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March 7, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Michael Horn - The Billy Meier UFO Contacts

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	From the high desert in the great American southwest.
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the
	world's very prolific time zones.
	Covering them all, we do this is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
	This would be the weekend version.
	Somebody sent me a quote earlier in the day that I love.
	Here it is.
	Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but is rather an opportunity to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, Wow!
	What a ride!
	I like that foot.
	How y'all doing?
	We're going to examine I think the biggest case in ufology tonight, that would be the Billy Meyer case in a few moments.
	And we're going to do that with the authorized American media representative for Billy Meyer.
	In case you're not familiar with the Billy Meyer situation, or you are, well either way, you're going to be certainly interested, I believe, in this program.
	One little note before we begin, and I've got a link on the website for this, because I thought it was so completely incredible.
	It's breaking news, really.
	Entitled, Antarctica Lost World Found.
	Antarctica.
	Two teams of researchers, and by the way, so you know this came, it's on the CNN page, two teams of researchers working separately, thousands of miles from each other, but both defeating incredible odds.
	have really made some incredible finds in frozen Antarctica.
	So stunning that the National Science Foundation calls their discoveries evidence of a lost world.
	The researchers found what they believe to be the fossilized remains of two species of dinosaurs previously unknown to science.
	One, a 70 million year old quick-moving meat eater Found on the bottom of an Antarctic sea, while the other is a 200 million year old plant eater that was found on top of a mountain in the Antarctic.
	Now this is pretty strange stuff, I'll tell you.
	Pretty strange stuff in Antarctica of all places.
	The lost world in which these two dinosaurs lived was very different from the Antarctica we know now.
	Their Antarctica was not frigid and frozen.
	Their Antarctica was warm and wet.
	And if you would like to perhaps take a little ride up to the Coast to Coast AM.com website you can read the entire article, but I thought that was worthy of your attention.
	In the meantime, After 25 years of research, Michael Horn is now officially the Authorized American Media Representative for the Billy Meyer Contacts.
	Michael's background is quite eclectic.
	He is a trend-setting designer, award-winning painter and songwriter, one of the first inventors of online digital book publishing, the creator of the medically endorsed Sit and Get Fit regenerative movement program and videos, and Music and video producer's new DVD on the Meyer Contacts is available from, and we'll get to that, so hang in there.
	At any rate, in a moment, we will discuss in detail the incredible case in Switzerland of Billy Meyer.
	stay right there of all the
	ufo cases in the world in the history of the world really i think uh... perhaps the billing marquis is the most
	famous uh... maybe one of the most contested uh... one of the most
	controversial you have no question about it in the world uh...
	Michael Horne, welcome to the program.
	Thank you Art, a pleasure to be here.
	Hey Michael, with a background like yours, which is kind of in, you know, it's in the media for sure, but I mean songwriter, book publishing, regenerative sit and get fit movements, that kind of thing, how do you get from there to Billy Meyer?
	I think I got from Billy Meyer to some of those places.
	Well, what happened was in 1979 I had been living in LA for about nine years.
	At that point I went into a bookstore called the Bodhi Tree and I saw the first Coffee table size picture book, if you will.
	It also had text, but mainly the beautiful pictures of UFOs.
	And ever since I was a kid, I had dreams of lights in the sky and fascination with spaceships and that type of thing, like probably many other people.
	So when I saw the book, it resonated and looked like it was real.
	Of course, I don't base my current position on how I felt simply looking at the pictures, but they were the most astounding photographs I'd ever seen of so-called UFOs.
	Yeah, the Billy Meyer photographs, for those who have not seen them, are the most detailed, close-up, in many cases, totally clear, not blurry shots of UFOs, alleged UFOs, I guess I ought to say, in the world.
	As simple as that.
	They're very, very clear photographs.
	So, now, let's go back, and if you would, just for me, for everybody, Michael, tell us The story of Billy Meier.
	Who is Billy Meier?
	How did all this happen?
	When?
	The usual where, when?
	Sure, I'll try and give you the kind of condensed overview.
	Billy Meier is a Swiss man who claims that his voluntary and face-to-face contacts with extraterrestrial humans started when he was five years old.
	He and his father had allegedly seen a silver type object fly overhead.
	This was in about 1942 or so.
	He asked his father what it was.
	His dad said, I don't know, but I think it may be a weapon that Hitler's developing, etc., etc.
	They were farmers, weren't they?
	Well, they were always living in a very rural area, a small village, and to this day Meyer lives in a very small rural environment in what's called the Schmittruti, or inter-Schmittruti in Switzerland, outside of Zurich, by perhaps 40 miles or more.
	He then one day, having all of this great rural environment in which to grow up, he spent a lot of time in fields and forests.
	One day he was outside in the forest and he said it was like a calling, like somebody calling to him.
	He heard it inside of his head and so he followed it.
	There was a pear-shaped craft with an elderly-looking man in what he said looked like a deep-sea diver's suit standing there.
	As he tells it, he said he felt no fear.
	He felt that this was a kind person.
	He felt safe and he walked up to the man and that began these contacts where he was taken on board this craft with this man.
	You say this man?
	His name was Spath.
	That may not help matters, but he was called Spath.
	I believe it was spelled S-F-A-T-H.
	That's how it's kind of written and pronounced.
	All right, but a man?
	Yeah, not a little gray guy, a fully human-looking human being.
	It would pass for an elderly-looking European man.
	So all of the people that Meyer has his major contacts with are human beings.
	All right, I need to ask for the sake of the audience and myself, how you know this?
	In other words, did you interview Billy Meyer?
	I've spoken with Billy any number of times, but I think you've just brought up a really good point that I want to put out in the beginning here.
	There are two categories of information.
	One of them is speculative, meaning I can tell you the story as I know it, and the other part is I can tell you the facts as I've been able to determine them, and even so, you should, meaning anybody listening who would want to, take a good Look at the material that's available and find out for yourself if it rings true.
	Do the same thing I did.
	Do the research.
	We can talk more about how I did that, but that's a good caveat.
	Well, I would appreciate it if as we go along you would delineate between speculation and what you know to be fact.
	Absolutely.
	So what I'm going to tell you now is the story as it is written in the Meyer material of Billy's contacts and how they progressed.
	This is not my experience.
	It's available.
	Anybody could read it and tell you the same story up to a certain point here.
	So, Billy was allegedly then having these contacts with this human being, and they lasted for a couple of years.
	Meyer didn't tell his own family.
	He didn't feel that he could really confide this, but he did tell a parish priest, a Father Zimmerman, who assured him, for some reason, this man felt like it was perfectly good that this was happening to Billy and he should not You wouldn't think a priest would give advice of that sort of thing.
	You would not at all.
	And that's why, you know, it is noted in the material that this was very unusual.
	either been a contactee in person or telepathically, that's the sense of this part of the story.
	You wouldn't think a priest would give advice of that sort of thing.
	He would not at all, and that's why, you know, it is noted in the material
	that this was very unusual, and, you know, Billy took comfort in that as a boy
	because he did have then a, you know, kind of neighborly confidant to explain this to
	and to get encouragement from.
	And apparently what we are told is that this man's father not only told Billy and taught him things
	in an oral tradition, but he put devices on his head that Billy said looked like different things
	that had wires he didn't understand, but they were apparently working on his brain
	and his thinking and inputting information into him.
	Again, this is the speculative part.
	When he's about seven years old, he has the thinking capacity of a 35-year-old man.
	These experiences didn't make him more adaptable and more comfortable in his own environment, in schools and what have you.
	As a matter of fact, from what the material is, I recall, and I haven't read this part for some time, but it caused him to be troubled and to be a bit of a misfit.
	I think he even ended up in some kind of juvenile school.
	He's had an enormously Yes, there's been a lot of that and we will discuss that.
	and he's kind of done it all french foreign legion you know i mean
	but it did not have it's been a bit of roses it's all been extremely challenging
	conflict brought on by these experiences and the
	you know of course the duration and the fault of character and his person
	that has occurred ever since he went public with the story yes
	there's been a lot of that and we will discuss that but uh... at this stage did
	billy say what they were inculcating in him what they were telling him what kind of
	information he What does he know about that?
	Well, what I recall, and I'm not sure that I'm going to recall it all accurately, he did say that they were telling him things that had to do with future times, with vast amounts of information pertaining to different subjects, and things that he would be able to access and have some conscious control over and recall Later on, at more appropriate times in his life, this was kind of the equivalent of downloading stuff into a computer for when you're ready to use it.
	But he said that there would be things that would come to him when he needed to know them and also that they would help him become aware of and adjust to things.
	They said to him, even at an early age, that this was something that he had agreed to do on a certain level.
	Prior to his coming into this life, and he knows that at these points, initially, these things didn't make much sense to him, but he was not threatened by these people.
	He felt very comfortable with them to the degree that they felt familiar.
	Who are these people?
	Well, what we're told are that they are people who we now are told are called Pleiaran.
	P-L-E-J-A-R-E-N.
	Not Pleiadians.
	For the longest time, that's how we had come to know of these so-called extraterrestrials.
	When did you get that clarification?
	I believe Billy was in 1995 at the point that they were about to officially depart and close up their bases that they had on the planet.
	They told him that he could now reveal this discrepancy and why it was put in place.
	Okay, let's hear the real name again, please.
	So the J is a Y or an I kind of a sound.
	The Pleiades would be also spelled with a J. And what they said was, yes, we come from a system in the direction of the Pleiades in an altered time-space configuration because the stars that you see in the sky of the Pleiades cannot support life.
	These are young blue suns, etc.
	And anybody that claims on any level that they're in touch with so-called Pleiadians is hoaxing.
	What they claim that they did here was this.
	They claim that they put this in motion, using this term Pleiadians, so that for those who would come after Billy, supposedly, and claim to be having contacts with Pleiadians and channeling Pleiadians and all the rest of this stuff, that they would be self-identifying as hoaxers, because there are no Pleiadians.
	So this is, you know, another one of those Little bumps in the road for those that want to take issue with it, or think it's all a bit of a confusing hodgepodge.
	But certainly, we weren't hearing too much about Pleiadians before 1975, when Billy first started to... Well, that's right.
	That's where it came from.
	Indeed it is.
	So, these are the things, again, that are speculative and debatable, and I don't rest anything on them.
	There's a lot in the case that I couldn't prove at this point, you know, to save my life.
	I don't know.
	There's things in here that I disagreed with.
	There's things in here that I'm confounded by.
	I don't know.
	It's neither been proved nor disproved at this point, so I say it's speculation.
	Why have you been named the official authorized American media representative for Billy?
	What's up with that?
	Well, probably one of the reasons is I stepped up to the plate because I want to do this work.
	I had originally, in 1979, I got the book and I was like everybody else that had That book, fascinated by the photos.
	In 1986, I was sitting in a little cafe in Sedona, Arizona, with my daughter and a friend.
	I think it's called the Sunflower Cafe, or it was.
	We were waiting for our alfalfa sandwiches with sprouts, like everybody was in the New Age.
	And there was one other guy in the place, and he's sitting back there.
	So we started to chat with him, and he was a retired IRS agent.
	And of course, the talk went in the direction of UFOs and all.
	Billy Meyer case came up and he said, well, have you read the contact reports?
	And I said, what's that?
	And he said, well, that's all those conversations, you know, in the picture book.
	I said, yeah.
	He said, you know, those quotes in the side panels from these extraterrestrials?
	I said, yeah.
	He said, well, there's 2000 pages of that.
	So I said, well, where do I get it?
	He said, well, when you come back to LA, come on up, you know, Decker Canyon, I think it's called.
	And I'll give it to you.
	I came back.
	I called him.
	He was true to his word.
	He gave me all this material.
	And for weeks on end, I was up reading it, fascinated.
	And it took a long time also, because it was kind of strange, you know, backwards English from Swiss German.
	And what was exciting about it was that there were all these pieces of information being conversationally conveyed.
	And what we were missing in these contact reports was this, what I call, hokey thing of, we're the space brothers and we bring you love and light.
	You know, they didn't, they never spoke that way.
	Interestingly enough, in reading of the several thousand pages I've read... Let me stop you on that.
	If they didn't speak that way, how did they speak?
	They spoke logically and precisely.
	It wasn't without warmth.
	They greeted each other with friendliness.
	For the longest time, there wasn't much of a sense of humor present in it.
	Billy exhibited his own humor, and they didn't quite get it for the longest time, quite literally.
	But they spoke directly, and what I was going to say is, the only time I ever saw in print any of these ETs use the two words, I believe, there was one occasion I can remember when the man that is supposedly a leader of their race, who's called Ptah, same name as the ancient Egyptian god, he said to Billy, I believe the person you're thinking of is named such and such.
	Other than that, they only spoke of what they knew and what they didn't know.
	Alright, let's get to the why of it.
	Why Billy Meyer, for example, instead of the head of Switzerland, or the head of the United States, or the president of Russia, or whatever, why not a world leader?
	Why a Swiss guy living a rule lifestyle?
	Why him?
	Well, there's actually a host of reasons, but let me say that in addition to Billy, There were five other people who were selected as potentially being able to do this quote-unquote mission.
	They either declined or died or were killed in car accidents or what have you.
	There were a total of six people.
	Meyer was one and probably the main candidate.
	And the reason and I'm just going to tell it again, this is going to be speculative.
	So for anybody who wants to scratch their head around this point, these people have conveyed in the material That reincarnation is a fact of life.
	I like to say there's a bumper sticker that would say, reincarnation, don't worry about dying, you'll live through it.
	So they kind of hold this philosophy, we live millions of times, we have no recall for the most part of any of these experiences, and what we do is come back time and time and time again to evolve, to learn new lessons.
	And they claim to have the ability to track that essential part that reincarnates, that they call the human spirit.
	Not the soul, but the human spirit.
	They call it the human spirit.
	The human spirit, in other words, or spirit form.
	They use that term, you know, the spirit form or the human spirit.
	That's the individually unique essence of every human living every and anywhere on earth or anywhere in this universe.
	Same thing a priest would say.
	It could be, except they might call it the soul.
	But they claim that the soul is a different thing.
	It's located in the solar plexus.
	They say this is akin to the psyche, and there may be very distinct differences in their cosmology between the soul and the spirit.
	The soul does not survive the dying process, but the spirit does.
	This is, again, according to them.
	So this isn't to pass on or create a new belief system here.
	This is information.
	It's speculative.
	But you know what?
	It would tend to create a new belief system.
	In fact, I've actually heard that at the Meyer Farm or compound or whatever it is called these days, there's almost a cult-like atmosphere surrounding Billy.
	In my three visits there so far yearly, I have not only not observed it as a cult-like following around him, I've had the pleasure and privilege of watching them fight with each other and yell and When you say fight with each other, do you mean the Mayer family or the Mayer family?
	I mean, Mayer argues with people, they argue with him.
	The people there are, how can I put it, these are European people, Swiss, rural for the most part, very down to earth people, they don't have much pretense.
	Yes, but still, there is a rather large group that follows Meyer, isn't there?
	Not really.
	There's not?
	No, no, I can... I'll tell you more.
	I mean, in terms of the actual numbers of the core group around him, and they don't all... Okay, so there is a core group around him, that's what I'm getting at.
	Meaning that there's 49 people that are affiliated as people who study the teachings and the case and are associated with each other.
