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unidentified		I Desert and the great American Southwest Lapping you all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the time may be, wherever you are across this great globe of ours, covered entirely by this program and millions and millions of listeners.
		Thank you, George, for the opportunity to get back and receive premium radio networks, giving you a quick update on a few things that I know some of you out there follow.
		My package is not at its best right now.
		It's uh it's supporting me about half the way, huh?
		So I'm in and out of that always.
		Ramona, my beautiful wife.
		Our four furry troublemakers are all just fifty.
		And everything around the bell home is well indeed.
		It's gonna be a very interesting program tonight.
		Uh, Stan Deo is coming up in a few moments, and his wife Holly called me earlier tonight with a bit of a hair-raising statement about a conversation she'd had earlier in the day, and I guess Stan has had as well.
		He'll tell you all about it in a second.
		A couple of other items.
		My gigantic antenna design is a total success, unless you let's count the anomalous conditions present on it, and the 400 AC DC volts kind of a combination of AC and DC, and we're still looking at all of that.
		But in terms of a radiator, it is a gigantic success.
		Now, I did have one other giant project since I last talked to you.
		As you know, I have two 1,000-foot loops way up there in the air for my ham.
		Speaking of ham radio, I was on there a few minutes prior to broadcast down in Los Angeles.
		They were listening.
		And when I go on ham radio with a kilowatt, why it affects the audio that goes down to LA?
		So they were hearing.
		And they called me up twice.
		You know, what is that?
unidentified		Why is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
		No problem.
		Just a little anomalous RF getting into the system.
		Anyway, I was talking to some ham buddies before I got on here tonight.
		They said, gee, here you are talking to a few of us right now.
		In a few minutes, you're going to be talking to millions of people.
		I thought, you know, actually, there's not a hell of a lot of difference, to be honest with you.
		It's just a microphone.
		And you never think of the people on the other side.
		You just think it's a microphone, whether it's, you know, two or three people on the other side or lots of you out there.
		Anyway, my antenna design, back to that very quickly, 2,000-foot loops, seven feet apart.
		And after we last spoke, last time I was here, I installed a grounding system which consists of a four-foot-wide welded metal mesh, which I put immediately beneath the antenna, all the way around, one inch under the ground.
		And then I grounded it to my water well, which goes down 160 feet into Zuluter.
		I grounded it to my tower, all kinds of things.
		So that now runs under the antenna, and I'm building this monster.
		But boy, does it work.
		Incidentally, I am not dead.
		For those of you who have seen the website, it seems as though Nancy Leader's website ran a story, or more likely an email from somebody purporting to be an Associated Press story, which it was not totally bogus, which reported I had died on June 19th.
		Well, many members of the press and others called me.
		In fact, my local paper here in town ran the story, which I think is on the Coast to Coast AM website right now, that I died.
		Actually, they ran the story of having called me at home, and I guess they got Ramona, who sounded, they said, cheerful.
		This is a riot.
		And Ramona put me through to the reporter right away.
		He said, you didn't die, did you?
		I said, no, and if I do, I'll call you first.
		And so I'm not dead.
		How that item got up there, I haven't the slightest idea.
		But now that I'm here on commercial radio, please, Ms. Leader, take it off.
		I'm obviously not dead.
		And also, by the way, obviously, Planet X didn't wipe us all out either.
		So yo, to the rest of you alive out there.
		All right, news of the day, not much of it.
		What gay men and women do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business, not the govs.
		Supreme Court said Thursday in a historic civil rights ruling striking down bans on what some states have called deviant sexual acts.
		Strom Thurman dead at 100.
		Wow, I thought he was never going to die.
		It seemed like Strom had, I don't know, almost eternal youth.
		He certainly had energy, and I'm certainly sorry to see him go.
		Strom Thurman dead at 100 years of age.
		I just celebrated his 100th birthday.
		Authorities arrested one of the alleged al-Qaeda masterminds in last month's terrorist bombings in Riyadh in a major blow to Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization in the conservative desert kingdom of his birth.
		So they've got another one.
		Oh, by the way, Baghdad Bob.
		Remember Baghdad Bob?
		During the war, Iraq's former information minister who gained notoriety during the war for wildly implausible claims of victory, to put it mildly, went on Arab TV on Thursday, and get this, folks, stood by his statements, saying they came from, quote, many authentic sources, end quote.
		Mohammed Saeed al-Sharif has denied, did deny that U.S. tanks were in Baghdad, even as TV pictures showed them to be right there in the capital.
		In fact, in shouting distance.
		He would say, quote, There is no presence of American infidels in the city of Baghdad.
		Al-Shahaf asserted outside the Palestine Hotel on April 7th.
		Baghdad fell April 9th.
		In his first appearance since the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime, an interview with an Arab satellite television network, he did not directly back down at all from some of his false claims during the war.
		Asked where he got the information, he said from authentic sources, many authentic sources.
		And he said, and these also will be dealt with by history.
		I don't know what to tell you about that.
		He's still hanging in there.
		You know, I'm sure he's going to end up showing up on some talk show.
		He would be a riot to interview, an absolute riot.
		Speaks obviously pretty good English.
		And you just know Letterman's going to have to try to get him on somebody.
		The head of the Brazilian Space Agency said his country is poised to grab a third of the world's fast-growing market for commercial satellites, launching them, thanks to a proposed tripling of spending on their space program.
		They haven't had a lot of luck yet.
		Most of what they've set up has come down tragically, but now they are ready to begin launching satellites, they say, commercially.
		Cloud-to-earth lightning bolts, I got this from unknowncountry.com.
		That's Whitley's website.
	Cloud-to-earth lightning bolts are a well-known natural occurrence.
	Now, scientists have discovered and photographed for the very first time enormous 90-kilometer-high luminous electric discharges that deliver large quantities of current from thunderstorms to the edge of the Earth's atmosphere.
	These are not the regular sprites you've heard about.
	The flashes described in a letter published in the current issue of the journal Nature is believed to be a type of phenomena known by atmospheric physicists as, quote, transient luminous events, end quote.
	The other transient luminous event known as sprites and blue jets have been the subject of intense study since the first one was photographed accidentally about 14 years ago.
	Nothing quite so large has been observed before.
	These really are monstrous.
	And you can see photographs of them.
	They're incredible.
	And, you know, that's one thing about this antenna of mine and the anomalous nature of it with all of that voltage on it.
	There is a tremendous difference between the atmosphere and the earth in terms of potential.
	Just a tremendous difference.
	And when you're talking about the upper atmosphere and the earth, you get obviously a very large difference.
	And they're seeing discharges, I believe, of that sort of thing.
	A very, very interesting story developing from Channel 8 in Las Vegas.
	Apparently, an investigator's home, Area 51 investigator's home, has been raided by the FBI.
	Now, he had gone, this is up near Rachel, Nevada, not very far from where I am.
	And this man has been sort of, Chuck Clark is his name, has been demonstrating to the Channel 8 I-Team in Las Vegas where Area 51 has been, actually, they've been going outside of their own area and planting these detectors.
	And Chuck took the I-team out there and dug a few up, I guess, and showed them, you know, to them.
	And somebody somewhere didn't much like that.
	So they took a real good look at Chuck's home.
	And that's an ongoing story right now as well.
	All right.
	In a moment, Stan Deo, and he's got some pretty shocking stuff for you.
	right where you are.
unidentified		Skrips
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, mention of the war, Baghdad Bob, reminds me to say once again that prior to the war, a good deal prior to it, during it, and after it, I've said to you that I don't know why we fought it, and I still don't.
		I don't have the faintest idea.
		Our men and women did a certainly outrageously good job, although they've suffered a lot of recent casualties for a goal that I'm not clear about.
		Still no weapons of mass destruction.
		Now, maybe they're there.
		They may be there, but none of us have seen any yet.
		Earlier today, the man who investigated the mobile labs that they've been looking at said, yes, he was under a lot of pressure to declare them as tools of mass destruction, but says that certainly did not affect his final report.
		Nevertheless, the big ones, they haven't been found yet.
		All right.
		Standale.
		Actually, Stan and Holly, because Holly is the first one who called today.
		Stan, though, has been a frequent guest on this program since 95 or so as a beautiful wife and webmaster.
		Holly, five children, eight grandchildren, and was born in Clifton, Texas, near Valley Mills, about seven miles from the President's Ranch at Crawford.
		Holds both American and Australian citizenships, has lived in Australia for 30 years.
		Matter of fact, I interviewed him from Australia most times.
		But Stan and Holly returned home to Colorado last year, where he was once a cadet at the USAF Academy in Colorado.
		Has held secret and above-top secret security clearances.
		In 71, was recruited by Dr. Edward Teller's group to work on an ultra-secret aerospace propulsion project to develop anti-gravity.
		Reed flying saucers here for a multinational organization who then sent him to their operation in Australia.
		In 84, while he was still in Australia, Stan did a joint lecture tour with John Schusler, currently director of MUFON, in an attempt to reveal what they knew about alien presence here on Earth.
		They were prevented from revealing quite a bit.
		Isn't that interesting by the people John worked for at the time?
		You see, at that time, John, who is currently retired from the space program, was the project director at McDonnell Douglas for space shuttle flight operations at the NASA Center in Houston.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is the author of two books, The Cosmic Conspiracy and the Vindicator Scrolls, which are now sold in over 22 countries.
		Stan's Cosmic Conspiracy book has been translated into French, German, Greek, and has sold over 200,000 copies here.
		From Colorado, is Stan Deo.
		Stan, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Wow, it's the first time I can say that I've talked to a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A ghost, yes.
		Here I am.
		The reports of my death and all that baloney.
unidentified		Well, I had the same thing happen to us down in Australia.
		We got a call one day from the New Zealand police, which is, of course, across the pond from us a bit.
		And they called and wanted to talk to me.
		And I said, well, okay, this is me.
		And he says, well, can you prove that you're alive?
		And I said, well, I give you my driver's license number here in Australia or something.
		And somebody had gotten the same kind of thing on the email.
		And so they called their local police to check up and see if it was true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is about like the third or fourth time around for me, Stan.
		So I'm almost used to it.
		If you can get used to your death being reported, I'm almost used to it.
		Let's get to what's happening, Stan.
		Holly called me and kind of freaked me out earlier today.
unidentified		Yeah, it was quite a shock to us, too, because we're not in a big city here.
		We're about 15 miles out of Pueblo, which only has 100,000 people in it.
		And Holly's been working to finish the new book here that we hope will be out on CD and printed copy in a couple of months.
		But anyway, she needs to research something at the bookstore downtown.
		So we went driving down there.
		And the bookstore has one of the bigger chains.
		And it had a section in meteorology, which is what she was looking for, was a wind map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She told me she was looking for wind maps, yes.
		And strangely, wind maps don't exist anymore.
		And they've all been pulled from libraries and other.
		Is that really true?
unidentified		Well, I haven't been able to check all the libraries, but this is what this strange individual told us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That the wind maps are gone.
		And now, I told Holly at the time, when we talked earlier today, that I thought probably it had to do with the current terrorism threat.
		And obviously, if somebody had a book on wind patterns, they'd be able to determine what was a good point to release biological chemical agents and get the most bang for the buck.
		And I assumed that's why they might have been pulled.
unidentified		I think so.
		I know that during Gulf War I down in Australia, I've just been getting information for the second book I wrote, The Vindicator Scrolls, and I was at the library there at the university.
		And there were no maps, say, of the Persian Gulf region, like better than 1 to 100,000 or something.
		And I managed to get one of the librarians there who kept a private stash of maps in the back to give me a copy that I could photocopy in color that was at the right resolution of that area down to the wells.
		And I asked him why he did that.
		And he said, because two men in suits had come out from America collecting all the maps that were of a certain resolution or below before people could access them on the Middle East.
		And so I guess the guy didn't have any reason to lie to me about it.
		And so I assume the same thing is probably happening here because of the reason you stated.
		But Holly was anyway, she was going into look for this wind maps in the library thinking maybe there was an old book published or something.
		And we contacted a few people on the internet that we know in professional places in the government.
		And those maps are not available.
		They just don't make them anymore.
		Strangely enough, they wouldn't admit to anything other than that.
		So Holly went up to the desk in this bookstore to get one of the chaps there to help us.
		And he came back over, and she started asking about, look, I need a book here that has something to do with wind roses, you know.
		And he said, he didn't blink an eye.
		And she said, oh, look, you probably don't know what a wind rose is.
		It's one of those little dots over a city that has arrows going out to show the prevailing winds at certain times of day.
		He says, oh, I know what you're talking about.
		I know.
		He says, no, he's not going to find much here at all because all the books, you know, the maps and stuff of that caliber have been taken off the shelves and recalled across the country.
		And then walked off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then terrorism is but one possible example.
		I'll go out on a limb and speculate on another.
		The weather's going totally berserk, Stan.
		I mean, totally berserk.
		We have had the most violent season of weather in this spring that we've had in all of recorded human history.
		I mean, they're having melon-size hail in Nebraska.
		They're having 60 tornadoes out of one or two storms.
		It's just unbelievable what's going on in the Midwest.
unidentified		It is, and I think you've probably noticed that the sunspot activity, well, the solar emission activity, the sea emission activity.
unidentified		Oh, like 10 to 20 times greater than normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it affects short waves.
		So I watch it on a daily basis, and we have been in storm for just an unrelenting period of time.
		I mean, the sun is just really going berserk.
unidentified		Yes.
		And the planet's been heating up.
