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June 19, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath - EVPs

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be, in the great world time zone, 125 of them covered like a blanket.
		My coach ghost AM, which is the name of this program.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		It's my honor to be with you throughout the weekend, and it is, believe me, a fascinating weekend that we've got planned for you tonight.
		It may be the closest you ever get to a ghost.
		I got a pretty interesting...
		Hi, Art.
		I live in San Diego and Los Angeles.
		Want to ask you, do you have a recommendation of where I can go to see or feel the presence of a ghost?
		I've never done this, but I am very eager to explore this reality.
		Thanks and happy birthday.
		Oh, it was my birthday, Carl.
		And Carl, I may get you there tonight.
		That is to say, I may get you closer, you know, to a ghost than you ever have been before.
		Now, I obviously can't say that with assurance, but what you're going to hear tonight, I'll tell you, in all the years that I've been doing this program, this may be one of the things that interests you.
		Certainly in the category of ghosts, this is number one in my book.
		I'm familiar with my guests' technique for what they're doing.
		It's pristine.
		It has no margin for error.
		There's not much else that could be on these tapes, but ghosts.
		I mean, they're blank tapes, always.
		By tradition, and or the newer digital modes, which work, by the way, for listening to ghosts.
		People from the other side.
		I know it sounds unlikely, but that's just about all that this could be.
		And that's why I have an eternal, continuing, absolute fascination with what the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS, does.
		They capture the voice of ghosts?
		Yes, I think so.
		A significant amount of proof.
		And anyway, that's on down the line a little later tonight.
		We're going to do that.
		But tomorrow night, tomorrow night, Dean Raiden's here.
		And the subject is going to be mass consciousness, the kind of stuff that is going on at Princeton, and the kind of experiments we've done.
		And a lot about that tomorrow night.
		So, as I say, big weekend.
		Now, looking at the world news, very briefly, Saudi security agents searched homes in the capital and surrounding deserts on Saturday for the body of a slain American hostage, Paul M. Johnson Jr., while Saudi officials hailed as victory, a victory at least, their slaying of his executioner, though nobody thinks that it's going to stop the hunt for Americans.
		And, you know, they're chopping off heads of Americans.
		I'm sure you've seen it.
		God, the photographs have been going around on the internet.
		They are gruesome and not fit to be seen, in my opinion, or probably shouldn't be posted publicly.
		I know freedom of information and all the rest of that, but there's kids around.
		And those really are awful shots.
		And I guess, you know, someone sent me something earlier indicating that it's in the ancient Islamic tradition to behead men.
		That in the ancient days that's what they did.
		They would behead the men and sell the women and children into slavery and what have you.
		That's some ancient tradition, huh?
		And so I was thinking a little bit about that.
		And I thought maybe they need a modern addition to their militant extremist lexicon.
		Perhaps they need to learn the R word.
unidentified		You know, radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nearing the end of its work, the September 11th Commission is inviting Vice President Dick Cheney to provide any evidence that he might have that might show some link between al-Qaeda and Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
		I wonder what he'll say.
		But I think the most interesting story of the night for us is right here.
		And oh, I ache to go out there and be part of it.
		Well, I'll tell you what.
		Let's take the break before I forget it, because I'm going to get wrapped up in this, and then we'll talk about what I wish I was doing this weekend.
		Well, all right, here's a way cool story.
		I guess you know what's coming up, right?
		You are up on this?
		If not, then let me catch you up on it.
		The stuff of pulp science fiction and children's adventure books could become reality this week high over the Mojave Desert.
		When an innovative rocket points its nose toward space, Spaceship One is going to try to climb 62 miles up Monday morning, leaving the Earth's atmosphere for a few minutes, and thus will become, if they are successful, The first privately funded non-governmental manned spacecraft.
		That's not small potatoes.
		And so I thought you might want to know a little more about this.
		Spaceship 1 will be attached to the underside of its White Knight carrier airplane during takeoff from the Mojave Airport at about 6.30 Pacific time in the morning, Monday.
		And oh, would I like to go.
		You can take an RV over there, but obviously I'll be getting off the air here at 2 a.m.
		So making it there would just be too tight.
		At an altitude of about 50,000 feet, the rocket plane will separate from the white knight, light the engines, and shoot up to 100 kilometers or 62 miles, which, by the way, is the internationally recognized boundary of outer space.
		That's when you've done it.
		At that height, the pilot, who is yet to be named, isn't that interesting?
		We don't know who the pilot is going to be, should experience about three minutes of weightlessness and see the curvature of the Earth and the blackness of space.
		The plane will then descend to a glide landing back at Mojave Airport about an hour and one half after takeoff.
		In a sense, Spaceship One's flight is an exercise, well, you know, and been there, done that, certainly not privately, but back in the 60s, the X-15 zoomed over the Mojave Desert to similar heights, and NASA's first manned Mercury launch in 61 brought Alan Shepard to an altitude of 116 miles during a 15-minute suborbital mission.
		Nevertheless, the fact that this high-tech spaceplane was built by the private sector with funding from software billionaire Paul Allen rather than our government has captured the imagination of space enthusiasts everywhere.
		I'm one of them.
		A quote, we can rarely pencil into our calendars a day when the world is going to change, but we can hear.
		That was George Whitesides from the National Space Society.
		Spaceship One's privately sponsored success could well mark a new era for spaceflight, said Mr. Whitesides, executive director of the National Space Society.
		We rarely can pencil a day in like this when the world's going to change, but we can hear.
		It's going to fundamentally shift the way people think about space.
		Specifically, of course, it reawakens people's chance to at least dream about going into space themselves.
		Are you one of those dreamers?
		I would sure love to do it.
		You know, I got up high enough to see the curvature of the Earth, but nowhere near that high.
		So what would the deal be when they get going?
		Well, it would seem for anywhere between $30,000 and $100,000, you could get a seat on a plane that would take you up into and above that international boundary point, and you would be in space.
		This is Burt Rutan's effort.
		Everybody's moving toward the X Prize, which includes getting three men into space.
		This will not challenge the X Prize, but it's on the way to the X Prize.
		And all of Rutan's competition will be there checking out his act and seeing how it goes.
		And there's going to be a whole lot of people there.
		And I read this whole story, and they've got arrangements for RVs.
		And I thought, oh, boy, let's hop in the RV and head over to Edwards and watch this occur.
		But, you know, checking into it, it would be right at the four-hour driving range, plus accounting for getting off the air at 2 a.m. and then not out of here until 2.30.
		I would miss it.
		So I can't make it.
		But given the opportunity, in a heartbeat, I would go check that out.
		And I have some friends that are on their way to see it, and they'll be there watching.
		That should really be something, eh?
unidentified		Would you do it given the opportunity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Supposing it didn't even cost any money, would you do that, or would you be afraid?
		I would do it.
		Well, depending on what I understood about what was beneath me and was prepared to rocket me into space.
		But I think Mr. Fatan certainly has done it right.
		And so I think I would have enough confidence in that case, or certainly with NASA, to launch if I had a chance.
		Just like that.
		All right, there is other news.
		There's an awful lot of environmental news, and none of it any good at all.
		I mean, not really good at all.
		Some of it shocking.
		And this is in the shocking category.
		The following is from The Guardian in Great Britain.
		And the headline is, Oil Chief Colon, My Fears for the Planet.
unidentified		Well, since when did any oil chief speak out about our planet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The head of one of the world's biggest oil companies has admitted that the threat of climate change makes him, quote, really very worried for the planet, end quote.
		You're not going to believe this.
		In an interview in today's Guardian Life section, Ron Oxberg, chairman of Shell, this is not a minor company we're talking about.
		We're talking about Shell Oil, says we urgently need to capture, listen to this, capture emissions of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, which scientists think contribute to global warming and store them underground.
		A technique called carbon sequestration.
		Sequestration is difficult, but if we don't have sequestration, Quoting him here, then I see very little hope for the world, said Lord Oxburg.
		Nobody can be comfortable at the prospect of continuing to pump out the amounts of carbon dioxide that we're pumping out at present with consequences that we really can't predict but are probably not good.
		End quote.
		You've got to, I mean, this is, you know, president of an oil, chairman of Shell.
		Sequestration is difficult, but if we don't have sequestration, then I see very little hope for the world.
		Quote, no one can be comfortable at the prospect of continuing to pump out the amounts of carbon dioxide that we're pumping out at present with consequences we can't really predict, but are probably not good.
		Anyway, those comments are probably going to enrage many of his colleagues in the oil industry, no doubt, which is targeted by climate change campaigners because the use of its products spill out huge quantities of carbon dioxide, most visibly from vehicle exhaust.
		And have you seen any pictures of China lately?
		Well, then you know they're driving cars around in China the way we drove them around, the way that we virtually drive them around now.
		Even at that, we still represent about 30-some-odd percent of the entire planet's contribution to global warming.
		There's just a there's a whole there's a whole but to hear an oil company chairman say that better think about that.
		I don't care what your politics a Las Vegas headline Las Vegas Associated Press.
		The drought gripping the West, that's here, could be the biggest in 500 years.
		They've been running this on CNN.
		I'm sure you saw it.
		With effects in the Colorado River basin considerably worse than the Dust Bowl years.
		That's worse than the Dust Bowl years.
		According to the U.S. Geographical, rather geological survey on Thursday, quote, now we can say with confidence, said Robert Webb, lead author of the new fact sheet, now I'm completely convinced.
		Quote, now I'm completely convinced, end quote.
		The Colorado River has been in drought now for the entire decade, cutting an important source of water for millions of people out across the West, including, of course, Southern California.
		Environmental Group said the report reinforces the need to figure out a better way to manage the Colorado River before reservoirs run dry.
		The water managers, they just continue to pray for rain.
		That's all they're doing.
		Well, what else can they do, really?
		I mean, we still are at the mercy of the Lord when it comes to water, aren't we?
		That's all they can do is pray for rain, and praying might be, particularly in view of tomorrow night's topic, an appropriate response here.
		Report said the drought has produced the lowest flow in the Colorado River on record, with an adjusted annual average flow of only 5.4 million acre feet.
		That was between 2001 and 2003.
		By comparison, during the Dust Bowl years of 1930 and 37, the annual flow figured to about 10.2 million acre feet.
		Think about that.
		5.4 million acre feet compared to 10.2 when the Dust Bowl was going on.
		So it's worse than then, but we're not noticing.
		Actually, according to another Associated Press story, here's a headline.
		World's land turning to desert at alarming speed.
		The world is turning to dust with lands the size of Rhode Island becoming desert wasteland every single year.
		Did you know that?
		Now, that's what I meant by we're not noticing.
		Unless you read a story like this and you let the words sink in, then you really don't get what's going on.
		And we're, you know, we're frogs in warming water, and it's warming at a very rapid rate, ladies and gentlemen.
		In fact, it's probably looking out ahead, you can see the boiling point just out there, and that would be us boiling.
		Lands the size of Rhode Island are becoming desert wasteland every year, and the problem is threatening to send millions of people fleeing to greener countries, according to the UN.
		I'm not making any of this up.
		This is an AP story.
		One-third of the Earth's surface is at risk, driving people into cities and destroying agriculture in vast swaths of Africa.
