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March 13, 2005 - Art Bell
02:54:19
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jim Berkland - Seismic Update
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good
morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all the world's time zones, every single
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This very unusual program called Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
It is my distinct pleasure and honor to be guiding you through the weekend.
Right off the bat, before I even get to any world news, I want to get this on the air just in case.
This is one of those just in case things.
Kathy, wherever Kathy is out there, I don't think it's Woodbridge, Kathy, but you never know, says, hey Art, At Princeton, the eggs are going bonkers tonight.
If you get a chance, check them out.
So I did go up there to the Princeton site and did kind of check it out, and I don't have a good reference.
However, there is a one page on the Princeton site where you can actually monitor the individual eggs and their activity, and it did seem To be really cooking, really cooking along.
And some of the numbers for this date seemed like they were through the roof.
So, maybe I've got that all wrong.
Some of the rest of you can take a look and let me know what you think about the Princeton eggs tonight.
But, just in case, the little hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.
And this, you know, this would seem to confirm that.
So if something is about to happen, Then maybe you heard it here first, I don't know.
Maybe nothing, huh?
I'm just telling you that they did seem extremely active.
Now, what's going on in the world otherwise?
Well, not much good.
The man who fatally shot seven people during a quiet church service You know, just the fact that in this day and age we're getting to the point where I think we're getting used to hearing things like this.
The guy who shot seven people at a quiet church service before finally turning the gun on himself was apparently on the verge of losing his job, as well he was upset over a sermon he heard a couple of weeks ago.
It's just that I think we're getting used to hearing these kind of headlines and, uh, sorts of headlines, and we were getting hardened.
A little cynical.
The hostage who helped end the 26-hour manhunt for the man accused of killing a judge and three others apparently had long talks with her captor during the 13 hours she was held in her own apartment.
Please say she conducted herself very well.
I wonder if she actually talked the hostage-taker out of what he was doing is so really
good job israel's cabinet on sunday
confirms it is going to dismantle twenty-four illegal west bank settlement outpost but did
not say whether they'd be removed and evaded any sort of decision are at all on
the rest of the eighty-one
that are out there the walt disney corporation
this is interesting said sunday it's president robert eiger will succeed michael eisner as chief executive
and that i was there will leave his post a year earlier than previously
announced and
And this one should certainly vibrate a little bit for you.
China's national legislature on Monday overwhelmingly approved a law, this is a law, authorizing a military attack to stop Taiwan from pursuing formal independence.
That's the day after the president in Taiwan told the 2.5 million member People's Liberation Army, that would be of China rather, to be prepared for war.
The measure was approved by a vote of, hmm, a lot of dissent here, 2,896 to zero.
With two abstentions.
eight hundred and ninety six to zero
with two extensions haha
two extensions are on the uh... last day of the figurehead national people's
congress annual session
i love that vote that's when you can tell you're in the presence of real
freedom two thousand eight hundred ninety six to go to war
zero opposing two extensions and they're now hanging from flagpoles model
i don't know about the last of that probably
Thank you.
There is a very good reason tonight, folks, to have Jim Birkland on the program.
The amount of news right now about seismic activity in volcanoes is absolutely overwhelming.
Mount St.
Helens may not be the only northwest volcano spitting lava these days.
A scientific SWAT team from Seattle is sailing this afternoon, this was an article on, I think, the 5th, for a spot off the Vancouver Island area where they suspect an underwater eruption is underway now.
We really don't know what to expect, said Edward Baker, an oceanographer at the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
If we're lucky, We might get pictures of brand new lava on the seafloor.
Now that would be, I guess, scientific luck, but I don't know if it'd be luck for the people of the Northwest.
Their observations will, of course, help improve understanding of the Juan de Fuca Plague, a tectonic time bomb capable of producing earthquakes and tsunamis on par with the disaster that struck the Indian Ocean in December.
A baker said it's been going on long enough now that we're pretty sure lava is moving.
We're about to go to open lines.
I've got a little more just ahead, but open lines for the rest of this hour and then of course Jim Birkland
All right a few more items Again, really in the same category.
This is a really good night for Jim Birkland.
As you know, there was a fireball that moved very slowly over the Northwest just before 8 o'clock last night, and there was also a concurrent earthquake.
It was perhaps just before, maybe 10 minutes before, about 3.3 Downtown Seattle also experienced a brief power outage all at about the same time.
And from Whitley Streber's Unknown Country, there's also a lot of news about all of this.
An earthquake swarm, of course, off the coast of Oregon that I already mentioned.
And just all kinds of activity going on all over the world.
Here's a story about a supervolcano.
There are enough supervolcanoes on Earth to wipe out much of the planet, and they may wake up much sooner than we thought, says the story.
Supervolcanoes explode with a force that is thousands of times that of a normal volcanic eruption.
Earthquake experts once thought That it would perhaps take hundreds of thousands of years for the reservoirs of molten rock called magma lying beneath the supervolcano, any supervolcano, to build up enough to pressure, enough pressure to cause an eruption.
But a few studies show that the time between eruptions can actually be only tens of thousands of years, meaning that a lot of them may be long overdue.
And here's a story about a double volcanic eruption in eastern Russia.
Acquired from orbit 800 kilometers away, the Envisat image shows two volcanoes erupting simultaneously on Russia's snowy Kamchatka Peninsula this week.
Located in the Russian Far East, the peninsula is a landscape covered with volcanoes, part of the Pacific Ring of Fire, and these Two volcanoes apparently are going off at exactly the same time.
So all kinds of earthquake-type news going on.
I definitely want to get this in.
This is insane, in my opinion.
The fur is going to fly when cat lovers hear about Mark Smith's idea.
Perhaps you've already heard about it.
This Wisconsin hunter and firefighter Wants stray cats classified as an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody with a small game license.
Smith welcomes wild birds onto his property, but if he sees a cat, he thinks the invasive, that's the word, invasive animals should be considered fair game.
48-year-old firefighter from La Crosse, Wisconsin has proposed that hunters in Wisconsin Make free-roaming domestic cats an unprotected species that could be shot by anybody at will with a small game license.
What a bad idea.
Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
I mean a pet would get loose perhaps and wander into his area and away they go.
I would think making it open season on Either dogs or cats.
First of all, how would you know if they're wild or not?
You wouldn't.
And even if they are, certainly I would think you would not want to shoot them.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, this is Phil calling from Virginia.
One of your truck driving friends here.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Coming off the scale.
Last night we had Willie on talking about biodiesel.
You can go into a little more detail on that.
You said you have a diesel pusher motorhome, right?
I do, yes.
You can run it on straight vegetable oil.
Well, apparently so.
Or something grown by a farmer.
All kinds of things.
I'd like to give it a try, actually.
We're going to find a place and we're going to give it a shot.
Well, it's a little bit different than biodiesel.
This is just stuff that you dump right in there off the shelf.
I've heard that.
Somebody actually called me last night and said he ran out of fuel and went in and got some oil.
Dumped it into the tank and it worked.
I have an old Mercedes diesel that I run on vegetable oil all the time.
Really?
That's also what Willie does.
Not on vegetable oil, but on biodiesel.
The whole concept is fascinating and if it really can be done, Then come on, let's think about it a little bit.
It would help the American farmer, right?
Tremendously.
It would help all of us because we need not chase after all this very expensive, both in terms of money and lives, foreign oil.
And we can begin doing it right now.
I mean, right now, if you're a trucker, there's not a thing in the world.
If there's any drawback to some of these diesel mixtures, it's that in cold weather, or if you let it sit for a very long time, it might congeal in some way.
But in the case of a truck driver, you know, where that truck is constantly in use, no problem.
Fill her up.
Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
I was kind of interested in what you said about the small game license and cat hunting.
I wonder if that license would include inner city use.
You could fire your gun in the city, but only if you're aiming at a cat.
I don't think so.
And then where would it stop?
I don't think you're allowed to fire a gun inside the city when it's under any conditions.
Yeah, I'm sure if you got the right politician, maybe he'd make the exception, but then you'd have to wonder where it would stop.
Could you shoot at the dog that's chasing your cat?
And how about the guy that beats his dog with a 2x4?
I mean, pretty soon we could actually rationalize murder.
Well, in my opinion, sir, that's what that is.
Rationalizing murder.
Setting up such a thing where you could shoot at cats.
Yes, I used the right word.
Murder.
Well, you can't murder an animal.
Well, I think you can.
It has been my considered opinion for a very, very long time.
That cats and dogs and other animals as well, mammals, have souls.
If we have souls, then I think they have souls.
If we don't have souls, then I suppose they don't have souls.
Or maybe they have souls and we don't.
I don't know.
Honestly, all fun aside, I think that most attributes that you can give to a human, minus the speech part of course, you will see in animals, if you live with them closely, You will see personality traits that are undeniably human-like.
Jealousy, anger, joy, being curious, awareness of self.
I have seen all of these things.
And so, what constitutes a soul?
Some would say self-awareness, some would say humor even.
Some of these other emotions that I talked about.
These are all the things that come together to make a human.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, all right.
I'm very glad to be able to talk to you.
I really enjoy the program you and George have going on there.
Thank you.
It is a little different, isn't it?
It is very interesting.
It's most interesting.
I stay awake till you guys go off at night just to be able to listen to you.
I got a couple little things if you don't mind.
One was about Willie Nelson with his diesel fuel.
Yes.
About probably 15, 20 years ago, it would have to be a little bit longer now because I lived in Kentucky at the time, I had a rubber neoprene hose on my transmission line.
Right.
And I lived in a very rural area in West Virginia, Kentucky area down there right on the line.
And they had no transmission fluid.
So I put me a quart of I never had a lick of problems out of that car and nothing
at all and it worked just as good as the oil transplant would work.
Now isn't that something?
It's really amazing how stuff like that, I figured you know it's some sort of oil so
I figured what the heck you know I had to get it home anyway and it worked.
Well, with my luck, I would have done something like that, and I would have gone to the mechanic and he'd say, well, I'm sorry, Art, you've done $4,000 worth of damage.
But you're saying it works just fine, huh?
Yeah, it worked perfectly.
You couldn't even tell no difference.
Another little thing I wanted to say, too, is I talked to my brother today, and I've been thinking about this every time I hear a lot of your programs on here.
Back probably ten years ago, he had surgery on his back and he was in the hospital so I called him to see how he was doing and when he moved to answer the phone, he broke his stitches loose and he started bleeding.
He said, Paul, he says, by the way, my name is Paul.
I'm from Detroit area and he said, Paul, he says, I'm bleeding really bad.
Blood squirting all across the room.
I said, well, man, call her for a nurse real quick.
And he says, a few seconds later, he says, I see Mommy.
Her mom had passed away in 1980, and he said he'd seen Mommy sitting there, and was just, you know, there.
And I asked him about that again today, and he says, oh yeah, I remember that as plain as day.
And I just wanted to mention that to you, that the spirits are out there.
But maybe it's just that we have to reach a certain condition uh... to see them in his case uh... he was losing blood rapidly and who knows what kind of condition he was really in I don't know I guess that takes me in a way back to last night's program doesn't it and then the nature of the soul and all these metaphysical things that seem to go on uh... west of the Rockies you're on the air good morning uh... good uh... morning how you doing okay uh... this is Suleiman from Vancouver yes sir okay i wanted to uh...
Make mention over the fact that these scenarios that are happening across the United States and the world, where the number four is starting to arise, especially in cases with Brian Nichols and the RCMP officers that were killed in Alberta.
What's special about four?
Well, just before the 9-11 incident in 2001, over a six-month period, there were similar situations that occurred in the United States.
Well, I hope not.
there were murder situations situations of accidental death but the number four kept coming up
and it's a demonic number and it has to do with something that is about to happen
and i believe it's going to happen either with north korea or china
uh... were both countries have nuclear weapons and if we go to war with them
i believe that the possibility of los angeles being at ground zero
is a reality well i hope not a lot of my friends are in los angeles
and uh... i would hate to see them uh...
be at ground zero i do wonder about
taiwan and what would occur if
well you know what it's it seems like it's about to occur are we going to go to the aid of taiwan if taiwan
pushes on this independence china has just had this uh...
really democratic vote
who read that again i was great i served as stumbled across that as i was reading it
Bye.
Here we go.
You ready?
They just had a vote in China.
This is a vote to go to war should Taiwan continue to press for independence.
The vote was 2,896 to 0 with two abstentions.
You've got to wonder what's happened to the abstentions.
They're probably not well right now.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes.
I can barely hear you, sir.
Turn your radio off, please.
uh... that that part of the part of all i'll just ask and i'm part of a little
bit and uh... reference last night
and the product that were heard
and the red web Yes.
I got an email about that.
Yes.
Okay.
Did you get one from me?
Probably did.
I would imagine I did, sir.
I get... If you knew how many emails... Anyway, I get a lot of email.
Okay.
This is my first time calling.
I've been listening to you for many, many years.
Did you hear the sonic booms?
Yes, I did.
Did they figure out what they were?
I have no idea.
First, I thought it was thunder, but then I got thinking, no, there's not there to be thunder.
I live in Northeast Ohio, and I'm thinking, what is this thunder?
And I didn't really put sonic booms to it until the fellow contacted you about having sonic booms in Washington or Oregon.
Yeah, well, actually, also across the Midwest, very close to you, so...
A lot of strange things going on lately.
A very great deal of volcanic activity.
Earthquake activity.
Magma moving beneath the ground.
And earthquakes sort of a threatening.
And then we've got these eggs apparently going berserk at Princeton.
I wonder if that's real.
I'd like a check on that.
Any of you have access to the information?
Fast blast me what you know from the high desert in the middle of the night.
