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art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe it's a reason to have a little bit of a discussion.
		I don't know.
		But, and by the way, something I did not add last night: yesterday afternoon, Ramona and myself buried Abby in the garden that he loved so much in our backyard.
		So every time he'd run back there, he'd just, you know, he'd take off.
		Front porch, turn your eyes, he was gone, and he was into that garden.
		Might have been the catnip that had something to do with it.
		Anyway, look, I got about 2,500 emails.
		And I'm going to tell you that 98% of them said, don't worry, you're going to meet that animal in the next life.
		And people sent the poem, The Rainbow Bridge, and, you know, on and on.
		It just went on and on.
		I want to thank you all so much.
		But the common thread, and it was incredibly, almost every one of the emails, people thought that their animals, that animals, period, have souls, and that the ones that you had relationships with, if there is a next life, you're going to meet.
		Now, that's not particularly biblical.
		We are a Christian nation, right?
		Pretty much indisputable.
		We're a Christian nation.
		That's not in the Bible.
		The Bible says that only human beings have souls.
		So therefore, only human beings could go to the other side if that's what you believe.
		But that's not what people believe.
		At least not people who listen here.
		Because I'm telling you right now, to 2,500, 2,390, 2,490 had that to say.
		So what are we to believe?
		Certainly, it's obvious to me that all of you, or at least a great majority of you, I'm sure some non-pet owners are going, what's the big deal?
		You know, geez, a cat give me a break.
		But we form a bond with animals that is as strong as the bond we form with other human beings.
		And because the love they give is unconditional, maybe in some cases a very different kind of bond.
		I don't want to say stronger, but just very strong.
		And so I guess that's what you all believe out there.
		I know I do.
		I sure know I do.
		Listen, late news.
		There was just an earthquake outside Tokyo, not a giant one, preliminary 4.9 off the northern coast of Japan.
		Ramona was telling me a 6-point something.
		I'm not sure.
		We'll see how this comes out.
		This one says 4.9.
		I'm not sure if it's in addition to or this is the one, but it's one of many earthquakes.
		I mean, we have had them now up and down the west coast in a manner that's beginning to worry a lot of people I know.
		Had a lot of us thinking about emergency communications.
		It's kind of like the earth is warming up for some event.
		And I wonder if the rest of you kind of began to feel that last week as they just kept on rocking.
		We'll look at the world news in a moment.
unidentified		We'll look at the world news in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of this coming hour, Dr. Doom, one of the most controversial guests we ever have on coast.
		He's called Dr. Doom for a very good reason.
		Very briefly, I don't really like the world news.
		It's never good.
		But very briefly, a suicide bomber walked calmly into a popular Baghdad restaurant at lunchtime Sunday and killed at least 23 people eating plates of lamb and rice.
		At least 23 dead.
		It's every day now, right?
		In sworn testimony that contrasts with their promises to the public, the FBI managers who crafted the post-9-11 fight against terrorism say that expertise about the Middle East or terrorism was not important in choosing the agents they promoted to top jobs in charge of that kind of thing.
		Only our government can admit something like that and get away with it.
		If a large corporation that makes cars or light bulbs or something like that were to promote somebody to the top, the very top of the company that makes light bulbs, somebody who didn't know a damn thing about light bulbs, do you think that company would admit it?
		No, they'd get rid of them.
		Only our government can admit, yes, we have a war on terrorism, but we're not hiring anybody who knows anything about those who are at war with us.
		The frontrunner in Iran's presidential runoff sought to rally Moderate Sunday by warning that his hardline opponent would run a totalitarian regime.
		The statement from the campaign manager for Ayatollah Rossen Johnny came amid suspicions a powerful revolutionary guard might just rig the runoff for conservatives.
		The director of the CIA says that he has an excellent idea where Osama bin Laden might be hiding, but that the U.S. respects, we have so much respect for sovereign nations that it makes it more difficult to capture the al-Qaeda chief.
		Now, where do you think that he might be?
		What nation could be harboring him?
		Some nation, apparently, for which we have so much respect that we would not go in and get him.
		What nation would that be?
		I mean, is he hiding in London, maybe?
		Or what?
		Scientists in Britain have shown that stem cells extracted from human embryos can develop in the laboratory into early forms of cells that become eggs or sperm.
		The research raises the possibility that one day eggs and sperm needed for infertility treatment could be grown, well, in a dish.
		Preliminary experiments also suggest that scientists may eventually be able to use the technique to create a supply of eggs for cloning.
		Wonderful.
		And so I suppose somewhere down the line in the next few generations, we're going to meet people and we're going to ask, well, where were you born?
		Well, I was born in a dish.
		Yes, sirie, fine Chinese China.
		I don't know.
		It's going to be a weird world out there.
		If you went back in time and you met your teenage parents, that's Ramona laughing, you could not split them up and prevent your birth even if you wanted to, according to a new quantum model.
		You see, everything now is quantum.
		Well, in the quantum world, this old paradox is finally answered.
		Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback loop where backwards movement is possible now.
		That's it, folks.
		Back in time is possible, but there's a little hitch only in a way that is complementary to the present.
		What does that mean?
		Well, it means you can't screw with the past in any way that's going to change it in a negative or even in a positive or any way at all.
		In other words, time travel in a quantum world that we all know is very much ahead of us is going to be possible.
		But not in a way that would alter the past, particularly in some unsatisfactory manner.
		Well, the red planet, Mars, is going to attack folks.
		It's, well, it's coming anyway.
		It is approaching Earth in a way that we will never see again in our lifetimes.
		Never.
		By August 27th, in fact, Mars is going to look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.
		Now, I have a problem with that, but they say it is so.
		Mars will be easy to spot at the beginning of August.
		It's going to rise in the east at 10 o'clock at night, reach its azimuth at about 3 in the morning.
		By the end of August, when the two planets are the very closest, Mars is going to rise at nightfall, reach its highest point in the sky at 12.30 a.m.
		That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has ever seen in recorded history.
		That's how close we're going to be.
		So mark your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter throughout the month.
		Share this with your children and grandchildren.
		It says no one alive today will ever see this again.
		I thought that just happened a year or two ago.
		And weren't they saying the same thing?
unidentified		Maybe that's an old story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The universal movie White Noise, oh, I saw that.
		I saw White Noise recently, was released in January of 2005 in the UK.
		It concerns the little-known paranormal occurrence of EVP or electronic voice phenomena in which discarnate voices are captured, at least for the purposes of the film, through the medium of white noise, the soft swishing sound that one finds or could find before the airwaves filled up.
		In some cities, you virtually have no white noise, one station after another.
		In the film, Michael Keaton plays Jonathan Rivers, whose wife Linda suffers a sudden mysterious death.
		Later, he is contacted by a man who claims to be receiving and recording messages from the dead, including some from Linda herself.
		Initially skeptical, of course, he eventually becomes an EVP researcher himself.
		And not all of it, I might add, is positive.
		In the October 20th edition, no correction, 30 October 1920, that's a long time ago, of Scientific American, Thomas Alva Edison, America's most celebrated inventor whose track record included the invention of the light bulb,
		the electric light bulb, the phonograph, and moving pictures, wrote the following, quote, If our personality survives, then it is strictly logical and scientific to assume that it retains memory, intellect, and other faculties and knowledge that we acquire on earth.
		Therefore, if personality exists after what we call death, it is reasonable to conclude that those who leave this earth, who would like to communicate with those they have left here, I'm inclined to believe that our personality hereafter will be able to affect matter.
		If this reasoning be correct, then we can evolve an instrument so delicate as to be affected or moved or manipulated by our personality as it survives in the next life.
		Such an instrument, when made available, should record something.
		And of course, when you raise ahead to George Meek's fascinating research, then you have to believe that certainly may be true.
		One more quick thing here.
		I swear to you, this is true.
		It's from the Arizona Daily Star.
		And I'm thinking it could put me into a big money-making business.
		Maybe your rugged SUV never goes anywhere wilder than the mall.
		But you now can look like a wilderness adventurer with spray on mud.
		For owners who don't want it to look like they might just be driving an unnecessarily gas-guzzling SUV, a little splash signals that the vehicle Spends time tracking the backcountry.
		The product is a brainchild of Colin Dows, a businessman from England.
		He lives in a village close to the Welsh border.
		Spray on Mud is an urban camouflage designed to give the impression that you're a very serious off-roader.
		Dows, a web designer, came up with the idea about a year ago while sharing a few pints with friends at a local pub.
		It's genuine local dirt, said he, strained to remove stones and any other debris mixed with water and a secret ingredient that Dow says helps it stick to the vehicle's body.
		He says don't use it to obscure the license numbers on your license plate, Warrens.
		That's a findable offense.
		Otherwise, he's going worldwide with this.
		He is selling so much mud now that it says, well, quote, some will hold this product up as evidence that there's a bunch of people out there who aren't taking these vehicles off-road and therefore don't really need them.
		He worries.
		But the mud just can't sell fast enough.
		It's going for $14.50 a quart right now.
		$14.50 a quart.
		And actually, the headline is Spray on Mud Gives SUVs Panache.
		And this tells you, ladies and gentlemen, this and, oh, yes, there's a big market for Fake cell phones.
		Plastic, non-functional, fake toy cell phones.
		What are they for?
		They're so that you, too, can hold a cell phone to your ear as you ride down the street and be seen by others who pass you by, presumably having them thinking, oh my God, successful over there.
		Look at him.
		Talking on a cell phone.
		So now we have fake mod for the SUV, and we have plastic cell phones to indicate importance.
		Ain't it a wonderful society we live in.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How do you follow up a story like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		This is Matt, the security guard calling from Tampa.
		First off, I wish your birthday had been happier.
		Thank you.
		But I want to talk about hybrids and black helicopters.
		I saw my first black helicopter tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, a lot of them are black now.
		You have to bear that in mind.
		I mean, black is not unusual for a military helicopter.
		it blends in so well with the night sky.
unidentified		Yeah, but it was broad daylight It was one of the little observation helicopters, one of the old OH-6s.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they just...
		Maybe, you know, people who own helicopters, if they want to really look like they have cojonies below the blades, I don't know.
		So anyway, it was a black helicopter and what else?
unidentified		Oh, hybrids.
unidentified		I've seen two of them in the past few months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hybrids?
unidentified		Hybrids.
unidentified		Human and other species, aliens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's bigger than the black helicopter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know they were hybrids as opposed to just odd humans?
unidentified		Well, I think it's on your website.
		They showed the pictures of the old skulls where the back of the head, the occipital area, comes out like four or five inches beyond the neck.
		It's almost conical as opposed to being rounded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like cone heads.
unidentified		Almost, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the rear.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you approach any of these hybrids, attempt to converse with them or say welcome to Earth or, you know, whatever?
unidentified		No, I was just observing.
		But it was the head was one thing.
		And then the facial features, they're both their eyes were a little bit wider set.
		They were rounder.
		The faces were flatter.
		It was just rather interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't manage to work up enough nerve to actually go and approach one of them?
unidentified		No, I was going to, you know, how do you approach somebody?
		Hi, are you human and what else?
		That'd be just a bit tacky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, not if they're really as described.
		I mean, you could do something like, oh, hey, you know, I think I've seen you before.
		Where are you from?
		Something like that.
unidentified		Yeah, they come back with Alpha Centauri, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Alpha Centauri.
		All right, sir.
		Well, thank you very much, and have a very, very good night.
		Next time you see one, see what you can find out.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Wade calling from Louisa, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		The reason I'm calling you tonight was about the earthquakes and stuff.
unidentified		It's all been going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you beginning to feel something?
		I mean, when you're getting news of like two or three a day, it starts to feel weird.
		Like, you know, oh man, something's coming.
unidentified		Well, you know, yeah, I am.
		Probably all the times I've talked to you or George over through the years, this is probably the first call that's actually gave me some trepidation because of what I believe is coming very, very soon, possibly in the next two to three days, right?
		I believe we're on the verge of having multiple cataclysms, both natural and man-made, throughout the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a good friend of mine who's a ham operator down in Southern California, down in Burbank, California, matter of fact, thinks we're about to have a big earthquake so much that he has been spending the last week velcroing his equipment to the desk and to each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's Velcro like everywhere.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, Californians are so used to earthquake, you know, it doesn't bother them.
