Paul Stonehill joins Art Bell to explore Russia’s classified UFO archives, including the 1908 Tunguska event—where a 200–300m object flattened forests without a crater—and Stalin’s 1949 secret expedition. Soviet cosmonauts reported invisible whispers during missions, possibly alien interference, while Stonehill dismisses grainy photos as props but cites recovered "ancient rocket ships" in Ukraine and Karelia with Sanskrit texts. Tesla’s experiments remain a fringe theory for Tunguska’s antimatter-like anomalies, though Bell links it to JFK’s assassination speculation. Stonehill’s research reveals Soviet mind control programs targeting military personnel and covert lunar efforts like Stalin’s "Key of 17," abandoned before WWII. The episode suggests Russia’s UFO history reflects both technological secrets and ideological suppression, hinting at broader implications for global paranormal research. [Automatically generated summary]
Americans, good morning, good afternoon, whatever you may be in the world for living time.
Every single one of you covered by this program post to post AMI Market.
I am privileged to be exporting you to this holiday weekend.
I suspect that quite a number of you able to stay up later than usual tonight.
Because Bostonio is going to be UFO-centric show tonight, actually, talking about what's happened in Russia.
You know, now that the Iron Curtain has fallen and is being sold as souvenirs, why, all the information coming out of Russia after all these years is pretty interesting stuff, and they've got a lot of it, and Stonehill will report on it.
Now, how many of you have heard of the Prophet Yahweh?
I think George interviewed him last, the end of last week, Friday or something.
You know, normally my inclination with this kind of thing, the Prophet Yahweh calling down UFOs and all this kind of stuff, is just give me a blinkin' break.
However, Channel 13 Television in Las Vegas, they're good people.
I know a bunch of them.
And they took the Yahweh story, I guess, seriously enough to send some intrepid reporter out and stand with Yahweh while he attempted to call down some UFOs.
And I don't know what you don't say any more than that.
I mean, other than give me a blink and break, you've got to give him credit.
The guy did it or got unbelievably lucky or something.
But sure as hell, it's quite a clear UFO, very similar to the second UFO my wife and I saw, a disc.
And it flitted about as no normal craft really could.
So I don't know what to say.
They caught it on film.
You can go to the Channel 13 website in Las Vegas and see it for yourself.
Word is.
This will be followed now by a whole flurry of UFO sightings in the Las Vegas area.
I could certainly consider myself in that area.
Even a little closer to Area 51.
So I guess it's coming over the next week if this is any indication.
World news.
What do you say about the French?
French voters soundly rejected the European Union's first Constitution Sunday.
A stinging repudiation of President Jacques Chirac's leadership and the ambitious decades-long effort to unite the continent.
Chirac, who had urged voters to approve the charter in the bitterly contested referendum, announced the result in a brief televised address said the process of ratifying the treaty would continue in other EU countries.
The French people are to say about the French.
Their capital, Paris, is lovely.
Ramona and I love it.
But the French people, boy, I'll tell you, the French people.
Very independent.
Iraq police fought pitched battles with insurgents Sunday as thousands of security forces backed by American troops swept through Baghdad's streets to flush out militants responsible for, as you know, killing more than 720 people now since Iraq's new government was announced back in April.
Insurgents lashed back.
They killed 30, including a British soldier and a senior U.S. military intelligence official, acknowledges now there are very few indications that they are, quote, packing their bags, end quote.
Kind of world we live in.
Six people, including two children, were found shot to death Sunday in neighboring farmhouses.
Investigators believe one of the dead was responsible for all the killing.
The same family owned both houses on a farm of several hundred acres.
Two bodies were found in one farmhouse and four found in another.
There is a current book out about the end of the world.
And Ramona will step in here any second and remind me of who I just read it and handed it to her.
It's one of the most unique end of the world books that you'll read.
And it's a kind of a, without telling you, and it is The Taking by Dean Koontz.
Thank you.
What can I say about it?
It's what a lot of people, religious people, I think, believe is going to happen.
Or maybe it'll happen this way.
Several of the world's leading international disease experts are calling for more international cooperation and a new kind of vaccine to prepare for a global flu outbreak that could strike one-fifth of the world's population and kill millions.
Since an outbreak has long been called inevitable, once a flu virus circulating in birds infects people and then just mutates a little bit so that it passes easily between people, while bird-to-human infections have, as you know, been happening in Asia, they have not yet spawned a major spread of the virus person to person.
Even an optimistic estimate now says a worldwide outbreak could sicken 30 million people enough to go to the hospital, kill about a quarter of those patients.
Researcher Albert Osterhaus of the Medical Center in Rotterdam said, the Netherlands and colleagues write in Thursday's edition of the journal Nature, other experts are saying, get ready, prepare for a global outbreak called a pandemic.
Now, here's a headline for you.
Chinese government admits to massive epidemics as World Health Organization granted sweeping new powers over all nations and peoples on earth.
Reports have reached us this morning confirming the recent reports of Russian scientists.
This originally came from Russian, you know, Pravda, stating that China has been battling numerous epidemics and they have not been reported to the World Health Organization.
After stonewalling for weeks, China acknowledged Friday that two epidemics had spread among its animal and bird populations, renewing questions about its readiness to provide prompt information about infectious disease.
In other words, they don't tell.
The belated announcement came amid fresh criticism that China's disease surveillance system is inadequate to deal with an avian flu virus that scientists say may turn into a global pandemic amongst humans.
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these stories just coming and and and The following story purportedly comes from Czech E-Zyne Black Ice Issue Number One, Sydney, Australia.
This has got a sort of a regusting rating of near 10.
Oceanographic scientists say they have discovered a vast floating reef of the world's disposed condoms in the middle of the South Pacific, about halfway between Tahiti and the Antarctic.
The phenomenal mess, mass, excuse me, mass and mess, is almost two miles long, an eighth of a mile wide, and in places up to 60 feet deep.
Mason Frow, the Australian marine biologist at his country's oceanographic laboratory outpost on Marquay Island, South Pacific, said the bizarre accumulation is explained by a scientific term called like aggregation.
Like aggregation, remember that.
That is, the massing of similar objects over short or even longer periods of time due to wind or ocean currents, magnetic fields, buoyancy, and other conditions probably we can't even guess at.
It's fairly common in the world's oceans, he said.
Natural events, you know, like red tides, for example, are instances of like aggregation.
People with pets that shed lots of hair can see it in their very own homes.
Frowell said, the dog sheds everywhere in the room, but after falling out, the fur soon collects in a few clumps and masses.
Like aggregation.
Fowl said, Ocean reefs of styrofoam and detergent residues have been observed in the South Pacific and everywhere else for many years, but they're usually broken up by storms before they become large or hazardous.
