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May 30, 2003 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Time Traveler Line - Open Lines

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world.
		We cover all of that, you know.
		Isn't that amazing a radio signal that actually covers one way or the other the entire world?
		It's truly something to contemplate.
		I try not too frequently.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Stepping in tonight, for George Norway is taking deserved days off.
		As I said last night, when you do this program, you know damn well.
		It takes a lot more than the four or five hours, whatever it is you put into it on the air.
		That's sort of like the tip of the iceberg.
		The rest of it's.
		The rest of it takes up the rest of the day, actually, so he certainly deserves a time off.
		How you doing?
		It is a Friday night, Saturday morning, and this.
		has traditionally been a kind of a strange night.
		And I wouldn't want to make any exception tonight.
unidentified		So.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna do throw caution to win.
		Do open lines.
		And I mean just that.
		Open lines.
		Heaven knows what's gonna happen.
		I will accept one thing.
		There was one thread that was consistent in my email all day long was do a time traveler line.
		It's been a long time since anybody's done that well.
		No problem.
		I'm not that hard to convince on this subject, as you know.
		Therefore, I will dedicate one line.
		All the others are just open letter rip talk radio, but one line I'm dedicating to time.
		Now, what do I mean by that?
		We'll get more into detail about it, but basically it's reserved for those who claim to have actually traveled in time.
		Now, that's pretty loose, but close enough.
		For those who have actually traveled in time.
		That number is Area Code 775-727-1222.
		Now, no matter what the guy with the deep voice says regarding first-time callers, that line is tonight reserved away for people who actually claim to have traveled in time.
		And that number again is Area Code 775-727-1222.
		It is of particular interest to me, covering something we covered last night.
		This incredible new antenna that I put up.
		This is the mother of all antennas.
		It's a big, giant thousand-foot loop times two, with one being at 70 feet, one being at 63 feet, and a circumference of 1,000 feet.
		It's a really big antenna with unusual properties, producing about 400 volts right now.
		Mysteriously.
		Or maybe not.
unidentified		Maybe there is an answer to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, in a moment, I'll go into that.
		If I don't do this, I'm liable to forget it.
		So let's take the initial break here, shall we?
		and then I'll launch.
unidentified		Groans
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are photographs on the coast2coastam.com website of the antenna that I was telling you about.
		Very exciting.
		Got it up just yesterday, actually.
		Let's see, was it yesterday?
		Yes, no, the day before, actually the night before in the dark.
		It was pretty incredible.
		Anyway, I got a million emails about this.
		Thank you all very much.
		Here's one from Ken, W6MRN.
		He's a ham.
		Ahi, Arn, I've been keeping tabs on your signal strength here in Tahunga.
		After the second added loop, due to the current instability of the ionosphere, due to the barrage of CMEs, that's from the sun, right, folks?
		Coronal mass ejections.
		It's difficult to gauge at this point because of that, but my first impression is that the signal is more consistent.
		In other words, less frequent.
		QSB dips.
		It's now at plus 30 to 35.
		And he goes on and on about my signal.
		Thank you very much.
		He says, with regard to your antenna, I suspect that you have discovered the very same thing that others have observed.
		Shall we probe the secrets, in quotes, the secrets of our early protege, the one and only Nikola Tesla?
		Of late, we've had very high levels of interplanetary magnetic field values.
		Could this be the cutting of the magnetic lines of force flowing in and out of the planet?
		We know that very high levels of magnetic disturbances from the sun cause disruptions.
		In other words, popping of circuit breakers of high voltage inner-city long-distance transmission lines from time to time and so forth.
		Yes, indeed.
		Ken, I think it's entirely possible that we should be looking toward Nikola Tesla and what he was doing in answer to what I'm experiencing.
		I don't know yet.
		Maybe not.
		Maybe there's some very conventional explanation for the voltage that ought not be there.
		Certainly a lot more research about it is in order.
		Especially now with the addition of this second wire and the additional voltage, it's crazy.
		We're further away from any induction from the power line, so I don't know.
		It's a mystery.
		And then there's also WB6OHK, another ham, says he knows the area and says there's an Iron Mountain south of me, that's in Perum about here, that occasionally shoots lightning bolts, he says, in the ionosphere.
		In March of 1955, two of us spent a month based in Peram prospecting for uranium.
		We had a super cub and a Jeep stayed at a retired prospector's home out in the countryside, southwest of the only store there at the time.
		That's true, there used to be one here.
		It had a dirt road, and we staked down tie ropes for the cub and parked it next to the miner's home.
		His name was Rusty.
		He taught us how to use dynamite.
		We had an airborne scintillator and another handheld two.
		We traveled all over the Prump Valley.
		When we took the Jeep or the airplane to Las Vegas, we noticed one particular mountain shoots bolts up into the sky over 15 Times.
		We saw it 15 times.
		Have you noticed it?
		No.
		I sent an email to NASA when the shuttle went down telling them about the mountain that could have been the bolt through it.
		Viewers in Eastern California reported a blue streak from the shuttle as it passed over the mountain at this time.
		That's true.
		They did.
		I'm not certain it was this, but he says, anyway, this iron mountain is the source of a tremendous electrical field.
		And your antenna, by the way, is at the northern side of that electrical field.
		The bigger antenna, the more voltage you'll pick up.
		Yes, well, obviously.
		And then I was considering the bigger questions that were asked by or attempted to be answered by last night's guest from Ng from London.
		It was an interesting guest, but he was quoting everybody else in the world, and yet his central message seemed to be, there is no God.
		No, that's wrong.
		There is a God, but he doesn't care.
		That simplified, that's what it boils down to.
		That's what he was saying.
		There's God, but he doesn't care.
		If we blow our own heads off, if we destroy ourselves in nuclear warfare, if we do well, or if we do poorly or become extinct, he doesn't care.
		Basically, he's a creator.
	He's not paying any attention.
	I don't know if I can buy that.
	But, you know, despite the fact that he was shuffling papers around, looking for quotes from other people to talk to me, there were a couple of things that came up last night that really caught my attention.
	We were talking about the really big question, right?
	Like, hey, dad, how high is the sky?
	You know, the extend, when you extend that, of course, becomes where is the end of everything?
	It's all about space and time, right?
	We now look out with telescopes to 15 billion miles plus light years, I guess I ought to say.
	That's a lot of miles.
	Light years out, 15 billion light years out when it all began.
	If it all began, we were talking about that.
	Well, what happened?
	Was there a big bang?
	He rather seemed to think so.
	I was trying to pry his views out of all of this massive data that he had.
	He seemed to think so.
	But again, his central message would appear to have been, if you listen closely, that there's a God, but he just doesn't much care.
	But as we move through that discussion last night, one thing really caught my attention, and I guess I said it myself, really.
	I came after him and I said, hey, what if all of this is an oscillation?
	Oscillation, I think he might have mentioned the word oscillation.
	I took off from there.
	Have you ever pointed a camera at a monitor?
	What you could see, if you had resolution sufficient to display it, you could see infinity.
	It's feedback.
	It's oscillation.
	It's feedback.
	And maybe that is the answer to everything.
	There is no real beginning, and there is no real end.
	There is only oscillation, constant change.
	And so maybe everything is, in essence, a big circle, an infinite circle.
	Try pointing a camera at a monitor sometime, and of course you will see the little tiniest picture of the monitor with the camera about a million light years away.
	You know, the smallest thing that the monitor is capable of displaying, it constantly echoes itself.
	It is a feedback loop.
	And what I'm suggesting is, I guess, that one possible answer to the conundrum of, you know, did it begin?
unidentified		Is it a steady state universe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will it expand forever?
		One possible answer is it'll do all of that because it's nothing but one big oscillation, one big loop back upon itself.
		I'm not sure if that's going to register with all of you or not, but I'm suggesting that as an answer to, you know, probably one of the biggest questions in the whole world, right?
		Who are we?
		How'd we get here?
		What's out there?
		That's a biggie.
		So I thought I would suggest that to you, and you might have some comments.
		Remember, that one line there.
		See, I see it going now like crazy.
		That time traveler line.
		That's area code 775-727-1222.
		It's a very simple number, but it's only, only for those of you that claim to have traveled in time.
		And perhaps travel in time is possible, even if my explanation of this oscillation, of this never-ending feedback, even if that's the nature of everything, it still might be possible, certainly, to travel in that never-ending loop.
		And all things eventually, if we don't blow ourselves to smithereens, are going to become possible, and one of those would be time travel.
		And if indeed one day it becomes possible, then there would be time travelers here now.
		Or at least there would be a very high likelihood that there could be and would be.
		Whether they'd be vacationing, sort of time slumming as depicted in some movies, or whether they're here to change things, if that's possible.
		That's another whole discussion, right?
		They'd be here, though.
		And they might be willing to speak out.
		Now, only you can be the judge of the veracity of what you hear.
		You know, I mean, we hear some pretty strange things on here, right?
		The rest of the lines are all open lines.
		So I don't know what we're going to get.
		One thing I would like to ask you to keep to a minimum is I understand that you all want to say, my God, it's great to hear your voice, and it's been a long time, and it has, you know, and so, but if you would, for the sake of the continuity of the program, not do that, you know, so I understand why Rush did what he did.
		If you want to say dittos or whatever you come up with, say that rather than everything else.
		Now, listen very carefully.
		When I tell you we live in strange times, disease, action from the sun, action from the ground, earthquakes, tornadoes, more than we've ever had.
		We do live in strange times.
		Right now, the sun is attacking us.
		Let me read you a little bit of this.
		A recent series of three major flares have been observed from the sun.
		All of these flares have been from a complex sunspot near the region at the center of the solar disk.
		The flare events all reached R3 level on the NOAA radio blackout scale.
		In addition, an S2 solar radiation storm is in progress in association with a major flare activity.
		G3 geomagnetic storms can lead to problems with electrical power systems, including the need for voltage corrections, the triggering of false alarms on some protective devices.
		These storms can also affect spacecraft operations, including surface charging on satellite components, increases in drag for low Earth orbiting satellites.
		It actually slows them down and could even put them in danger of re-entering.
		Corrections for orientation problems.
		Attitude effects include intermittent satellite navigation and low-frequency radio navigation problems, intermittent HF radio and aurora as low as Illinois and Oregon.
		R3 radio blackouts result in widespread HF radio communication outages on the day side of the Earth and can also degrade low frequency navigation signals.
		S2 solar radiation storms can lead to infrequent single event upsets in spacecraft operations.
		Small effects on HF propagation through the polar regions, possible small effects on navigation at polar cap locations.
		That's all going on right now.
		We are in an 11-year solar cycle.
		We're always in an 11-year solar cycle, folks.
		You know, upside, downside, whatever.
		We're always in it.
		And this one should be on the wane.
		Very much on the wane right now.
		Cycle 23 should be pooping out, but instead, the sun is going berserk at the moment.
		So kind of interesting times, I would say.
		A little bit of news.
		After 11 days at Orange, the national terrorism alert level has been dropped the notch to yellow.
		This is after officials determined the threat of imminent al-Qaeda strikes had diminished.
		And they base all this on the amount of chatter they hear going on out there.
		You know, Al-Qaeda operatives presumably talking to other al-Qaeda operatives.
		Saying things like, who knows?
		The time to strike is now something.
		Anyway, they've lowered it.
		China is denying any SARS cover-up whatsoever.
		They didn't cover anything up.
		China says they didn't.
	A top Chinese health official denied claims that Beijing tried to hide the seriousness of the SARS virus, saying Friday, the government warned about SARS as early as February.
	And early efforts to fight it were slowed by poor information.
	They say it's an encouraging sign.
	The World Health Organization said Friday it'll remove Singapore from the list of countries affected by the SARS virus because now they've gone the requisite 20 days with no new cases.
	Now the war.
	You know, I still am not really sure why we fought the war.
	I'm very glad that our troops did impeccable manner that they did.
	And of course, they really did do their job.
	You've got to give them that.
	They did a hell of a job.
	But you know, I don't know why we fought the war.
	And I still don't.
	And look at this today, Washington, May 30th.
	The United States on Friday announced a major expansion of so far fruitless efforts to find chemical or biological arms in Iraq, forming a team now, get this, of 1,400 U.S., British, and Australian experts who are going to take up the hunt in Iraq.
	The Pentagon named Army Major General Keith Dayton to head the new Iraq survey group, which is going to go and try to find alleged arms that Washington cited as its main justification for the invasion of Iraq in March that toppled President Saddam Hussein.
	Or at least his statue there on the horse, that toppled.
	No such weapons have been found.
	And the move was announced just hours after Lieutenant General James Conway, the top U.S. Marine officer in Iraq, said U.S. intelligence was, quote, simply wrong, end quote, in leading the military to believe that the invading troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons.
	Holy smokes.
	I mean, you think about that for a second.
	For a lieutenant general to say something like that is probably, possibly career-threatening, I would think.
	Wouldn't you?
	That was, after all, the U.S., but it's why we fought that war.
	To protect against the possibility that they had, or I guess, the assurance that they had weapons of mass destruction, that they probably had the intent to use them against us and or give them to terrorists who would use them against us.
	That's why we said we fought the war.
	And so if you're a lieutenant general and you make a statement like this, I don't know.
	You're probably in trouble.
	Let's look at it again.
	No such weapons have been found.
	And the move was announced just hours after Lieutenant General James Conway, the top U.S. Marine officer in Iraq, said U.S. intelligence was, quote, simply wrong, end quote, in leading the military to believe that the invading troops were likely to be attacked with chemical weapons.
