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July 24, 2005 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Derrel Sims - Alien Abduction Evidence

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not all that far, by the way, from Death Valley.
		Have until today or so been hovering around 117 degrees every day.
		Now, my response to this is multiple.
		One, I don't live without air conditioning.
		So I go out and hug my five-ton air conditioner.
		And moreover, I've taken the posture that if I can't travel, which I can't in these kind of temperatures, for any number of reasons, including pets and all that sort of stuff, I'm going to ignore the heat.
		So my posture has been to stay up until well after the sun has come up in the morning, and then like a bat, sleep all day long, until about five or so in the afternoon, and then awaken to begin my strange nocturnal activities.
		In other words, I won't have anything to do with it.
		When it's 117 degrees outside, you can't do anything.
		I mean, really, you're better off not moving around, not turning on lights, not turning on appliances.
		In other words, you're better off asleep.
		Like the astronauts trying to make it back to Earth without enough power in Apollo 13, you know, you're better off just going to sleep.
		That's what we've been doing.
		So I'm rather wide awake.
		It's really morning for me right now.
		Morning in my part of America.
		All right, now, tonight's webcam, you may think you've seen it, it was a picture of our, you know, we have a new kitten in the house, Dusty.
		Dusty has grown really big.
		Dusty is now real long.
		And I had a picture of Dusty up there, but see, another thing happened on the way during the heat.
		This is an interesting story.
		I have a radio tower, as you all more than well know, in my backyard, a hundred-footer, big one.
		And at about the 80-foot level of this large tower, some starlings decided, what a cool place to build a nest.
		It's a great, strong, metallic nest-holding monster.
		So they built a nest.
		They labored hard and long and built this nest at 80 feet up on my tower.
		That's kind of neat.
		Why not?
		I would, too, if I were a starling.
		Only thing about a tree is, you see, it doesn't, unlike a tree, it doesn't give shade.
		So when it's 117 degrees, you can imagine the metal on the tower gets warm.
		Really warm.
		Anyway, these starlings, fortunately, were about, you know, they were ready to leave the nest and fly off and do whatever starlings do, except this one.
		Must have been the runt of the nest.
		And it fell from the sky, from 80 feet up on my tower, I guess, or flew.
		Either way, it appeared, this little tiny starling appeared on my wife's chain link fence just below the tower, sitting there on the chain link fence, you know, about halfway down, grasping one of the little chain links.
		And we walked past this little guy and we said, oh, you know, from the nest, and it didn't move.
		It didn't move.
		And it just sat there.
		Panting like a starling pants, I guess.
		And so we went out, came back, and here was this little starling still in the same place.
		This is now two or three hours later.
		Well, obviously, this little guy was in shock, really serious shock.
		He had not moved now for seven or eight hours.
		And Ramona looks at me and I look at Ramona and we say, oh, brother.
		So I said, it was about midnight now.
		It's about midnight now.
		And I said, Ramona, and she said to me about the same time, we've got to do it.
		So she went and bought at midnight, you can do that here in Nevada, a birdcage.
		And Ramona went out with her gloves and captured, I mean, you could walk right up to him, he didn't care, or her, we still don't know, of course, and got this little tiny, tiny waif of a bird that was obviously, well, if the sun had come up, this bird would have been dead within two hours.
		But what did we do?
		We interfered with nature.
		And for three days, this starling resided in its little cage in our garage, which is air-conditioned, comfortable.
		And Ramona started to try to feed it.
		Well, she's fed it worms, regular worms, didn't like those too much, and then mealyworms.
		Those it has a great appetite for, as well as making up this mash, which is made from bird seed, which you put in a pepper grinder and grind up, and then put egg yolk in.
		And oh, it's quite a procedure.
		So anyway, three days later, we bring little snarling deer, which we have named Tower, into the house of four cats.
		Four cats.
		Now, that might not be the smartest thing that anybody ever did.
		But with the aid of a squirt gun, I mean, you can see in a cat's eyes when it has intentions, dire intentions.
		You can see its little studied, alert nose and back end begin to wiggle a little bit.
		You know when a cat has something in its sights, right?
		So we hit them with a squirt gun.
	And they, of course, don't know you've done it, so it's pretty cool because they think it was water from God.
	And they just jump about six feet high and run into the other room.
	And then pretty soon, after enough shots, they're not thinking about the bird anymore.
	They're thinking about shots of water from God.
	So anyway, that's where we are now, the animal people, four cats, and one now rapidly growing, extremely noisy starling.
	And by the way, I would like to thank the people at starling.ww.starling.info.
	If you ever get a baby bird And it's a starling.
	That's the place to go to begin to learn how to even think about taking care of a baby.
	This thing now, not only did it come out of shock, but now it's the happiest bird alive, flying all over the nest, just making noise, recognizing people, being social, even perhaps liking the cats.
	I don't know.
	But it's happy.
	So that's what's been going on in the Bell household during my absence to get away.
	Ha ha.
	All right.
	World news very quickly.
	Then we'll pause and give you the real news.
	British police arrested a third man in connection with last week's failed attack against London's transit system.
	Said Sunday they're going to try to penetrate what they suspect is probably an al-Qaeda network behind the whole thing.
	At Sharm al-Sheikh, Egypt, where the big attack occurred, the bombers who carried out Egypt's worst ever terrorist attack appeared to have entered the Red Sea resort in pickup trucks they now know with loaded explosives that were hidden under some vegetables.
	NASA plans to launch the first space shuttle flight in two and one half years, even if it's plagued by the very same fuel gauge that stopped it, what, last week?
	So they go no matter what.
	That's very unlike NASA, isn't it?
	22 dead in a suicide bomber attack in Baghdad.
	NBC is in some trouble, apparently.
	The executive vows that there's going to be a season of rebuilding at NBC.
	Suffering low ratings, fourth place, I guess.
	And while I'm on the subject of the vast wasteland, there are two programs that I would like to recommend to you, very seriously recommend to you.
	One I have already recommended in the past.
	It's called Medium.
	It's on Monday nights at 9 o'clock on NBC, the Fourth Network, and it's a really good show.
	Yes, I would like to interview the real young lady, the real medium, who lives in Phoenix and assists the DA or ADA.
	And it's a tremendous show.
	It's so unaffected.
	The other show is House.
	Oh, my God.
	What I did was I have a DVR, so I captured the entire season of House.
	Didn't watch it.
	And then about two weeks ago, I discovered House.
	Oh, my God, what a good show.
	Is it Laurie?
	Hugh Laurie is the doctor, and I don't think I've ever seen better character acting.
	It is really good.
	Got to be a real piece of that man in that show because he just does it too well.
	House, start watching it.
	Fox, Tuesday at 9 o'clock.
	Boy, is that a good series.
	All right.
	Lance, seven times.
	Seven times the Tour de France.
	That's incredible.
	Again, the Victorious run through the arch in Paris, and boy, you've got to give it to him.
	I watched the programs on TV that showed how Lance actually did it.
	And he did it with the assistance of a network who sort of looked at every piece of his, you know, his helmet, every part of his body, air resistance, and all the rest of that.
	And Discovery Channel really helped him out in that regard.
	And it obviously paid off as he apparently came in first by about five minutes.
	We'll be right back.
	So much time has gone by.
	There really are quite a number of things that I wish to talk to you about, and this is at the top of the list tonight.
	The oceans are warmer than they ought to be.
	You may have watched the weather channel or some of the coverage of the latest hurricane that we had, but they were all in exclamation about how hot the ocean was, what a terrible hurricane season it was going to be.
	This story from Gannett in New Jersey, in Dave Kaplan's 44 years as a Bradley Beach lifeguard, this is the earliest he's ever seen the ocean so warm by a long margin.
	Quote, I take the water temperatures every day, said Kaplan Wednesday.
	Well, last week, it's been the warmest I ever can recall.
	The warm ocean waters with temperatures ranging, averaging, get this, five to eight degrees above normal are linked to the warm, stagnant weather in recent days and the lack of upswelling at cooler bottom waters in recent weeks, according to the experts.
	Air temperatures are in the 80s and 90s.
	They were expected again in Mammoth and Ocean counties today, according to forecast by the National Weather Service's Mount Holly office.
	The warmth with sunny skies is likely to warm surface waters even more.
	The warm waters have led to improved fluke fishing, believe it or not.
	Figures, it'd be a fluke, right?
	The early arrival of tropical species like Spanish mackerel and the potential for hurricanes heading up the coast to retain more of their energy and I suppose be more fierce.
	Anyway, this kind of goes together with a lot of things we've been saying for a long time.
	Now, in addition to this, I got an email from somebody who watches, you know, New York City news, and I think one of the premier weather forecasters there, one of the big stations in New York, received information from Buies that said the water was in the 80s.
	I mean, way, way above where it ought to be.
	And he simply said, you know, I don't believe it.
	And I believe an offer was made for him to check it out for himself, which he, I understand, declined.
	But the fact of the matter is, something is definitely going on with ocean temperatures right now.
	It's going to affect the world's weather.
	It's affecting our weather.
	It will affect all weather.
	The ocean has so much of an effect on our climate that even a small variation in what's going on with regard to ocean temperatures and, of course, those all-important currents will have a magnifying effect on the entire environment.
	And you wouldn't believe how small the margin of life is on Earth.
	And by margin, I mean we live within a certain temperature range of things happening.
	And if that were just to be altered a few degrees one way or the other, we might not be here.
	Scientists are gaining insight.
	The following comes from CNN.com.
	Insight about December's devastating earthquake and tsunami from the actual sounds.
	They got the actual sounds of the 9.3 quake in the Indian Ocean.
	It's really quite an eerie sound to hear the earth ripping apart like that.
	We hear it on smaller earthquakes quite frequently, but something of this scale that just goes on for eight minutes or more is very unprecedented, according to Maya Tolstoy, a marine geophysicist at Columbia University's Lamont Dougherty Earth Observatory, said she, it gave me the chills when I first heard it.
	The dramatic soundtrack of the rupture of the Sumatra-Annaman Fault comes from a little-known, sometimes hard-to-access resource.
	The microphones that capture the sound are simply part of a global network of instruments that monitor the entire world for compliance with the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
	In other words, they're listening for nuclear explosions.
	But they caught this monster quake, and they describe it as a ripping and tearing sound of the very earth itself.
	Now, I would solicit anybody's help here who happens to have this, hopefully in MPEG-3, MP3, or whatever of this.
	I would very much like to hear the sound of the earth ripping apart, and if I could lay my little paws upon it, you would hear it too.
	That's got to be a very unusual sound.
	Again, she refers to it as the earth literally tearing apart for eight minutes.
	I wonder what that sounded like.
	Enough to raise the hair on the back of that young scientist's neck.
	Santa Barbara.
	Scientists are puzzled by a mysterious Los Padres National Forest hotspot, get this, where 400-degree ground ignited a wildfire.
	Now that's a different one, isn't it?
	Normally, wildfires are ignited by, for example, the lightning we had here yesterday morning.
	We had one of those whiz-bang.
	If you happen to be asleep at about 6.30 in the morning when a bolt ignited about, I don't know, a third of a mile away or less, you know, normally when lightning goes, I try to be semi-scientific and go out and count 1,001, 1,002, you know, after the light.
	And I said 1,000, boom!
	I didn't even get the 1,001 out.
	So normally you would expect lightning to ignite a fire that way, and sure enough, a lot of them have ignited in the mountains around me.
	But this, this is a hole in the ground with 400-degree temperatures.
	The hotspot was discovered by fire crews putting out a three-acre fire last summer in the forest Dick Smith Wilderness.
	They saw fissures in the ground where they could feel a lot of heat coming out.
	That's a quote from a Los Padres geologist, Alan King.
	He said, it's not characteristic at all of a normal fire.
	Fire investigators went back to the canyon days later and stuck a candy thermometer into the ground.
	It hit the top of the scale at 400 degrees.
	A dozen scientists, including University of California Santa Barbara mineralogist Jim Bowles, have been looking for answers since August.
	Robert Mariner of the U.S. Geological Survey, a hydrologist who studies volcanic gas vents at Mount Jasta and Mount Hood and Mount Rainier, also called in.
	Everybody's puzzled.
	He said, when I heard about the candy thermometer, I was amazed, noting that the temperature of the volcanic vents that he studies is typically, oh, about 200 degrees around the boiling point of water.
	I thought these guys were yanking on my leg.
	With the help of an air reconnaissance flight and thermal infrared imaging, scientists found the hot spot actually covers about three acres, the three acres that were on fire.
	The hottest spot was 11 feet underground at 584 degrees.
	They found no oil, no gas deposits or vents nearby, no significant deposits of coal.
	The Geiger counter readings were normal for radioactivity, and there was no evidence of any explosion or volcanic activity.
