Art Bell’s Coast to Coast AM explores time travel claims, from Steve’s childhood precognitive visions—later monetized via 121% interest during market crashes—to a caller’s 1960s film reel "flashback" and a 2045 scenario where humanity regresses into tribal telepathy. A Nevada doctor’s alleged "phone booth" time machine, his suicide, and a caller’s lightning-induced out-of-body slip suggest interdimensional experiments, while Wiccan Kimberly and "Pentium killer" callers link tech disruptions to metaphysical forces. Princeton’s consciousness research and déjà vu incidents at a 1970s riding clinic hint at shared past-future perception. Bell muses whether these accounts reveal reality as a fractal loop or humanity’s hidden future selves revisiting the past. [Automatically generated summary]
There was one thread that was consistent in my email all day long was do a time traveler line.
It's been a long time since anybody's done that well.
No problem.
I'm not that hard to convince on this subject, as you know.
Therefore, I will dedicate one line.
All the others are just open letter rip talk radio, but one line I'm dedicating to time.
Now, what do I mean by that?
We'll get more into detail about it, but basically it's reserved for those who claim to have actually traveled in time.
Now, that's pretty loose, but close enough.
For those who have actually traveled in time.
That number is Area Code 775-727-1222.
Now, no matter what the guy with the deep voice says regarding first-time callers, that line is tonight reserved away for people who actually claim to have traveled in time.
And that number again is Area Code 775-727-1222.
It is of particular interest to me, covering something we covered last night.
This incredible new antenna that I put up.
This is the mother of all antennas.
It's a big, giant thousand-foot loop times two, with one being at 70 feet, one being at 63 feet, and a circumference of 1,000 feet.
It's a really big antenna with unusual properties, producing about 400 volts right now.
There are photographs on the coast2coastam.com website of the antenna that I was telling you about.
Very exciting.
Got it up just yesterday, actually.
Let's see, was it yesterday?
Yes, no, the day before, actually the night before in the dark.
It was pretty incredible.
Anyway, I got a million emails about this.
Thank you all very much.
Here's one from Ken, W6MRN.
He's a ham.
Ahi, Arn, I've been keeping tabs on your signal strength here in Tahunga.
After the second added loop, due to the current instability of the ionosphere, due to the barrage of CMEs, that's from the sun, right, folks?
Coronal mass ejections.
It's difficult to gauge at this point because of that, but my first impression is that the signal is more consistent.
In other words, less frequent.
QSB dips.
It's now at plus 30 to 35.
And he goes on and on about my signal.
Thank you very much.
He says, with regard to your antenna, I suspect that you have discovered the very same thing that others have observed.
Shall we probe the secrets, in quotes, the secrets of our early protege, the one and only Nikola Tesla?
Of late, we've had very high levels of interplanetary magnetic field values.
Could this be the cutting of the magnetic lines of force flowing in and out of the planet?
We know that very high levels of magnetic disturbances from the sun cause disruptions.
In other words, popping of circuit breakers of high voltage inner-city long-distance transmission lines from time to time and so forth.
Yes, indeed.
Ken, I think it's entirely possible that we should be looking toward Nikola Tesla and what he was doing in answer to what I'm experiencing.
I don't know yet.
Maybe not.
Maybe there's some very conventional explanation for the voltage that ought not be there.
Certainly a lot more research about it is in order.
Especially now with the addition of this second wire and the additional voltage, it's crazy.
We're further away from any induction from the power line, so I don't know.
It's a mystery.
And then there's also WB6OHK, another ham, says he knows the area and says there's an Iron Mountain south of me, that's in Perum about here, that occasionally shoots lightning bolts, he says, in the ionosphere.
In March of 1955, two of us spent a month based in Peram prospecting for uranium.
We had a super cub and a Jeep stayed at a retired prospector's home out in the countryside, southwest of the only store there at the time.
That's true, there used to be one here.
It had a dirt road, and we staked down tie ropes for the cub and parked it next to the miner's home.
His name was Rusty.
He taught us how to use dynamite.
We had an airborne scintillator and another handheld two.
We traveled all over the Prump Valley.
When we took the Jeep or the airplane to Las Vegas, we noticed one particular mountain shoots bolts up into the sky over 15 Times.
We saw it 15 times.
Have you noticed it?
No.
I sent an email to NASA when the shuttle went down telling them about the mountain that could have been the bolt through it.
Viewers in Eastern California reported a blue streak from the shuttle as it passed over the mountain at this time.
That's true.
They did.
I'm not certain it was this, but he says, anyway, this iron mountain is the source of a tremendous electrical field.
And your antenna, by the way, is at the northern side of that electrical field.
The bigger antenna, the more voltage you'll pick up.
Yes, well, obviously.
And then I was considering the bigger questions that were asked by or attempted to be answered by last night's guest from Ng from London.
It was an interesting guest, but he was quoting everybody else in the world, and yet his central message seemed to be, there is no God.
No, that's wrong.
There is a God, but he doesn't care.
That simplified, that's what it boils down to.
That's what he was saying.
There's God, but he doesn't care.
If we blow our own heads off, if we destroy ourselves in nuclear warfare, if we do well, or if we do poorly or become extinct, he doesn't care.
Basically, he's a creator.
He's not paying any attention.
I don't know if I can buy that.
But, you know, despite the fact that he was shuffling papers around, looking for quotes from other people to talk to me, there were a couple of things that came up last night that really caught my attention.
We were talking about the really big question, right?
Like, hey, dad, how high is the sky?
