Dr. Garland Landrith explores how mass consciousness—like 6,000 meditators in D.C. reducing crime by 20% in 1993 or David Lynch’s $100M-funded global meditation efforts—may alter physical reality through quantum randomness spikes tied to events like 9/11. He argues pure consciousness, beyond self-reflection, acts as a universal field influencing outcomes, from distant brainwave synchronization to war-zone tension drops in Lebanon and Israel, though ethical misuse risks karmic backlash. Landrith’s research suggests nature responds to human vibrations, balancing destruction with creativity, but warns unintended consequences could disrupt natural laws. [Automatically generated summary]
it is one of the most intriguing The power of the mind may be the ultimate power in the universe.
Maybe that's true.
Alright, a little bit of news.
NASA's Opportunity Rover landed on Mars a little while ago, arriving at the Red Planet just three weeks, exactly three weeks actually, after its identical twin set down.
As you know, the Rover 1 is in recovery, I guess.
They're saying they think they know what's wrong and they're on the track to fixing it and so forth.
Meanwhile, its twin has landed.
All is well, and the celebration and shouting went on at NASA, as you can imagine.
So we'll get more, yet more pictures of Mars.
And by the way, while I'm on the subject, I know that it's irresistibly tempting to take the photographs that are coming back from Mars and put McDonald's and Walmart and little space beings and all kinds of things photoshopped into the Mars pictures.
Separate bombings, narrowly missing an American convoy in a blast that killed four Iraqis, wounded about 40 others north of the capital Sonan Ars Ares.
About five dead.
Bloody attack occurred as UN security experts began to study the possible return of UN international staff to play a key role in Iraq's transformation to democracy.
Well, I don't know.
Maybe the UN will go back.
Is it any safer today, do you think, than when the UN said, hey, it's not safe.
We're leaving?
It would not appear so to me.
Howard Dean sharply questioned John Kerry's judgment on Iraq Saturday as Democratic presidential rivals raced through a final frozen weekend of campaigning up in New Hampshire.
He said, quote, I would be deeply concerned about the kind of judgment in the White House, end quote, said Dean, the one-time frontrunner who did a screech that has been heard around the world several times, as a matter of fact.
Secretary of State Colin Powell held out the possibility Saturday, it'd be for the first time, that pre-war Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction after all.
Powell was asked about weapons of mass destruction and about comments last week by David Kaye, the outgoing leader of the U.S. weapons search team in Iraq that didn't believe Iraq had a large quantity of chemical or biological weapons.
And let's see, what else have, oh, with luck, the world will escape the latest outbreak of bird flu with no more than the six human deaths already blamed on it and the loss of millions of chickens.
But public health experts worry of a much greater disaster, a catastrophe they say is among the worst imaginable, a global outbreak of an entirely new form of human flu.
There is no clear sign that will happen.
Nevertheless, bird influenza's sudden sweep through Asia, along with its tendency for wholesale mutation, have left many wondering about the bug's potential for rampant spread among humans.
It is a possibility the medical journal, the Lancet calls, massively frightening.
Now, it is massively frightening.
It really is.
The fact that more and more species jumps appear.
By the way, that was the Associated Press that I just read you, the hourly news from the Associated Press.
Just so you know where that came from, no scare stuff, just in the regular old five-minute summary.
More and more species jumping going on.
What do you make out of that?
And out of this, what do you make?
A security guard at BASF, the chemical plant, was shot in the shoulder Saturday after he approached a suspicious truck and talked to a man who said that he had been taking pictures.
The guard's name was not released, but Freeport police said that he was doing well at a hospital following the Friday night shooting.
The guard told police The gunman was a man described as a man of Middle Eastern descent with bushy hair and a mustache.
The man was driving a white pickup with tinted windows and a black stripe.
Now, the plant has a very, very large ammonia tank.
And of course, they go on to say they have no indication here that it is terrorist-related, but boy, it sure sounds like it, doesn't it?
And here's one that you ought to catch up on.
Remember the story?
Do you remember the story about the pilot who ran his plane into the Colorado Rockies?
Nobody could figure out.
Well, they still don't know.
Air Force investigators have concluded, though, that Robert Craig Button, whose A-10 jet mysteriously crashed in the Colorado Rockies after breaking away from formation during a training run in April, probably committed suicide.
This from CNN, they learned in a report due out Monday that military investigators are going to call the incident a case of spontaneous or unpremeditated suicide, largely because they have ruled out any other explanation for the crash.
That's interesting.
Spontaneous or unpremeditated suicide?
Because you don't have any other answer.
No evidence Button was contemplating suicide.
He didn't get his affairs in order or report that he'd received a call from his significant other.
That's not true.
Turned out to be not true.
No drugs, no alcohol involved.
So I guess they're going to call it unpremeditated or spontaneous suicide.
All of you know the phone numbers, so grab a telephone and join in.
Once again, the big news of the hour, of course.
We are once again, within the hour and a little more, safely down on Mars.
And rover number one is in recovery, and things are looking good, according to the scientists.
Anyway, once again, don't forget tomorrow night, tomorrow night, we'll have a complete open line program, which means anything you want to talk about.
But I'm always up for, as you know, when I do an open line show, I'm always up for special lines.
So if you have something, some favorite subject that you would like to see ruminated upon at some depth, you might email me at one of my operative email addresses, artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L lowercase at A-O-L or MindSpring.
While that would seem a worthy goal, I mean, to catch bad guys and that kind of thing, we don't know yet enough about this power.
And it may be a very great power indeed, in my opinion, to go willy-nilly experimenting, no matter how laudable the cause may seem.
Now, maybe I can have my mind changed on that, but we don't understand enough of this power and or the way events work.
Let me give you a what-if, all right?
Let's say that you had a mass consciousness experiment and so-and-so was captured.
Well, suppose the way the cosmos really works is that as bad as that so-and-so was, he was going to do something that would end up, oh, God, who knows, you know, saving a president's life or something.
I mean, you're tampering with forces that you Don't understand, and I don't.
unidentified
Well, if it's going to actually happen that way, then I think God would intervene in it.
There's this free will thing, and maybe part of it includes the use of a power like this.
So, my answer to you is that I would prefer not to be part of that kind of experiment until I know more.
unidentified
Well, the other thing I wanted to get a hold of, too, was people out there seem to have these weird coincidences that go on in their lives.