	Now, they speculate that one explanation being studied, and it is speculation, is that an earthquake fault just might be the source of the heat, but it's hard to imagine how an earthquake fault would generate temperatures in that realm.
	All right.
	Well, apparently the sound already of the earthquake has been on the show.
	I guess they may have had it last week, somebody said, and I'm getting links to it, so I'm obviously going to be able to get it.
	I'm looking forward to that.
	Can you imagine the sound of the earth ripping apart?
	Michael Pitcher saw the storm rolling into Clearwater Beach Saturday evening.
	Heavy rain fell.
	Lightning quivered from the clouds.
	Pitcher and his girlfriend sought safety under a pier.
	They looked into the water, and what do they see but about 20 swimmers?
	All those people out in the water.
	Someone's going to get struck by lightning, Pitcher said.
	The words had barely left his mouth, kind of like trying to say 1,001, and there was an incredible crack.
	A lightning bolt struck the beach, knocking three people unconscious.
	Fourth person, a pregnant woman, good lord, also hit by lightning.
	But she remained conscious.
	Two people suffered critical injuries, were taken to Morton Plant Hospital.
	Two others with serious injuries were taken to Bayfront Medical Center and Largo Medical Center.
	The names and conditions of those were not available, Saturn denied, all appeared young, maybe in their early 20s.
	You're not too bright in your early 20s.
	It was unclear if the victims were at the beach together.
	So anyway, Pitcher and his girlfriend said they saw a man standing in the water that wasn't even waist high.
	This guy took a direct hit.
	The lightning hit.
	The bolt hit his head.
	The bolt flickered for about three seconds.
	The man's arms went up in the air and the electricity lifted him out of the water, said Pitcher.
	When the bolt disappeared, he dropped back in the water and sank.
	It sucked him right out of the water, said Pitcher.
	A hospice nurse from Port Ritchie said the lightning stopped and it dropped him.
	I couldn't believe it.
	So a lot of people saw this happen.
	He was lifted out of the air by the lightning that hit his head.
	Remember, he's standing in salt water.
	So anyway, it didn't look too good for that man.
	Apparently, he was turning blue.
	You know, as they took him off, he was turning blue and was absolutely a mess, as you might imagine, but I guess still alive, and everybody wished him well.
	But you would think that they'd know enough after something like this had just happened, right?
	To get the hell out of the water.
	But no.
	As the 911 guys, the emergency responders, were hauling the bodies, the blackened bodies away, with lightning still going off all around, even as emergency crews assisted, they were back in the water again.
	They.
	Who are they?
unidentified		They are people who...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not in all cases.
		So I don't know.
		You've got a lightning storm going on.
		You've got nearby crashes.
		And you wade right back into the water, not just one, but many.
		Perhaps this is people trying to assist the ongoing process.
		I don't know.
		This is a rumor from a listener, but it looks like it's based.
		There are several links here.
		I didn't have a chance to follow, but there's a team together, and they've got an exploration pass for Turkey.
		They're going to melt down to Noah's Ark somewhere between now and August 15th after locating the main portion of the ship with an elaborate arc imaging scanner.
		And then they list some links here.
		So there may be something quietly going on with regard to the ark right now.
		Somebody actually trying to melt their way down to it.
		Tommy Thompson's going to sign up with Verichip.
		He's going to get a chip, he says, as soon as enough hospitals get the scanning equipment to make it realistic, he will go and get a chip implanted in him, as animals have done.
		And now, as human beings are going to be urged to do.
		Are you going to get a chip implanted?
		Verichip Company has been doing it.
		I have a feeling a number of my listeners probably would not go the chip route.
		However, I guess that you'll be able to do many things.
		Now, right now, the chip will carry your medical information.
		So, you know, if lightning lifts you out of the waist-high seawater, they'll be able to quickly scan your medical records and know everything that needs to be known about you to treat you properly and possibly keep you alive.
		So why not get the chip?
		It's a pretty strong argument, right?
		But we all know that it might be the sign of what?
		Might be the sign of the beast.
		Or maybe not.
		Maybe it's only one chip.
		Certainly not a chip that would dispense your hospital records.
		Would also be connected with, you know, him, right?
		To the phones.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		This is a chip-free zone here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, chip-free zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wouldn't go for a chip, huh?
unidentified		No, thank you.
		Good morning, Ark.
		I'm glad to hear your voice again, sir.
		I was beginning to get worried about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm fine.
unidentified		Oh, I knew you would.
unidentified		Look here, this is Stephen in Columbus, Georgia, your old pyrotechnics buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Just want to know how your show in Perrump went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How my show in Perrump went?
unidentified		Went, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which show is that?
unidentified		Your annual Fourth of July show.
unidentified		Fireworks Went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, our fireworks.
		It was incredible.
		Every year, Little Perrump, and we are still little compared to cities around us, puts on the biggest display in the state of Nevada.
		I mean, we dwarf everything else.
		So how cool was it?
		I don't know.
		How cool was, I think it was 8,000 shells in three minutes at the very end.
unidentified		Wow, was that your finale or what?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the finale, and it was kick butt.
unidentified		Well, I understand your fire marshal does it for you there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People come from long way around Now to see the Prump Fireworks display.
unidentified		Well, your choreography and your music coming from your station is getting well known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very kind of you.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes, we do the choreography for the display, and it's awesome.
		Every year they double it.
		Now, we all wonder, how do they do that?
		Where do they get all the money?
		We're little parrumped.
		You know, and we have brothels.
		We have firework stores.
		We have gambling machines.
		It's a different kind of environment that we live in here in the desert, one that I prefer.
		A lot of people who have the kind of philosophy I have live out in this part of the country for that very reason.
		There's a lot of freedom out here.
		Anyway, somehow, every year, they double the size of our fireworks display.
		Now, that cannot continue.
		Or soon we will be having a planet-threatening fireworks display.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		This is Douglas, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
		Yes.
		I wanted to talk to you a little bit about that hot spot out west.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, the one that started the fire, yes.
unidentified		Right.
		And I don't know, this might sound a little ridiculous, but I was thinking that those giant tunnels that they're constructing underground.
		Yes.
		I think they had one of those plasma machines down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you're getting pretty far out on a limb, partner.
unidentified		No, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just stick it up, you know?
unidentified		But I think something happened and it might have backfired or whatever, but technology gone wrong, ripping the earth apart.
		Something like that.
		But it just seemed like it was so far underground and generating that kind of heat that I thought maybe they were trying to bore a tunnel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is why I'm dying of curiosity about the inner earth.
		It's one of my favorite topics, absolutely.
		I mean, what the hell's down there?
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call, and take care.
		It really is fascinating.
		What is down there?
		Our very own Earth.
		We've done more exploration of outer space than we have of, you know, down there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Hey, wonderful to be on the air.
		I've been a fan for 12 years, and you've been a great friendly voice in the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
unidentified		Well, I've been waiting for a good excuse to call, and I couldn't believe your starling story.
		I am, first of all, congratulations on Tower.
		I'd like to welcome him to the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, with four cats.
		It's a world with four cats, sir.
		It's not a cat-friendly house.
unidentified		Well, if I could give you some advice, I am a wildlife rehabilitator here in California, and I'm actually the Starling Species Manager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we could have used you about a week ago now.
unidentified		Well, I tell you, I heard what you were feeding him, and really quickly, they are more than almost any other bird you'll find.
unidentified		They require animal protein.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And one of the biggest problems...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking like five or six times a day, and we're talking nine, eight, nine worms at a time.
unidentified		Okay, couple things.
		Yeah, honestly, at this age, you probably want to be feeding them no later than every hour.
		Probably starting at, well, luckily not all day, but like in a 12-hour stretch, maybe from 9 in the morning till 9 at night.
		And you don't want to go too heavy on the mealworms.
		We're starting to find in the rehabilitation community that mealworms, it's either something with the chitinous skin or their fat content, that they're okay in small quantities.
		What you really never want to feed them is earthworms or redworms.
		They're toxic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We tried earthworms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't work.
unidentified		It's good.
		He's spitting them out because he knows they're bad.
		Don't try that.
		The easiest way to do this is with a syringe.
		You want to take just dog food, like imes or something, and hard-boiled eggs, put it all in a blender.
		You can go to a birdseed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were using egg yolks and then putting it together with this mash that we made out of birdseed.
unidentified		Yeah, now that's where you really want to stop you there.
		Birdseed will, in the long run, kill these birds.
		They're not seed eaters.
		And they actually don't have a crop like a lot of your birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did feed it a couple of bugs in it like that.
unidentified		That's what they eat in the wild.
unidentified		Stomach content studies done in the wild has shown that 95% of what these birds eat is winged insects, like your mosquito hawks and moths and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm drawing the line there.
unidentified		Well, no, and you absolutely don't want to feed them then as a pet because they'll refuse anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean going out to gather it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going out, nor is Ramona, to gather bugs.
unidentified		No, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely draw the line.
unidentified		If I could just really quickly tell you, they make properly taken care of.
		They make excellent pets.
		They're very smart.
		And at the age you got him, he won't be releasable.
		He thinks he is now a person that can fly.
		And he will learn.
		They're a mockingbird.
		They're in the mockingbird family.
		And they will learn whole sentences just like a parrot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is talking here or her.
		By the way, I've got a picture up.
		My webcam picture is of Tower.
		Tower about three or four days after we got Tower.
		Oh, no, more than that even.
		So take a look and decide.
unidentified		Does he still have the little kind of Don King tusks on his head?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don King.
unidentified		Does he have these kind of fly-away feathers on the top of his head?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
unidentified		Okay, well, you know what I was talking about if you don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don King.
unidentified		From what I've heard, he sounds like he's still just finishing his pre-fludge stage.
		And he has now imprinted on you.
		He will last up to 20 years.
		The best way to feed them is just with baby food, like lamb or beef, Gerber baby food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baby food.
unidentified		They love that, and it provides the protein content they need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gerber baby.
unidentified		Yeah, a healthy starling is really one of the healthiest birds you can ever see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do me a favor.
		A lot of people are going to be going, oh, come on.
		So send me an email.
		Include all of this and more, if you would, please.
		All right?
unidentified		Okay, but about the cats.
unidentified		You'll want to keep them away because they'll learn to adapt the praying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would eat a tower.
		I mean, in a second, in a New York or Nevada second, that would be that.
		So thank you very much, and I'll look forward to getting an email from you and or any of the rest of you, by the way.
		I'm ArtBell at AOL.com or artbell at mindspring.com.
		Mouseworm, squarely, this bird does seem to enjoy the mealyworms.
		So it's going to be hard, would be hard, very hard to break it into that.
		Really likes the mealyworms.
		And we do have to go by what it seems to like, you know.
		And anyway, it's been quite a job, mainly taken on by Ramona, and she's been up there like six times, eight times a day, feeding it.
		A lot of times a day.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Arbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Captain Spike Mike with the Fantastic Forum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Buddy, I really appreciate your kind words about Lance Armstrong.
unidentified		I think the American media is really overlooking this guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the network coverage of the scientific work that they did on him to achieve, you know, begin to slice seconds off with aerodynamic changes in the helmet and what he wears and every little tiny everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bike discovery channel did it.
unidentified		And he went and took his VO2 MAX test, which is a volume by oxygen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did see it.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		He rated the highest ever scored at that clinic as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like a Superman or something.
unidentified		The last time an American presence in France had this much influence, they called it World War II.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, seven in a row.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he will absolutely retire on top of his game.
unidentified		Arch, you're never going to see a man do something like this again in your lifetime, my lifetime, and maybe our kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		No, it's an incredible, thank you very much, incredible achievement.
		No question about it.
		And those of you who did not see the discovery footage of how they helped him out, how the scientists went to work on every little tiny aspect of Lance Armstrong, his bike, every little nut and bolt, everything was aerodynamically checked in wind chambers and all the rest of it.
		And they're shaving seconds off what will be his total performance.
		It was totally awesome.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Hurt.
unidentified		My friend's father just passed away recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry to hear it.
unidentified		And during the process of me helping her clean out his house, I came across some very graphic pictures of him and her at a very young age.
		I'm talking maybe four or five years old.
		And she's never mentioned any incident like this, you know, to me or anyone.
		I'm not even sure she knows.
		I don't know what to do with these pictures.
		I mean, I'm talking, they're very sexually graphic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's an easy answer.
		You go to the police.
		You go to the police.
		If you have questions about somebody's behavior in that regard, you don't keep it to yourself.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		This is Rena from Miami.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, extinguish your radio, my dear.
unidentified		Okay, sorry.
		All right.
		I'm a little bit worried.
		I don't know if you've heard, I noticed that you didn't mention it, about a sandstorm that is going to hit this area in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Florida?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A sandstorm.
unidentified		Yes.
