Art Bell’s Ghost to Ghost AM (2004) explores Spiricom’s 1971–1982 EVP experiments, claiming two-way communication with spirits like Dr. Mueller, who corrected technical flaws—like a 150-ohm resistor fix—and referenced a secretive "Viticom" project. Callers share violent encounters: Gene describes furniture-moving attacks in an 1800s California home; Unknown 7840 recounts his wife’s near-drowning and rape claims by unseen forces; others report paralyzing entities, levitating objects, or visions tied to unexplained deaths. Skepticism often triggers phenomena, like Jason’s inexplicable magnetic pull near a bulldozed haunted house. The episode suggests spirits remain active, defying traditional afterlife beliefs, with unsettling implications for the living. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and great American Southwest Abbey all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, all of them covered very neatly by this program Ghost to Ghost AM or on this night Ghost to Ghost AM Now listen to me very clearly.
We are going to be doing open lines for ghost stories.
What I would prefer tonight is entity attack stories.
People who have been actually attacked one way or the other by an entity.
I would also prefer if there's any way for you to make it to a regular phone, not a cell phone, that would be highly appreciated.
However, in the first hour, we're actually about to do something that I think is going to make some sort of history.
I don't think it's ever been done on commercial radio before.
And it's kind of an extension of last night's program, in a way, with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
Now, they're into EVP, electronic voice phenomena, the voices of the dead.
But they are by far not the first to have done that.
In fact, it goes back to our earliest pioneers in audio history.
It goes back to Tesla.
It goes back to the inventor of the telephone.
It goes back.
And there are things you don't know that have happened.
Now, last night, just sort of in passing, I think we hit the subject of has there ever been an ongoing discussion, you know, a two-way discussion with the dead?
And Brendan made reference to this tape, this Spiricom tape or audio, right, Brendan?
That's correct.
And you, just so that we can get this straight, you obtained this from some sort of journalist in Croatia.
Now, this journalist was going to do a story on you and Barb and the GIS, right?
And in the, I don't know, exchange of material, he mentioned he had this tape and sent it to you.
He had contacted us and asked if we would mind him using some of our material and doing some background on our group to present kind of an in-depth analysis of EVP and the kind of research that's being done all over the world.
And we just started chatting back and forth, and he had mentioned that he was also working with an Italian group, but aside from this Italian group, he had come across these Spiracom tapes.
Now, for anybody who's been researching EVP for any amount of time, they are going to be aware of what Spiracom was.
Spiracom was, it was almost an extension of what Thomas Edison at one time thought was possible, which was the device that could communicate with the dead and have two-way communication.
And he actually, he sent us these tapes to let us listen to them and hear, you know, this Dr. George Meek, who was one of the founders of SpiritCom, the kind of experiments that he had done and the results that he had got with this.
Well, I found his website, and I note, well, I did make it on.
I'll be doggone.
So we've got a link up to the website, and on the website, you know, I'm kind of a technical guy, so I went, they've got a listing of all the equipment they used, very sophisticated equipment for the time, as a matter of fact, in order to achieve the communications that they achieved, which, I mean, this is a startling tape.
I sat down to watch it thinking, eh, and by the time I was done, I was going, oh, my God.
Now, there's a section of the website.
It's kind of a, I don't know, I guess an archive of that website.
I'm not really sure.
It looks like an archive of it, but they go to great lengths in here to say none of this material is copyrighted in any way, nor may anybody screw with it or whatever it is they say in here.
But at any rate, they wanted it out for the entire world to hear.
And why the whole world hasn't heard it until now, I don't know.
But ladies and gentlemen, what you're about to hear are a group of experimenters led by, well, was it led by George?
And there are schematics, pictorials, the whole business up there of the equipment used.
By the way, this whole thing eventually apparently became a book, a very famous book called The Ghost of 29 MHz.
It's based on experiments by John G. Fuller.
And so what you're about to hear, at first, when you listen to it, the very first part of the recording, you're going to go, ah, what a bunch of baloney.
It's very hard to hear, but stick with it.
Trust me on this.
After the little commercial break we do here, get a recorder if you can.
Turn your radio up and pay strict attention to what you're about to hear because I think it is, well, for Halloween, if this one doesn't stand the hair on the back of your head up, nothing will.
As I mentioned, I don't think this has ever been exposed, it says, to commercial radio previously.
That was odd.
That was really odd.
At any rate, tonight it's going to be, and I'm going to have to do it in two parts.
The first part, you're going to have a very difficult time hearing.
Bear with me.
The entire presentation is well worth the listen, if not the recording.
Here we go.
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Hello, I am George Meek, Director of Research for Metascience Foundation.
I hope that by now you'll become familiar with the mind-expanding concepts presented in the Mini Mansions chart, as well as those in the text and illustrations in the booklet, The Magic of Living Forever, and the pamphlet, A Photo History of Man's Communication Systems.
With that background, you can better comprehend the significance of the material you will be hearing in this recording.
On it, I share with you information regarding one of the most exciting events that has occurred in the long history of man.
Since the beginning of time, people in all parts of the globe have speculated as to whether or not death was the end.
Thousands of years of such speculation, plus the admonition of religious leaders to believe in a life beyond the grave, still left nagging doubts in the minds of all but the most devout.
We were told that life after death existed, but no one could ever pick up a telephone or a two-way radio and carry on an extended and meaningful conversation with even one of the perhaps 8 billion persons who have lived on earth and then died.
Well, the message of this faith is that the long silence has been broken.
Lengthy, two-way, normal-voiced conversations with persons who have died are now a reality.
They have taken place.
They have been recorded.
In order to report to you on this momentous development, I will divide the information into several blocks.
First, I will talk about the history of attempts to use electronic instruments for communication with the worlds of spirit.
Then I'll tell you about the first major breakthrough, followed by the second breakthrough.
Then I'll talk about the status of the present research and its significance for all mankind.
Lastly, we will consider plans for further research.
So let's start with historical background of instrumental communication with those who have died.
If you wish to comprehend the breakthrough to be reported later, it is really important for you to absorb the background information that I will give in the next several minutes.
The story begins about 60 years ago.
The idea of building a wireless or telephone or radio that will make it possible to talk to the dead is an idea that has been around that long.
Three of the greatest geniuses and inventors of our age, men who helped harness electricity for the good of mankind and laid much of the foundation upon which our marvels of electronic communication have been based, spent the final years of their lives trying to develop devices for communicating with the world of spirit.
These men were Edison, Marconi, and Tesla.
They succeeded in much else, but all died without inventing such an instrument.
The reason they failed is obvious, at least from today's vantage point.
When Thomas Edison died in 1931, scientific knowledge about the nature of energy had advanced very little.
The field of solid-state physics, for instance, had not yet been born.
Following in the footsteps of those famous explorers are some pioneers whose names will not be as familiar to you.
In 1956, two men in California, a photographer named Attila Vanzale and a writer named Raymond Bayless, began the era of what has become known as EVP, electronic voice phenomenon.
They recorded on magnetic tape some paranormal voices, voices that should not, logically, have been there.
