Dr. Albert Taylor, a 40-year veteran of weekly astral travel since age five, debunks fears of "shadow people" as misinterpreted projections of fear or spiritual guides, not evil entities—his own experiences report 95% positive encounters. He clarifies OBEs aren’t limited to the "pure," with 25–30% of people capable but few remembering, and dismisses harm risks while acknowledging traumatic distortions like a caller’s violent OBE involving a green skull. Taylor also explores astral sex as energetic bonding beyond physical gratification, linking it to myths like succubi, and confirms travel extends past Earth, including lunar journeys documented in Soul Traveler 2. [Automatically generated summary]
One person called and said, Art, I was in bed one night and I froze and I couldn't move.
I was literally paralyzed.
And then sometimes people would say, well, I'd actually move up out of my body or I'd move down into the mattress out of my body, but out of body.
But mostly this paralyzed moment.
And I'd had it myself.
As I've seen these little, whatever in God's name they are that you see in peripheral vision, I had had this frozen feeling myself in that twilight of sleep or whatever it is.
And we couldn't figure out what it could be.
And I started getting, as I am now, then I got hundreds of emails.
Now I get thousands on a subject like this.
And I had hundreds of people saying exactly the same thing.
And we hadn't talked about OBEs.
OBEs have not been talked about on this program.
I didn't even know what an OBE was at that point.
And to the rescue came Dr. Albert Taylor, who's written a book on the subject, on OBEs.
Well, you remember the way my book begins is all it is is a diary of me having these experiences which went from the age five, age five, I would have them once a week, and then suddenly for whatever reason, at age 35, they increased from once a week to several times a week, and then several times a night.
And in my family, see, even to this day, several members of my family have this experience a lot, just like me, except they haven't gone beyond the paralysis.
So even to this day, when I would try to talk to them about it and mention it, either I would get some kind of fearful condemnation like I was bad, or they just didn't want to talk about it at all because they were terrified of it.
So I never heard of out-of-body experiences or any of that thing.
All I knew was about this witch right thing, and I knew that not only was I having the paralysis, but at age five, something was moving around my room and something was calling my name.
You have hence and since learned not only to deal with the fear that comes with that moment of being paralyzed, but going beyond it, which is a real key, and then actually leaving your body, right?
And when you leave your body, you can literally go anywhere.
And like that's one of the things, see, I thought it was, as I got past the witch rides superstition, I started thinking, well, this is just a lucid dream.
And that was okay because I was having fun, I was flying, and if it's just, I knew I was having the experience, and if it was a lucid dream, then so be it.
But when someone, a doctor who had had a near-death experience, I attended her class, and she's the first one that ever even asked me the question of if I was having night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
And she was the very first person that suggested that it was more than just a lucid dream.
So I didn't believe her.
I was very skeptical about it.
So the first thing I did is I told her, well, it's happening to me almost every night.
And if it's really happening, then I'm going to try and come see you.
I said, kind of skeptically.
And I really didn't think it would work.
I had no confidence in it, but I knew it was happening in a lot.
And because I'm a scientist, I figured, you know, process of elimination, that would at least be something that didn't work.
But I was surprised that I did have, after leaving the physical body, after having the paralysis, after making my request, I felt some strange presence around me.
And next thing I knew, I was in the same flying mode that I had been in for years and years and years.
There was no difference, except that I couldn't control the direction because I guess I had already made my request.
I could control the altitude and the speed in which I would fly.
You know, I don't really think since we're in international airspace, I don't think we have anything to be apologetic for.
The fastest-moving aircraft is the one who's really responsible in any case because he can get out of the way a lot faster.
And he probably was harassing the prop, a turboprop-driven Navy ship, and something happened, and they clipped each other, and I think he knocked out two of the engines.
It landed on only two props.
And unfortunately, having a small fighter, it can be gouged and damaged very easily and probably caught fire and crashed.
Well, somebody in the administration today said that that Chinese, they knew that Chinese pilot somehow, I guess Intel did, and he's a hot dog, they say.
And I'm pretty sure they destroyed some of the valuable stuff, but it's just possibly the setup, and then there's a few other things, and maybe some boards and things like that that they probably can recover.
And then from there, I wanted to work on a larger aircraft.
And I think President Reagan has just gotten back in office, and he's restarted, rekindled the B-1 bomber program, which was killed by, I think, Jimmy Carter.
So I started working on the B-1 on design of the flight control systems and the rotary launcher, which launched cruise missiles, things like that.
Oh, by the way, by the way, a very nice lady at KFI, the mighty KFI in Los Angeles, contacted me because somebody from MGM TV contacted her, and it seems like they're going to bring back the outer limits.
22 brand new episodes of The Outer Limits is going to be on the sci-fi channel.
And they wanted to come on the program.
So, hmm, you bet.
Ah, the outer limits.
What a great show that was.
So at some point, we will have the people from Outer Limits on.
Since then, literally hundreds of thousands of people have written me and come to the lectures and all kinds of things talking about their experiences.
I mean, right now I have just tons of letters I haven't been able to get a whole get to because there's so many people now having these experiences.
And well, matter of fact, that's two-thirds of the answer.