He believes the huge concentration of condoms, not previously reported, is more resilient than other aggregating stuff and may have been developing for decades.
Frowl said parts of the newly discovered reef are matted together so densely that you could almost land a plane on it.
He said, quote, I suppose it'd be funny.
It would be funny if it didn't pose the hazard it does to marine life and navigation.
Frowell said, I'd pity any freighter, submarine, or dolphin, for that matter, that might run into it.
The biologist said that he and his Australian scientific colleagues will have the reef mapped by satellite and monitored from now on to see if it expands, breaks up, or drifts from its current location, reportedly at 63 degrees latitude and 154 degrees longitude, Frau said.
There wouldn't be much point in trying to break up the pulpy mass with explosives or, like, God, other devices.
It seems pretty indestructible, said he.
The world's industrialized nations are estimated to consume and dispose of nearly 300 million condoms per year.
Industry analysts say about a third of those discards become water-born.
And so then they aggregate.
Now, my wife Ramona pointed out after she finished laughing about all of this that it is true if you, as a human being, walk into an empty movie theater and sit in a conveniently good place to see the screen just right, inevitably the very next person coming in will come in in an empty theater and sit right down next to you, probably sneezing and hacking and coughing.
Well, that I understand.
That's a matter of human behavior, I think.
Or is it?
Are we humans no different than floating condoms?
Do we aggregate?
I said, no, there's got to be a difference.
You know, inanimate objects, I can understand human behavior.
You know, aggregate.
That's laughing coming from the other room.
Humans have brains and they do what they do.
But I mean, inanimate objects, how do they do that?
NASA scientists say they have made the first sighting of what could be the ultimate July 4th firework.
Now, remember, folks, a comet called Tempel 1, the camera was aboard a spacecraft called Deep Impact, closing in on the comet's track.
And on April 25th, at a distance of 39.7 million miles, it caught the first reflected light from its prey.
That's right.
You see, it's sneaking up on it.
Deep Impact is going to intercept the four-mile-wide comet and fire a 39-inch copper projectile into it while the two close at 6.3 miles per second on Independence Day.
They're going to film the whole event for excited scientists back here on Earth, 83 million miles away.
Dust and debris and the size of the hole in the comet will answer questions about the makeup of these mysterious visitors.
Some people think it's a bad idea to be exploding comets.
Somehow or another, the new orbit after impact, well, you just know if it's like the movies, will be quickly calculated to be Manhattan.
New NASA Administrator Mike Griffin visiting Kennedy Space Center the other day has made it clear the shuttle is going to get replaced and soon too.
A quote, I report to the president, he told the press, the president has said we're retiring the orbiter by 2010, and that's just what we're going to do.
The agency should have a transition plan ready by summer's end, he said, that would outline how much of the International Space Station might actually be finished by the time the shuttles are finished.
Now, I don't know if this is the answer or not, but I feel compelled to read it to you.
You know, there is a mystery in Death Valley of rocks, big rocks, moving along the floor of Death Valley at night mysteriously.
And Bob in San Diego writes, Dear Art, after hearing you describe the moving desert rocks as an unsolved mystery, I just had to write to let you know what a friend of mine discovered.
These moving rocks are generally found on dry lake beds, which have a high content of evaporated salt.
So, when it rains in the desert, the lake beds absorb the moisture and the salt partially dissolves.
The rocks are then partially buoyed, buoyed up by the high brine content slush, which also lowers the friction between the rocks and the lake bed.
Then the wind blows across the lake.
Sufficient force is generated to overcome the friction between rocks and the bed to allow the rocks to move fairly long distances.
After 35 years in prison for stealing a black-and-white TV set, Jr.
Allen is now a free man.
Allen, 65 years of age now, walked out of prison Friday, ending a case that attracted widespread attention because he remained in jail while other inmates convicted of murder, rape, child molestation all came and went.
Said he, I'm glad to be out.
I've done just too much time for what I did.
I won't be truly happy until I see a sign that says I'm out of North Carolina.
Allen was a 30-year-old migrant farm worker from Georgia with a criminal history that included burglaries and a violent assault when he sneaked into the unlocked house, stole a 19-inch black and white TV set worth $140.
Some state records say Allen roughed up the 87-year-old woman who lived there, but he was never convicted of that.
Instead, he was sentenced in 1970 to life in prison for second-degree burglary.
The penalty for the offense since has been charged, changed rather, to a maximum of three years in the Poke.
The State Parole Commission decided last year to release Allen if he behaved and completed a transition work release program.
Well, he worked at a restaurant, washing dishes and floors, had no prison infractions during the past three years, and so now he's out early.
It would be his 26th try at parole.
So including five years of that, he could gain complete freedom by age 70.
All this for a TV, for a black and white TV.
Joke in the house is, how much time would he have gotten if he'd stolen a color TV?
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost.
She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below.
She shouted to him, excuse me, can you help me?
I promised a friend that I'd meet him an hour ago, and I don't know where I am.
The man consulted his handy portable GPS and replied, why, you're 30 feet above sea level.
You're at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude, 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
She rolled her eyes and said, you've got to be a Democrat.
I am, the man replied.
How'd you know?
Well, answered the balloonist, everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost.
Frankly, you've not been much help to me.
The man smiled and responded, well, you must be a Republican.
I am, replied the balloonist.
How'd you know?
Well, said the man, you know where you are.
You don't know where you are or where you're going.
You've risen where you are due to a large quantity of hot air.
You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep.
Then you expect me to solve your problems.
You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now it's my fault.
So, you see, every now and then, I am somewhat political.
All right.
This night, we will, that's about as far as I go.
We'll take your calls.
Anything you would like to talk about is kind of fair game and open lines.
At the top of the hour, as I explained, Paul Stonehill will be here.
He'll talk about the Tunguska explosion.
I think that's an extremely mysterious explosion.
In that well, it knocked down trees for a 40-mile circle, at least.
So the size of the explosion would indicate that it would be something large enough to hit the Earth and create a crater, as we have in Arizona, right?
But no.
I wonder if scientists have looked very carefully for some kind of residual radiation.
My guess being that it could have been something other than what we thought.
And also the amount of energy released to Tunguska is incredibly more than you would expect from a mid-air explosion of that magnitude.
I mean, the whole event is pretty weird.
But again, so are a lot of other things that are going on in Russia.
And tonight's guest is an expert on things that have gone on in Russia during the secret of years when they didn't tell us.
Well, now they're telling us, and some of it is pretty wild stuff.
That's what we're going to be covering tonight.
But coming up next, all of you will throw the lines open.
From the high desert in the middle of a kind of a neat night.
I'm Art Bell.
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Baby on a shoulder, it's time to set my deep molasses in the sky.
The lights and the white moon.
Hey!
Everything always wanting more.
Feeling you're longing for Black Fell.
