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Jan. 18, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gerald Celente - Trends for 2004

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	♫ Music playing ♫ From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid
	you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be on the great globe in
	all those time zones.
	Because we cover them all.
	This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell, and we're about to go into open lines, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	Anything at all.
	It's the weekend, you know?
	And then, oh, by the way, next hour, let me go ahead and promo this, because it's kind of interesting.
	You know, a lot of times a guest will send us bullet points.
	You know, things that he thinks he would like to talk about, and I thought, perhaps reading some of those for you tonight, I rarely get to hear them in line, would just be kind of a good preview of what's going to happen.
	Gerald Sollete, who talks about trends, is going to be, and that's like predicting, I guess, in a way.
	Although, instead, he's basing what he's going to say on the way things are going right now.
	And from that, of course, you project how things will turn out.
	Trends.
	He wants to talk about things like the economy of 2004, a mutiny, I wonder what he means by that, in Iraq, the last years of the Catholic Church as a major institution, gold, a recession in 2006, terrorism trends, and the U.S.
	wild cards that could wreck the economy, take away even more liberties, income, And benefit decline for most U.S.
	workers.
	That certainly is going on.
	Social demoralization.
	Sheep-like society.
	Future of real estate.
	Job outlook.
	Entertainment trends.
	Election 2004.
	Clean food trends.
	Effects of war on terror.
	On tourism.
	The euro versus the dollar.
	The growing gap between the rich and poor in the U.S.
	The miserable holiday sales that didn't make the news.
	Spin Cycle 2004.
	Don't believe anything you hear coming from politicians.
	It's a year of the big lie.
	And that just gives you a little, kind of a little preview of the things we're going to touch on beginning next hour.
	This hour, anything goes.
	In Baghdad, a suicide driver, and we had the bulletin last night before we left the air, set off a truck bomb at the gates of the U.S.-led coalition headquarters Sunday, killing about 20 people, wounding 63 in the deadliest strike easily, the deadliest attack since Saddam has been captured.
	A bickering to the very last, Democrats traded insults Sunday as they reached for the finish line in a very close, caustic Iowa Caucus Race.
	The first step toward picking President Bush's rival, whoever that's going to be.
	Two state prison guards were taken hostage by inmates early Sunday and negotiations were called in trying to defuse that situation.
	All this in Buckeye, Arizona.
	One inmate attacked a guard shortly after five in the morning during breakfast prep and met up with another inmate in the prison yard and the two gained access to the Officer's Tower, so a mess down there.
	Hampered by snow and low clouds, U.S.
	and Canadian crews called off rescue efforts Sunday for ten people believed killed when a small regional airline plane crashed into icy Lake Erie shortly after taking off from a Canadian island.
	Single-engine plane crashed in snowy weather late Saturday afternoon.
	And by Sunday was submerged in 24 feet of water about a mile east of Pli Island, the Ontario provincial capital.
	and so i got uh... quite a bit for you uh... this evening quite quite a number
	of other things and then we will dive directly into open lines
	all right This is kind of interesting stuff.
	And this apparently is a reprint from Newsmax.com.
	Stephen Douglas, a military radio hobbyist in Amarillo, Texas, monitored a very curious exchange on the morning of January 7th.
	An unidentified aircraft calling itself Lockheed Test 2334 told FAA controllers in Albuquerque, New Mexico that it was going Quote, going supersonic, somewhere above flight level 60, meaning 60,000 feet, end quote.
	According to Douglas, the FAA controllers questioned the aircraft, say what type of craft requested the controller, end quote.
	The answer, we are a classified type and cannot reveal our true altitude.
	A few minutes later, the same pilot requested permission to descend to 30,000 feet and a flight path to Las Vegas.
	With final destination somewhere in the Nellis Range.
	The FAA controller responded, trip home a bit slower, huh?
	To which the mystery aircraft did not respond.
	Interesting.
	The exchange monitored by Douglas is similar to early military radio transmissions monitored in the late 1990s.
	An unidentified aircraft codenamed Stovepipe Once requested permission to cross the California border en route to Nellis, the aircraft refused to give its true altitude and speed.
	Californians, however, were quickly made aware of Stowpipe because it generated a rather intense sonic boom as it passed over the coastline.
	The aircraft set off several earthquake monitors as it passed overhead.
	At several times the speed of sound, I might add.
	The space shuttle is known to trigger earthquake detectors when it passes over California for landing at Edwards.
	And I must say, I have a lot of friends in California.
	And lately, I've been hearing a lot of stories of really weird aircraft moving overhead.
	Now, here's further down in the article, invisible airplanes.
	What is the Skunk Works testing today?
	The unofficial reports indicate that the super-secret aircraft builders are hard at work on... Yup.
	An invisible airplane.
	Stealth was the watchword for the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.
	However, the stealthy strike fighter was visible to the naked eye, limiting its attack missions to the deep dark of night.
	Today, advances in light panel technology ...are pushing the limits of invisible airplanes.
	The fact, uh, is that aircraft stand out against the bright blue sky, obviously, as darker objects, but by using panels of light, the aircraft does virtually disappear against the blue sky.
	Ironically, the concept, of course, is new.
	In the 1940s, the U.S.
	Navy developed Operation Yehudi, The first practical attempt to create an invisible aircraft, U.S.
	Navy bombers were considered too slow to visually spot a German U-boat cruising on the surface and attack in daylight.
	U-boat commanders often spotted the lumbering bombers and dived safely away before the planes could attack.
	In response, a string of bright lights were arrayed on the wings and the propeller hubs of the sub-hunter planes.
	The bomber crews adjusted the lights to match the natural background light behind the aircraft, masking their planes against the sky.
	But, it would appear now that we are testing an invisible aircraft, and it may well be that some of you out there have... Well, I guess I can't say that you've seen it, right?
	But, I wonder how many of you in California, because I've heard this echoed a lot of times, Have looked up, expecting to see an aircraft somewhat ahead of the sound as you would normally look for it.
	But it's not there.
	Clearly, we are testing invisibility.
	Pretty cool stuff, I'd say.
	Listen, the President, as you know, would like to set NASA on a new course for exploring the far reaches of our solar system.
	Starting with a long-term research base on our moon!
	But the White House says the venture will not require major spending increases in the short run.
	That's interesting.
	Presidents often do that.
	They lay out great programs, but they don't fund them, particularly in the short run, i.e.
	translation.
	The years that president will be in office, you know, let the big debt and the bill come due during somebody else's administration.
	Bush, who was Laying out his vision in a speech Wednesday at the Space Agency's headquarters will offer a new plan to explore space, extend a human presence across our solar system.
	Says the proposal will give NASA a new focus and long-term vision for future exploration that will focus on a renewed spirit of discovery.
	And, you know, let me add here that I I am a supporter of the space program and I believe what we do in space comes back and pays us back, you know, things we learn and the new products we come up with and I don't know, it's a frontier that's out there and waiting for us and I am not going to be sad that the U.S.
	is rich enough And it certainly is, by the way, to take care of its own and walk and chew gum at the same time.
	Have a space program of some description.
	I think it's the nature of man to want to explore.
	Don't you?
	There are some worrisome ecological things.
	I know some of you think that it's virtual communism, right?
	If you talk about the environment or global warming, It's gotta be communism, because it's gonna put a, you know, it's gonna put a wrench right in the middle of the economy, and of course it would.
	On January 7th, a report in the journal Nature said climate change could speed a million land-based species toward extinction within the next 50 years.
	Many of your lifetimes out there.
	The next day, the World Watch Institute declared, modern lifestyles were bad for us and unsustainable for the planet.
	The UK government's chief scientist now says that climate change, listen to this now, is a far worse danger than international terrorism.
	Now that's worth considering.
	The UK's number one scientist saying the climate change is far worse in terms of danger to us than international terrorism ever will be.
	A triple onslaught like that defies anyone to head into the new year feeling even slightly positive about the human condition.
	Yet life does go on, of course.
	And most of us need to worry about paying the Christmas bills they racked up.
	And not about, you know, the world bereft of a quarter of all the animals and plants that are here right now.
	That's hard to worry about, I suppose.
	Researchers say That most of the human diseases of the future will be passed to us from animals.
	That's something to think about.
	Right now, bird flu from Asian chicken farms is killing people in Vietnam.
	That seems too far away to be worrying about here, right?
	But... SARS seemed the same way.
	It was in China.
	And then, uh-oh!
	It was in Canada, right?
	Remember when they first discovered SARS in China?
	You saw the first report, you shrug, and you go, well... Well, it's a very small world now, and it looks like the bird flu might be next.
	Japanese have something new pretty cool, too!
	The Japanese company Takara, which invented decoders to help you understand what your cat and dog are saying... See, I didn't know that.
	Has it now invented a product which lets you create your own dreams?
	CNN covered this.
	You might have seen it.
	Pretty cool.
	Create your own dreams!
	Now, the first step in doing this is recording your future dream by describing it to a special tape recorder.
	When you're asleep, the recorder senses when your body is having periods of REM, or rapid eye movement, which is when people dream.
	And then, it plays the recording, along with appropriate music, lights, and snells.
	So, it's a dream machine, folks.
	And then you proceed to have the dream that you wanted to have.
	Now, is that cool, or what?
	A dream machine.
	So you can design your own dreams.
	I suppose you have to be careful there.
	I mean, what if somebody got hold of your dream machine recorder?
	Then you would potentially, perhaps, be in trouble.
	So that's some world we live in, right?
	A dream machine.
	I'd kind of like to have one of those myself, I think.
	Two new, speaking of SARS, two new SARS cases have just come to light in China, bringing back fears that that epidemic may return.
	China is destroying a very large number of civic cats.
	The carriers of the disease, but the man who has just recovered from SARS says he's never eaten the animal.
	A second suspected case is a 20-year-old waitress who worked in a restaurant serving wild game.
	The researchers say the new SARS strain is more, this is in quotes, human-like, making it even more infectious than the strain that caused the previous outbreak.
	So, in other words, SARS, it would seem, has mutated.
	And this time, it's a little more ready for human assimilation.
	So, these are pretty scary things in the news.
	And again, I know it's easy to shrug, right?
	Very easy to shrug.
	You can say, ah, well, you know, it's in China.
	But you've got to remember that last time it was in China one day and the next day it was in Canada.
	Or seemingly the next day, close enough.
	And so one of these days, one of these species jumping monsters is going to be here.
	Just like that.
	That's the age we live in.
	It's a part of what I still call the quickening.
	Alright!
	Open lines were promised.
	Open lines are delivered.
	Western the Rockies, you're on Coast to Coast AM.
	Hello.
	Good evening.
	Good evening.
	Where are you?
	Oh, this is Rattles up in Alaska.
	Oh, really?
	What part of Alaska?
	I live 30 miles out of Fairbanks.
	30 miles out of Fairbanks.
	Well, I would imagine this would be a fairly brutal time of year for you.
	Hey, talk about brutal.
	Them people were squawking last week over New England about to call weather.
	That's right.
	I was watching the news a bit, and they don't know how to handle it quite right, their power outages and whatnot.
	Right last night, the 57 below zero, It was 57 below zero there where you are?
	Yep, and I called my neighbor this morning.
	He just down the road a mile.
	He had 60 below.
	60.
	I've been in that weather.
	I used to live in Anchorage.
	And Anchorage, of course, doesn't get nearly the weather Fairbanks does.
	But occasionally, even the mountains and the water around Anchorage don't help.
	And it comes from the interior in Anchorage for a couple weeks, you know, during the winter.
	Can't get down to 30 and 40 below zero, so I experienced plenty of that.
	Pretty weird stuff, huh?
	Yeah, it's really unique when it gets to that temperature.
	You get ice fog.
	Yeah, but not just that.
	Like, the Chenaug Springs Road is a mile away from me, and when it gets to the 60 below, it sounds like it's right out front of my house.
	Your footsteps sound like you're walking on brittle glass.
	Uh-huh.
	It's a whole different realm.
	Yeah, I know that.
	A lot of people down here in this part of the world Probably would be interested in why you choose to live in a place where it gets that cold.
	Oh, I'll tell you why.
	Like today, it was really cold.
	And yesterday.
	But I go outside anyhow.
	It doesn't matter.
	We've got the right clothing.
	And you've got to eat right.
	You can't get up and eat puffed rice and expect you're going to stay warm.
	That's right.
	You have to eat a lot of grease and a lot of food.
	Yeah, but why do you live there?
	Right now, there's no motor homes.
	There's no bugs.
	Very few people.
	It's pretty peaceful.
	Well, uh... We've got the Heart Project, though!
	Yeah, that's right.
	No, it is pretty peaceful up there.
	It's wild, and Alaskans are a wild people.
	They're really cool.
	I loved it in Alaska.
	Yep, I like it here, too.
	I've lived here almost 30 years.
	Oh, you're... Darn, you're a native.
	Yeah, and you know what?
	The longer I live here, the more I watch the native folks, because they've survived here For tens of thousands of years.
	That's right.
	And I got into eating that marine mammal stuff, the seal oil and blubber.
	A bit of that when it gets super cold.
	Caucasians don't like that stuff at all.
	It's not very palatable.
	I honestly can't say I'm into seal blubber.
	But one night at 45 below, I had to go do some trail work.
	I was putting it off, putting it off.
	The thermometer wouldn't come up, so I had to go do it.
	And I took two eels while it was a seal oil, and I went out at 45 below on the snow machine,
	and about 15-20 minutes later, I was taking the park off.
	I'm talking about generating some heat now.
	Apparently so, yeah.
	Oh, it makes you like a boiler.
	Well, I'll bear it in mind, sir.
	If I'm ever stranded in your part of the world, seal blubber oil.
	Mmm.
	and I'll see you next time.
	It is an unusual land to live in.
	There's absolutely no question about that.
	Alaska is a beautiful, it's beyond description.
