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unidentified		From the high desert, great American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world, the time zone covered by all one way or the other.
		It is mostly 20 p.m.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Great to be here.
		In the first hour, it's been a moment.
		Was there a human abduction tape in Brazil?
		You decide for yourself.
		She's got the latest.
		Linda Moulton Howell, an investigative reporter, a science reporter for this program for years and years and years.
		She does an environmental documentary.
		Every several strange and unusual.
		You'll be here in a moment with a report on what happened, I guess.
		What happened in Brazil?
		And then in the next hour, Sylvia Brown, an internationally recognized good time of the year, right at the end of the year, with visions for what's coming in the next year or so.
		Sylvia Brown, in the next hour.
		Should be quite a nice day right where you are.
		All right, here from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, with more of what she does, and that's investigation and reporting.
		This is the reporting part.
		Is Linda Moulton Howe?
		Hi, Linda.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		You know, in the middle of November, just about four weeks ago, a Brazilian businessman named Philippe Castello Branco emailed to various UFO researchers a brief description of an alleged human abduction in the Campo Grande region west of Rio de Janeiro.
		And what made this email unusual were the photographs attached.
		One shows the imprint of a human body on a bed sheet.
		Another shows dark scorch marks on the wood ceiling above the bed, also in the pattern of a human body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scorch marks in the pattern of a human body?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yep, dark scorches.
		You can see these photographs right now at my website, www.earthfiles.com.
		On the headlines page, click on tonight's top story about the alleged Brazilian abduction, and you can follow along with my report, and you can see all these photographs.
		There was also a photograph of some strange round stones that reportedly fell out of the sky around 7 o'clock in the evening on September 15th, 2002 for several seconds, right before a man named Yurindir Oliveira disappeared from his bedroom for three days.
		Mr. Oliveira is 39 years old and was born and raised in Sao Paulo, southwest of Rio de Janeiro.
		He said that in 1976, he first encountered tall, blonde-haired extraterrestrial beings when he was 13 years old in the country outside Sao Paulo.
		The Scandinavian-looking entities took him into a craft and they put objects in his neck, which the beings told him would, quote, facilitate our communication and interaction, unquote.
		And there is an x-ray of Mr. Olivira's neck at earthbiles.com, and it shows three small white dots inside his neck bones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, then in October 1998, his second alleged abduction occurred in the Campo Grande region, and then his third abduction was allegedly on Sunday, September 15th, also at the Campo Grande site, the event with the body prints on the bed sheet in the ceiling.
		And Mr. Oliveira does not speak English, but Philippe Branco does.
		Mr. Branco, an executive at Castello Branco Limited, was educated at the University of London, and he runs businesses now for his family's ranches and holding companies in Rio de Janeiro, Italy, and Campo Grande.
		Mr. Branco was driving to see Mr. Oliveira, who he has befriended since 1996.
		And this date on September 15th, he was coming along a road, could see the house, and as he neared the house, small round rocks fell from the sky onto Mr. Branco's car and the surrounding ground.
		And what happened next, Mr. Branco is going to tell us in his own words.
		But first, there is now controversy about what happened.
		In early December, Brazil's Mutual UFO Network director, A.J. Gavard, who publishes and edits Brazilian UFO magazine, told me on the phone that the alleged Oliveira abduction was a hoax perpetrated for publicity in order to scam money from people and make Mr. Oliveira and his followers rich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On December 13th, Is there any sign that that, in fact, has been occurring, that there's been solicitation of funds for any reason surrounding this that we know about?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		No, and when you hear Mr. Bronco, I think you will understand this is a very rural area.
		And he explains to some extent how an association to research this area got started, and they raised funds to build a facility where they could have some kind of just basic housing with people being out there in this rural area where there's nothing else there.
		And outside of that, so far, the indications of everything that I know is that this is not a man who is wealthy and that this, I don't think, is a scam.
		But in fairness to Mr. Geverd, we should at least quote in an email that he sent to, quote, the international UFO community by email on December 13th.
		And the email begins, quote, please be informed that the story of a man abducted in Brazil with dramatic photos of the scenario is a campaign to promote overseas the biggest UFO hoaxer of all time in Brazil,
		Yurindir Fernandez de Oliveira, who has actually created a sect of fanatics around him composed of people who blindly believe in his alleged ET contacts and healing powers, none of them ever confirmed by anyone.
		The man has been repeatedly exposed as hoaxer by dozens of UFO researchers, and many people, even from his sect, after waking up to reality, have come forward to describe Hurandir's tricks and scheme, unquote.
		Now, Philippe Bronco had also received A.J. Guevard's email when I reached him by telephone on December 13th at the Campo Grande office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you play that, Linda, it seems to me that for you to even be proceeding past the point of that email, you must have some doubts about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, what are we talking about?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And one of the things, one of the first things Mr. Branco said was, how can this man make these accusations, Mr. Guevard, if he has never been here to even research the phenomena?
		That was his first point.
		And here, in his own voice, is Mr. Branco now with his reaction to the hoax allegation and his description of what he says he saw and heard himself on September 15th, 2002 at the alleged abduction location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		In the place.
		He's never done research there.
		This area is an area of very difficult access.
		It's about 100 kilometers from Camp Grange.
		It's in the middle of nowhere.
		And we formed a UFO Research Association with all the people that have been traveling there and doing research there.
		We're beginning to gather all those people.
		We're about 1,000 plus members.
		So let's say, we build up facilities there so that we can go there and stay in a house, have running water and all the minimum facilities to do all the research and all the work there.
		Because otherwise, it will be impossible.
		So when Mr. Geverard alleges that Uranier charges fortunes for people who come and visit, it's a ridiculous accusation.
		If you come and see it for yourself, you're going to stay there.
		We have a very basic, let's say, we have very basic facilities there, a minimum to be able to stay there for a few days and perform the research we've been performing for six years.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Does Mr. Olivier speak English?
unidentified		No, he doesn't.
unidentified		He's a man of a simple background.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What kind of background?
unidentified		He's done, let's say, high school, only has his education limits to high school studies.
		And, you know, he used to be involved in construction and stuff like that.
		He's a very simple man.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about the beginning of strange phenomena at this area in Campo Grande where Mr. Oliviera lives?
unidentified		It was a very shocking experience.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Explain it.
unidentified		Because I was already doing research in Campo Grande with LG.
		I've seen their ships, everything, beams.
		I had done many encounters there, incredible stuff, you know.
		But I was very afraid, you know, because I could never see myself involved directly with this, you know.
		Because it's very difficult to believe, even though you see them in front of you and all that.
		It's strange, you know.
		It's like you're dreaming, you know.
		It's like you're in Disneyland.
		I don't know.
		It's very strange.
		It's very difficult to accept this reality.
		This last abduction that he suffered, let's say, when he was in the ship, he said he saw many of them there.
		He saw the red, the blonde, the short one, others with olive skin, chocolate kind of skin, not black, chocolate, cinnamon kind of tone, the tone of the skin.
		And they are working together, these people.
		I think they're more or less doing a joint venture, let's say, here.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Why did they take Mr. Oliveira, leaving that imprint on the bed and on the ceiling of the room?
unidentified		The imprint, they decided to...
		They had warned him.
		In fact, he called a few researchers there.
		We were like, I could count 28, but there were more.
		And we were staying there and waiting for this to happen.
		But he did not know that these marks would be left.
		He did not know that.
		We discovered that.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Now, can you please explain again why it was that you and the 27 other people were there with Mr. Oliveira?
unidentified		Because he wanted witnesses.
		Because this ET said, we're going to come and pick you up.
		You're going to stay with us for some time.
		While we will pick you up, we're going to materialize these stones as if they were raining, you know, those round stones.
		And we want witnesses.
		So he said, so he warned all members of the association, said, all those that can be, that they do not have work engagements, they can be here in Campo Grange for this event, please come.
		So they came.
		And we stayed there the whole week waiting because he did not know.
		The window of time was one week.
		We did not know when.
		So we stayed there.
		And it happened exactly as he said.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		On that particular day of September 15th, what were you doing that evening?
		And where were you?
		And what exactly happened leading up to these dramatic photographs?
unidentified		I was arriving in the compound.
		Five minutes before this happened, I was arriving there.
		Because I had come to Campo Granada for, I had to do some stuff here.
		Then I came back again.
		And then when I was coming back, I could see these stones coming down from the sky.
		I was amazed.
		I stopped the car, I looked.
		What's going on?
		What's going on?
		All these people were coming, running there, there, there.
		They were showing, they were pointing upwards.
		And I could hear my car.
		I was like, my God, what's going on?
		When I looked, you could see this stones, you know, falling.
		It looked as if it was raining stones.
		Picked up many of them.
		The other people that were coming, the other 27, and they were collecting the stones as well.
		They could see them falling.
		There's light there.
		They could see them falling on the roofs and making the noise.
		Crazy noise.
		They were like, my God, they were all screaming.
		They were afraid.
		They were like, my God, what's going on here?
		The stones fell for like a few seconds.
		10 seconds, maybe, 15 seconds.
		But it was prior to his abduction because he was in his house.
		And I was arriving with my car.
		And the stones was fallen.
		And then I drove up the driveway of his house.
		And we all arrived there.
		We tried to open his bedroom.
		It was locked.
		And we broke in.
		And when we came inside, there was this strange ozone smell.
		And a sour type of smell, very strange.
		And you're saying sour like vinegar?
		Not really.
		I don't know how to describe.
		I would say sour is the closest description I can give of the smell.
		The ozone smell was very strong.
		But there was also this kind of sour, strange smell that I cannot identify.
		And there were like all this bunch of people walking inside the room and the hair of our bodies, you know, was raised, you know.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And what was the first thing you saw inside the room?
unidentified		I saw the marks.
		I looked and I was like, I was shocked.
		I was totally shocked.
		None of us expected this.
		We were like, my God, what's going on?
		And we were very, people were very afraid and surprised at the same time.
		Because we were like, my God, was he disintegrated?
		Did he die?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And what you're talking about are the marks on the sheet.
		Can you talk about those more?
		Because you were the one there.
		Describe it more.
unidentified		They were not scorch marks.
unidentified		It was not scorched.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Did you touch the sheet?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What did it feel like?
unidentified		Yeah, it felt strange.
		It didn't feel hot.
		There was no smoke involved.
		Nothing.
		Just this strong old zone smell and this sour type of smell.
		I may be coming out from the mattress.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now in the photo, it almost looks wet.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Did it feel wet?
unidentified		No, they were not wet.
		But you could...
		It was more like a stain, not wet.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And you touched it with your fingers?
unidentified		Oh, yes, I touched it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		So you did not feel moisture and you did not feel wet.
unidentified		No moisture whatsoever.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And no heat.
unidentified		No heat.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And did it feel, though, where the leg and the body imprints and the sheet were?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Did the texture of the sheet feel different there than it did where the body had not marks were not?
unidentified		Yes, they felt different.
		It felt rougher.
		The texture felt rougher.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Where the body marks were?
unidentified		Yes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And you all stayed in that room until how long?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and you could look up to the ceiling.
unidentified		Yes, when you looked up the ceiling, that was the craziest, because it was like a mirror image, you know.
		We were like, my god.
		And you went through the ceiling and the roof.
		We were very, very impressed.
		We stayed like for like half an hour taking photos, filming.
		And then we locked the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a mirror image.
unidentified		We locked the room.
		And we put padlock so that no one would come in because we were waiting for this American scientist.
		He came.
		He collected samples and he took back to the United States to do research.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Now, how long was Mr. Oliveira gone?
unidentified		He left on Sunday, around 7 p.m.
unidentified		He came back on Tuesday, around 9 p.m.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And when he came back, what was that?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Were you there and what happened?
unidentified		No, I was not there.
		They called me from there and said, please come because he just arrived.
		And it was funny because the room was locked with padlocks, no?
		We all locked the room to protect.
		And he returned to the same room.
		They dropped him there in the same place.
		And he was locked there.
		I was like, my God, what's going on?
		They locked me inside here.
		And he had to call and said, please come and pick me up.
		So people could not believe him.
		They ran and said, my God, he's there.
		They opened the door.
		He was there, walked inside the bedroom.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And he actually called people on a telephone to say, come and open up my bedroom and let me out?
unidentified		It's an internal line.
unidentified		It's not a telephone.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And what did he tell everyone that had happened in that Sunday to Monday to Tuesday time?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And when we come back in the next half-art, we can get into those details, which are interesting and relate to what a lot of people are talking about in changes on this earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm looking, you know, at these photographs.
		Good God Almighty.
		It looks like he was scorched off that bed.
		It looks like he went right through that ceiling, and they are a mirror image.
		The photographs at EarthFiles.com are extremely clear, folks.
		The problem is that the site is so busy it took me 15 minutes to get through.
		Yeah, yeah, it did.
		But it's worth the wait.
		All right, Linda, hold it right there.
		Holy mackerel.
		EarthFiles.com.
		You've got to see these photographs.
		Looks like something took him off that bed and right through the ceiling.
		It is odd.
		And rock falling from the heavens.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Sweet dreams are made of the years.
		Who am I to disagree?
