Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society (GIS) present chilling EVPs—voices like a drowning child ("He cut") in a dry mental hospital basement, a woman’s cryptic "He’s been cut open" in a former bank, and children pleading "I’m hungry" or "Be careful"—suggesting spirits linger via emotional energy or unexplained phenomena. Skeptics question residual imprints vs. real-time communication, but GIS insists 5-10% of recordings feature direct, location-specific messages, even in renovations where no water exists. Callers share personal encounters, from mirrors reflecting the dead to crime scenes holding voices, while Art Bell bridges theories—electromagnetic fields, sound memories in materials—to propose EVPs may reveal truths beyond conventional science or religion. [Automatically generated summary]
Why don't you deep-thinking legislative geniuses draft up something to stop this insanity?
How's that?
That's better.
All right.
Coming up in the next hour, EVP.
And there are people who complain about EVP, not me.
I think EVP is the real McCoy, and I'll go into great detail about why I believe that and what you're really hearing is indeed the voice of the dead.
It really is.
It's the only answer.
And if you dare to listen, I think you'll come to the same conclusion.
There are a couple of particularly disturbing EVPs that you're going to be hearing tonight.
So I'll give you sort of a pre-warning about that.
I have received a large number of emails with regard to a prediction apparently made by Father Wingate about the Pope.
Sadly, they did not come true.
Pope John Paul II, who helped topple communism in Europe, and he did, and left a deep conservative stamp on the church that he led for 26 years, died Saturday night in his Vatican apartment, ending a long public struggle against debilitating illness.
He was 84.
The Undersecretary of State, Archbishop Leonardo Sandre told Ozedko, quote: We all feel like orphans this evening.
The crowd was about 70,000 at St. Peter's Square.
Quietly at home, or with heads bowed in church, Americans marked the death Saturday of Pope John Paul II, recalling him as a great leader who combined warmth with moral power, a call to care for the poor with an emphasis on liberty, bells tolled at Roman Catholic churches across America, as in fact they did at the Vatican and around the world.
Religious leaders of all faiths spoke out to honor the Pope, as did all of our political leaders.
Flags lowered to half-staff, black bows replacing Easter wreaths at a Wisconsin Cathedral.
Now there is going to be a process that you all are, many of you who are not old enough and have never gone through this are going to be amazed at.
The process to pick a new Pope is an amazing process.
The intense guessing game over who will be the next Pope only has one certainty.
The cardinals must decide whether to follow John Paul II with another non-Italian or hand the papacy back to its traditional caretakers.
The Polish-born John Paul was the first non-Italian pope in 455 years.
And he brought indeed a new vitality to the Vatican, challenging parochial attitudes throughout the church.
One view holds that the papal electors will want to maintain the spirit by recognizing the Roman Catholic centers of gravity outside Europe and in Latin America and Africa.
Now, it really is something to see.
So, those of you who don't remember the way it works, there will be intense deliberations and prayer and voting, and nobody, I guess, really knows exactly what goes on.
But at the end of the process, a white smoke will emanate from the Vatican, indicating they have chosen a new Pope.
And I do recall one time when it took a very, very long time to choose a new Pope.
What I would say of this Pope is, we have lost a great man.
I'm not a Catholic, and so I don't know if I'm qualified.
Well, yes, I am.
I'm qualified to comment on the kind of man that he seemed to be.
He seemed to be the real McCoy.
He didn't go for anything at the end other than suffering to his last breath.
I didn't want to be taken back to the hospital to die.
I think he knew very well he was dying and chose to die in the Vatican.
Now, again, it'll be an educational process for those of you who have never seen it occur.
It's wild when they pick a new Pope.
There's a whole lot of tradition, very steeped in tradition and ritual.
The Catholic Church is very interesting.
Just five months after the presidential election, Democratic lawmakers are traveling throughout the country to campaign anew against President Bush and his agenda.
This time, though, the stakes are the future of social security rather than control of the White House.
And that's kind of the world news with the Pope passing, the Pope's passing, of course, dominating everything, and it will continue to do so in most of the media around the world.
in a moment i've got to a couple of other little items that would fall outside the normal world news you're all This next item of intense interest to me should be to all of you, really.
The headline is, of course, Yucca Probe focuses on possibly faked data.
Emails by several government scientists on the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Zone Project suggest workers were planning to fabricate records and manipulate results to ensure outcomes that would help the project move forward.
Are they out of their minds?
God almighty.
Some of these emails, I know the evening news has been quoting some of these allegedly faked emails.
My God, people, we're talking about a deadly substance that has got to be kept and managed by mankind for 10,000 years at minimum, probably longer.
We haven't done anything in our puny little time on the planet for 10,000 years, and they're going to fake stuff about it.
This could be, according to some lawmakers, particularly here in Nevada, the death knell for the Yucca project, the whole project.
The high-level waste was due to be put in a place called Yucca Mountain, and it would be some years yet before they would do it, if at all, but it would have to be good for 10,000 years.