	I lived there for three years and you travel a lot in Alaska by airplane because that's the only way you can go.
	And so you get a lot of low-level flights over the Alaskan outback, as it were, and it is just Stupendous.
	It's just an incredible place.
	I have been back a couple of times and a lot of very good memories in Alaska.
	A wild card line, you're on the air, but without a lot of time.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Oh, hey, Art.
	What I want to know is if I was just here in the Stephen Gibbs Show the other day with George Nouri.
	Ah, yes.
	And I first heard it with you.
	Yes.
	Back in 97.
	That's right.
	I was just a couple of weeks before, which they just reminded me of, with you last night talking with Peter about the Phoenix Lights thing.
	That was quite an event.
	But what I want to know is if you did use the machine, if you did get a machine from Steven, and if you have any thoughts on that.
	Well, oh, the machine.
	The time machine, right?
	Yeah.
	You want to hold on during the break?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, all right.
	Well, then I'll tell you all about it.
	From the high desert in the middle of the night.
	You get a shiver in the dark.
	It's raining in the park.
	Meantime, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Cause I love the river you stop and you hope.
	Don't know why Baby, when you need a smile
	There's no shadow, there's no way You're good to come to me
	Baby, you see The love's just waiting, baby
	For someone new tonight The love's just living my life
	There's always room to make it true But I do
	Who's gonna love you, love you?
	Who's gonna love a Nazi?
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	on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM, with Art Bell. Eda.
	In a moment I'm going to tell you what little there is to tell about the time machine that yes indeed, oh yes, I do
	have.
	Alright, wildcard line, you were asking about the time machine.
	Yeah, definitely.
	All right.
	Well, here's the story.
	Yes, I have.
	When I did the show with Stephen Gibbs, I was impressed enough, you know, with what he actually had built to purchase one.
	And so I've got it.
	And I'll tell you, here's what I'll tell you.
	It's got the biggest honking electromagnetic device you've ever seen in your whole life.
	I only know this, that somewhere along the line, in time travel, if it's real, electromagnetism is going to be involved, probably along with RF.
	Now, this thing has an electromagnet that would lift your right arm.
	It's big.
	And it plugs into 110 volts.
	It's going to generate one hell of a lot of electromagnetism.
	So, looking at it and knowing really what it was, sir, I have erred on the side of caution, and the instructions say, lay that big honkin' electromagnet on your chest and plug it into the wall.
	You see, I've refrained from doing that, knowing roughly what it is.
	That doesn't mean that it won't work.
	It may work, one never knows.
	The closest we got, we had a company party, and we had a Clear Channel attorney here, and my wife, Who doesn't have the restraint that I have, had wired this attorney up and was ready to plug him into the wall when I grabbed her hand.
	That's the story.
	Otherwise, it's in the closet and maybe one day when I figure I don't have much more to lose, I'll plug that mother in.
	Oh, really?
	So you thought there was a fear of actual electric shock of some kind or something?
	No.
	Assuming the electromagnet functioned as designed, it would create a gigantic electromagnetic field, and I'm not sure that's a cool thing to do on your chest.
	You know, and I was wondering, did I remember you saying something about you worked on the original microwave design?
	Were you part of some kind of engineering team?
	I don't know if that's something that you worked on.
	No, in my past, I've worked in microwave.
	I designed the microwave system.
	And, in fact, put it together for what was then Times Mirror Cable in Las Vegas, and now is, I think, Cox Cable in Las Vegas.
	Oh, that's what it was.
	Yeah, I work in that field.
	You know, and I did see, when I was in Southern California, well, not all the way Southern, and kind of Southern Central, over in the mountains by China Lake, I saw some interesting airplanes.
	I've been around aviation, my family's in the military in aviation and stuff, and I never had seen those here before.
	So I got to asking around to some of the locals if they had saw him and if I was just crazy or not, and it turns out someone had saw the same ones and ran a study on some photos and found it to be a French plane.
	I know, all kinds of strange stuff.
	Have you heard that kind of thing?
	Yeah, sure.
	I've heard that there was presence of the UN in China Lake and it had been for just about a couple of years it would be now.
	Nothing would shock me, sir.
	Right.
	Well hey, you know what else?
	Is there a way that you can give me the spelling of that Maitreya thing?
	No, not really.
	Not correctly.
	Sorry, I'll see what I can do for you.
	But I wouldn't venture, because I know I'll get it wrong.
	I want to read you an email that I've got from a listener out there that echoes about, I don't know, about probably 2,000 of these that I've received.
	Dear Art, this is Gary Soltis, is it, from Santa Monica?
	Dear Art, I'm a listener to the show since 97.
	I moved to Los Angeles in 2001, and I listened to the show on KFI 640 since then.
	This week, they decided to move George Norrie to 1 to 5, taking the live feed off and giving us a delayed feed, and putting another host in his place from 10 to 1 AM, some John Ziegler.
	This was bad enough, but complaints made by the show's fans have been branded as rantings from the George Norey nutcases needing to know more about anal probes by Martians, etc.
	Those type of comments.
	A very smart-ass, immature attitude, if you will.
	Now, I know everyone's entitled to free speech, but It seems to me that the show, you, and George, and its listeners, are being insulted by the very station which carries it.
	I know, I find it to be uncalled for, and realize I could attempt to find the show on another affiliate, but still, KFI has the best feed in LA.
	Personally, I don't believe it reflects well on the show, or you, and would hope you're seeking alternatives in the area well.
	Uh, Gary, You know, Coast to Coast AM, this program, I guess I'm its daddy, right?
	I designed the format.
	I thought it up.
	It just happened, however you want to look at it.
	I began it.
	Alternative programming.
	This is alternative programming, let's face it.
	We talk about stuff here.
	That, um, you know, other people don't talk about.
	This is a talk show that touches on subjects that other talk shows wouldn't dare talk about.
	They wouldn't dare!
	So... Here's how I feel.
	You know, by 10 o'clock at night, The day's news, whatever the day's news is, unless it's another 9-11 or something of that magnitude, the day's news has pretty well been chewed to death, analyzed, chewed up, spit out by 10 o'clock at night.
	By 10 o'clock at night, most people are ready to hear something a little different, right?
	Let their minds wander a little bit late at night.
	It's a great time late at night.
	You have the quiet, the phones aren't ringing, you can sit back And you can begin to imagine some things that otherwise you might not have a chance to imagine.
	That's what this program is about.
	And what KFI has done by just, well, it's a mystery to me, and it's a slap in the face, I think.
	I'll tell you something, in every single demographic group, and this is a true statement because I've seen it, in every demographic group, this program was clearly number one In its time slot on KFLI.
	Number one.
	Right across the board.
	Whatever age you are.
	That's a strong, strong number one, you know?
	There was some weakness, but it wasn't in Coast to Coast AM.
	It was in the three-hour program preceding Coast to Coast AM.
	And then at 10 o'clock, when you looked at the survey numbers, and you do it by the hour, Coast went right up to number one, and then got stronger and stronger each hour.
	That's the truth.
	Now, Robin Bertolucci was responsible for my return here on weekends, right?
	Robin has not only, in my opinion, made a terrible decision in moving Coast from its normal time slot, 10 o'clock, on the West Coast, but, you know, has replaced it with yet another news-chewer.
	But you know then, what really is under my skin is the fact that when listeners make complaints, apparently on the air, you know, about the show's change, they go and insult the very loyal listeners that are complaining.
	How smart is that?
	Now, I wouldn't think to bash Mr. Ziegler, you know, if I was trying to do that show.
	Because I would stoop to the level of KFI.
	However, Robin Bertolucci has made a terrible decision and followed it up by either allowing or even encouraging insulting conduct on the air toward a very loyal audience, all of you out there.
	And if these comments I'm sure that a number one show, and be assured this is, will not have great difficulty in finding a station which would like to be number one.
	So, you know, that's been under my skin for a while now and I wanted to get it out.
	So, there you are.
	this is, will not have great difficulty in finding a station which would like to be number
	one.
	So that's been under my skin for a while now and I wanted to get it out.
	So there you are.
	I'm getting too old and too something or another not to say what's on my mind.
	you East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, good morning, Art.
	How are you?
	I am very well, sir.
	Thank you.
	I've been listening to you for about 10 years.
	It's the first time I've ever gotten through to talk to you.
	I'm calling you from Dayton, Ohio.
	I'm listening to you on my WHIO 1290 on the AM dial.
	Way to do a promo.
	And they've been doing the show for a very short time, but I hope they keep you for a while.
	Well, bless their hearts and yours.
	What's up?
	Just a couple comments.
	One, you made a comment about two years ago.
	You took in a dog.
	You said it was a mixed Shar Pei.
	I just wonder what you ever did with that dog, because you never talk about it.
	You talk about your cat.
	That's absolutely right.
	Well, you know what?
	We don't have that dog any longer, and I'll tell you why.
	Because that dog began to eat our house.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, no.
	This is not...
	An exaggeration.
	We found her a good home.
	What happened is, she actually did begin to eat the house, sir.
	We would go out there and she was... I have this nice new porch that I built a few years ago, the one that I fell off before they built it, and this dog was eating the two-by-fours.
	I swear to you, man, she was eating two-by-fours.
	It was the doggonest thing, pardon the pun, that I've ever seen in my whole life.
	Actually, what animal eats two-by-fours?
	I don't know, she must have been teething and she must have been young because that's what they do.
	I wonder what you did with her because I've owned Shar-Pei's for years and I think they're great dogs.
	She was a wonderful dog.
	It's just that we couldn't let her eat our house.
	Did she try to eat the cat too?
	No, although given an opportunity I'm sure it would have been tasty.
	They like to play with the cat.
	They play pretty rough with it.
	Uh, another thing I call it, just to kind of throw at you, I'm a fundamental Baptist, and you, when you start talking about these UFOs and all this supposedly space aliens and all this kind of crap that's supposed to shake us up and make us wonder about our religion and everything, I assure you already does.
	Well, it's not supposed to, but... It does bother me one bit.
	I wish they would have total disclosure.
	Well, that's cool.
	I'm glad you feel that way, but I must tell you, many of your brethren do not share your view.
	Well, a lot of them do, and I wish more of them would call, because we feel like there's a reason for everything.
	I'm maybe more liberal as a fundamentalist than maybe a lot of them are, but you know... Alright, let me stop you and lay it straight on you as quick as I can, alright?
	If you found out that we were created by an alien race, not by God, But we were actually created in a laboratory by an alien race on an alien planet and seeded here.
	There's no way, if you're really a fundamentalist, that you can tell me that that would not shake you up.
	I mean, you know, there's just so many things that are possible and there's so much that we don't really know.
	Well, of course, I'm throwing out the worst case scenario for you.
	Well, I want to say this to you.
	Our Bible talks about a flock that he has that we know not of.
	That's almost the exact word.
	And I think God has hidden things from us that we don't know, and we don't need to know.
	It does say that this flock was created by God.
	Well, I'll deal with it if that's what happens, but right now it doesn't concern me too much.
	Alright, well then you are indeed a very liberal fundamentalist, because I can promise you most of the communication I get is not quite along those lines at all.
	What's with the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Jamie calling from San Diego.
	Yo, Jamie.
	On Kogo Radio 600.
	Of course.
	First, I thought that maybe your LA listeners can listen to Kogo and get you live that way.
	That would be one way.
	And then they can also go on the internet and get you on Kogo.com.
	You understand our dilemma, though, don't you?
	Yeah.
	Sounds like they're being quite... I can't say it on the air.
	But my main reason for calling was I was listening last night and you were talking about taking UFOs to the next level.
	Oh yes.
	And I wanted to hear what your plan is since you don't believe in full disclosure.
	Well, you're not talking to somebody with a plan.
	I don't have a plan.
	You're in a bit of a pickle then.
	Well, not really because I'm not leading the charge to spring the information free.
	But there are plenty of people who are.
	One of them was on last night.
	Oh yeah, I know.
	Yeah, no, I'm not in a pickle because I don't have a plan because that's not what I do.
	I do a talk program and I talk with people who advocate that or perhaps advocate the opposite and I have both on and you can decide for yourself what you believe to be the truth.
	That also is what this program is all about.
	Allowing you to make decisions about things that you haven't heard about any other time of day.
	The nighttime is very different.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Um, I'm not talking on the air right now, am I?
	Yes, you are.
	That's, we have, sir, I don't screen my calls so hard.
	Okay.
	Um, what it was, was last night you were, had an open question about, um, uh, scientific things.
	I was wondering what or why Eisenhower said what he said.
	I would like to know the deep down reasons.
	Beware of the military-industrial complex?
	Yeah, how much more of that could be pertaining to his perhaps meeting with aliens of some sort?
	Well, alright.
	I think that he meant it From a... look, don't let the folks who make the guns and the bullets and the missiles dictate policy and so beware of them and I think he meant it for just the way it sounds.
	I mean if you... I suppose it's cynical of me to say that the people who make guns and bullets and bombs and missiles Want there to be conflict, but on the other hand, their product isn't used until there is.
	Right?
	Uh, you're on the air coast-to-coast AM with Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hi, where are you, sir?
	Uh, am I speaking to Art Bell?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	All right, I'm in Atalano.
	Where is that?
	That's right next to Victorville.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Uh, from what I understand from a friend of mine, You had spoke to Richard Hoagland about an alien dead body?
	No, no, no, no.
	No, I would not have talked with Richard about a dead alien.
	Oh.
	Richard doesn't talk about that kind of stuff.
	Richard talks about, you know, pretty much Mars research, sir, you know.
	Right, this is where I found it was in the city square.
	In the city square?
	Yes.
	Oh, you're talking about...
	Oh, one of the photographs from Mars?
	Yes.
	You think you see a dead alien body there?
	Absolutely!
	Absolutely!
	I looked on some of the other pages and brought it up even closer.