You know, the extend, when you extend that, of course, becomes where is the end of everything?
It's all about space and time, right?
We now look out with telescopes to 15 billion miles plus light years, I guess I ought to say.
That's a lot of miles.
Light years out, 15 billion light years out when it all began.
If it all began, we were talking about that.
Well, what happened?
Was there a big bang?
He rather seemed to think so.
I was trying to pry his views out of all of this massive data that he had.
He seemed to think so.
But again, his central message would appear to have been, if you listen closely, that there's a God, but he just doesn't much care.
But as we move through that discussion last night, one thing really caught my attention, and I guess I said it myself, really.
I came after him and I said, hey, what if all of this is an oscillation?
Oscillation, I think he might have mentioned the word oscillation.
I took off from there.
Have you ever pointed a camera at a monitor?
What you could see, if you had resolution sufficient to display it, you could see infinity.
It's feedback.
It's oscillation.
It's feedback.
And maybe that is the answer to everything.
There is no real beginning, and there is no real end.
There is only oscillation, constant change.
And so maybe everything is, in essence, a big circle, an infinite circle.
Try pointing a camera at a monitor sometime, and of course you will see the little tiniest picture of the monitor with the camera about a million light years away.
You know, the smallest thing that the monitor is capable of displaying, it constantly echoes itself.
It is a feedback loop.
And what I'm suggesting is, I guess, that one possible answer to the conundrum of, you know, did it begin?
One possible answer is it'll do all of that because it's nothing but one big oscillation, one big loop back upon itself.
I'm not sure if that's going to register with all of you or not, but I'm suggesting that as an answer to, you know, probably one of the biggest questions in the whole world, right?
Who are we?
How'd we get here?
What's out there?
That's a biggie.
So I thought I would suggest that to you, and you might have some comments.
Remember, that one line there.
See, I see it going now like crazy.
That time traveler line.
That's area code 775-727-1222.
It's a very simple number, but it's only, only for those of you that claim to have traveled in time.
And perhaps travel in time is possible, even if my explanation of this oscillation, of this never-ending feedback, even if that's the nature of everything, it still might be possible, certainly, to travel in that never-ending loop.
And all things eventually, if we don't blow ourselves to smithereens, are going to become possible, and one of those would be time travel.
And if indeed one day it becomes possible, then there would be time travelers here now.
Or at least there would be a very high likelihood that there could be and would be.
Whether they'd be vacationing, sort of time slumming as depicted in some movies, or whether they're here to change things, if that's possible.
That's another whole discussion, right?
They'd be here, though.
And they might be willing to speak out.
Now, only you can be the judge of the veracity of what you hear.
You know, I mean, we hear some pretty strange things on here, right?
The rest of the lines are all open lines.
So I don't know what we're going to get.
One thing I would like to ask you to keep to a minimum is I understand that you all want to say, my God, it's great to hear your voice, and it's been a long time, and it has, you know, and so, but if you would, for the sake of the continuity of the program, not do that, you know, so I understand why Rush did what he did.
If you want to say dittos or whatever you come up with, say that rather than everything else.
Now, listen very carefully.
When I tell you we live in strange times, disease, action from the sun, action from the ground, earthquakes, tornadoes, more than we've ever had.
We do live in strange times.
Right now, the sun is attacking us.
Let me read you a little bit of this.
A recent series of three major flares have been observed from the sun.
All of these flares have been from a complex sunspot near the region at the center of the solar disk.
The flare events all reached R3 level on the NOAA radio blackout scale.
In addition, an S2 solar radiation storm is in progress in association with a major flare activity.
G3 geomagnetic storms can lead to problems with electrical power systems, including the need for voltage corrections, the triggering of false alarms on some protective devices.
These storms can also affect spacecraft operations, including surface charging on satellite components, increases in drag for low Earth orbiting satellites.
It actually slows them down and could even put them in danger of re-entering.
Corrections for orientation problems.
Attitude effects include intermittent satellite navigation and low-frequency radio navigation problems, intermittent HF radio and aurora as low as Illinois and Oregon.
R3 radio blackouts result in widespread HF radio communication outages on the day side of the Earth and can also degrade low frequency navigation signals.
S2 solar radiation storms can lead to infrequent single event upsets in spacecraft operations.
Small effects on HF propagation through the polar regions, possible small effects on navigation at polar cap locations.
That's all going on right now.
We are in an 11-year solar cycle.
We're always in an 11-year solar cycle, folks.
You know, upside, downside, whatever.
We're always in it.
And this one should be on the wane.
Very much on the wane right now.
Cycle 23 should be pooping out, but instead, the sun is going berserk at the moment.
So kind of interesting times, I would say.
A little bit of news.
After 11 days at Orange, the national terrorism alert level has been dropped the notch to yellow.
This is after officials determined the threat of imminent al-Qaeda strikes had diminished.
And they base all this on the amount of chatter they hear going on out there.
You know, Al-Qaeda operatives presumably talking to other al-Qaeda operatives.
Saying things like, who knows?
The time to strike is now something.
Anyway, they've lowered it.
China is denying any SARS cover-up whatsoever.
They didn't cover anything up.
China says they didn't.
A top Chinese health official denied claims that Beijing tried to hide the seriousness of the SARS virus, saying Friday, the government warned about SARS as early as February.
And early efforts to fight it were slowed by poor information.
They say it's an encouraging sign.
The World Health Organization said Friday it'll remove Singapore from the list of countries affected by the SARS virus because now they've gone the requisite 20 days with no new cases.
Now the war.
