Dr. Roger Leir, podiatrist and author of Aliens and the Scalpel, details 13 surgically removed objects—metallic implants with non-terrestrial isotopic ratios (3–6 milligauss magnetic readings) and living biological coatings—from 12 patients, none showing trauma or inflammation. He links these cases to Brazil’s 1996 Varginha UFO crash, where military personnel retrieved debris from a cigar-shaped craft housing small, telepathic beings with rapid blood clotting and pink bones; one died after high-oxygen treatment. Leir argues U.S.-Brazil agreements may have hidden the craft’s fate, contrasting Varginha’s ongoing witness accounts with Roswell’s secrecy, while callers report unexplained implants, missing time, and suppressed extraterrestrial disclosures, suggesting governments prioritize control over truth. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, I'm going to open the program in a very different way tonight, and I'm going to tell you about a mystery.
Now, this is not your average mystery, and I'm going to have to set it up as best I can so you can try and understand what I'm about to tell you.
As you know, I've mentioned certainly enough times I'm a ham operator, amateur radio operator.
And I've been a ham consecutively on the Shoreway Band since I was 12 years old.
12 years old.
And in all those years, I'm 59 now.
I have heard, personally experienced what I'm about to tell you about twice.
I have experienced it vicariously through others, I don't know, three or four times.
But what I'm about to demonstrate to you absolutely turns the laws of physics on its ear.
It just turns it on its ear.
Let's discuss a few basics about radio.
That mode which I'm speaking to you on right now, all right?
Radio travels at the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second.
That's how fast radio travels.
186,000 miles per second.
All right?
We've got that basic down.
Now, the way radio, shortwave radio works, or if you're listening to me, for example, right now at a distance on one of the big 50,000-watt boomers scattered around the country, or countries, I guess I ought to say, the way it works, the way you're able to hear it 500, 1,000 miles away, whatever, is as follows.
It bounces off the ionosphere.
Radio fires from the tower of the radio station and scatters, and part of it goes to the ionosphere.
AM radio, shortwave radio.
They both have similar characteristics.
Well, how is this done?
It might be instructive to sort of give you an idea of how the layers of some of our atmosphere are arrayed.
Now, as we go up above ground level, above your head, we have 0 to 10 miles up.
And in the 0 to 10 mile area, we have terrestrial weather.
We have weather systems of varying sorts.
Now, from about 20 miles to about 30 miles altitude, we have the much disputed ozone layer, 20 to 30 miles up.
Then, if we keep going up, we get up to about 80 miles, and there, roughly, we have what's called the D layer of that substance or that thing that reflects radio signals.
The D layer can reflect them sometimes.
The ionosphere then goes to the next level.
There is another level.
It's called the E layer at about 110 miles up.
And then from 175 miles or so up, we have what's called the F layer.
Radio signals can bounce off at varying times and because of various reasons, any one of those layers.
Now, obviously, if a radio signal bounces off the D layer and back, it's going to get back very quickly because it's traveling what?
Only 80 miles or so up and then back down to Earth.
So that would occur, gee 80 miles.
Let's think about that.
Speed of light, 186,000 miles per second, go up to the D layer and down.
Well, you probably couldn't even measure it.
You could, but it would be, you know, something for the atomic people in Denver or something, in Colorado, rather.
All right, so now we know what the speed of light is, and we know how radio, whether it be terrestrial radio or shortwave, gets reflected.
The night time comes, the ionosphere begins to reflect these signals, and voila, you're hearing my voice, you know, X number of miles away.
All right, with all of that in mind, what I'm about to play for you, what I'm about to demonstrate to you is a phenomena that's impossible.
What you're about to hear is impossible, but it's happening.
And it's happened now for years, and it's sporadic, and it's impossible.
It's just impossible.
And here's what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about, well, what's called a long-delayed echo, L-D-E.
And there should be no way that a station transmitting a signal would then hear that signal come back to him.
Well, perhaps there would be the rare occurrence where the station would transmit something, and as soon as he let go of his microphone button, He would hear just a little bit of what he said because it had gone all the way around the world.
Now, that's very rare on the frequencies that we're operating on, 3840, 3.840, 3840 megahertz.
Very rare for that to happen, but one could imagine it might happen.
But even if it did happen and the signal traveled all the way around the world, that would be, oh, I don't know what, roughly 25,000 miles to go around the world.
At the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second going around the world is nothing.
It would engender, perhaps, just a very quick type of echo.
Very quick.
But what you're about to hear, if you understood everything I just said, should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
Now, if you go to Google, if you Google this long-delayed echoes, if you go to Google and put in long-delayed echoes, you will see instances of it occurring.
Not very frequently, but it does happen.
It is so impossible that you will see legitimate people writing theories about space probes and all kinds of other ways.
You know, plus, there's this.
It is, the signals sent out are in fact reflected by the ionosphere, and they don't really go through the ionosphere.
And even if they did, what would they reflect off of out there?
And how would they get back through the ionosphere, which should be reflective on the other side as well?
So, in other words, knowing all of that, the first thing you're going to hear is I can't remember, it's a four or a seven-second echo, you're going to have to listen very carefully to the station transmitting.
Now, I want you to listen very carefully to what you're going to hear, because this is as strange, as odd, as impossible to explain as anything that ever sailed through the Bermuda Triangle.
Listen very carefully, and you will hear, well, you'll hear this guy's transmission coming back to him.
And that's another thing about long-delayed echoes, as I pause my finger over the button.
For some reason, they seem to come back to the point of origin and are not heard very far from that point of origin.
Listen very carefully.
This is not possible.
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That's simply what you're hearing is not possible.
And one might imagine, okay, well, somebody's kidding around with somebody, right?
And, you know, it's a big hoo-ha.
Somebody's out there retransmitting his voice.
But that is not the case.
This occurred to a friend of mine down in Arizona, and it seems to occur for a period of time, you know, a week, a few days, a week, two weeks, and then the phenomena is just gone.
It's occurred to me twice in my career.
And listen, here it comes again.
Only this time there were some precautions taken to make sure that nobody was, you know, fooling around.
So listen very carefully.
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So if you sat here and you did this, hello, Tesla.
And you went up to 341 when you did that, it would go right on frequency when you finished moving your VFO or seven seconds after that.
