Art Bell welcomes Peter Novak, who explores the binary soul doctrine, claiming humans split into conscious (free will) and unconscious (moral judgment) minds at death, explaining NDEs, ghosts, and reincarnation cycles. Novak cites Ian Stevenson’s verified cases—like a six-year-old Indian boy recalling a prior life—and Harvard psychiatrist Dr. Schiffer’s left/right brain duality theory, linking them to the Great Pyramid’s symbolic forks. He speculates that alien abductions may involve unconscious mind separations and argues modern ideological divides (left-brain autonomy vs. right-brain interconnectedness) mirror this ancient split, though reunification—key to avoiding repetitive afterlife states—remains rare. Callers debate past-life memory origins, birth consciousness, and parallel dimensions, while Novak’s The Lost Secret of Death offers deeper insights at DivisionTheory.com, suggesting the doctrine reshapes our understanding of consciousness, morality, and even societal collapse risks. [Automatically generated summary]
It's going to be a great weekend, most absolutely great weekend.
A little breaking news for you.
A flaming object was spotted streaking through the Saturday night sky out across western Oregon.
Now, the impact.
Yes, impact.
So it hit the ground.
Heard all the way from Salem to Medford, according to various reports.
A 3.3 coincidental question mark earthquake in Washington newspapers across the western half of the state.
And KPTV were getting phone calls from people who saw the object.
Summer Jensen of Portland said, why she was just sitting in her living room with her dad when the flash came outside.
They rushed to see what it was.
She said, I've never seen anything like that in my life.
Saying the object seemed to be moving slowly compared to a typical meteor or shooting star.
Well, it's a UFO, isn't it?
Unidentified flying object, right?
Until they find the rock.
Now they may find the rock, but I've always said this about meteors.
Until they find the evidence, they really don't know what it was.
Anyway, getting reports from all over the northwest of quite an occurrence tonight, that is ongoing.
At 7.30 p.m.
Indianapolis time, cascading, extended, rapid-fire waves of sonic booms lasted for about five minutes.
The prisoner sending the email said I thought it was thunder, maybe fireworks at first, but sonic booms for sure.
No mention on the local news.
So that's all kind of breaking, developing news, and we'll watch it as the program continues tonight.
Something big over the Northwest.
Briefly, worldwide, a gunman opened fire Saturday.
I guess you've heard about this at a church service.
Great, huh?
It was being held at a suburban Milwaukee hotel.
It killed seven people.
He killed seven people before taking his own life.
Authorities said officers found four people and the gunman dead when they arrived at about 1 p.m. at the Sheraton Hotel.
Three others died later at a hospital.
And so there you have it, a gunman opening fire at a church.
The suspect in the courthouse shootings of a judge and two other people, here we go again, waved a white cloth and surrendered to authorities Saturday, but not before police say he killed an immigration agent and held a woman hostage for hours in her own apartment.
Too much of this in the news, huh?
Ukraine withdrew 150 servicemen from Iraq on Saturday, beginning a gradual pullout as Shiite and Kurdish politicians refine plans to form a coalition government that officials say includes an agreement not to turn the country into an Islamic state.
And this, Rod Stewart, has proposed to his longtime girlfriend at the top of the Eiffel Tower.
How romantic can you get in Paris?
Stewart's record company said Saturday, that would be BMG, that Stewart went down on one knee and proposed to his 33-year-old-to-be-bride, Penny Lancaster, at the French landmark on Wednesday.
She did accept they will be married.
Go Rod.
All right, now the following refers to last Saturday night's blow-out show with Popular Mechanics magazine, Mr. Chiritoff.
I have posted tonight an open letter on the website, which you're welcome to go and read slowly if you like, but here it is.
It's an open letter to my listeners.
Just so there is no confusion about my position, and I don't want there to be, please let me state for the record, I do not believe that President Bush ordered or authorized the 9-11 attack as was posted on the Rent site 91704 Thomas Bouya.
It was an article by Thomas Bouye.
This was only one, though, of many such articles found on that site.
Yes, we do have a free press, of course, and it is constitutional to write such trash.
But it is also my right to say I think those who are making such charges are repulsive, and publishing such articles is yellow journalism.
The Ren site has been attacking me now, and you may not be aware, for several years.
I've never fired back, because frankly, what they've chosen to say about me is not important.
However, what they charge about the president, our President Bush, and America is damaging to all of us.
Now, much as I think we must always be alert to what our government does, and we must, I also feel that we must be alert to BS when we see it.
If there were any proof, any proof that our president ordered the murder of our citizens, we would be in the middle of impeachment hearings right now.
Or worse, much worse, make no mistake, that is what we're talking about here.
There may be some questions in all the confusion of what happened in 9-11, I'll grant you that, but none of it, None of it adds up to we did this to our own people.
It's not possible to be just a little bit pregnant on this issue, and I'm not going to be, I will not be part of the blame America First crowd.
No, thank you.
I've examined all the so-called evidence offered by those who make claims ranging all the way from bombs to missiles and a whole lot more.
I find no smoking gun.
That's at coast to coast AM.
This program has had several guests that have talked about these claims without challenge.
The moment one guest was put on the show airing an opposing view, the wing crowd began yelling, how unfair.
How can a group of people who claim to be open-minded possibly take, how can they possibly take such a closed-minded view?
Perhaps they're not as open-minded as they claim.
Worse yet, they call names and they make threats.
Oh, how many threats have I had?
I've been doing this a while now, folks, and the threats and name-calling and threats of boycotts and stuff like that, they don't affect me.
One post-9-11 effect is quite clear.
We're a much less civil society.
I believe much of what is being charged is, and frankly, political, not criminal.
The wingnuts, of course, are not going to admit this, but scratch just a little deeper, and you're almost always going to find a Bush hater.
Now, I'm not a Bush fan for reasons that have nothing to do with 9-11, but I'm also not a Bush basher.
I voted for John Kerry, as I've told you, and I did that because he made a promise not to put nuclear waste in my backyard.
Most politics are local and was in my case.
I'm for the most part neutral, frankly, with regard to President Bush.
I'm a libertarian who believes in personal responsibility and less government in our lives.
Now, being almost 60 years old, maybe I'm an old-fashioned American who believes that America is still the best country in the world.
I come to this view having seen much of the rest of it.
America surely is not perfect, but it is the best.
Maybe some of our tax money would be really well spent by giving our young people in America a round-trip ticket to the country of their choice.
I'm guessing most would hurry back with a much improved world view.