		It's from the Sahara, and it even might affect people with respiratory ailments.
		And I was just wondering, because I know that you're on top of all of these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were hit with a sandstorm here, huh, from Asia, from Mongolia.
		And it turned our skies yellow.
		And it didn't make the national press, I mean, all of the skies of Las Vegas and all of southern Nevada, and for all I know, a lot more, turned yellow.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we had a sandstorm from Mongolia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So these things do happen more and more lately.
unidentified		You think so?
unidentified		Yeah, I know how you feel about the weather changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think they're well underway.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's supposed to hit Saturday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about living in Florida now, knowing almost, I mean, could you almost be sure it's going to be a continual march of hurricanes this year as the season progresses?
unidentified		Well, I'm a little bit concerned due to the fact, in a way, because my father was from the Canary Islands.
		So I've heard you say or mention that the Canary Islands are supposed to be causing maybe some kind of a wave or something to our area as well.
		And all these weird things happening with our weather here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darrell Sims, coming up in a moment, is a certified hypnotherapist, certified hypnotic anesthesiist, certified master neuro-linguistic practitioner, international speaker, licensed private investigator in the state of Texas, and researcher of human, alleged human alien encounters.
		His discoveries of the alleged alien implantation and fluorescence found on abductees following reported contact by alien entities are but two finds that his medical scientific team explores.
		In 1994, a writer reviewing his work originated the name Alien Hunter.
		That's a good name, Alien Hunter.
		Mr. Sims' primary work is gathering physical evidence from cases of alleged human-alien contact.
		He is an advisor investigator for the Parsec organization.
		This is an Italy-based organization of medical doctors, physicists, psychotherapists, and other professionals who invited Sims to come on board in 2000 and use his skills to complete professional investigations in psychological and physical evidence in the work.
		His presentations to medical, scientific college conferences and so forth, and the public at large show compelling approaches to human alien encounters.
		His extensive training and experience in investigative approaches and therapeutic interventions allows him to select the right approach for the individual and the event.
		So, an obvious first question will be, after all of this investigation, are we being occupied?
		Are we being invaded?
		we being...
unidentified		well, are they here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I guess the first logical question for Daryl Sims is, well, really I should say, welcome to the show, Darrell.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Good to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first logical question for me to ask you is, are they real and are they really here?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think if you mean by who they are the alleged alien as people refer to them as, I often refer to them as the entities because I'm not really sure what an alien is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I just believe that based on my personal experience as an abductee since 1952, I continued to be an abductee for 13 years.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The events stopped violently when I was 17, and my events just stopped completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you have a violent stoppage?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is still a bit of a mystery to me.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		My events are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, violent is a serious word, so it implies a big something or another, right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It really was, Art.
		I never understood any of the events from childhood, just other than the entities being present.
		And the last event, my door was actually broken into.
		The lock was broken off when someone actually kicked it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's violent.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		My parents never woke up.
		They were in the next room.
		My sister never woke up.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		She was in another room.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		No one in the house was aware of anything.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		The five entities that showed up in my last event, I had never seen before.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen them, and after 38 years of investigations, I've never seen any of them in any drawings or any other text.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I have met eight people who have seen them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did these entities you just talked about begin to visit you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was not the first time, right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		The event actually started when I was three and a half years old in Midland, Texas.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There was an entity standing in my room.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I became very aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say entity, now try and do better for me.
		Now, perhaps not at three, but I mean gathered through all time.
		What did these things look like?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This one was pure white, long, tall, and skinny, about five foot tall.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		It had a large bulbous head, very similar to the shapes of some of the things that people report currently.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The difference was that the entity did not have, or the alien, if we want to use that term, certainly alien to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure we do want to use that term.
		Perhaps something else you tell us will give us an indication.
		But right now, I'm with you.
		Entity, we don't know what these are, do we?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I certainly don't.
		After 38 years, I'm still debating that.
		But the entity had large black eyes.
		They were perfectly round, not the elliptical ones that you see so much on the movies or even people report now.
		I was rather puzzled in every sense of the word because for two reasons.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		One is what in the world was the thing.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'd never seen anything like it.
		I'd never had a bad dream that I could remember.
		And remember this, in 1952, there weren't any alien movies that you sit around and watch.
		And my parents would have never allowed me to watch something like that anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask you a rude question?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know you weren't having delusions?
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		That's a very fair question.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I had to, as an investigator, had to pose that to myself for years.
		The entity was still standing there.
		I was able to move.
		It was wintertime, and it was quite cold.
		had plenty of covers on and I lifted up enough to look at it to wonder what it got I just couldn't understand what it was.
		And one of the things that was curious to me is I couldn't see its knees and I couldn't see its feet.
		The reason is because I was lying down.
		Now, if I'm hallucinating, I should be able to see anything.
		And everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a full hallucination, not a fair.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why would it be selective?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, maybe.
		But the brain might eliminate the legs and feet because the brain would know you can't see through the bed or should know in normal everyday life you wouldn't see through the bed.
		So why not concoct an illusion that's realistic?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense if you've got a lot of experience.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		At three and a half years old, I don't know how much experience one would have to create hallucinations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So to me, what was curious was the entity began at that point to start to move toward me, and then instantaneously, as it began to move toward me, I became instantly paralyzed.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Now, I thought that was very strange, and it was frightening.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And what was curious about the whole thing...
		For sure.
		But the thing that bothered me was that I wasn't paralyzed and I wasn't even afraid.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		And now I was.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, after years of looking at my own case and over a thousand other cases worldwide, it became apparent to me that the fear was installed and so was the paralysis.
		And it seemed to be coming from, and I have no basis for this other than looking at other people's cases as well.
		It seemed to be coming from something that the entity was able to manipulate or do with his large black eyes.
		Yet that made no sense to me because they didn't really do anything that I noticed, that I could really put my finger on, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were paralyzed, were you also perhaps unaware of the passage of time or even what was going on around you at some point?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It took me years to figure this out, looking at it, because I really didn't want to for a long time.
		But what had happened is the event was actually over and the entity was leaving.
		And I switched on for whatever reason.
		Now, the reason I think that's true is because when I was in a surgery in 1981.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean switched on?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not like you woke up.
		It's not like that at all.
		It's literally like you were just turned on.
		Somebody had turned you off, and then all of a sudden you're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And the switch was just, it's just strange.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's not like waking up whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, back to reality.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So the curious thing about that to me, in the operation where I was getting a chemical pain injection for back surgery from a car accident, I woke up, literally switched on.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It woke up wasn't even the right word because it stunned the two surgeons that were there and the team and the anesthesiologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The fact that not only did I woke up, but I sat up and I stood up and started talking naturally to Dr. Albina, my surgeon, and wanted to know why he had hired someone else to do the work because he wasn't qualified, which was absolutely true.
		He wasn't tested to do that particular kind of a new injection.
		The point is that I was completely coherent as if I had been switched on.
		It scared the anesthesiologist half to death.
		I mean, he's paid to keep me knocked out until I am coherent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Waking up.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sitting up, and then I stand up and start walking around with all these wires hanging out of me, so to speak.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And it was very similar to the same event.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I recalled that it was much like the same event when I was three and a half, like being switched on.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So that ability I later found useful with the encounters, then I realized that there were other things that you can do.
		You don't have to be a victim laying there or anything.
		You can actually participate and you can actually hear what the entities are actually saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darryl, what do you think was done to you when you were switched off?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a strong sense of what happened in the first event because that's when I was brought back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or any event.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that makes that a better question to me.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The first thing is, this is real unusual.
		My parents, I never told them anything.
		In fact, my 74-year-old mother saw me on the History Channel the other night, and she says, I knew you did the investigations, but Daryl, they said you were an abductee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you doing on the History Channel?
		Oh, you were interviewing.
		As an abductee.
		As an abductee or an investigator?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		As an investigator who is also an abductee on this particular show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And here she is, 74 years old.
		And she became my biggest critic.
		She said that just could not have happened.
		I said, Mom, the next night I was sleeping between you and Dad, I was so upset, and I never would tell you what it was, that you two must have thought I had a bad dream because I don't ever remember sleeping in the bed with those two ever as a child.
		And they had me between them.
		And I said, and I described exactly how she slept and exactly how he slept as a matter of course, and she was just startled.
		And I said, the reason I know is because I was switched on again, or switched on myself, and I looked up and there's two entities standing there the next night, and one of them was the same one that was there the night before, and the other one looked just like him, but I don't know how I knew it.
		But he was different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This question goes back to what happened to you while you were switched off?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, there again, then the second event, I didn't know much other than I tried to wake my dad up.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I hit him with my elbow until my little elbow hurt, hitting his spine, and couldn't wake my dad up, which was, again, consistent through my events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hit my spine, I'd wake up.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But you bet.
		At age 12, I do remember a lot more about the event, and I'll give you an illustration there.
		I, again, switched on, 12 years old, 1305 Ohio Street, Almogorda, New Mexico, outside Holloman Air Force Base and White Sands Missile Range.
		I lived there for 13 years.
		I go outside, thinking I'd heard my mother's voice, which my mom was sound asleep.
		We know that for sure.
		I went outside and saw something that was quite brightness in my backyard, and it looked like a star, but I couldn't figure out, I've never seen a star that bright so close to the level of the ground.
		And it came at me very quickly, and just about like to the movie, I hate to use a movie as an illustration, but the light was so bright the way it came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right, I do it all the time.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a movie phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, phenomenon.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When the light hit like that, and then the guy just passed out.
		The next thing I notice, I wake up in a circular room.
		I'm tilted.
		I'm on a very hard table.
		And I'm tilted.
		My feet are upward about 11 degrees.
		And I'm lying on this table.
		The same entity that always picks me up is there.
		And he's talking to someone else just outside the light range.
		I mean, there's a bright light over me, and it doesn't light the whole room.
		It only lights just that immediate area of where I'm at.
		And I can overhear him talking to the other entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I can't figure out why the guy won't come out of the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're speaking American English?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In all these cases, they're speaking the language of the individual, whether it's Portuguese, whether it's Japanese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean of the abductee?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Of the abductee.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They will hear in their language.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see you, they were speaking a lot, Texan.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They were speaking just a few times.
		It was very, very clear, the best way to describe it.
		It was more of an adult language, as far as I was concerned, because I began to listen to them describe A procedure, and I never knew anything about this procedure until about 20 years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of procedure?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They were describing this is really difficult to discuss this on air before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, go ahead.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They were discussing what they wanted to do, and they were talking about activating and shutting down different parts of the brain.
		And I couldn't understand, first of all, why it was even there and what in the world they were doing.
		And the next thing I notice is there's this long needle-like device that the entity that always picks me up is coming toward me with, and it's got a silver little ball on the end of it.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is 1960.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm 12 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I am just shaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A needle with a ball on the end of it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		A needle-like device about nine inches long.
unidentified		Oh.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		A little tiny ball on the end of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		He inserts it in my nasal passage and jams it in and it breaks the bones.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It hurts the bed.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was screaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It broke your nasal bones?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It broke the nasal passage, the little bones inside there, and it felt like it went up behind the eye.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And the next thing I notice after all this is over is I'm back in bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Behind the eye.
		Through your nose enough so you can so you can, I'm sure at least.
		So you could feel it jam up through your nose, literally to an area you could feel behind your eye.
		That's unbelievable.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, that started me many years later on a trek to try to find out if other people had had a similar type procedure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea the motivation or intent of the procedure other than utter terror in you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What else was it supposed to do?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Did they?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't know ultimately what that was all about, but I do have a little better sense, perhaps now, because a gentleman just emailed me not a few months ago, and he showed me one of the most remarkable implantations I have ever seen out of the dozens of cases I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that jammed out my mama right up to your frontal lobe.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		He's got an object located in the exact same location as I described.
		He describes the exact same procedure, and he never mentioned abduction to his doctors.
		They found this themselves, and they're puzzled and amazed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't write this in a book that he might have read?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I am finalizing a book after 38 years.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I've finally finishing the last chapter, but he's never read anything like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		Okay.
		He's never read it.
		All right.
		Wow.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So he's sitting there telling me the story, and his doctors are stunned because this is obviously a manufactured object.
		It's larger than a BB.
		It's approximately midbrain behind his eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and they found us with...
		Yes, yes.
		They found this with water, an MRI?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		With MRI.
		And they're sitting there stunned because it can't be there because it's not from any kind of an explosion or anything like that.
		There's no damage, no trauma to the area.
		It makes no sense.
		So he kept his abductions quiet and still has.
		And he's just grinning from ear to ear.
		He says, and I went to your website at alienunter.org, and he said, and I was stunned to see some of the similar things.
		And I said, well, what I don't have on there, and I didn't tell anybody in great detail, is the details of what happened to me.
