David Sereda recounts his 1968 UFO encounter in Berkeley, sparking lifelong research into zero-mass propulsion and helium-3 fusion, which could power the U.S. for a year from a single shuttle cargo bay of moon dust—yet NASA denied $20M funding despite Nobel laureates’ support. He links crashes like Roswell (1947) to White Sands’ gamma radiation, while callers describe a 1958 triangular craft with no radioactivity and crop circles holding mass-to-light conversion blueprints. Sereda’s upcoming films, including NASA UFO archives, suggest advanced extraterrestrial tech may now reveal itself due to human technological progress, upending energy and even genetic narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
The darkness of the heat remains about 81 degrees right now behind us.
And this is supposed to be posted 25 times the entire something to think about.
And so is the photograph I've got for you tonight on my webcam.
Not all will be interested in this, but it is a bit of history and it comes from a fellow named Mike Sullivan, who's a ham, K7HQ, and what a wonderful picture he's sent.
It's a tire.
I thought you might be interested in a picture attached, which I have up there, of my grandfather's ham radio station taken in 1919.
Granddad was a pioneer in amateur radio, building his first station in 1913.
And the radio equipment pictured includes a detector, tuner, and audio amplifier that is genuine DeForest-built equipment.
Not just the DeForest audio tubes.
DeForest built a few pieces of complete equipment as well.
Today, it's rare as hen's teeth and would be worth a small fortune.
Just after World War I, my grandfather, in the picture, was part of the U.S. Army Signal Corps, and he worked on developing the first radio communications with aircraft of any kind.
So I thought you might be interested.
What you see pictured there is indeed some of the very earliest radio equipment in the world.
So that is history.
Thank you very much, my friend, and I'm glad that I could share it with the audience.
So thanks, Mike.
Now, do you recall that last night I read a story from Whitley Streeber's Unknown Country about Bob White?
Bob is a 73-year-old man who had an encounter, who had a pretty close encounter and had an object drop something, which he was able to recover.
There have been a number of tests done on it.
And as a matter of fact, today I got the following email.
I am Dr. Robert H. Gibbons, Executive Director of the Museum of the Unexplained in Reed Spring, Missouri.
Bob White does not use a computer.
The man who found this object and had the encounter.
So I do all his emails for him.
He wanted me to email you to tell you we have heard that you talked about the Kansas City Star article and Bob's UFO object on your program last couple days.
And so I'd emailed your website with no effect.
At any rate, we've connected now.
So in a moment, instead of hearing me read the story as you did last night, thanks to Robert H. Gibbons for the email, we've got Bob White right here, and he can tell you all about this in his own words.
And by the way, we've got a photograph of the object that Bob recovered on the website right now.
And when she did, this thing just shot up in the air to my left, which would have been east, and connected with something else, like two blue neon-tubular lights, one on top of the other with a space in between.
And then it went across the sky out of sight.
But before it did, my feeling now, after thinking about all this, this thing was ejected from it.
Because had it broken off and fallen, logic tells me that it would have fallen straight down from a gravity pole, and it would have been miles from me.
Looking at it, my understanding is it's been tested to be.
The word was aluminum in the story, or largely aluminum.
But, you know, just before we get to discussing that aspect of it, I'm looking at this, and it looks like this thing has been subjected to a lot of heat.
I mean, it looks almost like the damn thing had been melting or...
unidentified
They do.
Yes.
They also agree that it is something that is not organic from anywhere on Earth or outside of Earth's atmosphere, that it's manufactured by intelligence.
And I'll tell you what, you know you're talking to a trusting guy when halfway through a conversation on a radio program being aired on 500 affiliates nationwide, he starts giving his phone number out.
Oh, Bob.
Welcome back.
So, Bob, there's a number of things.
I want to finish up with this.
I mean, so far, that wouldn't have turned you from U.S. military to 2ET, not getting a rejection slip, in essence, from NID saying it's terrestrial in origin or something.
That wouldn't have done it.
So what did?
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Well, when they told me all this at Los Alamos.
Now, the reason I went to Los Alamos was I still didn't know what to do.
Bob, there's one other, well, more than one, but one important question I want to ask, and maybe there's nothing to this, but in so many cases of close encounters like the one you had, people end up with missing time.
I wonder during this whole encounter thing, was there any distortion of time or any missing time that either Jan or yourself noted?
Had you, I mean, usually when an experience like this occurs and you get back in the car and you're on your way to Las Vegas, two people would normally sit and talk about what just happened to them.
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We did.
When we stopped at this little diner, we were talking about it, and there was only two tables in this diner right behind the counter behind us.
And we were talking about it at the counter.
And one of the guys got up and came up to me.
He said, you people saw something out there tonight, didn't you?
And I said, yeah, we saw some lights.
And he said, well, have you reported it?
And I said, no, I don't know who to report it to, and why would I?
What I want to happen now is I want the world to pay attention, and I want these scientists to get their heads out of the sand, and I want our government to come clean.
You were fortunate to have someone to call, Bob, because I was lamenting about this last night.
If you have a sighting, perhaps there was a day in America when you could pick up the phone and call a close-by Air Force base or something and report it.
These days, if you call an Air Force base, as it said in the email I got, you're going to be turned on to some airman or something who doesn't have the slightest idea what to say to you and may write down what you say and pass it on to a lieutenant who will laugh and throw it away.
You're right.
Our government officially doesn't investigate this kind of thing anymore.
Not after Blue Book, Bob.
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I know.
But there's so much more to this story.
Just so much more that I have learned since then.
I have read and studied books and talked to scientists here, and I have learned so much that it's just impossible for anyone to deny that this is, like the Kansas City Star, when they printed the article, and I'm very grateful for that.
once you've seen something or make that twice in my case you never quite exactly the same person ever again you know it don't come easy you don't come easy you know it don't come easy I'm gonna play your tunes if you wanna see the blues and
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you know it don't come easy You have to tell me about you.
Can't even play them easy.
Forget about the past.
And hold your son.
You can run, but you can't hide in the junior.
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Well, you just heard an hour-long account by Bob White of an experience he had and an apparent artifact from that experience and where it's and what it's done to his life, really, in a lot of ways.
I told you tonight was UFO-related, and so it shall be.
David Sarita's first aspiration in life, he's our guest coming up, was to become an astronaut.
That's what he wanted.