	They don't all live together, anything like that.
	All right, Michael.
	Hold tight so it's not some big commune.
	You know, there's a lot of rumors that were out there about Meyer and the whole thing.
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	From coast to coast, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM, with Art Bell.
	My guest is Michael Horn, who is now the officially authorized American media representative for Billy Meyer.
	Billy Meyer, Is the Swiss man who's probably been the recipient of, it was once called, the Palladian Information, and more clear photographs, we'll ask about that, there really are clear photographs of UFOs, the clearest photographs actually ever taken.
	There are people who believe the whole case was a hoax, but I think many more who don't.
	in a moment we'll get right back to it once again michael horn for billing my actually uh...
	Michael, what is the best proof offered that Billy Meyer and the UFOs... Well, Billy Meyer's real, but the UFOs really exist.
	I mean, was there any... Of course there are the photographs.
	How many in totality?
	It's sad that Billy took upwards of 1,200 photos in about a three year period, an enormous number.
	When you think about this, this is either going to turn out to be, and people have to determine for themselves, the greatest hoax in all of human history, or hands down, It's simply the most important story.
	It's one of the two, yes.
	There's no middle ground.
	If this is real, if it's true, it's the most important story, and then we're going to find out why it's happening and what people are... and what are we supposed to do with this information.
	But I'm going to address what you've just raised, and that would be, you know, the proof.
	So let's start with the idea that there's about, I think, five categories of physical evidence.
	And the five categories would be photographs, films, A video, that we know of one video, sound recordings that were made on a cassette machine, and also a number of metal alloy samples, little squiggles of metal, that Meyer claims were given to him by the ETs.
	They were turned over to the investigative team, along with the other evidence.
	With what result?
	Well, this is the fascinating thing on the evidence, and what I should do is Back it up a little bit and say that Meyer's evidence and the process around it is unique because it was actually examined by a good number of scientific experts in a variety of fields.
	I will give you just the reference point in terms of photographs.
	There were people like Robert Post from JPL Laboratory.
	22 years at the lab.
	Michael Malin from Mars Orbiter and NASA Mars Global Surveyor, the Malin Space Science System.
	Oh, I know of him well, yes, of course.
	They were two of the people, Jim Della Tosso.
	There's a 23-page report on the actual physical examination.
	And what did Michael Malin conclude?
	Actually, I have a quote from him.
	All right, good.
	And he said, I find the photographs themselves credible.
	They're good photographs.
	They appear to represent a real phenomenon.
	The story that some farmer in Switzerland is on a first-name basis with dozens of aliens who come to visit him, I find that incredible.
	Well, so do I. But from Malin, that's quite a statement.
	He goes on, he says, but I find the photographs more credible.
	They're reasonable evidence of something.
	What that something is, I don't know.
	If the photographs are hoaxes, then I am intrigued by the quality of the hoax.
	How did he do it?
	I'm always interested in seeing a master at work.
	Let's just jump, since we're talking about people that looked at the photos, there was a man whose name was Wally Gentleman, and Wally was apparently a major player in the special effects world in films.
	He was the director of special effects on the Canadian Film Board.
	He was the director of special photographic effects for Kubrick's 2001.
	He had seen Meyer's 8mm film segments, and he said that the manpower and the costs To make these films were clearly beyond Meyer's reach.
	Here was his quote.
	He said, my greatest problem is that for anybody faking this, and he was referring to the photograph, the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct.
	Therefore, if somebody is faking it, they have an expert there.
	And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by.
	So I say, well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?
	Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, This has got to be real.
	Now, that's just... Well, that's still a hell of a statement from Malin.
	That's surprising.
	Well, no, this is Wally Gentleman.
	No, I understand.
	I'm still stuck on Malin's statement.
	Well, you know, now look, Robert Post, he said from a photography standpoint, you couldn't see anything that was fake about the Meyer photos.
	That's what struck me.
	They looked like legitimate photographs.
	I thought, God, if this is real, this is going to be really something.
	Now, he was with the JPL Photo Lab for 22 years.
	He was the head of that lab in 1979.
	He oversaw the developing and printing of every photograph that came out of JPL at the time.
	We'll get into this with skeptics and all, but when you have these... Well, I'll give you one right now.
	A skeptic, somebody from FNET, I think that's Crosshatch Art Bell up there on the net, Fargo, North Dakota, says his ex-wife has come out to denounce him as a fraud.
	The evidence is overwhelming that the whole Billy Meyer story is unquestionably, absolutely, completely, and totally 100% bogus, case closed.
	Right.
	Well, let's visit the story of the ex-wife.
	All right, let's.
	And let's go back to the original investigation when Wendell Stephens, Lee Elders and Britt Elders and Tom Welch and other people went over to Switzerland and they actually spent a total of six years investigating the case.
	They interviewed, I believe it was 15 or 16 people, including Meyer and his wife, and they put these 15 or 16 people separately through lie detector tests.
	During this process, all of the people came out as truthful.
	The questions involved, did Mr. Meier see spaceships?
	Had anybody else there seen the spaceships?
	Mrs. Meier passed the lie detector test saying she'd seen them!
	Alright, well then, what happened?
	Well, you know what?
	Here's the beauty of the Meier case.
	It conforms to one of my dearly held axioms or principles about life.
	Where ever human beings are involved, things can and will get screwed up.
	So Meyer is a human being and his wife is a human being.
	After 30 years of marriage or whatever it was, they are fighting with each other and they got divorced.
	A lot of this is in the contact reports.
	You would hear about all this stuff.
	You could read about it.
	She's had no sense of privacy left.
	The world is tracing through her living room, literally.
	Unfortunately for her, there is a recording and a video of her talking about the ships and the reality of the whole case prior to that.
	you know and i did see uh... came out afterwards after the separated divorce
	and said or it's all a fake a he he faked it
	unfortunately for her there is uh... recording in a video of her talking about
	the ships and the reality of the whole case prior to that so what we have to say here is
	i don't rest the proof of the case on it
	simply what billy meyer says or mrs the x mrs meyer says
	there are higher standards but i wanted to uh... wanted to present that to you
	the people can look at the fact i'd give you a couple photographic experts let's
	just for a second go to this and then maybe the guy who's
	knows that this case is a you know a big hoax
	maybe we'll have an answer for this and maybe also what he'll do
	His attempt to do what the professional skeptics have attempted and failed to do after three years, and that's to duplicate any of the evidence.
	So let me quote a little bit here.
	I told you that metal samples had been turned over to Marcel Vogel at IBM.
	A little background.
	At the time, he'd been a research chemist for IBM.
	He'd been there 22 years.
	He held 32 patents himself.
	He'd invented the magnetic disk coding memory system that apparently up until recently, if not still currently, is used In the IBM disk memories.
	He was a specialist in the conversion of energy inside crystals.
	Alright, having said all that, he's obviously an expert.
	What did he find?
	Alright, well he turns on his quarter million dollar scanning electron microscope, he turns on the video camera, and he starts to apply a probe, a stainless steel probe, to this metal sample.
	Now I'll quote him.
	When I touched the oxide with a stainless steel probe, red streaks appeared and the oxide coating disappeared.
	Oh.
	I just touched the metal like that and it started to deoxidize.
	Oh, where are you getting this quote from?
	This was written by, not written by, but in Gary Kinder's book, Light Years, he published a letter called an open letter to the UFO community where He had quoted a number of these experts that he personally interviewed and he sent all the interviews to them for approval before they were published and nobody's come back and said I didn't say that.
	So that's pretty remarkable.
	Continue please.
	The oxide disappears.
	It started to deoxidize and become a pure metal.
	I have never seen a phenomenon like that before.
	Then he's talking about another metal sample that contained nearly every element in the periodic table and he says each pure element ...was bonded to each of the others, yet somehow retained its own identity.
	At 500 power magnification, thulium was revealed.
	And he says, thulium exists only in minute amounts.
	It's exceedingly expensive, far beyond platinum, and rare to come by.
	Someone would have to have an extensive metallurgical knowledge even to be aware of a composition of this type.
	At 1600 power, Vogel says, a whole new world appears in the specimen.
	They're structures within structures.
	Very unusual.
	At 2500 power, he found that the metal sample was metal, but at the same time, it's crystal.
	And so he summarizes his findings.
	This, of course, is maybe an hour-long analysis.
	He says, with any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet.
	And I think that it is important that those of us who are in the scientific world Sit down and do some serious study on these things instead of putting it off as people's imagination.
	He also said, I must admit that that is impressive.
	It's dynamite.
	Plus, he said he brought in a metallurgist friend of his and showed him the samples.
	And the guy said, hey, I don't know how this could be put together.
	Now, there's another very high level scientist whose name is David Froning, and he had been with McDonnell, McDonnell Douglas for 25 years as an astronaut.
	What is it?
	Astronautical engineer.
	In Highly Classified Military Defense, in 1979, he became interested in Meyer's accounts of the Pleiaren starship systems, which mentioned tachyon propulsion.
	And Froning found that Meyer's account of tachyon propulsion, which was at the time only beginning to be discussed by a very small and select group of theoretical physicists, that the calculations for above light speed that Meyer published were amazing.
	There's a whole thing here in the piece by What David Froning is saying is that my colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meyer's accounts of his encounters with the Pleiarens.
	That's from a guy who publishes high-level papers on quantum ramjet performance and quantum interstellar ramjet stuff that I have no conception of whatsoever.
	And his calculations that Maier had, here he says, Maier said that the last time during a hyperspace jump took only several seconds, thus trip time between the Pleiades star cluster and Earth with Froning's slower than light quantum ramjet drive plus a hypothetical tachyon drive would be 8.6 hours, which was within 20% of the Pleiaren trip time reported by Maier.
	But while Froning's calculations were based on many arbitrary assumptions, and they didn't prove or disprove the truthfulness of Meyer's account, because it was a theoretical system that he was working on, only time is going to tell which of them were right.
	But he was startled by the computations being within 20%.
	That is remarkable.
	Listen, a number of skeptics have tried to duplicate the Meyer evidence, right?
	Yes.
	What do you know about that?
	I know plenty about it.
	What efforts have been made and how much success?
	This has been my pet project for a little while here.
	Three years ago I took a reel of the Meyer films that were on video and that lovely picture book that many of us have and I went over to visit some fine fellows at a place called CFI West, Center for Inquiry West.
	Center for Inquiry is an international professional skeptics organization.
	I met with a case investigator named Mr. Vaughn Reese, a very nice gentleman, and he and I went over the films and photographs, and he told me that they were all easily duplicated hoaxes.
	He took the time to explain... Of course.
	Yeah, of course.
	That one film segment where in broad daylight Meyer zooms in on a ship where you can see the flanging, and if there were any bolts on it you could see them, and two lights alternate in broad daylight, one off the cupola and one off of the flange rim, And Mr. Reese told me this was easy to do with a pin on a negative.
	So I said, look, why don't you do me a favor and spare me a lot of embarrassment?
	Prove your case by duplicating one of these films here.
	And so?
	Well, three years passed by.
	And during the first few months of that time, I was in touch with Mr. Reese and I was waiting for development.
	And I made a little boo-boo.
	I have to admit it.
	I've been called on the carpet for this by one of the people who's an expert in this.
	And what I did is I extended to Mr. Reese the opportunity, since he was having trouble duplicating any of this stuff, to go ahead and use computers, special effects, models, anything he wanted, but just to try and do it all with one hand, since Meyer is a man with only one arm.
	Well, I then published an article Where I simply said, professional skeptics group proves UFOs are real because they had failed after three years to submit any evidence.
	This was picked up and written about in the national tabloid called The Sun.
	And The Sun, I'm not a man would usually quote a tabloid, but they did probably the cleanest report on this without sensationalizing.
	They didn't have President Bush meeting with little gray guys up on Myers Farm.
	And they concurred that based on this, the evidence and the photos and the obviousness that these skeptics had failed to make the case.
	So suddenly, they did send me a notice that they had now posted six photographs next to my some of my photographs to compare.
	And they actually did, they did nice photographs of models of UFOs floating, that there were some problems with it.
	And we've engaged in the lengthy debate.
	And I'll explain to you exactly what the problems were.
	They thought that duplicating the photos for some reason meant hang a model by a string or float it with helium, whatever, and take a photograph of it where you can't really make out any details on it and where there's no physical objects next to it whereby you can compare the size.
	Now this is extremely important.
	Well that would not be consistent with the Meyer photographs.
	Not at all.
	Because in the Meyer photographs you've got a lot of trees and mountains and reference points for the photographs in them.
	Exactly, plus you've got multiple UFOs, you have sequence shots where the ships move across the sky, maybe three or four ships, and then they're in each shot.
	Look, folks, there's no question about this.
	The photographic evidence in the Meyer case is the most impressive, detailed, sharp, clear, all of that, and then with Malin's statement.
	So anyway... I'll give you the rest on this, because people have to know, I mean, the skeptics, this is the problem with the professional skeptics, one of them, They're not scientists.
	They set out with a premise that something is false.
	And they try to prove the premise.
	Now, they don't try to objectively find out what are we looking at?
	They could tell you right away, it's a hoax, and we can prove it.
	It's a hoax, not we can discover what it is.
	So when they did these photographs, And I and Jim Deardorff and other people have called them to task on it and they're trying to say that they duplicated.
	So I said, well, fulfill the rest of the duplication process and submit them for photographic analysis.
	Well, they refused to respond to that.
	Why?
	Because all you're going to see, probably you're going to have a model of, you know, whatever determinant size, certainly not going to be a 21 foot in diameter, fully metallic self-supporting craft.
	And they know that.
	And so then they say that I refuse to submit any real evidence For examination, well, here's the problem with that.
	On the website, we have the sounds of the ships that Meyer and his wife recorded in an open field.
	I've heard it.
	Yeah, it's there, and it was so booming and so loud that 15 witnesses came from around the countryside, including a plainclothes policeman, and the recording actually lasts, the full recording lasts over 40 minutes.
	The snippet we have on the website probably about three minutes long here's the beauty of this and we even now on my articles page we've posted an overview of the sound analysis on this.
	They could not, this was taken to two different sound labs and there are, you know, I can give you the skinny on the people who were analyzing.
	What did the sound labs say?
	Okay, I'll bring that right here and I'll kind of give you guys a little overview and then anybody who wants they can read the full thing but here's But what basically what they said was, and let's see if I can zoom down.
	Basically, they found that there were 32 or more discrete frequencies in a random and constantly shifting mix that ranged from 4 to 2170 Hertz, but varied on average between 470 and 1452 Hertz almost.
	Okay, won't worry about that.
	The amplitude of the frequencies was also constantly changing whereby the dominance And then I go on to talk about the wave shape and all this stuff.
	Basically what they're saying was with any technology, including synthesizers, they could not duplicate the sounds.
	And part of what was remarkable in these constantly shifting and interfacing sounds was 24 of them were in the audible range, 8 of them could only be detected with spectrum analyzers and oscilloscopes.
	These were recorded outdoors with birds chirping and crickets in an open field, yet you had 24 audible sounds Eight of the sounds were at the frequency range that you could only see the patterns of them or pick them up on that kind of technology.
	All right, all right.
