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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Paul Stonehill - UFOs in the USSR

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans, good morning, good afternoon, whatever you may be in the world for living time.
		Every single one of you covered by this program post to post AMI Market.
		I am privileged to be exporting you to this holiday weekend.
		I suspect that quite a number of you able to stay up later than usual tonight.
		Because Bostonio is going to be UFO-centric show tonight, actually, talking about what's happened in Russia.
		You know, now that the Iron Curtain has fallen and is being sold as souvenirs, why, all the information coming out of Russia after all these years is pretty interesting stuff, and they've got a lot of it, and Stonehill will report on it.
		Now, how many of you have heard of the Prophet Yahweh?
		I think George interviewed him last, the end of last week, Friday or something.
		You know, normally my inclination with this kind of thing, the Prophet Yahweh calling down UFOs and all this kind of stuff, is just give me a blinkin' break.
		However, Channel 13 Television in Las Vegas, they're good people.
		I know a bunch of them.
		And they took the Yahweh story, I guess, seriously enough to send some intrepid reporter out and stand with Yahweh while he attempted to call down some UFOs.
unidentified		Well, he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Channel 13 got the video.
		And I don't know what you don't say any more than that.
		I mean, other than give me a blink and break, you've got to give him credit.
		The guy did it or got unbelievably lucky or something.
		But sure as hell, it's quite a clear UFO, very similar to the second UFO my wife and I saw, a disc.
		And it flitted about as no normal craft really could.
		So I don't know what to say.
		They caught it on film.
		You can go to the Channel 13 website in Las Vegas and see it for yourself.
		Word is.
		This will be followed now by a whole flurry of UFO sightings in the Las Vegas area.
		I could certainly consider myself in that area.
		Even a little closer to Area 51.
		So I guess it's coming over the next week if this is any indication.
		World news.
		What do you say about the French?
		French voters soundly rejected the European Union's first Constitution Sunday.
		A stinging repudiation of President Jacques Chirac's leadership and the ambitious decades-long effort to unite the continent.
		Chirac, who had urged voters to approve the charter in the bitterly contested referendum, announced the result in a brief televised address said the process of ratifying the treaty would continue in other EU countries.
		The French people are to say about the French.
		Their capital, Paris, is lovely.
		Ramona and I love it.
		But the French people, boy, I'll tell you, the French people.
		Very independent.
		Iraq police fought pitched battles with insurgents Sunday as thousands of security forces backed by American troops swept through Baghdad's streets to flush out militants responsible for, as you know, killing more than 720 people now since Iraq's new government was announced back in April.
		Insurgents lashed back.
		They killed 30, including a British soldier and a senior U.S. military intelligence official, acknowledges now there are very few indications that they are, quote, packing their bags, end quote.
		Kind of world we live in.
		Six people, including two children, were found shot to death Sunday in neighboring farmhouses.
		Investigators believe one of the dead was responsible for all the killing.
		The same family owned both houses on a farm of several hundred acres.
		Two bodies were found in one farmhouse and four found in another.
		There is a current book out about the end of the world.
		And Ramona will step in here any second and remind me of who I just read it and handed it to her.
		It's one of the most unique end of the world books that you'll read.
		And it's a kind of a, without telling you, and it is The Taking by Dean Koontz.
		Thank you.
		What can I say about it?
		It's what a lot of people, religious people, I think, believe is going to happen.
		Or maybe it'll happen this way.
		Several of the world's leading international disease experts are calling for more international cooperation and a new kind of vaccine to prepare for a global flu outbreak that could strike one-fifth of the world's population and kill millions.
		Since an outbreak has long been called inevitable, once a flu virus circulating in birds infects people and then just mutates a little bit so that it passes easily between people, while bird-to-human infections have, as you know, been happening in Asia, they have not yet spawned a major spread of the virus person to person.
		Even an optimistic estimate now says a worldwide outbreak could sicken 30 million people enough to go to the hospital, kill about a quarter of those patients.
		Researcher Albert Osterhaus of the Medical Center in Rotterdam said, the Netherlands and colleagues write in Thursday's edition of the journal Nature, other experts are saying, get ready, prepare for a global outbreak called a pandemic.
		Now, here's a headline for you.
		Chinese government admits to massive epidemics as World Health Organization granted sweeping new powers over all nations and peoples on earth.
		Reports have reached us this morning confirming the recent reports of Russian scientists.
		This originally came from Russian, you know, Pravda, stating that China has been battling numerous epidemics and they have not been reported to the World Health Organization.
		After stonewalling for weeks, China acknowledged Friday that two epidemics had spread among its animal and bird populations, renewing questions about its readiness to provide prompt information about infectious disease.
		In other words, they don't tell.
		The belated announcement came amid fresh criticism that China's disease surveillance system is inadequate to deal with an avian flu virus that scientists say may turn into a global pandemic amongst humans.
unidentified		these stories just coming and and and The following story purportedly comes from Czech E-Zyne Black Ice Issue Number One, Sydney, Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, prepare yourself.
		This has got a sort of a regusting rating of near 10.
		Oceanographic scientists say they have discovered a vast floating reef of the world's disposed condoms in the middle of the South Pacific, about halfway between Tahiti and the Antarctic.
		The phenomenal mess, mass, excuse me, mass and mess, is almost two miles long, an eighth of a mile wide, and in places up to 60 feet deep.
		Mason Frow, the Australian marine biologist at his country's oceanographic laboratory outpost on Marquay Island, South Pacific, said the bizarre accumulation is explained by a scientific term called like aggregation.
		Like aggregation, remember that.
		That is, the massing of similar objects over short or even longer periods of time due to wind or ocean currents, magnetic fields, buoyancy, and other conditions probably we can't even guess at.
		It's fairly common in the world's oceans, he said.
		Natural events, you know, like red tides, for example, are instances of like aggregation.
		People with pets that shed lots of hair can see it in their very own homes.
		Frowell said, the dog sheds everywhere in the room, but after falling out, the fur soon collects in a few clumps and masses.
		Like aggregation.
		Fowl said, Ocean reefs of styrofoam and detergent residues have been observed in the South Pacific and everywhere else for many years, but they're usually broken up by storms before they become large or hazardous.
		He believes the huge concentration of condoms, not previously reported, is more resilient than other aggregating stuff and may have been developing for decades.
		Frowl said parts of the newly discovered reef are matted together so densely that you could almost land a plane on it.
		He said, quote, I suppose it'd be funny.
		It would be funny if it didn't pose the hazard it does to marine life and navigation.
		Frowell said, I'd pity any freighter, submarine, or dolphin, for that matter, that might run into it.
		The biologist said that he and his Australian scientific colleagues will have the reef mapped by satellite and monitored from now on to see if it expands, breaks up, or drifts from its current location, reportedly at 63 degrees latitude and 154 degrees longitude, Frau said.
		There wouldn't be much point in trying to break up the pulpy mass with explosives or, like, God, other devices.
		It seems pretty indestructible, said he.
		The world's industrialized nations are estimated to consume and dispose of nearly 300 million condoms per year.
		Industry analysts say about a third of those discards become water-born.
		And so then they aggregate.
		Now, my wife Ramona pointed out after she finished laughing about all of this that it is true if you, as a human being, walk into an empty movie theater and sit in a conveniently good place to see the screen just right, inevitably the very next person coming in will come in in an empty theater and sit right down next to you, probably sneezing and hacking and coughing.
		Well, that I understand.
		That's a matter of human behavior, I think.
		Or is it?
		Are we humans no different than floating condoms?
		Do we aggregate?
		I said, no, there's got to be a difference.
		You know, inanimate objects, I can understand human behavior.
		You know, aggregate.
		That's laughing coming from the other room.
		Humans have brains and they do what they do.
		But I mean, inanimate objects, how do they do that?
		NASA scientists say they have made the first sighting of what could be the ultimate July 4th firework.
		Now, remember, folks, a comet called Tempel 1, the camera was aboard a spacecraft called Deep Impact, closing in on the comet's track.
		And on April 25th, at a distance of 39.7 million miles, it caught the first reflected light from its prey.
		That's right.
		You see, it's sneaking up on it.
		Deep Impact is going to intercept the four-mile-wide comet and fire a 39-inch copper projectile into it while the two close at 6.3 miles per second on Independence Day.
		They're going to film the whole event for excited scientists back here on Earth, 83 million miles away.
		Dust and debris and the size of the hole in the comet will answer questions about the makeup of these mysterious visitors.
		Some people think it's a bad idea to be exploding comets.
		Somehow or another, the new orbit after impact, well, you just know if it's like the movies, will be quickly calculated to be Manhattan.
		New NASA Administrator Mike Griffin visiting Kennedy Space Center the other day has made it clear the shuttle is going to get replaced and soon too.
		A quote, I report to the president, he told the press, the president has said we're retiring the orbiter by 2010, and that's just what we're going to do.
		The agency should have a transition plan ready by summer's end, he said, that would outline how much of the International Space Station might actually be finished by the time the shuttles are finished.
		Now, I don't know if this is the answer or not, but I feel compelled to read it to you.
		You know, there is a mystery in Death Valley of rocks, big rocks, moving along the floor of Death Valley at night mysteriously.
		And Bob in San Diego writes, Dear Art, after hearing you describe the moving desert rocks as an unsolved mystery, I just had to write to let you know what a friend of mine discovered.
		These moving rocks are generally found on dry lake beds, which have a high content of evaporated salt.
		So, when it rains in the desert, the lake beds absorb the moisture and the salt partially dissolves.
		The rocks are then partially buoyed, buoyed up by the high brine content slush, which also lowers the friction between the rocks and the lake bed.
		Then the wind blows across the lake.
		Sufficient force is generated to overcome the friction between rocks and the bed to allow the rocks to move fairly long distances.
		Mystery solved.
unidentified		Well, maybe, Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we also get rocks moving down at the bottom of Death Alley on windless nights.
unidentified		How would that occur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After 35 years in prison for stealing a black-and-white TV set, Jr.
		Allen is now a free man.
		Allen, 65 years of age now, walked out of prison Friday, ending a case that attracted widespread attention because he remained in jail while other inmates convicted of murder, rape, child molestation all came and went.
		Said he, I'm glad to be out.
		I've done just too much time for what I did.
		I won't be truly happy until I see a sign that says I'm out of North Carolina.
		Allen was a 30-year-old migrant farm worker from Georgia with a criminal history that included burglaries and a violent assault when he sneaked into the unlocked house, stole a 19-inch black and white TV set worth $140.
		Some state records say Allen roughed up the 87-year-old woman who lived there, but he was never convicted of that.
		Instead, he was sentenced in 1970 to life in prison for second-degree burglary.
		The penalty for the offense since has been charged, changed rather, to a maximum of three years in the Poke.
		The State Parole Commission decided last year to release Allen if he behaved and completed a transition work release program.
		Well, he worked at a restaurant, washing dishes and floors, had no prison infractions during the past three years, and so now he's out early.
		It would be his 26th try at parole.
		So including five years of that, he could gain complete freedom by age 70.
		All this for a TV, for a black and white TV.
		Joke in the house is, how much time would he have gotten if he'd stolen a color TV?
		A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost.
		She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below.
		She shouted to him, excuse me, can you help me?
		I promised a friend that I'd meet him an hour ago, and I don't know where I am.
		The man consulted his handy portable GPS and replied, why, you're 30 feet above sea level.
		You're at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude, 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
		She rolled her eyes and said, you've got to be a Democrat.
		I am, the man replied.
		How'd you know?
		Well, answered the balloonist, everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost.
		Frankly, you've not been much help to me.
		The man smiled and responded, well, you must be a Republican.
		I am, replied the balloonist.
		How'd you know?
		Well, said the man, you know where you are.
		You don't know where you are or where you're going.
		You've risen where you are due to a large quantity of hot air.
		You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep.
		Then you expect me to solve your problems.
		You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now it's my fault.
		So, you see, every now and then, I am somewhat political.
		All right.
		This night, we will, that's about as far as I go.
		We'll take your calls.
		Anything you would like to talk about is kind of fair game and open lines.
		At the top of the hour, as I explained, Paul Stonehill will be here.
		He'll talk about the Tunguska explosion.
		I think that's an extremely mysterious explosion.
		In that well, it knocked down trees for a 40-mile circle, at least.
unidentified		I mean, just flattened them, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those trees are all gone.
		But without a crater.
		So the size of the explosion would indicate that it would be something large enough to hit the Earth and create a crater, as we have in Arizona, right?
		But no.
		I wonder if scientists have looked very carefully for some kind of residual radiation.
