Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society present EVPs from cemeteries, mausoleums, and Barbara’s Utah home, using analog tapes (e.g., Iowa TPM 920) and digital recorders to capture childlike voices like "I need more" or "run." They debate whether spirits reflect past personalities—70% of EVPs respond to living prompts, while 30% involve entity interactions. Recordings suggest confusion, such as "either see you go or we want to go too," and rare inflections hinting at awareness. German research on frequencies and Roger McBeath’s daughter’s EVP ("I see a wealthy girl") add layers, but no explicit religious content emerges. Their work challenges conventional views of consciousness after death, blending technical rigor with unsettling possibilities. [Automatically generated summary]
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be, in the great world time zone, 125 of them covered like a blanket.
My coach ghost AM, which is the name of this program.
I'm Mark Bell.
It's my honor to be with you throughout the weekend, and it is, believe me, a fascinating weekend that we've got planned for you tonight.
It may be the closest you ever get to a ghost.
I got a pretty interesting...
Hi, Art.
I live in San Diego and Los Angeles.
Want to ask you, do you have a recommendation of where I can go to see or feel the presence of a ghost?
I've never done this, but I am very eager to explore this reality.
Thanks and happy birthday.
Oh, it was my birthday, Carl.
And Carl, I may get you there tonight.
That is to say, I may get you closer, you know, to a ghost than you ever have been before.
Now, I obviously can't say that with assurance, but what you're going to hear tonight, I'll tell you, in all the years that I've been doing this program, this may be one of the things that interests you.
Certainly in the category of ghosts, this is number one in my book.
I'm familiar with my guests' technique for what they're doing.
It's pristine.
It has no margin for error.
There's not much else that could be on these tapes, but ghosts.
I mean, they're blank tapes, always.
By tradition, and or the newer digital modes, which work, by the way, for listening to ghosts.
People from the other side.
I know it sounds unlikely, but that's just about all that this could be.
And that's why I have an eternal, continuing, absolute fascination with what the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS, does.
They capture the voice of ghosts?
Yes, I think so.
A significant amount of proof.
And anyway, that's on down the line a little later tonight.
We're going to do that.
But tomorrow night, tomorrow night, Dean Raiden's here.
And the subject is going to be mass consciousness, the kind of stuff that is going on at Princeton, and the kind of experiments we've done.
And a lot about that tomorrow night.
So, as I say, big weekend.
Now, looking at the world news, very briefly, Saudi security agents searched homes in the capital and surrounding deserts on Saturday for the body of a slain American hostage, Paul M. Johnson Jr., while Saudi officials hailed as victory, a victory at least, their slaying of his executioner, though nobody thinks that it's going to stop the hunt for Americans.
And, you know, they're chopping off heads of Americans.
I'm sure you've seen it.
God, the photographs have been going around on the internet.
They are gruesome and not fit to be seen, in my opinion, or probably shouldn't be posted publicly.
I know freedom of information and all the rest of that, but there's kids around.
And those really are awful shots.
And I guess, you know, someone sent me something earlier indicating that it's in the ancient Islamic tradition to behead men.
That in the ancient days that's what they did.
They would behead the men and sell the women and children into slavery and what have you.
That's some ancient tradition, huh?
And so I was thinking a little bit about that.
And I thought maybe they need a modern addition to their militant extremist lexicon.
Nearing the end of its work, the September 11th Commission is inviting Vice President Dick Cheney to provide any evidence that he might have that might show some link between al-Qaeda and Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
I wonder what he'll say.
But I think the most interesting story of the night for us is right here.
And oh, I ache to go out there and be part of it.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Let's take the break before I forget it, because I'm going to get wrapped up in this, and then we'll talk about what I wish I was doing this weekend.
Well, all right, here's a way cool story.
I guess you know what's coming up, right?
You are up on this?
If not, then let me catch you up on it.
The stuff of pulp science fiction and children's adventure books could become reality this week high over the Mojave Desert.
When an innovative rocket points its nose toward space, Spaceship One is going to try to climb 62 miles up Monday morning, leaving the Earth's atmosphere for a few minutes, and thus will become, if they are successful, The first privately funded non-governmental manned spacecraft.
That's not small potatoes.
And so I thought you might want to know a little more about this.
Spaceship 1 will be attached to the underside of its White Knight carrier airplane during takeoff from the Mojave Airport at about 6.30 Pacific time in the morning, Monday.
