Mel Waters reveals a Nevada "Mel’s Hole" containing ice that defies physics—burning instead of melting, absorbing moisture, and collapsing structures—while seal-like entities warn of global destruction if mishandled. Ed Dames dismisses Iraq’s bioweapons as secondary to natural microbial threats, predicting a 2003 nuclear strike in Korea to trigger China’s Taiwan invasion amid U.S. military strain. He ties remote-viewed warnings (like the 1994 Ariel School incident) to a Martian "control system" operating in a higher dimension, separate from angels or Satanic forces, and insists contact is imminent despite uncertainties. The episode blends apocalyptic science, geopolitical risks, and unproven paranormal claims into a chilling vision of unseen forces shaping humanity’s fate. [Automatically generated summary]
But one thing, when I said they had flyovers of the hole there in your state, I was told something very interesting, and that is that from certain approaches to the area that they're in, you can see the encampment of people.
You could see the basque if you're standing there, say, on the hillside, but you cannot see the flange around the hole.
I told you with this hole, there was like a metal collar, a flange around it.
You cannot see that from a certain distance.
You could see everything else.
And the flange is huge.
It's a very large metallic structure that provides like a collar for this thing.
Well, of course, people know what my experience was lowering all that fishing line into it, and I'm absolutely certain that I got 80,000 feet of line into it, which is, I don't know, 15 miles or so of line.
I mean, that's a crazy thing to do, but I did it.
I'm just one of those people that are determined to get to the bottom of things.
I mean, it wasn't cold, and so what was going on here?
So we, you know, we lowered it, we put it in the bucket.
Well, I told you that it caught fire, and eventually one of these bass fellows took the bucket of ice, set in the back of his pickup truck, drove off and took it home and stuck it inside of his wood stove.
Well, what we did is in this bucket, metal bucket, we stuck in a bag of like 7, 11 ice, you know, the kind that you buy at the store, you know, ice cubes.
Well, this basket fellow, he just did just that there, and he noticed there that the air was like really, really dry.
He was always thirsty, and his skin was like flaking.
I mean, this was like, I don't know, he must have been living in humidity lower than what you face out there in the desert, you know.
And so, you know, he's got this kettle up on top there, you know, trying to humidify the air.
And one night he notices that, I don't know, it might have been the angle of the light or just whatever it was, but the steam from the kettle looked like it was being absorbed into the stove.
And we're not saying like through the vents or, you know, through the door or whatever.
Okay, so I mean, I want to be able to, because this is what I've been told, but I have absolute belief in the person that told me this.
And this goes on.
Anyway, the stove is out there and it's producing heat, and this guy is real happy, even though he's real thirsty and really dry.
And then one day this guy comes home, he goes out and does his thing, and comes home, and he notices that the stove had crashed through the hearth and through the floorboards of his cabin.
What?
It just like went right down.
It just broke.
I mean, you know, it was kind of a flimsy cabin, you know, but it was able to support the weight of his wood stove.
You know, he continues to live with it, you know, and basically about, I don't know, a week, maybe two weeks later, he comes home and the entire cabin has collapsed around this.
It basically looked like all of the moisture that was in the wood had been sucked out of it completely to the point that it could no longer exist as wood.
And they were over there, and about a month later, he goes back to the cabin to show it to his brothers, and they find that the stove had sunk to like five feet into the ground.
Well, I mean, after all, Mel, this is, before it disappears from sight into a creation of a new hole, this is something that could be immediately researched.
And I mean, obviously this thing is sinking deeper and deeper into the ground, and it's like a total, they're totally baffled with how to get this thing out of here.
I assume that when they're trying to bring it up there, that they're breaking off pieces of the stove because, you know, it's made out of cast iron or whatever, and it must be busting up there, that the thing is really heavy.
Well, eventually, what they do is they drop some chains into the ground, and then they pour some water in there, into the ground.
And I don't know if this is what happened, but this is what I assumed happened.
Somehow the water and the chains and the metal all cajoled together, you know, kind of like held fast like glue to the structure and everything that was in the hole.
So eventually they were able to get this thing out of the ground and hoist it up, and they were using more than one crane at this point.
Now, I don't know a lot about cranes, but usually they could pick up a lot of stuff.
They had several cranes working on getting this thing out, so it must have weighed some huge amount.
Yeah, and so they finally get this thing out of the ground using multiple cranes.
The biggest ones they can get, these things were like monster cranes.
They get it up and they load it onto the biggest truck this guy had ever seen in his life.
I mean, this was bigger than big, and they haul that thing away.
It is like gone, you know, there is over there.
and so they just took the stove away.
I don't know if he got a good look to see what the stove looked like, but they loaded whatever was in there, detached the chains from the hooks and stuff, and trucked this thing off.
But this guy here, as soon as I talked to him, he knew something was going down, and something had gotten, well, my impression was it gotten like out of control.
In fact, that is also my message to Charlotte, and that is that I'm not around because people badger me all the time, even though I don't have a nickel in my pocket.
This is good, and maybe I could lead into some more of this because there has been some more contact with that.
Okay, what we did is some of the best were really crazy, and some of them wanted to be actually lowered into the hole, and that's after we brought that burning ice up to the ground.
And I said that, hey, you don't want to do this.
You don't want to send a human being down there.