		I think we're at 0.2 or 2 tenths of a degree average Celsius across the planet, hot as we were about 30 or 40 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So one could perhaps guess or just speculate that there is a massive change underway, and perhaps somebody doesn't want somebody studying that with the aid of wind maps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a thought, that's all.
unidentified		No, you're right.
		When we get into what this guy told us, you'll hear a lot of that.
		You know, he turned out to be a rather interesting individual.
		He'd retired from Army intelligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll get to all that in a moment after the break.
		You know, this message that you sent me from the director of FEMA, that's right, isn't it?
		Pete FEMA's director, was asked a question about what do you see as the biggest challenge facing FEMA in 2000 beyond, and he laid it out the weather, severe storms, droughts, all over the next 10 years, extreme weather.
		And he wonders If FEMA can keep up with it and hopes that if they just keep doing what they're doing and do it better, that they're going to be able to keep up with it.
		But I mean, inherent in his answer was a gigantic warning if you read it.
unidentified		Yep.
		Oh, most certainly.
		I'll tell you, that book that you guys put together, The Global Superstorm, is probably going to become fact very shortly at this rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would put it a little differently.
		I'd say that it's actually well underway right now, Stan.
		It's well underway.
unidentified		You're certainly laying the groundwork for it.
unidentified		No question about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's well underway.
		I mean, permanent, at least from a human.
		Nothing's permanent.
		But I mean, as far as humans are concerned, you know, we come and go in a blink of an eye.
		Mortality is what it is.
		And we're here for a relatively short period of time.
		And so really, from our point of view, it's a permanent change.
unidentified		Yes, even the Hopi have been warning about the sun causing great damage here in CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're obviously up to a breakpoint here, so hold on, Stan.
		We'll be right back.
		And what this man in the bookstore had to say beyond the wind chart thing is extremely worrisome.
		It's one of those scary kind of things.
		So get ready.
		That's what's coming next.
		Stan, Stan Dale, is my guest.
		A little later, Major Ed Daines from the High Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Sweet dreams are made of things.
		Who am I to disagree?
		I travel the world and the seven seas.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to...
		...and I'm a part of the world.
		Be inside of the sand, the smell of the touch.
		There's something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak root deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To light a meadow and hear the grass sing And all these things in our memory's heart And they used them to help us to find Yeah Right, right as you saw Take this
		place, all this trip, just for me From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie, filling in for George.
		Tonight's special guest host is Art Bell.
		To talk with Art, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		East of the Rockies, call 800-825-5033.
		And west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach Art by calling the AT ⁇ T International Operator and dialing toll-free, 800-893-0903.
		Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's nice to be special.
unidentified		Hey, how's everybody doing tonight, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually a great night.
		It's going to be an interesting night.
		Sandal with a lot to say following Stan tonight in the next hour, Major Ed Dames.
		Affectionately noon is Dr. Doom with a whole lot for you.
		That's kind of the shape of the night.
		But what's immediately ahead with Stan is some pretty wild stuff.
		Just wait till you hear what he was told.
		Coming up next.
unidentified		Coming up next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Stan.
		Let's rock.
		You're talking with this fellow in a bookstore, and no more wind maps, but then he begins to spill the beans on a number of things.
		Now, maybe we should know beyond being in the store, you know, I mean, who is this guy?
		What's his background?
		Why should we believe a word he says?
unidentified		Well, we asked the same questions after we got out of the place.
		It was surely a random meeting.
		There was no question about it being anything other than that.
		But he was well-spoken, nicely dressed, older man, and there was even a little pin on his lapel that was off of the kitty hawk.
		That's not Army, that's Navy, obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holly said he claimed a secret background of some sort.
unidentified		Well, yeah, a number of the things that he told me and told us, I knew myself, were not widely known.
unidentified		And so I suppose I have to say it's possible because what he says fits in with what a lot of people have been on your program talking about the future for the United States have been saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that said, then, what did he say?
unidentified		Well, Holly asked him, you know, well, how do you know about the Windroses and stuff?
		And he says, oh, we saw them in our research and information gathering.
		And she says, we, who's that?
		And he said, he got a little bit kind of lower voice.
		And he said, I used to work in Army intelligence.
		In fact, I was working for Sterman Norman in Gulf War I. So I thought, oh, yeah.
		Anyway, he says, we were running scenarios of war games here on American soil for future conflicts here on our soil.
		And something that we saw, and I won't explain any further than that, he said, told us that we needed to withdraw all the wind maps for the major cities of the United States.
		And we said, oh, you mean like for biological warfare stuff and hooks?
		And he said, no, for another reason.
		And we couldn't get that out of him.
		And he said, we studied things like tsunamis and coastal subsidence, sudden subsidence due to earthquake activity.
		And he said, you'll notice that we have signs put up all along the west coast saying this is a tsunami flood area.
		Caution.
		And so when we give the warning, the people won't go into those areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I haven't seen those.
		On the other hand, I don't spend a lot of time at the coast.
		But a lot of our listeners say along the California, Oregon, Washington coast, you're saying they should be on the lookout, that they would see some signs.
		What do they look like?
		Do you know?
unidentified		Just a second.
		Did they tell us what those signs look like, Holly?
		You know those signs along California?
		Yeah, those are the background.
		What did she say?
		Small, probably six to seven inches wide, about three or four inches tall.
		They're not big signs, if you get my drift.
		But he said, look, we ran a scenario on the death toll and damage to the United States should the tsunami activity become as great as we think it will.
		Our best scenario showed only 100,000 people died in California.
		That was the best, he said.
		And the worst was that, well, we would lose 75% or so of the population on the west coast.
		And he said instead of Sacramento, we're going to call it Lake Sacramento because only 16 inches of rubble separating it from the sea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's talking about an earthquake.
unidentified		He certainly is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a tsunami to follow.
unidentified		And volcanoes.
unidentified		He ran the whole gamut of stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The beginning of violent earth changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he was talking about.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they give any time frame?
unidentified		That's funny.
		Holly asked him, she's subtle.
		She says, well, okay, when's it going to happen?
		When's it going to start?
		So then he changed the subject.
		He went to telling us some other stuff.
		And she waited a couple of minutes and she came back and said, yeah, I don't know, but she didn't answer the question.
		I said, when?
		And this went on.
		And for the third time, finally, he said, actually, from right now until the year 2020, we're at threat from all these things.
		It could happen tomorrow or sometime between now and then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holly'd make a good talk show host, so if we'd have to keep battering away.
unidentified		She does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So from right now, beginning right now, through 2020?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		17 years or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next 17 years.
unidentified		And this guy, look, he was a bright fellow.
		He's apparently at university.
		He and his young compadres were put into a think tank.
		And what they came up with for the future of the United States involved we'd be in a major Middle East war by the end of the century.
		Of course, we're there now, or have been anyway, and it's not over yet.
		And then they predicted other things for the United States, including a breakout of anarchy due to a number of factors that are primarily driven by geological factors.
		And I said, well, you're talking like a survivalist.
		He said, well, we're prepared at our house.
		We've got the food and water and everything else put away for six months, no less than six months.
		He said, FEMA's saying two or three days, forget it.
		They're just trying to soft-peddle it.
		You need at least six months because FEMA's not going to be able to get to you for under six months when this stuff hits.
		There won't be government help, so you're going to have to help yourself.
		I said, oh, well, store a little extra for your neighbors so they have something to eat, too.
		And he said, no, I'm storing extra bullets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, look, here where I live, you know, I'm kind of out in the country.
		And your first line of protection is yourself.
		And so if you don't have guns, if you don't have your own protection, then the only person you're kidding is yourself.
		Because, you know, police are 20 minutes away.
		You know, they're far enough away so that if something really happened, they arrive in time to draw your outline in chalk on the floor.
		Otherwise, you protect yourself.
		So I'm a big believer in that.
		A lot of people stocked up for Y2K.
		They should keep those things usable and handy because any number of things could happen.
		But this sounds pretty serious.
		He really, he hit you with enough information that you know from other sources that you give him pretty high credibility.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		I don't know whether we'll get to talk to him again or not.
		We kind of left the door open for him to come back.
		But look, we got into things, just extraordinary things.
		There's not enough time to talk about today, but things like they know about the ancient alien presence on the planet and the current alien presences, the different races.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		He was telling me about the Stargate that wasn't really to other stars, but to parallel dimensions that they had back in the old days, you know, in the Sumerian gods days, that kind of stuff.
		I mean, things that, you know, you and I, Linda Molten, how a few of them, we know about this kind of stuff.
		And he was rolling off things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know about it theoretically.
		I could not direct you to the nearest Stargate.
		Well, we know about it theoretically.
unidentified		I've seen a stone carving of what we think is the Stargate.
		It was around 640 B.C., 600 B.C., something like that.
		I'd have to look at my notes, but it was on a stone carving made in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, and it showed the Tower of Babel.
		And there's enough left on the stone.
		We enhanced the photos to look at it.
		You can see a circular glowing ring on top of it, and then a smaller ring or globe in the center of it, and had long steps where the gods walked out of the ring and down to the ground.
		And that was the Tower of Babel.
		Now, that was the oldest contemporary drawing or illustration of the tower we could find.
		But, you know, I looked at that a long time, and I understand from my own research, the kind of equipment that we would probably have to build would be toroidal coils and pulse them with a lot of energy and build up a field that we could walk through to the parallel, like the parallel universe, which is like shells of energy around the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you really think something of that sort could be used to construct a virtual stargate?
unidentified		Well, as I say, not to other star systems, but right here in our local area, but to a higher energy density, like I think the esoteric call it planes of existence, but it's what Einstein called it was concentric shells of existence.
		Share the same space, but at different frequencies.
		So our matter passes between each other.
		The breathing and exhaling of it, you know, inhaling, exhaling of the planet, if you wish that growing and condensing.
		And that's fairly hard to explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any conceptual idea in your mind of what one might step through to on the other side if one really could pass through one of these gates?
unidentified		Yeah.
		From the other old records that we have been able to help translate, we're seeing that, in fact, you can see it in a lot of the old Hebrew writings, that whenever a godlike being or angels or whatever came through, they came through on high places usually, and there was fire and boiling clouds around them.
		Like, the density of the energy on their molecules, where they come from, is so much greater than ours.
		just their very atoms of their body and the air around them burn our air when they come in until they either normalize to our energy density or because there's a shield around them or something.
		Remember when Moses was talking to God?
		Well, I think we might walk into an oven.
		I wouldn't want to walk in just like that.
		I mean, I probably wouldn't do like they do in the TV series and send a probe through first and see if I can get anything back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		And if you go down a layer, an energy level underneath us, it might be where the ghosts and other spirits have said to come from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to ask you if you think this is the equivalent of what we loosely call heaven and hell.
unidentified		Yeah, except I'd say there's probably at least seven layers of existences, and we're probably on number six with seven beneath us and five above us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think we're that close to heaven, do you?
unidentified		There's five above us.
unidentified		That's a long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, five above us.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		I thought there was just one above us.
		No, no, no, no.
		Just don't feel that close, you know?
unidentified		Look, it's exciting stuff.
unidentified		And this guy was telling us things about the South Pole and the aerial or satellite photography they have over the South Pole, where they have large circular ring structures that are now showing as the pole cap is melting and some of the advanced technology they found in digging in the ice there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it is melting.
		I saw a military report that indicated there's going to be a new ocean up there, and they need to learn how to navigate.
		A lot of strange things are going on.
		There was another story about the caps on Mars melting.
		That one got me because I thought, you know, gee, if they're melting over there on Mars, then what about us, third rock from the sun, right?
unidentified		Well, not only are the caps melting, but the sea is rising.
		And the reports show that we'll either get 20 feet or maybe 120 to 200 feet, depending on which expert you read.
		But our sea level is going to rise, and just a foot or two is going to make damage all along the coastal areas.
		And there are maps on the internet from the USGS and a few other folks showing which coastlines are at danger from subsidence or from the tsunamis from the ocean rising up and being very stormy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other worrisome thing for me has always been that those who claim to see, whether it's by remote viewing or it's by psychic sense like Gordon Michael Scallion or people of that caliber, while they differ to some degree in what they say, they really kind of agree on more or less what you're saying right now as being our rather immediate future.
unidentified		Yes, even the Hopi that when Holly and I went down there, they told us some of the things they don't tell the outside world because of something strange that happened there between us.
		But anyway, they took us to the edge of a cliff on Second Mesa and said, look down and see First Mesa and Third Mesa where the other parts of the Hopi Nation live.
		It was up several thousand feet down.
		And I looked down there and I said, yeah, desert, yeah, right.
		And he said, soon we will go between these mesas by canoe.
		Now that's in northwest, northeast, I guess, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I too actually had the honor to do a program with Hopi Elders.
		I think you may recall that, one in which there had to be translation going on during about the whole program.
		And they echoed just many of the same things, Stan.
		And I asked them, I said, well, why are you coming on the Army?
		This is not normally something you discuss with any kind of press at all, much less come on a live radio program.
		And their answer was, because there's not enough time.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'd believe that.
		I really would believe that.
		The Hopi elders told us down there that my visit there, one of the chief's son's wife, had seen my face several weeks before we got there.
		And we weren't invited until we actually got into Arizona.
		We didn't even know where we were going.
		And they said that I was the fifth of eight messengers that they would get before the fifth world would begin, the fourth world would die, before Phoenix becomes a seaport, obviously.
		The thing that they were trying to impress upon us was that the next three messengers were going to come quickly because all the other signs that they were looking for with the power lines that were like spider webs going across the Hopi Nation and various other things were happening.