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	this is coast to coast a m with art bell the uh... billy meyer case of the
	biggest probably in the world biggest local contact uh...
	case in the world with a very great deal of evidence
	a tremendous amount of photographic evidence of metallic evidence that's
	been examined audio evidence that's been examined and by the way a
	message for the world and We'll get to all of that in a bit.
	more on the billy meyer case directly ahead well i'm just a talk show host but it doesn't seem to me
	That a little Swiss fellow living in a rural community could put together a hoax of the quality that would draw quotes from people like Malin on the photographs, scientists on the metallic pieces that were given, and the audio recordings and all the rest of it.
	I just, you know, sitting here, it just doesn't seem very probable.
	Unless somebody with a great deal of knowledge chose Billy Meyer in league with him in this hoax.
	It just doesn't seem like Billy Meyer would be capable of pulling this off.
	What do you think, Michael?
	Well, I'd agree with you, especially the joke here, if you will, is he's done it all with the proverbial one arm, not tied behind his back, but one arm missing.
	You know, I'd like to just... How did he lose his arm, by the way?
	He was told ten years before he was going to lose it by the play arm that he would lose his arm.
	There was nothing they could do about it and it was just one of those things that was going to happen and he should prepare himself for it.
	So in the myriad of occupations he's had in various places throughout Europe and the Middle East, he was a bus driver in Turkey on a narrow street and he had his arm hanging out the window and it did it.
	It's not a pleasant story but suffice it to say that's how he lost the arm.
	But you know, while I tell all this and I'm talking about the skeptics and their failure to even come close to duplicating, they've made a very large mistake because by being so obstinate and unprofessional and quite frankly unethical, they just create more attention for the case and ultimately both CFI West and the amazing Randy are going to have to pay, if they're honorable people, they're going to have to pay The money they claim to have put up for the challenge, but Randy recently sent an email.
	He's now withdrawing from the argument.
	He's letting other people do it.
	So there's really a reason for all this, and before we get on to it, I wanted to take one more moment, if I could, on the sound evidence, because there is something here so that anybody that's sitting out there, and I've gotten a few emails from watching, and some are, oh, you know, this is nonsense, and I'm thinking, well, that's a great argument, but how do you address it?
	Here's the thing.
	In the sound analysis that Wendell Stevens had done, here's the following.
	Jim Delatoso, the research consultant, takes samples of the noise on these tapes to men named Peter Gimmer and Rick Copeland of Micor in San Francisco.
	They perform tests in the audible range from 20 Hz to 2000 Hz.
	They found 24 characteristic frequencies within the audible range and 8 outside of it.
	All 32 frequencies concurrently at different amplitudes and volumes All 32 tones are somehow produced simultaneously.
	In a time matrix, the amplitude of some frequencies increases while that of others decreases.
	It was observed that the amplitude periodically increased by about 50 decibels and then decreased by about 40.
	At other times, it was just the opposite, which produced the characteristic beat that was audible.
	Other normal sounds were audible on the recording, but there were no sounds of a tone-on-tone tape dubbing.
	All frequencies were clear and stable and they were regularly lined up along the frequency scale.
	So then they take a portion of the recordings and they give them to another guy, Robin Shellman, an undersea sound technician.
	He studied them with a spectrum analyzer that was built by Spectrodynamics in San Diego.
	Now we're dealing with a one-armed farmer here and a cassette tape recorder.
	Yeah.
	Okay?
	What he found is that the sounds must have been produced by a rotating device.
	And the high-speed device produced the sound that began at 520 Hz and increased in steps up to 990 Hz, only to decrease... They go on with this whole thing about the sounds, how they reappear, they disappear, they're very strong.
	Okay, well that's very interesting.
	And they conclude that it must have been produced by a rotating device.
	Rotating, and then the thing is, they say that the... There's so much into this.
	People can read this on the website.
	By the way, people, some are having a hard time finding the audio that you're talking about.
	I would assume some of the photographs, do you have some?
	Yeah, we've got all that stuff.
	They're at www.theyfly.com, correct?
	Alright, we've got a link to the website on that, but just in case, and for some reason you can't get to it, that's it.
	www.theyfly.com.
	Now it's possible, I'm trying to bring up the website, you know whenever anybody goes up here... We may have another notch.
	We have a great... I'm sorry, we took your website down.
	Oh boy!
	It does happen a lot.
	Your website will eventually get back on its feet.
	It'll come back up.
	And just to tell people, Everything that I'm, you know, kind of motor-mouthing through here tonight, I have put on a two-hour DVD where they can actually read the stuff and hear the stuff and go through it and they don't have to, they can do all this research themselves.
	Alright, well people will accuse you of, you know, profiting on this.
	Yeah, I'm sure they will.
	And so what do you say?
	Well, you know, people accuse Billy Meyer of profiting by this.
	Well, has he not Not really.
	You know, Swiss law is extremely, extremely specific.
	How so?
	Well, you know, that's the country of banking and rigid laws in every department.
	Well, yes, yes.
	They operate under a very strict non-profit status.
	I've actually, three years running, they open the books.
	You're telling me Billy Meyer operates on a non-profit status?
	That's correct.
	But he does have a Swiss bank account, because he's Swiss.
	I like that.
	Makes sense, I guess.
	Well, the Swiss bankers are very tight-lipped.
	Right, but the government is only been explained to me a little bit that you can't mess around too easily with the laws over there.
	They are very, what would you say, particular and they have not had any trouble about their status.
	When they sell their stuff, their booklets and all, they have a couple dollars for this.
	Well, where does the money go?
	Into their non-profit organization for printing.
	They print the photographs, they sell their booklets, they have some videotapes, they do charity work in different countries.
	Fair enough.
	How does Billy Meyer stay alive?
	How does he make his living?
	You know, I don't know totally.
	He has some pension because he's partially disabled, having lost an arm and he worked over there.
	They have a cooperative living situation to a degree, but I don't want to avoid the question that you raised about me.
	I mean, I'll come back to that.
	I made a DVD Which I call a lecumentary.
	Basically, I used PowerPoint and narrated it.
	I included film and video and sounds and documents.
	I screen scanned in the text from some of the copyrighted books and documents.
	We're going to get to what I call the higher standard of proof.
	People can argue all they want about photographs and films, even though there's nobody on the planet that has yet to duplicate this stuff.
	And you know, it's like we can have the discussion endlessly about photos and films and Okay.
	Should I presume, Michael, that you have a deal with Billy and that some portion of your profits are then realized by the non-profit organization around Billy Meyer?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	I actually offered them, and I don't mind saying this because it exactly went down, I asked them if they wanted an override from the sales of the DVD that I did and they said no.
	No?
	No.
	And so I consider that clean and I would not have minded at all because If I'm selling a DVD here, which I am.
	That is interesting.
	Well, it's true also.
	I mean, I'm just telling you.
	Why would they say no?
	Maybe they anticipated the obvious thing.
	You know, in our country, we are very concerned with how people make their living.
	Is this a motive?
	This isn't, you know, although I would tell you freely, I would love to be spending all my professional time speaking in colleges and confronting science experts and all the rest, because I already have with a number of people, including people with top level security clearances, they cannot refute the hard
	evidence. I'm not talking about the
	photos and films. That's what I would call like in this class one evidence.
	It's still irreproducible. It's enough to make the case, but because people are going to say,
	well, where's the negatives and I'm a genius and I have to see it, you know, it's like you'll
	never really win that argument except with the skeptics who will...
	Well, why isn't that a fair question?
	Where are the negatives?
	Well, 30 years ago, the photographs were all taken on a 35mm single lens reflex camera.
	They were examined by the investigative team.
	You're referring to the negatives?
	Yeah.
	Now, not in all cases did they have the negatives, but in enough cases where they could examine them.
	And they also did such extensive searches for special effects uh... any any financial trail conspirators nobody's ever
	come forward they could find no money trail plot
	the investigators were often there when billy would go off have a contact come back with a
	role of film and they would turn the film over to a developing lab
	you know and alright what about other people having seen uh... these cramping
	obviously throughout the world
	I'm not a real and also you're saying this Well over a hundred people, and not just in that area, even in other countries, who then would write to Meyer because they either saw and or photographed.
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking about the same craft at the same location that Billy saw them.
	There's about a hundred people there.
	I've spoken to twelve.
	There's four other photographers I've talked to Either all of them or three of them.
	There's one guy, I was over there when I was over last year, he told me the year before he and 15 other people were outside, and I talked to some of the other people, and they all said the same thing.
	In broad daylight, two of the ships came and hovered over the center, high up in the sky, and danced around.
	They took photographs for 30 minutes.
	To them, what we have to understand is to them, the UFO part is old news.
	For us, we're still fascinated with the ships they came in, like the Nini, the Pinto, the Santa Maria, and the Columbus story.
	This isn't about the ships they came in.
	Yes, I sell this DVD.
	us and our survival, but we're going to move to that. But it's fair. It's fair
	questions and it's still to get back to the question about me. Yes, I sell this
	DVD. I want people to have it because quite frankly when we open up what
	this is about, I think some people may understand that I have that my feelings
	that this is truly about our future survival are genuine feelings in my part.
	This concerns the message, of course, and we're about to get to that, but we've got plenty of time, intentionally, and I'm not trying to be mean to you in any way.
	I'm just trying to hit you with hard questions.
	Now, you've got actually written here that there's, past the evidence that we've talked about, there's even a higher standard of proof that meets your words, legal and scientific standards.
	That's correct.
	Explain.
	Remember I mentioned to you the contact reports.
	These were the transcripts of documents that Meyer started to publish in 1975, originally in German, and he disseminated them.
	They were available not only in Switzerland, but in Germany and other places throughout Europe.
	By about 1980, I believe, they had the rough English translation that came into my possession in 1986.
	Now, the man who gave them to me Let's look at exactly what you've asked me.
	In these documents I also said to you that there was very interesting information.
	it's true that by about 1980 or 81 the English translations were available, it holds water.
	Now, let's look at exactly what you've asked me. In these documents I also said to you
	that there was very interesting information. And what that information constituted was
	specific scientific and world event related information of the nature of wars, assassinations,
	earthquakes, terrorist activities, scientific discoveries, a broad band spectrum of unique
	and specific information covering a wide variety of areas.
	Why do you think this information, in other words, a sort of a whole slew of predictions in time to come were delivered to Billy?
	What was this for?
	Was the purpose of this to validate The information period?
	Was that the idea?
	Well, though they didn't exactly spell out why we're doing this, here's what I figured.
	And I'll come back to this so we can actually explore what that information was and satisfy some people's curiosity, hopefully.
	What was occurring was this.
	In my estimation, they created what is really a 30 to 48 year record of impeccably accurate information for the purpose of these times.
	Specifically in my mind that we would once we came into contact and awareness of this material through various means hearing Myers Hearing him speak or reading his books or videotapes or what have you that people would then say wait a minute This information is impeccable.
	It's accurate and I'll get to the idea of the random error theory in a moment Well, I guess, again, I'm asking, do you think the information was delivered so that over time the record in history would reflect the accuracy of the predictions and underscore all the rest of the story?
	Yes, exactly, and in underscoring the rest of the story, it would give us good reason.
	Alright, these predictions were made in what year, or through what year?
	Alright, I'm going to give you that.
	Let me just finish this one thought.
	They would give us good reason not to swallow the story whole, but to seriously consider what they were going to tell us about now and what's coming up.
	Sure, it's clear.
	If the hits are there, boom, boom, boom, boom, then yes, you can... Okay, so when were these predictions delivered to Billy?
	Starting in 1956.
	And Meyer was told that there was a connection between atomic bomb tests and the ozone dam.
	And he said that they told him that this would have affected things like there would be magnetic disturbances, polar displacement, environmental damage to the ozone layer, and all of that.
	Now, as I say, this is 1956, but they start a series of official contacts with him in 1975, wherein the information is now to be published.
	In February 25th of 75, and again on September 16th, they gave him updated information on the connection of the A-bomb testing to the ozone damage, and what they said was there were what they called high-frequency elementary radiation.
	All right, let me stop you there.
	Where in science do we now understand That there was a connection between the atomic testing and the ozone depletion.
	Okay, good.
	Because this is where the lights went on for me.
	It's November of 1988 and I open a local newspaper and I look down at an article that says, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories announces atom bomb testing tied to ozone depletion and it goes on.
	Really?
	Yes, it's a new discovery.
	And they even tell the percentage of the damage, which was within 1% of what Meyer was told.
	Do you actually have that article?
	Yeah, I even put it on the DVD.
	I scanned it in.
	Alright, read me a little of that article.
	Well, okay, I'll have to bring up my PowerPoint while I do that.
	Well, I don't care.
	Alright, so November of 1988.
	You'll have to bear with me on this because I have to find that I'm... And the article, I'm sorry, was by... The article was in a newspaper here.
	I'm talking while I'm trying to bring a PowerPoint.
	Bear with me and I will... Yeah, I'm bearing.
	But what publication do you recall?
	That was... Let me see where that was.
	Oh, goodness.
	That was in... Oh, golly.
	When I get the PowerPoint up, I'll be able to tell you right away where that is.
	So, bear with me and hopefully I've got it.
	I opened other articles.
	Okay, but I just haven't heard a lot of connection between atomic bomb testing and depletion of the ozone or the ozone hole or whatever.
	Oh yeah, there's a lot to come here and hopefully I'm on to it with all of this stuff.
	While I'm looking to bring this up, let me tell you this.
	When Meyer was going through all of this information, Oh, here we go.
	Let me see if I can read it.
	It was in the Outlook, Tuesday, November 29th, 1988.
	I'm reading off my little screen here.
	Yes.
	Atmospheric testing of nuclear bombs during the late 1950s and early 60s apparently shredded parts of the Earth's protective ozone layer, causing as much as a 5% loss of ozone over the central United States, according to recent analyses at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory near Oakland.
	The parents said 6.38%.
	Lawrence Livermore said 5.
	Researchers think the huge fireballs from explosions hurled destructive chemicals into the upper atmosphere, where a misty layer of ozone shields the planet from lethal doses of ultraviolet solar radiation.
	The damage was even greater in the Arctic regions, where as much as 12% of the ozone layer reportedly vanished.
	The U.S.
	Environmental Protection Agency has estimated that a 1% reduction in the ozone shield could mean as many as 43,000 additional skin cancers Hold that thought.
	Lawrence Livermore, that's pretty impressive.
	In November of 88.
	Delivered in 1956.
	Well, I didn't know about the prediction.
	And I absolutely didn't know about Lawrence Livermore having said that.
	So, all of that is new information and kind of interesting to me.
	And then there were a raft of additional predictions that apparently came true.
	all designed to underscore the fact that it really happened to Billy Meyer, but more importantly,
	I guess, that the message that the Plié-Orens gave was real.
	So, let's go.
	The Plié-Orens, the first of the Plié-Orens, were a group of people who were inspired by the Plié-Orens.
	They were inspired by the Plié-Orens, and they were inspired by the Plié-Orens.
	They were inspired by the Plié-Orens, and they were inspired by the Plié-Orens.
	The Plié-Orens were inspired by the Plié-Orens.
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	It is, and we're discussing the Billy Meyer case with the American representative for Billy Meyer.
	His name is Michael Horn.
	And so far, I must say, this is really kind of impressive.
	Particularly if you're hearing the story for the first time.
	Jumping from the photographic evidence, which is incredible by itself, commented on by people like Michael Malin, to the metallic pieces, identified and rendered as something alien.