So they decided to lower sheep.
And they winched the sheep.
I don't want to get into the grisly details, but sheep goes into the hole.
It goes down 1,000 feet.
Bring the sheep up.
Sheep is dead.
They cut into the sheep.
They find this huge tumor-looking sort of thing inside of it.
These guys are used to eviscerating sheep, and they, oh, this doesn't belong in there.
They cut it open, and there's this thing that's alive inside.
It looks like a baby seal.
Like you see at the aquarium, a pinniped, a baby seal.
That's what it looks like.
But the eyes are so odd.
We all described it the same thing.
It looked like it had eyes of a human being.
You look at a seal, a picture of a seal, it's got these black eyes.
And he said these creatures that live down in the earth.
But what I'm getting is the sense that they not only live in the earth, but they inhabit like different earths, and they are able to move between them.
It's crossed my mind that very, very deep within the earth, there might even be a different set of laws of physics that might begin to be a reality that you would live with, and maybe that's why you're getting such weird things up out of these holes.
Well, if I'm pulling up ice that keeps burning and it's not cold, and I mean some of the things that sounds like a different kind of physics going on here.
If we've got this metal collar that you cannot see from a certain distance, it no longer registers on the mind or in the eye or in the retina.
I'll tell you something.
Remember I told you I was given a replacement to the 1943 Roosevelt dime.
After I was told about this thing here, and I tried to take pictures of it, believe me.
Actually, I can't do any of that stuff.
My nephew does.
But this is what I discovered after I told that they couldn't see the flange from a certain distance.
If I stand 15 feet away from the dime, I can no longer see it.
I could see the holder.
I've got it in a plastic like Lucite holder.
I could see the holder, and I could see straight through it.
Then I walk towards it, and all of a sudden, the dime inside the holder materializes.
That's what it's like.
So I assume that if it wasn't able to photograph or not able to scan it, believe me, my nephew, he did everything he could to produce an image of this dime.
Well, no, I've not been to the site of the hole, and I could assure you at this point that the hole in Washington doesn't, it's probably been relandscaped over there.
So anything is still there as it was when I was there.
And in that book, Cat's Cradle, there was a substance in there, fictional substance, called Ice 9.
And Ice 9 was developed for the military, fictional, so that the people, the biggest scourge to the military is mud.
So they developed this substance that could pour in the mud, and it would solidify the mud.
And the problem with it, though, is that it would keep on solidifying all of the water out there as far as it could reach, and eventually it would destroy the planet if it continued to solidify.
No, no, they took it away, and that was the report that I've got.
And excuse me.
Anyway, I wanted to get back to the actual hole over there in your state.
And I told you about the helicopters that routinely fly over there, and apparently no one has been molested over there that is encamped around the hole.
But the Basque that are there have told me that they receive visits from the seal-like creature.
They said from the seal creatures that the ice can and would destroy the world in a very little amount of time.
This stuff is too dangerous to fool around with.
You don't have any way of understanding how this works, even though it is so tempting that all of a sudden in a bucket of ice, I've got what seems to be an unimaginable source of power.
You know, an inexhaustible source of power, apparently.
But I can't imagine it's being inexhaustible if it's getting heavier and it's absorbing water.
I mean, that to me doesn't sound like, you know, so I think that stuff that was down there really is truly dangerous if not contained properly.
That's my feeling on that there.
And that's the warnings that they were giving, is that the world would be destroyed by the improper use of the ice.
But they anticipate that greedy and undisciplined use of the ice will probably occur in this world.
Well, I'll tell you this much because there are other things that were said that this might explain some things to you, but we talk about the greedy and undisciplined use of the ice and the idea that these seal creatures can travel between these worlds.
And that there are other people in other worlds that have designs on this world because this world is in pretty good shape.
There are some people out there in other worlds that are similar to ice, but their world is so horrible.
Yeah, but their world is so horrible that if we had suffered a nuclear holocaust on this world, they would be happy to inhabit it.
There are people there, and what they were told is there are other worlds similar to ours that have designs on this world and that they monitor what happens on this world.
The ice is rare, but when it's discovered, it's almost always improperly used.
that no one has had the smartness.
Now, these seal creatures...
In other similar situations there that have been used, and maybe it's been that some of this has surfaced in one of these holes, and you were saying maybe that's how these holes are formed?
Now, Ed Dames, the world's foremost remote viewing teacher.
He's major U.S. Army retired now.
He's creator of Technical Remote Viewing and director of the Technical Remote Viewing Institute.
An original member of the U.S. Army Remote Viewing Training Program.
He subsequently served as the Training and Operations Officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's Psychic Intelligence Collection Unit, PSIINT, and currently serves as Executive Director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency.
I like that name, a private consulting group.
And we will talk of many, many things tonight, indeed, with Major Dames.
I can tell you a few things about Major Dames myself.
One, I would say he is the most beloved and hated guest that I have on the air.
Hardly anybody that I'm aware of evokes the kind of emotional response that does Major Dames.
I'm serious about that.
He scares the hell out of a lot of people, hence the nickname Dr. Doom.
And a lot of people, of course, then respond with anger.
But I can also tell you that over the years, many, many, many of the things that he told me would happen happened.
Including the malformation of frogs.
