Stephan Schwartz explains remote viewing as a protocol accessing shared consciousness, citing CIA experiments under Jimmy Carter that pinpointed lost aircraft and meditators in Faraday cages synchronizing brainwaves. Over 4,000 participants since 1978 predicted climate shifts—like the American Southwest’s 115°F heat—by 2050, though he warns intent can alter outcomes, from ecological improvements to potential risks like Ed Dames’ alleged encounter with Lucifer. While remote viewing may reveal abstract events like the Big Bang, its practical use spans lottery predictions (e.g., Russ Targ’s silver market hits) and corporate precognition, yet remains classified globally, suggesting governments exploit it without public disclosure. Schwartz dismisses political claims about Hurricane Francis but underscores its role in probing mass consciousness, where fear pulses—like Mandela’s prematurely reported death—hint at deeper, unexplained connections. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whether you may be in the world's time zones all covered most reliably by this program because Coast Bay Am I Mark Bell.
It's my honor and privilege to be with you throughout the weekend.
The big news is in Florida, of course.
I don't know how many of you have been watching on CNN and the Weather Channel, but it's cool coverage.
It's actually really neat coverage, and it's worth watching right now.
The Eye Wall has passed over land, and the Eye is now just about almost halfway over land in this very slow, very slow moving hurricane.
Now, Massive Hurricane France is trudged, that's the word the AP uses, trudged toward land with 105 mile-an-hour winds.
They've measured more than that, by the way, and pelting rain late Saturday, knocking out power to 2 million people and forcing Floridians to endure a frightening night amid roaring gales, that shredded roofs and uprooted trees, transformers popping like corn, sending sparks into the dark skies, as families huddled in shelters, I'm sure with radios, some of them in bathrooms, hotel lobbies.
It's just incredible what's going on.
I've watched now for days.
I've been watching the Weather Channel.
They really do good coverage of incoming, and it's been spectacular.
Anyway, what I'm hoping to do is I'm going to reserve two telephone lines and see if we can get anybody in the area.
Now, they're the two most logical lines.
And here they are.
I'm looking for people in the Palm Beach area, you know, in the Palms in that area.
And Fort Pierce appears to be taking the brunt of it right now, 100 mile-an-hour winds.
The problem with this hurricane, of course, it reduced itself down to two, but it just virtually stopped right at the coast.
It stopped.
And, of course, the worst thing you could have happen is a hurricane half on land and half in the ocean.
That means it continually gets fed by the warm waters, and the energy is then, and the water, dumped on the land.
And it's just a continuing process.
Once it gets completely on land, it's going to lose a little bit of strength.
But right now, it's whaling on Florida.
And so it's worth a try.
Now, I may not get any calls because all the communications in the area may either be knocked out or non-functioning.
We may be on in Miami.
If we are, then that means that we've got people with transistor radios in the Palms and up in Fort Pierce and the area affected right now that would be able to get through.
But if you're in an area and you've got a cell phone and you can get through to me, I would love to hear from you.
So let's reserve two lines.
The first time caller line, which is area code 702-727-1222.
That's a first-time caller line here.
702-727-1222.
Or our toll-free east of the Rockies line, which is 1-800-825-5033.
I'll give that again.
East of the Rockies, which Florida most assuredly is, 1-800-825-5033.
And we would obviously love to hear from you if you're able to get through from those areas.
Now, my understanding is some cell phone coverage is continuing, and perhaps some telephones are on, or if I can't get to those areas, then maybe the areas adjacent.
At any rate, I would love to hear from you.
I'm not asking anybody like the CNN people or the Weather Channel people who bravely go out and stand in crazy places like right down at the ocean, under palm trees, in some cases out in the open.
I saw the CNN anchors finally move out of the open.
They said, this is getting too dangerous.
You know, pieces of a roof were going by.
And so they finally shifted to a slightly safer location.
But I'm a weather bug.
You know, I always have been.
I used to chase tornadoes.
So we've been watching religiously the weather channel over the last few days.
There are tornado warnings out for Florida, for that portion of Florida, mostly Palm and to the north, where the rain bands are coming in.
And that's where the tornado warnings, indeed they think they've had several, perhaps, already.
Anyway, my admiration goes out.
I used to joke, you know, and wonder who are the ones who get to go right down to the area where the eye wall is going to pass right over lead.
I used to joke about that, but I really don't.
I'm not going to indulge that tonight, although you have to wonder.
I noticed Anderson Cooper, he's right.
They got him right down at Fort Anderson was at Fort Pierce, standing there, sort of, with pieces of a roof going by.
It looked pretty bad.
So the torturous part of this hurricane, being Cat 2, is not that bad.
It's bad, but not that bad.
Nevertheless, if you're kind of huddled somewhere right now, it's terrible.
I mean, it's frightening, and you have every right to be frightened.
2.8, can you imagine this?
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2.8 million people have been evacuated in Florida.
73,000, it is now estimated, in Shelters, and so what a Labor Day weekend it is for them.
And one thing I'm sure they don't want to know is there's another hurricane on the way or potentially on the way.
Out of Africa, she came, and she's probably going to take just about exactly the same path.
Probably the last thing in the world you all want to hear about out there.
Did you know that hurricane names are used again and again until you get a super hurricane or one that really impacts land, does a lot of damage, and then the name, like the baseball jersey number of a baseball player or a football player, they get retired.
So I think France is well on the way to retirement already, never to be used again and always to be remembered.
So once again, let me give you two telephone numbers as we go into break here.
And if we can hear from those of you in the actual areas affected, the Palm areas, maybe Fort Pierce and along the coast in that area, here they are.
First time caller line, area code 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222 or the east of the Rockies line at 1-800-825-5033.
These two telephone lines I wish to reserve exclusively for Florida, area code 702-727-1222 or the East of the Rockies line, only Florida, at 1-800-825-5033.
I'm calling from Huntsville, Alabama, and I have a problem here.
I call the numbers that they give on the radio all night, and I get foreign people calling, and they want my credit card number, and they want all kinds of information from me.
I just walked outside just a couple of minutes ago, and we're getting, I mean, my door on the inside, I'm on a stilt house.