		31% of Spain is threatened, while China has lost 36,000 square miles to desert, an area about the size of Indiana, since the 1950s.
		This week, the UN marks the 10th anniversary of the Convention to Combat Desertification, a plan aimed at stopping the phenomena.
		Despite the efforts, the trend seems to be picking up, doubling its pace since the 1970s.
		Well, if Mother Nature has decided to turn large swaths of previously arid, not arid, but a very, I don't know, moist, previously moist, certainly farmland, good land, into Desert?
		Then I don't know what man could do to stop that process.
		Whether it has anything or any relationship to global warming, one certainly might make the case that, yes, it might.
		It might be another effect of global warming, right?
		Areas the size of Rhode Island simply ceasing to be green, ceasing to grow things, and turning into a desert.
		So boil away, frogs, or listen carefully to some of the stories like the ones tonight that I'm reading to you about what's going on all around us.
		Perhaps there are people who do know the big picture, and all they can do is sort of keep their mouths shut and hope that, well, you don't notice.
		You know, until it's, I suppose, your area the size of Rhode Island that happens to become a hunted desert, then obviously you're going to notice.
		But on a worldwide scale, maybe all of this will just happen.
		And until the end, nobody will notice.
unidentified		Abum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
		Can you hear my heartbeat in the fire?
		You know that the end of the day
		Who's gonna love you, love you, love you Who's gonna love you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We love you, baby, but you gotta call the right number, and it's a little different on the weekends.
		Here's how we do it on the weekends.
		Listen very carefully.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and of course, all of you, and we're about to go to open lines, anything you want to talk about, Spare Game.
		I'm reminding you once again at the top of the hour, we're going to be talking with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		And I'm telling you right now, of all the programs I do, this one I think offers the most intense, hard-to-argue with evidence of ghosts.
		I believe, I do believe, that what we're hearing are ghosts.
		There really cannot be any other conclusion that you would come to.
		Certainly, I have tried to pick it apart.
		Believe me, I'm kind of a technical guy.
		And if I saw any holes in what they were doing, any holes at all, I'd be all over it.
		And they would not be backing back.
		But they are back and back for a lot of reasons.
		One, two, they don't do this for money.
		This EVP, this sound from the grave, these voices from the other side.
		And really, as you listen to the evidence tonight, if you listen with a fresh mind, there really can't be, technically or otherwise, really any other conclusion for what you're going to hear tonight.
		If you wish to believe that, oh, pooey, you know, these cannot be the voices of ghosts.
		Well, then fine, go ahead.
		But I'm telling you, from a technical point of view, there really are no holes in what these folks do.
		And there's really no other explanation.
		Once you get into the content of what you're going to hear tonight, there's no other explanation.
		These are the voices of ghosts.
		We'll do it tonight.
		All right, everybody.
		Let's rock.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yes.
		Oh, hi.
		This is Jim in Pasadena.
		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		I'd like to tell you a story about Maude.
		My father committed suicide in 1977 back in Michigan.
		He was in the hospital at Ann Arbor.
		And my brother and I, who were living in California, flew back just in time to see the viewing the evening before he was going to be buried.
		And a lot of people will say that they can hear the voice of the deceased in their mind.
		And I could do that.
		I heard my father saying, you know, don't worry, son, I'm going to be okay.
		And all over the viewing and during the viewing, that's all I heard was, don't worry, son, I'm going to be okay.
		So, we had the funeral, and I flew back to California.
		And I used to live in this real little tiny kind of a shack house that got real, real hot during the summer.
		And I think about that August, I used to leave the doors open.
		And one night, I was laying on the waterbed with my kind of face against the wall, and I felt somebody come in the room.
		And I just told myself, you know, I'm going to get killed because, you know, I got somebody that's in there, and he's in my house.
		And I was pretty much cowering in fear.
		And then all of a sudden I decided, well, I'm either going to throw a punch or I'm just going to sit there while this guy stabs me.
		So I balled up my fist and I turned around and threw this punch into the air.
		And I heard my father's voice say, it's me, son.
		I just came back to see how you were.
		Boy.
		This is about six or seven months after he had been deceased.
		And it wasn't any kind of hallucination or anything like that.
		It was truly his spirit had come back to see me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		Well, it's not good to punch at a ghost, but I guess it's...
		Yeah.
unidentified		And it was this, his spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally, I would advise it, definitely against punching a ghost, but and then it's dad.
		Well, that brings up a pretty interesting point, and that is who sticks around Earth?
		Surely not all who die remain to haunt the surroundings or the people who dispatched them or did not wish them well or whatever.
		Clearly not all remain, but clearly some do, and it may be that those who take their own life would fit into that category.
		I don't know.
		It's one of the mysteries that we will explore tonight.
		Who goes, who doesn't.
		All the rest of it.
		I'm telling you, this is really fascinating stuff.
		You know, we do frequently entire nights of ghost stories.
		I mean, there is no shortage of ghost stories, believe me.
		And I know that in a lot of cases, you can sort of put it off.
		I mean, as people will do, they say, well, you know, it's in his mind.
		And maybe, maybe it was.
		But what you're going to hear on tape tonight, this is not the product of somebody's mind.
		There's absolutely no question about what you're going to hear, nor the authenticity of the methods used in obtaining what you're going to hear.
		I think it's really, truly chilling, interesting stuff if you wonder about the other side.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Art.
		This is Chris.
		Hey, I just called in just because I picked up the phone, belled the number, and I got in.
		It was amazing.
		I listen to your show all the time.
		Probably been listening for like six, seven years now.
		I remember going on a fishing trip.
		My dad turned on the radio, and we heard this, something about something falling from the sky into a farmer's field, and it was debris from something.
		Anyway, I was totally interested in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely a perfect story to listen to while you're out on a fishing trip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was great.
unidentified		But yeah, I just heard you talking about the ghost stories, and there's no shortage of them by far.
unidentified		I mean, geez, I got something too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But hey, that's one category, as I was saying, sir.
		The ghost stories.
		You can always say, well, it's in somebody's mind.
		But what you're going to hear tonight, no, baby, no.
		What you're going to hear tonight has to be by a reasonable person considered to be a pretty fair chunk of evidence of life after death.
unidentified		I believe it.
		It's hard to deny.
		You should replay the tape, the Siberian tape, where they dropped the microphone in that hole real far and you hear the screams.
		That was creepy.
		That creeped me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope that's not the other side, or any part of it.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, I hope so, too.
		I just want to talk a little bit about karma.
		And I mean, this is a wild card line, so I figure I'd talk about whatever, but I seem to be one of the people that's in the right place at the right time, pick up the phone at the right time, tell the number.
		And a lot of things have happened in my life, a lot of crazy things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's called synchronicity, actually.
unidentified		exactly anything if you can break he did it with the night with the book that the the You kind of caught me off guard that that was kind of creepy that were hard to put.
		That's the one, though.
		That is the first time I heard that.
		I'm like, yikes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's interesting.
		But yeah, like just karma and synchronicity with things.
		And I got in an accident in January, wrecked my car.
		And I was torn apart, didn't have a job or anything like that.
		And all of a sudden, I've got this brand new job, brand new car.
		And I kept being positive about everything.
		And I'm a very positive person.
		It's just crazy how stuff works out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you just got to look past and I don't think it is.
		I don't think so.
		No, I think you're on to it.
		You said it yourself.
		I didn't even have to solicit it from you.
		Even though something bad happened, you're a positive person.
		So positive people will cause positive things to happen, and negative people will cause negative things to happen.
		That's just the way the world works.
		Usually, there can be rare cases of astounding bad luck, continuing unrelenting bad luck.
		But that's really very unusual.
		For the most part, positive people produce positive things.
		Negative people produce negative things.
		So staying positive, your life turned around.
		Not a surprise.
		Nothing paranormal about that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		Art?
		Yes.
		Awesome.
		I've been listening to you for about 10 years.
		You're great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Man, I had a theory about the global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I think the movie The Arrival hit it on the head.
unidentified		I mean, it's almost like I think the government is in cahoots with what they think are aliens and they're trying to tear a form Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they're doing it a Rhode Island-size piece at a time.
unidentified		I wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they're desert rats.
unidentified		And they're making a buck in return, so they're happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I love you, dude.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		I don't know if I want to say that to you, but you're likable.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, my name is Dan.
		I'm calling from Long Beach, California.
		Yes.
		And I just want to, since I was on hold, I want to mention two things.
		One is that when I was going up towards North Town here in Long Beach, there's kind of a couple of odd incidences is that there's one guy was going to get out the bus, and the bus driver wouldn't let him because there was a lot of bees flying around over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then about a week later, when I went to go back up to Long Beach, there was a band of bees flying around within the bus.
unidentified		So needless to say, the whole bus was evacuated because of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they were killer bees?
unidentified		I didn't stick around to find out, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't either.
unidentified		And also, one time here back in 2000, 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Two people I got caught up with, I came out here from Chicago, and this one lady and I were standing over by the ATM machine right at the Queen Mary, which is known to be haunted.
unidentified		And she and I both spotted this one ghost that stood about like 510, wing about 450 in an old, some kind of a Navy uniform.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you know it was a ghost?
unidentified		Because no sooner than both of us turned right back around again, about two seconds later, it disappeared into thin air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would do it, I guess.
		Disappearing is a good sign of a ghost, I guess.
		You know, I don't know.
		I've spent a lot of years investigating all kinds of people who make claims about a death, you know, and what may lie or may not lie on the other side.
		I really have talked to so many people about that.
		But again, what you're going to hear tonight would appear to be, to me, seem to me to be the very best evidence, the very best evidence that there is something after death.
		And that's a very non-trivial question, isn't it?
		It's the biggest question any of us face is whether we will survive in any way the death of our physical bodies.
		Any way at all.
unidentified		Or is this it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tonight, if you listen carefully, it may begin to answer that question for you.
		And good evening.
		You're on the air, coast to coast AM with Art Bell.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Tahunga, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tahunga, California.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling about I had a I had an incident that happened after my mother passed away in 1977.
		And I was witnessing and feeling like a ghost sitting next to me, like kind of like very sweet presence.
		And I even called a talk show on television and told them about it, and they were like laughing it off.
		But I've also seen this, I saw a UFO, it looked like a flying saucer, with a message that said, people of Earth unite and love one another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently it's not being received very well.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead, they're cutting off heads and doing awful things to each other out there.
unidentified		I'm so happy to be able to give that message to you and the rest of the people that are listening to you because I think it's an important one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, but whether it's listened to or not is, I think, of great doubt.
		There are many things that we tell all of you.
		I mean, we like the stories I read you tonight about the environment, right?
		People hear it, and I don't know.
		In the modern world, you just sort of absorb it and go, wow.
		But do you really understand what it means?
		The kind of changes that are going on here, the fact that we're in worse shape than we were during the Dust Bowl years, the fact that hunks of land the size of Rhode Island on a yearly basis are turning into deserts.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I'm all right.
unidentified		Well, I got a kind of a weird story with a twist for you.
		Okay.
		Since I was 18, I lived in this house in Northern California that was built in 1905.
		Now, I'd been listening to your program, and I've actually been educated through it.
		But I would hear these noises in the middle of the night, a scratching on the back of the stairs.
		And I was almost for sure that I would get up and check it and everything.
