Craig Wynn, a former "vapor billionaire," reveals his undercover meetings with al-Qaeda and Fatah extremists post-9/11, where operatives cited Quranic verses like "Slay the infidels wherever you find them" (Surah 9) as literal justification for attacks, including U.S.-funded weapons used against civilians. Wynn argues Islam’s scriptures mandate conquest, punish dissenters, and reward violence—funded by Saudi oil money controlling 80% of American mosques—while dismissing treaties as temporary tools. He warns of impending thermonuclear or radiological strikes, framing his mission as exposing a "coercive, hellish doctrine" to prevent future catastrophes like biblical Gog and Magog’s rise. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, you've got to remember that I have this arrangement of radio towers here at the house.
I have, you know, a hundred-foot radio tower with an antenna topping out around 110.
Then I have six more two-inch steel towers that go up 75 feet each.
I mean, I'm like Ben Franklin holding onto a kite.
Last night, a storm, you know, late storm, really a bad one too, came rolling in from the southwest.
I was on the air on ham radio at the time, and you know, the static begins to get louder and louder and louder.
Anyway, here comes this monster of a storm with lightning bolts everywhere.
And with all of this, it's like I'm saying, here lightning, hear lightning.
And it got so bad last night that I was standing in the living room with a fire extinguisher in my arms for a little while.
I'm going, hon, we're going to get hit.
There's no way it can miss it.
We're going to get hit.
It just can't miss us.
Well, thankfully, we did not get hit.
But I really thought we were going to, so I thought it was the end of the world for a while.
It really has been pretty bad, flash flooding and a lot of real serious weather.
But radio, of course, continues to be the central focus of my little retired life, KNYE Radio, the FM radio station we own here that we dearly love.
I tell you, it's great for a radio guy like me because if you have your own radio station, then all the stuff, you know, that you had to put up with earlier in your career from 5 million program directors and managers who always thought they knew exactly what was the right thing to do and you knew it was wrong, you get to do it.
When you own the place, you get to do it.
So we're having a lot of fun with that.
And Ramona and myself have sort of split the workload.
And we both take care of specific areas.
She's very good at what she does.
Very, very good.
So, you know, then ham radio takes up my life, of course, and radio really in any form at all.
Life in general here in the desert seems to be mysterious and reassuring.
And by the way, the Matt Drudge-inspired rumor that I am going to come out of retirement and do a show exclusively on XM Radio is in its specific details totally wrong, but mysterious and reassuring at the same time.
Now my back, that which took me out of radio, is better.
Now why is my back better?
Well, aside from the fact that I exercise, take my little back pills, and I've lost 50 pounds.
Since I left you in retirement January 1st, 2003, I have lost 50 pounds.
And so my back, no longer needing to carry around my swollen belly, is happier.
And if my belly is happier, my back is happier, and I'm happier.
So that's a whole lot better.
That situation is, well, at the moment, I'm beating the surgeons, right?
So I'm really cool for that.
And in most other ways, I really find the world to be really very much in the same condition as the last time we met, whenever it was I last did the program.
And in fact, the last day I retired from the program.
The world really just hasn't changed that much, has it?
I still, for example, have not the slightest clue about why we went to war.
I don't know.
I still don't know why we went to war.
It seems to me that before you risk the lives of American men and women, you have a specific reason why you go to war.
And I didn't see the reason then, which was a very unpopular statement at the time, and I don't see it now.
When perhaps it's more of a popular statement, according to the polls, I guess, the American people getting bone tired of seeing their young people die there.
Our climate continues its profound change, profound change, while we continue to argue about whose fault it all is instead of adapting and changing to meet the inevitable.
Many of us continue to ignore that which we cannot explain.
That's always been the case, hasn't it?
The world is really full of great mystery, huh?
Which explains, in my opinion, the success of programs of this genre.
Looking at the world And what the headlines are tonight, it will be relevant to what we will do in the next hour with Craig Wynn.
The headline is: U.S. faces tough sell in the U.N. U.S. calls for help, gets chilly reply.
France and Germany refused Thursday to support a U.S. draft resolution that would spread the burden of running post-war Iraq.
American officials want to speed up training for Iraqi security forces, including former members of Saddam's military and intelligence services.
Oh, yeah, good.
Put them back in service.
Defense Secretary Rumsfeld said Thursday, making Iraq safe is a job for Iraqis.
And no more U.S. troops are needed in the country.
Meanwhile, France is, oh, it's France that they should ever send any troops.
England is trying to decide whether they need to send more troops to Iraq right now.
Translation for all of this, the administration is getting bone tired of seeing the headlines every day of more Americans, more GIs killed in Iraq.
And of course, as they are, the president's approval rating plummets with that.
So we'll talk, obviously, more about that in the next hour.
And oh, by the way, tomorrow night, open lines.
Anything you want to talk about tomorrow night is fair game.
For a second time this year, a federal judge has thrown out a class action lawsuit that blames McDonald's for making people fat.
So to me, the question is not why this was tossed out of court, but why it ever got it in the first place.
Now, why in the world would anybody sue McDonald's for making them fat?
I mean, it's not like McDonald's pushed burgers down their little throats, is it?
Hand of mouth, hand to mouth, hand to mouth.
That's incredible.
But it is an indication of the kind of world we live in today.
People would even try that.
Virus found in wild animals captured and sold for food in China is they're now finding genetically very similar to a virus that infects humans with SARS, suggesting the disease jumped from animals to humans and might do it again, they say.
There's going to be a lot more of that, in my opinion, in coming times.
It's going to be a lot more of viruses jumping from the animal kingdom to the human kingdom.
I think you can look for a whole lot more of that.
Now, back to what I mentioned about the profoundly changing weather, a couple of items here.
One, after I was on last time, in an astonishing announcement on global warming and extreme weather, the World's Meteorological Organization signaled that the world's weather is going haywire.
In a startling report, the WMO, which normally produces detailed scientific reports and staid statistics at the year's end, highlighted record extremes in weather and climate occurring all over the world in recent weeks, from Switzerland's hottest ever June to a record month for tornadoes in the U.S. Don't forget all the deaths in France.
Link them to climate change.
The unprecedented warning takes its force and significance from the fact that it is not coming from Greenpeace nor Friends Earth, but from an impeccably respected UN organization that is not given to hyperbole.
Environmentalists will, of course, seize on it, claim the direst warnings of climate change are being borne out.
Now, the Geneva-based body to which the weather services of 185 countries contribute takes the view that events this year in Europe, America, and Asia are so remarkable that the world needs to be made aware of it immediately.
The extreme weather it documents, such as record high and low temperatures, record rainfall, record storms in different parts of the world, is consistent with predictions of global warming.
Supercomputer models show that as the atmosphere warms, the climate not only becomes hotter, but much more unstable.
Recent scientific assessments indicate that as the global temperatures continue to warm due to climate change, the number and intensity of extreme events will increase.
And then I noted, I think it was about a month ago, I started getting these emails indicating that the Atlantic Ocean, certain parts of the Atlantic Ocean, had suddenly become cold, very cold.
And that's a deep concern, without question.
For example, here, David Quinlan, who's a surfer from Maryland's eastern shore, knows what cold seawater feels like.
It makes exposed flesh feel like it's burning, sets hands and feet to tingling, numbs the body, and after repeated dunkings, produces painful ice cream headaches, right?
The 38-year-old architect expects all of that when he surfs the frigid waters off Ocean City in January, but he does not expect it in the middle of summer.
But that's just what he encountered when he paddled his board into the surf about two weeks ago.
I've never experienced anything like it in my whole life, he recounted, where the water right along the shore could be that radically cold.
Now, he is not alone in His observations, surfers, lifeguards, anglers, and others who regularly dip a toe into the Atlantic have noticed this summer that water, which is typically bathwater warm, has occasionally become suddenly feeward cold.
During most of the month of July, our water temperatures were, I would say, right around normal, according to Captain Butch Arbin, head of the Ocean City Beach Patrol.
That's in the low 70s, but about two weeks ago, he said there was a tremendous change in temperature, dropping as much as 10 degrees overnight.