So this could well be, and perhaps deservedly so, the death knell for this project.
It all involves whether or not radiation would leak Into the groundwater.
Now, I think you can all imagine the consequences of high-level nuclear waste leaking into the groundwater.
It might get, who knows, all the way down to Southern California, it might pollute the groundwater for the western third of the U.S., God knows what it might do.
But faking the results, good Lord.
So I wouldn't even bother to read any of the emails to you.
They generally involve, well, faking the results so the project could go through.
It's hard for me to imagine that a scientist would, any scientist, much less perhaps many, would do this.
Can you?
If you were a scientist and you were gathering the information to either prove that this was going to be safe for mankind or that there was a possibility of mankind dying off en masse because of some error you made, would you fake it?
My God.
So if it's the death knell of this project, then so be it.
After a few close calls, astronomers have finally obtained the first photograph of a planet beyond our own solar system.
As you can imagine, it's a big one.
It would have to be.
At this time, they say they're sure, although some doubt lingers about the exact mass of the object.
The planet is thought to be one or two times as massive as our Jupiter.
It orbits a star very similar to a very young version of our own sun.
The star, called GQ Lupi, has been observed by a team of European astronomers since 1999.
They have made three images now using the very large telescope of the European Southern Observatory in Chile, the Hubble Space Telescope, and the Japanese Subaru Telescope.
Each contributed an image, and so there you have it.
For the first time in all of mankind's knowing, something, a planet, an actual planet outside our own system has been photographed and confirmed as being there.
Now listen, we're about to go into open lines for the balance of this hour.
So if you want to get through, I suppose beginning to dial now would be appropriate.
The following is from Yahoo News.
The headline would be, World oil prices surge after study tips $100 a barrel.
This will go back to last week's program and buttress a lot of what I was saying, I think, last week.
World oil prices surged on a wave of speculative buying sparked in part by a Goldman and Sachs study that predicted levels of more than $100 a barrel.
New York's main contract, Light Sweet Crude for Delivery in May, soared $1.41 to $55.40 per barrel in early deals off a peak of $56.1.
In London, the price of Brent North Sea crude for delivery in May rocketed $2.20 to $54.29.
Goldman Sachs Research brought up concerns about crude oil, saying that the market is headed for an abrupt upward trend because of the tightness of supply and demand.
The investment bank warned of a possible super spike.
That's what they're calling it.
A super spike in oil prices above $100 per barrel.
Quote, we believe that oil prices have entered the early stages of a super spike period, said analyst Arjun Murti, who raised his price range of $50 to $105 a barrel from $50 to $80.
The higher price range was foreseen to last several years because of strength in oil demand and economic growth, especially in the U.S. and, of course, China.
And there's one more item here.
Dr. Don Rose, the legendary morning disc jockey who entertained Northern California audiences for nearly two decades, passed away Tuesday night in his sleep.
And I wanted to note that Rose was, of course, a household name in the Bay Area and the Central Valley as a morning radio host on KFRC, KKIS, KIOI from 73 to 89.
His shows were famous for his one-liners, goofy gag, zany sound effects.
Many people from Sacramento remember him as a man who coined the term Sacratometo.
Over his 13-year career, Rose hosted close to Get This 3,000 shows.
In 1985, after a near-life-threatening injury, Rose even asked to have his studio equipment brought into his hospital room where he continued to do his morning show.
That is dedication.
During his reign as the number one host in the Bay Area radio, Billboard magazine repeatedly honored him as disc jockey of the year.
Rose retired from local radio in 1989.
In recent years, he's lived in his Concord home with family.
He suffered a variety of health problems in recent years.
Now, I want to prepare you a little for tonight and what we're going to be doing for the three hours following the top of this hour.
EVP.
Electronic voice phenomena.
Try as I might, and I'm somewhat technically competent.
Honestly, folks, I cannot find any hole, anything that the two people you're going to hear tonight might be doing wrong, intentionally or unintentionally, that might be an answer for what you're about to hear tonight.
You're going to hear the voice of people who have passed to the other side.
And I've got to add, it's particularly tonight.
There are a couple in there that I'm told, and I haven't listened to them.
The reason I don't listen ahead of time, and I could, I've got the CDs that have been sent right here, so I could listen ahead of time, but I don't do that because I want to react exactly spontaneously.
And so I don't do that.
And I'll hear them as you hear them.
But I really must tell you, with what I do know, and I'm not a genius, but I have a fair technical grasp of things, this is real.
There are not easy answers.
In fact, there are no logical answers for what you're going to hear tonight, except that you are hearing the voices from the other side.
The only other possibility is, in my opinion, that you might be hearing the voices of the now living.
But I think that a lot of what you're going to hear tonight is going to dispel that possibility, leaving just about the only one as the voice of the dead.
And I think that all of us, particularly with the passing of so many well-known names, feeling our own mortality, wants to believe that there is indeed something waiting for us on the other side, not just the end of everything.
The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, you know that scenario.
I don't buy that.
