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March 13, 2005 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jim Berkland - Seismic Update

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unidentified		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, or you may be in all the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every single one of you covered like a blanket by this very unusual program called Coast Coast A.M. I'm Mike Bell.
		It is my distinct pleasure and honor to be having you through the weekend right off the bat before I even get to any world news.
		I want to get this on the air just in case.
		This is one of those just-in-case things.
		Kathy, wherever Kathy is out there, I don't think it's Woodbridge Kathy, but you never know, says, hey, Art, at Princeton, the eggs are going bonkers tonight.
		If you get a chance, check them out.
		So I did go up there to the Princeton site and did kind of check it out.
		And I don't have a good reference.
		However, there is one page on the Princeton site where you can actually monitor the individual eggs and their activity.
		And it did seem to be really cooking along.
		And some of the numbers for this date seemed like they were through the roof.
		So maybe I've got that all wrong.
		Some of the rest of you can take a look and let me know what you think about the Princeton eggs tonight.
		But just in case, the little hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.
		And this would seem to confirm that.
		So if something is about to happen, then maybe you heard it here first.
		I don't know.
		Maybe nothing, huh?
		I'm just telling you that they did seem extremely active.
		Now, what's going on in the world otherwise?
		Well, not much good.
		The man who fatally shot seven people during a quiet church service, you know, just the fact that in this day and age, we're getting to the point where I think we're getting used to hearing things like this.
		The guy who shot seven people at a quiet church service before finally turning the gun on himself was apparently on the verge of losing his job.
		As well, he was upset over a sermon he heard a couple of weeks ago.
		It's just that I think we're getting used to hearing these kind of headlines, sorts of headlines, and we're getting hardened, a little cynical.
		The hostage who helped end the 26-hour manhunt for the man accused of killing a judge and three others apparently had long talks with her captor during the 13 hours she was held in her own apartment.
		Police say she conducted herself very well.
		I wonder if she actually talked the hostage-taker out of what he was doing.
		If so, really good job.
		Israel's cabinet on Sunday affirms it is going to dismantle 24 illegal West Bank settlement outposts, but did not say whether they'd be removed and evaded any sort of decision at all on the rest of the 81 that are out there.
		The Walt Disney Corporation, this is interesting, said Sunday, its president, Robert Iger, will succeed Michael Eisner as chief executive and that Eisner will leave his post a year earlier than previously announced.
		And this one should certainly vibrate a little bit for you.
		China's national legislature on Monday overwhelmingly approved a law.
		This is a law authorizing a military attack to stop Taiwan from pursuing formal independence.
		That's the day after the President in Taiwan told the 2.5 million member People's Liberation Army, that would be of China rather, to be prepared for war.
		The measure was approved by a vote of a lot of dissent here.
		2,896 to zero.
		With two abstentions.
		Two abstentions, huh?
		On the last day of the Figurehead National People's Congress annual session.
		I love that vote.
		That's when you can tell you're in the presence of real freedom.
		2,896 to go to war, zero opposing, two abstentions, and they're now hanging from flagpoles.
unidentified		I don't know about the last of that, but probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is very good reason tonight, folks, to have Jim Birkland on the program.
		The amount of news right now about seismic activity in volcanoes is absolutely overwhelming.
		Mount St. Helens may not be the only Northwest volcano spitting lava these days.
		A scientific SWAT team from Seattle is sailing this afternoon, this was an article on, I think, the 5th, for a spot off the Vancouver Island area where they suspect an underwater eruption is underway now.
		We really don't know what to expect, said Edward Baker, an oceanographer at the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
		If we're lucky, we might get pictures of brand new lava on the seafloor.
		Now, that would be, I guess, scientific luck, but I don't know if it'd be luck for the people of the Northwest.
		Their observations will, of course, help improve understanding of the Wandafuca Plade, a tectonic time bomb capable of producing earthquakes and tsunamis on par with the disaster that struck the Indian Ocean in December.
		baker said it's been going on long enough now that we're pretty sure lava is moving.
		We're about to go to open lines.
		I've got a little more just ahead, but open lines for the rest of this hour.
unidentified		and then of course jim burkeland uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, a few more items.
		Again, really in the same category.
		This is a really good night for Jim Birkeland.
		As you know, there was a fireball that moved very slowly over the northwest just before 8 o'clock last night, and there was also a concurrent earthquake.
		It was perhaps just before, maybe 10 minutes before, about 3.3 parts of downtown Seattle also experienced a brief power outage, all at about the same time.
		And from Woodley Streeber's unknown country, there's also a lot of news about all of this.
		An earthquake swarm, of course, off the coast of Oregon that I already mentioned.
		And just all kinds of activity going on all over the world.
		Here's a story about a supervolcano.
		There are enough supervolcanoes on Earth to wipe out much of the planet, and they may wake up much sooner than we thought, says the story.
		Supervolcanoes explode with the force that is thousands of times that of a normal volcanic eruption.
		Earthquake experts once thought that it would perhaps take hundreds of thousands of years for the reservoirs of molten rock called magma lying beneath the supervolcano, any supervolcano, to build up enough pressure to cause an eruption.
		But a few studies show that the time between eruptions can actually be only tens of thousands of years, meaning that a lot of them may be long overdue.
		And here's a story about a double volcanic eruption in eastern Russia.
		Acquired from orbit 800 kilometers away, the Envisat image shows two volcanoes erupting simultaneously on Russia's snowy Kamchetka Peninsula this week.
		Located in the Russian Far East, the peninsula is a landscape covered with volcanoes, part of the Pacific Ring of Fire.
		And these two volcanoes apparently are going off at exactly the same time.
		So all kinds of earthquake-type news going on.
		I definitely want to get this in.
		This is insane, in my opinion.
		The fur is going to fly when cat lovers hear about Mark Smith's idea.
		Perhaps you've already heard about it.
		This Wisconsin hunter and firefighter wants stray cats classified as an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody with a small game license.
		Smith welcomes wild birds onto his property, but if he sees a cat, he thinks the invasive, that's the word, invasive animals should be considered fair game.
		48-year-old firefighter from La Crosse, Wisconsin has proposed that hunters in Wisconsin make free-roaming domestic cats an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody at will with a small game license.
		What a bad idea.
		Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
		I mean, a pet would get loose, perhaps, and wander into his area, and away they go.
		I would think making it open season on either dogs or cats, first of all, how would you know if they're wild or not?
		You wouldn't.
		And even if they are, certainly I would think you would not want to shoot them.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Phil calling from Virginia, one of your truck driving friends here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Yeah, thank you.
		Come off the scale.
		Last night we had Willie on talking about biodiesel.
		Can you go on a little bit more detail of that?
		You said you have a diesel pusher motorhome, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		You can run it on straight vegetable oil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently so.
		Or something grown by a farmer or, you know, all kinds of things.
		So I'd like to give it a try, actually.
		We're going to find a place and we're going to give it a shot.
unidentified		Well, it's a little bit different than biodiesel.
unidentified		This is just stuff that you dump right in there off the shelf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody actually called me last night and said he ran out of fuel and went in, got some oil, dumped it into the tank, and it worked.
unidentified		I have an old Mercedes diesel that I've run on vegetable oil all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah, well, that's also what Willie does, not on vegetable oil, but on biodiesel.
		The whole concept is fascinating, and if it really can be done, then come on, let's think about it a little bit.
		It would help the American farmer, right, tremendously.
		It would help all of us because we need not chase after all this very expensive, both in terms of money and lives, foreign oil.
		And we can begin doing it right now.
		I mean, right now.
		If you're a trucker, there's not a thing in the world.
		If there is any drawback to some of these diesel mixtures, it's that in cold weather, or if you let it sit for a very long time, it might congeal in some way.
		But in the case of a truck driver, you know, where that truck is constantly in use, no problem.
		Fill her up.
		Wester of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		You know, I was kind of interesting What you said about the small game license and cat hunting.
		I wonder if that license would include inner-city use.
		You could fire your gun in the city, but only if you're aiming at a cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
unidentified		And then where would it stop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you're allowed to fire a gun inside the city limits under any conditions.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sure if he got the right politician, maybe he'd make the exception.
		But then you have to wonder where it would stop.
		Could you shoot at the dog that's chasing your cat?
		And how about the guy that beats his dog with the 2x4?
		I mean, pretty soon we could actually rationalize murder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, in my opinion, sir, that's what that is, rationalizing murder.
		Setting up such a thing where you could shoot at cats.
		Yes, I used the right word, murder.
		Well, you can't murder an animal.
		Well, I think you can.
		It has been my considered opinion for a very, very long time that cats and dogs and other animals, as well mammals, have souls.
		If we have souls, then I think they have souls.
		If we don't have souls, then I suppose they don't have souls.
		Or maybe they have souls and we don't.
		I don't know.
		Honestly, all fun aside, I think that most attributes that you can give to a human minus the speech part, of course, you will see in animals, if you live with them closely, you will see personality traits that are undeniably human-like.
		Jealousy, anger, joy, curious, being curious, awareness of self.
		I have seen all of these things.
		And so what constitutes a soul?
		Well, some would say self-awareness.
		Some would say the other, some of the other, humor even, some of these other emotions that I talked about.
		These are all the things that come together to make a human.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		I are.
		I'm very glad to be able to talk to you.
		I really enjoy the program you and George have going on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a little different, isn't it?
unidentified		It's very interesting.
		It's most interesting.
		I stay awake till you guys go off at night just to be able to listen to you.
		I got a couple of little things, if you don't mind.
		One was about Willie Nelson with his diesel fuel.
		Yes.
		About probably 15, 20 years ago, it would have to be a little bit longer now because I lived in Kentucky at the time, I had rubber kneel frame hose on my transmission line.
		And I lived in a very rural area in West Virginia, Kentucky area down there right on the line.
		And they had no transmission fluid.
		So I put me a quart of vegetable oil in it.
		I never had a lick of problems out of that car and nothing at all.
		And it worked just as good as a transflu would work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, isn't that something?
unidentified		It's really amazing how stuff like that.
unidentified		I figured, you know, it's some sort of oil, so I figured, what the heck, you know, I had to get it home anyway, and it worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with my luck, I would have done something like that, and I would have gone to the mechanic, and he'd say, well, I'm sorry, Art, you've done $4,000 worth of damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're saying it works just fine, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, it worked perfectly.
		Not it, you couldn't even tell no difference.
		Another little thing I wanted to say, too, is I talked to my brother today, and I've been thinking about this every time I hear a lot of your programs on here.
		Back probably 10 years ago, he had surgery on his back, and he was in hospital, so I'd called him and see how he was doing stuff.
		And when he moved to answer the phone, he broke his stitches loose, and he started bleeding.
		He said, Paul, he says, by the way, my name's Paul.
		I'm from Detroit area.
		And he said, Paul, he says, I'm bleeding really bad.
		Blood squirting all across the room.
		I said, well, man, holler for a nurse real quick.
		And he says, a few seconds later, he says, I see mommy.
		Her mom had passed away in 1980.
		And he said, he seen mommy sitting there and was just, you know, there.
		And I asked him about that again today.
		He said, oh, yeah, I remember that as plain as day.
		And I just wanted to mention that to you, that the spirits are out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But maybe it's just that we have to reach a certain condition to see them in his case.
		He was losing blood rapidly, and who knows what kind of condition he was really in.
		I don't know.
		I guess that takes me, in a way, back to last night's program, doesn't it?
		And the nature of the soul and all these metaphysical things that seem to go on.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		This is Sulayman from Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Okay, I wanted to make mention over the fact that the scenarios that are happening across the United States and the world where the number four is starting to arise, especially in cases with Brian Nichols and the RCMP officers that were killed in Alberta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's special about four?
unidentified		Well, just before the 9-11 incident in 2001, over a six-month period, there were similar situations that occurred in the United States where there were murder situations, situations of accidental death, but the number four kept coming up, and it's a demonic number.
		And it has to do with something that is about to happen.
		And I believe it's going to happen either with North Korea or China, where both countries have nuclear weapons.
		And if we go to war with them, I believe that the possibility of Los Angeles being at ground zero is a reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope not.
unidentified		A lot of my friends are in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and uh...
		i would hate to see them uh...
		be at ground zero i do wonder about taiwan and what would occur if It seems like it's about to occur.
		Are we going to go to the aid of Taiwan if Taiwan pushes on this independence?
		China has just had this really democratic vote.
		Let me read that again.
unidentified		That was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sort of just stumbled across that as I was reading.
		Here we go.
		You ready?
		They just had a vote in China.
		This is a vote to go to war should Taiwan continue to press for independence.
		The vote was 2,896 to 0 with two abstentions.
		You've got to wonder what's happened to the abstentions.
		They're probably not well right now.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Dennis Wolf calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last name, P. I can barely hear you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		This is Dennis Colling from Cluddington, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dennis.
unidentified		And I'm calling a little bit in reference to last night and the sonic booms that were heard in the Midwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I got an email about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, did you get one from me?
unidentified		Probably did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine I did, sir.
		I get, if you knew how many emails.
		Anyway, I get a lot of emails.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is my first time calling.
		I've been listening to you for many, many years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the sonic booms?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they figure out what they were?
unidentified		I have no idea.
		At first, I thought it was thunder, but then I got thinking, no, there's not there to be thundering.
		I live in northeast Ohio, and I'm thinking, what is this thunder?
		And I didn't really put sonic booms to it until the fellow contacted you about having sonic booms in Washington or Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, actually, also across the Midwest, very close to you.
		So a lot of strange things going on lately.
