William A. Tiller, Stanford’s emeritus materials science professor, presents 60 years of research proving consciousness alters physical reality—imprinted devices shipped 1,500 miles changed water pH by 1 unit and boosted enzyme activity by 25%—defying electromagnetism’s limits. His "duplex space" theory, involving magnetic monopoles and faster-than-light interactions, challenges mainstream physics while linking to dark matter/energy. Art Bell’s weather-intent experiments and Tiller’s warnings about misuse underscore consciousness’s untapped power to reshape science and evolution. [Automatically generated summary]
Maybe I should have Premier cryogenically freeze my microphone.
Well, anyway, coming up, William A. Tiller, fellow to the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, Professor Emeritus William A. Tiller of Stanford University's Department of Material Sciences, spent 34 years in academia after nine years as an advisory physicist with Westinghouse Research Labs.
Wow.
In his conventional science field, he has published over 250 scientific papers, four books, and several patents.
In parallel for the past 30 years, he's been pursuing avocationally, that means as a hobby, serious experimental and theoretical study of the field of psychoenergetics, which he thinks will become a very important part of tomorrow's physics in this new area.
He has published to date an additional 100 scientific papers and three seminal books, Science and Human Transformation, Conscious Acts of Creation, and the newest book, Some Science Adventures with Real Magic.
Okay, well, the place where we started was that there has been an unstated assumption by conventional establishment science, really for the last two paradigms, that is quantum mechanics and classical mechanics.
And what is held by most scientists is the assumption that no human qualities of consciousness, intention, emotion, mind, or spirit can significantly influence a well-designed target experiment in physical reality.
So I decided to start there and set out to either prove it right or wrong.
Basically, it has some EEPROM memory element in it, and an oscillator, or more than one oscillator, a few diodes and resistors and capacitors, but very, very low-tech.
My bias is that we are all spirits having a physical experience as we ride the river of life together.
And our spiritual parents dressed us in these bio-body suits and put us in this playpen, which we call a universe, in order to grow in coherence, in order to develop our gifts of intentionality.
And then basically we would come out of meditation and we would pass it around and see what it felt like, to see if it felt as if it was cooked enough.
And by and large, we generally went back in and did it a second time, but we've never done it more than a second time.
And so then we did an experiment in which we set these two devices, the control and the imprinted device.
So we'll call them the unimprinted and the imprinted.
We set them about 100 meters apart, and we turned them off electrically.
And we noted, we left them that way for a number of days.
We noted that in less than a week, the imprint had somehow transferred from the IIED, we call that an intention imprinted electrical device, to the UED, the unimprinted device.
And then what we, well, then our concern was, well, how the heck are we going to do experiments with these?
Well, we realized that electromagnetism was secondarily involved, so we ended up, we placed the control device in a small electrically grounded Faraday cage, and we took the imprinted device and we wrapped it in aluminum foil and we put it in an electrically grounded Faraday cage.
And in this way, we were able to maintain The imprint in the device for the order of three to four months.
We didn't send the unimprinted device at the same time as the imprinted device because we wanted to minimize any kind of information transfer.
And then when they got, it was up in Minnesota, and when they got there, they were placed immediately in separate electrically grounded Faraday cages until we were ready to run the experiment.
So the first one was to take highly purified water in equilibrium with air, and the imprint intention was to increase the pH of the water by one full pH unit.
Now, in terms of how big is one pH unit, that's a factor of 10 of the hydrogen ion concentration.
But if you take a human body, we all have a pH level in us.
If you move a half a pH point on one side, that is you go up, let's say, you're probably dead.
If you go half a unit the other way, you're probably dead.
And it's in equilibrium with air, and so that means that the pH of the water becomes largely determined by the carbon dioxide concentration of the air.
That was target experiment one.
Target experiment two was to take the same water, and the imprint intention was to lower the pH by one full pH unit.
Our measurement accuracy was one one hundredth of a pH unit.
So we were asking for a signal that was 100 times the noise.
To increase the ATP to ADP, which means that the larva would have more inherent energy, and therefore it would take less time for them to develop to the adult fly stage.
Yeah, and all of these things we used in the latter two, the biological ones, we had four treatments side by side under the same temperature, the same humidity.
One treatment would be out in the air.
The second would be the same thing inside the Faraday cage.
The third would be the same thing inside the Faraday cage, but the unimprinted device turned on.
and the fourth would be the same in the Faraday cage when the imprinted device turned on.
Music Perhaps I should remind you again who you're listening to.
Fellow to the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, Professor Emeritus William A. Tiller of Stanford University's Department of Materials Science has spent 34 years in academia after nine years as an advisory physicist with the Westinghouse Research Labs.
That's who you're listening to.
The subject, obviously, is consciousness, and the professor has done some experiments that should Rattle academia.
I mean, seriously, rattle academia.
I understand, and I hope most of you do, what he's achieved.
If not, we'll back up just a little bit and try and lay it out again so that you understand the significance of what you're hearing.
Professor, you made just a couple of small electronic devices with some EEPROMs, an EEPROM in each one, and some other apparatus, but nothing communicative.
In other words, these devices didn't in any way talk to each other.
If you talk to a healer with really good track record and you ask them what they do, they tell you that they just try to be as perfect a channel as they can to let the universal energy flow through.
We try to do the same thing in this regard, and so it's almost as if the unseen universe does the heavy lifting.
And I should add one thing to the tail end of the statistical experiments with the biological systems.
We found that the statistical probability, the p-value, was better than 0.001, which means that there was less than one part in a thousand chance that it occurred as a random phenomenon.
So these are very robust experimental results.
And if you ask yourself, well, what does this tell us?
Of course, the first thing it tells us is that the unstated assumption of conventional establishment science is incredibly wrong.
And the second is that the intention applied this way, that there's a kind of intelligence in the imprinted device, because the one that's for the water pH to go up, the experiments, it only goes up, it never goes down.
The one for down never goes up, it always goes down.
And I paraphrase that to say that any experimental observation or personal observation that can't be explained by the conventional paradigm has to be considered as magic, as real magic, until the paradigm is expanded to see the lawfulness of the data.