He told me the UV would soon begin to destroy frogs.
And, of course, that did occur.
And he had that quite some number of years ahead of time.
And many, many other things that he has indicated would happen have indeed happened.
I personally, I can tell you this, examined his military record, his entire military record.
It was sent to me.
And he did in the military exactly what he said he did.
The entire CIA operation, which was revealed on a Nightline program with Ted Koppel, was, we now all know, an absolute fact.
Our government had a secret remote viewing project ongoing.
Remote viewing being the ability to see and picture things at a great distance in that program.
For example, gas canisters were discovered in Iraq and confirmed.
The location then confirmed as they said it would be in so many other things.
The military, in fact, had this program, and this man definitely was in this program.
Now he's in the private sector.
And in the private sector, he has caused some fair amount of havoc.
And up on my website right now, there is under, you know, if you go to artbell.com, don't forget that commemorative CD.
Your chance to order it, by the way, folks, is almost gone.
At any rate, when you get up there, go to tonight's guest, Major Dames, actually programs tonight's guest info, and there will be the name Major Dames.
And first item down is Major Doom and Gloom.
And when you click on it, there's this really cool cartoon.
It says, Major Doom and Gloom Coming Your Way.
And there's a cute little dog there with a little rocket, and he's holding onto it as a dog would carry a cask to rescue you with a little rocket on the end of it.
Well, I've gone from feature films now with Ben Kingsley and Ann Eckhart and Carry-Ann Moss, the suspect zero, all the way down to comic book characters.
I mean, that does look like the front of a really cool new comic book.
Listen, can I run something by you before we even dive into where we're going?
Email I just got.
Dear Art, very sad you're leaving coast to coast.
Also relieved that you will have Major Dames back on the program before the new year.
Two questions.
One, Major Dames, discussed the remote viewing of a killer blight that induced gangrene within the joints of all those who ate it a gangrene so severe the arms and legs fell off the individuals who ate the crops afflicted with the blight.
Now, two weeks after you interviewed the major, I read a Tacoma News Tribune or maybe Seattle Times article, the Associated Press story of a woman scientist who developed bioweapons for Saddam.
Among the strains, blight and gangrene were mentioned within the same paragraph.
Please ask the Major if the gangrest killer blight that was remote viewed is actually a strain developed by our or perhaps Iraq's military.
I also helped get the funding from Congress to set up the Biological Threat Analysis Center, the VTAC, which is a top-secret unit place that analyzes biological warfare intelligence.
So BLITE is an anti-crop weapon, and it's not connected with gangrene.
The gangrene as a weapon, as a microbe, is strictly just gangrene itself.
And it's the organism itself.
The gangrene, this ergotism that I'm talking about is caused by ergot, Flaviceps purporia as one of the 32, 33 species of ergot from which LSD is derived.
And by eating blighted plants that have ergot on them, if ergots indeed this particular blight, one, an animal or a human can become ill, vomit, they can suffer hallucinic effects, we know that because of the LSD derivatives.
But worst casing, if you eat very blighted crops, very black grain, and if one is hungry, or if one feeds this to cattle, then the organism, a human or a cow, will develop gangrene in a very interesting form, a very interesting way.
If it's a cow, the cow's tails will fall off, the ears will fall off, the appendages will fall off, right out of the horror movies, that kind of thing.
And, you know, since you were a biowarfare expert, though it's been some time, you would have some sense.
I mean, everybody's talking about biowarfare right now.
You should have some sense, one way or perhaps even the other, of exactly the threat that America's facing right now in terms of what might be unleashed on us.
The continental United States is not really under a great threat, Art.
The population centers, because there's such a density of people, if we were attacked by a biological warfare agent, a microbe, it would not be one that's genetically engineered necessarily.
That's number one.
It would be your typical epidemiological factor, smallpox or something like that.
And it could be controlled.
Yes, there would be an epidemic for a while, but it would be controlled.
So the science fiction scenarios are just that.
The genetically engineered organisms really would not take us all out.
Having said that, however, you can take something like anthrax, okay, and you can tweak it in a certain way so that it is more infective.
It's much more of a toxicological infective agent.
And what you can do is essentially put it in a vat, and just like you breed a dog, make a strain that's very, very infective.
And you can also manipulate the strain so that if you had, let's say, a vaccine for the weapon that you were developing, you could tweak the molecular end where the last peptide group is, the thing that sticks out like a lock and key, pokes into the proteins in your body and yourself.
You could tweak that so that a vaccine against smallpox or anthrax would not work.
The natural occurring microbes are far more dangerous these days than any man-made factor for two reasons.
One, the global warming.
For instance, a one degree or a six-degree temperature rise in an area, or even a few degrees temperature rise in the area, the ergot that we were talking about, there produces six times as many spores or a few degrees rise in temperature.
Plus, north and south, at the north side of the world, south side of the world, we have scientists drilling into the ice, trying to recover and, in fact, recovering microbes thousands of years old.
I read a story just the other day, add a little water and a little heat, and voila, they come alive.
And so we've got global warming doing slowly, or maybe not so slowly, what those scientists are doing as well, uncovering all of these things that probably ought to stay covered up.
One, the naturally occurring organisms that have evolved naturally over long periods of time are far more virile, far more virulent, far more virulent than anything that man can make.
