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Dec. 5, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Study of Extraterrestial Intelligence - Dr. Steven Greer

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the hi desert and the great American Southwest video, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all the world's time zones, and we do cover them all.
unidentified		This is Post 12 AM and I'm Mark Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome all.
		Here's what I want to do tonight.
		I'm going to lay it out pretty quickly.
		I'm going to be opening all of my phone lines only for one thing in my first hour.
		I want to talk only to people who have had actual physical contact with alien entities.
		With alien beings.
unidentified		But there's probably for any other reason these won't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm going to tell you why I'm going to do that.
		Because tonight and tomorrow night, we're going to have a couple of really interesting guests.
		Who are they?
		Dr. Stephen Greer tonight, who is a...
		He's a very serious man, Dr. Stephen Greer of CSETI.
		And he strongly, strongly takes the position that we are being visited ongoing and that we are shooting at them and it's a very poor idea because really they're not here to do us harm.
		Now, tomorrow night, you're going to get the opposite point of view.
		He is one of the very few in ufology who takes this point of view, but he does, and I actually may lean toward it.
		I think that I lean toward it.
		He is Dr. David Jacobs, and along with everything else he's written, including a new book, he has written a book called The Threat.
		And The Threat basically graphically gives examples of things that were done that weren't at all friendly and does not necessarily think they have good intentions toward us at all.
		So these are two very divergent points of view that you're going to get tonight and tomorrow night.
		And I thought, who better to ask than those of you who have had actual contact with alien beings?
		Actual, listen to my words, actual physical contact with alien beings.
		You would know more than anybody about whether we should be out there welcoming the visitors with open arms and signs and, you know, the whole ball of wax and that they will come and solve our energy problems because they've got the technology and they would have.
		You've got to think about that to do it.
		But they haven't stepped forward yet.
		I mean, we're still using the oil, right?
		That'll be, you know, some of what you're going to hear from Dr. Greer this night.
		And then, of course, something very different from Dr. Jacobs.
unidentified		So I thought, let's open the lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's open the lines for those who claim to have had actual physical contact with alien beings and get a sort of a sense from you who've been there, since most of us have not, about whether you think they're benign,
		really good guys at heart, or whatever it is that pumps their juice around, or whether they've got the devil in them, so to speak, and we should not be welcoming them because we're welcoming our own doom.
		So if you've had actual physical contact with an alien being, then pick any of the phone numbers and call it.
		Otherwise, sit back and listen.
		And then in the second hour, Dr. Greer, just one little note.
		We put up a ghost photograph last night, and I was trying to be as respectful as possible from Leonard L. in Hoboken, New Jersey of his father.
		And I said last night, looking at the photograph, it's the second photograph down, ghost photograph down.
		It's evil.
		I'm sorry, but I said it last night with apologies to Leonard.
		I thought it was absolutely evil.
		I'm sorry to say it's very clear to see this evil face in this stairwell in an apparently place where it's being remodeled.
		Well, guess what?
		Leonard tonight sent another photograph, same stairwell, but a picture of his mother, not nearly so well-defined, but a physical entity it's possible to discern nevertheless, or one in transition.
		Anyway, here's what Leonard wrote when he supplied the second photograph.
		Here's a picture we took last week.
		This is what you'll see on the website, artbill.com.
		We're getting the house ready for sale, as I said, and now mom shows up in the same staircase that dad showed up in.
		See below, and he supplies a picture.
		When we took the remodeling pictures in 1995, she passed away three weeks ago.
		The picture was taken four days ago.
		I had second prints made and had them scan it for me so I could send it to the program.
		I heard the show last night.
		I thought I would send you a picture of mom right away.
		I wanted to make sure Keith would have time to post it before the website goes down for good.
		Also, I know the picture of my father's ghost is, his words now, a little more than grumpy.
		You can read this on the website.
		Continuing the quote, he was not a nice man in real life, but you can't choose your father.
		So I remember him as best I can in a good light.
		Truth be told, He was an evil man.