And I live on a smile.
Backslash.
It's 2am, it's 2am, the fear is gone, it's 2am, the weather is still warm, it's all I've been to, but still won't I make it as I can't give it a chance?
Yeah, the storm won't lose, the sirens in my head, the sound of the silent stars took hits and dead, can't I be cold, my whole life spins into a frenzy
Sound of the silence through the twilight zone, the haze is in my house, the tears are being blown, my windows can't move, out the moon and star, where am I going now that I'm going to fall?
Imagine being an American submarine commander and having come back to base and explained to the Pacific Command that your submarine is limping back into base because it collided with a giant mountain of congealed, gathered condoms.
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Music Incidentally, there are photographs to go with the Stone Hill story tonight, UFO photographs that we've got up on the website.
I was wondering, like, how come there's been no mainstream media coverage of the Britons or Brazilians coming out with their UFO knowledge and everything?
The American media, for the most part, is brain dead.
We have a very interesting we were having a long discussion last night after the program with some friends about the American media in general, and it is an odd bunch.
And they do every now and then run UFO stories, but what the gentleman just referred to, Brazil, actually making everything public, is a monster story, and they haven't touched it.
So I really don't know how to tell you about the American media, except to say that if one of them, one of the major services should pick it up, then suddenly it will be everywhere.
And that gives you, I guess, an insight into the pack nature of the media, what one does, they all do.
So I don't have a better answer than that.
It's just sort of a pack mentality out there.
And until it makes one of the big ones, then it just doesn't make it.
That's all there is to it.
Wildcard Line, you're on air.
Hi.
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Good evening, Art.
This is Blair and Sedona.
Yes.
Peter Gerston, the UFO lawyer, forwarded me this thing today.
Actually, it's called Gear Up for Deep Impact Comet Crash.
And it tells who can see it at the best location and time.
Just somehow or another, maybe I've read too much science fiction, but doggone it, always after something like this, then the scientists, you know, everybody's going, oh, oh, and then some guy over in the corner is doing a little calculation.
Wait a minute.
Look, Manhattan.
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Well, yeah, there's some folks that believe it's by design a part of the electrical circuitry of our solar system, like a nerve synapse.
And energetically, it could be devastating.
It was like a resonance or bouncing ball effect.
Besides fires, it could be financial disruptions, various diseases.
I don't mean it'd be doom and gloom, but come on, folks.
And I find it fascinating then also, to get the other side of the story in a way, from John Rappaport, who seems to think that these stories are just like a con.
I think that they know damn well it's going to happen.
They just know.
I mean, you know, they can see the beginning of changes in this virus, and they have seen clearly what it can do to birds, and now we're getting the reports from China on the size of the epidemics going on, you know, just among the animal population there that they've been hiding.
No, I think this is real.
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That's unfortunate.
As I said, I wanted to mention one other thing.
And I wondered if you or even any of your listeners had any experience with the twin coil Fair AM antenna with the CC Radio Plus.
I have the CC Radio Plus, and I have a dickens of a time with an adjacent station when I'm trying to get my Baltimore Orioles who were in first place.
All of the old ones that make the noise will die and go away.
And we'll have a new breed of noise.
Now, of course, we have the newer plasma televisions, and they do create Electronic noise, warning to fellow ham radio operators.
They actually emanate noise.
When I bought my plasma, I actually took a little radio down.
The guy in the store thought I was out of my mind.
And I put it on the shortwave bands and backed away from each one of the televisions until I found a particular model that did not radiate like a bandit.
And that's the one I went for.
Buster the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Hi.
I'm Charles.
I'm Kawhi.
I've invented an energy source that absorbs random thermal radio noise.
But listen, man, you've been talking about this for years.
And, you know, I've been begging for the toy for years, just any little demo.
And you're still talking, but I don't have the toy yet.
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Okay, I'll try to make an electromagnet.
That's easy for the prototype.
I'm by myself, and somebody gave me a quote of, well, I can't really say it over the radio, but five figures to make a prototype with the nanotechnology network.
And it's not that I doubt, but I do want to see some kind of proof.
Some little something, even a toy, that is demonstrating over unity in some manner.
So, you know, quit calling the show.
Send me a toy.
Then I'll have you as a guest.
You're on the Air Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
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Hello.
Hey, Mr. Bill.
How you doing?
My name is Dave calling from Columbus, Ohio.
Yes, sir.
Just wanted to tell you a little story about a hunter house.
A buddy of mine, Doug, grew up in.
They lived there about 17 years, and all the family members and laws and everything swore they saw all kinds of things.
I had a little strange intention of having them myself.
Anyway, they moved out, and they've been out for a few years now.
And I wasn't aware of EVPs and stuff like that back at the time that they lived there.
I was curious, if I was to go to the doorstep of this house and ask them, you know, if I could come in and do readings or whatnot, if they got wise to the fact that I knew the family who lived there before, would you know, like, would that infringe on the contract somehow?
Actually, believe it or not, there are legal tangles that develop.
And if you actually live in a haunted house, I believe that it is incumbent upon you in many places to inform the potential buyers that you live in a haunted house.
Yeah, what I have to say is actually there's a scripture that talks about how the false prophet will call fire down from heaven and he'll deceive many.
Because they're afraid if they do pick up on the Russian UFO deal, it's going to force the American government to release all the information they have on UFOs, and they don't want to release it.
And how people or the Mayan calendar and year 2012, could it be that we all are going to collectively consciously or collectively consciously make this the end of the world happen?
Well, Colin Connaher reported quite extensively on this phenomenon, and you know what?
They haunt the interstates.
These black triangles actually haunt the interstates.
And if it really was U.S. experimental military stuff that they didn't want seen, the last damn place they'd fly them would be over the interstates of this country to be seen by everybody.
And, you know, so that none of this makes any sense at all.
I give it a 50-50 probability that it's U.S. experimental secret aircraft.
I was insulted even more than that after I saw, after we saw, my wife and I saw that triangle we saw.
There was a story, a local paper consulted Nellis Air Force Base, and they said, why, yes, there was a secret mission that may have overflown the Prump Valley that night, and it was a C-130 aircraft.
I've sent the channel 13 link with the Yahweh video to Lex, theCoastToCoastAM.com.
Webmaster.
Lex, if you're listening, if you would please prominently post that so people can go take a look for themselves.
You know, I admit, it's absolutely incredible.
All right, on the same subject of UFOs coming up, Paul Stonehill.
Paul Stonehill is accented because he was born in Kiev, the USSR, in 1959 and immigrated here to the U.S. in 1972.
In his youth, Paul helped smuggle people out from behind the Iron Curtain, aided dissidents, smuggled banned literature into the USSR, graduated from California State University with a D.A. in political science, and wrote a thesis on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
He's lucky to be here alive at all tonight.