		But what's been going on for the last week, they're getting spooked.
		And it's not just in California, it's been going on throughout the world here in the last, you know, they had a pretty good one up in Alaska this week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's one of two things, sir, that's going to turn out to be true.
		Either these are a warm-up for a really big event, or these are small earthquakes relieving pressure and preventing a big event.
		It's going to be one of the two.
unidentified		Yeah.
		So I'm just throwing it out there into the wind.
		i believe starting this word of natural and man-made cataclysm uh...
		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Hey, Art.
		This is Brian from Oakland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brian from Oakland, yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to make a comment about the new podcast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		The podcast.
		Oh, man.
		I've been getting email about the podcast.
		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, is there anything that we can do to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I tell you exactly what's up, man.
		I bitched myself.
		I called the network and I said, hey, what the hell's up with this?
		You can't take the bumper music out of the show.
		It's like cutting the right arm off.
		You know, we use bumper music.
		I do anyway.
		I use bumper music to sort of accent whatever I'm doing at the time.
		And here's the deal.
		If they put the music in the pod thing broadcast, then they have to pay this enormous, outrageous fee that would then have to be passed on to the podcast users.
		And so instead of doing that, they chop it out, which is rough, but it makes it affordable for podcast users.
		So that's what they were faced with.
		You know, either charge them a lot more or take out the music and just give you the meat.
unidentified		Well, I guess they have to do what they have to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I mean, would you want to pay $20 more?
unidentified		No, no, $6 is enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's outrageous what they're doing, but it's the way the world is.
unidentified		One other question.
unidentified		Can you be sure to ask Major Ed Daines in the next hour about his RV lottery DVDs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I sure will.
unidentified		If it possibly pertains to the California State Lottery?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely will.
		Thank you.
		I sure will.
		In fact, you know, if enough people had the ability to read the numbers and win the lottery, that would put the lottery out of business.
		Or would it?
		Or would these people that have learned the secret method of determining the numbers, few as they are, keep the secret?
		And therefore, keep the ability to hit the lottery every now and then safe?
		I don't know.
		I wonder about these kinds of things, and I'm sure you do too.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Are you there?
		Going once, going twice, going three times.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, sir.
unidentified		My condolences about your cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I know it's a hard thing to go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like losing a child.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I just lost a little 16-year-old dog that I've had since I was 11 years old not long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only pet owners can understand this and others scoff.
		But, you know, it is.
		It's like losing a child.
		You know, Abby was one of our family.
		End of story.
		Anyway, what's up?
unidentified		Well, I was watching Meet the Press this morning, and I heard something on there that I actually heard from you first.
unidentified		It was about the guy that doctored all the documents for President Bush about the global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		He had Senator McCain on, and he was asking McCain about it, and McCain, he just basically apologized about it on behalf of, you know, all the, I guess, Republicans, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, sir, only in the government can you do something like that and sort of get away with it.
		Look, they don't want to hear about this global warming stuff, so we're going to change the report, and we're going to X all this out, and we're just not going to tell the White House because they don't really want to hear it.
		So here, let's X this out, and we'll eliminate this and redact that.
		And before you know it, it reads like just a fairy tale, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I hate to tell them it's going to happen one way or another, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like hiring people to fight the war on terror who don't know a damn thing about the terrorists.
unidentified		Crazy world, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only our government can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With our taxpayer dollars, I might add.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Can I have one more quick question?
		Yes.
		Last night I was listening to the Encore, and what was up with that preacher guy they called in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you referred to the one and only J-C.
unidentified		Oh, that guy's crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jay C. has slipped a cog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did that many years ago, but he is crazy as a loon.
unidentified		Yeah, well, my grandpa has the same for people like him.
unidentified		If you don't mind me saying, he's nutty as squirrel poop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is nutty as squirrel poop.
		Thank you very much, sir, and have a good morning.
		Of course, the squirrel poop, that actually makes sense.
		Squirrel nuts in, nuts out, right?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Cindy from Stockton, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Cindy.
unidentified		I am so pleased to be able to talk to you.
		A friend of mine recently, I'd say within the last couple of months, turned me on to both you and George.
		And George was right when he said the night of your birthday that you are the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's kind.
unidentified		You are totally the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you and thank George.
unidentified		Also, I wanted to give you my sincere and absolute condolences over the loss of your cat.
		I know exactly how that feels.
		How long did you have this particular cat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15 years.
unidentified		I had one four years ago that I'd had for 18 years.
		And it was the longest I'd ever had any particular cat.
		And she and I went through some really heavy stuff together.
		She was around when my husband passed away and my dad and a lot of my family members.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any doubt in your mind that that cat had a soul?
unidentified		Not at all.
		Not at all.
		In fact, I've seen her twice since she died.
		In fact, I saw her night before last in my hallway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the number of pet ghost stories are equal to the number of people ghost stories.
		And That's even further proof.
		I mean, I'm telling you, I got well over 2,500 emails, and everybody said it.
unidentified		Yeah, not surprising.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it is surprising because really the Bible sort of says that people, human beings, are the only ones that have souls.
unidentified		And that also bothers me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, that's not what people believe at all, including me.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		And that always bothered me because it's like, if I'm going to go to heaven and my pets that I loved so much aren't going to be there, to me, that wouldn't be heaven.
		I've seen them.
		I am not kidding you.
		I saw this cat, like I said twice, just night before last, and I believe that the cat came back when she did, even though it's been four years since she died, because my house is for sale.
		Well, it's going through ESCO right now, which has to do with the number eight, by the way.
		So thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
unidentified		But I believe that that's why the cat came back now when she did, was because I'm going to be leaving.
		And I have her ashes here in the house.
		I had her cremated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I had an email from a very intelligent email from a father and son who had a pet.
		And they were present.
		They were there when that pet died.
		And they saw a little wispy white something at the moment of death come from that animal and move straight up and out.
		Now, it was a well-worded, well-constructed, intelligent email.
		And so what was that?
		Huh?
		What was that?
		If there's no soul, then what was that?
		And if there is a soul, then how does that jive with what we're told in the Bible?
		International line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		I'll push the button.
		Now you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Dina.
		I'm calling from Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part?
unidentified		Well, northern, just south of the border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you live there or are you vacationing?
unidentified		Well, partially.
		I go back and forth.
		I have a place up in the States as well as here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you drive through that eternal weight border checkpoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		And I was just thinking when you were advertising or mentioning the ad for the dirt, canned dirt, that we really don't need it here.
		He'd lose money in Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, but see, what an export it could be.
		See, I was thinking the same thing.
		We've got dirt with a high clay content here, right?
		And it would really stick nicely to the side of an SUV.
		And so I was thinking, boy, what a business opportunity.
		You know, just I'm sure, I mean, you can't patent mud, right?
		So the guy doesn't have a patent on this.
unidentified		No, we should do it.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good idea.
unidentified		We're going to gather on this and talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that way you could have like Mexican mud.
		Now, there's a real ballsy SUV.
		It's got Mexico mud on it.
unidentified		And it looks it, too, every time I come through.
		I actually was calling.
		I was a little surprised that the gentleman who called from Kentucky to talk about earthquakes didn't mention this weekend's quake in Paducah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Paducah being not too very far east, northeast of New Madrid, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where they had one of the biggest earthquakes ever.
unidentified		Yes, exactly.
		So I thought, well, I wonder if Major Dames has any comments on that.
		I'm really, really looking forward to hearing him this evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, coming up shortly, and I can sure hear your pets in the background.
		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		Thank you again so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome all the way from Mexico.
		Yeah, Mexico, Mud, that'd be especially, I don't know what's the right word.
		I don't know.
		It would have special panache.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you doing?
unidentified		This is Jeff from Grand Rapids, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I wanted to tell you, I think you're the best.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for a long, long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very kind of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was kind of calling it.
		You're welcome.
		Sorry about your cat, too.
		I was calling about the Osama bin Laden Porter Goss thing, kind of.
		I was kind of wondering maybe if that would be Saudi Arabia where he's hiding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, because, see, I don't think we'd be afraid to send a special ops team into Saudi Arabia and grab his butt.
		Maybe it's some country like Britain or I don't know.
		But if it were up to me, I mean, we're pretty ruthless and we really want his tail end.
		So I think we'd go into Saudi Arabia unless he's with the Royals.
unidentified		Right, right.
		Well, I don't know.
		I just think he's I think he's over there tied up in the Middle East because I don't think he could have got anywhere else, but that's just my personal belief.
		The English thing is kind of interesting to me.
		I don't know how he would have got there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope he's tied up, too, with things of bamboo going up his fingernails.
		You have a good morning, sir, and thank you very much for the call.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Indiana, and this is my, I think, 12th time to talk to you on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was questioning, calling about the article on Mars you had earlier in the evening, how it's supposed to get in our sky as big as the full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't believe it either.
unidentified		And didn't we have, like you said, a year ago or so, wasn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could swear.
		Yeah.
		There was an article just like it.
		I think it was Mars going to be as close as it would ever be in our lifetimes.
		How can that happen twice?
unidentified		Yeah, it wasn't going to get that close for another 50,000 years or 63,000 years or something like that.
		Now it's going to be as big as a full moon.
		Well, I must say they must be using the metric system to fit within one year 50,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's more than the metric System, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's, I don't know, the kind of calculations they did at some of those companies that went belly up.
unidentified		Yeah, some kind of weird gazintas or something.
		But also, I wanted to let you know that years ago we had a German shepherd die, and we had had the animal, the pet, for a number of years, and it was like a member of the family.
		And you do love them in a different way.
		It is a different kind of affection you have for them because of just the relationship you have with them and what they bring to the family.
		It really is a different thing, and it is always a hard deal to lose a very good friend like that.
		And so I wanted to extend my sympathies toward you and your wife over the loss of your close friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so very much.
		And that's kind of like what I got.
		And as I was saying, of all those emails, 98%, 99% all talked about animals' souls and meeting them on the other side.
		Well, how can that happen?
		That's not biblically accurate.
		I'm sure there are people who would say otherwise, but a real, true, literal reading of the Bible, I think, says not that at all.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Steve from Fayette, Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, you know that spray-on-dirt brings new meaning to the term pay dirt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pay dirt, yeah, for that guy's pay dirt, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, and I ran into a guy a few years ago who I had seen and hadn't seen him for a while and saw him again, and he was wearing glasses.
unidentified		And he was telling me the new rage where he was from was to wear fake glasses so you appeared to be intelligent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, now we'll add the guy going down the street with fake glasses, the plastic cell phone, and the bought dirt on the side of his SUV.
unidentified		And as far as animals having souls, the Bible mentions horses.
		It says Jesus is going to come back on a horse.
		So our church believes, hey, if they're going to have horses, they're going to have everything else.
		So I'm looking forward to doing a little fishing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're certainly right about the biblical reference to the horse, but of course it doesn't say specifically the horse has a soul.
		It simply indicates he will come back on a horse.
		So you're right.
		But really, still, this belief is somewhat heretical, but obviously shared by a majority of the population.
		Now, I wonder if that represents a sea change in what people believe.
		I mean, out of that many emails, 2,500 emails, to receive that many people who just simply, firmly, without any doubt believe that is a study in itself.
		It really is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Yeah, the Bible says that in the afterlife, the lion will lay down with the lamb, but they'll be vegetarians.
		They'll eat straw, and little children will play with snakes and not be bit.
		And it also says in this life we can ask the animals and the birds to teach us.
		So the Bible nowhere says that they do not have souls.
		You will see your animals in the afterlife.
		That is a biblical view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I knew that I would have somebody come along and say essentially what you've said.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it may well be, but there are others.
unidentified		But to show you how people are ignorant about the Bible, the Bible says there's a new heaven and a new earth, and we don't go directly to heaven.
		We go to a new earth.
		Most Christians believe they're going to heaven.
		That is the wrong choice.
		You want to go to the new earth for the thousand-year reign of Jesus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The new earth.
unidentified		Right, the new earth, not the new heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the new earth.
