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	Great to be here.
	Tonight in the first hour is Linda Moulton Howe.
	Was there a human abduction case in Brazil?
	You decide for yourself.
	She's got the latest.
	Linda Mulcahow, an investigative reporter, a science reporter for this program for years and years and years.
	She does environmental documentaries, author of several books on the strange and unusual.
	She'll be here in a moment with a report on what, well, what happened, I guess, what happened in Brazil.
	And then, in the next hour, Sylvia Brown, an internationally recognized psychic.
	Good time of the year, right at the end of the year, with visions for what's coming in the next year or so.
	Sylvia Brown, in the next hour.
	Should be quite a night, stay right where you are.
	Well, alright, here from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, with more of what she does, and that's investigation and reporting.
	This is the reporting part, is Linda Moulton Howe.
	Hi, Linda!
	Hi Art.
	You know, in the middle of November, just about four weeks ago, a Brazilian businessman named Felipe Castelo Branco emailed to various UFO researchers a brief description of an alleged human abduction in the Campo Grande region west of Rio de Janeiro.
	And what made this email unusual were the photographs attached.
	One shows the imprint of a human body on a bed sheet.
	Another shows dark scorch marks on the wood ceiling above the bed, also in the pattern of a human body.
	Scorch marks in the pattern of a human body?
	Yep, dark scorches.
	You can see these photographs right now at my website www.earthfiles.com.
	On the headlines page, click on tonight's top story about the alleged Brazilian abduction and you can follow along with my report and you can see all these photographs.
	There was also A photograph of some strange round stones that reportedly fell out of the sky around 7 o'clock in the evening on September 15, 2002, for several seconds, right before a man named Urandir Oliveira disappeared from his bedroom for three days.
	Mr. Oliveira is 39 years old and was born and raised in Sao Paulo, southwest of Rio de Janeiro.
	He said that in 1976 he first encountered tall, blonde-haired extraterrestrial beings when he was 13 years old in the country outside Sao Paulo.
	The Scandinavian-looking entities took him into a craft and they put objects in his neck, which the beings told him would, quote, facilitate our communication and interaction, unquote.
	And there is an x-ray of Mr. Olivera's neck at EarthFiles.com and it shows three small white dots inside his neck bones.
	Oh brother.
	Yeah, then in October 1998, his second alleged abduction occurred in the Campo Grande region and then his third abduction was allegedly on Sunday, September 15th, also at the Campo Grande site, the event with the body prints on the bed sheet and the ceiling.
	And Mr. Oliveira does not speak English, but Philippe Branco does.
	Mr. Branco, an executive at Costello Branco Limited, was educated at the University of London, and he runs businesses now for his family's ranches and holding companies in Rio de Janeiro, Italy, and Campo Grande.
	Mr. Branco was driving to see Mr. Oliveira, who he has befriended since 1996, And this date on September 15th, he was coming along a road, could see the house, and as he neared the house, small round rocks fell from the sky onto Mr. Bronco's car and the surrounding ground.
	And what happened next, Mr. Bronco is going to tell us in his own words.
	But first, there is now controversy about what happened.
	In early December, Brazil's mutual UFO network director, A.J.
	Guevara, Who publishes and edits Brazilian UFO Magazine told me on the phone that the alleged Oliveira abduction was a hoax perpetrated for publicity in order to scam money from people and make Mr. Oliveira and his followers rich.
	On December 13th... May I stop you and ask a question?
	Is there any sign that that in fact has been occurring?
	That there's been solicitation of funds for any reason surrounding this that we know about?
	I know and when you hear Mr. Bronco I think You will understand this is a very rural area and he explains to some extent how an association to research this area got started and they raised funds to build a facility where they could have some kind of just basic housing with people being out there in this rural area where there's nothing else there.
	And outside of that, so far the indications of everything that I know is That this is not a man who is wealthy, and that this, I don't think, is a scam.
	But, in fairness to Mr. Gouverd, we should at least quote what, in an email that he sent, to quote the international UFO community by email on December 13th, and the email begins, quote, Please be informed that the story of a man abducted in Brazil with dramatic photos of the scenario ...is a campaign to promote overseas the biggest UFO hoaxer of all time in Brazil, your and dear Fernandez de Oliveira, who has actually created a sect of fanatics around him, composed of people who blindly believe in his alleged ET contacts and healing powers, none of them ever confirmed by anyone.
	The man has been repeatedly exposed as a hoaxer by dozens of UFO researchers, And many people, even from his sect, after waking up to reality, have come forward to describe Urandir's tricks and scheme."
	Now, Philippe Bronco had also received A.J.
	Gavard's email when I reached him by telephone on December 13th at his Campo Grande office.
	Before you, just before you play that, Linda, it seems to me that for you to even be proceeding past the point of that email, You must have some doubts about that.
	Otherwise, what are we talking about?
	That's right.
	And one of the first things Mr. Branco said was, how can this man make these accusations, Mr. Gavard, if he has never been here to even research the phenomena?
	That was his first.
	Quite a good point.
	And here, in his own voice, is Mr. Branco, now with his reaction to the hoax allegation.
	And here's a description of what he says he saw and heard himself on September 15, 2002 at the alleged abduction location.
	Here we go.
	Cool.
	In the place.
	He's never done research there.
	This area is very, uh, it's an area of very difficult access.
	It's about 100 kilometers from Campo Grande.
	It's in the middle of nowhere.
	And we formed a UFO Research Association with all the people that have been traveling there and doing research there.
	We're beginning to gather all those people.
	You know, we're about 1,000 plus members.
	So we, let's say, we build up facilities there so that we can go there and stay in a house, have running water, and all the minimum facilities.
	To do all the research and all the work there, because otherwise it would be impossible.
	So when Mr. Gifford alleges that they earned their charges, fortunes, you know, for people who come and visit, it's a ridiculous accusation.
	If you come and see it for yourself, you're going to stay there.
	We have a very basic, let's say we have very basic facilities there, a minimum to be able to stay there for a few days and perform the research we've been performing for six years.
	Does Mr. Oliveira speak English?
	No, he doesn't.
	He's a man of a simple background.
	What kind of background?
	He's done, let's say, high school only.
	He has his education limited to high school studies.
	He used to be involved in construction and stuff like that.
	He's a very simple man.
	What do you know about the beginning of Strange phenomena at this area in Campo Grande where Mr. Oliveira lives.
	It was a very shocking experience.
	Explain.
	Because I was already doing research in Campo Grande.
	I've seen their ship, everything.
	Beams.
	I've done many encounters there.
	Incredible stuff, you know.
	But I was very afraid, you know, because I could never see myself involved directly with this, you know.
	Because it's very difficult to believe, even though you see them in front of you and all that.
	It's strange, you know.
	It's like you're dreaming.
	It's like you're in Disneyland.
	I don't know.
	It's very strange.
	It's very difficult to accept this reality.
	This last abduction that he suffered, let's say.
	When he was in the ship, he said he saw many of them there.
	He saw the red, the blonde, the short one.
	Others, you know, with olive skin, chocolate kind of skin.
	Not black, chocolate.
	Cinnamon kind of tone, the tone of the skin.
	And they're working together, these people.
	I think they're more or less doing a joint venture, let's say, here.
	Why did they take Mr. Oliveira, leaving that imprint on the bed and on the ceiling of the room?
	Uh, the imprint, they, they decided to, well, Mr. Oliverio, he was aware that he was going to be abducted for a third time.
	They had warned him.
	In fact, he called a few researchers there.
	We were like, I could count 28, but there were more.
	Uh, and we were staying there and waiting for, for, for, for this to happen, oh?
	But he did not know that they would, these marks would be left.
	He did not know that.
	We discovered that.
	Now, can you please explain again Why it was that you and the 27 other people were there with Mr. Oliveira?
	Because he wanted witnesses.
	Because this ET said, we're going to come and pick you up.
	You're going to stay with us for some time.
	While we will pick you up, there's going to be... We're going to materialize the stones as if they were raining.
	You know those round stones?
	Right.
	And we want witnesses.
	So he said, so...
	He warned all members of the association, said all those that can't be, that they do not have work engagements, they can be here in Campo Grande for this event, please come.
	So they came.
	And we stayed there the whole week waiting because he did not know.
	The window of time was one week.
	We did not know when.
	So we stayed there.
	And it happened exactly as he said.
	Okay, on that particular day of September 15th?
	Yep.
	What were you doing that evening and where were you and what exactly happened leading up to these dramatic photographs?
	I was arriving in the compound.
	Five minutes before this happened I was arriving there.
	Because I had come to Campo Grande for I had to do some stuff here, then I came back again.
	And then when I was coming back, I could see these stones coming down from the sky.
	That was amazing.
	I stopped the car, I looked.
	What's going on?
	What's going on?
	All these people were coming.
	Running there, there, there.
	They were showing, they were pointing upwards.
	And I could hear my car.
	I was like, my car, what's going on?
	When I looked, you could see these stones, you know, falling.
	It looked as if it was raining stones.
	It picked up many of them.
	And all the other people that were coming, the other 27, they were collecting the stones as well.
	They could see them falling. There's light there.
	They could see them falling on the roof, you know, and making the noise.
	It was a crazy noise. They were like, my God, they were all screaming. They were like, they were afraid.
	They were like, my God, what's going on here?
	The stones fell for like a few seconds.
	10 seconds maybe, 15 seconds.
	But it was prior to his abduction because it was in his house.
	And I was arriving in my car.
	And the storms was falling.
	And then I drove up the driveway of his house.
	And we arrived there.
	We tried to open his bedroom.
	It was locked.
	And we broke in.
	And when we came inside, there was this strange ozone smell.
	And a sour type of smell.
	Very strange.
	And uh... Are you saying sour like vinegar?
	Uh...
	Not really.
	I don't know how to describe it.
	I would say sour is the closest description I can give of the smell.
	The ozone smell was very strong.
	But there was also this kind of sour, strange smell.
	Okay.
	That I cannot identify.
	And there were like all this bunch of people walking inside the room and the hair of our bodies, you know, were raised, you know.
	And what was the first thing you saw inside the room?
	I saw the marks!
	I looked and I was like, Mike, I was shocked.
	I was totally shocked.
	None of us expected this.
	We were all like, my God, what's going on?
	We were very afraid and surprised at the same time.
	Because we were like, my God, was he disintegrated?
	Did he die?
	We were very... And what you're talking about are the marks on the sheet.
	Can you talk about those more?
	Because you were the one there.
	Describe it more.
	They were not scorch marks.
	It was not scorch.
	Did you touch the sheet?
	Yes, I did.
	What did it feel like?
	It felt strange.
	It didn't feel hot.
	There was no smoke involved.
	Nothing.
	Just this strong ozone smell and this sour type of smell.
	I may be coming out from the mattress.
	Okay, now in the photo it almost looks wet.
	Did it feel wet?
	No, they were not wet.
	It looked like a stain, more like a stain, not wet.
	And you touched it with your fingers?
	Oh yes, I touched it.
	So you did not feel moisture and you did not feel heat?
	No, no moisture whatsoever.
	And no heat?
	No heat.
	And did it feel, though, where the leg and the body imprint and the sheet were?
	Did the texture of the sheet feel different there than it did where the body marks were not?
	Uh, yes.
	They felt different.
	They felt rougher.
	The texture felt rougher.
	Where the body marks were?
	Yes.
	And, and you all stayed in that room until how long?
	I mean, and you could look up to the ceiling?
	Yes, when I looked up the ceiling, that was the craziest, because it was like a mirror image, you know?
	We're like, my God, he went through the ceiling and the roof.
	We're very, very impressed.
	We stayed like for like half an hour taking photos, filming, and then we locked the room.
	It is a mirror image.
	We locked the room and we put bedlock so that no one would come in because we were waiting for this American scientist.
	He came, he collected samples, and he took back to the United States to do research.
	Now, how long was Mr. Oliveira gone?
	He left on Sunday around 7 p.m.
	He came back on Tuesday around 9 p.m.
	And when he came back, what was that?
	Were you there and what happened?
	No, I was not there.
	They called me from there and said, please come because he just arrived.
	And it was funny because the room was locked with padlocks, no?
	We all locked the room so to protect and all the things.
	And he returned to the same room.
	They dropped him there.
	In the same place.
	And he was locked there.
	I was like, my God, what's going on?
	They locked me inside here.
	And he had to call and say, please come and pick me up.
	So the people could not believe it.
	They ran and said, my God, he was there.
	They opened the door.
	He was there locked inside the bedroom.
	And he actually called people on a telephone to say, come and open up my bedroom and let me out?
	It's an internal line.
	It's not a telephone.
	And what did he tell everyone that Uh, had happened in that Sunday to Monday to Tuesday time.
	And when we come back in the next half hour, we could get into those details, which are interesting and relate to what a lot of people are talking about.
	Alright.
	In changes on this earth.
	Alright, I'm looking, you know, at these photographs.
	Good God Almighty!
	Uh, it looks like he was scorched off that bed.
	It looks like he went right through that ceiling.
	And they are a mirror image.
	The photographs at earthfiles.com are extremely clear, folks.
	The problem is that the site is so busy, it took me 15 minutes to get through.
	Oh, no kidding?
	Yeah, yeah, I did.
	But it's worth the wait.
	All right, Linda, hold it right there.
	Holy mackerel!
	Earthfiles.com, you've got to see these photographs.
	Looks like something took him off that bed and right through the ceiling.
	Hmm.
	Um, it is odd.
	And rocks falling from the heavens.
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	Well, it certainly isn't difficult to see why Linda's pursuing this.
	You've got to see the photographs at Artifiles.com.
	There's an imprint on the sheets, on the sheet, and then identical flipped imprint on the ceiling.
	It's totally awesome, obviously.