And I was wondering how the temperature of the ocean would drop 10 degrees overnight.
But I have a feeling it's part of the global climate change, and it's part of, well, I'm not altogether sure what it is.
Some people blame it on the sun, some global warming, some the hand of man, some natural cycles.
But to me, it really doesn't matter what it is, but we must recognize that, in fact, it is happening and begin doing something about it pretty soon.
Or surprise, surprise, areas in the U.S. where we used to be able to grow stuff.
We won't be able to grow stuff anymore.
Maybe they will in Canada, but we won't.
Now you've got to make changes.
You've got to adapt to the changing climate.
Or else.
Or this from BBC.
Headline, Earth hits 2,000-year warming peak.
The Earth would appear to have been warmer since 1980 than at any time in the last 18 centuries, according to scientists.
They reconstructed the global climate data derived from ice cores.
You know, they can dig down and look.
It's like tree rings, right?
Vegetation and other records.
They believe their research provides unequivocal confirmation that humans are affecting the climate.
Well, you know, I don't know if it's humans, but it's something, and it is changing.
Or how about this?
Here's a nice one.
The Alps are collapsing.
The Alps!
Scientists think that global warming will melt the Alps over the next 20 years.
The Alps, causing the mountains to collapse into piles of rubble.
Now, that's pretty incredible.
you've seen pictures of the alps right that towering mountains of rock that look like this most solid thing on the The mountain range is made up of rocks with an icy crust of permafrost holding them together.
And the rocks, which have been held together previously by all of this ice, this permafrost, are going to all fall down.
It already makes climbing dangerous.
In fact, recently, one avalanche killed 50 people.
That was about four years ago, actually.
But I mean, try and imagine the Alps just collapsing.
And this is worth a thought or two.
Three years ago, the BBC ran a story about supervolcanoes in Yellowstone.
Now, only a few of these exist, hidden deep beneath the Earth's surface.
If one should erupt, though, the explosion is going to be heard around the world.
It will create dark skies with the effect of a nuclear winter.
A past eruption, in fact, may be the reason the North American continent was relatively empty when the Europeans arrived.
They looked around.
They said, where is everybody?
Most volcanoes are formed by a column of molten rock or magma rising from deep within the Earth that erupts on the surface.
But supervolcanoes are created when magma rises from inside the Earth and creates a boiling reservoir in the Earth's crust that can become enormous when it finally builds up enough pressure it erupts.
But because it doesn't come from the traditional cone shape, no one knows until it's too late.
In other words, the only thing you notice is a bulge.
The last supervolcano erupted 74,000 years ago in Sumatra and damn near destroyed all life on Earth.
Scientists don't know whether another one is going to blow or when.
They do know, though, that one of the largest in the world is under Yellowstone Park.
It's been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years.
And you might wonder when was the last time it popped its cork?
Well, that would be about 640,000 years ago.
So in other words, we are now long overdue for another big blow.
So that's kind of a roundup of what's going on during the second half hour here.
And before our guest at the top of the hour, I'll take calls on any subject, anything that tickles your fancy, questions you wish to ask, or things you wish to bring up.
After all, an awful lot has happened since we last spoke, hasn't it?
In one way, it has.
i mean a lot of details has have occurred but uh...
the world has not really changed a quick uh...
Actually, they sent me a couple of things.
The old ever-present question of why did the chicken cross the road?
Right?
If we were to take replies from different luminaries, they might sound something like this.
George W. Bush.
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road.
We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not.
The chicken is either with us or it is against us.
There is no middle ground here, and we don't like French chickens.
Colin Powell.
After the war.
Colin Powell.
Now at the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.
Or Ralph Nader.
The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed.
The chicken did not reach the unpolluted habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV.
Or a Rush Limbaugh.
Good old Rush.
I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road.
And I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing the road syndrome.
Can you believe it?
How much more of this can real Americans take?
Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars.
And when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money.
money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross and then perfect uh...
Jerry Falwell, because the chicken was gay.
Isn't it obvious?
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Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face?
I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like the other side.
One more.
Albert Einstein.
Did the chicken really cross the road?
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Or did the road move beneath the chicken?
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Our first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
And then we have a wildcard line, too, and I can't remember the damn number.
So here you go.
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Space agency says asteroid might start to strike Earth in 2014.
United Kingdom government agency responsible for identifying potentially hazardous asteroids is warned of a possible collision coming March 12, 2014.
What you're going to be doing that day, folks.
The Near Earth Object Center says that an asteroid measuring 1.2 kilometers, that's three quarters of a mile across, is approaching at about 20 miles a second.
It's coming our way.
It is one-tenth the size of the asteroid thought by some to have wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
Now, is there a big chance?
Well, they're classifying this right now with a rating of one on the Torino scale.
That's very bad.
But the actual odds are 909,000 to 1 that it will squish us.
So, there you have it.
But that's one we're going to keep our eyes on.
This is a young lady named Matisse.
English, French, and African.
Let us go to the phones and see what's out there on this night.
Not to forget, tomorrow night is open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
And I'm always willing to entertain suggestions for a specific line of some sort, which, as you know, I love doing.
In other words, you feel you can tie the break in the gas line in Phoenix to the outage in on the East Coast.
Okay, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Go ahead, let's hear it.
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Okay, um, Dr. Skye was down here in Phoenix talking on the radio, and he pointed out that not only did the East Coast black out, and Canada blacked out, but simultaneously along the 45th northern latitude line, Spain blacked out, France blacked out, and the nation of Georgia also blacked out simultaneously.
Well, we have been having an unprecedented attack from the sun.
I mean, there's no question, a lot of G4-type storms, and those threaten power lines, and nobody's even mentioning that.
So that's been going on.
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Right, and Dr. Skye had it up on his website for five days prior to the blackout to look for the blackout and to prepare for a cascade event so it would not shut down the East Coast.
Well, they raise it, you know, if the sun comes up at an odd angle, they raise the price on gas.
But what does that have to do with the East Coast?
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Well, the first thing that happened was the administration, the Secretary for Fossil Fuels, stepped up on the radio and says that this is going to affect the AC and electrical power grids across the country because of all of the energy produced by fossil fuels.
And we're sitting right here on top of Palo Verde nuclear power plant.
But anyway, the only solution he had for this was to declare that gasoline should be brought in under the utilities, that it should be made a utility.
And the whole thing ties in together if you simply mention Halliburton to come in and handle rebuilding the entire infrastructure of the utility grid for hundreds and hundreds of trillions of dollars of kickbacks.
I work in law enforcement, and a specialist came in that works out of the D.C. area, and he said the reason that happened, there were two debris fields, was because of wind shear.
The tail section of the plane broke off because of the angle of descent.
I thought the real story there, no matter how many debris fields there were, was that American citizens who are frequently maligned as not caring, American citizens who are frequently maligned as unpatriotic and uncaring and not willing to get involved, you know, allowing somebody to be raped without dialing 911.
In this case, when they knew they were dead, and they did know they were dead, they made a group decision to take that airplane into the ground instead of allowing it to go and probably plow into the White House or wherever it was headed.
So I thought that said a lot, a whole lot, about Americans, any specific group of Americans, the Americans on that particular flight.
It was an incredibly heroic act.
Wild Carline, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
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Oh, it's good to talk to you again.
This is Ken.
Tell your wife I said hi, the guy you met at the gas station and searchlight.
Well, it does have an unusual top to it, doesn't it?
It really does.
People stop me, you know, and people, in fact, have almost crashed into me trying to figure out what it is I've got on my roof.
Of course, it's a gigantic antenna, but we've had almost several crashes.
All right, sir.
Thank you very, very much for the call and reminding me.
I met that gentleman at a station where I was debugging the front of the vehicle.
Oh, man, I'm telling you.
Blizzards of bugs.
Little tiny black bugs.
Great, big, juicy orange bugs.
They came in every color.
And if you don't get them off right away, then they harden onto your windshield and onto the front of your RV to the point where you'll never get them off, or it will take you at the very least hours to get them off.
It is the worst part of long-haul driving, in my opinion.
But Nicola Tesla, of course, is a fascinating individual.
And I didn't really give you any updates on my antenna.