This one guy this week was talking about how he was planning to go to Gettysburg, and he was sorting mail from New York City, and all of a sudden this postcard slipped out with the Gettysburg picture on it.
And I want to try and get a hold of some of those.
There are, I mean, there are people who say there are no such thing as coincidences.
Well, yes, there are.
There are coincidences.
I suppose you can use that phrase with a broad stroke to try and impart some sort of meaning.
But there are, in fact, coincidences.
Things do happen that are coincidences.
And as our mind tries to make sense, for example, of misshapen objects on Mars that we see a little blurry, like the clouds, you know, whoa, there's Uncle Fred.
Look at that.
You know, it's the same sort of thing.
We have Gettysburg on the mind, and we see Gettysburg, and we think, oh, paranormal occurrence.
Well, if you woke up in the middle of the night and saw a green glowing object under Lynn's bed, why didn't you say, hey, Lynn, there's something glowing under your bed?
Young, prepezent, young ladies like yourself and your sister, stuff like that happens around them because they have all kinds of reaging hormones and stuff, and they produce, no, don't laugh.
It's very well documented, and they produce anomalous things like that around them.
And it's kind of worried me about the amount of people that call in from southern Indiana.
And I was wondering with your experience, if you know of any like UFO repellent or alien repellent or, you know, something just to put my mind at ease.
Well, yes, actually, we have a combination spray, alien and UFO repellent, $19.95.
Excellent.
Absolute results guaranteed or your money back if you make it back.
unidentified
Right.
Well, I've noticed a lot of people call in from that area and it's kind of got me freaked out because I'm going to be in some pretty secluded areas all summer.
He did most of his inventing or discovering of inventions here in the U.S. Why do you think that Tesla has not been appropriately recognized for his contributions?
unidentified
The powers that be, the people trying to keep him out of the...
That could be.
That might be.
And another important question, and I've got to find out about this.
Are we ever going to find Out or get some Art Bell and Ramona Bell pizza sauce?
It's a long story, but in Paris, we went to this very interesting little tiny restaurant run by an Italian on the outskirts of Paris, and he had this incredible sauce that we put on a cheese pizza there.
And Ramona, being very talented at discerning what's in a bottle, and he brought this bottle out with all these ingredients.
You know, you could see them all floating in there.
We're going to be talking about mass consciousness.
As you know, one of the very last things that I explored in the full-time show and I continue to explore throughout the time that I get to spend with you on weekends.
I think consciousness, mass consciousness, directed consciousness, may be the most powerful force in the universe.
and you've been listening well you usually told to turn off the radio just left off your heart for a happy happy to have a happy Well, if you have any thoughts on mass consciousness, which is what he'll be talking about when he does get here, you're welcome to express them.
What do you think?
unidentified
Well, I guess my interest lies in programming and symbolism.
Yeah, we're programmed through our surroundings and people around us, etc.
And I find it interesting that as you get older, your programming exists, and we're all programmed sort of together with the same surroundings around us.
And that's sort of, I find that an interesting topic.
And I wonder if maybe you could ask your guest what that was.
By the things that happen to us, by the news that we see every day, by the shared experiences we have.
And this has a fascinating impact on a society.
I mean, potentially, think about it a little bit.
In the old days, before mass communications, we were still all shaped by our environment.
But the difference now is that our environment is so connected that we're all influenced by exactly the same things.
We watch CNN or CNN International.
We have the internet where ideas are spread at the speed of light.
We have so much interconnectivity that Our environment is so similar that I don't know.
How do you think that's affecting us?
Do you think it actually might slow the process of evolution, for example?
There are many who maintain that the process of evolution itself occurs because of large, dramatic, traumatic events like rocks falling from the heavens, you know, and wiping out the dinosaurs and allowing man to come forth.
That's what creates the leaps in evolution.
Well, do you get those kinds of leaps when you have a homogenized world in touch with itself?
You know, for the first time, the administration seems to be leaning toward suggesting that even they are beginning to believe there may not have been any weapons of mass destruction.
There was a new team taking over, and the old team said, uh-uh, they weren't there.
No way.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello.
Well, when I hear you talking to Richard C. Hoagland or Richard C. Hoagland about Mars, Peter Davenport about UFOs and so forth, I always wonder what the rest of the world is doing or thinking about this.
The other industrialized nations, for instance.
For instance, if aliens really did crash at Roswell, or if in some other way we're back engineering stuff, are the French back engineering stuff too?
Are they having symposia and talking about UFOs the way we are?
And the whole question of the militarization of space and Richard C. Hoagland's theory that perhaps the computer control of the rover was interfered with, the programming was taken over and also possibly Hubble's going to be blinded on purpose so nobody will be able to know what's going on.
I'm not necessarily saying there are conspiracies, but we shouldn't only talk about what the thinking is and what's going on in this country, is what I'm trying to say.
Well, you know, you really can't rule anything out.
I mean, we could be Martians.
unidentified
Well, I was thinking on the order of a hundred-mile tidal wave, you know, 100-mile high, reaching like a teardrop toward Mars, the way the moon pulls the tides.
If Mars came within about 100 miles of the Earth, any ice on its surface would have been lost to the Earth or fragmentized ice caps, which came across Texas, and it was nothing ever since.
Millions of years ago, we really have no way of knowing what happened, do we?
We know a couple of things, or we think we know a couple of things.
One, that there is water on Mars now, probably subterranean.
As a matter of fact, they found a Mars rock, I'll tell you about that tomorrow, here on Earth, that would seem to suggest also that indeed there was, and there's minerals affected in a certain way by water, and they found that in a rock that they know somehow is from Mars.
Now, don't ask me how they know the rock is from Mars.
So we think we know there was water there and there was air there.
There's every probability with water and air that you might have life.
All those millions of years ago.
And then the imagination, of course, goes to work.
I talked to a technician from a vet lab yesterday.
I had to put my singing Schnauzer Max to sleep a couple weeks ago, and someone ended up with his caller, and the phone number was there, and I ended up hooking up with this technician.
And she said that they had their first case of a cat getting a heartworm.
More interesting than that, she said that there was a human case of heartworm.
Yeah, apparently that fits the, if it's true, but I don't understand why the hell she would make it up.
