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June 26, 2003 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Remote Viewing - Ed Dames
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🎵 Music 🎵 From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the time may be, wherever you are across this great globe of ours, covered entirely by this program.
And millions and millions of listeners, thank you, George, for the opportunity to get back in the seat.
Of course, Premier Radio Networks, giving you a quick update on a few things that I know some of you out there follow.
My back is not at its best right now.
It's supporting me about half the way, you know?
So I'm in and out of that always.
Ramona, my beautiful wife.
Our four furry troublemakers are all just spiffy.
And everything around the bell home is well indeed.
It's going to be a very interesting program tonight.
Stan Dale is coming up in a few moments and his wife Holly called me earlier tonight with a bit of a hair raising A statement about a conversation she'd had earlier in the day, and I guess Stan has had as well.
He'll tell you all about it in a second.
A couple of other items.
My gigantic antenna design is a total success, unless you count the anomalous conditions present on it, and the 400 AC-DC volts, kind of a combination of AC and DC, and we're still looking at all of that.
But in terms of a radiator, it is a gigantic success.
Now, I did have one other giant project since I last talked to you.
As you know, I have two 1,000-foot loops way up there in the air for my ham... Oh, speaking of ham radio, I was on there a few minutes prior to broadcast.
Down in Los Angeles, they were listening.
And when I go on ham radio with a kilowatt, why, it affects the audio that goes down to L.A.
So they were hearing... And they called me up twice.
You know, what is that?
What is that?
What are you doing?
No problem.
Just a little...
Anomalous RF getting into the system.
Anyway, I was talking to some ham buddies before I got on here tonight, and they said, gee, here you are talking to a few of us right now in a few minutes, you're going to be talking to millions of people.
And I thought, you know, actually, there's not a hell of a lot of difference, to be honest with you.
It's just a microphone.
And you never think of the people on the other side.
You just think it's a microphone, whether it's, you know, two or three people on the other side or lots of you out there.
Anyway, my antenna design, back to that very quickly, two thousand foot loops, seven feet apart, and after we last spoke, last time I was here, I installed a grounding system which consists of a four foot wide welded metal mesh, which I put immediately beneath the antenna, all the way around, one inch under the ground, And then I grounded it to my water well, which goes down 160 feet into Zooludder.
I grounded it to my tower, to all kinds of things.
So that now runs under the antenna, and I'm building this monster.
But boy, does it work.
Incidentally, I am not dead, for those of you who have seen the website.
It seems as though Nancy Leder's website ran a story.
Or more likely an email from somebody purporting to be an Associated Press story, which it was not totally bogus, which reported I had died on June 19th.
Well, many members of the press and others called me.
In fact, my local paper here in town ran the story, which I think is on the Coast to Coast AM website right now, that I died.
They ran that story.
Actually, they ran the story of having called me at home And I guess I got Ramona, who sounded, they said, cheerful!
This is a riot.
And Ramona put me through to the reporter right away.
He said, you didn't die, did you?
I said, no, and if I do, I'll call you first.
And so I'm not dead.
How that item got up there, I haven't the slightest idea.
But now that I'm here on commercial radio, please, Uh, Ms.
Leader, take it off.
I'm obviously not dead.
And also, by the way, obviously Planet X didn't wipe us all out either, so yo to the rest of you alive out there.
All right, news of the day.
Not much of it.
Uh, what gay men and women do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business, not the Gov's.
Supreme Court said Thursday in a historic civil rights ruling striking down bans on what some states have called deviant sexual acts.
Strom Thurmond dead at 100.
Wow, I thought he was never going to die.
It seemed like Strom had, I don't know, almost eternal youth.
He certainly had energy and I'm certainly sorry to see him go.
Strom Thurmond dead at 100 years of age.
Had just celebrated his 100th birthday.
Authorities arrested one of the alleged Al-Qaeda masterminds in last month's terrorist bombings in Riyadh, in a major blow to Osama Bin Laden's terrorist organization, in the conservative desert kingdom of his birth.
So they've got another one.
Oh, by the way, Baghdad Bob.
Remember Baghdad Bob?
During the war, Iraq's former information minister, who gained notoriety during the war for Wildly, implausible claims of victory, to put it mildly, went on Arab TV on Thursday, and get this, folks, stood by his statements, saying they came from, quote, many authentic sources, end quote.
Mohammed Saeed al-Sharif has denied, did deny, that U.S.
tanks were in Baghdad, even as TV pictures showed them to be right there in the capital.
In fact, in shouting distance.
He would say, quote, there is no presence of American infidels in the city of Baghdad.
Al-Shahaf asserted outside the Palestine Hotel on April 7th, Baghdad fell April 9th.
In his first appearance since the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime, an interview with an Arab satellite television network, he did not directly back down at all from some of his false claims during the war.
Asked where he got the information, he said, from authentic sources.
Many authentic sources.
And he said, and these also will be dealt with by history.
I don't know what to tell you about that.
He's still hanging in there.
You know, I'm sure he's going to end up showing up on some talk show.
He would be a riot to interview.
An absolute riot.
Speaks, obviously, pretty good English.
You just know Letterman's gonna have to try to get him on somebody.
The head of the Brazilian Space Agency said his country is poised to grab a third of the world's fast-growing market for commercial satellites.
Launching them, thanks to a proposed tripling of spending on their space program.
They haven't had a lot of luck yet.
Most of what they've sent up has come down, tragically.
But now they are ready to begin launching satellites, they say, commercially.
Cloud-to-Earth lightning bolts.
I got this from unknowncountry.com, that's Whitley's website.
Cloud-to-Earth lightning bolts are a well-known natural occurrence.
Now, scientists have discovered, and photographed for the very first time, enormous 90-kilometer-high luminous electric discharges that deliver large quantities of current from thunderstorms to the edge of the Earth's atmosphere.
These are not the regular sprites you've heard about.
The flashes described in a letter published in the current issue of the journal Nature is believed to be a type of phenomena known by atmospheric physicists as, quote, transient luminous events, end quote.
The other transient luminous events known as sprites and blue jets have been the subject of intense studies since the first one was photographed accidentally about 14 years ago.
Nothing quite so large has been observed before.
These really are monstrous.
And you can see photographs of them.
They're incredible.
And, you know, that's one thing about this antenna of mine and the anomalous nature of it, with all of that voltage on it.
There is a tremendous difference between the atmosphere and the Earth in terms of potential.
Just a tremendous difference.
And when you're talking about the upper atmosphere and the Earth, you get, obviously, a very large difference.
And they're seeing discharges, I believe, of that sort of thing.
A very, very interesting story developing from Channel 8 in Las Vegas.
Apparently an investigator's home, Area 51 Investigator's Home, has been raided by the FBI.
Now, he had gone, this is up near Rachel, Nevada, not very far from where I am, and this man has been sort of, Chuck Clark is his name, has been Demonstrating to the Channel 8 Eye Team in Las Vegas where Area 51 has been actually they've been going outside of their own area planting these detectors and Chuck took the Eye Team out there and dug a few up I guess and showed them you know to them and somebody somewhere didn't much like that so they they took a real good look at Chuck's home and that's an ongoing story right now as well.
All right In a moment, Stan Dale and he's got some pretty shocking stuff for you.
stay right where you are.
You know, mention of the war, Baghdad-Bab, reminds me to say once again that prior to
the war...
A good deal prior to it, during it, and after it, I've said to you that I don't know why we fought it.
And I still don't.
I don't have the faintest idea.
Our men and women did a certainly outrageously good job, although they've suffered a lot of recent casualties, for a goal that I'm not clear about.
Still no weapons or mass destruction.
Now, maybe they're there.
They may be there, but none of us have seen any yet.
Earlier today, the man who investigated the mobile labs that they've been looking at said, yes, he was under a lot of pressure to declare them as tools of mass destruction, but doesn't, you know, so that certainly did not affect his final report.
Nevertheless, the big ones, they haven't been found yet.
All right, Stan Dale.
Actually, Stan and Holly, because Holly is the first one who called today.
Stan, though, has been a frequent guest on this program since 95 or so, as a beautiful wife and webmaster.
Holly?
Five children, eight grandchildren, and was born in Clifton, Texas, near Valley Mills, about seven miles from the President's Ranch at Crawford.
Holds both American and Australian citizenships, has lived in Australia for 30 years.
As a matter of fact, I interviewed him from Australia most times.
But Stan and Holly returned home to Colorado last year, where he was once a cadet at the USAF Academy in Colorado, has held secret and above-top-secret security clearances, in 71 was recruited by Dr. Edward Teller's group to work on an ultra-secret aerospace propulsion project to develop anti-gravity Reed Flying Saucers here for a multinational organization who then sent him to their operation in Australia.
In 84, while he was still in Australia, Stan did a joint lecture tour with John Schuessler, currently director of MUFON, in an attempt to reveal what they knew about alien presence here on Earth.
They were prevented from revealing quite a bit.
Isn't that interesting?
By the people John worked for at the time, you see, at that time, John, who is currently retired from the space program, was the project director at McDonnell Douglas for space shuttle flight operations at the NASA Center in Houston.
Hmm.
He is the author of two books, The Cosmic Conspiracy and The Vindicator Scrolls, which are now sold in over 22 countries.
Stan's Cosmic Conspiracy book has been translated into French, German, Greek, And has sold over 200,000 copies here.
From Colorado is Stan Dale.
Stan, welcome to the program.
Wow, it's the first time I can say that I've talked to a ghost.
A ghost, yes.
Here I am.
The reports of my death and all that baloney.
I had the same thing after I was down in Australia.
We got a call one day from the New Zealand police, which is, of course, across the pond from us a bit.
They called and wanted to talk to me, and I said, well, OK, this is me.
And he says, well, can you prove that you're alive?
And I said, well, I'll give you my driver's license number here in Australia or something.
And somebody had gotten the same kind of thing on the email.
And so they called their local police to check up and see if it was true.
That was about, like, the third or fourth time around for me, Stan.
So I'm almost used to it.
If you can get used to your death being reported, I'm almost used to it.
Let's get to what's happening.
Stan, Holly called me.
And kind of freaked me out earlier today.
Yeah, it was quite a shock to us, too, because we're not in a big city here.
We're about 15 miles out of Pueblo, which only has 100,000 people in it.
And Holly's been working to finish the new book here that we hope will be out on CD and printed copy in a couple of months.
But anyway, she needed to research something at the bookstore downtown, so we went driving down there.
And the bookstore has one of the bigger chains, and it had A section in meteorology, which is what she was looking for was a wind map.
Told me she was looking for wind maps, yes.
And strangely, wind maps don't exist anymore.
And they've all been pulled from libraries and other... Is that really true?
Well, I haven't been able to check all the libraries, but this is what this strange individual told us.
The wind maps are gone.
And now, I told Holly at the time, when we talked earlier today, that I thought probably had to do with the current I think so.
and obviously somebody had a book on wind patterns they'd be able to determine
you know what was a good point to release biological chemical agents and
get the most bang for the buck and I assumed that's why they might have been
pulled. I think so I know that during Gulf War one down in Australia I was I've
just been getting information for the second book I wrote the Vindicator
Scrolls and I was at the library there at the University and there were no maps
of the Persian Gulf region that were like better than one to a hundred thousand or
something.
I managed to get one of the librarians there who kept a private stash of maps in the back to give me a copy that I could photocopy in color that was at the right resolution of that area down to the wells.
And I asked him why he did that, and he said, because two men in suits had come out from America collecting all the maps that were of a certain resolution, or below, before people could access them on the Middle East.
And so I guess the guy didn't have any reason to lie to me about it, and so I assume the same thing is probably happening here because of the reason you stated.
But Holly, anyway, she was going in to look for this wind maps in the library.
I think maybe there was an old book published or something.
We contacted a few people on the internet that we know in professional places in the government, and those maps are not available.
They just don't make them anymore.
Strangely enough, they wouldn't admit to anything other than that.
So Holly went up to the desk in this bookstore to get one of the chaps there to help us, and he came back over.
You know, she started asking about, look, I need a book here that has something to do with wind roses, you know?
And he didn't blink an eye.
And she said, well, look, you probably don't know what a wind rose is.
It's one of those little dots over a city that has arrows going out to show the prevailing wind at certain times of day.
You know, I know what you're talking about.
I know.
He says, no, he's not going to find much here at all, because all the books, you know, the maps and stuff of that caliber have been taken off the shelves and recalled across the country.
And then walked off.
Well, then terrorism is but one possible example.
I'll go out on a limb and speculate on another.
The weather's going totally berserk, Stan.
I mean, totally berserk.
We've had the most violent season of weather in this spring that we've had in all of recorded human history.
I mean, they're having melon-sized hail in Nebraska.
They're having 60 tornadoes out of one or two storms.
It's just unbelievable what's going on in the Midwest.
It is, and I think you probably noticed that the sunspot activity, well, the solar emission activity... Also going nuts.
Oh, like 10 to 20 times greater than normal.
Yes, it affects short waves.
So I watch it on a daily basis, and we have been in storm for just an unrelenting period of time.
I mean, the sun is just really going berserk, yes.
And the planet's been heating up.
I think we're at 0.2 or two-tenths of a degree average Celsius across the planet, hotter than we were Oh, about 30 or 40 years ago.
So one could perhaps guess or just speculate that there is a massive change underway, and perhaps somebody doesn't want somebody studying that with the aid of wind maps.
Just a thought, that's all.
You're right.
When we get into what this guy told us, you'll hear a lot of that.
He turned out to be a rather interesting individual.
He'd retired from Army Intelligence.
Well, we'll get to all that in a moment after the break.
You know, this message that you sent me from the Director of FEMA, that's right, isn't it?