		And it's an older house, so you'd think it would make all these noises.
		But ever since I've had those experiences in that house of being around what I think is ghosts, I've experienced what you guys have explained as out-of-body experiences, OBEs, tremendously.
		Like what would happen is I would be laying down, not sleeping, and I would almost like raise to the ceiling and be looking down at myself.
		And it was like something else was inhibiting my body while I was sitting there looking down at myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, something happens when you begin to open yourself to all of this.
		And it may have to do with what you believe possible.
		I mean, if you're one of those people who poo-poo's the whole thing, it may be that this just never happens to you because your mind is not open to it.
unidentified		But every time that it happens, it's not the same.
		There is one thing that is the same.
		I can see a whirlpool going around me, but then sometimes there's people holding hands at the top of that whirlpool and looking at me with smiles.
		So I know it's not something negative.
		It's just something that I think I'm not all the way in tune with and can understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you may not know, though, is that behind their smiling faces, you know, they've got scalpels lined up on their belt or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean to worry you, but I'm just saying.
unidentified		Well, I know, but some of these people, they look like some of my family members, but like in different parts of their life, like different years.
unidentified		Like maybe, I mean, I don't know if these photos might be drawn from old photographs I've seen of my grandparents and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, your brain could be making those associations and doing all of that.
		Yeah, it could be.
		It could be.
		Until you get to what we're going to be presenting to you tonight.
		And then no.
		And then once you hear this tonight, and you understand the technology techniques that are used, and you understand the care that's taken, and the fact that these people are not money takers, and they've been doing what actually, you know, EDP, it began with Edison, who thought that it might be a path to hear from the dead.
		Did you know that?
		Not a lot of people do.
unidentified		west of the rockies you're on the air on hello hi my name is mitch i've been listening to you for a few years and i enjoy listening to the program where where are you mitch um...
unidentified		i'm calling from jenow alaska okay what's up three incidents happened and they're all similar but they all happened um...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		years apart What kind of incident?
unidentified		The first one was back in the early 70s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got about a minute, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would I be able to hold on to line and incident?
unidentified		The same thing happened.
		Somebody were knocking on the door.
		And upon opening the door, which only took seconds after they happened, nobody there.
		There was one incident.
		There was brush falling, snow, no tracks or anything like that.
		But each time these things happened, nobody was on the other side of the door, but a family relative had passed away just days after.
		I'm wondering if things like that.
		Not really sure.
		Just each time when the Dovers answered, a family relative had passed away.
		And I'm wondering if other incidents, I mean, similar things have happened or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea, sir, but your story is one of millions.
		Millions.
		Coming up.
		EVP.
unidentified		Falling in love was the last thing I had on my mind.
		Holding you is a warmth that I thought I could never find.
		Just trying to decide.
		I'll stay by your side.
		I know I'll cry.
		I just care for the answers to the questions that keep going through my heart.
		Baby, if I'm done, I've been trying to wait.
		I've been going through now that I've gone too far.
		I'm stuck in the truth, it's right on the ground.
		It's in my house, it feels like me, no.
		I've been running through the moon and star.
		I've been going through now that I've gone too far.
		I've been running through the moon and star.
		is the fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's bone.
		There may be a lot of things you'll begin to discern.
		Tonight, we'll talk of some of them.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In all the years of Doing Talk Radio, this really is one of the scariest kind of nights you can spend.
		It'll be with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
		Both of these members of the Ghost Investigators Society are devoted people.
		The GIS is a non-profit organization.
		You really ought to make immediate note of that.
		Non-profit organization.
		They don't make money.
		They don't sell t-shirts, cups, anything.
		They don't even sell tapes.
		They put them up on the web for you to hear for free.
		They're dedicated to something that's been going on since the invention of electronics, just about.
		And that is ghosts.
		Not only do they conduct investigations, but they also instruct, assist, and educate anyone out there, including you, who believes they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious, in an effort to educate the public about ghosts.
		The GIS hopes the EVP's electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and that these voices you're going to hear may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
		Welcome, Brendan and Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's nice to be back.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to have you.
		And if the two of you will hold on, we will proceed immediately following this commercial break.
		You know, only in America do you get to make a statement like that.
		You know, we're going to talk about life, death, and we're going to come some great way toward proving that consciousness defies physical death.
		And we're going to talk about ghosts right after this commercial break.
		Only in America.
		I have, for years now, talked with you two.
		And I've really, as a technical person, tried to shoot holes in what you do.
		Because what you do is fantastic.
		And it demands some kind of fantastic explanation.
		But I guess we better preface everything by telling everybody, once again, you're a non-profit.
		You don't sell stuff, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Barbara, right?
		Everybody speak up good and loud so I can hear you.
		Lots of gusto.
		Take a deep breath.
		You don't sell stuff.
		You record these voices.
		Originally, you did it on tape.
		And for the first few years of the show, we had some, well, they were poorer quality renderings because they were on tape for the most part, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yeah.
		We did originally have the theory that only tape would record these voices.
		And the reason we thought that was mainly because the working theory on EVP was that it was using the electromagnetic field, that these spirits were using the electromagnetic field to imprint their voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we figured, well, you know, put two and two together, use magnetic tape, and there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it would be the tape head itself, perhaps or even the microphone in some way affected, although that could certainly be true now with that you've shifted to digital, what, about, I don't know, a couple years ago?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd say it was over a year and a half ago now.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Some of us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Some of us.
		Barbara still doesn't like to go back to the digital now at all.
		That guy forced her to buy a digital recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		She only used it once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, why do you stay in the past?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like having my tapes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, you're talking to a guy who uses what are still called cart machines, which could come straight out of a museum.
		I use them right here, and people laugh at me.
		Yeah.
		so I guess I do, in a way, understand.
		You kind of hang on to things that you get used to.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like having the physical tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there is noise in tape.
		Inherently, there is noise in tape.
		And a lot of times what you all are picking up is pretty low level, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's true.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And it is, you know, a lot of times that is the main problem, is some of these voices, especially on the analog tapes, are embedded in that background tape hiss, which is just so horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're forced to filter that out.
		Anyway, here's the deal.
		With the tapes, you use only brand new tapes, rip the cellophane off, only use the tapes one time, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For authenticity, for control purposes, because, you know, if you had a partially erased tape, you might hear a voice that you might conclude is a ghost voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's never been anything ever recorded on these tapes, just so we're clear.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, these are always brand-new tapes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we've been toying with the idea now of taking pictures of Barbara's library of tapes that she has here just to show people how many tapes we actually do go through.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And those are just mine and my husband's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of recorder do you use, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, my recorder that I've used over the years finally died.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It had a million miles on it, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet Brendan smiled.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he did.
		And it's difficult to find a good quality tape recorder anymore.
		I think they're starting to discontinue them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the world is changing, Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, Barbara, it's changing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eventually, you're going to be pushed into it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of what's happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the meantime, what are you using?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I bought the same.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You're using the, well, you were until it died.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The Iowa TPM 920 is what she was using.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Now she's using, it's an RCA.
		I'm not exactly sure what the model number is that she has.
		It's on the website, though.
		If you go to our equipment list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I actually, I use the same exact one that she does now.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But I want to get a different one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm really not very happy with the functions of this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Brendan, I thought you were using digital.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		This is the digital.
		The digital that Barbara just bought that she refuses to use is the same one that I'm using.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		All right.
		Now, there must be an internal schism on this subject.
		And I'm sure you've had long discussions about it, but there is a big difference between tape noise and between digital, which is virtually silent, making any voice you have to bring out much easier to get out and clearer.
		I remember when I began to suggest it to you, and you both went, nah.
		And then finally you sort of slid into it, and you found the voices there.
		Now, is there any difference, and here's where I bet the schism is, in the number of voices that you capture on tape versus those you capture digitally?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would have to say now I think we do get more voices from the digital recorder, and I'm not sure if that's because we are getting more voices or it's easier to hear the voices that are there compared to analog recorders where you'll miss a voice every once in a while because the quality is just so crap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any view on that, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe that it's probably this is just a guess, but I think that the quality is better and it's easier to hear them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I wonder what that tells us about how the voices are imprinted, either in a digital medium or on tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that tell us, the fact that they can do either one?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, doesn't the digital, though, still have the electromagnetic?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To a point, I guess.
		But, you know, I really am thinking now I'm going along with the theory that somehow these voices are manipulating sound that is already in the atmosphere.
		And I think that because a lot of the voices we get, we get them when we're actually talking with each other.
		Or there's some kind of noise that we're creating is when these voices come in.
		Very rarely have we ever picked up a voice when there is no noise whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that more times than not you're engaging in a conversation with a spirit or that a spirit is responding to something you have said or do you think you're just sort of listening in on what's happening somewhere else?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think the majority of the time there's actually some very small form of conversation.
		Obviously, and we've gone over this with you through the years trying to build up a conversation with these entities, whether it was using a real-time recorder or just being utterly silent when we ask a question and trying to hear a response.
		I think there is a very small amount of conversation going on.
		I do believe a lot of these voices respond to questions that we ask or something that our group is doing when we're out, whether it's amongst ourselves and whatever we're doing has nothing to do with the spirits themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You both are well aware, I'm sure, of the multi-dimensional theory that most theoretical physicists now subscribe to.
		It's almost widely believed now that there are many, 11 at least, dimensions.
		Yes, yes.
		So another dimension is certainly one possibility for a source of these voices, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's true, but it's obvious on most of these voices that they're interacting with us and they're aware of us.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that could be, you mentioned the dimension, and that could be because maybe there's a very thin line between our dimension and theirs if that was the case.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		However, why would we be getting these voices in certain places that are, as you said before, associated with death, whether it's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your line is to say something usually like, well, you know, yes, we go to cemeteries, but you can get EVPs anywhere, and you don't have to be in a cemetery, and yet I've noted over the years you keep going back to cemetery like lemming.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's a very interesting way of putting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I mean, it's true, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you do, tonight, for example, where, pray tell, will the majority of the voices we're going to hear be coming from?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, this is, tonight is going to be an interesting show because I would say the majority of these are actually recorded from Barbara's house.
unidentified		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be the same Barbara who said that whenever she leaves a site, she always says, don't follow me?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But we were aware when we moved in this house that Shortly after we moved in, that there was a presence here, at least one, but I think that there is more than one here.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've had quite a bit of incredible happenings here in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you all find that a little disconcerting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, graveyards, old execution chambers, and God knows the places you've been, and now your house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and my husband wasn't too happy about it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He thought I got the house because I knew it was haunted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is he right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't have any idea, but it's a bonus to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a bonus.
		Well, see, most real estate agents, you know, they don't pass on, even though they're required to, but by law, information like that.
		Well, here we've got a nice little two-bedroom haunted house with a nice loft upstairs for hanging people.
		Yeah.
		So your own house, I mean, how long have you had the house before you came to know this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We had probably just lived in it for a couple of months before.
		Well, as soon as I brought my husband to look at it, he was aware of it.
		He said that there was something here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this an old house?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was probably built in the early 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that old?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the history?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of it.
		It used to be property connected to our neighbors.
		It was a farm.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that's right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And then the people got elderly and sold this plot of land, and the house got built on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No violence.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have several neighbors around us that believe that they have entities in their house also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Now, it's more and more interesting.
