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Sept. 4, 2004 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whether you may be in the world's time zones all covered most reliably by this program because Coast Bay Am I Mark Bell.
		It's my honor and privilege to be with you throughout the weekend.
		The big news is in Florida, of course.
		I don't know how many of you have been watching on CNN and the Weather Channel, but it's cool coverage.
		It's actually really neat coverage, and it's worth watching right now.
		The Eye Wall has passed over land, and the Eye is now just about almost halfway over land in this very slow, very slow moving hurricane.
		Now, Massive Hurricane France is trudged, that's the word the AP uses, trudged toward land with 105 mile-an-hour winds.
		They've measured more than that, by the way, and pelting rain late Saturday, knocking out power to 2 million people and forcing Floridians to endure a frightening night amid roaring gales, that shredded roofs and uprooted trees, transformers popping like corn, sending sparks into the dark skies, as families huddled in shelters, I'm sure with radios, some of them in bathrooms, hotel lobbies.
		It's just incredible what's going on.
		I've watched now for days.
		I've been watching the Weather Channel.
		They really do good coverage of incoming, and it's been spectacular.
		Anyway, what I'm hoping to do is I'm going to reserve two telephone lines and see if we can get anybody in the area.
		Now, they're the two most logical lines.
		And here they are.
		I'm looking for people in the Palm Beach area, you know, in the Palms in that area.
		And Fort Pierce appears to be taking the brunt of it right now, 100 mile-an-hour winds.
		The problem with this hurricane, of course, it reduced itself down to two, but it just virtually stopped right at the coast.
		It stopped.
		And, of course, the worst thing you could have happen is a hurricane half on land and half in the ocean.
		That means it continually gets fed by the warm waters, and the energy is then, and the water, dumped on the land.
		And it's just a continuing process.
		Once it gets completely on land, it's going to lose a little bit of strength.
		But right now, it's whaling on Florida.
		And so it's worth a try.
		Now, I may not get any calls because all the communications in the area may either be knocked out or non-functioning.
		We may be on in Miami.
		If we are, then that means that we've got people with transistor radios in the Palms and up in Fort Pierce and the area affected right now that would be able to get through.
		But if you're in an area and you've got a cell phone and you can get through to me, I would love to hear from you.
		So let's reserve two lines.
		The first time caller line, which is area code 702-727-1222.
		That's a first-time caller line here.
		702-727-1222.
		Or our toll-free east of the Rockies line, which is 1-800-825-5033.
		I'll give that again.
		East of the Rockies, which Florida most assuredly is, 1-800-825-5033.
		And we would obviously love to hear from you if you're able to get through from those areas.
		Now, my understanding is some cell phone coverage is continuing, and perhaps some telephones are on, or if I can't get to those areas, then maybe the areas adjacent.
		At any rate, I would love to hear from you.
		I'm not asking anybody like the CNN people or the Weather Channel people who bravely go out and stand in crazy places like right down at the ocean, under palm trees, in some cases out in the open.
		I saw the CNN anchors finally move out of the open.
		They said, this is getting too dangerous.
		You know, pieces of a roof were going by.
		And so they finally shifted to a slightly safer location.
		But I'm a weather bug.
		You know, I always have been.
		I used to chase tornadoes.
		So we've been watching religiously the weather channel over the last few days.
		There are tornado warnings out for Florida, for that portion of Florida, mostly Palm and to the north, where the rain bands are coming in.
		And that's where the tornado warnings, indeed they think they've had several, perhaps, already.
		Anyway, my admiration goes out.
		I used to joke, you know, and wonder who are the ones who get to go right down to the area where the eye wall is going to pass right over lead.
		I used to joke about that, but I really don't.
		I'm not going to indulge that tonight, although you have to wonder.
		I noticed Anderson Cooper, he's right.
		They got him right down at Fort Anderson was at Fort Pierce, standing there, sort of, with pieces of a roof going by.
		It looked pretty bad.
		So the torturous part of this hurricane, being Cat 2, is not that bad.
		It's bad, but not that bad.
		Nevertheless, if you're kind of huddled somewhere right now, it's terrible.
		I mean, it's frightening, and you have every right to be frightened.
		2.8, can you imagine this?
unidentified		2.8 million people have been evacuated in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2.8 million people.
		My God, that's a lot of people.
		Out of their homes.
		73,000, it is now estimated, in Shelters, and so what a Labor Day weekend it is for them.
		And one thing I'm sure they don't want to know is there's another hurricane on the way or potentially on the way.
		Out of Africa, she came, and she's probably going to take just about exactly the same path.
		Probably the last thing in the world you all want to hear about out there.
		Did you know that hurricane names are used again and again until you get a super hurricane or one that really impacts land, does a lot of damage, and then the name, like the baseball jersey number of a baseball player or a football player, they get retired.
		So I think France is well on the way to retirement already, never to be used again and always to be remembered.
		So once again, let me give you two telephone numbers as we go into break here.
		And if we can hear from those of you in the actual areas affected, the Palm areas, maybe Fort Pierce and along the coast in that area, here they are.
		First time caller line, area code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222 or the east of the Rockies line at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		We'll try and take you there in a moment.
unidentified		We'll try and take you there in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Once again, Florida on those lines and Florida only.
		So everybody, please cooperate out there.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, first time caller and second time survivor, hopefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Second time survivor, where are you?
unidentified		In Lakeland, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lakeland, Florida.
		And what's happening in Lakeland?
		And where is that with respect to the Palms, for example?
unidentified		Actually, it's pretty much right in the middle of Florida between Orlando and Tampa.
		But all of the feeder bands are coming in now.
		And we were just hit, you know, like three weeks ago.
		I know.
		And the same, we're getting hits from the opposite direction now.
		You know, and it's like a double hit.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are your winds at the moment?
unidentified		Gust's about 65.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Oh, that's honking.
		That's kind of scary, and especially scary at night, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it always has to happen at night, you know.
unidentified		And it's like you don't want to go to sleep because you want to keep an eye on the trees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you going to stay awake until it starts calming down a little bit, or what are your plans?
unidentified		Short sleeps, probably intervals.
unidentified		Listening to you and then watching the local news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They're doing a pretty good job.
		Were you evacuated there?
unidentified		For mobile homes, we have, you know, it's not mandatory, but, you know, if you're in a mobile home, you should get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen some of the video from the mobile home parks even earlier today before the sun went down in Florida and they were getting ripped up.
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah, just we last the last one, Charlie, we were like, if Charlie was 20 miles to the west, we would have been destroyed.
		You know?
		I mean, you see the devastation from what it did with all the trailer parts and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		It knocked down a water tower, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, that's some wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's some wind.
		Well, I wish you luck in this one.
		And I hate to break it to you, but there's another one out there in the Atlantic beginning right now already.
unidentified		And it's like taking the same path.
unidentified		So this is going to be a weekly event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every weekly event.
		Every other week.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Take care.
		All right.
		We're going to be exploring on the phone lines.
		And again, let me emphasize this one more time.
		These two telephone lines I wish to reserve exclusively for Florida, area code 702-727-1222 or the East of the Rockies line, only Florida, at 1-800-825-5033.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Are you there?
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		I'm calling from Huntsville, Alabama, and I have a problem here.
		I call the numbers that they give on the radio all night, and I get foreign people calling, and they want my credit card number, and they want all kinds of information from me.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are they calling you?
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are they calling you?
unidentified		I was calling the numbers that were given on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The coast-to-coast numbers.
unidentified		By George, yeah.
		Yes.
		The 88727-5505 and the help number.
		And both of them have, it sounds like Oriental passes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it's 5033, so you have the number wrong.
		1-800-8255-033.
		And that's the number you just finally did get through to.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, I'm calling for my family who is in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I appreciate that, sir, but we're only taking calls from Florida on these numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Florida calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Florida are you?
unidentified		I'm in Ponegora, the one that got hit by the last hurricane, directly across from where this one's going to hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I'm quite aware of where you are, and I know that you really got clobbered in the last one.
unidentified		I was out of power for like eight days, and now this one's coming.
		I know they got another one they say coming.
		I've been watching the weather channel religiously, just like you too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I know that it's on the East Coast, but this damn thing is the size of Texas.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so it's going to get to you before I'm done with the East Coast.
unidentified		it reminds me of Bertha.
		I've been surfing for about 15 years, so I'm kind of an amateur weatherman, you know.
		And I've got to say it's good to talk to you too, Art.
		I've been a big fan for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad to have you, and I wish you luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have any of the feeder bands begun to reach you?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I just walked outside just a couple of minutes ago, and we're getting, I mean, my door on the inside, I'm on a stilt house.
		So this stilth house took 140-mile-an-hour winds and stood, so I'm not really worried too much about this one, but it's moving so slow, we're just going to get flooded, you know.
		And the people over there in trailer parks, I feel sorry for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		All right, let's put a Gorda where they got clobbered.
		That was ground zero for the last one.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, are you in Florida?
unidentified		Fort Myers, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fort Myers, huh?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, all right.
		So what's up right now in Fort Myers?
unidentified		Well, pretty much wing guts are a little bit up.
unidentified		I just was also noticing how you were talking about how retired hurricanes, I actually was in Andrew not once, but even twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they retire their names, I guess, like baseball players and football players who are stars, and they don't ever use them again.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much the main reason why they do that, I come to find out with the reports and everything in high school about major hurricanes that hit, Hugo being one of them, Opal is also another.
		Mainly the reason why they do it is because of the severity of the storm itself.
		They don't want to use the name again.
		Mainly, you know, bad memories, I guess.
		I don't know exactly what the reasoning is, but I do know if it's a severe enough hurricane, this one that's hitting now, Francis, I don't believe will be retired, but I do know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm betting it is.
unidentified		It might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not because of how severe it was when it hit land, but because of how god-forsakingly slow it's moving.
unidentified		It's moving, yeah, it's unreal.
		I've never seen something like this.
		Like I said, I've been a long-time Florida resident.
		Craziness, Andrew, it hit me twice.
		I was in Fort Myers, Florida.
		It came through the whole south part of Florida.
		We got hit by him about 150 to 180-mile wind gust.
		It was horrible.
		And then not even two days later, I go up to Fort Long Beach, Florida, back where my mother lived to visit her.
		And sure enough, it comes right on the northwest panhandle, hits us again.
		So I think Hurricane Zona had too much of luck.
		Also, I was in Fort Myers during Hurricane Charlie just not even two and a half weeks ago.
		One thing a lot of people don't realize is that it gets crazy during those times.
		People, I guess, lose all sense of reality.
		They had looting going on in downtown Fort Myers.
		They had, believe it or not, bringing National Guard direct traffic within 16s.
		I mean, people, I guess, just lose their mind out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That alone is a sight to see.
		I've been in a number of South American countries and some Asian countries where, you know, people with submachine guns walking around are a common sight, but they're not a common sight on the average American main street.
		That's for damn sure.
		And when you see them, it definitely gets your attention.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		American main street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Okay, well, I guess not.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Hey, this is Dave.
		I'm calling from Dave City, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Right now, we're getting a lot of high winds.
unidentified		We're on the east coast, basically, about 30 miles north of Tampa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And we're feeling a lot of squalls and bad storms out here.
unidentified		I can only imagine what they're getting over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to get a lot worse there before it gets better.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm surprised there's not really a whole lot of coverage on it, as big as this thing is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there certainly is on the Weather Channel and CNN.
		They're in just about constant coverage.
		And from what I could see, CNN has their people in the more perilous places at the moment, if I were to judge.
unidentified		Yeah, also, I think it was George maybe who had Sylvia Brown on a month or so back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She had a prediction about Florida being hammered by hurricanes one after another for like the next 10 years, I think she said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10 years?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was worried about the next couple of weeks, but 10 years?
unidentified		Yeah, one right after another, horrible hurricane season.
unidentified		So basically, Florida's incapacitated to like a big wasteland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, her prediction is off to a really good start then, isn't it?
		Because that's certainly what's occurred this year so far.
		And again, there is yet another hurricane out of Africa, a well, I should say, out of Africa right now.
		And headed across the Atlantic on a course that mimics the one you just saw Francis take or is taking right now.
		But this business of marching right up to land and then stopping, boom, right there and being sort of half on and half off and just does incredible damage.
		Even though it's a category two, it's like a tornado that stays over one spot and just digs a hole in the ground.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		All right, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Fort Myers right now, actually driving in my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're driving?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm actually driving.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you supposed to be doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought they had a curfew.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what.
		I am a fellow broadcaster here in town.
		And first of all, I've got to just tell you how much I respect you.
		You just do a fantastic job.
		But I'm actually driving back from my job.
		And right now, I will tell you, it's been very eerie today because earlier in the day, the sun was out.
		There were some clouds.
		There wasn't a lot of breeze.