You know, I still am not really sure why we fought the war.
I'm very glad that our troops did impeccable manner that they did.
And of course, they really did do their job.
You've got to give them that.
They did a hell of a job.
But you know, I don't know why we fought the war.
And I still don't.
And look at this today, Washington, May 30th.
The United States on Friday announced a major expansion of so far fruitless efforts to find chemical or biological arms in Iraq, forming a team now, get this, of 1,400 U.S., British, and Australian experts who are going to take up the hunt in Iraq.
The Pentagon named Army Major General Keith Dayton to head the new Iraq survey group, which is going to go and try to find alleged arms that Washington cited as its main justification for the invasion of Iraq in March that toppled President Saddam Hussein.
Or at least his statue there on the horse, that toppled.
No such weapons have been found.
And the move was announced just hours after Lieutenant General James Conway, the top U.S. Marine officer in Iraq, said U.S. intelligence was, quote, simply wrong, end quote, in leading the military to believe that the invading troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons.
Holy smokes.
I mean, you think about that for a second.
For a lieutenant general to say something like that is probably, possibly career-threatening, I would think.
Wouldn't you?
That was, after all, the U.S., but it's why we fought that war.
To protect against the possibility that they had, or I guess, the assurance that they had weapons of mass destruction, that they probably had the intent to use them against us and or give them to terrorists who would use them against us.
That's why we said we fought the war.
And so if you're a lieutenant general and you make a statement like this, I don't know.
You're probably in trouble.
Let's look at it again.
No such weapons have been found.
And the move was announced just hours after Lieutenant General James Conway, the top U.S. Marine officer in Iraq, said U.S. intelligence was, quote, simply wrong, end quote, in leading the military to believe that the invading troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons.
So, I wasn't really sure before the war why we fought the war.
And I'm still not sure why we fought the war.
It's easier to believe, and I know the whole conspiracy thing about oil, right?
We fought it for oil.
I did hear we're establishing four permanent military bases in Iraq.
That'd be right in the middle of the Middle East influence area, right?
That could not have been our reason, right?
Oil, well, we always deny that we say that's not the reason why we had the war, right?
Not oil.
It was the information on weapons of mass destruction.
Right now, the top military guy in Iraq says, uh-uh, that all the deep thinkers in Intel were wrong.
So, I don't know.
Anyway, I'm glad.
I'm certainly glad we won.
All right, open lines are ahead, and that means absolutely anything.
And I have no idea what that could be.
I'm Art Bell.
unidentified
You'll stay where you are and buckle in, please.
Someone could take your face And if you get hurt, if you get hurt I'm a little fake.
Ain't got no trouble in my life.
No foolish dream to make me cry.
I'm never frightened or worried.
I know I always get by.
I love cool down.
Don't forget my way up.
Let me get me down.
Take it the way that I found it.
I got music in me.
Yeah.
I got music in me.
They say that life is a circle.
Circle.
I got music in me.
Premier Radio Networks presents Coast to Coast AM with George Norton.
And now, filling in for George, here's special guest host, Art Beth.
Now, I suppose that it would be fair to suggest that a large percentage of the callers who are going to call the time traveler line are yanking our chains.
And they probably are.
However, I am so convinced that time travel is real and that time travelers are out there that I do think only you can be the judge.
And of course, I will sit here and judge as well as we listen about the veracity of the color.
But I'm telling you, they're out there.
And if we have to go through nine strange ones to get to one real one, and we really do get to one real one, then it's worth it.
And I think I've had in the past some real ones online when it comes to time travel.
So let's make a first effort and say, on the special time traveler line, you're on the air.
Yeah, well, the reason why I know this was time travel was because as I progressed through this dream over the last 52 years, like I said, I'm pushing 60.
Okay, I understand that, and I understand you probably have a good reason for thinking he works miracles, and sometimes it seems like he does, but he also works mysteriously.
Well, see, that's, you know, let me get as dramatic on my side as you're getting.
Let's face it, you know, millions of Jews, you know, went into gas chambers.
So then are you saying that when bad things happen, it's our free will.
When good things happen, it's God's hand intervening.
unidentified
No, not particularly not in good deeds or good ways.
I believe that, I mean, give an example, I have a cousin in Chicago who's on I mean who's been having seizures and spells for the last year and he's been just bedridden and there's been a lot of grief on my mom's side of the family, especially my aunt, because she's the mother of my cousin.
Yes.
You know, there's a lot of things that, but that's what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about mysterious ways that God can work through.
Some meteorologists did a study with dust storms in the Middle East being carried into the stratosphere and staying there until it precipitated.
Now, when the bacterium that was brought to the stratosphere would drop down through the precipitation, then that bacteria would be accountable for disease.
It's in The Lancet, very well-respected medical journal in Britain.
And they are finding stuff coming to us from space.
They recovered biomaterial at high altitudes that only could have come from space.
Now, we are constantly being bombarded by ice in the form of varying things that hit the Earth, you know.
Piece of a comet, a little tiny cometary piece.
It's water, you know, it's actually water.
And inside that water, there could be bacteria that once they hit the atmosphere and things are a little warmer and nicer, why, they begin to percolate.
So it could be that SARS came from the stars, and it could be that anything drops on us at any minute like SARS.
Okay, like, here you go.
Surprise.
Here, deal with this.
You know, is that intervention?
Is that one from the hand of God?
Or does it have something to do with free will?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes, hi, Arab.
This is Grace from Eugene, Oregon.
Yes.
I'd like to let you know that I've been affected by an alien.
