Geologist Jim Berkland, whose earthquake predictions—like the 1989 World Series quake—boast 75% accuracy over 30 years, ties seismic activity to lunar tides, solar flares, and animal behavior (e.g., missing cats, magnetic-sensing "earthquake headaches"). He dismisses USGS skepticism as outdated, citing ignored warnings like his 1980 Northern California forecast, and warns of underreported death tolls, such as the Sumatra tsunami’s revised 400,000+ fatalities. Berkland’s tidal-based "seismic windows" align with past quakes in the Cascadia Subduction Zone, raising concerns about potential future megathrust events despite official reassurances, while also linking cosmic radiation to genetic shifts during slow-moving fault transitions. [Automatically generated summary]
Every single one of you covered like a blanket by this very unusual program called Coast Coast A.M. I'm Mike Bell.
It is my distinct pleasure and honor to be having you through the weekend right off the bat before I even get to any world news.
I want to get this on the air just in case.
This is one of those just-in-case things.
Kathy, wherever Kathy is out there, I don't think it's Woodbridge Kathy, but you never know, says, hey, Art, at Princeton, the eggs are going bonkers tonight.
If you get a chance, check them out.
So I did go up there to the Princeton site and did kind of check it out.
And I don't have a good reference.
However, there is one page on the Princeton site where you can actually monitor the individual eggs and their activity.
And it did seem to be really cooking along.
And some of the numbers for this date seemed like they were through the roof.
So maybe I've got that all wrong.
Some of the rest of you can take a look and let me know what you think about the Princeton eggs tonight.
But just in case, the little hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.
And this would seem to confirm that.
So if something is about to happen, then maybe you heard it here first.
I don't know.
Maybe nothing, huh?
I'm just telling you that they did seem extremely active.
Now, what's going on in the world otherwise?
Well, not much good.
The man who fatally shot seven people during a quiet church service, you know, just the fact that in this day and age, we're getting to the point where I think we're getting used to hearing things like this.
The guy who shot seven people at a quiet church service before finally turning the gun on himself was apparently on the verge of losing his job.
As well, he was upset over a sermon he heard a couple of weeks ago.
It's just that I think we're getting used to hearing these kind of headlines, sorts of headlines, and we're getting hardened, a little cynical.
The hostage who helped end the 26-hour manhunt for the man accused of killing a judge and three others apparently had long talks with her captor during the 13 hours she was held in her own apartment.
Police say she conducted herself very well.
I wonder if she actually talked the hostage-taker out of what he was doing.
If so, really good job.
Israel's cabinet on Sunday affirms it is going to dismantle 24 illegal West Bank settlement outposts, but did not say whether they'd be removed and evaded any sort of decision at all on the rest of the 81 that are out there.
The Walt Disney Corporation, this is interesting, said Sunday, its president, Robert Iger, will succeed Michael Eisner as chief executive and that Eisner will leave his post a year earlier than previously announced.
And this one should certainly vibrate a little bit for you.
China's national legislature on Monday overwhelmingly approved a law.
This is a law authorizing a military attack to stop Taiwan from pursuing formal independence.
That's the day after the President in Taiwan told the 2.5 million member People's Liberation Army, that would be of China rather, to be prepared for war.
The measure was approved by a vote of a lot of dissent here.
2,896 to zero.
With two abstentions.
Two abstentions, huh?
On the last day of the Figurehead National People's Congress annual session.
I love that vote.
That's when you can tell you're in the presence of real freedom.
2,896 to go to war, zero opposing, two abstentions, and they're now hanging from flagpoles.
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I don't know about the last of that, but probably.
There is very good reason tonight, folks, to have Jim Birkland on the program.
The amount of news right now about seismic activity in volcanoes is absolutely overwhelming.
Mount St. Helens may not be the only Northwest volcano spitting lava these days.
A scientific SWAT team from Seattle is sailing this afternoon, this was an article on, I think, the 5th, for a spot off the Vancouver Island area where they suspect an underwater eruption is underway now.
We really don't know what to expect, said Edward Baker, an oceanographer at the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
If we're lucky, we might get pictures of brand new lava on the seafloor.
Now, that would be, I guess, scientific luck, but I don't know if it'd be luck for the people of the Northwest.
Their observations will, of course, help improve understanding of the Wandafuca Plade, a tectonic time bomb capable of producing earthquakes and tsunamis on par with the disaster that struck the Indian Ocean in December.
baker said it's been going on long enough now that we're pretty sure lava is moving.
We're about to go to open lines.
I've got a little more just ahead, but open lines for the rest of this hour.
As you know, there was a fireball that moved very slowly over the northwest just before 8 o'clock last night, and there was also a concurrent earthquake.
It was perhaps just before, maybe 10 minutes before, about 3.3 parts of downtown Seattle also experienced a brief power outage, all at about the same time.
And from Woodley Streeber's unknown country, there's also a lot of news about all of this.
An earthquake swarm, of course, off the coast of Oregon that I already mentioned.
And just all kinds of activity going on all over the world.
Here's a story about a supervolcano.
There are enough supervolcanoes on Earth to wipe out much of the planet, and they may wake up much sooner than we thought, says the story.
Supervolcanoes explode with the force that is thousands of times that of a normal volcanic eruption.
Earthquake experts once thought that it would perhaps take hundreds of thousands of years for the reservoirs of molten rock called magma lying beneath the supervolcano, any supervolcano, to build up enough pressure to cause an eruption.
But a few studies show that the time between eruptions can actually be only tens of thousands of years, meaning that a lot of them may be long overdue.
And here's a story about a double volcanic eruption in eastern Russia.
Acquired from orbit 800 kilometers away, the Envisat image shows two volcanoes erupting simultaneously on Russia's snowy Kamchetka Peninsula this week.
Located in the Russian Far East, the peninsula is a landscape covered with volcanoes, part of the Pacific Ring of Fire.
And these two volcanoes apparently are going off at exactly the same time.
So all kinds of earthquake-type news going on.
I definitely want to get this in.
This is insane, in my opinion.
The fur is going to fly when cat lovers hear about Mark Smith's idea.
Perhaps you've already heard about it.
This Wisconsin hunter and firefighter wants stray cats classified as an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody with a small game license.
Smith welcomes wild birds onto his property, but if he sees a cat, he thinks the invasive, that's the word, invasive animals should be considered fair game.
48-year-old firefighter from La Crosse, Wisconsin has proposed that hunters in Wisconsin make free-roaming domestic cats an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody at will with a small game license.
What a bad idea.
Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
I mean, a pet would get loose, perhaps, and wander into his area, and away they go.
I would think making it open season on either dogs or cats, first of all, how would you know if they're wild or not?
You wouldn't.
And even if they are, certainly I would think you would not want to shoot them.