Let me try it.
Hold on.
You see what I'm saying, though, right?
Yeah, it should follow me up.
In other words, if I move up the band and then deep press my key, I should hear it kind of sound like Donald Duck, and then it should catch up with me, right?
Yeah, you should be able to sweep up the dial.
You know, not very far, but far enough.
It should just follow you up there.
It should be an exact mirror image of what you do.
And what we need, you see, is for somebody to investigate this.
We need some serious investigation into what this could possibly be.
On the face of it, the entire thing turns everything we know about physics on its ear.
So, you know, we many times talk about things on this program that are strange, unusual, and impossible by the standards that we know.
This absolutely is at the top of the list, and we need somebody, I don't know, at the national level, DOD, maybe, or NASA, or somebody, to look into this because it just ain't possible.
The End Well, I hope the masses out there understood the impossibility of what you just heard.
As hams, we understand the impossibility of it and certainly don't begin to understand what's going on.
I'm telling you, they speculate about probes out there and all the rest.
How could the signal, for example, come back to the point of origin after traveling God knows where and for how long and not hit other points around the point of origin?
I mean, it just defies everything we know.
Anyway, onward to the world news.
More than 100,000 people.
There's a very graphic picture up on Drudge of 100,000 people.
Marching past a heavily fortified Republican convention hall on Sunday.
You know, years ago, you'd have never read a line like that.
Heavily fortified Republican convention hall.
Denunciations of the administration and the war in Iraq as delegates flocked to the city to nominate President Bush for another four.
In the White House, Vice President Dick Cheney campaigned his way into the convention about three days ahead of time.
A powerful car bomb has gone off outside the office of the U.S. security contractor in the Afghan capital of Afghanistan.
It killed at least seven, including two Americans.
Tropical storm Gaston, is it Gaston, I guess, sloshed ashore in South Carolina Sunday near hurricane force winds, spinning sheets of rain that flooded roads, as usual, as the storm knocked out power to thousands of people.
Another hurricane looks like it's aiming at Florida.
We'll see.
A California man who once tested, this is incredible, he tested positive for HIV, has learned the diagnosis made all of eight years ago was a big mistake.
He never had the virus that causes AIDS.
Jim Malone spent years battling depression and losing weight, expecting to die at any moment.
He attended support group meetings, accepted free meals from an AIDS charity.
His doctor acknowledged the error in a letter to the Department of Veterans Affairs Clinic where Malone was treated.
Can you imagine that?
You expect to die anytime.
You're losing weight.
I guess that's the placebo effect in reverse, huh?
You're told you have AIDS, so you begin to lose weight like crazy.
The whole thing is crazy.
I told you about this last night, in a dramatic reversal of its previous position, the White House this week conceded that emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases were, in fact, the only likely explanation for global warming.
Citing, quote, best possible scientific information, end quote, an administration official, namely James Mahoney, delivered a report to Congress that essentially reversed the previous White House position set out by George Bush, who had refused to link carbon dioxide emissions to climate change.
My goodness, that is quite a reversal.
Here's an email from Jeremy, who says, Art, love the show and so forth.
You know, I want to talk about something.
The topic is Antarctica.
More specifically, Lake Vostok.
I haven't heard anything about it for a while now, but in the late 90s and after the millennium, I remember hearing that there were many strange things showing up at Lake Vostok.
As I'm sure you're aware, Lake Vostok is an underground lake in Antarctica that is huge.
Apparently, in addition to several magnetic anomalies, they have also detected a very large metal structure in this lake.
And they've noticed as well the water temperature in the area of the object deep below the surface is as warm as 50 to 60 degrees, which ought not be.
Obviously, what I know about this consists of some facts and a lot of rumors, some of which seem to have more inherent veracity than others, but all seem to have something to them.
When these anomalies were first noticed, it generated a lot of interest in the scientific community.
Then I heard that NSA and intelligence services were up there, and shortly thereafter, I heard stories of some scientists and civilians being told to stay away and, in fact, kicked out.
I also heard there were a couple of women who were cross-country skiing across Antarctica that supposedly had seen something after or before being injured and were threatened not to talk about it and were choppered to a base and then out of the continent.
I know these days when you hear about Lake Vostok, it is about the corusamples that supposedly scientists were made to stop experimenting because they were told they might unleash viruses or organisms that have been secluded from our environment for millions of years that just might in some way be harmful.
All I know is there's something fishy, curious, and unknown about what's going on at the bottom of the world.
This is an interesting story.
It's about a winged cat.
Now, I wish I had pulled the photograph and put it on the website for you, but the headline is, Winged cat from hell, put to death In central Russia, a winged cat has been killed by villagers near the central Russian city of Kursk.
The locals apparently drowned the deformed pussycat after it was, well, they believed, frankly, it was a messenger of Satan.
This comes from Promda.
On entering her yard, this young lady saw how a stray cat stood up and just exactly like a chicken stretched out two wings.
She said that at the moment her hair stood straight up on end.
The locals had no doubt the unlucky cat was a messenger of the devil, and unfortunately, they did away with it.
This is not the first time that I've heard rumors of a cat with wings.
I wonder about the rest of you.
At any rate, it was worthy because they actually were holding the wings up.
You know, they had the cat.
They were holding the poor dead cat's wings up.
You notice how something different is very quickly killed?
And so again, I say, if they ever did land, you know, the little green guys, they'd never get to the bottom of the spaceship stairs.
They'd be, you know, so full of lead, they'd just collapse about three steps down.
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Incidentally, at the top of the hour, we're going to have Dr. Roger Lear here.
And Dr. Lear has over the scene or removed any number of implants, possibly alien implants, from human beings.
Some kind of implants.
In fact, the materials of many of them, when they have been tested, and oh, believe me, they've tested them very carefully, have properties that are very similar to meteorites.
So is that whole thing baloney, or is there really something to it?
Tonight might be a night for you to find out.
Dr. Roger Lear, who wouldn't spend his time and waste his time otherwise, removes these things from human beings.
So as far as we know, the laws of physics remain the laws of physics, making what I played for you a little while ago utterly impossible.
Absolutely impossible.
You heard the impossible.
There is no way to explain that.