		You live in Utah, don't you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Utah?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In Ogden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Ogden, Utah.
		And so your neighbors also think there's haunting.
		So the haunting is in the area.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I do believe that, you know, with the amount of places that we have been in this area alone, in Ogden, I mean, there's been so many locations here that have had so many different haunting activity.
		I mean, different things happening and just different kinds of phenomena happening.
		I do think it's definitely the area that we're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the majority of these will come from your home tonight?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Probably at least half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other half?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Cemetery, mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Theaters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this gives you a chance to stay home and do what you do.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we did do that for about a week.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Brennan would come over here and we'd just be sitting around our table and talking, or he'd be working on the computer.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I basically turned it into a vigil of just sitting here, and any time I was here, having a recorder going.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There was one night we were sitting here at the kitchen table and we have a cordless telephone that was sitting on the table and all of a sudden it just started rattling and rattled right off of the table and that was with four witnesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Oh.
		Well, I was just saying earlier when I was talking to somebody who had called that when you open your mind to this sort of thing, you open a door.
		And, you know, I think a lot of people who just toss this out as impossible, implausible, just can't be, it doesn't happen to them, or rarely to them.
		Occasionally, skeptics, you know, get haunted or whatever, but it's pretty rare.
		Most times, it's people who are open to this sort of thing, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I think, you know, and it's something, sometimes ghost activity is so subtle and quiet, if you're not watching for it, it's easy to miss.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, like something moving or floating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the audience also should know that you are far from the first to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That EVP actually goes back to, was it Alexander Graham?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was working on a machine to be able to communicate with the dead at the time of his death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's really something for people to imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alexander Graham Bell working on communications, telephone, and that early in the technology, why would he be imagining that it might be a method to talk to the dead?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, it really doesn't surprise me.
		I mean, if you think about where we're at right now as far as technology, and think where we were at even 20 years ago, I mean, look at how much it has changed.
		And look at how many things we have learned from it.
		So can you imagine in another 20 to 40 years what we might figure out?
		And, you know, what now we would think, okay, that's completely crazy.
		Why would you even think of that?
		And in 20 to 40 years, it would be the most common thing in the world.
		And I think eventually, life after death and ghosts is going to become like that.
		It's going to become something that is so accepted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really believe that?
		I do.
		I really believe that.
		There'll be cell phone companies offering plans.
		Talk to the dead.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I'd go that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Free incoming calls from the dead.
		You've got to laugh at some things anyway.
		So you really think it'll become that common?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I do believe that in time, the technology will increase to the point where it's something that is accepted, and it is something that people realize is a legitimate thing that's happening.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's a legitimate phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can this be advanced from the equipment you're using and the way you're going at it right now, electronically, technically, how can we make an advance in trying to talk to the other side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any thoughts on that at all?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think, And I really don't know how we would do this.
		And I mentioned this earlier in the show, that this is something we have tried before.
		I think the obvious next step is to figure out a way to actually have a conversation with these beings, to actually have them respond to you and you be able to respond to them in hopefully real time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These beings, that's a very cautious phrase.
		Do you believe these are souls that were at one time living and walking on earth and are now physically dead but still there?
		Is that what you believe these are?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what I believe.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I do believe these are the souls of people that have lived.
		They have had a body.
		They have led lives and that they have passed on.
		And for whatever reason, their personality and their consciousness is still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then when we come back, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to begin to play these for you.
		And I ask that you open your mind and that you consider what you're about to hear fairly, understanding this is a non-profit organization, that their technical methods for doing this are pristine.
		So if you have another explanation for what's about to happen, I'd sure love to hear it, because over the years, I haven't found it.
unidentified		I'd sure love to hear it.
		So
		Some bell in the morning when I'm straight, I'm gonna open up your gate and maybe tell you about Phaedra and how she gave me life and
		How she made it in Some velvet water When I was trained Flowers growing on your hill Driving flies and duffled hills Learn from us very
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, music, of course, kind of sets moods for me anyway, and for many of you I know.
		And this song sets the perfect mood, in a way, for what we're about to do.
		We're going to reach across some sort of veil.
		There is a veil there.
		There is a kind of a stopper there.
		But we found a way to do it.
		We're going to reach across that with EVP and listen to voices from the other side.
		Just over the hill in Las Vegas, Joseph writes, please ask those two about European attempts to improve EVP technology by talking to scientists on the other side.
		I've read reports of video conference-like interactions with spirits and of other side scientists saying they are developing equipment there.
		Now, that's people, scientists on the other side, scientists who have died, saying they're trying to develop equipment on the other side.
		Have you two heard anything about any of this?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You'd be surprised what we've heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed, please, because I didn't know a thing about it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and actually, you had mentioned before Alexander Graham Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And he had told somebody that when he passed on, he was going to make every effort to find out a way to contact the living.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I can't remember the person's name he had told this to, but they were going to try every way possible to contact him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this would appear to be contemporary evidence that this might be occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That they might somehow, I mean, excuse me, but on the spirit side, you don't imagine material things existing for furthering this kind of communication.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's, you know, it's so hard to imagine what it is like over there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, because it's something, you know, we as human beings can't right now comprehend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's what I try to draw from every time I do a program with you.
		What's it like on the other side?
		These give us little clues, don't they?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like they do.
		I mean, every once in a while, you know, we'll ask the question, what is it like where you're at?
		And I can remember one time I received a response from, it was a male's voice that said birds.
		It was the only word he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's a half full glass response.
		The ones I remember are dark and cold.
		Well, they're the ones that stuck with me.
		It's dark in here, and it's cold, and I didn't like either one of those.
		All right, look, we'd better get down to business.
		These have been gathered over the last how long, you two?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, let's see.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I would say the last month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, last month.
		Okay.
		What's number one?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, right before we get into this, we're going to do something a tad bit different tonight from what we've done in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I can tell you right now that our server admin, Jamie, at modemlink.com is going to hate us for this.
		We have created a gallery on our website of these EVPs.
		And we linked it here about, oh, I'd say two, three minutes ago.
		And it's on the front page.
		It's on the right side of the front page under the news column.
		If you click on Coast to Coast EVP, you will be able to, in order of how we're playing these tonight, hear each one of these voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Off of the website.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So the listeners that are hearing these, if they want to go back and hear these again, in case they thought, oh, no, I think it said something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, trust me, all night I will get fast blasts from people who's hitting it.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what it said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is what it said.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So they can go to our website and go to that gallery, and in order of how we're playing them tonight, they're all numbered.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They can listen to them and make their own determination of what they believe it's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go, folks.
		Interactive radio.
		So you go to the CoastCoastAM.com site, click on their site, and or go directly to it, which is GhostPics.com.
		Ghostpics.com.
		Spell that out.
unidentified		G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X.com.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And giving all that out right now, we'll soon put ghostpics.com on the other side.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I'm hoping we don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll see.
		We've killed more than one.
		We've got a lot of notches in our barrel.
		All right.
		We're on the stock.
		So, okay, here we go.
		Number one, please.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this first one, you're going to hear Brendan say, is anyone else down here?
		We were in a mausoleum.
		Oh, and Brendan had gone downstairs to make sure nobody else was down there.
		And because we were getting ready to leave.
		And so you'll hear Brendan say, is anyone else down here?
		And a child's voice, it sounds like a child, that says, I need more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Is anyone else down here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, we start right off with the kids, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of children.
		It's very disturbing.
		Very disturbing, of course, that we get children.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I'd have to say, unfortunately, I think a little bit over half of these voices tonight are kids' voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Or they sound like children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that absolutely.
		Well, we'll listen again.
		We're going to listen again.
		Listen carefully.
		You decide for yourself.
		Is this, first of all, there were no children.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, we never children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No children in the mausoleum.
		You don't bring children with you, period.
		You don't need to bring other adults with you.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, him just mentioning that, that's interesting that you mention it because when I recorded this voice, I was next to the children's crypts.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And they have a specific section where they do keep children, children under, I believe it's 16 years of age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and that's right where i was when i recorded this voice well do that many Yes, I think that there's a lot of children that pass away before they ever reach their late teens.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It sounded like I need more.
		I listened to that.
		Let's play it again.
		Here you go again, folks.
		Is this or is this not a child's voice?
unidentified		Is anyone else down here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, that was a child's voice.
		I need more.
		I wonder what you might make out of that.
		I need more.
		What?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's up for speculation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you two do that?
		Do you speculate about what you get?
		Of course, yeah.
		You must, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just natural to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think that child meant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I need more.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I couldn't even.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know R. I couldn't even.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It had a kind of a plaintive sound to it.
unidentified		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you notice at the end when he actually says more, it's almost like he can't pronounce the R. Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just, I mean, it's a way a child would say it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, a lot of this, when I'm trying to figure out the nature of the other side, floors me.
		You would think.
		All right, so what is the other side?
		Let's see if I can ask you about that.
		Are we hearing heaven?
		Are we hearing hell?
		Are we hearing something that's neither one of those?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's neither one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think they're still in our realm, and they haven't progressed on for whatever reason to where they should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you determined that that's any particular category?
		Is it people who commit suicide?
		Is it people who die unexpectedly?
		Is there any?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's that and other reasons.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think each individual ghost that still remains around us has their own reason for staying, whether they're ignorant of their death or denying That they're dead or don't realize they're dead, but I don't believe that everyone that passes away stays as a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number two.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this was actually in the same mausoleum on a different night, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I had gone back downstairs where I recorded the previous voice.
		And I had gone down there by myself because everybody at the time in our group was upstairs and we thought we had heard someone downstairs.
		And we knew for a fact nobody should be down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got you.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So we were actually in the mindset that somebody had broken into this mausoleum.
		So I went downstairs and I get down there and realize that nobody's there.
		And you'll hear me say, okay, never mind.
		And then I kind of do a little nervous laugh, like, okay.
		And after that, you're going to hear a kid say, run.
		And then he makes another noise after that.
		And to me, at first, when I heard it, it sounded like he said run again, but just kind of forgot how to say it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, let's see if we can decide for ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here you go, folks.
unidentified		Okay.
		Never mind.
		Okay.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that was a suggestion to you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I almost wonder about that.
		I almost wonder if he, for whatever reason, just didn't want me down there.
		You know, I don't think it was because I was in any kind of danger or anything like that.
		I think he just, for whatever reason, didn't want me there.
		He didn't want me in his space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that you seem to have determined over the years is that ghosts reflect the personality, whether it's a good one or a bad one or even a rotten one or a foul-tempered or whatever, of the person as they were in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't see why death would change your personality if the consciousness survives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you feel this child just wanted you out of his space?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He could have been talking to other children and telling them to run.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, I guess that could be it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much indication is there that certainly you're aware when they're talking to you and when a remark is absolutely in response, has to be in response to something you've done or said.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I would say, you know, about 70% of the time it is in response to something that we've done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you think it is the rest of the time?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like they're interacting with each other.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We've received voices where they actually talk to each other.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This next one that we're going to be playing sounds like two different voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's rock.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were in a mausoleum, and you're going to hear Brendan ask, where's Barry at?
		And the first voice sounds like it says, help me.
		And then this other voice comes in and says, I'm okay.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to play that again right away.
		I heard the help me.
		It sounded like a very dispassionate help me.