Yeah, well, that's also what Willie does, not on vegetable oil, but on biodiesel.
The whole concept is fascinating, and if it really can be done, then come on, let's think about it a little bit.
It would help the American farmer, right, tremendously.
It would help all of us because we need not chase after all this very expensive, both in terms of money and lives, foreign oil.
And we can begin doing it right now.
I mean, right now.
If you're a trucker, there's not a thing in the world.
If there is any drawback to some of these diesel mixtures, it's that in cold weather, or if you let it sit for a very long time, it might congeal in some way.
But in the case of a truck driver, you know, where that truck is constantly in use, no problem.
Well, in my opinion, sir, that's what that is, rationalizing murder.
Setting up such a thing where you could shoot at cats.
Yes, I used the right word, murder.
Well, you can't murder an animal.
Well, I think you can.
It has been my considered opinion for a very, very long time that cats and dogs and other animals, as well mammals, have souls.
If we have souls, then I think they have souls.
If we don't have souls, then I suppose they don't have souls.
Or maybe they have souls and we don't.
I don't know.
Honestly, all fun aside, I think that most attributes that you can give to a human minus the speech part, of course, you will see in animals, if you live with them closely, you will see personality traits that are undeniably human-like.
Jealousy, anger, joy, curious, being curious, awareness of self.
I have seen all of these things.
And so what constitutes a soul?
Well, some would say self-awareness.
Some would say the other, some of the other, humor even, some of these other emotions that I talked about.
These are all the things that come together to make a human.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hello.
I are.
I'm very glad to be able to talk to you.
I really enjoy the program you and George have going on there.
I stay awake till you guys go off at night just to be able to listen to you.
I got a couple of little things, if you don't mind.
One was about Willie Nelson with his diesel fuel.
Yes.
About probably 15, 20 years ago, it would have to be a little bit longer now because I lived in Kentucky at the time, I had rubber kneel frame hose on my transmission line.
And I lived in a very rural area in West Virginia, Kentucky area down there right on the line.
And they had no transmission fluid.
So I put me a quart of vegetable oil in it.
I never had a lick of problems out of that car and nothing at all.
And it worked just as good as a transflu would work.
Well, with my luck, I would have done something like that, and I would have gone to the mechanic, and he'd say, well, I'm sorry, Art, you've done $4,000 worth of damage.
But you're saying it works just fine, huh?
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Yeah, it worked perfectly.
Not it, you couldn't even tell no difference.
Another little thing I wanted to say, too, is I talked to my brother today, and I've been thinking about this every time I hear a lot of your programs on here.
Back probably 10 years ago, he had surgery on his back, and he was in hospital, so I'd called him and see how he was doing stuff.
And when he moved to answer the phone, he broke his stitches loose, and he started bleeding.
He said, Paul, he says, by the way, my name's Paul.
I'm from Detroit area.
And he said, Paul, he says, I'm bleeding really bad.
Blood squirting all across the room.
I said, well, man, holler for a nurse real quick.
And he says, a few seconds later, he says, I see mommy.
Her mom had passed away in 1980.
And he said, he seen mommy sitting there and was just, you know, there.
And I asked him about that again today.
He said, oh, yeah, I remember that as plain as day.
And I just wanted to mention that to you, that the spirits are out there.
Okay, I wanted to make mention over the fact that the scenarios that are happening across the United States and the world where the number four is starting to arise, especially in cases with Brian Nichols and the RCMP officers that were killed in Alberta.
Well, just before the 9-11 incident in 2001, over a six-month period, there were similar situations that occurred in the United States where there were murder situations, situations of accidental death, but the number four kept coming up, and it's a demonic number.
And it has to do with something that is about to happen.
And I believe it's going to happen either with North Korea or China, where both countries have nuclear weapons.
And if we go to war with them, I believe that the possibility of Los Angeles being at ground zero is a reality.
Yeah, well, actually, also across the Midwest, very close to you.
So a lot of strange things going on lately.
A very great deal of volcanic activity, earthquake activity, magma moving beneath the ground, and earthquakes sort of a threatening.
And then we've got these eggs apparently going berserk at Princeton.
I wonder if that's real.
I'd like a check on that.
Any of you have access to the information?
Fast blast me what you know.
from the high desert in the middle of the night you're listening to coast to coast a_m_ the the the the the the the the the
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Well, when them smoking yellow grass fires start to burn...
The warnings on them beer can't be buried and then the land will move on.
No set sounds of no return.
Yeah, it's gonna take about a minute or so.
Fire blocks so you're gonna have to turn your lights on different players.
The lights are gonna be neon, saying fly our jets to paradise, and the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene.
So listen to my brothers, when you hear the nightman's sigh, and you see the waters flying through the great polluted sky.
There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll, cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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from coast to coast and worldwide on the internet this is coast to coast a m with art bell good morning everybody open lines right now anything you want to talk about absolutely fair game Coming up at the top of the hour, we're going to find out about all this shaking and magma and tectonic activity.
In fact, actually, I've got two ideas that I'd like to run by people tonight.
One concerned volcanoes, and that was when you had a volcano and you could tell from the seismic readings that there was magma moving around, why couldn't you take a man-made drilling team up there, this is going to be a very stupid idea, and drill a hole into the side and let the magma out slowly?
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No, actually, that was what I was calling you to have you ask him.
Is there any way that we could allow the magma, instead of blowing the top off everything, just let it seep out in a controlled manner?
I thought of this some time ago and suggested it on air.
And I have another idea I'd like to run by everybody tonight, perhaps equally as unworkable.
I don't know.
But this involves suicide bombers or homicide bombers or people with dynamite and C4 and stuff like that strapped to their chest.
I really would like to run this by all of you.
Now, this comes from the mind of an amateur radio operator.
I'm a ham operator, right?
But I think a lot of you are going to be able to perhaps, maybe, resonate with this idea.
How many times have you driven by a highway location where they're doing construction work, building a bridge or, you know, whatever the people who work on our highways do?
You know, a lot of times they'll tunnel through mountains.
And, you know, when they do, they have explosives on the site.
They've got a lot of dynamite or whatever it is they use to, you know, blow the rocks out of the way so they can get a road through.
Inevitably, you will see signs on the highway that say no two-way radio use.
Am I right?
Have you ever seen those?
Turn off all two-way radios and communication devices?
And you know why?
Because they're worried that the RF, the radio frequency, that comes from your transmitter will prematurely detonate the explosives.
Now, having said that, and feeling fairly firmly that most of you know what I'm talking about, here's my idea.
At American checkpoints in Iraq, before you get anywhere near the American guards and the checkpost itself, you have a very high-energy wide-spectrum radio transmitter, and you transmit at everybody who walks or rides through.