		It wasn't so bad.
		The thing about this storm that's so different from everything else that's been happening, Charlie, is the fact that today everything was so calm.
		Right now, everybody in town has just been saying how nobody knows what's going on because it's lingering for so long.
		You don't know what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		And then it gets late at night, it gets dark, and it really gets scary.
		If you're sitting at home alone, it's scary.
unidentified		And right now, the winds are starting to pick up.
		The rain's starting to come in.
		You get those, In Florida, you get those, you get like low clouds.
		You get very low clouds that move fast.
		You get the higher clouds that sit up.
		And you can see the low clouds moving, the ones that are sort of the bands that come across.
		And the winds are coming in from the north.
		So you know if the winds are coming from the north, that we're on the west coast of Florida, then that means where the storm is seems to be above us.
		So it's, and it's, it's not, it's just the time that it's taking for this to happen.
		People are just waiting for something to go on.
		They're waiting.
		Charlie came so quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this one's so slow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's torture.
unidentified		It is.
		It's unbelievable.
		And right now, it's sort of agonizing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, they're actually talking about it taking days for the eye to make it from one side to the other.
unidentified		I could see that this storm could be worse than Charlie in the fact that the rains, if this takes 36 hours, let's say, just to get across the state, the rain that's going to come here, there's no place for this rain to go.
		The ground is so saturated, there's nowhere for the water to go.
		I really don't know what's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, buddy, I got to go.
		We're out of time.
		Thank you very much.
		will continue to take calls from florida in the second half of this hour now that you've gone needles and pins why had you done watching that cloud till you return
unidentified		now we begin day after day i see that moon rising i see trouble on the way i see
		earthquakes and lightning i see bad times today don't go around tonight but if you finally take your life there's a bad moon on the right i hear hurricanes are blowing i know the end is
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is, as of 1 a.m. or about 35 minutes ago or so.
		The Hurricane Charlie was at 27.2 north and 80.2 west near Seawalls Point, Florida.
		So it's actually coming ashore at that point.
		Seawalls Point, Florida, with winds of 105 miles an hour, moving west-northwest at 7 miles an hour.
		Pressure is 2835, an estimated 960 millibars.
		And this baby is moving slowly.
		Remember, we're reserving the first-time caller line east of the Rockies for people in Florida only.
		Trying to get a taste of what's going on.
		more of that in a moment.
unidentified		Screams The End
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's get right back to it if we can.
		First-time caller line east of the Rockies reserved for people in the zone, the zone of wind and rain, and frankly, Hurricane Francis.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
unidentified		I'm going to listen from 610WIOD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping that WIOD would carry the program for this exact reason because I know it covers up in that area very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we are on the air there.
unidentified		Cool.
unidentified		Well, actually, tonight I have to listen to another area station online because they're doing all the weather programming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought they might be doing that.
		All right.
		So what's up where you are?
unidentified		Well, right now we're getting a lot of wind and a lot of rain.
		I mean, we're just outside of that real bad area.
		Like, I'm just a little bit south of West Palm Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, so you're close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you must be getting a lot of the rain bands as they come swinging around.
unidentified		Well, they're saying anywhere between 12.30 and 2 o'clock, and it's almost 2 o'clock now, so we should be getting a real bad one anytime now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's when they're predicting the very worst of it is going to occur?
unidentified		Yeah, from my area, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're choosing, I take it then, to stay awake through this.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, definitely.
		I'm a night person anyway.
		I listen to your show almost every single night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you couldn't go, like, crawl into bed and just ignore this, could you?
unidentified		No way.
		There's too much noise.
		There's some like, like, um, metal, metal framing around the outside of my house, and it's rattling like hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, you don't go to sleep during that.
unidentified		It's really hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, I really appreciate that.
		Do you have power there now, by the way?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Power here is fine.
		And it's weird because we have the above-ground power lines, and you would think that they'd go first.
		And my sister lives about 20 minutes north of where I'm at, and she's got the underground lines.
		Right.
		And she's lost power since 11 o'clock this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		So it's funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And not funny at the same time.
		If you lose power in Florida, you're in a very humid, well, dark right now and kind of scary environment.
		I mean, you've got to put yourself, you can only put yourself in the shoes of the people that we're hearing.
		I mean, this thing is raging around you in the middle of the night.
		It's what, going on 2 o'clock in the morning in Florida.
		And that's really frightening.
		It's a frightening situation.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I'm over here by 95 by Palm City over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		You're right.
		You're in about the worst place you can be, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Yeah, they got the traffic stopped now.
		I had to deliver down here in Rivera Beach a trailer load of water down there.
		I guess they needed some water down there for the shelters over there.
		But they told me to get out of there.
		But now they got the whole, everything stopped.
		The wind's blowing.
		I don't know what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're in a truck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in an 18-wheeler.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm pulled over.
		Now they got the whole traffic stuff over here by Highway 609.
		I'm over here off of 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell me, is there any concern on your part?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're not broadside to the wind, are you?
unidentified		Well, yeah, I'm kind of sideways, but everybody else is all over the road, so it's not too bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure exactly what it would take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess if a truck like yours is empty and you're broadside to the wind, I wonder what kind of wind it takes to actually tip over a truck like that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		You see them all the time tipped over on 60, 70 mile-an-hour winds.
		It's blowing pretty good over here now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's easily going to get to that or even worse where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you at all worried about getting tipped over?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to do my best to get over here to this rest area and put my butt to the wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, put your butt to the wind is right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so in other words, all traffic now is stopped.
unidentified		Yeah, all traffic stopped.
		They got lights going out here.
		Everybody's running around.
		They don't know what's going on over here.
		It's crazy.
		I guess it's just somewhere about some seawall point or something that's coming in.
		And I got to get north.
		I got to get going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, where are you headed?
		And where are you coming from?
		And where are you going?
unidentified		I've delivered down there in Rivera Beach.
		I'm going up there to Jacksonville now.
		It's just to get out of here.
		They told me I could probably make it, but I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so either.
		It's going to be a long wait in the night for you, I'm afraid.
		Well, all right, get yourself then in a safe place behind that truck stop if you can.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Butt to the wind.
		All right, thank you very much.
		That would be scary to be in an 18-wheeler right in the middle of that.
		And, you know, there are a couple of spots.
		He was not far from Fort Pierce, a couple of spots there near Fort Pierce, where they'd measured wind already well over 100 miles an hour on the ground.
		So, yeah, that'd be really, really frightening.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in North Sarasota, in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Florida.
		Okay, welcome.
		How is it where you are?
unidentified		We're okay here right now.
		I wanted to grab this opportunity.
		I was just looking forward to your program this weekend because it's comforting.
		And I thought, well, Art Bell will be on Saturday night and Sunday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks that way, yes.
unidentified		Right.
		But I wanted to take this opportunity to thank the nation.
		After Charlie, I was one of many volunteers in a farming community called Arcadia, which was just totally devastated by Charlie.
		Yes.
		And the nation responded with their heart.
		And we had all kinds of bottled water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		America is a, thank you, very generous place.
		When people get in trouble, we really do help each other out.
		And that will occur now as well.
		But, you know, it is my view that we're going to be facing an increasingly violent weather situation, that we're going to be facing increasing numbers of storms that are going to end up on average being larger storms.
		You know my views on the weather.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, hi, Art.
		Wow, I'm on my way down to the hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're what?
unidentified		We're on our way.
unidentified		There's a hurricane party at Hope Sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a hurricane party?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're actually traveling to the hurricane to have a party?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm also as a Long Cron fan, and we're going to film a video while the hurricane is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are, huh?
		Yes, sir.
		So it's part-time filming, part-time partying?
unidentified		Yeah, a little bit of both.
unidentified		A little bit of business and pleasure, same time there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been stories, you know, of people deciding to party through a hurricane that haven't made out so well.
unidentified		Yes, I've lost two or three friends over the years.
unidentified		Every year we follow the hurricanes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You lost two or three of your fellow partiers?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's very sad.
		But some of us do wonder why people would choose to have a party in a hurricane.
		Well, it's out of curiosity.
unidentified		That's basically being face to face with the power of nature, God, all of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess there is that in human beings.
		I would not choose.
		Well, you know, that's really a lie.
		I would.
		I really would.
		I used to chase tornadoes, and so there is, I do understand his insanity.
		Now, going to have a party in a hurricane, I'm sorry.
		It is, in my mind, insanity.
		However, I share in some of that insanity, not to the degree of partying In a very large, dangerous, potentially even deadly storm.
		However, I am fascinated by the weather.
		I always have been.
		I used to chase tornadoes, and we all know only crazy people really do that, right?
		Right.
		So I guess I do under.
		I was prepared to be shocked by what he said, but I guess I'm not, really.
		There's something about something very attractive about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in St. Augustine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		St. Augustine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		We have sustained winds now here at 45 miles an hour, and by the time I get off, it will probably be up into the 60s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of sustained wind.
		That's really a lot of sustained wind.
		And, you know, if something doesn't happen.
unidentified		I don't know if you can hear it or not.
		I'm in a little guard shack here.
		It's just a little 7x7 shack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you're going to have to do during the hurricane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to stand in a little shack?
unidentified		Well, yes, I'm a security officer, and I'm here at a marina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I heard some slamming in the background.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that might not be the best job in the world to have right now, being alone in a little tiny shack in the middle of that.
unidentified		Well, I've got to come back.
		This is Sunday now.
		I've got to come back at 8 o'clock tonight, and it will probably be raining cats and dogs for my shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would think there's that definite possibility, sir.
unidentified		The reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your shack going to stay where it is?
unidentified		It has.
		I've been through three or four blows with up to 70 and 80 mile-an-hour winds in this little shack.
		The reason that hurricane stalled, we got a high pressure up over Georgia and another one coming right down behind it, and that's why it stalled.
		And that's what's forcing it across the state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Well, whatever it is, it's absolutely awful for Florida, isn't it?
		I mean, just to have like a hurricane half on and half off land is.
unidentified		My wife called me about 11 o'clock and said that the lights, her electricity, our electricity is off, and a friend of hers that works with my daughter, he lives about three or four or five miles east of where I live, and all the lights are out in that sector.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope that people will be careful because when the lights go out, thank you, people begin to use, inevitably, candles.
		This is one of those moments where you ought to have one of those new LED flashlights.
		So people start using candles, and then, of course, there is the danger of fire, and fire in the middle of something like this is probably really tragic because, A, of the winds, and B, of the fact that the fire department people may not be able to get to you in the middle of this mess.
		So it's an amazing hurricane.
		absolutely an amazing hurricane as it was going Now, I wonder how many of you saw that.
		In the last track, it looks like the hurricane was moving west-northwest and then suddenly went just straight west.
		And in she went, I'm told, coming ashore actually right now at New Sea Walls Point, Florida.
		Although, I'm also told that the eye of this hurricane is about 70 miles in diameter.
		70 miles in diameter.
		That's one gigantic eye.
		That means there's going to be a very calm period for some.
		They should be in that right now, in the eye of the hurricane.
		Many of you ought to be in the eye of the hurricane.
		It's going to be a very calm period, and you're going to think, aha, the storm has stopped.
		But indeed, you're only in the middle of the storm.
		So be wary of that, east of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Donna, and I'm calling from just south of Orlando in Osceola County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		Orlando is like a ghost town right now.
		It's awfully strange here.
		I'm about, I'm actually on Disney property, and I live in a little town called Celebration, and it's actually on the edge of Disney property.
		And we had an imposed curfew here at 2 o'clock, and no one's been able to go anywhere.
		But the odd thing is, is that the wind and the rain are not significant at this point, and we've been sort of waiting for this for two days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And everyone is, I think, letting their guards down.
		I'm seeing a lot of people just really not thinking that it's coming at all.
		And I'm just hearing on the radio that we're the next counties that it's heading toward Polk and Osceola County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my wife's brother, Rodney, is in the Orlando area.
		So we get regular reports from him.
		And, of course, the last hurricane didn't treat y'all so well there.
unidentified		It didn't treat us real nice.
unidentified		No, it wasn't real friendly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here comes another one.
unidentified		Here comes another one.
unidentified		And strike three right behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And strike three right behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are people in Florida beginning to go, hey, this is, you know, this is not such a good year, is it?
unidentified		You know, it's so odd because a lot of people are, some of them that lived in a town called Kissimmee, they were hit probably the hardest.
		The high school there, the roof of the school was peeled back like a sardine can, and the school is just basically in ruins right now.
		They're trying to struggle and figure out what to do with that.
		The kids have missed a lot of school, and they're trying to figure out how to make that up.
		And yeah, a lot of them were all kind of walking around like deer caught in someone's headlights right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I absolutely appreciate your calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thank you for it.
unidentified		Well, it's been a real pleasure listening to you over the years, too.
unidentified		So keep up the good work until George, we all said hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care and be safe there.
unidentified		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Fort Worth, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were kind of reserving this away for Florida, sir.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I didn't hear that.