	Yeah?
	It was from JPL.
	That's where I found it.
	I've been trying to get in touch with Richard Hoagland for some time.
	Well, I'm sure he would want to know about that right away.
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, what I would say is...
	Send the man an email, and you know... I've done that.
	I've been in touch with him with emails for about three months.
	Someone called me here, but I wasn't home at the time.
	Ah.
	And, uh, if I can give you a clue to where this is... Where is it?
	You would look it up, because I trust you, Art Bell.
	Well, now it's gotta be fairly well petrified, I would think.
	Yes.
	It's like looking at a body, like in Pompeii, when they dug up the bodies.
	Oh, yes.
	That's what it looks like.
	And I've taken these pictures to other people.
	Well, is this clearly a dead body or is it sort of look like?
	It could be a statue, but it looks like it's sitting down or laying on its side.
	And it looks like if it was a statue, it fell over.
	Well, if somebody had actually called you back from the Enterprise mission, then you would know that.
	I mean, your phone wouldn't just ring and then nothing would happen.
	No, they left a message that they were going to contact me, but they haven't.
	Oh.
	Yes.
	Well, then I would say if they've gone that far, then that would indicate to me that they have looked at what you have asked them to look at and must find it of some interest, or I doubt they would have called you.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I can tell you where to go look.
	It's on one of the JPL pictures where they brought it up real close.
	And this, this body looks like it's got, it looks like a utility belt around its waist.
	Okay.
	Well, listen, I'm going to, we're going to have to hold it there.
	And that's a whole other subject.
	Gerald Celente and Trends coming up next from the high desert in the middle of the night.
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	Prepare yourself for some very eerily accurate predictions.
	Predictions based not on psychic flashes or intuition or anything else, but predictions actually made based on history and current trends.
	Yes, predictions about the way things are going to go.
	Again, not based on a psychic insight, but based on something much more scientific.
	The way things are going right now.
	Gerald Celente coming up.
	He's founder and director of the Trends Research Institute, which is today's number one, well he's number one, the number one trend analyst.
	He's publisher of the Trends Journal newsletter.
	Gerald Celente accurately forecasted the current recession, the dot-com meltdown, no small matter.
	The 97 Asian currency crisis, the 87 world stock market crash, increased terrorism against America and in 1993 predicted that at the dawn of the new millennium a Crusades 2000 would be raging beyond the geopolitical and economic trends which are in the headlines today.
	Gerald coined the term clean foods.
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	The big move to small towns, real estate trends, and other economic, political, social, business, and pop culture trends.
	He regularly provides business and industry with customized presentations and commissioned research studies in over 300 trend categories.
	is coming up in a moment, Gerald Cilente.
	Gerald Cilente, welcome to the program.
	Good morning.
	Thank you for having me.
	It is morning where you are.
	You're in New York, right?
	It's about two in the morning.
	Two in the morning.
	And so you're wide awake enough to be doing this.
	Oh, yeah.
	Very much looking forward to being on the show.
	Did you hear what I just said about, really, you make predictions?
	I do.
	Right.
	You just don't do it because of a psychic flash or some blinding insight other than that based on history and what's going on in the world right now, right?
	Well, current events form future trends.
	You can see the face of the future.
	Yeah.
	You're doing what you're doing.
	We're all doing what we're doing in life because of decisions that we've made.
	That's fact.
	And the same thing holds true for a society.
	And the current events that we see The future that's going to happen is a result of the
	actions and the implications of those actions that occur.
	What happens is that people today particularly are really blind to the future because of
	the abundance of junk news rather than real news.
	They don't see those important things that are going on.
	You know, we have super coverage of Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, things we should know very little about.
	We have infotainment.
	Infotainment.
	Junk news infotainment.
	That's what we have.
	No question about it.
	You know, as a little promo for the show, I read, usually I hardly pay attention to bullet points that guests send, but you know, yours were so intriguing that I just literally read the list to the audience.
	I thought it was so intriguing, I mean, all these areas that you're going to cover for me, I would like to know, I think the audience probably would too, how you, I mean, do you just personally sit down after having read the headlines, reviewed history, how do you come up with what you're about to tell us all about?
	What we do is we keep a running I guess you could call it a running prophecy documenting how the events of today are going to affect the trends of tomorrow.
	You can see it again.
	Let's begin with the New Year.
	The New Year begins and all the newspapers and broadcast media are splashed with footage of armed-to-the-teeth U.S.
	storm troopers with the fingers on the trigger, you know, eagle eyes, ready to shoot the first terrorist that pops up, you know?
	Well, this is Happy Holidays.
	Here we go again.
	Orange alert.
	You go back to virtually, you know, every major holiday, there's an orange alert.
	So now what happens?
	Well, now the fear factor rises.
	The government says, you know, what a great job they're doing protecting us, you know.
	It's like a witch doctor You know, saying that, you know, wear garlic around your neck, it'll keep the vampires away.
	And hey, it works!
	You know, there are no vampires.
	Well, there is that aspect.
	I mean, to be fair, there hasn't been anything awful that's happened since.
	Well, exactly, but here's how we look at it.
	But you could attribute that to, I don't know, increased vigilance, better security, CIA doing their jobs, FBI doing their jobs.
	Exactly, but whatever it is, What happens is the people, as we look at it, the people become more fearful and also more reliant on the government to protect them.
	And then we look at the kind of things that are going on and we see more losses of rights, First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment rights.
	And we're not saying good or bad, right or wrong, we're saying this is what's going on.
	These are the facts.
	Now people coming into the country, again whether you like it or not, good or bad, Now they're being fingerprinted, and they're being photographed.
	Oh yeah, I've seen it.
	But if you were the president, and 9-11 had occurred, and you were more or less in charge of taking steps to make sure there was not another 9-11, or do the best damn job you could in that direction, what would you do?
	Well again, we don't say right or wrong, but here's where we come in as trend forecasters.
	We say, okay, tourism was really starting to pick up again.
	The dollar for Europeans to come to America is like Americans going to Mexico, because the dollar is taking such a bashing.
	Now all of a sudden, they're not going to want to come here anymore.
	So as we look at it for business purposes, we say to people relying on international tourism, this isn't going to help.
	Then we say, all right, now look, you're trying to sell product overseas.
	There's more and more anti-Americanism coming about.
	Again, whether you like what's going on or not, these are the facts.
	So you have to reposition your product in a European market to have less of an American cachet.
	Because at one time it was very popular, now it's becoming very unpopular.
	So that's the way we look at issues.
	When you look at what we have done in Iraq, agree or disagree with it, How do you assess that?
	I don't clearly see an exit strategy for the U.S.
	at the moment.
	We're occupying that country and taking continuing casualties.
	Surely you've got something to say about that?
	Well, you know, it's one of those things, and we attribute this, and we've been writing about it before it happened, this is classic symptoms of empire decline.
	You only have so many resources.
	And you're free to do whatever you want with those resources.
	If you choose to use those resources in fighting battles around the world, knock yourself out.
	But it's going to hurt at home.
	So you see us as England?
	As Great Britain?
	You only have to go back as far as England.
	And then we talked about terrorism just before.
	As we used to say in the Bronx, as a kid growing up there, payback's a bitch.
	You want to get involved in somebody else's business?
	Guess what?
	They're going to get even.
	And we wrote before the Iraqi war, we said that the United States would achieve a swift victory initially that will go into a long guerrilla war and that eventually the United States will be not thrown out, but worn out.
	We're not going to win over there.
	So you think they will just wear us down?
	That eventually the numbers of casualties will mount to the point where a president, if not this one, is forced to end it?
	Yes, because of another reason.
	When you go back to the Vietnam War, people think the protests stopped the war.
	That's a lot of baloney.
	You go back and McGovern took a drubbing from Clinton.
	How many years the war was going on?
	About eight, nine years.
	Eight years and tens of thousands of casualties.
	What stopped the war over there was becoming an unwillingness of the American soldiers to continue to fight.
	And you're going to start seeing the same thing happening in Iraq for a very different reason.
	The same reason but a different reason in that in the Vietnam War it was a bunch of kids.
	18, 19, 20 year olds.
	Now you have a lot of adults over there.
	You look at the casualty list coming in.
	People 37, 45 years old.
	They're not going to want to do this.
	They're going to think their mission is over.
	Hey, we were going there.
	We got rid of Saddam Hussein.
	I want to go home.
	I have a life to live.
	I have a job that I left behind.
	You're going to start seeing mutiny come out.
	You're predicting mutiny in our own military?
	Mutiny in the sense that the people over there are going to be unwilling to fight.
	Now, having said that... Having said that, bearing in mind this is a volunteer force.
	It's a volunteer force, but this force, you know, you could call it a volunteer force, but a lot of people in that volunteer force took this as an alternative to working at Walmart or a 7-Eleven for an education.
	They didn't think that they'd be in this long.
	They're going to acknowledge that they probably made a bad choice.
	Well, surprise, surprise.
	When you join the military, you're liable to find out what their mission is.
	That's right.
	But again, you have a lot of adults there that have careers and families that aren't going to want to be living in this hellhole much longer.
	How long do you give it, Gerald?
	Well, that's what I was going to say.
	Having said that, there are always wild cards.
	And that's why nobody can really predict the future, because these wild cards get thrown on the deck like we're in our lives.
	What potential wild cards?
	Well, a potential wild card is that there could be, and there probably will be, another terrorist attack, as we were warned by Tom Ridge, the head of Homeland Security, in the Orange Alert, an attack at equal to or greater than 9-11.
	When something like that happens, the nation will again rally behind the President.
	And something could happen so heinous that all of a sudden the people are gung-ho again for another round of military might.
	How much of a chance do you attach to that heinous act you just mentioned?
	I think there's a better than...
	Ninety percent chance of... Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Really?
	You're talking about maybe a dirty bomb or a biological attack, a significant biological attack, something really horrible.
	Really horrible.
	And again, we're not Monday morning quarterbacks on this.
	In the Trends Journal, we've been writing about this for years, going back to the mid-eighties.
	We called it World Wars of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
	And we're going to see it happen.
	I mean, you don't invade another country and expect the people not to want to get you the hell out of there.
	And again, this isn't whether we're for the war or against the war.
	We could be talking about any country, anywhere.
	Gerald, you don't want to answer something, you don't have to, but I'm liable to ask kind of tough questions.
	There's a lot of controversy going on right now with regard to Well, remember the Maine.
	planned. There are even charges that the oil was divided up and that, you know, the invasion
	of Iraq was a preordained thing. Even before 9-11, there's people saying all kinds of things
	right now. Do you believe that to be perhaps accurate?
	Well, remember the Maine. You know, it probably never happened, you know, with the Spanish-American
	war.
	Let's go to the Vietnam War.
	Hey, guess what?
	The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened.
	Yeah, I know.
	And it's on audio tape of Johnson and McNamara speaking.
	Well, look, we are a warrior people.
	Read my lips!
	No new taxes!
	I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky!
	Sweetheart, him and I, we're just friends!
	Look, I don't believe anything!
	Until people prove themselves to be truthworthy, and trustworthy.
	And you could go back, there's a litany of lies being told by the people.
	I think what's going on with the Iraq War, again, What we do is we look at the facts, and the facts are telling us, we just heard from a guy, and he's not a lightweight.
	His name is Paul O'Neill.
	Who is Paul O'Neill?
	He worked, he was in the Nixon White House, the Ford White House, he was the chairman of Alcoa Aluminum, and this isn't like some flaky conspiracy theorist, and he puts out a book, saying that this thing was planned from day one, this Iraqi
	invasion.
	Now I'm going to tell you what we do as trend forecasters.
	Where did we find the story? On page 11 of the New York Times.
	There wasn't even a front page story.
	Well, as careful observers of history, do you think that history would support such a scenario?
	That we have done this sort of thing before, therefore, you're not surprised and you tend to believe this?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Oh, I do.
	You do?
	Again, you know, all I can say is by going by what the... Let's start with... Let's start with the... There was another report that came out, Carnegie Endowment.
	For peace, they came out with a report, I believe it was January 8th, saying that this whole thing had been exaggerated, that they systematically misrepresented the facts.
	So here we have Secretary of State Colin Powell coming out and saying that, oh, there is no link between Saddam Hussein And Al-Qaeda.
	Now this is the same Colin Powell who on February 5th said to the United Nations Security Council that intelligence data showed a sinister nexus existed.
	And there was a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda terrorist network.
	I remember he called them a classic terrorist organization With their modern methods of murder.
	Well, those are words.
	A sinister... So this is what he said to Adam.
	Sinister nexus.
	Now that's not exactly the same as someone going to the UN and unveiling photographs of intercontinental ballistic missiles in place in Cuba.
	Right.
	So now he comes out afterwards and he said that, you know, that, well, you know, maybe There wasn't the weapons of mass destruction, but we thought there was.
	Here's his quote, the President decided to act, this is how he's speaking now, because he believed that whatever the size of the stockpile, whatever one might think about it, he believed that the region was in danger.
	America was in danger and he would act.
	Now that's a lot different than what he said At the United Nations.
	At the United Nations, you know, he's claiming that there was chemical and biological weapons.
	Alright, the weapons of mass destruction aside for a moment, do you believe it was in America's interests, whatever they would be, economic whatever, to invade Iraq?
	Well, I believe that there were people that believed it were economic interests, because what is Iraq?
	Sitting on the second largest oil supply in the world?
	There is that, and of course it's a strategic location, and it's right in the middle of the Middle East.
	Strategic location, and I always give the example that really, you know, morals have very little to do with fighting wars.
	If everybody was so morally outraged, you go back to the mid-1990s, when what was it?
	800,000, like that is like almost a million.
	Rwandans were slaughtered in a month.
	They sure were.
	But hey, number one, there's nothing there that we need, and number two, they're black.
	Go to Indonesia.