	So, I wasn't really sure before the war why we fought the war.
	And I'm still not sure why we fought the war.
	It's easier to believe, and I know the whole conspiracy thing about oil, right?
	We fought it for oil.
	I did hear we're establishing four permanent military bases in Iraq.
	That'd be right in the middle of the Middle East influence area, right?
	That could not have been our reason, right?
	Oil, well, we always deny that we say that's not the reason why we had the war, right?
	Not oil.
	It was the information on weapons of mass destruction.
	Right now, the top military guy in Iraq says, uh-uh, that all the deep thinkers in Intel were wrong.
	So, I don't know.
	Anyway, I'm glad.
	I'm certainly glad we won.
	All right, open lines are ahead, and that means absolutely anything.
	And I have no idea what that could be.
	I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You'll stay where you are and buckle in, please.
		Someone could take your face And if you get hurt, if you get hurt I'm a little fake.
		Ain't got no trouble in my life.
		No foolish dream to make me cry.
		I'm never frightened or worried.
		I know I always get by.
		I love cool down.
		Don't forget my way up.
		Let me get me down.
		Take it the way that I found it.
		I got music in me.
		Yeah.
		I got music in me.
		They say that life is a circle.
		Circle.
		I got music in me.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Coast to Coast AM with George Norton.
		And now, filling in for George, here's special guest host, Art Beth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She thinks life is a circle.
		Well, maybe it is.
		She actually denies it.
		That's the way I look at it.
		I think life.
		In fact, everything is a circle.
		A never-ending circle and oscillation.
		Pictures and things that go on apparently forever.
		That's something to contemplate.
		That's sort of what we were talking about last night.
		If you'd like to continue some of that discussion tonight, I would love to.
		Think of it, an oscillation, a never-ending oscillation that just goes on forever.
		So our perception here as human beings on Earth is that there is no beginning, there is no end.
		It just keeps on going.
unidentified		sad music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I suppose that it would be fair to suggest that a large percentage of the callers who are going to call the time traveler line are yanking our chains.
		And they probably are.
		However, I am so convinced that time travel is real and that time travelers are out there that I do think only you can be the judge.
		And of course, I will sit here and judge as well as we listen about the veracity of the color.
		But I'm telling you, they're out there.
		And if we have to go through nine strange ones to get to one real one, and we really do get to one real one, then it's worth it.
		And I think I've had in the past some real ones online when it comes to time travel.
		So let's make a first effort and say, on the special time traveler line, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
		You're not going to speak, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are going to speak.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave.
unidentified		Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve.
		Sorry, Steve.
		All right.
		Well, Smith, I am.
		All right, Mr. Smith.
		So you're claiming to be a time traveler, eh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I don't know how much time you're going to allow me, but I want to tell you this started when I was about six or seven years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What started?
unidentified		Okay, when I would go to sleep at night, I would go into like a stupor and I would see the stars.
		I would close my eyes and my brother, he would actually sit there with me while I was closing my eyes and I was starting to fall asleep.
		And I would describe the sky, the clouds, and everything.
		And then I would go ahead and tell him what it was, and he would run outside and he would describe, yes, that's what I see.
		And that started the whole program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's not time travel, is it?
unidentified		Wait a minute now.
unidentified		Let me finish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to let you finish, but that's more like remote viewing, isn't it, Steve?
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And as this progressed through my lifetime, I am now pushing 60 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't sound it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't sound it.
unidentified		Oh, well, thank you.
		But I am pushing 60.
		Two years ago, all this stuff sucked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you're now distorting cellular distortion, Steve.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Let me, yeah, I'm on cellular phone.
		I'm on my yacht.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on your yacht?
		Yes.
		Are you on a yacht?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm on my yacht.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very impressive.
		All right, Steve, on your yacht.
		So now, tell me about the time travel aspect.
		As the years progressed, what?
unidentified		Okay, as the years progressed, every night I would go to sleep, I would travel through time, and I would go, and I could see the stars passing me.
unidentified		I don't know how fast I was going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve, how do you know you weren't dreaming?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's an obvious question.
unidentified		Because it happened every night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every night.
unidentified		I would rack my brain.
unidentified		I would talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know you were time traveling?
		In other words, you could see the stars passing, so you were obviously traveling.
		And, of course, scientists speculate if you travel far and fast enough, then you will, in effect, travel in time.
unidentified		Because let me turn my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Okay, there it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another subject.
unidentified		Okay, there we go.
		Now I got.
		Okay, thank you.
		Yeah, well, the reason why I know this was time travel was because as I progressed through this dream over the last 52 years, like I said, I'm pushing 60.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we've got to get to it here.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		The entity that was taking me, there was an entity taking me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we was going through time.
		And we would stop occasionally through our trip.
		And this entity...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		There was a Christmas story about this.
		Now, did you go forward or reverse in time?
unidentified		No, sir, we are going forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let me, cutting to the quick here, obviously you got to see some of the future.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, by all means, give me a couple of high points.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really what I want to say.
unidentified		Oh, a couple of high points.
unidentified		During this bad depression of stock markets and the bear market and all this stuff, when it was down so bad, I made 121% interest on my money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		121% in today's environment.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's why you're sitting in your yacht calling me right now.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I have been retired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, you used the information then that you gained to make good trades and become rich.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Not rich, sir.
		I never wanted to be rich.
		I never famous or nothing.
		I just want to be very comfortable and do the things I want to do and enjoy the world that the people call him God.
		I call him an envelope entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, listen, I've got to go, but good luck with the SEC.
		There was a story which purported to be a real story recently about a man who was being investigated by the SEC.
		I don't have the story in front of me, but the Securities and Exchange Commission.
		And when they popped him for insider trading, he told them that he was a time traveler.
		I mean, that's, you know, can you imagine laying that on the Securities and Exchange Commission?
		Well, yeah, hey, I'm a time traveler.
		And that's how I did this.
		Now, he, according to the story, made some incredible trades.
		Incredible, impossible trades.
unidentified		He put money on things that just went through the roof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, kind of like this guy was just saying.
		And it was an intriguing story, to be sure, because if true, it would indeed, wouldn't it, verify the possibility of time travel.
		Got to go and make a million bucks, right?
		And why not?
		Well, Art, because it's wrong.
		Well, yeah, but people would do it.
		It's human nature.
		If they knew, then, like Steve, they're on the yacht, they'd get themselves comfortable.
		So, you never know.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, yes.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
unidentified		This is Mike in Fontana, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mike.
unidentified		How you doing?
		Yeah, that was an interesting call, by the way.
		Very weird.
		But I wanted to bring up last night's guest.
		I heard most of the conversation last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		About intervention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean as in God putting his hand down and stopping a car accident or doing good or bad or whatever.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I believe that there is a God because he works miracles.
		The one thing why I believe that he works miracles is because.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I understand that, and I understand you probably have a good reason for thinking he works miracles, and sometimes it seems like he does, but he also works mysteriously.
		Well, see, that's, you know, let me get as dramatic on my side as you're getting.
		Let's face it, you know, millions of Jews, you know, went into gas chambers.
		I mean, horrible, horrible things happen.
		And, you know, is it the same hand?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		The Jews have gone through so much horror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not just the Jews, sir.
		There's horror around the world every day.
		Yeah, just horrible things happen.
unidentified		Religious wars have been going on for exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So is this all intervention, sir?
unidentified		To me, I believe that God allows suffering and pain because we allow our free will to take hold of us.
		And to do the wrong thing is to do the wrong thing.
		To the right thing is to the right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then are you saying that when bad things happen, it's our free will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When good things happen, it's God's hand intervening.
unidentified		No, not particularly not in good deeds or good ways.
		I believe that, I mean, give an example, I have a cousin in Chicago who's on I mean who's been having seizures and spells for the last year and he's been just bedridden and there's been a lot of grief on my mom's side of the family, especially my aunt, because she's the mother of my cousin.
		Yes.
		You know, there's a lot of things that, but that's what I'm talking about.
		I'm talking about mysterious ways that God can work through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that is, you know, on the other side of the point, that's always the answer you get when it's inexplicable.
unidentified		Inexplainable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it cannot be explained.
		Then inevitably you get the God works his ways, you know, mysterious ways.
		That's the only answer you get.
		And for many, it's enough.
		It's not for me.
		It's not for me.
		And I'm not saying that I don't believe in God because I think I do, actually.
		I absolutely think I absolutely think I'm pretty sure there is a God.
		You know, I really lean heavily on that side.
		But I do have questions, and a lot of clergy are not able to answer them.
		I think that's true for a lot of people.
		And a lot of times that's the only thing you get in answer to the bad things, the terrible things that happen.
		Well, you know, he works in mysterious ways.
		Well, they really are mysterious.
		You've got to accept that or else.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling from Burlington, Vermont.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way up in Burlington, Vermont.
unidentified		Yeah, Dave.
		Listen now, in response to the last caller, oh, my God, there's two laws.
		One supernatural and one natural.
		And when you violate either one, there are going to be consequences.
		That's just something to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which do you think is the greater power?
unidentified		Yeah, you make me think.
unidentified		Listen, in reference to the bacterium falling from outer space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		There was a report on television.
		Some meteorologists did a study with dust storms in the Middle East being carried into the stratosphere and staying there until it precipitated.
		Now, when the bacterium that was brought to the stratosphere would drop down through the precipitation, then that bacteria would be accountable for disease.
		Yes, sir.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, yeah, sure.
		I agree with you completely.
		I've got that story here.
		Yeah, this is very interesting.
		I mean, this appeared.
		The article is SARS in the Stars, right?
		You might want to look it up.
		It's in The Lancet, very well-respected medical journal in Britain.
		And they are finding stuff coming to us from space.
		They recovered biomaterial at high altitudes that only could have come from space.
		Now, we are constantly being bombarded by ice in the form of varying things that hit the Earth, you know.
		Piece of a comet, a little tiny cometary piece.
		It's water, you know, it's actually water.
		And inside that water, there could be bacteria that once they hit the atmosphere and things are a little warmer and nicer, why, they begin to percolate.
		So it could be that SARS came from the stars, and it could be that anything drops on us at any minute like SARS.
		Okay, like, here you go.
		Surprise.
		Here, deal with this.
		You know, is that intervention?
		Is that one from the hand of God?
		Or does it have something to do with free will?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Arab.
		This is Grace from Eugene, Oregon.
		Yes.
		I'd like to let you know that I've been affected by an alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Abducted by an alien?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And how I know that was I've been having these really bad, horrendous headaches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But a lot of people have headaches, right?
		That doesn't mean they've been created by aliens.
unidentified		True, but I had an MRI then, and there's two growths in my brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two growths in your brain.
unidentified		Yes, they're what they call bright spots.
unidentified		And there's no explanation why they should be there, but they just are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have two bright spots, and after they gave you an MRI, they probably put it up on the screen and they said, look at these two bright spots in your brain.
		They shouldn't be there.
		Is that what they said?
		They shouldn't be there, but they are?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did they say?
unidentified		They should not be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did they say they thought they were?
unidentified		They don't know.
		And before I went in to have the MRI done, I was on a ship that had a great big bright light on it, You were taken aboard a spacecraft.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was a not- It wasn't a dream.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know you were on board a spacecraft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might seem like a silly question, but how do you, I mean, did you just suddenly be there or what?
unidentified		I'm not really sure.
unidentified		All I know is that there were some grays, I guess that's what you call them, the ones with the big black eyes, two notches in the face for the nose, a very small mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what were you doing?
		Were you walking down the street?
		Were you asleep in bed when this happened?
unidentified		I was just laying down in bed, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laying down in bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're sure now that you didn't fall asleep and this was some sort of dream, this was real?
unidentified		I'm positive because I was in a lot of pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand.
		You may have a medical malady, but whether or not it's a result of implants put on board your head on board this ship, that's another question.
		Do you have any evidence that this is what happened to you?
unidentified		The only thing I have as evidence is MRI for the bright spots are in the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bright spots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, normally somebody would do an MRI on somebody and find bright spots on the brain would be tempted to take you to a neurosurgeon.
unidentified		that's who did it.
unidentified		It was the neurosurgeon that did this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So what do you think is going on?
		I mean, only you know what's in your head.
		Are you being told to do things?
		Is there some communication going on?
		Are you having some effect from whatever it is that's in your brain?
unidentified		Just a lot of pain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of pain.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that doesn't sound too good.
unidentified		No, it's not.
unidentified		It's not fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So the next time somebody out there wishes for an abduction, they should remember this lady's story.
		A lot of people call up simple.
		Oh, I wish I'd be abducted.
		I wish they'd take me.
		Let them take me.
		Well, how'd you like to end up with a couple of bright spots in your brain and constant headaches?
		Hmm?
		You might want to be very careful about that.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Uh, this is Charlie at KCMO.
unidentified		Some ten kilohertz, can kill me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the place, yes.
unidentified		Uh, I've got a uh solution, a link to the UFO field based on one of your calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a solution, you have a solution to the question of UFOs?
unidentified		Yes, uh, why the uh government's keeping them secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		I have a feeling that uh uh the caller called in about four years ago and said that he'd met a gray from the teacher about 60 years from the future.
unidentified		Yes, and that I don't know if he remembered the call or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um not specifically, but I can picture it occurring.
unidentified		And I'm wondering if that's the reason.
