father was from the Canary Islands, so I've heard you say or mention that the Canary Islands are supposed to be Causing maybe some kind of a wave or something to our area as well.
	And all these weird things happening with our weather here.
	Daryl Sims, coming up in a moment, is a certified hypnotherapist, certified hypnotic anesthetist, certified master neuro-linguistic practitioner, international speaker, licensed private investigator in the state of Texas, and researcher of alleged human-alien encounters.
	His discoveries of the alleged alien implantation and fluorescence found on abductees Following reported contact by alien entities are but two finds that his medical scientific team explores.
	In 1994, a writer reviewing his work originated the name Alien Hunter.
	That's a good name, Alien Hunter.
	Mr. Sims primary work ...is gathering physical evidence from cases of alleged human-alien contact.
	He is an advisor-investigator for the PARSEC organization.
	This is an Italy-based organization of medical doctors, physicists, psychotherapists, and other professionals who invited Sims to come on board in 2000 and use his skills to complete professional investigations in psychological and physical evidence in the work.
	His presentations to medical scientific college conferences and so forth and the public at large show compelling approaches to human-alien encounters.
	His extensive training and experience in investigative approaches and therapeutic interventions allows him to select the right approach for the individual and the event.
	So an obvious first question will be, after all of this investigation, are we being occupied?
	Are we being invaded?
	Are we being...
	Well, are they here?
	Sound of a jet taking off.
	Music.
	So I guess the first logical question for Darryl Sims is, is well
	really i should say welcome to the show derral Thank you, Art.
	Good to be here.
	Great to have you.
	The first logical question for me to ask you is, are they real and are they really here?
	Well, I think if you mean by who they are, the alleged alien, as people refer to them as, I often refer to them as the entities because I'm not really sure what an alien is.
	That's fair.
	I believe that based on my personal experience as an abductee since 1952, I continued to be an abductee for 13 years.
	The events stopped violently when I was 17, and my events just stopped completely.
	How do you have a violent stoppage?
	Well, that is still a bit of a mystery to me.
	Well, violent is a serious word, so it implies a big something or another, right?
	It really was, Art.
	I never understood any of the events from childhood, just other than the entities being present.
	And the last event, my door was actually broken into.
	The lock was broken off.
	Someone actually kicked it in.
	That's violent.
	My parents never woke up.
	They were in the next room.
	My sister never woke up.
	She was in another room.
	No one in the house was aware of anything.
	The five entities that showed up in my last event, I had never seen before.
	I've never seen them.
	And after 38 years of investigations, I've never seen any of them in any drawings or any other text.
	I have met eight people who have When did these entities you just talked about begin to visit you?
	This was not the first time, right?
	That's correct.
	The event actually started when I was three and a half years old in Midland, Texas.
	There was an entity standing in my room.
	I became very aware of it.
	When you say entity, now try and do better for me.
	Now, perhaps not three, but I mean gathered through all time, what did these things look like?
	This one was pure white, long, tall, and skinny, about five foot tall.
	It had a large bulbous head, very similar to the shapes of some of the things that people report currently.
	The difference was that the entity did not have, or the alien if we want to use that term, It's certainly alien to me.
	I'm not sure we do want to use that term.
	Perhaps something else you tell us will give us an indication.
	But right now, I'm with you.
	Entity.
	We don't know what these are, do we?
	I certainly don't.
	After 38 years, I'm still debating that.
	But the entity had large black eyes.
	They were perfectly round, not the elliptical ones that you see so much on the movies or even people report now.
	I was rather puzzled ever since the word, because for two reasons.
	One is, what in the world was the thing?
	I'd never seen anything like it.
	I'd never had a bad dream that I could remember.
	I remember this was 1952.
	There weren't any alien movies that you sat around and watched.
	My parents would have never allowed me to watch something like that anyway.
	Can I ask you a rude question?
	Sure.
	How do you know you weren't having delusions?
	That's a very fair question, and I had to, as an investigator, had to pose that to myself for years.
	The entity was still standing there.
	I was able to move.
	It was wintertime, and it was quite cold.
	It had plenty of covers on, and I lifted up enough to look at it.
	I wasn't afraid or anything.
	I just couldn't understand what it was.
	And one of the things that was curious to me is I couldn't see its knees and I couldn't see its feet.
	The reason is because I was lying down.
	Now, if I'm hallucinating, I should be able to see anything.
	That's a good point, I suppose.
	You're going to have a full hallucination.
	For sure.
	I mean, why would it be selective?
	Well, OK, maybe.
	But the brain might eliminate the legs and feet because the brain would know you can't see through the bed, or should know in normal everyday life you wouldn't see through the bed, so why not concoct an illusion that's realistic?
	That makes sense if you've got a lot of experience.
	At three and a half years old, I don't know how much experience one would have to create hallucinations.
	That's a good point.
	To me, what was curious was the entity began, at that point, to start to move toward me And then instantaneously, as it began to move toward me, I became instantly paralyzed.
	Now, I thought that was very strange, and it was frightening.
	And I was curious about the whole thing.
	Not unusual, though, in reports.
	For sure.
	But the thing that bothered me was that I wasn't paralyzed, and I wasn't even afraid.
	And now I was.
	And of course, after years of looking at my own case, And over a thousand other cases worldwide, it became apparent to me that the fear was installed, and so was the paralysis.
	And it seemed to be coming from, and I have no basis for this other than looking at other people's cases as well, it seemed to be coming from something that the entity was able to manipulate or do with his large black eyes.
	Yet that made no sense to me, because they didn't really do anything that I noticed that I could really put my finger on, so to speak.
	Well, if you were paralyzed, were you also perhaps unaware of the passage of time, or even what was going on around you at some point?
	It took me years to figure this out, looking at it, because I really didn't want to for a long time.
	But what had happened is the event was actually over, and the entity was leaving.
	And I Switched on for whatever reason.
	Now, the reason I think that's true is because when I was in a surgery in 1981... What do you mean switched on?
	Well, it's not like you woke up.
	It's not like that at all.
	It's like, it's literally like you were just turned on, somebody had turned you off, and then all of a sudden you're on.
	Got it.
	And the switch was just, it's just strange.
	It's not like waking up whatsoever.
	In other words... Nothing like that.
	In other words, back to reality.
	Yes, sir.
	So the curious thing about that to me, in the operation where I was getting a chemical pain injection for back surgery from a car accident, I woke up literally switched on and woke up wasn't even the right word because it stunned the two surgeons that were there and the team and the anesthesiologist.
	What did?
	The fact that not only I woke up but I sat up and I stood up and started talking naturally to Dr. Albina, my surgeon.
	And wanted to know why he had hired someone else to do the work because he wasn't qualified, which was absolutely true.
	He wasn't tested to do that particular kind of a new injection.
	The point is that I was completely coherent, as if I had been switched on.
	It scared the anesthesiologist half to death.
	I mean, he's paid to keep me knocked out, and now I am coherent.
	Waking up.
	Well, I'm sitting up, and then I stand up and start walking around with all these wires hanging out of me, so to speak.
	And it was very similar to the same event.
	I recall that it was much like the same event when I was three and a half, like being switched on.
	So that ability I later found useful with the encounters.
	Then I realized that there were other things that you can do.
	You don't have to be a victim laying there.
	Or anything.
	You can actually participate.
	You can actually hear what the entities are actually saying.
	Daryl, what do you think was done to you when you were switched off?
	I don't have a strong sense of what happened in the first event because that's when I was brought back.
	Or any event.
	Oh, now that makes... that's a better question to me.
	Okay.
	The first thing is, which this is real unusual, my parents I never told them anything.
	In fact, my 74-year-old mother saw me on the History Channel the other night, and she says, I knew you'd do the investigations, but Darrell, they said you were an abductee.
	What were you doing on the History Channel?
	Oh, you were interviewed as an abductee or an investigator?
	As an investigator who was also an abductee on this particular show.
	Gotcha.
	And here she is, 74 years old, and she became my biggest critic.
	She said that just could not have happened.
	I said, Mom, the next night I was sleeping between you and Dad, I was so upset, and I never would tell you what it was, that you two must have thought I had a bad dream, because I don't ever remember sleeping in a bed with those two, ever, as a child.
	And they had me between them, and I described exactly how she slept, exactly how he slept, as a matter of course, and she was just startled.
	And I said, the reason I know is because I was switched on again, or switched on myself, and I looked up and there's two entities standing there the next night, and one of them was the same one that was there the night before, and the other one looked just like him, but I don't know how I knew it, but he was different.
	This question goes back to, what happened to you while you were switched off?
	Well, there again, in the second event, I didn't know much other than I tried to wake my dad up.
	He hit him with my elbow until my little elbow hurt, hitting his spine, and couldn't wake my dad up, which was, again, consistent through my events.
	If you hit my spine, I'd wake up.
	You bet.
	At age 12, I do remember a lot more about the event, and I'll give you an illustration there.
	I, again, switched on, 12 years old, 1305 Ohio Street, Alamogordo, New Mexico, outside Holloman Air Force Base and White Sands Missile Range.
	I lived there for 13 years.
	I go outside, thinking I'd heard my mother's voice, which my mom was sound asleep.
	We know that for sure.
	I went outside and saw something.
	It was quite brightness in my backyard.
	It looked like a star, but I couldn't figure out, I've never seen a star that bright so close to the level of the ground.
	And it came at me very quickly, and just about like the movie... I hate to use the movie as an illustration, but the light was so bright the way it came.
	It's alright, I do it all the time.
	Well, it's a movie phenomenon.
	Oh, phenomenon.
	When the light hit like that, and then the guy just passed out.
	The next thing I noticed, I wake up in a circular room, I'm tilted.
	I'm on a very hard table.
	I'm tilted.
	My feet are upward about 11 degrees, and I'm lying on this table.
	The same entity that always picks me up is there, and he's talking to someone else just outside the light range.
	I mean, there's a bright light over me, and it doesn't light the whole room.
	It only lights just that immediate area where I'm at, and I can overhear Him talking to the other entity.
	Yes.
	And I can't figure out why the guy won't come out of the dark.
	They're speaking American English?
	In all these cases, they're speaking the language of the individual.
	Whether it's Portuguese, whether it's Japanese.
	You mean of the abductee?
	Of the abductee.
	They will hear in their language.