		Well, there are some who don't believe that earth is exactly heaven-like in any regard at all.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, is this Alex?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it who?
unidentified		Is this Art Belshall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Art Bell.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Hi.
		I'm a first-time caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was just calling to see how you would respond to a little funny anecdote.
		Just listening to you for the past six months, I came to a conclusion or summarized, you know, just an overall understanding.
		And I came up with the question that out of everything going on, do you think that a monkey would want to become a man?
		And if there's like, you know, like aliens or something that are coming here or something, why would we go to the zoo and try to become an ape or and are we falling that way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean, are we headed toward becoming apes?
		Now, there's a disastrous thought.
		I mean, everybody normally thinks that man came from ape, evolved from ape.
		Well, not everybody, but the scientists do.
		That we came from ape.
		But what if it's going the other way and it's happening too slowly for us to notice?
		and we're actually all slowly becoming apes.
unidentified		Well, it's just that I don't think that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're good?
unidentified		They're good for feeding the pod listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bumper music was Who'll Stop the Rain.
		Not my guest coming up.
		The world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Major Edward A. Dames, Major U.S. Army, retired, that's going to bring up a question right away, is a decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program.
		And I'll tell you right now, I know every ounce of that to be absolutely true.
		I had Major Dames' full military record, and he did exactly what he said he did.
		He served as the Training and Operations Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit, PSIINT, and currently serves as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group.
		The technical consultant for the feature film Suspect Zero, a Tom Cruise Paula Wagner production.
		Ed coach Sir Ben Kingsley, and played the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie as well.
		I now have a DVD copy of that movie, which I have not yet watched, but I'm going to plop it in and watch it.
		I got an email from somebody that I'm going to, I think, hit Major Dames with in a moment.
		As a matter of fact, why let him warm up to the question?
		Major names in a moment.
unidentified		Gunshot Gunshot
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe the solstice is upon us today in most time zones being the longest day of the year.
		Luke in Baker, Louisiana, says, Hey, Art, the word you were hunting for to describe the Mexican mud for the SUVs is a cheesemo.
		An exaggerated masculinity.
		The patented name for our Mexican mud product would likely be, logically be, mud chismo.
		Right.
		Ed, welcome to the program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Happy Father's Day, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the islands, we speak to you, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		For another couple of days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For another couple of days, and then it's back to good old California.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good old California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, I had an emailer that really sparked my interest earlier tonight, and he suggested to me, I know that what is claimed in your bio in the beginning is absolutely true, because I do have your military record, but this person said, look, Art, we've got a hiss on this line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you hear that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You turned off the hiss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Did it go away?
		It was a fan.
		Fans off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		I know how it is in Hawaii.
		Anyway, look, what the person said was, once a military intelligence officer, always a military intelligence officer.
		In other words, you may retire, but you never really totally, fully retire from a job like that.
		And you still have contacts.
		And, well, the emailer was frankly suspicious that somehow you're still involved in some backdoor way with military intelligence.
		How do you respond to that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's CIA.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's generally true with CIA personnel, but that's not true as most of my colleagues and former colleagues know in military intelligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that particular unit that you were in, it just isn't true as it would be true of a CIA agent.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although I can imagine, really I can add, circumstances where even though the official program is gone, oh, I don't know, the government in a moment of desperate something or another might get hold of somebody in your field, if not from the old group.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I became the keeper of the keys, and I'll talk a little bit more about that tonight, when America abandoned its sci-fi unit.
		And indeed, that door may need to be opened again in an emergency, but then again, it may not.
		As far as direct official or unofficial work right now or connection with the government, there is none.
		Otherwise, I would not have been able to go to Eastern Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ed, I think that's crazy.
		I mean, we had people since the closing of the unit blow up buildings in New York, hit the Pentagon.
		Never has the world seemed more dangerous.
		So what about that?
		I mean, isn't it to the point, just about to the point?
		Look what we're facing in Iraq right now, and God knows what we're facing as a nation.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hard, it's the same logic as one of the news stories that you read, where people move up into the top positions, controlling positions of very important agencies, but have no experience with the threat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, it's true.
		It's true.
		Only in our government can that level of incompetence succeed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It makes no sense to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and actually, you turn on the fan.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting noise.
		All right, so look, I understand that you just have returned from what used to be the Soviet Union.
		You were in.
		Where were you?
unidentified		Ukraine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were in the Ukraine.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I spent two weeks in Ukraine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, the trip was very historic for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, actually, I understand you talked to my producer, Lisa, from the Ukraine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I did.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We had a bad connection on my cell phone, but I did talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be darned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what were you doing there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I had always wanted to go to Eastern Europe, and I'll give you a little background why.
		The more time I spent spying on the erstwhile Soviet Union, the more respect I began to gain for the very novel approaches to warfighting, weapons development.
		And you may or may not know this, but before and after, both before and after my tenure as operations and training officer for the SciSpy Unit, I was one of just a handful of science and technology targeting officers.
		And my job was to prevent technological surprise on a future battlefield in some very specialized areas, exotic weapons, biological warfare, parapsychology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, how would you go after, for example, let's say the Soviet Union had some new horrible weapon that we weren't aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would your unit target and even hope to understand what it was they were seeing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, part of the tradecraft is, of course, classified, so I won't get into that part.
		But you can imagine how we did it the other way.
		We'd first get reports of this information reports that we'd have to check out.
		There's something over here that may represent a threat.
		So I would have to orchestrate a penetration mission or at least an intelligence collection mission, and that would include agents that we had in the area, people who had already sold out Russia, their own country that we were paying.
		And then we would get locational fixes from them or possible locations, fixes, and I would target our satellites to look at those locations, then sit down at a light table and see if there's anything really there.
		And if there is, then I could call in some more exotic systems.
		And of course, the Sci-Spy unit helped a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The way I understand remote viewing, you end up essentially drawing, for example, drawing something, drawing something that comes from however you're able to do what you do.
		But what I was wondering is, if it's not classified, how you could take that drawing and then have somebody interpret that it's some new sort of, I don't know, example, laser, space laser weapon or something very exotic like that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We sit down.
		It's not just sketching.
		It's also a description, detailed descriptions and summaries of what we have there.
		Now, because we're trained technicians, and that's my job, is to be a trained observer, I may not necessarily understand what I'm looking at, but I can describe it succinctly.
		What I do then is sit down with an expert in that field, let's say a laser physicist or a directed energy weapons guy, and I'll say, okay, this is what we have.
		Now, that person may automatically or spontaneously recognize what we've drawn, but then again, he or she may not.
		And then they would ask me questions, and I would say, okay, I'll be back.
		Go and hit that specific focal point.
		For instance, if we're dealing with, let's say, hypothetically, a directed energy weapon, is this thing a neutral particle beam weapon?
		What kind of polarization does it have?
		That kind of thing.
		And I would have to re-cue the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, return in my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would assign the target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, say you'd report to somebody and they'd want to know about such and such, so you'd assign a target, right, and gather a group and give them the target.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Generally speaking, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you think of the Ukraine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, how did you arrange your visit to see and take in what?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to know, I don't know if civilians know this, but for intelligence officers, depending on where you are and what position, there is a period that sometimes five years, sometimes ten, and it used to be 15, where there's travel restrictions.
		You can't go anywhere near the countries that you were spying on.
		Right.
		So that ended for me several years ago.
		Because secrets have a lifespan, as you know.
		Some are longer than others, but most secrets have a lifespan.
		For instance, let's say the stealth bomber during its development was a pretty well-kept secret.
		But you can't keep a secret like that forever, especially when you feel the system.
		So my travel restriction was over, and of all of the weapon systems that the Soviets had, the one that was the Leviathan, the most deadly weapon on earth, was the SS-18.
		The NATO code name Satan, interestingly enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Satan.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Satan.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's a picture of it on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why so named?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I guess I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was it that bad, meaning good?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's the reason that a lot of times the names are just pulled spontaneously out of the computer, and the computers spit this one as the next up name for a foreign threat weapon system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I see one launching right there.
		Oh, my God.
		Look at that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's nasty looking, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alex put that up for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they've still got them, don't they?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they crunch them?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That was a MERV.
		That had up to 10 multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicles.
		That means up to 10 U.S. cities.
		Bye-bye.
		But because of our treaties, we have been actually helping the Russians demilitarize the SSAT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crunch them up, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But, no, no.
		They're actually used now.
		The body is still made in Neparpetrovsk, where I went.
		The body is still used, and they now use it to launch U.S. satellites because our space shuttle is not dependable enough to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So it's an off-the-shelf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you actually, then, Ed, you went to that particular city, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I went to Nepar Petrovsky.
		It was a historic event for me.
		It felt like I was stepping back into the 1950s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I can ask you now, was that particular city, that Russian area, was that an area that you concentrated on a lot and had a lot of assignments?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Absolutely.
		It was a closed city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wonder you went there.
		I see.
		Okay, got it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wasn't just that.
		It was because it made the most deadly thing on Earth.
		And we were never able to really defeat that system if we wanted to.
		We weren't even able to adequately collect intelligence on it, not to mention put something together in terms of an anti-ballistic missile system that could defeat it.
		It was undefeatable, and it was the most deadly weapon on Earth.
		So it had a lot of meaning to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I bet it did.
		So what did you find on your visit to the Ukraine?
		Was it what you thought it would be?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have a lot of preconceived notions about the country itself, because my focus was on weapon systems there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I can understand your curiosity, though, about that which you were told to concentrate on for so long.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But the people in the city, I was really shocked to find out that they really Believed that the Cold War ended, and this is what they believed, that the Cold War ended because of that missile and not because of the economic collapse of the erstwhile Soviet Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
		So, in other words, instead of Ronald Reagan just outspent them and scared them to death, and we just wore them down, from their point of view, the SS-18 thing ended the Cold Wars.
		Just scared us so badly that we threw up our hands.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that was surprising to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they sell that to the general population there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They did.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's amazing, Ed.
		That's absolutely amazing.
		But I guess when I think about it, not a surprise.
		Every country, including ours, propagandizes its own citizens.
		I wonder if the whole prospect of nuclear full-out conflict just finally scared both sides so damn badly they agreed to get rid of a lot of it.
unidentified		I'm not a politico.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm an intelligence officer, so that's not my job, and my thoughts aren't along those lines.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But the people in the country were extremely friendly, extremely warm, extremely accepting, very poor.
		Their education, very educated, much more so than most Americans.
		But there are no jobs for college graduates.
		It's a new democracy, which is exciting, as you know.
		And as I got closer to the Russian border, however, and talked to Russians, I found that the Russians were very sarcastic in terms of the way they referred to Ukraine.
		I mean, most people in Ukraine speak Russian and not Ukrainian until you get over to Moldova and the Carpathians.
		So, and the Russian people were pretty bitter about giving up the breadbasket of the former...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet.
		Yes, I bet.
		Well, I made a visit many years earlier, Ed, to Russia.
		In fact, I had lunch in the Kremlin.
		And at that time, Russia was just in terrible condition.
		And I'm not sure that it's much better off now.
		You should have some word on that.
		But when I was there, it was pathetic.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty pathetic now, actually.
		Even though the people are very warm and friendly, the infrastructures are from, like, 1920s.
		The water only is turned on for two-thirds of the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I felt like I stepped back into the 1950s in terms of just being on the streets.
		But, and it's going to take them a while to progress economically.
		That's for sure.
		But I have to say, I had a good time.
