Art Bell’s 2003 episode features Linda Moulton Howe detailing Yurindir Oliveira’s 1976 and 2002 extraterrestrial abductions, including neck implants and comet warnings tied to electromagnetic disruptions. Sylvia Browne, a psychic with 300 years of claimed accuracy, predicts U.S. transportation attacks (June–July 2003), Islamic radicalization, and rising illnesses like ALS, linking them to environmental harm and possible biological warfare. She dismisses skepticism about crop circles and spirit guides—including her Aztec-looking guide—while advising listeners to seek safety in New Mexico’s "golden triangle" amid polar shifts and Atlantis’ rise. Callers confirm Browne’s visions, from 11:11 precognitive signals to the Nephilim’s past role, as she insists her guidance is divinely validated, urging ethical use of psychic abilities. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Mark Bell.
Great to be here.
In the first hour, it's been a moment.
Was there a human abduction tape in Brazil?
You decide for yourself.
She's got the latest.
Linda Moulton Howell, an investigative reporter, a science reporter for this program for years and years and years.
She does an environmental documentary.
Every several strange and unusual.
You'll be here in a moment with a report on what happened, I guess.
What happened in Brazil?
And then in the next hour, Sylvia Brown, an internationally recognized good time of the year, right at the end of the year, with visions for what's coming in the next year or so.
Sylvia Brown, in the next hour.
Should be quite a nice day right where you are.
All right, here from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, with more of what she does, and that's investigation and reporting.
You know, in the middle of November, just about four weeks ago, a Brazilian businessman named Philippe Castello Branco emailed to various UFO researchers a brief description of an alleged human abduction in the Campo Grande region west of Rio de Janeiro.
And what made this email unusual were the photographs attached.
One shows the imprint of a human body on a bed sheet.
Another shows dark scorch marks on the wood ceiling above the bed, also in the pattern of a human body.
You can see these photographs right now at my website, www.earthfiles.com.
On the headlines page, click on tonight's top story about the alleged Brazilian abduction, and you can follow along with my report, and you can see all these photographs.
There was also a photograph of some strange round stones that reportedly fell out of the sky around 7 o'clock in the evening on September 15th, 2002 for several seconds, right before a man named Yurindir Oliveira disappeared from his bedroom for three days.
Mr. Oliveira is 39 years old and was born and raised in Sao Paulo, southwest of Rio de Janeiro.
He said that in 1976, he first encountered tall, blonde-haired extraterrestrial beings when he was 13 years old in the country outside Sao Paulo.
The Scandinavian-looking entities took him into a craft and they put objects in his neck, which the beings told him would, quote, facilitate our communication and interaction, unquote.
And there is an x-ray of Mr. Olivira's neck at earthbiles.com, and it shows three small white dots inside his neck bones.
Yeah, then in October 1998, his second alleged abduction occurred in the Campo Grande region, and then his third abduction was allegedly on Sunday, September 15th, also at the Campo Grande site, the event with the body prints on the bed sheet in the ceiling.
And Mr. Oliveira does not speak English, but Philippe Branco does.
Mr. Branco, an executive at Castello Branco Limited, was educated at the University of London, and he runs businesses now for his family's ranches and holding companies in Rio de Janeiro, Italy, and Campo Grande.
Mr. Branco was driving to see Mr. Oliveira, who he has befriended since 1996.
And this date on September 15th, he was coming along a road, could see the house, and as he neared the house, small round rocks fell from the sky onto Mr. Branco's car and the surrounding ground.
And what happened next, Mr. Branco is going to tell us in his own words.
But first, there is now controversy about what happened.
In early December, Brazil's Mutual UFO Network director, A.J. Gavard, who publishes and edits Brazilian UFO magazine, told me on the phone that the alleged Oliveira abduction was a hoax perpetrated for publicity in order to scam money from people and make Mr. Oliveira and his followers rich.
On December 13th, Is there any sign that that, in fact, has been occurring, that there's been solicitation of funds for any reason surrounding this that we know about?
No, and when you hear Mr. Bronco, I think you will understand this is a very rural area.
And he explains to some extent how an association to research this area got started, and they raised funds to build a facility where they could have some kind of just basic housing with people being out there in this rural area where there's nothing else there.
And outside of that, so far, the indications of everything that I know is that this is not a man who is wealthy and that this, I don't think, is a scam.
But in fairness to Mr. Geverd, we should at least quote in an email that he sent to, quote, the international UFO community by email on December 13th.
And the email begins, quote, please be informed that the story of a man abducted in Brazil with dramatic photos of the scenario is a campaign to promote overseas the biggest UFO hoaxer of all time in Brazil,
Yurindir Fernandez de Oliveira, who has actually created a sect of fanatics around him composed of people who blindly believe in his alleged ET contacts and healing powers, none of them ever confirmed by anyone.
The man has been repeatedly exposed as hoaxer by dozens of UFO researchers, and many people, even from his sect, after waking up to reality, have come forward to describe Hurandir's tricks and scheme, unquote.
Now, Philippe Bronco had also received A.J. Guevard's email when I reached him by telephone on December 13th at the Campo Grande office.