Yeah.
FEMA's Director, was asked a question about what do you see as the biggest challenge facing FEMA in 2000 and beyond, and he laid it out.
The weather.
Severe storms.
Droughts.
All over the next ten years.
Extreme weather.
And he wonders if FEMA can keep up with it in hopes that they just keep doing what they're doing and do it better, that they're going to be able to keep up with it.
But I mean, inherent in his answer was a gigantic warning, if you read it.
Yep, almost certainly.
I'll tell you, that book that you guys put together, The Global Superstorm, is probably going to become fact very shortly at this rate.
I would have put it a little differently.
I'd say that it's actually well underway.
Right now, Stan, it's well underway.
It's certainly laying the groundwork for it.
No question about that.
Yeah, it's well underway.
I mean, permanent, at least for me, nothing's permanent.
But I mean, as far as humans are concerned, you know, we come and go in a blink of an eye.
Mortality is what it is.
And we're here for a relatively short period of time.
And so really, from our point of view, it's a permanent change.
Yes, even the Hopi have been warning about the sun causing great damage here.
That's right.
That's right.
All right, all right.
We're obviously up to a break point here, so hold on, Stan.
We'll be right back.
And what this man in the bookstore had to say beyond the wind chart thing is extremely worrisome.
It's one of those scary kind of things, so get ready.
That's what's coming next.
Stan, Stan Dale is my guest.
A little later, Major Ed Dames from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas Everybody's looking for something
Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to get used by you
Be it sight, sound, smell or touch There's something inside that we need so much
The sight of a touch or the scent of a sand Or the strength of an oak when it loops deep in the ground
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up Through tarmac to the sun again
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing?
They grab all these things in our memories, Horne, and they use them to come to us.
To come to us!
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It's nice to be special. Hey, how's everybody doing tonight, huh? It's actually a great
It's going to be an interesting night.
Stan Dale with a lot to say, following Stan tonight in the next hour.
Major Ed Dames, affectionately known as Dr. Doom, with a whole lot for you.
That's kind of the shape of the night.
But what's immediately ahead with Stan is some pretty wild stuff.
Just wait until you hear what he was told.
Coming up next.
All right, Stan, let's rock.
You're talking with this fellow in a bookstore, and no more windmaps, but then he begins to spill the beans on a number of things.
Now, maybe we should know, beyond being in the store, I mean, who is this guy?
What's his background?
Why should we believe a word he says?
Well, we asked the same questions after we got out of the place.
It was surely a random meeting.
There was no question about it being anything other than that.
He was well-spoken, nicely dressed, an older man, and there was even a little pin on his lapel that was off of the Kitty Hawk.
That's not Army, that's Navy, obviously.
Holly said he claimed a secret background of some sort.
Well, yeah.
A number of the things that he told me and told us, I knew myself, were not widely known, and so I suppose I have to say, it's possible, because what he says fits in with what a lot of people have been on your program talking about the future for the United States have been saying.
All right.
All of that said, then, what did he say?
Well, Holly asked him, you know, oh, how do you know about the Wind Roses and stuff?
And he says, oh, we saw them in our research and information gathering.
And she says, who's that?
And he said, he got a little bit kind of lower voice.
And he said, I used to work in Army Intelligence.
In fact, I was working for Sturman Norman in the Gulf War I. So I thought, oh yeah.
Anyway, he says we were running scenarios of war games here on American soil for future conflicts here on our soil.
And something that we saw, and I won't explain any further than that he said, told us that we needed to withdraw all the windmaps for the major cities of the United States.
And we said, oh, you mean like for biological warfare and stuff and nukes?
And he said, no, for another reason.
And we couldn't get that out of him.
And he said, we studied things like tsunamis and coastal subsidence, sudden subsidence due to earthquake activity.
And he said, you'll notice that we have signs put up all along the West Coast saying this is a tsunami flood area caution.
And so when we give the warning that people won't go into those areas.
You know, I haven't seen those.
On the other hand, I don't spend a lot of time at the coast, but a lot of our listeners say along the California, Oregon, Washington coast, you're saying they should be on the lookout that they would see some signs.
What do they look like?
Do you know?
Just a second.
Did they tell us what those signs look like, Holly?
You know those signs along California?
How do the signs look, what did she say?
Small, probably 6 to 7 inches wide, about 3 or 4 inches tall.
They're not big signs, if you get my drift.
But he said, look, we ran a scenario on the death toll and damage to the United States should the tsunami activity become as great as we think it will.
Our best scenario showed only 100,000 people died in California.
That was the best he said.
And the worst was that, well, we would lose 75% or so of the population.
On the West Coast.
Instead of Sacramento, we're going to call it Lake Sacramento, because there's only 16 inches of rubble separating it from the sea.
So he's talking about an earthquake.
He certainly is.
And a tsunami to follow.
And volcanoes.
He ran the whole gamut of stuff like that.
Of course, the beginning of violent earth changes.
That's what he was talking about.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Did he give any time frame?
That's funny.
Holly's asking.
She's subtle.
She says, well, okay, when's it going to happen?
When's it going to start?
So then he changed the subject and went to telling us some other stuff.
And she waited a couple of minutes and she came back and said, yeah, I know, but you didn't answer the question.
I said, when?
And this went on until the third time.
Finally, he said, actually, from right now until the year 2020, we're a threat from all these things.
It could happen tomorrow.
Or sometime between now and then.
Holly would make a good talk show host if we had to keep battering away.
She does.
So from right now, beginning right now, through 2020?
Yep.
17 years or so.
The next 17 years.
And this guy, he was a Bright Fellow.
He's apparently at university.
He and his young compadres were put into a think tank.
What they came up with for the future of the United States involved that we'd be in a major Middle East war by the end of the century.
Of course, we're there now, or have been anyway.
It's not over yet.
And then they predicted other things for the United States, including a breakout of anarchy due to a number of factors that are primarily driven by geological factors.
And I said, well, you're talking like a survivalist.
He said, well, we're prepared at our house.
We've got the food and water and everything else put away for six months, no less than six months.
He said, FEMA's saying two or three days, forget it.
They're just trying to soft pedal it.
You need at least six months because FEMA's not going to be able to get to you for under six months when this stuff hits.
There won't be government help, so you're going to have to help yourself.
I said, oh well, store it away for your neighbors so they have something to eat too.
And he said, no, I'm storing extra bullets.
Anyway, you know, look, here where I live, you know, I'm kind of out in the country, and your first line of protection is yourself.
And so if you don't have guns, if you don't have your own protection, then the only person you're kidding is yourself.
Because, you know, police are 20 minutes away.
You know, they're far enough away so that if something really happened, they arrive in time to draw your outline in chalk on the floor.
Yeah.
Otherwise you protect yourself.
So I'm a big believer in that.
A lot of people stocked up for Y2K.
They should keep those things usable and handy because any number of things could happen.
But this sounds pretty serious.
He really hit you with enough information that you know from other sources that you give him a pretty high credibility?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I don't know whether we'll get to talk to him again or not.
We kind of left the door open for him to come back, but look, we got into things, just extraordinary things.
There's not enough time to talk about today, but things like they know about the ancient alien presence on the planet and the current alien presences, the different races.
Really?
He was telling me about the Stargate that wasn't really to other stars, but to parallel dimensions that they had back in the old days, you know, the Sumerian gods days, that kind of stuff.
I mean, things that, you know, you and I, Linda Moulton and a few of us, we know about this kind of stuff.
Well, we know about it theoretically.
I could not direct you to the nearest Stargate.
We know about it theoretically.
I've seen a stone carving of what we think is the Stargate.
It was around 640 B.C., 600 B.C., something like that.
I'd have to look at my notes.
It was a stone carving made in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, and it showed the Tower of Babel.
And there's enough left on the stone.
We enhanced the photos to look at it.
You can see a circular glowing ring on top of it, and then a smaller ringer globe in the center of it, and it had long steps where the gods walked out of the ring and down to the ground, and that was the Tower of Babel.
Now, that was the oldest contemporary drawing or illustration of the tower we could find, but, you know, I looked at that a long time, and I understand, from my own research, the kind of equipment that we would probably have to build
would be toroidal coils and pulse them with a lot of energy and build up a field that we could
walk through to the parallel like the parallel universe which is like shells of energy
around the Earth.
And you really think something of that sort could be used to construct a virtual stargate?
Well, as I say, not to other star systems, but right here in our local area,
but to a higher energy density like, I think the esoteric call it planes of existence,
But what Einstein called it was concentric shells of existence.
They share the same space, but at different frequencies, so our matter passes between each other.
Right.
The breathing and exhaling of it, you know, inhaling and exhaling of the planet, if you wish that, growing and condensing.
And that's fairly hard to explain.
Do you have any conceptual idea in your mind of what One might step through two on the other side if one really could pass through one of these gates.
Yep.
From the other old records that we have been able to help translate, we're seeing that, in fact you can see it in a lot of Hebrew writings, that whenever a god-like being or angel or whatever came through, they came through on high places usually, and there was fire and boiling clouds around them, like the density of the energy on their molecules, where they come from, It's so much greater than ours.
It's just their very atoms of their body and the air around them burn our air when they come in until they either normalize to our energy density or because there's a shield around them or something.
I mean, if we were to walk through on the other side, we arrive with icicles or what?
Well, I think we might walk into an oven.
I wouldn't want to walk in just like that.
I mean, I probably wouldn't like to do in the TV series and send a probe through first and see if I can get anything back.
Absolutely.
And if you go down a layer, an energy level underneath us, it might be where Well, you know, that's funny.
I was about to ask you if you think this is the equivalent of what we loosely call heaven and hell.
Yeah, except I'd say there's probably at least seven layers of existences, and we're probably on number six with seven beneath us and five above us.
You think we're that close to heaven, do you?
There's five above us.
That's a lot.
Oh, five above us.
I'm sorry, I thought there was just one above us.
I was going to say, it doesn't feel that close, you know.
Look, it's exciting stuff.
And this guy was telling us things about the South Pole and the satellite photography they have over the South Pole, where they have large circular ring structures that are now showing as the pole cap is melting.
And some of the advanced technology is found in digging in the ice there.
Indeed, it is melting.
I saw a military report that indicated there's going to be a new ocean up there, and they need to learn how to navigate.
Yep.
A lot of strange things are going on.
There was another story about the caps on Mars melting.
That one got me, because I thought, you know, gee, if they're melting over there on Mars, then what about us?
Third rock from the sun, right?
Well, not only are the caps melting, but the sea is rising.
And the reports show that we'll either get 20 feet Or maybe 120 to 200 feet, depending on which expert you read.
But our sea level is going to rise and just a foot or two is going to make damage all along the coastal area.
And there are maps on the internet from the USGS and a few other folks showing Which coastlines are in danger from subsidence or from the tsunamis from the ocean?
Ocean rising up and being very stormy.
And the other worrisome thing for me has always been that those who claim to see, whether it's by remote viewing or it's by psychic sense like Gordon Michael Scullion or people of that caliber, while they differ to some degree in what they say, they really kind of agree on More or less, what you're saying right now is being our rather immediate future.
Yes, even the Hopi that came up.
Oh, yes.
When Ali and I went down there, they told us some of the things they don't tell the outside world because of something strange that happened there between us.
But anyway, they took us to the edge of a cliff on Second Mesa and said, look down and see First Mesa and Third Mesa, where the other parts of the Hopi Nation live.
It was several thousand feet down.
And I looked down there.
I said, yeah.
desert uh... yeah right and he said we will go between these places by canoe
now that's in north uh... west
northeast i guess uh...
arizona i too actually had the honor to do a program with hope the
elders i think you may recall that one in which uh... there had be translation
going on during about the whole program
they echoed just many of the same things stand up uh... and
And I asked them, I said, well, why are you coming on the Army?
This is not normally something you discuss with any kind of press at all, much less come on a live radio program.
And their answer was, because there's not enough time.
Yeah, well, I'd believe that.
I really would believe that.
The Hopi elders told us down there that my visit there, one of the young chiefs, My son's wife had seen my face several weeks before we got there, and we weren't invited until we actually got into Arizona.
We didn't even know where we were going.
They said that I was the fifth of eight messengers that they would get before the fifth world would begin and the fourth world would die, before Phoenix becomes a seaport, obviously.
The thing that they were trying to impress upon us was that the next three messengers were going to come quickly.
Because all the other signs that they were looking for with the power lines that were like spider webs going across the Hopi nation and various other things were happening.
And the good part about it, if there is such a thing, is they said there's going to be tremendous civil war in the United States.
That was a good part?
Well, after Civil War, the survivors are going to come and meet with the Hopi and with the Navajo.
And they will form a new tribe.
There will be a lot of friction as they form and get direction, but they will then move up just beyond the Four Corners, probably up here in Colorado where we are, is what it indicated.
And we found a valley over here, a sacred valley called Beulah Valley, and the old Indian Trail goes all the way down to Four Corners.
There's arrowheads and stuff laying up there to this day.
Is Four Corners going to be part of the ocean, or still Four Corners?
I don't know.
It's got to be close.
You'd think so.
You'd think so.
This guy, and I hope he's saying none of them had anything really enjoyable as far as the United States staying intact, but there will be survivors and there will be a new nation and it will center somewhere here in Colorado, apparently, where they rebuild.
Even, Stan, the New Age types that I've interviewed over the years, they talk about the wonderful, joyous, hand-in-hand Peaceful future that humanity will have.
And they dwell on that, of course.
And then, if you pin them down, and you say, but yes, but what happens before that?
They say, well, you know, yes, many will die.
Well, how many are you talking about?
Well, millions and millions.
Yeah, hundreds of millions.
Hundreds of millions, even.