I have a feeling this will be regarded as magic for some time to come.
Despite the great advances that we're making in our beginnings of understanding of this phenomena, this force, whatever it is, it's going to be a while, I think, before we fully understand it.
Now, I need to add one other thing, because at least in this primary part, it is that we came to the conclusion that the action of this device, this intention imprinted electrical device, just by being turned on in the room and over a three-month period, it looked as if we were conditioning the space itself.
That is, we were changing it in some way that we were beginning to access another level of physical reality.
And that actually was the precursor that for any psychoenergetic experiment to be successful, you have to first get to that stage where you access...
Okay, now the way we determined it is the second group of experiments.
We noticed that there were three characteristics of what we call a condition space.
That is, we saw the experimental data.
It didn't really change much for about the first two months.
And then it started to rise and rise and rise and then taper off and plateau at the level of change intended by the particular experiment.
And then once it was at that plateau level, that upper plateau level, you could take the device away, put it in a Faraday cage, and things would stay at that level.
So we decided that the space had been conditioned somehow by this little device, and there were remarkable things happening.
So let me talk about the remarkable things that happened then.
There was first, we observed, and I'll explain it in what this means in a minute, a DC magnetic field polarity effect.
The second one was we observed oscillations of material properties.
That's oscillations of pH, oscillations of electrical conductivity, oscillations of water temperature, oscillations of air temperature.
When I say oscillations, I mean for air temperature, something like three degrees, and the thermistor we were using, we have two kinds.
One measures A hundredth of a degree sensitivity or a thousandth of a degree sensitivity.
So again, we're saying that the signature of the oscillation amplitude was 100 to 1,000 times the noise.
And the third characteristic was what we'll label an information entanglement between remote spaces, which is very much like that initial experiment of setting these things 100 meters apart that I talked about.
It may get, well, yes, it's quantum, but it's not conventional quantum.
Because we're talking about macroscopic spaces like 1,000 cubic feet at room temperature being information entangled with another laboratory of a similar size, 6,000 miles away.
And what we did was we put a disc magnet underneath the jar and centered along the axis of the jar, so it's all very symmetrical.
First, let's say with the north pole up.
And we continuously monitor the pH for four or five days.
And then we just turn the disk magnet over, and the south pole is up.
And we monitor for four or five days.
Now, that's a heretical experiment because most scientists know, well, probably every scientist knows, that at our normal atom-molecule level of reality, we only have magnetic dipoles.
And if you invert the order, the orientation of a magnetic dipole, you don't change the energy at all.
So the magnetic force should not change at all.
And in fact, if you do that in an unconditioned space, you get no effect.
However, we see differences of a half a pH unit in a conditioned space or one and a half pH units in a conditioned space.
No, it shouldn't have any effect on pH if the space and if the equipment is in our normal, it's called the electromagnetic gauge symmetry state of our normal world.
But when you condition a space with one of these little devices, we access another level of reality.
So doing that DC magnetic field polarity effect and seeing a big pH difference, if you ask yourself, how is that possible to get another field of reality you refer to the effect of consciousness?
Well, that's the starting point, okay?
And then it's in the device.
And then the device does something to the room.
And the room then in the room and the equipment that's in the room now is able to access something in nature that couldn't access before.
And if you ask yourself how you can get that effect, you can only come to the conclusion you have to access magnetic monopoles.
Now that's a heretical statement because the U.S. government and other governments of the world have spent billions of dollars searching for magnetic monopoles, and they haven't found them.
But all that really says is that you can't access them from the normal electromagnetic gauge symmetry state of our world.
It's called the U1 state.
And in essence, when you lift that state to some other level, and our experimental data shows that you do, then you are able to access this other level of reality.
Now, where is it?
That's the next experiment, these oscillations.
We decided to probe these temperature oscillations in the room.
They're global in the room.
And we set up a Faraday cage with a jar of water and pH measurement system in it.
And we had a line of thermistors about 11 feet long going from where the cage was out into the hall.
And the temperature oscillations were the order of, as I say, 3 degrees centigrade.
Now, for normal reality, away from what you would call a source, it should just fall off asymptotically to zero as you go away from the cage.
Well, this doesn't.
Turns out it goes asymptotically.
It falls off, and then it builds up again to a big peak, and then it slowly falls off as you go 11 feet out into the hall.
And I think the thing, you know, most people think of the physical vacuum as being nothing, just because it's the absence of atoms or molecules or other nucleons.
But if you look energetically, you find, and Wheeler did this calculation a long time ago, and he's a very famous astronomer and physicist.
And for quantum mechanics and relativity theory to be internally self-consistent, and that is all that science can ever do for you.
It can't give you truth.
It can only give internal self-consistency.
It turns out that Wheeler calculated that each cubic centimeter of vacuum had to contain a potential energy of 10 to the power 94 grams per cc.
That's huge.
But what does it mean in a practical terms?
So let's just look at two sums, and we'll compare them.
The first one is we know, we think, let's say, take a volume of our universe, 15 billion light years in radius, and we multiply it by the average matter density.
And astronomers give us that number.
So we have a number.
We'll just place that on the right side.
And now let's take a single hydrogen atom.
Its volume is about 1 over 1 followed by 22 zeros.
It's difficult, but let me continue for a minute and we'll just look at what this says.
We take this single hydrogen atom, it's almost all empty space.
We multiply it by this 10 to the power 94, and we place that on the left side.
And now we compare the one with the other.
And it turns out the one on the left side is a trillion times the one on the right side.
So it says that even that small, it says the amount of energy stored in the vacuum compared to all the mass in all the planets and all the stars and all the cosmic dust as far as we can see, the vacuum stuff outweighs it by huge amounts.
What is in mass, in physical matter, is hardly the fragrance of a whisper.
You're going to do something fantastic with it, I'm sure.
I don't know.
You're going to publish, right?
Okay.
Well, it should be in science at the very least.
And I was sitting here prior to the program tonight thinking about why in the world I am so fascinated by holes in the ground.
Deep holes in the ground, an effort by the Japanese to drill into the mantle of the Earth.
And all of this absolutely captivates me.