		My guess being that it could have been something other than what we thought.
		And also the amount of energy released to Tunguska is incredibly more than you would expect from a mid-air explosion of that magnitude.
		I mean, the whole event is pretty weird.
		But again, so are a lot of other things that are going on in Russia.
		And tonight's guest is an expert on things that have gone on in Russia during the secret of years when they didn't tell us.
		Well, now they're telling us, and some of it is pretty wild stuff.
		That's what we're going to be covering tonight.
		But coming up next, all of you will throw the lines open.
		From the high desert in the middle of a kind of a neat night.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Sign up for Streamlink at www.coastocoastam.com.
		And you can hear tonight's show over and over and over.
		Baby on a shoulder, it's time to set my deep molasses in the sky.
		The lights and the white moon.
		Hey!
		Everything always wanting more.
		Feeling you're longing for Black Fell.
		And I live on a smile.
		Backslash.
		It's 2am, it's 2am, the fear is gone, it's 2am, the weather is still warm, it's all I've been to, but still won't I make it as I can't give it a chance?
		Yeah, the storm won't lose, the sirens in my head, the sound of the silent stars took hits and dead, can't I be cold, my whole life spins into a frenzy
		Sound of the silence through the twilight zone, the haze is in my house, the tears are being blown, my windows can't move, out the moon and star, where am I going now that I'm going to fall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And if you'll only listen very carefully, I've got the telephone numbers so that you can get on the show.
		You've got something intriguing to know it's all about.
		They're a little bit different on the weekend, so listen very closely.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imagine being an American submarine commander and having come back to base and explained to the Pacific Command that your submarine is limping back into base because it collided with a giant mountain of congealed, gathered condoms.
unidentified		Music Incidentally, there are photographs to go with the Stone Hill story tonight, UFO photographs that we've got up on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really might want to take a look at that, as well as mentioning again this Yahweh thing.
		Crazy, I admit, absolutely crazy.
		However, I mean, there it is.
		It's just, it's astounding.
		It really did happen.
		They really did catch the video.
		He stood there and prayed for the UFOs, and there they came.
		So a couple of people have complained they can't find the video.
		I was sending the link around to some friends, so it is up there.
		I'm just not sure where.
		So Channel 13, somebody tell Channel 13 to get that out there prominently.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		First time caller.
		Great show.
		Love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Doing a great job, and I hope you get on five days a week sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had that experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what else is up?
unidentified		I was wondering, like, how come there's been no mainstream media coverage of the Britons or Brazilians coming out with their UFO knowledge and everything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me try and answer that.
		The American media, for the most part, is brain dead.
		We have a very interesting we were having a long discussion last night after the program with some friends about the American media in general, and it is an odd bunch.
		And they do every now and then run UFO stories, but what the gentleman just referred to, Brazil, actually making everything public, is a monster story, and they haven't touched it.
		So I really don't know how to tell you about the American media, except to say that if one of them, one of the major services should pick it up, then suddenly it will be everywhere.
		And that gives you, I guess, an insight into the pack nature of the media, what one does, they all do.
		So I don't have a better answer than that.
		It's just sort of a pack mentality out there.
		And until it makes one of the big ones, then it just doesn't make it.
		That's all there is to it.
		Wildcard Line, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		This is Blair and Sedona.
		Yes.
		Peter Gerston, the UFO lawyer, forwarded me this thing today.
		Actually, it's called Gear Up for Deep Impact Comet Crash.
		And it tells who can see it at the best location and time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it happens to be the folks in the westernmost region of North America, us, around 11 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time on July 3rd.
unidentified		And it's supposed to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On July 3rd.
unidentified		Well, this is going to be 4th of July for people on the East Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have three hours.
		Gotcha.
		Okay.
unidentified		And you look low in the southwestern sky in the constellation of Virgo about 3.5 degrees northeast of the bright stars.
unidentified		Spica or Spica?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		It's one of those stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of those bright ones.
unidentified		Yeah, and of course, I'd like to reiterate my prediction I made of number 68 about this is a bad thing to do on your New Year's Eve program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I join you in that view.
		Just somehow or another, maybe I've read too much science fiction, but doggone it, always after something like this, then the scientists, you know, everybody's going, oh, oh, and then some guy over in the corner is doing a little calculation.
		Wait a minute.
		Look, Manhattan.
unidentified		Well, yeah, there's some folks that believe it's by design a part of the electrical circuitry of our solar system, like a nerve synapse.
		And energetically, it could be devastating.
		It was like a resonance or bouncing ball effect.
		Besides fires, it could be financial disruptions, various diseases.
		I don't mean it'd be doom and gloom, but come on, folks.
		Let's not shoot first and ask questions later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And yes, he did make a New Year's prediction about this very event.
		I don't know that I buy into the sort of resonating domino effect.
		I don't think I buy into that.
		But inevitably, something goes wrong with schemes like this.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good evening, Art.
		My name is Don from Copley, Pennsylvania, near Allen Town.
		I hope I can mention two things.
		I know time is short.
		You mentioned about the flu stories and that they just keep coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I find it fascinating then also, to get the other side of the story in a way, from John Rappaport, who seems to think that these stories are just like a con.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they're like a con at all.
		I think that they know damn well it's going to happen.
		They just know.
		I mean, you know, they can see the beginning of changes in this virus, and they have seen clearly what it can do to birds, and now we're getting the reports from China on the size of the epidemics going on, you know, just among the animal population there that they've been hiding.
		No, I think this is real.
unidentified		That's unfortunate.
		As I said, I wanted to mention one other thing.
		And I wondered if you or even any of your listeners had any experience with the twin coil Fair AM antenna with the CC Radio Plus.
		I have the CC Radio Plus, and I have a dickens of a time with an adjacent station when I'm trying to get my Baltimore Orioles who were in first place.
		And I wondered if you had used the twin coil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's wonderful for that.
		It's got a very high cue.
		So such a high cue that you can virtually annihilate an adjacent station.
		So, yeah, it works.
		It really works.
unidentified		Boy, that would be something because I use a regular Select Attenna.
unidentified		And I wonder if I said you or anybody else may feel that the twin coil does a better job than just a regular Select Attenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would use both.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely use both.
		Of course, there's nothing like the Select Attenna for incredible gain.
		It's the most amazing device I've ever used.
		How about you?
unidentified		I have found it fascinating.
		I mean, I use it with, as I said, the CC Radio Plus, even the Yacht Boy 400.
		Oh, well, many, many other radios, too numerous to mention on this show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Select Attenna is a unique device.
		It actually was the first thing the Seacreen Company ever sold.
		And it was originally invented as an aircraft direction finder, believe it or not.
		And they found out, oh, my God, look what it does with a radio.
		And so they modified it a little bit.
		And it doesn't use batteries.
		It doesn't use anything like that.
		It's just a large inductive antenna that couples.
		You put it next to your radio and tune it.
		And, oh, it'll increase your sensitivity, your radio sensitivity many, many times.
		You will hear things you would never hear otherwise.
unidentified		Well, I agree.
		I pick up Baltimore from here.
		We're about maybe 200 miles.
		But sometimes I just would like to pick it up better.
		And I also have a devilish time with a TV interference.
		I don't know if there's anything that can help that.
		I understand that, but I'm a realist.
		But I'm a baseball fan, and I'm an AM listener.
		Of course, if you listen to Coast to Coast AM, you almost have to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Someday those old TVs will die.
		All of the old ones that make the noise will die and go away.
		And we'll have a new breed of noise.
		Now, of course, we have the newer plasma televisions, and they do create Electronic noise, warning to fellow ham radio operators.
		They actually emanate noise.
		When I bought my plasma, I actually took a little radio down.
		The guy in the store thought I was out of my mind.
		And I put it on the shortwave bands and backed away from each one of the televisions until I found a particular model that did not radiate like a bandit.
		And that's the one I went for.
		Buster the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm Charles.
		I'm Kawhi.
		I've invented an energy source that absorbs random thermal radio noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've invented a device that absorbs random thermal radio noise?
unidentified		Yes, this is a diode array works, and it aggregates the noise of many diodes which are aligned the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of this.
unidentified		Yeah, it's been me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		A diode array, which virtually is collecting free energy.
		And you, sir, are offering to send me some kind of little toy or something that will demonstrate this?
unidentified		Yeah, I was thinking about the easiest thing I could do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But listen, man, you've been talking about this for years.
		And, you know, I've been begging for the toy for years, just any little demo.
		And you're still talking, but I don't have the toy yet.
unidentified		Okay, I'll try to make an electromagnet.
		That's easy for the prototype.
		I'm by myself, and somebody gave me a quote of, well, I can't really say it over the radio, but five figures to make a prototype with the nanotechnology network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll try.
		All right.
		Well, he's been calling me for years now.
		Years.
		And it's not that I doubt, but I do want to see some kind of proof.
		Some little something, even a toy, that is demonstrating over unity in some manner.
		So, you know, quit calling the show.
		Send me a toy.
		Then I'll have you as a guest.
		You're on the Air Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hey, Mr. Bill.
		How you doing?
		My name is Dave calling from Columbus, Ohio.
		Yes, sir.
		Just wanted to tell you a little story about a hunter house.
		A buddy of mine, Doug, grew up in.
		They lived there about 17 years, and all the family members and laws and everything swore they saw all kinds of things.
		I had a little strange intention of having them myself.
		Anyway, they moved out, and they've been out for a few years now.
		And I wasn't aware of EVPs and stuff like that back at the time that they lived there.
		I was curious, if I was to go to the doorstep of this house and ask them, you know, if I could come in and do readings or whatnot, if they got wise to the fact that I knew the family who lived there before, would you know, like, would that infringe on the contract somehow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really can't answer that.
		You mean if you inform them that they live in a haunted house, that's what you're saying, right?
		Yeah.
		I wouldn't do that.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think I'd do that.
unidentified		All right.
		I'm just curious.
		I don't believe anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, believe it or not, there are legal tangles that develop.
		And if you actually live in a haunted house, I believe that it is incumbent upon you in many places to inform the potential buyers that you live in a haunted house.
		So I think the better policy would be don't tell.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, sir.
unidentified		I just can't believe it as I prayed before I got on, and I said, Lord, if I'm supposed to be on, let me get through.
		And I've never called before.
		And this is my first time calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Lord has done well by you here.
unidentified		I guess so.
		Anyways, I just had something to say about Prophet Yahweh.
		Ah, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prophet Yahweh.
unidentified		Yeah, what I have to say is actually there's a scripture that talks about how the false prophet will call fire down from heaven and he'll deceive many.
unidentified		And so they're actually in the interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said a lot of people wanted him dead.
unidentified		Well, it's not that I would want him dead, because that's none of my business.
unidentified		It's just that I wouldn't trust what he says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about what he says, but when he's able to stand there, call the TV crews in, and produce a UFO, it's impressive.
		To me, I'm impressed.
		I'm definitely impressed.
unidentified		That's the whole idea.
		It's impressive, though.
		But if you also think about Elijah was taken away in a chariot of fire, and now he's calling fire down from heaven, the same thing.
		There's a dark side and a light side.
		So actually, what I'm saying could be blasphemy if it's not true.
		So I'm taking a chance just by saying it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your immortal soul is in.
unidentified		Yeah, I hope.
		No, I don't mean that.
		I don't mean that.
		Everybody can be forgiven for what they do wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's just watch this and see how it plays out.
		It is, based on what he's done so far, very interesting.
		So we'll see how it plays out.
		And the next week in my particular area of the world, the Southwestern Desert, should be a very, very interesting week.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		D. From Las Vegas, man.
		On a lighter note, I'm this prophetic guy here in our hometown, man.
		It's like, let's look at it this way.
		Like, let's say the Zayden Reticulans, they travel in an immense galactic area to come not to Disneyland, but to Las Vegas.
		You know, we got the rooms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, sir, what comes here stays here, right?
unidentified		What happens here stays here?
		What happens here stays here to an extent?
		I mean, just think about that, a spaceport in Las Vegas?
		Workers at Sherry's Ranch, you know, that could be insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
		Why not?
		This is such an unusual place we live in out here.
		It's unlike any other.
		It really is.
		Nevada itself is an unusual state, a wondrous and unusual state that doesn't follow along very much behind its neighbor.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Larry in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Larry.
unidentified		Hey, I've got an idea about why the American media has not picked up on the Russian UFO deal yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do tell.
unidentified		Because they're afraid if they do pick up on the Russian UFO deal, it's going to force the American government to release all the information they have on UFOs, and they don't want to release it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a good point.