		A very great deal of volcanic activity, earthquake activity, magma moving beneath the ground, and earthquakes sort of a threatening.
		And then we've got these eggs apparently going berserk at Princeton.
		I wonder if that's real.
		I'd like a check on that.
		Any of you have access to the information?
		Fast blast me what you know.
		from the high desert in the middle of the night you're listening to coast to coast a_m_ the the the the the the the the the
unidentified		Well, when them smoking yellow grass fires start to burn...
		The warnings on them beer can't be buried and then the land will move on.
		No set sounds of no return.
		Yeah, it's gonna take about a minute or so.
		Fire blocks so you're gonna have to turn your lights on different players.
		The lights are gonna be neon, saying fly our jets to paradise, and the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene.
		So listen to my brothers, when you hear the nightman's sigh, and you see the waters flying through the great polluted sky.
		There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll, cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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		from coast to coast and worldwide on the internet this is coast to coast a m with art bell good morning everybody open lines right now anything you want to talk about absolutely fair game Coming up at the top of the hour, we're going to find out about all this shaking and magma and tectonic activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim Berkeley's going to be here.
		So if you've been wondering what's going on, the wait will be but a small one.
		All right, let's rock and roll.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning, Rock Hard.
		Hi.
		That bill about the cats.
		It's talking about mostly feral cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, and just out of curiosity, I take it you're in favor of it.
		all right maybe you know how do you tell the difference between and you know actually and there is a Wait till I ask the question.
		At a distance, how do you know it's a feral cat?
unidentified		Well, you're not supposed to shoot anything with a collar on it that's in the bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but a lot of house pets don't necessarily have collars.
unidentified		What are you doing shooting near a house?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		You shouldn't be shooting anywhere near a house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should.
		I didn't say anything about a house, sir.
		I just said a lot of cats don't have collars, even ones that are out wandering around.
		They could still be house pets.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I understand.
unidentified		I do understand that, and I feel bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, if you understand that, then how could you possibly be in favor of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could be shooting people's pets.
unidentified		I'll tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about feral dogs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You shoot them, you're saying?
unidentified		Yeah, I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd shoot feral dogs, and you'd shoot feral cats.
unidentified		Yes, I would.
unidentified		And I can tell you why on the cats, especially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why any more of the cats than the dogs?
unidentified		Well, the more of the cats is because we've done our own DNR has done studies about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your DNR, what's that?
unidentified		That's our Department of Natural Resources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wisconsin.
		All right.
		I see.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's where the bill is, too, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, your little house cat, you've got to look at it.
unidentified		It's cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Whether it's your little house cat or a big lion, they're pretty much the most successful predator on the planet.
		And they kill more small games than any other natural predator out there combined.
		That's really what's at the heart of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But really, at the heart of the heart of it, is that you couldn't know if you were shooting a house cat or a house cat that got out or a feral cat.
		You can't tell me you can tell the difference at a distance.
		You just can't.
unidentified		Again, it's up to the owner of the cat to make sure it has a collar on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose then you should be in favor of shooting feral anythings.
unidentified		I'm not saying that argument.
unidentified		Well, what about the words?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		about those poor damn worms i mean the birds are I mean, they slaughter worms by the millions.
		All right, goodbye.
		Figure somebody's going to call in favor of that right away.
		Or wildcard line, rather, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		How are you doing, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
unidentified		Okay, good deal.
		Listen, I was wanting to know about the Princeton eggs.
		I hadn't really heard any specific details.
		I've just heard loose mentionings of it here and there.
		What exactly kind of eggs are they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		They call them eggs.
		They're really just computers.
		And these computers are scattered around the world at tons and tons of different locations.
		And these computers are all spitting out random numbers.
		And when these numbers stop becoming so random, alarm bells go off.
		And when a lot of the eggs start reporting non-random numbers, big alarm bells go off.
		And they've got a long history now.
		You know, for example, the earthquake and then tsunami produced a gigantic off-the-chart result, as did 9-11 other big world events.
		Interesting thing, sir, that it went off the chart anywhere from an hour to 30 minutes to three hours before the event happened.
unidentified		Interesting.
unidentified		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		And also, if you could, if it's convenient for you, you could ask the guest about the volcanoes.
		I would try to call in, but calling in later on in the evening would be near impossible.
		Is there any way that a volcanic eruption could be prevented?
		Because volcanic eruption is basically when the magma builds up and it can't stand the fresh anymore, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had an idea personally.
		In fact, actually, I've got two ideas that I'd like to run by people tonight.
		One concerned volcanoes, and that was when you had a volcano and you could tell from the seismic readings that there was magma moving around, why couldn't you take a man-made drilling team up there, this is going to be a very stupid idea, and drill a hole into the side and let the magma out slowly?
unidentified		No, actually, that was what I was calling you to have you ask him.
unidentified		Is there any way that we could allow the magma, instead of blowing the top off everything, just let it seep out in a controlled manner?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		You were going to ask that?
		Well, I will ask Jim Birkland tonight.
		I'm sure he will chuckle at me and say, well, exactly like you just did.
unidentified		No, actually, it's a very, very interesting idea.
unidentified		I wonder if there could be any way of doing it, because I think that would be preferable to having an explosion, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		I'm with you all the way, sir.
		I thought of this some time ago and suggested it on air.
		And I have another idea I'd like to run by everybody tonight, perhaps equally as unworkable.
		I don't know.
		But this involves suicide bombers or homicide bombers or people with dynamite and C4 and stuff like that strapped to their chest.
		I really would like to run this by all of you.
		Now, this comes from the mind of an amateur radio operator.
		I'm a ham operator, right?
		But I think a lot of you are going to be able to perhaps, maybe, resonate with this idea.
		How many times have you driven by a highway location where they're doing construction work, building a bridge or, you know, whatever the people who work on our highways do?
		You know, a lot of times they'll tunnel through mountains.
		And, you know, when they do, they have explosives on the site.
		They've got a lot of dynamite or whatever it is they use to, you know, blow the rocks out of the way so they can get a road through.
		Inevitably, you will see signs on the highway that say no two-way radio use.
		Am I right?
		Have you ever seen those?
		Turn off all two-way radios and communication devices?
		And you know why?
		Because they're worried that the RF, the radio frequency, that comes from your transmitter will prematurely detonate the explosives.
		Now, having said that, and feeling fairly firmly that most of you know what I'm talking about, here's my idea.
		At American checkpoints in Iraq, before you get anywhere near the American guards and the checkpost itself, you have a very high-energy wide-spectrum radio transmitter, and you transmit at everybody who walks or rides through.
		Now, the strength of that radio transmission and the frequency would be adjusted to most likely blow up whatever you've got in your car or strapped on your chest so that not so many people would die, except, of course, the person who chose to actually strap the dynamite on their chest.
		Why, they'd go up like a Roman candle.
		And so I just thought I would toss that idea out there and see if it resonated with anybody.
		What do you think?
		A very high RF energy signal transmitted toward a potential suicide bomber, not hurting the biological entities, the other ones who walk by it without explosives, but definitely detonating stuff that people are wearing.
		I wonder if that's a good idea.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		It's Karina calling from Los Angeles.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing well, thank you.
unidentified		You know, I just wanted to comment on a feeling that I had on 9-10.
		It was about 9 in the morning.
		I was on the freeway in L.A. driving to a dentist appointment, and I just had this weird feeling that something was going to go wrong, like it was going to be the end of the world.
		I don't know.
		I mean, it was the worst feeling I've ever had in my life, and I've never had that type of a feeling before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I think it would have been already underway at 9 o'clock.
unidentified		It was on 9.10.
unidentified		It was the day before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, on 9.10.
unidentified		The morning before.
		And I wish I had a cell phone at that time.
		I wish I had had an injection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say you had a cell phone.
unidentified		Who would you have called and what would you have said?
		I was going to call my mom and just tell her if you're going to go out today, just watch out.
		I don't know why I'm telling you this.
		Just be careful.
		And she's like 2,000 miles up north.
		So I just had this feeling that I wanted to get out of my car or I wanted to drive back home and not go to the dentist.
		It was the worst feeling.
		And I was looking at other people in their cars thinking, why doesn't anybody feel this?
		And they're all just driving along, not realizing what's going on.
		But I just wanted to beanie up.
		That's the best way I could explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it, hun.
		Well, listen, but you're not the only one.
		And obviously, a lot of people had these feelings cross their consciousness or perhaps their unconsciousness.
		I don't know.
		I mean, a lot of people had these feelings.
		And that's mirrored in the fact that the charts just went off the scale.
		In the Princeton experiment prior to 9-11, as well as so many other large events.
		And once again, if any of you have access to the current Princeton information, I would be very interested.
		Are we, in fact, undergoing some big spike now?
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Adbell, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, sir.
unidentified		Good.
		I just wanted to comment on last night's program with the soy diesel.
		Yes.
		I am a farmer, and I just wanted to really thank you for your program last night and kind of getting the word out on soybean diesel, which I produce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome, sir.
		I mean, suppose it really happened and truckers across America began using soybean fuel for diesel.
		How much difference would that make to you and to the rest of our country's farmers?
unidentified		It would be absolutely huge due to the fact that Argentina and Brazil, within the next, I would guess, four to five years are going to be the king soybean producers.
		They're going to be the main soybean producers.
		So if we can find a whole nother use for biodiesel and soybeans, that would be huge to not only the American farmers, but to the rest of the population as far as price of fuel and other products that can come from soybeans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't think, then why not do it?
		And as I told Willie Nelson last night, maybe we have a chance right here and now to talk to the truckers out across America.
		And there are these certain locations where this soybean fuel, that's right, from soybeans, can be put directly into your standard diesel engine with no modification, no changes whatsoever.
		And there are certain locations where you can actually get this fuel now and give it a try.
		You don't have to change a thing.
		Just fill her up and go.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you, yes.
unidentified		Great.
		I was just curious, but you always have these people on who believe in God and everything else.
		Why are they so afraid to let this woman in Florida die?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who believe in God and everything else?
unidentified		Well, you know, the higher power, the God, the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't believe in any of that, huh?
unidentified		No, I really don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just think what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is absolutely nothing?
unidentified		Well, you know, they had this story that came out earlier this week that the earlier Greek Bible that came was written in, what, 184, something like A.D., is being put back together.
		There's now books of Mark that were never written.
		They were written for political use at the time, or being put back together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that there was a lot of political input, shall we say, to what was written in the book.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		And it's been changed, it's been altered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm far from confident that there's absolutely nothing beyond us.
		And I mean, really far from confident.
		In fact, quite to the contrary, I think it's more likely there is some intelligent force beyond ourselves.
unidentified		I guess I don't see it.
		And all I see.
		I mean, you hear about people in churches shooting each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it happens over and over again.
		And I guess, you know, church people and guns should stay away from each other.
		I'm sort of making a joke there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
		It's not much of a joke, really.
		And what's even worse is, as I noted as I read it, that we're all beginning to get sort of immune to hearing those kinds of things.
		You know, somebody walked into a church today and killed X number of people.
		Oh, yeah?
		Another church, huh?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is your fireworks, buddy, in Columbus, Georgia.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
unidentified		You know, technology has gotten out to where it's pretty hard to blow things up with radio waves.
unidentified		I think years ago, the blasting caps they were using were really CB, more in that megacycle range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but, you know, I'm sure that the military could study what would blow up current explosives.
unidentified		You know, so they're already using that in Iraq now.
		But see, most of the IEDs in Iraq now are being used With cellular telephones.
		See?
		And that's in the, if I'm not mistaken, that's in the 800 megahertz range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, late 800, 900 meg.
unidentified		Well, anyway, let me get back.
unidentified		I've got some friends in China right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then also 1.9.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's two ranges that are currently being.
unidentified		The digital and the analog.
unidentified		But look here, I've got some friends in China right now, and they have been kind of advised to get back into the bigger cities instead of out into little factories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And a couple of my buddies are in Taiwan right now.
		But I don't believe, I really don't believe anything's going to happen because that's just too much money, and China wants some money too much right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope you're right, but the vote is a little unnerving.
		China seems entirely fixated on not allowing Taiwan any sort of independence.
		And of course, you would expect the kind of vote we got here, but they seem very determined.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Are we on the air right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right now.
unidentified		Okay, well, sorry about that.
unidentified		I wanted to comment on a couple things, but I wanted to answer what you were talking about, that radio signal at the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The reason they have you turn off your radios and stuff is because some of the detonators they use work on radio signals, but you can't just detonate an explosive unless it has that detonator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may well be, sir, that some types of microwave might at some power levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
unidentified		It sets off the detonator.
unidentified		That's why they don't want you doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that makes sense.
unidentified		Okay.
		I agree they're not to shoot the feral cats and the dogs a lot of times.
		I just want you to understand something.
		They already shoot free-ranging dogs.
		Well, several things.
		And the only thing that kept me from being in the female burger is that this had a little sheriff that came in and he was calling down in front of my kids and said, I just shot your dog.
		He was down there running with Kyoto.
		Well, you had a big old red stick town, and the red stick town was just a big old puff.
		And Kyoto's females came in heat.
		And he was down running through the brush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well i would ask you the same thing i have to remember the cat and distance how would you know the difference between a feral dog and and uh...
unidentified		You just didn't want to hear it.
		And I'm not for it or against it.
		I'm against it, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I didn't hear it.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, sir.
		Hold on.
		If he answered the question and I didn't hear it, and you're right.
unidentified		If you didn't want to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you give me the answers.
unidentified		All right.
		See, the reason that you're a gentle person and you don't know anything about killing virus, those guys use high-powered rifles with fancy scopes, and they can tell you if the cat even has claws if he rolls over on his back.