	And to you, they were speaking a lot Texan?
	They were speaking... Well now, what are we going to do to them this time?
	It was very, very clear how the best way to describe it.
	It was more of an adult language, as far as I was concerned, because I began to listen to them describe a procedure, and I never knew anything about this procedure until about 20 years later.
	What kind of procedure?
	They were describing This is really difficult to discuss this on the air before.
	No, go ahead.
	They were discussing what they wanted to do, and they were discussing something that had to do with activating and shutting down different parts of the brain.
	Okay.
	And I couldn't understand First of all, why was he even there, and what in the world they were doing?
	And the next thing I notice is there's this long needle-like device that the entity that always picks me up is coming toward me with, and it's got a silver little ball on the end of it.
	This is 1960.
	I'm 12 years old.
	1960. I'm 12 years old. Yes. And I am just shaking. A needle with a ball on the end.
	Yes.
	A needle-like device, about nine inches long.
	Oh.
	A little tiny ball on the end of it.
	Great.
	He inserts it in my nasal passage, and... Oh, great.
	...jams it in, and it breaks the bones.
	It hurts so bad, I mean, I was screaming.
	It broke your nasal bones?
	It broke the nasal passage, the little bones inside there, and it felt like it went up behind the eye, and The next thing I notice after all this is over is I'm back in bed.
	Behind the eye, through the nose enough so you can, I'm sure at least, so you could feel it jam up through your nose literally to an area you could feel behind your eye.
	That's unbelievable.
	Well that started me many years later on a trek to try to find out if other people had had a similar type procedure.
	Do you have any idea, the motivation or intent of the procedure, other than utter terror in you, what else was it supposed to do?
	I don't know ultimately what that was all about, but I do have a little better sense, perhaps now, because a gentleman just emailed me a few months ago.
	And he showed me one of the most remarkable implantations I've ever seen out of the dozens of cases I have.
	I mean that jammed out your mama right up to your frontal lobe.
	He's got an object located in the exact same location as I described.
	He describes the exact same procedure and he never mentioned abduction to his doctors.
	They found this themselves and they're puzzled and amazed.
	And you didn't write this in a book that he might have read?
	I'm finalizing a book after 38 years.
	I'm finishing the last chapter but he's never read anything like it.
	So he's sitting there telling me the story and his doctors are stunned because this is obviously a manufactured object.
	It's larger than a BB.
	It's in approximately mid-brain behind his eye.
	Okay, and they found this with what?
	He claimed it went up directly through his nasal passage.
	They found this with what, an MRI?
	With an MRI.
	And they're sitting there stunned because it can't be there because it's not from any kind of an explosion or anything like that.
	There's no damage, no trauma to the area.
	It makes no sense.
	So he kept his abductions quiet and still has.
	And he's just grinning from ear to ear.
	He says, and I went to your website at alienhunter.org, and he said, and I was stunned to see some of the similar things.
	And I said, well, what I don't have on there, and I didn't tell anybody in great detail is the details of what happened to me.
	And I only did that after he had revealed to me what had happened to him.
	Right.
	And it, of course, it's just staggering to see an object very similar to what, uh, The object, in my view, was a little bit smaller than what was installed in my nasal passage.
	And here's one inside him with the same procedure, the same exact way.
	I'm sure you two had quite a talk.
	We certainly did.
	Hold it right there.
	There's one thing that I want to do first, though, and that is, I mentioned at the head of the program tonight that scientists had recorded the sound of the Earth breaking apart.
	And I've got it.
	Thank you.
	As Darrell was telling us about what happened to him, I emailed it to myself, ripped it off on a CD, and I've got it right here.
	Now these are microphones used to detect nuclear devices, breaking treaties, you know, that kind of thing.
	Normally it's dead quiet.
	And indeed, in this recording, that's where it starts off, dead quiet.
	And then I hope your speakers, you're going to have to turn up your radio, I hope your speakers are going to be able to reproduce this properly, because it's at a very low frequency, not generally conducive to playing on broadcast radio, but who cares?
	I'm going to play it anyway, and first you have relative silence.
	You can hear a gathering I'm just going to let this go.
	If you've got good speakers, you're going to be able to hear this.
	If not, I don't know.
	But here comes the 9.3 tsunami.
	earthquake that produced the tsunami.
	This is a video of the tsunami.
	This goes on for almost eight minutes.
	That's the earth ripping.
	The sound of the earth tearing.
	a big part of the Earth itself tearing.
	Just thought I'd pass that along.
	Thanks for watching!
	I mean, can you imagine the scientists who started hearing this?
	Obviously, these sounds that you're now hearing are alarms going off.
	Those are audible alarms of some sort going off.
	And some guy must have sat there with a headphone saying, hey boss, someone just lit off 500 megatons somewhere on Earth, and then saying, no wait, it's bigger.
	Oh wait, this is really something horrible.
	Can you imagine?
	Once again, Darryl Sims.
	Darryl, welcome back.
	Thank you, Art.
	That was an awesome sound.
	I was curious, because when I was waiting, I heard that entire... And I wondered, what in the world?
	And you weren't on, and I was hearing every bit of that, and I went, what in the world?
	That was me making sure it would work after I burned the CD.
	Incredible.
	All right.
	And so is what happened to you, Daryl.
	I have a doctor that I interviewed, that I know that you know, who removes implants.
	I have others who claim they have implants.
	And now you met this other fellow who had an implant inserted, obviously, the very same way you did, or close to it.
	Do you have any idea, since you've had it, since your friend that you've now met has had it, has it done anything you're aware of?
	The implant.
	In my view, and I've headed up 23 surgical operations, we have a cardiovascular surgeon that does our work currently, and in all these operations, the questions we ask Whether we do them directly or whether they've been done by someone at the VA hospital or other places where we've asked for them to be done, usually without giving any information alien-wise or anything about it, just other than it's curious and it needs to be removed.
	Many of the abductees, with the exception of only a couple, felt like they were free once the object is removed.
	Now, whether that's psychological, psychogenic, or psychosomatic, Probably some of all.
	Maybe all, any or part or whatever.
	They seem to feel very good about that.
	Only two reported that they felt like it should have remained and so on.
	So one of the things we're doing now is to look at the objects in situ, inside the body, and see if we can find any evidence of anything occurring there.
	We do have a case in Italy That's been studied by a physicist and who's accredited our work at Sabre with the pioneering work in implants and so on.
	Good, good.
	Whatever that is.
	And I honestly don't know.
	That's fine.
	An expert.
	What does he conclude?
	What's he seen or what does he conclude?
	What he found in an object in a man's hand in Italy was that the individual, he started checking meridians.
	In the individual, and see if there was any possible connection to that.
	And he felt like that the individual was actually getting better from some enormous anger problems that they had.
	And it was his view that because the individual was getting better, that perhaps the implant was doing something good for him in that respect.
	And I asked the question, I said, Doctor, I'm not trying to be negative here, I'm just I said, I'm going to put my police hat on here.
	I used to be a cop, and I worked in the intelligence community for two years in the Central Intelligence Agency.
	You did?
	That is correct.
	I said, so I want to ask you a question here with my little cop hat on.
	It's pretty blunt.
	And he said, go ahead.
	And I said, what makes you think they're not the cause of the anger to begin with?
	Well, they weren't there at that point.
	Wouldn't that be a good answer?
	In other words, the implant had come and was now curing the anger, not the cause of it.
	Well, they agreed.
	In other words, you created the problem and now you're eliminating it.
	In the eyes of the abductee, you're his savior.
	Or did the anger begin with the implant?
	I just want to be clear here.
	Anger, in my opinion, would start before it did with me, and it has with many other abductees.
	Sometimes the abductees will focus their anger specifically on a parent.
	And the reason is simply because when you pin them down to this, when you finally isolate everything, especially in a therapeutic setting, you'll find in many cases that the anger focused on the parent by the abductee boils down to one particular issue.
	You didn't protect me.
	I guess I can see that, but again, going back to this doctor, they did an MRI and they found this object.
	Was there any way to describe it?
	You said a BB?
	It was a little ball-like object in the individual's hand.
	Another thing he found was that there were certain times That many of the abductees, we collated a lot of our information as well, and this is some of the things we came up with, that the specific times, 3 o'clock in the morning and other times specifically that abductees report most of their events occurring, not all of them certainly, because some of them are daylight events as some of mine were when I was hunting.
	But some of these times, these people are extremely susceptible based on their sleep patterns.
	Of course, now your debunkers are going to come after that and say, well, it's because it's sleep paralysis.
	Well, anybody that has half a brain knows about sleep paralysis and can figure that out.
	In fact, one of the parts in our book, a surgical nurse is writing it with me, and Pat goes into great detail, since she's also a surgical patient, of sleep paralysis and other altered states from various kinds of anesthesia, drugs, and so on, and what they do and what they produce.
	So it's going to be quite an interesting read from that point of view.
	Because she goes into every state.
	Well, look, the fact that there's an implant in somebody, that's about enough for me.
	I've had them described in various ways by a surgeon who's actually cut into them, and they're covered by some sort of web-like material.
	That is really strange and resists even the very sharpest scalpels.
	And then sort of after a while, after it's out, if they can get it, disintegrates.
	And so, you know, I've heard a lot about this.
	I mean, there is something to it.
	Something is being put in people.
	The objects that we retrieved, we actually took and placed in a scientific setting through the National Institutes of Discovery Science.
	Uh, and had, uh, 18 of their scientists review, uh, the work that had been done.
	You mean Bob Bigelow's organization?
	No, Bob Bigelow's outfit.
	Okay, so they... Ogvele and a number of other scientists were present during that meeting.
	Yes.
	They grilled us very, very well and we were funded for a study to find out what in the world these particular objects were.
	There were four objects in this one, one particular setting.
	uh... removed from two people yeah that's just just one one of many cases but the the findings were rather remarkable uh... from my point of view simply because uh... they turned out to be meteoric in origin and lamellar needle-like projections simply do not exist inside people with eleven different elements wrapped around them and uh... yeah hold on uh... now when you say meteoric in origin that means that They found exactly what that doesn't belong on Earth?
	They found a... First, it's important for your audience to understand this, that the objects were sent to scientists, dispassionate, who had no knowledge of any alien or any surgery, anything.
	All they got was metal that they were to analyze.
