John Hutchison and David B. Sereda explore the Hutchison Effect—a phenomenon where RF frequencies and electrostatic energy cause metal levitation, transparency, or disintegration—documented by scientists but dismissed despite Pentagon interest in the 1980s. Sereda links it to UFO propulsion, citing NASA videos of electromagnetic waves reducing mass-gravity effects, and speculates on zero-point energy, biophoton communication, and ancient anti-gravity tech like the pyramids or Coral Castle. Hutchison’s work, including recreating the Ark of the Covenant with electrostatics, remains blocked by bureaucracy, despite past funding attempts like Prince Hans Adam Liechtenstein’s 1997 lab proposal. Their frustration highlights lost opportunities in propulsion and energy research, suggesting governments may already possess such breakthroughs in classified programs. [Automatically generated summary]
I want to thank all of those who greeted and whined and dined her and helped her out.
And so indeed, a successful adocking, I guess you would say, in the boat world, in Hilo, Hawaii.
What an undertaking for a 72-year-old lady.
Just absolutely incredible.
Something I would not do.
My webcam shows yet another fire here in Prump two days ago.
The photograph you see on my webcam is one taken by Jim, a friend of mine who happened to be up here.
We went to the scene and took photographs, hoping to keep others away.
It didn't work.
There were tons of people there.
You can see the cars, the rubberneckers, but it was a serious fire and points to a serious issue here in the desert.
And I'm going to say it again.
We have had an extremely unusual weather year in the desert.
We've had a great deal of water during the winter season.
The weeds have grown high.
The fire danger now extreme.
And homeowners have got to get out all over the desert, not just Prump, but all over the desert and trim these weeds back.
You may be saving your own house.
So that's a picture of yet another fire that got out of control.
Fortunately, I don't think taking with it any structures, but trees and, of course, weeds driven by the wind, a very serious situation.
Weather-wise, it has been a strange spring.
And I suspect that there are those of you out there who could confirm that for me across the middle part of the U.S. There is the Visalia Lightning Map.
You can go and monitor, as I do, on a daily basis, the lightning strikes across America, the number of lightning strikes, the density, the area encompassed.
And as a matter of fact, if you look at the Visalia Lightning Map right now, you will see lightning virtually from the state of Texas straight up in a line to Wisconsin, Michigan, that area.
In other words, traversing the entire central part of the U.S. I mean, just a line of vicious storms.
The night before last, we monitored, I happened to look up Sonora, Texas, I think it was.
I was watching a line of thunderstorms crossing, a very big one, and I simply picked one town out, Sonora, Texas, and they had super cells, what they're calling supercells building with tornadoes.
Just before airtime tonight, I got the following, well, Art, it's happening.
Never before in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, have we been under a tornado watch and warning all day long?
All my life, I was told this could never happen here.
So the radio is absolutely filled with static from the violent storms that are going on out across Middle America.
And they've been going on just about on a daily basis.
And they're certainly, I think, more violent than any spring that I can remember, just raging across the central part of the U.S. So it seems to me we are in the middle of some sort of change.
The last part of that commercial, do you think a human being actually said all of that that quickly?
or do you think that it was electronically perhaps altered uh...
how would you like to They're not going to like this one bit.
But in Britain, they're going to perhaps have to begin paying for their driving by the mile.
British motorists face paying a new charge for every single mile they drive in a revolutionary and I think probably very unpopular scheme to be introduced within two years.
Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the government.
Alastair Darling, the, order Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to press ahead with the national road pricing scheme.
Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite.
If a variable pay-as-you-drive charge should replace the current road tax, in an interview with the Independent on Sunday, Mr. Darling warned that unless action is taken now, he says, the country could face gridlock within just two decades.
Official research suggests the national road pricing could increase the capability of Britain's network by as much as, say, 40% at just a single stroke, he said.
The rapid uptake of satellite navigational technology in cars is helping to usher in the new pay-as-you-drive charge much sooner than they had hoped.
People are going to hate this.
So in other words, if I'm getting this straight and I am, every single vehicle will be tracked by satellite.
And kind of like the meter that sits beside your house or apartment and races around, adding up the amount of electricity you use, this little baby in your car would report to a satellite, which would then report to the government, which would then tax you for every single Mile you drive.
And of course, if it turns out to be a gigantic revenue producer, the United States, you just know, is not going to be far behind.
Can you imagine paying?
Would you go along with that?
Having a satellite tracking device implanted in your car?
I mean, we're talking about all of Great Britain now.
And then the government tracking where you go, how many miles you go, and charging you per mile.
World news.
Hundreds of Iraqi and U.S. troops searched fields and farms Saturday for insurgents and their hideouts in an area south of Baghdad known for attacks.
And the Marines said they discovered 50 weapons and ammunition caches and a huge underground bunker west of the capital fitted out with air conditioning, a kitchen, and showers.
So apparently the insurgents don't have it so bad.
Air-conditioned insurgency only in 2005, huh?
Three men who said they dropped off an Alabama teenager, this is a big story right now, at her hotel, about 18-year-old girl, beautiful girl, emerged as the most important lead in the honor students' disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island, Aruba.
According to police, Dutch troops, hundreds of volunteers scouring the coastline and beaches for six days, found not even a trace of Natalie Holloway, 18.
A Pentagon report detailing incidents in which U.S. guards at Guantanamo Bay, a prison, desecrated the Quran is creating yet another, here we go again, another public relations challenge for our president.
Two weeks ago, the White House was thrown on the defensive by a now retracted Newsweek report alleging that U.S. interrogators at the detention center for alleged terrorists in Cuba had flushed a Quran down the toilet.
A car plunged off a bridge early Saturday, burst into flames, killing five men in suburban Milwaukee.
The car was traveling south on Interstate 794 about 3 in the morning, didn't stop at the end of the freeway, which is an off-ramp to Layton Avenue.
According to Police Department news release, car went across Layton Avenue, smashed through a cement barrier, and then a fence on a bridge, and fell 40 feet to the gravel road below, being constructed as an extension to the interstate.
Car burst into flames.
Singer Rod Stewart, you heard about this, has filed for divorce from actress Rachel Hunter, citing, of course, irreconcilable differences.
135 and the veteran British rocker were married in 1990 but split in 99.
Court documents filed Thursday's show.
Hunter originally filed for divorce in 2003, but later withdrew her request for unspecified reasons.
Now, the next story, you're going to be able to go to coasttocoastam.com and read about it yourself.
But you just had to know I would be all over this story.
It's from The Guardian, and I think it's one of the most exciting things, short of going to the moon, that the world has, I say the world, has ever undertaken to do.
Japanese scientists are to explore the center of the earth.
Now, right there, you know, you've got me.
I've been a center of the earth kind of guy for a long time, dying to know what's down there, and I don't think they've really quite got it right.
You know, they think it's going to be very hot.
Well, we'll see.
Using a giant drill ship launched next month, the researchers aim to be the very first to punch a hole into the rocky crust that covers our planet and to reach the mantle below.
Now, if you look carefully on the Coast Coast AM site, you'll see a sort of a pie or ball, if you will, breakaway example of what they're going to be doing.
The team wants to retrieve samples from the mantle six miles down to learn more about what triggers undersea earthquakes, you know, like the one off Sumatra, for example, that caused the Boxing Day tsunami.
They hope to study the deep rocks and the mud for records of past climate change, and to see if the deepest regions of the Earth could perhaps harbor life.
Ashiko Taira, director general of the Center for Deep Earth Exploration in Yokohama near Tokyo, said, quote, One of the main purposes of doing this is finding deep bacteria within the ocean crust and the upper mantle.
We believe that there has to be life.
It's the same mission as searching for life on Mars.
Rocks in the upper mantle produce compounds essential for life when they react with seawater.
This is a system which we believe created early life.
There may be a chance that we can catch the origin of life still taking place today.
The 57,000-pound, 500-degree-ton drill ship is, sounds like science fiction, right?
Is being prepared in the southern port of Nagasaki now, two-thirds the length of the Titanic.
It is fitted with technology borrowed from the oil industry, but of course, that will allow it to bore through 7,000 meters of crust below the seabed while floating in 2,500 meters of water, requiring a drill, a drill pipe 25 times the height of the Empire State Building.
The deepest hole drilled through the seabed thus far has reached about 2,111 meters.
After final sea trials this year, the scientists will set sail for the deep Pacific where the Earth's Crust is thinnest.
