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Dec. 20, 2002 - Art Bell
02:47:50
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Mel's Hole Update - Remote Viewing - Ed Dames
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And...
I'm not sure what I'm doing here.
🎵Music🎵 From the high desert, there's a great American Southwest.
Good evening.
It's a Friday night, Saturday morning.
The moon out there is full.
The night's still and cold.
And it's gonna be a very interesting program, and so I suggest you strap in, turn up the radio, and get ready.
In the next hour comes Major Ed Daynes, affectionately known as Dr. Doom.
Not so affectionately by others.
In the first hour, Coming up in a moment, a surprise visit from Mel Waters.
That would be Mel of Mel's whole fame.
A lot of people said he was dead.
Recently, I've had some communication from people who thought he was dead.
Well, he's not dead.
He's here tonight and he's gonna fill you in on, you know, kind of what's happened since.
Coming right up.
Here from an undisclosed location, unless he wishes to disclose it, is Malwaters.
Mel, welcome to the program.
Well, hello there, Art Bell.
Welcome back to the program, as more like it.
Well, thank you.
I'll stay as I'm in my nephew's apartment.
Okay, that'll do.
All right, Mel, what we need is an update, if you have one, to Washington.
An update, of course, on the whole here in my state, Nevada.
Okay.
First of all, I'm not dead.
That's a good thing, Mel.
And I did have a very, very, very close brush with death back around Memorial Day.
Maybe that's where people got it.
But I am doing well, and I'm not yet ready to eat the big green wiener yet.
Anyway, yes, I do want to bring people up to date and let them know how things are going.
All right, good.
Where to begin?
Well, I'm going to talk to you about kind of where we left off in Nevada.
All right.
Is it Nevada or Nevada?
Well, I say Nevada.
I wonder about that.
Just try either one.
We'll answer to it.
Anyway, the one in your state here, I told you that We had lowered a bucket of ice into the hole there in your state.
You don't want to tell us anymore about where the hole is?
I think that might end up coming out here, or I think people will be able to discern where it is in your state.
I think a lot of people have got a very good idea, and I'm going to tell you that The location where the hole is at has been under helicopter surveillance, almost constantly, like 24 hours a day.
But there have been flyovers of that area.
Frequently?
And, but there's been no contact with the Basque that are there, that are encamped around there.
That's pretty odd, considering the military cordon that was thrown around the whole of Washington.
Well, yeah, that is, and I've yet to discern how they We're able to mobilize so quickly on that.
That's still a great mystery for me.
Nevertheless, you said you were reminding us of a bucket of ice.
Yes, but one thing, well, I said they had flyovers of the hole there in your state.
I was told something very interesting, and that is that from certain approaches to where the area that they're in, you can see The encampment of people.
You could see the Basque if you're standing there, say, on the hillside, but you cannot see the flange around the hole.
I told you that with this hole, there was like a metal collar, a flange around it.
You cannot see that from a certain distance.
You could see everything else.
The flange is huge.
It's a very large Metallic structure, you know, that provides like a collar for this thing.
Mel, your opinion.
Yeah.
Does this hole go down somewhere near the center of the earth?
I mean, how far?
I, well, of course, you know, people know what my experience with it was lowering all that fishing line into it.
And I have, I'm absolutely certain that I got 50, 80,000 feet of line into it, which is, I don't know, 15 miles or so of line.
I mean, that's a crazy thing to do, but I did.
I'm just one of those people that are determined to get to the bottom of things.
Only you never did get to the bottom.
No, no, no.
That's where, that's, that's, when I was at that level, that was my first contact with you.
That, you know, when I reached that point there, that's when I said, I better reveal What I'm doing to the audience to find out what am I dealing with?
You know, and so this whole thing started.
Let me tell you about what had occurred.
You know, we lowered that bucket of ice.
We pulled it up there.
We had a bucket of ice up there at the surface.
That bucket of ice at the surface had melted completely.
We brought up the bucket of ice from a depth of, I believe it was a thousand feet.
We lowered it down a thousand feet.
We brought it up.
The ice was unmelted.
So we stuck it on the campfire there, in the metal bucket, to see if we could melt it.
Well, the thing caught fire, as I said.
The ice caught fire?
The ice caught fire.
It was burning.
And it was kind of a strange fire, but it generated heat.
I don't know.
I still, well, I might be getting ahead of myself, but it must have been some sort of chemical reaction.
Somehow the water was changed.
We actually touched the ice, you know, and it felt like ice, but not cold.
That's when we took it, you know, before we set it on fire.
Like ice, but not cold?
Right.
I mean, it wasn't cold, and so what was going on here?
So we, you know, we lowered it, we put it in the bucket.
Well, I told you that it caught fire, and eventually one of these bass fellows took the bucket of ice, set it in the back of his Pickup truck, drove off and took it home and stuck it inside of his wood stove.
Had the ice been put out?
No, no, it was just kind of, you know... Well, I mean, he had it in his vehicle, wasn't it?
He just had it in the back of his pickup truck.
You're trying to tell me it was burning while it was in there?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he wanted to take it home and put it in his wood stove and see if it would keep him warm.
Well, so he did that.
Well, the Basker kind of a crazy people.
I don't... Are you...
Are you in any way familiar with the Basque in general, or specific, or just kind of heard of them?
Well, no, of course I've heard of them, but I mean, no.
The Basque are very well known in your state.
In fact, the University up there of Nevada at Reno has a huge section on the Basque.
I bet, yeah.
Well, so, he took it home.
It's not that weird.
I mean, it was burning.
Ice burning is weird.
Yes, yes, and he just...
He took this home and set it in his wood stove and it kept him toasty warm throughout the winter.
Throughout the winter?
Throughout the winter and for... You're telling me there's one piece of ice per... Well, it was... What we did is in this bucket, metal bucket, we stuck in a bag of like 7-Eleven ice, you know, the kind that you buy at the store, you know, ice cubes.
Yes.
That's what it was.
That's what we put in there.
Nothing else.
Just the metal bucket lowered down into this hole.
We get it and we stick it on the fire and it's burning.
Okay, so...
Anyway, this has been going on for quite some time, and he sets it as a wood stove, keeps it warm, and I imagine that today it'd still be burning, or is burning, I have no... The last you heard, it was still going?
Well, we're going to go to probably what Paul Harvey says the rest of the story here, because this is what I've been told.
Alright.
He says, you know when you have a wood stove, Uh, you're burning wood, uh, you generally will put a kettle on top of that wood stove.
Yeah.
And, you know, to make, have hot water for coffee and to humidify the air.
Sure, whatever.
You know, it dries out the air terribly.
Well, this Basque fellow, he just did just that there and you notice there that the air was like really, really dry.
He was always thirsty and his skin was like flaking.
I mean, this was like, I don't know, he must have been living in humidity low, lower than what you face out there in the desert, you know, and so, uh, Um, you know, he's got this kettle up on top there, you know, trying to humidify the air.
And one night, he notices that, uh, I don't know, it might have been the angle of the light or just whatever it was, but the steam from the kettle looked like it was being absorbed into the stove.
And we're not saying like through the vents or, you know, through the door or whatever.
Wait a minute.
The steam from the kettle, which would have been going up.
Would be, would be coming back down and then absorbed by the stove.
It was like dispersing and then coming around and just like, I guess the word to describe it is lingering around but it looked like it was being absorbed by the stove.
That's the, I think that's the best picture.
Now that's weird.
That is strange.
Of course this is already really weird.
We've got ice that's burning eternally so far and And then, and that's, I can picture it.
Okay, so I mean, I want to be able to, because this is what I've been told, but I have absolute belief in, you know, the person that told me this, and, and, and, you know, that this goes on.
Anyway, you know, the stove is out there, and it's producing heat, and this guy is real happy, and even though he's like real thirsty and really dry, you know, and then one day, this guy comes home, you know, he goes out and does his thing, and comes home, and he notices that the stove What?
had crashed through the heart and through the floorboards of his cabin
what's it just like what breakdown
uh...
it just broke a video of cover-up with the cabinet you know but it was able to
support the weight of this would still be there uh... so now still with his eternally burning ice is now
through the floor It's in the ground.
It's actually in on like the dirt maybe.
It fell like about a foot into the ground at that point.
I wonder if this thing is going back from once it came.
Well, that's what I want to know and we're going to continue along with this here.
But anyway, the stove is sitting down there.
Now this guy, you know, sometimes I wonder about these guys, but you know, he's not too bright.
So what he does is He patches up the stovepipe.
Yeah.
And so it connects to the chimney with the flue, all that stuff there.
Yeah.
And he's kind of living in this cabin with this stovepipe.
You mean he's still using the stove?
Yeah.
You mean he just extended the pipe?
Yes, that's exactly what he did.
He just kind of lowered it down there.
And as far as I can tell, though, it doesn't give off any gas or any Uh, no smoke or anything.
He made no attempts to bring it back up to fix the floor and do it right, huh?
No.
No, he didn't.
Uh, you know, he continues to live with it, you know, and basically, uh, about, I don't know, a week, maybe two weeks later, he comes home.
And the entire cabin has collapsed.
What?
Around it.
The whole thing.
The whole thing?
Everything has collapsed around it.
In fact, all there is around the side of the cabin.
is piles of wood dust.
In other words, his cabin disintegrated.
It basically looked like all of the moisture that was in the wood had been sucked out of it completely to the point that it could no longer exist as wood.
Wow.
Now this is, this is, this is pretty interesting because so far it's pretty consistent.
That's for sure.
This thing reabsorbed its own moisture.
It absorbed so much moisture this man had terrible skin troubles.
Still he kept it going.
And now he absorbed, it absorbed all, I get it, all the moisture out of the wood.
He had wood furniture in there, you know, his bed, chair, whatever.
Yep.
Wood dust.
You know, you could see the different colors of wood dust.
And at that point he abandons the cabin and gets the heck out of there.
Understood.
Enough is enough.
So he moves in with one of his brothers.
Yes.
And they're over there and about a month later he goes back to the cabin to show it to his brothers and they find that the stove had sunk to like five feet into the ground.
This thing's on its way.
It's five feet into the ground and it is still generating heat.
And still going.
And, uh, you know, at that point all the dust had blown away and, you know, you got a few nails around there.
And what you have is a rectangular hole.
Just a little bit bigger than the stove.
So can you imagine a rectangular wood stove sinking into the ground, leaving its imprint?
And there's a little bit of room around it, but not a lot.
And he described that the hole that it made Was also like really, really, really, really smooth all around it.
You think of a hole in dirt.
Like it's burning its way through.
Like it's melted into some sort of glassy type.
Maybe it's doing the same thing and it's taking away all the moisture in the soil below it as it goes.
This is the point where the Basque fellow contacts me.
And they have a way of getting a hold of me.
I say something that I probably shouldn't say on the air, but anyway.
Something like Holy Smokes?
Well yeah, that would be it.
Holy Smokes.
Then I did something which I thought I would never do.
What?
And that is, I contacted one of the people that were my contacts when I was in Australia.
Okay.
I had a number and I described the situation to this guy here.
And he pretty much said the same thing that I said, holy smoke.
It tells me it's like really important that I tell them where the cabin was.
Of course.
And how to get to it.
Well, I mean, after all, Mel, this is before it disappears from sight into a creation of a new whole.
This is something that could be immediately researched.
Well, so I talked to the Baskin and all the land that I'm talking about is on public land.
You know, so the cabin, you know, the guy's like a squatter out there, you know, out in the boondocks.
He's got a shack that, you know, if it burned down, he wouldn't care about it.
He'd just put up another one, you know, a couple feet away.
Gotcha.
But he decides, okay, well, there's no way to really trace me, you know, two years, so I'm not going to get in any trouble.
So we say, okay, you know, I'll get back with this guy here.
This is exactly where to find it, you know, tell him how to get there.
And so at that point, Uh, there's a team dispatched to the site of the former capitol.
A team?
A team of people show up there.
Way to go!
And now this guy, this Basque fellow there, he's got a nice vantage point.
He knows all the land around there.
He knows where he can sit out there and squat and look around.
So he's got a pretty good view of, uh, where his cabin used to be.
So he's out there, you know, watching what's going on.
Yes.
Now he said he wasn't sure if they were military guys or what kind of guys they were.
I would imagine that some of them had to be scientists.
of some sort and uh... you know they're out there for a while shortly after that it's like a bunch of heavy duty construction equipment cranes and things that are brought out there here we go and then uh... and uh... this is like you know big big stuff you know super super big stuff But you know he's up there and he's watching this and the people down there at the cabin are really like struggling to get the stove out of the ground.
Yeah.
And at that point I assume that it sunk even deeper than it, you know, than it was.
And that last time he said it was about like five feet deep.
So this thing was pretty, pretty deep out there.
They keep on bringing it in heavier and heavier and heavier equipment, bigger cranes.
They bring in multiple cranes.
They're still, I guess, not able to get a purchase on this thing to lift it out.
Hey Mel, I wonder if this is the way the hulls got made in the first place.
Again, I do not know what the mechanism here is.
So far, what you've described sounds like it's making a new hull.
Well, from that standpoint, it sure as heck does.
I mean, you know, obviously this thing is sinking deeper and deeper into the ground and they are, you know, it's like a total of, you know, they're totally baffled with how to get this thing out here.