Now, the strength of that radio transmission and the frequency would be adjusted to most likely blow up whatever you've got in your car or strapped on your chest so that not so many people would die, except, of course, the person who chose to actually strap the dynamite on their chest.
Why, they'd go up like a Roman candle.
And so I just thought I would toss that idea out there and see if it resonated with anybody.
What do you think?
A very high RF energy signal transmitted toward a potential suicide bomber, not hurting the biological entities, the other ones who walk by it without explosives, but definitely detonating stuff that people are wearing.
You know, I just wanted to comment on a feeling that I had on 9-10.
It was about 9 in the morning.
I was on the freeway in L.A. driving to a dentist appointment, and I just had this weird feeling that something was going to go wrong, like it was going to be the end of the world.
I don't know.
I mean, it was the worst feeling I've ever had in my life, and I've never had that type of a feeling before.
I mean, suppose it really happened and truckers across America began using soybean fuel for diesel.
How much difference would that make to you and to the rest of our country's farmers?
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It would be absolutely huge due to the fact that Argentina and Brazil, within the next, I would guess, four to five years are going to be the king soybean producers.
They're going to be the main soybean producers.
So if we can find a whole nother use for biodiesel and soybeans, that would be huge to not only the American farmers, but to the rest of the population as far as price of fuel and other products that can come from soybeans.
And as I told Willie Nelson last night, maybe we have a chance right here and now to talk to the truckers out across America.
And there are these certain locations where this soybean fuel, that's right, from soybeans, can be put directly into your standard diesel engine with no modification, no changes whatsoever.
And there are certain locations where you can actually get this fuel now and give it a try.
Well, you know, they had this story that came out earlier this week that the earlier Greek Bible that came was written in, what, 184, something like A.D., is being put back together.
There's now books of Mark that were never written.
They were written for political use at the time, or being put back together.
But look here, I've got some friends in China right now, and they have been kind of advised to get back into the bigger cities instead of out into little factories.
And a couple of my buddies are in Taiwan right now.
But I don't believe, I really don't believe anything's going to happen because that's just too much money, and China wants some money too much right now.
The reason they have you turn off your radios and stuff is because some of the detonators they use work on radio signals, but you can't just detonate an explosive unless it has that detonator.
I agree they're not to shoot the feral cats and the dogs a lot of times.
I just want you to understand something.
They already shoot free-ranging dogs.
Well, several things.
And the only thing that kept me from being in the female burger is that this had a little sheriff that came in and he was calling down in front of my kids and said, I just shot your dog.
He was down there running with Kyoto.
Well, you had a big old red stick town, and the red stick town was just a big old puff.
See, the reason that you're a gentle person and you don't know anything about killing virus, those guys use high-powered rifles with fancy scopes, and they can tell you if the cat even has claws if he rolls over on his back.
I mean, that's how you would know if he had a collar on.
And what they wanted to do was make it a big deal.
It is, and I keep using this bumper music so that Phil Henry's parodies of me will continue to be contemporary in nature.
Good morning, everybody.
Jim Birkland, geologist Jim Birkland, as many of you know, or some don't, was suspended from a California government geology job when he made a prediction that he should have made a major quake would occur during the 89 World Series while it happened.
The government told him, don't make any more predictions.
Now he's retired.
He publicly states, quake windows.
Mr. Birkland uses tidal flooding tables based upon lunar perigee, the time when the moon is closest to the Earth, to effect more gravitational pull on the Earth.
And I've got, you know, that caller and myself about two weeks ago both had the same idea.
Jim Berkland would be exactly the guy to ask about it and we shall in a moment.
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Jim Berkland would be exactly the guy to ask about it and we shall in a moment.
A couple of ways to open a bottle of champagne, right?
One is and then, of course, you get champagne everywhere.
And another is to just open it a little bit, and you get it.
Now, I know this is probably a crackpot idea, no doubt.
But this caller, two weeks ago, I mentioned this myself, and this caller just mentioned it as well with respect to volcanoes and the dome of the volcano.
We get stories constantly about the dome of a volcano growing X number of inches or feet or whatever it's done, you know, bulging.
And both that caller and myself think that, well, why not send some kind of a drilling team up to the dome of a volcano and drill a hole and let it go and prevent an explosion.
Now, that's probably a crackpot idea, but it seems like it ought to have some merit, maybe, except for the guys probably drilling the hole.
Yes, well, there we have a classic ridge where new magma is coming up from deep down below, the mantle, and it chills in the big crack along the ridge, and it wedges apart the pre-existing chilled rock of the oceanic plate.
And often it forms pillows, and it'll chill down there.
But when it hardens, it sort of shoulders aside the pre-existing chilled crust, and that's what makes it moves laterally.
It moves the ridges are almost north-south, and so they move everything west and east.
And the part that goes west pretty soon goes down in the Cascadia Trench off the coast of Oregon, Washington, and Northern California.
And every time it moves, it makes a quake.
And every time it moves, it generates friction.
And that helps to melt rock down at larger depths, especially with all that water in there and the soil and the clays that are going down in the marine sediments.
It doesn't look like they're going to have a big lattice type thing that they talk about, like we had a Krakatoa.
Because it is a spreading ridge, and it sort of accommodates.
Like they've taken the little submarine Alvin right down into the mid-Atlantic ridge and observed the magma flowing there when it goes to the surface.
It's lava.
But there will be occasional volcanic peaks and seamounts out there.
And it may well be that it could even reach the surface.
We know that off Hawaii, Hawaii is growing all the time, and now this new island, Loihi, is forming over the southern shore, just beyond the big island of Hawaii.
Now, meanwhile, the Big Island is the only island of the Hawaiian chain that's still growing because it's active volcanoes.
And I was able to stick my geologic pick into a flowing lava flow there about three years ago, one of the geologists' big dreams to be able to do that.
But it's a little different over in Hawaii where the volcanism is a little more under control, more fluid lavas.
It's not so explosive.
So you can go right up to the lava flows and see where the margins chilled.
I'm sure they're really instrumenting the heck out of it.
They lost some instruments with that last eruption.
Now, as far as I was concerned, it was a very timely eruption because my seismic window opened on the 8th and runs through tomorrow, the 15th, and it began to erupt on the 8th.
But in every volcano, every eruption, just like every earthquake, is unique.
And so you always are, there's a lot of guesswork involved.
But when you see the signs of the tilt and the increasing heat flow and then the test of gases and you see which of the gases are most abundant just before an eruption, they're getting closer.
And certainly, they're a lot closer to accepting prediction of volcanic eruptions than they are of accepting prediction of earthquakes.
And that's partly, I think, because with magma, you can picture it actually as it's a fluid.
It has a tide in it.
And it responds to gravitational pressures from the sun and moon, mainly.