I mean, fascinates me.
There's something about...
It's as good or better than space, in my opinion.
A journey to the center of the earth.
That's the name of the article.
It's actually not down to the core.
But you just know if they're going into the mantle now, they're going to be going into the core eventually.
And what happens when you drill that deeply into the earth?
What do you find?
All of a sudden we'll have an understanding of what's beneath our feet.
Something we really don't have now.
You know, scientists speculate that it's an iron core or that it's a gazillion degrees or various things, but we really don't know.
Do we?
Nor do we know if there's life beneath our feet.
When you think about it in a logical way, life beneath our feet perhaps is more likely than life out there.
Or at least as likely.
I mean, the planet has already shown its propensity for life.
We're here, right?
So why not beneath the Earth?
I don't know.
I've just been really stuck on a fascination, Mel's hole, all of that, of course.
And by the way, there's a new one in Canada that I'm following.
It's just some something about going under the earth.
I don't know.
It's got a lot of attraction for me.
World news, very briefly, let's see.
Aruba, two men charged Sunday in connection with the disappearance last week of Alabama, an Alabama teenager who was visiting the island with classmates to celebrate high school graduation.
Aruba's attorney general said authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island also requested a special diving team from the FBI because of rough currents in some areas.
Saddam Hussein is going to go on trial within two months on charges of crimes against humanity.
That's a tough one.
Prosecutors focusing on 12 thoroughly documented counts, including, of course, the gassing of thousands of Kurds in northern Iraq.
And I guess they're screaming for Saddam's head.
Michael Jackson was taken to an emergency room Sunday for treatment of back problems.
Well, I know about that.
They've been plaguing him throughout his molestation trial.
He later left to the thunder of flash bulbs.
Jackson, accompanied by a bodyguard, arrived around rather at Santa Yenz Valley Cottage Hospital about five miles from his Neverland ranch around 2.30 in the afternoon.
Hezbollah and its Shiite allies claimed victory in southern Lebanon Sunday, second stage of national elections there, and so they're really whooping it up.
A stormy decade-long relationship between Apple computers and IBM is over.
According to published reports, Apple CEO Steve Jobs is expected to announce Monday morning at the company's software developers conference in San Francisco that Apple will discontinue using microprocessor chips made by IBM in favor of Intel.
Trouble at the top.
About 400 people turned out for a Confederate memorial service held Sunday under the rebel battle flag singing Dixie laying roses at the Confederate monument.
Miles to the east, meanwhile, protesters demonstrated their disapproval by marching outside the Missouri Governor's Mansion.
In a few moments, coming up, if you've got something really cool that you want to get on the air, we're going to do open lines for the balance of this hour.
And one can never tell when one opens the lines what might happen.
Yet another comet has been added to the list of potentially threatening near-Earth objects maintained by NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, Comet Catalina.
2005 JQ5 is the largest and therefore most potentially devastating of 70 objects that are being tracked right now that might hit the Earth or have the potential to hit the Earth.
The listing of Catalina underscores the uncertainty and the knowledge of whether comets or asteroids pose a greater threat to Earth.
I would think asteroids.
I would vote for asteroids.
I mean, a lot of traditional thinking about comets is they're ice and snow, right?
That can't be as bad as a nickel-iron comet, in my way of thinking.
Anyway, so there's another one on the list of possible ones that could hit us, and I always wonder, and I bet you do too, whether they would tell us, number one, and if they did, what that...
I actually had a question about the Japanese scientist drawing to the center of the Earth, but first I actually wanted to They're drilling to the mantle.
A lot of people in the community tend to take a very dim view of anything the federal government does.
But if you look at the previous case, the Oakland case that was up before the court in the year 2001, they made a point that nobody ever raised the constitutional question.
And what's been done in the current case is to actually, the Supreme Court, in theory, can't rewrite law once the Congress has written it.
But if somebody can properly raise the constitutional reach of the federal government, that's what we're hoping.
We're hoping they're going to say, you know, as long as I get my pot in state and it's not involved with the black market and interstate commerce, that the feds have no right to regulate it.
Well, you know, the only last thing I'd just like to say, you know, a lot of people, even supporters, characterize this as the will of the people because of Proposition 215.
But I'd like to remind people it's also the will of the legislature in California and the will of the California Supreme Court.
So given that all three branches, effectively, of government in the state are supporting it, we hope the Supreme Court just allows the state laws a chance to work.
And I do a lot of work to try to weed out some of the shadier people in the business anyways.
There's some doctors out there that you just give them $100 and they're going to write you a note, and that's not right.
Well, perhaps it should be that marijuana just should be legal.
Not just for people with a doctor's note, but just plain legal.
Thought about that?
I certainly have.
I lived in the state of Alaska when the Alaskan Supreme Court absolutely said, look, two ounces of marijuana, perfectly okay for anybody to have at home.
And the roof did not cave in.
Women were not suddenly being raped in droves.
Accident rates didn't go up.
It just plain wasn't a problem.
And then the Washington boys came along and sponsored an effort to get it made illegal once again in Alaska because, of course, they're trying to fight the war on drugs.
And they won.
But for a long period of time, it was quite legal in Alaska, and the walls of Jericho did not come tumbling down.
And in there, he describes the ship, and then several times he talks about it being as if it was a giant capacitor.
Well, it wasn't a giant capacitor.
It couldn't possibly be.
It wouldn't be able to do what it would need to do to get here.
But it started giving me the idea of, you know, if we trust that what he's saying is the truth and that it was an electrical machine and it looked like a giant capacitor, what was it really?
Well, if it's so simple, then build me a saucer and I'll make you rich.
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Okay.
Well, how about could you find me somebody that could verify, somebody who's a physicist who specializes in electromagnetics, and I'll be more than happy to sit down and talk with them and explain my idea?
Well, basically, the micro, well, he was using the magnetron from the microwave to boil water to make steam, and it was a steam car, and he put it on a, you know, one of those lawnmowers that you ride on?
Yes.
And he has a little whistle on it, too.
I understand he has a, he can cook a hot dog as well.
I'm going to withhold the name, but I do have a name and phone number to go with this.
