Paul Moller’s Skycar—a four-passenger, roadable aircraft with 325 mph speeds and 200+ microprocessors—promises to revolutionize urban travel by docking at vertiports and using alcohol-based rotary engines (like Mazda’s RX-8) for safety. Over $2M in deposits and military war game success highlight its potential, though delays stem from past aviation funding failures and Boeing’s reluctance. Nemo of the Temple of the Vampire counters myths, claiming vampires absorb wasted life force energy (Qi/Prana) rather than blood, achieving immortality through structured rituals like "Dragon Speaks." While skeptics dismiss it as pseudoscience, Moller’s Skycar and Nemo’s teachings both push boundaries—one with futuristic tech, the other with consciousness itself. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great Americans of Westminster, good evening, good morning, whatever the case may be, afternoon, I don't know how to roll those time zones.
I'm Mark Bell, and this, of course, is post-to-post a.m.
Gonna be a lot of fun this weekend.
Lot to talk about.
Actually, a lot of guests.
We're gonna do a special five-hour program tonight.
Why?
Because tonight we retrieved an extra hour from the cosmos.
That's right.
We get an hour back.
But oh, what a pain in the butt it is.
I wish to give my yearly rant for a moment against the insanity that is this changing of the time.
There's no modern logical reason for it.
And it's a pain in the butt.
I've easily got 40, perhaps even 50 clocks if you count my automobiles and 40 or 50 clocks.
And a few of them, yes, are atomic and set themselves, even though, with the perfect solar storm coming down, that may not happen.
So I ran around like chicken with my head off earlier tonight and did what I was doing, change the clock.
We must stop this madness, I tell you.
Pick up pen, pencil, go to your computer, write to your congressperson, your senator, tell them to stop the madness that is this time change twice a year.
Absolute, total madness.
There is, well, perhaps in the olden days where farmers, you know, had to out of work late in fields or whatever the reason was.
And they talk about school children, but I mean, half the year they're in the dark anyway.
So what's the big deal?
Why don't we just have one uniform time across our nation?
Not actually one uniform time, but one time that doesn't change.
Arizona does that.
A number of other states don't change their time.
It's ridiculous.
It's time-consuming.
It's annoying, and there's no reason for it.
So write to somebody.
I don't care.
Write to a relative.
Complain.
Get the ball rolling.
Some politician out there could be our hero.
They could introduce a bill to stop the madness, stop the clocks from changing twice a year.
I hate it.
Anyway, listen, a couple of notes.
Dr. Paul Mahler is going to be here tonight, and we're going to finally get an update on the Sky Car, my dream car.
No question about it.
We'll tell you all about it here in a few moments, and then a little later in the show, we'll change gears, to say the least, and we will interview a vampire.
Nemo is a living vampire.
That should be interesting for a totality of five hours.
Now, this next coming Friday night, Saturday morning, I am honored, privileged to be here to host Ghost to Ghost, the annual Ghost to Ghost show.
Now, we're going to pull a slightly different trick.
I've done something like this in the past, but never before.
It's a very serious ghost program on Halloween.
Very serious, because I'm very serious about the topic, actually.
And it's entirely caller-driven.
There are a million ghost stories out there in the big city, and what we want, of course, is the very best, the very scariest of them all.
And here's how, in part, we're going to do it this year.
While, of course, we will take calls from the larger or the at-large audience.
I wish you to do the following for me.
If you have a particularly dramatic, scary ghost story, I want you to write a very small synopsis, a paragraph or two will do, and email it to me, along with your telephone number.
So when this next Friday and Ghost to Ghost begins, I may call you.
So what I'm going to do is pick the juiciest of them.
Although, you know, you never can tell.
Sometimes people who can write can't speak.
But nevertheless, give me a brief synopsis of your ghost story, and then give me your telephone number.
And on the night in question, be alert and be ready because I may call you.
That'll be Ghost to Ghost this coming Friday night, Saturday morning.
And so if you want to get in on it, if you've got that very special story, then include your telephone number in the email.
When you email me at artbell at mindspring.com, that's where I am, artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, lowercase at mindspring.com.
Now, of interest on the website right now, CoastCoastAM.com, there is an article entitled Art Bell the Time Traveler, which is a website that just, you know, sort of showed up, which appears to blame me for the Cubs' loss.
Remember when the Cubs lost?
Do you remember when the fan interfered?
Well, it would purport to show me in a time travel situation as actually responsible for the Cubs' loss.
And it was pretty funny, so I said, yeah, I go ahead and put it up.
I don't know who did it.
Then there's a couple of interactive things up there.
A game, which is kind of fun, called the ESP game, which matches your ability to match somebody else's mind.
It's an interactive web kind of thing, and we've got that up on the website right now at coasttocoastam.com.
Now, we have one more interactive thing, though.
It certainly is not a game.
You remember the polar melting business?
Well, the man who did that for us, showing what has happened at the top of the world in the Arctic has done another version of it, and this one's even better.
Interactive in the sense that you can go, there's a little slider here, and you can go from the slider at the bottom from 1976, I believe, I'm still trying to get it loaded here, it's very slow, through now, 2003, and as you slide the slider across, you will note very quickly the profound, profound changes occurring in the Arctic as a result of whatever.
You know, I don't even want to get into an argument about what it is.
Yes, as 1979, actually, through 2003, and just move that slider along, and you will see the Arctic deteriorating before your eyes.
And for those of you that don't think there's a problem with the top of the world and the bottom of the world melting before our very eyes, as graphically depicted here, well, then I don't know what kind of wake-up call you need.
So, interactive, but indeed not a game.
Briefly, looking around the world, in Baghdad, six to eight rockets struck the Al-Rashid Hotel.
There were warnings of this early Sunday, where the U.S. military and civilians stay.
It looks as though there are a number of injuries.
We don't know how many yet.
In Gaza City, Israeli forces retaliated Sunday for a deadly attack on militants on a nearby Jewish settlement.
Continuing the cycle, never-ending cycle in the Holy Land.
In San Bernardino at this hour, there's tragedy underway.
A wildfire, actually San Bernardino and also the Rancho Cucamonga area of California, where I have a very good friend at this hour worried for her house and her town.
But now the big fire appears to be in San Bernardino, well, they're both big.
But the San Bernardino fire has already destroyed 200 homes, threatening thousands of others, forcing mass evacuations.
And I'm sorry to say the outlook, in my opinion, would not be good.
The winds blew in the desert here from the north, northwest, and the northwest at 10 to 25 miles an hour all day long today.
And these are the winds that compress as they go over the mountains and then become what are called the Santa Ana's, which are going to continue to blow through the weekend in the fire-affected areas.
It's going to be, well, is a real terror.
So good luck to everybody there.
You're going to need it with the winds coming the way they are.
The wildcard Florida Marlins did it.
They have won the World Series.
And with that news, no doubt, not very comforting to my friends in New York City listening to WABC.
There were a lot of dejected New Yorker faces for me to see earlier tonight.
Away we go in a moment to the sky.
Now, my dream has always been, along with time travel, flight.
I broke my arm trying to hang glide up in Alaska.
It was a terrible compound fracture.
It was awful.
So I have always wanted to fly all my life.
Now, what I would like you to do, you've already got several reasons to be going to the website.
I'd like you to go to coast2coastam.com.
And on the right-hand side, upper right-hand corner, tonight's guest, Dr. Paul Mueller, just click on Mueller International.
And when you do, you will see the M400 Skycar.
That is what we were about to talk about.
This is a private, I don't know, car-size sky vehicle that will soon be taking you from point to point, kind of like the Jetsons in the Jetsons, if you will, as a very loose way to put it.
Now, this is a real thing.
This is not a dream.
Obviously, it was a dream.
Dr. Mueller had a dream.
It's coming true.
Dr. Mahler is a founder, chairman of the board, and has served as the president of Mahler International since foundation in 1983.
Mahler International was formed to develop a powered lift aircraft called Skycar and other related technologies.
Dr. Mahler holds a master's in engineering, a PhD from McGill University, professor of mechanical and aeronautical engineering at the University of California.
Not a lightweight, obviously.
That's a University of California Davis course from 1963 through 75.
In 1972, he founded Super Trap Industries, which became the most recognized international name in high-performance engine silencing systems.
Dr. Mueller has received 43 patents, including the first U.S. patent on a fundamentally new form of powerlift aircraft and yet another on the revolutionary rotopower engine.
In 1997, he created Freedom Motors to manufacture and distribute this engine.
in a moment dr. Mahler and the sky car By the way, I gave a woefully short shrift to what I called the perfect solar storm.
I actually was awake watching solar conditions when this incredible M5 or 6, whatever it was, flare developed at about 3 o'clock in the morning.
And I called some of my friends.