	To the sound recordings.
	And now to the things predicted for our world that apparently came true.
	The damage to the ozone by atomic testing.
	The comment by Lawrence Livermore in 1988 that indeed it was happening.
	That prediction made in 56.
	and we'll track a lot more of those in a moment.
	Alright, Michael, welcome back.
	Let's stick with this for a moment.
	Okay, we've got the ozone business.
	Well, that's just the beginning of it.
	May I just, one little thought over this for all the people that are listening, and I know you reach a worldwide audience, and I want to say this.
	I want to lay out, as you're inviting me to do, all of this evidence, and there's a bottom line.
	We're going to get to it, as you say, later on.
	We have a unique opportunity in the United States and in this world To make the kind of a difference that is critical to our world that nobody's had before.
	And I'm going to get into that later.
	First, let me try to satisfy the inquisitive minds and the critical minds.
	We should all be looking at this critically.
	Here we go.
	Now, in addition to that connection to A-bomb testing, they also told him that these holes in the ozone were going to allow the penetration of UV and it was going to kill off microorganisms And it would lead to disruptions in the food chain, genetic mutations, and other long-term negative effects for humans and the planet.
	Now, that's, you know, this is, remember, this is 1975.
	Well, it turns out that in, oops, I lost my placer, but I'm going to get it back.
	It turns out that in 19, where were we, 92, 17 years later, 17 years later, there's an article that appears, and it actually appeared in the L.A.
	Times.
	I'm going to bring that up here.
	You're having a lot of trouble bringing things up.
	Yeah, you know, because I've got so much stuff in front of me with all this.
	I want to make sure that you get it right.
	Yeah, because people are going to, you know, be saying... People are, and people are just waiting to jump on any misstatement you make, anything at all.
	Well, here we go.
	I got it, and I think we'll be able to control it from here on out.
	All right.
	This is written by Joel Greenberg, the science editor at the LA Times, and it says, ozone hole damages food chain.
	This is 1992, 17 years later.
	The expanding hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole is significantly reducing the growth of phytoplankton, minute floating plants that form the foundation of the Antarctic food chain.
	Researchers reported last week, 17 years after Meyer was told this, the effect is the first direct evidence that the abnormally high levels of ultraviolet light coming through the ozone hole is having an impact on Antarctic populations, said geographer Raymond C. Smith of UC Santa Barbara, who headed the team.
	And it goes on to just elaborate on this.
	Okay, so let's go to something else.
	Now this one I can't bring up, I can just tell you.
	They also said to him that bromine gases, this is at the same time in 1975, bromine gases were another contributing factor to the ozone damage that they were used in agriculture and wood preservation and fumigation.
	And this one I can't bring up because it was in 1991, I'm listening to National Public Radio, and they had an announcement about the connection between bromine gases and the destruction of the ozone.
	In 1976, one year later, Meyer is told that the extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the earth, as well as the damming of waters and construction of huge cities, were contributing factors to increased earthquake and volcanic activity, and to another problem that we would be having.
	Okay, so I think we have an article on that.
	And bear with me, I can tell you that I don't think there's been any proof that cities and so forth contribute to earthquakes.
	Well, that's right.
	I'm not going to rest on that one.
	What I'm going to give you here is this one instead.
	This is in the Good Life Independent Journal newspaper, which was the week of June 21st to 27th, 1990.
	Here's the headline.
	Earthquakes, oil, interact.
	For four decades, the beach area has been plagued by unsuccessful threats of onshore and offshore oil drilling.
	And by the knowledge that there are hundreds of substandard buildings which could crumble in a major earthquake.
	Now, Stanford's geophysics professor, Paul Siegel, has scientifically related both fears.
	He's published a mathematical model which suggests oil and gas extraction may lead potentially to serious earthquake tremors.
	Simply stated, Siegel says, When gas or oil that has been sitting in the pores of the rock is taken out, the gas reservoir shrinks.
	I've got the idea.
	I don't doubt that perhaps extracting large amounts of oil could cause disruption down low.
	That sort of makes sense.
	What I want from you is, I guess that's sort of a backed up prediction, but big predictions were made, if there were others, Oh yeah, sure.
	Okay, then just give us examples.
	Okay.
	You don't have to pull them all up on the camera.
	Okay, because some of this I do know by heart, but the newspaper articles... All right, let's go to what you know by heart.
	Okay.
	In 1975, when Meyer was ostensibly being shown Venus up close and personal in a craft, and we'll talk about that in a minute, he was also casually remarking that the mountains down there, there was a mountain that looked to be comparable in height to what he said was the highest mountain on Earth, Mount Everest.
	At that point, Semyaze, the woman that he is being contacted by and traveling with at this point, says, excuse me, but you're wrong.
	Mount Everest is not the highest mountain on Earth.
	Now, this is a little incidental, but bear with me.
	This is a 21-year jump.
	She said, no, no, you don't measure it right.
	Mount Chimborazo is the highest mountain on your planet because you have to truly measure since the Earth is elliptical, not perfectly round, measure from the center of the planet, not sea level.
	Okay, 21 years later in the 1996 issue of Earth Magazine, they reported that now scientists have confirmed that Mount Chimborazo is the highest mountain on Earth.
	But that's a small little thing, 21 years.
	During that contact, Meyer was given specific information about Venus, unknown at the time, which included the composition and percentages of atmospheric gases, the surface temperatures, the depth of the cloud banks.
	That's impressive, and all of that was corroborated?
	A year later by both the probes from the U.S.
	and the U.S.S.R.
	Where did Billy write all of this?
	In these contact reports, see what happened was after he would have meetings with these people, he would come home and remember now he's a man with one arm.
	They had modified a standard typewriter for him so that he could type at a very high rate of speed, about 60 words per minute or more with one hand, which basically means with one finger.
	They had recorded everything and Since he was a child, he had been taught over 1.2 million symbols, to recognize symbols telepathically.
	This is where it gets even more, you know, amazing, outrageous, whatever you want to call it.
	Well, what they would do is transmit back to him the entire conversation, not in English or German, but in symbol form, and while he was translating it in his mind from symbols to German, he was typing it simultaneously, often for hours at a time.
	Then he would run it off on a Xerox machine and disseminate it to the people that were studying it.
	It would find its way around Europe.
	Ultimately, it would be translated into English.
	Ultimately, Wendell Stevens, who would gather up all this stuff in about 1978 and 1979, would publish it in books.
	Of course, the books have copyrights in them, and we know when Wendell had this.
	On the DVD, I've put the copyright pages.
	This information was given to Billy to warn us.
	Yes, but you wanted something really hot.
	I do, and if you've got it, get it out there.
	Alright, let's start with this one.
	for themselves and they can now scratch their heads, well how did he get this stuff in books?
	This information was given to Billy to warn us.
	Yes, but you wanted something really hot.
	I do, and if you've got it, get it out there.
	Alright, let's start with this one.
	1978, he's ostensibly taken for a close-up and personal look at Jupiter.
	He is remarking in the conversation to his companion there that, well, Jupiter has rings.
	I didn't know that.
	And he starts talking about Europa.
	He says that Europa appears to be covered in ice.
	And there's the moon Io, which he says to her, I remember you told me that's the most volcanically active body in the solar system.
	And then he goes on to describe how the rings of Jupiter are primarily formed by the expulsion of matter from the volcanoes on Io.
	And it's a whole technical long thing we won't go into.
	I contact the chairman of the astronomy department at Cornell University, Dr. Joseph Wawrka, a year ago in April.
	And I said to him, Dr. Wawrka, you know, I saw your name associated with all this information on Jupiter.
	You know, I know a Swiss guy that published some of this before you did.
	He said, well, that's a little interesting.
	Send it to me.
	I said, OK.
	So I send him the information on If he said that three to five months before, then all I can say is that he's right.
	one more time, I think, before he freaked out. And I said, Did you read the information from Mr. Meyer
	about Io? And he said, Yes, I did. And all I can say is, and this is as close to the quote,
	and I have the quote on the DVD. If he said that three to five months before, then all I can say
	is that he's right. Now, three to five months before, that's great, except in 1998, Cornell
	comes out with a new discovery that the rings of Jupiter are formed of dust particles coming off of
	of the moon.
	It's published in 78 by Meyer.
	So, now... Pretty good.
	Pretty good.
	Alright, now we're going to get to the heavy stuff where, if you will, we start talking about the events on this planet and what they already told him that already occurred.
	Alright, let's do that.
	Go ahead.
	In 1978, again in that same context, When Wendell Stephens, Lt.
	Col.
	Wendell Stephens, U.S.
	Air Force, retired, was at Meyer's property, late 1978, he wanted to have that information on Jupiter, and Meyer told one of the people to run off a copy for him, and then the phone rings, Meyer runs out of the room without telling that person to not give him the predictions for future events that are in the same document.
	The person runs off the whole thing, Wendell takes the papers, doesn't look at it, puts it in the briefcase, comes back to the States, He starts reading it and sees that there are specific things mentioned, and I'm going to read them to you so you know what they are.
	All of a sudden, Wendell opens the briefcase, once he's back in the States, and oh my God, here are the actual predictions, which Billy did not intend for him to get.
	What he does next is he calls up another military man, Rudolf Pestalozzi, retired Major, and Mr. O. Richard Norton, who was the former director of Flandreau.
	Planetarium in Tucson.
	These guys all read this, they sign off on it, and they hide it because these are the things that were in there which had not yet occurred.
	Let's hear it.
	Jonestown massacre, overthrow of the Shah of Iran, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Chinese invasion of North Vietnam, the death of Tito of Yugoslavia, Mount St.
	Helens eruption, The abdication of the Queen of Holland, the death of Indira Gandhi, the Iran hostage crisis, and the terrorist attack on the Iranian embassy in London, and Wendell Stephens and two other men have witnessed it and signed off on it, and those events occurred after their possession.
	That's impressive.
	Not too shabby.
	That's really impressive, if the document time is authentic.
	Wendell still has the document.
	We're moving up.
	In 1978, Meyer writes that a comet would be discovered in the late 80s or early 90s.
	It would be named Teutates, and that it would come close, possibly threatening the Earth, in September of 2004.
	In 1989, French astronomers discovered this comet, or as some call it, an asteroid, and they named it Teutates.
	It's predicted to come closest to Earth September 29th, 2000.
	That's pretty impressive.
	I would say that that is pretty impressive.
	In November of 1996, Myers stated that there's two small planetary bodies outside of Pluto's orbit.
	He calls them Trans-Pluto and Uni.
	Says they'll be discovered soon.
	October 7th, 2002, BBC reports that scientists have discovered a new planet beyond Pluto.
	In 1981, Meyer discussed information with one of the ETs concerning the 29 actual moons of Saturn.
	At the time he's discussing this information, he's only aware of about 12 of them.
	He's informed that there are actually more, maybe 15 or 16, but that the total number is in actuality 29.
	November of 2000, November of 2000, scientists announced the discovery of 12 more moons, bringing the total number to 28.
	We're now just one shy about what he was told.
	On February 28th of 1987, in what are known as the Enoch or Hanoch prophecies, Meyer is forewarned of the destruction of the World Trade Center by terrorism, and a bunch of other things.
	And this is where we start to get Well, count me as impressed if all of that is true.
	Well, I'm going to jump for a second.
	We'll come back.
	But, Art, I think you may still have the book, And Yet They Fly.
	On pages 347 and 348 of that book are six specific prophetic or predicted events by Meyer which have all come true.
	So what I'm going to tell you is what those events were.
	Yes, please.
	I put him in front of me here, and I do have him.
	Okay.
	Meyer predicted the following.
	You can find this.
	Some of it's a little cryptic, but some of it's very direct.
	The strike or the attack by the U.S.
	and its president, meaning Iraq.
	Meyer had said, on a broader scale, expect a strike by the U.S.A., expect a strike involving the U.S.A.
	and its president that will stun the entire world.
	Now, when we attacked Iraq, do you remember what that attack was called?
	Which one?
	This last attack on Iraq, when the war started, let me not play guessing games, it's called Shock and Awe.
	Shock and Awe, and Desert Storm.
	That's right.
	If you look up the synonym for shock, you get stunned, and if you look up stunned, you get shocked.
	So Meyer threw the word in there in 1995.
	And then, right after that, he correctly predicted the following upsurge in unrest and violence from Islamic fundamentalists.
	He said the obvious that AIDS was going to be spreading.
	He also said that mad cow disease would then spread to other animals and humans in increasing numbers.
	There would be a new disease and epidemic appearing, as SARS did.
	And he warned that there would be a renewed threat and concern over chemical warfare, which is, of course, now more in the news than ever.
	We can't even find the weapons of mass destruction.
	But then for those people that still think, well, he could have meant this or he could have meant that, he said, look, Prophecies are alterable, so let me tell you the following.
	There is the chance of an accident at the nuclear power plant near Lyon, France, one of 436 nuclear power plants in 1995.
	136 nuclear power plants in 1995. On August 12th of 2003, the power plant near Lyon, France
	had an emergency situation and they did manage to shut it down. Now, that's pretty good stuff
	for a guy eight years before the events.
	I agree.
	But all rests on when these documents really were in somebody's hands.
	Sure, well, they were in your hands before your hands are dealt.
	That's true.
	It is true.
	And I downloaded the predictions from the internet in 1998, but they're in that book with a published date of 2001 and each of these things Happened after that date.
	For those people that want to argue about hubcap photos and that they can duplicate this and duplicate that, can you figure out how he hoaxed that?
	And let me jump to one more thing.
	People have said, you know, he must be a good guesser.
	And so they're figuring that, well, he must have a whole bunch of... A good guesser?
	Yeah, you know, he's lucky.
	And I said, you know, the funny thing about this If Meyer was faking it somehow, or he was a good guesser, you'd have to have literally hundreds of erroneous, wild 10,000 monkeys in a typewriter situation.
	You don't!
	And you can prove it because the books have been published and they've been existing for years.
	We've got the copyrighted books.
	We have the documents.
	It's all in the DVD.
	And this is where I'm going to tell people later on, you want to make a change in this world, when you start finding out what these people are warning us about here, If you're moved to participate, then learn about it, and then at least contact... Look, Art Bell, you reach a world of people.
	There's people during daytime that are talking on radio and TV in little towns and cities and big cities all over the country and all over the world that know nothing about this.
	And yet, if only they did, if only they would look at it and bring it to attention of other people, we might be able to awaken this world in a quantum way almost overnight.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Michael.
	We have heard a lot of what seems to be extremely strong evidence regarding the validity of the physical evidence, including now the prophecy that came true.
	When we get back, we'll begin to talk about what Billy Meyer actually was told.
	There were warnings given to us given to Billy Meyer for us So if you believe part one, you're gonna want to listen to
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	Number two, we have now completed, in my mind, the first part of the program, and that is the evidence.
	And I think for any who were listening objectively, a lot of this is pretty impressive evidence, actually.
	We're talking about Billy Meyer and the contacts he's had.
	Now, part two is going to consist of moving on to the warnings that we, as a people, have been given by the Pleiarents.
	I believe that's close, anyway.
	It's a new name, not Pleiadians, but Pleiarents.
	And Michael can correct me on that if I got it wrong.
	It's new, but that's what it was always supposed to be, according to Michael.