		Yeah, it monotone, right?
		It didn't sound like, oh my God, there's the shark, help!
		Not like that.
		But very flat, very flat, very monotone.
		here it is one more time folks her who Thank you.
		I don't know about the I'm okay part.
		It was close, but the Help Me was very clear and very monotone.
		Do you make anything out of that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To me, that's almost like they are responding to each other.
		I really, I don't believe that one had anything to do with us.
		Other than, you know, it just happened to record after I asked, where's Barry at?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder, and I guess you'll have to wonder too because you can't answer it, but I wonder if we sound the same to them.
unidentified		That's interesting.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many EVPs have you had that indicate by the nature of what's said that they can see what you're doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not so much what you're saying or thinking even, but what you're doing?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think we've had quite a few.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I would say over half.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've been told where items are that one of us might be looking for.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, the next voice indicates that the child that's speaking this saw what it was that was recording its voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		All right.
		What is the next one?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one, this is also from a mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this, I had left the recorder upstairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just realized it says Maus Kid, and I just realized what that means.
		You have that written here.
		Mausoleum Kid is what that means.
unidentified		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, anyway, go ahead.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, this one, I had left the recorder upstairs.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We had all decided to go downstairs and videotape the basement area of this mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I left the recorder, and it had probably been sitting up there, I would say, for about five to ten minutes when this voice Was picked up, and everybody was with us.
		We knew nobody was upstairs when this voice came in.
		And you're going to hear a child's voice again, and it says, Hey, and the hay is really kind of loud and distinct.
		And then there's a pause, and then it says, What is that for?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was when, and none of you were involved in provoking this by saying anything.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we were not upstairs at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just left it running.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is another child's voice, and again from a mausoleum.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's totally freaky.
		And it does.
		Let's see, what do I hear out of that?
		Of course, it's being suggested to me what I hear by what they've written here, but it does sound like, hey, that's quite clear.
		And some inquiry about what that's for.
		Listen.
unidentified		Help me.
		I'm not a fool.
		Help me.
		I'm not a fool.
		Help me.
		I'm not a fool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that is, that's inquiry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an inquiring mind.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it does, you know, to me, that one really does make me feel that it is asking, what is that recorder for?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Or, of course, it probably doesn't even know what that is.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you're trying to put together what the other side is like, then curiosity has to go into the mix.
		If we interpret properly here, that that's a child reacting to the presence of a recorder, and it does sound that way.
		Hey, what's that for?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that's such a typical child's response.
		I mean, to be curious like that and, you know, asking, what is everything for?
		I mean, I've got a three-year-old nephew that that's all he does.
		I mean, he asks, what's that?
		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, it just sounds so much like a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is too many children already.
		Now, any idea why we hear so many children?
		I mean, why should children be sentenced, virtually sentenced, to staying earthbound instead of going on to wherever it is they should go?
		They're the innocent.
		They haven't had time to be bad enough yet to be stuck like that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think a lot of it's because they haven't had time to comprehend what death is.
		I mean, and if you notice, a lot of these children are young.
		I mean, very young to the point where they definitely wouldn't have the concept of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
		Stay right where you are.
		Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook are my guests.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, you're listening to the Voices of the Dead.
unidentified		Voices of the Dead
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually a good night to listen to the dead.
		That's what we're doing.
		Or if you think not, then offer another tangible explanation for what we're hearing, knowing the circumstances of the recording and the care taken in everything being done to obtain these voices.
		Now, I've concluded that is what you're hearing.
		And I don't know that I'm altogether happy with what I conclude about the nature of the other side after hearing it.
		We'll be right back.
		The little child that said, I need more.
		Laura in Arkansas says, well, maybe that means he needs more of some kind of energy in order to communicate.
		Maybe Help Me refers to the same thing.
		They probably rely on this side, meaning our side, the physical world, to provide an avenue to respond.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt that at all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		As I've mentioned before on previous shows, we've noticed that when we've taken People with us that are really feeling a lot of fear and are really afraid, it seems like activity has increased at those times more than previous times when it's just the GIS there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask on behalf of the audience, we've dealt with this before, but it's an obvious question.
		And that is, number one, actually a quick question.
		Have you ever picked up EVPs in another language?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rare?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We don't get it as often as we'd think we would.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but we're going to pick it up.
unidentified		You know, we're in an area where it's mostly English.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it make sense that if you went to Paris, for example, and went to an old cemetery in Paris, that your expectation would be that the great majority would be French?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, without a doubt.
		In fact, a lot of EVP research now is coming from Germany.
		A lot of the really serious research is coming from Germany.
		And we actually, on our website, we have a link to a German website that is doing some amazing EVP research.
		And I would say with the exception of maybe three of their EVPs, they are all German.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All German.
		Okay.
		Again, that makes a suggestion, indeed, about the nature of the other side.
		And that would be that you remain, apparently, in the general geographic area that you lived and died in.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		And I think a lot of that is because you're familiar with that area.
		You're familiar with your surroundings.
		And, you know, the reason you're staying behind is probably has something to do with the area that you died in.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I also believe that you're linked, ghosts are linked to the location that they haunt.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They're linked to it from life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you were on vacation in Paris and died?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you'd stay there necessarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, thought is instant, and I think if you wanted to be in Hawaii, bam, you'd be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pleasant.
		That's pleasant at least.
		All right, number five.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This was recorded in the mausoleum also, and you're going to hear Brendan say, all right, let's go see if Barb's upstairs.
		He was talking about me that he didn't know where I was.
		And it sounds like a child that responds and says, I can't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		all right Oh, that's not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The tone of the voice, well, that's not good at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleading child's voice, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it sounds distraught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not just an I can't see.
		It's an I can't see.
		Kindra.
		One more time.
unidentified		All right, let's say first, cheers.
		I hope you.
		I hope you.
		I hope you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, almost crying, actually.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, we were discussing on the break, the members of the GIS, when you had mentioned about what is it like on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And my husband brought up a good point, which we all believe, the members in the GIS believe this, that the other side is what you carry over mentally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Almost.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That show that Robin Williams is in, it's kind of an older show.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Woods may come.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Something that I just noticed, a great majority of the cuts that we're playing tonight are interwoven with something that one of you all is saying.
		Now, I would think that most times you would take a recorder and just sort of leave it in a place, as you mentioned you did for one of these cuts earlier.
		But most of them are right around something that one of you is saying.
		Why do you think that would be?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I really think that goes back to what I was mentioning at the beginning of the show, that I personally believe that these voices are using sound that's in the atmosphere.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, whether it's us talking or just the whirr of a fan or something, that's how they're using, you know, they're using that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're modulating it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I really believe that's why we really don't get a lot of EVP when we just leave a recorder sitting around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the answer is you don't get a lot, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Very rarely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think the one that we played a couple tracks back is probably one out of, I would say, ten that we have ever received when we just leave a recorder sitting around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I'll kind of leave it to the audience to come to some of their own conclusions about what that means.
		Number six.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'm sure you're going to be happy about this.
		We have finally left the mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		So this one, this is in the, it's called the Egyptian Theater.
		It's a very old, old-style theater in Ogden.
		And it has a history.
		It was built, I believe, 1908, 1907, 1908.
		And then it was closed down in, I believe, the 60s or 70s for a number of years, and then they refurbished it and opened it back up.
		And while they were doing the construction to reopen it, there was a report that a small girl had died in this building.
		She had gone to work with her father one day, and her father was building the scaffolding up on top of the stage.
		And for whatever reason, she climbed up there and fell and fell onto the stage and broke her neck.
		I mean, this is a good 75, 50, 75 feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And so this girl, and her name's Allison, she is reported to haunt this theater.
		And people have seen her sitting up in the VIP box seats, you know, from when people are standing on the stage, they look up in the box seats and see this small 10, 11-year-old girl sitting there.
		And this is when the theater is completely closed down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you two, what, made a day of it and went to this theater with, I might add, everybody, they always get permission, whether it's a mausoleum or a graveyard or wherever it might be, they get permission of, I don't know, the powers that be to be where they are and do what they're doing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We do, and I'm glad you brought that up.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We don't want people going out there, you know, into a cemetery at 12 o'clock in the morning, you know, because you are going to have problems with law enforcement being in there at that time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have been traveling through places and we've actually flagged down.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've flagged down a police officer to see if there would be a problem if we go to the cemetery in the town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I am glad you brought that up.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We always do get permission, and I would encourage anybody else that goes out and does this to get permission of the location you're wanting to get into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what, I mean, do you spend an entire night, for example, at a cemetery, or do you spend a couple of hours, or what's typical?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it depends.
		You know, if it's a cemetery, it depends on the weather.
		It depends the kind of results we've received from that place in the past.
		I mean, there's been times we have sat in the cemetery for a good seven hours.
		You know, we'll go get dinner and bring it into the cemetery and sit there eating hamburgers on lawn chairs.
		So, yeah, that's what we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		People are going to want to know how frequently you get a recording, a voice.
		How infrequent is it?
		Do you have to dredge through hours and hours of tape to get one voice or what?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes we do.
		That also varies.
		And we have yet to be able to determine any kind of correlation with anything, whether it's weather or solar storms or anything like that, on what causes more activity to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you ever hit the mother load and just get all kinds of voices on?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's been times.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's been visual sightings of events along with voices.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It just depends.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And there's sometimes it's in the same location.
		We'll go to a location one night and receive absolutely nothing.
		Nothing on video, nothing on recorders, nothing.
		And then the next night we go, we end up staying eight hours because of how much is happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now we're in an Egyptian theater.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And on this clip, I'm actually talking to the security guard who was relating some stories to us about things that he had seen in this theater as he's doing his rounds through the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we kind of got off the subject of ghosts, and we started talking about something that was in the news that day.
		And you'll hear me on this clip say, the kids that just went nuts and started breaking into cars and lighting them on fire.
		And then it sounds like a young girl's voice says, tell me more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Kids that just went nuts and started breaking all the cars and lighting them on fire.
		Oh.
		Tell me what?
		Tell me what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that one's really something.
		Let's do that one again right away.
		Again, you're hearing Brendan's voice just talking about some kids who are breaking into cars and then lighting them on fire.
		But the voice, listen to the voice.
unidentified		kids just went nuts and started breaking all the cars and lighting them on fire.
		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		That's a beaut.
		Tell me more.
		Tell me more.
		Well, there's an invitation, and it brings me back to, I don't know, it brings me back to what I said to you one other time about having a tape machine or a device so that you could respond.
		I mean, that was an invitation for you to say more.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And he did finish the story.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just finished the story and never heard this voice again.
		And, you know, when we do that, and we do hear a voice like that that is directly responding to something that we have said, we do listen very intensely after that voice comes in to see if that voice ever responds again to anything else that we might have said.
		And I would say there's maybe three times that that has ever happened.
		But to get back to your point about having a conversation with them, we had a man, his name was Christopher Helms, and he worked at, he was an electronics engineer for an Air Force base in Idaho.
		And he offered to build us a couple of these quote-unquote real-time recorders.
		He'd send us about probably five or six prototypes of just trying to perfect the actual timing of the tapes.