		You know, we were ordered off the moon, according to a Robert O'Dean report on George Nori.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean when Robert O'Dean was on with George?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert said we were ordered off the moon.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Very high official, which was Ed Mitchell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed Mitchell, the astronaut?
unidentified		Yes, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could Ed that doesn't make sense?
unidentified		Ed told Robert O'Dean in person that we were ordered off the moon around 1970 or 1969.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've interviewed Ed a whole bunch of times, and he's never said anything like that.
unidentified		I know it.
		This is brand new information.
		It just came up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll say it.
		Holy mackerel.
		All right, look, we're coming to the top of the hour here, and so I'm going to have to hold it there.
		Can anybody verify what that man said?
		Astronaut Ed Mitchell, did he actually say we were all ordered off the moon by eye official?
		Who could that be?
		And why would they do it?
unidentified		We'll see you next time.
		I gave you love, I thought that we had made it to the top.
		I gave you all, I had to give, but I didn't have to stop.
		You're going all sky high by telling me a lie without a reason why.
		You're going all sky high.
		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Filling in for George, tonight's special guest host is Art Bell.
		To talk with Art, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		East of the Rockies, call 800-825-5033.
		And west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach ART by calling the AT ⁇ T International Operator and dialing toll-free, 800-893-0903.
		Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am again.
		All right, now, it's Open Lines.
		Anything you want to talk about, anything at all is fair game, with the exception of the time travel line.
		Reserved for those who claim to have traveled in time.
		And I'm quite serious about that, and I have a low threshold of tolerance for obvious frauds.
		So if you're going to be a fraud, be a good one.
		That line is area code 775-727-1222.
		That's 775-727-1222.
		It's the only purpose for that line, despite what the man with a deep voice says, Ross Mitchell.
unidentified		So in a moment, we'll continue with the unknown.
unidentified		So in a moment, we'll continue with the unknown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, into the night, on my time traveler line, you are upon the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
unidentified		Who are you looking for?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who am I looking for?
unidentified		Let's be nunchy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for a blonde about...
		Kidding.
		Who are you looking for?
unidentified		Who am I looking for?
		Yeah.
		Nobody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody.
		But nevertheless, you did call my special time traveler.
		Traveler line.
		So you are a time traveler, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So what shall we call you?
unidentified		I don't think you could call me a time traveler because I don't know how to time travel.
unidentified		I don't have a machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you have to.
		No, I meant as in a name.
		Let's begin simply here.
unidentified		I traveled into the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what is your name?
unidentified		Nunshi.
unidentified		It means the little people in Cherokee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nunshi?
		Nunshi, really?
		That's an elegant name.
		All right, Nunshi.
		You traveled into the future.
unidentified		Yes, in 1988.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did it happen?
unidentified		I went to bed.
		I went to sleep.
		I woke up, early morning hours, everybody asleep.
		And my bedroom door was open.
		And I knew I must walk.
		I must get out of bed and walk down the hall.
		And when I went down the hall to the entry hall, the front door was open.
		And I knew I was going to go meet ghosts, people who had died.
		I understood in my understanding, in my understanding, I thought of them as ghosts.
		I thought it was going to be extremely boring.
		I'm not happy about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meeting dead people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, why did you, first of all, why, even with what happened, would you have a knowing that this was what was going to occur?
unidentified		Because the Great Spirit, his name is Jesus.
		He told me.
		Somehow he spoke to my innermost being, to my heart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soon.
unidentified		And I knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jesus told you you were about to meet dead people.
unidentified		Yes, but I didn't quite understand him.
		So I was, in my ability to understand him, I thought, oh, it's going to be ghost-stream.
		Oh, they're going to be see-through.
		There's going to be mist around them.
		When they speak, it's going to echo.
		It's going to be very boring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very standard, most to your surprise.
unidentified		I knew that my path was to walk out into the front yard.
		I got to the end of the driveway.
		We have Chain Link Front Fence.
		I live in Sacramento, California.
		And I put my hand on the Chain Link Fence post.
		And I saw lines of people.
		And these were all the people who had ever lived.
		Yes, everybody who has ever lived.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they seem happy?
unidentified		They did not seem happy or sad either way.
		And at the time, see, I was not, I hadn't yet been enlightened.
		At the end, I would start to understand.
		I thought they were just ghosts.
		So my attitude was very rude and disrespectful because I thought it was all very boring.
		I didn't realize what was taking place was real and it was in the future.
		And I, oh, when I, when you die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you suggesting then that the future you saw, in the future you saw, everyone was dead?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you're telling me?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, I don't, no, at the time of my death.
unidentified		This was at the time of my death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your death?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I met people, and when you die, you go through these receiving lines, and you must take both your hands.
		They reach out to you with both their hands.
		You grasp hands with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, somehow you would think when you die, lines would be one thing that you'd be able to avoid, but no, huh?
unidentified		No.
		But it's interesting because something was taking place that I was understanding in my innermost being, that in my conscious mind I didn't quite know.
		But every time I grasped hands with each person, I knew all about them.
		I knew if they were good or if they were evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what difference does it make?
		They're dead.
		They were dead, right?
unidentified		No.
		No.
		I thought they were dead.
		They were not dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They weren't dead.
unidentified		It is me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was you, though.
unidentified		I found out who the ghost was.
unidentified		I found out the person who had the death in them was me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so this was your death experience, huh?
unidentified		No, I mean, I know that when I die, I know it is going to be on the street.
		I know the name of the street.
		And I know that when I die, I will go to that receiving line, and I will not be afraid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you know, it was very real.
		All right, yes, I've got that right.
		Well, I don't, I guess in a sense, that might qualify as time travel, but that's awfully loose.
		Now, what am I talking about when I'm talking about time travel?
		I'm talking about real time travel, which I suppose is laughable unto itself, in a way, isn't it?
		Because we don't really know that time travel is real.
		I just strongly suspect that it is.
		Very strongly.
		And we will encounter one.
		Her experience was interesting, though, wasn't it?
		What a surprise.
		You're going to meet dead people.
		Well, she must not have heard correctly because it turns out she was the one that was dead.
		And that was her death.
		And she's going to go to a line when she dies.
		I just, I can't even imagine that.
		Lions are bad enough in life, but now we're going to have to face them in death as well.
		I mean, somehow you feature this misty, never-ending line of people who've just died, you know, waiting for their processing or whatever.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Joe listening on KLBJ, Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		Well, about a week or two before your back went out the last time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I called and suggested that you get your family cane remote viewed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I did.
unidentified		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I most certainly did.
unidentified		What were the results?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The results were very specific.
		Well, the actual results were not specific, and that it is not yet found.
		However, Ed Dames told me where the cane was.
		It was in a foot locker.
		And actually, it's entirely possible.
		We're looking for an aunt of mine who may have received a foot locker after my father's passing in which it is said that cane is contained.
		Now, we're searching for her now to have her look for exactly that.
		So there's no end result yet.
		In other words, we haven't reached her and we don't know.
		But it's very much pointing in that direction.
		And when I told my mother about the remote viewing, she said, oh, contact Aunt.
		I won't give her name.
		And so that's the stage we're at now.
		We haven't found it yet because we haven't found her, but we're looking.
unidentified		Well, it sounds like it may work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
unidentified		Did you know that your bumper stickers for your radio station are being sold on eBay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		And thank you very much.
		I wish to address that, please.
		I would like to point out, my wife and I, you know, we have a cool thing going on here.
		You know, it's just in perump, right?
		Little perump.
		Really cool ones.
		K-N-Y-E bumper stickers.
		Things that go perump in the night.
		Well, for some reason, these bumper stickers have become some sort of an item beyond all expectation.
		I think we have had, Han, if you would please come in here, she'll hear this six seconds later.
		If you'd come in here, tell me how many bumper stickers we've got out right now.
		We gave these to people in town, and, you know, they're all over the place.
		They're on everybody's car.
		It's incredible.
		We're glad they love the radio.
		How many?
		17,000?
		Bumper stickers.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		17,000 bumper stickers.
		And they really are cool.
		And unfortunately, they've become an item.
		And yes, this person is right.
		They are on eBay.
		Now, listen to me.
		You have no right to sell our bumper stickers on eBay.
		We don't want, it's not the idea.
		We didn't want these to become some sort of thing that people everywhere want.
		These were, you have to understand for the listeners of KNY Radio, but unfortunately, it's totally, utterly out of control.
		People are sending the bumper stickers all over the world.
		They're on eBay.
		Oh, God, what are we going to do?
		I have no idea.
		They are cool, but please, folks, understand, this is just a radio station bumper sticker.
		It's very cool, but it's meant for the people here in Prump.
		They should not be sold on eBay.
		They should not be out of control.
		Totally out of control.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art Michael in Norfolk, Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, Michael.
unidentified		Last night's guest.
unidentified		Very interesting on one hand, but disappointing on another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would agree exactly with that sentiment.
		what he was discussing was so interesting yeah and and but yet he was I think that he really wanted to say all this and explain it to us as his belief system, which would have been a much more interesting way to do it.
		Instead, he sort of presented a never-ending series of quotes from researchers and so forth to sort of lead us down that path without saying, here's what I believe.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of how it hit me.
unidentified		Well, I thought you did a good job of turning him around on that.
		But the thing that I found disappointing, he didn't give any evidence that he took a scientific approach to examining the question of God's intervention in history.
		And what he should have done is he should have, as a scientist, described what criteria he would have had in searching out that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What criterion would you lay down to say, aha, the hand of God intervened here?
unidentified		Well, first of all, I wouldn't start at the other end of the macrocosmic universal scale on the origin of the universe to do it.
		I would do as we do in science.
		We take the Einsteins of science, we key in on them, and we see what we can learn from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's always this possibility of terrible error.
		I mean, hindsight is 2020.
		As we look back at giant events of the world, it's very easy to say God intervened after Ronald Reagan said, tear down that wall, or any other major event in history.
		It's 2020 hindsight, right?
unidentified		No, no, no.
		Here's my point.
		If we look at the methodology, for example, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus Christ.
		Okay, you got five big ones.
		You got about the same thing on the scientific side.
		How do these men differ in their approach to God than the average theologian or professional preacher?
		Very, very different.
		They were in no sense professional theologians.
		And it's like asking an electrician to critique Einstein's two theories of relativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let me go back to where I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what criterion would you lay down for saying, aha, the hand of God intervened here?
unidentified		Well, first of all, you don't put the prover in the position of having to describe...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked you straight out, what criterion would you lay down for saying, aha, a case where God intervened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Straight question.
unidentified		Well, I have to respond to your question.
		I was saying, I was answering your question directly.
		You don't put anybody, including yourself, as you're trying to test this question, you don't put anybody in the position of having to in any sense describe what God is like.
		You do this.
		You say, first of all, were there superior human beings?
		Did they give evidence that there were superior beings above them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily God, but he alluded to that, the possibility of others having been our creators.
unidentified		Pardon me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He alluded to that, the possibility of others having been our creators.
unidentified		Well, okay, but you have to go up the scale.
		So if we have superior beings with superior knowledge and wisdom to human beings, they would be a key, they would be the first step to take towards finding out more about God.
		We find out what those superior beings say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's great if we get a chance to do it, but so far we haven't had any proof of contact with alien beings or spirit beings of any kind, have we?
		Other than that which is, for example, contained in the Bible.
		If you want to look for places where God intervened, there's plenty of them described in the Bible if you want to believe that that occurred.
		Otherwise, you still really did not answer my question about the criterion of knowing when he put his hand here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave in Nevada City, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		And I have the explanation for the DC on your ham radio antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear it.
unidentified		Well, I'm a ham, an electrical engineer, and I've been designing broadcast transmitters since 1975.
		And the answer is in this month's issue of the Old Timers Bulletin.
		That's the journal of the Antique Wireless Association.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well aware of it, yes.
unidentified		Well, look on page 36 then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say it was sitting right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said I'm well aware of the publication.
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
		Anyway, basically there's a DC charge in the atmosphere of about 300 volts per meter.
		And there's a story in this magazine about the Alexanderson alternators at Haiku, Hawaii in World War II.
		And these were very low-frequency transmitters used for submarine communications.
		And they had some antennas that were very similar in some ways to your ham antenna.
		They had cables that were two miles long and 2,200 feet high over the valley at the ends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They also did it buried in the Midwest for sub-communications.
unidentified		Yeah, that was at even lower frequencies than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
unidentified		This is at 16 kilohertz, and I believe that was down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the ones you're talking about were in the air.
unidentified		Yeah, they were up in the air.
unidentified		And as a result, the author mentions that the antenna had to be grounded for some repairs, and he was there when the knife switch was opened to remove the ground, and he observed four-inch sparks that were drawn across the contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Well, this is not trivial.
		And while what you're saying is absolutely true, I mean, it's undeniable.
		It's true.
		I'm experiencing it right here.
		What I want to know is, why hasn't this ever been pursued as a power source short of what Tesla might have been pointing us toward?
		What the hell went wrong that we just sort of dropped the ball on this and we make it as an observation?
		My God, look at all the voltage, but we haven't attempted to do anything with it.
unidentified		Well, you're not going to get current.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now wait.
unidentified		It's going to be delivered through a very high impedance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you might like to explain to me how I can take one side of that antenna when it's off ground, slap it to ground, I get a big bang, just like you were talking about?
		And then with a voltmeter connected to it, I observe that the rise time of the voltage is immediate.
		In other words, it doesn't slowly rise and build back up as in a static discharge with very low current.
		It's there immediately.
		And if I want to, I can sit there and go, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and discharge it that fast.