And so I have had that letter posted on the website for you to take a look at.
Now, of all the baloney that I received after last week's program, one of the more interesting, I thought, was the following.
If you don't think three-quarters of the ham operators that Art Bell spends so much time talking to are not working for the government, you'd be nuts.
So I took the trouble of writing emails to four of my amateur radio friends and asking them for admissions, which three of them are the government agents.
in a moment I have a surprise for you As many of you know, one of the points of contention that I do, in fact, have with our president is over energy issues.
I feel very, very strongly about them.
And a friend of mine called up here a little while ago, earlier tonight, about an hour and a half ago, I guess.
And after sending me an email, I guess maybe one of the, no, the best-known country singer in the world is Willie Nelson.
And Willie Nelson called me, I don't know, a couple hours ago, maybe.
And he wanted to talk a little bit about biodiesel.
Now, I've got a big, you know, 37-foot RV.
I love it.
And I'm told by Willie that I could put biodiesel in my RV, smelling somewhat like a French fry, tooling down the highway, and burning the leave-ins of, you know, I guess, fast food places or whatever.
I don't know what the deal is, but Willie Nelson does, ladies and gentlemen, Willie Nelson.
Yeah, and if it's later than a 1944 or something like that engine, all you have to do is just back up and pump it full of biodiesel and take off.
And I'm living in New Mercedes and only My wife has a Volkswagen.
Volkswagen's never had anything in it but biodiesel.
And what we're using over there comes from the grease traps in the restaurants on Maui where we live.
A guy goes around, collects all the grease traps, takes it back, recycles it, takes out the detergents, comes up with 100% vegetable oil, and we put it right in our cars.
Well, you know, I told you that story, you know, about when I was accepting an environmental award in L.A. a few weeks ago, and I was telling them that me and my wife have automobiles that are environmentally friendly, that runs on biodiesel.
And I said, the other night I pulled my car in the garage and closed the door, left the motor running, went to sleep, woke up the next morning, and I gained five pounds.
Willie, if it were in mass production for, you know, all across America for the truckers, and they use a lot of fuel, and fuel is getting really expensive.
Any idea what the cost per gallon as compared to gasoline or regular diesel might be?
I'm listening to you on XM Radio now, and a friend of mine, Bill Mike, has a show on XM Radio on channel, I think it's 171.
And every Wednesday, I've been having an hour show where I talk to truckers who call in, and we've been talking about biodiesel, and I've been getting their opinions and telling where they can find it.
So far, I have had no complaints.
Every trucker who's used it said he gets better gas pilotage, it burns cleaner, and it's the future, and it's going to take a little talking about it.
The demand will have to get there before we get the supply.
Well, I've got about a gazillion truckers listening to this program right now.
So the bottom line for these truckers is if they go by one of these locations or go to biodiesel.org and find out where they are, they can give it a try.
And now, in the beginning, if you've been running regular diesel, in the beginning, you may have to change your filter a little earlier because it does clean the engine, and that stuff's got to go somewhere.
So you may have to change your filter a little earlier than you normally would.
But after that, and you keep running biodiesel, well, then you won't have that problem at all.
Now I'm turning to the twilight zone The race is in my house, the fears I can't know My feet are up and blue, up and moon and star Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
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No, I can't make it there that quickly, but I've seen it a hundred times, sir, so I certainly know what you're talking about.
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Okay, I want to give you my interpretation of what it's showing.
Sure.
Those little white things that look like crescents, those are support arches supporting a transparent shield underneath which, in my opinion, is a combination greenhouse, public throughway, and a solar heat collector.
I mean, consider how many truckers are out there listening in the night.
If they began the movement themselves and they can, without changing anything, all they've got to do is pull up to the right dispensing station and give it a try.
Maybe we can make this happen whether the powers that be want it to or not.
You have the power to do that simply by taking the suggestion and running with it, finding one of these spots and filling up.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I fully agree with you.
That was a great interview with Willie, and we need to do something about this evil empire of oil that keeps raising the prices and putting the people down.
I think we should have an Energy Independence Day and run on soybeans.
And do you think there's a conspiracy going on?
I'm sure there is because these oil prices here in Southern California, I live in Los Angeles, and this is Edson.
Usually there's some kind of, you know, some caveat, right?
Something that has to be done that, for example, a trucker would have to convert his truck or his engine in some way.
And you can see that people wouldn't go out of their way necessarily to do that.
But if all you've got to do is pull up to a station dispensing this stuff, and that's it, and you give it a try, and you begin smelling like a french fry for a while, but you get a good ride, well, then let's rock.
You're still going to make carbon dioxide and water vapor.
Sure.
So you're still going to have a lot of the, I guess you could say, greenhouse gases coming out of the stacks of the trucks or exhaust pipes of the diesel.
But even if it helps wean us off our dependence on foreign oil from the Saudis and others, have no argument with that.
Then it would be worth doing on that basis alone.
unidentified
Right, agree with that.
But people seem to think that biodiesel is going to be environmentally more friendly.
What they don't realize is they don't realize on the production side of the equation, it still takes electricity and heat generated by either natural gas or some other fossil fuel to drive the process.
And then I guess, you know, look, if we do nothing more than help American farmers, and it would help American farmers if you can make it out of soybeans, for goodness sake.
And we wean ourselves off the foreign oil, that's enough for me right there.
unidentified
Oh, and I have no problem with that.
I agree with that.
I just, you know, want people to understand that from an environmental standpoint, it's not necessarily as clean as, you know, it's like burning methanol.
You know, methanol helps farmers, no doubt about it.
But it's still, you have things on the back end of this that most people don't consider when it's done.
Yeah, we're actually working on a campaign right now to get the university to put biodiesel in the buses.
But I just wanted to let anyone else know who may be in the university system that this is definitely a good alternative to the diesel that the buses run on now.
And something that we as students should definitely work to promote, you know, throughout the university systems as a whole.
Yeah, like I said, like I told you during the break, I used to live in Indiana where they were doing the big thing with the gasohol and producing methanol.
Yeah, somebody just mentioned that a moment ago, and your cell phone's breaking up a little bit now.
But yes, you lived in Indiana.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah, that was me that mentioned it.
I lived in Indiana, and the farmers that were producing the corn for the methanol were beginning to lose their government subsidies because of producing the corn for the methanol.
In the town which I live in, which is Ithaca, New York, in order to avoid clogging the drains, they have separate drains from the restaurants for cooking oil.
And this is already harvested and used in the buses.