		And I only did that after he had revealed to me what had happened to him.
		And of course, it's just staggering to see an object very similar to what the object, in my view, was a little bit smaller, what was installed in my nasal passage.
		And here's one inside him with the same procedure, the same exact way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you two had quite a talk.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We certainly did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		There's one thing that I want to do first, though, and that is I mentioned at the head of the program tonight that scientists had recorded the sound of the Earth breaking apart, and I've got it.
		Thank you.
		As Daryl was telling us about what happened to him, I emailed it to myself, ripped it off on a C D, and I've got it right here.
		Now, these are microphones used to detect nuclear devices breaking treaties, you know, that kind of thing.
		Normally, it's dead quiet.
		And indeed, in this recording, that's where it starts off, dead quiet.
		And then I hope your speakers, you're going to have to turn up your radio.
		I hope your speakers are going to be able to reproduce this properly because it's at a very low frequency, not generally conducive to playing on broadcast radio, but who cares?
		I'm going to play it anyway.
		And first, you have relative silence.
		You can hear a gathering.
		I'm just going to let this go.
		If you've got good speakers, you're going to be able to hear this.
		If not, I don't know.
		but here comes the 9.3 tsunami, earthquake that produced the tsunami.
unidentified		1.3 tsunami, earthquake that produced the
art bell ▲ ● ▼		tsunami, Loud noise And obviously, this goes on for almost eight minutes.
		That's the earth ripping.
		The sound of the earth tearing.
		a big part of the earth itself, tearing.
		Just thought I'd pass that along.
unidentified		Mario's Theme
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, can you imagine the scientists who started hearing this?
		Obviously, these sounds that you're now hearing are alarms going off.
		Those are audible alarms of some sort going off.
		And some guy must have sat there with a headphone saying, hey, boss, someone just lit off 500 megatons somewhere on Earth.
unidentified		And then saying, no, wait, it's bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait.
		This is really something horrible.
		Can you imagine?
		Once again, Daryl Sims.
		Daryl, welcome back.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was an awesome sound.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That was curious because when I was waiting, I heard that entire, and I was hearing every bit of that, and I went, what in the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was me making sure it would work after I burned it.
		It's definitely working.
		Incredible.
		All right.
		And so is what happened to you, Daryl.
		I have a doctor that I interview that I know that you know who removes implants.
		I have others who claim they have implants.
		And now you met this other fellow who had an implant inserted, obviously, the very same way you did, or close to it.
		Do you have any idea?
		Since you've had it, since your friend that you've now met has had it, has it done anything you're aware of the implant?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In my view, I've headed up 23 surgical operations.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		We have a cardiovascular surgeon that does our work currently.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And in all these operations, the questions we ask, whether we do them directly or whether they've been done by someone at the VA hospital or other places where we've asked for them to be done, usually without giving any information alien-wise or anything about it, just other than it's curious and it needs to be removed.
		Many of the abductees, with the exception of only a couple, felt like they were free once the object is removed.
		Now, whether that's psychological, psychogenic, or psychosomatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably some of all.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Maybe any or part or whatever.
		They seem to feel very good about that.
		Only two reported that they felt like it should have remained and so on.
		So one of the things we're doing now is to look at the objects in situ inside the body and see if we can find any evidence of anything occurring there.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		We do have a case in Italy that's been studied by a physicist and who's accredited our work at Sabre with the pioneering work in implants and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, good, good, good.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Whatever that is.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I honestly don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		An expert.
		What does he conclude?
		What's he seen or what does he conclude?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What he found in an object in a man's hand in Italy was that the individual started checking meridians in the individual and seeing if there was any possible connection to that.
		And he felt like that the individual was actually getting better from some enormous anger problems that they had.
		And it was his view that because the individual was getting better, that perhaps the implant was doing something good for him in that respect.
		And I asked the question, I said, doctor, I said, I'm not trying to be negative here.
		I'm just, I said, I'm going to put my police hat on here.
		I used to be a cop, and I worked in the intelligence community for two years in the Central Intelligence Agency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, so I want to ask you a question here with my little cop hat on.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty blunt.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And he said, all right, go ahead.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I said, what makes you think they're not the cause of the anger to begin with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they weren't there at that point.
		Wouldn't that be a good answer?
		In other words, the implant had come and was now curing the anger, not the cause of it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, agreed.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you created the problem and now you're eliminating it, in the eyes of the abductee, you're his savior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or did the anger begin with the implant?
		Thank you.
		I just want to be clear here.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Anger, in my opinion, would start before it did with me, and it has with many other abductees.
		Sometimes the abductees will focus their anger specifically on a parent.
		And the reason is simply because when you pin them down to this, when you finally isolate everything, especially in a therapeutic setting, you'll find in many cases that the anger focused on the parent by the abductee boils down to one particular issue.
		You didn't protect me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I can see that.
		But again, going back to this doctor, he found, they did an MRI and they found this object.
		Was there any way to describe it?
		You said a BB?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It was a little ball-like object in the individual's hand.
		And another thing he found was that there were certain times that many of the abductees, we correlated a lot of our information as well, and some of the things we came up with, that the specific times, 3 o'clock in the morning and other times specifically that abductees report most of their events occurring, not all of them certainly, because some of them are daylight events as some of mine were when I was hunting.
		But some of these times, these people are extremely susceptible based on their sleep patterns.
		And of course, now your debunkers are going to come after that and say, well, it's because it's sleep paralysis.
		Well, anybody that has half a brain knows about sleep paralysis and can figure that out.
		In fact, one of the parts in our book, a surgical nurse is writing it with me.
		And Pat goes into great detail since she's also a surgical patient of sleep paralysis and other altered states from various kinds of anesthesia, drugs, and so on, and what they do and what they produce.
		So it's going to be quite an interesting read from that point of view because she goes into everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, the fact that there's an implant in somebody, that's about enough for me.
		I've had them described in various ways by a surgeon who's actually cut into them, and they're covered by some sort of web-like material that is really strange and resists even the very sharpest scalpels.
		And then sort of after a while, after it's out, if they can get it, disintegrates.
		And so, you know, I've heard a lot about this.
		I mean, there is something to it.
		Something is being put in people.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the objects that we retrieved, we actually took and placed in a scientific setting through the National Institutes of Discovery Science and had 18 of their scientists review the work that had been done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Bob Bigelow's organization?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Bob Bigelow's outfit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so they.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Mark Valley and a number of other scientists were present during that meeting.
		They grilled us very, very well, and we were funded for a study to find out what in the world these particular objects were.
		There were four objects in this one particular setting removed from two people.
		That's just one of many cases.
		But the findings were rather remarkable from my point of view simply because they turned out to be meteoric in origin.
		And lamellar needle-like projections simply do not exist inside people with 11 different elements wrapped around them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say meteoric in origin, that means that they found exactly what that doesn't belong on Earth?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They found a...
		All they got was metal that they were to analyze.
		They were paid $22,000 to analyze the metal.
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They analyze it, and they come up with a report that says this is from the rare Widmann-Statten or the Yaocheng meteorite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Period.
		Only because they find ratios that are not consistent with anything on Earth.
		Ratios of different metals and so forth that aren't here on Earth.
		That's how they know something comes from elsewhere.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Very correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your scientists then concluded that whatever this was, whatever the hell it was, it didn't come from here.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were also stunned by the fact that it had 11 different elements surrounding it that shouldn't be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That made no sense whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any indication from those who studied it of any machine-like or functional nature?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		No, as a matter of fact, let me back up just a little bit to set the stage a little better for the audience.
		In 1994, I was invited to speak to 250 surgeons at John Muir Medical Hospital.
		The subject was medical complications of alleged human-alien contact.
		Now, this is a continuing education program for surgeons.
		And here I come in with this presentation, and they're literally, literally stunned at what the presentation is, and they're stunned that there's medical evidence, and they're amazed that I'm not, I told them I'm not here to convince you of this, the entities that do this stuff.
		I'm simply asking you to, but really, I want you to prove me wrong.
		That's what I'm here for.
		And here's how you prove me wrong.
		And I told them when these people started coming in, and I brought two abductees who had medical anomalies on them.
		And they gave their testimony.
		And I told the surgeons, I said, listen, if you'll start checking these lumps, bumps, scars, and different things these people come in with, what you're going to find is some of these people are going to have nerve cells that are not native to that part of the body in this place.
		And what you're looking for, most of the time, is see if it's benign or it might be cancerous.
		That's pretty much all you're looking for.
		Please start analyzing these things closer, and if they're really alien in origin, I said, here's what you're going to find.
		I said, so prove me wrong.
		Here are the points.
		First of all, you'll find that there'll be no technology, no discernible technology whatsoever.
		None.
		That's the first thing.
		It's going to stun everybody about these implants when they're first removed.
		Second, we're going to find that nerve cells are going to be present that are not native to that part of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And third, I said, in some cases, I said, well, I think a lot of what we're looking at right now, the metal and the other implants that we're looking at here in these CAT scans, MRIs, and X-rays, in fact, are passe.
		They're actually old and outdated.
		I think what we're going to eventually start finding are biological implants in people.
		It's going to be an accident when we find it.
		And they're going to have nerve cells that are really bizarre because they're going to be central nervous system cells.
		In essence, you would have a little mini brain right there in any part of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And their findings after they went to look for what you suggested?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And the first set of surgeries that were public, and I already done some that were private, but we did some that were public as well.
		And what we found was those statements.
		In fact, the two surgeons that were involved in this called me at 11 o'clock that night and said, you're not going to believe what we found.
		I said, I bet I do.
		They said, no signs of inflammatory response like you predicted to those surgeons, wrong nerve cells present, no discernible technology.
		We don't even know what the thing is.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		And they're, of course, just stunned.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And they said, well, how in the world could you possibly know?
		And I said, well, you're not going to like the answer.
		And they said, what's that?
		I said, I was there.
		12 years old, 1960, in Almagorda, New Mexico.
		I got the same procedure.
		I said, I know what happens to these people.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I was there.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to research it.
		I was present.
		I am an eyewitness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you got all this confirmed, and that's a lot to have confirmed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meteoric in origin, not of this earth, in other words, and removed from a human body, and you called it.
unidentified		So now what?
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Well, we also thought, I also decided that there were other things we needed to be looking for, too, and this was in 1992.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And we had a lady who was in Houston, Texas, who was a millionaire.
		And, of course, she said, you don't understand, we're quite well-to-do, and we don't have these kind of problems.
		We don't have time for it, and we just don't have these kind of problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're above them.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, yes, ma'am, I understand the problem.
		But here you are, and here I am, and here you are with your therapist because you have severe headaches so severe that they have to take you away in an ambulance when you start talking about this UFO thing.
		Why do you suppose that might be?
		Well, anyway, long story short is I pulled out a blacklight and said, do you mind if I check you with this?
		And she said, of course, I had another investigator there in her psychotherapist, and she said, well, not at all.
		Go ahead.
		And I said, I just want to look at your exposed skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does a blacklight tell you?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What we found on this woman was in the invisible range below 400 nanometers, using a blacklight, it excited a portion on the inside of her arm of a Mandelbrot set.
		A Mandelbrot set is a fractal.
		It's like the king of all fractals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like a drop circle.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And it was on the inside of her arm in brilliant blue.
		And she didn't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you know you would find that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What prior research had you done indicating?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I had to go back to the surgical nurse asked me the same question.
		She said, I'm just stunned.
		I have to ask this question.
		She says, how do you come up with these flashes of intuition?
		Well, first of all, intuition shows up in your handwriting.
		I said, and it's in mine.
		But intuition is not something you can necessarily trust.
		It's just something you use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the nurse and I both want to know, how did you even know to look?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I suspected, let's put the police hat back on.
		If a crime has been committed, in my view, there are crimes.
		If a crime of abduction has been done, if it's real, if it's real, if these events are real, it is incumbent upon us as abductees or anyone else investigating this to make a case.
		We don't sit around and talk stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We have to come up with evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So I think that if I was seeing physical marks on these people in the visible light spectrum.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the question is, there's other kinds of lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		35 seconds, and what I need to know is how you even knew to look with a black light.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I sensed that these entities see in the invisible range, and that's the reason it's almost impossible to photograph them, because they see your cameras on whenever you set them up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you were using an intuitive bit of knowledge.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was sort of a good guess, is what it was.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		According to a DSP satellite specialist they use infrared, ultraviolet, and visible light to see plumes of nuclear missiles firing and this sort of thing to protect us, these 18 satellites called the DSP satellites.
		When he met me in Los Angeles, he said, I've got the biggest question in the world.
		He said, how in the world could you possibly think that?
		And I said, because that's how they see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Incidentally, just a quick note, a number of people have fast blasted to say, you know, that's not the right recording you're playing of the earth tearing.