There are theories and there are books, but that doesn't change the basic physics involved.
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I may not have an explanation for that delay with the radio, but the way you said, you know, how far it's traveled, it's like when you get a thunderstorm and you've got a well-grounded antenna, you get that kind of blue orb over it.
Yes.
Maybe when the guy's charging that antenna, it's not really going anywhere.
It's like a static charge that's somehow just kind of hovering right around that antenna.
And after a set amount of time, it just kind of bleeds back in.
And that's why that's the only radio that'll pick it up.
We're talking about two distinctly different things here.
A thunderstorm and grounded antennas and the plasma ball that is above them.
And then these long-delayed echoes are something else entirely, completely.
Two interesting but very separate subjects.
The first is understandable.
The discharge of the field allowing the bolt not to hit the tower.
That's understandable at least.
What I've laid out in front of you tonight, in terms of proof, audio recordings, and another friend of mine down in Arizona had the same thing going on, and he was kind of going crazy.
I mean, you know, I can hear this, but nobody else can hear it.
My own signal coming back to me seconds later, he finally set up a video recorder so we wouldn't know, you know, we would know rather that he wasn't screwing around.
And you could see him operating the radio, letting go of the microphone, hearing the return signal.
So he went so far as to videotape the whole affair.
No, there's no question about this.
This is real.
This is as real as a heart attack, folks, and it utterly turns physics on its ear, and it demands an explanation.
Absolutely demands an explanation.
And yet none are forthcoming.
Only pretty wild guesses made by otherwise sane people about things like space probes and so forth.
I was their chief engineer, and we ice cored in Greenland and Antarctica.
And the way you described a large metallic object down there, it sounds like perhaps it is something that's using the ice cap at the heat sink and creating this lake.
Also, I was wondering if you'd like to invite Kevin Costner on as a guest, being that all the stuff he's, a lot of things he's done is similar to what you talk about on the show.
About two weeks prior to the major occurrence in Arizona, we did, that was back during the time that I was doing these mind experiments, and that was one of the early on ones.
And so you could either connect it or not.
I chose, because there was a two-week interval, not to necessarily connect it, but looking back on it, timeline-wise, why, maybe.
See, the funny thing about this was I don't really recall exactly what point in my life I started noticing it, but I just remember noticing it a lot in high school.
And I was like, you know, hey, when did I get that?
So it comes out, and I didn't think about it.
And I'm on the way to work.
I'm Russian.
So I just let it go in my truck.
And I didn't even think to go back and look at it because you guys were talking about what it might be made of.
So I'm not going to go look for it, I guess.
But it was so small.
And so now I've never, like, the other day I was thinking about this.
I don't recall in my, you know, growing up, at least probably six years old and up, I don't remember having a nosebleed in my entire life.
You know, I must have had one when I was real young or something, because I don't remember.
But since last week, since last Thursday, and up until now, I've been having frequent random nosebleeds.
Ever since I took whatever that was out.
And I'm in the military, so I'm not going to go ask one of my dogs, you know, hey, hey, I pulled this out and I think it might be something alien because I'll think I'm crazy, you know?
No, I ripped off a piece of my lip with super glue.
That's about as close as it gets.
I don't know what to tell you.
If it's already out, then it's out.
And I don't know how you're going to relate the nosebleeds to it.
But maybe it was something, maybe it was nothing.
Tonight we will explore the kind of thing he was talking about in much more depth.
And there have been things removed from human beings.
What are they?
I don't think we'll get those answers tonight, but if you want to learn whether they really might be something other than earthly, you're going to want to listen.
Yeah, and there was a park with children's bicycles laying down on the curb.
There was a laundromat with clothes full, but no people.
There was a train station, and people were walking in on the seats, but no people.
And I just thought if anyone had heard of that, any updates on that?
Also, years back he had on a guest, he was a Russian defector.
Remember that man?
And he spoke of a bill that Bill Clinton put through to, in case of supposedly an accidental nuclear strike, that America would not retaliate immediately.
It was our first strike policy turned on its ear, suggesting that we might not strike first.
Now, hopefully we still have that policy because that is, in my opinion, what creates deterrence.
If you know what's going to happen to you, you think two or three times before you do it.
Now, with regard to the long-delayed echoes, anybody who has any input, please get it to me.
I would be artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
But if you have any answers to the unanswerable so far, I certainly would, and so many others would appreciate the input as well, and we'll be sure you hear about it.
We're going to be talking to Dr. Roger Lear about implants.
Coming up in just a moment, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Dr. Roger Lear, author of Aliens and the Scalpel, has been said to have been one of the world's most important leaders in physical evidence research involving ufology.
He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien implants abductees.
This resulted in the removal of 10 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants.
These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious labs in the world.
Their findings have been baffling, and some comparisons have been made to meteorite samples.
Dr. Lear anticipates performing more surgeries in the future and will investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.
He has also formed a non-profit organization for this exact purpose called ANS Research Inc.
All you do is stick your head out about a mile and wait for the chopping block to cut it off.
Most of the things I've done, quite seriously, have been through a group of synchronistic events.
The first one I got into was as a challenge because I was shown an x-ray of a foot that had a couple of objects in it, and they touted this as being an alien implant, and I walked away chuckling.
And, of course, at that time, I'd been in practice about 30-some odd years and have removed almost everything from metal to glass to hair to whatever, coral, all sorts of things.
Even once, a super-secret piece of metal, which I had a couple of fellows with suits in the operating room, who took it and ran.
So I remember my father coming into our kitchen and throwing the newspaper down on the table and reading the headline to my mother, U.S. Army Air Force Captures Flying Saucer.
And then he went on on a long dissertation telling her that, you see, honey, I told you we're not the only living creatures in the vastness of this universe.
And he was a bit irate when after a day or so he read the headline that said it wasn't a saucer, it was a balloon.
He was one of these old-fashioned people that thought, you know, whatever you did, if you were professional and you would be an expert in whatever you do, you know, if it was radio, then you better know everything about radio.
So as far as he was concerned, the simplicity of it was the Army Air Force was that that was the end.
That was the last word.
And I remember him saying to my mother, a very irritated voice, you mean they don't know the difference between a saucer and a balloon?