And oh, would I like to go.
You can take an RV over there, but obviously I'll be getting off the air here at 2 a.m.
So making it there would just be too tight.
At an altitude of about 50,000 feet, the rocket plane will separate from the white knight, light the engines, and shoot up to 100 kilometers or 62 miles, which, by the way, is the internationally recognized boundary of outer space.
That's when you've done it.
At that height, the pilot, who is yet to be named, isn't that interesting?
We don't know who the pilot is going to be, should experience about three minutes of weightlessness and see the curvature of the Earth and the blackness of space.
The plane will then descend to a glide landing back at Mojave Airport about an hour and one half after takeoff.
In a sense, Spaceship One's flight is an exercise, well, you know, and been there, done that, certainly not privately, but back in the 60s, the X-15 zoomed over the Mojave Desert to similar heights, and NASA's first manned Mercury launch in 61 brought Alan Shepard to an altitude of 116 miles during a 15-minute suborbital mission.
Nevertheless, the fact that this high-tech spaceplane was built by the private sector with funding from software billionaire Paul Allen rather than our government has captured the imagination of space enthusiasts everywhere.
I'm one of them.
A quote, we can rarely pencil into our calendars a day when the world is going to change, but we can hear.
That was George Whitesides from the National Space Society.
Spaceship One's privately sponsored success could well mark a new era for spaceflight, said Mr. Whitesides, executive director of the National Space Society.
We rarely can pencil a day in like this when the world's going to change, but we can hear.
It's going to fundamentally shift the way people think about space.
Specifically, of course, it reawakens people's chance to at least dream about going into space themselves.
Are you one of those dreamers?
I would sure love to do it.
You know, I got up high enough to see the curvature of the Earth, but nowhere near that high.
So what would the deal be when they get going?
Well, it would seem for anywhere between $30,000 and $100,000, you could get a seat on a plane that would take you up into and above that international boundary point, and you would be in space.
This is Burt Rutan's effort.
Everybody's moving toward the X Prize, which includes getting three men into space.
This will not challenge the X Prize, but it's on the way to the X Prize.
And all of Rutan's competition will be there checking out his act and seeing how it goes.
And there's going to be a whole lot of people there.
And I read this whole story, and they've got arrangements for RVs.
And I thought, oh, boy, let's hop in the RV and head over to Edwards and watch this occur.
But, you know, checking into it, it would be right at the four-hour driving range, plus accounting for getting off the air at 2 a.m. and then not out of here until 2.30.
I would miss it.
So I can't make it.
But given the opportunity, in a heartbeat, I would go check that out.
And I have some friends that are on their way to see it, and they'll be there watching.
The head of one of the world's biggest oil companies has admitted that the threat of climate change makes him, quote, really very worried for the planet, end quote.
You're not going to believe this.
In an interview in today's Guardian Life section, Ron Oxberg, chairman of Shell, this is not a minor company we're talking about.
We're talking about Shell Oil, says we urgently need to capture, listen to this, capture emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, which scientists think contribute to global warming and store them underground.
A technique called carbon sequestration.
Sequestration is difficult, but if we don't have sequestration, Quoting him here, then I see very little hope for the world, said Lord Oxburg.
Nobody can be comfortable at the prospect of continuing to pump out the amounts of carbon dioxide that we're pumping out at present with consequences that we really can't predict but are probably not good.
End quote.
You've got to, I mean, this is, you know, president of an oil, chairman of Shell.
Sequestration is difficult, but if we don't have sequestration, then I see very little hope for the world.
Quote, no one can be comfortable at the prospect of continuing to pump out the amounts of carbon dioxide that we're pumping out at present with consequences we can't really predict, but are probably not good.
Anyway, those comments are probably going to enrage many of his colleagues in the oil industry, no doubt, which is targeted by climate change campaigners because the use of its products spill out huge quantities of carbon dioxide, most visibly from vehicle exhaust.
And have you seen any pictures of China lately?
Well, then you know they're driving cars around in China the way we drove them around, the way that we virtually drive them around now.
Even at that, we still represent about 30-some-odd percent of the entire planet's contribution to global warming.
There's just a there's a whole there's a whole but to hear an oil company chairman say that better think about that.
I don't care what your politics a Las Vegas headline Las Vegas Associated Press.
The drought gripping the West, that's here, could be the biggest in 500 years.
They've been running this on CNN.