And also about UFO and anomalous phenomena.
In October of 1993, Omni magazine featured a story about Paul's work and the research center that he had created back in 91, the Russian Ufology Research Center.
After the fall of communism, his articles were published throughout Russia and the Ukraine.
Since 1989, Paul has consulted for American television and motion picture production companies as well as corporate entities.
His areas of expertise are Russian history, Soviet covert operations, corporate security issues for expatriate workers, warfare in the former USSR, cross-cultural training, anomalous phenomena in Eastern Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and China.
He has published writing in the following areas, Soviet and Russian military research, paranormal phenomena, KGB and paranormal phenomena, underwater unidentified phenomena, mysteries of Soviet space programs, mysteries of ancient history, Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Mongol Empire, Siberia, time travel experiments in Russia.
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I mean, you have so much that people in this audience haven't heard before.
I think the first question I want to ask you is the Russian people have always been fascinated with, to a much greater extent, the paranormal phenomena that goes on in this world around us, much more than we have.
And why the particular fascination by the Russian people?
First of all, the country itself was and is a huge piece of land.
And you have reports coming from all over.
Sometimes published, sometimes not, but people could exchange information.
And whether it's the sense of the Gobi Desert and the huge worms that exist there, or the Arctic territories, or Siberia with strange animals sometimes, and reports of gigantic UFOs over the tundra, reports like that came from all over.
And some people actually, thank God, put them down on paper through the ages.
And once somebody like me starts putting it all together, you see astonishing patterns coming about and correlation between reports that go back a thousand years and something that happened under the Soviet eyes or the Tsarist secret police.
Russian people themselves are just like anybody else.
But they're maybe more inclined to read, to study culture.
They have a belief that they have a special soul.
Nothing graces, but they have special feelings about themselves.
And maybe they're not as practical as some other nations.
I think Ukrainians, where I'm from, are much more practical.
And all this gives an impetus to study paranormal phenomena, among its UFO phenomenon, for example.
It's forbidden because it has, officially, a lot of good resources that very few other parts of Russia would have.
But also it has ancient artifacts that, you know, aged back, I would say, to the times of Stonehenge or before that.
It contains ancient labyrinths, mazes that are as secretive, as mysterious as those ones on the Crete island and elsewhere.
And they look identical.
Now, such mazes are called Babylons.
Who named them that?
Nobody knows.
But besides that, the peninsula itself may hide the ancient northern Atlantis.
Something that Nazis were very much interested to and were trying to get to the peninsula.
But even before Nazi Germany became what it was, in 1920s, the KGB sent special expeditions to study an interesting so-called psychic phenomena of the natives and at the same time to gather information about the strange areas around Lake Sid Ozero.
Very, very enigmatic place.
We don't know everything, but we do know that the expeditions went out.
God knows there are enough paranormal stories about the strange lands of Russia and things that have happened there for thousands of years.
But do keep an eye on Pravda.
I think they published a very interesting story about a Caspian Sea amphibian creature, which is very interesting to me because I have quite a lot about strange amphibious beings that were registered by Soviet military.
And so I like to correlate.
You do get to pick up some interesting things from Pravda.
They use some of the sources I do.
My good friends, people like Nikolai Sobotin or Vadim Chernobov in Russia.
And the way the search goes, it's becoming more secretive.
It wants to exert power.
It feels vulnerable.
And I'm not defending them.
First of all, you know, Ukraine being an independent state is more something that I would, I don't want to say feel allegiance to, but I know politics of Ukraine, let's say, better than Russian.
I don't want to stick my nose in something that doesn't interest me.
Paul, we had an incident, a very large incident, in which discs appeared over and disabled some of our ICBM sites in this country.
There was a similar story, which I saw, and I'll never forget, about Russia, in which discs hovered above Russian ICBM sites and actually initiated launch sequences.
But the situation is that years later, for some reason, they're trying to change the story.
Some of those involved.
Not all, but some.
So, you know, yes, in 1982, you know, you almost had a nuclear war that was triggered because the launch costs for the ICBM seldom definitely, you know, enable, and nobody knows how.
And it was a gigantic UFO.
I don't think it was more than one.
It was over an ICBM base in Ukraine.
And somebody named Boris Sokolov, who was part of the secret research, military research program, who told that story years ago, today is trying to change it.
And he may be under pressure.
I don't want to discuss why.
What I do want to say is that people like Mr. Ploxin, who was a liaison between the civilian and the military branches of the program, he comes out and says, oh no, what happened did happen before.
And there is a lot more to talk about.
And this guy is a colonel.
He's the leading paranormal phenomena expert of the Russian Defense Ministry.
So you can see that nothing is clear, nothing ever is in the Russian UFO or paranormal research.
You have the state secrets mixed together.
You have different interests.
But one picture comes out.
No matter what anybody says or denies.
Strange objects have been sighted over Russia for thousands of years.
I mean it.
Under the Soviet times, they have buzzed over most secret Soviet installations.
Stalin wanted to know what they were.
Khrushchev wanted to know people after them.
But they did know enough not to attack them too often.
You've really got to wonder what they were doing when they did what they did.
I refer now to the objects that hovered over U.S. silos, disabling quite a large number of ICBMs, literally taking them out of service.
They ripped everything up, never could find the cause for it.
But then imagine an officer in the Soviet rocket service down in his silo, watching the code being entered and watching the launch sequence to the end of the world begin as the saucers hovered right above your facility, watching the beginning of the end of the world.
That must have been some experience.
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The End I wonder if the message was simply, we are in control of what happens.
I don't know, but I'll bet you at the highest levels, both here in America and in the Soviet Union at that time, a lot of wondering about all that went on, huh, Paul?
We have a huge chapter in that book, UFO-USSR, dedicated to the underwater phenomena.
Because we've been able to collect so much from interesting sources.
The bottom line is, through this history of the Soviet Navy, you had objects that approached Soviet submarines, the so-called croakers, who would emit strange sounds but never harm the submarines.
And I think the more I study Soviet and Russian UFO phenomena, the more I'm convinced we know very little about our own planet.
And there are life forms next to us that study us, and I want to see if we present any danger.
And I think humans do present quite a lot of danger with ecology and so forth, because you can see UFO incidents reported over Soviet areas where Contamination has occurred, or Chernobyl, or the Urals, where Soviets conducted secret tests and experiments.
Since we're touching Chernobyl for a second, Paul, do you know what the true state of Chernobyl now is?
I've heard these, you know, 60 Minutes here did a big report on the crumbling structure, the sarcophagus over Chernobyl, that it's just disintegrating.
But I also know that the United States government, now that Ukraine has changed a lot, U.S. government is going to give them a hand.
And it's a good thing.
But you should also know that Chernobyl, long ago this incident, there were reports of malfunctions and the Ukrainian current KGB, what it is today, they've published some reports about it.