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
This is a video of the Coast to Coast AM.
Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so till the factory's bought the sun out, and you're gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
And then the lights are gonna be neon, sayin' fly our jets to paradise
And the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene So listen, Wilma Brothers, when you hear the knife inside
And you see the waddles flyin' through the great polluted sky
There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll
Cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul
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Anything you want to talk about, absolutely sure.
Again, coming up at the top of the hour, we're going to find out about all this shaking and magma and tectonic activity.
Jim Berkman's going to be here.
So if you've been wondering what's going on, the weight will be but a small one.
Alright, let's rock and roll.
First time caller lined, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Morning, Rob Hart.
Hi.
That bill about the cats.
Oh, the cats.
Yeah, we're talking about mostly feral cats.
Barn cats.
Really?
Just out of curiosity, I take it you're in favor of it.
Well, I may be.
How do you tell the difference?
At a distance, how do you know it's a feral cat?
Well, you're not supposed to shoot anything with a collar on it.
That's in the bill.
Well, I know, but a lot of house pets don't necessarily have collars.
What are you doing shooting in your house?
I beg your pardon?
You shouldn't be shooting anywhere in your house.
I didn't say anything about a house, sir.
I just said a lot of cats don't have collars, even ones that are out wandering around.
They could still be house pets.
Well, yeah, I understand.
I do understand that, and I feel bad for you.
Well, then, if you understand that, then how could you possibly be in favor of it?
You could be shooting people's pets.
I'll tell you that.
How about feral dogs?
Shoot it?
You'd shoot them, you're saying?
Yeah, I would.
You'd shoot feral dogs, and you'd shoot feral cats?
Yes, I would.
And I can tell you why on the cats especially.
Why?
Why any more of the cats than the dogs?
Well, the more of the cats is because we've done, our own DNR has done studies about it.
DNR?
What's that?
That's our Department of Natural Resources.
Where are you?
I'm in Wisconsin.
Oh, that's where the bill is too.
Well, your little house cat, you've got to look at it.
It's a cat.
Whether it's your little house cat or a big lion, they're pretty much the most successful predator on the planet.
And they kill more small games than any other natural predator out there combined.
That's really what's at the heart of it.
But really at the heart of the heart of it is that you couldn't know if you were shooting a house cat or a house cat that got out or a feral cat.
You can't tell me.
You can tell the difference at a distance.
You just can't.
Again, it's up to the owner of the cat to make sure it has a collar on it.
Well, I suppose... That's no different than a leash claw.
Then you should be in favor of shooting feral anythings.
I'm not saying that, Art.
Well, what about... I just wanted you to understand... What about those poor damn worms?
I mean, the birds are... Do you know how they suck up those worms, sir?
I mean, they slaughter worms by the millions.
Alright, goodbye.
Figures somebody's going to call in favor of that right away.
Wild Card Line, brother, you're on the air.
Hello?
Good morning, Mr. Bell.
How are you doing, sir?
I'm doing all right.
Okay, good deal.
Listen, I was wanting to know about the Princeton eggs.
I haven't really heard any specific details.
I've just heard loose mentionings of it here and there.
What exactly kind of eggs are they?
Okay, they call them eggs.
They're really just computers.
And these computers are scattered around the world at tons and tons of different locations.
And these computers are all spitting out random numbers.
And when these numbers stop becoming so random, alarm bells go off.
And when a lot of the eggs start reporting non-random numbers, big alarm bells go off.
And they've got a long history now.
You know, for example, the earthquake and then tsunami produced a gigantic off-the-chart result, as did 9-11, other big world events.
Interesting thing, sir, that it went off the chart anywhere from an hour Thirty minutes to three hours before the event happened.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
And also, if you could, if it's convenient for you, you could ask the guest about the volcanoes.
I would try to call in, but calling in later on in the evening would be near impossible.
Is there any way that a volcanic eruption could be prevented?
Because volcanic eruption, excuse me, is basically when the magma builds up and it can't stand the pressure anymore, right?
Well, I had an idea, personally.
In fact, actually I've got two ideas that I'd like to run by people tonight.
One concerned volcanoes, and that was when you had a volcano and you could tell from the seismic readings That there was magma moving around.
Why couldn't you take a man-made drilling team up there?
This is going to be a very stupid idea.
And drill a hole into the side and let the magma out slowly.
No, actually, that was what I was calling you to have you ask him.
Is there any way that we could allow the magma, instead of blowing the top off everything, just let it seep out in a controlled manner?
Really?
You were going to ask that?
Well, I will ask Jim Birkland tonight.
I'm sure he will chuckle at me and say, well, exactly like you just did.
No, actually, it's a very interesting idea.
I wonder if there could be I'm with you all the way, sir.
I thought of this some time ago and suggested it on air.
And I have another idea I'd like to run by everybody tonight, perhaps equally as unworkable.
I don't know.
This involves suicide bombers, or homicide bombers, or people with dynamite and C4 and stuff like that strapped to their chest.
I really would like to run this by all of you.
Now, this comes from the mind of an amateur radio operator.
I'm a ham operator, right?
But I think a lot of you are going to be able to perhaps, maybe, resonate with this idea.
How many times have you driven by a highway location where they're doing construction work, building a bridge or, you know, whatever the people who work on our highways do.
You know, a lot of times they'll tunnel through mountains and, you know, when they do they have explosives on the site.
They've got a lot of dynamite or whatever it is they use to, you know, blow the rocks out of the way so they can get a road through.
Inevitably, you will see signs on the highway that say no two-way radio use.
Am I right?
Have you ever seen those?
Turn off all two-way radios and communication devices and you know why?
Because they're worried that the RF, the radio frequency, that comes from your transmitter will prematurely detonate the explosives.
Now Having said that, and feeling fairly firmly that most of you know what I'm talking about, here's my idea.
At American checkpoints in Iraq, before you get anywhere near the American guards and the checkpost itself, you have a very high-energy, wide-spectrum radio transmitter, and you transmit at everybody who walks or rides through.
Now, the strength of that radio transmission and the frequency would be adjusted to most likely blow up whatever you've got in your car or strapped on your chest.
So that not so many people would die.
Except, of course, the person who chose to actually strap the dynamite on their chest while they'd go up like a Roman candle.
And I, so I just thought I would toss that idea out there and see if it resonated with anybody.
What do you think?
A very high RF energy signal transmitted toward a potential suicide bomber, not hurting the biological entities, the other ones who walk by it without explosives, but definitely detonating stuff that people are wearing.
I wonder if that's a good idea.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi there.
It's Karina calling from Los Angeles.
How are you doing?
I'm doing well.
Thank you.
Good.
I just wanted to comment on a feeling that I had on 9-10.
It was about 9 in the morning.
I was on the freeway in L.A.
driving to a dentist appointment, and I just had this weird feeling that something was going to go wrong, like it was going to be the end of the world.
I don't know.
It was the worst feeling I've ever had in my life, and I've never had that type of a feeling again.
Actually, I think it would have been already underway at 9 o'clock.
It was on 9-10.
It was the day before 9-11.
Oh, I'm sorry, on 9-10.
It was the morning before.
And I wish I had a cell phone at that time.
I wish I had had an injector.
Well, let's say you had a cell phone.
Who would you have called and what would you have said?
Um, I was going to call my mom and just tell her if you're going to go out today, just watch out.
I don't know why I'm telling you this.
Just be careful.
And she's like 2,000 miles up north.
So I just had this feeling that I wanted to get out of my car or I wanted to drive back home and not go to the dentist.
It was the worst feeling.
And I was looking at other people in their cars thinking, Why doesn't anybody feel this, and they're all just driving along, not realizing what's going on, but I had, I just wanted to like, be me up.
That's the best way I could explain it.
Got it, hon.
Well, you're, you're, listen, but you're not the only one, and obviously a lot of people had these feelings cross their consciousness, or perhaps their unconsciousness.
I don't know.
I mean, a lot of people had these feelings, and That's mirrored in the fact that the, you know, the charts just went off the scale in the Princeton experiment prior to 9-11, as well as so many other large events.
And once again, if any of you have access to the current Princeton information, I would be very interested.
Are we, in fact, undergoing some big spike now?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, Mr. Ed Bell.
How are you doing?
Quite well, sir.
Good.
I just wanted to comment on last night's program.
Yes.
Yes.
Soy diesel.
Yes.
I am a farmer and I just wanted to really thank you for your program last night and kind of get the word out on soybean diesel, which I produce.
You're very welcome, sir.
I mean, suppose it really happened and truckers across America began using soybean fuel for diesel.
how much difference would that make to you and to the rest of our country's
farmers it would be it would be absolutely huge do the fact that argentina and brazil within the next
i would guess four to five years are going to be the king soybean
producers you know they're going to be the main soybean producer so
if we can find a whole nother use for biodiesel and soybeans that would be huge to not only the american
farmer but to the rest of the population
as far as price of fuel and other products that can come from soybeans.
Then I can't think, then why not do it?
And as I told Willie Nelson last night, maybe we have a chance right here and now to talk to the truckers out across America.
And there are these certain locations where the soybean fuel, that's right, from soybeans, can be put directly into your standard diesel engine.
With no modification, no changes whatsoever, and there are certain locations where you can actually get this fuel now and give it a try.
You don't have to change a thing.
Just fill her up and go.
Wow, Cardline, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello?
Is that me?
That's you, yes.
Great.
I was just curious about, uh, you always have these people on who believe in, uh, God and everything else.
Why are they so afraid to let this woman in Florida die?
Who believe in God and everything else?
Well, you know, you have the higher power, the God, the Bible.
You don't believe in any of that, huh?
No, I really don't.
You just think what?
There is absolutely nothing?
Well, you know, they have this story that came out earlier this week that the earlier Greek Bible that was written in, what, 184 AD is being put back together.
There's now books of Mark that were never written.
They were written for political use.
At the time, or being put back together?
Absolutely.
put back together i think that there was a lot of political
input show we say to what was written in the book absolutely
has been changed and altered but but i'm far from confident that uh... there's
absolutely nothing beyond us and i mean really far from in fact quite a bit
quite to the contrary i think it's more likely there is some intelligent force
beyond ourselves i guess i don't
yet and i like the and you hear about people in church shooting each other and
now yes and it happens over and over again and
i guess you know church people and gun should stay away from each other
I'm sorry to make a joke there, but... I know.
It's not much of a joke, really.
And what's even worse is, as I noted as I read it, that we're all beginning to get sort of Immune to hearing those kinds of things.
You know, somebody walked into a church today and killed X number of people.
Oh, yeah?
Another church, huh?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hey Art, how you doing this morning?
I'm alright, sir.
Where are you?
This is your fireworks buddy in Columbus, Georgia.
How you doing?
I'm great.
You know, technology has gotten now to where it's pretty hard to blow things up with radio waves.
I think years ago the blasting caps they were using were Or really, CB, more in that mega-cycle range.
Yeah, but you know, I'm sure that the military could study what would blow up current explosives.
You know, so they're already using that in Iraq now.
But see, most of the IEDs in Iraq now are being used by what was cellular telephones.
Uh-huh.
See?
And if I'm not mistaken, that's in the 800 megahertz range.
Is that correct?
Well, late 800, 900 meg.
Well anyway, let me get back.
I've got some friends in China right now.
Then also 1.9, there's two ranges that are currently being used.
Yeah, the digital and the analog.
But look here, I've got some friends in China right now and they have been kind of advised to get back into the bigger cities instead of out into little factories.
Oh really?
Yes.
And a couple of my buddies are in Taiwan right now.
But I don't believe, I really don't believe anything is going to happen because that's That's just too much money, and China wants our money too much right now.
Well, I hope you're right, but the vote is a little unnerving.
China seems entirely fixated on not allowing Taiwan any sort of independence, and of course you would expect the kind of vote we got here, but they seem very determined.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello, Art?
Yes.
Are we on the air right now?
Right now.
Okay, well, sorry about that.
I wanted to comment on a couple things, but I wanted to answer what you were talking about, that radio signal of the people.
Yes.
The reason they have you turn off your radios and stuff is because some of the detonators they use work on radio signals, but you can't just detonate an explosive unless it has that detonator.
Well, it may well be, sir, that some types of microwave might add some power levels.
Who knows?
It sets off the detonator.
That's why they don't want you doing it.
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
Okay, um... I... Agree it or not, you know, to shoot the feral cats and the dogs isn't what I'm talking about.
I just want you to understand something.
They already shoot free-ranging dogs.
Well...
Several things, and the only thing that kept me from being in the pen over burger was this little sheriff came in, threw the collar down in front of my kid, and said, I just shot your dog.
He was down there running with Skiles.
Well, he had a big old red stick hound, and the red stick hound was just a big old puff.
And then Skiles' females came in heat, and he was down running through the brush.
Well, I would ask you the same thing I asked the man with the cat.
At a distance, how would you know the difference between a feral dog and a... He answered your question.
You just didn't want to hear it.
I'm not for it or against it.
I'm against it.
Okay?
Well, if I didn't hear it... Wait a minute.
Hold on, sir.
Hold on.
If he answered the question, and I didn't hear it, and you're right... If you didn't want to hear it... Okay, you give me the answer.
Alright.
If you... If you... See, the reason that you're a gentle person, and you don't know anything about killing farmers... Those guys use high-powered rifles.
With fancy scopes, and they can tell you if the cat even has claws if he rolls over on his back.
I mean, that's how you would know if he had a collar on.
And what they wanted to do was make a big deal out of it.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no, no.
You wait.
I said the same thing to that other man, and that is not all house cats or pets have collars.
I know, but you didn't listen to what he said.
Well, let me hear you.
