John Hutchison’s experiments reveal unexplained electromagnetic forces—like levitating a 1,500-pound transformer with RF energy or turning metals into jelly-like substances—documented by credible figures like Colonel John B. Alexander and analyzed by Max Planck Institute. His zero-point energy cells, demonstrated in Japan (1994) and Germany (1995), produce weak but indefinite voltage using processed minerals like barium titanate, hinting at suppressed tech tied to Cold War-era projects. Hutchison’s claims of transmutated alloys and time distortions, including objects vanishing and reappearing altered, challenge mainstream science’s dismissal of such phenomena, suggesting a hidden revolution in energy and physics awaiting validation. [Automatically generated summary]
A quick look at the news with the multi-nambling coming up in a moment.
Storyback, you might want to make your way over to EarthFiles.com where some of the photographs supporting the incredible stuff you're about to see can be seen.
A gunman shot a U.S. soldier in the net.
As he browsed the Baghdad market on Friday, and American forces accidentally killed an 11-year-old boy.
Part of a vicious cycle of Iraqi attacks and even covered U.S. crackdowns on resistance.
And it goes on.
We're meeting a lot of resistance and we will continue to.
Why we had the war, why we're nation-building, and how we just can't stop thanking these Iraqis for that wonderful thank you they've given us every day.
Striking back against, this is a happier topic, striking back against telemarketers for countless interrupted meals, whatever the interruptors was, the public poured an avalanche, literally, of discontent into the new national Do Not Call List Friday, registering actually more than 735,000 telephone numbers, including mine, by the way, on the first day.
This is an I don't call me registry.
Don't call me.
Don't you even think about calling my telephone number, kind of registry, and I joined right away.
They always hit dinner time.
Right on the knocking, boy, you sit down.
And there's this pause.
Hello, I'm Jerry Franklin.
You know, that kind of thing.
Everybody gets them right.
Well, now there's a registry and you can sign it.
And presumably after some point, if they call you anyway, even after you've registered, then they're in trouble.
Wouldn't that be nice?
11 men, nine of them, incredibly to me, U.S. citizens, were charged with conspiring to join a Muslim extremist terror group that's been blamed for thousands of deaths in the disputed Kashmir territory of Indian Pakistan.
That American citizens would be part of this is just to me incredible.
Three teens who authorities say were apparently playing with fireworks were charged Friday with starting one of the two wildfires that burned along the Rio Grande north of downtown and drove hundreds of people from their homes near Albuquerque.
So that's kind of the news as it is.
You know, in all the years that I've been doing this kind of a program, and it's a lot of years now, there are two things, well, there are more, but there are two things that certainly stand out as anomalous then, anomalous all the years I've done this, anomalous now.
It's impossible for me to believe that with all the crop circles and all the animal mutilations that we've seen, that nobody has ever been charged.
Ever.
Not a soul caught and prosecuted.
Even caught, as far as I know.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Now, before you write this off as well, you know, people playing pranks and that sort of thing.
It's just not possible.
Look at the crop circles.
Look at the animal mutilations.
It is the most outstandingly, continually anomalous stuff on the face of the globe.
And that's what Linda Moulton Howe reports on.
She's a science reporter, has been for years for the program, an investigator into all sort of matters of high strangeness.
Winner of quite a number of awards for documentaries on our ecology, an author time, several.
She's really something, and she goes out and does the hard science in these areas.
and she's coming up if you'll just stay right where you are.
If you have done as I have suggested, and you go on to earthfiles.com, there you will see a very anomalous photograph.
It's an anonymous, apparently, I don't know, 17-year-old or something young man who took the digital image you see at the top of the page, first one.
It was taken with a new cell phone.
They've got him over there already, and we're just getting them to take digital photographs.
And it was near Montenegro, Italy.
Next morning, beneath this incredible, it looks like, I don't know, it looks like a plasma ball in the clouds, for lack of a better description, with a distinctly different color, a laser beam quality coming straight down to Earth.
The clouds in the area are illuminated.
It's pretty incredible.
Pretty incredible.
Even more so, next morning, three circles in a line of varying sizes were discovered in Montenegro, a wheat field there.
Now, that's how anomalous all of this is.
Here from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with that and a lot more is Linda Moulton Howe.
I tell you, this year of 2003 is beginning to remind me of 1991 when crop formations were reported worldwide in at least 23 countries back then.
Already, by the end of June this year, 30 crop formations have been discovered in Germany, including on that very remote isle of Rügen, where very little can be seen unless it's from the air.
And that's more than England, which now has 23.
And there have been 14 in Italy.
This is the first time that country has ever had so many.
There were a couple of commercials that were done in Wiltshire.
But what you're going to be hearing tonight are the reasons why that the patterns that I'm going to be talking about, what's been happening in Italy and many other countries, do not fit in the hoax category, has to do with lack of tracks, the inability to find any poles at the holes at the center of something that is a circle because you can't lay down a perfect circle if you were doing it unless you have some kind of a guide from the center out.
We're going to be in the area of what are truly the mysterious and the remarkable formations.
And Italy is at the top of this year's list.
Many of the fields there do not have tram lines.
Some do, some don't.
And in Italy, there have been these thick, thick carpets of thick wheat in which some of these formations have been sort of plunked down.
And when they've been discovered, there have been no tracks.
And this, I'm going to be talking just in a moment about this extraordinary sphere, ball of light, plasma, whatever it is with this beam.
But just to give a kind of continued overview, the United States, which you aren't hearing about much at all, has had at least 10 formations.
And most have not even been photographed from the air for reasons that have ranged from bad weather to people saying they didn't have money for an airplane.
They've been ranging from Missouri to Arkansas, Western Pennsylvania reports.
Maryland is probably the place where they've had the most, at least eight, according to a reporter working for the Star Democrat out of Easton.
And this started in mid-May, and I talked with another reporter today, and he says that they are still getting reports that in barley and wheat fields along a several mile stretch of road, the people have been seeing ovals.