We have some in our book.
It's horrible.
They knew what was going to happen and they did nothing.
Well, you know, Paul, the whole UFO thing seems to have gone up and out of control after we exploded the first atomic bomb.
Look where the sightings were, and look how close all of that was together.
It seemed to begin then.
And isn't it reasonable to assume, Paul, that another intelligent race would take very careful note of the first use of an atomic bomb and then monitor very closely after that?
No, but quite a lot of consequences for the Earth, from the disturbances in the magnetic fields to strange weather throughout the Earth to a high birth of geniuses.
this created my magnetic disturbances that were recorded or known in how are they Well, Siberian institutes and other entities throughout the world had recorded strange readings of the disturbances in the magnetic field of the planet.
And they've jotted down, and people who had studied the area, who had studied it, whether with an intent or not, were amazed, scientists, of what's going on.
It's something strange.
It's an object that, like we said, flattens 2,100 square kilometers of forest, leaves no craters, no obvious fragments.
Nobody knows what it was.
But I know that it has caused subsequent mutations.
And there was an ecological impact.
There has been so much, and we still don't know what it is.
I just wanted to let you know that one of the most interesting consequences was that in 1908 in Russia, a number of geniuses was born much better, and not only in Russia, much larger than subsequently or previously when it was recorded.
Somebody did a study like that.
You know, you had tens of millions of people around the globe who saw what the aftermath was.
You know, the night itself has disappeared to the west of the explosion, to Western Siberia and Europe.
There was a darkness for 72 hours.
You never had it before.
You know, you had a few nights over Northern Europe.
There were several nights over northern Europe when the sky glowed enough to light the streets of London.
The Irkutsk Observatory, that's in Siberia, they had reported disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field 900 kilometers southeast of the epicenter.
That, you know, it was the local, in that area, geomagnetic disturbance was similar to some effects that follow middle and high altitude nuclear explosions in the atmosphere.
But there was some kind of delay.
It occurred after the explosion, such as disturbances.
The book, let me do this.
I need to tell you something.
In the book, we have a lot of data.
I won't be able to tell you one fifth of what we have.
I do want to keep me as long as you want.
But if you don't mind, let me tell people where they can read more about it.
One of them was given by a Russian scientist who unfortunately was murdered in 1995.
And he states, and we give his reasons, two objects actually collided over the Tunguska.
And those huge objects were extraterrestrial spaceships, nuclear-powered spaceships.
And the explosion was such as to cause the consequences.
But there is also something else you need to know.
1908, June 30th, when it happened, was the day when it would take the shortest time to get to Earth if a spaceship started from Mars or Venus to get to Earth.
In America, we had so-called Project Blue Book, whose conclusion, by the way, was that whatever these things were or are, they are not a threat to national security and to our nation.
And every time I hear that, I laugh.
I mean, how could something that flies at speeds we can't duplicate in our own skies not be a threat?
But maybe we laugh, but maybe we don't know enough, you and I. Because I gotta tell you, Stalin basically wanted to know the same.
And he got one of the best Soviet scientists, like Sergei Karalov and Keldysh, to study materials Stalin's agents obtained from the United States about Roswell, about a few other incidents.
We don't know what.
I wish I had glanced at that pile of documents that Karalov had in his disposal, and he had to give the answer to the dictator in a few days.
And he did.
Based on his knowledge and research, Sergei Karalov, one of the fathers of the Soviet space science, came to a conclusion that, yes, UFOs exist.
Yes, they fly over us quite frequently.
No, they don't pose an immediate danger to the Soviet armed forces.
But this is only a tip of the iceberg.
Because I know Stalin, based on my research, that Stalin studied this situation quite.
One of my best sources is a Russian professor mentioned throughout the book, very knowledgeable person, one of the top missile engineers.
And he basically says that he was given this information, he was told this information by people who work with Karalilov, because this man was also with Professor Budakov.
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Paul is from Ukraine, and he's smuggled lots and lots of secrets out of what used to be the USSR.
and we're going to explore them this morning.
Astronauts, I had the privilege, of course, of interviewing Ed Mitchell, who walked on the moon.
And interviewing a man who would walk on the moon would be, you would think, a very interesting prospect.
And it was, in the sense that I got down to asking him, well, you know, when you were walking on the moon, when you were actually on the moon, what were you thinking?
What were you seeing?
What were you absorbing?
And he gave the strangest answer.
I mean, surely you would think that what you had done, going to the moon, would be indelibly imprinted in your mind.
But it wasn't.
In a lot of ways, he said, I have a hard time remembering a lot of what happened.
I thought that's such a strange answer.
You would think every footstep, every grain of memory from an experience like that would be indelibly imprinted.
Many of our other astronauts act as though they're hiding something in the sense that they've had very difficult lives.
Some with alcohol abuse, marriages that haven't worked out, a very difficult time with U.S. astronauts.
And I'm not saying that it is that they are hiding some gigantic secret, but that's one possibility.
And they make tantalizing remarks.
well, anyway, let's find out if we look at the Russian side of things, and they've had as many people in space for longer periods of time than we have, and the cosmonauts report some kind of strange whispering or something, don't they?
Besides UFOs, strange objects in space, some of them come out with that.
They also talk about strange whisper.
And when you've mentioned the astronaut you spoke to, it kind of gives you an idea that somebody is messing up with their minds.
And here is the story about whispers.
More than one Soviet cosmonaut talked about it.
Not all of them like to discuss it.
It's one of the most secret phenomena that affects them.
But basically, it's as if something, according to a cosmonaut, if something was standing next to them, let's say they are aboard an orbital space station, all of a sudden they feel somebody is standing next to them.
There is a feeling that there was somebody invisible staring them in the back.
And ideas come to their heads.
And later, when some of them were not afraid to talk to each other, they found out that things were being whispered, whispered to them inside their conscience.
Something like, you arrived here too early.
You did it in the wrong fashion.
Trust me, I am your ancestor on your maternal side.
Of course, you know, Soviet cosmonauts are for the most part, used to be atheists and very hard, you know, hard-nosed people, no-nonsense people, and then they want to find out what happened.
You know, and they exchange information, and basically they came to a conclusion that an alien intelligence using some kind of hypnosis is determined to prevent the mankind from exploring the outer space.
And to convince the humankind that its sons and daughters in the outer space are not experiencing hallucinations, hard facts about their past are presented.
Facts that they pick up from probing human brains, memories, and subconscious.
When they failed back in 89, at least one of them, after a huge object was photographed and a Soviet spacecraft was basically knocked out from the orbit.
It's more American and Western than Russian, but we'll talk about this cooperation.
Anyway, the object came back about a week later.
It sends signals, and then it disappears forever.
