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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Mel Waters - Bottomless Hole - Replay Compilation (1-29-02, 12-20-02)
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♪ This is a special holiday rebroadcast of Coast to Coast AM
with Art Bell.
From January 29th and December 20th of this year, it's Art and his guest Mel Waters talking about Mel's voice.
And now, the best of Coast to Coast AM.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
Nell Waters has appeared on Coast to Coast AM several times over the years now, many May remember his accounts of the mysterious hole on his property in Central Washington, which appeared to have no bottom.
The hole was, by Mel's account, measured to a depth of 80,000 feet, utilizing fishing line and a weight.
Since Mel's first appearance on the show, many strange, fascinating, and rather unfortunate things have happened to Mel and the people somehow related to the hole.
In a moment, it's back to Mel's hole and more.
And Mel.
Here he is from, you know, I don't know where he is right now.
Mel Waters.
Mel, welcome to the program.
I'm here in the Pacific Northwest.
Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
That'll do.
First of all, it's great to hear from you, and I guess we heard from you, Mel, because what, were you out somewhere when we did a rebroadcast of the original Mel's Whole Thing?
Yeah, yeah.
I guess this was last week sometime, and I was coming back from Nevada, and I get a lot of rides from truckers.
I look a hell of a lot like Willie Nelson.
Do you?
I mean, people will come up to me, and particularly truckers, and say, do you know you look like Willie Nelson?
No kidding.
And then I tell them, no, no, no, I'm not Willie Nelson.
I am Mel Waters.
And they know who you are?
Well, they know exactly who I am.
And next thing you know, I've got three or four truckers standing around me, and we're talking.
I once was out, and I've got an RV, Mel, and we talked to truckers on CB.
You know, that's real handy when you're on the road, and I encountered some truckers, my wife and I did, and we were running with them.
You know, you do that.
You kind of run in a pack, and they wouldn't believe it was me.
They said, your name is Art?
You're from Broadway?
Are you Art Bell?
I said, yes, I'm Art Bell.
They said, no, you're not.
I haven't had any problem with it.
It's interesting.
I guess a lot of the truckers that are listening to you aren't seeing you on your website.
Well, I mean, even on the radio, though, on CB.
We were just talking to them on CB.
Oh, so they heard your voice?
Yeah, that's right.
They would not believe it was me.
They finally did, but it took about an hour.
Anyway, Mel... You know, we're heading back, and we're near Portland, and he turns on the radio, and I'm on the air.
You know, at first, I didn't believe I was... You know, this is a dream.
We've been on the road too long, and no doubt I was...
We were wrapping up the show there and I decided, well, I'm heading back here.
I have to see a doctor for a check up here.
You know, I came up here and I thought, what the heck, I'll bring the audience up to date here.
I kind of left people dangling there at the end of... Yeah, I got a lot of, hey, I'm dangling here, what's the story on Mel's Hole?
Now, to bring everybody, just very quickly, the 101, you found, you had a piece of property in Washington.
Yeah, out near Ellensburg, Washington, the center of Washington State, near the Monastash Ridge, which is sort of like the mountain range that runs along uh... or uh... ellensburg is in the kittitas valley
and so they got a belly you've got outrangers and bridges and so forth and
basically where the properties located uh... out there uh...
i don't know what happened but i don't know what will uh...
or what happened with the property We'll give you the nickel tour.
Basically, this was back in 1997, so this was five years ago, that I sent a fax to the show here.
Basically, I described what I had done about this hole and how I Lowered some fishing line into it because, quite frankly, for years and years and years and years and years, people were dumping stuff into the holes.
I'm talking refrigerators.
I'm talking dead animals.
My favorite thing to toss in there was TV picture tubes, but no matter what we tossed in there, we never heard anything hit bottom.
Let me stop you for just one second, Mel.
Do you have a Bible?
Yes.
Go get your Bible.
I'll wait.
I have the Bible right here.
You have it that handy?
Yes.
Place your hand on it, Mel.
It is right on the Bible.
Do you swear to me with your hand on that Bible, Mel, that what you are telling me and about to tell me is the whole truth, the absolute truth?
Let us say the absolute truth.
The absolute truth.
Cute.
I'm sorry about the whole truth thing.
The absolute truth, with your hand on the Bible, so help you God.
Yes, I do.
Alright, then let us proceed.
You threw TV picture tubes down, but I mean, I remember cows going down and... Yes, some people do dead cattle out there.
I had a little Mexican fellow that used to throw Literally truckloads of tires down there.
And there was enough, the hole was big enough so that you could throw something down and you wouldn't hear it cascading off the side.
It was nine feet across and it had a retaining wall around the top of it and the stone went down a bit.
As far as I can tell, as far as I could see.
No splash, no crash, no bang, nothing.
And it seemed to be, it didn't look like it tapered.
It looked, you know, from everything that I could see.
It looked as wide as far as you could see.
It was a hole.
Yeah.
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe it's further than I could see.
It tapered.
I have no idea.
But I figure if something tapered, eventually it tapers down to nothing and things start collecting.
Well, nine feet in diameter, that's a big hole.
That's a good-sized hole.
Three yards across, that's more than The average human being is standing up.
So you had something across the hole, right?
Yeah, we put some corrugated metal and stuff on top of it to secure it.
By the way, did you fence the hole in?
Was there any protection?
Was there a sign up that said... Beware of the hole?
No.
Yeah, beware of the hole.
That, I think, would fall under the category of attractive nuisance.
You start warning people.
That gets people enticed.
But how about protecting people?
I mean... Oh, well, again, that's what the corrugated metal on top was for.
It was secured on there pretty good, so you couldn't open this up without basically busting the mechanism open.
So, you began lowering fishing line into the hole from this centerpiece, right?
Yeah.
First, I used to do a lot of shark fishing, so I had a couple of big fishing poles with a lot of line on them.
What I was curious about is to find out if there was any water down there.
You know, what the heck.
So I lowered a big reel full of line into it and had a roll of lifesavers on the bottom.
The roll of lifesavers was simply because if they hit water, the lifesavers would dissolve.
Absolutely.
They would melt.
You know, it's an old fisherman's trick.
So that's what I did.
You know, I lowered down, I emptied this reel.
I assume there's about 500 yards of line on this particular reel there.
I did that with another reel, so I connected them up there and it got down to about 3,000 feet.
Same result.
And then finally, I get kind of nuts about the whole thing there, so I went and bought basically monofilament in wholesale quantities.
It's the kind of stuff they fill the fishermen's reels with down at the sporting goods stores.
You see, they have monster reels.
Sure.
Giant.
So, you know, basically I started lowering the stuff down there on a By the way, did you have any help or were you doing this all by yourself?
No, but the project was conducted by myself.
I didn't have assistance or anything like that.
It was your own property anyway, right?
It was my property.
My wife was becoming estranged from me so she wasn't hanging around or anything.
I was just sort of out there at the property just to satisfy my own curiosity.
And basically at the point where I had reached 80,000 feet of line into, uh, uh, Dole.
And, uh, I had a little, uh, uh, for lack of a better word, I had a little witch that kept track of, uh, it's just like a little, it's not a, it's not a, it's like a mechanical digital counter.
But it was made for measuring how much line goes down.
So I knew exactly how much line I'd put into the hole at that point.
Which was?
80,000 feet.
80,000 feet.
8,000 times 10, or 8-0-0-0 is over 80,000 feet.
Something like 15 miles of line went into that hole.
Uh, there are people who have questioned, uh, I mean, you had a little weight, of course, on the end.
Uh, yeah, exactly.
And then you had the weight of the line itself.
Now at some point, people say the line would be so heavy that you would have no idea whether you actually hit bottom or not.
Well, uh, Yeah, I would think so.
And again, the only thing is I do recall, I got back to you, and what I did is I actually measured the weight of the line in the hole.
I had little spring fishermen put it on the thing.
And I believe I had somewhere between, with the weight on the bottom, between 17 and 18 pounds of weight attached to the top.
Well, that would have been within the limits, right?
I don't know.
I think about it now, and I think about what I've been through, and I think about all these things here, and I don't know what to make of any of this stuff.
I don't know why.
Well, didn't you have somebody talk about they're drilling like these huge deep holes in Russia or something like that?
Oh, absolutely.
Okay, you got your deep holes there.
I don't know what the depth of a hole is.
The hole there has been there for As long as anybody can remember.
If you talk to some people there, they say, oh yeah, this was there, you know, from my grandparents.
Are there people who say they were volcanic vents, or whatever?
Could be.
It could be.
But still, at 80,000 feet, no, bottom of the hole.
Now, this hole exhibited some, lack of a better term, paranormal aspects.
Well, yeah, and I believe what I had noted was that my dogs wouldn't have anything to do with it.
They wouldn't go anywhere near it.
Right.
The birds didn't mess with the retaining wall.
It's the kind of place birds like to go.
They didn't go anywhere near it.
There were people that told me various things when I talked to them about it.
One man claimed he had thrown a dog that died into it and at some point after that he was out there hunting around up there in the hills.
He saw the same exact same dog just going through the woods like it was hunting with somebody.
So the hole then brought the dog back to life, is the idea?
Well, now here's the thing here.
I said, well did you call the dog back to you?
And you know, did it come back to you?
He said it looked like it was hunting with somebody else.
That's what he said.
Well, at least it was happy.
It was there on the same places where he had gone to.
Now, you believe so strongly in the powers of this hole, I know, that as one condition... Well, I'm getting ahead of myself.
A government came and took your hole.
There was quite a period of time there where, after the program, all hell had broken loose.
And I was going back to the hole.
I actually wasn't living when I had talked to you.
Originally, I was not living on the property.
We had just had a Really major snowstorm, like two feet of snow in 24 hours, and most of my trailer buildings and stuff were all caved in on the property, so it was a real mess out there anyway.
I'd taken an apartment in town, and so, you know, it was the next day or whatever.
I go back there, and I'm driving up to my property, and even before I get anywhere near the property, I'm met by basically uniformed people who were telling me that there was a plane crash.
On my property that they have to investigate a clarity accident and that I'm, you know, not to you know, they will let me know when I can come back.
Now, bear in mind, everybody, this was immediately after our broadcast.
Nobody knew about the hole until the broadcast.
Immediately after the broadcast, the next day he goes back and they're giving him this plane crash.
And, you know, I said, you know, I mean, I'm not dumb.
I'm looking around.
I don't see any smoke.
I don't smell any smoke.
And I didn't see any evidence of what would be a plane crash.
So I'm pretty much believing they're handing me a bill of goods.
And, you know, I said, look, this is my property.
I want to get onto it.
And, uh, basically there were some threats made against me that, uh, you know, I was then told it would be fairly easy for people to find a drug lab on my property there.
I'm basically a man who deals in herbs and Native American, uh, herbal medicine.
Well, they're saying, like, back off, buddy, or we got you.
We got you, and what could I do?
Yeah.
You know, I mean, what I had there I suppose could be construed as a drug lab. I mean, I don't
know, but that's where it was.
Well, was it a real drug lab or?
Well, I had the various plants that grow native in that area there. I had some plants that I brought
up from Nevada growing over there, but none of these things or anything but plants you would find
growing in a high desert environment.
And there are a lot of psychedelic hallucinogenic plants.
No, I do not deal with anything like that.
Well, but that's normal.
I mean, that's all over the desert.
It may not be widely known, but in all truth, there's all kinds of hallucinogens that grow naturally in the desert.
Oh, the people that know, and I've worked extensively with Native Americans, and they can walk through Okay, so it's not like you had a meth lab up there or anything like that?
Yeah, that's what they were implying.
It was herbal stuff.
Alright, so they scare you the hell away.
Then, how did you come to make a deal with the government?
How did that happen?
You know, I have a hard time figuring out what led around here.
Basically, I wasn't going to back off.
I was basically talking to the press.
You are the press, Art Bell.
And so what they did is offer to lease my property from me in perpetuity for a very healthy sum of money.
I'm talking like a quarter of a million dollars a month.
That's three million bucks a year.
That's a lot of money.
And, you know, I had agreed for them to let me relocate in Australia, a place that I love and actually wish I could go back to, but that's neither here nor there.
Well, you did in fact go to Australia because I had a couple of emails from you when you were there.
I would contact you from time to time there just to let you know.
Yeah, I know that's true.
So you had taken the money and I figured you were probably sipping martinis in some nice Aussie outback location with lots of nice young Australians.
Yes, and just having a nice life.
Combing my beard and all that stuff.
So what the hell happened?
Well, and then I was doing well.
I did a lot of good work over there.
One of the things that I was allowed to do was to bring some of my plants with me.
Did they send you the money?
Oh, yeah.
It appeared regularly in my account.
I got the money, Johnny, on the spot.
It was great.
They allowed me to bring my dogs with me, which I don't know if you know about transporting dogs across the seas, but you normally can't bring dogs.
Well, without quarantine for a long period of time.
They were not in quarantine.
They just said, hey.
So they got you right past that.
They got me right there.
I got the red carpet treatment.
You were the king of the hole, no doubt about it.
That was it.
I was living good.
I was happy.
And, you know, basically, you know, doing fine, doing my work out there.
Did a lot of work out there on Wombat Rescue and Wombat Restoration there was great.
