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May 29, 2005 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Paul Stonehill - UFOs in the USSR
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So, I'm going to show you how to get to the end of the level.
From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good
morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's politic time zones, every
single one of them covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM, I'm Art Bell.
you My honor and privilege to be escorting you through this holiday weekend.
I suspect there are quite a number of you able to stay up later than usual tonight, and it's a good thing, because Fall Stone Hill is going to be here.
It's going to be a UFO-centric kind of show tonight, actually, talking about what's happened in Russia.
You know, now that the Iron Curtain has fallen and is being sold as souvenirs, why, all the information coming out of Russia after all these years is pretty interesting stuff, and they've got a lot of it, and Stonehill will report on it.
Now, How many of you have heard of the Prophet Yahweh?
I think George interviewed him last, the end of last week, Friday or something.
You know, normally, my inclination with this kind of thing, the Prophet Yahweh calling down UFOs and all this kind of stuff, is just give me a blinkin' break.
However, Channel 13 television in Las Vegas, they're good people, I know a bunch of them.
And they took the Yahweh story, I guess, seriously enough to send some intrepid reporter out and stand with Yahweh while he attempted to call down some UFOs.
Well, he did.
And Channel 13 got the video.
And I don't know what... You don't say any more than that.
I mean, other than give me a blink and break.
You gotta give him credit, the guy did it or got unbelievably lucky or something, but sure as hell, it's quite a clear UFO, very similar to the second UFO my wife and I saw, a disk.
And it flitted about as no normal craft really could.
So I don't know what to say.
They caught it on film.
You can go to the Channel 13 website in Las Vegas and see it for yourself.
Word is, This will be followed now by a whole flurry of UFO sightings in the Las Vegas area.
I could certainly consider myself in that area.
Even a little closer to Area 51.
So I guess it's coming over the next week, if this is any indication.
World News.
What do you say about the French, huh?
French voters soundly rejected the European Union's first Constitution Sunday.
A stinging repudiation of President Jacques Chirac's leadership and the ambitious decades-long effort to unite the continent, Chirac, who had urged voters to approve the charter in the bitterly contested referendum announced the result in a brief televised address at the process of ratifying the treaty, would continue in other EU countries, but the French people are I don't know what to say about the French.
Their capital, Paris, is lovely, Ramona and I love it, but the French people... Boy, I'll tell you, the French people... Very independent.
Iraq police fought pitched battles with insurgents Sunday as thousands of security forces, backed by American troops, swept through Baghdad's streets to flush out militants.
Responsible for, as you know, killing more than 720 people now since Iraq's new government was announced back in April.
Insurgents lashed back.
They killed 30, including a British soldier and a senior U.S.
military intelligence official acknowledges now there are very few indications that they are, quote, packing their bags, end quote.
What kind of world do we live in?
Six people, including two children, were found shot to death Sunday, in neighboring farmhouses, investigators believe one of the dead was responsible for all the killing.
The same family owned both houses on a farm of several hundred acres.
Two bodies were found in one farmhouse and four found in another.
There's a current book out about the end of the world and Ramona will step in here any second and remind me of who... I just read it and handed it to her and it's It's one of the most unique end-of-the-world books that you'll read, and it's a kind of a, without telling you, and it is The Taking by Dean Kunz, thank you.
What can I say about it?
It's what a lot of people, religious people I think, believe is going to happen, or maybe it'll happen this way.
Several of the world's leading international disease experts are calling for more international cooperation and a new kind of vaccine to prepare for a global flu outbreak that could strike one-fifth of the world's population and kill millions.
Since an outbreak has long been called inevitable, once a flu virus circulating in birds infects people and then just mutates a little bit so that it passes easily between people, while bird-to-human infections have, as you know, been happening in Asia, they have not yet spawned a major spread of the virus person-to-person.
Even an optimistic estimate now says a worldwide outbreak could sicken 30 million people, enough to go to the hospital, kill about a quarter of those patients.
Researcher Albert Osterhaus of the Medical Center in Rotterdam said, the Netherlands and colleagues write in Thursday's edition of the journal Nature, other experts are saying, get ready, prepare for a global outbreak called a pandemic.
Now, here's a headline for you.
Chinese government admits to massive epidemics as World Health Organization granted sweeping new powers over all nations and peoples on Earth.
Reports have reached us this morning confirming the recent reports of Russian scientists.
This originally came from Russian, you know, Pravda, stating that China has been battling numerous epidemics and they have not been reported to the World Health Organization.
After stonewalling for weeks, China acknowledged Friday that two epidemics have spread among its animal and bird populations, renewing questions about its readiness to provide prompt information about infectious disease.
In other words, they don't tell.
The belated announcement came amid fresh criticism.
That China's disease surveillance system is inadequate to deal with an avian flu virus that scientists say may turn into a global pandemic amongst humans.
These stories just keep coming.
I'm a woman.
The following story reportedly comes from Czech E-Zine Black Ice Issue No. 1, Sydney, Australia.
Now, prepare yourself.
This has got a sort of a regusting rating of near ten.
Oceanographic scientists say they have discovered a vast floating reef of the world's disposed condoms In the middle of the South Pacific, about halfway between Tahiti and the Antarctic, the phenomenal mass is almost two miles long, an eighth of a mile wide, and in places up to 60 feet deep.
Mason Frow, the Australian marine biologist at his country's oceanographic laboratory outpost on Mark Quay Island, South Pacific, said the bizarre accumulation is explained by a scientific term called like aggregation.
Like aggregation, remember that.
That is the massing of similar objects over short or even longer periods of time due to wind or ocean currents, magnetic fields, buoyancy, and other conditions probably we can't even guess at.
It's fairly common in the world's oceans, he said, Natural events, you know, like red tides, for example, are instances of like aggregation.
People with pets that shed lots of hair can see it in their very own homes, Foul said.
The dog sheds everywhere in the room, but after falling out, the fur soon collects in a few clumps and masses.
Like aggregation.
Foul said.
Ocean reefs of styrofoam and detergent residues have been observed in the South Pacific and everywhere else for many years, but they're usually broken up by storms before they become large or hazardous.
He believes the huge concentration of condoms, not previously reported, is more resilient than other aggregating stuff.
May have been developing for decades.
Fraulein said, parts of the newly discovered reef are matted together so densely that you could almost land a plane on it.
He said, quote, I suppose it'd be funny.
It would be funny if it didn't pose the hazard it does to marine life and navigation.
Fraulein said, I pity any freighter, submarine, or dolphin, for that matter, that might run into it.
The biologist said, That he and his Australian scientific colleagues will have the reef mapped by satellite and monitored from now on to see if it expands, breaks up, or drifts from its current location, reportedly at 63 degrees latitude and 154 degrees longitude, Frow said.
There wouldn't be much point in trying to break up the pulpy mass with explosives or, oh my god, other devices.
It seems pretty indestructible.
Said he.
The world's industrialized nations are estimated to consume and dispose of nearly 300 million condoms per year.
Industry analysts say about a third of those discards become waterborne.
And so then they aggregate.
Now, my wife Ramona pointed out after she finished laughing about all of this, That it is true.
If you, as a human being, walk into an empty movie theater and sit in a conveniently good place to see the screen just right, inevitably the very next person coming in will come in in an empty theater and sit right down next to you, probably sneezing and hacking and coughing.
Well, that I understand.
That's a matter of human behavior, I think.
Or is it?
Are we humans no different than floating condoms?
Do we aggregate?
I said, no, there's got to be a difference.
You know, inanimate objects.
I can understand human behavior.
You know, aggregate.
That's laughing coming from the other room.
Humans have brains, and they do what they do.
But, I mean, inanimate objects.
How do they do that?
NASA scientists say they have made the first sighting of what could be the ultimate July 4th firework.
Now remember, folks, a comet called Tempel 1, the camera was aboard a spacecraft called Deep Impact, closing in on the comet's track.
And on April 25th, at a distance of 39.7 million miles, it caught the first reflected light from its prey.
That's right, you see, it's sneaking up on it.
Deep Impact is going to intercept the four-mile-wide comet and fire a 39-inch copper projectile into it while the two close at 6.3 miles per second on Independence Day.
They're going to film the whole event for excited scientists back here on Earth, 83 million miles away.
Dust and debris And the size of the hole in the comet will answer questions about the makeup of these mysterious visitors.
Some people think it's a bad idea to be exploding... comets.
Somehow or another, the new orbit after impact, well, you just know, if it's like the movies, will be quickly calculated to be... Manhattan.
New NASA Administrator Mike Griffin visiting Kennedy Space Center the other day has made it clear the shuttle is going to get replaced, and soon, too.
I report to the President, he told the press.
The President has said we're retiring the orbiter by 2010, and that's just what we're going to do.
The agency should have a transition plan ready by summer's end, he said, that would outline how much of the International Space Station might actually be finished By the time the shuttles are finished.
Now, I don't know if this is the answer or not, but I feel compelled to read it to you.
You know there is a mystery in Death Valley of rocks, big rocks, moving along the floor of Death Valley at night, mysteriously.
And Bob in San Diego writes, Dear Art, after hearing you describe the moving desert rocks as an unsolved mystery, I just had to write to let you know what a friend of mine discovered.
These moving rocks are generally found on dry lake beds, which have a high content of evaporated salt.
So, when it rains in the desert, the lake beds absorb the moisture and the salt partially dissolves.
The rocks are then partially buoyed, buoyed up, by the high brine content slush, which also lowers the friction between the rocks and the lake beds.
Aha, then the wind blows across the lake.
Sufficient force is generated to overcome the friction between rocks and the bed to allow the rocks to move fairly long distances.
Mystery solved.
Well, maybe, Bob, but we also get rocks moving down at the bottom of Death Alley on windless nights.
How would that occur?
After 35 years in prison for stealing a black-and-white TV set, Junior Allen is now a free man.
Allen, 65 years of age now, walked out of prison Friday, ending a case that attracted widespread attention because he remained in jail while other inmates convicted of murder, rape, child molestation, all came and went.
Said he, I'm glad to be out.
I've done just too much time for what I did.
Won't be truly happy until I see a sign that says, I'm out of North Carolina.
Alan was a 30-year-old migrant farm worker from Georgia with a criminal history that included burglaries and a violent assault when he sneaked into the unlocked house, stole a 19-inch black and white TV set worth 140 bucks.
Some state records say Alan roughed up the 87-year-old woman who lived there, but he was never convicted of that.
Instead, he was sentenced in 1970 to life in prison for second-degree burglary.
The penalty for the events since has been changed to a maximum of three years in the pokey.
The State Parole Commission decided last year to release Allen if he behaved and completed a transition work release program.
Well, he worked at a restaurant, washing dishes and floors, had no prison infractions during the past three years, and so now he's out.
It would be his 26th try at parole.
So, including five years of that, he could gain complete freedom by age 70.
All this for a TV.
For a black and white TV.
The joke in the house is... How much time would he have gotten if he'd stolen a color TV?
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost.
She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below.
She shouted to him, excuse me, can you help me?
I promised a friend that I'd meet him an hour ago and I don't know where I am.
The man consulted his handy portable GPS and replied, why, you're 30 feet above sea level.
You're at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
She rolled her eyes and said, you've got to be a Democrat.
I am, the man replied.
How'd you know?
Well, answered the balloonist, everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information and I'm still lost, frankly.
You've not been much help to me.
The man smiled and responded, Well, you must be a Republican.
I am, replied the balloonist.
How'd you know?
Well, said the man, you know where you are.
You don't know where you are or where you're going.
You've risen Where you are due to a large quantity of hot air.
You made a promise, uh, that you have no idea how to keep.
Then you expect me to solve your problems.
You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow now it's my fault.
So you see, every now and then, I am somewhat political.
Alright, uh, this night we will, uh, that's about as far as I go, we'll take, uh, You recalls, anything you would like to talk about is kind of fair game and open lines.
At the top of the hours, I explain Paul Stonehill will be here.
He'll talk about the Tunguska explosion.
I think that's an extremely mysterious explosion in that, well, it knocked down trees for a 40-mile circle, at least.
I mean, just flattened them, right?
Those trees are all gone.
But without a crater, so the size of the explosion would indicate that it would be something large enough to hit the earth and create a crater as we have in Arizona, right?
But no.
I wonder if scientists have looked very carefully for some kind of residual radiation.
