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Aug. 8, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Steven Greer - Disclosure Project CSETI

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should have a picture up on the um on my webcam right now.
		I took a picture as the gentleman was setting up to do all of this a little earlier.
		At any rate, uh, open minds very quickly, and I'm gonna be looking for people who have had sightings.
		Actually, why don't we refine it a little bit and make these close encounters of at least the third kind?
		You know the sighting I had, the large triangle that I saw and just finished sort of telling ABC all about.
		Well, I know many of you have had similar sightings, and I'm certainly going to be looking for those of you who would like to sort of take us through it very quickly.
		Around the world right now, Mohammed Shalabi, who was a friend of the U.S., and now, my goodness, we want to arrest him for forgery and stuff, and then his, what is it, his nephew, is it, or something?
		Well, they want him for murder.
		So how quickly we fall.
		I mean, at one moment, we're giving the U.S. information, in fact, we're going to be the new Iraqi prime minister, right?
		And then the next moment, it didn't work out so well, and you're under arrest.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Protected by about 100 guards, Iraq's interim prime minister visited the war-shattered city of Najaf on Sunday, calling on Shiite militants to lay down their weapons.
		Pretty unlikely, I'd say.
		Pretty unlikely.
		Alan Keyes, the conservative Maryland political commentator, Illinois Republicans turned to after weeks of searching for a replacement for a Senate candidate, agreed to run against a rising star for the Democrats.
		And the one who gave such a strong speech, that's going to be some battle.
		That's really going to be a battle.
		You know how we've discussed, I hope you know how we've discussed the possibility that our planet, in fact, it was reported well in the New York Times or something, that our planet's magnetic field is beginning to erode to some degree.
		Well, we've got a couple of stories here that you might be interested in.
		This one's titled When Homing Pigeons Don't Come Home.
		We recently speculated that 1,500 in Sweden that, well, you didn't know this, did you, never returned home, may have been confused by the changing magnetic poles.
unidentified		Da-da!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some people think they got lost due to electronic signals, maybe from cell phone towers or something, but I don't think so.
		Pigeons have never become confused by cell phones previously, but now they are.
		The Swedish homing pigeons aren't the only ones missing either.
		About 1,600 pigeons just vanished out of 1,800 competing in a 200-mile race.
		I mean, gone.
		Now, this is the kind of thing that you become concerned with when the Earth's magnetic field may be shifting a little bit.
		Or here's an interesting headline for you.
		Storms kill 10,000 fish in the Thames.
		London last night was mopping up the floodwater and totaling up damage caused by Tuesday's freaked storms.
		I told you to watch for storms in Europe.
		Here they are.
		This one left more than 10,000 dead fish floating down the river and brought chaos to the capital's transport system.
		The fish died, it seems, after 600,000 tons of raw sewage outflowed into the river as a result of the thunderstorms, the violent thunderstorms that I told you they'd be having.
		They're having them oxygen levels in the Thames reduced to virtually nil along a stretch from Benaford with dead bream and roach piled on the banks, floating belly up in the water.
		So there you are.
		That's more of the way our world is changing.
		Our how about a little closer to home for you, Houston Reuters?
		A huge, huge dead zone of water, water so devoid of oxygen that sea life can't even live, has spread now across 5,800 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico this summer in what's become an annual occurrence now caused, they say again, by pollution.
		A scientist at the Louisiana University's Marine Consortium said Tuesday that measurements showed the dead zone extended from the mouth of the Mississippi River in southeastern Louisiana, 250 miles west to near the Texas border and was closed to shore.
		So these stories, they just go on and on and on.
		In fact, animals are disappearing from our planet right now at such an incredible rate, folks, an alarming rate, that guess what's born?
		A tissue bank that's going to store genetic material from thousands of endangered animals.
		They've set it up in the UK.
		It's called the Frozen Ark.
		That's an appropriate name.
		The Frozen Ark, as it's called, will preserve animal life codes even after their species becomes extinct.
		This is going to allow future generations of scientists to understand long-lost creatures and may also help with the conservation programs of tomorrow.
		But basically, they're going to take entire insects, small tissue samples from animals so that life is not endangered.
		Tissues may then be frozen for safekeeping.
		DNA extracted from the tissue samples, either straight after it was obtained or after freezing, for example, will then be used to bring them back.
		You know, like the dinos walk again, that kind of thing.
		Now, with ABC here tonight, you know, we're covering UFOs.
		Here's a good headline for you.
		This is from Canada, by the way.
		It seems the Canadians, the Canadians have a sky absolutely abuz with UFOs.
		As a matter of fact, there have been more sightings in Canada in the last year than in many, many years.
		They're well on their way to a record from a translucent saucer-shaped object in British Columbia to mysterious lights, buzzing motorists in New Brunswick.
		Canadians are well on their way to reporting a record-high number of UFO sightings this year.
		More than 400 stories of curious encounters were filed through the end of July, compared with just over 300 this time last year, says Ufology Research of Manitoba, a group that tracks reports of unidentified flying objects.
		At this rate, the total for 2004 is going to surpass the current record of 673 sightings reported last year.
		So the Canadians are seeing whatever it is that's flying in our skies in record numbers.
		Record numbers.
		By the way, tonight we've got the well-known ufologist leading the charge in America and maybe the world, I guess.
		For disclosure, Dr. Stephen Greer, well, he'll be here.
		And you know how many times in the past I have warned Dr. Greer that what he's doing is potentially dangerous.
		It is.
		Well, Dr. Greer has been threatened, ladies and gentlemen, and he sent along a tape which I've converted to a CD of that threat.
		I'm going to play it for you, and of course we'll play it while he's on, but it's a pretty ominous threat.
		that and your calls and your sightings i would hope in a moment stay right there and you Thank you.
		All right.
		Let's rock.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name and where are you calling from?
unidentified		My name is Aaron, and I'm calling from the Big Island in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's the weather in Hawaii?
unidentified		It's been a little bit rainy, but it's nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's up, brother?
unidentified		Well, I'm giving you a call because I'm kind of associated with some peers that are at the observatory.
unidentified		and I've heard some rumors about the Hubble being down because there might have been some sort of a flyby, and I know that you guys are going to be talking about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Slow down.
		Let's get this straight.
		The Hubble being down, as in deorbited, you mean?
unidentified		Well, no, no, no.
		As it being the, they're quote-unquote having instrument failure.
		But from what I understand, there were images like a huge, very close type of imagery that they can't really understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something the Hubble caught, you mean?
		That's correct.
		Oh, really?
unidentified		That's what I've heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, they've got instrument trouble, eh?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might I ask, please, where you got this?
unidentified		I would like to keep that quiet because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
unidentified		but one of the gentlemen that actually is at the observatory on a regular basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would classify this source as, I don't know, Goodword is unimpeachable?
		Correct.
		You would.
unidentified		And if you can ask and see if Mr. Davenport or if any of the other callers have heard the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can bet we'll look into this.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, just to be clear, you got this from somebody working actually in the Hubble program, is that correct?
unidentified		Well, working at the observatory in Hawaii that is somehow connected, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call from the islands.
		Have a good one.
unidentified		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good evening, Art.
		This is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Blair.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about Dr. Greer's 2001 disclosure video.
		A couple of testimonials given by a former staffer of the Eisenhower White House and a former Air Force E-9 fellow on NRO.
		His name was Daniel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, hold a name.
		I'll tell you what.
		You're calling about Dr. Greer, right?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've interviewed Dr. Greer over the years, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've always warned Dr. Greer that what he's doing, in other words, if everything Dr. Greer is doing is real, he's in jeopardy.
		He's potentially in jeopardy.
		If he's going to pry a secret from the government that they don't want pride open, then he's in jeopardy, isn't he?
unidentified		That is so true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now I want you to listen to something.
		All right, I want you to listen very carefully what I'm about to play, and then I want to get your reaction to it.
		This appeared on Dr. Greer's telephone.
unidentified		Email for CSETI number 249-3915.
		Recorded message dated July 19th, 2004.
		The time is 12.35 a.m.
		7.
		Saved message.
		Stop crying into the government.
		Matters who require consequences will result.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dire consequences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		5 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		4 is not a valid entry.
unidentified		To repeat this message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here it comes.
unidentified		Stop prying into the government matters who require consequences will result.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you've got it.
		Stop prying into government matters or dire consequences will result.
		If you got that on your phone, how would you feel if you were Dr. Greer?
unidentified		Well, having seen Dr. Greer at the conference in Laughlin, Nevada, I would pursue on, realizing that this is a democratic republic and the government's supposed to be working for us, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they are?
unidentified		Well, at this point, there is some challenges.
unidentified		You know, it's one of those situations where when Ike said beware of the military-industrial complex at his farewell address, it was brought to light in his video that certain of these companies were involved in the UFO phenomenon, and Ike wanted an independent civilian oversight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, do you think that the military-industrial complex is behind the aircraft that we're seeing in our skies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or how much percentage of probability do you assign to the possibility these are others from elsewhere?
unidentified		Well, probably from the studies I've done and from listening to you over the years, the ones that give off radioactive waste are probably ours, and the ones that sort of mysteriously vanish from the radar screens are probably theirs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably theirs.
		A good way to delineate between the two.
		Still, I'm afraid for Dr. Greer hearing that kind of threat, aren't you?
unidentified		Yeah, but I mean, we've got things going on now where the link between what these gentlemen are talking about with these companies and electronic voting becomes even more clear.
		And that was the thing, this proprietary secret that used to be a public trust of voting now is being sponsored, according to Beth Harris.
		She was with George Norrie in February, by 12 companies.
		And they helped put the $4 billion of taxpayer voter money to help get these machines and get this.
		They're all defense contractors, government procurement agencies, Lockheed Martin, Northridge Grumman.
		You know, it's one of those things that if people start to understand this, I think, you know, the only solution I can think of right now are if these machines go through without a paper trail, get some patriotic notary public stations outside a polling place verifying voters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, why do you think that that's one of the last instructions, one of the last things that President Eisenhower told us?
		I mean, at a moment when, you know, at the end of his presidency when he could be candid, why would he say that at that moment?
		It's like he held it back.
		He wanted to say it all the time he was president, but he waited until the very end to tell us to beware.
		Why do you think that was?
unidentified		Well, I can only quote what General Lovekin said on Dr. Greer's video.
unidentified		He quoted Eisenhower saying he was losing control and, quote, this is not going in the best hands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, thank you for the call, my friend.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		My name is Carl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Carl, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in the southeastern section of Oklahoma.
		I live on a farm out in the country.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		I've had five different sightings here in the last year.
		The closest one was about a quarter of a mile from the house, and it was about 50 feet off the ground.
		You could see the trees in back of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's closer than mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50 feet?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly were you seeing at 50 feet?
unidentified		It was a white light, a round orb of light, unlike any light that you've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You say orb of light.
		That implies almost like, I don't know, an energy or something that might be a spirit.
		It might even be more like a spirit than it is a spacecraft.
unidentified		Yeah, instead of technology.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
		And it was floating.
		Have you ever seen The Wizard of Oz?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		The globe when it floats in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		It was floating like that.
		It was about 1.30 in the morning, and I had gone out to check our guineas.
		We have guinea fowl here on the farm, and the coyotes and the hood owls are eating the guineas up at night.
		So I took my flashlight and go out and check ever so many hours in the evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so all in all, what do you think you saw?
unidentified		I have no idea.
unidentified		I flashed the light at it three times, my flashlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a Dr. Greer move to me.
unidentified		To let it know that I had seen it.
unidentified		And it reduced itself down to a pinpoint and then just disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, I want to talk to you a little bit about the advisability of what you did.
		You know, I'm respectful of whatever in the hell it is out there, and I'm not so sure there are friends.
		I'm really not.
		I assign at least a 50% probability, if not more, to the possibility that whatever this is, it's not good.
		It's not going to be a good thing for you.
		And taking your flashlight and shining it on that thing three times is almost like saying, well, okay, you're a shark, huh?
		Well, here I am.
		Have an arm.
		Don't you worry about that a little?
unidentified		No, I've seen probably 40 or more in my lifetime.
unidentified		I'm 64 years old, and I don't fear them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've seen a lot.
		I mean, I'm 59, and I've only seen two.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And maybe what he saw was not a craft of any kind, but rather some sort of spirit or essence or something, which is another aspect of what we cover on this program.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		This is Desert Chad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Chad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in the desert, pray to hell, are you?
unidentified		Actually, I'm the former operator of the Mojave Desert phone booth.
unidentified		I chatted with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		This man went out into the middle of the desert.
		This guy went out into the middle of the desert to a phone booth that hardly anybody in the world knew existed and made a call to me from it.
		And as a consequence of that call, I believe the phone company, doing what the phone company does when they have something like this, went out and took the booth away.
unidentified		They did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And they chased me out of the desert.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was the end of that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		Anyway, I'm calling you from beautiful downtown San Francisco right now.
		And the last time I talked to you, I had a sighting out there, my second trip to the phone booth, and I never got into the details of it with you.
		And I got a lot of emails saying, why didn't you tell Art about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
		I mean, Art's only on the show doing a show about this kind of thing.
		So how could you, and why did you not tell me?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're in this phone booth, this rare out-in-the-middle of nowhere phone booth in the desert, and you saw why.
unidentified		Yes, it was, I was enjoying the view.
		As you know, you can see the whole Milky Way out there.
		There's no lighting.
		And so I'm looking at the stars, and then I noticed this yellow light.
		It just kind of popped into view.
		Actually, there was a flash, and then a few seconds later, this light was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then it dropped down a little bit, and then it started zigzagging.
unidentified		Zigzagging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a way that a military aircraft, for example, couldn't do.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		Yeah, there's no way.
		This thing was rocking back and forth, and it was getting bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of UFOs are seen rocking back and forth, and I wonder what that motion means.
unidentified		I have no idea, but this gets really strange.
		When it came down, it swung in the sky around, and I was looking out my side window of my van.
		I had to turn around and look out the window of my back door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this thing was maybe, I would say about the distance 500 feet back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		500 feet.
unidentified		Roughly.
		I'm pretty good at distance here.
		And the height was about six telephone poles high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a saucer?
unidentified		It was.
		Yeah, this is the part of the story I don't tell too many people because it's okay.
