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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's California zones covered for bringing all of them.
		This is Coast Coast AM, best radio program of its kind on the air anywhere.
		You doing it the weekend again, everybody, and I'm Mark Bell with the weekend version of Coast.
		Now, there's some pretty cool stuff going on.
		I don't know how many of you are free Streamlink subscribers, but if you're not, stay tuned.
		I'll tell you all about it.
		Normally, Streamlink costs money, but this weekend, you know, like HBO and Showtime, they give you a free weekend every now and then.
		We're doing that.
		So it's free.
		But if you want to go up to Streamlink and start listening right now, you can do it free of charge.
		It's all on the website.
		That's one.
		Two is, and I think this is particularly cool, the Streamlink people have decided to allow you all to burn MPEG-3s of the last 30 days of shows.
		That's in addition to accessing the regular 90-day streaming archive.
		And I think that is really excellent.
		So this weekend, Friday, March 12th through Sunday, March 14th, you can listen on Streamlink free of charge.
		Whole-free weekend, just like Itch We Own Showtime and all the rest of them do every now and then we're doing it.
		And I think that's a grand idea.
		And I think being able to burn Dampeg 3 is really cool.
		Really, really cool.
		That means you can make a CD or whatever you want to do.
		So all of that available up on the website at CoastCoastAM.com right now.
		Now let's see.
		A couple of off-the-bat things.
		I've got a really good, a really, really good photograph of our crazy cat Yeti.
		He's the fourth one we acquired.
		We have four cats in this household and have had for a long time.
		Yeti is a special cat.
		He came bounding in from out of nowhere in the desert.
		We have a garden, and in our garden we grow catnip with everything else.
		So if there wasn't enough of a neon sign flashing above this house now saying, all cats, yoho, here it is, free ride, whatever, is it brings him the catnip growing out there, probably.
		Anyway, he came bounding into the catnip one afternoon, just doing flip-flops, so happy to see us, looking like a show cat.
		I mean, this is, I've got to admit, this is a beautiful, beautiful cat.
		And by the way, he knows it.
		He sits in the mirror and looks at himself and thinks, whoa, tiger.
		I'm sure you've seen that photograph, right?
		But he does think a lot of himself, and he is beautiful.
		And I caught him sitting on the scales, you know, where you weigh yourself in the kitchen.
		And he just sat there waiting for me to take his photograph.
		He wanted me to take his photograph.
		And if you look at this, you'll see he's one beautiful cat.
		He has a mane like a tiger.
		He is just beautiful.
		And he loves me.
		He follows me like a little dog everywhere.
		So that's Yeti on the webcam tonight.
		Very proud of that cat.
		Antenna update, it's all done, working incredibly beyond almost in a supernatural way, actually.
		We're going to get a helicopter and bring a helicopter out here probably later this week and go and take readings around the antenna.
		This is going to be really cool, really instructive.
		I'm going to end up putting up a website about this antenna, probably theoldartbell.com, which I have retained.
		Anyway, it's going to go up about the antenna.
		Not for a while yet, so don't bother trying to hit anything is not there yet.
		It goes nowhere right now.
		Now, weird news of the world.
		In a videotaped message, a man purporting to represent Al-Qaeda claims the terrorist network was behind the bombings.
		It killed 200, wounded, 1,500 in Madrid.
		They're calling the Spanish 9-11.
		And now, they sent a tape.
		There's been an arrest of three Moroccan and two Indian suspects.
		And this, of course, is the strongest indication yet of an al-Qaeda link to the whole thing.
		You know, we're going to have to kill these people pretty quickly, too.
		I mean, there's just nothing else.
		We're going to have to kill them.
	The world's nations are going to have to kill them.
	They cannot blow up buildings.
	They cannot kill people en masse in Spain or anywhere else in the world.
	They have to be killed.
	And so I'm sure we're on that as hard as we can be right now.
	But there's nothing else to it.
	They want to kill us.
	We must kill them first.
	A man, boy, well, here's a story.
	A man suspected of murdering nine of his family members apparently was involved in polygamy and in zest, fathering two of the victims with his own daughters, police said Saturday.
	The bodies of six females and three males, ages one to twenty-four, were found tangled in the back room of Marcus Weson's home Friday.
	It is Fresno's largest mass slaying.
	It's a head shaker.
	It's too awful.
	Just too awful.
	The hunt for Osama bin Laden is ratcheting up.
	We've got thousands of troops on the move looking for him in this eastern Afghanistan lawless kind of area, and that's got to be one hell of a hunt.
	John Kerry locked up the nomination, So he's going to be the man facing George Bush, and the campaign seems to be in full swing.
unidentified		I'm sure you've noticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody was waiting for the news on the DARPA challenge.
		Well, the DARPA challenge was to make a vehicle that could navigate itself across the desert, you know, recognize obstacles, figure out ways to do for itself, and it didn't go very well.
		We may not be seeing any robot drivers' licenses issued anytime soon.
		All 15 self-navigating vehicles in a 150-mile race across the Mojave Desert were knocked out within just a few miles of the starting gate.
		Kaboom.
		So nobody gets the prize, and it's back to the drawing board for those who want the million.
		In a moment, we'll leave this weird news and get to the really weird news.
		Stay right there.
		Those of you that have something you would like to get on the air, it would be well to be dialing now since we will do some open lines this hour.
		And then, oh, by the way, next hour, Benjamin Baruch.
		Benjamin Baruch.
		Now, this is an interesting guy.
		He maybe I shouldn't go into it.
		But it has to do with religion because God spoke to this man, but he's really a market player, you know, stock market player.
		This is going to be an interesting interview.
		I really do think it is.
		That's coming up next hour.
		Now, Monday, I'm hearing some rumors on the web that Monday there is going to be a NASA briefing given.
		I guess some Dr. Brown, an associate professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology, is going to give some sort of briefing regarding some kind of object that he's found out there.
		All very mysterious, but that news will be breaking on Monday, and I'm sort of curious.
		What do you think he's going to Planet X, maybe?
		No, that'd be bigger than this, right?
		So some sort of asteroid that might be on a collision course with us?
		Maybe.
		Some new planetary body that he's found?
		Probably.
		We'll see.
		All right.
		The whole thing about the climate continues to swirl.
		Sorry for that.
		Scientists gagged by number 10, meaning Downing Street.
		After warning of global warming threat, Downing Street tried to muzzle the government's top scientific advisor.
		Muzzle him.
		After he warned that global warming was a more serious threat than international terrorism, Ivan Rogers, Mr. Blair's principal private secretary, told Sir David King, who would be none other than the Prime Minister's chief scientist, to limit his contact with the media after he made some outspoken comments about President George Bush's policy on climate change.
		They told him to shut up.
		In England, you can do that.
		In January, Sir David wrote a scathing article in the American journal Science attacking Washington for failing to take climate change seriously.
		In my view, he says climate change is the most severe problem we are facing today, more serious than even the threat of terrorism.
		Here's another one.
		Let's see.
		This one, this news and city section of Watt, the Evening Standard Political Report.
		The government's chief scientist today set out an apocalyptic vision of global warming, bringing back the conditions which drove the dinosaurs to extinction.
		Professor Sir David King told a House of Lords committee that urgent action was needed, quote, within the next few years, end quote, to avert the threat of sudden and severe climate change.
		So they're thinking we can avert sudden and severe climate change.
		That's interesting.
		He claimed that last summer's heat wave was man-made, man-made event, warned things are going to get worse.
		He defied Downing Street by repeating his charge that global warming is a bigger threat than terrorism and that Washington is failing to tackle the problem.
		This is really turning into a serious story, beginning to come at us from just about every direction out there.
		Pretty interesting, huh?
		There's a story.
		You know, I don't know about these, and I don't know about Pravda.
		Pravda, of course, is the most famous Russian newspaper publication in the world.
		So the following story is coming to you from Pravda.
		A little of the English is perhaps not quite right, but it's straight from Pravda.
		The headline is, time has been one of the most complicated and less studied scientific issues since ancient times.
		Now, I can't guarantee that what I'm about to read you really happened, but it's in Pravda.
		Here it is.
		Eight years ago, American and British scientists who conducted investigations in Antarctica made a sensational discovery.
		U.S. physicist Marion McLean told the researchers, were told they noticed some spinning gray fog.
		Listen to me now, spinning gray fog over the pole on January 27th, which they believed to be just ordinary sandstorm of some sort.
		However, the gray fog did not change its form, did not move in the course of time.
		The researchers decided to investigate the phenomena, and they launched a weather balloon with equipment capable of registering, you know, wind speed, temperature, air moisture content.
		But the weather balloon soared upwards and immediately disappeared.
		In a little while, In a little while, the researchers brought the weather balloon back to the ground with the help of a rope attached to it previously.
	They were extremely surprised to see that the chronometer set in the weather balloon displayed the date January 27, 1965, the same day, only 30 years ago.
	The experiment was repeated several times after the researchers found out the equipment was in good repair, so they went back and repeated this experiment, it says.
	The phenomena, they called it, a time gate.
	They claim they reported the whole thing to Washington.
	Today, investigation of the unusual phenomena is underway.
	It is supposed that what they're calling the whirl crater above the South Pole is a tunnel allowing penetration into other times.
	This is pretty wild stuff.
	I know what is more, programs on launching people to other times have been started.
	The CIA and FBI are fighting in trying to gain control over the project that may change the course of history.
	It is not clear when the U.S. federal authorities will approve the experiment.
	Go look for this yourself.
	If you want to confirm it, you can get to Pravda on the web.
	And the name of the article is Time Can Be Turned Back, 3-1-2004, published 3-1-2004.
	And I know a lot of you are going to want to go and look for this.
	It is so intriguing.
	The whole concept of time, the concept of time travel, the whole thing is a mind-blower for me.
	I've always been totally fascinated by it.
	And here is an article claiming there's this gray whirling mass straight at the South Pole that turns watches back and may even allow travel in time and straight at the South Pole.
unidentified		Now, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's a joke.
		It might be.
		But I pulled it from Pravda, so go find the article yourself and see what you think of it.
		I was sort of blown away, say the least.
		All right, so that we have time to get to calls, which I definitely want to get to, let's plunge in.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Azizar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I had a question concerning dimensions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dimensions, all right?
unidentified		Sure.
		I've always wondered, I've heard like higher beings or higher dimensions, like fourth dimension, five dimensions.
		And I've always wondered, has there ever been any research into two dimensions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two dimensions.
		Well, two dimensions is like you see on TV.
		In other words, in two dimensions, there is no depth.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		The third dimension adds the depth.
		So has there ever been research into two dimensions?
		Yes.
		Nightly on your television, sir.
		That's about it.
		I think there's not too much magical, and you can serve that one up any way you want about the second dimension.
		Yeah, I could be wrong, but the only research I'm aware of is that applied to the one-eyed monster and, well, movie theaters and other aspects of life, photographs, that sort of thing.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Ed down in Los Angeles, sitting on TFI, 6.40 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, that means TFI.
		A couple of things.
		First, have you ever had anybody talking about gousing?
		And has anybody ever flown an Oilothopter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flown a what?
unidentified		Oil Thopter.
unidentified		That flying machine that flies by flapping its wings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen attempts of that on video, but they always crashed real fast.
		I've had dreams where I did real well, and I was able to flap my wings and fly.
		That's about it, though.
		With respect to your first question, sir, I know a fair amount about dowsing.
		My wife is a dowser.
		I've watched her find water again and again.
		She can do it.
		And here's a very brief little story for you.
		We were going to buy a house in an area where I'm now thankful we didn't here in the Prump Valley.
		It was up on way up on a hill.
		You know, a place a ham radio operator would choose, right?
		Up on a hill.
		And it was pretty rocky.
		And so before, when we were sort of thinking about buying property, Ramona took a couple of coat hangers, turned them into a dowsing setup, and went down into the very far, far corner of the property, an unlikely place, I thought, and said, here, here's water.
		Well, that property went undeveloped for several years.
		And it's funny, once it was finally developed, this is pretty interesting.
		They put a house on it, they drilled one well, and it was dry.
		Then they pulled the rig up and moved the rig to a second point where Ramona had indicated they should, and there was the water.
		So, you know, does dowsing work?
		I think it does.
		How does it work?
		I don't have the slightest idea.
		First time, Color Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Mark from Garden City, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, Mark?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You just blew my mind about that time thing, but this is on another thing, your antenna?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		There's a guy named James Harris Rogers that had some patents on antennas, mostly underground ones, but he might have had some above-ground ones.
unidentified		So if you're wondering about your voltage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That was pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think there might be something in those patents with regard to the voltage on the antenna?
unidentified		It could be.
unidentified		A lot of Tesla stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, You know, and you're hesitant to say this kind of thing, but I think that that's exactly where this leads.
