Art Bell introduces Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society, who explore Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP) using analog Iowa CPM 920 and RCA recorders, capturing distressed voices—70% childlike—like a plea from a young girl, "Help me find my dad." Their investigations at Gold Hill Hotel revealed EMF spikes up to 13 milligauss, with clear EVPs, including "Are you alone?" and "I'm not, honey" after Cook’s flashlight failed. At Rollins Prison, screams linked to inmate Stanley Hudson’s diary surfaced post-recorder abandonment, suggesting entities defy time or location. GhostPix’s global submissions—from Missouri to London—highlight unresolved spirits, like a mortician’s home EVP "I'm three" or "tell your friend to run." Their work challenges religious afterlife beliefs while exposing potential negative energy in execution sites and cemeteries, hinting at lingering consciousness beyond death. [Automatically generated summary]
There's no real reason to be changing our clocks twice a year.
The only sanity in the entire nation resting in Arizona and I don't know, somewhere in the Midwest and you know, a few places where they don't change, they revolt.
Why do we do this?
I would vote for a national candidate for office who would promise to change this.
To return sanity to timekeeping in America, the world.
Daylight savings time.
Just, I don't care.
Give us that.
Give us what we're about to go to.
But later on tonight in the darkness, we must all roll our clocks back one hour.
All of our clocks.
That means the clock on your refrigerator, your microwave, all of your VCRs, all the clocks you might have gathered around the house.
And oh, don't forget the vehicles.
You've got lots of clocks out there, too.
And yes, by now, you've probably forgotten the appropriate buttons to push to change the clocks.
For many of them are actual mysteries, discernible only by opening the original manual, which you've probably lost by now.
Anyway, I could go on and on, but you know, enough.
Sometime or another, before I pass into the other world, somebody do it.
Return the world to Saturday and get rid of this godforsaken change twice a year.
I can't stand it.
I feel better.
My webcam photograph tonight is of a debate that we, of course, you know, we're about to vote for president.
A whole lot more.
Coming up Tuesday.
And so we had a big debate here at KNYE, 95.1 in Little Perump.
It was a big debate, though, about four hours long with two very articulate friends of mine, Gregory Sousa and Jim Watkins.
And they did really well, just went at it for four hours on KNYE about national issues.
And, oh, we had a ball.
It was really a blast.
Anyway, that photograph is not of the two of them.
And that's what I should have put up, I suppose.
Maybe I'll slip that up later.
But one I just happened to run across, so I was in it, and so I threw it up there, and that was taken at KNYE.
And indeed, it is a national debate for it's about to be a national election.
As President Bush and John Kerry criss-crossed Midwest Battleground State Saturday, a new poll seems to show the incumbent, our president, moving ahead of the Massachusetts senator in the popular vote.
And Democrats said their private survey also now hints.
Now, when the Democrats are hinting that there's momentum for the president, you know there really must be because they'd be the last ones to admit that.
A newsweek poll showing Bush ahead of Kerry, 50 to 44 percent.
A week ago, the same survey had the race tied.
The president briefly opened a small lead in an ABC poll, but it had vanished by Saturday night.
Now, I wonder if the president gained points by the release of Osama's video and the threats and all the rest of it.
Now, in electoral votes may not be so close.
President Bush and Senator Kerry are virtually tied, actually, in the Electoral College count, meaning the president, who is ahead in the polls right now, might win the popular vote but lose the election, fighting over eight to ten states that are so close and unpredictable that anything's possible Tuesday, after months of campaigning and a half billion dollars spent on attack as Bush and Kerry are still at the whim of unexpected events.
You have them in elections like Osama bin Laden's sudden emergence on Friday, a videotape appearance that sent both candidates scrambling to pledge victory in the fight against terrorism.
Probably I would think it would help the president more than Kerry.
A car bomb, it just goes on and on.
Fallujah, a car bomb killed eight U.S. Marines outside Fallujah on Saturday, the deadliest attack thus far in, well, I don't know, the last six months or so.
Marines pounded guerrilla positions on the outskirts of Fluja, where American forces are gearing up now for a major assault on the insurgent stronghold.
They're going to do away with that final stronghold.
A decapitated body, the news just in Iraq gets better and better, a decapitated body wrapped in an American flag and found in an insurgent-controlled section of Baghdad was that of a Japanese man kidnapped by Islamic militants.
So I guess you wrap him in an American flag And you send a message that, well, he helped Americans, and so now he's headless, right?
The Army has extended, oh boy, I'll tell you what.
I was in the Air Force, and I remember as my tour of duty finished, you get to be in the service in the military, what's called a short timer, and boy, you start marking the days until you're out.
And if something like this were to happen, a lot of guys would go berserk.