		It looked like one of those 1950 B-movie flying saucers.
		It didn't look real.
		It looked totally fake.
		And it started rocking, tipping on end-to-end.
		I thought it was just going to fall onto the desert floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Chad.
		Maybe they were making a movie.
		Did that occur to you?
unidentified		You know, I had thought that, but then the way it took off, I thought there was no way.
unidentified		I mean, that thing shot off so quick toward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you were out there in the middle of the desert where a movie company would do that sort of thing.
		Or on the other hand, where something like this genuinely would appear.
		All right, listen, Chad, I got a bug out.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, brother.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		from the high desert in the middle of the night where we do our business this is close to close the air Bumumba, abumba,
unidentified		abumba, abumba.
		Bumumba, abumba, abumba, abumba, abumba.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		I love this song.
		You know, it's occasionally used on a new series called Dead Like Me, which I am totally in love with.
		Dead Like Me is pretty twisted, but then again, so am I. I'm Art Bell, and we're doing, I don't know, kind of exciting reports tonight on the way to Dr. Greer at the top of the hour.
		So in a moment, we continue with you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you listen yourself, as I played that threat that Dr. Greer got on the telephone, with regard to what he does, telling him to basically shut up or else.
		I mean, how would you react if you got something like that on your phone?
		Would it shut you down?
		Would it make you angry?
		What would you do if you got something like that on your phone?
		Doing what Dr. Greer does?
		What would your reaction to it be?
		I know Dr. Greer, and it's going to be to plow forward.
		But for some reason, he considered that one, I guess, important enough to include with his visit this evening.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Uh, the UFO story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't sound very old to me.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm fifteen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew it.
		All right.
		So, fifteen, and you've already had something happen to you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, proceed.
unidentified		It was about third grade, and me and my friends, neighborhood people, were just standing at the bus stop in the morning, and it was kind of dark.
		Ah.
		And, like, a UFO, like a circular thing with a whole bunch of lights on it, was like about not very far.
		You could, like, see it probably looking up, probably about 100 feet in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many total of you were waiting for the bus when you saw this?
unidentified		About five or six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About five or six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all five or six saw this object.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty cool.
unidentified		Yeah, like add, like, lights around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of the country are you in?
unidentified		St. Joe, Michigan.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you've lived in Michigan all this time?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that's where it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where you saw the object there in Michigan.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now describe it as best you can.
unidentified		It was like circular lights around the border of it, and it had like a light coming out of it, like a flashlight thing looking around, and like it kind of just went up and kind of like disappeared in a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are, folks.
		Out of the mouths of babes, I guess.
		How do you feel about it now?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this what do you think, kind of cool?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think you saw?
unidentified		A UFO?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
		You're not saying you saw an alien craft, right?
		You saw a UFO.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, thanks.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good night.
unidentified		You too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		All right.
		Out of the mouths of AIDS, indeed.
		In the third grade, mind you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air coast to coast AM with Arpell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, Mr. Bell.
		I have a sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, you sound like the voice on the threat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on a cell phone, right?
unidentified		No, sir.
		Yes, I am, unfortunately.
		Okay.
		I know what you think of cell phones.
		Yeah, well.
		But it's great to get through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's great to me.
		It's great that you got through.
		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, this happened back in 1985, and I'm calling from Minnesota, and it was at about 9 or 10 o'clock at night, and I was out walking along a schoolyard, and it was kind of a school and a football field.
		And it was a dark sky.
		It was bright, but there was no moon out.
		And it was a clear night.
		And I looked overhead at what they would call my zenith.
		And I saw some sort of a jet stream or some sort of a band of light, you know, maybe a con trail or a chemtrail or something that I just really couldn't figure out what it was.
		But I looked to the east, maybe about, oh, just 45 degrees, and I saw three black objects, and they were triangles.
		And they were in the shape of a pure triangle, and they were making these incredible maneuvers, these 45-degree angle-type turns and darting around.
		And they had no lights on them at all.
		And I heard no sound at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the cloud.
		You know, I got these guys from ABC here tonight, right?
		They're filming.
		And I just finished telling them in great detail the story, just like very nearly what you just told me.
		And once it's happened to you, you know, we were talking about that.
		Once you've seen something like this, your life, it really can never be the same, can it?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Those who haven't experienced don't understand it.
		And I've tried to tell people, and they kind of wonder, but you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They can't fully understand it.
		They'll never understand it.
		But then once you've seen it, it's all over.
		Your life has changed.
		And that's what I tried to impart.
		I didn't do it nearly so well as you're doing it for me.
unidentified		Thank you.
		It's a different matter, but I can continue for just a bit here, but they flew to the north, and it was like they up and just took off.
		And it took about five seconds for them to go to the horizon.
		And they were about the size of, if you fully extend your arm up into the sky, they would have been about the size of your hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty big.
unidentified		So they were big, and I would suppose they might have been maybe 800 feet up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, brother, thank you for the report.
		And you take care.
		There you go.
		To those who have not had the experience, there would be no way to explain it without A, having them chuckle or B, having them just sort of shake their head or agree with you out of politeness and then go away and go.
		But he's seen.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am in a small town outside of Birmingham, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Birmingham, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Called Pleasant Grove.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yell at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud, so you've got to yell at me.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
		There's a coal mine behind my house here.
		And when I was a kid, I was about 12 years old.
		This is probably 1983.
		I'm 32 now.
		A friend and I were camping by these coal mines.
		And you had a guest on your show not too long ago that described up in Seattle the I-5 corridor what he saw up there, the big triangular ship.
		When we were camping out there, when I was a kid, we saw this exact, I mean, same thing that he described to you.
		I mean, the lights, the way he described it and everything, there was no sound.
		Huge.
		This thing was massive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
		You know, it really is incredible.
		Of course, I don't plan anything I do here on the air, but I was just hoping that I would get reports maybe similar to the report that I had made, you know, those years ago.
		And here you guys are, man, in force.
		I can't believe it.
		One after another, after another, after another.
unidentified		I mean, I'm a first-time caller.
		I've been trying to get through to you ever since I heard him say that.
		I mean, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up when he described that.
		And I've never, you know, told many people about it for the very reason, I mean, the recording that you played earlier.
		You know, I mean, people think you're crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you heard that, if you had received that recording, if you had Dr. Greer's job, which, first of all, I'm sure you wouldn't, but if you did and you got a recording, you got a threat like that, how would you react?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		I would be scared to dead.
		I mean, I really would.
		I mean, it makes me mad just hearing the recording.
		Because, I mean, the government, they try to, you know, they hide this stuff.
		There's no reports in our newspapers.
		I mean, the things that go on in Mexico, nothing's ever been reported.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know it's not reported.
		Why do you think that our government doesn't say anything about it?
		This is another discussion we were having earlier.
		Why do you think that our government would hold all of this secret?
		What's their motive in doing so?
unidentified		I feel like it's, I mean, well, they say that it's because of fear, you know, widespread panic.
		But I don't think that's it.
		I think there's another, there's something else behind it than widespread panic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although there would be that.
		You know, there is, of course, the Brookings study, and you know what that said.
		That said basically that institutions would actually be tumbled, beginning maybe, by the way, with the scientists.
		And then let's not forget religions and others that would be so affected.
		So that's one motive.
unidentified		Right, but there's so many, I mean, there's so much evidence, so much evidence.
unidentified		The guy that George Norrie talks about, Billy, I'm not sure what his last name is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meyer?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I mean, the evidence that's out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but there are people, there's also people out there who think the Meyer case is a big hoax.
unidentified		There's too much evidence.
unidentified		I mean, there's just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of photographic evidence, sir, but there's a lot of people who think the whole Meyer thing is a hoax.
		And there's web pages dedicated to the fact that Meyer is a hoax.
		I'm not saying so.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that every single thing in ufology is fought over like dogs over a scrap of meat.
unidentified		Oh, right.
		But I know what I saw.
		I mean, I'll never forget it as long as I live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		You know what you saw.
		I know what I saw.
		But others and will laugh.
		Thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Top of the morning to you.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Matt in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Matt.
unidentified		Hey, got a sighting for you.
unidentified		It happened last summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Okay.
		I was taking my mom to the store, went up to the stop sign.
		And to the left of me, we have an old college.
		And there's a bell tower.
		And up above the bell tower, I kind of looked over, and something, it was huge, it was cigar-shaped.
		It was silver.
		It was so bright, the sun was hitting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		It hurt your eyes.
		So I turned away, kind of rubbed my eyes.
		And when I looked back, it was gone.
		Me and my mother both saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would classify it, though, as almost as bright as the sun.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, even brighter.
unidentified		It was like somebody shot a spotlight into your eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is it you think you saw?
unidentified		Who knows?
		Don't know.
		It was gone when I looked back, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever it was, let's try this out on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it's appropriate that our government really, really, really put an effort and money into finding out what these things are?
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		Especially the guest you're going to have on, the letter recording you got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		That just gives him ammo, really.
		The government isn't thinking of that.
		Maybe just giving him ammo now.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		We'll find out how he reacts to it shortly.
		All right, thanks.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take care of another one for you.
		You're on the Air Coast Coast AM with Arpelle.
		Hi there.
unidentified		This is Mary from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm great.
unidentified		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was in Austin five months ago, and I look up in the sky around midnight, clear night, three points of light.
		The weird thing about them was they did not stay equidistant from each other.
		They wavered closer and further from each other, just a little bit.
		It was really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like they were doing a dance?
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
		And they went over the rooftops so that I couldn't see it.
		But it happened.
		The weird thing is I had just had my purse stolen and my friend brought it back.
		But I had screamed at the teenagers running off with my purse, screaming at them.
		And I'm wondering if all the commotion attracted the UFO.
		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were how old again?
unidentified		Oh, this happened five months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five months ago.
unidentified		I'm 50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to make a comment about teenagers and excess energy, but you weren't teen, obviously, or either.
unidentified		When I was a kid, I saw one of those silver oval things that was silent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And it just wavered.
		It stopped to look at me.
		I looked down at my dog.
		My dog was shivering like a leaf.
		And I thought, if the dog is scared, I'm scared.
		And I ran into the house, didn't look back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's smart stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A dog knows when to be scared.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Sorry, didn't mean to cut you off.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Ho.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Is our bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and you're on a cell phone, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes, I am, unfortunately, and I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two steps to the rear for mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cell phone.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		I apologize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite all right, sir.
unidentified		And I have an encounter story that I think that you'll find fascinating.
		My name's Philip.
		I'm calling from Los Angeles.
		But I grew up in Amarillo, Texas, which I understand is your old stomping ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I spent 18 months at Amarillo Air Force Base.
unidentified		There you are.
unidentified		Well, I had what I thought was a dream as a child that I encountered some type of strange being that had 10 fingers on each hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ten fingers on each hand.
unidentified		Yeah, so I'm curious if anyone else has ever experienced that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of, I believe I've heard of an extra finger.
		That's all I've ever heard of.
		You know, six fingers?
		Yeah, I've heard of that.
		That's a human anomaly that sometimes occurs.
		But ten?
		Ten.
		No way.
unidentified		No way.
unidentified		The story gets a lot better here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better than ten fingers.
unidentified		Yeah, better than ten fingers.
		As I grew up, I was in a bookstore, and I was in the New Age section, and I ran across a book that was kind of interesting-looking, and I looked through it, and it was about a person who has experienced contacts with aliens throughout this person's life, and had illustrations of each being.
		Well, I'm going through the illustrations, and I think you can guess what happened next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		I turned to the page, and there's the ten-finger man looking at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What more can you tell me about the ten?
		Now, nothing on earth has ten fingers.
unidentified		Exactly.
		The only reason I remember this being...
		No.
		It was a very different-looking type of being.
		I would have to say maybe more reptilian-like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then they'd be appendages, sort of.
unidentified		Yeah, but there were actually fingers, though, on the hands.
unidentified		And I remember the fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fingers as in joints and fingernails and that kind of human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Exactly.
		But I want to say reptilian, but I'm not really sure if it's reptilian or not.
		Well, because I can't really remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, does the word scaly come to mind?
unidentified		No, not really.
		Not really.
		And it's more like a brown color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of reptilian.
unidentified		Maybe not a reptilian, huh?
		So 10 fingers, there I am looking at it, at the picture, and I almost passed out.
		I almost fainted in the store because there's the being, and I had totally forgotten about it, and there it is, staring me face to face.
		And I want to curious if anyone else has ever experienced that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, but imagine what it could do on a piano.
		Ten fingers.
		Woo-hoo.
		Wildcard line, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		My name's Rami.
		I'm down here by Zapa, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Texas, and also on a cell phone.
unidentified		I'm on a cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably even in a truck, huh?
unidentified		Yep, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Prove it.
		Let's hear it.
		Yeah, all right.
unidentified		That'll do.
unidentified		I was up in Missouri last year, and I saw a winged aircraft with no windows and no tailfins, and just flying about 12, I'd say about 30 feet off the ground and doing about 70 miles an hour at the top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say winged, that brings to mind more of a bird than a plane.
unidentified		Well, I had a plane with me at the time.
		I told her to grab her camcorder and take a picture of it.
		And by the time I said that, I looked over again.
		That plane was taking off and leaving us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it was a plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was not a bird.
unidentified		Well, it wasn't, you know, it was, from what I can find out, like, your wind or your triangle craft.
		Yes.
		That's what it looked like.
		But it didn't have any windows, didn't have a bubble where the pilot would sit or anything.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the description.
		That's all I can say.
		And thank you.
		All right, take care.
		From the cell phone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the Air Coast to Coast Day and with Art Bell.
		Howdy.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Iris Colin from Howard Beach, New York City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New York City, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		77W ABC.
unidentified		That's correct.
		Yes.
		I just want to let you know, I also saw one of those large black triangular UFOs here in Manhattan five years or six years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see in Manhattan, how many people live in Manhattan?
unidentified		Oh, probably about two million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At that time of the night, there's at least two million people in Manhattan, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I was just walking down 8th Avenue at about 11.05 p.m., and this crazy guy started talking to me about Jesus.
unidentified		And he goes, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen those guys in Manhattan.
unidentified		Yeah, there's plenty of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's at me, he says, look.
unidentified		Yeah, he yells at me while he doesn't yell.