In 1968, though, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses.
And, once again, after this experience, David grew up, you might imagine, as a UFO enthusiast, never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947.
His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy, science has led him on his career in related fields.
He's worked deeply in high technology on environmental and humanitarian issues, and as a professional photographer for over 20 years, he studied world religion, science, physics, and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.
in a moment David Cerritos It would be kind of, I guess, in keeping with what we've been discussing tonight.
Well, it's actually quite amazing because in 1967, 68, I was born in 1961 in Berkeley, California, walking home from school.
We used to be Star Trek fans back then, and my brothers and I were all gang up and watched Star Trek after school.
And we used to drop pennies, my friend Tommy and I, down the manhole to hit the guy on the head with the orange hard hat.
He would come running up, screaming after us, and we would hide.
I remember dropping the penny, hitting the guy in the head.
And when he came up, we were running, and we noticed everyone's looking at this metallic disk shining in the sky, and everyone came out of the manhole.
The whole street was packed, and I remember people knocking on their neighbors' doors.
And there's this shiny, metallic, you know, shimmering UFO.
And we thought, oh, it's the Starship Enterprise.
And, you know, when we got home, and I told my father and my mother what I had seen that day, it was like, no, those things don't really exist.
I mean, that's just a TV show.
But I had a series of dreams, repeated dreams, of one set of multicolor lights spinning one way and one spinning the other way, the opposite direction, on the same axis.
And what's interesting about the dream is many years later, it was actually in the 1970s, three physicists, Bardeen Cooper and Schaefer, won the Nobel Prize for what is known as Cooper's pairs.
And they spin electron pairs in opposite directions on the same axis and they get superconductivity, the ultimate state of conquering inertia and resistance.
So there had to be some meaning to the dream, and there was the answer many years later.
Well, actually, at that time, my stepfather, Dave Cooper, was a science teacher.
And I was collecting scrap missions of every Apollo mission there was and just dreaming about going into space.
And I really believed.
In fact, I remember one day eating lunch at a restaurant in Vancouver, Canada, and this man just standing up out of the blue and tapping me on the shoulder.
I've never seen him before in my life.
And he says, excuse me, sir, but I see you as an astronaut in your future.
And then he went and sat back down.
And I thought, oh, my God, maybe I'm really going to make it, or I'm going to get abducted one day.
I have been able to be in the company of some of the greatest physicists of our time, working on nuclear fusion and working on hydrogen breakthrough technologies and a lot of high-tech stuff, including bomb detection, for major, major physicists.
And I was able to be a fly-on-the-wall theoretical physicist for years in front of people like Bogan Magwich, Murray Gelman, Norman Rostocker, Glenn Seaborg, who chaired the Atomic Energy Commission.
I mean, in fact, even today in the hallway, I bumped into a UCLA physicist, Jim Roseborough, who's a professor of physics at UCLA, and he said, I don't believe in UFOs.
In fact, technically, they're not even allowed to believe in UFOs because they just get laughed at.
In fact, you end up finding out when they retire, they're very interested.
But while they're in office, in fact, I remem sending Murray Gelman, the 1962 Nobel Prize winner in physics, who is said to be the greatest scientist since Einstein by many physicists today, discoverer of quarks and all these subatomic particles.
Well, I still am unable to grasp how your work in ufology got you next to These guys, or were you legitimately working in no, I was legitimately working for them, and they didn't know about my interest in UFOs.
I was working for them trying to do, like Bogdan Castle Magwich had developed a nuclear fusion device using helium-3 and deuterium, which is far beyond cold fusion, far beyond tritium fusion.
And then I met all these guys.
I met the head of the Russian space program at the time.
Well, where I was is I got a letter one day from John Bryson, who just took over Southern California Edison.
He's an ex-environmentalist who becomes the new CEO of Edison.
And Edison decided to invite me to bring in all these alternative energy scientists.
This is back in the late 80s.
And I read about Bogdan Magwich.
There was an article called Bogdan Magwich Knows How to Make Non-Radioactive Nuclear Power, So Why Isn't He?
in the Omni February 87 issue.
And I phoned him up and I said, you know, the President of Edison wants to meet you.
So I met Magwich on the steps of Edison.
That would be 1987, 88.
And I thought it was going to be a slam dunk.
I thought this guy had scores of Nobel laureates supporting his work.
He had already funded three prototype models.
In 1987, the Air Force at Kirtland in New Mexico just finished feasibility studies on Super Cray-2s to find out if the next stage would achieve beyond break-even fusion using helium-3 fuel.
And helium-3 fuel is so energetic, nine grams of helium-3 can produce the energy of 1,000 barrels of crude oil.
So to give a comparative model, the government fusion reactor at Princeton, which is Tolkamach fusion, they fuse deuterium and tritium, and they get about 100 million degrees.
And they have a lot of problems containing the temperature.
The genius of Magwish was that he built a self-colliding beam magnetic field that every time the heat or energy tries to radiate out, the magnetic field keeps throwing it back into the center.
That's why it gets so intensely concentrated in the center of the device.
And he was able to clobber tokamak fusion in temperatures.
But if you had a fusion reaction of this magnitude going on, and unlike a conventional reactor, you have a water problem, you've got a little fudge time in there to correct things.
But it seems to me if you lost your magnetic field, it would be very unpleasant.
Most nuclear reactions, including slow fission of uranium, you're basically taking energy in the form of heat and boiling water.
And water, of course, you get pressure on pipes, and there's a lot of, you know, of course, radiation.
Slow fission of uranium produces 200 million electron volts per fission, sorry.
And you lose 60% of that by the time you convert your thermal conversion from heat back into electricity because you're boiling water and turning turbines.
Cold fusion, deuterium-deuterium, produces 3.67 MeV, which is a fraction of that, and you lose 60% again because it's a heat thermal conversion, which leaves you with about 1.2 MeV.
Now, helium-3 fusion is benign.
There's no heat conversion.
it produces all charged particles that convert directly into electricity, cutting out or obviating the heat cycle and making it much more efficient.
And he had this three models developed working, and then the Air Force at Kirtland did tests for the final model on Super Cray-2s to simulate the reaction.
And the results were classified, described as groundbreaking work on fusion power, which I had access to those reports.
The reports were so stunning, they said there was no reason, no instabilities.
They would attain beyond break-even.
One square meter would produce a gigawatt.