		I travel the world and the seven seas.
		Everybody is looking for something.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Some of them want to get used by you.
		Some of them want to use you.
		Like she did one thousand times before.
		Don't you love her ways?
		Now tell me what you say.
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		All your love.
		All your love is gone.
		Sing a lonely song.
		Of a deep blue dream.
		Seven horses seem to be on the mark.
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		And the Wildcard line is open at 1775-727-1295.
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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Ark Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly isn't difficult to see why Lynn is pursuing this.
		You've got to see the photographs at EarthFiles.com.
		There's an imprint on the sheet, or the sheet, and then identical flipped imprint on the ceiling.
		It's totally awesome.
		Obviously, something happened there.
		Rocks from the clouds off the roof of the house.
unidentified		Stay on the mark.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back into the fray.
		Once again, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, here is Linda Montenhow.
		Linda, welcome back.
		Obviously, you know, after seeing this, a lot of people are going to want to know what kind of information was imparted.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And what I've got now is an excerpt about what Mr. Oliveira told Mr. Bronco and all of those other researchers there after they got into through the locked door and found him inside of his bedroom wanting to get out.
		Here now is Mr. Branco about what Mr. Oliveira said.
unidentified		He said that he was laying on his bed, he was reading this book, and then the room filled with this violet light, and he felt a fevered type of sensation, like his body hitting up.
		And then he saw himself being lifted and then through the ceiling, through the roof, and inside the ship there.
		When he got there, there was this bean.
		They showed him to the cylinder, this transparent cylinder that he had to lay down inside there.
		And then the cylinder closed, and there was this smoke.
		He said, the smoke filled the cylinder.
		And then there was as if this jumpsuit materialized on him.
		It's more or less like this.
		Then he came out of the cylinder, then they brought him to the big room with other beings there, and they were telling him things, showing him things on a screen.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now let's talk about that in a second.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		But what type of beings were these?
unidentified		The red hairs, there was this chocolate-skinned, the small, hairy one.
unidentified		There were all these sorts of beings there.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And they were all mixed up together in this large room.
unidentified		Yes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And when they take him into that large room, where do they put Mr. Olivira?
unidentified		He was standing there.
		He was standing there with them.
		And they were showing him stuff.
		And telling him things, you know.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What did he say that they showed him on the screen and told him?
unidentified		They showed him how he's supposed to, let's say, give information in certain times, you know, about the things that are going to happen and how he's supposed to aid in this.
		And showed him images of this.
		But what he told me is that between 2003 and 2012, he said there's this not a meteor, but there's a that's coming inside our solar system that's going to affect our our electromagnetic field, that's going to affect the polar like the polar shift type of thing, you know.
		But he said it's not as dramatic as people are saying, you know.
		It's much lighter.
		The event is going to be is going to be much lighter, not really as dramatic as people are saying there.
		And he said that it's going to be like, he said, like ice rocks falling to the earth.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Blocks of ice?
unidentified		Yes, blocks of ice.
unidentified		He calls them ice rocks.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Ice rocks.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like possibly an encounter with a comet.
unidentified		Maybe.
		It's going to affect certain cities, but he could not recognize the cities.
		He said they showed me in the screen this rocks falling and hitting this series, but I could not recognize them.
		I do not know where.
		And he said that, and he said about this another bacteria.
		He says this, what do you call it, biological war?
		He said it's already going on secretly, let's say.
		It's already going on a certain bacterial war, biological, chemical war.
		It's going on already.
		He did not explain it.
		I did not understand very well what he meant by that.
		But he said it's already happening in a, let's say, in a light way, and it will become very, very serious after 2004.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		In other words, there will be...
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What you're saying is that there will be more illnesses on the earth that we'll not have a cure for?
unidentified		Yes, and he said that later on these beings, they will provide information to certain people around the planet to heal this, because we will not have technology to deal with this disease.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And if the extraterrestrials know all this is coming and know that there is biological warfare now and it will get worse, why don't they stop it?
unidentified		I asked that to him many times.
		It has to do with direct intervention.
		You cannot directly intervene.
		They can help in a certain way.
		And also, the interaction between us and them is difficult.
		You have to have your energetic fields, your personal vibrational frequency very balanced, you know, in order to sustain a contact and interact with them.
		It's very difficult interaction.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Does Mr. Olivira say to you that these blonde and red-haired beings, and the ones that are dark-skinned and short and all, this whole group, they are taking me because he explain why I'll focus on him?
unidentified		On him?
		He said like this.
		They are doing this to many people, but he did not specifically explain why him.
		He did not say that.
		I don't know if he knows it.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And in the wake of Spielberg's taken, 20 hours on television, that was definitely setting the tone of a sort of sweet and innocent genetic experiment on the earth, the experience here at the Campo Grande area in Brazil makes you wonder about these tall humanoid beings,
		the blondes and the red hairs, that have long been reported in South America and Peru as almost as if they watch and they monitor and they interact, they interfere in some cases.
		But it is as if they are not going to change events if humans are in some way moving along on a timeline.
		And that is always something that has bothered people in the human abduction syndrome.
		I've heard that so many times.
		Why don't they stop it if they can see the future?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a good question.
		One I would have asked too.
		Now, something I can imagine might be so, which sent a little chill down my spine, is that biological warfare has already begun.
		You know, I've thought about that, Linda.
		Me too.
		You just might not get sick right away.
		Whatever is released might have a certain period of time before.
		Hi, yeah, yeah, yeah.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I thought about it with the Marines, all of this problem with the Marines, the rash on the man who dies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Within hours.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and the man who was under 18 years old and underwater and dies.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		They having the streptococcus A affecting so many Marines, the strange possible change in the Norwalk virus on the ships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The one case, you know, of the man with strep A that to go from, oh look, a rash to a rash everywhere to dead within a few hours, that I'm not familiar with.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what is that about?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And another very interesting part of this story that I will continue to follow up at EarthFiles.com, radio, and Dreamland Online is the American scientist who still remains anonymous, but I will be able to report the findings that he has and is working on now concerning the ceiling and the bed and some other areas when that report is ready, hopefully in the beginning of 2003.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly, Linda, as I look at the bed, for example, there are areas darker than other areas.
		That would seem to indicate to me that there is some recoverable mass of some kind of material that would cause this, I don't know whether you want to call it a stain, a burn, or whatever it is.
		It obviously is thicker in some areas.
		There would be something recoverable here to test, right?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Mr. Bronco said that the American scientist, who remains anonymous, did collect from the bed and from the ceiling and rocks and various things.
		And there is also more research underway on the study of these rocks.
		A.J. Guevara said that a geologist in Brazil claims that the rocks are normal.
		However, Mr. Bronco, his family, has ranched in that area for three or four generations.
		And he said that in his own experiences around the country, that the only place that he has ever seen the quantity of these round stones is in this Campo Grande area where this flat-topped mesa, I have a couple of photos at EarthFiles.com.
		It reminds me almost of Devil's Tower in Wyoming, only shorter and fatter.
		And this is a valley where these events have happened.
		And these experiences have not been confined to Mr. Oliveira.
		Mr. Philippe Branco, he's had his own first-hand face-to-face with a very strange creature.
		There is a photograph that he sent me that is enhanced, and it is quite odd.
		I looked at the original photograph.
		I have dealt with the enhancement, and I've got it at EarthFiles.com.
		This was a small, dark-skinned humanoid with intense yellow eyes wearing some kind of a blue-colored garment.
		And Mr. Branco and his colleague Flavio Mori came face to face with this.
		They've also had encounters alongside with Mr. Oliveira in which Philippe Branco, Mori, and others have watched Mr. Oliveiri's forehead suddenly seem to glow in a pulsing light in total in think or reaction to tall red-haired and
		tall blonde-haired beings that Mr. Branco and others have watched through binoculars, watching the faces and the foreheads of the beings close through binoculars, seeing their foreheads seem to pulse with light and watching Mr. Oliveira's.
		And Mr. Oliveira doesn't know what is exactly happening except that when this does occur, he is left with the residue of thought.
		And Mr. Oliveira explains that it has something to do with telepathic communication with these particular beings.
		And it made me wonder, you know, in the various ancient texts and religious literatures of the planet, there periodically have been descriptions of the tall beings with the glowing faces.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Americans should realize we are but 260 million or whatever the current figure is of the world's population, and so these incidences would naturally occur around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here is a prime example of one.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And you know, another interesting thing in terms of physical evidence, I would personally like to work with some geologists in this area one way or another, and Philippe Branco would welcome that kind of help.
		There is a photograph at earthfiles.com of the circular depressions in stone.
		Now, Philippe Branco says that there have been eyewitnesses who have seen pulsing lights set down on this hard stone that is associated with this mesa, this wide sort of devil's tower.
		Making these impressions in the stone, and if so, that would involve some kind of frequency or heat.
		And to make that link, I would think it may be difficult.
		But nevertheless, these photographs are quite interesting.
		They're very circular.
		And he said there's many of these depressions in this one particular area where this flat-top mesa is above the valley where all this phenomena has occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One wonders why these hot spots develop.
		The ranch.
		You know about that.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Billy Meyer, if there's anything to all of that.
		And these other various places around the globe all of a sudden get really hot.
		And you've got to ask yourself why.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and Mr. Branco said that Mr. Oliveira refers to a vortex, at least in the Portuguese to the English translation, because Mr. Oliveira speaks Portuguese, that he refers to it as like a vortex, an opening that they, and he refers to them as extraterrestrials from other planets.
		Nothing about dimensions.
		He says very frankly that they are from some planet someplace.
		And that they know how to use electromagnetic fields in certain ways.
		That this planet has magnetic lines that change and some will weaken and collapse and then reform.
		And that these beings know somehow how to interact with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last night I was speaking with Dr. Michio Kaku, Professor Kaku.
		He said if you had some anti-matter, actual material, that it would provide a fairly reliable portal between hither and yond, both in time and space.
		In other words, you could be in a different place in space as well as in time.
		It's a very interesting conversation.
		It's something that's not on this Earth right now, of course.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Right, and what you mean is that technologically there may be beings so advanced that they could manipulate gravity, space, and time in such a way that they might even be in another universe and still be able to penetrate this one in some way through time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, or perhaps even move back and forth at will.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And then they would certainly disappear in front of our eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would appear to us as though they were disappearing, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's well within the realm of current theoretical physics thinking.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And in the crop formations, constantly has come up the theme, for example, from Robert Vanderbrucker in Holland, who has seen the strange lights that have interacted with the field in Hooven, Holland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And he has repeatedly, for five years, gotten the impression and says that he thinks that those lights have something to do with angels.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, angels might be considered an intelligence that's in another dimensional frequency, maybe even in another universe that has some ability to send some kind of a plasma probe or something that does work on this planet that may be programmed, but that the intelligence associated with the lights may not ever even be here in this particular matter world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Linda, a lot of times I think whether they're angels, devils, extraterrestrials, extra-dimensionals, that our perception of that is colored by our biases, you know, our own personal biases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When something comes along that you absolutely cannot explain, your brain is going to reach out and try and explain it with what you know.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And remember that incredible milk hill from 2001 that was 787 feet across, 409 circles, perfect circular geometry on a slanted field that had six-foot ditches undulating throughout the field, and yet from the air it was perfect circular geometry.
		And that one formation has stopped everybody in their tracks, including some of the people out of London who have liked to go out in the fields and play around.
		And it was such an extraordinary formation that made everybody Stand back and say, this is not possible in terms of human understanding what could possibly have interacted on that kind of scale.
		And in some ways, what's happened in Brazil, what's happening in other parts of the world, the crop formations, they're all provoking the human to look beyond where we are, that there's something trying to get our attention art.
		Something like Mr. Oliveira, who are these tall blondes and these tall red hairs with green eyes that have been reported in South America for decades with always the story about something in the future that they have knowledge about and that they're here monitoring and watching and that they have limited interaction with the earth.
unidentified		And there are almost rules.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost rules.
		In other words, only so much intervention is possible.
		Preventing a catastrophic event is not possible, but perhaps helping once it's underway is.
		That's hard for a lot of us to understand, but I guess there may be some kind of rules.
		Linda, as always, listen, we're out of time.
		Incredible report.
		As always, absolutely incredible report.
		Working with you all these years has been, as you know, a gigantic pleasure for me, and I hope you will continue to report for Coast.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, I am going to miss you so much and that voice that cracks the night with the thunder.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And Art, thank you for the time with you, and I hope that I can keep doing reports on Coast and Dreamland Online.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll be back from time.
		If they invite me, I'll be back from time to time to fill in.
		So perhaps again we meet on the air.
		Linda, good night.
unidentified		Thank you.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Merry Christmas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Merry Christmas to you.
		Oh, there you have it.
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		And if you don't want to sleep as well tonight as you otherwise might have slept, you can take a look.
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		coming up in a moment we're gonna look ahead with one of the best psychics in the world so the ground
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		The sunsets come, the sunsets go, the clouds go by, the earth turns slow, and the young bird's eyes do always grow.
		And she must fly.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Born Sylvia Shoemaker in Kansas City, Sylvia Brown was raised predominantly Catholic, but also absorbed the Jewish, Episcopalian, and Lutheran backgrounds of her extended family.