	They were paid $22,000 to analyze metal.
	That's it.
	They analyze it and they come up with a report that says this is from the rare Wittmannstatten or the Yauchung meteorite.
	Period.
	Ah, only because they find ratios that are not consistent with anything on Earth.
	Ratios of different metals and so forth that aren't here on Earth.
	That's how they know something comes from elsewhere.
	Very true.
	So your scientists then concluded that whatever this was, whatever in the hell it was, it didn't come from here.
	Well, they were also stunned by the fact that it had 11 different elements surrounding it that shouldn't be there.
	Right.
	That made no sense whatsoever.
	Any indication from those who studied it of any machine-like or functional nature?
	No.
	As a matter of fact, let me back up just a little bit to set the stage a little better for the audience.
	In 1994, I was invited to speak to 250 surgeons at John Muir Medical Hospital.
	The subject was Medical Complications of Alleged Human-Alien Contact.
	Now, this is a continuing education program for surgeons, and here I come in with this presentation, and they're literally, literally stunned at what the presentation is, and they're stunned that there's medical evidence, and they're amazed that I'm not, I told them I'm not here to convince you of this The entities that do this stuff, I'm simply asking you to, really, I want you to prove me wrong.
	That's what I'm here for.
	And here's how you prove me wrong.
	And I told them, when these people start coming in, and I brought two abductees who had medical anomalies on them, and they gave their testimony, and I told the surgeons, I said, listen, if you'll start checking these Lumps, bumps, scars, and different things these people come in with.
	What you're going to find is some of these people are going to have nerve cells that are not native to that part of the body in this place.
	What you're looking for most of the time is to see if it's benign or it might be cancerous.
	That's pretty much all you're looking for.
	Please start analyzing these things closer and you'll, if they're really alien in origin, I said, here's what you're going to find.
	I said, so prove me wrong.
	Here are the points.
	First of all, you'll find that there'll be no technology, no discernible technology whatsoever.
	None.
	That's the first thing that's going to stun everybody about these implants when they're first removed.
	Second, we're going to find that nerve cells are not going to be, uh, are going to be present that are not native to that part of the body.
	Right.
	And third, I said, in some cases, I said, well, I think a lot of what we're looking at right now, the metal and the other implants that we're looking at here in these CAT scans, MRIs and x-rays, In fact, or passe, they're actually old and outdated.
	I think what we're going to eventually start finding are biological implants in people.
	It's going to be an accident when we find it.
	And they're going to have nerve cells that are really bizarre because they're going to be central nervous system cells.
	In essence, you would have a little mini brain right there in any part of the body.
	And their findings after they went to look for what you suggested?
	In the first set of surgeries that were public, and I had already done some that were private, but we did some that were public as well.
	Yes.
	And what we found was those statements.
	In fact, the two surgeons that were involved in this called me at 11 o'clock that night and said, you're not going to believe what we found.
	I said, I'll bet I do.
	They said no signs of inflammatory response like you predicted to those surgeons, wrong nerve cells present, no discernible technology.
	We don't even know what the thing is.
	And they were, of course, just stunned.
	And I said, they said, well, how in the world did you, could you possibly know?
	And I said, well, you're not going to like the answer.
	And they said, what's that?
	I said, I was there.
	12 years old, 1960, in Alamogordo, New Mexico.
	I got the same procedure.
	I said, I know what happens to these people.
	I was there.
	I don't have to research it.
	I was present.
	I am an eyewitness.
	All right, so you got all this confirmed, and that's a lot to have confirmed.
	Meteoric in origin, not of this Earth, in other words, and removed from a human body, and you called it.
	So, so now what?
	Well, we also thought, also decided that there were other things we need to be looking for, too.
	This was 1992, and I, we had a lady who was in Houston, Texas, who was a millionaire, And of course she, she said, you don't understand, we're quite well to do and we don't have these kind of problems.
	We don't have time for it and we don't have, we just don't have these kind of problems.
	I see, we're above them.
	I said, yes ma'am, I understand the problem, but here you are and here I am and here you are with your therapist because you have severe headaches, so severe that they have to take you away in an ambulance when you start talking about this UFO thing.
	Why do you suppose that might be?
	Well, anyway, long story short is I pulled out a black light and said, uh, do you mind if I check you with this?
	And she said, um, of course had another investigator there and the inner psychotherapist.
	And she said, well, not at all.
	Go ahead.
	And I said, I just want to look at your exposed skin.
	And, um, what does a black light tell you?
	What we found on this woman was in the invisible range, uh, below 400 nanometers.
	Using a black light, it excited a portion on the inside of her arm of a Mandelbrot set.
	A Mandelbrot set is a fractal.
	It's like the king of all fractals.
	It's like a crop circle.
	Exactly.
	And it was on the inside of her arm in brilliant blue.
	and she did not know that you know do you even have the how did you anticipate
	that you would find that How did you know you would find that?
	What prior research had you done indicating... I had to go back to... The surgical nurse asked me the same question.
	She said, I'm just stunned.
	I have to ask this question.
	She said, how do you come up with these flashes of intuition?
	Well, first of all, intuition shows up in your handwriting.
	I said, and it's in mine.
	But intuition is not something you can necessarily trust, it's just something you use.
	So, the nurse and I both want to know, how did you even know to look?
	First of all, I suspected and put the police hat back on.
	If a crime has been committed, in my view, they're crimes.
	If a crime of abduction has been done, and if it's real, if it's real, If these events are real, it is incumbent upon us as abductees, or anyone else investigating this, to make a case.
	We don't sit around and talk stories.
	I'm with you.
	We have to come up with evidence.
	Good.
	So, I think that if... I was seeing physical marks on these people in the visible light spectrum.
	Alright.
	Well, the question is, there's other kinds of light.
	35 seconds, and what I need to know is how you even knew to look with a black light.
	I sensed That these entities see in the invisible range, and that's the reason it's almost impossible to photograph them, because they see your cameras on whenever you set them up.
	So in other words, you were using an intuitive bit of knowledge.
	That is correct.
	And it was sort of a good guess is what it was.
	According to a DSP satellite specialist, they use infrared, ultraviolet, and visible light to see plumes of nuclear missiles firing and this sort of thing to
	protect us, these 18 satellites called the DSB satellites. Right.
	When he met me in Los Angeles he said, I've got the biggest question in the world. He said, how in
	the world could you possibly think that? And I said, because that's how they see.
	Incidentally, just a quick note, a number of people have fast blasted to say,
	you know, that's not the right recording you're playing of the earth tearing
	Yes, it is.
	The recording I have is identical to the ones that others have sent.
	It's a rolling thunder, I guess would be described, kind of a rolling thunder.
	A horrible sound, and that is indeed there, along with the beeping.
	Now, my recording is one of the ones that came directly from the folks that did this, and I caught the alarms going off with it, so that's what you're hearing.
	But the fact that the rolling didn't come through to everybody, it did to some.
	You know, as I go through, it's about 50-50.
	If your receiver didn't have a good bass response, you're not going to be able to hear it.
	But it was clearly there, along with the alarm sound.
	Some have a recording of just the rolling thunder sound alone, and that's fine.
	But for some people with small radios, small speaker systems, it's just not going to come through.
	So it was definitely there in spades, but you just couldn't hear it.
	Now, once again, with regard to Daryl Simms, Daryl, that's how I feel about it.
	You know, I mean, people telling stories, interesting, even fascinating, but stories.
	When you get down to, we've pulled this from somebody's body, we've had it tested, and it's not of Earth origin, then you've placed your hand on something that's definitely a notch above in the proof category.
	I think that's what it's all about.
	At some point, we have to get away from just the stories, and since I've traveled worldwide and got over a thousand cases worldwide, you have to, obviously the events are real, you're going to come up with certain things, features that work.
	Number one, traits or things that occur to abductees are consistent worldwide in any language, even where they live out in the bush of Brazil, it doesn't make any difference.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I mean, if we ever want to prove this to the greater scientific community, we have to come up with just the kind of thing you're talking about right now.
	You're also talking about some, there's some woman, apparently, that you're aware of, that has been, she feels, implanted, genetically inseminated, artificial insemination of some sort.
	Is that correct?
	That is also correct.
	That is one of the most remarkable cases that came to me.
	Tell me about it.
	Fascinating.
	Tell me.
	I was at a conference in the United States and a lady came up to me and about 10 o'clock at night, Bud Hopkins and I were all going to, several of us were going to dinner, and this elderly lady said, Mr. Sins, would you work with me?
	I've been waiting to see you for a long time.
	And I said, young lady, we're going to go eat, and this is a previous arranged meeting and all that, and I'll tell you what, if you're here when I get back, if you fill these forms out, I'll be glad to work with you.
	But you were having dinner with Bud?
	Dinner that evening, we're leaving the next morning.
	With Bud Hopkins?
	Yes.
	Got it.
	So, I came back about 11 o'clock, and this lovely lady was standing there with her little forms, about 20 page forms all filled out, sitting there in the middle of the night, I'm leaving the next morning and... What are these standard abductee forms?
	They're abduction forms that we put together, Dale Musser and myself, in 1992.
	We had them finalized and they have become a standard in some circles.
	Quite effective for enlisting information.
	So we went to my room and we sat down and talked.
	I'm a retired surgical nurse and she said, so I have, I know a lot about what I'm going to be telling you about.
	And I said, very good.
	I said, I prefer professional if I can get that.
	Of course.
	And so what's your story?
	And she said, well, she said, I've been to a hypnotist and, uh, we get all the way up to an event where I, uh, everything gets real foggy and I see two, there are two entities.
	So I can remember this even consciously.
	So there's like, there's someone in the room, two people in the room and I can't figure out what they're doing there.
	I'm just completely blocked.
	I can't figure anything out.
	She said, can you help me?
	And I said, yes, I can.
	And she says, um, why couldn't a hypnotist get this information?
	I said, because, uh, if your story is real, I said, and I'm going to find that out real quick here.
	Uh, you're going to find out that the, uh, entity has a place to block inside your memory.
	And she said, why would they do that?
	And I said, well, I really don't want to discuss all that with you.
	Let's find out first of all, if you even have a real event or not.
	I said, you know, we, we don't know that yet.
	And she said, well, the event is so severe that I divorced my husband over it.
	So she said, this is not something I took lightly.