The Army has extended by two months the Iraqi tours of about 6,500 soldiers, citing a need for experienced troops through the Iraqi elections scheduled now for late January.
About 3,500 soldiers of the 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, 3,000 from the 1st Infantry Division headquarters are going to remain in Iraq two months longer than originally planned.
Kind of a smaller version of the stop-loss program where you're virtually told, well, you've just got to stay where you are.
I'm an amateur radio operator, and so I monitor the conditions on the shortwave frequencies.
In fact, the frequencies in general, including some of the AM frequencies that you're probably listening to me on right now.
They're all affected, as is all life, by what our sun does.
And over the last four, perhaps five weeks now, conditions have been interesting.
The higher bands, normally closed at the lower part of the sunspot cycle, are wide open.
You can talk to Africa with five watts of power.
I mean, it's incredible.
During the day.
But then at night, the lower frequencies, closer to the AM band, you might think of it that way, that are designed to be used regionally or just nationally, perhaps, well, they've been lousy.
And people you can normally hear at 250 to 800 miles, gone.
Just gone.
All because of what our sun is doing.
And you may recall, last weekend I told you that our sun was behaving strangely in that there had been a reported period of time with none, no sunspots, not even one sunspot.
The sun was virtually an orange, clear ball with no blemishes at all.
That's virtually unheard of.
It rarely happens.
It might indicate we're at a minimum in the sunspot cycle, and I reported that to you, and how strange conditions were, suggesting that even the AM station you listen to at some distance may not just be as normal.
Tonight, by the way, would be another night when what you're usually listening to might just not even be there.
Well, it's there, but you can't hear it because of what's going on in the ionosphere or isn't.
I don't know.
But then, all of a sudden, October 30th, that would be today, right?
The Saurus is a fast-growing sunspot, number 691, which has unleashed several strong flares, including even a brief X-flare.
looks like a machine gun going off.
You know, looking at an x-ray chart from the sun is looking...
I mean, there was no activity at all.
And then all of a sudden, today, today, like a machine gun, they went off.
And once again, conditions are just absolutely reprehensible.
But if you're a sun watcher, it's certainly interesting to see what our sun is doing.
And it's behaving very strangely right now.
Strangely indeed.
But then again, it's almost Halloween, isn't it?
So maybe it's part of that.
Tonight, we're going to do EVP in the next hour, Electronic Voice Phenomena.
There is a new movie coming out.
Did you know about it?
Have you seen the previews for it?
It's called White Noise.
And guess what it's about?
Starring Michael Keaton.
It's all about none other than that which we're going to do this night, EVP.
Apparently, they consulted a couple of people we've had on the program before, Tom and Lisa Butler, who are director of another group of EVP researchers, other than we're going to have on this night.
We're consulted, I guess, for the movie, and it's going to be a big motion picture all about the voices of the dead being captured on electronic media.
Now, this goes, and most people don't know it, but it goes all the way back to Alexander Grambel and those who invented the telephone and, you know, and various other electronic media that sprang from it.
All of them thought they heard voices.
Many early pioneers in telephone and radio thought it may well be a means to communication with those who have passed on.
And so tonight you will hear that which I, and I, you know, I'm fairly sharp from an electronic point of view, and I can find no hole, no possible reason in the world that I understand of radio and audio and electronics, no way that the voices you're going to hear tonight could get on this media.
No way.
There's just no way, other than perhaps that which it seems to be.
In many cases, you will hear contemporary things said, recognizing that the researchers are right there with their equipment.
In other words, the dead trying to talk to us about them.
It is, without question, the greatest mystery for mankind, and by that I mean what happens when we die, whether it's worms in and worms out, or whether there is a life after this life.
Different people react very differently to that question.
Religious people, I think, most would agree.
Well, of course there's a life after this one, though there may not be ghosts.
They tend to believe more easily in them and spirits, disembodied spirits, than do others.
Hey, the daylight savings time is a whole ball of wax, but those tones you were playing from harp, you were just playing the program, I guess, before this last night.
It's all the way in Alaska, but I guess the idea would be, you know, just play a wide range and aim them at the ionosphere with enough RF to cook meat at 100 miles and let's see what happens.
It's science, folks.
Harry, throw the switch now.
Goodbye.
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Imaginary lovers will never turn you down when all the others turn you away around.
It's my private pleasure with my fancy someone to share my wildest dreams with me.
By the way, tomorrow night, I'm going to be looking for a particular kind of ghost story.
We're going to lay a very frightening night on you tomorrow night, and I'll tell you why.
Because I found that in the course of taking ghost stories, the ones that are absolutely the scariest, I mean, they do me in, are the ones about entity attacks.
Any kind of attack.
People who have been molested, people who have been, well, had actual contact of one sort or another with an entity.
So that's what I'm going to be particularly looking for.