But unfortunately, I heard this on NPR as well as on Coast to Coast on 5 May 97.
And it was one of your shows.
It was a Tuesday, Wednesday, Art the host, and the guest was Ann Martin.
And it was about the use of pets that are euthanized for products.
And she was talking about their use in pet foods.
But on NTR, they were talking about the use of the fat from euthanized pets mixed in with the restaurant fat waste as diesel fuel.
And if we love our beloved pets and don't want cruelty and don't want BFET.
Uh matter of fact, you know, four and a half hours after uh the other buildings are already down, supposedly there's an explosion in there, and then this building goes down.
Now, if you look at the film of that, there's no way that building didn't come down other than demolition.
I mean the way it came down perfectly straight, I mean give me a break.
I mean if you could look at that and say, well, part of the building was taken out by the towers or something like that.
Well yes, clearly, sir, if you look carefully, you'll see a great deal of the fascia is gone.
And if you listen to the structural engineers talk about the way the columns in that building number seven were harmed and stressed, then I think they've proven from, or at least fairly conclusively, there's still work going on on that part of it, but that there was sufficient evidence to indicate that there had been enough damage to bring number seven down.
Yes, I had Willie Nelson on a little while ago, and he's running biodiesel, and I thought that was pretty cool.
unidentified
Yeah, I do, too.
I'm an electrical engineer, and it really interested me.
Some time ago, I had a Mercedes, and I was really low on fuel, and the only thing that I could find that was open in this little town I was passing through is a grocery store.
No kidding.
And what I did, I had about an eighth of a tank of number one diesel in it.
It was an old Mercedes.
And I put two gallons of corn oil in it right off the shelf.
Well, we've got millions and millions of truckers on the road out there.
My God, sir.
Imagine if they took our word for it, Willie's word for it, and stopped and filled up on biodiesel, and that began to happen more and more and more, and we get the bull rolling, and before you know it, we've changed the world.
unidentified
A big change, too.
Yeah.
Actually, as an electrical engineer, there are probably going to be small, inexpensive modifications to make it even better.
Yeah, apparently with all this, Osira, there's not even a modification that you've got to do.
No modification needed.
Soybeans.
Right into the truck.
Come on.
Maybe we'll change the world.
Listen, this is Coast to Coast A.M. When we get back, Peter Novak.
We're going to talk about what happens when you die.
I'm R. Fell.
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I like step inside, but you don't see too many things in coming in out of the rain and here the jazz cool down.
The End Be it silent, sand, the smell, or touch, the something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch or the scent of the sand, or the strength of low woods deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memory's heart, and they use them to help us to fight.
Yeah!
Fine!
Fine, I'm not your soul, we'll take this place, on this trip, just for me.
Fine!
We'll take a free walk, and through my heart, up a seat, it's for free.
Wanna take a ride?
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What do you think the greatest question in life is?
Well, for me, I think there is no question about it.
It's whether there's anything after.
What is the nature of death?
Is it really the end?
The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out.
The end of consciousness, the big sleep?
Nothing on the other side.
Or, as thousands have suggested, there is something they say, those who have come back on the other side.
It's the biggest question there is for humanity.
A former psychological counselor, Peter Novak, walked away from patient care in 1985 to devote himself to the full-time study of death and the afterlife.
He has examined and compared the afterlife beliefs of dozens of cultures, old and new, interviewed hundreds of near-death experiencers, past-life regression subjects, psychologists, parapsychologists, theologians, and religious scholars around the world.
He spent the last 19 years studying an ancient religious belief, the binary soul doctrine, which he says provides a scientific explanation for virtually all afterlife phenomena being reported today, as well as a majority of mankind's cultural traditions about the afterlife.
Peter has been interviewed on several radio programs, appeared on a number of TV shows, has been a featured speaker at several conferences.
In addition, his research has been featured in a number of academic and professional journals as well as magazines.
There is no bigger question here to deal with it in a moment.
Peter Novak.
Music Over the years, I have interviewed many people who have gone to the door of death.
They've been physically dead, and they've come back, and I've heard things that have curled my hair.
But, you know, there's always that seed of doubt.
I think all of us wish very strongly in our hearts to believe there is something that comes after death, a very, very strong desire, maybe the strongest of them all.
But there's always that seed of doubt.
If you haven't been there and done that, well, there's a seat of doubt.
And there cannot be a better way to open up any interview than to ask this first question.
Peter, what makes you think you have discovered the secret of death?
So then when you say you've discovered the secret of death, you mean a combination of studying the religions, studying the testimony of those who have died and come back, all of that, is enough for you to say, yeah, it's real.
It really.
All right, but here I'm going to try and play the devil's advocate with you a little bit because believe me, Peter, I want to believe.
And that wanting has led me down many paths, you know, into EVP and all kinds of, you know, looking at ghosts and looking at all these reports of the people who have come back.
And you're just saying that all this evidence put together is a verdict.
I think, and that's a really good analogy because if you see, if you're in a courtroom and you see all the evidence that's playing to one conclusion, then yes, you can feel comfortable making that conclusion.
Now, I think that the problem that we've had is that not knowing this ancient theory that used to exist, we've looked at all the different kind of afterlife reports and we've seen them as being very different that's concerned me, Peter.
Number one, people should be made aware that not everybody who clinically dies comes back with stories of white lights and relatives and all the rest of it.
But the ones that have the stories, the stories do seem to be consistent.
And as far as a lack of memory about what may or may not have happened while they were unconscious or while they were dead, does not in and itself deny that something happened.
Some people report visions or visits to heaven or visits to hell.
Some people will report a visit to heaven and then a vision of hell.
They're looking into hell from the outside.
How many people do this?
How many people have the, that's what I call the light experience.
It's where they have a period where they encounter a huge area and it's filled with all kinds of forms and structures and meaning and a great deal of memory that they will experience and a great deal of emotion that they will experience during this phase.
Of all the people that do have the near-death experiences, it is less that report this than the people that just report the dark phase.
I don't know the exact numbers, but it is less.
The majority, the single most commonly reported element of near-death experiences is the dark phase, where they're just floating alone.
Peter, if we were to do a survey in modern America and ask how many Americans believe there is an existence, a consciousness that is after death, what kind of result do you think we would get?
Well, I think that what you're asking is how many people believe in life after death.
Yes.
And I think that the numbers are high.
I think they're in the high 80 percentile, the last ones that I've heard of.
That was within the last 10 years.
It's interesting that even though America is, and basically the whole world is growing less and less religious, we still seem to be very strongly, have strong belief in afterlife, in survival.