		I was wanting to ask you about the E.T. contact Paul Harvey talks about Thursday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Did you hear anything about that?
		Oh, yeah.
		So, I certainly have.
		All right.
		Very briefly, thank you for asking.
		Yes, of course I've heard about it.
		And do you recall, I wonder how many of you recall, not very long ago, months ago, I told you that we were copying a signal on 1420, 1.420 megahertz or 1.42 gigahertz, depending on how you want to think about it.
		SETI has, there's a story out that SETI may be receiving a signal on 1420, one that has repeated itself.
		Now, they don't have it enough to the point yet where they're willing to declare the fact that they are receiving an alien signal of some sort, and they always admit that it could be some other part of their own device or some terrestrial something, but they don't think so.
		The fact is, they have detected a signal as early as February of 2003 on 1420, and that is the exact place where I heard it and where a number of Canadians reported hearing it.
		So it's a fascinating situation.
		Could we be in contact?
		Are we in contact?
		Well, I don't know, but maybe.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Lark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I live in Clearwater, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearwater.
		All right.
		How's everything going in Clearwater?
unidentified		Right.
		We're waiting for this thing to come across the state.
		And supposedly, you know, we don't know exactly where it's going to go, but it looks like it's going to hit us directly or right below us or right above us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, it's moving so slowly that even if you have winds that are of the 60 or 70 mile an hour variety and they're constant and they go on for a day and a night, a lot of damage gets done.
unidentified		I was going to ask you, you said you're a weather connoisseur.
unidentified		You like to watch the weather channel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm pretty weird with the weather.
unidentified		Did you know when it went from a category 4 to a category 2?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was watching the 700 Club, and Sunday morning, or excuse me, Friday morning, this past Friday morning, about 10.55 a.m., Pat was praying that God would do something with this hurricane.
unidentified		Either send it out into the ocean or do something with it, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, it went from the category 4 to category 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope, you know what?
		I hope that the prayer that he was doing had that effect.
		And maybe it did.
		Who am I to say one way or the other?
		However, all of this can be looked at in many different ways.
		And, you know, had we done a mass thing with it, which I'm thankful we did not, those would say, well, look, it stopped, and now it's battering the hell out of the East Coast Florida.
		And that was an unintended consequence.
		Or they might say, well, it went from four to two, and that did it.
		But we didn't do it, and it went from four to two anyway.
		Maybe it was pass.
		All right, coming up, we'll switch gears and talk about something else, for which the rest of the country, I'm sure, is thankful.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		morning And the warnings on them beer cans gonna be buried in them landfills.
		No deposit, no set, songs, and no return.
		Yeah, it's only gonna take about a minute or so until the factory's brought the sun out.
		And you're gonna have to turn your lights on just to see.
		And them lights are gonna be neon, saying fly our jets to paradise.
		And the whole damn world's gonna be made of styrene.
		So listen, Will, my brothers, when you hear the night wind sigh.
		And you see the wild ones flying through the great polluted sky.
		There won't be no country music, there won't be no rock and roll.
		Cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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		There won't be no rock and roll When they take away a country They'll take away a soul There won't be no Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Martell.
		We've been covering the hurricane for the last hour, and a bad one it is, just barely crawling across Florida.
		Coming up in a moment, remote viewing and a bit of a twist with Stephen Schwartz.
		right where you are.
unidentified		Dramatic Music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You all know the big kick I've been on with mass consciousness, and this falls right into that category.
		Stephen Schwartz, research associate of Cognitive Sciences Laboratory of the Laboratories for Fundamental Research, is one of the world's experts on the practical applications of remote viewing and other aspects of extraordinary human functioning.
		For almost 20 years, he was the research director and chairman of the Mobius Society.
		The laboratory carried out research into remote viewing, creativity, therapeutic intent, other areas of human performance.
		He is the author and co-author of over 30 technical papers, four books.
		I've got them listed here.
		Numerous magazine pieces.
		He is the editor of the Schwartz Report, an international daily publication.
		He is former special assistant for research and analysis to the new chief of naval operations, editor of Sea Power Magazine, staffer of National Geographic Society.
		Wow.
		He is the founder of the Society for Anthropology of Consciousness, the International Remote Viewing Association, and the International Society for the Study of Subtle Energies and Energy Medicine, and is a member of the Parapsychology Association.
		That's quite a list, Stephen.
		Welcome to the program.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really is a pretty good list there.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm getting older.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, aren't we all?
		All right.
		I guess the interesting place to begin is, actually, a lot of times I take the notes here and I just, you know, toss them away.
		But I like this.
		Something is happening in science, it says.
		We have scientists on all the time here.
		And as I listen to them, it's clear something is beginning to change in science.
		It's become extremely obvious to me.
		The world is beginning to look a little different.
		And I guess that's a focal point for you, too.
		In other words, you realize we have this monstrous change on hand, huh?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we're going through, I think, a substantial change in the way we view the world as working.
		It's happened before, you know, I mean, in the past, we went through for a number of, up until the 19th century, the Bible was the principal scientific document, and the Genesis meta-paradigm, I guess that's the way to put it, was the principal way of looking at the world, and it's changed.
		Although, let it be said that, you know, not everybody changes.
		43% of the American public still believes or believes that the world was created 6,000 years ago in six days.
		I know.
		But we are changing.
		I think, particularly in science, there is an emerging new perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this emerging new perspective directly in opposition to, oh, for example, Genesis, since you mentioned that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it sounds like a yes, and you don't want to say it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, to tell you the truth, I have to think about that because, I mean, in a sense, what's emerging is a worldview in which all life is interconnected and interdependent.
		And so at a certain level, that is very biblical.
		In terms of did the world get created 6,000 years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but it's not specifically biblical, really.
unidentified		Not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's sort of just maybe biblical in scale, but not biblical in a literal sense.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, almost all, although we are now talking about things that are defined by science, I mean, that's the interesting point, is that science and ancient wisdom traditions, science and Buddhism have a great deal to say to one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about science and Christianity?
		Do they talk a lot?
		No, I don't think so.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Actually, let me read.
		No.
		There is within Christianity, as there is in every major tradition, an esoteric, a spiritual pilgrimage path that is different than the sort of outer involvement.
		So yes.
		Yes, as a matter of fact, within Christianity, there is a mystical tradition and always has been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've interviewed a lot of biblical sorts, many of them national leaders in the category, who absolutely believe that dinosaurs and men walked together on the earth.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's astonishing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's a form of willful decision to reject evidence, however compelling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've always had it.
		The earth is flat, right?
		Until it was made to be known to be round beyond all shadow of any doubt whatsoever.
		Nobody actually fell off the earth, despite rumors at the time.
		They didn't do it.
		So I don't know.
		Does this mean that what do you think it ultimately means for Christianity, Stephen?
		Does it mean that we have to have some wild interpretation of Genesis so that we can live with both science and what's written in the Bible?
		Or how's it all going to settle out?
		Does Christianity have to, in effect, be rewritten?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think that Christianity is and always has had two tracks.
		The Pauline track, on Peter I Found the Church, and the track that is exoteric, that has to do with priests and structures and rules and social values, and the Johannine tradition of Christianity,
		which is saying you're Gnostic, your direct experience of God, of the transcendent, however that comes to you, is the purpose of religious life.
		And those two tracts have always existed.
		They've always been present in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think they will continue?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it'll be rewritten to accommodate what we know?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		No, I think we are experiencing a rise of fundamentalism throughout the world.
		It's not just Islamic fundamentalism.
		I mean, they're not all the same.
		I'm not equating them.
		But fundamentalism as a factor in the social structure of countries is a presence in a way that anybody who's over the age of 40 can remember.
		When you were a younger man, there was not, fundamentalism was not a factor in the world in the way that it is today.
		And it is a factor in countries of all persuasions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is biblical in proportion, certainly, is stumbling into this mass consciousness incredible field that science is now uncovering.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just astounding what's going on and what may be ahead that we just don't even have clues about.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're beginning to get, as I say, this sense that all consciousness is interlinked and interdependent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is this that non-locality that everybody talks about?
		Is that what you're talking about?
		Non-locality.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		So non-locality means It was called Can Quantum Mechanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete?
		And it was really talking about subatomic particles.
		I mean, it's talking about things at a very small scale.
		But what's interesting is that today, increasingly, that explanation at the quantum level not only explains, but predicts the outcome of experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I don't want to lose the audience here.
		Let's try and explain.
		For example, let's see, would it be true that the experiments of having one source of light in two places at the same time is a kind of a parallel?
		In other words, you could have an atom in one place and an atom a thousand miles away, and for some reason that we don't understand, they would both behave identically under certain experimental conditions.
		Is that true?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, here's the headline.
		Any two particles which have had a period of proximity that come from the same source, were created at the same time, they have a relationship, a kind of memory of each other that is such that if one of them is affected, the other is affected no matter how far apart they are and no matter if they're traveling apart at the speed of light all right and it doesn't matter what
		Distance doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, got it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And that's exactly what we see, for instance, in remote viewing experiments.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Distance doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way of measuring a time factor with regard to this information?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if particle A here and particle B in Moscow, X number of miles apart, react instantly at the same time, conventional thinking says, well, you know, there's got to be a communication that's going on between particle A and particle B, all those miles away, and we should be able to measure eventually the transmission beginning at point A and ending at point B or the other way around, whichever way it's going.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But it's not a transmission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's not a being.
		Exactly right.
		It's not a transmission.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Information is not being transmitted.
		It has to do with the state of being-ness of the thing.
		It's what Einstein calls spooky action at a distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the state of beingness.
		Now, that's a little difficult to grasp, but just the fact that these two things are interconnected and they both are being, they're both happening.
		So it's happening.
		This mysterious connectivity that we can't explain, right?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Let me see if I can.
		There is a very famous experiment, and it's called, oh, it's got such a strange name.
		Well, I can't think of the name of the researchers, but let me go past that and describe the experiment.
		It's an experiment in which two people sit and meditate together.
		And they meditate for about 20 minutes and, you know, period.
		And this was published.
		It's called, ah, I have it.
		The Grindberg Zeil Burbom.
		Zeilbert bomb?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no wonder.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, it was published in a physics journal.
		And these two people sit and meditate, and then they separate them.
		That is, they establish a common experience, just like two particles.
		And then they take one of them and they monitor, they hook them up to a brain monitor and put them in a Faraday cage so that there can be no transmission, no electromagnetic transmission.
		And then they put the other person of the team that was meditating together in another Faraday cage.
		And they found that when the brain wave patterns of the person who was being monitored were the same as the person who was the Yeah, which is completely impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a Faraday cage, folks, blocks all RF, blocks all radio frequency.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		All electromagnetic radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever kind of radiation.
		But, you know, Stephen, maybe they don't have the right kind of cage.
		I mean, that's the block radiation that man knows about.
		And maybe the radiation...
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I agree with you.
		that's it's not happening at the Right.
		Years ago, I did a submarine experiment with, and I asked Russ Targ and Hal Putoff, who were at SRI, and Ingo Swan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I heard about this.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And my idea came from looking at research when I was working in the Navy, and I was able to get this submarine, and we put two remote viewers down at the bottom of the, or hanging actually midway in the sea, so they were surrounded by all this seawater.
		And we asked them to describe where people were who were randomly told to go in certain places.
		And they were able with amazing amount of detail to do so.
		And they couldn't, that would not be possible if it was a radio phenomena, because we know exactly how much seawater shields against radio transmission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But not that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we also know, I mean, let's roll over this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are antennas in the Midwest that are able to transmit submarines deep underwater at an extremely low baud rate.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's called ELF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And it was created as a thing called Project Sanguine.
		In fact, that's why I was able to do this experiment, because the government had spent $125 million figuring out exactly what the penetration rate of extreme low frequency radio frequency was and how deep it would penetrate and how much information you could get across.
		And it was, so we had an exact depth, and we knew that if you went past that depth, that the amount of information that it would take to respond accurately to the remote viewing couldn't be gotten through the water in the time allotted.
		And we knew that because that was the research that was the basis for creating Project Sanguine, which was the way the Navy spoke with the missile submarines that go down and don't come up again for six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet, Stephen, there is an information exchange that's occurring.
		Doesn't there have to be?
		I guess there doesn't have to be, and I guess that's what I've got to reach out and finally understand.
		it doesn't have to be but my mind can't grasp that fact i'm thinking out of frequency we don't understand at a in a realm or even a dimension we don't understand this communication is taking place where they may be in from and if you think that the information transfers implies a spatial relationship.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
		Suppose we're all workstations on the cosmic internet.
		I mean, you're sitting at your computer in Perump.