Entity attacks.
Ghost attacks, if you will.
Those associated with actual interaction of some sort, of a very unpleasant type, from some sort of entity.
and be sure there are very negative entities out there.
All right, you've got the numbers.
And once again, let me emphasize, I'm going to be interested in two things tomorrow night.
Particularly two things.
One, that we find and listen to anybody who has suffered an entity or ghost attack, an actual attack by a negative entity of some sort.
I mean, you can generally tell, right?
There are poltergeists.
And there they seem to be fun-loving jokesters.
And then we have, you know, the ball and chain ghost.
Then we have entities that can't be so easily pinned out.
They're not grandma.
They're not bad.
But they're bad.
And they do bad things.
So we're going to be looking for those.
And then also, I would like to urge, even beg you, to attempt to get to a corded telephone.
In other words, to have your good story broken up by the irregular poor service provided by most cell phone carriers these days is unacceptable.
Last report I had just a couple of days ago, she was doing just spiffy.
I mean, she's obviously been through a gigantic trauma, but all her faculties are in place, Which is the most important thing after an event of that sort.
Because the Americans are a stubborn, angry group of people, and if somebody says, well, if you do this, then we're going to get you, then we're going to do that.
That's just our nature.
And so I think it'll help the President.
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You'd have to wonder, maybe they'll wait until after the inauguration and test the new man.
Will there be a terrorist act before the election?
Well, the release of that tape alone was somewhat terroristic, but.
And, you know, in most cases, you'd say, glad to see the guy's alive.
Well, nobody's glad to see he's alive.
Nobody in this country, anyway.
But there is, and the CIA, of course, has confirmed it is a legit tape done fairly recently, so alive he is.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This has been listening to you on 1410, Vancouver, B.C. Vancouver, B.C. How you doing?
I'm doing fine.
I've been wanting to tell you for eight years that farmers used to, where I grew up anyway, hate what started out as wartime because they can't get in the fields in the morning because of the dew.
When I heard the thunder, I mean, that thunder, boy, if you listen carefully, and of course you're not getting it for most of you, in fact, all of you really, in stereo, you're getting it in mono.
But if you had the thunder in stereo, you would hear it.
It's as though it's echoing across a valley.
It sounds so cool in stereo.
But even mono, it's excellent.
And it fits right in for this kind of program from my point of view.
But, sir, to put Americans, in fact, the world, through this mindless, pagan, stupid exercise twice a year, there must be a secret reason that we don't know about.
Otherwise, it truly is mindless.
unidentified
Yeah, it's totally mindless, exactly.
And it makes everybody insane.
I mean, because nobody knows what time it is if they just go by the sun, because when it's 12 noon, the sun is straight overhead, so that's where they should be synchronized to.
Like, me and my neighbor, I wear a watch around, pocket watch around my neck, and I keep it on the same standard time all year, and I say, no, this is the time.
I don't care what their time is.
They're liars.
Maybe state by state, we should begin switching whether they like it or not.
See, at the grassroots level, we get our state legislatures, say to Washington, take your time and, you know, whatever.
In other words, Nevada, we could join Arizona very quickly.
We're, you know, neighbors.
Why not?
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Yeah, especially in the southern state, because, I mean, you know, when it stays light so doggone long, it makes it hotter in the evening time, and it doesn't save energy because it makes people have to run air conditioning longer because the sun doesn't set as early when people come home from work, so it makes it use up more electricity.
Well, I think it's time to get ready To realize just what I have found I have been on the air of what I am It's all clear to me now My heart is on time
My heart is on time
In the springtime of here, we want trees around the days.
And the user look at the birds in you, and dressed in ribbons here.
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As you know, for years now, years before anybody else really paid much attention to this publicly, on this program, we've been entertaining the concept of EVP.
I got the following email yesterday, actually.
Hi, Art.
You might want to mention this info on the air tonight.
White Noise, starring Michael Keaton, is the first Hollywood movie on the subject of EVP.
It will open in January of 2005.
On the above website, and that website is whitenoisemovie.com.
You're going to find the trailer for the movie and a short featurette, a look inside about EVP.
The latter clip features members of the AA EVP, the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena people, Tom and Lisa Butler, actually the directors of the group.
They've been on Coast to Coast AM before, and of course, it too was a fascinating program.
And so now we've got a major motion picture, and for a very good reason.
Because what you're about to hear is, from my point of view, and I look very carefully at this, believe me, believe me very carefully, it's inexplicable.
Technically inexplicable as a hoax or anything like that.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization.
They don't sell books.
They don't sell coffee mugs.
They don't sell posters.
They don't sell a damn thing, actually.
GIS is non-profit, dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious.