		At the age of three, she realized she had a psychic gift, could communicate with spirits from the other side with the help of her grandmother, Ada Coyle.
		Also established a respected psychic counselor, Sylvia came to understand her many psychic abilities, learned how to use her gifts to help others.
		After spending 18 years as a Catholic school teacher, Sylvia Brown decided it was time to dedicate her life to passion for spiritual knowledge.
		Lectures in her home with 15 to 20 friends soon grew to gatherings of 200 to 300 people in churches and town halls.
		Before long, she was making television appearances as well as appearing before standing room-only audiences all across the country with an M.S. in English literature, minors in theology, and comparative religion.
		Brown has also earned the status of master hypnotist.
		In 74, founded the Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research, which is now the Sylvia Brown Corporation.
		In 1986, she established a non-profit organization called the Society of Novus Spiritus, which has a membership in now the thousands.
		in a moment sylvia brown And here is Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia, welcome back to the program.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's nice to be with you, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm so happy to have you.
		Sylvia, the first thing I would like to ask you, we're going to go through so much incredible information tonight.
		I guess I'd like to know, when you're not dealing specifically with a person, when you're dealing with general predictions or visions or communications or understandings, how specifically do these things come to you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's easier, actually, Art with one-on-one.
		When you're doing world prediction, it's tougher.
		But you just have, there, of course, there's so many variables.
		But I really have To sequester myself in a room and just sit there with pen and paper.
		And what I do is I go through different categories.
		I go through the economy, you know, what's happening with the world in general, with war.
		I go through every single religiously, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and it just comes through it's just simply Here's what I want to ask.
		I interview a lot of remote viewers, for example.
		I'll be interviewing one more night.
		And a remote viewer will say remote viewing is a disciplined form of a psychic.
		That there's much more discipline applied.
		And they say that that screens out the mind's fattisful tendencies.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I wonder, in your case, how are you able to know that you're separating what might be wandering in your mind from what is clearly information coming from elsewhere?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to explain it to you.
		It just feels different.
		You know what I mean?
		It just feels different.
		It's like saying, do you know the difference between, I know this sounds corny, but love and hate.
		I mean, it's just very distinctively different.
		It just is more picturesque.
		It's just more, I want to use the word thicker, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thicker.
		Oh, that's okay.
		There's a descriptive word.
		Thicker.
		Heavier, thicker.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Heavier, thicker, more intense, maybe.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let's then begin to look at what's coming.
		It's the end of yet another year, and it's a very good time always to try and look ahead and to see what's in store for us.
		And without even having to be psychic, we can all see we appear to be clearly headed for a war.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But my God, the things that could come with it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I've even said that, you know, way before this on television.
		I said, you know, you think that war is going to settle it.
		The retaliation that's going to come hard.
		And I've never been a doomsday, you know, what we call prophet, but the retaliation that's going to come is going to be horrific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of television, before we do move on to that, there was a challenge to you that it was the amazing Randy, I think, and Larry King.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people saw that, you know, and they don't know how it came out or what came of it or what happened.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I never did do it for one thing.
		I just didn't want to do it.
		I got emails from everywhere, in fact, even from investigators and all kinds of things.
		And I just didn't feel like being set up for it.
		You know, I've been too, I guess, long in the tooth to get into that with him, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you felt like he'd sandbagged you somehow or another?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't feel like it would ever be fair, you know.
		I mean, it was kind of a setup.
		And now he started the Atheistic Society, so I'm just kind of aggravated with the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He started the Atheistic Society?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has he really?
		I'll be doggone.
		Amazing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he is amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, one of the things that we've already faced, the buildings in New York came down, the Pentagon, we're facing terrorism.
		And I think almost everybody would like to know what you know, if anything, about what this country or the world, for that matter, faces ahead with terrorism.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm the most concerned about, not, you know, everybody's worried about airplanes.
		See, what I'm the most concerned about is our transportation.
		I'm worried about our trucks, our trains.
		What better way to cripple us than to cripple us with our food products coming in and out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we depend on food products trucked into the desert here, otherwise we starve.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And you start hitting the Teamsters and all that other, you know, because my father was an old trucking man, and you start hitting that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I do want to be careful here to separate, Sylvia, what you're worried about, which is probably what we're all worried about, and what you may know psychically.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, this is psychic.
		I mean, I never would have ever thought about the transportation factory.
		I mean, I was more worried about planes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So are you saying then you see other areas of transportation being hit like trains and trucks and anything that's going to cripple us as far as our foodstuffs or our products coming in?
		I know psychically it's very difficult to attach timelines to things, but it's always what people want, of course.
		I mean, they say, oh, that's, God, that's awful.
		I mean, I don't want to be without food.
		When?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm worried about the middle of the year.
		I'm really worried about like June, July.
		Let's nail it.
		You know, that's when I'm really concerned about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		June or July?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know what I'm really concerned about too, and this is on a psychic level too, is then I'm worried about other countries that are going to get into this for fear that we're going to be sniffing around.
		And I know that we say that, you know, maybe the UN is behind this, but I think we're going to find a flaring up of, let's say, Vietnam or China or whatever is going to flare up.
		So I don't think, I think this is just the beginning of other countries getting concerned about us going in there and stiffing around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you see something simultaneously occurring.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so we're fighting then two fronts, or fighting probably on a front we don't understand or know, and then on one other solid.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we don't seem to have a voice in this.
		I mean, it seems to be, let's go to war and get this settled.
		Now, do I think that something should be done with Saddam and all these other dissidents?
		Of course I do, but I just believe that because of the war, that we have so many factions That are what we call the religious jihad that's going to really come back at us because they think we're infidels and devils.
		And I don't mean the whole Islamic community because everybody knows that Muhammad was a very religious spiritual person.
		I'm talking about the radicals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that Americans, and I'm one of them, understand how radicalized their world is.
		Is it a very teeny weeny percentage?
		Is it an increasing, an increasing percentage?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's increasing in huge numbers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Because it's become almost, let's call it a rolling belief that we're the infidels.
		You see what I mean?
		And when that happens, then we're the scourge of the earth.
		You know, then we become the scourge.
		And what always amazes me is the oxymoron of a holy war.
		You know, you and I both know there's nothing holy about a war, nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I know that all sides hold God up on right, right in there.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And then you start asking the question, which side it's got on, you know, and it's not so much that.
		It's what man has done.
		It doesn't have anything to do with God.
		It's man that goes rabid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And God watches or God intervenes?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		God watches.
		God holds us in the palm of his hand.
		But you see, every man has a chart to do what he's going to do.
		And I think this is probably, you know, like Dickens said, the best of times and the worst of times.
		I think this is probably the time that everybody can spiritually grow more than they've ever grown.
		But what I'm saying is we're also seeing, it's probably one of the most trying times that we've seen, at least in yours and my lifetime, and many people out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody in the last hour on a non-related topic, maybe, said that, and it kind of raised the hair on the back of my neck, that the biological war has already begun.
		And I thought I would ask you about that.
		There could be a biological release, Sylvia, that we wouldn't know about until sometime after it had occurred.
		It's the silent killer of all times.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		And, you know, there's all kinds of things that we don't, because I'm not medical, but there's all kinds of things that are nerve-related.
		You see what I mean?
		That could be released that we wouldn't even know what hit us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of weird things going on right now, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Norwalk virus, people who are getting a rash, and then within hours, it's over their entire body, and boom, within hours.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to call it a stap or a strep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's strep.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I work with 320 doctors, and there's no doctor that I know that says that strep does that.
		You know, I mean, I got a letter from my grandkids' school and said that there's an hoof and mouth.
		Well, I mean, come on.
		I mean, I've lived in this world a long time, and I remember back in the 70s that I started picking up things like fibromyalgia and lupus is on the rise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		We have things like Candida and Legionnaires.
		Now, no way in this world are you as old as I am, but we never heard of these kind of illnesses.
		We're slowly being eroded by, and it's twofold.
		You see, what I'm also concerned about is that we have actually become the terrorists of this world, too, because we're cutting down our rainforest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're right about.
		How old are you, Solia?
		66.
		66, you're right.
		I'm not as old as you are.
		Well, that's what I said.
		So you're right.
		I mean, lupus, fibromyalgia, all of that.
		Not even a word about those things uttered when I was a little bit of a.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and we have just the ALS is on the right.
		MS is on the right.
		I mean, I talk to 20 people a day.
		I mean, I have a large, large group of sort of having my finger on the pulse of people, and they have got illnesses, and doctors are just throwing up their hands and saying, we don't know what the hell's wrong with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the question was, is it possible we're already under biological attack?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think definitely we are.
		I think we've been under it for quite a while, and we haven't figured out, you know, we haven't, or else they don't want to tell us, let's put it that way, that we are under, because I talk to people day in and day out that are aching all over.
		They've got strange rashes.
		Their glands swell off and on.
		It's all true.
		And no one knows what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a ton of email on these kind of subjects myself, and I don't know what to do with it.
		I mean, I'm not a doctor.
		It's hard to put it all together, but you're right.
		I'm getting a ton of that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do, too.
		I get hundreds of thousands of email, and I'm answering letter questions, and I'm sending people to doctors, and I'm trying to get specialists.
		I mean, I'm just running around like a chicken with my head cut off, you know.
		When I'm on TV or I'm doing lectures, I've got people standing up and saying, I've got this weird thing going on.
		And look at the brain tumors that we're seeing.
		I mean, I never used to see that like we do now.
		And here's another thing.
		Look at the infertility problems we're seeing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been some incredible scary stories about infertility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, across the board, American males just across the board becoming more and more infertile.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And women, too.
		I think it's nature's way of saying we've had it with you.
		You know, you've torn down our rainforest.
		You've thrown cigarette butts in the stream and beer cans.
		And you've polluted everything.
		And so now, I'm not ever convinced that this world will survive.
		We're just going to be like the dinosaurs.
		The world's just going to have its way with us, and then we're going to just be eliminated, and the world will survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So otherwise, how are you feeling?
unidentified		So in other words, that's pretty dark stuff.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, and you know me well enough that I've never been.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		In fact, the last time I was on Montellin, I gave just a tiny bit of this, and people wrote me and said, God, Sylvie, you've always been so positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you should say what you feel, especially on this program.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can't lie.
		I never have ever done that to people.
		And in the last year, not just since 9-11, in the last two years, I've begun to get more frantic.
		And another thing that just ticks me off is people who don't believe that these crop circles are real.
		I mean, I know some of them are fake, but I do know that we're trying to be visited by outer space entities that are trying to give us help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Sylvia, there have been some crop circles that man could not possibly in a million years have done.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Never, never do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the people who listen to this program, and I've seen the photographs, one referenced by Linda just before you got on, they know it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they know it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And they take all their magnetic equipment, and I don't know what it is, but they take their magnetic equipment, and that stuff is radioactive.
		I mean, what are you talking about?
		People with, you know, little shoes on or little boards doing that in one night.
		Come on, how stupid is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is stupid.
		It's just plain stupid.
		It's not that.
		It's something else.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I think they're trying to get, I think this is some kind of a language.
		I think this is some kind of a symbol of where we're coming from.
		We're here to, you know, and let's face it, if they were really here to hurt us, if they could get here, they could wipe us out.
		I think, and to tell you the truth, and I'll go down as being nuts, I don't care, is that I think we were colonized by them in the first place.
		And you can imagine them looking down and saying, what the hell in the world happened to this group?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think we were colonized?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we were perhaps genetically manufactured.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that we were colonized like sort of the Lord of the Rings.
		I think we were put here not only from God or reincarnation, which I do believe, but I do believe this earth was colonized to be a testing ground to learn for God.
		And look at what we've done to this place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a mess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a real mess.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we murder our animals.
		We're doing all kinds of crazy things.
		Like I said, and I talk to scientists all the time.
		And when I went to Alaska, I mean, the glaciers are melting at an alarming rate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And the poles are melting.
		What do you think that's going to be?
		I mean, we're going to be flooded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I'm really, this kind of sings or says exactly what she was talking about.
		When you see the bird they're talking about through the gray, polluted skies, you'll know.
		Good morning.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Well, it's only going to be about an hour for an delay.
		Damn, your favorite river.
		So you can go out and ski just from a moment.
		One more river sonic going to take you probably a day.
		One more faceless brickyard on the shore.
		Yeah, it's only gonna be about an hour or so.
		They rip off all your mountains, boy.
		And that one last tired old eagle bites the sand.
		And all of that high and mighty scenery's gonna be leveled to the ground, boy.
		By a piece of a mindless strip mine's all planned.
		So listen to all my brothers when you hear the nightly sigh.
		And you see the wildest flying through the great polluted sky.
		There won't be no country music.
		There won't be no rock and roll.
		Cause when they take away our country, they'll take away our soul.
		Too long time.
		With no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the times to get better.
		I'm ready for the times to get better.
		I've got to tell you, I've been rapping my brain.
		Hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continued rain.
		Changes are coming, no doubt.
		It's been a long time with no peace of mind.
		And I'm ready for the time to get better.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no question about it.