		I forgot to mention to Keith that my sisters and I feel the reason they show up here in the staircase is because of the fact that in the early 60s, before I and my sisters were born, my mother had a child from a previous marriage that lived with her and dad who was killed in an accident falling down the stairs.
		Mom never liked to talk about it much.
		Dad was, get this, folks, dad was at the top of the stairs when he fell.
		Maybe mom knew the truth all those years.
		He was an evil man, by the way.
		I personally took both these photographs.
		Never ghostly an image was visible when I snapped the camera.
		These things only happen on the film.
		They only seem to happen here at the staircase.
		None of the other pictures we've ever taken of the house show anything like this.
		Now, this letter and more and both photographs are on my website, artbell.com, under first item under what's new.
		I thought you should see that for sure.
		In the meantime, I'm going to go fishing on the phones early.
		We're going to open these lines up right away, and I'm going to sort of blow off.
		Well, there is one thing.
		Headlining millions, actually 1.6 million homes in the Carolinas, that's where my mom lives, are without electricity.
		1.6 million homes in the Carolinas.
		The worst ice they've seen in they don't know how long in the Carolinas.
		At least 22 dead are blamed on this storm.
		At the same time, here, look, I get an email from Anchorage, Alaska, Elda in Anchorage, who says, Art, I was watching TV news about the weather back east, all the snow and the rest of it.
		You know, I've been enjoying spring here in the Anchorage area.
		We've had the warmest November on record.
		The grass is still green, and we're having record-breaking warm temperatures.
		We've had a few traces of snow earlier in the fall, but not a since.
		There is no snow in the forecast for the next five days.
		Gee, what strange weather.
		That's from Anchorage, Alaska, while the power lines fall in the Carolinas.
		Yes, indeed.
		Strange weather, indeed.
		All right, so we're going to go a fishing here, and we're going to see if any of you out there are willing, for the sake of trying to find out whether we're dealing with friendly beings or with beings that actually, in the long run, wish us ill.
		And frankly, you know, I've become a little convinced that that is the case.
		Otherwise, why tamper with our DNA?
		You know, that seems to be a really constant theme that runs through everything, that there's tampering with DNA going on, our DNA, for whatever reason.
		There is maybe weak or, you know, we've heard a million things.
		But, you know, that just doesn't strike me as friendly.
	And so I tend more toward Dr. Jacobs' feeling about all of this.
	But I thought we'd open all the phone lines, first time caller line, east and west of the Rockies, whatever, all of them, for anybody willing to talk to us about actual physical contact with alien beings and what they were told or what they feel is the case with these creatures.
	Are they friendly toward us or should we beware?
	You know, it's an excellent question to try and answer as we muddle our way through this quagmire that's called ufology and all the rest of it that goes with it.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good evening.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Ronald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ronald.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had some sort of contact?
unidentified		Yes, a couple different times.
unidentified		One time I had this gentleman from the Peleades that stayed with me for two weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that's where he was from?
unidentified		Well, that's where he said he was from, and I know he wasn't from here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's also a pretty important question.
		How do you know he wasn't from here?
unidentified		He appeared out of thin air alongside of me when I was working on my car, and the gravel was loose, 30-square-inch minus gravel.
		You couldn't walk on it without it being heard.
		And he could walk across the lawn in the morning when the heavy dew was on the grass, and he wouldn't disturb the dew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even leaving a footprint.
unidentified		Not even leaving a track, and I couldn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor could I, sir.
unidentified		Well, anyhow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, how did you catch on to him?
		He appeared.
		I mean, here he is in the gravel, impossibly.
unidentified		He's instantly standing alongside of me about three foot from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we can get from there to how he stayed with you for two weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a bridge to cross, right?
unidentified		Well, why he showed up, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, how did he end up staying with you?
unidentified		I had Americana Encyclopedia full set with all the yearbooks for 10 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he read every one of those books.
unidentified		And we sat at the table and he asked questions and I answered them to the best of my ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you knew what you were dealing with?
unidentified		Yes, I knew who I was dealing with because I figured it out right off the bat.