A lot of you I know are.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented here are going to demonstrate that the consciousness, our consciousness, that which is you, survives after the body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
I've actually heard that it's supposed to be for the UK release, but I'm not quite sure on how they're working that out, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
He believed that there would be a way at some point in the future, and he hoped that he would be the one to kind of pioneer the technology to do it, that it would be possible to communicate with people who have departed.
And that led to different experiments such as the Lazarus experiments, and then also the word I'm thinking here, Farm.
He had actually, and for some reason, nobody's followed up on this since, but he did end up building a machine that somehow was allowing communication from the other side using different frequencies to interact with our side.
And, you know, we were lucky enough that somebody had sent us these tapes of these recordings that George Meek had done.
And it was just so amazing to hear him talking and having this entity on the other side responding to him.
Now, Brendan, being honest, Barb with her older recorder, is she getting any greater percentage or number of EVPs than the rest of you using a more modern digital?
Well, I mean, when you and your husband are in watching, I don't know, color television, do you say, I've had it with this, and march into the bedroom and watch a black and white?
I would then think there ought to be a way Because there is some human dialogue, those of the investigators included in the recordings, you couldn't take a piece of software and just have it go look, could you?
How religious is the content of what you two generally get?
I ask this for a reason.
I mean, most of us think when we die, we're going to heaven or hell or some point in between, but, you know, biblically, we're headed off into someplace.
So you would think there'd be a whole lot of religion, a whole lot of I saw Jesus, I saw God, I saw my dead relatives, I did this, I did that.
All right, so no references to God, no references to Jesus, very few references to heaven or hell, dark or cold.
We got that quite a bit, but no particular religious slant to it all, which would be worrisome for many, and maybe even cause them to discount what they hear.
And then here's where I want to go.
You know, you two are consistently going to graveyards, prisons, other cheery little crypts, all kinds of cheery little locations.
And yet, at the same time, you've tried to sell me on the point that you can get EVPs virtually anywhere, which is interesting.
So the fact of the matter is, these places are more frequently haunted, therefore yield EVPs at a more regular basis, on a more regular basis, and perhaps more dramatic ones at that.
After all, you electrocute somebody, you're not going to have a happy spirit.
And, you know, and when you were talking about them referring any, you know, to religious things, you've got to take into consideration the mental state of a person that would be staying as a ghost in life.
They might not have been a religious person in the first place.
Have you come to any larger conclusions about all of this, whether there really is a heaven, whether some of these people that you hear from and pull out of the noise do move on to the next level?
You know, I do think that there is something else.
I mean, there is another level.
And, you know, whether that's heaven or hell, I mean, who's to really say?
But, you know, I have realized that there has been locations that we've gone and we've recorded a person's voice, you know, three, four different nights.
And then all of a sudden they just don't come back anymore.
And it's almost like by us being there, it's helped them resolve the issue of, you know, I mean, it sounds cliched, but maybe it's, you know, helped them realize that they're dead.
All right, then that provokes the following question.
Of the responses that you get, hundreds, thousands by now, tens of thousands, how many would indicate that what you're hearing is in fact somebody who is confused and doesn't understand they have died?
Oh, I think they're, I mean, this is just my own personal belief, but I think that a good majority either are denying their death or they don't realize they're dead.
And the way she says it, I mean, you can feel the emotion that she has.
It's almost like she's had a self-realization that by us being there and us looking for ghosts, she suddenly realized, well, I'm not supposed to be here.
Because, you know, we've put in a lot of time and money into this.
And after the investigation, like Brendan says, the investigation isn't over because we still have hours of recordings to go over, not to mention, plus the videos.
I don't think that what you're about to hear should be sugar-coated at all.
And what, you know, after all the years of listening to this, I think I would have to say that what you're about to hear generally comes from confused people.
What you're about to hear comes from people in dark places, many times frightening places.
There's been a little bit of humor, no reference or very little reference to God or heaven or Jesus or any of the following.
So what you're about to hear is troubling.
I mean, it really is troubling.
If this is what becomes of some of us, then to me, it's troubling.
Well, and especially, I mean, if you look at the voices that we've recorded from, let's say, you know, the two big prisons that we've investigated, not one of those voices, I think, was happy.
Not one.
I think every single one sounded disturbed and almost crazy.
We have noticed there are correlations between fluctuations in the EMF and, you know, ghost manifestations, even EVP and video, anomalies captured on film.
I mean, things like that.
And in this clip, it actually shows that.
What's happening is I was walking around doing a control reading with the EMF meter, and of course I'm recording at the same time.
And the EMF meter was just going so erratic.
I mean, it would give me high levels in one spot, and then I'd go back to that spot, and there'd be nothing.
Then all of a sudden it'd go high again, then it'd be high on the other side of the room.