Well, that's kind of like when I had my, you know, that triangle 150 feet Above me, and then Nellis Air Force Base releases this thing, says it was a C-130.
But how, still, the level of interest to get to the point where you're cutting people open looking for stuff has got to be a lot of notches beyond that talking about Roswell.
Well, the years, you know, went by, and I went through school and got my professional degree, and then I got interested in flying and astronomy, and I got a pilot's license and got multi-engine rated and went through the whole thing.
So I sort of always was interested in aviation and astronomical things.
And then a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to go to a MUFON meeting.
And I said, is that something to do with food?
What exactly is that?
He said, no, mutual UFO network.
And I said, what do they do?
And he said, well, it's something to do with UFOs.
So I went, and it was a very interesting presentation.
And besides that, they had free cookies that were homemade.
So the meeting was great.
To make a long story short, I joined, later became an investigative reporter for a periodical called The Vortex.
And in doing so, I would attend various lectures and conferences and critique the individuals that were speaking.
Speaking my own voice.
Some liked it and some didn't.
But anyway, I was at one of these conferences where I was exposed to this x-ray.
And I just simply said, well, if you think these are alien implants, why don't you take them out and see what they are?
And he said, well, yeah, you know, I'd like to get this done, but, you know, the patient doesn't have any money and she can't afford medical insurance.
So I said, where does she live?
And he said, Texas.
And I said, well, I'll tell you what.
You get her to California and I'll do the surgery free.
Now, here's where we're going to spend a little bit of time.
This membrane you're talking about, it's pretty weird.
We've talked about it before, and I want to lay it out for everybody again.
But is it the kind of membrane that you would see growing on any, since you've removed so many other objects from feet before, do they have this kind of membrane?
But the most peculiar thing about this tissue, you know, here there's two surgeons in a room full of people and a live feed going out to a television set in a waiting room with eyewitnesses and so on.
Excuse me.
And we take a knife and try a surgical blade, and we try and cut this thing open.
It's either an acute or a chronic inflammatory reaction.
And white cells are definitely involved.
They migrate to the area and they try and remove it.
And if it's the wrong kind of stuff, they don't remove it, but they'll wall it off in what we call an inclusion cyst or a foreign body inclusion cyst, which is fibrous tissue, you know, like shrapnel that's been in a wound for 100 years.
Yes, and of course now, after I've done a number of these things, and actually we've gone on since you've got that statistical data, we've done 12 cases now, removed 13 objects and submitted them all for very stringent analysis.
We're going to cover that in quite a bit of detail.
But back up from that for a second.
You said we're sure they're not terrestrial in origin.
Are you sure that in some lab somewhere, I mean, God knows the government is doing some pretty weird stuff, witness the two guys you had in your office, right?
So they're doing even weirder stuff than that.
So who's to say that some of what you're running into might not have come from, I don't know, some government secret lab somewhere?
Now, the other thing is, because I've been in this a while, and Whitley will attest to this too, because he was responsible for getting me into these places.
A couple of these places were black budget laboratories.
I mean, that's what they do.
They do the secret stuff.
And here we have a number of guys who are crowded into the room looking at my material with the lab director standing out in the hall wringing his hands.
You know, not a happy scene, and they're not happy with me or the scientists that got my material in there.
And I was able to find things out that the black budget guys don't understand for all of the stuff you're looking at.
Dr. Lear, this growth, this thing that grows over these implants or whatever they are, is it something, in your opinion, the body produced in reflex to this object appearing?
Is it something that you believe is a living part of the object itself?
Or put it another way, is it a living biological entity that you're removing?
And looking at the SEM scanning electron microscopy and looking at the ratio of elements in the object, we find that they are pretty similar to meteorites, except the nickel-iron ratio is wrong.
So although they may be similar, they are in some aspects dissimilar.
And there's a certain ratio to nickel to iron that must be to determine if it is definitely a meteorite.
And it's usually pretty specific across the board.
Also, when looking at isotopic ratios and things, when things are mined here on Earth, the isotopic ratios are relatively the same, about 2%.
But looking at stuff that comes From elsewhere, asteroids, and what we've brought back from the moon, and Martian samples, and so on, the isotopic ratios can be extremely different.
One of the things that we find, for example, is the magnetic properties, they vary in magnetic field depending upon the person and the object, varying from about three to six milligauss.
Yeah, I would remember that it would stay on one frequency for a fixed short amount of time and then pop up to another one, stay on that one, and then pop back to the first one.
Yeah, we had a spectrum analyzer and a radio frequency detector, and we took the patient out in an empty field and drew a circle, and then took the instrument and placed one of the members of the team out in the middle of the circle, and we walked 360 degrees, pointing the antenna horizontally to see what frequency it would walk on.
Well, you know, I talk to certain radio engineers, and they say that it doesn't necessarily mean that you're really getting an emanation from that particular object in the body, because they're telling me it could be something like a radio relay, where you're getting a signal bounced off of it, and it's looking at the source, but it may not be the source.
You may not even be looking at the main frequency, but just because you're very nearby, a product coming from it, which would appear perhaps on many frequencies.
Then we take these things out, we don't get anything.
And this last object was so highly magnetic, the instruments that we use during surgery, they're made by the surgical manufacturing company to not be dangerous.
And so they don't easily get magnetized.
So when we took this thing out and put it into the container, the instrument that I used, the clamp to take it out with, was already magnetized.
And all I did was took another instrument, which we call a mosquito.
When we do X-ray diffraction on the, naturally the object contains iron because of magnetic properties.
You would expect that.
So when we do X-ray diffraction on the iron, we find that the iron is amorphous.
Meaning that it has no crystalline form.
Now, I was able to find out, and I don't mind talking about this to an audience on the radio these days, but we have some secret technology that knows how to make amorphous metals, but don't ask me what they use it for.
But what they're amazed at is how do you make amorphous iron magnetic?
They go through a long sort of sifting period before we determine they're going to become a surgical candidate.
And that's primary.
They have to have some conscious memory indicating they may have had an abduction.
We don't allow anybody to undergo regressive hypnosis just because we don't want the criticism that say we put ideas in their heads.
So they've got to have some pure conscious memory.
After the surgery is done, if they want to, some people don't want to, if they want to undergo hypnosis, we can provide them with individuals who are qualified to do this.