	And I said, why would you divorce your husband over this event?
	She said, we had decided not to have sex during this time years ago in the time of Betty and Barney Hill.
	Yes.
	And she describes almost the exact same procedure, up to the point where everything gets real dark and she can't figure anything out.
	Now, wait a minute.
	They didn't have sex, so there was no chance that they were going to have a pregnancy, right?
	She was not going to have a pregnancy.
	She wanted to finish up the end of her work and then she would Become the housewife, so to speak, and stay at home, and they would have their children.
	They were going to really plan this thing out very well.
	But unexpectedly, obviously, she wakes up in the middle of the night here, and there's semen all over her stomach, and she's, her husband's sound asleep, and she wakes up and just slaps him silly, and he thinks she's completely insane, and she says, you know, you're, she says all kinds of expletives about What happened to her?
	And there's no other explanation, of course, than him.
	And he doesn't have a clue what in the world's going on.
	Well, he denied it and she accused him of it.
	And basically, they're both telling the truth.
	Neither one of them know the whole story.
	And they divorced over it.
	And so I kind of butted in.
	I said, no, wait a minute.
	What happened next?
	She said, well, I became pregnant.
	I said, no, wait, wait, wait.
	You're saying that you woke up with semen all over your stomach.
	Two people are in the room, you don't know, short people and you can't describe them, and your husband's sound asleep.
	You divorced him over this matter.
	She says yes.
	So that's the part I don't get.
	She divorced him or he divorced her?
	She divorced him.
	She divorced him.
	But she's aware, she has to be aware, if there's two other people in the room, that it just wasn't hubby in a bad dream.
	Well, she couldn't put together the idea, first of all, anything.
	These are normal people.
	There aren't any aliens.
	I mean, normal people don't have these type things.
	And this can't happen.
	True enough.
	This can't happen.
	So, it was him.
	It had to be.
	So, she said, I, uh... She said, well, I became pregnant.
	What do you think?
	And I said, uh... I think we guys always get the raw deals.
	I said, so you... Then, uh, the fetus disappeared in the first trimester.
	Disappeared?
	And she looked at me, puzzled, and said, why are you saying that?
	You made the guess that it disappeared?
	I made the guess because you hear these stories over and over again.
	It's true.
	And she says she's puzzled because she doesn't know.
	She is not in the UFO anything and she doesn't understand what I'm even talking about.
	Right.
	And I said, well, I'm just going to shut up and let you tell your story.
	And she said, okay.
	She said, no.
	I said, well, no.
	Then the fetus disappeared in the second trimester, which is real unusual.
	She said, why are you saying these things?
	She said, no, I had, I had a full-term pregnancy.
	Oh.
	I said, what, what, what, whoa, stop the bus.
	Right.
	Are you telling me, claiming that you have a full-term pregnancy due to what may have been some type of artificial insemination?
	She said, yes.
	And she said, now Mr. Sims, I told you I was a surgical nurse and I'm not somebody who just walks in here with some wild story.
	I've been a surgical nurse for 35 years and I've seen about everything.
	Well, Darryl, it is a pretty wild story.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	This baby was born normally, you're telling me?
	My first question to her was, was there anything unusual about the birth of your child?
	She said, yes.
	She said, I don't know how to describe this any other way.
	Just tell me in your own words.
	She said, my son looked like a human grasshopper when he was born.
	Sorry.
	A human grasshopper?
	She said he was the strangest looking child.
	She said he's normal now.
	She said, but he was not normal when he was born.
	He was so odd looking.
	Did she get photographs?
	She did have some photographs.
	They were not really clear enough that I got any impression.
	This is quite a while ago when these were taken.
	I mean, old box cameras and the whole nine yards.
	So I said, OK, let's now you've interested me enough to find out if your story is And where now was Little Grasshopper?
	Well, I asked her, I said, is he okay?
	And she said, yeah, he's perfectly normal now.
	And I said, has he had a troubled childhood?
	And she said, you have no idea.
	And I said, well, would your son be available for some type of DNA test?
	Indeed.
	And she said, I don't think there would be a problem.
	Well, I already have hair samples currently.
	The next thing we'll do is get a swab inside the mouth and send it off.
	Oh, so you haven't done that yet?
	We're fixing to do that.
	Oh, my goodness.
	She says, well, now wait a minute.
	She said, what do you think we'll find?
	And I said, well, let me work with you a bit.
	Let me first of all see if I think there's anything to your story.
	Retro question.
	Beyond that.
	Retro question, Daryl.
	Why had there not been a test with regard to paternity for support of little grasshoppers?
	First of all, she's divorced from her husband, and it's the strangest thing with many abductees.
	They never, ever... It's almost as if these people are told not to look or not to look for evidence.
	It's one of the reasons it's difficult to get abductees to even come forward with evidence.
	And I've done this in support groups and asked people, how many of you people ever feel like you've had a medical procedure of some kind by these entities?
	Almost every hand will go up.
	How many of you people will go down and get an x-ray for me tomorrow, or this week, or this month, and all hands will go down?
	Why do you think that?
	They won't do it, because they're instructed not to do it.
	These entities do not want anyone having any evidence of their existence.
	Yeah, I suppose not.
	They'll keep it in the nebulous.
	I suppose so.
	And I guess if you buy Part A, you gotta buy Part B. They wouldn't want what they were doing known.
	To connect the dots for me, when I went into the Central Intelligence Agency during the Vietnam War, one of the things I found out in my training, and of course I didn't sit there and tell them that I was a previously inductee or anything like that, but one of the things I noticed about our training and the things that we did in the company was we did two things primarily.
	One is we lied, and we lied consistently.
	About everything.
	And so you began on the right line foot, and you didn't tell them about your abduction experience.
	Now see, when you apply to the CIA, it's bad form to do that.
	Would not be hired, probably, or taken into the company under that range.
	So I found out that based on our training, everything we were doing, the entities had been doing the same thing in my life and in the lives of other people, doing the same thing.
	To me, it looked like an intelligence project.
	If I might ask, did you do for the CIA?
	It was called sheep dipping.
	Sheep dipping is a process where the Central Intelligence Agency goes in and takes military people, and I volunteered during the Vietnam War for that effort.
	I was at Fort Gordon at Military Police School, and while there about 70 of us were asked to go to a special building And we had no idea why we had been picked or chosen or anything.
	We had no idea that they, that we'd all been looked at long before.
	And, uh, when we got, we were sent to this building and, uh, they were asked, we asked, there were three people there and asked us a lot of questions and they pretty much cleaned out the room with the exception of about 20 people.
	And I was one of the ones that was left and they asked all kinds of questions after that.
	And then they singled us out and interviewed us and, And I kept asking questions.
	I said, wait a minute, I need to know some questions.
	Why are you guys all dressed in suits?
	Are you military?
	They said, yes.
	I said, are you CID?
	That means Criminal Investigation Division and Military Police, which these guys dressed in suits.
	They're our detectives.
	I'm in military police school, but that doesn't mean you don't know about the military police.
	I said, so are you CID?
	And they said, no.
	Then why are you out of uniform, sir?
	He said, I can't tell you that.
	Well, unbeknownst to us, these are military liaison.
	They're the sheep dippers.
	They're basically the people who go into the military and pick out what they want for their particular projects, for their covert operation projects.
	Alright, let me try again.
	What were you doing for the CIA?
	What I was doing for the Central Intelligence Agency was providing a number of security for one, and second, I also taught martial arts in the Central Intelligence Agency.
	To dependents and some of their personnel.
	One of the purposes of what we were doing, ultimately, in the entire effort, was to take JOTs, or Junior Officer Trainees, people who are recruited at universities and colleges.
	If they meet the criteria, and especially if they have specialized language skills, like Farsi and Chinese and appropriate languages, They would be taken and if they again pass those tests and so on and pass their top secret clearance and other evaluations, then they would be sent to one of three different installations in the United States, top secret installations for CIA training.
	I was at one of those areas. That's where I participate. As a teacher?
	One of the things, no, not necessarily.
	When they found out what skills I had after I got there, my primary function was providing security for covert
	operations and, gosh this is...
	You're not supposed to talk about this?
	Well some of the stuff we did... Oh no, go right ahead.
	It's ugly.
	I can handle ugly.
	I can handle ugly.
	Go ahead.
	One of the things that happened while I was in the company, years ago, is they borrowed somebody from another continent.
	Angola, in particular.
	Borrowed.
	We had a communist problem down in Angola.
	And one of the things that happened was an individual there, one of the leaders in that effort... Don't other people call that kidnapping?
	Actually, it is.
	Yes.
	You borrowed a person.
	They borrowed him, but he never knew where he was at.
	Yes.
	In fact, our methods were so effective that What did you do with this borrowed person?
	Well, I didn't do anything with him.
	My part of the operation was to provide security for operations that were ongoing.
	And later I found out what... You provided security for the loan officers?
	Yeah.
	I didn't find out until later what was actually Going on what I was providing security for.
	Right.
	Yeah, I understand you only get your part of any... Well, I was really surprised because there was one of our guys who works in the... Who is a civilian.
	Are you ready for this?
	He's a civilian with a top-tier clearance.
	Working there in... In the Public Works Department.
	With an AK-47.
	Like he was from some other country, dressed appropriately.
	This individual, when he apparently got here... This is getting pretty strange.
	He never knew he was in America.
	Never, ever knew any of this.
	This was like something out of Mission Impossible.
	It's getting strange, definitely.
	He never knew.
	In fact, when he was allowed to get out and walk the grounds during the day, I later found out, he even found gum wrappers from the place he was supposed to be at.
	That they had accidentally left there for him to find, of course.
	They even imported the bugs from the country he was supposed to be at in the little prison that they had.
	So he'd feel right at home?
	There was no way you could not know that you were in the country you were supposed to be.
	Boy, that's strange.
	I give you that.
	That's strange.
	So they didn't even want him to know he'd been borrowed?
	Well, the curious thing about me was that all the stuff that I saw go on in the company, the alien was doing the exact same thing to us.
	They lied and they lied consistently.
	Uh-huh.
	And borrowed all the time.
	exactly general when you think really hard or not so hard about
	all we've been discussing these are really extraordinary claims you're
	The latest having to do with your military record and the CIA.
	I get people that From time to time ask me, you know, how in the world could you be in the CIA if you're in the Army?