Bayless recorded their experiment in the journal of the American Society of Psychic Research in the winter of 1959.
The announcement made hardly a ripple.
Not a single person contacted either the society or the researchers to inquire about their work.
But across the Atlantic, things were about to heat up in the field of EVP research.
In the summer of 1959, a Swedish film producer by the name of Friedrich Jürgensen came up with some extra voices on his recordings as he was trying to capture bird songs on the tape in the countryside.
Amidst the bird songs, he heard a faint human voice, a male voice speaking Norwegian, saying something about bird voices of the night.
Like anybody in that situation would, Juergenson wondered if the voices weren't just stray radio signals.
But the more he listened carefully to his taste, the more voices he detected that could not be explained as radio transmissions.
The voices included some personal messages such as, Friedrich, you are being watched.
And a few weeks later, he recorded what he recognized to be the voice of his mother, who had died four years earlier, saying in German, Friedel, my little Friedel, can you hear me?
Jurgensen continued his experiments and published a book about them in 1964.
In addition to using a tape recorder with a microphone, he experimented with making recordings from the radio, then studying them to see if he could detect extra voices.
His book was read by Dr. Konstantin Rodiva, a psychologist and author of books on philosophy who lived in Germany.
After visiting Juergensen and listening to his taste, Rodiva decided to experiment himself in order to answer the question of whether the voices were somehow connected with Juergensen's particular personality.
For three months, Rodiva could detect nothing paranormal on his taste.
Then he heard a whispered, that is correct, in the Latvian language.
This was in response to his remark that spirit world inhabitants, like those on Earth, might face certain limitations.
Raudiva was encouraged, and he went on to collect a huge number of voice recordings.
By the time he published the first book on his work in 1968, he had recorded some 70,000 phrases.
Also, he had added some new techniques.
He learned that if he tuned his radio to the so-called white noise between the stations, the tapes recorded at those wavelengths would contain voices.
Word of Dr. Rodiva's work spread, and scientists and engineers in Europe tried to duplicate his experiments.
One of those was Alex Schneider, a Swiss physicist who helped Rodiva develop a new method of recording.
The two discovered that voices not heard by the human ear at the time of the recording could be detected on the tape when it was played back.
Other pioneers who cooperated with Rodiva included Theodore Rudolph, a high-frequency engineer who worked for the telefunken firm.
Rudolph developed his own recording device called a goniometer.
Another colleague of Dr. Rodiva was Dr. Franz Seidel, an electronics engineer in Vienna who developed a device he called a typophone.
Engineers and scientists were not the only people to become interested in experimenting with electronic voice phenomenon.
Many lay people did also after reading Radiva's book.
So many began experimenting, in fact, that a German woman, Hannah Busbeck, started a newsletter in 1969 to help the experimenters keep in touch and exchange ideas.
Today there are more than a thousand people in Germany alone recording, analyzing, and cataloging paranormal voices.
One parish priest in Switzerland, Father Leo Schmidt, has recorded thousands of phrases, and that is only in Europe.
Not until 1971 was Rodiva's book brought out in English under the title Breakthrough, An Amazing Experiment in Electronic Communication of the Dead.
It was published by the British firm of Colin Smythe, which is a fascinating story in itself.
Mr. Smythe was handed a copy of Rodiva's book at a book fair in Germany with a suggestion that he might want to consider publishing it.
He turned it over to an associate, Peter Bander, who was skeptical about the whole matter.
Until, that is, Smythe himself tried some experimenting with the voices and came up with the voice of Bander's mother, who was dead.
The two publishers decided to have Rodiva brought to England so that his taste and his methods could be checked out by scientists and engineers under controlled conditions.
Convinced that Rodiva had, in fact, come up with unexplained voices on tape, they published the book, along with a record of some of the voices recorded.
As a result, many more scientists and laymen throughout the world are now experimenting with EVT.
So far, I have said little about the content of the messages these researchers are receiving.
Frankly, there have been serious problems with these recordings.
First, they are very difficult to hear and understand.
As an example, let me play you a minute or so of Dr. Reviva's paste of the electronic voices.
A request by the experimenter that the voice entitled could tell him from where they came is answered by a voice saying, Davis's land.
*Rainful noises*
German, Land of the Soul.
A dozen, later identified as that of a man who lived and died in a place called Kirnbach in the Black Forest, Germany, says, Wattes of Water von Kirnbach.
Wattes of Water von Kirnbach.
See what I mean?
For one thing, you've probably noticed that the voices are about twice the speed of normal human speech, and that they have a rhythm different from ours.
Then, there is a problem that Dr. Rodiva knew many languages, Swedish, German, Russian, Latvian, Spanish, French, and English.
Some critics of his work have reasoned, therefore, that what may actually be just stray sounds, he declared to be a meaningful phrase spoken in a language many other researchers would not understand.
However, in 1981, our spirit communicators gave us what we consider the correct explanation of multiple voices.
They said that whenever an EVP researcher establishes an open channel for the spirit world where there are many persons who want to communicate, it is as though several grab the microphone and all try to speak at the same time.
What comes through is a mixture of words and phrases, often in different languages.
Then there are the psychologists and experts in psychic phenomena who have proposed some alternative explanations for voices.
The words and phrases could be just messages from the subconscious of the listener, they say, or from the subconscious of someone else, projected somehow onto the tape.
One director of a nursing home in Germany, for instance, reported recording the voices of patients who were supposedly not conscious at the time.
Most importantly, even if we assume that the voices on the tapes are those of people no longer living on earth, we have to admit that what they have to say is rather trivial.
A person may find reassuring evidence of life after death if he hears the voice of his mother, whom he knows to be dead.
For the rest of us, the snatches of speech so far recorded on tape seem to have little value except to provide one more bit of evidence that life appears to continue on a different dimension after we die.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Juergenson, Rodiva, and the other electronic voice experimenters were wasting their time, far from it.
The significant thing about their work is that they did take that first most difficult step in communication with another level of existence.
It was comparable to my own first step 57 years ago when I experimented with the only kind of radio equipment then available, a crystal of Galena and a wire cat twisted.
At the time, it would have been almost impossible to convince me that clear, static-free radio communication would be feasible, and relatively soon, too.
Within just my lifetime, we've progressed from a true crystal set to TV broadcasts to our planet from space devices more than a thousand million miles away.
So it shouldn't be discouraging that Juergensen and Rodiva's communications with the world of spirit were at first very crude.
We're going to hold it right there for now, and you ain't heard nothing yet.
Then they invented the way to actually talk to dead people, one dead person in particular.
This is all scientifically documented on the website, the SpiritCom website, which we've got a link to, and it's rapidly going to collapse as more and more people head up there because the next segment you're going to hear, well, you're going to have to decide for yourself.
The documentation is unimpeachable, absolutely.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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The scientists who did the Spiracom experiments that you're hearing this morning wrote a very unusual notice regarding copyrights, patents, suppression, and harassment.
And as I pointed out earlier, stay tuned.
You ain't heard nothing yet.
All researchers affiliated with Meta-Science Foundation during the 10 years of worldwide study of problems and potentials of electronic communication with the so-called dead have shared a common goal.