They'll make part of that law that you have to have a collar on your cat.
I'm not arguing for it.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm trying to test.
I'm trying to answer your question for you.
In other words, either have collars on your cats or expect them to be shot.
That's exactly what they're going to say.
I've been through this before.
The only reason I didn't kill that cop is because I wasn't there.
I was gone.
He walked into that car without my kid.
I just shot him when he turned around.
I blew him away.
Because he killed my kid's dog and there was no need for it.
But he could.
And he wanted to do it because he was a mean sucker and he didn't like it.
He didn't like my kid.
We're in Wyoming.
Listen, I'm losing you in any way I gotta go because we're out of time.
Alright bud.
Alright, take care.
Shooting cats and dogs.
And oh yeah, we can tell the difference, because the law would be that you'd have to have a collar, and if you didn't have a collar, that would make it fair game to be shot.
Really bad idea.
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Jim Berkland, geologist Jim Berkland, as many of you know, or some don't, was suspended from a California government geology job when he made a prediction that he should have made a major quake would occur during the 89 World Series.
Well, it happened, remember?
And then they thanked him.
They suspended him.
It hit, the government told him, don't make any more predictions.
Now he's retired.
He publicly states, quake windows.
Mr. Birkeland uses tidal flooding tables based upon lunar perigee, the time when the moon is closest to the earth to affect more gravitational pull on the earth and I've got, you know, that caller and myself about two weeks ago both had the same idea.
Jim Birkland would be exactly the guy to ask about it, and we shall in a moment.
Sound of a jet taking off.
Music.
A couple of ways to open a bottle of champagne, right?
One is... and then, of course, you get champagne everywhere.
And another is to just open it a little bit and you get sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss This caller, two weeks ago, I mentioned this myself, and this caller just mentioned it as well, with respect to volcanoes and the dome of the volcano.
We get stories constantly about the dome of a volcano growing X number of inches or feet or whatever it's done, you know, bulging.
And both that caller and myself think that, well, why not send some kind of a drilling team up to the dome of a volcano and drill a hole and let it go tssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss You know, and prevent an explosion.
Now that's probably a crackpot idea, but it seems like it ought to have some merit, maybe, except for the guys probably drilling the hole.
Jim, what about that?
Well, good to talk to you again, Art.
Yeah, good to have you.
Yes.
You know, when you drill down into magma, that is fluid.
Right.
And if you provide an exit for it, it will come up and flow out.
Right.
And it won't be relieving much gas pressure, this tremendous gas pressure down there.
So you couldn't relieve that gas?
Very little.
It'll plug itself up.
It cools down, and once it gets up, it chills like lava tubes.
They chill all around the outside, and inside it will continue to flow a bit.
So drilling into a dome would not be a good idea?
Well, they do it in Iceland, some places where they actually produce heat, and of course I'm only about 20 miles away from where they're drilling above a magma chamber and generating a lot of geothermal energy.
So you could do it for that reason, but again, not to relieve the pressure that would cause a dome to blow up?
No, that's asking a little bit too much out of mankind.
Too bad.
Okay, so look, there's a lot going on.
God, there's a lot going on geologically.
Seismically, in the world right now, I almost don't know where to begin, but I guess I'd like to begin, if you don't mind, with what's going on off the coast of Oregon?
And Washington.
In Washington, yes.
Yes, well, there we have a classic ridge, where new magma is coming up from deep down below the mantle, and it chills in the big crack along the ridge, and it wedges apart the pre-existing chilled rock of the Oceanic plate.
So it's coming up under the water, right?
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
And often it forms pillows, and it'll chill down there.
But when it hardens, it sort of shoulders aside the pre-existing chilled crust, and that's what makes it move laterally.
It moves the ridges are almost north-south, and so they move everything west and east, and the part that goes west Pretty soon goes down in the Cascadia Trench off the coast of Oregon, Washington, and Northern California.
And every time it moves, it makes a quake.
And every time it moves, it generates friction.
And that helps to melt rock down at larger depths, especially with all that water in there and the soil and the clays that are going down in the marine sediments.
Well, Jim, they were getting thousands of earthquakes.
That seemed rather Upsetting.
Yes, except that's the nature of the beast.
That's what's happening all along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the Pacific Rise.
Remember all these strange critters are living down there?
Yes.
Those smokers?
Yes.
And so that's going around every place they look in those active ridges.
They're finding things like that.
And most of the volcanoes in the world are under the ocean.
But, well, what's the possibility of this being some sort of precursor to an event that, from a human point of view, might not be so welcome?
It doesn't look like we're going to have a big Atlantis-type thing that they talk about, like we had at Krakatoa.
Because it is a spreading ridge, and it's sort of a collidate.
Like they've taken the little submarine Alvin right down into the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and observed the magma flowing there because the surface is lava.
But there will be occasional volcanic peaks and sea mounts out there.
And it may well be that it could even reach the surface.
We know that off Hawaii, Hawaii is growing all the time, and now this new island, Loihi, is forming over the southern shore, just beyond the big island of Hawaii.
How big is it yet?
Oh, it's up to within a few thousand feet of the surface.
I think three or four thousand feet of the surface.
But a couple years ago, they had hundreds of quakes of three and four magnitude, and that was another rapidly building time.
I think there'll be another 5,000 years or so until it reaches the surface.
That's what I was going to ask.
5,000 years, huh?
Yeah.
OK.
Now, meanwhile, the Big Island is the only island of the Hawaiian chain that's still growing, because it's active volcanoes.
And I was able to stick my geologic pick into a flowing lava flow there about three years ago.
One of the geologists big dreams to be able to do that.
But it's a little different over in Hawaii, where the Volcanism is a little more under control.
More fluid lava.
It's not so explosive.
So you can go right up to the lava flows and see where the margins chilled.
So you actually did that, huh?
Into hot lava?
Yes.
What was that like?
I mean, is it intensely hot as you're getting close enough to put a pick in?
Oh, no.
Usually not, because it's already got a skin on it in most places.
But where it suddenly breaks open and another little bulge comes out, you want to back up from that.
But yeah, it was pretty exciting.
That's something I always wanted to do.
Yeah, it sounds like it would be fun to me, too.
Yeah.
Okay, now, of course, we had St.
Helens burp pretty hard the other day, too.
Yes, the strongest since 1980.
I was up on a mountain.
They were doing a television show called The Invisible Earthquakes and Volcanoes, a show from back in the Boston area, educational TV.
And I had the last part of the section on earthquakes, and I was waving my arms over the Calaveras Fault and telling about how it was due to go, and it did in a couple of months.
But as they were folding up the cameras, the director said, Jim, speaking of other things, what do you think about Mount St.
Helens?
Right.
Now, this was March 27, 1980, and on March 20, the strongest quake on the whole West Coast was a 4.3 right under Mount St.
Helens.
And then there were a couple of other smaller quakes during that week.
And so on the 27th, when he asked me, what do I think about it?
I said, I think that volcano means business.
I'd give it a 50-50 chance to erupt this year and become the first one since Mount Lassen to be active on the 48 states.
And that was back in 1914 to 1917.
So the director said, I hope you're right, Jim.
We're going to go fly around it this afternoon.
And when they dropped me off back at the office, I found out that it was beginning to erupt at that very time.
A good time.
One week later I was flying around the peak with KMTV from San Jose and a couple other geologists and it was all socked in and nothing was happening and we looked down at Spirit Lake and the mud flows coming down the nice white snow clad St.
Helens and then we climbed above the clouds about ready to bid adieu and suddenly it began to erupt and we stayed for another 15-20 minutes shooting all of our film and And it was great.
Chunks of ice were being thrown up in the air from the glacier in those boiling black clouds.
And it was just really thrilling.
That must have been.
It really must have been.
Are there any expectations with regard to Mount St.
Helens?
We had the big one.
Now we just had this pretty recent, pretty big one.
Not as big as the original, of course.
Well, the original, yeah, of March 27th, this one actually exceeded that one.
But the big blow of May 18th.
Right.
So when I talk about expectations, I mean, is there pressure being relieved now?
And so the worry about a larger event is less?
I don't think so.
It didn't turn out to be true last time.
We had three or four fairly good eruptions before the big blast.
We're going to have to see whether the heat flow is continuing and the tilt of the southern slope is continuing.
So the odds are not lower that it could still really blow?
Yes.
I'm sure they're really instrumenting the heck out of it.
They lost some instruments with that last eruption.
Now, as far as I was concerned, it was a very timely eruption because my seismic window opened on the 8th and runs through tomorrow, the 15th, and it began to erupt on the 8th.
Are these always predictable, Jim?
Oh, no.
Six of the seven in 1980, the major eruptions, I did predict.
No, I'm sorry.
I meant by the scientists that have the instruments around these mountains.
From that point of view, Jim, are they always predictable, or can it just suddenly happen and all the instruments go berserk at once?
Oh, boy.
They usually post-dictum.
They tell you after the fact, yep, we knew what that was going.
There have been a few cases where you get harmonic tremors, you get continuous earthquakes.
Right.
Without a real clear P wave.
Right, but you're saying sometimes, sometimes forget the pre-cursors, they don't happen, you just have one big event, boom.
Yeah, that's pretty unusual though.
But in every volcano, every eruption, just like every earthquake, is unique.
And so, you always are, there's a lot of guesswork involved.
But when you see the signs, of the tilt and the increasing heat flow and then the gases and you see which of the gases are most abundant just before an eruption.
They're getting closer and certainly they're a lot closer to accepting a prediction of volcanic eruptions than they are of accepting prediction of earthquakes.
And that's partly I think because with magma You can picture it actually has, it's a fluid, it has a tide in it.
And it responds to gravitational pressures from the sun and moon, mainly the moon.
And we find that there seems to be a kind of a cyclical pattern with many volcanoes.
Certainly not all of them, but a few are showing a pretty good fingerprint, helping to predict actual eruptions.
Now, I realize that there are seismic readings associated with the movement of magma and volcanoes, but is there any relationship to tectonic activity and volcanic activity?
Big time.
Big time.
Yeah.
Well, you know that 9.5 magnitude quake down in Chile in 1960?
Yes.
It had nine quakes of seven magnitude or better as aftershocks.
And two Chilean volcanoes sprang into activity.
And in 1902, Pele had been bulging and steaming and creating a lot of concern down the Isle of Martinique.
But the governor down there was about to have an election, and he didn't want the wealthy people to take off.
And so he brought in a French expert who said, everything is fine, Pele's fine.
Well, 30,000 of them died a few days later.
But the animals were fleeing the volcano.
And they might also have noticed that the day before it erupted and wiped out all those people with a new AR dot, the glowing avalanche of incredibly hot gases and particles that just cooked everything.
The day before there was an eclipse of the moon.
And the day before, about 200 miles to the south, there was another volcanic eruption on another island.
And the people on Martinique breathed a sigh of relief and said, boy, that'll take the pressure off.
Well, they weren't drilling for that one, but it naturally was in that same belt of the West Indies.
Right.
And because one volcano went off, it didn't relieve Pele.
Isn't that something?
How frequently do we see many Well, there is no central fire.
Each volcano has its own little magma chamber.
in other words the basis of this question is down deep in the earth uh... jim is there any connection do
you feel between volcanoes volcanoes in the caribbean volcanoes
uh... in the northwest part of the u s volcanoes in japan well volcanoes around the world are they
connected somehow well there is no central fire each volcano has its own
little magma chamber and there is some connection uh... in that they
tend to be linear belt like the cascade range inland from the
cascadia trench and
And, uh, that was something that, you know, they recognized the Ring of Fire around the Pacific.
Right.
There's a similar ring around much of the Mediterranean.
And, uh, it's related to plate tectonics.
And where the, uh, the plates are moving, and where they are under thrusting, where one plate is diving down beneath, usually a continental plate.
All that friction generates magma, and you get periodic eruptions.
But they aren't totally divorced.
When Mount St.
Helens went off, the big blow on May 18th?
Yes.
Well, here down in Mammoth Lakes, within a week, there were three quakes of over six and a half magnitude.
And then when the big earthquake hit Landers in 1992, down your way?
There was a rash of quakes at Mammoth Lakes and up at Lassen and up at Yellowstone, small ones, but there was a five and a half in western Utah and another five and a half down your way, down by the nuclear depository site where there wasn't supposed to be any five magnitude quakes.
By the way, have they noticed that?
Yes, have they noticed that?
You mentioned that they're trying to keep it quiet, I think.
But yes, they have noticed it.
In fact, I was rather delighted to hear an expert from the U.S.
Geological Survey say, after the Landers quake, well, we were a bit surprised that the action occurred at Mammoth Lakes in response to that big 7 magnitude quake at Landers, because the amount of energy passing through the Mammoth Lakes Was less than the energy of the full moon passing overhead.
Well, I don't need less than the full moon.
I'll just take the full moon.
Oh, I know.
So, you know, they're admitting that these minor forces can trigger activity, seismic activity.
We know that on the moon, that there actually are moonquakes, and most of them occur once a month when the Earth and moon are closest.
In other words, the Earth has a similar, perhaps even greater effect on the Moon than the Moon does on the Earth?
Would that be fair?
I mean, we have more... Well, we're 81 times as massive as the Moon.
Exactly.
But the Moon is dead.
It doesn't have really a liquid core, or active volcanoes, or moving plates.
I've made the anomaly, or the analogy, that if you have a 95-year-old man on a cot, bare feet, hanging out, A 12-month-old baby sitting on another cot lying down there, and you tickle their feet with feathers, where are you going to see the action?
And I think the youngster, the living body like the earth, is where you'll see the action from a minor stimulus.
Uh-huh.