And one of the things, one of the first things Mr. Branco said was, how can this man make these accusations, Mr. Guevard, if he has never been here to even research the phenomena?
That was his first point.
And here, in his own voice, is Mr. Branco now with his reaction to the hoax allegation and his description of what he says he saw and heard himself on September 15th, 2002 at the alleged abduction location.
And we formed a UFO Research Association with all the people that have been traveling there and doing research there.
We're beginning to gather all those people.
We're about 1,000 plus members.
So let's say, we build up facilities there so that we can go there and stay in a house, have running water and all the minimum facilities to do all the research and all the work there.
Because otherwise, it will be impossible.
So when Mr. Geverard alleges that Uranier charges fortunes for people who come and visit, it's a ridiculous accusation.
If you come and see it for yourself, you're going to stay there.
We have a very basic, let's say, we have very basic facilities there, a minimum to be able to stay there for a few days and perform the research we've been performing for six years.
Because I was already doing research in Campo Grande with LG.
I've seen their ships, everything, beams.
I had done many encounters there, incredible stuff, you know.
But I was very afraid, you know, because I could never see myself involved directly with this, you know.
Because it's very difficult to believe, even though you see them in front of you and all that.
It's strange, you know.
It's like you're dreaming, you know.
It's like you're in Disneyland.
I don't know.
It's very strange.
It's very difficult to accept this reality.
This last abduction that he suffered, let's say, when he was in the ship, he said he saw many of them there.
He saw the red, the blonde, the short one, others with olive skin, chocolate kind of skin, not black, chocolate, cinnamon kind of tone, the tone of the skin.
And they are working together, these people.
I think they're more or less doing a joint venture, let's say, here.
Now, can you please explain again why it was that you and the 27 other people were there with Mr. Oliveira?
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Because he wanted witnesses.
Because this ET said, we're going to come and pick you up.
You're going to stay with us for some time.
While we will pick you up, we're going to materialize these stones as if they were raining, you know, those round stones.
And we want witnesses.
So he said, so he warned all members of the association, said, all those that can be, that they do not have work engagements, they can be here in Campo Grange for this event, please come.
So they came.
And we stayed there the whole week waiting because he did not know.
And what did he tell everyone that had happened in that Sunday to Monday to Tuesday time?
And when we come back in the next half-art, we can get into those details, which are interesting and relate to what a lot of people are talking about in changes on this earth.
And what I've got now is an excerpt about what Mr. Oliveira told Mr. Bronco and all of those other researchers there after they got into through the locked door and found him inside of his bedroom wanting to get out.
Here now is Mr. Branco about what Mr. Oliveira said.
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He said that he was laying on his bed, he was reading this book, and then the room filled with this violet light, and he felt a fevered type of sensation, like his body hitting up.
And then he saw himself being lifted and then through the ceiling, through the roof, and inside the ship there.
When he got there, there was this bean.
They showed him to the cylinder, this transparent cylinder that he had to lay down inside there.
And then the cylinder closed, and there was this smoke.
He said, the smoke filled the cylinder.
And then there was as if this jumpsuit materialized on him.
It's more or less like this.
Then he came out of the cylinder, then they brought him to the big room with other beings there, and they were telling him things, showing him things on a screen.
What did he say that they showed him on the screen and told him?
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They showed him how he's supposed to, let's say, give information in certain times, you know, about the things that are going to happen and how he's supposed to aid in this.
And showed him images of this.
But what he told me is that between 2003 and 2012, he said there's this not a meteor, but there's a that's coming inside our solar system that's going to affect our our electromagnetic field, that's going to affect the polar like the polar shift type of thing, you know.
But he said it's not as dramatic as people are saying, you know.
It's much lighter.
The event is going to be is going to be much lighter, not really as dramatic as people are saying there.
And he said that it's going to be like, he said, like ice rocks falling to the earth.
What you're saying is that there will be more illnesses on the earth that we'll not have a cure for?
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Yes, and he said that later on these beings, they will provide information to certain people around the planet to heal this, because we will not have technology to deal with this disease.
And if the extraterrestrials know all this is coming and know that there is biological warfare now and it will get worse, why don't they stop it?
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I asked that to him many times.
It has to do with direct intervention.
You cannot directly intervene.
They can help in a certain way.
And also, the interaction between us and them is difficult.
You have to have your energetic fields, your personal vibrational frequency very balanced, you know, in order to sustain a contact and interact with them.
Does Mr. Olivira say to you that these blonde and red-haired beings, and the ones that are dark-skinned and short and all, this whole group, they are taking me because he explain why I'll focus on him?
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On him?
He said like this.
They are doing this to many people, but he did not specifically explain why him.
And in the wake of Spielberg's taken, 20 hours on television, that was definitely setting the tone of a sort of sweet and innocent genetic experiment on the earth, the experience here at the Campo Grande area in Brazil makes you wonder about these tall humanoid beings,
the blondes and the red hairs, that have long been reported in South America and Peru as almost as if they watch and they monitor and they interact, they interfere in some cases.
But it is as if they are not going to change events if humans are in some way moving along on a timeline.
And that is always something that has bothered people in the human abduction syndrome.