		Yes, it is.
		The recording I have is identical to the ones that others have set.
		It's a rolling thunder, I guess would be described, kind of a rolling thunder, a horrible sound, and that is indeed there, along with the beeping.
		Now, my recording is one of the ones that came directly from the folks that did this, and I caught the alarms going off with it, so that's what you're hearing.
		But the fact that the rolling didn't come through to everybody, it did to some.
		You know, as I go through, it's about 50-50.
		If your receiver didn't have a good bass response, you're not going to be able to hear it.
		But it was clearly there along with the alarm sound.
		Some have a recording of just the, I guess, the rolling thunder sound alone, and that's fine.
		But for some people with small radios, you know, small speaker systems, it's just not going to come through.
		So it was definitely there in spades, but you just couldn't hear it.
		Now, once again, with regard to Daryl Sims, Daryl, that's how I feel about it.
		You know, I mean, people telling stories, interesting, even Fascinating, but stories.
		When you get down to we've pulled this from somebody's body, we've had it tested, and it's not of earth origin, then you've placed your hand on something that's definitely a notch above in the proof category.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what it's all about.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		At some point, we have to get away from just the stories.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And since I've traveled worldwide and I've got over a thousand cases worldwide, you have to obviously if the events are real, you're going to come up with certain things, features that work.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Number one, traits or things that occur to abductees that are consistent worldwide in any language, whether they even where they live out in the bush of Brazil, it doesn't make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		I mean, if we ever want to prove this to the greater scientific community, we have to come up with just the kind of thing you're talking about right now.
		You're also talking about there's some woman, apparently, that you're aware of that has been, she feels, implanted genetically inseminated artificial insemination of some sort.
		Is that correct?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is also correct.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the most remarkable cases that came to me.
unidentified		Tell me.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		It's been fascinating.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Tell me.
		I was at a conference in the United States, and a lady came up to me about 10 o'clock at night.
		Bud Hopkins and I were all going to, several of us are going to dinner, and this elderly lady said, Mr. Sims, would you work with me?
		I've been waiting to see you for a long time.
		And I said, well, young lady, we're going to go eat, and this is a previous arranged meeting and all that.
		And I'll tell you what, if you're here when I get back, if you fill these forms out, I'll be glad to work with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you were having dinner with me?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Dinner that evening.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We were leaving the next morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With Bud Hopkins.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So I came back about 11 o'clock, and lovely lady was standing there with her little forms, about 20-page forms all filled out.
		Sitting there in the middle of the night.
		I'm leaving the next morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are these standard abductees?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They're abduction forms that we put together, Dale Musser and myself, in 1992.
		We had them finalized, and they have become a standard in some circles, quite effective for eliciting information.
		So we went to my room and we sat down and talked.
		She says, I am a retired surgical nurse.
		And she says, so I know a lot about what I'm going to be telling you about.
		And I said, very good.
		I said, I prefer professional if I can get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And so what's your story?
		And she said, well, she said, I've been to a hypnotist, and we get all the way up to an event where everything gets real foggy, and I see there are two entities.
		I can remember this even consciously.
		He said, there's like there's someone in the room, two people in the room, And I can't figure out what they're doing there, and then I'm just completely blocked.
		I can't figure anything out.
		She said, Can you help me?
		And I said, Yes, I can.
		And she says, Why couldn't the hypnotist get this information?
		I said, Because if your story is real, I said, and I'm going to find that out real quick here, you're going to find out that the entity has placed a block inside your memory.
		And she said, why would they do that?
		And I said, well, I really don't want to discuss all that with you.
		Let's find out, first of all, if you even have a real event or not.
		I said, you know, we don't know that yet.
		And she said, well, the event is so severe that I divorced my husband over it.
		So she said, this is not something I took lightly.
		And I said, why would you divorce your husband over this event?
		She said, we had decided not to have sex during this time years ago in the time of Betty and Barney Hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And she describes almost the exact same procedure up to the point where she goes, everything gets real dark and she can't figure anything out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They didn't have sex, so there was no chance that they were going to have a pregnancy, right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She was not going to have a pregnancy.
		She wanted to finish up the end of her work, and then she would become the housewife, so to speak, and stay at home, and they would have their children.
		They were going to really plan this thing out very well.
		But unexpectedly, obviously, she wakes up in the middle of the night here, and there's semen all over her stomach, and her husband's sound asleep, and she wakes up and just slaps him silly, and he thinks she's completely insane.
		And she says, you know, she says all kinds of expletives about what happened to her.
		And there's no other explanation, of course, than him.
		And he doesn't have a clue what in the world is going on.
		Well, he denied it, and she accused him of it.
		And basically, they're both telling the truth.
		Neither one of them know the whole story.
		And they divorced over it.
		And so I kind of butted in.
		I said, now, wait a minute.
		What happened next?
		She said, well, I became pregnant.
		And I said, well, now, wait, wait, wait.
		You're saying that you woke up with semen all over your stomach, two people are in the room you don't know, short people and you can't describe them, and your husband's sound asleep.
		You divorced him over this matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She says, yes.
		So that's the part I don't get.
		She divorced him or he divorced her?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She divorced him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She divorced him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But she's aware that she has to be aware if there's two other people in the room, that it just wasn't hubby in a bad dream.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, she couldn't put together the idea, first of all, anything.
		These are normal people.
		There aren't any aliens.
		I mean, normal people don't have these type things, and this can't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True enough.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		This can't happen.
		So it was him.
		It had to be.
		So she said, she said, well, I became pregnant.
		What do you think?
		And I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we guys always get the raw deals.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, so you then the fetus disappeared in the first trimester.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And she looked at me puzzled and said, why are you saying that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made the guess that it was a good thing.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I just made the guess because you hear these stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And she says, she's puzzled because she doesn't know.
		She is not in the UFO anything, and she doesn't understand what I'm even talking about.
		Right.
		And I said, well, I'm just going to shut up and let you tell your story.
		And she said, okay.
		She said, no.
		I said, well, then the fetus disappeared in the second trimester, which is real unusual.
		She said, why are you saying these things?
		She said, no, I had a full-term pregnancy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, stop the bus.
		Are you telling me, claiming, that you have a full-term pregnancy due to what may have been some type of artificial insemination?
		She said, yes.
		And she said, now, Mr. Sims, I told you I was a surgical nurse, and I'm not somebody who just walks in here with some wild story.
		I've been a surgical nurse for 35 years, and I've seen about everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Daryl, it is a pretty wild story.
		Can I ask you a question?
		Sure.
		This baby was born normally?
		You're telling me?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		My first question to her, was there anything unusual about the birth of your child?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She said, yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She said, I don't know how to describe this any other way.
		I said, just tell me in your own words.
		She said, my son looked like a human grasshopper when he was born.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A human grasshopper?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She said, he was the strangest-looking child.
		She said, he's normal now.
		She said, but he was not normal when he was born.
		He was so odd-looking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did she have any photographs?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She did have some photographs.
		They were not really clear enough that I got any impression because this is quite a while ago when these were taken.
		I mean, old box cameras and the whole nine yards.
		So I said, okay, let's, now you've interested me enough to find out if your story is verifiable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where now was Little Grasshopper?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I asked her, I said, is he okay?
		And she said, yeah, he's perfectly normal now.
		And I said, has he had a troubled childhood?
		And she said, you have no idea.
		And I said, well, would your son be available for some type of DNA test?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And she said, I don't think there would be a problem.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I already have hair samples currently, and the next thing we'll do is get a swab inside the mouth and send it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you haven't done that yet, Brady?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We're fixing to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So she says, well, now wait a minute.
		She said, what do you think we'll find?
		And I said, well, let me work with you a bit.
		Let me, first of all, see if I think there's anything to your story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Retro question.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Beyond that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Retro question, Daryl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why had there not been a test with regard to paternity for support of Little Grasshopper?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		First of all, she's divorced from her husband.
		And it's the strangest thing with many abductees.
		They never ever, it's almost as if these people are told not to look or not to look for evidence.
		It's One of the reasons it's difficult to get abductees to even come forward with evidence.
		And I've done this in support groups and asked people: how many of you people ever feel like you've had a medical procedure of some kind by these entities?
		And almost every hand will go up.
		How many of you people will go down and get an x-ray for me tomorrow or this week or this month and all hands will go down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that they won't do it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Because they're instructed not to do it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		These entities do not want anyone having any evidence of their existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose not.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They keep it in the nebulous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess if you buy Part A, you've got to buy part B. They wouldn't want what they were doing known.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, to connect the dots for me, when I went into the Central Intelligence Agency during the Vietnam War, one of the things I found out in my training, of course, I didn't sit there and tell them that I was previously an abductee or anything like that.
		But one of the things I noticed about our training and the things that we did in the company was we did two things primarily.
		One is we lied and we lied consistently about everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you began on the right lion foot, and you didn't tell them about your abduction experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you apply to the CIA, it's bad form to do that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It would not be hired probably or taken into the company under that range.
		So I found out that based on our training, everything we were doing, the entities had been doing the same thing in my life and in the lives of other people, doing the same thing.
		To me, it looked like an intelligence project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, if I might ask, did you do for the CIA?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I was in a, I was, it was called sheep dipping.
		Sheep dipping is a process where the Central Intelligence Agency goes in and takes military people, and I'd volunteered during the Vietnam War for that effort.
		And I had been, I was at Fort Gordon at a military police school, and while there, about 70 of us were asked to go to a special building, and we had no idea why we had been picked or chosen or anything.
		We had no idea that we had all been looked at long before.
		And we were sent to this building, and there were three people there, and they asked us a lot of questions, and they pretty much cleaned out the room with the exception of about 20 people.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		And I was one of the ones that was left, and they asked all kinds of questions after that, and then they singled us out and interviewed us.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I kept asking questions.
		I said, wait a minute, I need to know some questions.
		Why aren't you guys all dressed in suits?
		Are you military?
		They said, yes.
		I said, are you CID?
		That means Criminal Investigation Division and Military Police, which these guys dress in suits.
		There are detectives.
		I'm in military police school, but that doesn't mean you don't know about the military police.
		I said, so are you CID?
		And they said, no.
		I said, then why are you out of uniform, sir?
		He said, I can't tell you that.
		Well, unbeknownst to us, these are military liaison.
		They're the sheep dippers.
		They're basically the people who go into the military, pick out what they want for their particular projects, for their covert operation projects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me try again.
		What were you doing for the CIA?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		What I was doing with the Central Intelligence Agency was providing a number of security for one, and second, I also taught martial arts in the Central Intelligence Agency to dependents and some of their personnel.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of the purposes of what we were doing ultimately in the entire effort was to take JOTs or junior officer trainees, people who are recruited at universities and colleges, if they meet the criteria,
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		and especially if they have specialized language skills, like Farsi and Chinese and appropriate languages, they would be taken and if they again pass those tests and so on and pass their top-secret clearance and other evaluations, then they would be sent to one of three different installations in the United States, top-secret installations for CIA training.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		I was at one of those areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where I would participate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a teacher?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of the things, no, not necessarily.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When they found out what skills I had after I got there, when my primary function was providing security for covert operations and, gosh, this is kind of ugly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ugly?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of the stuff we did...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's ugly, I can handle ugly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can handle ugly.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that happened while I was in the company years ago is they borrowed somebody from another continent, Angola in particular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Borrowed.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And we had a communist problem down in Angola.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And one of the things that happened was an individual there, one of the leaders in that effort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't other people call that kidnapping?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it is.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You borrowed a person.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They borrowed him, but he never knew where he was at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In fact, our methods were so effective that...
		Well, I didn't do anything with him.
		My part of the operation was to provide security for operations that were ongoing.
		And later, I found out what it actually was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you provided security for the loan officers.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I didn't find out until later what was actually going on, what I was providing security for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yeah, I understand.
		You only get your part of any.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was really surprised because there was one of our guys who works in the, who is a civilian.
		Are you ready for this?
		He's a civilian with a top-secret clearance working there in the Public Works Department with an AK-47 like he was From some other country dressed appropriately.
		This individual, when he apparently got here, he never knew he was in America, never ever knew any of this.
		This was like something out of Mission Impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting strange, definitely.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		He never knew.
		In fact, when he was allowed to get out and walk the grounds during the day, I later found out, he even found gum wrappers from the place he was supposed to be at that they had accidentally left there for him to find, of course.
		They even imported the bugs from the country he was supposed to be at in the little prison that they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he'd feel right at home.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There was no way you could not know that you were in the country you were supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's strange.
		I give you that.
		That's strange.