		I mean, that's how you would know if he had a collar on.
		And what they wanted to do was make it a big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, sir, sir.
		No, no, no, no.
		You wait.
		I said the same thing to that other man.
		And that is not all house cats or pests.
unidentified		I know, because you didn't let him do it.
		You didn't listen to what he said.
		If they don't want to make part of that law, they'll make part of that law that you have to have a collar on your cat.
		I'm not arguing for it.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I'm trying to answer your question for you.
		If you don't have a collar, your cat's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, either have collars on your cats or expect them to be shot.
unidentified		That's exactly what they're going to say.
		I've been through this before.
		The only reason I didn't kill that cop is because I wasn't there.
		I was gone.
		He walked in through that color and out of my kid.
		I just shot him when he turned around.
		I flew him away because he killed my kid's dog, and there was no need for it.
		But he could, and he wanted to do it because he was a mean sucker and he didn't like it.
		He didn't like my kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		We were in Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I'm losing you, and anyway, I got to go because we're out of time.
unidentified		All right, bud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Shooting cats and dogs.
		And Orio, we can tell the difference because the law would be that you'd have to have a collar.
		And if it didn't have a collar, that would make it fair game to be shot.
		Really bad idea.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I keep using this bumper music so that Phil Henry's parodies of me will continue to be contemporary in nature.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Jim Birkland, geologist Jim Birkland, as many of you know, or some don't, was suspended from a California government geology job when he made a prediction that he should have made a major quake would occur during the 89 World Series while it happened.
		Remember?
		And then they thanked him.
		They suspended him.
unidentified		It hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government told him, don't make any more predictions.
		Now he's retired.
		He publicly states, quake windows.
		Mr. Birkland uses tidal flooding tables based upon lunar perigee, the time when the moon is closest to the Earth, to effect more gravitational pull on the Earth.
		And I've got, you know, that caller and myself about two weeks ago both had the same idea.
		Jim Berkland would be exactly the guy to ask about it and we shall in a moment.
unidentified		Jim Berkland would be exactly the guy to ask about it and we shall in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple of ways to open a bottle of champagne, right?
		One is and then, of course, you get champagne everywhere.
		And another is to just open it a little bit, and you get it.
		Now, I know this is probably a crackpot idea, no doubt.
		But this caller, two weeks ago, I mentioned this myself, and this caller just mentioned it as well with respect to volcanoes and the dome of the volcano.
		We get stories constantly about the dome of a volcano growing X number of inches or feet or whatever it's done, you know, bulging.
		And both that caller and myself think that, well, why not send some kind of a drilling team up to the dome of a volcano and drill a hole and let it go and prevent an explosion.
		Now, that's probably a crackpot idea, but it seems like it ought to have some merit, maybe, except for the guys probably drilling the hole.
		Jim, what about that?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's good to talk to you again, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good to have you.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you drill down into magma, that is fluid.
unidentified		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And if you provide an exit for it, it will come up and flow out.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And it won't relieving much gas pressure, this tremendous gas pressure down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you couldn't relieve that gas?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Very little.
		It'll plug itself up.
		You know, it cools down, and once it gets up, it chills like lava tubes.
		They chill all around the outside, and the inside it will continue to flow a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So drilling into a dome would not be a good idea?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do it in Iceland, some places where they actually produce heat.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And of course, I'm only about 20 miles away from where they're drilling above a magma chamber and generating a lot of geothermal energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could do it for that reason, but again, not to relieve the pressure that would cause a dome to blow up.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		No, that's asking a little bit too much out of mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too bad.
		Okay, so look, there's a lot going on.
		God, there's a lot going on geologically, seismically, in the world right now.
		I almost don't know where to begin, but I guess I'd like to begin, if you don't mind, with what's going on off the coast of Oregon.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Washington, yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, there we have a classic ridge where new magma is coming up from deep down below, the mantle, and it chills in the big crack along the ridge, and it wedges apart the pre-existing chilled rock of the oceanic plate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's coming up under the water, right?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And often it forms pillows, and it'll chill down there.
		But when it hardens, it sort of shoulders aside the pre-existing chilled crust, and that's what makes it moves laterally.
		It moves the ridges are almost north-south, and so they move everything west and east.
		And the part that goes west pretty soon goes down in the Cascadia Trench off the coast of Oregon, Washington, and Northern California.
		And every time it moves, it makes a quake.
		And every time it moves, it generates friction.
		And that helps to melt rock down at larger depths, especially with all that water in there and the soil and the clays that are going down in the marine sediments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jim, they were getting thousands of earthquakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That seemed rather upsetting.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, except that's the nature of the beast.
		That's what's happening all along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, East Pacific Rise.
		Remember, all these strange critters are living down there.
		Yes.
		Those smokers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so that's going around every place they look in those active ridges.
		They're finding things like that.
		And most of the volcanoes in the world are under the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, well, what's the possibility of this being some sort of precursor to an event that, from a human point of view, might not be so welcome?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't look like they're going to have a big lattice type thing that they talk about, like we had a Krakatoa.
		Because it is a spreading ridge, and it sort of accommodates.
		Like they've taken the little submarine Alvin right down into the mid-Atlantic ridge and observed the magma flowing there when it goes to the surface.
		It's lava.
		But there will be occasional volcanic peaks and seamounts out there.
		And it may well be that it could even reach the surface.
		We know that off Hawaii, Hawaii is growing all the time, and now this new island, Loihi, is forming over the southern shore, just beyond the big island of Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big is it yet?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's up to within a few thousand feet of the surface.
		I think three or four thousand feet of the surface.
		But a couple of years ago, they had hundreds of quakes of three and four magnitude, and that was another rapidly building time.
		They think it'll be another 5,000 years or so until it reaches the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was going to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		5,000 years, huh?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now, meanwhile, the Big Island is the only island of the Hawaiian chain that's still growing because it's active volcanoes.
		And I was able to stick my geologic pick into a flowing lava flow there about three years ago, one of the geologists' big dreams to be able to do that.
		But it's a little different over in Hawaii where the volcanism is a little more under control, more fluid lavas.
		It's not so explosive.
		So you can go right up to the lava flows and see where the margins chilled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you actually did that, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Into hot lava?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is it intensely hot as you're getting close enough to put a pick in?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, usually not, because it's already got a skin on it in most places.
		But where it suddenly breaks open and another little bulge comes out, you want to back up from that.
		But, yeah, it was pretty exciting.
		Something I always wanted to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like it would be fun to me, too.
		Yeah.
		Okay, now, of course, now, we had St. Helens burp pretty hard the other day, too.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the strongest since 1980.
		I was up on the mountain.
		They were doing a television show called The Invisible, Earthquakes and Volcanoes.
		Some show from back in the Boston area, educational TV.
		And I had the last part of the section on earthquakes.
		And I was waving my arms over the Calaveras Fault and telling about how it was due to go, and it did in a couple of months.
		But as they were folding up the cameras, the director said, Jim, speaking of other things, what do you think about Mount St. Helens?
		Now, this was March 27, 1980.
		And on March 20th, the strongest quake on the whole West Coast was a 4.3 right under Mount St. Helens.
		And then there were a couple of other smaller quakes during this week.
		And so on the 27th, when he asked me, what do I think about it, I said, I think that volcano means business.
		I'd give it a 50-50 chance to erupt this year and become the first one since Mount Lassen to be active on the 48th states.
		And that was back in 1914 to 1917.
		So the director said, I hope you're right, Jim.
		We're going to go fly around it this afternoon.
		And when they dropped me off back at the office, I found out that it was beginning to erupt at that very time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It was a good time.
		One week later, I was flying around the peak with KNTV from San Jose and a couple other geologists.
		And it was all socked in and nothing was happening.
		And we looked down at Spirit Lake and the mud flows coming down the nice white, snow-clad St. Helens.
		And then we climbed above the clouds, about ready to bid it adieu, and suddenly it began to abrupt.
		And we stayed for another 15, 20 minutes shooting all of our film.
		And great chunks of ice were being thrown up in the air from the glacier and there's boiling black clouds.
		And it was just really thrilling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must have been.
		It really must have been.
		Are there any expectations with regard to Mount St. Helens?
		We had the big one.
		Now we just have this pretty recent, pretty big one.
		Not as big as the original, of course.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, the original, yeah, as March 27th, this one actually exceeded that one.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But the big blow of May 18th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when I talk about expectations, I mean, is there pressure being relieved now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the worry about a larger event is less?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		It didn't turn out to be true last time.
		We had three or four fairly good eruptions before the big blast.
		We have to have to see whether the heat flow is continuing and the tilt of the southern slope is continuing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the odds are not lower that it could still really blow.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I'm sure they're really instrumenting the heck out of it.
		They lost some instruments with that last eruption.
		Now, as far as I was concerned, it was a very timely eruption because my seismic window opened on the 8th and runs through tomorrow, the 15th, and it began to erupt on the 8th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are these always predictable, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Six of the seven in 1980, the major eruptions, I did predict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I meant by the scientists that have the instruments around these mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From that point of view, Jim, are they always predictable or can it just suddenly happen and all the instruments go berserk at once?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh boy, they usually postdict them.
		They tell you after the fact, yep, we knew what that was going.
		There have been a few cases where you get harmonic tremors.
		You get continuous earthquakes without a real clear P wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but you're saying sometimes forget the precursors.
		They don't happen.
		You just have one big event, boom.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty unusual, though.
		But in every volcano, every eruption, just like every earthquake, is unique.
		And so you always are, there's a lot of guesswork involved.
		But when you see the signs of the tilt and the increasing heat flow and then the test of gases and you see which of the gases are most abundant just before an eruption, they're getting closer.
		And certainly, they're a lot closer to accepting prediction of volcanic eruptions than they are of accepting prediction of earthquakes.
		And that's partly, I think, because with magma, you can picture it actually as it's a fluid.
		It has a tide in it.
		And it responds to gravitational pressures from the sun and moon, mainly.
		And we find that there seems to be a kind of a cyclical pattern with many volcanoes.
		Certainly, not all of them, but a few are showing a pretty good fingerprint helping to predict actual eruptions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I realize that there are seismic readings associated with the movement of magma and volcanoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But is there any relationship to tectonic activity and volcanic activity?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, like, you know, that 9.5 magnitude quake down in Chile in 1960?
		Yes.
		It had nine quakes of seven magnitude or better as aftershocks, and two Chilean volcanoes sprang into activity.
		And in 1902, Pele had been bulging and steaming and creating a lot of concern down the island of Martinique.
		But the governor down there was about to have an election, and he didn't want the wealthy people to take off.
		And so he brought in a French expert who said, everything is fine.
		Pele is fine.
		Well, 30,000 of them died a few days later.
		But the animals were fleeing the volcano.
		And they might also have noticed that the day before it erupted and wiped out all those people with a new AR dot, a glowing avalanche of incredibly hot gases and particles that just cooked everything.
		The day before, there was an eclipse of the moon.
		And the day before, about 200 miles to the south, there was another volcanic eruption on another island.
		And the people on Martinique breathed a sigh of relief and says, boy, that'll take the pressure off.
		Well, they weren't drilling for that one, but it naturally was in that same belt of the West Indies.
		And because one volcano went off, it didn't relieve Pele.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
		How frequently do we see many eruptions around the world at the same time?
		In other words, the basis of this question is, down deep in the earth, Jim, is there any connection, do you feel, between volcanoes, volcanoes in the Caribbean volcanoes, in the northwest part of the U.S. volcanoes, in Japan, volcanoes around the world.
		Are they connected somehow?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is no central fire.
		Each volcano has its own little magma chamber.
		And there is some connection in that they tend to be linear belts, like the Cascade Range, inland from the Cascadia Trench.
		And that was something that, you know, they recognized the ring of fire around the Pacific.
		There's a similar ring around much of the Mediterranean.
		And it's related to plate tectonics and where the plates are moving and where they are underthrusting, where one plate is diving down beneath usually a continental plate.
		All that friction generates magma and you get periodic eruptions.
		But they aren't totally divorced.
		When Mount St. Helens went off, the big blow in the May 18th, well, here down in Mammoth Lakes, within a week, there were three quakes of over six and a half magnitude.
		And then when the big earthquake hit Landers in 1992 down your way, there was a rash of quakes at Mammoth Lakes and up at Lassen and up at Yellowstone, small one.
		But there was a five and a half in western Utah and another five and a half down your way, down by the nuclear depository site, where there wasn't supposed to be any five-magnitude quakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, have they, by the way, have they noticed that you mentioned that they're trying to keep it quiet, I think.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But yes, they have noticed it.
		In fact, I was rather delighted to hear an expert from the U.S. Geological Survey say after the Landers quake, well, we were a bit surprised that the action occurred at the Mammoth Lakes in response to that big seven magnitude quake at Landers because the amount of energy passing through the Mammoth Lakes was less than the energy of the full moon passing overhead.
		Well, I don't need less than the full moon.
		I'll just take the full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, they're admitting that these minor forces can trigger activity, seismic activity.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		We know that on the moon, that there actually are moonquakes, and most of them occur once a month when the Earth and Moon are closest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the Earth has a similar, perhaps even greater, effect on the Moon than the Moon does on the Earth.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		would that be fair i mean we have more help Exactly.
		But the Moon is dead.
		It doesn't have really a liquid core, active volcanoes, or moving plates.
		I made the analogy that if you have a 95-year-old man on a cot, bare feet hanging out, and a 12-month-old baby sitting on another cot lying down there, and you tickle their feet with feathers, where are you going to see the action?