That's a full-scale nuclear module.
One gigawatt, a billion watts in a square meter, and nine grams of the fuel, which you can hold in your left hand, and that'll produce the energy of 1,000 barrels of crude oil.
Then what happens is James Fletcher, who's head of NASA in the late 80s, and Earl Van Lanningham, whom I've had very long conversations with about fusion and UFOs, he was head of propulsion, power, and energy at NASA, and they were begging for this thing.
They were like, the space station has these solar panels up there.
They have very, in terms of doing high-energy experimentation in space, they have a very small amount of power on the space station.
They would love to have a lot more.
They would love to have a gigawatt.
Of course.
They're nowhere near that.
They're in the 100-megawatt range, down in that range right now.
So a gigawatt is a dream.
And further, Van Laneham Said that you could use the reactor and you could open an iris, open and closing iris at the back of the reactor.
And he said 18 MeV protons, that's 18 million electron volt protons, could, as an anti-proton propulsion system, could send spacecraft up to one-tenth the speed of light, which is 67 million miles an hour.
And today we can only do, the space shuttle does 18,000 miles an hour.
He said the studies were being done at the University of Wisconsin at Madison into anti-proton propulsion systems.
And based on the two criteria that NASA needed, propulsion and an energy source, James Fletcher approaches Congress, this is late 80s, asks for the funding to complete the reactor.
And even at that time period, I believe in the last days of Howard Hughes' life, He was very close to signing the check himself, but in fact, he read it personally, but never got around to signing it before he died.
Every investor, I had a company, well, firstly, I in 1992 was appointed as director of the L.A. Tesla Foundation, and under that foundation, we were promoting scientific discoveries for a better environment.
I was invited to speak in Congress in 93, which is Clinton Gore's reign.
And we spoke in Congress with a handful of some of the most brilliant physicists in this country to a panel that was only 50% present.
Harry Hamlin, the actor from LA Law, was there, and he personally was trying to get Gore to sit in on the hearings, Al Gore.
And Al Gore didn't even want to come to the hearings.
No one, hardly anyone showed up.
We made our speech, and we were turned down again.
But it is whether I often think if it was an accident or a coincidence, is it a psychic level that he was being attacked where physical beings intervene on the dark side, or was it a real hit job where the CIA or whoever knows it was a murder?
But it's one thing I'll tell you about cold fusion, and this is a concern for national security, and Hoagland brought the point up, but didn't finish it, and that is that cold fusion, deuterium-deuterium, is 3.67 MeV, but 33% radioactive neutrons.
And when you have a radioactive neutron source, you can use it to potentially breed plutonium from uranium.
But I don't know if the neutrons are strong enough in cold fusion, 3.67 MeV.
It would take an awfully long time, but you could probably do it.
And that would mean it would pose a security threat for terrorism.
You wouldn't want a rogue nation learning how to build one of these and having their own neutron source.
Well, again, I was working for, I ended up doing the Tesla Foundation, and then I formed my own company.
I actually got a Middle Eastern partner to fund a company called the Green and Blue Corporation, and that was 92-ish.
And we set out to close contracts for venture capital on this particular fusion technology, breakthroughs in hydrogen, breakthroughs in solar power.
And we personally met, I mean, people like David Ambrew Menhal I met, who was the head of Lloyds of London.
I met people like George Stranahan, who owned Champion Spark Plugs and just liquidated it for a half a billion.
The Resnicks who own the Franklin Mint.
The Saudi royal family, I've sat down with princes and heads of, I mean, I've literally...
They all, well, even the head of Solomon Brothers.
What ended up happening, I mean, the very head of Solomon Brothers in New York, my partner got a meeting for Dr. Magwich.
And the ones that were interested would confide in the Department of Energy and ask them for an investment decision, because this is a major decision to get involved in this.
And head of DOE Fusion Program would always say no to them.
So I ended up getting this rare telephone call that no one in the company could get for like an hour on the phone with the head of the DOE Fusion Program.
And his name was David also, but I can't remember his last name.
And I said, could you at least, if Congress will not fund this themselves, could you at least give our investors a green light?
Because if we don't fund this, and somebody else does, Louise Kessler, who wrote Capital Manifesto, said the first person who does this, meaning Helium 3 Fusion, will be the first trillion-dollar corporation in the world.
That's what kind of power we're dealing with here.
Nearly one-third of all revenue in the world is in oil, I mean, is in energy.
And another third are devices that are codependent on energy.
If you change that, you are changing the economic powers of the entire planet.
Okay, on the other side, you have all these much lower caliber physicists in Congress way down the line saying, well, helium-3 is unstable.
And yet, when you get these really high-caliberal physicists solving the problem of stability and the test on the Super Cray-2s at Kirtland Air Force Base, which were requested by the Pentagon, Major General D. Lamberson back in 1986, 87, they're all saying that it's a go.
The feasibility study says it's a go.
The super brain physicists, the Nobel laureates are saying we should do it.
It would not produce a bomb or anything like that.
It's the most benign of all nuclear fuels.
Our government fusion program, which uses tritium, which is H-bomb fuel, and deuterium, which is H-bomb fuel, produces, let's see, 18 MeV, and 70% of it, 60% to 80% of it, depending on the mixture, is pure energy-carrying neutrons, which is total radioactivity.
Clinton Ashworth, who I interviewed, this was back in, again, late 80s, was supervising mechanical engineer for Pacific Gas and Electric, said a space shuttle cargo bay full of moon dust has enough helium-3 in it to meet the entire energy demands of the United States for an entire year.
One cargo bay.
Just a little bit of moondust.
Now, remember all the programs that were done on alien mining operations on the moon and the other moonlets in the solar system?
The other source, according to the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who did a study into, you know, wait, I want to stop because I want to understand this.
Are you saying that for a given amount of moon dust or rocks or whatever material you'd gather from the moon, there would be many times more recoverable helium-3?
And incidentally, when I brought Edison, John Bryson had a bunch of his junior physicists.
And you should have seen these guys.
I mean, this guy's name was Glenn Duckett, Dr. Glenn Duckett, and he was probably in his late 20s.
And I bring him into a room with Murray Gelman and Glenn Seaborg and Magwich, and his jaw is dropping.
I mean, these guys are his mentors.
And he's supposed to come in and evaluate for Edison helium-3 fusion and how it works, and is it feasible?