Because when you tweak something, when you genetically engineer it, it's okay for a while, but then it reverts back to its natural state.
Think of dogs for instance.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's not viable for too long.
And even certain organisms out in the sunlight are denatured in 30 minutes.
Anthrax, for instance, anthrax spores, you put them in the sun, in bright sunlight, in 30 minutes, the peptide bonds are broken by the ultraviolet rays of the sun.
However, if you keep them in the shade or under the ground, they're viable for 1,000 years or more.
So sunlight is important.
But think of a genetic, if you genetically engineer an organism and you tweak it and it's not natural, I'm sure human clones may be the same way.
So think of the dog.
If you stop breeding dogs, we stop breeding dogs, dogs would revert back to their natural state.
Probably the dingo dog and the wolf were the two primal breeds.
Probably.
They're not viable anymore.
And so when you tweak something that is a naturally occurring microbe, it's going to revert back to its less virile state.
For a while, it'll be very virile.
Now there are agents, biological agents, and agents of biological origin, for instance, toxins that are extremely viable.
This nation in 1972, the one that unilaterally abandoned its offensive biological warfare program, had a couple of toxins that were extremely effective.
I'm not talking about the parrot fever that we used in the Korean War.
I'm talking about something far, far more variant than that at the picogram levels per cubic meter.
It would go through you like stuck through a goose.
Well, it was getting close to developing a doomsday machine.
I mean, there's a point that's reached where the things that you're making are nonsensical, because if they get loose, you yourself don't have defenses against it.
Well, if you've got some hungry Russian scientists and you get them to Iraq and you begin to help them lead the high life for a while and you want them to develop something really awful, presumably they would have the expertise to do that.
That can be discerned from the history of their having used them.
Would they hesitate to turn them loose on us, the most hated country in the world from their point of view?
Probably not for a second.
Could they get somebody across our poorest borders to set something loose?
Probably so.
Maybe that's why we're about to go to war.
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Well, in terms of microbes, we're talking nuclear terrorism, that's one thing.
But in terms of microbes and biological warfare, right now the problem is the natural outbreak of nature's striking back or nature's response or reaction to ecological collapse, global warming in those countries.
Well, I stopped in March because I want to dig in personally and just dig in.
I feel that one thing, just one thing, although we're facing a confluence of events, I was going to call this program Bell's Hells before whom the bell polls because it's pretty grim as far as I'm concerned.
And for years, I've been stating that the next nuclear weapon that will be used in anger will be on the Korean peninsula.
What will happen is you'll probably have a use of one weapon.
We'll have a ground war, a start of a ground war in Korea.
I think the scenario that I see is that the North Koreans will pop a nuclear weapon near the DMZ, which is far enough away from mainland China, so that it won't be too damaging to mainland China, but extremely damaging to the Korean peninsula, militarily effective, because it is a peninsula.
And so our response, of course, would be the desire to use nuclear weapons in response, but we won't.
Because if you look at the proximity of North Korea to China, there is no way the Chinese would allow us to use a nuclear weapon.
In fact, here, the second part of the same email says, please inquire of the Major about further remote viewing into the collapse of our nation's economy.
I've been really concerned about this since his last visit.
So, yeah, our economy seems a lot more fragile than I thought that it was, Ed.
You know, I say that after the 911 disaster, you know, America used to shake this kind of thing off, even something as awful as 911.
But, I mean, it put a dent in the economy, and that dent is becoming a big dent.
The printing presses are running as fast as they can right now.
So we're going to burn them up, and there's going to be nothing left to print anymore.
This will stretch us so dead.
I mean, look at California.
Right now, I'm in the city of Angels.
I go back to the island of Doom tomorrow morning, the Sandwich Islands.
And by the way, there's no longer any excuse for you, now that you're pulling the plug, for you and Ramona not to come and visit Vivian and I in the Sandwich Islands.
You can imagine that if you have a tool, a team of world-class remote viewers, you're certainly going to turn your attention to that.
And we have.
But because we have limited resources, what do we look at?
Over the years, the last seven years or so that I've been on your show, we've talked about many, many things that remote viewers have looked at, the UFO ET phenomena, right?
So what I did was about five or six years ago, I was invited to Germany to speak at a UFO conference.
In fact, that conference, I busted Ray Santilli's alien autopsy scam.
Well, there was one thing at that conference that was worth the price of admission.
It was worth me traveling to Germany for.
Dr. Mack had a video of an event that happened in a school in Rua Zimbabwe.
And he went there himself to interview the children.
The school is called Ariel School in Rua Zimbabwe.
On the 16th of September 1994, during, I think, a lunch break at a school, the kids who were 8 to 12 walked off a basketball court and left the older kids behind.
The older kids didn't think much of it.
These kids took off into the brush, about 20 of them.
And they came back with an amazing story.
And it's just yet one of those myriad UFO stories.
But this one really struck the responsive court in me because it was children.
The children reported and sketched, and John Mac interviewed each one of them.
And that interview was on film.
But I think the parents would not allow the release of the film, so it never really made it out into the public.
The children said there was a saucer-shaped thing in the trees, and there were four or five entities that they saw standing there.
And the kids were mesmerized by this, afraid and yet attracted, magnetized in place.
And they heard telepathically a message.