I was on the shortwave radio at the time.
I said, my God, look what's happening.
Holy moly.
So I have a lot more to say about this.
Right now, it's Skycar Time, and I hope you've had a chance to go up to the website and see this incredible vehicle.
And so obviously there's a great deal of new listeners to the program, and they won't have any idea at all about the Sky Car.
So not only do we have to do an update tonight, but I guess we have to, you know, kind of go back to basics and tell people who are just tuning in tonight, what is this?
Well, the Sky Car is really a vehicle in aircraft, as we call it, that combines what the helicopter can do with what the airplane can do.
Of course, an airplane needs a runway.
That's a great limitation.
A helicopter has a wonderful ability to take off vertically, but it can't fly very fast.
It's extremely difficult to fly, and it's quite dangerous because there's a lot of failures, all those mechanical parts whirling around.
So this does the function of both.
Plus, it's also roadable.
It's also legal.
I wouldn't say the highways much as I would say the roadways, say, around the city to get from your home to a vertiport, a place to take off from maybe a couple blocks away.
Well, it flies fast because, and one of the reasons you can fly fast, of course, is that you end up having to have quite a bit of power when you take off vertically.
We always compare it to a hummingbird, which has a pretty high metabolism rate for a good reason.
It takes off vertically with significant power, and then, of course, that same power can be used to fly quite fast.
So you can fly at 325 miles an hour, 25,000 feet, or you can fly at a couple hundred miles an hour at sea level.
You could fly fast at sea level, but you'd be like burning your tank of fuel quite quickly.
The first stage, this would be a vehicle that would compete with helicopters and airplanes today.
But this vehicle is a vehicle.
It's pretty electronic in every sense of the word.
It has all the electronic brains on board to fly itself, which it has done a number of times.
And therefore, you really can think of it in the future in the perhaps five-year, ten-year period where you will be delivered in this vehicle from point A to point B. I know the pilots aren't going to like that.
But really, if you're going to be up in the air, you certainly don't want some drunk flyer, incapacitated, perhaps with alcohol or something of that nature, flying around up there in the same world that you're in.
Well, you know, every city or area will be coded in some way, and we haven't set up a code, but that's something that would be fairly straightforward.
The more complicated issue, of course, is generating this virtual highway in the sky, which is a long story, and I'm certainly going to be happy to tell you a little bit about it, but it's an interesting story of what's happening with regard to the highway in the sky.
Because it's visual rules, and you're supposed to decide if somebody's out there who may be crossing your path.
As you said, these air controllers are working so hard, you really can't count on them for the small planes.
And periodically, of course, small planes run into big planes.
But it's a chaotic world, but that's changing.
We have incredible technology coming down right now.
Of course, we're all familiar with GPS, the thing that guides your car around and tells you where you are.
Just recently, they put in a geostationary set of satellites that re-accalibrates GPS so that you get accuracy within a very few feet.
And then beyond that, they just issued a contract for what they call LAS Local Augmentation Systems for airspace, where you'll be able to know where every aircraft is within inches at all times.
This is done automatically.
You don't have to worry about the air controller not looking in your direction on the screen at the right time.
So the air controllers, do you still think by the time the Skycar is airborne in large numbers that air traffic controllers will have the same job or will commercial aircraft be controlled in the same way?
In fact, the purpose for this system, clearly, they're not building it right now for the Skycar because for most of them they don't know the Skycar exists.
But they are building it for the commercial airliners because this will make them much more efficient.
They can go from point A to point B very accurately at all times because they don't have to worry about other aircraft in the air.
You'll always know where they are.
You'll have all kinds of warning systems.
They're going to have a big buffer space around each aircraft so that you run into somebody else's buffer space, you know about it.
It has all of the characteristics of the family car.
And of course the one advantage it has is that it really gets into a world that is essentially unused today.
It may be chaotic, but think if it was organized, how much space there is up there, I've always been willing to point out that if you put all the cars on the road in America, at the same time, they'd still be miles apart if you used all of the airspace above us.
These days, if you go to buy an automobile new car, you're probably going to spend, I don't know, 20 or 30 grand for a pretty good car and 50 or better for a really good car easily.
And so that jumps out at me.
Doctor, in production, once in production with the Skycar, what do you envision the price might be?
But one of the things that we started out with in this company was to produce an extremely low-cost engine because we knew if you're going to have a lot of power, that you're going to have to produce a cheap if you're going to produce the car inexpensively.
And that was a goal of ours set back almost 30 years ago now.
That's right, because it was the only thing that was out there that had a large amount of power in a small package and was still inexpensive.
So we developed the engine, and that meant that the price of the vehicle could be down at the cost of an automobile because the engine price is comparable to that of an automobile.
Now, again, that's for the moment we'd say a quality automobile.
But anything below $50,000 would be very hard for us to project because it would depend on huge numbers of vehicles.
One of the things that people don't understand, though, that if you buy an airplane for the most part, there's a small depreciation at the beginning, but historically, aircraft prices remain pretty level.
So there's an average depreciation of about 2% per year where a car depreciates at 10%.
So the actual real price, the dollar that it costs you over a period of time is much less.
Even if you pay $50,000, it's probably equivalent to more like $20,000 in terms of actual depreciated costs.
Well, that was an expensive solution for us because it took a lot of time to design a system and generate the algorithms to make this vehicle behave better than a human.
And of course, one of the reasons it can fly better than a human is because a computer is faster, not necessarily smarter.
We don't need it to be that smart.
We just need it to be very fast.
And so we have on board 25 microprocessors working together, about 30,000 lines of code.
A highly redundant system, though, so that if one system out of four fails, the other one takes over.
If that fails, another one takes over.
And you have different people write the software.
So that if there's a software error, like Microsoft seems to have almost continuously in their systems, you have a backup system written by a different group of people.
So four average people or four people would be able to get into this model, punch some buttons, and at 300 plus miles an hour, go to wherever they want to go.
Alcohol is a sort of a politically correct thing to do, perhaps, in today's world, but more important than that, alcohol is a much safer fuel.
If you, again, have something go wrong in your test light program, you're not going to become a, you may become a small ball of fire, but you won't become a big one.
And so what do you envision, not so much what you have right now, but what do you envision for, say, the M400, if it were actually in production, what sort of range would it have?
It's been a little slow coming because it turned out to be, obviously, like most technologies, a lot more complicated to work out a few what would have thought of as simple bugs, but they turned out to be a couple years apiece to solve.
But we have, yes, we have flown, as you know, an earlier version very successfully.
It was not nearly a fast vehicle.
It was a two-passenger Jetson-looking type vehicle.
We flew that in 89 for the international press.
So we've been flying, I've been on board aircraft in the air, 100 feet in the air with previous vehicles.
So it's not, yes, it's been around for quite a while, and we're just moving towards a much more practical version, one that goes very fast, which is, I think, important in today's travel.
In 1989, I flew a vehicle that looks just like the Jetson's vehicle, a bubble-domed two-passenger vehicle, and everybody was there from Good Morning America to all of the Hollywood magazines and People magazine was there and did an extensive article on it.
So we had a very, very successful flight in 89, but the vehicle was not really a vehicle that was designed to go quite quickly.
It was about a 100-mile-an-hour vehicle, which may seem fast enough for a lot of people, but you burn the same amount of fuel with this design at 100 miles an hour as you do with 300 miles an hour.
So it becomes a lot more practical at 300 miles an hour.
We actually cannot start construction of the lake until April because of the erosion issues in the rainy season.
But as soon as that's complete, and we figure that's like a month, a month and a half, then we would be in a position to start test flying before the press.
Prior to that, of course, we'll be flying privately.
I will fly over this area, hover, stop, turn, twist, move around very quickly, but not so quickly that I move off the lake, at least during that period of time when the press is around me.
I will, but you know, using the term piloting is a little strange in a powerlift aircraft because it is so easy to fly.
I'm not a trained pilot.
I've been the test pilot since the beginning of these flights, and I don't consider myself skilled at all, and yet it's so simple to fly that there's no big difference.
Well, the ducts, these nacelles, most of the technology in this business comes from France, so it's a little confusing.
But the nacelles, the ducts, so to speak, rotate through a small angle of about 30 to 45 degrees, and then the exit from the ducts is deflected downwards another 45 degrees.
And that gets the air flowing vertically.
And then as you go forward, the ducts then go back to the horizontal direction, and then as you go even faster, then the veins pull up and they go into the horizontal direction.
No, it is a totally different path, but if there's any similar vehicles in the world out there today, you certainly would have to say, well, this one does divert the exhaust on the jet engine just like we divert it in the ducks.
But the principles involved, the physics involved is quite different.
These we don't want to argue that they ever would be needed, but certainly they give a sense of comfort to the individual when he perhaps is buying this for the first time.