Anyway, I thought maybe for an open line thing might be interesting.
George laughed at me, but I was saying I've been seeing insects that are mutated, you know.
I mean, I've been catching them and so forth.
And another guy that's a teacher found some up here in Northern California, too, and he saw the same thing I saw, four-legged earwigs and eight-legged insects with head thorax and abdomen.
Insects with eight legs.
Anyway, I'd like to say hi to my old Dutch sailing friend, Big Owl, too.
I'm right outside of a place called Law Fields in California here.
All right.
And it's something I just gotta tell you.
I phoned in one time and told it to George.
I don't know if he took me serious or not, but I heard another guy call in on your show and said something similar, and this has been eating at me away.
One time, it's got something to do about different dimensions.
This is a serious thought.
Now, one time I just bought a brand new car back in 88, and I was fumbling with the radio and driving at the same time.
I was on my way to the store.
I just told my wife, baby, I'm going to run to the store.
I'll be right back.
Okay, now, while I was fumbing with that radio, I made a mistake and I ran the red light, and the car coming the opposite way passed right through me.
I'm actually in our RV and we're, I don't know, like 200 miles north of Las Vegas.
And that picture was sent back to the page by internet, by an internet service that I have, so that, you know, I need internet in the coach, right?
And we've got cameras in there, and so that was pretty cool.
We were about 200 miles from north of Las Vegas when we took that photograph.
Anyway, coming up in a moment, one of my favorite topics of all time, really, or current time anyway, is mass consciousness and consciousness itself.
And so Dr. Garland Landreth, he was the first to publish in a conservative, peer-reviewed scientific journal about how the thoughts of individuals can actually influence the outer world by reducing such variables as crime, automobile accidents, even suicides.
His research found that within our minds, we have the ability to decrease these negative variables simply by our thoughts alone.
His research has been published in numerous peer-reviewed scientific journals.
He's also taught at numerous psychology classes at major universities and even at the federal penitentiary at Leavenworth.
At his first opportunity, he traveled to the Far East and studied several years in China and India in an attempt to understand the meaning of this life.
Oh, I've got a good question for him then.
During this time, he lived as a monk while studying with some great teachers.
Dr. Landruth received his master's in social psychology at the University of Kansas and later achieved his Ph.D. in psychology.
He has had thousands of individual and group training sessions that have helped clients become more attuned with their intuition and achieve a greater ability to listen to their own inner wisdom.
in a moment dr landris And now, Dr. Garland Landrith.
And it's actually in the past 10 years, I would say about 20 years ago, people did not, most scientists did not think that cats and dogs had the ability to self-reflect.
But recent research has been finding that indeed cats and dogs probably do have self-awareness.
Maybe not as developed as ours, but they definitely have a self-awareness.
And, you know, because most Western scientists have considered consciousness simply to be a byproduct of brain material, and hence has very little relevance.
The research that you've been doing with mass consciousness things, the things that I've been involved with, and many others, have demonstrated that consciousness is far more than just a byproduct of brain activity.
And you and I are probably going to run into a brick wall somewhere along here because in reading what I read at the beginning of the program, you're advocating, if I have this right, you're advocating the use of this power to decrease the negative variables that might be out there, like suicidal people, that sort of thing, with this power.
I'm saying that, this is an interesting one because you're bringing up a very in-depth kind of discussion here at the very beginning.
I would say that when you have more of that creative, positive force being stimulated, then those things go naturally down.
It's not that you go out and you can, although you have demonstrated that you can do it by your intention alone, but this also can be done in another way through reducing the creative forces of energy.
I mean, increasing the creative forces of energy.
It's a little bit different than intention.
Well, because, okay, let me give you some examples.
There's some studies that have been done on group consciousness.
And when you have the intention to change these machines, then you can change them with more ones or more zeros.
Now, granted, the effect is rather small, but it's very consistent and it's been replicated thousands of times.
And another thing that he was measuring was the group consciousness effect of large groups attending to huge events, like the Olympic ceremonies, for instance.
And the Olympic ceremonies, I think it was one in 1996.
They weren't attending to these machines.
They were attending to the Olympic ceremonies.
And so, but what's interesting, these machines were in place, and so they would tend to be less random during the Olympic ceremonies.
Now, what's really intriguing is during the commercials, they went back to being random.
I've got a little software program called Shape Tech that was put out for a while.
It's no longer available, to the best of my understanding.
But it was put out by Para Inc., and it gave you an opportunity to, on your computer, drag down the picture of your choice.
For example, I can drag a globe down on the left, and I can drag random white noise down on the right.
And then it's called chaos.
And on the other, you've got a picture of Earth.
And then once you start the program running, your job is to make either the Earth appear solidly or the random noise appear solidly, whichever you choose.
And then it will time you and rate you.
And this is a very, very interesting program.
And I found pretty scary results with it, Doctor.
I can sit here and I can force on average 70 to 80 percent of the time I'm a winner.
Well, we've been measuring stuff at a very, very, you know, physics has got even electron microscopes where we can look at electrons, you know, and everything like that.
So, of course, our sophistication in brain technology is not nearly as advanced as they are in physics.
One of the research studies, for instance, found that if you have a negative photograph and you're going to be presented with that negative photograph and you have also a positive photograph, the study was actually looking at how we react before the photographs were presented to us.
So what they did is they randomly presented us with these two photographs, a real negative, gruesome photograph, like a photograph of somebody in the morgue.
And lo and behold, they were using GSR machines, which are similar to a lie detector.
They measure anxiety by measuring the skin conductance in your skin.
And they found that these people knew what was going to happen before it was actually going to happen by their body's reaction.
in other words the body would give off this anxiety about two or three seconds before the actual negative picture was there but it not did not have the same anxiety before the positive picture you know that's that's remarkably likely experiments with the uh i think it was heads of lettuce or plants um that uh that knew the
Now, this has been going on for, I don't know, a couple of years maybe or more.
A couple years.
No, a little more than that.
And what I stumbled into was, to me, a little bit frightening, to be honest with you.
Yeah, totally intriguing, you know, and I went stumbling into it like a kid, kind of, hardly thinking about it.
And then I began to think about it.
When I really began to think about it, it scared me.
And I backed up from it quite quickly.