		And the first two that we used, I think we would get through one tape and go to do the next one, and then it would just eat the tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the idea, folks, obviously, is that instead of having to take the tape home and pour over it for hours, find the voice, and then have no way to respond in time to it, the idea was to have a machine that would instantly record something and almost instantly play it back so that if you heard a voice, you could respond to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're saying that there were mechanical difficulties with it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was quite a few, actually.
		We did get one final prototype that seemed to work at one point.
		And I do remember, actually, maybe it was three or four shows ago that we did with you.
		We did play a voice that I recorded with a real-time recorder.
		But I don't believe it was actually any kind of second response.
		I mean, there was me saying something, and then the voice responded to me, and then I actually hear it on the recorder, and you hear me saying, I heard you, can you please repeat yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And there was nothing after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number seven.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		On this one, it's in the same theater, and you'll hear Brendan say, I can hear it from back here.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And it sounds like a woman that responds and says, we're not done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		I can hear it from back here.
		Where are you?
		Where are you?
		Where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very, very, very clear.
		Her voice is, there's no question about what she's saying.
		We're not done is indeed what she's saying.
		Listen.
unidentified		I can hear it from back here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing that you have to wonder about that, is there?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Except what she means.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and actually, the reason I was saying is I can hear it from back here was Barry had asked me, you know, can you hear that whirring sound in the background?
		And we were in this theater, and we could not figure out where this sound was coming from.
		And we never did figure out where that sound was coming from, but it sounded almost like a fan was turned on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're about to go back to a graveyard.
		Now, I know the things you have said, but you do keep going back to graveyards and to the place of the dead.
		And one of the things that is very disturbing to me is that I would not, I'd really rather not hang around where my old rotting, worm-infested body is slowly rotting away.
		And I can't imagine why spirits would wish to hang by their bodies.
		Do you have any thoughts on that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I do not have an idea Of why some graveyards are so active.
		Unless I know this one particular one is on a fault line, and I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
		But it would just be pure speculation on why some cemeteries are active and others don't seem to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do people who are cremated hang by their ashes?
unidentified		Oh, I believe they do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, to give you an example, this mausoleum that we played a few of these voices from tonight, a lot of the people that are in this mausoleum have been cremated, and it's just their urns that are sitting in this mausoleum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So making the ashes as important to the departed as the body?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		and it's a safe place for them to be, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I like it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if I had the body in my belly got cremated, I wouldn't want the jar in case it got tipped over and broke.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I'm just laughing that you said it's a safe place to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on.
		We'll be back shortly.
		What do you think, folks?
		Hang around the ashes the way you would the body.
		Guarding the ashes.
		Guarding the body.
		Still feeling an attachment to it like I'm told amputees feel the limb is still there, just connected to whatever is left.
		Ew, I don't know if I like that.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of the Internet, Robert in Riverside, California has blast, hey Art.
		A reason why spirits hang around their bodies, their ashes, is because that's the best place to communicate with the living.
		If a relative, for example, wants to visit them and talk to them, they go to their graves or they go to their ashes and talk to them, don't they?
		You know, I never thought about it that way, but of course, that's absolutely true.
		Once again, the GIS, represented by Barbara Macbeth, of course, and Brendan Cook, and you two are back on the air again.
		You don't take any money for what you do.
		You know, and it seems like you could.
		In other words, this would be something where you could, oh, gosh, you could write a book for sure.
		You could sell tapes, definitely.
		I mean, this is something that lends itself automatically to writing a book or selling tapes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		To be honest, we could be quite comfortable, actually, where we're at right now.
		We have had quite a few people write to us, trying to get us to do a book, or trying to get us to sell the CDs of our voices.
		I can imagine, you know, even sell the shirts that we wear.
		I mean, yeah, we could actually make money at this quite easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, we choose not to because, I mean, there's so many people that do it now anyway.
		And I think that's really what hurts this kind of work.
		Because people, if they don't want to believe this, the first thing they assume is that you are doing it only for the money.
		And when they find out there's no money involved, they actually sit there and look at it and go, well, why else would they be doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you want people to conclude?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would like them to realize that after death, they are going to continue on.
		They aren't going to just disappear and not have any kind of existence anymore.
		And how whatever they are in life is going to continue after they're dead mentally.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, on this, we were in a cemetery at this time.
		And you'll hear on this clip Barbara doing her trademark spiel about, you know, if anyone's in the car with us, please get out, you're not welcome to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right, yes, of course.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And after that, after she says that, you're going to hear, it sounds like a young girl, and she says, either see you go or we want to go too.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I distinctly hear we want to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's an important distinction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what everyone hears.
unidentified		if anyone's in the car, please get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
		I'm not sure.
		I don't know what I hear.
		I'm going to have to try it again.
		I don't know that I hear that.
		Let's try it again.
unidentified		If anyone's in the car, please get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what I hear, Barbara.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		When we were listening to it, that's all I could hear was see a goat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Okay.
		We're still in a graveyard, aren't we?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That one, too, I wanted to point out is that was in the car when that was recorded.
		They do get in the car with us.
		I think that they get right in with us and are driving around sometimes in cemeteries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've asked you this, of course, before, but what you say is intended to dissuade them from going home with you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's for the benefit of my husband, because he doesn't want them to come home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Telling the truth here?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Telling the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do want them to come home?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't bother me if they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it bother you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We do know that they have on occasion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it bother you, Brendan?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, it really wouldn't.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, in fact, I think, with the exception of one of our members, I think every one of us has something in our house now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Why do you think that is?
		I mean, they're not following you on.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's maybe the number of investigations that we've done that at some point something has attached itself to each one of us, which it would make sense, and there's definitely a lot of reports and a lot of cases of that happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it a little like in the computer world continuing to open attachments, eventually you're going to get a worm?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good analogy, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they're like worms or viruses or something in a sense.
		And certainly if they infest your house, it is not a bad analogy.
		All right, number nine.
		We're going slowly here, so number nine.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We were in this same cemetery.
		The mosquitoes were so bad, we just decided to just stay in the car and not get out because you could see these hordes of mosquitoes the size of a seagull flying around.
		So we were just recording in the car.
		And Brendan had cracked the window and lit up a cigarette.
		And this was in broad daylight at the time.
		And you're going to hear me say, speaking, I was talking about the mosquitoes.
		And I says, you don't have to worry about the rear.
		And I was sitting behind Brynn and he was driving.
		And Brynn says, all right.
		And I says, I'm watching your back.
		And then it sounds like a woman that says, now we've got some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see what we've got.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to worry about the rear.
unidentified		All right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm watching your back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		No options.
unidentified		No options.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's in their car.
		See, so I don't know.
		We've got two things going on here.
		One, we've got spirits that apparently want to stay by their graves or their place of resting.
		But on the other hand, they're getting in the car and they're going home with you sometimes.
		And certainly in the car at this moment, I would say, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to worry about the rear.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I'm watching your back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very clear.
		When you do the two replays, in other words, you give me everything in context on tape first, and then you replay what was said by the entity, and you appear to increase the volume.
		Is that all you do?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
		We do, on the two loops, following the context, we do amplify it.
		And it's simply, you know, just for clarity, just to get people to kind of get a better feeling of the voice itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far down below the taped voice, say, of one of you two is the average EVP in volume?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think a lot of times, and I'm going to say 80%, it Is much lower than we are.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But there are times that it is louder and much louder than we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And does that appear to be connected to large emotion when that occurs?
		I mean, is it somebody obviously very distressed, very angry, very emotional in some way?
		Not necessarily, huh?
unidentified		Uh-uh.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, one of our members, actually, Jenny, pointed out that at times when these entities talk, it is almost like when you hear somebody who's deaf and they try to talk.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They have no...
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's as though they cannot hear the sound of their own voice, and therefore they can't project the sound properly.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And they also don't pronounce the words the way you're used to hearing them.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, it really is a good analogy between that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As though they can't hear their own physical voice, so they've lost touch with the way to create the words.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, in this one, we were in Evanston, Wyoming, and we were investigating a store up there.
		And we'd gone in after hours, after the store had completely closed.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		any reason to investigate store i mean I was told that it used to be an old mill, an old lumber mill that used to sit there at that property back in the old West days.
		And I don't know there could have been deaths at that location at one time.
		But it's pretty active in that store.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You two, do you think that it's the actual physical place that you're in, as in a mausoleum or a graveyard or, I don't know, a theater or wherever it is you are, or it's the area itself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you were to suddenly remove the theater, would the spirit still be haunting the same physical place?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
		This town, this particular town, it used to be quite a big railroad town in its heyday.
		And the railroad owned a lot of property.
		The area that I live in was owned by the railroad.
		There was a huge hotel up the road from us at one time.
		There were stagecoaches and carriages that used to take people from the railroad station up to the hotel.
		The history here is very rich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10 is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this one, you're going to hear the man that had asked us up to this location.
		You're going to hear him say, well, you don't really need me to stay, though, do you?
		Or do you want me to stay?
		I don't know if he was kind of a little freaked out by what we were doing and just didn't want to be around when we were doing it.
		But you can tell he's kind of apprehensive about it.
		And then after that, you're going to hear, and this sounds like a kid again, it sounds like a kid says, please stay here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
unidentified		Well, you don't really need me to stay, though, do you?
unidentified		What do you want me to say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really interesting.
		The child appears to say, please stay here.
		Listen very carefully.
unidentified		Well, you don't really need me to say, though, do you?
		RD, you want me to say?
		30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please stay here is exactly what it sounds like, and that's a child for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so this was the man who had actually solicited you to come up and do some recording because of activity there.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		He actually, didn't he work nights in the?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's been there at nighttime doing work late by himself or with one other person.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And like I said, he's experienced events in that place that can't be explained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you able to talk to this man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I know we've got another cut coming up from this, I believe, but were you able to talk to this man and give him any answers?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, and most of the time we do not get answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, he would say, look, did you get anything?
		I suppose.
		After inviting you up there, he'd want to know what you found.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as far as that goes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were talking about the man that we had actually recorded here on the next cut.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I didn't realize you were talking about the man that asked us up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard the next cut yet, but we're all about to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 11, what's up?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My husband was setting up some equipment at the far back of the store.
		He was there by himself, and he recorded this voice that says, knock it off or I'll.
		And then it just stops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's nothing else to go with this.
		What you're going to hear is just the voice of the entity.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He never finishes the thought.
		Knock it off or I'll what?
		He just says, knock it off or I'll...
		It could be saying that.
		or it could be saying knock it off a while.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, a man's voice, finally, up to a full grown man.
		All right.
		Let's squeeze one more in before the top of the hour.
		I think we can.
		Number 12.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one and the rest of the ones following are all going to be from Barbara's house.
unidentified		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this one, this was interesting because it was actually recorded where we're sitting right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		At her kitchen table.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And she had handed me her recorder.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		My old tape recorder.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because she had lost the strap that connects to her wrist on it.
		And you'll hear her say, where's the little pin that was in it?
		And I was looking at it, trying to fix it, and I tell her, it's in it.
		And Barbara says, in what?
		And then I point to it and say, in there.
		And then you're going to hear a man's voice again say, hey, get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, get out?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is in your house.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's listen to this.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Where's the little pin that was in it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's in it.
unidentified		In what?
		In it.
		Oh.
		Hey, I'm the Arab.
		Hey, I'm the Arab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's no good at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's in your house, Barbara?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Barbara.