	And we've been issued a very specific set of warnings.
	Very dire warnings.
	And that's what's coming up next.
	Then we're going to go to the telephone.
	So, if you've got questions, and I know you do, that would be the moment.
	Come nice to hear the thunder going out occasionally.
	I guess they put that on there and so I thought, well, hey.
	I think anybody listening to the last two hours, objectively, has to be a little bit impressed.
	Really does.
	Certainly I am.
	I think the evidence is pretty good.
	So now, a big question, having accepted, at least for the sake of this discussion, the first two hours of presented evidence.
	Let's now talk to the message that Billy Meyer was given.
	I think that's very important, Michael, but you have to lay that groundwork first or nobody's going to pay much attention to the message itself.
	I agree.
	So, what is it?
	Is it the Playorans?
	Playorans, yeah.
	They actually called it, they keep correcting us, they called it the Playoran, as in like the Playoran people.
	It's not going to kill it to say the Playorans.
	I was calling them the Playorans.
	I got a letter from one of the people in Switzerland.
	Well, technically, it's the plagiarism.
	Okay, fine.
	Whatever.
	But what I want to say about this, because we're going to lay out the stuff that you were just kind of announcing.
	Prophecy and prediction are two separate things by definition here.
	And prophecy, as far as they're concerned, refers to negative events, because usually you don't have to be warned about positive things.
	But negative events that will occur if we don't alter thoughts, actions.
	Yes.
	Right?
	And predictions are those things which are already set in stone and they may often have what you might call a cosmic origin.
	It simply means like a comet or an asteroid coming through or some kind of thing that's greater.
	But prophecies can turn to predictions if they've passed the point of no return.
	Both prophecies and predictions as everything else in life operates on the principles of
	the laws of cause and effect.
	There's nothing mystical here.
	You know, when we speak about prophecies, we're speaking about...
	Well, there are mystical things in prophecy.
	Maybe, but in this case, what I'm trying to delineate is, on Earth we've got weathermen and scientists and people
	that forecast sporting events and financial trends.
	We're used to the idea of people taking information and projecting outcomes.
	Yes, well our weathermen are a lot like prophets, and sometimes events coincide to make it not come true.
	Yes.
	Anyway, listen, there's a message.
	I want to get to that now.
	There is, and we get to the unique thing here as we get to this message, because it's a little heavy and I want to set this up properly.
	I don't want to just scare people.
	I mean, heck, We get to do something about it this time, and there's a plan.
	If people want to make Billy Mayer wrong, let's make the play Aaron wrong.
	I'm all for it.
	Let's prove that this does not have to occur.
	So what we're talking about here, we've come to something that's called the Enoch prophecies, or Hanoch prophecies.
	They're putting them in the new edition of the book for anybody that wants to sit and go through them.
	There's pages of them.
	They are very, very intense, and they cover a lot of territory, and we're going to go into that now, but when people get the book, they'll be able to... Let's hit the high points.
	Well, they're all low points, because... That's fine.
	Most news is the news at 5.30 by any of the networks.
	It's all low points.
	It's the nature of news, so just go ahead and let's... Okay, so to do this, I have to just explain that the prophecies are not given in a chronological order for the reason, they explain, that if we knew exactly what was coming when, We would simply try to alter the event.
	Isn't that the idea?
	Yes, but what they're trying to get us to do is to see the big picture and to make some very profound changes in our individual and collective behavior and consciousness.
	Alright, having said all that, lay it on us.
	I want to hear it.
	Alright, so in order to do it, I have to read it from some of this document or try to paraphrase it.
	So I'm going to jump here to something in the middle of a page where it says, And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver.
	This is from 1987.
	Everything in the West will be destroyed.
	England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery.
	And the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time.
	However, not only Europe will be affected, but ultimately all the countries and peoples of the Earth.
	As the great horror expands to a war that will encompass The entire world.
	After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period.
	Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position.
	After him, only one additional pope will follow.
	Then a Pontifex Maximus follows, who will be known as Petrus Romanus.
	I think other people have said this, too.
	Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, and a total collapse becomes inevitable.
	So, we'll stop here on this segment.
	As far back as 1980 or 1981, they told Meyer that during the latter part of the 20th century and going into the 21st century, fundamentalist sects and religious cults of all sorts would start to arise, and there'd be a lot of pain and suffering over it.
	And they did point out the Islamic fundamentalists as one of the major ones.
	And they also said at that time, and they repeat it later, That France will have an uprising from within that could overthrow France to a high degree.
	Remember they're saying here that Islam is going to, you know, roar through Europe.
	Yeah, this is serious stuff, all right.
	This is serious.
	Now, the reason I want to stop here is to say, look, I want to remind us at every moment, this is still to some degree alterable because there's a counterbalance body of information where they have said, look, This isn't about pacifism.
	This isn't about you simply letting things happen to you, because self-defense is not only a right, it's a responsibility.
	But from their perspective, the way to deal with these things is very different than the way we're dealing with it.
	So I want to read more into it and then talk about that, because this is going to bother you and a lot of other people.
	I'm going to jump back and forth here.
	Here's where it gets unpleasant.
	The USA will set out against the eastern countries ahead of all other financial states and simultaneously she will have to defend herself against the eastern intruders.
	In all, America will play the most decisive role when in the guise to strive for peace and to fight against terrorism, she will invade many countries of the earth, bomb and destroy everything, and bring thousand-fold death to the populations.
	The military policy Our politics, pardon me, of the USA will likewise know no limits, as neither will their economical and other political institutions, which will be focused on building and operating a world police force, as it is the case already for a long time.
	Now, before people start, listen, I'm reading somebody else's words here, but they'll be mad at me.
	I don't care.
	It doesn't matter.
	Let me explain how I look at this.
	We in this country are an extended family, as every country could consider itself and Let alone humanity.
	If in my own personal family, I find out somebody brings me news that some cousin or Uncle Joe or Aunt Nellie is doing something that's really wrong or immoral, dangerous or deadly, do I turn around and attack the messenger or do I go about trying to find out whether it is so or not so?
	Well, a lot of people attack the messenger, Michael.
	Yes.
	So my position, what I've kind of learned the hard way is I don't care what I like and what I don't like.
	I still may have them, but I want to find out what is so and what is true because then I can do something about it.
	This is my editorial.
	If we continue to be focused on sticking our index fingers in the air, whirling them around and going, we're number one and anybody that objects to anything is unpatriotic, we are in an awful lot of trouble.
	No one would run a company that way.
	Let alone a family and let alone a country.
	So let me go on where they're continuing to slam at us.
	And by the way, they are equal opportunity offenders.
	They have something bad to say about almost everybody.
	But I'm more concerned right now with what they're saying here, because this affects potentially you and me.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	They are talking here and it says, and this will point towards the possibility that a third world war could develop from it.
	If human beings as a whole will not finally reflect upon reason and become reasonable and undertake the necessary steps against the insane machinations of their governments and military powers, as well as their secret services, and call a halt to the power of the irresponsible who have forsaken their responsibility in all areas, if this does not happen, many small and great nations We'll lose their independence and their cultural identity and will be beaten down because the USA will gain predominance over them with evil force and bring them down under her rule.
	At first, many countries will howl with the wolves of the US, partially due to fear of American aggressions and sanctions, as this will be the case with many irresponsible in Switzerland and Germany, but also of other countries.
	You realize this sounds very anti-American.
	Yes, it does.
	As I say, they're equal opportunity defenders, but I'm focusing on this At the risk of people being upset because... No, that's right.
	I don't want you to... I ain't backing off of it because this is what's in there.
	No, I don't want you to back off of it.
	I'm just making note of how it does sound.
	You know?
	Absolutely so.
	And Meyer has survived 19 documented assassination attempts.
	It's not because he's talking to the Benevolent Space Brothers.
	These people have said, we tell things as we see them and as we know them.
	We are not interested in political speech, in diplomatic speech, and in flowery words because it only delays the truth and that makes things worse.
	We're giving you these warnings.
	You've asked for help from above in all of your unique ways.
	Here it is, but you have to help yourselves.
	We will tell you what we see.
	You can disregard it if you wish.
	You can work with it.
	You can change it, but we can't.
	So, they go on to say, In parts, others will join in because they will be forced somehow to do so, or will be misled by irresponsible promoters of American propaganda.
	Alright, well we're already at war with Islamic fundamentalism.
	No question about that.
	But what you're suggesting there is that it becomes a full-fledged war, essentially, with Islamic countries with Islam.
	Well, no.
	I had this document in my hands when I was in New York two years ago, in 2002, before the U.S.
	to beat down many small and great nations will lose their independence and cultural
	identity.
	They're actually saying we're going to extend this war.
	Now I had this document in my hands when I was in New York like two years ago, 2002,
	before the US had launched the attack I think even on Afghanistan, right before the, I mean
	here it was, they're talking about...
	Well I don't think any American right now would be shocked at the possibility of a wider
	war with islam and islamism islamic countries it's in the offing
	Of course, but here's where things are a little... Let me read some of this.
	This is where it takes other flavors.
	Finally, many Asian, African, and European states will rise up against the American hegemony Once they recognize that the USA is only taking advantage of them for purposes of war, conquest, and exploitation.
	Well, this is not politically correct, is it?
	In this way, many countries will become puppet states of America before reason and realization will emerge in the responsible ones of governments and in many of the population, resulting in a turning away from the USA.
	However, The Great War will hardly be avoidable, because the human beings of Earth will probably not accept the directions towards the better.
	They're with towards true love, freedom and peace, and striving instead only towards wealth and pleasures and riches, and for all manner of material values and vices and unrestricted power.
	Sounds a bit moralistic, but hey, I'm not going to overly comment.
	This is what they're talking about.
	Now, they go on here in this segment, and I'll get to where they talk about the World Trade Center and other stuff.
	But remembering now, this is from 1987.
	The first version of this was from 1980 or 81.
	Yes, that is well worth remembering as you listen to this, when the time frame that it came from.
	An awful lot has happened since.
	Well, you know, in the same document, as I say this is many pages long, in this document and in the original version where they didn't talk about the World Trade Center in this part, they've mentioned, for instance, they said In the future, there's a danger of India and Pakistan entering into a nuclear conflict with each other if they're misled into this action.
	Now, back in the 80s, they didn't even have nuclear weapons.
	But in October of 2003, we may all remember... Well, right now, though, Michael, the actions that I see that we have taken, I see as still self-defensive.
	We were attacked.
	We didn't run over and attack any Islamic country or any training camps.
	Just be well, we did hit a few of those in Afghanistan a long time ago.
	But I mean, more or less, we took no major act of war against the Islamic fundamentalists.
	They certainly did come after us.
	So let me address how they have been addressing that, if I may, okay?
	You may.
	Let me take a sip of water, because we're doing some industrial strength here.
	Okay.
	This is how they have expressed, to the best of my ability to express it right now, and again, people can actually read it all for themselves.
	What they have said is this, and they foretold this before the strike in Afghanistan.
	They said that to arbitrarily launch attacks that will go into countries and result in the deaths of lots of innocent people, And will ultimately, more than likely, not result in capturing the perpetrators, is terrorism in and of itself.
	Well, how are we supposed to deal with this?
	And here's what they said.
	You, in your world, need what is known as a true global combat-peace force.
	That means armed, trained military personnel... Who will beat the peace into people.
	No.
	No, I mean, it's...
	Well, what they're saying about it actually is that if this force is drawn equally from all peoples on the planet and operates under a true international legal structure, with a true international court, whereby there is no party and no nation that is immune from the laws and the enforcement of it, This International Armed Peacekeeping or Peace Combat Force is empowered to go and pursue any and all terrorists, dictators, revolutionary forces, warmongers, wherever they may be.
	Once they are identified, they are sent en masse to go get them.
	Now, they specify... Michael, some of the way they put it, The way it was said sounds like it comes right out of an Al-Qaeda pamphlet on why we hate America.
	Because America is going to come and do this to countries and do that to countries and seek out people and kill many innocent civilians.
	I mean, that could have come right out of an Al-Qaeda pamphlet, almost.
	This is where we go back to something about what is true and what isn't.
	Now, that may or may not be true.
	I'm not going to tell you this is true.
	We have to decide this for ourselves.
	I personally am not going to back away from saying... No, don't back away from anything.
	I'm just telling you what it sounds like.
	Okay, but here's the thing.
	Our enemies can also be right about things.
	That's the unpleasant thing.
	Just like we can be right about things about our enemies and they're not going to like it.
	We have, in my opinion, we've got an illusion that just because we are powerful and successful and strong
	and we most of us aspire to the good we champion it we can do no wrong or we would do no wrong.
	It almost sounds like America turns into a sudden Nazi Germany, a power you know laying down colonial
	lines for themselves all over the place and taking over the world.
	That's how they're making it sound.
	And there are those who have certainly published adequately to present that point of view, that it is something that our country, our military, our secret governments, whatever, have done.
	We've interfered in the affairs of countries everywhere.
	All right, all right.
	Hold it right there.
	We're at the break point.
	And shortly after we come back, I'm going to Turn this over to all of you.
	It seems to me like you might have a thing or two you want to say to Michael Horne.
	I mean, this is impressive and interesting.
	and very concerning.
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	You know, what Michael Horn is saying that came to Billy Meyer really does sound anti-American.
	It makes us sound like a bunch of Nazis, like we're going to go take over the world.
	However, I suppose, if you thought of it from the point of view of the people that we call terrorists, that would be the way they, exactly the way they probably look at it, right?
	So, I don't know.
	Interesting.
	The whole thing is very interesting and I want to give you, all of you, an opportunity to ask Michael questions.
	That's why we're at it a little bit early here.
	here. If you can stay right where you are, I'm sure there are going to be tough ones
	and they're coming up.
	Alright, once again, Michael Horne and...
	And again, Michael, as you know, this stuff does sound as though it comes from the PR group on the other side.
	Yes, and of course, as I said, I'm focusing on the stuff that pertains specifically to us.
	No, that's fine.
	Kevin in Richmond, Virginia, for example, says, after reading several of the documents on theyfly.com, It seems to me that Billy Meyer is an anti-American activist.
	Why doesn't he attack the Islamic States for being the homicidal maniacs that they are?
	Well, actually, he has written about that, and he's called them, you know, depraved and murderous, and the fanatics.
	Now, not all of Islam, because they've also distinguished... Well, of course, not all of Islam.
	Everybody knows that.
	Not right now.
	They talked about the fanatics, the people who... And he's criticized Yasser Arafat and the The Palestinians, the Israelis, the Iraqis, when the war in Yugoslavia was going on, they were calling all these people wannabe Rambos and insane people.
	I'm focusing on this stuff because this now is the information that appears and is here for us to either disregard if we don't like it, we can just ignore it, or we can find out if it's true and then what do we do about it?
	We're hearing about this for a reason.
	We're not here to entertain.
	This isn't an entertainment.
	No, no, I understand.
	I've got people waiting to talk.
	I'm going to get them on the air, but just let's be sure we've got all of this.
	There is something I'd like to cover first, because as long as we're getting into this unpleasant stuff, let's do it, and here it goes.
	In addition, apocalyptic natural catastrophes will occur, which will cause all of Europe to shake and tremble.
	But Europe will continue to exist even after having suffered enormous destruction.
	Far in the West it will be different.