And the reporter from Easton back in mid-May had told me that he had gone into several of these and that one of them reminded him of a zigzag.
And a zigzag is not, you can't say it was because there was rain or something like that.
It had a kind of a form to it and straight lines.
And this is coming from reporters who have gone out into Maryland.
And so that is a big question mark, but a minimum of at least eight patterns there.
Down in Louisiana, they've had reports there.
And what we need are aerial photos.
And I've sent faxes out to airports and all these places, hoping a pilot would get up and take photos.
But it's been a real challenge except for one spectacular first fractal ever in the United States that occurred in Noble, Arkansas this year.
And I'll be talking about that in the second half hour tonight.
And we'll hear, I think it's the only interview for radio that the farmer ever gave.
Holland now has three formations near the village of Hooven that's been famous over the years for crop circles and mysterious lights.
Switzerland is now reporting three formations.
Poland is reporting two.
France, Australia, and Belgium are each reporting one formation, including this spectacular formation of June 22nd that matches so closely to the Gog-Magog Hills formation in Cambridge, England that was discovered on July 25th, 2001, just six weeks before September 11th.
And many British locals referred to that back then as an angel because it had 75 thin rays that emanated from this very beautiful circle and ring.
And the difference in Belgium is that there are 54 thin rays instead of 75, and the diameter of the new Belgium pattern is smaller than the 2001 English formation.
And these mathematical differences, again, are things that people wish they understood if there is a significance.
And the question, why would this specific pattern that was at Gog Magog that we associate with nothing but war and violence written in ancient literature, why would this be the pattern that reoccurs now and why in Belgium?
But we will hear from a researcher who went to the farmer and heard firsthand how amazing the lay of this crop was, no tracks, and learned that neighbors heard a very strange and loud humming sound in the night before the formation was discovered by the farmer in the morning.
Now, we're going to start with Italy because of this extraordinary photograph that has been taken.
And they said they were absolutely, these young men were astonished to see a sphere of light appear and send a thin beam down into the crop.
And one of the teenagers had one of these new cell phones.
I've got a photograph of it in tonight's report about Italy, so people can see this new cell phone that has this little, it's like a built-in camera.
And he took two frames.
Well, Idriano Forgione, he's the editor of Hera magazine in Rome, and he's a very good friend of Montegruenero's mayor.
And the mayor called him up and told him that he knew that there was this young man who had gotten this photograph, or a couple of them.
So the editor, Adriano Forgione, called this young man and went to see him, saw the images in the phone's little viewer, and got one of the images and sent me the one that I now have posted at the top of earthfiles.com on the top of the headlines page, and it's also in tonight's report that you can get to by clicking on, click on this report for the Italian report.
And this week, I talked with Adriano about the sphere of light emitting this beam and what crop formations were discovered afterward.
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They saw this ball of light blowing in the ground and he created what they told me.
This ball of light created these light beams to the ground, but no crop was formated.
Nothing was on the ground.
Only this light beam.
And he did two pictures.
He gave me only one.
But I saw this picture on his phone.
And it's impossible to make a fake with the phone, I can tell you.
Yes, and there certainly have been a lot of descriptions around the world of people seeing spheres of light that have extended beams out from spheres to other spheres or down to the ground like this photograph.
And then that next morning in Monte Granero, there are the tree circles.
Now, these kinds of beams of light have been linked in England and Germany to crop circles before, as well as you've heard me do reports with you on Coast many times, Art, where military, whether helicopters or jets, show up because locals will call up in some cases, just like they did in Italy, and report that they're seeing something unusual in a crop farm.
Or, this is what nobody ever fully understands, is there something about this phenomena that triggers something, either in a magnetic field or other, that governments monitor, and then helicopters and jets show up?
Well, Linda, these are formed by some sort of probably microwave radiation, or some kind of electromagnetic spectrum radiation forms these, no matter what source is, and that would have, that would radiate beyond the immediate area, and it may well be the military is able to detect a massive emission of whatever sort of radiation it is and is responding to that.
Right, and W.C. Leavengood, the biophysicist who studied this for such a long time, he has that hypothesis that the energy system is a spinning plasma vortex that contains microwave energies.
And depending upon the size of that and depending upon the speed of that vortex, it could affect magnetic fields that could also perhaps be monitored.
And in fact, we'll hear something from him about that in the next half hour.
Yeah, and what exactly are these lights, these mysterious lights that in some countries they were referred to as plasmas?
Well, this week I talked with Andreas Mueller, who produces the International Crop Circle Archive and contributes to the excellent German website, invisiblecircle.com.
At the bottom of my reports tonight, I have all of the links to all of the great websites, including this wonderful German website.
And Andreas has been doing a lot of the surveys in the fields now for five or six years.
He's very familiar.
He sees and meets a lot of people.
And he told me that there has been an extraordinary eyewitness in Germany this year who wants to remain anonymous, doesn't want publicity.
But Andreas told me what happened.
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The interesting thing is that he saw or he described the very same thing that we had described by an eyewitness from 1997.
And it was that of unnatural what he saw this light phenomenon coming out of the ground and it was behind a tree.
And then the next day, how far away was the cross formation found?
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The formation was exactly in the area where the light came from, but because the trees were in between him and the light, he's not 100% sure that this came from the very same spot, but it was in 97 very similar.
There was also a bunch of trees in between, but it is like, yeah, one can say it was at least very close to the spot where the new formations have formed.
And as we move past the bottom of the half hour into the next segment, we will hear some more comments from England, from Belgium, and the United States on extraordinary formations there.
She investigates crop circles, animal mutilations, all kinds of high-strengthness, but crop circles are the focus tonight.
And in a moment, I've got quite a question for Lin-Man.
Lin-Man You know, there are a lot of these circles that when you look at them, when you study them and look at, you know, the described dimensions and all the rest of it, and you just simply concentrate on them for a while, it's obvious that humans did not do this.
Now, perhaps the Earth did.
