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Jan. 24, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Garland Landrith - Mass Consciousness

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	From the high desert and the great desert to the desert.
	And the great American Southwest.
	I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning.
	Whatever time of day it may be in all the prolific time zones circling the world.
	We cover them all with this program known as Coast to Coast AM.
	This would be the weekend edition of SANE.
	I'm Art Bell.
	How you doing?
	It's great to be here.
	Really is nice to be here.
	Looking forward to this all week long.
	We will have open lines this hour, and as a matter of fact, We're going to have open lines tomorrow night all night long.
	And then later this hour, we're going to be talking about mass consciousness, which is one of my favorite subjects with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	We'll see what he has to say about the subject.
	But it is one of the most intriguing... And I'm not even sure what to say about it.
	The power of the mind may be the ultimate power in the universe.
	Maybe that's true.
	All right, a little bit of news.
	NASA's Opportunity rover landed on Mars a little while ago, arriving at the Red Planet just three weeks, exactly three weeks, actually, after its identical twin set down.
	As you know, the rover One is in recovery, I guess.
	They're saying they think they know what's wrong and they're on the track of fixing it and so forth.
	Meanwhile, its twin has landed.
	All is well, and the celebration and shouting went on at NASA, as you can imagine, so we'll get more, yet more, pictures of Mars.
	And by the way, while I'm on the subject, I know that it's irresistibly tempting to take the photographs that are coming back from Mars and put McDonald's and Walmart and little space beings and all kinds of things photoshopped into the Mars pictures.
	It's irresistible!
	But!
	Please stop!
	I've seen them all!
	Believe me, I've seen them all!
	And other than that, I'm still just seeing rocks.
	But that's me.
	Can't see in three dimensions or something, right?
	Looks like rocks.
	Looks like five more of our are dead in Iraq.
	West of Baghdad.
	Iraqi insurgents.
	Separate bombings, narrowly missing an American convoy in a blast that killed four Iraqis, wounded about 40 others north of the capital, so not ours, theirs.
	But five dead.
	Bloody attack occurred as UN security experts began to study the possible return of UN International staff to play a key role in Iraq's transformation to democracy.
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe the U.N.
	will go back.
	Is it any safer today, do you think, than when the U.N.
	said, hey, it's not safe, we're leaving?
	It would not appear so to me.
	Howard Dean sharply questioned John Kerry's judgment on Iraq Saturday as Democratic presidential rivals raced through a final frozen weekend of campaigning up in New Hampshire.
	He said, quote, I would be deeply concerned about the kind of judgment in the White House, end quote, said Dean, the one-time frontrunner who did a screech that has been heard around the world several times, as a matter of fact.
	Secretary of State Colin Powell, I held out the possibility Saturday It might be for the first time that pre-war Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction after all.
	Powell was asked about weapons of mass destruction, and about comments last week by David Kaye, the outgoing leader of the U.S.
	weapons search team in Iraq, that didn't believe Iraq had a large quantity of chemical or biological weapons.
	And let's see...
	With luck, the world will escape the latest outbreak of bird flu, with no more than the six human deaths already blamed on it, and the loss of millions of chickens, but public health experts worry of a much greater disaster, a catastrophe they say is among the worst imaginable, a global outbreak of an entirely new form of human flu.
	There is no clear sign that will happen, Nevertheless, bird influenza's sudden sweep through Asia, along with its tendency for wholesale mutation, have left many wondering about the bug's potential for rampant spread among humans.
	It is a possibility the medical journal The Lancet calls massively frightening.
	It is massively frightening.
	It really is.
	The fact that more and more species jumps appear.
	By the way, that was the Associated Press that I just read you, the hourly news from the Associated Press.
	Just so you know where that came from, no scare stuff, just in the regular old five-minute summary.
	More and more species jumping going on.
	What do you make out of that?
	And out of this, what do you make?
	A security guard at BASF, the chemical plant, was shot in the shoulder Saturday after he approached a suspicious truck and talked to a man who said that he had been taking pictures.
	The guard's name was not released, but Freeport Police said that he was doing well at a hospital following the Friday night shooting.
	The guard told police the gunman was a man described as a man of Middle Eastern descent with bushy hair and a mustache.
	The man was driving a white pickup with tinted windows and a black stripe.
	Now, the plant has a very, very large ammonia tank.
	And I, of course, they go on to say they have no indication here that it is terrorist related, but Boy, it sure sounds like it, doesn't it?
	And here's one that you ought to catch up on.
	Remember the story... Do you remember the story about the pilot who ran his plane into the Colorado Rockies?
	Nobody could figure out.
	Well, they still don't know.
	Air Force investigators have concluded, though, that Robert Craig Button Whose A-10 jet mysteriously crashed in the Colorado Rockies after breaking away from formation during a training run in April, probably committed suicide.
	This from CNN.
	They learned in a report due out Monday that military investigators are going to call the incident a case of spontaneous or unpremeditated suicide.
	Largely because they have ruled out any other explanation for the crash.
	That's interesting.
	Spontaneous or unpremeditated suicide?
	Because you don't have any other answer.
	No evidence, but was contemplating suicide.
	He didn't get his affairs in order or report that he'd received a call, you know, from his significant other.
	That's not true.
	Turned out to be not true.
	No drugs, no alcohol involved.
	So I guess they're going to call it Unpremeditated or spontaneous suicide?
	Strange stuff.
	Open lines coming up.
	Stay right where you are.
	All of you know the phone numbers, so grab a telephone and join in.
	Once again, the big news of the hour, of course, we are once again within the hour and a little more safely down on Mars and rover number one is in recovery and things are looking good according to the scientists anyway once again don't forget tomorrow night tomorrow night we'll have a complete open line program which means anything you want to talk about but I'm always up for as you know when I do an open line show I'm always up for special lines so
	If you have something, some favorite subject that you would like to see
	ruminated upon at some depth you might email me at one of my operative email addresses
	artbell at minespring dot com or artbell at aol dot com that's a-r-t-b-e-l-l lowercase at a-o-l or minespring
	either one will get to me. So to the lines we go, east of the Rockies
	you are on the air. Hello. Yes sir. Hi.
	I'd like you to explain how the wonderful missions to Mars that
	succeed occur in the middle of your program.
	You...
	Usually, conveniently, about an hour before my program with the last Mars probe.
	And this Mars probe, I have no idea, sir.
	It's good timing.
	I don't know.
	Could you get somebody to justify our space expenses by asteroid detection expenses?
	Somebody like Lloyd is the one that has to re-insure some of this damage.
	Well, that's interesting.
	We, of course, we have a great danger that is circling and circling and circling and in orbit and comes by the Earth every now and then, all of these rock-like objects.
	Rock-like objects.
	That's what they are, though, and some of them bigger than others.
	We know, I think we know of about 10% of them And about 90% we don't know about.
	I think that's an appropriate figure.
	And, of course, without any warning whatsoever, one of these objects could strike the Earth, doing to us what was done to the dinosaurs.
	Imagine that in the blink of an eye.
	Just like that.
	No warning.
	It came out of the sun.
	Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Chris.
	Hey, Chris.
	Up in Fairbanks, Alaska.
	We're sailing an AM 970 kayak.
	Way up north.
	Yep.
	It's actually warmer up here than the East Coast again.
	Is it really?
	Mm-hmm.
	How warm?
	One above.
	All of one above?
	Well, it was up to 10 today.
	Short and too short weather.
	Uh-huh.
	Yes.
	One of the things I wanted to talk about was the mass consciousness experiments.
	Oh.
	Oh, yes.
	And I'd actually decided to set up a site to try and conduct these.
	I got an email address and everything for it.
	I was wondering if I could give that out on the air.
	Let's back up a little bit.
	What kind of mass consciousness experiments would you be conducting?
	The FBI Top Ten Most Wanted List, for instance.
	If we could actually use mass consciousness to capture them.
	Stuff like that.
	Alright.
	Let me slow you up here.
	Alright.
	I We don't know yet enough about this power, and it may be a very great power indeed, in my opinion, to go willy-nilly experimenting, no matter how laudable the cause may seem.
	Now, maybe I can have my mind changed on that, but we don't understand enough of this power, and or the way events work.
	Let me give you a what-if, all right?
	Okay.
	That you had a mass consciousness experiment and so-and-so was captured.
	Well, suppose the way the cosmos really works is that as bad as that so-and-so was, he was going to do something that would end up, oh God, who knows, you know, saving a president's life or something.
	I mean, you're tampering with forces that you don't understand, and I don't.
	Well, if it's going to actually happen that way, then I think God would intervene in it.
	Oh, well, I don't know.
	There's this free will thing.
	And maybe part of it includes the use of a power like this.
	So my answer to you is that I would prefer not to be part of that kind of experiment until I know more.
	Well, the other thing I wanted to get a hold of, too, was people out there seem to have these weird coincidences that go on in their lives.
	Yes.
	This one guy this week was talking about how he's planning to go to Gettysburg, and he was sorting mail from New York City, and all of a sudden this postcard slipped out with the Gettysburg picture on it.
	And I want to try and get a hold of some of those.
	It's not exactly an uncommon thing.
	I mean, if you're sorting mail, Gettysburg is a pretty common pictorial site, right?
	From New York City?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, if you're sorting mail, it's common on a postcard.
	Yeah, but the postcard came from New York City.
	What were they doing with the Gettysburg postcard?
	We don't even have them up here.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	I know, but... No, I don't know.
	There are... I mean, there are people who say there are no such thing as coincidences.
	Well, yes, there are.
	There are coincidences.
	I suppose you can use that phrase with a broad stroke to try and impart some sort of meaning, but there are, in fact, Coincidences.
	Things do happen that are coincidences.
	And as our mind tries to make sense, for example, of misshapen objects on Mars that we see a little blurry, like the clouds, you know?
	Whoa, there's Uncle Fred!
	Look at that!
	You know, and it's the same sort of thing.
	We have Gettysburg on the mind and we see Gettysburg and we think, Paranormal occurrence?
	Well, maybe not.
	Maybe it is a coincidence.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, this is Chris from Colorado.
	Hey Chris.
	I love your show and such a pleasure to talk to you.
	Thank you.
	A little nervous here.
	Something happened to me about 25 years ago and I figured with your experience maybe you can tell me what it was.
	My sister and I, we grew up in Wisconsin and one night We went to bed and our beds, we had twin beds, they run parallel.
	I saw this green glowing object under my sister's bed.
	So the next morning I get up thinking it's some glow-in-the-dark ball or something.
	Let me stop you right there.
	Didn't you, what's your sister's name?
	My sister's name is Lynn.
	Lynn.
	Well, if you woke up in the middle of the night and saw a green glowing object under Lynn's bed, why didn't you say, There's something glowing under your bed!
	I did!
	I did!
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah, I did, and at the time, in the beginning, we thought nothing of it.
	We thought, because we were kids in our early teens, we thought we left something there.
	So, the next morning, I get up and I go, look, there's nothing there.
	Well, the next night, it's back.
	Now, I'm thinking, I had an older brother.
	I thought, okay, he's playing a joke on me.
	And so, once again, I tell him, stop it.
	We know you're doing something.
	He's like, he had nothing.
	He didn't know what we were talking about.
	Well, then, the next night, If it appears under my bed.
	And then the night after that, I see it under our desk.
	The night after that, my sister sees it under the dresser.
	And of course, we're freaked out.
	You know, we're 13, 12 years old.
	And we're like, you know, you get up and go look.
	I'm not getting up and going to look.
	Well, finally, it went on about a week.
	And I get up the courage and I say to it, OK, we see you.
	We know you're here.
	Go away.
	Leave us alone.
	And we never saw it again.
	Well, let me tell you something.
	Young, free, peasant, Like young ladies like yourself and your sister.
	Stuff like that happens around them.
	Because they have all kinds of raging hormones and stuff and they produce... No, don't laugh.
	It's very well documented and they produce anomalous things like that around them.
	Okay.
	So, think about that.
	Could be.
	Okay.
	Alright?
	Later.
	Wild Card Line.
	You would have been on the air.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	You're on the air.
	Surprise!
	I'm sorry.
	Don't be sorry.
	You don't have to be sorry.
	I'm calling from Indiana, 1070.
	Yes, sir.
	And I'm fairly new to the program, but I've noticed a lot of people call seeing things in southern Indiana.
	And I'm going to be doing some gardening down there this summer, kind of in a secluded area.
	Yeah.
	And it's kind of worried me about the amount of people that call in from southern Indiana.
	I was wondering with your experience if you know of any UFO repellent or alien repellent or something just to put my mind at ease.
	Well, yes.
	Actually, we have a combination spray, alien and UFO repellent.
	$19.95.
	Excellent.
	Absolute results guaranteed or your money back if you make it back.
	Right.
	Well, I've noticed a lot of people call in from that area.
	I kind of freaked out because I'm going to be in some pretty secluded areas all summer.
	Yes, dark areas, gardening.
	Dark wooded areas.
	Where things could come out of the bushes and from behind the trees and you could be part of the ground before you know what hit you.
	Yeah.
	Well, have a good summer.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Wes with the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi Art.
	This is Edna.
	I'm in Montrose, California, which is near L.A.
	Hey Edna.
	Hey.
	A couple things.
	You know, there's no Tesla Museum in the United States.
	Tesla Museum?
	You're right, there isn't, is there?
	The only museum I know about is in what they used to call Yugoslavia, Serbia, in Belgrade.
	Now why do you suppose that is?
	I don't know, he did most of his...
	Inventing or discovering of inventions here in the U.S.
	Why do you think that Tesla has not been appropriately recognized for his contributions?
	The powers that be?
	People trying to keep him out of the... Maybe his contribution was too big?
	That could be.
	That might be.
	And another important question, and I've got to find out about this, Are we ever going to find out or get some Art Bell and Ramona Bell pizza sauce?
	Well, I don't know.
	That's a very good question.
	Pizza punch, we called it.
	Remember?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, I don't have the answer to that question.
	I still don't.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't.