		All roads, when you're talking about the phenomena I seem to be repeatedly able to demonstrate here, sometimes, shockingly so to myself and others.
		Yeah, all roads lead to Tesla and the kind of work Tesla was doing and the claims, maybe the claims Tesla made weren't so crazy.
		Maybe there is a transformer effect that allows the gathering of energy from the difference in potential between the atmosphere and the Earth, whatever it is.
		Or it may be something else entirely.
		I mean, we're kind of jumping to conclusions here a little bit, aren't we?
		But again, all roads, when you're talking about this, really do seem to lead toward the incredible Mr. Tesla.
		So there's going to be a whole lot more experimentation that is about to go on, and we're going to know more about all of this soon.
		But it is really cool stuff.
		I mean, there's no question about it.
		Coming out of apparently nowhere, there's about 300 volts of electricity on that antenna.
		Not a great deal of current, but enough to be doing a lot of little chores if I wanted to convert it and put it to work.
		And of course, if you understood the principle that put the power there in the first place, you might be able to actually put something up to actually go after the power, as I'm sure Mr. Tesla was contemplating, or even transmitting the power.
		I mean, you just never know.
		But oh, lordy, it sure is fun to experiment.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, which is just where we belong, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are really serious drums, aren't they?
		How you doing, everybody?
		It's the weekend.
		It's a Saturday night.
		We're in open lines.
		We've got a fascinating guest coming up in the second hour.
		Now, remain where you are.
unidentified		Now, remain where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us see what awaits on this Saturday night, shall we?
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good evening.
		Morning, whatever.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Patricia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's some name.
unidentified		It's an Italian version of Patricia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, anyway, welcome to the program.
		And where are you, pray tell?
unidentified		I'm living in Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I was just wondering if there was going to be a movie about the coming global superstorm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were, huh?
		Well, it just so happens that there is this movie coming out called The Day After Tomorrow.
		Okay.
		Which was done by the same good people that did Independence Day.
		And yes, it is based in part on our book, The Coming Global Superstorm.
		That would be myself and Whitley.
		May 28th.
unidentified		May 28th is when it comes out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We're all very anxious.
		We're dying to see what they have done with it.
unidentified		So you haven't gotten a sneak preview?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		No, I haven't seen it any more than anybody else has, which amounts to a trailer, but oh, what a trailer it is.
		Have you seen it?
unidentified		Actually, I have.
unidentified		I cannot tell a lie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty cool, huh?
unidentified		Oh, it looks really neat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The hair on the back of your neck goes straight up when you see that, doesn't it?
unidentified		I think I was just sitting there in the theater with my mouth open going, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, May 28th.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, thanks for taking my call, and we love your show.
		It's so good to hear your voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my dear.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Oh, by the way, on my cat, somebody writes to me, Sandy from Las Vegas writes, hey, Art, I'm quite sure Yeti is a Maine Coon Cat.
		And yes, that's what Ramona says, too.
		She's got a cat book.
		And she looked it up.
		And Maine Coon Cat is what he appears to be.
		He's got a tiger.
		You know, he's got a mane, and he looks a lot like a tiger.
		And they're related, really.
		He is one cool cat.
		And I'm telling you that he came bounding into our yard out of nowhere like he was released from the sky, not a speck of dirt or hair out of place, looking like a show cat when we got him.
		Skinny, yes, but a show cat.
		Perfect, you know, hair just perfect and all that.
		And he came bounding in and started doing twirls in the air.
		He was so happy to see us.
		He started doing twirls in the air out by the catnip.
		Now, that may have been an effect for, I don't know.
		Anyway, he was happy, and he's been here ever since.
		Very happy to be here.
		Quite an amazing cat.
		So, webcam photo.
		Hi there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Daniel Sheehan, the attorney that I guess with Karen Silkwood, Iran-Contra, and founder of the Christic Institute, spoke at the UFO Congress in Laughlin on February 14th, and he referred to a PBS Nova show on, I think it was February 11th, talking about the changing position of the poles of the planet, the Earth's magnetic field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they did one hell of a special on the field, yes.
unidentified		Well, I didn't see it, so I'm going to ask you the questions about this.
		Daniel said something about from two poles, north and south, he said there'll be eight moving vortices.
		Is that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure if that's right.
		I know the pole is always in motion.
		In fact, right now, I think the North Pole may be somewhere in maybe in the Yukon or B.C. or, you know, it's really drifted.
		I mean, it's amazing what's going on.
unidentified		Well, you mentioned also about that could be part of the thing about the apocalypse scenarios where possibly two-thirds of humanity could be lost because of this new energy that will be coming down that people won't be ready for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could produce very rapid climate changes or geologic changes.
		The Earth could rumble.
		Who the heck knows what would happen if the poles reverse?
		But it's quite a scenario.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Well, I guess it's just, again, comes to a critical mass of some people getting their energy level up, and maybe we can keep, you said maybe 15 million at least, but at some point it's going to be good because it's galactic cosmic energy coming into eight different points of the Earth, bathing the Earth, instead of just the North and South Pole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to get an interesting point of view?
		Let me share mine with you.
		I think it's interesting anyway.
		As you know, you know, we've done a lot of experiments with this collective consciousness thing, and there is a big power there, a really big power.
		And it may be that if we the world, if we, the world, get notice of a coming apocalypse and we have time to consider it in any way before it happens to us,
		I think that the power perhaps of collective consciousness, if applied uniformly or nearly uniformly, could have some perhaps effect on the outcome.
		And that may be the only power in the entire world capable of affecting that outcome.
		And that's a weird little belief that I've come to.
		So that shows you how I do believe in that power.
		and others, if you wish, you know, feel free to call it the power of prayer, whatever.
		But I actually think that it could have an effect if it were orchestrated properly and worldwide on the outcome of some potential cataclysm.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Hi, Ar.
unidentified		I'm doing a report for science class on whether or not to store nuclear waste near Yucca Mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are?
unidentified		Yeah, and since you live near there, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are my thoughts on the topic?
		Yes.
		They're going to be storing that nuclear waste just over the hill, as it were, from where I'm located.
		They're not due to really get started for a long time yet, you know, years, maybe a decade, really.
		But hmm.
		Well, I'd rather it wasn't there.
		Why?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess for the same reason that you would be uncomfortable if your dad told you you were storing 100 cases of dynamite in your basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how would you sleep at night after that?
unidentified		Well, but if they don't store it there, where do you think they should store it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the slightest idea, and neither does our government.
unidentified		Okay, well, it has to be stored somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from upstate New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Upstate New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you volunteering the upstate New York area as an area where it could be stored?
unidentified		I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then maybe you really are the it's okay to have like a hundred crates of dynamite down in the basement.
unidentified		Sure.
		I mean, if it leaked, it would kill a lot of people, and it has to be stored somewhere.
		And I wouldn't mind dying because of it.
		I'm going to die sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd die for nuclear waste, huh?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		I mean, for all I know, I could be killed in a car accident tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that, I suppose.
		All right.
		All right.
		Good enough.
		Thank you, and take care.
		Let's see, who wrote this?
		This is pretty interesting.
		Sid in Ridgecrest, California.
		I have a report from the U.S. government claim, Sid, that they already sent people through the time travel fog tunnel at the South Pole.
		It spits you out on the New Jersey Turnpike.
		Further studies have shown.
		Well, I can't read the rest of this.
		Sid.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Heyard, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Okay, I've got a couple of things I'm going to try to weave together here so that they make sense on dowsing.
unidentified		I'm not a dowser, but I know a lot of dowsers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe it works?
unidentified		I've seen it work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So I'm a show me kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I've seen it work, and sort of intuitively, I had a hunch that it had something to do with electricity, magnetism, and gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
unidentified		And I was in communication with a crop circle researcher named Paul Vigay.
		And I sort of started drawing these parallels, and I put it out to Paul and asked him if there was any evidence of water tables underneath some of the crop circles.
		And he said yes.
		And I said, okay, well, in that case, is there any evidence anywhere that that could be reduced to a frequency equation and that possibly you could come up with some sort of musical equivalent?
		And he said, I don't know.
		Let me look into it.
		And the last I heard, in fact, that's what they were doing.
		They were pulling musical frequencies out of these cloud circle formations that were located over water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything has a vibratory rate.
		That's certainly true.
		But the thing about dowsing that I'm curious about is there's also then got to be some connection to the mind of the dowser from all of this.
		Does there not?
unidentified		I can't answer that question.
		I'm not a dowser, and I don't know.
		I would assume that a sensitivity to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there are some who can dows and some who cannot, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I don't think I can.
		I mean, I've never tried it, but I just, you know, I don't believe I can.
		And that goes to the power of thought and what you were talking about earlier with the power of controlled exercise, you know, common thought being able to shift things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may be the largest power in the universe.
unidentified		You know who's doing a really remarkable study on this right now?
		I don't know if you're familiar with the guy or not.
		His name is James Twyman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At Princeton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's all kinds of people now.
unidentified		Yeah, well, Twyman's doing a worldwide experiment.
unidentified		And he's a well-known author, lecturer, peace advocate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of experiment is he doing?
unidentified		He's doing consciousness.
		He's doing group prayer.
		He's using a number of models, one of which is just combined prayer efforts.
		There are others that he's doing something called the Mary Magdalene experiment that uses an ancient herb, the oil of an ancient herb called Spikenard that was a part of the anointing that's become so popular between Jesus and Mary prior to Christ's death.
		And he's using that oil to facilitate an experiment that uses group prayer, and he's having remarkable success.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Look, I know she's absolutely right, of course.
		They are having remarkable success.
		Just remarkable.
		Remarkable.
		And it doesn't.
		Now here's something that I know is troubling for a lot of people, but there does not seem to be a lot of difference whether it's people concentrating for reason A other than religious or people concentrating for reason B, which is religious.
		The intent and the power, they all seem the same, whether it's from a religious point of view or a non-religious point of view.
		And I wouldn't begin to know what that means or says.
		And it doesn't necessarily say anything negative at all.
		It doesn't necessarily say that at all.
		It just may be a power, a comment on the power of the human brain.
		The ultimate power that we all don't even know we really have just yet.
		Or maybe it is religious.
		I don't have those answers.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		This is Kim from Nashville.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My dad showed me how to do that Dowson with a couple metal rods.
		Is that what your wife uses?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You can use anything.
		I mean, even coat hangers, whatever.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I can do it, so I guess anybody can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I just want to ask you a question.
unidentified		Did you see the mini-series taken?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's funny.
		I didn't see it when it was on television, but the other day we were in a local store, and the entire miniseries is on DVD, and we just bought it.
		So we're about to watch it.
unidentified		Oh, I was going to ask you if the character that played the radio host was based on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, yes, that's what people tell me.
		And so somehow something interfered.
		I forget.
		We were on a trip or something when it was, you know, starting, and so we never got to see it.
		Now we have it on DVD.
		Everybody in the world wrote to me and said, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's you.
		That's who I thought of when I saw it.
		We shall see.
		I'll let you know after I watch.
		But I'm about to watch it because I've just got.
unidentified		You'll like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes.
		I've been told that by about a million people.
		That character was supposed to be me.
		It seems like taking the host of a paranormal kind of program of this sort and including them in a paranormal television show appears to have some weight in the minds of the producers and the writers and the directors of those shows.
		They use somebody like this a lot.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Yes.
		This is Olin in Culver City.
		Yes, Olin.
		You said that you were going to be measuring electrical fields on your antenna from a helicopter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, RF fields, radio frequency fields.
		In other words, we're going to be testing the model, you know, the computer model of what it says the antenna should be doing against the real world.
		And you do that by flying around in a helicopter with a receiver and seeing if the plots match.
unidentified		Well, you interviewed Professor James McCanney on September 20, 2003.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said that hurricanes and tornadoes are powered by electric fields from the ionosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He said you could discharge the hurricane with tethered, grounded barrage balloons near the coast in the path of the hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's quite a theory, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes, so that might be, if you could review that, it might be related to that static electricity you're getting off of your antenna.
unidentified		It might be coming from the ionosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, boy, yeah.
		Sure, there could be a relationship in the energy that we're talking about here, whether it's the energy of a storm or that's being fed to a storm or it's the energy that's always there.
		And believe me, I think there is energy always there.
		That's something we're going to, by the way, talk about really tomorrow night.
		I mean, zero point, the hunt for zero point, we'll talk about tomorrow night.
		And I think that's, you know, it's all the same thing.
		Hi there, Wildcard Lying.
		You're on air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Listening to you on WPRO.
		Right.
		I have kind of a personal question to ask you.