	When the dictator Suharto was ruling it, he slaughtered over 300,000 East Timorese.
	I think George Bush called them Timoreans.
	Even if I try to be the devil's advocate, if I try to be, I don't have anything good to respond to that with.
	I mean, you're dead.
	Right.
	If morality was the reason, then we could have invaded Cambodia, for example, when the killing fields were underway.
	That should have certainly motivated us, right?
	Cambodia?
	How about right now, the Ivory Coast, Congo?
	One end to Africa, go to the other.
	So then we had economic strategic reasons.
	What do you think was the main real reason that we invaded Iraq?
	I don't know the real main reason, but I would have to say that probably there's the, as a lot of analysts would say, that it was the Bush factor, you know, getting even.
	Yeah, I've heard about that.
	well there's usually a reason for yeah
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	I am Art Bell, and here we are once again, meeting in the night time.
	Been a lot of years.
	Alright.
	I think it would be worth asking so that we know if it is to be known.
	A lot of very strong opinions here.
	Gerald, can we ask about your politics?
	Are you a liberal, a conservative, a Democrat, Republican?
	Where do you fit into the political spectrum?
	I'm a political atheist.
	I look at issues and events not the way I want them to be.
	But what they are.
	I don't say what's right or wrong, or good or bad.
	Alright.
	It's like going to a doctor.
	He gives you a diagnosis, and it doesn't make him an optimist or a pessimist, you know, left-wing or right-wing, if this is what it is.
	You're a political atheist.
	And I just look at it for what it is.
	An atheist, huh?
	A political atheist.
	Okay.
	Let's say that this horrific act occurs, with a great likelihood, a dirty bomb, Biological attack, whatever.
	Under those circumstances, the American public, I presume, would scream for blood.
	And whoever would be the American president would have to cough some up.
	And so, what do you think the United States would, I mean, if something, the magnitude of a city being destroyed with tens, hundreds of thousands, perhaps, dead or something like that, How do you envision the U.S.
	responding to something like that?
	Well, first of all, on the home front, you'd probably see a reinstituting of the draft.
	It would happen overnight and with the support of the people.
	That'd be something.
	And secondly, when something like this does happen, this is really important to remember with the wild card scenario again, It takes the economy from a moderately growing and half-stagnated economy probably into a severe recession.
	We have to look at what 9-11 did to the economy and what it took to get the United States back on its feet.
	That's the low interest rates for how many years now, 45-year lows.
	They've been ratcheting them down continually.
	And the economy is just beginning to respond.
	Just beginning to respond.
	And then you're going to start seeing a guerrilla war, because who the hell do you attack?
	You know, and this is what, you know, we were writing back in 1993 when we started talking about this stuff.
	It's not like the old days, you know, where the armies meet each other out in the middle of the battlefield or on the high seas.
	No, it's not that way anymore.
	But a president would have to do something, and already you were In Afghanistan, doing what we can, right?
	And, you know, we're in Iraq, and actually we're spread pretty thin as it is right now.
	So that would, in a way, force the President's hand towards something perhaps more dire.
	You know, the use of, if we could figure out who it was, the use of some sort of weapon that says, Don't do that again.
	Well, again, but who do you aim it at?
	You have all these, you know, these axes of evil countries, which are basically, you know, third world countries.
	These are little nothing countries.
	We're going to hit the Sudan, Libya, you know, Iran.
	You mess with Iran, that's a tough one.
	You're messing with the wrong people there.
	You know, this isn't a, this is a very proud civilization, the Persians, and they'll probably retaliate at some level.
	They're very educated people.
	You know, this isn't an Iraq.
	And remember, this is a country that fought Iraq, with Iraq having the strong support of the United States back in the 80s.
	So you wouldn't care to go out on a... I wouldn't mess with them.
	Yeah, you wouldn't go out on a limb and predict what the U.S.
	would do, or might do.
	Well, no, but I do know that the United States is also being chastised for its low-level nuclear bombs that they're developing.
	To use preemptorily against someone like a Libya or another country that is in their realm of the axis of evil.
	Now Libya recently threw up its hands and said... I know that, but they're still not granting them the kind of trade, negotiated trade pacts that bring them back into the sphere.
	So the United States really isn't giving in.
	The rest of the world is.
	But they're going to have somebody out there that they're going to pick on, there's no question.
	But it's not going to solve the problem, and that's the bottom line.
	And then of course there is the other really scary part of what's happening right now is because of all these real dangers that we're talking about right now, our liberties and freedoms are shrinking at an alarming rate.
	And it is.
	It is happening.
	You can, I think, make an argument for why it's happening, but it is happening.
	And that's very concerning.
	It is happening, and actually, in one of my books, Trends 2000, which I wrote in 95, I pointed out how under President Clinton, they had an anti-terrorism bill that was being shot down by Congress I remember articles, I put them in the book, from USA Today, you know, blasting the President for taking away our Fourth Amendment rights.
	How far, Gerald, do you believe it can go?
	Well, it could go to the point where there's martial law in this country.
	Martial law?
	Yes.
	And that would be another implication, by the way, of a A terrorist attack.
	A large event.
	Do you want to tell people what it would be like living under martial law?
	Most people today don't know.
	Well, it would be that you wouldn't have a radio show.
	Let's start with that.
	Well, I could go anyway.
	Yeah, but I mean, you won't be able to speak out against anything.
	It's difficult enough now.
	Yes.
	Because you just go back to the Iraq War.
	And again, these are facts.
	Every major media station, every newspaper, it was all pro-go to war.
	And anybody that talked out against it, you were labeled anti-American.
	So it would become much worse than that.
	Every movement, every step you take, every breath you make, they'll be watching you.
	And you better not cross over the line.
	Every breath you take, yes.
	And you think that the American people will willingly, if not grudgingly, accept this newer way of life, Big Brother?
	Well, that's what I was getting to also at the beginning of the show when I talked about the New Year's celebrations, you know, and how people have now, you know, they call it a celebration, like in Times Square, Being frisked, going through metal detectors, not being able to carry a backpack or have a celebratory drink on the streets, they call that fun.
	You look at the latest poll that just came out today, the New York Times CBS News poll, where the people are very satisfied with President Bush's anti-terrorism Here's the thing, though, Gerald.
	I'm not sure I'm... I'm not sure I'm dissatisfied with what he's done.
	In other words, I'm certainly not happy with what we now have to do, but I don't see that the President, or Gerald, or Art as President, would have any other choice to make, either.
	Exactly.
	And so what we're looking at, or what's going on, the people are not going to fight against it.
	It's a demoralized society in a lot of ways, also, as we look at it.
	This is a country, there's no passion for rights.
	You mentioned, you can go over the list of things that have happened.
	I was mentioning earlier about, under President Clinton, what pushed the bill through, that they couldn't get through, was the Oklahoma City bombing.
	And bam, all of a sudden this new bill came.
	And then we saw the Patriotism Act, the Patriot Act, and all the rights that were taken away.
	You have another one and they take more rights away.
	But this is, again, and it's not whether you're going to say right or wrong, good or bad, this is what's going to happen.
	I guess I was asking how, so honestly, you really think down to everything we say being monitored, everything we do being monitored, It's going to really get there.
	Oh, yeah.
	It will be Orwellian, far beyond what he could have even imagined because of the technological advances that George Orwell only had a gleaming of.
	That's true.
	And that's what it will become.
	And the people will be very, very satisfied with it because here's really the bottom line.
	There's no stopping terrorism.
	Look, they just passed an immigration bill that's allowing people to flow over the borders in huge amounts.
	You have tens of thousands of miles of borders to be crossed.
	One of the things that we wrote about in Trends 2000, and this is going back to the fall of the Soviet Empire, was how all of these weapons of mass destruction, all of these suitcase nuclear bombs, That we're now available on the black market.
	And this isn't, you know, fabricating this stuff.
	These are stories coming over the wire.
	But Gerald, is it not odd that, as of yet, the United States is not experiencing the suicide bomber?
	Now, the suicide bomber is a daily tool in the Mideast.
	A daily tool.
	And surely, much easier than getting in a dirty radiation bomb, or even biologicals, Somebody straps a bunch of explosives on, goes into a department store and pushes a button.
	Boom!
	Instant terrorism.
	The fact that we haven't had that yet, to me, is astounding.
	It's astounding to me as well.
	But you only need one of these incidents every couple of years to do very major damage.
	And again, let's remember the words of the government going back to the New Year.
	They were the ones that are saying, watch out, there's a possibility of something happening equal to or greater than 9-11.
	Yes.
	I know.
	It's not if, it's when.
	Well, I'm just sort of offering up, I guess, a week Offensive statement for those who are trying to protect us.
	I mean, maybe they're doing their job.
	Maybe the CIA and FBI and the rest of it have caught.
	After all, you don't get to hear about the good stuff they've done.
	I think you would.
	Because look how many false arrests there have been that they've trumped up to be big things.
	I don't think that at all.
	I think if they had uncovered a plot, boy, this thing would be in the news over and over again.
	Hey, we're on the job.
	Look what we've done.
	Yeah, there is that, I suppose.
	Well, you see us then as vulnerable, open, and the attack will occur at a time and place of their choosing.
	Yeah, it's not going to be on a holiday, you know, when everybody's on high alert, and that's like trying to rob a bank, and they say, look, we expect a bank robbery tomorrow morning, you know, flood the bank with security staff.
	You're not going to rob the bank.
	You're not going to do it on Memorial Day.
	Every Fourth of July Memorial Day, they're going to blow up the Statue of Liberty.
	What would happen in the case, Gerald, of a very large attack, the economic consequences?
	The economic consequences are enormous.
	Just look what happened.
	Just look what happened when a couple of grams of anthrax were put through the postal system.
	Yes.
	Look at the havoc it wrecked.
	Yes.
	It did.
	Look at the terrorism industry in this country has not rebounded.
	Look what happened to the airline industry.
	This is serious stuff.
	In fact, the terrorists are winning in a lot of ways.
	Look what happens now during the holidays.
	I don't want to go out on New Year's Eve.
	I want to stay home.
	The fear factor is running high.
	And it's economic fear as well.
	And this is what people don't understand when they hear about anti-Americanism.
	We're in business.
	We're a business group over here.
	We're not trying to change the world.
	We tell our clients, listen, this anti-Americanism isn't about geopolitical stuff.
	They're not going to buy your product, man.
	They don't want anything to do with it.
	All these licensed products, the kids don't want them overseas.
	They don't want them in Europe.
	And Americans, by the way, only 12% of them have passports.
	They still think it's the end of World War II, and they're looking for nylon stockings and Hershey bars over there in Europe.
	They have no idea of the quality of life and the high standard of living.
	It is quite shockingly good, actually.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I've traveled pretty extensively in Europe.
	You know what it's like!
	That's right.
	It's quite good.
	So when they hear about anti-Americanism, these aren't a bunch of yokels out there that don't know what's going on.
	They're not going to buy your product.
	And the business of America is business.
	So when you talk about terrorism, it has more implications than, hey, they don't like us because of our presence and our policy.
	It's not about that.
	And if we have a terrorist whack in this country, as I said, this economy goes into a free fall.
	Well, I want to call it a jobless recovery.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Let's come back to this economy for a second.
	They are calling it a jobless recovery.
	Now, I think most recoveries historically are fairly jobless in the early stages.
	If we don't have anything happen and the economy continues to improve, then no doubt they will begin to pick up jobs at some point, I would imagine, wouldn't you?
	No, not in this economy.
	That's why it's different.
	There's a new formula, an economic formula in play that we've developed that really makes things very clear as
	to why jobs will not increase to any significant level and why the standard of living for
	about 80% of the American public will continue to decline.
	It's called the 5-0 formula.
	The first one to remember is that when you talk about a recession or a depression, they
	say it's a fundamental imbalance between productive capacity and purchasing power, which brings
	me to the first O, and that's overcapacity.
	If you go back to the late 1990s when that big dot-com charade was going on, everybody
	was ramping up, building more because of this booming economy.
	Then there's overproduction.
	There are more shirts, shoes, cameras and computers out there than you could ever use
	up.
	Go back again.
	Current events form future trends.
	Go back to Christmas time.
	When I was a kid growing up, after Christmas, you'd go into a department store and the shelves
	were bare.
	Now there's so much product that's falling on the floors.
	The next one is overpopulation.
	What does that have to do with it?
	Well, you go from the time of zero, whenever you think zero happened, and go to 1920.
	It took all that time to put two billion people on the planet.
	From 1920 to now, we've added four billion more people.
	Fairly sobering, yes.
	And, by the way, you know the people say you need a good war to thin out the population?
	We had two buttes in the 20th century, and it did nothing.
	Which brings me to the fourth O.
	To tie it all together, itís called open markets.
	Now with NAFTA, World Trade Organization, all these treaties, you could produce anything
	anyplace.
	With overpopulation, you have an infinite supply of cheap labor.
	Now as we know, itís not only the blue-collar jobs that have gone, itís the white-collar
	jobs and the data processing jobs and on and on that are going to India and countries around
	You know, it's really interesting.
	You've heard example in the computer world.
	Now, if you have a problem and you call up, you know, tech support, right?
	It's the doggone thing.
	About halfway through the conversation, you'll detect an accent.
	You'll say, where are you from?
	Right.
	India.
	Oh, OK.
	How long have you been here?
	Well, I'm not here.
	Where are you?
	Oh, I'm in India.
	What?
	What?
	You're in India?
	So even tech support jobs, it seems, are going overseas.
	That's right.
	And this is open markets again.
	So mostly it's good, bad, right, wrong, indifferent.
	It's not the issue.
	These are the facts.
	And the telecommunications world has opened up.
	So now it's so cheap that it's cheaper to pay someone in India to answer questions about your Windows problem And you're talking to the other side of the world!
	It's cheaper to have that guy over there doing it!