		And I think the youngster, the living body like the earth, is where you'll see the action from a minor stimulus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		No doubt.
		Well, all right.
		Listen, in a moment, I want to talk to you about animals.
		I know it's one of your favorite subjects.
		And I'm getting a lot of emails from people who are saying that their animals are behaving oddly.
		There's been quite a bit of that in the last few days.
		So if you will hang on, we'll get back to you, and we'll find out where you are with watching animals and their reaction.
		I mean, after all, remember the big story about the big quake, the waves, and the animals, not one of which was found.
		Remember that?
		We'll talk about it.
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		It's like magic.
		Oh, rolling and riding and sniffing and sliding.
		It's magic.
		And you, as it seems as I am.
		You, as it seems as I am.
		I am a baby.
		It's a living thing.
		It's a terrible thing to do.
		It's a given thing to do.
		What a terrible...
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		You lift your mind and throw me down the road.
		You can't use the love.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		Whatever.
		I tell you what's wrong with the regular control, you can't use the love.
		You're always talking about your crazy nights.
		What other days you just think living in life?
		Don't let me down.
		No, I won't lie.
		I tell you what's wrong with the regular control, you can't use the love.
		Don't let me down.
		You're looking good just like you're sticking with grass.
		What other days you're gonna break again?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really talking about one of the most scary things in the whole world.
		Have you ever been in a big earthquake?
		Really big earthquake?
		There's nothing quite like it.
		Nothing quite like it in terms of the absolute inability of your mind to deal with how helpless you really are.
		And then, of course, the Quake at Sumatra and the killer tsunami.
		And, you know, I was reading the stories in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of that, in which people, along with the horrible tragedy, were commenting that not one single animal body was found.
		It was in all kinds of wire stories.
		And, Jim, it seems to me that bolsters everything you've been saying about animals, doesn't it?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It certainly caused a lot of communication my way, and a lot of people say, well, maybe there is something to it.
		Well, it's pretty hard to ignore when they have all these human bodies and no bodies of large mammals.
		There were reports of elephants heading up the hill, and all kinds of animals heading up the hill.
		Also before quakes, there are often mass strandings of marine mammals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And I just uncovered one I'd forgotten all about.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Back in late January 1971 was the worst marine mammal stranding in the history of Southern California with more than 200 dolphins stranded up on San Clemente Island less than about two weeks before the February 9th quake at San Fernando.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And that was on the day of the eclipse of the moon also.
		So we had the tidal effects and we had the marine mammals.
		And then I went back through the old LA Times and sure enough, the missing animals rose abruptly just before that quake and could have been predicted had I been looking at it in those days.
		And then there was an article on February 10th, the day after the quake, where they were citing the Griffith Park Observatory astronomer, Dr. Kaufman.
		And he said, I think yesterday's earthquake had something to do with yesterday's eclipse of the moon.
		Not that it caused the quake, but through extra gravitational stress triggered a weak place in the fall.
		My idea.
		Only I didn't get it until three years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think, Jim, that animals, what's going on here?
		Are they sensing something, some vibration?
		Are they actually having some kind of instinctual precognitive experience altogether?
		What do you think?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we do know that they have the mechanism in their bodies by which they can detect changes in the magnetic field.
		We know that even people have it, and it wasn't recognized until 1984.
		I'm talking of the most highly magnetic natural substance on earth, magnetite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Magnetite in our brains.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		304.
		It's right over our pineal gland, yeah.
		In the middle of our forehead, and that's where a number 14 people, 13 women, one man, have reported to me they get these terrible earth, these headaches.
		They identify them as earthquake headaches in the middle of their forehead, and they last for about three days before the quake, and then moments before the earthquake.
		Maybe within 30 minutes, the pressure and pain disappear, and they know the quake is imminent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since these are people and they can talk, maybe we should be corralling all these people who have this and keeping track of them.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I've had, Oh, heck, six or eight of them communicated with me regularly when I was down in San Jose.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little more remote now, still a phone number away, and my website has had 122 million hits on it since the very first time I opened it back in 1997 on the day I was first on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your website is?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's Syzygy Job, S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y, J-O-B, my initials, dot com, dot org, dot net.
		S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y.
		And if they go to my message board, they will see under seismic sentries about 200 comments about animals just this month.
		And there's parakeets and dogs and cats and tortoises and ants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then I'm right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot of activity going on.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting the email.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So I certainly encourage people to document these things.
		One thing, oh, it's to call it anecdotes.
		I'm always accused of talking about anecdotes.
		Well, when I get the information in advance and publicize it, it's not an anecdote.
		It's a fact.
		It's a scientific fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, does everything that's going on right now, the emails I'm getting, the activity on your website, does it add up to anything that makes sense?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, several things.
		Back in 1984, I predicted we were going to have a six-magnitude quake or better in Santa Clara County because of the record rainfall that we had in 1983.
		The record we broke in San Jose was 1889.
		Well, on April 24th of 1890, we had a six and a half magnitude quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And then we had, of course, the 1906 quake, and then another six in 1911, and we didn't have another six in the Bay Area until 1984, again on April 24th, following the new record rainfall year.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now we know what's been happening down your way with your blooming desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, now, I was about to ask you about this, Jim.
		In Las Vegas, we have TV station We Watch, the CBS affiliate in there, and they had some news the other day about the fact that this winter, Jim, we've had more rain than in all the record-keeping ever done by mankind for this area of the United States.
		Now, that worries me, because if there is a connection to earthquakes, then what does all this rain we've had mean?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are several things that happen.
		One thing, a foot of water adds a load of about one million tons for every square mile.
		So you can look at how much of the rain has evaporated, how much of it has run off, and how much of it has accumulated in the water table and in the reservoirs and lakes.
		And that adds a load to the crust.
		When they first built Hoover Dam, Boulder Dam in those days, there were a series of earthquakes after a couple of years of filling the reservoir.
		And the engineer down there said he thought the earthquakes, which were most unusual, related to the filling of the reservoir.
		And he was poo-pooed.
		He went to his deathbed not knowing how right he was.
		Now, reservoir-induced seismicity is very common.
		It's accepted when you build a new reservoir, you have to design the dam to withstand the quake that the dam and reservoir might create.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what you believe is that it is the weight of the water?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		That's part of it.
		And, of course, the buildup of the pore pressure.
		The only thing holding a fault together is friction.
		And if you can inject a little grease, it'll allow it to slip, make an earthquake.
		And that's all an earthquake is.
		It's a moving along a fault line.
		And if friction holds it together, then it gets a high pore pressure, that allows it to slip prematurely.
		It would eventually slip anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the fact that we just have had an all-time record rainfall here might mean what?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		That you're going to have a pretty good jolt.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now, in 1978, I ran into an article about earthquake phenomenon, and four scientists from USC had done a study of rainfall in Southern California, and they found an interesting fact that from 1900 to 1972, there had been, I believe, 22 quakes of six magnitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		All had been preceded by a year or two of drought, followed by one or two years of excessively heavy rainfall.
		And that happened again.
		I went back since 1972.
		Well, it happened before the Landers quake.
		It happened before the Northridge quake and several others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, of course, it's not just my area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say my area, I assume you're referring to, for example, Southern California at the same time, right?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's pretty hard.
		You have to learn from history.
		I tell people, if you don't know your history, your history.
		So it's stupid to ignore what's already happened.
		And I get people to keep telling me, oh, come on, you're not using enough information.
		What about the last thousand years?
		And I say, well, I'm not worried so much about the last, you know, the previous thousand, but I can learn from the last few decades and see what happens.
		So we're going to have, I think there's going to be a six-plus in southern Nevada or southern California by this summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By summertime.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		June, July, and August are extremely high tide periods.
		And they're called Parigian spring tides.
		Now, in July 21st, there's a very close approach to the moon on the same day, only eight hours away from the full moon.
		And it's also the time of, oh, well, just past the time of the equinox.
		So That's one of the three months that I would say is most likely for having a 6-plus in Southern California.
		Now, last year I was sort of neutral on Vladimir Kailas-Borok, the Russian seismologist who was calling for a 6.4 quake down there by September 5th.
		Of course, it didn't happen.
		And I was most intrigued by what happened to me when I went to a meeting in Oakland discussing his prediction in July.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I brought with me several of my predictions of a quake in Japan the previous September and the San Simeon quake, which occurred just hours before the highest possible tides in California.
		I mean, I'd been warning about December of 2003 all year long.
		And so then my window opened on the 21st, and the San Simeon quake out on the 22nd, and on the 26th was the Bamaran quake with some 40,000 people killed.
		And that was the time of the maximum possible tides, and the highest tides we've experienced since 1986.
		So such the tides are certainly predictable.
		And if we find the earthquakes are occurring around the same time, then earthquakes are predictable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how predictable?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to the point where.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, whether you're working with animals, and that seems a valid way to work to me, Jim.
		Are you working with the tides and the moon and all the rest of it?
		I mean, can you call how closely can you call an earthquake?
		And when is it, how far are we from the point where a county or a state is going to issue some sort of really official step out on a limb as a result of some of this research and make up predictions?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		20 years ago, we thought they were 10 years away.
		And every year they were saying we're 10 years away, we're a decade away.
		And I spoke before a scientific body, and I had a clipping in my hand from the Russians saying they thought they were five years away.
		And I spread my hands out on the desk, and I leaned over and told all these experts, gentlemen, we have an earthquake prediction gap.
		And not one of them smiled.
		Oh, boy.
		So some people take themselves too seriously.
		But what I do is say, keep an open mind.
		If we don't keep an open mind, ears, and eyes, we're not really being scientific.
		And it always troubled me.
		I was trained for 10 years in college and university.
		I taught the universities on the east and west coast and was always kind of middle of the road, mainstream scientist.
		And I didn't think you could predict earthquakes until 1974 when I looked into six earthquakes that had greeted me as county geologist for Santa Clara County in late 1973.
		And all six of those quakes occurred at the time of the newer full moon.
		And I thought, well, this is a preferred time.
		This is kind of a seismic window, time of high potential for quakes.
		And I made a prediction on January 8th that we'd have a four to five magnitude quake in the county.
		And it happened two days later.
		And I thought, boy, this is simple.
		What's the tough about predicting earthquakes?
		And I kept it quiet for a couple years.
		When I was asked to speak to the alumni scholarship award-winning ceremony at San Jose State University, they said they couldn't interest the media that I have anything interesting and simulating and controversial with terms.
		And I said, well, I have something along that line.
		It's not ready for publication, but okay, I'll do it.
		And I didn't realize how effective they were.
		There were four television cameras and ten reporters with pencils poised to hear me speak and make a prediction which didn't happen.
		So I said, call me back in October, and I got a double header on the first day of my window in October on the day of an eclipse of the moon.
		The USGS said, he's merely matching two random series of events.
		It's a little better than reading tea leaves.
		And they haven't changed their opinion ever since.
		So there are so many things that are happening.
		The windows, the seismic windows from the tides tell me approximately when.
		I have an eight-day window associated with high tides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to be able to say where, too.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so we look at what happens to the water tables.
		We look at what happens to radon gas releases, tilt of the ground, magnetic field changes.
		I have a couple of magnetic stress indicators, north, south, and east-west, and they've often shown anomalous movements.
		They had, in Alaska, 1964, on the island of Kodiak, they had instrumented with very delicate magnetometers so they could detect what was happening in the ionosphere.
		And on a normal day, you would see five or ten gamma changes.
		On this day, on the Good Friday, 1964, in the afternoon, they saw a change of 100 gammas, and they thought their instrument was defective.
		And that afternoon is when Kodiak had a tsunami of about 30 feet, and they had the 8 to 9.2 quake.
		Now, that quake was on the day of the full moon at the time of the lowest tides for the day.
		The next nine-magnitude quake was over in Sumatra on Boxing Day, 26th of December, on the day of the full moon.
		Both of those nine-magnitude quakes and the huge destructive tsunamis were on the day of a full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this seems very convincing, but if you compile it against earthquakes that have occurred when we don't have full moons or the tides aren't as you've suggested, then what do we come up with?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been hitting about 75% now for 30 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		75%?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and chance would allow me 25%.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's just a matter of, let's see, I just now went back through the earthquakes of at least three magnitude in the Puget Sound area since the year 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		As of January 16th of last year, there were 22 quakes in the Puget Sound area of at least three magnitude, and 18 of the 22 fit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is pretty good.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		That's more than the chance rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, way above.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way, way above.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So, and I've been doing that.
		I've only missed three quakes in the Bay Area of more than five magnitude since I moved back to California in 1973.
		And just most recently, since I came up to live in the Valley of the Moon, we had the Bolinas quake on August 17th of 1999.
		It happened right after the eclipse of the sun, passed across the Atlantic and over Turkey, and then Turkey had the great earthquake at Ismet.
		40,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		The next day we had the five-magnitude quake over here in Bolinas on the San Andreas Fault.
		Well, that was a pretty good jolt.
		And then in the year 2000, in September 3rd, we had a 5.2 quake that did $50 million damage in the wine country at Napa.
		It was only centered about three miles from our house.
		It shook us really violently, but we didn't have any damage here.
		The energy mainly propagated southward, and we're to the west of the epicenter.
		But I hit both of those quakes right on the money.
		I had a TV crew from Great Britain come here, and they said, well, will you give us a specific prediction for our British audience?
		And I said, well, based on all of these missing animals in the San Jose paper, the fact that I have three days left at my window here, I'm predicting we have at least a 4.5 in the Bay Area within the next three days.
		And they said, Fine, thank you.
		They folded up their cameras and they went down to San Francisco to spend the night before they headed for Japan to continue their program.