	Something happened there.
	rocks from the clouds off the roof of the house Back into the fray.
	Once again, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, here is Linda Bonhow.
	Linda, welcome back.
	Obviously, you know, after seeing this, a lot of people are going to want to know what kind of information was imparted.
	That's right.
	And what I've got now is an excerpt about what Mr. Oliveira told Mr. Bronco and all of those other researchers thereafter they got into through the locked door and found him inside of his bedroom wanting to get out.
	Here now is Mr. Bronco about what Mr. Oliveira said.
	He said that he was laying down on his bed, he was reading this book, and then the room filled with this violet light, and he felt a fever type of sensation, like his body heating up, and then he saw himself being lifted, and then through the ceiling, through the roof, and inside the ship there.
	When he got there, there was this beam, they showed him to the cylinder, This transparent cylinder that he had to lay down inside there.
	And then the cylinder closed, and there was this smoke.
	You see how the smoke filled the cylinder?
	And then there was, as if this jumpsuit materialized on him.
	It's more or less like this.
	Then he came out of the cylinder, then they brought him to this big room with other beings there, and they were telling him things, showing him things on a screen.
	Okay, now let's talk about that in a second, but what What type of beings were these?
	They were, he said, there were the blondes, the red haired, there was this chocolate skinned, this small hairy one.
	And there were all these sorts of beings there.
	And they were all mixed up together in this large room?
	Yes.
	And when they take him into that large room, where do they put Mr. Oliveira?
	He was standing there, just standing there with them.
	And they were showing him stuff.
	And telling him things, you know.
	What did he say that they showed him on the screen and told him?
	They showed him how he's supposed to, let's say, give information in certain times, you know, about the things that are going to happen, and how he's supposed to aid in this, and showed him images of this.
	But what he told me is that between 2003 and 2012, He said there's this... not a meteor, but there's a... that's coming inside our solar system that's going to affect our electromagnetic field, that's going to affect the polar... like the polar shift type of thing, you know.
	But he said it's not as dramatic as people are saying, you know.
	It's much lighter.
	The event is going to be much lighter, not really as dramatic as people are saying there.
	And he said that it's going to be like, he said, like ice rocks falling to the earth.
	Rocks of ice?
	Yes, blocks of ice.
	He calls them ice rocks.
	Ice rocks.
	That sounds like possibly an encounter with a comet.
	Uh, maybe.
	And it's going to affect certain cities, but he could not recognize the cities.
	He said, they showed me on the screen, these rocks falling and hitting these cities, but I could not recognize them.
	I do not know where.
	And he said that, and he said about this, this, um, uh, not a bacteria, he says this, how do you call it, biological war?
	Yeah.
	He said it's already going on.
	Secretly, let's say.
	It's already going on a certain, uh, bacterial war.
	Biological, chemical, it's going on already.
	He did not explain, I did not understand very well what he, what he meant by that.
	But he said it's already happening in a, let's say, in a light way and it will become very, very serious after 2004.
	As if it's going to be out of control.
	What you're saying is that there will be more illnesses on the Earth that we'll not have a cure for?
	Yes, and he said that later on, these beings, they will provide information to certain people around the planet to heal this, because we will not have technology to deal with this disease.
	And if the extraterrestrials know all this is coming, and know that there is biological warfare now, and it will get worse, Why don't they stop it?
	I asked that to him many times.
	This has to do with direct intervention.
	You cannot directly intervene, you know.
	They can help in a certain way and also the interaction between us and them is difficult.
	You have to have your energetic fields, you know, your personal vibrational frequency very Uh, balanced, you know, in order to sustain a contact and interact with them.
	It's very difficult interaction.
	Does Mr. Olivera say to you, these blonde and red-haired beings, and the ones that are dark-skinned and short and all, this whole group, they are taking me because... Does he explain why a focus on him?
	On him?
	He said that, he said like this, they are doing this to many people, but he did not specifically explain why him.
	He did not say that.
	I don't know if he knows it.
	And in the wake of Spielberg's taken 20 hours on television, that was definitely setting the tone of a sort of sweet and innocent genetic experiment on the earth.
	The experience here at the Campo Grande area in Brazil makes you wonder about these tall humanoid beings, the blondes and the red haired that have long been reported in South America and Peru as almost as if they watch and they monitor and they interact, they interfere in some cases, but it is as if they are not going to change events If humans are in some way moving along on a timeline, and that is always something that has bothered people in the human abduction syndrome, I've heard that so many times.
	Why don't they stop it if they can see the future?
	That's a good question.
	One I would have asked too.
	Now, something I can imagine might be so, which sent a little chill down my spine, is that biological warfare has already begun.
	You know, I've thought about that, Linda.
	Me too!
	You just might not get sick right away.
	Whatever is released might have a certain period of time before... Well, and I thought about it with the Marines.
	All of this problem with the Marines.
	The rash on the man who dies.
	Within hours.
	Yes, and the man who was under 18 years old and underwater and dies.
	They having the streptococcus A Affecting so many Marines.
	The strange possible change in the Norwalk virus on the ships.
	The one case you know of the man was Strep A. To go from, oh look, a rash, to a rash everywhere, to dead within a few hours.
	That I'm not familiar with.
	Yeah, what is that about?
	And another very interesting part of this story that I will continue to follow up at earthfiles.com Radio and Dreamland Online is the American scientist who still remains anonymous, but I will be able to report the findings that he has and is working on now concerning the ceiling and the bed and some other areas.
	When that report is ready, hopefully in the beginning of 2003.
	Well, certainly Linda, as I look at the bed, for example, there are areas darker than other areas.
	That would seem to indicate to me that there's some recoverable mass of some kind of material that would cause this, I don't know whether you want to call it a stain, a burn, or whatever it is, It obviously is thicker in some areas.
	There would be something recoverable here to test, right?
	Yeah, Mr. Bronco said that the American scientist who remains anonymous did collect from the bed and from the ceiling and rocks and various things.
	And there is also more research underway on the study of these rocks.
	A.J.
	Gevares said that a geologist in Brazil Claims that the rocks are normal.
	However, Mr. Bronco, his family has ranched in that area for three or four generations and he said that in his own experiences around the country that the only place that he has ever seen the quantity of these round stones is in this Campo Grande area where this flat-topped mesa, I have A couple of photos at EarthFiles.com.
	It reminds me almost of Devil's Tower in Wyoming, only shorter and fatter.
	And this is a valley where these events have happened.
	And these experiences have not been confined to Mr. Oliveira.
	Mr. Felipe Bronco, he's had his own first-hand face-to-face with a very strange creature.
	There is a photograph that he sent me that is enhanced and it is quite odd.
	I looked at the original photograph.
	I have dealt with the enhancement and I've got it at earthfiles.com.
	This was a small dark-skinned humanoid with intense yellow eyes wearing some kind of a blue colored garment and Mr. Bronco and his colleague Flavio Mori came face-to-face with this.
	They've also had encounters alongside with Mr. Oliveira, in which Philippe Branco, Maury, and others have watched Mr. Oliveira's forehead suddenly seem to glow in a pulsing light in total in sync or reaction to tall Red-haired and tall blonde-haired beings that Mr. Bronco and others have watched through binoculars, watching the faces and the foreheads of the beings close through binoculars, seeing their foreheads seem to pulse with light, and watching Mr. Oliveira's, and Mr. Oliveira
	He doesn't know what is exactly happening, except that when this does occur, he is left with a residue of thought, and Mr. Oliveira explains that it has something to do with telepathic communication with these particular beings.
	And it made me wonder, you know, in the various ancient texts and religious literatures of the planet, There periodically have been descriptions of the tall beings with the glowing faces.
	Sure.
	You know Americans should realize we are but 260 million or whatever the current figure is of the world's population and so these incidences would naturally occur around the world and here is a prime example of one.
	And you know another interesting thing in terms of physical evidence I would personally like to work with some geologists in this area one way or another, and Philippe Bronco would welcome that kind of help.
	There is a photograph at earthfiles.com of the circular depressions in stone.
	Now, Philippe Bronco says that there have been eyewitnesses who have seen pulsing lights set down on this Hard stone that is associated with this Mesa, this wide sort of devil's tower.
	Creating these impressions in the stone.
	And making these impressions in the stone and if so that would involve some kind of frequency or heat and to make that link I would think it may be difficult but nevertheless these photographs are quite interesting.
	They're very circular and he said there's many of these depressions in this one particular area where this Flattop Mesa is above the valley where all this phenomena has occurred.
	One wonders why these hot spots develop.
	The Ranch, you know about that.
	That's right.
	You know, Billy Meyer, if there's anything to all of that.
	And these other various places around the globe all of a sudden get really hot.
	And you've got to ask yourself why.
	Yes, and Mr. Bronco said that Mr. Oliveira refers to a vortex, at least in the Portuguese, to the English translation, because Mr. Oliveira speaks Portuguese, that he refers to it as like a vortex, an opening, and he refers to them as extraterrestrials from other planets.
	Nothing about dimensions, he says, very frankly, that they are from some planet someplace.
	They know how to use electromagnetic fields in certain ways that this planet has magnetic lines that change and some will weaken and collapse and then reform and that these beings know somehow how to interact with that.
	Last night I was speaking with Dr. Michio Kaku, Professor Kaku.
	He said if you had some anti-matter actual material that it would provide a fairly reliable
	portal between hither and yon, both in time and space. In other words, you'd be a different... you
	could be in a different place
	in space as well as in time. It's a very interesting conversation.
	It's something that's not on this earth right now, of course.
	Right, and that what you mean is that technologically there may be
	beings so advanced that they could manipulate gravity, space, and time in such a way that they might even be in
	another universe and still be able to penetrate this one in some way through
	time.
	Yes, or perhaps even move back and forth at will.
	And then they would certainly disappear in front of our eyes.
	It would appear to us as though they were disappearing, yes.
	And that's well within the realm of current theoretical physics thinking.
	And, in the crop formations, constantly has come up the theme, for example, from Robert Vandebroucke in Holland, who has seen the strange lights that have interacted with the field in Hoeven, Holland.
	And he has repeatedly for five years gotten the impression and says that he thinks that those lights have something to do with angels.
	Well, angels might be considered an intelligence that's in another dimensional frequency, maybe even in another universe that has some ability to send some kind of a plasma probe or something that does work on this planet that may be programmed, but that the intelligence associated with the lights I may not ever even be here in this particular matter world.
	You know, Linda, a lot of times I think whether they're angels, devils, extraterrestrials, extradimensionals, that our perception of that is colored by our biases, you know, our own personal biases.
	When something comes along that you absolutely cannot explain, your brain is going to reach out and try and explain it with what you know.
	Yeah, and remember that incredible milk hill From 2001, it was 787 feet across, 409 circles, perfect circular geometry on a slanted field that had six foot ditches undulating throughout the field, and yet from the air it was perfect circular geometry.
	And that one formation has stopped everybody in their tracks.
	Including some of the people out of London who have liked to go out in the fields and play around.
	And it was such an extraordinary formation that made everybody stand back and say, this is not possible in terms of human understanding.
	What could possibly have interacted on that kind of scale?
	And in some ways, what's happened in Brazil, what's happening in other parts of the world, the crop formations, they're all provoking The human to look beyond where we are.
	That there's something trying to get our attention Art.
	Something like Mr. Oliveira.
	Who are these tall blondes and these tall red hairs with green eyes that have been reported in South America for decades with always this story about something in the future that they have knowledge about and that they're here monitoring and watching And that they have limited interaction with the earth.
	And there are almost rules.
	Yeah.
	Almost rules.
	In other words, only so much intervention is possible.
	Preventing a catastrophic event is not possible, but perhaps helping once it's underway is.
	That's hard for a lot of us to understand, but I guess there may be some kind of rules.
	Linda, as always, listen, we're out of time.
	Incredible report.
	As always, absolutely incredible report.
	Working with you all these years has been, as you know, a gigantic pleasure for me, and I hope you will continue to report for Coast.
	Well, I tell you, I am going to miss you so much, and that voice that cracks the night with the thunder.
	And Art, thank you for the time with you, and I hope that I can keep doing Reports on Coast and Dreamland Online and... Well, I'll be back.
	If they invite me, I'll be back from time to time to fill in.
	Alright.
	So, perhaps again we meet on the air.
	Linda, good night.
	Thank you.
	Merry Christmas.
	Merry Christmas to you.
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	Good morning, everybody. Born Sylvia Shoemaker in Kansas City, Sylvia Brown was raised predominantly Catholic,
	but also absorbed the Jewish, Episcopalian, and Lutheran backgrounds of her extended family.
	At the age of three, she realized she had a psychic gift.
	Could communicate with spirits from the other side with the help of her grandmother, Ada Coyle.
	Also established a respected psychic counselor, Sylvia came to understand her many psychic abilities.
	Learned how to use her gifts to help others.
	After spending 18 years as a Catholic school teacher, Sylvia Brown decided it was time to dedicate her life to passion for spiritual knowledge.
	Lectures in her home with 15 to 20 friends soon grew to gatherings of 200 to 300 people in churches and town halls.
	Before long, she was making television appearances as well as appearing before standing room only audiences all across the country with an MS in English Literature, minors in Theology and Comparative Religion.
	Sylvia Brown has also earned the status of Master Hypnotist.
	In 1974, founded the Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research, which is now the Sylvia Brown Corporation.
	In 1986, she established a non-profit organization called the Society of Nova Spiritus, which has a membership in now the thousands.
	in a moment, Sylvia Brown.
	And here is...
	is Sylvia Brown.
	Sylvia, welcome back to the program.
	Oh, it's nice to be with you, Art.
	I'm so happy to have you.
	Sylvia, the first thing I would like to ask you, we're going to go through so much incredible information tonight.