		The streets are much safer than here in the...
		in the U.S. people are really warm and friendly there's some interesting observations high school kids walking around drinking beer after school was interesting to see but really but there's no rowdiness it's just part of their culture and I'll talk more about cultural differences when we discuss mind warfare tonight but yeah that's going to be a pretty serious topic tonight isn't it mind warfare I I went to Ukraine which is exactly 12,000
		miles away from my my islands here right through the center of the earth as far as you can go i went as a tourist but i'm going back uh...
		soon as a student i'm going to study russian in the city of odessa i've always wanted an excuse to study russian did you have many uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i know you speak fluent uh...
		what mandarin yes uh...
		um...
		did you have many conversations with russians and uh...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		ukrainians i had many conversations with them but in some parts of ukraine the only way i could communicate was with chinese students who were studying in ukraine because very few and in outside of the cities very very few people speak english did you ever drop on any of them in conversation that you were once an american spy yeah i told him the truth really how did that go down
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		and they pretended like they didn't hear me uh...
unidentified		i thought was interesting really uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know i can understand that because here in america if you encountered a russian and he told you he used to be a russian spy you'd kind of go whoa
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		so i i would imagine that's the equivalent sort of not speaking is oh whoa no i i think i i've i've talked to russ to to intelligence officers who spied on us and we've we've had good conversations and acknowledged each other's profession performer profession oh really
art bell ▲ ● ▼		my profession but not not in the U.S. government have you actually talked to people who were in the Russian mine spy unit I met my counterpart after the Cold War ended Ivan Zakhalov it says right here one of the things we're going to be privileged
		discuss with the major names this morning is an unclassified overview of the existing and emerging emerging threats now that of course i i guess means to america actually of course i don't know what it means um...
		and uh...
		what are you referring to are you referring to when you say threat are you referring to threat to america threat to the world threat of what kind uh...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		mind warfare threat to america we're going to be caught with our pants down um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		why do you say this and and and and if there's an unclassified portion to it that means there's probably a classified portion as well isn't there uh...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		i can tell you the topical nature of the classified areas and then you understand what what needs to be kept uh...
		uh...
		classified and sometimes proprietary okay try us or what we're talking about is the advent of mind warfare in the twenty first century and i've only i've only cursorily wrote the subject your share On your shows as a guest in the past.
		Most of the time, I've talked about the passive nature of intelligence collection using mind or remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And I think that this particular document that I'm about to refer to has been declassified for the most part.
		It's a 1970s, circa 1970s, mid-70s document that was issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency with some CIA input.
		It was a national intelligence estimate on foreign parapsychology R ⁇ D research and development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's out and about.
		Anyway, and I helped contribute to that.
		It anticipated that early in this century, now, there might possibly be a substantial breakthrough in the defense application of paranormal abilities.
		And I am telling you now that that assessment was correct, and we're going to get caught with our pants down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it based on, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was based on some sporadic and yet effective experiments on the part of both the Chinese and the Russians in parapsychology areas.
		Not merely remote viewing, but apparently they had some naturally gifted psychics in both countries that were doing things that we've talked about earlier on your shows in terms of Qigong masters being able to reach through glass jars, pull out threads, and those kinds of things.
		And also apportion, again, on the part of the Chinese children particularly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Apportation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Apportation, if you think of teleportation, you think of something being moved from one place to another in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The thing that is actually moved is called an apport.
		The term for the thing that is moved, that is teleported, the term is apport.
		And what we were looking at in China, for instance, at the time as an intelligence collection officer, were cases where both Qigong masters and certain children were able to disappear things and then recover them somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a human ability to cause something to disappear and reappear nearby?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, nearby.
		I'm going to talk more about this tonight.
		In fact, I'll slow down later and talk about it at length because it can get a little bit complex, and I don't want to lose the audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, in everything I'm going to say tonight, I just want your listeners to remember that we're talking about a trained ability here.
		In order to fight any war, you have to train to fight, and that includes a psy war.
		Without training, it doesn't work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, our military at our government would never do anything without training.
		I mean, that's like basic to anything they do.
		Any program they have has lots of training exercises involved in it.
		So that doesn't surprise me a bit.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		But anyway, in the future, I anticipate that more and more countries, in fact, quite soon will be jumping on this SIWAR bandwagon.
		The Indian press, I've noticed, in the last six months, has already stated that their government has an operating RV group that's had some successes against Pakistan, and that the group is modeled against the U.S. unit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Our remote viewing program was abandoned because it was politically incorrect.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		As I mentioned, I became keeper of the keys by default and out of personal interest, and also because I'm politically incorrect in many ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know you are.
		You know, it doesn't surprise me, really, after reading some about what our government has been doing, that I've always said, you know, if this works, if remote viewing actually works, then there's no way we cannot be using it now.
		And that would be conventional wisdom.
		However, there's nothing conventional about the way our government does things.
		It's insane.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was a real, this unit was a real hot potato, white elephant, and it was scary to people in leadership positions that had aspirations toward even higher positions.
		And on the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, it was also very attractive because in a town, Washington, D.C., where knowledge is power, wow, this was really a sexy thing.
		And so we became the whores, the red light district of the intelligence community.
		And that includes Senate Intelligence Committee as well.
		They wanted to use us under the cover of darkness, but didn't want anybody, their colleagues, to know what they were doing.
		So you can understand the position that we were in, especially as a professional intelligence officer.
		This was not kosher to me.
		But China, for example, being politically correct in China means something else.
		And that something else by no means precludes research and development on psych warfare potential.
		And I have been in China, and I will tell you that they don't even balk when they talk about these kinds of things at all.
		And they don't have to rely on the Western scientific method, which requires replicability, but also a theory.
		The Chinese could care less about a theory.
		They want replicability, and they want to weaponize that.
		So I'm watching the Chinese because it looks like they are developing a very viable offensive side program.
		And note the term offensive, not defensive.
		And to catch us off guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you imagine the capabilities of a mature Chinese unit might be I'm going to get into that in detail?
		Please, then.
		And apportion, I really want to get back to that.
		I mean, that's measurable.
		Has a case of apportation, the ability to move a solid object from one place to another, been heavily documented?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In China.
		Because it won't be documented here because it's a taboo subject, right?
		I mean, the Chinese, they haven't heard of Amazing Randy and the Skeptical Inquirer.
		Culturally, they have no problem training and using children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they don't even have the concept of a skeptic because they just don't work that way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Their culture accepts these kinds of things.
		And even children, they'll put children together as a group.
		Remember the movie Village of the Damned way back when?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you know, don't discount something like that happening because children, they're very happy and they're rewarded when they succeed.
		And you don't have to ask them to open their minds because it hasn't closed yet.
		So, you know, you may be looking at a global village of the damned here in terms of China.
		I'll get into that more in a moment.
		Because of our cultural conditioning, scientists don't even, except in laboratories where they haven't made much progress in terms of the metrics and the parameters.
		Even in the Princeton Anomalies Research Experiment, Dr. John, who you've had on your show, and Brenda Dunn, they had no way of evaluating what the dynamics and the mechanics of what was going on in that laboratory where they were attempting psychokinesis.
		With MIA work, with the Matrix Intelligence Agency work, and expert remote viewing, we can model the moments where PK was successful, and we have done that.
		And I'm going to be elaborating that tonight.
		That was formerly proprietary, but I'm going to let it loose tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me any idea, Ed, and everybody listening, in how many ways, again, you speak fluent Mandarin, in how many ways the Chinese personality, the Chinese mind, the Chinese culture differs from ours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it so different that we would not recognize most ways they think at all?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not like that.
		My only experience with another race other than my own like that is the red man.
		Having lived in New Mexico and had friends that were Apache and Navajo, it's been often said that the white man will never really be able to comprehend the mind of the red man.
		And I think to some degree that's true.
		Culturally, it's very, very difficult, even with my friends, to really understand them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to speak fluent Chinese, you must understand some of the Chinese mindset.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		It is not difficult for me to understand China.
		And that's why I've been watching them so closely in ways that are very different than ours in terms of cultural conditioning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was saying, that you would have to understand or be able to explain to us why, for example, they don't even blink.
		They don't have skeptic societies.
		They just accept.
		And that's very foreign to us.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you an example.
		Let me give you an example of an uphill battle that I faced in briefing the National Security Council and the White House as an intelligence officer.
		My uphill battles were also against the Under Secretary of Defense for Science and Technology and R ⁇ D. It's the not-invented hear syndrome, right?
		And here's a hypothetical example.
		The real ones are classified.
		Okay.
		Major Dames, of course I wasn't called back then.
		I was undercover and they didn't know who I was.
		Major Dames, we can't accept your intelligence assessment, which wasn't just mine.
		It was a major part of the intelligence community.
		Because I worked at the Office of Secretary of Defense level.
		Major Dames, we can't accept this because the Russians could not have a tactical battlefield laser weapon because we tried to build one and failed.
		Now I have to sit down and say, Mr. Vice President or so-and-so, there's a different philosophy in that country, a different culture.
		Dialectic materialism, for example, allows one to look at the world a different way than we do.
		And that results in a different educational structure, a different science, a different engineering approach, and a different technology.
		And that's why they had a Belltel laser and we don't.
		I had to do this every time because that's what we call the not-indented hear syndrome.
		Our scientists can't do it, so there's no way they could do it either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So therefore, it's impossible.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I face this problem time and again in selling or attempting to sell intelligence products to decision makers.
		Now, it can work the other way, too.
		When I retired from the military, first thing I did was respond to Vice President Dan Quayle's request to see if there were weapons of mass destruction in Kuwait.
		And I reported back that not only were there no weapons of mass destruction in Kuwait, but Iraq did not have them either.
		But that administration did not buy that report.
		So it works the other way as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll say.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		With regard to the threat that we face now, remember I asked you a few moments ago about the potential capabilities of a Chinese mature unit?
		What might they do, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me just tell you where we're at in terms of mind warfare right now.
		I mean, there's two aspects here.
		One is I'll call it the passive side.
		It's remote viewing.
		Scient is the psychic intelligence.
		You've got human intelligence signaling.
		All that.
		Scient is psychic intelligence.
		I see now that RV is becoming solely accepted into our culture.
		I mean, it's in video games now.
		In fact, the producer of a video game emailed me when it first came out asking me what I thought of their use of RV in a video game.
		A feature film now has, as you know.
		The same technologies that can be used on the battlefield can be adapted for use in the corporate and industrial world too.
		For instance, there's no laws that prevent any trained remote viewer from applying their skill in that area.
		I could go right into the mind of a Bill Gates and look at their most secret new project.
		That's industrial espionage or Business research, as the buzzword is.
		Remote viewing is a significant combat multiplier, so it offers advantages over an adversary or a competitor.
		In the military arena, however, the key applications areas are three: intelligence collection, and I've discussed that at great length on your show, establishing connectivity and getting in inaccessible places and describing what's there.
		Then you have a threat assessment, assessing the threat, the specifics, the detailed things about threats.
		And this attempting to preclude surprises on future battlefields or in commercial markets.
		That's what I've been doing with the Chinese, looking at the Chinese program just as I did the Russian program of extra sensors.
		That's what they were called when they existed.
		Then you have another key area, and that's using remote viewing for vulnerability assessment, one's own or others.
		Where are the holes in radar systems, porous systems, where are the penetration routes, the Achilles heel?
		Or if you're looking at people, if you're vetting and assessing, let's say, a potential agent to recruit, what are their weak points?
		How can they be co-opted?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's the passive side of the house.
		What I'm going to talk about tonight has never been discussed anywhere on any continent, and heretofore has been proprietary.
		And that is remote interference.
		And that is not, don't construe that with this hypothetical remote influencing, which does not exist.
		Somebody has been trying to sell the public a bill of goods.
		There's no such thing as remote influencing using a mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That means, in other words, let us say you want to influence the president of Russia.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it doesn't happen, but this thing called remote interference, whatever this turns out to be, can happen.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it can and it does and it is happening.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And that's why we better start looking for it on this side of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm all up for an explanation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is remote interference?
unidentified		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me just I do want to caveat what I just said about people not being able to influence.
		A team of trained remote viewers can actually, if a person is sleeping, a target individual is sleeping, or if a target individual happens to be in an altered state, a team of trained remote viewers can actually make their presence known in a dream state or in an altered state.
		But that's different than influence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you had somebody have a specific dream, for example, that dream might influence some decision they might make.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't influence their dreams.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You can just make your presence known in the dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, in the dream.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You can interfere with a person's dream state, and they'll know, they'll dream about you or a group of people, but you can't influence the direction of their waking mind using that state.
		This we know to be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but remote interference is different.
		Now, when I'm talking about remote interference, I'm not referring to these localized types of things where a Qigong master can do what I said he can do, or we're not talking about psychokinesis or telekinesis, the Geller effect, which is our sister science in remote viewing.