It may be necessary in the test flight mode where, of course, a lot of things could go wrong.
No, I think it's important during the test by program, but I think in terms of normal practice, it'll never be really required.
Boeing did an extensive study of the vehicle, and to their satisfaction said, in their opinion, the vehicle is far more reliable than a 777, and that's coming from their own design.
So I think that we have really provided a vehicle that should be as foolproof as it's possible to be.
Ford did invite me to their executive committee meeting, and we had a multi-day meeting, and it was very well received.
I don't know that they're ready to give me a few million dollars to build vehicles for them, but they certainly were researching the use of such a vehicle.
I thought it was a very good reception, and we've talked to BMW.
But once the sky was organized, as you put it, I would presume nothing perhaps more complicated or just a little more complicated than a regular driver's license.
Well, I'd say less complicated because really all you've got to do is know the number system so you know to put in the number that you want to get to.
And again, I'm talking about, you know, a few years down the road, you'll be flying around in this much sooner than that, of course, because the highway system will not be fully developed for at least somewhere between five and ten years.
Now, what would you think the normal altitude, I'm bouncing questions from the computer here again, the normal altitude, cruising altitude for the Skycar would be?
Well, that would be a choice radio, how far you're going.
If you were going from, say, where I live, the nearest Sacramento to San Francisco, about 70 to 75 miles, you would probably go up to about 5,000 feet.
If you're going from here to L.A., you'd go to about 20,000 feet.
The height is very much dependent on how far you want to go because you have to climb up and come back down, and so there's some economics involved in that.
You're looking for partners, obviously, and you would like, I assume, a big partner, but if the worst happens and you don't find a forward-looking person or company to join in with you and you have to go it alone, what's the worst-case scenario?
Well, what we would do then, pretty much what we did in the past, we developed a company called SuperTrap, which you mentioned earlier, where we sold many millions of dollars of product and eventually sold the company for many millions of dollars.
And that helped us through a number of years.
Right now, we've got an engine that is in such high demand that we have letters of intent for almost a billion dollars in those engines.
So we've got a couple partners right now just starting production of the engines.
And if nothing else, the engines will fund the Skycar.
And after all, we need the engine for the Skycar in any case.
Okay, well, I guess then the person or persons who are in the Skycar, because the computer is virtually going to be doing everything, could sit and watch, I don't know, a movie.
You could play computer games on the screen because, of course, there's flying screens that give you a lot of information about navigation, where you are and your trip and things like that.
You can switch it over and make it into anything you want.
You can sleep.
You can read.
You would be able to be much more productive while you traveled.
And, of course, you'd be traveling much less.
Today, in America, we waste about 15 billion hours per year.
Stuck in traffic are going slowly.
And that mounts into hundreds of billions of dollars.
And, of course, we also kill over 40,000 people primarily for human air.
I'm not saying I'm sure of it because we're going to do it necessarily.
We're going to be a contributor to that, and maybe we'll give other companies a jump start in the research we've done after all we've spent in today's dollars over a couple hundred million dollars.
It's not an inexpensive technology, but it's coming inevitably because every system in America has always been replaced by another system.
First, we had canals, which then got replaced by railways.
Railways got replaced by automobiles, and today, in the last 10 years, highways have only increased by 2%, and the miles traveled has increased by 30%.
So you can imagine what's going to happen in the next 10 years.
I mean, you can see the traffic today coming to a stop.
In your wildest imagination, I don't think people can understand what's going to happen the next 10 years on the highway.
Well, of course, the crooks are going to have it too.
So the issue is how does he get up there when he's going into a world where the control of that vehicle, for the most part, is from a central control network.
He really is at the mercy of the controller.
So I think you'll have the traffic cop in the sky get a hold of him pretty quickly.
I would think that if we're successful in the next year, and I'm very optimistic we will, we certainly will introduce, and that's what we won't provide at this point, but we will introduce a new type of technology that when people realize can be done, that we may have another bubble, technological bubble, and at least this time it'll have some real material behind it.
Well, so you really think that by spring, I'll be watching Dan Rather or CNN or whatever newscast, and I'm going to see a skycar hovering above a lake?
Other than the fact I spend so much of my time raising the capital to make this whole thing happen, because I'm a technologist.
I love nothing better than either designing or actually doing something with my hands.
And I end up so much involved in the financial world of necessity because this is not something that you can do like I started out in my garage as not really a hobby, but certainly something relatively inexpensive.
Today I have to have really superb people working with me, great people of electronics, software, and hardware to make this happen.
With an operational Skycar in controlled airspace, would it be, do you envision it being possible for the person in the driver's seat to disengage the computers, or would that not be allowed?
You could select to operate out of side the highway system, just as you can take an off-road vehicle and have a lot of fun.
But of course, you would still have on board that system a lot of warning devices and preventive devices so that you can't get near the virtual highway.
But when you're on that virtual highway in the sky, you are no longer having anything to do with that vehicle.
If there's an emergency, the emergency will be handled remotely or with on-board computerized systems.
And I guess the worst case, the parachutes will be deployed automatically.
And so you're telling me it would be possible to essentially go off-lane or off-road, you could think of it like as off-road, and get into uncontrolled airspace and just go have fun?
Well, the rotary engine, and this is the hard thing for people to believe.
I mean, you used an RX7, and remember that engine was really developed in the 70s, so it was a baby relative to the technology that's already out there.
Do you think that the seal problems that the early Wonkle had were the reason was that the reason that it didn't take off in commercial development as it should have?
Well, it was that, and it was also not very good modage.
The sports car, you may not have noticed that because you maybe weren't paying attention to it, but it did get about 25% less modage, which was significant to a lot of people, particularly in the 70s when it was introduced.
Of course, it was a very bad timing.
In the middle of the 70s, coming out with an engine that was getting 25% poor modage was a really downside because people were standing in line to get gasoline.
That's different today.
We don't pay as much attention to gasoline, and then also the moddage has very much increased.
So I think the RX-8 is going to be a real big winner, and I think it's great coming along right at this time to provide credibility for the engine.
I mean, anything that says to the world, hey, somebody else believes in this engine, Mazda Speda, I think it's about $2 billion so far on the rotary engine.
And you know that, you know, Japanese are pretty good at what they do technologically when they produce products as far as reliability.
That kind of experience and that kind of introduction at this time couldn't be better for us.
Well, you know, for the first time when NASA went into space, they ended up hiring a bunch of lobbyists.
And the lobbyists worked Washington as well as they always do.
And all of the money went where the lobbyist got the congressman to go.
And that was out of space.
So we don't have a lobby for aeronautics.
I testified before Congress last year in an effort, along with a number of other people, the head of NASA, in fact, and a couple other people who are into the new systems of aeronautics.
I was attempting, along with everybody else, to get them to provide money.
I wasn't asking for money for myself.
I was asking for money for NASA, NASA Langley, in particular.
And I was just simply saying that they needed to pay more attention to aeronautics because that's the transportation system, at least a good deal of the transportation system of the future.
But most of them weren't listening.
So we decided as a group that when they could no longer drive on the highway, which we figure is within the next 10 years, that they might start paying attention to us again.
Well, the vehicle itself is relatively stable, comparable to the, you have transport today, the large planes, but you still wouldn't want to fly through a thunderstorm.
You're going to have to fly around that.
There's not any, I mean, even commercial airliners today, as safe as they are, don't dare venture through a thunderstorm.
But you certainly have on board all of the information.
Remember, you've got the central control.
We have the kind of weather reporting accuracy that you would expect in the coming years with increasing computer capability.
So we'll know where everything is, and it'll be programmed around that.
The beauty of a virtual highway is the virtual highway can change.
It's not in concrete sitting on the ground and there's no options.
If you've got a thunderstorm, the virtual highway goes around the thunderstorm and everybody follows in line, computerized around that same storm.
It makes it very difficult to raise money because, you know, you've got to convince people who've already got so much money they don't need anymore to go and take a risky inventure when they can go and invest it in bonds that get their 5% or 10% perhaps.
So it's the average person out there who's the guy that supports us and we need supporting us and become part of this because they can come in and they can invest a small amount of money in a technology that could make them a great deal of money.
And that was an opportunity that we provided partly because of the great pressure we had to do so.
Well, there was a day that maybe a broker told me this or something, that you could have invested $500 in Sony, and of course, you and all your relatives, for as long as you can see down the timeline, would be rich and comfortable.
Oh, yeah, and I think one of the best ones that we can provide, one that has been demanding for for 25 years, is how to get the people out of burning buildings.
Because you can't go near a burning building except from above if it's a helicopter.
But with us, we can nose right up to that building.