		In other words, there would Be a comparison made.
		Gee, the free, open Brazilians, or Russians, and the tight-lipped Americans.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		That could be it.
		Some sort of directive from the top.
		You know, the guys with the rings and the handshakes, all right?
		I wouldn't know anything about that.
		Western Rockies, you're on here.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Phil from Make The Dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just wanted to give you a call.
		I actually spoke to you back in 94 about a UFO I saw in Las Vegas.
		But the reason why I'm calling tonight was the collective consciousness that you have been discussing a lot lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And how people or the Mayan calendar and year 2012, could it be that we all are going to collectively consciously or collectively consciously make this the end of the world happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make it actually happen.
		You know, I've always thought, you know, maybe the Mayans got sick of making calendars.
		Who knows why they stopped in 2012?
		And we're making perhaps more of it than we should.
		But your point is a good one.
		And that is that it may be that collective consciousness actually precipitates events to occur that otherwise would not occur.
		And we could bring about the end of the world ourselves.
unidentified		I think that's what's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The monster from the id, right?
		That's what it is.
		The monster from the id inside.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		First time caller line.
		We're short on time, but you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, pleasure to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Andy, where are you and what is your first name?
unidentified		I'm in Truck Drivers somewhere in South Carolina on I-20 eastbound.
unidentified		My name's Terry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Terry.
unidentified		Hey, I saw one of your black triangles about six months ago.
		Yes, it was, I wasn't as close as you were, but I would guesstimate it was probably a couple of miles in front of me, moving across the horizon.
		It was about, from my viewpoint, about treetop level, and it was huge.
		I'm talking about like aircraft carrier size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Just slowly, just moving across the sky freaked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Colin Connaher reported quite extensively on this phenomenon, and you know what?
		They haunt the interstates.
		These black triangles actually haunt the interstates.
		And if it really was U.S. experimental military stuff that they didn't want seen, the last damn place they'd fly them would be over the interstates of this country to be seen by everybody.
		And, you know, so that none of this makes any sense at all.
		I give it a 50-50 probability that it's U.S. experimental secret aircraft.
unidentified		I was near Shaw Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're sort of always near a base of one kind or another, relatively.
		Why would they fly down interstates?
		Now, that doesn't make any sense at all.
unidentified		I have no idea.
		It freaked me out.
		I called the local airport in the area, and they said they didn't see anything on their radar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a thing.
		Nope.
		Yeah, I know.
		I was insulted even more than that after I saw, after we saw, my wife and I saw that triangle we saw.
		There was a story, a local paper consulted Nellis Air Force Base, and they said, why, yes, there was a secret mission that may have overflown the Prump Valley that night, and it was a C-130 aircraft.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What an insult.
		I flew in C-130s.
		Man, they'd rattle your teeth.
		This was no C-130.
		It didn't even have engines.
		All right, buddy.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good night.
		Drive safely out there from the high desert in the middle of the darkness.
		In the next hour, we're going to explore what the Russians have had to say since the wall came down.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		I'll tell you what I've done.
		I've sent the channel 13 link with the Yahweh video to Lex, theCoastToCoastAM.com.
		Webmaster.
		Lex, if you're listening, if you would please prominently post that so people can go take a look for themselves.
		You know, I admit, it's absolutely incredible.
		All right, on the same subject of UFOs coming up, Paul Stonehill.
		Paul Stonehill is accented because he was born in Kiev, the USSR, in 1959 and immigrated here to the U.S. in 1972.
		In his youth, Paul helped smuggle people out from behind the Iron Curtain, aided dissidents, smuggled banned literature into the USSR, graduated from California State University with a D.A. in political science, and wrote a thesis on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
		He's lucky to be here alive at all tonight.
		And also about UFO and anomalous phenomena.
		In October of 1993, Omni magazine featured a story about Paul's work and the research center that he had created back in 91, the Russian Ufology Research Center.
		After the fall of communism, his articles were published throughout Russia and the Ukraine.
		Since 1989, Paul has consulted for American television and motion picture production companies as well as corporate entities.
		His areas of expertise are Russian history, Soviet covert operations, corporate security issues for expatriate workers, warfare in the former USSR, cross-cultural training, anomalous phenomena in Eastern Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and China.
		He has published writing in the following areas, Soviet and Russian military research, paranormal phenomena, KGB and paranormal phenomena, underwater unidentified phenomena, mysteries of Soviet space programs, mysteries of ancient history, Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Mongol Empire, Siberia, time travel experiments in Russia.
		Wow, ghost trains of Eurasia, mysteries of ancient China, Soviet mind control programs, ESP and famous psychics, UFO phenomena in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltics, and China, anomalous zones in Eurasia, Russian cryptozoology, lost creatures of Eurasia, ghost trains of Eurasia, a new book to be called Paranormal Eurasia is seeking a publisher now.
		In a moment.
		Boy, that's a lot of area to cover.
		In a moment.
unidentified		Paul Stonehill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As promised, here is Paul Stonehill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paul, welcome to the program.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really good to have you.
		I mean, you have so much that people in this audience haven't heard before.
		I think the first question I want to ask you is the Russian people have always been fascinated with, to a much greater extent, the paranormal phenomena that goes on in this world around us, much more than we have.
		And why the particular fascination by the Russian people?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		First of all, the country itself was and is a huge piece of land.
		And you have reports coming from all over.
		Sometimes published, sometimes not, but people could exchange information.
		And whether it's the sense of the Gobi Desert and the huge worms that exist there, or the Arctic territories, or Siberia with strange animals sometimes, and reports of gigantic UFOs over the tundra, reports like that came from all over.
		And some people actually, thank God, put them down on paper through the ages.
		And once somebody like me starts putting it all together, you see astonishing patterns coming about and correlation between reports that go back a thousand years and something that happened under the Soviet eyes or the Tsarist secret police.
		Russian people themselves are just like anybody else.
		But they're maybe more inclined to read, to study culture.
		They have a belief that they have a special soul.
		Nothing graces, but they have special feelings about themselves.
		And maybe they're not as practical as some other nations.
		I think Ukrainians, where I'm from, are much more practical.
		And all this gives an impetus to study paranormal phenomena, among its UFO phenomenon, for example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a big fascination with it, though, among the Russian people.
		Anyway, why did the KGB send expeditions to the forbidden Kola Peninsula?
		Why was it forbidden?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It's forbidden because it has, officially, a lot of good resources that very few other parts of Russia would have.
		But also it has ancient artifacts that, you know, aged back, I would say, to the times of Stonehenge or before that.
		It contains ancient labyrinths, mazes that are as secretive, as mysterious as those ones on the Crete island and elsewhere.
		And they look identical.
		Now, such mazes are called Babylons.
		Who named them that?
		Nobody knows.
		But besides that, the peninsula itself may hide the ancient northern Atlantis.
		Something that Nazis were very much interested to and were trying to get to the peninsula.
		But even before Nazi Germany became what it was, in 1920s, the KGB sent special expeditions to study an interesting so-called psychic phenomena of the natives and at the same time to gather information about the strange areas around Lake Sid Ozero.
		Very, very enigmatic place.
		We don't know everything, but we do know that the expeditions went out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what were they specifically looking for?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		They were looking for, I would say, traces of whatever civilization existed there thousands of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they sent the KGB to do this, huh?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you see, the situation was that one of the heads of the KGB, it was called different at the time, but we will call it that.
		Gliaboki was himself very much interested in the paranormal and created a special laboratory under the guidance of the KGB.
		And he had psychics, he had people who had researched Shambhala.
		Barchenko was one of his top specialists, a very interesting person, a doctor, a scientist.
		And they worked hand in hand.
		But you see, they also belonged to a secret organization that wanted to promote paranormal brotherhood under socialist guise, but not a Soviet group.
		And in 1937, they were killed by Stalin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I...
		Is Pravda dependable from that point of view?
		I mean, it printed a story, you may have seen it, about an amazing sort of a mist in which a time travel seemed to occur.
		And a lot of stories like this come from Pravda.
		And I'm just sort of asking you if Pravda is generally dependable or is it full of a lot of BS?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		There is some BS, but Pravda today is not what Pravda used to be under the communists.
		I think it went bankrupt in 1991 and some private group purchased it.
		Basically what they do is they figured out that there is a lot of interest in Russian paranormals.
		And, you know, people see what I do, they become interested, and they, you know, to be modest, I'm not the only one, but I think here I'm an expert.
		And they put together stories and they publish them because it sells, it helps to sell the newspaper.
		Sometimes they're not very accurate, but I think they're trying to do a good job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have certainly been some strange stories over the years.
		Perhaps, for example, the story about the very deepest hole ever drilled in Siberia, that could be real or a hoax.
		I don't know.
		What do you think?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I don't think so about that.
		God knows there are enough paranormal stories about the strange lands of Russia and things that have happened there for thousands of years.
		But do keep an eye on Pravda.
		I think they published a very interesting story about a Caspian Sea amphibian creature, which is very interesting to me because I have quite a lot about strange amphibious beings that were registered by Soviet military.
		And so I like to correlate.
		You do get to pick up some interesting things from Pravda.
		They use some of the sources I do.
		My good friends, people like Nikolai Sobotin or Vadim Chernobov in Russia.
		So they do go after some good sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have, of course, a number of ongoing contacts then in Russia still.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		I do.
		It's not as easy today to get information as it was when the Soviet Union was falling apart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Russia is a state in search of itself.
		And the way the search goes, it's becoming more secretive.
		It wants to exert power.
		It feels vulnerable.
		And I'm not defending them.
		First of all, you know, Ukraine being an independent state is more something that I would, I don't want to say feel allegiance to, but I know politics of Ukraine, let's say, better than Russian.
		I don't want to stick my nose in something that doesn't interest me.
		But Russia today is feeling vulnerable.
		They're afraid of the NATO expansion.
		That's what they see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't say that I blame them.
		They went from an empire to sort of an isolated position.
		How is Russia now, and I suppose Ukraine as well, doing economically?
		Are they on the first steps getting back on their feet?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Russia has gone back to its feet because of oil.
		Oil has helped a lot.
		Now, the situation is how is the money distributed?
		I think Putin is trying to do the best he can.
		Russia could have a much worse leader than Vladimir Putin.
		And at the same time, I really hate what he was trying to do in Ukraine not long ago.
		And I was never hiding my views.
		But at the same time, I must say that this person is putting Russia together as a strong and powerful state.
		They have a lot of threats, or what they perceive as threats, and they have to pull together.
		At the same time, it reflects the new pride, the national spirit, and the army, which is not such a good army still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not such a good army still.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		They can't do one.
		They're very corrupt.
		They have the old Soviet army bosses that still run the army, and it's neglected.
		Young recruits are treated badly.
		They can't win a small war in Chechnya.
		And they're having some strides, but I wouldn't say that it's what it should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about this lake that we've been reading about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What can you tell me about it?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there are so many interesting lakes.
		Well, there is a Lake Ladoga in the area not far from St. Petersburg.
		That's a very interesting situation.
		For hundreds of years, reports came from that lake.
		Things, objects would come out and go back into the lake.
		Disks, gigantic cigar-like shapes.
		There are some strange things that happen at the very bottom of the lake that have been recorded.
		Now, in the modern times, we know that the Soviets and the Russians today have been conducting military experiments in the area.
		But researchers in that area, when they start correlating information, they can't understand what's going on.
		It definitely is not a military-related pattern of incidents.
		And there is nothing they can do, the military themselves do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think the military, along with everybody else, is just monitoring it and trying to figure out what's going on?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Nowadays, they may not even have enough money to monitor it, but they do know it's not theirs.
		Before, under the Soviet times, they had an excellent research, and I will try to bring it up.
		And in my book, I covered quite a lot.
		The book I talk about, I should mention it, it's something that I and Philip Mentel put together.
		It's called UFO USSR, and it's available now.
		And I'm very proud of the effort.
		We went after as many Soviet programs, research, secret programs as possible, and we put down names, dates, incidents.
		And the more somebody reads about it, the more fascinating you become.
		How the Soviets paid attention to the UFO phenomenon.
		They wanted to know what's flying over their missiles, over their nuclear silos, over the nuclear power stations.
		And you also find out how the United States intelligence community wanted to find out also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course they did.
		Paul, we had an incident, a very large incident, in which discs appeared over and disabled some of our ICBM sites in this country.
		There was a similar story, which I saw, and I'll never forget, about Russia, in which discs hovered above Russian ICBM sites and actually initiated launch sequences.
		Is that a true story?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		The story is true.
		1982, Ukraine.