	And how many people do they have?
	They've got over a billion people!
	They don't need to get a little job.
	The fifth, though, is online.
	25% of the world's gross product comes from raw material processing and manufacturing.
	because of computer efficiencies, B2B efficiencies, that's driven down profits
	and has increased productivity remarkably.
	So when you put all these five Os together, overcapacity, overproduction, overpopulation,
	open market and online, you have a United States of America
	with a standard of living, you're not gonna find a better job
	the one you had before. Your benefits and wages are going to decline.
	Hold it right there.
	That's a cheery little note where we can stop and pick up.
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	Once again from the wilds of New York, here's Gerald Celente.
	Alright, Gerald, so you were saying that you might as well, U.S.
	workers, get used to less and less Because that's what's coming.
	Less and less.
	Less salary, less benefits, less everything.
	And that's the future.
	That's right.
	And it's not going to change, probably for generations, if it changes at all.
	And we're also saying that in 2004, the economy is going to look pretty much what it looks like now.
	And you go back again to 1992, When George Bush Senior was running and they said, you know, it was the economy, stupid.
	So the Democrats said, it'll be that again.
	And, um, but again, that's an, of course, in the absence of a wild card, you know, we see it staying pretty much the same, but we're looking actually, we're calling it the Great Recession.
	No, but you're saying there's a 90% chance there's going to be a wild card.
	Right.
	There's going to be a wild card.
	We're saying that by 2006.
	We're going to enter into a long, we're going to call it a great recession, a 10-year period
	if not longer of a declining economic standard.
	Look what they're doing now.
	They call this another thing besides a jobless recovery.
	They call it a profits recession.
	No kidding, aren't they all?
	Again, current events form future trends.
	Look at the hype we heard about what a great retail Christmas this was going to be.
	Yes, and to some degree, I don't know, I heard mixed reviews.
	Mixed reviews, but you know where there was the greatest growth?
	Where?
	The luxury items.
	Because it goes back to exactly what I was talking about before.
	You have a loss of jobs for the working class.
	The only growth is on the upper end.
	You have 1% of the population owning 40% of all the assets.
	The higher end is going to do very well.
	So if you're in the business of providing, actually about 20% of the population is going to step up to quality.
	Actually, a good question for you, maybe an opportunity for you to give a positive kind of answer would be, If you were going into the job market now or in the next five years, what kind of career field would you think would be a good one to be in, in the kind of times you're describing?
	If you work for a drug company, antidepressants, auto repossessing, estate sale, auctions, I would say it's a time to become an entrepreneur.
	The areas of growth that we see, again, when I said 20% of the population is going to buy into luxury, and that's why we're calling it a recession, not a depression, is that You're talking 20% of 285 million people.
	The world's going to keep going around.
	Start looking more and more into the export markets and go global.
	Not what they call globalization, moving a factory to China and selling stuff back to the home country.
	No!
	Expand your horizons.
	We think, by the way, Argentina is going to be a great place for great opportunity.
	It's very European, and it's far enough, it's going to be far enough away from where there's going to be a lot of problems.
	Gerald, is it not an absolute irreversible trend that the United States would begin to take advantage of cheap labor where they find it?
	In Japan, and then in China, and then no doubt in the Philippines if it's stable enough, and maybe in Argentina.
	In other words, we're going to go all over the world, and we're going to do as business has always done.
	And that's to find cheap labor, whether it's our own citizens or the citizens of some other third world nation, and we're going to employ them, right?
	That's exactly it.
	And that's irreversible.
	Nothing's going to change it.
	People can demonstrate and throw stuff and get all angry up in Seattle and wherever else.
	It's not going to change it, is it?
	No.
	It's not going to change it.
	So what we're saying is understand what the playing field is going to look like.
	And by the way, where wasn't there growth in this Christmas?
	It was on the lower end.
	And they're all fighting each other for thin profit margins.
	Money is to be made on the upper end.
	So you're saying find out where the trends are, toward the luxury items, toward whatever, and jump on board and be part of it.
	That's what you're saying?
	Exactly.
	Then you have other things, current events.
	You pick something up, an article, farm-raised salmon for instance has a 10% higher amount
	of cancer-causing agents.
	Then you go back to luxury items.
	That 20% of the people are going to put more and more of their money where their mouth
	is, so we say more of the so-called clean foods.
	Get into those kind of markets.
	Clean foods.
	Describe what you mean by clean foods.
	Well, clean is more than just organic.
	It's not genetically modified.
	It's not irradiated.
	It's brought to market in the most sanitary conditions.
	And you're going to see more... There's going to be more mad cow... Again, current events form future trends.
	Yes.
	Do you think it's the end of the mad cow, you know, scares that are going to happen?
	I hope so.
	But I guess... You know, not with the...
	The type of practices that have happened in the country with the intensely grown and... Well, they've stopped killing down our cows for, you know, meat production.
	Isn't that wonderful?
	They're not going to feed us down to cows anymore.
	Boy, that's a step forward, huh?
	Well, I hope so.
	Gerald, I'm trying to get a little bit on the positive side of things here.
	I mean, could you imagine?
	You're worse than me.
	The damn thing can't walk anymore!
	And all of a sudden you're having infant death!
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, I understand.
	You don't need to subscribe to me.
	Can we make a video?
	Oh, we're not going to do that one anymore.
	Yeah, I know, okay.
	Look, I like it.
	You're talking to somebody who likes beef.
	So do I!
	Right.
	I'd rather have my head in the sand and die a twitching death.
	I don't know.
	What we're saying is that there's going to be a market for people, because we're going where the economics are going, that are not going to want to eat that meat.
	Give them another choice.
	And so we're going to see growth in those kind of areas, just like we saw growth in gourmet coffees and microbrews.
	You're going to start seeing more and more growth in higher quality products.
	The other thing too is the real estate market we think is going to stay good for a pretty long time because they're going to have to keep interest rates low.
	I mean, it's an easy equation.
	Interest rates go up, bam, the economy... So real estate's a good thing to be in.
	God is not making any more of it.
	That's right.
	So there you are.
	Real estate will always be a good place to be.
	And we're very bullish on gold and have been for now at Trends Journals since 19...
	I think 2001, that was our trend going forward.
	And sure enough, gold has been living up to its rep during this time, hasn't it?
	It's been going right on up.
	It's a simple equation.
	Cheap dollars, high gold.
	High interest rates, expensive dollars, cheap gold.
	Well, we'll come back to all of this in a moment.
	Let's jump to something light for a second.
	Maybe it's light, I don't know, maybe it's not.
	You do trend forecasting in the area of entertainment as well, right?
	Yes.
	Let's just sort of jump off the dire cliff for a second and ask about that.
	I think the current trends in Entertainment are fascinating to watch, and by that I mean, for example, reality TV.
	I'm kind of a reality TV nut.
	I do like a lot of it.
	I might even watch my stupid fat fiancé, whatever the hell it is, coming up.
	So, boy, I'll tell you, entertainment really has taken a right turn, a severe right turn, And where do you think it's going from here?
	I mean, already we're really a long way down an interesting road with what's going on right now.
	Keep them laughing.
	You know, this is, go back, we're looking again, we're forecasting a great recession.
	Go back to the Great Depression.
	We heard the happiest, hottest music that this nation has ever, ever witnessed.
	That's fact.
	and the people were out there, they were dressed to the nines.
	Again, current events form future trends.
	Pick up today's New York Times, the style section, how people are getting dressed up again.
	That suits and smart wear are back.
	Look at who the hits are.
	You never would have thought someone like a Nora Jones, all of a sudden she's being played
	on the alternative radio stations.
	People are looking for a great time, a rebirth of really hot, happy music.
	You're also going to see people are going to want to go out and they're going to want to drown their woes.
	That, you know, that'd almost be worth it.
	I mean, the hard time to get some decent music again, because it's been around a pretty ugly band here.
	Well, I tell you, I put my money where my mouth is.
	I didn't tell you this.
	But I'm also opening up a restaurant and a nightclub.
	Oh, you are?
	Yes, and I'm putting together a ten-piece house band.
	My last book, you might remember, was called What Zizzi Gave Honey Boy.
	That's the Neapolitan dialect for auntie.
	She's my 88-year-old aunt.
	So you think this is what's going to be hot, obviously, because that's where you're putting your money.
	Right.
	So I'm putting together the Club Dizzy Band, and I'm opening a place called Dizzy.
	And I'm looking to take a piece of the music industry that they're not going for, because I see what's going on.
	I look at the numbers.
	You know who's buying most of the CDs?
	People over 35 years old.
	That's a fact.
	The younger people are pirating them.
	So now you know that the over 30 market are the ones that are buying CDs.
	They donít have the time to pirate.
	A lot of people donít have the technical skills to do so.
	So now you know you have a $30 billion marketplace there.
	Why not feed that marketplace with product?
	And thatís what I talk about being an entrepreneur, looking at the trends and taking advantage
	of them.
	Where do you see that going?
	This is a tough one because there are studies coming out, Nielsen and others, showing that
	there's a decline in viewership among key demographic audiences, that so-called 18 to
	35.
	You mean across the board?
	No, the 18 to 35.
	No, no, no, across the board in terms of just turning off the TV?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	In that age group, yeah, because now they have other things that are entertaining them, like the Internet, big time.
	They're watching shows on the Internet.
	How deeply do you think the Internet has cut into TV viewers?
	I think it's taken a big chunk because there's also the whole gaming phenomenon.
	And you know, you look at these things as TV, you could also draw a parallel to what I just talked about with CDs.
	So now you're gonna have an older demographic watching more and more TV.
	So you're gonna start seeing programming going more toward that as well.
	Interesting.
	What about this reality TV trend?
	Well, it's gonna keep going!
	You know, it's fascinating.
	It's titillating.
	It is.
	And you wonder how far they can go.
	I mean, already they're going, I guess, sort of over the line every now and then, right now.
	So how far can they go with it?
	Or is it going to turn into, oh, I don't know, like the quiz shows, some giant scandal will suddenly end it all?
	But this is just the beginning of it.
	When you look at it, what is it really?
	What, two years old?
	Right.
	What about the entertainment industry in terms of a job market?
	Is it a good one?
	Is it going to shrink?
	into anything. And it probably will. What about the entertainment industry in
	terms of a job market? Is it a good one? Is it going to shrink? The industry itself is
	deadly. These aren't the sharpest pencils in the pack.
	I'm talking to you about the over-30 market buying CDs.
	So how does the music industry respond?
	Rod Stewart sings All Standards.
	Oh great!
	Let's bring Barbara Streisand back.
	Bette Midler sings Rosemary Clooney.
	Give me a break!
	You know, how about something fresh and new?
	Well, for that, according to you, we're going to need the Great Recession.
	Well, and again, that's what I'm doing myself.
	And this band that I'm putting together, this ten-piece band, I'm using all young talent.
	You know, I'm using kids, you know, between the ages of a kid, you know, when you get in your mid-fifties, you get kids in their twenties.
	Well, as I said, if all this turns music around, maybe it'd be almost worth it.
	I agree.
	You know, it's gonna happen.
	They're dying for entertainment, they're dying for a good time, only the people that really
	have their heads buried in the sand don't know how bad it is.
	Look, look at the people, look again at the latest polls, what if 45% of the people are
	worried about having jobs or losing them?
	You know, these are real numbers.
	When people are working like crazy, they're working harder, they're earning less.
	You know, I talked about how different it is in Europe than here.
	We're working nine full work weeks longer than the Europeans.
	That's true.
	We're not number one.
	We're number 37th in healthcare, according to the World Health Organization.
	We're number 14th when it comes to longevity.
	That's a big one.
	I want to be number one with longevity.
	You know, people know how bad things are and they want to be entertained.
	Alright, Jesse from South Shore, Kentucky writes, I don't think people give in to martial law, referring to something you said earlier.
	People in this country will only take so much of this and then there'll be a major rebellion.
	If this happens, I'll for sure be listening to Coast to Coast AM from Canada.
	You think so?
	You see what happens with every conflict.
	Go back to the Kosovo-Serbian War.
	As soon as they say it's a threat to America, boom, let's go!
	And you see the numbers.
	And it's not only America, but they do it in all the countries.
	You can watch the people off the war just strike up the band.
	People go for it, particularly because people are so out of touch with the details of what's going on.
	They buy into the soundbites, and you saw every major media network fold with this war.
	Nobody, nobody stood up and had a debate.
	Once it was ready to go to war, let's support the troops.
	Well, yes.
	That's pretty traditional.
	If there's a big whack that happens in this country, You know, you keep saying draft.
	That's an interesting concept.
	A lot of psychology has changed since we last had the draft.
	I mean, there was enough trouble last time we had the draft.
	tells us a story. Look at all the anti-war during World War II.
	No, no, no. You keep saying draft. That's an interesting concept. A lot of psychology
	has changed since we last had the draft. I mean, there was enough trouble last time we
	had the draft. I was there. I can't even imagine the response to a draft under current world
	conditions with the people psychologically set up the way they are right now.
	The rebellion in such a move would be pretty awesome.
	Okay, let's do this one.
	Let's say there's a terrorist strike in Los Angeles, and it takes out a third of the population.
	As I was mentioning, go back to World War II, the big anti-war movement prior to Pearl Harbor.
	This country was not going to war.
	When Pearl Harbor was bombed, sign me up.
	So you think the draft would be embraced?
	Oh yeah.
	And then we'd get all these people into the armed forces and who would we go attack?
	You know, that's a problem you brought up yourself.
	I mean, if a bomb goes off and we can't identify who, what nation state was behind it, what can we do?
	That doesn't matter.
	You're looking rational now.
	Yes, but what are we going to do with all these people that we draft?
	You know, you think that this problem in Iraq, for instance, is going to be solved with the amount of troops that you have there?
	And let's just do the numbers.