Drilling is expected to begin next year.
It could take more than a year to drive through miles of crust and reach the mantle, so the ship is fitted with six rotating thrusters, controlled, get this folks, by GPS satellites, to keep it directly over the hole.
The drill is surrounded by a sleeve that contains a shock-absorbing chemical mud and a blowout valve will protect it should the team strike, say, oil or a superheated amount of rock in the crust.
The project is part of an international effort called the Integrated Ocean Drilling Program, which also involves the U.S. and Europe.
Sinichi Kromato, one of the Yokohama team, said that GEK's main objective is to retrieve mantle samples for analysis.
Quote, humans have brought back lunar rocks to understand the universe, yet we have never reached the mantle which accounts for most of Earth.
Previously undiscovered bacteria that can survive the anticipated 100 degree centigrade temperatures of the upper mantle, we'll see, right, could be useful on the surface.
Heat-proof enzymes isolated from bugs brought back by earlier Japanese drill missions are now used, for example, in washing powders.
Cores of rock and sediment from the so-called earthquake nest, where the mantle meets the crust, is that like where the rubber meets the road, could also help geologists understand seismic events and perhaps give more warning.
We can estimate how frequently marine sliding or earthquakes occur from learning the history of Earth, but we still don't know when they will occur in the future.
We take cores to better understand the mechanisms involved.
Sensors placed in the borehole could detect changes in strain, tilt, and pressure in the ground miles below the surface.
That'll be a great advantage in giving us a few hours or days warning before something really bad happens.
Current warning systems in Japan only warn us 10 minutes before a large earthquake strikes.
We need real-time data from the exact point.
So they're going to drill into the core, the middle of our earth.
And, oh, I wonder about all kinds of things.
I wonder, for example, if it's really what we think it is down there.
I don't think we have a clue.
We have ideas, but we don't really know because we've never been there and we don't really have anything that'll read that far down and tell us very much about what's really down there.
Oh, we have ground penetrating this and that, but not that far.
I mean, this is really going down into the middle of the earth.
I think it's so exciting.
And I don't know why.
I kind of wonder about that.
I've always been absolutely fascinated, not as much with what's above us, although going to the moon and Mars, all of that, very exciting.
But we don't know what's below us, what we walk around on all the time.
Could there be a lost world?
Could there be life?
Well, yes, that's probable.
There probably is life.
Maybe beyond what we can even imagine, beyond what we can even guess at.
Who's to say?
Now, here's a headline for you.
Snowfall in Somalia reported.
Now, you don't see this every day.
The first snowfall ever on this part of the world has claimed one life and caused extensive damage to properties.
The northeastern part of Somalia has never awakened and found snowfall.
They had storms with high winds.
Homes were destroyed, and it left a blanket of snow on the ground.
And people in Somalia have never, ever experienced snow, ever.
Floods killed people, forced rivers to overflow their banks in almost all parts of the country.
Many cities from the north to the central portion were affected badly by heavy clouds, rains, floods.
Many people were killed, thousands of livestock washed away by this, their word, strange weather.
The country is still struggling to recover from last month's killer weather.
With no effective central government, Somalia does not have weather prediction or climate monitoring systems in place at all.
Somalians think this unusual weather and last night's previously unheard of snowfall are part of the global warming phenomena.
They don't know, but that's what they think.
How many of you think that?
I'm telling you right now, you have to look no further than the center of our own country.
Now, yes, we have always had violent weather in the spring.
That's nothing new.
What is new is the amount of the violent weather we're having.
And I'm telling you, monitor it for yourself.
Go to the Visalia weather or lightning map page, and there you can see the density, the frequency, the violence of the amount of lightning that we're getting.
And all this spring, all across America, it has been absolutely unprecedented, in my opinion.
I watch it day to day, week to week, month to month, and year to year.
I watch it very carefully because it affects our radio communication, obviously.
The more lightning going on, even 1,000, 2,000 miles away, the more affected radio communications is.
And lightning is an electromagnetic pulse that travels through the ionosphere, very much like radio waves.
So when there's a whole lot of lightning, we have a whole lot of static on the radio.
And believe me, right now, we have a whole lot of static on the radio.
So I'm watching this entire spring out across the central U.S. very carefully.
And I would guess if I were to ask some of my audience out there, they would tell me they've seen some pretty wild weather out across Texas, Oklahoma, all the usual locations, as well as a lot of locations that are not so usual.
And in the usual locations, it's been considerably more violent than usual.
I was wondering if maybe you could shed some light if there was any other research done on it.
But you know how the universe is infinitely large, and it's supposed to be infinitely small.
Is it possible that it's just repeating itself, that the atoms make up planets, and planets make up something larger, and that makes up something even larger, and that would go on infinitely?
On the weather, one has to take all the information and put it together in order to form a practical theory.
And one piece of information that most people don't know about, because it's fairly recent, is there is a man who started the science of quantum algebra.
And he did a study on when the universe was most ordered, which would tend to, you know, because it's been decaying ever since, according to the laws of entropy, the second law of thermodynamics, things naturally decay.
And he went backwards in time, and he did his calculations and submitted it to, I believe it was the National Mathematics Association or something like that.
And his conclusions, you know, are verified by the calculations that the universe had its most ordered state 6,000 some odd years ago, which corresponds virtually identical to the Bible.
He was an atheist and he is now a Christian.
And the Academy sent the equations back to him, said, rework it.
Didn't make any statement.
He reworked it, said, I can't change it.
And so it's accepted as it is, but it confounds many people.
Well, there are skeletons inside of coal mines, human skeletons, thousands of feet below the surface.
They found man-made tools and pins.
You know, when they were digging the mines by hand, they found a lot of this stuff.
There's actually a cave, I believe it's in Pennsylvania, but I'm not certain, that in the late 1800s, it's about 50 feet tall, inside 1,200 feet down in a coal mine, and in the roof of it are human skeletons.
Proving that man was there underneath this coal when it was formed, and it wasn't formed millions of years ago, according to that.
But in any event, what this was leading up to, if this is the case, if the Earth is fairly young, then the ice has to be very young.
And it's been melting ever since it deposited, which would have been probably about Noah's flood.
And as it melts, you get more humidity surrounding the remaining ice, and that humidity zaps the cold out and transfers it to the warm and mixes them together and melts it out.
It's like an ice cube that looks pretty big for A long time, and when it gets to a certain size, it just disappears, you know, before your eyes.
I appreciate it, but I think the earth is far older.
Man is far older than 6,000 years.
And I think the evidence academically is simply absolutely overwhelming.
Absolutely overwhelming.
And I don't think that it's necessary that man necessarily interpret the Bible in such a literal fashion and demand that it simply cannot be any older than 6,000 years.
Not when the scientific evidence is so compelling that it's far, far older than that, and so are we.
Hey, I wanted to mention, I heard on the Open Road channel on my XM radio that the states were fixing on doing the road tax for cars here in the states.
They're saying legislation-wise they're trying to get that going over here now.
They do it for us in the trucks.
You know, we pay our fuel road tax out here.
And so they're making it a point for people to call their representatives and voice their opinions as to whether or not they should go ahead and do the road tax.
As a matter of fact, we had a period of time where the KPN index went all the way up to nine and the auroral level up to 10, which means that even in the far southern latitudes, the skies have been turning strange colors as our magnetic field is assaulted at a time in the 11-year sunspot cycle when it ought not be so assaulted.
But then again, strange days, eh?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hey, Art.
Hello.
I have a theory about, you know that Voyager spacecraft flying out there?
I was playing with my Windows Media Player, and I went to cursor forward on it, and I accidentally hit in the middle of the screen, and I moved the whole window.
And I remembered it was Einstein or Velikovsky who said that the planets revolve around the Sun like in a groove, like on a phonograph player.
And she had talked about a couple years ago about the Chinese plan to eventually, I guess this is a plan they came up with in the 70s on a 50-year schedule to commence North America forcibly.
And because of the natural resources, they're going to be running out.
Well, I was kind of wondering because I was listening to Brian Green, and my brother just sent me the book like four days before he was on the air, so I just considered it fate.
And I was just wondering about his time travel theory.
You know what?
I was in listening to the rebroadcast earlier tonight, I was just thinking that perhaps ghosts could be linked to this in a certain way.