How many quarter million dollar payments did they actually come through with?
Well, I was there from... I haven't tallied it up there, but I was basically there from March of 97 until right before the millennium.
I mean the year 2000.
All right, all right.
Mel, hold on.
Hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
I'm Art Bell.
Mel Waters is my guest.
much more ahead.
Thank you for watching.
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I will see you in the next video.
Bye.
Thank you.
Bye.
Take me out, you take my soul control.
I'm out.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
My guest is Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame, and he'll be right back.
Now, the keepers of the network vault of time information informed me that Mel Waters was originally on program February 21st of 1997, then again February 24th, three days later.
Then, he wasn't on until April of 2000.
That would have been, I guess, when he came back to the U.S.
So, that's the timeline we've got.
That sounds about right, Mel.
So, you know, they paid you, Mel, A lot of money.
I mean, there were several payments of a quarter million dollars, right?
Oh, yeah.
Just as nice as every month.
Well, what the hell happened to all the money?
Well, I'll tell you what happened.
I had come back in December of... What was it?
When was... I was on... It would have been 2000.
You were on April of 2000, so... 2001.
Well, it says 2000 here.
It was right before the millennium.
No, no, no.
This was the millennium.
In 1999, in December, I'd come back and I actually contacted you to appear on the air.
I was in the U.S.A.
and I thought we'd just kind of... Actually, it would have been a boring interview.
It would have just been, oh, how life was good in Australia and how wonderful things were.
But everybody would know, hey, now the life is doing okay.
Basically at that point I was helping my nephew move from Tacoma to Olympia during the day before the interview.
We were moving down there in a U-Haul truck and I was driving the truck back and I was going to take the bus back to Olympia.
There was some strangeness that occurred on the bus.
There was an altercation.
From what appeared to me, there were policemen and transit people that came over there.
I was asked to give my statement.
I said, no, no, no.
I got to get back to Olympia, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I can't miss the last bus.
They said, that's OK.
You can talk to us.
We'll drive you back in the van.
That was the last thing I remembered.
Because when I had woke up, it was about 12 days later, and I was in a real seedy part of San Francisco lying in an alley.
These winos were basically trying to get me to sing on the road again.
Beaten up, as I recall.
I was bad.
I had no teeth in the back of my mouth, no molars.
They were gone.
Dennis, by the way, has since done some exemplary work for you.
Do you like that?
He gave me some state-of-the-art dentures.
They are wonderful.
You were abducted.
You were beaten up.
God knows what happened to you.
You found yourself in San Francisco in a disaster.
You have come back from that, obviously, but I still want to know, Mel, what the hell happened to all the money?
Well, what happened was that when I had gone back and I was with my nephew, I found out that I had been served with legal papers that said that basically the terms of my divorce with my former wife were basically being canceled.
My rights because of the various modifications that were made to the property after I was no longer using the property.
Basically septic systems were put in, there was various paving that was done and modifications that basically I was not allowed to do.
And so I no longer had any claim on that property.
That's basically where I'm left.
Okay, still though Mel, what about all the money you did receive?
Did you blow it on Wine, Women and Song or what?
Well again, when you have a lot of money, you can only eat so much food and drink so
much good scotch.
I devoted a good deal of the money I had, one for the research I was doing, that was
my activity.
We're creating a facility for dealing with our wombat friends in Australia.
Yeah, I know you were very concerned about that.
I remember you writing about wombats.
I am so proud of them, because if you go now... So your money went to the wombats, really?
The majority of it, but right after that, I tried to access my money.
My money wasn't there.
I had sent emails to my colleagues in Australia.
They said my whole facility was dismantled over there.
Everyone was giving a severance check because I had various students and various people working for me there because I'm not a veterinarian or anything like that.
Again, you can go through quite a bit of money there.
I was glad to do it.
So there I am, basically lying in the gutter, no teeth.
You know, I could still see the tape on my arms where they had taped down an IV or some sort of thing to it, so I was out of it for the longest time.
I contacted my nephew and he managed to get me a bus ticket back north.
Brother, talk about going from being a whole baron to absolutely nothing.
Yeah, I had nothing.
That's kind of where I left everything.
We left last talk.
Now, I know that you've had contact with the Native American community since you've been back.
Is that right?
Oh, yeah.
In fact, we will get into that because that leads to part two of all of this.
Yeah, I know.
To kind of wrap things up, I wanted to bring up some things because you probably noticed I was pretty ticked off that they'd stole my belt box.
I remember that.
I went back to Ellensburg.
I sold a number of these similar belt buckles at the farmers market and through little consignment jewelry stores in Ellensburg.
Sure enough, when I'm there, I run into a guy who's wearing one of my belt buckles.
No, and they were made with a silver fork, and I had... Yeah, you'd know your own work, you know?
Yeah, I mean, they were very unique, and this was kind of a little folk art thing, and I had... What is the point, though?
Well, the point is that I kept on thinking, why would they take my belt buckle?
That was the thing.
I mean, this was a very personal item there that would, you know... I had another belt buckle on my belt.
See what I'm saying?
Why take a man's belt buckle?
Makes no sense.
Yeah.
So anyway, I run into this guy and I said, hey, you bought one of my belt buckles.
Oh yeah, I love this thing.
Anyway, so we take a look at it and we're looking at it and basically the motif on there is I had three coins, you know, that had affixed to it in bezels.
Right.
There was a coin with Winston Churchill on it.
There was a coin with Joseph Stalin and there was a point died with franklin roosevelt rather distinctive
as well but this was folk art representing
that the great conference that they have touch so we're looking we're looking at the coins there and we're
noticing there it is a nineteen forty three
roosevelt time franklin roosevelt was still alive in nineteen forty three
when i did Are you sure?
Yes, absolutely sure.
Absolutely sure.
It was a 1943 Dyne.
Well, that just makes no sense whatsoever.
I found a, you know, on my property, you know, I cleared a land, you know, I found that Uh, Nazi sort of gun there, it was a P-38 that I gave to the landlord as a deposit.
I recall, yes.
And we'd dig up all kinds of things, bits of metal and stuff like that.
What I found when I went, one time I was digging around there, just rooting around, I found one of these red Chinese lucky money envelopes, you know the kind the Chinese give to each other on... Yes.
On New Year's?
Yes, yes, yes.
And it had ten of these dimes in it!
So I got ten dimes, you know, I'm making, you know, these belt buckles, I put one in each one there.
So we're examining this dine here with this fellow in Ellensburg, and it struck us at the same time.
I mean, when I told you 1943 Roosevelt Dine, you thought, okay, well, you know, it couldn't exist.
We had a dine that there's no way it could exist.
Right.
But it looked just like Your normal dime, but from 1943.
And the only other thing that was kind of peculiar about it was that it had a B, as in baby, mint mark on it.
Now, we have S for San Francisco, P for Philadelphia, D for Denver.
Correct.
But I have no record anywhere of a B, as in baby, mint mark.
Or Boston?
Boston.
Could be Boston.
I don't know what it was, but no B mint mark.
On a dime.
Anyway, this guy is really curious.
He decides to go see a big-time coin dealer about this coin.
And he goes in there and the coin dealer takes a look at it.
He just is like, mouth is hanging open.
I'm telling you, I'm relating the story from my buddy.
Okay.
He looks at this thing and he's just flabbergasted.
But what I don't understand is how all this relates.
Well, it ties into why My belt buckle was taken.
Oh.
Because it had the same coin on there.
Oh.
Now, are you fairly sure it was not the same belt buckle?
I had made a series of ten of them.
I made one.
I had ten of those same coins.
I understand.
So now was this the same belt buckle?
No, it was one that he must have bought.
Okay.
Okay.
Would you have any way of knowing if it was the same one?
No.
They were all custom made, so each one was a little bit different.
I would know for a fact that it was not the one I wore every day of my life.
But he took it to a coin dealer and the coin dealer was just amazed.
He couldn't even begin to grasp what he was holding in front of him.
He started telling him, I don't know, This could be a prototype.
Well, nothing explains it.
I mean, time travel?
What would explain... Something created before Roosevelt would have even died.
You know, when they created that dime, they went to... You know, they sped up the process to get a Roosevelt dime after he died.
But there's nothing that explains it.
The guy offered him a huge amount of money.
The coin dealer.
Here, I'm going to write you a very substantial check.
You gave me the dime.
The guy says, let me think about it.
Okay.
I'll give you my number.
You give me a call and you know, and I'll let you know what I think.
Make a long story short, a day or two later, this guy is visited by treasury officials there who said they have to confiscate this coin from them for Do you remember where you got these coins?
so they took the coin away from the ship.
Should have made the deal the day before.
He should have made the deal.
Well, well.
So now, so somehow, do you remember where you got these coins?
Yeah, they were on my property.
They were on the property.
Just showed up laying on the property?
No, I was actually digging around there, you know, because I, you know, turned a lot of dirt over there to plant stuff and grow things there.
You know, I think about this and nothing explains it.
I mean, time travel would not explain it.
You know, the only thing that I, you know, I even began to think about, you know, it's like over the years I didn't pay attention to it, but it was like I don't know if you've noticed this, but in the middle of every intersection on the road, there's always a little pile of nuts and bolts.
If you drive by, you'll notice them.
Little springs.
Right in the middle of the intersection.
Stuff that falls off of cars.
It seemed to me like that property was like that.
All kinds of odds and ends.
Well, you know, it's strange that you would mention all of this now.
I remember you telling the story of your belt buckle being gone, but you didn't go into the detail about your belt buckle before.
No, because I didn't know the significance of it.
I just looked at it as a couple of old silver times.
So now suddenly you relate it back to the hole in the property.
Exactly.
I see.
So that kind of explains why the buckle would be taken from me.
I suppose so.
It might be proof of something other than it should be.
Who knows what, yeah.
But that happened over there.
And I just wanted to bring it up today.
I haven't been able to track down my former wife at all.
I mean, she is just like...
Vanished. I don't know where she is. I don't know what name she's gone under. I have no idea.
Alright, here's a question for you, Mel.
The military obviously still is in possession of your property, yes?
Well, you know, we have been saying military. We have been saying government.
Whatever, whoever they are, they've got it, right?
There is someone in possession of the property, yes.
So if a person were to go to this property, they would be halted or stopped before they could go on and make any sort of investigation or whatever, right?
I'm going to assume a number of things, since I have not actually gone anywhere within five miles of the property.
Since there's a chain link fence around it, there's probably a sign that says agricultural research do not enter or something like that.
That's what I'm going to assume.
Okay.
I'm also going to assume that what it looked like when I owned it or had it in my possession, it doesn't look like it now.
I will also clue everybody into one thing.
Art, are you familiar with the terror server?
Yes, that's...
The satellite imagery?
Yes, you can get satellite imagery of almost any spot on Earth.
Okay, you go to the Terra server...
Yes.
And you go see the pictures where my property is in the Manassas.
All right, well why don't you tell us how to do that?
In other words, what specific photograph are we looking at?
There should be a number or something.
Well, yeah, I don't have that handy, but if you found Ellensburg, and you zoomed out, the picture got smaller, you will see where my property is, and it's very easy to see where it is.
And how would we identify it?
Because it has been expunged.
What do you mean?
Those pictures do not appear on the satellite server.
The ones taken in June of 2000.
Well, instead, where your property ought to be, what do we see?
Two white squares.
Are you serious?
Absolutely.
You go to Terror Server.
That's provided by Microsoft.
They're not going to give any URLs.
No, a lot of people know how to do it.
And look up Ellensburg.
Right.
Zoom out.
Right.
And then you will see, over where the Monastash Ridge is, my property blanked out.
Actually, quite a bit.
There's quite a few.
Wow!
So, that is...
You don't have to go by what I say.
Oh no, no, no, listen, one of my...
You can look at it yourself.
Trust me when I tell you, one of my listeners, within the hour, I can guarantee, will find
the exact photograph you're talking about, if it exists.
Send me the URL and or send Keith a URL and we'll get it up and take a look.
And you're claiming... It's not there.
It's been expunged.
Well, expunged away they might, but that still would identify the exact location.
Well, it still covers a lot of ground there.
But where it is, and I assume that because this picture was taken in 2000, Okay, this, I believe it was in June or something of 2000.
Right.
That there's been a lot of differences made in that area.
And none of these, see, you get a really good picture on a terror server.
Well, yeah, pretty good.
You can see, you can basically see A car on the road with the terror server.
Yeah, yeah.
That's from a satellite.
So, I mean, you'd see a hole.
You'd see outbuildings.
Alright, alright.
Let's direct people again.
Let's say it again.
So, listeners who want to go to Terror Server right now and help us out, tell them where to go again.
Look up Ellensburg, Washington.
Then?
And then you just zoom out on the town until you see the black, the white squares where my property would have been.
And that would be exactly?
On the Manassas Ridge.
All right, there's a good piece of evidence we can go hunting for.
Let's go there, but whoever controls the satellite and releasing it to the terror server people decided not to let them have these pictures.
Oh, isn't that something?
Okay.
So... I mean, every listener can do this.
I mean, you know, I've had, you know, people want to, you know, want to go out there, and the only thing I tell them is, don't go there.
I mean, I don't know what's going to happen to you.