I assume that when they're trying to bring it up there that they're breaking off pieces of the stove because, you know, it's made out of cast iron or whatever.
It must be busting up there that the thing is really heavy.
Well, eventually what they do is they drop some chains into the ground and then they pour some water in there.
To the ground.
Yeah.
And I don't know if this is what happened, but this is what I assumed happened.
Is somehow the water and the chains and the metal all congealed together.
You know, kind of like held fast like glue to the structure and everything that was in the hole.
Yeah.
Eventually they were able to get this thing out of the ground and hoisted up.
And they were using more than one crane at this point.
I don't know a lot about cranes, but usually they can pick up a lot of stuff.
They had several cranes working on getting this thing out, so it must have weighed some huge amount.
So the weight alone would have broken it through the floor.
Wouldn't have dug the hole though.
Isn't that fascinating?
So they finally get this thing out of the ground using multiple cranes.
The biggest ones they can get.
These things were like monster cranes.
They get it up and they load it onto the biggest truck this guy had ever seen in his life.
This was bigger than big.
And they haul that thing away.
It was like gone.
You know, there it is over there.
And so they just took the stove away.
I don't know if he got a good look to see what the stove looked like, but they loaded whatever was in there, detached the chains from the hooks and stuff, and trucked this thing off.
All of this, in essence, just to get this burning ice, really?
That's what they got.
But this guy here, as soon as I talked to him, he knew something was going down, and something had gotten, well, my impression was it had gotten, like, out of control.
And all of this just from something you lowered into the hole here in Nevada?
That is correct.
Aye, aye, aye.
All right.
Hold on.
Hold it right where you are, Mel.
We're going to break here.
We'll be right back.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
It is, and I've got Mel Waters here.
We're getting the continuing saga, or at least closure to this point, of the Mel's whole stories.
That's plural.
We'll get back to Mel in a moment.
Once again, Mel Waters.
Mel, Maryland and Tulsa, Oklahoma asks, was there any sign of radioactivity?
An obvious question.
I don't think these guys are capable of doing, you know, determining if that... None of the people have been around the hole in your state, or the hole in Washington, or this other site where the stove had gone into the ground.
Had experienced any sickness or anything that, I guess, would, you know, be indicative of... Anything that made him, like, truly sick.
Have you been back to our Nevada hole?
No, I have not.
And the reason why is that I feel, at this point, I am... People can follow me around.
And I don't want to leave anyone there at this point.
Have you detected people following you?
Well, I'm, well, I'll tell you, some of the people that I was trying to find have found me.
I mean, and I have not left a trail of breadcrumbs out there.
Yeah, you're not an easy guy to find.
I'm not an easy guy to find.
In fact, that is also my message to Charlotte, and that is that I'm not around because people badger me all the time, even though I don't have a nickel in my pocket.
Actually, I would be aware of those you refer to.
Let's not talk any more about it.
Okay.
Listen, the whole in Nevada.
Eventually, Mel, we've got to give scientists Or somebody, access to one of these things.
I have a feeling... Before the bulldozers come in with the suits and the military uniforms.
This has been my discussion with the Basque over there.
At this point here, it's time to basically come clean on all this stuff here.
Let someone from a university out there.
They don't want...
I mean, I can't see them profiting by it or anything.
It's on public land.
I mean it doesn't belong to them a lot of people of course probably haven't heard this whole story
And I'll tell you now Mel. We're gonna take this segment, and we're gonna repeat Mel's hole two on
Christmas and so we're gonna take the segment. We're in right now play it back then so
Merry Christmas.
I've got to tell you something, Art.
I sure got a lot of heat about the sheep.
You want to briefly tell that again very quickly.
It is a central core.
This is good.
Maybe I can lead into some more of this because there's been some more contact.
What we did is, some of the basks were really crazy.
Some of them wanted to be lowered into the hole.
That's after we brought that burning ice up to the ground.
And I said that, hey, you don't want to do this.
You know, you don't want to send a human being down there.
So they decide to lower a sheep.
They winch the sheep.
Well, I don't want to get into the grisly details, but the sheep goes into the hole.
Right.
Goes down a thousand feet.
Bring the sheep up.
Sheep is dead.
They cut into the sheep.
They find this huge tumor looking sort of thing inside of it.
These guys are used to eviscerating sheep and they, oh, this doesn't belong in there.
They cut it open.
And there's this thing that looks, it's alive inside, it looks like a baby seal.
You know, like you see at the aquarium, you know, a pinniped, a baby seal.
That's what it looks like.
But the eyes are so odd.
They, they, they, we're all described the same thing.
It looked like it had eyes of a human being.
You know, you look at a seal, picture of a seal, and it's got these black eyes.
Right.
They have like human looking eyes.
Oh, man.
Okay, and we had experiences with it.
I won't go into the whole thing, but what has happened here is that I have been told that the Basque have seen the same creature again and again, and they've had many experiences with the, I'm going to call it the seal creature.
Now you had a guy on your show, I'm told he's red, like red elk or red something.
Red elk, yes.
And he talked about these things, they're called rock flyers.
That's what he described them as, but he described these, he's like a Native Indian, kind of Native American sort of guy.
Yes.
And he described these things as being rock flyers.
That's an interesting name for them, rock flyers.
And he said there's these creatures that live down in the earth, but What I'm getting is the sense that they not only live in the Earth, but they inhabit like different Earths, and they are able to move between them.
It's also possible, Mel, it's crossed my mind, that very, very deep within the Earth there might even be a different set of laws of physics that might begin to Well, that would be a reality that you would live with, and maybe that's why you're getting such weird things up out of these holes.
Well, if I'm pulling a vise that keeps burning, and it's not cold, and I read something... Sounds like a different kind of physics, doesn't it?
Going on here, if we've got this metal collar that you cannot see from a certain distance, that no longer registers on the mind, or in the eye, or in the retina... I'll tell you something.
Remember I told you I was given A replacement for the 1943 Roosevelt Dime.
Yes, I recall.
After I was told about this thing here, and I've tried to take pictures of it, believe me.
Actually, I can't do any of that stuff.
My nephew does.
But this is what I discovered after I was told that they couldn't see the flange from a certain distance.
If I stand 15 feet away from the dime, I can no longer see it.
I can see the holder.
I've got it in a plastic, like, loose side holder.
I could see the holder, I could see straight through it.
Then I walk towards it and all of a sudden the dime inside the holder materializes.
That's what it's like.
So I assumed that if I wasn't able to photograph, or not able to scan it, believe me, my nephew
he did everything he could to produce an image of this dime.
He could not do it.
I have it, I'm holding it right in my hand as we speak.
I still have it.
But you can't take a photograph of it.
I can't even, when it's 15 feet away.
What about the hole in Nevada?
What about the hole in Washington?
Well, I've not been to the site of the hole, and I can assure you at this point that the hole in Washington has probably been re-landscaped over there.
But the hole in Nevada?
It's still there as it was when I was there.
It's out there in plain view.
Well, we need some photographs.
We really need some photographs.
Well, I'm going to communicate with the Basque out there and say, look, why don't we just have people come out there, find out where it is.
From my standpoint, this stuff sounds dangerous.
I was telling you about how they hauled away this wood stove that had a bucket of ice in it and how heavy it became.
Are you familiar with any of the works by Kurt Vonnegut?
Of course.
Okay, he wrote a book called Cat's Cradle, and in that book, Cat's Cradle, there was a substance in there, fictional substance, called Ice-9.
And Ice-9 was developed for the military, fictional, so that the people, the biggest scourge to the military is mud.
So he developed a substance that could pour in the mud and it would solidify the mud.
And the problem with it, though, is that it would keep on solidifying all of the water out there as far as it could reach, and eventually it would destroy the planet if it continued to solidify.
It absorbs all of the water.
Well, scientists have actually speculated.
Is it something biological?
I mean, I can't imagine... I don't know, but... Because it's hard to imagine what else could continue to proliferate instead, unless it was some sort of biological agent.
I know they have biological agents that clean up oil spills.
Yeah.
You know, they created creatures that eat oil.
That's a... You know, I haven't thought of that.
I never thought of this as a living thing.
I always thought of it as a physical, chemical phenomenon.
Well, living things would be the one category that could continue to proliferate.
Anyway, this ice mine, in fiction, does that.
It can literally attach itself to all the water and render it impossible to deal with.
I mean, it would be no longer water.
You can imagine a world without water.
Yeah, of course.
Well, scientists have speculated.
You can go on the internet and search for, like, ice mine.
Yes.
And there are scientists that actually believe that something like ice mine can exist.
They actually believe That it is possible to accomplish something like the fictional Ice Knight.
Well, that's why I kept saying, what about a different set of laws of physics inside the Earth?
Obviously, something about the deep Earth, Mel, is very different than what we have here.
The whole new set of laws are down there that go on.
But this ice has been, this burning ice, has been a great, huge source of concern for all All the people that I talk to, you know.
I'm not a military whatever they worded down there that went to the hole.
So you have no idea who has it now?
No, no.
They took it away and that was the report that I got.
Excuse me.
Anyway, I wanted to get back to the actual hole over there in your state.
I told you about the helicopters that routinely fly over there.
Apparently no one has been molested over there.
Encamped around the hole.
But the Basque that are there have told me that they received visits from the seal-like creature.
Now, recalling for everybody, the creature went back down the hole.
I actually took this and put him on the flange.
Right.
And he just dived in to the hole.
Like a seal into the water?
Yeah, precisely like that.
What I have been told is that the Basque have found a way of communicating with the seal.
Because it comes up regularly now.
It's like a regular visitor.
And what they did, and I don't know how they decided to do this, but the seal speaks to them through one of their boom boxes.
So here you've got the seal that's sitting there on the flange.
Mel, do you realize how crazy this sounds?
I was crazy-sounding from the first day.
Yeah, well, you have a point, Mel.
But I mean, the seal, or whatever in God's name this is, can communicate to them through a boombox.
Through the radio on the boombox.
I don't know how it does it.
I don't have any idea of how radio works, okay?
Well, you're the radio guy.
It receives radio frequencies, so the implication would be this creature is capable of Of radiating some sort of modulated radio frequency, and that's how it would happen.
I mean, I always heard these tales of, like, people hearing, like, radio in their tooth filling.
Oh, no, it's true.
And wire fences out on the range.
It's all true.
You know, so I don't know.
But anyway, they have been communicating with them, and one of them was actually smart enough to press the record button on the On the boombox?
Good move!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He did, but this is what happened when he played it back.
Yes?
It sounded like... I've listened to shortwave radio before.
Yes?
But it sounded like that intermodulation that you get between, like, a series of chirps and bloops and bleeps and things like that.
Oh, yes.
That's what was recorded.
Oh, isn't that interesting.
Bloops and bleeps and stuff.
That's all that was on a tape.
I used to like those bloops and bleeps because they used to help me sleep.
You know, I would turn it in between like a shortwave channel.
Do you have that recording?
I don't have it handy.
But you have it.
Yeah, but it sounds exactly like that.
The bloops and bleeps you get between some of the shortwave radio stations.
Wow.
Exactly.
I have no idea.
But that's, they were hearing this, you know, speaking to them in the language they understood.
And so, uh, they talk about it.
And again, I wasn't there, okay?
But I don't think these guys, the Basque, are...
are pulling my leg.
They're not that kind of guy.
They might be crazy enough to want to go into a hole.
Well, crazy as it may sound, it's not really crazy based on your own first-hand experience with the holes now, is it?
No, no, no.
It isn't.
If you take one context as a reality, then it seems to me it shouldn't be that hard for you to accept their word on what's happened here.
Right.
And so, in that sense, but I'm also describing this to Many, many, probably millions of people, I assume.
Probably, yes.
And what I was told is that these creatures inhabit the Earth and they inhabit the other spaces, linked and not linked together.
And they're communicating through the radio to them is what's occurring.
And they do receive visitations from The seal creature from time to time.
Well, I already like these little guys.
If they use radio, they're my kind.
Are they your kind of people there?
Gotcha.
Okay, now the Basques were warned about the ice that we sent down.
What kind of warning?
They said from the seal creatures that the ice can and would destroy the world in a very little amount of time.
This stuff is too dangerous to fool around with.
You don't have any way... It's not supposed to be up here.
...of understanding how this works, even though it is so tempting that all of a sudden, in a bucket of ice, I've got what seems to be an unimaginable source of power.
You know, an inexhaustible source of power, apparently.
But I can't imagine it being inexhaustible if it's getting heavier and it's absorbing water.
I mean, that, to me, doesn't sound like... You know, so I think that stuff that was down there really is truly dangerous, if not contained properly, is my feeling on that there.
And that's the warning that they were giving, is that the world would be destroyed by the improper use of the ice.
They anticipate that greedy and undisciplined use of the ice will probably occur in this world.
Greedy and undisciplined use of the ice.
That's an interesting phrase.
Yeah.
In fact, that's what was quoted to me, that term, greedy and undisciplined.
Well, you know, the world is looking, you know, for new power sources.
Anything that burns, Mel, and changes its own weight in that manner has a great deal of power.
Hey, this kind of reminds me of something.
You know, we're a fossil fuel based economy, right?
And we've been using oil for the last 150 years.