You have two bright spots, and after they gave you an MRI, they probably put it up on the screen and they said, look at these two bright spots in your brain.
Might seem like a silly question, but how do you, I mean, did you just suddenly be there or what?
unidentified
I'm not really sure.
All I know is that there were some grays, I guess that's what you call them, the ones with the big black eyes, two notches in the face for the nose, a very small mouth.
what he was discussing was so interesting yeah and and but yet he was I think that he really wanted to say all this and explain it to us as his belief system, which would have been a much more interesting way to do it.
Instead, he sort of presented a never-ending series of quotes from researchers and so forth to sort of lead us down that path without saying, here's what I believe.
Well, I thought you did a good job of turning him around on that.
But the thing that I found disappointing, he didn't give any evidence that he took a scientific approach to examining the question of God's intervention in history.
And what he should have done is he should have, as a scientist, described what criteria he would have had in searching out that question.
But there's always this possibility of terrible error.
I mean, hindsight is 2020.
As we look back at giant events of the world, it's very easy to say God intervened after Ronald Reagan said, tear down that wall, or any other major event in history.
It's 2020 hindsight, right?
unidentified
No, no, no.
Here's my point.
If we look at the methodology, for example, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus Christ.
Okay, you got five big ones.
You got about the same thing on the scientific side.
How do these men differ in their approach to God than the average theologian or professional preacher?
Very, very different.
They were in no sense professional theologians.
And it's like asking an electrician to critique Einstein's two theories of relativity.
I asked you straight out, what criterion would you lay down for saying, aha, a case where God intervened?
Straight question.
unidentified
Well, I have to respond to your question.
I was saying, I was answering your question directly.
You don't put anybody, including yourself, as you're trying to test this question, you don't put anybody in the position of having to in any sense describe what God is like.
You do this.
You say, first of all, were there superior human beings?
Did they give evidence that there were superior beings above them?
He alluded to that, the possibility of others having been our creators.
unidentified
Well, okay, but you have to go up the scale.
So if we have superior beings with superior knowledge and wisdom to human beings, they would be a key, they would be the first step to take towards finding out more about God.
Yeah, but the ones you're talking about were in the air.
unidentified
Yeah, they were up in the air.
And as a result, the author mentions that the antenna had to be grounded for some repairs, and he was there when the knife switch was opened to remove the ground, and he observed four-inch sparks that were drawn across the contact.
Well, then you might like to explain to me how I can take one side of that antenna when it's off ground, slap it to ground, I get a big bang, just like you were talking about?
And then with a voltmeter connected to it, I observe that the rise time of the voltage is immediate.
In other words, it doesn't slowly rise and build back up as in a static discharge with very low current.
It's there immediately.
And if I want to, I can sit there and go, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and discharge it that fast.
Now, that wouldn't be the kind of static buildup that you're describing.
unidentified
Well, in this particular antenna, they've got 200,000 volts.
And so during construction of this antenna system, it says they had to keep, they had to go to great pains to keep the thing grounded so people wouldn't get hurt.
But yeah, you can get some energy out of it, but not a huge amount.
You know, that commercial reminds me, Larry King owes me an interview.
I went on Larry King's program for an hour, and then I made him promise that he would do an interview with me, which he never did.
So, Larry, or Larry's handlers, who also, by the way, spewed out several promises in that regard, it's time to fulfill them.
Now, one of these days I'll be back filling in once again for George, no doubt, and I expect call to the producers of this program from Larry King or his people agreeing to do an interview.
Come on, Larry, it'll be fun.
I'd love to do a love to interview Larry King, turn the tables around, interview Larry King.
He's been quite something over the years, hasn't he?
One of the very few, by the way, that has successfully made the transition from radio to television.
Most talk show hosts who try TV fall flat on their faces, not Larry.
Most Wiccans, I do believe, think that there is no such thing as what I call a real broom-riding cauldron stirring witch.
They don't think there's any such thing, only Wicca.
unidentified
Right.
Well, I happen to be very open to all forms of witchcraft that are out there, although Wicca is the religion part of it.
But I mean, I personally don't believe in casting harm on someone, but if it was deemed necessary, I could try to find a safe way to do it without harming too many people.
Including yourself, including myself, exactly.
But the reason I was calling, you had had a show on quite a while back when I first started listening to you about people who have this strange reaction when they get around electronic equipment.
It seems to break down on them.
Yes.
And I noticed that happens to me usually after a ritual for about a week later.
I know, but being in the wrong place at the wrong time, you could destroy thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars of electronic equipment just like that.
unidentified
Yeah, well, it's freaky when it happens to me because it actually drains me to the point where I get sick usually.
Because I've given so much back that, you know, in terms of what I've put out, it's just okay.
Well, I don't know what to say to you except stay the heck away from me.
I just dearly love all my electronics, and to see somebody walk into the room and then snap, crackle, and pop, that'd be heartbreaking for everybody concerned.
Anybody else out there with that kind of an aura?
There really are people like that.
There really are people like that.
They break things.
They really do break things.
That's not a joke.
They seem to have some effect on electronic circuitry.
And I don't have the faintest clue what it could be, but I know that it is true.
These people get around things that otherwise work well.
But give them a couple of minutes in the area of your DVD, and that's all she wrote.
Well, my father died several years ago, and he used to take these 8-millimeter movies, and as you know, the 8-millimeter movies you could look at just by hand.
I did a lot of that and just look at each single frame.
That's right.
unidentified
Lovely.
So, what he did was he took these 25-foot reels and then he spliced them together to make a 400-foot reel.