My guess being that it could have been something other than what we thought, and also the amount of energy released to Tunguska.
is incredibly more than you would expect from a mid-air explosion of that magnitude.
I mean, the whole event is pretty weird, but again, so are a lot of other things that are going on in Russia, and tonight's guest is an expert on things that have gone on in Russia during the secretive years when they didn't tell us.
Well, now they're telling us, and some of it is pretty wild stuff.
That's what we're going to be covering tonight, but coming up next All of you.
We'll throw the lines over.
From the high desert in the middle of a kind of a neat night, I'm Art Bell.
Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell.
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Baby on a shoulder.
I'm a step in the deep, my life's a losing sky But what it's saying is what I had in mind
Everything Always wanting more
Feeling and longing for Black feathers
And a tiny little boy's smile Black feathers
When the flames howl over me And I just want to run out this way
Somewhere along this showroom that you guys saw In the last night you turned your faces
And turned your backs on me It's too late now
It's too late now, you're gone It's awful.
It's too late now.
But still, walk through the night It's time to take a chance
Yeah, the storm won't lose Sirens in my head
Rattles, sirens, calls, circuits in dead.
Frantic code.
My whole life spins into a frenzy.
Sounds like feathers to the twilight zone.
The exit's a madhouse.
Seems like we belong.
I can't help it, I'm caught in the moving stars And I know now that I'm going to fall
Good morning everybody I'm Art Bell, and if you'll only listen very carefully, I've got telephone numbers so that you can get on the show if you've got something intriguing to tell us all about.
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Imagine being an American submarine commander and having to come back to base and explain to the Pacific Command that
your submarine is limping back into base because it collided with a giant mountain of congealed, gathered condoms.
Incidentally, there are photographs to go with the Stonehill story tonight, UFO photographs that we've got up on the
website.
So you really might want to take a look at that, as well as mentioning again this Yahweh thing.
Crazy, I admit, absolutely crazy.
However, I mean, there it is.
It's astounding.
It really did happen.
They really did catch the video.
He stood there and prayed for the UFOs, and there they came.
So a couple of people have complained they can't find the video.
I was sending the link around to some friends, so it is up there.
I'm just not sure where.
Somebody tell Channel 13 to get that out there prominently.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
First time caller, great show, love it.
Thank you.
Doing a great job, and I hope you get on five days a week sometime.
Well, I've had that experience.
Where are you, sir?
California.
California.
And your first name?
Wayne.
Okay, Wayne.
So what else is up?
I was wondering, like, how come there's been no mainstream media coverage of the Brazilians coming out with their UFO knowledge and everything?
Okay, let me try and answer that.
The American media for the most part is brain dead.
We are having a long discussion last night after the program with some friends about the American media in general, and it is an odd bunch.
And they do every now and then run UFO stories, but what the gentleman just referred to, Brazil, Actually, making everything public is a monstrous story and they haven't touched it.
So, I really don't know how to tell you about the American media, except to say that if one of them One of the major services should pick it up.
Then suddenly it will be everywhere.
And that gives you, I guess, an insight into the pack nature of the media.
What one does, they all do.
So I don't have a better answer than that.
It's just sort of a pack mentality out there.
And until it makes one of the big ones, then it just doesn't make it.
That's all there is to it.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
This is Blair and Sedona.
Yes.
Peter Gersten, the UFO lawyer, forwarded me this thing today.
Actually, it's called Gear Up for Deep Impact Comet Crash, and it tells who can see it at the best location and time.
Yes.
And it happens to be the folks in the westernmost region of North America, us, around 11 p.m.
Pacific Daylight Time on July 3rd.
And it's supposed to be on July 3rd.
Well, this is going to be the 4th of July for people on the East Coast.
You have three hours.
Gotcha.
Okay.
You're right.
And you look low in the southwestern sky in the constellation of Virgo, about three and a half degrees northeast of the bright stars.
Spica or Spica?
I don't know.
It's one of those stars.
One of those bright ones.
Yeah, and of course I'd like to reiterate my prediction I made of number 68 about this is a bad thing to do on your New Year's Eve program.
Yes, I join you in that view.
Just somehow or another, maybe I've read too much science fiction.
But, doggone it, always after something like this, then the scientists, you know, everybody's going, oh, oh!
And then some guy over in the corner's doing a little calculation.
Wait a minute.
Look, Manhattan!
Well, yeah, there's some folks that believe it's by design a part of the electrical circuitry of our solar system, like a nerve synapse.
And energetically, it could be devastating, like a resonance or bouncing ball effect.
Thank you very much for the call, and yes, he did make a New Year's prediction about this very event.
be doom and gloom but come on folks it's not shoot first and ask questions later
uh...
thank you very much for the call and uh... yes he did make a new year's
prediction about this very event i don't know that i buy into the sort of resonating
uh...
abdominal effects uh...
I don't think I buy into that, but inevitably something goes wrong with, you know, schemes like this.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good evening, Art.
My name is Don from Copley, Pennsylvania.
I hope I can mention two things.
I know time is short.
You mentioned about the flu stories and that they just keep coming.
Yes.
And I find it fascinating then also to get the other side of the story in a way from
the john rapport uh... who seems to think that these uh... stories are just
like a con you know i mean
but then i don't i don't think they're like a con at all
i think that uh...
they know damn well it's going to happen They just know.
I mean, you know, they can see the beginning of changes in this virus, and they have seen clearly what it can do to birds, and now we're getting the reports from China on the size of the epidemics going on, you know, just among the animal population there.
They've been hiding.
No, I think this is real.
That's unfortunate.
You know, as I said, I wanted to mention one other thing, and I wondered if you or even Any of your listeners had any experience with the twin coil ferrite antenna with the CC Radio Plus?
I have a Dickens of a time with a Jason station when I'm trying to get my Baltimore Orioles to win first place and I wondered if you had used the twin coil Yeah, it's wonderful for that.
It's got a very, you know, it's got a very high Q. So, such a high Q that you can virtually annihilate an adjacent station.
So, yeah, it works.
It really works.
Ah, boy, that would be something because I use a regular, you know, a selected tenor.
And I wonder if you or anybody else may feel that the twin coil does a better job than just a regular selected tenor.
I would use both.
Oh, absolutely use both.
Of course, there's nothing like the Selecta Tenna for incredible gain.
You know, it's the most amazing device I've ever used.
How about you?
I have found it fascinating.
I mean, I use it with the CC Radio Plus, even the Yacht Boy 400, and many, many other radios, too.
Numerous dimensions of this show.
The Selecta Tenna is a unique device.
It actually was the first thing that the Sea Crane Company ever sold.
And it was originally invented as an aircraft direction finder.
Believe it or not.
And they found out, oh my God, look what it does with the radio.
And so they modified it a little bit.
And it's this, it doesn't use batteries, it doesn't use anything like that.
It's just a large inductive antenna that couples.
You put it next to your radio and tune it, and oh, it'll increase your sensitivity, your radio sensitivity.
Many, many times.
You will hear things you would never hear otherwise.
Well, I agree.
I pick up Baltimore from here, and we're about maybe 200 miles.
But I, you know, sometimes I just would like to pick it up better, and I also have a devilish time with the TV interference.
I don't know if editing can help that.
I understand that, but I'm a realist.
But I'm a baseball fan, and I'm an AM listener.
Of course, if you listen to Coast to Coast AM, you almost have to be.
Someday, those old TVs will die.
All of the old ones that make the noise will die and go away.
And we'll have a new breed of noise.
Now, of course, we have the newer plasma televisions, and they do create electronic noise.
Warning to fellow ham radio operators, they actually Hi, I'm Charles.
noise when I bought my plasma I actually took a little radio down the guy in the
store thought I was out of my mind and I put it on the shortwave bands and
backed away from each one of the televisions until I found a particular
model that did not radiate like a bandit and that's the one I went for.
Bust for the Rockies you're on the air. Hi. Hi I'm Charles on Kauai. I've invented an
energy source that absorbs random thermal radio noise.
You've invented a device that absorbs random thermal radio noise?
Yes, this is a diode array works and it aggregates the noise of many diodes which are aligned the same way.
Ah, I've heard of this.
That's right.
It's been me.
Yeah, right.
A diode array which virtually is collecting free energy and You, sir, are offering to send me some kind of little toy or something that will demonstrate this?
Yeah, I've been thinking about that easy thing I could do with it.
But, listen, you've been talking about this for years, and, you know, I've been begging for the toy for years.
Just any little demo, and you're still talking, but I don't have the toy yet.
Okay, I'll try to make an electromagnet.
That's easy for the prototype.
I mean, I'm by myself.
Somebody gave me a quote of, well I can't really say it over the radio, but five figures to make a prototype with the nanotechnology network.
So, I'll try.
Alright, well he's been calling me for years now.
Years, and it's not that I doubt, but I do want to see some kind of proof.
Some little something, even a toy, that is demonstrating over unity in some manner.
You know.
Quit calling the show.
Send me a toy.
Then I'll have you as a guest.
You're on the air coast-to-coast AM with Art Bell.
Hello.
Hey, Mr. Bell.
How you doing?
My name is Dave Cohen from Columbus, Ohio.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to tell you a little story about a haunted house a buddy of mine, Doug, grew up in.
They lived there about 17 years and all the family members and in-laws and everything.
Swore they saw all kinds of things.
I had a little strange intention of having them myself.
Anyway, they moved out and they've been out for a few years now.
And, uh, I wasn't aware of EVPs and stuff like that back in the time that I lived there.
I was curious, if I was to go to the doorstep of this house and, uh, ask them, you know, if I could come in and do readings or whatnot, if they got wise to the fact that I knew the family who lived there before, would you know, like, would that infringe on the contract somehow?
Um, I really can't answer that.
You know, if you inform them that they live in a haunted house, that's what you're saying, right?
Yeah.
I wouldn't do that.
No.
No, I don't think I'd do that.
Alright, I'm just curious.
Actually, believe it or not, there are legal tangles that develop, and if you actually live in a haunted house, I believe that it is incumbent upon you in many places to inform the potential buyers that you live in a haunted house.
So, I think the better policy would be Don't tell.
And if you do, I mean, just think of what it's going to put people through.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Yeah.
Hi, Art.
How you doing?
Quite well, sir.
I just can't believe it.
I prayed before I got on and I said, Lord, if I'm supposed to be on, let me get through.
And I've never called before.
And this is my first time calling.
Well, the Lord has done well by you here.
I guess so.
Anyways, I just had something to say about Prophet Yahweh.
Yes.
Prophet Yahweh.
Yeah.
What I have to say is Actually, there's a scripture that talks about how the false prophet will call fire down from heaven, and he'll deceive many.
In the interview, he said a lot of people wanted him dead.
Well, it's not that I would want him dead, because that's none of my business.
It's just that I wouldn't trust what he says.
Well, I don't know about what he says, but when he's able to stand there, call the TV crews in, and produce a UFO, it's impressive.
Yeah, to me, I'm impressed.
I'm definitely impressed.
That's the whole idea.
It's impressive, though.
But if you also think about how Elijah was taken away in a chariot of fire, and now he's calling fire down from heaven.
The same thing.
There's a dark side and a light side.
So actually, what I'm saying could be blasphemy if it's not true.
So I'm taking a chance just by saying it.
Well, you are.
Your immortal soul is in it.
No, I don't mean that.
I don't mean that.
Everybody could be forgiven for what they did wrong.
Well, let's just watch this and see how it plays out.
It is, based on what he's done so far, very interesting.
So, we'll see how it plays out.
And the next week, in my particular area of the world, the southwestern desert, should be a very, very interesting week.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, sir.
From Las Vegas, man.
On a lighter note, I'm this prophet guy here in our hometown, man.
Let's look at it this way.
Like, let's say they're ridiculous.
They travel on an immense galactic, like, area to come, not to Disneyland, but to Las Vegas.
You know, we got the rooms.
Well, remember, sir, what comes here stays here, right?
What happens here stays here.
Yeah, well, you know, what happens here stays here to an extent.
I mean, just think about that.
A spaceport in Las Vegas?
Workers at Sherry's Ranch?
You know, that could be insane.
Why not?
Why not?
This is such an unusual place we live in out here.
It's unlike any other.
It really is.
Nevada itself is an unusual state.