	What do you have about, when you get down to it, about 60,000 personnel that are really militarily equipped?
	Actually, we just cut the number back quite severely, I believe.
	Look, we're at the bottom of the arrow.
	Hold on for a moment.
	I think I heard that we just cut the number by...
	I don't know, 25 or 30 percent or something like that in Iraq.
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	It should go along with tonight's program quite well.
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	A lot A lot of people find motivational products demeaning, says the despair founder.
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	With a teamwork entry on the Demotivational 2004 calendar, there's a picture of a rolling snowball with the phrase, quote, A few harmless flakes working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction.
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	It also offers advice to managers that the best way to resolve morale problems is to
	fire all the unhappy people.
	Once again, that eternal optimist, Gerald Celente.
	Gerald, welcome back.
	What do you think?
	Despair, Inc.
	Now, there's an example of the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that you were talking about, right?
	Well, that was fun.
	Yeah, you know, why not?
	These motivational speakers drive me up a wall, I've got to tell you.
	You know what a bunch of baloney most of it is.
	So, let's see.
	Real estate looks good to you.
	Gold looks good to you.
	I like a lot of the moving items again and understanding where your market is and where the profits are.
	exactly the kind of business you're about to spawn. That's right and I also like a lot of the
	moving items again and understanding where your market is and where the profits are.
	Start making more and more products available to the 20 percent,
	about 20 to 25 percent of the nation that's going to have money.
	Well, there's no way I cannot ask you about politics.
	Gee, the Iowa caucuses later today, most time zones, in Election 2004.
	So, give me what you've got.
	What do you think?
	Well, we think, unless there's a wild card, it's George Bush in 2004.
	Again, the economy is not going to be doing that bad.
	Because the incumbents are going to do everything they can to keep it purring along as it is now.
	And with interest rates as low as they are, you know, it's going to be good for big ticket items like real estate, automobiles, and, you know, things will go along just fine.
	And the Democrats don't have a candidate that has much charisma nor a plan, an economic plan, that is vastly much different.
	So we see him winning and we're putting our own money on him.
	And again, we're political atheists.
	This is how we see it.
	I don't like the guy.
	I don't care who likes what.
	You really are that way.
	I mean, you really aren't.
	Look, I got over this stuff a long time ago.
	It would eat me up if I became emotionally involved in this stuff.
	Because, you know, people will take any little thing you say That appears to be against what they believe politically, and all of a sudden you're an idiot, and a dummy, and a danger... Exactly!
	People hold on to their ideologies!
	Yeah, yeah, very strongly.
	So, that's why I keep coming back to, you're really not, you are really apolitical, you're not... You know, I say, I always, when I do lectures, I say, you know, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm blessed to be living in the United States, but I consider myself a citizen of the world.
	I say that over and over.
	Well, I have done a lot of travel, as you mentioned earlier, and there are people in Europe that have perceptibly a better lifestyle than we do, not as much crime to live with by long shot, and, you know, people in the United States, you tend to think of Europe in a very different way than the way it really is, and that applies to a lot of the world, but then again, there's also a true third world out there, and I'm sure you're quite well aware of that.
	I am, and also as a trend analyst, when I look at the United States, this is also a first, second, and third world nation wrapped into one.
	And I'm always very clear with clients that are selling product or want to market product.
	What about people that have left the U.S.?
	Here's somebody asking, all the way from Moscow.
	Um, what your opinion is on the growing number of American expatriates.
	Uh, anybody who's been overseas has met up with a lot of fellow Americans.
	Many Americans that have just said, heh, that's it.
	I'm leaving.
	I'm going to, uh, wherever.
	You know, and they take up residence overseas and leave.
	You don't even have to go overseas.
	Just go down to Mexico.
	Well, yeah.
	Look at all the expats down there.
	By the way, when you're talking about Europe, let's look again at what's really going on economically and why we're saying there's going to be a great recession coming up.
	Two years ago, when I was in Europe, it cost me 86 cents to buy one euro.
	What does it cost today?
	About $1.25 to buy one euro.
	I wouldn't have thought this would have happened.
	Matter of fact, we didn't forecast it.
	We had no idea that they would bring interest rates down to 45-year lows.
	Again, cheap dollars equals high gold.
	As a matter of fact, there's a story that just moved over the wire a little while ago.
	The former Prime Minister or President of Malaysia had issued a statement saying that the Saudis and OPEC Should peg their price of the oil, this is big news, to gold, not dollars.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	That is, ooh, that really is big news.
	Wow.
	Do you think that'll make any of the newspapers or broadcast media tomorrow?
	I would think it would have, well, hmm.
	No, you won't even find it on the back page.
	The President of Malaysia.
	I bet it would make it in the Financial Times, maybe.
	Maybe the Financial Times, but not in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, not on any of the broadcast media.
	When we're looking at what's going on... Could it come to that?
	Excuse me?
	Could it come to that?
	Yes.
	It could.
	Will it?
	I don't know.
	But yes, it could if there is A big enough fallout.
	Look, the only reason gold prices pulled back from their $430 high that they just hit recently is the G7 and the European Union are scrambling to prop up the dollar.
	You know, you go back, I've been following gold by the way, this is how I got into business, since the mid-1970s when Jimmy Carter was president.
	I used to be a lobbyist down in Washington, and I was following the Iran, you know, I mean, I knew the history of Iran, you know, how they had the Savic, the secret police, and the Shah, you know, what a miserable cat this guy was.
	You were a, wait a minute, you were a lobbyist.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I can see you in that, in that position.
	Oh, I hate you.
	I don't want to make you a cynical boy.
	Well, this is when I became a, this is when I became a political atheist.
	I see.
	I'm serious.
	What happened was Jimmy Carter comes back from spending New Year's Eve with the Shah and his wife.
	Yes.
	He and Roslyn went there, and I'm watching this thing unfolding, and there's millions of people taking to the streets.
	Remember, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran back in 1953, and they hated this guy.
	So, the demonstrations are going on, Jimmy Carnick steps out, you know, remember the helicopters used to show us, you know, the helicopter land on the White House lawn, and I'd come out and walk up to the microphone, and he said, that the Shah was the island of stability in the Middle
	East.
	I said, and I get bleeped off the air if I said what I said out loud to myself, and then
	I said, ìWhat does this mean?î I know theyíre lying, but what does it mean?
	And I started investing in gold futures.
	I bought my first one at $187.50 an ounce.
	And I wrote it, by the way, all the way up.
	I bought it the last day, too, when it hit $875.
	Yeah.
	You actually sold at that point?
	Excuse me?
	You actually sold at that point?
	No, no.
	I bought more, even, at that level.
	Oh, you bought more, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, I was a young kid.
	I didn't know what the hell I was doing.
	Well, at least, though, you do put your money where your mouth is.
	That's good.
	But I made money, and when the dust settled, I made a lot of money.
	And so I've been watching gold continually on a daily basis since the 1970s.
	And now the reason I'm telling you that is when the Iraq War broke out and it became very apparent that the United States was going to win, gold prices went from $3.70 down to the $3.20 mark.
	That's right, yes.
	And within a very short time after that, Boom, they shot right back up to $370, passed $370 into $400.
	This is strength, and it's based on the weakness of the dollar.
	Now, you throw in all the geopolitical instability, the reality that terrorism could strike at any time, something happens.
	I think anybody that doesn't own gold is really making a mistake.
	It's a financial mistake.
	We're advising people to put at least Fifteen to twenty percent of their portfolio in gold.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	In what form?
	Coins, bullion, and in the future is what?
	Well, you know, doing futures, I have to tell you, I made a lot of money.
	It was very miserable.
	It's not fun to do.
	No, it's a gutsy thing to do.
	Yeah, and I would never do that.
	What I do now, and I don't believe... Well, you did do that.
	Excuse me?
	You did do that.
	Oh yeah, I played the futures market big time.
	And I don't believe... But you're not advising that?
	No, not at all.
	And I don't advise buying stocks and companies.
	Because I don't believe a damn thing they say.
	And so I like the real thing.
	And if there is another... I'm going to tell you, when people ask me, what did I do at 9-11?
	I'll tell you what I did when 9-11 happened.
	Because, as you know from my writings, I wrote in Trends 2000, you're waking up in the new millennium, and terrorism is pandemic.
	I mean, it didn't surprise me one bit, only the type of... Oh, USA Today story!
	December 14th, 2000, and one of our top ten trends, and for the year of 2001, December 14th, 2000, 2001 will not be our year, Trends here says.
	And I went on to say that a wave of anti-Americanism would sweep the globe, And Americans wouldn't be safe at home or abroad.
	So, when 9-11 happened, I wasn't surprised.
	The first thing I did was I called up, I had all my money for the business, we had a lot of money in the money markets.
	So I called up, I said, you know, wire transfer it to our bank over here, boom.
	Sorry, we can't do that.
	What do you mean, can't do that?
	The markets are closed.
	I think I know him, no?
	Wall Street.
	Wester the Rockies call toll free 1-800-618-8255.
	I can't get the money out.
	So then what I did is I then went to the bank, got the money out of the bank, and transferred more of that money into gold coins.
	Because I'm watching these things.
	that brought on that work.
	So then what I did is I then went to the bank, got the money out of the bank and transferred
	more of that money into gold coins.
	Because I'm watching these things, I'm an hour and 45 minutes north of New York City.
	This is like a bomb shelter for New York City.
	Right, but Joel, you know, if things got so bad that you could only safely trade in gold and money wasn't worth anything, if it got to that point... I'm out of here!
	I'm going north up to Canada!
	It would be a Mad Max scenario by then anyway, wouldn't it?
	Well, again, I'm telling you what I'm doing.
	So I'm saying now I'm packing, I'm filling my cars up with gas, Getting gas for the generator in my house, and I'm ready to go to Canada to get if this thing keeps escalating, because I don't know if they're going to blow up the Indian Point nuclear power plant.
	I'm watching these buildings collapse.
	So right after 9-11, you were ready to leave the country?
	I was ready to go.
	I was ready to leave the country.
	If there was more bedlam and mayhem in New York City, they're going to be coming up to here.
	And so under those conditions, you're saying that your money market fund or whatever else you've got, you can't get anyway.
	You can't get it.
	See, I advise gold coins in this time of real instability.
	I'm not making this stuff up.
	I mean, we know these things collapse in front of our eyes.
	Oh, I forgot they whacked the Pentagon.
	That's another thing is trend forecasters.
	That story, there was no footage shown of the Pentagon Less than five days after 9-11.
	It was strange.
	Yeah, it really was strange.
	And so I say to myself, I'm gonna mess with these guys?
	These guys are for real!
	I mean, they're not just... They whacked the Pentagon General Headquarters!
	Yep.
	So anyway, that's how I look at things.
	And that's why when I say I'm a political atheist.
	You know, did things happen?
	Okay, what do I do next?
	In those kind of conditions, though, as I say, you're right up at a Mad Max point anyway, so I guess you better also have guns.
	Exactly.
	I'm not opposed to that stuff.
	Look, I also teach close combat martial arts.
	I've been in it for over 20 years.
	That's it.
	All in all, you have forecast an awfully, awfully bleak... I mean, wouldn't you have rather been a trends guy right after the Second World War when you could have said, hey, you know, things are gonna get great!
	There's gonna be jobs and industrial revolution!
	And, you know, said that kind of stuff instead of what you're saying today.
	Yeah, I would have, after World War II, hey, the whole world needs to be rebuilt.
	We're in great shape to do it.
	Things are gonna really rock out.
	Let's go!
	You don't feel that way?
	No!
	This is the end of the Empire of America!
	The handwriting's on the wall!
	And again, it's a choice.
	This is where the country's going.
	That's very sad to hear.
	I know it is.
	It doesn't make me happy.
	You know, I stopped writing for a while because, you know, it becomes very overwhelming.
	What do you think, trend-wise, is going to be The next empire.
	If this is the beginning of the end, or the end in progress of America as an empire, then what is to be the next empire?
	Is it going to be China?
	I don't think so.
	China has a billion and a half people and a million problems.
	And China's going to be a good place.
	China's going to be... I think China's going to end up being one of our worst nightmares.
	Because when world markets start drying up, they're going to be very restive.
	As I was mentioning to you earlier, I think Argentina and that kind of place is going to be a good place to go to, because I also envision that there are going to be a lot of bigger-than-dirty bombs, I think like suitcase-sized nuclear bombs.
	Really?
	I really do, and they're on the black market.
	They've been bought.
	When the Soviet Empire collapsed, It was selling these things all over the place.
	The trend of Americans moving from cities to smaller towns, very well underway right now?
	Very well underway, and it's going to continue, but there's also going to be good opportunities, we believe, in urban areas, particularly in the moderate, mid-size areas, because of the wave of immigration.
	Now the immigrant workforce is going to be able to come into the country They're going to need places to be.
	So you're going to have two things again.
	By the way, Art, these are facts.
	The gap between the rich and the poor is the widest in the United States than any of the industrialized nations.
	What do trends tell you about where the breaking point is in that gap?
	I don't see a breaking point.
	I look at Americans being a very demoralized society.
	And I'll give you an example.
	Go back to the Great Depression.
	You had people that were willing to walk out, go on strike, and fight for their rights, knowing that they might not have a job.
	That's right.
	Rather than be, you know, lose their dignity.
	Now you have a situation where people will take all kinds of abuse.
	You know, I have a lot of debt.
	Yeah, they do have a lot of debt.
	You know what kind of debt they have?
	They have a country, this country, Which includes credit cards and car loans, but not mortgages.
	It's almost $19,000.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Gerald.
	Gerald Zalente is my guest.
	A real positive kind of guy.
	I'll tell you what.
	When we come back, we'll open up the lines.
	It should be a pure joy to hear you with Gerald.
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	I'm about to put you on the telephone line with Gerald Cilenti, the eternal optimist.