And in fact, I quickly had Dean Raden on the air.
I'll get into all of this when we come back.
We've got to take a break, Doctor.
It's the bottom of the hour from the high desert, the middle of the night.
We're discussing consciousness and now mass directed consciousness.
The very thing we've experimented with quite some number of times on this very program.
Stay right where you are.
unidentified
I'm falling down a spiral.
That's the best job.
Double-cross messenger all alone Can't get no connection, can't get through Where are you?
Well, the man is living on his guilty mind Less far from the borderline When the hitman comes, he knows damn well He has been cheated He says As I'm stepping into the twilight zone This is in that house Feels like getting cold My people can't move I'm not
moving, stop Where am I to go Now that I've fallen too far As I'm stepping into the twilight zone This is in that house Feels like getting cold My people can't move Even if I can't move At the moon and star Every blow Now that I've lost Far still The ground road When the bullet hits the bone So go
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We deal in things on this program that are, you know, at the fringe.
They're at the edge.
There's no question about it.
That's what we do here.
That's what we're all about.
And so maybe it was a natural thing for this to fall into the hands of a talk show host doing a program on this kind of material.
Whatever it was, you know, whether it was remote influencing that we were discussing or whether it was the study at Princeton that came up.
I think that came up a little later, though.
And whatever it was that we were doing at the time, I decided foolishly, you know, as a talk show, I thought, hey, I've got millions of people out there.
What happens if I have them concentrate on getting something massive done?
Hey, let's try to produce rain.
And there was a, you know, there was a drought going on in Florida, one down in Texas, I think, one up in the northwest and Canada.
And I said, let's play with making rain.
And so every couple of weeks or so, for a while, I had millions of people actually take a devoted moment out and concentrate on making rain in a place where there was a forecast for no rain, where they were suffering.
And I'll be damned if it didn't rain.
And I mean within the hour it rained.
No clouds.
Clouds formed.
It rained.
I swear to you, it happened.
Some of you were here.
You know it happened.
We went to work for some people who had hopeless diagnosis.
It worked.
They recovered.
It did incredible things.
9, 10, 11 times.
I forget how many experiments we did.
But then I began thinking about what I was doing.
And people began writing to me suggesting we alter the path of hurricanes away from the coast, the noble goal, you know, that kind of thing.
But then I thought, eventually, doctor, I thought, you know what?
I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
And while it might be fun to direct consciousness toward pushing a hurricane off coast, maybe we'd succeed.
And maybe it would build up to a category five and kill thousands of people when it finally did come ashore.
I thought, the law of unintended consequences.
I don't know what I'm doing.
Maybe that was some little wisdom creeping in.
I had Dean Raden on the show.
I asked Dean, Dean, I'm feeling not comfortable with continuing with this until I understand it.
He agreed.
Smart move art.
Don't play with it until you know what you're playing with.
And of course, then, you know, Doctor, it might be worthwhile for you to explain.
The people at Princeton who are doing these experiments that I began hearing about and that Dean Raden told me about are not happy about them becoming public at all.
And the reason, Doctor, they're not happy is because the mere fact of the public knowing they're going on, they're afraid will foul their scientific results.
I understand that fear.
But maybe you can explain, you might as well, at least to some extent, what they've done at Princeton.
Well, the stuff at Princeton, I think I kind of gave you a brief synopsis of it, but it's one of the most exciting kinds of research that has been done.
What they're doing is they're showing that groups of individuals, when they are kind of focusing on one event, can actually change the behavior of machines.
Yeah, and they have them all over in different parts of the country.
And what they're doing is they're just monitoring the randomness of these machines while at the same time they're monitoring the current events that are going on.
Okay, in other words, folks, these machines are spitting out, as you suggested earlier, ones and zeros, random ones and zeros, zero, zero, zero, one, one, one, zero, zero, one, zero, one, zero, whatever, random.
That's what the computer's job is.
And so they monitor this all around the world, these eggs, and they all report back to Princeton.
And then they also watch world events like 9-11.
And of course, what startled me and the world, Doctor, was when they produced the graph showing us 9-11.
But I do understand your hesitancy, and I think there is, in some ways, I don't think if it were, here's the angle on this that I would take, and it's probably different than other people you might have talked to about before.
I think in order for you to actually be able to do it, you have to be contacting some source of law of nature that would allow it to happen.
I don't think you can actually violate too many laws of nature by allowing it to happen.
However, there's a caveat here.
I think in order to actually gain the powers of the mind, so to speak, you have to kind of surrender.
And to surrender means we surrender that part of us that would be destructive to gain communion with the creative aspect of nature.
If your book is to be believed, which I think we should, we're already going to be doing it whether we do something with our consciousness or not.
But your point is a good one.
Your point is a very good one.
I think what we do, what a lot of the meditation groups do, is they try to put the mind in a place where the mind is completely positive.
And that involves, again, talking about consciousness.
And in a sense, you know, we'd started talking about consciousness, but one thing I didn't mention was I think that all of the when, in other words, this is a long, long conversation here, because really what I was going to say is the consciousness has several different elements to it.
We normally think of consciousness.
We think of consciousness of something.
Okay, I'm watching something.
I'm seeing something.
I'm feeling something.
But there is something else that's an aspect of consciousness, and that is pure consciousness.
It's different than even self-reflection.
And that pure consciousness is what I think is the basis for all the mystical experience, no matter what you're doing.
When you were having that experience, were you ever had the experience where you might think that you were asleep and then you realized you were awake?
You kind of got a gap in there?
It's usually a fairly common experience.
People, when they think about it, they've had that experience before.
There is a field down there where you can get messages, where you can kind of feel connected with everything in the universe.
And that field is what is termed in, and I think that field, well, you know, I've kind of defined it as pure consciousness, but that field was what I think is the basis for all the mystical experiences.
Well, I think I'm more asking you, this force that we both believe to be real, I think it can probably be directed either way, for good or I mean, good is subjective, really, and or bad, and that's objective, too.
It might depend on which end of the mind knife you're on.
If you violate the laws of nature, you kind of produce karma, and it comes back, and it kind of, if you use it for bad ends, yes, it's true.
I mean, I think you can do it theoretically, but I think in order to really capture the laws of nature and to use it, you have to kind of surrender to it, and that surrender means you're going to be doing far more good than bad.