Now, the last 25-foot reel that he took, I did not open.
For some reason, I didn't open that for about 20 years.
I don't know why, but I just didn't.
When I finally opened it up and I tried to squint to see the little pictures and see who was in it, all of a sudden, I felt a change in my mental state.
I felt that I was myself from the 1960s visiting in the 1990s.
I don't even know if I can get this all out correctly, but there's something about looking at a certain flicker rate that affects the human brain frequently.
And so there is something to what you're saying.
And so you're saying as you began to run these frames past you, you began to move into them, sort of be a way to say it, I guess, huh?
unidentified
Yeah, my mind, I felt I was myself in the 1960s visiting the 1990s.
But what I mean is, your senses, the things you saw, the things you felt you heard that were all around you, were you really there, or was it just sort of a little sense of it?
You know, I'm trying to get an idea of the scale of.
unidentified
No, I was in the 1990s.
I was aware that I was in the 1990s.
But for myself, in other words, any knowledge that I had gained, like I'd studied stenotype in the 1960s, now I know it.
But had anybody asked me to do it, I don't think I'd be able to do it at least immediately.
My mindset was in the 1960s.
And I was aware that I had temporarily become myself in the 1960s.
I actually remember those little 25-footers, and I remember splicing them together.
So yeah, I remember all of that.
unidentified
Yeah, they were great.
The thing is that I've tried this again.
It hasn't worked.
And my theory is that the atmosphere, since this package has been closed for 20 years, the little puff of atmosphere of air in that may have just entered my nostrils.
So I think that if you go into an Egyptian tomb without the idea of getting treasure, but simply going back in time, if you collect the air from that, bring it back, and have somebody just breathe in that air.
Now, I don't know about your theory of it being a little bit of trapped air from that time, but I think I would personally lean more toward the whole concept of your reeling that in front of your eyes, that old 8mm stuff where you could look at it frame by frame and where you could produce a certain flicker rate.
I'm not trying to dictate your experience.
I'm just saying that as you unwound that and looked at it, you produced a certain flicker rate.
So it could, another good theory, would be that when you reached a certain flicker rate, as you unfolded this film, something happened.
And you were taken to that time.
You were, in essence, actually there for a moment.
Now we can see that curvature that you're talking about.
But how can you postulate it was there prior to the existence of anything material?
unidentified
Okay, now we're just going just for a second now.
Let's assume that it was that way, that it was totally empty.
It did start to curve.
And when it reached this point of infinite curvature, it started breaking up as foam.
This is called multiplying interconnectedness.
That's what Albert Einstein called it.
And each one of those little points is coming into existence and disappearing randomly.
And each one of those points is connected to the other point.
On this side of the universe and on the other side of the universe, what happens to one point will happen to the other.
Now, we've got to assume this, but if we do assume it, we can explain how matter came into existence because each of these little points are points of energy.
Now, I know we had to take a giant leap of faith there.
Well, sir, it's the same giant leap of faith that you have to take regarding the Big Bang.
You're just simply requiring us to take the leap at a different point.
That's all.
You're sort of pushing forward this theory about empty space being responsible for the creation of matter.
But still, when it gets to that instant, you're making us take the giant leap of faith that's just as hard to take, frankly, with regard to the Big Bang, the whole that came out of something smaller than a quark, everything that now is that you can see all the stars, all the planets.
It's just every bit as big of a leap of faith your way as it is the old Big Bang way.
And he said, and I haven't been able to get online and verify it, I wasn't that interested, but he said something that it was federal law, that the local utility company had to buy that energy from him.
In some states, it is law, like in California, for example.
And even in other places, but there's small print, you know, and what they don't tell you is that in a lot of places, like the one I live in, for example, yes, they have to, by law, buy it back from you.
Yes, I generate electricity here, and so I actually went and I checked into it.
And believe me, that is the deal.
Now, in California, I'm told it's a little different.
And in California, they'd probably have to pay you what you pay them, which seems to me to be fair.
Or maybe I've got it all wrong.
Maybe, as a supplier of electricity, it's only fair that they don't have to pay from their point of view.
I'm sure they don't have to pay me more than they pay other suppliers of electricity.
Perhaps to them, that would seem unfair.
From my point of view, I ought to be able to sell it at the same rate I buy it for, but I don't know.
It's one of those things.
And we really don't have time to take another call.
I want to remind you that our time traveler line is open for those of you who have actually traveled in time.
The RealMcCoy at area code 775-727-1222.
That's the number.
775-727-1222.
If you have traveled in time.
In the meantime, we'll break here at the top of the hour and come back and continue with all of this.
Open lines.
Otherwise, anything you want to talk about is a spare game on any other line.
Just that one single line.
Hold it open, folks.
for those who have actually traveled the halls of time.
Come back.
unidentified
When the sun comes up on a city little town down around Santa Claus and the folks are rising for another day People of the town are strange and the crowd will wear the game Where you talking about time will grow Where you talking about time will grow.
Where you talking about time will grow.
From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
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Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
So you're saying that human beings begin to evolve into telepathic spiritual creatures, and we begin to drop all the trappings of technology.
Is that it?
unidentified
That is correct.
And I believe, from my understanding of the experience of visually seeing what was going on, it's all brought about by, in a sense, a higher being from somewhere.
I don't know if it's a religious entity or if it's a spiritual entity or if it's an outer space type entity or whatnot.
But something comes to Earth and has touched these individuals in the future and has taught them the old age capabilities, I guess, in a sense, that all humans have and how to reuse them that they haven't used in a long time.