		And the good part about it, if there is such a thing, is they said there's going to be tremendous civil war in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a good part?
unidentified		Well, after civil war, the survivors are going to come and meet with the Hopi and with the Navajo.
		And they will form a new tribe.
		There will be a lot of friction as they form and get direction, but they will then move up just beyond the Four Corners, probably up here in Colorado where we are, is what it indicated.
		And we found a valley over here, a sacred valley called Beulah Valley.
		And the old Indian Trail goes all the way down to Four Corners.
		There's arrowheads and stuff laying up there to this day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Four Corners going to be part of the ocean or still Four Corners?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be close.
unidentified		Well, you'd think so.
		You'd think so.
		This guy and the Hope is a none of them had anything really enjoyable as far as the United States staying intact.
		But there will be survivors and there will be a new nation and it will center somewhere here in Colorado, apparently, where they rebuild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even Stan, the New Age types that I've interviewed over the years, they talk about the wonderful, joyous, hand-in-hand, peaceful future that humanity will have.
		And they dwell on that, of course.
		But if you pin them down and you say, but yes, but what happens before that?
		They say, well, you know, yes, many will die.
		Well, how many are you talking about?
		Well, millions and millions.
		Yeah, Hundreds of millions even, or even most of the present population will expire before this period comes.
		So I don't know.
		I just too many people saying the same sort of thing to ignore it.
unidentified		Well, I agree.
		As I say, this guy coming up to us in a store just cold like that and then starting to unfold all the stuff before us, you just kind of think, this can't happen.
		This is a sleepy little town here in southern Colorado.
		You don't meet guys like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, assuming that all of this is correct, and just for the sake of conversation, that our government became aware of this coming catastrophic worldwide event, what do you think a government, the most powerful government on the face of the globe, ours, the U.S. government, would do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they issue warnings, Stan?
unidentified		I think they will at a certain point.
		They've already, apparently, a lot of the things that we think are prison camps, they say are going to be survival camps, that they're going to have the fences up to protect the people from other looters or whatever coming.
		But they say that the government, they maintain that the government will stay here and not go to Europe.
		And that enough of government is left to govern like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard a lot of reports, Dan, of what some people call concentration camps and reports that pilots have seen them from the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And frankly, I thought it was a bunch of ultra-right-wing claptraps.
unidentified		Me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, there must be something out there.
		Where there's smoke, there's a little bit of fire.
		So, yes, there might be something out there that we're not generally aware of.
unidentified		Well, I tend to believe that these centers are being set up to help folks.
		I mean, look, when this kind of a catastrophe hits, we're going to have wild animals roaming in bands to eat and wild dog packs and bears.
		And, I mean, we've already got them coming down from the hills here because of the weather as it is now.
		So I'm not convinced that our government's trying to do it nasty on us.
		I just can't see the value in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the other hand, though, their rationale might be, if something like this was going to happen, again, just for the sake of conversation, there would be no point in, in essence, warning people because the amount of panic and then death that would result as, you know, because of that panic simply wouldn't be worth it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It simply wouldn't be worth it because essentially, where are you going to run?
unidentified		I know to these camps I guess but they weren't planning on a lot of survivors what he said and if that asteroid well there's What asteroid?
		Oh, yeah.
		Well, from a number of other people who are having dreams and visions, from the processor, we get quite a visit.
		And I asked him about what we had heard, and he would neither confirm nor deny.
		And I said, well, would they officially tell us?
		And he says, well, I'm not sure.
		And apparently, from all the data that's been collected, it's going to hit in the North Atlantic and make a tsunami all the way up into the Appalachians, about 1,200 feet altitude above sea level, and wipe the whole East Coast.
		If you look at the USGS maps, the zones they've marked are right where they talked about this splash occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, brother.
		Listen, we're out of time.
		I really appreciate your coming on and telling everybody about this, including me tonight.
unidentified		Hey, no problem.
unidentified		Tell Ed I said hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you stay in touch with this program.
		If you get more on this, we want it right away.
		Me or whoever's here, all right?
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good night.
unidentified		You too.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan Dale.
		Coming up in a moment, the glasses get a little rosier.
		Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Easily the most loved and hated guest that I've ever had on the air, Major Ed Dames.
		Major Ed Dames, a retired military officer, was a remote viewing instructor for the U.S. Armed Services.
		I've seen his entire military record, and I can tell you right now, he did exactly what he said he did for exactly who he said he did it for.
		He instructed in our government's now-admitted remote viewing program.
		That's what he did.
		Our government spent $20 million on remote viewing over many, many years, actually decades, I guess.
		And though in the end they denied that it was effective, they sure spent a lot of money and an awful lot of time Investigating something they eventually concluded was not effective.
		There were, however, endless examples of why it was indeed effective and the end of it was mostly political.
		So, coming up in a moment, if you'll stay right where you are, we call him affectionately Dr. Doom.
		He acquired that earlier in his career, not certainly from me, Major Ed Dean.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Loved and hated.
		That's the mark of an effective person.
		Actually, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major U.S. Army retired, is a decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S. Army Prototype Remote Viewing Training Program.
		He served as the training and operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit.
		Currently serves as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group.
		Ed is a technical consultant for the feature film Suspect Zero.
		I don't know if you knew that.
		A Tom Cruise-Paula Wagner production.
		And he plays the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie as well.
		Shouldn't be a hard role for him, really.
		Ed, welcome back to the program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is so nice to hear you grace the airways with your sonorant, if not a little of his voice again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you.
		All right, Ed.
		Lots of biz, but before we get underway, for those who might be tuning in cold tonight, without going into a giant description of what it is, there will be a few who don't know.
		So what is remote viewing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Remote viewing is mind control.
		You control your own mind.
		I teach you how to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting way to put it, mind you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Systematic ESP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, your own mind, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Purpose being.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The purpose being is to collect information.
		What we teach is an information collection skill.
		We turn the innate, intuitive, psychic ability that you're born with into a skill.
		To collect information accurately, because out of sight does not equal out of mind.
		You can turn your mind to anything.
		Your brain is not the same as your mind.
		Your brain allows you to be conscious and aware, but it's securely connected, in most cases, to your body.
		And mind is everywhere, connected to everything at the dimensional level where things exist as ideas and patterns of information.
		So the brain is an oscillator.
		It can tune in any mind signal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a global, in fact, cosmic consciousness, consciousness that is connected entirely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a way to put it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather use, yes, but I'd rather use the word mind in place of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		well i guess it it it's semantics anyway uh...
		but in other words uh...
		a bit of consciousness that is uh...
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it is not a power.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it's just think of it as a field, a mind field.
		It's just a field like electromagnetic field.
		It's out there.
		You can avail yourself of it if you want.
		Sort of like a science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you really sure about that, Ed?
		In other words, I understand that.
		Well, okay, that was a fast no.
		I understand that you use this field, O dreams, we'll call it, to collect information, or as a conduit to collect information, or as a library to draw it from, or whatever.
		But really, you haven't explored the nature of it beyond that fairly specific purpose, have you?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it gives me a headache to think about it.
		I'm a technician.
		I'm not a theoretician.
		We'll leave that to the academicians too.
		But we have to have working hypotheses down here where the rubber meets the road.
		I've been teaching and doing this for 20 years.
		You can't teach it without having a working hypothesis and a model.
		And the model works very, very well.
		Very well indeed.
		Lately we used the term knowledge mining.
		We see that a lot.
		And remote viewing, in many ways, is the opposite of data mining, the Internet.
		Remote viewing gives you access to direct knowledge, new patterns of information, new knowledge, where data mining seeks to scream through tons of data looking for new knowledge, new patterns.
		So we do it the opposite way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to read you something, Ed, so that we can get it out of the way and hit you with it right here at the very beginning.
		All right?
		Here it comes.
		It's an email, and it will echo what many said and requested that I ask Ed, and so let's do it.
		It says, hi, Art.
		I see that you are having Major Ed Daines on tonight.
		Last time he was on with George, he said, in quotes here, when we start the war against Iraq, North Korea will go into South Korea, and it will be a trick.
		They want the U.S. to push them back, whereas they will set off a nuke that is already in place in an underground tunnel.
		As you see, as yet, this has not happened.
		Would you please ask Ed about this?
		It sort of made me angry when he says this, and nothing happened.
		What does he have to say about this, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That was my opinion as a strategist, not as a remote viewer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you make that clear in the interview?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
		And not clear enough.
		If you would go back and listen to the interview, you could see that that's me talking as a strategist.
		This is what I would do with those, and apparently this is on the board for North Korea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you've said that for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North Korea would be the first, I believe, to use a nuke in anger.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That stands.
		And they're going to use one.
		They are going to use one of those nukes.
		They have two.
		They have two mounted on warheads, which is additional information.
		And as of four months ago, I did not think that they were mounted, but they are actually on missiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, so then to reiterate what you said, you're now saying, you said as your opinion, not as something you had remote viewed.
		And I would have to go back and review the program because I did not hear it.
		And so apparently this was just your opinion of what might occur with the onset of the war, I guess?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what I would do as a tactically if I were a North Korean commander.
		Yeah.
		They're going to use a nuclear weapon, and that I stand by.
		They'll be the first on the block to use one.
		That would be a very sad, unfortunate thing.
		They're not going to stop this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you were in the military, maybe you'd like to take a crack at this.
		Should North Korea use a nuclear weapon, whether against the South Koreans predominantly or certainly and the U.S. as well, because we're right there, 50,000 or so in South Korea, U.S. service people, a number of them would be killed.
		What do you believe the U.S. response to a nuclear explosion in South Korea would be?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would mean the end, of course, of North Korea as a government.
		We wouldn't respond with a massive retaliation on the people.
		We would hit everything that even looked like it had steel barrels, cylindrical, or anything that looked like it had wings, of course.
		So that would be the end of their government.
		But we would not be able to retaliate using nuclear weapons on that peninsula.
		Only a couple of nuclear weapons would be militarily decisive, obviously.
		Look how close it is to China, though.
		China wins any way you look at it.
		We cannot launch things in the direction of China for two reasons.
		One is obvious.
		They are a nuclear power as well.
		Number two is they're our factory.
		We're not going to want to bomb our factory.
		Everything you see around you says made in China on it.
		Boeing Corporation is now teaching the Chinese how to make Boeing aircraft.
		That's great financially in the short run, but suicide in the long run.
		So there's a couple of reasons why we can't, the war would have to stop very, very quickly.
		It would be a blitzkrieg on our part, and I have reason to believe that we're going to preempt.
		So we might be able to get one of those weapons, but they're going to be able to pop another one on the peninsula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you have remote-viewed the fact that North Korea is going to use a nuclear weapon.
		Can you tell us anything about what you actually remote-viewed with regard to that?
		How do you come upon the determination that these people are going to explode a nuke?
		What do you see that leads you to that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If you think of an internet database search, we go in, the search terms that we use in our business are interpreted literally.
		We teach this in our workshops.
		In fact, I'll be in Las Vegas.
		If you'd like to see how this works, I'm teaching an intermediate workshop right up the street from you this weekend.
		You can come in and the students can strut their stuff where you can see how we actually set problems up and solve them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we're talking about the possibility of error, if I, for example, go to a search engine, I'll pick out Google, and I put in North Korea nuclear, space nuclear, I'll get a lot of hits.
		And maybe I will get a hit that if I didn't know any better and I thought it was absolute information, I'd say, oh my God, they're about to blow up a nuke.
		But if I, depending on how I put it into the search engine ed, you know, poo-poo in, poo-poo out, right?
		And you don't always get what you're looking for when you go and you enter a phrase in a search engine.
		I assume remote viewing has the same potential difficulty.
		There's a lot of information out there in this cosmic consciousness floating out there.
		And who's to say that you put in the right thing and that you're getting the right response?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know it empirically.
		It is technical.
		You have to be very careful.
		That's why we teach students to be very careful.
		But the idea of the next nuclear weapon used in anger, that was six years ago.
		And every time, last six years, and every iteration of that particular search term, that idea set up technically the right way, it points to the Korean Peninsula.
		A ground war, and then a ground war starting, and then a mushroom cloud in the back, and it's not a fuel air explosive.
		It's actually a nuclear weapon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, would our response to it include doing what we're doing in Iraq, for example, where we're now saying, yes, we're nation-building.
		We're nation-building, and we're going to be there for years and years.
		Surprise, surprise.
		I mean, what do you do with North Korea?
		It's a crazy regime.
		There's no question about it.
		I mean, they're nuts.
		So, yes, you can take them out, but then you've got a whole country full of virtual soldiers.
		I mean, they've been preparing for nothing but military action for as long as I can recall since the end of the Korean conflict.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you're looking at an entirely different war.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The only way that I can see the war ending and any future at all, dismal at best, would be for the Chinese to mediate and subcontract the post-war cleanup to China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't that give China a completely new place on the world scene if we allow them to do that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not only will we allow them to do that, but while we're fighting over there, they will probably occupy Taiwan after a short blitzkrieg.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		China wins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you believe that ultimately China will get Taiwan back, one way or the other, whether it's struck through some sort of political deal or they take it militarily, you believe they'll get it back.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's my belief, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have not remote-viewed anything like that, but my belief is yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I guess we should be very clear about your belief versus what you have remote-viewed.
		I want to be very careful about that tonight.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In the future, I shall be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question, though, about the use of a nuke.
		Any sense, Ed, of how close it's getting?
		And I know pinning things down time-wise is the hardest thing a remote viewer has to do, but it's the first question that everybody asks.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have any sense for that, although we could develop it, and I'll tell you how in a moment.
		However, my hunch, my opinion is that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not going to give up their designs on having nuclear weapons.