The OBE category gets divided into living and dead because, I mean, a near-death experience, leaving the physical body, that type of thing is still an OBE.
The other kind could be yourself in a way, but it has to do with the difference in time shift and reality and physical plane shift.
But these are the very rare ones.
The most common one that probably people will see are the ones that are people who do not live or are deceased or are in between lives.
And the reason, and I have a real couple interesting stories that I'd like to share with you that kind of just give you a little bit of ideas.
Okay, but see, you have to take out of this whole equation the physical realm of a place, of a location.
Because we're not talking about any of those, even though we here with the physical body and the five senses are very aware of our three-dimensional world.
But in that case, they have no limitations like that.
And what it is, is really a vibratory level.
And that's why sometimes when you see them, depending on how turned up your five senses are, the more turned up your five senses are, the less you're going to be able to perceive these things.
And so when you try to look and you try to focus on what you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, you no longer can perceive it.
It's only when you're not thinking about it that you kind of see something move around you.
Now, what happens is in the lowest area of perceiving these things, you perceive it as a dark humanoid type shape, generally, transparent shape.
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It's moving rapidly because it's independent of your time frame.
So it can move out of your vision very, very rapidly without you even seeing which direction it went.
At a higher level, it's usually because of an altruistate or you're nearing like an out-of-body consciousness.
But they can also happen when you're nearing the point of death or about to die.
People in hospices start seeing the shadows in the early part of their life degrading.
And then right before the day they leave, they can see it even clearer and sometimes even see the physical person standing there.
Now my uncle, he passed away a few years ago, and a couple days before he passed away at the memorial, what is it, the Veterans Memorial Hospital, I was talking to him, and occasionally he would look over my shoulder as if he was seeing something, and I'd look like as if someone walked in the room and there was nothing there.
And I'd look back at him and he would look at me puzzled like he didn't really want to say what he thought he saw.
A few days later, I got a call saying that he was on his last leg and only had a few hours to live and yet he was still conscious.
When I came into the room and I sat there next to the bed talking to him, he looked over and he said to me, and then this really, and this was before I started having these autobiography experiences and things, he said to me, who is that standing over in the corner of the room smiling at me?
And I looked over my shoulder.
There was no one I could see there.
But because his life was ebbing away slowly but surely, that meant he was slowly turning down the volume on his five senses and starting to turn up the volume on his extra senses, the ones that we have in the out-of-body state or at a higher level.
And then the next day after that, he passed away.
So that tells you that at the very low level, they're very hard to perceive.
The glimpses, shadows, wisps of wind, that kind of thing.
And at the higher level of consciousness or nearing the point of death, leaving the physical body, then we can perceive these a lot more.
Right before he got out of the car, he had excruciating pains in his chest.
They put him on a gurney, and he said when they laid him back on the gurney, he knew he had taken his last breath.
He clutched his chest.
All of a sudden, there was a loud pop.
And then next thing he knew, he was staring, he was outside of a crowd of people working on this guy on a gurney.
And he was looking at the doctors, and he thought to himself, why are you working on him?
He should be working on me.
And just as he said that, all of a sudden, these beings, like several of them, weren't just one or two, but maybe eight or nine, surrounded him toward the back.
And it didn't scare him.
He felt as if he knew them.
He couldn't identify them, but he felt definitely that he knew them.
And one of the things I told him, you don't have to stay here if you don't want to.
You can go with us.
And he told me, he said he really, for a few seconds, he really thought about going with them because he really felt that he wanted to go.
He had really left or kind of like returning home kind of feeling.
But then he thought about the people that he would be leaving behind, his kids and things like that.
And he'd made his decisions to stay.
Just about that time, a nurse came running out of the hospital, put this apparatus on the guy on the gurney that they were working on.
And next thing he knew, he felt this extreme acceleration, and he felt like as if he was slammed onto the gurney.
He was staring up at the crowd, a circle of people staring at him and looking at him and saying, you're not going to die.
And so when I called me up, and here I am, a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and my best friend has a near-death experience, which is quite weird.
So he calls me up, and I go down to the hospital, and he's in the hospital shaking his head.
And I said, well, what's wrong?
What's going on?
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He tells me the full story, and he continues to shake his head.
So he couldn't perceive them when he was in the physical, but as soon as he got out of the physical, he could perceive a multitude of people around him who were non-physical beings.
A lot of people say, Albert, that when we're dying or when we're having an NDE or a very traumatic event, our brain begins a superproduction of endorphins to protect itself against what's occurring.
to cushion the blow of dying or the pain of dying or the experience of dying.
And that's all it is, is a bunch of excited endorphins.
Well, okay, as a researcher, I'm not going to just jump to conclusions.
Let's say that is possible.
Well, then I'm going to look at all the cases of everybody who's ever gone to the brink of death and come back.
And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a list of everything that all of these people have in common.
And then I'm going to see if there's some similarities.
Now, if it's just a random thing and it's not related to anything beyond the body or consciousness that exists beyond the physical, then there should be very few things, categories that match in all of these people that I test.
No matter what your spiritual beliefs are, no matter what your geographical location is, no matter what your academic level of achievement is, no matter what anything, no matter if your gender is, there's multiple patterns of the same types of things people are talking about all over the world.