I have this monstrous antenna out there.
And since we last spoke, I decided, well, the ground out here wasn't very good.
You know, we live in the desert, and gosh, in the desert, we have what we call pooster, and it's not a very good ground.
And so I went out and purchased 1,000 feet of this four-foot-wide mesh, you know, wire, welded wire mesh.
And then I put this wire all the way around 1,000 feet of the antenna, and I connected it to my water well, which goes down 160 feet into the water.
I connected it to about 15 ground rods, to my tower ground, to my radio station ground here, and everything.
And so I've got this monstrous man-made grounding system underneath my antenna right now.
And yesterday after the storm, the afternoon storm yesterday had cleared away, I went out to do some work on my antenna, and I took a moment to, in doing so, I had to disconnect it from the special grounding arrangement I've put in there to, you know, to stop all this electricity that I don't want in here that mysteriously appears on my antenna.
Well, of course, in the process of doing that, I miscalculated, as usual, and got the wire between myself and ground, and I took one hell of a jolt.
Oh, my gracious, did I take a jolt?
Now, we had what I would call debris clouds overhead at the time.
It wasn't an active storm or even anything electrical, just debris clouds, but that's all it took.
And there was enough voltage on that antenna so that after I got myself up off the ground after getting knocked on my keister, I held one side of the antenna near ground, and I got a good half-inch blue spark jumping to ground.
And so, you know, Mr. Tesla may have been absolutely correct.
There is an awful lot of something coming from somewhere.
And as you know, when Nicola Tesla died, they rushed right in and took all his stuff and took it away.
And they have sequestered it and done who knows what with it.
But, yeah, he thought he could pluck energy right from the air.
Now, maybe somebody in Washington, thick as they tend to be, has recognized the fact that something is changing, and maybe they're trying to do something about it.
Now, see, that's an optimistic look at what chemtrails are.
Well, yeah, something like that.
Or the government trying to protect us or something or another.
But it's either that or they're testing something.
Or, I mean, what do you think it might be?
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Well, a lot of people have stuff as like a flu-like symptom.
They contain, when analyzed, some very interesting materials, most specifically aluminum.
I think it was aluminum, right?
Yes.
And what would they why would they be spraying something with aluminum in it, if in fact they are doing it?
So I'm not caught up on the chemtrail story, but I have no uh no further idea of what they are now than uh I did when I did the programs on the subject.
Were you to come back to this area now, you would notice an incredible change in this little town that was nothing more than a little dust spot originally.
Prump now boasts our own Walmart!
We have a Walmart here in Prump.
We have really grown up.
Trump is blossoming and going absolutely berserk.
And so now, one who previously would have to go to Las Vegas for his shopping from Death Valley.
I don't know how anybody could ever live in that place.
Do you know what the temperatures are like in Death Valley?
Typically, on a typical summer day.
Temperatures are always 126 degrees, 130 degrees in Death Valley.
George is taking the evening off well deserved at that.
Tomorrow night, Tim, we'll do Open Lives.
Don't forget, if you have a suggestion for Open Lives tomorrow night, feel free to email it to me and I will review it for possible use.
That'd be Art Bell at MindSpring.com or Art Bell at AOL.com.
All right, coming up in a moment, we're going to talk about the war.
Now, as you know, I had very strong feelings about it before we did it.
Before we got involved.
I couldn't figure out why we were about to have a war.
I still can't.
So tonight we'll talk about that with Craig Wynn.
This should be very interesting.
Craig Wynn graduated from the University of Southern California with business degrees in marketing and finance.
He then built the Wynn Company into one of the nation's leading marketing and sales firms.
In the 1980s, Craig founded and built Dynasty, a $100 million international lighting company.
In the 90s, he founded Value America, building it into the world's second largest e-tailer.
He became one of the era's vapor billionaires in the process.
I mean to ask him about that.
Vapor billionaire.
On the morning of September 11th, Win teamed up with Kevin Power to expose the root cause of terror.
They personally interviewed members of al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Qatar, the Marchers Brigade Force 17, the Palestinian Authority, the Israeli Connected IDF, and American generals as well as Israeli Secret Service agents in the Mossad and Kindip.
In addition to these meetings, Mr. Wynne has invested 4,000 hours studying Islam and has traveled to over 124 countries.
His book, T with Terrorists, was written to share what he and Mr. Power discovered in their journey.
Well, that's what my stock certificate said anyway.
When you found a company, you own 100% of the shares and you gradually give up a percentage as you raise money.
I raised $300 million for Value American.
By the time I had finished raising money, I owned about 45% of the company.
And when we went public, if you multiplied my number of shares times the, I think it was $70 some odd dollars a share, I was worth well over a billion dollars.
I ended up co-authoring a book with one of the five founders of Value America, Ken Power, called In the Company of Good and Evil, specifically to talk about that experience from the insider's perspective and to warn Americans as to what's going on in corporate America, particularly in the boardrooms of public companies, because we're on the cusp of losing something very dear.
Well, in the business world, Art, you've got really a runaway train.
You have corporate boards who meet in person maybe twice a year, who know almost nothing about the companies that they're making decisions on behalf of.
You've got these professional managers who are paid, in some cases, 10 times more than they're worth, principally interested in what they can do in the short term to increase the value of their stock options and really line their own pockets.
They have no conception of the value of money and waste it.
You've got this form of accounting, this accrual-based accounting, which we're...
It's gotten progressively worse.
And the interrelationship between the accountants, the lawyers, and the investment bankers, corporate boards, and professional managers is incestuous and it is extraordinarily corrupt.
And as an investor in public companies, you really ought to be very careful because the only source of information, for example, is the analysts from the investment banking firm.
And almost all of them got their job by getting good grades in school.
None of them have a clue as to how to manage a business.
And the accountants that keep score can tell you how many trees are in the forest, but they can't tell you if any of those trees are alive or not.
And in fact, one of the reasons that I'm in a position To do what I'm doing now on this link between Islam and terror that you hinted at earlier in your introduction, is that having been in a position where I was an outspoken person on behalf of what I thought was the corruption within the business world, the business world did not take kindly to that.
I have been raped publicly, if you will.
Truth is not a popular thing, particularly among people who have a vested interest in the game of deceit.
And so I have been an outspoken person on behalf of what's wrong with corporate America.
And corporate America, particularly the media that supports it, has not taken kindly to that.
Well, I mean, what do you think is going to happen to America?
We are certainly in the middle of a great global change.
The Chinese are rising quickly.
The Chinese are doing now to the Japanese what the Japanese did to us.
I mean, looking at the economic picture around the world right now, just before we get on off into this other subject, where do you think we're headed?
I spoke a lot about that in the company of Good and Evil.
And what I suggested is that the way that our government has embraced business, actually made business a foe in America, we have created a most unlevel playing field on behalf of foreign producers, particularly China.
So if you walk down the aisles of a Walmart, the majority of the products will say made in China on the side.
And so it's a combination of the payment mechanism called the International Letter of Credit and the mentality of our government and the way that no one in politics gets to politics by having been successful in business.
They're usually lawyers, and therefore almost every decision that they make is counterproductive to the engine of our economy.
And we will continue, I believe, politically to throw sand in the cart of the productive engine of America until the cart can no longer be pulled.
I was like the average American watching the events of 9-11 unfold in horror.
The difference was that I had retired from business, so I had some free time, and I was quite well connected in the political sense, so I had the contacts to do something about it.
And having been on the cover of national magazines and in the news so much, I recognized that apart from talk radio, which is really the last bastion of intelligence, I think, discourse in America, the mainstream media is wrong on almost everything it says.
So I was convinced that our politicians and the mainstream media would miscommunicate what is really happening and why these terrorists are killing us.
We wouldn't know who they are, and we would not know why they kill.
And then we as a nation, I thought, would have a knee-jerk reaction to go after an enemy that we do not understand.
And I wanted to learn as much as I could to see if I could help prevent that from occurring.
The morning of 9-11, the first thing I tried to do is arrange a meeting with George Bush, and I know George Bush.
And I was unable to pull it off before he had his speech where he stated his position that he was going to go to war against an enemy he didn't understand.