And we find that there seems to be a kind of a cyclical pattern with many volcanoes.
Certainly, not all of them, but a few are showing a pretty good fingerprint helping to predict actual eruptions.
Well, like, you know, that 9.5 magnitude quake down in Chile in 1960?
Yes.
It had nine quakes of seven magnitude or better as aftershocks, and two Chilean volcanoes sprang into activity.
And in 1902, Pele had been bulging and steaming and creating a lot of concern down the island of Martinique.
But the governor down there was about to have an election, and he didn't want the wealthy people to take off.
And so he brought in a French expert who said, everything is fine.
Pele is fine.
Well, 30,000 of them died a few days later.
But the animals were fleeing the volcano.
And they might also have noticed that the day before it erupted and wiped out all those people with a new AR dot, a glowing avalanche of incredibly hot gases and particles that just cooked everything.
The day before, there was an eclipse of the moon.
And the day before, about 200 miles to the south, there was another volcanic eruption on another island.
And the people on Martinique breathed a sigh of relief and says, boy, that'll take the pressure off.
Well, they weren't drilling for that one, but it naturally was in that same belt of the West Indies.
And because one volcano went off, it didn't relieve Pele.
How frequently do we see many eruptions around the world at the same time?
In other words, the basis of this question is, down deep in the earth, Jim, is there any connection, do you feel, between volcanoes, volcanoes in the Caribbean volcanoes, in the northwest part of the U.S. volcanoes, in Japan, volcanoes around the world.
And there is some connection in that they tend to be linear belts, like the Cascade Range, inland from the Cascadia Trench.
And that was something that, you know, they recognized the ring of fire around the Pacific.
There's a similar ring around much of the Mediterranean.
And it's related to plate tectonics and where the plates are moving and where they are underthrusting, where one plate is diving down beneath usually a continental plate.
All that friction generates magma and you get periodic eruptions.
But they aren't totally divorced.
When Mount St. Helens went off, the big blow in the May 18th, well, here down in Mammoth Lakes, within a week, there were three quakes of over six and a half magnitude.
And then when the big earthquake hit Landers in 1992 down your way, there was a rash of quakes at Mammoth Lakes and up at Lassen and up at Yellowstone, small one.
But there was a five and a half in western Utah and another five and a half down your way, down by the nuclear depository site, where there wasn't supposed to be any five-magnitude quakes.
In fact, I was rather delighted to hear an expert from the U.S. Geological Survey say after the Landers quake, well, we were a bit surprised that the action occurred at the Mammoth Lakes in response to that big seven magnitude quake at Landers because the amount of energy passing through the Mammoth Lakes was less than the energy of the full moon passing overhead.
would that be fair i mean we have more help Exactly.
But the Moon is dead.
It doesn't have really a liquid core, active volcanoes, or moving plates.
I made the analogy that if you have a 95-year-old man on a cot, bare feet hanging out, and a 12-month-old baby sitting on another cot lying down there, and you tickle their feet with feathers, where are you going to see the action?
And I think the youngster, the living body like the earth, is where you'll see the action from a minor stimulus.
Really talking about one of the most scary things in the whole world.
Have you ever been in a big earthquake?
Really big earthquake?
There's nothing quite like it.
Nothing quite like it in terms of the absolute inability of your mind to deal with how helpless you really are.
And then, of course, the Quake at Sumatra and the killer tsunami.
And, you know, I was reading the stories in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of that, in which people, along with the horrible tragedy, were commenting that not one single animal body was found.
It was in all kinds of wire stories.
And, Jim, it seems to me that bolsters everything you've been saying about animals, doesn't it?
Back in late January 1971 was the worst marine mammal stranding in the history of Southern California with more than 200 dolphins stranded up on San Clemente Island less than about two weeks before the February 9th quake at San Fernando.
And that was on the day of the eclipse of the moon also.
So we had the tidal effects and we had the marine mammals.
And then I went back through the old LA Times and sure enough, the missing animals rose abruptly just before that quake and could have been predicted had I been looking at it in those days.
And then there was an article on February 10th, the day after the quake, where they were citing the Griffith Park Observatory astronomer, Dr. Kaufman.
And he said, I think yesterday's earthquake had something to do with yesterday's eclipse of the moon.
Not that it caused the quake, but through extra gravitational stress triggered a weak place in the fall.
In the middle of our forehead, and that's where a number 14 people, 13 women, one man, have reported to me they get these terrible earth, these headaches.
They identify them as earthquake headaches in the middle of their forehead, and they last for about three days before the quake, and then moments before the earthquake.
Maybe within 30 minutes, the pressure and pain disappear, and they know the quake is imminent.
Yes, and I've had, Oh, heck, six or eight of them communicated with me regularly when I was down in San Jose.
I'm a little more remote now, still a phone number away, and my website has had 122 million hits on it since the very first time I opened it back in 1997 on the day I was first on your show.
Back in 1984, I predicted we were going to have a six-magnitude quake or better in Santa Clara County because of the record rainfall that we had in 1983.
The record we broke in San Jose was 1889.
Well, on April 24th of 1890, we had a six and a half magnitude quake.
And then we had, of course, the 1906 quake, and then another six in 1911, and we didn't have another six in the Bay Area until 1984, again on April 24th, following the new record rainfall year.
Now we know what's been happening down your way with your blooming desert.
Well, see, now, I was about to ask you about this, Jim.
In Las Vegas, we have TV station We Watch, the CBS affiliate in there, and they had some news the other day about the fact that this winter, Jim, we've had more rain than in all the record-keeping ever done by mankind for this area of the United States.
Now, that worries me, because if there is a connection to earthquakes, then what does all this rain we've had mean?
One thing, a foot of water adds a load of about one million tons for every square mile.
So you can look at how much of the rain has evaporated, how much of it has run off, and how much of it has accumulated in the water table and in the reservoirs and lakes.
And that adds a load to the crust.
When they first built Hoover Dam, Boulder Dam in those days, there were a series of earthquakes after a couple of years of filling the reservoir.
And the engineer down there said he thought the earthquakes, which were most unusual, related to the filling of the reservoir.
And he was poo-pooed.
He went to his deathbed not knowing how right he was.
Now, reservoir-induced seismicity is very common.
It's accepted when you build a new reservoir, you have to design the dam to withstand the quake that the dam and reservoir might create.
Now, in 1978, I ran into an article about earthquake phenomenon, and four scientists from USC had done a study of rainfall in Southern California, and they found an interesting fact that from 1900 to 1972, there had been, I believe, 22 quakes of six magnitude.
I tell people, if you don't know your history, your history.
So it's stupid to ignore what's already happened.
And I get people to keep telling me, oh, come on, you're not using enough information.
What about the last thousand years?