And not 100%, but about 70 to 80%, which to me, I think is quite phenomenal and needs to be definitely paid attention to because that's a pattern that implies some type of proof or at least is a beginning of indication of proof.
So that's what I would look at.
So they say endorphins are flooding the brain, but then I can't explain why all these people are talking about the same thing.
That would make me feel better about my own results.
And then still I would have some doubt, but it would tend to sway me in more of the pattern of thinking that there is something going on rather than there isn't.
And there's really no way, is there, to get proof beyond that point, the gathering of similar cases.
And if it was just endorphins, you would think you'd get an absolutely random you might get spectacular descriptions of experiences, but you wouldn't get this repetitive experience.
And looking at it psychologically, you would think that if this was an individual experience, then the experience that they would be able to relate would be based on their individual lives.
So it would be from their perception or their perspective only.
Well, if we're talking about a non-traumatic death, meaning you haven't been flown through the windshield or something like that, I would say it's quite pleasant, quite peaceful.
And that leads me to my third story I'd like to share with you.
Well, I heard his brother tell him on the radio many times.
And then I think I read about it in some magazine or something like that.
But I did hear his brother talk about it.
And as a matter of fact, his brother even said that up until that point, he had no belief in anything after that.
But because of that experience with Sam, he began to believe that there had to be something else going on because of the last few minutes of his life and what happened.
So whatever he wasn't able to perceive in the physical, and as he began to slowly lose grips with the physical body and the five senses, all of a sudden he could perceive something else there that brought him comfort and solace.
Tomorrow night, you're going to want to get the kitties out of the room.
It's Major Ed Dames, the remote viewer, Major Ed Dames, and he says he's got some very grim news.
That was a conversation we had, Shoreline.
I didn't even want to ask him what.
So tomorrow night, the kiddies are out of the room, and right now, too, because the next segment is going to contain some rather adult material, something we haven't covered with Al Taylor previously, but it's about to.
This will be a trick-easy question first from Ken in Phoenix, Arizona.
I think it's a very interesting question.
In my experience, the further out you go, the more peaceful, safe it becomes.
Ken, a very evolved person from Phoenix, Arizona, asks, could someone doing an OBE, astral projection, observe someone of the opposite sex undressing, showering?
This is somebody who at one point actually attended a Learning Light seminar that you did in Southern California.
Her name is Karen, and she writes as follows.
Art, I thought I heard you mention that Al Taylor is going to be on the show this week.
If so, can you please pin him down and get him to talk frankly about the sexual aspects of OBEs?
I can certainly understand why OBE experts hesitate to openly discuss that angle of the experience, but the fact is, sex often plays a very prominent role, especially for a beginner who does not have a lot of control over the experience.
And definitely if the person has a lot of pent-up sexual energy, which is not being utilized in the physical state.
Robert Monroe does have an entire chapter devoted to sex in one of his OBE books, but he's one of the few authorities who's brave enough to delve into the issue.
I'm not done yet.
Here's the best part.
Since no one really talks openly about it, I was very confused as to why, especially at the beginning, I kept finding myself flying out over the ocean, then being pulled down to ships at sea, having orgies for hours with the astral forms of men on those ships.
But I finally theorized that what was happening was that my intense pent-up female sexual energy was drawing me to the male sexual energy of the men on the ships who were no doubt sex crazed due to being pulled away from women for so long while out to sea.
And in my new book, Soul Traveler 2 Grounded by Bad Weather, I have a chapter that says physical sex, astral sex, and God.
And it talks about exactly all of that.
And so this is, and that's something that I've been getting a lot of questions on, and I never really addressed it in any of my lectures or the book before, but I definitely covered in the new book.
But I give you a little bit into different perspective on what it's all about.
And it's not, because we know it's not about procreation because the physical, the astral body doesn't procreate.
What is the desire to bond or share that kind of energy?
What's really going on there?
And that's what I talk about in the new book.
I go beyond just the physical aspect of what it is or what we think it is and go into, since we're talking non-physical, into the energy aspect of it and what we're really trying to achieve in that desire.
What's really going on there?
And I believe it has a lot more to do with connecting with our true selves and God than it does the actual act of sex or procreation.
And so there is something greater than just sex aspect of what's drawing us to that whole experience.
And what the true experience is something that I believe is becoming one to what we were before we came here and the pure ecstasy of what it's like to be close to, if you believe in God or the Creator.
And the reason I even say that is because I have another friend of mine who had a near-death experience, and she drowned while diving off the island of Catalina.
And when she had her, when she felt that her regulator started malfunctioning, and all of a sudden she started panicking and suffocating, then the next thing she knew, she was surrounded by this song, and then she found herself floating above the water, watching her physical body sink below the waves, and then she was drawn up into the light, and this is how she described it.
She said, the experience of reuniting with this light source, this intelligent conscious energy, was purely orgasmic.
So I think, and that's why by her description and a lot of other people's descriptions who've actually gone to beyond just the physical, beyond just having an out-of-body experience, to actually having some encounter with this light force, that seems to be the big draw of what's going on there.
And everything else we do is almost kind of supplementing that in the astral.