A wondrous and unusual state that doesn't follow along very much behind its neighbor.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Larry in Florida?
Yes, Larry.
Hey, I've got an idea about why the American media has not picked up on the Russian UFO deal yet.
Do tell.
Because they're afraid if they do pick up on the Russian UFO deal, it's going to force the American government to release all the information they have on UFOs, and they don't want to release it.
Well, you've got a good point.
In other words, there would be a comparison made.
Gee, the free, open Brazilians are Russians, and the tight-lipped Americans.
Yep.
Alright, it's a good point.
Okay.
Alright, thank you very much.
That could be it.
Some sort of directive from the top.
You know, the guys with the rings and the handshakes, right?
I wouldn't know anything about that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
This is Bill from Mason.
Yes.
I just wanted to give you a call.
I actually spoke to you back in 94 about a UFO I saw in Las Vegas.
The reason why I'm calling tonight was the collective consciousness that you have been discussing a lot lately.
Oh, yes.
Tell people, or the Mayan calendar ends in the year 2012, what could it be that we all are going to collectively, consciously, or collective consciously, make this the end of the world happen?
Make it actually happen?
You know, I've always thought, you know, maybe the Mayans got sick of making calendars.
Who knows why they stopped in 2012?
And we're making perhaps more of it than we should, but your point is a good one.
And that is, it may be that collective consciousness actually precipitates events to occur that otherwise would not occur, and we could bring about the end of the world ourselves.
I think that's what's going to happen.
The monster from the id, right?
That's what it is, a monster from the id inside.
I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
First time caller line.
We're short on time, but you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hey, pleasure to talk to you.
Andy, where are you and what is your first name?
I'm a truck driver somewhere in South Carolina on I-20 eastbound.
My name's Terry.
Good enough for me.
Okay, Terry.
Hey, I saw one of your black triangles about six months ago.
Yes, it was...
I wasn't as close as you were, but I would guesstimate it was probably a couple of miles in front of me, moving across the horizon.
It was about, from my viewpoint, about treetop level, and it was huge.
I'm talking about, like, aircraft carrier size.
Yes.
Just slowly, just moving across the sky.
It freaked me out.
Well, Colm Connoher reported quite extensively on this phenomena, and you know what?
They haunt These black triangles actually haunt the interstates.
And if it really was U.S.
experimental military stuff that they didn't want seen, the last damn place they'd fly them would be over the interstates of this country.
To be seen by everybody.
And you know, so none of this makes any sense at all.
I give it a 50-50 probability that it's U.S.
Experimental Secret Aircraft.
But... I was near Shaw Air Force Base.
Well, you're sort of always near a base of one kind or another, relatively.
Why would they fly down interstate?
Now, that doesn't make any sense at all.
I have no idea.
It just freaked me out.
I called the local airport in the area, and they said they didn't see anything on their radar.
Not a thing?
Nope.
Yeah, I know.
I was insulted even more than that.
After we saw, my wife and I saw that triangle we saw, there was a story.
A local paper consulted Nellis Air Force Base, and they said, why yes, there was a secret mission that may have overflown the Pahrump Valley that night, and it was a C-130 aircraft.
What an insult.
I flew in a C-130.
Man, they'd rattle your teeth.
This was no C-130.
It didn't even have engines.
All right, buddy.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Art.
Appreciate it.
You have a good night.
Drive safely out there from the high desert in the middle of the darkness.
In the next hour, we're going to explore what the Russians have had to say since the wall came down.
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In his youth, Paul helped smuggle people out from behind the Iron Curtain, aided
dissidents, smuggled banned literature into the USSR, graduated from
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of Afghanistan.
He's lucky to be here alive at all tonight.
And also about UFO and anomalous phenomena.
In October of 1993, Omni Magazine featured a story about Paul's work and the research center that he had created back in 1991, the Russian Ufology Research Center.
After the fall of communism, his articles were published throughout Russia and the Ukraine.
Since 1989, Paul has consulted for American television and motion picture production companies, as well as corporate entities.
His areas of expertise are Russian history, Soviet covert operations, corporate security issues for expatriate workers, warfare in the former USSR, cross-cultural training, anomalous phenomena in Eastern Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and China.
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in a moment, Paul Stonehill.
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As promised, here is Paul Stonehill.
Paul, welcome to the program.
Thank you so much.
It's really good to have you.
I mean, you have so much that people in this audience haven't heard before.
I think the first question I want to ask you is, the Russian people have always been fascinated with, to a much greater extent, the paranormal phenomena that goes on in this world around us, much more than we have.
And why the particular fascination by the Russian people?
First of all, The country itself wasn't a huge piece of land.
And you have reports coming from all over.
Sometimes published, sometimes not, but people could exchange information.
And whether it's the sands of the Gobi Desert, and the huge worms that exist there, or the Arctic territories, or Siberia with strange animals sometimes, and reports of Gigantic UFOs over the tundra.
Reports like that came from all over.
And some people actually, thank God, put them down on paper to the ages.
And once somebody like me starts putting it all together, you see astonishing patterns coming about.
And the correlation between reports that go back a thousand years and something that happened under the Soviet eyes.
Or is that a secret belief?
People, Russian people themselves, are just like anybody else.
But, you know, they're maybe more inclined to read, to study culture.
They have a belief that they have a special soul.
Nothing racist, but, you know, they have special feelings about themselves.
And maybe they're not as practical as some other nations.
I think Ukrainians, where I'm from, are much more practical.
And all this gives an impetus to study Russian paranormal phenomena, among which UFO phenomena, for example.
There is a big fascination with it, though, among the Russian people.
Anyway, why did the KGB send expeditions to the forbidden Kola Peninsula?
Why was it forbidden?
It's forbidden because it has, officially, a lot of good resources that very few other Parts of Russia would have.
But also it has ancient artifacts that, you know, age back, I would say, to the times of Stonehenge or before that.
It contains ancient labyrinths, mazes that are as secretive, as mysterious as those ones on the Crete Island and elsewhere.
And they look identical.
Now, such mazes are called Babylons.
Who named them that?
Nobody knows.
But besides that, the peninsula itself may hide the ancient northern Atlantis.
Something that Nazis were very much interested in, too, and were trying to get to the peninsula.
But even before Nazi Germany became what it was, in 1920s, the KGB sent special expeditions to study an interesting so-called psychic phenomena.
of the natives and at the same time to gather information about the strange areas about around Lake Seed, Ozero.
Very, very enigmatic place.
We don't know everything, but we do know that the expeditions went out.
And what were they specifically looking for?
They were looking for, I would say, And they sent the KGB to do this?
Well, but you see, the situation was that one of the heads of the KGB, it was called different at the time, but we'll call it that, Gleb Boki, was himself very much interested in the paranormal and created a special laboratory under the guidance of the KGB, and he had psychics, he had people who had researched Shambhala.
Borchenko was one of his top specialists, a very interesting person, a doctor, a scientist.
And they worked hand in hand, but you see, they also belonged to a secret organization
that wanted to promote paranormal brotherhood under socialist guise, but not a Soviet group.
And in 1937, they were killed by Stalin.
Can I, recently, in fact, over the years, Paul, I have read some really, truly incredible stories in Pravda.
you.
Is Pravda dependable from that point of view?
I mean, it printed a story, you may have seen it, about an amazing sort of a mist in which time travel seemed to occur, and a lot of stories like this You come from Pravda, and I'm just sort of asking you if Pravda is generally dependable, or is it full of a lot of BS?
There is some BS, but Pravda today is not what Pravda used to be under the Communists.
I think it went bankrupt in 1991, and some private group purchased it.
Basically, what they do is they figured out that there is a lot of interest in Russian paranormal.
And, you know, people see what I do, they become interested, and they, you know, to be modest, I'm not the only one, but I think here I'm an expert.
They put together stories and they publish them because it helps to sell the newspaper.
Sometimes they're not very accurate, but I think they're trying to do a good job.
Well, there have certainly been some strange stories over the years.
Perhaps, for example, the story about the very deepest hole ever drilled in Siberia.
That could be real or a hoax.
I don't know.
What do you think?
I don't think so.
I don't think so about that.
God knows there are enough paranormal stories about the strange lands of Russia, and things that have happened there for thousands of years.
But don't keep an eye on Pravda.
I think they published a very interesting story about a Caspian Sea amphibian creature, which is very interesting to me because I have quite a lot about ancient amphibious beings that were registered by Soviet military.
And so I like to correlate.
You do pick up some interesting things from Pravda.
They use some of the sources I do, my good friends, people like Nikolai Subbotin or Vadim Chernobov in Russia.
So, you know, they do go after some good sources.
You have, of course, a number of ongoing contacts in Russia still?
Yes, yes.
I do.
It's not as easy today to get information as it was when the Soviet Union was falling apart.
Oh, really?
Absolutely.
Russia is a state in search of itself, and the way the search goes, it's becoming more secretive.
It wants to exert power.
It feels vulnerable.
And I'm not defending them.
First of all, you know, Ukraine being an independent state is more It's something that I would... I don't want to say feel allegiance to, but I know politics of Ukraine, let's say, better than Russian.
I don't want to stick my nose in something that doesn't interest me.
But Russia today is feeling vulnerable.
They're afraid of the NATO expansion.
That's what they see.
Well, I can't say that I blame them.
They went from an empire to sort of an isolated position.
How is Russia now, and I suppose Ukraine as well, doing economically?
Are they on the first steps getting back on their feet?
Russia has gone back to its feet because of oil.
Oil has helped a lot.
Now, the situation is how is the money distributed?
I think Putin is trying to do the best he can.
Russia could have a much worse leader than Vladimir Putin.
And, you know, at the same time, I really hate what he was trying to do in Ukraine not long ago.
And, you know, I was never hiding my views.
But at the same time, I must say that this person is putting Russia together as a strong and powerful state.
They have a lot of threats, or what they perceive as threats, and they have to pull together.
At the same time, it reflects the new pride in national spirit and the army, which is not such a good army, still.
Not such a good army, still, huh?
No, not such a good army.
They're very corrupt.
They have the old Soviet army bosses that still run the army, and it's neglected.
Young recruits are treated badly.
They can't win a small war in Chechnya, and they're having some strides.
I wouldn't say that it's what it should be.
What about this lake that we've been reading about?
What can you tell me about it?
Oh, there are so many interesting lakes.
Well, there's Lake Ladoga in the area not far from St.
Petersburg.
That's a very interesting situation.
For hundreds of years, reports came from that lake.
Objects would come out and go back into the lake, disks, gigantic cigar-like shapes.
There are some strange things that happen at the very bottom of the lake that have been recorded.
Now, in the modern times, we know that the Soviets and the Russians today have been conducting military experiments in the area, but researchers In that area, when they start correlating information, they can't understand what's going on.
It definitely is not a military-related pattern of incidents.
And there's nothing they can do, the military themselves, too.
So you think the military, along with everybody else, is just monitoring it and trying to figure out what's going on?
Nowadays, they may not even have enough money to monitor it, but they do know it's not theirs.
Under the Soviet times, they had an excellent research, and I always try to bring it up, and in my book I cover it quite a lot.
The book I talk about, I should mention it, is something that I and Philip Mantle put together.
It's called UFO-USSR, and it's available now.
And I'm very proud of the effort.
We went after as many Soviet programs, research secret programs, as possible, and we put down names, dates, incidents, And the more somebody reads about it, the more fascinating you become.
How the Soviets paid attention to the UFO phenomenon.
They wanted to know what's flying over their missiles, over their nuclear silos, over their nuclear power stations.
And you also find out how the United States intelligence community wanted to find out also.
Of course they did.
Paul, we had an incident, a very large incident, in which disks appeared over and disabled some of our ICBM sites in this country.
There was a similar story, which I saw, and I'll never forget, about Russia in which disks hovered above Russian ICBM sites and actually initiated launch sequences.
Is that a true story?
The story is true.
1982, Ukraine.
And basically, you know, come down to it, a nuclear war could have been able to... A nuclear war could have started at any moment.
And that's one of the most sinister cases, but by no means the only case of an interruption.
I'm sure that's not all, but I want to be straight on what actually did happen.
The story I got was that these ICBMs actually went into launch sequence.
The countdown began.
They couldn't stop it.
They ended up ripping out consoles and checking everything out and never did find anything wrong.
I mean, is that basically... Never did find anything wrong.