		Now, that wouldn't be the kind of static buildup that you're describing.
unidentified		Well, in this particular antenna, they've got 200,000 volts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And so during construction of this antenna system, it says they had to keep, they had to go to great pains to keep the thing grounded so people wouldn't get hurt.
unidentified		But yeah, you can get some energy out of it, but not a huge amount.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's because it hasn't been done on a scale that intentionally is looking for energy.
		I'm saying there's something here, and I think Etcola Tesla was on to it, and it just wasn't pursued.
		It's never been pursued.
		It's been regarded as more of a hassle, a bother, and something to get rid of than to be thought of as a possible energy source.
		Do you follow me?
unidentified		Yeah, I think what you'd get out of it would be milliwatts because it's being delivered to the high impedance of the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Science has got to be pursued.
		It's got to be pursued, and it never has been.
		I've got a break here, and I appreciate your call.
		And you're dead right.
		In some respects, you're dead right.
		But this has got to be pursued.
		It's what Nikola Tesla was working on, and it could be some kind of ultimate answer should we decide to pursue it.
		Good morning.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		It don't come easy.
		I'm Art Bell.
		But you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy.
		It's tasty some of mine.
		Girl, you got me thirsty.
		For another cup of wine.
		Got a bug from you, girl.
		But I don't need a cure.
		I just ain't a victim.
		If I can for sure.
		From Coast to Coast and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Filling in for George, tonight's special guest host is Art Bell.
		To talk with Art, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		East of the Rockies call 800-825-5033.
		And west of the Rockies call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach ARC by calling the AT ⁇ T International Operator and dialing toll-free, 800-893-0903.
		Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In it a wonderful world, and it continues to turn and turning on it with you, all of you, are the people you're listening to tonight.
		Something you're going to want to bear very closely in mind as you travel around the spinning world.
		Anyway, good morning.
		The time traveler line is Area Code 775-727-1222.
		And very safe about that only those that have traveled in time.
		If that's not you, just hang the phone up and we'll give somebody who actually has travel in time an opportunity to call.
		In the meantime, a quick break, and then we're right back.
unidentified		Action!
unidentified		Action!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that commercial reminds me, Larry King owes me an interview.
		I went on Larry King's program for an hour, and then I made him promise that he would do an interview with me, which he never did.
		So, Larry, or Larry's handlers, who also, by the way, spewed out several promises in that regard, it's time to fulfill them.
		Now, one of these days I'll be back filling in once again for George, no doubt, and I expect call to the producers of this program from Larry King or his people agreeing to do an interview.
		Come on, Larry, it'll be fun.
		I'd love to do a love to interview Larry King, turn the tables around, interview Larry King.
		He's been quite something over the years, hasn't he?
		One of the very few, by the way, that has successfully made the transition from radio to television.
		Most talk show hosts who try TV fall flat on their faces, not Larry.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you, Archie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Kimberly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kimberly.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kimberly, what's up?
unidentified		Well, I think I told you when you answered the phone, I said, I'm a witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a witch?
unidentified		Yes, I've been practicing Wicca for probably over five years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aha, Wicca.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The white witchcraft, right?
unidentified		Well, personally, my belief in that is magic is in the intent of the heart of the witch.
		It's neither white nor black.
		It's the intent in which you send it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now what kind of Wiccan are you?
		Most Wiccans, I do believe, think that there is no such thing as what I call a real broom-riding cauldron stirring witch.
		They don't think there's any such thing, only Wicca.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, I happen to be very open to all forms of witchcraft that are out there, although Wicca is the religion part of it.
		But I mean, I personally don't believe in casting harm on someone, but if it was deemed necessary, I could try to find a safe way to do it without harming too many people.
		Including yourself, including myself, exactly.
		But the reason I was calling, you had had a show on quite a while back when I first started listening to you about people who have this strange reaction when they get around electronic equipment.
		It seems to break down on them.
		Yes.
		And I noticed that happens to me usually after a ritual for about a week later.
		I screw up the computer.
		My watches don't work.
		The microwave goes on the Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're exactly the kind of person that I wouldn't let anywhere near my room.
unidentified		It doesn't happen very often, just usually, and the effect goes away for a while until I happen to generate a lot of the ways that you can get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but being in the wrong place at the wrong time, you could destroy thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars of electronic equipment just like that.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it's freaky when it happens to me because it actually drains me to the point where I get sick usually.
		Because I've given so much back that, you know, in terms of what I've put out, it's just okay.
		So you can have it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a Pentium killer.
unidentified		Yeah, I try not to be, but I can't help it.
		These things happen.
		I just, like, after when I go meet my friends, afterwards, after a, you know, are they still your friends?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		They just, they have a very hard time.
unidentified		I generate so much energy, it's kind of like I'm walking around with this aura about 10 feet around me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pop light bulbs, that kind of thing?
unidentified		No, just it's mainly, you know, I can't wear watches on my wrist.
		I can wear them around my neck and they're fine, but I can't wear watches on my wrist.
		I can't be near the stereo.
		It makes the radio stations jump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say to you except stay the heck away from me.
		I just dearly love all my electronics, and to see somebody walk into the room and then snap, crackle, and pop, that'd be heartbreaking for everybody concerned.
		Anybody else out there with that kind of an aura?
		There really are people like that.
		There really are people like that.
		They break things.
		They really do break things.
		That's not a joke.
		They seem to have some effect on electronic circuitry.
		And I don't have the faintest clue what it could be, but I know that it is true.
		These people get around things that otherwise work well.
		But give them a couple of minutes in the area of your DVD, and that's all she wrote.
		On my time traveler line, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes.
		Well, my father died several years ago, and he used to take these 8-millimeter movies, and as you know, the 8-millimeter movies you could look at just by hand.
		You could see each little frame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		You could pull it.
		I did a lot of that and just look at each single frame.
		That's right.
unidentified		Lovely.
		So, what he did was he took these 25-foot reels and then he spliced them together to make a 400-foot reel.
		Now, the last 25-foot reel that he took, I did not open.
		For some reason, I didn't open that for about 20 years.
		I don't know why, but I just didn't.
		When I finally opened it up and I tried to squint to see the little pictures and see who was in it, all of a sudden, I felt a change in my mental state.
		I felt that I was myself from the 1960s visiting in the 1990s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
		Isn't that interesting?
		Because there's something called a flicker rate.
		I don't even know if I can get this all out correctly, but there's something about looking at a certain flicker rate that affects the human brain frequently.
		And so there is something to what you're saying.
		And so you're saying as you began to run these frames past you, you began to move into them, sort of be a way to say it, I guess, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, my mind, I felt I was myself in the 1960s visiting the 1990s.
		But it wasn't flickering.
		It was just in my hand.
		I was just looking at each frame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you were producing a flicker rate, you see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually were, believe me.
unidentified		Yeah, I was.
unidentified		But the thing is that afterwards, I have tried to do this again, and it has not worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't worked.
		At the time that it did occur, how real did everything seem?
		How affected were you?
		I mean, were you totally immersed in this time?
		Were you actually there?
		Were you catching little flickers and flashes of it?
		Or were you there?
		How far to go?
unidentified		No, I felt that I was visiting.
unidentified		It was like I was visiting another city, but I was visiting another time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got that.
		But what I mean is, your senses, the things you saw, the things you felt you heard that were all around you, were you really there, or was it just sort of a little sense of it?
		You know, I'm trying to get an idea of the scale of.
unidentified		No, I was in the 1990s.
		I was aware that I was in the 1990s.
		But for myself, in other words, any knowledge that I had gained, like I'd studied stenotype in the 1960s, now I know it.
		But had anybody asked me to do it, I don't think I'd be able to do it at least immediately.
		My mindset was in the 1960s.
		And I was aware that I had temporarily become myself in the 1960s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was aware of that.
		Isn't that interesting?
		Isn't that interesting?
		I actually remember those little 25-footers, and I remember splicing them together.
		So yeah, I remember all of that.
unidentified		Yeah, they were great.
		The thing is that I've tried this again.
		It hasn't worked.
		And my theory is that the atmosphere, since this package has been closed for 20 years, the little puff of atmosphere of air in that may have just entered my nostrils.
		So I think that if you go into an Egyptian tomb without the idea of getting treasure, but simply going back in time, if you collect the air from that, bring it back, and have somebody just breathe in that air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think that could do it, huh?
		All right, well, you know, all right, thank you.
		That's a very, very interesting story.
		Now, I don't know about your theory of it being a little bit of trapped air from that time, but I think I would personally lean more toward the whole concept of your reeling that in front of your eyes, that old 8mm stuff where you could look at it frame by frame and where you could produce a certain flicker rate.
		I'm not trying to dictate your experience.
		I'm just saying that as you unwound that and looked at it, you produced a certain flicker rate.
		So it could, another good theory, would be that when you reached a certain flicker rate, as you unfolded this film, something happened.
		And you were taken to that time.
		You were, in essence, actually there for a moment.
		You opened it up a little bit.
		That could be.
		Easy as your theory, anyway.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Is this a first-time caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a wildcard line.
unidentified		Oh, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, I'm a first-time caller, and I've been waiting, so I don't want to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, so now's the time.
unidentified		Okay, well, I want to address the question that you posted to the guest that was on last night.
unidentified		You asked him, did time exist before the Big Bang?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Assuming there was a Big Bang.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I think we can answer that by using inductive and deductive logic.
		If you imagine pure empty space in a vacuum, the kind that you'd find like in your TV set, the tube of it.
		And if you add now the element of time, this space will start to curve.
		And before it reaches the point of infinite curvature, it will start to break up like foam.
		This occurs around 10 to the minus 31st power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In empty space, if we are to imagine before there was anything, before God or whoever they were produced his big bang, there's only space.
		There is no objects.
		Therefore, there is no ability for man or alien or anybody to measure time.
		So there couldn't really be time.
		The only way you could have time is if you have at least two objects that are moving with respect and relationship to each other.
		So you could measure that movement and say, aha, time passes.
		Things change.
unidentified		Well, see, you're absolutely right.
		But now we're just going to assume that the element of time exists.
		And if we do Allow this, then that space will start to curve.
		And it'll start to curve in on itself.
		Before it reaches the point of infinite curvature, it will start breaking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about space?
unidentified		Yes, pure empty space in a vacuum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I just can't wrap my head around that.
		Pure empty space.
		How can pure empty space be doing anything prior to a creation?
		Pure empty space is just that.
		It can't wind around anything.
		It's empty.
unidentified		That's right.
		And we can observe that in our own universe, that space does curve.
		And when it does curve...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are things there.
		Now we can see that curvature that you're talking about.
		But how can you postulate it was there prior to the existence of anything material?
unidentified		Okay, now we're just going just for a second now.
		Let's assume that it was that way, that it was totally empty.
		It did start to curve.
		And when it reached this point of infinite curvature, it started breaking up as foam.
		This is called multiplying interconnectedness.
		That's what Albert Einstein called it.
		And each one of those little points is coming into existence and disappearing randomly.
		And each one of those points is connected to the other point.
		On this side of the universe and on the other side of the universe, what happens to one point will happen to the other.
		Now, we've got to assume this, but if we do assume it, we can explain how matter came into existence because each of these little points are points of energy.
		Now, I know we had to take a giant leap of faith there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, it's the same giant leap of faith that you have to take regarding the Big Bang.
		You're just simply requiring us to take the leap at a different point.
		That's all.
		You're sort of pushing forward this theory about empty space being responsible for the creation of matter.
		But still, when it gets to that instant, you're making us take the giant leap of faith that's just as hard to take, frankly, with regard to the Big Bang, the whole that came out of something smaller than a quark, everything that now is that you can see all the stars, all the planets.
		It's just every bit as big of a leap of faith your way as it is the old Big Bang way.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, it's me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You indeed, yes.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller, and I'm not a time traveler, so I couldn't call on the first-time caller line.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on AM800 in Windsor, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
unidentified		But I'm in Port Huron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		A little bit farther north.
		I just had a comment about, man, a question about your antenna.
		Okay.
		I think I heard something on some cable channel years ago about this gentleman who had refurbished an old mill.
		He had a water wheel, and he was producing energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said, and I haven't been able to get online and verify it, I wasn't that interested, but he said something that it was federal law, that the local utility company had to buy that energy from him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Well, I don't know about federal law.
		In some states, it is law, like in California, for example.
		And even in other places, but there's small print, you know, and what they don't tell you is that in a lot of places, like the one I live in, for example, yes, they have to, by law, buy it back from you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, and it's a big but, they will only buy it at wholesale rates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'll sell to me at retail, but they expect me to sell to them at wholesale.
unidentified		Well, he thought it was really cool that instead of him sending the utility company a check every month, they sent him one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it can be done.
		It can be done.
		But again, I actually went down there and talked to him.
		They said, oh, I've got to put in another meter, and we'll only buy it from you at wholesale rates, big discount rates.
		And on the other hand, if you need it, we'll sell it to you at retail.
		And I thought, hmm, that doesn't seem right.
unidentified		Yeah, they're probably not producing much to make it worthwhile to install the equipment and everything either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but there would be certainly incredible joy, wouldn't there, in watching a meter run backwards.
unidentified		Yes, yes, it would.
unidentified		And maybe getting a little teeny weeny check from the utility company instead of sending them a huge one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead of a bill, you mean, yeah.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		All right, that's all I had to say.
unidentified		I won't monopolize the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		Take care.
		Yes, I generate electricity here, and so I actually went and I checked into it.
		And believe me, that is the deal.
		Now, in California, I'm told it's a little different.
		And in California, they'd probably have to pay you what you pay them, which seems to me to be fair.
		Or maybe I've got it all wrong.