And the physical, I believe, is definitely so that we can procreate and populate the planet.
In the astral, it doesn't make sense to apply those same rules.
Caester in Anaheim asks, or says, since I have had out-of-body experiences since I was a child, so he's like you in a way.
But I want to know how not to have them.
I just want to sleep.
And I would add myself that compared to bad dreams or even a frightening bit of being paralyzed or an OBE, some people prefer the old-fashioned little slice of death.
So if he's having them and he can't stop them, I'm not sure you've ever considered this before.
You probably don't get this question all that often.
The thing is, I can tell you about when you're about to separate from the physical or you're having the night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
The one thing that seems to bring me back faster than anything is not trying to move my entire physical body, but trying to move just a small portion of my body, like my little finger or my toe or something like that.
So if you want to get out of the paralysis and not have an out-of-body experience, just try to move a small portion of your body.
And once you can do that, everything else kind of reconnects on its own.
If you were at a conscious level and you knew you were having a consciously controlled out-of-body experience, you could, something could happen and you would be impervious to pain.
But if you weren't all that aware and you were kind of lucid and didn't know what was going on and kind of believed that this was a real lion or a shark or whatever and it bit you, you could imagine and actually feel pain.
People have been hypnotized where they have been given quarters and told that these quarters are hot.
And then the person, they put it in the hand and they act the quarter because they believed in their consciousness was convinced that it actually left a ring around their palms as if they had been burned.
The mind is so incredibly powerful, it takes a lot of practice to control.
But it's up to you.
It's not an external thing.
So that gives you hope right there.
It's about what do you want to do?
And you have complete the you have the To control your out-of-body experience and have nothing but wonderful experiences as long as you focus on that and practice and release some of the negative stuff.
The mind is very, very powerful.
It's almost like being a genie all of a sudden.
And anything you think will manifest, be it good or bad.
There's no judgment.
It will just happen.
So with that kind of consciousness, it really takes a lot of practice to be able to control it.
It's because that particular neighbor is sensitive to subtle energies.
And that particular neighbor can pick up more than just your astral form, probably can pick up a lot of astral forms or dark shadows or something that's non-physical.
But yes, it is definitely possible.
It is also possible and more probable that children and babies can see you.
And it is more probable and possible that animals can detect you also.
Like cats, cats and things like that can perceive subtle energies that we humans in the physical form aren't able to do.
Have you ever had a physical person or animal or any being recognize you, recognize your presence, acknowledge your presence, or be scared by your presence, or in any way react to you?
Maybe when I do my show open from now on, I should say, from Guam in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands and all the ships at sea that this program provides us service for.
And it would be great to get some calls from overseas because on the tour of the new book, I'm going to be going to England and Germany, as a matter of fact.
If the person is capable of traveling OBE, they pretty much can go as they please anywhere they want.
I mean, and the better you get at it, the more places you can go.
Protection-wise, I mean, I understand her privacy concerns and all of that, but it's very rare for a person to target another individual and be obsessed with them to go see them uninvited.
Well, the people that I have read their books and they have had incredible journeys are generally people who are very, very spiritually grounded or spiritually aware.
For instance, like Po Amahanta Yogananda and a few other Indian gurus and even people like Robert and things like that, they weren't focused in that aggression, anger area.
Most of the people have been very well educated, peaceful, kind, and that kind of thing.
So I tend to believe that it goes hand in hand with that direction rather than the other.
But if people are in, let's say, their first experiences and they're kind of like floating around and not really getting their bearings, and they have all this extra sexual energy or pent-up energy where they want to, I guess, get connected with other people, would this be an explanation for the mythologies of succubus or incubus?
And they would try to report it, and since that's such an ancient belief, then they would try to equate it and understand it based on what they understand about their reality.
And demons and things like that were part of their reality, so I could see them saying that.
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And it was usually priests or other people who had a lifestyle that didn't let them really go into that area anyway.
I would say the priest probably never, or the high priest or whatever they would have been called at that time, probably never would have admitted to it.
Usually it was the people or the common folk that would talk about things like that, and they would go to the head of the church or whatever, the spiritual leader of that area, and he would be the one to either condemn them or exorcise them or whatever.
What if they source them?
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One quick further question.
If a person isn't ethical and they're out there, I mean, because I've known people who've had, and they didn't even expect it.
Well, I mean, since it is a talent of the soul, a lot of people are going to have the experience.
Now, how many times and how good they are at it, I think that all depends on pretty much how clean your house is.
I mean, you don't have to be a saint to be able to travel, but to really accomplish, to have no limits, I believe that those type of things, negativities and things like that hold you back.
And the only reason I would say it is possible, only because I don't see it being impossible, but I can say this, I haven't run into anybody that I can know that is really efficient at it, that it has an unethical also.
I have run into somebody recently, and it's rare that someone gets nauseous, but I just ran into this person, I think, within the last 24 to 48 hours that also talked about getting nauseous and having a stomach problem.
But like I said, that is, out of 100 people, that's maybe 1%.
When you have out-of-body experiences, the whole non-physical world opens up to you.
And you could have encounters with everything from strangers who have passed to astral travelers, which are very few, that's very rare, to non-physical beings that the same ones that come when a person is about to die or something that's about to happen, traumatic experiences about to happen.