I've heard that so many times.
Why don't they stop it if they can see the future?
The one case, you know, of the man with strep A that to go from, oh look, a rash to a rash everywhere to dead within a few hours, that I'm not familiar with.
And another very interesting part of this story that I will continue to follow up at EarthFiles.com, radio, and Dreamland Online is the American scientist who still remains anonymous, but I will be able to report the findings that he has and is working on now concerning the ceiling and the bed and some other areas when that report is ready, hopefully in the beginning of 2003.
Well, certainly, Linda, as I look at the bed, for example, there are areas darker than other areas.
That would seem to indicate to me that there is some recoverable mass of some kind of material that would cause this, I don't know whether you want to call it a stain, a burn, or whatever it is.
It obviously is thicker in some areas.
There would be something recoverable here to test, right?
Yeah, Mr. Bronco said that the American scientist, who remains anonymous, did collect from the bed and from the ceiling and rocks and various things.
And there is also more research underway on the study of these rocks.
A.J. Guevara said that a geologist in Brazil claims that the rocks are normal.
However, Mr. Bronco, his family, has ranched in that area for three or four generations.
And he said that in his own experiences around the country, that the only place that he has ever seen the quantity of these round stones is in this Campo Grande area where this flat-topped mesa, I have a couple of photos at EarthFiles.com.
It reminds me almost of Devil's Tower in Wyoming, only shorter and fatter.
And this is a valley where these events have happened.
And these experiences have not been confined to Mr. Oliveira.
Mr. Philippe Branco, he's had his own first-hand face-to-face with a very strange creature.
There is a photograph that he sent me that is enhanced, and it is quite odd.
I looked at the original photograph.
I have dealt with the enhancement, and I've got it at EarthFiles.com.
This was a small, dark-skinned humanoid with intense yellow eyes wearing some kind of a blue-colored garment.
And Mr. Branco and his colleague Flavio Mori came face to face with this.
They've also had encounters alongside with Mr. Oliveira in which Philippe Branco, Mori, and others have watched Mr. Oliveiri's forehead suddenly seem to glow in a pulsing light in total in think or reaction to tall red-haired and
tall blonde-haired beings that Mr. Branco and others have watched through binoculars, watching the faces and the foreheads of the beings close through binoculars, seeing their foreheads seem to pulse with light and watching Mr. Oliveira's.
And Mr. Oliveira doesn't know what is exactly happening except that when this does occur, he is left with the residue of thought.
And Mr. Oliveira explains that it has something to do with telepathic communication with these particular beings.
And it made me wonder, you know, in the various ancient texts and religious literatures of the planet, there periodically have been descriptions of the tall beings with the glowing faces.
You know, Americans should realize we are but 260 million or whatever the current figure is of the world's population, and so these incidences would naturally occur around the world.
And you know, another interesting thing in terms of physical evidence, I would personally like to work with some geologists in this area one way or another, and Philippe Branco would welcome that kind of help.
There is a photograph at earthfiles.com of the circular depressions in stone.
Now, Philippe Branco says that there have been eyewitnesses who have seen pulsing lights set down on this hard stone that is associated with this mesa, this wide sort of devil's tower.
Making these impressions in the stone, and if so, that would involve some kind of frequency or heat.
And to make that link, I would think it may be difficult.
But nevertheless, these photographs are quite interesting.
They're very circular.
And he said there's many of these depressions in this one particular area where this flat-top mesa is above the valley where all this phenomena has occurred.
Yes, and Mr. Branco said that Mr. Oliveira refers to a vortex, at least in the Portuguese to the English translation, because Mr. Oliveira speaks Portuguese, that he refers to it as like a vortex, an opening that they, and he refers to them as extraterrestrials from other planets.
Nothing about dimensions.
He says very frankly that they are from some planet someplace.
And that they know how to use electromagnetic fields in certain ways.
That this planet has magnetic lines that change and some will weaken and collapse and then reform.
And that these beings know somehow how to interact with that.
Right, and what you mean is that technologically there may be beings so advanced that they could manipulate gravity, space, and time in such a way that they might even be in another universe and still be able to penetrate this one in some way through time.
And in the crop formations, constantly has come up the theme, for example, from Robert Vanderbrucker in Holland, who has seen the strange lights that have interacted with the field in Hooven, Holland.
And he has repeatedly, for five years, gotten the impression and says that he thinks that those lights have something to do with angels.
Well, angels might be considered an intelligence that's in another dimensional frequency, maybe even in another universe that has some ability to send some kind of a plasma probe or something that does work on this planet that may be programmed, but that the intelligence associated with the lights may not ever even be here in this particular matter world.
You know, Linda, a lot of times I think whether they're angels, devils, extraterrestrials, extra-dimensionals, that our perception of that is colored by our biases, you know, our own personal biases.
When something comes along that you absolutely cannot explain, your brain is going to reach out and try and explain it with what you know.
And remember that incredible milk hill from 2001 that was 787 feet across, 409 circles, perfect circular geometry on a slanted field that had six-foot ditches undulating throughout the field, and yet from the air it was perfect circular geometry.