		These are pretty dark words from Soviet Brown, who did not issue these kinds of words previously.
		And I don't know that I was ready for it, but here it is.
		And the trouble for me is that apparently before times get better, they're going to get a lot worse, assuming they will get better at all.
		And she's now joining a chorus of many others who are saying virtually the same thing.
		With regard then to things that would make us sick, ill, or possibly kill us, biological warfare or that directed back at us from Mother Nature, how afraid of all this should we be?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think we, you know, I don't want to sound like, you know, they say on television, you know, these alerts and then nobody has any solutions.
		I have said I think we just should really live our lives, keep our families close to us, learn as much as we can, you know, for this planet.
		And I, you know, not to, you know, belabor your commercial, but I do believe in that growth hormone.
		I think that that's been a great benefit to mankind.
		I mean, this human growth hormone, I have found myself has been marvelous.
		And I think another thing that we can do to keep our systems insulated is to be on protein.
		And I don't mean a big, fat, bloody meat diet.
		You know what I mean?
		I don't care if you eat anamami or tofu or whatever, as long as you keep your cells structured, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, obviously, keep your own immune system as strong as you can keep it against whatever might be coming.
		But still, the question is: how afraid should we be of what's coming?
		Biologically, whether it's remotely.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's fearsome much as looking at it as being, yes, it is fearsome, but I think I'd also look at it as a learning period, because I think that no time in history are we facing, you know, of course they talk about the Black Plague, you know, and all the other things that we've had happen in the Holocaust, but I think we're facing, you know, it's strange because how...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is not the greatest phone.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We broke up the phone company, and really, ever since then, Soviet's been downhill.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		And I've changed phone companies and everything, and I still get kind of rattly and goofy.
		But no, but I think that it really is.
		See, what I keep seeing is that, not to be unpleasant, but I see 50 years of just this dissension and all kinds of crazy things going on, biochemical warfare, and then retaliation.
		And then for the next 50 years, it will be peace.
		But how this all started was I had a host on a show ask me what I saw in 25 years.
		I told him in 50 years.
		And then I got to 100 years and it went blank on me.
		Now, two things could be operating art because I'm sensible and scientific enough that either that's the end of things or I can't see that far.
		I am more apt to believe that that's the end of time.
		I just don't believe we have any more things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The end of time.
		A listener, Johnny, in Marengo Valley, California, asks, in the past, Sylvia has said, and maybe you didn't, that the Mayan calendar may actually end in 2003, not 2012.
		Have you said that in the past?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I was quoting what Edgar Casey said.
		Edgar Casey said that.
		I said that there would be a change in the coastlines at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A change in the coastlines.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, you know, where California is, and then we're going to see some tremendous tidal waves, you know, that's going to erode the coastlines.
		And that's when we're going to see an awful lot of these.
		Japan is going to be almost wiped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An awful lot of people, like yourself, are predicting dire occurrences for the spring to the, you know, the middle of 2003.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you're joining those ranks.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I am.
		And that's the first time in the history of being in this business, I mean, 66 years, it's like even 50 years of predicting.
		I have never come out with these kind of data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Did this begin?
		How recent?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		How recent?
		Actually, started, actually, honestly, before 9-11, I started getting antsy about everything.
		I really started, and I thought, oh, come on, you know, don't get caught up in all this hubbub.
		And then when I began to sit down, like I was telling you earlier in the program, and sit down and start doing the predictions, I couldn't come up with anything that was that positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had others tell me that they've hit blank areas where they just cannot see anything past a certain area.
unidentified		And you think it could actually be that that's the end of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The end of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any concept or idea of how I mean, would that be for man, in the blink of an eye, all that is just suddenly just goes away?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that, you know, it's sort of like, you know, before we say, you know, there was a meteorite that dimmed out the sun and the no foliage grew and the dinosaurs.
		But I think it's more than that at this time.
		I think it's just man destroying man.
		And like I said, we're terrorists in our own country.
		I mean, look at, like I said to you earlier, look at what we've done to our own planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I think, here we go back to the crop circles.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that if anything, that these beings from outer space are trying to give us these warnings or some kind of symbols to point to something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, this is what we were talking about before you got on, Sylvia.
		If they're here, and if they're so powerful, then why write in crops for us, you know, indecipherable things.
		Beautiful, but indecipherable.
		We can't really as of yet detect the meaning.
		And so we can't act without understanding the meaning.
		And if they're that powerful, then why are they not assisting us with this catastrophic event immediately ahead, cosmologically?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think they would, too, but I think the way the world is, and I don't mean to be mean, but I think that if they landed on the, even in the White House lawn, probably somebody would shoot them.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think they're going to be able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'd be the wrong place, definitely.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think they're trying to approach us systematically, silently, and little at a time, because people, not all people, but some people are so ignorant that they wouldn't know if they did see a spaceship.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		They'd probably try to shoot it out of the sky rather than see what somebody had to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		many who think we shoot at them now in fact yes i think i think that that will be true some Not a great thing to do.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		The people that could, like I said, if they had power enough to get here, for God's sake, they certainly have the power to radiate the hell out of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at the very least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if they're so powerful, you know, of course, the question is, why not step in?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think there will be a time when they're going to make themselves known.
		I really believe, and here we go again, I think they walk among us.
		I really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe they're here now?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
		I really do.
		And I don't think they walk around with just great big eyes and skinny bodies and funny looking.
		You know, I mean, I think they, it's like the Mothman prophecies, if you've ever read that.
		You know, I mean, they had that show with Richard Gere that didn't even come close to what the book was.
		But I think that there's some that are short and tall and, you know, fat and thin, and they have to look like us.
		Otherwise, we'd say there's one.
		You know, I mean, come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that evil that there's really a devil?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, instead of asking you whether I think there's a God, I guess you obviously, you mentioned it earlier, do you think there's really a devil?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I believe that man has created his own evil.
		I think that rather than Lucifer and his band of legions, I think we have dark, let's say not color-wise, but inside, dark entities that separated from the very beginning that were just as bad.
		And we just happen to call them Lucifer and, you know, the band of, but I think we just have dark entities that are just irretrievable.
		This shows man's free will choice from the very time that he came from the divine sparkler that he separated from God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's an interesting question.
		It was posed in a religious newspaper, the Spirit Daily.
		They called it the question of the week.
		Can the devil and his evil spirits read our every thought?
		Now, I wonder how many of us in our lifetimes have said, you know, if I can just get this or just do this, I swear I'd make a deal with the devil.
		And they might not have said it out loud, but they might have thought it.
		And as perhaps God can hear our silent prayers, who's to say that the other entity, even if it's not an entity, but it's just sort of a force.
		A force, yes, thank you.
		That that force can't just as clearly hear your silent pleas and thoughts.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sure that that's true.
		But a good person, I don't know, would maybe say that, maybe in, but not really.
		Because, see, we've got to...
		You don't have to, for God's sake.
		I've never pushed anything down anybody's throat.
		I think that's horrible.
		But I think the chart reads, that we wrote our chart before we came in.
		You can't make a good entity bad.
		We can get discouraged.
		We can get despondent.
		We can get crazy at times, but you're not going to make a good white entity bad.
		A bad entity is a bad entity, and that's the way it is.
		You see what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to be careful about what you invite.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what you say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you don't stand in line to get on an airplane and joke about a bomb anymore at all, ever.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		And I do believe that thoughts are things.
		And we've all seen this happen.
		You don't have to be psyche.
		You start always being negative, always expecting the worst.
		And guess what happens?
		You bring it to you.
		Thoughts are things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how sure are you that all of what's happening right now or what you see in the next, say, 50 to 100 years is not being delivered to our doorstep by our own minds?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think everything in this reality is by our own minds.
		See, I've always said that this is the world of the unreality.
		You know, I think Plato said it better than anyone.
		We're nothing more than the shadows on the wall of the cave.
		But we can also distort the shadows.
		We are what we think.
		People used to say, tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are.
		I always say, tell me what you think, and I'll tell you what you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How sure of these predictions are you?
		And that's to ask more.
		I beg your pardon?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Deadly sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deadly sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many times with psychic predictions, there's always a qualifier, you know, that, well, so-and-so may happen or it could be.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't deal in that.
		You know, if I get on a road and I get on a, let's say, you know, a streak, no one can defer me.
		I'm just like a bulldog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're on a four-lane highway here.
		You're racing down the road.
		This is a big one.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I won't be deterred.
		You know, people can say, well, can you modify it?
		The same thing if I'm doing a reading for somebody, if I'm convinced that they, let's say, have a hot gallbladder, I'm not going to back up.
		I don't care if they say they don't have pain.
		I'm going to still nag them until I'm half-nuts or they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's look at that for a second.
		We're not going to do readings tonight, individual readings.
		I never do that on the air.
		But you've done so many of them, and in many cases, you have told people specific medical things that are wrong they didn't even know they had wrong.
		How many times has that turned into reality?
		In other words, somebody finally gets bugged enough to go to the doctor just to say, watch me prove her wrong.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, it sounds conceited, but thousands of times.
		I've even been able to be with somebody like you and tell you that somebody, in fact, I just did this the other day.
		This woman came in and somebody by the name, I said, who is Bill that's related to you?
		She said, that's my brother-in-law.
		And I said, he's got to go in because he's got an aorta that's ready to burst in his stomach.
		And she said, oh, don't be ridiculous.
		He just had a physical.
		But his wife, who believed in me, sent him into the doctor.
		And he said, if she hadn't said this, he would have been dead.
		So you see, that's what keeps me going day after day, hour after hour, is because if you don't get the hits and you don't help people and you don't save them, then what's the use of doing it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think you've been given this power?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know why.
		I know that God gave it to me, and I've always treated it as such.
		I think Sylvia has her own issues as we all do, but that part of me I know comes from God.
		It has nothing to do with Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why do you think it's been given to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, I'm enough of a scientific bent that I do, and this is absolutely validated, 300 years of psychic.
		So I have to believe that it's a genetic component part, and I do believe that I chose to do it.
		And between you and I, it hasn't always been the easiest.
		You know, people think it's glamorous.
		It hasn't always been the easiest road to take.
		I've heard people say, Oh, I'd love to be you in this world of psychic.
		I said, No, not necessarily.
		You wouldn't.
		You don't want to find that a child is dead and have to tell the parents and all that.
		No, that's not fun.
		That's horrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much do you hold back?
unidentified		I mean, in any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're with parents and the child that they have is going to die and you know that, you tell them?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I tell them.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I also search my mind and pray to God that there is some way that I can, if there's any way that there's a miracle, because I do believe in miracles, if there's a miracle possible, if there's any way that we could get them somewhere, whether it's males or somewhere, that there could be something that could be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be pretty hard stuff.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, the children have always been my priority, and that's the topic.
		But you know what's strange?
		I've always found that when I tell people, whether it's on television or whatever, that somebody is passed, it's the strangest thing in the world.
		It's almost like it's a relief.
		I hate that word closure, but at least they know.
		I don't think there's anything worse than a false hope for someone.
		You know, telling you everything's going to be all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When it's not.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		When it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's still some kind of gigantic burden.
		And if I were in your position, thank goodness I'm not, I would not want that talent.
		And I knew a child was going to die.
		I don't know that I could tell the parents.
		I don't know that I could do that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think people know me well enough that I've had people say to me on the phone, I'm calling you because I know that above all, you'll tell me the truth.
		And that's probably the greatest compliment and the greatest sorrow that I do have because I will tell the truth.
		And Montel always warms up his audience by saying, please, in the name of God, literally, don't ask her if you don't want to know because she'll tell you.
		So if you don't want to know, just shut up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So as it applies to our world situation right now, I guess it's better.
		My point of view is it's better to know than to not know.
		And if it's that close, I really would rather.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And then we can hold our families close together.
		I think out of all of this comes a spiritual awareness, the patriotism, the love of families, which we've lost.
		I remember when I was a child, we all grew up on the same block.
		We all loved each other.
		Somebody died.
		They brought food over.
		We don't see that anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will there be anything, Sylvia, that we'll see immediately prior to the end?
		I mean, will there be, like the snake rattle?
		Will there be warnings above and beyond even what we see right now?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I think it'll come, like our Lord said, like a thief in the night.
		I think it'll just come quietly.
		I think it'll just be boom.
		That's it.
		I don't think there's, I don't want to fly in the face of Christianity or some Christians.
		I don't think it's so much the rapture.
		I think it's the rapture.
		I think it's going to be the peaceful time.
		And I think then it'll just be over.
unidentified		it will be the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you realized all of this fairly recently, how long did you hold on to this before you began to make it public?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think as soon as I found out, or as soon as I began to pick it up, prior to September, and I began to pick it up, I think it was around June before 9-11 happened.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I put it out that very December.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you begin to test it yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, do you see that if it keeps coming back to you, is there some way internally that you can test these visions or these understandings?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I'll go over and over again.
		I'll go over and over them again.
		You know, is this just because I'm getting older?
		Was I depressed that day?
		Was it a bad time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Did I get too, was I overloaded with too much stuff?
		Do you see what I'm saying?
		I have to filter through all that stuff to find out that if it's valid for me.