So you could have encounters with a whole host of non-physical beings.
And see, that's just, you know, that may be another terminology for the same thing.
I know this, is when I've come out a lot, there are the same kind of, there's maybe one being there or maybe a few, but it's always the same beings or same type of beings.
And sometimes there may be a deceased person that I may not know.
But if you look at it, then I would think if the shadow people were something different from these, then I should be able to, since I'm at a heightened sense of awareness, way beyond the five senses, I can pick up what the five senses can and more.
I should be able to see maybe this other group of individuals, standalone individuals who we label shadow people.
But I don't.
I see these other beings all the time.
So I'm thinking maybe because we, I really believe that we as a human species are evolving, and maybe some of these talents of the soul are slowly waking up, and some of those are allowing us to see these shadow images.
And who knows, after a period of time, over the next few years, 100 years, maybe we will be able to actually see ghosts or deceased persons walking around.
We will be at that level of awareness.
I don't know.
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I believe that.
I agree.
I agree.
I see those things.
I see people pass all the time or are passing or about to pass.
Like, we may be evolved to the point where we no longer are handicapped by things like food and substance, and we may live at a totally different level of awareness.
Where it may not be any more sickness and violence and those types of things.
Maybe we will truly evolve into a galactic species, so to speak.
Do you have any idea what he's talking about, Albert?
I think I do, but I'm going to hold him over because it's a mystery to me.
So stay right there.
This is coast to coast AM into the night and the unknown once again.
Here's Albert Taylor.
All right, hold on, Doctor.
Here's this caller again.
Now call her.
Try it one more time.
I somehow wasn't getting it.
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Okay.
It seems to me that the evolution of the human is not really physical, or that's not what propelled it.
It seems like the evolution of the human spirit was trying to feel comfortable with the different environments.
And it's almost like the new realm of the spirit.
It was almost like trying to step outside, and then it got a little bit further, and then it got a little bit further.
And maybe now today, because of our advancement, we're able to go, oh, I don't know, China, and maybe start maybe receiving things that they're needing and things that we're doing over here that we need to be aware of before we can fully be able to partake in whatever that.
Yeah, first of all, I thought you were talking about the cavemen and maybe them projecting out of body because of being cold or something.
But what I thought you were leading to was indigenous primitive peoples, not necessarily cavemen, and why they would have a need to protect out of the body.
Because, I mean, Americans, out of all the people in the world, Americans are really good, are really good at being able to reach out in different new ways that we can't quite understand and that we're just learning about.
Well, regarding the Americans, the Western world practicing these things and evolving into the area of being able to project themselves and have these experiences, I personally feel that the Western world is in the infant stages of development spiritually and the Eastern world.
So maybe there was logic to what he was saying after all.
Maybe from the caveman to the modern American to the spiritual joiner who would then meet up with other spiritual beings in the world like the Chinese.
I had a hair-raising experience several months ago.
I was asleep, and I wasn't really in a deep sleep.
And ever since I was younger, I've been able to have OVEs.
And almost to the extent when I was awake as well, I could look at a building, top of the building, and instantly be looking down from it and see how high it looked from the top.
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Anyways, one night when I was not fully asleep, I was having an OVE, and I was going at an accelerated amount of speed all the way up through the stars, and I could see the stars ripping past me.
And then all of a sudden, I stopped, and then I kept going.
Then I stopped, and it's on my father's face.
He's passed on.
He was smiling and stuff.
And then all of a sudden, he had his face expression turn to an angry expression.
He yelled no.
Then his face turned to a green skull and then exploded.
And I woke up.
My wife said, I woke up.
I was thrashing about, flinging my arms back and forth, beating her up.
And, well, I can't say specifically without asking you a lot more questions, but I can say this.
Sometimes when we call, like I would have out-of-body experiences in the beginning of it, it would be very clear, and I could see what's going on, but then for whatever reason, something, away with thoughts or thoughts or fears or anything, or even past experiences would come to memory or come to the forefront of an individual that I was having an encounter with, and those past experiences would actually project onto that individual something different than they were projecting to me.
And it was me contaminating the experience, and it goes into like from a conscious out-of-body state to like a lucid or even semi-lucid dream state.
And in that state, all kinds of dream material could happen, and anything bizarre or wild or surrealistic could transpire.
So that may have been what happened to you.
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I have a little bit of fear.
I have one quick question, and I'm going to let you go.
Ever since I was younger, I told my mother that I was able to have these out-of-body experiences.
She told me not to because when you're out of the body, a wandering spirit or one that was taken early and didn't feel like it was their turn to go could inhabit your body.
I had in my book, I talk about when I went to go see the doctor and I was at the foot of her bed.
And I was talking.
Now I found out there's a part of her consciousness that never sleeps.
So I was able to actually have a brief conversation with this other aspect of her.
After I came back to the physical body, I wrote all this down.
This happened on a Saturday.
I approached her on Monday at a class she was teaching at the local college and she said I said, you know, something really interesting happened to me over the weekend.
And I said, I thought I came to visit you.
And she said, you know what?