And that one formation has stopped everybody in their tracks, including some of the people out of London who have liked to go out in the fields and play around.
And it was such an extraordinary formation that made everybody Stand back and say, this is not possible in terms of human understanding what could possibly have interacted on that kind of scale.
And in some ways, what's happened in Brazil, what's happening in other parts of the world, the crop formations, they're all provoking the human to look beyond where we are, that there's something trying to get our attention art.
Something like Mr. Oliveira, who are these tall blondes and these tall red hairs with green eyes that have been reported in South America for decades with always the story about something in the future that they have knowledge about and that they're here monitoring and watching and that they have limited interaction with the earth.
Born Sylvia Shoemaker in Kansas City, Sylvia Brown was raised predominantly Catholic, but also absorbed the Jewish, Episcopalian, and Lutheran backgrounds of her extended family.
At the age of three, she realized she had a psychic gift, could communicate with spirits from the other side with the help of her grandmother, Ada Coyle.
Also established a respected psychic counselor, Sylvia came to understand her many psychic abilities, learned how to use her gifts to help others.
After spending 18 years as a Catholic school teacher, Sylvia Brown decided it was time to dedicate her life to passion for spiritual knowledge.
Lectures in her home with 15 to 20 friends soon grew to gatherings of 200 to 300 people in churches and town halls.
Before long, she was making television appearances as well as appearing before standing room-only audiences all across the country with an M.S. in English literature, minors in theology, and comparative religion.
Brown has also earned the status of master hypnotist.
In 74, founded the Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research, which is now the Sylvia Brown Corporation.
In 1986, she established a non-profit organization called the Society of Novus Spiritus, which has a membership in now the thousands.
in a moment sylvia brown And here is Sylvia Brown.
Sylvia, the first thing I would like to ask you, we're going to go through so much incredible information tonight.
I guess I'd like to know, when you're not dealing specifically with a person, when you're dealing with general predictions or visions or communications or understandings, how specifically do these things come to you?
And so I wonder, in your case, how are you able to know that you're separating what might be wandering in your mind from what is clearly information coming from elsewhere?
Well, one of the things that we've already faced, the buildings in New York came down, the Pentagon, we're facing terrorism.
And I think almost everybody would like to know what you know, if anything, about what this country or the world, for that matter, faces ahead with terrorism.
But I do want to be careful here to separate, Sylvia, what you're worried about, which is probably what we're all worried about, and what you may know psychically.
So are you saying then you see other areas of transportation being hit like trains and trucks and anything that's going to cripple us as far as our foodstuffs or our products coming in?
I know psychically it's very difficult to attach timelines to things, but it's always what people want, of course.
Yeah, and you know what I'm really concerned about too, and this is on a psychic level too, is then I'm worried about other countries that are going to get into this for fear that we're going to be sniffing around.
And I know that we say that, you know, maybe the UN is behind this, but I think we're going to find a flaring up of, let's say, Vietnam or China or whatever is going to flare up.
So I don't think, I think this is just the beginning of other countries getting concerned about us going in there and stiffing around.
I mean, it seems to be, let's go to war and get this settled.
Now, do I think that something should be done with Saddam and all these other dissidents?
Of course I do, but I just believe that because of the war, that we have so many factions That are what we call the religious jihad that's going to really come back at us because they think we're infidels and devils.
And I don't mean the whole Islamic community because everybody knows that Muhammad was a very religious spiritual person.
But you see, every man has a chart to do what he's going to do.
And I think this is probably, you know, like Dickens said, the best of times and the worst of times.
I think this is probably the time that everybody can spiritually grow more than they've ever grown.
But what I'm saying is we're also seeing, it's probably one of the most trying times that we've seen, at least in yours and my lifetime, and many people out there.
Somebody in the last hour on a non-related topic, maybe, said that, and it kind of raised the hair on the back of my neck, that the biological war has already begun.
And I thought I would ask you about that.
There could be a biological release, Sylvia, that we wouldn't know about until sometime after it had occurred.
But I work with 320 doctors, and there's no doctor that I know that says that strep does that.
You know, I mean, I got a letter from my grandkids' school and said that there's an hoof and mouth.
Well, I mean, come on.
I mean, I've lived in this world a long time, and I remember back in the 70s that I started picking up things like fibromyalgia and lupus is on the rise.
Yeah, we have non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and we have just the ALS is on the right.
MS is on the right.
I mean, I talk to 20 people a day.
I mean, I have a large, large group of sort of having my finger on the pulse of people, and they have got illnesses, and doctors are just throwing up their hands and saying, we don't know what the hell's wrong with you.
I think we've been under it for quite a while, and we haven't figured out, you know, we haven't, or else they don't want to tell us, let's put it that way, that we are under, because I talk to people day in and day out that are aching all over.
Yeah, I think that we were colonized like sort of the Lord of the Rings.
I think we were put here not only from God or reincarnation, which I do believe, but I do believe this earth was colonized to be a testing ground to learn for God.
These are pretty dark words from Soviet Brown, who did not issue these kinds of words previously.
And I don't know that I was ready for it, but here it is.
And the trouble for me is that apparently before times get better, they're going to get a lot worse, assuming they will get better at all.
