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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gerald Celente - Trends for 2004

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be on the great globe and all those time zones, because we cover them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast A.M., and I'm Mark Bell, and we're about to go into Open Lines.
unidentified		Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything at all?
		It's the weekend, you know?
		And then, oh, by the way, next hour, let me go ahead and promo this, because it's kind of interesting.
		You know, a lot of times a guest will send us bullet points.
		You know, things that he thinks he would like to talk about.
		I thought perhaps reading some of those for you tonight, I rarely get to hear them in line would just be kind of a good preview of what's going to happen.
		Joe Selete, who talks about trends, is going to be enough like predicting, I guess, in a way.
		Although, instead, he's basing what he's going to say on the way things are going right now.
		And then from that, of course, you project how things will turn out.
		Trends.
		He wants to talk about things like the economy of 2004, a mutiny, I wonder what he means by that, in Iraq, the last years of the Catholic Church as a major institution, gold, a recession in 2006, terrorism trends, and the U.S. wildcards that could wreck the economy, take away even more liberties, income, and benefit decline for most U.S. workers.
		That certainly is going on.
		Social demoralization, sheep-like society, future of real estate, job outlook, entertainment trends, election 2004, clean food trends, effects of war on terror, on tourism, the Euro versus the dollar, the growing gap between the rich and poor in the U.S. The miserable holiday sales that didn't make the news.
		Spin cycle 2004.
		Don't believe anything you hear coming from politicians.
		It's a year of the big lie.
		And that just gives you a little kind of a little preview of the things we're going to touch on beginning next hour.
		This hour, anything goes.
		In Baghdad, a suicide driver, and we had the bullet last night before we left the air, set off a truck bomb at the gates of the U.S.-led coalition headquarters Sunday, killing about 20 people, wounding 63 in the deadliest strike easily, the deadliest attack since Saddam has been captured.
		A bickering to the very last, Democrats traded Insult Sunday as they reached for the finish line in a very close, caustic Iowa caucus race, the first step toward picking President Bush's rival, whoever that's going to be.
		Two state prison guards were taken hostage by inmates early Sunday, and negotiations were called in to try and defuse that situation.
		All this in Buckeye, Arizona.
		One inmate attacked a guard shortly after 5 in the morning during breakfast prep and met up with another inmate in the prison yard, and the two gained access to the officer's tower, so a mess down there.
		Hampered by snow and low clouds, U.S. and Canadian crews called off rescue efforts Sunday for, and people believed, killed when a small regional airline plane crashed into icy Lake Erie shortly after taking off from a Canadian island.
		Single-engine plane crashed in snowy weather late Saturday afternoon, and by Sunday was submerged in 24 feet of water about a mile east of Pele Island, the Ontario provincial capital.
		And so I've got quite a bit for you this evening, quite a number of other things, and then we will dive directly into open line.
unidentified		Music All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is kind of interesting stuff.
		And this apparently is a reprint from Newsmax.com.
		Stephen Douglas, a military radio hobbyist in Amarillo, Texas, monitored a very curious exchange on the morning of Jan 7th, January 7th, sorry.
		An unidentified aircraft, calling itself Lockheed Test 2334, told FAA controllers in Albuquerque, New Mexico that it was going, quote, going supersonic somewhere above flight level 60, meaning 60,000 feet, end quote.
		According to Douglas, the FAA controllers questioned the aircraft.
		Say what type craft requested the controller.
		And quote, the answer, we are a classified type and cannot reveal our true altitude.
		A few minutes later, the same pilot requested permission to descend to 30,000 feet and a flight path to Las Vegas with final destination somewhere in the Nellis range.
		The FAA controller responded, trip home a bit slower, to which the mystery aircraft did not respond.
		Interesting.
		The exchange, monitored by Douglas, is similar to early military radio transmissions monitored in the late 1990s.
		An unidentified aircraft, codenamed Stovepipe, once requested permission to cross the California border and wrote to Nellis.
		The aircraft refused to give its true altitude and speed.
		Californians, however, were quickly made aware of Stovepipe because it generated a rather intense sonic boom as it passed over the coastline.
		The aircraft set Off several earthquake monitors as it passed overhead at several times the speed of sound, I might add.
		The space shuttle is known to trigger earthquake detectors when it passes over California for landing at Edwards.
		And I must say, I have a lot of friends in California, and lately I've been hearing a lot of stories of really weird aircraft moving overhead.
		Now, here's further down in the article, Invisible Airplanes.
		What is the Skunk Works testing today?
		The unofficial reports indicate that the super secret aircraft builders are hard at work on, yup, an invisible airplane.
		Stealth was the watchword for the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.
		However, the stealthy strike fighter was visible to the naked eye, limiting its attack missions to the deep dark of night.
		Today, advances in light panel technology are pushing the limits of invisible airplanes.
		The fact is that aircraft stand out against the bright blue sky, obviously, as darker objects, but by using panels of light, the aircraft does virtually disappear against the blue sky.
		Ironically, the concept, of course, is new.
		In the 1940s, the U.S. Navy developed Operation Yehudi, the first practical attempt to create an invisible aircraft.
		U.S. Navy bombers were considered too slow to visually spot a German U-boat cruising on the surface in an attack in daylight.
		U-boat commanders often spotted the lumbering bombers and dived safely away before the planes could attack.
		In response, a string of bright lights were arrayed on the wings and the propeller hubs of the subhunter planes.
		The bomber crews adjusted the lights to match the natural background light behind the aircraft, masking their planes against the sky.
		But it would appear now that we are testing an invisible aircraft, and it may well be that some of you out there have, well, I guess I can't say that you've seen it, right?
		But I wonder how many of you in California, because I've heard this echoed a lot of times, have looked up expecting to see an aircraft somewhat ahead of the sound as you would normally look for it.
unidentified		But it's not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, we are testing invisibility.
		Pretty cool stuff, I'd say.
		Listen, the President, as you know, would like to set NASA on a new course for exploring the far reaches of our solar system, starting with a long-term research base on our moon.
		But the White House says the venture will not require major spending increases in the short run.
		That's interesting.
		Presidents often do that.
		They lay out great programs, but they don't fund them, particularly in the short run, i.e.
		translation, the years that president will be in office, you know, let the big debt and the bill come due during somebody else's administration.
		Bush, who was laying out his vision in a speech Wednesday at the Space Agency's headquarters, will offer a new plan to explore space, extend a human presence across our solar system, says the proposal will give NASA a new focus and long-term vision for future exploration that will focus on a renewed spirit of discovery.
		And, you know, let me add here that I am a supporter of the space program, and I believe what we do in space comes back and pays us back, you know, things we learn and the new products we come up with.
		And I don't know, it's a frontier that's out there and waiting for us.
		And I am not going to be sad that the U.S. is rich enough, and it certainly is, by the way, to take care of its own and walk and chew gum at the same time, have a space program of some description.
		I think it's the nature of man to want to explore.
		Don't you?
		Well, there are some worrisome ecological things.
		And I know some of you think that it's virtual communism, right?
		If you talk about the environment or global warming, it's got to be communism because it's going to put a wrench right in the middle of the economy.
		And of course it would.
		On January 7th, a report in the journal Nature said climate change could speed a million land-based species toward extinction within the next 50 years.
		Many of your lifetimes out there.
		The next day, the World Watch Institute declared modern lifestyles were bad for us and unsustainable for the planet.
		The UK government's chief scientist now says that climate change, listen to this now, is a far worse danger than international terrorism.
		Now that's worth considering.
		The UK's number one scientist saying the climate change is far worse in terms of danger to us than international terrorism ever will be.
		A triple onslaught like that defies anyone to head into the new year feeling even slightly positive about the human condition, yet life does go on, of course.
		And most of us need to worry about paying the Christmas bills they racked up and not about the world bereft of a quarter of all the animals and plants that are here right now.
		That's hard to worry about, I suppose.
		Researchers say that most of the human diseases of the future will be passed to us from animals.
		That's something to think about.
		Right now, bird flu from Asian chicken farms is killing people in Vietnam.
		That seems too far away to be worrying about here, right?
		But SARS seemed the same way.
		It was in China.
		And then, oh, it was in Canada, right?
		Remember when they first discovered SARS in China?
		You saw the first report.
		Well, you shrug and you go, well, it's a very small world now, and it looks like the bird flu might be next.
unidentified		Japanese have something new, pretty cool, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Japanese company Takara, which invented decoders to help you understand what your cat and dog are saying, see, I didn't know that, has now invented a product which lets you create your own dreams.
		CNN covered this.
		You might have seen it.
		Pretty cool.
unidentified		Create your own dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the first step in doing this is recording your future dream by describing it to a special tape recorder.
		When you're asleep, the recorder senses when your body is having periods of REM or rapid eye movement, which is when people dream.
		And then it plays the recording along with appropriate music, lights, and smells.
		So it's a dream machine, folks.
		And then you proceed to have the dream that you wanted to have.
		Now, is that cool?
		Or what?
		A dream machine.
		So you can design your own dreams.
		I suppose you have to be careful there.
		I mean, what if somebody got hold of your dream machine recorder?
		Then you would potentially perhaps be in trouble.
unidentified		So that's some world we live in, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A dream machine.
		I'd kind of like to have one of those myself, I think.
		Two new, speaking of SARS, two new SARS cases have just come to light in China, bringing back fears that that epidemic may return.
		China is destroying a very large number of civic cats, the carriers of the disease.
		But the man who has just recovered from SARS says he's never eaten the animal.
		A second suspected case is a 20-year-old waitress who worked in a restaurant serving wild game.
		The researchers say the new SARS strain is more, this is in quotes, human-like, making it even more infectious than the strain that caused the previous outbreak.
		So in other words, SARS, it would seem, has mutated.
		And this time, it's a little more ready for human assimilation.
		So these are pretty scary things in the news.
		And again, I know it's easy to shrug, right?
		Very easy to shrug.
		You can say, ah, well, you know, it's in China.
		But you've got to remember that last time it was in China one day, and the next day it was in Canada.
		Or seemingly the next day, close enough.
		And so one of these days, one of these species-jumping monsters is going to be here.
unidentified		Just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the age we live in.
		It's part of what I still call the quickening.
		All right.
		Open lines were promised.
unidentified		Open lines are delivered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Western of the Rockies, you're on coast to coast AM.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, this is Rattles up in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of Alaska?
unidentified		I live 30 miles out of Fairbanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30 miles out of Fairbanks?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine this would be a fairly brutal time of year for you.
unidentified		Hey, talk about brutal.
		And people were squawking last week over in New England about the cold weather.
		That's right.
		I was watching on the news a bit, and they don't know how to handle it quite right, their power outages and whatnot.
		Right last night, the 57 below zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was 57 below zero there where you are?
unidentified		Yep, and I called my neighbor this morning.
		He just rode a mile.
		He had 60 below.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		60.
		Yeah.
		I've been in that weather.
		I used to live in Anchorage, and Anchorage, of course, doesn't get nearly the weather Fairbanks does, but occasionally, even the mountains and the water around Anchorage don't help.
		And it comes from the interior.
		And Anchorage, for a couple weeks, you know, during the winter, can get down to 30 and 40 below zero.
		So I experienced plenty of that.
		Pretty weird stuff, huh?
unidentified		Yes, it's really unique when it gets to that temperature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get ice fog.
unidentified		Yeah, not just that.
		Like, the China Hawk Springs Road is a mile away from me.
		And when it gets to the 60 below, it sounds like it's right out front of my house.
		Your footsteps sound like you're walking on brittle glass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people down here in this part of the world probably would be interested in why you choose to live in a place where it gets that cold.
unidentified		I tell you why.
		Like today, it was really cold and yesterday, but I go outside anyhow.
		It doesn't matter.
		We've got the right clothing, and you've got to eat the rights.
		You can't get up and eat puffed rice and expect you're going to stay warm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You have to eat a lot of grease and a lot of food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but why do you live there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Right now, there's no motor homes.
		There's no bugs.
		Very few people.
		It's pretty peaceful.
		Well, you got the Hunt Project, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		No, it is pretty peaceful up there.
		It's wild, and Alaskans are a wild people.
		They're really cool.
		I loved it in Alaska.
unidentified		Yep, I like it here, too.
unidentified		I've been here almost 30 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you're darn near a native.
unidentified		And you know what?
		The longer I live here, the more I watch the native folks, because they survived here for tens of thousands of years.
		That's right.
		You know, nothing eating that marine mammal stuff, you know, the seal oil and blubber.
		Yes.
		Because of that, when it gets super cold, Caucasians don't like that stuff at all.
		It's not very powerful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I honestly can't say I'm into sealed blubber.
unidentified		But one night at 45 below, I had to go do some trail work.
		I was putting it off, putting it off.
		The thermometer wouldn't come up, so I had to go do it.
		And I took two little swallows of seal oil, and I went out at the 45 below in a snow machine, and about 15, 20 minutes later, I was taking the park off.
		I'm talking about generating some heat now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, it makes you like a boiler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll bear it in mind, sir.
		If I'm ever stranded in your part of the world, seal blubber oil.
		It is an unusual land to live in.
		There's absolutely no question about that.
		Alaska is a beautiful, it's beyond description.