		He just says, look, and he points his finger up in the sky.
		And I said, okay, why?
		What are you looking at?
		He says, no, look again.
		And there in the sky was, and you could barely make it out because it was very dark where it was flying.
		It was, you know, some cloud cover.
		And I had the Empire State Building in view, so it gave me kind of a sense of how big this thing was.
		Sure.
		And it was moving very slowly with the cloud cover.
		So you really couldn't see.
		You could barely make out the outline of this thing.
		And I kind of followed it for about 15 minutes and then it was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in Manhattan, when you're walking down the street, your eyes are normally not in the sky at all, are they?
		Unless you look up at maybe the Empress State or something.
		But otherwise, your eyes are directly ahead of you.
		And you've got to watch where you're going in Manhattan.
		And so that would account for why not that many people saw it.
		But you're claiming this thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it evidently overflew New York City.
unidentified		And I never heard about a triangular UFO until I looked it up and I found that you had seen one.
unidentified		And I said, I saw the picture, the artist's rendition, and I said, that's what I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw exactly what I saw.
unidentified		Yeah, it was huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you go out and tell people about it?
unidentified		Yeah, I told people, but they think I'm crazy anyway, so it doesn't matter.
unidentified		But I know what I saw, so I'm not, no, I don't, no, it doesn't bother me, but I know I saw something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not so crazy, my friend.
unidentified		No, not at all.
unidentified		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, it's a perfect capstone from Manhattan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your telephone call.
unidentified		Oh, I appreciate you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		All right, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		Oh, there you have it.
		Coming up, the man leading the charge, Dr. Stephen Greer.
		And, of course, we'll discuss this call I played for you in the first hour.
		In fact, Nick will do the whole thing.
		There's more to it.
		From the high deserts, as the night progresses across the land, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. Interested in the trip to the moon?
unidentified		Some majority of the city of the city of the city.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right, we've been doing sightings tonight, so what we're about to do is absolutely appropriate.
		Coming up, Dr. Stephen Greer.
		Now, Dr. Greer is founder and CEO of Space Energy Access Systems, also the founder and director of the Disclosure Project.
		And that might be why it gets some threats.
		He's an emergency room physician and a former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital.
		Dr. Greer is a lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society.
		He's appeared on all kinds of TV programs to include Larry King, CBS, BBC, NTV and Japan.
		Dr. Greer has been supervising a worldwide search for alternative energy sources, specifically those known as Zero Point or Over Unity devices, with the plan to identify and develop systems which will eliminate the need for fossil fuels.
		Ladies and gentlemen, coming up in a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer Dr. Stephen Greer has been at the front of the parade with regard to disclosure.
		Dr. Stephen Greer has been the man putting his life on the line and trying to pull or dredge from the government or civilians or pilots or anybody he can the information about what we're going through here on earth with unidentified flying objects.
		And one of the reasons, I think one of the main motivations, though he can speak with his own tongue on this issue, is that if they are there, that means they have a propulsion system that would free the world from the war for oil.
		I mean, you know, basically, folks, you can reason many, you can look at many reasons why we might be at war right now, but oil's got to be somewhere near the top of the list equals energy equals if they've got it, we need it.
		And I think that's what he's chasing.
		But I don't know.
		I'd like to let Dr. Greer speak for himself.
		Dr. Greer, you're an emergency room physician, for goodness sakes.
		Why are you doing what you're doing?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, because we know that the information contained within this whole subject has the potential for transforming the direction of the human race right now at this critical time.
		That the covert programs running these sort of projects are not only illegal and rogue, but they're sitting on the solution to much of the world's problems.
		And I think that we have to realize that until we demand and not only demand, but also organize ourselves to bring this information out, we're going to continue on the path we're on of increasing shortages of oil, oil wars, pollution, economic chaos, as well as environmental chaos.
		And this is not necessary.
		A lot of people see this as an inevitability when in reality it's a completely artificial situation which we have created and only we can fix.
		So this is really key to this.
		But the other part of it is, of course, that if we are being visited by advanced civilizations from other realms and other worlds, which I'm quite certain we are, then we have to ask this very important, almost existential question.
		Who speaks for planet Earth?
		Who is running the show?
		And on our behalf?
		And what are they doing?
		And as Brigadier General Lovkin, who's one of our disclosure project witnesses, said, Eisenhower was very concerned about this in the late 50s and says, you know, this whole matter is not going to be in the best of hands.
		And so it has turned out to be.
		And I'm quoting.
		So it's a very important question of at this time in our history that humanity step up to the plate and begin to understand that not only are we not alone, but that there are clandestine programs that have spent literally hundreds of billions of dollars of our tax dollars to develop advanced energy and propulsion systems and to study this whole area, and yet we are not benefiting from it.
		Let me go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, let me be clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you suggesting that these energy systems, whether we have back-engineered them from craft that have crashed, or we've engineered them on our own, either way, you're convinced that these energy systems, these propulsion systems, they're real, one way or the other?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have no doubt that they're real.
		We have people who have actually worked on these programs.
		We have people who have worked within the corporate aspect of the covert group dealing with this and have developed these energy and propulsion systems.
		We know that by, you know, my mother's brother, my maternal uncle, was a senior project engineer at Grumman that designed the lunar module.
		And by the time that thing landed on the moon, we were already test flying electrogravitic and magnetogravitic, so-called anti-gravity propulsion systems that were up flying around.
		I have a photograph of one of these things maneuvering in 1964 over Provo, Utah.
		And this was not an extraterrestrial vehicle.
		This is one made by the good old US of A. So here we are still using fossil fuels when we don't need them.
		We're in Iraq.
		We're in the Middle East in places where we're not wanted.
		We have our sons and daughters dying on the battlefield.
		And this is preventable.
		And we need to realize how important this issue is.
		This is not just about little green men or something.
		This is about the way we're living on Earth and what the future of the human race will be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly right.
		Now, over the years, you have encouraged, by hook or crook, one way or the other, a lot of people to come forward, military people, pilots, you know, credible witnesses, very credible witnesses, and you've been prepared to meet with Congress and have a gigantic disclosure.
		In other words, in essence, the smoking gun accumulation of evidence that would prove in court all of this is real.
		In my view, that's always been, and I've discussed this with you many times, a somewhat dangerous occupation.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's interesting.
		You know, in 2001, we had the disclosure event at the National Press Club, and that was the most watched press event in the history of the Internet, by the way.
		And that summer, a three-star general told one of our military witnesses that they said, you know, this has upset some people.
		Dr. Ger should be checking under his car for bombs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I laugh.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I said, well, I'm not too worried about that because we have other systems in place, which I won't go into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you still laughing?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not.
		Well, only in the sense that we are not the kind of people who get intimidated by threats.
		And if I was, I would have pulled out of this in 1992 when the former head of Army Intelligence and other people were trying to push me in that direction.
		So my view of it is that we have a responsibility to step up and do the right thing to get this information out.
		And I have to remind people that as recently as a couple months ago, I was meeting with a member of Congress who's very good friends with John Kerry and discussing this whole matter, and particularly the energy issue, as it relates to it.
		And there is enormous interest within Congress.
		There was enormous interest in the Clinton administration, as you know I met with very senior people in the Clinton administration.
		I'm well aware, yes.
		And yet, the problem is that nobody wants to act.
		And they're not acting because they're afraid.
		And we cannot give in to fear.
		And I have never given in to fear, and I will never give in to fear.
		Although those things have been attempted.
		And I think that what I tell people is that if you understand what's at stake, look, I'm an emergency doctor.
		I've taken care of people killed over 50-cent beers.
		This is more important than a 50-cent beer.
		So you can't worry about that.
		You take adequate precautions.
		I'm on the radio tonight with you as a precautionary move, quite frankly.
		And I think that the people listening, the millions of people listening to this right now need to understand that they will not stand for this kind of intimidation, that the world deserves to know the truth and needs to know the truth.
		And we cannot let anyone intimidate us otherwise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here was an attempt at intimidation.
		This phone call came in when, Doctor?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		This came in just about two or three weeks ago at the CSETI line outside D.C. Here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Email for CSETI number 301-249-3915.
		Recorded message.
		Dated July 19th, 2004.
		The time is 12.35 a.m. 7th.
		Saved message.
		Stop crying into the government.
		Matters who require consequences will result.
		July 19th, 12, 30, 5 a.m.
		or we're not going to bring out here with us Stop crying into the government.
		matters or by consequences we will revoke.
		That was July 19th, 12, 30, 5 a.m.
		To repeat.
		Stop crying into the government.
		Matters who require consequences will result.
		Let's have it stay for 24 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little more.
unidentified		The number on the caller ID for this call was 649-486-3151.
		And according to the internet, a 649 number is in the Turks and Caicos Island, C-A-I-C-O-S, in the Caribbean.
		And when calling this number back, you get the message, call cannot be completed as dial.
		Please check the number and dial again.
		WA001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Greer?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So obviously, this, you know, I would presume you've probably had a lot of threats over the years.
		Why did you choose to send the audio of this one along?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		The reason I chose to send the audio of this one along and to also, a key point to this, is that when you call the number that caller ID showed it was coming from, it's a non-existent number.
		This is an electronically altered voice.
		So, you know, is this a threat you take seriously?
		Yes.
		Is it something that alters anything we'll do?
		No.
		If anything, we will redouble our efforts.
		Now, the reason I think people need to know about this sort of thing is that it proves the point I made back in the 90s when we had briefed the CIA director for President Clinton, for CIA director.
		We had briefed the head of intelligence joint staff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people, Doctor, a lot of people have no idea that was actually done, that the CIA director was briefed.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know, and this is something we need to talk about and why things are still going the way they are.
		But people were intimidated.
		And what I'm saying to people is that our assessment was that this group, because we were given direct intelligence from the President of the United States and his CIA director and his Secretary of Defense and pertinent members of the Senate Intelligence Committee and other senior members of Congress, that when they made directed inquiries into this matter, that they were denied access or flat-out lied to.
		This is illegal.
		And believe me, if this was a legitimate government operation instead of a rogue and illegal operation, you would not be getting phone calls like this threatening a civilian medical doctor to back down off of what he is doing because we're about to pull more information out to the public in the next six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I understand your reaction.
		What about those around you?
		What about the people who took the call?
		What about the people who heard about the call?
		How did the others at CSETI react?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that the woman's voice you hear on that tape is a trusted assistant and friend who is aware of the threat.
		I mean, she and others who work with me are aware that this is not a risk-free operation.
		I've said for years this is not for the saint of heart.
		But I also remind people that not a single disclosure project witness, and we have people who even into the 90s had top-secret SCI, special and compartmented intelligence clearances, none of them have gotten a phone call saying, be quiet and don't talk about this.
		Now, I have continued to get these sort of things where it said, stop what you're doing, but we're simply not going to respond to that.
		Now, let's say, you know, if you analyze this carefully, what you have to conclude is that the group that has phoned this in and have done other things cannot be operating under legal constitutional authority.
		If they wanted me to stop this, they could just slap an order on me.
		Hey, John Ashcroft or Dick Cheney can come and say, hey, and they can issue and do an in-camera proceeding and muzzle me.
		Good luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll go to jail first.
		Doctor, has it occurred to you that they understand you're a really good Person to go to a witness, somebody who's really seen something or worked in their career, their government career in a sensitive area and really knows something.
		They know you're a good person to get that information from people.
		And maybe they know that there are some people yet out there who are about ready to start talking.
		We're all getting a little older, Doctor.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there are some people.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We have 450 of these witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they know you're about to get to one of them.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have them.
		And there are some major media events, as you know, that are being planned, some by outside media and some by our group, the Disclosure Project.
		And we intend to continue to move these things out into the public.
		I think the other thing is that we are very close to identifying some scientists who can reproduce the modus operandi of these so-called UFOs, including the anti-gravity effect.
		So one of the things that is inevitable is that the truth is going to be known.
		The only question is when and how.
		And I think the sooner the better.
		Because the longer we wait, the longer we're going to cannibalize our planet, and the longer we're going to plunge this planet into chaos and war and environmental damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been watching very carefully, have you, the environmental situation in the world right now.
		It's really beginning to get rather dire.
		So if it's depending on that, which it really is, you would think then, based on that, we're getting close.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think anyone with an IQ over mud can look at the world around us and know that something is terribly wrong.
		They can't quite put their finger on it.
		And there are a lot of people active in a lot of different vineyards tilling away.
		But the central thing that people don't understand is that we're 50 years living on borrowed time.
		That a lot of people think that what we're doing is very visionary and futuristic.
		And I say, oh, on the contrary, this is all information that should have come out before I was born in 1955.
		And in fact, could have come out, including the energy and propulsion systems.
		And so we are living on a planet and it's a civilization that has stayed on its current trajectory for half a century too long, and we need a course correction.
		And if we don't make it, it'll be made for us, because simply the Earth cannot withstand 6 billion people living the way we do in the West with our cars and SUVs and air conditioning and coal-burning power plants.
		This is not an option.
		It cannot go on for that much longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they're likely to let you break this open, or do you think they're more likely to break you if you get too close?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these kinds of warnings, the kind of thing we play tonight, that's got to be a little precautionary for you.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		But remember that we've been getting these for about 12 years.
		And it's nothing that...
		You know, there's a constitutional attorney that I've worked with on this project who has said, you know, what you're describing is the mother of all RICOs, the Racketeering Influence Corrupt Organization Act, where you're dealing with an illegal, clandestine, terra-governmental group that's transnational, similar to what they portray in the Manchurian candidate, this movie.
		On top of that, you have corporate and financial interests that have done absolutely illegal things, up to and including assassinations.
		Now, I want to talk about an assassination tonight that people may not want to hear, but it's very similar to what was portrayed in the Manchurian candidate when this senator is killed while he's out kayaking on the Chesapeake Bay.
		I'm referring now to a very brave man, CIA Director Bill Colby, whose very dearest friend approached us in the mid-90s.
		And the week that we were going to have a meeting, listen carefully, the week we were going to have a meeting with this CIA, former CIA Director, who had been on the inside of these covert operations, where he was going to transfer to our group $50 million in funding, as well as existing extraterrestrial energy devices that were functional.