		Because after all, I live in a human body.
		You know what I mean?
		Like I said, I have my own issues.
		So you have to separate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe that you have successfully done that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		I don't, see, I hate that word ego because the word ego, ego, taken from the Greek, means I am.
		I think my I am is totally out of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there, Sylvia.
		We'll be right back.
		Sylvia Brown is my guest.
		This, of course, is Coast to Coast A.M. Definitely in the nighttime.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		I've been where the eagle flies, rode his wings across all the skies, kissed the sun, touched the moon, but he left me much too soon, his ladybird.
		He left his ladybird.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh Lady Bird, come on down.
		Lady Bird, come on.
		Lady Bird, come on.
		Lady Bird, come on.
		Time of the year When the trees are crowned with leaves In the ocean took And the virgin year I'm dressed in ribbon sphere When I was called The breathless moon In the proven of the night The shadows of the trees appear And meets the lantern light
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've encouraged Soviet to another telephone so we might have a bit of an improvement for audio, and that's a good thing because what she's saying is that Soviet is certainly totally unprecedented.
		She's joining a group of other psychics, in fact, remote viewers, who are seeing walls beyond which they see nothing.
		Virtually concluding that one possibility is that time is ending.
		Pretty serious conclusion, indeed.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Stay right there.
		Once again, here is Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia?
		The end of time is a hard thing for most people to even contemplate.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To even think about.
		The end of time, the end of virtually.
		Everything.
		I mean, as I suppose most people believe in creation, the majority of the people in this country being Christian believe in creation, then this would be, in essence, the opposite of creation.
		It would be either the planned or the unplanned end of everything.
		Do you see the hand of the Creator in this end?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that this has always been the training ground, let's say, for us to come down into this, not to be negative, into this hellhole to learn for God.
		And then when that schematic is over, then it's over.
		And people that are really trying to come down and learn spiritually through all their lifetimes or whatever have learned.
		And then that's the end of this schematic.
		I'm sure we could go other places if we wanted to.
		You know, I'm sure that that's not the end of it, but at least we get to go to the other side and have a great time.
		That's not the end of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do we know about the other side?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you, since that is the apparent destination, it might be good for people to try and understand.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, for years and years, I listened to people and did, you know, studied astral projection and death and dying and also hypnosis therapy where you take people to the death.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, it was so amazing to me, I was psychoscientist, if you keep getting people from every faith that have gone through death experiences as well as astral experiences, and they all see the same topography, you really have got to start sitting up and taking notice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what kind of topography are we talking about?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about the topography that's exactly like this earth, except it's not screwed up.
		I mean, the dolphins swim free.
		You know, the strange thing about it is the architecture seems to be very Romanesque.
		There's a hall of wisdom, the hall of justice.
		People talk about beautiful meadows.
		They constantly talk about the colors that they can't even describe.
		And then, of course, the scientists came in and said, well, that's deprivation of oxygen.
		Well, it can't be if you're an astral projection.
		It can't be if you're lying there breathing and seeing it as a death experience.
		And everybody comes up with the same going to the Hall of Wisdom, the Hall of Records.
		They see people milling around.
		They see music halls, lecture halls.
		Everyone sees, whether they're Islamic or whether they're Buddhist or whatever, I've seen them all.
		And they all describe the same topography.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned that there will be changes in the California coastline.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live in California.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because of what you understand, what action will you take, if any, or if you're not going to take any, personally, why?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I would.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I would move my family down to what my spirit guides always talked about as a golden triangle, whether, you know, like Santa Fe, Arizona, around that area, you know, because she says in New Mexico, the Phoenix, that's the safe place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the safe place.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		She's always said that's the safe place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you will move.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I will move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea on a time frame?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I probably will move within the next maybe five, six years.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I probably will move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five or six years.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk a little bit about continuing to talk about death.
		What is predetermined death time?
		I don't know.
		For example, I'm not sure, Sylvia, that I would want to know when I'm going to die, but it is eminently possible to know exactly when you're going to die, is it not?
unidentified		Sure.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		See, the amazing thing is we all have five exit points.
		Now, you could say to me, why do we have five?
		But if I had seven, you'd say, why seven?
		I said the same thing.
		We all have five times at which we could go.
		But usually the final time is that's it.
		You know, it's like a near-death experience, and you decided not to go.
		But at the end of it, then you finally do go.
		I mean, that's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we don't even get as many as cats.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't get nine lines.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's a shame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We get five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you could go.
unidentified		These are predetermined times when it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		If you go back to the original, and I know people don't like to hear this, but you wrote your chart the same as you did when you were in college or whatever.
		You wrote your program.
		Of course, I've always wondered, and I don't drink or take drugs, but I always wondered if they had something over there that they gave me that I chose, all this stuff that I've chosen.
		But neither here nor there.
		Looking back on it in retrospect, I understand why I had the life that I lived or have lived.
		It's because it made me stronger.
		Having a mother that was kind of, you know, goofy or whatever, I learned, and because of that, because of her, I think I became a better mother.
		See, you can always turn a negative into a positive instead of walking around being whiny and crying about it all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had a hard childhood.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Very.
		But my grandmother, thank God, was a wonderful, because she was psychic and she was a wonderful mother figure to me.
		So I had my father who I adored and I had my grandmother, so I can't complain about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says here, toward the end of things, the veil that separates our world from the other side.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's thinning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been saying that one for a while now.
		The veil is thinning.
		And you're saying it will get toward the very end.
		It'll get so thin.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It will just almost like be able to walk across.
		Not to put in a commercial, but I think that's why my publisher wanted me to write the Spirit Guide book now because people are, you know, maybe it was always so, but people are coming out of the closet and say, look, I heard my guide.
		I saw this person at the foot of my bed.
		We never used to hear that before.
		Maybe it was always there, but people were afraid to say, but, boy, they're sure coming out with it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it will become so thin that people will begin to just walk across?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Walk right over the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like just sort of walking into a mirror.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		I'm writing a book also that has not only the other side, but ghosts, which has always been interesting to people because it always shows the survival of the spirit.
		And ghosts are, of course, not the best phenomena in the world because it means that somebody's trapped.
		But I think why the interest is always there is, oh my God, there is something that survives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it means, Sylvia?
		I do.
		You know, I have been absolutely fascinated by ghosts.
		Every time I get a really good ghost photograph, I've got another one up there tonight, a really good ghost photograph.
		I put them up on my website.
		Who knows?
		Some of them are real.
		Some of them are not real.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But some of them are real.
		I'm convinced of that.
		I've got a whole collection of them.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Art, that sounds really crazy, but I've talked to them.
		And you know where I've found the most is, strangely enough, and I've been all over the world, is the most that I've ever found is, strangely enough, in the British Isles.
		And I think I have somewhat of a scientific solution for that.
		Not only is an old country, but I think the atmosphere is so thick that electrically, because we're all electrical beings, are able to get in easier.
		Because when I went back to Dublin this year, I ran into two ghosts, and you talked to them over there, and they said, oh, yeah, that was Marian Wiggins, and she was, you know, a waitress here, and we see her all the time.
		Ho-hum.
		I mean, they don't pay any attention to it.
		They just realize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were talking about the topography of the other side a little while ago.
		Obviously, some spirits don't make it to that topography.
		They instead remain here.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they're not too thrilled about us occupying their residency.
		And so they bang around because, after all, they feel that we're occupying where they should live.
		And after all, you're the intruders in their life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea why this occurs or what process prevents them from going where they should?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It usually always is some kind of, and it's so fluky because I've seen people die traumatically and make it, and I've seen other people die traumatically and not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't seem that if they were religious, non-religious, it just seems to be a fluke.
		It's something that is unfinished, undone.
		And what I have found, this seems to be a thread that runs through it, is that there is an unresolved love affair or a mother with a child, it always has to do with love, somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is time either for a ghost or on the other side, does it have any relationship to what we think of as time?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		And that's why people constantly ask me if Aunt Martha or their husband misses them.
		No.
		And I could say without any doubt.
		Of course they don't.
		Because you see, to them, even if you're going to live into your 80s, which, by the way, whether you realize that or not, you will, Art.
		But to them, the people that have gone before you, it's like two days.
		It's like, I'll see you next week.
		I mean, it's no big deal to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You told me I'm going to live into my 80s?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty interesting.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're tough, Art, and you're also stubborn.
		And it's not negative.
		Did you ever notice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me read something to you, Sylvia.
		I recently picked up a, as an email was sent to me, I recently picked up a new primary care physician after two visits and exhaustive lab tests.
		My doctor said I was doing fairly well for my age.
		A little concerned about that comment.
		I couldn't resist asking him, do you think I'll live to be 80?
		He asked, well, do you smoke tobacco or drink beer?
		No, I said, never done either.
		Asked, do you eat ribeye steaks and barbecue ribs?
		No, I said.
		Heard that red meat is very unhealthy.
		Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, you know, like playing golf?
		He asked.
		No, I don't.
		Do you gamble?
		Ride fast cars?
		Fool around with sexy women?
		No, I said.
		Never done any of those things.
		So he looked at me hard and said, then what the hell do you want to live to be 80 for?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It'll just seem like 800.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've lived pretty hard, too, you know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't do any of those things either, and I come from a family of longevity.
		But, you know, and I'm hearing more and more people say to me, Sylvia, I can't wait to get to the other side, which is something that, you know, it seems like it would seem depressing to some of the listeners.
		But I think people are just worn out because, see, I've always believed this is where hell is.
		I don't believe there's some pit in the ground with somebody in a red suit and horns.
		I wish there were.
		At least we could pick them out.
		We wouldn't marry him or whatever.
		But, you know, Sheol was nothing more, that's where the church got the word from, was nothing more than a burning dumpster where it constantly burned outside of Jerusalem, and they made that into hell.
		They called it hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if there is not hell, then why by extension should we believe in heaven and a creator and the classic, you know, whatever?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, because, you see, this is hell.
		It goes very much along with Genesis.
		It's sort of like, even though it's sort of metaphorical, I've always believed, in other words, God's saying, unless you want to learn and go down and till the field and bury your children in sorrow, you're never going to learn.
		You're never going to eat from the tree of knowledge.
		So this is hell, purgatory, whatever.
		And then, of course, we ascend then to heaven when we get through.
		We go back home.
		We come down to this hell of a college or a bad camping trip, as I call it, and then we go back home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a bad camping trip.
		Most of us, except for these few who seem to be trapped.
		I don't know what other right word there is for it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are trapped.
		You're absolutely right.
		They're trapped in their own time warp.
		But if you stop and think about art from all the billions of people that have lived and died, we make such a big to-do about the people that are not, because, of course, it makes news, because there you go with the survival research.
		But think about all the billions of people that have gone that have made it.
		They make a big to-do about this small number of people.
		The majority of people make it.
		And even those people that don't, there was a famous case, very documented, of the lady in brown.
		She was probably the most photographed ghost in the history of England.
		And every day at 2.30, she came down the steps, and everybody photographed her.
		Well, one day she didn't come down, and everybody called and said, what the hell happened?
		I said, somebody got her.
		Somebody finally grabbed her and said, look, kid, get over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe Atlantis is coming back, don't you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
		I believe.
		Because we're in a polar tilt.
		So being in a polar tilt, you don't have to be psychic to figure out it's going to, you know, rise up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are not the first to talk about a polar tilt.
		So many of my guests lately have been saying it.
		So many of them have been saying it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think it was 30 years ago, and everybody said, you know, she's really a nice person, but she's not.
		In fact, it was validated, I guess, in about 1970 when I was on People Are Talking up here in Northern California.
		And I said, you know, we're in a polar tilt.
		I got letters saying, you know, we really like you.
		We think you're sweet, but you're crazy.
		But I thought then, look at our climate changes.
		Like I said, look at our glaciers melting.
		Of course, we're in a polar tilt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Atlantis, the Atlantis, will begin to show itself.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, it'll rise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying by 2023 and then completely there by 2026.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		We'll have to watch all the real estate agents go over there in 2020.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where will Atlantis begin to show itself again?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right in the Atlantean period.
		I mean, right in the Atlantic Ocean.
		It's just like Lemuria will show up in the Pacific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion did his map of the future, and both of those places reappear in roughly just the areas you talked about.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Jock Cousteau started seeing all kinds of things off of Bimini and Santorini and everything.
		And for some reason, I don't know why, but that got shut down like you won't believe.
		But, you know, anything that has to do with that, they shut it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not all shut down, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know about the city off the coast of Cuba, 2,200 feet below the ocean level.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heard about that?
		Well, that's awfully well documented.
		And so it would seem that something is 2,200 feet below sea level.
		Now, the original question would be how anything could get 2,200 feet down.
		The last ice age would only account for about 300 miles of ocean level, not 2,200 feet.
		That would be more years than man is known to have.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Well, not only that, but if we know, when I was in Alexandria, we know that Cleopatra's temple is submerged because, you see, it's been close enough in lifetime, and the archaeologists have found it.
		But let's say we had 5,000 or 6,000 years upon, beyond that, we'd say, oh, come on, she didn't have a temple there.
		But now, they know it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, I mean, you said that all may come to an end, Sylvia.