		Not too personal, I hope.
		You can tell me to bug off if it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for a long time.
unidentified		And I remember asking you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bug off.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kidding.
		I'm kidding you.
		Go on.
unidentified		Gotcha.
		Back in 95, 96, I remember you were talking about, and you were talking about homosexuality, and you were kind of talking about it, not in a judgmental way, certainly.
		You always seem to be open to everything, but sort of distanced, I just don't understand that.
		I don't see that.
		And I heard you a couple of weeks ago, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's still true.
unidentified		It's still true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		Look, like a lot of people, as a heterosexual, I can't even contemplate, I can't even consider it in my mind.
		But you know what?
		That doesn't stop me from, you were referring now to a couple of weeks ago when I said, you know what, I don't see who gay marriage is going to hurt, meaning me.
		I'm not threatened in my heterosexual marriage if homosexuals are allowed to get married.
		I mean, I just did sort of a logic talk with myself about it, and I thought, well, why not, I suppose?
		If they want to get married, then, hey.
unidentified		Well, that was what I was calling to ask you about, actually, is where you came to, because I heard you a couple of weeks ago, and I was wondering what went into that decision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was in the news, right?
		They've started getting married up in San Francisco in droves, and so it was in the news.
		I was forced to think about it, and I just sat back and said, okay, what do I really think about this?
		And I don't think we ought to be passing constitutional amendments, and I don't think we ought to be.
		Yeah, I mean, doing what's right would seem to me to be okay.
		Maybe it'll be the end, you know, and the walls will come tumbling down biblically speaking or something, but I don't think so.
		I think we'll make it through it.
unidentified		Well, you've always been really fair and open-minded, and it's been a pleasure listening to you.
unidentified		It's the whole time I have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I kind of pride myself on presenting different things to you all.
		Some things are pretty out there, and it's up to you as adults to make your own minds up about whether it's truth or trash.
unidentified		That's it.
		That's it.
		That's what dragged me in at the start, and that's what's kept me listening for years and what will keep me listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it'll keep me honest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I appreciate your call.
unidentified		I appreciate talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and have a good night.
		All right, coming up, Benjamin Baruch.
		This is an interesting guy, and he's up next on Coast to Coast AM.
		And yes, tonight we shall rock.
unidentified		To the scout back from a downtown party.
		Where the music was so sweet.
		Now we're right back in the alley.
		I'm ready.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
		Oh, oh, oh, I'm ready.
		And I'm really gonna rock tonight.
		Sweet little lady sings like a song.
		She's ready to sing me out.
		Like you ain't never heard of what she's ready.
		No, no, no, she ain't never heard of what she's ready.
		Can some people really find water dousing with the divine?
		We'll be right back.
		Can some people really find water dousing with the divine?
		Can some people really find water dousing with the divine?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and the weekend, so the weekend version of Coast.
		How y'all doing?
		My guest is a fellow named Benjamin Baruch.
		This is going to be one interesting story.
		Benjamin Baruch is a chartered financial analyst and a certified public accountant.
		His professional background includes money management for pension plans, high net worth individuals, you know, high-end.
		Also the author of the underground bestseller, The Day of the Lord is at Hand.
		He wrote that in 1996 as a warning to America that a time of crisis was coming upon our nation, including a stock market collapse, currency collapse, terrorism, and ultimately war.
		Now, this is a man who talked to God.
		This is a man who began doing what he was doing so he could play the stock market.
		That's my understanding, and we may get corrected on that.
		Benjamin is 47 years old.
		He sounds younger.
		In a moment, you'll hear his voice.
		This is really bound to be a strange interview, I think.
		Benjamin, welcome to the program.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good to have you.
		You do have a very young-sounding voice.
		That's why I asked you how old you were when I talked to you just for the hour.
		It sounded to me like you were maybe in your 20s.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wish I was in my 20s.
		I wish I had the wisdom of the late 40s and the energy of the early 20s.
		It'd be a great combination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do they never do go together?
		Why is that?
		We have youth and energy and stupidity, and then we have wisdom and a deteriorating body.
		It doesn't seem fair, does it?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's not fair.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's one of the ironies of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live with a few ironies of life yourself, don't you?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tell us a little, I mean, you began all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you have some sort of way to gain insight into how to play the market?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't describe it as playing the market.
		I was managing money in the mid-1990s.
		Okay.
		And my clients included a company pension plan, a couple of endowment foundations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, big time.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		This was big time.
		And I was relatively new in this role.
		I had planned my entire career towards becoming a professional money manager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that is, though, what you do, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take their money and you decide where to invest it, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was picking stocks and advising clients on their allocation among asset classes and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I know your type.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talk to people like you.
unidentified		And so you were playing the market.
unidentified		Okay, you can call it play in the market if you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a slang term, of course.
		And I understand that you did it at a level that rises above such a saying.
		Did you do it well?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I did it very well for my first two years.
		I was running money in 95 and in 96, and I was 5,200 basis points ahead of the S ⁇ P 500.
		So I was in the top 1%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		5,200.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had picked the right stocks at the start of my career.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I was on my way to becoming a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how do you get the rep of being so good?
		Where does that come from?
		When you pick winners, do you somehow advertise it?
		Do people start to realize who you are and that you're picking them right?
		Or how does it, you know?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way the game works with Wall Street is you have to have a three-year track record.
		And then if you've got auditable performance for at least three years, you can open your own mutual fund and your track record is advertised.
		You know, this is the performance of the manager.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get noticed, okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You get noticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		So I was on the verge of putting together that type of track record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, top 1%, that's pretty good.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top 1%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you psychic?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't describe myself as a psychic.
		Just picked some of the right stocks out of the gate and had a little bit of beginner's luck, I guess.
		But in any event, I think it's a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but doesn't a lot of that, though, I mean, after you've analyzed everything, doesn't it depend on, to some degree, intuition?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's got to be a moment of.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think intuition is a form of creative thinking.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that makes one a psychic as much as.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not sure it doesn't.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's also true.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting line to even think about if you examine people like yourself that they're at the very top of what they do or running very successful corporations or whatever.
		Do they have something a little extra?
		That's a good question.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There probably is something extra going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you had how many years under your belt up there in the stratosphere of picket-em-right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I had two years.
		I was a rookie in terms of running money.
		I was a seasoned professional as a financial advisor, but actually the responsibilities of directing assets, institutional assets, I was relatively new at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, if you can continue to pick at that kind of rate, you're headed for stardom, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I was on my way to stardom, or so I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what the heck happened?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened is by late 1996, the market's internal valuation measurements got to what were historic peaks.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Talking about price earnings, multiple, dividend yield, all these other fundamental measurements of the stock market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything was pumped up to the point where it was going to blow up.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were pumped up to the point where we had experienced a bear market in 1973 and a crash in 1929.
		But at the same time, I recognized what was happening with the international economy and the financial position of the United States relative to our trading partners, that we were actually headed into a bubble and that the stock market was going to go far higher than it had ever gone before, and that there was no way to accurately measure when the bubble would burst.
		So I had a dilemma.
		I was running money for a company and for some endowment plans.
		And if I made the decision to sell stocks and get out of the market, and I was early by more than one or two quarters, I would in effect be fired.
		You can't get out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I've got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much money were you handling?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It was a small sum, a little over $10 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$10 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, you can't miss.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You can't get out early.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		But conversely, if you got out late, you could do some serious damage to your clients, to your customers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you here you are, I guess, at this point, you sat down and you prayed to God, asking God if you ought to sell your stock, and God answered you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're saying?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's not exactly like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's written just exactly like that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, to be more precise, in late 96, I knew we were ultimately going to face a major bear market because that's how Wall Street works.
		And I did begin to pray, seeking to hear from God on when to sell the stocks.
		But what I began to pray, and I actually did this every morning about 5 a.m. when I would get to work, I began to pray, Lord, show me the end of this matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I can be so bold, why would you imagine that God would respond to a prayer drifting up his way about whether or not to sell a stock?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm not saying that such prayer might not be okay, but on the other hand, there might be others that you'd think might surge ahead of it, like somebody's dying wife or something.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think God's capable of addressing all of the different issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Multitasking.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's multitasking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Why was I so presumptuous to assume God would answer a prayer regarding the stock?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, for one very good reason.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I had previously prayed about business matters and had, in fact, heard God answer me about issues relative to my business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is it worth asking how God responded to you?
		Is it just a resounding feeling of...
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I can answer your question.
		Oh, good.
		And by way of my answer, I think your listeners might take me a little bit seriously because it is rather unusual.
		I understand that people hear actually directly from God, but I had and have from time to time.
		Now, it's very rare.
		It doesn't happen very often, but on occasion I have heard specific answers.
		I'll give you one example.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what manner?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		An audible voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An audible voice.
		Yes.
		Wow.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		An audible voice speaking to me clearly like I'm talking to you.
		And I had the experience of asking technical questions.
		I was working on a problem involving the tax law for one of my clients.
		This was in the 1980s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And I could not solve this problem.
		And the top lawyers were working on it, and they couldn't solve it.
		And I spent two weeks trying to find a solution, and there was none.
		And I finally decided, well, the only person I know that can figure this one out is God, so I'll ask him.
		Now, you can't imagine you heard from God when you're asking for the solution to a technical problem that no One can solve.
		Like you could imagine that God said to go to lunch or not.
		You really have to hear or you have nothing.
		So I began to pray, and this was on the beginning of a weekend, a Friday night.
		I didn't hear anything all weekend.
		And I prayed probably four or five hours over this weekend.
		By Sunday night, I still had not heard any answer.
		Nothing but silence.
		I was, at this point, unable to sleep.
		I was so bothered by this problem.
		And I was actually getting pretty upset.
		I mean, I was to the point of being in tears.
		And I'm crying out.
		Finally, I hear, have you considered you live in a community property state?
		I say, no, Lord, what does that mean?
		Then I hear, you're a smart kid.
		You can figure it out.
		Go work on it again.
		I run down to my office, I pull out the internal revenue code, and I look at my problem, and I start thinking in the context of a community property state.
		And I see the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the answer is?
unidentified		Well, it's probably too complex for this call.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you want me to go into it?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It has to do with the attribution of ownership and how you define related parties under the Internal Revenue Code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how did this apply to the situation?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you live in a community property state and you've got a corporation and you have shareholders who are married, the wives own half of the stock under community property law.
		If those same shareholders are all partners in a partnership, the wives own 50% of the community interest in the partnership, but they are not partners.
		They just have a community interest in the partnership.
		As a result, the stock owned by the wives, which they own directly, is not counted in doing attribution to the partners.
		The result is you can shrink the number of shareholders that are subject to the related party rules under Code Section 267.
		It allows you to take a large tax deduction that would otherwise be unavailable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm a little sorry I asked.
		But I'm not really, because it brings forth the fact that you really know what the heck you're talking about.
		Technically, you know what you're talking about.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got to tell you, on this answer, which is technically correct, I talked to some of the top CPAs and they told me you're crazy.
		And then I talked to the top tax attorneys and they said, you're a genius.
		Nobody's ever thought of that before, but it's actually the truth.
		And the answer is, I didn't think of it.
		I was told that insight.
		And actually hearing from God is something that...
		The company I was working for, the top people were Christians, and they were giving me these accolades about this great solution I had come up with.
		And I told them, I said, you know, actually, I can't take credit for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This came from God.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I prayed about this, and God told me this answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		A couple of sort of, I don't know, technical questions about the way you hear God.
		When you heard his voice audibly, give me a sense of, I mean, here you are, I presume, in a room somewhere, in your house maybe, because you were frantically praying.
		Did the voice come from all directions, or was there directionality to the voice?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There's definitely directionality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it in front of you?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, there have been occasions where it's been in front, and there have been occasions where it's been behind.
		I'll give you one short example.
		I was in Israel traveling, and I was making a bus transfer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And I had my map, and the transfer city was right next to the main highway from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and I thought, this will be easy to find.
		I'll just wait for the bus to go under the main freeway, and that'll be my transfer.
		And we drive under the freeway, and I get off the bus, and I'm thinking, I'll just wait here for the next bus to come, and suddenly I hear behind me, Benjamin, you're in the wrong place.
		Get back on the bus.
		Now, Art, I didn't know who was talking to me.
		I thought to myself, who would know my name here in a foreign country?
		I turn around to see who's talking, and there's nobody standing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it the same recognizable voice each time?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Although, to be honest, there are times where I'm absolutely stunned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me and the audience an idea of is there anybody that it sounds like?
		Is it an accented voice?
		Is it a sort of an NBC tonight kind of voice?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You know, that is so hard to answer.
		It would be like, how would somebody describe what your voice sounds like?