		They found him floating down the Potomac River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		The colonel who set up this meeting came to the funeral of my right-hand aide, Sherry Adamack, who died a few years ago, and said, we have both had grievous losses, but we can't look back.
		We've got to move forward.
		And this was Bill Colby's best friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Under what arrangements, how did, I mean, $50 million, for example, under what auspices, how was that going to happen?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We never got that far.
		And nor did Mr. Colby.
		My point is this, and I'm not saying this to disturb Bill Colby's family, but I've decided that the truth has got to come out on some of these things, including these illegal rogue operations that would phone in a threat like this to a civilian medical doctor.
		I've never signed a national security oath.
		And those people who have who are listening, mark my word, go to our website, disclosureproject.org, and contact me because as far as I'm concerned, the actions taken by this group make them ineligible to cite the National Security Act of 1947 or any other constitutionally approved law because they are operating as an illegal, extra-constitutional entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
		All right.
		Dr. Greer, hold tight.
		In the middle of the night, you're listening to Coast to Coast AM, and I bet you have never heard any of this before from Dr. Greer.
		I like the one that got away.
		The big one that got away.
		And boy, it died away.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Without Dr. Greer just told us so fantastic that it bears repeating.
		So I think that's exactly what we're gonna do.
		We're gonna have to repeat all this in a moment.
		Uh the murder of a former CIA head.
		just before something really big was going to happen in ufology.
unidentified		Ufology No.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just to be sure that we all heard this correctly, let's have Dr. Greer go over this one more time.
		A murder, Dr. Greer, you're saying a murder.
		Yes.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And the setup to this was, well, my group was approached by a colonel, who I do not want to name, who was Bill Colby, one of its very best friends.
		And they had been following what we were doing in the early and mid-90s with what was then called Project Starlight, which then became disclosureproject.org.
		But this man approached a member of our board of directors, a very dear friend of mine, and said that there was this person who is very connected up and historically been connected to these projects, who absolutely agreed that it was time to end the secrecy.
		He wanted to transfer to us the means to do so through some assets that he had access to.
		And I was told specifically that he wanted to be sure that there was adequate funding to do it properly, which was around $50 million, which is a rounding error on the $7 trillion oil economy.
		And that they had some devices and physical equipment that they wanted to also transfer so that we could get this disclosed and get it secured and out to the public.
		So there was a cell, if you want to look at it that way, that was headed up that had some involvement from Mr. Colby that wanted to do this.
		So the meeting was set up between a member of my board and Bill Colby, and the week that that meeting was to be actuated, he was found floating down the Potomac River.
		Now what's interesting about the death of Bill Colby was that even his wife out on CNN and said, oh, this is very unlike Bill Colby because he was a very safe canoeer.
		He left the house open.
		He left the computer on, the coffee maker on, and all this.
		And this was actually publicly and very briefly stated.
		But then, of course, it was written off as an accidental drowning while he was out canoeing on the Potomac River.
		Now, in reality, it's very much like what's being portrayed where Art now is imitating life in the Manchurian candidate, where there is a senator who is going to blow the whistle on this transnational group that was running all this, and he is murdered by this Manchurian candidate in the Chesapeake Bay when he's out kayaking, and it's made to look like a drowning accident, and it's reported out through the media shills.
		Of course, most of the big media are shills for these kind of guys, or just extremely naive, as an accidental drowning.
		So what's interesting is that this is precisely what happened to Bill Colby, and I've said this to a number of people who are actually in the media.
		And my wife and I were sitting there looking at this movie, The Manchurian Canada, we were stunned.
		We looked at each other and went, oh my God, because my wife, of course, knew in real time as this event happened.
		And of course, it was tragic.
		And we were heartbroken.
		And, of course, not long after that, my right-hand assistant and best friend in all these efforts, Sherry Adamack, she died.
		And this colonel came to her wake that was held at her apartment in Denver.
		And he just came up to me and he said, you know, of course, Bill Colby was killed trying to get the truth out on this to help us.
		And you guys have had your own losses.
		But we can't look back.
		We can't dwell on the negative.
		We can't look back.
		We have to move forward.
		And that's my message to people.
		that's always have how we have to have i know but if you believe what you just told me then I know it's true.
		I mean, I know it's just for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you know it to be true what you just told me, then that means they will kill to prevent any really serious damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They will kill to stop any really serious damage.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		If they can get away with it, remember those were the early days.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We didn't have the systems we had in place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, if they can get away with killing a former CIA director, they can sure get away with killing an emergency room doctor.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps, but except he was doing this in a very clandestine way.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I am not doing what I'm doing in a clandestine way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True enough.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing to remember is that we're much more sophisticated now than we were back in the mid-90s when this happened.
		And we have enormous support within some of the groups that are running these covert projects who want to see this happen.
		And I don't lose Any sleep.
		I don't lose one minute of sleep over this, and none of the military witnesses working with me should.
		Now, it's not to say it's risk-free.
		You know, one of the things I say to people is that, my God, you know, when I leave here to go back to my hotel here at Mount Shasta, I could be hit by a Mac truck out of control coming down the mountain and be killed.
		There are risks with everything we do, but you also have to look at the benefits.
		You know, if we're being visited by intelligent life out there, and if there are covert programs that are sitting on technologies that could give us an entirely sustainable, long-term civilization without the need for damaging the environment, without the need for 80% of the world's population living in abject poverty, is it not worth some risk?
		Well, it is.
		Now, I mean, you know, I know I hate to sound clinical about this, like a doctor talking about the risk-to-benefit ratios, but in reality, that's what it really comes down to, isn't it?
		And if we're not willing to step up the plate on something this important, then we're really not worth breathing the free air of Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm certainly with you.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, this is why you're so great for doing this kind of show and letting someone like me talk to millions of people about what's really going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I'm looking at the whole world situation.
		I look carefully, as you know, at the environment.
		I wrote with Whitley Street at the coming global superstorm, made it into a big movie, environmental impact type stuff.
		I see what's going on in the world, and it seems to me that if our situation, which is becoming rather dire in my opinion, you bet, is going to proceed exponentially quicker and quicker down the path we're going and something doesn't intervene, we've got trouble really immediately ahead.
		Big trouble.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		You bet, we do.
		And there's a wonderful Chinese saying that I often like to quote that says, you know, unless we change directions, we're likely to end up where we're going.
		And everyone laughs.
		And I say, well, you need to look at where we're going.
		You have to take the pulse of things.
		And yet what I say to people is that the earth is going to be here, and humanity is going to be here.
		The question is, are we willing to manifest the courage and exercise our free will?
		I mean, speaking sort of metaphysically, if you will, this is the sphere of free will.
		And we can use it for good or for ill.
		And it's time for the good people to step up to the plate.
		I want to tell you a story.
		I mean, maybe I'm talking out of turn and it's late and I'm jet-lagged and everything.
		But I was with Claiborne Pell, and everyone knows Senator Pell by the Pell grants that they went to college on.
		And if you were poor like I was and didn't have the money to go to college, and I had the opportunity to meet this great man once out here in California when I was doing a briefing for a board of directors of a think tank out here.
		And Claiborne Pell came out just for this meeting.
		And I was briefing all this whole group on the whole extraterrestrial and covert program area.
		And it is out here in the Bay Area where I am now in Northern California.
		Well, interestingly, we were right next to George Lucas' ranch, which you did in Star Wars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I was at this fabulous estate out there.
		And I'm sitting with this senator who'd been on every committee.
		And he said, you know, well, Dr. Greer, will you brief my staff on what you found?
		Because I have made inquiries for years, and I have never gotten an official briefing on this subject, even though I've been on every relevant committee.
		And I've been in the Congress since, I think he said 1953 when Jack Kennedy first came in.
		And I said, yes, sir.
		And, you know, it's a crying shame.
		He goes, here you are, the chairman at the time of the Senate foreign relations issue.
		And we're out under the stars here.
		And I point up to the stars, and I said, you know, you have been deprived of dealing with the ultimate foreign relations issue.
		And he looks through his horn rim glasses.
		You know, he wore these dark horn glasses and blinked and said, well, Dr. Kerr, I'm afraid you might be right.
		I said, well, I am.
		I mean, here you are, a man who sort of epitomizes noblesse oblige and sort of this wonderful figure who was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations, who could never find out what was going on on the ultimate foreign relations issue.
		And this is the sort of thing that should change, because we can do better than this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think he was leveling with you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know he was.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I know he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, part of it's you said big media a little while ago.
		Well, you know, tonight we've got ABC here, and if I swear to God, if I had another microphone, I'd open the damn thing up, and I'd put my friend from ABC on here, and we'd both grill them.
		We'd turn the table.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you know, here's my attitude about that.
		I am always cautiously optimistic.
		You cannot judge the future by the past.
		Anyone who tries to, you can be informed of trends from the past.
		You can learn from history, but the future is always a new creation.
		Every moment is a new creation.
		So when I look at this, I go, okay, maybe the news media has the ability to tell this story right.
		Because what I'm willing to give ABC News or any other news entity, any news entity, are the names, addresses, and phone numbers of dozens and dozens and dozens of top secret insiders so they can tell this story right.
		Now, they may want to do a fluff piece and they may do a hatchet piece.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		But if they do a real story, they can win more Emmys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can't.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And they can tell this story to the world the way it should be told because we have enough people lined up ready to tell the truth.
		And these are not people who are going to be filmed.
		If you go to our website, disclosureproject.org, you will see people, name, rank, serial number.
		These are not anonymous sources, you know, like the New York Times quotes.
		These are actual on-the-record people who carried our nuclear weapons.
		Oh, yes.
		And these are highly credible people who had top secret clearances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's my understanding.
		I know.
		It's my understanding that we're dealing here with a two to three hour special that's going to be airing on ABC in February of 2005.
		That's a pretty serious look.
		I mean, you know, in two to three hours, they're not going to do a fluff piece.
		Maybe they'll give a little bit of, you know, a little something in that area.
		But I think mostly they're after a serious piece here.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of serious material to cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's put it that way, this way.
		I got that impression that they want to do this for real.
		So it's quite an opportunity.
unidentified		It is.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I think We should provide the absolute best evidence.
		You know, this whole concept of the best available evidence was a title that I formed in the 90s when I was getting information to the Clinton Science Advisor and these people.
		And we need to give the very best that we can.
		It's true that I can't put out on a table an actual extraterrestrial life form.
		However, we have literally thousands of pages of government documents.
		We have hundreds of government insiders.
		These are not people who just stumbled out of a bar someplace and said they saw something.
		These are people who are ferrying around our nuclear arsenal and people who were at the National Military Command Authority and all these sort of places.
		So every agency is represented in the people we have identified, and which anyone who wants to read it can see it at disclosureproject.org.
		There's a book with 69 of these witnesses called Disclosure with transcripts of 69 of these witnesses in it.
unidentified		It's there.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And what's interesting is that since 2001, in the last three years, we have doubled the number of people who are interested in coming forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, if you look at the current state of affairs in this country with homeland security, terrorism, all the rest of it, we know, you and I both know, these things are in our skies.
		They've been tracked by every authority you can name.
		Now, we're watching our skies very carefully.
		The investigation of UFOs ostensibly ended with Blue Book, right?
		And there hasn't been really anything official since.
		No ongoing program, which means either they know or they don't care or they know and they can't talk about it because they can't control it.
		Which of those?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's none of those.
		They know and they're trying to control it because once they figured out the modus operande of these objects, they knew that they couldn't talk about it.
		Look, anyone with a grain of salt in the scientific world who has disclosed to them the fact that these things are operating are going to say, well, how much have you learned about how they're operating?
		And when that question is asked, we have people who will answer it.
		And when they answer it, it's the end of the oil economy.
		It's the end of the centralized economy we have today that has impoverished the world.
		And we're talking about what I call a kleptocracy that has kept the world burning for decades past the time it should have.
		Let me tell you, I'm going to tell you something here that I maybe shouldn't mention, but I'm going to.
		A very good friend of the Bush family, a very close friend of the Bush family.
		And I'm working with at least one or two friends or advisors to every living president right now.
		Now, this man told me in February of 2003, listen very carefully, in February of 2003 that we would find no weapons of mass destruction, that we had to go in there and free up the second largest proven oil reserve in the world, because with China industrializing at 10 to 15 percent a year and with India industrializing at close to that,
		that there was simply not enough fossil fuel to go around and we were headed toward a catastrophic shortage within the next two to ten years if we didn't maximize the output of these oil-producing areas.
		And that this is totally what we were going into Iraq for.
		Now, I almost laughed out loud because here's a guy who's a close associate of the Bush family telling me this personally.
		And it has turned out to be the case.
		There are no weapons of mass destruction.
		There was no al-Qaeda presence in Iraq.
		This was totally about, not sure why anyone wants to spend it, we had got to, and from their point of view, if you want to keep these other technologies secret and you're looking at a world industrializing as rapidly as China and other countries are, you have got to find other sources of fossil fuels.
		And that's what this was about.
		And yet it's so tragic because we are sitting in another parallel program in these black boxes, the means to take us completely off the fossil fuel economy.
		And this is one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of the human race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm in agreement with you on the oil thing.
		I don't know about weapons of mass destruction.
		It's oil.
		It's got to be oil.
		But even, Doctor, if we control that oil, all that does is change the date.
		It doesn't cure the problem.
		It changes the date when the crisis occurs.
		That's all it does.
unidentified		Of course.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everyone knows this is temporizing.
		But remember, one of the guys that I worked with back in the 90s who had been on Ronald Reagan's National Security Council staff told me, you know, long-term planning at the National Security Council was six months.
		I mean, it's pathetic.
		We're not talking about, we're talking about dealing with apparatchiks here who are trying to function from quarter to quarter or short-term, from term to term.
		We have a serious problem on this planet, and the solutions are there.
		The question is, are we going to allow these solutions to come out?
		And we need to make this decision.
		Yes, we are.
		We need to say yes to a good future and make this course correction.
		I'm convinced that humanity is ready for this.
		I think there are very few people who would not benefit from this.
		There's a very tiny, what I call kleptocracy that have been ripping off the world through these centralized energy and economic systems that need to understand that that is a way of the past, that we need to move on to a new way of functioning.
		And it's a difficult transition.
		I don't make light of it.
		We're talking about the biggest change since the Industrial Revolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
		How convinced are you that extraterrestrials somewhere are indeed involved in the mix of this?