		What we've done using remote viewing is to model mind over matter at a distance, this spooky action.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mind over matter at a distance.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That is remote interference.
		And this is what remote interference is.
		It's against systems, material, material, not another mind, but material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean, for example, that there might be a foreign plane flying over some ocean, and that conceivably a group of Chinese people trained to do this could cause arguably,
		it's the most interesting thing that I've ever talked about on the air, in my opinion.
		This whole area, this ability of people to affect the weather systems, for example, with their minds, or the ability of Princeton to measure an event occurring in the mass mine before it ever occurs.
		All of this, the experiments they did with affecting random number generators, I mean, it's just all straight down my alley, and I have a feeling that's really what we're ultimately talking about here, this remote interference is somehow using the same conduits, Ed, that is suggestive of all this other ancillary evidence that there's something going on.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What we did at MIA is model it and streamline it and then try to understand what the Chinese were doing.
		And keep in mind that the Chinese do not really have expert remote viewers, so they may be able to affect this, but they don't understand the process.
		We understand the process now, but we have to train ourselves to be able to do it.
		So the shoe is on the other foot.
		But I'll walk you through what we know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		This remote interference effect, it influences the magnetic field around the target.
		We don't understand the linkage in terms of mind and the target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We know that the influence is at the magnetic field level.
		The effect, it acts at the atomic level, and mind is not altering the material, but it is somehow interfering with the electrostatic inertial forces at the atomic level.
		There's no permanent change.
		For instance, there's no degaussing effect of a magnet or a magnetic substance.
		Solid-state electronic materials are particularly affected.
		There is one pure element that I have to keep proprietary because we're using it in terms of the size switch development.
		One element in particular, pure element, that's very susceptible to this effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, size switch.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The CIA attempted to develop a size switch years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean a switch that could be thrown with the mind?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, exactly so.
		That's what we're talking about here.
		We're talking about mind over matter at a distance, and a size switch would be effectively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure would.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said it sure would.
		A size switch could be used.
		Oh, gee, you could blow up a bomb with a size switch.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You could indeed.
		You could indeed.
		Or transmit information, which was the original intent at CIA level for agents to be able to communicate.
		Because in those old days, getting caught with a telephone in your boot like Maxwell Smart was not only damning, it could be deadly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if an ICBM could be blown up.
		I wonder if a space shuttle could be blown up.
		I wonder if complex systems could be affected to that deadly degree.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk about this.
		I'll continue with this outline momentarily, but let me step aside.
		You might be interested to know that the Soviet extra sensor team, people on that team were actually placed aboard intelligence collection ships downrange from the Miniman missile test.
		So we would launch a missile for diagnostic purposes from Vandenberg Air Force Base, and downrange at Kwajalin Atoll would be our own diagnostic equipment.
		But the Soviets were there and ships monitoring the test, too, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And aboard those ships, sometimes, were individuals from the former Soviets' extra-sensor team, extra sensor issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they were attempting to influence the navigation systems aboard the satellites, but they did not know, I'm aboard the missile, but they didn't know what they were doing.
		And they lacked one thing, which I'm going to talk about in a moment.
		So they were not capable of doing what they wanted to do.
		All right.
		So devices with weak magnetic fields are particularly susceptible.
		So pacemakers, for instance, would be a good target.
		Or a clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or a clock, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Remember your clock instant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clearly.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The remote interference somehow weakens the magnetic field momentarily.
		Distances are irrelevant.
		They're totally irrelevant.
		So it could be a satellite way out there on the edges of our solar system or whatever.
		So there's two methodologies that we can employ as operators here.
		We can use a brute force mass attack, which is what I did with your audience against your clock one time.
		That's just a small example.
		But it must be effectively directed.
		It can't be chaotic.
		So you have to know how to direct that.
		And then there's the precision focused attack, which the Chinese are working on and may have already succeeded at doing.
		You have to hit the target in real time.
		You've perhaps heard the term retro PK where you're trying to influence in the laboratory.
		Dean Raden and others know about this effect, where apparently mind can influence something in the past and the effects can be seen now.
		That's a theory called retro psychokinesis.
		It doesn't work with this, with remote interference.
		You have to hit a target real time.
		Now, that's a precision-focused attack.
		The effect builds very slowly.
		It's not a spike or a pulse art.
		It builds up slowly to threshold observable value.
		All right.
		So in order to effectively do this, you must first acquire and connect with the target.
		So that's why you have to learn how to remote view, because remote viewing effectively does that.
		You acquire the target and you hold it.
		You've got a good strong connection.
		And then you have to disturb the system dynamic.
		And that's the trick.
		So the one half is acquiring your target and holding that connection and then not injecting information, but disturbing the target's equilibrium.
		And the way to do that is targets are really processes.
		If you take a thing, for instance, your own body or a telephone, it's really a process.
		It has a beginning and an end.
		It's decaying.
		It's a system that's entropic in nature.
		So we're really attacking a system.
		We're attacking a dynamic process, not a thing.
		That's important to understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's a process you're attacking.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, the way to attack, to disturb the process is still proprietary, but I'm going to give you a clue.
		I'm going to give your listeners a clue, and they'll be able to figure this out.
		Once you acquire and hold the target using remote viewing, if you've effectively mastered that.
		Yes.
		All right.
		Here's the hint.
		Sometimes thinking outside of the box is not enough because thinking itself is itself a box.
		So in other words, there are things in this universe that can't be understood by thought, only by feeling.
		No thought at all.
		The feeling has, you have to be able to understand things using only feeling.
		Okay?
		So what I'm suggesting to you is that once you lock on using your mind, that there is another modality that has to come into play to disturb the process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The projection of some kind of feeling?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying that's no classified?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's proprietary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proprietary.
		The next agency.
		I see.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Because we want to patent the size switch.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And we also want to interfere with, in terms of countermeasures, we would like to be able to interfere with those guys, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, I want to know something about those guys.
		How far ahead of us in this area are the Chinese?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Probably 15 years, unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15 years?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In terms of remote interference, but they're 15 years behind MIA in terms of expert remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, there's some cards on the table here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask again: what would be a typical current capability of the Chinese team to interfere with something?
		Give me an example of what could actually be done.
		You said a navigation system would be...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Any non-redundant, critical, delicate system.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter if they're Faraday shielded or not because mine doesn't care about Faraday shields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's operating at frequencies we don't know about yet.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Sort of.
		Yeah, yeah.
		But another thing to do is to introduce gremlins into U.S. research, development, test, and evaluation phases of a system.
		Let's say we're trying to develop a widget, a classifier widget, or maybe we're trying to develop a new type of navigation system.
		If you can spy on the U.S. and see where this work is being done, if during the test and evaluation phase you start pinging using this remote interference work, you ping periodically the test phase.
		Sort of.
		But what you're doing is you're interfering with the test results.
		And so the tests last longer or the test agency may think that the product under evaluation is not working.
		Because it's a very critical moment when you're testing these things because you don't even have a prototype yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're looking for the initial way something is going to react.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And doesn't our vice president have a pacemaker?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		He sure does.
		He sure does.
		Ed, is this wrap around into the quantum world somehow?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This mind field that we're in, I like to think of it as a single dimension and working somehow in what I've called in the past a pre-quantum field, pre-quantum, or some place that exists prior to light.
		But that's just a layman's terms.
		And I'm a layman.
		I'm a science manager, but not a scientist.
		It's a layman's term for attempting to cope with the linkage between mind and matter, which I do not understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, scientists don't understand the linkage between, I don't know, like two cells that have been proven to react the same way, that came from the same body now on opposite sides of the world.
		They can't explain how that communication occurs, but they know for a fact that it...
		You can.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Because that was part of the old Cleve Baxter size switch experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's because of symmetry, art.
		Symmetry.
		That's why twins, they have identical DNA.
		And DNA, think of DNA as a crystal in any radio oscillator or transmitter that you have.
		The crystal is cut force to vibrate at a specific frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct, yes, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you look at DNA as a crystal, if you have two sets of DNA that are identical, you ping one and the other...
		There's no difference between them.
		So they all react at the same time.
		And I'm not talking about electromagnetically.
		The symmetry is a scalar effect.
		You tweak one, mind sees all those other things as the same, archetypically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I can't get my mind around this, Ed.
		Somehow, there is a communication going on that has to go past symmetry.
		Symmetry is, I understand the definition of symmetry.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happens is that the symmetric devices or the symmetric things are the same, and whatever you do to one pings the other, and there's an effect that's observable on the other end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're tossing around the word ping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ping implies, as it would on a computer, pinging a certain address, for example, and then getting a return of how many milliseconds it took to do that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean that way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Then I should not be using that analogy because it's not quite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it does imply a communication.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely, yeah.
		And in fact, the communication, for all intents and purposes, is you don't need encryption because unless you have that particular crystal or that particular set of DNA, whether it's from a defimbakia plant or your cat or anything, if you don't have that particular DNA, you don't have the operating frequency of this particular type of system.
		So that means if I want to incorporate this type of crystal, let's say, this type of symmetry into a size switch, if I take some of your blood cells or scrapings from the inside of your mouth and I grow those in a Petri dish, if I take the two Petri dishes and I hook them up, I put a small voltage across them, right, and I separate them on two sides of the wall, whatever I do to one is instantly recognized on the other side because of the symmetry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the symmetry.
		But that doesn't explain still the mode of communication.
		We can't measure the frequency.
		We know it goes faster than light, but we don't understand how it moves.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's why I call it pre-quantum, because somewhere underneath the quantum effects, at least quantum effects can be observed these days.
		This can't yet.
		Again, I like to think of it as a single...
		It's unitary.
		You don't have your own mind.
		You have your own brain.
		But mind, your brain is immersed as an oscillator in this mind field.
		Mind is real, but it's a monad.
		It's a single thing.
		And we're immersed in this.
		Our brains are.
		And we can operate in it, in the field.
		But it exists as a single dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big a program do you think the Chinese have yet?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think it's still relatively small.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I know there's only one major officer in the People's Liberation Army that is in charge of this now.
unidentified		He's very serious about his work.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they are using children as well.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Young children, they're training them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're using children.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're using children As well as adults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I can understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A child's mind has not yet been taught to close any doors, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what makes the use of the child so agreeable?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's one thing, yeah, and they're so easily trained and they adapt so quickly to this because it's not like swimming or mountain climbing or whatever.
		So a child doesn't have to be physically in shape to do this or an Olympic candidate.
		They just need to be open-minded, and they already are.
		So they're easily malleable.
		I've taught many children remote viewing, and again, they cut right up to it as long as you don't have to explain theory to them where you put them to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about the use of children by the Chinese?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't see any moral or ethical problem with teaching a child remote viewing or remote influencing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I just have the moral and the ethical problems of using them for war fighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, like remote interference, like somebody's pacemaker suddenly starting to go on the fritz.
		Correct.
		And you're saying they're using children, you think, for that kind of thing in China?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
		But they're still in the test and evaluation stage, and they're developing the parameters and the metrics, which we could not do, the degrees, the measurable degrees of effect as a group.
		And then the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
		A group is very, very powerful.
unidentified		Very powerful.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And you get a group of children who are directing their minds, who have been taught to be coherent and direct their focus against the target, and you taught them how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe it or not, it's as powerful as any A. I tend toward believing it, Ed.
		I do.
		Just from the experiments I've done, the other things that I have found out that are true that I really have a hard time, I guess, grasping in my mind, but I've seen this stuff work, so what you're saying seems logical, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and where it's going to bite us in the dairy era is we're going to start to see things that make no sense but have an impact.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And there'll be no way to trace that or establish connectivity except using remote viewers back to its source, which is going to be China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're saying these things...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will be so much as magic to us that we'll just put it off to unhappy circumstance when something goes very wrong.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Gremlins, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Murphy.
		Murphy is frequently used to explain things that just go wrong.
		Murphy is always around.
		And Murphy's an easy write-off, but you're saying that we're going to see a lot of Murphy.
		I have a laptop which has served me well for several years.
		And the other day, I noticed the screen was frozen.
		And I listened carefully.
		And the little disk drive was going about like that.