I'm sure you saw it.
With effects in the Colorado River basin considerably worse than the Dust Bowl years.
That's worse than the Dust Bowl years.
According to the U.S. Geographical, rather geological survey on Thursday, quote, now we can say with confidence, said Robert Webb, lead author of the new fact sheet, now I'm completely convinced.
Quote, now I'm completely convinced, end quote.
The Colorado River has been in drought now for the entire decade, cutting an important source of water for millions of people out across the West, including, of course, Southern California.
Environmental Group said the report reinforces the need to figure out a better way to manage the Colorado River before reservoirs run dry.
The water managers, they just continue to pray for rain.
That's all they're doing.
Well, what else can they do, really?
I mean, we still are at the mercy of the Lord when it comes to water, aren't we?
That's all they can do is pray for rain, and praying might be, particularly in view of tomorrow night's topic, an appropriate response here.
Report said the drought has produced the lowest flow in the Colorado River on record, with an adjusted annual average flow of only 5.4 million acre feet.
That was between 2001 and 2003.
By comparison, during the Dust Bowl years of 1930 and 37, the annual flow figured to about 10.2 million acre feet.
Think about that.
5.4 million acre feet compared to 10.2 when the Dust Bowl was going on.
So it's worse than then, but we're not noticing.
Actually, according to another Associated Press story, here's a headline.
World's land turning to desert at alarming speed.
The world is turning to dust with lands the size of Rhode Island becoming desert wasteland every single year.
Did you know that?
Now, that's what I meant by we're not noticing.
Unless you read a story like this and you let the words sink in, then you really don't get what's going on.
And we're, you know, we're frogs in warming water, and it's warming at a very rapid rate, ladies and gentlemen.
In fact, it's probably looking out ahead, you can see the boiling point just out there, and that would be us boiling.
Lands the size of Rhode Island are becoming desert wasteland every year, and the problem is threatening to send millions of people fleeing to greener countries, according to the UN.
I'm not making any of this up.
This is an AP story.
One-third of the Earth's surface is at risk, driving people into cities and destroying agriculture in vast swaths of Africa.
31% of Spain is threatened, while China has lost 36,000 square miles to desert, an area about the size of Indiana, since the 1950s.
This week, the UN marks the 10th anniversary of the Convention to Combat Desertification, a plan aimed at stopping the phenomena.
Despite the efforts, the trend seems to be picking up, doubling its pace since the 1970s.
Well, if Mother Nature has decided to turn large swaths of previously arid, not arid, but a very, I don't know, moist, previously moist, certainly farmland, good land, into Desert?
Then I don't know what man could do to stop that process.
Whether it has anything or any relationship to global warming, one certainly might make the case that, yes, it might.
It might be another effect of global warming, right?
Areas the size of Rhode Island simply ceasing to be green, ceasing to grow things, and turning into a desert.
So boil away, frogs, or listen carefully to some of the stories like the ones tonight that I'm reading to you about what's going on all around us.
Perhaps there are people who do know the big picture, and all they can do is sort of keep their mouths shut and hope that, well, you don't notice.
You know, until it's, I suppose, your area the size of Rhode Island that happens to become a hunted desert, then obviously you're going to notice.
But on a worldwide scale, maybe all of this will just happen.
And until the end, nobody will notice.
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Abum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Can you hear my heartbeat in the fire?
You know that the end of the day
Who's gonna love you, love you, love you Who's gonna love you?
It is indeed, and of course, all of you, and we're about to go to open lines, anything you want to talk about, Spare Game.
I'm reminding you once again at the top of the hour, we're going to be talking with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
And I'm telling you right now, of all the programs I do, this one I think offers the most intense, hard-to-argue with evidence of ghosts.
I believe, I do believe, that what we're hearing are ghosts.
There really cannot be any other conclusion that you would come to.
Certainly, I have tried to pick it apart.
Believe me, I'm kind of a technical guy.
And if I saw any holes in what they were doing, any holes at all, I'd be all over it.
And they would not be backing back.
But they are back and back for a lot of reasons.
One, two, they don't do this for money.
This EVP, this sound from the grave, these voices from the other side.
And really, as you listen to the evidence tonight, if you listen with a fresh mind, there really can't be, technically or otherwise, really any other conclusion for what you're going to hear tonight.
If you wish to believe that, oh, pooey, you know, these cannot be the voices of ghosts.