		Are you 100% sure, 90% sure?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm 100% sure that there are extraterrestrial civilizations observing our planet.
		I don't think at all that they're involved in any sort of keeping of this secret.
		There are many people who would like to think so.
		I think, frankly, the extraterrestrial civilizations out there are waiting for us to get out of this sort of dysfunctional phase of adolescence collectively we are in as a race, as humanity, and move into a state of maturity.
		And that's the sort of transition humanity is in right now.
		We're not in infancy.
		We're in adolescence, and it's a very reckless and dangerous time.
		We're in the early stages of adulthood and late adolescence.
		We need to make this transition to a functional civilization on this planet.
		And there are extraterrestrial civilizations that are quite aware of that and are waiting for that moment to arrive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that the energy source that our government knows about, possesses, came through or as a result of contact with extraterrestrial beings and or back-engineered craft or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that how it happened?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's not that simple.
		I think that if you look all the way back to the 20s with the work of T. Towsman Brown, if you look at some of the work that was reported that the genius Tesla, Nikola Tesla, had done, that there were some amazing breakthroughs, even if you go back to the time of Faraday, actually, and read some of the early work that was done there, where there was this ability to perturb what we now call the quantum vacuum or the zero-point energy field and get this enormous amount of energy from the space around an electromagnetic device.
		I think that this work was actually being developed by humans.
		I think it was then greatly potentiated, frankly, by our discovery and retrieval of extraterrestrial vehicles back in the 30s and 40s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there, and that's kind of where we'll pick up, because I thought that that's what you believed.
		And if it is, then we have a very great deal to talk about indeed.
		In other words, what would happen with that kind of disclosure?
		And oh, ladies and gentlemen, a great deal would happen.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, how can you not be listening tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Dr. Stephen Greer.
unidentified		He's head of the parade for disclosure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I certainly, you know, I agree with him regarding these objects in our skies.
		I really do.
		There's not much that I believe in in this world, short of proof, but you know, I've seen one, maybe two of these things, one for sure, close, close, close, close encounter.
		And having seen that, having seen a ship defy gravity, then I know that I just know that there exists anti-gravity.
		And if there exists anti-gravity and drive and propulsion systems to get from here to there, which is no minor statement, then there exists the energy to run our world at a time when we're running out.
		Well, this is no trivial matter, as Dr. Greer has been explaining to you.
		However, the revelation of this if it is so, and I believe A to be so, so you're forced then to consider B, in this case, B for Brookings.
		And that's exactly what we're going to do in a moment.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, once again, as you know, ABC is here filming tonight, and earlier tonight while they were setting up, you know, I turned the camera on them.
		I figured you all would want to see what it's like.
		Now, I have a relatively small broadcasting studio, and they have a relatively great deal of equipment.
		So I snapped a photograph.
		Actually, I've got several.
		I'll share some more with you.
		But one's up on my webcam right now, on the website, coast2coastam.com.
		And you can see their high D camera, high-definition camera.
		One of the first things of this sort that I understand that ABC has ever shot in high definition.
		So that's pretty cool.
		And I was kind of happy to see all their stuff.
		Anyway, there's a picture of their camera there.
		Pretty cool.
		Anyway, in a moment, back to Dr. Greer and the question, which really cannot be ignored.
		I know it can kind of be tossed off about Brookings, but not all that easily.
		So let's talk to Dr. Greer about that.
		Doctor, I mean, there is the Brookings report, and its implications are, basically, that if we were to discover, there are others.
		And if in some way it were, for example, would affect our religious views or would warp what we conventionally believe about science, this would have, without question, an effect on so many institutions and people in careers that I don't know.
		Is it a shock we could really absorb, do you think?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think this, you know, remember, this is 2004, 1954.
		50 years later, 40 years later, 30 years later, there are very few people who don't believe that there's the potential for life in the universe.
		I think the numbers are up 60, 70 percent.
		In some polls, the majority of Americans believe UFOs are real and the government is lying.
		More than the number of people who voted for any recent best U.S. president.
		So the point I make is this.
		There's this sort of patriarchal condescension that the masses can't take it, when in reality, that's only cover for them keeping it secret for completely old-fashioned reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, though, I talk to people like the head of CSETI who says two things.
		One, look, Art, if we get a signal from 90 or 100 light-years away, I think that information would be absorbed quite readily by the American people.
		There'd be lots of debate and shock and surprise and happiness and sadness and all of that.
		But we'd absorb it because they're 90 or 100 million light years away.
		That's one scenario.
		Another scenario is they decide to land.
		Now you've got a whole different story on your hands.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It depends on how you, quote, spin it.
		If you spin it in a threat matrix, in other words, if you say, look, they're here and it's a threat to us, yes, this would disturb people.
		And I think that that is stupid to do that.
		On the other hand, if you say, look, they're here, there's no evidence of a threat, and we need to figure out how to interface with them in a way that redounds to the benefit of humanity.
		This is something that is possible.
		We can do this.
		C. SETI is doing it.
		Let me tell you what happened tonight on Mount Chef.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in a moment.
		But unless it really is a threat, there are those in our community, ufology, who believe that they're not warm, fuzzy guys, that they may be a threat, and that should be addressed.
		I mean, most of these abduction stories and the rest of it don't sound too damn friendly.
		So that's at least got to be a 50% possibility, doesn't it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it isn't a 50% possibility.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's an infinitesimally small possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Because the fact that you and I are still breathing the free air of Earth is abundant testimony to the fact that these civilizations are not hostile.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Because given the fact that we have been targeting and attempting to strike these objects militarily for decades, if they were seriously hostile, they would have cleaned our clock years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But most of the time.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		The fact of the matter is that they are not.
		And I'll say something else about this.
		A lot of the frightening stuff that's put out there on this subject is counterintelligence information.
		I have multiple first-hand insiders who have been on special operations where they have, quote, abducted humans to make it look like an alien encounter, and it's completely false.
		So there's an enormous amount of disinformation out there.
		The psychological warfare dimension of this subject is enormous and sophisticated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But most ants buzzing around their little anthill working away, they're just happy as can be until the shoe falls.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps, but this is sort of a paranoid view of the cosmology.
		My point is this.
		One of the wonderful things, on disclosureproject.org, there's an interview in the book, Disclosure, with Monsignor Balducci, who's a senior theologian at the Vatican.
unidentified		And this is no sort of a new age left liberal.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's a conservative Vatican insider.
		And I got this wonderful interview with him.
		And I'll say something here that I've never said publicly.
		I'm saying a few things here I've never said publicly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When I was at his apartment overlooking St. Peter's and the Vatican, he gave me this interview.
		And one of the things he said is that obviously there are extraterrestrial civilizations visiting us.
		It's clear that they're not hostile.
		It's clear that we should not have a military approach to this problem.
		And that what C. SETI is doing, where we go out and try to make peaceful contact with them, is exactly what we should be.
		Now, off camera, he pulled me aside, and we were out on his balcony, and Paula Harris was there.
		And he said, you know, I couldn't be saying this unless Papa, meaning the Pope, wanted me to say this.
		I don't believe any mainstream theologian is going to have a problem with the fact that we're not alone in the universe.
		One of the really almost funny things that Monsignor Paducci said was that if we are not alone, you know, if humanity is the only intelligent life in the universe, then God made a big mistake.
		You know, he puts it in this perspective that certainly the universe is filled with intelligent life.
		And one of the problems with the SETI project, not CSETI, my group, but the SETI project listening to signals, is that they think that the civilizations advanced enough to get here would be using 20th century or 21st century Earth technology.
		Well, this is a very anthropocentric and foolish perspective, which anyone can deconstruct very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many secrets hidden under the Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you broach that subject with him?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And I met with one of the Knights of Malta, which does exist, and we discussed this because he was concerned about what I was doing with the Clinton administration at the time.
		And in this discussion, we went through this whole issue of some of the things that are in the so-called Secret Vatican Library on this matter, which is quite extensive, by the way.
		And that, of course, this is something that should come out.
		But they don't see it particularly as their role to do it.
		They would have part of the role.
		And this is true of a lot of the religious groups who know about this issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could they not bury it and keep it buried?
		Or is that influence?
		I guess they are.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Because they're preparing to be able to discuss this in a way that affirms the universality of God.
		Now, look, I mean, we can get into a metaphysical discussion, but, you know, I'm on the same page, I think, with Billy Graham and I certainly with Monsignor Balducci on this, because if there is a Supreme Being, it is a divine, infinite being for all people, for all worlds, for all intelligent lives.
		It is the creator of all that there is.
		So the fact that there would be other intelligent life form out there in no way Negates any of the rational saying teachings of any religion.
		Now, there may be some misinterpretations that it would negate, and there may be some upheavals in that area, but the central knowledge of the existence of a supreme being in no way is diminished from the realization that we're not alone in the universe.
		On the contrary, it redounds to the glory of God to recognize that the universe is filled with intelligent beings capable of knowing that being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did Jesus walk on the other intelligent worlds?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Good question, my opinion about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much do you think the church knows?
		How much do you think the church really knows?
		Do they have...
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think very few people.
		99.9% of the people there don't know anything.
		You know, I often joke about this.
		When I've dealt with people at the CIA, most of those people couldn't find their ass in a well-lighted room with the lights on.
		So excuse my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I did.
		And it's true.
		And particularly when it comes to this stuff.
		But the Vatican is a highly compartmented operation as well.
		Now, are there compartmented operations within, for example, Opus Day that is sitting on this?
		Yes.
		Does that mean the Pope has full knowledge or access?
		No.
		I mean, this is the myth that the media has propelled out to the public even about the U.S. President.
		If you're the U.S. President, it doesn't mean that you know all things as some omniscient ruler.
		You only know what people are willing to tell you.
		And if you're dealing with an unacknowledged special access project, which is the proper term for these super-secret black projects, they're not going to tell the president if they don't want to.
		They're not going to tell the Secretary of Defense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that sounds just like the Vatican is structured exactly the way our government is, in that not even the president, or some presidents might know, and other presidents might not.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right, correct.
		It depends on whether you're willing to go along with the game.
		You know, when I was meeting with Lord Hill Norton, God rest his soul, he's recently passed away, and I was at his cottage in Hampshire, and here's a five-star admiral and a sea lord.
		And he, of course, had been head of the Ministry of Defense.
		And I had dealt with people in the Ministry of Defense since the early 90s on this issue.
		And what was fascinating was that he was sitting there with his little notepad very fastidiously taking notes, interviewing me.
		But at some point, he said to me, well, Dr. Greer, why didn't they tell me anything about this matter when I was head of the Ministry of Defense?
		And I answered him with a question and listened very carefully.
		I said, look, what would you have done if you had found out that there was a transnational group that was highly centered in the corporate and financial domain that had committed assassinations, had withheld from U.S. presidents and your prime ministers and you the information that not only that we weren't alone in the world,
		in the universe, but that there were technologies that could have completely replaced by the 1950s and 60s all polluting sources of energy and propulsion on this planet.
		He looked at me, he says, I wouldn't have stood for it for a bloody minute.
		Hearing a rage.
		And I said, yes, and that's exactly why they never told you.
		Because you're a stand-up guy and you would not have stood by where the largest racketeering influence corrupt organization on the planet ran us over Niagara Falls, not even in a barrel, to keep this stuff secret so that they could maintain their death grip on the oil-based energy economy.
		And I said, that is why they never told you.
		That's why they haven't told select people, because they knew that if they did tell you, they would have to do with you what they did to John F. Kennedy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's suppose for a second that the very worst occurs, and we don't find out about it until the virtual last drop of usable oil is extracted from the ground.
		We should be able to perhaps look ahead and know when that date roughly might be.
		In other words, we'll see the pressure increasing toward what date, do you suppose, Doctor?
		Any guesses?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's not the last drop, because before we burn up the last drop, we're going to have already melted both polar ice caps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Look, part of this isn't a rational discussion, and here's why.
		You have people in this policy group, and there are 200 or 300 people in it.
		Some people call it the MJ-12 group.
		It's not called that anymore.
		And I know a number of these people in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it really was once called that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And what's interesting is that there is a hardcore center of it that are eschatologists.
		These are people who fantasize about how the world is going to end.
		And so if that is your belief system and you think, oh, well, the world's going to come to an end and there's going to be this big event, you don't worry if you're melting both polar ice caps.
		Now, of course, this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy based on the misinterpretation of many things, including most of the scriptures.
		But my point is, is that if that is what is causing people to create policy, and I remind people that this is a historical fact, that James Watt, who was the Interior Secretary during the Reagan years, was an eschatologist, and he stated to the public that we didn't need to worry, well, he said it when the mic was open.
		He didn't mean it to be recorded.
		But he said, you know, we don't need to worry about the environment and all this because the world's going to come to an end, and there's going to be the return of Christ.
		And since the world's going to be destroyed anyway, we might as well just go ahead and let it be destroyed.
		So there's this bizarre of not spirituality, but weird religiosity that informs this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is weird, but let me tell you a little story.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's very weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to tell you a little story.
		I had a lady call me who's we were talking about the end of the world.
		And she called and said, hey, Art, you know, since we were talking about how the world might end, I called, and she named, I forget it was Visa MasterCard, you know, one of the big card companies, right?
		And she said, do you all have a policy with regard to, say, if an asteroid was headed to Earth, it would destroy the Earth, destroy all human life?
		And they actually took her seriously enough to put her on hold.
		She went through several chains of, you know, people, the hierarchy.
		And damned if they didn't answer her question.
		They said, actually, yes, we do have a policy.
		And we would allow everybody to run their cards right up to the limit.
		No problem.
		That would be our policy.
		And the reason is obvious.
		If the asteroid hits and we all die, so what?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what if the asteroid misses?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty honest answer.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		There's all kinds of bizarre things you can get into here.
		But here's the central point is, as I see it is this.
		The worldview that people have informs their policy.
		And it directs their policy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that's true, the paradigm you live through.
		But I think that most people know that the Earth is going to be in her orbit, humanity will be here, and we don't need to wait till we've burned the last drop of oil.
		Now, here's the problem.
		I was having a discussion a number of years ago.
		We set up a briefing for the Senate Environment and Energy Committee.