I don't know what people will do to you.
It's going to be nothing but grief of one sort or another.
I mean, it's these guys to go to Area 51.
You know that people have made treks to find Mel's hole.
Right now, I tell you, look, it's there.
Don't go there.
You don't have to go there.
It's there.
But don't go there on my account.
I don't want to be responsible for anybody.
Anyway, so that was kind of like bringing this into focus here, okay?
It brings us certainly up to date, yes.
I had a couple of other interesting things.
These things are kind of loose ends, but they're not loose ends.
All right, you're going to have to hold on, because we're at the top of the hour, and then we're going to shortly get to the next hole.
Mel has a new, apparently endless hole.
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Well folks, for a short time it would appear as though we brought the entire Terra server down.
However, enough of you went and looked, and we believe we found the frame in question.
Keith has it posted right now.
It covers an area, it says, five kilometers southwest of Ellensburg, Washington.
And I'll be damned if there isn't a big white block missing from the center of this part of the Terra server in the Manatash... I can never say that.
The Manatash?
Manat... Anyway, the area that he was talking about.
We've got the link up there on my site right now.
Go to artbell.com, go to program, tonight's guest info.
And you will see related link Terra server image of Ellensburg, Washington.
And there is a big missing area.
Now whether this is it or not, I don't know.
We'll ask Mel in a moment, but it's on my website right now.
Thank you.
Sorry about that Terra server.
All right, we've got one Terra server image.
Which says it's covering an area about five miles southwest of Ellensburg, Washington.
Does that sound right?
That's about the neck of the woods we're talking about.
Well, in this neck of the woods there's one great big white blotted out area where I presume, where I should be able to see it.
And it does look like a very interesting area actually.
There would be Mel's Hole somewhere there, huh?
Yeah, I think that blot Yes.
Over there, covers like a 4 mile by 8 mile area.
My goodness.
What a blotch.
Isn't that something?
Yes.
My nephew told me about that and I said, well you son of a gun.
Well, he's right.
We've got it up on the website right now.
People can go take a look for themselves.
So now we have pinned down, better than ever before, the area where Mel's Hole actually is.
Thank you Mel.
That's damn good research.
By the way, not too far from there on the highway that goes to Yakima, I think it's 84 or 85, there's a rest stop.
And I had a lot of reports from a lot of people that if they look towards the Monastash, they will see the black beam of light.
They have seen it.
I have had truckers, I've had people in town say, That's where I was. I was looking towards it and I saw the
flash of black light.
Maybe my audience is not aware, but a television crew went up to Ellensburg after we did the last program
and researched this. And I'll be doggone, they didn't find the hole, but they did find near the area where you were
talking about a lot of military footprints and all kinds of information
that would indicate the military in fact had been there or was there.
Oh, they would have probably seen a lot of yellow gear, tread marks on the ground.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
You name it, it was there.
But my nephew coughed that little piece of information up for me and I thought I'd pass that along to And they can ask why is it that pretty innocuous, I mean, from all intents and purposes, there's not a military base right there.
Well, who knows?
Well, I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Not an obvious one.
Very close to my property there was the Yakima Firing Range, and I will tell you that they have expanded the area.
of the Yakima firing range and also expanded the fly zone over it, correspondingly.
Isn't this all so interesting?
It's all there.
Earlier in the program, before you got on Mel, somebody fast blasted me and I considered this a really good question.
It is, what are the odds of any single one person Uh, finding two apparently bottomless or endless holes in one lifetime.
The odds against that have got to be gazillions to one, but then I... Oh, yeah.
In fact, so you don't even, you don't even, you can't even consider rots, you know.
That's right.
So out of, outlandish.
And, oh, by the way, one other thing before, before we even get to that.
Richard Hoagland called at the top of the hour.
And said, you know, Wadart, you're right.
Normal time travel could not explain what he just talked about.
But there is one thing that could.
And that is?
A parallel universe.
That is to say, a universe in which similar things occurred, but with very different outcomes.
And a lot of our best scientific minds now, Mel, are saying that uh... indeed that uh... that could work very well be the case uh... you know there could be a universe in which the nazis won the war and so there could be a universe in which the dime that you came to be in possession of on that will be on it but it's good for berlin there you go well by god berlin highland p i've got about that uh... alright i'd listen and anyway i thought that there there we are and and uh...
A few things I will add to this, just to get us current, okay?
Yes.
Is that I had reports from some of my trucker buddies who once said he delivered a huge quantity of fiber optic cable.
Really?
To a warehouse in Ellensburg.
Now, okay, I don't know, we're talking a huge quantity to a warehouse.
Now, let's see, what might they want to do with fiber optics?
Well, he told me that all the guys that were there, that were in the office there and at the warehouse where you had to load the stuff in, they were all Israelis.
What?
They were all Israelis.
Now, it's really going to tick me off if the Israelis have our hole.
Well, this is what he told me.
I mean, that is our hole.
It's a U.S.
It's on our land here.
That's right.
But he said that the people that took delivery of that were Israelis.
Now I talked with another trucker.
I love the truckers.
The truckers are...
I can tell.
I love them.
They're good guys.
I know.
They're the best in the world.
They are.
They actually are.
Delivered apparently to the same warehouse a number of crated instruments, large crated
instruments from Lawrence Livermore Laboratory.
Oh, gee.
California ended up in a warehouse facility in Ellensburg.
So that's pretty much where I am with Ellensburg.
I told you about the coin.
I told you about the deliveries.
Yes.
Pretty much up to date.
Now it suddenly brings the whole belt buckle thing down in San Fran into focus.
My God, that's incredible.
That's incredible.
I mean, you know it's funny, Art.
You look at some things and you don't put too much into it.
You say it's a dime.
I mean, I told you about it.
It's a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
Yeah.
What the heck?
That's a dime.
What are you going boo-hoo about your dime?
Until you realize Well, it finally all drove it home to me.
All right, all right.
Again, that was me, too.
I had these things in my hand.
I did little soldering around them and stuff.
I mean, you know, don't feel bad.
All right.
Now, in view of time here, let's move this forward.
You are connected, obviously, because, I guess, of the plants that you grow, the herbs and all the rest of it, with Native Americans, right?
Yeah.
All I'm going to tell you about them, I don't want to give the name of the tribe, because I don't want a bunch of people running down to meet there.
These are very poor people.
As you know, a lot of the Indians on the reservation are very poor people.
Now, this is in Nevada, right?
In Nevada.
Okay.
And there are tribes up there.
Well, because of the kind of work you did, the metallic work you did in belt buckles and the herbs, I can easily understand the connection you would have with Some Native Americans.
So you connected with these Native Americans?
Well, they connected with me.
They actually contacted me through email.
Oh!
And said, look, would you be interested in coming down and discussing with us, you know, what you're doing, the research that you're doing?
And, you know, talk about, you know, I have no, believe me, Art, I have no commercial interest in this at all.
But they do.
Okay.
That's fine.
Okay?
Fine.
You know, there's not going to be a patented bottle of Mel's Magic Elixir here, okay?
Okay, fine.
This is their thing, but we, you know, we swap notes, we talk around a lot, and there are some specific... They knew who you were because of my program... Because of the show, yeah.
Okay.
And so I went down there, and this was in early September of last year.
Okay.
Well, this was actually before 9-11.
Right.
But shortly before that.
Early September.
I was pretty much in Comunicado basically during that whole time, and strangely enough, so a lot of this stuff is news to me.
All right.
So, you know, we're over there, and they had done a lot of good work.
They had cataloged a lot of plants.
You know, we talk plants.
I'm sure all this plant stuff is boring.
And I asked them if they knew.
Look, and I told them, I said the plants that seemed to work the best were the plants that I had been growing on my property, and I described to them which ones they were.
This was the hole near Washington, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And so obviously you unraveled the story of the hole to them.
Well, they were aware of it.
So I said, can you In your gathering and in your research and in your studies, have you found this specific variety?
And I said, because this was the variety that grew by the property.
And that's where I ended up at the second all, is because they took me directly to, not for the whole in particular.
Well, then it's obvious to me that they knew your reputation.
Right.
The whole story of the hole, and the real motivation for inviting you down there, aside from the herbs and the rest of it, was that they had a hole of their own.
Well, the hole itself.
We're going to get into the hole, I guess, deeply, for lack of a better term.
Now you're guilty.
I'm sorry, Art.
But basically, the hole is not on their property.
Okay.
I mean, basically their connection, you know, to get from the reservation or where the Indians are to the hole is they know where it is.
But you're telling me this hole is in my state?
In the state of Nevada.
In the state of, oh my God.
Okay.
And if you looked at the picture of where the Monastash is in Washington and try to find similar pictures in Nevada, you'd probably find it there too.
We have very similar looking terrain.
It really is.
That's why I love the high desert.
That's my kind of land.
So anyway, so I'm up there and this land is used by members of the Basque.
The Basker are interesting people and they basically came out to your state and a couple of other states basically for raising sheep of all things.
And so they are shepherds and so I am introduced to what is now the second hole.
All right.
Tell me about this.
I mean, they took you to it.
They took me there.
I was, I was not, I did not go all the way up to the hole, but there was conversations between the Native Americans and the Basque and blah, blah, blah.
They basically agreed that, you know, everything was as it should be, that I wasn't, you know, from CNN or the FBI or CIA or whatever.
And so I went there and I got to see the hole.
All right.
What's there?
What it is, is that if you, you know, walking up to it, and first of all, this is in a fairly pristine area, okay, so there's like no real signs of civilization around there.
There's no roads leading into it, there's no telephone wires, nothing like that.
We're talking pristine area.
Right.
No signs of, except for their habitation, no signs of habitation.
Gotcha.
Okay, you're walking up to it, and what you see sticking out of the ground, Well, the hole itself is the same dimension as the one in Ellsberg.
Wow!
Nine feet in diameter?
Nine feet in diameter.
This one had a metal collar around it.
A metal collar?
A solid metal collar.
It rose from how high?
Two feet high and about two feet deep.
A metal collar and it had some notches in it that you could look like In my estimation, you could make something with it, you know, to lock it in place.
It could possibly have been like a locking collar.
You mean something was, in other words, it looked like something intended to lock to it from above?
Exactly.
Something would be lowered onto it and locked into place.
But the Basques tell me that this property, or this hole here, has been there for all of their experience, and they have been there since the 1800s.
just the way it is, but the same home.
On not their land. They don't own this land, Art.
This is probably government, U.S. government land.
Well, the majority of land here in Nevada is BLM.
Well, exactly.
Bureau of Land Management.
It's not, it's not, they don't own it. They use the land.
You know, they graze sheep, blah blah blah, that sort of thing.
And how long have they known of this hole, do you know?
Well, again, one fellow I know says he knew this from when he was a young man and he was well into his late 80s.
So he knew it from probably for the last 70 years.
Alright, because of what you did, we know a lot, at least quite a bit, about your hole up near Ellensburg.
But this hole, what do we know about this hole?
It's the diameter and apparently it is lined with that same metal as far as you can see.
You're kidding?
It is solidly lined as far as you can see.
So this is not a natural hole by any stretch?
There's nothing natural about this hole at all.
Nothing.
Can you tell what kind of metal it is?
No, but I'll tell you one thing.
It was kind of an accident, but I dropped the box wrench on it.
Right.
You know, on the ledge?
Yes.
Made no noise.
No noise?
No noise whatsoever.
You know, you drop a box wrench on a metal floor... Clank.
Clank.
Nothing.
You know, we repeat the experiment.
Clank.
Nothing.
It makes no... You could pound on that thing with a sledgehammer, and it won't make noise.
Okay?
Oh, no.
This is what I'm telling you about right now, is that this one here is so different from the one that I had in Ellenspur.
Like, totally different.
uh... mobile because of this metal uh... around but when you when you touch the metal does it
feel metallic is it cold was metal
all it this this
uh... this is a while this is interesting because a lot a lot of the uh...
uh... the uh... of that the fellows that that there there is there's five of us
that you know towards the end of it and start with two and ended up with five
But, uh, what they say, when they're up there, even in the wintertime, they can, they can, like, uh, put their, uh, tent and sleeping bag right up against it.
Keep them nice and warm.
Warm?
Yes.
It keeps them nice and warm, but it is not hot.
You know, it's not like, you know, like a fire hot.
But the metal itself over there radiates.
I don't even know how to describe it there.
In other words, if you touch it with your hand, is it hot or does it just produce radiant heat?
There is heat around it, but it itself is not hot.
How does that work?
This is really weird, Mel.
So that's the thing there.
you know that's what you know that that's the thing there and so we have we
have this you know and again from my understanding they have known
about that hole up there It has been known since the 1800s.
It has been known exactly the way it is.
I can tell you that some of the people that I talked with towards the end of everything on my way back said it was a spiritual site for them up there.
I asked the native... Spiritual site.
All right.
Hold it right there, Mel.
Good cliffhanger point, so to speak.
Sorry about that.
Mel Waters is my guest and we're beginning to hear about a second hole, oh my goodness, right here in Nevada.
It's a second hole. It's a second hole.
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All right, uh, Mel has confirmed one thing for us.
Uh, we found the image on the Terra server that Mel refers to that has a big, white square exactly where Mel's hole would be in Washington.