Well, then fine, go ahead.
But I'm telling you, from a technical point of view, there really are no holes in what these folks do.
And there's really no other explanation.
Once you get into the content of what you're going to hear tonight, there's no other explanation.
Well, I hope that's not the other side, or any part of it.
unidentified
Yeah, you know, I hope so, too.
I just want to talk a little bit about karma.
And I mean, this is a wild card line, so I figure I'd talk about whatever, but I seem to be one of the people that's in the right place at the right time, pick up the phone at the right time, tell the number.
And a lot of things have happened in my life, a lot of crazy things.
exactly anything if you can break he did it with the night with the book that the the You kind of caught me off guard that that was kind of creepy that were hard to put.
I don't know if I want to say that to you, but you're likable.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yeah, my name is Dan.
I'm calling from Long Beach, California.
Yes.
And I just want to, since I was on hold, I want to mention two things.
One is that when I was going up towards North Town here in Long Beach, there's kind of a couple of odd incidences is that there's one guy was going to get out the bus, and the bus driver wouldn't let him because there was a lot of bees flying around over there.
Two people I got caught up with, I came out here from Chicago, and this one lady and I were standing over by the ATM machine right at the Queen Mary, which is known to be haunted.
And she and I both spotted this one ghost that stood about like 510, wing about 450 in an old, some kind of a Navy uniform.
I've spent a lot of years investigating all kinds of people who make claims about a death, you know, and what may lie or may not lie on the other side.
I really have talked to so many people about that.
But again, what you're going to hear tonight would appear to be, to me, seem to me to be the very best evidence, the very best evidence that there is something after death.
And that's a very non-trivial question, isn't it?
It's the biggest question any of us face is whether we will survive in any way the death of our physical bodies.
Well, it is, but whether it's listened to or not is, I think, of great doubt.
There are many things that we tell all of you.
I mean, we like the stories I read you tonight about the environment, right?
People hear it, and I don't know.
In the modern world, you just sort of absorb it and go, wow.
But do you really understand what it means?
The kind of changes that are going on here, the fact that we're in worse shape than we were during the Dust Bowl years, the fact that hunks of land the size of Rhode Island on a yearly basis are turning into deserts.
Well, I got a kind of a weird story with a twist for you.
Okay.
Since I was 18, I lived in this house in Northern California that was built in 1905.
Now, I'd been listening to your program, and I've actually been educated through it.
But I would hear these noises in the middle of the night, a scratching on the back of the stairs.
And I was almost for sure that I would get up and check it and everything.
And it's an older house, so you'd think it would make all these noises.
But ever since I've had those experiences in that house of being around what I think is ghosts, I've experienced what you guys have explained as out-of-body experiences, OBEs, tremendously.
Like what would happen is I would be laying down, not sleeping, and I would almost like raise to the ceiling and be looking down at myself.
And it was like something else was inhibiting my body while I was sitting there looking down at myself.
Well, something happens when you begin to open yourself to all of this.
And it may have to do with what you believe possible.
I mean, if you're one of those people who poo-poo's the whole thing, it may be that this just never happens to you because your mind is not open to it.
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But every time that it happens, it's not the same.
There is one thing that is the same.
I can see a whirlpool going around me, but then sometimes there's people holding hands at the top of that whirlpool and looking at me with smiles.
So I know it's not something negative.
It's just something that I think I'm not all the way in tune with and can understand.
In other words, your brain could be making those associations and doing all of that.
Yeah, it could be.
It could be.
Until you get to what we're going to be presenting to you tonight.
And then no.
And then once you hear this tonight, and you understand the technology techniques that are used, and you understand the care that's taken, and the fact that these people are not money takers, and they've been doing what actually, you know, EDP, it began with Edison, who thought that it might be a path to hear from the dead.
Did you know that?
Not a lot of people do.
unidentified
west of the rockies you're on the air on hello hi my name is mitch i've been listening to you for a few years and i enjoy listening to the program where where are you mitch um...
i'm calling from jenow alaska okay what's up three incidents happened and they're all similar but they all happened um...
In all the years of Doing Talk Radio, this really is one of the scariest kind of nights you can spend.
It'll be with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
Both of these members of the Ghost Investigators Society are devoted people.
The GIS is a non-profit organization.
You really ought to make immediate note of that.
Non-profit organization.
They don't make money.
They don't sell t-shirts, cups, anything.