	It's real simple.
	Actually, you've told us.
	It's actually quite easy.
	The interesting thing is that here's something I like to hand to my detractors.
	There is a thing called a questionnaire for public trust positions.
	It's equivalent to the standard form 85 P.U.S.
	used by the Office of Personnel Management.
	It's about 41 pages in length.
	If you fill that out and you sign it, Yes.
	You commit a federal crime if you sign that, knowing that there are errors on it.
	Everything that I've told you concerning my military police record as a senior military police officer, 95B40, including my private investigations license and so on and so on, all these other things, all that stuff that's listed, it's a federal felony for you to lie on that form.
	Okay.
	I literally am handing somebody what they need.
	You know, if you want to get me, this is the way to do it.
	If I never was in the CIA... In fact, when I talked about being a martial arts instructor for civilian and for some of their personnel as well, which I did this on for a while there, there is a letter that went to Langley from our installation by our station chief.
	and he forwarded this and there are approximately hold them up
	to be about the approximately twenty names i have a count of them
	but those names that are all hand signatures
	on that recommendation letter to my of how well i'm conducting my classes and
	yes uh... all of this sort of thing if you'll get frank a g's book
	the expose on the central intelligence agencies the uh...
	case officer that finally turned on the company
	It is listed in there?
	Those 20, the number of those people are mentioned, the signatures on there are in his book on the people he exposed as station chiefs all over the world.
	They're handwritten on my documentation.
	There again, you know, you can go ahead and fake a document like that if you want to, but it's a felony.
	Alright.
	In addition, do you have any military records remaining?
	Of course.
	You have what is called a DD Form 214.
	DD Form 214.
	Any of this reflected on your 214?
	Here's how you get sheep dipped.
	here now what you're here's the thing here's the deal with the uh... here's
	how you get cheap dip here's how they cover that when they sent from town fancy or any other branch decides
	to take you like that and intelligent community
	if they wanted want to do this uh... you just stay on record as in the military
	and what happens you get transferred to wherever it is you're supposed to be your your
	Your record just basically ongoes, but where you were at in terms of your function is not going to show up.
	I can imagine that.
	Yeah, I see why.
	Yeah, I suppose so.
	But it does show where I was at.
	But it's not going to say Central Intelligence Agency on it, but now the records that I have personally that were given to me for my trustworthiness and everything else as a martial arts teacher and so on, and of course the photographs that I have are on the installation and from the installation.
	And it's definitely the Central Intelligence Agency.
	So you're basically an abductee who became an investigator, who wanted to know so much what happened to him that he became an investigator.
	Is that fair?
	Well, it's not as flamboyant as that.
	It's not even that good a story.
	It's much more simple.
	I was willing to let all this kind of be okay with me.
	I mean, I really didn't like the abduction business, but it stopped and so I could deal with it.
	The problem is my son became an abductee at age six.
	Now, the problem is with me, it's just real simple.
	You mess with me and I can live with it.
	You mess with my children and I'll come after you.
	So I basically started hunting the predator at that point.
	Darryl... It became personal.
	What do you believe the motivation for most abductions is?
	I wish I knew the answer to all that, but I think we can at least come up with some... Please do.
	Some preliminary things at least.
	Reproduction?
	I don't have a handle on this business of what it is that they seem to be interested in genetically.
	When they're inseminating people?
	Artificial insemination.
	Apparently this takes place.
	Betty and Barney Hills, they reported it.
	This lady, this surgical nurse, she reported it.
	There again, as I told her, I said eventually I think what we're going to find, and I said After her case was over, I told her, I said, what I think we're going to find is if your story is true.
	And I said, and I still don't know if it is or isn't, but if it is true, uh, what we're going to find is that your husband is not the daddy, but then that's not going to surprise any, anybody really.
	They're just going to say you slept with someone.
	She's a very moral lady.
	She would take that very personally if someone said that to her face, she'd probably slap you.
	The second thing I said that I think we're going to find with some of these ladies, uh, if they're, Pregnancy comes a term is that the mother is probably not going to be the mommy.
	Is the DNA going to reveal itself to be in any way non-human or beginning to be non-human in some manner?
	I don't think so.
	Again, I'm sure there are people in the audience love to hear a different story on this.
	I don't think that's going to be the case.
	Okay.
	I think what's going to happen in some of these cases where there's strong evidence of this, we're going to find that the mommy and the daddy are not the mommy and daddy of the child.
	And then they're not going to be adopted.
	There's going to be an actual birth record.
	Not only the daddy's DNA.
	Not even the mommy.
	So the DNA will be separate from both the dad and the mom.
	Well, look at the story.
	Suppose the stories of them taking eggs and sperm from different abductees is true.
	What would be a logical assumption that one would take if those stories are true?
	Well, you would That's what I think we may find.
	You think that's going to turn out to be the case with the baby grasshopper?
	I don't know with her, but I'm pretty sure we're going to find out that the husband's not the daddy.
	I think that's going to be real clear.
	But in some cases, I think, because we've got actually three of these cases, not one, Art, I have three cases like this.
	Right, and I've heard, I must say Darryl, I've heard of many others.
	This is not exactly unique.
	This whole genetic, artificial insemination, sexual aspect to abduction, when you really get to know somebody.
	You really get to know them, like Whitley Strieber, for example.
	Maybe sometimes years later, even though we've known each other very well, it came out one night spontaneously on the air that there was, in fact, a sexual aspect to it.
	And to most abductions, when you dig deep enough, you find out something like that's in there.
	Art, one of the reasons that this is not spoken a lot about is because, number one, it doesn't sell.
	Two things won't sell in the UFO field.
	One is the sexual aspect of what these entities do to you as a child, and they don't do it to everybody, but there often is a sexual aspect of it to children.
	Well, it sells in every other kind of novel.
	Sex sells, Daryl.
	Well, the problem with this is, if you're selling certain kinds of books in the field, this and the human aspect of it, where death or severe Uh, trauma occurs.
	That's not a very good seller.
	People don't want to hear that.
	They want to hear they're here to save the planet, fix the ozone hole, or whatever.
	And I'm sorry they're not here.
	If they were going to do that, they'd have done it thousands of years ago, and they didn't.
	The cosmic Maytag man who got a wake-up call.
	Yeah, not that.
	So if we screw it up, we do it all on our own.
	Exactly.
	Take responsibility for it.
	But still, this is such a personal, private intrusion.
	I mean, rape carries with it one of the heaviest sentences behind bars you can get for a good reason.
	And that's what this is.
	As a former law enforcement person, I don't see how you can see it any other way, as borrowed equals kidnapping.
	So, you know, kidnapping and artificial insemination equal that and rape.
	Well, to me, that there again goes back to the same old thing concerning my own child.
	You know, when stuff like this happens to your own children, and then you later find that your brother's an abductee, you're an abductee, your son's an abductee. You found out your brother was too.
	Well it gets better. Well we know... My other brother marries the lady and she's an abductee and her mother's an abductee.
	He later divorces her, marries another lady,
	and the entire family are abductees. I mean, and these people are the type of people, we don't have
	those kind of problems.
	Alright. I've...
	They describe everything exactly.
	I have talked to other guests.
	One comes to mind from the Bay Area some years ago who said that they're all over the place.
	They're grown adults.
	You pass them on the street, you don't know it.
	There are a lot of, in quotes, them here.
	Do you believe that?
	Again, I do not have any I have the stories of that, but I've never met any of them, so to speak.
	I definitely have abductees who are as credible, and I guarantee you, you would be glad to have them on a... I mean, there are people in the medical field, some of them doctors.
	I mean, one of them is in the Who's Who of Houston for doctors, an abductee.
	I've got three abductees that are NASA scientists.
	I mean, which of these people do you not like?
	So these are credible, decent people.
	And it's not that you have to be a doctor or anything to be credible anyway.
	Just because someone sees something, hears something, or feels something that most others have not experienced doesn't make them a liar.
	As Travis Walton says, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
	It's just not true.
	Travis Walton is absolutely, I think in my mind, the best case Uh, that I ever heard about.
	I, as you know, I interviewed him at great length several times.
	And the story never screwed up.
	The story was right on from everybody involved.
	It wasn't just one witness.
	It was many witnesses, as you know.
	Well, he told me one time, he says, uh, he said, well, I was missing for days here.
	And he said, they said for days, he said, I thought it was 20 minutes.
	And I said, how do you explain the disparities?
	He says, I don't, I don't have an answer for that, Daryl.
	And I said, maybe I can give you one that'll help you.
	He said, okay.
	I said, suppose you were traveling at a relativistic speed.
	How long would you be gone?
	Right.
	He says, oh.
	And I said, to us, back here, it might be days.
	It might be 20 minutes to you.
	Travis, necessarily would have considered, but I'm telling you, I really carefully interviewed this man, his boss, and so forth and so on.
	That really happened.
	There is no question in my mind, that really happened.
	Very decent, outstanding guy.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It really happened.
	Now, we all want to know if this is true.
	Fantastic as much of it sounds, and you would have to delve into it, and you can if you want to, by the way.
	I'm sure we can give you ways that you can get behind Darrell Simms' work and decide for yourself.
	It's veracity.
	Darrell, you've got a website?
	Yes, I do.
	www.alienhunter.org.
	www.alienhunter.org.
	If you want to write me, you can just click on Alien Hunter there and it'll email me and I'd love to hear from you.
	I don't care if you agree, disagree, like it or don't like it.
	It really doesn't make me any difference because I have a real simple philosophy.
	And that is?
	I'm not here to make anyone believe anything.
	That is not my purpose.
	If anyone thinks that's the reason I'm here, you've missed my whole point to being here tonight.
	Well, what is your whole point in being here?
	My point in being here is to... Are you alerting people?
	In fact, there is, in fact, credible evidence that people can review if they choose to.
	What I mean, Darrell, is do you feel like you're warning people, informing, just informing people?
	You want them to know that what?
	That they are here, that they are doing something, but we don't know what?
	I think that they, whoever they are, have been here for quite a while.
	I think they've been in various cultures.
	You can go back, in my opinion, And see their handiwork.
	When you go back to the Irish, as an example, 45% of our abductees are Native American Indian Irish, which is a staggering number.
	If you look at this, even in the Irish, you find stories that they're little people, and you find fairies and gnomes.