I have a kind of a definite feeling that there's a reason for all of this and for life that goes beyond the years that we spend upon this planet, however many or few they may be.
No, I think there's something out there.
I think there's something else coming.
And tonight, you'll hear some slightly worrisome proof that that may be exactly so.
If you could ask the guests coming up, did they plan on going to any historical places, such as maybe Ford's Theater or maybe Monticello or places where former presidents had been or maybe have been?
I know they can't travel too much, so they tend to do it in the regional area where they live.
unidentified
Well, that sounds interesting to me.
I'm still going to listen to them nonetheless.
And thank you very much for making me more aware of so many topics.
Quite frankly, it amazes some of my friends because I talk about something that I've heard on the show, and then a couple of months go by and they say, hey, you weren't kidding.
I mean, you'll hear on this program or you'll hear someplace about Art and Ramona's pizza punch with a picture of Art and Ramona on the front, like Paul Newman and his stuff, or something like that.
Who knows?
You know, maybe it'll happen.
Maybe it won't.
It's going to have, they're going to have this big commercial taste test.
This stuff is wonderful.
It's incredible.
And so I think it's going to do well.
We'll see.
unidentified
Wonderful.
Okay, two things about sleep.
What was that little technique that you talked about when you have trouble going to sleep and it helps to get you to fall asleep?
You lie in bed, you take two gigantically deep breaths.
Then you close your eyes and one thing at a time, you consciously work on this in your mind.
You relax your hand, you relax your arm, you relax your upper body, you relax your feet, your legs, one at a time.
You go through it mentally.
It's like counting sheep, except you're not.
You're consciously relaxing each part of your body.
And if you're not asleep by then, which you probably will be before you finish off all the body parts, you take a couple of more big, deep breaths of oxygen, and baby, you're gone.
You're asleep.
unidentified
Okay, well, I won't do it until post is over.
And here is the other thing that I have been wanting to ask you for a long time.
A few years ago, you were telling us about these dreams that you were having where you actually felt like it was a second existence, something about being a person in Mississippi.
And I was just kind of wondering if that had continued, or if you'd ever done any research on the place or whatever to try to figure out why you were having that kind of dream.
Lately, I've been sleeping exceptionally well, which probably indicates that I have a fairly, you know, that life is pretty good right now.
And I've been getting a lot of sleep, which I think also is good.
I think the body, you know, does a lot of healing, its best healing work when it's getting deep sleep.
But what do I know?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Ari.
Hello.
Yesterday, Fox News, Reuters News, the Italian News Service, and then an Italian cardinal got on the air and said that the Pope had died and gone home to Jesus.
And then that story was later recanted.
Do you think it's possible that Pope John Paul II was physically unable to perform his duties as Pope and that the Vatican wanted to move into a new direction and that he agreed to step down and then picked April Fool's Day as his departure date?
And once they discovered that that was a signal date, being April Fool's, they changed it to April II today.
Because George Norway believes that Father Wingate is a Catholic priest and that he met with Pope John Paul II.
And all of his predictions have come true, and George says he will continue to have him on as a guest, regardless if there's some flaws in his prediction.
But I believe that the Pope is still alive and in exile.
From a technical point of view, I've looked at this as hard as a person can look at it.
And I've looked at the people involved.
I don't see any holes in this.
And then, of course, there was, if you're a long-time listener, you know that there were other people doing this work virtually since the invention of the telephone, as a matter of fact.
And so many people greater than the two of us combined believed it was true.
And I've looked so hard at it because I want to know as much as anybody else out there, approaching my 60th birthday, I might add, whether there's a life following this one.
And this is one of those things that leads us in that direction.
Technically, I see no holes in what they're doing, sir.
None.
unidentified
Okay, when you say there's no holes, though, during the discussion that you have, can you explain how you looked at it?
Because to me, it just seems like something that would be real easy to fake.
Something that's on a recorded technological program.
Well, toward that end, we live in a unique day and age, as you know, with every kind of audio and video program to morph anything into anything that you want.
But we were doing this program with these people back in the days when it was tape only.
Very noisy compared to what they have now.
And I guess I look, regarding whether it could be a fake, I look to the people themselves more than anything else.
And these people aren't trying to make any profit from what they're doing.
if they were hoaxing this, and let's say they were fundamentalist religious people trying to lead the world into believing that there's a life after this one, you know, believe me, they wouldn't hoax some of the disturbing things that are said during these EVPs.
They would very much slant it toward, you know, I'm in heaven, it's wonderful, God and Jesus are here with me as well as my relatives.
That's not what we're getting.
unidentified
So I'm- I like the stuff, you know, the scary stuff.
Their results certainly are a little disturbing at times.
And you're not exactly sure what the meaning is of some of what you get, but the process itself and the technical aspects of it seem so cleanly straightforward to me.
And it's not just these folks.
You can go back through some of the experiments that I played for you on Halloween, for example, and all the way back to Alexander Graham.