They don't even sell tapes.
They put them up on the web for you to hear for free.
They're dedicated to something that's been going on since the invention of electronics, just about.
And that is ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but they also instruct, assist, and educate anyone out there, including you, who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious, in an effort to educate the public about ghosts.
The GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and that these voices you're going to hear may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
We did originally have the theory that only tape would record these voices.
And the reason we thought that was mainly because the working theory on EVP was that it was using the electromagnetic field, that these spirits were using the electromagnetic field to imprint their voices.
In other words, it would be the tape head itself, perhaps or even the microphone in some way affected, although that could certainly be true now with that you've shifted to digital, what, about, I don't know, a couple years ago?
And it is, you know, a lot of times that is the main problem, is some of these voices, especially on the analog tapes, are embedded in that background tape hiss, which is just so horrible.
For authenticity, for control purposes, because, you know, if you had a partially erased tape, you might hear a voice that you might conclude is a ghost voice.
But there's never been anything ever recorded on these tapes, just so we're clear.
In fact, we've been toying with the idea now of taking pictures of Barbara's library of tapes that she has here just to show people how many tapes we actually do go through.
Now, there must be an internal schism on this subject.
And I'm sure you've had long discussions about it, but there is a big difference between tape noise and between digital, which is virtually silent, making any voice you have to bring out much easier to get out and clearer.
I remember when I began to suggest it to you, and you both went, nah.
And then finally you sort of slid into it, and you found the voices there.
Now, is there any difference, and here's where I bet the schism is, in the number of voices that you capture on tape versus those you capture digitally?
You know, I would have to say now I think we do get more voices from the digital recorder, and I'm not sure if that's because we are getting more voices or it's easier to hear the voices that are there compared to analog recorders where you'll miss a voice every once in a while because the quality is just so crap.
But, you know, I really am thinking now I'm going along with the theory that somehow these voices are manipulating sound that is already in the atmosphere.
And I think that because a lot of the voices we get, we get them when we're actually talking with each other.
Or there's some kind of noise that we're creating is when these voices come in.
Very rarely have we ever picked up a voice when there is no noise whatsoever.
Do you think that more times than not you're engaging in a conversation with a spirit or that a spirit is responding to something you have said or do you think you're just sort of listening in on what's happening somewhere else?
I think the majority of the time there's actually some very small form of conversation.
Obviously, and we've gone over this with you through the years trying to build up a conversation with these entities, whether it was using a real-time recorder or just being utterly silent when we ask a question and trying to hear a response.
I think there is a very small amount of conversation going on.
I do believe a lot of these voices respond to questions that we ask or something that our group is doing when we're out, whether it's amongst ourselves and whatever we're doing has nothing to do with the spirits themselves.
And that could be, you mentioned the dimension, and that could be because maybe there's a very thin line between our dimension and theirs if that was the case.
However, why would we be getting these voices in certain places that are, as you said before, associated with death, whether it's...
Your line is to say something usually like, well, you know, yes, we go to cemeteries, but you can get EVPs anywhere, and you don't have to be in a cemetery, and yet I've noted over the years you keep going back to cemetery like lemming.
But we were aware when we moved in this house that Shortly after we moved in, that there was a presence here, at least one, but I think that there is more than one here.
We've had quite a bit of incredible happenings here in the house.
And I do believe that, you know, with the amount of places that we have been in this area alone, in Ogden, I mean, there's been so many locations here that have had so many different haunting activity.
I mean, different things happening and just different kinds of phenomena happening.
I do think it's definitely the area that we're in.
There was one night we were sitting here at the kitchen table and we have a cordless telephone that was sitting on the table and all of a sudden it just started rattling and rattled right off of the table and that was with four witnesses.
Now, that's really something for people to imagine.
Alexander Graham Bell working on communications, telephone, and that early in the technology, why would he be imagining that it might be a method to talk to the dead?
I mean, if you think about where we're at right now as far as technology, and think where we were at even 20 years ago, I mean, look at how much it has changed.
And look at how many things we have learned from it.
So can you imagine in another 20 to 40 years what we might figure out?
And, you know, what now we would think, okay, that's completely crazy.
Why would you even think of that?
And in 20 to 40 years, it would be the most common thing in the world.
And I think eventually, life after death and ghosts is going to become like that.
It's going to become something that is so accepted.