You're right.
And that's what happened.
And a few people got gray hair because of that.
But the situation is that years later, for some reason, they're trying to change the story.
Some of those involved.
Not all, but some.
In 1982, you almost had a nuclear war that was triggered because the launch codes for the ICBMs Definitely, you know, enable, and nobody knows how.
And it was a gigantic UFO.
I don't think it was more than one.
It was over an ICBM base in Ukraine.
And somebody named Boris Sokolov, who was part of the secret military research program, who told that story years ago, today is trying to change it.
And he may be under pressure.
I don't want to discuss why.
What I do want to say is that people like Mr. Plotkin, who was a Liason between the civilian and the military branches of the program.
He comes out and says, oh no, what happened did happen before, and there is a lot more to talk about.
And this guy, he's a colonel, he's the leading paranormal phenomena expert of the Russian Defense Ministry.
So, you can see that, you know, nothing is clear, nothing ever is in the Russian UFO or paranormal research.
You have the state secrets mixed together, You have, you know, different interests, but one picture comes out, no matter what anybody says or denies.
Strange objects have been sighted over Russia for thousands of years.
I mean it.
Under the Soviet times, they have buzzed over most secret Soviet installations.
Stalin wanted to know what they were, Khrushchev wanted to know people after them.
But they did know enough not to attack them.
Alright, hold it right there.
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You've really got to wonder what they were doing when they did what they did.
I refer now to the objects that hovered over US silos, disabling quite a large number of ICBMs,
literally taking them out of service.
They ripped everything up, never could find a cause for it.
But then imagine an officer in the Soviet rocket service down in his silo watching the code being entered and watching the launch sequence to the end of the world begin as the saucers hovered Right above your facility, watching the beginning of the end of the world.
That must have been some experience.
I wonder if the message was simply, we are in control of what happens.
We can cause war, or we can stop retaliation.
I don't know, but I'll bet you at the highest levels, both here in America and in the Soviet Union at that time, a lot of wondering about all that went on.
Huh, Paul?
I am sure, and like I said, this was not the only time.
The message has been sent many times in the Soviet Union, as an example.
Gigantic objects appeared over Soviet nuclear submarines.
Soviet nuclear submarines were chased by huge, super-fast objects under the water.
You also have... Under the water?
Now that's the first time I think I've heard about that.
Quite a lot.
We have a huge chapter in that book, UFO-USSR, dedicated to the underwater phenomena.
Because we've been able to collect so much From interesting sources.
The bottom line is, through the history of the Soviet Navy, you had objects that approached Soviet submarines, the so-called croakers, who would emit strange sounds but never harm the submarines.
Croakers?
You called them croakers?
Croakers, because they emitted sounds like croaking, like a frog would do.
You know, similar.
And the Soviet submariners were able to record such, and they were so apprehensive about it that they have created a special program to study it.
They wanted to know what danger such objects would make for Soviet submarines.
But that was not the only incident.
Paul, they're sure these croakers were not biologicals of some sort?
If so, then we have many life forms on this planet that we know nothing about.
That's true.
And I think the more I study Soviet and Russian UFO phenomena, the more I'm convinced we know very little about our own planet.
And there are life forms next to us that study us and want to see if we present any danger.
And I think humans do present quite a lot of danger with ecology and so forth, because you can see UFO incidents reported over Soviet Areas where contamination has occurred, or Chernobyl, or the Urals, where Soviets conducted secret tests and experiments.
There's a very strange story going around right now about the children in the area of influence at Chernobyl, that they have somehow higher IQs.
Is that a ridiculous story?
I think so.
I think what they have is a higher incidence of cancer.
That's what I've heard, yes.
Unfortunately.
I've just spoken to somebody a few days ago from Byelorussia.
This was the area most affected by Chernobyl's tragedy.
And it's horrible what's going on there.
But, you know, people come back.
People have nothing to live on.
So they go back to the villages around the area and they settle there.
And, you know, they take the consequences.
What else can you do?
There are so many poor people.
The economies do not work for the most part.
If we go back, you know, any subject we touch, there's always some secrecy involved.
Since we're touching Chernobyl for a second, Paul, do you know what the true state of Chernobyl now is?
I've heard these, you know, 60 Minutes here did a big report on the crumbling structure, the sarcophagus over Chernobyl, that it's just disintegrating.
It is, and it's in a very dangerous state, but I also know that the United States government, now that Ukraine has changed a lot, U.S.
government is going to give them a hand, and it's a good thing.
But you should also know that Chernobyl, long ago this incident, there were reports of malfunctions, and the Ukrainian current KGB, what it is today, they published some reports about it, we have some in our book.
It's horrible, they knew what was going to happen, and they did nothing.
They knew what was going to happen?
Well, let's put it down this way.
They knew a malfunction can cause a very bad incident.
And nobody got burned for that, except people who received radiation.
You haven't seen any court cases in the former Soviet Union?
No.
No, I haven't seen anything like the Nuremberg Process in Germany?
No, nothing like that.
So many things of this magnitude seem to end up that way, like it's nobody's fault.
But you know, they really messed up the ecology of the Soviet Union, anywhere.
And they did secret underground nuclear tests, and they've experimented on people and others.
You know, through the Soviet history.
Sometimes more, sometimes less.
But no matter what they did, they had UFOs registered over Well, you know, Paul, the whole UFO thing seems to have gone up and out of control after we exploded the first atomic bomb.
Look where the sightings were, and look how close all of that was together.
It seemed to begin then, and isn't it reasonable to assume, Paul, That another intelligent race would take very careful note of the first use of an atomic bomb and then monitor very closely after that.
Absolutely.
But I also must go back in history to 1908 in Tunguska over Siberia when something strange exploded or imploded.
I was talking about that in the first hour.
Something is wrong with that whole story of Tunguska.
Something's wrong.
I mean, you have this giant explosion that, it's my understanding, flattened trees in a 40-mile circle, roughly.
Thousands of kilometers.
Thousands of kilometers, and there was no impact point for anything.
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i don't guess i really want to talk about this a little bit Let's back up a little bit.
You said magnetic disturbances.
This created magnetic disturbances that were recorded or known.
How is that known?
Well, Siberian Institutes and other entities throughout the world have recorded Strange readings of the disturbances in the magnetic field of the planet.
And, you know, they've jotted down, and people who have studied the area, who have studied it, whether with an intent or not, were amazed, scientists, at what's going on.
You know, it's something strange.
It's an object that, like we said, flattens 2100 square kilometers of force, leaves no Craters, no obvious fragments.
Nobody knows what it was, but I know that it has caused subsequent mutations, and there was an ecological impact.
There has been so much, and we still do not know what it is.
Magnetic disturbances, mutations, all of that sounds like radiation, doesn't it?
Some of it, but it was more than radiation.
It was obviously more.
I just wanted to let you know that one of the most interesting consequences was that in 1908 in Russia, a number of geniuses was born much better, and not only in Russia, much larger than subsequently or previously when it was recorded.
Somebody did a study like that.
You know, you had tens of millions of people around the globe who saw what the aftermath was.
You know, the night itself had disappeared to the west of the explosion.
Through Western Siberia and Europe.
There was a darkness for 72 hours.
You never had it before.
You know, you had a few nights over Northern Europe.
You had darkness for 72 hours?
In fact, there were several nights over Northern Europe when the sky glowed enough to light the streets of London.
In the Irkutsk Observatory, that's in Siberia, they had reported disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field 900 kilometers southeast of the epicenter.
That, you know, it was the local, that area, geomagnetic disturbance was similar to some effects that follow middle and high altitude nuclear explosions in the atmosphere.
But there was some kind of delay.
It occurred after the explosion, such disturbances.
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Absolutely.
And the book that you want to get is, uh, The Soviet UFO Files.
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UFO-USSR?
Yes.
Thank you.
And now, you know, I'll let people know maybe later again, but now you can ask me whatever you want, because I just want to let you know that there is so much information.
Military reports, intelligence reports, Soviet space, Soviet cosmonauts reports about UFOs.
But based on what little I know of Tunguska, it's so interesting, none of it None of it adds up to a meteorite, which would normally be nickel and iron and some other things, and it certainly would not produce magnetic disturbances, I would not think, normally.
It certainly would not produce radiation-like mutations of humans and plants and animals.
Something else happened over Tunguska, not a meteorite.
We give hypotheses.
We present all hypotheses.
One of them was given by a Russian scientist who unfortunately was murdered in 1995.
And we give his reasons.
Two objects actually collided over the Tunguska.
And those huge objects were extraterrestrial spaceships, nuclear-powered spaceships.
And the explosion was such as to cause the consequences.
But there is also something else you need to know.
Okay, now that's a pretty big stretch, Paul.
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from Mars or Venus to get to Earth.
Okay, now that's a pretty big stretch, Paul. When you say that you know that two extraterrestrial
craft exploded over Tunguska or collided over Tunguska...
I mean, how do you know that?
I don't know.
No, I don't say I know, but we put down reports, scientific studies and measurements of the objects that were flying from different directions.
Who said it?
When?
I mean, we want to be very detailed because this is the most interesting UFO Incident in the whole Russian history of the paranormal phenomena.
Was it supposedly a complete annihilation of both objects?
Was there subsequently anything ever found?
Some people claim that there have been finds.
There is a Russian scientist that claims that last year he went to the site, he found something, he wants to come out with a report.
We mentioned his name too on what he has.
I don't like to speculate, I like to see things.
That's why, and I was very much interested, Art, to find out that Joseph Stalin sent special expedition to the site in 1949.
We don't know what he collected, but he was very much interested.
This guy was no-nonsense.
He knew what he wanted.
Stalin?
Oh, yes.
Well, have any of these files been made public?
Some research documents are public.
Stalin's files, I don't think we'll ever see them.
Oh?
It's a state secret, but things leak out.
You can't have complete secrecy in such a nation.
Too many people knew things, and they come out.
And that's how we were able to find out about strange expeditions to the site, you know, just a few times after it happened.
Well, I do believe that people who study Tunguska will come up with a gigantic question mark about the so-called You know, mainstream story, it just doesn't add up.
None of it adds up.
None of it does.
And you've really documented the fact that more, a very large number of geniuses were born in that area following that explosion.
There is more.
There is more.
And once we get into the area of the intelligence, foreign intelligence interest in the area, you will read about the MI5.
And one scandalous story.
We'll also get somehow to the SDI research and scientists who had disappeared in England, a number of scientists who had studied UFOs.
Now, the British were... I'm sorry, SDI research, not UFOs.
The British were very much interested in what was going on in Tunguska and in the so-called comet weapons.
Through or not, I don't know, but I have to present information available to us.
And it all ties in, and at the same time, it still is one of the biggest mysteries there can be.
So anyway, your conclusion is that two actual ships collided, producing some sort of radioactive explosion.
Not my conclusion.
Conclusion of a One of the top Russian scientists.
Do you agree with that conclusion?
Yes.
I believe it's credible based on the information available.
But there is also enough information to think that it might have been a launch of an object from the sky over Siberia to the outer space.
And that information is also presented in the book.
We also have information about a possibility that three ball lightnings got together.
Now, I don't believe in it, but I have to put it down.
And we try to use scientific explanations, meaning from scientists.
However, scientists are not all of the same mind.
We also like military reports, because military people were usually no-nonsense.
They wanted to find out if an object presented a threat to the security of their nation.
Right.
In America, we had so-called Project Blue Book, whose conclusion, by the way, was that whatever these things were, or are, they are not a threat to national security and to our nation.
And every time I hear that, I laugh.
I mean, how could something that flies at speeds we can't duplicate in our own skies not be a threat?
But then maybe we'll laugh, but maybe we don't know enough, you and I. Because I gotta tell you, Stalin basically wanted to know the same.
And he got one of the best Soviet scientists, like Sergei Korolev and Keldysh, to study materials Stalin's agents obtained from the United States.
About Roosevelt, about a few other incidents, we don't know what.
I wish I had glanced at that pile of documents that Korolev had at his disposal, And he had to give the answer to the dictator in a few days.
And he did.
Based on his knowledge and research, Sergei Korolyov, one of the fathers of the Soviet space science, came to a conclusion that, yes, UFOs exist.
Yes, they fly over us quite frequently.
No, they don't pose an immediate danger to the Soviet armed forces.