So I did the next best thing I could do.
I went to ground zero for suicide bombers worldwide.
That's all 9-11 was, was a giant suicide bomb.
That happens to be Israel.
And there I arranged meetings with the Palestinian Authority ministers, with Knesset ministers, with the Mossad, which is the Israeli CIA.
They did not, the way this was arranged, they did not know the location or even the name of the people I was going to meet with.
They know them now, but they did not know them then.
What happened was that the Palestinian Authority introduced me to a member of Force 17.
Force 17 is like our secret service, except they work for Yasser Arafat.
And the Force 17 member arranged a meeting in a bunker that all the Mossad knew is they were going to take me to the border.
I had to sign a piece of paper that said that what I was doing was crazy, that I would never see the light of day again, that the Israeli government could do nothing to save me.
They did not know where they were taking me.
All they were going to do is take me to the border and give me the passwords for the people I was going to meet with.
I represented myself as an author who wanted to tell the story about this conflict of international terrorism and to understand the grievance from the perspective of those who were perpetrating the terror.
So I told them the truth.
Now, I'm sure they didn't hear it that way.
They probably heard, well, here's another media guy, and I get a chance to tell my story.
And Art, it's not difficult, and it's not easy, but it's not impossible to meet with these guys.
The difficult part is actually surviving the meeting.
In fact, the last words that the Mossad agent, who I came to really respect a great deal, said to me as I turned towards the door of the van that I was in, was, if you lift the latch of that door and walk across that border, you're a dead man if you're not on God's mission.
Well, unless you really thought that you were called to do it.
I felt that I was being called to do it.
And so I recognized that if Yahweh, who is the name of the God of the Bible, if he genuinely wanted me to do this, he was not going to allow me to get killed before I had a chance to report back to the American people what I had learned.
And if I was wrong, then so be it.
I was willing to take that risk.
If somebody doesn't take that kind of a risk, how are we ever going to know?
Yeah, some of them just so bizarre because to have an adult point an automatic weapon at you is a strange feeling.
But to have someone that is eight, nine, and ten years old in a group of three or four walk up to the window of your car and chamber around in a pistol, nine or ten millimeter pistol, and point that at your head and let it scrape the window as it goes by, that's an entirely different experience.
You know, the trigger doesn't know that that's a child holding it.
So we have somebody here, Craig Wynn, who went into the lair of the enemy and got to sit there for hours and hours with a pen and pad and ask questions of people like al-Qaeda, groups like Al-Qaeda.
And so, you know, I guess what I would like to know, Craig, and maybe you had a lot of different ways of approaching it, and I certainly want to hear everything or the highlights of what they said to you, at least.
But, I mean, basically, I guess I'd like to know why they so want us dead.
Well, the really great thing, especially in the first half of that movie, was, you know, the aliens in that movie, they really didn't, they didn't want to bargain with us.
And there are two very different answers depending on which group you ask.
And since we're going to migrate to a discussion of Iraq, I'd like to express the difference depending if they are a religious terrorist or a political terrorist.
And they are different.
The first group I met with was a political group of terrorists.
They were members of Fatah.
Fatah is the political party.
It's a socialist communist party.
It was founded by Yasser Arafat.
Yasser Arafat, by the way, did not found the PLO.
PLO was founded by Nasser, a communist in Egypt at the time.
But Fatah was the political organization that these three men belonged to, as a captain and two lieutenants.
They described themselves as army men that were part of the Asuka Martyrs Brigade.
Now, they said that they were not terrorists.
They said that they were army men following orders.
So the first thing, of course, I asked them was, well, whose orders are you following?
And the captain said, I'm a direct report to Yasser Arafat.
I said, all right, what kind of orders does Yasser Arafat give you?
And these three men just all burst out laughing.
I mean, just grinning from ear to ear.
And I said, you're going to share with me what you're laughing about.
And they said, well, you know, two days ago, you know what happened?
And I said, no, not the bus to Emmanuel.
They said, yes, the bus to Emmanuel.
We blew the axles off that bus, and we were not terrorists because we didn't blow ourselves up.
I said, but 11 children and women unarmed had their heads blown off by men wielding M16s like the one sitting right here on this desk in front of me.
And they said, yeah, that was us.
I said, you killed, the three of you killed those 11 innocent souls.
Yes.
They were gleeful about it.
And by the way, they said, you know, we don't have a problem with America.
We don't want Americans dead.
If it wasn't for America, we wouldn't have our guns.
And these terrorists are going to need to be trained.
And so we provided the training, we provided the guns, and they used them to kill innocent people.
So these guys said that we are part of what is currently the majority in the Palestinian-controlled areas.
But he says we will not be the majority very long because the real crazies are growing very, very fast.
And there is so much money being thrown at them that they will very soon be the majority.
And you Americans are so naive.
You know so little about them.
And when they become the majority here, which they will very, very soon, there'll be nothing anyone can do.
Now, when a group of people who have just killed at point-blank range with automatic weapons 11 women and children, call another group of people crazy, you've got to be worried.
And you also have to be worried when your government, the government, you know, I was not there as a representative of America.
I was there as an individual.
But when it's still, America is my country, I love America.
When you're told that your country trained and equipped men who murdered innocent people, it hurts too.
By the way, they said that the majority of their funding comes from America as well.
So the second group of terrorists had an entirely different agenda.
Now, this group of terrorists were all religious terrorists.
They belonged to Al-Qaeda, which means the foundation.
And the foundation is a religious foundation.
Interesting enough, Al-Qaeda was actually founded by a Palestinian, Palestinian academician, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad.
And there really isn't any difference between any of these groups.
In fact, one of the great travesties that we have in reporting in America is that we want to identify al-Qaeda as our principal villain, and we then try to take organizations like this Indonesian organization, Jama'ah Islamiyah, and we want to say they are the al-Qaeda wing in Indonesia.
What they did when I asked them why they wanted us dead, 100% of the time, they quoted the Prophet's words out of what's called the Hadith or the Sunnah.
There are four books that were written within 200 years, 250 years of the Prophet's death, only four that have his words and deeds in them.
And they quoted from those books, and they quoted from the Quran, which this same prophet says are the words of a God named Allah.
And those words were, we have been ordered to wipe the infidels out to the last.
We have been ordered to fight the disbelievers until the only religion is Islam.
And so I was in the position that really everyone that's in a position of political power in America or in a position of responsibility within the journalistic community should be in, which is since what they told me is not all that different from what we hear in their press releases to the media, you really need to know, are they quoting these things correctly, in context, incorrectly?
If they are, then in fact, their religion is corrupting them.
If they're taking these things out of context and quoting them incorrectly, then the argument should be made that they are corrupting their religion and that we need to find out where this form of corruption is.
And that's really what I went to find.
I was convinced that they were corrupting their religion and I wanted to find out what kind of modern-day prophet, if you will, they were following who had somehow corrupted what was otherwise a loving and peaceful.
There is no truth that I could convey to you and your audience more important than that one.
I expected them to quote someone like Qutub, who's an Egyptian scholar whose writings became the foundation for the Muslim Brotherhood and was the first Islamicist to do something that hadn't been done in many, many centuries, which was to target non-Muslims.
Because the Wahhabis, for example, have always targeted, good Muslims have targeted bad Muslims.
And so I expected them to quote the writings of Qutub, who's kind of the Martin Luther of the modern Islamicist jihadist movement, if you will.
They did not do that.
They quoted directly out of their scriptures, and they quoted them correctly.
And not only did they quote them correctly, they didn't take them out of context, and they didn't cherry-pick the bad ones from a sea of good ones.
That's the single most important thing that I can tell you.
And that is profound for many reasons.
One of those reasons is that means that the President of the United States is lying to us.
That means that he sent in troops to combat an enemy that he is denying the nature of.
That means that the American media will propagate a lie to the American people willfully or knowingly.
And that means that we are being killed by people who believe that doing so is A service to their God.
And so what we will talk about in terms of what do these scriptures actually say about this man and this Godly understood the scriptures, they'd be plowing airplanes into buildings.