No doubt.
Well, all right.
Listen, in a moment I want to talk to you about About animals.
I know it's one of your favorite subjects, and I'm getting a lot of emails from people who are saying that their animals are behaving oddly.
There's been quite a bit of that in the last few days, so if you will hang on, we'll get back to you, and we'll find out where you are with watching animals and their reaction.
I mean, after all, remember the big story about the big quake?
The wave?
And the animals, not a one of which was found.
Remember that?
We'll talk about it.
Oh, holding and riding, sleeping and sweating, it's magic.
And you, as you sleep, you sound like me.
Higher and higher, baby.
It's a living thing.
It's a terrible thing.
It's a terrible thing to lose.
It's a given thing.
It's a terrible thing.
What a terrible thing.
What would I do if I never lose that love?
You lift your mind and soar down the road.
Won't bring me down.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'll tell you what's wrong with me.
Break it off the floor.
Won't bring me down.
You're always talking about your crazy nights.
I love the day you go to bed at night.
Won't bring me down.
I won't die.
I'll tell you what's wrong with me.
Break it off the floor.
Won't bring me down.
you Oh
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Really talking about one of the most scary things in the whole world. Have you ever been
in a big earthquake, a really big earthquake? There's nothing quite like it.
nothing quite like it in terms of absolutely absolute inability of your mind to deal with how
helpless you really and of course the quake it's a mantra and the killer
tsunami And, you know, I was reading the stories in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of that, in which people, along with the horrible tragedy, were commenting that not one single animal body was found.
It was in all kinds of wire stories.
And, Jim, it seems to me that bolsters everything you've been saying about animals, doesn't it?
Caused a lot of communication my way, and a lot of people say, well, maybe there is something to it.
Well, it's pretty hard to ignore when they have all these human bodies and no bodies of large mammals.
There were reports of elephants heading up the hill, and all kinds of animals heading up the hill.
Also, before quakes, there are often mass strandings of marine mammals, and I just uncovered one I'd forgotten all about.
Back in late January 1971 was the worst marine mammal stranding in the history of Southern California with more than 200 dolphins stranded up on San Clemente Island.
Less than about two weeks before the February 9th quake at San Fernando.
Isn't that something?
And that was on the day of the eclipse of the moon also.
So we had the tidal effects and we had the marine mammals and then I went back through the old L.A.
Times, and sure enough, the missing animals rose abruptly just before that quake and could have been predicted had I been looking at it in those days.
And then there was an article on February 10th, the day after the quake, where they were citing the Griffith Park Observatory astronomer, Dr. Kaufman.
And he said, I think yesterday's earthquake had something to do with yesterday's eclipse of the moon.
Not that it caused the quake, but through extra gravitational stress triggered a weak place in the foam.
My idea.
Only I didn't get it until three years later.
Well, what do you think, Jim, that animals... What's going on here?
Are they sensing some vibration?
Are they actually having some kind of Instinctual, precognitive experience all together?
What do you think?
Okay, we do know that they have the mechanism in their bodies by which they can detect changes in the magnetic field.
We know that even people have it.
It wasn't recognized until 1984.
I'm talking of the most highly magnetic natural substance on Earth.
Magnetite.
Magnetite in our brains, right?
It's in 304.
It's right over our pineal gland.
Yeah.
In the middle of our forehead.
And that's where number 14 people, 13 women, 1 man.
Have reported to me they get these terrible earthquakes, these headaches.
They identify them as earthquake headaches.
Yes.
In the middle of their forehead and they last for about three days before the quake and then moments before the earthquake, maybe within 30 minutes, the pressure and pain disappear and they know the quake is imminent.
Well, since these are people and they can talk, maybe we should be corralling all these people who have this and keeping track of them.
Yes, and I've had, oh heck, Six or eight of them communicated with me regularly when I was down in San Jose.
I'm a little more remote now, still a phone number away, and my website has had 122 million hits on it since the very first time I opened it back in 1997 on the day I was first on your show.
And your website is?
It's Syzygy Job, S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y, J-O-B, my initials, dot com, dot org, dot net, S-Y-Z-Y-G-Y.
And if they go to my message board, they will see under seismic sentries about 200 comments about animals just this month.
And there's parakeets, and dogs, and cats, and tortoises, and ants.
So then I'm right.
There is a lot of activity going on.
Oh, yes.
I'm getting the emails.
So, I certainly encourage people to document these things.
There's one thing, well, let's call it anecdotes.
I'm always accused of talking about anecdotes.
Well, when I get the information in advance and publicize it, then it's not an anecdote, it's a fact.
It's a scientific fact.
Well, does everything that's going on right now, the emails I'm getting, the activity on your website, does it add up to anything that makes sense?
Well, several things.
Back in 1984, I predicted we were going to have a six magnitude quake or better in Santa Clara County because of the record rainfall that we had in 1983.
The record we broke in San Jose was 1889.
Well, on April 24th of 1890, we had a six and a half magnitude quake.
Yes, sir.
And then we had, of course, the 1906 quake, and then another six in 1911, and we didn't have another six in the Bay Area.
Until 1984, again on April 24th, following the new record rainfall year.
Now we know what's been happening down your way with your blooming desert.
Well, see, now, I was about to ask you about this, Jim.
In Las Vegas, we have a TV station.
We watched a CBS affiliate in there, and they had some news the other day about the fact that this winter, Jim, we've had more rain.
than in all the record-keeping ever done by mankind for this area of the United States.
Now, that worries me, because if there is a connection to earthquakes, then what does all this rain we've had mean?
Well, there are several things that happened.
One thing, a foot of water adds a load of about one million tons for every square mile.
So you can look at how much of the rain has evaporated, How much of it has run off and how much of it has accumulated in the water table and in the reservoirs and lakes?
And that adds a load to the crust.
When they first built Hoover Dam, Boulder Dam in those days, there were a series of earthquakes after a couple of years of filling the reservoir.
And the engineer down there said he thought the earthquakes, which were most unusual, Related to the filling of the reservoir, and he was poo-pooed.
He went to his deathbed not knowing how right he was.
Now, reservoir-induced seismicity is very common, except that when you build a new reservoir, you have to design the dam to withstand the quake that the dam and reservoir might create.
So, what you believe is that it is the weight of the water?
That's part of it, and of course, the buildup of the pore pressure.
The only thing holding a fault together Okay, the fact that we just had an all-time record rainfall here might mean what?
And it'll cause, allow it to slip, make an earthquake.
And that's all an earthquake is, it's a moving along a fault line.
And if friction holds it together and then it gets high pore pressure, that allows it
to slip prematurely.
It would eventually slip anyway.
Okay, the fact that we just had an all-time record rainfall here might mean what?
That you're going to have a pretty good jolt.
Now in 1978, I ran into an article about the earthquake phenomenon and four scientists from
USC had done a study of rainfall in Southern California.
And they found an interesting fact that from 1900 to 1972, there had been, I believe, 22
quakes of a fixed magnitude.
Yes.
All had been preceded by a year or two of drought, followed by one or two years of excessively heavy rainfall.
Right.
And that happened again.
I went back in 1972.
It happened before the Landers quake.
It happened before the Northridge quake.
And several others.
Now, of course, it's not just my area.
When you say my area, I assume you're referring to, for example, Southern California at the same time, right?
Yeah.
It's pretty hard.
You have to learn from history.
I tell people, if you don't know your history, you're history.
So it's stupid to ignore what's already happened.
And I get people to keep telling me, oh, come on, you're not using enough information.
What about the last thousand years?
I'm not worried so much about the previous thousand, but I can learn from the last few decades and see what happens.
We're going to have, I think, there's going to be a six plus in Southern Nevada or Southern California by this summer.
By summertime?
June, July, and August are extremely high tide periods.
And they're called Parisian Spring Tides.
Now in July 21st, there's a very close approach to the moon on the same day, only eight hours away from the full moon.
And it's also time of, well just past the time of the equinox. So, that's
one of the three months that I would say is most likely for having a 6 plus in Southern
California.
Now last year I was sort of neutral on Vladimir Kalis-Borok, the Russian seismologist who was calling for a 6.4.
Quake down there by September 5th?
Yes.
Of course, it didn't happen.
Right.
And I was most intrigued by what happened to me when I went to a meeting in Oakland discussing his prediction in July.
What happened?
Well, I brought with me several of my predictions of a quake in Japan the previous September and the San Simeon quake, which occurred just hours before the highest possible tide in California.
I mean, I'd been warning about December of 2003 all year long.
And, uh, so then my window opened on the 21st, and the San Simeon quake happened on the 22nd, and on the 26th was the, uh, the Bam-Iran quake, with some 40,000 people killed.
And, uh, that was the time of the maximum possible tides, and the highest tides we've experienced since 1986.
So, as such, the tides are certainly predictable.
And if we find the earthquakes are occurring around the same time, then earthquakes are predictable.
Well, how predictable?
I mean, to the point where... Well, that was... Look, whether you're working with animals, and that seems a valid way to work to me, Jim.
Are you working with the tides and the moon and all the rest of it?
I mean, can you call... How closely can you call an earthquake?
And when is it... How far are we from the point where a county Or a state is going to issue some sort of really official step out on a limb as a result of some of this research and make a prediction.
20 years ago we thought they were 10 years away.
And every year they were saying we're 10 years away, we're a decade away.
And I spoke before a scientific body and I had a clipping in my hand from the Russians saying they thought they were five years away.
And I spread my hands out on the desk and I leaned over and told all these experts, gentlemen, we have an earthquake prediction gap.
Not one of them smiled.
Oh boy.
So some people take themselves too seriously.
But what I do is say, keep an open mind.
If we don't keep an open mind, ears and eyes, we're not really being scientific.
And it always troubled me.
I was trained for 10 years in college and university.
I taught the universities on the east and west coast, and was always kind of middle of the road, mainstream scientist.
And I didn't think you could predict earthquakes until 1974, when I looked into six earthquakes that had greeted me as county geologists for Santa Clara County in late 1973.
And all six of those quakes occurred at the time of the newer full moon.
And I thought, well, this is a preferred time.
This is kind of a seismic window, time of high potential for quakes.
And I made a prediction on January 8th that we'd have a four to five magnitude quake in the county.
And it happened two days later.
And I thought, boy, this is simple.
What's so tough about predicting earthquakes?
And I kept it quiet for a couple of years.
When I was asked to speak to the Alumni Scholarship Award winning ceremony at San Jose State University, they said they couldn't interest the media.
Did I have anything interesting in With a simulating and controversial term.
I said, well, I have something along that line.
It's not ready for publication, but OK, I'll do it.
And I didn't realize how effective they were.
There were four television cameras and ten reporters with pencils poised to hear me speak and make a prediction, which didn't happen.
So I said, call me back in October.
And I got a double header on the first day of my window in October, on the day of the eclipse of the moon.
He's merely matching two random series of events is a little better than reading tea leaves, and they haven't changed their opinion ever since.
So, uh, there are so many things that are happening.
The, the windows, the seismic windows from the tides tell me approximately when.
I have an eight-day window associated with the high tides.
But you've got to be able to say where to.
Exactly.
And so we look at what happens to the water table.
We look at what happens to radon gas releases, tilt of the ground, magnetic field changes.
I have a couple of, uh, Magnetic Stress Indicators, North, South, and East, West, and they've often shown anomalous movements.
They had, in Alaska, in 1964, on the island of Kodiak, they had instrumented with very delicate magnetometers, so they could detect what was happening in the ionosphere.
And on a normal day, you would see five or ten gamma changes.
On this day, on the Good Friday, 1964, In the afternoon they saw a change of 100 gammas and they thought their instrument was defective.
And that afternoon is when Kodiak had a tsunami of about 30 feet and they had the 8 to 9.2 quake.
Now that quake was on the day of the full moon at the time of the lowest tides for the day.
The next 9 magnitude quake was over in Sumatra on Boxing Day, 26th of December in my On the day of the full moon.
Both of those nine magnitude quakes and the huge destructive tsunamis were on the day of a full moon.
All of this seems very convincing, but if you compile it against earthquakes that have occurred when we don't have full moons, or the tides aren't as you've suggested, then what do we come up with?
Well, I've been hitting about 75% now for 30 years.
75%?
Yeah, and chance would allow me a 25%.
Just a matter of, let's see, I just now went back through the earthquakes of at least three magnitude in the Puget Sound area since the year 2000.
Yes.
As of January 16th of last year, there were 22 quakes in the Puget Sound area of at least three magnitude and 18 of the 22 fit.
That's pretty good.
That's more than the chance rate.
Oh, way above.
Yeah.
Way, way above.
So, and I've been doing that.
I've only missed two, three quakes in the Bay Area of more than five magnitudes since I moved back to California in 1973.
And just most recently, since I came up to live in the Valley of the Moon, we had the Bolinas quake on August 17th of 1999.
It happened right after the eclipse of the sun, passed across the Atlantic and over Turkey, and then Turkey had the great earthquake.
I recall, yes.
The next day we had the five magnitude quake over here in Bolinas on the San Andreas Fault.
Right.
Well, that was a pretty good jolt, and then in the year 2000, in September 3rd, we had a 5.2 quake that did $50 million damage in the wine country of Napa.
It was only centered about three miles from our house.
It shook us really violently, but we didn't have any damage here.
The energy mainly propagated southward, and we're to the west of the epicenter.
But I hit both of those quakes right on the money.
I had a TV crew from Great Britain come here, and they said, well, will you give us a specific prediction for our British audience?
And I said, well, based on all of these missing animals in the San Jose paper, The fact that I have three days left of my window here, I'm predicting we have at least a 4.5 in the Bay Area within the next three days.