But this is only a tip of the iceberg.
Because I know Stalin, based on my research, that Stalin studied this situation quite... And you know he told Stalin this, how, since those files are sealed?
How he told Stalin?
I mean, how do you know he told Stalin this, if Stalin's files... One of my best sources is a Russian professor, mentioned throughout the book, very knowledgeable person, one of the top missile engineers, and he basically says that he was given this information He was told this information by people who work with Korolev, because this man was also with Professor Burdakov.
All right, hold it right there.
We're at the top of the hour.
We'll pick this up in so much more, like what Soviet cosmonauts have reported.
Our astronauts are pretty tight-lipped, but some of the cosmonauts have had quite a bit
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Well, perhaps man with a slow, four-fingered hand, huh?
Good morning, we're talking UFOs with Paul Stonehill.
Paul is from Ukraine.
And he's smuggled lots and lots of secrets out of what used to be the USSR.
and we're going to explore them this morning.
Hmm...
Hmm...
Astronauts.
I had the privilege, of course, of interviewing Ed Mitchell, who walked on the moon.
And interviewing a man who would walk on the moon would be, you would think, a very interesting prospect.
And it was, in the sense that I got down to asking him, well, you know, when you were walking on the moon, when you were actually on the moon, What were you thinking?
What were you seeing?
What were you absorbing?
And he gave the strangest answer.
I mean, surely you would think that what you had done, going to the moon, would be indelibly imprinted in your mind.
But it wasn't.
In a lot of ways, he said, I have a hard time remembering a lot of what happened.
I thought that's such a strange answer.
You would think every footstep, every grain of memory from an experience like that would be indelibly imprinted.
Many of our other astronauts act as though they're hiding something, in the sense that they've had very difficult lives.
Some with alcohol abuse, marriages that haven't worked out, a very difficult time with you as astronauts.
And I'm not saying that it is that they're hiding some gigantic secret, But that's one possibility.
And they make tantalizing remarks.
Well, anyway, let's find out.
If we look at the Russian side of things, and they've had as many people in space for longer periods of time than we have, and the cosmonauts report some kind of strange whispering or something, don't they?
Absolutely.
Besides UFOs, strange objects in space, some of them Come out with that.
They also talk about strange whispers.
And when you mentioned the astronaut you spoke to, it kind of gives you an idea that somebody is messing up with their mind.
And here is the story about whispers.
More than once Soviet cosmonauts talked about it.
Not all of them like to discuss it.
It's one of the most secret phenomena that affects them.
But basically, it's as if something according to a cosmonaut, if something was standing next to
them, let's say they are aboard an orbital space station, all of a sudden they feel
somebody is standing next to them.
There is a feeling that there was somebody invisible staring them in the back.
Ideas come to their heads.
Later when some of them were not afraid to talk to each other, they found out that things
were being whispered to them inside their consciences.
Something like, you arrived here too early, you did it in the wrong fashion, trust me,
I am your ancestor on your maternal side.
Really?
And they give information about the past.
Of course, you know, Soviet cosmonauts are, for the most part, used to be atheists and
very hard-nosed people, no-nonsense people, and then they want to find out what happened.
And they exchange information and basically they came to a conclusion that an alien intelligence
using some kind of hypnosis is the real thing.
That's quite an allegation.
However, you know, Paul, we went to the moon.
outer space and to convince the humankind that its sons and daughters in
our in the outer space are not experiencing hallucinations hard facts
about their past are presented facts that they pick up from probing human
brains memories and subconscious that's quite an allegation however you know
Paul we went to the moon we walked on the moon I maintain we did do it
There are some who say we didn't.
I'm not one of them.
I think we did.
But it's as though, after that, we, for some reason, decided, that's it.
You know, we'll put up communication satellites, we'll put up perhaps a space station orbiting our own planet, but that's it, baby.
We're not doing anything else.
And it's almost like something stopped us.
And you know Art, but we keep on coming to Mars.
And we have a chapter in the book of the Phobos missions.
Yes.
When they failed back in 89, at least one of them, after a huge object was photographed and a Soviet spacecraft was basically knocked out from the orbit.
I saw the photographs of that object, Paul.
There is no question.
Some gigantic object simply collided with this Russian spacecraft and Kaboom!
Destroyed it!
Isn't that right?
That's it, except the, you know, Russian object.
And we will talk about... It shouldn't be called Russian.
It's more American and Western than Russian, but we'll talk about this cooperation.
Anyway, the object came back about a week later.
It sent signals, and then it disappeared forever.
And the Moonlet Phobos, the one that it was... What do you mean it sent signals?
It actually sent signals back to the Earth Control, It came back alive, but nobody knows from where.
And it's gone.
After that, nobody heard about it at all.
I have the Soviet reports, newspaper reports, and others, and I gotta tell you, they were very confused, and ideas were flying around, and people, Soviet scientists, and top space people, talked about aliens.
Some, you know, in irony, some not.
Alright, Paul.
Because, They could not explain why such a well-prepared mission would disappear in a very strange place next to moonlit Phobos that some people believe is of artificial character.
You're telling me so much here, Paul.
I mean, first of all...
That this object transmitted after it was supposedly destroyed.
Now, is there hard evidence of that?
Do they have the records?
All the records that are available are listed in the book, but to tell you more than that, because we have to go detail by detail, I name, give names, dates, reports, and quotes, because it's a very interesting subject.
There is more to that.
The Phobos II carried a special laser aboard its, you know, among its equipment.
They wanted to test soil on Mars and Phobos.
And one of the top Russian scientists said, you know what, whoever, if there are beings, sentient beings who live on the planet, maybe they don't want us to test our laser weapons on them.
Maybe not.
Mars lander carried a more refined version of the laser weapon and it disappeared also.
And the laser was made by the same Russian institution.
I got to tell you there is a lot of cooperation between our space program and the Russian
space program.
And this convinced me when I studied this Phobos incident, JPL scientists based on the
Soviet reports were in touch moment by moment.
The spaceships themselves, the probes were made in Western Europe, some of it in the
Soviet Union, but it was a joint effort.
By no means just the Soviets.
And the more I study this phenomenon, the more I see cooperation.
Cooperation.
I have seen the photographs, and so I can understand why the Soviet technicians would be talking about alien intervention.
How could they not, based on photographs like that?
But there must be more to it.
In other words, you're saying There were transmissions afterward?
And was there some kind of contact made?
I think it was just registered.
The probe registered itself.
It came back to life and that's it.
Of course there might have been more.
We just don't know enough.
I go by available information.
I don't have any secret contacts in the Soviet government or Russian government.
I go by information that's available.
We just know how to collect such information.
All right.
Well, based on what information you do have, I really am very interested, and I bet the audience is too.
Yes, I've seen these photographs.
I saw the object.
And how much do you know about what kind of talk went on?
In the Soviet Union, about what had just happened to their probe.
They believed, absolutely, that it was some sort of alien intervention.
Certainly many people in this country... No, not absolutely, but enough people of importance believed that a count has to be found on what happened.
And even in the newspapers they would say, it looks like aliens did it.
Some were laughing, most people were not.
And such important authority as Professor Burdakov came out and said, He knew nothing what was happening in the West, but he was worried enough to say, we sent a mission to Mars and it was a mission to study and explore and take military tests.
Whoever lives on Mars would not like it.
And this guy is one of the smartest people there are.
He says, why did we do it in such a stupid fashion?
He questioned.
His reports were published.
His questions were published.
There were others.
There was so much confusion, and, as you can see, the Soviet Union fell apart in a year or two.
Nobody talks about it anymore, except for a few people like us.
Is there some reason for that disintegration that goes beyond what we've all been told?
I don't think so.
I think it's just politics and stupidity.
But because of that, a lot of materials got lost, a lot of files.
Some files came out, but also a lot of interesting That's an awfully good point.
be found out. Somewhere I have no doubt that some private interests in the West purchased
them. I have no doubt that some of the most important governments, be it in the Orient
or the West, got their hands on Soviet UFO files and paranormal files, and also...
That's an awfully good point. Believe me, I know some men who have unlimited amounts
of money, Paul, and I would not be surprised that some of these men might be willing to
spend their money on files like that. And you're saying there's no question for a period
of time they were for sale?
Bye.
I'm sure it is.
It's not something that you will find on the Internet, but things like that find buyers.
I know some of my contacts kept telling me that, you know, people come to Russia and offer money, not only from the West.
For example, of the Dalnegorsk incident of 1986, where there was some With some traces of an object that disintegrated.
We'll get into it.
They buy, you know, whatever was left behind.
French metallic bolts and other things.
There is a market for it.
It exists.
There are people who are interested.
I remember once, in 1994, I published an article about Soviet side weapon development.
And, you know, specialized weapons to control people's minds and so forth.
I had offers.
All of a sudden, people send me offers.
If you have this apparatus, we want to buy it.
I was laughing.
If I had it, I would destroy it.
I don't need this junk.
What do you know, factually, Paul, about what the Soviets did?
How far they got in mind control?
Quite a lot.
They did quite a lot.
I know they conducted experiments on Afghan soldiers from Afghanistan to change their minds about wanting to fight.
Really?
Yeah.
Faith Magazine has my article back in 1994.
Do you know the methods that were used?
Electromagnetic waves.
I listed quite... I did good translation work, believe me.
It caused me a lot of headaches, but they do use a lot of electromagnetic waves and some other technologies.
Crude.
You know, there was no accountability, but at the same time, they wanted to keep it secret.
My fear is that some of it got into private hands again as Russia fell out.
And there were reports later in Russia, post-communist Russia, that this politician or that politician was trying to use it.
I think our people were also interested in the United States government.
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure we were interested.
Anything that could control minds.
Do you have any idea how successful these efforts were?
I think there were to the point of a special institute studying it in Kiev, Moscow, and I think they had enough to create specialized devices, equipment, Again, nobody knows the extent of... But I'm asking how successful they were.
In other words, were they able to control the human mind?
Not to the extent to prevent the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
Otherwise, they would be able to.
That's a good point.
But, there were plans to put such equipment aboard Soviet orbital stations and to direct it at the populations below.
But because there was confusion in the 1980s and Gorbachev and Perestroika and everything, this has not worked out.
But the people who wanted to do it have not gone away.
Okay, so you're telling me now, let me get this one straight, that they had developed it to the point where they were ready or had plans to put it on Soviet spacecraft aimed at the world's population.
Yes?
Yes.
This was one of the plans.
Oh my God!
Yes.
Yes, this was the plan, and I believe I mentioned it later on in one of my articles in UFO Magazine.
And this was published in Russian media, and not tabloid media.
I mean, we're talking about names and dates, and there is quite a lot of interest in this so-called Tarsionic weapons and mind control weapons.
Again, nobody knows where things go, where files fly to, who buys what.
Do you have any idea, for example, if something like that had been put into orbit and the trigger had been pulled, Paul, what actually would have happened?
And in what way people would have been controlled?
Do you have any idea?
I guess whole populations would have a change of mind and would follow a special You know, you can instill anything into people's minds with the right propaganda, and here you would have weapon, directed weapon systems.
I think you could do anything you want with people.
Could it be really so specific that you could change people's political views, for example?
I think it's quite possible.
It's beyond my doubt.
Look at James Johnson, what he did in 1708.
And he had no weapons.
Well, that's frightening.
To just even contemplate something as massive as a space-based mind control weapon, that's incredible.
I haven't even ever considered it before.
And you're telling me, not only did they consider it, but they had plans to be doing it.
Yeah, and it's good that they were not able to.
In my heart, I believe they were not able to, only because of confusion and there wasn't There wasn't anybody like Stalin who would put his fist down and say, do it!
And they would do it.
And Gorbachev was no Stalin, of course, nothing.
You know, and people after him, Yeltsin was nothing.
He might have had the secrets, but he was drinking too hard to, you know... Yes, yes.
Russia's been certainly through a very strange time recently, huh?
It's political history.
Recent political history is very, very strange.
You know, and when I visited Russia, and I did, Paul, I found that many people there actually yearned for the way it used to be.
They yearned to have the Iron Fist once again.
They actually missed it.
It's not even so much the hard end.
You have to understand, in the last 20 years, almost 20 years, everything has changed in the lives of the Soviet Union.
I know.
And, of course, some think that an iron hand, that if Stalin could be cloned, he would bring everything to order.