Or even most of the present population will expire before this period comes.
I don't know, just too many people saying the same sort of thing to ignore it.
Well, I agree.
As I say, this guy coming up to us in a store just cold like that and then starting to unfold all the stuff before us.
This can't happen.
This is a sleepy little town here in Southern Colorado.
You don't meet guys like this.
Stan, assuming that all of this is correct, and just for the sake of conversation, that our government became aware of this coming catastrophic worldwide event, what do you think a government, the most powerful government on the face of the globe, ours, the U.S.
government, would do?
Would they issue warnings, Stan?
I think they will at a certain point.
They've already, apparently, a lot of the things we think are prison camps, they say, are going to be survival camp that they're going to have
the pentagon to protect the people from
other leaders or whatever coming but they they say that uh...
the uh... the government uh... they've been maintained the government will stay here
and not go to europe
and uh... that the proper government left it to to govern like that but
uh... i've heard a lot of reports and uh... what his own people call concentration camps and reports of
pilots have seen them from the air and frankly i thought it was a bunch of ultra
right wing claptrap Me too.
But, you know, there must be something out there.
Where there's smoke, there's a little bit of fire.
Yes, there might be something out there that we're not generally aware of.
Well, I tend to believe that these centers are being set up to help folks.
I mean, look, when this kind of a catastrophe hits, We're going to have wild animals roaming in bands to eat, and wild dog packs, and bears.
I mean, we've already got them coming down from the hills here because of the weather as it is now.
So, I'm not convinced that our government is trying to do a nasty on us.
I just can't see the value in it.
Well, on the other hand, though, their rationale might be, if something like this was going to happen again, just for the sake of conversation, there would be no point in In essence, warning people, because the amount of panic and then death that would result because of that panic simply wouldn't be worth it.
It simply wouldn't be worth it, because essentially, where are you going to run?
I don't know.
To these camps, I guess.
But they weren't planning on a lot of survivors from what he said.
And if that asteroid... Oh, that's another story over on the East Coast.
What asteroid?
Oh, yeah.
From a number of other people who are having dreams and visions, from across the spectrum, we get quite a bit of this.
And I asked him about what we had heard, and he would neither confirm nor deny.
I said, well, would they officially tell us?
And he says, well, I'm not sure.
And apparently from all the data that's been collected, it's going to hit in the North Atlantic and make a tsunami all the way up into the Appalachians, about 1,200 feet altitude above sea level, and wipe the whole East Coast.
If you look at the USGS maps, the zones they've marked are right where they talked about this splash occurring.
All right, brother.
Listen, we're out of time.
I really appreciate you coming on and telling everybody about this, including me tonight.
Hey, no problem.
Tell Ed I said hi.
And you stay in touch with this program.
If you get more on this, we want it right away.
Me or whoever's here, all right?
You bet.
You have a good night.
You too.
Bye-bye now.
Stan Dale.
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Easily the most loved and hated guest that I've ever had on the air.
Major Ed Bain.
Major Ed Dames, a retired military officer, was a remote viewing instructor for the U.S.
Armed Services.
I've seen his entire military record and I can tell you right now he did exactly what he said he did for exactly whom he said he did it for.
He instructed in our government's now admitted remote viewing program that's what he did our government spent twenty million dollars on remote viewing over many many years actually decades I guess and though in the end they denied that it was effective they sure spent a lot of money and an awful lot of time investigating something they eventually concluded was not effective there were however
Endless examples of why it was indeed effective and the end of it was mostly political.
So coming up in a moment, if you'll stay right where you are, we call him affectionately Dr. Doom.
He acquired that earlier in his career, not certainly from me, Major Ed Dame.
Stay right where you are.
Loved and hated, that's the mark of an effective person.
Actually, the world's foremost remote-viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, major U.S.
Army, retired, is a decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S.
Army prototype remote-viewing training program.
He served as the training and operations officer The Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit currently serves as executive director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group.
Ed is a technical consultant for the feature film Suspect Zero.
I don't know if you knew that.
A Tom Cruise, Paula Wagner production.
And he plays the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie as well.
Shouldn't be a hard role for him, really, Ed.
Welcome back to the program.
It is so nice to hear you grace the airwaves with your sonorant, if not mellifluous voice.
Thank you.
All right, Ed.
Lots of biz, but before we get underway, for those who might be tuning in cold tonight without going into a giant description of what it is, there will be a few who don't know.
So what is remote viewing?
Remote viewing is mind control.
You control your own mind.
I teach you how to do that.
That's an interesting way to put it.
Systematic ESP.
Your own mind, though.
Purpose being?
The purpose being is to collect information.
What we teach is an information collection skill.
We turn the innate, intuitive, psychic ability that you're born with into a skill to collect information accurately because out of sight does not equal out of mind.
You can turn your mind to anything.
Your brain is not the same as your mind.
Your brain allows you to be conscious and aware, but it's securely connected, in most cases, to your body.
And mind is everywhere, connected to everything at the dimensional level, where things exist as ideas and patterns of information.
So the brain is an oscillator.
It can tune in any mind signal.
So a global, in fact a cosmic consciousness, a consciousness that is Connected entirely, is that a way to put it?
I'd rather use, yes, but I'd rather use the word mind in place of consciousness.
Okay.
Well, I guess it's semantics anyway.
But in other words, a consciousness that is a... Is consciousness, Ed, a power?
No.
No, it is not a power.
No, it's just think of it as a field, Art, a mind field.
It's just a field like electromagnetic field.
It's out there.
You can evaluate yourself a bit if you want.
Are you really sure about that, Ed?
In other words, I understand that you use this field, O Dreams, we'll call it, to collect information, or as a conduit to collect information, or as a library to draw it from, or whatever.
But really, you haven't explored the nature of it beyond that fairly specific purpose, have you?
No, it gives me a headache to think about it.
I'm a technician.
I'm not a theoretician.
We'll leave that to the academicians to do.
But we have to have working hypotheses down here where the rubber meets the road.
I've been teaching and doing this for 20 years.
You can't teach it without having a working hypothesis and a model.
And the model works very, very well indeed.
Lately, we used the term knowledge mining, we see that a lot.
And remote viewing in many ways is the opposite of data mining the internet.
Remote viewing gives you access to direct knowledge.
New patterns of information, new knowledge, where data mining seeks to screen through tons of data
looking for new knowledge, new patterns.
So we do it the opposite way.
I want to read you something, Ed, so that we can get it out of the way and hit you with it
right here at the very beginning.
All right?
Fire away.
Here it comes.
It's an email, and it will echo what many said and requested that I ask, Ed, and so let's do it.
It says, hi, Art.
I see that you are having Major Ed Daines on tonight.
Last time he was on with George, he said, in quotes here, when we start the war against Iraq, North Korea will go into South Korea, and it will be a trick.
They want the U.S.
to push them back, whereas they will set off a nuke that is already in place in an underground tunnel.
As you see, as yet, this has not happened.
Would you please ask Ed about this?
It sort of made me angry when he says this and nothing happened.
What does he have to say about this, Ed?
That was my opinion as a strategist, Art, not as a remote viewer.
Did you make that clear in the interview?
No, I didn't, and not clear enough.
If you would go back and listen to the interview, you could see that that's me talking as a strategist.
This is what I would do with those, and apparently this is on the board for North Korea.
Well, I mean, you've said that for years, that North Korea would be the first, I believe, to use a nuke in anger.
That's what that stands, and they're going to use one.
They're going to use one of those nukes.
They have two.
They have two mounted on warheads, which is additional information.
And as of four months ago, I did not think that they were mounted, but they are actually on missiles.
All right.
Well, so then to reiterate what you said, you're now saying you said as your opinion, not as something you had remote viewed, I would have to go back and review the program because I did not hear it.
So apparently this was just your opinion of what might occur with the onset of the war, I guess?
Yes, that's what I would do tactically if I were a North Korean commander.
They're going to use a nuclear weapon, and that I stand by.
They'll be the first on the block to use one.
That would be a very sad Unfortunate thing.
They're not going to stop this.
Since you were in the military, maybe you'd like to take a crack at this.
Should North Korea use a nuclear weapon, whether against the South Koreans predominantly or certainly, and the U.S.
as well, because, you know, we're right there, 50,000 or so in South Korea, U.S.
service people, a number of them would be killed.
What do you believe the U.S.
response to a nuclear explosion in South Korea would be?
Well, it would mean the end, of course, of North Korea as a government.
We wouldn't respond with a massive retaliation on the people.
We would hit everything that even looked like it had steel, a barrel, a cylindrical, or anything that looked like it had wings, of course.
So that would be the end of their government.
But we would not be able to retaliate using nuclear weapons on that peninsula.
Only a couple of nuclear weapons would be militarily decisive, obviously.
Look how close it is to China, though.
China wins any way you look at it.
We cannot launch things in the direction of China for two reasons.
One is obvious.
There are nuclear power as well.
Number two is they're our factory.
We're not going to want to bomb our factory.
Everything you see around you says made in China on it.
Boeing Corporation is now teaching the Chinese how to make Boeing aircraft.
That's great financially in the short run, but suicide in the long run.
So, there's a couple of reasons why we can't.
The war would have to stop very, very quickly.
It would be a blitzkrieg on our part, and I have reason to believe that we're going to preempt.
So we might be able to get one of those weapons, but they're going to be able to pop another one on the peninsula.
But you have remote viewed the fact that North Korea is going to use a nuclear weapon.
Can you tell us anything about How do you come upon the determination that these people are going to explode and nuke?
What do you see that leads you to that?
If you think of an internet database search, the search terms that we use in our business are interpreted literally.
We teach this in our workshops.
In fact, I'll be in Las Vegas.
If you'd like to see how this works, I'm teaching an intermediate workshop right up the street
from you this weekend.
You can come in and the students construct their stuff where you can see how we actually
set problems up and solve them.
Well, if we're talking about the possibility of error, if I, for example, go to a search
engine, I'll pick out Google, and I put in North Korea nuclear, space nuclear, I'll get
a lot of hits.
And maybe I will get a hit that if I didn't know any better, and I thought it was absolute information, I'd say, oh my God, they're about to blow up a nuke.
But if I, depending on how I put it into the search engine, Ed, you know, poo-poo in, poo-poo out, right?
And you don't always get what you're looking for when you go and you enter a phrase in a search engine.
I assume remote viewing has the same potential difficulty.
There's a lot of information out there in this Cosmic consciousness floating out there, and who's to say that you put in the right thing, and that you're getting the right response?
Well, we know it empirically.
It is technical.
You have to be very careful.
That's why we teach students to be very careful.
But the idea of the next nuclear weapon used in anger, that was six years ago, and every time for the last six years, and every iteration of that particular search term, that idea is set up technically the right way.
it points to uh... the korean peninsula a ground war and then a ground war starting
and then in a uh... a mushroom cloud in the back and it's not uh... a fuel air
explosive it's actually a nuclear weapon well would our response to it include doing what we're
doing in iraq for example where we're now saying yes we're nation building we're
nation building and we're gonna be there for years and years
Surprise, surprise.
I mean, what do you do with North Korea?
It's a crazy regime.
There's no question about it.
I mean, they're nuts.
So yes, you can take them out, but then you've got a whole country full of virtual soldiers.
They've been preparing for nothing but military action for as long as I can recall since the end of the Korean conflict.
Oh no, you're looking at an entirely different war.
The only way that I can see the war ending and any future at all, dismal at best, would be for the Chinese to mediate and we subcontract the post-war cleanup to China.
Doesn't that give China a completely new place on the world scene if we allow them to do that?
Not only will we allow them to do that, but while we're fighting over there, they will probably occupy Taiwan after a short blitzkrieg.
Mm-hmm.
China went.
So you believe that ultimately China will get Taiwan back, one way or the other, whether it's struck through some sort of political deal or they take it militarily, you believe they'll get it back?
It's my belief, yes.
I'm not remote-viewed or anything like that, but my belief is yes.
Okay.
I guess we should be very clear about your belief versus what you have remote-viewed.
I want to be very careful about that tonight.
In the future, I shall be.
No question, though, about the use of a nuke.
Any sense, Ed, of how close it's getting?
And I know pinning things down, time-wise, is the hardest thing a remote viewer has to do, but it's the first question that everybody asks.
No, I don't have any sense for that, although we could develop it, and I'll tell you how in a moment.
However, my hunch, my opinion is that That the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not going to give up their designs on having nuclear weapons.
And it's a pipe dream to think that they're going to abandon nuclear procurement and stop nuclear blackmail.
All right, well, you just said it.
A lot of Americans, Ed, and a lot of people worldwide think that the North Koreans are not stupid enough to actually set off a nuke, but they're developing them and threatening to develop them in order to extort or blackmail assistance money and other monies and technological help from the U.S.
You know, saying, well, either you help or we're making nukes!
Look at this!
Look out!
We will, just like the... We'll have a number of countries back us up on a preemptive strike.
And that's how that war will start.
We'll do the best that we can to ameliorate the 37,000 artillery pieces is uh... the use of them on the border that is possible but
it's going to be a war of a different kind obviously anyway what will preempt
we maybe will get one of the weapons one of the divided but we won't get the second one
that's the one that will tell you at the what have one half the family jewels
So what's our future like?
I mean, here we are, as I said, nation-building in Iraq, and then perhaps having China nation-build in North Korea.
Is that our future?
Are we becoming the world's police force?
Because we're getting spread a little thin here already, Ed, to be honest with you.
Yes, as the Chinese well know.
They're just biding their time.
I'm not a policy maker.
I was just like you, a soldier.
My job was to watch, strategize, follow along, and develop the tasks to implement operations that were based upon our leader's goals.
Alright, well then let's come back to what you do do.