Now, Mel is connected with Native Americans here in my state, in Nevada, and the Basques, and they've led him to this second well, covered with metal.
It's got a metal collar all the way around it, and get this folks, going all the way down inside the well, the metal continues as far as the eye can see, or as they have been able to thus far detect, more in a moment.
Coming up on Thursday, by the way, I've got Jan Lombard here, who's an advocate of the Hollow Earth Theory.
And that may, in some way, relate to what we're talking about tonight.
I have no idea.
We'll find out.
In the meantime, Mel, so you've got this metal around the hole about, you said, a foot or two high?
Two feet high, two feet wide.
And two feet wide.
And the hole is nine feet in diameter.
And as far as you can see, the metal continues down.
This is no geographic hole.
This is no volcano vent.
Or if it is, it's been modified by somebody.
Well, if it's been modified, it's been modified I'm going to say long before the technology that we know of
today.
To do it.
And it looks like there was something that should be latching to this hole from above.
So, so it, it, it, it, I'm going to call the thing on top a collar, okay?
And that's, that's...
We'll call it the collar, alright.
And it looked like there's notches in it and it looked like you could lock something into
place or line something up in it.
Gotcha.
It didn't move.
I mean, the whole thing was solid.
It's solid metal.
places where there are notches in it, and something is meant to orient, in my opinion.
All right, what did the Basques or the Native Americans tell you about what they knew of the depth of this hole?
In other words, I'm sure they've thrown things into it or have experimented with trying to find out how deep it is or something, right?
Well, actually, they didn't do anything with lowering line it or anything to it, but they did relate to me the same phenomenon as That I had described, one, the fear of animals going by it.
Their dogs won't do it, nothing.
They have nothing to do with it there.
They too have spoken of the black beam.
They've spoken of that.
What kind of, what do you mean black beam?
From time to time, black beam, this is a contradiction, but a black beam of light, okay?
comes from the hole. It lasts for a very short time, but it just goes directly up into the sky.
And when you look at it, it looks like a black beam. In other words, as opposed to a lighted sky.
If you had a flashlight and it was capable of throwing off a black, not a black light like we used to have back in the 60s, you know, with all that stuff, but black, solid black.
Yeah, gotcha.
That's what, there's no way to describe it.
There's no, I am one of the few people that, I've had other people tell me about it, I have never personally witnessed.
The Black Beam.
You did perform some experiments on this hole, didn't you?
Okay, let me talk about the first one.
I'm not a scientist, I'm kind of a researcher, but the first thing that we did is we had a whole bunch of Safeway or 7-Eleven bags of ice.
The kind that you buy, you know, and we had a couple bags of that.
Put one in a bucket on the surface and we lowered another bucket of ice into the hole.
1,500 feet.
1,500 feet?
Yeah, we had access to a nice winch and about that much.
We only had 1,500 feet of line and that's what we... What was the idea of lowering ice into it?
Well, first of all, you know, my curiosity was that I wanted to know, was it hot or cold down there?
Okay.
So we basically waited for the ice to melt about halfway on the surface and then we would hoist up the... Oh, I see.
So your ice, you had test ice on the surface.
Yeah.
Oh, I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha.
You know, your garden variety, convenience store ice that you buy anywhere and there's nothing magic about it or anything like that.
Right, right.
And so we lowered it down there, we waited for the ice to melt on the surface there,
and it got about half melty, you know, so it was sitting in a bowl of, in a bucket of
water with a few bits of ice floating around, we brought it up, and the ice in the bucket
did not melt.
It didn't melt.
It was not melted.
So we said, I mean, this was on the...
Now, wait a minute now, the hole had been radiating, in some strange way, heat enough
that people would camp by it.
Yeah, they did that in the wintertime.
But it doesn't melt ice?
It didn't melt the ice.
I'm telling...
It came up there, it was...
We looked in the bucket, we had ice cubes in there.
Did anything come back up with the ice cubes?
We had ice cubes.
I reach in the bucket of ice cubes, I pick one up there.
So in other words, nothing else?
Dirt, water, anything else?
No, the stuff appeared pretty much the way we had set it down.
With the exception of when I put my hand in the ice, the ice wasn't cold.
Felt like ice.
What?
It wasn't cold.
This is what I'm saying.
It wasn't cold.
You pick up a piece of ice, you put it in your hand.
It's cold.
It melts.
And it's cold.
In fact, it makes you cold by melting.
That's how cold works.
Right.
Well, it wasn't cold, and in the hand, it didn't melt.
So then, now they're more like blocks of glass.
Yeah, I would say so.
But we said, okay, what we'll do here is we'll take this bucket and we'll stick it on the fire.
The bucket with the un-melted ice?
Un-melted ice.
You put on a fire?
We put it on like a cookin' fire there.
Okay.
We had a little table and cookin' area and stuff over there.
So we put it on there and the ice catches fire.
What?
The cubes catch fire.
And I guess maybe catching fire might be the wrong word.
We took it off the fire right away.
And so we set it on the dirt.
And the stuff in the bucket was still burning.
And again, burning might not be the right thing.
It was giving off heat.
Was there flame?
It was not so much a flame as a kind of a... Have you ever used a gas stove?
Sure.
Okay.
It was like the barest...
Turning a gas stove on it was like it was glowing like that last flicker before you turn it off completely. That's what
it was like Around all the cubes and you could you could knock the
cubes around and separate them each one of them You know what would do exhibit the same properties?
Holy smokes. I will tell you that this bucket Well some of the bucket there is still sitting there as far
as I know today still doing
What it was doing the day we put it into the ground and brought it up. So so this this was
September and this is January now That's how long it's been doing what I call burning.
One guy took some of the stuff home, he put it in his wood stove, and he's got a cabin out there, and it gets damn cold where he is, and the thing's been keeping his place warm.
Yeah, in northern Nevada it's very cold.
This is like giving off eternal heat?
I... I... You know, I... Or when it's... If I'm getting... I'm not sure I've got this right.
It is... It makes... Look... It was neutral when it came out of the well.
It was neutral.
In other words, you put it on the fire.
It appeared... Again, my terminology, this is very bad because... It acted like a fuel.
It looked... It will look like... If I understand combustion...
It was like it was doing combustion in a different way than we would attribute combustion to mixing air with fuel and creating heat and flame.
But it was doing kind of the same thing, is what I'd like to say.
And it's been burning like that since... Again, burning is the wrong word, but that's all I got for it.
I don't know how to describe this process since early September.
Again, a guy has... He took about A coffee can's worth of this stuff and put it, took it home and put it in his wood stove in his cabin.
You know, no wood in there.
Yes.
And the thing has been going since then.
Now, we have tried this experiment of just the lower ring of the bucket because we figured we could, boy, we'd like to have a lot of this stuff here.
Oh, of course.
You know, so, and sometimes we would go down there and we would get nothing.
Sometimes we would get melted.
Sometimes, you know, Uh, not melted, but realized, but every so often this process duplicates itself.
So we come up with the same thing, but it isn't like, you know, every time you, you throw, you know, you, you, you lower a bucket full of stuff there that it's going to happen every time.
It doesn't happen every single time.
A quarter of the time, an eighth of the time.
I'd say one out of three times, one out of three, one out of three.
And, and I don't, I don't know.
If it was the amount of time down there... Do you possess any of this yourself?
I took nothing with me, Art.
I would not... What is the word?
This is theirs for now.
Let's say for now, okay?
What about noise?
At any point, did it make any noise?
No.
During this process that we went through, it made No noise at all. It made no noise and we did not notice
anything from the surface.
Anything particularly unusual. Okay, at all. I mean, you know, it was just...
Were there any markings on this metal that were discernible?
In other words, anything marked or scratched in English or any other language?
Well, we went at it with a hacksaw blade.
You couldn't hacksaw it.
You couldn't even dent it?
No, just the metal itself, from what I can determine.
Normally, if you have a metal thing that's hollow, you could tap on it.
And you would hear that it's hollow.
Right.
But with this thing here, you know, if you're beating on it with a, you know, like a tire iron, it doesn't make any noise.
It doesn't, that doesn't give you a gauge as to whether it's hollow or not.
So it was absorbing, probably, all noise.
I mean, there would have to... Maybe just sucking it up.
Maybe it radiated into the ground.
I have no idea.
That's not my area of expertise.
All I know is what I could see with my own eyes.
And hopefully, by the end of tonight, maybe somebody will have some... Answer?
Yes.
What did the locals believe about this whole... Well, well... I mean, you literally just got back from Nevada, what, tonight or yesterday?
No, no, it was last week.
I got home the night that you did the show as the replay.
That's right, you told me, okay.
And so it was one of those, you know, as probably Richard Hoagland would say, one of those synchronous moments there where Well, you know, I mean, I'm talking to this guy, and he's talking to Mel Waters, you know, in the truck.
And then I hear myself, and it's like, hey!
I mean, it was just too much, and so I had to get in touch with him.
Okay, well, again, what did these locals, what was the lore that they told you about the hole?
Well, again, one of the older Basque men that I talked to, and this was practically as I was heading out of town, told me that it was a very To him, he felt it was a very spiritual place, but he knew from his youth that it was there exactly the way it is, and he was in his late 80s, so I'm assuming he's known it for 70 years.
So he's known it at least from the 30s, and from what he tells me, it's been there as long as the Basque had been in that part of the country, and that goes well into the 1800s.
It has existed like that.
To be honest, the Native Americans that I talked to were aware of it, but they did not want to deal with it.
They did not want to interact with it.
Is that a good word?
All they would do is pick some of the The various plants that I needed that were in the general vicinity of it because I wanted very specific ones that I had recommended and they knew of them.
Alright, are they now growing some of these plants in the vicinity of this hole?
Well, some of those plants are there.
They appear to be indigenous to the area so they did harvest some early on in the season there.
So then again, you saw similar vegetation around this hole?
To the one in Washington?
Well, that's why I asked them if they knew.
I described to them what it was and the shape of the things and the size of the various... And they said, oh yeah, we know that there.
But in terms of why the entree, I assume that the Native Americans knew about this all along there.
And I assume that they must have had some conversation with the Basque there.
Would this be okay?
Are you interested in this guy?
Blah, whatever.
And apparently there was no objection, so I have access to this property.
But I want to respect my access, okay?
What about an experiment, Mel, similar to the one you did in Washington, lowering some sort of line, or better yet, some sort of camera on the end of a line?
We didn't do that.
Between the Damascus and the Native Americans and me, we don't have too many nickels to rub together.
I will tell you what we did do.
One of the Basque, kind of a wise takers, he wanted to lower some marijuana into the hole and see if it would improve its smokability.
So then it would be a pothole, right?
Well, I guess it could be.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but he wanted to do that, and one guy wanted to be lowered into the hole himself.
Ah, well now, you see, in the hour preceding your appearance... I heard that.
Oh, did you?
Two people who would actually like to be lowered into such a hole.
That you believed in the powers of the whole in Washington to the degree that in the original agreement, now voided I suppose, you were to be, upon your death, buried by being dropped into the hole, right?
How I wanted my remains to be dealt with, yes.
Now that apparently is not going to happen, because of subsequent events.
Oh, I've got another place to go now.
Would you really want to be, I suppose, with some ceremony, dropped into the hole?
Hey, you know, just give me a decent... I don't know what it is when you put someone in a hole.
Is that interned or... I don't know what you'd call that.
Yeah, I don't know either.
But one of these guys wanted to go into... literally, he wanted to be lowered into the hole.
He wanted to be put in a...
A gondola or something and lower it from the winch into the hole and go down as far as we had line, which again was 1,500 feet.
I can assure you, Mel, we could get sponsors for you who would get you all the line you need.
Look, we talked them out of going into the hole because we said, look, see what it did to the ice?
That's a good point.
We set a bucket of ice down into this hole.
And it's sitting up there on the surface, burning.
I mean, what are you made out of, mostly?
Water.
What's going to happen to a human being down there?
What properties are going on over there?
The Basques, as a race, are fearless.
you know but i mean i mean that the best are uh... as a race
are fearless when the moors invaded
spain they refused to go on the best country what what what did
this man say his motivation was for wanting to go to the whole i'm
He was just a young, headstrong, probably late twenties, early thirties fellow that wanted to go.
And so he said, this is going to be a great adventure.
I want to go in here.
I want to see what's going on.
But he wasn't thinking with his brain.
Well, there are obviously a lot of people like that, Mel, because I had two of them in the first hour of the program, and they said they would love to be lowered into such a hole.
And this one, if anything, this one sounds more attractive.
Well, we determined to do, and I'm ashamed to admit it, is that we decided to lower a sheep.
Really?
To the hole.
We had a living sheep into the hole.
We had a crate the sheep could fit into that we could attach the cables to.
We were going to take the sheep, stick them in the crate, and lower them down to the 1,500 foot level.
That's all we had.
Like the ice.
Yeah, that's all we had.
We had enough line basically to go that far.
It was stout enough to handle.
I'm no sheep guy, but I could pick up a sheep, so it must weigh about 120, 150 pounds.
So I guess about the size of a small human, wouldn't you say?
I would, what, 150 pounds?
Yeah, for a sheep.
Yeah, I would say that's about the size.