On Saturday, I had a dream that you were standing at the end of my bed.
See, and she didn't remember much more than that, but I remembered a lot more than that.
So that may be the state that that's kind of how you can influence their dream state, which she really was in a contaminated awareness state rather than a pure, full-blown, mythical, fantasy dream state.
So yes, you can interact with them to a certain degree.
my soul is more like everywhere than just in one certain spot like it it's supposed to be but it's expanding you know you know I would describe my experience and and you just did it with words far better than mine have been to it I had this brief experience ma'am that I had in Paris and you do it when deep breathing because that's when it happens to me it sounds just like what you explained that's wonderful that it happens to you I mean,
I was born there and lived there most of the part of my life and was raised with the, they taught me when I was younger that bombs used to explode in Nevada and the things that were really going on in Area 51.
And I was raised with that.
And actually, my stepfather used to help build Mills Air Force Base.
And I was there when the marshmallow factory and everything blew up.
In other words, if somebody's had an accident or they've been in some way really hurt and they're confined, when they're astrally traveling, are they free...
You may take the trauma for a little while to the other side with you, but it dissipates and you start becoming you will start becoming an image of the best you've ever been in this life.
People have reported seeing loved ones in dreams and things like that after they pass, and they always report that they've looked like they were 10 or 20 years younger and in the best health of their life.
So, no, you don't take the physical abnormalities and things like that that we have over here over there.
One thing that I wanted to mention is that I've had experiences when I'm astral traveling where I actually meet somebody that I know in my daily life.
I mean, somebody that is alive, they're not dead.
And they actually will sometimes mention to me first, or I'll mention to them, you know, a specific place that we remember being in.
And often it seems like we've actually traveled rather than having it been some kind of like a variance or dream experience.
And so that's kind of like when I first started realizing that there was some sort of somewhat physical reality to what was happening rather than it being like all in my mind.
So you have the experience, and then after you come back, you see the person in the physical, and they can remember the experience also.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
That happens.
That can happen.
And I also will have experiences where I will see something, like I'll go to a different place, I'll see an object in a room that I didn't know was there.
All right, then I'm going to hold you through the break.
stay right there imaginary Or perhaps astral?
You must ask for a second.
Once again, Dr. Albert Taylor and our caller, you are back on the air, ma'am.
unidentified
Wonderful.
Like I was saying, you know, I've seen objects in rooms that I've astrally traveled into that I couldn't have possibly known were there.
And other incidents happened where it was really clear to me that it wasn't just something in my mind like a dream that seemed real.
It was actually like I was physically leaving my body somehow.
And I've done this with people before, and so that also kind of proved it to me.
One thing that kind of concerned me, though, was that something that you said about the astral sex thing a little while ago about the fact that novices tend to have experiences like that and so forth.
And while, I mean, I wouldn't say that I've been doing this my whole life.
Ma'am, were you hoping to have one of those experiences or hoping to avoid that?
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
Actually, I've been doing the astral travel thing for like maybe 14 years and I've never had anything like that happen.
But what happened is that I fell in love with somebody and it accidentally happened.
And the thing that's odd here is that it was not some kind of like a perverted kinky thing.
Total.
But it was an extremely spiritual thing.
And the after effect of that, which was interesting, is the fact that I did not tell this person that I'd had that experience, but he knew.
And so since this time, I mean, actually, we've gotten a lot closer, needless to say.
But the thing that I'm finding interesting is that I'm seeing that there are a lot of parallels with the astral stuff and the daily stuff, even the things that you maybe don't tell people or that you don't necessarily want to acknowledge.
And so, you know, I just kind of wanted to mention that and find out if, you know, if the doctor thinks that that's kind of like a normal experience, like if he's heard of that happening with other people in relationships or in new relationships, or if that's kind of like an off-the-wall thing or what he thinks of that.
Well, the bonding, the desire to bond with another person's energy and something like that, I think that is a very natural thing.
It just, what I was saying is that the basic astral sex thing where it's a stranger or a pile of people like in Robert Monroe's book is a novice thing, but there's always going to be that drive to bond with another person.
Now, the thing that I'm really saying here is that in the physical, it's for procreation.
Now, in the non-physical, what is going on there?
I think it's very deeply spiritual, and I think it's just a prelude to wanting to bond with something even greater than just another person who is a soul.
I think there's a thirst going on there that moves us through these different stages.
And you're out there roaming around on the astral grass, and here comes a horse charging at you with a big guy with glowing red eyes and a sickle, and he's going to lob your head off.
Let me tell you, first of all, I like to compliment you, Art.
Your juxtaposition of those two shows back to back last night and tonight's, having the scientist, the empiricist scientist, and tonight, the spiritual scientists.
And also, you're a gentleman, a scholar, the way you handle both these opposing, diametrically opposed views, and you've given both these men the respect they are due because they're both obviously highly intelligent individuals.
Before I get to Albert's question, however, Albert, it's a pleasure to speak with you.
The other night, a couple nights ago, you had the guests on talking about the air traffic controller and the, you know, talking about the trails, chemtrail.
somebody, and I'm wondering if how many other stations throughout the United States, if people should maybe report these, if they're having these things and they relegate it to some kind of, oh, it was a mistake, but when in fact it's some deliberate attempt to try to prevent information from being freely...