		I lived there for three years, and you travel a lot in Alaska by airplane because that's the only way you can go.
		And so you get a lot of low-level flights over the Alaskan outback, as it were.
		And it is just stupendous.
		It's just an incredible place.
		I have been back a couple of times, and a lot of very good memories in Alaska.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air, but without a lot of time.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hey, what I want to know is I was just hearing the Stephen Gibbs show the other day with George Nouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I first heard it with you back in 97.
		That's right.
		It was just a couple of weeks before, which they just reminded me of with you last night talking with Peter about the Phoenix lights things.
		That was quite an event.
		But what I want to know is if you did use the machine, if you did get a machine from Steven, and if you have any thoughts on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The time machine, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to hold on during the break?
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		Well, then I'll tell you all about it.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night.
unidentified		You get a chill in the dark.
		It's raining in the fog.
		Meantime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast Coast AM.
unidentified		Sound of the river, you're stopping your hope.
		Please don't know why.
		Baby, when you need a smile, There's no shadow, there's no way to come to me.
		Baby, you'll see.
		I love you, baby, baby.
		Who's gonna help me through the night?
		I love you, baby, my wife.
		Who's gonna love you, love you.
		Who's gonna love you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a moment, I'm going to tell you what little there is to tell about the time machine that, yes, indeed, oh, yes, I do have.
unidentified		The Time Machine All right, wild card line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were asking about the time machine.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here's the story.
		Yes, I have.
		When I did the show with Stephen Gibbs, I was impressed enough, you know, with what he actually had built to purchase one.
		And so I've got it.
		And I'll tell you, here's what I'll tell you.
		It's got the biggest Honkin electromagnetic device you've ever seen in your whole life.
		And I only know this, that somewhere along the line, in time travel, if it's real, electromagnetism is going to be involved, probably along with RF.
		Now, this thing has an electromagnet that would lift your...
		It's going to generate one hell of a lot of electromagnetism.
		And so looking at it and knowing really what it was, sir, I have erred on the side of caution.
		And the instructions say, lay that big honking electromagnet on your chest and plug it into the wall.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I've refrained from doing that, knowing roughly what it is.
		That doesn't mean that it won't work.
		It may work.
		One never knows.
		The closest we got, we had a company party, and we had a clear-channel attorney here, and my wife, who doesn't have the restraint that I have, had wired this attorney up and was ready to plug him into the wall when I grabbed her hand.
		So that's the story.
		Otherwise, it's in the closet, and maybe one day when I figure I don't have much more to lose, I'll plug that mother in.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		So you thought there was a fear of actual electric shock of some kind or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Assuming the electromagnet functioned as designed, it would create a gigantic electromagnetic field.
		And I'm not sure that's a cool thing to do on your chest.
unidentified		You know, and I was wondering, did I remember you saying something about you worked on the original microwave design?
		Were you part of some kind of engineering team?
		I don't know if that's something that you designed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, in my past, I've worked in microwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I designed the microwave system and, in fact, put it together for what was then Times Mirror Cable in Las Vegas, and now is, I think, Cox Cable in Las Vegas.
unidentified		Oh, that's what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I worked in that field.
unidentified		You know, and I did see when I was in the Southern California, well, not all the way Southern, and kind of Southern Central, over in the mountains by China Lake.
		Yes.
		I saw some interesting airplanes.
		I've been around aviation, my family's in the military and aviation and stuff, and I never had seen those here before.
		And so I got to asking around to some of the locals if they had some and if I was just crazy or not.
		And it turns out someone had saw the same ones and ran a study on some photos and found it to be a French plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know all kinds of strange things.
unidentified		Have you heard that kind of thing?
		I mean, I've heard that there was presence of the UN in China Lake, and I haven't for just about a couple of years.
		It would be now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing would shock me, sir.
unidentified		Right.
		Hey, you know what else?
		Is there a way that you can give me the spelling of that Mitre thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not correctly.
		No, Mitrea.
		Sorry, I'll see what I can do for you.
		But I wouldn't venture because I know I'll get it wrong.
		I want to read you an email that I've got from a listener out there that echoes about, well, I don't know, about probably 2,000 of these that I've received.
		Dear Art, this is Gary Soltis, is it, from Santa Monica?
		Dear Art, I'm a listener to the show since 97.
		I moved to Los Angeles in 2001, and I listened to the show on KFI640 since then.
		This week, they decided to move George Norrie to 1-5, taking a live feed off and giving us a delayed feed, and putting another host in his place from 10 to 1 a.m., some John Ziegler.
		This was bad enough, but complaints made by the show's fans have been branded as rantings from the George Norrie nutcases, needing to know more about anal probes by Martians, etc.
		Those type of comments.
		A very smart-ass, immature attitude, if you will.
		Now, I know everyone's entitled to free speech, but it seems to me that the show, you, and George, and its listeners, are being insulted by the very station which carries it.
		I know I find it to be uncalled for and realize I could attempt to find the show on another affiliate, but still, KFI has the best seat in L.A. Personally, I don't believe it reflects well on the show or you and would hope you're seeking alternatives in the area.
unidentified		Well, Gary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Coast to Coast AM, this program, I guess I'm its daddy, right?
		I designed the format.
		I thought it up.
		It just happened, however you want to look at it.
		I began it.
		Alternative programming.
		This is alternative programming.
		Let's face it.
		We talk about stuff here that other people don't talk about.
		This is a talk show that touches on subjects that other talk shows wouldn't dare talk about.
		They wouldn't dare.
		So here's how I feel.
		You know, by 10 o'clock at night, the day's news, whatever the day's news is, unless it's another 9-11 or something of that magnitude, the day's news has pretty well been chewed to death, analyzed, chewed up, spit out by 10 o'clock at night.
		And by 10 o'clock at night, most people are ready to hear something a little different, right?
		Let their minds wander a little bit late at night.
		It's a great time late at night.
		You have the quiet.
		The phones aren't ringing.
		You can sit back and you can begin to imagine some things that otherwise you might not have a chance to imagine.
		That's what this program is about.
		And what KFI has done by just, well, it's a mystery to me.
		And it's a slap in the face.
		I think in every, I'll tell you something, in every single demographic group, and this is a true statement because I've seen it, in every demographic group, this program was clearly number one in its time slot on CAFI.
		Number one, right across the board, whatever age you are.
		That's a strong, strong number one, you know.
		There was some weakness, but it wasn't in Coast to Coast AM.
		It was in the three-hour program preceding Coast to Coast AM.
		And then at 10 o'clock, when you looked at the survey numbers and you do it by the hour, Coast went right up to number one and then got stronger and stronger each hour.
unidentified		That's a truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Robin Bertolucci was responsible for my return here on weekends, right?
		Robin has not only, in my opinion, made a terrible decision in moving coast from its normal time slot, 10 o'clock on the West Coast, but has replaced it with yet another news chewer.
		But you know then, what really is under my skin is the fact that when listeners made complaints, apparently on the air, you know, about the show's change, they go and insult the very loyal listeners that are complaining.
		How smart is that?
		Now, I wouldn't think to bash Mr. Ziegler, you know, the fellows trying to do that show, because that would stoop to the level of KFI.
		However, Robin Bertolucci has made a terrible decision and followed it up by either allowing or even encouraging insulting conduct on the air toward a very loyal audience, all of you out there.
		And if these comments result in the shows being pulled off down there in LA by KFI under current conditions, that wouldn't be very much of a loss, would it?
		I'm sure that a number one show, and he is sure this is, will not have great difficulty in finding a station which would like to be number one.
		So that, you know, that's been under my skin for a while now, and I wanted to get it out.
		So there you are.
		I'm getting too old and too something or another not to say what's on my mind.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am very well, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for about 10 years.
		It's the first time I've ever gotten through to talk to you.
		Calling you from Dayton, Ohio.
		I'm listening to you on WHIO 1290 on the AM dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to do a promo.
unidentified		And they've been doing your show for a very short time, but I hope they keep you for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, bless their hearts and yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Just a couple comments.
		One, you made a comment about two years ago.
		You took in a dog.
		You said it was a mixed Sharpe.
		And I just wonder what you ever did with that dog because you never talk about it.
		You talk about your cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, that's absolutely right.
		Well, you know what?
		We don't have that dog any longer, and I'll tell you why.
		Because that dog began to eat our house.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		This is not an exaggeration.
		We found her a good home.
		What happened is she actually did begin to eat the house, sir.
		We would go out there, and she was this nice new porch that I built a few years ago, the one that I fell off before they built it.
		And this dog was eating the 2x4s.
		I swear to you, man, she was eating 2x4s.
		It was the dog-gauntest thing, pardon the pun, that I've ever seen in my whole life.
unidentified		Actually, what animal eats 2x4s?
		I don't know.
		She must have been teething and she must have been young because that's what they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		I wonder what she did with it, because I've owned Sharp Ace for years, and I think they're great dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was a wonderful dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just that we couldn't let her eat our house.
unidentified		Did she try to eat the cat, too?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, although given an opportunity, I'm sure it would have been tasty.
unidentified		They like to play with the cats.
		They play pretty rough with them.
		Another thing I called, just kind of throw at you, I'm a fundamental Baptist, and when you start talking about these UFOs and all this space aliens and all this kind of crap, it's supposed to shake us up and make us wonder about our religion and everything.
		I sure you already know.
		No, it's not supposed to, but I wish they would have total disclosure.
		Well, that's cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you feel that way, but I must tell you, many of your brethren do not share your view.
unidentified		But a lot of them do, and I wish more of them would call because we feel like there's a reason for everything.
unidentified		I'm maybe more liberal as a fundamentalist than maybe a lot of them are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, let me stop you and lay it straight on you as quick as I can.
		All right.
		If you found out that we were created by an alien race, not by God, but we were actually created in a laboratory by an alien race on an alien planet and seeded here, there's no way, if you're really a fundamentalist, that you can tell me that that would not shake you up.
unidentified		I mean, you know, there's just so many things that are possible, and there's so much that we don't really know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm throwing out the worst case scenario for you.
unidentified		I want to say this to you.
		Our Bible talks about a flock that he has that we know not of.
		Those are almost the exact words.
		And I think God has hidden things from us that we don't know.
		We don't need to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But sir, it does say that this flock was created by God.
unidentified		Well, I'll deal with it if that's what happens.
		But right now, it doesn't concern me too much.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, you are indeed a very liberal fundamentalist because I can promise you most of the communication I get is not quite along those lines at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Jamie Colling from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, Jamie.
unidentified		On Cogo Radio 600.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		First, I thought that maybe your L.A. listeners can listen to Cogo and get you live that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be one way.
unidentified		And then they can also go on the Internet and get you on Cogo.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You understand our dilemma, though, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Sounds like they're being quite, can't say it on the air.
		Okay.
		But my main reason for calling was I was listening last night and you were talking about taking UFOs to the next level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I wanted to hear what your plan is since you don't believe in full disclosure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not talking to somebody with a plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a plan.
unidentified		You're in a bit of a pickle then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not really, because I'm not leading the charge to spring the information free.
		But there are plenty of people who are.
		One of them was on last night.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, no, I'm not in a pickle because I don't have a plan because that's not what I do.
		I do a talk program, and I talk with people who advocate that, or perhaps advocate the opposite.
		And I have both on, and you can decide for yourself what you believe to be the truth.
		That also is what this program is all about.
		Allowing you to make decisions about things that you haven't heard about any other time of day.
		The nighttime is very different.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm Matt talking on the air right now, Mac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have, sir, I don't screen my calls.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		What it was, was last night you had an open question about scientific things.
		I was wondering what or why Eisenhower said what he said.
		I would like to know the deep down reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beware of the military-industrial complex.
unidentified		Yeah, how much more of that could be pertaining to his perhaps meeting with aliens of some sort?
unidentified		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that he meant it from a look, don't let the folks who make the guns and the bullets and the missiles dictate policy.
		And so beware of them.
		And I think he meant it for just the way it sounds.
		I mean, if you I suppose it's cynical of me to say that the people who make guns and bullets and bombs and missiles want there to be conflict, but on the other hand, their product isn't used until there is.
		Right?
		You're on the Air Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you, sir?
unidentified		Am I speaking to Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		All right, I'm in Atalano.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		That's right next to Victorville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		From my understanding from a friend of mine, you had spoke to Richard Hoagland about an alien dead body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New, new, new, new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I would not have talked with Richard about a dead alien.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard doesn't talk about that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard talks about, you know, pretty much Mars research, sir.
unidentified		Right, this is where I found it was in the city square.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the city square.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're talking about one of the photographs from Mars?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think you see a dead alien body there?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		I got on some of the other pages and brought it up even closer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It was from JPL.
		That's where I found it.
		I've been trying to get in touch with Richard Hogan for some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure he would want to know about that right away.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I would say is send the man an email.
unidentified		I've done that.
		I've been in touch with him with emails for about three months.
		Someone called me here, but I wasn't home at the time.