Perhaps aliens did.
Perhaps a force that we do not yet understand did, but humans did not.
Clearly, in a lot of cases, humans did not.
I think that's something almost everybody can agree on who even in a surface kind of way studies this phenomenon.
But the big question, of course, is, and this is the one I want to ask you, Linda, is what, in your opinion, and or best guess, what do they mean?
And by that, I mean we know that there are the common links of this strange, mysterious lights to them.
And they have been there and seen and videotaped over formations since the formations began being reported intensively in the modern age, like around 1990.
And we're at 2003.
And many people have wondered if they had something to do with the geopolitical situation, the environment situation, something having to do with the dynamics between humans on the Earth.
And that really, I guess, jumped out at me when I saw the extraordinary aerial photograph taken of this most recent Belgium formation that looks so identical, really, to the Gog Magog Hills Angel of July 25, 2001, three years ago.
And that was in Cambridge.
This new one in Belgium is near a place called Gingelum.
And it is in a place where they've never had any formations ever before.
Yes, many people say that when they've meditated or thought about a particular pattern that they will find in a day or two or a week later in the fields, whether it's England or someplace else, that a pattern comes into the fields that's close to what they were contemplating on.
You see, that would relate it to geopolitical events, all kinds of events that catch the attention of everybody, and fire up a lot of consciousness on that particular subject.
And so that we would see that displayed in that manner, if indeed that's the causative agent.
Well, and when it comes to Gog-Magog, when you go back, whether you're dealing with biblical literature or any archaeological efforts to understand what Gog and Magog may have been, you find that it is always linked to war, and it is always linked to war in what we would consider to be the area of Iran, Iraq, and Turkey.
Those are the geographic areas.
And the sense of the history of those particular locations have always been linked also to something apocalyptic, meaning either the end of something in a gigantic war or certainly a gigantic change.
Right, but God may God specifically link to war, and July 25th, 2001 was about five or six weeks before September 11th.
And after September 11th, the world changed forevermore.
And it is eerie to me that now, what would it be on June 15th, that this beautiful formation, it is extraordinarily beautiful, but it is also linked to the words God Magog.
And that formation came before that one terrible event.
Could this be anticipating yet another world event?
And these are the kinds of thoughts and conversations that many of us have who have tried to answer that question you were just raising.
What could these symbols mean?
I think there's also the issue of mathematical relationships.
Most of the geometry people, including now deceased Gerald Hawkins, God rest his soul, a brilliant man, astronomer and mathematician who gave some wonderful insights into the geometries of the croft formations and concluded that based on the geometries alone that he was studying as a mathematician,
that he was encountering an intellectual profile, those were the words he used, that was beyond normal human geometry understanding.
In other words, it forced him to discover new theorems in geometry.
And that doesn't still say, that does not still say what are these, but it leads us back to the issue of the small balls of light that Robert Vanderbrucker, the young man in Holland, has said for the last five or six years that he thinks are angels.
Then you are back to the question of what does that mean and what would another dimension mean and how could another dimension, another frequency, interact with the growing crops of this planet in this seasonal way and to what end?
If it is a mathematical language, does it have something to do with its vested interest in the planet?
Or is there or are there events upcoming in time that these crop formations may actually be trying to avert some kind of destructive future?
There are many people who think that may be part of what's going on, even if we don't understand it.
And I thought it would be interesting just to hear briefly from Andy Thomas, who edits World News in England, has written the wonderful book, Vital Signs, that's now out in the United States.
And he has kind of an overview of the mysterious lights.
Anything in the Sussex area of people seeing mysterious lights?
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Not this year, but in previous years we have had reports.
Now, the something formation we had this year was on exactly the same spot as we had a formation the year before.
And the formation we had last year, there were two sort of children who claim, and we, you know, they didn't appear to be making this up or taking us for a ride.
I seem pretty serious about it.
It was a boy and his stepsister, or his half-sister, I should say.
They were aged about 12 or so.
And they say that on the night that formation appeared, they were actually woken up by a bright light over the field coming through the curtains.
Now, that field is surrounded on three sides by houses.
Now, first of all, there's basically no way, given that there are street lamps illuminating that field pretty obviously, there's no way you would crunch about in that field and make a formation there because you're just in too obvious a place.
But they claim they saw this very bright light.
And when they looked through the curtains to see what it was, there was this bright radiance, you know, literally over the area where the formation was then found the next day.
There's other instances of that.
I mean, back in 1995, we had a formation at a place called Upper Beading.
And the farmer's father actually looked out of his window in the early hours of the morning and saw these lights weaving about in the field.
And then they suddenly came together in a cluster and then shot off into the air.
And the light sort of just vanished, headed off towards the coast.
And the next morning, there was the formation in exactly the spot where he saw this.
Now, the more people began to ask him about this account, he sort of became more and more uncomfortable about it, and then in the end refused to talk any further about it.
But that must be an interesting incident of somebody connected with the farm actually seeing these lights.
And back in 1996, we had a formation, just a single circle, at a place called Manning's Heath.
Now, we contacted the farmer, and he was very dubious about letting us in to survey it, but in the end he did, and he accompanied us in.
And as we were looking at the formation, and he realized that we were serious about looking at it and investigating it, he then began to tell us some interesting stories.
And then he, the farmer, having been very cynical and skeptical at the beginning, then began to tell us about all the balls of light he'd seen hovering over his fields.
So I think there's more sightings of this kind of stuff out there than we know.
Often people will not talk about it publicly because they fear to be ridiculed.
And not only ridicule, but a lot of people are actually afraid of the light or the sounds that they hear coming from some of the fields.
And this would take us now to Belgium and the very interesting conversation that I had today with Chris Oosterlink.
He is a researcher there, and he went out to see the farmer and is the only person I know who did and went to this particular beautiful formation that is so similar to the Gog Magog from England.
And now let's hear what Chris Osterlink learned about this Belgium formation.