And at the point in 2045, it's almost already has been for a good five, six years, so it's almost evolved to a point where it's a natural occurrence.
And that's why the technology is washed away and the lack of need for the modern-day need of communication.
And so then you saw people walking around serenely in a state of contemplative communication with each other.
And it was a totally different world than we have today.
But you're not quite sure what got us there, whether it was alien intervention, God's hand coming down and changing everything or evolution or just what, huh?
And then a major event between now and 2045 that will modify, and you know, that's kind of interesting in a lot of ways because there are a number of remote viewers who have suggested that they have this barrier where some major event, and some have even suggested a biblical Proportions will occur that will modify humanity in such a way that it's so unrecognizable that they actually can't read what's going on.
So that's the sort of thing that he alluded to right there.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hello, Barbara, listening to you on K-N-Y-E in her run.
Oh, I know, I know, believe me, especially lately.
But one day it was just really weird because we had a bunch of horses in the pasture, and it just caught my eye because everybody was looking in the same direction, just staring.
Usually, obviously, that means they're seeing something.
And this was one day where I turned, I looked, and it was just clear as a bell.
This person, guy, girl, whatever, in a long dark, almost like a, what do you call those things, those dusters, and a hat, and just walking along the tree line, and then just turned, walked into the tree line, and boom, gone.
I never for one second doubt in my mind that animals see these beings.
I don't for one second doubt that whatever the heck they are, they are there, these shadow beings.
And if you don't know what a shadow being is, it's something, it's a creature or an entity or a something that we're all able to see at times, perhaps only fleetingly from the corner of our eyes, almost as a flicker.
In fact, some have suggested that looking at monitors and slaving in front of a computer every day, you're subjected to a certain flicker rate by that monitor.
You can actually check the operating system, see where it is that you're getting.
And that that will eventually morph human beings' ability to see at a different rate.
And by that I mean that these creatures, these entities are at a slightly different vibrational rate.
So when you get adjusted by a flicker to a different rate yourself, you begin to see these things, sort of, out of the corner of your eye.
Quick movements that, you know, you sort of shake your head and say, no, no, there's nothing really there.
It was just, you know, sort of a, no, it wasn't.
You really saw something.
And I think that animals, cats in particular, and perhaps dogs and even horses, Barbara, see these things as well.
And then one day you were lucky enough or unlucky enough, depending on your point of view, to see one yourself.
Well, I want to say that one of the fond moments I remember on your shows in the past was when a time traveler, you know, a self-proclaimed time traveler called you and addressed you as Senator.
But even the Vatican astronomers, in quotes here, might not know what they're looking for.
I mean, the Vatican, at the Vatican, they have in mind something very specific.
What do you suppose that might be?
unidentified
Well, first of all, we have to start where your dear friend Malachi Martin began, which was that he talked about the Jesuits and how they are, in the church, the most scholarly and the most intellectual order of all the priests.
They do study academic subjects very intently, and they do really groundbreaking research in the fields, just as other workers in, you know, secular, non-religious workers do in the fields.
And that stretches all the way from medicine, practical fields, even engineering, and even astronomy, basic research in astronomy and astrophysics.
Well, if they were to see something that was obvious through that wonderful telescope they have in Arizona where the air is thin and observant is great, and they saw something that really just put kibosh on perhaps something they've been teaching from Rome all these years, what do you think they do with that info?
unidentified
Well, you know, I think they would publish, just as they publish everything else that they study.
But I tell you what, Art, that telescope, although it's a very advanced telescope and has beautiful, wonderful detectors on it, it's on Mount Graham, Arizona, by the way, 10,300 feet altitude.
Indeed.
Very dry.
The point is, that telescope is only a six-foot telescope, 72 inches.
It's really dwarfed by other telescopes that are in even better locations.
And look in exactly the direction and what they, they can look and try and find what it is they're looking at.
The question is, what are they looking for, sir?
unidentified
Oh, the whole works.
That is, you know, everything from every specialty beginning at galaxy studies, elementary studies of stellar evolution, that is, you know, the lifetime, the life cycle of normal stars, supernovae, even planetary work.
And, you know, I bet they're looking for something that certainly has to do with God or has to do with the whole concept of a maker, the whole concept, or perhaps even the search for those that might have made us.
I mean, no telling what the Catholics might see from Mount Grant.
unidentified
It's fundamental research, fundamental research, basic research in science.
And of course, that gives insight, insight into the world and insight into all of creation.
That's really what they're up to.
There's nothing hidden, I believe, and there's nothing that is.
Yeah, well, maybe there's bones in the air, too, you know, or in space.
What I'm getting at is I don't necessarily accept that what you are suggesting, that the Catholics are looking for what everybody else is looking for on Mount Graham.
I think they're looking for something very special.
Okay, this would be more commonly referred to as precognition.
You saw something that was about to happen.
I suppose, in a sense, that's time travel, isn't it?
Precognition.
I had one experience like that only.
And so you made a call.
unidentified
Yes, I told mom, and so I said, let me know what happens, because I saw something very frightening.
And indeed, everything I saw was what happened about two hours later.
And as far as spatial is concerned, I'm one of those people that every time you have a guest on, I've had almost every experience that most of your guests have.
It's just been like that my whole life since I was a small kid.
I wonder if you could shed a little light on a, I don't know what you'd call it, an anomaly or a phenomena.
But my wife and I were flipping through the channels a couple of years ago, and we caught the tail end of a story of a man who was begrieved or whatever you call it.