And I'd walked into the living room area of the brewery lodge, and I was going to find Barbara to let her know that the EMF meter was acting weird and she should concentrate filming on this side of the house.
And I'm walking in there, and then you'll hear this woman say, are you alone?
And I'm walking down these stairs as she's saying that, and Then I say to Barbara, it's acting weird.
So, I mean, it's just such a weird context of this woman asking me, Am I alone?
Yeah, I would think so, but I think that's mainly just because I was there and I know how it was set up in the context of how it happened.
I would think that it was directed towards me, but at the same time, it may have been like some of these other EVP recordings where it has absolutely nothing to do with what we were doing at the time.
Do you think, Brennan, that it takes that electromagnetic energy to make that communication or make a manifestation something that you can see is electromagnetic force what's involved in you know I actually I do think that they use this energy to do it and I you know I don't know if they're creating this energy or using the energy that's already there and then somehow amplifying it but I think you know a lot of
this correlates with the you know you've heard the story of the time that somebody's going to investigate goes and all their equipment failed and i think you know these entities in these ghosts are actually using the batteries and you know any sort of power that they can gather to manifest themselves i have so loosely have talked to investigators and uh...
non-believing camera guys who have absolutely told me their batteries the moment they walked into a room are gone and you know that we have that happen all are a lot and as you walk out of the the uh...
so perhaps they're utilizing the you know what electromagnetic energy is in the area picked up from who knows what but also including the equipment of any investigators in the area to manifest all this i think it's very possible i wish i knew whether it was to get that communication across or well i guess there's some things we just don't know huh yeah all right number two
in the same brewery lodge and we were in the living room area and you're going to hear me say if you can speak will you speak so i can hear you and it sounds like a child's voice saying mother uh...
the children here we go if you can speak will you speak so i can hear you watch it watch it yep watch it no question about that that's a child's voice one more time listen very carefully it say it is saying mother and the thing you think what you mean you uh...
disproportionate number of children that you're going to hear in these recordings yes right yes how disproportionate you guys i i think the majority of voices that we record her children sound like i would say probably right now about seventy percent which which is very disturbing because i it's given me a whole different aspect on what i believe what i used to believe happened to little
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children when they passed away well i mean that look the normal line of thought is uh...
adults we've had plenty of time to see in and maybe earn our ticket on the freight train down but you know children are pretty innocent and the great majority of them were very innocent would be headed off quite quickly to heaven or the good place but the great majority of them are caught on tape by you and God that's disturbing.
And you know, I think the worst one, and this was the one that really set me back, the worst child DVP that we recorded was recorded by Jenny and it was of a young girl saying, help me find my dad.
And it was just, You could tell how confused this girl sounded and how sad she sounded.
That, you know, it's like she had passed on and she was expecting to see her father, but he wasn't there.
But I mean, the entire nature of the other side, if little innocent children are calling for mom or some other pathetic plea, I remember a little one saying how cold it was, and your heart just goes out to these voices who don't sound happy.
They sound confused.
They sound frightened in many cases.
So it's kind of hard to square all that with what you get in church on Sunday about what's going to happen.
You know, the one that I can think of, we did do an investigation at a theme park.
And the reason we did it there was because at the back of this theme park, they had what they called a Pioneer Village, that was right.
And it was a bunch of old buildings that they had brought in from an old ghost town.
And, you know, these buildings had reported haunting activity associated with them.
And we did actually pick up, well, we didn't really get any EVP because it was still an active theme park, so there was people doing rides and stuff.
But we did get some pictures and video out of it.
But, you know, it would have been interesting if we could have gone in there later in the night when nobody was there just to see if that theory was correct.
This being such a happy place, being a theme park where everybody's having fun.
I mean, really, whether you believe it says help me or not, because we realize a lot of these voices are subjective and that by us saying what we think it's saying, then people are going to go, well, that's what it says.
But especially with that voice, just listening to the tone and the emotion in it, whether you believe it's saying help me or not, it's just not a good voice.
And you can tell that it's not happy and it does sound confused.
you know, I think a lot of white people would be creeped out by this is because they have the whole Hollywood notion that, you know, everything dealing with ghosts is the exorcist and poltergeist.
Well, I don't believe that everyone stays as ghost, but I do believe that how your frame of mind, a lot of, especially with children, how they were treated when they were alive, the kind of things they went through in their short time, you know, it gives you a whole different perspective on what death is about.
Yeah, two of them, actually three of them have been turned into museums.
But what was really nice, especially this one, the Deer Lodge Prison in Montana, I mean, it was just so amazing for us to do because, I mean, it was just a massive, massive, huge place.
If you go to our website, you can see we've laid out kind of a virtual tour of it.
And we had, it was a couple of years ago, had started getting so many emails from visitors to the prison and people that worked at the prison in the museum saying that they can't work there anymore.