And she's now joining a chorus of many others who are saying virtually the same thing.
With regard then to things that would make us sick, ill, or possibly kill us, biological warfare or that directed back at us from Mother Nature, how afraid of all this should we be?
I don't know if it's fearsome much as looking at it as being, yes, it is fearsome, but I think I'd also look at it as a learning period, because I think that no time in history are we facing, you know, of course they talk about the Black Plague, you know, and all the other things that we've had happen in the Holocaust, but I think we're facing, you know, it's strange because how...
And I've changed phone companies and everything, and I still get kind of rattly and goofy.
But no, but I think that it really is.
See, what I keep seeing is that, not to be unpleasant, but I see 50 years of just this dissension and all kinds of crazy things going on, biochemical warfare, and then retaliation.
And then for the next 50 years, it will be peace.
But how this all started was I had a host on a show ask me what I saw in 25 years.
I told him in 50 years.
And then I got to 100 years and it went blank on me.
Now, two things could be operating art because I'm sensible and scientific enough that either that's the end of things or I can't see that far.
I am more apt to believe that that's the end of time.
A listener, Johnny, in Marengo Valley, California, asks, in the past, Sylvia has said, and maybe you didn't, that the Mayan calendar may actually end in 2003, not 2012.
Yeah, in other words, you know, where California is, and then we're going to see some tremendous tidal waves, you know, that's going to erode the coastlines.
And that's when we're going to see an awful lot of these.
Actually, started, actually, honestly, before 9-11, I started getting antsy about everything.
I really started, and I thought, oh, come on, you know, don't get caught up in all this hubbub.
And then when I began to sit down, like I was telling you earlier in the program, and sit down and start doing the predictions, I couldn't come up with anything that was that positive.
I think that, you know, it's sort of like, you know, before we say, you know, there was a meteorite that dimmed out the sun and the no foliage grew and the dinosaurs.
But I think it's more than that at this time.
I think it's just man destroying man.
And like I said, we're terrorists in our own country.
I mean, look at, like I said to you earlier, look at what we've done to our own planet.
I think they would, too, but I think the way the world is, and I don't mean to be mean, but I think that if they landed on the, even in the White House lawn, probably somebody would shoot them.
I think they're trying to approach us systematically, silently, and little at a time, because people, not all people, but some people are so ignorant that they wouldn't know if they did see a spaceship.
They'd probably try to shoot it out of the sky rather than see what somebody had to say.
I think that rather than Lucifer and his band of legions, I think we have dark, let's say not color-wise, but inside, dark entities that separated from the very beginning that were just as bad.
And we just happen to call them Lucifer and, you know, the band of, but I think we just have dark entities that are just irretrievable.
This shows man's free will choice from the very time that he came from the divine sparkler that he separated from God.
Well, then, how sure are you that all of what's happening right now or what you see in the next, say, 50 to 100 years is not being delivered to our doorstep by our own minds?
Oh, you know, it sounds conceited, but thousands of times.
I've even been able to be with somebody like you and tell you that somebody, in fact, I just did this the other day.
This woman came in and somebody by the name, I said, who is Bill that's related to you?
She said, that's my brother-in-law.
And I said, he's got to go in because he's got an aorta that's ready to burst in his stomach.
And she said, oh, don't be ridiculous.
He just had a physical.
But his wife, who believed in me, sent him into the doctor.
And he said, if she hadn't said this, he would have been dead.
So you see, that's what keeps me going day after day, hour after hour, is because if you don't get the hits and you don't help people and you don't save them, then what's the use of doing it?
But I also search my mind and pray to God that there is some way that I can, if there's any way that there's a miracle, because I do believe in miracles, if there's a miracle possible, if there's any way that we could get them somewhere, whether it's males or somewhere, that there could be something that could be done.
Well, I think people know me well enough that I've had people say to me on the phone, I'm calling you because I know that above all, you'll tell me the truth.
And that's probably the greatest compliment and the greatest sorrow that I do have because I will tell the truth.
And Montel always warms up his audience by saying, please, in the name of God, literally, don't ask her if you don't want to know because she'll tell you.
I think as soon as I found out, or as soon as I began to pick it up, prior to September, and I began to pick it up, I think it was around June before 9-11 happened.
This, of course, is Coast to Coast A.M. Definitely in the nighttime.
I'm Art Bell.
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He left his ladybird.
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Lady Bird, come on.
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All right, we've encouraged Soviet to another telephone so we might have a bit of an improvement for audio, and that's a good thing because what she's saying is that Soviet is certainly totally unprecedented.
She's joining a group of other psychics, in fact, remote viewers, who are seeing walls beyond which they see nothing.
Virtually concluding that one possibility is that time is ending.
Pretty serious conclusion, indeed.
I'm Mark Bell.
Stay right there.
Once again, here is Sylvia Brown.
Sylvia?
The end of time is a hard thing for most people to even contemplate.
I mean, as I suppose most people believe in creation, the majority of the people in this country being Christian believe in creation, then this would be, in essence, the opposite of creation.
It would be either the planned or the unplanned end of everything.