		Well, then I'm going to be able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And fine, we're going to exchange information at the speed of light.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So suppose, just as an analogy, we were all workstations on a kind of cosmic internet.
		So you don't have any transfer.
		This is an internet that has no dimension.
		It's not time or space.
		It's just a state of beingness.
		I know that's a hand-waving term, but just for want of anything else.
		It is a state of beingness in which we all share.
		In fact, all life forms from the simplest little single cell all the way up.
		Anything that's alive, that's part of what being alive is about.
		And there's a lot of experimental evidence for this.
		That's what's intriguing about it.
		I mean, if you look at experiments that, for instance, have been done, Helmut Schmidt's experiments involving fish or William Broad's experiment involving rollback fish.
		Well, Helmut Schmidt is a very interesting physicist.
		He's one of the real pioneer researchers in consciousness, I think.
		And he designed an experiment in which he had a nuclear isotope that was decaying in what, by definition, is a random way.
		And he recorded onto six chips the information of those particle emissions as clicks.
		when a uh...
		when a particle went off click occurred on the thing and so right if you played it back what you would get would be click click click click click click click click click click So it would be clicks.
		And he ran this thing for months and recorded the information on the six chips.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And then he kept one chip and he sent the other five chips off to scientists who were friends and he said, just lock this up and forget about it and don't play it.
		Just lock it up.
		And then he asked, then he had a computer randomly select out of that long period of time that he had been recording these clicks to select just a particular 30-minute period during all those months.
		And he brought people in.
		This was some weeks, months later after the clicks had been recorded.
		Now, the clicks are in the past.
		And he said to the people, I'm going to play this thing for you, and you're going to hear clicks.
		And your task is.
		And he went over to the computer and he asked the computer, should they make more clicks or less clicks?
		The computer had a random number generator that decided that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, we're coming up on a break.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and so they said, make more clicks.
unidentified		And they found out people could do it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And at first they thought, well, maybe it's just that they're sort of psychokinetically affecting the chip that he's working on.
		So if that were true, then if you got the other five chips, then they would sound different.
		So he went and got the other five chips and played them, and they sounded just like the first chip.
		Therefore, it was not psychokinetic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it was a connection we cannot explain.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I'm a little like a bulldog with a piece of red meat in my mouth when I get a hold of something like this that fascinates me so dramatically.
		Tomorrow night, Robert, make that Rupert Sheldrake.
		Sheldrake is the guy who did the experiments with the dogs.
		Do you remember that?
		Dogs?
		Who absolutely, through a precognitive message, I'm reaching here with the word message, or just this common connection with their owners, knew exactly when their owners are coming home.
		He did all those experiments.
		And he's saying that intuition, precognition, and telepathy are not paranormal, but they're just normal things that human beings are endowed with, but they don't use them.
		They don't turn the switch that allows these things to come on.
		This great connectivity that we're talking about tonight with Stephen Schwartz is probably the conduit, and even conduit is the wrong name for whatever the hell it is that connects A with B, but it's a powerful force.
		Believe me, it's a powerful force.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stephen, I discovered or stumbled into all of this that we're now talking about, I guess, back with this incredible series of experiments that I did that proved to me personally, and I think most of the audience who went through it and listened to it on the radio, that this is absolutely real.
		This, whatever it is we're talking about right now, it's not BS.
		It's real.
		It's absolutely real.
		And how much we have yet to do, I have a feeling we're just on the very outer fringes of beginning to even discover that it's a real force, it's a real thing.
		But understanding it, not yet.
		And being able to direct it, I don't think we're quite ready for that yet.
		But maybe you feel differently, do you?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think that remote viewing has gone from an obscure laboratory protocol into a social movement.
		There's now, you know, just do a Google.
		I mean, there's like 140,000 websites that come up on a remote, do, quote, remote viewing, end quote.
		It's amazing.
		And I started following this in September of 1991.
		There were about 30,000 sites, and I thought that was pretty amazing.
		It's been growing at the rate of about 3,000 a month.
		And it's up to like 140,000, 150,000 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We all know the CIA, you know, and the guys in government had this locked behind closed doors for about 20 years.
		Now it's been out in the public for quite a while.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's always been, you know, the truth is, Art, that it's always been out there.
		I started doing, at the same time as SRI, I started Mobius and we did, I wouldn't do classified research.
		That's just a personal decision.
unidentified		I don't make any judgment about anybody.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Because I thought that anything that involved human consciousness that you discovered ought to be shared with everybody.
		And it ought to just be out there and not worry about.
		But I understand the difference.
		I was using it to locate archaeological sites.
		They were using it for intelligence work.
		And that has had the unintended or perhaps unforeseen consequence that it's made it attractive to a lot of men.
		Remote viewing attracts as many men as women, which is extremely unusual in a sort of extraordinary human function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something I don't understand, Steve.
		Let's see if you can break it down for me.
		If remote viewing...
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		The government stopped a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I'm told.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They did, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, if it really worked, at the time there were some who said it was stopped because it wasn't effective.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jimmy Carter, you know, they asked Jimmy Carter, what was the most amazing thing that you saw when you were president?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And his answer was to describe a remote viewing experiment in which they located a downed aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did he say that?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You know, I could get you this.
		I will get you if you like, and you can post it the citation for that.
		It's in an interview that he was asking in an interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is an amazing quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I frankly didn't know he said that.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the truth is the remote viewing, what we call remote viewing is a protocol for allowing this sense of awareness that all living organisms have, all people have.
		It's a protocol for allowing this to emerge into your conscious mind.
		Think of it as a kind of a mental martial art or a kind of mental yoga, yoga for the mind.
		That's really what remote viewing is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the Dummerman had it for 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it effective or was it not effective?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It was effective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it was effective, then I find a hard time believing the CIA would kick it out the door.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't we do stem cell research?
		I mean, it's perfectly clear that it has all kinds of benefits.
		And the reason we don't is that we've made a social judgment, or the current administration has made a social judgment about we are not going to fund that kind of research.
		And I think that exactly the same thing happened with remote viewing.
		It offended a lot of people's idea of how the world worked.
		It's very scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you think about it, wait a minute, Stephen.
		Stem cell research, which you mentioned, offends people because to some people it means taking a life.
		They believe that's a life those stem cells are taken from.
		Now, in the case of where is the equivalent for remote viewing?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They are both social judgments.
		You make evaluations.
		Is there some other compelling reason why we should not do this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but is it fear-based?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're afraid of remote viewing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, remote viewing is fear-based.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, because it means that there are no secrets.
		Think about it.
		I mean, if you accept the premise that all consciousness is interlinked and interdependent and that you have the capacity to obtain validatable testable information.
		You yourself have had the experience.
		You know, the reality is that most people who do this for the first time have a sufficiently positive experience that they want to pursue it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you are a living example of that well i i may be but the part that i can't read this is There are people who are in the Congress who would see it as satanic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Satanic?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And would block any research that they found out about on this for the same reason that they would block other kinds of research because of moral social values.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can take a bite out of that one.
		Okay, so some view it as satanic.
		You're quite right.
		I've had people on this program or even people of the cloth who have suggested it might be satanic.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's all nonsense.
		It's a natural part of being alive.
		It's present in all cultures, all genders, across all times and all geography.
		It's present everywhere.
		It is a function.
		The earliest recorded remote viewing experiment, which is essentially indistinguishable from a modern-day experiment, was recorded in the 5th century B.C. and involved King Croesus, of whom we derive the term as rich as, who did the first recorded outbound remote viewing experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I had a witch here right now, Stephen, a witch would say exactly the same thing.
		She would say, Art, witchcraft is as old as man.
		Witchcraft is as natural as the wind and the sun and the earth.
		It's nothing but the what.
unidentified		Would you agree with that with regard to witchcraft?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		No.
		What I would say is that the portion of witchcraft, the portion, I know people only hear headlines, but let me say it a third time, the portion of witchcraft, which involves the idea that all consciousness is interconnected and interdependent is the part that is correct.
		The rest of it is ritual, and you do it for whatever reason you do it.
		And that same idea of interconnectedness and interdependence occurs in every spiritual path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they believe that, Stephen, and the ritual represents the intent.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's how you make the contact.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		We develop rituals that give us permission to open ourselves up to this channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, here.
		You're right.
		But where I was going is that it might be that witchcraft is real.
		In other words, if there is that kind of mind ability and there's the intent to get something done or have something done to somebody, it can work.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		We have experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know it works.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		There are all kinds of prayer experiments that demonstrate that you can pray for people even if they don't know you're doing it and you don't know who they are.
		All you have is their name.
		There are studies.
		There's something like Larry Dossi and I compiled about 200 peer-reviewed refereed journal articles on prayer.
		There are studies that show, Carol Nash at the University of Pittsburgh, for instance, that show that if you send negative energy to cell colonies, that you will affect them more than a control group that they're compared against.
		And if you send positive energy, you will cause them to change compared to a control group.
		And the positive change will be more powerful than the negative change, but the negative change will still be significant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, you are, Stephen.
		So, hmm.
		Let's think about this then.
		Witchcraft is real.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Witchcraft is a ritualized way of making contact with this aspect of the self.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You could also do it with Buddhic meditation or Sufi dancing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you said prayer is real, right?
		It works.
		Absolutely.
		But here's the $64 million statement.
		Prayer, sincere intent directed, works whether God's name is used or not.
		That's correct.
		Okay, well, that's satanic.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		No, well, I mean, it's satanic if you're a fundamentalist, I suppose, in a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		What we discover, what we call therapeutic intent, that is the intent to have a therapeutic effect on the well-being of another via a mechanism that is unknown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by that very same mechanism, people can make themselves well or sick and die.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		In fact, there have been two major meta-studies of the placebo research, and what they discover is that placebo is about 35, in about 35% of the cases, over all the placebo studies, in about 35% of the cases, the people do as well or better on placebo than they do on the same medication, than on the actual medication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all it means is, it's like voodoo.
		It means that the person taking the placebo thinks they're going to get better because they think this is good medicine, and so they take it, and by God, they get better.
		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And there are even surgical placebo studies that show the same result, where they did surgeries, but they, that is, they made the incision, but they didn't actually do anything.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And there are two studies that I can think of right off the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's really nasty.
unidentified		You mean a human experimentation committee today?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, they did do it.
		One was for angina pectoris.
		You know, they did a ligation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean where they just cut the person open and then the person knows what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sew them up and don't do a damn thing and they get better.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Just like any placebo.
		And what is that telling us?
		That is telling us that our consciousness, how do you know what you don't know anything about how some disease operates in your body?
		Nobody does unless they've gone to school and studied it for a long time.
		So how do these people know that the medication that they're taking is going to produce a specific kind of results so that they can produce as good or better a result than the people who got the medication?
		The answer is, is that consciousness clearly has the capacity to control bodily function down to the cellular level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's something that one of my guests told me once, Stephen, that I've been practicing, and I think it has value.
		You close your eyes and you imagine white light washing down on you and purifying you from head to toe.
		You force your imagination and cleansing your body and getting rid of whatever it is that ought not be there, whatever.
		I think that stuff works, and I actually use that.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so do I. I have made four CDs.
		Anybody who wants them can go to my website.
		I've done four CDs, one of which is a healing experience, very much along the lines of what you're talking about.
		It invokes everything that we have learned in the laboratory research.
		There's no question that individuals have the capacity to bring about what we would call psychophysical self-regulation, but basically you can help your body by the consciousness that you hold.
		And you can also have an effect on other people's consciousness.
		And I made these C Ds so that you would actually take people through these experiences because you're quite right.
		I use them too.
		And they work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most importantly.
		In a lot of ways, you know, this is going back to the primitive world, Stephen, where, you know, tribes, some old tribes that have been isolated from society somehow have come to know these things and do these rituals.
		And here we are sort of rediscovering it in the modern world and just talking a little differently about it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly right.
		Science is discovering what ancient spiritual traditions like Buddhism, as an example, have known or Hinduism have known for a thousand years, several thousand years.
		I mean, this idea, there are two classes of phenomena, basically.
		There is what we can call anomalous perception.
		That's anomalous knowing.
		We don't know what the mechanism is, but it comes in two parts.
		There's sense impressions, that is what is the color taste-touch, or there's just the sense of knowingness.
		Only a very few people actually are able to visualize.
		And the other phenomena is anomalous perturbation, and that's consciousness having an effect on either a mechanism or another living organism.
		And we know from studies that have been done over and over and over again that the consciousness of one person has the capacity to affect the well-being of another.
		More than that, there is a reason why all religions have a sense of healing prayer and make it a part of their rituals.
		I mean, they do it because over long periods of time, they observed that it made a difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it worked.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was worth preserving.
		They weren't in a scientific argument.
		They just observed people got better.