		Or my voice?
		I don't know how to answer your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, maybe this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there would be somebody that this voice reminds you of, some public figure or, you know, voices are very distinctive things, and maybe it reminded you of something.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it actually says in the scripture that my sheep know my voice.
		And when I read that, when I was a very young man, I thought, they sure do.
		I hear you just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been able to make inquiries of God?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask questions, get responses.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And okay, how long do some of these sessions go on where you have talked to God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For what kind of period of time have you had a chance to talk to God?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're very brief.
		They don't seem to last very long.
		They're not long dialogues.
		They're more, you know, you're on his agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've got that.
		But you typically, for example, get to ask one question or, you know, I'm trying to get a sense of now the length, you say very short.
		So how do you wiggle in a question?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you start out asking, it says, you know, if you knock and if you seek and if you ask, you're going to find.
		If you begin praying and calling on the name of the Lord and asking for the answer to a question, he will find a way to get an answer to you.
		Most people experience his answer in the form of they get insight or they get circumstances will give them a sign.
		You know, Gideon put a fleece out.
		It's relatively rare for someone to actually hear the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people will also say, How do you know you're talking to God?
		It's a pretty basic question.
		Some would say you're talking to some sort of a darker power that could be trying to fool you.
		So it's an obvious question.
		How do you know you're talking to God?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, my sheep know my voice.
		That would be one test.
		The other is you've got to test everything by the scripture because there's clearly a lot of voices out there today.
		You know, you mentioned psychics.
		They're hearing something from some source.
		You know, there's probably a lot of noise around us if we had the ears to hear it.
		And how do you know which voice is of God and which one is not?
		The only test I know is God's obviously going to tell the truth.
		It's obviously going to line up with the Holy Scriptures.
		And it's going to be wisdom and good, whatever he says.
		He's not going to tell you something crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He told you quite a bit about the future of America, didn't he?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, he actually showed me the end of the matter.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		He answered me literally.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I mean, we're talking about attacks with nuclear weapons and, you know, Judgment Day and all kinds of incredible stuff that you have seen, aren't we?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		We are indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
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		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Told you.
		Be interesting.
		Benjamin Baruch, a lot of fast blasts just like this from Portis Lake, Arizona, already telling the truth.
		I've heard him too.
		No mistaking his voice.
		By the way, I'm not a Christian.
		So I don't have to read about him in a book.
		This is a stock market man, top 1%, picking for funds and stuff like that, who prays to God, gets answers about the stock market and that sort of thing, but then goes on to get all kinds of information, is shown all kinds of information about the future of our country.
		It is interesting.
		You stay right there.
		It's about to unfold in front of your ears.
		The End Once again, Benjamin, Baruch Benjamin, welcome back.
		All right.
		I don't know.
		You sound like a pretty square guy to me, pretty straight up, and yet you talk to God, or God talks to you, more likely.
		But when you say, in fact, there was a fellow who wrote a book called Conversations with God.
		But you're sure not alone.
		There are a lot of people who say they talk to God.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And so many of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe it's true.
		Maybe you've got to wonder if it's the same voice in a different language when it's Allah they're speaking to or praying to, or whether it's only God of the Christian Bible that answers like this out loud.
		What do you think?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a complex subject, but let me just share one other example with you.
		I was speaking at a local church a year or so ago, and a number of young people had been brought to hear me talk about my book.
		And I was giving them a summary of the material that's in it, and talking about the attack that's coming on the country and the financial collapse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're about to get to all that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And so on.
		And, you know, they were looking at me with kind of a smirk on their face.
		And, you know, I could tell they thought I was kind of a goofball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to admit, Benjamin.
		You can.
		There are going to be people that are going to react that way.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I totally understand, and that's reasonable.
		And so I could tell The crowd was sort of not taking me very seriously.
		And then all of a sudden, the Spirit of God came upon me, and I heard the Lord speak, I'll take this conversation from here.
		And I thought, well, that's good.
		I don't really know what to say anyway.
		The subject, of course, immediately changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, was this coming from your mouth?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I heard that in my ears.
		I'll take the conversation from here.
		And then I changed.
		Coming out of me, the subject changed, and I said, the Lord is ready to bring forth the first four judgments.
		They are ready to break forth upon you even now.
		And I walked into the crowd, got right in the face of one of the young men, and I grabbed him by the arm, my right hand.
		I grabbed him by the shoulder, and I started hitting him on the shoulder saying, and it's going to be just like your arm, brother.
		The four judgments are coming forth just like on your arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, wasn't the teacher getting worried?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, this young man that was standing there turned and ran out of this church, and a friend ran after him, and I just kept on talking.
		Five minutes later, the friend came back, interrupted me.
		How did you know about his arm?
		I forgot even saying this, and I said, excuse me, I don't know what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		He said, you said the four judgments are ready to begin.
		It would be just like his arm.
		How did you know?
		I could then see this in my mind.
		I remember doing this.
		I said, oh, yeah, I did say that.
		But I don't know anything about his arm.
		Well, he's sitting in his car so scared he can't drive.
		He wants to know, how does this guy know about my arm?
		I've never seen this guy before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about his arm?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		He had a tattoo of the four horsemen of the book of Revelations under his jacket on his arm.
		Those are the four judgments ready to come forth.
		Suddenly, fear came on that crowd, Art.
		All those smirky faces were rather long.
		And from the back of the auditorium, some young man stood up, started waving his hand, and said, I'm a Navy SEAL.
		I've been in the military eight years.
		And he broke down weeping as he shouted, and everything this man said is true.
unidentified		And of course, Southern Baptists?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it was just a non-denominational church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty active stuff for non-denominational.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they didn't take me seriously until.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but I'm talking about just the whole presentation is dramatic in the mindset of the Baptists.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But this just happened.
		I've never told anybody that something is going to happen just like on their arm.
		I mean, it's a rather insane comment, really.
		Unless, of course, you have a tattoo of the picture of exactly what's coming to pass.
		Then it's perfect.
		But this guy had a jacket on, right?
		You know.
		And it wasn't me that was moved to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Anyway.
		Let's now transition, since it's such serious news.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To how do you get from a conversation, answered prayers with regard to questions, to being shown an image of the future of our country?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I began praying in late 96, and I didn't hear anything for almost a year.
		And I actually, my main client was a large corporation, and there was an investment committee that I reported to on the status of the pension plan.
		And every two weeks I would have to report on activities and performance.
		And I told these men I was praying and going to ask God when we should begin to sell our stocks.
		They thought, well, that's interesting.
		But, you know, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were they Christians, too?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they were, but they weren't people that had ever experienced hearing directly.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Although they knew that I had previously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then they must have been concerned you hadn't heard from him in about a year.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I told them I'm just going to sit here and wait, and it doesn't really matter how long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to their money, though, it might.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I just figured God would speak by the time it was necessary that we hear from him and until then remain long the market.
		So I prayed literally every day for almost a year.
		And then I had my 40th birthday.
		And shortly after my 40th birthday, I heard from the Lord.
		And I went back into my committee and I said, well, I heard from the Lord.
		And they said, oh, you did?
		What did he say?
		Did he say to sell the stocks?
		And I said, no, not exactly.
		Actually, he didn't even mention the stock market.
		But from what he showed me and what he said to me, I think it's safe to assume you could sell everything now.
		Because we're in trouble.
		And, of course, that wasn't a real popular message art, as I'm sure you can imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Now you're sounding a little like Major Ed Dames.
		But that's all right.
		Let's see what you got.
		You were shown the future of America.
		And so what were you shown, and in what manner did it come to you?
		People will want to know that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was shown through insight and through some words that were shared with me that America, the church, the nation, and the world were going to come under judgment.
		And that the judgment, the end time judgment of the nations of the earth was going to begin in the United States.
		That we were number one.
		We were the top nation, and God's judgment actually begins with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning we are about to be dealt the harshest?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think it's going to be the harshest immediately.
		I think if you look at the way God deals with people and the way he deals with nations, he gets successively more stern or more forceful because he's looking to create a response.
		He's not trying to bring judgment for the sake of judgment alone.
		He's trying to wake up a nation.
		He's trying to awaken a people who've maybe their hearts have grown hard and their Ears have grown dull.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this doesn't sound like the final judgment because it isn't written that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not like here's a warning for you all.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's definitely a warning, and it's definitely going to lead to the last days, final judgments.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		But America's judgment actually precedes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if yes, but I guess what I'm saying is if Armageddon is inevitable, as the Bible describes, then what use, any sort of warning, since it's predestined?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the point of a warning?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the point of the warning is for our individual lives, we can save our souls?
		Well, we can save our souls.
		We can probably save our necks, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would imply that we could intervene in what otherwise will be an apocalypse, you know, Armageddon.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no doubt that the battle of Armageddon is coming at some point in time.
		But God also deals on an individual level with each person on this planet.
		And whether we come under judgment or pass from judgment to life is a function of the decisions that we make uniquely.
		So for God to issue his warning, and if we then take notice and begin to move in the right directions based on our wisdom and the light that we have, I think that will change the ultimate outcome in our individual war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
		See, that's the part that I don't get.
		So you're saying it could change for us individually, but that the larger apocalypse or Armageddon will still occur.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I believe, yeah, that's correct.
		The larger apocalypse is going to happen.
		Whether we individually are judged in that or whether we are among the few that are counted worthy to escape is a function of how we behave and how we respond.
		So it's not without hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly what is going to happen?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to know exactly what's going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, actually I do.
unidentified		Okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		This is based on my limited insight, and I'm not infallible.
		And so my order or my understanding could be somewhat off.
		And I don't think for a minute because I heard from God that I therefore even understand precisely what he meant.
		Let him alone is the rest of my insight and understanding somehow inspired.
		I'm just a man just like you.
unidentified		Okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But based on my insight, what's going on?
		Yeah, that's right.
		What's going to happen is America is described in Bible prophecy as an eagle, an eagle who has built her nest in the stars, much like we built our space station in the stars.
		The eagle's wings are plucked.
		America is judged before the final tribulation period described in the prophetic writings.
		Judgment will come in several ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, if you wouldn't mind, I want to know what you actually saw.
		It's more than what the Bible says is going to happen.
		What did you see?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		What I actually saw was a Holocaust taking place in this country.
		I was standing in my living room, and I was literally caught up, if you will, into the Spirit.
		It was more than a vision art because I was standing in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's what I want.
		I want your description.
		You're standing in the future, seeing what?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I was actually in a concentration camp watching people, families be separated, being processed into a civilian concentration camp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you see a future of concentration camps in the United States?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That will come, yes.
		I also saw nuclear bombs detonated.
		I saw a nuclear war coming in the United States.
		Actually...
		No, what I saw was probably 100 megaton size nuclear detonations.
		And I also saw the fallout coming down out of the sky, and I was catching it in my hands in this vision that I had.
		And I described it to a friend of mine, Jeffrey Nyquist, who knows quite a bit about a lot of this stuff.
		And he asked me, Billy, have you ever seen fallout before?
		I said, no, I haven't attended any nuclear detonations.
		I've never seen fallout.
		Well, you've described it perfectly.
		It's thick.
		It's like chipped paint.
		It's whitish-grayish with swirls of yellow and brown colors mixed in.
		And these bombings came after I saw four West of the Rockies.
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benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		4,001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm going to do is omit the names of the airlines.
		So there's no point in giving out two major U.S. airlines.
		Leave it at that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Same ones that were involved in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, leave it at that.
		Yeah.
		So you saw the U.S. hit with 100-megaton bombs and people dying in vast numbers, I suppose.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't see that part, no, but obviously if it were that we were hit with large nuclear weapons, yeah, I would assume there'd be massive casualties, unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Any sense of when all of this unfolds?
		I mean, you know, I talk to remote viewers who claim to be able to look into the future and tell about this sort of thing.
		Is there any way that you have an understanding of how quickly this sort of thing is going to actually happen?
		The bombs falling, for example.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I would be venturing a guess as to timing, Art.
		My sense would be that it's in the next years that are ahead of us.
		It's not 100 years off.
		I would venture the guess that it's within the next 10 years.
		But that would be my guess.
		And actually, if you look at the biblical record, God gave Jeremiah insight into a judgment that would come in his lifetime, but it didn't come for 30 years.
		And at one point, he laments, have you deceived me?
		Nothing has happened.
		I gave this warning, and life went on.
		And so this, you know, that may be the case here as well.
		We might have 10, 20 more years.
		I frankly don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about demons?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you hear from God, then certainly there probably are demons described in the Bible, aren't there?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there clearly are demons as described in the Bible.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to know about them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do I want to know about demons?
		That's an interesting question.
		What do I want to know about demons?