And they all thought that voices from the other side could indeed be captured electronically, and there's reason to believe it may be so.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello, Art.
How are you?
It's Joe from WRKO Radio in the rainy city of Boston.
Don Rose, who did a show, a number one show in the Bay Area, passed away.
unidentified
Okay.
My other question is, when are you going to do more programs on Area 51 and get more stuff like this out?
I really am interested in that because I'm interested in Bob Lazar's idea with hydrogen, but no one seems to be able to get in touch with his company because people would like to, I'm sure, maybe get more.
Would I like to have a news source, somebody who's been inside Area 51?
You bet I would.
So if there's anybody else out there who would like to spill their guts, who has been in Area 51, worked in Area 51, has knowledge of Area 51, the mysterious Area 51, very close by.
In fact, you know, I'm within scanner range of Area 51, meaning I can hear a lot of the security radios and some of the stuff that's unencrypted that goes on at Area 51.
But yes, I would love to have some new inside info.
So if you have worked in Area 51 or have information that I would like with regard to Area 51, please send me an email.
You can find me.
I'm artbell at AOL.com or artbell at mindspring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
All in lowercase, of course, at AOL.com or Artbell at mindspring.com.
All right, coming up in just a moment, the GIS and, if you wish to believe it, voices from the other side.
I think that's what they are.
And we'll discuss what alternative explanations there could be for what you're about to hear.
I'm warning you ahead of time, some of what you're about to hear is going to be very disturbing indeed.
But it's a fascinating adventure we're about to have.
So, I don't know.
Turn up, if you've got the nerve, turn up the volume on the radio and with the rest of us, prepare to be a little chilled as we move to the other side from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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Don't you need her barely?
Don't you love her, waiting what you say?
Don't you love her, baby?
Don't you love her, wait?
Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
Like she did one thousand times before Don't you love her ways?
Tell me what you say Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
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Coming up in a moment, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
They're both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, otherwise known as the GIS.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigation, but they also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
And I will add a little warning here that without question, some of the material that you're about to hear is disturbing.
If you are easily disturbed by this sort of thing, then you might want to tune out right now.
I think we're one of the only programs that on a semi-regular basis invites people to do that.
I don't want you to be unnecessarily disturbed.
However, for many of us, I include myself here, a search for what is going to come of us is an ongoing mission of life.
Perhaps a question never to be answered until the moment that we leave it.
I don't know.
But what you're going to hear tonight is going to make you question, or should make you question, about, you know, what comes next and whether there is something next or whether it's just all over.
Well, we've all had an interest in ghosts, and we happened to meet at a Brendan and Jenny, and Roger and I had attended a meeting where we met, and on a presentation that we were doing, Barry came, and we met Barry there for the first time, and we just kind of clicked and formed a group.
okay but this is not the subject that would come up in you know some little casual conversation and i think that they have to be something that would start this out It's something I think every member of this group has always had an interest in ghosts.
Those who doubt, those who are skeptical, we more than invite you, and I'm sure these two would agree with me, to get some of the equipment that you're going to hear tonight and go try it yourself.
I've had so many emails from people who said, What a bunch of trash, but I thought, you know, I'll go out and I'll give it a try, and they came back different people, just absolutely amazed.
Not everybody gets, it's like fishing, right?
You don't always land one when you cast for a while, but eventually, being patient, you're going to get one.
We don't post anywhere on our website that we would like donations.
I mean, we've had people go so far as to try and prove that we're making money saying that we have some kind of companionship with recording companies like tape recorders.
You know, I really think it is somehow it's a sound in the atmosphere.
And I almost wonder if, and this goes back to one of our earliest theories on EVP, and again, like I said, this is just a theory, but a lot of times you'll hear these voices and they are directly after a noise or somebody is saying something.
And it's almost like these voices are using that sound that's already in the atmosphere and using that to project their own voices or their own sounds.
so apparently it can be done with any kind of electronic recording equipment that might even include video tape or Yeah, we've recorded voices on our videotapes.
Okay.
Again, let's find out for most of the voices we're going to hear tonight, we now know that one of them is the old analog tape system.
They're actually done with a combination of recorders.
You know, there's your standard built-in flash media digital recorder, you know, the mini-digital recorders.
And we've actually gone so far as to now, especially in the later recordings that you'll hear tonight from the mental hospital, they were recorded through a laptop sound card, a sound card that I had tuned to record EVP.
And I believe in one of the tracks, you hear me talking about the benefits of using the laptop because essentially you've got a 60 or 80 gigabyte hard drive to do that.
Here's another sort of thing that a caller threw up, and I want to address it with you.
and that is uh...
do you have a religious bias in other words we everybody's looking for well Maybe they've got some sort of religious bias, and they're trying to convince the world that heaven and God await on the other side.
This is not a fundamentalist kind of we're going to prove to the world there's a God and another side.
Besides, my answer to that caller was, look, if that's what it was, it seems to me, and they were faking these things, we'd be getting God is great, heaven is what you all await, Jesus, get right with Jesus, you know, whatever, those kind of messages, and that's not what we get.