		And if I can give you a clue to where this is, you would look it up because I trust you, Art Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By now, it's got to be fairly well petrified, I would think.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's like looking at a body like in Pompeii when they dug up the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That's what it looks like.
unidentified		When I've taken these pictures to other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is this clearly a dead body or is it sort of look like?
unidentified		It could be a statue, but it looks like it's sitting down or laying on its side.
unidentified		And it looks like if it was a statue, it fell over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if somebody had actually called you back from the Enterprise mission, then you would know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, your phone wouldn't just ring and then nothing would happen.
unidentified		No, they left a message that they were going to contact me, but they haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I would say if they've gone that far, then that would indicate to me that they have looked at what you have asked them to look at and must find it of some interest, or I doubt they would have called you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I can tell you where to go look.
		It's on one of the JPL pictures where they brought it up real close.
		And this body looks like it's got, it looks like a utility belt around its waist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, listen, we're going to have to hold it there.
		And that's a whole nother subject.
		Gerald Salette and Trends coming up next from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prepare yourself for some very thoroughly accurate predictions.
		Predictions based not on psychic flashes or intuition or anything else, but predictions actually made based on history and current trends.
		Yes, predictions about the way things are going to go.
		Again, not based on a psychic insight, but based on something much more scientific.
		The way things are going right now.
		Gerald Salente coming up.
		He's founder and director of the Trends Research Institute, which is today's number one, well, he's the number one trend analyst.
		He's publisher of the Trends Journal newsletter.
		Gerald Salente accurately forecasted the current recession, the dot-com meltdown, no small matter, the 97 Asian currency crisis, the 87 world stock market crash, increased terrorism against America, and in 1993 predicted that at the dawn of the new millennium, a Crusades 2000 would be raging.
		Beyond the geopolitical and economic trends which are in the headlines today, Gerald coined the term clean foods.
		He identified the growth of gourmet coffees, the big move to small towns, real estate Trends and other economic, political, social, business, and pop culture trends.
		He regularly provides business and industry with customized presentations and commissioned research studies in over 300 trend categories.
		Coming up in a moment, Gerald Salente.
unidentified		Music Gerald Salente, welcome to the program.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Thank you for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is morning where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in New York, right?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's about 2 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're wide awake enough to be doing this.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Very much looking forward to being on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear what I just said about really you make predictions?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just don't do it because of a psychic flash or some blinding insight other than that based on history and what's going on in the world right now, right?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, current events form future trends.
		You can see the face of the future.
		You're doing what you're doing.
		We're all doing what we're doing in life because of decisions that we've made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fact.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And the same thing holds true for a society.
		And the current events that we see, the future that's going to happen, is a result of the actions and the implications of those actions that occur.
		But, you know, what happens is that people today, particularly, are really blind to the future because of the abundance of junk news rather than real news.
		So they don't see those important things that are going on.
		Instead, we have super coverage of Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, things we should know very little about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have infotainment.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Infotainment.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Junk news infotainment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what we have.
		No question about it.
		As a little promo for the show, I read, usually I hardly pay attention to bullet points that guests send, but yours were so intriguing that I just literally read the list to the audience.
		I thought it was so intriguing.
		I mean, all these areas that you're going to cover for me.
		I would like to know, I think the audience probably would too, how you, I mean, do you just personally sit down after having read the headlines, reviewed history?
		How do you come up with what you're about to tell us all about?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		What we do is we keep a running, I guess you could call it a running prophecy documenting how the events of today are going to affect the trends of tomorrow.
		And you can see it again.
		Let's begin with the new year.
		So the new year begins, and all the newspapers and broadcast media are splashed with footage of armed to the teeth, U.S. stormtroopers with the fingers on the trigger, eagle-eyes ready to shoot the first terrorist that pops up.
		Well, this is happy holidays.
		Here we go again.
		Orange alert.
		You go back to virtually every major holiday, there's an orange alert.
		So now what happens?
		Well, now the fear factor rises.
		The government says, you know, what a great job they're doing protecting us.
		It's like a witch doctor saying that wear garlic around your neck.
		It'll keep the vampires away.
		And hey, it works.
		There are no vampires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that aspect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to be fair, there hasn't been anything awful that's happened.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But here's how we look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you could attribute that to, I don't know, increased vigilance, better security, CIA doing their jobs, FBI doing their jobs.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		But whatever it is, what happens is the people, as we look at it, the people become more fearful and also more reliant on the government to protect them.
		And then we look at the kind of things that are going on and we see more losses of rights, First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment rights.
		And we're not saying good or bad, right or wrong.
		We're saying this is what's going on.
		These are the facts.
		Now people coming into the country, again, whether you like it or not, good or bad, now they're being fingerprinted and they're being photographed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I've seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, but if you were the president and 9-11 had occurred and you were more or less in charge of taking steps to make sure there was not another 9-11 or do the best damn job you could in that direction, what would you do?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, we don't say right or wrong, but here's where we come in as trend forecasters.
		We say, okay, tourism was really starting to pick up again.
		The dollar is, for Europeans to come to America is like Americans going to Mexico because the dollar is taking such a bashing.
		Now all of a sudden, they're not going to want to come here anymore.
		So as we look at it for business purposes, we say to people relying on international tourism, this isn't going to help.
		Then we say, all right, now look, you're trying to sell product overseas.
		There's more and more anti-Americanism coming about.
		Again, whether you like what's going on or not, these are the facts.
		So you have to reposition your product in a European market to have less of an American cachet because at one time it was very popular, now it's becoming very unpopular.
		So that's the way we look at issues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you look at what we have done in Iraq, agree or disagree with it, how do you assess that?
		I don't clearly see an exit strategy for the U.S. at the moment.
		We're occupying that country and taking continuing casualties.
		Surely you've got something to say about that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's one of those things, and we attribute this, and we've been writing about it before it happened.
		This is classic symptoms of empire decline.
		You only have so many resources, and you're free to do whatever you want with those resources.
		If you choose to use those resources in fighting battles around the world, knock yourself out.
		But it's going to hurt at home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you see us as England, as Great England.
unidentified		Exactly.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And you only have to go back as far as England.
		And then we talked about terrorism just before.
		Hey, as we used to say in the Bronx, as a kid growing up, there, payback's a bitch.
		You want to get involved in somebody else's business?
		Guess what?
		They're going to get even.
		And we wrote before the Iraqi war, we said that the United States would achieve a swift victory initially, that it will go into a long guerrilla war, and that eventually the United States will be not thrown out, but worn out.
		We're not going to win over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they will just wear us down, that eventually the numbers of casualties will mount to the point where a president, if not this one, is forced to end it?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because of another reason.
		When you go back to the Vietnam War, people think the protests got it stopped the war.
		That's a lot of baloney.
		You go back, but Govern took a drubbing from Clinton, how many years the war was going on, about eight, nine years, eight years, and tens of thousands of casualties.
		What stopped the war over there was becoming an unwillingness of the American soldiers to continue to fight.
		And you're going to start seeing the same thing happening in Iraq for a very different reason, the same reason but a different reason, in that in the Vietnam War it was a bunch of kids, 18, 19, 20-year-olds.
		Now you have a lot of adults over there.
		You look at the casualty lists coming in, people 37, 45 years old.
		They're not going to want to do this.
		They're going to think their mission is over.
		Hey, we were going there.
		We got rid of Saddam Hussein.
		I want to go home.
		I have a life to live.
		I have a job that I left behind.
		You're going to start seeing mutiny come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're predicting mutiny in our own military.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Mutiny in the sense that the people over there are going to be unwilling to fight.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Now, having said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Having said that, bearing in mind, this is a volunteer force.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's a volunteer force, but this force, you know, you could call it a volunteer force.
		But a lot of people in that volunteer force took this as an alternative to working at Walmarts or a 7-Eleven for an education.
		And they didn't think that they'd be in this long.
		They're going to acknowledge that they probably made a bad choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, surprise, surprise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you join the military, you're liable to find out what their mission is.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But again, you have a lot of adults there that have careers and families that aren't going to want to be living in this hellhole much longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long do you give it, Gerald?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was going to say.
		Having said that, there were always wildcards.
		And that's why nobody could really predict the future because these wildcards get thrown on the deck like in our lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What potential wildcards?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, a potential wildcard is that there could be, and there probably will be, another terrorist attack, as we were warned by Tom Ridge, the head of Homeland Security, and the Orange Alert, an attack at equal to or greater than 9-11.
		When something like that happens, the nation will again rally behind the president.
		And something could happen so heinous that all of a sudden the people are gung-ho again for another round of military might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of a chance do you attach to that heinous act you just mentioned?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a better than 90% chance of...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		They're waging a warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about maybe a dirty bomb or a biological attack, a significant biological attack, something really horrible.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Really horrible.
		And again, we're not Monday morning quarterbacks on this.
		In the Trends Journal, we've been writing about this for years, going back to the mid-80s.
		We called it World Wars of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
		And we're going to see it happen.
		I mean, you don't invade another country and expect the people not to want to get you the hell out of there.
		I mean, you know, and again, this isn't whether we are for the war or against the war.
		We could be talking about any country, anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gerald, there are, and you don't want to answer something.
		You don't have to, but I'm liable to ask kind of tough questions.
		There's a lot of controversy going on right now with regard to how all of this was planned.
		There are even charges that the oil was divided up and that the invasion of Iraq was a preordained thing.
		Even before 9-11, there's people saying all kinds of things right now.
		Do you believe that to be perhaps accurate?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember the main.
		An incident that probably never happened with the Spanish-American War.
		Let's go to the Vietnam War.
		Hey, guess what?
		The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And it's on audio tape of Johnson and McNamara speaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, we are a warrior people.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Read my lips.
		No new taxes.
		I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.
		I mean, I could go to, sweetheart, him and I, you know, we're just friends.
		I mean, look, I don't believe anything.
		You know, I mean, until people prove themselves to be truthworthy and trustworthy.
		And you could go back.
		There's a litany of lies being told by the people.
		I think what's going on with the Iraq war, again, all we do is we look at the facts.
		And the facts are telling us, we just heard from a guy, and he's not a lightweight.
		His name is Paul O'Neill.
		Who is Paul O'Neill?
		He worked, he was in the Nixon White House, the Ford White House.
		He was the chairman of Alcoa Aluminum.
		And this isn't like some flaky conspiracy theorist.
		And he puts out a book Saying that this thing was planned from day one, this Iraqi invasion.
		Now, I'm going to tell you what we do as trend forecasters.
		Where did we find the story?
		On page 11 of the New York Times.
		This wasn't even a front-page story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as careful observers of history, do you think that history would support such a scenario?
		That we have done this sort of thing before, therefore, you're not surprised, and you tend to believe this?
		Is that what you're saying?
unidentified		Well, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Again, you know, all I can say is by going by what the let's start with another report that came out, a Carnegie Endowment for Peace,
		they came out with a report, I believe it was January 8th, saying that this whole thing had been exaggerated, that they systematically misrepresented the facts.
		So here we have Secretary of State Colin Powell coming out and saying that, oh, there is no link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.
		Now, this is the same Colin Powell who on February 5th said to the United Nations Security Council that intelligence data showed a sinister nexus existed.
		And there was a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda terrorist network.
		I remember he called them a classic terrorist organization with their modern methods of murder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are words.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So this is what he said there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A sinister nexus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's not exactly the same as someone going to the UN and unveiling photographs of intercontinental ballistic missiles in place in Cuba.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So now he comes out afterwards and he said that, you know, that, well, you know, maybe there wasn't the weapons of mass destruction, but we thought there was.
		Here's his quote.
		The president decided to act.
		This is how he's speaking now.
		Because he believed that whatever the size of the stockpile, whatever one might think about it, he believed that the region was in danger.
		America was in danger, and he would act.
		Now that's a lot different than what he said at the United Nations.
		When in the United Nations, you know, he's claiming that there was chemical and biological weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The weapons of mass destruction aside for a moment, do you believe it was in America's interests, whatever they would be, economic, whatever, to invade Iraq?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that there were people that believed it were economic interests, because what is Iraq sitting on the second largest oil supply in the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that, and of course it's a strategic location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's right to the middle.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I always give the example that really, you know, morals have very little to do with fighting wars.
		If everybody was so morally outraged, you go back to the mid-1990s, when what was it?
		800,000, like that is like almost a million Rwandans were slaughtered in a month.
		They sure were.
unidentified		But hey, number one, there's nothing there that we need.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And number two, they're black.
		Go to Indonesia.
		With the dictator Suharto was ruling it, he slaughtered over 300,000 East Timorese.
		I think George Bush called them Timoreans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if I try to be the devil's advocate, if I try to be, I don't have anything good to respond to that with.
		I mean, you're dead right.
		If morality was the reason, then we would have been...
		That should have certainly motivated us, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Cambodia?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		How about right now, the Ivory Coast, Congo?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then we had economic, strategic reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think was the main real reason that we invaded Iraq?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the real main reason, but I would have to say that probably there's the, as a lot of analysts would say, that it was the Bush factor, you know, getting even.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got that.
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		I am Art Bell, and here we are once again, meeting in the nighttime.
		It's been a lot of years.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be worth asking so that we know, if it is to be known, a lot of very strong opinions here.
		Gerald, can we ask about your politics?
		Are you liberal, a conservative, a Democrat, a Republican?
		Where do you fit into the political spectrum?
unidentified		I'm a political atheist.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I look at issues and events not the way I want them to be, but what they are.