		And I thought, oh, God, another disk drive.
		And so I replaced the disk drive and, believe it or not, revived the machine with a new operating system.
		But that's Murphy.
		That's Murphy at work.
		And what I should have said, obviously, was when that happened, I just said, damn Chinese.
		Just to be certain that I'm sort of on the right track here, even though I gave a comical example.
		Perhaps, Ed, that's the kind of thing that you're talking about with remote interference, aren't you?
		I mean, for example, let's just say the ability to damage a very important hard drive in a very important place containing very important information.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I would go after the operating system, though, and not your hard drive.
		It's a softer target.
		No, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not the only one to have said that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because the drive has a rather strong magnetic motor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And it's a harder target.
		In fact, I'm not sure at this juncture if that could be done.
		But certainly the magnetic fields around the transistors in your operating system chip are a very nice target indeed.
		In fact, I could do that myself.
		Want to see?
		No, just kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		No, I don't.
		I've already had enough grief and heartache this week with a little hard drive.
		Thank you very much.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of grief, I've got messages from some of my online students who are concerned that my trips back to Ukraine to study Russian, that I won't be available to teach online.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I just want to make sure they understand because of the beauty of the Internet, I'm still going to be teaching while I'm studying, even though I'm away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as Rush would say, it matters not where you are.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Indeed, that's true.
		So you'll continue teaching online?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I will continue, yes.
		For the people that order my DVD, LearnRV series, they don't have to worry.
		I will always be there just as I am today and will be tomorrow.
		That's my primary job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a very dynamic individual, that's for sure.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I love to teach.
		It's my primary role as an educator, and it's my business as well.
		And I like my job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can explain something to me, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Healers, you know, these people who claim that with their mind that they can diagnose and then actually heal an organ or a malady in another human being?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Most of the time, it's bogus from my experience, but there are a couple of people I know that have actually been managed to pull this off time and again, and I do not understand the dynamic there.
		You know, Pele, the famous soccer star who retired because he hit the top.
		There's nowhere else to go.
		He's the Nicky Mantle of football worldwide.
		He retired in Brazil, and after a couple of years, the press got hold of an interesting story and ran to see if it was true, and it was true.
		He had nothing to do in his retirement and was visiting kids in the hospital, kids that were terminally ill.
		And he just went in to pay him a visit and sign his name, autographed soccer balls and give those to the kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Kids were walking out of the hospital a couple of weeks later.
		These were incurable cancers, leukemias, and things like that.
		And the press found out about it.
		And they approached him.
		And he said, yeah, it's true.
		And the press asked him, how is this happening?
		And his response was, I don't know.
		The only thing I can attribute it to is the fact that I have more time to be with God now that I've retired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's remarkable, Ed.
		Pele, sure.
		He is the world star all-time of soccer.
		Absolutely no question about it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But this was not just a one-time thing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It happened over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when did this news break?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		About four years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't break to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is my first hearing of it, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		He didn't want to spread that around.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But you can search the internet and find out about that too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So how is that happening?
		I don't know.
		If we modeled it, I think in those cases, we're probably dealing with extracurricular agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		Angels?
		I don't know.
		Maybe.
		Angels is a word.
		I don't know.
		I just know that there is something now to this power of the human mind.
		Certainly I haven't come anywhere near proving to myself that people can heal other people at a distance or even right next to each other, for that matter.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have a new research project, and for me, it's very unlike Dr. Doom, but it's a project I'm doing with a couple of my team members who are interested in.
		It's optimizing the quality of life.
		And this time, instead of just attacking health problems, for instance, in a person or an animal, this time it's looking at the modeling or actually researching and determining what might be factors that we do not know about that would increase health and longevity.
		My concentration has always been on problems, whether it's multiple sclerosis or rheumatoid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But what really is the best human diet?
		Is there a general diet, for instance?
		How do we tailor this for an individual?
		Tailor an individual.
		What are the enhancers that would enhance health and longevity?
		Is there perhaps something that can restore youth or anti-aging and longevity enhancers?
		That kind of stuff.
		It may not necessarily be substances, but we're going to start that project, and that's a fun project as well as pretty valuable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		That's very unish.
		Doomish, yes, very undoomish of you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		People change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually not.
		But so we'll see if it works.
		So increasing the quality of life and even the extension of life?
		You envision that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to see if because it's just all been hit and miss.
		Remember when you and I grew up with the food pyramid with all that stuff on it?
		And we just accepted that because people said that's what you have to eat to stay healthy.
		We don't know what we have to eat to stay healthy.
		I mean, nobody really does.
		It's all been trial and error and whatever's out there to eat.
		But are there factors, natural factors, enhancers that can be easy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think yes, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I would think yes, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I also think that probably they're going to turn out to be things that are completely undigestible.
		Yes.
		Like lima beans.
		It's going to turn out to be something awful.
		I mean, for me, it's lima beans.
		We all have our own private horror.
		But something that's just completely indigestible.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, nothing ventured, nothing gain.
		I have already started this, and there are a couple of things that are very interesting, but I do not know if they have to be ingested along with another substance and act synergistically, or if they're a single enhancer.
		So we'll find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if we found out we could all get another hundred years of life if we just went outside, gathered, and ate as many crickets as we could?
		You know, whatever it is, it's going to turn out to be awful.
		I just know it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, Jiminy Cricket, I'm no fool, no Serena.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to live the honor of the Freudian slipped it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		Anyway, I wish you luck in that arena.
		People want to know certain things when you're on the air.
		One of them, chiefly, naturally, without question, you have a website called killshot.com, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's one of my websites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My primary website.
		Yes, but still you have one.
		And it's worried people, Ed.
		The shot over the bow, you said no, you said no, you said no when I mentioned something.
		and then one time we had a monster, a true monster.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Which I predicted six weeks in advance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was a true monster.
		And you said, yes, Art, finally.
		That's the shot across the bow.
		Now, the next one up is the kill shot.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The kill shot is a series of solar flares that heats up the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's what we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People want to know when, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The hardest thing in remote viewing, they want to know when.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The closest we can get is, as I mentioned before, and I mentioned in the Kill Shot DVD itself, is when a space shuttle, a U.S. space shuttle, is forced down by a meteor shower, that is as close as that's the beginning of the end in terms of you have no idea how many people have taken this to heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of them talk about this, Ed.
		It's strange, Liso, in fact.
		So many have called and reminded me of what you said about that, as if they're anticipating it, as though they believe that will occur, that a space shuttle will come down because of meteors.
		Not necessarily hit by one, but perhaps afraid of forecast.
		Correct.
		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's as close as we've been able to come, which is close enough, because we were looking at the nearest recognizable preceding event to the series of serious solar flares.
		The history that solar physicists have and geophysicists have of the Earth of it's in fact I emailed you something the other day.
		There was an unprecedented proton storm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It said this is a kind of storm that we've never ever had in recorded history before.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the problem.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We keep basing our stuff and extrapolating forward on recorded history, and that doesn't allow any room for unprecedented events, which occur all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, bearing in mind, recorded history, folks, is actually really, really a tiny, tiny little bit of history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Recorded history is tiny.
unidentified		So it doesn't mean that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the sun obviously is capable of many things that they're not aware of, and the kill shot apparently one of them, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a serious, it's probably the most serious thing either using remote viewing, expert remote viewing, as an over-the-horizon radar, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to remind people, Ed, the shot over the bow was reported by scientists as one that pegged the needle on the spacecraft that recorded this kind of thing.
		It pegged the needle.
		In other words, scientists in their wildest dreams never dreamed that there could be an explosion on the Sun as big as there was.
		It just went beyond the ability of the instruments to even measure it.
		They had to end up guessing that it was a X30 or 48, or they had no idea it was immensely strong, stronger than in all of recorded history.
		Here we are again, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was a mega flare, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A mega flare, yes, of a size they didn't think could even happen.
		So you're right about that.
		They don't know much with regard to recorded history.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But as remote viewers, if you do turn your attention to things that are not as mundane as the Chinese psychic warfare program or what herbs to eat to ameliorate the conditions of, let's say, rheumatoid arthritis, if you look further ahead and you look big and strategic, there's some really grim things on the horizon.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And even Dr. Doom here doesn't want to go into those tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, grim before the big event that's going to take out so many people on Earth, so much of that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm talking about, this series of atmospheric heating flares that we've been seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's such a worrisome forecast.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's very worrisome indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time scale, Ed, when might we start seeing flares of the magnitude you're talking about?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's see, the shuttle, we've got a shuttle launch soon, and the shuttle series is almost obsolete, so they're not going to be in the inventory much longer, perhaps maximum of four years is my guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely true.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think we're pretty close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a very good point.
		I'm going to double-town tonight.
		Yeah, it's a very good point.
		We're not going to be flying shuttles very much longer, are we?
		Everybody knows that.
		They virtually announced the end of the program.
		I'm frankly surprised we're still using them and haven't come up with something else.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's what the old SS-18 is doing now.
		It's launching because the shuttle can.
		It's launching our satellites for us.
		The booster is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really are absolutely right.
		And what you're saying is going to happen then is going to happen in the limited life of the shuttle yet.
		And so that means pretty soon within the next few years even.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What should people do if your predictions begin to come true and we start getting hit with a series of life-threatening flares, which I don't consider to be impossible at all, by the way?
		What would you say to people?
		How would you counsel people?
		What do they do, Ed, to be safe?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard call because you're talking about the entire earth like a rotisserie being heated up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try another.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Using remote viewing, for instance, what I've done is look for sanctuaries.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In fact, many of my students.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm asking about, Ed.
unidentified		What are you going to do?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I can get to a sanctuary in time, which I probably will be able to do, you have to know where they're at.
		Then I will probably do that.
		If I can't, then I can't.
		But I'd rather be, and in that case, I'd rather be as close to my loved ones as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you know how short a warning period you've got for a flare of the magnitude you're talking about?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It isn't just that.
		It's the idea that it's not protons necessarily coming down to the deck.
		It's the atmosphere heating up pretty rapidly to the point where lots of water sources dry up and crops fail quickly.
		So, I mean, you've got time to go places, but the places that you go to have to have a Supply of fresh water, and you've got to have some food.
		And it may be that protons come down to the deck, and then you're in big trouble because you're going to fry as well as the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about caves?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, caves would work, and any subway systems would work, things like that.
		But you still have to have fresh water and a couple weeks' supply of food to sit that out.
		And then we're not talking about the whole earth being affected, too.
		We're talking about belts.
		In the Kill Shot DVD, and I've mentioned on your show that interestingly, the areas that are eminently survivable appear to be those areas where the concentration of crop circles has been over the last 20 years.
		That's north of, I think, 48 degrees or 50 degrees, something like that.
		It's in a belt, a band that stretches pretty far from North America across through Eastern Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in North America is this belt?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The belt's probably a little bit north of, I'd say, the border between North and South Dakota, north all the way up through into central Alberta, Saskatchewan, that belt there across the British Isles into Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And partially Scandinavia and Europe.
		Wherever crop circles have been laid down, it turns out that the circles have no meaning.
		It's the place that has a meaning.
		Something out there is saying here, these are survivable spots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I cover that in my DVD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you happen to cover in your DVD how to discern between a real crop circle and something a bunch of college kids did?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, no, no.
		I figure I leave that up to people to do.
		the ones that the college kids do don't have the effects on the stock.
		I mean, Linda Moulton Howell is quite...
		Oh, yes.
		She can tell you probably as well as anybody else what to look for in terms of determining whether Fred and Joe stomp this down at night with their buddies or whether crop circles are marking safe places.
		Yes, essentially they are.
		They're marking bands predominantly that are survivable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Whatever you may think of Major Ed Dames, fact is long before it happened, and what I'm referring to is this sun flare that scientists said can't be.
		It just, it's never happened.
		It's astoundingly large, larger than in our wildest imagination, because you see, they had to launch the equipment that would monitor the sun.
		And so in their wildest imagination, they never imagined a flare that could be so much bigger than anything they had ever previously measured that their equipment was no good.
		He called it.
		He did call it.
		And here he is, Major Ed Dames.
		I always want to give you an opportunity to plug whatever you're doing.