And they said, fine, thank you.
They pulled up their cameras and they went down to San Francisco to spend the night before they headed for Japan to continue their program.
That night, a 5.5 shook the heck out of San Francisco.
So they called me to congratulate me.
This happens fairly frequently.
And we just had You were mentioning about animals for sure.
Yes.
National Geographic flew me up to Seattle back a couple months ago.
It's going to appear on their program here in June.
And also another British crew is doing a thing on Animal Planet and that will also come out in June.
All right.
Hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
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And he is famous, or is it infamous, for predicting earthquakes that come true.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
So many things to talk about with Jim Birkland, but we were with animals, back sort of with the animals for a moment.
Jim?
Sure.
So, how are you going to develop this thing with animals?
Are you going to go further with it?
I know now you watch, you know, the lost and found, the animals that run away, that sort of thing.
Yes, I have the daily records now since 1979 for a couple of newspapers, and so I can Uh, if this quake comes up, I can demonstrate how the animals showed it.
Before the World Series quake, which I named in the newspaper four days before it happened, instead of having four or five missing cat ads, we had 27, the all-time record at that point, and we had 58 missing dog ads instead of the normal 15 or 20.
Well, you're doing that for that area, but I mean, if this is an effective method of forecasting earthquakes, then really it ought to be done just about everywhere, shouldn't it?
Well, sure, but I'm just one person.
But I did predict a quake up in Seattle, a 5.7 quake on the southwest edge of the Puget Sound the day before it happened, because there were an extraordinary number of missing animals in the Seattle Times.
Back in 1990 I was invited to speak to the Foundation for the Study of Cycles in Irvine, California on the 25th of February 1990.
That morning I pulled out the LA Times before my talk and saw 58 missing dogs and the normal was about 20.
Toward the end of my talk, I said, I want to save time for questions, but I also want to alert you to my concerns here based on this.
And I unfolded this long line of missing pets.
And I said, based on this and the fact that my window is still open for three days, I'm predicting a five magnitude quake or greater for the Los Angeles area within three days.
A fellow in the back of the audience got up and went out the door and I never saw him again.
Ten days later, I got a letter from New York.
Saying congratulations on another hit I didn't want to share in it.
I checked out of a hotel and took the first plane back to New York.
Now he really took me seriously.
Obviously.
But the upland quake hit on the 28th and that did quite a bit of damage about 30 miles north of where I was speaking.
Interesting too, as I was making this talk, it was all videotaped, and during my talk there was an electronic glitch.
Right across the middle of the screen that they couldn't understand.
It didn't happen with any other speaker over two days.
Uh-huh.
But it, you know, people say this was just an anecdote.
No, I did it in advance and it's recorded.
And just like the newspaper account or any other of these accounts that I give.
Well, I mean, here you are on national radio.
You've already made one prediction, sort of a loose one.
A six-quake, I think you said, in my area, meaning Southern California, Southern Nevada, within three months?
During the three months of summer.
Is there anything else you'd like to predict now and get solidly on the record?
All of my newsletter, and I've been sending out a newsletter monthly, Since I was on suspension for predicting the World Series quake and they told me I could only come back to work if I didn't predict any more in county time.
Right.
So I started my newsletter in January of 1990 and my next window, and this window by the way is March 8th to 15th, so it closes tomorrow.
So what's happened?
Just this afternoon there was a 3.5 down by Palomar.
Yes.
And that was a 100% hit.
There was a 3.3 at Olympia, and I said a 3 to a 5, so that was 100% hit.
And I said there would be a 3.5 to 6 in the Greater Bay Area, and there was a 4.2 this afternoon over in, I guess it was yesterday, over in Manus Lakes.
It was 30 miles beyond my 140 mile limit, so I give myself 70 or 80% for that.
No, anything beyond 30% off in distance would not count, or three days off doesn't count, and three-tenths magnitude off wouldn't count.
I'd say I'm off the dart board in that case.
That's pretty tight.
Yeah.
I talked to some of my critics.
One critic said four minutes off with a quake in Los Angeles a few years ago was a total miss.
It happened at 11.56 and my window didn't open until midnight.
They want mathematical precision, and Mother Nature just won't be browbeaten like that.
Yes, of course.
But, you know, critics are that way.
I have noticed.
When I went to that meeting, as I mentioned to Dr. Vladimir Kailas-Borak, and listened, and I got up and introduced myself, and said, the title of this meeting is, Have We Turned the Corner on Earthquake Prediction?
Ladies and gentlemen, I didn't have to turn the corner because I've been on a straightaway for the last 30 years.
Nobody reacted.
And I said, the two quakes that Dr. Borok says he predicted and helped to establish this new prediction, I predicted both of those in my newsletter and I have copies with me of the last, the magnitude over in Japan and the 6.5 in San Simeon.
Not one person approached me and as I tried to hand a few out to people, they avoided me like I had the plague.
Really?
So I realize that's the status of science.
Well, by the way, a lot of this may change because at long last there is a book being written about what I've been doing, and it's by author Cal Ory, who's written a lot about animals, and has written short stories and items about animals and quakes, and often included me, and cats' world, dogs' world, women's world.
But this is a full-fledged book, and it's going to come out in December, and we will be distributing it I had a table at the American Geophysical Union.
I wonder how that'll be accepted.
We shall find out.
You think more of the same?
No, because the scientists are one thing and the people are something else.
I have received thousands of letters.
Only one unfavorable letter in all the ones I've received.
My first time on your show I offered people a free newsletter.
That's right.
Send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope.
And you said, are you sure?
And I said, yeah, sure.
That's right.
I got 4,000 and I spent the next three months tearing open letters and stuffing newsletters for people.
Well, I'm good at predicting that kind of stuff.
Listen, there's something on the Drudge Report that I'd like to call your attention to if you haven't seen it.
It's a picture of the top of Kilimanjaro.
It says, the peak of Mount Kilimanjaro, as it has not been seen for 11,000 years, developing.
What's that all about?
Well, apparently the global warming is happening.
It's just not necessarily man-caused, but no question that we're losing a lot of ice.
And we had a warmer period than this when the Vikings were going.
My heritage, back in 800 to about 1200, it was warmer than today.
That's why they settled on Iceland and Greenland and Finland.
Well, Shirley, when you look at the North Pole and you look at the South Pole and what's going on at both those places, particularly up at the North Pole, and look at pictures separated by 40 or 50 years, it's really freaky.
I mean, you know, 40% of the ice or whatever gone on the way to becoming a new sea that will be navigated by our Navy.
Well, I guess the Hemingway would have to rewrite his Snows of Kilimanjaro.
Yes, apparently.
That's incredible.
Yes.
Absolutely incredible.
All right, under the category, Jim, of how many died, when we have these earthquakes around the world and these tsunamis, the number of victims, the number of people that die, seems Really hard to track.
I mean, they always start off with very few, and it's always a minimized story, and then by the time it's done, you're up to 100,000 people or something.
How frequently are we being lied to, do you suppose, about how many people are killed in these?
About 90% of the time.
That's a lot of the time, Jim.
Yes.
That's a lot of the time, Jim.
Yes.
Well, I discovered in 1979 about the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco.
I often raised the question, gee, we got awfully lucky.
They're only losing a few hundred, 452 or 315 or 277.
Various experts came up with different numbers, almost all less than 500 for San Francisco.
That's right.
They said, well, absolutely, the fire did most of the damage and people just moved out ahead of the fire.
You didn't expect them to wait around.
Well, I did if they were crushed under the buildings.
The temperatures of that fire, Hit 2,500 degrees because cast iron melted.
Radiators and kegs and nails retained the shape of the keg and the wood was all gone.
The nails fused together.
Takes 2,500 degrees.
I checked with the crematory and they only used 1,800 degrees.
There was very little to clean up.
So the Army, the early estimates by the Telegraph Company and General Funston were about 3,000 killed.
And then General Greeley came out quickly to take over, and the Secretary of Commerce and Labor Metcalf was a direct emissary from Teddy Roosevelt, and they all had their act together.
It's just like you recorded.
There has been much exaggeration of the death.
The true total is, pick a number from around 250 to 450.
And people didn't want to deal with it, because the Army had everything in control, and they claimed there hadn't been anybody shot for Looting, except one accidental one, lies, lies, lies.
And so I ran into an article in Great Disasters of the World by James Cornell, and it said that in 1968 this major quake hit Iran, and that at least 6,000 people died.
There were reports that more than 18,000, but the truth will not be known because of the reluctance of the Iranian government to admit to shoddy construction.
I read that and said, that sounds logical.
And then I read a British almanac, 1907, which said, last April 18th, San Francisco was visited by a frightful earthquake, caused more than 60 million pounds damage, now 5 bucks a pound in those days, 300 million, not too far off, but real damage.
But more lamentable was the loss of several thousand lives.
Oh, my hackles rose on seeing that.
What are these British men telling us?
Well, several thousand.
What I know for a fact was only a few hundred.
Come on.
Where do you think we are?
Third world country?
I was very provincial.
I really have wondered about this accident, or accident, tragedy toll that we get.
It seems so strangely released.
Sumatra, for example.
I wonder if all... I wonder what is real there.
Well, in my newsletter in January, I estimated 400,000 killed and would die with the disease and all.
The highest total I've seen now is about 300,000.
But it's slowly climbed.
It's still occurring.
People are even killing each other.
It's a desperate situation, and maybe one of the world's greatest disasters.
And they said the tsunami first reported about 30 feet, and now they found debris up on 80-foot trees.
Oh my God.
It was up to 80 feet in places.
That's incredible.
And one of the most incredible things is a leading geologist whom I've met and did a lot of work on the San Andreas Fault.
I didn't know he had worked 10 years in Sumatra.
He was spending his own money distributing 5,000 posters and talking to churches and schools and trying to acquaint people to the threat of a big quake and tsunami.
This was last year in July.
I had heard, I think I'd heard about this.
Well, and I've been trying to include him in my book.
I've heard about this, that he was distributing all kinds of warnings.
Yes.
And he had a meeting set up with some of the governmental leaders a couple of weeks before the event.
and then they decided they didn't have enough money to travel and they
cancelled it but uh...
there are he did
about what i did before the world series quick I took matters into my own hands because most of the media outlet didn't want to hear about what I'd been working with earlier.
Well, you must have known when you did that, Jim, that you were doing a potentially career-ending thing.
It didn't end my career, but... But, I mean, you had to look at it that way before you did it.
That had to be one of the things that you considered, you know, the fallout.
I said, am I going to conform or am I going to inform?
Yes.
If somebody had a clue for AIDS or something, you have to come out with it.
I just don't believe in censorship.
I was very fortunate, as county geologist, there was only one time before the World Series Earthquake where I was censored and I was told to not talk about the threat of mudslides following the big forest fire we had in 1985.
I talked to the sheriff and the forest Well, I was going to ask, what would the motive be for trying to shut you up and you just told me?
Jim, some of the real estate people are concerned it might affect property values.
We don't want you to talk about the potential for mud flows.
We had extremely heavy rainfall and everything that I said happened.
And so I got...
Well, I was going to ask, what would the motive be for trying to shut you up and you just
told me?
Yeah, that's the same thing with the deaths in 1906.
The insurance company said they weren't going to pay for any earthquake damage because nobody
having earthquake insurance.
So earlier estimates of 50-50% went down to 95% fire and 5% earthquake.
And all the old timers through history called it the fire, not the earthquake.
And only in recent years, the city historian, Gladys Hansen, was doing the same thing I was simultaneously.
Back in the late 70s.
She started after Roots appeared on television and she was getting all these wires and phone calls from people all around searching for Aunt Gertrude.
She'd look for Aunt Gertrude on the death list and the missing list and she wasn't there.
And so she realized eventually that there was a third list of those that never had been followed up upon.
So in 1989, she and a former fire chief wrote a big card table book Picture book, wonderful pictures that she has on file with the fire department.
And it's called Denial of Disaster.
And in there she said at least 3,000 killed.
Well, I've been saying 5,000, more than 10,000, since 1979.
And now it's starting to appear in some of the official books.
But for many, many years, the World Almanac would say 452 dead.
See, it just doesn't seem as though 2,000 people or 3,000 people could be missing for that period of time without somehow somebody realizing that that's how they died and they're getting added to the death toll.
Well, just picture if you live in another part of the country and your relatives visiting out here and they disappeared, you don't know what to do.
Right.
How do you follow up?
And you get denials from everywhere.
Well, they'll show up.
Or maybe they'll get back to you.
And then time passes.
And they don't.
No.
And I found a similar... Now, had I been the county or city geologist for San Francisco, and I hear Mayor Schmitz, Governor Pardee, or Teddy Roosevelt say, Jim, terrible disaster.
Do you think it could happen again in another 10 years?
No.
50 years?
Not likely.
100 years?
Maybe.
Well, it's a long time away, and we have to look to the present and to the living.
We have to rebuild.
We have to encourage reinvestment.
It's the leading military, social, economic center of the West Coast.
You've got 450,000 people live in San Francisco, only 250,000 in Los Angeles at the time.
So, I would have agreed to a time capsule, you know, in 20 years, 30 years, let the truth come out, so we can prepare for the next one.
What's the greater good to?
Keep it quiet for a while.
Absolutely.
The investors back east said no more.
They had the big quake in 1892 and 1865 and 1868.
Right on down.
So good money after bad.
And people could accept fires because they had the big one in Chicago and Baltimore.
And the best run city could have a fire.
So they focused on the fire and absolutely minimized the deaths.
And that happens many, many other times in many other places.
I've started, you normally see, you can graph it.