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I talked to the farmer who owns the field and who went as one of the first people, of course, into the field after the report came from the person driving by.
And he testified that when he first arrived, the crop was laid down, but a little bit higher as it is now.
What he first saw, I could say he saw two things.
The first thing he saw, well actually he was quite amazed, but the first thing he saw was that the crop was laid very neatly and it was laid a bit off ground.
It was not flat close to the ground, it was a bit off ground.
The second thing he told me that got his attention was the absolute perfection of the lines of the race.
Did the farmer hear any of the strange humming sounds?
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No, the farmer himself, he didn't hear any of that.
But people from the neighborhood, what the neighbors heard was during the night of Saturday, up on Sunday, was at least to say a strange sound, a continuous sound.
It was, as they explained, something that frightened them.
They were not used to it.
And a few of the neighbors, actually, the ones that the journalists talked to, they didn't want to come out of their houses.
They were so afraid of the sound.
And that was quite unfortunate, because if they went out, they might have seen something that could have helped us out about the origin of the cross-circle.
But it was a very unusual sound, and it lasted for quite a while.
And it was quite a mechanical sound, as they described it.
But it remains a mystery what the origin of that sound was, because no one did actually go out to see.
And that's an interesting point because rarely does any sound get reported.
And here we're hearing about something that sounds like a very loud, perhaps electric, some sort of like almost, as he said, a loud humming.
And if it were heard so loudly a kilometer away by people who were afraid to leave their houses, why isn't that heard at every crop formation when they occur?
And why is it that some people will see blasts of light out in a field or coming through a window, but many other people don't?
There's so many mixed signals when it comes to the mysterious light sounds in cross circles.
You know, a farmer who's used to going out and harvesting his crop and instead goes out there and finds something that looks like it came from Zeta reticuli, you know, is probably going to be a little freaked out.
And he's also going to knock people tromping across his field.
He's certainly going to be freaked out.
If you don't understand something, you react with fear.
And that will manifest itself many times with anger.
Yeah, I guess you're right because I have a little segment from this farmer, Todd Young, who his is the first, and I think the only farm, at least reported publicly in the United States ever, to get truly a kind of fractal.
It's sort of a budding fractal.
It is not the drama of England.
But he was so upset by the number of people who wanted to call him up and come see it that he just went out and cut it out.
But I did get to talk with him, and I did get a series of beautiful photographs that were taken by Kali Kat.
She's a teenage daughter of one of his friends, and I have them in the EarthFiles.com report that was filed on June 18th.
And you can find that at EarthFiles on the headlines page.
It has a hot link, and you can click and see.
That's Ogburn St. George.
Sorry.
The fractal formation that I did Todd Young was before then.
But they're all there at the headlines page.
And now, let's just hear from an American farmer who cut it down.
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I did take it from my hair.
I thought it was extraordinary and really didn't know what to think.
I've heard of cop circles, but this was the first one I ever did today.
And I believe that in one of the Bachelor Bulletin issues, they quoted you as saying that it was Europe, and I wondered if you could explain that.
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Yeah, I mean, when you see something in your field that it doesn't belong, and I have control of everything that is in my field for the most part, you know, it's it's odd, odd thing what Mother Nature or something else or somebody else did in your field.
The next ones are uh they are seventeen feet and the smaller circles are nine feet and there were uh then nine in three arms as you just described around the one large central circle.
And those three arms were equally uh distributed around that circle.
Um when you walked into the circles on the ground the very first time, did you sit down and look at any of the stems to see how they were bent down to the ground?
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Yes, I did.
I obviously I was very skeptical at first and looked at the center point of each circle and looking for something like a spike drove into the ground or something disturbed in the very center of the soil and did not find anything.
And he didn't find any tracks of any kind anywhere.
And the aerials which are on the June 13th, earthfiles.com of this formation show it to be extraordinarily beautiful, very similar to what you think of now when you think of England and Germany and Holland, which is very unusual for the United States.
I wonder how many of you are willing to consider the proposition that perhaps these anomalous circles are designed by us.
Perhaps the physical ability to manifest them in the fields is a simple tapping, or not so simple tapping, of zero-point energy, which is going to be our next subject, John Hutchinson, a scientist from Canada, and energy from the air.
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Canadian-born scientist John Kenneth Hutchison is credited with the discovery of a highly anomalous electromagnetic field that causes, get this, the jellification of metals, spontaneous levitation of common substances and other effects resulting from what is believed to be a very complex scalar wave interaction between electromagnetic fields and matter.
Now that's pretty complicated.
Sounds that way, right?
But the jellification of metals.
The spontaneous levitation of things that means rising, just rising into the air.
But the lucky part about all this stuff was that a good team way back in the early 80s, Hathway and Bezaro, there, they sort of launched me into the scientific community.
And one of my first main contacts was Colonel, Lieutenant Colonel John B. Alexander, who am I?
It's a vast amount of equipment, which is Tesla coils and RF generation equipment, let's say, electrostatics, and all formed and put into a geometric pattern.
hundred wants for a flight and because you get detected down by the department of transport in canada here You're probably safe going into a dummy load.
This is all modulated, like external modulation inputs.
And the Tesla coils are run by what they call spark gaps in the very old days.
I mean, this is going way back to 1980.
And the spark gaps, of course, they heat up and they start to expand a bit, setting off frequencies that were changing the frequency.
Then I got into vacuum tube Tesla coils, what would put out very high Q coils that are not sparky types, but more putting out a lot of energy if you just walked up to it.
Let's say put a fluorescent lamp to it that would light right up.
This kind of thing.
What I did was worked back in time to actually recreate a lot of these machines that were to the old standards of the turn of the century.
Ah, well, a lot of technology has been forgotten and bypassed in all kinds of areas.
I'm running into that all over the place.
Things that were known back at the beginning of radio, for example, that have virtually been forgotten or discarded because somebody didn't understand why it worked, that kind of thing.
Yeah, I'm running into a lot of that lately, John.