	It's a long story, but in Paris, we went to this very interesting little tiny restaurant run by an Italian on the outskirts of Paris and he had this incredible sauce that we put on a cheese pizza there and Ramona being very talented at discerning what's in a bottle and he brought this bottle out with all these ingredients you know you could see them all floating in there and oh my god it was good on pizza it was really good and Ramona identified and then replicated back-engineered if you will
	The pizza sauce when we got home.
	And she nailed it, I'll tell you right now, because... I love that stuff.
	I love it.
	However, we have never divulged the contents.
	Least yet.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell, and we'll be accompanying you all night long.
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	Oh, the night is my world City lights, painted girls In the day, nothing matters It's the night
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	I'm Art Bell, and we're rockin' right now in open lines.
	So, those are the numbers.
	Join us in the next hour.
	We're gonna be talking about mass consciousness.
	800-893-0903 Top of the morning everybody, I'm Art Bell and we're
	rocking right now in open lines so those are the numbers. Join us in the next hour.
	We're going to be talking about mass consciousness.
	As you know, one of the very last things that I explored in the full-time show
	and I continue to explore throughout the time that I get to spend with you on weekends.
	I think, I think consciousness, mass consciousness, directed consciousness, may be the most powerful force in the universe.
	We'll be right back.
	Right back into the...
	Night time, as it were, and all of you.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air, Coast to Coast AM on the International Line.
	What is your name?
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Oh, hi.
	Yes, it's you.
	It's you.
	What is your first name?
	Kevin.
	OK, Kevin, what's up?
	OK, so I was actually going to see if your guest would discuss symbolism at all.
	I don't know.
	He's not here yet.
	Oh, he's not?
	No.
	OK.
	Haven't you been listening?
	Pardon me?
	Haven't you been listening?
	Well, you usually tell us to turn off the radio, so I guess I turned it off, didn't I?
	Well, if you have any thoughts on mass consciousness, which is what he'll be talking about when he does get here, you're welcome to express them.
	What do you think?
	Well, I guess my interest lies in programming and symbolism, as we grew up.
	Programming and symbolism.
	Yeah, we're programmed through our surroundings and people around us, etc.
	I find it interesting that as you get older, your programming exists, and we're all programmed together with the same surroundings around us.
	I find that an interesting topic, and I wonder if maybe you could ask your guest about that.
	I will.
	It is interesting.
	Very interesting, actually.
	We are all programmed by our environment, right?
	By the things that happen to us.
	By the news that we see every day, by the shared experiences we have, and this has a fascinating impact on a society.
	I mean, potentially, think about it a little bit.
	In the old days, before mass communications, we were still all shaped by our environment.
	But the difference Now is that our environment is so connected that we're all influenced by exactly the same things.
	We watch CNN or CNN International.
	We have the internet where ideas are spread at the speed of light.
	We have so much interconnectivity that our environment is so similar that I don't know.
	How do you think that's affecting us?
	Do you think it actually might slow the process of evolution, for example?
	There are many who maintain that the process of evolution itself occurs because of large, dramatic, traumatic events like rocks falling from the heavens, you know, and wiping out the dinosaurs and allowing man to come forth.
	That's what creates the leaps in evolution.
	Well, do you get those kinds of leaps when you have a homogenized world in touch with itself?
	I don't know.
	Interesting.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Now you're on the air.
	Hello.
	ASMR?
	Yes.
	Yes, sir.
	In Santa Maria, California.
	And your first name?
	Steve.
	Steve, okay.
	Long-time listeners.
	First time I call, obviously.
	Well, thank you for not abusing the first-time caller line.
	Two things that kind of blend into one.
	Weapons of mass destruction, and the thing about all the hoopla about can we afford to go to Mars and the moon.
	Maybe if we find the weapons of mass destruction, we can blow ourselves to the moon.
	That's true.
	And my big question, which I hear nobody asking is, where are they?
	Not, did he have them?
	Oh no, they are asking that.
	Well, they're asking both.
	Were they ever really there in the first place?
	And secondly, of course, where the hell are they?
	Well, unless he lied to the UN in his declaration that he had several, or large amounts of several different types of anthrax included, they were there.
	And if we don't find them, then where are they?
	You're not accusing Saddam Hussein of lying, are you?
	Well, I'd accuse him of almost anything and go to sleep at night.
	Um, yeah, I don't know.
	You know, for the first time, the administration seems to be leaning toward suggesting that even they are beginning to believe there may not have been any weapons of mass destruction.
	There is a new team taking over, and the old team said, uh-uh, they weren't there.
	No way.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	When I hear you talking to Richard C. Hoagland about Mars, Peter Davenport about UFOs and so forth, I always wonder what the rest of the world is doing or thinking about this.
	The other industrialized nations, for instance.
	For instance, if aliens really did crash at Roswell, or if In some other way, we're back-engineering stuff.
	Are the French back-engineering stuff, too?
	Are they having symposia and talking about UFOs the way we are?
	And the whole question of the militarization of space and Richard C. Hoagland's theory that perhaps the Computer control of the rover was interfered with, you know, the programming was taken over, and also, you know, possibly Hubble's going to be blinded on purpose, so nobody will be able to know what's going on.
	All this stuff... Ah, the great conspiracies.
	No, no, no, no, I'm not necessarily saying there are conspiracies, but... Well, there are.
	But we shouldn't only talk about what the thinking is and what's going on in this country.
	Is what I'm trying to say.
	I don't know.
	The French, and you brought them up, they're so self-centered, they probably would think UFOs, if they did land, would only land in Paris anyway.
	No, that could be.
	I don't know what other countries think.
	Thank you very much.
	I think that the Chinese are probably... You know what?
	They're the reason that we're announcing we're going back to the moon.
	Because now we have somebody to race with, right?
	The Chinese.
	They've said they're going to send men to the moon.
	So now we're in a race again.
	Sure.
	Go back to them.
	We can't let China beat us to the moon, even though we've already gone, according to the larger percentage of you out there anyway.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Happy New Year.
	And you, sir.
	This is David from Bryan, Texas.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	And I had a couple of things.
	One had to do with the possible artifacts on Mars.
	Okay.
	And I think that there's a possibility that during Noah's flood, Mars was the planet that brought the ice to the Earth and almost hit it.
	And the oceans may have touched it.
	And the superior people of Noah's day had their own boats trying to survive the flood.
	Yeah.
	And that may be the artifacts at the top of the seas that touched Mars.
	Well, you know, we really can't rule anything out.
	I mean, we could be Martians.
	Well, I was thinking on the order of a hundred mile tidal wave, you know, a hundred mile high, reaching like a teardrop toward Mars, the way the moon pulls the tides.
	If Mars came within about a hundred miles of the Earth, any ice on its surface would have been lost to the Earth.
	Well, all these millions of years ago, we really have no way of knowing what happened, do we?
	We know a couple of things, or we think we know a couple of things.
	One, that there is water on Mars now, probably subterranean.
	As a matter of fact, they found a Mars rock, I'll tell you about that tomorrow, here on Earth, that would seem to suggest also That indeed there was, and you know, there's minerals affected in a certain way by water, and they found that in a rock that they know somehow is from Mars.
	Now don't ask me how they know the rock is from Mars, but... So we think we know there was water there, and there was air there.
	There's every probability with water and air that you might have life.
	All those millions of years ago.
	And then the imagination, of course, goes to work, and we know that Mars got ruined, They lost what atmosphere they had, they lost the surface water, and there was some sort of catastrophic event.
	Could we be Martians?
	Yeah, could be.
	Buster the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, I heart.
	Hi.
	What is your way of pizza sauce recipe, if it comes back a thousandfold or not?
	I don't know.
	It could be a blessing or a curse chronically, huh?
	Yeah, you never know.
	I sure would like to hear it, though.
	I know.
	I know.
	Yeah, I heard a weird thing.
	I talked to a technician from a vet lab yesterday.
	I had to put my singing schnauzer, Max, to sleep a couple of weeks ago, and someone ended up with his caller, and the phone number was there, and I ended up hooking up with his technician.
	They had their first case of a cat getting heartworm.
	More interesting than that, she said that there was a human case of heartworm.
	Heartworm?
	Any human?
	Yeah, I've never ever heard of that.
	And it's supposedly fatal, so you were talking about early diseases earlier.
	Yeah, species jumpers.
	Yeah, apparently that fits the... if it's true, but I don't understand why the hell she would make it up.
	I thought maybe for an open line thing it might be interesting.
	George laughed at me, but I was saying I've been seeing insects that are mutated, you know?
	I mean, I've been catching them and so forth.
	Another guy that's a teacher found some up here in Northern California, too, and he saw the same thing I saw.
	Four-legged earwigs and eight-legged insects with head, thorax, and abdomen.
	Insects with eight legs, anyway.
	I'd like to say hi to my old Dutch sailing friend, Big Al, too.
	I listened to you off the air.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Well, hold that big owl there.
	Thank you very much.
	Mutated insects, huh?
	Well, that would be a very bad sign.
	Very bad.
	Mutated insects.
	Worms.
	Who wants to hear about a worm?
	Can you imagine having a worm in your heart, sitting down in front of your doctor?
	I'm sorry, son.
	We just did an MRI and there's a worm in there.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Shall we dance?
	Huh?
	You're on the air!
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Um.
	Yes?
	Um.
	Um.
	Yes?
	I'm like a kid, you know, and I have a lot of stuff to ask you.
	You what?
	You have a lot to ask me?
	I'm a kid, and I have some questions to ask you.
	Okay, fire away!
	Okay, the first... Who was God before God?
	Who was God before... You are a kid, aren't you?
	Yep.
	Who is God before God?
	Adults are asked these kinds of questions all the time.
	Go out and play.
	I have no way of answering such a question.
	I honestly don't.
	Sorry, there is no quip I can give you or little tiny bit of wisdom that would satisfy you.
	I don't know.
	Nobody knows.
	Okay, and, um, you know those shadow people?
	The shadow people, yes.
	Okay, well, when I'm downstairs playing my game and nobody else is home, um, I'm, like, looking at, like, my dresser, and I see, like, a bunch of shadows walk by, but nobody else is home.
	Is that one?
	Is that a shadow person?
	Yeah, in all likelihood it is.
	Shadow people are something that, uh, came up during my last year of full employment here, and Whatever they are, they're real.
	These are beings that you see usually just in your peripheral vision, you know, just off in the corner of your vision, and they sort of flip by.
	Well, more and more people began seeing them not only in peripheral vision, but straight on, and we just started calling them shadow people, for lack of a better name, because they appear like a shadow, just here and gone, but definitely here, and that's the point.
	Here for a moment, Here in some undetectable way, it is something.
	I don't know what, but it is something.
	Wild Cardline, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Ark.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	I'll try and be brief.
	This past summer, I believe I was buzzed by one of those insect-sized surveillance planes that the government has been developing.
	How small?
	It was about 10 feet away from me, so I would guess it was about It looked kind of like a dragonfly, but it wasn't a dragonfly.
	It had a body that maybe about... So you think our government is building surveillance craft inside what would appear to be a big bug?
	I've read some articles about things like that.
	Yeah, they're developing that to use supposedly against our enemies.
	Wow!
	That's pretty neat!
	But I have a garden and I see all kinds of bugs and birds and things and it's like nothing I've seen before and it was too big to be a dragonfly But that's probably what it most closely resembled.
	And I wanted to call in a couple weeks ago, and you had... You really think it was a government bug?
	Well, I don't know.
	I could have misinterpreted what it was, but it didn't look natural.
	It didn't sound natural.
	It had a very mechanical kind of sound to it.
	It didn't sound like a bug buzzing.
	That's way cool.
	And I wanted to call in a few weeks ago, and you had the robotics guy on, but I didn't have a chance.
	The next time you have somebody who has expertise in that field, I guarantee you I will ask.
	Alright, I appreciate it.
	Alright, take care.
	What a concept.
	The government making bugs.
	Innocent little or not so little bugs.
	Something about the size of a dragonfly.
	To spy on Americans.
	Or our enemies.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey Art, it's Jerry from Knoxville, Tennessee.
	Hey man, about five years ago you played a show from this guy Dr. Reed.
	Oh yes, Dr. Reed and his dog.
	His dog, the dog that got turned inside out by the aliens.
	Yes.
	Hey, if you ever go on vacation or something.
	Would I play that program again?
	Man, that was one of the best shows you ever did.
	I've been listening for about ten years.
	And I played that for some of the guys that I work with.
	They just couldn't believe it.
	Well after we did that program there were many many many many many internet investigations and there are those who claim that they found Dr. Reed or one of his associates that it was all bogus but you know I had him on several times and his story always remained consistent and of course he had photographs And it was, it remains, to me, an intriguing story.
	And I don't know that it's all been busted as some sort of myth, or put on, or any of the rest of it.
	But I know there have been investigations.
	A very, very interesting story.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hey Art, how you doing?
	I'm doing alright.
	Turn your radio off and... It's off.
	It's off.
	Very good.
	You're in a truck, aren't you?
	Yes sir, I am.
	I'm right outside of a place called Lost Hills in California here.
	Alright.
	And it's something I just gotta tell you, Art.
	I phoned in one time and told it to George.
	I don't know if he took me serious or not, but...
	I heard another guy call in on your show and said something similar, and this has been eating at me awake.
	One time, it's got something to do about different dimensions.
	It's a serious art.
	Now, one time I had just bought a brand new car back in 88, and I was thumbing with the radio and driving at the same time.
	I was on my way to the store.
	I just told my wife, baby, I'm going to run to the store.
	I'll be right back.
	Okay, now, while I was filming with that radio, I made a mistake and I ran the red light, and a car coming the opposite way passed right through me.
	Well, believe me when I tell you, I've heard this from not just you, but many people.
	Exactly the same thing.
	And the only thing that I can offer up to you is, Maybe there is cosmic, some kind of cosmic reason for everything and it wasn't your time.
	Yeah, but it's something else to this here.
	Let me tell you what happened later.
	Very quickly.
	Okay, very quickly.
	Okay, so I went on and I never told nobody until I talked with George about it about five months ago.