They want the fruit of their labors and financial contributions to be made freely available to people of all races all over the world.
Therefore, on their behalf, I state that, one, we have not filed for any patents in any countries on the many inventions represented by the equipment presented herein.
Two, the material in this report has not been copyrighted.
Three, the name Spiracom has not been trademarked.
But please note, everything in the cosmos is energy of one sort or another.
And although all energies can be used for good or evil, it is our hope that the hundreds of individuals and organizations which carry these developments forward in the decades ahead will use them only for the good of all mankind.
If any individuals alone, acting alone or as part of a corporate entity endeavor to use these inventions solely for money-making purposes or to the detriment of any person, they are herewith forewarned.
They should know that the first stop for them after they sooner or later shed their physical bodies will be at the bottom of the lowest astral plane as described on the meta-science diagram entitled, In Our Father's House There Are Many Mansions.
We are gradually waking up to the fact that our universe and all therein operates on the inexorable law of cause and effect.
None can afford to scoff at the admonition, quote, as ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Any effort by any individual or organization to suppress or destroy the material contained herein will be useless.
Any attempt to in any way harass the harmony of the meta-science research team will be pointless.
The material contained herein has been described and distributed throughout the world to more than a thousand persons who are dedicated to the ultimate perfection of a clear, static-free, dependable system for communication with those persons now living in the higher worlds of spirit who desire to bring enlightenment to mankind.
It appears as though most of the participants in what you're hearing right now have themselves passed away.
But their research has not.
Thank God.
They documented it on the web.
We've got a link up there for you.
If you want to read the many schematic diagrams, see how they actually did what you're going to hear, take a look.
It's on coasttocoasta.com website right now.
In the meantime, back to George W. Meek.
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Techniques are perfected only with the passage of time.
The quality of the voices on the tapes began to improve, but very slowly.
Let me play for you now an excerpt from some of the tapes made in 1977 by Raymond Cass, the hearing aid specialist in England.
The German words following the comment by Mr. Cass are repeated a total of three times.
Hello, we're still here.
We're packing up now to go back to Bridington.
And if there's someone here who is with us, you'll agree that is a little easier to make out.
I personally became involved in EVT research in 1971.
I was an electronic engineer and an inventor with more than 80 patents to his credit.
He and I opened a small laboratory in Philadelphia.
By 1975, we had become convinced that an apparatus far more sophisticated than what I found then being used in Europe would be necessary.
We also decided that it was desirable to obtain help from the other side, that is, the active collaboration of someone who had died and who wanted to work with us in achieving two-way communication.
That was easier said than done.
About this time, we met William, an electronic technician who had well-developed clairvoyant and clairaudient capabilities.
In other words, his ability to see and hear persons in other dimensions.
With his help, we made contact with a man who, dead for five years, had been a medical doctor on our plane of life.
Doc Nick, as we came to call him, had, fortunately, also been a ham radio operator.
He suggested that instead of the so-called fight noise traditionally used by EVT researchers, we should use certain audio frequencies.
These would serve as an energy source against which the sounds produced by Doc Nick's vocal cords in his astral body could be played.
Remember the electro-biochemical diagram on pages 13 and 14 of the Magic of Living Forever booklet that shows the astral body?
He said the result would be that our ears and a tape recorder would pick up his voice.
This suggestion sounded plausible to us because we'd observed that all EVP voices had to steal energy from radio frequencies, spoken or sung words, music, or natural or artificially created white noise and so forth.
After some experimentation, we had the great thrill on October 27, 1977 of hearing Doc Nick's first words just barely coming through the quite loud mixture of tones we have provided as a starting point.
To you, hearing it for the first time, this short exchange may be almost as difficult to understand as the EVP voice samples given earlier.
Tempted to skip ahead, but I really want you to hear all of this.
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We really can't blame William for being a bit scared when he had his first communication with someone who had been among the so-called dead for five years.
But he showed his own good sense when he remarked to Doc Nick, who do you think will believe anything like this?
Our position in releasing these materials is precisely that of Doc Nick when he replied, don't worry about that.
It's not important.
Believe me.
Those who scoff at this information, even after carefully evaluating this tape and related printed materials, may later find themselves in the embarrassing position of one member of the French Academy of Sciences years ago.
He told his learned colleagues, I personally have examined Mr. Edison's phonograph and I find that it is nothing but the clever use of ventiloquism.
If some of you scoff at our breakthrough, it is probably because Doc Nick sounds a bit like a robot.
We certainly agree that he does.
But please recognize what you just heard for what it is.
A start had been made towards someday getting continuous two-way conversation instead of jammed together bits and pieces, phrases that were characteristic of tens of thousands of the earlier EVP voice recordings.
so At about this time, it was our great good luck to come into contact with a scientist among the so-called dead who identified himself as Dr. George Jeffries Mueller.
We remembered the 2,000-year-old injunction in the Bible to the mediums of that day to test spirit communicators.
So we checked to see that Dr. Mueller really was who he claimed to be, and we hit the jackpot.
He told us where we could find a copy of his death certificate issued in 1967.
He told us his social security number.
And he told us intimate details of his life and scholastic activities at the University of Wisconsin and Cornell University, his instructorship in physics at Cornell, and his top-level jobs in government and industry.
His photograph and biographical data are given in our publication entitled SpiritCom.
The fact that Dr. Mueller had written a textbook on electronics and had had a lifelong hobby of studying the theory of music enabled him to help us carry the research far beyond the level we had reached with Doc Nick and further refine our understanding of the audio frequencies we needed to arrive at our second major breakthrough.
It occurred on September 22, 1980.
Here it is.
Well, yeah.
Yeah, that's much better right there, was it?
Yeah, I'm not creating your sound.
Yeah, I'm not creating your sound.
I'm not creating your sound, was it?
Did you watch it, Jack?
Well, yeah.
Yes, sir, I understand, Doctor.
Very well, I'm going to make a new city.
Very well.
Yes, sir.
Very well.
All right, Doctor.
I'm sorry I was riding a cigarette.
Oh, that's okay.
Very well.
Yes, I did, Doctor.
Very well.
Very well.
Very well, Doctor.
One, two, three, four, five, and...
Very well, Doctor.
Very well.
One, two, three, four, five, and...
Very well, Doctor.
What's better?
When you feel that bad, you will...
Well, Mary's little lamb certainly is adding to its claim to immortality.
But since one of the first rules of science is that of replication, nothing could be more gratifying than to have Dr. Mueller's conversation confirm that we had at last established meaningful instrumental communication with a person who had shed his physical body.
Now, thanks to Dr. Mueller's contributions to the new communication systems, we want to share a remarkable conversation with another communicator.
What makes it remarkable is that he says he died 151 years ago.
Fred Ingstrom, which is how he identifies himself, says he lived in a rural area in Virginia and died in 1830.
Our check of the scanty birth records of that place in time has not yet confirmed his existence then.
But as you learned in the magic of living forever, serial time, as we know it, does not exist in the worlds of spirit.