It starts low, as you were saying, and then it steadily increases day after day, and then finally it gets sort of asymptotic.
It kind of flattens out.
Well, in the case of San Francisco, it started very high, and then it ended up very low.
It made a big L. And totally unrealistic.
It hasn't happened, you know, you don't see patterns like that.
There's something weird with these death tolls.
Jim, hold tight.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
Jim Berkland is my guest.
And we're talking about the Earth below us.
The Earth we all walk on.
Have you ever been in a really big earthquake?
As I said earlier, it is the most hard to deal with event you'll ever go through.
Because you have totally, absolutely, No control over it.
Whatsoever.
None.
It's gonna happen to ya.
I'm gonna make it happen.
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Good morning, Jim Birkland is here. He predicts earthquakes.
That's something a geologist is not supposed to do.
Actually, maybe it is something a geologist is supposed to do.
Maybe we ought to have a different way of thinking about that whole thing.
What do you suppose?
I am kind of a quake watcher and of course I get communications
thank God from all of you out there.
And as a result, I'm aware of most quakes that occur, and certainly the unusual ones that occur.
And Jim, lately I've been getting emails from people, and there are quakes going on at the North Pole.
Yeah, Severnaya Zemlya.
Yeah.
How unusual are quakes at the North Pole?
They're pretty unusual, just like at the South Pole.
We finally had a few years ago there was an eight magnitude quake way down near the Antarctic continent, which was almost unique.
But most of the action is in the temperate zones and from there south.
The middle zones, right?
So if we do start having a lot of quakes at the pole, is there something about that that should concern us?
Well, I haven't really seen, just an occasional one, I haven't seen a concentration of them.
Not at the extreme latitudes.
But if we did, then that would cause some additional concerns about the magnetic field.
Yes.
The work I had with the USGS was in paleo-magnetic studies of the western lava flows.
Back in the late 50s, they still thought they could explain the variations by changes, by polar wandering, that the magnetic field would wander.
They didn't accept plate tectonics.
That was really not born officially until 1969.
Things change.
I have unlearned an awful lot of facts.
What I have said, finally, when I teach, I say a scientific fact is at best a progress report subject to change with some new insight or some new data.
Yes.
Another area I want to ask you about is the sun.
I watch the eruptions on the sun and of course it has 11 year or 22 year cycles depending on how you want to look at it.
And I have, because of my hobby with him radio, I've watched solar cycles very carefully and might see some correlation with what goes on in the sun.
Anything there?
Big time.
And five years ago I was scoffed at it.
How can something on the sun affect earthquakes?
There's no mechanism.
Well, just look at the facts.
Within two days, Of the World Series quake, there was a huge solar flare of an X-13.
Right.
And on the very day of the 6.2 Morgan Hill quake, there was an X-13.
And on the day of the 7.4 Eureka in 1980, there was an X-9.
So when I saw the list of the actual biggest solar flares, in comparison with known earthquake times, there was a huge correlation.
So, I have to say, it doesn't matter if I understand the mechanism, if I see the timing I'm going to say that it looks like there's a pattern.
I don't know what goes on when I turn on my television.
Just as long as I get a picture and a sound, I'm happy.
Just as long as I see a correlation and I can make correlations into the future, make
projections, and if I can be successful, then I accept that there's something going on.
So if you don't mind, I'd kind of like to start into the phones and see what people would like to ask you.
Good.
All right.
The first time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
I was wondering if Mr. Birkland is aware of the alignment of the planets that is supposed to happen on 5-5 this year on May 5th.
I read a book by that title of, you know, 5-5-2005, probably 7-8 years ago, and it was predicting, because of the gravitational fields and the way that they affect the Earth, that there could be massive events happening on May the 5th.
Alright, well let's look into that.
Sure, people have been talking about that forever, and some people would say the other planets have so little gravitational effect that line up any way they want, It doesn't compare much to, for example, the effect of the moon.
What do you say, Jim?
Oh, you're so right.
I would have kept an open mind on it, but when you have all the other planets, the tide raising force varies with the cube of the distance.
And it varies with the mass and the cube of the distance.
And so these planets are out so far that really planets and stars have no effect on our crust.
Now, if there's something magical Astrological, then it ought to work.
I mean, if that worked, we would see it.
I have yet to have an astrological prediction come true, but I've had a number of postictions.
People say, oh yeah, we could have predicted that because Uranus is twined with Jupiter or something.
But if you combine all of the gravitational forces from the rest of the planet, there'd be less than one thousandth the effect that the Moon has.
So unless we're looking for a trigger on a trigger, it's just not there.
So I don't worry about that 555 thing at all.
With regard to your colleagues, somebody fast blasted me that it was jealousy.
With regard to the way they treated you, Jim, now, do you think jealousy is at the core of it with regard to your making predictions, or do you think that some other, something else, Just sort of a piling on professional... I would be happy if it were just jealousy.
I know about five years ago, a lovely young gal was doing a television program on earthquakes and earthquake predictions.
She said, Jim, I'd like you to be on, and I'd like you to be on with people from Berkeley and Stanford and Hayward State and USGS.
And I said, it's fine with me, but you may have a problem at the other end.
She said, no, I don't think so.
Three days later, she called me and said, Jim, I've never seen such animosity in my life.
They refuse to be on the same time with you, the same show with you.
Well, I was about to say, is it a piling on of ridicule, just sort of piling on, or what's going on?
Well, back in, I mentioned I missed that first one in April of 1976, the first time I went public, and they called me back in October.
As long as I missed, there was no problem.
But then when I hit a double header on the first day of my October window, on the day of the eclipse, that's when heavy hitters came in.
Yeah, I can see that, of course.
In other words, if you miss, you just sink to the back of the, you know, and then out from sight altogether.
But if you hit, then you become a target.
Very much so.
And then in 1990, I was written up in the Wall Street Journal.
And of course they went to USGS for comments and one of the geologists said, we've known this fellow for his entire career and he's been nothing but a clown.
Now I'm listed in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in Science and Technology and not much other Who's Whos.
And I'm a fellow in the Geological Society of America and a member of the Association of Engineering Geologists and Earthquake Engineering Research Institute and on and on and on.
And so I'm not a clown at all.
I think so.
But that was a little too much.
I was still a county geologist and they were demeaning me like that.
So I went to Pete McCloskey, an attorney, and he wrote them a letter.
They got off my back.
It cost me a bundle but it was worth it.
Maybe you're nothing but a heartache for them.
I think so.
It's really unfortunate because for the first five years, knowing that I'm not a seismologist
nor a geophysicist, I went hand in hand to those professions in a box full of information
and said, would you look at this?
No, we don't have time for that, Jim.
We have our own studies.
All right, then if not jealousy, what?
Put a word to it.
What is it?
They are concerned about their own budgets.
I'm a threat to their credibility.
When they missed on the Parkfield earthquake, Boy, they miss big on Parkfield.
And you know what actually occurred last September 26th was the day of the full moon.
I thought that was most ironic.
But it was about six years late.
And they lost one-third of their geologists and almost lost their West Coast headquarters, which would have been a really crime.
I really think the USGS is the finest scientific body in the world.
Why don't they think your body is so great?
I worked for them for six years.
I really enjoyed it.
It was a fantastic experience.
I really thought I would be able to work closely with him for my entire career.
That was true until I started predicting earthquakes.
Even my best friend, who I went to high school and to Berkeley with back in the late 70s, said, Jim, come on, what are you doing?
Why don't you predict some big quakes?
I said, well, we're not having big quakes.
Why don't I predict quakes around the world?
Well, I actually tried that in my newsletter for 50 tries.
I took what I call the monthly outright seismic speculation.
I just looked at a map or just looked for a hunch.
I hit 4 out of 50.
But the one that I hit was really almost spectacular.
We took a trip to Egypt, toured up the Nile, and the day we arrived I was in the shadow of the pyramids and saw a fellow reading Al-Aram.
And I predicted in my newsletter we would have a 4.5 quake or better in Egypt while I was there, the 10 days I was there.
Yes.
And I mentioned, well I'm looking to see if you have an earthquake.
And his eyes widened up and he pointed on the front page that he just had a 5.5 the day we arrived.
That was a hit, but it was pure luck.
So you're really best off when it comes to actual predictions, predicting for the area where you can gather the information, right?
Exactly, exactly.
And you use the whole battery.
Anything that works, use it.
You don't have to understand it even.
Now, I've done scuba diving in Hawaii and Virgin Islands, and when you see the fish down there, and they suddenly change direction, A hundred, two hundred fish change instantly, and they don't bump into each other.
Same thing with a flock of birds.
Yes.
How do they do that?
It has to be electrical.
Now, when I had a bobcat as a pet, and I was with the U.S.
Geological Survey, he used to go in traffic and drive down there with me, and when I'd leave him home, my mother would always say, Jim's coming home, put on the coffee or reheat the dinner, he's coming home at regular hours or regular days, She would know I was coming home because the bobcat would get up and wait by the front door.
And I debunked it.
I just didn't want to.
My mom, what does she know?
She's not a scientist.
It can't be.
Well, it's been well proven.
Now it's well established.
In fact, I met the author of Dogs Who Know Where Their Owners Are Coming Home.
That's right.
And he was at a meeting here in the little town of Sonoma, book signing about five years ago.
And I was sitting back in the audience of about 30, 40 people.
Question arose after he finished talking.
They said, well, what about this story about animals being able to predict earthquakes?
And he said, well, the one person that I know that's most advanced than that is Jim Birkland.
Right.
And I raised my hand and said, how do you do?
Parkfield.
Go back to Parkfield for a moment.
They really stuck their neck out on that.
Yeah.
Now, what can you tell me?
I would love to know.
What information they based that prediction on?
And I'd also love to know a little of the politics that went into making the decision to publicly make that prediction.
Oh, well, that was a huge political decision, yes.
I bet.
It happened in 1966.
There were a pair of five and a half magnitude quakes.
At Parkfield, and I was in Coalinga and got jostled by both of them.
In fact, I was writing a letter to my wife-to-be at the time.
Yes.
Drove me out of the motel, and we all exchanged, you know, wow, that was quite a shake, and then we went back inside.
Another 20 minutes, we're outside again.
But this particular prediction, Jim, how did they make that?
Well, they knew that in 1966 it had happened, in 1934 it had happened, in 1922 it had happened, All the way back to 1857.
So about every 22 years, they were getting a five and a half to six mass magnitude quake there.
So this was historical information?
Every two years.
But they had to ignore the fact that in 1922 to 1934 was only 12 years.
to 34 was only 12 years, but then from 34 to 66, if you added the 12 years and the 30
years, you get 44 divided by 2, you get 22.
So you're telling me they made this just on historical information?
Yes.
They said, well, if the fault is increasing strain at a given rate, it should slip every so often.
And sure enough, it seems to do that here.
So they put instruments from all kinds of drilled holes and brought in the international crews there waiting to catch that earthquake.
Did they see changes in their instrumentation that indicated it was on the way?
A few false alarms.
And while I was back east on the Bill Cosby show, they flipped the paper underneath my hotel and it said that the quake had happened.
It actually had a 4.5.
And that was not big enough, but they thought maybe that's a foreshock.
Great interest in the six magnitude quake finally coming.
But now I understand, with all the instrumentation that's still there, there were almost no clues that anything was up last September, except what was up was the full moon.
What was the politics like behind the Parkfield prediction?
Well, they had to justify a budget.
They'd known that the Chinese had predicted a quake in 1975.
So, it was a prediction gap?
Yes, yes.
And so, and then here's another one.
This one really frost me.
They tried to do what the Chinese did with a program called Earthquake Watch.
Yes.
And I was a member for three years, a four-year program.
And if your pet or wild animal or farm animal did something really weird You'd assign it a three or a four, and you would call in immediately on the hotline given to you.
If it was just a zero, one, or two, you'd just sort of fill it in and turn in the monthly report.
Well, on September 7th, 1980, I saw three things that really made me react.
One, we had the most missing cats of the entire year, only 14 ads, but that was still most of the year.
We had the new moon and the previous new moon had resulted in 25,000 deaths in Algeria.
And the previous full moon resulted in 300 deaths in southern Mexico.
So we're up to the next physiology, the new moon on the 7th.
And then the third factor, I called Olga Kolbeck over at the geyser, Calistoga geyser, the only geyser in California.
Yes.
And I'd known that the geyser was slowing down.
Eruption cycle prior to Northern California quakes.
So on that noontime, I called her from my office and said, Olga, these things are happening with the cats and the tides.
What's happening with your geyser?
Jim, we're about to phone you this morning.
It didn't erupt for three hours and 12 minutes instead of the normal 40 minutes.
That was the all-time record.
It still stands.
And I said, oh, it looks like a big one in Northern California.
I'm going to call USGS and predict it.
She says, if you don't, I'm going to.
So I immediately called the hotline.
Based on these three separate factors, I'm calling for a 6.5 or better in Northern California within a week.
Time, place, magnitude.
We haven't had a 6.5 for 14 years.
When you call USGS, who do you talk to?
Well, this was an automatic tape line.
Ah, so you left a message.
It's recorded.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Okay.
And so at the end of the year, in the previous two years, I'd gotten a transcript of my hotline calls.
In 1981, I didn't get my 1980 calls.
Long about July, I said, did you send those out?
Oh, you should have had them long ago.
I'll look into it.
Nothing happened, so in August I called again.
Oh yeah, I meant to check on that.
Then I got nine of my ten calls, and the nine calls were just saying the dogs howled all night, or some fellas told us their cats were doing strange things.
I didn't make any predictions except that one time.
Let them draw their own conclusions.
Do you still call your listeners?
Well, but you know what happened?
What?