Because if our DNA is linked temporally somehow, perhaps maybe traveling back in time is actually just us going back and seeing a shadow of something that has occurred either before or something that has already occurred in the future.
And perhaps, you know, maybe we are either a shadow person or a ghost or something that transforms us into a different dimension.
I would suppose that the multiple dimension theory is correct, that we could appear to another dimensional reality as a shadow or just something seen quickly in the corner of the eye and only occasionally at that.
I suppose so.
unidentified
But we wouldn't be actually traveling.
What we would be doing was instead of folding space like they were looking for through wormholes, we'd actually simply be folding time and bringing time to us, which is why we'd stay in the same dimension, yet the time would be brought to us, which would allow us to see something yet not really interact with it.
He was certainly a fascinating guest, and he accounted for a very strange dream, really a strange dream that I had this week.
I had a dream that you may recall Brian described what the end of the world might be like if we were approaching a black hole.
And what I asked Professor Green was what we would actually begin to notice on Earth as we approached the event horizon.
You know, if Earth were hurtling its way toward a black hole or the black hole toward Earth, I guess it wouldn't matter, would it?
End result.
And he described it.
And my dream was pretty odd indeed.
I remember the world around me beginning to virtually dissolve.
I remember everything metallic, everything magnetic being drawn up, hitting roofs, and simply like some giant magnet in the sky was drawing it up.
And then eventually in my dream, biological entities began to stretch out like my cat comet.
I recall in the dream seeing my cat comet stretching out.
You know, that fur getting longer and longer.
It was really pretty gory and evil in a way.
It was the end of the world, and everything was being affected by this black hole at that point in my dream involving regular organisms, like, you know, human and animal organisms.
And it was bizarre.
And I think I have, I think I have Brian Greene to thank for that dream.
I don't believe that China has many natural reserves.
I know they've got their eye on the Spratly Islands, which are thought to have some reserves, and they're sending quite a bit of their military machinery into that area to sort of claim dominion over it.
But in terms of mainland China, I don't think they've got great oil reserves.
unidentified
No.
Okay.
Well, I was really getting a little frustrated, and we were having a conversation the other day, and at the price our gas wing's getting today, in another five years at their current rate of consumption, we're going to be paying an enormous amount for a tank of gas.
And I thought, for pity's sakes, why doesn't Exxon or somebody go over there and develop what they've got instead of shipping everything from here over there?
As obviously you are a driver, how would you feel about having a little transponder in your car that went to the satellite and reported to the government the number of miles you drive every week, every year, and then charged you appropriately?
unidentified
Well, actually, that would rub me the wrong way.
However, technology already exists, and I'm not so sure it's not already in automobiles.
Some of the effects produced include levitation of heavy objects.
That's very non-trivial.
Metal samples turned transparent, also non-trivial.
Metals turned into jelly, and the spontaneous fracturing of metals.
The Hutchinson effect has been well documented both on film and videotape and has been witnessed many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers.
His findings have been televised in the U.S., Japan, and Canada.
They've also piqued the interest from electrical engineering aircraft companies, the Canadian Department of Defense, and the military.
Some have said John Hutchinson, well, you know, there's a great controversy surrounding him.
From those who believe he walks in the shoes of Tesla, to those who believe that it's not Repeatable, it's not good science, he has his critics.
And now, also this evening, David Serita.
David Sarita's first aspiration in life was to become an astronaut.
In 1968, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other people at the same time.
After the experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast, never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since Roswell.
In 1947, his interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy, and science led him on his career in related fields.
He's worked deeply in high technology, on environmental and humanitarian issues, and as a professional photographer for 20 years.
He studied world religion, science, physics, and the paranormal for 25 years.
In a moment, John Hutchinson and David Serita.
Stay right there.
The End I'm sure before this night is over, these two are going to solve the world's UFO phenomena question.
John, I think that I would like to begin with you.
When you are scheduled to be on the air, I get a raft of email, some of it extremely, extremely critical of you, and others thinking that, as I mentioned during the opening, that you walk in the shoes of virtually of Tesla.
What about all this controversy, John?
We're going to cover the Hutchison effect to sort of bring people who don't know about it up to date.
But I mean, with regard to the amount of controversy about you personally, what do you have to say?
Okay, thing is, John, it seems to me that what you're doing here is exactly what was described, or so very close to what was described in the Philadelphia experiment.
Dr. Lauren A. Kuhn of DSTI, the Director of Scientific Technical Intelligence, analyzed the tapes and he found certain frames on the old super 8mm film had transparent metal objects where you can see through them and see behind them.
Well, Art, I've always had a fantastic interest in naval electronics and Tesla machinery.
Basically, what I love to do was study the works of the old-timers and all the research they did.
So I got inspired, and I had a lot of time on my hands during the 1970s to work on replicating a lot of the Tesla's machines and also some of the older radio fellows like Hertz and them guys, putting together this huge conglomeration of high-voltage equipment.
So what I would do, basically, I turn out all the lights so I could actually watch all the corona effects and sparks coming from the different machines.
It was a large chunk of bake light, about an inch thick, roughly 8 by 6, which flipped over and hit a counter, made a large bang, and I turned on all the lights and thought, well, that's kind of interesting.
Then later on, when the lights were on and the equipment running, I saw a piece of the metal flying across the room.
I honestly didn't think anything, I didn't think it was important.
I thought, well, maybe it's high-tension electrostatics of some type.
But then word leaked out, and people started to come around taking photographs.
Yeah, I've met John and been to his lab, and where we connected is when I started analyzing the NASA UFO videos and a lot of UFO video, it noticed that this probably the secret to their propulsion systems is that you could clearly see these waves of what appear to be electromagnetic energy strobing around the craft.
And because, for example, with infrared cameras in space, the background of space is very cold, and when an electromagnetic wave moves or strobes through the energy in space, the subatomic particles in space, you get friction and you get a heat signature.
So you can actually see the waves.
And because of my background in working for a nuclear physicist, I could translate those waves, and they told me what they were doing.
And then when I found John Hutchinson was doing the same thing with steel and causing it to levitate, it was like Eureka.
So you believe that the technology or something close to the technology of what's called the Hutchison effect is what's used to drive some of these craft that we're talking about?
Yeah, I mean, how we already know that Einstein's law tells us, and it's been tested, that matter or mass in its current state cannot attain the speed of light because of the increased mass law.
The faster you go, inertia pushes on you, you get heavier and heavier and heavier, and pretty soon you're so heavy that the amount of energy required to go a millimeter faster eventually equals the entire energy of the whole universe just to move at 99.99% the speed of light.
So matter in its current state cannot attain the speed of light or go beyond.
So that is obviously not how the ETs or these UFO craft are working.
But if you transform mass and you, what I've coined the term, reduce the mass gravity effect by wave transformation and turn steel into essentially, it resembles light or photonic energy.
You're reducing the mass gravity effect down to zero.
And once it's near zero, you can do the speed of light on tiny amounts of energy.
And I have spent great deals of time looking at quantum physics models from the atom and smaller and studying every physics paper I can get my hand on to find out exactly how that can happen.
And I've been lecturing around the country last summer in Denver.
I lectured at the MUFON conference.
And lo and behold, at these conferences, you've got NASA engineers, U.S. Army physicists, all taking down notes.
And I meet these guys, and they approached me after, and they said, you know, will you write us a full detailed physics paper on your theory and how these craft are reducing their mass gravity effect?
And I wrote that paper, and I actually sent John Hutchison a copy.
And after he read it, he said, well, we've got to go on the show together with Art Bell because there's a connection here.
Mark Millis, who is the head of NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Lab.
I've been on the phone with him.
He's a young physicist, and they look at really exotic ideas over there.
And he said, oh, they know all about the Hutchison effect, and they have tried to duplicate it, and they have had some problems.
So I said to Mark, why don't you hire John Hutchison as a consultant to do it if you're having problems?
And second, the paper that I've written, I believe, very explicitly details precisely why it works sometimes and why it doesn't others.
And that has to do with getting into precise wave science and better, more accurate wave-producing machines, as John just mentioned.
Another person at NASA who approached me is Alan Holt, who's the head of a huge propulsion division at the Johnson Space Center.
And he attends some of the conferences, and he's even lecturing now in UFO conferences.
And all of these guys know the problems with rocket engines and ion propulsion drives and wormholes are all too expensive in energy.
They're all interested in reducing inertial mass increases as you go faster and also reducing the mass gravity effect because they believe that is theoretically possible.