He had lost his daughter, and I believe he was in Belgium or the Netherlands.
Anyway, the story went that he was able to, he was a filmographer or something like that.
And he went through a bunch of footage frame by frame and found some anomalies.
Okay, that's all that I remember hearing from that show.
But anyway, we got a new video camera about six months later, and we decided to do this experiment.
Hey, let's try this, what this man was talking about, see if there's any validity to it.
So what we did, we took a regular video camera and filmed directly into a blue screen or the blank screen.
Well, it was the blue screen, blue blank screen on the television.
And when we directed the video camera, the closer you got to the center, you just started to center the camera and look through the viewfinder, your recording, into the blank screen.
And as you focus to the center of the screen, once you get to that point, it creates an incredible vortex effect.
And so it just starts to swirl and swirl into, it's almost like you get the effect of it's some kind of infinite loop because if you put your hand in front of it, it's not some kind of infinite loop.
Well, you're standing the hair on the back of my neck up just fine right now because that's exactly what I think.
I really, honest to God, I think that we're living in this oscillation, and when you did what you did, I think there's every possibility that you tapped in at some point along these swirling hallways that we both know are there.
You tapped into something.
And if you grab something from it, then I'd really like to see it.
I'm going to look for that, and I will find a way, I can assure you, to get it to the website.
This is really intriguing to me.
As I described earlier in the show, all of these deep questions that we ponder how it all began, whether there was a Big Bang, whether it's a steady, state, or expanding, or contracting universe, who knows?
But I think there's every possibility it may be, in essence, never-ending.
And that process can definitely proven.
You can prove it to yourself.
You've just got to imagine you have endless definition by putting a camera connected to a computer or connected to a monitor or at, you know, just point the camera at the monitor and look at the swirling, changing.
Of course, as you move, it will change and swirl.
But in essence, it's looking into infinity.
It's a feedback loop.
Now, if he really toyed with that for an extended number of hours and really grabbed a picture from, I don't know, the 1930s or 40s or something like that, then he might really have done it.
He might really have done it.
He might have grabbed a little bit of the past.
And maybe that's a way to do it.
And that's a pretty exciting thought.
When you roll it over a little bit, pretty exciting.
That in those swirls, if you're able to stop and pluck a little bit of something from it, you might come up with essentially a portrait of the past right there.
Wouldn't that be something for our ghost GIS type people to investigate?
You know, when you tell the detectives this, you're going to have a problem.
unidentified
I haven't been arrested.
Well, I understand.
And...
I mean, there's many, many, many listeners to your show, and I'm asking if there's anybody out there who could help me shed light on this situation at all to please come forth with something because he has no answer for me.
He has done what he has done, and it has not gone away.
Unless there became evidence that the others, that not only are we not alone, but that the others, rather than the traditional God of the Bible, are our creators.
Now, that would be a significant problem for them.
But a race that's sufficiently advanced to be able to travel in that manner or communicate in that manner probably would be capable of creation because, dear, we're not that far from that ability ourselves right now.
So that would be a pretty big shock to the religious world, wouldn't it?
Now, you think that you were either shifted geographically or shifted in time by whatever this was that he had.
There was no trace of any of this machinery, I assume, after his death that you were aware of?
unidentified
No, not that I know of.
And matter of fact, I inquired about it, and I said that I made up a story, and I just happened to say, you know, he was like electronics tech, and he had stuff in the garage.
I wonder if you were Dr. Mengele's first experiment there or first human guinea pig.
Have you ever wondered about that?
In other words, he did it with the animals, but maybe, you know, in sort of a jocular, ha, ha, ha, we're at a party, you've had a few beers, step in here and let me show you something really cool type thing.
And maybe he's now elsewhere, and what they think, the body they think they loaded in is just the one they happened to load in in this dimension.
unidentified
It's a possibility, but after the fact that when I came back and, you know, we were talking later, and as the party, you know, broke up or whatnot, I said, exactly what happened.
And he said, well, I've discovered a generating system that, to put it in layman's terms, will transport you back and forth into time.
And I said, that's absolutely ludicrous.
I've never heard of such a thing.
And he said, well, that's why I had you do it first to experience it, because otherwise you would never believe me.
And I looked at him and I said, you know, I started thinking maybe he was crazy, but then I'm thinking, well, where was I?
Maybe that man encountered somebody who had deciphered the nature of time travel or the way to achieve time travel.
I really do believe that there is a way to do it.
There are ways to travel in time.
And again, you've got to think about this a little bit.
Even assuming that it's not until we get to Pentium 9000 that we discover time travel, if there is such an eventuality, which I believe there will be, then they could easily be here now.
And there could be people along the way discover it, and then it sort of blinks out in terms of a retained technology.
And the latest that I've heard, and I watch very carefully and listen very carefully to any news of it, and the latest news I've got is that the special effects are going to be so spectacular that it's going to be an additional year before release.
But, you know, the whole process of angels falling and chasing after earth women and producing these, you know, I just it just seems unheaven and godlike for all that to be going on.
unidentified
Well, yeah, it would be.
I'd say that too.
But I mean, as you said yourself, the Catholics, religion itself, it's hard to say what they're letting us know, and they have all these secrets, but they're watching something out there, you know.
Well, the one caller I had was like an apologist for this.
I mean, there's more to it than just a casual interest in hunting for what might be out there on the part of the Catholics.
I've got nothing against Catholics.
My wife is one.
But they are, obviously, somewhat secretive, or even really secretive.
And they're looking for something more than just general astronomy fun from the Vatican on Mount Graham.