	I guess I'd like to know, when you're not dealing specifically with a person, when you're dealing with general predictions or visions or communications or understandings, How specifically do these things come to you?
	You know, it's easier, actually, Art, with one-on-one.
	When you're doing world predictions, it's tougher, but you just have to.
	Of course, there are so many variables, but I really have to sequester myself in a room and just sit there with pen and paper, and what I do is I go through different categories.
	I go through the economy, All right.
	Here's what I want to ask.
	I interview a lot of remote viewers, for example.
	Right.
	religiously whatever and it just comes through alright simply
	all right here here's here's what i want to ask i i interview a lot of remote
	viewers for example right here doing one more night uh...
	in a remote viewer will say
	remote viewing is disciplined form of a psychic
	uh... that uh... others are much more disciplined applied and they say that
	that screens out the minds
	status for uh... the house for a while tendencies Right.
	And so I wonder in your case, how are you able to know that you're separating what might be wandering in your mind from what is clearly information coming from elsewhere?
	I don't know how to explain it to you.
	It just feels different.
	You know what I mean?
	It just feels different.
	It's like saying, do you know the difference between, I know this sounds corny, but love and hate.
	I mean, it's just very distinctively different.
	It just is more picturesque.
	It's just more, I want to use the word thicker, maybe.
	Thicker.
	Oh, that's okay.
	There's a descriptive word.
	Thicker.
	Heavier, thicker.
	heavier, thicker, more intense maybe.
	Okay. All right, well, let's then begin to look at what's coming. It's the end of yet another year, and it's a very
	good time always to try and look ahead and to see what's in store for us.
	And without even having to be psychic, we can all see we appear to be clearly headed for a war.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But, my God, the things that could come with it.
	Yes, and I've even said that, you know, way before this on television.
	I said, you know, you think that war is going to settle it, the retaliation that's going to come, and I've never been a doomsday, you know, what we call prophet, but the retaliation that's going to come is going to be horrific.
	Speaking of television, before we do move on to that, there was a challenge to you that was the amazing Randy, I think, and Larry King.
	Well, a lot of people saw that, you know, and they don't know how it came out or what came of it or what happened.
	I never did do it, for one thing.
	I just didn't want to do it.
	I got emails from everywhere, in fact, even from investigators and all kinds of things, and I just didn't feel like being set up for it.
	You know, I've been to I guess long in the tooth to get into that with him, you know.
	So you felt like he'd sandbag you somehow or another?
	Yeah, I didn't feel like it would ever be fair, you know.
	I mean, it was kind of a setup.
	And now he started the Atheistic Society, so I'm just kind of aggravated with the whole thing.
	He started the Atheistic Society?
	Yes.
	Has he really?
	I'll be doggone.
	Amazing.
	Yeah, he is amazing.
	Alright, well, one of the things that we've already faced, the buildings in New York came down, the Pentagon, we're facing terrorism.
	And I think almost everybody would like to know what you know, if anything, about what this country or the world, for that matter, faces ahead with terrorism.
	You know what I'm the most concerned about?
	Not, you know, everybody's worried about airplanes.
	See, what I'm the most concerned about is our Transportation.
	I'm worried about our trucks, our trains.
	What better way to cripple us than to cripple us with our food products coming in and out?
	There's no question about it.
	I mean, we depend on food products trucked into the desert here.
	Otherwise, we starve.
	That's right.
	And you start hitting the Teamsters and all that other, you know, Because my father was an old trucking man and you start
	hitting that but I do want to be careful here to be to separate
	Sylvia what you're worried about which is probably what we're all worried about and what you may know
	Psychically. Oh Yeah, I mean, this is like, okay. I mean, I never would
	have ever thought about the transportation of factory, you know
	I was more worried about planes.
	So are you saying you see other areas of transportation being hit?
	Yes, like trains and trucks.
	Anything that's going to cripple us as far as our foodstuffs or our products coming in.
	I know, psychically, it's very difficult to attach timelines to things.
	But it's always what people want, of course.
	They say, God, that's awful.
	I don't want to be without food.
	When?
	See, I'm worried about the middle of the year.
	I'm really worried about June, July.
	Let's nail it.
	That's when I'm really concerned about it.
	June or July?
	Yeah, and you know what I'm really concerned about, too?
	And this is on a psychic level, too.
	Then I'm worried about other countries that are going to get into this for fear that we're going to be sniffing around.
	I know that we say that maybe the UN is behind this, but I think we're going to find a flaring up of, let's say, Vietnam or China or whatever is going to flare up.
	I think this is just the beginning of other countries getting concerned about us going in there and sniffing around.
	Um, so you see something simultaneously occurring.
	Exactly.
	And so we're fighting then two fronts, or fighting probably on a front we don't understand or know, and then on one's other solid.
	Yeah, and we don't seem to have a voice in this.
	I mean, it seems to be, let's go to war and get this settled.
	Now, do I think that something should be done with Saddam and all these other dissidents?
	Of course I do, but I just believe that because of the war
	that we have so many factions that are what we call the religious jihad that's
	going to really come back at us because they think we're infidels
	and devils and i don't mean the whole
	uh... islamic community because everybody knows that muhammad was a
	very religious spiritual person i'm talking about the radical
	i don't think that americans and i'm one of them understand how radicalized their world is.
	Is it a very teeny-weeny percentage?
	Is it an increasing percentage?
	It's increasing in huge numbers.
	It is?
	Yes.
	Because it's become almost, let's call it a rolling belief that we're the infidels.
	You see what I mean?
	And when that happens, then we're the scourge of the earth, you know?
	And we become the scourge.
	And what always amazes me is the oxymoron of a holy war, you know?
	You and I both know there's nothing holy about a war.
	Nothing.
	Well, no.
	But I know that all sides hold God up.
	Absolutely.
	Right in there.
	And then you start asking the question, what side it's got on, you know?
	And it's not so much that.
	It's what man has done.
	It doesn't have anything to do with God.
	It's man that goes rabid.
	And God watches?
	Or God intervenes?
	God watches.
	God holds us in the palm of His hand.
	But you see, every man has a chart to do what he's going to do.
	And I think this is probably, you know, like Dickens said, the best of times, the worst of times.
	Probably the time that everybody can spiritually grow more than they've ever grown.
	But what I'm saying is, we're also seeing what is probably one of the most trying times that we've seen, at least in years in my lifetime and many people out there.
	Somebody in the last hour on a non-related topic, maybe, said that, and it kind of raised a hair on the back of my neck, that the biological war has already begun.
	And I thought I would ask you About that.
	There could be a biological release, Sylvia, that we wouldn't know about until sometime after it had occurred.
	It's a silent killer of all times.
	That's true.
	And you know, there's all kinds of things that we don't, because I'm not medical, but there's all kinds of things that are nerve related.
	You said, I mean, it could be released that we wouldn't even know what hit it.
	Well, there's a lot of weird things going on right now, Sylvia.
	You know, the Norwalk virus.
	People who are getting a rash and then within hours it's over their entire body and boom within hours they're dead.
	They're trying to call it a staph or a strep.
	That's right.
	I work with 320 doctors and there's no doctor that I know that says that strep does that.
	I got a letter from my grandkids school and said that there's a hoof and mouth.
	Well, I mean, come on.
	I mean, I've lived in this world a long time, and I remember back in the 70's that I started picking up things like fibromyalgia and lupus is on the rise.
	Oh yes!
	You have things like Candida and Legionnaires.
	Now, Art, no way in this world are you as old as I am, but we never heard of these kind of illnesses.
	Um... We're slowly being eroded by, and it's two-fold.
	You see, what I'm also concerned about Is that we have actually become the terrorists of this world, too, because we're cutting down our rainforest.
	You know, you're right about that.
	How old are you, Sylvia?
	Sixty-six.
	Sixty-six.
	You're right.
	I'm not as old as you are.
	So, you're right.
	I mean, lupus, fibromyalgia, all of that, not even a word about those things uttered when I was younger.
	Yeah, we have non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and we have, just see, and ALS is on the right.
	MS is on the right.
	I mean, I talk to 20 people a day.
	I mean, I have a large, large group of sort of having my finger on the pulse of people, and they have got illnesses that doctors are just throwing up their hands and saying, we don't know what the hell's wrong with you.
	Yeah.
	So, the question was, is it possible we're already under biological attack?
	Oh, I think definitely we are.
	I think we've been under it for quite a while, and we haven't figured out You know, we haven't, or else they don't want to tell us, let's put it that way, that we are under.
	Because I talk to people day in and day out that are aching all over.
	They've got strange rashes.
	Their glands swell off and on.
	That's all true.
	And no one knows what it is.
	I'm getting a ton of email on these kind of subjects.
	I know.
	And I don't know what to do with it.
	I mean, I'm not a doctor.
	It's hard to put it all together, but you're right.
	I'm getting a ton of that.
	Oh, I do too.
	I get hundreds of thousands of email and I'm answering.
	Letter questions, and I'm sending people to doctors, and I'm trying to get specialists.
	I mean, I'm just running around like a chicken with my head cut off, you know.
	When I'm on TV or I'm doing lectures, I've got people standing up and saying, I've got this weird thing going on.
	And look at the brain tumors that we're seeing.
	I mean, I never used to see that like we do now.
	And here's another thing.
	Look at the infertility problems we're seeing.
	There have been some incredible scary stories about infertility.
	I mean, across the board.
	American males, just across the board, becoming more and more infertile.
	And women, too.
	I think it's nature's way of saying, we've had it with you.
	You've torn down our rainforest.
	You've thrown cigarette butts in the stream and beer cans.
	You've polluted everything.
	See, I'm not ever convinced that this world will survive.
	We're just going to be like the dinosaurs.
	The world's just going to have its way with us, and then we're just going to be eliminated.
	The world will survive.
	So otherwise, how are you feeling?
	In other words, that's pretty dark stuff.
	Yeah, and you know me well enough that I've never been.
	In fact, the last time I was on Montel and I gave just a tiny bit of it to people.
	I know you should say what you feel, especially on this program.
	You know, I can't lie.
	I never have ever done that to people.
	And in the last year, not just since 9-11, in the last two years, I've begun to get more frantic.
	And another thing that just ticks me off is people who don't believe that these crop circles are real.
	I mean, I know some of them are fake, but I do know they were trying to be visited by outer space entities that are trying to give us help.
	Well, Sylvia, there have been some crop circles that man could not possibly in a million years have done.
	Never.
	Never do it.
	And the people who listen to this program and have seen the photographs, one referenced by Linda just before you got on, they know it's true.
	I mean, they know it.
	And they take all their magnetic, and I don't know what it is, but they take their magnetic equipment and that stuff is radioactive.
	I mean, what are you talking about?
	People with, you know, little shoes on or little A board doing that in one night?
	Come on, how stupid is that?
	Uh, well, it's, it is stupid.
	It's just plain stupid.
	It's not that.
	It's something else.
	And I think they're trying to get, I think this is some kind of a language.
	I think this is some kind of a symbol of where we're coming from.
	We're here to, you know, and let's face it, they were really here to hurt us.
	If they could get here, they could wipe us out.
	I think, and to tell you the truth, And I'll go down as being nuts, I don't care, is that I think we were colonized by them in the first place.
	And you can imagine them looking down and saying, what the hell in the world happened to this group?
	You think we were colonized?
	Oh, absolutely.
	That we were perhaps genetically manufactured?
	Yeah, I think that we were colonized like sort of the Lord of the Rings.
	I think we were put here not only from God or reincarnation, which I do believe, but I do believe this earth was colonized to be a testing ground to Learn for God, and look at what we've done to this place.
	Yeah, it is a mess.
	It's a real mess.
	I mean, we murder our animals.
	We, you know, we're doing all kinds of crazy things, like I said, and I talk to scientists all the time, and when I went to Alaska, I mean, the glaciers are melting at an alarming rate.
	Oh, I know.
	And the poles are melting.
	What do you think that's going to be?
	I mean, we're going to be flooded.
	Hold it right there, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	Really, this kind of sings or says exactly what she was talking about.
	When you see the bird they're talking about through the grey, polluted skies, you'll know.
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	Well, there's no question about it.
	These are pretty dark words from Sylvia Brown, who did not issue these kinds of words previously.
	And I don't know that I was ready for it, but here it is.
	And the trouble for me Is that apparently before times get better, they're going to get a lot worse, assuming they will get better at all, and she's now joining a chorus of many others who are saying virtually the same thing.
	With regard then to things that would make us sick, ill, or possibly kill us, biological warfare or that directed back at us from Mother Nature, how afraid of all this should we be?
	I think we, you know, I don't want to sound like, you know, they say on television, you know, these alerts and then nobody has any solutions.
	I have said I think we just should really live our lives, keep our families close to us, learn as much as we can, you know, for this planet.
	And I, you know, not to, you know, belabor your commercial, but I do believe in that growth hormone.
	I think that that's been A great benefit to mankind.
	I mean, this human growth hormone, I have found myself, has been marvelous.
	And I think another thing that we can do to keep our systems insulated is to be on protein.
	And I don't mean a big, fat, bloody meat diet.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't care if you eat edamame or tofu or whatever, as long as you keep your cells structured.
	Well, I mean, obviously, keep your own immune system as strong as you can keep it against whatever might be coming.
	Exactly.
	But still, the question is, how afraid should we be of what's coming?
	Biologically, whether it's from other nations?
	I don't know if it's fear so much as looking at it as being, yes, it is fearsome, but I think I'd also look at it as a learning period, because I think that no time in history are we facing You know, of course, they talk about the Black Plague, you know, and all the other things we've had happen in the Holocaust, but I think we're facing... You know, it's strange, because... I'll tell you what, hun, back away from your phone just a little, because now I'm getting a popping sound.
	This is not the greatest phone... No.
	I don't know.