And the moonlit Phobos, the one that it was...
It actually sent signals back to the Earth control.
It came back alive, but nobody knows from Earth.
And it's gone.
After that, nobody heard about it at all.
I have the Soviet reports, newspaper reports, and others.
And I gotta tell you, they were very confused.
And ideas were flying around.
And people, Soviet scientists and top space people talked about aliens.
Some, you know, in irony, some not.
Because they could not explain why such a well-prepared mission would disappear in a very strange place next to Moonlit Phobos that some people believe is of artificial character.
All the records that are available are listed in the book.
But to tell you more than that, because we have to go detail by detail, I name, give names, dates, reports, and quotes, because it's a very interesting subject.
There is more to that.
The Phobos II carried a special laser aboard among its equipment.
They wanted to test soil on Mars and Phobos.
And one of the top Russian scientists said, you know what?
Whoever, if there are beings, sentient beings who live on the planet, maybe they don't want us to test our laser weapons on them.
Mars Lander carried a more refined version of the laser weapon, and it disappeared also.
And the laser was made by the same Russian institution.
I got to tell you, there is a lot of cooperation between our space program and the Russian space program.
And this convinced me when I studied this Phobos incident, JPL scientists, based on the Soviet reports, were in touch, moment by moment.
The spaceships themselves, the probes, were made in Western Europe, some of it in the Soviet Union, but it was a joint effort, by no means just the Soviet.
And the more I study this phenomenon, the more I see cooperation.
No, not absolutely, but enough people of importance believed that an account has to be found of what happened.
And even in the newspapers, they would say, it looks like aliens did it.
Some were laughing, most people were not.
And such important authority as Professor Budakov came out and said, he knew nothing what was happening in the West, but he was worried enough to say, we sent a mission to Mars, and it was a mission to study and explore and take military tests.
Whoever lives on Mars would not like it.
And this guy is one of the smartest people there are.
He says, why did we do it in such a stupid fashion?
He questioned.
His reports were published.
His questions were published.
There were others.
There was so much confusion.
And as you can see, the Soviet Union fell apart in a year or two.
Nobody talks about it anymore except for a few people like us.
Some files came out, but also a lot of interesting files will never be found out.
Somewhere, I have no doubts that some private interest in the West purchased them.
i have no doubt that some of the most important government deep in the orient or the west got their hands and so that you are full file and paranormal files Believe me, I know some men who have unlimited amounts of money, Paul.
It's not something that you will find on the Internet, but things like that find buyers.
I know some of my contacts kept telling me that people come to Russia and offer money not only from the West, for example, of the Dalnikorsk incident of 1986, where there was some traces of an object that disintegrated.
We'll get into it.
They buy whatever was left behind, strange metallic bolts and other things.
There is a market for it.
It exists.
There are people who are interested.
I remember once, in 1994, I published an article about Soviet psi weapon developments and specialized weapons to control people's minds and so forth.
Okay, so you're telling me now, let me get this one straight, that they had developed it to the point where they were ready or had plans to put it on Soviet spacecraft aimed at the world's population.
Do you have any idea, for example, if something like that had been put into orbit and the trigger had been pulled, Paul, what actually would have happened?
And in what way people would have been controlled?
I wonder if any of those spacecraft, perhaps just one step from being activated, well, gee, they might well still be in orbit if they really got there, huh?
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I very, very much doubt to this very day we at all have a good understanding of the kinds of things that the Soviets might have had in orbit, and for that matter, might still be in orbit.
For example, Paul, there was a very large, regular news story about Russia promising a Southeast Asian country, which at that time was undergoing terrible fires.
I mean, just thousands and thousands of miles of timber was burning.
And I believe it was Russia that offered to create a cyclone with one of their satellites.
They claimed they could create a cyclone and would do it free of charge the first time to put out the forest fires.
Some of them, because of our research, we have found out stories about so-called clouds.
The clouds have appeared throughout Soviet and Russian UFO history, and they're very interesting and sinister objects of different dimensions and formations.
Even Soviet secret research to study UFOs, the so-called Sievka research, they received reports about clouds.
They couldn't do anything to understand what they are.
And I don't think that you had a clash of two bureaucratic systems.
Secret research there and here, just not knowing what happens.
To answer your questions, they were doing experiments in the atmosphere.
And some of them were mistaken for UFOs and whatever consequences they caused were not good.
They were trying to seed clouds, so-called clouds.
But as a subterfuge for that, we know that they were working on the so-called plasma weapons, something along the lines of our SDI research, but maybe more profound.
They wanted to make sure that they create a system that would interdict missile flights.
And, you know, this is what they were doing.
And some of this could be mistaken for UFOs, not everything.
The Soviets themselves did not know, did not understand everything that happened in their atmosphere.
So they would have really changed the weather had they that power, but they actually did claim they could create a cyclone, and they claim they could do it by satellite.
Also, please understand that so many findings of their experiments, I'm sure solid findings, were never implemented because there was not enough money or there wasn't anybody with a strong hand to say, with a strong fist to say, go ahead and do it.
That's the same problem.
They had brilliant scientists, but bureaucratic system.
Communism in itself cannot survive anywhere because it's a contradictory system.
You have to give people initiative to be who they are.
You can't put limits on people's minds.
You can't tell people whatever you see in the sky, you don't see it.
It's nothing.
Like they told Soviet soldiers, don't report UFOs.
1972 to Arctic areas of the Soviet Union.
They say, whatever you see in the sky, it doesn't exist.
But people tried to make money saying it was an object shut down in 1983.
And a lot of people believed it.
Marina Popovich gave me the photograph.
At the end, we found out it was nothing but a hoax story.
But nothing is ever definite.
Because when it was hauled away under great secrecy, you know, to a special institute near Moscow that actually studied UFOs, it was hauled away.
Other things were reported in the institute.
Information came out to one of the researchers, and we mention it, about a film that they also had in their hands that allegedly was produced by Hollywood, but they were not sure about an incident, a contact incident.
So nothing is definite.
But to give you the precise answer, this was a hoax.
I wanted it to be there so people could understand.
Donald Manzel, one of the biggest American debunkers.
Maybe Manzel, I mean, I might not pronounce his name right.
But, you know, the Soviet Union was trying to hide UFOs so hard that they would go ahead and print a book like that without any questions, without any doubts.
Well, that's where I was just about to go and ask you how much real cooperation between the U.S. and the Soviet Union at that time on the subject of UFOs there really was.
Well, the thing about this is, though, that if you imagine that these unidentified flying objects are man-made, as in Earth man-made, then that's exactly where they'd be flying over potential areas of conflict, right?
yeah but they've been playing their office with the centuries before when there were no conflict i still don't understand what And that's what some scientists believe, and researchers.
I just can't understand why such reports come back centuries after centuries.