I think that from what I've read about witchcraft, and I've only known one or two people that have been witches, they don't seem that dissimilar to where I'm at.
That's right.
That doesn't mean, but I kind of have a scientific side to myself, but I have proven this stuff many, many times.
But also, I feel that my position is very similar to those in India and China.
Well, I would concede, for example, that people who create enough discipline and do a great deal of meditation and turn inward and do a great deal of inner reflection and trying to attain higher mental states, that as a general rule, these people are going to be in touch with probably what is right, cosmically right, you know, you don't kill your neighbor.
I know one time I was sitting there in a hotel trying to check into my room, and it was like 3 in the morning, and I couldn't get away because it was such a fascinating guest.
I thought to myself, man, I was cursing you under my breath.
Well, you see, if you're on the road, like all the guys who drive 18-wheelers, they'll tell you, music is okay for a while, but after a while, music almost can become like the dotted white line and has a way of sort of hypnotizing you.
Where talk radio, for example, is intellectually stimulating and constantly changing.
And so that does keep you alert at a level that, who the heck knows, it might save your life.
You might be awake enough to be alert enough to avoid an accident that otherwise would have taken you out.
Well, there was a time in the world, not very long ago, when we didn't have telephones, we didn't have radio and television, we didn't have the internet, we didn't have all the gazillions of things now that let us all know and join in with the celebration at NASA as this thing lands successfully on Mars.
We didn't have that.
We had a world where, you know, a guy on a horse would take news from one place to another, and people didn't know about things simultaneously at exactly the same instant, large world events, like that, for example, when we land something successfully on Mars.
So if there is this consciousness and this power, then there surely must be a gigantic influence on it by the mass media and by the communications the world has now.
And I think that's an indication of the collective consciousness, which is something I'm not sure anybody's ever brought that idea up on your show or not.
Well, even though I'm with you all the way, people really do tend to make discoveries at about the same time and have insights at about the same literal moment almost.
But again, there's got to be some influence of shared instant information.
You know, and it's not so far-fetched because people were worried about it.
I think that the collective consciousness, here's another analogy we can use for this.
And this is, because these concepts are hard to understand.
Let's look at, instead of looking at us as being separate from each other, let's look at us as being, like, let's look at this whole universe as being one huge ocean.
And instead of us being separate, we are separate in a way, but we're joined together like we're like little separate waves, but we're joined together by the ocean.
And this ocean then is what they call pure consciousness.
Now, if you look at physics, quantum physics, what we see around us is all separate.
But when you look at quantum physics, it's not separate.
And so here in maybe an answer for a lot of your questions, because your questions are brilliant.
And they are not easy to answer in 25 words or less.
But the research is out there, and you cannot dispute the research.
Well, actually, a lot of people are disputing the research, but it's just too big, and Things are happening too much, and too many different research people, everything from the prayer research to the meditation research to the people from Princeton.
They're all separate, and they're all doing amazing, incredible discoveries.
Well, the war experiment started as a result of the research that I did on crimes and automobile accidents and things like that.
And firstly, they wanted to know why this research, why this was even happening.
So we did another study.
Now, this one, you'll love this one.
There was a course going on in Amherst, Massachusetts.
And the purpose of this study was to see whether people meditating 1,500 miles away could influence the brain waves in the laboratory.
In other words, the brain.
Yes.
And those weak brain waves we talked about earlier.
and uh...
so when they're doing a meditation in amherst massachusetts we were measuring the brainwaves of people in iowa and finding Now, here's an interesting point that I need to tell you.
You know, I don't want to blow it for Princeton or for you or for anybody else's experiment, but I can't rule this topic out as something not to talk about.
Uh it's been amazing and it is amazing and it's still something that um I I actually have it's a s I guess I have a sense of wonderment about it and awe.
about it.
I really do.
I mean, it's just an amazing thing, and we're kind of on the edge of this and just beginning to learn, just beginning to learn what this is all about.
But I have a feeling at the end of this road, I've said it on the air a whole bunch of of times, it could turn out to be the most powerful force in the universe.
The people at the journal, the journal editors, and also was peer-reviewed, because in order to get in one of those journals, you have to get reviewed by some conservative psychology, you know, conservative scientists.
They said it was the best designed EEG study they'd ever seen.
They couldn't throw it out because we had deceptive.
I did the research part of it, and I was just one cog and four or five other people that were working with me.
And I didn't know what data I was looking at.
I didn't know whether the person was, I was looking at a person that was where he was in the particular study.
So because you have to do it that way in order to make sure that there's no experimental bias, especially with something like this, because everybody's going to try to tear it apart.
Now, what do you think it takes, backing up a little bit, for a person to become attuned with when part of his brain is lighting up over something that's about to occur?
I mean, it's something that could save your life if you could learn to develop it.
That is the, what is it, the $84,000, the $64,000 question?
I think the only way that you can do this, because I think that there's a part of the brain, what I call the, well, actually not what I call that, I mean, what is termed a reptilian part of the brain.
And this is a protection mechanism that is built into our brains.
In other words, our brains are wired for protection.
But unfortunately, the brains, by protecting ourselves, also tend to close off the ability to experience these things that we've been talking about.
So the trick is to rewire the brain, change the way the brain actually perceives things, which gets us back again to the pure consciousness idea we talked about in the first hour.
And because if you look about it, you think about it, you know, there's some commonalities with the mystical experience or the experience that we've been talking about, and that's that the person isn't aware.
To become aware, you have to be open.
You have to open up.
And this process of Opening up sometimes is very difficult for people to do.
So they have to be able to have the mind quiet, and that shuts down those defensive mechanisms that are innate inside of us.
Yes, but they aren't found in all the, what do you call it, the baby formulas.
Except I think they just add one now.
The FDA finally approved one.
So all of us that didn't get breastfed, and all of us that used those baby formulas, never got all those brain-growing nutrients because they're not usually in our diet.
No, actually, what I have people do that are like that is I have them go get a vegetable juice cocktail, and I have them put an apple in it so it tastes a little bit like apple juice.
And they get all their stuff in one drink, and then they can eat whatever they want.
Okay, so we don't have to consume lima beans or something truly ugly to grow new brain cells.
Okay, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
That's interesting.