		And it's a pipe dream to think that they're going to abandon nuclear procurement and stop nuclear blackmail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you just said it.
		A lot of Americans, Ed, and a lot of people worldwide, think that the North Koreans are not stupid enough to actually set off a nuke, but they're developing them and threatening to develop them in order to extort or blackmail assistance money and other monies and technological help from the U.S. You know, saying, well, either you help or we're making nukes.
		Look at this.
		Look out.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We will, just like the we'll have a number of countries back us up on a preempted strike.
		And that's how that war will start.
		We'll do the best that we can to ameliorate the 37,000 artillery pieces, the use of them on the border as fast as possible.
		But it's going to be a war of a different kind, obviously.
		Anyway, we'll preempt.
		We maybe will get one of the weapons, one of the devices, but we won't get the second one.
		That's the one that they'll use.
		That's one half of the family jewels.
unidentified		What we could do in terms of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's our future like?
		I mean, here we are, as I said, nation-building in Iraq, and then perhaps having China nation-build in North Korea.
		Is that our future?
		Are we becoming the world's police force?
		Because we're getting spread a little thin here already, Ed, to be honest with you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as the Chinese well know, they're just biding their time.
		We're thin.
		I'm not a policymaker.
		I was just like you.
		I was a soldier.
		My job was to watch, strategize, follow, and develop the tasks that our leaders develop the tasks to implement operations that were based upon our leaders' goals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then let's come back to what you do do.
		You said that you are developing a method for pinning down timelines in remote viewing.
		And, you know, I'll give you a lot of points.
		I mean, a lot of people out there don't, but I will give you a lot of points.
		You forecasted years ago on this program with me many things that did, in fact, come true and or are in the process of becoming true right now.
		I'll give you that.
		You've missed a couple.
		But, I mean, this timeline aspect of it is really important.
		A nuclear weapon going off in South Korea, really important to know when.
		And you say that there's a method now you're working on for nailing these timelines down.
		How?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can't nail it down exactly, but we can narrow the window down by using remote viewing to describe the nearest significant event in time, the nearest significant preceding event to the key event that we're looking at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how are those seen?
		I mean, I could imagine, for example, a graph in which there are large events that are large spikes on a graph, and then some way to measure the time in between.
		And then how?
		I mean, do you look back at history?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		No, what we do is, for instance, in the case of what we believe to be an absolute discrete event and time, which is the next use of a nuclear weapon on the Korean Peninsula, what we can do as remote viewers, and it isn't difficult,
		is to remote view and allow the collective unconscious, the matrix, to provide the data to us, because we're solving for an unknown, to describe the most significant preceding event.
		And that may be, let's say, the assassination of a leader somewhere or the sinking of a submarine or something like that.
		So that when we see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that event still be in the future that you're now talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The precursor event?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't be precursor.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It would be preceding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be then a precursor to the event of the nuclear explosion.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I use precursors differently as an old biological, chemical warfare.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Different media.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I meant as a precursor to the event.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this is what it would be.
		So when we see that, we know we're very, very close.
		But to nail it down specifically, there are ways of doing it, but it's so much work that we can't engage in it practically.
		But this is close enough for government work to do something like that, for instance.
		For instance, I wanted to know what would presage the shifting of the planet's poles, which we firmly believe is a reality in the not-too-distant future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear Stan Deo part of the program?
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did.
		His appearance and now yours are sort of meant for each other.
		It's a very good segue.
		I mean, an awful lot of what he had to say, I should sit down and talk to you right now tonight about, and that is massive earth changes of the kind that will take millions of lives and send us back to the Stone Age or something close to it.
		I may be exaggerating a little bit here, but not too much.
		Ed, hold on.
		We're at a breakpoint.
		We'll be right back with Major Ed Dames from the High Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Time, time, time Time, time, time See what's become of the colour.
		Time, time, time to see what's become of me.
		While I looked around, all my possibilities, I was so hard to please.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Moving through the field of dreams on a dark night that is your mind.
		Good morning.
		It's Major Edanes here tonight.
		And if you'll stay right where you are, there's some strange times ahead.
		Warning for everybody, if you can't handle this kind of information, there's one thing you can always do.
		Your radio's equipped with it.
		It's called an on-off knob.
		Because some of this could get pretty rough.
		I suggest you stay, the rest of you that is, right where you are.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very interesting, actually.
		The way Ed says that he's going to be able to pin timelines down a little bit closer, and that is to look at one event and then, as soon as that occurs, expect or have the expectation the other event is fairly close.
		Now, it seems to me that remote viewing spans time, both in our future and in our past.
		It should be equally possible to remote view events in the past, shouldn't it, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Think of mine that's outside of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, here's what I'm getting at.
		I'm looking for the benchmark to understand how you're going to mark when an event might occur.
		You say, that really sounds like the Hopi.
		You know, when you see the blue moon arrive, then the following shall happen.
		So it's as though they were marking time in the same way, or the Hopi marked time in almost exactly the same way.
		But I thought, well, gee, then, why can't Ed go into the past, remote view large events that put a big ripple in everything?
		You know, the assassination of a president or an earthquake or something or another, and look at one event, then another event in the past, and find a way to have a benchmark to understand the length of time between A and B, or B and A in this case, since we're working backwards, and then come up with a benchmark for predicting the future.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, time isn't quite that way, Art.
		I mean, we're dealing with two times.
		We've got time when you sleep.
		For instance, you could go to sleep tonight and wake up a million years in the future and not know that you wouldn't have any idea how much time passed.
		So you've got that idea of time in terms of your mind and consciousness.
		And you have this linear time that we measure calendrically, the Earth going around the Sun, the Earth revolving on its axis, that kind of thing.
		So these events are, it's better to take the event and look at them in terms of not geological times per se.
		There really isn't a good benchmark when you get outside of our galaxy, when you get outside of the solar system.
		So down here, what we're looking at is a newspaper worthy, front-page-worthy event, that kind of thing.
		When we see that, let's say Madonna breaking her back, something like that, hypothetically, that we recognize that a major singer has had an accident.
		When we see that, then we're very close to this other thing happening.
		This is a significant preceding event that we can recognize analytically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just can't understand how you can measure one against the other.
		What benchmark is there to understand we're talking about Madonna breaking her back theoretically and then this other event and somehow you have to have something to measure to say we will be very close other than that's the next event.
		How do we know that's not 100 years after the first?
		You've got to have some ruler, some measurement, some way of understanding the time span.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have to experiment with it.
		It's the only way because it's a new protocol for us and we have to experiment.
		Everything that we do and we do well is a result of empirical knowledge, doing this over and over again, making lots of mistakes.
		That's the way science works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You seem to have the remote viewing part of it down very well indeed, but not the time part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if you could nail that down, then I think remote viewing would be back at the CIA real quick.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's not where I'm going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand, but I mean, they'd yank it back so quick that, you know, Saddam Hussein's head would twist around all the way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's still pretty and it isn't just used.
		Predictive intelligence is only one aspect of remote viewing.
		That's only one predictive intelligence.
		And that's not has not proven that useful because of this timeline problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, that's what I'd say.
		So if you are able to solve that, you're going to be back in the gold again very quickly because it's really the big problem where remote viewing is concerned.
		Not that an event Will occur, but when it will occur.
		Now, there's another practical part of remote viewing, and that is locating things that are in our present timeline: gas canisters for the military, the sort of thing you did before.
		And it was quite a bit of success with that.
		You would think the program would still stand within our government and be funded with taxpayer dollars if even that aspect of it was predictably accurate.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We didn't have it down then.
		I've got it down now, but it took a long, long time to iron the bugs out.
		And while it was a baby, it was so controversial.
		It was such a white elephant within the Department of Defense that it didn't have a chance to really grow.
		I had to grow it outside of the military over the last 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who really supported it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even to last as long as it did, it had to have some support as well as detractors, yes?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, some of the general officers and the very high-level civilians that supported it lost their jobs because of their support.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to mention names on the air here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I'm saying is there had to be support at some level for it to have lasted that long.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There was.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Colonel John Alexander, who lives there, a mutual friend of ours, he was a big supporter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And still is, by the way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, a very, very intelligent man who obviously has done everything he's told us about and a whole lot more, definitely gets behind the concept of remote viewing being valid.
		And so do a lot of other, a very great number of other people.
		Now, a lot of those people, even within the remote viewing community, are not exactly what we could call Ed Dames fans.
		On the other hand, they're not much a detractor either.
		It seems a very closed community.
		And at most, people would say, well, you know, I don't want to comment on Ed.
		I don't really have anything to say.
		that ass of number of other high profile remote viewers and they they just don't have a whole lot say about your edits uh...
unidentified		not as though Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I like to push the envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, and they know.
		And they don't say, well, he's full of baloney.
		He doesn't know what he's doing.
		None of that stuff.
		They just don't like the areas that you've been into, Ed.
		Well, instead of looking at the sort of thing they looked at and were trained to look at and still, for the most part, look at, you know, I've asked them, I said, why don't you look at some of this incredible material that Ed Dames is talking about all the time?
		And they all say, I don't want to do that.
		I don't want to look at those kinds of events.
		Why, do you think?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Because they become tainted with those kinds of very controversial things.
		You can't be a conservative scientist or a technician or a writer or a radio announcer and talk about UFOs and talk about the grays and talk about crop circles and agroglyphs.
		You cannot do that and maintain your credibility.
		That's why.
		I don't need to be politically correct, and I am not.
		But my life is very interesting.
		It's getting more interesting all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was really interesting in the military.
		I was there in the Air Force, and I know the military mentality.
		And you must have had a hard road to hoe, I'll tell you, with an awful lot of the military.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Only in these arena.
		As a training officer, I could get away with quite a bit.
		But remember, my primary job was not to use taxpayers' money to look at UFOs and things like that.
		We did it after hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
		But the reason you did it after hours, if memory serves me, is because during the routine tasking that you were giving your people in the position you had in that program, they began seeing things, and you might explain this.
		Seeing things, understanding things about which they were not tasked.
		Now, I suppose from the military's point of view, that's the failure of the program.
		But apparently, they began to tell you about these things they were seeing that either made them nervous or scared them or they didn't understand about our future.
		And they talked about them.
		Somehow this got to you and intrigued you.
		Or how did it happen?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The first operations officer of the unit got interested in Mars and used Joe McMonagall as in an altered state.
		Joe was not a remote viewer per se.
		He was a psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very talented psychic.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, and he served this country very well.
		But Fred Atwater, the first operations officer, started to experiment with Joe when Joe was in altered states and given targets that were off-planet, particularly Mars.
		In Joe's book, he says that he did this down at the Monroe Institute, but in reality, it was being...
		Negative.
		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, now how did Target Mars come about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly not from our military.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it was Fred Atwater, the first operations officer of the unit, who said, I wonder what, and then let's see if mine's outside of time and space.
		So I started to experiment with that, and when I was recruited to be Fred's replacement, I became extremely intrigued in this.
		Very, very intrigued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think that even the military might want the answers to some of these questions because some of them involve how remote viewing works, the medium in which it works, the way it works, what we are beyond our physical bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even the military might be interested in that sort of thing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, not really.
		No.
		That's not what we get paid to do.
		General Marsh had blessed us with some monies and some time to prove and to develop the protocol so that we had a standard operating procedure eventually to be able to work out the bugs so that we could find hostages and terrorists and get inside of erstwhile Soviet missile fabrication facilities, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know this.
		The CIA is a thankless profession indeed.
		You know, you never hear about their successes because they are successes and the bomb didn't explode or the gas didn't get dispersed or whatever horrible thing might happen didn't happen so you never hear about it.
		And on the other hand, screw one thing up and of course the press is all over the CIA for screw-ups.
		That's all you ever hear about.
		It sort of puts bad CIA coveted our programs.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They coveted our program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm saying is put the bad taste in people's mouths when it goes bad.
		So that's all you ever hear about.
		I'm assuming that even remote viewing was responsible for some of the CIA successes that we never heard about and you probably can't talk about now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Those I can't.
		There weren't that many.
		There were a couple, though.
		But one of them really, really made me angry.
		Very, very angry personally because we was at the height of the military unit's success rate when morale was high, everything was going right.
		And the CIA came to us and tasked us with finding a mole within their ranks.
		And I assumed that when we found this person, I won't mention gender, when we found this person, that the person would be sent to prison.
		When we found the person, the person was murdered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Murdered.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And that, so I was an accomplice to a murder.
		And that really ticked me off.
		That really ticked me off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's something to think about.
		You know, a lot of people believe, of course, that murder and assassination are not things that our government does.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Is that the person was set up where they were killed on farms?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		Well, wherever they were killed.
		Nevertheless, Ed, is it naïve to believe that our government doesn't do that kind of thing?
		We know they've done it in the past, so let's get that one out of the way right away.
		They say they don't do it now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't do wet operations anymore, but that doesn't mean we can't subcontract.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a court of law, the subcontractor goes up the river just like the contractor.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not if they're foreigners.
unidentified		Well, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose that's a distinction, but it's not a big one.
		Still murder.
		Still the disposition by extreme measures, whatever you want to call it.
		So it really does, whether it's by proxy or whatever, it goes on now, too, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		By proxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that distinction is really important.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not in the end, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not in the end, and not for the target, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was still dead as doornails.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's only so many ways to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So the world still works in much the same way it did before.
		If you want to throw in an extra word to justify something, have at it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But it's still really the same way.
		But there are more people.
		There are more people.
		Nothing new, but more people.