But that sense really knowing what Muhammad was like and what he said and understanding what Allah ordered and what he is like would cause all rational people to flee Islam.
So I don't think that knowing these scriptures would cause most Muslims to become terrorists.
I think it would do exactly the opposite.
It would cause most Muslims not to be Muslims anymore.
And that is my principal goal, is I want to expose what the scriptures actually say so that thinking men and women that have choice make the right choice.
If our president, certainly our government and our intelligence agencies within our government and other governments understand if what you say is so, they understand the same things.
They know what this is all about.
So based on that and what they must have told our president, unless they're lying to our president, after 9-11, what should the president have said versus what he did say?
Craig's not there.
I'm going to have to read all Craig.
Craigman is gone.
I wonder how that happened.
Good old telephone systems.
I'll tell you.
Now I'm going to have to rephrase that entire question.
So after 9-11 occurred, I'm going to assume that our intelligence agencies understand and know the things that you have just explained to us, if they're true.
They would certainly be aware of them, having interviewed terrorists themselves.
They would understand these perhaps basic, what you consider to be basic truths.
Therefore, what should our president have said after 9-11 when he gave his speech versus what he did say?
Well, had I been in his shoes, what I would have said is that the prayer request that we discovered in the cars of the men who did this said that they were to scream, Allah-u-Akbar, as they were slitting this stewardess's throats and forcing their ways into the cabin.
Allah UAKBA means Allah is greatest.
So there is obviously a connection here between Allah and the deeds that are being perpetrated.
And if I were him, I would have said, I do not at this point understand the full consequence of that connection.
But obviously, understanding the motivation of those who want to kill us is more important than anything else in my job.
And I'm going to find out what it is.
And when I find out what it is, even if it's unpopular, I'm going to tell you the truth.
And then together, we'll deal with this.
That's what he should have said.
And then I think the American people would have been patient enough if the President of the United States had said, I'm going to read to you from these books, and I'm going to tell you why these guys are killing us.
Now, that does not mean that we need to go out and hate Muslims.
Absolutely the opposite.
In fact, we need to love Muslims.
We've got to love Muslims enough to free them from this.
In Mein Kampf, he said, I am establishing a religion.
Most people don't know that, but Mein Kampf was written as a religion.
Hitler was very upfront about it.
And I'm going to use this religion to control my people and motivate them to martyrdom so that they might terrorize all who oppose me and that I might conquer the world.
Took him a thousand pages to say it, but that's what he says over and over and over again in Mein Kampf.
And yet, even though he wrote it in 1924, we appeased him all the way through 1938, giving him chuckles of Akya.
Six months after we traded him land for peace, he started a war that led to the deaths of 55 million people.
Indeed.
And because we as a nation and we as free people didn't take the time to understand the doctrine that caused men to behave badly, that was the consequence.
So it is far more important.
We in America have this tendency to do what we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In other words, given your understanding and stipulating that what you say is true, based on that then, what would you as president order to be done, either diplomatically or militarily?
Yeah, well, the first thing is to correctly identify the enemy.
That is huge.
The second thing that I would do is to recognize that the largest wealth transfer in the history of the world is going from the United States and other Western nations to the specific kingdoms that are manufacturing terrorists.
We send a billion dollars a day to black ooze.
That black ooze is being spent to build mosques and schools and media outlets that literally teach what I have read.
Because you can't teach a different form of Islam because that's the only one that's in the Quran.
That's the only one that's in the Hadith.
That's what they're teaching.
In fact, I'll read out of the Quran the definition of jihad so that your audience is very clear as they're going to be able to do it.
Okay, let me read the definition right out of the Quran.
It's 80% of the mosques in America, in fact, in the free world, are built by the Fahd family in Saudi Arabia.
So this definition that I'm going to read is out of the Quran that the Fahd family not only translated, but it's in all of the mosques in the Western world.
It says, Al-Jihad, holy fighting in Allah's cause.
Doesn't say anything about a spiritual struggle.
Holy fighting in Allah's cause with full force of numbers and weaponry.
It is given the utmost import in Islam and is one of its pillars upon which it stands.
By jihad, Islam is established.
Allah's word is made superior.
His word means that none may be worshipped other than Allah.
And his religion of Islam is propagated.
By abandoning jihad, may Allah protect us from that, Islam is destroyed and all Muslims fall into an inferior position.
Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish.
Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and any Muslim who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite.
Yes, what the Prophet Muhammad said is that if any, this is a direct quote out of the Islamic hadith or Sunnah, if any Islamic leader calls for a jihad, you must go forth immediately.
Yes, but what it has to be is it has to be in Allah's cause.
Allah's cause is defined as two different things.
One is subduing the disbelievers, the non-Muslims.
And this is really the most frightening part if you are what you may want to call a Christmas and Easter Muslim, if you will.
If you're a Muslim who doesn't know your scriptures very well, or if you're a peace-loving person and happen to be a Muslim, is that Allah's greatest enemy, according to the Quran, is not us disbelieving infidels.
It's peaceful Muslims.
The Medina surahs, the last revealed, the last 24, are very explicit in describing the difference between a good Muslim and a bad Muslim from Allah's perspective.
And he says that a bad Muslim is one who does not leave their home to fight jihad in his cause.
He calls them a hypocrite.
And he says they're the most vile of creatures, the worst of animals, and the hottest places in hell are reserved for the peaceful Muslims.
If you're a peaceful Muslim, your God doesn't like you very much.
Well, then I don't mean to be flippant, but then there are plenty of those around, so why aren't they going after them, and why are they coming after us?
And if we were to immediately stop the billion dollars a day that funds these manufacturing facilities, we would starve the machine to death.
And there's only one way to do that.
And unfortunately, it has to be done militarily because we've made too many bad choices as a nation and we don't have the 10 to 20 years that it's going to take to wean ourselves off this dependence.
And so we have to recognize that in the 1960s, 100% of the oil facilities that exist in the Islamic world were stolen from American citizens.
They were all public companies owned by Americans.
They were stolen.
And the American government did nothing.
If we as a nation, I know this doesn't sound nice, we as a nation don't take those facilities back.
They were taken from American shareholders without any compensation by, and when you say nationalized, it's a very different thing calling an Islamic country a nation versus calling France or England a nation.
These are all countries that are the private property of the ruling thug, whether they call themselves a prince or they call themselves president.
They're all warlords that are over these lines that have been drawn in the sand by the Brits, by the way, following World War I when the Muslims fought their brethren, the Turks, and the Brits promised that they would reward the warlords that fought on their side with faithems.
And that's essentially how we got these countries.
And what I would make certain is that 100% of the money for that oil goes to positive humanitarian things, and that zero percentage of it goes to manufacture more terrorists.
And if you were to do that, you'd have a profound impact on terrorism because literally it runs on money.
Well, invade is a very different thing when you're talking about oil facilities versus countries.
What we did in Iraq, I believe, was totally wrong for a hundred important reasons.
And occupying a country is a very wrong thing to do.
To surround, to take over and control the most important points of contact in terms of oil production and shipment is an extremely easy thing to do by comparison to trying to occupy a country.
So I don't want us to occupy these countries.
All I want us to do is to use our forces to surround the largest of the oil distribution facilities so that we can assure the - Well, yeah, but they're going to regard that as an act of war now.
But the reason they're able to blow us up and kill us every day under the president's demand is that not only do they have the money and therefore the incentive, because one of the things that I learned when I talked to these terrorists and asked them why they were doing it, in addition to quoting from their scriptures, they told me about the money.
And the money is unbelievable.
It's literally unreal.
What the families of suicide bombers get?
It's millions.
They're mercenaries.
They're doing it for the money.
And the same thing is true with all these jihadists that have gone into Iraq to take shots at our men.
But the reason that we are so vulnerable there is we've got our men walking down the streets of Baghdad and other cities.
And you might as well put a target on it and say, shoot me.
Now, to surround a facility that's out in the middle of the desert versus trying to walk through the streets and to enter people's homes is a million-fold different in terms of vulnerability and difficulty.
If the truth were known, though, about where a lot of the money came from for the attack on 9-11 on those buildings and on the Pentagon, the truth is a lot came out of Saudi Arabia, but nobody wants to talk about that.