I think more people believe in heaven than hell, but still just basic survival.
I think that it is important because I think all cultures need to believe in life after death.
If cultures don't believe in life after death, then they start questioning the value of life.
They start questioning the value of their own life.
They start questioning the value of their neighbor's lives.
And they start, you know, if someone is walking down the street and he doesn't necessarily think his life is of any value, and he doesn't necessarily think that his neighbor's life is of any value, well, then he's not going to be a very law-abiding citizen.
If in the end, if you decide, if you believe that we live and we die, and then after we're gone, there's nothing left of us.
If there's no memory of any of our experiences or any of our choices, then none of those experiences and none of those choices have any intrinsic value.
And if they don't have any intrinsic value, then why act as if they do?
All right, but I've got a guy I interview, Matthew Alper, and he wrote a book called The God Part of the Brain.
He believes that there is something in our brain, some part of our brain, that is used because we have the greatest fear in the world for man is that of death.
And the only way that our brains can deal with the fear of death is by concocting the notion that there is something more.
There is a creator and there is a life after death.
Either there is a genuine experience, a genuine survival, a genuine life after death, or All the stories we hear about it are just people making up stories.
And that's why I think my research is so important because it shows that all these stories are basically saying the same thing.
They're all consistent.
And you wouldn't have that consistency if people were just randomly making up stories.
Of the people, well, first of all, the life review actually tends to occur at the very beginning of the light stage or during the transition between the dark phase and the light phase.
After they're floated in the dark void and then they go through the tunnel and then they find themselves in the realm of light, usually the life review occurs at the very beginning of that light phase.
And I think that it occurs in the majority of the cases of people that report a light phase.
Although I am under the impression that an awful lot of people in the modern age have had near-death experiences as young children experiencing fevers and whatnot that they don't remember consciously.
a hundred and three and i began to see things and imagine things but g_p_p_ you know that seems to me if you're going to count that as an after death experience it it it to me it lessons the well well no i'm saying i'm saying that they
a person's behavior, a person's perspective on life.
And even if, I think there's a lot of people in culture, in our culture, that even though they don't recognize that they've had near-death experiences, you still seem to see the effects of them as if they had had some.
So you have to question, maybe they did and don't remember it.
It seems that two, three, four thousand years ago, cultures all over the planet, religions all over the planet had the same idea about what happened after you die.
They believe that people possess, while you're alive, two separate souls.
And when you die, these two souls would separate from each other and they would go off and have very, very different kinds of afterlife experiences.
Now, the interesting thing about that theory is that a lot of these traditions describe those two souls the same way that modern science now describes the conscious and the unconscious, or the left brain and the right brain.
And if you ask yourself, well, what would happen if the conscious and the unconscious actually did survive death but divided apart in the process, that theory explains virtually everything you can find about different kinds of afterlife phenomena.
It explains near-death experiences, it explains ghosts, it explains poltergeists, it explains past life regression, it explains reincarnation in heaven and hell, it explains limbo.
I think that it even explains traditions about zombies and vampires.
You know, actually, that's something I've always worried about.
That one reason for religion might be to keep everybody sort of in control.
And Peter said it himself, that that's the reason people need to believe in life after death, because otherwise there would be no control.
Every day now, we get more stories about people walking into churches with guns and opening fire or office buildings or whatever, and then doing themselves at the end.
It seems like that might be that kind of people.
You know, if you didn't believe there was anything coming after, then what would stop you from doing something like that?
And we have all this information and data coming in from every quarter.
And, you know, this is not the way it was 100 years ago, 200 years ago, 1,000 years ago.
And nowadays, things are very different.
Nowadays, we hear all these different kinds of stories about near-death experiences and about past life regression and about this belief from this culture and that belief from that culture.
And they all seem to be very different.
And because of this, people are having a hard time saying, well, you know, why should I believe in anything?
They all seem to be telling me something different.
They're different, Peter, but they're also similar.
And again, I go back to my good friend Matthew Alper, who talks about this God, part of the brain.
And he said, look, you know, even if you go to these deserts, some island, jungle island in the South Pacific where, you know, modern man has never gone before, when you get there, you're going to find some natives who believe in something.
They worship the sun or the moon or they make sacrifices or, you know, they believe in something.
I have interviewed people and I have done a lot of research of other people, other people's work.
I actually look at myself as being the next generation of afterlife research.
You know, right now we have tons of people that are out there studying near-death experiences.
We have tons of people that are out there studying ghosts.
We have another set of people out there studying poltergeists.
Another set of people out there studying out-of-body experiences.
Another set of people out there studying soul retrieval.
Another set of people out there studying past-life regression.
And each of these sets are coming away and they're saying, okay, this is what we see.
And they'll give you a report, and it's a consistent report within that group.
You see, okay, everybody talking about these kind of experiences are saying this, this, this.
And each of these groups are separate, and they're not taking into account what the other groups, but presumably are also talking about what happens after death.
They're not taking that into account.
As far as I know, my research is the only research that has seen a connection between all these different groups.
Yes, they are all looking at the same phenomenon.
They might be looking at it from slightly different angles, but it is the same critter.
Other than Christ, and we did not get a chance to interview Christ, but other than, yes, we've had phenomena after phenomena, people with near-death experiences, people who have no more heartbeat and no electrical activity supposedly in their brains, and somehow then they come back.
But, Peter, nobody who's been really dead, really dead, as in dead for hours or days or weeks or months, none of those folks have ever come back.
There are people claiming that, but still, these claims are coming from active, alive, living brains.
And the point I was trying to make is that nobody who's really been dead, physically dead, for an indisputable amount of time, a month, none of those people have come back.
And there have been regressions into what appear to be prior lives.
But the skeptic would say, okay, this is something, a fantasy concocted in a living brain that you're hearing about, that I had this prior life and I died in such a way.
And now getting back onto your side of things, people seem to be able to make, you know, give details of these prior lives that are then verifiable.
And that does, I've got to admit, that's pretty strong stuff.
There are some very, very good reports of verified past life memories, yes.
But what gets me excited is that there is a pattern within all these different sets of reports that it's a consistent pattern that I don't think could happen by chance.
It would definitely not happen if these were figments of people's imagination, whether they were deluding themselves, whether they were intentionally creating these stories.
This pattern that is occurring within all the different sects would not be there if they were just being created out of the person's imagination.
I think this pattern represents proof that all these different sects are actually looking at legitimate objective phenomena.