And they all talk about John Hutchison.
So all of these guys, I have confirmed, absolutely know about him, including even at the X conference I just spoke at in Washington, D.C., I'm sitting in the front row, you know, watching Jami Moussan's presentation from Mexico, which was really astounding.
I mean, I believe, I mean, I've seen the waves themselves on the NASA UFOs, the UFOs over Venice Beach, California.
Even in Lynn Gatay's new film on the Phoenix Lights, one of the young boys who was an eyewitness saw in the triangle formation, which was estimated at a mile wide, 5,000 some odd feet, they saw waves.
And through the waves, you could see this translucent mass, the same translucent mass that Hutchison is talking about in the Hutchinson effect.
And what happens when you reduce the mass gravity effect by wave transforming mass, it eventually becomes translucent, then it turns to light, and then it disappears in these different spectrum of the electromagnetic spectrum that we do not see.
And that is why there are so many accounts today, for example, of these home digital cameras where people are taking photos on their vacations and they download the photos and there's UFOs in them they couldn't see.
So also, now what's about to get really hot with the Hutchinson effect is that we've now got a program in place.
I'm working with Jason Martel and he's talking to Roger Weir to test the Roswell UFO metal samples and submit them to the Hutchinson effect wave transformation process to see how they respond.
Because it's possible this very unique compound, if These really are the true metal samples from the Roswell craft, I predict that they will wave transform more efficiently than a lot of the compounds we're using in the Hutchinson effect today.
And I think I remember this being talked about many times in Roger Lear and if these really are the samples, and some of them sound like they are, some of the properties about the way they're almost liquid at times, if you expose them to different waves in the Hutchinson effect, who knows?
Maybe this is the ultimate combination, a type of compound.
I hear there's a lot of silicone or silica in the mixture.
Well, no, actually, I didn't know that this was something new that John was doing.
But he did tell me something, and I remember looking at actual photos.
In the energy fields, he could see entities actually appearing inside of the fields that were almost angelic looking from what I remember when I saw them.
And possibly, I mean, that is a way to, you know, when you think of Star Wars and these three-dimensional images, the Princess Leia appearing out of R2-D2, you know, it was almost like that.
I mean, it looked like you just see this field and this three-dimensional image just floating inside of the field.
There was an experiment done 30 years ago in a university somewhere back east where they did this, and this thing caused major havoc, and they dismantled it.
So I went on the premise that, okay, this thing has to be powered by maybe electrostatics.
We tried all the other ways with even some of my crystal material as a cement.
We tried grapefruit, and then we tried the voltaic piles.
That was quite a weighty voltaic pile, getting up to 100 volts.
And then I thought, no, maybe something simple like electrostatics.
So I supplied perhaps the conditions you'd find in Egypt.
Dry winds and that, and especially the tabernacle, which is cloth, which would collect a lot of ions in that.
Yeah, I've seen some of the photographs in the field, and they do look like, like I said, almost like angelic-type forms.
And, you know, I've personally seen this stuff with my own eyes.
I've seen three-dimensional beings right in front of me, and through, you know, 25 years of practicing meditation, something's got to change in your ability to...
In Einstein's four dimensions, you have up and down, width, and then depth and then time.
And the observer is also a part of that dimension.
You could almost call the observer the fifth dimension.
Now, if you can, every one of those points in Einstein's four dimensions are wave-particle relationships, and they all have frequency, including the observer.
So if you change the frequency of the observer, then what you can observe, the quantity of dimensions that you can observe increases, just like moving up and down the FM dial.
So in my experiences, I've seen these things three-dimensionally right in front of me.
Humans, even my aunt, when she died, I saw her right in front of me as clear as day.
And what I saw inside of the field from the photos of the Hutchison effect reminds me so much of that.
Frequently on this program, beginning when I was doing it full-time, we started hearing all these stories of so-called shadow people.
You know, beings or entities, nobody's quite sure.
Seen kind of in flickering vision.
There's a theory that in these modern times, people are staring at monitors for hours and hours and hours.
Computers, I'm guilty of that myself.
I do it.
And after spending hours staring at a computer monitor with a frame rate of, what, 60 refreshing per second or whatever, it begins to change the human brain a little bit in terms, vibrationally, it changes the human brain a little bit and enables people to see more of whatever it is we're seeing when we see these so-called entities or whatever they are sort of at the corner of vision.
Buddha always talked about the gap between the in and the out breath when you meditate.
And then you also look at the gap between the peaks and the waves.
And as your brain starts to change frequency, information in the in-between points of waves starts to peer through.
And that is where these other dimensions are.
And I think if you expose your brain, which is a wave machine, to a computer or any electric current long enough, it's going to start to manipulate the wave state of the brain.
And maybe those gaps start to get wider and wider and more of that information starts to come through.
When you see one of these things yourself, I mean, even thinking of shadow beings as black, mysterious figures, again, these things can appear black, but it literally could be a much higher frequency than we're used to seeing.
So you just get a void, but you do get a shape.
You do get an actual form.
And if you're able to see high enough in frequency, that form will start to have detail.
And what's strange about this apparatus that John has set up is it works the same way.
It's a wave field, and that field, it's possible, it's acting as almost like a medium between those higher dimensional energies and what we see, and it allows it to reflect inside of that field.
And that's a communication device.
And maybe the Ark of the Covenant was such a thing.
It was a communication device to communicate with God.
No offense, John or David, but if they had video of John creating an effect which produced recordable videotaped entities in a field, that would be so hot.
You're hearing eyewitness accounts and testimony and hearsay.
But if you're looking at real videotape of the giant triangles, the Phoenix lights, the UFOs that Jeff Willies is getting in Phoenix, Pat Uskert stuff, the Mark Olson stuff up in Sonora.
I've met all these guys.
This is good footage.
And I offered it to the producers of Peter Jennings, and they didn't want to run it.
But a story like this, beings in a field, I mean, angelic-like beings, and John has had some of his own personal experiences, I believe, just from, like you said, staring in front of the computer all day.
He's working around these fields all the time.
And aside from the Hutchison effect, there's been some incredible communication experiences he's had as well.
Going back some years, when I was my ex, who made a film that appeared on Entertainment Tonight called Miracle of the Unknown, she went out and interviewed such people like Tom Bearden, Buchard Heim, reconfirming all of the UFO technology.
And it hasn't aired yet in the U.S. or Canada, but has aired many times overseas.
Now, it's understandable that ufology would be upset because they know so much more, and they expected it to be the holy grail of the current cutting edge.
Well, it wasn't that, but I don't think you could really do that immediately.
And for the people who want to know the deep stuff, you come to the conferences, and it's like going to university for three days, and you'll come out of there with your head in the clouds.
I mean, radio is still far better than television, in my opinion, to tell the truth, because you can spend the time.
And television time is too expensive, and they don't...
It's like fast food unless you watch McNeil Air News Hour.
I listen to the radio, and I go on the Internet, because the radio, your show and George Norrie, and all some of the alternative news sites, that's where you get the details.
And you find out stories like you were talking tonight about.
I didn't know there were unprecedented tornadoes up in Canada near the Rockies and all up and down the Midwest because they're not reporting that stuff.
there are incredible numbers of large storms supercells tornadoes gigantic hail that's just absolutely causing havoc All right, Sean in Newark, Delaware says, hey, Art, news update.
I just heard about severe weather in the Midwest.
They're reporting the tornadoes and very severe thunderstorms.
That's Ham in Delaware.
Sean, thank you, Sean.
Yes, I know.
To those who are observing it and watching it, it's an incredible thing that's going on right now.
Now, just before we move on to the weaponization of space with John and David, I do want to ask a couple of things.
John, there's somebody who is looking at your website and would like to understand, I guess it kind of goes with what we're talking about, but this portal effect.
And what happened was when I was experimenting, the whole room turned into like a portal, and you could see these little entities running around inside of it.
Well, he has a way of discharging in a chamber some radioactive materials with high voltage, and it seems to what appears is a similarity on a microscopic level to the SEMs and X-ray diffraction of my metal samples.
I was with him also in 1997 before it was actually sponsored by the Star Trek people and Larry King.
And we had these meetings where we were talking about Ken Shoulder's charge cluster technologies and how it could be so important in getting it for the use and elimination of nuclear radiation.
Yeah, I've worked a lot in this field in nuclear fusion and the nuclear sciences.