When you listen to this next conversation, observe that this quality of Fred Ingstrom's voice, while still robot-like, is vastly better than that of Doc Nick's voice at the time of our first breakthrough.
This is in the kind of sense of the world.
I think it's a great way to find the business of the world.
It's a great way to find the business of the world.
Yeah.
It's a great way to find the business of the world.
I understood it.
Now let me make a little change here, okay?
Okay, okay, yeah.
Let me make a little change here.
Oh, boy.
You're the plan.
You're the plan.
You're the plan, man.
Now go ahead and laugh.
Okay, oh.
I need to figure out.
I make a ton of red.
Now say something.
I didn't start a fire.
She's down there like a robot.
I didn't want to see her.
I didn't want to see her.
I got that very much.
I'm going to take it back again.
Now give me a count of five and four.
Yeah, I heard you.
Wait a minute.
I'll get another count of five.
One, two, three, four, five.
We'll try to play.
We'll try.
We are here.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
Oh, my God.
Okay, see that.
All the factors in my life.
All that you like to ship.
You are Larry.
You are Larry.
Okay.
Anyway, I'm glad you have a sense of humor.
Well, if you can hear me, you'll be able to hear.
You'll be able to hear that because I'll make a tape of it, okay?
Okay, yeah, oh boy, that'll be fine.
Boy, that's great.
You're missing your marriage.
How long have you been married still?
Oh, about eight years.
Well, I have been out here.
How long are you still?
I'm 53.
I felt you were making it quite a bit like that.
But that's the end of the race.
Oh, lovely.
I feel like I'm in my 20s, but when I say my mirror said, are you killing the old man?
Yeah, I know it's okay.
I see a pressure on that after, you know.
Well, I'll tell you about that.
I have now.
Here's a clear help.
I have control right now.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's okay, Sad.
Good night.
The following examples of Dr. Mueller's voice are taken from many hours of two-way conversations with him, some of which lasted for half an hour or more.
These tapes represent the present limited capability of the electromagnetic series device we call Spiricom, a word coined by taking portions of the two words spirit and communication.
This particular device is called Spiricom Mark IV.
All right, I'm going to hold it right there for the moment, and there's just a little more to go.
What you're hearing is real.
What you're hearing is absolutely real.
The documentation for the equipment used to produce what you're hearing is available on the webpage that has a link on coast2coastam.com right now.
In the middle of the night on Halloween, an appropriate night for something of this magnitude, never, I believe, heard before, ever, on commercial radio or perhaps any other, you're hearing actual ongoing communication with the dead.
In this case, a German engineer from the high desert in the darkness.
This is Post to Post AM.
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This is Post to Post AM.
This is Post to Post AM.
Listen to the wind blow Watch the sun rise Listen to the wind blow Run in the shadows, damn your love, damn your life.
And if you don't love me now, you'll never love me again.
I can still hear you saying, you won't ever break the jammer again.
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It's thought now there are many universes none other than Dr. Michio Kaku and other very reputable men have alluded to that fact.
That may well be the communication you're hearing tonight.
So once again, here is George W. Meeken.
We'll finish this up quite quickly, but listen very carefully.
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The following examples of Dr. Mueller's voice are taken from many hours of two-way conversations with him, some of which lasted for half an hour or more.
These tapes represent the present limited capability of the electromagnetic series device we call Spiracom, a word coined by taking portions of the two words spirit and communication.
This particular device is called Spiricom Mark IV.
The great value of the technical assistance given by Dr. Mueller is dramatically shown by this next excerpt taken from a Spiracom conversation in April 1981.
Near the start, he gives his reactions to one of the audio frequencies and then proceeds to pinpoint an electronic circuit problem on the video apparatus on which he and William were working.
Just a minute, Doctor.
I'm going to cut down the volume of these other frequencies.
I'm going to put them down to the level that lumps the...
I'm not sure, William, but...
I don't see.
I don't feel the arm from under that one round, please.
Is that it, Doctor?
I said I've not sure the arm from under that one round, please.
Well, I'll just see.
Maybe change it later on, Doctor.
I don't know, I'll get a question.
I guess I'll get a problem with the crew, please.
I'm going to get a problem with the crew, please.
I'm going to get a problem with the crew.
I'm sorry for you.
I'm going to get a problem with the crew.
Maybe I'll have to get a problem with the crew.
I'm going to get a problem with the crew.
I'm going to get a problem with the crew.
I'd rather mark about the schematic, Doctor.
Very well.
1995.
Very well, yes, wait a minute, yes.
Yes, Doctor.
I hope you noticed how very specific Dr. Mueller was in pinpointing the problem on the experimental video device on which he and William were working.
He said the problem lay near the third transistor in the pre-amp unit.
The problem was an impedance mismatch and could be corrected by using a 150 ohm half-watt resistor in parallel with a 0.0047 microfarad ceramic capacitor.
What better proof could science want that Dr. Mueller's mind, memory banks, and personality are still alive and functioning in a useful and most dramatic way?
And now we share an excerpt in which they further discuss our Viticom research project.
Incidentally, the problems of developing a workable Zitikon system seem even more monumental than those of perfecting Spiricon.
Is that again?
Yeah, I think that's it.
By the way, we'll see that now like that.
No, I didn't, Doctor.
I had I got that five password from Edmund.
Yes, yes, I know.
Edmund is a copy.
Edmund's scientific.
Oh, I am.
What are we doing now?
Well, I uh inserted it into the under the canvas of all I got with a lot of crazy colors and lights.
I didn't get it.
Emma.
No idea what the race is.
Well, I think of my law and love and all you have to do.
I have a fear of a body and we can't.
We have the law, we have the lady, we have them.
We have a lot of law.
However, we must be able to make sure we You
perhaps noted that Dr. Mueller turned aside from the microphone to talk with another spirit person standing in the lab.
William was unable to see him visually or clairvoyantly, or to hear him clairaudiently.
The spirit, who told Dr. Mueller his name was Nathaniel, seemingly could not talk through SpiritCon.
With Dr. Mueller as intermediary, William and Nathaniel discussed boyhood activities, including pranks, in which they had both participated more than half a century ago.
The contacts with Dr. Mueller were sporadic.
Days and even weeks would pass with no contact, even though William left the electronic equipment turned on.
Then Dr. Mueller would pay an unexpected visit like this one.
Dr. Mueller I'm coming, Doctor.
I'm coming.
No boy.
I'm sorry, Doctor.
I'm sorry.
No boy.
I just went downstairs for a cup of coffee.
I'm sorry, Doctor.
Then, equally frustrating, there would be a totally unexplained termination of contact in the midst of a very useful conversation.
Here is an example.
I understand, well, a lot of things I don't understand.
There are any suggestions, Dr. Suggestions?
Dr. Mueller?
Dr. Mueller?
Oh, boy.
Dr. Mueller, are you there, sir?
Oh, my God.
Dr. Mueller.
Oh, boy.
In the early months of our conversations with Dr. Mueller, electromagnetic factors, the phase of the moon, sunspots, and other unknown factors resulted in poor quality of Dr. Mueller's voice, as you will notice in this excerpt in which Dr. Mueller responds to Williams' mention of possible surgery.