You said that you are developing a method for pinning down timelines in remote viewing.
I'll give you a lot of points.
I mean a lot of people out there don't, but I will give you a lot of points.
You forecasted years ago on this program with me many things that did in fact come true and or are in the process of becoming true right now.
I'll give you that.
You've missed a couple, but I mean this timeline aspect of it is really important a nuclear weapon going off in South Korea really important to know when and you say that there's a method now you're working on for nailing these timelines down.
How?
Well we can't we can't nail it down exactly but we can we can narrow the window down by by using remote viewing to describe the nearest significant event in time the nearest significant preceding event And how are those seen?
I mean, I could imagine, for example, a graph in which there are large events that are large spikes on a graph, and then some way to measure the time in between, or... No.
Then how?
I mean, do you look back at history?
No, no, no.
What we do is, for instance, in the case of what we believe to be an absolute discrete
event in time, which is the next use of a nuclear weapon on the Korean Peninsula, what
we can do as remote viewers, and it isn't difficult, is to remote view and allow the
collective unconscious, the matrix, to provide the data to us because we're solving for an
unknown, to describe the most significant preceding event.
That may be, let's say, the assassination of a leader somewhere or the sinking of a
submarine or something like that, so that when we see this...
Would that event still be in the future that you're now talking about?
The precursor event?
When we say precursor, it would be preceding.
Preceding.
Well, it would be then a precursor to the event of the nuclear explosion.
I'm sorry, I use precursors differently as an old biological chemical worker.
Yes, but I meant as a precursor to the event.
Yes, this is what it would be.
So when we see that, we know we're very, very close.
But to nail it down specifically, there are ways of doing it, but it's so much work that we can't engage in it practically.
But this is close enough for government work, to do something like that, for instance.
For instance, I wanted to know what would precedent The shifting of the planet's poles, which we firmly believe is a reality in the not-too-distant future.
Did you hear Stan Dale, part of the program?
I did.
You did.
His appearance, and now yours, are sort of meant for each other.
It's a very good segue.
I mean, an awful lot of what he had to say, I should sit down and talk to you right now, tonight, about.
And that is, massive Earth changes of the kind that will take millions of lives and You know, send us back to the Stone Age or something close to it.
I may be, you know, saturating a little bit here, but not too much.
Ed, hold on.
We're at a break point.
We'll be right back with Major Ed Daines from the high desert.
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Good morning.
It's Major Ed Dance here tonight.
And if you'll stay right where you are, there's some strange times ahead.
Warning for everybody, if you can't handle this kind of information, there's one thing you can always do.
Your radio's equipped with it, it's called an on-off knob.
Because some of this could get pretty rough.
I suggest you stay, the rest of you that is, right where you are.
It's very interesting actually, the way Ed says that he's going to be able to pin timelines
down a little bit closer, and that is to look at one event and then as soon as that occurs
expect or have the expectation that the other event is fairly close.
Now, it seems to me that remote viewing spans time, both in our future and in our past.
It should be equally possible to remote view events in the past, shouldn't it, Ed?
Absolutely.
Think of mine as outside of time.
Now, here's what I'm getting at.
I'm looking for the benchmark to understand how you're going to mark when an event might occur.
You say, that really sounds like the Hopi, you know, when you see the blue moon arrive, then the following shall happen.
So it's as though they were marking time in the same way, or the Hopi marked time in almost exactly the same way.
But I thought, well gee then, why can't Ed go into the past, remote view of large events that put a big ripple in everything, you know, the assassination of a president or an earthquake or something or another, and look at one event, then another event in the past, and find a way to have a benchmark to understand the length of time between A and B, or B and A in this case, since we're working backwards, and then come up with a benchmark for predicting the future.
Well, time isn't quite that way, Art.
I mean, we're dealing with two times.
When you sleep, for instance, you could go to sleep tonight and wake up a million years in the future and not know that.
And you wouldn't have any idea how much time passed.
So you've got that idea of time in terms of your mind and consciousness.
And you have this linear time that we measure calendrically, the Earth going around the Sun, the Earth revolving on its axis, that kind of thing.
So the time that these events, these events are, it's better to take the event and look at them in terms of not geological time per se.
It really isn't a good benchmark when you get outside of our galaxy, when you get outside of the solar system.
So down here, What we're looking at is a newspaper-worthy, front-page-worthy event, that kind of thing.
Yes.
When we see that, let's say, Madonna breaking her back, you know, something like that, hypothetically, that we recognize that a major singer has had an accident.
When we see that, then we're very close to this other thing happening.
This is a significant preceding event that we can recognize analytically.
I just can't understand how you can measure one against the other.
What benchmark is there to understand?
We're talking about Madonna breaking her back, theoretically, and then this other event, and somehow you have to have something to measure to say, we will be very close.
Other than that's the next event, how do we know that's not 100 years after the first?
You've got to have some ruler, some measurement, some way of understanding the time span.
We have to experiment with it.
It's the only way, because it's a new protocol for us, and we have to experiment.
Everything that we do, and we do well, is a result of empirical knowledge.
Doing this over and over again, making lots of mistakes.
It's always science work.
You seem to have the remote viewing part of it down very well indeed, but not the time part of it.
So if you could nail that down, then I think remote viewing would be back at the CIA real quick.
That's not where I'm going.
Well, I understand, but I mean, they'd yank it back so quick that, you know, Saddam Hussein's head would twist around all the way.
Well, it isn't just used.
Predictive intelligence is only one aspect of remote viewing.
that's only one, predictive intelligence, and that's not, that's, that's, has not proven
that useful because of this timeline problem.
Yes, yes, that's what I'd say.
So if you are able to solve that, you're going to be back in the gold again very quickly, because it's really the big problem where remote viewing is concerned.
Not that an event will occur, but when it will occur.
Now there's another practical part of remote viewing, and that is locating things That are in our present timeline, gas canisters for the military, that sort of thing you did before, and there was quite a bit of success with that.
You would think the program would still stand within our government and be funded with taxpayer dollars if even that aspect of it was predictably accurate.
We didn't have a down then.
I've got it down now, but it took a long, long time to iron the bug job.
And while it was a baby, It was so controversial.
I was such a white elephant within the Department of Defense that it didn't have a chance to really grow.
I had to grow it outside of the military over the last 20 years.
Who really supported it?
I mean, even to last as long as it did, it had to have some support as well as detractors, yes?
Well, you know, some of the general officers and the very high-level civilians that supported it lost their jobs because of their support.
I'm not going to mention names on the air here.
Well, all I'm saying is there had to be support at some level for it to have lasted that long.
There was.
I mean, Colonel John Alexander, who lives there, a mutual friend of ours, he was a big supporter.
And still is, by the way.
John, a very, very intelligent man, who obviously has done everything he's told us about and a whole lot more, definitely gets behind the concept of remote viewing being valid, and so do a lot of other, a very great number of other people.
Now, a lot of those people, even within the remote viewing community, are not exactly what we could call Ed Dames I'm not conservative, Art.
they're they're not much of the tractor either it seems a very closed community
and most people would say well you know i don't want to comment
on it well i really didn't say i've you know i've asked a number
of other high-profile remote viewers and they they just don't have a
lot to say about you and it's uh...
not as though i'm not conservative art i i think you know i know
i'd like to push the envelope uh... i know and they know and they don't say well you know
he's full of money doesn't know what he's doing none of that stuff
They just don't like the areas that you've been into, Ed.
Well... Instead of looking at the sort of thing they looked at, and we're trained to look at, and still, for the most part, look at.
You know, I've asked them, I said, why don't you look at some of this incredible material that Ed Dames is talking about all the time, and they all say, I don't want to do that.
I don't want to look at those kinds of events.
Why, do you think?
Because if they become tainted with those kinds of very controversial things, you can't be a conservative scientist, or a technician, or a writer, or a radio announcer, and talk about UFOs, and talk about I bet it was really interesting in the military.
I was there in the Air Force, and I know the military mentality.
But you cannot do that and maintain your credibility.
That's why.
I don't need to be politically correct, and I am not.
But my life is very interesting.
It's getting more interesting all the time.
I bet it was really interesting in the military.
I was there in the Air Force, and I know the military mentality.
You must have had a hard road to hoe, I'll tell you, with an awful lot of the military.
Only in these arenas.
As a training officer, I could get away with quite a bit.
But remember, my primary job was not to use taxpayers' money to look at UFOs and things like that.
I know, I know.
We did that after hours.
Well, I know, but the reason you did it after hours, if memory serves me, is because during the routine tasking that you were giving your people in the position you had in that program, they began seeing things, and you might explain this, Seeing things, understanding things about which they were not tasked.
Now, I suppose from the military's point of view, that's the failure of the program.
But apparently they began to tell you about these things they were seeing that either made them nervous or scared them or they didn't understand about our future and they talked about them.
Somehow this got to you and intrigued you.
Or how did it happen?
The first operations officer of the unit got interested in Mars and used Joe McMonagle.
In an altered state, Joe was not a remote viewer per se.
He was a psychic.
A very talented psychic.
Yes, and he served this country very well.
But Fred Atwater, the first operations officer, started the experiment with Joe when Joe was in altered states and given targets that were off-planet, particularly Mars.
In Joe's book, he says that he did this down the Monroe Institute, but in reality... You're saying these were officially sanctioned?
Negative.
Okay, now how did Target Morris come about?
Certainly not from our military.
No, it was Fred Atwater, the first operations officer of the unit, who said, I wonder what?
And then, let's see if mine's outside of time and space.
So I started an experiment with that, and when I was recruited to be Fred's replacement, I became extremely intrigued in this.
Very, very intrigued.
Well, I would think that even the military might want the answers to some of these questions because some of them involve how remote viewing works, the medium in which it works, the way it works, what we are beyond our physical bodies.
Even the military might be interested in that sort of thing.
No, no, no.
Not really.
That's not what we get paid to do.
We were an experimental unit.
Secretary of the Army at the time, General Marsh, had blessed us with some monies and some time to prove and develop the protocol so that we had a standard operating procedure eventually to be able to work out the bugs so that we could find hostages and terrorists and get inside of erstwhile Soviet missile fabrication Well, I know this.
The CIA is a thankless profession, indeed.
You know, you never hear about their successes, because they are successes, and the bomb didn't explode, or the gas didn't get dispersed, or whatever horrible thing might happen didn't happen, so you never hear about it.
And, on the other hand, screw one thing up, and of course, the press is all over the CIA for screw-ups.
That's all you ever hear about.
it sort of puts bad... I don't know...
Oh, actually, the CIA coveted our program.
They coveted our program.
Yes, I understand.
But what I'm saying is it puts a bad taste in people's mouths when it goes bad.
That's all you ever hear about.
I'm assuming that even remote viewing was responsible for some of the CIA successes that we never heard about and you probably can't talk about now.
Those I can't.
There weren't that many.
There were a couple though.
But one of them really, really made me angry, very, very angry, personally, because I was at the height of the military unit's success rate.
The morale was high, everything was going right, and the CIA came to us and tasked us with finding a mole within their ranks.
I assumed that when we found this person, I won't mention gender, We found this person, that the person would be sent to prison.
Well, we found the person, and the person was murdered.
Murdered?
Yeah.
And that, so I was an accomplice to a murder, and that really ticked me off.
Really ticked me off.
Wow.
That's something to think about.
You know, a lot of people believe, of course, that murder and assassination are not things that our government does.
The government didn't do it.
No, the person was set up.
They were killed on farm.
Yes, yes, well, wherever they were killed.
Nevertheless, Ed, is it naive to believe that our government doesn't do that kind of thing?
We know they've done it in the past, so let's get that one out of the way right away.
They say they don't do it now.
No, we don't do wet operations anymore, but that doesn't mean we can't subcontract.
Well, in a court of law, And the subcontractor goes up the river just like the contractor.
Well, I suppose that's a distinction, but it's not a big one.
Still murder.
Still the disposition by extreme measures, whatever you want to call it.
So it really does, whether it's by proxy or whatever, it goes on now too, right?
By proxy.
All right, if that distinction is really important.
Not in the end.
No, not in the end, and not for the target, right?
No, certainly.
It was still dead as doornails.
There's only so many ways to die.
That's right.
So the world still works in much the same way it did before.
If you want to throw in an extra word to justify something, have at it.
But it's still the same thing.
Nothing new under the sun.
But there are more people.
There are more people.
Nothing new, but more people.
So the percentages of things good and bad are higher than before.
Uh-huh.
All right.
There's still as much carnage and barbarism as the time of Vlad the Impaler.
Oh, there is, Ed.
In fact, right now our nation is on the verge of God knows what as a result of terrorism.
9-11 and the economy got kicked in the rear end and it still has not come back to its feet.
Our economy is in trouble.
One terrorist event, and so everybody, me included, wants to know what's coming with regard to terrorism.
Now, you told us about the nuke in South Korea.
Any major terrorist event, another one in this country, and most people believe the economy would stagger to a stop.
You're not going to see another major terrorist event that's going to drive the economy down, but you're going to see something else that will take the economy out pretty quickly.
Well, it seems awfully fragile.
It doesn't seem like it takes a whole lot to drag it down.
What kind of event are you speaking of?
Avian-born diseases.
What born?
Avian.
Birds.
Oh, bird-born diseases.
Now, look at SARS.
SARS was... We can't control SARS for obvious reasons.
You essentially isolate Quarantine populations of infected individuals, and because it's passed from human to human, eventually it runs its course.
Maybe.
Maybe, Ed.
And maybe it goes dormant with the season and comes back too, like some other diseases we've seen.
And maybe one of these times they don't manage to quarantine enough people.
Well, Art, you have to look at the reservoir of the virus.