I do believe that in time, the technology will increase to the point where it's something that is accepted, and it is something that people realize is a legitimate thing that's happening.
How can this be advanced from the equipment you're using and the way you're going at it right now, electronically, technically, how can we make an advance in trying to talk to the other side?
I think, And I really don't know how we would do this.
And I mentioned this earlier in the show, that this is something we have tried before.
I think the obvious next step is to figure out a way to actually have a conversation with these beings, to actually have them respond to you and you be able to respond to them in hopefully real time.
Then when we come back, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to begin to play these for you.
And I ask that you open your mind and that you consider what you're about to hear fairly, understanding this is a non-profit organization, that their technical methods for doing this are pristine.
So if you have another explanation for what's about to happen, I'd sure love to hear it, because over the years, I haven't found it.
unidentified
I'd sure love to hear it.
So
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I don't know, music, of course, kind of sets moods for me anyway, and for many of you I know.
And this song sets the perfect mood, in a way, for what we're about to do.
We're going to reach across some sort of veil.
There is a veil there.
There is a kind of a stopper there.
But we found a way to do it.
We're going to reach across that with EVP and listen to voices from the other side.
Just over the hill in Las Vegas, Joseph writes, please ask those two about European attempts to improve EVP technology by talking to scientists on the other side.
I've read reports of video conference-like interactions with spirits and of other side scientists saying they are developing equipment there.
Now, that's people, scientists on the other side, scientists who have died, saying they're trying to develop equipment on the other side.
Well, this would appear to be contemporary evidence that this might be occurring.
That they might somehow, I mean, excuse me, but on the spirit side, you don't imagine material things existing for furthering this kind of communication.
But, you know, him just mentioning that, that's interesting that you mention it because when I recorded this voice, I was next to the children's crypts.
And they have a specific section where they do keep children, children under, I believe it's 16 years of age.
and that's right where i was when i recorded this voice well do that many Yes, I think that there's a lot of children that pass away before they ever reach their late teens.
I think each individual ghost that still remains around us has their own reason for staying, whether they're ignorant of their death or denying That they're dead or don't realize they're dead, but I don't believe that everyone that passes away stays as a ghost.
One of the things that you seem to have determined over the years is that ghosts reflect the personality, whether it's a good one or a bad one or even a rotten one or a foul-tempered or whatever, of the person as they were in life.
How much indication is there that certainly you're aware when they're talking to you and when a remark is absolutely in response, has to be in response to something you've done or said.
And I left the recorder, and it had probably been sitting up there, I would say, for about five to ten minutes when this voice Was picked up, and everybody was with us.
We knew nobody was upstairs when this voice came in.
And you're going to hear a child's voice again, and it says, Hey, and the hay is really kind of loud and distinct.
And then there's a pause, and then it says, What is that for?
Or if you think not, then offer another tangible explanation for what we're hearing, knowing the circumstances of the recording and the care taken in everything being done to obtain these voices.
Now, I've concluded that is what you're hearing.
And I don't know that I'm altogether happy with what I conclude about the nature of the other side after hearing it.
We'll be right back.
The little child that said, I need more.
Laura in Arkansas says, well, maybe that means he needs more of some kind of energy in order to communicate.
Maybe Help Me refers to the same thing.
They probably rely on this side, meaning our side, the physical world, to provide an avenue to respond.
As I've mentioned before on previous shows, we've noticed that when we've taken People with us that are really feeling a lot of fear and are really afraid, it seems like activity has increased at those times more than previous times when it's just the GIS there.
Would it make sense that if you went to Paris, for example, and went to an old cemetery in Paris, that your expectation would be that the great majority would be French?
And my husband brought up a good point, which we all believe, the members in the GIS believe this, that the other side is what you carry over mentally.
Something that I just noticed, a great majority of the cuts that we're playing tonight are interwoven with something that one of you all is saying.
Now, I would think that most times you would take a recorder and just sort of leave it in a place, as you mentioned you did for one of these cuts earlier.
But most of them are right around something that one of you is saying.
Well, you know, I really think that goes back to what I was mentioning at the beginning of the show, that I personally believe that these voices are using sound that's in the atmosphere.
I mean, whether it's us talking or just the whirr of a fan or something, that's how they're using, you know, they're using that.
I think the one that we played a couple tracks back is probably one out of, I would say, ten that we have ever received when we just leave a recorder sitting around.
And so this girl, and her name's Allison, she is reported to haunt this theater.