		And Dr. and Colonel Tom Gurden was there, amongst other people who are luminaries in the area of new energy.
		And I consider him one of the true greats in this area.
		He's a genuine genius.
		And we were discussing this, and he said, you know, and he is actually one of the people who is in the disclosureproject.org website and book.
		And he says, you know, we need to have these energy systems out by 2004 or thereabouts.
		And remember, this was a briefing in the fall of 2000 for the Senate Intelligence Energy Committee and Environment Committee.
		And my science advisor, Dr. Loyard at the University of New Hampshire, facilitated this briefing.
		And he said, but, you know, if we don't do that, the lead time between announcing these technologies and getting them into every car and every home is such that it's a 10 or 20 year lag period.
		You're not going to wave a magic wand like Peter Pan and suddenly everyone's going to have these new energy systems.
		So that we needed to bring these out now because if you extrapolate it out 10 or 20 years, that's about how much time we had using the fossil fuel system.
		So it's obvious to people who want to see the human race continue to evolve and grow here that this is a change that is long overdue and we're really at the point where it has to happen now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was my question.
unidentified		A rough crunch date.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, I think that we are at a point where between now and 2020, we are going to have to make this transition fully.
		And I don't mean in a small way.
		We're talking about the mother of all Marshall plans, energetically and environmentally, to get this entire planet off the use of fossil fuels.
		It can be done.
		I mean, human will can make this happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If our government came to you and said, Dr. Greer, all right, you know what, we're going to do it, and we're going to do it through you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you be interested?
unidentified		Sure.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		If they were honestly willing to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I mean, I don't care who it's through.
		It needs to happen.
		Now, you know, a lot of people say, why am I still doing this?
		You know, I gave up my medical career.
		Here I am, an emergency doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you gave it all up.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I gave it all up.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll pick up right.
		That's a good place to pick up.
		Dr. Stephen Greer, who indeed was an emergency room physician, quite a career to chuck away to pursue ufology.
		If that's what this really is, and I guess it is, it's ufology, but it's all becoming about energy.
		Their energy, our energy, the energy.
		Probably the energy would be more correct.
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		Hey, it's Mercedes.
		Stop tying into government.
		Matters require consequences in your result.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		But I guess you just keep going, huh?
		I'm Art Bell, and my guest is Dr. Stephen Greer.
		We'll get right back to him.
unidentified		Hey, and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Dr. Stephen Greer, it seems like in the beginning, Dr. Greer, it was more about UFOs, more about what's in our skies.
		But now it seems like it's more about energy, clear-cut energy.
		In other words, the whole thing is pointing more toward energy than it is whether or not they exist.
		Is that right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, no, because if you go all the way back to 1991, I was talking to people like Bruce DePalma and Dr. Brian O'Leary and others about the energy issue.
		To be honest with you, I was expecting other people to deal with the energy issue while we disclosed the existence of life in outer space that was here and the need to make a change from a militaristic approach to that phenomenon to a diplomatic and peaceful approach to it.
		But what I found was that people were not attending to that problem adequately and that it was all part of the same crisis.
		It's a crisis in vision.
		It's a crisis in the way our society is being controlled and managed.
		And so basically, if you understand that the secrecy around these advanced energy and propulsion systems, even the ones that are man-made, and the secrecy around the UFO issue are identical, and they're managed by essentially the same group, then you understand that you have an integrated problem that needs to be resolved.
		And that's really our approach to it now.
		It's a very comprehensive approach.
		And we had that knowledge back in 90 and 91 and 92, but I was expecting other people to resolve the energy part of it.
		What I found is that they really can't and won't because the secrecy issues and the complex nature of the secrecy attendant to one is identical to the other.
		So the UFO secrecy and the energy secrecy are really identical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you're doing something at Mount Shasta now.
		You've got some sort of training.
		Are they classes going on or what are you doing there?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing on Mount Shasta?
		Well, we have 33 people here, and we go up to this beautiful site on the side of Mount Shasta.
		And let me tell you what happened tonight.
		I wish so much we had been on the air and I had had a sat phone to talk to you when this was happening.
		We were in this clearing up at about 5,000 feet, and we were sitting there doing our observation of the night sky, and it's a beautiful, crystal clear night here in Mount Shasta.
		And suddenly, at about 13,000 feet on the side of this huge volcano, which is what Mount Shasta is, this beautiful light illuminated.
		And then there were three of them.
		And we took our lasers out.
		We have these very high-powered lasers, and we started signaling to it, and they started flashing back.
		This went on for 50 minutes.
		And the only reason it ended is that I had to come here for this interview.
		But, you know, it was one of these things.
		And then, suddenly, we have all these electromagnetic detection devices with us.
		One of them is a battery-operated, state-of-the-art radar detector that has a laser band on it.
		And suddenly, as all this was going on, and we're seeing these objects on the side of this absolutely vertical cliff where it's a glacier up there signaling to us, the electromagnetic detectors we had there started beeping and going off.
		And we're way out in the wilderness.
		There's no source for electromagnetic pollution or radiation to do this.
		So this was going on up to literally within minutes of me leaving to come here for this interview.
		So we take groups out to areas.
		And of course, this is a very important thing.
		I've talked to the people at ABC News about this, is that we're bypassing this whole debate in a sense of, you know, are they out there?
		We've concluded they are, and we know they are.
		And so what we're saying, okay, here's an existential question.
		If we're not alone in the universe, and if they're here visiting Earth, what should we be doing to reach out to them?
		Instead of being passive, we've decided we should do something called the CE5 Initiative, which is the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind initiative, where we basically go out and say, okay, if you're out there, we're willing to vector you in using these radio signals and all this other stuff we're using and see if you can interact with us.
		Well, tonight, here were these objects way up on Mount Shasta.
		And then, of course, this strange electromagnetic pulse came down around the group that started setting off all our electromagnetic detectors.
		What I say to people is that there is the ability of humans, even if we're not senior diplomats at the State Department of the United Nations, to go out to areas and say, look, we're here and we're conscious, sentient beings.
		You're out there and you're conscious, sentient beings.
		Let's see how far we can take that experience.
		That's part of what the whole CSETI experience is about.
		We've been doing this since 1990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, Doctor, here you are at Mount Shasta, probably at some level active.
		Certainly, lots of minerals contained in one place.
		I mean, it is a volcano, after all, and UFOs have been associated with volcanoes for years in reports we've had.
		So that's not unusual.
		I don't know what kind of connection you imagine they have, but I mean, how do you know, for example, that you're not dealing with something metaphysical?
		That you're not dealing, you may well be dealing with something metaphysical.
		I mean, a presence obviously was there and was trying, or was some form of communication with you.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it was specifically doing that.
		But you see, you use the word metaphysical, and I would say, well, let's look at what Walt Whitman said, leaves of grass.
		Isn't everything metaphysical?
		Isn't, I mean, you know, truly, I mean, what does the word metaphysical mean?
		Let's look at this very carefully.
		I mean, in reality, if you're dealing with civilizations capable of interstellar travel, you're also dealing with civilizations who have discovered the nexus between light, matter, space, time, awakeness or consciousness, thought.
		And this is a very important thing to realize.
		It's a very advanced area of science to look at where the interplay is, or the interface is between what people would call metaphysics.
		And I would postulate that metaphysics or a miracle is simply something that can be understood scientifically that isn't yet understood scientifically, and so they call it metaphysical or a miracle.
		Look, if you went back a few thousand years or a few hundred years and gave someone a cell phone, they would say that it was something interdimensional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would say it's metaphysical.
		Let me be more clear.
		If I can.
		When I say metaphysical, I mean how do you know you're not dealing with a spirit, for example?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Spirits don't have astrophysical lights that lift up off the mountain and fly around and signal back and forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might.
		I mean, look, I deal in other things on this program.
		Ghosts, what are called shadow people, things that we truly can't explain, but millions of people are seeing.
		And there may be a wall between this life, and there may be another life, and there may be artifacts of that life, or maybe there's shadows and artifacts of this life.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think the compartments are as clear as you're presenting.
		I think there is actually a perfect continuum between all of that phenomena and us and life in outer space.
		And this is the whole point.
		There is a crisis, a paradigm crisis.
		There is a worldview crisis where science and, if you want to call it, spirituality is sort of trying to figure out how it brings itself together.
		It can be brought together.
		But the point is, is that to put them into separate compartments is to miss the point entirely, that there is a continuation or a continuum that crosses from things that are faster than the speed of light.
		You know, I wrote an article years ago called The Crossing Point.
		If you see a car driving around that has X I N G P T on it, I'm in it, crossing point.
		And what it refers to is everything that is resonating faster than the speed of light.
		But when you go through the light barrier, and it's a quantum, it's not a gradual thing, it's a quantum event, you're dealing with everything that some people would call metaphysical.
		But you're dealing with sciences, and there are very specific sciences.
		Some of them are in the area of scalar electromagnetic systems, but you're dealing with very specific sciences that are clearly involving phenomena that some people would call metaphysical, but it's not metaphysical.
		It's physical.
		It's just very advanced and very high frequency and very high energy physics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it all eventually can be explained scientifically.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that a lot of what we believe as religion could also be explained scientifically?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it, absolutely.
		And a lot of it is something that can be experienced.
		And remember, experience is the mother of all science.
		Empirical observation experience is the wellspring of all science.
		And so there's no reason to diminish experience.
		The point is that if we don't have the instrumentation to detect certain things, it doesn't mean it's not there.
		It just means we haven't developed instrumentation yet.
		For example, did X-rays exist before we had the ability to detect X-rays?
		Yes, of course they existed.
		So we're dealing now with civilizations that are able to morph, if you will, or to transition into faster than speed of light forms.
		And you then step into an area that some people would call metaphysical, but it's actually very scientific.
		So it's not as if there's a clear barrier between science and this kind of information.
		The problem is that we're viewing this through the prism of 20th, 21st century, early 21st century science, which is really in its infancy.
		And so what I point out to people is that there are sciences that will evolve over time where we can specifically measure and note things that are now considered to be impossible metaphysical things.
		So I think we have to take it scientifically.
		And I'm a scientist.
		I'm a medical doctor.
		And it's not like I'm a psychiatrist.
		I mean, you know, I would take care of people being shot and stabbed and heart attacks.
		The point is that we have to view this with some humility and understand that at this point in the evolution of the human race, we're maybe half a step out of the jungle in terms of scientific knowledge.
		We're not that far advanced, even though we think we are.
		And there's a tremendous amount in the universe yet to be discovered where we can then scientifically reproduce it.
		But we can't ignore the early things that we discover.
		Just because we can't quantify everything doesn't mean it's there.
		And this is a huge mistake, in my opinion, that the SETI project is making.
		They're trying to use electromagnetic signals to detect civilizations which if they are advanced beyond the barrier of the speed of light will be beyond the electromagnetic spectrum as it is currently described.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're currently correcting some of the way they do business, you know, or what they need to do and so forth, yes.
		When you're on the side of Mount Shasta communicating with something, what do you think you're communicating with?
		I mean, for example, a further question.
		Have you ever gone beyond light in response to light?
		Has it ever come down to even rudimentary forms of communication of ideas of any sort or concepts or anything?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it has.
		And I think that this gets into a whole question of how far do we want to take this at this time?
		But the C-SETI experiment, if you want to call it an experiment, has been to go all over the world where there have been credible reports of these objects and see how far we can take it.
		Now, we're doing this on $3.85.
		We don't have NASA's multi-billion dollar budget, which is really flushing money down the toilet.
		But ouch, I maybe shouldn't say that since my uncle was involved with NASA very heavily.
		But the point is that there are things that we are doing now which are oriented towards at least mapping out what are the possibilities of contact.
		Now, if we're not alone in the universe, and if they're here, even though it's an humble approach, I mean, we don't have the resources to do what NASA's doing, or even that SETI is doing, shouldn't we make some attempt in that direction?
		And, you know, I remind people: we've had some rather spectacular things happen.
		In the 90s, we had over the volcano Popo in Mexico an enormous triangular craft that came and circled and signaled with us, and it was fully materialized.
		We have, here at Mount Shasta, a couple of years ago, I think it was 1999, had an enormous triangular formation that was seen all over the United States.
		It came right over the mountain, turned over us.
		We signaled to it.
		It signaled back.
		Now, people would say, well, why is that important?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why volcanoes is what I'd say.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very good question.
		And by the way, this was way out in space.
		This particular object was enormous.
		I would say that there is a large body of evidence that these extraterrestrial vehicles have been around volcanic areas.
		And I don't believe it is a geophysical effect like quartz and minerals and what have you, because that piezoelectric effect is very well described.
		These are very different from that.
		And I believe it may be because they're concerned about the stability of the Earth, the stability of the Earth's crust.
		There may be other reasons we don't understand.
		But there is, I mean, it's true that when Mount Pinatubo was blowing in the Philippines, there were all kinds of crafts seen.
		If you go to, look at some of the videotape from Japan at Mount Unjin, this has been a phenomenon reported all over the world, and particularly around the Pacific Ring of Fire, as it's called.
		And I don't believe at all that it's a natural phenomenon.
		I think clearly these are things under intelligent control.
		And perhaps, just perhaps, I'm speculating here, they're concerned with the stability of the biosphere and the Earth, particularly as we are stressing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they're concerned, I'm concerned.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should be.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I think that this is one of the issues, is that we are at a time in history where, again, we're 50 years into an era when the type of environmental damage we're doing should have been retired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here's a really good question.
		Whether it would be a volcano, another natural disaster, or perhaps by our own hand, which is quite likely, and disaster was, we were right on the precipice of some terrible disaster.
		Is it your view there would be intervention?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you look at a document that we created in 1991, we very clearly stated that in the event of a worst, I mean, absolutely worst case scenario, there would be an intervention to try to stabilize things.
		And I think that this is something which is rational.
		If we have been observed for a number of years and perhaps a number of centuries, if not millennia, by extraterrestrial civilizations, there may be some concern that they would need to do that.
		For example, thermonuclear war is something that could extinguish life as we know it on Earth.
		We have in the Disclosure Project, and you can see some of this at disclosureproject.org, that people get on that website and they will see that there are people who were senior officials with the Atomic Energy Commission, who were with the Strategic Air Command, who said that when we were testing some of these weapon systems, that it was clear that these vehicles would come in and intercept and at times even destroy some of these intercontinental ballistic missiles as they went into space, near-Earth space.