	We broke up the phone company, and really, ever since then, Sylvia, it's been downhill.
	I know.
	I know, and I've changed phone companies and everything, and I still get kind of rattly and goofy, but...
	No, but I think that it really is.
	See, what I keep seeing is that, not to be unpleasant, but I see 50 years of just this dissension and all kinds of crazy things going on, biochemical warfare and then a retaliation, and then for the next 50 years it will be peace.
	But how this all started was I had a host on a show ask me what I saw in 25 years, I saw it in 50 years, and then I got to 100 years and it went blank on me.
	Now, two things could be operating, because I'm sensible and scientific enough that either that's the end of things or I can't see that far.
	I am more apt to believe that that's the end of times.
	I just don't believe we have any more than that.
	The end of time.
	A listener, Johnny in Marengo Valley, California asks, in the past Sylvia, Has said, and maybe you didn't, that the Mayan calendar may actually end in 2003, not 2012.
	Have you said that in the past?
	No, I was quoting what Edgar Cayce said.
	Edgar Cayce said that.
	I said that there would be a change in the coastlines at that time.
	A change in the coastlines?
	Yeah, in other words, you know, where California is, and then we're going to see at some Tremendous tidal waves, you know, that's going to erode the coastlines.
	And that's when we're going to see an awful lot of these.
	Japan is going to be almost wiped out.
	An awful lot of people, like yourself, are predicting dire occurrences for the spring to the middle of 2003.
	And so you're joining those ranks.
	I am.
	And that's the first time in the history of I've been in this business for 66 years, if I keep it 50 years, of predicting.
	I have never come out with these kinds of predictions.
	I understand.
	How recent?
	Actually, honestly, before 9-11, I started getting antsy about everything.
	I really started, and I thought, oh, come on, don't get caught up in all this hubbub.
	And then when I began to sit down, like I was telling you earlier in the program,
	and sit down and start doing the predictions, I couldn't come up with anything that was that positive.
	I've had others tell me that they've hit blank areas, where they just cannot see anything past a certain area,
	and you think it could actually be...
	That that's the end of time.
	The end of time.
	Mm-hmm.
	Do you have any concept or idea of how, I mean would that Would that be, for man, in the blink of an eye, all that is, just suddenly?
	Mm-hmm.
	Suddenly just goes away.
	I think that, you know, it's sort of like, you know, before we say, you know, there was a meteorite that dimmed out the sun, and the mill foliage grew, and the dinosaurs, but I think it's more than that at this time.
	I think it's just man destroying man, and like I said, We're terrorists in our own country.
	I mean, look at, like I said to you earlier, look at what we've done to our own planet.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I think, here we go back to the crop circles, I think that if anything, these beings from outer space are trying to give us these warnings or some kind of symbols to point to something.
	Well, again, this is something we were talking about before you got on, Sylvia.
	If they're here, and if they're so powerful, Then why write in crops for us, you know, indecipherable things?
	Beautiful, but indecipherable.
	We can't really, as of yet, detect the meaning, and so we can't act without understanding the meaning, and if they're that powerful, then why are they not assisting us with this catastrophic event immediately ahead?
	Cosmologically, I'm sorry.
	I think they would, too, but I think the way the world is, and I don't mean to be mean, but I think that If they landed on me, even in the White House lawn, probably somebody would shoot them.
	Oh, I'd be in the wrong place, definitely.
	I think they're trying to approach us systematically, silently, and little at a time, because people, not all people, but some people are so ignorant, you know, that they wouldn't know.
	If they did see a spaceship, they'd probably try to shoot it out of the sky rather than I don't see what somebody had to say.
	There are many who think we shoot at them now.
	In fact, there's some... Yes, I think that's absolutely true.
	There's some amount of evidence we are shooting at them, Sylvia, which seems like not a great idea.
	Not a great thing to do to people that could, like I said, if they have power enough to get here, for God's sake, they certainly have the power to radiate the hell out of us.
	Yeah, at the very least.
	But if they're so powerful, you know, of course the question is, why not step in?
	I think there will be a time when they're going to make themselves known.
	I really believe, and here we go again, I think they walk among us.
	I really do.
	You believe they're here now?
	Oh, I do.
	I really do.
	And I don't think they walk around with just great big eyes and skinny bodies and funny looking.
	You know, I mean, I think they, it's like the Mothman Prophecies, if you've ever read that.
	You know, I mean, they had that show out with Richard Gere that didn't even come close to what the book was.
	Uh, but I think that there's some that are short and tall and, you know, fat and thin.
	They'd have to look like us, otherwise we'd say, there's one, you know, I mean, come on.
	Do you believe, do you believe that evil, um, is a, that there's really a devil?
	I mean, instead of asking you whether I think there's a god, I guess you obviously, you mentioned it earlier, do you think there's really a devil?
	No, I believe that man has created his own evil.
	I think that rather than Lucifer and his band of legions, I think we have dark, let's say, not color-wise, but inside, dark entities that separated from the very beginning that were just as bad.
	And we just happen to call them Lucifer and, you know, the band of... But I think we just have dark entities that are just Irretrievable.
	This shows man's free will choice from the very time that he came from the divine sparkler that he separated from God.
	There's an interesting question that was posed in a religious newspaper, the Spirit Daily.
	They call it the question of the week.
	Can the devil and his evil spirits read our every thought?
	Now, I wonder how many of us in our lifetimes have said, you know, if I can just get this, just do this, I swear I'd make a deal with the devil.
	And they might not have said it out loud, but they might have thought it.
	And as perhaps God can hear our silent prayers, who's to say that the other entity, even if it's not an entity, but it's just sort of a force, that that force can't just as clearly hear your silent pleas and thoughts?
	Oh, I'm sure that that's true, but then a good person, I don't know, would maybe say that, but not really.
	I have to anyway.
	You don't have to, for God's sake.
	I've never pushed anything down anybody's throat.
	I think that's horrible.
	But I think the chart reads, that we wrote our chart before we came in, you can't make a good entity bad.
	We can get discouraged, we can get despondent, we can get crazy at times, but you're not going to make a good white entity bad.
	A bad entity is a bad entity, and that's the way it is.
	You see what I'm saying?
	But you do have to be careful about what you invite.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And what you say, I mean, you don't stand in line to get on an airplane and joke about a bomb anymore at all, ever.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	And I do believe that thoughts are things.
	And I, you know, and we've all seen this happen.
	You don't have to be psychic.
	You start always being negative, always expecting the worst, and guess what happens?
	You bring it to you.
	Thoughts are things.
	Well, then how sure are you that all of what's happening right now, or what you see in the 50 to 100 years is not being delivered to our doorstep by our own minds.
	Oh, I think everything in this reality is by our own minds.
	I've always said this is the world of the unreality.
	You know, I think Plato said it better than anyone.
	We're nothing more than the shadows on the wall of the cave.
	But we can also distort the shadows.
	We are what we think.
	People tell me what you eat and I'll tell you what you are.
	They tell me what you think and I'll tell you what you are.
	How sure of these predictions are you?
	Deadly sure.
	And that's to ask more... I beg your burden? Deadly sure.
	Deadly sure. So many times with psychic predictions there's always a
	qualifier, you know, that well so-and-so may happen or
	it could be... No, I don't deal in that.
	You know, if I get on a road and I get on a, let's say a, you know, a streak, no one can defer me.
	I'm just like a bulldog.
	Yeah, you're on a four-lane highway here.
	You're racing down the road.
	This is a big one.
	No, I won't be deterred.
	You know, people can say, well, can you modify?
	No, I won't.
	The same thing if I'm doing a reading for somebody.
	If I'm convinced that they have a hot gall bladder, I'm not going to back up.
	I don't care if they say they don't have pain.
	I'm going to still nag them until I'm half nuts.
	Or they are.
	Let's look at that for a second.
	We're not going to do readings tonight.
	Individual readings.
	I never do that on the air.
	But you've done so many of them.
	And in many cases, you have told people specific medical things that are wrong.
	They didn't even know they had wrong.
	How many times Has that turned into reality?
	In other words, somebody finally gets bugged enough to go to the doctor just to say, watch me prove her wrong.
	Oh, you know, it sounds conceited thousands of times.
	I've even been able to be with somebody like you and tell you that somebody... In fact, I just did this the other day.
	This woman came in and somebody by the name... I said, who is Bill that's related to you?
	She said, that's my brother-in-law.
	And I said, he's got to go in because he's got...
	And they ordered it's ready to burst in his stomach and she said, Oh, don't be ridiculous.
	He just, um, had a physical, but his wife who believed in me, sent him into the doctor and he said, if she hadn't said this, you would have been dead.
	So you see, that's what keeps me going day after day, hour after hour is because if you don't get the hits and you don't help people and you don't save them, then what's the use of doing it?
	Why do you think you've been given this power?
	Oh, I know why.
	I know that God gave it to me, and I've always treated it as such.
	I think Sylvia has her own issues, as we all do, but that part of me I know comes from God.
	It has nothing to do with Sylvia.
	Well, why do you think it's been given to you?
	Why you?
	Well, you see, I'm enough of a scientific bent that I do, and this is absolutely validated 300 years of psychic, so I have to believe that it's a genetic component part.
	And I do believe that I chose to do it.
	And between you and I, it hasn't always been the easiest.
	You know, people think it's glamorous.
	It hasn't always been the easiest road to take.
	I've heard people say, oh, I'd love to be you in this world of psychic.
	I said, no, not necessarily.
	You wouldn't.
	You don't want to find a child that's dead and have to tell the parents and all that.
	No, that's not fun.
	That's horrifying.
	How much do you hold back?
	Never.
	Never.
	You don't?
	No.
	I mean, if you're with parents and the child that they have is going to die, and you know that, you tell them?
	I tell them.
	But I also search my mind and pray to God that there is some way that I can, if there's any way that there's a miracle, because I do believe in miracles, if there's a miracle possible, if there's any way that we could get them somewhere, whether it's mails or Somewhere that there could be something that could be done.
	That's got to be pretty hard stuff.
	Well, children have always been my priority, and that's the toughest.
	But you know what's strange?
	I've always found that when I tell people, whether it's on television or whatever, that somebody has passed, it's the strangest thing in the world.
	It's almost like it's a relief.
	I hate that word, closure.
	But at least they know.
	I don't think there's anything worse than false hope for someone.
	You know, telling you everything's going to be alright.
	When it's not.
	When it's not.
	That's still some kind of gigantic burden.
	And if I were in your position, thank goodness I'm not.
	I would not want that talent.
	And I knew a child was going to die.
	I don't know that I could tell the parents.
	I don't know that I could do that.
	Well, I think people know me well enough that I've had people say to me on the phone, I'm calling you because I know that above all, you'll tell me the truth.
	And that's probably the greatest compliment and the greatest sorrow that I do have, because I will tell the truth.
	And Montel always warms up his audience by saying, please, in the name of God, literally don't ask her if you don't want to know, because she'll tell you.
	So if you don't want to know, just shut up.
	So as it applies to our world situation right now, I guess it's better, my point of view is, it's better to know than to not know.
	And if it's that close, I really would rather know.
	Yeah, and then we can hold our families close together.
	I think out of all of this comes a spiritual awareness, the patriotism, the love of families, which we've lost.
	I remember when I was a child, we all grew up on the same block.
	We all loved each other.
	Somebody died.
	Food over.
	We don't see that anymore.
	Will there be anything, Sylvia, that we'll see immediately prior to the end?
	I mean, will there be like the snake rattle?
	Will there be warnings above and beyond even what we see right now?
	No, I think it'll come like our Lord said, like a thief in the night.
	I think it'll just come quietly.
	I think it'll just be boom.
	That's it.
	I don't think there's... I don't want to fly in the face of Christianity or some Christians.
	I don't think it's so much The rapture, I think it's going to be the peaceful time, and I think then it'll just be over.
	It will be the end.
	When you realized all of this, fairly recently, how long did you hold on to this before you began to make
	it public?
	I I think as soon as I found out, or as soon as I began to pick it up.
	Prior to September, and I began to pick it up, I think it was around June before 9-11 happened, I put it out that very December.
	Do you begin to test it yourself?
	In other words, do you see that if it keeps coming back to you, is there some way internally that you can test these visions or these understandings?
	Oh yeah, I'll go over and over again.
	I'll go over and over them again, you know.
	Is it just because I'm getting older?
	Was I depressed that day?
	Was it a bad time?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Did I get too, or was I overloaded with too much stuff?
	You see what I'm saying?
	I have to filter through all that stuff to find out that if it's valid for me.
	Because after all, All right, I live in a human body, you know what I mean?
	Like I said, I have my own issues, so you have to separate that.
	And you believe that you have successfully done that?
	Yes, I do.
	See, I hate that word, ego, because the word ego, ego, taken from the Greek, means I am.
	I think my I am is totally out of that.
	All right, hold it right there, Sylvia.
	We'll be right back.
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	Alright, we've encouraged Sylvia to another telephone, so we might have a bit of an improvement for audio, and that's a good thing, because what she's saying is, for Sylvia, certainly totally unprecedented.
	She's joining a group of other psychics, in fact, remote viewers, ...who are seeing walls beyond which they see nothing, virtually concluding that one possibility is that time is ending.
	Pretty serious conclusion indeed.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Stay right there.
	Once again, here is Sylvia Brown.
	Sylvia?
	Once again, here is Sylvia Brown.
	Sylvia?
	Yes?
	Uh, the end of time is a hard thing for most people to even contemplate.
	To even think about the end of time, the end of virtually everything.
	I mean, as I suppose most people believe in creation, the majority of the people in this country being Christian believe in creation, Then this would be, in essence, the opposite of creation.
	It would be either the planned or the unplanned end of everything.
	Do you see the hand of the Creator in this end?