		So, yeah, we'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about the use of mass consciousness to achieve some large result?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, we've got a hurricane raging in Florida right now.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean moving the weather?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, for example, tampering with something, the force of a hurricane.
		That scared the you-know-what out of me.
		And so I stopped doing it a number of years ago, because I'm a little concerned about unintended consequences.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good thing to be concerned about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
		We understand dimly and darkly, through a glass darkly, how the complexity of these systems, and if you twiddle with them, you often produce unintended consequences that are as bad or worse than the, you know, because you just don't understand.
		So, again, that's why most traditions have an invocation of some kind that it's not my will, but it's not my will but thine.
		It's that the great force or the transcendent deity or whatever it is, you know, however you want to express that, the Christ Spirit, whatever, that you surrender to that process, that you're surrendering to the collective.
		And they all have that because of that exact problem.
		Unintended consequences is a very big deal.
		As we see hundreds of times, look at what's going on in the current elections with the 527's funding apparatus.
		That all came out of what was supposed to be an attempt to correct the system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all about mass intentions.
		Yes, it is, absolutely.
		527.
		All right.
		Hold tight.
		We'll be right back.
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		Regarding your opinion on mass consciousness experiments, your viewpoint is well-founded, but there's a big flaw in your logic.
		How can one understand better without exploration?
		Be it you or future Art Bell?
		Practical exploration is inevitable.
		Yes, yes, I suppose so, but you know, when you're teaching a child about a gun, and it's my personal view that teaching them is better than letting them wonder, you don't let them take it in their hand, point the barrel at their head, and pull the trigger to find out what the mechanism does, right?
		You instruct them first.
		That's the whole idea.
		Get to know it's dangerous, a very dangerous thing that could take your life, and then it's less likely to as one point view and happens to be mine.
		So, you know, we'll ask Stephen about all this in just a moment.
		I mean, yes, there's going to be more experimentation.
		How is it best done?
unidentified		How is it best done?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End It's kind of like having a hydrogen bomb and saying, hey, Frank, let's play with all the shiny little buttons on the control panel.
		Stephen, welcome back.
		It's a valid question how we proceed with responsible experiments to find out what can and can't be done with all of this.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a very good question.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think the answer is, is it life-affirming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, turning a hurricane away from the coast would be life-affirming, but maybe it wouldn't work out the way you intended.
		That's the point.
		I mean, scientifically, how do we progress with this?
		Is it life-affirming?
		Well, we hope so.
		But at what scale do we experiment, find out about things?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, this has been a perennial problem as long as science has existed.
		You have to, in a certain way, you have to rely on the integrity of the people who are playing the game.
		And, you know, over the last several hundred years that they've been at it, I mean, we don't have a bad track record.
		There are some bad guys.
		I mean, they're, you know, Nazi scientists and things.
		But they actually are fairly rare.
		The truth is, is that most people who get into this are deeply motivated people.
		There's only a relatively small number that are, I would say, ethically compromised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we spend a lot of time thinking about this small number of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And from our point of view, the fundamentalists who want to kill us and destroy our buildings, they would be a group of people with very sharp, strong intent.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not life-affirming.
		Yes, they do have strong intent.
		You know, if you think about it, I mean, this is a virtual state.
		This is like we are having a war with a virtual state.
		They don't have any geography.
		They are a point of view.
		And what is particularly interesting about this is that what makes America distinct is that it is an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you go to Italy, the people are Italians, I mean, they've been there a long time, and there's a lot of history, and it's a genetic pool of people.
		I mean, what makes Germans different than Frenchmen?
		It's culture and genetics.
		And they come out of deep bases, they come out of tribal things.
		America has always been an idea.
		The founders created an idea.
		And when you come to the United States, you stop being whoever you are.
		You know, you could live in Germany for the rest of your life, and if you're Turkish, you are never going to be German.
		But if you come to the United States, it doesn't matter who you are.
		If you subscribe to the idea, then you're an American.
		And that makes a lot of difference.
		Plus, there's one other thing.
		America is the only country in which one race fought a war against amongst itself, a kind of family feud, literally brother against brother, over the status of another race.
		Yes.
		That is amazing.
		There is no other example of that in history that I know of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, except on the negative side.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Oh, Lord, yes.
		I mean, the negative side's well populated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you're right about that.
		And we are an idea and a concept and a very, very strong one with basic precepts that seem so universal.
		Freedom, individual freedom and responsibility and all of that.
		Oh, yes.
		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And the guys we are fighting are also motivated by an idea.
		They're not even physically proximate to one another.
		They are a virtual state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They have a very strong intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so strong.
		I mean, if you measure their apparent intention against even, well, say the Nazis, for example, I judge this to be even stronger than the Nazis, the level of intent of people who will blow themselves up and so forth and so on.
		The intent is incredible.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I agree with you, Art.
		This is a group of people the like of which we have not seen for a very long time and have never Seen previously on an international scale where the principal weapon is people who, women who are willing to blow themselves up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		People who are willing to blow their children up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That too.
		I mean, this is just incredibly strong.
		So how much do we assign to the importance of the level of the strength of the intent?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think intent, this is the realm of the will.
		That's my personal view.
		I can't support this science.
		I mean, I can't cite experiments exactly, but as I can in other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just wondering how strong an ingredient intent is.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Intent is will is, think of it as power, energy, spirit, whatever it is you want to, whatever word works for you, directed by will.
		That's intent.
		And if your will is strong and you are willing to commit everything to it, you are an irresistible force in some ways.
		I mean, you can get at anybody.
		Look at the guy that assassinated Gandhi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		So that's what we're facing, an intent of that magnitude.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		People who worship death.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		These are people who believe that it is a positive good to martyr yourself and that people who do that ought to be revered as heroes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And they believe there's a great reward that awaits them for all of this.
		Yes.
		So intent, again, is incredibly strong and important.
		And important.
		That's what I was searching for.
		It's an important aspect of whatever it is that we're directing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And that's why, in order to resist terrorism, we have to live our idea.
		What concerns me is that, as an expression of mass consciousness, is that fear is a wonderful short-term motivator.
		You know, I mean, if a lion is coming after you or something, you have a real strong reason for moving as quickly as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure do.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But as a long-term strategy, it doesn't work very well.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And what concerns me is that what we ought to be doing is demonstrating the integrity of who we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that what you're supposed to actually do in front of a lion?
		Not move fast?
		That if you run, the lion is more likely to fall.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, if you run, the lion just sees you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thinks of you as prey and boom.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yes.
		And actually, that's just to carry that analogy out.
		That's pretty good.
		I didn't think about that, but that's true.
		Is that we need to just stand still and be who we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And face the fear.
unidentified		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, if you look at it in terms of just as a war, I mean, 19 guys and $500,000 were able to bring the largest power on earth to its knees in many ways.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it has altered our lives in thousands of ways, great and small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has, yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's astonishing.
		I mean, if you were a terrorist and you looked at what did it cost you, it cost you the lives of 19 people and $500,000.
		I mean, we've spent $200 billion in Iraq.
		So that they were able to accomplish this for what is reputed to be $500,000 from their point of view means that they have been very successful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Absolutely, yes.
		And what does that portend, Stephen, or do you even want to venture into that territory?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think by attacking, we set up a recruitment program that we're going to have to pay a big price to dismantle.
		Our strength is to be people of absolute integrity who do what they say and say what they do, but who look at the source of this problem is not killing, endlessly killing terrorists in some Orwellian war that has no end.
		The answer to this is to produce cultures, to help the nurturing of cultures that will make people choose differently.
		You know, if you look at one thing, just look at population.
		What we now see from 15 years ago is that the greatest, most powerful contraceptive in the world is an educated woman.
		As you educate women, they choose to have fewer children.
		And it happens whether it's in a rich country or in a poor country like Bangladesh.
		So that tells us something.
		That's a data point.
		If we emphasize the things which are the greatness of our idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say it's education.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other people say it's selfishness.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But that they don't want to have children?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That modern women, particularly in industrialized nations, that are fairly well off, and we fit squarely in that category.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a different level.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about people much further down the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are having fewer children because their quality of life is higher without so many children.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		An educated Bangladeshi housewife in a small village understands now that she'll do better if she limits the number of children she has.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's recent news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know she was a little bit more than that.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And they don't.
		I mean, the birth rate has dropped enormously.
		So we know we can affect social change.
		We know people don't smoke anymore.
		When you were 20 years old, everybody who knew smoked, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be careful here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still smoke.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't care.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but everybody you knew smoked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay, that's right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Today, smokers are a minority.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I don't care whether you smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not having moral judgment on it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm just simply saying that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are a persecuted minority.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They are being persecuted.
unidentified		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		but the point is that we have affected social change we have done it If it gets any worse, I'm applying for federal discrimination action.
		It is.
		It's very sad, you know, to see those few people clustered out under the eve of some building.
		It really is.
		It seems very unfair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You all are a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You need not get on my side.
		That's quite right.
		So that's affected social change.
		I mean, you're right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		We can do it.
		That's my point.
		We can do this by emphasizing the things which are life-affirming and that work with liberty and self-empowerment of individuals and groups, which is the core.
		You know, the thing that the Tocqueville said when he came here in the 1830s was, Americans are a people who have an absolutely committed belief in the fact that human beings can make their lot better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here is a straight-on question for you.
		Exactly how good is remote viewing?
		How much better is remote viewing than a 50-50 chance for anything?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You should expect to see, in an average remote viewing, just sort of over a period of time, you should expect to see about 75 to 85 percent of the material be evaluated as correct or partially correct.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It is possible under controlled conditions to produce a 95 percent probability of accuracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I was going to say, I've had remote viewers on the program who say, look, Art, with a trained remote viewing crew, that means, you know, six or eight remote viewers who are really good.
		When they get a certain percentage of agreement among the remote viewers, they put it in the high 90s.
		Some claim 100% that they just flat can't be wrong past a certain point.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never seen 100% accuracy in anything.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly not maybe an individual thing, but what I would say, and I'm willing to back this up with published papers, I mean, anybody that's interested can go up to my website and get them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Is that, for instance, the archaeological stuff, we evaluated each concept that was offered by a remote viewer.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		So, for instance, if they said the man sitting at the microphone on the ball, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		If they said that would be, that's one sentence, but it's man sitting microphone ball.
		That's like four concepts.
		And so if each of those concepts is evaluated as correct, partially correct, incorrect, can't be evaluated, we expected to see of the part that could be evaluated, there's a certain percentage you just can't evaluate, but of the part that could be evaluated, we expected it to be between 75 and 85 percent accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see, here's.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And that ran over about 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but here's what I just can't digest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is like a rewind to a little while ago, Stephen, and that is that if the message could be, for example, man bomb flight 1125.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, you wouldn't get flight 1125.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, whatever.
		Get close enough so that it would be useful information for the FBI or whoever else would stop this kind of thing, then this would be in use today.
		And the fact that it's not in official use seems beyond all reason to me.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would agree.
		It's not about reason.
		It's not a rational decision.
		I mean, I will tell you that I had 47 people who had never done remote viewing who came to a seminar that I taught last year.
		I asked them on the 3rd of November to locate and describe where Saddam Hussein would be captured and discovered by the coalition or U.S. forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And came up with what?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And came up with sufficient information that, as I was told by one of the officers, you could have driven to the place.
		And I'll send this to you.
		I had it all notarized, put in a bank vault.
unidentified		Okay, see, that's a precise example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		have been exact example of why they would be using it they don't have They ain't that moral.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it has nothing to do with morality.
		It's not about morality.
		It's about the moral view, the idea that people ought not to be able to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely I'm serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
		That would be the average person's fear.
		But you're going to tell me that's a CIA executive who needs to know secrets more than anything else in the world.
		He needs to know these things.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you, I've been doing this for almost 30 years now.
		Actually, for 30 years.
		And I have used the remote viewing and compared it against side scan sonar and magnetometers and satellite photographs and all kinds of other electronic remote sensing.
		And I will tell you, and I am prepared to back it up.
		And again, you can go get the papers.
		I mean, this is all written down.
		It's all witnessed by dozens of people.
		It's all, you know, blah, blah, blah.
		That if I had only one way to go look for something, I would use remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're that confident.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that includes, would that include a dead body?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You mean if somebody said, can you locate a dead body?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd have to know a little more about it, but given the right set of circumstances, yeah, I think you'd have it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I've located dead bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it doesn't matter then whether a body is alive or dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's equally locatable.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Equally locatable?
unidentified		No.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I would actually think a dead body was probably harder to locate than a living being, although if it died in a situation of extreme violence where there was a kind of powerful transmutation of energy, then it would probably be easier to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because when you look in sci-space in this dimension or whatever it is where people get the information, there is no time and space.
		But what Does make things more visible is that they have that there be a transmutation of some kind occurring, some transformation of energy.