And people have seen her sitting up in the VIP box seats, you know, from when people are standing on the stage, they look up in the box seats and see this small 10, 11-year-old girl sitting there.
And this is when the theater is completely closed down.
And so you two, what, made a day of it and went to this theater with, I might add, everybody, they always get permission, whether it's a mausoleum or a graveyard or wherever it might be, they get permission of, I don't know, the powers that be to be where they are and do what they're doing.
We don't want people going out there, you know, into a cemetery at 12 o'clock in the morning, you know, because you are going to have problems with law enforcement being in there at that time.
We always do get permission, and I would encourage anybody else that goes out and does this to get permission of the location you're wanting to get into.
And we have yet to be able to determine any kind of correlation with anything, whether it's weather or solar storms or anything like that, on what causes more activity to happen.
And on this clip, I'm actually talking to the security guard who was relating some stories to us about things that he had seen in this theater as he's doing his rounds through the night.
Well, there's an invitation, and it brings me back to, I don't know, it brings me back to what I said to you one other time about having a tape machine or a device so that you could respond.
I mean, that was an invitation for you to say more.
Yeah, I just finished the story and never heard this voice again.
And, you know, when we do that, and we do hear a voice like that that is directly responding to something that we have said, we do listen very intensely after that voice comes in to see if that voice ever responds again to anything else that we might have said.
And I would say there's maybe three times that that has ever happened.
But to get back to your point about having a conversation with them, we had a man, his name was Christopher Helms, and he worked at, he was an electronics engineer for an Air Force base in Idaho.
And he offered to build us a couple of these quote-unquote real-time recorders.
He'd send us about probably five or six prototypes of just trying to perfect the actual timing of the tapes.
And the first two that we used, I think we would get through one tape and go to do the next one, and then it would just eat the tape.
Now, the idea, folks, obviously, is that instead of having to take the tape home and pour over it for hours, find the voice, and then have no way to respond in time to it, the idea was to have a machine that would instantly record something and almost instantly play it back so that if you heard a voice, you could respond to it.
But you're saying that there were mechanical difficulties with it.
We did get one final prototype that seemed to work at one point.
And I do remember, actually, maybe it was three or four shows ago that we did with you.
We did play a voice that I recorded with a real-time recorder.
But I don't believe it was actually any kind of second response.
I mean, there was me saying something, and then the voice responded to me, and then I actually hear it on the recorder, and you hear me saying, I heard you, can you please repeat yourself?
Well, and actually, the reason I was saying is I can hear it from back here was Barry had asked me, you know, can you hear that whirring sound in the background?
And we were in this theater, and we could not figure out where this sound was coming from.
And we never did figure out where that sound was coming from, but it sounded almost like a fan was turned on.
Now, I know the things you have said, but you do keep going back to graveyards and to the place of the dead.
And one of the things that is very disturbing to me is that I would not, I'd really rather not hang around where my old rotting, worm-infested body is slowly rotting away.
And I can't imagine why spirits would wish to hang by their bodies.
Well, to give you an example, this mausoleum that we played a few of these voices from tonight, a lot of the people that are in this mausoleum have been cremated, and it's just their urns that are sitting in this mausoleum.
Well, on this, we were in a cemetery at this time.
And you'll hear on this clip Barbara doing her trademark spiel about, you know, if anyone's in the car with us, please get out, you're not welcome to go.
I don't know if it's maybe the number of investigations that we've done that at some point something has attached itself to each one of us, which it would make sense, and there's definitely a lot of reports and a lot of cases of that happening.
The mosquitoes were so bad, we just decided to just stay in the car and not get out because you could see these hordes of mosquitoes the size of a seagull flying around.
So we were just recording in the car.
And Brendan had cracked the window and lit up a cigarette.
And this was in broad daylight at the time.
And you're going to hear me say, speaking, I was talking about the mosquitoes.
And I says, you don't have to worry about the rear.
And I was sitting behind Brynn and he was driving.
And Brynn says, all right.
And I says, I'm watching your back.
And then it sounds like a woman that says, now we've got some.
When you do the two replays, in other words, you give me everything in context on tape first, and then you replay what was said by the entity, and you appear to increase the volume.
And, you know, one of our members, actually, Jenny, pointed out that at times when these entities talk, it is almost like when you hear somebody who's deaf and they try to talk.
any reason to investigate store i mean I was told that it used to be an old mill, an old lumber mill that used to sit there at that property back in the old West days.