I'm no sheep expert, but you know, if I had to say how much does that sheep look like, it would weigh about 150, 125 pounds.
Are you telling me you did this?
I'm telling you that we will first... Alright, alright, I'll tell you what.
Don't say a word.
Good place to hang everybody up.
Be sure they're here next hour.
Did he really lower a sheep 1,500 feet into the endless hole?
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Mondays can be pretty strange.
Tuesdays, obviously, as well, and Wednesday mornings, early, definitely.
My guest is Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame, and now we've got a new hole, and this one's Really something.
And something about a sheep coming up in a moment.
All right, just about to get back to Mel Waters.
And he had brought up the subject of a sheep, which apparently they were considering lowering 1,500 feet into the hole now.
We were having fun last week with Mel's Hole, talking about it a little bit.
We knew he was going to be on.
And somebody said, well, why not toss a cat down Mel's Hole and see what happens?
Now, of course, you know, I'm a cat lover, and so this is not cruelty, because nobody is seriously suggesting tossing a cat down Mel's hole, but some very creative person with a sound blaster and some talent and a little manipulation created what it would sound like if A cat were to be tossed into Mel's hole.
It's meant, obviously, as pure comedy.
This is not actually a cat being tossed into Bell's hole, but here is the way he represented it would sound.
Cat being tossed into Bell's hole.
It's the second one that gets me, not the first one.
The first one is pretty good as you hear the sort of the echo of the cat disappearing down the hall.
It's the second little one.
There he goes.
That was what somebody thought it would sound like, Mel.
Oh my goodness.
So, you decided that you would lower a sheep 1,500 feet down as low as the ice had gone into the hole.
Well, we had decided that we were going to take the sheep and put them in a crate and lower them into the hole.
We let the sheep to the hole and it just started freaking out.
Like every other animal.
Yes, but I mean it was like Totally, totally.
Not happy?
Not happy.
And you know, I have a lot of respect for animals and it's amazing what animals really know and what they sense.
Well, you're right about that.
And so if it was terrified... It was terrified, so the bass got the sheep away from the hole.
And again, a lot of what I'm going to say now I am thoroughly ashamed of.
That's alright, just give us the raw truth.
He basically stunned the sheep by knocking it between the eyes.
Got into the crate, got the cable and line hooked up to it so it was all securely attached.
Just about when we got to the hole, the sheep just started making horrible noises.
So he stunted but he didn't kill the sheep, okay?
He just knocked it out.
Yeah.
So it was live when it went in the box and then it stirred when it got to the hole.
Yeah.
Anyway, it was just making the worst god awful noises.
We were getting it about ready to let it go into the hole.
Even though it had been hit in the head?
It stirred by the time we got it crated up into the crate.
There was enough room for it to lie down and I guess if it wanted to it could stand up.
I don't know.
Again, this is not pleasant to talk about.
We take the sheep and it's screaming and just the most piercing, horrible ghastly noises coming out of this crate
until we get it right over where we're going to let it into the hole and then
everything just stops dead silent
there's not a sound coming out of that box there's movement coming out of the box you can still tell
but no sound there's no sound anymore well there's something about this hole
and sound isn't there uh...
i guess we will make that assumption and uh...
so we started winching this
sheep down into the hole and uh...
you could feel from the line as we're lowering it
thing is struggling uh...
I don't know if it's screaming down there, but we're not hearing this thing screaming, and I think we got about halfway down into the hole, and it was about to say 700 feet, and then any movement that might have been coming from the Great.
We couldn't feel it anymore.
No.
No.
We couldn't feel anything.
So I don't know at 700 feet or so, about half the line, what happened over there.
When we got to, at this point here, the original experiment with the ice, you know, we were kind of nonchalant about it.
You know, we just kind of lower it down there.
Well, with this one here, we were all gathered around the top of the hole there, looking and seeing what's going on.
Very apprehensive.
You know, this is a serious business here.
When we hit the bottom, we felt, up there, we felt like a vibration on the collar at a point in time when it was down there.
It's kind of hard to describe.
What do you mean when you hit the bottom?
When we hit the bottom of the rope, the cable line assembly that we had.
You mean when it was on the way playing out?
Yeah, when it got there.
And it vibrated, or it felt like a vibration, and sort of like a static-y, electricity-type kind of feeling.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
That we could feel up there.
Yeah.
And so we got it down to, you know, 1,500 feet, and we left it there for about a half an hour.
And then we decided to, you know, bring it back up.
Right, sure.
So, you know, we're hoisting this thing up here, cranking away, getting this thing up on there.
And it's kind of a job.
So, you know, we finally get up to the surface and we got the box out of there.
And, you know, the one thing we noticed is there isn't any movement in the box.
Okay?
No.
There's no box.
We got the box there.
But the box from the outside looked pretty normal.
You know, it didn't look like Some weird transformation that occurred or anything.
Right.
I wanted to describe to you, I'll tell you about the ice that came up that didn't melt.
Right.
What it felt like.
You get a lot of electronic equipment and you get those do not eat packets.
Oh, yes.
The desiccant.
Yes.
Ever take the desiccant out of the packet?
No, never.
Well, if you take it out there and you feel the desiccant between your fingers, that's kind of what it felt like.
That's the best thing I could describe it.
I had that sort of You try it someday.
I've always just thrown those away.
Well, you don't eat them, obviously.
No, no, no.
It just struck me there.
I'm trying to describe this thing in the detail that I can, so I just went back to the desiccant.
We open up the crate and the sheep is dead.
It looks like a sheep.
It looks like a normal sheep over there.
And it's dead?
It's dead.
There's no sign of life.
You know, you poke at it, there's nothing going on with this sheep here.
He's dead.
Well, I'm saying here, but that's a generic he.
And I don't know from sheep, okay?
Show me a sheep, I can't tell what it is.
Gotcha.
Me neither.
Okay.
But we take it out of the box, and the one of the best lays it on the table that we have over there, and he is going to dissect the sheep.
Now on the outside, the sheep looked just fine.
You know, the hair, the wool, whatever a sheep has looks fine.
It looked like, we said, that the sheep looked like how he looked when we sent him into the hole.
Minus a bump on the head, yeah.
Well, yeah.
And he stirred from that.
But he started cutting into the sheep, and it looked like the sheep had been cooked.
It was, the flesh was hot underneath, you know, when he started cutting through the sheep here, it looked like the sheep had been cooked.
Oh my!
Now these Basque guys, they're pretty good at butchering a sheep there, and they know their way around a sheep, and so they pretty much can butcher, and they know what to expect when you open up a sheep.
Right.
You know, so, you know, we got the sheep on this table that we, you know, just eat that, You know this guy is cutting the sheep open here and he gets it so he can look inside and see the internal organs like he's going to eviscerate the sheep.
Right.
Except they're not what we expected.
What do you mean?
It looks like there was gel in the cavity there and something that looked like this huge tumor.
And almost taking up the entire length of the body cavity.
Oh, no.
It's pretty hideous.
Oh, God.
I'm getting kind of sick about this thing, too, but I was getting kind of sick when I was there, so I wasn't as close to all of this as I would want to be if I was a scientific observer.
But there's this huge tumor taking up most of the Where the internal organs would be, the heart, the lungs, whatever parts a sheep comes with, they weren't there.
And what are these Basque guys who are doing this saying at this point?
Well, some of them are muttering plenty of expletives over here.
They're freaked out there.
I remember saying, see, I told you, you didn't want to go into that hole.
Yeah, that's right.
And the two guys who volunteered my first hour are probably rethinking it right now, too.
Well, if they want to collect on some life insurance, fine, go for it.
That's what one of them said, yeah.
Anyway, so we've got this gel, and the guy's good with a knife here, and he kind of is able to get the tumor out of this thing here.
Yeah?
As I say, it's about as big as the sheep's calves.
I don't know, two feet?
In other words, the tumor was almost taking up the entire inside of the... Okay, so you got this tumor, and we could detect, we could see that the tumor had some movement to it.
What?
Yes, it had movement to it, and I'm going to describe it like a heart beating.
There's not a beating of a heart, just like a pulsing from this tumor.
A pulsing tumor.
Oh my God, Mel.
So we get to the point where we got this tumor out there and he's working on trying to cut it open.
It's really a tough thing to cut into, but he was finally able to get into it.
Yeah.
And boy, I'm going to tell you here, he opens it up there and inside this tumor, Is what it appeared to be a fetal seal.
Like, you know, like... A fetal what?
Seal.
Like a pinniped.
A thing that lives in the ocean and balances balls on its nose.
Yes.
It's about 18 inches long.
You know, it's got the flippers on it.
And it looks like a little seal.
It looks just like your, basically, your little seal.
Except it had...
I don't know, I don't want people to freak out, but it had what looked to me like human eyes.
Like, you know, a human being?
I mean, you know what cat eyes look like?
You know what dog eyes look like?
I don't know what seal eyes look like, but I know what human eyes look like.
Sure you do.
And this thing looks like it had human eyes.
And the thing was alive, but it was connected to the tumor, like with this umbilical cord.
Holy mackerel, Mel!
And we could see the seal moving his eyes, and it was... I'm calling it a seal, okay, but I have no idea what the heck this thing is, okay?
I'm calling it a seal.
But it's opening his eyes, it's closing his... the flippers are moving, it's still... in... connected to its tumor there.
Um... And then...
We noticed, and I noticed, that it seemed to be studying us.
It seemed to be looking at us.
That was the feeling I got.
It seemed to be regarding us while we were looking at it.
So that's the feeling I got off of this seal.
And then, this thing separated from the tumor without our assistance.
We thought, well, maybe we will cut this thing free. Right there on the table.
It moved about a little on the table. So we are all standing back at that point
because this thing is loose. I would be way back.
We are watching this seal and again that is the only way I can describe it because it
looked like a seal to me. And then I felt, well I just felt I was in
the presence of something extraordinary, something beyond extraordinary, something like, I don�t
I'm not a religious man, but it felt...
In that category of having a religious thing there, this was just such a stunning thing to witness.
Well, something that far from our understanding would appear to be magic or religion or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure.
Yeah, so what did, what in God's name happened to this thing?
Well, we left it there and it began to, you know, it just kind of looked at us there and, you know, one of the Basques suggested we kill it, you know, and just kind of club it, unfortunately.
Is that what they did?
No, basically cooler heads prevailed.
The thing was moving around on a table and it finally moved to the edge of the table.
It was kind of like struggling, but it got to the edge of the table and it looked like it was going to fall off.
So I go up to it at this point because I'm just out of my head with I don't know what.
I'm in the presence of.
It looked directly at me when I got up to it.
And it seemed, you know, it just seemed to have a contact with me.
And I got this compelling feeling to pick it up and place it on the ground.
And I did that.
I took this thing and I put it on the ground by the table.
Yeah?
My hands were slimy from this, the seal.
Because it had like this goo that was not only in the cavity, But also inside the tumor.
And I'm just calling it a tumor because I have no vocabulary for this.
Right.
And I just moved my hands past my face before I decided to wipe them off on the rag at the table there.
Right.
And it smelled like ozone.
Like ozone?
Like ozone.
Of course I do, yes.
That's what it smelled like.
Because I thought it would be some sort of weird, organic-y smell.
Yeah.
You know, some sort of like disgusting, you know, I just thought it would smell disgusting.
It smelled like ozone.
Okay.
So this thing is lying on the ground and we're all looking at this thing here and it's like looking at each of us in turn.
In other words, intelligently.
Yes.
Yes.
We must have been there just absolutely transfixed by this, I'll call it a creature now, for like two hours.
And what was it doing during those two hours?
Studying each one of us.
It wasn't moving around that much?
Just its head.
Because we had gathered, this is cowardly, but a safe distance away from it, but not too safe, you know.
So we could easily see it and it could easily see us.
Because at this point here, even the bravest mask were like, you know, kind of freaked out.
I'd have been long gone, Mel.
Well, again, the blasts are great.
All right, well, hold it right there, Mel.
Here is this thing on the ground now.
I'm moving around much, but carefully studying each and every one of them who have by now retreated to a safe distance.
That's where we'll pick up when we get back.
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If you give this man a ride, sweet lamb, he will die.
Kill her on the road.
Yeah.
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Well, I knew that Mel had found another hole, but I didn't know anything about all of this.
This is incredible.
Pretty freaky stuff.
A number of questions for Mel.
We'll try and get to the phones in this last half hour.
Everybody stay right where you are.
I'm Art Bell.
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Once again, Mel Waters.
So here's this thing staring at each and every one of you, examining you, obviously intelligent in some way, and...
It looks like a seal, not like a sheep at all.
Not like a sheep.
So, that came out of this God forsaken tumor that was in this thing.
What did you, what happened?
Well, you know, I got this seal and he's, you know, he's kind of grinding waddles around a little bit in the direction of the hole and he's just sort of watching us some more and we're sort of Kind of at a safe distance, but we kind of encroach upon a little bit there.
I'm telling Basquiat, you're the big, brave Basquiat.
Don't be afraid of this thing here.
I'm just an ordinary old guy here.
We did.
We went up to it there and it just looked at us here.
The look that it was giving us was, the only way I can describe it, it was like the most compassionate look that I'd ever seen from any face.