And in the end, Edison said, and this was the final word from Bryson's office, we don't really need a new energy source right now.
We've got all the electric power we can use, and we're not going to do anything.
That was the final word from Edison.
And it was just ridiculous.
I mean, every single person said no.
And to see Al Gore personally knew about the hearing and the date and had no interest in showing up to even learn about it was terrifying to me.
And even Greenpeace, their head nuclear scientist, Eric Firsch, was not even interested in the conversation.
Meanwhile, NASA, Earl Van Landingham, head of propulsion, power, and energy at NASA, and James Fletcher are like begging Congress, please give us the money.
Okay, well, I can actually see how that might develop and why NASA would have a particular interest in it, certainly.
Sure.
Aside from the private sector energy sources here on Earth, they would have an unusual, peculiar interest in this, absolutely.
But you're saying they got shut down just as quickly as you did.
Because if it would be developed for NASA, there would then be an immediate private sector, you know, everything rolls from NASA downhill to industry, it seems like.
And so that's what would happen.
It would get out, so they couldn't let that happen, is what you're saying.
Well, there's another angle, and it's a completely different angle on the possible conspiracy against it, is that Magwitz told me in Russia there was an actual moratorium against all research into true non-radioactive nuclear energy.
And the very first nuclear energy producing experiment ever done was done by John Cockroft and Ernest T.S. Walden, British scientists.
They won the Nobel Prize for bombarding lithium with protons, I believe it was, and they produced a non-radioactive nuclear reaction.
That was before Einstein wrote the famous letter to President Roosevelt in 1938 urging the fission of uranium.
And then what happened after 1938 is, of course, the Manhattan Project started to mature.
A young 26-year-old physicist named Alfred O. C. Neer discovers the explosive uranium isotope.
And somehow, Glenn Seaborg and Macmillan win the Nobel Prize for discovering plutonium, when really it was probably Alfred O. C. Neer, another German scientist.
And then the Manhattan Project starts, and we all know what happened.
But that's where it all went.
There was actually, prior to the bomb, the first nuclear reactions were non-radioactive.
But why didn't we put any funding into it?
The reason, this is where I'm going to get to the answer here.
And that is that there was a fear that if utilities knew, and there was a major announcement, like when cold fusion broke, it was all over the world, if helium-3 fusion was a success, every utility company in the world would buy it For one, because it's dirt cheap, there's no radioactivity, power would be pennies per kilowatt hour, and the hydrogen fuel economy would be very economical because you have a cheap electricity and you can make cheap hydrogen.
And what ends up happening is they say, well, if you don't have a neutron source in your nuclear reactor, non-radioactive nuclear power plants, how would DOD get its weapons-grade plutonium?
Because they basically use breeder reactors to breed plutonium.
And further, we say, okay, we have enough plutonium.
We have enough nuclear warheads now.
We don't need any more plutonium.
But ta-da, there's another answer.
The neutron bomb, the hydrogen bomb, uses tritium.
And tritium, you have to breed it.
It has a half-life of 12.5 years, so it decays very rapidly.
In other words, very quickly, it becomes basically useless.
You can't really use it anymore.
So you have to keep replacing it.
Therefore, you need a neutron source to keep breeding more tritium.
And that means you need radioactive power plants.
So it's a possibility, and again, I can't prove this, that DOD overruled DOE's decision on this and said we are going to continue with the moratorium against this because we need our radioactive source for building nuclear weapons fuel.
Or why not both, the oil companies and this theory?
I mean, there's really no logical answer.
There you are in Congress with handfuls of Nobel laureates, handfuls of them, and Maxwell Prize-winning physicists like Norman Rostocker, and the Maxwell Prize is higher than the Nobel Prize in Physics.
He goes on to bomb detection, which he hired me in 1995, 96 to do bomb detection and went on to solve the riddle for better airport security and better bomb detection.
And he won't even do fusion anymore.
He's so tired of the conspiracy to silence him and to stop the movement.
There was CNN on a couple of weeks ago, including the BBC, followed up on this and confirmed the same report that Royal Dutch Shell and all the other oil companies have underestimated the global oil reserves.
And with China and all of the new, the extra consumption of oil on a global level, we are basically finished cheap oil in 2026.
And then we have to rely on extracting it from tar sands and all these other much more expensive ways to get oil.
And then it's like, okay, goodnight, you're on your own.
We don't have a follow-up.
Neither do we have an answer.
And I was just shaking my head going, you know, I spent my life devoted to a physicist and other physicists who have solutions for the crisis at hand.
And there's no funding.
In fact, I'm doing a documentary film right now on this project in New Mexico called Angel's Nest.
And we're looking at all of the sustainable housing development models that are using solar power, wind, and hydrogen, and how to get your home off the grid in contrast to existing ways that we produce electricity, such as nuclear.
And I've interviewed people at nuclear power plants like at Palo Verde.
The End Be inside the sound, smell, touch, the something inside that we need so much.
The sight of the touch or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak roots deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up from tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memories all, and they use them to help us to fight.
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We're about to get updates on the Mexican UFO case, the Venice UFO case, and then UFOs in general, because I think David has a feeling that the big one's about to happen.
What do I mean by that?
Perhaps that UFOs are actually getting ready to reveal themselves.
Okay, well, actually, for the one in Mexico, and this is a bit of a twist, but let's go back to the night of March 12, 2001, when I was on your show with James Oberg.
And the moment Oberg and I were arguing about whether the cameras on the shuttle, the black and white cameras, could see the invisible ultraviolet and infrared, Oberg said it couldn't.
And I had absolutely confirmed this with the head of astrochemistry at NASA, Joseph Newt, that the cameras could see near ultraviolet and infrared.
And that was the moment, right down to the second, that the internet and the satellite turned off and we were booted off the air.
Now, before we go to Mexico again, let's go to, okay, Dan Aykroyd was producing a show called Out There in 2000 on the Sci-Fi channel.
He told me, this was days before I was to be flown to New York for my show, he was interviewing Stephen Greer.
And lo and behold, during the taping, they were taping as if live, James Oberg calls in, good old James Oberg at NASA.
And Oberg calls in and was really upset, Dan said.
I mean, I just interviewed Aykroyd for an hour and 20 minutes for my next film, Evidence 2.
So then what happens is Aykroyd tells me in the interview the other day, I was interviewing him on the set, and he said within 24 hours, he was standing outside during one of the breaks.