		And I walked up to him and I had my nose about 18 inches from his.
		And I says, Mr., what planet are you from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He answered, the Pleiades.
unidentified		And he said, how did you know?
unidentified		And I says, well, there is nobody could walk up on me standing here on this loose gravel without me hearing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In the interest of time, what I'm honestly trying to determine, I think you heard me open up the show.
		You know, I'm going to have two different, very divergent guests, one tonight, one tomorrow night, and they believe very different things.
unidentified		Here's what I know for a fact: I'll stake my life on these people in this respect: that they taught me a lot of things.
		Now, this gentleman spent two weeks with me.
		He never ate nothing and he never drank nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good kind of guest.
unidentified		And he sat across the table from me while I was eating.
		I felt real bad because I couldn't get him to eat nothing.
		He says, I have no need.
		But he would ask me questions.
		And when I'd come home in the evening, why he'd be sitting there with all these books with markers put in them about things he wanted to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, that really does sound like an information gathering.
unidentified		He claimed to be the third officer of a starship under the command of the Creator's direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What I would like to understand is why you believe that they're benign.
		Why you believe that they're going to be...
unidentified		I know for a fact that the technology they've got, they could wipe us out with one swipe of their equipment.
unidentified		In 30 minutes, the whole world could be barren if they wanted it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm familiar with that argument.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
unidentified		I know it for a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, anybody with the technology to get here could do that.
unidentified		Now, what he told me, he says, for an example, in our large ship, the one that he's officer on, he says, we can travel to the farthest most star that you have ever seen with your most powerful telescope in 15 minutes of your time after we leave your gravity field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, I appreciate your call.
		That would be about 15 billion light years.
		15, that's how far our telescopes can see.
		They can see to the beginning of time.
		You know, if all of this about the Big Bang is true, kaboom, right?
		Everything began to move outward.
		Well, the outward most object now that we can see is at about the beginning or the first little item that went kaboom.
		And that would be 15, 15 and 1.5 billion light years.
		That would be, of course, the distance that you could travel if you were traveling actually at the speed of light in one year.
		So that's 15.5 billion light years.
		Unimaginable.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Don.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don, you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I barely hear you.
unidentified		Don from Northwood Rock, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, welcome.
unidentified		Okay, I'll start at the beginning here.
unidentified		When I was five years old, okay, I woke up and there was like my room and then the bathroom and my parents' room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, and what had happened was in their room there was a bed against one wall to the left.
		Window.
		Okay, if I was at the end of the bed, there's a window straight across from me.
		And I remember my parents were sitting on the bed.
		And you've heard them talk about the aliens, how they kind of got that intercom thing where it speaks in your head, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So like, I guess, I think it's the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Telepathy, it's called.
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Telepathy, it's called.
unidentified		Yeah, and so I got this idea in my head that the radio said there was a skeleton loose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A what loose?
unidentified		A skeleton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A skeleton loose.
unidentified		Oh, at five years old, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, five.
unidentified		So suddenly this thing comes through the window, and it moves like I've never seen anything move before.
		It was just, I can't describe it.
		I perceived it to be green.
		It could have been gray.
		And it sat down and crossed its arms and legs, which caused me to cross my arms and legs, and I was paralyzed.
		And I remember trying to fight it, and my dad saying, don't fight it, son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your dad said, don't fight it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your dad was right there?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So I guess they were part of it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it sounds like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't fight it, son.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		And so the next thing I remember is waking up in the bathroom there and telling my mother, and she said it was a dream.
unidentified		She did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you know are you suggesting to me that you're both your parents were in on your abduction I don't think mother was aware.
unidentified		I think she may have been, like, just turned off or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds a little the other way to me, but okay.
unidentified		But this went on for 29 years.
unidentified		Oh, God, there were just all sorts of episodes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the things that happened to you on those occasions?
unidentified		God, there's so many that my sister witnessed.