So if you're sort of playing around with a lot of the same things that involved the Philadelphia experiment, I alright, so you get all of this going, and then what happens to the object?
Since you didn't know you were about to be levitating things, what were you trying to do with the experiment you were running that ended up doing this?
So you're trying to tell me that in the dark, you hear the crashing sounds, somehow or another, you figure out that you're beginning to move objects randomly in the room with this operation.
And actually, my landlord's son there, we used to play with the field by throwing bits of paper and other things into the field and it'd throw it back to us.
Because to be totally honest, I was really in, let's say, not home behind the eyes with this kind of stuff because I lived quite a licented life.
We did for McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Corporation for Jack Houg, who had a controlled experiment, and then later on for the Canadian government, who then classified it as a matter of national security.
Yeah, I'm still trying to get the videos to this day out of them from DSTI, or the Director of Scientific Technical Intelligence Agency in Ottawa, but they deny coming here.
But I have all these letters and stuff from these guys, Dr. Kuhn and Lori and Colonel Tim Deere and other even members of Parliament who got involved in this project.
Although when I do television shows, I will get a guest on, like Colonel Alexander or Jack Houk or many others who are witness to the experiments, and they'll back me up in a way that they were there and seen these things happen.
Well, in that time period, it was more or less that I got more in tune to the equipment and did modifications and upgrades so that the rates per hour were increased instead of, let's say, several major effects per day.
Well, somewhere along the line here, you changed something or did something that caused the effect to stop happening when you wanted it to, I guess, right?
But I mean, you must be able to correlate what you're doing with the success rate that you're having for repeatability.
I mean, there must be some way you know whether you're going to be succeeding or whether something is wrong with the process that you're going to have.
I sort of reincarnated the lab because the lab was destroyed back in 1990.
When I was invited to Europe to Dr. Peter Kukoshnik, who was a very famous Austrian scientist, the lab was to be shipped over there.
This is when I wanted to leave this group that wanted to take it back into the military-industrial complex by invitation of these people in Germany and Austria.
Well, you see, luckily they were trying to do this all kind of secretly, and then some hermit was living under the Alex Fraser Bridge in Vancouver here, and he leaked it to the front page of the newspapers.
Well, I kind of relate it to putting it all together over quite a length of time, again, using that word, because we'd have samples that would disappear right off the shelf and reappear, and they look older.
And I declined because it took away all my freedom to demonstrate this to the general public and to news media.
So I walked away from Paris Tech in 1986, went to a lawyer to, you know, have a lawyer there to protect me.
And then after that, I met up with a group from Boeing Aerospace who then funded me and we did the research very heavy.
And by that time, what happened was they wanted to get back all the technology back into the military and then they kicked me right out of my own company.
And that's when the German and Austrian teams who were highly interested in what I'm doing and got lawyers involved and other folk got me safely to Germany with the lawyers saying, well, don't worry about anything.
We'll handle everything with the lab.
We'll have it shipped to you.
And what happened there, of course, even a court, a BC Supreme Court order saying that it will be a trial on the proof of ownership of this lab, which is no problem because I have all the witnesses.
The government walked all over the court orders and everything else, and the lab was seized.
I learned about that when I was in actually in Germany through a newspaper.
Well, again, I mean, I've been saying this right along.
If what you're saying is true, there would be so many potential military, national security-type applications to it that the government would go berserk.
I mean, totally berserk, and would do whatever they would have to do to get hold of the technology that could do what you claim it can do.
Well, they probably think that, you know, whitewash it with it, calling it PK or something like that would sort of whitewash it down where people wouldn't get that interested in it.
Well, yeah, but PK is an entirely different thing.
That's an effect of the mind or of some other unknown force on material objects, but it's not specific technology involved to either change the atomic structure of something or to levitate it, to bring it, to divide gravity and put it in the air.
Oh, it's quite a lengthy section with photographs.
They go into all the mysteries and mystiques, CIA, and all that neat stuff about yours truly that I didn't know about.
And, you know, I'm reading this stuff, and Nick Cook's an excellent writer and journalist.
He works for Jane's Defense Weekly as the chief aviation editor.
And I'm sort of rolling on the floor laughing because I didn't know these things happened that he found out about and is writing about.
So I thought, okay, if they have the technology in that, according to what was on TLC, you know, I should get a little bit of recognition for it, maybe?
You would think so.
But, you know, then my mind jumps back to 1993 when my sponsor there, Alex Pizarro, said that basically we felt that we let the governments too close to the project and they just took off with it.
Because prior to that, we were expecting $35 million to R ⁇ D it to a functional level.
I've read about some case history of scientists working at Lawrence Livermore, who, under the Reagan Star Wars thing, which this was supposed to be part of, who are very unhappy people.
They have all these restrictions and that.
To me, money is very helpful.
I've been sponsored by Japan and Germany in the 1990s, but I prefer my freedom to being clamped down in a situation where I can't talk about the research.
Back in 1994, I gave a demonstration of them in Japan, 1995, on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, which it was a much larger unit, more complex.
You can sort of relate it in a way that perhaps, like, it'll collect zero-point energy that is around us all, everywhere through the universe, supposedly, according to certain scientists that have Nobel Prize winners.
Because basically the zero-point energy was discovered by CASMIR using metal plates that were charged.
And these little plates would come together on their own and somehow produce more energy that was given to them in the beginning.
So my idea was, well, gee, okay, I just had an idea.
What if I had ground-up materials, special metals that are very electrically active, and mix it in with a very electrically active minerals, which I did do with water, and then boil out all the hydro components from this material and put it in a little container and see if I, basically if I could charge it with about 20,000 volts of direct current to give it a memory.
it doesn't matter if you can demonstrate one bold and almost any amount of current that is virtually If you ground this thing out, if you short this thing out, and then you observe the voltage on it when you remove the short, what kind of rise time do you get?
So this material, barium titanate, is actually classified by the Aircraft Safety Commission people as a self-reactive material.