	Yes.
	Okay, now, back then, before that car passed through me, it was a guy that I knew that had gotten killed.
	And I just saw last week this guy in the paper in the obituary saying that he had just died.
	And I know this guy got killed back in 88.
	I know, I remember it vividly.
	So I was thinking that some kind of way, I must have got knocked into another time zone, another dimension.
	I've got the picture.
	Well, that goes along with like the Nelson Mandela stuff.
	And as far as the car passing through you, buddy, it just wasn't your time.
	That's about all I can offer up.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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	And if you get hurt, if you get hurt by the little things I say
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	Baby, yeah you'll see But aren't you pretty, baby
	Who's gonna love you tonight But aren't you pretty my life
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	By the way, the webcam shot up there of me, I forgot to mention that in the first hour, I'm smiling like a big Cheshire cat.
	I'm actually in our RV, and we're, I don't know, like 200 miles north of Las Vegas, and that picture was sent back to the page by internet, by an internet service that I have, so that, you know, I need internet in the coach, right?
	And we've got cameras in there, and so, that was pretty cool!
	We were about 200 miles from north of Las Vegas when we took that photograph.
	Anyway, coming up in a moment, one of my favorite topics of all time, Really, or current time anyway, is mass consciousness and consciousness itself.
	And so Dr. Garland Landreth, he was the first to publish in a conservative peer-reviewed scientific journal about how the thoughts of individuals can actually influence the outer world by reducing such variables as crime, automobile accidents, even suicides.
	His research found that Within our minds, we have the ability to decrease these negative variables simply by our thoughts alone.
	His research has been published in numerous peer-reviewed scientific journals.
	He's also taught at numerous psychology classes at major universities and even at the Federal Penitentiary at Leavenworth.
	At his first opportunity, he traveled to the Far East and studied several years in China, in India, In an attempt to understand the meaning of this life.
	Oh, I've got a good question for him then.
	During this time he lived as a monk while studying with some great teachers.
	Dr. Landreth received his master's in social psychology at the University of Kansas and later achieved his PhD in psychology.
	He has had thousands of individual and group training sessions that have helped clients become more attuned with their intuition and achieve a greater ability to listen to their own Inner Wisdom.
	In a moment, Dr. Landreth.
	And now, Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Doctor, welcome to the program.
	Great being here, Art.
	Is this your first time?
	Yes, it is.
	Okay.
	Well, glad to have you, and particularly on This topic, just before we plunge into everything here, I thought I would ask you, certainly with your background, who was God before God?
	Great one!
	Who was God before God?
	Now that one is an interesting one.
	Let me think about that.
	I can give you an answer to that one right at the moment.
	We'll let you meditate.
	I think I probably need a long time to meditate on that one.
	What we probably term as a God is probably always been there.
	It is existence itself.
	But we're getting into that in a roundabout way.
	It's very hard to contemplate always been there.
	Always been there.
	Always been there.
	Well, how can that be?
	It's kind of a difficult concept.
	Can't get your mind around that.
	In the meantime, let's begin at the beginning here.
	Before we even talk about this whole thing at large, I want to talk about what consciousness What have you determined, Doctor, consciousness is?
	If we were to define it, you know, come up with a Webster's thing, what is it?
	I think, you know, this is a great question.
	Great thinkers have actually been debating this one for thousands of years.
	And I think one question that can be related to this is why we have the ability to reflect about ourself at all.
	I mean, it's kind of amazing that we Have this experience to be able to have the experience of being in an experience, if you know what I'm saying.
	Are you saying then that the ability to reflect on one's own existence constitutes a part of consciousness or a component of it?
	Yes, and it's just being in the experience itself, the fact that we're aware of it.
	Because, you know, when you think about it from a Darwinian point of view, it's not very adaptable.
	Do cats and dogs Then, by extension, have that ability or can you rule it out?
	Well, you know, that's a great question and it's actually in the past 10 years, I would say about 20 years ago, most scientists did not think that cats and dogs had the ability to self-reflect, but recent research has been finding that Indeed, cats and dogs probably do have self-awareness.
	I think so.
	Maybe not as developed as ours, but they definitely have a self-awareness.
	I think they do, too.
	I mean, they're quite amazing creatures, actually.
	Well, indeed they are.
	You have to be very close to one or the other, some animal, to know.
	I'm not limiting it to cats and dogs, either.
	I think animals have a concept of self-awareness.
	So that's part of the human consciousness, the ability to reflect on our own existence, and I suppose even beyond.
	That's maybe part of it, but there's got to be more.
	There's a lot more, because most Western scientists have considered consciousness simply to be a byproduct of brain material, and it has very little relevance.
	The research that you've been doing with mass consciousness things, and the things that I've been involved with, and many others, I believe so, Doctor, and you and I are probably going to run into a brick wall somewhere along here because, you know, in reading what I read at the beginning of the program, you're advocating, if I have this right, you're advocating the use of this power to decrease the negative variables that might be out there, like suicidal people, that sort of thing.
	Yes and no.
	I'm saying that this is an interesting one because you bring up a very in-depth kind of discussion here at the very beginning.
	I would say that when you have more of that creative positive force being stimulated, then those things go naturally down.
	It's not that you go out and you can Although you have demonstrated that you can do it by your intention alone, but this also can be done in another way, through reducing the creative forces of energy.
	I mean, increasing the creative forces of energy.
	And it's a little bit different than intention.
	Well, how is it different?
	Well, let me give you some examples.
	There are some studies that have been done on group consciousness.
	Dean Radin.
	You've had him as a guest, right?
	I've had Dean on the air, of course.
	In one study he did, and I was going to go into this later, but we might as well start on it now.
	No, let's just rock the way it goes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He had a series of experiments where they were actually looking at machines, random generating machines, but these were actually quantum machines.
	And people could intend to change the behavior of those random generators.
	Now, a random generator is something like a 0 or a 1.
	It either produces a 0 or a 1.
	That's right.
	Well, these machines are very sophisticated on a quantum level.
	And they actually, you know, over time, over, you know, a short period of time, they will come up with almost 50% 0's and 50% 1's.
	I mean, exactly, to them, you know, to them out.
	Random number generators, yes.
	And when you have the intention to change these machines, then you can change them with more ones or more zeros.
	The effect is rather small, but it's very consistent and it's been replicated thousands of times.
	Another thing that he was measuring was the group consciousness effect of large groups attending to huge events, like the Olympic ceremonies, for instance.
	And the Olympic ceremonies, I think it was one in 1996.
	Right.
	They weren't attending to these machines.
	They were attending to the Olympic ceremonies.
	And so, but what's interesting, these machines were in place.
	And so they would tend to be less random during the Olympic ceremonies.
	Now, what's really intriguing is during the commercials, they went back to being random.
	Oh, my.
	Yeah.
	It's quite fascinating.
	But again, they weren't trying to make the machines less random.
	And maybe that kind of explains what we were talking about.
	In some of the meditation studies that we have done, the reduction in crime rates were done as a byproduct of the meditation.
	The meditators did not even know they were participating in that kind of experiment.
	I've got a little software program called Shape Tech that was put out for a while.
	It's no longer available.
	To the best of my understanding, but it was put out by Para Inc.
	and it gave you an opportunity to, on your computer, drag down the picture of your choice.
	For example, I can drag a globe down on the left and I can drag random white noise down on the right and then it's called chaos and on the other you've got a picture of Earth and then once you start the program running your job is to make either the Earth appear solidly or the random noise appear solidly whichever you choose and then it will time you and rate you and this is a very very interesting program and I found I found in pretty scary results with it doctor I can sit here and I can force on average 70 to 80 percent of the time I'm a winner
	That's amazing.
	Well, as a controlled experiment, the other thing you can do is to start the program running and just go into the other room and have a cup of coffee.
	Or just go into the other room and don't do anything.
	And you come back and then the percentage falls down to way, way down.
	And so it's obviously working.
	It actually works.
	You can affect a machine this way.
	There's no doubt about it.
	You can do it.
	It's amazing.
	It is absolutely amazing what's going on out there.
	Can you explain the process that allows the physical manipulation through the air without any energy transfer that we understand?
	Yes, exactly.
	Modern physics, at least the regular physics that we think of, not the quantum level physics, cannot explain it.
	Because when you look at the brain, the brain has very low voltage emissions.
	I mean, you have to use sophisticated machines just to even measure brain waves.
	Let us add, at frequencies we're capable of detecting right now.
	Now, there may be some sort of radiation occurring in a spectrum that we don't have a hint about yet.
	Well, we've been measuring stuff at a very, very, you know, physics has got even electron microscopes where we can look at electrons, you know, and everything like that.
	Of course, our sophistication in brain technology is not nearly as advanced as they are in physics.
	Not nearly.
	But we have now MRIs, and we have PET scans, and we have stuff we didn't have 10 years ago.
	And some of those things are starting to get really sophisticated.
	But the question is, what kind of energy is it?
	I think it's a quantum field.
	And in that regard, A quantum field.
	Can you break that down in a way that the average person can understand it?
	What is a quantum field?
	Well, let me just start from the beginning here.
	I think your audience might be familiar with some of the research that's been done.
	So I can kind of jump ahead like this.
	The main thing is Some of the research has found that we can know events before they actually happen in normal time and space.
	And this research is very consistent and very remarkable.
	I know for a fact there have been 50 studies done on it in different laboratories all across the world.
	I absolutely believe it, yes.
	One of the research studies, for instance, found that if you have a negative photograph, and you're going to be presented with that negative photograph, and you have also a positive photograph, The study was actually looking at how we react before the photographs were presented to us.
	So what they did is they randomly presented us with these two photographs, a real negative, gruesome photograph, like a photograph of somebody in a morgue.
	Yes.
	Then a very nice, pleasant photograph.
	Yes.
	And lo and behold, they were using GSR machines, which are similar to a lie detector.
	They measure anxiety by measuring the skin conductance in your skin.
	Sure.
	And they found that these people knew What was going to happen before it was actually going to happen?
	By their body's reaction.
	In other words, the body would give off this anxiety about two or three seconds before the actual negative picture was there, but it did not have the same anxiety before the positive picture.
	You know, that's remarkably like the experiments with the, I think it was heads of lettuce, or Plants that that knew the remember the experiment down and I think the San Diego is California somewhere a scientist would come in with a big knife and would slice a plant in half and then he'd leave the room and then a bunch of other guys in white coats would come in and they had every machine in the world hooked up to the plants and the other guys in white coats they plants didn't sweat no problem but when the guy who had assassinated the plant earlier
	Came in.
	Right.
	All the monitors went berserk.
	Now, come on.
	Plants?
	Beautiful.
	I love that study.
	But it's true.
	No.
	There is some amazing things going on.
	And the study I just mentioned has been done.
	Well, there's another variation on it, too.
	They did another one with EEGs.
	Actually, an MRI.
	Excuse me.
	And they had, you know, because they were so dumped out of by these results in this particular laboratory.
	They did it in another laboratory, replicated the same results, and not only that, they used an MRI.
	And they found not only did this happen, did we know two seconds beforehand, we also knew four seconds with an MRI.
	So we actually know things before they're going to happen.
	That's remarkable.
	And it says all kinds of things about the nature of time.
	Boy, does it say a lot about... You got it.
	Now we're starting to talk about quantum.
	Well, I assume that a quantum field exists not in linear time, as we understand it, but out across time, in the present, in the past, in the future.
	It just is everywhere?
	Yes, and that's beautifully put.
	I think they have done some experiments that have blown the scientists' minds, to put it literally and figuratively.
	What they found is that, for instance, they were trying to study electrons for many years.
	And they kept trying to measure these electrons, and they kept getting, you know, disparate results.
	So what they did was, they finally said, well, let's just try to shoot this atom right into a screen.
	We must not try to measure it.
	And let's see what we find.
	Where this electron is, and how fast it's moving.
	Yes.
	So they kind of shot it into this screen.
	Yes.
	And they found out something intriguing.
	Something incredible.
	What?
	The electron was not located in time and space.
	It was located everywhere in time and space.
	It showed up on all over the screen everywhere.
	Oh, really?
	Yes, exactly.
	In other words, how did they actually measure the fact that it was everywhere?
	I need to understand more about this.
	Let me give you an example.
	This may be a poor example, but this may be easy for everybody to visualize.
	Normally, what you have is an atom.
	Electron or two, running around that atom.
	Let's just take a simple one with one atom and one electron.
	Right.
	So what you have is, they've been trying, they use, you know, very sophisticated machinery to try to measure the movements and where this atom is.
	Of course.
	I mean, the electron.
	It's not the atom.
	And they've been able to document where it was.
	Now, here's something even more far out, and I don't know... Okay, but what I didn't get is how they document it's everywhere.
	Well, because they didn't measure it.
	Because what happened was, When you try to measure it, the electron appears.
	When you don't try to measure it, the electron is everywhere at once.
	And that is the best way I can explain it.
	It completely boggles the mind.
	It does.
	The experiment, when I read about it, I was so intrigued.
	And you know what?
	I would say maybe one person in a thousand even knows about the experiment.
	But that experiment tells us a lot about what's happening with the other experiments on people that we just talked about.
	They have labeled this in physics.
	What do they call that?
	They call it... Let's see here.
	Where do they call it?
	I forgot the name of the name, but a quantum... Let's see, it's called... I'm trying to remember here.
	Quantum something, huh?
	Quantum superimposition.
	In other words, it can be in many places at the same time.
	Quantum superimposition.
	Yeah.
	It means it can be in all places at once.
	Which means it breaks every time-space boundary that we know about matter.
	Yes.
	Which is what we're starting to see in consciousness.
	What you've been doing with your experiments is, in a sense, demonstrating that something is going on here.
	What I stumbled into.
	Now, this has been going on for, I don't know, a couple of years maybe.
	Or more.
	A couple of years.
	No, a little more than that.
	What I stumbled into was, to me, a little bit frightening, to be honest with you.
	Totally intriguing, you know, and I went stumbling into it like a kid, kind of.
	Hardly thinking about it.
	And then I began to think about it.