We've got a model all laid out on the, we don't have it on the internet, but we have it in a form that people can see it, where this vehicle just noses up to a building and people offload onto it and they're brought down to the ground Four or five at a time, probably every minute.
So we think it would be a great device for rescuing people from situations that they've always wanted to have something to happen, but it hasn't been available.
And actually, interesting enough, the government did spend a lot of money on vertical takeoff in the 50s and the 60s.
They spent a great deal of capital on the part of NASA and other organizations.
And they did lose a few pilots, as you always do in any new program like that, which was worrisome to the aircraft companies because their test pilots are the most important people.
But most of these vehicles were single engines, single rotors, or single something or other.
When that failed, that was the end of the vehicle and the aircraft.
And then when 1970 came along and aerospace became the dominant thing, then there was no additional effort spent in it.
And right now in today's world, it's just something waiting to catch fire, and it's going to happen.
We know it's going to happen.
We know it's very close at hand.
It takes the money, and the money is there.
It just needs to be directed in this direction.
And I don't mean directly towards us.
I mean towards this technology in general.
We'll see a tremendous change in the way we get around in the next 10 years.
Realistically, if things go well for you and the whole concept, how many years might it be before, gee, what should I ask?
The first ones are used in some regular way versus the public having access to them.
In other words, I'm trying to get a concept of timelines here.
When the first ones, I mean, you'll be testing in the spring and we'll see it on TV and then there'll be a period and then there'll be some models made and so.
You know, you ask the question why it's taken so long.
The point really is if we can't get other people to join in this, people who have the kind of money that they've been wasting on a lot of other things that they probably could have done better with, and we have to do it ourselves as a bootstrap operation and generate our own capital as we've always done for the most part, then it's going to take longer, of course.
But I don't believe that's what's going to happen.
I believe that once we demonstrate this vehicle and once people realize that there is highways in the sky coming, then all of a sudden you're going to see a huge bunch of competitors.
Now, right now, I'm lucky.
I don't have any competitors in one hand.
I can get all kinds of patents and there's nobody out there competing with me.
But that's going to change, of course.
once you get there's a lot of smart people in America, there's a lot of good companies, and once the competition starts, but that's okay.
The money is Going to flow in a lot of directions, and I'm sure it's going to flow in ours as much as anybody else's pockets.
I'll speak for a local area, but it's not different from L.A. or Washington.
You're talking around cities mostly, but of course, people live in cities or near cities for the most part, so they've got to get out of that area.
Today, 10 years ago, I could travel from Sacramento to San Francisco in an hour or so.
Right now, I could do the same trip, and it might on one day take three hours.
If there's even a flat tire, the traffic comes to virtually a standstill for 10 miles.
We're at what's called saturation, and it only takes a perturbation, a small incident, to change it from a moving traffic system to a standstill.
And that situation, even the last two years, I've seen the traffic increase to the point that near Davis, which is precisely where I live, coming to a standstill very often.
So I have a very clear picture of what's going to happen, and I don't think it's going to be 10 years.
I think it's going to be more like three to four years in areas like this.
Other areas will survive, of course, a lot longer without problems.
Well, the military has shown a great deal of interest in what we're doing, but they're also, of course, concerned as they always are with providing funds for a small company that, in their mind, may or may not survive.
And that's why it's important for us to find a military partner, because we've done millions of dollars of contracts for the government, but usually, you know, usually because we're connected with another company that knows somebody within DARPA that can get the money.
On the merits of it, it's still unlikely that we would get a contract because we're just too small to assure the contract provider that he's going to keep his four stars if something goes wrong.
Well, actually, you know, it's interesting because they've come to us and shown us the applications.
They've put the Sky Corps on war games.
And every time the Sky Car was in the side, on one side, that side always won.
And they've spent literally millions of dollars in war games with the Sky Car.
They, however, then want to go out and get a, they issued a contract to try and get vehicles like this.
And of course, they issued the contract for vehicles like this to companies like Boeing.
And that's been quite a long time ago, and they haven't received anything since then.
So it's the same issue.
They want the vehicle very badly based on what we've been able to show them it's capable of, but they're reluctant to invest their money in a relatively small company.
Well, we're talking to all of the major companies in aeronautics today.
Actually, three of them are actually foreign, which is sort of sad because that was not the case many years ago.
There's only one aeronautical company that America has today that's civilian, and that's Boeing.
It builds military as well.
And Boeing, in my opinion, will probably not be building planes 10 years from now because Aerobus is taking the market away from them.
So it's, again, when you have a country where you're not putting money into aeronautics as we used to, then that country's lead in aeronautics, which was supreme for many, many years, is going to disappear.
And you're going to have places like France and England with their Aerobus connection building airplanes that the world is buying rather than Boeing aircraft.
All right, Doctor, then could you conceivably end up, instead of manufacturing the Skycar itself, end up, for example, making your money by licensing to, I don't know, Mitsubishi or something?
Well, directly about 20 employees, but then I have consultants from all over the United States, people who worked in the past on rotary engines, for example, experts who no longer, they've retired for the most part.
They love the rotary engine.
They were fascinated with it during the time they worked on it.
And they work for me, for the most part, free.
I'm willing to pay them, but they will answer any questions.
They never charge me a penny because they just love the engine that much.
Well, a lot of people, and even people like Bert Rutan, who's certainly a very bright person in the aeronautical field, doesn't believe that it's practical.
Now, on the other hand, Bert is not an expert in vertical takeoff.
In all fairness to him, he's an expert in airplanes.
The front page of all these magazines over the years, people tend to get jaded and they say, gee, you know, if it really could happen, it would have happened.
I think that's a big factor in it.
But that's okay.
I mean, you know, again, it's beneficiary.
I'm the beneficiary of that.
I get the opportunity to generate patents without competition, at least for a while.
like they call it the tipping point I don't know if you if you this been in
And I think that tipping point is going to come next year because I think with the credibility that we're going to be able to establish, the highways in the sky coming about, and the general interest of a number of things that are coming, we have a number of television programs that are coming out that are pretty detailed on our technology.
And I guess we're going to be on the cover of Esquire Magazine in December.
And again, if you want to see the Bottle M400, go to coasttocoastam.com.
Click right there on my guest's website.
You'll be looking right at the vehicle itself.
The Skycar.
If you've got questions, we've got Dr. Paul Muller, and we'll be right back.
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Oh, fantastic.
I spoke to you back in 95 about an idea, and you actually went ahead with it, and that was fantastic while I was working at a country club in central Missouri, solar car racing with Stanford, Berkeley, and the University of Waterloo.
I just happened to pick up an Equinox magazine off the shelf from May, June, 89.
That's a magazine of Canadian Discovery, kind of Canada's National Geographic.
And I just happened to notice under the Nexus section, up, up and away, an article with the 300 model.
And I just thought I'd briefly mention some of the things here.
It says here, Canadian Paul Mahler first studied hovercraft technology when at the age of five he watched hummingbirds in flight.
He was obviously impressed for today with a doctorate from Montreal's McGill University and 15 years teaching experience aeronautical engineering at University of California Davis.
He has created a hummingbird for humans.
Working with a staff of 25 specialists, Mahler has invented the Mahler 300 Aerobot, a 19-foot, 6-meter, 3-passenger, 1-ton, 900-kilogram vertical takeoff landing VTOL vehicle that he believes could be the solution for the world's congested roadways.
Yeah, I just wondered if he has been able to get some sort of confirmations from Bombardier and any other Canadian manufacturers, perhaps even working at the old Downsview site where the famous 50s AvroCar.
Well, I've been talking in a very oblique way with Bombardier, and people are going to come to the test flight when we fly it in the spring.
Whenever we fly it, they'll be there.
We've got a standing invitation, and they've agreed that they would like to be present.
I respect Bombardier.
They're an excellent company.
In fact, I worked for Canada for two years, which is owned by Bombardier.
So we go back historically quite a long time.
So it is very possible that Bombardier would be an excellent candidate, but they haven't shown extraordinary interest, and they certainly are, for the moment, not an investor in our company.
And they always drill into you that one of the most important things, at least for a VFR pilot, is to stay out of clouds, you know, not to go into instrument conditions.
And I guess that's one of the biggest killers of pilots.
And I was just wondering what kind of like, obviously you must have an autopilot system in the craft.
And I'm just wondering if people would have to be trained to fly on instruments, like if they were to be in the clouds or whatever, and how they would, basically how they would navigate without any of the type of, you know, the Scotland car is really the ultimate autopilot because it really takes over completely.
And I'm giving you a vision, you know, down the road a few years because at the beginning even it has on board all electronics to keep it one place in space actively or move about as commanded.
So really what you do as a pilot, you tell it where you want it to go and it'll take you there.
There is no real need to have skill.
You could fly through clouds, of course, but you're not going to fly through thunderstorms or large black clouds if you can avoid it for sure.