		Mark, I think I agree with Brendan.
		Jeez.
		One more time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Where's the little pin that was in it?
unidentified		It's in it.
		In what?
		Amen.
		A in the arms.
		A in the arms.
		A in the arms.
		Oh, good Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you react when you heard that one, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I really didn't have a reaction.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm not going to get out until I'm ready to get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but this is not a friendly invitation.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor is it delivered in a friendly manner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was attitude with that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and a lot of them have attitude.
		You've heard many that have had an attitude.
		But there's nothing ever threatening or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but usually you're in a graveyard or a mausoleum or someplace like that where you can get out and go home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is in your home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we've had a lot of stuff take place here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which, how much of it indicates that you're in friendly company, I guess I put it that way?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anything too.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There hasn't been anything negative happening here.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, there's been gifts show up that we can't explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Little gifts, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		An old, old coin that we don't know where it came from.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was in a box that we packed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just showed up.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's my husband.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a hat.
		Oh, well, that's wonderful.
		All right, you two.
		Hold on.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very well aware that at any given time, we've got probably thousands of guys in big rigs trucking along out there on the nation's highways, probably clipping along about 70 or 80 miles an hour.
		And they've got this cranked up in the cab.
		And they're alone, or at best, their partner's asleep in the cab behind.
		And they're listening to all of this.
		Good luck.
		Tomorrow night, a very rare interview with Dean Raden.
		He doesn't give many of them.
		Dean Raden is involved in, has been involved in, the Consciousness Project.
		And he's a very rare individual who is working on what I consider to be perhaps the biggest force in the universe.
		Maybe the biggest force there is, consciousness.
		That's Tomorrow Night with Dean Raden.
		And I wonder if the two of you agree with that.
		Consciousness, it seems like it's a very large force indeed when it's focused.
		You do agree?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more powerful than we give our credit to the power of the consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, much more powerful.
		Do you think that consciousness is the soul or a product of the soul or just the mind?
		Because I ask that because what we hear tonight appears to be consciousness.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I really think it's definitely a part of the soul.
		I don't know, you know, because we hear all the time that that is what a soul is.
		It's consciousness.
		And I don't know if that's necessarily true, but I definitely think that that is a main part of it.
		I mean, that is what we're hearing when we're recording these voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		We're hearing consciousness.
		All right.
		Well, let's hear some more of it.
		Number 13.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Brendan was working on my computer, and he was in the little office where the computer is.
		And I had offered him a flashlight, and he says, you'll hear him say, I can see it fine, just one screw that I have to take out.
		And you're going to hear a woman say, this might help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you do hand him a screwdriver?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it my voice?
		Oh, oh, I see.
		Oh, all right, here we go.
		I can see it, Bob.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This one's true that I take out.
unidentified		Just want to get on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I personally have always thought that there was some other force that hung around computers.
		That's pretty good, though.
		This might help in a woman's voice.
		One more time.
unidentified		I can see it, Bob.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Just one screw that I take out.
unidentified		Just one tail.
		Just one tail.
		Just one tail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure that's not Barbara's voice?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know it's not my voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That sounds nothing like Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, another woman in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barbara, do you have any sense of how many spirits are currently occupying your home?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that there's at least three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There might be more, but I know there's at least three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think those three would be there if you were not in the EVP?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that the spirits that are here in this house were here when we moved in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I only have one reaction to give you, but my wife, Ramona, is listening to this program tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I asked her what she thought during the break, and she said, well, of the voices, she said, I just feel sorry for them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have to feel sympathy for these souls that are still here with us.
		They don't sound happy.
		Very few of them that we've recorded have ever really sounded happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There may have been a couple of children that had some happy moments, or it sounded like they were having happy moments.
		But aside from that, you're right.
		They do not sound happy.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They don't.
		They almost seem very confused.
		It's almost like they don't know what's happening.
		I mean, they're aware of things, obviously, but it's like they have no concept of what's going on, no control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Let's go back to what Barbara said when I asked about what you would expect people to conclude about all of this as they listen.
		I mean, it is very disturbing.
		And as you listen to it, if your reaction is to say, I feel sorry for these people, then your conclusions about those who are trapped in this world after death, well, they just can't be that rosy about how it is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's, you know, they're, you know, how were they when they were alive?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I know of so many people that are just completely miserable, and they cause their own misery most of the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
		True enough.
		Number 14.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, on this one, you're going to hear me say, and this should work just fine.
		And I'm talking about Barbara was having me set up her recorder in the kitchen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I just finished setting it up, and I say, and this should work just fine.
		And then after that, you're going to hear a man's voice.
		And it sounds like he's almost kind of singing this.
		He's got a singing tone.
		And it sounds like he says, come and have a look at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that should work just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		All right, now I certainly hear, come have a look at us, but I don't hear anything singing about it.
		Let's try it again.
		and it's worked as far well As a matter of fact, you two, you know, it sounds to me flat, kind of like the others.
		Flat.
		I don't know that I heard the singing part of that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can hear that, you know, it's very monotone in his voice itself, but the way the sentence almost is structured to me, I mean, it just struck me as it was kind of like he was singing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe he was telling you to die.
		Come have a look at us, you know.
		Come on over here.
		You've got to laugh a little.
		Okay.
		Do you two expect, and there's more than two of you, by the way.
		GIS is made up of like a half dozen or so, isn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's five of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five.
		Five.
		Okay.
		Do members come and go?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, it's been the same five of us since 1998, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I bet you've had a lot of people who wanted to join.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we've had people get mad when they can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
		Do you tell people, look, you don't need to join.
		You can do this yourself?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they can, right?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they can definitely do this by themselves.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You can really spend as much or as little on this as you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really should repeat this because it bears repeating.
		Over the years of doing the shows with you two, we have perpetually invited people to go give it a try.
		And then I'll get some emails and I'll say, what a bunch of baloney.
		But you know what?
		I'm tired of all this.
		I'm going to do it.
		I'm going to take a tape recorder and I'm going to go out.
		And more times than not, and I mean this, more times than not, I get a second email from somebody going, holy, and then my little emails have little, when something bad is said, they have like a little hot pepper that comes up in front of the email and there's like hot peppers there because the exclamations they make can't be repeated.
		But, I mean, they're really shocked.
		People do this themselves, and they do get results, and it scares the you-know-what out of them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's really kind of, I think it's kind of neat when we've had people go out with us, and they are there, they know what's taking place, and when we are able to play a voice back to them, they were there at the time, they know what was being said by who,
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		and to be able to let them hear a voice where they were that they did not hear, that's interacting with something they might be saying or doing is really kind of an exciting thing to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exciting for you, perhaps, because you've been doing it so long.
		But for somebody who just cracks out a recorder, you know, probably pretty skeptical, but they just, you know, say, okay, fine.
		It's within my means.
		It's easy.
		I'll give it a try.
		And then they get results.
		What thrills you just scares the you-know-what out of a lot of other people.
		And it's understandable, frankly.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, because we tend to be afraid of what we don't understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it scare you at first?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I just thought, oh, great.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Here's another tool to be able to use to show that the consciousness is continuing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Brendan, you seem to have a few more reservations about how far involved in this you wish to be than does Barbara.
		I mean, I get the sense that Barbara would invite these things into bed with her at night.
unidentified		You know, that really...
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think I've actually recall Barbara saying that when she passes on, she does want to stay behind.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		After listening to all of these, that's a shock in itself.
		You really mean that, Barbara?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to be able to stay around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, but I'm a happy person, so I don't know if I will be able to, but I'm hoping that I have a choice.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you get an opportunity, if, say, you do happen to go before Brendan, which is a definite likelihood, since I'm quite a bit older.
		I see.
		And then you happen to catch him one day out with his recorder.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to try to give him the best EVP he's ever recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 15.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right, this was also in the house, and Brendan was showing me how to use my new digital tape recorder.
		Well, it's not her tape recorder, but my digital recorder.
		And you'll hear me ask, it's the stop when I do?
		No.
		And Brendan says, if you stop, it stops it.
		And I go, oh, and there's a woman's voice that says, now it's poking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's the stop when I do?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Stop, it stops it.
unidentified		Oh.
		No, it's poking out.
		No, she's poking out.
		No, it's poking out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it's talking about.
unidentified		Maybe it's referring to the button.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if it's contextual, then that's what you were talking about, right?
		If you push this or push that, right?
		So maybe it was referring to that.
		I mean, listen again, it's in context.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's a stop when I do?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Stop.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It stops it.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some who will say, well, could that be Barb's voice?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I have definitely never heard Barbara sound quite like that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Not even close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless she was doing it in a very low voice, talking to herself About the control.
		But I've heard too much to believe that.
		So, number 16.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, and this, again, was recorded in Barbara's house.
		Actually, it was actually recorded in the guest house behind Barbara's house.
		But you're going to, I had walked in there because Barbara was mentioning how, you know, in the middle of the summer, this house is always cold.
		There's no air conditioning in it.
		There's no nothing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's no insulation.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It should be just as hot as blazes in the summer.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I walked in there and it was definitely cold.
		It was a lot colder than it should have been.
		And you'll hear me, I walk in and I say, well, God, there's a lot of dust in here.
		And I'm kind of trying to hold back from coughing.
		And then you hear me say again, there's definitely a lot of dust in here.
		And after that, you're going to hear, and this is hard to determine if it's a woman or a man's voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But it sounds like someone saying there's no one to help him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make up your own minds, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
unidentified		I think there's a lot of dust in here.
unidentified		There's only a lot of deaths in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that's very interesting.
		That is hard to discern the sex of the voice that we're hearing.
		I agree with that.
		There's no one to help him.
		Meaning, what?
		The dust?
		Is it in context, or is this just a grab out of the ether?
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		It is very interesting.
		Good job.
		There's definitely a lot of dust in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, the same monotone in there.
		Again.
		All right, here's somebody who writes about this.
		It's Mike in Toledo, Ohio, and he says, a couple of observations.
		One, inflection annunciation is definitely off.
		Do they think it's due to disembodied voice, in other words, no larynx to produce the voice?
		Could this be what thought sounds like electromagnetically?
		And three, this person would like to get, Mike would like to get your thoughts on the validity of clairvoyance.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, as far as the voices go and how they sound, I think it goes back to what I said earlier that if you compare it to the way a deaf person sounds when they try and talk, I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that they cannot hear themselves and in a sense, i guess have you know over time forgot how to actually speak uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		do you Do you think it's because there is no real larynx, there are no ears, there is no hearing, this is a, as this person said, it's like an electronic or an electromagnetic rather projection only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And modulating, I kind of like what you said earlier when you said that it takes ambient sound that's being made and modulates it into what they want it to be.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think definitely that's it.
		I mean, obviously these people do not have larynx or ears or and who knows really if they can hear themselves when they do this.
		But definitely it's such a different way to produce a voice than the way you and I do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then it's the projection of voice electromagnetically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a bad guess.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's very plausible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is a technology that I wonder if we have ever fooled with that.
		I mean, tried to create a situation where it would be easy.
		Now, here's something you all might want to try.
		If your conclusions are correct, then perhaps you want to provide a medium that can be easily modulated.
		Has that occurred to you?
		Oh, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it definitely has.