But he would also bring concentration camps.
That's right.
And you can't escape it.
Now people know.
You could say, well, before we never knew.
Look at Russia.
Most people live in poverty.
They've lost the empire, like you say.
They didn't call it an empire, but it was.
It was an empire.
No, it was.
It was.
No, I'm not saying it wasn't.
That's not how the Soviet people viewed it.
They were told they live in the best place in the world.
Very few of them had a way to find out it's not so.
Day after day, they put ideas in our brains that we live in the best place in the world.
I was a kid in a Soviet school, and they say, eat bread.
I mean, eat your lunch, eat your bread, because people in America don't have enough to eat.
It's not... No, I know.
They told these stories, and of course, modern technology came along and slowly but surely made them liars, didn't it?
Absolutely.
People started finding out.
It's not so.
All right, hold it right there, Paul.
We're at a break point.
maybe we live in the worst place and they do not reflect north korea today
you know they believe the same thing well maybe the soviet union was not to go to that extent
but uh...
people believed a lot of the things and they could
he that life was getting better after world war two when the russian was basically destroyed
alright hold it right there paul we're at a break point fascinating stuff it
really is paul stonehill is my guest i i i
I wonder if any of those spacecraft, perhaps just one step from being activated, well, gee, they might well still be in orbit if they really got there, huh?
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Kind of close your eyes for a moment and picture in the cold.
Dead quiet of space, a Soviet-era spacecraft, still very much alive, still very much orbiting the globe, probably about every 90 minutes, with something on board that would create a magnetic pulse, if trained properly on the Earth's population, that would affect mind control of, well, perhaps an entire continent, or something like that.
And that switch, as yet, Hasn't been thrown.
or looking around these days perhaps it has i'm very very much down to this very day we
at all have a good understanding of the kinds of things That the Soviets might have had in orbit, and for that matter might still be in orbit.
For example, Paul, there was a very large, regular news story about Russia promising a Southeast Asian country, which at that time was undergoing terrible fires.
I mean, just thousands and thousands of miles of timber was burning.
And I believe it was Russia that offered to create a cyclone with one of their satellites.
They claimed they could create a cyclone and would do it free of charge the first time to put out the forest fires.
And that ran in the world's press.
Was that a true story?
I'll answer you this way.
The Soviets have conducted a lot of experiments in the sky to create weather.
Yes.
Some of them, because of our research, we have found out stories about so-called clouds.
The clouds have appeared throughout Soviet and Russian UFO history, and they're very interesting and sinister objects of different dimensions and formations.
Even Soviet secret research to study UFOs, the so-called Svetka research, They received reports about clouds, they couldn't do anything to understand what they are.
And I don't think that you had a clash of two bureaucratic systems.
You know, secret research there and here, just not knowing what happens.
To answer your question, they were doing experiments in the atmosphere.
And some of them were mistaken for UFOs and whatever consequences they caused were not good.
What kind of experiments do you know, Paul?
They were trying to seed clouds, so-called clouds, but as a subterfuge for that we knew that they were working on the so-called plasma weapons.
Something along the lines of our SDI research, but maybe more More profound, they wanted to make sure that they create a system that would interdict missile flights.
Yes.
You know, this is what they were doing.
Some of this could be mistaken for UFOs, not everything.
The Soviets themselves did not know, did not understand everything that happened in their atmosphere.
Do you have any idea how far the Soviets got with weather control?
I think quite a lot.
I think they've gotten quite a lot.
But again, if they had succeeded completely, they would have been able to change weather patterns in Siberia or Russia.
But you can see today that they have the same problems as anybody else does.
That's a good point.
So they would have really changed the weather, had they that power.
But they actually did claim they could create a cyclone, and they claimed they could do it by satellite.
Maybe, but until we see results, we don't know.
Also, please understand that so many findings of their experiments, I'm sure solid findings, were never implemented because there was not enough money or there wasn't anybody with a strong hand to say, with a strong fist to say, go ahead and do it.
That's the same problem.
They had brilliant scientists, but bureaucratic system.
Communism in itself cannot survive anywhere.
Because it's a contradictory system.
You have to give people initiative to be who they are.
You can't put limits on people's minds.
You can't tell people, whatever you see in the sky, you don't see it.
It's nothing.
Like they told Soviet soldiers, don't report UFOs.
1972 Arctic areas of the Soviet Union.
They say, whatever you see in the sky, it doesn't exist.
don't tell us so the soldiers would be laughing and say okay
doesn't exist don't tell us don't tell us and that's why they perish
uh... there was some story about an ugly child that actually fell from the sky
when some strange craft was reported hundreds of years ago This is one of the most interesting stories.
It was, I think, in the 14th century, not far away from Kiev, where I'm from, a strange object was reported.
It stayed for weeks in the sky.
It was a dark red sinister sphere that emitted rays.
And then one day, using the old language, let's say, they said that an ugly child fell down into the river.
And those who picked it up looked at it for many hours.
But it was so ugly, so strange, So revolting to them that they put it back into the river.
An ugly, then really, an ugly child.
Small, ugly being, you know, using the mind of somebody from that time.
And, you know, it could be an alien life form, humanoid life form, maybe something that was found in the Ural Mountains.
You understand?
How else people could relate to it?
People of, you know, Russia, 700 years ago.
But what's interesting is that reports like that came from different centuries of Russian history.
Reports of strange things in the sky.
Back in 1921, you know, A.D., an Arab traveler, I always mention it, this story, traveled
to Russia, to the Volga region.
There was a kingdom.
Yes.
And he saw, again, strange clouds.
He and his fellow travelers.
Strange clouds and scenes of battles in the sky.
And he was amazed.
And local people were laughing and saying, don't be afraid.
We see it all the time.
And then you go into, let's say, 18th century, and they report Of a spy, you know, a western spy who saw this over St.
Petersburg.
Also, something that looked, you know, a huge cloud that came over the area.
It was April 2, 1716.
Nine o'clock in the sky.
The sky was clear.
All of a sudden, a strange, dense, and dark cloud appears in the northeastern portion of the sky.
It's apex was sharp, very sharp-like.
Its base was wide.
It traversed the sky with great speed.
And at the same time, from the north, another cloud, similar to the first one, appeared.
It moved to the east, and it came to the first cloud, and they collided.
And there was some sort of bright pillar that appeared between them, and lasted for several minutes.
This was a good report.
Listen to this.
Then both clouds crashed into each other with terrible force, and appeared to have shattered Very good report.
Still kept in the Russian archives.
Those who want to find it will give the name.
reported rays of flame. Also, eyewitnesses described that there was a giant, shiny comet.
You know, so it's there because they couldn't describe it any other way.
It came, it was in the area, it appeared and rose to 12 degrees over the horizon.
Very good report. Still kept in the Russian archives.
Those who want to find it will give the name.
But something like that was observed in 1921 AD.
and then, you know, 800 years go by, again clouds.
And then we have reports of the clouds from all over the Soviet Union.
KGB could not understand what they were.
Soviet intelligence could not understand what they were.
Russian scientists, like Fox, whom I mentioned before, did not know what to do.
There was a cloud in 1974 over one of the most secret aircraft testing sites in Borisogliebsk area.
They could not.
They had all the tools to study it, and they could not.
Giant immobile cloud over the area for a long time.
They couldn't shoot it down.
They had incidents when they tried to shoot down UFOs.
That's all very weird.
This set of photographs that you've supplied for the website tonight, I'd like to know a little bit about them.
This first one is kind of grainy, and it's a little difficult to see, but it appears to be some sort of gigantic It's a movie prop.
But people tried to make money saying it was an object shot down in 1983.
And a lot of people believed it.
Marina Popovic gave me the photograph.
At the end we found out it was nothing but a hoax story.
But nothing is ever definite.
Because when it was hauled away under great secrecy to a special institute near Moscow that actually studied UFOs, it was hauled away.
Other things were reported in the Institute.
Information came out to one of the researchers, and we mentioned it, about a film that they also had in their hands that allegedly was produced by Hollywood, but they were not sure about an incident, a contact incident.
So nothing is definite.
But to give you the precise answer, this was a hoax.
I wanted it to be there so people could understand.
Things like that happen.
So it was a hoax, okay.
As we come down in the photographs, we see not very good pictures, but pictures of saucer-like craft, right?
By today's standards, of course, these are terrible photographs.
What do you think of their authenticity?
Probably not so authentic one of them, but the one from 1961, nobody could explain.
It appears over a secret, again, another secret area from nowhere, and it appears in parts, and then it disappears.
What was it, an American spy satellite?
I doubt it.
I don't know.
It looks like it's got a piece missing out of it, doesn't it?
And again, we only work with what we have.
We have a lot more photos in the book, but not all of them are of the best quality, but they cannot be explained away very simply.
And again, the first one, it's easy to explain.
Actually, the 1961 photograph, it's reminiscent Of a couple of photographs that were taken not long ago, one lady took a photograph of something like this, just like this, with a piece missing.
It's very interesting, actually.
I'm more interested in the year 1961, but we can talk about it later.
So many things happened in the Soviet Union, including Mr. Manzel's book, which was published and distributed all over the Soviet Union.
You don't know who I'm talking about?
No.
Donald Menzel, one of the biggest American debunkers.
Maybe Menzel.
I may not pronounce his name right.
But, you know, the Soviet Union was trying to hide UFOs so hard that they would go ahead and print a book like that without any questions, without any doubts.
I'm telling you, they had a lot of cooperation.
Well, that's where I was just about to go and ask you how much real cooperation between the U.S.
And the Soviet Union, at that time, on the subject of UFOs, there really was.
We all wonder about that, Paul.
I think from the tangible information available, quite a lot.
But I'm sure there is so much more we don't know.
Again, some points come clear, like the Phobos affair.
Yes.
We know about that.
Also, the Manzell book, a few other incidents.
I was also interested in the conflict situation, how much the CIA was interested in what was going on in the Soviet Union.
Quite a lot, at least cases.
Just those that have been declassified.
I can only imagine what the CIA is hiding.
I've got to tell you, we go case after case.
The CIA was quite interested in the research.
Back in the 1950s, American agents reported back to Langley or whoever, you know, wherever at the time about UFOs sighted in different parts of the Soviet Union.
And they were quite interested in the Iran-Soviet border and Chinese-Soviet border.
UFOs have been reported there for many years, even before, you know, the Soviet Union existed.
But especially in 1960s, 1970s, in the hot areas, so-called hot areas of the Well, the thing about this is, though, that if you imagine that these unidentified flying objects are man-made, as in Earth man-made, then that's exactly where they'd be flying.
Over potential areas of conflict, right?
Hot areas, as you put it.
Yeah.
But they've been flying there also for centuries before, when there were no conflicts.
I still don't understand what...
There may be different explanations, because those mountains contain quite a lot of natural resources that could be useful to other beings, too.
And that's what some scientists believe, and researchers.
I just can't understand why such reports come back centuries after centuries.
Paul, with all the years of study you've done on the Soviet, now Russian side, Ukraine, all the rest of it.
Are you now convinced that some of the objects that we're seeing, that we call UFOs, are in fact alien spacecraft?
Is there any doubt in your mind about that?
I have no doubt in my mind that another intelligence, not maybe ET, but an alien intelligence is here.
And is watching us, is watching what we're doing to the planet based, again, on the reports.
And sometimes it's trying to interfere.
And such, if we can name Chernobyl, I can name a small lake in Central Asia that can destroy whole countries below if it ever bursts out.
You know, UFOs... What would a... I'm not sure what you mean.
A lake?
A lake, sorry.
Millions of cubic feet of water.
It's being held in place by a dam.
If that dam breaks down, water comes down the mountain, and with it, a number of countries below disappear.
Because there's such a huge amount of water.
It's a very strange formation.
And Soviets, who had studied American STI tests in the atmosphere, they have a station.
They had a station, a watch station in the area, and a lot of the reports they had was gigantic disk-like objects who would enter the waters of the Lake Sarez, go in and out.
Why would they be interested in a lake on top of the Pamir Mountains?
There is nothing there.
Would it be that they want to prevent natural catastrophe from happening?
Maybe.
Why would they be interested in coming to Chernobyl?
During the incident and a little bit after, is it true that they tried actually to put down the fire in reactor number four?
We have reports of people who were on site who swear that there was an object, a gigantic object, over the reactor and it actually helped abate the consequences of the explosion.