		Like for instance, a picture of a tornado would be much easier to see than the picture of a rice patty.
		And the reason is, is that there's a tremendous amount of release of energy across part of the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The force has been more affected by the tornado.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's just, it's more numinous would be the way I would describe it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		For instance...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We've got to take a break.
		The force.
		I don't know.
		Why not the force?
		That's a Star Wars phrase, but may the force be with you, right?
		Well, maybe it is.
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		Hurricane Francis at this hour is 27.2 north, 80.4 west.
		It's about 25 miles east of Okeechobee in Florida, 105 mile-an-hour winds.
		It continues to have 105 mile-an-hour winds moving west-northwest at all of 8 miles an hour.
		That's it.
		Pressure is now 2835 inches or 960 millibars, and the terror continues in Florida.
		in a moment will continue the terror right here I love it.
		I know this hurricane is just ripping the East Coast apart, and people say, well, then why not intend for it to go fast across the state of Florida?
		Just zoom right across.
		It won't do so much damage.
		Oh, yeah, very tempting.
		Only, once again, when you toy around with things of this magnitude, you have no way of knowing.
		Maybe it would go tearing across Florida and then get out into the Gulf and stop dead and build like you know what and then slam into Louisiana or something awful like that.
		So again, you just don't know the forces that you're tampering with when you apply concentration.
		If you don't know how to apply it, you just don't know what the result is going to be.
		Now, with respect to remote viewing, I've got a hard question for you, Stephen.
		Have you ever remote viewed, and if not, would you, the manner of your own death?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not personally interested in knowing that because I think it would, whatever the answer, whether it was right or wrong, it might bias choices that I would make, and I would rather make the choices on their own merits, without any countervailing bias.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not sure that you would get accurate information because it's such a numinous event for you that I'm not sure you would get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, my follow-up question would have been, I'm on your side.
		I don't want to know the manner of my own death.
		I just don't want to know.
		But it begs the question, if you could do it, and or maybe one of your fellow remote viewers being more dispassionate about, say, your death, could view it successfully.
		If that could be done, and it was relatively accurate, Stephen, then could you conceivably take steps to alter that occurrence?
		I mean, just make sure that instead of being in Cincinnati, where you're supposed to die, you get on an airplane.
		You get on an airplane.
		Yeah, you get on an airplane and go to South Africa.
		Could it be doggone?
		Sure.
		Could it be changed?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		All remote viewing is probably...
		It is not the actualized future.
		It is the most probable future.
		So absolutely.
		And examples of that are Edgar Casey endlessly talking about things happening to California that didn't happen in the timeframe.
		And I think the reason was that the consciousness changed over a period of time.
		it's all about consciousness because consciousness is the principal reality the rest of it is you know is is manifestation or if you're well I think the consciousness of the state changed.
		There was an awareness amongst a certain number of people about this, and they made different choices ecologically.
		They made choices about air cleanliness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that affects, you really think that affects what happens in California geologically, for example?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think our consciousness has all kinds of effect intention, express.
		I mean, it's sort of obvious, sort of not obvious, gross levels.
		Look at global climate change.
		Global climate change, I mean, even the White House, which has now reversed itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, what a surprise.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it says, yes, many of these elements are as a result of human activity.
		Well, if you had different human activity, that's why once you get this point of view, you make different political choices because we have the capacity, we certainly have the money, to create an alternative to petroleum energy.
		We are like junkies.
		We are junkies.
		We're not like junkies.
		We are a junkie as a nation, and we're dealing with dealers, and they even look like dealers.
		I mean, they drive around in flashy cars and wear a lot of gold and have scantily clad women, you know, by the dozen.
		It's like we go into a bad neighborhood and we get this guy who's got the fancy suit and the gold thing, and we're getting our fix.
		It's just exactly the same kind of addictive behavior played out at the national level that you would see in an individual.
unidentified		I suppose so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never quite thought of oil executives in that manner, but absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		We are junkies.
		We live on petroleum, and that's the fix.
		And we have the capacity to free ourselves from that.
		Look, Germany has made an actual decision.
		They're going to have 23% of their energy generated by wind power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I might add that these guys are so good, Stephen, that they deal in it in the barrels because the barrel full.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Think about it.
		That's right.
		They buy it by the kilo and they sell it by the carrot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, even though we seem to have some level of consciousness now in the U.S. about energy, nevertheless, we continue, as you point out, like a junkie, to use it uncontrollably now.
		Absolutely.
		So where are we headed here with regard to climate change?
		You're a remote viewer.
		Have you looked at anything like that?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm very interested in climate change.
		Next year, this year's Schwartz Report Conference is on the physics of consciousness.
		Next year's is going to be about global climate change.
		I've been following this story for seven years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you remote viewed the subject a lot?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually, I have been doing an experiment since 1978, Art.
		It's one of the CDs that I've got of getting people to go forward to the year 2050.
		And they describe, I've been doing it now for almost 30 years, and something like 4,000 people have taken part in this experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they describe?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I describe it, then all your viewers will be predisposed.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, no, no, no, you're not getting away with that.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I mean, I will tell you that in 1978, they started talking about AIDS.
		They didn't call it AIDS.
		They said there's this blood disease that crosses over from primates, and it comes out of Africa, and it spreads all over the earth and kills tens of thousands of millions of people.
		And at the time, I thought, what in the world is this?
		And I took it to a friend of mine who was the deputy director of cardiovascular research at NIH, and I said to him, what is this?
		And this was in 1979, I think.
		And he said, I have no clue.
		And, of course, several years later, AIDS began, 81, whatever it was, began to emerge.
		And now it's very clear what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They describe in detail the development of virtual reality, which I also did not understand.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		The reason I picked 2050, by the way, is if you go any further down the line, you wouldn't understand what they brought back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is our 2050 world like, Steve?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, the 2050 world is there has been massive global climate change.
		There's been a, finally, some of it is still an issue.
		People live very differently than they do today.
		They live in communities which there's been some sort of energy revolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A revolution.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And it has allowed, and there's also been another generation of information revolutions so that it's possible to transmit enormous quantities of information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's cool.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And because people now have energy abundance, you can live anywhere you want.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And so there's been, as a result of global climate change, areas like the southwestern United States have been largely abandoned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Because, yeah, because of the heat.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's already taken.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		The southern states are going to become tropical.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Roughly speaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where I live, the American Southwest you mentioned, I know exactly where you are.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a hard time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm 20 miles from Death Valley.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a terrible time.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Water is going to become just impossible problem in the southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that might make some sense.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you're going to have two seasons having periods of temperature of 115 degrees regularly.
		And I can tell you that when it gets that hot, people, even Bedouins, don't work in that kind of heat.
		I mean, people just don't operate well when it gets that hot.
		We're going to have rising, the coastline's going to rise.
		It doesn't have to rise very much.
		For large sections of the coastline all over the world.
		I mean, countries like Bangladesh, for instance, you know, the average height is like four feet above seawater.
		So it doesn't have to rise.
		Look at the Bahamas.
		They had just had, because of this dreadful hurricane, they've had surges of 10 to 14 feet.
		And Nassau, I mean, the highest place in Nassau, just on a guess, I would say, was about 30 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's clear, Stephen, when you look at the top and bottom of the globe that they're melting.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it really comes down to that.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You go to Glacier National Park, they'll tell you the glaciers are going to be gone in about 15 years, 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I know.
		The top and bottom of the world are melting.
		I saw some pictures of the North Pole 10 years, you know, and you go, oh, my God, two-thirds of it are gone.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's going to be oceans, and they're going to be planning to navigate them and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the world and the climate is absolutely before our eyes changing, and a lot of people have not grasped it.
unidentified		Absolutely.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		it's the six hundred pound gorilla spot it's my biggest problem with the current administration is that they've done it's just going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's interesting because that was sort of the contention in Global Superstorm, that there is a threshold point, a virtual kind of switch, as you point out, and that when you pass a certain point, events escalate exponentially.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the business of when the world ocean, the conveyor that moves the energy around, the temperature around, this whole world ocean, you think of it as one ocean, the breakdown of this pump is going to produce tremendous changes all over.
		Europe is going to be radically different.
		This weather thing is very serious, and it's why hundreds of Nobel laureates and leading scientists who have studied this, I mean, the people who have taken the time to master the subject to the degree that we have mastery of it, all have a point of view.
		The only people that don't are a few guys who get most of their funding out of the energy industry.
		Even the Bush administration has reversed itself now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the one positive thing that you said about 2050 was it's obvious that there's been some kind of energy revolution.
		Do you have any idea, any idea at all, can you describe what might have happened?
		Do you see clearly enough what might have occurred to give us an idea of where it's going to occur?
		where what's going to occur this this revolution in energy in other words some new source apparently is just how i have an aspect question or harness that sure would be cool to know what See, I started out with this thing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I had no idea what they were going to say.
		I mean, I didn't know what they were going to say.
		Actually, at that point when I started this experiment, I had been a futurist.
		I'd just come off of the MIT Secretary of Defense discussion group on innovation, technology, and the future.
		So I had been reading all of the stuff.
		And if you remember back, the general take was we were going to have this vast overpopulation problem, and we were going to run out of natural resources.
		and in fact there was a very famous bet between two two guys who got a thousand dollars one being an ecologist in the other and it hasn't worked at all out i mean we now know for instance that overpopulation The 20-50 remote viewers, I asked them all, is it overpopulated?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And to a person, practically, they said, no, overpopulation is not a problem.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I thought, what are these people talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, nothing good from our point of view, I'm sure.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		Actually, what we now know is that the sustainable birth rate, 2.1 children per fertile couple, 1.85 by some models, you have to have that sustainable rate in order to create a population which gets bigger slightly because more people come in than go out.
		And the truth is that all European countries, none of them have a sustainable birth rate.
		The United States only has a sustainable birth rate because of its immigration.
		Even the Islamic countries, which have had birth rates of 5.6, that kind of huge numbers, have fallen way back.
		Overpopulation is not going to be a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think that famine, disease, ecological destruction of various sorts has a lot to do with reducing the population suddenly.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do think the population is significantly reduced.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Based on the 2050 remote viewings, population gets reduced in part because of catastrophic events which occur in a number of countries and because of drought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned the American Southwest where else?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, roughly speaking, roughly, roughly, the southern states are going to become kind of tropical, and the central states are going to become roughly like Florida is now.
		And the northern states are going to become like the moderate central states are now.
		And in fact, it's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Temperate climate.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a much more temperate climate.
		We're going to, within our lifetime, see the Northwest Passage, which has never in recorded history been opened, open up.
		That's at least the latest research That I saw that the fabled passage that Columbus and everybody were looking for, a way to get across the top of the world to get to the other side, which of course didn't exist, they think it's going to open up because of the melting of the ice.
		This is a very big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		This is the 600-pound gorilla.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, normally humans don't get to experience change this quickly.
		We're not used to that happening.
		Things remain generally the same throughout our lifetime.
		So are we not the first sort of generation to see this acceleration have begun?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a kind of mini-ice age in the 1750s, earlier, 1712, 1750.
		In fact, the Battle of Valley, Washington keeping the army at Valley Forge, part of what made it difficult was that that took place during what's called the mini-ice age, where things got real cold again, which is why if you look at paintings from that period, you see, for instance, the canals of Holland iced over and people ice skating on them.
		But that's not going to happen now.
		We're going the other direction.
		And then it's going to get cold.
		And it's going to happen.
		Lots of these changes are going to happen in the lifetime of a person in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.
		Even people in their 60s and 70s are going to see significant amounts of change.
		I mean, we're already seeing it.
		Look at what happened last year in Europe.
		15,000 people died in Paris because they don't have any air conditioning.
		The city was never planned to require air conditioning.
		They never needed air conditioning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, it has to be gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I were to ask you, give you an assignment to remote view something, would you do that?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, suppose I was.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to tell you how to get into the Fort Knox or, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, darn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I was going to say, how would you feel about remote viewing Lucifer?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Lucifer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As an entity or as a force?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Energy force?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's an interesting...
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		I have to think about, I'm not begging off.
		To be honest with you, I'd have to think about whether it would be possible to get good information or whether, because there are such strong beliefs about him as an energy force or as a being, that I'm not sure whether they would just get the sort of the cliché images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not so sure it'd be a good idea, period.
		I just know, as you do, remote viewer, who did it.
		What happened?
		Oh, you don't know about that?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know the story.
		Hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour, and we'll be right back, and I'll relate that story to you.
		And then we'll open up the phone lines and take questions.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Schwartz is my guest.
		We're talking about remote viewing, mass consciousness, intent, just all sorts of things this night.
		In a moment, we're going to turn the phones over to you and let you ask whatever you would like to ask.
		I think I've pummeled Stephen sufficiently.