Paul, with all the years of study you've done on the Soviet, now Russian side, Ukraine, all the rest of it, are you now convinced that some of the objects that we're seeing, that we call UFOs, are in fact alien spacecraft?
I have no doubts in my mind that another intelligence, not maybe ET, but an alien intelligence is here and is watching us, is watching what we're doing to the planet based, again, on the reports, and sometimes is trying to interfere.
And such, we can name Chernobyl.
I can name a small lake in the Central Asia that can destroy whole countries below if it ever bursts out.
Lake Saris contains 17, I think, millions of cubic feet of water.
It's being held in place by a dam.
If that dam breaks down, water comes down the mountain, and with it, a number of countries below disappear because there's such a huge amount of water.
It's a very strange formation.
And Soviets, who had studied American STI tests in the atmosphere, they have a station.
They had a station, a watch station in the area, and a lot of the reports they had was gigantic disk-like objects who would enter the waters of the Lake Saraz, go in and out.
Why would they be interested in a lake on top of the Palmyr Mountains with nothing there?
Would it be that they want to prevent natural catastrophe from happening?
Why would they be interested in coming to Chernobyl during the incident and a little bit after?
Is it true that they tried actually to put down the fire in the reactor number four?
We have reports of people who were on site who swear that there was an object, a gigantic object, over the reactor and it actually helped abate the consequences of explosion.
Once again, Paul Stonehill's book, which obviously would require reading, if you've heard any of tonight's program and don't want to read that, I'd be quite amazed, offers apparently quite a bit of proof for what it contends.
It's called UFO USSR.
And if you'd like a copy, it can be obtained by calling 888-953-2665.
It's always fair to give a guest who is willing to come on and tell about these things.
Sometimes you get a guest who comes on and says, well, you know, you want to know, read my book.
Paul hasn't done that.
He's stuck with us right through, so he deserves an applause, in my opinion.
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Now, Paul, just a couple of other questions before we go to the phones.
And one is here in the U.S., we have people and so forth who claim to have UFO fragments, pieces of crashed UFO craft that are reportedly hidden at certain air bases here in the U.S., physical evidence, that kind of thing.
What has happened to the equivalent of that in Russia, in the Soviet Union?
In Ukraine and also in Karelia, an area not far away from Finland.
They found things that are of ancient origin, things that are ancient rocket ships, if we believe what is being reported.
And there is some confirmation on the objects they found.
For example, a microchip that was An object which could not be explained presented to the Soviet academicians, top scientists in the 1950s.
They couldn't know what it is.
Today we know it's a microchip.
It might have come from the space rocket or whatever it was that was uncovered in Ukraine in 1948 and cut to several pieces and taken to a destination unknown.
Boreholes that appear in the wilderness, out of nowhere, but they are reported to be in such places after a UFO sighting or an alleged landing in the tundra, in the mountains, where there is no equipment to make such boreholes.
The most amazing is the amount of information collected in the Soviet Union.
And maybe mishandled, maybe not, but there are many, many sightings, very interesting sightings.
And let's understand one thing.
The Soviet Union was a totalitarian state, cut off from the rest of the world.
Russian people were innocent, virgins, when it came to UFO tabloids.
They didn't know what it was.
So when they reported something in the sky or over their nuclear silo, they would not say, oh, this is something that was reported in 1947 by the Americans.
No.
They knew it was something that could not be explained.
I would say the predominance of gigantic forms, especially gigantic shapes of UO4, such as cigar-shaped objects and huge disks, 200-300 meters in diameter, that appear over very interesting and very remote places.
And unlike the United States, Russia is a much larger country, and I got to tell you, it has not been explored completely.
There are faraway corners where nobody knows what's going on.
I was wondering if your guest may have ever heard of hypersonic pulse.
Supposedly when the Soviet Union bowed down and backed out of the arms race, everybody was saying it was because they couldn't keep up with the United States due to the money factor and the FBI.
I come from a long line of military family, and naturally when they all get together, the conversation always goes to the military.
I remember listening one time, and this retired colonel, uncle of mine, was saying that he just brought up that, he said, sound waves are an unbelievably powerful weapon if it can be used right.
And he wouldn't elaborate a whole heck of a lot on it, but he actually sent an article that was written back in 1978 or 79, I believe, that the military had been testing this since the late 50s and early 60s.
And it said that the article said that the technology that they were using was actually brought up or discovered through extraterrestrial or something like that.
Well, let's hold it at that sort of basic question that you began with.
Rather than having essentially gone broke, was there some technology that the Soviets saw the United States begin to possess that scared them so badly or affected them so much that they just threw up their arms and said, we give up?
I think they were exhausted in the race, that's true, but not because of the technology, because the economy was not functioning.
Socialism doesn't work.
That's the bottom line.
As to answer your question directly, I have reports, not reports, books from 1930s where the Soviets were describing their wish to have supersonic weapons or ultrasound weapons.
But a wish is not a result.
Nobody knows what secret experiments they had conducted and still do with this.
I'm sure the Russian Navy is very much interested in anything like that.
I honor your answer and agree with your answer all the way.
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My question to you is twofold.
Number one, I had read during the Soviet era, unofficially, that a fleet of Soviet bombers struck at a target in which there was very heavy UFO activity.
And I wonder if over the years you had ever heard or read or unofficially Caught any glimpse of that type of story.
And secondly, I saw a picture a number of years ago.
I don't know if it was fraudulent or not, but it was a picture of a disc-shaped, large, very large disc-shaped object.
And it was at a remote base with, at night, and the picture showed the Soviet symbol on the side of it.
And I wonder if you had ever seen or heard of anything like that.
1953, 1960s, some cases are so mysterious that nothing has been reported.
We do know more about the case of, I believe it was 1980, during the Afghan, 1981, during the war of Saddam Hussein and the Persians fighting each other and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Somebody got nervous when he saw a huge disc over his military unit, which was doing a secret test.
So he said, to help with the instructions, I'm going to shoot at it.
I think they knew a lot about the Americans, and vice versa.
You know, let's not be naive.
And not only Americans, the Chinese, too.
The Chinese are very much interested and have been in what's going on on the Soviet border next to them, especially when they see UFOs over their land and UFOs over Russia next door.
And Mongolia.
We have an excellent report, 1953.
That's an interesting year, by the way.
I believe 1951 or 1953.
I can't recall now.
It's in the book.
About a Soviet doctor who reported seeing a UFO landing, a huge disk, and strange beings that came from it.
And the doctor was very scropa, you know, very diligent.
I was in the military, and of course I'm no longer now, but just before I was commissioned as a commissioned officer in the United States Army, we had our ROTC outing in West Virginia, and we looked up in the skies about 2 a.m. in the morning.