		And I basically come down to it.
		A nuclear war could have started any moment.
		And that's one of the more sinister cases, but by no means the only case of an ICBM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that's not all.
		But I want to be straight on what actually did happen.
		The story I got was that these ICBMs actually went into launch sequence.
		The countdown began.
		They couldn't stop it.
		ended up ripping out consoles and checking everything out and never did find anything wrong i mean it says is that basically now You're right.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And that's what happened.
		And few people got gray hair because of that.
		But the situation is that years later, for some reason, they're trying to change the story.
		Some of those involved.
		Not all, but some.
		So, you know, yes, in 1982, you know, you almost had a nuclear war that was triggered because the launch costs for the ICBM seldom definitely, you know, enable, and nobody knows how.
		And it was a gigantic UFO.
		I don't think it was more than one.
		It was over an ICBM base in Ukraine.
		And somebody named Boris Sokolov, who was part of the secret research, military research program, who told that story years ago, today is trying to change it.
		And he may be under pressure.
		I don't want to discuss why.
		What I do want to say is that people like Mr. Ploxin, who was a liaison between the civilian and the military branches of the program, he comes out and says, oh no, what happened did happen before.
		And there is a lot more to talk about.
		And this guy is a colonel.
		He's the leading paranormal phenomena expert of the Russian Defense Ministry.
		So you can see that nothing is clear, nothing ever is in the Russian UFO or paranormal research.
		You have the state secrets mixed together.
		You have different interests.
		But one picture comes out.
		No matter what anybody says or denies.
		Strange objects have been sighted over Russia for thousands of years.
		I mean it.
		Under the Soviet times, they have buzzed over most secret Soviet installations.
		Stalin wanted to know what they were.
		Khrushchev wanted to know people after them.
		But they did know enough not to attack them too often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		Paul Stonehill is going to tell us the Russian secrets.
		They're out now.
		Most of them are out now.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		You don't have to go.
		I'll open up your gate And maybe tell you'bout Praetor And how she gave me life And how she made it end Some velvet warning when
		I was trained Flowers growing on our hill Driving flies and daffodils Learn from us very much Look at us but do not touch
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've really got to wonder what they were doing when they did what they did.
		I refer now to the objects that hovered over U.S. silos, disabling quite a large number of ICBMs, literally taking them out of service.
		They ripped everything up, never could find the cause for it.
		But then imagine an officer in the Soviet rocket service down in his silo, watching the code being entered and watching the launch sequence to the end of the world begin as the saucers hovered right above your facility, watching the beginning of the end of the world.
		That must have been some experience.
unidentified		The End I wonder if the message was simply, we are in control of what happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can cause war, or we can stop retaliation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, but I'll bet you at the highest levels, both here in America and in the Soviet Union at that time, a lot of wondering about all that went on, huh, Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I am sure, and like I said, this was not the only time.
		The message has been sent many times in the Soviet Union, as an example.
		Gigantic objects appeared over Soviet nuclear submarines.
		Soviet nuclear submarines were chased by huge, super-fast objects under the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You also have quite a lot.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		We have a huge chapter in that book, UFO-USSR, dedicated to the underwater phenomena.
		Because we've been able to collect so much from interesting sources.
		The bottom line is, through this history of the Soviet Navy, you had objects that approached Soviet submarines, the so-called croakers, who would emit strange sounds but never harm the submarines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Croakers, you called them croakers.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Croakers, because they emitted sounds like croaking, like a frog would do, you know, similar.
		And the Soviet submariners were able to record such, and they were so apprehensive about it that they had created a special program to study it.
		They wanted to know what danger such objects would, you know, make for Soviet submarines.
		But that was not the only incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paul, are you sure these croakers were not biologicals of some sort?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		If so, then we have many life forms on this planet that we know nothing about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And I think the more I study Soviet and Russian UFO phenomena, the more I'm convinced we know very little about our own planet.
		And there are life forms next to us that study us, and I want to see if we present any danger.
		And I think humans do present quite a lot of danger with ecology and so forth, because you can see UFO incidents reported over Soviet areas where Contamination has occurred, or Chernobyl, or the Urals, where Soviets conducted secret tests and experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a very strange story going around right now about the children in the area of influence at Chernobyl that they have somehow higher IQs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a ridiculous story?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think what they have is a higher incidence of cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard, yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, I've just spoken to somebody a few days ago from Belarusia.
		This was the area most affected by Chernobyl's tragedy.
		And it's horrible what's going on there.
		But, you know, people come back.
		People have nothing to live on.
		So they go back to the villages around the area and they settle there.
		And, you know, they take the consequences.
		What else can you do?
		There are so many poor people.
		The economies do not work for the most part.
		If we go back, you know, any subject we touch, there's always some secrecy involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since we're touching Chernobyl for a second, Paul, do you know what the true state of Chernobyl now is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard these, you know, 60 Minutes here did a big report on the crumbling structure, the sarcophagus over Chernobyl, that it's just disintegrating.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It is, and it's in a very dangerous state.
		But I also know that the United States government, now that Ukraine has changed a lot, U.S. government is going to give them a hand.
		And it's a good thing.
		But you should also know that Chernobyl, long ago this incident, there were reports of malfunctions and the Ukrainian current KGB, what it is today, they've published some reports about it.
		We have some in our book.
		It's horrible.
		They knew what was going to happen and they did nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They knew what was going to happen?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's put it down this way.
		They knew a malfunction can cause a very bad incident.
		And nobody got burned for that except people who received radiation.
		You haven't seen any court cases in the former Soviet Union?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't seen anything like Nuremberg process in Germany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many things of this magnitude seem to end up that way, like it's nobody's fault.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But you know, they really messed up the ecology of the Soviet Union anywhere.
		And they did secret underground nuclear tests, and they've experimented on people and others, you know, through the Soviet history.
		Sometimes more, sometimes less.
		But no matter what they did, they had UFOs registered over their most secret test sites and, like I said, nuclear power stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Paul, the whole UFO thing seems to have gone up and out of control after we exploded the first atomic bomb.
		Look where the sightings were, and look how close all of that was together.
		It seemed to begin then.
		And isn't it reasonable to assume, Paul, that another intelligent race would take very careful note of the first use of an atomic bomb and then monitor very closely after that?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But I also must go back in history, into 1908, the Tunguska over Siberia, when something strange exploded or imploded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was talking about that in the first hour.
		Something is wrong with that whole story of Tunguska.
		Something's wrong.
		I mean, you have this giant explosion that, it's my understanding, of flattened trees in a 40-mile circle, roughly.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Thousands of kilometers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thousands of kilometers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there was no impact point for anything.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No, but quite a lot of consequences for the Earth, from the disturbances in the magnetic fields to strange weather throughout the Earth to a high birth of geniuses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I really want to talk about this a little bit.
		Let's back up a little bit.
		who said them magnetic disturbances uh...
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		this created my magnetic disturbances that were recorded or known in how are they Well, Siberian institutes and other entities throughout the world had recorded strange readings of the disturbances in the magnetic field of the planet.
		And they've jotted down, and people who had studied the area, who had studied it, whether with an intent or not, were amazed, scientists, of what's going on.
		It's something strange.
		It's an object that, like we said, flattens 2,100 square kilometers of forest, leaves no craters, no obvious fragments.
		Nobody knows what it was.
		But I know that it has caused subsequent mutations.
		And there was an ecological impact.
		There has been so much, and we still don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Magnetic disturbances, mutations, all of that sounds like radiation, doesn't it?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Some of it.
		But it was more than radiation.
		It was obviously more.
		I just wanted to let you know that one of the most interesting consequences was that in 1908 in Russia, a number of geniuses was born much better, and not only in Russia, much larger than subsequently or previously when it was recorded.
		Somebody did a study like that.
		You know, you had tens of millions of people around the globe who saw what the aftermath was.
		You know, the night itself has disappeared to the west of the explosion, to Western Siberia and Europe.
		There was a darkness for 72 hours.
		You never had it before.
		You know, you had a few nights over Northern Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had darkness for 72 hours.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		There were several nights over northern Europe when the sky glowed enough to light the streets of London.
		The Irkutsk Observatory, that's in Siberia, they had reported disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field 900 kilometers southeast of the epicenter.
		That, you know, it was the local, in that area, geomagnetic disturbance was similar to some effects that follow middle and high altitude nuclear explosions in the atmosphere.
		But there was some kind of delay.
		It occurred after the explosion, such as disturbances.
		The book, let me do this.
		I need to tell you something.
		In the book, we have a lot of data.
		I won't be able to tell you one fifth of what we have.
		I do want to keep me as long as you want.
		But if you don't mind, let me tell people where they can read more about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		The book is available now.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And to get it, you need to call 888-953-2665.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
		What was the first part?
		800?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		888.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		AAAAAAA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the number is 888-953-2665, right?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the book that you want to get is The Soviet UFO Files.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No, UFO USSR.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		That was my first book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They should have put that down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UFO USSR?
unidentified		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And now, you know, I'll let people know maybe later again, but now you can ask me whatever you want.
		Because I just want to let you know that there is so much information.
		Military reports, intelligence reports, Soviet space, Soviet cosmonauts reports about UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But based on what little I know of Tunguska, it's so interesting.
		None of it adds up to a meteorite, which would normally be nickel and iron and some other things.
		And it certainly wouldn't produce magnetic disturbances, I would not think normally.
		It certainly would not produce radiation-like mutations of humans and plants and animals.
		Something else happened over Tunguska, not a meteorite.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		We give hypotheses.
		We present all hypotheses.
		One of them was given by a Russian scientist who unfortunately was murdered in 1995.
		And he states, and we give his reasons, two objects actually collided over the Tunguska.
		And those huge objects were extraterrestrial spaceships, nuclear-powered spaceships.
		And the explosion was such as to cause the consequences.
		But there is also something else you need to know.
		1908, June 30th, when it happened, was the day when it would take the shortest time to get to Earth if a spaceship started from Mars or Venus to get to Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now that's a pretty big stretch, Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say that you know that two extraterrestrial craft exploded over Tunguska or collided over Tunguska, I mean, how do you know that?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		No, I don't say I know.
		But we put down reports, scientific studies, and measurements of the objects that were flying from different directions.
		Who said it?
		When?
		I mean, we want to be very detailed because this is the most interesting UFO incident in the whole Russian history of the paranormal phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it supposedly a complete annihilation of both objects?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there subsequently anything ever found?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Some people claim that there have been finds.
		There is a Russian scientist that claims that last year he was at the site.
		He found something.
		He wants to come out with the report.
		We mention his name too on what he has.
		I don't like to speculate.
		I like to see things.
		That's why.
		And I was very much interested, Art, to find out that Joseph Stalin sent special expedition to the site in 1949.
		We don't know what he collected, but he was very much interested.
		This guy was Noah Nansen.
		He knew what he wanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stalin?
		Oh, yes.
		Well, have any of these files been made public?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Some research documents are public.
		Stalin's files, I don't think we'll ever see them.
		It's a state secret.
		But things leak out.
		You can't have complete secrecy in such a nation.
		Too many people knew things, and they come out.
		And that's how we were able to find out about strange expeditions to the site, you know, just a few times after it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do believe that people who study Tunguska will come up with a gigantic question mark about the so-called mainstream story.
		It just doesn't add up.
		None of it adds up.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		None of it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you've really documented the fact that a very large number of geniuses were born in that area following that explosion.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		There is more.
		There is more.
		And once we get into the area of the intelligence, of foreign intelligence interest in the area, you will read about the MI5 and one scandalous story.
		We'll also get somehow to the SDI research and scientists who had disappeared in England, a number of scientists who had studied UFOs.
		Now, the British were, I'm sorry, SDI research, not UFOs.
		The British were very much interested in what was going on in Tungaska and in the so-called comet weapons.
		True or not, I don't know, but I have to present information available to us.
		And it all ties in, and at the same time, it still is one of the biggest mysteries there can be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, your conclusion is that two actual ships collided, producing some sort of radioactive explosion.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Not my conclusion.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Conclusion of one of the top Russian scientists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with that conclusion?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes, based on, I believe it's credible based on the information available.
		But there is also enough information to think that it might have been a launch of an object from the sky over Siberia to the outer space.
		And that information is also presented in the book.
		We also have information about a possibility that three ball lightnings got together.
		Now, I don't believe in it, but I have to put it down.
		And we try to use scientific explanations, meaning from scientists.
		However, scientists are not all of the same mind.
		We also like military reports, because military people were usually null nonsense.