It just, the way the eyes were looking and feeling this, and so some amount of time elapsed and the little feel there starts to waddle again towards the hole and I get this feeling that it wants to go up on the ledge, on the collar.
Right.
So I pick it up in my hands and I set it right there on there.
It moves around a little bit.
At this point, we're pretty comfortable with this thing.
I am.
And my comrades there are pretty comfortable with it.
I mean, we're not like freaked out anymore like we were.
And maybe it's just, you know, we're over the shock or maybe we are in shock.
But that look that was giving us, it didn't seem like it evil.
I'm sure you were in some state of shock.
Yeah.
So it's up there and then it moves around.
I don't know how, maybe an hour he's on the, uh, he, it is on the collar.
It looks at us.
It actually nodded at us.
It made like a slow nod.
They turned around and went back into the hole.
At this point we were close to it.
So we watched him go all the way.
down as far as we could see. We didn't have high powered lights or anything. So no sound,
nothing like that. Into the hole and that was it. Into the hole. And so we were all
just moved, just drained. I'm drained telling you this Art because it is such an enormous
thing to go through. Do you realize it sounds like an unbelievable tale from Alien or something?
Well I don't know what it sounds like. My own experience is that it's a very, very
All I can do now is to relay it and then try to stand back from it.
Alright, question for you Mel.
Does anybody have any photographs of this hole?
I went up there from the natives to the hole.
I basically camped At that property, I didn't come and go.
No one came and go.
We had what we had over there.
And so we didn't bring photographs.
Personally, I thought to myself, look, this would be great.
We'd get this all on film, on video, whatever.
But I did not want to encroach upon what they had.
And if they came to me and said, Look, Mel, why don't we go to town, go home, get our stuff and try to video... Fine, I would have said that, but I was not going to broach the subject with them.
To me, it was an enormous privilege to go where I'd gone at that point.
Are you likely to go back to the hole?
Yes.
You're going to?
I will.
I will let you know that we At first we thought we would bury the sheep's carcass and the tumor.
We still had that.
We decided it was just best to take the whole thing and put everything back into the hole where it all came from.
So we just let it be.
We had a tarp.
We just let it be. We had a tarp on the... We just dumped the whole...
everything back into the hole where it came from.
I didn't know what else to do.
Again, we thought about burying it and it just didn't, I don't know, it just didn't seem right.
So that's what we did.
I want to tell you something that is, I believe, related to this experience and that is prior to going to Nevada.
This was in late August.
I was diagnosed with a particularly lethal form of esophageal cancer.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
This was a six, you know, like the kind that you have six months to live.
But, you know, they're just telling you that, you know, that there's, you know, like nothing they can do about it.
But it was very fast, fast, fast growing.
And one of the reasons I came back here was to see the same doctor because I started feeling a
lot better.
My last examination with the doctor finds me cancer free.
I can't explain it.
Then you could document this, right?
Yes, because they had whatever stuff diagnosing the cancer and I went back to the doctor and
they could find no evidence of any cancer.
Is it your feeling that your proximity to the hole or something about the hole changed this?
I think it was the seal.
The seal?
I think it was the seal.
The seal?
I describe this thing as this huge tumor.
And that's what I had.
But I described it as a tumor because that was the only vocabulary I had to describe it with.
Gotcha.
And I handled this.
Well, that's right, you did.
And I smelled the ozone from it and it just, the look that it gave me, there was something going on.
I didn't, I can't say, look, I was communing with a seal and I was, you know, Had this conversation with this seal.
No, I can't say that.
But what I can say is that I had this feeling of such incredible compassion from this seal that ultimately went back into the hole.
And what was the conversation like after all this was over, Mel, between the Basques and the Native Americans and yourself?
First of all, the best that I was with, they were young guys, okay, and I think before this kind of your kind of shipless sort of characters, you know, partiers and all of that, and they were like just profoundly moved.
I mean, they were just, had stuff going on in their mind after that that, you know, they had been to another place, another time, another anything.
Their reality had been all changed.
I had the opportunity before I left Nevada to speak right before I left.
I went back into civilization and spoke with a Basque elder.
This was the elderly fellow that I was referring to that told me some of the history of that.
He remembered it from being a young man and he described it to me and all of this stuff And his thing was he himself would go there to that area for spiritual connection, that there was something very spiritual, very primal that was going on.
He was a tough guy to talk to in some ways because he was more schooled in Basque than he was in English, but he got English out enough for me to understand. We talked actually a great length about the
meaning of this. We did have some of the Native American people that I worked with at that
particular thing. This was kind of like a party sort of atmosphere out there. We were
drinking what they like to drink and eating good fast food and all of that. It was a good
experience there to kind of decompress from all of this.
But he could not relate to me any experience like what we had, except he knew.
He almost expected what it was that I was telling him.
He just totally, firmly, completely believed what it was that I was telling him.
There was no surprise to him at all in this thing here.
I've got this really old bass guy there.
He's just taking all this in stride and nodding.
So he knows there's something enormous, of great enormity there.
My goal is to go back.
I have agreed to work with the people I was working with, with the herbs, and live amongst them and spend some time with Well, at this point, I don't know what we're going to do.
I come back, I'm overjoyed that I'm cancer free.
are you going to do anything else with the whole itself with the one in nevada yes
at this point i don't know what we're going to let you know i come back i'm
you know i'm i'm overjoyed that i'm cancer free uh... i felt i felt so good after that experience that i
knew something happened to my body so i uh... was glad to get back
and and have it confirmed that the doctor said yes But I do plan to go back.
I do plan to study it.
I hope to be a better human being about this and not send innocent animals into it or what have you.
To me, I still can't believe that I allowed that to happen, but I did.
Well, I appreciate your telling the story straight out this way.
That's the only way to do it.
That's the only way to do it.
I've got to tell you, I'm not selling a book.
Obviously.
I don't have a newsletter.
There are no Mel's Hole t-shirts.
Mel's Well, nothing that I have done.
There are no Mel's Whole Diaper Pails or anything like that.
Mel's Whole Diaper Pail?
Who thought that one up?
Well, they will commercialize everything in the world and I have no part of this.
This has been just an extraordinary ride for me.
It's been like nothing I could have ever imagined in anyone's life.
To go where I've been, to be where I was, to go up, to go down, to be in the presence of such an amazing thing.
And my only goal is to leave a permanent record of what happened.
Well, how closely are you willing to identify the location of this new home?
Well, just northern Nevada?
I'm going to put it there.
I don't want the tribal people up there to be overwhelmed by people rushing out of Reno to get up there and do all of that.
I am going to go back.
Do you think you could politely approach the Basque and Without identifying the specific area, get photographs.
If I feel comfortable, I will do that.
I will also, at this point, and I just have a little bit of what I have that happened in my Nevada experience left, but I know we're running out of time, is that anyone that can help me understand some of these things, If they can send an e-mail to me, I'd appreciate it.
Alright.
You have an e-mail address, right?
Yeah.
This is Mel Waters.
Right.
At.
A-T-T.
B-I.
That's like, all a-glue.
B-I.
That's Mel Waters at ATTBI.com.
That's Tom Tom, B as in boy, I as in India.
ATTBI.com, right?
Right.
Mel Waters at ATTBI.com.
What is it you want?
I cannot promise to maintain a dialogue with people, but there are other people out there
that have had any type of understanding of this that can make some sense to me, that
I'm going to listen with fascination to your program on the Hollow Earth business.
Yes.
Because that's something I don't know about, but I sure like to know.
Well, there may be a relationship, obviously.
And so, that I'm going to look at.
But I mean, what do you want in email?
Do you want some support?
You're going to get media contacts?
What I really want is the people that have Good, serious opinions about this that understand from this that I described a lot of things that occurred.
I don't understand any of them.
I only described them.
I mean, going back to what I started with talking about Ellensburg and bringing it up to today.
Yeah, well, I get it.
You want somebody who might understand all of this.
You know, may have been studying these types of matters that have had theories, whatever.
That's good.
But I'm going to be away from civilization for a good part of time, so it's going to be difficult.
Because I'm going to be going back probably mid-March, mid-February, mid-March, somewhere in that timeline.
And then I'm going to go up there for a period of time.
I'll probably give you another contact when I get back to some sort of civilization, probably from Nevada.
But I probably will get in touch with you again.
Okay, by all means, Mel, please, try and see if they will allow you, I mean, without identifying the area, just to get some kind of... You just want like a photo?
Some kind of photographic evidence, yeah.
Now I'm going to be afraid that people are going to be scouring that terror server now that I get that out there.
Well, they probably will.
I want to bring...
The final thing, because we were talking about the Basque elder that I was talking to, and it was a very profound experience for me to talk with him.
Though he was not that much older than me, I felt that he was a great deal older than me.
Wiser?
Beyond that.
So I know I can respect that, but we were sitting there and talking well into the night, drinking that good Basque drink that they like to drink and all that good stuff.
Yes.
And he got tired and he was going to retire for the night and he took my hand, you know, to clasp it.
And in my hand, he put something in my hand when we were leaving, when he was leaving.
Yes.
And he closed my hand.
Yes.
And he just told me, put that away.
So he says, put that away.
So I just like, you know, put it in my pocket and sat around talking with his family.
And, uh, someone said, aren't you going to look at what, you know, the great-great-grandfather gave you?
Uh-huh.
And I says, oh, okay.
And so I take it out of my pocket, and it's a 1943 Roosevelt dime.
They told me he had found a similar packet of Roosevelt dimes.
Oh, my God.
Up there in Nevada.
Chinese red envelope.
And they said, and I said to them, I said, you know how valuable this thing is?
I said, you know what this would sell at a coin auction?
They said, no, you have to have it.
You need to have this.
Do you have it now?
I have it.
It's in my hand as we speak.
How about a photograph of that, Mel?
If I can scan a 1943 dime, you will have it.
Or you've got somebody who's got a really good quality digital camera, go to the macro setting, and take a very close photograph of it.
Can you do that?
I will do everything I can to do that.
You know my email address, right?
Yes, we can do that.
But that's what he left me with.
And he said to me that it was very, very, very important.
Or they told me, because they finished the rest of it.
Tell me, this is something I had to have.
Now, I hadn't told him anything.
In fact, outside the fellow in Ellensburg, no one else knew about the dimes and the red envelope.
But he found one out there, and he had it for years.
I think he had it since the 40s, to be honest with you.
Late 1940, no, 1943.
Mel, all I can tell you is we are out of time.
This was one hell of a story.
I'm drenched.
You know, I can tell.
I can hear it in your voice.
Mel, thank you for being here tonight.
Thanks for catching us up on what was and what is.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Take care, my friend, and I really mean take care.
I will.
Good night.
Good night, Art.
Yikes.
Alright, from the high desert, I have no further comment.
I'm Art Bell.
Ta-ta!
Continuing the story of Mel and Mel's Hole from just last Friday, December 20th, here
is Art and Mel Waters on the best of Post Coast AM.
you From the high desert in the great American Southwest, good evening.
The moon out there is full, the night's still and cold, and it's going to be a very interesting program, and so I suggest you strap in, turn up the radio, and get ready.
Coming up in a moment, a surprise visit from Mel Waters.
That would be Mel of Mel's Hole fame.
A lot of people said he was dead.
Recently I've had some communication from people who thought he was dead.
Well, he's not dead.
He's here tonight and he's going to fill you in on, you know, kind of what's happened since.
Coming right up.
Here from an undisclosed location, unless he wishes to disclose it, is Mel Waters.
Mel, welcome to the program.
Well, hello there, Art Bell.
Hi.
Welcome back to the program, as more like it.
Well, thank you.
I'll say as I'm in my nephew's apartment.
Okay.
That'll do.
Okay.
All right, Mel.
What we need is an update, if you have one, to Washington.
An update, of course, on the whole here in my state, Nevada.
Okay.
First of all, I'm not dead.
That's a good thing, Mel.
And I did have a very, very, very close brush with death back around Memorial Day.
Maybe that's where people got it.
But I am doing well, and I'm not yet ready to eat the big green wiener yet.
Anyway, yes, I do want to bring people up to date and let them know how things are going.
All right, good.
Where to begin?
Well, I'm going to talk to you about kind of where we left off in Nevada.
Is it Nevada or Nevada?
Well, I say Nevada.
I wonder about that sometimes.
Just try either one.
We'll answer to it.
Anyway, the one in your state here, right?
I told you that we had lowered a bucket of ice into the hole there in your state.
You don't want to tell us any more about where the hole is?
I think that might end up coming out here, or I think people will be able to discern where it is in your state.
I think a lot of people have got a very good idea, and I'm going to tell you that the location where the hole is at has been under helicopter surveillance.
I don't mean constantly, like 24 hours a day, but there have been flyovers of that area.
frequently, weekly, frequently. But there's been no contact with the
Basque that are there, that are encamped around there. That's pretty odd considering
the military cordon that was thrown around the hole in Washington. Well, yeah,
that is, and I've yet to discern how they were able to mobilize so
quickly on that.
That's still a great mystery for me.
Nevertheless, you said you were reminding us of a bucket of ice.
Yes, but one thing, when I said they have had flyovers of the hole there in your state, I was told something very interesting, and that is that from certain approaches to where the area that they're in, you can see the encampment of people, you can see the basket if you're standing there, say on the hillside, but you cannot see the flange around the hole.