Nobody goes in there.
But certainly for anything else, you don't have to have visual rules because the vehicle itself will do the flying for you if you give it over to that.
In the sense that this vehicle becomes a competitor for the automobile.
And I don't mean by that it replaces necessarily, but it makes the automobile very efficient for the 50-mile distance and makes this the alternative for something over 50 miles.
For that to be significant in people's lives, this has to be completely integrated into an aerospace network.
And I think that's really one of the things when you ask the question, you know, people say it can't be done.
They have that vision if you put a bunch of these things in the air.
And I would agree that's an impossible situation.
So the organized airspace is an absolutely essential element, just like the rotary engine that we developed is an essential element for that.
That's for a wide area augmentation system, and that's the geostationary satellites that recalibrates GPS.
GPS is a series of satellites that orbits the Earth That are used as you know in your car navigation system.
There's a Russian set that's already up there, and the Galileo system is going in place from Europe.
So you're going to have three systems.
You're going to have the redundancy you need.
You'll be able to use any one of those satellites at any time to know where you are and to be and have everybody else know where you are, which is also very critical, of course.
And then, of course, as I said earlier, Honeywell was just given a contract for LAS, which is the one that will get you down to inches of accuracy.
As I said earlier, you don't have any control of the vehicle as long as it's programmed to operate within the controlled airspace.
So I don't think the blind person is going to choose to go off the airspace network because that's where he's got this great advantage.
So I think you can be absolutely certain that people will not be able to move because if they can move in any discretionary manner, they're going to run into you.
And that's very critical that each person be absolutely controlled by some central control network.
Well, you know, I'm probably the first pilot in the sense that I'm willing to fly, and I'm allowed to fly it over the lake at probably not greater than 50 feet.
Beyond that, I've already, my stockholders have already told me that it's a no-no.
So I guess that's my limit, and then we will find, at that point, we'll probably get ourself a very qualified test pilot.
And we have a number of offers, by the way, including even astronauts.
Yeah, of course, that's inherent that that'll have to come about at some point in time because anything that's out there has to, and particularly aircraft, as you know, they'll always have to be maintained in a much more rigorous way than we maintain our cars today.
So you're going to see a world where you have, as we do right now, have preventive maintenance where the vehicle itself will shut off and not operate, will not be able to take off if any of the required maintenance items has not been taken care of.
all part of the of the need to provide the reliability and safety that people are going to demand in the future as a matter of interest doctor how much maintenance is going back What about Skycar maintenance-wise?
Well, if you ask the question, all I can say is over the years, naturally, a lot of people have come to me with reports of UFOs because they think I would be an objective listener.
And actually, some very sound people have come and talked to me about it and have told me stories that are really quite impressive.
So I've got to say, over 50% of Americans believe that UFOs exist.
It's hard to imagine that statistic is there, but it's true.
And the evidence that I saw from this was pretty impressive.
Now, where that leads, I don't know.
I'm working in a much more mundane world, I can tell you.
I would certainly like to have some kind of space system, propulsion system as they might have employing perhaps anti-gravity and fusion.
But I can just say that the people who came to me have been extremely credible.
In fact, the one individual who was a deputy sheriff told me a story that he didn't even tell his wife because he was so afraid of the consequences of doing so.
So it's interesting.
I would certainly not discount the possibility that there's something out there we don't understand.
The interesting thing with parachutes is if you're going forward, even at 25 miles an hour and you pop a parachute, you've got a fairly good chance of recovering.
The worst situation is sitting there hovering.
And actually with a parachute, you probably can't recover under, perhaps with the self-deploying parachutes ballistically, maybe under 150 feet.
It would be very difficult.
So you don't really want to sit around there hovering between ground level and 150 feet.
But remember, we have a system that can tolerate an engine failure or a computer failure or any other failure that you can imagine.
And that's the critical thing.
You just don't want to spend a lot of time because you have to get out of that once you have a failure.
I think in this particular case, you have to give up this kind of privacy, at least for the convenience.
I don't see any way that you can't be identified and be a part of this system.
You just have to, they have to know who you are.
They have to know where you're going.
And clearly, with this issue of terrorism, I think it's a really great step forward to know who's up in that plane and what that flane is and where it's going.
I mean, it's better than knowing about your medical records, which I could dispute heartily.
But in this situation here, where you're talking about people's ability to get around conveniently, if that's what I have to give up to do that, I'd be happy to do it myself personally.
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And also, I heard you say it was going to be safe for a blind person to drive.
Would it also be safe for somebody who's been out drinking or out partying?
I think you're still talking about a large component of freedom here.
As long as people are staying away from the highway system, you've got these so-called recreational parks or whatever you want to call it, so I'm sure the police will have their fun getting out there and beating with people doing what they shouldn't do in that environment.
Okay, the first question is we use axial fans, carbon fiber axial fans.
They are the most efficient way of moving air as a thrusting device.
You can have other kinds of systems that have some efficiency, but we achieve efficiency close to 93% with the fans that we have developed with the help of some very excellent consultants.
Earlier you briefly mentioned the noise problem, and I was wondering if you had examined, for example, Honda's technology that they use on some of their small engines to keep the noise down, the exhaust noise especially.
Well, as Art mentioned earlier, our company was the leader in the world at one point in silencing of engines with the SuperTrap company, so we got pretty good at that.
I think, though, we have to go a step further than what we achieved at that time, and that's this mutual noise cancellation where you generate an anti-noise similar to the noise, the same frequency, so to speak, and then you phase shift it, meaning that you hit it in the valleys where the peaks are just out of phase with the existing noise.
When I knock the noise out, I knock all of the acoustical energy out.
It's like, you know, if you're throwing a rock at me, I throw a rock back at you, and it hits dead in the center, and that's the energy is gone, and that's the energy that would hurt your ears.
And we've got somebody who leads the way himself on it right now, Dr. Paul Mahler, designer, perhaps producer, of the Sky Car.
It's a real thing, the real McCoy.
It's about to be airborne in the spring for the world's press.
It'll happen over a lake, and it may well be your future mode of transportation.
chance to talk to dr muller coming right up Once again, Dr. Mahler.
Doctor, before it gets away from me here, is there anything that we should have talked about this time in this interview that we didn't cover in depth sufficiently or that we didn't cover at all?
Well, there's only one thought that occurred to me.
You know, obviously, as popular as your show is, when you give a website like ours, we only found out we were going to be together here earlier in the week, so we really didn't have a chance to prepare our website for the onslaught.
So if your readers or your listeners have a delay getting to us, be patient.
Well, the airline, about 80% of the flights today are about the range of the Skycar.
So if, in fact, you offload it, as you know, airports are becoming completely impacted by the short flights.
And if you want to take a long flight, you suffer the same consequences because of that.
So if Skycars really offloaded airports, and as I said, about 80% of the flights are the range of the Skycar, meaning they could be handled by vehicles like that, then airports have become far more efficient as highways would become, because again, about 85% of the miles traveled on the highway are 50 miles or more.
So again, I'm sorry, less than 50 miles.
So that, in fact, the Skycar could replace a great deal of that that is out there.
Well, again, as I said earlier, we have four computers on board, all programmed by different programmers.
I mean, that's not the whole answer to it.
You've obviously got to have different firewalls and other protections for the various computers.
But I think that what we would want to do always is make sure that we have a number of different systems so that a virus is unlikely to kill all of them.
Again, if that should happen, I presume that what the system would do is go into a land mode, automatic land mode, and be landed if that extreme case were to occur.
I was just wondering, to raise capital awareness in joint ventures, if Mr. Mueller has talked to Paul McCready of Aero Environment or Ballard Fuel Cell Technology to try to clean up the propulsion.
And I also wondered if there's a possibility for promotional purposes if someone, say, like John Travolta, who's a Qantas spokesman pilot actor, could be utilized alongside with, say, various past famous astronauts and people like lead majors and, say, Jensen's animation to put some promotional hype for capital and awareness.
Well, I hope some of them are listening to the show tonight because really the problem often is getting through to talk to these people.
We always feel that if we had the opportunity to sit down with many of these people who could do us a lot of good, that we would certainly convince them.
But they are so normally sheltered by their protectors around them.
And we do the same thing in our company, of course.
I'm fairly well protected from people coming in that it becomes almost impossible to even have an opportunity to talk to these people.
But undoubtedly, with shows like this and other things coming up, as I mentioned earlier, with Esquire Magazine and Tech TV and Discovery, I would expect we will find that they will come to see us.
So you end up doing what's called a foyer analysis, picking up the dominant frequencies and then tuning those individual microphones for But that's noise.
As you know, sound is a logarithmic thing, so most of the energy is carried in very few frequencies.
Right.