Well, do you have any examples of people who have described prior lives and then the proof has been obtained that they were right or in some cases wrong?
Well, there was one example within Stevenson's work where there was a young boy that claimed to have been the husband of a wife of a family in India when he was like six years old.
He started making these claims.
And they took him to the other town and he identified a whole host of people that he had never seen before.
And he identified them by name and by profession And identified where they lived within the town.
If you have no active recollection of a past life, then what good does living many of them do you if you cannot carry the experience from one to the next?
It doesn't do you any good, and that's the problem.
That's the problem.
And that's what my whole research has been focused on, is the fact that if we divide at death, if our minds divide apart at death and we lose memory, then we cannot progress forward.
I think that they removed it in the early part of the 4th century when the church merged with the Roman Empire, with the Roman government.
Because, okay, if you're the government and you have control over the church, and the church is saying to everyone, okay, you have many lives.
You reincarnate many times as you want to get things right.
Everything's okay.
Well, then that reduces the control that the state has over you.
However, if the state has the power not only to kill you in this life, but also to permanently condemn you to eternity in heaven or hell, that gives the state an awful lot more power.
But in order to do that, the state has to deny the existence of reincarnation.
So I think that they did that in order to increase the state's ability to control the population.
They said, not only can we kill you, but we can permanently convict you to heaven or hell for the rest of your life.
If you thought there was an unending supply of lives to be had, then you're going to be looking at things a lot differently than if you think there's only one chance and you've got to get it right the first time around.
But, you know, it leads me back to my chief worry about all of this, Peter, and that is that it almost, I don't know, it almost sounds like you're preaching the importance of believing in an afterlife so that we all behave ourselves.
And you're sort of tossing in a lot of things about the stories being the same and so forth, but it still sounds like you believe that we should have it for control.
No, I think that if we cannot believe, we're in a lot of trouble.
But that's not why we should believe.
We should believe because the evidence points in that direction.
We are intelligent people.
We have gotten to the point in our communications on this planet in the 21st century that we're not going to accept some minute little belief system anymore.
We have the whole world to look at and all of the world's reports to consider.
And if those reports don't come up with, if those reports don't convince us of life after death, then the world is going to be in a lot of trouble.
But we are intelligent.
That fact is not going to change, you know, if we look at these reports, we do not see a consistent vision of life after death.
We are not going to believe in life after death regardless of whether it's going to destroy civilization or not.
That's irrelevant.
We are logical creatures.
We're only going to believe in life after death if logically it makes sense to us.
Okay, well, let me give you a little preview of the passages.
when you start into the pyramid, it's a single passage going down at about a 30 or 45 degree angle.
And it goes down and almost gets to ground level before it forks off.
And it forks off and has one passage going upward, another passage going downward.
The passage going downward goes to like a rough-hewn cell or crypt.
Meanwhile, the passage upward goes up for a ways, and then it splits off into two different passages, one of which goes to like a burial chamber called the Queen's Chamber, and then the one higher goes up to the burial chamber called the King's Chamber.
But now this in the pyramid's passageways, there's basically two forks in the road.
The first fork in the road actually is the fork that goes up in the first fork of the road is actually closed off by a, I believe, a granite plug.
Whereas the second fork in the road, it's similarly defined, similarly clarified because the larger, the passageway to the king's chamber is enlarged, right?
So on the first fork in the road, the upper passage is blocked, whereas in the second fork in the road, the upper passage is actually enhanced.
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There's a lot of different theories about what they believe, but what I have discovered is that the interior passageways of the Great Pyramid are a perfect reflection of the binary soul doctrine.
Okay, so you have your two non-physical elements going through the upper passageway, and then you find you come to a second fork in the road.
And unlike the first fork in the road, both passageways are open.
But like the first fork in the road, one passageway is something special about it, right?
The upper passageway has a much higher ceiling.
It's called, I forget what it's called, but anyway, it's a real high ceiling, and it really encourages, it visually encourages you to take the upper passageway.
But there is a fork in the road, and I believe that, actually, so there are two forks in this passageway.
I think the first fork in the road represents the first death, when the mental half of the person divides apart from the physical half.
But then the second fork in the road represents what the binary soul doctrine talks about.
It talks about where the mind actually divides the part two.
It goes into two separate sections.
Religions used to call the second death.
You see the same report about the second death in a lot of different religions.
You see it in the ancient Egyptian religion.
You see it in ancient Judaism.
You see it in a lot of different ones.
And I believe that the Great Pyramid reflects this in the diagram or in the design of the passageway.
Well, what it does mean is that that's what the Egyptians may well have believed.
Right.
but it doesn't necessarily lend any sort of absolute reality the way testimony does about a prior life for example of life after death it is sort of illustrates what the egyptians Okay, I can swallow that.
Now, my research has convinced me that what we are seeing today being reported about near-death experiences and past life regression and ghosts and all the rest support that ancient belief system.
All these modern reports can be explained by that ancient belief that the mind splits apart into two parts.
And what's amazing to me, Art, what's amazing to me is that 4,000 years ago, the Egyptians and all these other traditions, all these other cultures, they believed that the mind had two parts.
And now, today, our modern science has come to the same conclusion.
Our psychologists have said, well, we have a conscious and an unconscious.
Our neurologists have said, oh, we have a left brain and a right brain.
And they're very different.
That's quite true.
And this is a virtual duplication of what these ancient people used to believe.
As a matter of fact, we have a modern psychiatrist that works out of Harvard.
His name is Schiffer.
And he's written a book called Of Two Minds.
And he says that the right brain and the left brain are not just two halves of the mind, but that they actually represent two separate selves that exist in the brain at the same time.
And that most of the time these two selves are integrated together, but they can function completely independently of each other.
Now, that's exactly what the ancient Egyptians believed.
They believed that when you die, these two halves of the mind were completely separate and function completely independently of each other.
Now it's just amazing to me that modern science has come to the same conclusion that these cultures believed all these thousands of years ago.
Well, maybe because it's a, I don't know, it's a kind of a natural way for us to go.
I mean, we are aware of our consciousness when we're awake, and we're aware of the fact that we have a subconscious as well that sometimes manifests dreams and all the rest of it when we sleep, right?
Let's talk a little bit about original Christianity.
If you just wrote a book about that, I'd be quite curious, how different is original Christianity from what is practiced today?
Well, the Nag Hammadi scriptures that were found in Egypt in 1945 have documented that they did in fact believe, at least certain segments or certain sects of Christianity believed in reincarnation from the very earliest years.