We saw an oval-shaped object glowing in the evening sky, and the ranking officer, Major, told us, do not say anything about it, which gave us the thought that, well, there is possibility of you oppose.
Second thing, in relation to that, there's an area between Plain City, Ohio, and Delaware, in Dublin, Ohio, which in the summertime there are disks being flown up above.
You can tell by the lights, they are disc-shaped with helicopters hovering in the immediate vicinity.
I was wondering if our government and also the Russian government has some type of agreement with the occupants of who were or used to occupy those crafts, training us how they use them.
We have our own reports in this country, indeed, of helicopters and the military being involved very quickly in sighting of craft and then even flying with them at times.
They would indicate, they didn't go into all the details, but they would try to signal to UFOs and the UFOs would contract and enlarge in response to that signal.
That's very interesting.
I wish I had more information.
I have maybe one or two paragraphs about it.
Please understand, a lot of this is so secret that it doesn't leak out.
But I think we have enough in the book about the military and the chapter about Soviet military and Soviet naval encounters to make people very much interested and to start thinking and to compare cases with other countries.
I don't know if I can help much in this situation.
Like I said, experiments were done.
Soldiers died as a result, but at the same time, they were able to change minds of soldiers who went back cheerfully to the fields of Afghanistan.
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I'm just real interested, since Russia has done the experimenting with the weather, if you or other Russian people that you know of have been experiencing what we are experiencing here and in Brazil and in Mexico and countries that I've been in, Canada as well, with all the lines in the sky and all of that.
When they were doing their experiments, did they have that in their sky like we're having in ours?
Well, they um I know that they had developed the rockets to do it and uh quite a lot of the good equipment to do it, but apparently Brezhnev was against it at the end, officially, and that the money was not in it.
And a number of Soviet space engineers were quite upset and people in the space race.
But that's the latest program.
Apparently, Stalin was very much interested in sending Russians to the moon.
From different reports, from different quiet information sources, you can find out that something was going on, that Stalin had a special program, and the site of that program was actually where today's Chernobyl is.
And just before the German Nazis entered into the area in 1941, it was taken away in pieces, loaded on trains and taken, I think, to the Ural Mountains.
But Stalin was very much interested in this, and he had his own Ministry of Aviation Research under his control, as contrary to the other one that existed, whose leaders were sent to the Gulag.
Because they contained, according to the Soviet state secrets, I can only surmise that they have reports of programs that we can't even imagine or results from such programs.
Plus, you have the legacy, you know, history is very much important in Russia, like everywhere else, but maybe especially so in Russia.
And Stalin is a very, very delicate personality to deal with.
Half of the country wants him back.
Maybe a third of the country hates him, and another third doesn't care.
Okay, well, get good and close to it and ask your question.
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Okay, I just wanted to make a comment first on if you want to know where it disappeared, maybe we should look at the Clinton Library in Arkansas.
You know, I mean, because his Russian connections, and considering that China walked away with so many of our secrets, and everybody was busy with Lewinsky.
But with the Mind Wars, Paul, I read a book over 20 years ago, and it was titled Mind War.
And it talked about psychic experience and how children were taught from kindergarten on in Russia how to develop their psychic ability to the point of using that against America because we were so full of skeptics.
No, they wouldn't use the children, but they had quite a lot of their own military researchers that they could use and did to an extent.
And I think the 1959 Nautilus story, some people believe this was an invention of the Soviet intelligence to fool Khrushchev into letting them expand their own programs.
In this country, Paul, we were treated just a very few years ago to an admission by the CIA that they had sponsored an entire unit for 20 years of people able to look for objects and things at great distances and describe them.
Because of the stupidity of communism, they were afraid to admit paranormal phenomena for the most part.
And people, those who had talents, kept them to themselves.
At the same time, they had brilliant military commanders, like everywhere else, who wanted to use any weapons available at their disposal against the enemy.
And they were doing their best to sponsor such programs.
But time after time, Soviet institutions were disseminated, basically destroyed in a literal form.
Those who wanted to study telepathy and hypnotic phenomena and so forth suffered.
So you had deep secret research, and at the same time, you had people who were afraid to even wander into the direction of the paranormal because of communist ideology.
And Ms. Paul, thank you for sharing your information.
And to get back to the space race and the moon, did any of this information that you ran across have any connection to the assassination with President Kennedy at all?
Caller, I think you and I may have read the same book.
There are those who speculate that it could have been a small bit of antimatter just because of the nature of the explosion, the radiation observed, the defects in biological entities observed, the magnetic anomalies.
It just doesn't add up to be what they originally said it was.
Well, first of all, it's very difficult to comment on any single given case and outcome like that particularly.
However, I can understand that somebody involved in control of the mind for pain might run into or be interested in the experiments of others who had done various forms of mind control as a natural course of their own investigation, right, Paul?
I believe on the information presented in the book that you could draw that conclusion, and some do.
There is a military engineer, a specialist by the name of Smirnov, who actually mentions Soviets using such technology for the enhancement of their rockets and engines.
How to, I don't know, but he goes into great detail.
Generally, I think it's quite possible.
I don't think we know what transistors are even today and a few other scientific innovations.
And he came on my program in a series of programs, Paul, and told me a very convincing story about how he was given access to extraterrestrial items that were then back engineers as much as possible.
And when a use was seen in private industry for them, that knowledge was passed from Colonel Corso to an individual in private industry, things that resulted in many of the modern, amazing things that we have now.
I don't know if that's true, but he told a very, very convincing story.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
unidentified
Hi.
Listen, my name is Rocky.
I'm a little afraid to talk to you.
I'm worried I may be put in jail or an asylum or something, but I'm going to talk to you anyway.
I know how they manipulate the weather and cause it to rain.
Who's they?
Well, people that put satellites up in the sky, whoever they are.
The government or NASA, whoever they are.
Basically, I thought of it at the time as a satellite that rotates.
I was watching the news and they said they had upper turbulence and that was causing rain.
So to be perfectly honest with you, I have an implant in me and I'm a little worried about talking about all this, but it caused a hurricane because they made, it was like a whip.
It was a long, the satellite rotated and caused turbulence in the upper atmosphere.
I'm willing to entertain the possibility of weather control or even, to some degree, mind control, but I don't know about mixing them and our own VA doing it.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello?
unidentified
Yes, yes.
I have a question.
Does he see a relationship between demonology and ufology?
I mean, all across America, in the kind of fields that we're talking about this morning, subjects we're talking about this morning, there are many who believe that these things that we see in our skies, these things that we find completely inexplicable, are not the work of man at all or extraterrestrials, but rather demons.
Yes, but certainly that's one of the possible answers to some of the apparitions, some of the things that are seen.
It's got to be considered one of the possibilities unless we actually have a little green guy that we can interview to know there's an alien life form here.
Short of that, that's got to be one of the possibilities.