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Is there a certain transducer you would use, a cardioid?
I'm not an expert in that, but I have people around me who are, and I've got consultants who I work with who would do this, and they certainly would know more about it than I, so I'm sorry I can't answer that specific question.
Well, you know, I would say that would be a hard question to answer a few years ago, but with the movements taking place right now and the fact that they recognize that they have a serious problem, I mean, there's no question about the fact that they are promising that 10 years from now, there will not be a single fatality in the air.
I mean, this is what the FBA is promising.
And the only way they're going to deliver on that is to make those kinds of changes that would make that possible and getting the air controller, who obviously does a great job of what he's doing, but he's a human and he's dealing with a huge amount of information, something the computer can handle much better.
And so I think it's a world that I think is extremely promising from existing aircraft and certainly the opportunity it provides aircraft like ours.
I'm sitting there, and I'm sitting in the dark because I don't, like, cognito, waiting for somebody to come along, try to break into a car or something.
And I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden I see this really bright shine of light.
Well, most of them, if they're as quiet as we intend them to be, you wouldn't even know they're there because most of them would be from 5,000 feet to 20,000 feet.
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Well, what about the zone where they have to interact before getting up there?
That seems like the big question.
If people are going to take off from their rooftops, they have to get up there somehow, and there's going to be all kinds of chaos when you said they were unregulated up to the point they'd reached the highway, right?
You take off from your house today in the city, you follow a street, correct?
And you follow that street perhaps to some destination.
This destination could be a vertiport, where so you would follow a virtual highway or roadway or streetway for some distance until you get to the takeoff point.
With this kind of accuracy that we're talking about with WAS and LAS that I mentioned earlier, you're talking about control within inches at all times.
And I mean, that is an absolute guarantee that's possible.
Unfortunately, I can't answer that question because I'm, as president of the company, I'm actually not allowed to do so.
But there is an internet site, if you want to look at it, and it's geocities slash, gosh, I don't have it tidy in front of me, but it's, I tell you what, call my company and get the website that has all of the information on that because I believe the stockholders in my company are very important.
I wondered if Dr. Mueller has any idea whatever happened to a competitor that had a flying car that was shaped like a giant kazoo that had two engines mounted horizontally.
And there was a gentleman, I believe, from Norway who had purchased the licensing rights.
I would argue that it has a number of the elements that make the helicopter risky, a number of moving parts, any one of which fails, the aircraft is going to fail.
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He was supposed to unveil it at the Lillehammer Winter Olympics, and I saw it at the Toronto Star full-page spread, and I just thought, well, it seemed to be the most type I've ever seen of any flying car, even though yours looks much safer and more sophisticated.
But I just thought, well, sure.
It's not happening.
Perhaps you have to get it over and dump it with yours.
Well, look, we're out of time for the program, but coming up in the spring, this is kind of, I'm sure, the next time my listeners will suddenly hear from and or see you this coming spring, big demonstration above the lake, and that'll be covered by the major media, correct?
One of you out there sent me an email and said, hey, Art, why don't you interview a vampire?
And they put a link there, and I clicked on the link, right?
I mean, why not?
And it comes up with this incredible website, and it's got a skull with wings.
At the top, it says, Temple of the Vampire.
By the way, you can go see this for yourself.
Be my guest.
It's at coastcoastam.com.
And then in blood red, just below, that's right, blood red, it says, do you want to live forever?
Well, I was hooked and decided to pursue a guest on this subject.
And in fact, that is my guest website.
Now, you can get to a bygoingcoastcoastam.com and then clicking on my guest's link right there.
And that's what you're going to get hit with in blood red.
Do you want to live forever?
So just go up to the point on the website there on the upper right-hand side where it says Vampire Temple and click on that.
And that's where you're headed.
Anyway, that's the way Nemo, who is a living vampire, got here.
He's a member of the secret society known as the Temple of the Vampire.
He's a member of the Temple Priesthood and a Temple Master Adept.
The Temple is an international church devoted to the vampire religion, legally registered with the U.S. government since 1989.
The primary text describing the temple teachings is the vampire Bible, which can be found at www.vampiretemple.com forward slash vault.
That's right, Vault, B-A-U-L-T-Vault.
Temple members are true vampires, members of the vampire religion.
Vampirism is not easily understood in America, or anywhere, really, and is reserved only to those who were born to the blood, those who feel the draw of the night,
those who find that they are different from the herd of humanity and that they just virtually Glory in that difference to find those who are of the blood but have been unaware of their heritage is the mission and purpose of the temple to find those born of the blood.
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And in fact, to actually answer that question does require a little bit of background, but fundamentally, even the first advertisement that you had on your program for HGH, human health, can't even say it, human growth hormone is an example of life extension.
When people go to any kind of a group where there is a lot of energy that's being put out, such as football games, religious revivals, there's a tremendous amount of power that goes out.
This evening I went to one of the commercial haunted houses.
I think it's because it is wrapped very much around the concept of death.
And there's one thing that is absolutely true in our culture is that the avoidance of considering death, thinking about death, is very much a driving force in our psychology.
So anything that challenges that is very much going to be forbidden.
It's going to come up as a problem.
So what it amounts to is that if you frankly talk to people and you just say, look, would you like to live forever?
And I suggest that anyone listening try this.
I don't care, pick 10 people at random that you know.
Part of this comes from the fact that through history, up to this point, people have not been able to do so.
Everyone who is born and becomes aware of death, usually when they're children, are, frankly, horrified at the thought that they have to say goodbye to people that they love and care for, that someday they'll have to say goodbye themselves.
And this underlying fear, we have never had the experience of having human beings walk around who have been physically immortal or about to do so.
Like, first of all, in order to understand the temple, when people look at these ideas, and they're important ideas, it's very important to realize that to grasp what is true requires more than just one viewpoint.
And so we actually have three perspectives or structures of viewing the world called the day side, the night side, and the twilight.
In the same way that everything on this world is divided into day and night, conscious, unconscious.
There's a lot of divisions which make a great deal of sense.
So from this same perspective for immortality, from the day side common sense practical perspective, the temple suggests that physical immortality is right around the scientific corner.
The human genome project was just finished about two years ago.
They've identified the cell clock, which limits the lifespan of human beings.
If you try to hold a viewpoint that is contradicted internally, it's going to be very difficult to be consistent in what you do and what you think.
So we recommend that people remove delusions and illusions from their day side.
That's a very big part of what we do.
And then that enables them to move more of the elements of the night side, of the things that are considered paranormal, into their day side, where it actually becomes part of their life, becomes a normal part.
So for example, from the night side view, we take life force, it vitalizes the body, it enables consciousness.
Then the stage beyond that is that we do a lot of work with lucid dreaming and out-of-body experience.
And one of the big keys to out-of-body experience is to wake up.
We take the perspective that whenever a person sleeps, they're out of body anyway.
The key is, can you become aware of the fact that that's happening when it's happening?
And so then there are other details that are attached to this.
But fundamentally, when a person physically dies, what we expect happens is that the conscious divides from the unconscious.
There simply isn't enough coherence, cohesion, energy to keep everything together.
And so one of the features of learning to practice the taking of life force, we call vampirism, is in order so that when a person does physically die, if they don't make it through to where we can keep the same physical bodies, then they'll be able to maintain consciousness, keep the link to the unconscious where all of your memories are, and thereby be able to continue.
Now that continuation, we also hold, all of these things come through the temple teachings, which have been transmitted to us from people who have succeeded in doing this.
And as a consequence, we arrange to preserve the body as opposed to cremating if we can possibly do so, because that gives you more time.
Yeah, but you're talking about people that are physically dying, right?
Pardon me?
I guess I'm confused.
You're talking about people that are physically dying and things that, in ways you can prepare them for that, but not telling me how you avoid it altogether.
what it amounts to is that once you learn the trick of being able to be out of body then there is the possibility of taking a body when it is no longer being occupied if you follow me all right so i don't know that the other people who are we view as being the successful You know, let me just slide something in here.
And one of the things that they say, and maybe you would want to challenge this, is that when you're out-of-body, there is zero possibility, no possibility, that some other entity or form could take your body whilst you're away.
They say it's impossible.
Now, it sounds to me like you're saying, oh, but it is possible.
And that is that fundamentally you are not in a body right now anyway.
It seems that way to so many people, but that's some of the illusions that need to be lifted.
When a person understands where they're really operating from, and I do mean that spatially, then it becomes much easier to understand how it would be possible to work through another person's physical body.
The very fact that possession is talked about so much would indicate that there might be something to it.
The many people whom I do have great respect for, such as Bullman, for example, with his work with out-of-body experience, will state that to their experience such a thing is not possible, and they give good reasons why they think so.
Yes, indeed.
The difference is that we have people who have experiences that disagree.