	Well, I think that this has always been the training ground, let's say, for us to come down into this, not to be negative, into this hellhole to learn for God.
	And then when that schematic is over, then it's over.
	And people that are really trying to come down and learn spiritually through all their lifetimes or
	whatever, have learned and then that's the end of this schematic. I'm sure we could go other places if
	we wanted to, you know, I'm sure that that's not the end of it, but at least we get to
	go to the other side and have a great time.
	That's not the end of us.
	What do we know about the other side?
	Since that is the apparent destination, it might be good for people to try and understand.
	You know, for years and years I listened to people and studied astral projection and death and dying and also hypnosis therapy where you take people to The death, and you know, it was so amazing to me, it's like a scientist, if you keep getting people from every faith that have gone through death experiences, as well as astral experiences, and they all see the same topography, you really have got to start sitting up and taking notice.
	So what kind of topography are we talking about?
	We're talking about the topography that's exactly like this earth, except it's not screwed up.
	I mean, the dolphins swim free.
	You know, the strange thing about it is the architecture seems to be very Romanesque.
	There's the Hall of Wisdom, the Hall of Justice.
	People talk about beautiful meadows.
	They constantly talk about the colors that they can't even describe.
	And then, of course, the scientists came in and said, well, that's a deprivation of oxygen.
	Well, it can't be if you're in astral projection.
	It can't be if you're lying there breathing and seeing it as a death experience.
	And everybody comes up with the same, going to the Hall of Wisdom, the Hall of Records, they see people milling around, they see music halls, lecture halls, everyone sees, whether they're Islamic or whether they're Buddhist or whatever, I've seen them all and they all describe the same topography.
	Huh, isn't that interesting.
	You mentioned that there will be changes in the California coastline.
	Right.
	You live in California?
	Yes.
	Because of what you understand, what action will you take, if any, or if you're not going to take any, personally, why?
	Oh, no, I would.
	I would move my family down to what my spirit guides always talked about as the Golden Triangle, whether, you know, like Santa Fe, Arizona, Uh, around that, that area, you know, because, as she says, the New Mexico, the Phoenix, that's the safe place.
	That's the safe place?
	Mm-hmm.
	She's always said that's the safe place.
	So you will move?
	Oh, I will move, yes.
	When?
	Any idea on a time frame?
	I probably will move within the next, maybe, five, six years.
	I probably will move.
	Uh-huh.
	Um, five or six years.
	Okay.
	Let's talk a little bit about, continue to talk about death.
	What is predetermined death time?
	I don't know.
	For example, I'm not sure, Sylvia, that I would want to know when I'm going to die, but it is eminently possible to know exactly when you're going to die, is it not?
	Sure.
	The amazing thing is we all have five exit points. Now you could say to me, why do we have
	five? But if I had seven, you'd say, why seven? I'd say the same thing. We all have five
	times in which we could go.
	But usually the final time is that's it. You know, it's like a near-death experience and
	you decided not to go. But at the end of it, then you finally do go. I mean, that's...
	So we don't even get as many as cats. No, we don't get nine lives. It's a shame.
	We get five.
	We get five.
	And you could go...
	These are predetermined times.
	If you go back to the original, and I know people don't like to hear this, but you wrote your chart the same as you did when you were in college or whatever.
	You wrote your program.
	Of course, I've always wondered, and I don't drink or take drugs, but I always wondered if they had something over there that they gave me that I chose all this stuff that I've chosen.
	Neither here nor there.
	Looking back on it in retrospect, I understand why I had the life that I lived or have lived.
	It's because it made me stronger.
	Having a mother that was kind of, you know, goofy or whatever, I learned and because of that, because of her, I think I became a better mother.
	So you can always turn a negative into a positive instead of walking around being whiny and crying about it all the time.
	So you had a hard childhood?
	Very.
	But my grandmother, thank God, was a wonderful, because she was psychic, and she was a wonderful mother figure to me.
	So I had my father, who I adored, and I had my grandmother, so I can't complain about that.
	It says here, toward the end of things, the veil that separates our world from the other side... Right, it's thinning.
	I've been saying that one for a while now, that the veil is thinning.
	And you're saying it will get, toward the very end, it'll get so thin.
	Oh yeah, it will just almost like be able to walk across.
	Not to put in a commercial, but I think that's why my publisher wanted me to write the Spirit Guide book now, because people are, you know, maybe it was always so, but people are coming out of the closet and say, look I hurt my guide, I saw this person at the foot of my bed.
	We never used to hear that before.
	Maybe it was always there, but people were afraid to say, but Boy, they're sure coming out with it now.
	Do you think it will become so thin that people will begin to just walk across?
	Walk right over the line.
	Like just sort of walking into a mirror?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I'm writing a book also.
	It has not only the other side, but, you know, ghosts, which has always been interesting to people, because it always shows the survival of the spirit.
	And ghosts are, of course, not the best phenomenon in the world, because it means that somebody's trapped.
	But I think why the interest is always there is, oh my God, there is something that survived!
	Is that what it means, Sylvia?
	I too, you know, I have been absolutely fascinated by ghosts.
	Every time I get A really good ghost photograph.
	I've got another one up there tonight.
	A really good ghost photograph.
	I put them up on my website.
	Who knows?
	Some of them are real.
	Some of them are not real.
	That's right.
	But some of them are real.
	I'm convinced of it.
	I've got a whole collection up there.
	I mean, Art, that sounds really crazy, but I've talked to him.
	And you know where I've found the most is, strangely enough, and I've been all over the world, is the most that I've ever found is, strangely enough, in the British Isles.
	And I think I have Um, somewhat of a scientific solution for that.
	Not only is it an old country, but I think the atmosphere is so thick that electrically, because we're all electrical beings, we're able to get in easier.
	Because when I went back to Dublin this year, I ran into two ghosts, and you talked to them over there, and they said, oh yeah, that was Marian Wiggins, and she was, you know, a waitress here, and we see her all the time, ho-hum.
	I mean, they don't pay any attention to it.
	They just realize it.
	Well, we were talking about the topography of the other side a little while ago.
	Obviously, some spirits don't make it to that topography.
	They instead remain here.
	Yeah, and they're not too thrilled about us occupying their residency.
	And so they bang around, because after all, they feel that we're occupying Where they should live, and after all, you're the intruders in their life.
	Do you have any idea why this occurs, or what process prevents them from going where they should?
	It usually always is some kind of... And it's so fluky, because I've seen people die dramatically and make it, and I've seen other people die dramatically and not.
	Exactly.
	And it doesn't seem that if they were religious, non-religious, it just seems to be A fluke, it's something that is unfinished, undone, and what I have found that seems to be a thread that runs through it is that there is an unresolved love affair or a mother with a child that always has to do with love, somehow.
	Somehow.
	Is time, either for a ghost or on the other side, does it have any relationship to what we think of as Nothing, and that's why people constantly ask me if Aunt Martha or their husband misses them.
	No, and I can say without any doubt, of course they don't, because you see, to them, even if you're going to live into your 80s, which by the way, whether you realize it or not, you will Art, but to them, the people that have gone before you, it's like two days.
	It's like, I'll see you next week.
	I mean, it's no big deal to them.
	You told me I'm going to live into my 80s?
	Yes.
	That's pretty interesting.
	Well, you're tough, Art.
	You're also stubborn.
	It's not negative.
	Have you ever noticed?
	Let me read something to you, Sylvia.
	I recently picked up a new primary care physician after two visits and exhaustive lab tests.
	My doctor said I was doing fairly well for my age.
	A little concerned about that comment.
	I couldn't resist asking him, do you think I'll live to be 80?
	He asked, well, do you smoke tobacco or drink beer?
	No, I said.
	Never done either.
	Asked, do you eat ribeye steaks and barbecue ribs?
	No, I said.
	Heard that red meat is very unhealthy.
	Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, you know, like playing golf?
	He asked.
	No, I don't.
	Do you gamble?
	Ride fast cars?
	Fool around with sexy women?
	No, I said.
	Never done any of those things.
	So he looked at me hard and said, then what the hell do you want to live to be 80 for?
	It'll just seem like 800.
	I've lived pretty hard too, you know.
	No, I don't do any of those things either, and I come from a family of longevity.
	I'm hearing more and more people say to me, Sylvia, I can't wait to get to the other side, which is something that seems like it would seem depressing to some of the listeners, but I think people are just worn out.
	See, I've always believed this is where hell is.
	I don't believe there's some tit in the ground with somebody.
	Red suit and horns, I wish there were, at least we could pick them out, we wouldn't marry them or whatever.
	But you know, Sheol was nothing more, that's where the church got the word from, was nothing more than a burning dumpster where it constantly burned outside of Jerusalem and they made that into hell, they called it hell.
	But if there is not hell, then why by extension should we believe in heaven and a creator and the classic, you know, whatever?
	Well, because you see, this is hell.
	It goes very much along with Genesis.
	It's sort of like, even though it's sort of metaphorical, I've always believed, in other words, God's saying, unless you want to learn and go down until the field and bury your children in sorrow, you're never going to learn.
	You're never going to eat from the tree of knowledge.
	So, this is hell, purgatory, whatever.
	And then, of course, we ascend then to heaven when we get through.
	We go back home.
	We've come down to this.
	Hell of a college or a bad camping trip, as I call it.
	And then we go back home.
	Most of us, except for these few who seem to be trapped.
	I don't know what other right word there is for it.
	Yeah, they are trapped.
	You're absolutely right.
	They're trapped in their own time warp.
	But if you stop and think about it, Art, from all the billions of people that have lived and died, We make such a big to-do about the people that are not, because of course it makes news, because there you go with the survival research.
	But think about all the billions of people that have gone that have made it.
	They make a big to-do about this small number of people.
	The majority of people make it, and even those people that don't.
	There was a famous case, very documented, of the lady in brown.
	She was probably the most photographed ghost You believe Atlantis is coming back, don't you?
	Oh, I do.
	I believe.
	Because we're in a polar tilt.
	Steps and everybody photographed her one day. She didn't come down and everybody called him what the hell happened
	I said somebody got her somebody finally grabbed her And said look kid get over here
	You believe Atlantis is coming back. Don't you? Oh, I do I believe because we're in a polar tilt so being in a polar
	tilt You don't have to be psychic to figure out it's going to
	You know rise up again You are not the first to talk about a polar tilt, sir.
	So many of my guests lately have been saying it.
	So many of them have been saying it.
	Oh, I said it 30 years ago, and everybody said, you know, she's really a nice person, but she's not.
	In fact, it was validated, I guess, in about 1970 when I was on, people are talking up here in Northern California, and I said, you know, we're in a polar tilt.
	I got letters saying, you know, we really like you, we think you're sweet, but you're crazy.
	But I thought then, Look at our climate changes.
	Like I said, look at our glaciers melting.
	Of course, we're in a polar tilt.
	And Atlantis, the Atlantis, will begin to show itself.
	Oh yeah, you're right.
	You're saying by 2023 and then completely there by 2026.
	Yeah, then watch all the real estate agents go over there.
	Where will Atlantis begin to show itself again?
	Right in the Atlantic Ocean.
	It's just like Lemuria will show up in the Pacific.
	Gordon Michael Scullion did his map of the future, and both of those places reappear in roughly just the areas you talked about.
	Well, you know, Jacques Cousteau started seeing all kinds of things off of Bimini and Santorini and everything, and for some reason, I don't know why, but that got shut down like you won't believe.
	Anything that has to do with that, they shut it down.
	It's not all shut down, Sylvia.
	You know about the city off the coast of Cuba?
	2,200 feet below the ocean level?
	Right.
	Heard about that?
	Well, that's awfully well documented, and so it would seem that something is 2,200 feet below sea level.
	Now, the original question would be how anything could get 2,200 feet down.
	Last Ice Age would only account for about 300 miles of ocean level, not 2,200 feet.
	That would be More years than man is known to have.
	Exactly.
	Well, not only that, but if we know, when I was in Alexandria, we know that Cleopatra's temple is submerged because, you see, it's been close enough in lifetime in the archaeologist's abode.
	But let's say we had five or six thousand years upon, beyond that, we'd say, oh, come on, she didn't have a temple there.
	But now, they know it is.
	Do you, uh, do you think, uh, I mean, you said that all may come to an end, Sylvia.
	Do you think, um, that we, you do believe in reincarnation, don't you?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Uh-huh.
	I believe that God's an equal opportunity employer.
	He doesn't give us one chance to be, uh... So we come back again and again.
	Yeah, but I think that we're coming to a time when people... I have never, except in the last maybe 10, 12 years, seen so many people.
	That was another thing that started... Hold tight, Sylvia.
	Hold tight.
	will be right back i was a highwayman
	along the coach road i did ride with sword and pistol by my side
	many a young maid lost her bobbles to my trade many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade
	the bastards hung me in the spring of twenty five Bye
	But I am still alive.
	I was a sailor.
	I was born upon the tide.
	With the sea I did abide.
	I sailed a schooner around the whole New Mexico.
	I went along the world and made some little blows.
	And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed But I'm living still I was a dam builder Across a river deep and wide Where steel and water didn't collide A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
	They buried me in that grey tomb that knows no sound.
	But I am still around.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
	You ever wonder if it's all baloney?
	And I mean all baloney.
	I'll talk to you about that in a moment.
	I don't know if I really believe that, but I have dark, wondering thoughts about it.
	We'll talk with Sylvia Brown about it in a moment.
	What if it's all crap?
	I just played what I consider to be a really beautiful song about reincarnation.
	Um...
	And, you know, I tend myself to believe in that and certainly in something more than we are now.
	I mean, people will say to you, look around you, God is everywhere in every detail, everything.
	It's so perfect.
	But then there's another argument, folks, and that is that it would have to be that way for us to have evolved and be here.