I've had some out-of-body experiences, and I had the usual terrifying one, the feeling of the hands gripping, trying to drag you out of your body kind of thing.
And, you know, and I've tried for a long time to overcome that because, well, you know, it has to do with a religious background, okay?
Now, I think last night's guest was hitting on some topics.
He was saying, we don't have any evidence to prove the realm of spirit.
I think science for the longest time has gotten this stick in their rear about anything spiritual because they connect it with religion, which has obviously been filling us with all kinds of hell and brimstone and everything else to create fear within us.
However, as a survival tactic, this organism finally figured a way to create an envelope, what I would call the astral body, so that there could be a survival of consciousness beyond the physical death.
Because as we evolve, the mind began to realize that there's a limit and then there's an end.
So a strategy was developed to create an envelope for the mind to transcend from the physical into this parallel reality.
And I think that in those terms, that this envelope is the astral body.
And what I'm wondering, you know, I mean, obviously that's what you use to travel, astral travel, astral project.
Just how dense, what sort of matter would you say this astral body is created out of?
And what kind of ability to, I mean, is it something we're going to eventually shed and become pure thought?
One thing I can say is that I have traveled without the astral body.
So it is not something that you are permanently in.
The astral body is for circumventing or touring the astral plane only.
It's not capable of going above that.
There are many levels above that.
So I think the etheric body, which is the light body, is the more permanent one.
The astral body is like a doppelganger of the physical.
So it does ease transition into that state.
Because if you went from a physical to an etheric state of consciousness, which you don't have arms and legs and all that, it would be extremely disorienting.
So I do think that there is a part of us that does create the astral form to make it a lot easier for us to make that transition.
And I wrote in my book where, and Robert Munro also wrote about it also.
The first level is traveling in the astral body, and then I found myself able to leave the astral body behind and exist as this pinpoint of consciousness, which was, I call, the etheric or light body.
And when I was in that body, that's when I was capable of going far beyond the astral plane.
And I actually saw things like the light and had more like angelic-like encounters.
So definitely, we definitely can travel beyond the astral plane.
You know, the thing about it is they're there all the time, and we just can't always perceive them.
So therefore, not because they're spying on you, it's probably because you know them, you've just forgotten all about them, and they're trying to help you in every way, shape, or every way, and form they can to transition and really deal with life.
So in a way, you really don't want them to go away.
If you acknowledge, if you really understood what their purpose is, then you would be glad they were there.
And matter of fact, you'd almost feel blessed that you can see them.
Well, I do think of Dr. Taylor as more of an optimist than I would be.
unidentified
Well, I'm not saying that you cannot have enlightenment.
I mean, there's several things operating here.
You cannot daydream.
I mean, you know, as a gal talking about driving, and anybody knows about, you know, mesmerized by a prop traveling in a light plane and staring through it.
I mean, having that light gated, I mean, there's all sorts of things here that are related.
But because of this thing with Courtney, Dr. Courtney Brown, I might add, we have to be very careful because in talking about mature Eastern religions, I mean, that's looking for the mantri is replacing Christ.
And I think we have to be very careful about this sort of thing.
And if Father Martin were here, I'm sure he would caution us likewise.
When we ask that we be exposed necessarily to spiritual beings, we might be courting those that are not good.
I shared with you a couple shows back, maybe even four or five shows back.
We've done so many now, that I saw some things in the future regarding the disintegration of my private life, my family life, and a bunch of other things.
And it really devastated me.
And I did my best to try to stop these things from manifesting.
I mean, I really did, and they still did.
And it was very devastating.
It was traumatic for me back in 1996.
And that's why I only give a couple warnings on this.
One of them is that you can dabble with time travel if you want, but be advised that if you do travel into the future, you may not see what's happening around the world like Daniel Brinkley did with Chernobyl.
You may see what's happening, a meltdown in your own particular path.
And you're going to have, because a lot of things must happen.
I mean, we have free will.
We can change some things, but some things must transpire, and you may have to live with it and just deal with it until it's over.
Well, that was kind of where I was, one of the questions I had.
Then another thing was I had an experience one time, kind of the waking dream quote, so to speak, where I was aware of a little girl that came to my bedside.
In other words, I didn't leave my body, but I was aware of a visit to my body from someone else that was just, it was just different.
I mean, the next morning, I couldn't shake it kind of thing.
And later, my mother had a visit from a little girl where she claims to have been totally awake, turned over just in time to kind of see her dematerialize.
And when she called, she's not the kind of person that has little crazy stuff happen either.
I mean, this was kind of real weird.
And she called to tell me about what had happened, kind of in a serious tone.
And I said, oh, my God, my little girl's come to visit you.
And it was just really kind of freaky.
Well, later, a little girl came into my life.
In fact, I cut her umbilical cord.
That I've often wondered, was that her pre-visiting me?
I shared with you some time ago, Art, that we pick our parents, and sometimes we, during that process, we do come to our prospective parents, and they do have visions of us.
And in some cases, I've had letters where people have written and said that the little boy that visited them years before, actually, they later had a boy, and he grew up to look exactly like the child that they saw in the vision.