	When I really began to think about it, it scared me.
	I don't blame you.
	And I backed up from it quite quickly.
	In fact, I quickly had Dean Radin on the air.
	I'll get into all of this when we come back.
	We've got to take a break, Doctor.
	It's the bottom of the hour from the high desert in the middle of the night.
	We're discussing consciousness and now mass-directed consciousness.
	The very thing we've experimented with quite some number of times on this very program.
	Stay right where you are.
	I'm falling down the spiral.
	Destination unknown.
	Double-crossed messenger, all alone.
	Can't get no connection.
	Can't get through.
	Where are you?
	Well, the night is living on his guilty mind.
	This star from the borderline.
	And the hitman who knows him well, he hasn't cheated.
	Yeah, he said, he said, he said.
	I'm in the house, feels like he's gone.
	And I know that I've gone too far.
	I'm still a young girl.
	When the bullet hits the bone.
	I'm still a young girl.
	When the bullet hits the bone.
	When the bullet hits the bone.
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	Coast AM with Art Bell. You know, I really have no idea how this experimental thing started
	on the program, but I will relate a little bit of it to you in a moment.
	We'll review it, what we did, and maybe what we should do, or won't do, or... I don't know.
	Anyway, we'll tell you about the experiments in a moment.
	Let's face it.
	We deal in things on this program that are, you know, at the fringe.
	They're at the edge.
	There's no question about it.
	That's what we do here.
	That's what we're all about.
	And so maybe it was a natural thing for this to fall into the hands of a talk show host doing a program on this kind of material.
	Whatever it was, you know, whether it was remote influencing that we were discussing or whether it was the study at Princeton that came up.
	I think that came up a little later, though.
	And whatever it was that we were doing at the time, I decided foolishly, you know, as a talk show host, I thought, hey, I've got millions of people out there.
	What happens if I have them concentrate on getting something massive done?
	Hey, let's try to produce rain.
	And there was a, you know, there was a A drought going on in Florida, one down in Texas, I think, one up in the Northwest in Canada.
	And I said, let's play with making rain.
	And so every couple of weeks or so, for a while, I had millions of people actually take a devoted moment out and concentrate on making rain in a place where there was a forecast for no rain, where they were suffering.
	And I'll be damned if it didn't rain.
	And I mean within the hour it rained.
	No clouds.
	Clouds formed.
	It rained.
	I swear to you it happened.
	Some of you were here.
	You know it happened.
	We went to work for some people who had hopeless diagnosis.
	It worked.
	They recovered.
	It did incredible things.
	Nine, ten, eleven times.
	I forget how many experiments we did.
	But then I began thinking about what I was doing.
	And people began writing to me suggesting we alter the path of hurricanes away from the coast.
	The noble goal.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	But then I thought, Eventually, Doctor, I thought, you know what?
	I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
	And while it might be fun to direct consciousness toward pushing a hurricane off coast, maybe we'd succeed and maybe it would build up to a Category 5 and kill thousands of people when it finally did come ashore.
	I thought, the law of unintended consequences.
	I don't know what I'm doing.
	Maybe that was some little wisdom creeping in.
	I had Dean Radin on the show.
	I asked Dean.
	Dean, I'm feeling not comfortable with continuing with this until I understand it.
	He agreed.
	Smart move, Art.
	Don't play with it until you know what you're playing with.
	And of course then, you know, Doctor, it might be worthwhile for you to explain the people at Princeton who are doing these experiments that I began hearing about and that Dean Radin told me about.
	...are not happy about them becoming public at all.
	And the reason, Doctor, they're not happy is because the mere fact of the public knowing they're going on, they're afraid, will foul their scientific result.
	I understand that fear.
	But maybe you can explain, you might as well, at least to some extent, what they've done at Princeton.
	Well, the stuff at Princeton, I think I kind of gave you a brief synopsis of it, but it's one of the most exciting kinds of research that has been done.
	What they're doing is they're showing that groups of individuals, when they are kind of focusing on one event, can actually change the behavior of machines.
	Princeton, when I say Princeton, the experiment in which they have what they call eggs located all over the world, right?
	Right, right.
	Okay, and egg is what?
	The Global Consciousness Project.
	The eggs of those particular machines, they're called, they're actually, let's see, what is it called?
	It's a quantum random generator.
	Yeah, they're computers, right?
	Right.
	Okay, they're computers and they're located All over the world, I understand.
	Last I read, there was about 55 of them.
	55?
	Yes.
	And they have them all over in different parts of the country.
	And what they're doing is they're just monitoring the randomness of these machines while at the same time they're monitoring the current events that are going on.
	Okay.
	In other words, folks, these machines are spitting out, as he suggested earlier, ones and zeros.
	Random ones and zeros.
	0-0-0, 1-1-1, 0-0-1, 0-1-0.
	Whatever.
	Random.
	That's what the computer's job is.
	And so they monitor this all around the world, these eggs, and they all report back to Princeton.
	And then they also watch world events, like 9-11.
	And of course, what startled me and the world, Doctor, was when they produced the graph showing us 9-11.
	Right.
	And sometime before the actual event itself, there was a spike that went right up off the chart.
	Right.
	Actually, before the event.
	Yes, before the event.
	It was amazing.
	It was amazing.
	And I tried to get somebody from the project itself on the air, but again, they don't really want to talk about it publicly because it might skew what they're doing, the results of what they're doing.
	But we're on to something really, really, really big here.
	So big that it's caused me pause.
	Now, how do you feel about the fact that I've paused?
	Again, I think it's... I have kind of mixed feelings about it.
	I'm probably more pro doing it than you might be.
	I can tell.
	But I do understand your hesitancy, and I think there is in some ways... I don't think if it were... Here's the angle on this that I would take, and it's probably different than other people you might have talked to about before.
	I think in order for you to actually be able to do it, You'd have to be contacting some source of law of nature that would allow it to happen.
	I don't think you can actually violate too many laws of nature by allowing it to happen.
	However, there's a caveat here.
	I think in order to actually gain the powers of the mind, so to speak, you have to kind of surrender.
	And to surrender means we surrender that part of us that would be destructive.
	How do you know what can and can't be done?
	How do we know that we can't give somebody a heart attack?
	How do we know that we can't kill someone with it?
	be done since we don't understand the real enough of the nature of this or
	maybe I'm right talking to somebody who does understand enough of this but but
	how do we know what can and can't be done how do we know that we can't give
	somebody a heart attack how do we know that we can't kill someone with it how
	do we know that we can't cause a catastrophic ecological event or for all
	I know we are causing one I think we're already we're already on that road
	If your book is to be believed, which I think we should, we're already going to be doing it, whether we do something with our consciousness or not.
	But your point is a good one.
	Your point is a very good one.
	I think what we do, what a lot of the meditation groups do, is they try to put the mind in a place where the mind is completely positive.
	And that involves, again, talking about consciousness.
	And in a sense, you know, we started talking about consciousness, but one thing I didn't mention was, I think that all of the, in other words, this is a long, long conversation here, because really what I was going to say is, consciousness has several different elements to it.
	We normally think of consciousness, we think of consciousness of something.
	Okay, I'm watching something, I'm seeing something, I'm feeling something, but there is something else that's an aspect of consciousness, and that is pure consciousness.
	It's different than even self-reflection, and that pure consciousness is what I think is the basis for all the mystical experiences.
	Describe what you mean to me by pure consciousness.
	Well, if I look at you, or if I think about you, or I feel something towards you, it's consciousness that has an element involved with it.
	Pure consciousness is consciousness without any elements.
	In other words, in order to have consciousness of something, you have to first have consciousness, the potential of consciousness.
	You sort of just lost me a little bit.
	I understand that I could be thinking of you, I'm conscious of you.
	But then there could be times when I have absolutely no input, when I'm lying in bed, my eyes are closed, my consciousness still races until I finally achieve sleep, and I think I'm aware of all kinds of things, right?
	Without being aware of anything specific, I'm just aware of all kinds of things.
	Let me ask you a question.
	When you were having that experience, did you ever have the experience where you might think that you were asleep, but then you realized you were awake?
	You kind of got a gap in there?
	There are... It's usually a fairly common experience.
	People, when they think about it, they've had that experience before.
	Well, I've had a lot of experiences when in that, let's call it, twilight zone between wakefulness and sleep.
	I've had some remarkable things happen.
	Exactly.
	Now we're talking.
	This is what I'm talking about where the boundaries start to disappear.
	And we start to have what we call pure consciousness.
	I've solved problems that were insoluble.
	Exactly.
	In that little flash.
	Aha experience.
	Exactly.
	There is a field down there where you can get messages, where you can kind of feel connected with everything in the universe.
	And that field is what is termed in, and I think that field, I've kind of defined it as pure consciousness, But that field was what I think is the basis for all the mystical experiences.
	You have studied in India, I believe, correct?
	Right.
	And you lived a life of... you were a monk for a while?
	Yes, I was.
	I actually even went to the Episcopal Monastery in New York for a little while.
	Have you seen people capable of great concentration and meditation do things that are inexplicable with their minds?
	Yes.
	And I have seen it not only with that, but also with some of the research that we've done.
	I have not seen anybody... I have seen people, for instance, that could tell exactly if we had a coin in one hand and, you know, they would get it 100%.
	I mean, without any... And just similar to what, I mean, even better than 80% what you were getting with your machines, they can do it 100%.
	They usually don't use that power for game.
	But they have that power, if you know what I'm saying.
	They would never do it as a side trick, but we were testing it out just for people that
	would see what the capacities were.
	You see, I have a hard time grasping the concept that this power, which I do believe is real,
	can only be used for good, which I know is... or gain.
	Why shouldn't you be able to use it for gain?
	If it's a power, then it's just a power, like any other, ultimately, and its direction determines whether it's used for good or evil.
	I mean, it's just a power.
	Do you buy into that, or do you believe that, oh, it can only be used for good?
	for good. And those people who develop it only never would use it for gain.
	I love the way you use those expressions in your voice.
	They tell a lot.
	Listen, you're making brilliant points.
	Well, I don't know if I am.
	Here's what I think.
	I think there are rules, laws of nature.
	And I think we can contact these laws of nature.
	And I think that our powers increase.
	The more we surrender to these laws of nature, our powers also increase.
	Ultimately, what you're asking me is, why is there destructive forces and why are there creative forces?
	And how can we kind of differentiate between the two?
	Well, I think I'm more asking you this for us, that we both believe to be real.
	I think it can probably be directed either way, for good or... I mean, good is subjective, really, and or bad, and that's subjective, too.
	It might depend on which end of the mind knife you're on.
	I don't know.
	Well, I think there's rules, laws of nature.
	If you violate the laws of nature, you kind of produce karma, and it comes back, and if you use it for bad ends, yes, it's true.
	I mean, I think you can do it, theoretically, but I think in order to really capture the laws of nature and to use it, you have to kind of surrender to it, and that surrender means you're going to be doing far more good than bad.
	Do you realize that you sound a whole lot like a witch?
	Well, that's... I'm serious.
	I mean, they believe that, certainly in this power, they may word it a different way, but they believe in karma and in, for example, if there are negative projections made that it is returned some number of times to you, that kind of thing?
	Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, yes.
	I mean, I wouldn't put myself in that category.
	Well, maybe we're simply beginning to scientifically underscore witchcraft as the real McCoy.
	Have you ever thought of it that way?
	You know what?
	What I've read about rich crap, and I've only known one or two people that have been, which is they don't seem that dissimilar to where I'm at.
	That doesn't mean, but I kind of have a scientific side to myself, but I have proven this stuff many, many times.
	But also, I feel that my position is very similar to those in India and China.
	Well, I would concede, for example, that people who create enough discipline, and do a great deal of meditation, and turn inward, and do a great deal of inner reflection, and trying to attain higher mental states, that as a general rule, these people are going to be in touch with probably what is right, cosmically right, you know, you don't kill your neighbor, Exactly.
	Ten Commandments kind of right, universal, or natural, or nature type of right.
	So, you know, they're going to be better doers than most, but not all.
	In other words, I still think that power goes both ways.
	I would again agree with you, but I think in order to get more of it, you have to surrender to it.
	And then in order to surrender to it, that, I mean, I have dealt with so many people that are not aware of their psychic abilities.
	And this research tells us, now that's one of the other interesting points we didn't make.
	Guess how many people in those studies we talked about knew which of those photographs were going to be negative
	or positive?
	How many?
	None.
	But their bodies told, if they could listen to their body, their bodies could tell them exactly what's going on.
	Their bodies were telling them.
	In other words, what were they doing?
	They were measuring like the amount of sweat and the breathing and all the rest of it.
	They did an MRI experiment too.
	In another laboratory.
	As far out as this stuff goes.
	But there's another whole group of them.
	What did the MRIs find?
	MRIs found it's even faster.
	They knew four seconds before the thing was going to be.
	In other words, on the MRI, they're seeing some part of the brain become a light-up.
	Light up, in essence.
	That's the way it looks on an MRI.
	It looks like it lights up a certain part.
	Boy, oh boy.
	You've got it.
	Your questions are incredible.
	I think I've got some answers for you, but it's going to take me a little while to get to them.
	Well, that's why we have radio.
	We're not bound like television is.
	We have lots of time.
	We can do that.
	Let me ask you, let me say another thing.
	Some of the research I found that automobile accidents go down.
	I think your show has decreased automobile accidents, too.
	People stay awake listening to your show while they're driving.
	Well, maybe.
	Yeah, I know one time I was sitting there in a hotel trying to check into my room and it was like 3 in the morning and I couldn't get away because it was such a fascinating guest.
	So I thought to myself, man, I was cursing you under my breath.
	Well, you see, if you're on the road like all the guys who drive 18 wheelers, they'll tell you music is okay for a while, but after a while music almost can become like the dotted white line and and has a way of sort of hypnotizing you where talk radio for example is intellectually stimulating and constantly changing and so that does keep you alert at a level that who the heck knows it might save your life you might be awake enough to be alert enough to avoid an accident that otherwise would have taken you out
	Think about how much good karma you've produced for yourself, Art.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, all of that's possible, I suppose.