		So they didn't even want him to know he'd been borrowed or, well.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the curious thing about me was all the stuff that I saw go on in the company, the alien was doing the exact same thing to us.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They lied and they lied consistently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And borrowed all the time.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, when you think really hard, or not so hard, about all we've been discussing, these are really extraordinary claims you're making.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The latest time you can do with your military record in the CIA.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I get people that from time to time ask me, you know, how in the world could you be in the CIA if you were in the Army?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's real simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, you've told us.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		It's actually quite easy.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The interesting thing is that here's something I like to hand to my detractors.
		There is a thing called a questionnaire for public trust positions.
		It's equivalent to the standard form 85PUS used by the Office of Personnel Management.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Things about 41 pages in length.
		If you fill that out and you sign it, you commit a federal crime if you sign that knowing that there are errors on it.
		Everything that I've told you concerning my military police record as a senior military police officer, 95B40, including my private investigations license and so on and so on, all these other things, all that stuff that's listed, it's a federal felony for you to lie on that form.
		I mean, I literally am handing somebody what they need.
		You know, if you want to get me, this is the way to do it.
		If I never was in the CIA, in fact, when I talked about being a martial arts instructor for civilian and for some of their personnel as well, which I did this for a while there, there is a letter that went to Langley from our installation by our station chief.
		And he forwarded this, and there are approximately, oh, there must be about approximately 20 names.
		I haven't counted them.
		But those names that are all hand signatures on that recommendation letter to my, of how well I'm conducting my classes and all of this sort of thing.
		If you get Frank A. Gee's book, The Expose on the Central Intelligence Agency, he's the case officer that finally turned on the company.
		It is listed in the number of those people are mentioned, the signatures on there are in his book on the people he exposed as station chiefs all over the world.
		They're handwritten on my documentation.
		There again, you know, you can go ahead and fake a document like that if you want to, but it's a felony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In addition, do you have any military records remaining?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		You have what is called a DD Form 214.
		DD Form 214.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is any of this reflected on your 214?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Now, what you're...
		Here's the...
		Here's how they cover that.
		When a central intelligence agency or any other branch decides to take you like that in the intelligence community, if they want to do this, you just stay on record as in the military, and what happens is you get transferred to wherever it is you're supposed to be.
		Your record just basically on goes, but where you were at in terms of your function is not going to show up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose so.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		But it does show where I was at.
		It shows, but it's not going to say central intelligence agency on it.
		But now the records that I have personally that were given to me for my trustworthiness and everything else as a martial arts teacher and so on.
		And of course the photographs that I have are on the installation and from the installation.
		And it's definitely the Central Intelligence Agency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're basically an abductee who became an investigator, who wanted to know so much what happened to him that he became an investigator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that fair?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not as flamboyant as that.
		It's not even that good a story.
		It's much more simple.
		I was willing to let all this kind of be okay with me.
		I mean, I really didn't like the abduction business, but it stopped, and so I could deal with it.
		The problem is my son became an abductee at age six.
		Now, the problem is with me, it's just real simple.
		You mess with me, and I can live with it.
		You mess with my children, and I'll come after you.
		So I basically started hunting the predator at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you believe the motivation for most abductions is?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I wished I knew the answer to all that, but I think we can at least come up with some preliminary things at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reproduction?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a handle on this business of what it is that they seem to be interested in genetically.
		We know that 45%.
		Artificial insemination, apparently this takes place.
		Betty and Barney Hills, they reported it.
		This lady, this surgical nurse, she reported it.
		There again, as I told her, I said, I said, Eventually, I think what we're going to find, and I said, I'm going to, after her case was over, I told her, I said, what I think we're going to find is if your story is true, and I said, and I still don't know what it is or isn't, but if it is true, what we're going to find is that your husband is not the daddy, but then that's not going to surprise anybody, really.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		They're just going to say you slept with someone.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She's a very moral lady.
		She would take that very personally if someone said that to her face.
		She'd probably slap you.
		The second thing I said I think we're going to find with some of these ladies, if their pregnancy comes a term, is that the mother is probably not going to be the mommy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is the DNA going to reveal itself to be in any way non-human or beginning to be non-human in this case?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Again, I'm sure there are people in the audience who love to hear a different story on this.
		I don't think that's going to be the case.
		I think what's going to happen in some of these cases where there's strong evidence of this, we're going to find that the mommy and the daddy are not the mommy and daddy of the child.
		And then they're not going to be adopted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be an actual not only the daddy's DNA.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not even the mommy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the DNA will be separate from both the dad and the mom.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, look at the story.
		Suppose the stories of them taking eggs and sperm from different abductees is true.
		What would be a logical assumption that one would take if those stories are true?
		Well, you would create an artificial insemination.
		In other words, the lady might become basically an incubator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wouldn't be her child.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think we may find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think that's going to turn out to be the case with the children?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know with her, but I'm pretty sure we're going to find out the daddy's, the husband's not the daddy.
		I think that's going to be real clear.
		But in some cases, I think, because we've got actually three of these cases, not one, Art.
		I have three cases like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, and I've heard where the children come to.
		I must say, Darrell, I've heard of many others.
		This is not exactly unique.
		This whole genetic artificial insemination, sexual aspect to abduction, when you really get to know somebody, you really get to know them, like Whitley Strieber, for example, maybe sometimes years later, even though we've known each other very well, it came out one night spontaneously on the air that there was, in fact, a sexual aspect to it.
		And to most abductions, when you dig deep enough, you find out something like that's in there.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of the reasons that this is not spoken a lot about is because, number one, it doesn't sell.
		Two things won't sell in the UFO field.
		One is the sexual aspect of what these entities do to you as a child, and they don't do it to everybody, but there often is a sexual aspect of it to children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sells in every other kind of novel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sex sells, Daryl.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem with this is if you're selling certain kinds of books in the field, this and the human aspect of it where death or severe trauma occurs, that's not a very good seller.
		People don't want to hear that.
		They want to hear they're here to save the planet, fix the ozone hole, or whatever.
		And I'm sorry, they're not here.
		If they're going to do that, they'd have done it thousands of years ago and they didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The cosmic Maytag man who got a wake-up call.
		Yeah, not that.
		So if we screw it up, we do it all on our own.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Take responsibility for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, this is such a personal, private intrusion.
		I mean, rape carries with it one of the heaviest sentences behind bars you can get for a good reason.
		And that's what this is.
		As a former law enforcement person, I don't see how you can see it any other way.
		As borrowed equals kidnapping.
		So, you know, kidnapping and artificial insemination equal that in rape.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, to me, that there again goes back to the same old thing concerning my own child.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You know, when stuff like this happens to your own children, and then you later find, you know, that your brother's an abductee, you're an abductee, your son's an abductee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You found out your brother was, too.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, it gets better.
		My other brother marries a lady, and she's an abductee, and her mother's an abductee.
		He later divorces her, marries another lady, and the entire family are abductees.
		I mean, and these people are the type of people, we don't have those kind of problems.
		They describe everything exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have talked to other guests.
		One comes to mind from the Bay Area some years ago who said that they're all over the place.
		They're grown adults.
		You pass them on the street.
		You don't know it.
		There are a lot of, in quotes, them here.
unidentified		Do you believe that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Again, I don't have any, I do not have any I have the stories of that, but I don't have, I've never met any of them, so to speak.
		I definitely have abductees who are as credible, and I guarantee you you would be glad to have them on a, I mean, there are people in the medical field, some of them doctors.
		I mean, one of them is in the Who's Who of Houston for doctors, an abductee.
		I've got three abductees that are NASA scientists.
		I mean, which of these people do you not like?
		So these are credible, decent people.
		And it's not that you have to be a doctor or anything to be credible anyway.
		People are just, just because someone sees something, hears something, or feels something that most others have not experienced doesn't make them a liar.
		As Travis Walton says, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
		It's just not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travis Walton is absolutely, I think, in my mind, the best case that I ever heard about.
		As you know, I interviewed him at great length several times, and the story never screwed up.
		The story was right on from everybody involved.
		It was just one witness, it was many witnesses, as you know.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, he told me one time, he said, well, I was missing for days here, and he said, they said for days.
		He said, I thought it was 20 minutes.
		And I said, How do you explain the disparity?
		He says, I don't have an answer for that, Daryl.
		And I said, maybe I can give you one that'll help you.
		He said, okay.
		I said, suppose you were traveling at a relativistic speed.
		How long would you be gone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		He says, oh.
		And I said, to us, back here, it might be days.
		It might be 20 minutes to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travis necessarily would have considered, but I'm telling you, I really carefully interviewed this man, his boss, and so forth and so on.
		That really happened.
		There is no question in my mind.
		That really happened.
		Very decent.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		It really happened.
		We all want to know if this is true, fantastic as much of it sounds, and you would have to delve into it, and you can if you want to, by the way.
		I'm sure we can give you ways that you can get behind Daryl Sims' work and decide for yourself its veracity.
		Daryl, you've got a website?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		www.alienhunter.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alienhunter.org.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		If you write me, you can just click on Alien Hunter there and it'll email me and I'd love to hear from you.
		I don't care if you agree, disagree, like it, or don't like it.
		It really doesn't make me any difference because I have a real simple philosophy.
		I am not here to make anyone believe anything.
		That is not my purpose.
		If anyone thinks that's the reason I'm here, you've missed my whole point to being here tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is your whole point in being here tonight?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		My point in being here is to show, in fact, there is, in fact, credible evidence that people can review if they choose to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I mean, Daryl, is, are you, do you feel like you're warning people, informing, just informing people?
		You want them to know that what?
		That they are here, that they are doing something, but we don't know what?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think that they, whoever they are, have been here for quite a while.
		I think they've been through various in various cultures.
		You can go back, in my opinion, and see their handiwork.
		When you go back to the Irish as an example, 45% of our abductees are Native American Indian Irish, which is a staggering number.
		If you look at this, even in the Irish, you find the stories of their little people, and you find fairies and gnomes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you said 45% are Irish?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		45% are Native American Irish that are abductees that we work with.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We just were stunned at the number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is amazing.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm Native American and Irish myself, so this is one of the things I started looking for.
		And we were just shocked to see that number that high among the cases we worked with.
		31% of these people up to 31%, because this fluctuates based on your database.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any guesses about why?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the case where we have 31% of abductees in some cases reporting rare drug allergies to procanes, one way that you might have an allergy to something is to actually be infected or affected by it in some way.
		In other words, someone may have given you procanes in some way or another, either through injections or whatever, over a period of time, you finally became allergic to it.
		But procane allergies are extremely rare.
		In fact, if you tell your doctor I have a procane allergy, he'll probably laugh at you and say they're so rare that it doesn't, you know, we never even test one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Daryl, again, are you trying to warn people, inform people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you trying, what message are you trying to send out?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I like to inform people for them to make their own decision.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And everybody has their own level of where they want to enter that or accept it, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're well aware, I know, that there are a number of people who are quite pleased with the fact that they have an implant.
		They're absolutely okay with it.
		You know that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We have several of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of a percentage do you think that group makes up?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I want to make this very clear to your audience.
		There are a lot of stories about a lot of people being implanted.
		And first of all, your audience does need to know this, that I look at hundreds of x-rays every year worldwide.
		Right.
		I mean hundreds of them.
		And I find almost no, maybe less than 1% of people who have actually have an object that may be referred to as an implant.
		And in a number of those, you'll find that many of the objects that you're finding there, assuming that it's a real object and it's not just a mistake on the x-ray or whatever, that in fact many of those are due to something else, such as a guy that claimed he had never had a previous surgery, yet we found a clavicular screw in his shoulder.
		Well, I'm sorry, the aliens didn't do that.
		That's from a previous surgery.
		You may not have known it.
		You may have forgotten it, or you may not have told the truth.
		But the fact is, that's a human device there.
		And implants are extremely rare.
		I think that the implanted or embedded objects, as I like to use the term, embedded objects are there for a purpose.
		I think a lot of them that we're finding are leftovers.
unidentified		They're old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On that show, many of them have been moved.
		On that show, I like Dr. House.
		He says, you know, frankly, patients lie.
		All patients lie.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had one case where we removed a device from a guy's jaw, and he claimed it was inserted there by some intelligence community.
		And I said, well, you don't really fit the criteria of a quote-unquote alien abductee.
		And I said, but I'm going to go ahead and spend the money and the time on you to take you through the surgery to find out what this is because you claim that they're programming voices in your head and all this stuff.
		And he said, that's true.
		Well, we removed the object, and it turned out to be a normal piece of lead, like from the spatter effect from a grenade or some, you know, a bullet or something like that.
		But it was not, there was nothing unusual in any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music Woodward and Bernstein got to the bottom of Watergate because they took the advice of, at that time, Deep Throat and followed the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darryl, do you do all this for money?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It certainly isn't for money, first of all.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		And I thank you for asking that question.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Really?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean that from my heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We have never charged anyone for any procedure we've done, either surgical or even the paper we let these people write on, we pay for ourselves.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		There is no fee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say we, you refer to that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I have a team of about 30 scientists and doctors and other people that work with me from all over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you never take a penny.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe it volunteer their time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you never take a penny.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not a penny.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not a dime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's impressive.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely impressive.