These comments and his observations and his own death 14 years previously are worth careful listening, even though the poor quality may try your patience.
Yes, I'm very happy with it.
It's very serious when you're not at this area.
And, uh, we are sorry for it.
There's no way to get out of this area, but don't worry about it.
Don't worry, worry, if I am.
It's very serious.
It's very serious when you're not at this area in the future.
And, uh, this is probably a short period of time.
It's behind and behind.
And, uh, I hate to start even worrying about what you do.
And, uh, here's the area.
You're all, so you're going to have to have a surgery, William.
You're on a head, but it's just you're just going to have to have a surgery, and you're in a phase, William.
You're in a phase, William.
Don't worry, right now.
And the end of the day is to understand we're getting killed.
Yeah, I understand, but you understand, Doctor.
I know I'm not getting any younger, but I know I wouldn't, well, in my case, I was most likely important to like that the whole time was all about, I was not aware of them.
I just know that I can't get over here before.
So when I got over here, it was like, no, wait a minute, come on, I'm not going where you're at.
There were many discussions on more joyful subjects than surgery and death experiences.
Often, Dr. Mueller displayed his delightful humor.
In this excerpt, he speaks of his fondness for carrots and cabbages.
There's an equal another portion, an equal second portion to this.
But what you've heard back from the days of Tesla, literally beginning with the days of Tesla, it was thought and experimented with.
And what you just heard was the result of decades of experimentation.
And I want to again stress that any of you involved in electronics would want to go up to the link on our website where it is very carefully documented.
What was done, exactly the kind Of equipment that was used, the schematics for that equipment in order to actually communicate with the dead in the fashion that you just heard.
And of course, that's now very old technology, but I believe what you just heard was quite historic, very historic.
I know trying the patience of some who probably could not hear it.
Others, I imagine, heard certain parts very clearly.
And again, there were a series of tones and audio vibrations that were used to allow the dead to modulate something with electromagnetic force.
And that's what you heard.
You heard the modulation of tones by electromagnetic force that became audible if you listened carefully to the human ear.
And you heard, no doubt, you must have heard some of the ongoing communication.
This work, these schematics, these diagrams should all live on for somebody else to grab onto and now begin that experimentation.
All of the documentation is there if you want to pursue it.
I thought there would be nothing more bone-chilling on a Halloween night than hearing the real thing.
That's what you just heard.
So thank you, Brennan Cook.
Thank you to the person in Croatia who passed it on.
And maybe I can probably understand more than the average person can, because when my dad first started to use it, he was difficult to understand at first.
These men wanted to make sure that this did not die with them, and it has not.
Obviously, it is possible to communicate with the dead, with those in another dimension.
They proved it, and they left the evidence.
unidentified
Well, I certainly believe that, and I did want to share an entity attack that happened to me.
I also sent you a picture tonight of a photograph I took in a train station in Needles, California, the Al Garces train station.
I've got a new digital camera, and I thought I was actually making mistakes with it, and I was like editing all these things out, not realizing what they were.
This night, Ghost to Ghost AM, ladies and gentlemen, and what I'm looking for is entity attack stories.
Many out there have been attacked by, well, who knows what.
And that's what we're delving into on this Halloween night.
In the first hour and plus 20 minutes or so, I presented to you what I consider to be historical evidence of communication, ongoing, two-way communication with the dead.
All of the schematics, all of the pictorials, everything you would need to be able to do it is contained on a link on our website at coasttocosam.com.
Now, it may get jammed, but there'll be a lot of audio engineers and engineers in general, I hope, and electronics engineers going up to that site, downloading the information.
And with today's technology, I can assure you, easily duplicating what they did, improving on it as well.
And I think this is a real McCoy, folks.
This is real communication with the dead.
If we want to know what it's really all about and answer some of the questions all of us have wanted answered all our lives, whether there's anything at all after our physical existence, believe me, you want to look into this.
So I try to pick myself up like a push-up, and another hand grabs the back of my head and smashes it back in the pillow.
And, you know, this was such superhuman strength.
It was just unreal.
And I try to pick myself up again, and again, it pushes my face back into the pillow.
At the same time, it's still grabbing my rear buttock over there.
This must have happened maybe four or five times where I tried to pick up, and at the same time, I feel this thing on my back, and it's still grabbing me.
About the sixth time, I finally let out a scream, and I was able to push up all the way, and it just stopped.
Well, before I tell you mine, what happened to me, I just want to clarify that I'm a spiritual person, and I have been since I was two years old.
And this essence came around me about 12 years ago when my beloved sister died.
And he still pops in and out to this day.
The time he got angry and violent with me happened one night when I was going through an out-of-body experience.
I was laying in my bed, and I was lifted from my body to the left and was on top of it with what I thought was angels holding me under my shoulders and under my ankles.
And they were, this is the best way I can describe it, Art, they were rippling my body.
You wouldn't think that angels would hold you down somehow, but okay.
unidentified
Yeah, you see, I was up and to the left, and I was just going through this great, great pleasure when they lowered me back into my body.
And I was starting to come awake when I felt him come into the room, and he was down at my feet, and I sensed all of this you sense, and I sensed he came to join in on the fun, but he went to move my feet and my legs apart.
And I sensed danger from him because I had gone through this with him before.
But this time I just moved my feet at him to just tell him, go away.
Yeah, this is not an entity you can actually physically see then.
unidentified
Well, listen to the rest of this.
And it made him mad.
I could feel, you know, he was very indignant at what I had done.
And when I did that, he grabbed each of my ankles just violently and so fast that it jerked my body.
And I heard this loud scream.
I know I didn't do it.
My body didn't do it.
But I heard this loud scream inside of me saying, no.
And then my legs just kicked out at him so harsh that I felt I touched him.
I knocked him down, and he went back.
Now I sensed him getting up, and I didn't feel that he was mad at me, but just that he was horribly rejected.
And I could feel him slump away.
And now I'm fully awake, and I want to get a look at him.
And so I jump up, and I go to the end of the bed, and what I saw was the last of him, because he was disappearing into some hole, into something.
And I saw this long, heavy, fat, grayish tail, just swagging and swaying until he just went and he was gone.
But, you know, and like I said, he comes around, he pops in and out, and what he does to me now sometimes, and he's done it a lot, is I know his nails.
I've seen his nails.
They're very, very long and very sharp.
And at the night, sometimes on my back, he takes them and he presses into my flesh.
Yeah, especially when, you know, I mean, my mother was hollering, and I could tell that she was horrified.
And I'm trying to get up, and I couldn't move any part of my body.
And finally, when we were released, you know, you know, you're trying with such force to get up that you almost pop up once whatever it is lets you go.
I ran into my Mother's room, and she was very upset and scared and said, Why didn't you come?
I was hollering for you.
And that's when we found out that it happened to both of us.
She didn't know at the time that I also was held down, and this horrified us.
And this was a home that was only six or seven years old.
But a lot of strange things happened.
We used to use a Ouija board, and we stopped using it because we started having some things happen that were very strange.
We had a priest come out and everything, got rid of the Ouija board.
But several incidents happened after that.