	For us to consider everything to be God all around us may be just ourselves fooling ourselves.
	In other words, yes, the leaves are perfect, and they are so beautiful, and the changing of the seasons, and the snow, and the rocks, and the magnificence of everything that's on the earth that allows us to be here.
	But it has to be here for us to have evolved.
	And there's the amazing Randy, and then there's There's Matthew Alper, who I think convinced me that even if you go into the darkest part of the jungle, where man has never been before, and you find people have never been touched by man, modern man, they worship something.
	The sun, the earth, they worship something.
	They do sacrifices to stuff.
	They all have some kind of belief system.
	It's innate within man to always... It seems to be innate within man to love something or That's right.
	into something that's greater than he is. The problem is, Sylvia, that his contention is
	that the greatest fear man has, probably inaccurate, one is fear of death.
	Yes, and it's not so much that it's a fear of annihilation, it's a fear that I will no longer
	cease to be. That's right, exactly, all right, and because of that greatest fear of all,
	our brain in a protective mode automatically concocts the fact that it ain't so. So,
	have you ever considered, Sylvia, the fact that it might all be crap?
	Ghosts?
	Spirit world?
	The other side?
	God?
	Heaven?
	Hell?
	All of it?
	Never, never, never once.
	Never even... Never?
	No, never.
	Because I just have known too much, seen too much.
	Just know it.
	It's never... See, faith isn't really an exhausting thing.
	But knowing is not.
	Knowing is not.
	No.
	When you have to have faith, then you just hope.
	But when you really, really get into it, investigatively, and you find, like I told you earlier, that all these people see the same things, that they experience the same things, that they see their angels, that they're now beginning to see their guides, that they see their loved ones more so than they ever did before.
	How can you discredit that?
	It can't be some big imagination that's hit the world.
	That's why I'm saying with all this dire stuff, Well, you can't discredit it, but you also cannot prove it.
	Well, you know, you can't necessarily know that the salt vaccine was good until the sugar cube was put under your tongue either, and then it got rid of the illness.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	The sugar cube by itself doesn't seem to be anything, or the drops or the inoculations, but after a while, when it doesn't come anymore, you say, hey, do you see what I mean?
	This has been proven.
	Yeah, but it didn't come from the ether.
	It came from the mind of Jonas Salk.
	Yes, but Jonas Salk was also infused by God.
	So I go beyond that.
	I think that Jonas Salk also wrote, he was a great enough man to write his chart, that I will be the one that will be the infuser.
	I will be the one that will be infused, let's say.
	Nevertheless, within Fifty or a hundred years, it's over.
	It's over.
	But, you know, I'm finding more and more people out there to tell you that are saying to me, Sylvia, I hope, and they never used to say this to me, I hope this is my last life down here, and strangely enough, I'm finding in the last ten years more and more people are having their last life here, and possibly that also goes towards the fact that there isn't that much time to get in more life.
	Yeah, well, that might be.
	That might be.
	Um, all right.
	There's so many... You have wonderful guides and loved ones that watch over us.
	I mean, you know, you can't discredit the fact when I was standing in a room with a woman that was dying, because I've seen so many deaths and dying, and she said, Ruth, I'm here, and everybody in the family said, No, Ruth isn't here. She's in Colorado.
	And I'm telling you, Ruth, of course, the woman died.
	Two hours later, the phone rang and they said Ruth was dead.
	How do you explain that?
	I mean, and I could give you story after story, thousands of stories that make your hair stand up on end.
	I mean, after a while, you've got to say, hey, come on, something's going on here.
	Yeah.
	You believe, many believe, it's impossible for any sensible person to walk outside
	and look into the night sky and not believe there are others.
	There must be.
	Must be others.
	How egotistical to think we're this little tiny dinky dot on the end of the Milky Way and look up at this myriad of, you know, and say, hey, I'm the only light there is.
	So it's sensible then to believe there are others.
	You believe they're going to show themselves, don't you?
	Oh, I do.
	I believe they walk among us now.
	But to make us in Moss realize that they are here.
	Yes, I do think that with all of this dire predictions, I think it's going to be a marvelous harmonic convergence, which means nothing more than people coming to a great amount of spirituality and understanding of not only just what the other side is, but what life really meant.
	And that this school is closing.
	We've run out of funds.
	The school is closing.
	And that we're going to be able to go to the other side and And go home, because that's where home is.
	Not here.
	So then you have no fear of death.
	Oh God, no.
	God, no.
	And you believe that before all of this ends, before the end of time arrives, or whatever's ending, I guess time, that these others will arrive and they will show us other things that we have imagined, like anti-gravity.
	Sure.
	The anti-gravitational rods, which I'm convinced, and I talked to Dr. Zahi Awad, and he said to me privately, of course, here I am, he said, I would never say this openly, but I believe you, I said, come on, these stones didn't get here by any thousands of people, they were, and I... Now wait a minute, old slow down, now what exactly did Zahi say to you?
	He said to me that he didn't I would never say this openly, but that he believed what I said, that there were anti-gravitational rods that actually lifted the stones up.
	Zahi actually said that?
	Absolutely said that to me in his office.
	You were in Egypt then?
	Oh, yes.
	Zahi's a great friend of mine, but he said, I can't say that, because I'd look stupid.
	But he said, you know, you can say it.
	I mean, I would never divulge it.
	You know, but I mean, over there he has to, because he's the director of, you know... Antiquities, yes.
	Yeah.
	No, that's quite true.
	I never got that far.
	Myself, Ozai, he said, this is Greek mystery art.
	But he never, he never went quite that far.
	Some sort of rods that allow the manipulation of gravity.
	Yeah, but see, if you get him pinned down, he'll kind of do a blah, blah, blah with you, you know, I mean, he won't If you pin him down, he just won't get into it that much.
	Oh, you got them further pinned down than I did. That's amazing.
	And so then this technology is going to return to us probably shortly after 2010, the year 2010.
	Oh yeah.
	When, when, um...
	And you believe there are people from Andromeda?
	Andromeda, of course, is relatively close.
	I think that Andromeda is probably where we've been colonized the most.
	I'm sure we have some Pleiades and all that, but I think that most of the people that I've found or did regressions with, and those going to the thousands, keep mentioning Andromeda.
	So I think that makes sense, not only, like I said, from the distance factor, but that we did come, and every time I take someone into a path not only in this life but let's say to another planet no planet seems to be as maniacal as this one in fact when I was a young girl in Missouri my guide said to me my spirit guide said this is the insane asylum of the universe and for a young catholic jewish girl I thought well that's a mean thing to say but after you grow up and you get older you think my god this is there everything that you
	could ever even imagine or not imagine in horror goes on in this world and
	that's not being negative the molestation the kidnapping the murders the serials i
	mean it's just the thing that man has never even thought of or going to
	cannibalism i mean it's just horrifying
	if there is this other side that i just uh...
	cast some doubt on a little while ago what
	do the entities on that other side look like?
	Is there a way to put a... We look like us.
	We're in glorified body.
	I think that goes very much along with Christ saying to Magdalene, don't touch me yet.
	I'm not of this earth, but she certainly looked real.
	I was glorified.
	In fact, when my guide said to me, I'm more real than you are, I thought, what the hell is that about?
	Because she said to me, You know, you're actually ghosts in our world.
	We're the real world.
	You're the world of the unreality.
	And you know, when you touch yourself, you say, well, look, I'm molecularly solid for God's sake.
	But apparently they are more solid and real than we are.
	And I think more than anything, as I get older, I realize that my molecular structure is not as solid as I would like it to be.
	Have you ever This comes from a listener, Mark, in Tucson, Arizona.
	Have you ever been concerned, because there is the possibility, you know, that you have been deceived in some manner by some negative force, a demon even.
	Oh yeah, I've heard that before.
	Well, now I've interviewed a lot of exorcists, and they say they are here, and of course there are warnings in the Bible about those who would prophesize.
	And so that's something that has to have gone through your mind, at least.
	Yeah, but I think that if you really, really are trying to do good and you love God and you're trying to do good for people, I don't choose to give too much attention to the devil.
	I think, in fact, we've made the devil too important.
	Why don't we just have a great big God and a little bitty devil?
	We've got so much of this falder all about demonic possession and demons and all that.
	Let's, you know, and there we go again.
	What we think.
	Why don't we just look at God being a loving God who's given us a place to react and learn from and forget about somebody that's going to always be.
	And how egotistical.
	I have a friend, which I won't mention because she's very fairly famous, thinks that the devil's always bothering her.
	And I said to her one day, who are you anyway that you're so important that the devil would just want to bother you?
	Is there something else the devil would want to do if there is such a thing?
	I mean, that's kind of reverse ego, isn't it?
	I guess perhaps it is.
	You know, I'm so important that the devil's just going to... and I don't blame people for... you know, I've read all 26 versions of the Bible, so I love people to quote Bible to me, whether it's Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
	Do not consort with seers and sorcerers.
	But it's funny, as you go down Into the next chapter, it says, Joseph, you interpret dreams.
	Come over here and interpret our dreams for us.
	It does, yes.
	It's true.
	I mean, you get real crazy with that.
	So, you thought that out, and you've rationalized it that way.
	Oh, my God.
	I think that's why I put myself through so much testing.
	In the beginning, my grandmother used to just rail at me.
	She said, what's wrong with you?
	I mean, you know, I had voices, and I had visions, and I said, You know, I hear I was going to be a Catholic school teacher, and I put myself through all this testing, and my grandmother said, why don't you leave it alone?
	And I said, but grandmother, you know, grandma, I said, you know, we could be schizophrenic, and there could have been 300 years of it, but nobody figured it out.
	And I think that's why I was the only one out of the group that ever tested.
	I was tested by, you know, Dr. Beale, Dr. Blattner, Renick, you name it.
	Oh, I realize there's been a whole lot of testing of you.
	I know that.
	And no one in my family was tested.
	My uncle wasn't.
	My grandmother wasn't.
	Of course, in those days, what did they know about MMPIs or anything?
	They didn't know.
	But I wasn't about to put myself in a position of teaching kids if I was a lunatic running around.
	Have you ever questioned your own sanity through all this?
	I think that when I was 18, I was very concerned about the fact because, you see, at that point I was in Catholic college and I was going to be a teacher.
	And of course, you know, Catholicism is full of Possession and all that stuff and I thought good lord.
	I don't want to be teaching these kids and being goofy So that's when I really went over to a dr. Royal of University, Kansas City and really began to get into it You know and every report came back and said Sylvia is very normal in fact extraordinarily normal, but she's got something very paranormal going on with her and I've always said that that of all the people in the world are, I'm probably the
	most reluctant of let's say the medium or psychic because any of my staff
	which is huge and my people if I run it up the flagpole and it doesn't wave, it comes
	down I don't believe in it, very very goofy stuff, you know
	You mentioned a while ago ego the remote viewers really struggle with that word and with
	their own ego to separate their own ego and their fantasy from what they
	perceive.
	That that's the hardest they say to do of all is to excise your own ego from what you see.
	Would you agree with that?
	Yes, I think that's true in a different way.
	I don't think it's so much their own ego.
	I think they're dealing with that awful word Imagination.
	I think that their egos are intact.
	They just don't want to get imaginary about it and get too fantasy-filled.
	See, I've never been worried about my ego so much.
	I know who Sylvia is, and I also know who God is.
	Like I said, Sylvia, good Lord, has her own foibles and her own issues.
	But when it comes to what I'm doing, I truly, truly believe that that is a funnel from God.
	It has nothing to do with my ego.
	Like I told you earlier, sometimes I rail against the fact, like you said to me earlier,
	why me?
	But then I guess maybe Pavarotti could say that or Picasso could say that.
	We never think of those people as having anything wrong.
	But you say I can do this with my mind, which I think is part of the limbic brain and everybody
	it gets all weirded out, but we don't do that with a great pin.
	We don't do that with a great artist.
	We just know it comes from God.
	But you start working in the field, and I'm working in the field.
	Oh my God!
	Sylvia, as we can't, even our best scientists can't imagine what there was before the Big Bang.
	In other words, before there was time, with what you said tonight, can we imagine what there will be when there is no more time?
	When time Is it just as difficult to imagine the end of time as it is the moment before?
	Well, I think the world will still be in place.
	I think our time here will be over, but as far as we, not being annihilated, will go on and go back home, and then maybe we'll start another learning schematic for God, because I don't think that ever changes.
	The thought of being on a cloud with a harp would just be the most miserable thing I
	could ever think of.
	Yeah, I've never liked that either. Flowing around on a cloud playing a harp all day on a break.
	I just assume really that everything ended instead of having to play a harp.
	That would just be... That's right. That's nothing to me.
	But when you talk to people, they say, I've been to orientation, I've been to lecture halls, I've been to...
	You know, and here's another thing to address...
	I want radios, Sylvia.
	Listen, hold on.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	We'll go to the phones when we get back.
	Try and close your eyes and go ahead and try and imagine it, if you can.
	The end of time?
	The end?
	Time, time, time.
	To see what's become of me Time and time and time
	To see what's become of me Why I lived around you
	And now, the thunder All right, back to Sylvia Brown.
	We're going to go to the phone lines this hour, if that's all right with you, Sylvia, to let people ask questions.
	Oh, that's fine, but you know, I did want to plug my book.
	Plug away.
	Yeah, you know, I have Contacting Your Spirit Guide, and it comes with a CD.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	And what's on the CD?
	The CD is meditation to get a hold of your spirit guide.
	Okay, so in other words, in the book you explain it, in the CD you explain how you get a hold of your spirit guide, what they look like, how you can get a hold of them, and then there is an accompanied DVD with it.
	What will your spirit guide look like?
	They look like we do.
	I mean, mine is sort of Aztec looking.
	Yours is dark-haired male with curly hair.