		In a moment, it's your turn.
unidentified		In a moment, it's your turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much would you want to know about the world of 2050?
		Stephen Schwartz is my guest.
		And by the way, we always do this for every guest.
		I mean, he has been a wonderful guy to interview, very lively, by the way.
		And he's got a number of books and a DVD, and I thought we should tell you about them.
		Because obviously, if you have enjoyed this and you want to read about all of this in great detail and perhaps even want to learn how to do it, then he's written books like Mind Rover, Explorations with Remote Viewing, Remote Viewing Through Time and Space, The Alexandria Project.
		By the way, that was the DVD, Remote Viewing Through Time and Space.
		We'll get back to that.
		The Alexandria Project?
		The Secret Vaults of Time, Remote Viewing, the Modern Mental Martial Art.
		But the DVD is, by its good title, Through Time and Space.
		And it is instantly through time and space.
		They don't exist.
		Time and space, in a realm in which you remote view, do not exist, right, Stephen?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		The evidence is very compelling that distance makes no difference.
		It's no harder to see the near than the proximate.
		I mean, the far than the proximate.
		That is, things that are close, things that are far away.
		And time doesn't seem to make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what would that mean to you that all of this is occurring in in what we refer to or uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		no people like doctor kaku referred to as another dimension uh...
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		one explanation is that Minkowski and space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you lean toward that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily, huh?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's a very hard question.
		What I would say on the evidence is it's a very hard question.
		I'm not sure I have an answer.
		I'm not sure anybody has an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I specialize in hard questions.
		That's all right.
		It's all right not to have an answer once in a while, too.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I would say that the evidence is that all life partakes to varying degrees of this connection with the collective.
		Because otherwise, you wouldn't be able to do the healing experiments involving animals.
		And by the way, I know that Rupert Sheldrake is going to be on your show tomorrow night.
		He is a wonderful guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is that a perfect follow-up to this program?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a good friend, and he is a wonderfully creative researcher.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Get him to talk about, I won't, because otherwise I was going to talk about him, but get him to talk about the parrot experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm going to say.
		Just talk to him about the parrot experiments.
		They've been filmed.
		He's got the film.
		It is quite amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And let me say one thing about the DVDs, because these are really worth saying.
		It's worth stopping for a second.
		Last year before I did your show, in fact, I did it just before then, every year the Schwartz Report, which is my daily web publication, does a conference.
		And last year I did it on remote viewing.
		This year it's on the physics of consciousness, new models of reality, and the mystery of non-locality.
		And it's a wonderful conference.
		And you can click on your website, Coast to Coast, and it'll take you there.
		So I won't say anything about that.
		But I want to say something about these DVDs because I'm really happy about these.
		I filmed this conference.
		I got all of the founders of remote viewing, all the guys that started it, Hal Putoff, Russ Targ, myself, Jim Spottiswood, Ingo Swan, and all the guys that had done the Army program.
		Not all of them, but many of them, the ones who were the commanding officers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a big list, all right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And I filmed these guys.
		I asked them to talk about the history, the science, the art, and the mysteries of remote viewing.
		And out of it came 11 hours of programming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that's got to be pretty good stuff.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That is.
		I will tell you, this course will never happen again.
		This group of people is very unlikely we'll ever all speak together from the same podium.
		Russell Targ, for instance, talks about Buddhism and its relationship with remote viewing and physics, and it's fascinating.
		Dale Graft, who was the contract monitor, the Air Force contract and CIA contract monitor, who was part of the, ran the SRI, was their contact and then also in the Army program, was the commander of the Army program, talks about remote viewing in dreams.
		He's the only guy I know that has done much on this.
		It can truly be said of this material that every single person speaking is the best person in the world on his subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty attractive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Jim Spottiswood, who is an English researcher, mathematician.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		James Spottiswood is a brilliant researcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you said Hal Putoff, too, didn't you?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Hal Putoff, Russell Targ, myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, these are the big ones.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		James Spottiswood, Ingo Swan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long a CD, or DVD, rather, is it?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's five DVDs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you did the whole thing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It totals 11 hours of programming, and it is designed to work with the four C Ds to produce collectively a total course.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You have 11 hours of intellectual instruction, and then you have four hours of experiential sessions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you telling me after going through these five DVDs and C D that you could remote view?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You will know everything we in science know about this subject.
		And I can say that.
		And you will learn it from the people who are the most knowledgeable researchers in the world on their subjects.
		We talk about local sidereal time.
		James Spottiswood, who discovered it, talks about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is not a remote viewing instructional tape or DVD.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		No, the CDs do that part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The CDs.
		All right, so you are getting it all in one package.
		Number one, you're finding out from the very best in the world about it.
		And number two, then you've got a course that will...
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		There is a remote viewing CD that takes you through all the different protocols, gives you all of the how to get the local sidereal time effect, how to get the geomagnetic field strength, when to do your experiments, how to do them.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And then it's as if you came into my laboratory and I interviewed you as if you were a remote viewer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so all these DVDs and CDs, how much are people paying and how do they get them?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, $219.95.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I made it as cheap as I could possibly make it.
unidentified		Okay.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And you get, I mean, I feel very strongly about that.
		This stuff is as good as I can make it.
		It's broadcast quality DVDs.
		It's studio-produced CDs.
		And if you take them together, then you get a workbook, too, that has all the forms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big deal.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You get everything we know.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And I did this because I wanted to have a gold standard body of material that was backed by all of the Actual real research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so is there a phone number or what?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You go to my website.
		And if you click on DVDs, it'll take you.
		Actually, go to www.nemoscene.
		N-E-M-O-S-E-E-N dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		NemoScene.com.
		N-E-M-O-S-E-E-N.com.
		That's the company that does the distribution, and all the stuff is there.
		I don't need to say any more questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's wonderful.
		I wish you luck on all of that.
		And just one more item before we go to the phones, and that is Lucifer.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That was Ed December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, look, that was Ed Dames.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, tell me the story.
		Yeah, you were going to tell me.
		What happened to Ed Dam Dam Dam Dam Dames?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Ed Dames told me ahead of time he was going to remote view Lucifer.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		he did and i'm claimed that he found lucifer as a legitimate and real entity and was a force so gigantic and so purely evil That at one point Ed said this entity recognized the fact that he was associating with it and it scared the you-know-what out of him.
		And there are many people who feel since that encounter Ed Dames has never been quite the same, a fact he would deny adamantly, but there are many of us who think that it may have changed him in some way.
		That's a pretty wild story.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it would.
		You know, my only observations are these.
		How would you know whether you had encountered a thought form or an actual being?
		A thought form being a kind of archetypal force created by the focused intended awareness of hundreds of thousands or millions of people?
		So how would you know whether you were dealing with a real being or simply the but either way, contacting that energy would definitely not be good for one's mental health.
		So I would agree with you.
		Okay.
		Whether it's an actual being or simply a collection of intentioned awareness, either way, contacting something that's that negative may not be good for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it doesn't matter which it is.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't make no functionally, it wouldn't make any difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		All right.
		Phone calls I have for you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Stephen Schwartz.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a cell phone, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Hampton Roads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hampton Roads.
		All right.
		Do you have a question for Stephen?
unidentified		Yes, Stephen, I want to comment and ask your opinion on this.
		Man and dinosaur living contemporaneously.
		Right.
		You alluded to the fact that there was scientific evidence refuting that, but in Glenrose, Texas, Dr. Carl Ball.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm familiar with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, he has found a man's footprint within a dinosaur's footprint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know.
		I've had him on the air.
		I've interviewed him.
		Yeah, he believes firmly that they were on Earth together, and you know Dr. Ball, right?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Or of his work.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I know the work he's talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I guess this caller then wanted to know your reaction to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there they were, the footprints side by side.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have two reactions.
		One is there may I that particular body of material is so problematic.
		I mean, there's I it.
		I mean, I guess that's the best thing I can say is I don't know what to make of it.
		There is a possibility that some kinds of fish, for instance, that date back to that period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Stephen, there is a problem in the regression, you know, when they put the skulls together and they're going back.
		Supposedly we evolved from apes, right?
		Well, there is a problem in that sequence, and there's a couple few holes they haven't quite filled in yet in that sequence to prove it absolutely.
		And there are people who have the view that there may have been an intervention of some kind.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Arthur Kessler thought that there had been an intervention.
		In fact, he wrote in Janus, a book he wrote some years back, he argued that the greatest focus we should make on medical research was getting the high brain to talk to the mammalian and reptilian brains.
		And that this resulted because there was a manipulation and intervention.
		You know, it's possible.
		I mean, it is possible.
		There is no way to refute that.
		You can't prove a negative.
		So it is possible that that's true.
		Have we ever been contacted?
		You know, it strikes me as awfully pompous to believe you're the only species in the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, that's a fairly well-expressed point of view, but as a remote viewer, can you actually go back and determine any of these questions?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Could you go back?
		You know, I never thought about that.
		Yes, you could go back to the moment of the Big Bang.
		Yes, you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wouldn't that be a scenic question?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I never thought about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that be scenic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The moment of the Big Bang.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure whether you would get very useful information because somebody would say, well, it goes from infinitely small to I'm not sure how helpful what you would get would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you've got some spare time, Stephen.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I might do that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I might do that one.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That interests me enough that I'm a great one at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		You're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are I?
unidentified		I'm 20 miles north of Florida line in Doken, Alabama.
		We're in the projected path of this storm, possibly.
		Whoa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here she is.
unidentified		And I did have one comment about that.
unidentified		Had you considered that some of the greatest damage from this storm could be done to other parts of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hurricanes massive like this are terribly damaging.
		Yeah, I've considered it.
		Sure.
unidentified		Well, my thought on that was that considering the Republican Party has a lot of wealth in it, I'm thinking that this storm will damage more Democrats in Florida and could affect the outcome of the election.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, I'll tell you, political season.
unidentified		Yeah, very easy.
unidentified		Anyhow, my question for the doctor is, does he believe there's any connection between remote viewing and deja vu?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		That's a very good question.
		I think deja vu is more than one thing.
		Sometimes I think it's a precognitive awareness.
		That is, the dream that you have on Tuesday is created and driven by the experience you're going to have on Wednesday because the Wednesday experience is so numinous, it's sufficiently powerful that it leaks back into your dream life of the previous day.
		So you have a precognitive dream or you have a deja vu experience.
		That is, you have the sense that you've had this experience before.
		So I think deja vu is a way, I hope I don't get misunderstood here, but it's kind of like dowsing.
		It's a sort of over, it's a kind of hand-waving word that may cover several different kinds of phenomena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well here, I'll take you on a walk off the cliff on this one, buddy.
		We've had the experience.
		Well, this extends that question.
		We've had the experience on this program, a mass experience.
		I had hundreds of emails, Stephen, when it was suggested that, hey, you know, Nelson Mandela, a lot of people thought Nelson Mandela died.
		Oh, but he didn't.
		Nelson Mandela was released from prison, went on to lead his country.
		Yeah, of course.
		But millions of people, if it's suggested by hundreds of emails on a program like this, also thought Nelson Mandela died.
		It's like they had one memory fixed in their head about some weird, alternate reality that either happened or almost happened or that we were taken away from in another bubble, in another universe, or something where some other time.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		You mean you just started getting emails saying Nelson Mandela is dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had some caller who said, Nelson Mandela is dead, right?
		And at the time, maybe I said, oh, yeah, I think I heard that too or something.
		And somehow it began, and a lot of people had the same thought.
		And one possibility being considered about this mass, whatever it is, misthought is that in some other reality, it did work out that way, and Nelson Mandela died.
		And a lot of people sort of vaguely remember that in some weird way in another timeline, if you're following me.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		All I can tell you is in these things, I favor Occam's razor.
		The simplest way is usually the best solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the simplest solution to this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do that many people think that?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it could be a pulse of fear that moves through the collective.
		You know, that's not the only time that's happened.
		I'm trying to think of The person, in fact, the entertainer.
		Oh, Bob Hope.
		Yes.
		From the Senate floor, they announced that he had died because somebody had heard that, and they started publishing obituaries on it.
		This was several years before he died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I recall.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that?
		I mean, I've forgotten what the name of this, which senator stood up, but he stood up and made this sort of eulogy for him, and then people began to report it.
		And, of course, he wasn't dead at all.
		It's like who's it, Thurber?
		No, Mark Twain.
		Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By millions of minds, maybe, Stephen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By millions of minds.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as for our friends in Florida, who are indeed this morning, riders on the storm, a lot of them hunched over in a deep, dark place within their house, listening to it all howl out there, it really is quite frightening.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't need my guest, Stephen Schwartz, and it's always a pleasure to have a guest sufficiently of a resilient sort so that you can pummel them hard with questions and they come up with really good answers.
		Stephen is a remote viewer, and we've been hitting him with the hard ones.