We moved to a town about an hour and a half away from where this started.
And it seemed that, you know, and I'm not a true believer in ghosts.
I mean, I've had enough things happen to me that I know there's something, but I'm not one of those to just believe, oh, yeah, you know, I'm just not like that.
I try to be realistic and say, you know, there has to be some explanation for it.
I recognize that what I played in the first hour and 20 minutes or so was very hard for a lot of people to decipher and understand, but I take it you heard it, at least probably understood parts of it.
And what do you think of what you heard?
unidentified
Maybe 60 or 70 percent of it.
I could pick out every word.
But, of course, I've been doing that for 15 years, picking out the words out of the noise.
It was a story he told me that happened to him during the war.
It's World War II, and he was stationed in England, and him and his friend had some time off.
And he said cars were very hard to get a hold of.
Gas was hard to get a hold of.
What was actually plentiful was horses and carriages.
And so him and his friend were out, and they were doing whatever all night long, and they were on their way back to wherever they were staying.
And he admits that they had a little bottle and they were drinking, and they had finished it, and his friend threw it over this wrought iron fence into these bushes.
And so the horse is going along this road.
And he said this figure came out of this area behind the fence, physically walked through this wrought iron fence and up to the horse where the reins of the horse were, and grabbed onto the reins of the horse.
Now he said he was shocked because the horse was, his words were, the horse was going along at a pretty good clip, but the man was walking normally.
The man brought the horse to a stop, came back to the carriage, and passed, they thought he was going to grab his buddy's boot, but what he did was he passed his finger through the boot, and he turned, walked back through the wrought iron fence, and just into the bushes, into the darkness, and was gone.
They went back to where they were, told all of their buddies, and I guess they were laughed at.
He said nobody believed him.
Well, the very next morning, he had to take his friend to Sitcall.
His friend got very sick.
What happened was he got blood poisoning in that leg, in that foot.
Well, remember, he thought, even though the guy walked through a wrought iron fence twice, he thought it was a guy.
He was going to go back and kill this guy and revenge his buddy's death.
He found the road, about a week later, he said, found the road, found the wrought iron fence, was looking around, got around the bushes and looked, and guess what?
It was a graveyard.
The guy threw the bottle into a graveyard, and my father, my grandfather told me as a young kid, that he thinks this was a ghost that killed his friend.
I think it could have been because I was sleeping on my stomach and my mother was home at the time and I felt the fingers go around my arm, like my wrist, one at a time, like one finger at a time curl around my wrist on the one arm.
And I was coming to.
And I remember thinking, why is my mother in my room and why is she grabbing my arm?
The story that I have, I've got to say that there was maybe minimal physical confrontation from the entity, but I think you and your listeners will find this story very interesting.
In the early 40s, my mother and father had just been married, and he was going on vacation.
And my dad's boss said to him, if you're going down to Cape Cod, how would you like to stay in the summer house?
So my father said that was great.
And he said, well, it's been closed up for years.
You're going to have to open the shutters and probably sweep it out.
It's just a summer house.
Got it.
Anyway, my mom and dad and three other couples, so now there's eight people total, went down and did just that, opened the place up, swept it out.
And they were sleeping in sleeping bags, all in the, I guess you'd call it the living room.
During the night, they all sent something walking around the room brushing against the sleeping bags.
And they all woke up to see a very elderly lady wearing a house coat and long gray hair and a white cardigan sweater over the house coat standing in the middle of the room.
What surprised all of them was that she had an opaque look, almost like you could look right through her.
You're wreaking havoc on my marriage because I listen to you every night instead of going to bed with my husband.
But the story happened to me in Billings, Montana.
My sister and I lived in, had our room in the basement of our house, and she was a couple years older than me.
Every night she would wake up with horrible nightmares, and it just got to be a habit that I would roll over in my bed, turn the light on, and have her tell me what was happening to her.
And this one particular night, as I was, she was screaming, and as I rolled over to turn the light on, I saw something scurry between our beds, our twin beds, and go out the door, like on all fours.
And I started talking to her, asking her what happened, and she said that the person was attacking her with a ski pole.
And in the morning when we woke up and we walked through our family room to go up the stairs, to the right was our laundry room, which is where we kept all our skis, and there were seven in our family.
All our skis and ski poles were all strewn through the laundry room, and nobody heard any sounds at all that night.
And I learned this because I used to hear voices in raindrops on the roof and stuff.
I used to hear people call my name and try to talk to me.
And little by little, as I studied more and more metaphysics, I learned that this is people on the other side trying to communicate, and they use static noises of the physical world to do it.
Okay, and it's right down the alley of what we're talking about.
They were using tones and vibrations at different ones, trying to figure out what could modulate more easily.
unidentified
Well, you know what would work best is if they find that right frequency, that'll make a fairly clear voice.
But the important thing is someone like me, I don't understand speech unless it's very clear.
I speak very clear myself on average.
I'm tired tonight.
But unless it's very clear, I can't understand it.
But one of the things with today's computers and everything, you can generate that frequency that will give them something to work with to communicate.
Well, I have absolute faith that if somebody were to review the work that produced what we heard in the first hour and 20 minutes or so of the show and use modern technology, which is what you're talking about, computers and so forth, to enhance it, what we would get would be clear, two-way, real-time communication with the dead.
That would be awesome.
unidentified
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I have a twin brother, and my mother had tried to commit suicide, and we were clear at the other end of the house, sleeping, and we both got up, went to the door, and saw her in there.
And we went out to shake her, and she kind of looked up and looked at both of us and then just dropped her head.
And being kids, we didn't know what the hell to do except run in and, you know, hey, dad, mom said, I think, you know.
And during that period of time, we went to family and friends.
And that night we came back home and we're laying there in bed.
And I'm looking in the hallway.
I just couldn't sleep.
And I seen the head of my mother.
No lower, nothing below the neck, just the head.
And it comes right at me.
And I didn't even find out until just recently, my twin brother saw the same thing.
You see, all of this seems to go, he happened to be on the website, which means he was on a computer.
And more and more now, we're associating the paranormal with a different vibrational state.
We've talked about this a few times on the program.
When you're sitting at a computer, you're receiving a certain frequency, you know, 60 hertz, 70 hertz, 80 hertz, whatever you've got your computer refresh rate set at.
And that's slowly beginning to affect your brain and allowing you to function at a slightly different vibrational rate.
So I think in the computer age, the modern age, we're going to begin to see more and more of that which we could not previously see for exactly that reason.
Well, as you listen to some of the other women who have called, sir, I think you'll find that's very common.
Not very common if you don't bring it up, if you don't ask, but once somebody realizes that others are experiencing the same thing, then they're very likely to want to tell their story.
So you've already heard quite a bit like that.
Actually, it's already been a very revealing evening.
You have experience like that, and you start getting into the books and you start looking at what's going on.
And it was what they call for a male, it's a succubus or a succubi, and for a woman, it's an incubi.
And what they do is they come at you, and they will use your sexual energy or your kundalini force, which comes out in your sexual energy, as a food, as some sort of an energizing sustenance for them.