		And I think it's just the matter of working out which is the best way to do it.
		Which is best to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some sort of sound or some sort of frequency that would be going on that would be easily utilized, perhaps not easily picked up.
		I'm trying to think about this.
		Not easily picked up by the microphones, and yet easy to modulate electromagnetically.
		In other words, provide them with a sort of electronic larynx.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I actually, the site I was talking about earlier in Germany is using some form of, I guess you would call it white noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Kind of a backdrop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
		That's exactly what I meant.
		You have considered trying that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I even considered generating, you know, certain tone frequencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		We've got a break.
		This is Coast, and we'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good lord, maybe the Germans are on to it.
		Maybe that's the next step in this technology.
		Maybe what you need to do is provide those on the other side with an electronic Lornex white noise generator going in the background.
		Something for them to easily modulate, probably with thought.
		That's really pretty exciting stuff if you think about it.
		The Germans, I would say, are probably onto something.
		They really are.
		I mean, you're almost providing an electronic larynx for manipulation with white noise.
		So that's an awfully good idea.
		Of course, it probably means that white noise will kind of screw up a recording.
		So I wonder, are the Germans getting the balance correct so that they can pick the voice out through the white noise?
		Or is the white noise virtually invisible somehow to the recorder?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times, like I said, you can go to our website and there's a link to a German website that is doing a lot of that research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can hear it for yourself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what are your impressions, just for my own benefit here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you hear the white noise yourself?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You do hear it, and I think a lot of the times it seems to actually drown out the voice.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's almost like you hear that more than you hear the voice itself.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like on the order of our first tapes that we were recording.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Quality is not...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got you.
		But the concept seems very sound.
		And if not wheat noise, then some other way that those from the other side could electromagnetically manipulate a sound, which is nothing but a frequency.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I think that'll definitely be the next step.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The next step in the research, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		We're at number 17.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On this one, you're going to hear me saying, we were talking about a good friend of ours.
		He had gotten sick, thought he had mono.
		And you're going to hear me saying, you can tell he's real quiet and draggy and it hurts him to talk.
		And man is recorded saying, we can talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can talk.
		Here we go.
		Oh, no, no, no, we don't go there.
		That was kind of a good place to go, but it wasn't the place that we're about to go.
		It helps to have the right CD and the right player.
		Sorry about that.
		All right.
		Coming up, number 17.
		And again, you'll hear something that says, apparently, we can talk.
		listen anything else go tracking or her to talk the the there was almost uh...
		there was There was almost some inflection in that voice, if you listen carefully.
		We can talk.
		There's almost inflection there.
unidentified		Listen.
unidentified		Now he thinks that he's so draggy and quiet and tired of her sitting to talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of inflection in that, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's not so one line, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Remarkable.
		All right.
		All right, this next one looks interesting.
		Something about a microphone?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no.
unidentified		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Now, how's this for irony?
		We were in Barbara's library, myself and Barbara's husband, Roger.
		And we were preparing to input one of his EVPs onto the computer.
		And I was actually setting up everything to get it to where we could input it onto the computer.
		And I have this habit of talking to myself while I do it.
		So you hear me going select microphone, and then I say we've got a feed on it, you know, talking about the line into the computer.
		And then you hear this, it sounds like an old man saying, I'll get the key back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		Select microphone.
unidentified		We got a feed on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God Clearly saying I'll get the key back.
		I suppose, you know, it could be something else.
		And it could be the psychological suggestion that we've been told by these two what they think it says.
		But, I mean, it does say that, doesn't it?
unidentified		Listen again.
unidentified		Select microphone.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We got a seat on it.
unidentified		I'll get a seat back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I want to ask this right now, but have you ever had any EVPs that are religious?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I don't I don't think we have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Not that I can recall.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The closest thing I think that we come to that has been we did get a recording of a voice of a woman saying, I'm near the light.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've had references to the light.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's about the closest to religion that we've come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's close to religion.
		I don't know.
		I guess I was reaching out for more like, I met Jesus.
		I saw God.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we've never recorded a voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None of that, huh?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Number 19.
		I want to get a couple calls in here if we're able to, so we're almost done.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one, some people that we know had lost their daughter to cancer, a little girl at about nine years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to hear my husband Roger telling Brendan and Jenny about this, and you'll hear him say, and their daughter died about two, three weeks ago.
		And a woman says, I see a wealthy girl.
		This family is a prominent family here in town, and they are quite wealthy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the voice says, I see a wealthy girl?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's listen.
unidentified		No doubt they're dying about so future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I feel lucky.
unidentified		I feel lucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you would think that would be, I don't know, perhaps the last thing you would think about would be the relative wealth of anybody when you don't have a body anymore, but.
unidentified		And the daughter died but, "Hmm, it's you, Teresa." I feel lucky, Jo.
		I feel lucky, Jo.
		I feel lucky, Jo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		anything on meaning there folks well other than the family wealthy that's the only thing i can So did I. I mean, why even think of wealth at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All that would be left behind, wouldn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You would think so, wouldn't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you would.
		Somebody in the audience would like clarification on this.
		You say you're using a different machine now, a digital machine.
		Are you using DAT tape or are you using some other digital form?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We're not using DAT tapes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have thought about that, and I'm sure eventually we are going to start using them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Right now it is basically just an internal hard drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a hard drive?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So some kind of portable hard drive recorder?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be darned.
		And a standard mic?
		Would you tell everybody what you use?
unidentified		It is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's just a standard stereo mic.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		External mic.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is all we're using.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does it seem to make any difference the quality of the mic you use?
		I mean, you could do all kinds of things.
		For example, there are different microphones with different responses, and then you can do pre-amplification and all kinds of things at the site.
		Have you toyed with that thought?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have, and we have used a lot of different mics.
		And it doesn't, to be honest, really seem to affect the EVP.
		It affects our voices and the investigators' voices, but not so much the EVP itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number 20 in the last one.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, on this one, this also was recorded in Barbara's house at the table that we're sitting at right now.
		And you'll hear Barbara's husband, Roger, he says, what did you say, Brendan?
		And I said, it was at the very beginning.
		And I'm referring to he was trying to find EVP on a tape that he was listening to.
		And after I say it was at the very beginning, you're going to hear a woman's voice say, that was funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indicating somebody has a sense of humor or understands humor on the other side, maybe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Worky Shirt Gren?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		at the very beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I I'm trying to make out for sure what was said there.
		That sounds like a, I think, a relatively young woman.
		Here you go.
unidentified		Workies here, Gren?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was at the very beginning.
unidentified		Is there a sign?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a relatively young woman, I would say.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, that's quite a variety of voices from your house, Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a point of interest here, as a matter of curiosity, should you invite some of these creatures, spirits, into your bed, for example, how would Roger feel about that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Roger don't want them in the house at all.
unidentified		Oh.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't like them being here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not pro-spirit.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's not as comfortable with it as I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, you're extremely enthusiastic about it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I'm very comfortable with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how does that go?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, when we first moved in, he was upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I can imagine.
		He probably just laid down money on a, you know, whatever.
		And here he walked right into the lion's den.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he, you know, he told them to stay away from him and not to bother him when we moved in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a sense of any of this when you moved in?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I he so you weren't leading Roger into the lion's den?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, and when we first came, when I first brought Roger into the house to show it to him, we were coming through the garage and into the basement and coming up some stairs to come upstairs.
		And he was on the stairs where he said, oh, great, there's ghosts here.
		He's a little more sensitive.
unidentified		You mean...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he recognized the fact before you did?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if there's any around or not.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't feel nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, but your husband is sensitive in this area.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's more sensitive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so he said, oh, there's ghosts here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sure you said, oh, gee dear, I'm sorry.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I said, I didn't, I thought he was kind of, he wasn't happy about this house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get that sense.
		All right, look, let me try and squeeze a couple of calls in.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with GIS.
		Good morning.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Art, I'll get right to it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Brendan and Barbara, one of my favorite shows.
unidentified		Oh, thank you.
unidentified		Have you guys ever attempted relatives or acquaintances?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		We talked about it one time a friend of ours who committed suicide.
		The family started having activity in the house after he committed suicide, and they asked us to come over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many requests on average?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose when you do programs, you probably get a number of requests to come and check out a certain location, don't you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's just overwhelming.
		I mean, there's no way five people could respond.
		And, you know, plus there's a lot of traveling involved.
		The locations are not close to where we are, and since we fund ourselves, it's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you allow people to send you funds to travel to a location?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would seem reasonable.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Most people that have this kind of thing going on, most people really couldn't afford to pay for our way there.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		What we will do is advise them as far as what they can do in their own home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we will try as much as possible to get to the location.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But if we can't, we will advise them what they can do to actually find out if there is a ghost and what it wants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's what most people want to know.
		If they think they live in a haunted location, they would no doubt like to know the nature of the haunting and the person or spirit and I guess as much information as they could get.
		So I'm sure you do get calls from Atlanta, Georgia, or wherever and say, look, I'll pay your way out.
		I want you to do your work and find out what you can about what's happening to me.
		Do you get that?
		Is that the way it goes?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We haven't had too many people offer to pay our way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, this is Everett in California.
		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hello, Barbara.
		Hello, Brendan.
		Hello.
		I would like to urge a little caution, and I refer to the works of Edgar Casey.
		He indicated that at the death of each soul, a copy of that life is created.
		That copy stays close to the earth.
		That copy is for a specific purpose.
		When the soul returns, if there are habits such as drugs or various other things, that soul picks those up on the return.
		And this is a machine, a program that's running.
		It should not be confused with the true afterlife.
		And there shouldn't be the empathy for the young people or the old people, but they should be understood to be copies, to be operating programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's all nothing but listening to it.
		They're listening to part of a machine.
		Is that what you believe?
unidentified		They can be communicated with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you believe, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're part of a larger machine, that's all?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Every soul that dies creates a copy of itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the danger that you mentioned, what is the danger?
unidentified		Is that these are represented as true entities on the other side.
		They're very one-dimensional, and they're simply operating as programs.
		But they're there for the purpose of implementing karma.
		When the soul returns, if they have a smoking habit, if they are overeating and have gluttony, their returning souls are modified instantly at birth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, there you go, folks.
		That's an opinion, but an interesting opinion about what you're tapping into.
		Comments?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, I do think it's interesting.
		The only thing I really don't get, though, would be if that was the case, why do we get contemporary information?
		I mean, it could explain everything else, but the contemporary information that we get, if this was just a program that for some reason we're tapping into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a random affair completely.
		There wouldn't be interaction.
		exactly well it's a good place to leave everybody kind of uh...
		not having all the In the meantime, we've got you all, and I cannot tell you how I appreciate your coming on the air And doing this again without profit motive.
		And if this doesn't cause people to think, I just have no idea what in the world would.
		So you will continue on the quest?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's a new adventure every time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your website, one last time?
unidentified		Is www.ghostpics.com.
unidentified		That's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they can hear what was on tonight, and they can hear many others on the site, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good night.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good night indeed.
		Well, I guess that's it for tonight.
		But there is tomorrow.
unidentified		If you could read my love, what a tale my thoughts could tell.
		Just like an old-time movie about a ghost from wishing well in a castle garden or a fortress strong, with chains upon my feet.
		You know that ghost is me.

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