		I guess I want to go back to the very beginning of the show.
		You know, you said you weren't sure if these were aliens or if these were.
		Entities of some other sort, religious, dimensional.
		The possibilities are nearly endless, Daryl.
		You're not at all sure in that category.
		Are they from Planet X?
unidentified		Are they from...
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The fact is that I don't think anyone ultimately really at this point knows because, like I said, they function just like we did in the intelligence community.
		We lied and we lied about everything.
		That's the nature of intelligence.
		That's what we do.
		It's called deception.
		That's what the business was about.
		And if you're not very good at it, then you lose and the other side wins.
		And I don't see the difference in this phenomenon.
		I don't see the difference.
		Everywhere I find, I find subterfuge.
		I find where these people have been deceived.
		We had a mass abduction of eight people in Houston and in another state, all eight taken at the same time, same place, all described the exact same location.
		Two of them came back with implanted devices.
		One of them we retrieved from a lady's eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to guess, I know you hate to do that, and I realize I'm asking you to guess about what their motivation is in doing all of this, what would you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to guess about their motivation, what would you say?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the motivation of the individual...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What they want.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The entities themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's their motivation?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I think the perception that's generally accepted in the UFO field is incorrect, and I'll explain that.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The general view of the UFO field is that there is a lateral view, like a lineup, basically, in a police situation, where you're looking at your perpetrators or possible perps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And here you have the little entity, the little tiny guy that picks everybody up.
		Usually that's reported in their abduction scenarios.
		They basically are the pizza delivery guys, as I call them.
		They pick you up.
		You're just nothing more than pizza to them.
		I mean, they're either picking up or delivering you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They borrow you.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Then you get brought to a guy, in most cases, that looks similar to him, but he's taller and a lot smarter.
		The little guys, the first ones you meet, are about like a 286 computer with legs.
		They're not really that intelligent.
		They're designed to do certain functions and nothing more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they take you to Father Pentium.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
		And he's often referred to by many abductees as the doctor or the guy that's going to do the exam on you and take care of you or whatever is going to happen.
		Then you may encounter a mantis-like being.
		You may encounter a human-type being and others.
		But what I think the UFO people, the UFO community in general has missed, and there again, I could be wrong here, but this is just my perception after 38 years of looking at this thing.
		My thinking is that there are several tiers of this.
		And the reason I say that is because in my last event, the guys that showed up were not the guys that showed up in the first event or in the other events for 13 years.
		And I had a group full of people up in Tampa, Florida.
		The room was full of engineers and pretty educated people.
		One individual sitting in that room was worth $52 million that I knew about.
		And they asked a number of questions about my experiences.
		And I said, well, most of you people sitting in this room think they came here to save the planet.
		And I said, that's not my view, so you probably won't want to hear my view.
		And they said, we really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear your view.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I said, well, in my last experience, I said, I've never described the entities because I want people to describe them for me.
		Because if you can't describe them accurately, then you simply weren't there.
		It's just that simple.
		And I've had eight people be able to answer that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they're not here to save the planet, then what are they here for?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		These entities are here, the second tier and higher are the ones that make those decisions about what is to be done.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I think that based on what we're seeing, that the generational effects, how they seem to have followed us for who knows for how many generations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer to the question is?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think that there is an interest that they have in us, not that they're breeding things into us as some people believe, but it would make more sense to me that they were breeding things out of our lineage, not into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they want something in our DNA, is the answer?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Or simply, for instance, suppose it were a problem for them, that a lineage was a problem.
		Wouldn't it be better to try to manipulate that lineage if you couldn't do something else than You might alter the what's the difference in lab rats?
		If you have a series of lab rats and you've got this one series of lab rats that will not comply, they will simply will not obey, then you can either get rid of the lab rats or you can try to alter them genetically.
		But you're going to have to get rid of that problem or you're going to have a problem with those lab rats from then on.
		Problems that could create problems for you if you had an agenda that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you suggesting that then, to them, we are as lab rats are to us?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think the abductee and the contactee mentality shows it beautifully.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		For instance, if you're very compliant and you like your experience or you think you like your experience, you're referred to as a contactee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		If you don't, and the little genetic engineer, so to speak, picks you up and handles you, and if it's me in this scenario, then I'm probably going to bite him.
		And he's probably going to thump me on the head and tell me I will remember instead of you won't remember.
		And my experiences are going to be pretty unpleasant because I didn't cooperate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't, and I didn't intend to, and I think that may be part of the reason that you can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the difference between an abductee and a contactee, one who has grown to enjoy it.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I can't see the mentality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I did ask you earlier a question that you didn't answer.
		I asked, how many of this type are there, do you believe?
		What percentage of total abductees do you think are quite satisfied with their lot?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I think that about 25% to 30% of abductees go along with it.
		They, in my opinion, have got the Stockholm syndrome from the alien that they've literally identified with their captor.
		I think that's as true as anything in the world.
		That argument came up between me and Dr. John Mack when I was in Istanbul, Turkey.
		He said what we're finding is vastly different than what you're finding in some respects.
		He said a lot of our experiences are more of a...
		For the entities?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For the people that are satisfied with their lot of experience.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
		They've made a choice that they've chosen to accept.
		And I have to respect that because there are people who actually do have experiences that are not horrific and they really were not bad.
		There are other people who had horrific experiences and they simply were instructed you won't remember and they simply didn't.
		However, when you use memory retrieval techniques with them, you find quite a different story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many people are critical of memory recovery techniques, as I'm sure you're aware.
		In hypnosis, the power of suggestion, for example, is very strong.
		And it can easily be misused, with the net effect being the person is actually suggested to them that they had some specific experience.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I agree that that can happen.
		The fact is that I did a demonstration down in Ventura UFO group in California just about two years ago, and I took a hypnotist out of the crowd.
		This was in front of therapist and psychiatrist was present and other professionals were there as well.
		And I hypnotized the hypnotist and did what you would refer to as a stage hypnosis.
		In other words, we had a lot of fun.
		I had her to hallucinate all kinds of things, being in a bus and a bumpy ride and all kinds of fun stuff.
		Everybody's laughing.
		And then I brought her out of this state and I looked at her and smiled and I said, tell us about it.
unidentified		She did.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I said, it was very real, wasn't it?
		She said, yes.
		And I said, young lady, you didn't go anywhere.
		We saw you right here.
		There was no bus.
		There was no bus driver.
		There was no rain.
		There was no heat.
		Nothing.
		And she said, that's true.
		I said, but it was very real to you.
		She said, that's true.
		I took another lady without hypnosis who I knew was an abductee.
		I talked to her earlier that day.
		And without hypnosis, was able to speak to her just watching her linguistic patterns and had her access memory that she had had blocked.
		But she was able to recover that memory very quickly and very powerfully without any hypnosis whatsoever.
		So I was showing these people that you don't have to have memory recovery doesn't necessarily mean you have to be hypnotized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it's not tripped by hypnosis, then what's another way to bring it on?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, there are different techniques that are actually used for this.
		Dr. Haynes uses a technique, non-hypnosis, technique to recover memory.
		It's very effective, very conscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me an idea of how it works.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		A good example is you can, and I took two best examples of this, is one is called a transderivational search.
		This is called a kinesthetic or a touch transderivational search, where you can literally have a person recall the very first time they ever saw, for instance, if the entity was wonderful and kind and sweet and wonderful to them.
		You can take them back to the very first event, the very first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking about the means for taking this person back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If not hypnosis, then what is the means?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The means is the body will make a series of associations all the way back to the very first time if you lose proper linguistic patterns and encode, because the memory encodes in certain ways.
		And if you understand that, they'll go back to the very first memory, which is often quite horrific.
		Not the kind, sweet memory that they were sitting here smiling about the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it may be non-hypnosis, but it's still a suggestion technique.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
		not really this particular technique is very involved linguistics right in other words putting on it That's why I wish you would have been there because when you see this, it's just stunning to see the difference between hypnosis and something very conscious, non-suggested.
		But the fact is that you also have memory markers that occur in your memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I could understand it this way.
		Suppose I were an abductee.
		What would you say to me to initiate this process?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the things that we do is just simply have you fill out a questionnaire.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The questionnaire will tell me a lot about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate questionnaires.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I know, and this one is rather interesting.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When people finish it, they literally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I bet they lie, too.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, the nice thing is I'm a handwriting analyst.
		One of the things I look at when you fill this form out is your writing in it.
		When I get that form, I'm looking at your handwriting.
		If you have a propensity to be a liar, that shows up in your handwriting.
		If you have a propensity to exaggerate, that shows up in your handwriting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So I'm looking at every bit of this when I talk to these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I've held you here with a battery of questions when really I have an audience that wants to ask some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild card line, you're on the air with Darrell Sims.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, hi.
		Thanks for this opportunity to ask us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to yell at us when you're not talking.
unidentified		Thanks for the opportunity for this question.
unidentified		Darrell, it was mentioned in your bio that you do hypnosis anesthesia, and I was wondering, being a person myself that needs really serious surgery and cannot have any anesthesia, if it's something that you teach or that you are present to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a very good question.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And it's a very fair question.
		First of all, I have done hypnotic anesthesia in OR as well as outpatient basis with people.
		I do do that, but if you're in an area where I am not, I can recommend people, hypnotic anesthesia therapists, that can work with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, are you saying it's real, Daryl?
		I've always wondered about that.
		You can hypnotize a person and say, look, somebody's going to cut into your flesh, and it's not going to hurt.
		This will not hurt.
		And you can so impress them that indeed a doctor can begin to open somebody up and it won't hurt.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		In one of our films, I'm actually doing full hypnotic anesthesia with a lady in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could have been a simple yes or no.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You can answer yes, and the doctor was sitting there freaking out.
		He said, I can't believe I'm cutting on this woman with no anesthesia.
		This has got to be killing her.
		And she told me later, she said, tell that doctor, keep his big mouth shut.
		I'm not asleep.
		I heard every word he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		So she emails me.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'll be glad to give her the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, East of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you, all right.
unidentified		Hello, it's nice to talk with you again, Arch.
unidentified		It's Amanda from the Carolinas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to talk to you.
unidentified		I have a comment and then a question.
unidentified		I had many experiences when I was growing up that you don't have time to go into, but in 1976, I actually remember seeing a gray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in 1980, I started having deep puncture marks in my body, always at the base where your neck and your head meet, and between my eyes, and now in other places.
		And after these things, I would be so weak I couldn't even walk the next day.
		And I blew something out of my nose one day that was a silver thing, I guess about a half an inch long.
		And I mentioned it to somebody, and then a few days later, I had another puncture mark which was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I may, what did you do with this thing?
unidentified		I tried to hang on to it, Art, and it disappeared.
		I mean, I don't know if it was taken or what.
		But after I had mentioned it to somebody else and talked with it, it's no longer in my possession.
		What happened to it?
		I can't tell you exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, I bet you've heard a million stories like that, right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm sitting here giggling because abductees are instructed to destroy or get rid of evidence to make sure things disappear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling Asian Death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she got rid of it herself?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She could have and not even known what she did.
		I know one man that had an object that attached to his back.
		He pulled it off.
		It was metallic.
		He was freaked out about it, threw it in the commode, flushed the commode.
		He said, what in the world have I done?
		And he actually jumped in the commode with both hands and tried to get it and retrieve it and lost it.
		But he said, I couldn't believe I destroyed my own evidence.
		Why would I do that?
		And I said, I don't know.
		Why don't you ask your captors?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've actually heard that story.
		Now, where did I hear that story?
		Was that from you?
		No, others.
		I've heard it from others who do what you do and investigate this sort of thing, that people actually have destroyed their own evidence and then suddenly said, what the hell did I do that for?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That's why physical evidence in this field is difficult to acquire.
		It's not that it doesn't exist.
		You can find fluorescence on these abductees within 24 hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, we've got a hit on fluorescence.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you discover this fluorescence phenomenon?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The fluorescence was discovered in 1992.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		The first case was the millionaire lady that I mentioned, and we found a Mandelbrot set on the inside of her arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Some of the fluorescence is due to physical touch.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's like the best way to describe it is alien sweat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since the little crop circle under her arm, since that moment, how much more fluorescence have you done with what results?
unidentified		We have found a plethora of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you've got to absolutely love the internet.
		Benjamin in Paris, France, says, Art, we've spoken on several occasions.
		Please, if you would, Art, refer to the books of Dr. David Jacobs.
		I've read Secret Life and the Threat.