Now, it poses a very interesting problem because how could they have believed in reincarnation and also have believed in resurrection at the same time?
But I still ask, even if reincarnation is real, and it may well be real, there's quite a bit of very compelling evidence that it is real, and that it was written out of religion.
I still don't get it, Peter.
And what I don't get about it is, if you have no conscious memory of prior lives, then so what?
You might as well, you know, you talk about being dead, worms crawl in and worms crawl out.
If there's no carrying forth of the memories and the experiences, the life experiences from one life to another, then you might as well say you're dead.
And you have touched upon the central problem with religion, the central problem with Christianity, the central problem with the Eastern religions that believe in reincarnation.
And I think the answer to that, you know, we're going deeper and deeper into religion here.
The answer to that problem is that this is not the way it was supposed to be.
We were not originally supposed to divide apart at death.
When we did, it screwed up everything.
And I think that the moment when all everything got screwed up was it was recorded maybe incorrectly or obscurely so, but it was recorded as the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden that was in the Bible and all of that.
It was an original, at some point early on in the human race.
Okay, I think I do understand where you're coming from.
So the unconscious part of the mind, storing all the memories, is what goes to heaven or hell, or on to the next level.
I guess we'll talk about that here in a while, but goes in that direction, while the conscious portion, which is only in the here and now and doesn't contain all the memories, that's what reincarnates, and that accounts for the fact that you lose your memory.
It's just the here and now part of the mind.
That's kind of interesting.
So and then, okay, so let's break over to the other part, that part, that unconscious part that has memories.
It was actually John Lear repeating something somebody else said.
But the bottom line is, maybe even Whitley.
The bottom line is, the line was, and it's always bothered me, Peter, when you die, you know, you'll be given the choice of going to the light or the darkness.
Don't go to the light, they said.
It's a trick.
Go to the darkness.
That the light is a trick.
And nothing has ever bothered me as much since, Peter.
Okay, now the thing is, a lot of ancient religions, they would decided that, they seem to have decided that it was impossible to prevent this division of the mind from occurring.
They thought that it was just too hard, or maybe there was completely impossible, to prevent this division of the mind from occurring.
And so instead of trying to prevent that division, what they would do is try to help a person to identify with one half of the mind and disidentify it with the other half.
And that way, the division would not bother them as much.
Now, some of the Eastern religions, like Islam and like Hinduism and Buddhism, they seem to have identified with the conscious mind, with the conscious half of the mind.
Whereas other religions like Christianity and Judaism, they seem to have identified with the unconscious.
They said that the most important part of yourself is your own innermost soul and soul and your feelings and your emotions.
And whereas the Eastern religion said, the most important part of yourself is the dispassionate, unfeeling, abstract part of yourself.
And I believe that they did this because they basically gave up hope on preventing the division from occurring and said, well, this is the next best thing.
If you can identify with just one half or the other.
Now, this is exactly opposite of the way I would have thought, but it's intriguing to think of it this way.
The conscious part, actually just being that part which lives in the moment.
Not the part that has any of our memories or any of our experience at all, but just that part of our mind that lives in the moment, the conscious moment.
And that's the part that reincarnates with no memory of the past.
So I don't know then what is the substance to that part of the mind.
On the other hand, Peter says the substantive part of our mind is that which holds the memories and the experiences, and that is the subconscious part of the mind that goes in a very different direction.
in a moment once again peter novak I guess it really is humorous in a way.
All these years since hearing that trick thing, it's bothered the hell out of me.
And I don't see how I'm possibly going to pass on and get to that fork in the road, the darkness and the light, without, I don't know, pausing there on the path and looking back and forth.
Darkness, light.
John Lear.
Darkness, light.
Darkness, light.
Big choice, right?
Probably be stuck there looking back and forth.
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That trick thing is going to bother me until I die, and then definitely afterward, if there's some kind of choice or something, it's going to drive me nuts.
And I hate to hear that there's any substance apparently to it.
All right, so our mind divides.
Right.
And is there any modern eyewitness kind of testimony about this, about soul division?
Anybody who's come back and talked about the division of the mind?
I was actually surprised to discover that there were eyewitnesses to this in the modern age.
When I had written my first book, I was going purely on circumstantial evidence.
I didn't realize that there was actually eyewitness evidence supporting this.
I have since discovered that there are a number of near-death experienced subjects who have reported having their minds splitting apart after they die.
Now, some of these subjects, they say they will report that they saw themselves splitting in two.
They saw another part of themselves separating, going off in another direction.
But there are other reports of near-death experiences where they would actually describe when their minds divided apart that they would experience subjectively being in both halves at the same time, but separating and looking at each other.
I do not believe that that choice is not coming into that situation.
You do not choose at that point in time whether your mind is going to divide apart or not.
If your mind is going to divide apart, by that point it has already been decided.
It is already a foregone conclusion if it's going to happen or not.
If it's going to happen, it's going to be because over the course of your life, you have already divided your life, divided your mind apart while you were living.
In what way?
You did that by alienating your unconscious mind from your conscious mind.
You know, all of us, as we go through our lives, our unconscious is constantly whispering to us, telling us, oh, you should have done this.
And so if one half of your mind is rejecting the other half of your mind while you're alive, then when you die, it does not surprise me if those two halves of the mind completely divide apart from each other.
If, on the other hand, over the course of your life, you listened to your moral voice of your unconscious, you embraced it, you recognized it, you tried to integrate its messages into the way you live your life, then you would not divide yourself in two in life, and then you would not divide apart when you die.
And I also think that's why some people, like some of the most exalted, most advanced Hindu holy men and Buddhist holy men, they claim they have reincarnated with memory.
They have not divided apart between lives.
They were able to maintain their memory from one life to the next.
Now, what we see today of that phenomenon is very, very faint.
You know, you see, like these lamas, and they will come back and they will have actually quite vague memories of the previous life.
They will be able to have enough memory of their previous life to recognize personal possessions from their past life and this and that.
But there are elements of mankind's ancient traditions that lead me to an amazing hope, to a very exciting hope for me.
And that is that I believe that in mankind's distant past, we all knew how to do this.
And we reincarnated with memory again and again and again and again and again to the point that we would have, you know, we would have a continuous self-conscious awareness for 500 years, 1,000 years, 2,000 years.
If you look at the traditions of cultures in the Middle East, of Egypt, of India, of Mesopotamia, of even the Bible and the Jews, they will say that way back, way back, people lived for a long time.
They lived for 500 years, 1,000 years, 2,000 years.