That's the first person that's ever told me you can actually grow new brain cells, and it figures it would be vegetables, doesn't it?
Or maybe that special drink.
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Well, what we did, the first study that I did actually was in 1976, and we looked at the population of the, we took a bunch of cities and we found out the crimes.
And the crime, of course, is crime rates are reported to the FBI on an annual basis.
So as soon as the city hit the 1% level of meditators, the crime rates dropped dramatically.
Now, when I first started doing this, I thought I would have to do some kind of intricate statistical analysis to actually make this work.
It didn't.
It was so clear and simple and dramatic, it blew me away.
So we waited a few more years.
We looked at these same cities over a 12-year period because we were afraid it was just an artifact.
Whenever you look at things, it's always better to look at longer term than just one.
So we eventually got this study published in the Journal of Crime and Justice.
But it was a 12-year period.
The control cities and the regular 1% cities acted the same until the 1% hitties got about 1% of the population meditating.
And then they dropped dramatically in crime.
And they stayed that way over six years following that event.
So it wasn't, and meanwhile, the other cities who were controls went up in crime.
And the beautiful part about this is these are real-life experiments, not laboratory experiments.
Now, what's interesting is, in psychology, what has been found is that people, when they're in a lab experiment, don't behave normally.
So since most psychological experiments are done in labs, there's a whole group of scientists that say that maybe all these psychological studies could be thrown out because people aren't behaving like they normally would in real life.
So as a result of this, they started doing some experiments to see if this was, you know, take groups of meditators to certain places and see if we could actually change the crime rates, change the quality of life in the areas.
And I think they had four different major universities or five different major universities who were involved with the methodology, so it was completely out of the research, it was completely out of the meditators' hands.
But they predicted they were going to reduce the crime while they were there.
They were there for six weeks, and they reduced the crime by over 20%.
And the reason they chose Washington, D.C. is because, first of all, it had a high crime rate.
But I mean, with all of this under our belt, and you've documented quite a bit here, this should add up to a, oh gosh, one of the networks is going to go do a big story on this because there's a lot to tell.
Now, scientists have begun to embrace this information to some degree, but it really should be more in front of the public right now so that there's more done with it.
I think the thing that I want, the reason I wanted to come on your show was to really, really hit people with some of these research studies and show them how powerful these research studies are.
Because I really want people to know that by thinking that we can make a difference in this world, I think if this world has gotten so destructive, and I think you pointed it out in your book really eloquently, but in terms of nature.
But I think we have a severe crisis coming on to our own self.
And I've had silent moments of reflection when I've wondered if putting this sort of thing in the mass conscious, in the minds of millions of people, that there's dire prophecy, that something terrible could happen to the earth.
What that does, when you put that out there, is that like lighting a fuse?
In other words, as we hear about quantum science, I've had quite a few theoretical physicists on.
They suggest that ultimately a quantum computer, for example, might extract information from adjacent dimensions.
It might look across time, as we're talking about the mind doing, and it might actually extract information like a giant Google of the cosmos or something and be able to give you answers that you would not otherwise get when we get to quantum computers.
And of course, then we'll have other issues like artificial intelligence and machine consciousness.
There there were thousands involved in the experiment, correct?
So that would clearly indicate that somebody believes that the power of many minds with directed intent would be more powerful than a single mind, yes?
Also, whether the mind is quiet or not, because the more quiet the mind is, the more powerful the mind is.
If there's anxiety in the mind, it doesn't have the same kind of effect than if the mind is very quiet.
And that's why we think that we're getting such huge effects with small numbers of meditators.
For instance, in one of Dean Radden's studies, he actually looked at a group of meditators.
He has these machines running all the time.
So he went back and we were saying, okay, we just had a course.
It was after September 11th, I believe.
Hold a second.
What was it after?
September 11th?
It was after one of those things.
But it was long enough afterwards the machines had gotten back to randomness again.
I think it was after September 11th.
They had a course to kind of quiet the consciousness of the United States.
The theory is, that's what the TM group says, is that when you have lots of negative thoughts, it has an influence on the destructive element of creation.
There's two elements to creation, there's the destructive and the creative.
When there's an imbalance, you meditate.
You don't even have to direct your thoughts.
All you have to do is meditate, sit in that quietness.
It stimulates the creative element of, helps create more balance between the two.
That's the theory.
That's how they talk about it.
So what they were doing is they were just having a course of about 1,600 people.
Well, they got similar results with that 1,600 people meditating in one spot as they did when 1 billion people were watching the O.J. Simpson trial on the machines.
So, in other words, when they have a billion people watching a trial, you've got these machines going crazy, producing non-random events.
And so they got these similar kinds of experience.
So I'm saying when you can reduce the make the mind quieter, you can not only pick up on those cues that we were talking about before in many of those research studies, but also we have an effect on the environment.
The environment becomes more conducive to reducing tensions.
And the theory is that tensions create war.
And war also creates environmental problems.
In other words, if they create more tension in the world, it creates more environmental imbalances.
And that's basically what the Hopis were saying, too, when they were talking about it.
And I love what they had to say, but I would disagree that it's inevitable.
Because I think that if the mind is quantum, it means it can do anything it wants to do at any time, time and space have real no meaning.
So we can kind of circumvent this whole problem if we can somehow get enough people doing the same thing at the same time in support of the laws of nature.
In other words, it may, for example, be a terrible thing, certainly from our perspective, when a gigantic hurricane goes slamming into Florida or Louisiana and kills hundreds or thousands of people.
From our point of view, that's a horrible thing.
But from nature's point of view, it may well be that that hurricane is like something that cools our atmosphere.
It may be nature's way of cooling our atmosphere and equalizing things and something that actually has to happen in the larger scheme.
But from our perspective, it's not so cool when a bunch of people drown.
So that's what I meant when I said, do we really understand the laws of nature?
Or if we begin to manipulate these forces, might we, I mean, wouldn't it be the natural human thing to use this power to our advantage and put the hurricanes off course and the tornadoes and things that we would consider damaging to our own?
Well, yeah, but I'm trying to do it in support, you see, of saying that we don't properly understand this force sufficiently to be just experimenting with it.
I certainly like what you have done in support of the whole process in looking at these stats.
That makes sense to me.
And it just sort of underlines all this as being absolutely real.