You know what's amazing is the 28 pages that came out of the report that we paid for as taxpayers that was funded by Congress on what really happened in 9-11.
The 28 pages that explained that it was the Saudis was classified and Americans can't even read it.
Well, then let's see what you're saying about this war.
I never did properly understand the reason for the war because, well, we still don't have the weapons of mass destruction, but that aside, you'd have to prove that they intended to use them on us before I would think you'd risk American lives.
So that couldn't be the reason.
Correct.
Gee, what could be the reason?
Well, maybe you just stated it.
You think we did the right thing and did it the wrong way or something?
And by the way, all intelligence reports confirm that.
Tennant, in his open addresses to the U.S. Senate, said that there is no chance that Saddam Hussein is going to use any of his weapons of mass destruction on the United States unless he is provoked and cornered by American troops invading his country.
They were not a clear and present danger to the United States.
Even if we find weapons of mass destruction, the fact they were not used when our troops were in their backyard confirms that.
Second is a defense.
If the Japanese attack us in Pearl Harbor, it's a real smart thing for us to go and attack the Japanese.
Now, we were attacked on 9-11, but that does not mean you go off and attack somebody who was not responsible for 9-11.
Iraq was not responsible for 9-11.
Okay, so that's the second reason.
The third reason is something that we as a nation have a tendency to lose sight of and is the justification we're using Here, but incorrectly, which is there are times when a defenseless group of people are tyrannized to the point where millions are dying at the hands of some despot.
When we're dealing with, rather than tens of thousands, when the number reaches hundreds of thousands or millions, for example, Adolf Hitler opened Dachau within two weeks of the time that he was pronounced chancellor.
When he started exterminating Jews, we should have sacrificed, that would have been an appropriate place to sacrifice American coin and blood to save millions of people.
Pol Pot would have been the same thing in Cambodia and in the Sudan in the last 13 years.
That is the most traditional, the most fundamental Islamic government in the world is in the Sudan.
They've killed 2 million Christians in the last 13 years.
Now, so there are examples of places to do that, but if you're going to do it in that scenario, two things have to be true.
One is that since the world is full of these despots that kill their own citizens, you know, there are millions, many, many, many of them, it has to be to rise above the level that now it's worth risking American lives.
And second of all, you have to have the potential for a better outcome than you went in with.
For example, we went into Somalia.
Somalia, there were probably 400,000 Somalians that have died at the hands of the Islamic warlords there.
But we had no chance of creating a better scenario, so the lives that we lost were lost in vain.
But I believe that when it gets to the point we're talking about millions, like it is in the Sudan, like it was in Cambodia, like it was in Nazi Germany, at that point, boy, it's awful hard to justify not doing anything, allowing millions of people to die.
he did it for the fourth reason which is the only other reason that any nation ever goes to work and that would be That's it?
That's it.
Karl Rove, who I know, recognized that if he had a wartime president going into the congressional elections, he could take back the Senate.
He did.
I'm sorry, but that is the reason.
That is the only other reason that any country sends in its troops.
There's only four reasons.
And the fourth is always bad.
It's always political.
That man had a very low rating as a president.
It shot up to 90%.
When I wrote T with Terrace, his political rating was 90%.
And I predicted, because I wrote T with Terrace three years in advance, now it's only a year and a half in advance, where I predicted everything that was going to happen, including that this war was going to go terribly wrong because it was being waged for the wrong reasons without any ideas to why we were being killed.
And that as a result, this man would lose his midterm election.
And you know what's interesting is yesterday, a former Secretary of the Army was on a number of the network television shows, and he was talking about the reaction of George Bush and Cheney as to how this war would be fought, and that it would be very quick.
We would liberate Iraq and that the Iraqi people would throw flowers at the Americans and be so excited that we had liberated them that as soon as we had taken out the Baath Party regime, that it would be over.
We would be able to leave and they would be ecstatic.
If we were going to go in and liberate it, then there'd be a little period of time and then we'd say, here you go, have democracy or whatever you want.
That's the reason why I spent so much time talking about the fact that if you don't read the Mein Kampf of the doctrine, you have no idea what you're getting into.
Saddam Hussein doesn't motivate people to jihad.
It's the doctrine that causes people to behave badly.
And until you understand the nature of the doctrine, you will have no idea how the people will respond.
We don't understand the motivation.
Until we understand the motivation, you can't predict what's going to happen.
If you understand the motivation, you can predict what's going to happen.
For those that think that the U.S. government just knows everything and just makes all the right calls and why aren't we swell, we went into Vietnam on a lie.
The Gulf of Tonken incident did not occur.
That's how Congress approved Johnson sending in the troops.
That did not occur.
It was a lie.
Just like it's a lie to say that invading Iraq is a war on terrorism because Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11.
Matter of fact, al-Qaeda wasn't directly responsible for 9-11.
They were only indirectly responsible.
9-11 was conceived in the Al-Qaed Mosque in Hamburg, Germany.
That's where it was conceived.
That's where it was staffed, and that's where it was financed.
Al-Qaeda was only one of dozens of these fundamental Islamic organizations that took credit for it.
So we did the wrong thing.
In fact, when we went into Afghanistan to pound the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, we did the worst possible thing I could even imagine.
We pushed the fundamentalist Islamists, these are the people that really know their hadith and their Quran, know it like I do, but unfortunately haven't rejected it.
We pushed them out of Afghanistan into Pakistan, where they are stronger today by every account.
In fact, you see it in the news every day.
They're stronger today than they ever were.
And Pakistan is the only Islamic nation that currently has the atomic bomb.
They're a one assassin's bullet from having a fission bomb, and they'll use it.
In fact, when I talk with the Mossad, they believe, as I do, that it's a 99% likelihood that the next 10 years an American city will suffer in what may be a million casualties as a result of one of three devices.
In fact, I speak about all three of these devices in NT with terrorists so that America would understand the consequence of continuing to fund our own funeral.
They're going to use the daughter products of a nuclear reactor.
That's the reason why Iran has 20 of them built by the French and the Russians.
You've got to ask yourself a question.
Why does a country that floats on oil and natural gas need atoms to boil water?
That's all a nuclear reactor is, is a giant steam engine.
And the reason is that the daughter products of those, the spent fuel rods, which are called daughter products, form two things that are extremely valuable to them.
One is uranium-235, which can be then conditioned into the fuel for a fission bomb.
Yes, but the hardest part is not the science to make the bomb.
It's getting the raw material to refine to make the fuel.
That's the hard part.
And when you have a nuclear reactor, that's the reason we wanted the nuclear reactors shut down in North Korea.
That's the reason we have sent North Korea all of its oil and fuel for the last decade is we didn't want them to fire up those nuclear reactors because we know what the daughter products are.
The second form of daughter products is these very lethal forms of nuclear material.
And two of them in particular have very short half-lives.
The shorter the half-life, the more lethal the material.
Strontium-90, cobalt-60 are great examples.
One has a five-year half-life, the other is a 25-year half-life.
If you were to take a coffee can size container of those two ingredients, which are very easy to come by, in fact, the United States alone has reported nearly 1,000 thefts just in the United States of this material.
And all you do is, in fact, what I did so that America would understand it and Tiva Terrace, I said, if you were to take a sailboat and you were to float it into any one of America's 12 largest cities, all of America's 12 largest cities are on waterways, and you were to put it in Yacht Harbor and you were to take this coffee can-sized container and you were to throw it up in the air with an RPG, of which there are a dime a dozen.
No, and these perpetual virgins are a special creation.
They're not women from Earth.
In fact, according to Muhammad, he went to hell and he saw that most of the inhabitants of hell were women, and they were women because they complained.
Okay, well, anyway, suppose to say, there will be no shortage of martyrs or anybody who throws a cough can up or whatever.
So the next thing is access.
I mean, with the North Koreans and the Iranians and others having the sister products, as you pointed out, of nuclear plants, there's got to be no shortage, daughter products, whatever relative, of this stuff.
It's going to kill a lot of people.
And is it going to be possible for them to get that close without detection?