I cannot imagine, though, a ghost being in that state of mind because I don't believe that I don't think the mentality of the ghosts that stay have that mentality about them.
I think that they're more in a turmoil or sad or regretful state of mind that keeps them here.
Many times you get a response to some comment one of you made that appears to be a contemporary.
In other words, an immediate response to something you said, indicating that whoever it is and wherever they are, they're able either to hear or understand or see us on this side.
I believe, you know, at times I believe that they are aware of us and they're aware of what we're doing and what we're saying.
And other times it seems like we're almost tapping into almost like you're listening to somebody who isn't aware of you, but they're having their own conversation.
And we don't get that a lot of the time.
The majority of the time, like Barbara said, they are aware of us.
they're at least, if not aware of what we're doing, they're aware of us being there and interacting with each other.
See, no, I'm glad you brought that up because that really is one of the biggest questions that people come up to us with is saying, you know, how do you know this isn't a CB transmission or anything like that?
And the next point is a lot of times, well, maybe I wouldn't say a lot of times, I would say 40, 50% of the time, we get some sort of a contemporary information.
Some kind of information that is directly responding to us or the environment that we're in.
And when we research it, we have no, I mean, prior to that recording, we had no idea what it was talking about.
And then after, I mean, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking of the Plastic Eyes voice that Barbara recorded.
That is to say, the actual recordings, the new ones that have been received since the last appearance of the GIS represented by Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, some incredibly disturbing, in some cases, stuff.
So we'll start off easy, and then incredibly, they've gone to a mental hospital, or I guess what was a mental hospital.
multiple identical sound recorders were set up in parallel two or more do they usually both received the e_v_p_ or does it inevitably occur on only one We all have separate recorders, and varying by proximity to each other, we all record the same thing.
There are times when I would say about if we're next to each other, record a voice, I would say probably 80% of the time.
Well, there's occasions when there's been like three of us standing in real close proximity and only one or two will record the voice and the third one won't.
There are other times when we're spread out quite a bit and when, in fact, there's been some of the voices that we use from the prison where we were spread out in the prison and one person will pick up the voice, it'll sound like it's next to them, and the other people will record it, but it's in a distance.
Well, of course, recently there has been a motion picture out about this very topic.
And I'm sure that you guys received a lot of email, got pretty excited when you heard there was a movie going to be called White Noise about EVP.
And David in Charlotte, North Carolina says, hey, Art, the movie White Noise indicated that about one of every 12 EVP messages Are threatening in nature.
Have your guests received any threatening EVP messages?
Well, the theory on this is ghosts are caused by emotion or severe distress, which technically, I guess, is emotion.
And when you look at the case of like a prison, I mean, these people, especially people that have been in there for 40, 50 years, this is all they know.
And they have become, in a way, almost insane.
And I mean, they just, they get so used to this habit of doing the same thing over and over and over again that they end up passing on.
They don't know anything else, and that's what they continue doing.
And then if you go to, say, a cemetery, I mean, how much emotion is actually involved in the cemetery?
I mean, with people coming to mourn people that have passed or to remember people that have passed.
Well, I should first mention that what we have done, and we did this the last show, we have on our website posted a link to these EVPs so people, as we play them on the show, they can go to our website, click on the Coast to Coast April 2nd, 2005 link, and listen to these EVPs again if they think they heard something different or just want to hear them again.
And this takes, by the way, folks, the work involved in what they do is staggering.
It means going to these locations, doing hours and hours and hours of recording, and then hours and hours and hours of listening, and then, I suppose, hours of kind of sitting down as a committee and deciding what was said when you do get that magic voice.
They were looking for actual haunted locations in Salt Lake, and they had related stories to this radio station of all the guests that have had experiences and things like that.
So the radio station ended up calling us and saying, you know, we'd like to have you come in here and do this.
So we go in there, and, you know, we stayed overnight.
And the lady who was the curator of this location, she was explaining the history of it, the people that owned it.
It was a doctor that had originally built it.
And in this clip, you're going to hear her say, she's actually looking through a picture book.
And you hear her say, this was, yeah, this was the main guy.
His name was Dr. Edward Woodruff.
And then she turns the page, and you'll hear her say, and this is his wife.
and then you hear this grassman and say very feisty and it's almost like this man is saying you know she was Is that what I mean?
You know, I was telling Barbara when we heard this, and this may show what I'm into a little bit, but it reminded me of the old Monty Python sketch, the Nudge Nudge, Wink, Wink sketch.
Do you, speaking of controversy, do you get a lot of angry email from religious people You know, when we started this back in 98, I was almost preparing for it.
I really thought that there would be some people that were so upset by this and, you know, so almost emotionally affected by it that we would hear a lot more than we have.
And I can recall in seven, eight years, maybe three or four emails like that.
In other words, Brendan and Barbara are telling us what we're going to hear.
Now, this is done in the interest of time, but there is always the possibility of suggestion, of the, you know, that they're telling me I'm going to hear a woman's voice, that it's going to seem like it has an English accent.