		And they were clearly trying to indicate, please do not destroy this beautiful planet.
		And if you do, we will try to stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How well documented is that?
		I remember hearing reports, Doctor, of missiles that were deactivated at some of our silos.
		I remember reports of the Russians having missiles actually begin to activate.
		I remember those reports.
		They were real, weren't they?
		Were real.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I think that what was being said, though, I think that the message being conveyed by these extraterrestrial civilizations is that we needed to back down off this brink of nuclear holocaust.
		I mean, if you look at our testimony that is involving the area of strategic air command and nuclear facilities, we have no fewer than half a dozen separate witnesses who are present at nuclear or strategic air command facilities or with the Atomic Energy Commission who corroborate that this was going on.
		And we're not talking one guy who is unnamed.
		We're talking about at least half a dozen that we have on the record.
		And in our files, we have probably another dozen.
		And what this indicated to me is I went around and I personally interviewed all these men, virtually all of them.
		And what I found, I would ask them, I said, what do you think was being conveyed to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're telling me, Doctor, that they knocked down ICBMs that had been test-launched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They knocked them down.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Intercepted them, yes.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, if you look at the testimony of Mr. Salas and of Lieutenant Colonel Arneson, they say that at one Strategic Air Command facility, that there were 16 separate intercontinental ballistic missiles that were taken offline and rendered unlaunchable one morning as a now interestingly in the Soviet Union this time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed Dr. Stephen Greer is here from CSETI, and boy, what a night this has been.
		Lots of things we've never heard before.
		And trust me when I tell you there's more directly ahead.
unidentified		Screams Did you-Sounds of the game Sounds of the game Sounds of the game
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if this is real, it's too good to be true.
		The timing is too good to be true.
		Dr. Greer?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a man on the line who claims he was at one of those silos.
		Caller, are you there?
		I am there.
		You were at, what's your first name?
unidentified		I'm John.
unidentified		You're John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From?
unidentified		From Centralia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Centralia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you claim you were at what silo when and what happened?
unidentified		It was in the hotel flight in the summer of 1966.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You apparently were on George's show with George on the show?
unidentified		Exactly.
		For about an hour a month or so ago.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where were you and what happened?
unidentified		Okay, we had, this was the year before it happened at Maelstrom Air Force Base, and I carried the top security clearances in the U.S. government, and I handled those nuclear weapons and those missiles.
		And we began to have, George, George, I mean, we began to have a series of outer zone security violations where something penetrated the outer security zone of the site, and then it was followed by inner zone security violations.
		And after that, then it wiped out the missile.
		The missile of the GNC went down.
		They had GNC no-goes.
		And when I spoke about this a month or so ago, and it's been a long time since it happened, I had forgotten about this, the third problem, the GNC no-goes.
		And then when I checked my notes, GNC meaning.
		Yeah, we lost control of the missile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a little bit too close to your phone.
		Back off a little bit.
		GNC means what?
unidentified		A guidance and control package.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the guidance and control package went down.
unidentified		Down.
		And that just wiped out the missile.
		The missile didn't know where it was, and it's a failure.
		It's called GNC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		And all this happened.
		You had outer zone and then inner zone failure, so something was there.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And in our case, we had sightings.
		I didn't see these things, but we scrambled.
		The first thing you scramble are a couple of APs from the launch control facility, which controls 10 of those Minuteman missiles.
		And they sent these APs out, and the boys and men, you know, young men, reported seeing a saucer disk sitting over the silo with little lights or whatever around it.
		And these are in the status of an excited utterance.
		The reaction was immediate.
		They began to look around for other teams that were close.
		All these missiles sit out there alone.
		And so they scrambled.
		Another team of, this time actually analysts and people that could be more qualified to judge what was going on out there, left unattended a nuclear missile out in the South Dakota prairie and got this other team across the hills as fast as they could in the night.
		And this second team, containing people that I actually knew personally, saw this object on the silo.
		And about at the same time, they were able to get a helicopter crew in, also carrying another team of analysts like myself, out of the barracks at 3 o'clock in the morning, 9 o'clock, I don't know what time it was, 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock at night.
		And they brought them in range of that.
		And what's so strange after all this time is that a year later when this happened in Maelstrom Air Force Base, as now documented on those sites, that whole command crew had no knowledge of what had happened at Ellsworth.
		This terrible compartmentalization that we worked under, the secrecy acts that we worked under, kept that word from spreading.
		So commanders in Maelstrom Air Force Base, when they had exactly the same sequence, and they've documented that with letters from Boeing, the prime contractor, they took those G, of course we had to take those missiles out of the silo and find out what had happened to them.
		That was our job.
		And so the very first thing we did was pull those missiles and pull those cans, those guidance control packages, and got them back to Boeing so they could see what had happened.
		And, you know, they decided it was spurious current and this kind of thing.
		But I was right there while it was happening.
		It was a nice summer night, early summer night, and I listened to it on the radio, the Air Force radios, and I saw the helicopters come back in with photographers on them and this kind of thing, talk to the wing commanders while it was going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, these are the kind of people you want to talk to, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I would encourage this gentleman and people like him to contact us at disclosureproject.org, and I will personally be in touch with him.
unidentified		I will certainly do that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
		And the point is, is that what he is saying is something we have dozens of corroborating witnesses for.
		And as you mentioned, there were similar events going on in the former Soviet Union, and we have an enormous collection now of KGB documents and others regarding these sort of events.
		And because it was happening on both sides of the Cold War, it was quite clear that these extraterrestrial vehicles were trying to say, please do not engage these missile systems in a launch that will result in the termination of life on this planet.
		So that's not an act of hostility.
		That's an act of enlightened guidance.
		And I think that unfortunately what this gentleman just shared is very important.
		The compartmentalization of intelligence prevented one hand knowing what the other hand was doing, not only between Russia and the United States, but between and amongst Air Force personnel or agencies.
		I'll tell you a story that's very interesting.
		The commander-in-chief, Atlantic Command, Admiral Harry Train, was present at a facility in Norfolk, which is the Atlantic Command facility, when an enormous extraterrestrial vehicle came in off the eastern coast of North America in broad daylight.
		It was tracked eventually on at least five separate radar stations.
		It was photographed by gun camera footage by pilots.
		We have a witness who was in the command center who had zebra stripes on his uniform, which means that you could only be there during a full code zebra alert, which is what you go to during nuclear war and similar such emergencies.
		And this event took place, and the Admiral, because he had not been adequately briefed on this issue, gave the orders for our military jet fighters to force this object down if possible.
		Now, they didn't, but the order was given.
		Now, this is a very dangerous situation.
		And one of the things when I met with the general at the time who was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who I personally briefed for over an hour, I said one of the dangers of this, because of the super secret nature of this subject, is that enormous mistakes have been made and can be made in the future that threaten our national security.
		And in this sense, you have an admiral who is one of the commanders, the commander-in-chief Atlantic Command, given the order to down an extraterrestrial vehicle because they don't know that they exist.
		They don't know why they're here.
		Initially, they thought it might be a Soviet missile coming in, and it wasn't.
		They got on the hotline and connected with the Soviet Union and found out that, in fact, it was not Soviet.
		And then we ended up scrambling jets all the way from the northeastern United States all the way to Florida.
		And if you read the testimony of this witness, Merle Shane McDowell, at a top secret clearance, this thing then took off, went over the Azores, tilted at about 60 degrees, and then zip, went right out into space.
		Now, the interesting part of this is not only the fact that you had an admiral who was completely overwhelmed by the event because he had not been adequately briefed, but the reaction to it, which could have been catastrophic.
		What if we had engaged that object violently and militaristically and resulted in its destruction?
		This is the sort of thing that is very dangerous.
		And what this gentleman just shared, which is a very important bit of testimony, is that he was present in an event that happened well before the events that Colonel Arneson and other witnesses we have describe at Maelstrom.
		But they were not privy to that prior event.
		And therefore, they also could have taken measures that could have been injurious to our national security, could have been injurious to themselves or to these visitors.
		So there is a tremendous risk with the level of secrecy going on here.
		We can't remember commanders left in the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember whether STS-48 or one of the several of the missions actually captured footage which appeared to show objects in space being fired at by something rising out of the atmosphere and taking definite evasive measures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there might be evidence, perhaps even space-based, that we are firing at these things.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is evidence, and I have multiple independent corroborating witnesses who have worked in projects where they have developed systems to do this.
		Now, you know, I remember telling Mrs. Boutruscali personally, Leah Ghali, the wife of the Secretary General of the UN, that these sort of events were occurring, and that this was a threat to world peace like we have never seen.
		That you have a rogue, unsupervised group of people taking actions like this that endanger our security.
		And within the vacuum of the secrecy, part of the problem, Art, is that in this vacuum of secrecy, there's not enough discourse.
		There's not enough sharing of information and perspective to prevent these things from getting out of control.
		And that's one of the really great risks of this kind of super secret funding college project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But something here just doesn't make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if we've made a deal with them, or we have...
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We haven't made a deal with them.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's all pop culture nonsense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All righty.
		Then we're obviously in fear of them.
		We wouldn't be firing missiles and put up chase planes and fire at these things if we were at all comfortable with them.
		So militarily, we're certainly not.
		And if a small cabal of people know about it somewhere and we've got our military shooting at them, we've got a definite conflict of interest here.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We have a problem not because there's a threat.
		We have a problem because the people dealing with this are people who are trained to look at everything they don't understand as a possible threat.
		Very careful in what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way they're trained.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's the way they're trained.
		but this is the danger of having people like Senator Claiborne Pell kept out of the loop.
		This is the danger of having people And there's a tremendous risk to having, if you will, our wise Elders in our society and other people being not only deceived on the issue but flat out denied any access or control over it.
		So I would say that if you look at a document, a letter that was written by Admiral Roscoe Hillenkeeter, who was the first CIA director, he wrote this letter where he said that the secrecy surrounding this issue is a threat to the national security.
		I'm being very careful in what I'm saying here.
		I'm quoting almost verbatim, although I don't have the document in front of me.
		And it's important for people to understand that it wasn't that there was a threat from these extraterrestrial vehicles.
		It was that it was a threat to the national security arising from the extreme and dysfunctional secrecy that evolved around it.
		And of course, all you have to do is turn to what our President Eisenhower said when he said that there was a threat to our liberties and to the world of the unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
		And I am quoting verbatim now.
		So my point is that I am not anti-military at all.
		In fact, our biggest supporters in what thedisclosureproject.org is doing are military people.
		I cannot tell you how sincerely people in the senior ranks of the Pentagon have told me that they are appalled, appalled at how this has been managed and how it is very dangerous.
		Now, can you imagine, here I am, an emergency doctor, and I've been invited to brief the sitting head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That in itself.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And he was given by me the code names and code numbers of these covert programs that were current as of the 1990s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he loved hearing that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		He loved hearing it.
		He inquired into these operations, and he was told, and I'm quoting, sir, you don't have a need to know.
		So by the time I met with him, he was hopping mad.
		He said, what the hell do you mean I don't have a need to know?
		I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
		And here I am sitting there trying to explain to him why he doesn't know and what's really going on.
		Now, this is through the looking glass, my friend.
		Here I am, you know, I'm an emergency doctor taking care of heart attacks and car wrecks and stabbings and shootings.
		And I'm here sitting with one of the highest-ranking military people in the world trying to explain why he's being lied to and denied access to these projects.
		It is very dangerous.
		This kind of secrecy is not only illegal, but it's a threat to the national security of the United States and to world security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it illegal?
		Absolutely illegal.
		How is it illegal, specifically?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if you have projects that deliberately lie to a sitting U.S. President and lie to their commanders-in-chiefs, like the man I just described, and lie to the supervisory committees and members of key committees in the Congress.
		And I'm going to say something here, and I don't mean to overstate my position, but I'm the only living person who has met with all of the above, who is in the UFO community.
		And if those people are being lied to and deceived and denied access to these projects, there is no way that they are operating under legal constitutional authority.
		They are a priori, and on their face, illegal operations.
		So this is one of the reasons why I said the gentleman who just called in, who is a wonderful military witness, really should not view it as an unpatriotic act to come forward, because really what they are doing is blowing the whistle on the biggest illegal operation in the history of the world that has bankrupted our country and has brought the world to the brink of environmental and geopolitical catastrophe.
		And it is time for people to stand up and say enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they going to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they starting to?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		We have a constant number of people like this gentleman who just called in who are willing to come forward and to give their information.
		And the next phase of this, of course, is to find the scientists who understand the physics behind these systems to begin to come forward and bring out the actual operational energy and propulsion system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, is it fair to say that this began post-1945, or have we been visited since, you know, since, I don't know, the beginning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or did everything really begin to happen post-45?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that there was an enormous increase in activity after we detonated the first nuclear weapon over Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and at the Trinity site at White Sands.
		There's clear evidence that they were alarmed.
		The former editor of Flying Saucer Review, Gordon, told me that in his opinion, we had basically kicked a hornet's nest because when we started detonating thermonuclear weapons, at the same time we began to have the early capabilities of rocketry and going into space, a big red flag came up over Earth and said, oops, society at risk.
		And not only at risk for ourselves, but potentially, looking down the road, at risk to other civilizations.
		I mean, you know, let's step back, if we can, just for a moment and look at this situation through the eyes of a civilization that's observing us that have passed this way before and have been able to survive the level of evolution we are at today.
		And they see a civilization that in one person's lifespan has gone from an agrarian society to a society launching vehicles into space, has gone from having muskets and rifles to having thermonuclear weapons.
		You would have to think that there would be some concern there and warranted concern.
		So I believe that that's what we're dealing with.
		And it's a very serious problem that, in my opinion, and in the opinion of Brigadier General Lubkin and President Eisenhower, according to him, has been not in the best of hands.
		It's been terribly mismanaged.
		And what we have to begin to say is that how do we correct this problem?
		Let's not just whistle past the graveyard.
		Let's fix it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's always made sense to me that the nuclear detonation would have been like a gigantic light bulb going off to anybody watching us.
		And where were the first major sightings and maybe the crash?
		Yes, Roswell.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Roswell, it was the only nuclear bomb squadron in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a coincidence.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Not a coincidence.