		I want to know do they serve their master Lucifer as most of us commonly think?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		My understanding is yes, they do, and under fear as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they they themselves fear Lucifer?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they fear him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they do his nasty little bidding here on earth.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think they probably do it because their own nature is corrupted to the point that they are the embodiment of evil.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		But yes, there is a demonic host that's trying to interfere with humanity as much as there's an angelic host that's trying to shepherd us and put it in the middle of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, or are they part of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they drive it?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think the demons drive the men to make sinful and evil decisions, but ultimately human beings have to take responsibility.
		You know, the demons obviously were involved with Adolf Hitler.
		So you're questioning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying then that, well, okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And certainly the demonic is inspiring this global terrorism that is occurring, which is an unspeakable evil.
		Clearly that's demonic.
		But did the demons do it directly?
		No.
		Some human being had to make the decision to commit an atrocity.
		But I believe there was probably a demonic element that was operating in the life of the people that made those insane decisions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I want to circle back.
		We've got a break coming up, and so there's something I want you to think about for me, all right?
		And that has to do with the question I asked you about God and perhaps Allah or Buddha or some of the other great recognized religions of the world and whether the devotees of those religions, when they pray, get answers from, well, the equivalent in a different language or something like that.
		Or is it just our God that speaks?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Benjamin Baruch.
		That's his name, Benjamin Baruch.
		He wrote a book called The Day of the Lord is at Hand.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not God.
		The Day of the Lord is at Hand.
		And actually, he's got a website, but don't bother going there because my understanding is it actually reached its limit and crashed before the show even began.
		Tonight, Benjamin Baruch talks to God, and God talks to Benjamin Baruch.
		God has shown him what's ahead for the United States.
unidentified		It's got a very biblical future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a moment, he will return.
		He is, in a way, the man I always wanted.
		A man who seems in every other way like a straight arrow, managed money, as a matter of fact, and talks to God first about money, then about us.
		So All right, for the sake of time, in a moment, I'm going to ask Benjamin a series of fairly quick questions.
		But I do want to jump right back to where I said I was going to go, Benjamin, and it is an important question, I think.
		And that is, if a Buddhist prays to hear from Buddha on something or to Allah or to whoever, there are so many that are worshipped by millions, by millions, and as well as, you know, not just Christians.
		So, Benjamin, do you think that these people get answers or do only Christians get answers?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a profound question, and I want to answer it clearly and directly, but I want to also correct your comment regarding the website.
		Our website's backup.
		Yeah, we were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, when did it get back up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it crashed before the show.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It crashed before the show.
		We had to reroute it through a server that could handle higher volumes.
		The website, the dayofthelordisathand.com, is back up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is back up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hallelujah.
unidentified		Well, anyway.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can thank my internet team who.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and whoever else might have anything to do with it.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Right.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		A couple of people did some hard, fast work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't have a fast word with someone, did you?
unidentified		No.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Handled by some capable assistants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the profound question.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Back to your question.
		Well, clearly, there are a lot of voices, and there are a lot of sources for information out there.
		I would say when a Buddhist or somebody from some other faith prays to their God, they may very well hear an answer or have some type of interaction or response from their God, but their God is not a God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can that be, though?
		Well, it's simple.
		But wait.
		Benjamin, according to every Christian I've ever talked to, Christianity is the only true religion, period, and the others are not true.
		They have to be false according to strict doctrine, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would agree with that, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There's only one way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then where are they getting these answers?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		From the spirit world.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		From the other spirit beings that are out there walking around masquerading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you're telling me they're not really hearing from Buddha.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		They're hearing from their God.
		Just not my God.
		They're hearing from a God.
		They're hearing from an angel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're then saying there are other gods.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There are other spirit beings that would masquerade as the king of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, key word, masquerade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying they're not real gods?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There's only one God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only one God.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God of the Bible?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Christianity?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		No question.
		All right.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And the reason why that is, Art, is that only those who are born of a light can bear witness to the truth.
		But in fact, there are two cities.
		There's a Zion and there's Babylon.
		And through the course of human history, there are two rivers that have been running.
		There's a river of life with living water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we the modern Babylon?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		We're part of end-time Babylon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And I can explain that to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I probably understand it without your doing so.
		What are UFOs?
		What do you think UFOs are?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think very clearly UFOs are alien.
		They are definitely there.
		But what's been demonstrated by a number of the scientists that have studied the UFO phenomenon is they are actually not physical objects.
		They've defied the laws of physics in terms of the things that have been observed by radar and by other official agencies.
		I think they are a projection from another dimension, and I think they're part of the deception of this final hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Benjamin, what do you, Benjamin Brook, think of the people that say, yes, they're aliens?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're certainly right about that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		They're certainly not from my neighborhood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		They're from another star system or whatever.
		But they were, in fact, our genetic architects.
		They designed us, not that which we call God.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly the claim.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I find that to be absurd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absurd.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, doke.
		The Middle East.
		Now, the Middle East, of course, is sort of center court.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Middle East.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Biblically, in every other way, it's supposed to begin there.
		The whole thing is supposed to begin there.
		Is that where we're headed right now?
		There are sort of peace talks on and off and blown up frequently and then on again.
		So where do you think that's going?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they're going to continue to wrestle with the issue of negotiating a settlement or a peaceful resolution to the Middle East conflict.
		But as I was going to make the point, there are really two seeds, if you will, on this planet.
		There's the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman.
		And 6,000 years of warfare has proved that, no, we can't just all get along.
		There's a reason we've been at war for 6,000 years.
		The reason is ultimately spiritual.
		Sons of light and sons of darkness are never going to sit down and have a successful peace negotiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, never.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's never going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a war.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		6,000 years of history backs me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a war to the absolute end.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we are the pawns, more or less.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the prizes in the war?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the prize is truth.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say we're pawns, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Sometimes I feel that way, Benjamin.
		If you read the Bible and the way it will all end, it is as though we can do nothing to prevent it.
		What about on a personal level?
		When this is visited on America and the concentration camps are here and the atomic bombs are falling, the hydrogen bombs, excuse me, and death and destruction is wrought, what can a single person do?
		Anything at all?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think each of us has a choice, and God gives us choices throughout our life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, would you save your butt by moving to Europe or the Orient or, I don't know, somewhere where the apocalypse is not?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, based on my understanding, the judgment that's going to begin here in America will ultimately encompass the whole earth.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		So the first and foremost thing to do to save your butt, as you say, is to get right with God, which I would suggest people get their Bibles out and begin to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, but that implies that we're going to stay here and take the ride.
		Now, you know, it may be an impertinent question, but I'm going to ask anyway.
		If somebody really thought this was coming down, why not go to Europe?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's certainly a feasible response.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You recall the Y2K phenomenon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And you remember the hysteria at the time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You remember several agencies of the federal government released reports indicated there may be actually some real problems with Y2K?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Remember the NAVIL report?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They spent billions of dollars on preventing it once the panic began.
		And so they really did prevent it.
		Not a lot of people know that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's probably true.
		There was a lot of money spent.
		But at the same time, they knew that it was under control.
		Yet all over the United States, the cities and the state governments and the federal government were building underground command and control bunkers for a problem that didn't exist in terms of Y2K.
		But they need those bunkers for something else.
		I would suggest to you and to our listeners that the underground bunkers that were built for Y2K, that was a bit of a cover story.
		And the reason why we have underground command and control bunkers in all of our cities is they know something they're not telling us about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you imagine that to be?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think that the people who have insight recognize we are headed for war.
		Matter of fact, actually, we're already in a war, if you take the statements of our president literally, we're in a war against terrorism.
		We are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said it earlier myself.
		Look at what just happened in Spain.
		And as far as I'm concerned.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That was the same event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We must go and we must kill these people.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't have a choice.
		They started the war.
		And, you know, the events in Spain were 911 days following September 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a number of things on the Internet floating around about that.
		So it really is true?
		It was 911 days?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I've understood.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I didn't check that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's going around on the Internet.
		I haven't checked it either.
		But, yeah, I know.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm not sure it's meaningful, but it wouldn't surprise me at the same time.
		But in any event, when you look at the states that sponsor terrorism, and let's be honest here and not pretend that the world is a friendly place.
		There are nations that are not pro-American.
		And major trading partners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of them is Saudi Arabia.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, there is a number of lawsuits that are looking straight to Saudi Arabia for recovering money and damages for what happened on 9-11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can bet that the Saudis had a financial hand, if not more, in the middle of that whole damn thing.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, and if you go back over the history of the last 40 years, the communist alliance, the Russians, the Red Chinese, they have been the allies of these Arab states that have been sponsoring terrorism.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And to think that that's all changed...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you given that any thought?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately, it's going to be an alliance of many nations.
		I think we're looking at the Russians, the Chinese, the Nicaraguans, the Cubans, the Libyans, the Iranians.
		You know, the list goes on.
		I could just say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a pretty good list, actually.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be basically the communist and Muslim Arab alliance.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And unfortunately, we're being painted as the bad guys in many corners of the world today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And actually, one can understand a case for how we are painted to be the bad guys, the colonialists, the big bullies on the block, and all the rest of that.
		And so you can sort of try and see it from their point of view, but even if you struggle to try to be fair like that, we still have to go kill these radicals before they kill us, and they have every intent to try and kill us.
		I mean, they're proving that again.
		They're just going to kill people until they are killed.
		So end of that discussion.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, we have to stop them because they're not going to stop, and there is not a negotiated outcome with the terrorist.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's just not going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely agree with you.
		I mean, that's all there is to it.
		They've got to die.
		And so moving on from there, I want to understand a little bit of how you were in the market, you were managing the money for these funds, and then apparently At some point, your ability to successfully do this waned or stopped?
		Was it when you began talking with God or somewhere after the first conversations?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You want to know what happened next?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Is that the question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that would be another way to put it.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Well, as I mentioned, I went back to my committee and I said, well, I've heard from the Lord.
		And they said, oh, really?
		And I shared the message and they said, let's not tell anybody about this right away.
		Let's pray about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And I thought, well, that's a good idea.
		Okay, fine.
		Let's pray about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the message, again, being, folks, if you just tuned in that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I was about to judge the church in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you told them they should just go ahead and sell because it's...
		Right, right, right.
		But the bottom line was, look, it really doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference one way or the other because Judgment Day is about upon us, so who cares?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what's coming is so much bigger than this footnote of what the rate of return on your investment portfolio is.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's really a question of whether you're going to live or die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they suggest not telling anybody about this and praying on it for a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's what you did.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That's what I did.
		And about a little over a week went by, and it was time for me to make my annual presentation to the various operating divisions for this company on the results of the retirement programs.
		And so I was speaking to one of the regional offices, and I do a one-hour program on the benefit plans.
		And Art, as I was wrapping up this meeting, I hear from the back of the room, I wish to speak to this people.
		And I think to myself, why did God say this people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you think God has a sense of humor at all?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there has been some indication that he does.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Clearly.
		Hey, obviously he must.
		Half of what goes on down here is hilarious, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, if he's orchestrating all this, he definitely has a sense of humor.
		No question.
		And as well as some other senses.
		In fact, actually, to be honest with you, if you imagine that what goes on down here really is orchestrated by God, then it just makes you wonder about God altogether.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't say orchestrated as if this was his perfect plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously not.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, clearly not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if orchestrated in detail, if we are macro-managed and our futures are set in stone, well, then there's this free will thing, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a whole other show, probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably.
		But it does begin to mix in there.
		But then there also might be this master plan in which we're all kind of puppets.
		And that's the one where you start asking all these really hard questions about the nature of God.
		If what's going on down here is reflective of God's will, well then...
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		See, we got five, six billion people that all want to be God in various degrees.
		And this is the consequence of everybody just doing their own thing.
		Osama bin Laden wants to do his thing.
		You want to do your thing.
		But we keep kind of running into each other in what's called conflict.
		We've had 6,000 years of it.
		It hasn't really worked out very well.
		I wouldn't place the blame for this mess at God's doorstep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think that's right, Art.
		I think humanity chose this outcome.
		God merely wrote in his prophetic writings what he knew we would ultimately choose.
		If anything, I would say he put a lid or a limit on the insanity or we would have probably done ourselves in far sooner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but gosh darn it, Benjamin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just then God has created us knowing that he created a failure, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's a very interesting philosophical question.
		Yeah, I could see the point.
		At the same time, God created us knowing that he himself was the answer.
		Maybe we are failures, but there is someone who's above and greater, and it's him that's going to be glorified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of still a perverted sense of humor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll have to pardon my venturing into these areas, but it's a perverted sense of humor if he created us to fail.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think he created us to be redeemed.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yes, clearly mankind fell, and I would call that a failure, but the ultimate destiny for humanity is redemption.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin, I'm going to open the phone lines here in a second.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious.