Uh, I've heard none of this.
I've never heard any of this.
That a craft was over Chernobyl trying to mitigate in some way.
Art.
We give dates, we give names, sometimes street addresses.
UFOs came back to Chernobyl years after because it was a mess.
And they kept, you know, they were in the same, in that area.
But not only to Chernobyl.
Even the Voronezh case of 1989, strange aliens, Paul, I would like to ask you, because I honestly don't know the truth about Chernobyl, how much land is now, cannot be lived on by man?
will force-sighted over there too and at the same time we find out it's not of the safest
power stations.
Paul, I would like to ask you, because I honestly don't know the truth about Chernobyl, how
much land is now, cannot be lived on by man?
How much land around Chernobyl?
How much of an area did it ruin?
I think, I think, uh...
I think, in my heart, thousands upon thousands of kilometers.
Because it's one thing what they say officially, it's another thing what is not being said.
Sometimes not to scare people, but I do know that the whole areas of Belarus and areas in Ukraine, people cannot live there safely.
Kids die.
I mean, horrible news.
We heard just a few days ago, we were told about young women in the area who died when they reached pregnancy.
Fourth month of pregnancy.
As soon as they reached the fourth month of pregnancy, they died.
And not one, but a few.
And you know what, when I heard it... Alright, I have to tell you, Paul.
We're at the top of the hour, Paul.
Hold on.
Now, when we get back, we'll try and get some of you on the air with Paul Stonehill.
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six six five now well just a couple of other questions
uh... before we go to the phones uh... and one is in the soviet union here in the u s we have
people and uh... so forth who claim to have your full fragments pieces of
crashed ufo uh...
of craft uh... that are reportedly hidden uh... at certain air bases here
in the u s Physical evidence, that kind of thing.
What has happened to the equivalent of that in Russia, in the Soviet Union?
Well, based on the report of Plaksin, who is one of their top researchers in the secret program, SETKA program, they never had any fragments.
They wanted to, but they could not.
Based on some other information we have, there are people who have Artifacts from the sites of the alleged landings and maybe crashes.
Some scientists, some researchers.
I personally believe, and I put that information in my book, is that the Soviets had recovered something in their archaeological expeditions.
They found things they never knew they would find.
And they had studied them back in 1940s in at least two different places.
You mean things they dug up?
Things in the ice?
Things in the ground?
You got it.
In Ukraine, and also in Karelia, an area not far away from Finland, they found things that are of ancient origin.
Things that are ancient rocket ships, if we believe what is being reported.
And there is some confirmation on the objects they found.
For example, a microchip That was an object which could not be explained, presented to the Soviet academicians, top scientists in the 1950s.
They couldn't know what it is.
Today we know it's a microchip.
It might have come from the space rocket or whatever it was that was uncovered in Ukraine in 1948 and cut to several pieces and taken to a destination unknown.
1948, what an interesting year.
And you're claiming they found a spacecraft, cut it up, and transported it?
Yeah, I don't claim it.
I report what I know.
But believe me, it's quite interesting.
And again, it's interesting that there's ancient Indian books written in Sanskrit and designs and other things found aboard.
You know, it kind of leads you back to the Vimana aircraft and Mahabharata and a few other things.
It sure does.
And boreholes.
What are boreholes?
Things that are very hard to explain.
Boreholes that appear in the wilderness.
Out of nowhere.
But they are reported to be in such places after a UFO sighting or an alleged landing.
In the tundra, in the mountains, where there is no equipment to make such boreholes.
So you're telling me they have found very deep holes?
Where they think something has entered the earth?
Possibly to take soil samples.
That's what it is.
And we have a military specialist who has dedicated his life to such research.
And there's a small chapter about it, too.
Of all the things that you researched for your book, what was the most amazing?
The most amazing is the amount of information collected in the Soviet Union.
And maybe mishandled, maybe not, but there are many, many sightings, very interesting sightings.
And let's understand one thing.
The Soviet Union was a totalitarian state cut off from the rest of the world.
Russian people were innocent virgins when they came to UFO tabloids.
They didn't know what it was.
So when they reported something in the sky or over their nuclear silo, They would not say, oh, this is something that was reported in 1947 by the Americans.
No.
They didn't, but they knew it was something that could not be explained.
What is, in the research, what is so specific about Russian ufology that doesn't have anything anogalous?
Right.
No analogy here in the U.S.
In other words, it went in a completely different direction?
I would say the Predominance of gigantic forms, especially gigantic shapes of UFOs, such as cigar-shaped objects, and huge disks, two or three hundred meters in diameter, that appear over very interesting and very remote places.
And unlike the United States, Russia is a much larger country, and I've got to tell you, it has not been explored completely.
There are far away corners where nobody knows what's going on.
But the reports come from those areas of UFOs.
Alright, here we go.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Good morning.
My name is Jim.
Calling from KFY Phoenix, Arizona.
Yes, sir.
I was wondering if your guest may have ever heard of hypersonic pulse.
Supposedly when the Soviet Union Bowed down and backed out of the arms race.
Everybody was saying it was because they couldn't keep up with the United States due to the money factor and the FBI.
I come from a long line of military family and naturally when they all get together, the conversation always goes to the military.
I remember listening one time and this retired colonel, uncle of mine, was saying that he just brought up that he said sound waves are an unbelievably powerful weapon if it can be used right and it wouldn't elaborate a whole heck of a lot on it but he actually sent an article that was written back in 1978 or 79 I believe that the military had been testing this since the late 50s and early 60s and it said that the article said that the technology that they were using was actually
uh... brought up or discovered through extraterrestrial or something like that
all right well let's hold it at that sort of basic question that you began with rather than
having essentially gone broke was there some technology that
the soviets saw the united states begin to possess that scared them so badly or
affected them so much that they just threw up their arms and said we give up
i don't think so i think they were they were exhausted in the in the race
that's true but not because of the technology
Because the economy was not functioning.
Socialism doesn't work.
That's the bottom line.
As to answer your question directly, I have reports, not reports, books from 1930s where the Soviets were describing their wish to have supersonic weapons or ultrasound weapons, but a wish is not a result.
You know, nobody knows what secret experiments they have conducted and still do with this.
I'm sure the Russian Navy is very much interested in anything like that.
All right.
I honor your answer and agree with your answer all the way.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
You're still the master, Art.
And Paul, good morning.
My question to you is twofold.
Number one, I had read during the Soviet era, unofficially, that a fleet of Soviet bombers struck at a target in which
there was very heavy UFO activity.
And I wonder if over the years you have ever heard or read or unofficially caught any glimpse of that type of story.
And secondly, I saw a picture a number of years ago.
I don't know if it was fraudulent or not, but it was a picture of a disc-shaped line.
Number one, Soviet Air Force had a number of incidents where they encountered UFOs and were foolish enough to attack them.
The picture showed the Soviet symbol on the side of it.
I wonder if you had ever seen or heard of anything like that.
And I appreciate your answer.
Thank you.
Number one, Soviet Air Force had a number of incidents where they encountered UFOs
and were foolish enough to attack them.
After they've lost a few good aircraft, the command came down, do not fire on UFOs.
Never do that.
In Central Asia, along the Chinese border, we can go into dates, it's in the book, but if you want more I can tell you now.
As for the second part of your question, no, I've never heard about it.
But there is a history of the Soviets having shot at UFOs with apparently a poor result.
Poor result.
1953, 1963, Some cases are so mysterious that nothing has been reported.
We do know more about the case of, I believe it was 1980, during the Afghan... 1981, during the war of Saddam Hussein and the Persians fighting each other, and the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Somebody got nervous when he saw a huge disk over his military unit, which was doing a secret test.
So he said, you know, to hell with the instructions, I'm going to shoot at it.
You're right.
He did and, you know, he suffered.
In what way?
Well, they lost, I believe, at that time, they lost one or two aircraft and he was demoted.
I see.
But, you know, lives did get lost.
They came to a point that when the Soviet high command said, no more, no, no, we don't want to touch them.
And, you know, the Soviet top brass came out openly in 1990, you know, during the perestroika time.
They came out openly and said, yes, there are huge objects that fly over Moscow, 200 meters in diameter.
We send our aircraft after them, but we warn them, don't do anything.
I wonder, Paul, how they would delineate or decide between a UFO and an American spy mechanism of some sort.
I think they knew a lot about the Americans, and vice versa.
Let's not be naïve.
And not only Americans.
The Chinese, too.
The Chinese are very much interested in what's going on on the Soviet border next to them.
Especially when they see UFOs over their land and UFOs over Russia next door.
And Mongolia.
We have an excellent report.
1953.
That's an interesting year, by the way.
1951 or 1953.
I can't recall now.
It's in the book.
About a Soviet doctor who reported Seeing a UFO landing, a huge disk, and strange beings that came from it.
And the doctor was very scrupulous, you know, very diligent.
She wrote down what she saw.
I like reports like that.
I like reports like that myself.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello, Art.
Yes.
Hello, Art and Paul.
Yes, I'm calling from Delaware, Ohio.
Okay.
Speaking to you of a 610 WTVN in Columbus.
Yes, sir.
I was in the military, and of course I'm no longer in it now, but just before I was commissioned as a commissioned officer in the United States Army, we had our ROTC outing in West Virginia, and we looked up at the sky at about 2 a.m.
in the morning.
We saw an oval-shaped object glowing in the evening sky, and our ranking officer, Major, told us, do not say anything about it, which Gave us the thought that, well, there is a possibility of you opposed.
Second thing, in relation to that, there's an area between Plain City, Ohio and Delaware, and Dublin, Ohio, which in the summertime there are disks being flown up above.
You can tell by the lights they are disk-shaped, and with helicopters hovering in the immediate vicinity.
I was wondering if our government, and also The Russian government has some type of agreement with the occupants who were or used to occupy those crafts, training us how to use them.
I think that's a very good question.
We have our own reports in this country, indeed, Helicopters and the military being involved very quickly in sighting of craft and then even flying with them at times.
Paul?
Yes.
I believe so.
I don't know if there is an agreement.
I would be surprised if there wasn't some kind of a joint agreement on how to handle the UFOs.
But I gotta tell you that we will listen to our report.
Soviet attempts to actually communicate with some of the objects and the ways they did it And actually there was a response, a very interesting report.
Do you know, can you tell me about that response?
They would indicate, they didn't go into all the details, but they would try to signal to UFOs and the UFOs would contract and enlarge in response to that signal.
That's very interesting.
I wish I had more information.
I have maybe one or two paragraphs about it.
Please understand, a lot of this is so secret that It doesn't leak out.
But I think we have enough in the book about the military and the chapter about Soviet military and Soviet naval encounters to make people very much interested and to start thinking and to compare cases with other countries.
Well, that's important.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
Is this West of the Rockies?
It is.
Sorry, you had a beep right then.
This is Belinda, and I'm in Southern California.
Good morning, Art and Paul.
Good morning.
I just wanted to tell you a story.
I believe we've had the mind and training weapons for some time.
My mother, some years ago during the first Iraqi war, the Desert Storm, was incapacitated.
She couldn't walk well, and she spent 24-7 in front of the television set.
And CNN at that time was broadcasting that war live in real time.
That's right.
And she saw a group of jeeps, a rather small contingent of jeeps.
She estimated about a hundred people altogether, including the troops.
And they were out in the middle of the desert heading for some spot and apparently realized that dead ahead of them was a large army of enemy troops.
And they got on the radio and they radioed back to their base for help.
And just a few minutes later, these huge Huey-type helicopters flew right over.
I mean, they filmed it.
They flew right over, headed over the hills where these troops were waiting for them.
And within, she said it was about 10 to 15 minutes, all these troops came up over the hills with their arms raised in the air, and she said there were several thousand, and surrendered to about a hundred people.
Yeah, I'm with you.
There were some things like that that occurred during Desert Storm that were almost Just too much to believe about some of the surrenders.
You know, you're just so right about that, ma'am.
Paul?
I don't know if I can help much in this situation.
Like I said, experiments were done, soldiers died as a result, but at the same time, they were able to change minds of soldiers who went back, cheerfully, to the fields of Afghanistan.
May I ask just a question, a quick one?