		I don't say what's right or wrong or good or bad.
		It's like going to a doctor.
		He gives you a diagnosis, and it doesn't make him an optimist or a pessimist, left-wing or right-wing.
unidentified		This is what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a political atheist.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I just look at it for what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An atheist, huh?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		A political atheist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let's say that this horrific act occurs with a great likelihood, a dirty bomb, a biological attack, whatever.
		Under those circumstances, the American public, I presume, would scream for blood.
		And whoever would be the American president would have to cough some up.
		And so what do you think the United States would, I mean, if something the magnitude of a city being destroyed with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands perhaps dead or something like that, how do you envision the U.S. responding to something like that?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, on the home front, you would probably see a reinstituting of the draft.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And it would happen overnight and with the support of the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be something.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And secondly, when something like this does happen, this is really important to remember with the wildcard scenario, again, it takes the economy from a moderately growing and half-stagnated economy, probably into a severe recession.
		We have to look at what 9-11 did to the economy and what it took to get the United States back on its feet.
		And that's low interest rates for how many years now?
		45-year lows.
		They've been ratcheting them down continually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the economy is just beginning to respond.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Just beginning to respond.
		And then you're going to start seeing a guerrilla war because who the hell do you attack?
		And this is what we were writing back in 1993 when we started talking about this stuff.
		It's not like the old days where the armies meet each other out in the middle of the battlefield or on the high sea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not that way anymore.
		But a president would have to do something.
		And already we're in Afghanistan doing what we can, right?
		And, you know, we're in Iraq.
		And actually, we're spread pretty thin as it is right now.
		So that would, in a way, force a president's hand towards something perhaps more dire.
		You know, the use of, if we could figure out who it was, the use of some sort of weapon that says don't do that again.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, but who do you aim it at?
		You have all these, you know, these axis of evil countries, which are basically, you know, they're third world countries.
		These are little nothing countries.
		We're going to hit the Sudan, Libya, you know, Iran.
		You mess with Iran, that's a tough one.
		You're messing with the wrong people there.
		You know, this isn't a very proud civilization, the Persians, and they'll probably retaliate at some level.
		They're very educated people.
		This isn't an Iraq.
		And remember, this is a country that fought Iraq with Iraq having the strong support of the United States back in the 80s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wouldn't care to go out on a limb.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't mess with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you wouldn't go out on a limb and predict what the U.S. would do or might.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, but I do know that the United States is also being chastised for its low-level nuclear bombs that they're developing to use preemptorily against someone like a Libya or another country that is in their realm of the axis of evil.
		Now, Libya recently threw up its hands and said, I know that, but they're still not granting them the kind of trade negotiated trade pacts that bring them back into the sphere.
		So the United States really isn't giving in.
		The rest of the world is.
		But they're going to have somebody out there that they're going to pick on.
		There's no question.
		But it's not going to solve the problem, and that's the bottom line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course, there is the other really scary part of what's happening right now is because of all these real dangers that we're talking about right now, our liberties and freedoms are shrinking at an alarming rate.
		And it is happening.
		You can, I think, make an argument for why it's happening, but it is happening.
		And that's very concerning.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It is happening.
		And actually, in one of my books, Trends 2000, which I wrote in 95, I pointed out how under President Clinton, they had an anti-terrorism bill that was being shot down by Congress.
		I remember articles, I put them in the book from USA Today, blasting the president for taking away our Fourth Amendment rights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far, Gerald, do you believe it can go?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, it can go to martial law in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Martial law.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And that would be another implication, by the way, of a terrorist event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A large event.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to tell people what it would be like living under martial law?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most people today don't know.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be that you wouldn't have a radio show.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Let's start with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that could go anyway.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, you won't be able to speak out against anything.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's difficult enough now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Because you just go back to the Iraq war.
		And again, these are facts.
		Every major media station, every newspaper, it was all pro-go-to-war.
		And anybody that talked out against it, you were labeled anti-American.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fact.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So it would become much Worse than that.
		Every movement, every step you take, every breath you make, they'll be watching you.
		And you better not cross over the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very good.
		That was very good.
		Every breath you take.
		Yes.
		And you think that the American people will willingly, if not grudgingly, accept this newer way of life, Big Brother?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was getting to also at the beginning of the show when I talked about the New Year's celebrations, you know, and how people have now, you know, they call it a celebration, like in Times Square, being frisked, going through metal detectors, not being able to carry a backpack or have a celebratory drink on the streets.
		They call that fun.
		You look at the latest poll that just came out today, a New York Times CBS news poll, where the people are very satisfied with President Bush's anti-terrorism programs to date.
		Here's the thing to demoralize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing, though, Gerald.
		I'm not sure I'm dissatisfied with what he's done.
		In other words, I'm certainly not happy with what we now have to do, but I don't see that the president or Gerald or Art as president would have any other choice to make either.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And so what we're looking at are what's going on.
		The people are not going to fight against it.
		It's a demoralized society in a lot of ways also as we look at it.
		This is a country there's no passion for rights.
		You can go over the list of things that have happened.
		I was mentioning earlier about under President Clinton, what pushed the bill through that they couldn't get through was the Oklahoma City bombing.
		And bam, all of a sudden this new bill came.
		And then we saw the Patriotism Act, the Patriot Act, and all the rights that were taken away.
		You have another one, and they take more rights away.
		But this is, again, and it's not whether you're going to say right or wrong, good or bad.
		This is what's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I was asking how, so honestly, you really think down to everything we say being monitored, everything we do being monitored, it's going to really get there.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		It will be Orwellian far beyond what he could have even imagined because of the technological advances that George Orwell only had a gleaming of.
		That's true.
		And that's what it will become.
		And the people will be very, very satisfied with it because here's really the bottom line art.
		There's no stopping terrorism.
		Look, they just are passing an immigration bill that's allowing people to flow over the borders in huge amounts.
		You have tens of thousands of miles of borders to be crossed.
		One of the things that we wrote about in Trends 2000, and this is going back at the fall of the Soviet Empire, was how all of these weapons of mass destruction, all of these nuclear, suitcase nuclear bombs that were now available on the black market.
		And this isn't, you know, fabricating this stuff.
		These are stories coming over the wire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Gerald, is it not odd that, as of yet, the United States is not experiencing the suicide bomber?
		Now, the suicide bomber is a daily tool in the Mideast, a daily tool.
		And surely much easier than getting in a dirty radiation bomb or even biologicals.
		Somebody who straps a bunch of explosives on, goes into a department store, and pushes a button, boom, instant terrorism.
		The fact that we haven't had that yet, to me, is astounding.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It is astounding to me as well.
		But you only need one of these incidents every couple of years to do very major damage.
		And again, let's remember the words of the government going back to the new year.
		They were the ones that are saying, watch out.
		We're going to see there's a possibility of something happening equal to or greater than 9-11.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I know.
		But I think that's what I mean.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's not if, it's when.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just sort of offering up, I guess, a weak, offensive statement for those who are trying to protect us.
		I mean, maybe they're doing their job.
		Maybe the CIA and FBI and Resident Mercat have caught.
		After all, you don't get to hear about the good stuff they've done.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You would.
		Because look how many false arrests there have been that they've trumped up to be big things.
		I don't think that at all.
		I think if they uncovered a plot, boy, this thing would be in the news over and over again.
		Hey, we're on the job.
		Look what we've done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is that, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see us then as vulnerable, open, and the attack will occur at a time and place of their choosing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not going to be on a holiday.
		You know, when everybody's on high alert.
		I mean, that's like trying to rob a bank, and they say, look, we expect a bank robbery tomorrow morning.
		You know, flood the bank with security staff.
		You're not going to rob the bank.
		You're not going to do it on a Memorial Day.
		They're going to blow the, every 4th of July Memorial Day, they're going to blow up the Statue of Liberty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the case, Gerald, of a very large attack, the economic consequences...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Just look what happened.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Just look what happened when a couple of grams of anthrax were put through the postal system.
unidentified		Yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Look at the havoc it wrecked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Look at the tourism industry in this country has not rebounded.
		Look what happened to the airline industry.
		This is serious stuff.
		In fact, the terrorists are winning in a lot of ways.
		Look what happens now during the holidays.
		I don't want to go out on New Year's Eve.
		I don't stay home.
		The fear factor is running high, and it's economic fear as well.
		And this is what people don't understand when they hear about anti-Americanism.
		We're in business.
		We're a business group over here.
		We're not trying to change the world.
		We tell our clients, listen, this anti-Americanism isn't about geopolitical stuff.
		They're not going to buy your product, man.
		They don't want anything to do with it.
		All these licensed products, the kids don't want them overseas.
		They don't want them in Europe.
		And Americans, by the way, only 12% of them have passports.
		They still think it's the end of World War II, and they're looking for nylon stockings and Hershey bars over there in Europe.
		They have no idea of the quality of life and the high standard of living.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is quite shockingly good, actually.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've traveled pretty extensively in Europe.
unidentified		You know what it's like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, it's quite good.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So when they hear about anti-Americanism, these aren't a bunch of yokels out there that don't know what's going on.
		They're not going to buy your product.
		And the business of America is business.
		So when you talk about terrorism, it has more implications than, hey, they don't like us because of our president and our policy.
		It's not about that.
		And if we have a terrorist whack in this country, as I said, this economy goes into a free fall.
		I want to call it a jobless recovery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		Let's come back to this economy for a second.
		They are calling it a jobless recovery.
		Now, I think most recoveries, historically, are fairly jobless in the early stages.
		If we don't have anything happen and the economy continues to improve, then no doubt they will begin to pick up jobs at some point, I would imagine, wouldn't you?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, not in this economy.
		That's why it's different.
		There's a new formula, an economic formula in play that we've developed that really makes things very clear as to why jobs will not increase to any level, significant level, and why the standard of living for about 80% of the American public will continue to decline.
		It's called the 5-0 formula.
		The first one to remember is that when you talk about a recession or a depression, they say it's a fundamental imbalance between productive capacity and purchasing power, which brings me to the first O, and that's overcapacity.
		If you go back to the late 1990s when that big dot-com charade was going on, everybody was ramping up, building more because of this booming economy.
		Then there's overproduction.
		Well, there's more shirts, shoes, cameras, and computers out there than you could ever use up.
		Go back again, current events form future trends.
		Go back to Christmas time.
		When I was a kid growing up, after Christmas, you'd go into a department store, the shelves were bare.
		Now there's so much product that's falling on the floors.
		The next one is overpopulation.
		What does that have to do with it?
		Well, you go from the time of zero, when everything zero happened, and go to 1920.
		It took all that time to put 2 billion people on the planet.
		From 1920 to now, we've added 4 billion more people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairly sobering, yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, you know the people say you need a good war to thin out the population?
		We had two buttes in the 20th century, and it did nothing.
		Which brings me to the fourth O. To tie it all together, it's called open markets.
		Now, with NAFTA, World Trade Organization, all these treaties, you could produce anything, anyplace.
		With overpopulation, you have an infinite supply of cheap labor.
		And now, as we know, it's not only the blue-collar jobs that have gone, it's the white-collar jobs and the processing, data processing jobs, and on and on that are going to India and countries around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's really interesting.
		For example, in the computer world, now, if you have a problem and you call up tech support, right?
		It's the doggondist thing.
		About halfway through the conversation, you'll detect an accent and you'll say, where are you from?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		India.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Airline registration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been here?
		Well, I'm not here.
		Where are you?
		Oh, I'm in India.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in India?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So even tech support jobs, it seems, are going overseas.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And this is open markets.
unidentified		Again, it's good, bad, right, wrong, indifferent.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's not the issue.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		These are the facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the telecommunications world has opened up, so now it's so cheap that it's cheaper to pay someone in India to answer questions about your Windows problem and you're talking to the other side of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's cheaper to have that guy over there doing it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And how many people they have?
		Well, they've got over a billion people.
		Yeah, they're dying to get a little job.
		The fifth, though, is online.
		25% of the world gross product comes from raw material processing and manufacturing.
		Because of computer efficiencies, the B2B efficiencies, that's driven down profits and has increased productivity remarkably.
		So when you put all these five O's together, overcapacity, overproduction, overpopulation, open market, and online, you have a United States of America where the standard of living, you're not going to find a better job than the one you had before.
		Your benefits and wages are going to decline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		That's a jeery little note where we can stop and pick up.
		Wages and benefits declining.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, from the wilds of New York, here is Gerald Salente.
		All right, Gerald.
		So you were saying that you might as well, U.S. workers, get used to less and less because that's what's coming.
		Less and less.
		Less salary, less benefits, less everything, and that's the future.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And it's not going to change probably for generations if it changes at all.
		And we're also, look, we're saying that in 2004, the economy is going to look pretty much what it looks like now.
		And you go back again to 1992 when George Bush Sr. was running, and they said, you know, it was the economy stupid.
		So the Democrats said it'll be that again.
		But again, that's, of course, in the absence of a wildcard, you know, we see it staying pretty much the same.
		But we're looking actually, we're calling it the Great Recession.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but you're saying there's a 90% chance there's going to be a wildcard.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Right, there's going to be a wildcard.