		Maybe, as a supplier of electricity, it's only fair that they don't have to pay from their point of view.
		I'm sure they don't have to pay me more than they pay other suppliers of electricity.
		Perhaps to them, that would seem unfair.
		From my point of view, I ought to be able to sell it at the same rate I buy it for, but I don't know.
		It's one of those things.
		And we really don't have time to take another call.
		I want to remind you that our time traveler line is open for those of you who have actually traveled in time.
		The RealMcCoy at area code 775-727-1222.
		That's the number.
		775-727-1222.
		If you have traveled in time.
		In the meantime, we'll break here at the top of the hour and come back and continue with all of this.
		Open lines.
		Otherwise, anything you want to talk about is a spare game on any other line.
		Just that one single line.
		Hold it open, folks.
		for those who have actually traveled the halls of time.
		Come back.
unidentified		When the sun comes up on a city little town down around Santa Claus and the folks are rising for another day People of the town are strange and the crowd will wear the game Where you talking about time will grow Where you talking about time will grow.
		Where you talking about time will grow.
		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Filling in for George, tonight's special guest host is Art Bell.
		To talk with Art, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
		The first-time caller line is area code 775-727-1222.
		East of the Rockies, call 800-825-5033.
		And west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
		International callers may reach ART by calling the AT ⁇ T International Operator and dialing toll-free, 800-893-0903.
		Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's such a nice mellow song, isn't it?
		Good morning, everybody.
		This is Coast to Coast AM on a Friday night, Saturday morning, open lines with all of them, with the exception of the time travel line.
		Time travelers only at area code 775-727-1222.
		All other lines are good for whatever it is you'd like to talk about.
		sort of a tradition here on friday night saturday mornings and we'll get right back to it uh...
unidentified		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back into the night we go.
		Good morning.
		You're on the Air Coast Coast AM with our bell for George Norrie, and you're on the time traveler line, which means that you must be a time traveler.
		Right?
unidentified		This is true.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true, huh?
		All right.
		What shall we call you?
unidentified		My name is Cross.
unidentified		I'm listening on KSTP in Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cross.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cross, is that correct?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Cross.
		So you've traveled in time.
		In what manner, please?
unidentified		Actually, I was taken there by another individual.
unidentified		His name is Malachi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malachi?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when did this occur and where did you go?
unidentified		Or when you're here?
		Actually, it's happened on multiple occasions.
		The first time I went to the year 2045.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a very good year because that's within reach.
		I mean, almost all of us alive today, or no, many of us alive today, will live to see that year.
		I may not.
		But we certainly have a natural curiosity about the year 2045, not that far in the future.
		What lies ahead?
		Can you give us any hint?
		What did you see?
unidentified		It's actually more of a, I guess you could say, a medieval or tribal setting.
		There is no technology.
		It's more of an inner peace kind of atmosphere.
		People are on a one-on-one basis with each other, almost more on a telepathic level than actually through technology of cell phones or computers.
		In fact, there is no technology to be found.
		It's almost a...
		Yeah, no more cell phones.
		Thank God someday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the future's brighter already.
		So you're saying that human beings begin to evolve into telepathic spiritual creatures, and we begin to drop all the trappings of technology.
		Is that it?
unidentified		That is correct.
		And I believe, from my understanding of the experience of visually seeing what was going on, it's all brought about by, in a sense, a higher being from somewhere.
		I don't know if it's a religious entity or if it's a spiritual entity or if it's an outer space type entity or whatnot.
		But something comes to Earth and has touched these individuals in the future and has taught them the old age capabilities, I guess, in a sense, that all humans have and how to reuse them that they haven't used in a long time.
		And at the point in 2045, it's almost already has been for a good five, six years, so it's almost evolved to a point where it's a natural occurrence.
		And that's why the technology is washed away and the lack of need for the modern-day need of communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There goes the NASDAQ again.
		Well, interesting.
		And so then you saw people walking around serenely in a state of contemplative communication with each other.
		And it was a totally different world than we have today.
		But you're not quite sure what got us there, whether it was alien intervention, God's hand coming down and changing everything or evolution or just what, huh?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		And then a major event between now and 2045 that will modify, and you know, that's kind of interesting in a lot of ways because there are a number of remote viewers who have suggested that they have this barrier where some major event, and some have even suggested a biblical Proportions will occur that will modify humanity in such a way that it's so unrecognizable that they actually can't read what's going on.
		So that's the sort of thing that he alluded to right there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello, Barbara, listening to you on K-N-Y-E in her run.
		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right for you, Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Hey, I can't believe I got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		I want to talk to you.
unidentified		I want your opinion, actually, on shadow people and animals, and if you think that animals are cognizant to shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I certainly do.
unidentified		Because, well, I know you and Ramon are really animal lovers and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it's obvious.
		I mean, cats see shadow beings.
		Whatever they are, cats see them.
		There's no question about it.
unidentified		Cats see them.
		You know, because I work at a horse ranch, and we've got our tree farm that's adjacent to us.
		And, you know, I kept catching these glimpses of things out of the corner of my eye.
		And I thought, whatever.
		I've been in this desert sun too long.
		And, you know, I just blew it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that possibility, Barbara.
unidentified		Oh, I know, I know, believe me, especially lately.
		But one day it was just really weird because we had a bunch of horses in the pasture, and it just caught my eye because everybody was looking in the same direction, just staring.
		Usually, obviously, that means they're seeing something.
		And this was one day where I turned, I looked, and it was just clear as a bell.
		This person, guy, girl, whatever, in a long dark, almost like a, what do you call those things, those dusters, and a hat, and just walking along the tree line, and then just turned, walked into the tree line, and boom, gone.
		It was the strangest thing.
		It just sent chills up my spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Barbara, thank you.
		It's really cool that you saw one of them.
		I never for one second doubt in my mind that animals see these beings.
		I don't for one second doubt that whatever the heck they are, they are there, these shadow beings.
		And if you don't know what a shadow being is, it's something, it's a creature or an entity or a something that we're all able to see at times, perhaps only fleetingly from the corner of our eyes, almost as a flicker.
		In fact, some have suggested that looking at monitors and slaving in front of a computer every day, you're subjected to a certain flicker rate by that monitor.
		You can actually check the operating system, see where it is that you're getting.
		And that that will eventually morph human beings' ability to see at a different rate.
		And by that I mean that these creatures, these entities are at a slightly different vibrational rate.
		So when you get adjusted by a flicker to a different rate yourself, you begin to see these things, sort of, out of the corner of your eye.
		Quick movements that, you know, you sort of shake your head and say, no, no, there's nothing really there.
		It was just, you know, sort of a, no, it wasn't.
		You really saw something.
		And I think that animals, cats in particular, and perhaps dogs and even horses, Barbara, see these things as well.
		And then one day you were lucky enough or unlucky enough, depending on your point of view, to see one yourself.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Hi.
		This is Ed calling from Toledo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ed.
unidentified		Albert Einstein proposed that time and space are closely related.
unidentified		And as we hurtle through the universe in our galaxy, we're constantly moving through the galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed so.
unidentified		The Earth is moving within our galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's moving right along, sir, yes.
unidentified		And I think I would propose that we're all time travelers as we move along on the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the broadest sense, we are.
		Yes.
		But I'm talking very specifically about the ability to actually traverse time forward or no, I'm thinking forward, maybe.
unidentified		As we as humans on the Earth move on the Earth, at times we're moving in opposition to all these natural movements in the universe.
		And I think there's a universal time.
		And as we move on the Earth in opposition to this natural movement, I think we get out of sync with time.
		And we have all experienced deja vu.
		And I believe at some point we get to a point where we've moved enough in opposition that we're out of sync with that universal time.
		And therefore, we experience deja vu.
		And so we don't get all out of whack.
		At some point, we have to come back.
		And so we experience deja vu and we're back into whack with universal time.
		So I think we're all time travelers at one point or another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I don't know if I agree with that.
		Deja vu is just the sense that you have been somewhere or done something previously, right?
		And that's winding a pretty intricate theory around that feeling, which could come from anything.
		It could be very meaningful or not meaningful at all.
		It could be just our little neurons firing in a specific way, and you go, you know, like, wow, I've been in this room or something.
		It could be simply a sort of a little misfire of a couple of neurons, or it could be something very profound.
		I don't know.
		But that's jumping to quite an elaborate theory regarding the dej vu experience.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		It's Joe in Tucson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Joe.
unidentified		Hi, I'm not a time traveler, but I am an astronomer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm calling.
		Well, I want to say that one of the fond moments I remember on your shows in the past was when a time traveler, you know, a self-proclaimed time traveler called you and addressed you as Senator.
		Addressed you as Senator Bell.
		I was rolling in laughter at that.
		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was too.
unidentified		I loved it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's about the least likely thing to ever happen to me.
unidentified		Sounded appropriate, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It fits you.
		No, it doesn't.
		You know, I am intrigued, but more repulsed by politics.
unidentified		Ah, well.
unidentified		I just like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's an unlikely thing to occur.
unidentified		I like the very respectable sound of it.
unidentified		That's the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if it does occur, then time is one mean mistress indeed, I'll tell you, because I just don't like the whole process of politics.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about the Vatican Observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That's really why I'm calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		You know, George, the past couple of weeks, has raised some interesting questions about it.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		And I don't think he's gotten a full answer.
unidentified		He was perplexed as to why the church would, in fact, have an observatory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what praytal do you think the Catholics are up there looking for?
unidentified		Oh, I have a pretty good idea.
unidentified		I know a number of the Vatican astronomers personally and have known some of them since 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even the Vatican astronomers, in quotes here, might not know what they're looking for.
		I mean, the Vatican, at the Vatican, they have in mind something very specific.
		What do you suppose that might be?
unidentified		Well, first of all, we have to start where your dear friend Malachi Martin began, which was that he talked about the Jesuits and how they are, in the church, the most scholarly and the most intellectual order of all the priests.
		They do study academic subjects very intently, and they do really groundbreaking research in the fields, just as other workers in, you know, secular, non-religious workers do in the fields.
		And that stretches all the way from medicine, practical fields, even engineering, and even astronomy, basic research in astronomy and astrophysics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the Catholics are looking for, sir?
unidentified		They're just trying to advance that field, just as they're trying to advance and make headway in any other of the academic fields that they go into.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they were to see something that was obvious through that wonderful telescope they have in Arizona where the air is thin and observant is great, and they saw something that really just put kibosh on perhaps something they've been teaching from Rome all these years, what do you think they do with that info?
unidentified		Well, you know, I think they would publish, just as they publish everything else that they study.
		But I tell you what, Art, that telescope, although it's a very advanced telescope and has beautiful, wonderful detectors on it, it's on Mount Graham, Arizona, by the way, 10,300 feet altitude.
		Indeed.
		Very dry.
		The point is, that telescope is only a six-foot telescope, 72 inches.
		It's really dwarfed by other telescopes that are in even better locations.
		Oh, this is Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a big telescope.
unidentified		But it's a substantial telescope, and the fact that they have it to themselves means that they can use it every single night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And look in exactly the direction and what they, they can look and try and find what it is they're looking at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is, what are they looking for, sir?
unidentified		Oh, the whole works.
unidentified		That is, you know, everything from every specialty beginning at galaxy studies, elementary studies of stellar evolution, that is, you know, the lifetime, the life cycle of normal stars, supernovae, even planetary work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do you think they want to know?
unidentified		Oh, you know, I mean, I think it's one of the Psalms says that the heavens declare the glory of God.
unidentified		And so they're taking that seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I bet they are.
		And, you know, I bet they're looking for something that certainly has to do with God or has to do with the whole concept of a maker, the whole concept, or perhaps even the search for those that might have made us.
		I mean, no telling what the Catholics might see from Mount Grant.
unidentified		It's fundamental research, fundamental research, basic research in science.
		And of course, that gives insight, insight into the world and insight into all of creation.
		That's really what they're up to.
		There's nothing hidden, I believe, and there's nothing that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious then, you know, have you ever heard of the catacombs?
unidentified		See, I've worked side by side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard of the catacombs?
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have.
		You know, there are these great secret chambers that that man that you talked about, Malachi Martin, mentioned, that are beneath.
		Secrets are held and kept for generation after generation after generation.
		Now, that doesn't sound too open to me.
		Well, casually looking at it, I mean, they're cats.
		Secrets, sir.
unidentified		Maybe it amounts to something like skeletons in the closet, because I understand there are bones in those catacombs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe there's bones in the air, too, you know, or in space.
		What I'm getting at is I don't necessarily accept that what you are suggesting, that the Catholics are looking for what everybody else is looking for on Mount Graham.
		I think they're looking for something very special.
		Something perhaps secretive.
		Are they known to keep secrets?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're in the catacombs.
		We know about that.
		So they're looking for something they haven't told us about, and it's pretty intriguing to imagine what that might be.
		Do I think it's as casual as any astronomer's observation of the heavens?
		No.
		I think that the Vatican is driven by something specific.
		Now, I don't claim to know what that is or even have a hint, but I think there's more to it than meets the eyepiece.
		First time caller line?
		Actually, time travel line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		My name is Steve.
		I'm from New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Beg your pardon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very important thing to do when you call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a time delay here.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Steve, are you a time traveler?
unidentified		Yes, I am, indeed.
unidentified		I've been traveling in time and in space as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		I had first experience when I was, I think, about 19 years old.
		I was playing in a band, and I loved auto racing.
		And suddenly I saw the auto race before it happened.
		Really?
		Yeah, and I saw a crash.