And Hal Fox at Cold Fusion and Associates, part of the cold fusion work, they were able to stabilize nuclear waste by transmutating it into these more stable states where it doesn't emit the various forms of radiation.
And also, now there are these new fuel cells in England, a company that I've worked with can take nuclear waste and just like hydrogen fuel cells, it actually produces electricity, and as it produces electricity, it becomes more and more stable.
But rather than using nuclear reactions to produce heat and boil water, this just relies on the photoelectric effect, which is how Einstein won the Nobel Prize, which is the transference of radiation or electromagnetic energy into electricity.
And that, so these three, there's many methods out there done.
Now, U.S. Ecology is the company, one of the largest contractors for handling nuclear waste.
When I approached them about Hal Fox's discovery, which is very similar to Hutchison's.
David, let me just slow you down one second and ask you, that transformation you're talking about, if it doesn't occur through boiling water and that kind of a heat transfer with a reaction, I'm not understanding how it does work.
Well, the way it works is, do you understand the photoelectric effect, which is how Einstein won the Nobel Prize in the beginning, is the transference of electromagnetism, either through light or through radio waves or through even gamma emissions or beta emissions, which is just pure electron emissions.
What happens with unstable material is it's emitting radioactive waves.
And now those waves can be converted directly to electricity.
It's very similar to how solar panels pick up photon energy and convert it to electricity.
And there are ways of...
Yeah, absolutely.
There are certain nuclear reactions.
The last show we did, I talked about helium-3.
Helium-3 doesn't even use heat.
It converts everything directly.
It produces charged protons.
When you fuse helium-3, you produce a huge amount of energy.
It's nine times more efficient than uranium per fuel weight, and there's no radioactivity, and it doesn't boil water like uranium does.
You slow fission uranium to produce enormous heat.
You boil water.
Whenever you boil water, you lose 60% of your initial energy, and then that's how nuclear power works.
And then you have all this radioactive waste to deal with.
Well, the waste, there's different types of waste.
High-grade waste is the pellets, the uranium pellets.
And that stuff is still producing energy, and it's still radioactive highly when they dispose of it.
Now, all those radioactive emissions can be either transferred, you can use the photoelectric effect to get the energy out of it.
And there's also other methods that fuel cell, people in the fuel cell business are finding that they can extract energy directly out of it.
Well, certainly from what I know, this particular company that's in England, I have introduced them to Air Products.
Air Products is the largest hydrogen manufacturing company in America.
And Air Products is very interested in this particular fuel cell because they can take ordinary garbage, which gives off methane, and they can produce electricity.
And I think for that particular transmutation of nuclear waste issue into energy, they're probably going to do it in cells, and then the power leaves the station.
I mean, right now, most of our nuclear waste in this country is stored on site at the nuclear power plants because they have not approved Yucca Mountain.
That's right.
And nobody wants this stuff anywhere.
So it ends up staying on site.
And the workers, of course, get affected by radioactivity.
And then we use it, of course, in the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We're sending all of our bullets and munitions loaded with nuclear waste-tipped bullets.
And we're trying to get rid of this stuff everywhere.
But it's lower-level emissions of radioactivity that are of less interest to the big power companies.
But there's still a lot of energy you can extract.
And yeah, it would have to be in a safe place.
So nuclear waste dump sites would be a place that you could extract energy directly.
And also, there are many other forms of waste.
I mean, hospitals produce huge amounts of nuclear waste.
They're the second largest producer in the country.
And with correct transmutation could be used for power.
All right.
I want to change subjects here and talk about the weaponization of space.
The U.S. has taken an interesting position.
Clearly, I quoted an Air Force general, I think, last week who said we have a lot of very important satellites that we could not afford to lose in a war or a conflict.
And many other nations are beginning to build spacecraft capable of destroying our satellites.
Therefore, we have to Protect them.
This is a big fight going on in Washington, indeed, the world right now.
Are we going to put weapons in space, or perhaps even as I suspect, do we already have them?
Well, I mean, Reagan started this with Star Wars, and it's interesting that Reagan was someone who had a personal experience with seeing a UFO, and he made a very famous statement at the United Nations, hypothetically saying, what if we were suddenly facing an alien threat from outside this world?
And that's the president who brought us Star Wars.
And now we're talking about doing it again and going beyond because we're making breakthroughs with technology.
So I wonder, is it really the satellites?
I mean, you can definitely believe that because if someone starts taking out our satellites and our telecommunication systems go down, we're easier to take out.
But also, the incredible amount of UFO appearances all over the planet just keeps growing and growing and growing.
And I've got to wonder if what Reagan said, you know, and imagine if he said that at the United Nations, what did he say behind closed doors?
And, you know, is that why we're going forward in weaponizing space?
And apparently, when Reagan was, you know, met the same resistance that we're meeting from China and Russia today, you know, they're threatening us if we go ahead with this because it starts the Cold War again.
And yet behind closed doors, Reagan was able to diffuse that because he said this isn't really about we're worried about you guys.
It's about the extraterrestrial threat.
And once they all saw that, they sighed and realized there was a great relief that if the Americans aren't doing this to actually, you know.
I mean, we have the Roswell samples, we have eyewitnesses, we have guys like Gordon Cooper who testified to seeing UFOs, and a lot of people don't even consider that proof.
We have videotape, which many people think can be faked.
But when you see one of these things yourself, like you have, Art, you know, over the highway, the triangle that came down, and I saw the one in Berkeley in 1967, and Reagan saw one himself.
When you see one, all the videotapes in the world suddenly look real to you.
Yes, but David, if I was the President of the United States and I was going to try to convince at that time Russia and now China that, oh, don't worry, these weapons that we're putting up there, they're not because of you.
They're because of this other thing, this threat from outer space.
I wouldn't expect to be able to sell that to them, David, unless I had more than just words.
Yeah, I think one thing, if it was the President of the United States saying, look, I have seen one of these things myself, that would not necessarily suffice, but it would raise some eyebrows.
Yeah, and this is this, I mean, I'm going to give you a case example here.
Since my first film came out, exploring the invisible and the ultraviolet and NASA looking at the invisible, I got a call from a military guy who works in Space Command, which is a division of our military that uses satellites and looks at the Earth and the near space environment and all the spectrum of light, visible and invisible.
And he cited incidences to me on the phone where a general marched in because they had an incident where on ultraviolet they could see these balls of light coming in towards the Earth and then they did a U-turn and went out into space.
And the general marched in, confiscated all the videotapes.
And these guys all laughed because they said, we see these things all the time.
Now, if they have that kind of evidence from military surveying satellite systems around our planet, I think they could share that with the Chinese and the Russians and say, look, there is something going on.
We are being visited, and we need to protect the space environment of the planet.
All right, David, let's see what you know about this.
I think most in the audience agree that these craft or whatever in the hell they are, they are here.
Why don't we intervene?
I mean, occasionally, individually, for example, I had a call, oh, I don't know, a week ago, a guy said that a UFO followed his truck and followed his truck.
And he finally got so angry that this good old boy hopped out of the truck and took several shots at this UFO with a .357 or something.
Anyway, he shot at the UFO.
That's an individual occurrence, I think, ill-advised.
Are we nationally doing this?
I mean, you know, it's ridiculous that our governments say UFOs are not a national security threat.
Yeah, and that's when you start to think, I don't believe we're that stupid.
If something is in our airspace, it's either invisible to radar, which when their mass gravity effect is very low and translucent, microwave photons, which is what radar is, they just pass right through them like butter.
John, is it possible that your effect has been not only discovered but perhaps perfected by the military, and that we do have craft that can virtually change the makeup of their mass and virtually disappear to the human eye or go wherever they go when the effect that you stumbled on is applied?
I tend to believe, Art, that they have replicated it.
I get signals and messages from the early 90s about that, that basically we let them too close.
I mean, this stuff was presented in the Pentagon in 1981, 1980, and they came and investigated it.
Then the Canadian government got involved also to investigate it.
when I'm trying to retrieve the video stock, especially from the Canadian government, those people don't exist, although I have all their letters and all their names.
And it's interesting to note that...
They just, you cannot contact them.
They deny they were ever here.
And I'm trying to go through the Freedom of Information Act to the Canadian government.
And they forget, of course, that I have a lot of mail correspondence from these folks and that I know their names.
We corresponded on a very heavy level.
I have all this documentation, some of us on my website.