But if we were to do it any other way, we just would never get through all of these, nor if I keep talking all the time.
In some cases, it's definitely power of suggestion.
I mean, it's very subjective.
And in other cases, it is so blatantly clear what is being said that, I mean, everybody you play it for, you haven't even told them what you think it sounds like.
Once you've captured the various voices, do you then sort of have a meeting where everybody sits around and you play them and try and come to a group conclusion?
Because there's like this last voice that we played, I think that it sounds like they're throwing it, but I really think that she's saying something else.
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There have been people, since you can record sounds, there has been people that have tried this and people that have tried to go so much farther than what we have done.
And I think a lot of that has to do with the location that we're in.
I mean, obviously the primary language is English.
And I really don't think that we've recorded, well, let's say maybe 5, 10% at the most has been some form of other language, whether it's German, Spanish.
You know, I think it's, I mean, obviously with some people it is religious.
But I think with a lot of other people, it's personal exploration.
They just want to know for themselves.
I mean, whether anybody else believes what they're doing or not, they can at least prove to themselves this is what's happening and at least, you know, affirm in their minds that this is what's going to happen or at least know that when they die, that's not it.
This one was recorded at Brendan and Jenny's house.
I was listening to a recording with my headphones on, and I'm referring to this recording, and we had stepped outside during this recording, and I say, boy, we were out for a long time, and this voice was recorded that says, let me go.
They claimed, you know, I mean, like I mentioned, it's been closed for the last 20 years and has severe amounts of water damage and vandalism and all that.
And they're in the process right now of restoring it.
And, you know, we mentioned to them as they're doing this that they may see an increase in activity because a lot of times when you, you know, a spirit becomes attached to a location, when you start changing the location, renovating it, making any kind of changes, that tends to stir up some kind of activity, whether it's good or bad, you'll notice an increase in it.
I guess haunt is the right word so everybody can understand, but maybe they're just going on as in death as they did in life.
But once again, maybe it's important that we make this distinction.
Not everybody, or at least I guess you believe, don't you, that not everybody that you get to record, let's put it this way, that the majority of those who pass on go somewhere else.
No, I do believe that there is, you know, a heaven and a hell, and there are people that go either way.
But for whatever reason, there are some people that just do not go where they're supposed to.
And there are so many theories on why, you know, loved ones keeping them here, you know, a tragic accident, and they don't realize that they've even passed on.
But I do believe that there are a very small amount that do stay here.
We're about to be off to the mental hospital, but in a moment, I do want to ask again about the proof.
In other words, utterances have been made and recorded.
know the will is under the mattress things like that that would have come from conscious thought after death The SpiritCom recordings were astounding.
We published the literature on SpiritCom.
We published the schematics for the equipment to produce the sounds, the multiple sounds, that spirits could use to modulate to conduct an ongoing actual conversation with the dead.
And I'm hoping that some people have picked up on that information and are building that equipment.
And I trust that we will hear from you when that occurs.
In the meantime, back to the GIS represented by Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
And the question of proof is what I raised.
In other words, have there been utterances from the other side that indicated where something was or that made a statement about something that could be checked out?
And then actually, I think one of the best ones that I can think of is we were in a cemetery and recorded a woman's voice that we've actually played on your show before.
So I moved the laptop downstairs into this room that was way off at the very end of the building and plugged it in and set it on a shelf and just let it sit there and record.
And after I did that, I started walking out of the room and went outside and everybody else had followed us out there and everybody was sitting outside at the time this was recorded.
And it sat there silent for about seven minutes.
And then all of a sudden, after about seven minutes, you hear what can only be described as a child.
And followed by the child, you hear an older man, and then the child again.
We don't allow anyone under the age of 18 anywhere near our investigations.
The other odd thing is for about 15 to 20 seconds at the end of this recording, you hear water, and you hear it splashing and splashing back and forth and almost a thrashing sound.
And then you're going to hear a thud, and the sound just dies.
You hear nothing else after that.
In fact, the next thing you'd hear is me coming in to pick up the laptop and move it.
To me, listening to this over and over and over again, and this is what really bothers me, Barbara and I and the rest of the GIS had a big debate on whether this should even be included in the show, because I thought it was almost too disturbing to play.
But to me, it sounds like what you're hearing is a kid saying, help me.
We've, you know, we've thought about this, and my feeling on it, and Barbara differs on this, we've talked about this before, I feel that it is almost like a residual piece.
It's something that was so traumatic it was recorded in the atmosphere, and for whatever reason gets played back from time to time, and we just happen to pick it up.
On everything that I've researched and read about Residual hauntings is usually everything that I know about when residual hauntings are taking place and witnessed, they are always in the location that the actual event took place.
I think Roger, you know, the day that I recorded this and brought it over to play for everyone else, I mean, it almost looked like Roger was crying when he heard it.
It was, I mean, just to hear it is so disturbing.