		That night, a 5.5 shook the heck out of them to San Francisco.
		So they called me to congratulate me.
		This happens fairly frequently.
		And we just had a talk you were mentioning about animals for sure.
unidentified		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		National Geographic flew me up to Seattle back a couple months ago.
		It's going to appear on their program here in June.
		And also another British crew is doing a thing on Animal Planet, and that'll also come out in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		We'll be right back.
		Top of the hour.
		I'm Art Bell with Jim Brooklyn.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seismically, things are very live right now, and so our guest is Jim Birkland, and he is famous, or is it infamous, for predicting earthquakes that come true.
unidentified		We'll get back to him in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many things to talk about with Jim Birkland, but we were with animals, back sort of with animals for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how are you going to develop this thing with animals?
		Are you going to go further with it?
		I know now you watch, you know, the lost and found, the animals that run away, that sort of thing.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have the Daily Records now since 1979 for a couple of newspapers.
		And so I can, if a quake comes up, I can demonstrate how the animals showed it.
		Before the World Series quake, which I named in the newspaper four days before it happened, instead of having four or five missing cat ads, we had 27, the all-time record at that point.
		And we had 58 missing dog ads instead of the normal 15 or 20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're doing that for that area, but I mean, if this is an effective method of forecasting earthquakes, then really it ought to be done just about everywhere, shouldn't it?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, but I'm just one person.
		But I did predict a quake up in Seattle, the 5.7 quake on the southwest edge of Puget Sound the day before it happened because there were an extraordinary number of missing animals in the Seattle Times.
		Back in 1990, I was invited to speak to the Foundation for the Study of Cycles in Irvine, California on the 25th of February 1990.
		And that morning, I pulled out the L.A. Times before my talk and saw 58 missing dogs, and the normal was about 20.
		So towards the end of my talk, I said, I want to save time for questions, but I also want to alert you to my concerns here based on this.
		And I unfolded this long line of missing pets.
		And I said, based on this and the fact that my window is still open for three days, I'm predicting a five-magnitude quake or greater for the Los Angeles area within three days.
		A fellow in the back of the audience got up and went out the door, and I never saw him again.
		Ten days later, I got a letter from New York saying, congratulations on another hit.
		I didn't want to share in it.
		I checked out a hotel and took the first plane back to New York.
		Now, he really took me seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But the upland quake hit on the 28th, and that did quite a bit of damage about 30 miles north of where I was speaking.
		Interesting, too, as I was making this talk, it was all videotaped.
		And during my talk, there was an electronic glitch right across the middle of the screen that they couldn't understand.
		It didn't happen with any other speaker over two days.
		But people say this was just an anecdote.
		No, I did it in advance, and it's recorded.
		And just like the newspaper account or any other of these accounts that I give.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, here you are on national radio.
		You've already made one prediction, sort of a loose one.
		A sixth quake, I think you said, in my area, meaning Southern California, Southern Nevada, within three months.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		During the three months of summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything else you'd like to predict now and get solidly on the record?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just, all of my newsletter, and I've been sending out a newsletter monthly since I was on suspension for predicting the World Series quake, and they told me I could only come back to work if I didn't predict anymore on county time.
unidentified		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So I started my newsletter in January of 1990.
		And my next window, and this window, by the way, is March 8th to 15th.
		So it closes tomorrow.
		So what's happened?
		Just this afternoon, there was a 3.5 down by Palomar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And that was 100% hit.
		There was a 3.3 at Olympia, and I said a 3 to a 5, so that was 100% hit.
		And I said there would be a 3.5% to 6 in the Greater Bay Area.
		And there was a 4.2 this afternoon over in, I guess it was yesterday, over in Mammoth Lakes.
		It was 30 miles beyond my 140-mile limit, so I give myself 70 or 80% for that.
		So anything beyond 30% off and distance would not count, or three days off doesn't count, and three-tenths magnitude off wouldn't count.
		I say I'm off the dartboard in that case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty tight.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Talk to some of my critics.
		One critic said, four minutes off with a quake in Los Angeles a few years ago.
unidentified		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It was a total miss.
		It happened at 11.56, and my window didn't open until midnight.
		So they want mathematical precision, and Mother Nature just won't be browbeaten like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, critics are that way.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I have noticed.
		When I went to that meeting, as I mentioned, Dr. Vladimir Kalas Borak, and listened, and I got up and introduced myself and said, the title of this meeting is, Have We Turned the Corner on Earthquake Prediction?
		Ladies and gentlemen, I didn't have to turn the corner because I've been on a straightaway for the last 30 years.
		Nobody reacted.
		And I said, the two quakes that Dr. Borak says he predicted and helped to establish this new prediction, I predicted both of those in my newsletter.
		And I have copies with me of the last 8th magnitude over in Japan and the 6.5 in San Simeon.
		Not one person approached me.
		And as I tried to hand a few out to people, they avoided me like I had the plague.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So I realized that's the status of science.
		Well, by the way, a lot of this may change because at Long Last, there is a book being written about what I've been doing, and it's by author Cal Ori, who's written a lot about animals and has written short stories and items about animals and quakes, and often included me in Cat's World, Dog's World, Women's World.
		But this is a full-fledged book, and it's going to come out in December, and we will be distributing it at a table at the American Geophysical Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how that'll be accepted.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		We shall find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think more of the same?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		No, because the scientists are one thing, and the people are something else.
		I have received thousands of letters, only one unfavorable letter, and all the ones I've received.
		My first time on your show, I offered people a free newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Send me a self-addressed damped envelope.
		And you said, are you sure?
		And I said, yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I got 4,000, and I spent the next three months tearing open letters and stuffing newsletters for people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm good at predicting that kind of stuff.
		Listen, there's something on the Drudge Report that I'd like to call your attention to if you haven't seen it.
		It's a picture of the top of Kilmanjaro.
		It says, the peak of Mount Kilmanjero, as it has not been seen for 11,000 years, developing.
		What's that all about?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently the global warming is happening.
		It's just not necessarily man-caused, but no question that we're losing a lot of ice.
		And we had a warmer period than this when the Vikings were going, my heritage, back in 800 to about 1,200, it was warmer than today.
		That's why they settled on Iceland and Greenland and Inland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, surely when you look at the North Pole and you look at the South Pole and what's going on at both those places, particularly up at the North Pole, and look at pictures separated by 40 or 50 years, it's really freaky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, 40% of the ice or whatever gone on the way to becoming a new sea that will be navigated by our Navy.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess Hemingway would have to rewrite his Snows of Kilimanjaro, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, apparently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely incredible.
		All right.
		Under the category, Jim, of how many died, when we have these earthquakes around the world and these tsunamis, the number of victims, the number of people that die, seems really hard to track.
		I mean, they always start off with very few, and it's always a minimized story.
		And then by the time it's done, you're up to 100,000 people or something.
		How frequently are we being lied to, to you expose, about how many people are killed in these events?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		About 90% of the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of the time, Jim.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, I discovered in 1979 about the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco.
		I often raised the question: gee, we got awfully lucky there, only losing a few hundred, 452 or 315 or 277.
		Various experts came up with different numbers, almost all less than 500 for San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And they said, well, absolutely.
		The fire did most of the damage, and people just moved out ahead of the fire.
		You didn't expect them to wait around.
		Well, I did if they were crushed under the buildings.
		The temperatures of that fire hit 2,500 degrees because cast iron melted.
		Radiators and kegs of nails retained the shape of the keg, and the wood was all gone, the nails fused together.
		It takes 2,500 degrees.
		I checked with the crematory, and they only used 1,800 degrees.
		So there was very little to clean up.
		So the Army, the early estimates by the Telegraph Company and General Funston were about 3,000 killed.
		And then General Greeley came quickly to take over, and the Secretary of Commerce and Labor Metcalf was a direct emissary from Teddy Roosevelt.
		And they all had their act together.
		It's just like it recorded.
		There has been much exaggeration of the deaths.
		The true total is, and pick a number from around 250 to 450.
		And people didn't want to deal with it because the Army had everything in control, and they claimed there hadn't been anybody shot for looting except one accidental one.
		Lies, lies, lies.
		And so I ran into an article in Great Disasters of the World by James Cornell.
		And it said that in 1968, this major quake hit Iran, and that at least 6,000 people died.
		There were reports that more than 18,000, but the truth will not be known because of the reluctance of the Iranian government to admit to shoddy construction.
		I read that and said, that sounds logical.
		And then I read a British almanac, 1907, which said, last April 18th, San Francisco was visited by a frightful earthquake, caused more than 60 million pounds damage, $5 a pound in those days, 300 million, not too far off, the real damage.
		But more lamentable was the loss of several thousand lives.
		Oh, my hackles rose on seeing that.
		What do these British mean telling us lost several thousand when I know for a fact it was only a few hundred?
		Come on.
		Well, they think we are a third world country.
		I was very provincial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really have wondered about this accident or accident, tragedy toll that we get.
		It seems so strangely released.
		Yes.
		Sumatra, for example, I wonder what is real there.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, in my newsletter in January, I estimated 400,000 killed and would die with the disease and all.
		The highest total I've seen now is about 300,000.
		But it's slowly climbed.
		It is still occurring.
		People are even killing each other.
		It's a desperate situation, and maybe one of the world's greatest disasters.
		And they said the tsunami first reported about 30 feet, and now they found debris up on 80-foot trees, and they said it was up to 80 feet in places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And one of the most incredible things is a leading geologist whom I've met and did a lot of work on the San Andreas Fault.
		I didn't know he had worked 10 years in Sumatra.
		He was spending his own money distributing 5,000 posters and talking to churches and schools and trying to acquaint people to the threat of a big quake and tsunami.
		This is last year in July.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I'd heard about this.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I've been trying to include him in my book.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Cal's been trying to get hold of him, but I don't know if he's been told to be quiet or what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard about this, that he was distributing all kinds of warnings.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And he had a meeting set up with some of the governmental leaders a couple of weeks before the event.
		and then they decided they have enough money to travel in the the canceled it but uh...
		I took matters in my own hands because most of the media outlet didn't want to hear about that I'd been working with earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you must have known when you did that, Jim, that you were doing a potentially career-ending thing.
		It didn't end my career, but I mean, you had to look at it that way before you did it.
		That had to be one of the things that you considered.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Am I going to conform or am I going to inform?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And when you, you know, if somebody had a clue for AIDS or something, you have to come out with it.
		And I just don't believe in censorship.
		I was very fortunate as county geologists.
		There was only one time before the World Series earthquake where I was censored, and I was told to not talk about the threat of mudslides following the big forest fire we had in 1985.
		And I talked to the sheriffs and the Forest Service and the various homeowners.
		And finally, I got the word from the boss.
		Jim, some of the real estate people are concerned it might affect property values.
		So we don't want you to talk about the potential for mud flows.
		Well, we had extremely heavy rainfall, and everything that I said happened.
		And so I got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was going to ask, what would the motive be for trying to shut you up, and you just told me.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the same thing with the deaths in 1906.
		The insurance companies said they weren't going to pay for any earthquake damage because nobody had any earthquake insurance.
		So early estimates of 50-50% went down to 95% fire and 5% earthquake.
		And all the old timers through history called it the fire, not the earthquake.
		And only in recent years, the city historian, Gladys Hansen, was doing the same thing I was simultaneously back in the late 70s.
		She started after Roots appeared on television and she was getting all these wires and phone calls from people all around searching for Aunt Gertrude.
		She'd look for Aunt Gertrude on the death list and the missing list and she wasn't there.
		And so she realized eventually that there was a third list of those that never had been followed up upon.
		So in 1989, she and the former fire chief wrote a big card table book, picture book, wonderful pictures that she has on file with the fire department.
		And it's called Denial of Disaster.
		And in there, she said at least 3,000 killed.
		Well, I've been saying 5,000 to more than 10,000 from 1979.
		And now it's starting to appear in some of the official books.
		But for many, many years, the World Almanac would say 452 dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, it just doesn't seem as though 2,000 people or 3,000 people could be missing for that period of time without somehow somebody realizing that that's how they died and they're getting added to the death toll.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, just picture if you live in another part of the country and your relatives visiting out here and they disappeared, you don't know what to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		How do you follow up?
		And you get denials from everywhere.
		Well, they'll show up.
		Or maybe they'll get back to you.
		And then time passes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they don't.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and I found a similar...
		Do you think it could happen again in another 10 years?
		No. 50 years, not likely.
		100 years, maybe.
		Well, it's a long time away, and we have to look to the present and to the living.
		We have to rebuild.
		We have to encourage reinvestment.
		The leading military, social, economic center of the West Coast, you've got 450,000 people lived in San Francisco, only 250,000 in Los Angeles at the time.
		So I would have agreed to a time capsule.
		You know, in 20 years, 30 years, let the truth come out so we can prepare for the next one.
		What's the greater good to keep it quiet for a while so that we can...
		The investors back east said, no more.
		They had the big quake in 1892 and 1865 and 1868.
		Right on down, so good money after bad.
		And people could accept fires because they had the big one in Chicago and Baltimore.
		And West Brown City can have a fire.
		So they focused on the fire and absolutely minimized the deaths.
		And that happens many, many other times in many other places.
		And I've started, you normally see, you can graph it.
		It starts low, as you were saying, and then it steadily increases day after day, and then finally it gets sort of asymptotic.
		It kind of flattens out.
		Well, in the case of San Francisco, it started very high, and then it ended up very low.
		It made a big L. And totally unrealistic.
		It hasn't had, you know, you don't see patterns like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something weird with these death tolls.