You know, it's interesting that you're talking about this because in the last 10 months, there's been a really heavy traffic and phone calls to me and emails and letters to me from NASA, from the Pentagon, from SAIC.
All right, once again, John Hutchinson and David Serrita.
David, you know, that's one thing that goes to John's credibility.
He does such wild, out-on-the-edge stuff and then claims these contacts with, you know, NASA, I mean, DOD, big important people, space-related agencies, that kind of thing.
Well, firstly, one of the things I did when I went up to film an interview, John, is he showed me all of the letters that he got from these different agencies, and I looked them over, and they're definitely authentic.
I mean, even when I worked for Department of Defense and Bomb Detection, I got a lot of letters from different divisions of the military.
And there's definitely the letters are very similar.
I mean, the letterhead, the stationery, the paper, definitely has the seal of the United States embedded in the fabric of the paper.
So this isn't made up, these aren't made-up letters.
And secondly, from myself, having conversations with people I know at NASA, and Mark Millis is not someone I know well at NASA.
I've had a conversation with him, and he definitely said they have tried to duplicate the Hutchison effect on their own.
And Alan Holt, who is one of the heads of the whole propulsion divisions at the Johnson Space Center, is now lecturing on UFOs this summer for the first time at MUFON in Denver, Colorado this summer.
So he went from just being an observer, Alan Holt, and studying crop circles and not letting too many people in the agency know what he was up to, to now actually getting involved because he's becoming more and more convinced.
And then third, when you look at some of these different people who are attending these conferences, U.S. Army physicists that I've met with, I am, with God as my witness, I'm telling you the truth.
I met these people when evidence, the case for NASA UFOs first came out, one of our first buyers was Lockheed Martin, the Aerospace Corporation, and that is another company John has had look into the Hutchinson effect.
Now, the only thing that's disturbing to me about all of it is I get the same answer every time.
You know, Alan Holt says that he's really interested in my theory and the way I can explain, literally on a quantum level, how to reduce the mass gravity effect of a single atom and how that relates to the Hutchinson effect.
But he said be patient because he said under this administration, the Bush administration, there is very little money for exotic propulsion concept research and actual experimentation.
Now, the other thing is, what if there's no funding coming to NASA for exotic propulsion research, but at Lockheed and some of the SAIC is Science Applications International Corporation, they're one of the top four defense contractors, and allegedly people have tracked airplanes going to Area 51 out of their airport in San Diego, where their headquarters are.
And maybe on a black level, they are spending money on this stuff, but why not?
And I asked Alan Holt at NASA, and John Schusler, who is head of international director of MUFON, was also a contractor for NASA, working with Boeing and Gemini days.
And the last thing he did at NASA in 1998, he built the Advanced Space Propulsion Lab for Franklin Chang Diaz, the Costa Rican American physicist who was on mission number STS-75, the very famous incident where I attest that there are UFOs appearing in the ultraviolet.
Now, all these guys are aware of this stuff.
And the problem is, according to NASA and Mark Millis' program, which has a fantastic website, NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Lab, but it's a $50,000 a year program.
Listen, the evidence for UFLO propulsion apparently led to the conclusions that John's effect, the Hutchinson effect, levitating the cannonball, for example, was utilizing a similar method to produce anti-gravity.
Now, after you've seen a craft like I've seen, you realize that you either saw an extraterrestrial craft or you clearly saw the U.S. government with the ability to reverse the effects of gravity or escape the effects of gravity.
Or I don't know how you would exactly put it, but there's no question this thing wasn't flying.
David, if they have craft that can currently defy gravity, then how are we to delineate between U.S. government experimental craft and, I don't know, extraterrestrial craft?
And obviously, you know, they're using nuclear fuels like uranium and plutonium and other highly radioactive fuels for their energy source for these advanced nuclear propulsion methods.
Because when you reduce the mass gravity effect of a craft, you initially need a huge energy burst, such as Bob Lazar's Element 115 would produce, but only for a fraction of a second.
Now, once you reduce the mass down to nothing, you don't need hardly any energy to sustain it once it's in that state.
But initially, you need these bursts of energy.
And today, we have not mastered the non-radioactive nuclear fuels like helium-3.
We don't know how, even though helium-3 beckons us with the most profound energy source on the planet, far beyond hydrogen, far beyond uranium, because it's non-radioactive, and you don't have all the radiation problems.
I think the way we determine between an alien craft and one of ours is the radiation and the harmful radiation.
And there are cases even in Mexico recently when Jaime Mussan presented of victims who got severe radiation burns.
Now, really advanced UFO crafts from other planets, obviously you can come from another star system to Earth and be exposed to radiation, harmful radiation, for that long and survive.
You wouldn't be here.
You wouldn't make the trip.
You'd die before you got here.
So there is still a long ways to go with it.
I mean, to master the non-radioactive energy sources as fuel.
But again, once you get to the point where you can reduce the mass gravity effect of a craft down to zero or near zero, I don't believe in absolute zeros, you essentially don't need energy anymore.
It's not about energy.
And I think that's what the ETs have discovered, is that they've been in the same position we are in today.
Rocket engines, increasing energy on mass, g-force problems get so difficult.
Imagine even doing one-tenth the speed of light, which is 67 million miles per hour, and an incoming asteroid is going to hit you, and you've got to turn right.
A subtle turn, g-forces will kill you at that velocity.
And there are even Bob Wazar's theory that they're using gravity generators.
I mean, gravity generators are competing gravity fields that the craft envelops itself in.
And even though it's a nice-looking theory on paper, when you go flying by a sun or a moon, you know, even again, even a hundredth the speed of light, the g-forces on turns in competing gravity fields are going to be so strong they'll destroy you.
But if you're a zero mass gravity effect, you can turn right and you won't feel any g-forces.
And that's how UFOs move.
They stop on a dime, they turn right, they suddenly accelerate.
And once you're in that state, you don't need these radioactive fuels anymore.
You don't need to use your fuel.
So if we're looking at an extraterrestrial craft, it would exhibit those qualities.
One of our own, I don't know if we're there yet.
I don't know.
We might be producing the giant triangles.
Some of the, I mean, these triangles are being seen everywhere.
Yeah, I mean, I skydive out at Paris Valley, California, and these guys are pretty strict out there as far as UFO phenomena.
And because they recognized who I am, one of them, the owners of the drop zone, came up to me and said they had a huge UFO come right over the, it's like the house where a lot of the skydivers spend the night.
And they went outside, and this thing was dead silent, and it was massive.
She said it must have been a mile across.
And these are non-believers.
These are all military people who like to have fun skydiving on the weekend.
And why?
Why, if it's one of ours, what's it doing over a drop zone?
Well, see, zero-point energy to me is when you reduce the mass gravity effect down to zero, you're actually requiring less and less energy to move about.
And that's when you start tapping into the zero-point energy field itself.
Now, what gets, there's a recent physics paper for those real techies out there written by Don Hodson called Dirac's Equation and the Sea of Negative Energy.
It's in two parts.
It's the most stunning paper.
It was rejected by mainstream physics.
And I always look at the papers by the big names like Dirac that are rejected because if mainstream physics knew how to break the speed of light, how to get a spaceship to even levitate, that would mean they have the answers and I should be reading their work.
But they obviously haven't figured that out.
So I read this paper, and this is a top, top nuclear physicist.
And in this paper, he talks about all matter being born out of a singularity called the sea of negative energy.
See, matter, I'll use a spiritual model here to explain how matter is born into duality and also the actual subatomic level and keep it simple.
I'll keep it short and simple.
You go back to the Garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve are told not to partake of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the day you do, you'll surely die.
Well, when you take in good and evil, good and evil is a conflict, which is actually a duality.
It's positive and negative energy.
And if you imagine the angelic kingdom is in a state of singularity or oneness, there is no duality there.
There is no conflict.
Duality falls into a lower dimension, and in that ignorant state, it becomes physical.
Now, without getting too philosophical, basically what happens is that millions of people take in the knowledge of good and evil, they each define egotistically what is good and what is evil, and they're always different.
So we always end up fighting.
Now, coincidentally or not, the atom is coded with the same information.
Atom and the atom, a hydrogen atom has a proton which is positively charged and an antiproton which spins negative.
So positive, negative.
And you have an electron which spins negative, and you have an anti-electron spinning positive.
So it's just like good and evil.
It's duality.