It says, Hey Art, my eight-year-old son has died.
Don't they?
My eight-year-old son has been telling us he's not a boy and believes he is part alien.
He's not sure what race, funny enough.
Since he was young, he'd draw pictures of what he believes he saw on an alien craft.
Once he drew with chalk on the sidewalk, a picture of our solar system in its infancy stage, as he put it.
The sun he drew was gigantic, and when I asked him about that, he said he was told that's how it looked when it was created before we knew it as it is the sun today, much smaller in size.
Last week, my wife caught him looking to the heavens, doing sign language, and speaking gibberish.
When she asked him what he was doing, he told her he was downloading.
What does all this mean?
He mentioned when he was younger, he had three alien friends that took him on a ship and never hurt him.
Just played with him.
He does, however, remember seeing people laying on gurneys and what look like operations being done.
I'm telling you, Art, this kid's TV, his whole life has been monitored.
He's never taken a sign language, and these stories started when he was three.
Who can we talk to?
My son has seen a psychologist who's determined him to be near genius status and probably ADHD.
He has outgrown her assistance.
Emotionally, he's always had a hard time because of his intellect.
Getting along with other kids has been tough for him.
We need to talk to somebody.
Recommend somebody if you can.
Well, I'm not good in the field of recommending somebody who would talk to him, but he's a very, very interesting case.
Yeah, I heard that the race car drivers are using it.
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Yes.
Once you've maxed out the engine displacement and the engine power through the intake and all that, you can get a lot more power by reducing the friction inside the engine and better fuel economy.
No, what I'm asking is, in terms of usefulness in increasing power or increasing mileage or efficiency, however you want to think about it, does the effect linger after the part unfreezes?
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Yes.
It's useful during the machining process.
It produces a much smoother surface.
Most modern lubricants are molecular-based, kind of like tiny ball bearings, but they don't do any good on most surfaces because at that level of magnification, most surfaces look like the Grand Canyon.
So there's a realignment of the molecular structure of the material, making it smoother with less friction and increased efficiency.
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Yes, much less drag.
The difference is that a full-grown man, If he walks up to an engine, grabs the big pulley on the front, he has to use both hands to turn that engine over.
What if a seven-year-old girl could turn that same engine over with one hand?
Well, that was the big question for me, how long the effect would last, and apparently years.
I wonder how expensive the effect is to do.
Now, of course, the race cars, you know, those guys can afford it.
But if they were to do it in mass, wouldn't that make a gigantic difference, even if it was only for four or five years, in the national gas mileage figures?
I'm calling because back in about 1960-61, I can remember where I was standing when I read a small article that came in on the wire, obviously not locally, to Dayton where I was temporarily living down in Ohio about the drilling of the Mohole, which was going to be the deepest hole ever drilled.
The Reuters story, my dear, went on to say went on to say they plugged the hole.
Well, they grabbed their microphones up, plugged the hole, and ran like hell.
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I'll be darned.
Good, good.
Because I've heard you say you wonder if it's true, and I couldn't, you know, I thought, why doesn't he mention it if he has seen the article, the news report all those years ago?
I've been on the air for years and years and years.
You're very welcome.
You're very welcome.
Sure, it was a Reuters story.
Every now and then, I used to dig that story out and have the website post it.
Quite a remarkable story.
And I wonder what the Japanese, well, when they get to the mantle, or even previous to getting to the mantle, between where we now stand and the mantle, is where the Siberians would have been.
So the Japanese are going to drill right through hell.
He said, when you see a shuttle in that kind of emergency and for that reason, then it's time to duck.
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Okay.
It seemed to me, and maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly, very possible, but he seemed to tie this in with at least approximately around January or February.
And happened to look up, just hear the roar of the jet roaring over, and happened to look up.
It was a cloudy day.
Mount in the high cloud base comes out a craft.
Now, I've seen fighter jets and everything before, but this wasn't anything like that.
It was more of a disc shape.
Don't want to sound cliche, but it was more of a disshed.
And as it was almost moving away from the Air Force craft, but happened to start hovering and actually moving back towards this original, where it originally started from.
The thing that, you know, I was taking it all in, but the thing that actually I was amazed by was right when I was screaming, I was doing some work for my mom at her garden.
I said, Mom, you've got to get out of here.
And look, well, the thing just went off quicker than anything I ever possibly think of, any technology.
And if we have it, well, I ended up calling up Peter Davenport, talking to him and the U.S. Air Force Base at Stratcom, and the colonel there, or the administrator there, or whoever I talked to, was very, very interested about five-minute conversation with him, very candid, and it was just amazing.
Well, you know, you people in Nebraska, I'll tell you, I wonder if you have ever had nightmares of like waking up one sunny morning, going outside, and seeing nothing but about a million ICBMs streaking toward space.
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I tell you what, it's been interesting living here as long as I have 35 years.
You segued out of it just like that was it, meant to be.
If you remember, I mentioned the Zero Point Field, and you said enthusiastically, do you realize that's our subject tonight, which I did not know, you know?
You know, who knows what happens when you fling an idea out over a radio program like this, where you're reaching millions and millions of people, even if you're not trying to suggest an experiment and not trying to suggest thought en masse in any certain pattern, the mere suggestion of considering the item itself may be sufficient to affect it.
These are all things that I'm considering, and that's just virtually what that man was saying.
That perhaps the mere introduction of the fact that the idea that our magnetosphere was getting clobbered the most important thing that I've talked about on the air in all these years I've been on the air, there's no question.
And here we have a guest, Professor William A. Tiller, who has hard evidence of the effect of intent, the absolute fact of effect of consciousness.
It is astounding stuff, no less than astounding stuff.
Now, I don't want to get lost in the minutia of the physics of what we're talking about, although I will ask where appropriate.
And I think there is a danger that we could get lost in that minutia.
But the overarching, archingly important fact is that this whole consciousness thing is as real as a heart attack.
In street parlance, this is heavy stuff, folks.
More of it in a moment.
Music Yes, so monumental, I don't want to get lost in the minutiae.
Professor Tiller, welcome back.