		Do you think that you do believe in reincarnation, don't you?
		Oh, absolutely.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I believe that God's an equal opportunity employer.
		He doesn't bring and give his wife in to be a...
		so we come back again and again yeah but i think that we're coming to a time when people That was another thing that started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold tight, Sylvia.
		Hold tight.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever wonder if it's all baloney?
		And I mean all baloney?
		I'll talk to you about that in a moment.
		I don't know if I really believe that, but I have dark, wondering thoughts about it.
		We'll talk with Sylvia Brown about it in a moment.
		What if it's all crap?
unidentified		music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just played what I consider to be a really beautiful song about reincarnation.
		And, you know, I tend myself to believe in that, and certainly in something more than we are now.
		I mean, people will say to you, look around you, God is everywhere in every detail, everything.
		It's so perfect.
		But then there's another argument, folks, and that is that it would have to be that way for us to have evolved and be here, for us to consider everything to be God all around us, maybe just ourselves fooling ourselves.
		In other words, yes, the leaves are perfect and they are so beautiful and the changing of the seasons and the snow and the rocks and the magnificence of everything that's on the earth that allows us to be here.
		But it has to be here for us to have evolved.
		And there's the amazing Randy and then there's Matthew Alper who I think convinced me that even if you go into the darkest part of the jungle where man has never been before and you find people have never been touched by man, modern man, they worship something.
		Absolutely.
		The sun, the earth, they worship something.
		They do sacrifices to stuff and all, you know, they all have some kind of belief.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's innate within man to always, it seems to be innate within man to love something or be holding it something that's greater than he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, problem is, though, Sylvia, that his contention is that the greatest fear man has, probably inaccurate one, is fear of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's not so much that.
		It's a fear of annihilation.
		It's a fear that I will no longer cease to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Exactly.
		All right.
		And because of that greatest fear of all, our brain in a protective mode automatically concocts the fact that it ain't so.
		So have you ever considered, Sylvia, the fact that it might all be crap?
		Ghosts, spirit world, the other side, God, heaven, hell, all of it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Never, never, never once, never even.
		Never?
		No, never.
		Because I just have known too much, seen too much.
		Just know it.
		I never.
		See, fate isn't really an exotic thing.
		But knowing is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Knowing is not.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
		When you have to have faith, then you just hope.
		But when you really, really get into it investigatively and you find, like I told you earlier, that all these people see the same things, that they experience the same things, that they see their angels, that they're now beginning to see their guide, that they see their loved ones more so than they ever did before.
		How can you discredit that?
		can't be some big imagination that's hit the world.
		And that's why I'm saying with all this dire stuff...
		Well, you know, you can't necessarily know that the salt vaccine was good until the sugar cube was put under your tongue either, and then it got rid of the illness.
		You see what I'm saying?
		The sugar cube by itself doesn't seem to be anything, but or the drops or the inoculations.
		But after a while, when it doesn't come anymore, you say, hey, you see what I mean?
		This has been Jonathan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it didn't come from the ether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It came from the mind of Jonah Saul.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but Jonas Salt was also infused by God.
		So I go beyond that.
		I think that Jonas Salt also wrote a great enough man to write it to the church that I will be the one that will be the infuser.
		I will be the one that will be infused with God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevertheless, within 50 or 100 years, it's over.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Over.
		But, you know, I'm finding more and more people out there to tell you that are saying to me, Tilly, I hope, and they never used to say this to me.
		I hope to put my last life down here.
		And strangely enough, I'm finding in the last 10 years, more and more people are having their last life here.
		And possibly that also goes towards the fact that there isn't that much time to get in more life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that might be.
		Might be.
		All right.
		There's so many.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful guides and loved ones that watch over us.
		I mean, you know, you can't discredit the fact when I was standing in a room with a woman that was dying, because I've seen so many deaths and dying, and she said, Ruth's here.
		And everybody in the family said, no, Ruth isn't here.
		She's in Colorado.
		And I'm telling you, Ruth is in, of course, the woman died.
		Two hours later, the phone rang, and they said, Ruth was dead.
		Now, how do you explain that?
		I mean, and I could give you story after story, thousands of stories, and make your hair stand up on end.
		I mean, after a while, you've got to say, hey, come on, something's going on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe, many believe, it's impossible for any sensible person to walk outside and look into the night sky and not believe there are others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There must be must be others.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		How egotistical to think we're this little tiny dinky dot at the end of the Milky Way and look up at this myriad of and say, hey, I'm the only light there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's sensible then to believe there are others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe they're going to show themselves, don't you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I believe they walk among us now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to make us en masse realize that they are here.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, I do think that with all of its dire predictions, I think there's going to be a marvelous harmonic convergence, which means nothing more than people coming to a great amount of spirituality and understanding of not only just what the other side is, but what life really meant.
		And that this school is closing.
		We've run out of funds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This school is closing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And that we're going to be able to go to the other side and go home because that's where home is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not here.
		Not here.
		Oh, no.
		So then you have no fear of death.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		god no That before all of this ends, before the end of time arrives, or whatever's ending, I guess time, that these others will arrive and they will show us other things that we have imagined, like anti-gravity.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		The anti-gravitational rods, which I'm convinced, and I talked to Dr. Zahi Hawaz, and he said to me privately, of course, here I am.
		He said, I would never say this openly, but I believe you.
		I said, come on.
		These stones didn't get here by any thousands of people.
		They were...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, slow down now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly did Zahi say to you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		He said to me that he didn't, he would never say this openly, but that he believed what I said, that there was anti-gravitational rods that actually lifted the stones up from Absolutely said that to me in his office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were in Egypt then.
unidentified		Oh, you were.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Zahi's a great friend of mine.
		He said, but he said, I can't, you know, say that, you know, because he said, I'd look stupid.
		But he said, you know, you can say it.
		I mean, I would never divulge it, you know, but I mean, over there he has to because he's a director of, you know, ancient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Antiquities, yes.
		Yeah.
		No, that's quite true.
		I never got that far myself with Zahi.
		He said, it is Greek mystery ought.
		That's what he said.
		But he never went quite that far.
		Some sort of rods that allowed the manipulation of gravity.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see, if you get him pinned down, he'll kind of do a blah, blah, blah with you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, he won't, if you pin him down, he just won't get into it that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you got him further pinned down than I did.
		That's amazing.
		And so then this technology is going to return to us probably shortly after 2010, the year 2010.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you believe there are people from Andromeda?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Andromeda, of course, relatively close.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that Andromeda is probably where we've been colonized the most.
		I'm sure we have Hempleiades and all that, but I think that most of the people that I've found or did regressions with, and those go into the thousands, keep mentioning Andromeda.
		So I think that makes sense, not only, like I said, from the distance factor, but that we did come.
		And every time I take someone into a path, not only in this life, but let's say to another planet, no planet seems to be as maniacal as this one.
		In fact, when I was a young girl in Missouri, my guide said to me, my spirit guide said, this is the insane asylum of the universe.
		And for a young Catholic Jewish girl, I thought, well, that's a mean thing to say.
		But after you grow up and you get older, you think, my God, this is there.
		Everything that you could ever even imagine or not imagine in horror goes on in this world.
		And that's not being negative.
		It's just the molestations, the kidnapping, the murders, the serials.
		I mean, it's things that man has never even thought of are going.
		It's cannibalism.
		I mean, it's just horrifying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		if there is this other side that i just uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		can send out on a little while ago who do the entities on that other side look like is there a way to put a of We're in a glorified body.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that goes very much along with Christ saying to Magdalene, don't touch me yet.
		I'm not of this earth.
		But he certainly looks real.
		We're glorified.
		In fact, when my guy said to me, I'm more real than you are, I thought, what the hell is that about?
		Because she said to me, you know, you're actually ghosts in our world.
		We're the real world.
		You're the world of the unreality.
		And, you know, when you touch yourself, you say, well, look, I'm molecularly solid for God's sake.
		But apparently, they are more solid and real than we are.
		And I think more than anything, as I get older, I realize that my molecular structure is not as solid as I would like it to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever?
		This comes from a listener, Mark, in Tucson, Arizona.
		Have you ever been concerned?
		Because there is the possibility, you know, that you have been deceived in some manner by some negative force, a demon even.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I've heard that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I've interviewed a lot of exorcists, and they say they are here.
		And, of course, there are warnings in the Bibles about those, in the Bible about those who would prophesize.
		And so that's something that has to have gone through your mind, at least.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I think that if you really, really are trying to do good and you love God and you're trying to do good for people, I don't choose to give too much attention to the devil.
		I think, in fact, we've made the devil too important.
		Why don't we just have a great big God and a little bitty devil?
		We've got so much of this falder-all about demonic possession and demons and all that.
		Let's, you know, and there we go again.
		What we think.
		Why don't we just look at God being a loving God who's given us a place to react and learn from and forget about somebody that's going to always be and how egotistical.
		I have a friend, which I won't mention because she's very fairly famous, thinks that the devil's always bothering her.
		And I said to her one day, who are you anyway, that you're so important that the devil would just want to bother you?
		Is there something else the devil would want to do if there is such a thing?
		I mean, that's kind of reverse ego, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess perhaps it is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm so important that the devil's just going to.
		And I don't blame people for, you know, I've read all 26 versions of the Bible, so I love people that quote Bible to me, whether it's Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
		Do not consort with seers and sorcerers.
		But it's funny that as you go down into the next chapter, it says, Joseph, you interpret dreams, come over here and interpret our dreams for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does, yes.
unidentified		It's true.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you get real crazy with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you thought that out and you've rationalized it that way.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		I think that's why I put myself through so much testing.
		In the beginning, my grandmother used to just rail at me.
		She said, what's wrong with you?
		I mean, you know, I had voices and I had visions, and I said, you know, I hear I was going to be a Catholic school teacher, and I put myself through all this testing, and my grandmother said, why don't you leave it alone?
		And I said, but grandmother, you know, grandma said, you know, we could be schizophrenic.
		And there could have been 300 years of it, and nobody figured it out.
		And I think that's why I was the only one out of the group that ever tested.
		I was tested by, you know, Dr. Beale, Dr. Blattner, Rennick, you name it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I realize there's been a whole lot of testing of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And no one in my family was tested.
		My uncle wasn't.
		My grandmother wasn't.
		Of course, in those days, what did they know about MMPIs or anything?
		They didn't know.
		But I wasn't about to put myself in a position of teaching kids if I was a lunatic running around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever questioned your own sanity through all this?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that when I was 18, I was very concerned about the fact because, you see, at that point, I was in Catholic college, and I was going to be a teacher.
		And, of course, you know, Catholicism is full of possession and all that stuff.
		And I thought, good Lord, I don't want to be teaching these kids and being goofy.
		So that's when I really went over to a Dr. Royal at University of Kansas City and really began to get into it, you know.
		And every report came back and said, Sylvia is very normal, in fact, extraordinarily normal, but she's got something very paranormal going on with her.
		And I've always said that of all the people in the world, I'm probably the most reluctant of, let's say, the medium-earth psychics, because any of my staff, which is huge, and my people, if I run it up the flagpole and it doesn't wave, it comes down.
		I don't believe in this very, very goofy stuff, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned a while ago ego.
		The remote viewers really struggle with that word and with their own ego to separate their own ego and their fantasy from what they perceive.
		That's the hardest, they say, to do of all, is to excise your own ego from what you see.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Would you agree with that?
		Yes, I think that's true in a different way.
		I don't think it's so much their own ego.
		I think they're dealing with that awful word imagination.
		I think that their egos are intact.
		They just don't want to get imaginary about it and get too fantasy-filled.
		I've never been worried about my ego so much.
		I know who Sylvia is, and I also know who God is.
		So, like I said, Sylvia, good Lord, has her own foibles and her own issues.
		But when it comes to what I'm doing, I truly, truly believe that that is a funnel from God.
		And it has nothing to do with my ego.
		Like I told you earlier, sometimes I rail against the fact, like you said to me earlier, why me?
		But then I guess maybe Palvarotti could say that or Picasso could say that.
		Do we never think of those people as having anything wrong?
		But you say, I can do this with my mind, which I think is part of the limbic brain and everybody gets all weirded out.
		But we don't do that with a great pianist.
		We don't do that with a great artist.
		We just say what comes from God.
		But you start working in the field that I'm working in and say, oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So as we can't, even our best scientists can't imagine what there was before the Big Bang.
		In other words, before there was time with what you said tonight, can we imagine what there will be when there is no more time, when time ends?
		Is it just as difficult to imagine the end of time as it is the moment we have?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think the world will still be in place.
		I think our time here will be over.
		But as far as we not being annihilated, we'll go on and go back home.
		And then maybe we'll start another learning schematic for God.
		Because I don't think that ever changes.
		The thought of being on a cloud with a harp would just be the most miserable thing I could ever think of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've never liked that either.
unidentified		Floating around on a cloud playing a harp all giving a break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd assume really that everything ended instead of having to play a harp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would just be.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right.
		That's nothing to me.
		But when you talk to people, they say, I'm into orientation, I've been to lecture halls, I've been to, you know.