	Alright, well, I know that there have been a lot of interesting studies that I want to know about.
	For example, they've done studies in war zones, right?
	Yes, this is really fascinating.
	I was going to bring up another study, which was related to the other one I mentioned about the... Well, hold it right there.
	Actually, we're at the top of the hour, so we'll just hang everybody up here.
	But there have been some very interesting studies done in war zones.
	I guess about people knowing what's about to come down.
	So isn't that interesting?
	Just before an event, an MRI now can look at your brain.
	And before the event, before the event occurs, your brain lights up like a hundred watt light bulb.
	Just like that!
	Because your brain, even if you consciously are not aware of the fact that it's coming,
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	That would be me, Dr. Garland Landreth is here, and we're talking about masked consciousness.
	Well, what consciousness is in the first place, and then masked, and then directed?
	Mass consciousness.
	And in a moment, we had a caller in the first hour who asked a really good question about the process of evolution.
	I think I'll spring that on the good doctor.
	we'll be right back so here's one
	Doctor, welcome back.
	Another hour in front of us here.
	Here's one for you.
	When we talk about consciousness and mass consciousness, now let's factor in, oh, I don't know, let's take tonight's, last night's now, according to this Time's On event, the second little machine landed on Mars.
	Second little robot, right?
	Right.
	Well, there was a time in the world, not very long ago, when we didn't have telephones, We didn't have radio and television.
	We didn't have the Internet.
	We didn't have all the gazillions of things now that let us all know and join in with the celebration at NASA as this thing lands successfully on Mars.
	We didn't have that.
	We had a world where, you know, a guy on a horse would take news from one place to another.
	And people didn't know about things simultaneously at exactly the same instant.
	Large world events like that, for example, when we land something successfully on Mars.
	So, if there is this consciousness and this power, then there surely must be a gigantic influence on it by the mass media and by the communications the world has now.
	I think that's a brilliant point.
	Well, it was an interesting point.
	But you know what?
	I will say one thing that kind of I think the communication was there before.
	If you look at the history of humanity, usually people were discovering things at the same time.
	For instance, like the telephone.
	Yes.
	True.
	I think Bell discovered it.
	But if he hadn't discovered it, somebody else would have actually finished the work and discovered it within a year.
	That's right.
	Things seem to happen around the same time.
	They certainly do.
	And I think that's an indication of the collective consciousness, which is something I'm not sure anybody's ever brought that idea up on your show or not.
	Well, even though I'm with you all the way, people really do tend to make discoveries at about the same time and have insights at about the same literal moment, almost.
	But again, there's got to be some influence of shared, instant information.
	I think I agree with you.
	Brilliant point.
	Is that collective and that instant and that across time in every direction then the impact of information instantly upon that many consciousnesses has got to do something?
	Maybe that many people thinking about the Mars Rover collected some software back into a condition that people at JPL could direct it again.
	I don't know.
	That's a brilliant idea!
	Well, I don't know.
	That is great!
	That is a brilliant idea!
	Maybe.
	And it's not so far-fetched, because people worried about it.
	I think that the collective consciousness... Here's another analogy we can use for this.
	These concepts are hard to understand.
	Let's look at, instead of looking at us as being separate from each other, let's look at us as being, let's look at the whole universe as being one huge ocean.
	And instead of us being separate, we are separate in a way, but we're joined, we're like little separate waves, but we're joined together by the ocean.
	And this ocean then is what they call pure consciousness.
	Now, if you look at physics, quantum physics, what we see around us is all separate.
	But when you look at quantum physics, it's not separate.
	We're all joined together.
	You see the analogy?
	Yes.
	And so herein may be an answer for a lot of your questions, because your questions are brilliant, and they are not easy to answer in 25 words or less.
	But the research is out there, and you cannot dispute the research.
	Actually, a lot of people are disputing the research, but it's just too big, and things are happening too much.
	Well, what is prayer?
	It's just directed consciousness.
	Beautiful.
	That's all it is.
	It's directed consciousness, and I know that a lot of people would probably get angry at me for that, but they're directing it at God, and that's fine.
	incredible discoveries. Well, what is prayer?
	It's just directed consciousness. Beautiful.
	That's all it is. It's directed consciousness. And I know that a lot of people would probably get
	angry at me for that.
	But they're directing it at God and that's fine. It's still directed
	and that's what it is.
	So it's part of it.
	And the word is almost interchangeable.
	I mean, pray for rain.
	Listen, there was something about war zones.
	What do we know from war about any of this?
	Well, the war experiment started as a result of the research that I did on crimes and automobile accidents and things like that.
	Firstly, they wanted to know why this research, why this was even happening.
	So we did another study.
	Now this one, you'll love this one.
	We did, we had, there was a course going on in Amherst, Massachusetts.
	And the purpose of this study was to see whether people meditating 1,500 miles away could influence the brainwave in a laboratory.
	In other words, the brain.
	Yes.
	And those weak brainwaves we talked about earlier, And so when they were doing their meditations in Amherst, Massachusetts, we were measuring the brainwaves of people in Iowa.
	And finding... They actually became more similar during the time when the people in Amherst were meditating.
	Now, here's an interesting point that I need to tell you.
	It's like quantum entanglement.
	Exactly!
	Quantum entanglement.
	Things far away... Well, that's it.
	You've got that one right.
	You've got to have heard about that one.
	The quantum entanglement is where, well maybe I better not go back to that until I finish up the one.
	Sure, go ahead.
	So, what happened was, now this was a complete deception study.
	We didn't tell the people in Amherst to direct their thoughts to the people in Iowa.
	We didn't tell the people in Iowa there was even a course going on up there.
	Wow.
	So, because we wanted to find out if, because we were getting these amazing results with 1% of the population meditating, The reduction in crime rates.
	But see, before this all happened... Well, what did you tell the people who had the electrodes attached up to them?
	We gave them a basically deception study.
	And that's ethical, by the way.
	We gave them a deception study, told them we were studying something else.
	And that way there would be no interference with the thought.
	See, the same thing that the Princeton people were worried about is what we're worried about with our research.
	Of course.
	Because you don't want people to positively think That something is going to happen, because that influences what's going to happen.
	You know, I don't want to blow it for Princeton, or for you, or for anybody else's experiment, but I can't rule this topic out as something not to talk about.
	It's too big.
	It is too big, and I think what your show is doing... Now, see, there's different levels to this whole thing.
	We keep going back and forth.
	It's the thing of the collective consciousness.
	But what your show is doing is... We've been talking about this.
	We've been putting this stuff out.
	This stuff has been published.
	1981.
	Who heard of it?
	You have done an amazing job of changing the collective conscience, getting people to believe that what they think matters.
	And your show has expanded everybody's consciousness in this world.
	It's had a huge impact.
	And people can't get... I mean, look at how many shows now are out there on talk radio that weren't there a long time ago.
	Instead of sitting here and listening to, you know, stuff about politics all the time, we're now able to listen to other things.
	I mean, this is incredible.
	The consciousness is changing, and you were a pioneer in this.
	I hope some of it.
	It's been amazing, and it is amazing, and it's still something that I actually have... I guess I have a sense of wonderment about it and awe about it.
	I really do.
	I mean, it's just an amazing thing, and we're kind of on the edge of this and just beginning to learn Just beginning to learn what this is all about, but I have a feeling at the end of this road, I've said it on the air a whole bunch of times, it could turn out to be the most powerful force in the universe.
	It is the universe.
	It is the universe's creative force.
	Yes.
	And for instance, now we measured those things in the laboratory.
	No, we did the deception experiment, so nobody knew about it.
	We got this published in the International Journal of Neuroscience in 1982.
	And how many people knew about it?
	And how was it received?
	It was a perfect psychic experiment.
	Nobody knew about it.
	How was it received?
	The people at the journal, the journal editors, and also the peer-reviewed, because in order to get in one of those journals you have to get reviewed by some conservative psychologist, you know, conservative scientist.
	Certainly.
	They said it was the best designed EEG study they'd ever seen.
	They couldn't throw it out because we had deceptive.
	I did the research part of it, and I was just one cog in four or five, you know, four or five other people are working with me.
	And I didn't know what data I was looking at.
	I didn't know whether the person was I was looking at a person that was in where he was in that particular study.
	So because you have to do it that way in order to make sure that there's no experimental bias, especially with something like this, because everybody's going to try to tear it apart.
	And yet, you see, this could be the answer for so much that science can't explain and tends to laugh at.
	People who claim psychic abilities and foreknowledge and all kinds of things that people do experience and science, you know, just laughs away at.
	Well, this may explain a lot of that.
	Yes, exactly.
	Beautifully put.
	There are so many mysteries and yet It's funny that the big scientists are oftentimes the ones that are the least open.
	I talk to so many people about psychic stuff, and people don't believe it.
	And they don't even, but they haven't heard of anywhere near the research.
	Like the research on staring.
	Here's another great one.
	Sure.
	Have you heard about this one?
	No.
	This has been done in 37 different studies.
	Okay, this is not a small event.
	Of course, staring itself, people think, most people, you know, think that they have the ability to know when somebody's staring at them.
	I think they did some studies on, you know, just on surveys on this.
	People know, seem to think that they know when people are staring at them.
	But no one's ever done any research on it.
	So they started doing a whole bunch of research on it.
	Well, you feel it, of course, right?
	Exactly.
	Similar to the other research we talked about earlier with the negative photographs.
	And, but in this one... I mean, but how could you possibly For example, feel somebody behind you, or at a great distance behind you, out of your line of sight, and know, or feel, have an intuitive wave of feeling that you're being stared at.
	That is the ultimate question, and I think we've got some answers.
	Yes, really?
	Yes, I think I do.
	I'm not saying I'm responsible for the answers, but I think I can articulate them tonight.
	I'm listening.
	Anyway, but the experiment found And they did this pretty interestingly, too.
	They had a person in a separate room.
	So they weren't even in the same room.
	So there was a huge wall between them in distance, and they were looking at a television monitor.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, so there was not any real direct, and I think that might have, if they had been in a real room, it would have been an even higher result.
	Yeah, well this is even a greater control, though, so fine.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It is a great, beautifully put.
	Because then you don't have any interference with other factors.
	And so, what they found was that when they were staring at the television, this would be random, so the television would come on and off, and the person would be staring at the television.
	And then the person who was being stared at would try to guess when he was being stared at.
	So, and this would be random, sometimes it would be on for like 30 seconds, another time for a minute, and then they'd wait for five minutes, and then wait for three minutes, you know, who knows what would come up.
	They found a small but very significant effect on with, I think it was done in 30 some odd times in about 16 different laboratories.
	Now the effect was small.
	I mean, but it was still significant.
	It wasn't a huge effect.
	But here's the other thing they did.
	Again, that somebody had a brilliant idea.
	Let's find out what the EEGs tell us.
	Excuse me, the GSRs.
	You know, getting back to the old GSR machines, like the lie detector again, we talked about earlier.
	Yes.
	And so they hooked him up so that their bodies can tell better what's happening rather than just trying to guess.
	And when they hooked him up to GSR machines, again, the results went out the roof.
	Like one chance in 10,000 or something like that.
	Incredible.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's amazing.
	Have you ever heard the expression, you walk into a room, you say, my ears are burning, you feel like someone's talking about you?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, you know, it's probably true.
	It's probably true, yes.
	Like you were saying, about 80% of the time you're hitting your hits when you do your show.
	I would imagine 80% of the time it's true.
	Yes.
	Those kind of results are what we're getting.
	So we know these things, at least our brain knows these things.
	Now, what do you think it takes, backing up a little bit, for a person to become attuned with when part of his brain is lighting up over something that's about to occur?
	I mean, something that could save your life if you could learn to develop it.
	So how do you discipline yourself mentally to begin to listen to this?
	Brilliant question.
	That is the $64,000 question.
	I think the only way that you can do this, because I think that there's a part of the brain, what I call, well actually not what I call, but what is termed a reptilian part of the brain, and this is a protection mechanism that is built into our brain.
	In other words, our brains are wired for protection.
	But unfortunately, the brains, by protecting ourselves, also tend to close off the ability to experience these things that we've been talking about.
	So the trick is to rewire the brain.
	Change the way the brain actually perceives things.
	Which gets us back again to the pure consciousness idea we talked about in the first hour.
	Because if you look about it, you think about it, you know, there's some commonalities with the mystical experience, or the experience that we've been talking about, and that's that the person isn't aware.
	To become aware, you have to be open.
	You have to open up.
	And this process of opening up sometimes is very difficult for people to do.
	So they have to be able to have the mind quiet.
	And that shuts down those defensive mechanisms that are innate inside of us.
	We live in a world today where that's not so easy to do.
	I mean, there's input from everything.
	Cell phones ring.
	Computers go off.
	A gazillion different things occur to us.
	Noise level is very high indeed.
	So how do you get the noise level down to the point where you can see the little spike that you're looking for that means something to you?
	I think the only way to do it is through prayer or meditation.
	Self-hypnosis, something along those lines.
	Coupled with nutrition.
	Nutrition?
	Yes.
	There is a whole bunch of new research out there now that we can actually create new brain cells.
	Ten years ago, they thought that you could not create new brain cells.
	But once we're wired with whatever dysfunctional family life we had when we were kids, that's it.
	We're stuck.
	And all we've got left to do is watch as they slowly die as we get older.
	That's not the case.
	And most of us didn't have the right nutrients when we were kids.
	You can grow new brain cells.
	You're right.
	This is incredible new research just been out in the last couple, three years.
	Probably spinach.
	What is it that you can eat that will grow new brain cells for you?
	Well, you know, lots of vegetables definitely help because there's lots of phytochemicals in there that are important.
	But really what brain cells are made of is fat.
	Oh, fat?
	Yeah!
	Well, then a lot of people are going on a fatless diet.
	Well, then, going on a diet, you would think you'd be killing off the brain cells.
	There are special kinds of fat.
	They're called long-chain fatty acids, omega-6 and omega-9.
	I see.