Now, if you can take light, the only particle we know of that can bounce off of the earth that escapes gravity, the true anti-gravity particle is a photon, is single.
Now, Jesus says in the Gospels, if thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light.
Coincidentally, when you end duality in matter, you become single.
And the only particle in physics we know of that is single is light.
Now, light has to move through an actual ether, an actual background of space, which itself is a wave.
So it pushes against it.
It meets some resistance, and it has a limit of the speed of light.
But Dirac sea of negative energy, which is singly charged, light is singly charged, positive is single charged.
Imagine this sea of negative energy that is singly charged.
If you're singly charged, there's no resistance.
You don't encounter inertia, an entire space, uniform space pervading the entire universe that is single.
Because resistance, inertia, is born when you have two waves that are opposing each other.
Exactly, because it's instantaneous over any distance.
Now, if we can tap into Dirac's sea of, and don't be misconstrued by the word negative energy.
It's not negative spiritual energy.
It's just spinning counterclockwise.
But it's singularity that I'm talking about.
And a lot of physicists today are looking for something beyond the dual pairedness of the dual state of matter.
And they're looking for what's called singularities.
And sometimes, some people believe they're at the end of a black hole and the end of the Einstein-Rosen bridges.
And Dirac is saying that there is a pathway into this sea of energy and it is where all matter is born from and it returns.
And that may be philosophically what even happened when you consider the resurrection of Christ.
I mean, he took physical mass and he transformed it into white, and he could move around, you know, and there are examples of masters in Buddhism and other religions that have done the same thing.
One, they are looking at information in light waves that are too low in frequency.
Longer or lower frequency waves, as they travel through space, they collide and share information with other long-standing waves and they get distorted.
And we only have the ability right now, as you know, in radio, to look at information inside of light waves, which is what radio is, in the gigahertz or billion hertz range.
We haven't even hit a trillion hertz, and we certainly haven't hit a quadrillion hertz.
And this is stunning because this documentary was never released, and I got to see it.
A very famous astrophysicist who was working at major universities today, and I have his name written down.
He took a telescope and surrounded it with a Faraday cage to block out interfering radiation and pointed it at the star system of Sirius and put living mustard seeds at the end of the telescope to receive the light rays from Sirius.
So just like in the secret life of plants, they connected electrodes to the mustard seeds, and they suddenly got what appeared to be intelligent blips and signals.
unmeasurable actually and so this whole quantum thing has been And so I'm curious, with regard to the mustard seeds, please, what was actually seen through the telescope that was not seen otherwise when looking at Sirius?
It was the information in the photons coming from Sirius that stimulated the plant seeds, the sprouted mustard seeds, and the transference of how the seeds responded into through like the EEG system where you hook electrodes up to the brain and you get signals.
That's what was done in the secret life of plants with Clive Baxter.
He was the one who started the research and proved that plants had feelings and could perceive emotions.
Is there a reason they were half-living, half-machine?
And also, the human aura also gives off what are called living or biophoton energies, which are now measurable in quantum physics.
Is there a difference between a radio wave, which is kind of a mechanical dead wave, which travels at the speed of light, and a biophoton?
Now, I propose that biophoton's frequencies are so high they eventually enter singularity at the highest frequencies, and that singularity, there is no resistance.
And that is why they can travel beyond the speed of light.
And possibly, the mustard seeds are communicating in real time.
There is no speed of light or even 100 times the speed of light.
It's actual real time with any distance.
And that the information is in the photons coming from Sirius, but radio telescopes can't detect it.
And this was, it's funny, the book was a big success, but they never released the documentary.
But there are copies of it floating around.
And it's really old, you know, 70s film footage, so it doesn't look great.
But when I saw that, I was like, you know, I've been, I've made connections to that particular star system many times before in my work with the NASA UFO phenomena.
And we all know that's where, you know, the Egyptian mythologies come from, the star system of Sirius, and the dog star.
And it's a legendary star system, and maybe where our co-creators are from.
The two of you believe, John particularly, John, I wonder if you believe that your effect or something like it helped build the pyramids, perhaps the coral castle in Florida, the things that are so inexplicable a human could not have done it without some kind of effect?
It's a very valid question because I was in Egypt and I saw the pyramids and those massive stones from Luxor from the different areas that we went out traveling.
And I would have to say something else was at play there.
I cannot envision ropes in that time period that strong that could possibly lift that stuff up.
I mean, even the weight of the rope would hold the people down.
Well, yeah, I mean, when you're talking about being able to wave transform even stones or steel and produce the mass gravity effect, it starts to levitate.
Again, photons are in a single wave state and matter is dual paired.
And when the only thing we can see that actually levitates off the Earth are photons.
They bounce off the Earth and go out into space.
Gravity can bend the path of a photon, but it can't stop it from leaving the Earth.
So if matter can even overcome the differential between positive and negative, one of those gets stronger, the effects of gravity gets less, and it starts to rise.
Now, if you can do that to huge stones, that's the secret behind the highest degree masons in Egypt who were able to do this, to build the pyramids.
And imagine what that would do today.
I mean, if we could build, I mean, I know about the Coral Castle, and this man says he's not revealing his secret, but maybe he knows the same thing we're talking about.
It's about transforming mass.
In its current state, you can't do it.
But in its transformed state, imagine, I mean, we could build Lord of the Rings-style temples and castles on mountaintops, and even these things that George Lucas is showing in the new Star Wars, cities on the top of glacier mountains.
I mean, that's all in the future.
That's all something we'll be able to do.
And masonry is one of the areas we benefit, which is building with stone.
I think his formula, the actual physics, a mathematical formula for how you create 115, which I was never, you know, when he first put his formula out, it didn't exist.
They hadn't identified 115 yet.
They were still up in the high 90s.
Uranium and plutonium are up in the high 90s.
And then you get to seborgium, which is Gleonard Seaborg's particle, and it's up in the 100s.
But element 115 did not exist.
And when they discovered it at the University of California, Berkeley, Lawrence Livermore, Lawrence Berkeley Lab, it was one of the two.
When they created it, the formula was almost to a T identical to Lazar's.
Now, if he isn't a physicist and a darn good one, I'll be damned.
I mean, this guy gave us a formula, and he was right.
They made it.
But his theory on how the craft were utilizing element 115, I disagree with.
I don't believe they're increasing and creating a gravity field in the craft itself.
Very quickly, John, I'd like to understand the effect once underway, once you've kicked it off with a lot of RF field at low frequency electrostatic half million volts, whatever it is you're using, once you get this effect underway, how long after you have stopped the energy does the effect continue?
I saw, again, these digital, home, digital cameras, people downloading their pictures when they get home.
I saw this one on your site recently that shows this guy who took a picture amongst a bunch of geese or birds, and there's this UFO with a long arm towing what appears to be a cargo container, which is, of course, not aerodynamic in shape.
Obviously, they're not using aerodynamic principles.
They're using anti-gravity.
I just imagine these guys are hauling minerals and possibly a lot of things that interest them from our planet up onto their mothership.
And Dan Aykroyd made that proposition that maybe we made a deal in exchange for minerals and certain things that they're interested in our planet for technology.
Well, of course, Colonel Corsau disseminated technology, supposedly, from the Roswell crash.
Now, I can imagine that those in charge of everything, if there really are such people, would be very interested in a sort of a trade that might involve what you're talking about, minerals and such, for technology.
I think when I saw that photo on your site, I mean, it just looked like it.
It looked like cargo being moved out and to and from the planet.
But looking at what John just said about time dilations on certain effects from the Hutchinson effect, go to Roswell for a minute and remember that Trinity, the first nuclear bomb, was tested on July 5th, sometime between the 5th and the 9th.
You get different dates depending on where you go.
Strangely, on either side of Trinity, slightly to the northwest, you have a UFO crash, same dates, plains of St. Augustine, and then you have Roswell just to the southeast of that.
But if a gamma wave crosses a low frequency waveform, it just passes right through it.
So I think that is their weakness.
I think high frequency waves and lasers in those frequencies distort their craft.
I mean, I can't imagine technology that advanced crashing.
I mean, you go from one end of the galaxy to the other, or one star system to another, and you can't fly straight when you're down on the earth and you crash.
But an intense gamma burst would, in a higher frequency dimension, may have distorted their craft, and they both crashed on.
Imagine the intensity of the explosion on both sides of Trinity, you have UFO crashes.