It's haunted.
Oh, scaring them.
Visitors saying that they see all these things in the courtyard.
And eventually it just led us to have to contact them and say, you know, we've got these hundreds of emails saying, you know, you guys have something here.
Has there been any kind of activity that you've noticed?
And we actually ended up talking to the director of the prison.
Not so much fear, but there was definitely an atmosphere.
And I think this has a lot to do with it being a prison.
And, you know, especially before we started this investigation, the prison had hired a it was actually one of the ex-guards for the prison when it was actually active in the 60s.
I mean, in a place that's this massive and this huge, you have to do that.
I mean, you can't have all five people sitting in maximum security when you've got, you know, a good three-fourths of the prison that's still empty that nobody's covering.
So, I mean, just to kind of get a recorder in every section of the prison, you pretty much have to do that.
I mean, the fact of me or Barbara saying, this is what you're going to hear in this clip, definitely plays a factor in what you think you're going to hear.
And, you know, this comes from us sitting around a table debating for hours what we think these voices are saying.
And as you listen to this, see if you pick up something different.
I don't know if you can blank your mind to the suggestion already implanted in it by us, but they sat back to back, and it does indeed sound like that.
Now, is that the idea implanted in my mind or not?
I don't know.
Some of them are so unambiguous that it's clearly what's being said.
And other times, we've had little arguments about what it is.
I'm sure that sitting around the table reviewing these tapes, when you do get one of these, it's how long in sitting there playing it again and again and again and again, trying to decide what really is being said?
Okay, in this next one, me and my husband Roger, we were walking into the solitary confinement area, and Roger recorded this voice.
It was an area that they used to call Siberia because it was very cold, you know, no heat, stone building, and a lot of people died down in here after being put in the solitary confinement.
They'd freeze to death.
But you're going to hear a voice say, hello, Siberia.
And then you're going to hear Roger say, there's something down here.
The trouble with all of this is that truly to listen to all of this is going to begin to change your whole thinking about life and death and about what awaits us in a very chilling way.
So I don't know.
I feel some responsibility in presenting this material because I can't kick any holes in it.
I've got a question, technical question for you, if I might, Brendan.
These voices that we're hearing, how far down below the noise level or at the noise level or just barely above the noise level, how much amplification do you have to do?
Well, actually, we don't do a lot other than when we do something like this where we're presenting them in context from the tape and then we do two loops afterwards, the loops that we do afterwards will normally amplify it by maybe six decibels.
But the original one that you hear is straight from the tape.
And, you know, that's not to say that we don't get some that are so low and so buried and static that you really can't make them out because we do get a lot that are like that.
But there's certainly no way we can present them like this.
This is so startling, this whole thing, as we listen to these voices, that why has a university not said, okay, we've got money, we've got resources, we're going to join you, or we're going to learn from you and conduct a very serious scientific investigation into this?
Yes, and I can understand, for example, why a church, given the disturbing responses and recordings that you're getting, a church might not be interested in pursuing such a, oh, I don't know, troubling thing.
But a university, you would think, would be free enough and interested enough to pursue something like this.
And they actually ended up taking it to the Pope and saying, you know, because, I mean, the monk was so disturbed by this and so upset by it because this was something that was, he thought, breaking his religion.
Well, the Pope had actually told him, and there's a lot of different articles on the website regarding this, that the Pope did not see anything wrong with this, and he didn't see anything that contradicted it in the Bible.
And he said that this, you know, this looks like a legit basically, he said this looks like a legitimate thing, and it needs to be studied.
Because this is something that is showing that there is something on the other side.
Because, of course, you know, the thing that I have noticed with the EVPs that we've recorded compared to a lot of other, you know, investigators or is I think that the quality that we get is superior for some reason.
Now, I've looked at the electronic end of it and I find no holes.
Nothing wrong with this.
Too much right with it.
But Bruce says, hey, there's no proof.
Anyone with a tape recorder and too much time on their hands could easily fabricate these recordings.
And that's a very good.
Actually, it's the only question.
I don't see any technical holes at all.
I really don't.
So.
Yes, I suppose they could be fabricated.
But for what reason?
You know, these two don't sell anything.
That's a problem.
They don't.
They've been going for years and years, and they're doing it, in my opinion, and I've interviewed the fire out of them here, just because they're absolutely fascinated with it.
Not for, you know, 35 minutes in the sun in front of the public.
They don't seem to be doing it for that.
don't have that in them.
If you listen carefully to their voices, they're not...
I'm sorry, but I don't think they're fabricated.
he will nevertheless ask about that in a moment you A great deal of this is very troubling, and I'll tell you the truth.
Ramona told me, she said, you know, after that child, I turned it off.
I do understand.
This is very troubling.