		You come here and pay us a visit, and I can pay you back this way.
		I know you've got an RV course.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I love to teach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how do people get involved?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a phone number or something, or what can they order?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There are live operators if they need them, or they can order my DVD set.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's a very effective set.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got live operators at this hour?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's like 411 on the East Coast, you know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I make sure that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what can they order?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They can order my complete DVD set at learnrv.com, or they can call the following number.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Total-free, 1-866-607-8439.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		8439.
		1-866-607-8439.
		And they get a complete RV course.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Or they can just order the first DVD if they want to just test the waters.
		But it's cheaper to order the whole set.
		Also, there was a caller earlier in your show that asked about a lottery DVD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They can go to RVLottery.com and look at that.
		But if they really want to see the payoff, they go into my community forum, which is at LearnRV.com.
		They can see my team members actual winning tickets for the last few months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, this impresses me, Ed.
		Of course, you know, if you can teach somebody to actually hit the lottery numbers, now you've done something real serious.
		And you know what I was thinking, Ed, and maybe you can answer this.
		If you heard the first hour, then you heard me think it out loud.
		If you taught enough people to hit the lottery, the lottery couldn't exist.
		So that must mean that, what, people keep their mouths shut about it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, beyond three numbers, the tickets that you see, actually we have a couple of winning sports tickets there, too.
		You can teach.
		These are pretty easy to do.
		But beyond three numbers, it gets more difficult.
		My business partner, my friend, Brent Miller, wants to break the bank in one state.
		I'm not going to mention the state.
		Now, this is boring for me, because I don't need anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's boring to me.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said it's not boring to me.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Yeah, I understand.
		But he wants to break the bank at a particular state.
		And I said, if you do that, they'll never have another lottery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there's one particular state that doesn't have any limits.
		It doesn't have any call.
		You know what I mean?
		It hasn't provided a backstop for them to pull out.
		So you can...
		He wants to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe he's going to do it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen him do it many times in many other places.
		He'll need about two weeks straight to pull this off.
		And right now, he's too busy with my stuff to take I'm not going to give him two weeks off.
		So he's going to have to wait till I go back to Ukraine and sneak one in.
		But this is kind of a joke in-house.
		I don't like my team members doing this, and yet they slip them in once in a while.
		So if you want to actually see the winning lottery tickets, they're posted in the forum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that, of course, appeals to, I don't know, certain nature in people.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's fun.
		It's fun.
		I mean, when you first do it, remote viewing is fun, too.
		It's an adventure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But your view, then, does match mine, that at least so far, until your friend carries out his threatened action, that people have been doing it, but keeping basically their mouths shut.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Except for my team members, because I like for my team members to be teachers, too.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And I like for them to actually show, you know, the strut their stuff and walk the talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how could you resist not displaying the fruits of their efforts?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm very proud of my students, so I tolerate that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right, Here they come.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, um, I had a question.
unidentified		Uh, you said earlier that you could target operating systems, correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Uh, what I was specifically referring to are the transistors and chips within uh computers, yes.
unidentified		And you can do that at any time and at any distance?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		So, uh, I just happen to have uh uh a laptop here right next to me.
unidentified		Would you be able to target it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're offering your laptop up as a sacrificial lamb, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, what kind of laptop is it?
unidentified		It's a HP Pavilion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's expensive.
		Are you really sure you want to?
		Oh, really?
unidentified		Windows XP Home Edition because the operating system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, he's even telling you what the operating system is, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you located, Color?
unidentified		Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indiana.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And let's have your address.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We don't need that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call your social security number.
		No, I'm just kidding.
		Well, you know what?
		Could you do it, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We don't even need his name or his location or whatever.
		What we do is we take, because there's already a chain of custody from my mind to the caller.
		So my unconscious knows what knows the caller, so I can refer to the laptop he's referring to.
		I use that as my remote viewing target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you're giving permission for it to be destroyed, right, Caller?
unidentified		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It would take me 40 minutes to achieve lock-on, to make sure lock-on, and then probably another 15 to start the effect rolling.
		I would use two other viewers in tandem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do it.
		Let's do it, Ed.
		You don't even have to do it right now.
		I'll give you, I don't know, I'll give you a week.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		His?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His laptop, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you mind killing his laptop?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't mind at all, but I would rather take something where we make sure that we have an observable effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, about that.
		This caller is going to be honest as the day is long, right, Caller?
		Yes.
		If you suffer a sudden catastrophic failure, you would report that to me, wouldn't you?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		I mean, what would that consist of?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, a blue screen or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, we're talking about a total disabling, crushing blow.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, not necessarily.
		If the operating system can recover, again, we're talking about a momentary clock loss where if the system can recover, the system can recover.
		But we would attack probably the clock and or the operating system itself.
		What that means is slowing down the magnetic field.
		So the computer would not work during the time we did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You willing to give it a try?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Am I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not, because I have other things to do.
		But I'm saying that's what we would do.
		That's how we would handle that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, somebody else out there with talent listening this morning, this man has just given permission for his computer to be destroyed.
		And so get him, guys.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But don't do Larry King's Facemaker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, do me a favor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do me a favor and report back to me the health of your operating system within the next week or so.
unidentified		Yeah, sure will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good day, and thank you very much for calling and offering that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi, this is another Ed from the Center of the Oregon Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed and Ed, okay.
unidentified		That's right.
		And Art, you know, I appreciate it.
		I'm an insomniac.
		I have a seizure disorder, brain damage in the right front part of my brain, and you're a good man.
		Thank you.
		Two-part question.
		Number one, does Ed possibly, can he see what government agents listen to your show nightly and take notes and monitor everything?
		And number two, in regards to the Petri dish incident, cosmic energy, the universal energy passing through us even now as a conduit for said test?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what cosmic energy is.
unidentified		Well, the energy that's passing through us right now as we sit here.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's lots of energy.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's RFA as your local TV station.
unidentified		Well, the energy coming from the universe.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Coming from the universe.
		Well, let's see.
		You're part of the universe, too, so you're emanating energy.
		Is that what you're seeing?
unidentified		Well, there's energy all around us, and it's coming from the universe, you could say.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what was the question again, caller?
unidentified		I'm just wondering if that possibly could be the conduit for all, well, the distance between the two Petri dishes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		For me, anything's possible.
		I'm seeing lots of strange things.
		Anything is possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But there is a conduit.
		There is a communication.
		It's happening somehow.
		More than just the coincidence of the shape or something or the symmetry of the object.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't even understand the life force.
		I mean, how is that connected to, how do you turn life on?
		So I don't want to know all the answers.
		I'm a simple man.
		I'd shoot myself if I knew all the answers.
		It takes a fun out of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		You're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
		Hello?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I'm sorry.
		Yes, I had some questions just about what advice you would have for young recruits.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about students of mine?
unidentified		Maybe possibly students are even working for the government or something like that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Our government does not utilize PSYOPS anymore.
		It's utilized in video games by the Matrix Intelligence Agency.
		That's it.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		So then working for you, what advice would you have?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it takes about three months to learn the basics of remote viewing, another three months to get good at it, and then about a year of practice against very, very difficult and complex systems to start to become good.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So I wouldn't even consider hiring anyone until that point.
unidentified		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If you want to learn more, just go to learnrv.com and talk to the professionals there.
		They'd be glad to talk to you about that.
		My team members.
unidentified		And then for personal, I guess, experiences or personal training or whatever, like your own explorations of it, would you advise using different emotions like love or even certain, I don't know, not even like numbers or something like that to kind of lock on to use as almost energy drivers?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		It's all rigorous and disciplined and standardized, and those techniques are.
		You can download those right now.
		I've got them on my website.
		You can see exactly.
		You can download the manual, the guide to learn RVDVDs, and you'll see how we acquire a target.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how about the occasional savant in this area?
		Natural psychics.
		Very natural psychics, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was the natural psychics that we used in the Department of Defense to model this and turn it into a teachable skill.
		So when I teach them, as I've mentioned before on past shows, when I teach a natural, then they can produce for a given period of time, let's say an hour, twice as much detail as someone like me could produce who is not a natural.
		I'd have to do twice, I could still solve a problem in an hour, but I would not have as much detail as somebody who's naturally talented.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would suppose that part of your job would be sort of an indescribable attempt or ability to manage gifted people.
		And that's not an easy job.
		I mean, to keep them focused and to sort of get into their mind.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think you actually, that's, I don't know, you must be pretty perspicacious because, yes, in fact, I had that problem this week with somebody who knows who she is, a DVD student, and that's exactly the problem.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They have to be managed because they produce so much data that they begin to lose the forest for the trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see that would be your job.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Oh, hi, Ed.
		This is Tom in San Diego.
		You had mentioned California and China, so I had two questions.
		When are you coming back to San Diego?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I grew up in San Diego.
		I'm moving back to California from the islands.
		I've been in next week, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		Yeah, I took your class down here.
		I loved it.
		My question was about China.
		You mentioned that children were being trained, and I was wondering if you've ever associated with some Montessori schools or some alternate education systems or even some prisons.
		I think children, you're right, are more open-minded, but prisons are a captive audience to see if you can get some positive results out of those groups.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hey, the military was a captive audience.
		These guys had to do whatever I wanted.
		So yes, I've dealt with captive audiences before.
		Sergeant Riley, sit down, put your pen on the paper, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, caller, you're obviously one of bad students, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		May I ask you, not planned, I just want to ask you, with your skill, how has it worked out?
		I mean, how did you do in class?
		And what are you doing with it now?
unidentified		Well, I found that, you know, I'm an engineer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I work with, you know, 40,000 different part numbers and so forth.
		And I'm a little too analytical to get out of my brain.
		I don't find that I have the patience to practice.
		And so use it or lose it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you, when you were in the course, did you get to the point, Caller, where you absolutely believed that what was being taught was as real as breathing?
unidentified		Yes, I got a sense that the group could accomplish something.
		And in fact, it had something to do with large tidal wave type of action.
		And I'd say seven out of ten were pretty much on target, and I was 50% of the way there by the end of the first day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite remote.
unidentified		I have a question for you, Art.
		Years ago, you said you never wanted to learn this because there's some things you just don't want to know.
		Have you changed your mind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not.
		I appreciate your question.
		The answer is no, I have not.
		I think that this ability is real.
		I guess I've thought that for a very long time now.
		It is real.
		But no, I don't want to know.
		There are some things, even many things, about the future that I don't want to know.
		I don't know why I don't want to know them, but I don't.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm the same way.
		I mean, let's take love life, for instance, or that kind of thing.
		I don't want to look at that.
		If I'm in a relationship, for instance, I don't want to know if that relationship's going to fail.
		No, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let it be a surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Who wants to know that kind of stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		I mean, the moment you knew, it would sour it from then on.
		So really, that information is very harmful to your immediate well-being.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or maybe I'm just a coward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe me too.
		In other words, I know I'm going to die.
		I'd rather not know the hour and the circumstance.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Nor would you want to know if your loved ones were going to be hurt or in an accident or those kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I am right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for the reasons that you and I are just talking about right now, we're unselling your product.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
		That's okay.
		I'd rather go with the truth than the products.
		Of course, my marketing agents are going to go through the roof on that one, but they know who I am.
		They know what I'm doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, lottery numbers are good.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people have a lot of fun with that.
		When I first taught people how to do that, I had to discover the process, too, and then I teach that process on the RV lottery DVD was actually produced by my students.
		I didn't want any part of it.
		I just liked it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was produced by my students.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They got so enthusiastic by it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, very enthusiastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can understand that enthusiasm.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I really can.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		When they win money, a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot and a lot of money.
		No question about it.
		Sure.
		So if anybody did it, I'm sure they're just an absolute believer right now, aren't they?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're happier than the pig and you know what?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They're very happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to pause here.
		many, many more questions.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Major Ed Dames.
		Major Dames, I just said something that I really do feel.
		This stuff coming out of Princeton is beginning to get overwhelming, and from other sources, and scientists and people that I talk to, you know, legitimate theoretical physicists, they're all beginning to kind of cozy up together to this same concept, this same idea of the power of the mind.