	So the fattest people are not necessarily the smartest.
	Okay.
	And these things, it's really interesting, they're found in breast milk of moms.
	Breast milk?
	Yes, but they aren't found in all the, what do you call it, the baby formulas.
	Except I think they just add one now, the FDA finally approved one.
	So all of us that didn't get breastfed, and all of us that used those baby formulas
	never got all those brain-growing nutrients because they're not usually in our diet.
	Well, I think we all know that breastfeeding confers upon the infant special immunities, or at least that's the old wise tale, and I don't think it's such an old wise tale.
	There's truth to it, isn't there?
	It gives immunities and natural things that we're meant to have.
	Oh, there's a whole bunch of new research on that, too.
	It's awesome stuff.
	The field of nutrition has grown incredibly, and in fact, as a matter of fact, you can change everything through nutrition.
	I can show you if I can put a person on a diet and get them out of depression.
	Just simply by having them.
	Actually, usually 80% of the time, if they just add more vegetables to their diet, they'll get out of the depression.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	I find most vegetables depressing.
	That's the problem right there.
	Not all my students, but the majority.
	What I have people do that are like that is I have them go get a vegetable juice cocktail that I haven't put a An apple in it, so it tastes a little bit like apple juice.
	And they get all their stuff in one drink, and then they can eat whatever they want.
	Really?
	Okay, so we don't have to consume lima beans or something truly ugly to grow new brain cells.
	Okay, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	That's interesting.
	That's the first person who's ever told me you can actually grow new brain cells and figures it would be vegetables, doesn't it?
	Or maybe that special drink.
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	Way out on the edge with Dr. Garland Landreth, but you know what?
	Not only is this out on the edge, I think it's also right on the mark.
	There's something to all this.
	The power of consciousness.
	Single, collective, and we'll discuss that aspect of it.
	Both singly and collective, it's an incredible power.
	Lactation for IQ. Hmm.
	Alrighty, here we are once again, Doctor.
	A lot of avenues I want to go down.
	I know you did an investigation into Crime and automobile accidents.
	What kind of investigation in those areas did you do?
	Well, what we did, the first study that I did actually was in 1976.
	And we looked at the population of the, we took a bunch of cities and we found out the crimes.
	And the crime, of course, is crime rates are reported to the FBI on an annual basis.
	So as soon as the city hit the 1% level of meditators, the crime rates dropped dramatically.
	Now, when I first started doing this, I thought I would have to do some kind of intricate statistical analysis to actually make this work.
	It didn't.
	It was so clear and simple and dramatic, it blew me away.
	So we waited a few more years.
	We looked at these same cities over a 12-year period, because we were afraid it was just an artifact.
	Whenever you look at things, it's always better to look at them in the longer term.
	Of course, yes.
	So, we eventually got this study published in the Journal of Crime and Justice, but it was a 12 year period.
	They controlled cities and the regular 1% cities.
	As soon as they acted the same until the 1% cities got about 1% of the population meditating, and then they dropped dramatically in crime.
	And they stayed that way over 6 years following that event.
	So it wasn't, and meanwhile the other cities who were in control went up in crime.
	Oh, that's just absolutely bizarre.
	It is bizarre, but you know what?
	No one can fault the research, because we didn't collect the data.
	The data was collected by the police people.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	There's no experimental bias in any of these studies.
	And it's really funny, because people are trying to criticize it all the time, and they fall on their face, because there's really no criticism.
	And automobile accidents.
	Well, I love that one.
	I expanded it to automobiles and suicides.
	Again, because they're collected on a regular basis in the same way by police departments.
	So it gets the experiment of bias out of the equation so people can't criticize it.
	That's right.
	You're working from stats.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	See, that's just it.
	And the beautiful part about this is these are real life experiments, not laboratory experiments.
	Now, what's interesting is, in psychology, What has been found is that people, when they're in a lab experiment, don't behave normally.
	So, since most psychological experiments are done in labs, there's a whole group of scientists that say that maybe all these psychological studies could be thrown out because people aren't behaving like they normally would in real life.
	Well, I'm sure that's correct.
	Okay, but as it relates to automobile accidents, what kind of stats did you go and look for?
	Those were ones just with the actual, not deaths, but just everything in general.
	And they were over $500.
	Because we figured that small, little, minor accidents can't really count.
	And also, they usually don't count them in the same category.
	And some cities, for instance, would have a separate category for that.
	But again, I don't understand exactly what you looked at.
	Oh, we looked at the same cities.
	The same group of cities that we looked at with crimes, we extended them to automobile accidents and suicides.
	Because it was easier to, that way we don't, because first of all... Wait a minute, you're telling me you found fewer automobile accidents in those states?
	Right.
	You found fewer suicides?
	Right.
	This is a 12 year period, we're not talking about a one year aberration.
	Right.
	Right, right, right.
	Six years before and six years after.
	So as a result of this, they've started doing some experiments to see if this is, you know, take groups of meditators to certain places and see if we could actually change the crime rates, change the quality of life in the area.
	Right.
	Now what's amazing is, see, this original experiment was done with people who didn't even know they were participating in an experiment.
	Like we talked about with Dr. Radin.
	He doesn't like people to know what's going on because that way it's more pure.
	Yes, of course.
	These original studies, they didn't even know that they were in an experiment.
	They didn't even know that they were participating.
	They were just meditating.
	The implications of this are incredible, just absolutely incredible.
	I mean, if it can be proven statistically to work, then I can see governments sponsoring actions of this kind.
	Well, that's exactly what the Transcendental Meditation people tried to do.
	They tried to get the government to sponsor it because they said, we can reduce your crime.
	As a matter of fact, they even did a demonstration project in Washington, D.C.
	Oh?
	This is amazing.
	Because nobody was believing the research.
	And so, who and when?
	They took 6,000 meditators, Transcendental Meditators, and they brought them into Washington, D.C.
	in 1993.
	That's right after Clinton got in office.
	And I think they had Four different major universities, or five different major universities, were involved with the methodology, so it was completely out of the researcher's, completely out of the meditator's hands.
	But they predicted they were going to reduce the crime while they were there.
	They were there for six weeks, and they reduced the crime by over twenty percent.
	And the reason they chose Washington D.C.
	is because, first of all, it had a high crime rate.
	This should be gigantic news.
	You're right, but you know what?
	It took, I think they finally got it published in 1999.
	They kept criticizing it.
	They said, well, there was a heat wave when it happened.
	And so therefore, the research wasn't, you know, it was an aberration.
	And so what they did is they went back, the researchers went back and looked at every year if they had the same high temperature.
	They had to go back 20 years.
	But even so, you would think a heat wave, if anything, would contribute to more crime.
	That's what they found.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And so they were trying, you know, but we finally got the thing published.
	The people in charge of the Washington, D.C.
	Police Department were also involved with this.
	The mayor of Washington, D.C.
	was involved with this.
	We notified the press.
	So it was as good an experiment as you can do.
	It was also done in real life, not in a laboratory.
	But I mean, with all of this under our belt, and you've documented quite a bit here, this should add up to a, oh gosh, one of the networks is going to go do a big story on this, because there's a lot to tell.
	Well, here we go back to the collective consciousness.
	And I think this is where you're coming in.
	Because people were not finding it acceptable.
	Look at all the studies done on prayer research.
	And they've been criticizing that.
	Only in the last two or three years have they really, really started to accept it.
	Started to turn around and recognize the validity of it.
	I mean, how can you ignore the kind of numbers that they've produced?
	That's just it.
	Well, they were criticizing the studies.
	You know, of course, about all the studies, and they're blind, too.
	In other words, they would pray for one person with a critical illness and not pray for someone else, and do this again and again and again, and with incredible high percentages, the people who were prayed for got well or lived.
	At an incredibly higher rate now.
	All of this has deep and important meaning.
	I mean, taken together... Huge!
	That's right.
	And so, where is the media?
	Now, scientists have begun to embrace this information to some degree, but it really should be more in front of the public right now, so that there's more done with it.
	I think the reason I wanted to come on your show Was to really, really hit people with some of these research studies and show them how powerful these research studies are.
	Because I really want people to know that by thinking that we can make a difference in this world, I think that this world has gotten so destructive.
	And I think you pointed that out in your book really eloquently, but in terms of nature.
	But I think we have a severe crisis coming on to our own self.
	We're creating with all this negativity.
	I have certainly I mean, for example, I've had a string of shows, Doctor, where I've had Hopi elders on.
	Yeah, beautiful.
	I love that show.
	I was transfixed by that.
	I happened to hear that one.
	You really have been a listener, right?
	So they have predicted some pretty dire things, and I've had silent moments of reflection when I've wondered if putting this sort of thing in the minds of millions of people That there's dire prophecy.
	Right.
	That something terrible could happen to the earth.
	What that does, when you put that out there, does that, is that like lighting a fuse?
	Beautiful.
	Well, is it?
	Or the other option is, can we do something about it?
	Or can you, yeah, can you prevent?
	Well, I think that, first of all, if we look at the mind as a quantum field, In other words, it has no boundaries in time and space.
	And I believe that's fair.
	In other words, as we hear about quantum science, I've had quite a few theoretical physicists on, they suggest that ultimately a quantum computer, for example, might extract information from adjacent dimensions.
	It might look across time, as we're talking about the mind doing, And it might actually extract information like a giant Google of the cosmos or something.
	Right.
	And be able to give you answers that you would not otherwise get when we get to quantum computers.
	And of course then we'll have other issues like artificial intelligence and machine consciousness.
	That's one to work on.
	Right.
	Talk about, have you considered that?
	Well, I think that would be another whole topic, but you know, I think there's some truth to it.
	I think consciousness is everywhere.
	I think the universe is consciousness.
	And like I was saying with this analogy of the ocean, and we're just like little waves on the ocean, but I think the same way it goes with quantum field theory.
	The ocean in this sense is the quantum field, and then what we see is those individual waves.
	We don't see the ocean, but there is a Interaction between the mind and also with, in other words, there's very similar parallels between these two analogies.
	Take the Washington experiment that you talked about.
	There were thousands involved in the experiment.
	So that would clearly indicate that somebody believes that the power of many minds with directed intent That's exactly the whole thought.
	Also, whether the mind is quiet or not, because the more quiet the mind is, the more powerful the mind is.
	If there's anxiety in the mind, it doesn't have the same kind of effect as if the mind is very quiet.
	That's why we think that we're getting such huge effects with small numbers of meditators.
	For instance, in one of Dean Radin's studies, he actually looked at a group of meditators.
	He had these machines running all the time.
	Right.
	So he went back and we were saying, okay, we just had a course.
	It was after September 11th, I believe.
	It was after September 11th.
	It was after one of those things.
	But it was long enough afterwards, the machines had gotten back to randomness again.
	I think it was after September 11th, they had a course to kind of quiet the consciousness of the United States.
	The theory is, that's what the TM group says, Is that when you have lots of negative thoughts, it has an influence on the destructive element of creation.
	Okay?
	There's two elements to creation.
	There's the destructive and the creative.
	When there's an imbalance, you meditate.
	You don't even have to direct your thoughts.
	All you have to do is meditate.
	Sit in that quietness.
	It stimulates the creative element of, helps create more balance between the two.
	That's the theory, but you know, that's how they talk about it.
	So what they were doing is they were just having a course of about 1,600 people.
	Well, they got similar results with that 1,600 people meditating in one spot as they did when 1 billion people were watching the O.J.
	Simpson trial on the machines.
	So in other words, when they have a billion people watching a trial, you've got these machines going crazy, producing non-random events.
	So they got the similar kind of experience.
	So I'm saying when you can reduce this, make the mind quieter, you can not only pick up on those cues that we were talking about before in many of those research studies, but also we have an effect on the environment.
	The environment becomes more conducive to reducing tension.
	And the theory is that tensions create war.
	And this war also creates environmental problems.
	In other words, as you get more tension in the world, It creates more environmental imbalances.
	And that's basically what the Hopis were saying, too, when they were talking about it, but they used a little bit different language.
	They did, but their message ultimately was pretty negative.
	They were suggesting that it's already too late.
	The events unfolding are underway.
	I would disagree with that.
	Well, you might, but that's what they said.
	Yeah, no.
	I mean, I love what they had to say, but I would disagree that it's inevitable.
	Because I think that if the mind is quantum, it means it can do anything it wants to do at any time.
	Time and space have real no meaning.
	So we can kind of circumvent this whole problem if we can somehow get enough people doing the same thing at the same time in support of the laws of nature.
	That's the caveat there.
	That's the tricky part.
	Are we so sure we understand the laws of nature?
	I mean, you can sit there and say... Right, right, right.
	No, that's a good question.
	That's a very good question, and I understand what you're saying.
	I think, again, it comes down to the experience of pure consciousness.
	In other words, it may, for example, be a terrible thing, certainly from our perspective, when a gigantic hurricane goes slamming into Florida or Louisiana and kills hundreds or thousands of people.
	Right.
	From our point of view, that's a horrible thing.
	But from nature's point of view, it may well be that that hurricane is like something that cools our atmosphere.
	It may be nature's way of cooling our atmosphere and equalizing things, and something that actually has to happen in the larger scheme.
	But from our perspective, it's not so cool when a bunch of people drown.
	It's true.
	So that's what I meant when I said, do we really understand the laws of nature?
	Or if we begin to manipulate these forces, wouldn't it be the natural human thing to use this power to our advantage and put the hurricanes off course and the tornadoes and things that we would consider damaging to our own?
	Yes, I think you're making brilliant points.
	Brilliant philosophical questions that really I'm trying to do it in support, you see, of saying that we don't properly understand this forest sufficiently to be just experimenting with it.
	I certainly like what you have done in support of the whole process in looking at these stats.
	That makes sense to me.
	And it just sort of underlines all this as being absolutely real.
	But when we get down to the actual use part of it, You say, in support of the laws of nature, I just don't know that we properly can interpret them.
	I agree.
	And the only way they can be, with the human consciousness, I don't think we can actually understand fully the laws of nature.
	I don't.