Even if you, you know, we don't break it down and tell you what it says, I mean, you really can't come to any other conclusion.
Now, this kind of thing is obviously disturbing, but remember, we're in a mental hospital.
But yes, that was quite clear to me.
will kill you bastards and i would take such a thing seriously one more time that was the yes That's got to worry you.
When you listen, even though you're hearing this later, not right on the, I mean, if I heard that right on the spot, I might really want to make tracks.
But of course you don't.
You don't, reminding everybody, folks have hours of tape or recordings to go through, and so they don't hear these until they get home, right?
This is going to seem like an irreverent remark, but it's hard for me to imagine a God who would allow a mentally disturbed person in this world, a severely mentally disturbed person, to remain a mentally disturbed person after they pass.
But, hey, I'm not the one drawing out the plans.
It just, it, doesn't it seem odd?
Or maybe it doesn't, because it seems like personalities carry over no matter what they are.
Yes, and maybe that's why you ought to be careful, pay very careful attention to what you do in this life, because that's what you're going to keep doing.
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You don't count reason.
You know you don't count reason.
You don't count reason.
You know you don't count reason.
But the thing you do, you wanna see the blues and your own don't come easy.
You don't have to shout all these the vows, you can even play them easy.
You can't run by the past.
I'm not a fan of the vows.
I said you love, I thought you'd win I'm gonna do that.
I have to give, why did it have to stop?
You're blowing all sky high, by telling me a lie, without a reason why.
You're blowing all sky high.
You're blowing all sky high.
Our love happens to fly.
We could not touch the sky.
You're blowing all sky high.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
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Brendan Cook, Barbara MacFett, members of the GIS, the Ghost Investigation Society, or Investigators Society, are my guests.
They have a website.
You can follow what you're hearing tonight on that website.
We've got a link up.
You can also investigate a great deal of what they've done in the past.
In the past, we've had some pretty chilling stuff, although I must admit, this last cut that we had to deal with maybe topped it all.
I don't know.
that was quite some cut the Once again, Brendan and Barbara from Utah.
All right, you two are back, and what I'd like to do is cover the remaining clips we have between now and the bottom of the hour, and then be able to take some calls for about a half hour at least.
Can we do that?
All right, good.
It should work out.
Number nine is coming up.
I still can't get shape number seven.
I probably, I should tell you all, Brennan called me before the program and said, Art, you better listen to number seven before we air it.
And I said, no.
I'm not afraid to run anything.
As long as it doesn't have, you know, language I can't run.
so anybody want to take a shot at that meetings or what i think on that one you pretty much like the one before it just kind of take it at face value Yeah.
Right, in this one, you're going to hear the lady that owns the building, and we were asking about the room that we were in, what it was originally used for, and she says, no, you're in the bank right now, you're in customer service.
And then this voice was recorded right after that.
I mean, you would imagine a conversation going on on the other side that would have more to say, but you seem to get small slices of what's being said.
We've thought about this and figured that it mainly has to do with the amount of energy that these spirits have to exert to even speak what we do record.
I mean, there is the popular theory that ghosts manifest or manipulate the existing electromagnetic field, and we do use EMF meters, thermal scanners, things like that.
But again, I mean, this is all theory, and nobody knows for sure that this is how they do it and this is why they do it.
I mean, it's just it takes people like us and all the other researchers out there to basically come to a common denominator on what's causing it.
Now, this one, I had set the laptop up again to record, and I was actually walking out of the room at this time and passed some people that were in the building with us.
And I was telling them, yeah, when you go in that room, the laptop's sitting on the shelf, so be careful.
I say the mic's kind of sticking out of that little wooden thing also.
And then you hear what sounds like a kid saying he was ugly.
I mean, the only thing I can think of ever happening that was physically, you know, physically maybe endangered us was Barbara had a bolt thrown at her, but it wasn't even hard enough to hurt her.
And there are lots of occasions, you've told me in the past, I believe, where you've talked over each other or you have been talking when a voice says something and they mix together, right?
You know, as you mentioned at the beginning of the program, we did have the theory that these were being imprinted through electromagnetic fields and things like that.
Okay, now this one, this was I was sitting in a room by myself, and I thought that a friend of mine was in the room with me, and you'll hear me say, hey, Lee, Lee, and of course, nobody answers me.
He's not even in the room with me anymore.
And then a child comes in and says, I'm hungry.
And to me, this child sounds like the same child in track seven.
Most of the time, it's just simply amplifying the loops that we include at the end.
There are times, you know, in the case of track seven, because we were recording in that little room and there was so much background atmosphere sounds, you know, electricity humming sounds and things like that, we did in track seven do a hiss reduction to get rid of that.
And on the website, we're actually including the original unedited piece that was straight off the laptop.
And you can basically hear all the static that we had to cut out.
And again, tonight has been full of more than any other night I think we've ever done with respons, or I don't want to say responses, with tracks that seemed totally not responsive to anything any of you said.