You know, crude oil, petroleum.
Long time.
Before that, the oil that we used was whale oil.
And some of the most famous whalers in the world were the Basque.
That's true.
Now I told you some time ago that there was a whale bone and it's stuck in a tree in Ellensburg.
You know I remember that.
And I've been told by the Basque that they left that there.
That they were Basque in the area of the Washington Hole and they left that whale bone there kind of as a marker.
That's all I want to say about that.
That's what I've been told.
Do you think that somehow those beneath ground understood Something about what we needed?
Or what they thought we needed?
Well, I'll tell you this much, because there are other things that were said that... And this might explain some things to you, but you know, we talk about the greedy and undisciplined use of the ice.
These seal creatures, they can travel between these worlds.
And that there are other people in other worlds that have designs on this world, because this world is in pretty good shape.
There are some people out there in other worlds that are similar to ours, but their world is so horrible.
Well, our world is at least above ground.
Yeah, but their world is so horrible that if we had suffered a nuclear holocaust on this world, they would be happy to inhabit it.
There are people there, and what they were told Is there other worlds similar to ours that have designs on this world and that they monitor what happens on this world?
Listen to me now, we're almost out of time now.
Anything critical to get out?
Just that they're looking at our conditions and they're saying, hey, the world that is the earth that we know is on a collision course to disaster and a lot of them think this is good that then when we're gone they can come here And they think they're smart enough to use the ice that's here.
That's the word I'm getting.
Okay?
I'm not a prophet.
I'm not anything.
I'm just reporting.
Was the implication in that that the ice was rare even to them?
The ice is rare, but when it's discovered, it's almost always improperly used.
That no one has had the smartness.
Now these seal creatures... Implication being there's been other pieces of this above ground.
In other similar situations there that have been used and maybe it's been that some of this has surfaced in one of these holes and you were saying maybe that's how these holes are formed?
Uh, any, any number of those things.
Alright, listen to me, my friend.
I've got, we've gotta go.
I want you to tell me, uh, swear to me that you'll get hold of some people at the University of Washington or wherever and proceed with this, will you?
you of of probe pro of so talk to the best i think they're they're thinking along my way they have no
real best interest for a look at that to happen now you take care of my friend
thank you very much artful
goodnight no waters Yeah, I know.
But maybe it could be true.
We'll be back.
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As incredible as it may sound, and it's on an incredible website, it's on a website called the Fantastic Forum.
There's a story about the brunette, the brunette in ABBA, one of my favorite groups of all time, That that brunette was the product of a Nazi breeding program in the Second World War.
There's a big story about her up there.
It's very interesting.
Purports to come from the Observer.
I assume that to be the London Observer.
Extremely interesting article about the brunette in ABBA.
Incredible.
In later life she's been a recluse.
Coming up in a moment on a Friday night, Saturday morning.
Some call him, many call him Dr. Hume.
Major Ed Dames, stay right there.
Now, Ed Dames, the world's foremost remote-viewing teacher.
He's Major, U.S.
Army, retired now.
He's creator of technical remote-viewing.
and Director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute, an original member of the U.S.
Army Remote Viewing Training Program.
He subsequently served as the Training and Operations Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit, PSIINT, and currently serves as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, I like that name, a private Consulting Group, and we will talk of many, many things tonight, indeed, with Major Dames.
I can tell you a few things about Major Dames myself.
One, I would say he is the most beloved and hated guest that I have on the air.
Hardly anybody that I'm aware of evokes the kind of emotional response that does Major Dames.
I'm serious about that.
He scares the hell out of a lot of people, hence the nickname Dr. Doom.
And a lot of people, of course, then respond with anger, but I can also tell you that over the years, many, many, many of the things that he told me would happen, happened.
Including the malformation of frauds.
He told me the UV would soon begin to Destroy Frogs, and of course that did occur, and he had that quite some number of years ahead of time, and many, many other things that he has indicated would have indeed happened.
I personally, I can tell you this, examined his military record, his entire military record, it was sent to me, and he did in the military exactly what he said he did.
The entire CIA operation, which was revealed on a nightline program with Ted Koppel, was, we now all know, an absolute fact.
Our government had a secret remote viewing project ongoing.
Remote viewing being the ability to see and picture things at a great distance.
In that program, for example, gas canisters were discovered in Iraq and then confirmed the location and Confirmed, as they said it would be, and so many other things.
The military, in fact, had this program, and this man definitely was in this program.
Now he's in the private sector.
And in the private sector, he has caused some fair amount of havoc.
There's no question about that.
Here is Major Danes.
Hi there, Ed.
Hi Art.
This is your last answer, Doom.
My Last Dance with Doom, and up on my website right now, there is under, you know, if you go to theartbell.com, don't forget that commemorative CD.
Your chance to order it, by the way, folks, is almost gone.
At any rate, when you get up there, go to tonight's guest, Major Dames, actually programs tonight's guest info, and there will be the name, Major Dames, and first item down is major doom and gloom.
And when you click on it, there's this really cool cartoon that says major doom and gloom coming your way.
And there's a cute little dog there with a little rocket and he's holding on to it as a dog would carry a cask to rescue you with a little rocket on the end of it.
It's kind of a cute cartoon.
Who did that?
That was Ben Lizardi.
Ben's been an artist for Disney and a number of Yeah, excellent artist.
He's one of my business partners on the Mind Dazzle project.
You could be an action figure in a comic ed!
Well, I've gone from feature films now with Ben Kingsley and Anne Eckhart and Carrie-Anne Moss, the Suspect Zero, all the way down to comic book characters.
So, full range of media.
It's really cool.
I mean, that does look like the front of a really cool new comic book.
Listen, can I run something by you before we even dive into where we're going?
Email I just got.
Dear Art, very sad you're leaving Coast to Coast.
Also relieved that you will have Major Dames back on the program before the new year.
Two questions.
One, Major Dames discussed the remote viewing of a killer blight that induced gangrene within the joints of all those who aided a gangrene so severe the arms and legs fell off the individuals.
Uh, who ate the crops afflicted with the blight.
Now, two weeks after you interviewed, uh, the Major, I read a Tacoma News Tribune, or maybe Seattle Times article, the associated press story of a woman scientist who developed bioweapons for Saddam.
Among the strains, blight and gangrene were mentioned within the same paragraph.
Please ask the Major if the gangrenous killer blight that was remote-viewed is actually a strain developed by our, or perhaps Iraq's, military.
You want me to answer that now, Art?
Sure!
Okay, the blight, no, the blight is an anti-crop weapon, an offensive biological weapon.
I was this country's biological warfare case officer for many years as a science and technology case officer.
Biological Warfare was my assignment.
So I helped write some of the National Intelligence Estimates that went to the President and the National Security Council on Biological Warfare.
Well, then I'm going to have a lot to ask you about that.
Yeah, I also helped get the funding from Congress to set up the Biological Threat Analysis Center, the BTAC, which is a top-secret unit place that analyzes Biological Warfare Intelligence.
So blight is an anti-crop weapon.
And it's not connected with gangrene.
The gangrene as a weapon, as a microbe, is strictly just gangrene itself.
And it's the organism itself.
The gangrenous ergotism that I'm talking about is caused by ergot, Claviceps purpurea, as one of the 32, 33 species of ergot from which LSD is derived.
And by eating blighted plants that have ergot on them, if ergot is indeed this particular blight, one, an animal or a human can become ill, vomit, they can suffer hallucinogenic effects, we know that because of the LSD derivatives.
But worst case, if you eat very blighted crops, very black grain, and if one is hungry, or if one feeds this to cattle, And the organism, a human or a cow, will develop gangrene in a very interesting form, a very interesting way.
If it's a cow, the cow's tails will fall off, the ears will fall off, the appendages will fall off, right out of the horror movies, that kind of thing.
And that is in the literature.
You can do internet searches and find that.
It's rare, but it happens.
And it can also happen to any other mammal.
And this could be applied to a bioweapon?
Well, it's eating the blighted crop that causes that effect.
So the blight itself doesn't cause that.
The blight attacks the crop, grasses, maize, corn, wheat, all of the food crops.
I know, but all of that somehow makes it into the food chain, Ed.
Yes, but all I'm saying is that the blight itself, the ergot itself, does not cause the gangrene.
These are two separate things.
Does it surprise you to hear blight and gangrene used in the same paragraph in that sort of a story, you know, about bioweapons?
No, not at all.
those are very applicable to offensive biological warfare you don't want to attack a nation you know you attack their
crops as well and uh... you know since you were a bio warfare expert
though it's been some time you would have
some sense i mean everybody's talking about bio warfare right now
You should have some sense, one way or perhaps even the other, of exactly the threat that America's facing right now in terms of what might be unleashed on us.
Correct.
So if you have any questions... I have a hell of a lot of questions.
What kind of things do you believe that we're facing, possibly?
The continental United States is not really under a great threat.
The population centers, because there's such a density of people, if we were attacked by a biological warfare agent, a microbe, it would not be one that's genetically engineered necessarily.
That's number one.
It would be your typical epidemiological factor, a smallpox or something like that.
And it could be controlled.
Yes, there would be an epidemic for a while, but it would be controlled.
The science fiction scenarios are just that.
The genetically engineered organisms really would not take us all out.
Having said that, however, you can take something like anthrax, okay, and you can tweak it in a certain way so that it is more effective It's much more of a toxicological and infective agent.
Well, in what sense?
In other words, as far as I knew, you would absorb it with your skin, for example.
The stuff they got in Washington, some absorbed through their skin, some was inhaled.
It took very little, apparently, but both of those ways... No, it isn't absorbed through the skin.
It has to go through a cut.
Or inhaled.
Particularly inhaled, too.
And what you can do is essentially put it in a vat, and just like you breed a dog, Make a strain that's very, very infective.
And you can also manipulate the strain so that if you had, let's say, a vaccine for the weapon that you were developing, you could tweak the molecular end where the last peptide group is, the thing that sticks out like a locking key, pokes into the proteins in your body and yourself.
You could tweak that so that a vaccine against smallpox or anthrax would not work.
Oh my god, do you believe that Iraq might have the scientists capable of that kind of manipulation?
No, but what they have is the former Soviet scientists that did that, and so that's what they have.
Well then they've got it.
Uh, yes, I would assume that they do.
And so, I mean, here we just went through a big national thing about smallpox vaccine.
Even the First Lady, I heard her on the radio saying, I wouldn't be afraid to have my children get their smallpox vaccinations.
And then I hear later warnings, days later, oh, it would be dangerous of one in so many would die and all the rest of it.
And they're talking about possibly vaccinating the entire country.
And you're telling me they've got something that would ignore that vaccination altogether?
Smallpox is a very infective disease and it spreads rapidly.
So I wouldn't use smallpox against the U.S.
I would use anthrax and one that was genetically manipulated because we don't have an anthrax vaccine.
And particularly, we wouldn't have time to develop a vaccine against a new form of anthrax.
I can't go into too much detail about this because there are still some things that are classified.
Well, let's see.
You were last actively doing this work.
When?
Up until 1991.
So, they've had since 1991 to refine and modify and make even more horrible whatever it is they were doing that you knew about then?
Or have you gone back and have you remote viewed, have you looked and checked in any way on what kind of progress in the biological world there's been?
Let me say this, the natural-occurring microbes are far more dangerous these days than any man-made factor for two reasons.
One, global warming.
For instance, a one degree or six degree temperature rise in an area, or even a few degrees temperature rise in an area, the ergot that we were talking about, it produces six times as many spores for a few degrees rise in temperature Plus, north and south, the north side of the world, south side of the world, Ed, we have scientists drilling into the ice, trying to recover, and in fact, recovering microbes thousands of years old, I read a story just the other day, add a little water and a little heat, and voila, they come alive.
And so we've got global warming doing slowly, or maybe not so slowly, what those scientists are doing as well, uncovering all of these things, That probably ought to stay covered up.
Well, two points.
One, the naturally occurring organisms that have evolved naturally over long periods of time are far more virulent.
Far more virulent.
Far more virulent than anything that man can make.
Because when you make, when you tweak something, when you genetically engineer it, it's okay for a while.
But then it reverts back to its natural state.
Think of dogs.
Really?
Oh yeah.
Yeah, it's not viable for too long.
And even certain organisms out in the sunlight are denatured in 30 minutes. Anthrax, for instance, you put
them in the sun, in bright sunlight in 30 minutes, the peptide bonds are broken by the
ultraviolet rays of the sun. However, if you keep them in the shade or under the
ground, they are viable for a thousand years or more. So sunlight is important. But think
of if you genetically engineer an organism and you tweak it and it's not natural, I'm sure
human clones may be the same way.
Think of the dog.
If you stop breeding dogs, dogs would revert back to their natural state, probably the dingo dog and the wolf with the two primal breeds.
They're not viable anymore.
So when you tweak something that is a naturally occurring microbe, it's going to revert back to its less virile state.
For a while, it'll be very virile.
There are biological agents and agents of biological origin, for instance toxins, that are extremely viable.
This nation in 1972, when it unilaterally abandoned its offensive biological warfare program, had a couple of toxins that were extremely effective.
I'm not talking about the parrot fever that we used in the Korean War.
I'm talking about something far, far more drone than that.