So this stilth house took 140-mile-an-hour winds and stood, so I'm not really worried too much about this one, but it's moving so slow, we're just going to get flooded, you know.
And the people over there in trailer parks, I feel sorry for them.
Yeah, they retire their names, I guess, like baseball players and football players who are stars, and they don't ever use them again.
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Yeah, pretty much the main reason why they do that, I come to find out with the reports and everything in high school about major hurricanes that hit, Hugo being one of them, Opal is also another.
Mainly the reason why they do it is because of the severity of the storm itself.
They don't want to use the name again.
Mainly, you know, bad memories, I guess.
I don't know exactly what the reasoning is, but I do know if it's a severe enough hurricane, this one that's hitting now, Francis, I don't believe will be retired, but I do know.
I've been in a number of South American countries and some Asian countries where, you know, people with submachine guns walking around are a common sight, but they're not a common sight on the average American main street.
That's for damn sure.
And when you see them, it definitely gets your attention.
Well, her prediction is off to a really good start then, isn't it?
Because that's certainly what's occurred this year so far.
And again, there is yet another hurricane out of Africa, a well, I should say, out of Africa right now.
And headed across the Atlantic on a course that mimics the one you just saw Francis take or is taking right now.
But this business of marching right up to land and then stopping, boom, right there and being sort of half on and half off and just does incredible damage.
Even though it's a category two, it's like a tornado that stays over one spot and just digs a hole in the ground.
You know, they're actually talking about it taking days for the eye to make it from one side to the other.
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I could see that this storm could be worse than Charlie in the fact that the rains, if this takes 36 hours, let's say, just to get across the state, the rain that's going to come here, there's no place for this rain to go.
The ground is so saturated, there's nowhere for the water to go.
will continue to take calls from florida in the second half of this hour now that you've gone needles and pins why had you done watching that cloud till you return
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now we begin day after day i see that moon rising i see trouble on the way i see
earthquakes and lightning i see bad times today don't go around tonight but if you finally take your life there's a bad moon on the right i hear hurricanes are blowing i know the end is
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That would be scary to be in an 18-wheeler right in the middle of that.
And, you know, there are a couple of spots.
He was not far from Fort Pierce, a couple of spots there near Fort Pierce, where they'd measured wind already well over 100 miles an hour on the ground.
When people get in trouble, we really do help each other out.
And that will occur now as well.
But, you know, it is my view that we're going to be facing an increasingly violent weather situation, that we're going to be facing increasing numbers of storms that are going to end up on average being larger storms.
Well, whatever it is, it's absolutely awful for Florida, isn't it?
I mean, just to have like a hurricane half on and half off land is.
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My wife called me about 11 o'clock and said that the lights, her electricity, our electricity is off, and a friend of hers that works with my daughter, he lives about three or four or five miles east of where I live, and all the lights are out in that sector.
Well, I hope that people will be careful because when the lights go out, thank you, people begin to use, inevitably, candles.
This is one of those moments where you ought to have one of those new LED flashlights.
So people start using candles, and then, of course, there is the danger of fire, and fire in the middle of something like this is probably really tragic because, A, of the winds, and B, of the fact that the fire department people may not be able to get to you in the middle of this mess.
So it's an amazing hurricane.
absolutely an amazing hurricane as it was going Now, I wonder how many of you saw that.
In the last track, it looks like the hurricane was moving west-northwest and then suddenly went just straight west.
And in she went, I'm told, coming ashore actually right now at New Sea Walls Point, Florida.
Although, I'm also told that the eye of this hurricane is about 70 miles in diameter.
70 miles in diameter.
That's one gigantic eye.
That means there's going to be a very calm period for some.
They should be in that right now, in the eye of the hurricane.
Many of you ought to be in the eye of the hurricane.
It's going to be a very calm period, and you're going to think, aha, the storm has stopped.
But indeed, you're only in the middle of the storm.
So be wary of that, east of the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hello.
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Hi, Art.
This is Donna, and I'm calling from just south of Orlando in Osceola County.
And do you recall, I wonder how many of you recall, not very long ago, months ago, I told you that we were copying a signal on 1420, 1.420 megahertz or 1.42 gigahertz, depending on how you want to think about it.
SETI has, there's a story out that SETI may be receiving a signal on 1420, one that has repeated itself.
Now, they don't have it enough to the point yet where they're willing to declare the fact that they are receiving an alien signal of some sort, and they always admit that it could be some other part of their own device or some terrestrial something, but they don't think so.
The fact is, they have detected a signal as early as February of 2003 on 1420, and that is the exact place where I heard it and where a number of Canadians reported hearing it.
We're waiting for this thing to come across the state.
And supposedly, you know, we don't know exactly where it's going to go, but it looks like it's going to hit us directly or right below us or right above us.
Well, again, it's moving so slowly that even if you have winds that are of the 60 or 70 mile an hour variety and they're constant and they go on for a day and a night, a lot of damage gets done.
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I was going to ask you, you said you're a weather connoisseur.
I was watching the 700 Club, and Sunday morning, or excuse me, Friday morning, this past Friday morning, about 10.55 a.m., Pat was praying that God would do something with this hurricane.
Either send it out into the ocean or do something with it, right?
I hope that the prayer that he was doing had that effect.
And maybe it did.
Who am I to say one way or the other?
However, all of this can be looked at in many different ways.
And, you know, had we done a mass thing with it, which I'm thankful we did not, those would say, well, look, it stopped, and now it's battering the hell out of the East Coast Florida.
And that was an unintended consequence.
Or they might say, well, it went from four to two, and that did it.
But we didn't do it, and it went from four to two anyway.
Maybe it was pass.
All right, coming up, we'll switch gears and talk about something else, for which the rest of the country, I'm sure, is thankful.
I'm Mark Bell.
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morning And the warnings on them beer cans gonna be buried in them landfills.
No deposit, no set, songs, and no return.
Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so until the factory's brought the sun out.
And you're gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
And them lights are gonna be neon, saying fly our jets to paradise.
And the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene.
So listen, Will, my brothers, when you hear the night wind sigh.
And you see the wild ones flying through the great polluted sky.
There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll.
Cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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There won't be no rock and roll When they take away a country They'll take away a soul There won't be no Good morning, everybody.