And you think because it was a mental hospital, that is why we came up with such a non-responsive well I think that I mean I think definitely there was a lot of residual energy in this location.
And obviously a lot of these tracks, like you mentioned, don't seem to be responding to us.
Right.
But I mean, I think a lot of it has to do with the emotion of that building and the things that may have been recorded there.
well all right i don't know what the audience is going to ask but i can imagine after hearing all of this there would be a lot of questions they would have things that perhaps we didn't cover and uh...
once again folks uh...
the website uh...
bremen if you would give it Ghostpics.com.
So that would be a place to continue your investigation if you have been intrigued.
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Hi, I wanted to say hi to Art and Brendan and Barbara.
Hi.
Hello.
Hi.
I was just going to say it's so weird that you were talking about EVP tonight because I've always believed in that stuff.
Every house I've ever lived in has had a ghost, and it's followed me from place to place.
And I was talking with a friend last night who told me that a co-worker has a disruptive ghost in her house, and she was freaked out, doesn't really understand it.
So me and some friends went to her place tonight with a recorder and a digital camera, as well as a regular camera.
And we went around, took pictures, asked questions.
We came home, and we got a voice of a child that is saying, please, please help.
And it's just creepy to hear this.
And in some of these pictures, we took pictures in reflective services like mirrors and windows because we heard that you can actually get faces and images in reflective images like that.
And we've actually got faces that are looking back out at us.
And it's just incredible.
And when I heard this tonight, I said, well, I have to call and tell this because I heard someone call and say they didn't think this was real, that it was a hoax, but it's not.
Okay, first, what we always tell children to do when they're young is don't go to strangers if they don't recognize, you know, if you don't recognize the stranger.
When she passed away, she was 26, and she was a bartender with me at a large spring break club in South Padre Island.
And she was let go one night and got angry, had too much to drink, and was involved in a drunk driving accident that killed herself that night.
Very violent.
And she also ran into another family of four.
And they were taken care of by the nightclub.
And it was five years afterwards that just happened to move to Puerto Ramse, one block away from where she was buried, and went over and got the recording, and it came out, woe is my life.
Yeah, we've had, I mean, especially people sending invoices, much like he just talked about, you know, having a father or an uncle pass away, and, you know, especially pass away tragically.
And going to their grave site or their tomb in a mausoleum and recording and being able to hear their voice or, you know, a voice that sounds like them saying their name or the person doing the recording's name, you know, something like that, something that's meaningful to them.
Okay, it's really great to speak with you, my favorite talk show host and my favorite guest.
Thank you.
I have a brother who is an electronics genius, and I have really tried to take the George Meeks ball and run with it, trying to find any of his relatives or associates to glean any information on reproducing the equipment.
I've been unsuccessful, so I wanted to ask you, Art, or Barbara or Brendan, if you might know anybody who has a bit more information for my brother to grab onto this and really try to make a go of it?
Thank God there are people out there chomping at the bit, is what I think she meant.
To follow up on the meek work, I've just been really hoping upon hope there are a number of people who take the technical specs that we gave and the story, and I'll do it again, if necessary, and follow up on this, because I believe that he had an ongoing communication with the dead.
Is there any question in either one of your minds about that?
I'm sure what we're hearing over the radio is probably not what you guys are hearing exactly, but to me, it sounded when Brendan's friend was saying hello, hello, that the woman said hello there.
Or something like, well, hello there.
I don't know what you guys had said that she said.
You're familiar how when you're soldering eutectic solder that it comes down to a certain temperature and congeals?
If you would have seen a man a century ago doing plenums with a soldering iron, that plenum would be a sound box and the trail of the cooling eutectic solder would be a recording of the sounds of people talking at the moment.
You could go clear back and catch a dinosaur roaring as it was bleeding to death or so by the chemical differences, say, in congealing blood.
You know, there's a theory, you two, that, and this may even relate to EVPs for all I know, but there is a theory that everything, chairs, tables, windows, particularly windows, actually have some kind of memory.
And if we knew how to draw out from them, we could hear things from the past.
And, you know, I really think that plays into what we were mentioning on track seven, this residual haunting and this almost recording that's being played back for some reason.
I do think, you know, that it is some kind of memory that the location retains.
that the location retains well is there any way of going back to find out if there ever was a bathtub in that room a pool in that room some something would You're on it now, huh?
All right.
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And I'm kind of a religious person myself, and I agree with you on the fact that you said you find it hard to believe that God would let a mental person stick around as an insane person in another lifetime.
And I think, you know, what we're hearing is perhaps, like, I was, like, there was a theory that when you die, that you relive your sins.
And perhaps, like, what we're hearing is, and somehow we get connected into the other world.
And we are hearing someone reliving their sins and seeing what they did in another life.
Like, so, for instance, the woman that we hear is, I'm working.
Perhaps we're seeing or hearing what happened her telling her husband that she was working, whereas, in fact, she was doing some, like, committing a sin or like a sin of adultery or something in her life.
And we're actually hearing what, like, hearing what she's reliving in her next life.