And I say, well, I'm not worried so much about the last, you know, the previous thousand, but I can learn from the last few decades and see what happens.
So we're going to have, I think there's going to be a six-plus in southern Nevada or southern California by this summer.
Well, I brought with me several of my predictions of a quake in Japan the previous September and the San Simeon quake, which occurred just hours before the highest possible tides in California.
I mean, I'd been warning about December of 2003 all year long.
And so then my window opened on the 21st, and the San Simeon quake out on the 22nd, and on the 26th was the Bamaran quake with some 40,000 people killed.
And that was the time of the maximum possible tides, and the highest tides we've experienced since 1986.
So such the tides are certainly predictable.
And if we find the earthquakes are occurring around the same time, then earthquakes are predictable.
Look, whether you're working with animals, and that seems a valid way to work to me, Jim.
Are you working with the tides and the moon and all the rest of it?
I mean, can you call how closely can you call an earthquake?
And when is it, how far are we from the point where a county or a state is going to issue some sort of really official step out on a limb as a result of some of this research and make up predictions?
And every year they were saying we're 10 years away, we're a decade away.
And I spoke before a scientific body, and I had a clipping in my hand from the Russians saying they thought they were five years away.
And I spread my hands out on the desk, and I leaned over and told all these experts, gentlemen, we have an earthquake prediction gap.
And not one of them smiled.
Oh, boy.
So some people take themselves too seriously.
But what I do is say, keep an open mind.
If we don't keep an open mind, ears, and eyes, we're not really being scientific.
And it always troubled me.
I was trained for 10 years in college and university.
I taught the universities on the east and west coast and was always kind of middle of the road, mainstream scientist.
And I didn't think you could predict earthquakes until 1974 when I looked into six earthquakes that had greeted me as county geologist for Santa Clara County in late 1973.
And all six of those quakes occurred at the time of the newer full moon.
And I thought, well, this is a preferred time.
This is kind of a seismic window, time of high potential for quakes.
And I made a prediction on January 8th that we'd have a four to five magnitude quake in the county.
And it happened two days later.
And I thought, boy, this is simple.
What's the tough about predicting earthquakes?
And I kept it quiet for a couple years.
When I was asked to speak to the alumni scholarship award-winning ceremony at San Jose State University, they said they couldn't interest the media that I have anything interesting and simulating and controversial with terms.
And I said, well, I have something along that line.
It's not ready for publication, but okay, I'll do it.
And I didn't realize how effective they were.
There were four television cameras and ten reporters with pencils poised to hear me speak and make a prediction which didn't happen.
So I said, call me back in October, and I got a double header on the first day of my window in October on the day of an eclipse of the moon.
The USGS said, he's merely matching two random series of events.
It's a little better than reading tea leaves.
And they haven't changed their opinion ever since.
So there are so many things that are happening.
The windows, the seismic windows from the tides tell me approximately when.
I have an eight-day window associated with high tides.
And so we look at what happens to the water tables.
We look at what happens to radon gas releases, tilt of the ground, magnetic field changes.
I have a couple of magnetic stress indicators, north, south, and east-west, and they've often shown anomalous movements.
They had, in Alaska, 1964, on the island of Kodiak, they had instrumented with very delicate magnetometers so they could detect what was happening in the ionosphere.
And on a normal day, you would see five or ten gamma changes.
On this day, on the Good Friday, 1964, in the afternoon, they saw a change of 100 gammas, and they thought their instrument was defective.
And that afternoon is when Kodiak had a tsunami of about 30 feet, and they had the 8 to 9.2 quake.
Now, that quake was on the day of the full moon at the time of the lowest tides for the day.
The next nine-magnitude quake was over in Sumatra on Boxing Day, 26th of December, on the day of the full moon.
Both of those nine-magnitude quakes and the huge destructive tsunamis were on the day of a full moon.
All of this seems very convincing, but if you compile it against earthquakes that have occurred when we don't have full moons or the tides aren't as you've suggested, then what do we come up with?
It's just a matter of, let's see, I just now went back through the earthquakes of at least three magnitude in the Puget Sound area since the year 2000.
The next day we had the five-magnitude quake over here in Bolinas on the San Andreas Fault.
Well, that was a pretty good jolt.
And then in the year 2000, in September 3rd, we had a 5.2 quake that did $50 million damage in the wine country at Napa.
It was only centered about three miles from our house.
It shook us really violently, but we didn't have any damage here.
The energy mainly propagated southward, and we're to the west of the epicenter.
But I hit both of those quakes right on the money.
I had a TV crew from Great Britain come here, and they said, well, will you give us a specific prediction for our British audience?
And I said, well, based on all of these missing animals in the San Jose paper, the fact that I have three days left at my window here, I'm predicting we have at least a 4.5 in the Bay Area within the next three days.
And they said, Fine, thank you.
They folded up their cameras and they went down to San Francisco to spend the night before they headed for Japan to continue their program.
That night, a 5.5 shook the heck out of them to San Francisco.
So they called me to congratulate me.
This happens fairly frequently.
And we just had a talk you were mentioning about animals for sure.
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Seismically, things are very live right now, and so our guest is Jim Birkland, and he is famous, or is it infamous, for predicting earthquakes that come true.
Yes, I have the Daily Records now since 1979 for a couple of newspapers.
And so I can, if a quake comes up, I can demonstrate how the animals showed it.
Before the World Series quake, which I named in the newspaper four days before it happened, instead of having four or five missing cat ads, we had 27, the all-time record at that point.
And we had 58 missing dog ads instead of the normal 15 or 20.
Well, you're doing that for that area, but I mean, if this is an effective method of forecasting earthquakes, then really it ought to be done just about everywhere, shouldn't it?
But I did predict a quake up in Seattle, the 5.7 quake on the southwest edge of Puget Sound the day before it happened because there were an extraordinary number of missing animals in the Seattle Times.
Back in 1990, I was invited to speak to the Foundation for the Study of Cycles in Irvine, California on the 25th of February 1990.
And that morning, I pulled out the L.A. Times before my talk and saw 58 missing dogs, and the normal was about 20.
So towards the end of my talk, I said, I want to save time for questions, but I also want to alert you to my concerns here based on this.
And I unfolded this long line of missing pets.
And I said, based on this and the fact that my window is still open for three days, I'm predicting a five-magnitude quake or greater for the Los Angeles area within three days.
A fellow in the back of the audience got up and went out the door, and I never saw him again.
Ten days later, I got a letter from New York saying, congratulations on another hit.
I didn't want to share in it.
I checked out a hotel and took the first plane back to New York.
Well, I just, all of my newsletter, and I've been sending out a newsletter monthly since I was on suspension for predicting the World Series quake, and they told me I could only come back to work if I didn't predict anymore on county time.