		So the percentages of things, good and bad, are higher than before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's still as much carnage and barbarism as the time of Vlad the Impaler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there is, Ed.
		In fact, right now, our nation is on the verge of God knows what as a result of terrorism 9-11, and the economy got kicked in the rear end, and it still has not come back to its feet.
		Our economy is in trouble.
		It's going to get one terrorist event, and so everybody, me included, wants to know what's coming with regard to terrorism.
		Now, you told us about the nuke in South Korea.
		Any major terrorist event, another one in this country, and most people believe the economy would stagger to a stop.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to see another major terrorist event that's going to drive the economy down, but you're going to see something else that will take the economy out pretty quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems awfully fragile.
		It doesn't seem like it takes a whole lot to drag it down.
		What kind of event are you speaking of?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Avian-borne diseases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What-borne?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Avian?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bird-borne diseases.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, look at SARS.
		SARS was control SARS for obvious reasons.
		You essentially isolate, quarantine populations of infected individuals, and because it's passed from human to human, eventually it runs its course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		And maybe it goes dormant with a season and comes back too, like some other diseases we've seen.
		And maybe one of these times they don't manage to quarantine enough people.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to look at the reservoir of the virus.
		In this case, for SARS, it appears to be human.
		But let's just say for argument purposes that it's human.
		What we're faced with now is something much, much more serious, much more serious, because we've got at least something like West Nile, if not West Nile itself, being transmitted by mosquitoes to birds and other animals.
		It's too cost-prohibitive to control those two vectors.
		There's no way to do it.
		And it's going to spread fast with the warm weather, and it's already got a foothold here, West Nile at least, in the U.S., and a couple of more right behind it.
		That's what's going to take the economy down, that.
		Years ago on your show, years ago, six or seven years ago, I said the cause of the next economic collapse of all things, and we thought it was so silly, I didn't even want to say it on the air.
		I said, the cause of the next global economic collapse will be disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember that.
		I remember that very well indeed.
		And we should dig it up from the archives and play it.
		No, you're absolutely right.
		You did certainly say that.
		And that's what I've been, I was trying to point out a little earlier.
		For whatever you've missed, you've had a lot of really big hits.
		It's just that your detractors tend to, like with the CIA Ed, you know, they just go after the failures or the misses or the things that have not yet occurred, and they bring those to mind when they come after you.
		It's the normal human way to react to the kind of news that you give out.
		You know, news of catastrophes and disasters and the darker side of things.
		A dread Danes is my guest.
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		Walking miles to drink your water.
		You know I'm a little bit of a warm city.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am.
		How you doing?
		I'll never, ever forget the beginning of this movie.
		The TV version of the stand.
		Did you see that?
		Do you remember that?
		This song was playing in the background.
		That's how they open.
		And it showed a scientist standing in the lab.
unidentified		And, oops, and the vial hits the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then it shows people on the base beginning to run for their lives.
		Other people throwing up on the lawn.
		In other words, the beginning of the end of the world.
		That was some movie.
		It's kind of like listening to Major Ed Danes.
		We'll be right back.
		By the way, folks, my email at E remains the same artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's all lowercase.
		RBL A-R-D-E-D-E-L-L at Minespring.com.
		Alright, my guest is Ed Games maker at Dames.
		And we're talking about some pretty rough to listen to things, and he does work in areas that other remote viewers don't.
		So if this is overwhelming for you, and or if you have children about, I suggest you flip the radio off, because it's going to be concerning.
		Listening to it is going to be a concerning thing for you, as it is me, because I happen to believe that remote viewing is real.
		A lot of people who I have a great deal of respect for in the scientific community also give it a gigantic amount of credibility.
		And once again, here's Major Ed Ames.
		Ed, welcome back.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Art, before we send young ones off to bed, their parents can tell the kids to go to sleep with this on their mind.
		ReadYourParentsMind.com and ReadYourTeachersMind.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, those two websites will take children to a new ESP for kids kit that I've developed and beta tested over two years in high school and fifth grade science projects.
		I'm trying to train as many kids as possible, as fast and furious as possible.
		And this is a really effective kit for young kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are you trying to get it?
unidentified		They'll need these skills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'll need these skills.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they'll need these skills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To live, to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's a good start.
		Yeah.
		And it's easier to teach children.
		It's more difficult for reasons that we've talked about in the past, because they don't have the lexicon and thesaurus to express what they're perceiving remotely or in their mind's eye.
		But they have far less baggage than you or I. They don't have an ego to have to tolerate.
		They're not conditioned, those kind of things.
		So they're pretty much a clean slate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it really always a good thing, Ed, to know the future?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that they should know the future.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They need to know where water is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm just asking you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said you're laying into the practical aspect of it, where you could find water or do some other thing that would save your own life.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or simple things like solving a problem, going right brain.
		I'm working with a very famous scientist in Japan right now who has hundreds of thousands of young students that he's taught photo reading to.
		And we're working hand in hand in Japan and in China to teach young people these skills.
		And I want to do the same thing in America because it's my home country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But along with these practical skills comes the ability to let the mind adventure with questions that almost every walking, breathing human being wants the answer to, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Brave new world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brave new world.
		And so, is it always good to know the future?
		And Do you think, I mean, you must have wondered about this a lot.
		I mean, are there some things better just not known?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think so, and you do.
		We do.
		I agree with you.
		I think your question is actually a statement, and I agree with you.
		And yes, this is a Pandora's box, but what would a world without secrets be like?
		Anything's better than what we have now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is that, yes.
		I suppose.
		But there is a song that says, tell me lies, sweet little lies.
		I mean, there are a lot.
		There's a big part of the population, Ed, that doesn't like bad news.
		And frankly, a lot of them, Ed, are your detractors.
		They don't like bad news.
		And when they get it, they get angry.
		That's how they respond.
		They respond with anger.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it even with some of the most educated people I've met on the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		It's a natural human reaction.
		If you don't understand something or it's beyond your ability to compute and to even think about and digest, then you reject it and you do so with anger.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Suppose something lands that's a higher intelligence, and it does not look, it looks like the Ferengi or something worse.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we approach these entities with this kind of attitude, that's not an attitude that's going to get us anywhere out there in the galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not convinced yet that we're headed to the galaxy.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If we ever make it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not one that's going to be possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a guaranteed ride at all.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not the way we're going at the moment.
		And by the way, while we're on the subject of something like that landing, I just read a very interesting book, really an interesting book.
		The concept was that the United States had begun to disintegrate into civil unrest and civil war and acts of terrorism by our own.
		We've already experienced a little bit of that, but I mean on a massive scale, so massive that the president in this novel is forced to concoct an alien threat, actually construct a ship with organisms on board that would pass muster after the crash, and they simulate a crash, and about 10,000 people are killed by this gas let off by this spacecraft as it crashes.
		And so the president at the time, you know, with an approval rating of plus one or something terrible like that, actually manages to turn the entire country around.
		A lot of people have to die for this to happen, but all of a sudden now we have a common enemy, something to be scared of that's seemingly beyond us right now.
		And I wonder if you imagine anything like that's ever been considered.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it doesn't have to be.
		That fantasy doesn't have to be entertained.
		We're going to have the real thing here in the summer as it begins on micro levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, all right.
		Now, let me make sure here that we're talking about something that you have remote viewed.
		Is this an event you have remote viewed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, avian-borne diseases.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Next up in terms of the catastrophe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I read a story recently that we are being bombarded, I mean, as in Earth, with alien organisms all the time.
		They're crashing into Earth, you know, the forms of meteors with some organic matter from some place or another with some little bug.
		Is that what you mean?
		Or do you mean that we're going to be targeted by an alien intelligence?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, absolutely not.
		I'm talking about an epidemiology here.
		A foreign, yes, an alien virus because it was indigenous to Africa for many, many years.
		Having jumped shipped on an airliner, made it to the U.S., and now it has an inroad.
		It's got its teeth in the East Coast, and it's going to spread fast via mosquitoes and birds.
		And to mammals, very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And mammals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And will it mutate?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't really have to mutate.
		It'll take mammals so long to build up by natural selection immunity to it that it'll be able to eat a lot before it has to mutate.
		So Westmile virus, maybe African equine encephalitis, things like that.
		No, it won't take long.
		It doesn't have to mutate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have made these predictions now for many years.
		In fact, there was one that involved mother's milk.
		You recall?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		Now, that's a little bit further over the horizon.
		We reach a point where we get a grand slam and there's a mass cull and all that kind of thing.
		But later on, and we need to talk about this in the context of cowamutilations as well, I will say that a point is going to be reached because of not viruses, but prions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mad cow disease.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Mad cow chronic wasting disease and human variants, Kurt spelled Yuku.
		A point's going to be reached where we're not going to be able to trust milk because of these things.
		We don't want to transmit that kind of stuff, not to mention other things in milk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is also a prediction that you made many years before Mad Cow showed up or anything like it.
		And, you know, where you were, you've been, I see that you have been right.
		I really do want to stick up for you for the haters out there.
		I mean, he really did predict this, folks.
		So it's going to sharply increase now.
		And again, the old hard question timeline, already we see these diseases beginning to emerge.
		But we're talking about something that you use the word cull, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, the cull is going to happen two ways.
		One, we're right now, as you know, culling elk herds and the British have culled a lot of cows.
		It's going to happen here in America and a point's going to be reached where the cull is going to be so great that dairymen are going to have to take down their herds.
		That means no milk for babies.
		So, you know, just that's over the horizon, not too far.
		Not too far.
		But that has nothing to do with the avian-borne viruses right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This you view as on top of us virtually?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, this summer.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Watch this summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this summer?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how bad?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How fast?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not sure, Art.
		I just know it's catastrophic in many ways.
		In terms of the economy, lots of money are going to have to be poured into this.
		And the Center for Disease Control is not going to be able to cope with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looked to me like this recent thing we've just been through, if we're all the way through it.
		I'm not even frankly sure that we're all the way through SARS at all.
		i mean i i think you know it's it's suddenly sort of now out of the headlines for the moment i have this feeling we're not done with sarah's response more likely is not done with us no but part it can be controlled again because It's amazing, but I just, I feel like the other shoe is going to fall.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The other shoe is the avian-borne diseases, Art, because again, here, in the case of SARS, we're talking about humans transmitting it to another human.
		Human-to-human contact is required.
		Yes.
		Isolate and quarantine a group, let the disease run its course, treat the people, and then it's gone.
		But in the case of avian-borne diseases, birds that have been bitten by a mosquito that's transmitting a virus, it's economically unfeasible, absolutely outside of the realm of any economic practicality to control that.
		And birds fly very far, very fast, and they transmit it to other mosquito populations that are all over the place.
		So if this spreads, if this happens quickly, and it will, just hold on to your head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish that we could have some understanding of scale.
		I mean, that should be the kind of thing that you could remote view.
		If not when, then at least scale.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we can do that.
		I need my team to do that.
		And I can't afford to hire them to do that because they're being paid to do other things right now.
		And I don't have the personal funds to do that.
		We have other contracts we're running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I understand that you all don't sit around running the kind of topics that are of great interest to this audience all the time.
		You have a money side of the business.
		I tend to forget that.
		What kind of, without being specific, which I'm sure you couldn't, what kind of jobs are you being paid to do?
		What type of jobs?
		I mean, if you don't want to tell me about one, then just tell me something that would be just like what you're doing, so I'll understand what occupies your time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm an educator, for one thing.
		So I teach workshops.
		I have one coming up this weekend in Las Vegas, Seattle, and San Diego.
		Each month I teach a workshop on remote viewing.
		And that paid contract right now is with one of them is with the largest book publishing company in Japan.
		And they are contracting my team to do a book to forecast the Japanese economy in each sector.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A big book, a very big book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to ask you if there was more money in actually going about and talking about remote viewing than there was actually in the remote viewing itself.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a lot of money to be made there, but I refuse to do it.
		That's not how I want to spend my life just talking dog.
		I love my work.
		And talking is great to people like you.
		I've really enjoyed this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do too.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But I couldn't do it too long without being.
		I need to work.
		I love my job.
		So it's getting out there on the ground.
		We've been really succeeding in Japan.
		I'm a big star on Japanese television now.
		Every month I have a big special.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About you being on Japanese TV every month.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, big special on Osahi TV Channel 10.
		I'm pretty well known in Japan now.
		And that's what, look, the Japanese television, the entertainment industry, has paid me to do what I've wanted to do in the States, and that is to locate missing children and child murders.
		And so that's what I've been able to do in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you find more cooperation from government officials, local police, you know, agencies of varying sorts in Japan than you do here?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have everything I want there.
		Really?
		And the parents are so thankful for anything.
		My team and I can do anything.
		The police, the media, everybody in the States, I have to do it clandestinely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think there is such a large difference?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it about our nature that makes you look like the wicked witch of the West here in the West?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not quite sure.
		I'm not quite sure.
		It could have been mistakes I've made in the past.
		And the situation has been greatly compounded by a group of psychics, a remote viewing group of psychics that botched, terribly botched a child search, Elizabeth Smart child search.
		And that has just about erased any hope of getting law enforcement on my side here in the States for the next couple of years.
		That's why we have to succeed a lot in Japan, take those successes back to American law enforcement, especially the FBI, before we can make some inroads here.
		But boy, it's been tough going, really tough going here in the States.
		I have one more case left in the States, and I have to run it clandestinely and sneak around to find the child's bones because I'm not getting any support from anybody on this case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yet in Japan, you get all kinds of support.
		What's the record over there so far?
		How are you doing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're doing extremely well in terms of locating a hit-and-run, a seven-year-old child hit-and-run victim, describing the automobile, where the hit-and-run, where the driver works, those kinds of things.
		locating the body of an infant.