		And the information I have from the former Colonel Corso.
		People who knew him very well told me that when he was at White Sands, that there were enormously important close encounters that happened there over the birthplace of the atomic weaponry.
		And if you look at the testimony we have at disclosureproject.org and in the books and videos we have, Colonel Diedrichson, who was with the Atomic Energy Commission, talks about that every single nuclear weapon storage area facility, not just Maelstrom and the Strategic Air Command, but the manufacturing and assembly facilities were being visited by these vehicles because there was apparently great concern about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back with Dr. Stephen Greer.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like the bat and other nocturnals, that's where we operate here in the nighttime when one consider, can consider such things as we're considering tonight.
		difficult as it may be i know for some of you doctor steven greer is here and what he has to say is very sobering the the the Top of the darkness to you.
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		Both of those will arrive at the appropriate location, and I will do what I can to read them.
		And also for my guest, Dr. Greer, people want to get hold of you.
		People want to learn more.
		People maybe, I don't know, maybe they want to join the effort.
		They want to help.
		They have the information to give you.
		How do they get hold of you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that they can get hold of me best through disclosureproject.org, which is our website.
		That's all one word, disclosureproject.org.
		And I would particularly encourage any of these military witnesses who want to come forward to contact me, as well as any of the people who may have knowledge of these energy and propulsion systems that they can demonstrate, because we are poised to bring these out to the public and would like to do so over the next year or two, if at all possible.
		And we're open to people doing that.
		We have another website for the energy company, which is the power, F-E-A-F-P-O-W-E-R.com.
		And they can invite people with the energy propulsion system to want to have us evaluate them for them.
		They can contact us there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you taken skills and video of the contacts you've had?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have a number of video.
		In fact, we have a wonderful videotape of a very large triangular formation that came over Mount Shaft, in fact, a few years ago.
		And we have these from a number of places.
		When we were in Florida and Pensacola, we had four of these objects appear.
		Three of them made a triangular formation and signaled with us for 15 or 20 minutes, maybe longer.
		So we do have these things from around the world.
		And more importantly, we have some wonderful participants and witnesses who have been present during these events.
		And it's really a wonderful thing to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I began to ask you this before, but I really want to pin it down.
		You say signal with you.
		And my question was, have you had anything that went beyond signaling?
		Anything that imparted information that you could tell us about in any way at all?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that at this stage, we're really primarily focusing on what ability do we have to get these objects onto site and have them interact with us.
		And I think that that's really the stage where we are.
		I mean, there's not a sort of sense of sort of sitting down over coffee and having an exchange of information at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that's really, I think, premature.
		But my sense of it is that there's a lot that's communicated through the willingness to communicate.
		Think about, I mean, it's a very simple thought.
		If these things objects are in our atmosphere or exo-atmosphere even, and they're able to interact with us, what does it say about the potential that we have as a society to create communication with life in outer space, with life in the universe?
		This is a very exciting prospect, and even if it's in a very preliminary stage at this point, it speaks volumes about the potential down the road if we would organize ourselves around doing it.
		And I have to say that there are growing numbers of people who are interested in exploring that and exploring this whole issue.
		I don't know if you received, I think we sent you this paper that's coming out actually tomorrow on August 10th that's titled The Unacknowledged Threat, Illegal Covert Operations and the Risk to World Peace and the Environment.
		And this is a paper that I was invited to write for the World Affairs Journal, which is one of the most prestigious foreign international relations journals in the world.
		People like George Soros and Colin Powell and others have written in.
		And there's a special edition coming out tomorrow of this journal that talks about this sort of secrecy and what's going on in the world.
		And so, in a sense, you have to understand this is a journal that virtually every prime minister and foreign minister in the world reads.
		And in it, I describe not only the nature of these illegal covert operations, but the risk to our society of the secrecy and within that, the promise of contact.
		And we have to begin to look at this seriously.
		And one of the things that we're doing is to move this into serious debate and serious investigation by people in, quote, unquote, the mainstream.
		And I think that this is very important for us to do.
		And if you look at what we're doing with the CE5 initiative, where we take people, lay people, I mean, it's everyone from, we've had rocket scientists and we've had housewives with us out here doing this, who say, well, look, let's see what we can do to contact these objects.
		And when one appears in the skies and they see you and you see them and they start interacting with you, it is a cosmic moment.
		It's a truly amazing thing.
		And maybe, Art, you can come with us on one of these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe, but then it seems logical to pursue the next step, which would be some limited form of transmission of data back and forth or an attempt at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea how you might pursue that?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there are a number of ways.
		One is that eventually I'm quite sure that there will be the potential for a landing of one of these craft and communication with the occupants.
		And this is something that when it happens and it's documented, it'll have to happen at a time when the world is ready for that.
		Now, I would say that the world should have been ready for this 50 years ago, but because they've been lied to and misled about the subject, we're playing a game of catch-up.
		So I don't mean Heinz catch-up.
		I mean catching up.
		And this is one of the real problems of the current time we're in.
		But I think that this is something that is very doable.
		And I don't believe that it's something that is futuristic.
		I don't think we're talking hundreds of years from now.
		But remember, they're looking, as we all are, at the entire global situation.
		And so long as we have this dysfunction where there are lies being perpetrated on the subject and fear-mongering being perpetrated, how far can you take this kind of open contact?
		And this is where the CE5 initiative and our attempt to make contact with these objects coincide with the disclosure project because society has got to not only know about it, but find a way of dealing with this issue in a way that is not violent and is not militaristic.
		We haven't done that yet.
		We should have done it in the 50s and 60s.
		We didn't.
		And now it's time that we need to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you managed contact on the level you were just talking about, why don't you imagine the military becoming aware of that fact would take it out of your hands so quickly?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are aware of it.
		I can tell you that when I was first approached by senior military people who were in these covert programs was after we had established this kind of contact at fairly close range in Florida and in Belgium and in Mexico.
		And I was visited by the former head of Army intelligence and a whole bunch of other spooks who basically said to me, what in the hell are you doing?
		And I mean, I mean, quite frankly, that's what they said.
		And I said, look, you know, we really have, in a sense, discovered the Rosetta Stone of inter-species communication.
		And we don't have time in this show to go into that.
		But the fact is, is that it can be done.
		And it needs to be done because we cannot cede the high ground of contact between our culture and these other civilizations to a purely militarized effort.
		And I was very clear at that.
		This is in 1992, April of 92, and I met with these gentlemen.
		They were trying to persuade me to cease and desist from doing this.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a forceful manner?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's always very subtle.
		But yeah, it was threatening.
		And I was taken to a hotel room until 3 in the morning, or whatever it was, very late.
		And there was 64 questions.
		And basically, one of them said, what the hell do you think you're doing?
		And I said, look, I'm a citizen of the earth who is aware that we're not alone.
		And I think that it's time that there are people who are reasonably aware and enlightened and reasonably peaceful in their orientation to the future to step up to the plate and try to make some sense of this rather than a purely paranoiac and military approach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it ended amicably?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It ended amicably.
		Subsequently, about a month later, I was at another retreat up in the Rockies, and this group tried to entice me into joining this.
		I was offered a board seat on the covert group that deals with this.
		I was offered enormous sums of money, enormous access to technology.
		I said, no, thank you.
		They then went to my wife, God bless her, and tried to convince her to convince me.
		She thought they were charming.
		I said they were rogues.
		And I said, no, thank you.
		And that's where we left it.
		And then within about 30 days of me saying, absolutely not, I'm not going to do this.
		I'm going to stay an independent free agent for the truth.
		Every kind of defamation of my character, up to and including claims that I wasn't actually a medical doctor, appeared on the Internet.
		So you can only imagine the kind of nightmare my life has been since 1992.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now threats, and now telephone threats.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But you know what?
		We're going to just keep on keeping on because I think the people need to know the truth.
		I believe in a good future for humanity, no matter how difficult the current birth pangs of our transition may be.
		And if we all pull together, we'll be able to see the future of our dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly true that your best place is right here, right in the middle of the public eye.
		It's your safest place.
		And I guess you would make that case, wouldn't you, to military men who are starting to get a little older and would like to talk.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Let me tell you something that was said to me.
		You know, one of the ways I've been very wise is that I know what I don't know.
		I never killed anyone in the emergency department, but I knew what I didn't know.
		Let me tell you, what I didn't know about this stuff in 1990 when I stepped out was a lot.
		And so when I had guys who were good men who came to me who had experience in national security, military, and these things, I listened.
		And one of the guys who came forward was a national security lawyer.
		And he said, if you want to live to see tomorrow, you don't walk, but you run, and you get millions of people to hear what you're doing, and you keep them informed in real time, or they will erase you.
		And he told me this, and I looked at him like he was a nut.
		And it turned out the man knew what he was talking about.
		But I listened to his advice, and I said, you know what?
		The vanguard, our shield in getting the truth out is the public.
		It's not all these big shots.
		It's not all these high officials.
		And I've met with them all.
		It's you, the people.
		You, the people, are the people who can make this happen and can also watch our backs.
		And that's why we're out here talking with people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the best thing, other than those witnesses that you obviously want to talk to, the best thing for the general public to do in trying to support you, and a lot of them want to support you in your effort, is to what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just be in touch.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Write their members of Congress and the President saying they want a disclosure.
		Help us find these technologies that are hidden in people's garages that have been suppressed.
		Help us find more witnesses like this wonderful man who called in tonight.
		Maybe pray for us.
		I mean, you know, quite frankly, I'm not a religious person, but, you know, hey, you know, I would like for people to hold us in light and pray for our guidance.
		And we want to do this because I think the time has come for the truth to be known.
		And I appreciate anything that people can do to help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this, do you take precautions for your?
		I mean, it's not just you, it's your wife, it's staff members.
		Do you take some precautions?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we take very good precautions, and it happens on many levels.
		And one of the levels is that there are substantial groups in this covert structure who very much support what we're doing, and they have warranted to me our safety and the safety of all of my witnesses.
		The proof of the matter is that I'm still breathing the free air of Earth.
		None of these military witnesses, even the ones with top-secret SCI clearances up into the 90s, have never even received a phone call threatening them.
		And I think that what I say to people is that don't be intimidated by the threats.
		Look at the good future and do the right thing.
		And the only thing I ever asked myself is, can I look in the mirror and say, am I doing the right thing?
		And if the answer is yes, I'll do it.
		And so I really don't care otherwise whether or not someone wants to threaten me.
		And I have never, I will tell you that I have a military advisor that's been with me since the early 90s who, when it came up at a meeting once about the security of me and my family, he stopped the discussion and said, this is something we do not need to worry about.
		And this man has the gravity to deliver.
		So that's where we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and on the other side of the coin, you must be very gratified that with tonight, ABC apparently has decided to do a very serious effort, they tell me, they promised me, two to three hours long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is kind of what you've been waiting for, so there must be some gratification in this for you, isn't there?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
		And in meeting with the producers, I think that, you know, there's a sincere attempt.
		And I really think Peter Jennings is the kind of man who's independent thinking enough that if he's presented with the facts, he will present them to the public.
		And I hope he stays in that state of integrity throughout the process, because I know that there will be pressures for him to get off the path and to do a sort of spun ridiculing piece about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't expect that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I don't expect it, and I think that it's a very important Well, as you know, Peter Jennings is Canadian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read a story in the first hour of the program tonight entitled Canadian Skies Abuzz, Buzz With UFOs and Route to a Record Year, More Sightings of UFOs in Canada this year than in recorded history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just had a senior minister with the Canadian government contact me.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		This is something that I won't say who it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		But we're talking a major player in a G7, G8 country who is extremely interested in this subject, particularly as it pertains to the environment and the energy and propulsion systems that we're working on.
		And so I would say that there's some very good movement north of the border.
		There's some very good movement within Congress, by the way, with people we've met with.
		And so what we have to say is that, yeah, look, it's an uphill battle.
		You know, there's a Goliath out there.
		Maybe we're David.
		I don't know.
		But we're going to try.
		The fact of the matter is, this is the deck we've been dealt.
		And we've got to deal with it the best we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. seems so far behind some other countries, notably one to the north of us, Canada, Mexico to the south of us, much more involved publicly and from a government point of view than the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just seems so unlikely unless we know something they don't.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, the fact is that we are the superpower that is straddling the earth, and we do have these technologies developed very slowly.
		While there may be other countries who have significant case files, such as in France and Spain and other places, the fact of the matter is we have had an intensive project that is over 50 years old dealing with the technologies behind these systems.
		And because we're sitting on those secrets, that's where the disinformation is greatest, the control is greatest, and the risk is greatest.
		And for that reason, it's most dysfunctional here.
		And I think that this is a serious problem that needs resolution.
		I will say something here rather counterintuitive.
		There are people within the covert group running the secrecy who desperately want to see a solution to it, but they have painted themselves into a corner and don't know how to get out of it.
		Now, they're still a small minority.
		I mean, but if at one time I was told when I met with Clinton's first CIA director, Jim Woolsey, I was told about a third of this policy group was in favor of bringing this out.
		I am told now it's 40 to 50 percent.
		So it's a growing number of people who want to have this disclosed.
		And whether or not time is on our side remains to be seen.
		But certainly the truth is on our side, and ultimately the truth will be out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any indication, Doctor, that there have been communications between the U.S. and other countries on this topic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're almost out of time, damn it.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		What a shame.
		But look, yes, certainly within these classified programs, they are transnational.
		And when I say transnational, there are no national boundaries when you're dealing with the corporate, financial, and intelligence world on this level of secrecy.
		It absolutely just busts through anything you would consider a national border.
		And in a way, it's a rather frightening image.
		And one of the fascinating things about, I'll go back to this Manchurian candidate, and believe me, I have no connection to the film at all, but it's interesting how they portrayed this enormous corporation as being this large global corporation with para-governmental and military involvement as well as financial involvement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, Donald.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's what you're dealing with.
		I mean, that's what you're dealing with.
		So, yeah, it's always been transnational.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buddy, we're out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good night.
		See you on ABC.
		All right, bye-bye.
		Bye-bye.
		That's it, folks.
		Sorry, we're out of time.
		And here's Crystal with always just the right words to get us out of here from the high desert night hall.
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unidentified		Shooting stars across the sky.

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