And the message was that, and each was interviewed independent of another.
So they didn't mutually corroborate their stories.
They were taken aside and interviewed independently.
Each of the children said that these entities telepathically communicated a message that said they were very sad and that our planet is dying and that if we don't take steps now, the planet will die.
Sort of a typical story, UFO abduction experience story.
We used it as a reference point to study because we were interested in the source.
First of all, we don't take reports at face value because many times it's an illusion.
You get the who is the VOS pulling strings, and what's out there really is illusory.
We'll talk more about that when I talk about the Roswell incident later.
In this case, we wanted to know what the source of that contact, the agency or the source behind that event, what was the source behind the message?
And that's what my top guns and I went after.
What was the source?
Because our desire was to elicit and to maintain contact with that source and then get a very prominent person in Hollywood whose name I will not mention, who is very well respected, to actually film the contact, to look at the protocols for establishing and maintaining contact with the source, whatever they may be, higher intelligence, that's for sure, and to film it, a very credible source.
And then to take that message again, to see if there's any more to that message or any more whatever, and to have a prominent filmmaker portray that message to the public.
So you're saying through Starman, really the same message is there, the exact same message, perhaps in a slightly different form, but pretty damn close, if you ask me.
Well, our goal is to recontact the source behind that.
And we know we've been successful there.
But we want it filmed by a very respectable filmmaker so that the film Can be disseminated to people, and everybody will be aware of it, so you don't have to use me or someone else as a medium so that it's available to everyone.
So, you know, we're essentially, it's the 2001 Space Odyssey scenario where the monolith and looking at technologies that are nominally 100 million years ahead of us.
I don't know if we have to ask for intervention, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I don't know what the agenda is.
I don't know what their agenda is.
I do know that we are successful in establishing contacts.
Are we doing something right?
In the past, when I've had high-level scientists out at sites, we've got nothing more than flybys, things punching through into this atmosphere, flying by and punching back out.
But this time it's very different.
And that's why we want it filmed so corporately people in the world can judge the data for themselves and make up their own minds rather than having it mediated by somebody like me.
That's also interesting because last night Sylvia said something about exactly that, that there would not be direct intervention, but at some point after something happened, after something happened, then we might be able to get some assistance.
I think we have to display a higher degree of wisdom.
Otherwise, over the years, the last 20 years of looking at this phenomenon with both the military team and my higher level civilian team, which we have, our capabilities now are much more refined than they were 20 years ago.
The idea is that this system out there, this control system, is not going to deal with inferior types.
They're going to deal only with a higher level of wisdom.
Think of the parables that Christ talked about.
The idea of why did Christ speak allegedly in parables?
Why couldn't he just lay it on the line?
Some people were there and say, I don't know what he said.
You don't understand?
No, I don't understand.
I was just here for the fish or whatever.
But others, there would be a few folks who would just lie in bed and awake trying to figure out what he meant, knowing that it was important.
I think that's the conundrum that the UFO problem presents.
It presents itself as nonsense, total nonsense.
I mean, you and I, I could go back in ufology and point out some of the most nonsensical things.
But this is the wizard of Oz pulling whistles and bells.
Behind that is the control system that wants us to figure it out.
Otherwise, it would hide.
It's not.
It's projecting illusions and nonsense.
So this thing, this consciousness tool that is my stock in trade now, thanks to the taxpayers of the United States who paid to have remote viewing turn into a skill.
Workshops, I'm just as tough in the workshops as I am.
I mean, I can't teach you how to run with the big dogs in the workshops, but I sure as heck, I'm going to make sure that you don't leave until you get the skills done because if my students in the workshops fail, it's my fault, not theirs.
I mean, he did say that, but he said you were tough.
Listen, let me just shift course for a moment here on a few other things that I definitely want to cover.
Recently, Ed, I think certainly since the last time you were on, there was this big broo-ha-ha up in Albany, New York, a reporter for a television station.
He was doing some sort of interview, and he caught, not visually when he did the videotaping, but later when they looked back at it, they caught something on film that appeared to some to be maybe a missile.
Now, I took one look at it, and in just a fraction of a second, mentally, I knew damn well it was not a missile.
Something I guess the FBI or whoever confirmed wasn't a missile, but it was something.
And there's no question about what it was.
It was a rod.
It was a classic rod.
I mean, it was not something you had to imagine.
I talked to Jose Escamilia, who believes these are living creatures sharing the earth with us.
And there's no question about what that was.
Absolutely, that was a rod.
Duh.
I mean, people talk about other things.
It was a rod.
And I know crazy as that sounds, even the concept of rods, I'm familiar enough with the videotape and Jose's stories and plenty of photographs and video footage to know exactly what I was looking at.
Sure, it was a rod.
And I know you've done some looking into rods, haven't you?
And so our cameras, modern-day cameras, pick these things up.
What are they?
And I also felt that they were simply living creatures that evolved here alongside everything else, but some different phylum.
I even had a name for it.
I called them Eolium.
But it turns out that they're more interesting than one might think.
They're not just a new phylum on Earth.
They're not just another living thing.
If you were a control system, you were trying to control a population and tweak them and get them to do what you want, or at least monitor them, you have to have monitoring devices, don't you?
This is perhaps totally irrelevant, or maybe it's not irrelevant, but I could swear I've seen rods in peripheral vision.