But when we get down to the actual use part of it, you say in support of the laws of nature, I just don't know that we properly can interpret them.
Well, has it occurred to you that this is now public enough and obviously has been researched enough with such startling results that the government, and specifically, for example, the Pentagon and those who do war and that sort of thing, that this would have gotten, perhaps has gotten their attention.
You know, I think the people in it's so hard for us to even get conservative scientists to agree to this stuff, even though the research is staring them in the face.
We have now, between the prayer studies, the Princeton group studies, the meditation studies, we have now, with just the group consciousness studies alone, not the individual stuff that we were talking about before, we have probably close to, my guess is 140 or 150 good studies showing, and plus the stuff you did, there's another 10 or 15 of them.
Of course, they weren't, you know, nobody published them or there wasn't any documentation, but they were good studies.
And I have things on there that will help you tune in and quiet your mind so you can pick up on become more intuitive.
I also do some life coaching kinds of things where I teach people how to get over some blocks.
It's a little bit different than psychology.
I tend to like to look at things as being life coach, which is a more positive outlook, instead of eating, you know, a life coach as somebody that helps the person get over to something, a much better place, who's doing fairly good now, but they want to go further.
Well, I wanted to get a background before I went into those because they're so fascinating, but because we had gotten so little press coverage and nobody seemed to realize what's going on with the other studies, we did some demonstrations in actual war zones in the 1980s, and they're quite dramatic.
There's one study, they were done in Lebanon, and this was during those years in the 80s when Lebanon was regularly being shelled.
And what they did is they took a series of, they took about four or five cities, they randomly chose one.
And these were cities that had, on the average, 1,000 shells per year hitting the town over the past three years.
We took one city.
We taught about 1% of them to meditate.
And then what happened was the next year, no shells hit that city.
But meanwhile, they continued shelling the other four cities, which are about a couple miles away.
They continued shelling them for the next year for about 1,000 shells that same way they had.
It's amazing to me that people don't understand it.
I haven't heard about it because they have been attempting to get this knowledge out there because, and that's why they have been doing demonstration projects.
Well, they sent in about 400 or 500 meditators, similar to the Washington, D.C. study.
The reason I brought the other studies up first is because we did similar kinds of things.
And I wanted to explain the research protocol why the research was so powerful.
In other words, instead of just we were looking at raw data.
And before I went to these more extremes, I think these are the most interesting studies we've done.
And they sent them in.
And here they again did the study with independent researchers from several universities in Israel and also in the United States who were consultants on the research methodology.
And what they did there, they looked at all kinds of things from not only crime rates, automobile accidents, fires, and stock market in Israel, but they also looked at things like war deaths and war intensity.
War deaths is easy to measure.
War intensity is, I guess they did it by the amount of battles that were being fought during those three months in 1983.
And so they found that they looked at not only Israel, but also Lebanon and Jerusalem as well.
And of course, they found better quality of life with all the variables I mentioned, including crimes, automobile accidents, fires, and Stock market activity while they were there, and they also found less deaths and decreased war tensions.
And at a national level, I asked you earlier what applications you thought the Defense Department might see here, and you said, well, they don't believe it.
Well, at some point, they're going to, or somebody big is going to.
There's a lot of people who, if they understood this, for example, in the way you just now explained it, to some ears, it might sound like mind control.
I've been thinking about this in the last break, and I want to put it another way.
What you're talking about, I agree with your position.
We're not really butting heads on this issue.
What we're trying to do is understand the different elements that go into this thing.
If, you know, we've kind of touched on all these issues now in the last couple hours.
If pure consciousness, which is that fundamental mystical experience that all different religions seem to have, to some degree, because I can point out St. Augustine quotes and he talks about it and all these kind of different people in the Christian religion too.
If this is the fundamental substratum and if it is equivalent to the vacuum state or the quantum field level in physics, then if we can somehow stimulate it, then we can stimulate all the laws of nature.
Now, we have done, we have shown in numerous experiments that through consciousness alone we can stimulate things.
We can change the behavior of machines.
We can change prayers and done incredible things, good things for people.
But what if we put attention on the quantum field level of consciousness, which would be pure consciousness?
It's the same way.
Maybe it's stimulating the laws of nature so that the laws of nature respond more.
It's not the same as controlling the laws of nature.
It's stimulating them.
And when the meditators go in, they do not think about reducing crimes.
They simply meditate.
And they stimulate what is supposed to be the laws of nature.
The theory is there's a destructive element and then there's a creative element.
And sometimes the destructive element overshadows the creative element.
And I think that's what's happening today.
Your book, the beautiful book you wrote on the environment, displays it perfectly.
And when that happens, nature responds.
Then when you have the destructive element overshadowing the creative element, nature takes issue with it and tries to restore the balance.
And that's why you get all these earthquakes and hurricanes that cause a lot of destruction and all that.
That's the theory.
And so in essence, we're using consciousness not to change people's individuality, not to have mind control.
What we're doing is stimulating the laws of nature of pure consciousness and letting, changing the actual vibrations in the area, the collective consciousness of the area.
All right, now I would like to bring some callers on and see what they have to contribute.
And so let's do that.
I try to get that done in the last hour here.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landrith and Art Bell.
Hi.
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Well, hi, and thanks to both of you for doing the show.
Sure.
Cool.
I have two brief questions, and if we have time, a brief comment.
What do you think, Dr. Landrith, of Deeprak Chopra's idea that basically we already are creating, we already are using these sorts of, I guess you could call them powers,
but in effect putting this sort of thing out thousands of times per second into the quantum field, but in the same way that motion pictures appear to be moving, but they're actually 60 still frames a second, that we're all putting these thoughts and configuring this stuff thousands of times per second, and so it is seamless and apparently invisible.
Second question sort of relates, and it's this idea from a book called Conversations with God written by Neil Donald Walsh.
It was actually on this show a few years back.
Great.
He basically points out that creation is a, or well, It's pointed out in the book that creation is a thought, word, and deed process.
And so while I understand that meditating is one way to do it, I'm wondering what you think of the idea of constantly focused thoughts, words, and deeds in alignment with a particular creation, not only drawing that creation into form, but also helping people tune to opportunities to create on the physical level as well.
I'm not sure I completely understand it, but I like the idea of helping people.