Your first experiments, the ones you described last hour, in the first part of last hour, including measuring the size of the field, is just incredible to me.
Incredible.
A million questions.
For example, did you attempt to measure the effect of positive intent on any given object or any effect versus negative intent?
Well, you're going to have to talk up good and loud.
But, you know, we mentioned the analogy earlier to magic because it's so far beyond our Understanding.
There are witches, stay with me, Professor, that I interview, who claim that negative intent, if applied correctly, can be as powerful as positive intent, period.
That it is only an ability, a force, or whatever it is we end up describing this thing as, and it can be used negatively just as easily as positively.
We know, for example, that our government sponsored a program through the CIA to look at what remote viewers do, and they did that for, you know, 20 years.
Well, if our government, for obvious reasons, was interested in remote viewing, and they obviously were, then something along the lines of what you're discussing proof of tonight would be of indescribable wealth to them, it would seem to me, as a source of a potential, well, I'm not sure what, but you know damn well it'd have military applications somehow.
Okay, to me, consciousness is a byproduct of spirit entering dense matter.
Now, what it means is that as we grow and develop, as we go to school, as we play sports, as we get involved in social activities, we build infrastructure at the various levels of ourselves, the deeper levels, the emotion domain, the mind domain, etc.
And spirit seems to need infrastructure to attach to.
And therefore, the more we build that, then the more spirit that enters.
And therefore, the byproduct is more consciousness.
And if you're more conscious, you see more opportunities and variations than you did before.
And so the possibilities become richer.
And you pursue those, and you grow more and more and more.
And more and more spirit enters, and you become more and more conscious.
And so you begin to see beyond what we are presently seeing on the average.
We begin to see that not only do we need worthy goals for the future, but we need to use right means, worthy means to those goals, because the process that we use to gain our goals actually changes the future.
And we and our children and our grandchildren must live in that future.
We are creating our future, I think, all the time.
And so what we do with our consciousness leads us into that future.
And so we have to grow to the level of consciousness where we become aware of these things and we choose not to do them.
And of course, the big stumbling block is to reach the stage where you're willing to surrender your individual ego to the larger ego of the race.
And that's a real stumbling block for much of humanity.
But I think that's the path forward for our individual and collective development.
Now, the physics that we presently have that's created the technology that has with it, of course, wondrous things, but it has problems.
It has created a lot of problems in the world.
The new technology that will grow out of the things I'm talking about, which utilize consciousness, can enhance all the technologies that we have in the world and create new ones.
But we must grow in consciousness to properly be able to use these things.
Well, and the issue you see that's important for people to come to grips with is that, and we had to do this in relativity theory, you had to convert time into a fourth spatial dimension.
The second one is there is information entanglement between different places in three-dimensional space.
But if you've converted time into a fourth spatial dimension, as we do mathematically for relativity theory, then it turns out information entanglement occurs in time, both backwards and forwards.
Yes, and so let's just say, I'm saying that the proper reference frame for the stuff going on in the physical, the coarse physical vacuum, is a frequency domain.
But a frequency domain is not limited by distance or time.
Because there are no boundaries in terms of frequencies that we know of.
I mean, there is zero and there is infinity, but you don't have distance limitations.
And so if I say I think the proper reference frame for viewing nature is a duplex space of this nature, of these two reciprocal subspaces, and somehow what our intention put into a device does,
that conditions a space, that conditioning of the space and all the equipment in it, by the way, somehow acts to couple these two aspects of physical reality together.
And so the point is that you can connect from the atom molecule level of our reality into the frequency domain.
And it turns out that that's this coupling that occurs because of these intention devices.
And also with that reference frame, it says that a quality, any quality has two parts.
It has a part from the atom molecule level of reality, and it has a part from the coarse physical vacuum level of reality.
But if this coupling coefficient between the two is incredibly small as it is in our normal reality, then you never get to see what's going on in this coarse physical vacuum level.
However, as the coupling coefficient gets bigger, then that contribution to a measurement increases.
And that's what we're seeing in our property measurements.
So I'm saying now then as the coupling coefficient, it says that there are two parts.
And there's sort of a part in the one space, and it has a conjugate in the other space.
So in the mathematics of this kind of a reference frame, what it does is it says that there is a mathematical connection between these two conjugates.
So if you have something in the atom molecule level, let's say an object of some shape, then there is a driving force to create its conjugate in the coarse physical vacuum level, and that can happen if the coupling coefficient between the two is reasonably large.
All right, so let me just say that there is a way to get into this coarse physical vacuum level, and once you've built that conjugate, it is everywhere.
And so you have point A and point B, which may be many thousands of miles apart.
You can enter it at A using one of these devices.
You build the conjugate.
The conjugate wants, if you've got the equipment also at place B, it wants to build the conjugate of itself, and so it starts to increase the coupling at that point, and lo and behold, you have information transfer between the two points.
Anyway, that's what our...
It's a little bit too early in the process because there is another complication.
I keep pulling them on you.
But the other complication is that the mathematics that indicate something about this coarse physical vacuum suggests that everything there goes faster than light.
Okay, and now you've got a problem.
Relativity theory says that you can't interact across the light barrier.
However, if there is a higher dimensional frame of reference beyond space-time, like in my case, the emotion domain or the mind domain, and if there's a substance in that domain, it's outside of relativity theory, and that substance may be able to go slower than light and faster than light.
All right, I think we're going to try and take the blackboard away from Professor here.
Professor, several years ago, as a talk show host, I'm, you know, in this unique, really neat position on the one hand where you're speaking with millions of people.
So I decided, you know, I really do believe there is something to this consciousness intent effect business.
I don't know how it hit me, and I forget why it hit me, but I decided, what the hell?
Let's do an experiment.
And we did a whole series of them, Professor.
And what we tried to do was to affect weather systems.
And we went for areas, oh, I don't know, like in Texas or in British Columbia where they were having forest fires and they had no rain.
They were drought-stricken areas.
And I had people during breaks really just turn the radio down and concentrate as hard as they could on picturing water beginning to coalesce, becoming clouds, making rain in these specific areas.