So if I go back and study self-reactive materials, I understand that Westinghouse, For instance, would make common tar and wax self-reactive through a vaporization process and pass it through a high-tension direct current, maybe 40,000 volts, and it's reliquefied in a capacitor.
So I have one of these old self-reactive capacitors.
And if what he says is true, then he's levitated objects in the air.
There's proof of it stills, video.
Levitated material things in the air.
We'll talk about what those are.
He's developed a power cell, a battery that scavenges whatever it is out there for power.
And you know, if all of this really were true, the Canadian government, yeah, they'd take his lab and they'd probably truss him up like a Christmas turkey.
You know, I've always been very, very skeptical about people with claims, whether it be a carburetor that goes 150 miles or whether it be a little black box that produces more output than it does, you know, have input.
In other words, an energy generating device.
All of these things, they have fairs where people bring these things and demonstrate them.
And can I look in the box?
Oh, you can't look in the box.
That's proprietary.
I can't look in the box.
But they make these claims.
And I've always been, and I think properly, extremely skeptical of these claims.
However, here we have John who's talking about levitating things, who's talking about turning metals into a moving jelly-like substance as a result of this radiation process that he's come up with.
And I would normally be every bit as skeptical.
And the battery, of course, one volt, nearly continuous, and builds right back up again.
Hardly any current, but nevertheless, one volt.
Now, you know, normally I just sort of laugh this off, I think, but I put up this recent antenna you all know about, thousand-foot loop times two, two thousand-foot loops.
And I'll be damned if there's not all kinds of anomalous energy coming from this thing, you know, about 400 volts.
I don't know what kind of current yet, AC and DC components.
I mean, really weird.
This is coming from.
Well, I don't know where the hell it's coming from is really the bottom line.
It's pretty anomalous right now.
Since I've got you on the line, John, you know about it, maybe, or something about it.
I feel that with the Hutchinson effect apparatus, it has to be zero-point energy because it's the only energy that can deliver that amount of energy to take metal bars and twist them in knots or melt them or much like the little battery.
PCBs are contained in older transformers, electrical transformers, folks, you know, and they're somewhat poisonous and blah, blah, blah, damaging to the environment, and they're changing, you know, power companies have all pretty much changed out or in the process of changing out anything they use with PCBs.
But why in the world would they charge you with that?
But when they come to really trying to put the squeeze on me, like, well, John, you know, you're going to be kicked out of your own company if you don't take this into Boeing and we can work on it and we get all the funding kind of stuff.
This is the second group of people I was involved with.
And I was invited by the German team because they were more scientific and famous over there.
And they were working on ZPE and found zero-point energy or quantum fluctuations.
And that's where you have, of course, the official thing is zero degrees Kelvin where no moving energy is supposed to be, but however, it does exist according to some tests.
So this famous Austrian scientist, actually, much like you, had these heavy grounds going into all around his villa.
And he had this room that had cork and rubber and then steel plating inside because he showed me with two round two-inch diameter balls about spaced, oh, I would say half an inch apart, and hooked right into a spectrum analyzer, he felt, and I trust him, that he was getting ether oscillations, as he called them.
I met some ham radio operators that said that they were doing an experiment along with the HARP project where the HARP people reverse the polarity of the ionosphere and they could communicate around the world.
Well, anything can happen, except in the later years I had it down to an area, a test area, actually, between two walls where I'd go out and Felmit and the other crew would have the lab running on its own without adjusting all the controls and voltages and that.
And then in the cases where they're, we'll get to the explosion part in a minute, but in the cases where they don't explode, do they then re-harden to become their original atomic material, even though misshapen?
Or do they return to the original shape when the process is stopped, or what?
Although the water was never tested, the other samples were heavily tested by the Ontario group, George Hathaway, well-known scientist, along with Colonel Alexander.
And all this stuff is documented, and then I got copies of it, and it's all actually going to be released by Hathaway in a book.
Although it's been released so far to date to many agencies around the world.
And I've got to open up these containers of metal samples and get George there to photograph them and get some of these documentations and that out too, which are around the world a little bit there to help.
You see, I've already been around long enough to see a lot of what I wrote about some number of years ago begin to come true.
You know, and people say, hey, you wrote about that.
Well, you know, someday, I think the world is going to look at the kind of thing that you're hearing about tonight and reflect on the fact that you did hear about it tonight.
That somebody had done this.
Someday when the oil runs out and we're having to turn to some other energy source and miraculously it appears just like something stealthy out of the night and it cures the world's energy problems, then you'll hear about people reflecting on the fact that programs like this did one time talk about this kind of thing on the air.
John says that he can tell us how to produce a dirt, cheap, he calls it shaken baked method of producing zero-point energy batteries.
Now, why don't you give that to us, John, in an instructive way?
If it's dirty and cheap, then the average person at home could try this themselves.
Couldn't they?
As long as it's not some sort of proprietary thing for you, could you sit here right now and tell us how to put one of these batteries together and how to measure the effect?
Simple formulation of common minerals like galena, which was Once used for radio receivers.
Ground up into a fine dust and mixed in with some salts.
There, you have yourself a little power supply.
I'm sort of holding back on one recipe just to, because I want to make some money someday on this.
But if an example is that it's called petroelectrical effects too, if you see and study T. Thompson Brown's work in this area, you'll find that that's very intriguing stuff.
Well, I had sponsorship from Japan where there's a unit sitting in Hiroshima City that's quite powerful, but the deal was I had to get $25 million and he was to get $25 million.
Different kinds of energy that was calculated, well, I had to rely on my friend in Germany there, that seems to pick up biological energy if it's negative or positive and moving objects outside, and also environmental, let's say, fluctuations in geomagnetics and also gravimetric fluctuations.
Well, it all depends on what friendly investor pops up on the scene.
That's the main problem.
I've met a number of investors already who've seen the thing.
And, well, they always ask the question, oh, can I power a house?