	The US of A will be a country of total destruction.
	The cause for this will be manifold.
	With her global conflicts, which are continuously instigated by her, and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries, as a result America will experience enormous catastrophes, which will reach proportions barely imaginable to human beings of Earth.
	The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center by terrorists, will only be the beginning.
	1987, Art and listeners.
	Okay?
	Now, it goes on, but you want to come out swinging, come out swinging.
	This is what they wrote, and what they basically said is, in the simplest sense, If we want to avoid this befalling us, we pull out of Iraq and every place where we have troops stationed, we bring them home and we straighten out our own country, we defend ourselves from here if necessary, and a totally other state of mind for a lot of people who think we are entitled because we're Americans to be everywhere with 102 military bases all over the world.
	We're being told by somebody else who doesn't care a hoot about what we think about it.
	No, that's going to get your country destroyed because the rest of the world, in time, is coming against you.
	I have a question for you, Michael.
	You say all this with quite a passion, so much passion.
	That a person listening like myself might believe that these are your views as well as the views that you're relating.
	These are my fears.
	Well, are they also your views?
	I'll tell you what my views are, and they've been for some time.
	My views are that we have indeed interfered and continue to interfere in the business of other countries.
	I don't have this sense personally.
	I don't know that this is going to result in this, but to me On the level of the laws of cause and effect, the pendulum goes out and it comes back.
	It comes back the way it comes back, not the way I think it should, or the way I like it or don't like it.
	But you know, when somebody knocks down two of the biggest buildings in the biggest city in your country, why, you tend to react, and that's what we've done, is we've reacted.
	We've reacted, but what we're being told, People can argue with it, and I'm sure they do.
	We have to find out who is responsible.
	Now, the perpetrators, the original perpetrators, are all dead.
	Who was behind it?
	Can you identify those people?
	What the play on is saying is, yeah, you've got to get these people.
	Terrorism does have to be stopped, but it's a technique.
	It's a means of fighting that, in their point of view, we are simply pouring gasoline on embers and recruiting more people because of what becomes indiscriminate art.
	I think we all have to admit that we don't see the nightly news from Iraq.
	We don't see our soldiers coming home in coffins.
	We don't see the damage to them over there, to the Iraqis.
	We are now having a sanitized, controlled media.
	Maybe, just maybe, it isn't the way we're being told it is.
	And do we want to look at it?
	Do we want to find out if these...
	See, in terms of this case, this is the Meyer case we're looking at.
	Well, if you're saying, do we propagandize our own people?
	Yes, of course we do.
	Every country on earth does that to their own people and the world at large as much as they're able.
	Sure.
	So yeah, we do that.
	Yes.
	And what these people have said, remember I said there's a counterbalancing body of information.
	All of this doom and gloom and horror we're talking about here, they are saying there are operating principles for human development.
	You're not the only humans in this You're not the only ones at this stage.
	You're not the only ones who've gotten through it, or those who didn't get through it and have to start over.
	But if you do not grasp the right rules of conduct, you will have to start over.
	This is what they've said.
	If America does not withdraw from Iraq and these other things, and Britain, and they've blasted Blair and all that, they have said, we will lose two-thirds of our population on this planet As early as 2006, a third world war would break out from circumstances and events which will take on a life of their own and multiply and carry on, and they've outlined some of them.
	You know, is this just any crazy guy in Switzerland with doom and gloom, and let's just call him an anti-American jerk, and Michael Horne's talking about it with all his passion?
	I kind of care about not seeing this happen.
	So, I could be wrong by believing that this could be true, and by bringing it to people.
	But that's why I'm saying, will you people just do your own homework on this?
	If the case is legitimate, does it not at least bear examination?
	And have the media and the government and the politicians look at something that's been going on for 62 straight years.
	A man has dodged bullets and knives for 19 of those years because someone wants to put him out of their misery.
	That's a lot of trouble to go to for a hoaxer.
	How does a man raise a family of three people in a 30-year marriage which crumbles while he's planting his crops and all the rest of it, taking 1,200 clear daytime photographs, eight films, he's got a video, sound recordings and metal samples, he publishes prophetically accurate information.
	He must be a genius, a mad genius of a stellar level with astounding abilities.
	Or he's a real contactee.
	Well, that's why you're on the air, Michael, because this is all very interesting, disturbing, interesting.
	It's disturbing as hell!
	Yeah, it really is.
	Sure it is.
	For a lot of people, it's extremely disturbing.
	And that's why I'm saying, please, folks, there are other specific little chunked-down personal things that each of us can do to actually turn this.
	We can turn it just by sheer numbers.
	You know that when somebody writes a letter, for instance, or calls a radio or TV station or a newspaper, whatever, Just like when you do that with a political person, that registers in the media as representing a larger number than that individual thing.
	Imagine if the people tonight that are listening, they don't even have to believe this damn thing, but they want to demand that they find out.
	Look, this thing's going on, let's find out.
	Could this be at all true?
	Alright, I want to take some calls.
	Please.
	Field some questions.
	Let's do it.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	You're going to have to yell at us a little bit so you're not too loud.
	Okay.
	Michael, this is Vaughn speaking.
	How are you?
	Is that Vaughn?
	Yes, it is.
	Hi, Vaughn.
	How are you?
	Pretty good.
	Excellent.
	Now, you remember our talk at the Consciousness Expo where you told me that no matter whether or not we could duplicate the effect.
	Now, we never agreed on duplicating the photos exactly because we could never do that.
	Vaughn, without giving your last name, who are you?
	My name is Vaughn from the Center for Inquiry West.
	You're a skeptic group?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, okay.
	You could duplicate the effect you're saying, is that right Vaughn?
	The effect is what we discussed, but at that expo you told me, well it wouldn't make any difference whether or not we duplicated or not because you're still going to believe that Meyer actually had his experiences.
	No, that's not what I said.
	You've had three years, Vaughn, to duplicate one of these photos and the film segment that you said was hoaxed.
	Yes sir, and I said, go ahead and do it.
	You told me your photo lab was not set up yet, and I told you that Mr. Meyer didn't have the luxury of a photo lab, and in the three years period of time in which you had not produced one photo or one film segment, in that same period of time in the mid-70s, Meyer had produced 1,200 with multiple UFOs.
	And that these things have been examined by experts.
	Okay.
	And, go ahead, I don't want to take your time.
	No, I just wanted to point out that we did talk at the Consciousness Expo, and you made it clear that whether we duplicated it even exactly wouldn't have made any difference to you.
	No.
	And of course, that was good reason not to really pursue that.
	Well, Vaughn, no, it's not a good reason.
	Vaughn, if you could reproduce those, then why didn't you?
	Well, here's another issue.
	Well, actually, we have some up on our website right now that were done with a $3 throwaway camera.
	Absolutely.
	Let me make something clear about a photograph.
	Photographs are essentially a work of fiction.
	those were actually paper no the way you distinguish wanted to subject them to
	the same critical photo examination that my absolutely
	i'm going to make something clear about a photograph photographs are essentially a work of fiction
	in order to prove what's in a photograph you have to be able to
	have the uh... the item at hand you know when forensics uh... have you write it in hand
	The fiction here is that you will not subject those photos to microdensitometers.
	What's the densitometer going to prove?
	Nothing.
	Oh, I see.
	You're a photographic expert.
	Well, wait a minute now.
	Vaughn, hold on.
	Isn't it fair, Vaughn, to allow your photographs to be subjected to the same scrutiny that the Meyer photographs were?
	Well, that's fine.
	Why not?
	No, I have no problem with that.
	The problem is that that doesn't prove that the object in the And the photo is actually a UFO from another planet.
	Well, I don't know that we proved anything at the end of the day, but to allow the same kind of examination would seem fair.
	Okay, well, we have asked him to submit the Myers original negatives also.
	Yeah.
	So we can look at them, and I think that's fair, too.
	I think it's fair.
	So do I. It'd be great if I had them, but I've got something better, and I've repeatedly offered it to you.
	The sound recordings are physical evidence and you can download them Vaughn and go outside with a cassette machine and get 15 people around and record those sounds from a rotating device and have them put them through the same analysis that Myers were and give us the same results.
	You're going to give me more excuses which you have for three years.
	I'm not giving you excuses.
	I'm just telling you that we need him to submit the material.
	No, you don't need it sir.
	It was examined by experts whose credentials exceed yours.
	Well, why not?
	by light years while i'm not claim that this man is a fraud you have to feed him
	along with all these other michael can read
	pseudoscientist and you don't prove it would you please have yet to provide the
	metal to us i think i think that's available
	marcel vogel held thirty two patents at i'd be m his video analysis is available
	by my dvd and see it and if you think marcel vogel was hoaxing if you think michael
	malin was hoaxing in wally gentleman steve ambrose and and all the rest of these people and my credibility
	you need to understand that all those tests do not prove...
	All they're going to do is say, well, okay, the dead thermometer is going to tell you how much light actually went through the film, how dense the media is on the film.
	No, you'll get edge enhancement.
	You'll be able to find out.
	Well, edge enhancement we can do with Photoshop, and that's been done before.
	But it still does not prove that that This item in the photo is what it's claimed to be, because hoaxes of photos have been going on since the mid-18th century.
	This is the hubcap argument over and over, and if you will remember, what I also said to you, Vaughn, at the UFO conference was, listen, you go ahead and play with your photographs, but why don't you give me the prophetically accurate scientific information for ten years hence?
	Look, you guys have come up with nothing.
	The film that you said was easy to hoax.
	He simply scratched the negative with a pen.
	We duplicated the effect.
	That's what we agreed to do.
	You've claimed that you were entitled to win a million dollars because we couldn't prove that Billy Meyer's photos were a hoax.
	Sir, you people have claimed that he's a defamer.
	You've defamed him as a hoaxer, as a fraud.
	Well, I've never called him a hoaxer.
	Oh, I see.
	Now you haven't called him a hoaxer.
	I've got it from your people on your IIG department there.
	Look, so we don't bore everybody that wants to ask the questions.
	Go to the website and they will notice that your little UFO paper plate model is next to no trees or objects of known size as Myers' are.
	Yeah, why not?
	Let's let everybody go to the website.
	Where's the website, Vaughn?
	It's iigwest.org.
	Well, just one at a time.
	we can link to it from our cf i west dot o r g well just one of the time i'd g west i'd g west dot o r g
	iigwest?
	i'd g west dot o r g So everybody can take a look at the photographs.
	Vaughn, I do think it's a good idea for you to allow those photographs, however and whatever they are, to be examined in the same way the Meyer photographs were.
	Okay, but that works two ways.
	I agree with you.
	We don't have a problem with that.
	Vaughn, do you believe... Do you expect him to provide those negatives to us, too?
	Vaughn, did the bomb go off at Hiroshima even though you weren't there to verify it?
	You know, you don't have credentials that come anywhere near All of the experts who've done this.
	But if you want to focus on the physical evidence, step up to the plate.
	Have the report that matches the kind of examination.
	Duplicate the sounds and produce the film with the two light screens.
	You keep changing the goalposts.
	It's not changing the goalposts.
	You guys change the goalposts.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Listen, I'm going to terminate this.
	Vaughn, thank you.
	People can go to your website.
	I will too.
	IIGwest.org.
	All right?
	All right, Vaughn.
	Thank you and take care.
	And Vaughn is a skeptic.
	I think it is reasonable that he would submit these to the same kind of examination.
	Now, for you, Michael, what have you done in terms of trying to get your hands, I mean as the American representative for Mr. Meyer, on some negatives?
	Well, the original investigative team had whatever negatives We're available, but I thought I did something that was even better.
	What?
	What I helped to do, and I'm not responsible for the printing, is I put in the hands of thousands of people a book that had six or seven, and actually more, we could get into that later, specific predictions of things which hadn't occurred, which have subsequently occurred in that sequence.
	Right, but Michael, can you not take a trip to Switzerland?
	I mean, surely out of 1,200 photographs, There must be an awful lot of negatives bouncing around somewhere.
	I will tell you what remains.
	Maybe Billy's, you know, protecting them as I would imagine he would very carefully, but a negative or two wouldn't be too much to ask.
	I'll tell you the problem with it in my estimation.
	Please do.
	I think that when someone's going to say, well, this isn't good enough, and the folks at the Skeptics Organization are the ones who've raised the bar every time.
	Oh, they'll never be happy.
	They'll never be happy.
	But it doesn't matter.
	Why not go after some negatives anyway?
	Here's the real kicker.
	There still are metal samples available.
	Michael, I don't care whether it's better or not.
	As the American spokesperson, official, you should be able to go to Switzerland and say, Billy, part with a couple of negatives.
	You know, I can ask if they have them.
	Well, I'm sure you have.
	If you haven't, I wonder about you.
	I'll tell you, the truth in my perspective, the photographic evidence, the films and all that stuff, even though it's still irreproducible, it's not where I put the emphasis.
	Nevertheless, Michael... We'll get a negative and someone's going to... Look, the best I can say is that the better people than I saw them and they examined them.
	It's 30 years later.
	Does Meyers still have them?
	I don't know.
	I simply don't.
	That's not my area of expertise, finding their negatives.
	You're involved in a big controversy with our friend there.
	You might as well go ahead and try to get some negatives.
	They must exist.
	You know, I'll ask.
	I'm going to be there in May.
	I'll see if they have it.
	That makes the case true or not true for them.
	That's fine.
	I'm not here to prove it.
	Well, wait a minute now, Michael.
	It does make the case true or not true.
	If you got negatives and it turned out they were hoaxed, then you might as well take that whole story and just toss it out the window.
	Well, here's something I think we could even look at just for a moment as an interim step before I go to Switzerland and try and get negatives.
	There is a video that Meyer took in 1981.
	It is taken on a bright sunny day outside where he is approximately 300 feet from a tree on a hill with a 14-foot bizarre-looking metallic UFO hovering in front of it.
	All right.
	Now, hold that thought.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	We'll come back to the evidence, the negatives, and the quest for the negatives, which would perhaps be the Holy Grail, or maybe not.
	Maybe, as he says, it wouldn't matter.
	They'd get the negatives.
	They'd rip those apart too.
	I call them pixel people.
	I know.
	Can some people really find water?
	I don't know.
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	Well, either we killed another website or IIG West doesn't, uh, IIG West.org doesn't exist.
	Maybe we've done it wrong.
	We'll ask Michael about that in a bit.
	I had quite a few fast blasts saying, doesn't happen, it doesn't exist.
	And I just got a return of alert, uh, could not be found.
	So, is there even such a website?
	I don't know.
	in a moment we'll ask you know I understand to some degree how the rest of the
	world could view us as in the US as kind of colonial
	power of the colonial power and interfering type power
	And I, as you know, I had a lot of questions about the Iraq War and the advisability of it before we ever did it.
	Back during the days when we actually were debating it, I had many questions.
	I still I have many questions, and I do understand how some of the rest of the world could look at us.
	Nevertheless, as read by Michael, the message would appear to have come, I think I said, from an Al Qaeda-type pamphlet about the United States.
	It's just the way it reads.
	I do, however, understand the impression that some of the rest of the world may have about America.
	Michael, I understand that.
	I'm trying to find, I had an email with their entire unedited correspondency, to see their pictures.
	Do you want the link?
	I can tell it to you.
	Well, it's igwest.org, it doesn't seem to be anything.