		We're saying that by 2006, we're going to enter into a long, we're going to call it a great recession, a 10-year period, if not longer, of a declining economic standard.
		Look what they're doing now.
		They call this another thing besides a jobless recovery.
		They call it a profits recession.
		Yeah, no kidding.
		Aren't they all?
		Again, current events form future trends.
		Look at the hype we heard about what a great retail Christmas this was going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And to some degree, I don't know.
		I heard mixed reviews.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Mixed reviews.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But you know where there was the greatest growth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		The luxury items.
		Because it goes back to exactly what I was talking about before.
		You have a loss of jobs for the working class.
		The only growth is on the upper end.
		You have 1% of the population owning 40% of all the assets.
		The higher end is going to do very well.
		So if you're in the business of providing, actually about 20% of the population is going to step up to quality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, a good question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe an opportunity for you to give a positive kind of answer would be if you were going into the job market now or in the next, I don't know, five years, let's say, Gerald, what kind of career field would you think would be a good one to be in in the kind of times you're describing?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		If you work for a drug company, antidepressants, autorepossessing, estate sale, auctions, I would say it's a time to become an entrepreneur.
		It's a time to really strike on.
		And the areas of growth that we see, again, when I said 20% of the population is going to buy into luxury, and that's why we're calling it a recession, not a depression, is that you're talking 20% to 285 million people.
		You know, the world's going to keep going around.
		Start looking more and more into the export markets and go global.
		Not what they call globalization, moving a factory to China and selling stuff back to the home country.
		No, expand your horizons.
		We think, by the way, Argentina is going to be a great place for great opportunity.
		It's very European, and it's far enough, it's going to be far enough away from where there's going to be a lot of problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gerald, is it not an absolute irreversible trend that the United States would begin to take advantage of cheap labor where they find it, in Japan, and then in China, and then no doubt in the Philippines if it's stable enough, and maybe in Argentina?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we're going to go all over the world and we're going to do as business as has always done, and that's to find cheap labor, whether it's our own citizens or the citizens of some other third world nation, and we're going to employ them, right?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's irreversible.
		Nothing's going to change it.
		People can demonstrate and throw stuff and get all angry up in Seattle and wherever all.
		It's not going to change it, is it?
unidentified		No.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to change it.
		So we're saying is understand what the playing field is going to look like.
		And by the way, where wasn't their growth in this Christmas?
		It was on the lower end.
		And they're all fighting each other for thin profit margins.
		The money's to be made on the upper end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so you're saying find out where the trends are toward the luxury items, toward whatever, and jump on board and be part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you're saying.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And then you have other things, current events.
		You pick something up, an article, what is it?
		Farm-raised salmon, for instance, has 10% higher amounts of cancer-causing agents.
		And then you go back to luxury items.
		Well, that 20% of the people are going to put more and more of their money where their mouth is.
		So we say more of the so-called clean foods.
		You know, get into those kind of markets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clean foods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe what you mean by clean foods.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, clean is more than just organic.
		It's not genetically modified.
		It's not irradiated.
		It's brought to market in the most sanitary conditions.
		And you're going to see more.
		There's going to be more mad cows.
		Again, current events form future trends.
		Do you think it's the end of the mad cow scares that are going to happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Nor won't be.
		Not with the type of practices that have happened in the country with the intensely grown and killing down our cows for meat production.
		Isn't that wonderful?
		They're not going to feed us down to cows anymore.
		Boy, that's a step forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope so, Gerald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to get a little bit on the positive side of things here.
unidentified		Can you imagine now that they've got a drift into the damn thing can't walk anymore?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
unidentified		I'm getting in there.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And all of a sudden, you're having it for dinner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes, yes.
		I understand.
		You don't need to describe it to me.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And they make a big deal.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're not going to do that one anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Look, I like it.
		You're talking to somebody who likes beef.
		So do I. Right.
		I might rather have my head in the sand and die a twitching death.
		I don't know.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we're saying is, though, there's going to be a market for people, because we're going where the economics are going, that are not going to want to eat that meat.
		Give them another choice.
		And so we're going to see growth in those kind of areas.
		Just like we saw growth in gourmet coffees and micro brews, you're going to start seeing more and more growth in higher quality products.
		The other thing, too, is the real estate market, we think, is going to stay good for a pretty long time because they're going to have to keep interest rates low.
		I mean, this is an easy equation.
		Interest rates go up.
		Bam, the economy.
		If you start to get a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So real estate's a good thing to be in.
		Real estate land, God is not making any more of it.
		That's right.
		So there you are.
		Real estate will always be a good place to be.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And we're very bullish on gold and have been from our trends journals since 19, like I think 2001.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That was our trend going from the gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And sure enough, gold has been living up to its rep during this time, hasn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been going on.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's a simple equation.
		Cheap dollars, high gold.
		High interest rates or expensive dollars, cheap gold.
		We'll come back to keep interest rates low.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll come back to all of this in a moment.
		Let's jump to something light for a second.
		Maybe it's light.
		I don't know.
		Maybe it's not.
		You do trend forecasting in the area of entertainment as well, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's just sort of jump off the dire cliff for a second and ask about that.
		I think the current trends in entertainment are fascinating to watch.
		And by that I mean, for example, reality TV.
		I'm kind of a reality TV nut.
		I do like a lot of it.
		I might even watch my stupid fat fiancé, whatever the hell it is coming up.
		So, boy, I'll tell you, entertainment really has taken a right turn, a severe right turn.
		And where do you think it's going?
		From here, I mean, already we're really a long way down an interesting road with what's going on right now.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Keep them laughing.
		You know, this is go back.
		We're looking again.
		We're forecasting a great recession.
		Go back to the Great Depression.
		We heard the happiest, hottest music that this nation has ever, ever witnessed.
unidentified		That's a swing.
unidentified		That's fact.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And the people were out.
		They were dressed to the nines.
		Again, current events form future trends.
		Pick up today's New York Times in the style section, how people are getting dressed up again.
		That suits and smartwear are back.
		Look at who the hits are.
		You never would have thought someone like a Nora Jones, all of a sudden she's being played on the alternative radio stations.
		People are looking for a great time, a rebirth of really hot, happy music you're also going to see.
		People are going to want to go out and they're going to want to drown their woes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that would almost be worth it.
		I mean, the hard times that you've described.
		To get some decent music again, because it's been around a pretty ugly band here.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to tell you, I put my money where my mouth is.
		I didn't tell you this, but I'm also opening up a restaurant and a nightclub.
		Oh, you are?
		Yes, and I'm putting together a ten-piece house band.
		My last book, you might remember, was called What Zizzy Gave Honeyboy.
		And Zizzy's my, that's the Neapolitan dialect for Auntie.
		She's my 88-year-old aunt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think this is what's going to be hot, obviously, because that's where you're putting your money.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So I'm putting together the Club Zizzy band, and I'm opening a place called Zizzy.
		And I really believe, and I'm looking to take a piece Of the music industry that they're not going for.
		Because I see what's going on.
		I look at the numbers.
		You know who's buying most of the CDs?
		People over 35 years old.
		That's a fact.
		The younger people are pirating them.
		So, okay, so now you know that the over 30 market are the ones that are buying CDs.
		They don't have the time to pirate.
		A lot of people don't have the technical skills to do so.
		So now you know you have a $30 billion marketplace there.
		Why not feed that marketplace with product?
		And that's what I talk about being an entrepreneur, looking at the trends and taking advantage of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about TV?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you see that going?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is a tough one because, you know, there are studies coming out, Nielsen and others, showing that there's a decline in viewership among key demographic audiences, that so-called, you know, 18 to 35.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean across the board?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, the 18 to 35.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, I mean, across the board in terms of just turning off the TV.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're talking about?
		In that age group, yeah, because now they have other things that are entertaining them, like the Internet, big time.
		They're watching shows on the Internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How deeply do you think the Internet has cut into TV viewers?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I think I think it's taking a big chunk because there's also the whole gaming phenomenon.
		And, you know, you look at these things as TV.
		You could also draw a parallel to what I just talked about with CDs.
		So now you're going to have an older demographic watching more and more TV.
		So you're going to start seeing programming going more toward that as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about this reality TV trend?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to keep going.
		You know, it's fascinating.
		It's titillating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And you wonder how far they can go.
		I mean, already they're going, I guess, sort of over the line every now and then right now.
		So how far can they go with it?
		Is it going to turn into, oh, I don't know, like the quiz shows, some giant scandal will suddenly end it all?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But this is just the beginning of it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		When you look at it, what is it really, what, two years old?
unidentified		Right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You know, so we have a lot of legs left in this thing.
		It could morph into anything.
		And it probably will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the entertainment industry in terms of a job market?
		Is it a good one?
		Is it going to shrink?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		The industry itself is deadly.
		These aren't the sharpest pencils in the pack.
		I'm talking to you about the over 30 market buying CDs.
		So how does the music industry respond?
		Rod Stewart sings all standards.
		Oh, great.
		Let's bring Barbara Streisand back.
		Bette Midler sings Rosemary Clooney.
		Give me a break.
		How about something fresh and new?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for that, according to you, we're going to need the Great Recession.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And again, that's what I'm doing myself.
		And this band that I'm putting together, this 10-piece band, I'm using all young talent.
		I'm using kids between the ages of a kid.
		When you're getting in your mid-50s, you get kids in their 20s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I said, if all this turns music around, maybe it'd be almost worth it.
unidentified		I agree.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
		They're dying to entertainment.
		They're dying for a good time.
		Only the people that really have their heads buried in the sand don't know how bad it is.
		Look, look at the people.
		Look again at the latest polls.
		What if 45% of the people are worried about having jobs or losing them?
		You know, these are real numbers.
		People are working like crazy.
		They're working harder.
		They're earning less.
		You know, I talked about how different it is in Europe than here.
		We're working nine full work weeks longer than the Europeans.
		We're not number one.
		We're number 37th in health care, according to the World Health Organization.
		We're number 14th when it comes to longevity.
		That's a big one.
		I want to be number one with longevity.
		You know, people know how bad things are, and they want to be entertained.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Jesse from South Shore, Kentucky writes, I don't think people give in to martial law, referring to something you said earlier.
		People in this country will only take so much of this, and then there'll be a major rebellion.
		If this happens, I'll for sure be listening to Coast to Coast AM from Canada.
		Well, not if there's martial law.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Unless you're up in Canada, too.
unidentified		No, people will fold like deck chairs.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You see what happens with every conflict.
unidentified		Go back to the Kosovo-Serbian war.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		As soon as they say it's a flat to America, boom, let's go.
		And you see the numbers.
		And it's not only America, Barbara.
		They do it in all the countries.
		You can watch the people off the war just strike up the band.
		Now, people go for it, particularly because people are so out of touch with the details of what's going on.
		They buy into the sound bites.
		And you saw every major media network fold with this war.
		Nobody, nobody stood up and had a debate.
		Once it was ready to go to war, let's support the troops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty traditional.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		If there's a big whack that happens in this country, bam, it comes overnight.
		And mark my words, if it happens, there'll be a draft following right after that.
		And you saw it.
		It's the same thing with go back.
		History tells us a story.
		Look at all the anti-war during.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
		You know, you keep saying draft.
		That's an interesting concept.
		A lot of psychology has changed since we last had the draft.
		I mean, there was enough trouble last time we had the draft.
		I was there.
		I can't even imagine the response to a draft under current world conditions with the people psychologically set up the way they are right now.
		The rebellion in such a move would be pretty awesome.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's do this one.
		Let's say there's a terrorist strike in Los Angeles, and it takes out a third of the population.
		And as I was mentioning, go back to World War II, the big anti-war movement prior to Pearl Harbor.
		This country was not going to war.
		When Pearl Harbor was bombed, sign me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think the draft would be embraced?
unidentified		Oh, you're going to be able to do that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then we'd get all these people into the armed forces, and who would we go attack?
		You know, that's the problem you brought up yourself.
		I mean, if a bomb goes off and we can't identify who, what nation state was behind it, what can we do?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't matter.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So, we're looking rational now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but what are we going to do with all these people that we dress?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, look, you know, you think that this problem in Iraq, for instance, is going to be solved with the amount of troops that you have there?
		And let's just do the numbers.
		What do you have about, when you get down to it, about 60,000 personnel that are really militarily equipped?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, we just cut the number back quite severely, I believe.
		Look, we're at the bottom of the air.
		Hold on for a moment.
		I think I heard that we just cut the number by, I don't know, 25 or 30 percent or something like that in Iraq.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The following from CNN.com, Despair Incorporated, the brand for cynics.
		It should go along with tonight's program quite well.
		Dallas.
		For every motivational platitude that creates bad attitude and every corporate catchphrase that instills employee rage, there may be a new customer for a company called Despair.
		Dallas-based Despair Inc.
		has built a business in a line of products it builds as demotivational.
		Despair sells calendars, posters, coffee mugs, and a variety of office paraphernalia emblazoned with images that are meant to inspire, but are undercut with messages that are indeed deflating.
		It wants to appeal to cynics who think that a snappy phrase plastered on the walls of an office will not make up for years of mismanagement and the prospects for increased job losses.
		A lot of people find motivational products demeaning, says the despair founder.