And I believe, my research into the binary soul doctrine has convinced me that what those traditions are actually saying is not that their physical bodies lived for that long.
Well, all right, so in their case, what evidence exists of, yes, okay, their consciousness goes flying into another life that doesn't know a damn thing about the prior life.
You think that produces such, I don't know, some of them are so unrested that they simply cannot proceed as they should otherwise and they become ghosts?
I think that the haunting ghost and the poltergeist, we're looking at the two different halves of the mind.
Whereas the haunting ghost tends to be completely frozen in their own memories and their own emotions, and they're completely subjective and they're not aware of what's going on around them.
The exact opposite is true about poltergeists.
They don't seem to have any memories or emotions of their own, and they seem to be completely focused on what's going on around them.
Well, see, the question is, the question is, if you see this ghost, right?
You see this ghost and he's doing whatever it is he's doing, he's doing it again and again and again.
You're looking at him objectively.
You're looking at him from a third person.
You can't necessarily tell what he's experiencing within his own mind.
Within his own mind, he could be experiencing that he's in hell.
It's very interesting if you look at different reports of hell from near-death experiences.
There are two different kinds of reports about this.
One in which people, during a near-death experience, they discover, oh, I am in hell, or it feels like I'm in hell.
And they would describe a scene of extreme agony and torture.
You know, it's going to be very, very horrible to even read these reports.
But then you also hear a different kind of reports about people who go to heaven and then they get to look into hell.
And what they see there is a very different kind of thing.
They see these creatures that are walking around and they're just kind of aimless and they're just kind of having internal surges of anxiety and distress.
Actually, I think that there are two different kinds of heaven.
I think that there is a heaven for a separated mind, and then there is a totally different kind of a thing for the person whose mind does not divide apart.
I think that for the person who has a separated mind, it is basically a dream world experience.
It's a dream reality.
It's a construct that they have created with their own minds, within their own minds.
No, I think that they would be in a worse place, but they may not realize it because without their conscious mind, they do not have the intellectual capacity to realize the limitations of their existence.
They don't have the ability to make choices.
They don't have the ability to be free and independent and creative.
But they wouldn't realize that either, so it wouldn't be a big problem for them.
Well, I'm appreciative of the fact that you're doing the best you can anyway.
This is a whole different way of looking at all of this for me, and it's perhaps a logical way.
I can sort of understand what you've been saying.
I really can.
So the split minds that go to a heaven, it's really not as high a calling as the whole mind that goes forward and becomes another complete person and their life continues for, well, indefinitely.
It's always absolutely fascinating watching the audience reaction.
And as it began to sink in, people have paid my guest compliments.
My guest, by the way, Peter Novak, everything from, I think he's virtually discovered the religious equivalent of the theory of everything to a simple, come on, Art, Christians don't believe in that reincarnation, B.S. You know, they regard it as heretical.
So you get all lines of opinion.
Some things for sure though, it's a lot to think about.
One thing's for sure, if you listen to this program, in order to sort of get some brain food and something different to think about, you've definitely received your money's worth this morning.
Peter Novak is my guest.
And he's talking about the binary mind, the splitting of the mind, with respect to life after death, with respect to whether we retain consciousness or not.
I mean, we can all look around the world right now, and whether it's admitted or not, we're really involved in war, as we have been, I guess, in all of man's memory because of our different beliefs, right?
There are people attacking us because of their beliefs, and they've concluded we're not going to convert to theirs, so they're going to kill us instead, either convert or kill.
So some might argue we haven't made much progress.
But I think that actually there's really only one belief even today, and that's that it's a choice, really, not a belief.
It's a choice of whether or not we choose to listen to our own highest values, our own highest ideals, or we choose to ignore and reject them.
And that's the choice that people have always had, and the choice that people always will have.
And I think that while you could argue that today you see a conflict between belief systems, I think the actual, the only conflict is whether or not we should listen to our own conscience or whether we should listen to our own fear.
I think a lot of people who have listened to what you've said this morning Feel some truth about it deep in their soul, but you just never know what people think.
We're about to find out.
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I think that it experiences karma in that the elements of the life that it confronts, the elements of the life that it goes to next, reflects the consequences of the actions that it did in its previous life.
If it's a conscious part of the mind that reincarnates with absolutely no memory of prior behavior, then it's getting karma that is punishing it like a little black cloud following it around, punishing it for something it has no memory of.
Now, see, that goes way back to the whole question of in the beginning, when we first started to divide apart and lose our memory between lives, did we choose that?
Did we do that consciously?
Did we realize that that was going to be the consequence of that choice or not?
If it was, then, you know, generations later, we would still be justified in confronting the consequences of our behavior.
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I was reading in the Book of Mary Magdalene, and Jesus was talking about, you said, the different parts of the mind, and he talks about the soul, the psyche, and what they call the GNOS or N-A-U-S.
Yes, the Gospel of Mary does talk about, I think that the passage you're talking about, this was a passage, this was a book that was discovered among the Nagah Mahdi scriptures in 1945.
And the passage you're talking about, Mary asks Jesus, she says, okay, I just saw a vision, Lord, she says, and when I saw the vision, did I see that vision with my soul or with my spirit?
And he said, no, you did not see that vision with your soul or with your spirit.
You saw that vision with the new, the N-O-U-S, that exists between the soul and the spirit.
And that's a very, very important passage in that book because that shows that when that book was written, that not only did it believe in the binary soul doctrine, it believed that you have two parts, but it also believed that there was a unity that was believed to exist between the two parts.
That there was a wholeness, there was a completion, there was an actual self that existed.
And there was that self, it was that mind.
New means mind in Greek.
That mind, that wholeness, that experience, that vision is what he was saying.
Well, anyway, I heard you were saying something like somebody told you don't go into the light because it's a trick.
Yes.
And then, Peter, you said that's like the sour grapes situation.
And I'm kind of wondering if maybe the Eastern people believe to choose light for reincarnation for a second chance of being better in a different life because maybe they know they've screwed up and they're too afraid of judgment quite yet.
And maybe they think that because there is the opinion to go to or I'm sorry, because there is an option to go both ways instead of just one way, that maybe they're just not quite ready for judgment.
And maybe the Western thinks that we should choose the dark way for a chance of final judgment and hopes to get into heaven even if they've had a less than perfect life and hoping that they would have forgiveness from Jesus.
There are a lot of, I think that really a lot more today than maybe 20 years ago, 50 years ago.
People are a lot more open-minded.