		And it was a mortal wound to the driver.
		And I called my mom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this would be more commonly referred to as precognition.
		You saw something that was about to happen.
		I suppose, in a sense, that's time travel, isn't it?
		Precognition.
		I had one experience like that only.
		And so you made a call.
unidentified		Yes, I told mom, and so I said, let me know what happens, because I saw something very frightening.
		And indeed, everything I saw was what happened about two hours later.
		And as far as spatial is concerned, I'm one of those people that every time you have a guest on, I've had almost every experience that most of your guests have.
		It's just been like that my whole life since I was a small kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been on the air a long time, had a lot of guests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would mean that you are a very experienced person indeed.
unidentified		Well, I'm not bragging about it neither.
		I'm not saying that it's done me any good either.
		But I have been inside spacecraft.
		I have traveled through time.
		I'd be on your show if I wrote a book.
		I just never wrote a book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of spacecraft have you been in?
unidentified		Well, this went back to the mid-80s.
unidentified		And I don't know if you have time for the story, but I'll make it as quick as I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, you hold on, all right?
unidentified		Okay, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll make time for your story.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if that has to do with time travel.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		Yes.
		Just coast to coast,
unidentified		A.M. Don't you
		love her, baby?
		Don't you need her, baby?
		Don't you love her way?
		Don't you know what you say?
		Don't you love her baby?
		Don't you love her face?
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		Like she did one thousand times before.
		Don't you love her ways?
		Tell me what you say.
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		Premier Radio Networks presents Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		And now, filling in for George, here's special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, I appear to be here.
		Hello, everybody.
		How are you doing?
		Good morning.
		We're in the middle of open lines.
		Anything you want to talk about, it's fair gain.
		Time travel line is off by itself, though.
		Only time travelers at 775-727-1222.
		Otherwise, it's open country.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back, Creatures of the Night.
		First time call, actually, time traveler line, but we were talking about a ship here, weren't we?
		You're back on the air again.
		We were talking about a ship.
		You were saying something about being on a ship, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where and when and how, what?
unidentified		Well, okay.
		It started in the mid-80s when I started meeting a bunch of people who told me that I glow.
		For whatever reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You glow?
unidentified		They tell me I glow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Have you observed this glow yourself?
		I mean, can you?
unidentified		No, I did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But the first person told me was a very religious person, and they told me that it meant that I was surrounded by God.
		This was in Princeton, New Jersey.
		Second person said it to me was in a place called Oates, South Carolina, when I went to Darlington to see an auto race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were telling me you were on a ship.
unidentified		You want to get right to that part?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty much.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, I met some people who told me that they were people that receive writings.
		And they received the writing from space people for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Automatic writings?
		That kind of thing?
		Yes.
unidentified		And they read it to me, and it sounded more like me than me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've always been terribly suspicious of this kind of thing.
		It's like when people go into trances.
		I mean, automatic writing for you.
		Well, you know, I could go into a trance and write stuff down for you, too.
		I don't know.
		I'm suspicious of it.
unidentified		Well, you're no more suspicious than I was, believe me.
		I thought I was getting hooked into some kind of weirdo group.
		Well, yes.
		I'm not a far-out character, you know.
		At any rate, they told me that these people have been in communication with me since I was five years old.
		And they asked me if I had any recollection of anything like that.
		And I told them that I used to go out at night in the middle of the night and just stare at the stars when I was a little boy.
		And I would see myself traveling amongst the stars.
		And the girl looked at me and said, your dream is going to come true.
		And when she looked at me and said that her eyes got five times as big as they were before, and there was this green color like a cat's eye.
		And at the moment I saw those eyes, she said to me, if you could only see your eyes right now, you would understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Betty gave us eyes.
unidentified		I knew about that.
		But anyway, they took me out and asked me if I was interested, and of course I was.
		And they took me out in the middle of the night into the fields with the cameras.
		And they put a camera on my chest and they said, We don't care what you see, but if you feel like you feel anything, snap some pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generous offer.
unidentified		They developed those pictures the next day, and there were streaks across the stars that were not stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to these photographs?
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The photographs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to them?
unidentified		They still had them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
unidentified		As far as I don't know, I never did get them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that doesn't seem fair.
		They've got you taking the pictures, and then they keep pictures.
		That's not fair.
unidentified		Well, maybe so, but at the time it didn't seem to matter.
		And finally, I was going down.
		I'm going to zip through some time here.
		They told me to go to a park, and I went to this involved, and this was a girl that was this girl with the green eyes.
		And I told her that she had to stay away from me because I couldn't focus on anything when she was around because she gave me the willies, frankly.
		So I went out one night by myself without these people to see what would happen if I went by myself.
		And I took another friend with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And very quickly.
unidentified		And right in the middle of the field, I was standing there and I saw a little green ball about the size of a baseball.
		And it started to enlarge until it got about three feet wide.
		And then as it settled down to the ground, there was this woman in her living flesh, the girl with the green eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Betty Davis, yeah.
unidentified		Betty Davis, yeah.
		So I went home and I called this person on the phone and I said, where were you just now?
		And she says, you know darn well where I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was your trip on the ship?
unidentified		No, no, I didn't get that far yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't have any more time.
		So, I mean, you've taken us there as far as you can get us in this call, I'm afraid.
		I guess the ship trip will have to wait.
		Betty Davis eyes.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is John in Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, John.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I wonder if you could shed a little light on a, I don't know what you'd call it, an anomaly or a phenomena.
		But my wife and I were flipping through the channels a couple of years ago, and we caught the tail end of a story of a man who was begrieved or whatever you call it.
		He had lost his daughter, and I believe he was in Belgium or the Netherlands.
		Anyway, the story went that he was able to, he was a filmographer or something like that.
		And he went through a bunch of footage frame by frame and found some anomalies.
		Okay, that's all that I remember hearing from that show.
		But anyway, we got a new video camera about six months later, and we decided to do this experiment.
		Hey, let's try this, what this man was talking about, see if there's any validity to it.
		So what we did, we took a regular video camera and filmed directly into a blue screen or the blank screen.
		Well, it was the blue screen, blue blank screen on the television.
		And when we directed the video camera, the closer you got to the center, you just started to center the camera and look through the viewfinder, your recording, into the blank screen.
		And as you focus to the center of the screen, once you get to that point, it creates an incredible vortex effect.
		And so it just starts to swirl and swirl into, it's almost like you get the effect of it's some kind of infinite loop because if you put your hand in front of it, it's not some kind of infinite loop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is an infinite loop.
		You're looking down the hallways of infinity.
		If you had the resolution to display it, you would in fact see probably what you would see is a very good question.
unidentified		Well, Mr. Bell, I'm almost finished here.
		What I did was I happened to have a Macintosh, well, a computer with some software, and I was able to put the film.
		Now, it was very tedious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some people claim Macintosh is a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, that's what you were focusing into.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Well, anyway, you know, it was very tedious to go frame by frame.
		I filmed about two hours of this into this blank screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Yeah, and we went frame by frame, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is just ghastly boring.
		This is ridiculous.
		Well, I just so happened to come across some strange imagery.
		And I collected these pictures or what looked like forms and figures, and I put them in the computer and brought up the resolution.
		And the one that I kept was a very distinct outline of a 40s, it looks like a 40s portrait kind of looking up like a Greta Garbo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, that is fascinating.
		I have the pictures.
		That was going to be my next question.
unidentified		Yes, and I've held it.
		Now, I've had that for about for several, well, it's been about a couple years now.
		Time's flying.
		I still have that on my hard drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're standing the hair on the back of my neck up just fine right now because that's exactly what I think.
		I really, honest to God, I think that we're living in this oscillation, and when you did what you did, I think there's every possibility that you tapped in at some point along these swirling hallways that we both know are there.
		You tapped into something.
		And if you grab something from it, then I'd really like to see it.
		If you've really got a photograph.
unidentified		Oh, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's rock.
		Artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's how to get to me.
		That's my email address, artbell at mindspring.com.
		And you need to put something in the header so I'll know what it is.
		What are you going to write in the header?
unidentified		Let's, oh, what would I call it?
unidentified		Something to do with a recording woman from another time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just put recording past in the header.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to look for that, and I will find a way, I can assure you, to get it to the website.
		This is really intriguing to me.
		As I described earlier in the show, all of these deep questions that we ponder how it all began, whether there was a Big Bang, whether it's a steady, state, or expanding, or contracting universe, who knows?
		But I think there's every possibility it may be, in essence, never-ending.
		And that process can definitely proven.
		You can prove it to yourself.
		You've just got to imagine you have endless definition by putting a camera connected to a computer or connected to a monitor or at, you know, just point the camera at the monitor and look at the swirling, changing.
		Of course, as you move, it will change and swirl.
		But in essence, it's looking into infinity.
		It's a feedback loop.
		Now, if he really toyed with that for an extended number of hours and really grabbed a picture from, I don't know, the 1930s or 40s or something like that, then he might really have done it.
		He might really have done it.
		He might have grabbed a little bit of the past.
		And maybe that's a way to do it.
		And that's a pretty exciting thought.
		When you roll it over a little bit, pretty exciting.
		That in those swirls, if you're able to stop and pluck a little bit of something from it, you might come up with essentially a portrait of the past right there.
		Wouldn't that be something for our ghost GIS type people to investigate?
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		How you doing there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Dan, and I'm calling from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dan.
unidentified		Yeah, and it's a pleasure to talk to you, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		What's up?
		I am currently possessed by a demonic entity.
		It's plaguing my life.
		And have you ever heard, excuse me, have you ever heard of Adolfo de Jesus Costanzo?
		He was a cult leader during the 1980s.
		No, I honestly cannot say I. Okay, well, this doesn't really have to do with him.
		It more has to do with his religion and things of that nature.
		It was a Caribbean, African-type spiritual, you know, thing like that.
		And about two years ago, I worked in a Spanish-speaking bodega, like a corner store here in Philadelphia, real urban setting type.
		And, well, it's a cult, and there's two sides to this cult, one good and one evil.
		And he worked for the good side of the cult.
		And, well, one time he paid me some money.
		I worked for him and never doing anything of that nature.
		Normal things around the store.
		Excuse me.
		And he paid me some money to help reverse a spell on a person who had been in some bad luck situations, a lot of misfortune, and to help get them out.
		And I had to basically pour this powder on a step of a rival Padrino, which means Godfather in Spanish.
		And what they do is they cast spells and they do things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not like putting down a banana peel for your rival to slip on and break his neck.
unidentified		Well, no, this was a powder that was purchased for like a very high price.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The United States government is very suspicious of white powder these days.
unidentified		well, you know, this is anthrax or anything like that.
		I don't know, actually, but...
		Yeah.
		So I put the powder on the steps or whatever.
		You know, I did my part for my share of the money that he gave me.
		And after this, you know, everything was okay.
		You know, we went back to the store we were currently working at.
		Like I said, this was his rival that owned another store of a bodega.
		And we come back to his store and we have to sacrifice a chicken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, right there.
unidentified		Well, exactly.
		And I'm a Christian.
		So, you know, to me, this was bad.
		You know, I should not have been doing things of this nature.
		So, you know, and I didn't really, you know, sacrifice.
		I held the chicken for him.
		This is a little off-brand to sacrifice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were part of it then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You held the chicken.
unidentified		Well, you know, a little bit later, you know, a couple of days, maybe a week, I was walking to the store to open that morning.
		I was ready to open the store.
		You know, I had keys and everything like that.
		And before me, I saw a very dark, demonic dark, draped in a dark robe, very, very penetrating eyes.
		Something you don't want to look at.
		And it led me to the store.
		I knew my way to the store.
		I worked there every day.
		It led me to the store, kind of telling me to go there.
		And it pointed to this heavy, heavy rock on the ground.
		And I blanked out.
		And when I woke up, the Padrino, the guy I worked for, was waking me up off of the ground and pointing to the store.
		And the window was broke.
		And everything inside the store, glass, was broke.
		Everything.
		It was the model.
		It was the places where the sodas were kept, things like that were all broke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something really big had to happen.
unidentified		Something, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he knew what had happened.
		He wouldn't explain to me what it was or anything like that, but he knew that I had done this.
		It's just it wasn't me.
		Something had possessed me to do this.
		And from that day on, he actually tried to take it away from me, showering me in blood of associated animals with the religion.
		And it didn't work.
		He's tried many other things since then, and it hasn't worked.
		So the main reason I called was that.
		I know that it's me, but it's not me.
		That there's things, there's been robberies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that sounds like the beginning of a legal defense to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's me, but it's not me.
unidentified		Exactly, exactly.
unidentified		But, Art, when I tell you this, I mean this wholeheartedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can tell Art Bell this, but you can.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you tell the detectives this, you're going to have a problem.
unidentified		I haven't been arrested.
		Well, I understand.
		And...
		I mean, there's many, many, many listeners to your show, and I'm asking if there's anybody out there who could help me shed light on this situation at all to please come forth with something because he has no answer for me.
		He has done what he has done, and it has not gone away.
		I've been plagued by this thing.
		It will not go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you held the damn chicken.
unidentified		I held the chicken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's like opening the door, brother.
unidentified		And I poured the powder on the steps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I got myself into it.
		Art, it has been a pleasure talking to you.
		I don't want to take up too much time, and I just think you have a great show, and I'm sorry you're not on every night.
		And George is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck to you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		If there's anybody who can lift this horrid curse from this man who's doing things that he's going to have a very hard time explaining and come forth.
		But it sounds to me like you invited in your own fate, sir.