And I don't know there could have been deaths at that location at one time.
You two, do you think that it's the actual physical place that you're in, as in a mausoleum or a graveyard or, I don't know, a theater or wherever it is you are, or it's the area itself?
In other words, if you were to suddenly remove the theater, would the spirit still be haunting the same physical place?
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I'm very well aware that at any given time, we've got probably thousands of guys in big rigs trucking along out there on the nation's highways, probably clipping along about 70 or 80 miles an hour.
And they've got this cranked up in the cab.
And they're alone, or at best, their partner's asleep in the cab behind.
And they're listening to all of this.
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And I wonder if the two of you agree with that.
Consciousness, it seems like it's a very large force indeed when it's focused.
Let's go back to what Barbara said when I asked about what you would expect people to conclude about all of this as they listen.
I mean, it is very disturbing.
And as you listen to it, if your reaction is to say, I feel sorry for these people, then your conclusions about those who are trapped in this world after death, well, they just can't be that rosy about how it is.
I mean, I can hear that, you know, it's very monotone in his voice itself, but the way the sentence almost is structured to me, I mean, it just struck me as it was kind of like he was singing that.
I really should repeat this because it bears repeating.
Over the years of doing the shows with you two, we have perpetually invited people to go give it a try.
And then I'll get some emails and I'll say, what a bunch of baloney.
But you know what?
I'm tired of all this.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to take a tape recorder and I'm going to go out.
And more times than not, and I mean this, more times than not, I get a second email from somebody going, holy, and then my little emails have little, when something bad is said, they have like a little hot pepper that comes up in front of the email and there's like hot peppers there because the exclamations they make can't be repeated.
But, I mean, they're really shocked.
People do this themselves, and they do get results, and it scares the you-know-what out of them.
Yes, and it's really kind of, I think it's kind of neat when we've had people go out with us, and they are there, they know what's taking place, and when we are able to play a voice back to them, they were there at the time, they know what was being said by who,
and to be able to let them hear a voice where they were that they did not hear, that's interacting with something they might be saying or doing is really kind of an exciting thing to me.
Well, as far as the voices go and how they sound, I think it goes back to what I said earlier that if you compare it to the way a deaf person sounds when they try and talk, I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that they cannot hear themselves and in a sense, i guess have you know over time forgot how to actually speak uh...
do you Do you think it's because there is no real larynx, there are no ears, there is no hearing, this is a, as this person said, it's like an electronic or an electromagnetic rather projection only.
And modulating, I kind of like what you said earlier when you said that it takes ambient sound that's being made and modulates it into what they want it to be.
And if not wheat noise, then some other way that those from the other side could electromagnetically manipulate a sound, which is nothing but a frequency.
And you're going to hear my husband Roger telling Brendan and Jenny about this, and you'll hear him say, and their daughter died about two, three weeks ago.
And a woman says, I see a wealthy girl.
This family is a prominent family here in town, and they are quite wealthy.
Now, you would think that would be, I don't know, perhaps the last thing you would think about would be the relative wealth of anybody when you don't have a body anymore, but.
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And the daughter died but, "Hmm, it's you, Teresa." I feel lucky, Jo.
Gee, that's quite a variety of voices from your house, Barbara.
And a point of interest here, as a matter of curiosity, should you invite some of these creatures, spirits, into your bed, for example, how would Roger feel about that?
No, and when we first came, when I first brought Roger into the house to show it to him, we were coming through the garage and into the basement and coming up some stairs to come upstairs.
And he was on the stairs where he said, oh, great, there's ghosts here.
Well, I think that's what most people want to know.
If they think they live in a haunted location, they would no doubt like to know the nature of the haunting and the person or spirit and I guess as much information as they could get.
So I'm sure you do get calls from Atlanta, Georgia, or wherever and say, look, I'll pay your way out.
I want you to do your work and find out what you can about what's happening to me.
The only thing I really don't get, though, would be if that was the case, why do we get contemporary information?
I mean, it could explain everything else, but the contemporary information that we get, if this was just a program that for some reason we're tapping into.
exactly well it's a good place to leave everybody kind of uh...
not having all the In the meantime, we've got you all, and I cannot tell you how I appreciate your coming on the air And doing this again without profit motive.
And if this doesn't cause people to think, I just have no idea what in the world would.