In this case, for SARS, it appears to be human.
Let's just say for argument purposes that it's human.
What we're faced with now is something much, much more serious.
Much more serious because we've got at least something like West Nile, if not West Nile itself, being transmitted by mosquitoes to birds and other animals.
It's too cost prohibitive to control those two vectors.
There's no way to do it.
And it's going to spread fast with the warm weather, and it's already got a foothold here, West Nile at least, in the U.S., and a couple of more right behind it.
That's what's going to take the economy down, that.
Years ago on your show, years ago, six or seven years ago, I said the cause of the next economic collapse of all things, and we thought it was so silly, I didn't even want to say it on the air.
I said the cause of the next global economic collapse will be disease.
Well, I remember that.
I remember that very well indeed.
We should dig it up from the archives and play it.
No, you're absolutely right.
You did certainly say that.
And that's what I was trying to point out a little earlier.
For whatever you've missed, you've had a lot of really big hits.
It's just that your detractors tend to, like with the CIA ad, You know, they just go after the failures, or the misses, or the things that have not yet occurred, and they bring those to mind when they come after you.
It's the normal human way to react to the kind of news that you give out.
You know, news of catastrophes and disasters and the darker side of things.
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Did you see that?
Do you remember that?
This song was playing in the background.
That's how they opened.
And it showed a scientist standing in the lab.
And... Oops!
And the vial hits the floor, and then it shows people on the base beginning to run for their lives.
Other people throwing up on a lawn.
In other words, the beginning of the end of the world.
That was some movie.
It's kind of like listening to Major Ed Daines.
We'll be right back.
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All right, my guest is Ed Daines, Major Ed Daines.
And we're talking about some pretty rough to listen to things.
And he does work in areas that other remote viewers don't.
So if this is overwhelming for you, And or if you have children about I suggest you flip the radio off because it's going to be it's going to be concerning listening to it is going to be a concerning thing for you as it is me because I happen to believe that remote viewing is real.
A lot of people who I have a great deal of respect for in the scientific community also give it a gigantic amount of credibility and once again here's Major Ed Dames.
Ed, welcome back.
Thank you.
Art, before Really?
and young ones off to bed, their parents can tell kids to go to sleep with this on their
Yes.
mind.
Read your parents mind dot com and read your teachers mind dot com.
Really?
Yeah.
Those two websites will take children to a new ESP for kids kit that I've developed and
beta tested over two years in high school and fifth grade science projects.
I'm trying to train as many kids as possible, as fast and furious as possible.
This is a really effective kit for young kids.
Why are you trying to train them?
They'll need these skills.
They'll need these skills?
To live?
To survive?
What do you mean?
That's a good start.
It's easier to teach children, it's more difficult for reasons that we've talked about in the past, because they don't have the lexicon and the sorrows to express what they're perceiving remotely in their mind's eye, but they have far less baggage than you or I. They don't have an ego to have to tolerate, they're not conditioned, those kind of things.
So they're pretty much a clean slate.
Is it really always a good thing, Ed, to know the future?
I'm not saying that they should know the future.
They need to know where water is.
Yeah, I'm just asking you.
Oh, I see.
You're laying into the practical aspect of it.
Where you could find water or do some other thing that would save your own life.
Yeah, or simple things like, you know, solving a problem, going right brain.
I'm working with a very famous scientist in Japan right now who has hundreds of thousands of young students that he's taught photo reading to.
We're working hand in hand in Japan.
and in China to teach young people these skills.
I want to do the same thing in America.
This is my home country.
Along with these practical skills comes the ability to let the mind adventure with questions
that almost every walking, breathing human being wants the answer to, right?
Absolutely.
Brave new world.
Brave new world.
And so, is it always good to know the future?
You must have wondered about this a lot.
Are there some things better just not known?
I think so, and you do.
We do.
I agree with you.
I think your question is actually a statement, and I agree with you.
Yes, this is a Pandora's box, but what would a world without secrets be like?
Anything is better than what we have now.
There is that, yes.
I suppose.
But there's a song that says, tell me lies, sweet little lies.
I mean, there are a lot, there's a big part of the population, Ed, that doesn't like bad news.
And frankly, a lot of them, Ed, are your detractors.
They don't like bad news.
And when they get it, they get angry.
That's how they respond.
They respond with anger.
I've seen it even with some of the most educated people I've met on the planet.
You bet!
It's a natural human reaction.
If you don't understand something or it's beyond your ability to compute and even think about and digest, then you reject it and you do so with anger.
Suppose something lands that's a higher intelligence and it looks like the Ferengi or something worse.
Now, if we approach these Well, I'm not convinced yet that we're headed to the galaxy.
It's not a guaranteed ride at all.
Not the way we're going at the moment.
anywhere out there in the galaxy.
Well, I'm not convinced yet that we're headed to the galaxy.
If we ever make it, it's not one that's going to be popular.
It's not a guaranteed ride at all.
Not the way we're going at the moment.
And by the way, while we're on the subject of something like that landing,
I just read a very interesting book, Ed.
Really an interesting book.
The concept was that the United States had begun to disintegrate into civil unrest and civil war and acts of terrorism by our own.
We've already experienced a little bit of that, but I mean on a massive scale.
So massive that the president in this novel is forced to concoct and alien threats actually construct a ship with organisms
on board that would pass muster after the crash in a simulate a
crash in about ten thousand people are killed by this gas let off by the
spacecraft as it crashes and and so
uh... the president at the time uh... you know with an approval rating of plus
one or something terrible like that actually manages to turn the entire country around a lot of
people have to die for this to happen but also now we have a
com common enemy as something to be scared of that's seemingly beyond us
right now and
i wonder if you imagine anything like that's ever been considered
all it doesn't have to be that fantasy doesn't have to be entertained we're
we're going to have the real thing here and the summer has a began to micro
the israeli now let me Let me make sure here that we're talking about something that you have remote-viewed.
Is this an event you have remote-viewed?
Yes, avian-borne diseases.
Next up, in terms of a catastrophe.
Okay, well, I read a story recently that we are being bombarded, I mean, as in Earth, with alien organisms all the time.
They're crashing into Earth in the forms of meteors with some organic matter from some place or another with some little bug.
Is that what you mean, or do you mean that we're going to be targeted by an alien intelligence?
No, no, no, absolutely not.
I'm talking about epidemiology here.
A foreign, yes, an alien virus, because it was indigenous to Africa for many, many years.
Having jumped ship on an airliner, made it to the U.S., and now it has an inroad And will it mutate?
It doesn't really have to mutate.
the east coast and it's going to spread fast via mosquitoes and birds and to mammals very
quickly.
And mammals.
And will it mutate?
It doesn't really have to mutate.
It will take mammals so long to build up by natural selection immunity to it that it will
be able to eat a lot before it has to mutate.
So West Nile virus, maybe African equine and civilitis, things like that, it won't take
long.
It doesn't have to mutate.
Well you have made these predictions now for many years.
In fact, there was one that involved mother's milk, do you recall?
Yeah, absolutely.
Now that's a little bit further over the horizon.
We reach a point where we get a grand slam and there's a mass cull and all that kind of thing.
But later on, and this We need to talk about this in the context of cow mutilations as well.
Really?
I will say that a point is going to be reached because of, not viruses, but prions.
Mad cow disease.
Mad cow chronic wasting disease.
Yes.
A human variant, Kurtzfeld-Jakob.
A point is going to be reached where we're not going to be able to trust milk because of these things.
We don't want to transmit.
That kind of stuff, not to mention other things.
This is also a prediction that you made many years before Mad Cow showed up, or anything like it.
I see that you have been right.
I really do want to stick up for you, for the haters out there.
I mean, he really did predict this, folks.
So, it's going to sharply increase now, and again, the old hard Well, the cull is going to happen two ways.
One, we're right now, as you know, culling elk herds and the British have culled a lot of cows.
It's going to happen here in America and the point is going to be reached where the cull is going to be so great that dairymen We're going to have to take down their herds.
That means no milk for babies.
That's over the horizon, not too far.
But that has nothing to do with the avian borne viruses right now.
This you view as on top of us virtually?
Yes, this summer.
Watch this summer.
Oh, this summer?
Yeah, watch.
And how bad, how fast?
Not sure, Art.
I just know it's catastrophic in many ways in terms of the economy.
Lots of money are going to have to be poured into this, and the Centers for Disease Control is not going to be able to cope with it.
It looked to me like this recent thing we've just been through.
If we're all the way through it, I'm not even frankly sure that We're all the way through SARS at all.
I mean, it's suddenly sort of now out of the headlines for the moment, but I have this feeling we're not done with SARS or SARS more likely is not done with us.
No, but Art, it can be controlled again because... It would appear as though they got it under control.
It's amazing, but I feel like the other shoe is going to fall.
The other shoe is the avian-borne diseases, Art, because again, Here, in the case of SARS, we're talking about humans transmitting it to another human.
Human-to-human contact is required.
Isolate and quarantine a group, let the disease run its course, treat the people, and it's gone.
But in the case of avian-borne diseases, birds that have been bitten by a mosquito that's transmitting a virus, it's economically unfeasible.
Absolutely outside of the realm of any economic practicality to control that.
Birds fly very far, very fast, and they transmit it to other mosquito populations that are all over the place.
If this spreads, if this happens quickly, and it will, just hold on to your hat.
I wish that we could have some understanding of scale.
I mean, that should be the kind of thing that you could remote view.
If not, when?
Then at least scale.
Yes, we can do that.
I need my team to do that.
I can't afford to hire them to do that because they're being paid to do other things right now.
Yeah, I understand that you all don't sit around running the kind of topics that are of great interest to this audience all the time.
You have a money side of the business.
I tend to forget that.
What kind of, without being specific, which I'm sure you couldn't, what kind of jobs are you being paid to do?
What type of jobs?
I mean, if you don't want to tell me about one, then just tell me Well, I'm an educator, for one thing, so I teach workshops.
I have one coming up this weekend in Las Vegas, Seattle, and San Diego.
Each month I teach a workshop in remote viewing.
A paid contract right now, one of them is with the largest book publishing company in Japan, and they are contracting my team To do a book to forecast the Japanese economy and each sector.
Really?
Yes.
A big book.
A very big book.
I was about to ask you if there was more money in actually going about and talking about remote viewing than there was actually in the remote viewing itself.
Yes, there's a lot of money to be made there, but I refuse to do it.
That's not how I want to spend my life.
I'm just a talking dog.
I love my work.
Talking is great to people like you.
I've really enjoyed this.
Oh, I do, too.
But I couldn't do it too long without being... I need to work.
I love my job.
So it's getting out there on the ground.
We've been really succeeding in Japan.
I'm a big star on Japanese television now.
Every month I have a big special.
Oh, yes.
Something about you being on Japanese TV every month.
Yeah, a big special on Asahi TV Channel 10.
I'm pretty well known in Japan now.
And that's what, look, the Japanese television and entertainment industry has paid me to do what I've wanted to do in the States, and that is to locate missing children and to solve child murders.
And so that's what I've been able to do in Japan.
Do you find more cooperation from government officials, local police, you know, agencies of varying sorts in Japan than you do here?
I have everything I want there.
Really, the parents are so thankful for anything.
My team and I can do anything.
The police, the media, everybody.
In the States, I have to do it clandestinely.
Why do you think there is such a large difference?
What is it about our nature that makes you look like the Wicked Witch of the West here in the West?
I'm not quite sure.
I'm not quite sure.
It could have been mistakes I've made in the past, and the situation has been greatly compounded by a group of psychics, a remote-viewing group of psychics that botched, terribly botched, a child search, Elizabeth Smart's child search, and that has just about erased any hope of getting law enforcement on my side.
in the states for the next couple of years.
That's why we have to succeed a lot in Japan, take those successes back to American law
enforcement, especially the FBI, before we can make the inroads here.
But boy, it's been tough going, really tough going here in the states.
I have one more case left in the states, and I have to run it clandestinely and sneak around
to find the child's bones, because I'm not getting any support from anybody on this case.
But yet in Japan, you get all kinds of support.
What's the record over there so far?
How are you doing?
Oh, we're doing exceedingly well in terms of locating a hit-and-run 7-year-old child hit-and-run victim, describing the automobile, where the hit-and-run driver works, those kinds of things.
Locating the body of an infant.
We're doing exceedingly well there.
I've got everything I need.
And Ed, what went wrong with the Elizabeth Smart case?
Where did the team and how did the team go wrong?
They didn't have the expertise.
They tackled something they could not solve.
They did not have the expertise to solve.
They never were trained in advanced skills in terms of setting a problem up and correctly analyzing it.
And their egos got in the way.
I have fired more people because their egos exploded.
Because remote viewing is a very empowering thing, Art.
When you can do this, you are hot stuff.
I've even had to check my own many, many times.
You've got a pretty good-sized ego.
How do you keep that out of your work?
You've got to.
You must.
Once you put that pen on the paper and you start working the way that we start as remote viewers, as professionals, you better have that ego out of the picture, because you're not going to be able to control your imagination, and you're not going to be able to stop the judgment of the incoming data, and you're going to crash and burn.
You can strap your ego back on.
Well, then you've got to be Dr. Jekyll and Major Ed Dames.
Essentially, yeah.
Everybody works the same way in this.
It's just like being an airline pilot.
A pilot can have a big ego, but when they're in the cockpit of a 747 responsible for all those passengers, you put a darn well-toed line and act at the same degree of standards that every other pilot does once they get You know, once the planes land and they're off, that's fine.
Strap the ego back on.
But there are standards here of performance.
How do you recognize when a remote viewer has his ego totally blocking any decent information?
How do you know that?
They become emotionally unstable.