		We're back to the phones in a moment.
unidentified		We're back to the phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, the eastern wall of the hurricane has still not yet cleared land.
		This is one slow-moving mother.
		Francis is really a slow-mover, and that's not good in a hurricane situation.
		Once again, Stephen Schwartz, and by the way, in the material that you have available for people, how much do they deal with the subject of 2050?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yes, one of the CDs is called 2050.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And it takes you through the experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		I didn't know that.
		That was a question in the blind.
		And a whole CD, huh?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And then you can takes about 45 minutes or an hour.
		It's an experience, and you can do it, and other people can do it, and then there's a form you can get that you fill in, and then you can share whatever your experience was.
		It has a common set of questions.
		And then it gives you places where you can expand on those questions, sort of like an essay, you can write cool things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the present.
		Used to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Stephen Schwartz.
		Hi.
		Yes, hello, Ert.
unidentified		This is Keith in Hamilton, Ontario.
		Hey there.
		Hi.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Keith.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I like Hamilton, and I like Ontario.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Thanks.
		Yeah, I have a really weird question for you.
		I am a skeptic.
		But here's a question and a request.
		If remote viewing is possible, as we are having this conversation right now, could you remote view me talking to you, and the next time you're on the show, you could describe me and my surroundings?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm not principally a remote viewer, Keith.
		I'm a researcher.
		So I've done a lot of remote viewing, and so yes, the answer is yeah.
		Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, my performance as a remote viewer, I would not let the whole issue stand or fall on that.
		If you are a skeptic, not that I'm not backing away from your thing, I'll do it.
		But if you're interested in looking at it, I really encourage you to look at a study that was done by Jessica Utz that's published in Statistical Science.
		In fact, if you send me an email, I will send you a list of papers that have been published in journals like Nature and IEEE that you may take a look at.
		That will answer your question.
unidentified		Okay, can I answer that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'm just wondering this infamous question to remote viewers of, you know, can you remote view the upcoming Powerball lottery, you know, and win yourself millions of dollars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's such amazing.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I personally did, I created that experiment.
		That's called Associated Remote Viewing.
		And I created that experiment in 197 August of 77.
		We did the first one off of the submarine, and then the next day, we did it to win a horse race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Are you rich?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Am I rich?
		No, we have made money out of it.
		It's much harder work than getting the psychic is not a silver bullet.
		You can do it.
		Hal Putoff raised enough money to start a private school.
		Russ Targ did nine straight silver calls to make, I've forgotten how many hundred thousand dollars.
		You can do this.
		People do it.
		I mean, it's not just a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fair enough.
		So Russell Targ is saying made nine.
		Did I hear you correctly?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Nine straight, accurate silver calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And made a ton of money in silver.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And made a bunch of money.
		Hal Putoff used it to raise money for a private school for his kids.
		I used it to finance some research.
		It's not effortless.
		It takes a lot of work to do these experiments.
		And in the end, I came away feeling that the reality is that successful traders are using anomalous perception to give them an edge.
		You know, there's a certain kind of guy.
		It's like oil well guys.
		If you talk to an oil engineer, he will tell you right away what his percentage is.
		I mean, they put it on their business material because people who are going to, you know, it's a crapshoot.
		And so you want a guy who's everybody can get the same kind of intellectual information.
		I mean, that's relatively available.
		It's the interpretation part that makes the difference.
		And there are some guys who are very good at it, just like there are some archaeologists who are particularly good at finding things.
		And what they're doing is native remote viewing.
		That's what it is.
		I mean, that's what gives them the edge.
		Why two people looking at the same intellectual material, one of them can consistently produce a better result than another one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we have yet to see, you know, frequently on TV, they always show the winners of, my God, a taxi driver has won $56 million.
		You see the guy saying, well, I'm not driving a taxi anymore.
		But we have yet to see someone stand up in front of the mics and say, well, yeah, hey, you know, I remote viewed the number.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know people who have gone to Las Vegas doing it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		They don't want it generally known because they would be barred from the casinos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instantly.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, I know people that have done it and are doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		don't like mental powers in casinos at all i mean even though is that i mean all they're doing is there is counting what's visually available and have indelibly impressing it in their memory and then using it and not apparently changed money Just enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is absolutely not something the casinos allow.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		No, they're into making money.
		Slot machines produce a fixed amount.
		They tweak them to make them produce a fixed amount of money a day.
		there's no gambling about it uh...
		if you get into And I was very clear.
		These machines produce a fixed amount of money every day, and they set it up that way.
		Each one of them is a computer that's hooked by a modem back to a war room where they're watching each one of these things.
		They know exactly what they're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are laws, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the Gaming Commission keeps them on their toes.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		They like the laws.
		They make more money.
		You know, it's like the same thing happened to Las Vegas that's happening in Russia now.
		The guys who may have started out bogus, they figured out that it was easier and cheaper and more profitable to be straight.
unidentified		Yeah.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's more profitable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
		Las Vegas has the running, the management of Las Vegas at whatever level you imagine it to be managed has changed over the years.
		Changed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Stephen Schwartz.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yeah, I was listening to this thing.
		He was talking about being in Vegas when I was in Reno.
		Somebody gave me a quarter because ordinarily I don't gamble.
		And so I just went over and put one in the machine.
		That machine opened up by one knot, and that machine had wandered around.
		I had three machines.
		And after that, nothing.
		But at any event, my problem is I wanted to ask him back before remote, that I'd hear it about remote viewing, I used to, I started with a subject that I would put under hypnosis and regressed her previous lives, stuff like that.
		And then I began to get into, I guess what you would call, remote viewing.
		But I didn't know for sure how well she was doing this, so I put her off into, I wanted to find out what could she, really something that I knew existed somewhere, but she didn't.
		I knew Dan Williams didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks so?
unidentified		So I sent her up to Alaska, and I wanted her to cover the ground so high above Alaska.
		And when she spotted something that looked a little strange, to tell me about it.
		Well, she came up with what I was thinking about, and that was hop.
		So I told her to come down to the side of hop, you know, outside the fence, describe it, and she described it 100%.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you've you've tested uh...
		remote viewing Stephen?
		I mean, trying to prove it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Most people, the reason remote viewing continues to grow is that just like this gentleman who called in, most people who try it, whatever form they do it with, the first time have a sufficiently positive effect that it demonstrates its reality to them and they pursue it.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's why I say it's like a modern mental martial art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're certainly correct.
		I mean, it wouldn't be growing exponentially if there was nothing to it.
		That's right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why would people do this?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And what's interesting about it is that it has that the population who are interested in this of practitioners is about 50-50, male and female.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to have a future world, Stephen, where it is so refined and so many people are doing it that literally it does become the end of secrets?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		I think I've not asked that question to the 20-50 viewers, but I would say based on what's going on, we're never going to get to a place where everybody does it because it takes a certain amount of discipline.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And there are a lot of people that, you know, that just don't develop the discipline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but it wouldn't.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't take everyone.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But I believe that not just remote viewing, but the whole idea that the consciousness of what I said earlier, there are two classes of phenomena.
		There's anomalous perception and anomalous perturbation.
		Everything comes under those two categories.
		And I think in the future, for instance, in the medical sciences, we're going to increasingly appreciate that the consciousness of the people who look after patients has an effect on their well-being over the long haul, and that it's sufficiently, it's a small effect, but it's sufficiently large that it makes a big financial difference.
		I mean, if you think about people who've been prayed for, these studies, these prayer studies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody wants an optimistic doctor, Stephen.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, yes, not only that, but of course.
		But what I was going to say was that in these prayer studies, what it shows is that they have lower days of hospitalization.
		That's one of the universals across all the studies.
		Well, if you could eliminate every patient who checked into a hospital, if you could eliminate one day in the hospital, think of the billions of dollars that would save.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Billions, yes, indeed.
		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Stephen Schwartz.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Proceed.
unidentified		I had more of a statement than a question.
		My statement was you had made the comment about the CIA using.
		That would work, provided the general public never found out about this concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That's what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Because if you remember when the Patriot Act came out, you want to protest, you'd have little Granny down the street complaining that somebody's watching her.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And that's a good comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is because I think that, you know, number one, two, really, it would be irresistible for the CIA not to use this, but they blew it wide open and said, well, we did, but we're not anymore.
		I don't know about that.
		I don't know if they are not.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Everybody asked me this question.
		Is there some part of the government that's doing it?
		All I can tell you is that if they are, they are doing it on such deep background that none of us in the remote viewing community know about it.
		Because I know everybody in the community.
		And they wouldn't tell you guys.
		No, but I mean, for instance, even when Russ and Howell were working at SRI, I mean, everybody knew that was a classified program.
		So you knew that there was something, you didn't know what it was exactly.
		I mean, you knew actually it was not hard to figure it out, but particularly if like me, you were doing research.
		I mean, they did exactly the same thing we did.
		They just did it with a different goal in view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Stephen, what's bothering me here is I might as well get to the bottom of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we're honestly not doing it, then I know damn well the Chinese are, probably the Russians are, and God knows how many other countries.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sure that there are people that are doing it.
		And in fact, I'll go further than that.
		I know that there are people that are doing it in various kinds of ways.
		I mean, that was what I was trying to say earlier.
		You know, remote viewing is a protocol for obtaining testable information from an anomalous source.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		But the same thing is done.
		You know, studies have been done about CEOs and profit.
		And the studies have shown that those CEOs who are better at doing precognitive tasks make more money than the CEOs who just do it chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't surprise me.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And much better than the CEOs who do below chance, whose businesses lose money.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And the correlation is so strong that you can look at the balance sheet and predict how the guy is going to do or the woman's going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why they pay them all the big bucks up front.
		Because they've got a track record.
		They've done it again and again and again and again.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		That is a form of remote viewing.
		So when you talk about remote viewing, you mean the protocol, that is a particular way of doing interviews and doing judging.
		That's what remote viewing originally meant.
		It was a protocol.
		And now it's a whole coverall word for anomalous perception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then like everything else in the world, Stephen, would you say that the successful remote viewers in America and the world are the world's movers, shakers, rich people, and powerful people?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		The people who are the best remote viewers as a group are accomplished people who have had successful careers in other fields and whose primary self-definition is not that they are remote viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		If you had talked to Hella Hammond, for instance, who was one of the best, she would have said she was a fine arts photographer.
		If you had talked to Judith Orloff, who's been on your show, she would tell you she was a psychiatrist.
		If you talked to Michael Crichton, he would say to you, you know, I'm a writer-director.
		But all of those people are very good remote viewers.
		And my experience has been, and the remote viewers that I worked with, that I've had the best results with, were people who were confident, comfortable in their own skin.
		They had achieved some measure of professional and financial success.
		And they took this up either as part of a spiritual quest or as a desire to have a broader understanding of the outer limits of human function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, by extension, Stephen, Are the people out there with the psychic IQ of a brick generally the poorest, most downtrodden, unlucky, unknown people in the world?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can train yourself to suppress psychic functioning.
		Engineers do it.
		Studies show, for instance, that engineering students have less creativity at the end of their educational process than at the beginning, based on measures of creativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's beaten out of them, huh?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's beaten out of them.
		It is because you don't want people thinking.
		You don't want them thinking that way.
		So it is possible to suppress the ability.
		The ability itself is spread through the population about like any other human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in a sense, the military does that to you.
		It teaches you to accept orders without question, without any thought process applied whatsoever.
		Very quickly, wildcard line, you're on the air with Stephen Schwartz.
		Got a quick question?
		Hello?
		Going once, twice.
		That was too quick.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Schwartz.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Stephen?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Hey, this is Stan and Tulsa.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Stan, how are you?
unidentified		Okay.
		I have a quick question.
		I'll hang up and listen on the radio.
		Real quick.
		As a remote viewer, is there a connection between remote viewing and astral projection or out-of-body travel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good question.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		This is a very good question.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		Boy, your question's been really good tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the answer?
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		And the answer is, yes, they are both forms of anomalous perception.
		The difference is that an out-of-body experience is where the whole locus of your awareness moves outside of your physical body.
		And one of the components of that is that you turn around and see yourself, what's called otoscopy.
		And actual out-of-body experiences don't happen very often, but they must happen enough that there is a whole literature and they appear in the pilgrimage stories of almost every spiritual path.
		Doing is a much more, it's much more like daydreaming.
		And it's a way of touching the signal under normal circumstances with no trances, no drugs, no special equipment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buddy, listen, that's it.
		We're done.
		We're out of time.
		We've got to go.
		Stephen, it's been wonderful.
		Thank you.
stephan schwartz ▲ ● ▼		It's always fun to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Later.
		Stephen Schwartz, remote viewing.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Take care.
		And especially in Florida, take care.
		It's just pounding away down there.
		From the high deserts, I'm Mark Bell.
		Good night all.

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