When I went to that meeting, as I mentioned, Dr. Vladimir Kalas Borak, and listened, and I got up and introduced myself and said, the title of this meeting is, Have We Turned the Corner on Earthquake Prediction?
Ladies and gentlemen, I didn't have to turn the corner because I've been on a straightaway for the last 30 years.
Nobody reacted.
And I said, the two quakes that Dr. Borak says he predicted and helped to establish this new prediction, I predicted both of those in my newsletter.
And I have copies with me of the last 8th magnitude over in Japan and the 6.5 in San Simeon.
Not one person approached me.
And as I tried to hand a few out to people, they avoided me like I had the plague.
Well, by the way, a lot of this may change because at Long Last, there is a book being written about what I've been doing, and it's by author Cal Ori, who's written a lot about animals and has written short stories and items about animals and quakes, and often included me in Cat's World, Dog's World, Women's World.
But this is a full-fledged book, and it's going to come out in December, and we will be distributing it at a table at the American Geophysical Union.
Well, surely when you look at the North Pole and you look at the South Pole and what's going on at both those places, particularly up at the North Pole, and look at pictures separated by 40 or 50 years, it's really freaky.
I mean, you know, 40% of the ice or whatever gone on the way to becoming a new sea that will be navigated by our Navy.
Under the category, Jim, of how many died, when we have these earthquakes around the world and these tsunamis, the number of victims, the number of people that die, seems really hard to track.
I mean, they always start off with very few, and it's always a minimized story.
And then by the time it's done, you're up to 100,000 people or something.
How frequently are we being lied to, to you expose, about how many people are killed in these events?
The fire did most of the damage, and people just moved out ahead of the fire.
You didn't expect them to wait around.
Well, I did if they were crushed under the buildings.
The temperatures of that fire hit 2,500 degrees because cast iron melted.
Radiators and kegs of nails retained the shape of the keg, and the wood was all gone, the nails fused together.
It takes 2,500 degrees.
I checked with the crematory, and they only used 1,800 degrees.
So there was very little to clean up.
So the Army, the early estimates by the Telegraph Company and General Funston were about 3,000 killed.
And then General Greeley came quickly to take over, and the Secretary of Commerce and Labor Metcalf was a direct emissary from Teddy Roosevelt.
And they all had their act together.
It's just like it recorded.
There has been much exaggeration of the deaths.
The true total is, and pick a number from around 250 to 450.
And people didn't want to deal with it because the Army had everything in control, and they claimed there hadn't been anybody shot for looting except one accidental one.
Lies, lies, lies.
And so I ran into an article in Great Disasters of the World by James Cornell.
And it said that in 1968, this major quake hit Iran, and that at least 6,000 people died.
There were reports that more than 18,000, but the truth will not be known because of the reluctance of the Iranian government to admit to shoddy construction.
I read that and said, that sounds logical.
And then I read a British almanac, 1907, which said, last April 18th, San Francisco was visited by a frightful earthquake, caused more than 60 million pounds damage, $5 a pound in those days, 300 million, not too far off, the real damage.
But more lamentable was the loss of several thousand lives.
Oh, my hackles rose on seeing that.
What do these British mean telling us lost several thousand when I know for a fact it was only a few hundred?
And one of the most incredible things is a leading geologist whom I've met and did a lot of work on the San Andreas Fault.
I didn't know he had worked 10 years in Sumatra.
He was spending his own money distributing 5,000 posters and talking to churches and schools and trying to acquaint people to the threat of a big quake and tsunami.
And when you, you know, if somebody had a clue for AIDS or something, you have to come out with it.
And I just don't believe in censorship.
I was very fortunate as county geologists.
There was only one time before the World Series earthquake where I was censored, and I was told to not talk about the threat of mudslides following the big forest fire we had in 1985.
And I talked to the sheriffs and the Forest Service and the various homeowners.
And finally, I got the word from the boss.
Jim, some of the real estate people are concerned it might affect property values.
So we don't want you to talk about the potential for mud flows.
Well, we had extremely heavy rainfall, and everything that I said happened.
See, it just doesn't seem as though 2,000 people or 3,000 people could be missing for that period of time without somehow somebody realizing that that's how they died and they're getting added to the death toll.
Do you think it could happen again in another 10 years?
No. 50 years, not likely.
100 years, maybe.
Well, it's a long time away, and we have to look to the present and to the living.
We have to rebuild.
We have to encourage reinvestment.
The leading military, social, economic center of the West Coast, you've got 450,000 people lived in San Francisco, only 250,000 in Los Angeles at the time.
So I would have agreed to a time capsule.
You know, in 20 years, 30 years, let the truth come out so we can prepare for the next one.
What's the greater good to keep it quiet for a while so that we can...
The investors back east said, no more.
They had the big quake in 1892 and 1865 and 1868.
Right on down, so good money after bad.
And people could accept fires because they had the big one in Chicago and Baltimore.
And West Brown City can have a fire.
So they focused on the fire and absolutely minimized the deaths.
And that happens many, many other times in many other places.
And I've started, you normally see, you can graph it.
It starts low, as you were saying, and then it steadily increases day after day, and then finally it gets sort of asymptotic.
It kind of flattens out.
Well, in the case of San Francisco, it started very high, and then it ended up very low.
It made a big L. And totally unrealistic.
It hasn't had, you know, you don't see patterns like that.
And I worked, the first work I had with the USGS was in paleomagnetic studies of the western lava flows.
And back in the late 50s, they still thought they could explain the variations by changes, by polar wandering, that the magnetic field would wander, and they didn't accept plate tectonics.
And on the very day of the 6.2 Morgan Hill quake, there was an X13.
And on the day of the 7.4 at Eureka in 1980, there was an X9.
So when I saw the list of the actual biggest solar flares and compared them with the known earthquake times, there was a huge correlation.
So I have to say, it doesn't matter if I understand the mechanism.
If I see the timing correlation, I'm going to say it looks like there's a pattern.
And I don't know what goes on when I turn on my television.
Just long as it's get a picture and a sound, I'm happy.
So just as long as I see a correlation and I can make correlations into the future, make projections, and if I can be successful, then I accept that there's something going on.
I was wondering if Mr. Berkel is aware of the alignment of the planets that is supposed to happen on 5.5 this year, on May the 5th.
I read a book by that title of 5.5-2005, probably seven, eight years ago.
And it was predicting because of the gravitational fields and the way that they affect the Earth, that there could be a massive event happening on May the 5th.
Sure, people have been talking about that forever.
And some people would say the other planets have so little gravitational effect that line up any way they want, it doesn't compare much to, for example, the effect of the moon.
I would have kept an open mind on it, but when you have all the other planets, the tide-raising force varies with the cube of the distance, and it varies with the mass and the cube of the distance.