		Jim, hold tight.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Jim Birkland is my guest.
		And we're talking about the earth below us, the earth we all walk on.
		Have you ever been in a really big earthquake?
		As I said earlier, it is the most hard-to-deal with event you'll ever go through because you have totally, absolutely no control over it whatsoever.
unidentified		None.
		It's going to happen to you.
		It's a night Tommy Matt.
		In the night, no control, through the wall, something like me.
		Wearing white, as you're walking, down the street, of my soul.
		Take yourself, take myself, I'm cold.
		You got me living only for the light, before the morning comes the story told.
		You take yourself, you take myself, I'm cold.
		Another night, another day goes wild.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Jim Berkeland is here.
		He predicts earthquakes.
		That's something a geologist is not supposed to do.
		Actually, maybe it is something a geologist is supposed to do.
		Maybe we ought to have a different way of thinking about that whole thing.
unidentified		What do you suppose?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am kind of a quake watcher, and of course I get communications, thank God, from all of you out there.
		And as a result, I'm aware of most quakes that occur, and certainly the unusual ones that occur.
		And Jim, lately I've been getting emails from people, and there are quakes going on at the North Pole.
unidentified		Yeah, Severnaya Zemlia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how unusual are quakes at the North Pole?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		They're pretty unusual, just like at the South Pole.
		We finally had a few years ago, there was an eight-magnitude quake way down near the Antarctic continent, which was almost unique.
		But most of the action is in the temperate zones and from there south.
unidentified		The middle zones, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if we do start having a lot of quakes at the pole, is there something about that that should concern us?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't really seen, you know, just an occasional one.
		I haven't seen a concentration of them up at the extreme latitudes.
		But if we did, then that would, you know, cause some additional concern about the magnetic fields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And I worked, the first work I had with the USGS was in paleomagnetic studies of the western lava flows.
		And back in the late 50s, they still thought they could explain the variations by changes, by polar wandering, that the magnetic field would wander, and they didn't accept plate tectonics.
		That was really not born officially until 1969.
unidentified		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So things change.
		I have unlearned an awful lot of facts.
		What I have said finally when I teach, I say a scientific fact is at best a progress report subject to change with some new insight or some new data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Another area I want to ask you about is the sun.
		I watch the eruptions on the sun, and of course it has 11-year or 22-year cycles, depending on how you want to look at it.
		And I have, because of my hobby with ham radio, I've watched solar cycles very carefully and might see some correlation with what goes on in the sun.
		Anything there?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Big time.
		And five years ago, I would have scoffed at it.
		How can something on the sun affect earthquakes?
		There's no mechanism.
		Well, just look at the facts.
		Within two days of the World Series quake, there was a huge solar flare of X13.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And on the very day of the 6.2 Morgan Hill quake, there was an X13.
		And on the day of the 7.4 at Eureka in 1980, there was an X9.
		So when I saw the list of the actual biggest solar flares and compared them with the known earthquake times, there was a huge correlation.
		So I have to say, it doesn't matter if I understand the mechanism.
		If I see the timing correlation, I'm going to say it looks like there's a pattern.
		And I don't know what goes on when I turn on my television.
		Just long as it's get a picture and a sound, I'm happy.
		So just as long as I see a correlation and I can make correlations into the future, make projections, and if I can be successful, then I accept that there's something going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So if you don't mind, I'd kind of like to start into the phones and see what people would like to ask you.
		Good.
		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Berkeland.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		I was wondering if Mr. Berkel is aware of the alignment of the planets that is supposed to happen on 5.5 this year, on May the 5th.
		I read a book by that title of 5.5-2005, probably seven, eight years ago.
		And it was predicting because of the gravitational fields and the way that they affect the Earth, that there could be a massive event happening on May the 5th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's look into that.
		Sure, people have been talking about that forever.
		And some people would say the other planets have so little gravitational effect that line up any way they want, it doesn't compare much to, for example, the effect of the moon.
		What do you say, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're so right.
		I would have kept an open mind on it, but when you have all the other planets, the tide-raising force varies with the cube of the distance, and it varies with the mass and the cube of the distance.
		And so these planets are out so far that really planets and stars have no effect on our crust.
		Now, if there's something magical, astrological, then it ought to work.
		I mean, if that worked, we would see it.
		I have yet to have an astrological prediction come true, but I've had a number of postdictions.
		People say, oh, yeah, we could have predicted that because Uranus is twine Jupiter or something.
		But if you combine all of the gravitational forces from the rest of the planets, there'd be less than one thousandth the effect that the moon has.
		So unless we're looking for a trigger on a trigger, it's just not there.
		So I don't worry about that 555 thing at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to your colleagues, somebody fast-blasted me that it was jealousy.
		With regard to the way they treated you, Jim, now, do you think jealousy is at the core of it with regard to your making predictions?
		Or do you think that some other, something else, just sort of a piling on professional?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I would be happy if it were just jealousy.
		I know about five years ago, a lovely young gal was doing a television program on earthquakes And earthquake predictions.
		She said, Jim, I'd like you to be on, and I'd like you to be on with people from Berkeley and Stanford and Hayward State and USGS.
		And I said, it's fine with me, but you may have a problem at the other end.
		She said, well, I don't think so.
		Three days later, she called me and said, Jim, I've never seen such animosity in my life.
		They refuse to be on the same time list, the same show with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say, is it a piling on of ridicule?
		Does it piling on?
		Or what's going on?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, back in, I mentioned I missed that first one in April of 1976, the first time I went public, and said, call me back in October.
		And as long as I missed, there was no problem.
		But then when I hit a double header on the first day of my October window, on the day of the eclipse, that's when heavy hitters came in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can see that, of course.
		In other words, if you miss, you just sink to the back of the air and then out from sight altogether.
		But if you hit, then you become a target.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Very much so.
		And then in 1990, I was written up in the Wall Street Journal.
		And, of course, they went to USGS for comments, and one of the geologists said, we've known this fellow for his entire career, and he's been nothing but a clown.
		Now, I'm listed in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in Science and Technology and a bunch of other who's who's.
		And I'm a fellow in the Geological Society of America and a member of the Association of Engineering Geologists and Earthquake Engineering Research Institute and on and on and on.
		And so I'm not a clown at all.
		But that was a little too much.
		Well, I was still a county geologist and they're demeaning me like that.
		So I went to Pete McCloskey, an attorney, and he wrote them a letter.
		And they got off my back.
		It cost me a bundle, but it was worth it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you're nothing but a heartache for them.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		And it's really unfortunate because for the first five years, knowing that I'm not a seismologist nor a geophysicist, I went hand in hand to those professions in a box full of information and said, would you look at this?
		No, we don't have time for that, Jim.
		We have our own studies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then if not jealousy, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put a word to it.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
		They are concerned about their own budgets.
		I'm a threat to their credibility.
		When they missed on the Parkfield earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, they missed big on Parkfield.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And you know, when it actually occurred last September 26th was a day of the full moon.
		I thought that was most ironic.
		But it was about six years late.
		And they lost one-third of their geologists and almost lost their West Coast headquarters, which would have been a really crime.
		I really think the USGS is the finest scientific body in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't they think your body's so great?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I worked for them for six years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I really enjoyed it.
		Fantastic experience.
		And really had thought I would be able to work closely with them for my entire career.
		And that was true until I started predicting earthquakes.
		And even my best friend who went to high school and Berkeley back in the late 70s, he said, Jim, come on, what are you doing?
		Why don't you predict some big quakes?
		And I said, well, we're not having big quakes.
		Why don't I predict quakes around the world?
		Well, I actually tried that in my newsletter for 50 tries.
		I took what I call the monthly outright seismic speculation.
		I just looked at a map or just looked for a hunch.
		I hit four out of 50.
		But the one that I hit was really almost spectacular.
		We took a trip to Egypt, toured up the Nile.
		And the day we arrived, I was in the shadow of the pyramids and saw a fellow reading Al-Aram.
		And I predicted in my newsletter we would have a 4.5 quake or better in Egypt while I was there, the 10 days I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And I mentioned, well, I'm looking to see if you have an earthquake.
		And his eyes widened up and he pointed on the front page, they just had a 5.5 the day we arrived.
		So that was a hit, but it was pure luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're really best off when it comes to actual predictions, predicting for the area where you can gather the information, right?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, exactly.
		And you use the whole battery.
		Anything that works, use it.
		You don't have to understand it even.
		Now, I've done scuba diving in Hawaii and Virgin Islands.
		And when you see the fish down there and they suddenly change direction, 200 fish change instantly and they don't bump into each other.
		Same thing with a flock of birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		How do they do that?
		It has to be electrical.
		Now, when I had a bobcat as a pet, I was with the U.S. Geological Survey.
		He used to go in traffic and drive down there with me.
		And when I'd leave him home, my mother would always say, Jim's coming home.
		Put on the coffee or reheat the dinner.
		He's coming home.
		At irregular hours, irregular days, she would know he's coming home because the bobcat would get up and wait by the front door.
		And I debunked it.
		I just didn't want to, my mom, what does she know?
		She's not a scientist.
		It can't be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's been well proven.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now it's well established.
		In fact, I met the author of At Sonoma Dogs Sonoma When their Owners are coming home.
		That's right.
		And he was at a meeting here in the little town of Sonoma, a book signing about five years ago.
		And I was sitting back in the audience of about 30, 40 people.
		And a question arose after he finished talking.
		They said, well, what about this story about animals being able to predict earthquakes?
		And he said, well, the one person that I know that's most advanced in that is Jim Birkland.
unidentified		And I raised my hand and said, how do you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Parkfield.
		Go back to Parkfield for a moment.
		They really stuck their neck out on that.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what can you tell me?
		I would love to know what information they based that prediction on.
		And I'd also love to know a little of the politics that went into making the decision to publicly make that prediction.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that was a huge political decision, yeah.
		I bet.
		It happened in 1966.
		There were a pair of five and a half magnitude quakes at Parkfield, and I was in Koalinga and got jostled by both of them.
		In fact, I was writing a letter to my wife to be at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Drove me out of the motel, and we all exchanged, you know, well, that was quite a shake.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And then we went back inside, and another 20 minutes, we're outside again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this particular prediction, Jim, how did they make that?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they knew that in 1966 it had happened, in 1934 it had happened, in 1922 it had happened, 1901, all the way back to 1857.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So about every 22 years they were getting a 5.5 to 6.5 magnitude quake there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was historical information?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		22 years, but they had to ignore the fact that in 1922 to 34 it was only 12 years.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But then from 34 to 66, if you added the 12 years and the 30 years, you get 44 divided by 2, you get 22 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me they made this just on historical information?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		They said, well, if the fault is increasing strain at a given rate, it should slip every so often.
		And sure enough, it seemed to do that here.
		So they put instruments from all kinds, drilled holes, and brought in the international crews there waiting to catch that earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they see changes in their instrumentation that indicated it was on the way?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		They had a few false alarms.
		And while I was back east on the Bill Cosby show, they slipped a paper underneath my hotel and it said that the quake had happened.
		They actually had a 4.5.
		And that was not big enough.
		But they thought maybe that's a foreshock.
		And so there was great interest in the six-magnitude quake finally coming.
		But now I understand, with all the instrumentation that's still there, there were almost no clues that anything was up last September, except what was up was the full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the politics like behind the Parkfield prediction?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they had to justify a budget.
		They'd known that the Chinese had predicted a quake in 1975.
		They evacuated the city of Hai Cheng.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it prediction gap?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And so, and then here's another one.
		This one really frosts me.
		They tried to do what the Chinese did with a program called Earthquake Watch.
unidentified		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And I was a member for three years, a four-year program.
		And if your pet or wild animal or farm animal did something really weird, you would assign it a three or a four, and you would call in immediately on the hotline given to you.
		If it was just a zero, one, or two, you'd just sort of fill it in and turn in the monthly report.
		Well, on September 7th, 1980, I saw three things that really made me react.
		One, we had the most missing cats of the entire year, only 14 ads, but that was still most of the year.
		We had the new moon, and the previous new moon had resulted in 25,000 deaths in Algeria, and the previous full moon had resulted in 300 deaths in southern Mexico.
		So we're up to the next syzygy, the new moon on the 7th.
		And then the third factor, I called Olga Kolbeck over at the geyser, Calistoga geyser, the only geyser in California.
		Yes.
		And I'd known that the geyser was slowing down its eruption cycles prior to Northern California quakes.
		So on that noontime, I called her from my office and said, Olga, these things are happening with the cats and the tides.
		What's happening with your geyser?
		Jim, we're about to phone you.
		This morning, it didn't erupt for three hours and 12 minutes instead of the normal 40 minutes.
		That was the all-time record.
		It still stands.
		And I said, oh, it looks like a big one in Northern California.
		I'm going to call USGS and predict it.
		She says, if you don't, I'm going to.
		So I immediately called the hotline.
		He said, based on these three separate factors, I'm calling for a 6.5 or better in Northern California within a week.
		Time-place magnitude.
		We hadn't had a 6.5 for 14 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you call USGS, who do you talk to?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was an automatic tape line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so you left a message.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's recorded.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And so at the end of the year, in the previous two years, I'd gotten a transcript of my hotline calls.
		In 1981, I didn't get my 1980 calls.
		Along about July, I said, did you send those out?
		Oh, you should have had them long ago.
		I'll look into it.
		Nothing happened.
		So in August, I called again.
		Oh, you're meant to check on that.
		Then I got nine of my ten calls, and the nine calls were just saying the dogs howled all night or some fellas told her their cat were doing strange things.
		I didn't make any predictions except that one time.