	And you said 45% are Irish?
	45% are Native American Irish that are abductees that we work with.
	We just were stunned at the number.
	That is amazing.
	I'm Native American and an Irish myself, so this is one of the things I started looking for, and we were just shocked to see that number that high among the cases we worked with.
	31% of these people, up to 31% because this fluctuates based on your database.
	Do you have any guesses about why?
	Well, in the case where we have 31% of abductees in some cases reporting rare drug allergies to prokanes, Uh, one way that you might have an allergy to something is to actually be infected or affected by it in some way.
	In other words, someone may have given you prokanes in some way or another, either through injections or whatever.
	Over a period of time, you finally became allergic to it.
	But prokane allergies are extremely rare.
	In fact, if you tell your doctor, I have a prokane allergy, You'll probably laugh at you and say they're so rare that we never even test them.
	Alright Darrell, again, are you trying to warn people?
	Inform people?
	What message are you trying to send out?
	I'd like to inform people and for them to make their own decision.
	And everybody has their own level of where they want to enter that or Or accepted, I suppose.
	Okay, you're well aware, I know, that there are a number of people who are quite pleased with the fact that they have an implant.
	They're absolutely okay with it.
	You know that?
	Yes.
	We have several of them.
	How much of a percentage do you think that group makes up?
	First of all, I want to make this very clear to your audience.
	There are a lot of stories about a lot of people being implanted and, first of all, Your audience does need to know this, that I look at hundreds of x-rays every year worldwide.
	Right.
	I mean hundreds of them.
	Right.
	And I find almost no, maybe less than 1% of people who have actually have an object that may be referred to as an implant.
	And in a number of those, you'll find that many of the objects that you're finding there, assuming that it's a real object and it's not just a mistake on the x-ray or whatever, That, in fact, many of those are due to something else, such as a guy that claimed he had never had a previous surgery, yet we found a clavicular screw in his shoulder.
	Well, I'm sorry, the aliens didn't do that.
	That's from a previous surgery.
	You may not have known it, you may have forgotten it, or you may not have told the truth.
	But the fact is, that's a human device there.
	And implants are extremely rare.
	I think that the implanted or embedded objects, as I like to use the term, Embedded objects are there for a purpose.
	I think a lot of them that we're finding are leftovers.
	They're old.
	Many of them have been moved.
	On that show I like, Dr. House, he says, frankly, patients lie.
	All patients lie.
	Well, I had one case where we removed a device from a guy's jaw and he claimed it was inserted there by some intelligence community.
	And I said, well, you don't really fit the criteria of a quote-unquote alien abductee.
	And I said, but I'm going to go ahead and spend the money and the time on you to take you through the surgery to find out what this is, because you claim that there are programming voices in your head and all this stuff.
	And that's true.
	Well, we removed the object, and it turned out to be a normal piece of lead, like from the spatter effect from a grenade or a bullet or something like that.
	But it was not...
	There was nothing unusual in any... Woodward and Bernstein got to the bottom of Watergate because they took the advice of, at that time, Deep Throat and followed the money.
	Darryl, do you do all this for money?
	It certainly isn't for money, first of all, and thank you for asking that question.
	Really?
	I mean that from my heart.
	You do?
	We have never charged anyone for any procedure we've done, either surgical or even the paper we let these people write on, we pay for ourselves.
	There is no fee.
	When you say we, you refer to... I mean, I have a team of about 30 scientists and doctors and other people that work with me from all over the world.
	That's a good answer.
	So you never take a penny.
	And they simply volunteer their time.
	So you never take a penny.
	Not a penny.
	Not a dime.
	Okay, that's impressive.
	Not money.
	Definitely impressive.
	I guess I want to go back to the very beginning of the show.
	You said you weren't sure if these were aliens or if these were...
	Entities of some other sort.
	Religious?
	Dimensional?
	The possibilities are nearly endless, Darryl.
	You're not at all sure in that category.
	Are they from Planet X?
	I don't think so, but the fact is that I don't think anyone ultimately really at this point knows, because like I said, they function just like we did in the intelligence community.
	We lied and we lied about everything.
	That's the nature of intelligence.
	That's what we do.
	It's called deception.
	That's what the business was about.
	And if you're not very good at it, then you lose and the other side wins.
	And I don't see the difference in this phenomena.
	I don't see the difference.
	Everywhere I find, I find subterfuge.
	I find that where these people have been deceived.
	We had a mass abduction of eight people in Houston and in another state.
	All eight taken at the same time, same place.
	All described the exact same location.
	Two of them came back with implanted devices.
	One of them we retrieved from a lady's eye.
	If you had to guess, I know you hate to do that, and I realize I'm asking you to guess,
	about what their motivation is in doing all of this, what would you say?
	Darryl?
	Yes, I'm here.
	If you had to guess about their motivation, what would you say?
	Well, the motivation of the individual, first of all... Of the entities.
	What they want.
	Entities themselves.
	What's their motivation?
	Well, first of all, I think the perception that's generally accepted in the UFO field is incorrect, and I'll explain that.
	The general view of the UFO field is that there is a lateral view, like a lineup, basically, in a police situation, where you're looking at your perpetrators.
	Or possible perps.
	Yes.
	And here you have the little entity, the little tiny guy that picks everybody up, usually disreported in their abduction scenarios.
	They basically are the pizza delivery guys, as I call them.
	They pick you up.
	You're just nothing more than pizza to them.
	I mean, they're either picking up or delivering you.
	They borrow you.
	That's it.
	And you get brought to a guy, in most cases, that looks similar to him, but he's taller and a lot smarter.
	The little guys, the first ones you meet are about like a 286 computer with legs.
	They're not really that intelligent.
	They're designed to do certain functions and nothing more.
	And they take you to Father Pentium.
	They pretty much.
	And he's often referred to by many abductees as the doctor or the guy that's going to do the exam on you and take care of you or whatever's going to happen.
	Then you may encounter a mantis-like being.
	You may encounter a human-type being and others.
	In that, but what I think the UFO people, the UFO community in general has missed, and there again I could be wrong here, but this is just my perception after 38 years of looking at this thing.
	My thinking is that there are several tiers of this, and the reason I say that is because in my last event, the guys that showed up were not the guys that showed up in the first event or in the other events for 13 years.
	I had a group full of people up in Tampa, Florida.
	The room was full of engineers and pretty educated people.
	One individual sitting in that room was worth $52 million that I knew about.
	And they asked a number of questions about my experiences.
	And I said, well, most of you people sitting in this room think they came here to save the planet.
	And I said, that's not my view.
	You probably won't want to hear my view.
	And I said, we really do.
	I want to hear your view.
	I said, well, my in my last experience, I said, I've never described the entities because I want people to describe them for me.
	Because if you can't describe them accurately, then you simply weren't there.
	It's just as simple.
	And I've had eight people be able to answer that question.
	If they're not here to save the planet, then what are they here for?
	These entities are here.
	The second tier and higher are the one that make those decisions.
	About what is to be done.
	And I think that based on what we're seeing, that the generational effects, how they seem to have followed us for who knows for how many generations, but... The answer to the question is... I think that there is an interest that they have in us, not that they're breeding things into us as some people believe, but It would make more sense to me that they were breeding things out of our lineage, not into it.
	Out of?
	Out of.
	So they want something in our DNA, is the answer?
	Or, they're simply... For instance, suppose it were a problem for them, that a lineage was a problem.
	Wouldn't it be better to try to manipulate that lineage if you couldn't do something else Then you might alter the... What's the difference in lab rats?
	If you have a series of lab rats and you've got this one series of lab rats that will not comply, they will simply will not obey.
	You can either get rid of the lab rats or you can try to alter them genetically.
	But you're going to have to get rid of that problem or you're going to have a problem with those lab rats from then on.
	Problems that could create problems for you if you had an agenda that... Alright, are you suggesting that then, to them, we are as lab rats are to us?
	I think the abductee and the contactee mentality shows it beautifully.
	For instance, if you're very compliant and you like your experience, or you think you like your experience, you're referred to as a contactee.
	Yes.
	If you don't, and the little genetic engineer, so to speak, picks you up and Handles you, and if it's me in this scenario, then I'm probably going to bite him.
	And he's probably going to thump me on the head and tell me I will remember instead of you won't remember.
	Yeah.
	And my experiences are going to be pretty unpleasant because I didn't cooperate.
	Right.
	And I didn't, and I didn't intend to, and I think that may be part of the reason.
	So the difference between an abductee and a contactee, one who has grown to enjoy it.
	I can't see the mentality.
	Alright, I did ask you earlier a question that you didn't answer.
	I asked, how many of this type are there, do you believe?
	What percentage of total abductees do you think are quite satisfied with their lot?
	I think that about 25% to 30% of abductees go along with it.
	They, in my opinion, have got the Stockholm Syndrome from the alien that they've literally identified with their captor.
	Right.
	I think that's as true as anything in the world.
	That argument came up between me and Dr. John Mack when I was in Istanbul, Turkey.
	He said, what we're finding is vastly different than what you're finding in some respects.
	He said a lot of our experiences are more, they're more of a... Would you say you have contempt for these people?
	For the entities?
	No, no, no, no.
	For the people that are satisfied with their lot of being implanted.
	Not at all.
	I think they have... It almost sounded like it.
	They've made a choice that they've chosen to accept, and I have to respect that, because there are people who actually do have experiences that are not horrific, and they really were not bad.
	There are other people who had horrific experiences, and they simply were instructed, you won't remember, and they simply didn't.
	However, when you use memory retrieval techniques with them, you find quite a different story.
	Many people are critical of memory recovery techniques, as I'm sure you're aware.
	In hypnosis, the power of suggestion, for example, is very strong.
	And it can easily be misused, with the net effect being the person, it is actually suggested to them that they had some specific experience.
	I agree that that can happen.
	The fact is that I did a demonstration down in Ventura, a UFO group in California, just about two years ago.
	And I took a hypnotist out of the crowd.
	This was in front of therapists and psychiatrists were present and other professionals were there as well.
	Right.
	And I hypnotized the hypnotist.
	And did what we, what you would refer to as a stage hypnosis.
	In other words, we had a lot of fun.
	She had her, I had her to hallucinate all kinds of things, being in a bus and a bumpy ride and all kinds of fun stuff.