I told you that with this hole, there was like a metal collar, a flange around it.
You cannot see that from a certain distance.
You can see everything else.
The flange is huge.
It's a very large metallic structure, you know, that provides like a collar for this thing.
Mel, your opinion.
Yeah.
Does this hole go down somewhere near the center of the earth?
I mean, how far?
I, I, well, of course, you know, people know what my experience with it was lowering all that fishing line into it.
And I have, I'm absolutely certain that I got 80,000 feet of line into it, which is, I don't know, 15 miles or so of line.
I mean, that's a crazy thing to do, but I did.
I'm just one of those people that are determined to get to the bottom of things.
Only you never did get to the bottom.
No, no, no.
When I was at that level, that was my first contact with you.
When I reached that point there, that's when I said, I'd better reveal what I'm doing to the audience to find out what am I dealing with.
And so this whole thing started.
Well, let me tell you about what had occurred.
You know, we lowered that bucket of ice.
We pulled it up there.
We had a bucket of ice up there at the surface.
That bucket of ice at the surface had melted completely.
We brought up the bucket of ice from a depth of, I believe it was 1,000 feet.
We lowered it down 1,000 feet.
We brought it up.
The ice was unmelted.
So we stuck it on the campfire there in the metal bucket to see if we could melt it.
Well, the thing caught fire, as I said.
The ice caught fire?
The ice caught fire.
It was burning.
And it was kind of a strange fire, but it generated heat.
I don't know.
I stood to this... Well, I might be getting ahead of myself, but it must have been some sort of chemical reaction.
Somehow the water was changed.
We actually touched the ice, you know, and it felt...
Uh, like ice, but not cold.
And when we came, that's when we took it, you know, before we set it on fire.
Like ice, but not cold.
Right.
I mean, it wasn't cold, and so what was going on here?
So we, you know, we lowered it, we put it in the bucket.
Well, I told you that it caught fire, and eventually one of these fast fellows took the bucket of ice, set it in the back of his pickup truck, drove off and took it home and stuck it inside of his wood stove.
Uh, did, um, had the ice been put out?
No, no, no.
It was just kind of, you know... Well, I mean, he had it in his vehicle, wasn't it?
He just had it in the back of his pickup truck.
You're trying to tell me it was burning while it was in there?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he wanted to take it home and put it in his wood stove and see if it would keep him warm.
Are you in any way familiar with the Basque in general, or specific, or just kind of heard of them?
Well, no, of course I've heard of them, but I mean, no.
The Basque are very well known in your state.
In fact, the university up there in Nevada, at Reno, has a huge section on the Basque.
I bet, yeah.
So, he took it home.
It's not that weird.
I mean, it was burning.
Yeah, and he... Ice burning is weird.
Yes, yes, and he just, he took this home and set it in his wood stove and it kept him toasty warm throughout the winter.
Throughout the winter?
Throughout the winter and for... You're telling me there's one piece of ice burned?
Well, it was, what we did is in this bucket, metal bucket, we stuck in a bag of like 7-Eleven ice, you know, the kind that you buy at the store, you know, ice cubes.
Yes.
That's what it was.
That's what we put in there.
Nothing else.
Just a metal bucket, lowered down into this hole.
We get it and we stick it on a fire and it's burning.
Okay, so anyway, this has been going on for quite some time, and you know, he sets it in his wood stove, keeps it warm, and I imagine that today it'd still be burning, or is burning, I have no... The last you heard, it was still going?
Well, you know, we're going to go to probably what Paul Harvey says the rest of the story here, because this is what I've been told.
Alright.
He says, you know when you have a wood stove, You generally will put a kettle on top of that wood stove
to have hot water for coffee and to humidify the air.
Sure, whatever.
It dries out the air terribly.
This masked fellow did just that there and you noticed there that the air was really,
really dry.
He was always thirsty and his skin was flaking.
I don't know, he must have been living in humidity lower than what you face out there
in the desert.
He's got this kettle up on top there trying to humidify the air.
One night he notices that, I don't know, it might have been the angle of the light or
just whatever it was, but the steam from the kettle looked like it was being absorbed into
the stove.
And we're not saying, like, through the vents or, you know, through the door or whatever.
Wait a minute.
The steam from the kettle, which would have been going up It would be coming back down and then absorbed by the stove, right?
It was like dispersing and then coming around and just like... I guess the word to describe it is lingering around, but it looked like it was being absorbed by the stove.
I think that's the best picture.
Now that's weird.
That is strange.
Of course, this is already really weird.
We've got ice that's burning eternally so far.
And then, and that's, I can picture it.
Okay, so I mean, I want to be able to, because this is what I've been told, but I have absolute belief in, you know, the person that told me this, and, and, and, you know, that this goes on.
Anyway, you know, the stove is out there, and it's producing heat, and this guy is real happy, and even though he's like real thirsty and really dry, you know, and then one day the, this guy comes home, you know, he goes out and does his thing, and comes home, and he notices that the stove had crashed through the hearth and through the floorboards
of his cabin.
What?
It just like, phew, went right down.
Um...
It just broke, I mean, you know, it was kind of a flimsy cabin, you know,
but it was able to support the weight of his wood stove and his, uh...
So now the stove with his eternally burning ice is now through the floor?
It's in the ground.
It's actually in on like the dirt maybe.
It fell like about a foot into the ground at that point.
I wonder if this thing is going back from once it came?
Well, that's what I want to know and we're going to continue along with this here.
But anyway, the stove is sitting down there.
Now this guy, you know, sometimes I wonder about these guys, but you know, he's not too bright.
So what he does is He patches up the stovepipe.
Yeah.
And so it connects to, you know, the chimney where, you know, the flue, all that stuff there.
Yeah.
And, you know, he's kind of living in this cabin with this, you know, stove.
You mean he's still using the stove?
Yeah.
He just extended the pipe?
Yes, that's exactly what he did.
You know, he just kind of lowered it down there.
And as far as I could tell, though, it doesn't give off any gas or any Uh, no smoke or anything.
He made no attempts to bring it back up to fix the floor and do it right, huh?
No.
No, he didn't.
Uh, you know, he continues to live with it, you know, and basically, uh, about, I don't know, a week, maybe two weeks later, he comes home.
And the entire cabin has collapsed.
What?
Around, the whole thing.
The whole thing?
Everything has collapsed around it.
In fact, all there is around the side of the cabin Is piles of wood dust.
Wood dust.
So in other words, his cabin disintegrated.
It basically looked like all of the moisture that was in the wood had been sucked out of it completely to the point that it could no longer exist as wood.
Wow.
Now this is pretty interesting because so far it's pretty consistent.
That's for sure.
This thing Reabsorbed its own moisture.
It absorbed so much moisture, this man had terrible skin troubles.
Still, he kept it going.
And now, he absorbed, it absorbed all, I get it, all the moisture out of the wood.
He had wood furniture in there, you know, his bed, chair, whatever.
Yep.
Wood dust.
You know, you could see the different colors of wood dust.
And at that point, he abandons the cabin, gets the heck out of there.
Understood.
He says, hey, enough is enough.
So he moves in with one of his brothers.
Yes.
And they were over there and about a month later he goes back to the cabin to show it to his brothers and they find that the stove had sunk to like five feet into the ground.
This thing's on its way.
It's five feet into the ground and it is still generating heat.
And still going.
And you know at that point all the dust had blown away and you know you got a few nails around there and what you have is a rectangular hole Just a little bit bigger than a stove. So can you imagine a
brick, you know a rectangular wood stove?
Sinking into the ground leaving his imprint and there's a little bit of room around it by not a lot
And he described that the hole that it made Was also like really really really really smooth all around
it You think of a hole in dirt.
Like it's burning its way through.
Like it's melted into some sort of glassy type.
Maybe it's doing the same thing and it's taking away all the moisture in the soil below it as it goes.
This is the point where the basketball contacts me.
And they have a way of getting a hold of me.
I say something that I probably shouldn't say on the air.
Something like Holy Smokes?
Well, yeah, that would be it.
Holy Smokes.
Then I did something which I thought I would never do and that is I contacted one of the people that were my contacts when I was in Australia.
I had a number and I described the situation to this guy here and he pretty much said the same thing that I said, Holy Smokes.
He tells me it's, like, really important that I tell them where the cabin was.
Of course.
And how to get to it.
Well, I mean, after all, Mel, this is, before it disappears from sight into a creation of a new hole, this is something that could be immediately researched.
Well, so, I talked to the Baskin, and all the land that I'm talking about is on public land.
You know, so the cabin, you know, the guy's like a squatter out there, you know, out in the boondocks.
He's got a shack that, you know, if it burned down, he wouldn't care about it.
He'd just put up another one, you know, a couple feet away.
Gotcha.
But he decides, okay, well, there's no way to really trace me, you know, two years, so I'm not going to get in any trouble.
So we say, okay, you know, I'll get back with this guy here.
This is exactly where to find it, you know, tell him how to get there.
And so at that point, there's a team dispatched to the site of the former cabin.
A team?
A team of people show up there.
Way to go!
And now this guy, this bass fellow there, he's got a nice vantage point.
He knows all the land around there.
He knows where he can sit out there and squat and look around.
So he's got a pretty good view of where his cabin used to be.
So he's out there, you know, watching what's going on.
Yes.
Now he said he wasn't sure if they were military guys or what kind of guys they were.
I would imagine that some of them had to be scientists.
of some sort.
And they're out there for a while and shortly after that there's like a bunch of heavy duty
construction equipment, cranes and things that are brought out there.
Here we go.
Yeah.
And this is like big, big stuff.
Super super big stuff.
But he's up there and he's watching this and the people down there at the cabin are really
like struggling to get the stove out of the ground.
Yeah.
And at that point I assumed that it sunk even deeper than it, you know, than it was.
And that last time he said it was about like five feet deep.
So this thing was pretty, pretty deep out there.
They keep on bringing it in heavier and heavier and heavier equipment, bigger cranes.
They bring in multiple cranes.
They're still, I guess, not able to get a purchase on this thing to lift it out.
And Mel, I wonder if this is the way the holes got made in the first place.
Again, I do not know what, you know, what the mechanism here is.
So far, what you've described sounds like it's making a new hole.
Well, from that standpoint, it sure as heck does.
I mean, you know, obviously this thing is sinking deeper and deeper into the ground.
And they are, you know, it's like a total, you know, they're totally baffled with how to get this thing out here.
When they're trying to bring it up there that they're breaking off pieces of the stove because you know it's made out of cast iron or whatever it must be busting up there that the thing was really heavy.
Well eventually what they do is they drop some chains into the ground and then they pour some water in there into the ground.
Yeah.
And I don't know if this is what happened but this is what I assumed happened is somehow The water and the chains and the metal all could jeal together.
You know, kind of like, held fast like glue to the structure and everything that was in the hole.
Eventually they were able to get this thing out of the ground and hoist it up, and they were using more than one crane at this point.
Now, I don't know a lot about cranes, but usually they could pick up a lot of stuff.
They had several cranes working on getting this thing out, so it must have weighed some huge amount.
Fascinating.
Okay, so the weight alone would have broken it through the floor.
Wouldn't have dug the hole, though.
Oh, isn't that fascinating?
So they finally get this thing out of the ground using multiple cranes.
The biggest ones they can get is this guy's.
These things were like monster cranes.
They get it up and they load it onto the biggest truck this guy had ever seen in his life.
I mean, this was bigger than big and they haul that thing away.
It is like gone, you know, there's over there, you know, and so they just took the, uh, Uh, the stove away.
I don't know if he got a good look to see what the stove looked like, but they loaded whatever was in there, detached the chains from the hooks and stuff, and trucked this thing off.
All of this, in essence, just to get this burning ice, really?
That's what they got.
But this guy here, as soon as I talked to him, he knew something was going down, and something had gotten, well, my impression was it had gotten, like, out of control.
And all of this just from something you lowered into the hole here in Nevada.
That is correct.
Aye, aye, aye.
All right.
Hold on.
Hold it right where you are, Mel.
We're going to break here.
We'll be right back.
Current circumstances of the world considered.
You should listen to the words of this song.
Cause it's dead right.
From the high desert.
I'm with Mel Waters and I'm Art Bell.
It's gonna take a lot of love to change the way things are.
It's gonna take a lot of love and we won't get too far.
So if you look in my direction and we don't see eye to eye, my heart needs protection and so do I.
Bye.
Thanks for watching!
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
It is, and I've got Mel Waters here.
We're getting the continuing saga, or at least closure to this point, of the Mel's toll stories.
That's plural.
We'll get back to Mel in a moment.
Once again, Mel Waters.
Mel, Maryland and Tulsa, Oklahoma asks, was there any sign of radioactivity?
An obvious question.
I don't think these guys are capable of doing, you know, determining if that... None of the people have been around the hole in your state or the hole in Washington or this other site where the stove had gone into the ground.
Have you been back to our Nevada Hole?
No, I have not.
I guess would, you know, be indicative of a rare...
Any, you know, anything that made him like truly sick.
Have you been back to our Nevada hole?
No, I have not.
And the reason why is that I feel at this point I am...