You all know the big kick I've been on with mass consciousness, and this falls right into that category.
Stephen Schwartz, research associate of Cognitive Sciences Laboratory of the Laboratories for Fundamental Research, is one of the world's experts on the practical applications of remote viewing and other aspects of extraordinary human functioning.
For almost 20 years, he was the research director and chairman of the Mobius Society.
The laboratory carried out research into remote viewing, creativity, therapeutic intent, other areas of human performance.
He is the author and co-author of over 30 technical papers, four books.
I've got them listed here.
Numerous magazine pieces.
He is the editor of the Schwartz Report, an international daily publication.
He is former special assistant for research and analysis to the new chief of naval operations, editor of Sea Power Magazine, staffer of National Geographic Society.
Wow.
He is the founder of the Society for Anthropology of Consciousness, the International Remote Viewing Association, and the International Society for the Study of Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine, and is a member of the Parapsychology Association.
Yes, we're going through, I think, a substantial change in the way we view the world as working.
It's happened before, you know, I mean, in the past, we went through for a number of, up until the 19th century, the Bible was the principal scientific document, and the Genesis meta-paradigm, I guess that's the way to put it, was the principal way of looking at the world, and it's changed.
Although, let it be said that, you know, not everybody changes.
43% of the American public still believes or believes that the world was created 6,000 years ago in six days.
I know.
But we are changing.
I think, particularly in science, there is an emerging new perspective.
Well, actually, to tell you the truth, I have to think about that because, I mean, in a sense, what's emerging is a worldview in which all life is interconnected and interdependent.
And so at a certain level, that is very biblical.
In terms of did the world get created 6,000 years ago?
Well, you know, almost all, although we are now talking about things that are defined by science, I mean, that's the interesting point, is that science and ancient wisdom traditions, science and Buddhism have a great deal to say to one another.
There is within Christianity, as there is in every major tradition, an esoteric, a spiritual pilgrimage path that is different than the sort of outer involvement.
So yes.
Yes, as a matter of fact, within Christianity, there is a mystical tradition and always has been.
Well, I've interviewed a lot of biblical sorts, many of them national leaders in the category, who absolutely believe that dinosaurs and men walked together on the earth.
I think that Christianity is and always has had two tracks.
The Pauline track, on Peter I Found the Church, and the track that is exoteric, that has to do with priests and structures and rules and social values, and the Johannine tradition of Christianity,
which is saying you're Gnostic, your direct experience of God, of the transcendent, however that comes to you, is the purpose of religious life.
Okay, well, I don't want to lose the audience here.
Let's try and explain.
For example, let's see, would it be true that the experiments of having one source of light in two places at the same time is a kind of a parallel?
In other words, you could have an atom in one place and an atom a thousand miles away, and for some reason that we don't understand, they would both behave identically under certain experimental conditions.
Any two particles which have had a period of proximity that come from the same source, were created at the same time, they have a relationship, a kind of memory of each other that is such that if one of them is affected, the other is affected no matter how far apart they are and no matter if they're traveling apart at the speed of light all right and it doesn't matter what
Is there any way of measuring a time factor with regard to this information?
In other words, if particle A here and particle B in Moscow, X number of miles apart, react instantly at the same time, conventional thinking says, well, you know, there's got to be a communication that's going on between particle A and particle B, all those miles away, and we should be able to measure eventually the transmission beginning at point A and ending at point B or the other way around, whichever way it's going.
And these two people sit and meditate, and then they separate them.
That is, they establish a common experience, just like two particles.
And then they take one of them and they monitor, they hook them up to a brain monitor and put them in a Faraday cage so that there can be no transmission, no electromagnetic transmission.
And then they put the other person of the team that was meditating together in another Faraday cage.
And they found that when the brain wave patterns of the person who was being monitored were the same as the person who was the Yeah, which is completely impossible.
And my idea came from looking at research when I was working in the Navy, and I was able to get this submarine, and we put two remote viewers down at the bottom of the, or hanging actually midway in the sea, so they were surrounded by all this seawater.
And we asked them to describe where people were who were randomly told to go in certain places.
And they were able with amazing amount of detail to do so.
And they couldn't, that would not be possible if it was a radio phenomena, because we know exactly how much seawater shields against radio transmission.
And it was created as a thing called Project Sanguine.
In fact, that's why I was able to do this experiment, because the government had spent $125 million figuring out exactly what the penetration rate of extreme low frequency radio frequency was and how deep it would penetrate and how much information you could get across.
And it was, so we had an exact depth, and we knew that if you went past that depth, that the amount of information that it would take to respond accurately to the remote viewing couldn't be gotten through the water in the time allotted.
And we knew that because that was the research that was the basis for creating Project Sanguine, which was the way the Navy spoke with the missile submarines that go down and don't come up again for six months.
And yet, Stephen, there is an information exchange that's occurring.
Doesn't there have to be?
I guess there doesn't have to be, and I guess that's what I've got to reach out and finally understand.
it doesn't have to be but my mind can't grasp that fact i'm thinking out of frequency we don't understand at a in a realm or even a dimension we don't understand this communication is taking place where they may be in from and if you think that the information transfers implies a spatial relationship.
So suppose, just as an analogy, we were all workstations on a kind of cosmic internet.
So you don't have any transfer.
This is an internet that has no dimension.
It's not time or space.
It's just a state of beingness.
I know that's a hand-waving term, but just for want of anything else.
It is a state of beingness in which we all share.
In fact, all life forms from the simplest little single cell all the way up.
Anything that's alive, that's part of what being alive is about.
And there's a lot of experimental evidence for this.
That's what's intriguing about it.
I mean, if you look at experiments that, for instance, have been done, Helmut Schmidt's experiments involving fish or William Broad's experiment involving rollback fish.
Well, Helmut Schmidt is a very interesting physicist.
He's one of the real pioneer researchers in consciousness, I think.
And he designed an experiment in which he had a nuclear isotope that was decaying in what, by definition, is a random way.
And he recorded onto six chips the information of those particle emissions as clicks.
when a uh...
when a particle went off click occurred on the thing and so right if you played it back what you would get would be click click click click click click click click click click So it would be clicks.