I'm thinking, oh, not one of these problems again, because to do that, you need to go really into heavy research and R ⁇ D to build something like that.
You need to go into vacuum depositing type factories where they make microchips to build something.
They did have a solicitation in their handbook in 1998 for an energy scavenging cell.
But I didn't fill out the forms.
I thought, you know, it gets kind of tough here where I maybe won't be able to do TV shows like for Fox and doing some of my other weird experiments in this apartment here, like the flying saucer thing that...
Yeah, a toy plastic flying saucer that I managed to make it bob up and down with high voltage attached to it.
Well, it's no wonder they're raiding your apartment.
What would you expect?
Listen, I'm going to ask you about something now that I know you didn't particularly want to be asked about, but I'm driven to because you teased me with it.
I sent him some other emails, other topics, but this kind of thing has to be highly respected, energy-wise, and also politically, too, because if it's going to be taken over to Mount Sinai or something like that.
i mean just bring that up as a slim possibility the ark of the covenant after all yeah so you recreated and you hit it on the head and dirty word what about the possibility of unleashing something that Like, we're talking about either Zarg or the monsters from the Id.
I think that's highly probable in PSI research, and that has seen a lot of documentation.
I have unclassified documents on PSI research done by Lieutenant Colonel Tom Bearden.
And I would respect this thing very highly in doing it.
But a lot of people advise me not to do it because of the political implications it might have.
I mean, if there's a solid basis to your research and your claims that you can do this, it's no minor matter, and it would be, it seems to me, it would produce investments and capital and money really quick.
And then I tend to also live quite a social life sometimes when I go off to LA or visiting people around the world, or I'm actually invited for lecture tours in Japan and Germany and the United Kingdom.
If you'd like to question John about anything at all, you're welcome to.
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You've got to take what you're hearing tonight, I think, in one of two ways from John.
Don Hutchison is my guest, the Hutchison effect, the subject.
And when you're talking about the levitation of material things, the liquefaction of metal, the possible, I don't know, bending of time-space, that kind of thing, you've either got to say, look, we're dealing with a total lunatic here who's lying his butt off to us, or maybe there really is something to this.
I certainly can't dismiss it totally.
I don't, because I've seen things.
I've experienced things myself.
I can't dismiss it totally, but I guess, you know, you could look at John as someone who's just plain not telling you the truth.
You'd have to wonder why.
and let it will talk about that aspect and take phone calls in a moment the the Looney, crazy, prevaricator, huckster.
I would imagine, John, that you understand that a lot of people, when they hear of these kinds of claims, particularly, you know, physicists, for example, PhDs, people in the sciences, people even in industry who might be interested in what you're doing, potentially interested, certainly, if your claims were true, they might be tempted to call you lots of those things and to call you crazy.
There's such fantastic claims.
You either have to react to it with enough interest to pursue it and try and figure out what's going on here that is so incredible, or just dismiss it and throw one of those words out.
Actually, I've never had a few negative comments from academics, but from all the scientists I met, they seem to be involved with the military-industrial complex throughout the United States, Germany, and that.
No negativity.
They seem to have quite an interest in it.
It's out there.
But I've had a few problems with academics that really got upset when they were interviewed on one of the TLC specials.
I remember when my sponsor there went out to the University of British Columbia and he started talking.
And then, oh, we don't touch how they raise.
The guy just sort of backed off real quick.
And then the same thing sort of happened in the Pentagon when, in the early days, when they took the film there, one general really got upset and said, You can't show that stuff in here.
And then the other general said, Well, what if it's true?
Are you ready to go see Reagan right away about it?
I've been following your work for about eight years, and I'm really excited.
Probably the one thing I want to make sure I can get to ask you while you're here is, are you doing any types of seminars or workshops across the United States that we could go and, you know, get some type of a one-on-one, well, not necessarily one-on-one, but be in a room with you and be able to...
Because I was thinking in your defense, I mean, a lot of the stuff that Nikolai Tesla did, and he's basically responsible for all of our lighting and electrical current to our homes and whatnot today.
He was working on a lot of the same types of items that you're working on.
Even though we've got so much from him, he was extremely ridiculed.
And so I just, one of the ways of ending that type of thing, and I was just wondering if it would be possible, is if you did any type of workshops or started some type of a network where if you could give engineers, you know, I'm not talking just anybody, but basically electrical engineers or anybody who you felt comfortable enough with,
kind of like a shopping list of how to reproduce the effect, even if it's just small types of effects, would you be open to doing anything like that?
And where could we get a hold of you?
I go to your zero point, your rumor millnews.com.
And I try and follow up there as well as whenever you have any shows on or whatnot.
In other words, why not go out and educate people of science to the degree that they can at least plow into an experiment that will cause their eyes to pop open?
A four-hour-long one done by a very professional, well-respected scientist in Toronto for a very well-respected individual who actually owns his own country.
If I were to order one of these tapes or have one of these tapes, by the time I was done watching these four hours, would I be convinced that everything you've been telling me tonight is the truth?
And what they were trying to do was create a wormhole and what John's describing and his his works were anomalies that were involved in such a project.
And the reason why they stopped the project so many times was because those anomalies were uncontrolled.
And the film crew people, which was Griffin Productions.
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Also, I was curious about John, is had anybody suffered or were there any ill effects to any persons within the proximity of the device for physical operations?
All of the human body?
Since the human body, your bloodstream, is comprised of iron.
You know, I did say earlier in the program, I think just before you got on, that it's my view that a lot of regular scientists wouldn't do the kind of experiments you're doing or even endeavor to do them because they're academically tied to a rule that says that can't be.
Therefore, I won't attempt it.
And so they will never attempt it as people like you who are not chained to these allegedly academic realities, and so you just plow ahead and do it anyway.
Yeah, because I like history, and I like to study history and mechanical engineering, and a lot of people did some very interesting things a long time ago.
You take 1927, there was a fellow by the name of T. Henry Morray who had, much like you, these long wire antennas, and he built up these using old vacuums, 211As, I believe, with the four pins.