It's really true, and it's very terrifying for me to even talk about it.
In 1967, shortly after my father died, I was nine years old, and my siblings were older, of course, and my mother was in the home.
And my older sister that was married, she would come back and spend the night with us now and then when her husband was at work.
Well, while my dad was in the process of dying, he was constantly laying in the bathtub with hot water on his legs because it just, you know, the bone cancer was just killing him.
And he was constantly laying in this hot water.
And, you know, my mom would help him back to his room.
Well, he finally passed away.
It was just about this time of year, in fact.
And two weeks after his funeral, my mother and her friend was eating lunch in our kitchen and the hot water went on in our bathroom.
And it just scared her to death because she had to turn the water all the way back.
And steam had already come out.
Well, this had happened to each one in my family, and we'd seen it all together at different times.
No, ma'am, I believe you, and I believe it was your father.
But what it says about death, I find, very discomforting.
Just the way last night and tonight, these EVPs, most of them I find very discomforting because it just doesn't fit the idea that most Christians have of dying and the other side and heaven and hell and the way it's supposed to be.
It just doesn't fit.
unidentified
I know it.
And, you know, the fact is this wasn't, you know, a physical strikeout, but emotionally it wrecked my childhood.
And I have grown up and I have went through lots of counseling over this.
Because, you know, there was no way in a nine-year-old's mind you could conceive what you were seeing and going through, you know, because it just horrified me.
You see, these things do happen, and so far, most of them that I have reviewed, and I've carefully studied this EVP very carefully with my guests, with what I played for you earlier tonight, and what's said is very disturbing, and the voices, the young voices of those saying it, is very disturbing.
And the whole thing, in the context that you've heard it, including the story that young lady just told us, is disturbing.
What does it mean about the nature of death if, in fact, you're not off to heaven or some other place, but just another dimension where what you're able to do is quite limited and quite like what you did on earth.
In fact, so similar as to, well, I don't see much difference to you if that hot water kept coming on.
That man had bone cancer in his legs.
He used the hot water to try and comfort himself.
And then after he died, he kept doing it.
What does that say about the nature of the other side?
Yeah, I only stayed there a year, and there was nothing I could do about it.
I couldn't keep him away.
I couldn't figure out how to do it.
Once we figured out what it was, and it was a creepy building anyway.
I mean, it had like four levels down below, and you heard strange things, and that was where the laundry room was, and you didn't want to do laundry at night.
Well, you're only about the fourth caller this morning who got his or her experience from mocking the whole thing.
unidentified
And you know, something else, and I don't know if you've ever heard of this happening, and I've never related this to any kind of spiritual experience or ghost experience, but I've had a problem for probably close to 10 years, and it comes and goes, and sometimes it's every night, and sometimes it doesn't happen for over a year, where, and usually it's very early in the morning, where I wake up and I feel like my mind is completely and totally awake.
I can't move anything.
I can't move my hands.
And the first time, sometimes I feel like I'm going to die.
So he was laid out at the house, and for three days there were people coming and going and coming and going.
So finally it was over with.
And about two weeks later, my sister and I were going down the street.
And this Italian couple, we lived in an Italian neighborhood, we were Italian too.
And Tony called me over.
And a lot of the Italians had a nickname for me because I had red hair.
So they called me Kevarush, which means red cabbage.
So the older guys always called me that.
So he said, Kevarush, come over here.
So we went over, and he said, are you mad at me?
And I said, no, why would I be mad at you?
And he said, well, you know, he said, we went to the wake, but he said, our son wouldn't go.
His son was about in his 30s or 40s.
And I said, I wouldn't have known if the president showed up.
I said, you know, I was too distraught.
And I said, besides, I wouldn't be mad about something like that.
And he says to me, well, you know, I'm going to be next.
Will you promise me that you'll come to the wake?
And I said, Tony, will you stop it?
And his wife is trying to shoo-shoo him.
And he says, no, please, promise me you'll come.
I said, okay, I'll come to it.
So we left.
And as I was leaving, he said, hey, Kabirush, he said, I promise you that I will give you a sign that I know you're there.
So I just waved him off and we left.
Well, two months later, Tony died.
So my sister and I went down the street, went in the house, and there were a lot of people around, so we had to wait before we could go to the casket and, you know, say our prayers.
And so I was glancing up at the flowers.
There were lots of flowers, and there was a beautiful spray of yellow flowers, and it had, like, worked into a clock, which gave the time of day that Tony died.
I had never seen one like that.
I had since seen a lot of them.
So I said to my sister, look at that.
He died at exactly 10.20, and that's the time dad died.
And she said, wow.
So we finally got up to the casket.
I went to Neil, and just as I went to Neil, I felt something strange was going to happen.
And just then, the spray of flowers with the clock fell off the wall, hit the casket, hit our feet because we tried to jump back.
And the undertaker happened to be there delivering chairs, so he came running over to me.
He says, oh, he said, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Are you hurt?
I said, no, no, we're okay.
And he said, that's never happened before.
He said, I guess I'm going to have to put it back up.
Well, we left, and my sister turned to me and she said, because I forgot all about what Tony said to me.
And she said, do you remember what Tony said to you, that if you showed up, he'd give you a sign?
But again, I'm not so sure how comfortable it makes me feel with the nature of what we've been learning about death.
unidentified
That's true.
That's very true.
sure is.
I listen to your program all the time, and I have a lot of questions going through my mind that I never had before, because, like you said, well, we were Catholic, so we believed you die, you go to heaven.
But so many things have happened to me that, you know, I know that there's an afterlife, but I think that Tony was determined to let me know.
We've got the, I don't know, maybe you could throw in purgatory some, and then heaven, and then you've got hell, and you've got all that stuff, but none of what we've been hearing, none, from the electronic voice phenomena to the stories to any of the rest of it, would suggest that that's what it is.
Well, that qualifies as one of the worst I've heard.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
Oh, now that's bad.
That's really bad.
You grab at a ghost's hair, and you grab it by the hair, and the head comes off in your hand, and then the head wakes up, and then our caller faints, and I don't blame our caller a bit.
I got plenty of stories, but my bizarre story is when I was 18 years old, back in 1990, I was a whole bunch of my buddies and I, we got a house, rented out of high school, and had a lot of fun.
And one night, my buddy and I were staying up late and talking about stories and drinking a little bit.
And he decided to spend the night.
So I had the biggest room in the house, and I had a couch in there.
Well, he decided to sleep on the couch.
Well, I went to sleep.
It was about 3 o'clock in the morning.
And for some odd reason, I woke up at 6 a.m. and there he was, elbows on the knees.
And why is the ghost?
And I said, hey, what's wrong there, bud?
He says, you need to take me home, and You need to take me home now.
So I took him home.
And later that day, he gives me a call.
He goes, You need to come over.
I need to tell you a story.
So that night I went over to his house and he says, You went to sleep.
Well, I didn't go to sleep at all.
And I go, Well, what happened?
He goes, Well, I was laying there.
My face was facing the couch.
And he says, I heard this woman's voice saying, I can't sleep.
And he's like, what the heck?
You know, so he turns around and there's this lady standing there.