And he ran this thing for months and recorded the information on the six chips.
And then he kept one chip and he sent the other five chips off to scientists who were friends and he said, just lock this up and forget about it and don't play it.
Just lock it up.
And then he asked, then he had a computer randomly select out of that long period of time that he had been recording these clicks to select just a particular 30-minute period during all those months.
And he brought people in.
This was some weeks, months later after the clicks had been recorded.
Now, the clicks are in the past.
And he said to the people, I'm going to play this thing for you, and you're going to hear clicks.
And your task is.
And he went over to the computer and he asked the computer, should they make more clicks or less clicks?
The computer had a random number generator that decided that.
It is, and I'm a little like a bulldog with a piece of red meat in my mouth when I get a hold of something like this that fascinates me so dramatically.
Tomorrow night, Robert, make that Rupert Sheldrake.
Sheldrake is the guy who did the experiments with the dogs.
Do you remember that?
Dogs?
Who absolutely, through a precognitive message, I'm reaching here with the word message, or just this common connection with their owners, knew exactly when their owners are coming home.
He did all those experiments.
And he's saying that intuition, precognition, and telepathy are not paranormal, but they're just normal things that human beings are endowed with, but they don't use them.
They don't turn the switch that allows these things to come on.
This great connectivity that we're talking about tonight with Stephen Schwartz is probably the conduit, and even conduit is the wrong name for whatever the hell it is that connects A with B, but it's a powerful force.
Stephen, I discovered or stumbled into all of this that we're now talking about, I guess, back with this incredible series of experiments that I did that proved to me personally, and I think most of the audience who went through it and listened to it on the radio, that this is absolutely real.
This, whatever it is we're talking about right now, it's not BS.
It's real.
It's absolutely real.
And how much we have yet to do, I have a feeling we're just on the very outer fringes of beginning to even discover that it's a real force, it's a real thing.
But understanding it, not yet.
And being able to direct it, I don't think we're quite ready for that yet.
Yeah, I mean, the truth is the remote viewing, what we call remote viewing is a protocol for allowing this sense of awareness that all living organisms have, all people have.
It's a protocol for allowing this to emerge into your conscious mind.
Think of it as a kind of a mental martial art or a kind of mental yoga, yoga for the mind.
I mean, it's perfectly clear that it has all kinds of benefits.
And the reason we don't is that we've made a social judgment, or the current administration has made a social judgment about we are not going to fund that kind of research.
And I think that exactly the same thing happened with remote viewing.
It offended a lot of people's idea of how the world worked.
I mean, if you accept the premise that all consciousness is interlinked and interdependent and that you have the capacity to obtain validatable testable information.
You yourself have had the experience.
You know, the reality is that most people who do this for the first time have a sufficiently positive experience that they want to pursue it.
you are a living example of that well i i may be but the part that i can't read this is There are people who are in the Congress who would see it as satanic.
And would block any research that they found out about on this for the same reason that they would block other kinds of research because of moral social values.
It's present in all cultures, all genders, across all times and all geography.
It's present everywhere.
It is a function.
The earliest recorded remote viewing experiment, which is essentially indistinguishable from a modern-day experiment, was recorded in the 5th century B.C. and involved King Croesus, of whom we derive the term as rich as, who did the first recorded outbound remote viewing experiment.
What I would say is that the portion of witchcraft, the portion, I know people only hear headlines, but let me say it a third time, the portion of witchcraft, which involves the idea that all consciousness is interconnected and interdependent is the part that is correct.
The rest of it is ritual, and you do it for whatever reason you do it.
And that same idea of interconnectedness and interdependence occurs in every spiritual path.
There are all kinds of prayer experiments that demonstrate that you can pray for people even if they don't know you're doing it and you don't know who they are.
All you have is their name.
There are studies.
There's something like Larry Dossi and I compiled about 200 peer-reviewed refereed journal articles on prayer.
There are studies that show, Carol Nash at the University of Pittsburgh, for instance, that show that if you send negative energy to cell colonies, that you will affect them more than a control group that they're compared against.
And if you send positive energy, you will cause them to change compared to a control group.
And the positive change will be more powerful than the negative change, but the negative change will still be significant.
What we discover, what we call therapeutic intent, that is the intent to have a therapeutic effect on the well-being of another via a mechanism that is unknown.
In fact, there have been two major meta-studies of the placebo research, and what they discover is that placebo is about 35, in about 35% of the cases, over all the placebo studies, in about 35% of the cases, the people do as well or better on placebo than they do on the same medication, than on the actual medication.
It means that the person taking the placebo thinks they're going to get better because they think this is good medicine, and so they take it, and by God, they get better.
And there are even surgical placebo studies that show the same result, where they did surgeries, but they, that is, they made the incision, but they didn't actually do anything.
And there are two studies that I can think of right off the top.
That is telling us that our consciousness, how do you know what you don't know anything about how some disease operates in your body?
Nobody does unless they've gone to school and studied it for a long time.
So how do these people know that the medication that they're taking is going to produce a specific kind of results so that they can produce as good or better a result than the people who got the medication?
The answer is, is that consciousness clearly has the capacity to control bodily function down to the cellular level.
I've done four CDs, one of which is a healing experience, very much along the lines of what you're talking about.
It invokes everything that we have learned in the laboratory research.
There's no question that individuals have the capacity to bring about what we would call psychophysical self-regulation, but basically you can help your body by the consciousness that you hold.
And you can also have an effect on other people's consciousness.
And I made these C Ds so that you would actually take people through these experiences because you're quite right.
In a lot of ways, you know, this is going back to the primitive world, Stephen, where, you know, tribes, some old tribes that have been isolated from society somehow have come to know these things and do these rituals.
And here we are sort of rediscovering it in the modern world and just talking a little differently about it.
Science is discovering what ancient spiritual traditions like Buddhism, as an example, have known or Hinduism have known for a thousand years, several thousand years.
I mean, this idea, there are two classes of phenomena, basically.
There is what we can call anomalous perception.
That's anomalous knowing.
We don't know what the mechanism is, but it comes in two parts.
There's sense impressions, that is what is the color taste-touch, or there's just the sense of knowingness.
Only a very few people actually are able to visualize.