Well, I think that this has always been the training ground, let's say, for us to come down into this, not to be negative, into this hellhole to learn for God.
And then when that schematic is over, then it's over.
And people that are really trying to come down and learn spiritually through all their lifetimes or whatever have learned.
And then that's the end of this schematic.
I'm sure we could go other places if we wanted to.
You know, I'm sure that that's not the end of it, but at least we get to go to the other side and have a great time.
Well, you know, for years and years, I listened to people and did, you know, studied astral projection and death and dying and also hypnosis therapy where you take people to the death.
And, you know, it was so amazing to me, I was psychoscientist, if you keep getting people from every faith that have gone through death experiences as well as astral experiences, and they all see the same topography, you really have got to start sitting up and taking notice.
I would move my family down to what my spirit guides always talked about as a golden triangle, whether, you know, like Santa Fe, Arizona, around that area, you know, because she says in New Mexico, the Phoenix, that's the safe place.
Let's talk a little bit about continuing to talk about death.
What is predetermined death time?
I don't know.
For example, I'm not sure, Sylvia, that I would want to know when I'm going to die, but it is eminently possible to know exactly when you're going to die, is it not?
If you go back to the original, and I know people don't like to hear this, but you wrote your chart the same as you did when you were in college or whatever.
You wrote your program.
Of course, I've always wondered, and I don't drink or take drugs, but I always wondered if they had something over there that they gave me that I chose, all this stuff that I've chosen.
But neither here nor there.
Looking back on it in retrospect, I understand why I had the life that I lived or have lived.
It's because it made me stronger.
Having a mother that was kind of, you know, goofy or whatever, I learned, and because of that, because of her, I think I became a better mother.
See, you can always turn a negative into a positive instead of walking around being whiny and crying about it all the time.
Not to put in a commercial, but I think that's why my publisher wanted me to write the Spirit Guide book now because people are, you know, maybe it was always so, but people are coming out of the closet and say, look, I heard my guide.
I saw this person at the foot of my bed.
We never used to hear that before.
Maybe it was always there, but people were afraid to say, but, boy, they're sure coming out with it now.
I'm writing a book also that has not only the other side, but ghosts, which has always been interesting to people because it always shows the survival of the spirit.
And ghosts are, of course, not the best phenomena in the world because it means that somebody's trapped.
But I think why the interest is always there is, oh my God, there is something that survives.
I mean, Art, that sounds really crazy, but I've talked to them.
And you know where I've found the most is, strangely enough, and I've been all over the world, is the most that I've ever found is, strangely enough, in the British Isles.
And I think I have somewhat of a scientific solution for that.
Not only is an old country, but I think the atmosphere is so thick that electrically, because we're all electrical beings, are able to get in easier.
Because when I went back to Dublin this year, I ran into two ghosts, and you talked to them over there, and they said, oh, yeah, that was Marian Wiggins, and she was, you know, a waitress here, and we see her all the time.
It usually always is some kind of, and it's so fluky because I've seen people die traumatically and make it, and I've seen other people die traumatically and not.
And it doesn't seem that if they were religious, non-religious, it just seems to be a fluke.
It's something that is unfinished, undone.
And what I have found, this seems to be a thread that runs through it, is that there is an unresolved love affair or a mother with a child, it always has to do with love, somehow.
No, I don't do any of those things either, and I come from a family of longevity.
But, you know, and I'm hearing more and more people say to me, Sylvia, I can't wait to get to the other side, which is something that, you know, it seems like it would seem depressing to some of the listeners.
But I think people are just worn out because, see, I've always believed this is where hell is.
I don't believe there's some pit in the ground with somebody in a red suit and horns.
I wish there were.
At least we could pick them out.
We wouldn't marry him or whatever.
But, you know, Sheol was nothing more, that's where the church got the word from, was nothing more than a burning dumpster where it constantly burned outside of Jerusalem, and they made that into hell.
It's sort of like, even though it's sort of metaphorical, I've always believed, in other words, God's saying, unless you want to learn and go down and till the field and bury your children in sorrow, you're never going to learn.
You're never going to eat from the tree of knowledge.
So this is hell, purgatory, whatever.
And then, of course, we ascend then to heaven when we get through.
We go back home.
We come down to this hell of a college or a bad camping trip, as I call it, and then we go back home.
But if you stop and think about art from all the billions of people that have lived and died, we make such a big to-do about the people that are not, because, of course, it makes news, because there you go with the survival research.
But think about all the billions of people that have gone that have made it.
They make a big to-do about this small number of people.
The majority of people make it.
And even those people that don't, there was a famous case, very documented, of the lady in brown.
She was probably the most photographed ghost in the history of England.
And every day at 2.30, she came down the steps, and everybody photographed her.
Well, one day she didn't come down, and everybody called and said, what the hell happened?
I said, somebody got her.
Somebody finally grabbed her and said, look, kid, get over here.
Well, not only that, but if we know, when I was in Alexandria, we know that Cleopatra's temple is submerged because, you see, it's been close enough in lifetime, and the archaeologists have found it.
But let's say we had 5,000 or 6,000 years upon, beyond that, we'd say, oh, come on, she didn't have a temple there.