		We're doing seemingly well there.
		I've got everything I need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What went wrong with the Elizabeth Smart case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did the team and how did the team go wrong?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They didn't have the expertise.
		They tackled something that could not be solved.
		They did not have the expertise to solve.
		They never were trained in advanced skills in terms of setting a problem up and correctly analyzing it.
		And their egos got in the way.
		I have fired more people because their egos exploded.
		Because remote feeling is a very empowering thing, Art.
		When you can do this, you are hot stuff.
		And I've even had to check my own many, many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I just bet you have.
		Because we've talked about that before.
		One thing shines through with you, Ed.
		You're not the shy, retiring type.
		You've got a pretty good-sized ego.
		How do you keep that out of your work?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You've got to.
		You must.
		Once you put that pen on the paper and you start working the way that we start as remote viewers, as professionals, you better have that ego out of the picture.
		Because you're not going to be able to control your imagination, and you're not going to be able to stop the judgment of the incoming data, and you're going to crash and burn.
		You can strap your ego back on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you've got to be Dr. Jekyll and Major Edams.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, yeah.
		Everybody works the same way in this artist.
		It's just like being an airline pilot.
		A pilot can have a big ego, but when they're in the cockpit of a 747 responsible for all those passengers, but they're darn well-pulled line and act as the same degree of standards that every other pilot does.
		Once the plane's land and they're off, that's fine.
		Strap the ego back on.
		But there are standards here of performance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you recognize when a remote viewer has his ego totally blocking any decent information?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I had one that happened to me in Japan.
		One got caught up in the drama, lost his perspective, had serious personal problems, and had to be let go.
		Very serious personal problems that he needs to attend to.
		So I had to replace them with a very important thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does that show up in their work?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They begin to lose the target.
		They begin to go all over the place.
		They can't maintain consistent data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, all the discipline the military instilled.
		Hold on, Ed, we're at a breakpoint.
		It breaks down totally, and you're no longer with the team.
		You're out there on your own limb.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		One thing that I've always been extremely curious about is what our animals think of us and what they think about in general.
		And I wonder if Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames, has ever remote viewed anything that would give him a hint of what it is that animals think, if they think, if they have a consciousness, if they have a soul, if they or if they don't.
		I mean, I just wonder, Ed, if you've ever done any work with animals and could tell us anything about any of that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not esoteric work like that, but yes, I had a fascinating contract with some dolphin researchers once years ago to assist their studies of dolphins in the wild.
		That was very fascinating.
		Dolphin communications.
		They needed some insight as to how to communicate with dolphins.
		And that was one of my favorite all-time projects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you determine that a dolphin has a thinking process as we understand it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or are they entirely different organisms to the degree that we wouldn't even grasp the way they, in quotes, I guess, think of things?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it was close enough so that there was enough commonality and overlap so that we could fathom what was going on in the revolving mind.
		But the way they were processing information was what was interesting to me because we think of them as acoustically oriented.
		They're very vocal animals.
		And yet, when you remote view it, it turns out that visually they're far more adaptive and responsive than they are acoustically.
		far more.
		And so I developed a protocol for a human-dolphin interaction that was based on visuals rather Yes, they're extremely inquisitive.
		As they become conscious in the morning when they wake up, for instance, anything that's changed in the water, even a small thing, will be immediately recognized and investigated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why have they befriended, in some cases, saved human beings?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I never remote viewed that or tried to gain any insight there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did any insight into the nature of the way dolphins think give you any clue about that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		No, no.
		Only the way they process visual information and integrate it.
		Beyond that, in terms of what we would call higher ideation or thought, whether they cogitate or dream or raciocinate when they're sitting around or swimming around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've just sort of always wondered whether it was a semi-natural reaction.
		They see a human in the water.
		They know what a shark can do instinctually, of course.
		They know very well what a shark can do and does every waking fin flapping moment.
		And so they would understand that that human or that biological entity flopping in the water is about to get gobbled.
		And I just wonder, do they make a conscious moral decision to save that human and help?
		Or do they just react instinctually as they might with any other creature in that situation?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, my knee-jerk reaction would be it would be it's instinctive, but I'm always wrong in my knee-jerk reaction.
		This is why I love my work, because when you use remote viewing, you bypass all the judgments and the imagination, and you get to the direct knowledge.
		But I have not looked at that, and there's so many things, Art, to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at a cat for me, will you?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, it doesn't have to be a specific cat picture cat.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		In our work, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Okay.
		But speaking of looking at something, I'll send you a picture, a cat named Yeti.
		I want to know.
unidentified		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A picture would be better in that case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No problem.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of inspecting, the workshop I have coming up this weekend, I have one of the world's leading orthopedic surgeons in there.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You might want to swing by and have them inspect your back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's giving me fix at the moment, actually.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I need to give the listeners an enrollment phone number for these workshops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I always let you promo something.
		It seems like you're hot on workshops tonight.
		So a chance for the public to see and what, work with you, watch you work, do what.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		It's strictly teaching.
		It's teaching a skill.
		We lock the doors.
		You come out with your paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Don't come to these workshops unless you really want to learn this because I'm going to make sure you do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Are you standing right next to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I've heard that from many of your students, Ed.
		I've actually had, yeah, Wayne Green, I've had emails from all kinds of people who have been to your workshops, and they've got nothing but really good things to say.
		I'll sure give you that.
		I've had a lot of those kind of emails, Ed.
		So, all right, so phone number for the workshops.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you want to enroll, it's toll-free 1-866-607-8439.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what cities should be on the alert here?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have workshops coming up.
		Well, again, this weekend is a higher-level one.
		So Seattle in July and San Diego in August.
		The reason I'm pushing these now is I'm probably going to be turning my attention fully to children beginning this fall, and I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, you've been threatening to do that for years.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm starting now with this kit, the ESP kit for young people.
		In fact, if you look at the cover, you have to go through a website that says there's a policeman with a whistle.
		It says warning.
		Information may be disturbing to some adults.
		No one over 12 years of age may enter this website without that kind of thing.
		Adults must be accompanied by kids.
		And then you'll see the cover art for the August release of Mind Dazzle Kids Kit.
		Or they can go to remoteviewing2003.com and get links to the enrollment and to the kids kit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But particularly if you're in one of those cities, the number to call is 1-866-607-8439.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still have not made up my mind whether or not I really ever want to give it a try.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm going to tell you something about, I'm not going to mention his name, but this world's leading orthopedic surgeon took the workshop because he had a neuropathy that's killing him.
		He was dying from this.
		It mimic Lou Gehrig's disease.
		And none of his colleagues, which are the world's best like him, could diagnose the cause of this.
		And so I personally and two of my team members remote viewed an effective cure and treatment for this disease.
		He's very happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he's a happy camper indeed.
		All right, look, prior to your appearance tonight, we had Stan Dale on.
		Stan wove a tale from a man he had talked to, which frankly sounds just like, gosh, Ed, the hopie.
		It sounds like hopie prophecy.
		It sounds like things you've said in the past.
		It sounds like things Gordon Michael Scallion has said.
		Geologic, massive disturbance of some sort that will leave many, many dead.
		You know, California into the ocean, all that sort of thing.
		What do you feel about that?
		I mean, I know you deal with disease and other things that are coming to us and are obviously happening right now.
		But what about that geologic kind of earth change stuff, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		My feeling is, well, I firmly believe that in our lifetime, at least mine, I don't know about yours, but our lifetime, just kidding, that we're going to see, believe it or not, an honest-to-god pole shift that will be as catastrophic as the one that sank that city off the coast of Cuba.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing Stan told me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't recall now whether it was on the air privately, but a pole shift, yes, you mentioned that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let's call it a pole shift.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The Earth's going to turn Oravo or Precess on its axis, and it's going to do the same type of thing that caused that city to be that far underwater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You refer to the one off the coast of Cuba, I presume, 2,200 feet down.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Now, this I'm always reticent to talk about these kind of things because people, even who push the envelope like myself, tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
		But in terms of predictive intelligence, I'm going to have to stand by this as well as the Korea nuclear device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was Miss Leader who not only killed me off on her website, but had talked of killing off most humans because of Planet X, which never did arrive on schedule, either one of them, as far as I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She did get me, though.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is a reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Planet X never did hit when she said it would hit.
		Now, is Planet X, is it in fact a reality?
		And if so, where is she and when's she coming around the corner?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It is a reality, and it does appear to be the causative agent for this precess or this wobble.
		We're not quite sure.
		It's so difficult to we're looking at an unprecedented geophysical event, and it's very, very difficult, but there is a passing space body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot more than misleader to say that that may be the case.
		Scientists, in fact, have spotted an object that's a burnt-out sun or large dark planet, or they don't know what out there.
		And then, of course, there is Mr. Sitchin that I've had the pleasure of interviewing, and there's a lot, I think, to that, and a lot of ancient things say it happened before.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that what's so difficult to fathom for me and others is that it's such an infrequent thing in terms of geological time and human history.
		Well, human history.
		We can't seek much further back than 9,000 years in terms of culture.
		What happened past that?
		I guess we all had a culture all of a sudden magically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of a cosmic blink of the eye, really, in our existence, just a very short time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But I think the Hopies are right.
		Many cultures are right.
		This is the end of the fourth world, the beginning of a new and young world.
		And this will be, what I have done is remote view what will presage and announce the Earth turning.
		Because I'd like to know when this is going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So would I. So would I. And what will presage it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Extreme weather events.
		Violent, violent weather events.
		Very, very fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, isn't it good that we're not having that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're not having it the kind of way that I'm seeing it in terms of remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen really fast and furious as if the Earth's magnetic field is changing or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's another good point that we should cover here in a moment, the Earth's magnetic field changing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, when you see those kinds of events, really back-to-back and drastic, head for high land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how much more drastic than we have now?
		We have cells doing un I mean, the whole season has been terrifying.
		I watch it daily on the maps.
		These incredible, incredible, long, nation-covering storm fronts, Ed, that are producing tornadoes everywhere they go and destruction in their path all the time.
		Some of the rubble is being tossed around because it's already rubble, just rubble being tossed around.
		It's horrible what's going on.
		And so if you're saying this is nothing compared to what's coming?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		On our first show over seven years ago, I told you in that two-hour show that soon there will be no more seasons, and we will not be able to grow crops the way that we've grown them in the past.
		Yes, you did.
		And by the way, crops are going to start failing for a number of different reasons, but that's after, that's next season.
		So just get ready.
		This is a grand slam and a mass call and make some accommodate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say crops will begin failing next season, that's pinning it down pretty hard.
		And it's something you can be called on.
		Is this something you, again, just to be sure, Ed, that you remote view, that crops will in fact begin failing next season?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me reiterate.
		They're beginning to fail now for weather reasons.
		But no, not next season necessarily, but very soon they'll begin to fail for other reasons, particularly because of pathological reasons in terms of mold and fungi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still stand by all you said about something coming out of Africa?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you seem to have been very constant about that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The reason, Art, is because some things were so big, for instance, this idea of this pole shift, let's use that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The end of time in terms of the Mayan calendar or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that what you're going to call it, the end of time?
		You do have a written down here, and something you sent me, the end of time, and I went, huh?
		The end of time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like that term because I used to think the Mayan calendar just ran out of room around 2012 or so and just stopped there.
		But now I realize that was very, very incorrect.
		Literally, for them, the end of one era, the end of the tolbah, and the beginning of the next.
		And it's right about now.
		What I think is so interesting is that we're born into this time where it's happening.
		That is fascinating.
		I mean, lots of, as I've said before, lots of opportunity for character development lies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right now, not to pick on your timeline problem again, but I mean, how can you know for sure?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know for sure, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The reason we know is because hundreds of remote viewing sessions looking at individuals' optimum trajectories, what would be most fulfilling to them in terms of vocation, mate, those kinds of things like that, put them all underground.
		In other words, their unconscious is saying to them, as well as the collective unconscious, you don't have a trajectory.
		You don't have a mate.
		You don't have a vocation.
		You don't have any of these things unless you survive.
		And the only way you can survive is to go over here, be in a hole.
		Because when is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be underground.
		Again, something you have said for years and years and years, that we're going to end up, for some reason, underground.
		Or living underground.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		To wait out storms.
		Because if the Earth turns, not only do you have inundation, but you've got, again, because the coefficient of friction between the atmosphere and the mantle is so loose, you have a few days for all that energy to catch up into the atmosphere.
		The atmosphere, again, just think of an egg that's not cooked when you spin it really fast on the table.
		It takes a moment for the shell to start spinning because the coefficient of friction becomes a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So when all that energy is translated into the atmosphere, the wind is going to pick up.
		Now, I've talked to NOAA scientists in Balda, about National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration scientists about this.
		I've asked them to do some back-of-the-envelope calculations for me on, let's say, a 12-degree pole ship.
		So essentially, you're going to get 300-mile-an-hour winds picking up and lasting for a week and a half, two weeks, and then dying down gradually.
		That's why people are underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll take things right down to the ground.
		If you've got a 300-mile-an-hour wind, they're going to be island wipers.
		I mean, you know, things that only mainland wipers, whatever a 300-mile-an-hour wind tears over, it takes with it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I live on the islands.
		I live in the Hawaiian islands, and when even 130-mile, 120-mile-an-hour wind is still in the island of Kauai, has left, still never recovered from a storm 15, 20 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And further out in the Pacific, where typhoons have a longer time to build, I've seen them dealing, Ed, with 200-plus mile-per-hour winds.