	Everybody's laughing.
	And then I brought her out of this state and I looked at her and smiled and I said, tell us about it.
	She did.
	And I said, it was very real, wasn't it?
	She said, yes.
	And I said, young lady, you didn't go anywhere.
	We saw you right here.
	You never, there was no bus.
	There was no bus driver.
	There was no rain.
	There was no heat, nothing.
	Right.
	She said, that's true.
	But it was very real to you, that's true.
	I took another lady without hypnosis, who I knew was an abductee, I talked to her earlier that day, and without hypnosis was able to speak to her, just watching her linguistic patterns, and had her access memory that she had had blocked, but she was able to recover that memory very quickly and very powerfully without any hypnosis whatsoever.
	So I'm showing these people that you don't have to have.
	Memory recovery doesn't necessarily mean you have to be hypnotized.
	If it's not tripped by hypnosis, then what's another way to bring it on?
	Well, first of all, there are different techniques that are actually used for this.
	Dr. Haynes uses a technique, non-hypnosis technique, to recover memory.
	It's very effective, very conscious.
	Give me an idea of how it works.
	A good example is you can, and I took two The best example of this is, one is called a transderivational search.
	This is called a kinesthetic or a touch transderivational search where you can literally have a person recall the very first time they ever saw, for instance, if the entity was wonderful and kind and sweet and wonderful to them, you can take them back to the very first event.
	The very first time.
	But I'm asking about the means for taking this prison back.
	If not hypnosis, then what is the means?
	The means is, the body will make a series of associations all the way back to the very first time if you lose proper linguistic patterns and encode, because the memory encodes in certain ways.
	And if you understand that, they'll go back to the very first memory, which is often quite horrific.
	Not the kind, sweet memory that they were sitting here smiling about the moment.
	So it may be non-hypnosis, but it's still a suggestion technique.
	Yes?
	Not really.
	This particular technique is very... The reason the PhD psychologists love it, the reason I've taught it to them, is because it's not suggestive and it can pull up all kinds of things.
	It involved linguistics, right?
	In other words...
	That's why I wish you would have been there, because when you see this, it's just stunning to see the difference between hypnosis and something very conscious, non-suggested.
	But the fact is that you also have memory markers that occur in your memory.
	Maybe I could understand it this way.
	Suppose I were an abductee, what would you say to me to initiate this process?
	Well, one of the things that we do is just simply have you fill out a questionnaire.
	The questionnaire will tell me a lot about you.
	I hate questionnaires.
	I know, and this one is rather interesting.
	When people finish it, they literally... I bet they lie, too.
	Well, the nice thing is I'm a handwriting analyst.
	One of the things I look at when you fill this form out is your writing in it.
	When I get that form, I'm looking at your handwriting.
	If you have a propensity to be a liar, that shows up in your handwriting.
	If you have a propensity to exaggerate, That shows up in your handwriting.
	I've heard this.
	I've heard this.
	So I'm looking at every bit of this when I talk to these people.
	Look, I've held you here with a battery of questions when really I have an audience that wants to ask some.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Hi.
	Yes, hi.
	Thanks for this opportunity to ask us.
	You're going to have to yell at us when you're not talking.
	Thanks for the opportunity for this question.
	Daryl, It was mentioned in your bio that you do hypnosis anesthesia and I was wondering, being a person myself that needs really serious surgery and cannot have any anesthesia, if it's something that you teach or that you are present to do?
	Oh, that's a very good question.
	It's a very fair question.
	First of all, I have done hypnotic anesthesia in OR as well as outpatient basis with people.
	I do do that, but if you're in an area where I am not, I can recommend people, hypnotic anesthesia therapists, they can work with you.
	Are you saying it's real, Daryl?
	I've always wondered about that.
	You can hypnotize a person and say, look, somebody's going to cut into your flesh and it's not going to hurt.
	This will not hurt.
	And you can so impress them that indeed, you know, a doctor can begin to open somebody up and it won't hurt.
	In one of our films, I'm actually doing full hypnotic anesthesia with a lady in California.
	That could have been a simple yes or no.
	You can?
	Yes.
	The answer is yes.
	And the doctor was sitting there freaking out.
	He said, I can't believe I'm cutting on this woman with no anesthesia.
	This has got to be killing me, killing her.
	And she told me later, she said, tell that doctor to keep his big mouth shut.
	I'm not asleep.
	I heard every word he said.
	That's incredible.
	So she emails me.
	I'll be glad to give her the information she requires.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello, East of the Rockies.
	That's you all right.
	Hello, it's nice to talk with you again.
	I'm Amanda from the Carolinas.
	Good to talk to you.
	I have a comment and then a question.
	I had many experiences when I was growing up that you don't have time to go into.
	But in 1976, I actually remember seeing a gray.
	Yes.
	And in 1980, I started having deep puncture marks in my body.
	Always at the base where your neck and your head meet.
	Right.
	And between my eyes, and now in other places.
	And after these things, I would be so weak I couldn't even walk the next day.
	And I blew something out of my nose one day that was a silver thing, I guess about a half an inch long.
	And I mentioned it to somebody, and then a few days later, I had another puncture mark.
	If I may, what did you do with this thing?
	I tried to hang on to it, Art, and it disappeared.
	I mean, I don't know if it was taken or what.
	But after I had mentioned it to somebody else and talked with it, it's no longer in my possession what happened to it.
	I can't tell you exactly.
	Alright, Daryl, I bet you've heard a million stories like that, right?
	I'm sitting here giggling because abductees are instructed to destroy or get rid of evidence to make sure things disappear.
	So you're telling me she probably got rid of it herself?
	She could have, and not even known what she did.
	I know one man that had an object that attached to his back, he pulled it off, it was metallic, he was freaked out about it, threw it in the commode, flushed the commode, He said, what in the world have I done?
	And he actually jumped in the commode with both hands and tried to get it and retrieve it and lost it.
	But he said, I couldn't believe I destroyed my own evidence.
	Why would I do that?
	And I said, I don't know.
	Why don't you ask your captors?
	Um, I've actually heard that story.
	Now, where did I hear that story?
	Was that from you?
	No, others.
	I've heard it from others who do what you do and investigate this sort of thing, that people actually have destroyed their own evidence and then suddenly said, what the hell did I do that for?
	Exactly.
	That's why physical evidence in this field is difficult to acquire.
	It's not that it doesn't exist.
	You can find fluorescence on these abductees within 24 hours.
	Oh yeah, we've got a hit on fluorescence.
	I mean, it's amazing.
	When did you discover this fluorescence phenomenon?
	The fluorescence was discovered in 1992.
	The first case was the millionaire lady that I mentioned, and we found a Mandelbrot set on the inside of her arm.
	Right.
	Some of the fluorescence is due to physical touch.
	It's like, the best way to describe it is alien sweat.
	Since the little crop circle under her arm, since that moment, how much more fluorescence have you done?
	With what results?
	we have found uh...
	and uh...
	the for of you know you've got an absolutely love the internet uh...
	Benjamin in Paris, France says, Art, we've spoken on several occasions.
	Please, if you would, Art, refer to the books of Dr. David Jacobs.
	I've read Secret Life and The Threat.
	Mr. Sims would just be more objective in his findings and less emotional.
	Perhaps he'd be taken more seriously.
	Well, I don't know about that part of it, but I do want to ask you about The Threat.
	Dr. Jacobs is one Of only a very few people like yourself, Daryl, that I talk to that clearly suggests, you know, the people who think these are all warm, fuzzy little creatures ought to probably be themselves examined.
	I mean, he may not go quite that far, but that they're not necessarily warm and fuzzy.
	Their intentions toward us are not necessarily good, and that's a very minimal view in ufology.
	First of all, I met Dr. Jacobs in Brasilia, and he stood in a line of about 50 people, waited his turn, and whenever he finally got to me to speak, after my presentation, he looked at me and said, Darryl, I am sad to say that I am not familiar with your work.
	He said, first of all, I'm stunned that there is physical evidence.
	I did not know there was that kind of volume of evidence.
	And he said, and I just want to apologize that I'm I'm not more familiar with your work.
	That was Dr. Jacob's statement to me.
	Yeah, well, that said, it's irrelevant with regard to what I asked about.
	His main tenant is that these, whatever they are, don't have our best interests in mind, Errol.
	Do you agree, disagree with that?
	I don't think they have our interests in mind, and I don't even think they have... The first group that come to us, the ones that we see 99% of the time, They're not in charge anyway.
	They're just doing what they're instructed.
	The question we need to be asking is who sent them and why?
	Who's the boss?
	Yeah, good question.
	Anybody get any answers yet to that one?
	Some of the answers that I came up with was in my last event.
	The entities that showed up there were, in fact, different than the others.
	And the best way I could describe them, if I could describe them, From my point of view, and it's strictly personal, is that they acted more like something like the SS of the alien.
	I mean, they were there to enforce business.
	They were not there to give you any medical advice or do this or that or an examination or anything else.
	They were there to terrorize.
	To terrorize?
	That was my viewpoint of the event.
	That's quite a leap.
	And it certainly is a giant leap from those who are satisfied and perfectly happy with their implant, and they think they're, or they are, contactees, and they act in some happy little manner, transferring the word that all's going to be well and so forth, right?
	They do try to leave that impression, but the fact is, whenever you're lying there with something inserted up your nasal passage and you're screaming, it's a highly Likely that that's not exactly the true event.
	All right.
	Back to the phones.
	Wildcard Line, your turn with Daryl Sims.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you, Art, for your hardball questioning.
	Daryl, I'm a 60-year-old ex-peril space engineer, and frighteningly, I have to say, I find you 100% credible.
	Now, my question is, can you put your cop brain to sleep long enough To let the other side of the brain conjecture on really what the ultimate purpose of these individuals and their activities is.
	Yeah, that's really the bottom line one, Daryl.
	So, how about it?
	I'll do just exactly as you've instructed.
	In the final event, it seems to me, after the smoke clears and everything's on the cutting room floor, It all boils back down to the psychological and spiritual rape of an individual.
	Even the physical taking of these people.
	Abduction.
	And abduction and the things that they do to these people.
	It is unimaginable that any sentient being would do this for any reasonable purpose whatsoever.
	Some of the things absolutely make no sense when you talk to geneticists.