	So what I do think we can do is we can, through consciousness, stimulate the laws of nature through pure consciousness.
	And therein lies the difference.
	When these meditators are sent to these places, they aren't They're meditating on the effects.
	They're meditating on pure consciousness.
	The effects happen afterwards.
	This is what I was trying to talk about before with the Dean Radden experience.
	Some of these experiments were done where people were focusing on machines.
	The others were done when they focused on something else, but they changed the machines.
	Well, has it occurred to you that this is now public enough and obviously has been researched enough startling results that at the government and specifically
	for example the pentagon and those who do
	and that sort of thing is that this would have got perhaps uh... has gotten
	their attention you know i think the people in
	it's so hard for us to even get conservative but the scientists to agree to this stuff even
	though the researchers bearing in the faith
	we have now between the prayer studies you know that the princeton group study
	the meditation studies we have now with just the group consciousness studies
	alone not the individual with stuff that we were talking about before
	uh... we have probably close to my guess is a hundred and
	40 or 150 good studies showing, and plus the stuff you did, there's another 10 or 15 of them.
	Of course, nobody published them or there wasn't any documentation, but they were good studies.
	What do you think the Defense Department, for example, would do with something like this?
	They don't believe it.
	They don't believe it?
	You think they don't believe it?
	No, I don't.
	I have talked to lots of scientists and I've talked to people in the military.
	They don't believe it?
	They don't believe it.
	They absolutely do not believe it.
	Yeah, but remember remote viewing.
	They seem to believe that.
	$20 million, 20 years, the CIA.
	Hold on, Doctor.
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	It's about as interesting as it gets.
	This is Dr. Garland Landreth tonight.
	We're talking about mass consciousness, projection of mass consciousness.
	And I guess, in a way, simplify just right down to the power of the mind.
	But with stats to back up what we're saying.
	Stay right there.
	Well alright, Dr. Landreth, welcome back.
	You've got a website, by the way, don't you?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, what's on it?
	Well, I have a bunch of pages on there.
	It's called Universe Live Within, and I have things on there that will help you tune in and quiet your mind so you can pick up on and become more intuitive.
	I also do some life coaching kinds of things where I teach people how to Get over some blocks.
	It's a little bit different than cycling.
	I tend to like to look at things as being life coach, which is a more positive outlook, instead of needing a life coach as somebody that helps a person get over to something, a much better place.
	We're doing fairly good now, but they want to go further.
	How do you make your living as a psychologist?
	Generally, you don't have books here.
	You're not selling books.
	Right.
	I have some meditation tapes that I think would be really good for your audience.
	So that's how you make your living?
	Yeah, and then I do consulting, you know, with client-to-client.
	Okay.
	And I do some work with the Special Olympics as well.
	Oh, you do?
	Yeah, I love it.
	All right.
	This being the third time, I think I've asked you now about some experiments that were done in war zones, and you changed the subject each time.
	What's the deal there?
	Well, I wanted to get a background before I went into those, because they're so fascinating, but because we had We've gotten so little press coverage and nobody seemed to realize what's going on with the other studies.
	We did some demonstrations in actual war zones in the 1980s and they're quite dramatic.
	Tell me, tell me.
	They were done in Lebanon and this was during those years in the 80s when Lebanon was regularly being shelled.
	Oh yes.
	And what they did is they took a series, they took about four or five cities, they randomly chose one.
	And these were cities that had, on the average, 1,000 shells per year hitting the town over the past three years.
	Okay?
	We took one city, we taught about 1% of them to meditate, and then what happened was, the next year, no shells hit that city.
	But meanwhile, they continued shelling the other four cities, which are about a couple miles away, They continued shelling them for the next year for about a thousand shells.
	See, I had no idea any of this was going on.
	Well, that's not true.
	I knew some research was going on, but not at the levels that you've quoted tonight.
	It's amazing to me that people don't understand it.
	I haven't heard about it because they have been attempting to get this knowledge out there because that's why they have been doing demonstration projects.
	They did another demonstration project in Israel.
	This blows my mind, too.
	Who, by the way, is they?
	The Transcendental Meditation Group.
	Okay.
	They are the ones doing, spreading most of the meditation research.
	And what did they do in Israel?
	Well, they sent in about four or five hundred meditators, similar to the Washington, D.C.
	study.
	The reason I brought the other studies up first is we did similar kinds of things.
	Right.
	And I wanted to explain the research protocol, why the research was so powerful.
	In other words, you know, instead of just, we were looking at raw data.
	And before I went to these more extreme, because I think these are the most interesting studies we've done.
	And they sent them in, and here they again did the study with independent researchers from several universities in Israel, and also in the United States, who were consultants on the research methodology.
	And what they did there, they looked at all kinds of things, from not only crime rates, automobile accidents, fires, and stock markets in Israel, but they also looked at things like war deaths and war intensity.
	War death is easy to measure.
	War intensity is... I guess they did it by the amount of battles that were being fought during those three months in 1983.
	Right.
	And so they found that they looked at not only Israel, but also Lebanon and Jerusalem as well.
	And of course they found better quality of life with all the variables I mentioned, including crimes, automobile accidents, fires, and stock market activity.
	While they were there, and they also found less deaths and decreased war tensions.
	This is, you know, quite profound research.
	It's very profound, and at a national level, you know, I asked you earlier what applications you think the, you thought the Defense Department might see here, and you said, well, they don't believe it.
	Well, at some point they're gonna, or somebody big is gonna, and this is suddenly going to be gigantic, gigantic news.
	Well, you know the famous director, was it David Lynch?
	Who?
	Who did what?
	He is sponsoring David Lynch, the famous movie director.
	He has organized a group now to get 8,000 meditators in one spot, which is hopefully enough to actually change the consciousness of the world.
	The thinking is that we can get enough of these people doing the same thing at the same time, We can maybe change the war levels in a permanent way.
	So he has already, I think they've collected already a hundred million dollars.
	There's a lot of people who, if they understood this, for example in the way you just now explained it, to some ears it might sound like mind control.
	Yeah, I understand completely what you're saying.
	Do you?
	Let me put this another way.
	I'm going to explain this.
	I've been thinking about this in the last break, and I want to put it another way.
	What you're talking about, I agree with your position.
	We're not really butting heads on this issue.
	What we're trying to do is understand the different elements that go into this thing.
	We've kind of touched on all these issues now in the last couple hours.
	If pure consciousness, which is that fundamental, mystical experience that all different religions seem to have, to some degree, because I can point out St.
	Augustine quotes, and he talks about it, and all these different people in the Christian religion, too.
	If this is the fundamental substratum, and if it is equivalent to the vacuum state, or the quantum field level in physics, then if we can somehow stimulate it, Then we can stimulate all the laws of nature.
	Now, we have shown in numerous experiments that through consciousness alone we can stimulate things.
	We can change the behavior of machines.
	We can change prayers.
	We've done incredible things, good things for people.
	But what if we put attention on the quantum field level of consciousness, which would be pure consciousness?
	It's the same way.
	Maybe it's stimulating the laws of nature so that the laws of nature respond more.
	It's not the same as controlling the laws of nature.
	It's stimulating them.
	And when the meditators go in, they do not think about reducing crime.
	They simply meditate.
	And they stimulate what is supposed to be the laws of nature.
	The theory is there's a destructive element and then there's a creative element.
	And sometimes the destructive element overshadows the creative element.
	And I think that's what's happening today.
	In your book, the beautiful book you wrote on the environment, it displays it perfectly.
	And when that happens, nature responds.
	And when you have the destructive element overshadowing the creative element, nature takes issue with it and tries to restore the balance.
	And that's why you get all these earthquakes and hurricanes that cause a lot of destruction and all that.
	That's the theory.
	And so, in essence, we're using consciousness not to change people's individuality, not to have mind control, but what we're doing is stimulating the laws of nature of pure consciousness and letting, changing the actual vibrations in the area, the collective consciousness of the area.
	I'm just saying that everybody might not look at it that way.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's a good point.
	Alright, now I would like to bring some callers on and see what they have to contribute and so let's do that.
	I try to get that done in the last hour here.
	First time caller on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Well, hi and thanks to both of you for doing the show.
	Sure.
	I have two brief questions and if we have time a brief comment.
	Do you think, Dr. Landreth, of Deepak Chopra's idea that basically we already are creating, we already are using these sorts of, I guess you could call them powers, but in effect putting this sort of thing out thousands of times per second into the quantum field, but in the same way that motion pictures appear to be moving but they're actually 60 still frames a second, That we're all putting these thoughts and configuring this stuff thousands of times per second, and so it is seamless and apparently invisible.
	And then my second question... Hold on, that's a lot there.
	Doctor?
	That's actually probably really close to what quantum physicists would say about normal situations in the real world.
	They would say that what we see outside doesn't really exist.
	But rather it's a fluctuation of the vacuum state.
	In other words, these are energy potentials constantly coming into existence and flickering back out and coming back into existence.
	So, that's very similar to what quantum field theorists, you know, in quantum physics would say.
	Of course, it gets really abstract, what I'm talking about right now.
	Right.
	Should I ask the second one now?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I think it's a brilliant thought.
	Thank you!
	That's why I think that we have We can change.
	We can change what's going to happen.
	I've got that.
	All right.
	Your second question.
	The second question sort of relates, and it's this idea from a book called Conversations with God, written by Neal Donald Walsh.
	It was actually on the show a few years back.
	He's great.
	He basically points out that creation is a, well, it's pointed out in the book, that creation is a thought, word, and deed process.
	And so while I understand that I'm wondering what you think of the idea of constantly
	focused thoughts, words and deeds in alignment with a particular creation, not only
	drawing that creation into form but also helping people tune to opportunities to create on the
	physical level as well.
	It sounds really good.
	I'm not sure I completely understand it, but I like the idea of helping people.
	I think that helps create incredible good things in the universe.
	Is that more or less what he's talking about there, or is he talking about something else?
	Well, no.
	It's basically any creation, any sort of manifestation that happens, you basically do your thoughts, your words, and your deeds all in alignment with the same thing.
	In other words, they match.
	You think these thoughts about things that you're putting out there You match your words to them, and then eventually you get to the point where you can... Oh, that's beautiful!
	Oh, I see.
	You're kind of like... Okay, visualization tech thing.
	Well, yeah, but it goes beyond that.
	It works on three different levels.
	Visualization is a thought level.
	Yes, that's brilliant.
	That's really... I do some of that with my clients.
	And I think it's wonderful.
	Yes, I remember... Okay, now I understand completely what you're saying.
	I think that's the only way to do it.
	You have to do it in a holistic way, in a total... in a way where it incorporates more than just thought.
	The idea of positive thinking is good, but it's only one element, and I think you're absolutely correct.
	That's a brilliant point.
	And then it also works on the quantum level, too, back to the first question, that all these things are putting these sort of quantum waves out, and that's how they come into form.
	That's brilliant!
	That's exactly what quantum physicists would say, and that's what I would concur completely with what's going on with the mind.
	We are putting out, in a sense we are creating, In a very real sense, whether we like it or not.
	And I think this is another answer to the question, Art.
	Because we're always creating anyway, we're already putting these thoughts out.
	In a sense, we're already doing what you were doing on the show, but we're doing it in a negative way.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	But it seems to me that the number of people who are getting together, even by the thousands, and reducing crime rates, Or causing fewer automobile accidents or whatever other good they appear to be accomplishing are rather outnumbered by the number of people right now who are thinking that the environment is degrading at a remarkably fast clip.
	Oceans are melting.
	Ice is melting and becoming oceans in the north part of the world.
	The south part of the world is melting and calving.
	And the weather is changing rapidly, and a lot of people believe this.
	More and more people believe this.
	I think thanks to you and this show.
	I really do.
	I think you've helped change the collective consciousness.
	I really do.
	You and I, I think, though, may have different ideas about what's going on as a result of it.
	Anyway, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hi.
	How are you doing?
	You have a wonderful show.
	I just wanted to tell you that.
	I have a question for the doctor.
	Yes.
	This happened in 1969 in Vietnam.
	It was a war zone.
	I'm going to say this real quick and I'll just get off the line and listen to the doctor's opinion.
	I was working for three nights without sleep.
	When I finally fell asleep, I was dead to the world.
	Uh, my grandmother woke me up with a real urgency.
	She woke me up and, um, and she said, wake up, wake up.
	And I was dead asleep.
	I thought I was at home.
	You know, I thought I was back at home and I woke up and I saw my grandmother's face and I saw her body was like a veil.
	And, uh, I, I yelled and, uh, I, you know, I screamed because I saw her there and she was still alive.
	So I was, uh, Just a few seconds after that, we had a rocket attack, and she saved me.
	She saved my life.
	But all these years, I've been wondering what happened.
	I never understood what it was.
	All right, all right.
	Carl, hold on a sec.
	In a war zone, that's interesting.
	Now, Doctor, is it possible, this consciousness that we've been discussing tonight, perhaps now we look over at religion for a second.
	We say, is it logical, scientifically, that this consciousness, in some way, survives the physical death of the body?
	I think it's indisputable.
	Indisputable?
	I think, yes, I do.
	I think because of all this, well, I'll put you this way.
	We have a lot of good research that the consciousness can be outside of the body.
	And we didn't touch on a lot of that stuff, but some of the stuff that we've been talking about relates.
	In other words, consciousness acts on a quantum field level.
	If it is on a quantum field level, there is no time-space boundaries to it.
	And that's why, you know, this analogy keeps coming back.
	If it does operate on this level, there is no time-space boundaries.
	It's eternal.
	It's eternal, like the soul is said to be.
	Exactly.
	It's one and the same, I think.
	Okay.
	Are you used to the Rockies?
	You're on the air with Dr. Lander.
	By the way, that was a very incredible experience, and I think it was, again, an example of consciousness in a quantum field where there's no separation in time.
	Well, it may well be that that part of the mind that lit up like a bulb suddenly made its transmission in the form of Grandma.
	I don't know.
	Call her.
	Hello there.
	That's true.
	That's a good point.
	Yes, hello.