		You know, once a typhoon is Dolly, once it's built all the way across the Pacific, you can get hit on Wake Island or, you know, the Philippines or any of the coastal areas in Southeast Asia or even Asia.
		Can get slammed with just monster typhoons.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're not talking planet-wide now because we don't know the zones of inundation.
		We don't know the zones, but we can remote view sanctuaries.
		We can do that for ourselves and for others.
		So we know, for instance, and I've said this many times, one of the places, the places that you need to be are high or very far inland.
		There's got to be a lot of fresh water.
		There's got to be protection where you can get on the ground.
		And you need to be around people that aren't going to rape, plunder, and pillage when the lights go out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's another topic and one we should cover here in a moment.
		Those who will rape, plunder, and pillage.
		Majra Dames is here.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Where are those happy days?
		They seem so hard to find.
		I tried to reach for you, but you have lost your mind.
		Whatever happened to my love, I wish I had it too.
		It used to be so nice, it used to be so good.
		So when you're near me, darling, can't you hear me?
		It's so nice.
		I tell you what's wrong with my head, like the cold's going on.
		You're always talking about your crazy nights.
		What other days you're going to get in the night?
		Don't let me go.
		I don't know my mind.
		I'll tell you what's wrong with my head, like the cold's going on.
		Don't let me go.
		You're looking good just like a snake in your grass.
		What other days you're going to break your glass?
		Don't let me go.
		Premier Radio Network presents coast to coast AM with George Norris.
		And now, filling in for George, your special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Of course, Major James is here, and we'll try and get some calls this hour if we can.
		You've got the numbers, and all you've got to do is pick it up and use it, so we'll fit some questions in, but in a moment, I have a few more of my own.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rape, plunder, and pillage.
		I've often wondered about that.
		You know, if there was some sort of geographic seismic event that would cause the economy to crash, or whether it was a bug that is coming that the major has talked about, or anything else, that would cause a major disruption in the force, i.e.
		our economy tanking and there being blood in the streets and rape, plunder, and pillage.
		I've often wondered, Ed, what kind of percentage of the people would begin engaging in that kind of activity with that kind of news?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You wonder that and you ask it, but I know what's uppermost on your mind right now.
		Do you?
		Yes, and during the break, I just did a little exercise here, and I addressed that.
		I wanted to know what's uppermost on your mind.
		I know that you have a certain agenda that deal with the show.
		But I wanted to take a look to see what was really there, to show you how practical this is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, great hell, have you found?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That antenna of yours hanging right there is such a big thing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I sketched your antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what, Ed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we'll get into this in a second, but that's not a hard call, Ed, because I've been talking about almost nothing else.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you have, but it didn't occur to me that it would be.
		I was thinking of something like your cat or Ramona or something like that.
		But there it was.
		I sketched this friggin antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, my antenna.
		Don't you call my antenna that.
		No, it's been an important part.
		It's been something I designed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But that's what I used to do when I sweated blood over.
		If I needed to know if a spy was recruitable, an agent, as a spy master, I needed to know if, let's say, a foreign scientist would be ready to sell out his or her country.
		And I had to do these kind of things using remote science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite on that level.
		But yeah, blood, sweat, and tears.
		I mean, a good friend of mine says no project worth doing ever completes itself without personal injury, you know.
unidentified		And so I've got to let myself into this.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, back to your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've sketched this out.
		You've looked at it.
		What do you know?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I just know the darn thing is huge.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You haven't been on your property, but my God, it looks like if Premier ever goes down, they don't have anything to worry about.
unidentified		You can pick up the programming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't even know where to go from here.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They ain't got nothing on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, do you want to task it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Challenges, and you know that I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put enough pictures of my antenna.
		It's like a baby, you know.
		You wanted to see my antenna?
		So you might look into why I have this anomalous, incredible voltage on the antenna.
		It is a genuine mystery.
		Oh, I'd be glad to do that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
		See, that's pretty easy to do.
		I mean, it wouldn't take more than, let's say, two hours max of my time alone and easier.
		But yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
		All right.
		It's just standing there, and it's not RF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's right.
		It certainly isn't.
		It's a mixture of AC and DC, and it's about 400 volts, enough to knock you on your butt, because it's knocked me on my butt a few times.
		So I've taken care of it.
		It's not a big deal now.
		I mean, it's shunted to ground, and I'm just using the antenna which it was designed for.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But it shouldn't have been there in the first place, is what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Ed.
		It appears to be voltage out of the blue, you know, out of nowhere.
		And that's a very interesting prospect.
		I still have a lot of testing to do.
		But yes, it's an intriguing prospect.
		And after all, it might even be zero-point energy, something I'll be talking about with tomorrow night's guest.
		It might be.
		Who knows?
		Who knows what it is?
		But it's interesting enough that if you feel like it, Ed, I'll supply you with some pictures.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		I don't need the pictures.
		I already have chain of custody, but you've told me what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you've taken my antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, chain of custody?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You've told me, I'm from my mind to your mind, I have chain of custody on the problem.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And you've explained it to me and articulated it enough that I have no problem knowing what I need to do at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that should be extremely interesting.
		All right, look, back to something that'll interest all, and that is you mentioned we said aliens, and you kind of fluffed over it a little bit by talking about organisms, those which might be coming.
		And in fact, they're alien in a way.
		But you know what, Ed?
		I really want to ask you about aliens the real thing.
		Aliens as in intelligence from another planet.
		Not at the microorganism level, but real aliens with real spacecraft visiting here.
		Has that happened?
		Will that happen?
		Is that going to happen?
		Is that our future to meet another race from somewhere else?
		Is it going to happen?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		It is after this big slam dunk.
		We are going to meet another race.
		They are coming here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will they have any part at all in affecting what's going to happen to us in any way?
		Do they even care?
		What do we know about them, if anything?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That is the subject of my personal Project, Starman, and has been.
		Starman specifically seeks, it's geared toward evoking or reducing or eliciting a confrontation with one particular agency that affected one particular event in South Africa.
		And that's what Starman is focused on.
		And we're squeezing as much of our IQ as possible out to elicit this confrontation.
		And it turns out that people are the key.
		Every time we've been in the field to attempt to gain contact with this particular agency, we've brought instruments and some of the best scientists in the world.
		And what this agency has done, this alien agency has done, is tweak our instruments.
		Whatever we brought in, it's tweaked our instruments, whether it's been infrared or ultraviolet or electromagnetic in any way, shape, or form, or microwave, it's turned those instruments on.
		So it's just playing with us.
		So we've learned a lot in the last 10 years about what to do and what not to do and how to elicit contact.
		People are key.
		People and others and knowing where to go.
		Because if you don't know where to go, they know that you don't know how to do what they need for you to do, which is, for all intents and purposes, how to use consciousness to contact them.
		You have to find a place where they will meet, and you have to bring the right people there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are either animal mutilations, the two most inexplicable continuing reliable phenomena we have, animal mutilations and crop circles, frequently mentioned together, I think, for that reason.
		They're both totally inexplicable right now unless there is some sort of perhaps alien involvement or spiritual involvement that is truly beyond our understanding.
		Are they connected to an alien presence?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They're connected to an oversight, yeah.
		And what you can call, let's call it extraterrestrial.
		I really hesitate to use the word alien.
		Let's call it extraterrestrial for now, okay?
		They are indeed connected to the same agency.
		And the message is being lost in the meaning.
		By that I mean, in no uncertain terms, these elaborate, beautiful sculpted agroglyphs and these very elaborate laid-out butchered calves and cows are very noticeable.
		They're getting our attention, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly are.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, what's the meaning of those two things?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What would be the meaning of, let's say, a very elaborate crop circle to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My thinking about crop circles is that many of them I have seen, in fact, a couple being previewed tomorrow night or more examples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there is no way in hell, Ed, that they were done by human beings.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can't take it much further than that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What would it mean to the farmer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A pain in the butt.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because people would come and trample through his field.
		It's happened time and time again.
		Some farmers won't even report it because they're so sick of people trampling their fields and the crops down.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And if there were no people to come, if the farmer didn't report it, what would be the meaning to the farmer?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Smashed wheat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, an annoyance, I suppose.
		Probably not a whole lot more.
		I mean, I doubt that it decimates a large percentage of the crop it appears in.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Some of them do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Some of them take out a lot of wheat, a lot of sorghum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they mean, okay, he's going to be angry.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Because the meaning, if you strip away all the elaborate aesthetics, you have smashed crop.
unidentified		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		And the meaning to a cattle rancher or a dairyman who has lost what their prize animal is what?
		They don't care about aliens or anything else like that.
		They have just lost meat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So that's the message.
		Dead meat and dead crops.
		That's what's coming.
		It's a forecast of what's to come.
		No crops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you think it's that direct a message?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stop again and ask you, is this something you know as a result of what you have remote viewed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, dog.
		So you're saying that the meaning of crop circles, the meaning of animal mutilations, is as simple as it appears.
		The ruination, the death of crops, the trampling of crops, and the death of meat.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't put it any better myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Funny thing, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never stopped to imagine it might mean something that literal.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Either did I. I had the remote viewer.
		But it's our attention.
		Whatever is out there can't land and lay it out to us.
		For some reason, it has to use these parables.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if that's the message, then why the intricate designs?
		Why not just flatten some fields?
		I mean, then you really get the blunt message through, I suppose.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It could be equally construed as being human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they're so intricate, because they're so amazing, so many of them, the human brain naturally wants to attribute a more complicated message to them.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's what we reach out to try and do, to try and make sense of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never even for a second thought, well, it just means that crops are going to get smashed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And it's an attention-getting device, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If they keep doing the same thing all the time, look, for instance, UFO, flying saucers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If that phenomenon did not change its appearance by the same oversight, by the same agency, the controlling agency, we would just look up and not pay any attention to it anymore because the novelty would be lost.
		We fall into an ennui.
		Well known in experimental psychology.
		Novelty acts as a stimulus.
		But it morphs.
		One day it's a torpedo shape, one day pyramid shape, one day triangular, one day this, one day that, one day a chupa cover here, one day a Bigfoot there.
		The message is we're not alone.
		That's the message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the blunt message there, too, huh?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's the blunt message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are here.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And Hollywood well knows this.
		You better not do the same thing every movie.
		Make bigger, louder, more.
		Today, blow up a bus, tomorrow city, then a planet, then a galaxy, that kind of stuff.
		You've got to do something better or you'll lose your audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then we better get ready for some really big show in the skies because after all, we have the Phoenix lights and some pretty spectacular things like that, whatever they were.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I agree.
		Get ready.
		Get ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea of how it might manifest itself when it really lets go with the next spectacular or four or five times from now when it really lets go?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, because it's a real phenomenon, we can actually remote view it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We can look at the next sequences of events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But that would have to actually do it.
		I think it would be fun to do it, but it would just be fun.
		And unfortunately, I have precious little time to have fun these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it would be interesting to know that something will make an appearance over Washington or New York or something really massive or the old saucer on the White House South Lawn thing or whatever.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's so many of them, though.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I actually am more interested in the Volta Junior antenna than I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
		I mean, this is a very interesting question.
		We are being visited.
		I would like to know why.
		i'd like to understand what it is that motivates those who visit us well i I told George Nuri this when I did a show with him.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Project Starman is centered around one specific event, and that's at the Ariel School, 1996 in Zimbabwe.
		And John Mack was there to interview the school children.
		They were called out somehow into the woods to confront a typical CE3, close encounter of the third kind.
		That event is this.
		I want to gain contact with the agency that orchestrated that particular event.
		Not all of the various and sundry sightings and all those other close encounters of the second kind.
		I want those guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The organization that orchestrated the event.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I want the agency that orchestrated that because they sent a message to these children, these young school children.
		And it was, essentially, your planet is dying and we're very sad.
		And all the school companies came back and John Mack interviewed each one in very controlled conditions.
		And I got to see the original tape which didn't make it out to the public.
		That had a big effect on me.
		And so I'm concentrating on getting behind the orchestrators and the engineers of that particular event only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does the remote viewing that you've done, Ed, lead to the same catastrophic conclusion that our planet is dying?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's going to go fallow for a while.
		The garden's going to go fallow for a while.
		Yeah, that conclusion.
		And it's not going to be pretty as we go through the transition, mad max scenarios and things like that.
		But it will eventuate in something that is pretty.
		And there will be another race here to help us rebuild, which is good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you talk too much about the bright side on the other end there, wherever in the world that is, then you're going to sound like the New Agers.
unidentified		Hey, I resemble that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so i understand that somewhere it there's somewhere down the timeline it's all going to be great we're going to walk around holding hands and there will be no nations and borders and no sickness and death and disease and taxes and whatever i don't know about taxes but but but Oh, well, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hot time in the old time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe literally.
unidentified		Yeah, hot time in the old time tonight.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not pretty.
		Not pretty.
		But, you know, it's what are we?
		We focus on who we are a lot, our mind and what we think and things like that.
		But we don't know what we are.
		We press a little time on what we are.
		And if we were to address the what at that level, you can't talk about it.
		And because we can't talk about it, and we're so vocally expressive left-brained creatures, we don't really get down to the essence of what we are.
		We spend most of the time on who we are, because the what stays and the who goes.
		And we don't nurture the what.
		And if we did, then the world would change pretty much.
unidentified		Pretty much pretty fast.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's why I want to teach children, because I want them to know the limits of mind.
		Remote viewing, for instance, is a very powerful mind tool, but we're not all mind.
		There's another part of us, and you can't go there using your mind.
		And when you go there, I'm using that term very loosely, you can't transmit using words to other people what you are at that level.