		Let them draw their own conclusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still call yourself?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But do you know what happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		They said they lost that tape of the mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They lost the tape.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It was mailed all the way from Menlo Park to Palo Alto, which you can spit across the boundary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they had to send it to Rosemary.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And he said we have a tracer on it.
		Sure, a year later, they still had a tracer on it.
		They thought they destroyed the evidence.
		But I had a letter written by my assistant who was on the extension phone, and he knows what went on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and this night, Jim Birkeland, lots of activity going on around the world right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Volcanic, tectonic, lots of shaking, and kind of a feeling of foreboding.
unidentified		good time to have Birkland on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The following may be way outside Jim Birkeland's field, or maybe there's a little bit of scissory here.
		I refer, of course, to the Princeton experiments going on right now with regard to consciousness.
		Now, as we know, they have these eggs planted around the world.
		I referred to them early on in the show.
		These eggs are nothing more than computers that are spitting out random numbers, and that's what they ought to be.
		Random.
		But all of a sudden, before large events on Earth like 9-11, like the Sumatra disaster, and we could go on and on and on back through history, as long as this experiment has been going on at Princeton, these graphs have started to just climb right off the chart prior to these events happening.
		Now, Jim, I wonder if you've heard of this at all, number one, and number two, whether you think it might have some relationship to what you're talking about with animals and with all these other somewhat esoteric things that point toward a big event like an earthquake.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there are so many unknowns.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now, I did hear that engineer back at Princeton talk about random generators and how they could affect them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Just with thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And I've heard about your experiments on changing hurricanes and diverting them to things.
unidentified		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		So we can't rule the things out.
		I've had earthquake dreams that I can't explain, except they happened.
		I've had contact with a number of psychic people, and I know some are legitimate.
		There's just no question.
		So this is most intriguing.
		Now, you know about Charlotte King?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		On my side, she just put something about meteoric fireballs before the major eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980.
		Well, they just had fireballs again up in the northwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And they're called meteoric fireballs.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And they're usually blue, green, or orange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, that's another little piece of scissorgy that may be real.
		Let's go back to the phone.
		So many people waiting to talk to you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Joe.
		Hi.
		First art, I'm sorry to say, or I'd like to say that I'd like the old days, back in the days when you were doing it on a more regular basis, because feeling is a little different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I appreciate my weekend.
unidentified		Another comment regarding that is that I especially like how you maintain the professionalism, especially with guests, that you're not quite sure about for whatever reason.
unidentified		I'm not going to say that about tonight's guest, Jim, at least not until I hear what you have to say about the two things I'd like you to comment on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which are?
unidentified		The first one is I'd like him to explain further about the idea that the core of the Earth is liquid, not a furnace.
		That magma is created by the friction between plates.
		And secondly, I've been waiting a while.
		And secondly, the fact, or my understanding is that sonic booms cause approximately 2.7 magnitude readings on seismometers.
		Can you explain how that's going to be?
		Okay.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll attack both of them.
		Thank you.
		The core of the Earth first, I guess.
unidentified		Okay.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they discovered in the 1930s through seismic waves that there is a solid inner core.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iron, isn't it?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Nickel iron, yes.
		And so it allows the P wave to speed up a little bit, going through the middle of the liquid core, because there's a solid core inside.
		Meanwhile, the S wave can't make it there at all because they can't go through a liquid.
		So they're in that solid core reacting to the liquid core and mantle, apparently, they're spinning in different directions, and that's where we get our magnetic field.
		And if you didn't have a liquid core at all, I guess there wouldn't be a magnetic field.
		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nanosonic booms registering 2.7.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Now, a P wave is really a sound wave traveling through the Earth.
		And it's a push-pull like a slinky.
		In one hand, they give it a jolt, and you can see the wave passing longitudinally through the slinky, and it's a compression rarefaction.
		So when the sound wave hits the ground, it's like an explosion, really.
		And so T waves mostly form underground and come out to the Earth's surface, and then you can hear them in the deep, low-frequency rumble.
		But it works the other way, too.
		And I understand that when they had these experimental planes, there would be a lot of airquakes that the military wouldn't want to admit to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that, in fact, register at about a 2.7 typically or?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would take a pretty big one.
		2.7 is fairly strong.
		But what was interesting is that once it hits the ground, it travels faster in the ground than it does in the air.
		So if it happens off at Santa Monica, they can then...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that, Jim?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That seems illogical.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Not really, because it's the spacing of the molecules.
		They're close together.
		There's like a bunch of pennies in a line.
		You hit one, and remember, and knock the one off the end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's all the difference.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		If you used to notice that swimming in the creek, it would click a couple rocks together, and you could hear it underwater faster than you would hear it in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I ever made that measurement personally, but okay.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Stumbled onto it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Berkeland.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I have four quick questions for you and your guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four might be too many.
unidentified		All right, I'll cut it down to three.
		The first question has to do with the Earth's magnetic field reversing.
		I saw a documentary that says every 300,000 years or more, it flips over from north to south and back to south.
		The north pole goes down, the positive goes to the south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so your question is, is that true or what?
unidentified		Yeah, my question is, would this have an effect on the plates, the electromagnetic phenomena?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would the tectonic plates go nuts if we had a reversal?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		The electromagnetic feel of the Earth, if so.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it goes through a null point.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		When you swift, when the magnetic needle north-seeking suddenly becomes south-seeking, it takes several thousand years for this transition to occur based on studies that we did in the volcanic rocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are others, though, have said they occur quite quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relatively quickly.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, show me an example.
		We have the rock example, and there are very few zones that show transitions.
		But where they do, the ages show it takes several thousand years, like three or four, which means when it goes through a null point, we have no protective ionosphere.
		It means all the cosmic radiation comes booming through, and there's bound to be a lot of genetic changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Second question.
unidentified		My second question has to do with that.
unidentified		I watched a documentary by the U.S. Geological Survey, and they said that the Mississippi River, and the reason why Louisiana is below sea level, was the fact that there was a magnitude 0.12 or 15 earthquake that shifted that part of the United States.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gosh, that wouldn't have been from the U.S. GS.
		There was a magnitude 8, 3 of them, in 1811, 1812 that caused the Mississippi to reverse.
		But Louisiana is not below sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's get something straight right here.
		You read in a lot of science fiction about magnitude 11, 12, 13, 14.
		Are these things either possible or not?
		Is 10 the biggest earthquake that could happen?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		There's no theoretical limit except the strength of the rocks.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		The rocks have to store up strain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And the rocks are going to yield before they reach 11 or 12.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But when the big meteor at Chixilab hit down in Guatemala, Honduras, it was equivalent to about a 15, magnitude 15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But that was extraterrestrial, and the Earth can't store up that much strain to yield that kind of a magnitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so then it's generally thought that anything that would be produced on the Earth or within the Earth would be within that 10 limit.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, less than 10.
		In fact, Richter scale, they never had a 9 Richter, which the 8.9 were a couple of them.
		Now they've upgraded them to 9.2 to 9.5.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Okay.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Berkland.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Dan from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dan.
unidentified		I'm glad to speak to you guys this morning, Jim and Art.
		Or Art and Jim.
		Yes.
		One thing is I'd like to be sympathetic to Jim and tell him that his job has to be like looking outside of a soundproof window, and you're trying to yell at the person that there's a tidal wave coming, and they're only looking at your gestures of jumping up and down and not hearing what you're trying to say.
		And I hope that you do be able to sleep at night because you can't save the world.
		And the reason why I think that it's such a problem for you is that it's life versus economics.
		If you try to get to a large TV station and tell people what's going to happen, what would you do?
		And here's a question within itself.
		What would you do if you could get on Channel 10 at 5 o'clock and warn everyone?
		Are we saying evacuate a whole city?
		What's the cost of that?
		Where are we going to put them?
		Or are you telling them to prepare?
		And isn't it awful like knowing that that's like somebody from across the field shooting a bullet and in three days to four days it may hit you?
		Is it more like that?
		That's why maybe they don't want us to know.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Just view me as a meteorologist recognizing a low-pressure cell developing out in the Atlantic and saying, watch it.
		Let's see what other clues are Coming.
		You can make your own decisions if you're going to board up your windows or not and evacuate, but you're not going to evacuate for an earthquake.
		That just is not practical.
		There's too many problems that would develop.
		The traffic couldn't move.
		But, you know, I urge people to check the seismic windows when the maximum tides are occurring and then watch for the local effects.
		If you have, in San Jose, for example, here was this formerly artesian well that hadn't been artesian for 25 years.
		It suddenly began to flow so rapidly, it was flooding out the neighborhood.
		And so the city fathers came out and put a stop on the top, and it blew it, blew the cork.
		So they put a stronger cap on it, and they walked away and figured their job was done.
		It was April 17, 1906, the day before the big one hit San Francisco.
		So there are these kinds of clues that develop, and if people just turn their back on them, they're never going to recognize them.
		And so I'm just keeping...
		I'm very happy with what I'm doing and very comfortable with myself.
		I went to the Great Pyramid, and when I came out of the Great Pyramid, I suddenly realized what it's all about.
		Why are we here?
		We are here to seek our purpose and strive to achieve it.
		Anything less is a waste of existence.
		And that just took a whole load off me.
		I said, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's important that you be comfortable with what you're doing because it's very controversial.
		And without that comfort, there'd be a lot of rough moments.
		No question about it, Jim.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you, I just got somebody named Woody and Astoria says, brief little message on my website.
		Has Jim just lent credibility to Art Bell?
		You've got the problem, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jim.
		You're on the air with Jim Birkland.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, guys.
		I'm calling from Toronto, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And my question is, I believe it must have been your guest I saw on a television special.
		It was, I believe, studying a volcano actually in volcano somewhere in Italy.
		Anyway, there were some seismologists and volcanologists who were commenting that studying a volcano using satellites and other remote electronics equipment is good enough, but to actually climb in a volcano and study it is really just foolish and just being a bare-chested, silly, silly macho type person.
		So I'm wondering specifically, how much importance do you suggest in studying volcanoes actually in the volcano rather than just using remote electronics?
		Actually smelling the smoke, hearing the faint rumblings, timing them apart in person.
		How important is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How important is it to go down into a volcano to study it, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Not very important for me.
		I've never done that and wouldn't plan to do it.
		We have plenty of robots that will handle that now and fly over.
		The only volcanic flows I've seen were, you know, as they were entering the ocean and pouring over in little solid waterfalls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you don't want to find a tube to crawl into at St. Helens?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		No, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I guess the answer is instruments will do, sir.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I've got two questions.
		I guess one might be a little outside of Jim's realm, but the first is, does he have any, like, I guess, stats, for lack of a better term?
		I mean, just to believe what he's saying, but to lean credibility.
		Like, say you predicted 180 of hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Exactly.
		What is your hit and miss rate, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't even bothered.
		It's around 70 to 75 percent in the last 30 years.
		I haven't counted them all up lately.
		There are literally a couple of thousand predictions, and I've hit about 70 percent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		70 percent, sir.
		How's that?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But come to my website.
		Visit my website and subscribe to my newsletter, and you'll get the exact details.
		I gave the figures on the Puget soundquakes.
		Oh, by the way, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So anyway, that's an important question.
		This is an important question for your own credibility.
		And you're saying it's right around 70%, right?
		That's a big item.
		Does that answer your question, Color?
unidentified		Yeah, I have one other question too, and it might be a little, But the whole concept of a hurricane is that it's a condensed eye.
unidentified		Couldn't you just blow that eye up, suck the oxygen out of that eye, and collapse the hurricane on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it is out of your field, Jim.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's a low pressure.
		The lowest pressures they get is around 26 inches in the middle of an eye of a hurricane.
		But I think maybe they were already doing that with HARP and chemtrails and Lord knows what else.
		I think there's a lot of weather experimentation going on that we don't even know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, no doubt.
		No doubt.
		A lot of weather experimentation, I'm sure, is ongoing.
		How are you just going to continue at about the same rate making predictions the way you have been in the newsletter?
		Or do you have plans that go beyond that now or what?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've had a number of people that are going to write my life story or they're going to set up a new program and they all seem to drop out once they talk to high science.
		High science just doesn't have any time for me.
		And it's we'll see what happens after the book is released here in December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, high science isn't doing so very well themselves in the prediction category.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Twelve predictions I knew about and none have hit.
		And so I think it was pretty frustrating for them.
		And obviously I have hit so many to a television crew.
		I was on front line and made predictions for a local quake and a major quake around the world and hit both of them on the on the camera.
		And those were carried.
		And we shall see now that.
		Oh, by the way, I want to try again.
		People want to send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, but I want them to put a couple of dollars in there to make it worth more while I will send them a sample copy of my newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you send a couple bucks?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Easy enough.
		Jim Burkeland.
		Spell it any way you want.
		P.O. Box, 1926 in the little town of Glenn, Ellen.
		Two words, G-L-E-N-E-L-L-E-N, California.
		And the zip code is 95442.
		A business-sized, self-addressed, stamped envelope with a couple dollars in it, and I'll be happy to send them a sample copy of my newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's certainly fair enough.
		And also, there are going to be many people who just heard that and said, damn it, I didn't have a pencil or something.
		So I'll tell you what, folks.
		We'll take a break right here.
		And when we come back, we'll repeat that information for you.
		So that will give you an opportunity to go and get a pen, pencil, and paper, because I know you didn't have it ready.
		Now you will have no excuse.
		Get that pencil.
		Get that paper right now.
unidentified		It don't come easy.
		You know it don't come easy.
		It don't come easy.
		You know it don't come easy.