		They wanted to find out if an object presented a threat to the security of their nation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		In America, we had so-called Project Blue Book, whose conclusion, by the way, was that whatever these things were or are, they are not a threat to national security and to our nation.
		And every time I hear that, I laugh.
		I mean, how could something that flies at speeds we can't duplicate in our own skies not be a threat?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But maybe we laugh, but maybe we don't know enough, you and I. Because I gotta tell you, Stalin basically wanted to know the same.
		And he got one of the best Soviet scientists, like Sergei Karalov and Keldysh, to study materials Stalin's agents obtained from the United States about Roswell, about a few other incidents.
		We don't know what.
		I wish I had glanced at that pile of documents that Karalov had in his disposal, and he had to give the answer to the dictator in a few days.
		And he did.
		Based on his knowledge and research, Sergei Karalov, one of the fathers of the Soviet space science, came to a conclusion that, yes, UFOs exist.
		Yes, they fly over us quite frequently.
		No, they don't pose an immediate danger to the Soviet armed forces.
		But this is only a tip of the iceberg.
		Because I know Stalin, based on my research, that Stalin studied this situation quite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know he told Stalin this how, since those files are sealed.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		How he told Stalin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how do you know he told Stalin this is Stalin's file?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		One of my best sources is a Russian professor mentioned throughout the book, very knowledgeable person, one of the top missile engineers.
		And he basically says that he was given this information, he was told this information by people who work with Karalilov, because this man was also with Professor Budakov.
		I'll give you his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		We'll pick this up in so much more.
		Like what Soviet cosmonauts have reported.
		Our astronauts are pretty tight-lipped.
		but some of the cosmonauts and i've put a bit misfits in outer space the the the
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps man with a slow four-fingered hand.
		Good morning.
		We're talking UFOs with Paul Stonehill.
		Paul is from Ukraine, and he's smuggled lots and lots of secrets out of what used to be the USSR.
		and we're going to explore them this morning.
		Astronauts, I had the privilege, of course, of interviewing Ed Mitchell, who walked on the moon.
		And interviewing a man who would walk on the moon would be, you would think, a very interesting prospect.
		And it was, in the sense that I got down to asking him, well, you know, when you were walking on the moon, when you were actually on the moon, what were you thinking?
		What were you seeing?
		What were you absorbing?
		And he gave the strangest answer.
		I mean, surely you would think that what you had done, going to the moon, would be indelibly imprinted in your mind.
		But it wasn't.
		In a lot of ways, he said, I have a hard time remembering a lot of what happened.
		I thought that's such a strange answer.
		You would think every footstep, every grain of memory from an experience like that would be indelibly imprinted.
		Many of our other astronauts act as though they're hiding something in the sense that they've had very difficult lives.
		Some with alcohol abuse, marriages that haven't worked out, a very difficult time with U.S. astronauts.
		And I'm not saying that it is that they are hiding some gigantic secret, but that's one possibility.
		And they make tantalizing remarks.
		well, anyway, let's find out if we look at the Russian side of things, and they've had as many people in space for longer periods of time than we have, and the cosmonauts report some kind of strange whispering or something, don't they?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Besides UFOs, strange objects in space, some of them come out with that.
		They also talk about strange whisper.
		And when you've mentioned the astronaut you spoke to, it kind of gives you an idea that somebody is messing up with their minds.
		And here is the story about whispers.
		More than one Soviet cosmonaut talked about it.
		Not all of them like to discuss it.
		It's one of the most secret phenomena that affects them.
		But basically, it's as if something, according to a cosmonaut, if something was standing next to them, let's say they are aboard an orbital space station, all of a sudden they feel somebody is standing next to them.
		There is a feeling that there was somebody invisible staring them in the back.
		And ideas come to their heads.
		And later, when some of them were not afraid to talk to each other, they found out that things were being whispered, whispered to them inside their conscience.
		Something like, you arrived here too early.
		You did it in the wrong fashion.
		Trust me, I am your ancestor on your maternal side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And they give information about the past.
		Of course, you know, Soviet cosmonauts are for the most part, used to be atheists and very hard, you know, hard-nosed people, no-nonsense people, and then they want to find out what happened.
		You know, and they exchange information, and basically they came to a conclusion that an alien intelligence using some kind of hypnosis is determined to prevent the mankind from exploring the outer space.
		And to convince the humankind that its sons and daughters in the outer space are not experiencing hallucinations, hard facts about their past are presented.
		Facts that they pick up from probing human brains, memories, and subconscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite an allegation.
		However, you know, Paul, we went to the moon.
		We walked on the moon.
		I maintain we did do it.
		There are some who say we didn't.
		I'm not one of them.
		I think we did.
		But it's as though after that, we, for some reason, decided that's it.
		You know, we'll put up communication satellites.
		We'll put up perhaps a space station orbiting our own planet, but that's it, baby.
		We're not doing anything else.
		And it's almost like something stopped us.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And you know Art.
		But we keep on coming to Mars.
		And we have a chapter in the book of the Phobos missions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		When they failed back in 89, at least one of them, after a huge object was photographed and a Soviet spacecraft was basically knocked out from the orbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw the photographs of that object, Paul.
		There is no question some gigantic object simply collided with this Russian spacecraft and kaboom destroyed it.
		Isn't that right?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		That's it, except the Russian object.
		And we'll talk about it.
		It shouldn't be called Russian.
		It's more American and Western than Russian, but we'll talk about this cooperation.
		Anyway, the object came back about a week later.
		It sends signals, and then it disappears forever.
		And the moonlit Phobos, the one that it was...
		It actually sent signals back to the Earth control.
		It came back alive, but nobody knows from Earth.
		And it's gone.
		After that, nobody heard about it at all.
		I have the Soviet reports, newspaper reports, and others.
		And I gotta tell you, they were very confused.
		And ideas were flying around.
		And people, Soviet scientists and top space people talked about aliens.
		Some, you know, in irony, some not.
		Because they could not explain why such a well-prepared mission would disappear in a very strange place next to Moonlit Phobos that some people believe is of artificial character.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me so much here, Paul.
		I mean, first of all, that this object transmitted after it was supposedly destroyed.
		Now, is there hard evidence of that?
		Do they have the records?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		All the records that are available are listed in the book.
		But to tell you more than that, because we have to go detail by detail, I name, give names, dates, reports, and quotes, because it's a very interesting subject.
		There is more to that.
		The Phobos II carried a special laser aboard among its equipment.
		They wanted to test soil on Mars and Phobos.
		And one of the top Russian scientists said, you know what?
		Whoever, if there are beings, sentient beings who live on the planet, maybe they don't want us to test our laser weapons on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Mars Lander carried a more refined version of the laser weapon, and it disappeared also.
		And the laser was made by the same Russian institution.
		I got to tell you, there is a lot of cooperation between our space program and the Russian space program.
		And this convinced me when I studied this Phobos incident, JPL scientists, based on the Soviet reports, were in touch, moment by moment.
		The spaceships themselves, the probes, were made in Western Europe, some of it in the Soviet Union, but it was a joint effort, by no means just the Soviet.
		And the more I study this phenomenon, the more I see cooperation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cooperation.
		I have seen the photographs, and so I can understand why the Soviet technicians Would be talking about alien intervention.
		How could they not?
		Based on photographs like that, but there must be more to it.
		In other words, you're saying there were transmissions afterward?
		And was there some kind of contact made?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Just I think it was just registered.
		The object, the probe registered itself, that it came back to life, and that's it.
		Of course, there might have been more.
		We just don't know enough.
		I go by available information.
		I don't have any secret contacts in the Soviet government or Russian government.
		I go by information that's available.
		We just know how to collect such information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, based on what information you do have, I really am very interested, and I bet the audience is too.
		Yes, I've seen these photographs.
		I saw the object.
		And how much do you know about what kind of talk went on in the Soviet Union about what had just happened to their probe?
		They believed absolutely that it was some sort of alien intervention.
		Certainly many people in this country.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No, not absolutely, but enough people of importance believed that an account has to be found of what happened.
		And even in the newspapers, they would say, it looks like aliens did it.
		Some were laughing, most people were not.
		And such important authority as Professor Budakov came out and said, he knew nothing what was happening in the West, but he was worried enough to say, we sent a mission to Mars, and it was a mission to study and explore and take military tests.
		Whoever lives on Mars would not like it.
		And this guy is one of the smartest people there are.
		He says, why did we do it in such a stupid fashion?
		He questioned.
		His reports were published.
		His questions were published.
		There were others.
		There was so much confusion.
		And as you can see, the Soviet Union fell apart in a year or two.
		Nobody talks about it anymore except for a few people like us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there some reason for that disintegration that goes beyond what we've all been told?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I think it's just politics and stupidity.
		But because of that, a lot of materials got lost.
		A lot of files.
		Some files came out, but also a lot of interesting files will never be found out.
		Somewhere, I have no doubts that some private interest in the West purchased them.
		i have no doubt that some of the most important government deep in the orient or the west got their hands and so that you are full file and paranormal files Believe me, I know some men who have unlimited amounts of money, Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would not be surprised that some of these men might be willing to spend their money on files like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying there's no question for a period of time they were for sale?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it is.
		It's not something that you will find on the Internet, but things like that find buyers.
		I know some of my contacts kept telling me that people come to Russia and offer money not only from the West, for example, of the Dalnikorsk incident of 1986, where there was some traces of an object that disintegrated.
		We'll get into it.
		They buy whatever was left behind, strange metallic bolts and other things.
		There is a market for it.
		It exists.
		There are people who are interested.
		I remember once, in 1994, I published an article about Soviet psi weapon developments and specialized weapons to control people's minds and so forth.
		I had offers.
		All of a sudden, people sent me offers.
		If you have this apparatus, we want to buy it.
		I was laughing.
		If I had it, I would destroy it.
		I don't need this junk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know, factually, Paul, about what the Soviets did, how far they got in mind control?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Quite a lot.
		They did quite a lot.
		I know they conducted experiments on soldiers from Afghanistan to change their minds about wanting to fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the methods that were used?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		electromagnetic uh...
		waves it's i i i i listed quite uh...
		It caused me a lot of headaches.
		But they do use a lot of electromagnetic waves and some other technologies.
		Crude.
		You know, there was no accountability, but at the same time, they wanted to keep it secret.
		My fear is that some of it got into private hands again as Russia fell out.
		And there were reports later in Russia, post-communist Russia, that this politician or that politician was trying to use it.
		I think our people were also interested in the United States government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure we were interested.
		Anything that could control mines.
		Do you have any idea how successful these efforts were?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think they were to the point of special institute studying it in Kiev, in Moscow.
		And I think they had enough to create specialized, what's the right word, devices, equipment.
		Again, nobody knows the extent of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, were they able to control the human mind?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Not to the extent to prevent the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
		Otherwise, they would be able to.
		There were plans to put such equipment aboard Soviet orbital stations and to direct it at the populations below.
		But because there was confusion in the 1980s and Gorbachev and Perestoika and everything, this has not worked out.
		But the people who wanted to do it have not gone away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you're telling me now, let me get this one straight, that they had developed it to the point where they were ready or had plans to put it on Soviet spacecraft aimed at the world's population.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		This was one of the plans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, this was the plan.
		And I believe I mentioned it later on in one of my articles in UFO magazine.
		And this was published in Russian media and not tabloid media.
		I mean, we're talking about names and dates.
		And there is quite a lot of interest in this so-called tarsionic weapons and mind control weapons.
		Again, nobody knows where things go for files fly to who buys what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea, for example, if something like that had been put into orbit and the trigger had been pulled, Paul, what actually would have happened?
		And in what way people would have been controlled?
		Do you have any idea?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I guess whole populations would have a change of mind and would follow a special line.
		You know, you can instill anything into people's mind with the right propaganda.
		And here you would have weapon, directed weapon systems.
		And I think you could do anything you want with people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it be really so specific that you could change people's political views, for example?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think it's quite possible.
		It's beyond my doubts.
		Look at James Jones and what he did in 178.
		And he had no weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's frightening to just even contemplate.
		Something as massive as a space-based mind control weapon?
		That's incredible.
		I hadn't even ever considered it before.
		And you're telling me not only did they consider it, but they had plans to be doing it.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's good that they were not able to.
		In my heart, I believe they were not able to.
		Only because of confusion.
		And there wasn't anybody like Stalin who would put his fist down and say, do it.
		And they would do it.
		And Gorbachev was no Stalin, of course, nothing.
		And people after him, Yeltsin was nothing.
		He might have had the secrets, but he was drinking too hard to, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Russia's been certainly through a very strange time recently.