Well, what is it generally thought to be with regard to the delineation between those who have been abducted and remember it consciously and those who don't?
Well, in other words, how many people are thought to be abducted with no conscious memory of it, do you think, versus those who have a conscious memory?
I would think the ratio would be very high, that there'd be many more who wouldn't have any memory at all of the abduction.
They may have indications of having a few quote-unquote strange dreams, but they get adjusted to it and rationalize things around and go about their business.
A much, much, much smaller amount are bothered by it and have some kind of conscious memories which may result in phobias and fears and alcoholism and drug addiction and other quirks of compensation.
If you look at the Roper poll, I guess we can get some conservative U.S. statistic at about one between 1 and 2% of the population.
And I say conservative because the amount of people who answer those questions, what makes the pollster think they're going to answer them in a frank and open mind.
So that's probably a very conservative figure.
And then I feel about 15% maybe of those might have a detectable object in their body.
Now I get emails still.
I did the first case in 95.
It's almost 2005.
And I still get about 300 emails a week.
But it's only a small percentage of these who are really involved.
One of the things I've done as an offshoot from this research, and based on part of it on my own family, I have a young daughter who's now 13 and watching her grow up in comparison to my older kid.
She's not the same kid.
So it got me looking at kids today.
So I started looking at some statistical comparisons on growth characteristics.
And I took 17 functional growth characteristics over a 40-year period, 1947 to 1987.
And 47 has absolutely nothing to do with Roswell.
It just happened to be that the books that I was using were printed in 1947.
And the next set of statistics wasn't available until 1987.
And these are worldwide.
And we found, I'll give you an example, things like when the child raises their head, when they can climb stairs, when they can stand, when they can talk, simple sentences.
We found overall those statistics have been accelerated by 16, that's 1 6 to 80 percent.
And it don't make any difference whether it's in China or Israel or Russia or the U.S. or Brazil.
My daughter, for example, when she was about 10 years old, would walk out the front door, and we had a tree there that would collect all of these tiny little tweety birds.
And she would walk out and they would do their thing and sing and whatever.
And I would walk out the door.
They would go in a million directions.
And she would say things like reaching into some pool of universal knowledge and having a plum rolled off her tongue.
Well, then I began to look at kids in general and talking to parents and having them write me letters and traveling about the world as I have in the last four or five years and talking to parents and grandparents.
It was not just my daughter.
It seemed to be pretty much a general rule for kids born within the last 30, 40 years.
We're showing these characteristics.
And then looking at the literature, we're reading books about star children, millennium children.
And if you've listened carefully so far tonight, and you're not thinking and thinking really hard about all you've heard, then there's not much hope for you.
Dr. Roger Lear is here, and what he's told us so far about these implants is incredible.
I mean, totally over the top incredible.
And we're not done because we're about to tell you what's just happened, relatively just happened, in South America, in Brazil, the equivalent of our Roswell, perhaps, coming up in a moment.
The End All right, Dr. Lear, we're about to talk about South America, but just before we do that, Curtis in San Diego has a pretty good question, Fast Blasting.
He says, can you ask the doctor, please, if they did any DNA testing on the material encapsulating the metal objects?
Well, you've got to remember that Bob financed a huge, the most expensive DNA study that's ever been done on one of my specimens from a non-implant case.
And it was quite a scientific endeavor.
Probably it's the most in-depth study ever done on DNA and anything involved in the UFO field.
The event that happened is very similar to what happened here or what we believe happened in Roswell in July of 1947.
And with a crash of evidently some strange craft, and instead of bodies being reported as were with Roswell, there was actual beings that were seen around town.
Now this occurred, the accepted date is January the 20th, and I'll tell you later why I use that terminology.
It gained quite a bit of publicity even a month or so later here in the United States when a front-page article appeared in the Wall Street Journal and was entitled Stinky Aliens Land in Brazil.
Yeah, big, big story investigated by numerous Brazilian investigators.
Stan Friedman was down there, but he did not do any investigation on the case.
He found out about it and looked at some of the data.
John Mack was there not too long after it happened and interviewed three girls who were eyewitness to one of the beings.
Bob Pratt, who had spent quite a bit of time in Brazil investigating cases, was there also.
I think Michael Hessman came there from Germany.
But most of the investigation was done within the country by some very, very well-qualified Brazilian investigators.
The lead investigator in the case is a very well-respected attorney in Virginia who has a UFO Institute and he's been investigating in the field for over 36 years and his name is Uberjara Rodriguez.
So everything that I'm going to tell you has been witnessed by him.
And to date, he has filing cabinets along one of the walls in his office and he operates like many attorneys with a very meticulous methodology and the collection of evidence.
And the filing cabinets are full of eyewitness testimonies, both civilian and military.
Okay, we have eyewitnesses to the actual craft, crashing.
It was a large cigar-shaped craft that apparently had a piece missing out of the rear of it, and the eyewitnesses described some smoke or vapor or some kind of trail.
Now, some say that this flew around for some time before finally impacting with the ground.
Also, we know that there's enough testimony now that the Brazilian authorities, military, and there's a camp which is very close to the area where this happened in Virginia called Sergeant's Camp, which is essentially a military training base for officers.
The Brazilian military was notified by NORAD that this object was coming down and given the coordinates.
One was a local farmer who saw it impact, and then he drove his truck around the corner after the military arrived, which was not that long after it impacted, told to get out of there.
And instead of doing that, he kind of went around the corner with the truck and watched the operation.
They brought in flatbed trucks.
And as you can imagine, there was a number of military personnel with metal detectors and plastic bags.
And they went arm to arm and combed the field.
And the crane was brought in to lift the heaviest section of the piece, which was described as about as big as a Volkswagen bus.
So they got the thing cleaned up and got out of there.
Well, within a very short few hours after this happened, three girls who were coming home from work and taking a shortcut through a field saw something up ahead, and they didn't know what it was.
They thought perhaps it was an animal.
Now, you've got to remember in Brazil there are things that walk and crawl around.
Sure.
And it's not like here.
So it's not unusual to see some kind of an animal, you know, close to town and so on.
In fact, the fire department in Brazil, who is intimately involved with this case, is a branch of the military.