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I just played what I consider to be a really beautiful song about reincarnation.
And, you know, I tend myself to believe in that, and certainly in something more than we are now.
I mean, people will say to you, look around you, God is everywhere in every detail, everything.
It's so perfect.
But then there's another argument, folks, and that is that it would have to be that way for us to have evolved and be here, for us to consider everything to be God all around us, maybe just ourselves fooling ourselves.
In other words, yes, the leaves are perfect and they are so beautiful and the changing of the seasons and the snow and the rocks and the magnificence of everything that's on the earth that allows us to be here.
But it has to be here for us to have evolved.
And there's the amazing Randy and then there's Matthew Alper who I think convinced me that even if you go into the darkest part of the jungle where man has never been before and you find people have never been touched by man, modern man, they worship something.
Absolutely.
The sun, the earth, they worship something.
They do sacrifices to stuff and all, you know, they all have some kind of belief.
But when you really, really get into it investigatively and you find, like I told you earlier, that all these people see the same things, that they experience the same things, that they see their angels, that they're now beginning to see their guide, that they see their loved ones more so than they ever did before.
How can you discredit that?
can't be some big imagination that's hit the world.
And that's why I'm saying with all this dire stuff...
Well, you know, you can't necessarily know that the salt vaccine was good until the sugar cube was put under your tongue either, and then it got rid of the illness.
You see what I'm saying?
The sugar cube by itself doesn't seem to be anything, but or the drops or the inoculations.
But after a while, when it doesn't come anymore, you say, hey, you see what I mean?
Wonderful guides and loved ones that watch over us.
I mean, you know, you can't discredit the fact when I was standing in a room with a woman that was dying, because I've seen so many deaths and dying, and she said, Ruth's here.
And everybody in the family said, no, Ruth isn't here.
She's in Colorado.
And I'm telling you, Ruth is in, of course, the woman died.
Two hours later, the phone rang, and they said, Ruth was dead.
Now, how do you explain that?
I mean, and I could give you story after story, thousands of stories, and make your hair stand up on end.
I mean, after a while, you've got to say, hey, come on, something's going on here.
How egotistical to think we're this little tiny dinky dot at the end of the Milky Way and look up at this myriad of and say, hey, I'm the only light there is.
Yeah, see, I do think that with all of its dire predictions, I think there's going to be a marvelous harmonic convergence, which means nothing more than people coming to a great amount of spirituality and understanding of not only just what the other side is, but what life really meant.
god no That before all of this ends, before the end of time arrives, or whatever's ending, I guess time, that these others will arrive and they will show us other things that we have imagined, like anti-gravity.
He said to me that he didn't, he would never say this openly, but that he believed what I said, that there was anti-gravitational rods that actually lifted the stones up from Absolutely said that to me in his office.
I think that Andromeda is probably where we've been colonized the most.
I'm sure we have Hempleiades and all that, but I think that most of the people that I've found or did regressions with, and those go into the thousands, keep mentioning Andromeda.
So I think that makes sense, not only, like I said, from the distance factor, but that we did come.
And every time I take someone into a path, not only in this life, but let's say to another planet, no planet seems to be as maniacal as this one.
In fact, when I was a young girl in Missouri, my guide said to me, my spirit guide said, this is the insane asylum of the universe.
And for a young Catholic Jewish girl, I thought, well, that's a mean thing to say.
But after you grow up and you get older, you think, my God, this is there.
Everything that you could ever even imagine or not imagine in horror goes on in this world.
And that's not being negative.
It's just the molestations, the kidnapping, the murders, the serials.
I mean, it's things that man has never even thought of are going.
Yeah, but I think that if you really, really are trying to do good and you love God and you're trying to do good for people, I don't choose to give too much attention to the devil.
I think, in fact, we've made the devil too important.
Why don't we just have a great big God and a little bitty devil?
We've got so much of this falder-all about demonic possession and demons and all that.
Let's, you know, and there we go again.
What we think.
Why don't we just look at God being a loving God who's given us a place to react and learn from and forget about somebody that's going to always be and how egotistical.
I have a friend, which I won't mention because she's very fairly famous, thinks that the devil's always bothering her.
And I said to her one day, who are you anyway, that you're so important that the devil would just want to bother you?
Is there something else the devil would want to do if there is such a thing?
You know, I'm so important that the devil's just going to.
And I don't blame people for, you know, I've read all 26 versions of the Bible, so I love people that quote Bible to me, whether it's Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
Do not consort with seers and sorcerers.
But it's funny that as you go down into the next chapter, it says, Joseph, you interpret dreams, come over here and interpret our dreams for us.
I think that's why I put myself through so much testing.
In the beginning, my grandmother used to just rail at me.
She said, what's wrong with you?
I mean, you know, I had voices and I had visions, and I said, you know, I hear I was going to be a Catholic school teacher, and I put myself through all this testing, and my grandmother said, why don't you leave it alone?
And I said, but grandmother, you know, grandma said, you know, we could be schizophrenic.
And there could have been 300 years of it, and nobody figured it out.
And I think that's why I was the only one out of the group that ever tested.
I was tested by, you know, Dr. Beale, Dr. Blattner, Rennick, you name it.