And if you're shooting down the highway in an 18-wheeler or something in the middle of the darkness out there and listening to this, frankly, I might not blame you for turning it off either.
It's pretty creepy.
And since I don't see any electronic holes in the process of what they're doing, the only other possible hole would be what Bruce here suggests, that the whole thing would be fabricated, that you guys are setting this up.
No, that's I mean I mean we have spent easily, as we mentioned before, too much time and too much money to do this.
I mean up until James Morgan from Modem Link donated our server to us, we were spending $400 or $500 a month in bandwidth trying to put this stuff out there.
And you're also maintaining this non-profit, this sort of Spartan existence that you've cut out for yourself because you're not selling books and all the rest of it.
I mean, in this, you know, the six, seven years now that we've had this going, I cannot count how many times people have approached us with, you know, will you sell me CDs of this?
Well, the problem with that is these cells were rotated.
So a prisoner would stay in there three days and move.
And they would just rotate around their cells.
And the other problem is in these cells, there were countless numbers of prisoners that died.
Because this was also the suicide watch area.
And the prison guards, and this was told to us by the prison guard that gave us a tour of this building before we conducted the investigation, the prison guards with the really nasty inmates would forget, quote unquote, to do the security check and make sure they weren't going to hang themselves.
So they would basically just hand them extra sheets at night and say goodnight and wake up the next morning and they would have tied the sheets around their bars and hung themselves.
On this one, you're going to hear, well, I think it was Brendan that recorded this voice, and this was in the solitary confinement area that they called Siberia.
And you're going to hear Barry ask any ghosts that are there, did the guards kill you or did you kill yourself?
Well, this one, this was recorded in the maximum security section also.
It was recorded by just leaving the recorder in the maximum security section, and then Barry and I left and left the recorder behind for about a half an hour.
This is something we rarely do because we very rarely get EVP this way.
Normally we get EVP when the recorder is with us and we are actually talking.
Well, you know, I think in the case of that last clip, the person screaming, oh God, I think it's almost that could be a residual thing.
It could be something that's being played back over and over and over again.
I mean, because there definitely wasn't anything interactive about it.
There was nobody there to interact with.
And, I mean, that is what you would expect to find in a prison, something being repeated over and over and over again because of, you know, the severe emotional state and the distress that was happening in that prison.
It's an old frontier prison that they have turned into a museum, and they do tours, and it's a wonderful place to experience as far as prison life goes.
Well, it's really eye-opening, and just to see the thing was built back in the 1800s, and it was a frontier prison, and the military helped get it started, and then I think they used prisoners to work on a lot of the section of the prison.
But you're going to hear Brendan talking to the prison director in this clip, and you will hear her ask the question, what did you do with it?
And she was referring to a CD that he had made for the prison.
And Brendan responds that he still Got it because he makes backups of all of them, and then this voice comes in and says, I have to go now, I'm dead.
Have you all ever had any other references to time or the passage of time or anything that would give us an idea that they feel a sense of time or a lack of it, a complete lack of it?
Now, this was recorded in the courtyard of the Rollins prison.
And on this clip, I was asking the prison director that was walking around with us if the inmates were ever tortured here, because we had found that a lot of the prisons we've been to, that the inmates were tortured frequently back in the day when it was a territorial prison.
And you're going to hear her say, we know that there was a dungeon here.
And then she asks us, have you guys ever read the diary we sell called Sweet Smell of Sagebrush?
And then I'm going to say no.
And then she continues saying, well, the Sweet Smell of Sagebrush is Stanley Hudson.
And he was here.
And at this point, you're going to hear the beginning of two screams.
This next one, this one was taped pretty close to the screaming one.
They were still walking out through the courtyard of the prison, and you're going to hear, well, the prison director was talking to Barry and Brendan about how the inmates had been handled after they died.
And you're going to hear her explain that she says, we also know that they were shipping bodies off to medical schools to use as cadavers.
And then this strange voice comes in and says, yeah, we're warm.
When you go into, you know, I'm kind of surprised, frankly, that when you go into a lot of these facilities, you know, prisons and the other places you get, morticians' homes, I know, that sort of thing, mausoleums.
I'm frankly surprised that you're able to get permission.
I mean, wouldn't a lot of people consider this to be pretty negative publicity?
You'd be surprised how many people actually say, yeah, you can come in because we do acknowledge something's happening here, but they don't want the name of the location mentioned.
As far as the Rollins Prison and Deer Lodge Prison, it is well known around the towns, both Rollins and Deer Lodge, that these places are haunted.
So they really don't have anything to hide.
But, you know, we'll go to hotels and the hotel won't want the name mentioned.
Well, that's what I was going to go on to say, is that once I did get down there and got the light turned on so I could see, I realized nobody else was in the basement, that they were actually outside, and I had gone the complete opposite direction trying to find them.