The fire department is not like the U.S. It's like we have the Marines, Navy, and so on.
The fire department is a military unit.
And the fire department was also on the scene almost immediately.
So there were some minor discrepancies between the fire department and the military unit.
Because it's like what goes on at LAX where the LAPD is battling with the airport police.
The creature was described as being less than about five feet tall with a large head, no hair, big red eyes that were upturned, a very brown and oily skin, and a set of what they considered external blood vessels, almost like varicose veins, which coursed the shoulders and up into the neck.
Yeah, it was kneeling, and what scared them was that there were three little protruvernances on the top of its head running from front to back, one in the middle and one on each side.
So the first girl let out a scream because she thought she saw the devil.
And she turned around and ran quickly in the direction of home.
The second girl stayed, I don't know, I guess you could say, sort of in a state of shock and actually looked at the being.
And the being turned its head around and looked her directly in the eyes.
Then she quickly departed the scene, followed by the third girl.
And I was able to interview when I was there two of these girls and their mother, who was later taken by them to the area where the girls reported this.
And by the time the mother got there, the being was no longer there.
Well, now, of course, I'm interviewing you, and I can get a great sense of you by interviewing you.
And I suppose, even if it was a translation kind of situation, I'm sure it was, with these young girls, you can still get a sense of the person telling the story.
What kind of sense did you get from the interview?
It was an emotional interview, even though it's been a few years since it happened and the girls are older.
They were able to tell a very clear story.
And I did something a little bit different, probably, than what John Mack did.
He interviewed them from a different standpoint than I did.
I interviewed them, you know, My goal, why did I go there in the first place?
I've been to Brazil many, many times, and I've been talking at UFO conclaves down there, but always there was some case that I would be involved in, mainly abduction cases with possible physical evidence.
And I really started looking for physical evidence.
So I spent an extended length of time in Brazil at that particular time, and I wanted to go to Virginia.
And the more people tried to keep me out, which they did.
Well, some of the researchers didn't want me going there for whatever the reasons.
There was many rumors that the Brazilian military had frightened everybody to death.
They didn't want any outsiders into the area.
I heard stories that the areas of interest were not accessible anymore, that the three girls weren't there, other witnesses wouldn't talk, just all kinds of rumors and stuff.
And so I kept insisting.
And so it was set up.
And of course, my quest was to go there to look for physical evidence.
I've recently written a book, which is coming out in France in November, and I'm looking for an English publisher, but it details everything, my interviews with the girls and my reception there.
My reception at the plane, I guess I should mention that because it absolutely dumbfounded me.
There was an entourage of people that were there at the ramp as I was coming off the plane, and I kept looking around.
Well, maybe you were, and there are a lot of people who might believe that the mayor's turning out might indicate that their interest is not perhaps so scientific as it is.
You know, we know of this American town, you know, Roswell, where they do so much business in t-shirts now and stuff like that, coffee cups.
And maybe he wanted, you know, a tourist destination.
Well, of course, I want to know, I mean, here you've got a craft that has crashed.
You've got creatures at the stage of the story running loose in the countryside or kneeling, whatever they were doing, but live creatures on the ground.
So obviously, this story has got to have some sort of conclusion.
The usual UFO story conclusion, I suppose, where everything is confiscated by the military and everything disappears and the entire story then becomes unverifiable except for talking to the witnesses.
Now, before we hear the end of this story, which apparently is somewhat different than the way most of these kinds of stories end, apparently Dr. Lear had a chance to interview Brazilian doctors, the Brazilian doctors who had to do with all of this, and I wonder what they said.
All right, well, definitely the only polite thing to do when you have somebody disclosing information of this magnitude is to promote what he has, and Dr. Roger Lear has written a book which is called The Aliens and the Scalpel.
It's a pretty good title, huh?
The Aliens and the Scalpel.
And we'll find out in a moment where that book is or is not available these days.
Also, a video and a DVD.
And I think that's new.
I don't recall that.
The scientific study of alien implants.
Now, if there's a video with it, that should really be interesting and maybe even a little gory.
I don't know.
Anyway, the video and DVD, video DVD, it's new, right?
The video could be obtained the same way, and it comes in the form of a video and a DVD.
We have two of them.
One, as you mentioned, is the scientific study of alien implants, which takes the viewer into the laboratories, and they can actually hear what the scientists have to say.
And the second one is the Dr. Lear story, which is an in-depth interview on this subject with me by Bill Burns, who is the publisher of UFO Magazine U.S. and the co-author of The Day After Roswell.
A total secret until probably just recently because there's just been a conference in there and another doctor who treated this individual, I understand, has come forth and is filming the beans as we talk.
Well, I don't know, Doctor, for a long time I've been very suspicious and uneasy with the majority opinion in the UFO community that these are warm, fuzzy little things.
I've never felt that.
And I've always felt very strongly the possibility that no matter how you look at this, and I stand back and look at the reproductive experiments and that kind of thing.
And, you know, I'm not thinking they're acting in our favor.
And I'm not so comfortable with the fact that they're warm, fuzzy little creatures.
I think that, you know, my advice to the UFO community in general is they better wake up and get scientific and drop some of the illusions that have been floating around for years.
One of these creatures was injured, and that's the one that sat on this poor soul's lap, and he was taken to Hospital Regionale, met there by an additional military contingent who took over a portion of the hospital, the surgical wing, and this is not a big place to begin with.
And there the creature underwent some sort of treatment.
We didn't know until this witness heard I was coming to town and called Uberjar Rodriguez and said that he would be willing to talk to me, not as any kind of a UFO investigator, but as a colleague.
Well, as I said, he started with a disclaimer, but then when he started talking about the events and what happened and the Yeah, he was not told what this was.
There was some emergency.
There was military in the hospital.
That wasn't surprising because they had accidents that happened on the base, and they took in people, etc.
So he was not surprised to see a military contingent to the hospital at all.
He was taken in, asked to go into the surgical wing of the hospital, and military guards after he went in with a couple of colleagues and assistants were closed off into that area.
And he inquired as to what was going on, and they told him that it wasn't his business just to follow directions and do what he was told to cut the story down so it'll fit in.
We get the important parts.
He was taken into the operating room.