At the picogram levels per cubic meter, there, it would go through you like stuff through a goose.
And we did not use that, but other nations know about those things.
It scared us so badly that we essentially signed treaties to stop doing it?
That kind of thing?
Well, it was getting close to developing a doomsday machine.
I mean, there's a point that's reached where Things that you're making are nonsensical, because if they get loose, you yourself don't have defenses against it.
Well, if you've got some hungry Russian scientists, Ed, and you get them to Iraq and you begin to help them lead the high life for a while, and you want them to develop something really awful, presumably they would have the expertise to do that.
And they'll compunction not to.
I've debriefed many Russian defectors.
I mean, is this really... I've been trying to figure out, Ed, no one's told me exactly why we're about to go to war.
If they've got something of this magnitude, then I understand why we're about to go to war.
If that's true, then why don't they tell us?
We're about to go to war because the Iraqi government will continue to foster terrorism, so we've got to put a clamp on it.
That's why we're going to do it.
And yes, they do have biologicals.
But I don't think... and they would use them.
The intent to use them is why we're about to go to war.
Alright, hold it right there.
Yeah, the intent to use them.
That can be discerned from the history of their having used them.
Would they hesitate to turn them loose on us, the most hated country in the world, from their point of view?
Probably not for a second.
Could they get somebody across our porous borders to set something loose?
Probably so.
Maybe that's why we're about to go to war.
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And a bit of a warning, some of this is going to be very...
Very scary stuff.
Some of it perhaps very, very real.
And so if you can't handle that kind of stuff, or if there's kids around, do the adult thing and turn the radio off.
That may even apply to you.
Ed Dames, back in a moment.
All right, for somebody who was in charge of this aspect, obviously anything else you can tell us about bioweapons?
I mean, you're right, the Iraqis have proven that they will use this, they did so on the Kurds, and if you will use it on the Kurds, then surely you will use it on the all-hated United States of America.
Aren't they used chemical weapons on the Kurds?
Yeah, well, but yeah, I know, but mass killing is mass killing, and the intent is there, so if they'll do that kind of thing to the Kurds, why not us?
As long as it's not attributable to them, because there's hell to pay.
Hell to pay.
Well, you know, maybe there's more common sense prevailing in Iraq than we give them credit for, but I mean, on a regular basis, people from that part of the world are blowing themselves up in Israel just to kill.
Suicide to kill.
Suicide to kill.
I mean, that carries a message.
Willing to die to kill.
So, I guess it makes a difference who's in charge there, eh?
It does.
It does.
So, that's the kind of thing we should beware of, the more natural things that are given perhaps a little extra twist, something like that?
Well, in terms of microbes, we're talking nuclear terrorism, that's one thing, but in terms of microbes and biological warfare, right now, The problem is with the natural outbreak of nature striking back, or nature's response or reaction to ecological collapse.
That's the problem that we face right now.
That's really interesting.
Let me tell you why that's so interesting, Ed, because last night I had Sylvia Brown on.
Sylvia Brown's a psychic, a very good psychic, and normally she's really an upbeat gal.
And last night, you know what she said?
I listened to two hours of that.
You know what she said?
She said that this Earth is, in fact, striking back.
That's exactly what it's doing right now.
And she said something else, Ed, that I want to take up with you.
And she said that at some point, there's something, some wall that she can't see past, Ed.
And to her, it means it's the end of time.
That stopped me in my tracks, because that's the same thing that I've been telling my... I have a professional team, a world-class team of remote viewers.
It's the same thing you've told us?
That there was this call?
It's that word itself, but the word itself.
It's the same word I've used, and that was independent of me at the end of time.
And that's what I've been saying in the last few weeks to my crew.
All right.
I feel it's the end of time.
When she said that, I was really enjoying listening to her.
I don't necessarily agree with everything, but she's very enjoyable to listen to.
Ray from Trenton, New Jersey says, Happy Holidays.
Time.
Will it end?
Did it ever begin?
Is there a present, past, future, or just an eternal here and now that's always been and always will be?
What does Ed Dames see when he remote views the concept of time?
What does he see happening on the Earth a thousand years from now?
What does he see happening on the Earth a million years from now?
And the answer is, you also hit some kind of wall?
I'm not worried about a million or 50,000 or five years from now.
We're looking at 2003.
As far as I'm concerned, the bridge is out of hit.
That's why it was enjoyable to listen to Sylvia until she said that.
Now, that struck a really responsive chord because I had planned on a national workshop tour, teach a remote viewing.
I have three months I don't have any workshops planned past March because something wicked this way comes.
I do not feel... Middle of the year?
Yes, Art.
In fact, that's barely... it's not even related to the middle of the year.
That's March.
Well, I stopped in March because I want to dig in personally and just dig in.
I feel that one thing, just one thing, although we're facing a confluence of events, I was going to call this program Bell's Hells, for whom the bell tolls, because it's pretty grim, as far as I'm concerned.
For years, I've been stating that the next nuclear weapon that will be used in anger will be on the Korean Peninsula.
I'm well aware, yes.
I think it's this year.
People say, oh, no, it's over the Kashmir issue and it's in South Asia.
Uh-uh.
No, it's standby, the North Korean thing.
And the Chinese have a lot to gain by the Koreans doing that.
They don't necessarily have a sub-Rosa agreement to support it, but they have a lot to gain by North Korea popping a nuke.
I know you've been saying this for years.
Years now.
And why do the Chinese have a lot to gain?
You would think the disruption of their own region would be something they'd want to prevent.
It won't be disrupted.
What will happen is you'll probably have a use of one weapon.
We'll have a ground war, the start of a ground war in Korea.
I think the scenario that I see is that the North Koreans will pop a nuclear weapon near the DMZ, which is far enough away from mainland China so that it won't be too damaging to mainland China, but extremely damaging to the Korean Peninsula.
Militarily effective, because it is a peninsula.
And so, our response, of course, would be the desire to use nuclear weapons in response, but we won't.
Because if you look at the proximity of North Korea to China, there is no way the Chinese would allow us to use a nuclear weapon.
That's a good point.
So that would mean it would have to be a ground war.
And the North Koreans are not the Iraqis.
We would be the American soldier.
We're not necessarily Pillsbury Doughboys, but we're awful soft compared to the North Koreans.
Those people are solid rock.
We will lose a lot of American GIs in a ground war there.
It's going to have to be a ground war.
The Chinese are not going to allow us to use nuclear weapons there.
Japan isn't that far away either.
They will beg us not to use them either.
This is the opportunity, when we're caught up in a ground war there, when we invade North Korea, for the Chinese to take Taiwan.
And they'll do it.
Yeah, they would.
I'm sure there'd be some behind the scenes quid pro quo to that effect.
I can imagine that, actually.
Yeah.
Politically.
There'll be an agreement.
Go ahead and take it.
To avoid war with China.
That's the way it is.
That will be a sub-Broza agreement.
You know, I really can see that happening.
I really can see that happening.
And you think that's going to be this year?
Yeah, I do, Art.
I actually do.
What gives you the confidence that you don't normally have regarding timelines to say you think it's that close?
What led you there?
Well, we can't do it using remote viewing necessarily.
We could look at the nearest event, and we have, but all we get is war in the Mideast.
So that's too spread out as an event.
It's just, if you look at the way things are going right now, it's tactically very sound for China to push North Korea.
And North Korea is primed to use the one and a half weapons that they have at this juncture.
They're mad as Bismayers.
And it's a perfect timing.
Because you know, once we finish up in Iraq, we're going to go right to North Korea.
Why should they wait for that to happen?
I wouldn't.
If you were Kim Jong-un, would you wait?
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do that at all.
I'd wait until we were caught up and we were using all our inventory of cruise missiles up in the Iraqi war.
And then I'd start a ground war on the Korean Peninsula.
And when Americans were engaged, then I would use a weapon.
Do you have any sense, let's just pull back for a second, we're obviously about to go to war.
With Iraq.
We're about to go to war.
Do you have any sense of how this is going to unfold?
I mean, there are so many worries about the spread of the whole mess in the Middle East once that begins.
And I'm not so sure that some people we think are on our side are really on our side.
Superficially, perhaps.
But, you know, I think that one thing, I don't have a sense, it's too complex for me to get a grasp on, even as a remote viewer.
It's too complex, this situation, the geopolitical situation.
But I do see it as the catalyst for an economic collapse in the United States.
That, I do see.
Well, that could be underway right now.
Correct.
And this will catalyze that.
You predicted that, of course, as well.
In fact, here, the second part of this same email says, please inquire of the Major about further remote viewing into the collapse of our nation's economy.
I've been really concerned about this since his last visit.
So, yeah, our economy seems a lot more fragile than I thought that it was, Ed.
You know, I say that after the 9-1-1 disaster.
You know, America used to shake this kind of thing off, even something as awful as 9-1-1.
But, I mean, it put a dent in the economy, and that dent is becoming a big dent.
Right.
The printing presses are running as fast as they can right now.
Yeah.
But we're going to burn them up, and there's going to be nothing left to print anymore.
This will stretch us so thin.
I mean, look at California.
Right now, I'm in the City of Angels.
I go back to To the island of Doom tomorrow morning, Sandwich Island.
And by the way, there's no longer any excuse for you, now that you're pulling the plug, for you and Ramona not to come and visit Vivian and I in Sandwich Island.
That may well occur anyway.
As you know, my wife was born in Hawaii, and so we definitely will visit.
I'll show you my lair.
Your lair, huh?
That place where you're going to just Well, it's going to affect everybody.
The entire world is going to suffer on this one.
This is catastrophic.
I agree with Sylvia Brown.
It's so big.
It's so very big.
There's something almost supernatural ahead.
It's so very big.
Almost supernatural.
Yes.
This is not just like World War II or World War I. It's not just like World War II.
There's something else out there.
A lot of people are saying something may be approaching the planet, Ed.
It isn't just that either, Art.
It isn't just the physical Nibiru coming in or something like that.
It's something I can't grasp.
My colleagues and I are actually acting on that information.
We're doing something else that deals with Project Starman, which was a success.
I'll talk about that later in the show.
I wanted to mention that to you before you pull the plug.
Project Starman was a success.
In fact, we think that it's very important.
A success?
In what way?
Yeah, contact.
Let's hear a little bit about that.
You and I both share one interest, and that's UFOs.
We both love the area.
It's so fascinating.
Of course.
You can imagine that if you have a tool, a team of world-class remote viewers, you're certainly going to turn your attention to that, and we have.
But because we have limited resources, what do we look at?
Over the years, the last seven years or so that I've been on your show, we've talked about many, many things that remote viewers have looked at vis-a-vis the UFO ET phenomena, right?
What I did was, about five or six years ago, I was invited to Germany to speak at a UFO conference.
In fact, at that conference, I busted Ray Santilli's alien autopsy scam.
But at that conference, John Mack was there.
I have a lot of respect for John Mack.
He has really stuck his neck out.
He's an amazing man.
Yes.
Well, there was one thing at that conference that was worth the price of admission.
It was worth me traveling to Germany for.
Dr. Mack had a video of an event that happened in a school in Zimbabwe.
He went there himself to interview the children.
The school is called Ariel School in Rua, Zimbabwe.
On the 16th of September 1994, during I think a lunch break at a school, the kids who were 8 to 12 walked off a basketball court and left the older kids behind.
The older kids didn't think much of it.
These kids took off into the brush, about 20 of them, and they came back with an amazing story.
It's just yet one of those myriad UFO stories, but this one really struck a responsive chord in me because it was children.
The children reported and sketched, and John Mack interviewed each one of them.
That interview was on film, but I think the parents would not allow the release of the film, so it never really made it out into the public.
Can you relate the contents roughly?
Yes.
The children said there was a saucer-shaped thing in the trees and there were four or five entities that they saw standing there.
The kids were mesmerized by this, afraid and yet attracted, magnetized in place.
And they heard telepathically a message.
The message was that each was interviewed independent of another.
They didn't mutually corroborate their stories.
They were taken aside and interviewed independently.
Each of the children said that these entities telepathically communicated a message that
said they were very sad and that our planet is dying and that if we don't take steps now
the planet will die.
You know, sort of a typical story, UFO abduction experience story.
Yeah, well they're beginning to get to be awfully similar all around the world right
now.
Well, what we did...
was concentrate only on this event instead of spreading ourselves thin
and looking at all of this various and sundry phenomena we looked only at this event. So you used this as a point
for contact?
We used it as a reference point to study because we were interested
in the source.
First of all, we don't take reports at face value because many times it's an illusion.
You get the who's the boss pulling strings and that's what's out there really is illusory.
We'll talk more about that when I talk about the Roswell incident later.
In this case, we wanted to know what the source of that contact, the agency or the source behind that event.
What was the source behind the message?
That's what my top guns and I went after.
What was the source?
Because our desire was to elicit and to maintain contact with that source, and then get a very prominent person in Hollywood, whose name I will not mention, who is very well respected, to actually film the contact.
To look at the protocols for establishing and maintaining contact with the source, whatever they may be.
A higher intelligence, that's for sure.
And to film it.
A very credible source.
So that's what we're doing now.
Holy mackerel.
And then to take that message again, to see if there's any more to that message, or any more whatever, and to have a prominent filmmaker portray that message to the public.