		What do you think will happen when I do?
		What do you expect to get?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we will get either very positive or very negative phone calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a safe bet.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm also hoping we can talk a little bit about the economy and the stock market and stuff because I'm prepared to educate your listening audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Well, hey, we're here to be educated.
		That's what it's all about.
		So we'll talk about.
		Sure, why not?
		We'll talk about his views on the economy, where America is right now, what's happening with all the jobs that really aren't happening.
		Have you seen the numbers?
		They're pretty depressing.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin Baruch is my guest, and he talks to God.
		God talks to Benjamin.
		And they have talked of stock market things.
		They have talked of many things, including the future of America, which is clearly apocalyptic.
		He'll be right back.
		And so will I, but it's just impossible to cut off sacks that good.
unidentified		Gunshot
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An obvious question to Benjamin would be, why you, Benjamin?
		Why would God pick you?
		But the obvious answer already entwined within the interview is that God speaks not just with Benjamin, but apparently anybody who asks sufficiently well.
		Benjamin, you're back.
		Well, okay, fine.
		Give me an overview, then, if you would, fairly quickly, of the state of the economy.
		If you're advising on stock market buys now, where you might advise to buy or sell, and what you think is going on with our economy.
		Jobs are not part of this apparent resuscitation of the economy so far, a very troubling aspect to it.
		What do you think?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's difficult to give a quick overview that would be sufficient to cover a comprehensive understanding.
		But in a nutshell, we are experiencing a reflation of the debt bubble, and the bubble has moved from the stock market to the housing market.
		There are no real jobs being created in America.
		I read a statistic recently that 60% or more of the new jobs that were created in the last two years have been filled by illegal immigrants at basic minimum wages.
		There's virtually no high-income job creation.
		And one of the reasons is we are exporting our manufacturing base, and now we're exporting a large number of white-collar jobs to be absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back up a little bit, and we'll take our time with a couple of things.
		One is the housing bubble.
		There are homes in California right now, Benjamin, that here where I live might cost $100,000, and in California they cost $400,000.
		So there is a gigantic housing bubble going on.
		Is it about to burst?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There's indications that national demand is slowing.
		Inside California itself, there's a supply constraint that's pushed prices to unreasonable levels.
		The frightening statistic is that the percent of new homebuyers using adjustable rate mortgages is now above 70%.
		And with record low fixed rates, people are moving to adjustables to afford the price shock.
		Historically, arms or adjustable rate mortgages were used when interest rates began to go up in order to allow people to continue to buy the homes.
		But in today's marketplace, people have gone to the adjustables out of sticker shock.
		They're a shock absorber for the price itself, which won't leave us any slack, if you will, in the event or when interest rates finally do begin to rise again.
		I think there's no question we're in a housing bubble.
		In the area where I live, basic tract housing is $800,000.
		With 2% property taxes, it's a $16,000 a year tax to own a home.
		And that doesn't count the payment.
		Very few people make that kind of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how close are we to all this bursting?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I would think once we get past the election, we're going to see the slide back down into the recession.
		And you can call it whatever you want.
		We've witnessed over $1 trillion of stimulus being thrown at the U.S. economy.
		And as Warren Buffett said recently, give me a trillion dollars and I'll show you a good time.
		And what he meant by that was, we spent a trillion.
		I hope you enjoyed it.
		Just to give you a sense of where the money went, in the last 12 months, consumer spending contributed To around $260 billion of gross domestic product growth or GDP growth.
		We have a $500 billion trade deficit that I'll discuss in further detail.
		And with the consumers borrowing approximately $1.2 trillion on all of their assets in the last 12 months, all we witnessed in terms of economic growth was $260 billion in additions to GDP.
		$500 billion leaked out of the country through the trade deficit.
		And the difference, about $400 billion, apparently was used for debt service to make the payments on all the money we borrowed last year.
		You cannot create perpetual wealth by geometric debt additions.
		And that is exactly what's happening to the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you tell the people you're trying to manage money for all this stuff?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'd be derelict in my duty if I didn't.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would think, after hearing all this, there would be nobody willing to sail a penny toward any investments.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's always assets that rise in value relative to those that fall.
		You've heard it said, no doubt, they don't ring a bell at the top in the stock market.
		Well, in September of 2000, I sent a letter to all my clients saying, I'm ringing the bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this was a message from God, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, actually, God did ultimately speak to me about the stock market in September of 2000 and told me to sell.
		And so I sent a letter to all my clients.
		And though the economic signs were flashing this is going to be hard, Benjamin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be hard.
		But here we go.
		Okay, fine.
		So God told you to sell these stocks, which certainly is a great benefit for your clients.
		And they make money.
		But the flip side of the coin is somewhere out there there's somebody else holding stock which is now worth less because you just sold those stocks.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not correct, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It isn't?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You cannot take money out of the market any more than you can put money in the market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by that?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, when one individual is buying stock, the money is merely passing to someone who is selling.
		General Electric, for example, just had a large secondary offering.
		People bought the new GE stock.
		The cash went into General Electric's bank account from the bank account of the investors.
		The money didn't go into the market, per se.
		There is no cash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'm saying is, though, when your clients would sell their stocks.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		But that isn't what drove the price down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, but selling drives down price.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a larger way, it does.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, my clients are a small percent of the total volume that's occurring on the exchange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'm thinking of this like God would think about it.
		In other words, why would God involve himself in the doggone stock market anyway?
		I mean, honestly.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Why would he involve himself in any of the day-to-day affairs of mankind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		Yeah, that's fair enough.
		All right, look, here's what I want to do.
		Anyway, obviously you have a lot of views on the economy, but I want to let you...
		All right, do that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Point number one, the so-called recovery that we are experiencing is a statistical hoax.
		It's an illusion.
		It really belongs in a Las Vegas magic show rather than on Wall Street.
		And how is the illusion created?
		I want to explain to our viewers the sleight of hand that the magicians are using inside these government agencies publishing this garbage economic data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		In the mid-1990s, we began to change the way we calculated our economic data for what was called quality adjustments.
		They use a fancy term.
		It's called hedonic deflation.
		It means essentially quality adjustments.
		And here's an example of this sleight of hand impact on the economic data that's released in this country.
		Take computer production as an example.
		From 2002, the first quarter, until third quarter of 2003, the official data for computer production in this country showed an increase of $128 billion, or roughly 49, 50% increase.
		This number went into our GDP and our national productivity and our national income data.
		The vast majority of that $128 billion, the true increase in real dollars was only $16 billion.
		The imaginary increase was $112 billion, and that's because, ART, the computers were faster.
		Therefore, even though we only sold $12 billion more in computers, because the computers are faster, we're going to count it as $128 billion.
		Well, that so-called gimmickry is going into all of our economic data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think most people believe that, that our government feeds us a bunch of absolute trash when it comes to statistics like unemployment doesn't include those who have just been unemployed since they gave up and were no jobs.
		Hell with this, I'm never going to get a job.
		I'll stay home.
unidentified		Right.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That means you're no longer unemployed.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you're no longer on the unemployed list.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Or how about consumer price inflation?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Have any of our listeners seen prices going up lately?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or how about gasoline?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, gee, gasoline is the only word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but prices are going up, yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Prices are going up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have noticed.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		So this statistical chicanery is occurring in all facets.
		Take the other measure of inflation, the producer price index.
		The government refused to release the number the last two months, Art, because they haven't figured out how to cook the book.
		So they literally will not release the PPI number.
		Now that's hilarious.
		They've got to go back and work the map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they put that in a memo somewhere?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		This was officially announced when they were supposed to release this data every month, and they came out and said, Well, we're working on revising the calculation.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		We just don't understand the answer we're getting right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's interesting.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		So, what we've got is a bubble economy where this country is going into debt at rates that are unprecedented.
		Take the trade deficit.
		That's just one of our debts that's growing.
		Right now, it's $500 billion a year.
		I want to put that number into perspective for our listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Growing at $500 billion a year, is that right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		The trade deficit is running at a rate of $500 billion a year, which means we're issuing debt internationally in an amount of $1.3 billion a day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I get the picture.
		May I ask you this?
		Do you know either from your own knowledge or imparted directly from God when this is going to implode?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, traditionally, when a nation's trade deficit reached 5% of their economy, the size of their economy, it imploded.
		We are at that level right now in the United States.
		However, we are in the unique position of having been the leading economic power and the dollar being the reserve currency for the world.
		So we can probably press our luck a little bit further.
		But the $500 billion deficit that we're financing every year, every day, it is absorbing 85% of the world's savings.
		Now, Art, think about it.
		The United States is borrowing 85% of all the money saved on the planet so that we can continue to drive our SUVs and buy their oil and their electronics and their fancy cars, and so we can float it all on more and more credit cards every year.
		How long do you think this will continue?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, there's a day of reckoning coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're the expert, and that's what we've got you here for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close is that day of reckoning?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's either right after the election or coming up shortly before it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now try this.
		Would this be true that one day the Japanese or other very large investors with the U.S. are going to stop investing?
		And that should be the trigger, or could be the trigger.
		Would you think that to be true?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		There's no question that if our trading partners don't continue to buy more U.S. debt to recycle our trade deficit, if they don't continue to reinvest that money back into U.S. debt, either stocks or bonds, that will force U.S. interest rates to go higher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's like when the finance company looks at your credit history and says, no, sorry.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		You end up having to go to a loan shark.
		And the consequence of that is, of course, disruptive on your life.
		When the United States begins to have to pay a real rate of interest to borrow all the money that we need to borrow to roll over our debt, then we'll see the day of reckoning.
		You know, it's interesting, Art.
		Right before the September 11th events of 2001, there was a warning published in all of the Russian newspapers by Dr. Tatanya Koryaga, who was a member of the macroeconomic research group of the Russian Ministry of Economic Development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was her specific warning?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		She warned that the United States was going to come under a series of terrorist attacks that would collapse the financial system here.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And she described the effects as similar to a nuclear bomb being detonated in the financial markets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all know what kind of economic bomb 9-11 was.
		And I think we, just in recent days, have probably seen reverberations of that with what has just occurred in Spain.
		So, you know, what am I trying to say?
		I guess it's in front of us, huh?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's unfortunately the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the shock effects of What, we've been down several hundred points since Spain?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, surely, but the market itself is already looking pretty heavy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but could the market, Benjamin, take another 9-11 or worse?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
		You know, you're not the only one saying that.
		There's a lot of people saying that, that if there were something of that magnitude again, we did go into a gigantic tailspin because of it.
		And they're still out there, and obviously they're still active.
		And so one more big hit, and that could be it.
		There are a number of things, I guess, then, that could bring about this crashing end, appropriate term, crashing end, or the beginning of the end, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say it's going to be the end, but the collapse of the U.S. stock market is definitely in our future.
		It's a house of cards.
		You cannot build an empire on credit.
		It requires true wealth and true savings.
		And one of the paradoxes of this period of economic prosperity with its so-called productivity miracles is that there's no savings anymore.
		If America is so wealthy, and if we're now so productive, as the spin masters on Wall Street would tell us, why are there no savings?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've never been good savers, have we?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		How can a nation be wealthy and productive but unable to save?
		We are a nation of credit card junkies.
		I'm sure there's an upper class that's wealthy, but they're a small percent of the population.
		The average American family has virtually no savings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And what's up with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's up with the fact that, as far as I know, even through the best of times, we've never been savers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's some about Americans that, you know, culturally, I guess, we're not savers.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, the United States saved, on average, 8% of its national income 30 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's gone.
		Yeah, I'm not talking about 30 years ago.
		I'm talking about today.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, and the reason for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for maybe the last 20 years.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And the reason for that, Art, is that people began to use debt to try to replace the lost income, the lost incomes that were occurring, to maintain their living standards.
unidentified		Yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And we became a nation of people who were comfortable mortgaging our future.
		And we have mortgaged it to levels undreamed of.
		But the day of paying the piper is indeed coming for America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know that old question about ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago?
		Right.
		Nobody really out there right now is urging that question be publicly asked.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, when we come back, we're going to the phones and we're going to see what people think about all this.
		You're a complex individual, to be sure, Benjamin.
		Stay right there.
		Very complex.
		On the one hand, he really knows his way around the economy, ours, and the international economy, and has a pretty firm grasp on everything.
		On the other, he speaks to God, and God speaks back to Benjamin.
		When we come back, we're going to go to the phones and see what you think about all of this.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a real enigma on our hands here with Benjamin Baruch.
		Very, very interesting individual.
		He obviously knows what he's talking about in the financial world.