There was something lying on the table that he knew was short, covered with a drape sheet.
And he thought, oh my, you know, this is something because it's probably a child.
It's a serious injury here.
So the doors were shut.
They told him, don't come out until he's resolved the medical problem.
Don't ask questions and just do your thing.
Very matter-of-fact, do it.
Make sure the patient's alive and then you can come out.
So he was there with the surgical personnel and so on.
There were some x-rays that were up on the view box.
He looked at the x-rays and found that there was a compound fracture of the leg.
And at that point, he went over to the table and started to roll back the drape and was horrified because he looked at it and he thought that this was some kind of terrible, horrible deformity, a human deformity.
But as he began to examine what was laying there, he realized that this was not a human being at all.
And he described it very similar to what the girls described, a creature that was about almost five feet in Length with a large head, a thin neck, brown, oily-colored skin, no body hair, no facial hair, no mustache, a tiny little nose.
And that it clotted almost immediately as it came out of the blood vessel.
But he didn't know whether this was due to increased platelets or whether the blood was being exposed to an atmosphere that was different than where this thing had come from.
He said the bone was, again, very similar to human bone, except it was a little more pink in color.
And then it contained what is called medically lacunae.
And these are holes or apertures that are in the bone.
He said it almost looked like osteoporotic bone, which in human is a diseased bone, which the calcium drops out and has holes in it.
But he said because of these internal lacunae or holes or apertures in the bone, the tensile strength of the bone was much, much stronger than human bone.
And he knew that what he had to do was to, of course, put the bone back, set the fracture, and so on.
And at some point, he said he lost control.
And that whatever was happening was that whatever was laying there was controlling the movements of his hand.
There were a lot of rumors in this case, and some of the rumors indicated that these creatures made a buzzing noise like a bunch of bees.
I didn't find that, and I couldn't get any testimony of that, but there are supposedly some witnesses.
That's correct.
He said that he tried to explain it as best as he could by automatic movements of the hands that sort of guided his fingers in doing what he was doing.
You know, the closest thing I've ever heard of this is on Star Trek when I think Spock was putting himself together.
But anyway, they fixed the wound without internal fixation.
That means no plates, no pins, no screws, no wires.
He knew he was getting it, and I asked him, can you tell us what it is that you learned from the creature?
And he says, I'm only going to tell you a very little bit at this meeting.
And I said, okay, go.
And he said, the first thing the creature said was that he felt sorry for human beings.
And I said, why?
And his answer was, because the creature said that we could do everything that they could do, but we didn't know how to do it.
And number two, the other reason he felt sorry for human beings, and this is very, very prophetic, he said, because we were totally detached from our spiritual self.
Now, when this interview was finished, Again, all I can do is verbally describe that here's a man who hasn't talked about this to a soul in six years telling us this story.
He's now sitting in a chair with his head bent over, his hands out in front of him that are absolutely shaking.
Maybe different strokes or maybe, but the fact that there's so much reproductive study of us and maybe even use of us that maybe they well, I don't know.
It could lead to so many different lines of thought about, you know, you're always, I'm always anyway, trying to figure a motive to all of this.
Well, I think that's true, you know, with some of the other features that were described, you know, a little residual nose, no particular pina for ears, a mouth that didn't appear to be used for chewing or taking food in.
So they may not have need of some of the necessities that we have.
The eyewitnesses talk about the transportation of material and bodies to a town called Campinas and ultimately to a university where an autopsy was done by the very famous Baden Polaris, who was the famous autopsy specialist and pathologist that described the bones of Mengela.
And he was brought there by a military contingent, and there were U.S. military seen all around.
And plus, when I was there before, I brought back some agreements that were between the U.S. and NASA and the Brazilian government, in which one was signed by Warren Christopher.
And the agreement essentially was that they would allow the United States access to all non-terrestrial material obtained in Brazil.
And because of that, they would give back all the results of what they found from back engineering for use in the private sector.
Wow.
One of these documents is on my website if folks would like to go to that.
I would think I haven't looked yet, but I'm sure we have a link up on our website, CoastCozan.com right now, that would take you there.
Otherwise, that's the website.
Well, you know, because this is so recent and because of everything you've described, this actually, you know, so far, it sounds to me like it puts Roswell in the back seat.
Now, we have eyewitness testimony, again, that says that this being was taken with several adjoining vehicles immediately to another hospital called Humanesis Hospital.
Was taken in that hospital, and the following day, three trucks pulled up to the back of the hospital, each looking like the other, military trucks, flatbed with a canvas cover, and a box of something like a casket was loaded onto the back of one of these trucks, and this being was placed in it and taken away.
Now, again, there was some nursing testimony from Humanitis Hospital that said that for whatever the reason they administered high dosages of oxygen to this patient in an attempt to resuscitate it, and either the oxygen killed it or it died from God knows what other causes.
I'm sure it was intelligent enough to get a dose of our primitive hospital facilities and probably figured, you know, I'm not going back where I came from, so goodbye.
We know it's in the U.S. Yes, yeah, there was, again, testimony, military testimony.
They even know what base the trucks wound up at and the kind of aircrafts it was loaded onto and flown back to the U.S. Tremendous amount of knowledge in this case.
So is there going to be an effort to officially, in some way, get these witnesses together?
I mean, this sounds like a monster story, just a gigantic story, and well worthy of the kind of attention that was lavished on Roswell, only maybe even a lot more, because this is recent.
Well, I had a little bit of trepidation because I thought, yeah, gosh, this is what's going to happen.
We pulled up in front of the fire department, and Bira Jara says, you're not legally allowed even to take video or photographs of the front of this place.
He said, but, you know, I'm going to get out of the car and I can walk over there.
And he says, I guess I can't stop you from photographing me.
So that's what we did.
We photographed him.
And, of course, with a Zoom lens on, we got the whole front of the fire department facility.
And we got over there.
Two fellows came out and they had a conversation with him.
And soon he was waving at us to get out of the car.
And we went in there and they treated us like colleagues.
We even put on the uniforms and took pictures with them.
And we saw the very fire truck that was used in the capture of one of these beings.
You know, when you're more open about a subject, I think that it's a common psychology that you become less sensitized to it.
And you look at it like the local football score or the local Sox soccer match when things are kept a secret and ridiculed.