And Over, he said, was very disturbed by Stephen Greer, but the fact that he had so many credible Air Force pilots and astronauts like Cooper testifying to having seen UFOs.
Ayroy said he was on his cell phone.
This is kind of funny.
He was talking to Brittany Spears.
And he turned and looked and he saw a black sedan, long sedan with men standing outside, black sunglasses, black suits, and with these earpieces in.
And he said they beckoned him with a look of total intimidation.
Dan and Peter Aykroyd are both disturbed to this day.
I think I told Dan, I think the it was an apparition for his eyes only to let him know that someone at a higher level had shut down his show because this wasn't mere entertainment.
This was Stephen Greer with Project Disclosure, and this was me with the NASA stuff.
And then, okay, now let's go to Mexico.
All of a sudden, Mexico happens.
We have, let's look at the science on this, and it's pretty easy.
Okay, in Mexico, what happens, I got a call from a friend of mine named David Sadler, who ran for Congress in Illinois, and he tipped me off to Jaime Moussan doing this huge press conference in the early part of the month of May.
And I notified Bob Tarlau, who's senior producer at Fox News.
Tarlau gets the tape and puts it on Fox National within six hours.
I mean, it was on National Fox.
That footage was everywhere.
And then all of a sudden, all the other stations followed pursuit, and I went on with George Nouri that night to talk about it.
Now, what is peculiar about the Mexico case and why it's so relevant to my work with the NASA UFOs is, once again, we have 11 UFOs confirmed on forward-looking infrared cameras that were, and three were detected on radar, the remaining eight were not, and they surrounded their aircraft, intimidating the pilots.
And so let's look at, I have a whole, a very deep investigation into the Mexico case.
I was interviewing, again, for evidence to a man named Ken Storick up in Denver who was U.S. Air Force retired.
And he said Stork used to work in drug enforcement.
He said Space Command had picked up these UFOs all the way down in, I believe it was Venezuela.
And we notified the Mexican Air Force.
Let me just clarify for people what Space Command is.
Space Command has also satellite cameras that observe the Earth 24 hours a day in the visible wavelengths from the color red to violet.
They also look in ultraviolet, near and far, and they look in infrared.
We didn't know whether they were visible or not, but we got a signal.
We notified their Air Force.
So that means they flew all the way from South America through Central America into Mexico.
They launch their drug enforcement jets that have U.S. forward-looking infrared cameras, which really I have to clarify here, because forward-looking infrared are not ordinary infrared cameras.
They incorporate two wavelengths of infrared, low-frequency and high-frequency infrared.
They fuse them together so you get a two-dimensional infrared image with tremendous resolution.
I researched through DOD, and we have new infrared cameras, forward-looking infrared cameras, that are so far beyond the ones we sold in Mexico, it would, I mean, really just make people's eyes pop wide open.
Trevor Constable is a retired British naval officer from World War II whom started to notice invisible objects showing up on radar during World War II.
And one case he cites in his book is called the Nansei Shoto case, where off the coast of Okinawa, Japan, our aircraft carriers saw on radar what we thought were 300 enemy aircraft doing 700 miles an hour.
It was either 300 enemy aircraft or one whopping object.
He goes out in 1958 where a man named George Van Tassel is allegedly psychically channeling extraterrestrials.
And I know that sounds kind of hokey, but he took pictures all around Van Tassel, and he had a large audience, and UFOs, translucent, large disks of light oriented at steep angles away from the camera with black holes in the center, identical to the UFOs in the STS-75 mission, show up on his film.
And that's why he got a hold of me.
I mean, through my friend Luke Gatto, Luke Gatto introduced me to Constable and said, you have to read his book.
And I'm like, oh, it's so old, I don't want to read it.
And I finally read it, and Trevor Constable sees my video and says, we have to get together.
When I saw his Photos, I was just like, oh my god, I've got NASA and checkmate.
I mean, these are the argument at NASA on the STS-75 was we're looking at out-of-focus airy discs, which when a near-field piece of dust floats close to the camera, it produces this blob of out-of-focus light around it.
Well, an airy disc cannot turn on a steep angle away from the camera like you'll see in Constable's photos, but they still have the black holes in the center, just like the ones that I cited in SDS-75 and the other missions.
So it looks like we have double confirmation of the same phenomena.
And some of the objects that showed up on Constable's photography, he believes, are biological organisms.
Didn't somebody in the Mexican situation actually come out and almost make an official statement, or did make an official statement, suggesting that this was absolute proof of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth?
I mean, to me, what they're doing, to explain Mexico properly, I believe, and I have to make this simple for the audience, that because Einstein's law prohibits mass or spacecraft from attaining the speed of light, because as you go faster, inertia pushes on you and you get heavier, and the heavier you get, the more energy it takes to go a little bit faster.
In subatomic particle accelerators, where we test acceleration on protons and muons, you know, the components of atoms, we have got protons at Fermilab in Chicago up to 99.99% of the speed of light.
So how much energy does it take to get a mass that fast?
Well, it takes a trillion electron volts of energy.
A nuclear bomb releases 200 million using plutonium, 200 million electron volts.
So a trillion is 5,000 times more energy than the bomb.
Now, when I asked, at the end of the long conversation with Earl Van Lanningham at NASA about fusion, I popped a big question on him and I said, have you guys made contact with extraterrestrials?
He said, no.
When you consider Einstein's law, the amount of energy it would take to get a spacecraft to be doing 99% of the speed of light, he said the energy signal radiating from that craft would be so massive, it would be one trillion electron volts, would be so massive that every amateur radio astronomer in the world would see the signal moving towards Earth well in advance of the arrival of the spacecraft.
And he said, we have never seen anything like that yet.
Now, he's right because you could never cover this up.
Every amateur astronomer, it would be like the movie Contact.
You would see a whopping, you know, a terabyte signal, a trillion bytes beyond the Jansky signal, the gigawatt signal they're seeing in the movie.
And so that would mean that NASA could not detect a signal.
See, either, this is the fundamental point of why mainstream physicists do not take the UFO phenomenon seriously, because they don't see the energy signal tagged on to the incoming objects.
They see no energy signal.
But if you have a zero energy signal and your craft is pure waveform energy, and I demonstrate this in my work very clearly, we'll get into the Venice UFO in a minute, too.