They said they lost that tape.
They lost the tape?
It was mailed all the way from Menlo Park to Palo Alto, you know, which have been spit across the boundary.
Well, maybe they had to send it to Rosemary Woods.
We have a tracer on it.
Sure, a year later, they still had a tracer on it.
They thought they'd destroyed the evidence, but I had a letter written by my assistant who was on the extension phone, and he knows what went on.
All right.
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It is, and this night, Jim Berkland, lots of activity going on around the world right now.
Volcanic, tectonic, lots of shaking, and kind of a feeling of foreboding.
Good time to have Birkland on.
The following may be way outside Jim Birkland's field or maybe there's a little bit of scissor
D here.
I'm...
I refer, of course, to the Princeton experiments going on right now with regard to consciousness.
Now, as we know, they have these eggs planted around the world.
I referred to them early on in the show.
These eggs are nothing more than computers that are spitting out random numbers, and that's what they ought to be.
Random.
But all of a sudden, before large events on Earth, like 9-11, like the Sumatra disaster, and we could go on and on and on back through history, as long as this experiment has been going on at Princeton, these graphs have started to just climb right off the chart prior to these events happening.
Now, Jim, I wonder if you've heard of this at all, number one.
And number two, whether you think It might have some relationship to what you're talking about with animals and with all these other somewhat esoteric things that point toward a big event like an earthquake.
Yes, there are so many unknowns.
Now, I did hear that engineer back at Princeton talk about random generators and how they could affect them.
Yes.
Just with thought.
Yes.
And I've heard about your experiments on changing hurricanes and diverting them and things.
So, we can't rule things out.
I've had earthquake dreams that I can't explain, except they happened.
I've had contact with a number of psychic people, and I know some are legitimate, there's just no question.
So, this is most intriguing.
Now, you know about Charlotte King?
Yes.
On my side, she just put something about meteoric fireballs before the major eruption of Mount St.
Helens in 1980.
Well, they just had fireballs again up in the Northwest.
That's correct.
And they're called meteoric fireballs, and they're usually blue, green, or orange.
All right.
Listen, that's another little piece of scissor G that may be real.
Let's go back to the film.
So many people waiting to talk to you.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Berglund.
Hello.
Hi, Jones.
Hi.
First, Art, I'd like to say that I like the old days, back in the days when you were doing it on a more regular basis, because the feeling is a little different.
Well, but I appreciate my weekend.
Another comment regarding that is I especially like how you maintain the professionalism, especially with guests that you're not quite sure about, for whatever reason.
Okay.
I'm not going to say that about tonight's guest, Jim, at least not until I hear what you have to say about the two things I'd like you to comment on.
Which are?
First one is I'd like him to explain further about the idea that the core of the Earth is liquid, not a furnace, that magma is created by the friction between plates.
Okay.
And secondly, secondly, sorry, I'm going to listen out there.
I've been waiting a while.
And secondly, the fact, or my understanding is that sonic booms cause Approximately 2.7 magnitude readings on seismometers.
Can you explain how that... Okay.
Alright, we'll attack both of them.
Thank you.
The core of the Earth first, I guess.
Okay.
Well, they discovered in the 1930s through seismic waves that there is a solid inner core.
Iron, isn't it?
It's thought to be... Nickel-iron, yes.
And so it allows the T-wave to speed up a little bit, going through the middle of the liquid core.
Because there's a solid core inside.
Meanwhile, the S-wave can't make it there at all because it can't go through a liquid.
So, in that solid core, reacting to the liquid core and mantle, apparently, they're spinning in different directions, and that's where we get our magnetic field.
And if it didn't have a liquid core at all, I guess there wouldn't be a magnetic field.
Let's see.
Then the sonic booms registering 2.7.
Now, a P-wave is really a sound wave traveling through the Earth.
And it's a push-pull, like a slinky.
You have, in one hand, to give it a jolt, and you can see the wave passing longitudinally through the slinky, and it's a compression rarefaction.
So, when the sound wave hits the ground, it's like an explosion, really.
And so, sea waves mostly form underground and come out to the Earth's surface, and then you can hear them in the deep, low-frequency rumble.
Right.
But it works the other way, too.
And I understand that when they have these experimental planes, there'd be a lot of earthquakes that the military wouldn't want to admit to.
Does that, in fact, register at about a 2.7, typically?
Well, it would take a pretty big one.
The 2.7 is fairly strong.
But what was interesting is that once it hits the ground, it travels faster in the ground than it does in the air.
Yes.
So if it happens off of Santa Monica, they can then... Why is that, Jim?
Why does it... I know it travels faster through the ground, through rock, than it does through the air.
That seems illogical.
Not really, because it's the spacing of the molecules.
When they're close together, they're just like a bunch of pennies in a line.
You hit one, remember, and knock one off the end.
Gotcha.
Okay, that's all the difference.
I used to notice that swimming in the creek would click a couple rocks together, and you could hear it underwater faster than you would hear it in the air.
I don't know that I ever made that measurement, personally, but OK.
I just stumbled onto it.
OK.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Hello.
Yes, I have four quick questions for you and your guests.
Four might be too many.
All right, I'll cut it down to three.
The first question has to do with the Earth's And so your question is, is that true or what?
documentary that's a thirty three hundred thousand years before it
flipped over from north to south and back to south and the north pole goes down the positive goes to the south and
so your question is is that true or what
it but my question is would this have any effect on the
uh... the plates of the electropackmatic uh...
uh... phenomena and Hold it right there.
Would the Tic-Tac plates go nuts if we had a reversal?
No.
No?
The electromagnetic field of the Earth, if so.
Well, it goes through a zero point, a null point.
When you shift the magnetic needle, North Seeking suddenly becomes South Seeking.
It takes several thousand years for this transition to occur based on studies that we did in the Volcanic rocks?
There are others who have said they occur quite quickly, relatively quickly.
Well, show me an example.
We have the rock example, and there are very few zones that show transitions, but where they do, the ages show it takes several thousand years, like three or four.
When it goes through a null point, we have no protective ionosphere.
It means all the cosmic radiation comes booming through, and there's bound to be a lot of genetic changes.
Okay, second question.
My second question has to do with, I watched a documentary by the U.S.
Geological Survey, and they said that the Mississippi River, and the reason why Louisiana is below sea level, was the fact that there was a magnitude .12 or .15 earthquake that shifted that part of the United States.
Oh gosh, that wouldn't have been from the USGS.
Okay.
There was a magnitude of eight, three of them.
Let's get something straight right here.
that caused the Mississippi to reverse, but Louisiana is not below sea level.
Is 10 the biggest earthquake that could happen?
There's no theoretical limit except the strength of the rocks.
The rocks have to store up strain and the rocks are going to yield before they reach 11 or 12.
But when the big meteorite Chicxulub hit down in Guatemala, Honduras, it was equivalent to about 15, magnitude 15.
Wow.
But that was extraterrestrial, and the Earth can't store up that much strain to yield that kind of an effect.
All right, so then it's generally thought that anything that would be produced on the Earth or within the Earth would be within that 10 limit.
Yeah, less than 10.
In fact, Richter scale, they never had a 9 Richter, which the 8.9 were a couple of, now they've upgraded them to 9.2 to 9.5.
Right.
Okay.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Hi.
Hello, this is Dan from California.
Hello, Dan.
I'm glad to speak to you guys this morning, Jim and Art.
Art and Jim.
Yes.
My question, one thing is I'd like to be sympathetic to Jim and tell him that his job has to be like looking outside of a soundproof window and you're trying to yell at the person that there's a tidal wave coming and they're only looking at your gestures of jumping up and down and not hearing what you're trying to say.
And I hope that you do be able to sleep at night because you can't save the world.
And the reason why I think that it's such a problem for you is that it's life versus economics.
If you try to get to a large TV station and tell people what's going to happen, what would you do?
And here's a question within itself.
What would you do if you could get on Channel 10 at 5 o'clock and warn everyone?
Are we saying evacuate a whole city?
What's the cost of that?
Where are we going to put them?
Or are you telling them to prepare?
And isn't it awful like knowing that that's like somebody from across the field shooting a bullet and in three days to four days it may hit you?
Is it more like that?
That's why maybe they don't want us to know.
View me as a, like a meteorologist, recognizing a low-pressure cell developing out in the Atlantic, saying, watch it.
Let's see what other clues are coming.
You can make your own decisions if you're going to board up your windows or not and evacuate.
But you're not going to evacuate for an earthquake.
That just is not practical.
There's too many problems that would develop and the traffic couldn't move.
But, you know, I urge people to check the seismic windows when the maximum tides are occurring and then watch for the local effects.
If you have, in San Jose, for example, there was this formerly artesian well that Hadn't been an artesian for 25 years, it suddenly began to flow so rapidly it was flooding out the neighborhood.
So the city fathers came out and put a stop on the top and it blew it, blew the cork.
So they put a stronger cap on it and they walked away and figured their job was done.
It was April 17, 1906, the day before the big one hit San Francisco.
So there are these kinds of clues that develop and the people just turn their back on them They're never going to recognize them.
By the way, I have no problem whatsoever sleeping.
I'm very happy with what I'm doing and very comfortable with myself.
I went to the Great Pyramid, and when I came out of the Great Pyramid, I suddenly realized what it's all about.
Why are we here?
We are here to seek our purpose and strive to achieve it.
Anything less is a waste of existence.
That just took a whole load off me.
I said, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
Well, it's important that you be comfortable with what you're doing, because it's very controversial, and without that comfort, there'd be a lot of rough moments.
No question about it, Jim.
Let me tell you, somebody named Woody Anastoria says, a brief little message on my website, has Jim just lent credibility to Art Bell?
You've got the problem, too.
All right, Jim.
You're on the air with Jim Berkland.
Good morning.
Hi, hi guys.
We've come from Toronto, Canada.
Yes, sir.
And my question is, I believe it must have been your guess, I saw it on a television special.
It was, I believe, studying a volcano, actually in a volcano somewhere in Italy.
Anyway, there were some seismologists and volcanologists who were commenting that studying a volcano using satellites and other remote electronics equipment is good enough, but To actually climb in a volcano and study it is really just foolish and just being a bare-chested, silly, macho type person.
So I'm wondering, specifically, how much importance do you suggest in studying volcanoes actually in the volcano rather than just using remote electronics?
It's actually smelling the smoke, hearing the faint rumblings, timing them apart in person.
How important is it to go down into a volcano to study it, Jim?
Not very important for me.
I've never done that and I wouldn't plan to do it.
We have plenty of robots that will handle that now and fly over.
The only volcanic flows I've seen were as they were entering the ocean.
Pouring over a little solid waterfall.
So you don't want to find a tube to crawl into at St.
Helens?
No, thank you.
Okay, so I guess the answer is instruments will do, sir.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Berkland.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
I got two questions.
I guess one might be a little outside of control, but the first is, does he have any, like, I guess stats, for lack of a better term, I mean, just to add, I believe what he's saying, but to lay in credibility.
So you predicted 180 of hit.
All right.
Exactly what is your hit and miss rate, Jim?
Well, I haven't even bothered.
It's around 70 to 75% in the last 30 years.
I haven't counted them all up lately.
There are literally a couple of thousand predictions and I've hit about 70%.
There you are.
Seventy percent, sir.
How's that?
Come to my website.
Visit my website and subscribe to my newsletter and you'll get the exact details.
I gave the figures on the Puget Soundquake.
Oh, by the way, Art... Wait, so anyway, that's an important question.
It's an important question for your own credibility.
And you're saying it's right around 70 percent, right?
That's a big item.
Does that answer your question, caller?
Yeah, it does.
I have one other question, too.
But, um, when you were talking about could you drill into a volcano with pressure out, I had the same sort of theory with hurricanes, but I don't know if he's, if this is clean out of his own, but the whole concept of a hurricane is that it's a condensed eye, and couldn't you just blow that eye up, suck the oxygen out of that eye, and collapse the hurricane once, so?
Um, it is out of your field, Jim.
Yeah, but it's a low pressure, the lowest pressures they get is around Yes, no doubt.
six inches in the middle of a i have a hurricane but
uh... i'm not i think maybe they already doing that with harper and uh...
him trail lord knows what all i think there's a lot of uh...
weather experimentation going on that we don't even know about yes
no doubt uh... no doubt a lot of weather experimentation i'm sure is
ongoing how are you you just gonna continue at about the same rate
making predictions the way you have been in the newsletter or do you have
plans to go beyond that now or what Bye.
Well, you know, I've had a number of people that are going to write my life story, or they're going to set up a new program, and they all seem to drop out once they talk to high science.
I science just doesn't have any time for me.
And we'll see what happens after the book is released here in December.
Well, high science isn't doing so very well themselves in the prediction category.
They did 12 predictions that I knew about and none have hit.
And so I think it was pretty frustrating for them.
And obviously I have hit so many to a television crew.
I was on the front line and made predictions for a local quake and a major quake around the world and hit both of them.
On the camera.
And those were carried.
And we shall see now.
Oh, by the way, I want to try again.
People want to send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, but I want them to put a couple of dollars in there to make it worth more while.
I see.
And I will send them a sample copy of my newsletter.
All right.
Where do you send a couple bucks?
Easy enough.
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A business-sized, self-addressed, stamped envelope with a couple dollars in it, and I'll be happy to send them a sample copy of my newsletter.
All right, well, that's certainly fair enough.
And also, there are going to be many people who just heard that and said, damn it, I didn't have a pencil or something.
So I'll tell you what, folks, we'll take a break right here.
And when we come back, we'll repeat that information for you.
So that will give you an opportunity to go and get a pen, pencil, and paper, because I know you didn't have it ready.