And she goes, I can't sleep.
She's looking right at him.
And reality hits him, and he's like, whoa.
And he jumps back, she jumps back, and she flies out of the room.
I haven't told it for a long time, so I'm going to see if I can remember it.
This happened to me back in high school.
I'm 35 now, so it's been a while.
But as I got older and I realized that more people probably wouldn't believe me, I stopped telling it.
In high school, I had some friends that lived out of town.
We lived in a small town in northern Canada.
And I had some friends, and their father was a guide, and he would go out in the woods and hunt for animals with people that came into town or whatever.
And he was out of town, so we were staying with my friends.
And we were going into town to pick up some groceries and whatnot one late night.
And as we were driving, I started feeling really panicky and really nervous.
So I said, can you stop the car for a second?
I think I'm having a panic attack or something.
And I've never had one before, so I didn't know what was wrong.
So we pulled over, and I get out, and I was outside, so I thought I'd do what guys do when they're outside of the car, you know, at night.
Yes.
And the car started to move.
So I knew that somebody was moving around inside of the car.
So I went up, and one of the guys, his name was Kevin.
He was getting into the driver's seat, and he's like 14 or 15 years old at the time.
And it was winter, it was snow, and I said, you know, I don't want to go back if you're driving.
I just, because I have this weird feeling, maybe that's what I was worried about, was a car accident or something.
So he goes, well, we're going to go back to the house, grab some money, because they've forgotten some money, and we'll come back and pick you up on the way back, because I said I just walked.
So I said, okay.
So anyways, they take off, and I'm just kind of walking, and I'm still feeling kind of nervous, but I'm okay.
And there's houses here and there, but it's on the woods, so they're far apart.
You can see the lights in the snow.
And all of a sudden, I see the headlights turn around.
The car's way up around the lake, and the car's turning back coming.
It's about a mile away.
So I thought, I'm going to play a joke on them, and I'm going to run up on the side of the hill in the snow.
They'll go by.
They won't see me, and they'll think, where did Clint go?
So I ran up.
I'm standing on the side of the road, and I got my hands on my knees, and I'm kind of giggling.
And all of a sudden, my, I don't know if this is related or not, but my vision went blurry, and as the car went by, I thought I saw a hearse driving by.
And I thought, okay, that was supposed to be them, but that was a big black car.
And then I heard somebody say my name from behind me.
They went, Clint, really quietly like that.
So I stood up and I ran down this little hill out onto the road.
And I was standing there, and I was really scared.
And I was 17, 16, 17.
I started to cry because I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know where to run because I couldn't see anything.
And suddenly I saw two white figures.
And I thought maybe it was a stop sign or something because they were just standing there and they were white in the distance.
Then they started moving and coming towards me and they were yelling my name.
So I knew then which way to run.
So I ran the other way towards the city.
And I ran and I ran.
And it was about half a mile from the city, actually, at this point.
So I got to the city.
At the very edge of the town was a skating rink.
And my friends were in the car going around in circles yelling my name.
So I ran up and I jumped in the car and I said, go, go, go.
And so they just started driving quickly down the road.
And I told them what I had seen.
And I thought maybe it was them yelling my name that I had heard, but it was different in my head.
And I said, why did you guys turn around and come back?
And they were looking scared at this point.
And they said, well, we were driving.
And suddenly they turned and looked at each other and said, do you feel that?
And he said, yeah, Clint's in trouble.
So they turned their car around to come back and get me.
I'm in Sun City, California, riding up the hill on my way home.
And all of a sudden, everything stopped.
I don't remember actually falling, but when I did wake in my bed, I was scabbed on my shoulder, and my bike was perfectly put in the backyard where I always put it.
And I'm in my house, I'm in the bed, and the door locked, nothing is touched.
The only odd thing about it is I had a perfectly round circle on my, I would say, my wrist.
Everyone always asked me, what is that?
What happened?
You know, but it isn't consistent with a fall.
And it has like a little, on the, a little right, off the right of the center of it, there's like a line in it as though it were something in it.
I know it seems odd to say, but that's exactly what's going on.
And that, I mean, after it happened, I just forgot about it or whatever.
But the more I think about it, it is extremely odd for me to just, as much as I ride a bike, just to fall.
I don't remember falling.
I don't remember any type of pain.
But what is extremely odd is I woke up in my bed, on my back.
My bike is perfectly where I put it all the time.
And then I have this circle as if it was a mark, something on my wrist.
And usually at the end of the day after recording, I would go out running every night.
And one night, you know, maybe a month into the recording, I went out running, and I would run along this bike path.
It would go about five blocks before it got to this wooded area.
And the bike path would go down by the ocean where there were no lights, which was not really a big deal.
And I would run.
It was about an hour run, and I would do this every night.
And when I came to the wooded area, it was pretty foggy.
And I tried to run down the path, but something compelled me not to.
Like, it was definitely fear completely stopping me.
And I thought that was ridiculous.
And I kept trying to run down the path, and I couldn't do it.
I literally was standing there going, this is ridiculous.
I'm a grown man.
But I actually went back to the studio and just ran around the block a couple of times.
And the very next night, I went to do the same run, and I went down the path.
It was no big deal.
But on my way back, when I cleared the wooded area and got back into the city, there was this streetlight that lights up the area right there, and there was this big dumpster.
And just as I got to the dumpster, a man ran out from behind the dumpster and ran straight towards me.
He was wearing huge boots and a big, long trench coat.
And he was totally silhouetted.
And as he came toward me, he disappeared just as he got me.
And I had, like, braced myself to fight.
And I was like, looking in all directions, and he was gone.
And I literally ran back to the studio as fast as I can the four blocks.
I ran to the studio and swung the door open.
And he was like, what happened?
What happened?
And I was like, I didn't even know what to say because it just seemed so absurd.
And they all felt like I got into a fight.
And I must stress that I was kind of like the skeptic of the band, you know.
You know, sir, you know, not very long ago on this program, we had somebody on who said that everybody has the ability to know when they're being stared at.
Most everybody has that.
If you're standing and somebody's staring at you from behind you where you cannot see them, you can feel their presence.
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Right.
Well, my mom, kind of a bohemian, late 60s, early 70s, went out to had this artist as a boyfriend, and he had brought this new painting in and hung it up on the wall.
It was a figure, a humanoid figure kind of chained to some abstract buildings.
Well, a lot of things started happening around the house.
We'd wake up in the morning, all the furniture would be overturned, magazines thrown around.
Next night, something else would happen.
All the dishes would be out of the cupboard and so on.
Well, my mom had a lot of friends in the arts and so on, and she knew this medium.
And this medium came in, and several of them tried to contact this ghost that they thought was our entity or something that was causing all the problems.
And they wrote on a piece of paper.
They all held a pencil by the eraser and this medium asked questions.
Well, they asked what it was upset, and it said one word wrote across the paper, chained.
And asked what his name was, and it wrote Leonard on the paper, asked how old he was.
He said Tim.
Well, later my mom went to the Historical Society and looked up who built the house, found out that he had a son named Leonard that had died of rheumatoid fever.