No screenplay writer.
This message, though, you're convinced is the real thing?
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter whether it is or not.
These entities, this agency is higher intelligence.
They can do whatever they want to us.
And you know what the world's facing?
We're on an eve of destruction here.
You might as well go to a higher intelligence and see if they have any ideas and maybe even ask for some help.
Who cares what they are?
What have we got to lose?
Well, if that's true, nothing.
That's right.
We might have something to gain.
They might say, oh, glad you asked.
Here, we'll neutralize your atomic weapons or something like that.
I don't know.
I don't know what to expect here.
We know a lot about... How much information do we have on the path to destruction unless there's change?
I mean, how sure of that part are we?
I'm not sure about anything anymore.
All I know is that I feel the same way Sylvia Brown does.
There's so much happening so fast.
That statement, the end of time, that just stopped me in my tracks.
It's allegorically and metaphorically the way I feel.
And it's totally, I mean, it's totally out of character for Sylvia.
I mean, is it?
Oh, yeah.
Totally out of character.
I know he likes her.
Well, she's liked by millions, you know, for the psychic work she does.
She sounds like salt of the earth.
But I'll tell you something.
She's never come close to saying the kind of thing that she said last night about the end of time, never.
Yeah, it really caught me.
So, you're saying through Starman, really the same message is there, the exact same message, perhaps in a slightly different form, but pretty damn close if you ask me.
Well, our goal is to recontact the source behind that.
All right Ed, hold on.
We're at the top of the hour.
But we wanted film by a very respectable filmmaker so that the film can be disseminated to people
and everybody will be aware of it so you don't have to use me or someone else as a medium
so that it's available to everyone and then we can assess it corporately.
All right Ed, hold on.
We're at the top of the hour.
Major Ed Dames is my guest and you just heard a little bit about Project Starman.
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One more time around with Major Ed Dames.
Good morning everybody, I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
This is serious stuff we're into tonight as usual with Ed.
More of it in a moment.
Back now to Major Ed Ames.
Major, this contact, where do you imagine this contact may lead?
Where may you go with it?
My best guess about what we're contacting is our progenitors, the gardeners.
The gardeners?
For all intents and purposes, I think they're our progenitors.
I think they're the ones who planted us here.
Planted us here.
So, you know, essentially it's the 2001 Space Odyssey scenario where the monolith and the... You're looking at technologies that are nominally 100 million years ahead of us.
Technology is a misnomer in that regard.
So they're technically our creators.
I think that they are.
I actually feel that way.
Now, that doesn't negate the concept of a creator.
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
The crater is much further away in eternity.
These are kind of like middlemen, so to speak.
Who knows what they are?
But I feel that we have at least remote viewing data to suggest that they are our progenitors and they haven't been manipulating life on Earth.
They have in the past, especially in the Rift Valley.
Boy, there's something to think about, that we're nothing but a big crop.
Well, I think we're pretty important to them.
I mean, it's more possibly like a parent-child relationship more than a crop, but I don't know that for sure.
That's better.
I think that if that's the case, then it's time to get the keys back.
The keys of the kingdom or the keys of the car or whatever you want to say.
Hey, Dad, take them back.
I think it's time for intervention, but we may have to ask for intervention before they They take them back themselves.
Do you have any idea of why that would be?
Why we would have to ask for intervention?
I mean, a parent seeing its child floundering or even dying is going to usually act immediately.
No, I don't know.
I don't know if we have to ask for intervention, but, you know, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I don't know what the agenda is.
I don't know what their agenda is.
I do know that we are successful in establishing contacts.
Are we doing something right?
In the past, when I've had high-level scientists out at sites, we've got nothing more than flybys, things punching through into this atmosphere, flying by and punching back out.
But this time, it's very different.
That's why we want it filmed.
Corporately, people in the world can judge The data for themselves and make up their own minds rather than having it mediated by somebody like me or you.
Would you take the responsibility yourself to ask for intervention if you get that opportunity?
This agency, these entities, can read you.
They can read everything.
They can see ahead in time.
They already know what your intent is.
You don't have to ask anything.
No, but you I have to ask.
Your current state of thinking, what I asked you was, Uh, given the opportunity, Ed, would you ask for intervention?
I'd ask for help.
I'd just call it help.
I mean, that's all I would say.
That's also interesting because last night Sylvia said something about exactly that, that there would not be direct intervention, but at some point after something happened, after something happened, Then we might be able to get some assistance.
That's really interesting.
I think we have to display a higher degree of wisdom.
Over the last 20 years of looking at this phenomenon, with both the military team and my higher level civilian team, our capabilities now are much more refined than they were 20 years ago.
The idea is that this system out there, this control system, is not going to deal with inferior types.
They're going to deal only with a higher level of wisdom.
Think of the parables that Christ talked about.
Why did Christ speak allegedly in parables?
Why couldn't he just lay it on the line?
Some people would say, I don't know what he said.
Do you understand?
No, I don't understand.
I was just here for the fish, or whatever.
But others, there would be a few folks who would just lie in bed and awake trying to figure out what he meant, knowing that it was important.
I think that's the conundrum that the UFO problem presents.
It presents itself as nonsense, total nonsense.
I mean, I could go back in Ufology and point out some of the most nonsensical things, but this is the Wizard of Oz pulling whistles and bells.
Behind that is a control system that wants us to figure it out, otherwise it would hide.
It's not.
It's projecting illusions and nonsense.
So this thing, this consciousness tool that is my stock in trade now, thanks to the taxpayers of the United States who paid to have remote viewing turn into a skill, that has enabled us to get behind the curtain and look at the wizard, tap the wizard on the shoulder allegorically and say, excuse me, we see you, and now the agenda changes, the picture changes, what do you do now when you're Your kid, when you play hide-and-go-seek and your kids find you.
So, you'll be, in other words, this is the road you're now pursuing.
Contact.
That's almost 80%.
I stopped teaching professional courses.
I'm only teaching workshops now once a month.
Again, for the next three months, Portland, Albuquerque, and Seattle.
It's interesting.
I got an email from one of your students who said, boy, you're hard on your students.
But he said he deserved it, that you picked up a paper And made a disparaging comment about some of his work.
He said you're a tough taskmaster, but he had good things to say.
You know, he was at one of your... Workshops.
Yes.
Not a professional career.
I'm just as tough in the workshops as I am.
I mean, I can't teach you how to run with the big dogs in the workshops, but I sure as heck am going to make sure that you don't leave until you get the skills down, because if my students in the workshops fail, it's my fault.
I'm not theirs.
I'm a bad teacher.
I'm going to make sure.
They represent the skill.
They can lead with the skills.
Very interesting.
We have workshops in Portland, Albuquerque, and Seattle.
You thought you were a very good teacher.
I mean, he did say that, but he said you were tough.
Listen, let me just shift course for a moment here on a few other things that I definitely want to cover.
Recently, Ed, I think certainly since the last time you were on, There was this big brouhaha up in Albany, New York, a reporter, you know, for a television station.
This was the damnedest thing.
He was doing some sort of interview and he caught, not visually when he did the videotaping, but later when they looked back at it, they caught something on film that appeared to some to be maybe a missile.
Now, I took one look at it, and in just a fraction of a second, mentally, I knew damn well it was not a missile, something I guess the FBI or whoever confirmed.
It wasn't a missile, but it was something.
And there's no question about what it was.
It was a rod.
It was a classic rod.
I mean, it was not something you had to imagine.
I talked to Jose Escamilla, who believes these are living creatures, you know, sharing the Earth with us.
And there's no question about what that was.
Absolutely, that was a rod.
Duh!
I mean, people talk about other things.
It was a rod.
You know, and I know crazy as that sounds, even the concept of rods, I'm familiar enough with the videotape and Jose's stories and plenty of photographs and video footage to know exactly what I was looking at.
Sure, it was a rod.
And I know you've done some looking into rods, haven't you?
I have indeed, yes.
I find them fascinating.
No, but because we would have never turned our remote viewing skills on to them unless somebody pointed it out, because you can't look at everything.
That's right.
And so our cameras, modern day cameras, pick these things up.
What are they?
And I also felt that they were simply living creatures that evolved here alongside everything else, but some different phylum.
I even had a name for it.
I called them Eolium.
But it turns out They're more interesting than one might think.
They're not just a new phylum on Earth.
They're not just another living thing.
If you were a control system, and you were trying to control a population, and tweak them, and get them to do what you want, or at least monitor them, you have to have monitoring devices, don't you?
Of course.
What rods are, are technology.
They're living technology.
They have adapted behavior by design.
They have a nesting spot on Middle Caicos Island in the Caribbean.
And if you set your cameras up there, it looks like a beehive.
Really?
Yeah, they park themselves.
They're called a nest.
But they actually belong to this control system.
And they're everywhere.
They're essentially spies.
They gather intelligence.
They gather information.
They look all over the darn Earth.
But these are living things?
They're living things.
Are they designed living things?
Yes, they're designed.
They're not an evolved life form.
They're a designed life form.
I know you think.
Let's say you have a civilization that's nominally 100 million years ahead of us.
This is not a problem to make something like this, Art, especially when I tell you about the Roswell event, what went down there.
You'll see that making something like a rod that gathers intelligence is not a problem.
Ah, Ed, what sort of entity manufactured these to gather the intelligence?
I don't know about entity, but the intelligence is passed to a subterranean location on Mars, on the planet Mars, and that's the fusion center, if you will.
Fusion center is the term we used to use in intelligence, where all the information comes and is collected and analyzed, right?
Beneath the surface of Mars?
Yes.
That projection booth that I talked about in the past, that sort of...
It transmits a signal, like a physical mass accumulator.
It transmits a pattern and puts things together.
I'll elaborate upon that.
Well, you've been talking about below the surface of Mars now, also, for years.
Very active.
It relates to all of that.
Yeah.
The surface below there, that is an action center.
It transmits things, the perimetal UFOs that we see in the sky.
I mentioned that in the last show.
We'll go over that again, too, because it has a bearing upon the Roswell Incident.
The final word I have on the Roswell Incident is connected with a subterranean projection booth on Mars, and also a fusion center.
This is perhaps totally irrelevant, or maybe it's not irrelevant, but I could swear I've seen rods in peripheral vision.
And you know something?
I mention that because earlier tonight, Ed, before the program, I was standing near the doorway to my room and I've got a computer immediately to my right and I noticed the damnedest thing and that is when I was looking straight ahead not trying to see the computer to the side or the monitor I should say but looking straight ahead I began to see the flicker rate of the monitor in my peripheral vision and I said
Wow!
This is really something!
And I called Ramona in, and she could see it herself.
Not when you look straight at the monitor.
It looks okay.
Right.
But in peripheral vision, I could begin to see the flicker rate.
Kind of the way you see the flicker rate if it's not set high enough.
With a video camera, you know, trying to take a picture of a monitor, you'll either see a bar or you'll see the flicker rate or whatever.
But I've never seen it with my own eyes until I caught it with peripheral vision.
And it's almost like you can see slightly a higher frequency in your peripheral vision.
And I wonder if that is What occasionally lets you think you've seen something going very fast, like a rod?
Well, the TV, it could have been a beep frequency, a reflection of something else in the room that allowed you to do that.
I'm not sure.
Birds can see rods.
Sometimes you'll take a picture of a bird.
I'm an avid bird watcher.
Sometimes a bird will just look at something in the sky.
You swing your binoculars and there's nothing there.
And it will track it and then go back to doing whatever it's doing.
Ditto, I think, for cats.
Probably.
But a bird has to react pretty fast.
Cats have to react quickly, because they catch birds.
That's right, yes, that's right.
But you'll see cats frequently, you know, chase briefly something imaginary, and there's nothing at all to have caused that motion.
There's nothing that the humans saw that moved quickly at all, but the cats saw it.
And I've seen that a million times with cats, because I've got them, so... That's because they're genetically disenfranchised.
A genetically disenfranchised?
They're insane.
Cats are insane.
Oh, well, yeah, actually.
Sometimes they truly are, yes.
It's true.
Sometimes cats are.
They act in an insane manner.
It's definitely true.
Let's talk about this Roswell then.
Yeah, let's.
You say you've got the definitive word on Roswell.
The final word.
As far as I'm concerned.
Oh, you do, huh?
The final word.
All right.
It's been a bugbear for us for a long time, because the technologies involved, it really was an alien event.
I mean, it wasn't a weather balloon or anything else like that.
Many reasonable people will agree there's something alien behind it.
Well, as remote viewers, as skilled remote viewers, we knew that too, but we couldn't figure it out, because it's just so difficult to figure out.
And the problem was, when you remote view the location of any debris or wreckage, You cannot find it.
You know the famous picture, right?
Of the General kneeling down on the little sort of aluminum foil and junk on the floor.
They have this thing on Fox.
I hope you saw it, Ed.
No, I don't watch television.
I'll be on television on a special about missing children this year, but I don't watch it.
Okay, but here's my point.
They decoded what the General was holding in his hand.
That was a You know, a sort of a disinformation photo op.
However, they digitally enhanced the message that the General was holding in his hand, and guess what, Ed?
It confirmed what we have all thought about Roswell.
It used the word victims, some kind of bodies.