And the other phenomena is anomalous perturbation, and that's consciousness having an effect on either a mechanism or another living organism.
And we know from studies that have been done over and over and over again that the consciousness of one person has the capacity to affect the well-being of another.
More than that, there is a reason why all religions have a sense of healing prayer and make it a part of their rituals.
I mean, they do it because over long periods of time, they observed that it made a difference.
We understand dimly and darkly, through a glass darkly, how the complexity of these systems, and if you twiddle with them, you often produce unintended consequences that are as bad or worse than the, you know, because you just don't understand.
So, again, that's why most traditions have an invocation of some kind that it's not my will, but it's not my will but thine.
It's that the great force or the transcendent deity or whatever it is, you know, however you want to express that, the Christ Spirit, whatever, that you surrender to that process, that you're surrendering to the collective.
And they all have that because of that exact problem.
Unintended consequences is a very big deal.
As we see hundreds of times, look at what's going on in the current elections with the 527's funding apparatus.
That all came out of what was supposed to be an attempt to correct the system.
It is, and Beyond the Coast 2, Wandering Skipper, pseudonym in Vancouver PC Rise AR.
Regarding your opinion on mass consciousness experiments, your viewpoint is well-founded, but there's a big flaw in your logic.
How can one understand better without exploration?
Be it you or future Art Bell?
Practical exploration is inevitable.
Yes, yes, I suppose so, but you know, when you're teaching a child about a gun, and it's my personal view that teaching them is better than letting them wonder, you don't let them take it in their hand, point the barrel at their head, and pull the trigger to find out what the mechanism does, right?
You instruct them first.
That's the whole idea.
Get to know it's dangerous, a very dangerous thing that could take your life, and then it's less likely to as one point view and happens to be mine.
So, you know, we'll ask Stephen about all this in just a moment.
I mean, yes, there's going to be more experimentation.
Yeah, well, we spend a lot of time thinking about this small number of people.
And from our point of view, the fundamentalists who want to kill us and destroy our buildings, they would be a group of people with very sharp, strong intent.
You know, if you go to Italy, the people are Italians, I mean, they've been there a long time, and there's a lot of history, and it's a genetic pool of people.
I mean, what makes Germans different than Frenchmen?
It's culture and genetics.
And they come out of deep bases, they come out of tribal things.
America has always been an idea.
The founders created an idea.
And when you come to the United States, you stop being whoever you are.
You know, you could live in Germany for the rest of your life, and if you're Turkish, you are never going to be German.
But if you come to the United States, it doesn't matter who you are.
If you subscribe to the idea, then you're an American.
And that makes a lot of difference.
Plus, there's one other thing.
America is the only country in which one race fought a war against amongst itself, a kind of family feud, literally brother against brother, over the status of another race.
Yes.
That is amazing.
There is no other example of that in history that I know of.
I mean, if you measure their apparent intention against even, well, say the Nazis, for example, I judge this to be even stronger than the Nazis, the level of intent of people who will blow themselves up and so forth and so on.
This is a group of people the like of which we have not seen for a very long time and have never Seen previously on an international scale where the principal weapon is people who, women who are willing to blow themselves up.
And, you know, if you look at it in terms of just as a war, I mean, 19 guys and $500,000 were able to bring the largest power on earth to its knees in many ways.
I mean, it has altered our lives in thousands of ways, great and small.
I think by attacking, we set up a recruitment program that we're going to have to pay a big price to dismantle.
Our strength is to be people of absolute integrity who do what they say and say what they do, but who look at the source of this problem is not killing, endlessly killing terrorists in some Orwellian war that has no end.
The answer to this is to produce cultures, to help the nurturing of cultures that will make people choose differently.
You know, if you look at one thing, just look at population.
What we now see from 15 years ago is that the greatest, most powerful contraceptive in the world is an educated woman.
As you educate women, they choose to have fewer children.
And it happens whether it's in a rich country or in a poor country like Bangladesh.
So that tells us something.
That's a data point.
If we emphasize the things which are the greatness of our idea.
We can do this by emphasizing the things which are life-affirming and that work with liberty and self-empowerment of individuals and groups, which is the core.
You know, the thing that the Tocqueville said when he came here in the 1830s was, Americans are a people who have an absolutely committed belief in the fact that human beings can make their lot better.
You should expect to see, in an average remote viewing, just sort of over a period of time, you should expect to see about 75 to 85 percent of the material be evaluated as correct or partially correct.
It is possible under controlled conditions to produce a 95 percent probability of accuracy.
Well, I was going to say, I've had remote viewers on the program who say, look, Art, with a trained remote viewing crew, that means, you know, six or eight remote viewers who are really good.
When they get a certain percentage of agreement among the remote viewers, they put it in the high 90s.
Some claim 100% that they just flat can't be wrong past a certain point.
It's certainly not maybe an individual thing, but what I would say, and I'm willing to back this up with published papers, I mean, anybody that's interested can go up to my website and get them.
If they said that would be, that's one sentence, but it's man sitting microphone ball.
That's like four concepts.
And so if each of those concepts is evaluated as correct, partially correct, incorrect, can't be evaluated, we expected to see of the part that could be evaluated, there's a certain percentage you just can't evaluate, but of the part that could be evaluated, we expected it to be between 75 and 85 percent accurate.
Well, let me tell you, I've been doing this for almost 30 years now.
Actually, for 30 years.
And I have used the remote viewing and compared it against side scan sonar and magnetometers and satellite photographs and all kinds of other electronic remote sensing.
And I will tell you, and I am prepared to back it up.
And again, you can go get the papers.
I mean, this is all written down.
It's all witnessed by dozens of people.
It's all, you know, blah, blah, blah.
That if I had only one way to go look for something, I would use remote viewing.
I would actually think a dead body was probably harder to locate than a living being, although if it died in a situation of extreme violence where there was a kind of powerful transmutation of energy, then it would probably be easier to see.
Hurricane Francis at this hour is 27.2 north, 80.4 west.
It's about 25 miles east of Okeechobee in Florida, 105 mile-an-hour winds.
It continues to have 105 mile-an-hour winds moving west-northwest at all of 8 miles an hour.
That's it.