I'm just really interested, since Russia has done the experimenting with the weather, if you or other Russian people that you know of have been experiencing what we are experiencing here and in Brazil and in Mexico and countries that I've been in, Canada as well, with all the lines in the sky and all of that, when they were doing their experiments, did they have that in their sky like we're having in ours?
Chemtrails and stuff?
Yes.
I think so.
I believe so.
There is not enough information to make a precise conclusion because those are one of the most secret experiments.
Sometimes they affected areas around and coincided with UFO reports.
So what kind of things?
We think that UFOs came to the area of the testing to study what's going on.
It's very dangerous.
We're messing with the atmosphere.
One wrong step and that's it.
Yes, very dangerous indeed.
Hold it right there, Paul.
We'll be right back.
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Once again, here's Paul Stonehill, and Paul, I have a question for you.
We had our program to put men on the moon.
The Russians had a program to put men on the moon.
What happened to the Russian program, to the Soviet program, to put men on the moon?
A little mystery there.
Well, I know that they had developed the rockets to do it, And quite a lot of good equipment to do it.
But apparently Brezhnev was against it at the end.
Officially.
The money was not in it.
A number of Soviet space engineers were quite upset and people in the space race.
But that's the latest program.
Apparently Stalin was very much interested in sending Russians to the moon.
You know, from different reports, from different quiet information sources, you can find out that something was going on, that Stalin had a special program, and the site of that program was actually where today's Chernobyl is.
It was called Kiev 17.
Really?
Yes.
And just before the German Nazis entered into the area in 1941, it was taken away in pieces.
uh... loaded on means and taken i think that the euro markets was for sure
the room but darlingwood very much interested
in this and he had his own uh... ministry of uh...
aviation research under his control uh... contrary to the other one that existed to work with
leaders and to to the cool like
why are still in this papers
so secret still uh... because they contained quote according to the soviet
state secret i i can only surmise that they have uh...
reports of uh...
programs that we can't even imagine or results from such programs
Plus, you have the legacy, you know, history is very much important in Russia, like everywhere else, but maybe especially so in Russia, and Stalin is a very delicate personality to deal with.
Half of the country wants him back.
Maybe a third of the country hates him, and another third doesn't care.
Well, I would like to believe that you're now in a country where that kind of thing doesn't occur.
But for 50 years after the assassination of President Kennedy, nobody sees any of that stuff.
50 years.
At least they put a number on it.
We don't know when we'll ever get to see Stalin stuff.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes.
Yes.
I have a very serious question for Paul about the mine war, a different aspect.
About, I'm sorry, are you on some kind of talking, what kind of phone are you on?
I'm on a cell phone.
A cell phone, okay.
Well, get good and close to it and ask your question.
Okay, I just wanted to make comment first, and if you want to know where it disappeared, maybe we should look at the Clinton Library in Arkansas.
You know, I mean, because His Russian Connections, and considering that China walked away with so many of our secrets and everybody was busy with Lewinsky, but with The Mind Wars, Paul, I read a book over 20 years ago, and it was titled Mind War, and it talked about psychic experience and how children were taught from kindergarten on in Russia how to develop their psychic ability to the point of using that
Well, that is true.
We didn't even talk about it, although we did have our own secret programs.
Paul, is that true to that degree?
No, they wouldn't use the children, but they had quite a lot of their own military researchers that they could use, and did, to an extent.
The 1959 Nautilus story, some people believe this was an invention of the Soviet intelligence to fool Khrushchev into letting them expand their own programs.
In this country, Paul, we were treated just a very few years ago to an admission by the CIA that they had sponsored, you know, an entire unit for 20 years You know, people able to look for objects and things at great distances and describe them.
Was there a similar program in the Soviet Union?
No doubt there would be.
No doubt.
But let's understand one thing.
Because of this stupidity of communism, they were afraid to admit paranormal phenomena, for the most part.
And people, those who had talents, kept them to themselves.
At the same time, they had brilliant military commanders, like everywhere else, who wanted to use any weapons available at their disposal against the enemy.
And they were doing their best to sponsor such programs, but time after time, Soviet institutions were disseminated, basically destroyed.
In a literal form, those who wanted to study telepathy and hypnotic Okay.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Two great shows this weekend, thank you.
Thank you.
Ms.
people who were afraid to even wonder into the direction of the paranormal
because of communist ideology.
Okay. Wildcard line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Two great shows this weekend, thank you.
Thank you.
Miss Paul, thank you for sharing your information.
And to get back to the space race and...
uh...
the moon did any of the saw information that you ran across have any
connections with the assassination with president all all alright
why not did you run across anything that uh...
that came on to that subject the assassination of president kennedy
actually no actually uh...
not that it was a people people sympathize with him and people read up as much as
possible but nothing secret
was published in the soviet union as far as i remember Okay.
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East of the Rockies?
Yep.
Oh, this is George.
Yes, George.
Roar, Indiana.
I am very honored to be on, talking to you and Mr. Stonehill.
Thank you.
Well, Mr. Stonehill, Nikola Tesla was doing some experiments, I think around that time, and I'm wondering if that, now also, I think possibly a small antimatter meteor could have come down there.
What are your views on that?
My view is that I list his research in the Tunguska chapter, and what he was doing.
So I'm not against it, but I want people to make Caller, I think you and I may have read the same book.
There are those who speculate that it could have been a small bit of antimatter.
Just because of the nature of the explosion, the radiation observed, the defects in biological entities observed, the magnetic anomalies, it just doesn't add up to be what they originally said it was.
You agree with that, Paul?
Absolutely.
Certainly.
I don't know for sure what it was, but it was no comet.
Nothing like that.
It could have been Tesla's experiment.
Nobody says no.
He was doing it in 1908, and there are reports that he wanted to show his abilities, but he wanted to do it over a remote area, as Siberia was.
Well, he picked one, if that was it, and it was very impressive, though he did not claim it, did he?
Not as far as I know.
There were some hints.
But I don't think he outright claimed it.
People would do it in his name.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Good morning.
Hi.
Hi.
I'm calling from Richard T. Holguin's country, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Welcome.
Hi.
Paul Stonehill, it's a pleasure to speak with you.
I'm so happy you're back on the air.
Thank you.
I really am.
Mr. Stonehill, it sounds like you've done a tremendous amount of work, like a lifetime of work on this, on the UFOs, and you were talking a little bit about mind control, and that was the area that I wanted to ask a question about, and somebody else sort of asked the question, but because a friend of mine who had a lot of equipment, he was a biologist and a psychologist, and he He did 10% of his work in pain control.
He had, like in the early 90s, alpha wave chambers, all kinds of much more sophisticated equipment than most people.
Okay, and your question for Paul is?
He went to Russia.
He was writing a book.
He was collaborating with a Russian scientist, and it had to do with mind control over pain.
He was very happy, and within one month of coming home, he went in the woods and shot And it's sort of, I was wondering, could it be because the attitude in Russia was against this work?
Well, first of all, it's very difficult to comment on any single given case and outcome like that particularly.
However, I can understand that somebody involved in the control of the mind for pain might
run into or be interested in the experiments of others who have done various forms of mind
control as a natural course of their own investigation, right Paul?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
They have used, I mean the Soviets had used medical institutes to run the secret side
of the mind control program.
Perhaps you could get Faith magazine to allow you to put my 1994 article on your site.
I know that it was being used by a US newspaper.
military college, naval college, as a reference material.
I'm very proud.
It's not the best, you know, it's a good research work and now I would have read it much more.
But I think even what you will see there will be enough to fascinate a lot of people and maybe answer some questions.
Perhaps so.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello?
Hi, this is, uh, I mean, it's Brett.
I'm from Kennewick, Washington.
Okay.
This question's for both of you.
I was wondering, uh, with the retrieval of UFOs and everything, do you think that there was an influence on our technology?
Because it sure did seem to explode after the 50s.
Um, an absolutely fair question.
In other words, uh, has alien technology, uh, been injected into our society in view of the way it's gone since about 1950, as he points out, or even earlier?
It's been an explosion of knowledge.
Maybe it's all our own, or is there an influence from elsewhere, Paul?
I believe on the information presented in the book that you could draw that conclusion, and some do.
There is a military engineer, a specialist by the name of Smirnov, who actually mentions Soviets using such technology for the enhancement of their rockets and engines.
How to, I don't know, but he goes into great detail.
Generally, I think it's quite possible.
I don't think we know what transistors are even today.
And a few other scientific innovations.
Well, here we had a man named Colonel Corso.
I'm sure you're familiar with that name.
Yes.
And he came on my program in a series of programs, Paul, and told me a very convincing story.
About how he was given access to extraterrestrial items that were then back engineers as much as possible.
And when a use was seen in private industry for them, that knowledge was passed from Colonel Corso to an individual in private industry.
Things that resulted in many of the modern, amazing things that we have now.
I don't know if that's true, but he told a very, very convincing story.
And I told you today about a microchip that the Soviet scientists had looked at in the 1950s.
Yes.
Yes, so it may have gone on all over the world for all we know.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Yes, I would like to, this is Dave, Hippy Dave over in Maduro, California, and I'd like to ask the guest if he's ever heard of the Silva Mind Control?
Silva Mind Control.
I have a question for Art.
When did you move from Las Vegas into your new studio?
Oh, over a decade ago, sir.
That's when I started listening to you.
Gee, I'll go up and down that hill.
Uh-huh.
All right.
Paul?
No.
No, he's never... Okay, that's the answer.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hi.
Listen, my name is Rocky.
I'm a little afraid to...
to talk to you.
I'm worried I may be put in jail or an asylum or something, but I'm going to talk to you anyway.
I know how they manipulate the weather and cause it to rain.
Who's they?
Well, people that put satellites up in the sky, whoever they are.
The government or NASA, whoever they are.
Basically, I thought of it at the time as a satellite that rotates I was watching the news and they said they had upper turbulence and that was causing rain.
So, to be perfectly honest with you, I have an implant in me and I'm a little worried about talking about all this, but it caused a hurricane because it was like a whip.
The satellite rotated and caused turbulence in the upper atmosphere.
And it caused a hurricane at the time.
Remember Hurricane Injury?
Mm-hmm.
It was just before then when it happened.
And so you think they're probably going to hear you talking to me about all this on the air and burst your implant?
No.
Actually, those things could torture you via satellite because you're located with them wherever you are.
And I got it put in the VA.
I heard them saying they would put it in.
Basically, they were taking off a mold at the time.
You think our own government, our VA, did this to you?
Oh, I know they did.
Alright.
Well, I appreciate the call, sir.
I'm willing to entertain the possibility of weather control or even, to some degree, mind control, but I don't know about mixing them and our own VA doing it.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Paul Stonehill.
Hello.
Yes, yes.
I have a question.
Does he see a relationship between demonology and ufology?
That's a good question.
And also, if you could play the Siberian Hole with the sounds of tortured souls?
Not at this moment, sir, but I will ask your first question.
What do you think, Paul?
I mean, all across America, in the kind of fields that we're talking about this morning, the subjects we're talking about this morning, there are many who believe that these things that we see in our skies, these things that we find completely inexplicable, are not the work of man at all, or extraterrestrials, but rather demons.
Well, they're free to believe whatever they want.
My research was mainly I understand.
what the Soviet scientists and military specialists thought about it.
I understand.
So I don't want to even get into it.
You know, you may want to get into Third Reich and their research.
I think they had a lot of demonology involved, but also very interesting results.
Yes, but certainly that's one of the possible answers to some of the apparitions, some of
the things that are seen.
It's got to be considered one of the possibilities, unless we actually have a little green guy that we can interview to know there's an alien life form here.
Short of that, that's got to be one of the possibilities.
Art, an alien life form could also exist at the bottom of the ocean.
As Mariana Trench, Mariana Trench and a few other places, and I've written about it.
Again, based on Soviet reports, and maybe we can talk about it some other time, but believe me, there is more than an ET explanation for an alien life form.
Alright my friend, that's a place to end.
You've been an excellent guest, Paul.
Thank you so very much.
Thank you, and feel free to call me anytime.
You bet.
Good luck with your book.
Paul Stonehill.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm afraid that's it for this weekend.
It's been a real winner.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
We'll be here, of course, next weekend.
Until then, goodnight all.
Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
This magical journey will take us on a ride Filled with the longing, searching for the truth Will we make it to tomorrow?
Will the sun shine on you?
Midnight in the desert, am I listening?
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