And you know something?
I mentioned that because earlier tonight, Ed, before the program, I was standing near the doorway to my room, and I've got a computer immediately to my right, and I noticed the damnedest thing, and that is when I was looking straight ahead, not trying to see the computer to the side, or the monitor, I should say, but looking straight ahead, I began to see the flicker rate of the monitor in my peripheral vision.
And I said, wow, this is really something.
And I called Ramona in, and she could see it herself.
Not when you look straight at the monitor.
It looks ooky.
But in peripheral vision, I could begin to see the flicker rate, kind of the way you see the flicker rate if it's not set high enough with a video camera, you know, trying to take a picture of a monitor.
You'll either see a bar or you'll see the flicker rate or whatever.
But I've never seen it with my own eyes until I caught it with peripheral vision.
And it's almost like you can see slightly a higher frequency in your peripheral vision.
And I wonder if that is what occasionally lets you think you've seen something going very fast, like a rod.
There was a lot of stuff on the ground and there was an impact, okay?
So I'll be the first one to say yes.
But I will tell you right now, to preface what I'm going to say, there is nothing, not a single thing extant now, today, except for the marks that were left on the ground.
There is no physical evidence and you will never find it for the following reasons.
This projection booth on Mars, again, it can project a template onto the Earth's atmosphere, probably anywhere.
Instead of just projecting an image, a holographic image into the atmosphere, think of that image capable of collecting carbon atoms and oxygen and nitrogen in the air and assembling them into something solid.
In other words, you create a tool at a distance, a remote tool, and you tweak your transmitter to make anything you want.
A big foot, a pyramid-shaped UFO, an alien standing somewhere or whatever.
And it has mass and weight, and so it leaves tracks in the ground.
If you shoot it, pieces come off of it, those kinds of things, right?
The creation of something tangible that's as real as it can be while it's being projected.
And then suddenly in a flash, it's gone.
Once again, here's Major Ed Dame.
So from beneath the surface of Mars, things are projected.
Things, all kinds of things that we put into a sort of a paranormal category, from Bigfoot to UFOs to other things that, like Quicksilver, are gone, can be caught by cameras, but like Quicksilver, they're gone without a trace.
It's what happens here in the atmosphere is where this thing is pointed, there is a coagulation, an accumulation of carbon or nitrogen or oxygen, whatever the thing is doing.
Physical atoms come together, stick together, as long as this pattern is maintained.
You can put them together somehow, make a solid thing out of it, smash it into the ground, make a green or gray alien, whatever you want, and you'd stoop over it and looks at you, and it could be, you know, but it's not going to be there.
I think over the last 20 years of studying this and chasing it around the desert in various places hither and yon and having some degree of success in terms of contact, I think it's to keep us looking up.
It presents itself so that it's as purposely as a conundrum in the hopes that we can find out what's behind it.
Evidently, it can't land on the White House lawn or there's some type of prime directive.
It's like one of the parables that Christ said.
He just didn't say what he meant.
He spoke in a parable to force people to think and to look behind the words at the meanings.
And it's forcing us to develop a higher intelligence, a higher level of intelligence to figure it out.
What I'm suggesting to you is that this tool, this thing called remote viewing, is a primal first step in looking at the consciousness behind the phenomenon, pulling the curtain back on the wizard and finding it.
And we had the tool to, you know, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Program for which I worked, I told him, I said, sir, would you like to use this to penetrate the UFO phenomenon?
Now, we couldn't, because we didn't have a charter to do that.
You don't use U.S. taxpayer funds to go pursue your hobby necessarily.
I want to know, Ed, if the things that I have investigated all these years and press so hard about have substance.
And they do.
I mean, they're obviously real.
And as I said earlier, collectively, you'd have to be an idiot to deny that something is happening.
And you're saying that really it's happening so that we might continue to consider what is greater than our everyday world and our material objects and all the rest of it.
And there are many, many people I've interviewed, Richard Hoagland, certainly, and others, who just are screaming bloody murder about what's on Mars.
And they believe that NASA and that our government and other governments, it would have to be so, know a whole lot more about Mars than they're willing to say and that they're willing to have us know.
Many people believe and hope that we're close to some sort of revelation about it, but they think that there's, I mean, they're discovering in infrared photography, cities.
My team knows that minimally there's at least one artificial structure there.
I don't know about the cities because we haven't had time to look, but there's at least one artificial structure.
There was a civilization there.
But this control system is not that civilization that's gone.
It is not.
It is perhaps their progenitors, too.
So I think the only way I don't know if we'll ever figure this out, but let's meet them on their own terms, no expectations, and instead of what let's see what they can do, let's hear what they have to say.
I use that term figuratively and allegorically, perhaps, but let's do it.
You have some skills that go above and beyond the kit.
You're able to, for instance, you're able to ascertain if your car was broken and you don't know what it is, you're able to discern what's broken on your car, where something is broken.
You're able to find something in your house that's missing, but not outside necessarily.
If it's a known area, you can find a missing or a lost thing.
You're able to discern the nature of events, for instance, at a distance, a coup d'etat or something like that, how many people were involved, those kinds of things.
But for the search problem to find, let's say, the lost touch of mine or a missing child, you cannot do that in a workshop.