		There's no question about that.
		He actually sounds just like my broker when he gets going, up to a certain point anyway.
		And then on the other hand, we have the Benjamin Baruch who talks to God.
		And God talks back to Benjamin about things from the stock market to the end of America, certainly as we know it, as he has seen it.
		In a moment, we're going to go to the phones, and this could be very interesting indeed.
		All right, well, this is going to be interesting.
		A.Z. S.R. 22 from Tucson, Arizona, that must be gibberish, huh?
		It says, this would be humorous if he didn't believe this stuff so much.
		And that's what's scary about him and all religious fanatics like him.
		The Bible is just a book of tales of history from the writer's view.
		And we all know that history is in the eye of the holder.
		So, you know, probably going to be some of that.
		You know, you obviously completely believe everything you've told us tonight, right?
		There's not even a centilla of doubt in your mind that it was God who spoke to you and gave that information to you and gave all of the information in whatever way it came to you to you.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, there's no doubt whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let's see.
		First time calling line, you're on the air with Benjamin Baruch.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Well, why did God pick you?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can only guess the answer to that question.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And I would offer that he chooses the foolish things to confound the wise.
unidentified		Oh, how obscure.
unidentified		And furthermore, then, why aren't you the richest man in the world?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in the book of Amos, God depicted a migrant farm worker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But his questions, Benjamin, to be fair, is, if you've got a direct line to God and a line on the market and what it's going to do, then you should be real rich.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not going to comment on my financial income or my net worth, but you're okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm not worried about what's coming, that's for sure.
unidentified		Well, that somewhat escapes the question in that Bill Gates apparently doesn't have a line directly to the guy, but he's done quite well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he has color.
		Let's try this again.
		Would you say you are fairly well-to-do as a result of your activities?
		I mean, we're asking, were you successful?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		Okay.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would be considered a successful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good enough.
		Yeah, that's a good answer.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, pleasure.
		I wanted to start off.
		I watched our favorite movie the other day, Frequency, and it made me think of a quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My favorite movie is Contact.
		Frequency is down a little bit, but right up there on it.
		Right up there.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		Well, it's probably not my number one favorite, but I just love it.
		And I just came across the Bridge of San Louis Ray, and the last line is, there is a land of the living and a land of the dead.
		And the bridge, oops, and the bridge, I know by heart, is love.
		And hold on.
		I'm sorry about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you essentially put that down for a minute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you trying to tell us?
unidentified		Okay, well, what I'm trying to say is that I'm very concerned when, I mean, how much money do people need for starters?
		Also, when I hear people say things like is that your question, how much money do people need for the money?
		Well, no, no, it's slightly more involved, but not much longer, because I don't want to take over the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, just give us your question.
unidentified		Okay.
		In terms of the monetary, Japan has been holding up the U.S. dollar by buying U.S. dollars and everybody else has been buying euros.
		It's not going to last.
		What's going to happen with a trade deficit that has no hope, no hope of turning around because all of your jobs are being outsourced.
		It's not going to happen.
		You won't have a surplus.
		The only thing that's going to happen is your money is going to collapse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, you're preaching to the man who just preached that a minute ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The exact same thing.
unidentified		Yeah, but my point is, is we're spending all of this money on weapons of God knows what, how to destroy so many people.
		Paul Bremer, we asked, you know, how many Iraqis have been killed?
		Oh, we don't count.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're.
unidentified		The point is, is that I'll finish here.
		The most important point is that nobody's talking about 9-11.
		Nobody's talking about Buzzy Crondard and the put options.
		And that is, I mean, there are so many facts out there that, I mean, why do we believe this theory?
		I mean, they were going into Afghanistan in the summertime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What theory?
unidentified		I'm sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said, why do we believe this theory?
unidentified		This theory that the reason we all charge together in unity to Afghanistan to bomb poor old Afghanistan yet again was to get the evil Osama bin Laden, who's a very close family friend of the Bushes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, all right.
		Well, that's just a political rant.
		And I don't know that the Bushes are friends with Osama's at all.
		So I have no, I'm sorry about that.
		That lady really didn't have a question to ask.
		She had a political speech she wanted to make there, Benjamin.
unidentified		Apparently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Brooke.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, nice talk to you, Art.
		You've got a great show.
		Benjamin?
		Yes?
		Yeah, you talked earlier about, like you said, you were talking to a person and then God took over the conversation like you wanted him to, you know?
		And it's happened to me twice.
		And it's so neat because it's just like words coming out.
		I don't know how it happened to you.
		That's what I wanted to ask.
		It's like words coming out of your mouth.
		Your mouth is opening and the words are coming out, but they're not your words.
		Is that how it came to you?
		That you're telling the person something?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't describe it like that, but clearly it was not from me to tell this group the four judgments were coming and then to grab one of the young men by the shoulder and say, and it's just like your army.
		I mean, that wasn't originating in my mind.
		Moments later, when confronted with this, I didn't even remember saying it, but in fact, I did.
		So clearly it was being directed by, in my opinion, the Spirit of God.
		So, you know, perhaps, I think maybe we're describing the same thing, but I'm not certain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Hi, Ethan.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to speak up good and loud, hon. You're not too loud, so yell at us.
unidentified		Okay.
		Hi, Art and Ben.
		Ben, I would like to thank you for speaking the truth in love and wisdom.
		And did I get it right that you said America you felt with Babylon eventually?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		America is actually the daughter of Babylon.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And if you want to read about its future, read Jeremiah 50 and 51.
unidentified		Okay, so then when the market money-wise falls here, do you perceive how soon it might be that we'd have the one-world government, one-world monetary system, and so on and so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the concentration camps would just be on the road to all of that, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That would be correct.
		And I would say that the collapse of the United States, which will be the total collapse, will be the finale of World War III.
		We will see the one world government rise up out of those ashes almost immediately.
		The nations of the earth will tremble when they see the great America fall in one hour, and they'll quickly turn to any solution that's offered to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In one hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're speaking metaphorically then?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm quoting the book of Revelations, but the final blow against the United States will be a nuclear strike, and that will take place in under an hour.
		The financial collapse will precede that.
		There'll be a series of crises that will escalate.
		And you can have me back on your show as those waves roll across our nation.
		We can sort of do the color commentary part.
		Kind of like a football game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm no John Madden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		International line, you're on there with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Yes, hello, good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		This is Sally from Vancouver, Canada.
unidentified		Hey, City Fund, 1410.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I have two comments and then a question to Ben Yamin.
		The comments, Benjamin's last name, Baruch, is blessed in Hebrew.
		And modern Babylon is actually Iraq.
		And my question to Ben Yamin is, Ben Yamin, when you pray to Hashem and ask him for answers to your questions, I was interested to know, do you speak out loudly and audibly, or do you sort of speak silently and inwardly to yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for speaking the name of the Lord in Hebrew, or the name that is used in reverence, Hashem.
		I pray both in my heart and verbally, out loud.
		Absolutely.
		And to comment on your Babylon point, Ancient Babylon, the geographic city, was located in what is now Iraq.
		But the prophetic symbol of Mystery Babylon is in fact a lineage of superpowers that have dominated the earth from time to time.
		And the United States is part of the final end-time mystery Babylon, which is ruling the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been said by many that there's really not much in prophecy or any place really in the Bible where the United States even seems to be a factor in anything, to be honest with you.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's part of the consensus view.
		It's wrong.
		It's so far wrong that it's laughable.
		The United States is pictured in many places in the prophetic writings.
		People just don't like the picture, so they conveniently ignore it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Benjamin Brooke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		I guess I'm looking at things from my perspective, but if you could make an advisement to somebody, say the average American who's in this situation, we have a small mortgage, not a large one.
		But all of our retirement is tied up in the market.
		So if something happens to the market and it takes a dive, there goes all of our savings and everything we have, because basically we don't have much of a savings.
		Like you said, most Americans don't.
		We don't.
		Most of our retirement, our savings is tied up in this market, which is something that our 401ks there, and everybody has told us, put everything there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you sort of asking for personal advice here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		I guess you could say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, then fine.
		Let's ask.
		Benjamin, there is her situation.
		She represents many out there.
		How do you advise her?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody's situation is personal, so there's no blanket answer.
		But this market, in the opinion of Sir John Templeton, who founded the Templeton Funds, is the most overvalued in history.
		Warren Buffett recently said he can't find any stocks worth buying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You gave us all that earlier.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		So that being the case, I would suggest that you move to a more defensive position and you should allocate some of your money in your 401k to more conservative fund options, either short-term bonds, perhaps some precious metal mining gold stocks would be appropriate.
		I would not have 100% of my retirement funds allocated to equities at this time.
		I think that would be a serious mistake.
unidentified		Would you say just get out of it?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, it depends on your exact facts.
		And without looking at the details of your family's income and net savings and your financial position, I can't make a blanket statement that would be relevant.
		But I would err on the side of conservatism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin, for people in her general financial condition, which is a lot of people, you know, with 401ks maybe, not a heck of a lot more toward retirement with what you know.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say the answer is yes, get out.
		And here's the reason why.
		After we've had a 20-year bull market, and there's been three of them in the last 100 years, the next 10 years have produced negative real returns.
		So here you are today.
		The market has recovered substantially from the lows of a year ago, but the prospects going forward are for very mediocre single-digit returns, and that's the bullish case.
		So you're taking tremendous risk of the bear market resuming, and in my opinion, the bear is not done, and we're going to create new lows before it's over.
		And for assuming that risk, all you're getting is an expected single-digit return.
		It's just not a prudent risk and return trade that I would make today.
		I would sell the majority of my equities.
		Now, there's always exceptions.
		I like the energy stocks.
		I like the gold stocks, but I would not be 100% allocated to stocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let us for a second talk about gold.
		I'm very interested in that.
		Maybe you can explain it to me.
		Sure.
		In hard times, or when the market does badly, gold does well traditionally.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But gold, for some reason, has, though it hovers right at about the $400 mark and has taken a few upward spikes, it doesn't seem to be rising in alarm as you would expect it to if the market really were in the sort of condition that you are describing.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that my viewpoint is the minority.
		The majority of the professionals that are invested in the market and the Wall Street people that are speaking on the bubble vision that everybody watches are very bullish.
		The minority opinion is that the bear market's for real and it's not over.
		Gold is a store of value.
		People flock to gold in times of uncertainty, and gold, of course, is the ultimate hedge against the debasement of a currency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why have they not yet flocked?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they have, in a sense, gold's up 30, 40 percent from its lows.
		The movement in gold, though, has been primarily in U.S. dollars.
		If you look at gold priced in euros, gold has been pretty well flat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So should we use gold as the indicator?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it begins to really spike hard, then the end economic game is almost at hand.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I think, yeah, look, that's a definitely good point.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		If gold begins to break out of this trading range and start moving up aggressively, that would indicate that something's afoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on air with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Good morning, Art and Mr. Baruch.
unidentified		Mr. David, calling from well, I'm listening to the show on Streamlink.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Calling from Illinois.
		Very impressed with his knowledge, his intelligence, and been looking at some of the things on his website that's back up.
		And one quick question.
		You do believe then that the U.S. is mentioned in the Bible and prophecy, as I do.
		And you also, do you believe that the saving name Yahshua the Messiah and Yahweh, that that's the name that we need to call on for salvation in these end times?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, Yeshua, which is the name salvation in Hebrew, with the name of Jesus being the Hebrew name, definitely I believe that Yeshua or Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel and the King of the universe.
		He alone is the name whereby we may be saved.
		And I do want to make one comment about the website.
		Apparently the website, the dayofthalordisathand.com, is not up.
		What's up is a mirrored site that people can get to by connecting or clicking on the link on the Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I told you, Benjamin, we killed it.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You were right, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we killed it.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got a mirror site up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, at least you've got something up there that people can get to.
		That's good.
		Well, let's see if we can fit one more in here, and I think we can.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Brooke.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		Honor to speak with you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you.
unidentified		I had a couple of questions for your guest, and maybe you can answer the first one also.
unidentified		Why does it seem like everyone who has these visions or notes from God say that the U.S. is the first country, the first area that's going to be destroyed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're making it awful easy on him, Caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's going to say, well, if all of us who say we're talking to God are saying that, then maybe you ought to be listening.
unidentified		I don't doubt that some people may or may not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, a common message must have some meaning.
unidentified		Well, it just seems like everybody says I don't mean to answer for you, Benjamin.
unidentified		That the U.S. is being targeted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not curious as to why.
		I've got you.
		Yeah, it certainly is.
		Both of you hold on through the break, and we'll come right back to it.
		Yes, as Las Vegas, Nevada, for example, is frequently destroyed in movies about nuclear war and that sort of thing.