And so these planets are out so far that really planets and stars have no effect on our crust.
Now, if there's something magical, astrological, then it ought to work.
I mean, if that worked, we would see it.
I have yet to have an astrological prediction come true, but I've had a number of postdictions.
People say, oh, yeah, we could have predicted that because Uranus is twine Jupiter or something.
But if you combine all of the gravitational forces from the rest of the planets, there'd be less than one thousandth the effect that the moon has.
So unless we're looking for a trigger on a trigger, it's just not there.
And then in 1990, I was written up in the Wall Street Journal.
And, of course, they went to USGS for comments, and one of the geologists said, we've known this fellow for his entire career, and he's been nothing but a clown.
Now, I'm listed in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in Science and Technology and a bunch of other who's who's.
And I'm a fellow in the Geological Society of America and a member of the Association of Engineering Geologists and Earthquake Engineering Research Institute and on and on and on.
And so I'm not a clown at all.
But that was a little too much.
Well, I was still a county geologist and they're demeaning me like that.
So I went to Pete McCloskey, an attorney, and he wrote them a letter.
And it's really unfortunate because for the first five years, knowing that I'm not a seismologist nor a geophysicist, I went hand in hand to those professions in a box full of information and said, would you look at this?
And while I was back east on the Bill Cosby show, they slipped a paper underneath my hotel and it said that the quake had happened.
They actually had a 4.5.
And that was not big enough.
But they thought maybe that's a foreshock.
And so there was great interest in the six-magnitude quake finally coming.
But now I understand, with all the instrumentation that's still there, there were almost no clues that anything was up last September, except what was up was the full moon.
And I was a member for three years, a four-year program.
And if your pet or wild animal or farm animal did something really weird, you would assign it a three or a four, and you would call in immediately on the hotline given to you.
If it was just a zero, one, or two, you'd just sort of fill it in and turn in the monthly report.
Well, on September 7th, 1980, I saw three things that really made me react.
One, we had the most missing cats of the entire year, only 14 ads, but that was still most of the year.
We had the new moon, and the previous new moon had resulted in 25,000 deaths in Algeria, and the previous full moon had resulted in 300 deaths in southern Mexico.
So we're up to the next syzygy, the new moon on the 7th.
And then the third factor, I called Olga Kolbeck over at the geyser, Calistoga geyser, the only geyser in California.
Yes.
And I'd known that the geyser was slowing down its eruption cycles prior to Northern California quakes.
So on that noontime, I called her from my office and said, Olga, these things are happening with the cats and the tides.
What's happening with your geyser?
Jim, we're about to phone you.
This morning, it didn't erupt for three hours and 12 minutes instead of the normal 40 minutes.
That was the all-time record.
It still stands.
And I said, oh, it looks like a big one in Northern California.
I'm going to call USGS and predict it.
She says, if you don't, I'm going to.
So I immediately called the hotline.
He said, based on these three separate factors, I'm calling for a 6.5 or better in Northern California within a week.
And so at the end of the year, in the previous two years, I'd gotten a transcript of my hotline calls.
In 1981, I didn't get my 1980 calls.
Along about July, I said, did you send those out?
Oh, you should have had them long ago.
I'll look into it.
Nothing happened.
So in August, I called again.
Oh, you're meant to check on that.
Then I got nine of my ten calls, and the nine calls were just saying the dogs howled all night or some fellas told her their cat were doing strange things.
I didn't make any predictions except that one time.
The following may be way outside Jim Birkeland's field, or maybe there's a little bit of scissory here.
I refer, of course, to the Princeton experiments going on right now with regard to consciousness.
Now, as we know, they have these eggs planted around the world.
I referred to them early on in the show.
These eggs are nothing more than computers that are spitting out random numbers, and that's what they ought to be.
Random.
But all of a sudden, before large events on Earth like 9-11, like the Sumatra disaster, and we could go on and on and on back through history, as long as this experiment has been going on at Princeton, these graphs have started to just climb right off the chart prior to these events happening.
Now, Jim, I wonder if you've heard of this at all, number one, and number two, whether you think it might have some relationship to what you're talking about with animals and with all these other somewhat esoteric things that point toward a big event like an earthquake.
Listen, that's another little piece of scissorgy that may be real.
Let's go back to the phone.
So many people waiting to talk to you.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
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First art, I'm sorry to say, or I'd like to say that I'd like the old days, back in the days when you were doing it on a more regular basis, because feeling is a little different.
Another comment regarding that is that I especially like how you maintain the professionalism, especially with guests, that you're not quite sure about for whatever reason.
I'm not going to say that about tonight's guest, Jim, at least not until I hear what you have to say about the two things I'd like you to comment on.
And so it allows the P wave to speed up a little bit, going through the middle of the liquid core, because there's a solid core inside.
Meanwhile, the S wave can't make it there at all because they can't go through a liquid.
So they're in that solid core reacting to the liquid core and mantle, apparently, they're spinning in different directions, and that's where we get our magnetic field.
And if you didn't have a liquid core at all, I guess there wouldn't be a magnetic field.
If you used to notice that swimming in the creek, it would click a couple rocks together, and you could hear it underwater faster than you would hear it in the air.
When you swift, when the magnetic needle north-seeking suddenly becomes south-seeking, it takes several thousand years for this transition to occur based on studies that we did in the volcanic rocks.
We have the rock example, and there are very few zones that show transitions.
But where they do, the ages show it takes several thousand years, like three or four, which means when it goes through a null point, we have no protective ionosphere.
It means all the cosmic radiation comes booming through, and there's bound to be a lot of genetic changes.
I watched a documentary by the U.S. Geological Survey, and they said that the Mississippi River, and the reason why Louisiana is below sea level, was the fact that there was a magnitude 0.12 or 15 earthquake that shifted that part of the United States.
I'm glad to speak to you guys this morning, Jim and Art.
Or Art and Jim.
Yes.
One thing is I'd like to be sympathetic to Jim and tell him that his job has to be like looking outside of a soundproof window, and you're trying to yell at the person that there's a tidal wave coming, and they're only looking at your gestures of jumping up and down and not hearing what you're trying to say.
And I hope that you do be able to sleep at night because you can't save the world.
And the reason why I think that it's such a problem for you is that it's life versus economics.
If you try to get to a large TV station and tell people what's going to happen, what would you do?
And here's a question within itself.
What would you do if you could get on Channel 10 at 5 o'clock and warn everyone?
Are we saying evacuate a whole city?
What's the cost of that?
Where are we going to put them?
Or are you telling them to prepare?
And isn't it awful like knowing that that's like somebody from across the field shooting a bullet and in three days to four days it may hit you?
And my question is, I believe it must have been your guest I saw on a television special.