Or is the great homeland security that's going to, or has been created, going to protect us by detecting these nasty things as they're going to be able to do that?
First, depending on whether it's an alpha or beta wave, the radioactive nature of those isotopes can either be contained in a very thin wall of aluminum or in a fairly thick wall of lead.
So if you were to take those two ingredients and surround them both by aluminum and lead, and rather than having the coffee can be normal coffee can thickness, you put it in the size of a one-gallon pail, but constructed of the right aluminum and lead, there is no way it could be detected.
None.
We have zero way in the United States to detect it.
And even if we did, there is no government agency that's going around every boat that enters America and every airplane that enters America and checking for these things.
Yes, the reason that we have not had another al-Qaeda-type, it was called an al-Qaeda Qaeda attack, but a fundamental Islamic suicide attack where they're yelling aloof bar and flying planes in the building, is it's very difficult for them to maintain the control, the indoctrination over the suicide bomber when they move them to a free society.
The reason you see them in Israel all the time, in Pakistan all the time, and in India all the time, and in Indonesia all the time, and in Russia where they have so many Muslims all the time, is they're able to control the environment.
They can't control the environment in America.
We're making the kind of environment in America that will make it easier for them.
It's a complicated, scary world we live in, and Craig Wynn is my guest.
And we're talking about terrorists because he's talked to terrorists, went right into their lair, and literally interviewed them and knows some of the answers to some of the questions that I've wanted to know about.
Why we went to war.
Why we're occupying that country.
What it is that many who believe in very fundamentalist Islamic principles believe about us that makes them want to dispatch us collectively.
And what they'll do toward those goals.
And I can't think of any issue in America right now more weighty than that.
We'll get back to you.
By the way, we're going to open the phone lines this hour, and you can ask any sort of question you want related to all of this.
Kind of fits, really, when you're talking about what we're talking about.
And I don't know how in America you can not talk about it.
Things certainly have changed, haven't they, from prior to the war to the war to now the aftermath of the war, in which I believe more Americans have been killed, by the way, now in the period of time since combat has been called, was said to have halted.
Now, I think we all know that terrorists of the type that you no doubt talked to in their lair are pouring into Iraq from all over the Middle East, probably from all over the world, I would think, as far away as Indonesia and, I suppose, the Philippines and who knows, Afghanistan, and wherever they are, they're making their way to Iraq now, aren't they?
By the tens of thousands, and they're coming from all of those countries, plus Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.
In fact, the largest number of jihadists that we found in Afghanistan were actually from Kuwait, the country, of course, that we liberated were killing Americans.
And literally from all over the Islamic world, they're coming for jihad because the only guaranteed way into this brothel that Allah speaks of in the Quran is to die a martyr killing infidels.
That's the only guaranteed way in.
By the way, so that we don't dissuade Muslims from doing so, Muhammad said that only 70,000 of his followers would be admitted into this paradise altogether.
And there have been lots more than 70,000 Islamic martyrs.
Okay, Operation Northwoods was released by the Freedom of Information Act.
it was during the candy administration and let's hear who is the chief of uh...
you know general staff whatever i'm happy plan to create terrorism of the terrorism within america to play on the cubans and in it entails and you can get it it's it's even to to uh...
He wanted to hijack airplanes to crash into buildings to build fear amongst the Americans so that they would be happy, not happy is the word, but frightened enough to invade Cuba because Cuba was sending the enemy.
Kennedy vetoed that idea.
They also wanted to sabotage Glenn, I was going to say John Glenn's orbit around the Earth.
So that's Operation Northwoods.
It was resurrected by the neocons.
And the reason being that Iraq was so high on the agenda, first of all, they went into Afghanistan.
I would have stood in front of my American people, and I would have said, we have been dealt a very heavy blow, and we are grieving the loss of innocent people.
Let me, instead of listening to her go down the path, I could hear her going now.
There are a lot of people who think that our government, in some conspiratorial manner, is tied up with these actual operations, and somehow, in some way, secretly ordering these things to happen rather than trying to prevent them.
I mean, the fact of the matter is that if there was such a secret, it could not be held.
Now, you are right.
You've brought this up, and the fact is that America has routinely manufactured its own enemies.
Our State Department runs on Shin Tzu's philosophy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
When you do that, you always lose the high moral ground, and you manufacture your next enemy.
And so, yes, we have done some terrible things as it relates to the Mujahideen that became al-Qaeda in Afghanistan when we thought they were fighting the Russians and we didn't like the Russians at that time.
But to suggest that the United States is somehow involved in fundamentalist Islamic terror So that we train people to scream Allah U Akbar and fly planes into our buildings is utter nonsense.
No, I've asked the terrorists themselves why they kill us, and I've spent 10,000 hours researching the scriptures that motivate them to kill, and no place do they say we follow the orders of the American CIA.
That's an interesting idea, which I have actually considered before.
It really is an interesting idea.
But when you have a religion which basically says all others of not of our religion are not to be met with and accommodated, but killed, now, when you have one group with that sort of attitude, that prevents the kind of summit that you'd like to put on.
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No, actually, I am convinced from my own contact with radical fundamentalists that you can entice them into a debate forum on the pride that they have in their God in a Elijah-type situation where he challenged the prophets of Baal.
They will come to such a reasonable forum of debate and discussion to let the God who is God prove it and show that he is so.
You're suggesting something which I thought was interesting, but these people don't negotiate.
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They kill.
They do negotiate.
I know friends who negotiate with them in this manner.
Christian friends who do it this way.
Women who will not even wear sleeves on their dresses for their own husbands in the United States will go into Palestine dressing the way their women dress in order to be able to make a statement for peace, for their Christian peace movement.
But you see, Craig admits that a good 90 or 95 percent would be of the persuasion you're discussing.
We're talking about a small percentage of fundamentalists who have, I will use the word interpreted, the Quran, in a way that suggests that infidels should simply be killed.
Those are the folks that I'm talking about, Caller.
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Well, actually, the people, the 19 hijackers, when you read their diaries, were more concerned about how our women dress than anything else.
I believe that religions are man-made constructs and that they do encourage people to go off into war.
And that said, Christianity, nor is Judaism, neither are religions.
The fact of the matter is that the Quran orders Muslims to wipe the non-Muslims out to the last.
And therefore, it is impossible to negotiate.
Also, the greatest example in the Quran and what all Muslims use when they negotiate with non-Muslims is the Treaty of Huda Bayah.
That's where Muhammad went to Mecca two years before his death.
He signed a 10-year peace treaty with them that said that I will not attack you.
The following year, he came down with 10,000 troops and conquered the town.
And so the Quran says that any treaty between a Muslim and a non-Muslim is not binding on the Muslim, and it sets the example that Muslims should use negotiations to weaken non-Muslims so that they can conquer them.
Now, also, one of the things that's interesting is the Quran orders Muslims not to engage in debate with non-Muslims.
It tells them that if a person comes and is exposing the Quran who is a non-Muslim, that they are to flee from them and take their families from them and not engage them in discussion, for if they engage them in discussion, they become one of them.
Yeah, Craig, last time I heard your interview, it was sobering and also courageous to go through this.
I have A couple quick points.
You know, I don't think that, you know, I think you're kind of hard on George Bush.
I don't think that he could have said anything about their religion without alienating the whole world and not allowing us to go in there in the first place.
Also, I don't think circling an oil field is going to help.
It's going to also alienate the whole world and make, especially whenever they're already part of the United Nations and considered a sovereign nation, not a private fiefdom or kingdom.
That one's really important because that was your suggested remedy for this, that we surround the oil fields and act as though we were still holding on to the lease and had a right to be there, right?
Well, first, I recognize that it would take tremendous courage on George Bush's part to expose the truth about the fundamentalists and the direct link between fundamental Islam and terrorism.
But if you're going to commit hundreds of billion dollars of taxpayers' money and you're going to commit the lives of the best men and women in your country, you owe it to them to tell them the truth.
And if you don't, if you're not willing, you don't have the courage to tell them the truth, then don't go.
But understand that what we put ourselves in is a situation that if we continue to send a billion dollars over there a day, we are only paying for our own funeral.
And so we have some very hard choices to make.