		The United States in general, I guess because we're the top dog, right?
		In more ways than one.
		economically and politically and socially and standard of living wise, we're number one.
unidentified		I used to be your role that don't know if the calls are right to find an answer on the road.
		I used to be a hard people's own one, but the times have changed.
		The less I say, the more my world gets done.
		'Cause I'm living free,'cause it's still a destiny of freedom.
		From the day that I was born, I went to fly.
		Then the doctor's freedom took me knee-high to a man.
		Give me peace all night, my daddy never had.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tis.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Benjamin Baruch is here.
		He talks to God.
		God talks back to him.
		He has seen our future as an America's future.
		And he's a very complex individual, to be sure.
		I wonder what the consequences of doing what he has done have been.
		I think maybe we'll ask him that.
		I mean, he's very, very, very outspoken, obviously.
		And there really are a lot of people who just hate messengers.
		The End Okay, remember, we're all adults here, and we are listening to one man and his opinion.
		And a lot of people don't like messengers.
		And just a quick side note, I got this from last week.
		Dear Art, you were speaking to a woman caller last week with respect to the movie The Passion.
		You asked her what she thought would happen if Jesus, the Master, so to speak, came again.
		She was so sure it would all be great because she said, we're a Christian nation now, or something like that.
		Your reply was that you disagreed and that you think the same kind of thing would happen that it did back then.
		I was chilled by that.
		So few understand that perspective.
		Do we not know that the very people waiting for him slash aren't expecting the master then are the ones who rejected him, the very people waiting here now will reject him again?
		That's very interesting stuff.
		Benjamin, welcome back in the caller.
		Would you please continue, caller?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, my first question was, why are we the one, why is the U.S. the area that gets destroyed first?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Yes.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's several reasons.
		First and foremost, judgment begins in the house of God, and the United States is one of two nations that were divinely created.
		Every other empire that rose on this planet was the mission of a man who would be king or ruler.
		But in the case of the United States, it was a movement by God.
		This country was based on the Bible.
		We are a Christian nation, or at least we were at one time.
		And the other nation, of course, that God created was Israel.
		And the judgment of God upon the earth begins first with his two unique nations that he created for divine purposes.
		And ironically, the fact that we will be judged first is actually an act of mercy by God.
		these judgments are designed to turn us back to God, that we would avoid the ultimate destruction that will face the nations that follow the Antichrist.
		So it's a little harsh, but it's...
		Well, not everybody's going to die, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Loosely translated, that's what you just said, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That's not really what I meant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but isn't that the way it came out, though?
		I mean, a miracle will be dealt with first, and it will actually be a merciful thing.
		That's what you said, I thought.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I didn't mean to imply that everybody would be dead.
unidentified		Well, is it okay to interpret that as being that he gets us and Israel first because we're kind of the favored sons?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I would say we're the two nations that were created for a divine purpose.
		Israel brought the Messiah into the world.
		The United States brought the gospel of the Messiah to the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A divine purpose of destruction?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, a divine purpose to bring life to humanity.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And now, having turned into a harlot and an apostate, we will be cleansed, if you will, by fire.
unidentified		Okay, I'll ask my other two questions real quickly to save time.
unidentified		The first one is, if we're the Babylon of the apocalypse in the Bible, it was my interpretation, and I'm not a biblical scholar in any sense of the imagination, I thought the one world government started prior to the destruction of the new Babylon.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And secondly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a big one.
		You better stop there for a second.
		What about that timeline-wise?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good comment.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Let me reiterate, the United States is a part of the final mystery kingdom of Babylon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The beginning of it, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		We are the beginning of it.
		We are specifically the daughter of the final king of Babylon.
		We are not the end time superpower that will rule the earth.
		We're just the reigning superpower at the moment.
unidentified		So we're part of the catalyst to create that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's just say the whole one-world government is sort of modeled after the United States.
		Okay.
		United States of the world, if you will, under the UN, which coincidentally was born in New York.
unidentified		Not San Francisco.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
unidentified		But my final question is if, and it was also, again, it's just my interpretation, but it wasn't long after the destruction of the New Babylon that pretty much everything comes to an end in Revelation.
unidentified		Why were you earlier saying that people should go to Europe because it doesn't seem like that would give them all that much more time?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was Art's comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was my comment, but you kind of agreed with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you said that could be one way to.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly on the list of things to consider.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if we're going to have an all-out war here, you might want to get out of the line of fire a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or, you know, as the old saying goes, if the hydrogen bombs are going to fall, then better to go out there and face up to them and say, hi, baby, I'm ready, and just go out with a flash.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, as the saying goes, it's actually quite ignorant.
		80% of the fatalities are the consequence of severe burns and dehydration, and it takes up to two weeks to die.
		So unless you're at ground zero, you're not going to like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Jeremy.
		I am in Colorado.
		Thanks for taking my call.
		You bet.
		And I have a few things.
		Okay, number one, now the, excuse me, I apologize, a little bit nervous.
		But did Christ not say that a house divided against itself could not stand?
		And I'm putting that in reference to him healing, because that's basically what his reply was to the Jews when they said that he was healing people by demons.
		So therefore, wouldn't it be that if one was healed by Judaism mentally, spiritually, physically, or one was healed by Muslim or any of these, that that would actually be part of him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And the other one is, he also said...
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what your question is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that all of them are God, the same.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you can create that doctrinal statement out of those words by Jesus.
		You know, because Jesus went further to say many would come in my name and deceive many.
		They're coming in the name of Jesus, but they are in fact deceiving many, and they are not of God.
		So I don't think you can conclude that because some miracle or some sign and wonder occurs, that therefore it must be God.
		As a matter of fact, the scripture tells us at the time of the end, the Antichrist will come with lying signs and wonder to deceive the whole earth.
		So if we're looking at signs and wonders for authentication of spiritual truth, we're looking in The wrong place.
		We need to go back and search the scriptures for what is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		On the international line, you're on the air with Benjamin Brook.
		Hello.
unidentified		I was wondering, I wanted to ask Benjamin, how does he know that God is speaking to him?
unidentified		Does he hear it or does he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer was he hears it aloud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct, Benjamin?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
unidentified		It's not his own conscience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, what was the question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not your own conscience.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear a voice behind me.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I'm turning around to see who's standing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So this is clearly, you know, it's so hard, Benjamin.
		You have to understand it's.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do understand, Art.
		I mean, there are examples of people that have heard from God on this level, but they're very rare.
		I didn't know that until I began to try to tell people about this message.
		And I learned the vast majority of people who claim to believe in God have never heard from him.
		I was actually kind of surprised because it was sort of normal for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you wrote a book called The Day of the Lord is at Hand.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this book in the mainstream, I don't know, usual places?
		No.
		So this is a self-published deal.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it was published by a very wealthy businessman.
		I wrote it as a manuscript thinking I would merely give it to my friends and family.
		A very wealthy friend took the manuscript on vacation to Hawaii.
		His wife began reading it at 9 o'clock.
		They stayed up all night and finished it at 8 in the morning.
		And they're in their 60s.
		And if you can imagine a book that would keep a 60-year-old couple up pulling it all nighter, that's this book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pretty unusual, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I assume that it's available then through your website, right?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is carried by, or was carried, I should say, by a number of bookstores around the country.
		It's being republished.
		It may be on Amazon.
		At the moment, it's not, but it will be available through the website, and it's available both in an electronic form as well as a hard copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Excellent.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Benjamin Baruch.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Gwen.
		I'm calling from South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Gwen.
unidentified		Hi there.
unidentified		I want to say Baduka Bahashima and I Elohimu.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Gwen.
unidentified		Hi there.
		I want the audience to know that Benjamin has the voice of a prophet.
		He will not call himself a prophet because a true prophet will not acknowledge that he's a prophet because then he's elevated himself.
		He is actually hearing from Yahweh.
		Yahweh is the sacred name who the Gentiles call God, okay?
		And the reason America is going to be the first one is because America has bowed her knees at Balaam, okay?
		Because she, back in the 60s, when they took the Bible and prayer out of school, that's when God took his hands.
		Yahweh took his hands off this country and let us have what the people in this nation wanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And after that, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, this is an incredibly common view now.
unidentified		No, it's the truth, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I understand.
unidentified		It's the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there are many in America who feel that when God was taken from the schools and when we began to draw this line.
unidentified		When abortion went up, that's when a drug...
unidentified		It began when all that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was the turning point.
unidentified		Right, that's correct.
		And this nation was based on the Holy Scriptures.
		It was based on the Tanakh and the Blith.
		But we have strayed from that.
		And if this nation would truly repent, according to 2 Chronicles, if my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my faith, this country has never done it.
		So judgment is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, gotcha.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		Well, Benjamin.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I just want to make one comment.
		I'm a very successful businessman.
		I've got a very successful career.
		I make a lot of money for what I do.
		I make more money in a month than most people make in a year.
		I didn't need to write some wacky book and bring some crazy message.
		I'm one of the people winning this game.
		And I laughingly tell my friends I know why there's no jobs in America.
		It's because I'm hogging all of them.
		I've got all the jobs, Art.
		Four or five of them every day.
		But no, in all seriousness, I didn't bring this book forward.
		It came out pretty much with its own head of steam.
		I'm not some guy who's got nothing better to do.
		I wrote this manuscript, which was ultimately published by somebody else after they read it, really to try to reach my friends and family.
		I never dreamt it would be published.
		It got published.
		It ended up ending in the hands of a TV network back east.
		I ended up on national television, on international radio, and I'm here tonight on your fine show.
		My purpose is not to divide, not to bring an argument, but to basically tell everybody the warning is here.
		God has told us what he's going to do.
		The good news is his intentions with each of us are actually very kind and loving.
		He just has had enough of murder.
		He's had enough of the horror of sin.
		And he is bringing this to conclusion.
		And it's a good thing because if this went on indefinitely, I don't think any of us could stand what would be happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are so many of us, Benjamin, so many of us that have such a terrible struggle with the mental concept of a God that would have knowledge of what the creatures that he created would do and let it all unfold like some cruel orchestrated joke.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not a joke.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't meant to be cruel and orchestrated as a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm using those as dramatic terms here.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, I can't stand in judgment of the Supreme Being.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I can only understand what he allows me to comprehend about himself, his character, his purposes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will you do me a personal favor?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next time you get a chance to talk with him, ask him what's up with that.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		And if he gives me an answer, I'll forward it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, exactly.
		In fact, you know, if he gives you an answer to that one, I'll bring you back.
		Okay.
		If you want an enticement, because that's what so many people want to know.
		I mean, it seems such a macabre dance with the end known and the puppet strings being pulled on all of us down here.
		That's just such a tough concept.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		I empathize with you completely.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		But we're still left with the dilemma of reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way to ask this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequently do you have an opportunity to converse with God?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I have been able to hear from him on some occasions on a daily basis, and at other times I've spent years without hearing a word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it kind of comes and goes.
		And how do you interpret those long absences without word?
		Do you begin to doubt?
		Do you begin to question ever your own sanity?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no.
		I don't question my sanity, and I don't doubt God or his word.
		But I do feel a whole lot better when he's talking to me than when it's all quiet for years at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There are a lot of us who would like that to happen.
		God has never had one word with me.
		Not one word.
		And so I've got a feeling that I'm probably in pretty good company.
		In other words, you're pretty rare.
		Not entirely rare.
		I mean, I'm seeing computer messages.
		God talks to me, too.
		So I guess a lot of people believe that, Benjamin.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a large group of people that believe they hear from God.
		I have spoken to a number of them.
		And in this hour, I'm skeptical of a lot of what is quoted as from God is, in fact, real.
		We were warned in the Bible that in the last days many false prophets would come.
		And the caller beforehand basically said someone who claims to be quoting God is operating in the office of a prophet.
		This is an hour when there will be many misquotes and many false prophets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But look, from the listener's point of view, you do come across clearly as a prophet, a man who has received a message that he's supposed to take forth.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		I can quote God.
		When God showed me the judgment that will come on the United States, I fell down on my face in my living room, weeping and screaming.
		And I cried out, Lord, what must we do to be saved?
		And I heard him audibly, Art, and he said, I will protect that which is mine, and everything else will be destroyed.
		And then I asked him, I need to know what to do, and I can't hear from some man in this hour.
		I must hear from you.
		And then he answered, and he said, search the scriptures for the detailed instructions are in the Word of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this hour is over, actually.
		So, Benjamin, thank you.
		You're a very unusual guest, and I thank you for being here.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Art.
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		It was a pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good.
		Oh, one last question, Benjamin.
		Still there?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you do die, that thing about going to the light, you think that's true?
benjamin baruch ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sure seems like it would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.

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