And when I say work, I mean within an hour or within two hours, rain clouds formed where they should not have been, where they were not forecast to be, and from them poured rain.
Now, you know, just, I'm sure like with your experiments, Professor, when you stumble into this and you realize, oh my God, it's real.
I don't know what it is, but it's real.
As these experiments went on, it dawned on me that it really was the solid gold.
It was the real McCoy.
And then I started thinking, as any normal person I would think would, about the implications of what I was doing.
And, of course, I was tampering around with large complex systems like the weather.
And so I said, you know, this is not so smart because I really don't know the ramifications of what I'm doing.
And I stopped.
And I started talking to the people at Princeton.
And they said, yes, perhaps that was wise to have stopped because you don't know what you're doing.
And the reason is from our experience, this coarse physical vacuum level of reality in fact is the precursor to the atom molecule level of reality.
That is that what goes into that level, the first level, which can be intent, mind, etc., that causes change in the physics relating to the atom molecule level from where we stand now with our experiments.
We can influence things both locally and non-locally by working at that deeper level.
And so we started, we took four, well, really five sites in the U.S. A site, our major site was here in Payson, Arizona, and then was a site in Missouri and a site in Kansas, and then a site in Baltimore and Bethesda.
We've measured it, and then we thought, okay, let's use the Baltimore and Bethesda sites as control sites for these first three.
So we had the equipment running there, but no IIEDs.
And within two months, the same kind of phenomenon was occurring there.
We get exponentially changing pH, increasing to one pH unit up.
And then it turns out we were contacted by people in Europe, first a group, young people in the UK, and then a group three months later in Milan, Italy.
And so we decided, okay, we told them what equipment to buy, and we said, just gather background data.
We'll use the U.S. control sites for the U.S. sites.
It turns out then that within three weeks in the site near London, England, the pH went up by one full pH unit.
And when the Milan site came online three months later, and they did the same sort of thing, it turns out the pH went up one pH unit within one week.
So now the entanglement has stretched 6,000 miles from the Payson site.
So it was an incredible kind of result.
And what it seems to be is that it seems to go much more when the individuals are excited and positive about the work, it goes extremely well.
Now, we did find a very interesting thing about this.
When the sites were at ground level, pH went up one pH unit.
When they were three stories up in the air, as they were in Baltimore and Bethesda, it went up to 0.8 pH units.
And when it was below ground, as it was in the control site for Missouri and the Milan site, it went up 1.7 units.
So it seemed to indicate that this energy, whatever it prefers to go through the Earth than through the air, which is just opposite to electromagnetism, which prefers to go through the air than through the Earth.
Well, in the theory which I've written up, it is a part of that.
The stuff that goes faster than light, we had earlier experience, some experiments way back in the first book, which was the Science and Human Transformation book, that this other energy prefers, when it enters dense matter, it speeds up.
Whereas normal light, normal electromagnetic energy, when it enters dense matter like a prism, it slows down.
I mean, there's a lot of experiments to sort of prove it, but it definitely suggests that we're dealing with it's kind of a mirror image.
It's a relationship to electromagnetic energy, and if it is indeed magnetic monopoles, then it means magnetic currents generating electric fields rather than electric currents generating magnetic fields.
It would have to have a different, it would have to have its own kind of photon, just as electromagnetism has its own kind of photon, but it goes faster than light.
And now, if you have something from an even higher dimension that can interact with this, then you would have a halo around the faster-than-light stuff as well as around the slower-than-light stuff, and you would see an interaction from halo to halo.
And that is what would be interpreted as dark matter or dark energy, because you cannot detect the things that are going faster than light, but you can see the effect of that on things that go slower than light.
I once said to my audience that I thought that a fairly complete understanding of consciousness, if we ever got it, might prove it to be a bigger power than atomic energy, bigger power than There's no doubt about it.
If you just let me refer back to this number calculation that I tried to do for you earlier, the energy that consciousness can interact with is so vast, I mean, it beggars everything we know about atomic energy and fusion reactions and such.
Those are trivial compared to this other.
And, of course, this is what you learned from the Upanishads and all the ancient teachings, spiritual teachings, of the tremendous capacity that is involved with consciousness and the deeper levels of reality.
Well, I'm sorry that the majority of them are in the sense that if they can't understand it within the frame of reference that they're familiar with, then to them it can't exist.
Look, that happens with the change of every paradigm.
It takes a long, long time for the paradigm to shift.
Because people don't want to accept something that they don't understand, especially academicians and scientists who know so much about most of nature, much of nature.
Well, the issue is that it is not possible to get this kind of work published in conventional scientific journals because the editor will say and has said to me on many occasions, I'm sure our readership wouldn't be interested in this kind of material.
And so therefore I publish wherever I can and I write these books.
And all of the data and all the information is in these books.
Well, yes, but let me tell you the naivete that I had when I started down this path in parallel with my conventional science at Stanford.
I was a world-class expert in the area of the science of crystallization, and basically people, my work was highly regarded, the conventional work.
And so I naively thought that if I do this other and I do it with the same kind of excellence and care to attention and such, then people will begin to pay attention to it.
But still, when you get down to the true, honest-to-God, scientific, experimental proof that you do have, it demands that the data that we now have that's in these books will slowly make a change.
I should have thought of it, but I didn't think of it.
And we just pulled it out of the data, and then, of course, it fell in place with an experiment that I'd done with young children a long, long, long time ago, back in the 70s.
Well, when we get back, I'd like the audience an opportunity to ask questions, but we do understand that it is occurring.
And I think that on this program, over the years, with a series of guests and perhaps ill-advised experiments, we have proven, along with Princeton and all the others doing this kind of work right now, that there is a power, and it's a definite, real power.
It's now a measurable power.
In other words, the actual power of it, the field, the size of the field can be measured.
So we're getting down to some real nitty-gritty in terms of the world of consciousness.
just remember it was here Humanity's fate may be in its own hands.
That may be the bottom line to all of this.
Humanity's fate may be in its own hands.
We just don't know it yet.
Brian in Orlando, Florida says, hey, Art, my brain feels like a set of bowling pins and the good doctor is the bowling ball.