Pressure is now 2835 inches or 960 millibars, and the terror continues in Florida.
in a moment will continue the terror right here I love it.
I know this hurricane is just ripping the East Coast apart, and people say, well, then why not intend for it to go fast across the state of Florida?
Just zoom right across.
It won't do so much damage.
Oh, yeah, very tempting.
Only, once again, when you toy around with things of this magnitude, you have no way of knowing.
Maybe it would go tearing across Florida and then get out into the Gulf and stop dead and build like you know what and then slam into Louisiana or something awful like that.
So again, you just don't know the forces that you're tampering with when you apply concentration.
If you don't know how to apply it, you just don't know what the result is going to be.
Now, with respect to remote viewing, I've got a hard question for you, Stephen.
Have you ever remote viewed, and if not, would you, the manner of your own death?
I'm not personally interested in knowing that because I think it would, whatever the answer, whether it was right or wrong, it might bias choices that I would make, and I would rather make the choices on their own merits, without any countervailing bias.
And I'm not sure that you would get accurate information because it's such a numinous event for you that I'm not sure you would get.
Well, my follow-up question would have been, I'm on your side.
I don't want to know the manner of my own death.
I just don't want to know.
But it begs the question, if you could do it, and or maybe one of your fellow remote viewers being more dispassionate about, say, your death, could view it successfully.
If that could be done, and it was relatively accurate, Stephen, then could you conceivably take steps to alter that occurrence?
I mean, just make sure that instead of being in Cincinnati, where you're supposed to die, you get on an airplane.
You get on an airplane.
Yeah, you get on an airplane and go to South Africa.
And examples of that are Edgar Casey endlessly talking about things happening to California that didn't happen in the timeframe.
And I think the reason was that the consciousness changed over a period of time.
it's all about consciousness because consciousness is the principal reality the rest of it is you know is is manifestation or if you're well I think the consciousness of the state changed.
There was an awareness amongst a certain number of people about this, and they made different choices ecologically.
Yeah, I mean, it says, yes, many of these elements are as a result of human activity.
Well, if you had different human activity, that's why once you get this point of view, you make different political choices because we have the capacity, we certainly have the money, to create an alternative to petroleum energy.
We are like junkies.
We are junkies.
We're not like junkies.
We are a junkie as a nation, and we're dealing with dealers, and they even look like dealers.
I mean, they drive around in flashy cars and wear a lot of gold and have scantily clad women, you know, by the dozen.
It's like we go into a bad neighborhood and we get this guy who's got the fancy suit and the gold thing, and we're getting our fix.
It's just exactly the same kind of addictive behavior played out at the national level that you would see in an individual.
Well, even though we seem to have some level of consciousness now in the U.S. about energy, nevertheless, we continue, as you point out, like a junkie, to use it uncontrollably now.
Absolutely.
So where are we headed here with regard to climate change?
Okay, well, I mean, I will tell you that in 1978, they started talking about AIDS.
They didn't call it AIDS.
They said there's this blood disease that crosses over from primates, and it comes out of Africa, and it spreads all over the earth and kills tens of thousands of millions of people.
And at the time, I thought, what in the world is this?
And I took it to a friend of mine who was the deputy director of cardiovascular research at NIH, and I said to him, what is this?
And this was in 1979, I think.
And he said, I have no clue.
And, of course, several years later, AIDS began, 81, whatever it was, began to emerge.
And it has allowed, and there's also been another generation of information revolutions so that it's possible to transmit enormous quantities of information.
Well, that's interesting because that was sort of the contention in Global Superstorm, that there is a threshold point, a virtual kind of switch, as you point out, and that when you pass a certain point, events escalate exponentially.
Yeah, I mean, the business of when the world ocean, the conveyor that moves the energy around, the temperature around, this whole world ocean, you think of it as one ocean, the breakdown of this pump is going to produce tremendous changes all over.
Europe is going to be radically different.
This weather thing is very serious, and it's why hundreds of Nobel laureates and leading scientists who have studied this, I mean, the people who have taken the time to master the subject to the degree that we have mastery of it, all have a point of view.
The only people that don't are a few guys who get most of their funding out of the energy industry.
Even the Bush administration has reversed itself now.
Well, the one positive thing that you said about 2050 was it's obvious that there's been some kind of energy revolution.
Do you have any idea, any idea at all, can you describe what might have happened?
Do you see clearly enough what might have occurred to give us an idea of where it's going to occur?
where what's going to occur this this revolution in energy in other words some new source apparently is just how i have an aspect question or harness that sure would be cool to know what See, I started out with this thing.
I mean, I didn't know what they were going to say.
Actually, at that point when I started this experiment, I had been a futurist.
I'd just come off of the MIT Secretary of Defense discussion group on innovation, technology, and the future.
So I had been reading all of the stuff.
And if you remember back, the general take was we were going to have this vast overpopulation problem, and we were going to run out of natural resources.
and in fact there was a very famous bet between two two guys who got a thousand dollars one being an ecologist in the other and it hasn't worked at all out i mean we now know for instance that overpopulation The 20-50 remote viewers, I asked them all, is it overpopulated?
Actually, what we now know is that the sustainable birth rate, 2.1 children per fertile couple, 1.85 by some models, you have to have that sustainable rate in order to create a population which gets bigger slightly because more people come in than go out.
And the truth is that all European countries, none of them have a sustainable birth rate.
The United States only has a sustainable birth rate because of its immigration.
Even the Islamic countries, which have had birth rates of 5.6, that kind of huge numbers, have fallen way back.
Yes, I do think the population is significantly reduced.
Based on the 2050 remote viewings, population gets reduced in part because of catastrophic events which occur in a number of countries and because of drought.
Well, roughly speaking, roughly, roughly, the southern states are going to become kind of tropical, and the central states are going to become roughly like Florida is now.
And the northern states are going to become like the moderate central states are now.
We're going to, within our lifetime, see the Northwest Passage, which has never in recorded history been opened, open up.
That's at least the latest research That I saw that the fabled passage that Columbus and everybody were looking for, a way to get across the top of the world to get to the other side, which of course didn't exist, they think it's going to open up because of the melting of the ice.
Well, there was a kind of mini-ice age in the 1750s, earlier, 1712, 1750.