	This is Vinnie from Avon Lake, Ohio.
	Yes.
	There's a small group of PMers in Avon Lake.
	They bought a hotel here.
	Oh?
	But my question is, how to pay for all this?
	Because, frankly, I used to go to Fairfield, Iowa, at least during vacation time.
	But when I started running out of money, I'm not even doing that anymore.
	And I used to meditate in the Golden Dome.
	So you're asking how to pay for all what?
	All the large group.
	It's quite a problem, and the TM movement isn't what it used to be financially.
	I see what you're saying.
	So motivating and organizing and doing all of that, Dr. is saying, how do you pay for that?
	Well, I think it costs, according to what David Lynch is trying to do, it's really fascinating, he's trying to get enough people meditating in one spot.
	We calculated it out, for the price of one B-1 bomber, We could do it.
	People always compare things to a B1.
	A B1 bobber is worth a million dollars.
	We could have as many people meditating as we want to in one spot.
	It's like the gold standard.
	All right, hold it right there.
	I'm sure that for a G, a B1, you could get a lot of meditators.
	One way or the other.
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	I wonder if the laws of nature would allow us to collectively, millions of us, to burst a blood vessel in the temple of Osama Bin Laden.
	I wonder if the laws of nature would allow that.
	I wonder...
	What do you think, Doctor?
	Could we concentrate on bursting a blood vessel in Osama Bin Laden's brain?
	Well, that would probably work, but there's, I think, a far more positive way to do it, and that's to, again, meditate and stimulate those laws of nature and reduce the tensions and increase the creativity of people.
	Right now, I think we're in a world crisis.
	I mean, I think you've articulated it probably better than anybody I know.
	Yeah, there's not much question about that.
	And I think you're right.
	I think people are starting to become aware of it.
	But there seems to be inertia.
	Have you noticed that?
	I mean, in spite of all the fact that all these people are, you know, even agree with it.
	There seems to be huge inertia for doing something about it.
	There is.
	There is.
	But it's an accelerating, continuing process that hasn't stopped yet.
	No, no.
	And I agree.
	I think, but this is a continuum in the collective consciousness.
	The collective consciousness changes us as we grow as a people.
	I mean, if you think about it, in the wars past, nobody cared about collateral damage.
	Now it's a big deal.
	Yeah, that's all true.
	And the collective consciousness has changed.
	I'm not sure it's a gigantic move away from the concept of war.
	No.
	It is at least concerned about the innocence a little bit, I guess.
	Anyway, listen, we've got lots of people who want to talk to you.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is that me?
	Yeah, it's you.
	Oh, hi.
	How you doing?
	Okay, sir.
	A lot of... I was commenting about the whole Over the past couple weeks, I've listened to your show at night.
	I listen to it in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and I am a student of science of mine, and I've been at the Edgar Cayce Foundation, and Edgar Cayce was probably a world's foremost psychic who basically touched on the laws of the universe, and right now there's Esther Hick, Abraham Speaks tapes, I don't know if you've heard of those, where she talks about the law of allowing, the law of attracting.
	She basically touches on, which Eric Casey touched on in one of his readings that he did.
	Right, and your point is?
	Well, I was asking, he was talking about quantum physics as the consciousness is like a science Wouldn't it be more, like, metaphysical?
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, well, it seems to me that what Dr. Landreth has brought us is scientific evidence that appears to be proving the metaphysical in a scientific way.
	I think that's probably as good as I could have said, if not better.
	I mean, that is what you're doing.
	You've quoted a number of studies here.
	That are almost irrefutable evidence that what we're talking about is real, but I'm just not sure where we go with it from here.
	You seem more clear-headed about that than I am.
	I think healthy skepticism is good.
	I love your show because you are part scientist, and I think a healthy skepticism is good, and healthy to me means being open.
	You know, it gets really frustrating when people are skeptical but not even open.
	I don't mind skepticism.
	I think it's a good thing.
	I agree.
	Yeah, but I think when people aren't open, you're no longer having a dialogue.
	That's correct.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air with Dr. Landreth.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hello.
	My name is E.T.
	I'm calling from Roanoke, Virginia.
	We listen to you on WFIR.
	Yes, sir.
	One of the things I wanted to ask you was talking about listening to this thing.
	How do you listen to it?
	How do you listen to the message that's in there in your own mind, right?
	Yes.
	For years, I've studied martial arts.
	Yes.
	I tell this story about this gentleman who was walking behind me at a bar.
	He was four people behind me, didn't know him, never met him.
	He went to sucker punch me and I just got the sense to duck.
	I caught glasses.
	I would be walking by a table or something and somebody would knock over a glass and
	I would reach down and grab it.
	What we did is we trained ourselves to not only listen but to feel and by way of feeling
	is through like the hairs on your arms and things like that.
	It's almost like somebody's kind of touching you.
	Okay, so you're saying the process of the mental discipline of martial arts taught you Do exactly what we're talking about.
	Just by trying to feel and listen.
	Yeah.
	Beautiful.
	Because it's a bunch of things involved.
	It's not just one.
	It's not something that you can really hear, but it's something.
	The best way I can explain it is it's more of a feeling than a hearing.
	Well, it's definitely there.
	There's sure no question about that.
	Whatever it is, it's real and it's there and some take advantage of it and some don't.
	I personally think this way, Doctor, that those who are very successful, those who make a lot of money or become, I don't know, very popular or very well known in their field, whatever their field happens to be, are people who have become attuned to this and as a result make quick, instant, correct, frequently more than not, decisions.
	Yes, I think you're absolutely correct.
	And it's just that intuitive whatever.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	You two were talking the last hour about something that's close to what I've had a theory about for a long time.
	And that would be?
	Cybernetic technology, I believe, magnifies or increases the power of human consciousness.
	Our brains are electrical and computers are that way.
	This is like a greater electrical field somehow, and I sort of believe that if it's used properly, it could be used for like a conscious evolution, or if we are totally unaware of it, it could lead to unconscious de-evolution or devolution.
	Yes, yes.
	I was wondering if you could comment on that.
	Okay.
	Did you get all that, Doctor?
	I couldn't hear the question.
	Really?
	Oh gee, well she was saying the power could be used for conscious evolution or subconscious de-evolution.
	Unconscious.
	Unconscious, okay sure.
	And I think that's again getting back to the issue of pure consciousness.
	If we experience that we're more in accord with the laws of nature because that's equivalent to the vacuum or the quantum field in all of physics.
	It stimulates the laws of nature.
	We can never know all the laws of nature. It's impossible.
	We're only human beings.
	But we can stimulate them and make them more part of us.
	It doesn't mean that we'll be the same as everyone else. It means that those
	specific laws of nature that are in tune with us will become more
	dominant. Yes, but you see, I get the same nervous tick when I listen to you say that as I do when I listen to
	the people up at the HEART project say
	we don't have enough power to really do anything to the ionosphere but we can stimulate it.
	The ionosphere that is.
	And that gives me a kind of a nervous tick, because sometimes you don't know exactly what's going to happen when you tickle the tail of the tiger.
	International Line, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off for me, please.
	That's number one.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	I'd like very much to have a word, if I may.
	You may if you'll turn your radio off.
	Oh, hello.
	I'm going to hang up if you don't.
	I'm trying to get this radio off.
	Right.
	We'll wait for you.
	Okay.
	This is a lady down in Louisiana.
	Uh-huh.
	Many, many years ago, I had an experience, a religious experience, and I try not to go into that because a lot of people object to it.
	However, I would like for you, if you will, for those of us who are more illiterate in these, to find transcendental meditation for me, if you will.
	Divine Transcendental Meditation is what you were saying.
	It's the process of experiencing the experience of pure consciousness without thought, feeling, or object of perception.
	In other words, we transcend the consciousness of In other words, if we have the potential to have consciousness of something, we certainly have the potential of experiencing pure consciousness.
	In other words, you completely eliminate your surrounding influences and quiet yourself and go entirely within your own mind.
	The theory is that this stimulates the laws of nature that are particular to you and also particular to the surrounding environment in a beneficial way.
	And you can't predict what those In a sense, what those stimulation will be, only that will reduce the tension in the environment and help make other people make better decisions.
	You remember earlier in the program when I half-jokingly, only half, said it sounds like witchcraft, right?
	Yes.
	Well, have you ever considered that those who do practice the craft do have knowledge of these laws, perhaps to some greater degree than we do, and their manipulation You know what, I wouldn't be able to say much about it because I don't know a lot about it.
	You might want to look into it.
	Yeah, I would.
	You know, again, I think it's entirely possible.
	I think they would revere the environment from what I have, you know, from the little life contact I've had with them.
	And their reverence of the environment tells me that they appreciate the laws of nature.
	Well, it might further erode Your research from a credibility point of view to do so, but I'm telling you that eventually you're going to want to look at that.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I wanted to ask Art Bell and Dr. Landreth to explain the difference between meditating with a blank mind as opposed to meditating By concentrating on a certain problem, I think there's a big difference between the two.
	All right, well, here, let me give this example.
	There's a form of Buddhism called Nichiren Shoshu, Soka Gakkai, in which you chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, and you try to attain things in this lifetime.
	Millions of Japanese believe in this, and others around the world, for that matter.
	They believe that it is reasonable to Go into a state of meditation, which chanting is, sort of, and try and obtain a material thing, a raise, or a promotion at work, or a new refrigerator, or whatever you happen to need, going for material things.
	What about that, Doctor?
	Yes, I mean, I think you explained it pretty well.
	There are differences between different types of meditations.
	When I talk about pure consciousness, There's no real desire when you're in that state.
	You're in the state just enjoying all of creation, so to speak.
	Then you come out of it, you kind of have desires and all these different thoughts and everything else that comes up.
	So in the state, it's desire-free while you're there.
	But you can use that, like you were saying, to kind of create things as well by visualizing things.
	But you do it in a way that by letting it go.
	The secret to having a more powerful mind is to have the thought and to let go of the thought.
	And most people hold on to the thought and that's what makes it hard to manifest the thought.
	Alright, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, this is Steve calling from Avondale, Arizona.
	Yes, Steve.
	I'm actually an SGI member out here.
	And I thought it was kind of odd that you just brought that up, because that was one of the things I've been trying to call in and ask about, that, you know, one of the things we meditate on is the oneness of self and the environment, and how that relates to what he was talking about, the consciousness, and, you know, you have all these positive thinking people, You know, saying that if you think negative, negative things are going to happen.
	If you think positive, positive things are going to happen.
	And why can't we apply this to the war that's going on?
	And I'm sure there's more people praying for the war to end than there are the fanaticism of the people that are trying to cause it.
	So why can't we change those negative things into a positive thing?
	Doctor?
	Could you repeat it a little bit better?
	I couldn't quite understand it.
	He was basically saying we have the war going on, and terrorism, and I'm paraphrasing here, but why can we not I think we can't.
	I think the secret again comes to allowing... See, there's different levels of power of the mind.
	The mind has more power the more quiet it is.
	And I think we could do a lot more if we can learn how to let go a little bit.
	and whatever all.
	I guess you were talking about that with Ben Laden.
	But I think that you can end up with a lot of bad karma whenever you put stuff like that.
	But in a way, I guess that Ben Laden is such an amazing person.
	I mean, amazingly bad.
	Maybe it isn't bad.
	Who knows?
	I don't know.
	There's too many things going on there.
	Witchcraft, doctor, looking at witchcraft.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Garland Landreth.
	Hello.
	Yes, first of all, I'd like to say, Mr. Bell, it is so wonderful to hear you back on the air again.
	Thank you very much.
	Fabulous to hear you back.
	Thank you, thank you.
	And you sound better than ever.
	Thank you.
	I had a question for the doctor.
	Yes.
	First of all, one of your definitions that you gave before, I found to be an oxymoron.
	Not that I don't think that you're trying to do something really wonderful.
	Well, which one, sir?
	Which definition?
	When he was giving a definition of what Transcendental Meditation is, it's commonly known by all of the views on your show, most of them, I think, that thought manifests physical reality, collectively and individually.
	Yes.
	And that free will, the aspect of free will, is you manifest What you believe in, as an individual.
	Nothing can stop you from doing that.
	Okay.
	So, an oxymoron?
	I wanted to ask the doctor, I have a question.
	Alright, go ahead.
	Doctor, does the earth turn clockwise or counter-clockwise?
	You mean, does the earth turn clockwise or counter-clockwise?
	I mean exactly what the question is.
	Do you know what direction you're turning in on the planet Earth, on the orb of the Earth?
	Because the Earth is manifested through the collective consciousness of the individuals.
	Right.
	Is the Earth turning clockwise or counter-clockwise?
	Do you know or are you going to guess?
	Well... It's not a matter of relativity either.
	It's whether you're at the top of the pole or the bottom of the pole.
	I can't really remember.
	I'm not trying to attack you.
	I think it turned clockwise, if I remember right.
	I'm not trying to attack you, I just want to know.
	Do you know what direction that you're existing on?
	He jumped on a... I believe he... Sarah, hold it.
	He jumped on clockwise, I think.
	He said clockwise?
	No.
	No, it's counterclockwise.
	Counterclockwise, yeah.
	Okay, counterclockwise.
	Well, alright.
	Maybe we can all get together and, I don't know, start it going the other way.
	I'm not sure what the relevance of the question was exactly.
	At all.
	So there you are.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter because we're out of time.
	You have a website, Doctor?
	Yes.
	Universal Life Within.
	And that will help people in the process that we've been talking about tonight listen more closely to their own minds.
	Right.
	This has been a delight, Art.
	You're an amazing... I just love what you're doing with the show and I think you're In spite of yourself, you're having a huge positive effect on the laws of nature.
	Well, I hope so.
	I'm sure of it.
	Well, there's lots of times when I'm not.
	At any rate, either way, I appreciate your being here.
	Believe me, it was great.
	It's one of my favorite topics.
	Thank you, Doctor, and good night.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	All right, well, there you have it.
	I'm still not altogether sure about this power or process, but I know one thing.
	I know it's real.
	And I guess we will decide what to do with it.

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