		We're the brand for the cynics, pessimists, and the chronically unsuccessful.
		Kirsten said the campaign to boost employee morale, instill the concept of great service or build teamwork, often articulate a vision that is untrue despite what a company's top executives and marketing geniuses may believe.
		The teamwork entry on the Demotivational 2004 calendar, there's a picture of a rolling snowball with a phrase, quote, a few harmless flakes working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction.
		Ambition depicts a bear waiting for a salmon that has completed an arduous upstream swim to spawn, accompanied by the phrase, the journey of a thousand miles sometimes ends very, very badly.
		Unleash the power of mediocrity.
		The company promises to give customers a brand new sense of buyers' remorse and help them unleash the power of mediocrity.
		It also offers advice to managers that the best way to resolve morale problems is to fire all the unhappy people.
unidentified		The End Once again, that eternal optimist, Gerald Salente.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gerald, welcome back.
		What do you think?
		Despair Inc.
		Now, there's an example of the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that you were talking about, right?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was fun.
		Yeah, you know, why not?
		These motivational speakers drive me up a wall.
unidentified		I got to tell you, you know what a bunch of baloney most of it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's see.
		Real estate looks good to you.
		Gold looks good to you.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Entertainment field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the entertainment field, perhaps exactly the kind of business you're about to spawn.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And I also like a lot of the moving items, again, and understanding where your market is and where the profits are.
		Start making more and more products available to the 20%, about 20% to 25% of the nation that's going to have money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no way I cannot ask you about politics.
		Gee, the Iowa caucuses later today, most time zones and election 2004.
		So give me what you got.
		What do you think?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, we think unless there's a wild card, it's George Bush in 2004.
		Again, the economy is not going to be doing that bad because the incumbents are going to do everything they can to keep it purring along as it is now.
		And with interest rates as low as they are, it's going to be good for big-ticket items like real estate, automobiles, and things will go along just fine.
		And the Democrats don't have a candidate that has much charisma nor a plan, an economic plan, that is vastly much different.
		So we see him winning, and we're putting our money on him.
		And again, that's what I'm going to say.
		So we're political atheists.
		This is how we see it.
		And it's not with you.
		I don't like the guy.
		I don't care who likes what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really are that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you really aren't.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I really, look, I got over this stuff a long time ago.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It would eat me up if I became emotionally involved in this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know, people will take any little thing you say that appears to be against what they believe politically, and all of a sudden you're an idiot and a dummy and a daily.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		People hold on to their ideology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very strongly.
		So that's why I keep coming back to you.
		You're really not.
		You are really apolitical.
		You're not.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You know, I say, I always, when I do lectures, I say, you know, I'm blessed to be living in the United States, but I consider myself a citizen of the world.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I say that over and over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have done a lot of travel, as you mentioned earlier, and there are people in Europe that have perceptibly a better lifestyle than we do, not as much crime to live with by the long shot.
		And, you know, people in the United States, you tend to think of Europe in a very different way than the way it really is.
		And that applies to a lot of the world.
		But then, again, there's also a true third world out there, and I'm sure you're quite well aware of that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I am.
		And also, as a trend analyst, when I look at the United States, this is also a first, second, and third world nation wrapped into one.
		And I'm always very clear with clients that are selling product or want to market product.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about people that have left the U.S.?
		Now, here's somebody asking, all the way from Moscow, what your opinion is on the growing number of American expatriates.
		Anybody who's been overseas has met up with a lot of fellow Americans, many Americans that have just said, that's it.
		I'm leaving.
		I'm going to wherever.
		And they take up residence overseas and leave.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You don't even have to go overseas.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Just go down to Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look at all the expatriates down there.
		And by the way, when you're talking about Europe, let's look again at what's really going on economically and why we're saying there's going to be a great recession coming up.
		Two years ago, when I was in Europe, I was getting 86, cost me 86 cents to buy one Euro.
		What does it cost today?
		About $1.25 to buy one Euro?
		Who would have, I wouldn't have thought this would have happened.
		Matter of fact, we didn't forecast it.
		We had no idea that they would bring interest rates down to 45-year lows.
		Again, cheap dollars equals high gold.
		And matter of fact, there's a story that just moved over the wire a little while ago.
		The former prime minister or president of Malaysia had issued a statement saying the Saudis in OPEC should peg their price of the oil.
		This is big news.
		To gold, not dollars.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is, ooh, that really is big news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that'll make any of the newspapers or broadcast media tomorrow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think it would have, well, you won't even find it on yet in Malaysia.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I bet it would make it in the Financial Times, maybe.
		Maybe the Financial Times.
		But not in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, not on any of the broadcast media.
unidentified		So when we're looking at what's going on, Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it come to that?
unidentified		Yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It could.
		Will it?
		I don't know.
		But yes, it could if there is a big enough fallout.
		Look, the only reason gold prices pulled back from their $430 high that they just hit recently is the G7 and the European Union are scrambling to prop up the dollar.
		You know, you go back, I've been following gold, by the way.
		This is how I got in the business since the mid-1970s when Jimmy Carter was president.
		I used to be a lobbyist down in Washington.
		And I was following the Iran, you know, I knew the history of Iran, you know, how they had to soverek the secret police and the Shah, you know, what a miserable cat this guy was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were a lobbyist.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see you in that position.
unidentified		Well, I hate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't make you cynical, boy.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is when I became a political atheist.
unidentified		I see.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I'm serious.
		What happened was Jimmy Carter comes back from spending New Year's Eve with the Shah and his wife.
		He and Roslyn went there, and I'm watching this thing unfolding, and there's millions of people taking to the streets.
		Remember, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran back in 1953.
		And they hated this guy.
		So the demonstrations are going on.
		Jimmy Carnegie steps out.
		Remember the helicopters used to show us, you know, the helicopter land on the White House lawn and come out and walk up to the microphone.
unidentified		Sure.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And he said, he announced that the Shah was the island of stability in the Middle East.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, actually.
unidentified		Remember that?
unidentified		I do, yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I said, you know, I'd get bleeped off the air if I said what I said out loud to myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please don't.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And then I said, what does this mean?
		I know they're lying.
		What does it mean?
		And I started investing in gold futures.
		I bought my first one at $187.50 an ounce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I wrote it, by the way, all the way up.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I bought it the last day, too, when it hit $875, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually sold at that point?
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually sold.
unidentified		No, no, I bought more even at that level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you bought more of it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		You know, I was a young kid.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know what the hell I was doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least, though, you do put your money where your mouth is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But I made money, and when the dust settled, I made a lot of money.
		And so I've been watching gold continually on a daily basis since the 1970s.
		And now the reason I'm telling you that is when the Iraq war broke out and it became very apparent that the United States was going to win, gold prices went from 370 down to the 320 mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And within a very short time after that, boom, they shot right back up to 370 past 370 into 400.
		This is strength, and it's based on the weakness of the dollar.
		Now you throw in all the geopolitical instability, the reality that terrorism could strike at any time, something happens.
		I think anybody that doesn't own gold is really making a mistake.
		It's a financial mistake.
		We're advising people to put at least 15 to 20% of their portfolio in gold.
unidentified		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what form?
unidentified		Coins.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Here's another thing.
		And in the future, you know, doing futures, boy, I have to tell you, I made a lot of money.
		It was very miserable.
		It's not fun to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a gutsy thing to do.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I would never do that.
		What I do now, and I don't believe...
		Well, you did do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did do that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I played the futures market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't believe...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Not at all.
		And I don't advise buying stocks and companies because I don't believe a damn thing they say.
unidentified		And so I go, I like the real thing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And if there is another...
		I'll tell you what I did when 9-11 happened.
		Because as you know from my writings, I wrote in Trends 2000, you're waking up in the new millennium and terrorism is pandemic.
		I mean, it didn't surprise me one bit, only the type of, oh, a USA Today story, December 14th, 2000, and one of our top 10 trends.
		And for the year of 2001, December 14th, 2000, 2001 will not be our year, Trend Sears says.
		And I went on to say that a wave of anti-Americanism would sweep the globe and Americans wouldn't be safe at home or abroad.
		So when 9-11 happened, I wasn't surprised.
		The first thing I did was I called up.
		I had all my money for the business.
		We had a lot of money in the money markets.
		So I called up.
		I said, you know, why are you transferring to our bank over here?
		Boom.
		Sorry, we can't do that.
		What do you mean you can't do that?
		Well, the markets are closed.
		I said, yeah, I know.
unidentified		I know, Wall Street.
unidentified		Western the Rockies call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I can't get the money out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll convert that to a little delay.
		Yeah, I did.
		I took it out.
		So I understand the emotion that's brought on.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So then what I did is I then went to the bank, got the money out of the bank, and transferred more of that money into gold coins.
		Because I'm watching these things.
		I'm an hour and 45 minutes north of New York City.
		This is like a bomb shelter for New York City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but Gerald, you know, if things got so bad that you could only safely trade in gold and money wasn't worth anything, if it got to that point, I'm going north up to Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a Mad Max scenario by then anyway, wouldn't it?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I'm telling you what I'm doing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So I'm saying now I'm packing, I'm filling my cars up with gas, getting gas for the generator in my house, and I'm ready to go to Canada if this thing keeps escalating because I don't know if they're going to blow up the Indian Point nuclear power plant.
unidentified		I'm watching these buildings blow up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So right after 9-11, you were ready to leave the country.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I was ready to leave the country.
unidentified		Wow.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So I had to.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		If there was more Bedlam and mayhem in New York City, they're going to be coming up to here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so under those conditions, you're saying that your money market fund or whatever else you've got, you can't get anyway.
unidentified		You can't get it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		See, I advise gold coins in this time of real instability.
		I'm not making this stuff up.
		I mean, we know these things collapsed in front of our eyes.
		Oh, I forgot they whacked the Pentagon.
		That's another thing, is trend forecasters.
		That story, there was no footage shown of the Pentagon less than five days after 9-11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really was strange.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And so I say to myself, I'm going to mess with these guys.
		These guys are surreal.
		I mean, they whacked the Pentagon, general headquarters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yep.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, that's how I look at things.
		And that's why when I say I'm a political atheist.
		You know, things happen.
		Okay, what do I do next?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In those kind of conditions, though, as I say, you're right up at a mad max point anyway, so I guess you better also have guns.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		I'm not opposed to that stuff.
		Look, I also teach close combat martial arts.
		I've been in it for over 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's All in all, you have forecast an awfully, awfully bleak.
		I mean, wouldn't you have rather been a trends guy right after the Second World War when you could have said, hey, you know, things are going to get great.
		There's going to be jobs and industrial revolution and said that kind of stuff instead of what you're saying today.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would have, after World War II, hey, the whole world needs to be rebuilt.
		We're in great shape to do it.
		Things are going to really rock out.
		Let's go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't feel that way.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, this is the end of the Empire America.
		The handwriting's on the wall.
		And again, it's a choice.
		This is where the country is going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very sad to hear.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I know it is.
		It doesn't make me happy.
		You know, I stopped writing for a while because it becomes very overwhelming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, trend-wise, is going to be the next empire?
		If this is the beginning of the end or the end in progress of America as an empire, then what is to be the next empire?
		Is it going to be China?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		China has a billion and a half people and a million problems.
		And China is going to be a good place.
		China is going to be, I think China is going to end up being one of our worst nightmares.
		Because when world markets start drying up, they're going to be very restive.
		As I was mentioning to you earlier, I think Argentina, that kind of place is going to be a good place to go to.
		Because I also envision that there are going to be a lot of bigger than dirty bombs.
		I think like suitcase-size nuclear bombs.
unidentified		Really?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
		And they're on the black market.
		They've been bought.
		When the Soviet Empire collapsed, they were selling these things all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trend of Americans moving from cities to smaller towns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well underway right now?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Very well underway.
		And it's going to continue.
		But there's also going to be good opportunities, we believe, in urban areas, particularly in the moderate, mid-sized areas, because of the wave of immigration, now the immigrant workforce is going to be able to come into the country.
		They're going to need places to be.
		So you're going to have two things.
		Again, by the way, Art, these are facts.
		The gap between the rich and the poor is the widest in the United States than any of the industrialized nations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do trends tell you about where the breaking point is in that gap?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I don't see a breaking point.
		I look at Americans being a very demoralized society.
		And I'll give you an example.
		Go back to the Great Depression.
		You had people that were willing to walk out, go on strike, and fight for their rights, knowing that they might not have a job rather than lose their dignity.
		Now you have a situation where people will take all kinds of abuse.
		You know, I have a lot of debt.
		Yeah, they do have a lot of debt.
		You know what kind of debt they have?
		They have a country, this country, which includes credit cards and car loans, but not mortgages.
		It's almost $19,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there, Gerald.
		Gerald Zalente is my guest, a real positive kind of guy.
		I'll tell you what.
		When we come back, we'll open up the lines.
		It should be a pure joy to hear you with Gerald.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night, this is Coast.
unidentified		I don't want your lonely magic with a tear in every room.
		All I want's to love you promised beneath the haloed moon.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name.
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
		Silver threads and golden needles cannot mend this heart of mine.
		And I dare not drown my sorrow in the one world otherwise.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name.
		And hide myself in sorrow while you play your cheating game.