I had one that happened to me in Japan.
One got caught up in a drama, lost his perspective, had serious personal problems and had to be let go.
Very serious personal problems that he needs to attend to.
So I had to replace him with a very... How does that show up in their work?
They lose the target.
They begin to go all over the place.
They can't maintain a consistent... In other words, all the discipline the military instilled... Hold on, Edward.
We're at a break point.
It breaks down totally.
And you're no longer with the team.
You're out there on your own limb.
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Stay put.
One thing that I've always been extremely curious about is what our animals think of
us and what they think about in general.
I'm...
I wonder if Ed Dames, Major Ed Dames, has ever remote viewed anything that would give him a hint of what it is that animals think.
If they think.
If they have a consciousness.
If they have a soul.
Or if they don't.
I mean, I just wonder, Ed, if you've ever done any work with animals and could tell us anything about any of that.
Not esoteric work like that, but yes, I had a fascinating contract with some dolphin researchers once years ago to assist their studies of dolphins in the wild.
Really?
That was very fascinating.
Dolphin communications.
They needed some insight as to how to communicate with dolphins, and that was one of my favorite all-time projects.
Well, did you determine that a dolphin has a thinking process as we understand it, or are they entirely different organisms to the degree that we wouldn't even grasp the way they, in quotes I guess, think of things?
No, it was close enough.
There was enough commonality and overlap so that we could fathom what was going on in the adult mind.
But the way they were processing information was what was interesting to me because we think of them as acoustically oriented.
They're very vocal animals and yet when you remote view it, it turns out that visually they're far more adaptive and responsive than they are acoustically.
Far more.
And so I developed a protocol.
I don't know.
for a human-dolphin interaction that was based on visuals rather than sounds.
So their eyesight means more to them than the acoustic abilities?
Yes, they're extremely inquisitive.
As they become conscious in the morning when they wake up, for instance,
anything that's changed in the water, even a small thing, will be immediately recognized and investigated.
Why have they befriended, in some cases, saved human beings?
I don't know. I've never remote-viewed that or tried to gain any insight there.
Did any insight into the nature of the way dolphins think give you any clue about that?
Yes. No, no. Only the way they are used.
Yes.
Well, yes, in terms of the way they process visual information and integrate it.
Beyond that, in terms of what we would call higher ideation or thought, whether they cogitate or dream or ratiocinate when they're sitting around or swimming around.
Well, I've just sort of always wondered whether it was a...
semi-natural reaction they see a human in the water they they know what a shark can do instinctually of course they know very well what a shark can do and does every waking fin flapping moment and so they would understand that that human or that biological entity flopping in the water is about to get gobbled and I just you know I just wonder did you they make a conscious moral decision to save that human and help or do they Just react instinctually as they might with any other creature in that situation.
Well, my knee-jerk reaction would be it's instinctive, but I'm always wrong in my knee-jerk reaction.
That's why I love my work, because when you use remote killing, you bypass all the judgments and the imagination, and you get to the direct knowledge.
I have not looked at that, and there are so many things.
Take a look at a cat for me, will you?
Which one?
No, well, it doesn't have to be a specific cat.
Pick a cat you want to look at.
Yes, it does.
In our work, it does.
Really?
Okay.
Speaking of looking at something... I'll send you a picture, a cat named Yeti.
I want to know.
Okay.
A picture would be better in that case.
All right, no problem.
Speaking of inspecting...
The workshop I have coming up this weekend, I have one of the world's leading orthopedic
surgeons in there.
You might want to swing by and have him inspect your back.
Oh, my back.
Yeah, it's giving me fits at the moment, actually.
I need to give the listeners an enrollment phone number for these workshops.
Um, absolutely.
I always let you promo something.
It seems like you're hot on workshops tonight.
So, a chance for the public to see and, what, work with you?
Watch you work?
Do what?
No, no, no.
It's strictly teaching.
It's teaching a skill.
We lock the doors.
You come out.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Don't come to these workshops unless you really want to learn this, because I'm going to make sure you do.
I'll be standing right next to you when you do.
You know what?
I've heard that from many of your students, Ed.
Wayne Green?
Yeah, Wayne Green.
I've had emails from All kinds of people who have been to your workshops and they've got nothing but really good things to say.
I'll sure give you that.
I've had a lot of those kind of emails, Ed.
Alright, so phone number for the workshops.
Yeah, if you want to enroll, it's toll free 1-866-607-8439.
And what cities should be on the alert here?
I have workshops coming up, well again this weekend is a higher level one.
Seattle in July and San Diego in August.
The reason I'm pushing these now is I'm probably going to be turning my attention fully to children beginning this fall, and I'm not sure.
I know, you've been threatening to do that for years.
Well, I'm starting now with this kit, the ESP kit for young people.
In fact, if you look at the cover, you have to go through a website that says, there's a police come with a whistle, and it says, warning, information may be disturbing some adults
no one over 12 years of age may enter this website without you know that kind of thing. Adults must be accompanied by
kids then you'll see the cover art for the August release
of Mind Dazzle Kids Kit or if they can go to RemoteViewing2003.com
and get links to the enrollment and to the kids kit.
Alright, but particularly if you're in one of those cities the number to call is
Right.
Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego.
I still have not made up my mind whether or not I really ever want to give it a try.
I still haven't made up my mind.
Well, you know, I've got to tell you something about, I'm not going to mention his name, but this world's leading orthopedic surgeon took the workshop because he had and undyed, he had a neuropathy that's killing him.
He was dying from this mimic Lou Gehrig's disease.
And none of his colleagues, which are the world's best like him,
could diagnose the cause of this.
And so I personally and two of my team members remote viewed an effective cure and treatment
for this disease.
He's very happy.
I'm sure he's a happy camper indeed.
All right, look, prior to your appearance tonight, we had Stan Dale.
Stan Wovetail from a man he had talked to, which, frankly, sounds just like, gosh, Ed, the Hopi.
It sounds like a Hopi prophecy.
It sounds like things you've said in the past.
It sounds like things Gordon Michael Scallion has said.
Geologic, massive disturbance of some sort that We'll leave many, many dead, you know, California into the ocean, all that sort of thing.
What do you feel about that?
I mean, I know you deal with disease and other things that are coming to us and are obviously happening right now, but what about that geologic kind of earth change stuff, Ed?
My feeling is, well, I firmly believe That in our lifetime, at least mine, I don't know about yours, but our lifetime, just kidding, that we're going to see, believe it or not, an honest-to-God pole shift that will be as catastrophic as the one that sank that city off the coast of Cuba.
That's another thing Stan told me.
I can't recall now whether it was on the air or privately, but a pole shift, yes, you mentioned that.
Well, let's call it a pole shift.
The Earth's going to turn or wobble or precess on its axis, and it's going to do the same type of thing.
That caused that city to be that far underwater.
You refer to the one off the coast of Cuba, I presume, 2200 feet down?
Yes.
I'm reticent to talk about these kinds of things because people who push the envelope like myself tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
But in terms of predictive intelligence, I'm going to have to stand by this as well as the Korean nuclear device.
Well, there was Miss Leader, who not only killed me off on her website, but had talked of killing off most humans because of Planet X, which never did arrive on schedule, either one of them.
As far as I know.
She did get me though.
This is a reality.
Planet X never did hit when she said it would hit.
Now, is Planet X, is it in fact a reality and if so, where is she and when is she coming around the corner?
I don't know.
It is a reality and it does appear to be the cause of the agent.
Well, there's a lot more than Ms.
Leader to say that that may be the case.
Scientists, in fact, have spotted an object that's a burned out sun or a large dark planet.
event and it's very very difficult but there is a passing space body.
Well there is, you know, there's a lot more than Ms. Leder to say that that may be the case.
Scientists in fact have spotted an object that's a burned out sun or a large dark planet.
They don't know what out there.
And then of course there is Mr. Sitchin that I've had the pleasure of interviewing
and there's a lot I think to that and a lot of ancient things say it happened before.
I think that what's so difficult to fathom for me and others is that it's such an infrequent thing in terms of geological time in human history.
Well, human history.
We can't see much further back than 9,000 years in terms of culture.
What happened past that?
Because we all had a culture all of a sudden, magically.
Kind of a cosmic blink of the eye, really, our existence.
Just very short time.
But I think the Hopis are right.
Many cultures are right.
This is the end of the fourth world, the beginning of a new and younger world.
What I have done is remote view.
What will presage and announce the earth turning?
I'd like to know when this is going to happen.
So would I.
And what will presage?
Extreme weather events.
Violent, violent weather events.
Very, very bad.
Gee, isn't it good that we're not having that?
Well, we're not having it the kind of way that I'm seeing it in terms of remote viewing.
It's going to happen.
It's really fast and furious as if the Earth's magnetic field is changing or something like
Oh, that's another good point that we should cover here in a moment, the Earth's magnetic field changing.
But anyway, when you see those kinds of events, really back-to-back and drastic, head for highland.
Well, how much more drastic than we have now?
We have cells doing, I mean, the whole season has been terrifying.
I watch it daily on the maps he's incredible
incredible long nation covering storm fronts and they're producing tornadoes everywhere they go in
destruction in their path all the time that says some other rubble is
being tossed around because it's already rubble just rubble being tossed around
it's horrible what's going on and so if you're saying this is nothing compared to what's coming right on our
first show over seven years ago I told you in that two-hour show
that soon there will be no more seasons and we will not be able to grow crops the way that we've
grown them in the Yes, you did.
And by the way, crops are going to start failing for a number of different reasons, but that's after.
That's next season.
So just get ready.
This is a grand slam and a mass call, and accommodate it.
When you say crops will begin failing next season, that's pinning it down pretty hard.
And it's something you can be called on.
Is this something you, again, just to be sure, Ed, that you remote view, that crops will in fact begin failing next season?
Let me reiterate.
They're beginning to fail now for weather reasons.
But no, not next season necessarily, but very soon they'll begin to fail for other reasons, particularly because of pathological reasons, in terms of mold and fungi.
You still stand by all you've said about something coming out of Africa?
Absolutely.
Totally.
You seem to have been very constant about that.
The reason, Art, is because some things are so big.
For instance, this idea of this pole shift.
Let's use that.
The end of time in terms of the Mayan calendar or whatever.
Oh, is that what you're going to call it?
The end of time?
You do have it written down here on something you sent me.
The end of time.
And I went, huh?
The end of time.
Yeah, I like that term because I used to think the Mayan calendar just ran out of the room around 2012 or so and just stopped there.
But now I realize that was very, very Incorrect.
Literally, for them, the end of one era, the end of the Tulpa, and the beginning of the next.
And it's right about now.
What I think is so interesting is that we're born into this time where it's happening.
That is fascinating.
I mean, lots of, as I've said before, lots of opportunity for character development.
Well, again, not to pick on your timeline problem again, but I mean, how can you know for sure?
Do you know for sure, Ed?
Yes.
You do?
The reason we know is because hundreds of remote viewing sessions looking at individuals' optimum trajectories, what would be most fulfilling to them in terms of vocation, mate, those kinds of things like that, put them all underground.
In other words, their unconscious is saying to them, as well as the collective unconscious, you don't have a trajectory, you don't have a mate, you don't have a vocation, you don't have any of these things unless you survive.
The only way you can survive is to go over here Be in a hole.
Be underground.
Again, something you have said for years and years and years.
That we're going to end up, for some reason, underground.
Or living underground.
To wait out storms.
To wait out storms.
Because, if the Earth turns, not only do you have inundation, but you've got, again, because the coefficient of friction between the atmosphere and the mantle is so loose, You have a few days for all that energy to catch up into the atmosphere.
In the atmosphere, again, think of an egg that's not cooked.
When you spin it really fast on a table, it takes a moment for the shell to start spinning.
Because of the friction, the coefficient of friction.
That's right, yes, yes.
So when all that energy is translated into the atmosphere, the winds are going to pick up.
Now, I've talked to NOAA scientists in Boulder about National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration scientists about this.
I've asked them to do some back-of-the-envelope calculations for me on, let's say, a 12-degree pole shift.
So, essentially, you're going to get 300-mile-an-hour winds picking up and lasting for a week and a half, two weeks, and then dying down gradually.
That's why people are underground.
Well, that'll take things right down to the ground.
If you had a 300-mile-an-hour wind, there are going to be island wipers.
I mean, you know, things that only mainland wipers, whatever a 300-mile-an-hour wind tears over, it takes with it.
I mean, that's it.
I live on the islands.
I live in the Hawaiian Islands, and when even a 130 mile, 120 mile an hour wind is still in the island, Kauai has still never recovered from a storm 15, 20 years ago.
Yes, and further out in the Pacific where typhoons have a longer time to build, I've seen them dealing, Ed, with 200 plus Well, we're not talking planet-wide now, because we don't know the zones of inundation.
We don't know the zones, but we can remove a few sanctuaries.
you can get hit on Wake Island or the Philippines or any of the coastal areas in Southeast Asia
or even Asia can get slammed with just monster typhoons.
Well, we're not talking planet-wide now because we don't know the zones of inundation. We
don't know the zones, but we can remove a few sanctuaries.
We can do that for ourselves and for others. So we know for an instant, and I've said
this many times, one of the places that you need to be are high or very far inland.
There's got to be a lot of fresh water.
There's got to be protection so you can get on the ground.
And you need to be around people that aren't going to rape, plunder, and pillage when the lights go out.
Well, that's another topic and one we should Where are those happy days?
They seem so hard to find.
I tried to reach for you, but you have lost your mind.
They seem so hard to find. I tried to reach for you, but you have lost your mind. Whatever happened to our love? I
wish I understood.
Bye.
It used to be so nice.
Just the face of the moon So when you near me darling
Can't you hear me?