It's very peculiar to me.
I'm not saying I know that for a fact, but when you look at the physics of that possibility and what John just talked about, time dilation, when he's seeing particles moving forward in time, and that also means you can move backward in time, that gets really interesting around Roswell.
He needs better equipment, a far better lab, and much more precise wave measuring devices to actually study and see the wave state of matter as it's transforming and as it goes into levitation.
Because when you consider a very heavy craft and you shield the gravity, like gravity, you need a whole earth to make something weigh something.
And I feel that if you have this type of equipment, you can actually reduce or shield off the gravity pull.
There's certain barium compounds or ceramics that seem to do that just a tiny bit.
But I feel that inertia can be overcome where you can do incredible speeds and also that you can, let's say, turn 90 degrees at high velocity and not feel anything.
Yeah, the way I look at John is he's like an intuitive genius.
I mean, he intuited this stuff, and that's why I've worked for a major physicist my whole life and been on a fly in the wall and have read everything I can get my hands on.
And I believe Dirac's equation in the sea of negative energy is probably the most profound quantum physics paper of our time.
He wrote a paper on a unified field theory that was not very popular, but Einstein apparently read it and said it was beyond his ability.
Whether it was beyond Einstein's ability or he just didn't understand it, it was a unified field theory, and now the theory of everything or unified field theory is what we are seeking, which essentially is a theory that unifies all the four major nuclear forces, the strong forces and the weak forces, into one.
And to merge electromagnetism and gravity into a single theory was a desire in Einstein's time, but no one could prove how to do it.
Does matter have an electromagnetic charge on it?
And Einstein basically said no, because it's basically dead.
You have a proton and antiproton pair canceling each other out, an electron-antielectron pair canceling each other out.
So the overall charge is zero.
But I found if you put it on a full four-dimensional model, they don't cancel each other out to zero.
There is a differential between them that is so tiny and so weak, it's very easy to miss it.
But I predict that that very weak differential between particle-anti-particle pairs, which you can't really see when I'm talking on a radio show, but on paper, in my paper, I demonstrate where it is.
I believe that is the particle that everyone's looking for right now, which is called the graviton.
David, is there enough evidence with regard to John's work to justify, I don't know, some agency of the military perhaps, or I don't know, DARPA, somebody to come in with money and fund this man and see what he produces?
I think we should put together a whole team, you know, John, myself, and, you know, big, hot, you know, top NASA physicists and engineers.
And when I proposed that to John Schusler and also to Alan Holt at NASA, they agreed.
They said we would love to be spending money on stuff like this at NASA, but we can't get the money under the current administration.
But in the black area, I believe we are actually making a mistake in a national security sense for the risk that another country could figure this out first.
And that means we lose air superiority.
I mean, if you can fly craft like this and make right-angle turns at 1,000 miles an hour, F-18s are going to be obsolete.
the b-2 bomber the stealth is going to be obsolete and if we really don't have this stuff yet and Well, I have found, you know, in the Indianet Daily, there's this Defense contractor there that's studying UFOs.
How far they've gotten in duplicating anti-gravity, I don't know.
The only reports in physics journals today are only the repulsive gravity effect, where you have two positive charges or negative charges repelling each other.
It's not real anti-gravity.
Hutchison, to me, all the evidence of years that I've spent in the UFO phenomena point to that John's work is most closely resembles what I'm seeing in the wave transforming and UFO cases, and that we should be spending a fortune on it.
We should be building a $100 million lab.
And I approached guys like Joe Firmage, who sold US Web for $1 billion, and not a word out of them.
I've talked to them on the phone, can't get them to do anything.
So then you've got to go, well, if the free-thinking billionaires like Bill Gates and Paul Allen are too scared to put money in high-risk stuff like this, then our government should, and that would be DARPA and different levels of the military, the Air Force.
At that end, breaking the speed of light and beyond.
And also, it involves advanced telecommunications, being able to look at light waves much higher frequently than we're looking at today with new types of Tesla coils.
There's a lot of things in the paper, including invisibility, how to make mass go invisible.
But I believe it's going to happen.
I mean, what I was told is to be patient, wait for an administration that does want to spend money on exotic research.
I mean, that's why America, all the great scientists came from Europe to come here, including TEFLA, to do their work, because in their countries, no one would fund them.
The Avro Aero story, which is a very famous story in Canada, Avro Aero Corporation was doing almost Mach 2 in real F-wing fighter planes before we did here in the United States.
Diefenbaker dismantled the program, and all of the engineers got hired by Boeing and NASA.
They were all Canadian engineers who developed the first F-wing fighter planes here in America and started doing Mach 1.5 and approaching Mach 2.
And I think John Hutchison is really an intuitive genius, and he should be put in a lab with, like he said, he doesn't do the math, but he has proven on an experimental model that this is worth pursuing.
And now that he's proved it, even if it doesn't work every time, find out why, do tests, and spend money on it and put them in a lab.
And when I put that idea forward to John Schusler, who worked at Boeing and NASA his whole life, and also these new guys over there, they're up for it.
They just can't get the money out of, you know, NASA can't get money there.
Well, I can certainly tell you that if you could make a piece of metal invisible, if you could disintegrate a piece of metal, either way, and you could prove that, and you could show that, you would be funded to the hilt.
Why do you think that our country, you referenced this administration, but why do you think America is, I don't know, kind of on pause with regard to its space program, with regard to the kind of research we're talking about tonight?
Well, I really should ask these questions to some of the people I know who are frustrated the same because there are scientists at NASA who want to spend money on this themselves, and they have their own advanced concepts for propulsion, and they can't get funding.
It's a mistake.
It has to do with Congress not, I mean, John Kerry didn't even have a good energy strategy.
he didn't get in the field and research what's happening with solar power and new breakthroughs in hydrogen fuel cells.
He didn't get in the field and crawl on the ground and say, I've done my homework and here's the energy strategy.
Congress is the same.
They're not spending time getting to know what scientists are up to.
We've got geniuses, stacks of them in this country who have amazing ideas.
And that's why we decided to do this show together because I believe all of the evidence points to John's work being so important, it's equal to the Avro Arrow story in Canada.
I mean, the next big revolution in aerospace is anti-gravity.
And no one, even whether it's accidental or not, or if he can't do it 100% of the time, no one can do anything like this.
There's no one on the planet.
There's no lab on the planet unless we are proposing that in Area 51 and these black project areas, they truly have mastered anti-gravity.
And then they're not worried.
They look at John and they go, well, we've already done it.
See, what happened with the Canadian government's visit is that they basically semi-classified it when I tried to pursue for getting all the tapes and that they said, well, this is a matter of national security.
The Canadian Security Intelligence Service will be looking into my situation.
Yeah, I've seen all the letters and I've read them.
I had a whole file of them.
I had photocopies.
And, you know, to me, Canada, I mean, these guys up there, I mean, the Avararo story, Prime Minister Diefenbaker, they were doing over Mach 2, he dismantled all the planes because the Americans told him that they weren't interested in doing Mach 2 because we had missiles.
He destroys the whole program, destroys all the airplanes that were built up there, and then all the engineers get hired by Boeing and NASA down here and they revolutionize aerospace.
John should be swallowed by the Canadian government right now.
It was the Kennedy Space Center, Duke Follenstein, forgive me for mentioning her name.
But they were having a meeting after seeing my videos, and they said that, well, the director felt that at this point we have to focus on other projects.
basically they just didn't seem to have the funds.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I really believe it doesn't matter if he can't reproduce it every time.
Some of the earliest scientific breakthroughs we ever had in history, including radio, couldn't be duplicated every time in the beginning until we perfected it.
We almost had that happen in 1997 through the good graces of Prince Hans Adam Liechtenstein that was the fund me and some scientists down in Bodiga Bay to set up a massive laboratory where the scientists could come in and study the effects.
But unfortunately, due to the letters from Prince Hans Adam, nothing ever came in.
No money ever came this way except endless letters and Christmas cards.
Well, you do what you do, and you do it very well.
And David, I think you can be of great assistance to John by perhaps helping to get some scientists who can do enough documentation to properly present to those who would open their wallets.
I'm in constant contact with John, and whenever a door opens for me, I try to find a way in there.
And I'm always talking to these people and trying to convince them.
But I haven't seen, you know, I've even been approached in UFO conferences by people who claim to be multi-millionaires, and they're going to give me money.