		And here's another thing to address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want radios, Sylvia.
		Listen, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		We'll go to the phones when we get back.
		Try and close your eyes and go ahead and try and imagine it, if you can.
		The end of time?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Bien.
unidentified		Time, time, time.
		See what's become of me.
		Time, time, time.
		See what's become of me.
		While I look around.
		Squad
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, the thunder.
		All right, back to Sylvia Brown.
		We're going to go to the phone lines this hour, if that's all right, please.
		Sylvia, let people ask questions.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fine.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I did want to plug my book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plug away.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I have contact in your spirit guide, and it comes with a CD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what's on the CD?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		The CD is meditation to get a hold of your spirit guide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So, in other words, in the book, you explain it.
		In the CD, you provide it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You can explain how you get a hold of your spirit guide, what they look like, how you can get a hold of them, and then there is an accompanying CD with it.
unidentified		What will your spirit guide look like?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		They look like we do.
		I mean, mine is sort of Aztec-looking.
		Yours is dark-haired male with curly hair.
		I mean, we all have guides, and the chances of you and I being a guide to someone is about 100%.
		We do a roundabout.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they put us to work.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, they sort of protect us, you know, along with our angels.
		They sort of protect us.
		I love what Ruth Montgomery said.
		She said they were sort of the nudging spirits along the way.
		That's why you get these sort of mysterious tick-or-tape messages, put your seat belt on, which you should do anyway.
		Don't go down to this place, and then find out it was an accident or call someone and find out that they were sick.
		I mean, we think everything is a coincidence.
		It's not coincidence.
		We get messages from our guides all the time, and we just think it's our own mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your book is Contacting Your Spirit Guide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And contacting your spirit guide is a positive, good thing to do in this lifetime?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I think the more we can call on, it's like we talked about earlier, the harmonic conversions, call on the angels, the spirit guides, the loved ones.
		You know, who's to say we can't, with all this stuff that's going on, we can't raise the consciousness level of people.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that the meditation exercises in the CD will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pathway to doing that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely know it will, because it's like finding a place for them to come.
		You know, you make a place, it's like the field of dreams.
		You make a place and they'll come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you write this book?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Because everyone wanted to know what their spirit guide was, and if they had one, what their name was.
		And so I've always had my ear to the rail.
		Whatever anybody wants, that's why I wrote Life on the Other Side or the Other Side and Back.
		It's because after you've garnered all these years of information, you think, why do you want to keep it to yourself?
		Why don't you want to put it out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, you have considered and absolutely reject the concept that it could be all baloney.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Contacting your spirit guide.
		I assume Amazon.com, all the usual suspects, that kind of thing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's put out through Hay House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hay House, all right.
		Okay.
		We've got a link up, folks.
		If you would like to get to the book, we make it very easy for you on my website.
		Tonight's program, Guess Sylvia's Name.
		It'll be right there.
		All right.
		Let's go to the phones a little bit.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Hello, where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, my name is Sean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sean.
unidentified		And I'm in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way up north.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Now, I have to say right now, I'm like really nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, relax, take a deep breath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say what you want to say.
unidentified		Well, Sylvia, you're an awesome woman.
		You've changed my life so much.
		You've helped me with God.
		And actually, there's a point in my life where I didn't believe in God.
		And you kind of brought that faith back.
		Oh, I'm so glad.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's people like you that keep me going.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't keep going.
unidentified		Well, thanks for choosing to come down in this life and doing all the crazy ass stuff that you did.
		That's true.
		But I called.
		My main purpose was about my guides.
		I've been doing meditation.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You have a very, very, very strong guide by the name of Samuel.
		Yes.
		And he's with you all the time.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		How many guides do I have?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You have one guide and four angels.
		So you're pretty loaded.
		And that also gives me a very good indication that you are really rising above everything and becoming more spiritual.
		Because isn't that what our Lord said?
		That's what the Gnostic belief is that I have, is everybody seeks after their own truth.
		If you seek, you'll find.
		If you knock, it'll be opened unto you.
unidentified		Well, just like your book that's coming out here about contacting your spirit guide, two months ago, I've just started doing meditations on contacting my spirit guide.
		Yes.
		And I've actually felt that I was contacted by my spirit guide that.
		And ever since then, I've been hearing these little voices in My head.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		See, all you have to do, that's what Art and I were talking about earlier.
		The veil is thinning.
		All you have to do is just sort of reach your hand through and they'll grab it.
		You see what I'm saying?
		That's all you have to do is just put your finger out and they'll grab it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, all of this then, Sylvia, is the beginning of the end.
		As the veil thins, we're moving toward that end of time.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's a process that will culminate at that moment or the end of time.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I think we're going to have all these wonderful legions of angels and God and our guides are going to be there to help us.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		So it's not going to be one of these horrible, you know, nightmarish blow you up and have the devils come and get you and eat you or whatever the hell it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, what about all these bad people?
		Boy, there's a lot of bad people around right now, Sylvia.
		Surely they're not going to be joining us.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, they won't.
		They go in what I call the left door.
		They have to keep recycling.
		And then eventually, God and his merciful wisdom, because I've always believed in a loving God.
		How can we have a mean, hateful God and then a mean, hateful, vengeful God?
		That doesn't even make sense.
		That's against reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that never made sense to me either.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
		What I am told and what I really believe is that if these people are not rehabilitated, then they're just absorbed back into the uncreated mass.
		In other words, you and I will keep our individuality, but they won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Cardwine, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Good morning, Art and Sylvia.
		Good morning.
		I'd first like to congratulate you and wish you well on your upcoming retirement and tell you to keep that skull and crossbones handy.
		Thank you.
		Sylvia, this is Derek Law in Muscogee, Oklahoma, and I've got a couple of questions.
		I'll take my answers off the air.
		What do you see for the state of Wyoming in the upcoming mess and the peace to follow?
		And how does the person contact you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wyoming.
		Do you see anything specific for Wyoming?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Not necessarily.
		Not any more than anything else.
		I think Wyoming, if you're asking me if Wyoming is safe, yes, it is safe.
		But I also think that we're going to have an, I don't know why, but a lot of dissension that comes out of Wyoming.
		I think there's little pockets of dissension that are in Wyoming.
		Why I say that, I don't know.
		Only psychically that I say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there's quite a few states here in the West where there's plenty of dissension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's here in Nevada, it's in Idaho.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're kind of like little, I don't want to call them telebonds, but there's sort of like these little dissenting groups that are hold-up places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not telebonds.
		Okay.
		Also, how to contact you.
		He wanted to know how to contact you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can just get on sylvia.org.
		I mean, that's as simple as it is.
		Sylvia.org is my website.
		You can find out all the information about me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia.org.
		Okay, well, that's easy.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, say hi, Art.
unidentified		Sylvia, I don't know if you remember me or not, but in 1995, we were on a program called The Other Side Together.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do remember that with Ron Ziskin Four Point, yes.
unidentified		Well, see, what happened was there was a fire in my neighborhood, and I was able to save a little five-year-old boy from the fire.
		His name was Chris.
		And anyhow, I wasn't able to get his three-year-old brother Bubba out.
		His name was Gerald.
		And it was just kind of a bad thing.
		We were on National TV together on the program called The Other Side on.
		The program called The Real Life Angels.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, with Will.
unidentified		And ever since that, I've felt so guilty about not getting that little guy out.
unidentified		And I just hope I've been wanting to get a hold of you for so long.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But honey, you weren't meant to.
unidentified		Just tell him I'm sorry, okay?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But honey, he knows that.
		Don't you know that I keep saying the veil is thin?
		They hear you.
		You know that.
		They hear you.
		They're all around you.
unidentified		See, everybody wanted to congratulate me for getting the five-year-old out there.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know, and then you went back and were upset about the three-year-old.
		But you've got to realize in God's time, the three-year-old went back to God.
		That's it.
unidentified		You were such a help to his mother.
		I mean, I remember you told her that he still likes to touch her face and stuff, you know, quiet times and stuff like that.
		You're such an inspiration to me.
		And I tell you, what a classy lady.
		You are so classy, and I believe in everything you say.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		God bless you.
unidentified		And Art, I just, you know, we love you too, and we're going to miss you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're all Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for calling, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		So, you know, I wonder, Sylvia, I understand that in many cases you're telling people what they want to hear, even what they desperately want to believe.
		When you tell a mother that her dead child still touches her face, I know, but you're telling people what they want to hear.
		You're an expert in hypnosis.
		Haven't you ever been concerned, Sylvia, about the things that you say yourself?
		I mean, I know that you feel them, and I know you believe them to be true, but don't you ever worry about all this yourself?
		Or are you so confident, so sure that you're right, so sure all of this is true?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so sure down to the very essence of my soul.
		I couldn't live with myself.
		I don't think I would have lived all these years.
		I would have eaten myself alive with something, Arn.
		I don't think you can not be true to yourself.
		You'd be a lunatic picking up tinfoil and string if you did that.
		You couldn't fool yourself like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose you might be.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Sylvia Brown.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Very nice to be on the show, Art.
		Thank you for having me.
		Where are you?
		I'm in California.
		My name's John.
		Sylvia, how are you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Terrific.
		Glad to hear it.
		I have kind of a situation I can't explain that happened to me.
		I'll try to be brief.
		For about six or so months, I would see the number on clocks, digital clocks, 11-11.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very common, actually.
unidentified		Yes, and I've actually seen this happen or read on the internet that it occurs a lot.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I see it 7-11 every time I look at it.
		Now, interesting enough in numerology, because I've been in this business for so many years, 11 and 7, especially 11, is always a spiritual number.
		Now, why it is, I don't know, but numerologists tell me that it's always spiritual.
unidentified		Well, let me, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but let me finish here because it actually leads up to something for about six to eight months.
		I was seeing it so frequently that I told family members, I mean, you know, I would see it leading up to noon.
		I would see it coming up to midnight.
		Sometimes I would walk from one room to another and see it like four times in one day.
		This would happen so much until the day after September 11th, my grandfather, after I saw 11-11, died in my arms.
		Oh.
		Now, you know, that's not a huge traumatic event at this point, but I was wondering, could you explain that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You were getting a precognitive signal.
		But see, here we go again.
		Death is a spiritual experience.
		So you were getting a spiritual experience.
		What is more spiritual than going back home?
unidentified		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And what you were doing was doing a precognitive thing.
unidentified		It was a spiritual experience.
unidentified		And since I haven't seen it at all.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
		It's like I do.
		It's like knowing something that you know before you know it.
unidentified		It was really weird.
		But for at least six months, it led up to that, and I was very surprised to see it.
		And he actually died about 20 minutes after I saw it.
		So it was very weird.
		And I know you guys are probably pressed for time, so I wanted to fit this last thing in here.
		There's a verse in Genesis, chapter 49, verse 10, and I was wondering if prophecy towards a supposed Messiah.
		And it goes like this.
		The skeptic shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes.
		And unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
		Could you shed some light on that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Shiloh has always been interpreted.
		See, if you really want to get what the Bible is about, you should really get Loms' interpretation because he took it directly from the Aramaic more than Greek or Latin.
		But it just means that it's a gathering of souls that are in, like we were talking about, a harmonic convergence.
		It could be any name.
		It could have been Benedict, Shiloh, whoever.
		It means that people are coming together, and then that will be the end of this earth as we know it.
unidentified		I mean, the people of this earth as we know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time caller line toward the bottom of the hour here.
		Don't have a lot of time.
		You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name is Frasier.
		I'm in Arizona.
		Okay.
		And well, I just wanted to say to Sylvia, I've been listening for about two hours here, and been trying to get through for about an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of time.
unidentified		I'm sorry, Art.
		I just wanted to let you know I do really like your show.
		I've been living for about three years.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just wanted to say I really do agree with everything that you've been saying about God and everything.
		I've always really had an inclination to believe these things that you've said, you know, about God being everywhere, omnipresent, omniscient, whatnot.
		And I had a question just about there is something in Genesis.
		I don't know if you've heard of the Nethilem in Genesis.
		For a few years I had a newsletter I got a newsletter from a man named Charles Missler who is fallen angels here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the question?
unidentified		I just wanted to know maybe how he what you might think about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About fallen angels?
unidentified		No, not necessarily that.
unidentified		This guy that I have received a few newsletters from, I had a subscription to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ten seconds.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the question is.
unidentified		No, nor do I. I'm trying to get it out, but there's so little time.
		Yeah, well, I'm really enjoying your program tonight.
		All right, well, I'm going to get on to the other callers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you enjoyed it.
		We've got to get on to the bottom of the hour, actually.
		You are, of course, Sylvia, aware of Nephilim, right?
		Correct, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are aware of Nephilim.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think God once washed the earth clean because of their presence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that so?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if this 50 years or so from now, or 100 years, whenever this blank time comes, is another wash.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's clean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Sylvia.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That poor fellow couldn't quite get his question out, but he did get out the issue of the Nephilim.
		And, you know, when you think about it, in an instant, God did change it all, didn't he?
		He saw what he saw, and it wasn't good, and he didn't like the mix.
		And in essence, for all, at that instant, at that moment, time came to an end.
		All right, for a final segment, here once again is Sylvia Brown.