	I mean, we all have guides, and the chances of you and I being a guide to someone is about 100%.
	We do a roundabout.
	So they put us to work.
	Well, they sort of protect us, you know, along with our angels.
	They sort of protect us, and they're there.
	I love what Ruth Montgomery said.
	She said they were sort of the nudging spirits along the way.
	That's why you get these sort of mysterious ticker tape messages.
	Put your seatbelt on, which you should do anyway.
	Don't go down to this place and find out it was an accident or call someone and find out that they were sick.
	I mean, we think everything is coincidence.
	It's not coincidence.
	We get messages from our guides all the time and we just think it's our own mind.
	So, your book is Contacting Your Spirit Guide, and contacting your spirit guide is a positive, good thing to do in this lifetime?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think the more we can call on It's like we talked about earlier, the harmonic convergence.
	Call them angels, the spirit guides, the loved ones.
	You know, who's to say we can't, with all the stuff that's going on, we can't raise the consciousness level of people.
	And you think that the meditation exercises in the CD will... Oh, I know it will.
	It's a pathway to doing that.
	Absolutely know it will, because it's like Find it a place for them to come. You know you make a place.
	It's sort of like the field of dreams Make a place and they'll come
	Why did you write this book?
	Because everyone wouldn't know what their spirit guide was and if they had one what their name was and
	So I've always had my ear to the rail whatever anybody wants
	that's why I wrote life on the other side or the other side and back is because
	After you've garnered all these years of information you think why do you want to keep it to yourself?
	Why don't you want to put it out there?
	And again you have considered and Absolutely reject the concept that it could be all baloney.
	Oh Oh, God, yeah.
	Absolutely, I know it's true.
	Alright, uh, contacting your spirit guide, I assume, uh, Amazon.com, all the usual suspects and stores, that kind of thing?
	Mm-hmm, yeah, they get the gun and, uh, you know, it's put out through Hay House.
	Hay House, alright.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, we've got a link up, folks.
	If you would like to get to the book, we make it very easy for you on my website.
	Tonight's program guest, Sylvia's name, it'll be right there.
	Alright, let's go to the phones a little bit.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello, where are you please?
	Hi, my name is Sean.
	Hi, Sean.
	And I'm in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
	Way up north.
	Yes, I am.
	Now, I have to say right now, I'm like really nervous.
	Well, relax, take a deep breath and say what you want to say.
	Well, Sylvia, you're an awesome woman.
	You've changed my life so much.
	You've helped me with God.
	Actually, there was a point in my life where I didn't believe God, and you kind of brought that faith back.
	Oh, I'm so glad.
	It's people like you that keep me going.
	If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't keep going.
	Well, thanks for choosing to come down on this life and doing all the crazy ass stuff that you did.
	But I called.
	My main purpose was about my guides.
	I've been doing meditation.
	That's what I was talking about.
	You have a very, very, very strong guide by the name of Samuel.
	Yes.
	He's with you all the time.
	Okay, great.
	How many guides do I have?
	You have one guide and four angels.
	So you're pretty loaded.
	And that also gives me a very good indication that you are Really rising above everything and becoming more spiritual, because isn't that what our Lord said?
	That's what the Gnostic belief is that I have, is everybody seeks after their own truth.
	If you think you'll find, if you knock, it'll be opened unto you.
	Well, just like your book that's coming out here about contacting your spirit guide, two months ago I just started doing meditations on contacting my spirit guide.
	And I've actually felt that I was contacted by my spirit guide.
	Sure.
	And ever since then, I've been hearing like these little voices in my head.
	Oh, absolutely.
	See, that's all you have to do.
	That's what Art and I were talking about earlier.
	The veil is thinning.
	All you have to do is just sort of reach your hand through and they'll grab it.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Mm-hmm.
	That's all you have to do is just put your finger out and they'll grab it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, all of this then, Sylvia, is...
	The beginning of the end.
	As the veil thins, we're moving toward that end of time.
	Absolutely.
	And that's a process that will culminate at that moment or the end of time.
	But I think we're going to have all these wonderful legions of angels and God and our guides are going to be there to help us.
	So it's not going to be one of these horrible, you know, nightmarish Blow you up and have the devil come and get you and eat you or whatever the hell it is.
	Well, what about all these bad people?
	Boy, there's a lot of bad people around right now, Sylvia.
	Surely they're not going to be joining us.
	No, they won't.
	They go in what I call the left door.
	They have to keep recycling.
	And then eventually, God in his merciful wisdom, because they have always believed in a loving God, how can we have a mean, hateful God and then a mean, hateful, vengeful God?
	That doesn't even make sense.
	That's against reason.
	No, that never made sense to me either.
	What I am told, and what I really believe, is that if these people are not rehabilitated, then they're just absorbed back into the uncreated mass.
	In other words, you and I will keep our individuality, but they won't.
	Wow, Caroline, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art and Sylvia.
	First, I'd like to congratulate you and wish you well on your Upcoming retirement.
	I'll tell you to keep that skull and crossbones handy.
	Thank you.
	Sylvia, this is Darragh Law in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and I got a couple questions.
	I'll take my answers off the air.
	What do you see from the state of Wyoming in the upcoming mess and the piece to follow?
	And how does the person contact you?
	All right.
	Wyoming.
	Do you see anything specific for Wyoming?
	Not necessarily.
	Not any more than anything else.
	I think Wyoming, if you're asking me if Wyoming is safe, yes it is safe, but I also think that we're going to have, and I don't know why, but a lot of dissension that comes out of Wyoming.
	I think there's little pockets of dissension that are in Wyoming.
	Why I say that, I don't know.
	Only psychically that I say that.
	No, there's quite a few states here in the West where there's plenty of dissension.
	Mm-hmm.
	It's here in Nevada.
	It's in Idaho.
	Yeah, they're kind of like little... I don't want to call them telebonds, but they're sort of like little dissenting groups that are holed up places.
	No, not telebonds.
	Okay.
	Also, how to contact you?
	He wanted to know how to contact you.
	Oh, you can just get on Sylvia.org.
	I mean, that's as simple as it is.
	Sylvia.org is my website.
	You can find out all the information about me.
	Sylvia?
	Okay, well that's easy.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yeah, say hi Art.
	Sylvia, I don't know if you remember me or not, but in 1995 we were on a program called The Other Side Together.
	Oh, yeah, I do remember that with Ron Tiskin 4.0.
	Well, see what happened was there was a fire in my neighborhood and I was able to save little five-year-old boys from the fire.
	His name was Chris.
	Anyhow, I wasn't able to get his three-year-old brother, Bubba, out.
	His name was Gerald.
	It was just kind of a bad thing.
	We were on national TV together on a program called The Real Life Angels.
	Ever since that, I've felt so guilty about not getting that little guy out.
	I just hope I've been wanting to get a hold of you for so long.
	But, honey, you weren't meant to.
	Just tell him I'm sorry, okay?
	But, honey, he knows that.
	Don't you know that if I keep saying the veil is thin, they hear you.
	You know that.
	They hear you.
	They're all around you.
	See, everybody wanted to congratulate me for getting the five-year-old out.
	I know, and then you went back and were upset about the three-year-old.
	You've got to realize in God's time, the three-year-old went back to God.
	That's it.
	You were such a help to his mother.
	I mean, I remember you told her that he still likes to touch her face and stuff, you know, in quiet times and stuff like that.
	You were such an inspiration to me.
	I tell you, what a classy lady.
	You are so classy, and I believe in everything you say.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	God bless you.
	And Art, I just, you know, we love you, too, and we're going to miss you so much.
	God bless you, Art.
	Thanks for your calling, sir.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	So, you know, I wonder, Sylvia, I understand that in many cases you're telling people what they want to hear, even what they desperately want to believe.
	When you tell a mother that her dead child still touches her face, and still, I know,
	but you're telling people what they want to hear.
	You're an expert in hypnosis.
	Haven't you ever been concerned, Sylvia, about the things that you say yourself?
	I mean, I know that you feel them, and I know you believe them to be true, but don't you ever worry about all this yourself?
	Or are you so confident, so sure that you're right, so sure all of this is true?
	So sure, down to the very essence of my soul.
	I couldn't live with myself.
	I don't think I would have lived all these years.
	I would have eaten myself alive with something hard.
	I don't think you can not be true to yourself.
	You'd be a lunatic picking up tinfoil and string if you did that.
	You couldn't fool yourself like that.
	I suppose you might be.
	West of the Rockies, you're on there with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, go ahead, sir.
	Very nice to get on the show, Art.
	Thank you for having me.
	I'm in California.
	My name is John.
	Sylvia, how are you?
	I'm fine.
	Terrific.
	Glad to hear it.
	I have kind of a situation I can't explain that happened to me.
	I'll try to be brief.
	For about six or so months, I would see the number on clocks, digital clocks, 11-11.
	It's very common, actually.
	Yes, and I've actually seen this happen.
	I read on the internet that it occurs a lot.
	Yes, I see 7-11 every time I look at it.
	Now, interestingly enough in numerology, because I've been in this business for, you know, so many years, 11 and 7, especially 11, is always a spiritual number.
	Now, why it is, I don't know, but numerologists tell me that it's always spiritual.
	Well, and let me, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but let me finish here, because it actually leads up to something for about six to eight months.
	I was seeing it so frequently that I told family members.
	I mean, you know, I would see it leading up to noon.
	I would see it coming up to midnight.
	Sometimes I would walk from one room to another and see it like four times in one day.
	This would happen so much until the day after September 11th.
	My grandfather, after I saw 11-11, died in my arms.
	Now, you know, that's not...
	A huge traumatic event at this point, but I was wondering, could you explain that?
	You were getting a precognitive signal.
	But see, we go again, death is a spiritual experience, so you were getting a spiritual experience.
	What is more spiritual than going back home?
	Right.
	And what you were doing was doing a precognitive thing.
	It was a real experience, and since I haven't seen it at all.
	It's like I do.
	It's like knowing something that you know before you know it.
	It was really weird, but for at least six months I let up to that, and I was very surprised to see it.
	And he actually died about 20 minutes after I saw it.
	So it was very weird.
	And I know you guys are probably pressed for time, so I wanted to fit this last thing in here.
	There's a verse in Genesis, chapter 49, verse 10, and I was wondering, it's a prophecy, Towards a supposed Messiah and it goes like this.
	The scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a lawgiver from between his feet until Shiloh comes and unto him shall a gathering of the people be.
	Could you shed some light on that?
	Shiloh has always been interpreted.
	If you really want to get what the Bible is about you should really get Lomza's interpretation because he took it directly from the Aramaic More than Greek or Latin.
	But it just means that it's a gathering of souls that are in, like we were talking about, a harmonic convergence.
	It could be any name.
	It could have been Benedict, Shiloh, whoever.
	It means that people are coming together, and then that will be the end of this Earth as we know it.
	I mean, the people of this Earth as we know it.
	First time caller line, toward the bottom of the hour here.
	Don't have a lot of time.
	You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hi.
	Hi, my name's Frazier.
	I'm in Arizona.
	Well, I just wanted to say to Sylvia, I've been listening for about two hours here.
	I've been trying to get through for about an hour.
	I'm sorry.
	I just wanted to let you know I do really like your show.
	Thank you.
	I just wanted to say I really do agree with everything that you've been saying about God and everything I've always really Had an inclination to believe these things that you've said, you know, about God being everywhere, omnipresent, omniscient, whatnot.
	And I had a question, um, just about, uh, there is, uh, something in Genesis, um, I don't know if you've heard of the Nephilim, um, in Genesis?
	There's, uh, um, for a few years I had a newsletter, I got a newsletter from a man named Charles Missler, who is... Fallen angel, sir, what is his question?
	I just wanted to know, maybe, you know, how he, uh, but you know you are
	might think about that about fallen angels no not necessarily that they are
	this guy that i i am received a few newsletters from united uh...
	had a prescription to it had ten seconds i'm sorry i'm
	and i don't know what the question is on Nor do I. I'm trying to get it out, but there's so little time.
	Well, today I'm really enjoying your program tonight.
	Glad you enjoyed it.
	We've got to get on to the bottom of the hour, actually.
	You are, of course, Sylvia, aware of Nephilim, right?
	Correct?
	Sylvia?
	Yes.
	You are aware of Nephilim?
	Yes, I am.
	Uh, I think God once washed the earth clean, uh, because of their presence.
	Isn't that so?
	Exactly.
	I wonder if this, uh, 50 years or so, um, from now or 100 years, whenever this blank time comes, is another wash.
	Exactly.
	It's cleansing.
	Hold on, Sylvia.
	We'll be right back.
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	That poor fellow couldn't quite get his question out, but he did get out the issue of the Nephilim.
	You know, when you think about it, in an instance, God did change it all, didn't he?
	He saw what he saw, and it wasn't good, and he didn't like the mix.
	and in essence for all at that instance at that moment time came to an end
	alright for a final segment uh... here once again is soviet brown
	Is there anything, Sylvia, that we have, or should have covered tonight, that we've somehow missed?
	No, I just was, you know, interested in about my book, but other than that, no.
	I think you've done a marvelous job, and I'm so sorry that you are, well, I'm not sorry, I mean, I'm sorry for the people that you're retiring, but... Well, the show will go on, as they say.
	Oh, I know, but, you know, I do want to say this to you, that I hope that wherever you go, that your angels and your guides will carry you wherever you want to go.
	Oh, I hope so, too.
	But I do know that you're going to be doing a lot of writing.
	That's actually quite probable.
	No, it's absolute.
	There are a lot of things that are quite probable.
	Nothing is as it seems, Sylvia.
	No, it never is.
	I do know that you're going to be putting out some marvelous book, maybe even a newsletter or something, but there's a lot of writing that's coming up.