You can get over to all the information by, again, by going to remoteviewing2003.com or to Art's website.
And if you're on the web, then that'll take you to where you need to go.
Well, sometimes I don't want to know certain things.
For instance, if one of my loved ones was going to hurt, become hurt or die, I wouldn't want to know that.
But on the other hand, if they had a debilitating disease or something like that, that would Well, see.
I'm not going to mention his name, but we just had the world's foremost orthopedic surgeon come to me and ask for help on a disease that could not be diagnosed.
Many believe this song to be an enigma, but if you listen carefully to the words and apply them to displaying, for example, like remote viewing, all of a sudden they pop right up and make a lot of sense.
The subject of Mars.
The subject of Mars indeed.
All right, once again, Major Ed Dames.
Major Dames, before we plunge into the phones coming up momentarily, I wonder if there's anything that you really did want to get in tonight that we haven't yet inserted.
And I don't know if any of them are intelligent, but a whole variety of things.
Think of a sponge and a chambered knotless and put them together in sort of a package.
That would be one type of creature there.
What we've done is remote viewers, and of course there's no validation until we get there.
We take the idea of the largest living thing in the ocean of Europa, on the planet of Europa.
Now, that could be a false premise, and we'll find that out when we use remote viewing, because if our sketches and our descriptors show nothing at all, then there's nothing there.
If Europa has a, let's say it has a core that's anything at all like iron, there's a tremendous magnetic field there because it's next to this big planet, gas giant.
Does this have any bearing on the fact that we are moving into the Middle East and you see things in the year 2003 where maybe what we're doing in Iraq isn't just coincidence, maybe it's designed.
And the other thing is, Ed, do you see in your personal life or in others around you that maybe people are feeling something?
Art always mentioned the quickening.
And I know that it's very suggestible to people because people will say, well, I've had this foreboding or whatever.
But what I really want to ask you is that have you seen in your circle of influence people who are experiencing or maybe even acting out in a certain way that would bring to mind to you that something, not only on a geopolitical level, not only Earth changes and things like that, but something deep inside people are changing.
The first time I noticed something really strange.
The thing that caught me, again, was Sylvia Brown last night on her show when she said the end of time because that really surprised me because that's what I've been telling my students.
I got this feeling like it's the end of time.
And when she said that, it was, whoa, that's two of us.
And that really surprised me.
So other than that, though, I haven't noticed anything.
I've been watching for people to have premonitory dreams and premonitions.
I know that what we're going through now, we're dead into the middle of the quickening.
We're right into the middle of it.
Most people even know it.
It's not like some great secret.
The increase in the frequency of events and the odd events that are occurring politically, socially, economically, every single stage that I mentioned, they're all well underway.
What I wanted to suggest, Ingo Swan had talked on Art Show one time about how Sanskrit was an incredibly more inherently descriptive language than English and that there were certain states of consciousness and certain states of materiality and even pre-materiality that could be described utilizing the Sanskrit language.
And what I was going to suggest to you is that when you go out to that CE3 site, that you perhaps take somebody who knows the language so that whatever is imparted to you can be described to the utmost ability.
My question to you would be, I've read this book, this regards the end of time as you were talking about it.
I read this book called The Pillar of Celestial Fire.
It was talking about how towards the end, so to speak, that there might be a raising of consciousness that is put before us and that there might be something akin to manna, like what in the Bible they call manna or in the Sanskrit bahasma.
I just wondered if there was anything like that on your shopping list that we might try to get a hold of so that when things start to happen, something that we could get a hold of to allow us to be more open to whatever spiritual message.
And I'll just get off the line and let you answer that.
I am a simple man, and honestly, I don't know what's coming.
I don't understand what's coming.
I just feel that we need to arrange to meet this control system.
I just feel that it's very important.
I don't have any expectations about that.
Yes, there is.
Actually, I'm driven by the adventure.
I cannot tell a lie.
The adventure itself drives me.
But at the same time, I think there's a role that some of us have to play.
And albeit adventure is part of that, there's a role there to orchestrate that meeting.
The people that I take with me and have taken with me in the past, some of the best scientists in the world, and the next time it'll be some of the best filmmakers in the world, those are the ones that I need to get there.
And I was calling to ask Ed if he believes in a dimension of infallibility, not just perfection, but a dimension where you can do nothing wrong.
And the reason I ask is because it seems to me whoever created the story of God and Jesus was just trying to show us our own capability of being infallible.
I mean, being divine, because like Jesus, all he had to do was believe that he was divine because of his father's own infallibilities, capabilities, and he was automatically there.
The more I see, I see a lot, and the more I know, and I know a lot, the more I know that I know nothing, absolutely nothing.
Every day goes by, the more ignorant I become.
I don't understand a damn thing anymore.
I thought I used to, but I don't understand anything.
So your premise, your hypothesis, your theory is just as good as any other as far as I'm concerned.
unidentified
Well, it's like, well, anyway, we see a lot of UFOs up here, and about your projection thing, the closest I've came to one was one night a light.
It was like the moon pulled up in front of me.
It was just a round sphere, and it was like 200 yards above my head, and it was just a yellow round, like a light.
And the only way it could have been put there would have been either it was some kind of a light that it just pulled up above my head, stopped for about 10 seconds, and then shot off.