	He's a trend guy.
	and worldwide on the internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Right here in the middle of the night, which is exactly where we belong.
	I'm about to put you on the telephone line with Gerald Cilenti, the eternal optimist.
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	Almost your turn with Gerald Cilenti.
	But first, there is one more item on the list of things that we were going to get to that's irresistible before we do, and that is, you put down as one of the talk points, the last years of the Catholic Church as a major institution.
	My goodness.
	Yeah, again, you know, we're looking at what's going on and And not making a judgment call based on opinion.
	And by the way, I should say that I was raised Catholic, and I still consider myself.
	Well, fine.
	What's going on that leads you to that conclusion?
	Well, all of these continuing scandals, these sodomy scandals, have really taken a toll.
	They have.
	And it's not only in the United States.
	When you look at the sizes of the congregations, particularly in Europe, they're declining rapidly.
	And as we look at the trends that are developing, as a matter of fact, the Pope is almost the symbol of the death of it, because when he goes, it's really going to unravel even quicker.
	The numbers are way off.
	The congregations are shrinking, not only in Europe, but in the United States.
	Once the World War II generation and the Eisenhower generation, the older people, once they leave the congregation, there's not going to be young people to go either into the into the priesthood or the nuns or going as parishioners.
	Well, the current Pope is very conservative.
	What could the Catholic Church do?
	Well, I guess they could probably go back to... Obviously, they see these trends as well and better than you do, probably, so they must be considering... Not necessarily, because people see trends come and go and they don't act on them because they're so blinded Why an ideology or a belief?
	That's true.
	And what they need to do is to bring back people into it is probably getting closer to the kind of things that Christ talked about, like helping the needy, the lonely, the elderly.
	You know, those little kinds of things.
	And they're not.
	That's not what the religion is about.
	The religion became, you have to do this.
	If you don't do this, you're going to go to hell.
	So we see it declining very rapidly.
	And we see a new millennium religion, by the way, replacing it.
	Oh?
	And we don't know what to call it, but it's going to loosely be based on that thing called spirituality, where people believe that the soul is immortal and that they have a divine purpose in life.
	I can see that coming.
	I think I can see that coming.
	That's very interesting.
	All right.
	What I want to do is turn you over to the audience and see where that takes us.
	I mean, you've said a lot of things, and I'm sure there's a lot of agreement and a lot of probably dire disagreement.
	Let's find out.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Gerald Salenti.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Art, you have a great show.
	Gerald, I think you're right on the money, and I'll get right to the point.
	First of all, do you believe, based upon what you have said, that The middle class is basically on its way out.
	And secondly, if we continue down the same road that we're going, it seems like at the least we're going to be bankrupt as a nation, financially.
	And even if we won the war, in order to do so, we're going to end up losing all our rights.
	So how can we win if we lose everything that this country was based upon?
	And I'd like your comment on that.
	We'll start with the middle class on its way out.
	Yes, it is.
	Because growing up and me being a kid, my father, may he rest in peace, he raised seven
	children and he was the only one working in the household.
	As Art mentioned earlier about the fat times during post-World War II era, those days are
	are gone, two people could barely make it happen.
	You look at the debt levels now, they're astronomical.
	Each family is holding about $19,000 worth of debt, so these things aren't going to get
	better and as far as going bankrupt, yes, it's really happening.
	There was another kind of a report that wasn't put out that we didn't hear much about.
	It was the International Monetary Fund warning that the IMF report showed that funding for
	instance of Social Security and Medicare would lead to to a $47 trillion shortage over the next 70 years, or 500% of the current gross domestic product.
	That's just in that area.
	If you look at the current budget deficit, between the budget deficit and the trade deficit, what are we talking about?
	We're talking about a trillion dollars of a $10 trillion economy.
	So, I mean, these are real things.
	This is why we're saying, when the Great Recession of 2007 hits, people are going to be blindsided by it.
	Alright, and the second thing he was saying was that, is there really any way, I think he was saying this, to win?
	In other words, we lose either way.
	Yeah, you lose.
	We're fighting terrorism and we're losing our rights.
	We're losing because, look, take France.
	I mean, everybody hates the French.
	The French used to get their subways, their metros blown up all the time.
	You know, terrorist acts.
	When they got out of Algeria, guess what?
	The Algerians weren't launching terrorist attacks against them anymore.
	You want to get involved in somebody else's business?
	Fine, do it, but understand there are going to be a lot of people that are going to want to get even with you.
	Look at the news today, Art.
	Gerald, is it your view that if we withdrew from all the hot and troubled spots that we're in now.
	Just hold everybody back, that the world would then leave us alone.
	There's the other issue too, and this is a difficult one to talk about without being called an anti-Semite, and that's Israel.
	But answer the first question first.
	Well, that's part of it.
	We'd have to get out of that.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Absolutely, we would.
	But before we move on to Israel, if we withdrew, including from all the support of Israel, which I understand is a big source of the reason that people come after us, would they leave us alone?
	Yes, I believe they would.
	You do?
	I do.
	I thought... I really, really do.
	I believe if the United States pulled back And took care of the things going on in this country, rather than in the other countries.
	And stopped getting in bed, you know, with these other dictators, you know, like in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the rest of them.
	You know, you guys do what the hell you want to do.
	Leave us alone.
	They're going to leave us alone.
	I really believe that.
	I can hear that.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gerald Salenti.
	Hello.
	Yes, Artville.
	This is Bill, listening to you from 970 WFLA in Tampa.
	Hey, Bill.
	Good signals.
	I have a couple of questions.
	One is I went to your guest's website and he said he's no longer accepting subscription to his journal.
	Oh yeah, I got a fast blast about that.
	That's an error we're going to be taking very shortly.
	But you're not now.
	Now there's a mistake on this.
	This was a mess up that just happened.
	Okay, is it affordable for an individual?
	It's $185 a year.
	Okay, not bad, not bad.
	Second question is I recently I had a conversation with a Lebanese gentleman who came over to this country in the 80s after the civil war started in Lebanon, and it is his view, and this is a conspiracy view if you will, but it is his view that this country is really very much in that same position, and that either Russia and or China are funding divisive, subversive groups
	In this country, a la SDS back in the 60s or whatever, to try and promote divisiveness and to promote some kind of a civil war in this country, which may be coming up from Mexico.
	Now that's a lot to throw out at one time.
	It is, sir.
	But I'm wondering what kind of comment you might have on that.
	Well, traditionally, wait a minute, you mentioned the middle class.
	Traditionally around the world, Gerald, civil wars don't occur until the middle class is virtually defunct.
	And then you have civil war.
	You think that's true?
	Yeah, I don't see a civil war happening in this country.
	I really, really don't.
	I was talking about before how in the 30s people had a dignity and now they're so overburdened with debt and responsibility and they've lost their passion for a lot of things.
	I don't think they'll fight.
	And also, to answer Bill's question, who would have thought that Russia and China would have become probably the two most ardent capitalistic
	countries in the world.
	Well, that's true.
	Yeah, I mean, it's true.
	It's not about ideology.
	I don't see them, you know, so I don't, I think that they just want to do more and more business.
	We won the Cold War, I guess you can say, and now we're losing.
	See, I don't, we won the Cold War in some ways, but we lost it in others.
	You know, there's that famous quote from General Eisenhower.
	Surely no one would ever call the great general a pinko commie.
	The military-industrial complex?
	Yes.
	And the Cold War bankrupted this country and has allowed countries like China, Japan, And all the countries in Europe to move ahead of us in many ways.
	So, in a lot of ways, we were better off when Russia was solidly communist and really poor.
	And the Chinese were more ideologues than they are now and not so productive as we have been in the past.
	It's kind of a weird... We were living better.
	I mean, you talk about propaganda.
	I remember growing up I never saw it.
	Every Russian woman I ever looked at was fat, with one of those things over her head and picking cabbage.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Man, I think I see all these beautiful Russian women.
	How come they were hiding them during the Cold War?
	Yeah, that's a darndest thing, isn't it?
	You're right about that, too.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Gerald Sletty.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Hi.
	Yeah, about the Catholic Church, I disagree with your guest.
	Okay.
	According to Scripture, the gate to hell will never prevail against the Catholic Church.
	And the Catholic Church will be rejuvenated by the conversion of the Jews.
	The next Pope of the Catholic Church will most likely be the Archbishop of Paris, who is a Jew, and he will bring the Jews into Christianity.
	They will become baptized Catholics, and Jewish rabbis will become Catholic priests, and this will rejuvenate the world as Scripture has it.
	So the Catholic Church is not down for the count.
	The gates of hell will not prevail.
	The Protestants couldn't kill the Church.
	The Muslims couldn't destroy the Church.
	And the Jews and the American media can't destroy the church who have blown the molesting scandal way out of proportion by the Jewish-controlled American media who hates the Catholic Church.
	Alright, alright.
	Hold it, hold it, hold it.
	Alright, so I've got the picture and I'm sure you do as well, Gerald.
	Yeah, the church is destroying the church.
	It's not the media.
	You know, these things are... You know, by the way, I'm a victim of...
	West of the Rockies, call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
	Grabbed me by my little blue tie and started beating me to a pulp.
	She perforated my middle ear and broke my eardrum.
	This is a sister who whacked you when you were younger.
	I mean, beat me viciously.
	Alright, I did remove her name.
	She's long gone!
	Well, maybe so, but a sister who just beat the You don't think this shapes your views now?
	No, it really doesn't because there are loads of these stories.
	There are loads of nun stories.
	How would it have been if a little boy or girl walks in and they embrace you and hug you and kiss you?
	Wouldn't that have been a lot different?
	These are famous stories about what went on and what goes on.
	When you're out of touch with the people, when they get back into serving, look, they make a big deal out of Mother Teresa.
	Mother Teresa should have been the norm rather than the exception.
	That's what the church was supposed to be about.
	You have a good point there.
	West of the Rockies, you're on there with Jo Slutty.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	It's good to talk to you.
	This is Lauren in Medford, Oregon.
	And I have a couple questions for Gerald.
	First of all, Gerald, I think I wanted to say I disagree with you.
	If things got so bad in this country that, you know, we couldn't afford to, you know, buy food or see a doctor, we would get off, you know, ducks in front of the TV and there would be a revolution.
	I don't see us as that... Okay, so she sees Americans as finally motivated, off the couch, up with the gun, and a revolution in America, Gerald, you don't see that.
	Well, if it goes as far as you said, where they couldn't buy food and see a doctor, then you're going to have it, but my God, look at the conditions.
	But if it has to go to that far, who wants to be here?
	Hello?
	Oh, I wanted to ask him actually about gold, a couple of questions.
	Ask about gold, go ahead.
	Okay, there have been rumors recently that John Ashcroft has been looking into making it more difficult to buy gold.
	Oh yes.
	Or that they'll be tracking all the Americans who do buy gold.
	First I want to know, I haven't been able to establish whether that's a rumor.
	Alright, let's try.
	I too have seen the same and heard the same rumors that there are rumblings about inquiries into gold and tracking gold and maybe making it not possible again to have gold and Any words on it?
	I know nothing about it.
	You haven't heard a word, huh?
	No, I don't know that one.
	You should be on the internet!
	There are those rumors, so you don't... No, I just don't know.
	If the rumors are there, you know, I wouldn't put... I don't doubt anything.
	Nothing surprises me.
	You know, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy theorist or anything else, because there's going to be a real problem here.
	Again, all you have to do is look at the numbers and what's going on in society about the economy.
	The United States is really, really in debt.
	The dollar is sinking like a tank.
	All right.
	International Line, you're on the air with Gerald Slonti.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hello.
	Are you guys there?
	Well, mostly.
	Okay, here you go.
	This is my deal.
	I'm a member of the 75th Fodder Squadron.
	I'm in active duty, and right now, I heard Gerald talk a while back about the statistical significance as far as the average age in the military back during the Vietnam War was around 19.
	Now, in the military now, the average age is around 34.
	And he mentioned that most of us, or most of the military, By the way sir, where are you?
	to that's true however it is a volunteer workforce and i'm wondering what
	statistics he had backup
	his his statement that you know will a lot of people are more interested in
	getting home back to normal life rather than defend our country by by the way i
	thought was aware are you
	right now yes i'm on a high ten heading to my portico
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	So, Gerald... He's stateside, right?
	Yeah.
	I guess what I'd like to say is I kind of refute his observation because it is a volunteer force, and most of us are, like myself, around 34 years old.
	Well, sir, I mentioned... And we understand our mission.
	I mentioned the same thing to Gerald, and he suggested that we're looking at a draft, you know, after a first major incident, and we might be.
	And he's recalled quite a bit of the National Guard.
	Several family members of mine were recalled to active duty.
	Right.
	All right, so basically you're wanting to know from Gerald, where's some facts that would substantiate that point of view that people would just sort of quit and there would be a revolt?
	Right, well we're saying... I'm just wondering if you're saying statistical significance to back it up.
	No, we're saying, again, it's trend forecasts as we look at what's going to be.
	You gave the number of the average age, and what did you say it was?
	Currently, the average age in the U.S.
	Air Force is 34.
	That's amazing by itself.
	And then you start taking that... What we're saying is... Actually, I'll tell you a story.
	General Anthony Zinni, does that name ring a bell?
	It does.
	Well, General, I was a keynote speaker at the Virginia Military Institute back in 2000.
	And had lunch with General Zinni.
	And General Zinni mentioned to me, he had just finished, the day before, a series of Senate hearings that was broadcast all over the TV, after they had sunk the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen.
	And he and I were talking, and he mentioned to me, and I'm going to paraphrase, not quote him, that if the United States gets in a war with another country, We'll probably lose if our soldiers have to go fight in that country because of the makeup of what the army looks like now.
	This isn't the Marines when I was in the Marines.
	Alright, on that note, both of you hold on.
	I'll bring you back right after the break.