	Okay, back to the lines then.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Yes, Sylvia?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You were talking about the rainforest.
	Yes.
	You know that we're pumping 75 million barrels of oil a day out of the earth's crust?
	75 million barrels.
	If you stood them side by side, they would go right around the circumference of the earth.
	They do.
	One day.
	And your question?
	What do you think of that?
	You think they're having any effect on the Earth's crust?
	Alright, so in other words, yeah, that is a lot.
	75 million barrels of oil.
	That's a lot of oil.
	So, that could indeed have an actual effect on the Earth.
	Sure does.
	It contaminates.
	Yeah, we pull it up out of the Earth and then we put it... Basically, we put it into the atmosphere as well.
	Yeah, not only that, but you know what it does in the ocean?
	Look what it does.
	When it's let loose in the ocean, the oil, look what it does.
	It kills all the wildlife.
	You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, Sylvia.
	Very nice to be talking to you right now.
	I've got two quick questions for you.
	One is, is it possible to come back and reincarnate as the same exact physical person?
	Well, you're not the exact.
	I mean, you're your own essence.
	You know what I mean?
	You always will stay who you are.
	You might come back.
	I was supposed to be a twin, but my twin was a miscarriage at a later time.
	I was wondering if he or she is here now.
	She comes around you a lot, yes.
	You just keep gaining knowledge for God.
	My other question is, I was supposed to be a twin, but my twin was a miscarriage at a
	later time.
	I was wondering if he or she is here now.
	She comes around you a lot.
	Yes, she just decided not to come in.
	I think Elvis always had that too.
	He always had a feeling that he was sort of lopsided because he didn't have his twin with him.
	I can't believe you just said that.
	Why?
	I'm the hugest Elvis fan.
	I've read a lot of what I knew exactly about that actually.
	He had a twin that didn't come in with him.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, I'm a big Elvis fan too.
	That's amazing.
	Anything else, sir?
	Sylvia, I love what you do to people.
	You're a huge inspiration.
	I hope you... I don't even know what to say.
	I love what you do.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you for calling.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi, Sylvia.
	Hi.
	I just want to say I didn't believe in any of the things that you do from anyone.
	I didn't see you.
	I saw you for the first time two or three years on a TV show on the Black Gentleman Show.
	Yeah, Montel.
	That's it.
	Well, I didn't know whether I could mention him or not.
	Sure you can, yeah.
	Oh, thank you.
	And I said, wow, you know, I don't know all these other people and you just had me transfixed.
	And I said, if anybody's got it, you have it.
	Oh, thank you, my dear.
	And I want to talk to you about spirit guides.
	You talk about spirit guides.
	Can a spirit guide Let me tell you, an animal very much like the American Indian, each one of us also has a totem and we can get into that, too.
	We do have a spirit animal, but that's not the spirit guide.
	Other people have seen it around me, the panther.
	I'm 53 and I know all my life I've been very healthy until last year or two.
	But anyone that's ever sent evil or harm to me or mine, something's always happened to them.
	And I was told that the Spirit Guide goes out and takes up for me and mine.
	Oh, they do.
	They protect you.
	And I think the more we protect ourselves with our guides and the white light of the Holy Spirit, the God Consciousness and Grace Consciousness Center, the better off we're going to be.
	That's the only thing that's going to save us.
	Sylvia, this is a big thrill for me.
	I mean, I'm telling you because I've been skeptical all my life.
	I'm somewhat agnostic.
	I'd be a complete atheist, but they don't have any holidays.
	No, they don't.
	But God loves you, too.
	God speed in your journeys.
	After the 31st, I've been listening to you.
	But God loves you too and God speed in your journeys.
	After the 31st I've been listening to you.
	When I could find you since 1993.
	For a while, huh?
	Yeah, when I could find you back then.
	What can I say, my man?
	Okay.
	Thank you so much.
	You've said it.
	You take care, my friend.
	See you later.
	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	West of the Rockies.
	Are you there?
	Last chance.
	Blown.
	First time caller line.
	Hello there.
	First time caller line.
	You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Yes, good morning Art and good morning Sylvia.
	First of all, Art, I want to say I love you and I'm going to miss you terribly.
	Thank you.
	And Sylvia, I want to say that there are no such thing as coincidences.
	I saw on the website that you were going to be on the radio tonight and I've been trying for I think about two years to call you to tell you how you've changed my life.
	I went to one of your salons and you told me that... I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.
	Deep breath, okay.
	And you told me that I'm a nurse and you told me that I wasn't finished with my nursing education that I was going to become a holistic nurse.
	Right.
	And I am.
	I am now.
	I did.
	I went to school.
	I became a holistic nurse.
	But my question for you is I'm now working in hospice care.
	Right.
	And I love it.
	It's wonderful because isn't there anything more gratifying than that?
	Nothing.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I get to see the face of God every day.
	Absolutely.
	Because I walk these people to the door.
	I know.
	It's wonderful.
	It's wondrous.
	People who have never done it don't know what they're missing.
	Oh, it's just... I'm truly, truly blessed, and I want to... A lot of the credit goes to... You can keep up the good work, honey.
	A lot of the credit goes to both of you, because Art, you have so raised my awareness with your show.
	I think he has everybody's.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And, but, Sylvia, my one question is, I have this one patient now that I'm trying to help cross, and she's having such a hard time.
	One week, honey.
	One week.
	One week?
	One week.
	Today is the anniversary of her baby son's death.
	He died 44 years ago.
	Yeah, one week, honey.
	She died but a week.
	Alright, well, there you have it.
	One week.
	Boy, you just lay that out, don't you?
	Yeah.
	Some people seem to cross so easily, even sometimes unexpectedly, and others have.
	It's such a... It's a horrible time.
	Yes.
	And that's all the way it's supposed to go for you?
	Absolutely.
	But you know what's amazing, Art, is all the people that I've found that have been in past lives that died, they didn't remember their death.
	I'll tell you what they did remember is how horrible it was coming in.
	Yeah.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Is this Wild Card Line?
	Yes, it is.
	Hi, this is Julie from Santa Fe.
	What an honor it is to talk to you tonight, Sylvia.
	I have a quick question for you.
	I read one of your books on déjà vu and what déjà vu meant.
	My question for you is, why is my déjà vu always negative?
	It always forewarns me of Bad things to come.
	Well, it can be anything.
	It means seeing before seeing.
	But pay attention to that.
	Because, see, I think you're getting this deja vu that's negative, but then ask God to take you further and see if you can't prevent it or help.
	If that were the case, I wouldn't have been able to tell Kent Herkenrath not to get on the plane out of Chicago so he didn't go down in flames.
	I mean, sometimes it's a warning that you should open your mouth and tell people.
	Okay.
	He usually revolves around death.
	Death of a loved one or friend or somebody that I know.
	Yeah, but see if you can't help because you're given this for a reason.
	And there's nothing to say that psychics or the psychic insight in Deja Vu isn't also protective.
	I mean, if I saw Art or you or somebody getting on a plane that I saw crashing, can you believe that I'm going to tell you to do it?
	I'm going to say, don't you dare get on the plane.
	The biggest troubles I've had in my life, Sylvia, have come When I've ignored... Yes, the warnings.
	Oh, and I mean big time.
	I just... I know when I'm doing it that I shouldn't be doing it, and I just know it's going to have a poor outcome.
	And I know that, and I go ahead anyway, and every damn time... I know.
	You can just kick yourself.
	Yeah.
	So I've learned to listen.
	Yeah, to that gut-level feeling.
	More carefully, that's right.
	I'll call it Deja Vu.
	Call it whatever you want.
	I think we all have it to some degree.
	Sure we do.
	We just have to learn to listen.
	Yeah.
	It's too easy to ignore and sort of blow it off.
	Absolutely.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	Okay, sir.
	What's up?
	Oh, not a whole lot.
	Good evening.
	Good morning, Sylvia.
	Yeah.
	We've watched you all the time on the Montel show.
	That's very nice.
	How we actually found out about you and We were talking about it earlier about how I'm always skeptic of people being able to say, predict the future and this, that, and the other.
	And then I heard you on the Montel Show several years ago, you know, and you were telling your story.
	It was one of the first shows that you did with him, how you were, you know, help out law enforcement and this sort of thing, doing things with them.
	And I'm like, Hey, you know what?
	This lady's got it right here.
	We can believe this one, I think.
	Unfortunately, you're not doing any personal readings tonight, but I have something else that I wanted to ask you about, and that is, you were talking earlier about angel spirits, I guess, spirit guides.
	Can you tell me how I would get in contact with a spirit guide?
	That's her new book.
	That's the seed.
	That's what it's all about.
	Contacting your spirit guide.
	And it's not a big book, but it also has a CD with it, and it shows you exactly how to do it.
	And when you have contacted your spirit guide, Sylvia, what advantage to you is, what comes to you as a result of that contact?
	Well, I think it just makes your whole psychic ability better.
	It just makes you know that there is a companion along the way.
	is there for you. I think it just shows you that God doesn't leave you down here also
	on a wider scale. That you're not alone in this world. That God does send
	minions of angels and guides and they are here to guide you along the way.
	It's just like you were saying earlier. The thing that you had a gut level feeling.
	I know for a fact that it was your guide. You may think it's just
	it could be part of your psychic ability, but it's also your guide.
	Yes, well that's possible. It's certainly possible.
	I mean, the voice comes now.
	Exactly.
	Like, don't do that.
	That's right.
	Don't do that.
	Right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yeah, this is Brad in Northern California.
	Hi, Brad.
	Hi.
	Sylvia, I love you.
	And Art, I love you, too, and I'll miss you.
	Thank you.
	And I had three real quick questions, Sylvia.
	I feel like I've been given a gift, and I've done the best I can from God.
	To work with it, and I want to know if it's real and if I can pursue it a little further.
	Sure, it's real, but listen to me.
	One thing you have to do, and this is for all the listeners, is for God's sake, validate it.
	Don't just go out on a limb with no view.
	Validate it.
	In other words, what you say, then try to validate it.
	Every reading I do, I say to people, write me back, talk to me, tell me, email me.
	Anybody can give out anything, but you want to be validated, so validate yourself.
	How do you do that?
	I mean, you follow through.
	You test yourself.
	You let others test you.
	When I send a tape with someone, I usually send a form.
	You know, was she right?
	Was she wrong?
	Where was she right?
	Where was she wrong?
	You know, in other words, you don't have any perspective then of, you know, just spewing out anything.
	Anybody can spew out anything.
	They can.
	Then you're Ms.
	Cleo, you know.
	Of that which you have kept track of, with regard to your own validation, is there any way to quantify how you've done?
	Yeah, I run between about 85 to 90 percent.
	We run it through the statistical thing.
	I don't know how they do it, but they do it on the computers, and I run about 85 to 90 percent.
	That's awfully good.
	Awfully good.
	Well, you better be, because I've always said, you're only as good as your last reading, you know?
	Yeah, I know.
	That's right, or your last show, whatever.
	That's right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on there with Sylvia Brown.
	Not a lot of time.
	Hi there.
	Alright, Sylvia, good morning.
	I just wanted to ask quickly, I'm a remote viewing student.
	I'm a student of Ed Games, as a matter of fact.
	Okay.
	And I wanted to ask Sylvia how she feels, because this is what I'm going to do with remote viewing.
	I plan to use it for personal gain.
	Use remote viewing to find winners in horse races and stuff like that.
	I wanted to ask her how she feels about using skills like these for personal gain.
	Good, good, good.
	Fine, it's a good straight out question.
	I'm not, you know, I don't think it's wrong, but I always have felt that it's never been for us.
	I've always felt, because if that was the case, we'd all go and win the lotto and all that.
	If you're going to do it that way, then make sure that you give, that you parcel it out to other people, because... Well, how do we know that some of the people who win the lotto haven't done it that way?
	We probably have, but what I've always said to them, if you do do it, for God's sake, it's seed money.
	What you get, you've got to also give out.
	So, in other words, you've got to give back, if you're really able to.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	That's why I employ so many people.
	I don't believe that you can just, and I really am, maybe I'm superstitious about this, but I just don't think you can take the money and run.
	I just don't think it's right.
	Sylvia, again, your book, I do want to mention to everybody, your book, which is right down the alley of what people have been asking about tonight, Contacting Your Spirit Guide, available probably everywhere, so if people really want to know how to do it, then you not only get the book, but you get a CD with the concentration exercises, is that fair?
	Yeah, that's fair.
	That allow you to contact your spirit guide, to get the job done, right?
	Well, dear lady, it's been a pleasure interviewing you over all these years.
	I know, and I'm going to miss you, too, but keep in touch with me, all right?
	Oh, I will, Sylvia.
	All right.
	Good night, dear lady.
	And God bless you and keep you always.
	You as well.
	Good night.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Since we mention him, why not?
	What a way to go out, huh?
	A very old friend Came by today Cause he was telling everyone in town Of the love that he just found And the reasoning Of his latest flame He talked and talked And I heard him say Do you ever listen to the words of this song?
	There's something different about it.
	Presley did a lot of stuff.
	But this song, there's something different about it.
	Listen everybody.
	Don't forget about the big CD offer at Artbell.com.
	It's well worth the going and the grabbing.
	It's been, uh, been a great night.
	Tomorrow night, uh, he was just mentioned.
	Tomorrow night we're gonna major Ed Dames here with his final appearance before I retire.
	After this night, though, from the high desert, that's it.
	Good night.
	He's the name of his latest flame.
	Though I smile, he tears inside with a burning eye.
	I whispered, I lost count and he said goodbye.
	He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
	What else was there for me to do but cry?
	Oh, do you believe that yesterday this girl was in my arms holding me?
	She'll be mine eternally and Marie's the name of the greatest flame.
	Yeah, Marie's the name of the greatest flame.

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