		But to pay your dues, you want to sing the blues.
		And you know it don't come easy.
		You don't have to shout, oh please.
		The louds, you can't even play them easy.
		Get a loud run, man.
		And all your sorrow.
		You tell us that.
		I can't stop this feeling.
		He pens out on me.
		Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me.
		When you hold me in your arms so tight.
		You let me know everything's all right.
		I'm hooked on a feeling.
		I'm high on believing.
		That you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy.
		It's tasty, it's on my mind.
		Girl, you got me thirsty.
		For another cup of wine.
		Got a part from you, girl.
		But I don't need a cure.
		I just stay up again.
		If I can, for sure.
		Oh, oh, oh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rocking through the night this night with Jim Birklund.
		He predicts earthquakes, much to the dismay of the USGS and some others, but he does it rather successfully at about, what, 78%?
		That's pretty good in my book.
unidentified		That's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, as promised, hopefully you've gathered together writing implements and such, and to get a free copy, well, not free, a couple bucks, you know, for shipping and licking and whatever.
		A couple of bucks for Jim's newsletter, and you can decide for yourself.
		And we promised you that address, so you could now write it down that you're armed and ready.
		Go ahead, Jim.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's the old box, 1926.
		Four years before I was born.
		1926.
		Glenn Ellen, G-L-E-N-E-L-L-E-N.
		California.
		The zip is 95442.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you personally put them all in the envelope and licked those envelopes shut.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm the one.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It took me about three months to do that last time.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But that was for free.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		When I asked for a couple of bucks, the numbers go way down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I can imagine there would be a difference, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People love that word free.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, if you have a really good record of predicting earthquakes, then people will pay attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sure there'll be some dollars on the way.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go right to the website.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		We summarize the predictions each month on the website, but there's a lot more information that goes into the eight-page newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
		Well, let's go here.
		You're on the air with Jim Berklund.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I was going to ask if Mr. Berklin had mentioned he Had a business phone number that he was going to give out to make information available to him.
unidentified		And the other was about the Puget Sound area that he was about to give you information on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to give out some phone numbers?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just have my own personal phone.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		But go to my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to Give out your personal phone number?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do it.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's on my website.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		If you go to trouble getting the website, you'll see it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
		Thank you.
		That's amazing.
		All right.
		And then the Puget Sound area, right, ma'am?
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		He was about to, he was very excited to tell you something about it when you were discussing his correct hits, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they just had one at Olympia of 3.3 today, and I predicted a 3 or better in Washington, Oregon.
		So that's a 100% hit.
		And I just had compiled the list of all of the quakes in that area since the year 2000.
		There were 22 quakes that exceeded 3.0, and 18 of the 22 were in a window, as was this one.
		So the numbers are very favorable to maximum tidal periods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may well be that there is nothing in this category right now, but it always bears asking, Jim, do you see any you know, people obviously are concerned about the bigger earthquakes.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I fully understand that for your to establish credibility for what you do, you have to get them big and small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But are there any big ones coming?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, everyone's concerned about the northwest and that Cascadia trench where the nine-plus magnitude quake hit on January 26th of 1700.
		Interesting how they came up with that.
		They knew the Indian legends about the big wave that came in and the villages that were destroyed.
		Well, geologists have mapped ups and downs of the seacoast there and forests that were buried and salt waves that come in and killed, kind of poisoned the soils.
		But then in Japan, where they had written records for that time of 1700, there was this mysterious tsunami that came in and killed several hundred Japanese.
		And so they had the records, and we had the other kind of records.
		Approximately, you know, 300 years ago, we knew that that was true, and so their date.
		They gave it three days to travel across the Pacific.
		And so whenever the tsunami hit them, they subtracted three days, and it ends up as June 26th.
		And I've looked at the old tides there, and then that was at a time in between two huge tides.
		It was in a semi-quiet period between two maximum tides, Parigian spring tides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question was, do you see any big earthquakes coming?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But just when?
		See, we have to.
		If you suddenly get mass beachings of whales and dolphins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but so apparently you don't see anything immediate that you want to.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
		I would tell you if I had something in particular.
		Now, I'm troubled like you are about all of these animal reports.
		And we heard about the thing about solar flares have picked up during this period when they're not supposed to be happening.
		We've had some northern lights, and we had this fireball.
		And going back through a lot of records, there were surprising how many times there's a mention of a fireball prior to a big quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Jim Berkland.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, actually.
		Good evening, and aloha from Paradise here in Hilo.
		All right.
		Yes.
		Yes, I live in the shadows.
		This is Rich calling from Hilo, by the way.
		And I am living in the shadows, basically the largest volcanic range on Earth.
		At least that's what they tell us here.
		Mauna Kea is just about 20 miles away from the harbor here.
		And I moved here about a year ago from San Luis, Obispo, where I had just had experienced my first 6.5 in December 03, Jim, if you can recall that.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		22nd.
unidentified		It was a pretty good shake.
		I was living right on the beach there.
		And I haven't felt even nothing here in the Gilo area.
		However, there are an awful lot of USGS vans and trucks and quite a few personnel that come down in the Gilo area that I just assume they're over in the Volcano National Park up in Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa.
		My question being, I haven't felt anything in almost a year here, and I'm wondering, what's your take on the predictions and the possibilities of something here on the Big Island?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm really haven't felt one of the fours they've had there in the last few weeks.
		You know, Hawaii, the Big Island is the shakiest island in Hawaii.
		And of all of the states, if you take the area involved, Hawaii is the number one shaky state more than California or Alaska because of its area.
		The chances of feeling a quake in Hawaii are much greater than any place in California or Alaska.
		Just in general.
		But yes, as to a really big one, they're mostly concerned about what might happen over on the eastern rift zone and a big landslide, a submarine landslide might cause a local tsunami.
		And, of course, we're going to be over there in June, so maybe you can set up something for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I think I once asked you, and it was kind of an interesting answer, as I recall, if you could be at the site of a very large earthquake, would you do it?
		Would you go there?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I wouldn't be on top of the county building as I was for the Loma Pieta quake.
		That's the only quake of the 80-plus that I have felt, the only one that ever frightened me.
		I didn't think the building was going to withstand it.
		It was moving back and forth about five feet.
		My office was a shambles, all my rocks and books that toppled over facing east and they opened.
		I couldn't see the floor, shelves dropping.
		It was quite an experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I lived 10 years of my life on the island of Okinawa, Jim, and I went through a lot of really big earthquakes.
		And I would have no desire whatsoever to experience another one.
		And I have experienced several.
		We had a pretty good one here in the desert, as you know, a number of years ago.
		You called me right after it.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air With Jim Berkland.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Pleasure speaking to you.
		And Jim, enjoyed and learned a lot from the both of you over the years here.
		A comment and a quick question.
		I have, you're a cat man.
		I'm a ferret man.
		I have several ferrets, and it was interesting about a week ago, they began behaving very, very strangely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ferret misbehavior.
unidentified		Well, I don't know if it was misbehavior.
		All I know is I didn't feel it, but my brother did in Boston.
		I guess there was a quake up in Quebec.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, 5.1 or 5.2.
unidentified		I mean, I'm 60 miles south of Lake Erie, so I don't know about...
		You know, that was the one thing.
		And then the other thing is, I heard your other fireworks buddy call art.
		I'm a pyrotechnician, and basically we did a build a 36-inch diameter shell and fired it at a big competition up here in our area.
		And the gas company actually brought a seismologist in because about two miles away, I guess they had an underground line running.
		And they were actually worried that this thing coming out of the mortar would affect two miles away their gas line.
		Would the waves would there be that easily, Jim, the transmission of the force of, you know, it was about a 970-pound shell that we popped about 2,000 feet in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that show up seismically, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that would vibrate the ground for sure.
		And I can understand why they might be a little concerned, especially if their gas line was in weak materials and might have a little liquefaction and fissures.
		It doesn't hurt to instrument when you're having a blast like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Jim.
		I wanted to salute your credibility rather than take any away from it.
		Okay, and I'll give a cross-disciplinary example.
		You and I go back about the same time in birth, and this is Rich from Lawrence, Kansas.
		But back when the Earth was cooling, I worked as a grad student and actually lived there as part of my pay at Northwestern University Dearborn Observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I thought you were saying you were here when the Earth was cooling.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I just think that I was born back when the Earth was cooling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But anyway, this was before J. Allen Hynek was even there.
		And Emmanuel Velikovsky's book came out, Worlds in Collision.
		And the chairman at the time not only panned it, but that's all they could talk about.
		We thought the gentleman spoke too much.
		And then they wrote letters to the publisher, who I think was one of Bennett Cerf's subsidiaries, and forced them to stop publishing it with the threat that they wouldn't adopt textbooks.
		And so, you know, Velikovsky later turned out to be right.
		And of course, another publisher did take it up.
		I think it was Holt or somebody like that.
		But also, I wanted to also your credibility again.
		My dad barely missed being killed in the great Galveston tidal wave.
		And I won't go into the story by why he wasn't, except I wouldn't be here otherwise.
		And the estimate then was 30,000 killed in one day.
		It's in the newspapers.
		We have photos of the newspapers and all.
		And yet now you go and read about it more and more by the more recent experts, and they've got it down to 6,000.
		And I just wondered if you ever studied that phenomenon at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were talking about the rewriting of history of calamities and mass deaths and the numbers involved and how they shift and change so strangely, right, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and there was another big hurricane in the Keys where they had some kind of unemployed people were put to work down there and they didn't really take care of them.
		And there were many, many killed.
		A big hurricane there that they knew was coming but didn't pay that much attention to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on here with Jim Berkland.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Jacob from Preston.
		Hi, Jim.
		Hey, hi.
		I have a quick question.
		Has anyone thought about the possibility of earthquakes on the moon or Mars?
		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, I know it sounds far-fetched, but you have to believe.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, not at all.
unidentified		If there's earthquakes on planet Earth.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because that was one of the first things that turned me around back in 1975.
unidentified		And if NASA plans to build and President Bush wants to go to Mars and the Moon, they better start listening to guys like you because we're going to invest a lot of money on there.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing is, the strongest quake they ever measured on the moon was about a 4.8.
		Most of them are just ones and twos.
		But the thing is, they almost all occur once a month when the Earth and Moon are closest as parigy.
		And as they say, there's no serious alternative to a tidal explanation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we know enough about the interior of the moon, Jim, to understand the dynamics of what's going on under there?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't have a magnetic field today.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It used to have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		And so it almost certainly doesn't have a liquid core, and it doesn't have active volcanoes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't have moving plates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what the heck's earthquaking?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's the stress from the Earth.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		From the gravity from the Earth at perigee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is moving.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		It's actually deforming the Moon.
		You know, it's moving up and down.
		In fact, the solid Earth goes up and down about three feet under the full moon.
		And that's enough.
		That's why the gravity is also effective away from the ocean tides, because there's an Earth tide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying the Earth bulges Out three feet.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		The moon pulls it up, deforms it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never noticed that.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I didn't know it either when I first got into earthquake predictions.
		I just sort of surmised that since the ocean water was going up and down, probably the solid earth was going up and down too, and that could trigger quakes.
		And that's what got me into this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they have confirmed this now.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		They can actually.
		Satellite nature with gravimeters.
		The gravity of the Earth decreases when you get further away from the core, from the center of the Earth.
		And they can actually see within two hours of the full moon, the Earth bulges up.
		And oceanizing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's scary to even think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really weird.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you know, but Io, the closest satellite to Jupiter, it goes up and down about 300 feet every IO day.
		And all that fluction generates magma.
		They have sulfur volcanoes on the satellite Io.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fliction is heat.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		Very quickly, East of the Rockies, you're on air with Jim Berkelund.
		Hi.
elena in winnipeg ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, and good morning to you gentlemen.
		Thank you for taking my call, Art.
		I wanted to ask Jim about when they dig into...
		I've had multiple injuries, and that's one of the reasons.
		Plus, I've lived on the West Coast, and I've felt earthquakes, and I've been over in Europe, and I know the feeling in the big cities with the underground and like the trains and that that are underground.
		And when they tunnel underground like that, and they're putting an underground tunnel, does that have any effect elsewhere on the earth?
		Like if there's tunneling going on, would that be in the county building?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		We're on the seventh floor, and all the women especially began to complain they were feeling earthquakes.
		Well, it turns out they were building the electric rail and the jackhammers out in the street were vibrating up the columns of the building a few, you know, 50 yards away and vibrating the building.
		And so after they finished the jackhammers, the little microquakes ended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, and there are people, though, that are also sensitive in the way she described, aren't they?
		Right, no doubt.
		Is there one single place where these people report their feelings, Jim?
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Well, right on my site.
		We have it for sensitives.
		We have it for dreamers.
		Just go to my site, syzygyjob.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dot anything, really.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dot anything.
		So I have places for phenomena, earthquake sensitives, seismic sentries with the pets and animals.
		Frank Condon is a scientist that measures electric fields in Southern California, and he has a site here.
		And we have places just to ask questions of me.
		Earthquake sensitives, phenomena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we've got a link on our site right now, and I'm sure a number of people are going to make it there.
		Jim, we're out of time.
		It has been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.
		It always is.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		I really enjoyed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And seismically yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, buddy.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
jim berkland ▲ ● ▼		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		And here she is.
		All the right words to get us out of here.
		It's been a great weekend.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you next weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until then, from the high deserts, good night.
unidentified		Good night in the desert.
		Shooting stars across the sky.
		It's magical day.
		Protect the starboard.
		Filled with belonging, searching for the truth.
		But we make it to tomorrow when the sun shine on you.

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