In fact, the Battle of Valley, Washington keeping the army at Valley Forge, part of what made it difficult was that that took place during what's called the mini-ice age, where things got real cold again, which is why if you look at paintings from that period, you see, for instance, the canals of Holland iced over and people ice skating on them.
But that's not going to happen now.
We're going the other direction.
And then it's going to get cold.
And it's going to happen.
Lots of these changes are going to happen in the lifetime of a person in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.
Even people in their 60s and 70s are going to see significant amounts of change.
I mean, we're already seeing it.
Look at what happened last year in Europe.
15,000 people died in Paris because they don't have any air conditioning.
The city was never planned to require air conditioning.
To be honest with you, I'd have to think about whether it would be possible to get good information or whether, because there are such strong beliefs about him as an energy force or as a being, that I'm not sure whether they would just get the sort of the cliché images.
How much would you want to know about the world of 2050?
Stephen Schwartz is my guest.
And by the way, we always do this for every guest.
I mean, he has been a wonderful guy to interview, very lively, by the way.
And he's got a number of books and a DVD, and I thought we should tell you about them.
Because obviously, if you have enjoyed this and you want to read about all of this in great detail and perhaps even want to learn how to do it, then he's written books like Mind Rover, Explorations with Remote Viewing, Remote Viewing Through Time and Space, The Alexandria Project.
By the way, that was the DVD, Remote Viewing Through Time and Space.
We'll get back to that.
The Alexandria Project?
The Secret Vaults of Time, Remote Viewing, the Modern Mental Martial Art.
But the DVD is, by its good title, Through Time and Space.
And it is instantly through time and space.
They don't exist.
Time and space, in a realm in which you remote view, do not exist, right, Stephen?
And let me say one thing about the DVDs, because these are really worth saying.
It's worth stopping for a second.
Last year before I did your show, in fact, I did it just before then, every year the Schwartz Report, which is my daily web publication, does a conference.
And last year I did it on remote viewing.
This year it's on the physics of consciousness, new models of reality, and the mystery of non-locality.
And it's a wonderful conference.
And you can click on your website, Coast to Coast, and it'll take you there.
So I won't say anything about that.
But I want to say something about these DVDs because I'm really happy about these.
I filmed this conference.
I got all of the founders of remote viewing, all the guys that started it, Hal Putoff, Russ Targ, myself, Jim Spottiswood, Ingo Swan, and all the guys that had done the Army program.
Not all of them, but many of them, the ones who were the commanding officers.
I will tell you, this course will never happen again.
This group of people is very unlikely we'll ever all speak together from the same podium.
Russell Targ, for instance, talks about Buddhism and its relationship with remote viewing and physics, and it's fascinating.
Dale Graft, who was the contract monitor, the Air Force contract and CIA contract monitor, who was part of the, ran the SRI, was their contact and then also in the Army program, was the commander of the Army program, talks about remote viewing in dreams.
He's the only guy I know that has done much on this.
It can truly be said of this material that every single person speaking is the best person in the world on his subject.
There is a remote viewing CD that takes you through all the different protocols, gives you all of the how to get the local sidereal time effect, how to get the geomagnetic field strength, when to do your experiments, how to do them.
And then it's as if you came into my laboratory and I interviewed you as if you were a remote viewer.
he did and i'm claimed that he found lucifer as a legitimate and real entity and was a force so gigantic and so purely evil That at one point Ed said this entity recognized the fact that he was associating with it and it scared the you-know-what out of him.
And there are many people who feel since that encounter Ed Dames has never been quite the same, a fact he would deny adamantly, but there are many of us who think that it may have changed him in some way.
How would you know whether you had encountered a thought form or an actual being?
A thought form being a kind of archetypal force created by the focused intended awareness of hundreds of thousands or millions of people?
So how would you know whether you were dealing with a real being or simply the but either way, contacting that energy would definitely not be good for one's mental health.
So I would agree with you.
Okay.
Whether it's an actual being or simply a collection of intentioned awareness, either way, contacting something that's that negative may not be good for you.
Yes, Arthur Kessler thought that there had been an intervention.
In fact, he wrote in Janus, a book he wrote some years back, he argued that the greatest focus we should make on medical research was getting the high brain to talk to the mammalian and reptilian brains.
And that this resulted because there was a manipulation and intervention.
You know, it's possible.
I mean, it is possible.
There is no way to refute that.
You can't prove a negative.
So it is possible that that's true.
Have we ever been contacted?
You know, it strikes me as awfully pompous to believe you're the only species in the universe.
I'm not sure whether you would get very useful information because somebody would say, well, it goes from infinitely small to I'm not sure how helpful what you would get would be.
Yeah, hurricanes massive like this are terribly damaging.
Yeah, I've considered it.
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Well, my thought on that was that considering the Republican Party has a lot of wealth in it, I'm thinking that this storm will damage more Democrats in Florida and could affect the outcome of the election.
That is, the dream that you have on Tuesday is created and driven by the experience you're going to have on Wednesday because the Wednesday experience is so numinous, it's sufficiently powerful that it leaks back into your dream life of the previous day.
So you have a precognitive dream or you have a deja vu experience.
That is, you have the sense that you've had this experience before.
So I think deja vu is a way, I hope I don't get misunderstood here, but it's kind of like dowsing.
It's a sort of over, it's a kind of hand-waving word that may cover several different kinds of phenomena.
Well here, I'll take you on a walk off the cliff on this one, buddy.
We've had the experience.
Well, this extends that question.
We've had the experience on this program, a mass experience.
I had hundreds of emails, Stephen, when it was suggested that, hey, you know, Nelson Mandela, a lot of people thought Nelson Mandela died.
Oh, but he didn't.
Nelson Mandela was released from prison, went on to lead his country.
Yeah, of course.
But millions of people, if it's suggested by hundreds of emails on a program like this, also thought Nelson Mandela died.
It's like they had one memory fixed in their head about some weird, alternate reality that either happened or almost happened or that we were taken away from in another bubble, in another universe, or something where some other time.
Well, we had some caller who said, Nelson Mandela is dead, right?
And at the time, maybe I said, oh, yeah, I think I heard that too or something.