They don't have the haha TV factor down there.
I've done many hours of radio and television in Brazil, and I've been on some shows that were like documentaries, and others that were a variety-type shows with everything from naked dancers to musicians to newscasters to whatever.
The whole system, life is different there.
Their eating is different.
The times of the day that people do things are different.
It's a very open society, very warm, hugging people.
They love to eat.
And this is a place where you don't want to go to get breakfast because you won't find it unless it's enough.
So, obviously, I've heard of this incident in Brazil.
I have never, ever had the kind of details laid out in front of me that we've had tonight.
Not even close.
So, obviously, this is a monster case.
Now, let me set this up.
I'm recalling the last major thing that happened here and the odd way in which it was handled by the press.
And I refer, of course, to the Phoenix lights situation.
You know, when it happened, I was on the air and I took calls about the Phoenix lights.
It was obvious at that time that it was a monstrous story.
And we covered it as such on the air.
But then an odd thing happened.
Months and months went by, and all of a sudden, all at once, in concert, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, every news outlet you can name began to cover this story like somebody threw a damn switch.
I mean, it was that much in unison, you know, just like that.
Boom!
Everybody started covering it months later like it had just happened the day before.
And I'm wondering if there's some aspect of that possibly going on with this story you've been telling us, Dr. Lear.
In other words, it's a big one.
And is it going to be the kind of deal where some investigative magazine, you know, like 60 Minutes or I don't know, whatever, goes down there and pops this story wide open to America months or years downline?
Well, I've been discussing this case with some possible television outlets, producers that have some interest.
But, you know, just like you mentioned, the Phoenix lights, that's an ongoing thing.
It's not over.
I'm here at the Bay Area UFO conference, and two physicians were here, Lynn Katai and her husband, who live in Phoenix, and actually filmed the Phoenix lights and the surrounding incidents going on for months.
And I believe that the information is under somebody's control.
But the AO, you have to kind of stand back and look at the whole thing.
You know, where should the blame be placed?
Is it terrestrial blame or maybe not terrestrial blame?
Maybe there's somebody else that doesn't want this information all over the place.
If NORAD has the ability to notify the Brazilian military of the coordinates where a craft is going to impact in Brazil and the eyewitnesses describe it with a piece missing and smoke pouring out of the back, I wonder how it got in that condition.
First of all, I used to be one of those non-believers, the people who scoffed at all the alien encounters, but that all changed with my own encounter.
That's a whole story in itself.
My question for your guest is, with all the sightings that were down in Brazil and continuous sightings that you mentioned, how come there's not much more media coverage up here?
I mean, other than like you've got the Sun-Times and all those, I guess, colorful papers that report it every day.
Maybe it's that we've done such a good job on ourselves.
I mean, what greater disinformation organ could there be than the way the press reports all of this since, what's his name, held the balloon up, said this is what it was.
We seem to destroy ourselves in a way.
Ufology is a self-destructive sort of thing, isn't it, Doctor?
The gentleman who just called, our last caller, and answer to his last question, if he thinks that he has something in his body and he really wants to know, for heaven's sakes, go out and get an x-ray taken.
Well, what the doctor told me, we'll repeat that, was two things.
He said that, number one, he felt sorry for the human race.
And when asked why in this conversation, he says, because human beings could do what they could do, but we didn't know how to do it.
And as an example, he said that wherever it is he came from, it would not be necessary for him to be in a facility to cure the problem that he had, because either singularly or in unison with others, they could produce a cure without being any kind of specialized facility.
And the second one was that he felt sorry for the human race because we were totally detached from our spiritual self.
One of the cases that I operated on was a fellow who was by trade a craftsman, carpenter, contractor.
And he knew he had an object in the back of his hand for years.
In fact, it had been in for 46 somewhat years.
And he would have fun, and he would entertain guests by taking a stud finder and running it over the back of his hand.
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I had heard that.
And my comment, and I want to know if you agree, I had, I too had begun to hear Art.
I thought, oh, he's off his nut, and they're all off their nuts about UFOs and such, but I love God and I love spirit.
And I began researching, and there is a very interesting, and when you said iron tonight, it just ran the chills through me.
There's a scripture that talks about the enemy of mankind or the adversary that will mingle himself or themselves with the seed of men that are of miry clay, and they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, but shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And it says, by doing this in the Hebrew, so what I do is I go and get the words in English, and then I look up the number in Hebrew, and then I give the translation and run it all together, and it is mind-blowing.
There is apparently some biblical support for iron being mixed into all of this.
I wonder, Doctor, do you think that when all is said and done, the only reason that I've ever imagined that the American government and the powers of beer and or the shadow or whatever wouldn't tell the American people would be if the real truth was, or at least we were told by those who came to us in this manner, that they, in essence, were our gods, our designers.
That would be totally unacceptable to the majority of the American people.
I mean, I read a story in the first hour of the program, Doctor, about a cat with wings.
This cat was deformed or something or weird, and it had wings.
This was in Russia.
And the first thing they did was drown it because it was a devil.
Yeah, well, look at some of the stories again, back to Roswell, particularly the one that kind of excites and nauseates me is the one, the story about the military personnel who hits this ugly creature in the head with a rifle butt.
I appreciate it, but that's not appropriate at the moment.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
Hello.
Very short on time here.
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Hey, Dr. Lear and Art.
Hi.
I'm calling from Albuquerque, and this doesn't have to do with Brazil, but it has to do with, I know some people, they all live in the same neighborhood in Albuquerque.
I don't want to mention it.
Near the base, they have something growing out of them, and it's like a parasite because it keeps growing, but it looks like fishing line.
If these implants or if things done to human beings are in some way negatively affecting them, doctor, you know, with things like that, I don't know, and other oddities that show up, would we necessarily register the fact that what we were seeing as some medical weirdness actually had a source,
an extraterrestrial, possibly an extraterrestrial source or as an artifact of tampering with genetics or whatever?
Well, I think you have to go back to the source of the problem.
And, you know, as I said in the beginning of the show, I believe we should stick with academic science and use it as a tool, not to jump to conclusions.
We know, you know, that space has Organisms and those organisms come to Earth.
Other things that come to Earth also carry organisms.