It was, I believe, studying a volcano actually in volcano somewhere in Italy.
Anyway, there were some seismologists and volcanologists who were commenting that studying a volcano using satellites and other remote electronics equipment is good enough, but to actually climb in a volcano and study it is really just foolish and just being a bare-chested, silly, silly macho type person.
So I'm wondering specifically, how much importance do you suggest in studying volcanoes actually in the volcano rather than just using remote electronics?
Actually smelling the smoke, hearing the faint rumblings, timing them apart in person.
Well, you know, I've had a number of people that are going to write my life story or they're going to set up a new program and they all seem to drop out once they talk to high science.
High science just doesn't have any time for me.
And it's we'll see what happens after the book is released here in December.
Twelve predictions I knew about and none have hit.
And so I think it was pretty frustrating for them.
And obviously I have hit so many to a television crew.
I was on front line and made predictions for a local quake and a major quake around the world and hit both of them on the on the camera.
And those were carried.
And we shall see now that.
Oh, by the way, I want to try again.
People want to send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, but I want them to put a couple of dollars in there to make it worth more while I will send them a sample copy of my newsletter.
All right, as promised, hopefully you've gathered together writing implements and such, and to get a free copy, well, not free, a couple bucks, you know, for shipping and licking and whatever.
A couple of bucks for Jim's newsletter, and you can decide for yourself.
And we promised you that address, so you could now write it down that you're armed and ready.
It may well be that there is nothing in this category right now, but it always bears asking, Jim, do you see any you know, people obviously are concerned about the bigger earthquakes.
Well, everyone's concerned about the northwest and that Cascadia trench where the nine-plus magnitude quake hit on January 26th of 1700.
Interesting how they came up with that.
They knew the Indian legends about the big wave that came in and the villages that were destroyed.
Well, geologists have mapped ups and downs of the seacoast there and forests that were buried and salt waves that come in and killed, kind of poisoned the soils.
But then in Japan, where they had written records for that time of 1700, there was this mysterious tsunami that came in and killed several hundred Japanese.
And so they had the records, and we had the other kind of records.
Approximately, you know, 300 years ago, we knew that that was true, and so their date.
They gave it three days to travel across the Pacific.
And so whenever the tsunami hit them, they subtracted three days, and it ends up as June 26th.
And I've looked at the old tides there, and then that was at a time in between two huge tides.
It was in a semi-quiet period between two maximum tides, Parigian spring tides.
And I haven't felt even nothing here in the Gilo area.
However, there are an awful lot of USGS vans and trucks and quite a few personnel that come down in the Gilo area that I just assume they're over in the Volcano National Park up in Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa.
My question being, I haven't felt anything in almost a year here, and I'm wondering, what's your take on the predictions and the possibilities of something here on the Big Island?
Well, I'm really haven't felt one of the fours they've had there in the last few weeks.
You know, Hawaii, the Big Island is the shakiest island in Hawaii.
And of all of the states, if you take the area involved, Hawaii is the number one shaky state more than California or Alaska because of its area.
The chances of feeling a quake in Hawaii are much greater than any place in California or Alaska.
Just in general.
But yes, as to a really big one, they're mostly concerned about what might happen over on the eastern rift zone and a big landslide, a submarine landslide might cause a local tsunami.
And, of course, we're going to be over there in June, so maybe you can set up something for us.
Well, I think I once asked you, and it was kind of an interesting answer, as I recall, if you could be at the site of a very large earthquake, would you do it?
I mean, I'm 60 miles south of Lake Erie, so I don't know about...
You know, that was the one thing.
And then the other thing is, I heard your other fireworks buddy call art.
I'm a pyrotechnician, and basically we did a build a 36-inch diameter shell and fired it at a big competition up here in our area.
And the gas company actually brought a seismologist in because about two miles away, I guess they had an underground line running.
And they were actually worried that this thing coming out of the mortar would affect two miles away their gas line.
Would the waves would there be that easily, Jim, the transmission of the force of, you know, it was about a 970-pound shell that we popped about 2,000 feet in the air.
And I can understand why they might be a little concerned, especially if their gas line was in weak materials and might have a little liquefaction and fissures.
It doesn't hurt to instrument when you're having a blast like that.
I wanted to salute your credibility rather than take any away from it.
Okay, and I'll give a cross-disciplinary example.
You and I go back about the same time in birth, and this is Rich from Lawrence, Kansas.
But back when the Earth was cooling, I worked as a grad student and actually lived there as part of my pay at Northwestern University Dearborn Observatory.
But anyway, this was before J. Allen Hynek was even there.
And Emmanuel Velikovsky's book came out, Worlds in Collision.
And the chairman at the time not only panned it, but that's all they could talk about.
We thought the gentleman spoke too much.
And then they wrote letters to the publisher, who I think was one of Bennett Cerf's subsidiaries, and forced them to stop publishing it with the threat that they wouldn't adopt textbooks.
And so, you know, Velikovsky later turned out to be right.
And of course, another publisher did take it up.
I think it was Holt or somebody like that.
But also, I wanted to also your credibility again.
My dad barely missed being killed in the great Galveston tidal wave.
And I won't go into the story by why he wasn't, except I wouldn't be here otherwise.
And the estimate then was 30,000 killed in one day.
It's in the newspapers.
We have photos of the newspapers and all.
And yet now you go and read about it more and more by the more recent experts, and they've got it down to 6,000.
And I just wondered if you ever studied that phenomenon at all.
Well, we were talking about the rewriting of history of calamities and mass deaths and the numbers involved and how they shift and change so strangely, right, Jim?
Yes, and there was another big hurricane in the Keys where they had some kind of unemployed people were put to work down there and they didn't really take care of them.
And there were many, many killed.
A big hurricane there that they knew was coming but didn't pay that much attention to it.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because that was one of the first things that turned me around back in 1975.
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And if NASA plans to build and President Bush wants to go to Mars and the Moon, they better start listening to guys like you because we're going to invest a lot of money on there.
I didn't know it either when I first got into earthquake predictions.
I just sort of surmised that since the ocean water was going up and down, probably the solid earth was going up and down too, and that could trigger quakes.
I've had multiple injuries, and that's one of the reasons.
Plus, I've lived on the West Coast, and I've felt earthquakes, and I've been over in Europe, and I know the feeling in the big cities with the underground and like the trains and that that are underground.
And when they tunnel underground like that, and they're putting an underground tunnel, does that have any effect elsewhere on the earth?
Like if there's tunneling going on, would that be in the county building?
We're on the seventh floor, and all the women especially began to complain they were feeling earthquakes.
Well, it turns out they were building the electric rail and the jackhammers out in the street were vibrating up the columns of the building a few, you know, 50 yards away and vibrating the building.
And so after they finished the jackhammers, the little microquakes ended.