And if their craft are pure ultraviolet wavelengths, ultraviolet wavelengths are very, they're higher in temperature than visible light.
Now imagine minus 26 degrees at 26,000 feet, and this high-temperature signal imprints that humidity.
Actually, according to Jami Mussan's report, it was quite humid.
That humidity in the atmosphere gets hot.
And an infrared camera sees it like an infrared beacon.
So you get an image print, like a fingerprint, against the atmosphere in the infrared, but the real UFO is way up higher.
It's up in the X-ray, gamma-ray, ultraviolet.
It's way up there.
That's what I believe happened.
And that, when we look at the radar report, now radar is microwaves.
We bounce microwaves out.
We saw three of the Mexican UFOs on radar.
The remaining eight were not.
Now that is perfect, showing you how they have...
And some of the others are in very low mass states but still invisible and some of the photons or the radar photons bounce off of them and you get a signal.
So they're basically telling you, I mean if you read the signs you can see exactly what they're doing.
You have to become ultimately so frustrated with the idea of increasing energy on mass propulsion to come to the conclusion that they're doing it a different way.
And the different way is they're not, I don't believe they're doing what Bob Lazar says.
Bob Lazar's theory says is they are building their own gravity generators using element 115, which element 115, plutonium is like 97.
So 115 has more physical energy than plutonium.
So he's increasing energy on mass.
And in fact, if you increase an object or spacecraft's gravity, you have to increase its mass because that's how you increase gravity.
Whatever you want to call it, we're getting an awful lot of it all at once.
And so I guess you've got to wonder, and you're entitled to wonder, whether this means we're headed towards some sort of, I don't know, final conclusion, some climax to all of this.
Could it be coming?
will last As a man who has been researching this for many years now, David, I do want to ask you this.
I mean, we are in whatever you want to call it right now.
You know, the times are hot.
I mean, I get calls from Whitley, from everybody else who watches the number of events going on and the magnitude of the events going on.
Everybody's saying it.
You know, we're having a major ongoing event right now.
Do you think all this is headed towards some sort of resolution, climax, understanding, whatever, of what it is that's been happening to us all these years?
You have the Venice UFOs, which I'm personally involved with, which were just May 2nd.
And another one on the 26th in Venice.
There were two sightings by Patrick Uskert, who has queer video footage of a metallic disk, and you can see the same wave distortion, the pulsating waves that you see in the NASA UFOs, which I think is the secret to their propulsion systems.
And you have the ones up in Sonora, which I'm about to personally go up and investigate.
Why would you believe that they would benignly land and hand over to us a technology we may not be ready to proceed with for any number of reasons or handle or who knows what all?
But in fact, why would you even believe they're benign?
But on the other hand, if they do have an energy technology far beyond ours, and I believe we're close at understanding how their craft works, we're very close.
And I believe John Hutchison, who is a friend of mine also, is very close also to understanding and true anti-gravity.
In fact, Hutchison has been able to get steel disappear.
Why, David, I know I'm going to be asking questions here that you probably have no answer to, but I really have to ask, since you've looked at this so hard and for so long.
For so long, yeah.
Why would they be present and perhaps have been present in the world since 1947 and maybe long before that, for all we know?
Do you think it started, by the way, with Roswell?
Well, when we see these ancient Middle Eastern paintings, or sorry, Middle Age paintings with the UFOs in the background, this has got to be going on and we think of the wheels of Ezekiel and the visions of Enoch.
This has got to be going on for a long time.
But I think we are coming to a head.
There are so many UFOs right now.
In fact, there's more video evidence in the last couple of months than I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, Turkey, Iran, you have Oregon, you have Sonora, California, you have the Venice UFOs, you have Mexico.
Yep, I get the picture, and I understand what you're saying, but I want to kind of try to grasp a little bit of the best understanding I can of what they might be about.
And if they've been visiting us, maybe a bad word, observing us, or whatever it is they've been doing.
I mean, we've got abductions, we've got crop circles that we might attribute to them.
We've got a lot of things going on that I have looked at very carefully, and I don't necessarily, from our perspective, consider them to be friendly.
So if we're headed toward a meet of some kind, I guess I would ask, what do you think they've been doing all this time?
I would like to think that going into the ancient Sumerian stuff and going into the wheels of Ezekiel, that we have a species out there.
Yes, there might be some that would like to take over our planet, but I would like to think that there are angels, I mean, this may be a fantasy, it may be, hopefully it happens, that will intervene and save us on their behalf because they are our ancient creators.
I believe that if we create it in a lab experiment, say we will get to the point where we can do interstellar travel, if we can attain the speed of light in the next 100 years or 200 years, we will have the ability to seed life and seed civilizations on other planets.
They started this civilization millennia ago, and they're just checking in from time to time to see how are the humans coming along, you know, like they started us out.
And you can't just run over it that quickly if they are our creators.
And I'd like to understand how you came to believe that.
Aside from the fact that there is, as you point out, there are cave drawings that would indicate perhaps people who wore spacesuits or the equivalent were here.
I mean, there's all kinds of intriguing stuff inscribed everywhere, including on stones.
Well, I can't say that the particular ones who are visiting us right now, I've had a number of my own mystical experiences, but that's another subject.
For myself, I'm convinced that there are certain extraterrestrials here who have the greatest intentions for us.
Ackroyd proposes the most logical way to do this, and that is to have a proper landing and form and exchange of information rather than just coming in, slamming in, and abducting people without permission.
Well, while we're on that subject, the premise proffered in Taken, that series on TV, and not just born there, but really taken from ufology, is that there is a tampering with our genetic structure going on.
Perhaps for their benefit, or if you are the half-full glass of water kind of guy, then for our benefit.
Well, I think that, here's, I mean, in a nutshell, what I really believe on a deeper level is that we, when, going back to the parable of the fall into the Garden of Eden, we partook of a knowledge called good and evil.
And good and evil, to me, is a conflict.
It's a duality.
It's conflict by its nature.
If you ingest good and evil, you ingest conflict.
And if a billion souls take in the knowledge of good and evil, when you have a conflict in your life, the first thing we usually do is we try to solve it.
And by defining good and evil egotistically, individually, we all came up with different versions of what is good and what is evil.
What my religion Is right and yours is wrong.
My philosophy or political system is right and yours is wrong.
And because, by the nature of good and evil, it is a conflict initially, it is a lower vibration than what we call unity or oneness.