	Even the genetics aspect of this doesn't really make sense.
	You don't need hundreds of thousands and millions of subjects to get a genetic example from a population.
	You just don't need that.
	So then what?
	You think it's terror?
	That's the objective?
	Case in point, yes, I do.
	In one case, the lady, here's a perfect example of how people get sued in the multi-million dollar suits using hypnosis.
	The lady I worked with, the whole family had Gone through a horrific event.
	It split the family.
	They later divorced over the series of events, of abduction events.
	Right.
	They couldn't deal with it as a family.
	They split up and went in all directions.
	Right.
	The lady finally came to me a year later and said, I want you to work with me.
	I did.
	And she described basically a terrible molestation and she thought it was her own actual doctor.
	But I, knowing that that wasn't her doctor, finally asked her, do you see him?
	And she said no. And I said, if you see any part of him, let me know.
	Well, at that point, she finally, I said at that point, a short time later,
	she saw long, white fingers moving toward her. And he molested her. And she said, what?
	She kept crying and crying, crying. But why would he do that to me? I don't...
	She was a very moral lady, and I said, think of him as a tape recorder.
	I can see how people would come up with that.
	The mind wants to jump at the most logical thing it can grasp, something it knows.
	It must have been the doctor.
	I can see how that would happen.
	He actually named her doctor.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	First of all, I'd like to say welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Your voice has been missing for so long, and it's great to have you back.
	Thank you.
	I have a question for Daryl, and also a question for you.
	And I'll just go ahead and spit them out, and then let you answer them on the air.
	Okay.
	First of all, Daryl, do you think it's possible in any way that maybe these beings are us from the future?
	Coming back, and you pointed out that maybe they were trying to alter our DNA.
	Maybe there's something with the Earth changes that Art has spoken about so many times, where there's like a nuclear winter and we have to live underground.
	Well, ma'am, if they're traveling through time and alter our DNA, they're altering their DNA.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	In order to Help us survive better, because maybe they're not able to survive as well.
	You know what I'm saying?
	To help make them be able to survive.
	I know exactly what you're saying, Daryl.
	All of that as one possible explanation.
	Well, first of all, I don't adhere to the future time thing.
	And the reason is simple.
	If there was a problem, they would have already solved it.
	We would not even be knowing this.
	They could come back from the future, fix everything, and there'd be no problem.
	There'd be no resistance.
	People like me would be non-existent.
	I would not be a problem, and I would not have been a failure in the program, so to speak.
	I mean, I wasn't like a winner in one sense of the word.
	I'm a reject.
	They tossed me out of the program.
	All right.
	You have a question for me?
	Yes.
	You're both becoming Global Superstorm and a subsequent movie made off of it.
	If you had Zachariah Fitch in on the show many times talking about Anunnaki and Planet X possibly being Nibiru, do you think possibly that the coming Earth changes could be caused by the nearing of Nibiru or Planet X if it is Nibiru?
	Listen, all of that is perhaps reasonable to deduce from what we've heard from various guests and sources.
	I don't necessarily think that, no.
	It could be, though.
	And everything she suggested could be, including in my mind, I must say, Daryl, I to some degree agree with her.
	Why not speculate that these are beings from the future?
	And then you've got a good motive for tampering with DNA, because you're tampering with our DNA.
	But then your answer is, well, it would have already happened.
	They could fix the problem.
	My story would be, I don't remember anything and there wasn't even an event.
	I wouldn't even know that it happened.
	They could fix that.
	I simply wouldn't know.
	It's funny, Darryl.
	There are certain events, I've touched on this in past years, like Nelson Mandela and others, that millions and millions of people thought that Nelson Mandela was killed.
	That he was dead.
	At least they had that planted in their head.
	And yet, Nelson Mandela, of course, went on to lead his nation as president.
	And yet, people somehow had this thought that he had died.
	And this wasn't a few people.
	This was massive numbers of people.
	And it's almost as though something massive changed, Daryl.
	Uh, as though some twist occurred and not one person or not ten people who were abducted forgot, but everybody virtually forgot.
	Because something in time changed.
	So, I don't know if I rule that out.
	I mean, it's no crazier or wilder than people from Alpha Centauri or angels or some derivation of angels or spirits or ghosts or those who have passed before us.
	I don't know.
	All of these things, it seems to me, nearly have to remain on the table until we know We just have to collate what we have.
	In rare cases, very rare cases, we've had angelic beings show up in the event during an abduction.
	When that happens, the alien, whoever they are, take off in all directions, which makes me wonder who they really are.
	Well, is that confusing enough or what?
	It got real clear for me real quick, if that story is true, and there are several of them.
	One of them is a famous Calvin Parker case.
	All right, Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	I'm out in the West.
	Daryl, I've been involved with this for 70 years.
	I've been given the responsibility of opening the door on every bit of the cover-up in all ways.
	My father lives on the planet Baropia.
	Like you said, you're part Native American.
	Most of the Native Americans have implants in their brain for the end times.
	There has been a white buffalo born in Kentucky and one in B.C.
	Are you familiar with the Indian history that when the white buffalo comes, the white brother will come back?
	I am also familiar with it.
	I'm also familiar with the stories that have aired recently regarding the birth of more white buffalo.
	Okay, this is true.
	My home planet is Moropia, and that is where our Messiah, we call him Yahshua, lives.
	Alright, sir, thank you very much.
	Also, I have seven implants, and I am preparing a book that will open the door on every bit
	of it.
	Alright, well then, maybe you can give us one little hint then, since you're preparing
	a book on it.
	I've asked Daryl the motivation of those who implant human beings.
	Now I'm asking you, what is the motivation of those who implant human beings?
	There's two different segments.
	The Palladians and Zeddis work together, and they have implanted about 10% of our population
	of the Soviets.
	Motive, sir, motive.
	Motive is to prepare them, because the implant we have can be turned on, and they can communicate
	when Yahshua comes with us to prepare to leave the planet.
	If you look in the Bible, it'll say that they will remove 144,000.
	Alright, so those who will be sucked up will be notified or found or saved by their implant.
	You heard that one before, Darrell?
	Quite a few times.
	The problem I have with the story of so many people being implanted, specifically Native Americans and so on, you've got to realize 45% of the people I'm looking at are Native American and Irish, or a combination there.
	And these people... You did say that.
	I look at these x-rays and MRIs and everything and we're not finding the volume that these people are speaking about.
	It just isn't there.
	The evidence for that statement is just not there medically.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, how are you?
	Okay sir, where are you?
	Conrad, Iowa.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so what I was wondering, I'm a Christian and I believe in Jesus and he's going to return and put everything in order. I'm kind of getting here in a
	little bit about, you know, the spirit side of this. I was, my belief is that this is some kind of
	demonic entity of Satan's to help in the deception for the end times. Does the, do you believe that
	could be a possibility?
	Okay, well you're kind of like our last caller in a way.
	Well, I, first of all, I'm a Christian and I don't, I don't see the entities as demonic
	and i didn't even from a biblical perspective it doesn't make sense that
	A demon, by definition, is a disembodied spirit.
	Well, these entities are physical.
	They actually do appear physical.
	They do leave traces on people.
	They do physically touch them.
	They do physically carry them and move them.
	Do I think they're evil?
	Yes, I do.
	I think what they do is evil.
	I think their intent is evil.
	And I need to say that about the hierarchy.
	The entities themselves, I don't think, have much of a sense of All right, I want to be sure I get this in, Daryl.
	You've got a website that I'd be more than happy to promote for you, www.alienhunter.org, correct?
	That is correct.
	Daryl, how do you make a living, if not then from this?
	Well, certainly we have a few things on the site.
	There are videos and tapes and things, and if anybody has any interest in those, they can email me and I'll make sure that you get them a lot faster than you can get them on the net.
	So we do have a few things there, but how I make a living is I'm a real estate investor and a private investigator.
	And that's how I make my living.
	All right.
	That's a good answer.
	So you've probably spent more on this than anything else, huh?
	Probably more of your own money?
	Yes.
	It's been a lot of my own money.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Clifton.
	I'm calling from Columbia, Missouri.
	Yes, sir.
	Believe it or not, I'm Irish from Cherokee and believe I've been contacted by the aliens myself.
	It's very possible, however, that I have some proof I'm holding in my hand.
	I've got a stone that's formed into a Native American hide scraper.
	And it appears to have a computer chip embedded into it.
	It's about a sixteenth of an inch thick, three inches long, maybe an inch tall.
	And on one side, it kind of looks like it could be a fossil, but it looks like a computer chip as well.
	And on the back side, there's little metallic or metal leaves like you would find on the bottom side of a computer chip.
	Well, all of that is pretty intriguing.
	Have you had it looked at?
	No, I've been afraid to actually let anybody have it but me because I don't want to lose it.
	I do, however, trust Art quite well.
	I wouldn't have a problem with that.
	I've been listening since the early 90s.
	Ah, I appreciate that, but please do not send it to me.
	And I agree.
	I'm hesitant to release it.
	It's just this shipping thing.
	If you're ever out here, that's a different story.
	The years have taught me, don't ship it.
	Especially giving notice on public radio.
	Bad idea.
	Especially you don't want to send it through the U.S.
	Mail.
	Do not do that.
	Right, so I'm glad you trust me, sir.
	And maybe if you're ever there, or I'm with you, or close by, I would be glad to make arrangements.
	But otherwise, don't ship.
	Any suggestions or ideas, Darrell?
	I sure do.
	One of the predictions I made to the 250 surgeons, a fourth prediction I made was that eventually we will find objects inside people that have technology.
	This will be discernible.
	Clear, and it's obvious that it will be, in my opinion, human.
	And I suspect that if, number one, if you can prove that the object came from someone, in other words, there was a, there's a medical history of that, and that that story's true, or if you'd just like for us to look at it, I'd like for you to take some photographs of it, pictures of it, send me the JPEGs, and let our engineers look at it.
	All right.
	Well, I'm certainly impressed.
	www.alienhunter.org if you wish to know more.
	It has been a pleasure having you on this morning, Daryl.
	What you say is incredible.
	People will make various judgments about it, but it's been a pleasure having you on.
	It really has.
	Art, it's always a pleasure.
	All right.
	I'm so glad you're doing this work.
	And we'll look forward to the next time.
	Take care, my friend.
	Thank you.

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