	No, it's igwest.com, forward slash, and this is one word, ufopix, p-i-x, Hold on here.
	It's .com.
	He didn't tell us that.
	Forward slash UFO pics?
	P-I-X dot H-T-M-L.
	And then you can look at their photos right there.
	Okay.
	Well, he didn't have it right, did he?
	I don't know.
	It was late.
	Alright, I've got the photographs.
	I think there's some cute photos there, but you'll notice that none of them are next to... Well, look, let people decide for themselves about photos.
	But, you know, I wanted to get back to it because I know it sounds like I'm fudging something.
	I don't have access to negatives.
	Let me just posit something for a moment.
	If I came to you and I said, hey Art, I or someone I know has been out in the field and they're underneath a UFO and they're hearing these sounds and they're really fantastic, And you said to me, well, can you prove that?
	Can he prove it?
	I said, well, you know, the funny thing is he recorded the sounds.
	And he said, well, let's get those sounds tested.
	And I said, you know, we've got those sounds.
	We can test them.
	And then the tests are run at maybe two, three or more different laboratories.
	And the experts say, hey, this is the specs on these sounds.
	We can't generate them.
	And so someone calls up and says, well, I want those.
	Where's the original sound?
	I said, well, fortunately, We have them and they're free and I don't have to go to Switzerland for them.
	Yeah, I'm going to go to Switzerland and ask for negatives and if they've got them and if they give them to me, I'll come back and I'll say, fine, who's going to test them and we'll give them, you know, you go round two on it.
	But let's not dismiss the idea that genuine physical evidence exists right now and not only that, all of you folks out there with synthesizers and musicians and Sound engineers, go ahead yourselves and try to duplicate that.
	All right.
	Well, there's a challenge.
	What have they said regarding a deep impact by some kind of comet or asteroid?
	Is that the September date we were talking about?
	They did not give the date on it.
	They did give a location, as I recall, between the Black Sea and the North Sea.
	And what they said was that this is a prediction.
	We're going to get it at some point.
	And the problem, remember when we talked about the petroleum being Yes.
	And they said the other problem you have with that is this.
	The petroleum is produced by the planet as a kind of buffer, a synovial fluid, a cushion for the plates of the earth.
	When you recklessly and heedlessly extract it and the natural gas and you create these caverns, you create a plate fragility so that when an object comes in from space and hits, Instead of the planet absorbing the blow, you have fractures.
	You've got magma coming up.
	You've got seawater.
	So they're saying, you know, again, folks, you haven't paid attention.
	You've got to get off of that petroleum thing, but you've gone pretty far.
	You've set yourself up in a very vulnerable position.
	All right.
	All right.
	Back to the phones.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I didn't hit the button hard enough.
	Now you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve any of it.
	I've been listening to it since the show started.
	One thing, or a couple of things I'd like to make a comment on.
	First of all, I think you're 100% correct in that the rest of the world does see the United States as, I believe, anyway, if anything I hear from the news, that we're better than everybody else.
	And I can see how they would think that.
	But on a couple of notes, one thing I heard him talking about earlier is he's Uh, one set of photographs that were taken, he would go off into the woods or whatever and bring back these negatives to write to these people who were waiting for it.
	To do the test on it.
	Yes.
	Why didn't these people go with him in the woods to see it, along with these other 100 people that saw it?
	That's all right.
	Good point.
	Good question.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, why not?
	Why not have group sightings?
	Well, there were.
	You have to understand that by the time the investigative team was over there... But I mean, why let him wander off by himself?
	Well, part of it was the protocols that they set up.
	They said, sure, There are going to be other people that you can photograph the ships.
	As I say, there are 100 witnesses to the ships.
	But they said, look, our meetings are strictly going to be with you and with you alone.
	Too many cooks spoil the broth.
	But for instance, Guido Moosbrugger, who's the author of that book, the new edition, And Still They Fly, he took photos of their ships.
	Freddy, this guy who's a cook over there in Switzerland that I said was outside, he and 15 other people were sitting around snapping photos.
	Again, The UFO part of it has become, for the Europeans, old news.
	It's not old news to us, because we're still trying to prove it, and this is part of the plan, the controversy around it.
	And look, if you think I'm in a funny position, Billy Meyer, for all these years, people, even when they have this stuff showing up in these incredible photos, oh, it's a hoax, you're a faker, where they're shooting at him.
	The guys had a life of misery because of this.
	So anybody, look, if Meyer turns out to be a true prophet, if this stuff is true, and I think anybody that studies it is going to be able to validate it for themselves, you've got the clear message here, being a prophet is not on anybody's list of gigs.
	It's never been a good thing to be.
	Never.
	But you know, at best, Billy Meyer is a messenger, not a prophet.
	Call it what you like, it's fine.
	No, he's not a prophet.
	These are not insights according to your story.
	Let's delineate between what came from the Clarens and what... Well, let me focus it this way, and let me just jump back to one thing that I said and then I'll answer.
	There is a document that Meyer wrote, and there's a few conversations between him and the ETs, where they said, you know, people said this is coming off as anti-American and harsh.
	Yes.
	We'll clarify that we don't mean the American people.
	We mean their government.
	We don't withdraw from that.
	Their policies... Oh, fine.
	Okay.
	Everybody makes that disclaimer.
	That's fine.
	Oh, they did.
	Yeah.
	But let's... I still want to delineate here.
	Okay.
	The prophecies, the predictions, pardon me, in the book, And Yet They Fly, which will also be in And Still They Fly, that related to the attack on Iraq, the Islamic fundamentalists, the near-accident nuclear power plant, that was all written by Meyer.
	There is something called Contact 251, and there is more of that in the book that many of you already have, and the new edition's coming out, but you already have it.
	There's stuff in there about Mars, and what we're going to find there, the DNA experiments, the human and pig DNA experiments.
	When Maier wrote that, those hadn't happened yet.
	Okay, what supposedly has given Maier the power to prophesize, then, with regard to what he has said by himself?
	Is this a power imparted by the No.
	I will try to tell it as cleanly as I can, and I'll put it this way.
	Remember we went back to the reincarnation thing, and they said that they can track spirit forms.
	What is said in the material, just as boldface as far as their concern is their truth, Meyer's spirit is a very, very old and tested and tried spirit.
	They knew that he had done this before and had the capacity in this life to be tutored again.
	He would learn how to do it again.
	But it would be his own innate ability that he had earned as a spirit form, not as Billy Meyer, but whoever he was before that kind of stuff, that he was the guy that would be able to do it again.
	And as you say, it's always been a thankless job, and there have been people throughout history and different cultures that have been messengers or prophets or heralds, whatever you want to call them.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Michael Horne.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Oh, how are you?
	How's it going?
	It's going okay, sir.
	Well, Energy is our middle name.
	What's up?
	You got a question?
	Is it a Type 2?
	Is that fair, Michael?
	What does that mean?
	I'm sorry, I'm ignorant.
	energy here tonight. Well, energy is our middle name. What's up? You got a question? Yes,
	Art. Okay, now, you know, Bill is contacting you with this Type II civilization out in
	the Pleiades, correct? Is it a Type II? Is that fair, Michael? What does that mean? I'm
	sorry, I'm ignorant. Well, that's sort of a... it's something that... Fully human. Well,
	a cloud-blower is supposed to be able to utilize the energy of the entire Earth's atmosphere
	from the sunlight striking it over a course of one year.
	Type II is that you're utilizing all the energy out of the sun over the course of one year.
	This is a little... Pardon me, but it's a small definition.
	These are people... It's a Michio Kaku-ism about the advance of civilization.
	They are going... They're beyond this.
	They're beyond that.
	Alright.
	Caller, finish it off.
	Finish it off then.
	So he's saying yes.
	The answer is yes.
	Okay, now what I want to know is, if they have all this great technical and scientific and medical abilities, why didn't they just try to, like, regrow Billy's arm?
	They actually offered him a prosthesis that utilized their kind of android technology and he said well
	no this is an illogical thing to do
	because should I suddenly have an arm back that functions so well not only would people be wondering how
	this happened and where but they would engender
	jealousy and more resentment and it would be an inequality and I'd be treated as a special person and would
	only create more grief for me
	than not having the arm. That's what he told them and they said well that's
	you're very logical that's good enough for us.
	you know that is probably what would occur Yeah, there's no doubt.
	I mean, here's a special guy that goes around and he says he's in spaceships and now his arm is back.
	I mean, then you've got a cult of, oh, he must be, uh, you know, the second coming or gosh knows what.
	And then you're back off into that whole drama again.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Hello.
	Good morning to both of you.
	Good morning.
	Speak up good and loud, dear.
	Okay.
	Well, I just, I would like to know, What the publishing or the name of the publishing company that these books are published with?
	Which books?
	The books of the prophecies that were, he said something about 1978 or something?
	Okay, all of that, Wendell Stevens published the books through a company that I believe was called Genesis 3, with the Roman numeral 3.
	Genesis 3, as in the biblical Genesis term.
	She's asking if she can still get the book.
	You have to go on to eBay or Amazon.com or whatever.
	Some are still being sold.
	I own two of the four volumes.
	Many people have them.
	We have scanned into the DVD the pages on these things so that as close as many people will get to them.
	But they're owned by many people and some of them, yes, you can go in.
	If you look for Message from the Pleiades, and you do a search on it on Amazon or eBay or whatever, it
	will come up.
	Alright, there you are.
	No, no, because people can publish, I can publish my own book.
	And I can put whatever copyright dates in there that I wish.
	That's right, let me shorten that up and say this, my dear friend.
	When you publish a book in 1978 or 1980 or 1986...
	So, they are available... Yeah, they're out there.
	comes out it contains this information and then eight years later
	this information it is revealed as a new discovery and you're holding your
	hand document that came up before it
	that's called a legal standard of proof it is so go ahead and see if you can find those books ma'am
	and uh... good luck so they are available
	yeah they're out there uh... amazon and maybe
	That sort of thing.
	Yeah, do a Google search something.
	All right, all right, good enough.
	Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Horne.
	Hello.
	Yes, very grateful for voicing this.
	I'm a devout listener for five or six years.
	Christopher from Pueblo, Colorado, KJCK.
	Yes, sir.
	590.
	I want to thank you very much, Mr. Horne and Mr. Bell.
	As always, you're one of the few that's bringing out some real information here.
	I don't think the point is Whether the pictures are even valid or not, I'd rather get back to the real issue, which is the United States' stance on the rest of the world.
	I mean, the real issue is our reflection of how the rest of the world sees us.
	Yes, but for the purpose of this program, sir, the issue really is, is Billy Meyer the real thing?
	Sure, and Art, you have to take all of the evidence into consideration, the preponderance.
	If this is presented to a jury, here's the preponderance of evidence.
	What are you going to do with it?
	I mean, the hard evidence is the higher standard of proof.
	It's the prophetically accurate stuff published before it happens.
	Well, from what I've heard, I'm actually, I'm convinced that it's legitimate.
	The, you know, the prophecy, I mean, the parts that, you know, he had already said these things that have come about, I mean, we should take into account what he's saying is coming.
	We don't even need a That's what I'm trying to do.
	These things are pretty obvious to me anyhow.
	We're heading downward and we have to turn around here.
	We're just being told for what it's worth by some other folks that it's going to be
	worse than we can imagine if we don't make the course correction.
	I agree and it's a grassroots movement.
	It's something we have to do on an individual basis.
	That's what I'm trying to do.
	I've been trying to start a grassroots organization here called the Masterpiece Project for years
	and I can't even get it off the ground.
	Alright, well, if there's enough support for any organization or anything you're trying to do, it will grow.
	But again, the purpose of the examination of this program is not to put the United States on trial or anything else.
	It's just to present the information and try and decide if the whole Meyer story has substance to it.
	And it does seem like it does.
	I understand that what you said about the U.S.
	is going to put a lot of people off, but I'm not here to judge.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi.
	Hi.
	I had a question for your guest.
	He was talking about the Palestinian conflict there.
	I was wondering, what was the outcome prediction on that?
	You asked it, so I'm going to give it to you the way I've read it.
	Unless the Israelis and the Palestinians find a way to make a true peace, and they've been critical of both, they've been very critical of Israel, they have said that the State of Israel will in the near future cease to exist.
	Period.
	Do you think they reference what we know biblically as Armageddon?
	Well, they don't use those terms, and this is my editorial on it.
	You have to understand, I'm neither a religious nor a political person.
	It's very late in my life that I even started to look into these things.
	And what I did is I picked up, and this is going to offend all my brethren who, let's say, are of the background that my family is Jewish.
	I got into the first five books of the Old Testament.
	I read parts of Samuel and Numbers and What the heck, Joshua, and all this?
	And I saw something there that disturbed me enormously.
	I saw the presumed god of that book commanding infanticide and genocide on a huge, huge scale.
	When I sat down and actually culled and did the math, there were 10 million people, at minimum, who were commanded to be slain, most of whom were innocent Non-combatants, and this is not necessarily a program right now on biblical stuff.
	There is a cause and effect that has never been renounced by the Israelis.
	We in America renounced our genocides, if you will, against the Native Americans, our unfair and brutal treatment against blacks.
	We've tried to do something about that.
	That's never been dealt with or renounced and I would offer A very unpleasant point of view.
	The horror that's being visited upon innocent Israelis now, truly innocent people, children, without any... This is barbarism!
	But there again, the laws of cause and effect can't be cheated.
	Read the Old Testament and you will see the commandments for infanticide without mercy.
	I didn't make it up, and it sickened me, and it made me sad.
	And as I say, I come to this late in life with no political or religious Affiliation.
	But you know what?
	When the player in here is saying, look, Yasser Arafat, this is a walking disaster.
	Ariel Sharon is as guilty as the rest.
	Saddam Hussein has to go.
	George Bush.
	Blair.
	Oh, we don't like the Bush part.
	We may not like the Ariel Sharon part.
	But there it is.
	Do with it what you will.
	Examine it.
	Find out if this rings true and do the hard soul searching.
	Are we on the wrong path?
	Should we not withdraw from certain things, lest it come back on us?
	I don't know.
	It's worth considering, Michael.
	No question about that.
	All right.
	Hold tight right where you are.
	These are hard questions.
	A lot of them come down as sounding really anti-American.
	But every now and then, I suppose, as Americans, we should examine how we're thought of and perceived in the rest of the world.
	Right?
	That's a reasonable thing to do.
	What a wild night of radio, hmm?
	Under that big full moon up there?
	But then again, that's what we're here for.
	From the high desert in the middle of the night, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Another night, another day goes by.
	The day goes by, and then the star goes out to wander away.
	I never saw myself do one of us.
	You have to forget to play my role, you take that, you make myself unruly.
	You have me to forget to play my role.
	You take my self control.
	I, I live among the creatures of the night.
	I, I live among the creatures of the night.
	I haven't got the will to try and fight against the new tomorrow.
	I haven't got the will to try and fight against the new tomorrow.
	I guess I'll just believe it, tomorrow will never come.
	I'm staying late, I'm living in the forest of a dream.
	I know the night is not how people see me.
	I must believe in something, so I'll make myself believe it, this night will never go.
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	of the audience is like and all the rest of it. I kind of like the guy who told me to
	go to hell.
	This is black queen propaganda and I'm turning it off right now!