So, in oneness, there is no duality.
There is no conflict.
But when you take in the knowledge of conflict, you go into a state that is lower than oneness, so you fall into a dual state of mind.
And all the great mystics have said that when we attain enlightenment, we're going beyond duality.
We're actually going beyond the internal state of conflict.
I believe that internal conflict caused us to, our DNA to become electrically separate.
It's imagine this oneness field of light, and then all of a sudden there's this swirling polarity of positive and negative, and that swirling energy builds a force field or egg, a barrier around the soul, shielding it out of the oneness or the connectedness to the universe.
And in that separate state, it malfunctions.
It lives in a state of conflict.
It interprets good and evil differently than all of its neighbors, so they're always disagreeing and fighting.
And I think that will eventually, if you know how a cell entropies and dies, the way cell structures reach entropy and die is they are cut off.
They no longer receive inflows of energy.
And when a system no longer is open, it eventually runs out of energy and collapses in on itself.
It fails.
It dies.
So our DNA, if it's coded the same way as that same duality that we all face, it will eventually malfunction.
It will fall apart until it reunites itself with a higher, more unified field of energy.
CNN was running this story that people are beginning to take the Bible and print it word for word in magazine format so that people will read it.
So few people are willing to open the Bible and read it that they're actually going to print it now in magazine form for modern people.
We can barely get people to worship as it is these days, a great, great, great many of them.
And here's David Serrita talking about aliens landing, revealing themselves to be our creators, in which case, indeed, you would have a new religion that would well bring you to your knees.
I wonder if you ever thought of that, David, that if they were to actually reveal themselves and then reveal themselves to be our creators, we would have one wail of a new religion that would bring you right to your knees.
Well, there is the case of Zaitun in Egypt in the late 60s, and it also started in the year 2000.
BBC and ABC News reported this.
There were orbs of light in the sky over Egypt that looked like UFOs photographed in 1968, accompanied by apparitions of the Virgin Mary that were full-blown visible apparitions.
That's at Z-E-I-T-U-N-E-G.org on the internet.
And those photographs were, you know, that made the back pages of the New York Times in the late 60s.
Two million people, according to the BBC, flooded the town of Assiat in the year 2000.
And again, these orbs of light are in the sky, and this incredible, translucent, luminous body of light of the Virgin Mary appears.
And there are documented healings, and Muslims and Christians are all praying together to her.
And it was all over the news in England.
I mean, I remember it, and I actually wanted to go out there with my video camera and try to film it, but I never could get there.
And they went on for quite a while.
And again, that is UFO phenomena associated with a full-blown apparition of a mystical figure.
And that would not be a new religion.
That would be kind of a revelation on our existing religion, because a lot of Catholics and Protestants and born-agains don't believe that angels have to travel in light ships or UFOs.
I mean, if what Zechariah Sitian says from the Enumia Leash, which predates the book of Genesis, the seven tablets of creation describe demigods and goddesses who collectively created us physically in vitro in test tubes, and they manipulated DNA.
They mixed the DNA of themselves with the evolving Neanderthal species on Earth and co-created the first Adama and the Eve.
I would ask him, I'd ask you that have you seen the craft do anything or is it dismantled?
Does it activate in any kind of a state?
Has it, anyone done studies into its energy and propulsion system?
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As far as I can tell from the propulsion systems, I'm no expert, but from the scientists that I've seen studying it, if you will, they tell me that the propulsion system is dead, that apparently when it crashed, it was on its last legs, if you will.
And it was more or less, I guess when it entered our atmosphere, it was more or less on its last legs.
From what I've heard, they said that it was basically a tritium And hydrogen combination that powered it.
I've no scientists, but that's what I overheard them say.
How many people do you think have knowledge, guards and scientists and others that you've seen, have knowledge of the existence of this craft, where it is?
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I would say, like I said, I've been on this project for quite a while, and I would say that on any given day, I'll probably see two or three hundred people.
And I would say that there's probably at least a few thousand that know of its existence that I have seen personally.
Email a way that you would feel safe in communicating.
Just do that much.
Go to a library.
Go to a library to a computer where, you know, a public library or something like that, and fire me an email with a suggestion on how we can exchange information.
How about that, all right?
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That'll work.
All right.
I actually have three videotapes that I have made.
And let me tell you about Roswell, because this is a view, you know, once you understand the concept of a craft turning into pure, you know, ultraviolet wavelength energy or higher.
July 5th, 1945, or it was between the 5th and the 17th.
The dates fluctuate.
We detonated the first atomic bomb near White Sands, New Mexico.
Now, July 7th, 1947, two years later, same dates of the year, on either side of the nuclear test site in New Mexico, you have the plains of San Agustin crash and you have the crash at Roswell.
Now, just imagine, visualize this for a moment, audience, that you have craft, just like in the case of Mexico, you have interdimensional craft that are vibrating at very high frequency wavelengths.
Now, a nuclear bomb releases 200 million electron volts of energy with a lot of gamma radiation.
Now, if you're a pure wavelength craft, that gamma burst, tremendous gamma burst, is going to upset you.
In other words, if you're not physical anymore, you're a pure wavelength, what you're vulnerable to is something similar to your frequency bursting at you.
Well, there's that, David, and then there's also just the fact that such an explosion would be apparent to anybody who had been observing us at all in any way.
That explosion would have been a major bell ringing, indicating a certain major advance event had occurred on Earth.
I believe Robert Lazarus going back to Element 115 and the experiments done at Berkeley, which are very recent, just in the last couple of years, they have finally produced Element 115.
And the formula, the way they did it, I read it, it's almost identical to Lazar's theory.
In fact, how could he have been so accurate with a formula that is decades old at this point?
And decades later, they duplicate and produce Element 115 with almost the exact formula that he gave out.
And obviously, we've both seen that big triangle black craft.
And before that, I had a camera in the crop signal, and I took a picture, and I didn't realize later.
And I looked at the picture later, it was completely black, and I see a little alien face, and it looks like a hologram in the size of, you know, definitely an alien face.
I showed it to everybody, and they go, whoa, that's an alien face.
I think reading the wave formations in the crop circles, if you look at the spiraling wave and weave of the grass, and you look at the spiraling waves strobing out of the NASA UFO photos, you'll see a resemblance, a remarkable resemblance in the wave patterns in these craft propulsion systems.