I think, you know, sometimes a young lady, or even not so young, will call here, and I will think it's a child just because some women have voices that do sound very childlike.
Now, if somebody like the lady that we just heard is having, is being haunted and they need your help, are there ways on the website, I would presume, for people to contact you for help?
I mean, we get emails from London to ask us to investigate their apartment that they're living in.
So, I mean, it's something that I think people, when they see our site and they see what we present, they suddenly become more comfortable with the fact of talking about the experiences that they've had.
We're still, you know, there's things that change my theories on things.
You know, I mean, people expect us to have answers, and we're very leery about people that have answers, you know, because I could make up anything that would sound good and reasonable and say that this is a fact.
I do think that they have the freedom within themselves to move about freely, go from one place to another, although most ghosts typically are experienced at one location, in a certain location.
I am Art Bell, and tomorrow night is the annual Ghost to Ghost program.
Not Ghost to Ghost, but Ghost to Ghost.
It's entirely caller-driven, much as tonight has not been.
Tomorrow night will be entirely caller-driven.
And tomorrow night, I'm going to be looking for people who have been attacked by entities.
That's right.
And no fooling around with this.
I want to hear from people who have been actually attacked in some manner by an entity.
So if that's you, if you've had that experience, and I know many have, that's what I'm going to be looking for.
And, and I'm also going to ask those of you who have a story of this nature or a really good ghost story, and there are many very good ones, that you try and make it to a corded phone and not use a cell phone.
So tomorrow night, the one single night that we devote to an entirely caller-driven program on the subject of ghosts, particularly, once again, those people who have been attacked by an entity.
And I ask that if you're one of those people, that you try and make it to a corded telephone instead of a cell phone, making the quality ever so much better.
That in mind, well, that's tomorrow night.
Usual time.
As they say, same time, same station.
The End You're listening to two people, Brennan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, who devote their lives to recording the voices of the dead.
And you do firmly believe that's what you're recording, right?
People, in previous programs that we've done with all of you, we have encouraged people to go out on their own and to try this on your own.
Now, it takes patience, and you must recognize that what you're hearing is a result of hours and hours and hours of attempts to get what you're hearing tonight.
It sounds easy because we're playing one after the other, but it's not easy, and it does take a little time and patience.
However, if you want to do this and prove it to yourself, you can do it.
That's what we've said in past programs.
Just go get everybody keeps asking again the kind of audio gear that you're using, Brendan.
Well, you know, if you couple that with the last voice that says, please run, and that was actually both recorded on the same night, kind of makes you wonder what was going on in that house.
The only thing I could see is maybe we do have a video of a walking woman, which was an apparition that passed in front of Barber and one other investigator.
Now, this one, this was at a business in Evanston, Wyoming.
And the employees that were working in this business late at night would hear people walking around the floor that they'd go search for them and wouldn't find anybody.
They actually, at one night, heard somebody knocking all the merchandise off shelves.
And they went to go see, you know, where this mess had come from and clean it up, and there was nothing out of place.
But what you're going to hear in this clip is one of the bosses of this business is saying, well, you don't really need me to stay, though, do you?
Or do you want me to stay?
And he's asking us, basically, do we want him to stay around while we do the investigation?
And it sounds like this kid says, please stay here.
And it's very syllablic, and it almost reminds me when you hear somebody who's deaf, when they try and talk, that's what it sounds like.
Are you able to relate, as you carry this meter around, Brendan, levels of EMF activity?
Is there one level required for the projection of a voice?
An even larger level required for the projection of something visual?
And yet, even a large, if things are getting thrown around the room, I don't know if you've ever been in an area where things start moving around the room, but I would think it would take a great deal of electromagnetic force to do that.
It's not as simple as correlating a certain level of electromagnetic field to some kind of manifestation that's happening.
Really, it seems to be, at least on our end, around the 9 to 13 milligauss mark is where if that's not a constant reading in the location, it seems that that starts causing activity and manifestations either on video or EVP.
This was recorded in a cemetery, and I was talking to the other GIS members about a previous investigation that we had been on, and you're going to hear me say, and I walked into the kitchen and said, is there anything or is there something that we can do to help you?
And this voice was recorded that says, they followed you.
Well, you know, if you figure, especially in the case of a prison where we spend, you know, an entire night and, you know, countless hours on a digital recorder and then couple that with videotape, you double the time.
Yeah.
And then with videotape, you triple it.
So you're spending that much time again listening to the audio, and then you're spending that much time again watching the video.
Well, this sure is an awful lot for people to think about.
And I always sort of picture that, you know, truck driver out driving across the dark plains in Middle America somewhere, listening to this and just not quite being the same for a while.