It had in it this message he was holding in his hand, the word disk and recovered and victims and stuff like that.
All kinds of things that they found in this message.
The General was holding.
There was stuff on the ground.
I'm going to attest to that.
There was a lot of stuff on the ground, and there was an impact, okay?
So I'll be the first one to say yes.
But I will tell you right now, to preface what I'm going to say, there is nothing, not a single thing, except now, today, except for the marks that were left on the ground.
There is no physical evidence, and you will never find it.
For the following reasons.
This projection booth on Mars?
Yes.
It, again, can project a template onto, into the Earth's atmosphere.
Probably anywhere.
A template?
A template.
Think of a hologram.
Yes, right.
Instead of just projecting an image, a holographic image into the atmosphere, Think of that image capable of collecting carbon atoms and oxygen and nitrogen in the air and assembling them into something solid.
Okay?
In other words, you create a tool at a distance, a remote tool, and you tweak your transmitter to make anything you want.
A big foot, a pyramid-shaped UFO, an alien standing somewhere, whatever.
And it has mass and weight, and so it leaves tracks in the ground.
If you shoot it, pieces come off of it, those kinds of things, right?
Yes.
But if you turn your projector off, it vanishes.
It goes away.
It goes away.
As we will for a second here.
Bottom of the hour.
Major Ed Dames is my guest.
And he's talking about conduct.
And he's talking about what happened at Roswell.
We'll continue with that in a moment.
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This is a bit like the Matrix when you think about it.
The creation of something tangible that's as real as it can be while it's being projected.
And then suddenly in a flash, it's gone.
Once again, here's Major Ed Dames.
So, from beneath the surface of Mars, things are projected.
Things, all kinds of things, that we put into a sort of a paranormal category.
From Bigfoot, to UFOs, to other things that, like Quicksilver, are gone.
Can be caught by cameras, but like Quicksilver, they're gone.
Without a trace.
And so, you're saying they're created.
There's a physical mass accumulation at the point of projection.
At the projection booth, you can program the projector to transmit anything you want.
You can imagine the effect down here.
We know what the effects are.
There's a good analogy when British explorers, earlier in the last century, Anthropologists took motion picture projectors into Africa.
Is it like teleportation?
In other words, are the original materials, let's say, on Mars?
Negative.
No?
No, there is no exchange of materials.
What happens here in the atmosphere is where this thing is pointed.
There's a coagulation, an accumulation of carbon or nitrogen, oxygen, whatever the thing is doing.
Physical atoms come together, stick together, as long as the matter is maintained.
So the materials actually come from here?
Yes, yes.
They come right out of the atmosphere.
Lots of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen.
Of course.
Put them together somehow, make a solid thing out of it, smash it into the ground, make a green or gray alien, whatever you want.
And you'd stoop over and it looks at you and it could be, you know, but it's not going to be there.
It's going to evaporate or melt like ice.
All right.
Let's assume for a second this is so.
What possible motivation could there be for the creation of these Quicksilver-like wonderment items here on Earth?
Why do this, Ed?
I think over the last 20 years of studying this and chasing it around the desert and various places hither and yon and having some degree of success in terms of Contact.
I think it's to keep us looking up.
It presents itself so that it's purposely as a conundrum in the hopes that we can find out what's behind it.
Evidently it can't land on the White House lawn or there's some type of prime directive.
It's like one of the parables that Christ said.
He just didn't say what he meant.
He spoke in a parable to force people to think.
And to look behind the words at the meanings.
Project Blue Book hypotheses, they didn't work.
None of them panned out.
Here's a prime example.
Sally in Tacoma says, would you please ask Ed if he's investigated crop circles in relation to what he's referred to as our progenitors.
The same device.
It projects a sphere.
The sphere is a tool.
The tool does a job and it disappears.
But the same motivation.
The same motivation that keeps us looking up.
Well, that sure does a job.
Otherwise, we keep looking down, and we look at this sheet metal with rubber things that go around and around, and we become materialists.
It keeps us looking up, looking out at the stars.
Well, some of us, anyway.
It's the mystery and the wonder.
Otherwise, we just become solid materialists.
It's a little note from Dad saying, hey, we're out here.
You might have a point there.
That's pretty interesting, to keep us looking up, to keep us thinking about things otherwise that we would eventually just discard.
I mean, look how the system, look how it's shape-shifted in the last, since the 1940s.
It starts out with saucers, and that gets old after a while.
If it was just saucers, people would look up and say, oh, it's just those again.
But then it shape-shifts into periminal things, and The Greens and Reptilians and Greys and all these kinds of things out there, I'm not saying that there aren't entities that look like that, but there's all kinds of vehicles and shapes and sizes and cylinders and a whole menagerie of stuff out there that's nonsensical.
And things that happen that are seemingly nonsensical, from crop circles to animal mutilations to People's claimed abductions to you name it.
I mean all of these things seem to happen.
I mean taken collectively, obviously something really is going on.
Taken collectively, it's undeniable.
And it's forcing us to develop a higher intelligence, a higher level of intelligence to figure it out.
What I'm suggesting to you is that this tool, this thing called remote viewing is a primal first step in looking at the consciousness behind
the phenomenon, pulling the curtain back on the wizard and finding it. We approach it first
with its essence. What is this entity?
What is this agency in terms of consciousness? Who are they that way? And then they meet
us in the material world. You certainly have taken remote viewing, Ed,
to a place that no other remote viewers have dared go.
I mean, how did that happen to you?
How did that transition occur?
I mean, most of the remote viewers out there are viewing bridges and bombs and, you know, gas canisters, whatever, what you did before.
They're still essentially doing that kind of thing.
But the area that you moved into is so different.
I mean, how did that happen?
The bait, they got me.
The bait got me.
I was attracted just like a moth to a flame.
The mystery out there, it captured me.
This puzzle, it did the job.
It attracted me.
This UFO phenomenon, I wanted to figure it out.
It's such a mystery.
It's so attractive.
The head of the Defense Intelligence Agency's Science and Technology Program, for which I worked, I told him, Would you like to use this to penetrate the UFO phenomenon?
Now, we couldn't because we didn't have a charter to do that.
You don't use U.S.
taxpayer funds to go pursue your hobby necessarily.
That's right.
Yes, right.
You couldn't do that, but you would have loved to have done it.
But we did it under the table.
It's just so fascinating.
What's more fascinating than that to you?
Nothing.
Nothing.
That's it.
All right.
Yeah, so it's the same with me, and now I have a tool to do it.
You know what I'm going to do it in.
I want to know, Ed, if the things that I have investigated all these years and pressed so hard about have substance.
And they do.
I mean, they're obviously real, and as I said earlier, collectively, you'd have to be an idiot to deny that something is happening.
And you're saying that, really, it's happening so that we might continue to consider what is greater than our everyday world and our material objects and all the rest of it.
Yes.
Perhaps even meat or a maker.
Come with me when we go out there and talk.
I'll give you a call one day.
Pick you up.
I have somebody pick you up.
Come with me.
You earned it.
Maybe, Ed.
You never know.
The world holds a lot of things ahead.
So maybe this is a possible answer to all of this.
What is under the surface of Mars, Ed?
It's a system.
I don't know how else to explain it.
It's both.
There are sentient machines and robots and there appears to be a type of a life form there, but is the life form created like rods or not?
I just don't know.
I know it's the cutting edge of a higher intelligence.
This whole thing may be programmed and whatever left it behind Maybe somewhere far away or maybe this thing got out of control.
And there are many, many people I've interviewed, Richard Hoagland certainly and others, who just are screaming bloody murder about what's on Mars.
And they believe that NASA and that our government and other governments, it would have to be so, know a whole lot more about Mars than they're willing to say and that they're willing to have us know.
Many people believe and hope that we're close to some sort of revelation about it, but they think that there's... I mean, they're discovering, Ed, in infrared photography, cities.
I mean, if you look at it, it's hard to deny.
It almost looks like cities on Mars.
My team knows that, minimally, there's at least one artificial structure there.
I don't know about the city, because we haven't had time to look, but there's at least one artificial structure.
There was a civilization there, but this control system...
It's not that civilization that's gone.
It is not.
It's not.
It is perhaps their progenitors too.
So I think the only way, I don't know if we'll ever figure this out, but let's meet them on their own terms, no expectations, and instead of see what they can do, let's hear what they have to say.
I use that term figuratively and allegorically perhaps.
Let's do it.
You're pretty sure... We've got contact and let's film it.
You're pretty sure about the clear aspect of the one message that we did get regarding our own future, if nothing changes, or I guess our own future?
All I know is that the people that we're going to, the entities we're going to contact on the ground, in situ, are the source of that message.
That's all that I know.
Now we know a lot about the physicality of it.
It's astounding.
How will you approach them?
How do you imagine communication occurring?
I mean, how do you imagine using what you have to actually communicate?
How?
It's not what we have.
So let's just meet them and see what happens.
How will you approach them?
How do you imagine communication occurring?
I mean, how do you imagine using what you have to actually communicate? How?
It's not what we have. We've determined where they want us to be.
And we've been there before on a reconnaissance and we have communication.
So you're saying that a meeting could be set up?
A CE3, yeah.
Close Encounter of the Third Kind, but this time no screenplay writer.
The real one.
And we film it.
We film it so that the message, whatever happens there, whatever symbolic message or whatever, is on film, on camera, by a very respected filmmaker.
Because politicians and Government officials and military generals are not respected, and they're not believed.
But filmmakers are.
They have a lot of respect.
That's the way that our culture is, and so that's why we want a prominent filmmaker to do this.
Holy mackerel.
So it isn't Ed Dames or Art Bell or somebody else like that, Ed talking.
It's somebody that many people respect and believe.
Do you have any idea when you might make this attempt?
Before summer.
Before time ends.
I mean, it means soon if you...
Probably June.
June?
Yeah, May or June.
Don't you worry that could be too late?
Yes.
We're going out in February, but we won't have the camera crew there, so we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Boy, no small undertaking, Ed.
Starman really did turn into something, didn't it?
Never make little plans.
Never makes little plans.
Speaking of little plans, for people who really want to have fun with remote viewing, I have this mind-dazzle kit that I need to peddle.
Oh, go on.
Yeah, by all means.
The workshops are boot camps.
If you come to one of my workshops, Portland is January 25th to 26th, Albuquerque February 8th to 9th, and Seattle March 1st to the 2nd.
If you enroll in one of those, and we close the doors, you're going to learn remote viewing.
It is a boot camp.
And if you just want to have fun though, Then buy the Mindazzle kit.
There's a two-hour video that comes with it, and I will autograph, as long as my hand holds out, all those Major Doom and Gloom posters.
They're 17 inches by 22 inches, suitable for framing, and I will autograph them and include them free with the kits.
By the way, Ed, someone noticed that the number 666 is there, and they noticed the number 2012.
Mine, somebody's got sharp eyes.
Somebody's got sharp eyes is right.
We use the target reference numbers, a set of target reference numbers for a target.
For instance, Osama bin Laden, we assign two numbers to that.
People in the workshops, Osama bin Laden is dead, by the way.
It's very easy for us to recognize that he's dead, and we teach that in the workshop, how to recognize if a person is dead or alive.
And how would that be?
There's a, when you put your pen on the paper and there's a response to the idea of Osama Bin Laden present time, you produce what we call an ideogram.
An ideogram for a person is a loop, an archetypical loop, and if the loop is broken, the person is not alive.
It's a life form that's broken.
Oh, isn't that interesting.
Yeah, it's just one of many things we teach in the workshop.
So then determination that a person is dead is a relatively easy thing, quick thing to do.
Yes, very, very easy. Very easy indeed.
Sometimes it's sad, I mean, when you're looking for a loved one.
Sure, many times, yeah.
Can I give you these order numbers?
Oh, of course.
So, for Mindazzle, which I have, it's exceptionally well professionally produced.
It's really cool.
And it's a lot of fun.
And, or, for the very serious workshops, are the numbers... They're different.
They're different?
Yeah.
Alright.
It's a 24-hour order line for the Mindazzle kit.
And it comes with a 2-hour video, and it's a beautiful kit.
Right.
It's 1-800-441-8547.
Damn.
And you can also go to the Arts website and pop over to RemoteViewing2003.com and find all this information.
All right.
And then for the workshop, if you want to enroll in one of these boot camps, there's only three left this year.
I hope there'll be more, but I don't know.
The enrollment number is 1-866-607-8439.
For Mindazzle, I'm David.
Correct.
Right?
And for enrollment in the boot camps, and I guess they are tough, the number is 1-866-607-8439.
Correct.
in the boot camps and I guess they are tough.
The number is 1-866-607-8439.
Now, when you come out of remote viewing boot camp, what can you do?
You've got your skills.
You have some skills that go above and beyond the kit.
For instance, if your car was broken and you don't know what it is, you're able to discern what's broken on your car, where something is broken.
You're able to find something in your house that's missing, but not outside, necessarily.
If it's a known area, you can find a missing or a lost thing.
You're able to discern Uh, the nature of events, for instance, at a distance, a coup d'etat or something like that, how many people were involved, those kinds of things.
But for the search problem to find, let's say, the Lost Dutchman Mine or a missing child, you cannot do that in a workshop.