	We've got a break when we've got a break.
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	The trends, oh my, the trends.
	Seems appropriate, folks.
	My guest is Gerald Sollente, and what program it's been, you're welcome to join us.
	We are as close as your telephone.
	Oh my god, we're on the last segment of the...
	It's incredible to me how quickly The weekend goes like that.
	My guest is Gerald Solente, and here he is once again.
	Gerald, before I forget, I want to give you an opportunity to promote your... Is it a newsletter that you...?
	Yeah, we have... Well, we have books, Trends 2000, and my latest book is a call with Zizi.
	Z-I-Z-I gave Honey Boy, and they could be bought on Amazon.
	And our newsletter is the Trends Journal.
	And if you go to our website, you can see we're not taking new subscriptions now, but we will be opening them up.
	So if you just send us an email, we'll contact you.
	A lot of people were reacting to that, seeing that, and I was getting a lot of computer notes.
	Yeah, there was a mistake on that.
	Alright, here's that member of the armed services again.
	I thought we had to finish this up.
	Pretty important stuff.
	You're saying, caller, that It just didn't like that, that you don't see the military reacting that way at all.
	Well, let's look at the suicide rate.
	Well, let's let him finish.
	I'm sorry.
	Caller, caller, caller.
	Yeah, I guess one of the other things, I was just looking something up in some of the things I have here with me.
	I actually have my laptop up and running.
	And I'm looking at one of the things that might disprove your guess.
	What is it?
	Well, basically, In the past ten years, we've seen a significant decline in our recruitment numbers, and one of the reasons why that is is because the military is instituting certain things to ensure that we're recruiting the right people, like P&I surveys and whatnot, to ensure that we're getting people who actually want to serve their country rather than just serve their four years, get their GI Bill benefit, and everything else.
	I guess I don't see, especially in my unit, and I'm at a higher command level, the things that your guest is talking about as far as
	Not, um, you know, really there for the mission, you know, the military members not being there for the mission, rather just being there for a job instead of working at Walmart.
	All right, well, I for one hope you're right.
	Now, Gerald, you started to mention the suicide rate.
	There have been a number of... Yeah, I mean, look what's going on with that, you know.
	Now, recent stories... Yeah.
	The suicide rate, I guess, is pretty high, isn't it?
	In Iraq.
	Yes.
	And the caller, you know, mentioned that he's at the...
	The higher command level.
	Let's go down to the combat troops.
	And those are the ones that really make the difference at the end of the day.
	A lot of them are going to be very tired at the end of the day of fighting a war for which they think they've already won.
	Now as trend forecasters, what we're saying is, and I mentioned this when I began this whole thing, We said the United States will be worn out of Iraq.
	So we're not looking at tomorrow or next year.
	We're looking down the line.
	And you're going to find less and less willing people to go there because of the reasons that no, there were no weapons of mass destructions.
	Yes, Saddam Hussein is gone.
	No, I don't want to be here anymore.
	You're at a different level than the combat troops.
	Well, let me say something.
	As far as there not being weapons of mass destruction, and I was involved with the 5th Reconnaissance Squadron for several years, and that kind of information just isn't made public.
	Oh no, look, you're out of your league.
	The government will never admit that there is actually... No, no, now you're BSing.
	Just look at the facts.
	Look at the facts.
	Listen to what Tony Blair just said, you know, that was very pro-war, that no, they couldn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
	They're not there.
	Let's call a spade a spade.
	Yeah, Caller, I've got to agree.
	If they found weapons of mass destruction, we'd be screaming from the rooftops.
	screaming from the rooftops that information go to george bush and he'd
	be on the television so fast you wouldn't have time to say weapons of mass destruction
	so uh...
	uh...
	ms radio right about that one at least so far and that you never know maybe
	they'll find it let me let me if i may
	uh... that uh...
	uh...
	tony blair when he was pushing the war
	with saying that uh...
	it was the clearest possible to the quote with the clearest possible evidence that they were
	that they were mass weapons of mass destruction Yes.
	Now he's saying, we think we might have, is a lot different than clearest possible evidence.
	Yeah, it is, it is different.
	First Time Caller line, you're on the air with Gerald Fletcher, hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Gerald?
	Hi.
	How are you guys doing?
	I've known you a few years.
	Thank you.
	Where are you?
	Daytona Beach, Florida.
	My name is Bill, and I'm on 1150 AM.
	Okay, Bill.
	Gerald, you were talking about gold.
	Yes.
	What do you think of silver?
	Silver has more of an industrial use.
	And now, for instance, look what's happening.
	A lot of silver used to be used in the photographic industry, and now it's digital.
	I'm not saying silver isn't a good play, but I like gold because of what gold stands for.
	Gold is used for jewelry, and it goes up in that aspect as well.
	Things get really bad, and they might.
	We think they're going to get worse rather than get better.
	You want to have something that's going to buy you.
	You hear the stories of World War II.
	You know, these aren't fake things, and that's not ancient history.
	You know, a gold coin brought you way to freedom.
	Yeah.
	Well, he's right about that.
	Although silver, I think, has taken an almost, well, not commensurate rise, but it's risen as well.
	Right, and we're saying, you know, it's good, but, you know, we like gold.
	Because of the reasons that I just said.
	Okay, well, there you are.
	And I understand exactly what you're saying about gold.
	Wild Card Line, you're on there with Gerald Slundee.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hello.
	I'd like to say that this is the golden age of radio may be over, but this is a platinum age because of coast-to-coast AM and RTL.
	Thank you.
	I'd also like to say that I think that digital photography should not take over entirely because you can't get special films like infrared and other films, so I hope that regular photography is here to stay.
	I wouldn't say that digital is better either, by the way.
	I'm just saying that, for instance, you have companies like Kodak just announcing last week that they're abandoning some of their regular film camera projects and going more into digital.
	So when I talk about silver, silver was used a lot in the photographic industry.
	In processing, sure.
	I hope they don't forget about infrared.
	My question, however, is this.
	What do you see, if anything, for such things as time machines?
	Will they be in the future?
	And how soon?
	Thank you so much.
	I'm not sure that's a trend that Gerald's been watching.
	Time machine market.
	Look, hey, anything's possible.
	But I'll tell you what I am looking a lot at.
	And I think there are things that can change the future.
	First of all, I don't look to politicians.
	I look to people.
	When people change, everything will change.
	And when people start acting differently, then, you know, it will be an idea as time has come.
	And the other kind of wild card thing that could really change things around is an alternative energy.
	Well, I was about to say, you can't exactly... One great wild card is science, right?
	And science could suddenly... An alternative energy could be the one that does it.
	As a matter of fact, Gerald, it has a habit of happening when we're at our The greatest moment of need, somebody figures out how to split the atom.
	It can happen.
	And if we have an alternative energy, Art... Well, it's like the music, you know, it gets really good at the worst of times.
	Exactly.
	See, so does science.
	And I'm not saying science will pull our fat out of the fire, but, you know, it's a wild card.
	It's possible.
	It's a wild card.
	But then there's the other side of it.
	It could also be after the fall of the Roman Empire, they became a dark age.
	That's right.
	And you asked me before, what would be the empire that would be?
	I don't see another empire.
	No?
	No.
	But what I do see is a possibility of people changing.
	And that, you know, when I talked about this new millennium religion where people believe, you know, in the immortality of the soul and a purpose of life, those kind of things can change the world.
	well that's the most positive thing that you said all night uh... i think that we could use of the rockies you're on
	the air with gerald saletti hello
	uh... yet i know we're short of time so i'm going to get right to the question
	for uh... gerald I was wondering, do you see the failure of these corporations like Enron and such, and the CEOs making all this money, do you equate that to the rats jumping the ship?
	Sorry, do I equate it to what?
	Alright, say it louder.
	Uh, do you equate that to the rats, uh, jumping the ship?
	Equate what?
	Pardon?
	Equate what?
	Um, the, uh, CEOs selling out the corporations and such.
	Alright, uh, so in other words, uh, the CEOs dumping stock and... Do I equate it to what?
	I didn't hear the other part of it.
	To rats jumping the ship.
	Oh, rats jumping the ship?
	Yes.
	No, no, they're not, they're not, you know, I mean, they're obviously rats.
	I mean, it's not only, you know, this is a worldwide This is a worldwide malignancy.
	But yes, but what he was saying was the fact that so many CEOs are bailing out, taking
	their millions and running, does that mark or delineate where things are beginning to
	fall apart at a rate?
	Yes, it does.
	Because with each new day, there's a new business scandal.
	You go back, you know, a couple of days ago, Morgan Stanley was fined $38 million.
	Last year, it was a $1.4 billion settlement reached against Wall Street firms.
	I mean, in another story last week, the world's largest temp agency You know, uh, was hit by a scandal.
	The regulators, another quote, a headline, regulators allege widespread sales abuse within mutual fund industry.
	Last week, every day, every day.
	And when I said to you earlier about the people being demoralized, they become insensitive to these stories.
	These are major stories.
	Hey, you know, Britney Spears got, married in a null in one day? And you see all the footage
	that CNN ran of Michael Jackson's arraignment?
	Oh yes, of course. You could not have missed it. Yes, strange times.
	Just think of that headline, regulators allege widespread sales abuse with mutual fund industry.
	don't you think that should be a headline story yesterday?
	yes, yes, yes, Gerald, but you know what?
	the people are beaten to death they're numb
	they've had a shot of Novocaine straight into the central part of the amygdala
	or whatever it is in the brain I mean, they're just plain numb
	and that's why I said it's a demoralized society and that's why there won't be a revolution
	okay West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Flante
	hello yes, Art
	yes okay, I have a question for Gerald
	yes If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
	You seem to think that if we pull out of these small countries and stuff like that, that they probably would leave us alone?
	But, would they still want our monetary help?
	Of course!
	Yeah, the business of the world is business.
	As I said earlier, who would have thought that the great demons of the Cold War, China and Russia, would have become the two You know, most ardent capitalistic countries in the world.
	It's about money.
	Oh, so in other words, leave us alone, but feed us.
	Not feed us, do business.
	It's about doing business.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'm sure he's right about that.
	Alright, we are very short on time.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gerald Slenty.
	Hello. Hello. Hello. Yes, just a quick question regarding gold for the average guy or whatever,
	like gold coins, something like that. Yeah, I'll tell you the coin that I like.
	It's called a Vienna Philharmonic.
	When you buy an ounce of gold, you pay different premiums because of the intricacy of how the coin is stamped.
	I'm not concerned about that, you know, as somebody buying gold for the reasons that I buy it.
	So I like that one.
	It has the lowest premium on it.
	So you're saying don't buy the coins for the numismatic value of the coin, or the perceived numismatic value of the coin, but rather for the ounce of gold.
	An ounce of gold.
	Is an ounce of gold.
	Boy.
	This has been some program.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Gerald Slade.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air with Gerald Slade.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm here.
	Yes.
	Proceed.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't know what happened to this guy.
	I guess he's gone.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Slade, hello.
	Hi Art and Gerald.
	Hi.
	Gerald, as I see the situation, we've got all these people pouring in from overseas, Asians, Mexicans, and so forth, and I'm just wondering now, when we have an economic breakdown, which I'm sure we will have, we're going to have all these people from all over the world, and they're not going to have any jobs.
	Now that's not going to be a revolution?
	It's not going to be civil strife?
	It's going to be civil strife, and you're right!
	They're not going to have any jobs.
	And by the way, let's understand, when we're having all this cheap help coming in, you have the biggest companies in the United States supporting this.
	And no, they're going to be here, and there's going to be problems, and there's going to be civil strife, but I don't see a revolution.
	Well, when there's no more police force, That's going to be bad enough.
	That'll be real bad.
	All right.
	All right, thank you.
	There is the question of immigration, Gerald.
	What do you think about it, and what should be done, or what could be done?
	Well, now I'll become an American citizen, and I'll talk about it in that vein, rather than as a trend forecaster.
	That's the way you pose the question.
	Well, sure, sure.
	Why not?
	I say, as I look at it, I'd like to seal the borders and get things straightened out over here.
	And when it's safe to walk in the streets of the South Bronx, where I'm from, then let's start opening up the borders.
	You'd seal them?
	Yeah, I'd seal them tight.
	Do you think that our political structure Has the Cajones to do something of that order?
	Well, it's not that.
	That's not the issue.
	The issue is it's the same reason why we do manufacturing cheaply overseas.
	So rather than doing manufacturing cheaply overseas, we bring in overseas here and get work done cheaply.
	And for instance, when you go to you again, you know, you being a world traveler, You go to Europe and you go into, let's say to go to buy a cappuccino in Italy, you have an adult serving you and they're making a living wage.
	That is true.
	You go into a convenience store here or any of the other places, you know, you have, you know, people making minimum wage and it's a whole different, it's a whole different society.
	Here's something that people have to, that I believe you have to understand about the United States.
	Number one, it's not a democracy.
	It's a plutocracy.
	By definition, a plutocracy is a government controlled by the wealthy.
	If you or I, Art, want to run for office, or most of the people out there, we can't unless we have deep pockets like Mayor Bloomberg over here in New York, or we're going to suck up to a special interest.
	One of the above.
	George Bush for this year, he raised $130 million.
	Listen, buddy, we could go on and on and on, but we can't because we are out of time.
	It has been a pleasure having you on the program.
	You're provocative, you're not afraid to say what you think, and...
	We'll have you back!
	Alright!
	But that's it.
	We're out of time.
	Good night!
	Good night.
	That's... That's the truth.
	That man says what he thinks.
	And that's it for me.
	And for this weekend, George kicks things off tomorrow.
	Good night!
	Midnight in the desert, shooting stars across the sky This magical journey, we'll take this on a ride
	Filled with a longing, searching for the truth We make it to tomorrow
	Will the sun shine on you?
	Midnight in the desert And we're listening

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