Now you will have no excuse.
get that pencil, get that paper, right now.
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I I can't stop this feeling deep inside of me.
Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me.
Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me When you hold me in your arms so tight
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I'm high on a feeling That you're in love with me
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Got a bug from you, girl But I don't need no cure
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He predicts earthquakes, much to the dismay of the USGS and some others, but he does it rather successfully at about, what, 78%?
This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Rocking through the night this night with Jim Birkland.
He predicts earthquakes, much to the dismay of the USGS and some others, but he does it
rather successfully at about, what, 70 percent?
That's pretty good in my book.
All right, as promised, hopefully you've gathered together writing implements and such, and
to get a free copy, well, not free, a couple bucks, you know, for shipping and licking
and whatever, a couple of bucks for Jim's newsletter, and you can decide for yourself.
And we promised you that address so you could now write it down, that you're armed and ready.
Go ahead, Jim.
It's P.O.
Box 1926.
That was four years before I was born, 1926.
Glenn Ellen, G-L-E-N-E-L-L-E-N, California, and the zip is 95442.
And you personally put them all in the envelope and licked those envelopes shut?
Yes, I'm the one.
It took me about three months to do that last time.
That was for free.
When I ask for a couple of bucks, the numbers go way down.
Oh, well, I can imagine there would be a difference, all right.
People love that word free.
Oh, my, yes.
However, if you have a really good record of predicting earthquakes, then people will pay attention, so I'm sure there'll be some dollars on the way.
Go right to the website.
We summarize the predictions each month on the website, but there's a lot more information that goes into the eight-page newsletter.
Okay, here we go.
Well, let's go here.
You're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Good morning.
Hello.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I was calling to ask if Mr. Birkland had mentioned he had a business phone number that he was going to give out to make information available to him.
And the other was about the Puget Sound area that he was about to give you information on.
Okay, one at a time.
Do you want to give out some phone number again?
Well, I just have my own personal phone.
But go to my website.
You want to give out your personal phone number?
I wouldn't do it.
Yeah, it's on my website.
If you go to the Trouble Gettin' Website, you'll see it there.
Oh, no kidding!
Thank you.
That's amazing, alright.
And then the Puget Sound area, right ma'am?
That's right.
He was very excited to tell you something about it when you were discussing his correct hits.
Go right ahead.
Well, I just had one at Olympia of 3.3 today, and I predicted a 3 or better in Washington and Oregon, so that's a 100% hit.
And I just had compiled the list of all of the quakes in that area since the year 2000.
There were 22 quakes that exceeded a 3.0, and 18 of the 22 were in a window.
As was this one, so the numbers are very favorable to a maximum tidal period.
It may well be that there is nothing in this category right now, but it always bears asking, Jim, do you see any, you know, people obviously are concerned about the bigger earthquakes.
Oh yeah.
I fully understand that for your, to establish credibility for what you do, you have to get them big and small, but are there any big ones coming?
Well, everyone's concerned about the Northwest and that Cascadia Trench where the 9-plus magnitude quake hit on January 26th of 1700.
Interesting how they came up with that.
They knew the Indian legends about the big wave that came in and the villages that were destroyed.
Well, geologists have mapped ups and downs of the seacoast there and forests that were buried.
Yes.
had come in and poisoned the soils.
But then in Japan, where they had written records for that time, in 1700, there was
this mysterious tsunami that came in and killed several hundred Japanese.
They had the records and we had the other kind of records.
Approximately 300 years ago, we knew that that was true.
So their date, they gave it three days to travel across the Pacific.
So, whenever the tsunami hit them, they subtracted three days and it ends up as June 26th.
I looked at the old tides there and that was a time in between two huge tides.
It was in a semi-quiet period between two maximum tides, frigid and spring tides.
My question was do you see any big earthquakes coming?
Yes, but just when?
If you suddenly get mass beachings of whales and dolphins.
Okay, but so apparently you don't see anything immediate that you want to... Oh, that's true.
I would tell you if I had something in particular.
Now, I'm troubled like you are about all of these animal reports and we heard about the thing about solar flares have picked up during this period when they're not supposed to be happening.
We've had some northern lights and we had this fireball And going back through a lot of records, it's surprising how many times there's a mention of a fireball prior to a big quake.
Good morning.
on the line here on the air with jim berkman good morning good morning guy actually good evening and a lot of from
our paradise here in hilo
alright yes yet uh... i live in the shadows
This is Rich calling from Hilo, by the way.
And I am living in the shadows, basically the largest volcanic range on Earth.
At least that's what they tell us here.
Mauna Kea is just about 20 miles away from the harbor here.
And I moved here about a year ago from San Luis Obispo, where I had just experienced my first 6.5 in December of 2003, Jim, if you can recall that.
Sure, 22nd.
It was a pretty good shake.
I was living right on the beach there, and I haven't felt even nothing here in the Hilo area.
However, there are an awful lot of USGS vans and trucks and quite a few personnel that come down in the Hilo area that I just assumed they're over in the Volcano National Park up in Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa.
My question being, I haven't felt anything in almost a year here, and I'm wondering what's your take On the predictions and the possibilities of something here on the Big Island.
Well, I'm really surprised you haven't felt one of the fours they've had there in the last few weeks.
Hawaii, the Big Island, is the shakiest island in Hawaii.
And of all of the states, if you take the area involved, Hawaii is the number one shaky state.
More than California or Alaska.
Because of its area.
The chances of feeling a quake in Hawaii are much greater than any place in California or Alaska.
In general.
But yes, as to a really big one, they're mostly concerned about what might happen over on the eastern rift zone.
A big landslide, a submarine landslide, might cause a local tsunami.
Of course, we're going to be over there in June, so maybe you can set up something for us.
Alright, well, I think I once asked you, and it was kind of an interesting answer as I recall, if you could be at the site of a very large earthquake, would you do it?
Would you go there?
Yes, but I wouldn't be in top of the county building as I was for the Loma Prieta quake.
That's the only quake of the 80 plus that I have felt, the only one that ever frightened me.
I didn't think the building was going to withstand it.
It was moving back and forth about five feet.
My office was a shambles, all my rocks and books toppled over on the facing east.
I couldn't see the floor, shelves dropping.
It was quite an experience.
Well, I lived 10 years of my life on the island of Okinawa, Jim, and I went through a lot of really big earthquakes.
And I would have no desire whatsoever to experience another one.
And I have experienced several.
We had a pretty good one here in the desert, as you know, a number of years ago.
You called me right after it.
Oh, man.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Pleasure speaking to you and Jim.
I've enjoyed and learned a lot from the both of you over the years here.
A comment and a quick question.
You're a cat man, I'm a ferret man.
I have several ferrets and it was interesting about a week ago, they began behaving very, very strangely.
Ferret misbehavior.
Well, I don't know if it was misbehavior.
All I know is I didn't feel it, but my brother did in Boston.
I guess there was a quake up in, uh, Quebec.
Yes, 5.1 or 5.2 or so.
Yeah.
Is there a, is that, I mean, I'm 60 miles south of Lake Erie, so I don't know, you know, about... You could have felt that easily, yes.
You know, that, that was the one thing.
And then the other thing is, I'm, I heard your other fireworks buddy call art.
I'm a pyrotechnician and, uh, Basically, we did a, uh, built a 36-inch diameter shell and fired it at a big competition up here in our area.
And the gas company actually brought a seismologist in, because about two miles away, I guess they had an underground line running, and they were actually worried that this thing coming out of the mortar would affect, two miles away, their gas line.
Would the waves, would there be that easily, Jim, the transmission of the force of, you know, it was about a 970 pound shell that we popped about 2,000 feet in the air.
Would that show up seismically, Jim?
Yes, that would vibrate the ground for sure, and I can understand why they might be a little concerned, especially if their gas line was in weak materials.
It might have a little liquefaction and, you know, fissures.
It doesn't hurt to instrument when you're having a blast like that.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Berkland.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, Jim.
I wanted to salute your credibility rather than take any away from it.
Okay.
I'll give a cross-disciplinary example.
You and I go back about the same time in birth, and this is Rich from Lawrence, Kansas.
Back when the Earth was cooling, I worked as a grad student and actually lived there as part of my pay at Northwestern University Dearborn Observatory.
No, I thought you were saying you were here when the Earth was cooling.
Well, I just think that I was born back when the Earth was cooling.
I see.
This was before J. Allen Hynek was even there, and Immanuel Velikovsky's book came out, Worlds in Collision, and the chairman at the time not only panned it, but that's all they could talk about.
He thought the gentleman spoke too much, and then they wrote letters to the publisher, who I think was one of Bennett Cerf's subsidiaries.
And forced them to stop publishing it with the threat that they wouldn't adopt textbooks.
And so Velikovsky later turned out to be right, and of course another publisher did take it up.
I think it was Holt or somebody like that.
But also I wanted your credibility again.
My dad barely missed being killed in the Great Galveston Tidal Wave.
Yeah.
And I won't go into the story about why he wasn't, except I wouldn't be here otherwise.
And the estimate then was 30,000 killed in one day.
It's in the newspapers.
We have photos of the newspapers and all.
And yet now you go and read about it more and more by the more recent experts, and they've got it down to 6,000.
And I just wondered if you ever studied that phenomenon at all?
Well, we were talking about sort of the rewriting of history of calamities and mass deaths and the numbers involved and how they shift and change so strangely, right Jim?
Yes, and there was another big hurricane in the Keys where they had some kind of unemployed people were put to work down there and they didn't really take care of them.
Many, many killed.
A big hurricane there that they knew was coming, but didn't pay that much attention to it.
Oh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Birkland.
Hi Art, this is Jacob from Preston.
Hi Jim.
Hey, hi.
I have a quick question.
Has anyone thought about the possibility of earthquakes on the moon or Mars?
Oh yeah, I mean I know it sounds far-fetched, but you have to believe... No, not at all.
If there's earthquakes on Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because that was one of the first things that turned me around back in 1975.
And if NASA plans to build and President Bush wants to go to Mars and the Moon, they better start listening to guys like you, because we're going to invest a lot of money on there.
Well, the thing is, the strongest quake they ever measured on the Moon was about a 4.8.
Most of them are just ones and twos.
But the thing is, they almost all occur once a month when the Earth and Moon are closest to perigee.
And as they say, there's no serious alternative to a tidal explanation.
Do we know enough about the interior of the moon, Jim, to understand the dynamics of what's going on under there?
It doesn't have a magnetic field today.
It used to have.
Right.
So it almost certainly doesn't have a liquid core, and it doesn't have active volcanoes.
Right.
It doesn't have moving plates.
So what the heck's earthquaking?
It's the stress from the Earth.
From the gravity from the earth at perigee.
Which is moving... It's actually deforming the moon.
You know, it's moving up and down.
In fact, the solid earth goes up and down about three feet under the full moon.
And that's enough.
That's why the gravity is also effective away from the ocean tides.
Because there's an earth tide.
You're saying the earth bulges out three feet?
The moon pulls it up.
Deforms it.
I never noticed that.
Yeah.
I didn't know it either when I first got into earthquake predictions.
I just sort of surmised that since the ocean water was going up and down, probably the solid earth was going up and down too, and that could trigger quakes, and that's what got me into this.
And they have confirmed this how?
Oh yeah.
What, satellites or what?
Gravimeters.
The gravity of the earth decreases when you get further away from the core, from the center of the earth, and they can actually see the Within two hours of the full moon, the Earth bulges up.
That's eerie to even think about.
That's really weird.
But Io, the closest satellite to Jupiter, it goes up and down about 300 feet every Io day.
And all that fluxion generates magma.
They have sulfur volcanoes on them.
Satellite Isle.
Friction is heat.
Yeah.
Right.
Very quickly, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Birkeland.
Hi.
Hi there, and good morning to you, gentlemen.
Thank you for taking my call.
Sure.
I wanted to ask Jim about when they dig into... Actually, I'm really sensitive to earth movement.
I've had multiple injuries, and that's one of the reasons.
Plus, I've lived on the West Coast, and I've felt earthquakes, and I've been over in Europe, and I know the Feeling in the big cities with the underground and like the trains that are underground.
And when they tunnel underground like that and they're putting an underground tunnel, does that have any effect elsewhere on the earth?
Like if there's tunneling going on, would that be... Not miles away.
Not miles away?
In the county building, we're on the 7th floor, and all the women especially began to complain they were feeling earthquakes.
Well, it turns out they were building the electric rail and the jackhammers out in the street.
Really?
Vibrating up the columns of the building a few, you know, 50 yards away and vibrating the building.
So I have to finish the jackhammers with a little microquake sender.
So, and there are people, though, that are also sensitive in the way she described, aren't there?
Right.
No doubt.
Is there one single place where these people report their feelings, Jim?
Well, right on my site.
We have it for sensitives.
We have it for dreamers.
Just go to my site, syzygyjobe.com.
Dot anything, really?
Yeah, dot anything.
So I have a place for phenomena, earthquake sensitives, seismic sentries with the pets and animals.
Frank Condon is a scientist that measures electric fields in Southern California and he has a site here.
And we have places just to ask questions of me.
Earthquake sensitive phenomena.
Alright, well we've got a link on our site right now.
And I'm sure a number of people are going to make it there.
Jim, we're out of time.
It has been an absolute pleasure having you on the show.
It always is.
Great, I really enjoyed it.
And seismically, yours.
Take care, buddy.
Thank you.
You too.
Good night.
And here she is.
All the right words to get us out of here.
It's been a great weekend.
Thank you.
See you next weekend.
Until then, from the high deserts, good night.
Midnight in the desert.
Shooting stars across the sky.
This magical journey.
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