They have been exposed to a lot more different perspectives, and they're a lot more interested in seeing an integration of the different kind of perspectives that are out there.
Yes, some are receptive, and some definitely are not.
Some are very dyed-in-the-wall.
They have been taught what to believe, and I don't think they've ever actually considered things for themselves.
They simply accepted what it is that they were taught from generations past, and they've not tried to adapt that to any new information, any new data, such as we've seen in the last 50 years or so.
I think that the two halves of the soul, the conscious and the unconscious, the left brain and the right brain, they really reflect the two political parties in America today.
The conscious mind is very objective.
It's very impersonal.
It believes in its own free will, its own independence, its own autonomy.
Its own ability to work for itself.
The conscious mind believes itself to be a whole unto itself.
And that's because the conscious mind, the left brain mind recognizes details.
And because in Taiwan, usually people have a common idea that we all have.
For example, if somebody has some bad thing happened to him, for example, he has some kind of disease or have some kind of car accident, people will say that, oh, in your previous life, you must have done something wrong.
All right, my guest is Peter Novak, and we're taking questions for him.
Actually, it's a fascinating look at who we might be and where we might go when this life is over.
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Tomorrow night, Jim Birkland will be here, and with all the volcanoes popping, you know, of course, Mount St. Helens is last week, and that's not all in Russia, all around the world, and a lot of earthquakes occurring.
It's, well, actually, a perfect time for Jim Birkland.
We'll talk about what's going on with the Earth tomorrow night in a confused little discussion, I would say.
Peter, in your own personal life, do you think that you've connected the two halves of your mind sufficiently that you expect reincarnation as a whole?
A lot of different cultures believed that you could be reincarnated in another species besides human.
But whether these are or not, you know, I could just give you pure speculation.
But one thing I would add is that I have started to become intrigued lately about possible connections between the binary soul doctrine and reports of alien abductions, because there seems to be a couple connections there that are intriguing to me.
The one answer is that the division between the conscious and the unconscious, the division between the soul and the spirit, it's never complete.
It's never absolute.
It's experiential rather than absolute.
The division between the conscious and the unconscious is leaky.
There's always a certain amount of leakage that occurs.
You know, you hear about this with Freudian slips and all kinds of things.
You cannot completely keep the unconscious down.
That would be one part.
The other part would be that I believe that we actually only have one soul and one spirit.
However, each lifetime, it's only a portion of that soul that we use for each individual life that we use and we record all of our memories under that one little portion.
So at the end of that life, that portion is separated away and we get a new portion of the soul that becomes the soul for the following life.
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So you're saying that, in other words, we come back with primarily a conscious mind, but there is some remnant of unconscious.
Right, there is some minor connection, and it is really our purpose in life, I believe, to increase that connection, to reunify The two halves of the mind.
How many people do you think are walking on earth right now, Peter, who have achieved that incredible oneness that will guarantee them coming back again and again as always?
What's very interesting is that if you look at reports of near-death experiences, the first phase, the dark phase, floating alone in an empty void or going through an empty tunnel, it's very often described as a complete lack of emotion, a sense of disconnection and detachment and disrelation.
And that changes, of course, in the light phase.
But what's interesting to me is that the two phases of the near-death experience suggest to me that the mind is in the process of dividing apart.
However, the person, it's a near-death experience, they do come back.
And I believe that when they come back, the two halves of the mind, they were dividing apart.
They kind of snap back together, kind of like a rubber band that was stretched apart and snaps back.
I think that that snapback actually ends up making the mind more whole, more complete, more integrated than it was before.
And that increased wholeness, that increased health of the mind after the near-death experience, I believe, explains a lot of the psychic abilities and psychic phenomena that people very commonly report after going through a near-death experience.
Daniel Brinkley is a very good example, hit by lightning.
And then a remarkable, overpowering ability to know about things and people.
And Daniel has told me that over a period of time, it faded.
It certainly is far from gone, but the amount of it faded.
Initially, it was so bad and so strong that the voices he would hear and the thoughts that he would hear from people near him would overwhelm him to the point of distraction.
It began that strongly and then sort of diminished a little bit at least.
Well, now I'm familiar with Danion's story, and as he reported it before his near-death experience, before his first one, he did not describe himself as being a very moral person.
And because of this, I think that after his near-death experience, his mind snapped back together and became stronger and healthier and more integrated and a stronger paranormal perception of the mind.
However, if he continued with the same kind of life behavior patterns that he had before, that according to the binary soul doctrine, that would have eventually redivided his mind, which would have reduced his psychic abilities once again.
I actually have memories of having a consciousness at birth.
And it's kind of strange because it's something that I've kind of remembered, little pieces that I've passed down through my life.
I'm like 47 years old now, and I probably remember more now than I did 20 years ago.
But I've actually passed down this consciousness, or this memory of this consciousness, number one being that I remember that it was a decision of mine to enter this life, and I think it was more than likely if there is such a thing as reincarnation,
It was my first one because I remember the shock of being born, the actually excruciating pain, just because of the sensation of actually having nerve endings or what have you, you know, and just feeling the excruciating pain and actually wanting to change my mind about my decision to do this.
It desensitized to where it was bearable, so I felt like I could go on with it.
But one other thing I do remember is that feeling that it was a test, that this life was a test, and I had a question of knowing that I had this wisdom of what it was all about.
Now, I don't remember all the details of that, but knowing that I had this feeling of what this was all about, and I thought, well, how can the world be so screwed up, basically, and how could anybody possibly fail this test?
And then be giving the wisdom that, well, that you're going to lose this, you're going to lose the memory that you have when you go into this life.
Maybe there's something to that yin-yang, you know, the negative, positive, and all of this might be responsible for this splitting.
And even more so, it would be interesting to find out who the architects are responsible for creating that splitting.
Now, another thing that reminds me of is now Michu Kaku.
He's been, I guess, on your program many times before, and he mentioned like the many-world theory of 12 dimensions and perhaps more, which subscribes to the conceptuality that there might be duplicates or versions of ourselves that reside within these parallel dimensions.
Would that not also mean that we may have more duplicates of our souls there too?
Or that we might reincarnate to those other dimensions.
Who's to say?
I mean, if the theoretical physicists are correct and there are 11 or more dimensions, then perhaps reincarnation in one of those is equally possible, Peter?
I tend to believe in the multi-dimensional theory of reality.
And because this makes actually things very confusing when it comes to trying to integrate past life memories, because if you are integrating a memory of a past life that was in a parallel universe, it may have had a different history than what we have here.