		Its political history, recent political history is very strange.
		You know, and when I visited Russia and I did Paul, I found that many people there actually yearned for the way it used to be.
		They yearned to have the iron fist once again.
		They actually missed it.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It's not even so much the hard hand.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		You have to understand, in the last 20 years, almost 20 years, everything has changed in the lives of the Soviets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And of course, some think that an iron hand, that if Stalin could be cloned, he would bring everything to order.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But he would also bring concentration camps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And you can't escape it.
		Now people know.
		You could say, well, before we never knew.
		Look at Russia.
		Most people live in poverty.
		They've lost the empire, like you say.
		But they didn't call it an empire, but they've lost a way of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was an empire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It was.
		No, I'm not saying it wasn't.
		That's not how the Soviet people viewed it.
		They were told they live in the best place in the world.
		Very few of them had a way to find out it's not so.
		Day after day, they put ideas in our brains that we live in the best place in the world.
		I was a kid in a Soviet school and they say, eat bread.
		I mean, eat your lunch, eat your bread, because people in America don't have enough to eat.
		It's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know.
		They told these stories.
		And of course, modern technology came along and slowly but surely made them liars, didn't it?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		People started finding out it's not so.
		The things that happen in the world, you know, maybe we live in the worst place, and they do not.
		It's like North Korea today, you know, they believe the same thing.
		Maybe the Soviet Union was not to that extent, but people believed a lot of the things.
		And they could see that life was getting better after World War II when Russia was basically destroyed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there, Paul.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		Fascinating stuff.
		It really is.
		Paul Stonehill is my guest.
		I wonder if any of those spacecraft, perhaps just one step from being activated, well, gee, they might well still be in orbit if they really got there, huh?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Close your eyes for a moment.
		Picture in the cold, dead, quiet of space.
		A Soviet-era spacecraft.
		Still very much alive.
		Still very much orbiting the globe probably about every 90 minutes.
		With something on board that would create a magnetic pulse.
		If trained properly on the Earth's population, that would affect mind control of, well, perhaps an entire continent or something like that.
		And that's which, as yet, hasn't been thrown.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I very, very much doubt to this very day we at all have a good understanding of the kinds of things that the Soviets might have had in orbit, and for that matter, might still be in orbit.
		For example, Paul, there was a very large, regular news story about Russia promising a Southeast Asian country, which at that time was undergoing terrible fires.
		I mean, just thousands and thousands of miles of timber was burning.
		And I believe it was Russia that offered to create a cyclone with one of their satellites.
		They claimed they could create a cyclone and would do it free of charge the first time to put out the forest fires.
		And that ran in the world's press.
		Was that a true story?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I'll answer you this way.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		The Soviets had conducted a lot of experiments in the sky to create weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Some of them, because of our research, we have found out stories about so-called clouds.
		The clouds have appeared throughout Soviet and Russian UFO history, and they're very interesting and sinister objects of different dimensions and formations.
		Even Soviet secret research to study UFOs, the so-called Sievka research, they received reports about clouds.
		They couldn't do anything to understand what they are.
		And I don't think that you had a clash of two bureaucratic systems.
		Secret research there and here, just not knowing what happens.
		To answer your questions, they were doing experiments in the atmosphere.
		And some of them were mistaken for UFOs and whatever consequences they caused were not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of experiments do you know, Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		They were trying to seed clouds, so-called clouds.
		But as a subterfuge for that, we know that they were working on the so-called plasma weapons, something along the lines of our SDI research, but maybe more profound.
		They wanted to make sure that they create a system that would interdict missile flights.
		And, you know, this is what they were doing.
		And some of this could be mistaken for UFOs, not everything.
		The Soviets themselves did not know, did not understand everything that happened in their atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea how far the Soviets got with weather control?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think quite a lot.
		I think they've gotten quite a lot.
		But again, if they had succeeded completely, they would have been able to change weather patterns in Siberia or Russia.
		But you can see today that they have the same problems as anybody else does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they would have really changed the weather had they that power, but they actually did claim they could create a cyclone, and they claim they could do it by satellite.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but until we see results, we don't know.
		Also, please understand that so many findings of their experiments, I'm sure solid findings, were never implemented because there was not enough money or there wasn't anybody with a strong hand to say, with a strong fist to say, go ahead and do it.
		That's the same problem.
		They had brilliant scientists, but bureaucratic system.
		Communism in itself cannot survive anywhere because it's a contradictory system.
		You have to give people initiative to be who they are.
		You can't put limits on people's minds.
		You can't tell people whatever you see in the sky, you don't see it.
		It's nothing.
		Like they told Soviet soldiers, don't report UFOs.
		1972 to Arctic areas of the Soviet Union.
		They say, whatever you see in the sky, it doesn't exist.
		Don't tell us.
		So the soldiers would be laughing and say, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't tell us.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Don't tell us.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they paired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was some story about an ugly child that actually fell from the sky when some strange craft was reported hundreds of years ago.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the most interesting stories.
		It was, I think, in the 14th century.
		Not far away from Kiev, where I'm from.
		A strange object was reported.
		It stayed for weeks in the sky.
		It was a dark red, sinister sphere that emitted rays.
		And then one day, using the old language, let's say, they said that an ugly child fell down into the river.
		And those who picked it up looked at it for many hours, but it was so ugly, so strange, so revolting to them that they put it back into the river.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An ugly than really an ugly child.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Small, ugly being, you know, let's using the mind of somebody from that time.
		And, you know, it could be an alien life form, humanoid life form, maybe something that was found in the Ural Mountains in the 90s.
		You understand how else people could relate to it, people of Russia 700 years ago.
		But what's interesting is that reports like that came from different centuries of Russian history.
		Reports of strange things in the sky.
		Back in 1921 AD, an Arab traveler, I always mention it, this story, traveled to Russia, to the Volga region.
		There was a kingdom.
		And he saw, again, strange clouds, he and his fellow travelers, strange clouds and scenes of battles in the sky.
		And he was amazed.
		And local people were laughing and saying, don't be afraid.
		We see it all the time.
		And then you go into, let's say, 18th century and a report of a spy, you know, a Western spy who saw this over St. Petersburg.
		Also something that looked, you know, a huge cloud that came over the area.
		It was April 2, 1716, 9 o'clock in the sky.
		The sky was clear.
		All of a sudden, a strange, dense, and dark cloud appears in the northeastern portion of the sky.
		Its apex was sharp, very sharp-like.
		Its base was white.
		It traversed the sky with great speed.
		And at the same time, from the north, another cloud, similar to the first one, appeared.
		It moved to the east, and it came to the first cloud, and they collided.
		And there was some sort of bright pillar that appeared between them and lasted for several minutes.
		This was a good report.
		Listen to this.
		Then both clouds crashed into each other with terrible force and appeared to have shattered from the strong impact.
		There was something else.
		There were flames, reported rays of flame.
		Also, eyewitnesses described that there was a giant shiny comet, you know, so to say, because they couldn't describe it any other way.
		It came, it was in the area, it appeared and rose to 12 degrees over the horizon.
		Very good report, still kept in the Russian archives.
		Those who want to find it will give the name.
		But something like that was observed in 1921 AD, and then, you know, 800 years go by, again clouds.
		And then we have reports of the clouds from all over the Soviet Union.
		KGB could not understand what they were.
		Soviet intelligence could not understand what they were.
		Russian scientists like Ploxin, whom I mentioned before, did not know what to do.
		There was a cloud in 1974 over one of the most secret aircraft testing sites in the Boris Aglievsk area.
		They could not.
		They had all the tools to study it and they could not.
		Giant immobile cloud over the area for a long time.
		They couldn't shoot it down.
		They had incidents when they tried to shoot down UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all very weird.
		This set of photographs that you've supplied for the website tonight, I'd like to know a little bit about them.
		This first one is kind of grainy, and it's a little difficult to see, but it appears to be some sort of gigantic machine doing what?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It's a movie prop.
		But people tried to make money saying it was an object shut down in 1983.
		And a lot of people believed it.
		Marina Popovich gave me the photograph.
		At the end, we found out it was nothing but a hoax story.
		But nothing is ever definite.
		Because when it was hauled away under great secrecy, you know, to a special institute near Moscow that actually studied UFOs, it was hauled away.
		Other things were reported in the institute.
		Information came out to one of the researchers, and we mention it, about a film that they also had in their hands that allegedly was produced by Hollywood, but they were not sure about an incident, a contact incident.
		So nothing is definite.
		But to give you the precise answer, this was a hoax.
		I wanted it to be there so people could understand.
		Things like that happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was a hoax, okay.
		As we come down in the photographs, we see not very good pictures, but pictures of saucer-like craft, right?
		By today's standards, of course, these are terrible photographs.
		What do you think of their authenticity?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Probably not so authentic, one of them, but the one from 1961, nobody could explain.
		It appears over a secret, again, another secret area from nowhere, and it appears in parts, and then it disappears.
		What was it, an American spy satellite?
		I doubt it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks like it's got a piece missing out of it, doesn't it?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And again, we only work with what we have.
		We have a lot more photos in the book, but not all of them are of the best quality, but they cannot be explained away very simply.
		And again, the first one, it's easy to explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the 1961 photograph, it's reminiscent of a couple of photographs that were taken not long ago.
		One lady took a photograph of something like this, just like this with a piece missing.
		It's very interesting, actually.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I'm more interested in the year 1961, but we can talk about it later.
		So many things happen in the Soviet Union, including Mr. Manzel's book, which was published and distributed all over the Soviet Union.
		You don't know who I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Donald Manzel, one of the biggest American debunkers.
		Maybe Manzel, I mean, I might not pronounce his name right.
		But, you know, the Soviet Union was trying to hide UFOs so hard that they would go ahead and print a book like that without any questions, without any doubts.
		I'm telling you, they had a lot of cooperation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where I was just about to go and ask you how much real cooperation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union at that time on the subject of UFOs there really was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all wonder about that, Paul.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think from the tangible information available, quite a lot.
		But I'm sure there is so much more we don't know.
		Again, some points come clear, like the Phobos affair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		We know about that.
		Also, the Manzel book, a few other incidents.
		I was also interested in the conflict situations.
		How much the CIA was interested in what was going on in the Soviet Union?
		Quite a lot.
		These cases.
		Just those that have been declassified.
		I can only imagine what the CIA is hiding.
		I've got to tell you, we go case after case.
		The CIA was quite interested in the research.
		Back in the 1950s, American agents reported back to Langley or wherever at the time about UFOs cited in different parts of the Soviet Union.
		And they were quite interested in the Iran-Soviet border and Chinese Soviet border.
		UFOs have been reported there for many years, even before the Soviet Union existed.
		But especially in 1960s, 1970s, in the hot areas, so-called hot areas of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing about this is, though, that if you imagine that these unidentified flying objects are man-made, as in Earth man-made, then that's exactly where they'd be flying over potential areas of conflict, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hot areas, as you put it.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		yeah but they've been playing their office with the centuries before when there were no conflict i still don't understand what And that's what some scientists believe, and researchers.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I just can't understand why such reports come back centuries after centuries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paul, with all the years of study you've done on the Soviet, now Russian side, Ukraine, all the rest of it, are you now convinced that some of the objects that we're seeing, that we call UFOs, are in fact alien spacecraft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any doubt in your mind about that?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I have no doubts in my mind that another intelligence, not maybe ET, but an alien intelligence is here and is watching us, is watching what we're doing to the planet based, again, on the reports, and sometimes is trying to interfere.
		And such, we can name Chernobyl.
		I can name a small lake in the Central Asia that can destroy whole countries below if it ever bursts out.
		You know, you have forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what you mean.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Lake Saris contains 17, I think, millions of cubic feet of water.
		It's being held in place by a dam.
		If that dam breaks down, water comes down the mountain, and with it, a number of countries below disappear because there's such a huge amount of water.
		It's a very strange formation.
		And Soviets, who had studied American STI tests in the atmosphere, they have a station.
		They had a station, a watch station in the area, and a lot of the reports they had was gigantic disk-like objects who would enter the waters of the Lake Saraz, go in and out.
		Why would they be interested in a lake on top of the Palmyr Mountains with nothing there?
		Would it be that they want to prevent natural catastrophe from happening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Why would they be interested in coming to Chernobyl during the incident and a little bit after?
		Is it true that they tried actually to put down the fire in the reactor number four?
		We have reports of people who were on site who swear that there was an object, a gigantic object, over the reactor and it actually helped abate the consequences of explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		I've heard none of this.