The first one is, you know, we see people in comas, and especially Alzheimer patients.
I like to stick on this a little bit more.
In their latter stages, obviously they get more and more dementia sets in, but they start to almost go into a semi-comatose state.
When you're astral traveling, do you meet these people?
Because, you know, we here on this plane look at it and we kind of wonder, you know, what's the point of all this if these people, you know, their body functions is still alive, but their minds are gone.
Do you see anything of those people traveling up there?
If I did have an encounter with someone who had a body that was failing or suffering from Alzheimer's or something like that, the physical abnormalities wouldn't transcend to their astral body, so they wouldn't suffer from hemors or be handicapped in that sense.
Well, sometimes, now think about this, and I'm not saying this is absolute, but just think about the impact that that person is having on you.
Sometimes a person, the soul, can sacrifice their own well-being, if you look at it that way, to help influence the spiritual evolution of another.
And that's an admirable thing to do.
unidentified
You're right.
That has changed many, many families.
They come.
And my second question is, I've mentioned negative experiences.
You said you didn't have any in your file, but you kind of alluded to maybe some, the way you classify as unpleasant or some that you wouldn't say are the greatest.
Could you give us any examples of what might be considered not?
Yeah, but they might have luggage with stickers from all over the cosmos on it while you're just out there fresh and new, and you could get suckered in.
And well, the one thing you can always do, if the situation turns out to be more than you can handle, you can always pull the ejection seat and go right back to the body.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, Dr. Taylor, I purchased your book about a year ago, Soul Traveler, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
And I am a second initiate in Ekonkar.
So I enjoyed your references to going to the Los Angeles seminar some time ago and making the reference that the people in Ekonkar did not say they had a soul, but said they were soul.
I found difficulty as to why that's so hard to understand.
It's just a simple measure of believing that you're a soul that inhabits a body instead of a body that has a soul.
Like you want to store and get a piece of lawn furniture or something.
It's the viewpoint.
But what I wanted to mention, excuse me, was in reference to people who are worried about demons, you mentioned earlier about thought forms whenever you transcend to a higher state of consciousness.
For instance, going from the physical to the astral to the mental, the causal, the etheric, each one just a more refined state of vibrations.
So thus the thought forms manifest more easily.
So I use the analogy.
When you're a kid and you see you're worried about the boogeyman in your dreams, then when you wake up, when you grow older and you're an adult, you find out that the evil that exists is in the minds of men.
Use the pronoun consolidation.
In other words, the analogy is that the evil comes from the thought forms, that the demons are self-made.
And I totally agree with you.
I find it difficult to believe that if we are transcending to a higher state of consciousness, that we have to worry about demons and evil if we're not thinking that to begin with.
I think you only experience what you take into it.
And now that I don't take those things into the experience, I don't have those.
I don't have any demons in my life.
unidentified
Yeah, and one other thing you would have to learn soul travel because you made reference to that in your book.
And there was one reference in Tara Wilson's book as to when he did go out of his body and he ended up in some room of what he thought was the astral plane.
And he was talking to some individuals who asked him, asked him if he was alive or dead.
He thought that was kind of strange, and he told him alive, and they commended him for his ability to have a physical body on the physical plane, but B, where people who had deceased had already gone.
Well, I haven't been able to, I mean, I don't know what you possibly could do.
The closest evil or anything you could do to anybody would be what Robert Monroe did by pinching someone.
Other than that, I haven't been able to affect non-physical matter, I mean, non-organic matter, let alone influence somebody else.
unidentified
That's right.
Right.
What I'm getting at is that having listened to Art Bell's show before, there are evil spirits out there, according to his show.
And if you're out there on the same playing field as them, don't you think you're kind of leaving yourself without protection at kind of a vulnerable position to sort of play astro chess with someone who may not be so friendly out there?
I mean, aren't you leaving yourself in a kind of a dangerous position?
And you talked about somebody punching you in the face image that you created.
But what do you know about the possibilities of dangerous activities going on with a spiritual body that's not so kind?
I mean, if there was, I would report it, but I don't.
And I still, I travel at least once a week.
I've been doing it since I was five for 40 years.
I don't have these experiences.
unidentified
Earlier Art even said something to the effect of it sounds like only like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, excuse me, and missionaries are able to do this kind of travel.
Maybe it's because you look at yourself as a more spiritual, less evil person, and someone who's less experienced who reads your book and decides they're going to try some of these things.
Perhaps they're not as pure as you believe you are, and they could be in a lot of trouble with someone out there that's not so friendly.
You know, actually, I'm told you don't really consider that sort of specific thing, that if you made it to the moon, you'd probably have other things on your mind.
It takes a lot to focus on the same things that the personality, earth-bound personality self-defines important.
It takes a lot.
unidentified
A few years ago, an old friend of mine, she said her aunt did drummings and that into this field and that they would all meet down in the center of the earth.
I don't know where that would be, if that would be...
Well, according to Greek mythology, that's the realm of the Lord Hades, so I don't know.
unidentified
I lost contact with her, so I'm kind of wondering if that's who my cats see when I'm there having a few eyeballs at night, and I look up and she's looking at something.