	I said, go to hell.
	And then he sent 15 more emails after that about every single word that was said.
	Oh well.
	Michael Horn is my guest, and we're talking about the Billy Meyer case, an extremely controversial, and as of tonight, perhaps with some of this information, even much now more controversial story.
	Whether you believe it or not, that's up to you.
	we are but the well michael you've made a very impassioned case uh... for
	billy meyer and so i feel like i should give you a chance to hawk
	your way out And your wares are a DVD, right?
	Yes, and the new book will be out.
	This is what I wanted to say to your listeners about that.
	There's two books coming out.
	One is a soft cover copy, and one is the hard cover, and still they fly.
	You're going to have to speak up.
	All of a sudden you got weak.
	What are you doing?
	Oops, there we go.
	Can you hear me now?
	Yes, much better.
	I don't know what you're doing, but... Okay, I think I fixed something.
	Good.
	My DVD is there on the website, and the two editions of the book, a softcover and a hardcover, on And Still They Fly, is scheduled to be released on March 12th, in a little less than a week.
	But I want to tell any and everybody who's going to order the book, please be patient.
	With printers, things are always late.
	So we'll ship everything.
	If you want to buy the stuff, we'll ship it as soon as it comes in.
	Just know that up front.
	I wanted to say one thing before that, if I may.
	This is a little hard for me in a way because, as I mentioned to you, I've never been a particularly political or religious person.
	My father's family escaped the Nazis from Austria and came to America.
	My mother, as an orphan at 10 years of age, escaped the Communists, went into Europe and then had to flee a few years later from the Nazis. So they came here, they
	made a family here and we're enormously grateful for coming here.
	And as a first-generation American, I'm enormously grateful for
	waking up as a human being in this country. It doesn't mean that everything
	that the country does or that's done in the country's name is good and good people can disagree and we do.
	I am presenting information that I feel in that sense it's awkward
	because I am a vocal spokesperson for this case.
	And because I have spent 25 years studying and examining and trying to
	see where the loopholes are and truly not finding them.
	Sure, there's controversy, but the accuracy of the information to this point has been so painfully and impeccably accurate.
	That I feel I owe it to myself, my family and to anybody here at the risk of being, you know, I think there's this guy J. Joe here thinks I'm an anti-American.
	Maybe he's the one that's writing you.
	I'm not.
	I'm anti-death and destruction for us.
	And if we find that something is wrong, we must examine.
	And if it's wrong, we have to change it.
	There are ways to do that.
	And at the very end of the show, if I may give a plug for that, I will.
	I want to thank anybody who wants to go.
	You can send me an email.
	You can yell at me, whatever you want.
	If you want the DVD or the books, they're at my theyfly.com website that Art is kind enough to link to.
	Look at this stuff for yourself.
	This is a four-hour introductory course to it.
	For many people, it's the first they've heard of it because you have the courage to put it on.
	If anybody is interested, they can find out for themselves.
	Is this just a big bag of nonsense?
	The biggest, most impenetrable hoax.
	Yeah, that's fair enough.
	If you're intrigued enough to want to know more, then that's the way.
	There it is.
	All right.
	International Line, you're on the air with Michael Horne.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	This is David from Toronto.
	Mr. Cropper in the FNET room.
	My question for you, guest, is if Billy encountered the aliens and was on the ship, why are there no pictures of the aliens or the interior of the UFO?
	There is.
	I'll listen on the air.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Okay.
	To the best of my... I have seen one photo that He's allegedly of the inside of a craft.
	I wouldn't put my money on it because it isn't clear enough for me to know that that's for sure.
	Why aren't there more?
	Well, what happened and what was told in there, and when you read the conversations, it goes down conversationally, Meyer had problems inside the ship because of some kind of fields that were fogging his film.
	He did take pictures, and they are on the website, some of them, from one of the ships, successfully, of two other disks above Switzerland Where he's in the air at about 30,000 feet or whatever it is, 10,000 feet, I don't know.
	And there's two other craft outside the window of the ship.
	He has pictures taken in space.
	But again, some of these, there's pictures where I can say, okay.
	Well, he could be inside the craft taking a picture of other craft hovering nearby.
	How come he couldn't photograph inside?
	Yes.
	The way they did it is they put the camera from, if I'm recalling this correctly, up to a screen.
	That was showing the outside and he got some clear shots.
	There may be, in Billy's possession, some photos of the interiors that he hasn't released.
	Maybe there are.
	You're about to go see Billy, right?
	I'm going to ask him, you know.
	I'll see what they've got.
	You know, if you talk to him... Make a list of things that you want to ask about.
	I mean, being the official American spokesperson is a very large responsibility.
	And he should understand that there are many, considering his story in this country, when you listen to a program like this and you need as much evidence as he's willing to give.
	As he's willing to give or can give.
	Yes, I mean you should make your case with that strength.
	You're coming, speaking for the... I will do it.
	I will put it forward.
	I think I know one of the answers because I've spoken to people there and what they've said is, look, to us, the UFOs It's not what it's about.
	It's about our future survival.
	Yes.
	If what exists already... Yes, but what you need to convince Billy of is that the American people aren't going to believe B until they believe A. And anything he can give you to confirm A will go a long way in promulgating the belief in B. Okay, Art, I think we still have two things.
	The video that pans 300 feet across You've got a lot, that's why you're here brother, on the air, because there's a lot of evidence.
	And the sounds, I mean, that's still, that's level one evidence, physical evidence.
	So, I'll carry the message, but you know, I'll do my best, that's all I can tell you.
	Alright, first time caller line, you're on the air with Michael Horn, hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hello, Mr. Horn?
	Yes ma'am.
	I'd like to ask you a question about the code, but before I do that, can I ask you about, in the volume one of the Contact from the Pleiades.
	All the pictures.
	There's something written here.
	A single second in the timeless amounts to many million years in normal space.
	And it's signed by Ptah, a Pleiadian cosmonaut.
	Right.
	And is that the same Ptah of the Egyptian days?
	No.
	That's been, of course, something many people have asked.
	And in the material, he alludes to something.
	that there was a distant connection of some form.
	It's just the name that he uses or perhaps it's his given name, but that's the best I
	can tell you on that.
	Are there any pictures of him and Sen Yassi?
	No, the pictures that Billy has, there are some photos that will be also again in the
	new book.
	They're cut off on the face.
	It is of one of the ETs when they loaned him a handheld laser beam weapon, and she is in a gold metallic suit with a silver bracelet connection to it.
	Now, when I just spoke to Wendell Stevens in Laughlin, who is the primary lead investigator in the case, and we talked about the photos, because Meyer was told to cut the faces away.
	They don't want people Well, Wendell went over there because Meyer had been loaned on two occasions in 1976 and 1977 a handheld laser weapon, ostensibly, there's photos of him with it, and he put holes in a couple of trees with it.
	Well, when they went to investigate, they figured if this guy's a hoaxer, what he's probably done is taken a welding torch or a drill or something and will be able to detect it.
	They found that around the holes, there was a little bit of char, but the holes were bored clean through and were smooth as glass.
	They had been penetrated instantaneously at an enormously high temperature.
	But beyond that, somebody had the brilliant idea, since one of these trees faced into a forest, they took a string and used it like a plumb line through the hole, and they dragged the string in a straight line through, and they found that every twig and branch that was in that straight line was singed as well by this beam.
	And they just said, you know, this would be an impossibility for somebody to have hoaxed this.
	Can I ask you a question about the Code now?
	I'm sorry.
	Sure, go ahead.
	Well, I have a 33-page booklet, Life in the Spiritual and Physical, by Billy Meyer.
	Yes.
	And he mentions, interwoven into all of Billy's German text is the Code.
	The Code elicits impulses from the spiritual realm, the Akashic Records, which then touch the reader.
	and begin to become active from within.
	This process is subconscious.
	Further down, it mentions about the English language and foreign languages.
	For these reasons, each translation of Billy's text into a foreign language will have the original German attached.
	Does that still work in English?
	No.
	What they've said, and again, let me just put this for everybody who's listening.
	Under the term, this is speculative.
	I'm not saying it's so.
	What they've said is this.
	The German language is in some ways related to the ancient Lyrian language of the distant forefathers of the Pleiarens, our distant forefathers.
	The German language is constructed in such a way that it can convey these impulses when read, even if you don't understand the language.
	When you read it or pronounce it, there's a connection to what's called the Akashic Record surrounding the planet that has a subconscious effect and actually helps with our spiritual development.
	Take that for what it's worth, if you want to look into it more.
	Sounds almost like you're talking about the Bible Code.
	Yeah, except this stuff was published decades before that.
	Yeah, except same concept, right?
	In a sense, yeah.
	For all intents and purposes, where we're at right now.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	My name is Junia.
	I'm calling from Tulsa.
	I listen on the 1170 KFAQ.
	Yes, ma'am.
	And I think this is one of the most important programs you've ever had.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	It's a good one.
	I had a question about, has Mr. Meyer written several books?
	He's written, just to clarify, the books that are available on the website were written by a man who uh... has known myra for twenty five years came to
	investigate a bit and skeptic and austrian
	principal and school teacher myer himself has written
	many numbers of books most of which remain in german language however some
	have been translated into english summer in the process
	of being translated many of the conversations
	are being also uh... again translated into english so people can read them
	in the approved forms so more will be available
	There are literally, there's over 10,000 pages of documents that Meyer himself has written that have yet to be translated into English.
	The Pleyarin have said that this is an 800-year mission.
	We're not changing the world overnight.
	We're going to have controversy and all the rest.
	This is going to, if indeed what they're saying is true, develop over eight centuries.
	And what they say is the end result for us, if we get through all these times, Don't blow ourselves to smithereens.
	We will become what they call true human beings, long-lived, with multi-hundred year lifespans, more spiritually evolved.
	There's a lot of promise in this.
	On the website, there's something that's called, Here's How to Help Change Things Now, on my document page.
	You can go and read that.
	There's a document from the Playarin as well, 21 Points, or it's called, What the Playarin Wish for the People of Earth.
	We have all this other positive stuff here, just asking people to look at it.
	So don't view this as doom and gloom, but sometimes what the clarinet said is this, you have to wake people up with harsh and true language, flowery nice words.
	Don't do it.
	If something is true and people need to at least have the opportunity to know it, tell it to them.
	Yeah, I never could buy into the Space Brothers.
	It's a bunch of bunk.
	Yeah.
	I have no Ascension coming, folks, where there's no Ascended Masters.
	I mean, if you get into the biomaterial and look at this, it's going to upset your belief systems every which way.
	All right, ma'am.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Yes.
	You're going to have to yell at us.
	You're not too loud.
	Can you hear me now?
	That's better.
	All right.
	My name is Colin of Kansas City.
	KCMO 710 is how I'm connected.
	Michael, what I want to know is at what The point is, the point of no return.
	What is the course of events that have to take place?
	That's a very good question.
	Yes it is.
	Hi to Mike Murphy over there too.
	What I've been able to gather is they have said, you must, the US has to reverse its, it has to pull out of Iraq and cease to inflict on other countries.
	That's number one.
	He was searching for a time frame.
	They are saying that if we don't change it now, and they have said, if you return Bush to office and you don't pull out of Iraq by 2006, The probability of a third world war that takes two-thirds of humanity out, makes the northern hemisphere uninhabitable for decades, if not centuries, that's what you get if you don't change it.
	You may not like it, call the guy an American, call me an American, anything else, that's what they're saying.
	There's even a peace meditation.
	They say there are 3.2 billion people, extraterrestrial humans, that do it on our behalf.
	With several thousand people around the globe, you can check into it.
	The peace symbol itself that we use is an inverted symbol, as far as they're concerned.
	Out of curiosity, I wonder if the Pleians would rather have had Saddam Hussein remain in office?
	No, here's the thing, as I understand.
	Let me finish the thought on the peace symbol and the peace meditation.
	We need to invert the peace symbol so it doesn't have the militant sword-like energy, but is more like a tree, an opening thing.
	We have that on the website.
	You can look at that.
	But regarding Saddam Hussein, He was one of the people that was pointed out that had to be removed, that had to be taken from power.
	What they've said is, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
	And we might love the fact that we took him out of power, but they told Meyer a year ago, What is coming for America and Britain is increased attacks and very vicious attacks on the forces that will be seen as occupied.
	They told us before it started, and they said the greater likelihood is that there will be a Shiite dictatorship will come into Iraq because you have done this in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons.
	And they are also, I mean, look, there's plenty of harsh stuff here.
	If you have callers that have questions, believe me, I'll do my best.
	But people got to look into this for themselves, like it or hate it.
	There it is.
	One more, maybe.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Michael Horn.
	Well, hi, John.
	I have two points for Mr. Horn to comment on.
	Sure.
	I'm Blair from Sedona.
	The first I have to do, there's a federation of sorts overseeing us, Michael.
	Art Bell had David Serita on back in 2001 talking about these huge balls of ice allegedly propelled from space, missing Earth satellites while replenishing the ozone.
	And the second, and I'll hear it off the air, Whitley Strieber and John Lear both agree about us being soul containers, whereby, you know, we're sort of like the best show in town in this part of the universe.
	We've got a lot of people watching us, a lot of entities, and if we use our inner work and sincere prayer, we're going to open up a sort of astronomical acupuncture line, healing sound and light.
	I wonder if the plans actually regard us that way.
	All right.
	I'll comment as best I can.
	Again, I might be an authorized representative.
	I don't know every opinion on everything.
	But what I gather is this.
	I don't have a direct comment on the balls of ice being thrown to play.
	I don't have said it's going to take several hundred years for the ozone to heal if we stopped polluting now.
	And that was in 75.
	As far as being sold containers, whatever.
	As I stated earlier, my understanding of the material is this.
	We are in a state that we, like all other of the millions of existing human races at various levels of development in this universe, which is only one of billions, have a part piece, a hologram of the creation.
	That is what they call the living conscious creative energy that created all things, sustains all things, and will live and birth yet new universes I'm giving it to you in a nutshell.
	That little piece of that is our human spirit.
	We are destined, over time, since we are not fallen, we are not inherently guilty of anything, we are not sinful by nature, we have the potential for positive and negative through countless millions of incarnations that human spirit form incarnates in different human beings.
	That's us.
	And we eventually re-merge with the higher spiritual levels.
	This is information contemplated All right, Michael, we're at the end of the program.
	Listen, I want to thank you for being here.
	You're very, very, very passionate.
	You've been a very good guest.
	You really stirred it up good, buddy.
	I hope I haven't been too hard on you, but fantastic claims sometimes do require a fantastic interview, and you certainly have provided that.
	So I want to thank you for being here.
	No doubt we will do it again.
	There is so much material to cover, so much to do.
	Thank you, Michael.
	It's my pleasure.
	Thank you.
	If we can ever answer questions for people.
	Good night.
	And it's been a great weekend, folks.
	Absolutely been a great weekend.
	I want to thank you.
	We return you tomorrow night to George and Coast to Coast AM.
	And I'll see you next weekend from the high desert.
	This is Crystal Gale with always just the right words to take us out.
	Midnight in the desert.
	Shooting stars across the sky.
	This magical journey will take us on a ride Filled with the longing, searching for the truth Will we make it to tomorrow?
	Will the sun shine on you?
	Midnight in the desert, and we're listening

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