But while it was there, it had to be either projected from above or it was a light.
They're pretty much the way the church fathers describe them.
Yeah.
Church fathers were really plugged in.
I mean, they really tried hard before there was a divergence, Before natural science split off, theology and natural science took off in two different directions.
They're coming back together someday, maybe sooner than we think.
But the Church Fathers really study angels.
They basically all said the same thing: Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Jerome.
They basically agreed on what the nature and the function of the angels were.
And then it got spun off through time.
And now angels are funny little things and you're guides and this and that and the other thing.
But they're real.
They're very real.
They exist in a mathematically different dimension than we do.
And as opposed to ETs, which share the physical universe with us.
The level of complexity that I've seen with this Martian phenomenon, it's just unbelievable physics, unbelievable complexity in terms of what they can do.
Unreal.
It goes beyond most of the things I've seen in science fiction movies.
We'll continue with questions for Major Ed Dames in a moment if you'll simply keep seated.
Once again, Major Ed Dames, I've worried for a very long time, Ed, or been concerned, is a better way to put it, that I don't for one second doubt that there are extraterrestrials.
Common sense says there are.
That we're being watched, probably common sense too.
The Earth is teeming with life.
It wouldn't be hard to spot in various ways from great distances.
So that we would be watched wouldn't surprise me.
But, you know, I'm not so sure, Ed, that these are friendly beings.
At least from our point of view.
And they may well be, but I'm far from convinced of that.
And you really aren't going on much more, you said, than a gut feeling, right?
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
I'd like to, you know, just a comment.
The only way I can deal with this idea of the end of time is to assume that that means that then we'll be in eternity.
And then comes my next, my real question, which is, if the true Creator is removed even farther than we thought, do you think that the presence of angels among us indicates that we're really known to the Creator and that the Creator has some interest in us and is, you know, can we indeed count on the words of Jesus to whom you refer often?
You know, some of the things you're now saying, Ed, would be so important to the world that have you considered getting any of the other big voices in remote viewing, and you know who they are as well as I do, to sit down with you, something they've been probably unlikely to do in the past.
Perhaps original program type people, names that everybody would know, and begin to confirm some of this information with you, even if it's done non-publicly at first, just to confirm what you're saying.
It's an assassination that will also hurt other people.
It's an assassination attempt that looks like it will probably go off, but in so doing, it will take out a lot of other people.
We don't know who the target is yet.
We're having a hard time discerning it.
Sylvia Brown did not say that she felt it was her fear that she expressed her opinion about the danger of taking out transportation links and conduits.
But she didn't say that that's where the next attack would with her.
About whether or not we might have contact with other beings or whatever entities, whatever they may be.
Myself personally, I can only think that they would be friendly if they are so much further advanced than we are.
Simply because if you look around in nature, any type of nature, the species that cooperate with one another are generally the ones that survive, that thrive and continue.
and they uh...
rise up on the ladder Or they're the top of the food chain.
What he said was, I believe, that he could not see past an event.
unidentified
That's right.
That's right.
And nobody knows the exact time, but I was wondering how he arrived at that, because I've done some calculations from listening to you and your programs and guests.
And I know a lot of people go by the Gregorian calendar and everything.
and it seems that it would be like 2007, but if you go by...
One, the wreckage is off the coast of Kuria Atoll.
It's off the west coast.
There's an engine and part of a wing off the coast of Kuria Atoll.
I had a sponsor, a major airline company that sponsored my team.
They would pay our way over.
The problem was, if we use aircraft, the local aircraft there from Kwajali, not from Kwajal, but from Tarawa, that local aircraft area only allows 15 kilograms of weight.
And we need all that water alone to get to the site.
So it has to be done by sea.
And that's a $200,000 operation, and I didn't have the money.
unidentified
Oh, so you couldn't afford to get the sea operation, huh?
The engine, one of the engines for that electra, for her electra is right still on the reef to the west side of Kuria Atoll in the country of Kiribars, which is now a few more years of global Walming will be completely underwater except for two islands.
First of all, I'd like to say, Major Ed, I've had precognizant dreams for over the past 20 years, and I'm a firm believer that there's a level of consciousness above ours.
And secondly, I would also like to say the level of precognizant dreams after 911 or before 911 is quite high.
I'm going to correct you on level of consciousness.
Consciousness is like a field, an electromagnetic field.
Mind is like a field.
There's no levels of consciousness, but there are levels of awareness.
Okay?
That's important.
The mind is in a consciousness field.
It's immersed in that field.
The brain is an oscillator.
Levels of awareness.
And as big events come up over the event horizon, more and more people will have cognitive dreams.
But people who are born with innate abilities, psychic abilities, their feelers are longer, and they'll detect that event in the future first and start talking about it.
This will be a brown to the world, for instance.
People like me who are very just average in terms of psychic performance, we have to use tools to go out and see what's ahead.
Yes, Major Dames, just a quick, I guess, observation here and a question for you.
Without getting too religious or spiritual and offending anybody, it's already hard enough, I think, for a lot of people to believe in Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of God.
And the Bible is very clear both in Timothy and also in the book of Revelation that in the end times, many will follow the doctrines of demons and great delusion will be poured out upon people.
Have you considered the possibility that all of this is nothing more than a demonic deception of great magnitude?