		Blessed of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		The Vatican is looking for wormwood.
		It's defined as a star in the book of Revelation.
		It is one of the seven trumpets.
		It's the third one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very well aware of wormwood and what it will do and the poisoning of our waters and our lands.
		Yes.
		Well, you see now you're probably on to it.
		But the other fellow was kind of trying to sell us a story that, ah, you know, the Vatican's no different than any other astronomer.
		They're just sort of loving to see what's out there.
		Hogwash.
unidentified		No.
		And not only that, but they have nothing against aliens from other planets.
		They have no position on that one way or the other.
		They wouldn't have any reason to be afraid of that.
		If God didn't create this, he could create somebody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unless there became evidence that the others, that not only are we not alone, but that the others, rather than the traditional God of the Bible, are our creators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that would be a significant problem for them.
unidentified		Well, they wouldn't find that with a telescope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe not.
		Maybe not.
		But a race that's sufficiently advanced to be able to travel in that manner or communicate in that manner probably would be capable of creation because, dear, we're not that far from that ability ourselves right now.
		So that would be a pretty big shock to the religious world, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Well, I'm sure it would, but I don't...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But so would one.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think you're dead on, Wormwood, dead on in more ways than one, that which will poison so much of the world.
		Yeah, that's probably what they're looking for.
		Well, it's open lines, folks.
		Anything goes from the high desert in the middle of the night.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.
		So
		Some velvet morning when I'm straight I'm gonna open up your gate And maybe tell you about Phaedra And how she gave me life And how she made
		it in Some velvet morning when I'm straight Flowers growing on a hill Dragonflies and daffodils Learn from us very much Look
		at us but do not touch Phaedra is my name From Phaedra coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Filling in for George, tonight's special guest host is Art Bell.
		To talk with Art, call the wildcard line at area code 775-727-1295.
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		And west of the Rockies, call 800-618-8255.
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		Now for George Norrie, special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning.
		George is probably enjoying the tender care of a Swedish lasse's loving hands or something at the moment.
		I don't know, taking a couple of deserved days off, that's for sure, anyway.
		He's having a great time.
		He certainly deserves them.
		This is quite an operation to do on a nightly basis.
		Anyway, great to be here.
		And in a moment, we'll plunge right back into the night.
unidentified		right there I'm going to go to the next video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back into the night.
		Hi there on the time traveler line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'd rather not say if that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		No, that's perfectly fine.
		We allow anonymity here.
		You're calling this line for obvious reasons.
		You believe you've traveled in time.
unidentified		Oh, I know I've traveled in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the attitude.
unidentified		And I've traveled back in time exactly.
unidentified		I'll try to keep it short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you've traveled back in time to this time, or you've traveled from this time back?
unidentified		From this time to some type of start of creation.
		I'm not sure.
		But what had happened is a doctor had bought a home.
		His name is Dr. I don't know if I should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, don't.
		We don't have the name.
		It's not important.
unidentified		All right.
		And he invited us to a barbecue.
		It was a housewarming.
		And he had dozens of birds and whatnot in his garage.
		And I thought nothing wrong with this.
		And my wife and I, we had a great time.
		We were joking and laughing.
		And there were several other neighbors.
		And he came up with a, for instance, of, have you ever gone back in time?
		And, you know, after the dinner and everything, you know, I thought it was a joke.
		And he pulled out a contraption and put it in the backyard.
		And it was about the size of a small triangular phone booth.
		And I laughed.
		I thought it was ridiculous.
		And I said, how can you travel in time back on that?
		And he said, well, let me show you.
		And he put two or three birds, I think it was three birds actually, in the contraption.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you the only other one there?
unidentified		No, my wife was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My wife was there.
unidentified		And actually another couple was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He put birds in.
unidentified		And he started up a generator, and it made a horrific noise.
		And it was like a lightning bolt.
		It was something that I can't even describe.
		I couldn't even see for about 10 seconds after it illuminated in the corner of the backyard.
		And I thought it was a trick.
		I thought it was a magic trick.
		And I laughed.
		I thought this is fantastic.
		He's a magician.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably what I think, too.
unidentified		Well, about ten minutes later, he said, no, watch it.
		It'll return.
		And with almost the same energy, not quite as much, it did return.
		There was a flash.
		And the birds were back.
		And I thought it was absolutely ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		was this a regular position kind of doctor i mean a internist or israel something or another normal or was he Some kind of doctorate.
		That kind of doctorate.
		Okay.
unidentified		Now he takes the dog, his own personal dog, and he does this.
unidentified		Now, to try to speed up the story, I know you're on a time frame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's take this as an objective.
unidentified		I'm just nervous.
unidentified		I never really spoke about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go for it.
unidentified		And actually, it's quite scary because I'll get to the point in a minute.
unidentified		He put the dog into this booth type thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he energized it, and he did it again for a second time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dog goeth and cometh.
unidentified		Now the dog has gone.
		Approximately ten minutes later, he makes the dog return.
		Now he asks, do I have any volunteers?
		Now again, I think this is a magic trick.
		And so I volunteer.
		Having probably a few too many Budweisers at that particular time.
		And I sit in this contraption.
		Well, I've never been so scared in my life.
		It's like somebody put a flash bulb on a camera in my face.
		That's all I can remember.
		I don't remember anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't remember going somewhere.
unidentified		I don't remember anything else but like a flash bulb in my face.
unidentified		That's all I can describe it as.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the next thing you remember?
unidentified		Well, a thump.
		Like I fell out of bed.
		A type of, or like I boom, I've landed somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Now, I look and I'm in the middle of some forest.
		I don't know where I am.
		I have no idea.
		I can't tell you where I am.
		I have no idea.
		And I get out and I'm like, oh my God, where am I?
		You know, I don't know where I am.
		And now I'm in fear because I don't know what to think.
		I don't have any inclination.
		The only thing I can tell you is that it might be at dusk or dawn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could have been in the jungles of Brazil or something, for all you know.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I can't even tell you.
		I don't know where I was.
		All I know is I was in some kind of forest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you remember what you did?
unidentified		Did you walk?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you able to function in this world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or were you just there and gone or what?
unidentified		No, I was able to get out of the vehicle or whatever you want to call it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was there physically with you.
unidentified		It was with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It was with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So out you go.
unidentified		So I just stepped around and I didn't want to go away too far away from the vehicle figuring that I'd be stuck there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good figuring.
unidentified		So, again, I don't know what time it is.
		It was either dusk or dawn.
		I don't know.
		And I got back in the vehicle.
		Maybe three minutes had taken place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And there was like a little small, it's like a door.
		I don't want to call it a door, but it's an open, it really, But it's like a door that you could open and you could walk out.
		I thought it was a joke.
		And then, again, a flashbulb, bam.
		I don't remember anything.
		And I remember people laughing.
		And that's all I can remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like, hey, look, it's back.
unidentified		Ha ha.
		Yeah.
		And that was it.
		Now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		then we get to the creepy part, and this is the scary part.
		Supposedly, this doctor that had invited us over, he just bought the house, he'd only been living there for a month, commits suicide in his garage.
		For some obscure reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is some time later?
unidentified		This is approximately three weeks later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three weeks later, you find the doctor is now, the PhD has committed suicide.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And there's nothing on the premises to his car is gone.
		And we're all, you know, again, you know, we're wondering what happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And there is no basis for why this man has done this.
		He was a jubilant single man and is 59, 60 years old, I would say.
		I think he was 59, if my memory is right.
		But anyway, and that was it.
		I mean, that was, you know, all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the story.
		That's plenty of story.
		That's plenty of story, Sarah.
		Now, you think that you were either shifted geographically or shifted in time by whatever this was that he had.
		There was no trace of any of this machinery, I assume, after his death that you were aware of?
unidentified		No, not that I know of.
		And matter of fact, I inquired about it, and I said that I made up a story, and I just happened to say, you know, he was like electronics tech, and he had stuff in the garage.
		Does anybody know about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he's really dead?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I just don't know.
		They had a Hearst drive up, and I did see them putting what appeared was a corpse into the car.
		But again, without revealing any names or anything.
		Please don't.
		No, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if you were Dr. Mengele's first experiment there or first human guinea pig.
		Have you ever wondered about that?
		In other words, he did it with the animals, but maybe, you know, in sort of a jocular, ha, ha, ha, we're at a party, you've had a few beers, step in here and let me show you something really cool type thing.
		Might have been his first.
unidentified		It's a possibility, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And maybe he's now elsewhere, and what they think, the body they think they loaded in is just the one they happened to load in in this dimension.
unidentified		It's a possibility, but after the fact that when I came back and, you know, we were talking later, and as the party, you know, broke up or whatnot, I said, exactly what happened.
		And he said, well, I've discovered a generating system that, to put it in layman's terms, will transport you back and forth into time.
		And I said, that's absolutely ludicrous.
		I've never heard of such a thing.
		And he said, well, that's why I had you do it first to experience it, because otherwise you would never believe me.
		And I looked at him and I said, you know, I started thinking maybe he was crazy, but then I'm thinking, well, where was I?
		Where did I go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So, I mean, what better way to prove it to you than to do it first and then talk about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, you're absolutely right.
		That's a whale of a story.
		That's a beaut.
		That's a real beaut.
		Maybe that man encountered somebody who had deciphered the nature of time travel or the way to achieve time travel.
		I really do believe that there is a way to do it.
		There are ways to travel in time.
		And again, you've got to think about this a little bit.
		Even assuming that it's not until we get to Pentium 9000 that we discover time travel, if there is such an eventuality, which I believe there will be, then they could easily be here now.
		And there could be people along the way discover it, and then it sort of blinks out in terms of a retained technology.
		It just doesn't get out there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have kind of a hum on your phone there.
unidentified		Oh, I'm so sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right.
		It's not your fault.
		What's up?
unidentified		This is Vicki in Denver.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on K-H-O-W.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And I thank you so much for meeting you when you're here book signing.
unidentified		That was a treat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, excellent.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Anyway, I was wondering about the proposed movie.
		I guess originally it was going to be a TBS movie, coming Global Superstorm.
		Oh, okay.
		And then it got, I heard on your show it was going to be a bigger picture and then I guess production problems or something was the last I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the man who did Independence Day is the man doing that movie.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the latest that I've heard, and I watch very carefully and listen very carefully to any news of it, and the latest news I've got is that the special effects are going to be so spectacular that it's going to be an additional year before release.
		They're working on that movie right now.
		So it's apparently really going to be something.
unidentified		Yeah, it sounds fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the working title, I believe, is The Day After Tomorrow, or perhaps even shortened to Tomorrow.
		That's the rumor mill.
		That's all I know right now.
unidentified		Oh, that's fantastic.
		Oh, one other thing.
		The woman that called Who Was a Witch into Wicca.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		She was talking about objects like not working and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've been into Wicca for about 30 years.
		And there are, just for anyone's knowledge, there are practices you can do to ground that energy so that it won't affect objects.
		Some people, it happens anyway, but if it is a result of ritual, there are things you can do in a meditative state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if anybody like that ever gets around me, I'm wrapping her up in groundwire.
		All right, thank you very, very much.
		Take care.
		Yeah, I'm going to just wrap her like a mummy with ground wire.
		Then she couldn't be near my equipment.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		I was listening, and you had a caller talking about the Catholics and their telescope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes, Mark Graham.
unidentified		Well, I've been studying Genesis 6 for about three months now.
		It just really fascinated me.
		And it claims that women were having sexual relationships with renegade angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And they were having these offspring, Nesleum or Nephelium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're talking the flood here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, God got angry and then the flood and then took them all out, right?
unidentified		Right, right.
		But what catches my eye is it says they were also around thereafter.
		Meaning, where are they now, you know?
		And a lot of people actually believe that, you know, these offspring or maybe angels and demons are what we know as aliens.
		And I think that would explain a lot.
		You know, people who are abducted and have these horrid experiences where these aliens do terrible things to them.
		Maybe those are demons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think these women are still around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Well, you know, it might happen.
		And then it would also explain, you know, people who get abducted and have these great experiences and go to beautiful places.
		They might just be going to like a heaven and entertaining angels themselves.
		And what you were saying about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, the whole process of angels falling and chasing after earth women and producing these, you know, I just it just seems unheaven and godlike for all that to be going on.
unidentified		Well, yeah, it would be.
		I'd say that too.
		But I mean, as you said yourself, the Catholics, religion itself, it's hard to say what they're letting us know, and they have all these secrets, but they're watching something out there, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the one caller I had was like an apologist for this.
		I mean, there's more to it than just a casual interest in hunting for what might be out there on the part of the Catholics.
		I've got nothing against Catholics.
		My wife is one.
		But they are, obviously, somewhat secretive, or even really secretive.
		And they're looking for something more than just general astronomy fun from the Vatican on Mount Graham.
		They're there for a reason.
		They're looking for something.
unidentified		I agree.
		I don't know what they're looking for, and I don't think that they're going to make it known anytime soon either, though.
		I think Martin Luther helped prove that the Catholic Church, or any church for that matter, they like to be in control of what they know and what they do.
		I was just going to call him.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Well, it was the government for a while, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at least you could take that point of view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly seems that way, that it's a controlling, it's a very large controlling force when you control behavior.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, that's all I had, Art, but I'm just going to keep tuning in.
		I just wanted to throw out the whole theory of that idea.
		And I thank you for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think the Nephilim...
unidentified		Well, the way the Bible describes them is they're kind of like giants, like Goliath was.
		I mean, I couldn't say.