It's so nice I'll tell you what's wrong
Before I get off the ground Go to me now
You're always talking About your crazy nights
But everyday you're Talking crazy nights
Don't break me down I don't know
I'll tell you what's wrong Before I get off the ground
Come to me now Don't break me down
Don't break me down Don't break me down
Don't break me down You're looking good
Just like a stick in the grass One of these days
You're gonna break your glass Don't break me down
Premier Radio Networks presents Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
And now, filling in for George, here's special guest host, Art Bell.
Here I am.
Good morning, everybody.
Of course, Major Dames is here, and we'll try and get some calls this hour if we can.
You've got the numbers, and all you've got to do is pick it up and use it, so we'll fit some questions in.
But in a moment, I have a few more of my own.
Stay right where you are.
I've often wondered about that.
You know, if there was some sort of geographic seismic event that would cause the economy to crash, whether it was a bug that is coming that the major has talked about or anything else, That would cause a major disruption in the force, i.e.
our economy tanking and there being blood in the streets and rape, plunder, and pillage.
I've often wondered, Ed, what kind of percentage of the people would begin engaging in that kind of activity with that kind of news?
You wonder that and you ask it, but I know what's uppermost on your mind right now.
Do you?
Yes, and during the break I just did a little exercise here and I addressed that.
I wanted to know what's uppermost on your mind.
I know that you have a certain agenda to deal with the show, but I wanted to take a look
to see what was really there to show you how practical this could be.
What pray tell have you found?
That antenna of yours hanging right there is such a big thing.
I sketched your antenna.
Well, you know what, Ed?
Okay, we'll get into this in a second, but that's not a hard call, Ed, because I'm talking about almost nothing else.
Yes, you have, but it didn't occur to me that it would be.
I was thinking it would be something like your cat or Ramona or something like that, but there it was.
I sketched this friggin' antenna.
Oh, man, my antenna.
Don't you call my antenna that.
No, it's been an important part.
It's been something I designed.
That's what I used to do when I... Sweated blood over?
If I needed to know if a spy was recruitable, an agent, as a spy master, I needed to know if, let's say, a foreign scientist would be ready to sell out his or her country.
And I had to do these kind of things, use remote... Well, it's not quite on that level.
But yeah, blood, sweat, and tears.
I mean, a good friend of mine says, no project worth doing ever completes itself without Personal injury, you know, and so I've got a lot of myself into this.
Okay, back to your question.
So you've sketched this out, you've looked at it, what do you know?
No, I just know that the darn thing is huge.
I haven't been on your property, but my God, it looks like...
If Premiere ever goes down, they don't have anything to worry about.
You can pick up the programming.
I don't even know where to go from here.
They ain't got nothing on this.
You know, do you want to task it?
Absolutely.
I love challenges, and you know that I do.
Put enough pictures of my antenna up, it's like a baby.
Here, you want to see my antenna?
You might look into why I have this anomalous, incredible voltage on the antenna.
It is a genuine mystery.
Well, I'd be glad to do that.
Yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
See, that's pretty easy to do.
I mean, it wouldn't take more than, let's say, two hours max of my time alone and easier.
But yeah, I'd be glad to do that.
All right.
It's just standing there, and it's not RF.
All right.
Well, that's right.
It certainly isn't.
It's a mixture of AC and DC, and it's about 400 volts, enough to knock you on your butt, because it's knocked me on my butt a few times.
So I've taken care of it.
It's not a big deal now.
I mean, it's shunted to ground, and I'm just using the antenna.
I don't need the pictures.
But it shouldn't have been there in the first place is what you're saying.
No, Ed, it appears to be voltage out of the blue, you know, out of nowhere.
And that's a very interesting prospect. I still have a lot of testing to do.
But yes, it's an intriguing prospect.
And after all, it might even be zero-point energy, something I'll be talking about with tomorrow night's guest.
It might be. Who knows? Who knows what it is?
But it's interesting enough that if you feel like it, Ed, I'll supply you with some pictures.
No, no, no. I don't need the pictures. I already have a chain of custody.
You've told me what it is.
You've taken my intent.
What do you mean, chain of custody?
You've told me.
From my mind to your mind, I have chain of custody on the problem.
And you've explained it to me and articulated it enough that I have no problem knowing what I need to do.
At all.
Well, that should be extremely interesting.
Alright, look.
Back to something that will interest all, and that is, you mentioned We said aliens, and you kind of fluffed over it a little bit by talking about organisms, those which might be coming.
And in fact, they're alien in a way.
But you know what, Ed?
I really want to ask you about aliens, the real thing.
Aliens as in intelligence from another planet.
Not at the microorganism level, but real aliens with real spacecraft visiting here.
Has that happened?
Will that happen?
Is that going to happen?
Is that our future to meet another race from somewhere else?
Is it going to happen?
Yes it is.
It is after this big slam dunk.
We are going to meet another race.
They are coming here.
Will they have any part at all?
In affecting what's going to happen to us in any way, do they even care?
What do we know about them, if anything?
That is the subject of my personal project, Starman, and has been.
Starman specifically seeks, it's geared toward evoking or reducing or eliciting a confrontation with one particular agency.
that affected one particular event in South Africa.
And that's what Starman is focused on.
And we're squeezing as much of our RQ as possible out to elicit this confrontation.
And it turns out that people are the key.
Every time we've been in the field to attempt to gain contact
with this particular agency, we've brought instruments and some of the best scientists in the world.
And what this agency has done, this alien agency has done, is tweak our instruments.
Whatever we brought in, it's tweaked our instruments, whether it's been infrared or ultraviolet or
electromagnetic in any way, shape, or form, or microwave,
it's turned those instruments on.
So it's just playing with us.
So we've learned a lot in the last 10 years about what to do
and what not to do and how to elicit contact.
People are key.
People and knowing where to go.
Because if you don't know where to go, they know that you don't know.
How to do what they need for you to do, which is, for all intents and purposes, how to use consciousness to contact them.
You have to find a place where they will meet, and you have to bring the right people there.
Are either animal mutilations, the two most inexplicable continuing reliable phenomena we have, animal mutilations and crop circles, Frequently mentioned together, I think for that reason.
They're both totally inexplicable right now, unless there's some sort of perhaps alien involvement or spiritual involvement that is truly beyond our understanding.
Are they connected to an alien presence?
They're connected to an oversight, yeah.
What you can call, let's call it extraterrestrial.
I really hesitate to use the word alien.
Let's call it extraterrestrial for now, okay?
They are indeed connected to the same agency, and the message is being lost in the meaning.
By that I mean, in no uncertain terms, these elaborate, beautiful, sculpted agroglyphs and these very elaborate, laid out, butchered calves and cows are very noticeable.
They're getting our attention, correct?
They certainly are.
Now, what's the meaning of those two things?
What would be the meaning of a very elaborate crop circle to you?
My thinking about crop circles is that many of them I have seen.
In fact, a couple being previewed tomorrow night are more examples.
I mean, there is no way in hell, Ed, that they were done by human beings.
There's no way.
I can't take it much further than that.
What would it mean to the farmer?
A pain in the butt.
Why?
Because people would come and trample through his field.
It's happened time and time again.
Some farmers won't even report it because they're so sick of people trampling their fields and their crops down.
And if there were no people to come, if the farmer didn't report it, what would be the meaning to the farmer?
Smosh sweet?
Yeah, an annoyance, I suppose.
Probably not a whole lot more.
I mean, I doubt that it decimates a large percentage of the crop, it appears.
Some of them do.
Some of them take out a lot of wheat, a lot of sorghum.
Okay, he's going to be angry.
Yeah, because the meaning, if you strip away all the elaborate aesthetics, you have smashed crop.
And the meaning to a cattle rancher or a dairyman who has lost what their prize animal is what?
They don't care about aliens or anything like that.
They have just lost meat.
That's right.
So that's the message.
And dead crops.
That's what's coming.
It's a forecast of what's to come.
No crops.
Oh, you think it's that direct message?
Yes, I do.
Alright, stop again and ask you, is this something you know as a result of what you have remote viewed?
Yes, it is.
Okie doke.
So you're saying that the meaning of crop circles, the meaning of animal mutilations, is as simple as it appears.
The ruination The death of crops, the trampling of crops, and the death of me.
I couldn't put it any better myself.
Funny thing, Ed.
I never stopped to imagine it might mean something that literal.
Neither did I. I had the remote viewer.
But our attention, whatever is out there, You can't land and lay it out to us.
For some reason, it has to use these parables.
Okay, if that's the message, then why the intricate designs?
Why not just flatten some fields?
I mean, then you really get the blunt message through, I suppose.
It could be equally construed as being human.
Because they're so intricate, because they're so amazing, so many of them, The human brain naturally wants to attribute a more complicated message to them.
Yes, exactly.
It's what we reach out to try and do, to try and make sense of things.
I never even for a second thought, well, it just means that crops are going to get smashed.
And as an attention-getting device, yes.
If they kept doing the same thing all the time.
Look, for instance, UFOs, flying saucers.
Yes?
If that phenomenon did not change its appearance, by the same agency, the controlling agency.
We would just look up and not pay any attention to it anymore because the novelty would be lost.
We'd fall into an ennui, well known in experimental psychology.
Novelty acts as a stimulus.
But it morphs.
One day it's a torpedo shape, one day a triangular, one day this, one day that, one day a chupacabra here, one day a Bigfoot there.
The message is we're not alone.
That's the message.
That's the blunt message there, too.
We are here.
And Hollywood well knows this.
You better not do the same thing every movie.
Make it bigger, louder, more.
Today, blow up a bus.
Tomorrow, a city.
Then a planet.
Then a galaxy.
You know, that kind of stuff.
You've got to do something better or you'll lose your audience.
Then we better get ready for some really big show in the skies, because after all, we have the Phoenix Lights and, you know, pretty spectacular things like that, whatever they were.
I agree.
I agree.
Get ready.
Get ready.
Do you have any idea of how it might manifest itself when it really lets go, with the next spectacular, you know, four or five times from now, when it really lets go?
Well, because it's a real phenomenon, we can actually remote view it.
We can look at the next sequences of events.
Yes.
We have to actually do it.
It would be fun to do it, but it would just be fun.
Unfortunately, I don't have precious little time to have fun these days.
I mean, it would be interesting to know that something will make an appearance over Washington or New York or, you know, something really massive or, you know, the old saucer on the White House south lawn thing or whatever.
There's so many of them, though.
I actually am more interested in the voltage on your antenna than I am.
I don't know why.
I mean, this is a very interesting question.
We are being visited.
I would like to know why.
I'd like to understand what it is that motivates those who visit us, their intentions toward us.
I told George Nury this when I did a show with him.
Project Starman is centered around one specific event and that's at the Ariel School in 1996 in Zimbabwe.
John Mack was there to interview the school children.
They were called out somehow into the woods to confront a typical CE3, Close Encounter of the Third Kind.
That event is that I want to gain contact with the agency that orchestrated that particular event, not all of the various and sundry sightings and all those other close encounters of the second kind.
I want those guys.
The organization that orchestrated the event?
I want the agency that orchestrated that because they sent a message to these children, these young school children, and it was essentially, your planet is dying and we're very sad.
All the school companies came back and John Mack interviewed each one in very controlled
conditions and I got to see the original tape which didn't make it out to the public.
That had a big effect on me.
So I'm concentrating on getting behind the orchestrators and the engineers of that particular
event only.
Does the remote viewing that you've done, Ed, lead to the same catastrophic conclusion
that our planet is dying?
It's going to go fallow for a while.
The Garden is going to go fallow for a while.
Yeah, that conclusion.
And it's not going to be pretty as we go through the transition, Mad Max scenarios and things like that.
But it will eventually end in something that is pretty.
And there will be another race here to help us rebuild, which is good.
I know, but if you talk too much about the bright side on the other end there, wherever in the world that is, then you're going to sound like the New Agers.
Hey, I resemble that.
So I understand that somewhere down the timeline it's all going to be great and we're going to be walking around holding hands and there will be no nations and borders and no sickness and death and disease and taxes and whatever.
Right.
I don't know about taxes.
But sometime between now and then there's going to be some pretty rough We focus on who we are a lot, our mind, what we think, but we don't know what we are.
time in the old town tonight.
Not pretty.
Not pretty.
But you know, what are we?
We focus on who we are a lot, our mind, what we think, things like that.
But we don't know what we are.
We put the precious little time on what we are.
And if we were to address the what at that level, you can't talk about it because we
We're so vocally expressive left brain creatures.
We don't really get down to the essence of what we are.
We spend most of the time on who we are because the what stays and the who goes.
We don't nurture the what.
If we did, then the world would change pretty much pretty fast.
That's why I wanted to teach children.
I want them to know the limits of mind.
Remote cuing, for instance, is a very powerful mind tool, but we're not all mind.
There's another part of us and you can't go there using your mind.
When you go there, I'm using that term very loosely, you can't transmit using words to other people what you are at that level.
We give short shrift to it unless you're a yogi or an enlightened being.
Is there, can you give us any clue about some of those larger questions, Ed?
I mean, who are we, and what are we, and why are we here?
It seems to me remote viewing would look at these questions.
Oh yeah, very much so.
The planet is a garden.
That's why there's not going to be a massive nuclear war.
A nuclear slugfest is not going to be allowed.
We are a garden.
We are a garden, and souls are being harvested from the garden.
That's so familiar.
Somebody named John Lear told me that so many years ago and I cringed then and I cringe now.
We're a garden and the crop is souls.
That's right.
And there would seem to be some ongoing dispute about who's the gardener.
There may be some poker playing on another level.
Who knows?
Well, I'm talking about now the concept of good and evil, God and the devil and Lucifer.