		I've never heard any of this.
		That a craft was over Chernobyl trying to mitigate in some way.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Art.
		We give dates, we give names, sometimes treaty addresses.
		The UFOs came back to Chernobyl years after because it was a mess.
		And they kept, you know, they were in that area.
		But not only to Chernobyl.
		Even the Voronish case of 1989, strange aliens reported nobody in the West talked about a Soviet power station, nuclear power station in the area.
		And UFOs sighted over there too.
		And at the same time, we find out it's not of the safest power stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paul, I would like to ask you, because I honestly don't know the truth about Chernobyl.
		How much land is now, cannot be lived on by man?
		How much land around Chernobyl?
		How much of an area around the country?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think in my heart, thousands upon thousands of kilometers.
		Because it's one thing what they say officially.
		It's another thing what is not being said.
		Sometimes not to scare people.
		But I do know that the whole areas Of Belarusia and areas in Ukraine, people cannot live there safely.
		Kids die.
		I mean, horrible news.
		We heard just a few days ago, we were told about young women in the area who died when they reach pregnancy, fourth month of pregnancy.
		As soon as they reach the fourth month of pregnancy, they die.
		And not one, but a few.
		And you know what?
		When I heard it...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the top of the hour, Paul.
		Hold on.
		When we get back, we'll try and get some of you on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		So much to learn and so little time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Paul Stonehill's book, which obviously would require reading, if you've heard any of tonight's program and don't want to read that, I'd be quite amazed, offers apparently quite a bit of proof for what it contends.
		It's called UFO USSR.
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		It's always fair to give a guest who is willing to come on and tell about these things.
		Sometimes you get a guest who comes on and says, well, you know, you want to know, read my book.
		Paul hasn't done that.
		He's stuck with us right through, so he deserves an applause, in my opinion.
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		Now, Paul, just a couple of other questions before we go to the phones.
		And one is here in the U.S., we have people and so forth who claim to have UFO fragments, pieces of crashed UFO craft that are reportedly hidden at certain air bases here in the U.S., physical evidence, that kind of thing.
		What has happened to the equivalent of that in Russia, in the Soviet Union?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, based on the report of Plaxin, who is one of their top researchers in the secret program, Sevka program, that they never had any fragments.
		They wanted to, but they could not.
		Based on some other information we have, there are people who have artifacts from the site of the alleged landings and maybe crashes.
		Some scientists, some researchers.
		I personally believe, and I put that information in my book, is that the Soviets had recovered something in their archaeological expeditions.
		They found things they never knew they would find, and they had studied them back in 1940 in at least two different places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean things they dug up, things in the ice, things in the ground.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
		In Ukraine and also in Karelia, an area not far away from Finland.
		They found things that are of ancient origin, things that are ancient rocket ships, if we believe what is being reported.
		And there is some confirmation on the objects they found.
		For example, a microchip that was An object which could not be explained presented to the Soviet academicians, top scientists in the 1950s.
		They couldn't know what it is.
		Today we know it's a microchip.
		It might have come from the space rocket or whatever it was that was uncovered in Ukraine in 1948 and cut to several pieces and taken to a destination unknown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1948, what an interesting year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're claiming they found a spacecraft, cut it up, and transported it.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't claim it.
		I report what I know.
		But believe me, it's quite interesting.
		And again, it's interesting that there's ancient Indian books written in Sanskrit and designs and other things found aboard.
		You know, it kind of leads you back to the Vimana aircraft and Mahabharata and a few other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure does.
		And boreholes.
		What are boreholes?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Things that are very hard to explain.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Boreholes that appear in the wilderness, out of nowhere, but they are reported to be in such places after a UFO sighting or an alleged landing in the tundra, in the mountains, where there is no equipment to make such boreholes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me they have found very deep holes where they think something has entered the earth?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Possibly to take soil samples.
		That's what it is.
		And we have a military specialist who had dedicated his life to such research.
		And there is a small chapter about it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of all the things that you researched for your book, what was the most amazing?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		The most amazing is the amount of information collected in the Soviet Union.
		And maybe mishandled, maybe not, but there are many, many sightings, very interesting sightings.
		And let's understand one thing.
		The Soviet Union was a totalitarian state, cut off from the rest of the world.
		Russian people were innocent, virgins, when it came to UFO tabloids.
		They didn't know what it was.
		So when they reported something in the sky or over their nuclear silo, they would not say, oh, this is something that was reported in 1947 by the Americans.
		No.
		They knew it was something that could not be explained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is in the research?
		What is so specific about Russian ufology that doesn't have anything anagolous here in the U.S.?
		In other words, it went in a completely different direction.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I would say the predominance of gigantic forms, especially gigantic shapes of UO4, such as cigar-shaped objects and huge disks, 200-300 meters in diameter, that appear over very interesting and very remote places.
		And unlike the United States, Russia is a much larger country, and I got to tell you, it has not been explored completely.
		There are faraway corners where nobody knows what's going on.
		But the reports come from those areas of UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		My name is Jim Tong from KFY, Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was wondering if your guest may have ever heard of hypersonic pulse.
		Supposedly when the Soviet Union bowed down and backed out of the arms race, everybody was saying it was because they couldn't keep up with the United States due to the money factor and the FBI.
		I come from a long line of military family, and naturally when they all get together, the conversation always goes to the military.
		I remember listening one time, and this retired colonel, uncle of mine, was saying that he just brought up that, he said, sound waves are an unbelievably powerful weapon if it can be used right.
		And he wouldn't elaborate a whole heck of a lot on it, but he actually sent an article that was written back in 1978 or 79, I believe, that the military had been testing this since the late 50s and early 60s.
		And it said that the article said that the technology that they were using was actually brought up or discovered through extraterrestrial or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's hold it at that sort of basic question that you began with.
		Rather than having essentially gone broke, was there some technology that the Soviets saw the United States begin to possess that scared them so badly or affected them so much that they just threw up their arms and said, we give up?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I think they were exhausted in the race, that's true, but not because of the technology, because the economy was not functioning.
		Socialism doesn't work.
		That's the bottom line.
		As to answer your question directly, I have reports, not reports, books from 1930s where the Soviets were describing their wish to have supersonic weapons or ultrasound weapons.
		But a wish is not a result.
		Nobody knows what secret experiments they had conducted and still do with this.
		I'm sure the Russian Navy is very much interested in anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I honor your answer and agree with your answer all the way.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		You're still the master, Art.
		And Paul, good morning.
		My question to you is twofold.
		Number one, I had read during the Soviet era, unofficially, that a fleet of Soviet bombers struck at a target in which there was very heavy UFO activity.
		And I wonder if over the years you had ever heard or read or unofficially Caught any glimpse of that type of story.
		And secondly, I saw a picture a number of years ago.
		I don't know if it was fraudulent or not, but it was a picture of a disc-shaped, large, very large disc-shaped object.
		And it was at a remote base with, at night, and the picture showed the Soviet symbol on the side of it.
		And I wonder if you had ever seen or heard of anything like that.
		And I appreciate your answer.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Number one, Soviet Air Force had a number of incidents where they encountered UFOs and were foolish enough to attack them.
		After they've lost a few good aircraft, the command came down, do not fire on UFOs.
		Never do that.
		In Central Asia, along the Chinese border, we can go into dates.
		It's in the book, but if you want more, I can tell you now.
		As for the second part of your question, no, I've never heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there is a history of the Soviets having shot at UFOs with apparently a poor result.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Poor results.
		1953, 1960s, some cases are so mysterious that nothing has been reported.
		We do know more about the case of, I believe it was 1980, during the Afghan, 1981, during the war of Saddam Hussein and the Persians fighting each other and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
		Somebody got nervous when he saw a huge disc over his military unit, which was doing a secret test.
		So he said, to help with the instructions, I'm going to shoot at it.
		And he did, and he suffered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, they lost, I believe at that time, they lost one or two aircraft, and he was demoted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But lives did get lost.
		They came a point when the Soviet high command said, no more.
		No, no, we don't want to touch them.
		And the Soviet top breath came out openly in 1990, during the Historica time.
		They came out openly and said, yes, there are huge objects that fly over Moscow, 200 meters in diameter.
		We send our aircraft after them, but we warn them, don't do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, Paul, how they would delineate or decide between a UFO and an American spy mechanism of some sort.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I think they knew a lot about the Americans, and vice versa.
		You know, let's not be naive.
		And not only Americans, the Chinese, too.
		The Chinese are very much interested and have been in what's going on on the Soviet border next to them, especially when they see UFOs over their land and UFOs over Russia next door.
		And Mongolia.
		We have an excellent report, 1953.
		That's an interesting year, by the way.
		I believe 1951 or 1953.
		I can't recall now.
		It's in the book.
		About a Soviet doctor who reported seeing a UFO landing, a huge disk, and strange beings that came from it.
		And the doctor was very scropa, you know, very diligent.
		She wrote down what she saw.
		I like reports like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like reports like that myself.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, Art and Paul.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from Delaware, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Listening to you from 610 WTVN in Columbus.
		Yes, sir.
		I was in the military, and of course I'm no longer now, but just before I was commissioned as a commissioned officer in the United States Army, we had our ROTC outing in West Virginia, and we looked up in the skies about 2 a.m. in the morning.
		We saw an oval-shaped object glowing in the evening sky, and the ranking officer, Major, told us, do not say anything about it, which gave us the thought that, well, there is possibility of you oppose.
		Second thing, in relation to that, there's an area between Plain City, Ohio, and Delaware, in Dublin, Ohio, which in the summertime there are disks being flown up above.
		You can tell by the lights, they are disc-shaped with helicopters hovering in the immediate vicinity.
		I was wondering if our government and also the Russian government has some type of agreement with the occupants of who were or used to occupy those crafts, training us how they use them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a very good question.
		We have our own reports in this country, indeed, of helicopters and the military being involved very quickly in sighting of craft and then even flying with them at times.
		Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe so.
		I don't know if there is an agreement.
		I would be surprised if there wasn't some kind of a joint agreement on how to handle the UFOs.
		But I got to tell you that we will listen to our report, Soviet attempts to actually communicate with some of the objects and the ways they did it.
		And actually, there was a response.
		Very interesting report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me about that response?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		They would indicate, they didn't go into all the details, but they would try to signal to UFOs and the UFOs would contract and enlarge in response to that signal.
		That's very interesting.
		I wish I had more information.
		I have maybe one or two paragraphs about it.
		Please understand, a lot of this is so secret that it doesn't leak out.
		But I think we have enough in the book about the military and the chapter about Soviet military and Soviet naval encounters to make people very much interested and to start thinking and to compare cases with other countries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's important.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, is this West of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Sorry, you had a beep right then.
		This is Celinda, and I'm in Southern California.
		Good morning, Art, and Paul.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I just wanted to tell you a story.
		I believe we've had the mind and training weapons for some time.
		My mother, some years ago during the First Iraqi War, the desert storm, was incapacitated.
		She couldn't walk well, and she spent 24-7 in front of the television set.
		And CNN at that time was broadcasting that war live in real time.
		And she saw a group of Jeeps, a rather small contingent of Jeeps.
		She estimated about 100 people altogether, including the troops.
		And they were out in the middle of the desert heading for some spot and apparently realized that dead ahead of them was a large army of enemy troops.
		And they got on the radio and they radioed back to their base for help.
		And just a few minutes later, these huge Huey-type helicopters flew right over.
		I mean, they filmed it.
		They flew right over, headed over the hills where these troops were waiting for them.
		And within, she said it was about 10 to 15 minutes, all these troops came up over the hills with their arms raised in the air.
		And she said there were several thousand and surrendered to about 100 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm with you.
		There were some things like that that occurred during Desert Storm that were almost just too much to believe about some of the surrenders.
		You know, you're just so right about that, ma'am.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Paul?
		I don't know if I can help much in this situation.
		Like I said, experiments were done.
		Soldiers died as a result, but at the same time, they were able to change minds of soldiers who went back cheerfully to the fields of Afghanistan.
unidentified		May I ask one other question, a quick one?
		Okay.
		I'm just real interested, since Russia has done the experimenting with the weather, if you or other Russian people that you know of have been experiencing what we are experiencing here and in Brazil and in Mexico and countries that I've been in, Canada as well, with all the lines in the sky and all of that.
		When they were doing their experiments, did they have that in their sky like we're having in ours?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Chemicals and stuff.
		But there is not enough information to make a precise conclusion because those are one of the most secret experiments.
		Sometimes they affected areas around and coincided with UFO reports.
		So we kind of think, we think that UFOs came to the area of the testing to study what's going on.