Got any, et cetera?
Yeah, Brian, I know what you mean.
But here's the thing.
We, I think, I say collectively, we, so many of us listening to this program right now, know this is true.
We know this is fact, that there really is something here.
And here comes Professor Tiller with a lot of very hard proof and a lot of it dispensed to us in the language of physics that other people at his level would understand.
And we might not necessarily, I did not certainly follow it all, but the hard numbers behind the experiments that it seems to me are irrefutable.
I mean, irrefutable in terms of what they prove, very hard for anybody to ignore.
If you would like his latest book, which he claims he held the math to a minimum in, it's Some Science Adventures in Real Magic.
And you can order it.
Let me do it the right way here by reading you the number here in the good old US of A at 888-281-5170.
That's 888-281-5170.
People need to get these publications and get them into the hands of other scientists who need to begin also doing experiments like this.
Or outside the country, the number is 620-229-8979.
That's the kind of thing that would occur somewhat far down the road.
Basically, the answer to the second question, my wife and I began meditation by learning the Edgar Casey technique that the people from Virginia Beach talk about.
And this was back in the early 1960s, and it's a very simple one.
we've transformed it so much over time that it's unrecognizable, but that's where we began.
No, I think it's tailoring it to us specifically, and it optimizes for us, because we're evolving all the time.
And so this seems, again, intuitively or led to making various kinds of changes because you more quickly get to the state where the house lights go up very, very brightly inside fairly quickly.
I had studied very briefly Edgar Casey before, but moving on, the two questions I have specifically concerning to define and then condition the environment, and also what was the quite catch you.
And basically, for example, when we wanted to condition the laboratory here, I built a new laboratory in Payson when we moved here from Stanford back in 1998.
And the intention that we used was that the laboratory be lifted to a higher electromagnetic gauge symmetry state, as high as possible, and to be tuned so that any psychoenergetic experiment conducted in the laboratory would be robustly successful.
Well, we didn't check that kind of thing till later, but we did have an electrical engineer look at that, and there was some random, little bit of random stuff, but not much, and it changed while it was conditioning a space.
I mean, you could see those numbers changing, and we have to do a lot more work on that at this point in time because we don't understand enough, and we want to design a better device.
So that is an important point, but we don't have enough information for me to give you really good hard data.
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Professor, let me say that there's nothing like the power of positive thinking, first of all.
And second of all, when you talk about magic, I mean, science and magic are two different.
Yes, you really have to use those words because only then can you understand why people are rubbing their heads so much and that they can't really accept it easily.
Because to them, they're stuck in a particular mindset and they just have to look at it as magic.
A waft of names have come to mind with regard to the work you've cited.
Warner Heisenberg and his uncertainty principle, John Bell and his extrapolations of the EPR paradox and action at a distance, Brian Josephson and his application of the Josephson junction for squid technology, Evan Harris Walker, mathematical modeling or content Carl Brigham.
Let me revert back to Brian Josephson and his attempt to measure bioelectromagnetic phenomena.
And you mentioned high-gauge developments with regard to the intention in printed electrical devices.
If we were to go beyond the SQUID, which is state-of-the-art for non-invasive measurement of bioelectromagnetic phenomena and cognition, where do we go now in terms of the kinds of sensitivity we want to depict those subtle aspects that someone like Roger Penrose would be looking at?
Well, the SQUID and all of that, that's at the U1 electromagnetic gauge symmetry state, which really means that the U1 is that you have one internal space variable, which is the phase angle of the electron wave function.
But our experiments show that we not only have that level, but we access magnetic monopole level.
And in exotic physics, the only place you see these electric monopole stuff and magnetic monopole stuff coexisting is at the SU2 level, where the internal symmetry spaces has to have two variables.
And one is the electron wave function, and the other would be the magnetic monopole wave function in a perpendicular plane.
And so the gentleman who was talking about brainwaves and stuff, we never looked down even below 2 Hertz because it takes an awful lot of data to make meaningful sense of things.
I do medical research consulting and find alternatives for people's problems when they don't want to go the conventional route.
And I myself developed a serious condition that usually is made worse by surgery, and I just couldn't find an answer, you know, just searching worldwide.
So I got an idea.
I made myself a makeshift Ouija board and asked for a name and phone number of just, you know, some help.
And I literally got a name and number of a specialist one in 20 in the United States that I was unable to find.
And it panned out, saved my life.
And I was stunned.
And it felt like a window of time opened up where this was possible.
And I haven't been able to do it again, but it was so stunningly accurate that.
And so I think, indeed, that if you begin to look at these kinds of considerations and these kinds of concepts, then you may be able to revisit that in a real practical way.
Certainly as people develop within, what you're talking about is just a natural consequence of moving from a normal individual to an adept.
I mean, all of these things are latent human capabilities.
And I don't know, you would probably tell my religion just by this, and I will not tell you my religion, but I received a message that said the devil was memory, And Jesus was a wall of protection against what, your memory?
Against your memory, which ties you down to earthly, you understand, earthly events and feelings.
And this is reinforced by Al Spensky.
I don't know if you're consciousness.
The storage of memory, when disregarded for a couple of days or so, I believe, is when the energy may be transferred, as you say, the information.
The only thing is, though, Professor, you have to acknowledge that if what we understand about intent and consciousness is real, as your experiments have proven, that people with great religious faith would pray with incredible intent.
With incredible intent.
And so all these studies on prayer that show its effectiveness do nothing but bolster up your entire argument.
It's all the same thing whether it's religious or not.
There are healers all over the world, and some of them seemingly really heal.
At any rate, in this woman's case, she was in a small town.
She was just an average lady in every other way.
But she could heal.
And all went along swimmingly until one day somebody in the town said, tell us that your power and what you can do is from God.
But she couldn't do it.
They just about burned her at the stake.
Real power or not real power, magical or not magical, they damn near burned her at the stake because she wouldn't say that her power came from God.
And with regard to what Professor Tiller is saying tonight, I have a feeling we're going to run into quite a group of people just like that.
Professor, welcome back.
Your colleagues at Stanford University, when they became aware of the line of research you were doing, how did you fare?