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		Right here in the middle of the night, which is exactly where we belong.
		I'm about to put you on the telephone line with Gerald Celente, the eternal optimist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's a trend guy.
		He looks at what's happening now and tells us what's about to happen.
		Almost your turn with Gerald Salate.
		But first, there is one more item on the list of things that we were going to get to that's irresistible before we do, and that is, you put down as one of the talk points the last years of the Catholic Church as a major institution.
		My goodness.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, you know, we're looking at what's going on and not making a judgment call based on opinion.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, I should say that I was raised Catholic and I still consider myself one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fine.
		What's going on?
		Well, that leads you to that conclusion.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, all of these continuing scandals, these sodomy scandals have really taken a toll.
		And it's not only in the United States, when you look at the sizes of the congregations, particularly in Europe, they're declining rapidly.
		And as we look at the trends that are developing, and matter of fact, the Pope is almost a symbol of the death of it, because when he goes, it's going to unravel even quicker.
		The numbers are way off.
		The congregations are shrinking, not only in Europe, but in the United States.
		Once the World War II generation and the Eisenhower generation, the older people, once they leave the congregation, there's not going to be young people to go either into the priesthoods or the nuns or going as parishioners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the current Pope is very conservative.
		could the Catholic Church do to change the army?
		actually made they see these friends as well and better than you do probably so that they must be considering That's true.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And what they need to do is to bring back people into it is probably getting closer to the kind of things that Christ talked about, like helping the needy, the lonely, the elderly, you know, those little kinds of things.
		And they're not.
		That's not what the religion is about.
		The religion became, you have to do this.
		If you don't do this, you're going to go to hell.
		So we see it declining very rapidly.
		And we see a new millennium religion, by the way, replacing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And we don't know what to call it, but it's going to loosely be based on that thing called spirituality, where people believe that the soul is immortal and that they have a divine purpose in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see that coming.
		I think I can see that coming.
		That's very interesting.
		All right.
		What I want to do is turn you over to the audience and see where that takes us.
		I mean, you said a lot of things, and I'm sure there's a lot of agreement and a lot of probably dire disagreement.
		Let's find out.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with Gerald Salenti.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		You have a great show.
		Gerald, I think you're right on the money, and I'll get right to the point.
		First of all, do you believe, based upon what you have said, that the middle class is basically on its way out?
		And secondly, if we continue down the same road that we're going, it seems like at the least we're going to be bankrupt as a nation financially.
		And even if we won the war, in order to do so, we're going to end up losing all our rights.
		So how can we win if we lose everything that this country was based upon?
		And I'd like your comment on that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, going back, we'll start with the middle class on its way out.
		Yeah, it is, because when, you know, growing up and me being a kid, you know, my father may rest in peace.
		He raised seven children, and he was the only one working in the household.
		And as Art mentioned earlier about, you know, the fat times during, you know, post-World War II era, those days are gone.
		Two people could barely make it happen.
		You look at the debt levels now.
		They're astronomical.
		You have about each family is holding about $19,000 worth of debt.
		So these things aren't going to get better.
		And as far as going bankrupt, yeah, it's really happening.
		There was another kind of a report that wasn't put out that we didn't hear much about.
		It was the International Monetary Fund warning that the United States, the IMF report showed that funding, for instance, of Social Security and Medicare would lead to a 47, now catch this number, $47 trillion shortage over the next 70 years, or 500% of the current gross domestic product.
		That's just in that area.
		And you look at the current budget deficit.
		Between the budget deficit and the trade deficit, what are we talking about?
		We're talking about a trillion dollars of a $10 trillion economy.
		So, I mean, these are real things.
		This is why we're saying when the great recession of 2007 hits, people are going to be blindsided by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And the second thing he was saying was that is there really any way, I think he was saying this, to win?
		In other words, we lose either way.
unidentified		Yeah, you're losing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're fighting terrorism and we're losing our rights.
unidentified		We're losing because, look, take France.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everybody hates the French.
		But the French used to get their subways, their metros blown up all the time.
		You know, terrorist acts.
		When they got out of Algeria, guess what?
		The Algerians weren't launching terrorist attacks against them anymore.
		You want to get involved in somebody else's business?
		Fine, do it.
		But understand there are going to be a lot of people that are going to want to get even with you.
		Look at the news today, all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harold, is it your view that if we withdrew from all the hot and troubled spots that we're in now, just pulled everybody back, that the world would then leave us alone?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		There's the other issue, too, and this is a difficult one to talk about without being called an anti-Semite, and that's Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But answer the first question first.
unidentified		Well, that's part of it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		We'd have to get out of that.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		We would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But before we move on to Israel, if we withdrew, including from all the support of Israel, which I understand is a big source of the reason that people come after us, would they leave us alone?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe they would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		I thought when...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I believe if the United States pulled back and took care of the things going on in this country rather than in the other countries and stopped getting in bed, you know, with these other dictators, you know, like in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the rest of them, you know, and just you guys do what the hell you want to do.
		Leave us alone.
		They're going to leave us alone.
		I really believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear that.
		All right.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Gerald Salenti.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, Ardwell.
		This is Bill listening to you from 970 WFOA in Tampa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Bill.
unidentified		Good signal.
		And I have a couple of questions.
		One is I went to your guest website and he said he's no longer accepting subscription to his journal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a pass blast about that.
unidentified		That's one of the things.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's an error we're going to be taking very shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're not now.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, there's a mistake on this.
		This was a mess up that just happened.
		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Is it affordable for an individual?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's $185 a year.
unidentified		Okay, not bad.
		Not bad.
		Second question is, I recently had a conversation with a Lebanese gentleman who came over to this country in the 80s after the civil war started in Lebanon.
		And it is his view, and this is a conspiracy view, if you will, but it is his view that this country is really very much in that same position and that either Russia and or China are funding divisive,
		subversive groups in this country, a la SDS, back in the 60s or whatever, to try and promote divisiveness and to promote some kind of a civil war in this country, which may be coming up from Mexico.
		Now, that's a lot to throw out at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		But I'm wondering what kind of comments you might have.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, traditionally, wait a minute.
		You mentioned the middle class.
		Traditionally around the world, Gerald, civil wars don't occur until the middle class is virtually defunct.
		And then you have civil war.
		You think that's true?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't see a civil war happening in this country.
		I really, really don't.
		I was talking about before how in the 30s people had a dignity, but now they're so overburdened with debt and responsibility, and they've lost their passion for a lot of things.
		I don't think they'll fight.
		And also, I don't, to answer Bill's question, who would have thought that Russia and China would have become probably the two most ardent capitalistic countries in the world?
unidentified		Well, that's true.
		It is true.
		They're about ideology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's not about ideology.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And I don't see them, you know, so I don't, I think that they just want to do more and more business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We won the Cold War, I guess, you can say, and now we're losing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		See, we won the Cold War in some ways, but we lost it in others.
		You know, there's that famous quote from General Eisenhower.
		Surely no one would ever call the great general a pink O Kami.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The military-industrial complex?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And the Cold War bankrupted this country and has allowed countries like China, Japan, and all the countries in Europe to move ahead of us in many ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in a lot of ways, we were better off when Russia was solidly communist and really poor.
		And the Chinese were more ideologues than they are now and not so productive as we have been in the past.
		It's kind of a weird thing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		We were living better.
		I mean, you talk about propaganda.
		I remember growing up, I never saw every Russian woman I ever looked at was fat with one of those things over her head and picking cabbage.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see all these beautiful Russian women.
unidentified		How come they were hiding them during the Cold War?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a darnest thing, isn't it?
		You're right about that, too.
		You see the Rockies?
		You're on the air with Gerald Sleddy.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, about the Catholic Church.
		I disagree with your guess.
		According to scriptures, the gates of hell will never prevail against the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church will be rejuvenated by the conversion of the Jews.
		The next pope of the Catholic Church will most likely be the Archbishop of Paris, who is a Jew, and he will bring the Jews into Christianity.
		They will become baptized Catholics, and Jewish rabbis will become Catholic priests.
		And this will rejuvenate the world, as Scripture has it.
		So the Catholic Church is not down for the count.
		The gates of hell will not prevail.
		The Protestants couldn't kill the church.
		The Muslims couldn't destroy the church.
		And the Jews and the American media can't destroy the church who have blown the molesting scandal way out of proportion by the Jewish-controlled American media who hates the Catholic Church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, hold it, hold it, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so I've got the picture, and I'm sure you do as well, Gerald.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the church is destroying the church.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's not the media.
unidentified		You know, by the way, I'm a victim of West of the Rockies.
unidentified		Colle 3-1-800-618-8255.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Grabbed me by my little blue tie and started beating me to a pulp.
		She perforated my middle ear and broke my eardrum.
		This is a bride of Christ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a sister who whacked you when you were younger.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I mean, beat me viciously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I did remove her name.
		I don't know.
		A sister.
unidentified		But she's long gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe so.
		But a sister who just beat the...
		And you don't think this shapes your views now?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, it really doesn't.
		Because there are loads of these stories.
		There are loads of nuns' stories.
		How would it have been if a little boy or girl walks in and they embrace you and hug you and kiss you and tell and wouldn't that have been a lot different?
		And they didn't, you know, these are famous stories about what went on and what goes on.
		They're out of touch with the people.
		When they get back into serving, look, they make a big deal out of Mother Teresa.
		Mother Teresa should have been the norm rather than the exception.
		That's what the church was supposed to be about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good point there.
		Was it the Rockies?
		You're on there with Gerald Slatte.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's good to talk to you.
		This is Lauren in Medford, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Lauren.
unidentified		And I have a couple of questions for Gerald.
		First of all, Gerald, I think I wanted to say I would disagree with you.
		If things got so bad in this country that we couldn't afford to buy food or see a doctor, we would get off dust in front of the TV and there would be a revolution.
		I don't see us as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so she sees Americans as finally motivated, off the couch, up with the gun, and a revolution in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gerald, you don't see that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, well, if it goes as far as she said where they couldn't buy food and see a doctor, you know, yeah, then you're going to have it, but my God, look at the conditions.
		I don't know if that's to go to that far.
		Who wants to be here?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, I wanted to ask them actually about gold.
unidentified		A couple of questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask about gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, there have been rumors recently that John Ashcroft has been looking into making it more difficult to buy gold or that they'll be tracking all the Americans who do buy gold.
unidentified		First, I wanted to know if I haven't been able to establish whether that's a rumor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's try.
		I, too, have seen the same and heard the same rumors that there are rumblings about inquiries into gold and tracking gold and maybe making it not possible again to have gold.
		Any words about that?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I know nothing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hadn't heard a word?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You haven't heard anything about it?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should be on the internet.
		There are those rumors.
		So you don't.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I just don't know.
		If the rumors are there, you know, I wouldn't put...
		Nothing surprises me.
		I wouldn't call it a conspiracy theorist or anything else because there's going to be a real problem here.
		Again, all you have to do is look at the numbers and what's going on in society about the economy.
		The United States is really, really in debt.
		The dollar is sinking like a tank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		International line, you're on the air with Joe Slentee.
		Hello.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Are you guys there?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, mostly.
unidentified		Okay, here you go.
		This is my deal.
		I'm a member of the 75th Fighter Squadron.
		I'm active duty.
		And right now, I heard Joe or Gerald talk a while back about the statistical significance as far as the average age in the military back during the Vietnam War was around 19.
		Now, in the military now, the average age is around 34.
		And he mentioned that most of us, or most of the military, has a life to get back to.
		That's true.
		However, it is a volunteer workforce, and I'm wondering what statistics he has to back up his statement that, you know, a lot of people are more interested in getting home back to normal life rather than defending our country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, sir, where are you?
unidentified		Right now?
		Yes.
		I'm on I-10 heading to my Port of Call.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So, Gerald.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		He's stateside, right?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I guess what I'd like to say is I kind of refute his observation because it is a volunteer force, and most of us are, like myself, around 34 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, I mean, we understand our mission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mentioned the same thing to Gerald, and he suggested that we're looking at a draft, you know, after a first major incident, and we might be.
unidentified		You recall quite a bit of the National Guard.
unidentified		Several family members of mine were recalled to active duty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so basically you're wanting to know from Gerald where's some facts that would substantiate that point of view that people would just sort of quit and there would be a revolt.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, we're saying statistical significance to back it up.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		No, we're saying, again, it's trend forecast as we look at what's going to be.
		And what we're saying, you gave the number of the average age, and what did you say it was?
unidentified		Currently, it's the average age in the U.S. Air Force is 34.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing by itself.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And then you start taking that.
		What we're saying is trend forecast.
		Actually, I'll tell you a story.
		General Anthony Zinni, does that name ring a bell?
		It does.
		Well, General, I was a keynote speaker at Virginia Military Institute back in 2000 and had lunch with General Zinni.
		And General Zinne mentioned to me, he had just finished the day before a series of Senate hearings that was broadcast all over the TV after they had sunk the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen.
		And he and I were talking, and he mentioned to me, and I'm going to paraphrase, not quote him, that if the United States gets in a war with another country, we'll probably lose if our soldiers have to go fight in that country because of the makeup of what the Army looks like now.