		It's very dangerous.
		We're messing with the atmosphere.
		One wrong step and that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very dangerous indeed.
		Hold it right there, Paul.
		We'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Day turned back, sky ripped apart.
		Day turned back.
		Ways we're dead by lights and leaves before those high.
		I took out that all was for but all I got to do is to love you.
		All I got to feel is to be happy.
		All it's got to take is something more to make it run away, run away, run away.
		All I got to do is do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
		All I got to be so...
		I'm going to go.
		You're leading me so long, you feel very great.
		I come back within you, forget and forget.
		Where's the love you once knew?
		Open up your eyes, hear you realize.
		Here I stand with my everlasting love.
		Need you by my side, girl to be my bride.
		You'll never be the light, everlasting love.
		From the very start, open up your heart.
		Be your happy heart, everlasting love.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You absolutely are getting a perspective and sort of a story on what's happened over the years in the Soviet Union when it was all blacked out.
		What's happening now in the former Soviet Union from somebody who really knows.
		Paul Stonehill.
		I'm Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here's Paul Stonehill.
		And Paul, I have a question for you.
		We had our program to put men on the moon.
		The Russians had a program to put men on the moon.
		What happened to the Russian program, to the Soviet program, to put men on the moon?
		A little mystery there.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, they um I know that they had developed the rockets to do it and uh quite a lot of the good equipment to do it, but apparently Brezhnev was against it at the end, officially, and that the money was not in it.
		And a number of Soviet space engineers were quite upset and people in the space race.
		But that's the latest program.
		Apparently, Stalin was very much interested in sending Russians to the moon.
		From different reports, from different quiet information sources, you can find out that something was going on, that Stalin had a special program, and the site of that program was actually where today's Chernobyl is.
		It was called Key of 17.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And just before the German Nazis entered into the area in 1941, it was taken away in pieces, loaded on trains and taken, I think, to the Ural Mountains.
		No one knows for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Ural Mountains.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		But Stalin was very much interested in this, and he had his own Ministry of Aviation Research under his control, as contrary to the other one that existed, whose leaders were sent to the Gulag.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are Stalin's papers so secret still?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Because they contained, according to the Soviet state secrets, I can only surmise that they have reports of programs that we can't even imagine or results from such programs.
		Plus, you have the legacy, you know, history is very much important in Russia, like everywhere else, but maybe especially so in Russia.
		And Stalin is a very, very delicate personality to deal with.
		Half of the country wants him back.
		Maybe a third of the country hates him, and another third doesn't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would like to believe that you're now in a country where that kind of thing doesn't occur.
		But for 50 years after the assassination of President Kennedy, nobody sees any of that stuff.
		50 years.
		Well, at least they put a number on it.
		We don't know when we'll ever get to see Stellon's stuff.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes?
unidentified		Yes.
		Oh, yes.
		I have a very serious question for Paul about the Mind War, a different aspect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, are you on some kind of talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of phone are you on?
unidentified		On a cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, get good and close to it and ask your question.
unidentified		Okay, I just wanted to make a comment first on if you want to know where it disappeared, maybe we should look at the Clinton Library in Arkansas.
		You know, I mean, because his Russian connections, and considering that China walked away with so many of our secrets, and everybody was busy with Lewinsky.
		But with the Mind Wars, Paul, I read a book over 20 years ago, and it was titled Mind War.
		And it talked about psychic experience and how children were taught from kindergarten on in Russia how to develop their psychic ability to the point of using that against America because we were so full of skeptics.
		We couldn't even discuss this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is true.
		That is true.
		We didn't even talk about it, although we did have our own secret programs.
		Paul, is that true to that extent?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No, they wouldn't use the children, but they had quite a lot of their own military researchers that they could use and did to an extent.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And I think the 1959 Nautilus story, some people believe this was an invention of the Soviet intelligence to fool Khrushchev into letting them expand their own programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In this country, Paul, we were treated just a very few years ago to an admission by the CIA that they had sponsored an entire unit for 20 years of people able to look for objects and things at great distances and describe them.
		Was there a similar program in the Soviet Union?
		No doubt there would be.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
		But let's understand one thing.
		Because of the stupidity of communism, they were afraid to admit paranormal phenomena for the most part.
		And people, those who had talents, kept them to themselves.
		At the same time, they had brilliant military commanders, like everywhere else, who wanted to use any weapons available at their disposal against the enemy.
		And they were doing their best to sponsor such programs.
		But time after time, Soviet institutions were disseminated, basically destroyed in a literal form.
		Those who wanted to study telepathy and hypnotic phenomena and so forth suffered.
		So you had deep secret research, and at the same time, you had people who were afraid to even wander into the direction of the paranormal because of communist ideology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Good morning.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Two great shows this weekend.
		Thank you.
		And Ms. Paul, thank you for sharing your information.
		And to get back to the space race and the moon, did any of this information that you ran across have any connection to the assassination with President Kennedy at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		Why not?
		Did you run across anything that came on to that subject, the assassination of President Kennedy?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Actually, no.
		actually uh...
		not really it would be a people And people read up as much as possible, but nothing secret was published in the Soviet Union as far as I remember.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on here with Paul Stonehill.
unidentified		East of the Rockies?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Oh, this is George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, George.
unidentified		Roar, Indiana.
		I am very honored to be on talking to you and Mr. Stonehill.
		Thank you.
		well mister stonehill nicola tesla was doing some experiments i think around that time and uh...
		i'm wondering if that What are your views on that?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		My views is that I list his research in the Tungaska chapter and what he was doing.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not against it, but I want people to make up their own mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, I think you and I may have read the same book.
		There are those who speculate that it could have been a small bit of antimatter just because of the nature of the explosion, the radiation observed, the defects in biological entities observed, the magnetic anomalies.
		It just doesn't add up to be what they originally said it was.
		You agree with that, Paul?
		Absolutely.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		It was no comet.
		Well, I don't know for sure what it was, but it was no comet.
		Nothing like that.
		It could have been Tesla's experiments.
		Nobody says no.
		He was doing it in 1908, and there are reports that he wanted to show his abilities, but he wanted to do it over a remote area, as Siberia was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he picked one, if that was it, and it was very impressive, though he did not claim it, did he?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Not as far as I know.
		There were some hints, but I don't think he outright claimed it.
		People would do it in his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm calling from Richard C. Hogan Country, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
		Welcome.
		Hi.
		Paul Stonehill.
		It's a pleasure to speak with you in part.
		I let him so happy you're back on the air for your weekends.
		I really am.
		Anyway, Mr. Stonehill, it sounds like you've done a tremendous amount of work, like a lifetime of work on this, on the UFOs.
		And you were talking a little bit about mind control.
		And that was the area that I wanted to ask a question about.
		And somebody else sort of asked the question, because a friend of mine who had a lot of equipment, he was a biologist and a psychologist.
		And he did 10% of his work in pain control.
		He had, like in the early 90s, alpha wave chambers, all kinds of much more sophisticated equipment than most people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and your question for Paul.
unidentified		He went to Russia.
		He was writing a book.
		He was collaborating with a Russian scientist.
		And it had to do with mind control over pain.
		And he was very happy.
		And within one month of coming home, he went in the woods and shot himself.
		And it's sort of, I was wondering, could it be because the attitude in Russia was against his work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, it's very difficult to comment on any single given case and outcome like that particularly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I can understand that somebody involved in control of the mind for pain might run into or be interested in the experiments of others who had done various forms of mind control as a natural course of their own investigation, right, Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		They had used, when I mean the Soviets had used medical institutes to run the secret side of the mind control program.
		Perhaps you could get Fate magazine to allow you to put my 1994 article on your site.
		I know that it was being used by a U.S. military college, naval college, as a reference material.
		I'm very proud.
		It's not the best, you know, it's a good research work, and now I would have read it much more.
		But I think even what you will see there will be enough to fascinate a lot of people and maybe answer some questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Brett.
unidentified		I'm from Kenneth, Washington.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This question is for both of you.
		I was wondering, with the retrieval of UFOs and everything, do you think that there was an influence on our technology?
		Because it sure did seem to explode after the 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An absolutely fair question.
		In other words, has alien technology been injected into our society in view of the way it's gone since about 1950, as he points out, or even earlier?
		It's been an explosion of knowledge.
		Maybe it's all our own?
		Or is there an influence from elsewhere, Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		I believe on the information presented in the book that you could draw that conclusion, and some do.
		There is a military engineer, a specialist by the name of Smirnov, who actually mentions Soviets using such technology for the enhancement of their rockets and engines.
		How to, I don't know, but he goes into great detail.
		Generally, I think it's quite possible.
		I don't think we know what transistors are even today and a few other scientific innovations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here we had a man named Colonel Corso.
		I'm sure you're familiar with that name.
		Yes.
		And he came on my program in a series of programs, Paul, and told me a very convincing story about how he was given access to extraterrestrial items that were then back engineers as much as possible.
		And when a use was seen in private industry for them, that knowledge was passed from Colonel Corso to an individual in private industry, things that resulted in many of the modern, amazing things that we have now.
		I don't know if that's true, but he told a very, very convincing story.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And I told you today about a microchip that the Soviet scientists had looked at in 1950s.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so it may have gone on all over the world for all we know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ponce Paul Stonehill.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, I would like, this is Dave, Hippie Dave, over in Madeira, California.
		And I'd like to ask the guest if he's ever heard of the Silva Mind Control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Silver Mind Control.
unidentified		I have a question for Art.
unidentified		When did you move from Las Vegas into your new studio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, over a decade ago, sir.
unidentified		That's when I started listening to your Geo go up and down that hill.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Paul?
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's never.
		Okay, that's the answer.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
unidentified		Hi.
		Listen, my name is Rocky.
		I'm a little afraid to talk to you.
		I'm worried I may be put in jail or an asylum or something, but I'm going to talk to you anyway.
		I know how they manipulate the weather and cause it to rain.
		Who's they?
		Well, people that put satellites up in the sky, whoever they are.
		The government or NASA, whoever they are.
		Basically, I thought of it at the time as a satellite that rotates.
		I was watching the news and they said they had upper turbulence and that was causing rain.
		So to be perfectly honest with you, I have an implant in me and I'm a little worried about talking about all this, but it caused a hurricane because they made, it was like a whip.
		It was a long, the satellite rotated and caused turbulence in the upper atmosphere.
		And it caused a hurricane at the time.
		Remember hurricane injury?
		It was just before then when it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they're probably going to hear you talking to me about all this on the air and burst your implant?
unidentified		No.
		Actually, those things could torture you via satellite because you're located with them wherever you are.
		And I got it put in the VA.
		I heard him saying they would put it in.
		Basically, they were taken off a mold at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think our own government, our VA, did this to you?
unidentified		Oh, I know they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate the call, sir.
		I'm willing to entertain the possibility of weather control or even, to some degree, mind control, but I don't know about mixing them and our own VA doing it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		I have a question.
		Does he see a relationship between demonology and ufology?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
unidentified		And also, if you could play the Siberian hole with the sounds of tortured souls?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not this moment, sir.
		But I will ask your first question.
		So what do you think, Paul?
		I mean, all across America, in the kind of fields that we're talking about this morning, subjects we're talking about this morning, there are many who believe that these things that we see in our skies, these things that we find completely inexplicable, are not the work of man at all or extraterrestrials, but rather demons.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're free to believe whatever they want.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		My research was mainly focused on what Soviet scientists and military specialists thought about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		So I don't want to even get into it.
		You may want to get into Third Reich and their research.
		I think they had a lot of demonology involved, but also very interesting results.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but certainly that's one of the possible answers to some of the apparitions, some of the things that are seen.
		It's got to be considered one of the possibilities unless we actually have a little green guy that we can interview to know there's an alien life form here.
		Short of that, that's got to be one of the possibilities.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Art, an alien life form could also exist at the bottom of the oceans, as Mariana Trench, Mariana Trench, and a few other places.
		And I've written about it, again, based on Soviet reports.
		And maybe we can talk about it some other time.
		But believe me, there is more than an EP explanation for an alien life form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, that's a place to end.
		You've been an excellent guest, Paul.
		Thank you so very much.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
paul stonehill ▲ ● ▼		And feel free to call me anytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Good luck with your book, Paul Stonehill.
		Ladies and gentlemen, I'm afraid that's it for this weekend.
		It's been a real winner.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
		We'll be here, of course, next weekend.
		Till then, good night all.
unidentified		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey Will take us on a ride Built with belongings Searching for the truth.
		We make it to tomorrow when the sun shines on you.

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