The two poker players.
Yeah, that's right.
The two poker players.
Who's holding the winning hand?
I don't know.
It's outside of our can heart.
We really can't.
We don't have that kind of power to know that.
We're just pawns.
But there is intelligence, and they're sending us messages about what we're doing to ourselves, right?
There is.
Our pretenders, yes, appear to be doing that.
All right.
will be right back I'm a man of my word, it's like magic
Oh, holding and riding and slipping and sliding, it's magic And you, can't you see that I'm right here with you
Higher and higher, baby, it's a living thing He came by today, cause he was telling everyone in town
Of the love that he had found, and the reasoning of his latest flame
He taught and taught and I heard him say That she had the longest, whitest hair
The prettiest green eyes anywhere And the reasoning of his latest flame
Oh I smiled at tears inside of a burn I wished him luck and he said it'd be fine
He was gone but still his works kept me checking One last list that I needed to find
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Good morning.
The sun has raced across the continent of Europe and Africa and the Pacific Ocean, and the sun is presently coming up in eastern Canada in the state of Maine, going into the gray area just prior to dawn, probably about now, in Maine.
And Major Dames is here this morning.
And, Major, I've got an email here that I should read, came in during the show, from Mike and Juan, I believe it is.
Just heard the Major say that he'll See the pole shift in his lifetime, but not sure about you.
What the heck does he know that you might want to know?
And I presume the intent of this email is to suggest that perhaps my lifetime is not consistent with yours in terms of spam, but I don't want to know that myself.
I'm going to leave that part of it alone and simply ask you what you know about a pole shift 12 degrees, you said, 300 mile an hour winds, you said.
First of all, I said that was a joke.
I know, I heard you laugh.
Number two, I said, hypothetically, a pole shift of 12 degrees, which when we do, when professionals sketch this particular event, this wobble, this precess, It is a ballpark figure of 12 degrees.
That's why I took 12 degrees to NOAA for their calculation.
We've already, in a worrisome kind of way, we've seen the pole wandering around a little bit.
Magnetic North has taken some weird jaunts lately.
It could be related to the sunspot activity or who knows what all, but it's done some pretty strange things of recent days.
The core of the Earth is changing.
The core is changing.
The core of the Earth is changing.
And whether or not that's linked to solar activity, I'm not sure yet, but the core is changing.
We keep looking at the superficial stuff, but it's actually the core of the Earth that's changing.
Hmm.
Just like Gordon Michael Scullion.
Alright, I've got some calls lined up.
People would like to ask you varying questions, so let's take the plunge.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames and Art Bell.
Hey.
Hello.
First time caller on the line, are you there?
Good morning.
Yes, good morning, sir.
Yes, sir.
Good to have you back, Art.
Thank you.
And thank you, Major Ed Ames, for being there.
Pleasure is mine.
I have a question for you dealing with Planet X. Have you had an opportunity to talk to that Dr. James McKinney that George Norrie talked with?
Negative, I have not.
All right.
I was wondering Since he has gone into this in depth, and he has presented a great deal of material, very upfront, very honest, and he is not a mouthpiece of the government.
He's being very straightforward.
I was wondering if there would be any possibility in the future, if you would be able to talk with him, and if you could give an update further down the road, on future details and information.
All right, sir, let me interrupt you.
This guest, whoever it was, I'm sorry, I don't know myself, does say that Planet X is real and so forth and so on.
Is that the upshot?
Yes, sir, it's very real.
All right, well then, all you really need to know is what Ed also says, that Planet X is a reality, right Ed?
Correct.
It is reality, but You wouldn't be comfortable, I take it, in saying that June 1st, and then June 15th, and July 14th, or whatever it is, the latest date, Planet X is going to collide, and it's that close?
No, I would not.
No.
It's in our lifetime, and I would say any time between now... That's why I'm very suspect about the Mayan calendar.
It's very intriguing.
They appeared to have been in touch with something and didn't have a lot of...
Connecting rods and vortex generators and fax machines to worry about.
So they had time on their hands to connect with something else.
And I think they were connecting with this timeline that's more accurate than ours.
So you attach significant meaning to the end of the Mayan calendar beyond the fact that they just said, well, you know, that's far enough.
What the hell?
Or they ran out of space.
Well, yeah.
On their steely.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dain.
Hello.
Hello.
I want to talk to both of you.
Evan from Seattle.
Yo, Evan.
Hey, my question is concerning the Anthrax case of a while back.
Last I heard, you all but handed the guy to the FBI.
I believe it was a faculty member.
Penn State, is that correct?
Yeah.
College of Agriculture.
Okay.
And it seems that they've gone another direction or are searching at the bottom of lakes and whatnot.
I just wanted to get your take on that, and also, I wonder if you think that that is the man.
All right, in other words... I wonder if you think that that is the man.
All right, in other words, the man... All I can say at this juncture is that he was one of our own.
He was a graduate student working for someone I knew, whose name I cannot mention, that was the last member The offensive of this country's offensive biological warfare program that was stopped in 1972.
That's all I can say.
Can you say anything about the motivation of the person who sent out this poisonous terrorism?
Why?
Yeah, we actually did a study, a psychological profile of this guy.
He was resentful.
There's a lot to this art.
I really don't want to go into the profile, but it's the profile of a typical disgruntled employee.
It's sort of like going postal using another mechanism.
Is it like the occasional bad seed fireman that sets a fire?
Yes, very much so.
It's like that?
Yeah, it's that simple as well as that strange.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
Hello there.
Thank you very much, Art.
You bet.
Art, this is Connor.
I was at your Portland class.
Oh, yes.
I wanted to ask a question about Lucifer.
I noticed a long time ago, I remember Ed mentioning that he remote-viewed Lucifer.
Did you dismiss your former student, Aaron Donahue, because of his views on Lucifer, contradicting your views on Christianity?
He had to deal with and fix in his life, and it was causing causing problems in the field, had to deal with and fix in
his life and it was causing causing problems in the field.
The the the viewing of Lucifer itself I have long
maintained Ed and I still do now that that it affected you.
That you did not come out the same as Dames that went into Remote View Lucifer.
I noted a change in your personality.
I heard it.
I felt it.
I heard it in the intonation of your voice and the way you put things and said things.
Everything was cold and beautiful as ice.
Crystalline beauty, but ice cold like it could absorb your soul if you were near it
Just like a vacuum cleaner right into it. That's the only metaphor I could use
To describe this thing and it's like, you know, I do not want to be around it beautiful just beautiful
crystalline type of entity in the mind I But that if you were near it would suck the soul right out
from you and you become part of it a very cold beauty
Ice, ice, ice, crystalline beauty, yeah.
What?
Having described that though, again, you were affected, Ed.
You had to know that in some manner you were profoundly and perhaps permanently affected.
It created a kind of a sadness in me that I really didn't want to know there was something
like that in our part of the universe.
And an eternal type of a thing like that.
What was the question?
I would have preferred a monad, just a creator and a loving universe and that kind of thing.
I didn't want to find things like this, but very, very significant, powerful, not just an idea, it did have a form.
So I know it's more than just an archetype or an idea per se.
You still haven't answered the question.
What was the question?
The question was about the change in you.
I've never felt that amount of power before in anything that I've ever looked at, whether as a remote viewer or as
a 2-Eyed Reader.
You're still not answering the question.
The question is whether there was a profound, without even having to describe it, Ed, but a profound and perhaps even permanent change in you after that viewing.
What do you mean by change?
I don't know.
In who you are, and the way you present yourself, and the things you say, and the way you say them, and your outlook on things, and a change in you.
How else can I put it?
There's a helplessness, yeah.
I feel I'm more helpless than I've ever felt before when I think about that.
After being in the presence of that kind of power?
After being, yes, in the ideational presence of that.
It's one of the few times in my career Whereas, for instance, when I was looking at what was uppermost in your mind during the break, you didn't know at the conscious level that I was remote peeing.
At an unconscious level, you do, but it didn't matter.
It was such an insignificant thing.
But this thing did.
It knew I was looking at it.
Yes.
Unimaginable.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Good morning.
Art?
Yes, hello.
Hi.
Hi.
I have tried to email you about Yes.
And I just don't feel, I pretty much know now, and there was a lady that called in on
the show about the Ice Age, and she said, they're putting a gel and causing the drought.
They're putting a gel in the sky and causing the drought.
Well, yeah.
It's called Dynagel, and it absorbs 2,000 times its weight in moisture, and it rains
when it gets to the ocean.
When it gets to the salt air, it causes it to rain.
They've been doing it for six years.
And by putting extra weight up there, it causes tornadoes, and it causes all sorts of different
For instance, the jet streams change and scientists don't know why.
Well, duh!
You can't put weight in the atmosphere like that.
And the plane, when I flew to California, and they're doing it in California too, and when I flew to California, I could kind of smell the motor heat up because it's going through that extra weight.
Alright, let's boil this down and turn it around as a question for Major Danes, because it's one thing that I've asked about over a long period of time, that until extremely recently, the Major hasn't commented on, and that's what the chemtrails, what they are, what he knows about the chemtrails, that's one you've always dodged quite quickly, Major.
Any care to comment?
Suppose you don't know where the next missile is coming from.
As a tactician, this has been our problem for the last 20 years.
Now all of a sudden a rogue state can get a hold of a missile, whether it's North Korea or whether it's the Russian mafia along with the Ukrainian military commander launching one or whatever.
You don't know where it's coming from, so you need a global defense.
And let's say, unfortunately, that your global defense, let's say for some reason you needed to modify the atmosphere, but that it would ensure that you could defend yourself against an attack from anywhere.
Let's just say that.
Let's say it.
Okay, let's say it.
But unfortunately, you erased the last 2.5 billion years of ozone layer development.
When you do that, you screw around with that.
So in a matter of six to eight years time, You're monkeying with something that took 2.5 billion years to achieve homeostasis and equilibrium.
That's not good.
In the short term, you accomplished your objective, but you may have done it in spite of yourself.
That's a hypothetical situation.
A hypothetical, yes.
So, we are indeed trying to toy about with Mother Nature and try and change weather conditions.
Negative.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is it has nothing to do with changing or modifying the weather.
It may be something else.
But is that one effect of it?
Yes, but it's an artifact.
An unfortunate consequence, an epiphenomenon of this.
Well, I know, but a pretty significant one, since we've got our planet here on very small margins, you know?
It would be like treating a patient with chemotherapy or radiation therapy.
It has some side effects, hair fallout, lethargy, that kind of thing.
Okay.
They said that the cure may be worse than the disease.
Right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hi.
I think I know how he could, what he could revoke you to give him his little window before the nuclear bomb goes off.
And?
And it's this.
If he revoked views, the price of gold No, just because you're doing it with silver now.
No, I chuckled, but it's really quite a good idea.
You start at $350 like it is today, and you say, OK, will the price of gold be above or below $400 or above $400, say, by July 15th?
Yeah, it's a great indicator.
If you do that, you can go up or down.
We can't do that.
What if you were to look and see the price of gold at $12 or $13?
Well, you're just going 15 days out.
Alphanumeric and calendrical time are abstract.
The price, for instance.
What am I saying?
What am I saying? $1,000, $1,200, $1,300, $1,400.
$1,000, $1,200, $1,300, $1,400.
The idea...
Ed, do you have a radio on in the background? Or somebody did.
The idea of price is a totally abstract thing.
Why in the case of gold though, Ed?
If there's a disaster, if something awful happens, the price of gold is going to go right up through the roof.
It always happens, always.
I understand, but what I'm saying is we can describe as remote viewers events that deal with physical things and emotions, but the idea of price has no meaning in the collective unconscious.
It's totally an abstract idea.
Is that right?
The idea of money is abstract.
Why is that abstract?
I mean, what does that mean?
If the idea of money is abstract 20 years from now, then that means there's not the same world at all that we have now.
That's not what I mean.
The idea of, let's say, calendrical time, Tuesday.
What does Tuesday mean?
What does $15 mean?
It's a construct, and all that it means is itself.
It's a tautology.
There's no way to describe Tuesday for a remote viewer, as opposed to the source or the origin of the voltage buildup on your antenna, which is a physical thing.
Yes.
So, no matter how you might look, you would not be able to gauge, say, what the price of gold is going to be at any particular moment in the future that you might look at.
Is that correct?
No, we can gauge its ups and downs in the future and the concatenation of ups and downs, but only in terms of physical phenomenon or emotional phenomenon.
Physical is much better for technical reasons.
Price is meaningless to us.
Meaningless.
So, in this world in which you go fishing for information, We'll not give you information on that sort of thing, which you say is utterly meaningless in that realm.
Abstract.
That's right.
We have to go after physical phenomena and physical things, tangible things.
We can describe physical things using abstract words, whatever we have in our lexicon or our thesaurus in our memory, but we can't do it the other way around.
Can you look at the near future and see if Point Sur is still where it's supposed to be?
Yes.
Above water?
Yeah, we can do things like that.
We can look at near-term or qualifier search terms somewhat, with a temporal qualifier.
All right.
Listen, show's ending, so you're going to be in a few cities coming up, and what's the phone number again for information?
Our workshops are toll-free, 1-866-607-8439, or go to remoteviewing2003.com.
Tell your kids, readyourparentsmind.com and readyourteachersmind.com.
Watch those sites.
I wonder who picked the title of that one.
ReadYourTeachersMind.com.
All right, Ed, it's been a pleasure as always, and when I'm back next, well, who knows, we'll talk to you again for sure.
Okay, stop by this weekend if you want.
Later, Ed.
See you tomorrow night with Mr. Hutchinson and Linda Moulton Howe.
It'll be quite a night till then from the high desert.
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