People can follow me around.
And I don't want to leave anyone there at this point.
Have you detected people following you?
Well, I'll tell you, some of the people that I was trying to find have found me.
And I have not left a trail of breadcrumbs out there.
You're not an easy guy to find.
I'm not an easy guy to find.
That is also my message to Charlotte, and that is that I'm not around because people badger me all the time, even though I don't have a nickel in my pocket.
Actually, I would be aware of those you refer to.
Let's not talk any more about it.
Okay.
The whole in Nevada.
Eventually, Mel, we've got to give scientists or somebody access to one of these things.
I have a feeling... Before the bulldozers come in with the suits and the military uniforms.
This has been my discussion with the Basque over there.
At this point here, it's time to basically come clean on all this stuff here.
Let someone from a university out there.
They don't want... I mean, I can't see them Profiting by it or anything.
It's on public land.
I mean, it doesn't belong to them.
A lot of people, of course, probably haven't heard this whole story.
And I'll tell you now, Mel, we're going to take this segment and we're going to repeat
Mel's Hole 2 on Christmas.
And so we're going to take the segment we're in right now, play it back then.
So Merry Christmas.
Well, I've got to tell you something, Art, and that is, boy, I sure got a lot of heat about the sheep and that, uh... Yeah, you want to, you want to briefly tell that again very quickly.
Well... It is a central core... This is good, maybe I could lead into some more of this, because there's been some more contact with... Good.
Okay, what we did is, some of the basks were really, like, crazy, and one of the, you know, some of them wanted to be actually lowered into the hole, and that's after we brought that burning ice up to the ground.
And I said that, hey, you don't want to do this.
You don't want to send a human being down there.
So they decided to lower a sheep.
They winched the sheep.
Well, I don't want to get into the grisly details, but the sheep goes into the hole.
Right.
Goes down a thousand feet.
Bring the sheep up.
Sheep is dead.
They cut into the sheep.
They find this huge tumor-looking sort of thing inside of it.
These guys are used to eviscerating sheep, and they, oh, this doesn't belong in there.
They cut it open.
And there's this thing that's alive inside that looks like a baby seal.
You know, like you see at the aquarium.
You know, a pinniped.
A baby seal.
That's what it looks like.
But the eyes are so odd.
We're all described the same thing.
It looked like it had eyes of a human being.
You know, you look at a seal, a picture of a seal, and it's got these black eyes.
Right.
They had like human-looking eyes.
Oh, man.
Okay, and we had experiences with it.
I won't go into the whole thing, but what has happened here is that I have been told that the Basque have seen the same creature again and again, and they've had many experiences with the, I'm going to call it the seal creature.
Now you had a guy on your show, I'm told his red, like red elk or red something.
Red elk, yes.
And he talked about these things, they're called rock flyers.
That's what he described them as, but he described these, he's like a Native Indian, kind of Native American sort of guy.
Yes.
And he described these things as being rock flyers.
That's an interesting name for them, rock flyers.
And he said these creatures that live down in the earth, but What I'm getting is the sense that they not only live in the Earth, but they inhabit, like, different Earths, and they are able to move between them.
It's also possible, Mel, it's crossed my mind, that very, very deep within the Earth there might even be a different set of laws of physics that might begin to Well, that would be a reality that you would live with, and maybe that's why you're getting such weird things up out of these holes.
Well, if I'm pulling up ice that keeps burning, and it's not cold, and I mean... Sounds like a different kind of physics.
Going on here, if we've got this metal collar that you cannot see from a certain distance, and no longer registers on the mind, or in the eye, or in the retina, I'll tell you something.
Remember I told you I was given A replacement for the 1943 Roosevelt Dime.
Yes, I recall.
After I was told about this thing here, and I've tried to take pictures of it, believe me.
Actually, I can't do any of that stuff.
My nephew does.
But this is what I discovered after I was told that they couldn't see the flange from a certain distance.
If I stand 15 feet away from the dime, I can no longer see it.
I can see the holder.
I've got it in a plastic like Lucite holder.
I can see the holder, and I can see straight through it.
Then I walk towards it, and all of a sudden, the dime inside the holder materializes.
That's what it's like.
So I assume that if it wasn't able to photograph, or not able to scan it, believe me, my nephew, he did everything he could to produce an image of this dime.
He could not do it.
I'm holding it right in my hand as we speak.
I still have it.
But you can't take a photograph of it?
I can't even, when it's 15 feet away.
What about the hole in Nevada?
What about the hole in Washington?
Well now, I've not been to the site of the hole, and I can assure you at this point that the hole in Washington has probably been re-landscaped over there.
What about the hole in Nevada?
It's still there as it was when I was there.
It's out there in plain view.
Well, we need some photographs.
We really need some photographs.
Well, I'm going to communicate with the Basque out there and say, look, why don't we just have people come out there, find out where it is.
From my standpoint, this stuff sounds dangerous.
I was telling you about how they hauled away this wood stove that had a bucket of ice in it and how heavy it became.
Are you familiar with any of the works by Kurt Vonnegut?
Of course.
Okay, he wrote a book called Cat's Cradle, and in that book, Cat's Cradle, there was a substance in there, a fictional substance, called Ice-9.
And Ice-9 was developed for the military, fictional, so that the people, the biggest scourge to the military is mud.
So they developed a substance that could pour in the mud and it would solidify the mud.
And the problem with it, though, is that it would keep on solidifying all of the water out there as far as it could reach, and eventually it would destroy the planet if it continued to solidify.
It absorbs all of the water.
Well, scientists have actually speculated.
Is it something biological?
I mean, I can't imagine... I don't... I don't know.
Because it's hard to imagine what else could continue to proliferate instead of... unless it was some sort of biological agent.
I know they have biological agents that clean up oil spills.
Yeah.
Or they created creatures that eat oil.
That's a... you know, I haven't thought of that.
I'd never thought of this as a living thing.
I always thought of it as a physical, chemical phenomenon.
Well, living things would be the one category that could continue to proliferate.
Anyway, this ice nine, in fiction, does that.
It can literally attach itself to all the water and render it impossible to deal with.
I mean, it would be no longer water.
You can imagine a world without water.
Yeah, of course.
Well, scientists have speculated.
You can go on the internet and search for, like, ice nine.
Yes.
And there are scientists that actually believe that something like ice nine can exist.
They actually believe That it is possible to accomplish something like the fictional Ice Knight.
Well, that's why I kept saying, what about a different set of laws of physics inside the Earth?
Obviously, something about the deep Earth, Mel, is very different than what we have here.
The whole new set of laws are down there that go on.
But this ice has been, this burning ice, has been a great, huge source of concern for all all the people that i talked to you know and then put
i i i'm not military whatever they were to tell me that when to the whole so you
have no idea who has it now not noted that they took it away and that that was the
report that i've got and uh...
excuse me up and i want one to get back to the uh...
the actual factual over there and uh... yes and in your state and
I told you about the helicopters that routinely fly over there, and apparently no one has been molested over there that is encamped around the hole.
But the Basques that are there have told me that they received visits from the seal-like creature.
Now, recalling for everybody, the creature went back down the hole.
I actually took them and put them on the flange.
Right.
And he just dived in to the hole.
Like a seal into the water.
Yeah.
Precisely like that.
And what I've been told is that the Basque have found a way of communicating with the seal.
Because it comes up regularly now.
It's like a regular visitor.
And what they did, and I don't know how they decided to do this, but the seal speaks to them.
through one of their boom boxes. So here you got the seal that's sitting there on the flange.
Mel, do you realize how crazy this sounds? I was crazy sounding from the first day.
Yeah, well, you have a point, Mel, but I mean the seal or whatever in God's name this is
can communicate to them.
Through a boombox?
Through the radio on the boombox.
I don't know how it does it.
I don't have any idea of how radio works.
You're the radio guy.
It receives radio frequencies.
The implication would be this creature is capable of Of radiating some sort of modulated radio frequency, and that's how it would happen.
I mean, I always heard these tales of, like, people hearing, like, radio in their tooth fillings.
Oh, no, it's true.
And wire fences out on the range.
It's all true.
You know, and so I don't know.
But anyway, they have been communicating with them, and one of them was actually smart enough to press the record button on the On the boombox?
Good move!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did, but this is what happened when he played it back.
Yes?
It sounded like... I've listened to shortwave radio before.
Yes?
But it sounded like that inner modulation that you get between like a series of chirps and bloops and bleeps and things like that.
Oh, yes.
That's what was recorded.
Oh, isn't that interesting?
Bloops and bleeps and stuff.
That's all that was on the tape.
I used to like those bloops and bleeps because they used to help me sleep.
You know, I would turn it in between, like, a shortwave channel.
Do you have that recording?
I don't have it handy, but... But you have it.
Yeah, but it sounds exactly like the bloops and bleeps you get between some of the shortwave radio stations.
Wow!
Exactly.
I have no idea, but they were hearing this you know speaking to them in the language they understood
and so uh... they talk about it and again i i i was not there ok
but i don't think these guys uh... the backers appalling my leg they're not that kind of got
They might be crazy enough to want to go into a hole.
Well, crazy as it may sound, it's not really crazy based on your own first-hand experience with the holes now, is it?
No, no, no.
It isn't.
If you take one context as a reality, then it seems to me it shouldn't be that hard for you to accept their word on what's happened here.
Right.
In that sense, but I'm also describing this to Many probably millions of people, I assume.
Probably, yes.
And what I was told is that these creatures inhabit the Earth and they inhabit the other spaces linked and not linked together.
And they're communicating through the radio to them is what's occurring.
And they do receive visitations from The seal creature from time to time.
Well, I already like these little guys.
If they use radio, they're my kind.
Are they your kind of people there?
Gotcha.
Okay, now the Basques were warned about the ice that we set down.
What kind of warning?
They said from the seal creatures that the ice can and would destroy the world in a very little amount of time.
This stuff is too dangerous to fool around with.
You don't have any way... It's not supposed to be up here.
...of understanding how this works, even though it is so tempting that all of a sudden, in a bucket of ice, I've got what seems to be an unimaginable source of power.
You know, an inexhaustible source of power, apparently.
But I can't imagine it being inexhaustible if it's getting heavier and it's absorbing water.
I mean, that to me doesn't sound like... You know, so I think that stuff that was down there really is truly dangerous, if not contained properly, is my feeling on that there.
And that's the warning they were giving, is that the world would be destroyed by the improper use of the ice.
Uh, they anticipate that greedy and undisciplined use of the ice will probably occur in this world.
Greedy and undisciplined?
Disciplined use of the ice.
That's an interesting phrase.
Yeah.
In fact, that's what was quoted to me, that term, greedy and undisciplined.
Well, you know, the world is looking, you know, for new power sources.
Anything that burns, Mel, and changes its own weight in that manner has a great deal of power.
Hey, this kind of reminds me of something.
You know, we're a fossil fuel based economy, right?
And we've been using oil for the last 150 years.
You know, crude oil, petroleum.
Long time.
Before that, the oil that we used was whale oil.
And some of the most famous whalers in the world were the Basque.
That's true.
Now I told you some time ago that there was a whale bone stuck in a tree in Ellensburg.
You know I remember that.
And I've been told by the Basque that they left that there.
That they were Basque in the area of the Washington Hole and they left that whale bone there kind of as a marker.
That's all I want to say about that.
That's what I've been told.
Do you think that somehow those beneath ground understood something about what we needed?
Or what they thought we needed?
Well, I'll tell you this much because there are other things that were said that, and this might explain some things to you, but we talked about the greedy and undisciplined use of the ice.
These seal creatures, they can travel between these worlds.
And that there are other people in other worlds that have designs on this world, because this world is in pretty good shape.
There are some people out there in other worlds that are similar to ours, but their world is so horrible... Well, our world is at least above ground.
Yeah, but their world is so horrible that if we had suffered a nuclear holocaust on this world, they would be happy to inhabit it.
There are people there and what they were told is there are other worlds similar to ours that have designs on this world and that they monitor what happens on this world.
Listen to me now, we're almost out of time now.
Anything critical to get out?
Just that they are looking at our conditions and they are saying, hey, the world that they That is, the Earth that we know is on a collision course to disaster, and a lot of them think this is good, that then when we're gone, they can come here, and they think they're smart enough to use the ice that's here.
That's the word I'm getting, okay?
I'm not a prophet, I'm not anything, I'm just reporting.
Was the implication in that that the ice was rare even to them?
The ice is rare, but when it's discovered, it's almost always improperly used.
That no one has had the smartness.
Now these seal creatures... Implication being there's been other pieces of this above ground.
In other similar situations there that have been used and maybe it's been that some of this has surfaced in one of these holes and you were saying maybe that's how these holes are formed?
Yeah.
Uh, any number of those things.
Alright, listen to me, my friend.
We've got to go.
I want you to tell me, swear to me, that you'll get hold of some people at the University of Washington or wherever and proceed with this, will you?
I'll talk to the best.
I think they're thinking along my way.
They have no real vested interest.
All right, I'm going to look for that to happen, Mel.
You take care, my friend.
Thank you very much, Art Bell.
Good night, Mel Waters.
Bye.
Well, that was quite an update, wasn't it?
Yeah, I know.
But maybe it could be true.
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