Okay.
uh... but it's not that you can get over to all the all the information by again
by going to remote viewing two thousand three dot com or to our website
and if you're on the net on the web
that'll delegate you take you to where you need to go I know that a lot of people in the audience really desperately want to ask you questions about things that we've talked about in the past and so we will get to the phone lines.
I'll miss you too, although I think we've just arranged to probably see each other for one cause or another, so... Probably two.
Come to the islands, and then we'll go to the other place, too.
Oh, the islands?
That's a lock, Ed.
No problem, we'll come to the islands.
However, I still have the same personal Reluctance, believe it or not, to engage in remote viewing myself, and I've never really been able to put my finger on why, Ed.
I respect that.
Many of my students have asked me, why do you think art is like that?
We've all worked and sat around at lunches and said, gee, maybe it's this and maybe it's that.
You know, I don't know.
Yeah, we've thought about it.
Maybe you just don't want to know things.
Yeah, I mean, the world is broken down that way.
There are a lot of people who would rather be Well, sometimes.
I don't want to know certain things.
For instance, if one of my loved ones was going to become hurt or die, I wouldn't want to know that.
For instance, if one of my loved ones was going to become hurt or die, I wouldn't want
to know that.
But on the other hand, if they had a debilitating disease or something like that, we just had
a world's foremost orthopedic surgeon come to me and ask for help on a disease that could
not be diagnosed.
I'm very happy about that.
Ed, hold on.
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Many believe this song to be an enigma, but if you listen carefully to the words and apply them to, uh, just plain, for example, like remote viewing, all of a sudden, they pop right up and make a lot of sense.
Huh.
The subject of Mars.
Subject of Morris, indeed.
All right, once again, Major Ed Dames.
Major Dames, before we plunge into the phones, coming up momentarily, I wonder if there's anything that you really did want to get in tonight that we haven't yet inserted.
Nothing really, unless you want your clock stopped.
No, leave my clocks alone!
I think I'd like to say thanks to Keith Rowland.
That's about it.
I'd just like to say a word of thanks to Keith for being there for us.
Oh, I have a lot of thanks to give to Keith.
He pioneered all this with me, the website, the radio show together.
We have this really cool CD that is going to summarize and capture as much of the website that's going away as humanly possible.
Keith is offering that, and I suggest people get to the website.
Not to be offered after the 31st.
That's it.
It really ends then, folks.
Thank you.
I wanted to promote that very quickly.
All right, then, Ed.
Here it comes.
On the international line, good morning, or whatever.
You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello, Artis.
Jeff Nierke, yesterday's morning.
I have a question for Ed.
It's basically, I was wondering if he could shed light on the mystery Which is whatever is beneath the ice surface of Europa.
That's a good one, all right.
Ed, beneath the surface of Europa, we know, I guess, it's liquid beneath the ice somewhere.
What else, Ed?
You've had something to say on that before.
Variety of creatures, many of them obviously very different than Earth, and I don't know if any of them are intelligent, but a whole variety of things.
Think of a sponge and a chambered knotless and put them together in sort of a package.
That would be one type of creature there.
What we've done as remote viewers, and of course there's no validation until we get there, we take the idea of the largest living thing in the ocean of Europa On the planet of Europa.
That could be a false premise, and we'll find that out when we use remote viewing.
Because if our sketches and our descriptors show nothing at all, then there's nothing there.
But indeed it does.
And it can only be one.
What do they seem to describe?
When they go after the largest living thing, what do you get?
Again, it's sketches of... You know, I should put some of these sketches on your website.
You should.
It's sketches of... Think of...
And a spiral, a helix, but a spongy, springy type of a thing.
And that's just one creature.
That's the largest one.
But we found many, many others.
How interesting.
Indeed, you know, where there's water, then there's all sorts of things that come with water.
And where there's volcanic venting, there's heat.
And so there's every reason to believe that Europa has what it takes to produce life.
And of course... There's a lot of heat, too, from induction.
Europa has a core that's anything at all like iron.
There's a tremendous magnetic field there because it's next to this big planet, gas giant.
So that generates heat there, too.
Indeed so.
So that would say there's probably life there.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Damslow.
Yeah, hi Art, this is Dave from San Jose, and real quick, I'd just like to thank you for what you've done in the past.
On the call, and thank you for letting me on so many times, but thanks a lot for what you've done, and you mentioned last night with Sylvia that things aren't always what they appear, and so we'll be looking forward to you in the future in some incarnation.
Thanks a lot, and thanks a lot to Ed Daines.
And so my question goes to Ed.
Ed, Mars will be approaching In August, I believe, the closest it's ever been in 50,000 years.
He's right about that.
Does this have any bearing on the fact that we are moving into the Middle East and you see things in the year 2003 where maybe what we're doing in Iraq isn't just coincidence.
Maybe it's designed.
And one other question since Archie's retiring.
Well, that's an awful lot to tackle.
Just, all right, pause for a moment.
I will pause.
Yeah, all right.
Ed?
I don't know.
Maybe it's destiny.
I'm beginning to think that destiny is real.
I mean, fate.
There's a destiny and there's fate.
You may not be able to achieve your destiny.
You know, some fate may take you to the side, but... I don't know about just on Mars being this close, Ed, with what you've said about Mars.
And what you seem to know about Mars, then it's the happenstance of it being closer to Earth than in 50,000 years.
I'm a little bit embarrassed at my ignorance, but I did not know that until you did that commercial.
My eyebrows really went up.
I don't think anything's coincidental now.
This especially is very interesting.
Alright, alright, alright.
One more?
One quick one.
One more for the road.
And the other thing is that you see in your personal life or in others around you that maybe people are feeling something.
Art always mentioned the quickening, and I know that it's very suggestible to people because people will say, well, I've had this foreboding or whatever.
But what I really want to ask you is that have you seen in your circle of influence people who are experiencing Or maybe even acting out in a certain way that would bring to mind to you that something, not only on a geopolitical level, not only Earth changes and things like that, but something deep inside people are changing.
I don't even know if that's... Alright, well that's close enough, Ed.
That's close enough.
Nothing that I could put my finger on.
The first time I noticed something really strange, the thing that caught me again was Sylvia Brown last night on her show when she said the end of time because that really surprised me because that's what I've been telling my students.
I got this feeling like it's the end of time and when she said that it was whoa, that's two of us and that really surprised me.
Other than that though, I haven't noticed anything.
I've been watching for people to have premonitory dreams and premonitions, and that isn't happening either.
I'll tell you though, Ed, the quickening, the title of that book that I wrote, that was not a lightly considered title.
Sure it wasn't.
That was really carefully considered, Ed.
I know that what we're going through now, we're dead into the middle of the quickening.
We're right into the middle of it.
A lot of opportunities for character development.
secret uh... the increase in the frequency of events and the odd events
that are occurring politically socially uh... economically every single stage
that i mentioned they're all well underway
lot of opportunities for character development uh... character development of the east of the rockies you're
on the road major ed gains
well yes it's me Yes, you.
Okay, great.
Art, great show, et cetera, et cetera.
I know you've heard that ad nauseum.
Well, thank you anyway.
Anyway, Mr. Dames, a great pleasure to talk to you.
Listen, I'm sorry about your Dallas show and that it had to be canceled.
Which show was that?
Well, not your show, I'm sorry, your clinic.
Oh, the workshops.
Please cut back on a number of them, yes.
Right.
What I wanted to suggest, Ingo Swann had talked on Art Show one time about how Sanskrit was an incredibly more inherently descriptive language than
English, and that there were certain states of consciousness and certain states of
materiality and even premateriality that could be described utilizing the Sanskrit language.
What I was going to suggest to you is that when you go out to that CE3 site, that you
perhaps take somebody who knows the language so that whatever is imparted to you can be
described to the utmost ability.
My question to you would be, I've read this book, this regards the end of time as you
were talking about it.
I read this book called The Pillar of Celestial Fire.
It was talking about, you know, how towards the end, so to speak, that there might be a raising of consciousness that is put before us, and that there might be something akin to manna, you know, like what in the Bible they call manna, or in the Sanskrit, bhasma.
I just wondered if there was anything like that on your shopping list that we might try to get a hold of so that when things start to happen, something that we could get a hold of to allow us to be more open to whatever spiritual message.
I'll just get off the line and let you answer that.
All right.
That's a big one.
Ed?
I am a simple man.
Honestly, I don't know what's coming.
I don't understand what's coming.
I just feel that we need to arrange.
to meet this control system.
I just feel that it's very important.
I don't have any expectations about that.
Yes, actually I'm driven by the adventure.
I cannot tell a lie.
The adventure itself drives me.
But at the same time, I think there's a role that some of us have to play.
Albeit, adventure is part of that.
There's a role there to orchestrate that meeting.
The people that I take with me and have taken with me in the past, some of the best scientists in the world, and the next time it will be some of the best filmmakers in the world, those are the ones that I need to get there.
But for me, it's the adventure.
I don't understand it.
It's just downright fun.
It is.
I know.
I understand.
It's not worth doing when you get to my age.
It's not worth doing unless it's fun.
I understand to the degree that would I love to participate in the real McCoy, the real first close encounter.
Yeah, I'll be there, Ed.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hello, yeah, my name is Walter from Mount Rainier, Washington.
Yo Walter!
And I was calling to ask Ed if he believes in a dimension of infallibility, not just perfection, but a dimension where you can do nothing wrong.
And the reason I ask is because it seems to me whoever created the story of God and Jesus, Uh, was just trying to show us our own capability of being infallible.
I mean, um, being divine, because, like, uh, Jesus, all he had to do was believe that he was divine because of his father's own, uh, infallibilities, capabilities, and, uh, he was automatically there.
It's like, uh, the AA's believe that, uh... Let me interrupt you.
Okay.
Here's what I believe.
That the more I see, I see a lot, and the more I know, and I know a lot, the more I know that I know nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Every day goes by, the more ignorant I become.
I don't understand a damn thing anymore.
I thought I used to, but I don't understand anything.
So, your premise, your hypothesis, your theory is just as good as any other as far as I'm concerned.
Well, anyway, we see a lot of UFOs up here, and about your projection thing, the closest I came to one was one night a light It was like the moon pulled up in front of me it wasn't it was just a round sphere and it was like a 200 yards above my head and it was just a yellow round like a light and the only way it could have been put there would have been either it was some kind of a light that it just pulled up above my head stopped for about 10 seconds and then shot off but while it was there
It had to be either projected from above or it was a light.
And have you heard of anything like that?
Of course, of course.
For 20 years we've been chasing things like that.
That's why we, you know, and we take things on a case-by-case basis.
We track them back.
Many of them lead to Mars.
Now, there was one exception, one exception, a big exception, and that is things of a transcendental nature.
It appears that what we call angels, Elohim, are not connected with this UFO phenomenon directly.
They overwatch it, but they're not connected.
They are aware of it then.
And then what we know as angels, Ed, how do you perceive them?
Well... I mean, what are they?
Are they really angels as we understand the meaning of angel?
They're pretty much the way the Church Fathers described them.
Yeah.
Church Fathers were really plugged in.
I mean, they really tried hard before there was a divergence, before natural science split off.
Theology and natural science took off in two different directions.
It's coming back together someday.
Maybe sooner than we think.
But the church fathers really studied angels.
They basically all said the same thing.
Augustine, St.
Thomas Aquinas, St.
Jerome.
They basically agreed on what the nature and the function of angels were.
And then it got spun off through time and now angels are, you know, funny little things and you're guides and this and that and the other thing.
But they're real.
They're very real.
They exist in mathematically different dimensions than we do.
and as opposed to ETs which share the physical universe with us.
Angels do not.
Are angels acting at the bidding of God?
I mean you could broadly say of course we all are, but I mean perhaps more directly
than human souls.
I can't answer that question.
I don't think a question like that has answers that have to do with words anyway.
I think you have to go inside and those are the kinds of things where concepts drop away.
Only to remote view the concept or the idea of angels, that much would not come through.
No, because we can't comprehend the idea of It's difficult to comprehend what God is, or to put any handle or label on it.
You said, you said, the more you know, the more you know you don't know.
I mean, you really went on about that a second ago.
What brings this on?
What changed?
What happened to bring those words from you?
The level of complexity that I've seen with this Martian phenomenon.
It's just unbelievable physics, unbelievable complexity in terms of what they can do.
Just unreal.
How sure are you that contact will be good?
I've seen in science fiction movies.
Huh.
Well, why frequently does that?
I mean, I really do feel like in the movie 2001, one of those simians touching the monolith.
How sure are you that contact will be good?
I mean, is there not the risk of a CE3, a real CE3 affair?
Being as negative as it might be positive.
I mean, is there anything that makes you really certain you're going down a good path?
No, just a gut feeling.
I mean, it could be the devil.
Could be Satan's forces that were coming.
Who knows?
It's just a gut feeling.
It's something that... I mean, we're all going to hell anyway, it appears.
So, what the heck?
A six or one-half dozen on the other?
No, I don't know.
But we'll find out when we get there, won't we?
What do you mean, we're all going to hell, Kimozami?
In a handbasket.
Oh, I see.
The handbasket.
This system out there could have done.
It knows what we're doing right now.
It knows about our bill.
It knows about what we're about to do.
It's the one that set up the protocols and pinpointed the spot where we go back to.