		And we give short trip to it unless you're a yogi or an enlightened being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us any clue about some of those larger questions, Ed?
		I mean, who are we and what are we and why are we here?
		It seems to me remote viewing would look at these questions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we have.
		Yeah, very much so.
		The planet is a garden.
		That's why there's not going to be a massive nuclear war or a nuclear slug fest.
		It's not going to be allowed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are a garden.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We are a garden.
		And souls are being harvested from the garden.
		And that's what this place is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's so familiar.
		Somebody named John Lear told me that so many years ago, and I cringed then, and I cringe now.
		We're a garden, and the crop is souls.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there would seem to be some ongoing dispute about who's the gardener.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There may be some poker playing at another level.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking about now the concept of good and evil, God and the devil and Lucifer.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The two poker players.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		other people that's right the two poker players who's got who's holding the winning hand?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Don't know.
		It's outside of our can art.
		We really can't.
		We really can't.
		We don't have that kind of power to know that.
		We're just pawned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there is intelligence, and they're sending us messages about what we're doing to ourselves, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There is.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Our progenitors, yes, appear to be doing that.
unidentified		All right.
		We'll be right back.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tis I. Good morning, everybody.
		Major Ed Dames is here, and we're going to turn to telephones here in a moment and let you ask him questions.
		So keep it parked right where you've got it.
unidentified		So keep it parked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		The sun has raced across the continent of Europe and Africa and the Pacific Ocean, and the sun is presently coming up in eastern Canada and the state of Maine, going into the gray area just prior to dawn, probably about now in Maine.
		And Major Dames is here this morning.
		And Major, I've got an email here that I should read.
		Came in during the show.
		From Mike and Juan, I believe it is.
		Just heard the Major say that he'll see the pole shift in his lifetime.
		But not sure about you.
		What the heck does he know that you might want to know?
		And I presume the intent of this email is to suggest that perhaps my lifetime is not consistent with yours in terms of spam.
		Spam.
		Span.
		But I don't want to know that myself.
		So I'm going to leave that part of it alone and simply ask you what you know about a pole shift.
		12 degrees, you said, 300 mile-an-hour wind, you said.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We are going to be seeing how I that, first of all, I said that was a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard you laugh.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Number two, I said hypothetically, a pole shift of 12 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Which when we do, when professionals sketch this particular event, this wobble, this precess, it is a ballpark figure of 12 degrees.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's why I took 12 degrees to NOAA to further calculate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've already, in a worrisome kind of way, we've seen the pole wandering around a little bit.
		Magnetic North has taken some weird jaunts lately.
		It could be related to the sunspot activity or who knows what all, but it's done some pretty strange things of recent days.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The core of the Earth is changing.
		The core is changing.
		The core of the Earth is changing.
		And whether or not that's linked to solar activity, I'm not sure yet.
		But the core is changing.
		We keep looking at the superficial stuff, but it's actually the core of the Earth that's changing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just like Gordon Michael Scallion.
		All right, I've got some calls lined up, people who would like to ask you varying questions, so let's take the plunge.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
		Hey.
		Hello.
		First time Caller Line, are you there?
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Good to have you back, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And thank you, Major Ed Ames, for being there.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Pleasure is mine.
unidentified		I have a question for you dealing with Planet X. Have you had an opportunity to talk to that Dr. James McKinney that George Norrie talked with?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Negative.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
unidentified		All right.
		I was wondering, since he has gone into this in depth and he has presented a great deal of material, very upfront, very honest, and he is not a mouthpiece of the government.
		He's being very straightforward.
		I was wondering if there would Be any possibility in the future if you would be able to talk with him and if you could give an update further down the road on future details and information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, let me interrupt you.
		This guest, whoever it was, I'm sorry, I don't know myself, predicted or does say that Planet X is real and so forth and so on.
		Is that the upshot?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very well then all you really need to know is what Ed also says, that Planet X is a reality, right, Ed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a reality, but you wouldn't be comfortable, I take it, in saying that June 1st and then June 15th and July 14th or whatever it is, the latest date, Planet X is going to collide, and it's that close.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I would not.
		No.
		It's in our lifetime, and I would say any time between now, that's why I'm very suspect about the Mayan calendar.
		It's very intriguing.
		They appear to have been in touch with something and didn't have a lot of connecting rods and vortex generators and tax machines to worry about.
		So they had time on their hands to connect with something else.
		And I think they were connecting with this timeline that is more accurate than ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you attach significant meaning to the end of the Mayan calendar beyond the fact that they just said, well, you know, that's far enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the hell?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Or they ran out of space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm just stealing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
unidentified		Hello.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
unidentified		Talk to both of you.
unidentified		This is Evan from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CEO, Evan.
unidentified		Hey, my question is concerning the anthrax case of a while back.
		Last I heard you all but handed the guy to the FBI.
		I believe it was a faculty member at Penn State, is that correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the College of Agriculture.
unidentified		Okay.
		And it seems they've gone another direction or searching at the bottom of lakes and whatnot.
		I just wanted to get your take on that.
		And also wonder if you think that that is the man.
		I wonder if you think that that is the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the man.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All I can say at this juncture is that he was one of our own.
		He was a graduate student working for someone I knew, whose name I cannot mention, that was the last member of this country's offensive biological warfare program that was stopped in 1972.
		That's all I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you say anything about the motivation of the person who sent out this poisonous terrorism?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we actually did a profile, a study, a psychological profile of this guy.
		He was resentful of the fact that he was there's a lot to this art.
		I really don't want to go into the profile, but it's the profile of a typical disgruntled employee.
		It's sort of like going postal using another mechanism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it like the occasional bad seed fireman that sets a fire?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's that simple as well as that strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Art, this is Connor.
		I was at your Portland class.
		Oh, yes.
		I wanted to ask a question about Lucifer.
		I noticed a long time ago.
		Remember, Ed mentioning that he remote viewed Lucifer.
		And did you dismiss your former student, Aaron Donahue, because of his views on Lucifer contradicting your views on Christianity?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		He had to deal with and fix in his life and it was causing problems in the field.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		He had to deal with and fix in his life and it was causing problems in the field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The viewing of Lucifer itself, I have long maintained, Ed, and I still do now, that it affected you, that you did not come out the same Ed Dames that went into remote view Lucifer.
		I noted a change in your personality.
		I heard it.
		I felt it.
		I heard in the intonation of your voice and the way you put things and said things.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Everything was coldly, and it is cold and beautiful as ice.
		Crystalline beauty, but ice cold.
		Like it could absorb your soul if you were near it.
		It just like a vacuum cleaner right into it.
		That's the only metaphor I could use to describe this thing.
		And it's like, you know, I do not want to be around that beautiful, just beautiful, crystalline type of entity in the mind's eye.
		But that if you were near it, it would suck the soul right out from you and you'd become part of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A very cold beauty.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Crystalline beauty, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Having described that, though, again, you were affected, Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had to know that in some manner you were profoundly and perhaps permanently affected.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It created a kind of a sadness in me that I really didn't want to know there was something like that in our part of the universe.
		And an eternal type of a thing like that.
		I would have preferred a monad, just a creator and a loving universe and that kind of thing.
		I didn't want to find things like this, but very, very significant, powerful, not just an idea.
		It did have a form.
		So I know it's more than just an archetype or an idea, per se.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still haven't answered the question.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What was the question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question was about the change in you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I've never felt that amount of power before in anything that I've ever looked at, whether as a remote view or as a view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're still not answering the question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is whether there was a profound, without even having to describe it, Ed, but a profound and perhaps even permanent change in you after that viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by change?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		A change in who you are and the way you present yourself and the things you say and the way you say them and your outlook on things and a change in you.
		How else can I put it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's a helplessness, yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I feel more helpless than I've ever felt before when I think about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After being in the presence of that kind of power.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		After being in, yes, in the ideational presence of that.
		It's one of the few times in my career whereas, for instance, when I was looking at what was uppermost in your mind during the break, you didn't know at the conscious level that I was remote feeling.
		At an unconscious level, you do, but it didn't matter.
		It was such an insignificant thing.
		But this thing did.
		It knew I was looking at it.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Unimaginable.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I had tried to email you about the contrails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I just, I don't feel, I pretty much know now.
		And there was a lady that called in on the show about the ice age.
		And she said they're putting a gel and causing the drought.
		They're putting a gel in the sky and causing the drought.
		Well, yeah, it's called Dynagel, and it absorbs 2,000 times its weight and moisture, and it rains when it gets to the ocean.
		When it gets to the salt air, it causes it to rain.
		They've been Doing it for six years.
		And by putting extra weight up there, it causes tornadoes and it causes all sorts of different things.
		For instance, the jet streams change, and scientists don't know why.
		Well, duh, you can't put weight in the atmosphere like that.
		And the plane, when I flew to California, they're doing it in California too.
		And when I flew to California, I could kind of smell the motor heat up because it's going through that extra weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's boil this down and turn it around as a question for Major Dames, because it's one thing that I've asked about over a long period of time that until extremely recently the Major hasn't commented on, and that's what the chemtrails, what they are, what he knows about the chemtrails.
		That's one you've always dodged quite quickly, Major.
		Any care to comment?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Suppose we needed a global And this has been, as a tactician, this has been our problem for the last 20 years.
		Now all of a sudden a rogue state can get a hold of a missile, whether it's North Korea or whether it's the Russian mafia along with the Ukrainian military commander launching one or whatever.
		You don't know where it's coming from, so you need a global defense.
		And let's say, unfortunately, that your global defense, let's say for some reason you needed to modify the atmosphere, but that it would ensure that you could defend yourself against an attack from anywhere.
		Let's just say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's say that it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's say it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But unfortunately, you erase the last 2.5 billion years of ozone layer development.
		When you do that, you screw around with that.
		So in a matter of six to eight years' time, you're monkeying with something that took 2.5 billion years to achieve homeostasis and equilibrium.
		That's not good.
		So in the short term, you know, you accomplished your objective, but you may have done it in spite of yourself.
		That's a hypothetical situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hypothetical, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we are indeed trying to toy about with Mother Nature and try and change weather conditions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Negative.
		That's not what I'm saying.
		What I'm saying is it has nothing to do with changing or modifying the weather.
		It may be something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But is that one effect of it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but it's an artifact.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's an unfortunate consequence, an epiphenomenon of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but a pretty significant one, since we've sit down on the planet here on very small margins, you know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll be like, you know, treating a patient with chemotherapy or radiation therapy.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It has some side effects, hair fallout, lethargy, that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		They said that the cure may be worse than the disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		I think I know how he could remote view to give him his little window before the nuclear bomb goes off.
		And it's this.
		If he remote views the price of gold, no, just for what, because they're doing it with silver now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I chuckled, but I mean, it's really quite a good idea.
unidentified		Okay, you start at $350 like it is today, and you say, okay, will the price of gold be above or below $400 or above $400, say, by July 15th?
		Yeah, it's a great indicator.
		You can't do that, that you can go up or down.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or what if you were to look and see the price of gold at $12 or $13 or you're just going 15 days out?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we cannot.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Alphanumerics and calendrical time are abstracts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The price, for instance, is what am I saying, 12, or 30?
		$1, $1,200, $1,300, $1,400.
		Ed, do you have a radio on in the background?
		Or somebody did.
		All right.
		Well, anyway.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The idea of price is a totally abstract thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why, in the case of gold, though, Ed, if there is a disaster, if something awful happens, a price of gold is going to go right up through the roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It always happens, always.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		But what I'm saying is we can describe, as remote viewers, events that deal with physical things and emotions.
		But the idea of price has no meaning in the collective unconscious.
		It's totally an abstract idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The idea of money is abstract.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that abstract?
		I mean, what does that mean?
		If the idea of money is abstract 20 years from now, then that means there's not the same world at all that we have now.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's not what I mean, the idea of, let's say, calendrical time, Tuesday.
		What does Tuesday mean?
		What does $15 mean?
		It's a construct.
		And all that it means is itself.
		It's a tautology.
		There's no way to describe Tuesday for a remote viewer as opposed to the source or the origin of the voltage build up on your antenna, which is a physical thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no matter how you might look, you would not be able to gauge, say, what the price of gold is going to be at any particular moment in the future that you might look at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we can gauge its ups and downs in the future and the concatenation of ups and downs, but only in terms of physical phenomenon or emotional phenomenon.
		And physical is much better for technical reasons.
		The price is meaningless to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaningless.
		So this world in which you go fishing for information will not give you information on that sort of thing, which you say is utterly meaningless in that realm.
		Abstract.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		We have to go after physical phenomena and physical things, tangible things.
		We can describe physical things using abstract words, whatever we have in our lexicon or a thesaurus in our memory, but we can't do it the other way around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you look at the near future and see if point sir is still where it's supposed to be above water?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we can do things like that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We can look at near term or qualifier search terms somewhat with a temporal qualifier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, show's ending.
		So you're going to be in a few cities coming up.
		And what's the phone number again for information?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Our workshops are toll-free 1-8-6607-8439.
		Or go to remoteviewing2003.com.
		Tell your kids, readyourparentsmind.com and readyourteachersmind.com.
		Watch those sites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder who picked the title of that one.
		ReadYourTeachersMind.com.
		All right, Ed.
		It's been a pleasure, as always.
		And when I'm back next, well, who knows?
		We'll talk to you again for sure.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, stop by this weekend if you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Later, Ed.
		See you tomorrow night with Mr. Hutchinson and Linda Moulton Howe.
		It'll be quite a night.
		Till then, from the High Desert.

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