		It's beginning to come from other sources now, therefore.
		I think that the wider public, general public consciousness, is about to get invaded with this.
		I think it's going to be in the mainstream press soon on a regular basis.
		What do you think?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think it will be a good thing.
		It will be the first time in probably the last 35 years that this thing that we call the unconscious part of our minds will finally be looked at anew as something that is important.
		When unconscious was first suggested as an entity by the likes of Carl Jung, it was poo-pooed as, well, since we can't understand it, it probably isn't important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but see, it's getting to the point where, understand it or not, we're beginning to get to where we can prove it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In my business, we know that consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg, and that the unconscious holds and stores and acts and reacts in ways that far surpass the capacity of conscious awareness.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's what we believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're way ahead of me there, but it does look like a lot of this that you talk about as the basis of what you talk about is getting ready to be kind of general public knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Something happened really strange about a week ago to my boyfriend, and I wonder if it's related to what you've been talking about.
		My first thought when I found out what it was was there was some type of psychic or technology that was used to do this.
		He has a truck that has three seats in the front, a center part, the back of the seat folds down.
		It was folded down.
		He went to get gas for his car, didn't have any pockets, so he put the credit card on that center seat.
		When he got to the gas station, he hadn't got out of the car yet.
		The windows were rolled up.
		He went to reach for the credit card, and he could see a hand, like a transparent hand, where he could see the credit card through the hand.
		And it just whipped the credit card back just like a vacuum so fast, you know, it just was almost instant.
		He lifted up the back of the seat.
		There was nothing there.
		Totally freaked out, came back home, got me.
		We started going through the truck.
		We went through the small area behind the seats.
		There was like one of the windshield visors that you put up, folded up back there.
		He pulled that up on the floor of the cab, up against the back wall, underneath this sun visor, was the credit card.
		Almost like an attempt to take it had happened, but it didn't quite go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so then remote interference.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's an act of apportation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apportation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's apportionation that worked.
		But that would have spooked the heck out of me, too.
		But that's what I mean by apportation.
		When something disappears right in front of your eyes and pops up somewhere else, usually you have to look for it and it's in the local area.
		That's an act of apportation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think there will be more and more of this kind of thing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'd have to remote view it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		I understand.
		Nevertheless, the fact that it is now being done means that Murphy is going to make his way on more than usual rounds.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think Murphy's operating.
		I think the Earth is going through some changes here.
		And I don't understand them, but I think we're in for Mr. Toad's wild ride.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Happy 6-0 Art from Sedona, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Hey, Major James, a comment quickly about the fall of the Soviet Union, and then I'd like to ask a question concerning China.
		Your mentor, Ingo Swann, and his coherency theory of consciousness to make positive changes, well, I see that in the world of music.
		For example, a Russian sociologialist and author, Artomi Trotsky, said, the Beatles have done more for the fall of communism than any other Western institution.
		And then watching this DVD, Paul McCartney in Red Square, just today before 100,000 Russians, including President Putin in 2003, confirms it for me.
		Because the DVD has interviews of Russians within this program, and they talk about this coherent nature of this music in the 60s and 70s that sort of instilled this sense of real freedom in millions of people to where this communistic propaganda fell flat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating, and it may be right, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know enough about the subject, nor have I studied anything in terms of the sociological impact to really be able to comment intelligently on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I think it's a fascinating concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, what about China?
unidentified		Well, why would China want to upset such a large market as the USA for their economy and buying our treasury notes in favor of remote influencing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very good question.
		Ed, they're, on the one hand, tied up with us.
		I mean, they have our bonds.
		If we got in trouble, if they did something awful to us, they'd be in trouble too, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		China has 50-year plans.
		The Russians had 15, and the East Germans had 15-year plans.
		America has one to five-year plans.
		China is in it for the long run.
		We're going to go to war with China.
		China is going to come out on top no matter how you cut it.
		And the war may be economic and probably will be, but they're going to win.
		So they have to be also prepared to win a real battle, a real war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're answering a question I asked you earlier in the program, and that was about the Chinese mind.
		Here's one really major difference.
		You're telling me they think and plan in 50-year cycles, something we don't even come close to doing.
		That's a major difference.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And when it happens, it's too late.
		When you know that what they have, they've already won.
		That's the way the Chinese are.
		They're super quiet.
		They're super secretive.
		And by the time you know what's happening to you, it's too late.
		And that's what's going to happen to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Well, calling from a suburb of Philadelphia, but having to listen to you on a station from Redding, Pennsylvania, because the Philadelphia station doesn't carry you on Saturdays and Sundays.
		Okay.
		Anyway, I'm a personal believer in this stuff, and I had a personal experience with someone similar to the woman that you see on the television show, Medium.
		I had an apartment robbed, and she helped me find my stuff.
		She described these three people that lived right around the corner from me.
		Okay, so I believe this stuff, but that's not why I'm calling.
		What have you and your people done on trying to find Osama bin Laden?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly a long story, isn't it, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's a long one.
		Yeah.
		Could we pinpoint Osama bin Laden?
		We know that he was injured.
		We know that he's alive.
		Could we pinpoint him?
		Yes, we can.
		But I don't want to get into why we don't do it anymore because we're asked that question all the time.
		I just don't want to deal with Mr. Bin Laden anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got stung.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We were under such pressure to find him.
		Well, the first thing we did at 9-11, I think most of your listeners know, within 36 hours, my team had pinpointed, I wanted to know who financed the attack.
		That was my target.
		Where did the financing come from?
		And so it took about 24 hours to have sketches of a target and another few hours, probably six, to identify the target as the tomb of Ahmad Shah Durrani, the original architect of Kandahar, and the underground bunker complex, which was the command post for the financers of that attack.
		That's when we knew that it was financed from Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed, are you familiar with the NBC show Medium?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't watch television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't watch TV?
		It's about a real person, Ed, named Allison Dubois.
		And she, in real life, works with both local and federal agencies and quietly, for example, works for a prosecutor, Ed, and is able to discern the truth about an alleged incident, for example.
		And you can see the use to a prosecutor of somebody of those talents.
		Anyway, this TV show is based on what she does.
		And I wonder, do you have any sense, Ed, of how many Allison Dubois I'm dying to interview the lady, the real Allison Dubois, but do you have any idea how many of these Alison Dubois quality people are scattered across the U.S. that we don't know about?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think there's quite a few of them.
		It's just that with natural talent, the reason that we could not use people like her in the military was because their work wasn't consistent.
		And we were dealing with life or death situations where deadly force would be used, which is a lot different than a prosecutor asking for leads.
		We had to develop something, and we did, that would be able to guide Delta Force in and tell them where to shoot as soon as they busted through the door.
		Yeah, I've got it.
		And so we had to be much more exacting.
		But as far as the naturals out there, there's a whole bunch of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A whole bunch of them.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Most of them are quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many of them working quietly for, you know, in jobs like that, for example.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		No, no, no, no.
		Many of them hiding from people because they don't want others to know what they can do.
		Or becoming schizophrenic because they can't control what they have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think such a talent would be maybe more of a burden to the person experiencing it than it is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So many people I've met think that they want that kind of talent, but I'm telling you, from what I've dealt with in my 21-year career, it can be a curse as well as a blessing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good evening, Art Bill and Major Ed Dames.
		My name is Suleiman.
		I'm calling from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I am a World Event Psychic.
		I am one of those individuals that you were just talking about.
		I have that talent.
		And first, I want to say happy birthday to you, Art, and my condolences in regards to your cat.
		Thank you for both.
		And Art, I want you to know that I've used my abilities.
		I have a lot of cats and dogs and some magnificent animals that have passed.
		And I want you to know that I've seen the other side.
		Absolutely beautiful.
		And I communicate with my animals constantly and always know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, do you have a question from the major?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		In regards to you, Mr. Dames, I think going back to California might be a mistake.
		I'd like to know, with your remote viewing, have you seen the earthquakes that I saw that's coming, the potential of North Korea striking California, especially Los Angeles?
		Do you see any of those events taking place in the very near future?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The earthquakes are good.
		You think not, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Last show, I said that the next real catastrophe, The next danger in terms of natural catastrophes is the eruption of Mount Tarawera and the North Island of New Zealand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yes, you did.
		And North Korea.
		North Korea, you've spoken about, of course, for years now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They're going to test the nuke and then they're going to use one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to test it, then they're going to use one.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're going to up the ante in terms of nuclear blackmail.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that will happen soon by testing one, and then eventually they'll use one on the Korean Peninsula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, surely if they test one, the world will quake.
		I mean, politically, it will quake.
		There's no question about it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And the U.S. will save a rattle and up the ante in terms of militaristic behavior, not nuclear blackmail, and that will drive them to actually use one.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It'll be a rationale for them to use one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Good morning, Arc.
		Good morning, Ed.
		It's Clark in Calgary.
		Yes.
		It goes to intention.
		If everybody say we went through a three-year drought and we've just had maybe a one in 500-year rain, the water's going over the dams and people are flooding out.
		They've never seen anything like that before.
		Never.
		So it goes to the idea with regards to the kill shot that if you have a group of people who want to call down, say, Hellfire and Brimstone, and then it's somehow interpreted or transmuted or the energy going out to influence, say, the sun for this kill shot, hasn't somebody kind of just shot themselves in the foot?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No group that I know of has called for hellfire and brimstone to come down from the sky.
unidentified		Did you know of a group like that?
		Well, not necessarily hell, fire, and brimstone, but just say hatred.
		Anyway, an emotion as a group psyche, you know, with a great subconscious that then may, you know, grossly influence or even mildly influence a pattern that would then exaggerate itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, here's one for you, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're thought of by many in the world as the great Satan, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The United States, we're interfering, meddling in the Middle East.
		We're actually moving people to strap on explosives and blow themselves up almost on a daily basis now in Iraq.
		In other words, there is a very great deal of bad ill will or intent, if you will, pointed at us.
		How is that liable to affect the very complex thing that is the United States of America?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think unconscious, mine is outside of time, too.
		So if you go back to something like the Crusades, where we went in and that was, you know what the Crusades did in terms of that part of the world.
		Maybe this idea of karma and payback is just true.
		The sins of the fathers are visited upon them by the sons of the seventh generation, blah, blah, blah.
		Maybe all that's true.
		It goes mind outside of time and payback can be delayed, but what goes around comes around.
		I mean, I will tell you, as a personal experience, there was a Wednesday morning in that first desert storm where we killed a whole lot of sons and fathers and brothers.
		I mean a whole lot, unnecessarily.
		And that's why I resigned my commission.
		And I knew, I knew that payback would come.
		In fact, I told my colleagues, I said, guys, this is bad karma.
		This is going to come back and get us to it.
		And CNN was not there that morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they weren't.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And the American public will never know what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard stories that...
		Ed, they didn't air again.
		These involved helicopters mowing people down.
		These involved earth-moving equipment, burying people alive, that kind of thing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This one was far worse, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Far worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Far worse.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Far, far worse, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard those stories that they actually did air and then got yanked.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Nobody was there to see this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		One last fast one.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Ed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This is William from Portland.
unidentified		I was wondering, Ed, you've mentioned a couple of times that you never watch TV.
unidentified		Do you find that television might degrade your ability to perceive or to use remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a very good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a mindless monster that affects your abilities, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can't stand it.
		I can't stand the soundbite, the music, the average.
		I just cannot stand it.
		It's just not something I like.
		I'm just a personal opinion.
		I like peace and quiet.
		And television, my idea of purgatory is to tie me at a stake and watch car commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How then do you feel about the movie with Ben Kingsley that was made about what you do?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, he didn't play me.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I was just his coach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but I mean, generally, the subject of remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't really care how Hollywood portrays it.
		I just had so much fun, you know, making that movie and meeting Tom Cruise's partner and working with his company.
		And for me, the fun eclipsed the way they portrayed it.
		I mean, it was such an honor to train Kingsley.
		And it removed me from my real-life stuff, which is kind of gloomy.
		And so it was a chance to have fun, that's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		Certainly a different world.
		All right, buddy, we're out of time.
		Again, as always, thank you so very much, Ed, and I will see you next time.

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