We already had recon there.
We already had a degree of contact.
So it's calling the shots.
Let's go see, uh, uh, you know, let's meet them on their own terms.
I still think they're our progenitors.
Well, I've never been totally comfortable that their terms are necessarily something we would immediately agree to.
Stand by, Ed, we'll be right back.
It's been a too long time With no peace of mind And I'm ready for the times To get better
I've got to tell you I've been racking my brain Hoping to find a way out
I've had enough of this continual rain Changes are coming, no doubt
It's been all too long Be it sun, sand, smell or touch, there's something in me
Inside that we need so much.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak when it's deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up, through tarmac, through the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
We have all these things in our memory store And we use them to help us to survive
Ride, ride my sea storm Take this place, our next trip
Just call me!
Wanna take a ride?
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It is indeed Major Ed Dames.
Some call him... Doc Doom.
We'll continue with questions for Major Ed Dames in a moment if you'll simply keep seated.
Once again, Major Ed Dames, I've worried for a very long time, or been concerned is a better way to put it, that I don't for one second doubt that there are extraterrestrials, common sense says there are, that we're being watched, probably common sense too.
The Earth is teeming with life, it wouldn't be hard to spot in various ways from great distances, so that we would be watched wouldn't surprise me, but you know, I'm not so sure, Ed, that these are friendly beings.
At least from our point of view.
And they may well be, but I'm far from convinced of that.
And you really aren't going on much more, you said, than a gut feeling, right?
Well, I didn't use the word friendly either, Art.
I didn't say friendly.
And I didn't say beings either.
I'd like to begin with just a comment.
still were playing with words here whatever whatever
and it is a control system you know control system and possibly our
progenitors yes
yes uh...
alright of wildcard line you're on the air with major ed dames hello hello
uh... i'd like to be in a different kind of and then i can deal with the idea of
the end of time is too and that that means that then we'll be in uh... eternity
and uh... then comes my next my real question which is uh... if the true creator is removed even further than we
thought uh... do you think that the presence of angels among us
indicates that we're really
known to the creator and that the creator has some you know uh... interest in us and is
you know can we indeed count on the words of jesus to whom you
refer often Yeah, I understand your concern and your question, Ed.
The second question I can't comment on, because it's beyond my ballock.
Well, I guess she's saying, are we so far removed from God that He's not paying attention?
You're telling us, in a sense, that we are removed by God, in the sense that we were created by other... I am saying that, yes.
There were middlemen.
Exactly.
In terms of the first point, and the time as a metaphor, There's something up ahead and we can't see around it.
And so that's as good a metaphor as anything in my business or in Sylvia Brown's world.
You know, some of the things you're now saying, Ed, would be so important to the world that have you considered getting any of the other big voices in remote viewing?
And you know who they are as well as I do.
To sit down with you, something they've been probably unlikely to do in the past, perhaps original program type people, names that everybody would know, and begin to confirm some of this information with you, even if it's done non-publicly at first, just to confirm what you're saying.
For a number of reasons, no.
And anyway, it's time to just To act on the information rather than just to talk about it some more.
The time for talking is over.
It's time to actually act.
We're going to do this.
We're going to go out and set up the conditions under which a meeting occurs and see what happens.
We can talk the problem to death.
We can study it to death.
Nothing is going to happen.
In the end, we have to do something.
We don't understand the phenomenon.
We're certainly not going to be able to.
So let's act on it and see what happens.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Daines.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
This is Mike in Minneapolis.
Hello, Mike.
Hey, I wanted to ask Major Daines if he knows how Osama bin Laden died, and do you know who shot Abu Nidal?
Negative on each count.
We could know how Osama bin Laden died, but we didn't check.
We just know that he's dead.
And, uh, it doesn't appear to be, uh, uh, cursory information in the case.
It doesn't appear to be a gunshot or an explosion per se.
It looks like he wasn't assassinated by his own men or something like that.
Hopefully a giant clod of dirt hit him, like a cave collapsing.
Uh, no.
It appears that his body is in a, um, a resting place.
Like somebody put him in a mausoleum.
Really?
Yeah.
There's an answer for you, caller.
It looks like he may have died of an injury and that he is in a tomb or a mausoleum.
All the sketches that we get are carved walls and things like that.
It's not a collapsed bunker.
Fascinating.
Dead, dead, dead, though.
Yeah, we can locate the body if we need to, but we have other things to do right now.
Besides, it's better to go after...
Terrorists, Al Qaeda itself in the United States, then go after a corpse in another country.
That's true.
Well, as for the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Hello, Mr. Dames.
Hi.
Where are you?
This is Tony, North Hollywood.
Okay, Tony.
What's up?
Sylvia Braun mentioned last night in last night's program that she felt the next terrorist attack would involve transportation in the country.
That's right.
It's an assassination that will also hurt other people.
It's an assassination attempt.
It looks like it will probably go off.
But in so doing, it will take out a lot of other people.
We don't know who the target is yet.
We're having a hard time discerning it.
Sylvia Brown did not say That she felt it was her fear that she expressed her opinion about the danger of taking out transportation links and conduits.
Right, right.
But she didn't say that that's where the next attack was.
You have to listen carefully to what people say.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hello.
Where are you, sir?
Hello?
Hello, where are you?
Oh, I'm in Canada.
Oh, okay.
Well, you're on the air now.
Okay, great.
Well, first of all, I'd like to thank both of you for raising people's awareness about the world around us and the universe around us.
Very welcome.
About whether or not we might have contact with other beings, or whatever entities, whatever they may be.
Myself, personally, I can only think that they would be friendly, if they are so much further advanced than we are.
Um, simply because, uh, if you look around in nature, uh, any type of nature, um, the species that cooperate with one another are generally the ones that, uh, survive.
That thrive and, uh, continue.
And they, uh, rise up on the ladder.
Ed?
Uh, or they're the top of the food chain.
Granted, yes, this is true, but... Some of the Arminian orcas, for instance.
Pardon me?
Orcas.
Killer whales.
Oh, yes.
For fun.
You know, they take bites out of other creatures just for fun.
They'll take a sea lion and play ball with it.
So, I mean, top of the food chain.
Amusement.
Well, we do that with the food we eat, too, right?
That's my point.
We're not cooperating with the food that we eat.
Exactly.
We're stabbing it with our steely knife.
Wild card line.
You're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Good morning.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
I would like, Ed, to answer a question you asked early in the evening when you talked about March 2003.
Yes.
He did not exactly say that.
What he said was, I believe, that he could not see past an event.
That's right.
And nobody knows the exact time, but I was wondering how you arrived at that, because I've done some calculations from listening to you and your programs and guests, and I know a lot of people go by the Gregorian calendar and Everything in it seems that it would be like 2007, but if you go by... I'm adjudging upon my assessment of the North Korean situation.
I feel that that situation will reach a threshold prior to the summer.
That a nuclear device will be popped by the North Koreans on the Korean Peninsula.
Uh, sometime this year.
It's looking an awful lot like, um, the war is going to be upon us in February, uh, perhaps March, but somewhere in there.
February is, I think, current thinking is what I'm hearing on all the commentary shows.
And now, of course, we've seen the Brits, uh, already deploy a few days ago, and now the U.S.
is deploying.
I think we're doubling our troop strength.
So it looks like it's shaping up into a winter war.
I'm saying the real danger is on the Korean Peninsula.
Oh, I hear you.
That's what I'm saying, because it's a virtual... compared to what we face in Korea.
iraq is a cakewalk really have you you're saying this is going to occur
uh...
roughly at the same time really i think that the korean and the chinese will act
opportunistically as soon as we are completely engaged you know iraq then another order for the curtain on on
stage two goes up correct east of the rockies ron there with major ed dames
Hello.
Hi, this is Clovis from St.
Paul.
Yes, sir.
Art, first I want to say, man, I've been listening to you for like five, six, seven years.
It's been really entertaining.
You open my eyes.
Ed, too.
I've been listening to you on Art Bell just as long.
But, um, Ed, I want to take you to task.
I remember a while ago, maybe a year or so ago, you said you were going to find the wreckage of the Amelia Earhart airplane three years ago.
Three years ago, yeah.
Whatever happened with that, man?
A couple of things.
One, the wreckage is off the coast of Currier Atoll.
It's off the west coast.
There's an engine and part of a wing off the coast of Currier Atoll.
I had a sponsor, a major airline company that sponsored my team.
They would pay our way over.
The problem was, if we use aircraft, the local aircraft there from Kwajalein, not from Kwaj, But from Tarawa, that local aircraft carrier only allows 15 kilograms of weight.
And we need all that water alone to get to the site.
So it has to be done by sea.
And that's a $200,000 operation, and I didn't have the money.
Oh, so you couldn't afford to get the sea operation, huh?
Correct.
Have you sent any divers or anyone to just confirm or any kind of thing like that to confirm it's there?
No, but satellite imagery can do it if we point it in the right direction.
Yeah, satellites have to know where to look.
Yeah, well we can point them right there.
I'm saying there's an engine.
And that part of the wing, the rest has fallen off into the... But basically, you didn't go there, or you didn't do it because financing for that fell through, but you still maintain you know exactly where.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's within a thousand.
The engine, one of the engines for that Electra, for her Electra, is right still on the reef to the west side of Curia Atoll in the country of Kiribati, which is now, a few more years ago, the one wing will be completely underwater except for two islands.
So somebody better get to it.
It'll still be there in relatively shallow water.
It just won't be off the coast of Korea.
Exactly.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
Hello.
Hello, West of the Rockies.
Yes, that's you.
Hi, I've wanted to speak with Major Ed for quite some time.
Well, now you are.
First of all, I'd like to say, Major Ed, I've had precognizant dreams for over the past 20 years, and I'm a firm believer that there's a I'm going to correct you on level of consciousness.
Consciousness is like a field, an electromagnetic field.
Mind is like a field.
the level of precognizant dreams after 9-1-1 or before 9-1-1 was quite high.
Could you give some comments on that, please?
I'm going to correct you on the level of consciousness.
Consciousness is like a field, an electromagnetic field.
Mind is like a field.
There are no levels of consciousness, but there are levels of awareness.
That's important.
The mind is in a consciousness field.
It's immersed in that field.
The brain is an oscillator, levels of awareness.
As big events come up over the event horizon, more and more people will have precognitive dreams.
People who are born with innate abilities, psychic abilities, their feelers are longer.
What happened with 9-11?
I understand what remote viewing is.
A lot of people say, well, remote viewing doesn't see things that you don't go out to see.
the world for instance. People like me are very just average in terms of psychic performance.
We have to use tools to go out and see what's ahead.
What happened with 9-11? I understand what remote viewing is. A lot of people say, well
remote viewing doesn't see things that you don't go out to see. You pursue targets. But
what about the psychics?
Where were the psychics?
Those who are supposed to be the freelance receivers of impending large events?
Let's look at it another way.
How does the consciousness perceive that particular event?
Is it as big as, let's say, an entire continent of people starving to death and dying of AIDS?
Maybe not.
Oh well, maybe not.
That's what my point is here.
There's an entire continent out there right now and the people there are dying like flies.
How does that compare with a couple of buildings going down and a few thousand people dying and their children being...
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, Major Dames.
that no no no no no of course not and i mean you're right a continent dying and
that is occurring would be a larger spike in the larger scheme of things no
question but he's the rockies you're on the air without a lot of time in major
games well yeah i think they are
but i think that you can but i just need to say that uh... i was here with you with
the last time you were saying goodbye and uh... once again the boys and i
will be gone so disrespected and any of the people have taken over for
you but it will not That's very kind.
Thank you.
Do you have a question, Brad?
Yes.
Major Dames, just a quick, I guess, observation here and a question for you.
Without getting too religious or spiritual and offending anybody, it's already hard enough, I think, for a lot of people to believe in Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of God.
And the Bible is very clear, both in Timothy and also in the book of Revelation, that in the end times, Many will follow the doctrines of demons, and great delusion will be poured out upon people.
Have you considered the possibility that all of this is nothing more than a demonic deception of great magnitude?
Fair enough.
All right, but hold it right there.
We're so out of time.
But that's a big question, Ed.
Well, I don't know whether you refer to it by the this.
The this.
If the whole scenario is what he's talking about or not, no.
I've considered many things, and I don't know the answers.
I do, but I do know I'm responsible for my decisions right now, my choices at this moment, and those choices are worthless unless I act upon them.
Period.
That's all I know, Art.
So into the darkness or the light you go, one way or the other, huh?
All right, listen, Ed, that's an appropriate place to end it, because it's over.
We're out of time tonight.
All these years, I want to thank you for being with me, my friend.
Oh, the pleasure's been nothing but mine, Art.
We'll see you in the islands?
And let's both of us drop in on Coast to Coast once in a while and say hi.
On the flip side, huh, buddy?
Our fans can decompress.
Take care.
Good night.
That's Major Ed Daves.
I'm Art Bell.
On the flip side.
Good night.
Midnight in the desert.
Shooting stars across the sky This magical journey
Will take us on a ride Filled with the longing
Searching for the truth Will we make it till tomorrow?
Will the sun shine on you?
Midnight in the desert Midnight in the desert And there's wisdom in the air I've been looking for the answers All my life I've felt you there
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