And I asked that question knowing that some other very important people who have done sort of off-the-wall, considered to be off-the-wall research, have actually been in danger of losing their tenure and even the position at university.
The issue is that so long as you do what you're paid to do, then the other is your private life, yes, right.
And it was that kind of thing.
But they would have preferred that I was at some other university because in essence it kind of embarrassed them, I think, in the sense that when they would go to conferences and people would say, ask them, what is this stuff that Tiller's talking about?
And they couldn't really answer, except that they were bothered by it.
But again, it's a very human kind of trait, something that's so very different from where their own power base is.
Now, I sense, maybe it's just me, but I sense, between the kind of work you're doing in Princeton and other works going on right now, that all of this is kind of on the verge of coming out of the closet.
Well, I think, you know, we've got enough data that there has been a lot of data around.
You know, I mean, there's been really a lot of data around for more than a century.
But it's a question of data becoming really robust.
And now we're getting really robust data.
They are at Princeton.
We are as well.
And then it's really a question of getting some good scientists who are not afraid to go out of the box to really pay attention to this, to really look at it.
I mean, the point is that if you don't have enough, if your consciousness isn't high enough, then people will want to make a cult or a religion out of it.
It just says where we are as a nation, we have a long way to go.
But the issue is that This is the kind of science that, well, let me go back one step.
My goal had been to, from the beginning of this work, to build a reliable bridge of understanding that joins seamlessly with conventional science on one end, goes all the way through the subtle domains and the domains of emotion and mind, and is firmly planted in the bedrock of spirit on the other end.
And that it would be reliable enough that people would be willing to walk across that bridge.
Suppose I told you that you're going to have to tell me that this power that you've proven and talked to us about tonight comes from God, or if you don't say that, then you're going to get burned at the stake.
Well, I think we will slowly, over the next millennia, build equations for the domains of spirit, pardon me, the domains of emotion and the domains of mind, and we'll get into the domains of spirit.
So now, God is a concept.
When I was younger, I had lots of ideas about God, but I realize at this point that I'm not conscious enough really to have a meaningful image of God.
Professor, I couldn't help but notice that when you were speaking about your meditators imprinting the devices, that you noted two, four, and six individuals were taking in that experiment.
But, you know, Ingo and I, we've been friends a long time, and we've often played bridge together, and he's tried to do Psychic Bridge, and he's terrible at Psychic Bridge.
You know, the basis to the question was, is, in fact, a more powerful, more disciplined mind, like Ingo's, able to get a significantly statistically result?
In the first book, Science and Human Transformation, I built a device that would respond to energies emitted from a human.
It was a type of gas discharge device.
And I found by looking at different people, the people who did best were sort of computer scientists, people who had very sharp, well-defined minds in that.
Now, if we switch to the business of the meditation, it really is, I think, much more related to the devotion and the integrity that you are putting into it and your caring, your compassion for the whole.
No, I'm not aware of it, but I'll look forward to the results with great expectation.
I know that in India there are groups of Swamis that are doing the kinds of things that we're Doing with these simple little electrical devices.
I mean, they've built themselves inside sufficiently that they do it.
And our experiments have shown that the acupuncture meridian chakra system of all humans and probably all vertebrates is at this higher electromagnetic gauge symmetry state.
So the mind can modulate the qi flowing through that system, and that in turn can drive all the processes of the normal atom and molecule level of reality.
And if they're coherent enough, of course, they can influence things outside the body.
I mean, in the first book, again, I did work for about four years with the Institute of Heart Math.
Isn't the fact, Doctor, that your work has so much in common with the East Indian teachings going to put up another gigantic wall in front of its acceptance?
No form of quantum mechanics, as it is presently framed mathematically, can deal with any psychoenergetic process.
There has been lots of money spent by the military to try to use remote viewing to see over the horizon.
And it doesn't matter what kind of quantum mechanics they've used, it doesn't work.
And the issue is that if you look at quantum mechanics, it ties it to space-time.
That is the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics.
And because of that, they have to say that wave-particle duality exists, which is a dichotomy.
The issue is they really, in the early stages, should have expanded their reference frame to take something else more than space-time, as we're doing now.
But the key part is, if you want to think about it, think of all of our, in quantum mechanics, all the potential functions are in space and time.
Now, when you start thinking about consciousness, and there's so much data that shows that it's beyond space and time, you can't even define a potential function for that.
And therefore, you cannot solve Schrödinger's equation.
You can't do the kinds of things that are done very well in classical quantum mechanics.
But when you're talking about psychoenergetic processes and all of humans, they're just full of psychoenergetic processes.
Our present formulation of quantum mechanics can't touch it.
Now, let me say, a lot of people who talk about these things, they use quantum mechanics as a vehicle, and it is more hopefulness.
That's really what they're saying.
I mean, the way you need to interpret what they're saying is that quantum mechanics should have these capabilities within it.
And what I'm talking about is, sure, let's expand quantum mechanics in the direction that I'm talking about.
I'm not for throwing it out.
I'm just saying it needs terrible expansion, large expansion, because in its basic mathematical formulation, it doesn't go far enough.
I mean, because it turns out that the things that they're applying quantum mechanics to is that once you accept wave-particle duality, you can solve all the mathematics in space-time.
But I'm saying the non-local forces, the information entanglement, those kinds of things, they're really tapping into this other level, this duplex space level.
So I'm saying that the mathematics of quantum mechanics at this point in time are convenient, but they will not carry us to where we need to go.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Tiller.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Professor Tiller.
Before I pose my question, I would like to first thank you for your affirmations of the purpose of science tonight, which is to prove the existence of a Creator, not to deny it.
Yes.
With that saying, with that being as it is, my question is, it seems from what I heard tonight, from tonight's interview, I have understood that intentions are as a vehicle.
So sincerity should be the fuel.
With the right sincere intentions, can we be elevated to a higher state of being?
And if so, could that be the purpose of intentions to propel us to a higher state of being?
It underscores so many other things we've talked about on this program.
And I don't know, it seems like yourself and some of these others ought to get together in some grand consciousness forum and share your ideas and work.