And if we don't at least stop that billion dollars a day, then the future, the likelihood of America losing a major city is in the 99 percentile.
There's only five books that were written about Muhammad, who's Islam's lone prophet, and the creation of Islam within 250 years of the Prophet's death.
Only five books.
Four of them are Sunnah, collections of hadith.
The other one is the Quran.
Everything that I have said comes directly out of those books, and that's what I want more than anything else.
I want all of the peaceful, loving, wonderful Muslims in the world to read those books.
I think all of this tonight boils down to the most important thing he told us tonight, which was that if this percentage of Islamics believes as we have discussed this day, then the future and one of our cities or more is inevitable.
Absolutely inevitable.
Particularly given the only course we could follow to stop that.
At least I think that's what I'm getting out of this.
My guest is Craig Wynn.
If you have questions for him, you're welcome to ask, and that's done via the telephone.
We'll be right back.
Craig Wynn, my guest, a very controversial point of view, a very controversial point of view, and one you will not hear generally in the American media.
Now, I want to reiterate, for those of you that are getting your pants all in a bunch out there, he's not suggesting that all of Islam is this way.
In fact, quite the contrary, he said, about 95%.
If they read the Quran and other religious texts the way the 5% who buy them straight down the line or in the manner those people do did, they would simply walk away from Islam.
Now, that may or may not be so, and that's certainly the crux of the controversy this morning.
It's a pretty harsh truth you're listening to, if it is true.
So I would hope some of you would have questions along those lines.
You know, after I wrote Tea With Terrorist, which almost everything that I predicted would happen has happened, so many of the readers of Tea with Terrorists wrote me and say, you know, great explanation of what's going wrong here in America and this war on terrorism.
But those five books that you talk about, they're hard to buy.
They're hard to understand.
Could you write something that takes the scriptures from those five books, puts them together in a way that we might understand what this doctrine actually says about itself?
And so I wrote a book called Prophet of Doom that I'll release here in probably another four or five weeks.
It's in its final editing stage right now, that takes these four books of Sunnah, these collections of hadith, and puts them together with the Quran, reorders the Quran so it's in chronological order, infuses it with the context that it otherwise lacks, and explains it, just like the first translator, so Mein Kampf, said, here's what Hitler has to say.
But every time he said something that was untrue, it held Hitler accountable.
So I've actually taken all of these scriptures and put them together in one book and said, there was another guy who did something just like this, you know, and he got put on a list, a hit list, actually.
Now, satanic verses happens to be a very important part of the Islamic hadith.
Hadith speaks about satanic verses.
It speaks about Muhammad giving a Quran verse that was from Satan, and the Quran itself speaks about the satanic verses.
The reason that they put the fatwa on him was twofold.
One is Muslims don't want the truth about their scriptures exposed because, as I've said, if people actually read the truth about what Muhammad did and said as it's recorded in their scripture, there wouldn't be any Muslims left.
The second thing is that Talmud was a Muslim, and so Muslims are ordered in the Quran that any Muslim who rejects his faith must be killed.
In fact, if there were more people with the levers of public opinion like yourself who were willing to engage in a discussion on this, the single most important issue of our day, the issue that's ultimately going to destroy America, then we could prevail.
But because we won't, I am one of the few voices willing to expose Islam.
I will gladly lay down my life to make I, Americans and Muslims alike, aware of the truth so that we might save some from this hellish future.
Oh, Prophet of Doom is the book I've written after T. With Harris.
T. With Harris is a voyage of discovery that takes you right through the meetings I had with al-Qaeda and the like and takes you through the voyage of discovery, literally, that I went on in a novel form so that there's a story that takes you right through the learning experience, if you will.
And Prophet of Doom is quite a tome.
It's all five of the Islamic holy books put together with a running commentary.
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Wonderful.
Well, I wanted to say a friend of mine is reading a book called Treason, and I think you probably know about that one.
Yes.
And culture, is it?
Yes.
But what I'm concerned about is I think the press is very controlled.
Yeah, it's not actually controlled, but the press all belongs to they share a common sense that's part of this religion of political incorrectness, if you will.
And because if you step an inch outside of the circle of political correctness, you are publicly ostracized, kicked, raped by all these tolerant practitioners of political correctness.
You become yesterday's news if you are in the mainstream media and you step outside of their circle.
And so it's not so much a conspiracy or an organ.
It's just if you want to prevail in the mainstream media, you've got to play by their rules.
They say he was not crucified, and yet they say he was resurrected.
It's the most odd thing in the world.
And they say that Christ himself has devised a plot against all of those who called him the Messiah, and that he will personally judge and punish all of those who call him the Messiah.
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Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
But I do find the Koran very hypocritical because they say that they follow Christ's teachings, There's not a single one of Christ's teachings in the Quran.
Actually, what happens is that about two-thirds of the Quran is based upon a twisted version of the Talmud, particularly the Talmud as it does a commentary on the Torah.
And Muhammad had these scriptures read to him.
The Quran says by Jews.
He paid the Jews for them.
He twisted them to serve his interests.
And so many of the stories, although they're twisted, are common, although beyond the fact that there's common characters, there is nothing, in terms of the moral lessons, there is nothing in common.
The God of the Quran and the God of the Bible are polar opposites.
But, you know, for the atheists listening out there, the religions of man, communism, has killed more people in the last hundred Years than any of the false religions have.
I believe that the Bible is the word of Yahweh, and I do think it is a prophetic book.
As a matter of fact, the Bible itself predicts that all of the Islamic nations are going to join together, and they're going to wage war against Israel in the last days, and that as a result of that war, five out of every six Muslims are going to die, and another, totally one-quarter of the Earth's population is wiped out in that war.
You know, the Bible's gotten the first 2,000 prophecies that it's made precisely accurate, and it's got another 500 to go that speak of these last days.
Actually, what's interesting is that the Quran itself talks about the Gog and Magog war, which is the World War III that's discussed in the Bible that follows a land for peace treaty with Israel, where the Islamic nations then, following that treaty, they use it like Huda Bayah, and they come in and attack Israel.
The Quran itself references this Gog and Magog war.
So both books predict what's called the day of doom, but one is based, as I say, on the other.
Greg, you or Dr. Bob Mulray said that a billion dollars would be spent out of Saudi Arabia in the United States to spread the Muslim religion, and this is two ways, by building mosques and educating prisoners and United States prisoners to be disciples.
And if that is the case, how will the millions of illegal immigrants in the United States play a role in terrorizing the United States?
And what role are they doing in federal penitentiaries?
Is it the militant Muslims that they're educating or which branch?
Well, 80% of the mosques in America are funded by and staffed by the Fahd Family Foundations, which the Quran that I read from on jihad is a quotation out of that.
The reason they go into prisons is they find a very ideal audience.
The Quran says that booty is lawful and good, and it says that killing non-Muslims is good.
And so if thievery is good and killing is good, and you get babes in paradise if you die, and you get to keep the booty if you live, you know, Islam is a pretty seductive religion if you're going into a prison.
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What about the millions of illegal immigrants?
And when these guys get out of penitentiary, what kind of threat do they pose to us?
But it's my view that the majority of the problem we'll face from the fundamentalists is not in America, because in America it's really hard to maintain that level of hatred and indoctrination.
And so I think that what you'll see is that there'll be situations where a cell of guys come in like they did in 9-11, and they will, this next time I think they'll come in either with a biological weapon, a thermonuclear device, or a radiological dispersion device.
And you'll see very few people kill a lot of people in a grand act of martyrdom.
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What is this fourth political reason you mentioned?
my radio faded out while ago the main reason we went to political reasoning it I want to reiterate, which.
I want to give you a chance, because we're at the end of the program, to go ahead and, you know, if somebody were to start out with Craig Wynn, fascinated by what they heard tonight, wanting to know the truth, willing to read one of your books, which one ought to be first?
I give you the page number that it comes from in each of these five books.
And then I put their quotation in a bold text.
So you get to read their quotation.
And then to make it easier for folks, I do a rumming commentary, but I do mine in a different font so you can distinguish between them that tries to walk the reader through this.
Like we were just having a conversation on the radio.