		He said, this isn't the Marines when I was in the Marines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on that note, look, both of you hold on.
		I'll bring you back right after the break.
		We've got a break when we've got a break.
		The psychology today, hold on to what you got.
unidentified		To find out more about tonight's guests, log on to coast2coastam.com.
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		Listen to the strange story.
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		So long.
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		I can't use it anymore.
		It's getting dark, too dark to see.
		I feel I'm knocking on heaven's door.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trends.
		Oh, my, the trends.
		Seems appropriate, don't you?
		My guest is Gerald Velente and what program it's been.
		You're welcome to join us.
		We are as close as your telephone.
		Oh, my God, we're on the last segment.
		It's incredible to me how quickly the weekend goes.
		My guest is Gerald Salente, and here he is once again.
		Gerald, before I forget, I want to give you an opportunity to promote your podcast.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have books, Trends 2000, and my latest book is called What Zidzi, Z-I-Z-I gave Honeyboy, and they could be bought on Amazon.
		And our newsletter is the Trends Journal.
		And if you go to our website, you're going to see we're not taking new subscriptions now, but we will be opening them up.
		So if you just send us an email, we'll contact you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are reacting to that, seeing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was getting a lot of computer notes.
unidentified		Yeah, you can't get it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was a mistake on that on our site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's that member of the Armed Services.
		Again, I thought we ought to finish this up.
		Pretty important stuff.
		You're saying, caller, that it just didn't like that, that you don't see the military reacting that way at all.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's look at the suicide range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's let him finish.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know.
unidentified		Caller.
		Yeah, I guess one of the other things, I was just looking something up and some of the things I have here with me.
		I actually have my laptop up and running.
		And I'm looking at one of the things that might disprove your guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what is that?
unidentified		Well, basically, in the past 10 years, we've seen a significant decline in our recruitment numbers.
		And one of the reasons why that is, is because the military is instituting certain things to ensure that we're recruiting the right people, like PNI surveys and whatnot, to ensure that we're getting people who actually want to serve their country rather than just serve their four years, get their GI bill, benefit, and everything else.
		I guess I don't see, especially in my unit, and I'm at a higher command level, the things that your guest is talking about as far as not really there for the mission, the military members not being there for the mission, rather just being there for a job instead of working at Walmart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I, for one, hope you're right.
		Now, Gerald, you started to mention the suicide rate.
		There haven't been a lot of money.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look what's going on with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Recent stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The suicide rate, I guess, is pretty high, isn't it?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		In Iraq.
		Yes.
		And the caller mentioned that he's at the higher command level.
		Let's go down to the combat troops.
		And those are the ones that really make the difference at the end of the day.
		A lot of them are going to be very tired.
unidentified		Excuse me.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Let me finish, right?
		A lot of them are going to be very tired at the end of the day of fighting a war for which they think they've already won.
		Now, as trend forecasters, what we're saying is, and I mentioned this when I began this whole thing, we said the United States will be worn out of Iraq.
		So we're not looking at tomorrow or next year.
		We're looking down the line.
		And they're going to find less and less willing people to go there because of the reasons that, no, there were no weapons of mass destructions.
		Yes, Saddam Hussein is gone.
		No, I don't want to be here anymore.
		You're at a different level than the combat troops.
unidentified		Well, let me say something.
unidentified		As far as there not being weapons of mass destruction, and I was involved with the 5th Reconnaissance Squadron for several years, and that kind of information just isn't made public.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		No, look, you're right.
unidentified		No, no, no, there's actually a lot of people.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So now you're BSing.
		Just look at the facts.
		Look at the facts.
		Listen to what Tony Blair just said, you know, that was very pro-war, that, no, they couldn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
		They're not there.
		Let's call a spade a spade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Color, I've got to agree.
		If they found weapons of mass destruction, we'd be screaming from the rooftops.
		Screaming from the rooftops.
		That information would go to George Bush, and he'd be on the Television so fast, you wouldn't have time to say weapons of mass destruction.
		So I'm afraid you're right about that one, at least so far.
		You never know.
		Maybe they'll find a guy.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Let me, if I may, that Tony Blair, when he was pushing the war, was saying that there was the clearest possible, this is a quote, it was the clearest possible evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Now he's saying we think we might have is a lot different than clearest possible evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is different.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Gerald Flenty.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Gerald?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you guys doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've known you a few years.
		Thank you.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Daytona Beach Florida.
unidentified		My name is Bill, and I'm on 11.50 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Bill.
unidentified		Gerald, you were talking about gold?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What do you think of silver?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Silver fan.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Silver has more of an industrial use.
		And now, for instance, look what's happening.
		A lot of silver used to be used in the photographic industry, and now it's digital.
		And if things get, you know, I'm not saying silver isn't a good play, but I like gold because of what gold stands for.
		And gold isn't, you know, gold, yeah, it's used for jewelry, and, you know, it goes up in that aspect as well.
		But you know, if things get really bad, and they might, and we think they're going to get worse rather than get better, you want to have something that's going to buy your...
		You know, these aren't fake things, and that's not ancient history.
		You know, a gold coin brought you away to freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, no, he's right about that.
		Although silver, I think, has taken almost, well, not commensurate rise, but it's risen as well.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Right, and we're saying, you know, it's good, but, you know, we like gold.
unidentified		Okay, go ahead.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Because of the reasons that I just said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, there you are.
		And I understand exactly what you're saying about gold.
		Wildcard Line, you're on there with Gerald Slenty.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, hello.
		I'd like to say that this is the golden age of radio may be over, but this is a platinum age because of Coast to Coast AN and Artel.
		Thank you.
		I'd also like to say that I think that digital photography should not take over entirely because you can't get special films like infrared and other films.
		And so I hope that regular photography is here to stay.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that, for instance, you have companies like Kodak just announcing last week that they're abandoning some of their regular film camera projects and going more into digital.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		So when I talk about silver, silver was used a lot in the photographic industry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In processing, sure.
unidentified		I hope they don't forget about infrared.
		My question, however, is this.
		What do you see, if anything, for such things as time machines?
		Will they be in the future and how soon?
		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that's a trend that Gerald's been watching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time machine market.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Look, hey, anything's possible.
		But I'll tell you what I am looking a lot at.
		And I think there are things that can change the future.
		First of all, I don't look to politicians.
		I look to people.
		When people change, everything will change.
		And when people start acting differently, then it will be an idea whose time has come.
		And the other kind of wild card thing that could really change things around is an alternative energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to say, you can't exactly...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And science can be a good thing.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Alternative energy could be the one that does that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, Gerald, it has a habit of happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When we're at our greatest moment of need, somebody figures out how to split the atom.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It can happen.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And if we have an alternative energy art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like the music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it gets really good at the worst of time.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, so does science.
		And I'm not saying science will pull our fat out of the fire, but, you know, it's a wild card.
		It's a wild card.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		But then there's the other side of it.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It could also be after the fall of the Roman Empire, there became a dark age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And you asked me before, what would be the empire that would be.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I don't see another empire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		No.
		But what I do see is a possibility of people changing.
		And that, you know, when I talked about this new millennium religion where people believe, you know, in the immortality of the soul and a purpose of life, those kind of things can change the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the most positive thing that you've said all night.
		Well, it really is.
		He's to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Gerald Saletti.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, I know we're short of time, so I'm going to get right to the question for Gerald.
		I was wondering, do you see the failure of these corporations like Enron and such and the CEOs making all this money?
		Do you equate that to the rats jumping the ship?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, do I equate it to what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, say it louder.
unidentified		Do you equate that to the rats jumping the ship?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Equate what?
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Equate what?
unidentified		The CEOs selling out the corporations and such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, the CEO is dumping stock and...
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear the other part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two rats jumping the ship.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Oh, rats jumping the ship.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		No, no, they're not, you know, I mean, they're obviously rats.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not only, you know, this is a worldwide, this is a worldwide malignancy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yes, but what he was saying was the fact that so many CEOs are bailing out, taking their millions and running, does that mark or delineate where things are beginning to fall apart out of the world?
unidentified		Yes, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Because with each new day, there's a new business scandal.
		You go back, you know, a couple of days ago, Morgan Stanley was fined $38 million.
		Last year, it was a $1.4 billion settlement reached against Wall Street firms.
		I mean, another story last week, the world's largest temp agency, you know, was hit by a scandal.
		The Regulators, another quote, a headline, regulators allege widespread sales abuse within mutual fund industry.
		Last week, every day, every day, and when I said to you, Art, earlier about the people being demoralized, they become insensitive to these stories.
		These are major stories.
		Hey, you know, Brittany Spears got married and annulled in one day.
		And you see all the footage that CNN ran of Michael Jackson's arraignment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Of course.
		I mean, you could not have missed it.
		Yes.
		Strange trial.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Just think of that headline.
		Regulators allege widespread sales abuse with mutual fund industry.
		Don't you think that should be a headline story day after day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gerald.
		But you know what?
		The people are beaten to death.
		They're numb.
		They've had a shot of Novocaine straight into the central part of the amygdala or whatever it is in the brain.
		I mean, they're just plain numb.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I said it's a demoralized society, and that's why there won't be a revolution.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Flede.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, all right.
		Yes.
		Okay, I have a question for Gerald.
		You seem to think that if we pull out of these small countries and stuff like that, that they probably would leave us alone, but would they still want our monetary help?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Yeah, the business of the world is business.
		As I said earlier, who would have thought that the great demons of the Cold War, China and Russia, would have become the two most ardent capitalistic countries in the world?
unidentified		It's about money.
		Oh, so in other words, leave us alone, but feed us.
		Not feed us.
		Do business.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's about doing business.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure he's right about that.
		All right, we are very short on time.
		Wild Cardaline, you're on here with Gerald Slentee.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, just a quick question regarding gold for the average guy or whatever, like gold coin, something like that.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll tell you the coin that I like.
		It's called a Vienna Philharmonic.
		And when you buy an ounce of gold, an ounces and ounces and ounce, you pay different premiums because of the intricacy of how the coin is stamped.
		I'm not concerned about that as somebody buying gold for the reasons that I buy it.
		So I like that when it has the lowest premium on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying don't buy the coins for the numismatic value of the coin or the perceived numismatic value of the coin, but rather for the ounce o' gold.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		An ounce of gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is an ounce of gold.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Is an ounce of gold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy.
		This has been some program.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Gerald Slede.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
unidentified		Gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Gerald Slede.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm here.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		Okay.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what happened to this guy.
		I guess he's gone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Slede.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		And Gerald.
		Gerald, as I see the situation, we've got all these people pouring in from overseas, Asians, Mexicans, and so forth.
		And I'm just wondering, now, when we have an economic breakdown, which I'm sure we will have, we're going to have all these people from all over the world, and they're not going to have any jobs.
		Now, that's not going to be a revolution.
		Well, it's not going to be civil strife.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be civil strife.
unidentified		And you're right.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You know, they're not going to have any jobs.
		And by the way, let's understand when we're having all this cheap help coming in, you have the biggest companies in the United States supporting this.
		And no, they're going to be here, and there's going to be problems.
		There's going to be civil strife.
		But I don't see a revolution.
unidentified		Well, when there's no more police force, that's going to be bad enough.
		That'll be real bad.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		There is the question of immigration, Gerald.
		What do you think about it and what should be done or what could be done?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, now I'll become an American citizen, and I'll talk about it in that vein rather than as a trend forecaster.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		That's the way you posed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, sure.
unidentified		Why not?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		I say, as I look at it, I'd like to seal the borders and get things straightened out over here.
		and when it's safe to walk in the streets of the South Bronx, where I'm from, then let's start opening up the borders.
		But right now...
		Yeah, I'd seal them tight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that our political structure has the cojones to do something of that order?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not the issue.
		The issue is it's the same reason why we do manufacturing cheaply overseas.
		So rather than doing manufacturing cheaply overseas, we bring in overseas here and get work done cheaply.
		And for instance, when you go to, again, you being a world traveler, you go to Europe and you go into, let's say to go to buy a cappuccino in Italy, you have an adult serving you, and they're making a living wage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		You go into a convenience store here or any of the other places, you have people making minimum wage.
		And it's a whole different society.
		Here's something that people have to, that I believe you have to understand about the United States.
		Number one, it's not a democracy.
		It's a plutocracy.
		By definition, a plutocracy is a government controlled by the wealthy.
		If you or I, Art, want to run for office, or most of the people out there, we can't unless we have deep pockets like Mayor Bloomberg over here in New York, or we're going to suck up to a special interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better do one of the above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you want to be above?
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		George Bush, for this year, he raised $130 million.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's serious fundraising.
		Listen, buddy, we could go on and on and on, but we can't because we are out of time.
		It has been a pleasure having you on the program.
		You're provocative.
		You're not afraid to say what you think, and we'll have you back.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's it.
		We're out of time.
		Good night.
gerald celente ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the truth.
		That man says what he thinks.
		And that's it for me.
		And for this weekend, George kicks things off tomorrow.
		Good night.
unidentified		Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		Good night.
		This magical journey will take us on a ride filled with the longing, searching for the truth.
		Will we make it to tomorrow?
		Will the sun shine on you?
		Midnight in the desert, and we're listening.
		This year was all about drama.

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