I think that when I was 18, I was very concerned about the fact because, you see, at that point, I was in Catholic college, and I was going to be a teacher.
And, of course, you know, Catholicism is full of possession and all that stuff.
And I thought, good Lord, I don't want to be teaching these kids and being goofy.
So that's when I really went over to a Dr. Royal at University of Kansas City and really began to get into it, you know.
And every report came back and said, Sylvia is very normal, in fact, extraordinarily normal, but she's got something very paranormal going on with her.
And I've always said that of all the people in the world, I'm probably the most reluctant of, let's say, the medium-earth psychics, because any of my staff, which is huge, and my people, if I run it up the flagpole and it doesn't wave, it comes down.
I don't believe in this very, very goofy stuff, you know.
You can explain how you get a hold of your spirit guide, what they look like, how you can get a hold of them, and then there is an accompanying CD with it.
And that also gives me a very good indication that you are really rising above everything and becoming more spiritual.
Because isn't that what our Lord said?
That's what the Gnostic belief is that I have, is everybody seeks after their own truth.
If you seek, you'll find.
If you knock, it'll be opened unto you.
unidentified
Well, just like your book that's coming out here about contacting your spirit guide, two months ago, I've just started doing meditations on contacting my spirit guide.
Yes.
And I've actually felt that I was contacted by my spirit guide that.
And ever since then, I've been hearing these little voices in My head.
But I think we're going to have all these wonderful legions of angels and God and our guides are going to be there to help us.
So it's not going to be one of these horrible, you know, nightmarish blow you up and have the devils come and get you and eat you or whatever the hell it is.
Yeah, they're kind of like little, I don't want to call them telebonds, but there's sort of like these little dissenting groups that are hold-up places.
So, you know, I wonder, Sylvia, I understand that in many cases you're telling people what they want to hear, even what they desperately want to believe.
When you tell a mother that her dead child still touches her face, I know, but you're telling people what they want to hear.
You're an expert in hypnosis.
Haven't you ever been concerned, Sylvia, about the things that you say yourself?
I mean, I know that you feel them, and I know you believe them to be true, but don't you ever worry about all this yourself?
Or are you so confident, so sure that you're right, so sure all of this is true?
See, if you really want to get what the Bible is about, you should really get Loms' interpretation because he took it directly from the Aramaic more than Greek or Latin.
But it just means that it's a gathering of souls that are in, like we were talking about, a harmonic convergence.
It could be any name.
It could have been Benedict, Shiloh, whoever.
It means that people are coming together, and then that will be the end of this earth as we know it.
I just wanted to say I really do agree with everything that you've been saying about God and everything.
I've always really had an inclination to believe these things that you've said, you know, about God being everywhere, omnipresent, omniscient, whatnot.
And I had a question just about there is something in Genesis.
I don't know if you've heard of the Nethilem in Genesis.
For a few years I had a newsletter I got a newsletter from a man named Charles Missler who is fallen angels here.
I do know that you're going to be putting out some marvelous books and maybe even a newsletter or something, but there's a lot of writing that's coming up.
And I think the more we protect ourselves with our guides and the white light of the Holy Spirit, the God consciousness and Christ consciousness center, the better off we're going to be.
That's the only thing that's going to save us.
unidentified
Sylvia, this is a big thrill for me.
I mean, I'm telling you because I've been skeptical all my life.
You know, I'm somewhat agnostic, and I'd be a complete atheist, but they don't have any holidays.
First, Art, I want to say I love you, and I'm going to miss you terribly.
Thank you.
And Sylvia, I want to say that there are no such thing as coincidences.
I saw on the website that you were going to be on the radio tonight, and I've been trying for, I think, about two years to call you to tell you how you've changed my life.
I went to one of your salons, and you told me that, I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.
Deep breath, okay.
And you told me that I'm a nurse, and you told me that I wasn't finished with my nursing education, that I was going to become a holistic nurse.
And I am.
I am now.
I did.
I went to school.
I became a holistic nurse.
But my question for you is, I'm now working in hospice care.
How we actually found out about you and we were talking about it earlier about how I'm always skeptic of people being able to say, predict the future and this, that, and the other.
And then I heard you on the Montel show several years ago.
And you were telling your story.
It was one of the first shows that you did with him.
How you were helping out law enforcement and this sort of thing, doing things with them.
Well, I think it just makes your whole psychic ability better.
It just makes you know that there is this companion along the way that is there for you.
I think it just shows you that God doesn't leave you down here also on a wider scale, that you're not alone in this world, that God does send his minions of angels and guides, and they are here to nudge you along the way.
It's just like you were saying earlier, the thing that you had a gut-level feeling.
I know for a fact that it was your guide.
You may think it's just, it could be part of your psychic ability, too, but it's also your guide.
I do want to mention to everybody your book, which is right down the alley of what people have been asking about tonight, Contacting Your Spirit Guide.
Available probably everywhere.
So if people really want to know how to do it, then you not only get the book, but you get a C D with the concentration exercises.
Is that fair?
Yes, it's fair.
That allow you to contact your Spirit Guy to get the job done, right?