Well, it may just simply be that they haven't had those experiences.
You know, if on the one hand you agree with the premise that it's possible to leave your body, and a lot of people, a lot of my listeners, know that it is true, then it only made sense to me that if you knew what you were doing, you could virtually occupy one of those bodies if you chose to.
There's a lot of fear which is attached to death, which is deeply embedded into human beings.
It's always been the case.
And when people are attempting, and I applaud their efforts, anyone, to learn to rise above the physical, to learn to leave the body in that sense, then any fear that would cause them to hesitate, to dive back in, to be shocked, and therefore become more physically aware and therefore to abort that effort, that is a problem.
And so, of course, the idea that there would be all kinds of lurking monsters ready to jump into your body and take over and possess you can be a source of fear.
The thing is, is that for whatever reason there is, it does seem that that kind of issue is not a real problem.
Secondarily, it isn't really, to my experience, an issue of a person being unable to protect themselves or something.
There aren't that many bodies that are being sought.
And when that occasion occurs, it's usually at a person's death.
It's when someone is going to be severely injured, but there is a chance for recovery.
There's sometimes people who, in a very real sense, aren't very much there to begin with.
And so as a consequence, there isn't really, if you will, an occupant.
Again, the idea that we are in a body to begin with.
We consider a physical anchor required in order to contain and maintain consciousness such that it moves the life force to where you are, so to speak.
If you cut off your ability to have energy, pressure on the carotid arteries of the next few seconds, I believe it's six usually, a person loses consciousness.
Well, insofar as wanting to keep my own personal identity somewhat under control, not too much that's personal, but in terms of the teachings, in terms of what this is about as a religion, as a practice, the goals, the benefits, the means to achieve it, questioning drawbacks other people might have concerns with, no problem.
I was expecting people to ask me what they thought that would be.
There are two elements that I think that really do count as being a downside.
One is that, and I've already seen this in my own relatively short life, and that is that you see people that you do care for who do embrace a deafist perspective, which is our universal cultural view, and will reject being able to continue.
What seems to be true is that, and there are many theories, even we are not certain, but the people who are attracted to actually wanting to endure and are willing to actually do something about it and develop experiences and test them and face a lot of these fears, a very, very small fraction of the human population.
As a consequence, what we found is that generally, in terms of mates and relationships, the people who get along with each other share those views.
It's very rare to find someone who is truly a vampire who will not be attracted to another person who is.
And it's very rare that relationships will work out that are not.
What we do find is that because of the way of looking at the world, that practical answers to very real-world problems, including better relationships, marriages, do seem to come as a consequence of applying the temple teachings.
Well, it's not necessarily a physical thing at all, but in the very real sense that we care for our children, absolutely.
And what that stems from primarily is just simply giving them a good, clear, rational understanding of what is going on in the world, dispelling illusions, encouraging them to not discount paranormal phenomena when it does happen, reassuring them that things can work out, and basically when they're ready, as they grow up and become adults, being able to make intelligent choices about those kinds of things.
And we've already seen people who've done this, so that's not an issue.
Well, worship would imply working for, which I believe is the derivation of the word originally.
In that sense, serving and working for your own family makes perfect sense.
The undead gods are really us when we're freed of delusion and we're astrally free.
It isn't someone else.
One of the major things in the vampire religion is that if in the sense of being the most important person in your world you would consider that to be God, then we view the vampire God as you.
If you accomplish that, you get to basically say, well, that's me.
It was only started, it was suggested strongly in 1988, approved in 1989.
That's when we went public.
It's an experiment to see whether or not we can approach people consciously who are candidates as opposed to the old way, which is primarily unconscious.
So then this is a kind of an experiment to see if you can interface successfully without getting murdered, burned at the stake, or otherwise maimed or mutilated, right?
Actually, this is more of an experiment rather than worrying about security, as it is to see, is it possible to approach human beings consciously with the teachings as opposed to unconsciously, which has been the way it's always been.
There's been long debate for many, many, many years, and there have been different approaches that have approximated it, but nothing was ever approved before.
So far, it seems to be going quite well with those people who do pass through all the filters, and the filters are self-imposed.
There has been a viewpoint that by using the word vampirism, we are also being very direct with saying, yes, we are taking life force that is given off by humans.
We are saying that we prefer life over physical death, being permanent.
That we have an attitude of being, if you will, a predator towards human beings.
Not in the sense of killing them, but in the sense of taking advantage of what they are unwilling to do themselves.
The life force energy that is given out is not necessarily directly correlated to the physical energy that a person will necessarily feel.
So if a person feels suddenly drained by the presence of someone else, many possibilities to explain that.
Generally, without trying to sound negative about this, but if you think of the way we have dairy cows that produce milk, you don't milk them, the cow becomes uncomfortable.
You see, it's necessary to kind of read in between the lines of what you say, because I realize you're very adept at putting things in an almost acceptable way, you know, for people to listen to and say, well, hey, vampirism, I never thought about it that way.
The original mythology in our culture of vampires was suitably debunked, I would say, in a book by, I think his name was Barber, put out by Princeton Press, explaining how a misunderstandings about the nature of physical death produced a lot of the vampire mythology.
But at the same time, if you go back with open eyes and look at what's been written in the oldest writings of the different religions, you find that, frankly, the earliest versions of the different gods were vampiric very definitely.
How many others, assuming we have millions listening right now, how many others of the blood do you think that might be listening that don't know or maybe only suspect they are of the blood?
Because we're not really sure just how much there is the bridge between where people are and where they could go in order to be able to prove these things to themselves.
We assume that's the case, and it does seem to be the case.
If you deal with someone who has had memory lapses in a normal situation, an Alzheimer's patient, sometimes in the early stages, it's really difficult to realize how much they are confabulating as opposed to actually remembering.
You have to admit, you have to admit as you listen to him that he's very serious, with a good humor, I might add, about what he says he is, and that's a vampire.
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We're interviewing a vampire.
Nemo is his name.
He's a real vampire, as far as that goes.
And I'm trying to learn, naturally, as much as I can about vampirism.
And I'm trying not to make too many jokes, but it's really hard.
anyway we'll get back to the mall in a moment because i do know he is serious Once again, here's Nemo, a real vampire.
nemo this is something all part of head down for after really ask i just do because i've seen every vampire movie are probably ever made so many of them and i noticed that vampires seemed to have a uh...
a particular interest in and women in low-cut dresses particularly and and and you know i was going to ask about that whether it was actual exposure to the neck or just, you know, the, well, Then I realized that we all have that interest.
But there isn't anything to that beyond that, is there?
Well, apart from the idea that it's belief is so much as we've been taught and that we're seeing happen, but the temple teaches that consciousness is primary.
The usual view that most people have is that matter is primary and that the physical universe generates human beings, generates mind, much as liver oozes bile.
And we take the opposite perspective.
It's only really been, oh, I would say in the last 10 or 15 years, I'm holding a book in my hand written by a physics professor in Eugene, Oregon at the University of Oregon, Amit Goswami, Ph.D. wrote an excellent book called The Self-Aware Universe, which is one of the very first Western explanations for the concept that consciousness is the foundation of reality and not the other way around, not matter.
That's where people have validated that the undead gods are real and they've also taken an oath of fealty.
Then the fourth circle has validated that applying the nine laws of magic, which are explained in our works, which are how to function with that precise issue you're describing, the consciousness which is you, which we call the dragon, the self, then to produce real results when they're obtaining that, then they testify and validate and enter fourth circle.
Fifth circle has validated the nature of the self, which we call the dragon, and has experienced the twilight perspective that we call lucid waking.
Our simple perspective is to view reality as a Dream.
Waking up in a dream at night, it's called lucid dreaming, tends to give you more control over the elements of the dream.
To wake up in this dream is lucid waking.
That's the twilight, and that is the high goal of the temple to create lucid waking.
So we have nine laws of magic, which are structures based on a four-dimensional model that explains using these dimensions with the details, the diagrams, precisely how and why to manipulate the very thing that you're talking about.
I would suggest that you're concerned with backing away from it is really impossible.
You're it to begin with.
It's just an issue of do you wish to try to work with it, perhaps?
We try to teach them: all right, here's the controls.
It's like driving a car.
Make sure you put it in the first gear, apply the gas steadily, make sure you're steering properly, look in your rearview mirror if you're going to back up first.
Very simple things that can be applied in order to do what you're doing but doing it more consciously.
And the apocalypse on that level symbolizes that personal reality.
On a global level, for the world as a whole, it's clear that we're on the brink of incredible changes, which will even change what it means to be human.
For instance, molecular nanotechnology, as envisioned by Eric Drexler in his book, Engines of Creation from almost 20 years ago, will do for physical matter what computers have done for information in terms of control.