Time morphage, because if you want to build a time machine, you get into a rocket that goes at light speed out there, but why not curve it where you don't have to go on a rocket ship?
You could be right here.
And I believe we had that kind of thing happen because we'd have metal samples or rock samples that would disappear and not reappear or reappear.
But they look like they aged, like they're all shriveled up.
We're talking about a material in this field actually, to our eyes, disappearing and then reappearing in the same place within the field, John, or a different place or what?
Well, um, I really don't know the answer to that, John.
It's about, perhaps it's about time travel.
It may simply be about the death of a crazy kid.
I don't know.
But yeah, I'll tell you this story because it's beginning to sound eerily, very much like what you're describing on the show tonight.
Items disappearing, appearing older, that kind of thing.
So I think we will dig into that briefly when we get back at the bottom of the hour.
My guest is John Hutchison, and I'm sure that in your mind, you're going to either classify him as a way-out nut that you just can't listen to, or could he be somebody who's unearthed something very old and still effective?
I don't know.
You make that call.
We'll be right back.
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And now, filling in for George, your special guest host, Art Bell.
George is probably off on an island somewhere sipping martinis with pretty island girls and palm fronds and.
It's probably not that, but that's what you want to imagine, right?
Anyway, he's recharging his batteries with some good zero-point something or another, and he'll be back Monday.
In the meantime, I'm Art Bell.
How you doing?
My guest is John Hutchison, and he's either, I suppose, from many points of view out there, a total raving lunatic, or he's a man onto something that could literally save civilization, pull it up by its bootstraps, and give it the energy it's going to need to survive.
I mean, if after doing this program, for example, you get calls from, I don't know, the BBC, independents up there, American television stations or networks that want to come and film Your Effect.
That's been around since dawn of time, actually, from the 20s.
It's got some actually neat video footage of it.
It's high voltage DC applied to a very light frame.
And I used to actually do that just for fun in my other labs.
There was a high voltage.
So I don't know if it has any merits because it's kind of like what you do in a like a VandiGraph generator experiment kind of thing or a high voltage ion driven thing, thingy.
T. Downsend Brown actually did a lot of research in that area himself.
Regarding the research that you're doing, Mr. Hutchinson, when Tesla was doing his research regarding where zero-point energy comes from or whatever, he stumbled onto something that I think they call it the magic wave.
I don't know.
It was like radiant energy emanating or resonating from the sun at a frequency that I can't really recall.
I was getting very, very good at that area because I was replacing some of the Tesla technology with vacuum tube technology where you hold a more stable frequency.
Well, it seems to be more media people are coming here and more people, especially with Nick's book that just was released too, Lockheed Martin has a technology kind of thing.
Things are rolling faster, I mean, in regards to interest around the world.
I guess it's because it's spread all over the world.
But done on a Manhattan-style project with proper scientists, well-renowned scientists that you and I both know, like Hal Pudoff and others we both know.
Well, he had the tapes back then, and yet it sounds as though you've still not seen them.
I'm proposing that there's a fundamental problem here for scientists of the category of John Hutchinson who come on this program.
They aren't able to find support.
And I think we need something like a coast-to-coast AM foundation which will see to it that there is more progress done when people like this come forward in coordinating the information, raising funds.
Although, you know, and this is an important question for me.
If everything John has told us is true and is so easily confirmed by videotape or even further experiments or, you know, whatever the hell it takes, it's so fantastic that it's hard to imagine a university would have not by now glommed onto it as an incredible project to take in and make their own with John given all the freedom to do whatever he needs and dollars and all the rest of it.
I mean, why hasn't that happened?
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Well, I mean, you're very busy art, and so it's understandable why you can't review the material of everybody that comes on the show.
Well, I'm certainly not against such an idea, nor would I be the organizer for it.
So the idea is out there now.
Somebody wants to glom onto it.
But, yeah, there ought to be a fund, it seems to me, for investigating and then funding people like yourself, John, who are doing things and just making claims that would change the world we live in, if it's true.
That should be enough to get somebody looking and coming to somebody like you and getting you funded so this can move forward despite what the giants out there think.
And so you know that they're using a device to keep people that radiates heat, is that, or microwaves, or what?
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Yeah, it's a device that sends out a low-frequency microwave that creates a heat wave on the surface of the skin and makes it very uncomfortable to be exposed to it.
Yeah, it seems to me if they were to deploy a field like that, the one Mr. Hutchinson is telling us about tonight, why you'd end up with people in the fence, quite literally.
I am indeed going to mention him, and he was a man who called this program who was much like yourself in a lot of ways, John.
He stole some transformers from the power company in order to construct this device that he eventually walked through, which he claimed at one point in a small-scale model, had made a bolt when he put it through the field, this high-voltage field, modulated with lasers and a bunch of other stuff.
Anyway, it made it disappear and reappear.
And that sounded just like what you were doing.
And then he actually, I know this all happened because I talked to his parole officer on the air, in fact.
And you see, they caught him stealing the transformers.
And he was then getting a warehouse, and he was going to construct this device, and he was going to walk through it.
And I believe that he did, and we haven't heard from him since.
And that's the Madman Markham story.
He thinks he might have walked through what he'd built.
He thought it might have been a time portal.
But you've got to imagine one or two things are true.
John, one, that he's a pile of dust on the floor right now when he tried to walk through, and all he did was electrocute himself and fry himself but good, or he now is at another time.
He's left this time frame and he's in another time.
Nobody really knows, but it's been years and we haven't heard from him.
And that was the last and that story as it was.
But he was dealing with a lot of things that sounded very much like what you're talking about, John.
Well, Art, I remember another story I think was brought up by George Norrie about some time traveler that went back in time in the cylinder, and he was crushed, and there would appear to be old photographs from the 30s or something like that.
Another one floated around about a guy who made zillions of dollars in the market, and the authorities at the Securities and Exchange Commission were investigating him, and he said he was a time trial.