		Mr. Sims would just be more objective in his findings and less emotional.
		Perhaps he'd be taken more seriously.
		Well, I don't know about that part of it, but I do want to ask you about the threat.
		Dr. Jacobs is one of only a very few people like yourself, Darrell, that I talk to that clearly suggests, You know, the people who think these are all warm, fuzzy little creatures ought to probably be themselves examined.
		I mean, he may not go quite that far, but that they're not necessarily warm and fuzzy.
		Their intentions toward us are not necessarily good, and that's a very minimal view in ufology.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I met Dr. Jacobs in Brasilia, and he stood in a line of about 50 people, waited his turn, and whenever he finally got to me to speak after my presentation, he looked at me and said, Darrell, I am sad to say that I am not familiar with your work.
		He said, first of all, I'm stunned that there is physical evidence.
		I did not know there was that kind of volume of evidence.
		And he said, and I just want to apologize that I am not more familiar with your work.
		That was Dr. Jacob's statement to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that said, it's irrelevant with regard to what I asked about.
		His main tenant is that these, whatever they are, don't have our best interests in mind, Darrol.
		Do you agree, disagree with that?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they have our interests in mind.
		And I don't even think they have the first group that come to us, the ones that we see 99% of the time, they're not in charge anyway.
		They're just doing what they're instructed.
		The question we need to be asking is who sent them and why?
		Who's the boss?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody get any answers yet to that one?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Some of the answers that I came up with was in my last event.
		The entities that showed up there were, in fact, different than the others.
		And the best way I could describe them, if I could describe them, from my point of view, and it's strictly personal, is that they acted more like something like the SS of the alien.
		I mean, they were there to enforce business.
		They were not there to give you any medical advice or do this or that or an examination or anything else.
		They were there to terrorize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To terrorize.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That was my viewpoint of the event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a leap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it certainly is a giant leap from those who are satisfied and perfectly happy with your implant, and they think they're, or they are, contactees, and they act in some happy little manner, transferring the word that all's going to be well and so forth, right?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They do try to leave that impression, but the fact is, whenever you're lying there with something inserted up your nasal passage and you're screaming, it's highly likely that that's not exactly the true event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to the phones.
		Wildcard line, your turn with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Thank you, Arch, for your hardball questioning.
		Daryl, I'm a 60-year-old ex-aerospace engineer, and frighteningly, I have to say, I find you 100% credible.
		Now, my question is, can you put your cock brain to sleep long enough to let the other side of the brain conjecture on really what the ultimate purpose of these individuals and their activities is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's really the bottom line one, Daryl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how about it?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'll do just exactly as you've instructed.
		In the final event, it seems to me, after the smoke clears and everything's on the cutting room floor, it all boils back down to the psychological and spiritual rape of an individual.
		Even the physical taking of these people and abduction and the things that they do to these people, it is unimaginable that any sentient being would do this for any reasonable purpose whatsoever.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		Some of the things absolutely make no sense.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		When you talk to geneticists, even the genetics aspect of this doesn't really make sense.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		You don't need hundreds of thousands and millions of subjects to get a genetic example from a population.
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		You just don't need that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's terror?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That's the objective?
		Case in point, yes, I do.
		In one case, the lady, here's a perfect example of how people get sued in the multi-million dollar suits using hypnosis.
		The lady I worked with, the whole family had gone through a horrific event.
		It split the family.
		They later divorced over the series of events, of abduction events.
		They couldn't deal with it as a family.
		They split up and went in all directions.
		The lady finally came to me a year later and said, why don't you work with me?
		I did.
		And she described basically a terrible molestation.
		And she thought it was her own actual doctor.
		But I, knowing that that wasn't her doctor, finally asked her, do you see him?
mark koernke ▲ ● ▼		And she said, no.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I said, if you see any part of him, let me know.
		Well, at that point, she finally, I said, at that point, this short time later, she saw long white fingers moving toward her, and he molested her.
		And she says, what?
unidentified		She kept crying and crying and crying, but why would he do that to me?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She was a very moral lady.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		And I said, think of him as a tape recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I can see how people would come up with that because it would, you know, the mind wants to jump at the most logical thing it can grasp, something it knows.
		It must have been the doctor.
		No, I can see how that would happen.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		She actually named her doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		First of all, I'd like to say welcome back.
		Your voice has been missing for so long, and it's great to have you back.
		Thank you.
		I have a question for Daryl and also a question for you.
		And I'll just go ahead and spit them out and then let you answer them on the air.
		First of all, Daryl, do you think it's possible in any way that maybe these beings are us from the future coming back?
		And you pointed out that maybe they were trying to alter our DNA.
		Maybe there's something with the earth changes that Art has spoken about so many times where there's like a nuclear winter and we have to live underground with the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, ma'am, ma'am, if they're traveling through time and alter our DNA, they're altering their DNA.
unidentified		Well, that's what I'm saying, in order to help us survive better, because maybe they're not able to survive as well.
		You know what I'm saying?
		To help make them be able to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know exactly what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daryl, all of that as one possible explanation?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I don't adhere to the future time thing.
		And the reason is simple.
		If there was a problem, they would have already solved it.
		We would not even be knowing this.
		They could come back from the future, fix everything, and there'd be no problem.
		There'd be no resistance.
		People like me would be non-existent.
		I would not be a problem, and I would not have been a failure in the program, so to speak.
		I mean, I wasn't like a winner in one sense of the word.
		I'm a reject.
		They tossed me out of the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a question for me?
unidentified		Yes.
		Your book, The Coming Global Scooper Storm, and the subsequent movie made off of it.
		You had Zachariah Sitchin on the show many times talking about Anunnaki and Planet X possibly being Nibiru.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Do you think possibly that the coming Earth changes could be caused by the nearing of Nibiru or Planet X if it is Nibiru?
		Just as they call it the flood?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, listen, all of that is perhaps reasonable to deduce from what we've heard from various guests and sources.
		I don't necessarily think that, no.
		It could be, though.
		And everything she suggested could be, including, in my mind, I must say, Daryl, I, to some degree, agree with her.
		Why not speculate that these are beings from the future?
		And then you've got a good motive for tampering with DNA because you're tampering with our DNA.
		But then your answer is, well, it would have already happened.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		They could fix the problem.
		My story would be, I don't remember anything, and there wasn't even an event.
		I wouldn't even know that it happened.
		They could fix that.
		I simply wouldn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, Daryl.
		There are certain events.
		I've touched on this in past years.
		Like Nelson Mandela and others, that millions and millions of people thought that Nelson Mandela was killed.
		That he was dead.
		At least they had that planted in their head.
		And yet Nelson Mandela, of course, went on to lead his nation as president.
		And yet people had this, somehow had this thought that he had died.
		And this wasn't a few people.
		This was massive numbers of people.
		And it's almost as though something massive changed, Darrell.
		As though some twist occurred and not one person or not ten people who were abducted forgot, but everybody virtually forgot.
		Because something in time changed.
		So I don't know if I rule that out.
		I mean, it's no crazier or wilder than people from Alpha Centauri or angels or some derivation of angels or spirits or ghosts or those who have passed before us.
		I don't know.
		All of these things, it seems to me, nearly have to remain on the table until we know for sure.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		We just have to collate what we have.
		In rare cases, very rare cases, we've had angelic beings show up in the event during an abduction.
		When that happens, the alien, whoever they are, take off in all directions, which makes me wonder who they really are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that confusing enough or what?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It got real clear for me real quick if that story is true, and there are several of them.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		One of them is a famous Calvin Parker case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I'm out in the West.
		Daryl, I've been involved with this for 70 years.
		I've been given the responsibility of opening the door on every bit of the cover-up in all ways.
		My father lives on the planet Moropia.
		Like you said, you're part Native American.
		Most of the Native Americans have implants in their brain for the end times.
		There has been a white buffalo born in Kentucky and one in BC.
		Are you familiar with the Indian history that when the white buffalo comes, the white brother will come back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am also familiar with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm also familiar with the stories that have aired recently regarding the birth of more white buffalo.
unidentified		Okay, this is true.
unidentified		My home planet is Moropia, and that is where our Messiah, we call him Yahshua, lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		And also, I have seven implants, and I am preparing a book that will open the door on every bit of it.
unidentified		The Zedis and the Palladians have always worked together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can give us one little hint then, since you're preparing a book on it.
		I've asked Darryl the motivation of those who implant human beings.
		Now I'm asking you, what is the motivation of those who implant human beings?
unidentified		There's two different segments.
unidentified		The Palladians and Zetis work together, and they have implanted about 10% of our population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Motive.
unidentified		Motive is to prepare them because the implant we have can be turned on, and they can communicate when Yashua comes with us to prepare to leave the planet.
unidentified		If you look in the Bible, it'll say that they will remove 144,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So those who will be sucked up will be notified or found or saved by their implant.
		You heard that one before, Daryl?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Quite a few times.
		The problem I have with the story of so many people being implanted, specifically Native Americans and so on, you've got to realize 45% of the people I'm looking at are Native American and Irish or a combination there.
		And these people look at these x-rays and MRIs and everything, and we're not finding the volume that these people are speaking about.
		It just isn't there.
		The evidence for that statement is just not there medically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Conrad, Iowa.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
		See, what I was wondering, I'm a Christian and I believe in Jesus and he's going to return and put everything in order.
		I'm kind of hearing a little bit about the spirit side of this.
		My belief is that this is some kind of demonic entity of Satan's to help in the deception for the end times.
		Do you believe that could be a possibility?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you're kind of like our last caller in a way.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, I'm a Christian, and I don't see the entities as demonic.
		And even from a biblical perspective, it doesn't make sense.
		A demon, by definition, is a disembodied spirit.
		Well, these entities are physical.
		They actually do appear physical.
		They do leave traces on people.
		They do physically touch them.
		They do physically carry them and move them.
		Do I think they're evil?
		Yes, I do.
		I think what they do is evil.
		I think their intent is evil.
		And I need to say that about the hierarchy.
		The entities themselves, I don't think, have much of a sense of care one way or the other what they do.
		They're just doing their job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to be sure I get this in, Daryl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a website that I'd be more than happy to promote for you, www.alienhunter.org, correct?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you, Daryl, how do you make a living?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If not, then from this?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly we have a few things on the site.
		There are videos and tapes and things.
		And if anybody has any interest in those, they can email me and I'll make sure that you get them a lot faster than you can get them on the net.
		So we do have a few things there, but how I make a living is I'm a real estate investor and a private investigator.
		And that's how I make my living.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
		So you probably spent more on this than anything else, huh?
		Probably more of your own money?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		It's been a lot of my own money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daryl Sims.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Clifton.
unidentified		I'm calling from Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Believe it or not, I'm Irene from Cherokee and believe I've been contacted by the aliens myself.
		It's very possible, however, that I have some proof I'm holding in my hand.
		I've got a stone.
		It's formed into a Native American hide scraper, and it appears to have a computer chip embedded into it.
		It's about a 16th of an inch thick, three inches long, maybe an inch tall.
		And on one side, it kind of looks like it could be a fossil, but it looks like a computer chip as well.
		And on the back side, there's little metallic or metal leads like you would find on the bottom side of a computer chip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all of that is pretty intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had it looked at?
unidentified		No, I've been afraid to actually let anybody have it but me because I don't want to lose it.
		I do, however, trust ARC quite well.
		I wouldn't have a problem with that.
		I've been living since the early 90s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that, but please do not send it to me.
unidentified		And I agree.
unidentified		I'm hesitant to release it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just this shipping thing, you know.
		I mean, if you're ever out here, that's a different story.
		But I, you know, the years have taught me don't ship it, especially giving notice on public radio.
		Bad idea.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Especially you don't want to send it through the U.S. mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Do not do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So I'm glad you trust me, sir.
		And maybe if you're ever there or I'm with you or close by, I would be glad to make arrangements.
		But otherwise, don't ship.
		Any suggestions or ideas?
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I sure do.
		One of the predictions I made to the 250 surgeons, a fourth prediction I made was that eventually we will find objects inside people that have technology.
		This will be discernible, clear, and it's obvious that it will be, in my opinion, human.
		And I suspect that if, number one, if you can prove that the object came from someone, in other words, there's a medical history of that, and that that story is true, or if you'd just like for us to look at it, I'd like for you to take some photographs of it, pictures of it, send me the JPEGs, and let our engineers look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm certainly impressed.
		www.alienhunter.org if you wish to know more.
		It has been a pleasure having you on this morning, Darryl.
		What you say is incredible.
		People will make various judgments about it, but it's been a pleasure having you on.
		It really has.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		Art is always a pleasure with me.
derrel sims ▲ ● ▼		I'm so glad you're doing this work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll look forward to the next time.
		Take care, my friend.
		Thank you.

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