And somehow it began, and a lot of people had the same thought.
And one possibility being considered about this mass, whatever it is, misthought is that in some other reality, it did work out that way, and Nelson Mandela died.
And a lot of people sort of vaguely remember that in some weird way in another timeline, if you're following me.
I mean, I've forgotten what the name of this, which senator stood up, but he stood up and made this sort of eulogy for him, and then people began to report it.
And, of course, he wasn't dead at all.
It's like who's it, Thurber?
No, Mark Twain.
Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Well, as for our friends in Florida, who are indeed this morning, riders on the storm, a lot of them hunched over in a deep, dark place within their house, listening to it all howl out there, it really is quite frightening.
From the high desert in the middle of the darkness, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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I didn't need my guest, Stephen Schwartz, and it's always a pleasure to have a guest sufficiently of a resilient sort so that you can pummel them hard with questions and they come up with really good answers.
Stephen is a remote viewer, and we've been hitting him with the hard ones.
And then you can takes about 45 minutes or an hour.
It's an experience, and you can do it, and other people can do it, and then there's a form you can get that you fill in, and then you can share whatever your experience was.
It has a common set of questions.
And then it gives you places where you can expand on those questions, sort of like an essay, you can write cool things.
If remote viewing is possible, as we are having this conversation right now, could you remote view me talking to you, and the next time you're on the show, you could describe me and my surroundings?
So I've done a lot of remote viewing, and so yes, the answer is yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, my performance as a remote viewer, I would not let the whole issue stand or fall on that.
If you are a skeptic, not that I'm not backing away from your thing, I'll do it.
But if you're interested in looking at it, I really encourage you to look at a study that was done by Jessica Utz that's published in Statistical Science.
In fact, if you send me an email, I will send you a list of papers that have been published in journals like Nature and IEEE that you may take a look at.
I'm just wondering this infamous question to remote viewers of, you know, can you remote view the upcoming Powerball lottery, you know, and win yourself millions of dollars.
don't like mental powers in casinos at all i mean even though is that i mean all they're doing is there is counting what's visually available and have indelibly impressing it in their memory and then using it and not apparently changed money Just enough.
Which is absolutely not something the casinos allow.
Las Vegas has the running, the management of Las Vegas at whatever level you imagine it to be managed has changed over the years.
Changed.
West of the Rockies, you're on there with Stephen Schwartz.
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Yeah, I was listening to this thing.
He was talking about being in Vegas when I was in Reno.
Somebody gave me a quarter because ordinarily I don't gamble.
And so I just went over and put one in the machine.
That machine opened up by one knot, and that machine had wandered around.
I had three machines.
And after that, nothing.
But at any event, my problem is I wanted to ask him back before remote, that I'd hear it about remote viewing, I used to, I started with a subject that I would put under hypnosis and regressed her previous lives, stuff like that.
And then I began to get into, I guess what you would call, remote viewing.
But I didn't know for sure how well she was doing this, so I put her off into, I wanted to find out what could she, really something that I knew existed somewhere, but she didn't.
Most people, the reason remote viewing continues to grow is that just like this gentleman who called in, most people who try it, whatever form they do it with, the first time have a sufficiently positive effect that it demonstrates its reality to them and they pursue it.
That's why I say it's like a modern mental martial art.
I think I've not asked that question to the 20-50 viewers, but I would say based on what's going on, we're never going to get to a place where everybody does it because it takes a certain amount of discipline.
And there are a lot of people that, you know, that just don't develop the discipline.
But I believe that not just remote viewing, but the whole idea that the consciousness of what I said earlier, there are two classes of phenomena.
There's anomalous perception and anomalous perturbation.
Everything comes under those two categories.
And I think in the future, for instance, in the medical sciences, we're going to increasingly appreciate that the consciousness of the people who look after patients has an effect on their well-being over the long haul, and that it's sufficiently, it's a small effect, but it's sufficiently large that it makes a big financial difference.
I mean, if you think about people who've been prayed for, these studies, these prayer studies.
But what I was going to say was that in these prayer studies, what it shows is that they have lower days of hospitalization.
That's one of the universals across all the studies.
Well, if you could eliminate every patient who checked into a hospital, if you could eliminate one day in the hospital, think of the billions of dollars that would save.
Because if you remember when the Patriot Act came out, you want to protest, you'd have little Granny down the street complaining that somebody's watching her.
Yes, it is because I think that, you know, number one, two, really, it would be irresistible for the CIA not to use this, but they blew it wide open and said, well, we did, but we're not anymore.
Then like everything else in the world, Stephen, would you say that the successful remote viewers in America and the world are the world's movers, shakers, rich people, and powerful people?
The people who are the best remote viewers as a group are accomplished people who have had successful careers in other fields and whose primary self-definition is not that they are remote viewers.
If you had talked to Hella Hammond, for instance, who was one of the best, she would have said she was a fine arts photographer.
If you had talked to Judith Orloff, who's been on your show, she would tell you she was a psychiatrist.
If you talked to Michael Crichton, he would say to you, you know, I'm a writer-director.
But all of those people are very good remote viewers.
And my experience has been, and the remote viewers that I worked with, that I've had the best results with, were people who were confident, comfortable in their own skin.
They had achieved some measure of professional and financial success.
And they took this up either as part of a spiritual quest or as a desire to have a broader understanding of the outer limits of human function.
Well, then, by extension, Stephen, Are the people out there with the psychic IQ of a brick generally the poorest, most downtrodden, unlucky, unknown people in the world?
Well, you can train yourself to suppress psychic functioning.
Engineers do it.
Studies show, for instance, that engineering students have less creativity at the end of their educational process than at the beginning, based on measures of creativity.
And the answer is, yes, they are both forms of anomalous perception.
The difference is that an out-of-body experience is where the whole locus of your awareness moves outside of your physical body.
And one of the components of that is that you turn around and see yourself, what's called otoscopy.
And actual out-of-body experiences don't happen very often, but they must happen enough that there is a whole literature and they appear in the pilgrimage stories of almost every spiritual path.
Doing is a much more, it's much more like daydreaming.
And it's a way of touching the signal under normal circumstances with no trances, no drugs, no special equipment.