I think that helps create incredible good things in the universe.
Is that more or less what he's talking about there, or is he talking about something else?
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Well, no, it's basically any creation, any sort of manifestation that happens.
You basically do your thoughts, your words, and your deeds all in alignment with the same thing.
In other words, they match.
You think these thoughts about things that you're putting out there, you match your words to them, and then eventually you get to the point where you can Oh, I see.
Yes, I remember, okay, now I understand completely what you're saying.
I think that's the only way to do it.
You have to do it in a holistic way, in a total, in a way where it incorporates more than just thought.
The idea of positive thinking is good, but it's only one element.
And I think you're absolutely correct.
That's a brilliant point.
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And then it also works on the quantum level, too, back to the first question, that all these things are putting these sort of quantum waves out, and that's how they come into form.
But it seems to me that the number of people who are getting together even by the thousands and reducing crime rates or causing fewer automobile accidents or whatever other good they appear to be accomplishing are rather outnumbered by the number of people right now who are thinking that the environment is degrading at a remarkably fast clip.
Oceans are melting.
Ice is melting and becoming oceans in the north part of the world.
The south part of the world is melting and calving.
Perhaps now we look over at religion for a second, and we say, is it logical scientifically that this consciousness in some way survives the physical death of the body?
By the way, that was a very incredible experience, and I think it was, again, an example of consciousness in a quantum field where there's no separation in time.
Yeah, I'm sure that for a Gia B1, you could get a lot of meditators, one way or the other.
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Well, that would probably work, but there's, I think, a far more positive way to do it, and that's to, again, meditate and stimulate those laws of nature and reduce the tensions and increase the creativity of people.
Right now, I think we're in a world crisis.
I mean, I think you've articulated it probably better than anybody I know.
And I am a student of science of mine, and I did at the Agri Casey Foundation.
And Agri Casey was probably the world's foremost psychic who basically touched on the laws of the universe.
And right now there's Esther Hick, Abraham's Peak Hick, I don't know if you've heard of those, where she talked about the law of allowing, the law of attracting.
She basically touches on, which Eric Casey touched on in one of his readings that he did.
Right, and your point Is well, I was asking, he was talking about quantum physics as consciousness is like a science.
Okay, well, it seems to me that what Dr. Landreth has brought us is scientific evidence that appears to be proving the metaphysical in a scientific way.
How do you listen to the message that's in there in your own mind, right?
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Yes.
And for years I've studied martial arts, either karate or kung fu or something like that.
Yes.
I tell this story about this gentleman who was walking behind me at a bar.
He was four people behind me, didn't know him, never met him.
He went to sucker punch me, and I just got the sense to duck, and of course he missed.
He went over top of me.
But when I caught glasses, you know, I'd be walking, and somebody would, I'd be walking by a table or something, and somebody would knock over a glass, and I would reach down and grab it.
But what we did is we trained ourselves to not only listen, but to feel.
And by way of feeling is through the hairs on your arms and things like that.
Whatever it is, it's real and it's there, and some take advantage of it and some don't.
I personally think this way, doctor, that those who are very successful, those who make a lot of money or become, I don't know, very popular or very well known in their field, whatever their field happens to be, are people who have become attuned to this and as a result make quick, instant, correct, frequently more than not decisions.
Yeah, and I think that that's, again, getting back to the issue of pure consciousness.
If we experience that, we're more in accord with the laws of nature, because that's equivalent to the vacuum or the, you know, the quantum field in all of physics.
It stimulates the laws of nature.
We can never know all the laws of nature.
It's impossible.
We're only human beings.
But we can stimulate them and make them more part of us.
It doesn't mean that we'll be the same as everyone else.
It means that those specific laws of nature that are in tuned with us will become more dominant.
Yes, but you see, I get the same nervous tick when I listen to you say that as I do when I listen to the people up at the Heart Project say, we don't have enough power to really do anything to the ionosphere, but we can stimulate it.
The ionosphere, that is.
And that gives me a kind of a nervous tick because sometimes you don't know exactly what's going to happen when you tickle the tail of the tiger.
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The theory is that this stimulates the laws of nature that are particular to you and also particular to the surrounding environment in a beneficial way.
And you can't predict what those, in a sense, what those stimulation will be, only that will reduce the tension in the environment and help make other people make better decisions.
Well, have you ever considered that those who do practice the craft do have knowledge of these laws, perhaps to some greater degree than we do, and their manipulation?
Yeah, I would, you know, again, I think it's entirely possible.
I think they revere the environment, and from what I have, you know, from the little contact I've had with them, and their reverberance of the environment tells me that they appreciate the laws of nature.
Well, it might further erode your research from a credibility point of view to do so, but I'm telling you that eventually you're going to want to look at that.
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I wanted to ask Art Bell and Dr. Landreth to explain the difference between meditating with a blank mind as opposed to meditating by concentrating on a certain problem.
There's a form of Buddhism called Nishiren Shoshu, Soka Gakkai, in which you chant Namyo Horngekyo, Namyo Horingkyo, Namyo Horingkyo, and you try to attain things in this lifetime.
Millions of Japanese believe in this, and others around the world, for that matter.
They believe that it is reasonable to go into a state of meditation, which chanting is, sort of, and try and obtain a material thing, a raise or a promotion at work or a new refrigerator or whatever you happen to need, going for material things.
I'm actually an SGI member out here, and I thought it was kind of odd that you just brought that up because that was one of the things I've been trying to call in and ask about that, you know, one of the things we meditate is the oneness of self and the environment and how that relates to what he was talking about, the consciousness.
And, you know, you have all these positive thinking people, you know, saying that, you know, if you think negative, negative things are going to happen.
If you think positive, positive things are going to happen.
And why can't we apply this to the war that's going on?
And I'm sure there's more people praying for the war to end than there are the fanaticism of the people that are trying to cause it.
So why can't we change those negative things into a positive thing?
He was basically saying we have the war going on and terrorism, and I'm paraphrasing here, but why can we not get some sort of mass meditation that would change something at that level, moderate and stop a war, stop people from fighting with each other and wanting to kill each other and whatever all?
When he was giving a definition of what transcendental meditation is, it's commonly known by all of the viewers on your show, most of them, I think, that thought manifests physical reality, collectively and individually.