		Is there anything, Sylvia, that we should have covered tonight that we've somehow missed?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I just was, you know, interested in about my book, but other than that, no.
		I think we've done a marvelous job, and I'm so sorry that you are.
		Well, I'm not sorry.
		I mean, I'm sorry for the people that you're retiring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the show will go on, as they say.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, I do want to say this to you, that I hope that wherever you go, that your angels and your guides carry you wherever you want to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hope so, too.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But I do know that you're going to be doing a lot of writing, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's actually quite probable.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, it's absolute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of things that are quite probable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing is as it seems, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, it never is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I do know that you're going to be putting out some marvelous books and maybe even a newsletter or something, but there's a lot of writing that's coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, back to the lines then.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay, you were talking about the rainforest.
		Do you know that we're pumping 75 million barrels of oil a day out of the Earth's crust?
		75 million barrels.
		If you stood them side by side, they would go right around the circumference of the Earth.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		One day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your question?
unidentified		Well, what do you think of that?
unidentified		I mean, do you think they're having any effect on the Earth's crust?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So, in other words, yeah, that is a lot.
		75 million barrels of oil.
		That's a lot of oil.
		So that could indeed have an actual effect on the Earth, could it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it does.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It contaminates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we pull it up out of the Earth and then we put it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, we put it into the atmosphere as well.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and not only that, but you know what it does in the ocean.
		Look what it does.
		When it's let loose in the ocean, the oil, look what it does.
		It kills all the wildlife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Very nice to be talking to you right now.
unidentified		I've got two quick questions for you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		One is, is it possible to come back, like reincarnate, as the same exact physical person?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not the exact, I mean, you're your own essence.
		You know what I mean?
		You always will stay who you are.
		You might come back shorter, taller, thinner, whatever, but you are the same essence.
		You don't change essence.
		The only thing is that you change, you just change knowledge.
unidentified		You just keep gaining your knowledge for God.
		Okay, and my other question is, I was supposed to be a twin, but my twin was a miscarriage at a later time.
		And I was wondering if he or she is here now.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's a she comes around you a lot.
		Yes, just decided not to come in.
		I think Elvis always had that too, you know.
		He always had this feeling that he was sort of lopsided because he didn't have his twin with him.
unidentified		I can't believe you just said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		I'm the hugest Elvis fan.
		I've read a lot about what I knew exactly about that, actually.
		He had a twin that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You didn't come in with him.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm a big Elvis fan, too.
		That's amazing.
		Anything else, sir?
unidentified		Sylvia, I love what you do to people.
		You're a huge inspiration.
		I hope you don't even know what to say.
		I love what you do.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep doing it, I guess, would be the rest.
		Thank you very much, Dee.
		Thank you for calling.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
		I just want to say I didn't believe in any of the things that you do until from anyone.
		I didn't see you.
		I saw you first time two or three years on a TV show and the black gentleman show.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Muntel.
unidentified		That's it.
		Well, I didn't know whether I could mention him or not.
		Oh, thank you.
		And I said, wow, you know, I don't know all these other people.
		And you just had me transfixed.
		And I said, if anybody's got it, you have it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you, my dear.
unidentified		And I want to talk to you about spirit guides.
		You talk about spirit guides.
		Can a spirit guide be an animal?
		And let me say that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, let me tell you.
		An animal very much like the American Indian.
		Each one of us also has a totem, and we could get into that too.
		We do have a spirit animal, but that's not the spirit guide.
unidentified		Okay, because I have other people have seen it around me, the panther.
		And I know I'm 53, and I know all my life I've been very healthy till the last year or two.
		But anyone that's ever sent evil or harm to me or mine, something's always happened to them.
		And I was told that this is a spirit guide goes out and takes up for me and mine.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they do.
		They protect you.
		And they do.
		And I think the more we protect ourselves with our guides and the white light of the Holy Spirit, the God consciousness and Christ consciousness center, the better off we're going to be.
		That's the only thing that's going to save us.
unidentified		Sylvia, this is a big thrill for me.
		I mean, I'm telling you because I've been skeptical all my life.
		You know, I'm somewhat agnostic, and I'd be a complete atheist, but they don't have any holidays.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, they still have much fun.
unidentified		But God love you too, and, you know, Godspeed in your journeys after the 31st.
		I've been listening to you.
		When I could find you since 1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For a while, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, when I could find you back then, you know.
unidentified		And what can I say, my man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Thank you so much.
		You said it.
		You take care, my friend.
		See you later.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Welsh to the Rockies.
		Are you there?
		Last chance.
		Blown.
		First time caller line.
		Hello there.
		First time caller line.
		You're on there with Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		Yes.
		Good morning, Art, and good morning, Sylvia.
		First, Art, I want to say I love you, and I'm going to miss you terribly.
		Thank you.
		And Sylvia, I want to say that there are no such thing as coincidences.
		I saw on the website that you were going to be on the radio tonight, and I've been trying for, I think, about two years to call you to tell you how you've changed my life.
		I went to one of your salons, and you told me that, I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.
		Deep breath, okay.
		And you told me that I'm a nurse, and you told me that I wasn't finished with my nursing education, that I was going to become a holistic nurse.
		And I am.
		I am now.
		I did.
		I went to school.
		I became a holistic nurse.
		But my question for you is, I'm now working in hospice care.
		Right.
		And I love it because I get to see it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's wonderful.
		Because isn't there anything more gratifying than that?
		Nothing.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		I mean, I get to see the face of God every day.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Because I walk these people to the door.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It's wonderful.
		It's wondrous.
		People that have never done it don't know what they're missing.
unidentified		Oh, it's just, I'm truly, truly blessed.
		And I want to, a lot of the credit goes to Adam.
		A lot of the credit goes to both of you because, Art, you have so raised my awareness with your show.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think you miss everybody.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		But Sylvia, my one question is, I have this one patient now that I'm trying to help cross.
		And she's having such a hard time.
		And I guess you can see that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		One week, honey.
unidentified		One week.
		Today is the anniversary of her baby son's death.
		He died 44 years ago.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one week, honey.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there you have it.
		One week.
		Boy, you just lay that out, don't you?
		some people seem to cross so easily even sometimes unexpectedly and others have it's such a Yes.
		And that's all the way it's supposed to go for you?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		But you know what's amazing, Art, is all the people that I've found that have been in past lives that died, they didn't remember their death.
		I tell you what they did remember is how horrible it was coming in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Well, is this Wildcard Line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Hi, this is Julie from Santa Fe.
		What an honor it is to talk to you tonight, Sylvia.
		I have a quick question for you.
		I read one of your books on deja vu and what deja vu meant.
		And my question for you is, why is my deja vu always negative?
		It always forewarns me of bad things to come.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, it can be seen before seeing.
		But pay attention to that.
		Because, see, I think you're getting this deja vu that's negative, but then ask God to take you further and see if you can't prevent it or help.
		If that were the case, I wouldn't have been able to tell Kent Herkinrath not to get on the plane out of Chicago so he didn't go down in flames.
		I mean, sometimes it's a warning that you should open your mouth and tell people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This is revolved around death, death of a loved one or a friend or somebody that I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but see if you can't help because you're given this for a reason.
		And there's nothing to say that psychics or the psychic insight in deja vu isn't also protective.
		I mean, if I saw art or you or somebody getting on a plane that I saw crashing, can you believe that I'm going to tell you to do it?
		I'm going to say, don't you dare get on the plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The biggest troubles I've had in my life, Sophia, have come when I've ignored.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the warnings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and I mean big time.
		I know when I'm doing it that I shouldn't be doing it, and I just know it's a poor outcome.
		And I know that, and I go ahead anyway, and every damn time.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You could just kick yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've learned to listen.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to that gut-level feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More carefully, that's right.
		Call it deju, call it whatever you want.
		I think we all have it to some degree.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We just have to learn to listen.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's too easy to ignore and sort of blow it off.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Sylvia Brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Oh, not a whole lot.
		Good evening.
		Good morning, Sylvia.
		Yeah.
		We watch you all the time on the Montel Show.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's very nice.
unidentified		How we actually found out about you and we were talking about it earlier about how I'm always skeptic of people being able to say, predict the future and this, that, and the other.
		And then I heard you on the Montel show several years ago.
		And you were telling your story.
		It was one of the first shows that you did with him.
		How you were helping out law enforcement and this sort of thing, doing things with them.
		And I'm like, hey, you know what?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		This lady's got it right here.
unidentified		We can believe this one, I think.
		Unfortunately, you're not doing any personal readings tonight, but I have something else that I wanted to ask you about.
		And that is, you were talking about earlier about angel spirits, I guess.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Spirit guides.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Can you tell me how I would get in contact with a Spirit God?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's her new book.
		That's the CD.
		That's what it's all about.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Contacting your Spirit Guide.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And it's not a big book, but it also has a CD with it, and it shows you exactly how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when you have contacted your Spirit Guide, Sylvia, what advantage to you is what comes to you as a result of that contact?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it just makes your whole psychic ability better.
		It just makes you know that there is this companion along the way that is there for you.
		I think it just shows you that God doesn't leave you down here also on a wider scale, that you're not alone in this world, that God does send his minions of angels and guides, and they are here to nudge you along the way.
		It's just like you were saying earlier, the thing that you had a gut-level feeling.
		I know for a fact that it was your guide.
		You may think it's just, it could be part of your psychic ability, too, but it's also your guide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, that's possible.
		It's certainly possible.
		I mean, the voice comes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Like, don't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Don't do that.
		It's exactly right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yeah, this is Brad, Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brad.
unidentified		Hi.
		Sylvia, I love you.
		And Art, I love you too, and I'll miss you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I had three real quick questions.
		Sylvia, I feel I've been given a gift, and I've done the best I can from God to work with it.
		And I want to know if it's real and if I can pursue it a little further.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it's real, but listen to me.
		The one thing you have to do, and this is for all the listeners, is for God's sake, validate it.
		Don't just go out on a limb with no view.
		Validate it.
		In other words, what you say, then try to validate it.
		Every reading I do, I say to people, write me back, talk to me, tell me, email me.
		Anybody can give out anything, but you want to be validated.
		So validate yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do that?
		I mean, you follow through.
		You test yourself.
		You let others.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		When I send a tape with someone, I usually send a form.
		You know, was she right?
		Was she wrong?
		Where was she right?
		Where was she wrong?
		You know, in other words, you don't have any perspectives then of, you know, just spewing out anything.
		Anybody can spew out anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they can.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Then you're Miss Cleo, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of that which you have kept track of With regard to your own validation, is there any way to quantify how you've done?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I run between about 85 to 90%.
		We run it through the statistical thing.
		I don't know how they do it, but they do it on the computers.
		And I run about 85 to 90%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's awfully good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Awfully good.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you better be because the whole kid is only as good as your last reading, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		That's right.
		Or your last show, whatever.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line are on there with Sylvia Brown.
		Not a lot of time.
		Hi there.
unidentified		All right, Sylvia.
		Good morning.
		I just wanted to ask quickly, I'm a remote viewing student.
		I'm a student of Ed James, as a matter of fact.
		Okay.
		And I wanted to ask Sylvia how she feels, because this is what I'm going to do with remote viewing.
		I plan to use it for personal gain, use remote viewing to find winners and horse races and stuff like that.
		I wanted to ask her how she feels about using skills like these for personal gain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine, it's a good straight-out question.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, you know, I don't think it's wrong, but I always have felt that it's never been for us.
		I've always felt because if that was the case, we'd all go and win the lotto and all that.
		If you're going to do it that way, then make sure that you give, that you parcel it out to other people.
		Because what I've always said to them, if you do do it, for God's sake, it's need money.
		What you get, you've got to also give out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you've got to give back if you're really happy.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		That's why I employ so many people.
		I don't believe that you can just.
		And I really am.
		Maybe I'm stupid about this, but I just don't think you can take the money and run.
		I just don't think it's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, again, your book.
		I do want to mention to everybody your book, which is right down the alley of what people have been asking about tonight, Contacting Your Spirit Guide.
		Available probably everywhere.
		So if people really want to know how to do it, then you not only get the book, but you get a C D with the concentration exercises.
		Is that fair?
		Yes, it's fair.
		That allow you to contact your Spirit Guy to get the job done, right?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, dear lady, it's been a pleasure interviewing you over all these years.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know, and I'm going to miss you, too.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But keep in touch with me, Arts and Cut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I will, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, dear lady.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And God bless you and keep you always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		All right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since we mentioned him, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a way to go out.
unidentified		Very old friends.
		In my day.
		Cause he was better than everyone.
		Oh, that he just found every name.
		of his latest friend I heard him say that he had a wife.
		Every domain.
		Have you ever listened to the words of this song?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something different about it.
		Presently did a lot of stuff.
		This song.
		There's something different about it.
		Listen, everybody.
		Don't forget about the big CD offer at Artbell.com.
unidentified		It's well worth the going and the grabbing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been a great night.
		Tomorrow night, he was just mentioned.
		Tomorrow night we're going to have Major Ed Dames here with his final appearance before I retire.
		For this night, though, from the High Desert, that's it.

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