They're there for a reason.
They're looking for something.
unidentified
I agree.
I don't know what they're looking for, and I don't think that they're going to make it known anytime soon either, though.
I think Martin Luther helped prove that the Catholic Church, or any church for that matter, they like to be in control of what they know and what they do.
And when the lightning came through the phone, a ball of lightning came through the mouthpiece and knocked me about 20 feet.
And it was very strange because all of a sudden I was outside my body and I was looking back at the area where the phone was and I was still sitting there.
But at this point, I was looking at myself before the lightning struck.
And I was kind of hovering there.
My existence was kind of hovering in the air, looking at myself.
And I actually saw the electric pulse come in through the phone line.
And I watched very slowly, in very slow motion, as the phone line began to melt.
And the lightning came out of the phone and struck me.
And everything was moving very, very slowly like a slow motion picture.
But as things were progressing, it started moving a little quicker and a little quicker.
And at the point where the ball of lightning came through the mouthpiece of the phone and struck me in the head, and my body came off the couch, my body started moving towards my essence.
And at that time, things started moving a little quicker.
Like the best way to describe it is when you're watching a film and the reel starts to slip.
And after the clinic, a bunch of us decided to go to a restaurant.
If I remember correctly, it was about 10 or 12 of us at the time.
And the restaurant that we got to, they didn't have a table big enough, you know, to accommodate that many people.
So we sat, you know, some in one booth and some at the booth behind, and then the rest of them were at a round table nearby.
And I don't even remember the point that was being discussed, but I remember I leaned over the back of the booth to say something to somebody behind me, and I had this really strong feeling of deja vu.
And you know how you have kind of like that little otherworldly experience when you get the deja vu.
But I thought it was just me, and I just kind of turned and looked back at the people in the booth where I was sitting, which included my sister, and several of the people had an odd look on their face, and I turned and looked at the people behind me, and several of them had an odd look, and we were all like, did you just have a sense of deja vu?
Oh, no, that's an extremely interesting observation.
unidentified
But it was almost like it didn't get, there was two people in the booth behind me that didn't get it at all.
One person in the booth where I was sitting that didn't get it at all.
And then there was a couple people at the other table that didn't get it.
I think there was 12 of us all together.
But the people who didn't get it did observe that we all had a funny look on our face, and they were like, What's going on?
But those of us who did get it, and it wasn't just a little light sense of deja vu, you know, where you kind of like look at something, shake your head, and go on.
I, too, have had one extremely serious encounter with the dej vu, and then one with precognition.
So I've been down that lane.
And so, you know, hearing about a mass occurrence, a mass dej vu suggests that the phenomenon would not be attached to an individual or only an individual.
It's so easy to dismiss when it's that because you think, well, you know, a little misfire and a neuron, right?
But if it happens to 10 or 12 people out of a group, then it's got to be something else entirely, doesn't it?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello?
Hi.
Yeah.
I'm going to go ahead and try and make this quick for you.
You know how when you travel through space, you're traveling, like if you take a piece of paper, you're traveling the distance of the piece of paper.
Right.
And if you fold that piece of paper end to end, then you could travel from one point to the, you know, one end to the other end without traveling the distance.
Well, my father believes that the UFOs that we see are actually ourselves from the future coming back, checking up on us, or whatever you however you want to put that one.
I can imagine that there might be reasons why a future us would be back here, perhaps observing, if not attempting to affect things.
But, you know, that has to make you wonder.
I had the experience during the time I was doing talk radio.
The best example I can give you is that Nelson Mandela, instead of being freed in South Africa, many people wrote to me and said, you know, I have, in my memory, my memory is that Nelson Mandela was killed.
That Nelson Mandela is dead.
And that's what I remember.
But of course, that's not what occurred.
Nelson Mandela, as we all know, was freed and went on to lead South Africa.
But, you know, people had a different memory of it.
And I got an awful lot of emails like that.
After one person said it, I just had a flood of emails.
I had the same memory.
So, you know, maybe occasionally something gets changed in the time stream, and we all have vague recollections of the way it would have been had there not been that change, if you follow me.
Well, they're getting readings indicating they're measuring something, which seems to coincide with mass occurrences, you know, like 9-11 or other giant things that affect consciousness throughout the world.
unidentified
Yeah, but I think that they are trying to measure the non-physical physically, and that is difficult to do.
You can't use a physical yardstick to measure something that's immortal.
One of them is, do you know that the South American Indians look at going through life as though walking backwards because what you see is only memory?
And the other thing is that what you are experiencing right this moment is brought about collectively your likes, dislikes, experiences of love and hate and so on.
And they're cumulative to the point where you have a picture in which you establish feelings.
And with your intentional focus, you then project it into what we call the curtain of reality.
We're erecting a barrier between ourselves and heaven, is what you're saying.
unidentified
Correct.
The other item is that space and time, in fact, do have a similarity because time does not exist until you project it into 100% time and reality.
Now, the other item about space, in Raja Yoga, we used to do mantras, and that creates space.
Now, at times, when I'm driving a cab, and I notice that I'm putting in a lot of people and delivering them, and this time appears to be going very slow, because I look at the clock, and I see that I've done more in, say, two hours than I would normally do in 12.
And then it seems about six and a half hours later, it begins to catch up with itself, and everything goes back to normal.
Again, that's very much like another caller was telling us.
So, you know, Phil got zapped by the lightning with a telephone.
He was pushed out, and then the reverse process seemed to ensue, and he very quickly, in an increasing way, increasing exponentially in speed, came back.