		Maybe the NBA is a bunch of...
		but it off You know, if they are that nowaday alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The NBA, a bunch of Nephilim, huh?
unidentified		Well, it could, you know, never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's a good idea.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got God to scoop.
		Thank you.
		And then those women, you know, tempting.
		These tempting women.
		Could it be?
		Yeah, sure it could be.
		Middle of the night, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I've had nothing but bad love since the day I saw the cat at my door.
		So I came into you, sweet lady, answering your mystical call.
		Crystal ball on the table, showing the future the past.
		Same cat with them evil eyes, and I knew it was a spell she cast.
		She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind.
		Beware the devil woman, she's gonna catch you.
		She's just a devil woman with evil on her mind.
		Beware the devil woman.
		Cross the long black road to the dark.
		the dark in its rage, she will die.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh Premier Radio Networks presents Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		And now, filling in for George, your special guest host, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One morning, listen very carefully to the words of this song.
		It's kind of eerie stuff.
		Really eerie.
		very eerie answer It hits some kind of center.
		You've got to listen carefully to the words.
unidentified		The white bird drinks of the asperry With his dying name turning gold But the white bird just sits in the cage Growing old
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like a musical Roshan test.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		We'll plunge back into the night in a moment.
unidentified		We'll plunge back into the night in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, into the unexpected on my time travel line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Kansas City, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City, KCMO country, where they write the call letters right there on the police cars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, about 44 years ago, I took a short time trip as a result of an accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of accident?
unidentified		I was talking on the phone with my girlfriend, and I was struck by lightning.
unidentified		And some very strange things happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would rather imagine so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe exactly what happened, what you can recall?
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		I was sitting on a couch that my mom and dad had had covered with plastic, the 1960s stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course, yes.
unidentified		And when the lightning came through the phone, a ball of lightning came through the mouthpiece and knocked me about 20 feet.
unidentified		And it was very strange because all of a sudden I was outside my body and I was looking back at the area where the phone was and I was still sitting there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds an awful lot like an NDE at this point.
unidentified		But at this point, I was looking at myself before the lightning struck.
		And I was kind of hovering there.
		My existence was kind of hovering in the air, looking at myself.
		And I actually saw the electric pulse come in through the phone line.
		And I watched very slowly, in very slow motion, as the phone line began to melt.
		And the lightning came out of the phone and struck me.
		And everything was moving very, very slowly like a slow motion picture.
		But as things were progressing, it started moving a little quicker and a little quicker.
		And at the point where the ball of lightning came through the mouthpiece of the phone and struck me in the head, and my body came off the couch, my body started moving towards my essence.
		And at that time, things started moving a little quicker.
		Like the best way to describe it is when you're watching a film and the reel starts to slip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And it kind of flickers a little bit and then it starts to catch up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like it just blew you right out of your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then sort of out of the present time stream and then back again.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, such a large electromagnetic occurrence just might do exactly something like that.
unidentified		And as my body got closer to my essence, things were speeding up and becoming almost more into normal time.
		And as my body merged with my essence, there was a tremendous flash.
		And up to that time, I hadn't had any pain or any sensation.
		And when my body merged with my essence, it hurt.
		That's the best way I can describe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's absolutely incredible.
		Thank you very much.
		That is an amazing story.
		And it's kind of in the right context, frankly.
		A lightning hit is an unimaginable amount of voltage and electromagnetic energy just coursing through your body.
		So the effects that it could produce probably would include one in that category.
		Very, very, very interesting.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Kathleen.
		I'm in Middle Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kathleen.
unidentified		I'm actually listening to you on WLAC out of Nashville on my Beige and Free Play radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go.
unidentified		Real quick question first before I get to my point.
		I have a book on non-surgical back care that I'd like to send you.
		And how do I go about getting that to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose if you send it to the network and don't ask me for an address because I don't have one right here.
		I don't know.
		Send it to the network.
		You know, they're very well known.
		Premier Radio in Los Angeles.
		You'll find a way.
		It'll get to me.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		That'd be fine.
		Yeah, I fell off a telephone pole myself, so I understand about trauma injury.
		Wanted to ask about mass deja vu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mass deja vu.
unidentified		Mass deja vu.
		Back in the early 70s, I was in Tallahassee at a horseback riding clinic.
		My sister and I were both there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And after the clinic, a bunch of us decided to go to a restaurant.
		If I remember correctly, it was about 10 or 12 of us at the time.
		And the restaurant that we got to, they didn't have a table big enough, you know, to accommodate that many people.
		So we sat, you know, some in one booth and some at the booth behind, and then the rest of them were at a round table nearby.
		And I don't even remember the point that was being discussed, but I remember I leaned over the back of the booth to say something to somebody behind me, and I had this really strong feeling of deja vu.
		And you know how you have kind of like that little otherworldly experience when you get the deja vu.
		But I thought it was just me, and I just kind of turned and looked back at the people in the booth where I was sitting, which included my sister, and several of the people had an odd look on their face, and I turned and looked at the people behind me, and several of them had an odd look, and we were all like, did you just have a sense of deja vu?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
unidentified		And it also included two other people at the table that were sitting nearby.
unidentified		But it got at least eight out of the ten people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deja vu, as in, we've all been here just like this person.
unidentified		We all experienced it right at that moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the deja vu itself, reflecting the feeling that you were all there in that exact situation at a previous time, is that what the deja vu was?
unidentified		Yes, it was.
		And it wasn't like there was a significant thing happening.
		There wasn't.
		We were just having a conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's an extremely interesting observation.
unidentified		But it was almost like it didn't get, there was two people in the booth behind me that didn't get it at all.
		One person in the booth where I was sitting that didn't get it at all.
		And then there was a couple people at the other table that didn't get it.
		I think there was 12 of us all together.
		But the people who didn't get it did observe that we all had a funny look on our face, and they were like, What's going on?
		But those of us who did get it, and it wasn't just a little light sense of deja vu, you know, where you kind of like look at something, shake your head, and go on.
		It was a strong feeling of deja vu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A seven-point Richter deja vu.
		Yeah, no, I'm with you.
		And that would occur to many people at one time, isn't that intriguing?
unidentified		Well, and like I said, my sister was there, and she got it, too.
unidentified		But I had not heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any theories?
		Do you have any theories about it at all?
		Anything?
		Any thoughts about what forced might have produced that or why?
unidentified		I think somehow it is a time shift in some way.
		And of course, since the movies Matrix have come out, it kind of makes you wonder.
		But I just have to wonder if it's not a time shift of some sort.
		And every now and then, I will also dream about something occurring a day or two before it actually occurs.
		So I think that somehow, you know, maybe we have perception of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, I had one of these things happen to me, and once in my life, I really appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		Mass dej vu, that is really intriguing.
unidentified		Isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, too, have had one extremely serious encounter with the dej vu, and then one with precognition.
		So I've been down that lane.
		And so, you know, hearing about a mass occurrence, a mass dej vu suggests that the phenomenon would not be attached to an individual or only an individual.
		It's so easy to dismiss when it's that because you think, well, you know, a little misfire and a neuron, right?
		But if it happens to 10 or 12 people out of a group, then it's got to be something else entirely, doesn't it?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hi.
		Yeah.
		I'm going to go ahead and try and make this quick for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Wichita, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Mark.
unidentified		My father presented this UFO time travel theory to me, and I thought it was perfect for tonight's topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		You know how when you travel through space, you're traveling, like if you take a piece of paper, you're traveling the distance of the piece of paper.
		Right.
		And if you fold that piece of paper end to end, then you could travel from one point to the, you know, one end to the other end without traveling the distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Physicists use this example all the time to explain the folding of space-time, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, my father believes that the UFOs that we see are actually ourselves from the future coming back, checking up on us, or whatever you however you want to put that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's as good a way to put it as any.
		I can imagine that there might be reasons why a future us would be back here, perhaps observing, if not attempting to affect things.
		But, you know, that has to make you wonder.
		I had the experience during the time I was doing talk radio.
		The best example I can give you is that Nelson Mandela, instead of being freed in South Africa, many people wrote to me and said, you know, I have, in my memory, my memory is that Nelson Mandela was killed.
		That Nelson Mandela is dead.
		And that's what I remember.
		But of course, that's not what occurred.
		Nelson Mandela, as we all know, was freed and went on to lead South Africa.
		But, you know, people had a different memory of it.
		And I got an awful lot of emails like that.
		After one person said it, I just had a flood of emails.
		I had the same memory.
		So, you know, maybe occasionally something gets changed in the time stream, and we all have vague recollections of the way it would have been had there not been that change, if you follow me.
unidentified		That could also explain deja vu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure could, couldn't it?
unidentified		And how come the UFOs just seem to disappear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Appear across the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and they do that as in really disappearing, to our point of view, anyway.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good thoughts, sir.
unidentified		And just on a side note, there's a movie called Happy Accidents.
		It's about time traveling with Marissa Tomei.
		You might want to check that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any movie connected to time travel, I guarantee I will check out.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Welcome to the Rockies, Your Annie.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Jay in Megalia, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jay.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		It's good to hear your friendly voice again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, you asked your guest a question last night about what is consciousness?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		He stumbled around and didn't give you an answer, and you said, is it conscious awareness?
unidentified		And he said, self-awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Self-awareness.
unidentified		Self-awareness, yeah.
unidentified		And I can give you the answer, I think, tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
unidentified		You discussed also the infinity of the past and the infinity of the future, which relates to this.
		How do you measure the past?
		Well, we've got all kinds of measurements for the past and also for the future.
		But what about the present?
		We don't have any measurements for the present.
		You can say it's a year, you can say it's an hour, you can say it's a minute, or you can say it's a second, or you can say it's a nanosecond.
		But all of these can be split 50-50.
		Half of that and half in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
unidentified		So we all are a thin line, and that is consciousness, that thin line.
		And we are like a rock in a stream.
		The future is flowing towards us, and we make choices.
		And this is consciousness and conscious awareness, or self-awareness, whatever you want to call it.
		And it's that simple.
		That's the beginning of meditation.
		You can reach that point and really understand and be conscious of your position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that consciousness is collective?
unidentified		Is what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's collective?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we obviously have an individual consciousness that you sort of just described, but is it also collective?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		Not only on the subconscious level, but also on the superconscious level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And is that what Princeton is measuring, perchance?
unidentified		I think that's what they're trying to measure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're getting readings indicating they're measuring something, which seems to coincide with mass occurrences, you know, like 9-11 or other giant things that affect consciousness throughout the world.
unidentified		Yeah, but I think that they are trying to measure the non-physical physically, and that is difficult to do.
unidentified		You can't use a physical yardstick to measure something that's immortal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extremely difficult to do, but they may be on to it.
unidentified		Yeah, they may be making some breaks here.
unidentified		I wouldn't be surprised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate your call.
unidentified		I wrote a book on the subject of immortality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		On metaphysics.
		And just a couple of months ago, I finished it and got it printed.
		And I told George that I was going to send him a copy of it.
		I'll send an oligraph copy to you if you'd like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would dearly love that.
unidentified		Okay, I'll send him two copies, one for you and one for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And hear me down there at the network.
unidentified		I want my copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, sir, and take care.
		On my time traveler line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm David from Albany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Albany, New York.
unidentified		I have a couple of things I'd like to go over with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's rock.
unidentified		One of them is, do you know that the South American Indians look at going through life as though walking backwards because what you see is only memory?
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I never thought about it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		And the other thing is that what you are experiencing right this moment is brought about collectively your likes, dislikes, experiences of love and hate and so on.
		And they're cumulative to the point where you have a picture in which you establish feelings.
		And with your intentional focus, you then project it into what we call the curtain of reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The curtain of reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		If you drop this curtain, you'd see heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're erecting a barrier between ourselves and heaven, is what you're saying.
unidentified		Correct.
		The other item is that space and time, in fact, do have a similarity because time does not exist until you project it into 100% time and reality.
		Now, the other item about space, in Raja Yoga, we used to do mantras, and that creates space.
		Now, at times, when I'm driving a cab, and I notice that I'm putting in a lot of people and delivering them, and this time appears to be going very slow, because I look at the clock, and I see that I've done more in, say, two hours than I would normally do in 12.
		And then it seems about six and a half hours later, it begins to catch up with itself, and everything goes back to normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really intriguing.
		Again, that's very much like another caller was telling us.
		So, you know, Phil got zapped by the lightning with a telephone.
		He was pushed out, and then the reverse process seemed to ensue, and he very quickly, in an increasing way, increasing exponentially in speed, came back.
unidentified		Zap like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So pretty interesting.
		As you consider the nature of time and the possibility of time travel, all of this is absolutely riveting.
		And it's been something that I've been studying perhaps more than I've even mentioned to you or that you've imagined as you've listened to my program.
		I've spent a fair amount of time on it and have some devices that I'm ever so tempted to test myself.
		And that was plural, as in more than one device.
		Sort of a little tantalizing place to leave it, huh?
		It has been an absolute pleasure hosting for these last couple of days.
		George will be back with you, I trust, on Monday.
		Certainly, I believe that to be so.
		I think he is scheduled to be back in his chair again.
		And it's just been an awful lot of fun.
		You know, it's one of those things that somebody once told me is in your blood, radio that is.
		And as you know, it's securely in my blood.
		It runs like the SARS virus through my blood.
		So I'll be back again.
		You can depend on that.
		Thank you all.
		What a wonderful night.
		Friday night, Saturday mornings are great.
		I think we'll let Crystal take us out.
		As usual, you all take care now.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Filled with belonging, searching for the truth.

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