Well, the astronauts themselves, like even Edgar Mitchell, really he couldn't conceive of the idea of a zero-mass spacecraft.
He says if there's no mass, there's nothing there.
And I look for zero-mass signals.
He, like many classical physicists, don't accept the UFO phenomena because they're looking for that huge energy signal tagged onto a massive spacecraft and they don't see it.
Cooper, Gordon Cooper, I read his book, Leap of Faith, him and I, he was on a Fox TV special on the Fox News in L.A. that ran after the X-Files grand finale with me.
Not by the astronauts, but John Schusler, who was an engineer on Gemini and also retired at NASA in 1998, the last thing he did is built the advanced propulsion lab for NASA.
He is now the head of MUFON.
I'm speaking at Roswell, incidentally, and MUFON this summer, this month, in July 3rd in Roswell and July 16th at MUFON, Denver.
And Schussler is now the head of MUFON.
So I asked him, what are you doing in the UFO movement?
And Schussler will tell you on and on that many encounters that astronauts had with UFOs.
In fact, he keeps reports on the sightings by the astronauts.
And when he answered me, he said the reason he's in the UFO movement is he wants to understand their technology.
He believes rocket science and rocket propulsion is ancient stuff that we need to get on to.
In fact, he's very fond of my theory of converting mass into light or changing the wave state of mass and allowing it to resemble the quality of a photon and tame the speed of light on tiny amounts of energy.
Well, that's, again, everything has a different spin speed.
Everything is in a wave-particle relationship in our universe.
The brain is a wave-particle machine.
The planet is a particle that is spinning around a wave around the solar system.
The solar system is a collection of wave particles that spins around the galactic core every 250 million years.
Everything is spinning, which is particles and waves.
And those particle-related relationships have frequency, meaning how frequently they make a revolution.
So when you study the wave-particle relationship of matter and you study the wave-particle relationship of light, you start to get your answer on how you go from mass into light state.
Yeah, I tell you, it's got to be, it has to have been seen by some astronomer, somebody, because when I seen it, it had probably a good minute before it got out of my vision, and actually there's a hill that goes over the coast there.
And I thought, oh, my God, it went over there to this, like, the campaign.
I currently am a government employee, and I'm not going to say what branch I'm in or my name for my own career purposes.
But I can promise you, Art, that several years ago in the early 90s when I first started working for the government, I actually was one of those people who answered the phone at a local base.
And when we received UFO calls, we were told to act like we were actually taking the information and ignore it and move on.
Well, it's interesting because Patrick Gustard and I with the Venice UFO, we called the FAA, and in fact, we've taped this in the documentary.
And the FAA took us really seriously.
In fact, a week later, I called them, and they still remembered.
And I sent them a copy of the DVD of the full editing job and zooming in close on the Venice UFO.
And they're looking at it right now.
So I don't know if they're brushing it off, but they did a radar search and found nothing from Santa Monica Airport or LAX to confirm the location and time of the UFO.
So that would mean it's either invisible to radar, which is not surprising, or they just don't want to tell us that they had an incident on radar.
Well, the second part of what he said was also pretty fascinating.
A logical mind, considering the possibility of time travel, even the amount of energy we know is required to achieve time travel, still has to imagine that if we don't blow ourselves up, someday we will find that power and we will achieve time travel.
If that would be true, then it would be reasonable to have an expectation of time travelers.
The current approach with wormholes, I mean, look at Kip Thorne's book, you know, Black Holes and Time Warps.
The energy required to create a wormhole to fold two points in space-time to go basically oviate the speed of light and yet they're shorter requires the energy, what's called the negative energy of every sun in our galaxy, the energy they put out for a whole year.
So that's 100 million suns, all of their negative solar energy for a whole year to make one wormhole with a narrow snout enough to fit a dime through.
The wider that snout gets, the more energy required.
These are ridiculous numbers.
And they're unattainable.
I mean, no one can produce energy levels that high.
But if you're zero mass, once again, you can do zero mass wormholes on tiny amounts of energy.
And therefore, once you figure out how to do zero mass time wormholes, yeah, you could move through time.
I believe time also is a wave-particle relationship.
I mean, if you really look at time, the particle planet spinning around the sun once per year, that's a particle-wave relationship.
So if you look at time in a wave-particle model, which I have done in my galactic clock, which is a clock I invented for measuring all wave-particle relationships in all four dimensions, I believe I can prove that every event has already happened in actuality.
It's only time that inhibits us from moving forwards and backwards through those events.
But they've all actually happened.
In fact, Richard Feynman, the great physicist, did this experiment with an electron where he proved the same thing.
He calls it the sum over histories.
For the electron, all events have happened already.
But some of what we observe with UFOs almost seems paranormal because you've said it yourself of the apparent disappearances and that sort of thing.
Well, if there were time travelers and if they were here observing or interacting in whatever way might be possible, given the rules of time travel, whatever they turn out to be, well, they might be time travelers.
Oh, see, again, I believe it's absolutely possible because what I'm saying is if every event has already happened, and instead of moving at the speed of light or faster to manipulate time, I believe you move on the time wave itself.
It has its own wave.
And therefore, yeah, you can move forward and backwards in time.
Apparently, there was a guy you had on your show who was a time travel expert, and he just vanished after he did your show.
I mean, I even got a call from an individual who works in Space Command, and they said they see these things coming in on visible satellites all the time, on infrared and UV.
And he said almost everyone who works in Space Command sees these things on a fairly regular basis.
So, yeah, I mean, even physically, I mean, they could, again, you know, once you can, and Christ did this in the resurrection, he took flesh and turned it into light.
And once you're light, you can disappear in different dimensions of light, or you can become a visible body of light at will.
So they could be here amongst us and remain cloaked in this invisible dimension.
And if we start looking with these incredible infrared cameras and UV cameras, we will start to see them.
Well, people can, you know, tomorrow morning you can either order through ufonasa.com or go 1-877-UFONASA, toll-free from within the United States.
But the other thing is Evidence 2 is coming out September, October, which is a packed film.
It's got a bonus DVD with an hour and 20 minutes unplugged with Dan Aykroyd, which is an incredible, mind-blowing interview.
And also the Venice UFO film I'm going to put out in the next couple of months with Patrick Uskert and all of the California sightings up in Sonora will be in a full documentary as well.