What we now call magic will become science as that comes into reality.
And there's six nations with tremendous budgets working on that and breakthroughs occurring all the time.
So we really do expect physical immortality right around the corner for ending aging alone.
Seeing old people grow young and no longer having people who are born facing physical death is an inevitability is going to have a tremendous impact on every aspect of society.
We recommend the calling of the undead gods, which we call communion in the vampire Bible.
It's a structured approach to making initial contact.
We recommend persons first understand how to draw life force so they'll accumulate a quantity.
And then when they go into a ritual, and it does not have to be ritual, but it simply is a good way to structure things so that people basically do it right, if you will, a means to make contact, then the life force that is excess then that has been brought together above what you need is given to those who have been contacting you.
They in turn return it to the member.
This is called the reign of mercy.
This carries with it the unconscious learning patterns from that more developed person to help the member advance more rapidly.
Frankly, all knowledge, all skills that we really possess are unconscious.
That's where the memories are.
And it is possible to have direct transmission to the unconscious.
In fact, this entire temple approach of going through the conscious mind, we hope will be as effective as the old ways, but it certainly still has to be tested thoroughly.
It does seem to be working.
So the teachings of the temple are nothing more than attempting to put into words what is transmitted by the undead.
When you were asking about the future, I should also probably mention that from a nightside perspective, the temple teaches that the current state of human consciousness is quite unstable, fairly recent in terms of history.
Probably one of the most excellent demonstrations, I thought, of this was written by Dr. Julian Jaynes of Princeton in his book, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.
And we do expect to see that more stable condition come to most people and not very far away, especially as people acquire longer lives.
So as this consciousness shift happens, it'll be tremendously upsetting.
A great deal of violence will probably occur as a consequence.
And so I just, again, calling yourself vampires, even though perhaps that is an accurate description, even loosely based on what you've said, would seem to have such a downside as to not be worth doing, but rather to rethink your name.
I'm not sure I'd need a little time, but I mean something with a better public relations ring to it.
I want to let the audience ask you some questions, if you wouldn't mind.
And it would sound to me as though you probably are and definitely do have that sensitivity.
We have some people who come to us who have to develop that sensitivity, but they have other things that drive them to be with us.
One thing you did mention I might want to suggest that you might want to challenge, when you absorb energy that is given off by other human beings or animals to a lesser extent, it's just not as strong, and you feel that it has a negative or a positive connotation or it's carrying a thought force or emotions of a certain nature, be careful that that isn't something that you may not be projecting.
Generally, gasoline is gasoline.
You might get octane of different types, but fundamentally it's still gasoline.
It isn't water.
The emotions, I've had a lot of people over the years who will have this concern initially when they're working with this, that, oh, well, what if I see someone who's really a negative person, they're really unhappy, they're miserable, whatever, and I pick up their energy.
I'm also picking up these emotions.
It does not have to be.
You can recognize eventually, if you'll test it, that this is actually a projection that you're adding to your perception.
Let's give an example that probably will make it a little clearer, and I'll try to answer that.
If you are encountering someone who is, as you say, behaving in a negative way, they're shouting at you, they're calling you names, they're threatening you, you will have a reaction.
You will have a reaction.
Now, if you're going to assume that when you're absorbing the energy that is being radiated out of their body, that that is carrying that communication, what you're really doing is you are adding to the akasha, to the life force which is coming to you, the assumption that this is also affecting you.
It really comes down to the real question is how do you deal with people who behave in that way?
i was wondering if you'd like to discuss his affiliations with the vampire church the church of satan the old business cards decoder rings uh...
and a few other things you buy off the site and currently still can under the emporium sections and also i kind of want to dispute the facts he makes about Okay.
However, I should be very clear that the majority, the vast majority of the people who belong to the temple are not involved with that particular religion at all.
I'm just an exception to the rule, fundamentally.
Our webmaster is a part of that, and the emporium that she's referring to is at the Church of Satan website, which does carry a couple of items that are related to the temple or has in the past.
This should be intensely interesting as there appears to be some sort of schism in vampirism.
I'm Mark Down.
Well, there's schisms in most religions, so I suppose why not here, too?
Oh, I've got to ask the light question, don't I?
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I think that of people who are attracted to the vampire mythos, that there are some who have the potential to actually do that, and that they basically confuse, as I said before, the reality with the symbolism.
These are the people you were talking about, Hollywood.
I would say they're the ones who missed the boat.
That doesn't mean that it's permanent, but let's be quite straightforward, that's not exactly a very acceptable practice in polite company.
So it's highly sexually charged.
There's a lot of blood fetish issues that are attached to that, and we just simply wanted to be very clear from the beginning that this religion has nothing to do with that.
She did say one thing that I think is perhaps relatively valid.
It is possible to draw in life force when a person might be drinking blood from someone, but also from having a handshake, from having a close experience with them, from being in the same area.
There's many, many ways to do that.
That is probably the major thing.
We do not permit people to drink liquid human blood in the Temple of the Vampire.
It is just simply because it is not necessary.
And I'm not really qualified, but I have read people who dispute the nutritional value.
And part of the issue is that the energy which comes through the human body is highly condensed, and it's also in parallel with our own.
The morphogenic shape that surrounds the human body that helps to maintain physical reality of the body matches our own.
The further you move away from a human being, the less that you're easily able to relate to that.
After all, pranayama from the different yogic practices is just another version of working with life force, and commonly yogis will work with simply drawing it in from the atmosphere.
This requires a tremendous amount of work, though, years and years.
When a person who has the sensitivity to feel it does it with a human being, they absorb some of the human energy, things are entirely different.
I might mention also that with the yogic approaches, there's so much attention paid to being in the presence of a master, having darshan.
And that is probably because they are finally tapping into human life force, which is more powerful.
It does seem that when people are working with out-of-body experience, initially, that there is a large problem with electromagnetic forces in their presence, which can cause difficulty.
And there are two things to be taken into account, in my opinion.
This is an excellent question.
Even if there are younger people listening who have not had someone that they know as an adult pass away, most people have had pets, cats, dogs, and that can be very difficult.
The answer, in my opinion, is, first of all, that it is painful to have anything go wrong.
However, the people who are drawn to following this path and to embrace, to literally say, I'm not going to be a spiritual tourist.
I'm going to commit to life on earth.
I'm going to be here.
I'm going to remain conscious.
I'm going to build my memories.
I'm going to try to acquire knowledge about the way things are.
And I'm going to assume that the glass is half full instead of half empty.
Now that means that there will be things that will come that are tragic.
But there will also be new things.
The fact that we're speaking on a telephone 150 years ago, impossible.
100 years ago, no radio.
Look at the things that are on the internet.
There are so many amazing and wonderful things that are coming to us that it's as if for the first time in human history we're just getting the sense that the curtain is about to rise on the real show.
It's a shame when people give up before they have their opportunity to be there.
I would just say to anyone who's even feasibly considering staying around to do so.
I should mention just briefly, because one of the reasons I did not make a point out of the fact that I happen to personally be a member of the Church of Satan, I had the pleasure to meet Anton Levey, who founded that church before his death.
I met him back in around 1986.
And it was really remarkable.
reason i got to meet him was because many of the things that he put together in building his religion parallel things that i knew to be correct uh...
he was very much uh...
not a He used that fundamentally in order to shock people, to get their attention, and because he thought it was fun.
Very brilliant man, an excellent musician.
I was delighted to know him, and I have many friends who are in that.
But quite frankly, people who actually investigate that particular organization discover that they also forbid criminal activity and basically are nice people if you get to know the people who are really there.
I have belonged to other organizations of many different kinds.
I have never belonged consciously, and I'm pretty sure still am not, a member of any criminal organizations.
But I'm willing to go and look at anything in order to see if there's something valuable there.
He's obviously intellectual and smart and pretty damn smooth.
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But you know, I've been, people have taken my energy without my permission and I didn't like it.
But I know how I just would go back and take mine back.
Wouldn't take any other because I said, no, I said, God want to take mine back.
And if you're feeding off of people and that's the only way you get your energy, and you can't get it from God because you don't believe in him or worship him, isn't that sort of like you're feeding off other people and that's how you survive?
I mean, like, after a while, you're just going to be feeding off one another, and then there won't be any, well, actually, there won't be any energy left because it'll be dead.
I would suggest that we are discussing two different things.
What you are describing was actually an effect on your emotions And thoughts that you felt was being disturbed by another person, probably telepathically from your description, and that you rejected that invasion, if you will, or that attempt to manipulate you or draw away from you.
The other item was you mentioned God, and I'm going to suggest that the enlightenment is breaking free of the illusion regarding this, that you are a separate self to begin with.
The de-identification teaching from the temple rapidly allows the member to validate that the personal self is not really there.