		I'll give you one example.
		And it's like the other stories I've heard.
		We had a lake house up there at Griffith Ferry up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we would go to the lake every weekend and take a group of people.
		And that's just like Whitley Stryber.
		When we got to the lake house, I would take a shotgun and make everybody stay outside.
		And I would go through the whole house and the closets and everything with a shotgun.
		And not knowing why, you know.
		But anyway, one time me and my wife are sleeping in a bed up there.
		And it's a big old king-size bed and a big old comforter.
		And you really can't get out from under it without messing the whole thing up.
		I woke up in the morning to find my underwear folded at the end of the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Folded at the end of the bed.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You know, it sounds like things were happening to you.
		Now, look, just if you would venture out and answer the question for me.
		If you were pushed, do you think that these visitors, whatever they are, are benign and friendly to us, or do You think they are something that we should be wary of?
unidentified		I think this is something we should be wary of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wary of, huh?
unidentified		They went on with me until I was 29, and I read Whitley Streever's book.
unidentified		I started to underline things that were similar until I realized there was no reason to underline things that were the same story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was the same story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		After that, I had post-traumatic stress disorder for a couple of years.
		I couldn't, in the dark, I would keep looking down.
		If I went to the bathroom, I wouldn't want to look into other rooms.
		I was just scared to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, it's a I mean, a lot of people consider it a violation, like when there's a rape, you know, of a woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a violation of everything that is you.
unidentified		It is.
		And all those years, I didn't know what was going on.
		People didn't talk about abductions.
		I didn't know if it was me or if there were days to just what was going on.
		And like I said, when I read Communion, there's a picture of what I've seen when I was five years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It all clicked for you.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so then your vote would be be wary.
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		Well, how about that?
		All right, two calls, and what do we have?
		One who says he basically stake his reputation on theirs, and now this caller who says, uh-uh, I wouldn't say they're friendly at all.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour, and I continue to have all lines open for those who claim to have had physical contact with alien beings.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		If I could turn on the page In time, then I'd be your angel Just a page for you I was one, I was one, I was
		one, I was one But I couldn't find a way So I'll settle for one day If I'm leaving you Tell me, tell me, tell me Tell me, tell me, tell me Tell me, tell me, tell me
		Be it sight, sand, smell, or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak when it roots deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memories all, and
		the use of a ride?
		Well, call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may recharge at 1-775-727-1222.
		The wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		And to recharge on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are the lines, and don't despair if you don't get through.
		We're going to do this topic.
		That is to say, only those of you who have had actual physical contact with alien beings claim that Art to Call.
		Everybody else should sit back, relax, and enjoy the program.
		In the next hour, and then for the following two hours, we're going to have Dr. Stephen Greer here.
		And of course, he thinks they're rather friendly and that we're fools for shooting at them.
		And if they are, we would be, you must admit.
		And then tomorrow night, Dr. David Jacobs, two very different points of view on what it is that mankind is facing.
		So in between, we'll take calls from you now.
		We'll have Dr. Greer for two hours.
		And then in the final hour, we will continue to do exactly this.
		Take these exact calls.
		So don't despair if you don't get through.
		There'll be an opportunity in the last hour of the show, and then perhaps tomorrow night as well in the open lines segment.
		stay right where you are Once again, to the phones, and once again, we continue to take calls only from those who claim actual physical contact with alien beings.
		You're on the earth on the first time caller line.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I can hardly hear you, hon. You also are going to have to yell at me.
unidentified		Hello, Arch?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's much better.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I would agree with your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a guest right now, dear.
		My question is to those who have had actual physical contact.
		Would that be you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is whether you think they're benign or they're going to be big trouble for us all.
unidentified		I think it's both.
		No, I really do.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a fair answer.
		There are many who think that there's virtually a war going on over us.
		Is that your point of view?
unidentified		I think it's more like a war that's going on between them, maybe for the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's basically, I think, what I said.
		You're suggesting a war for the Earth.
		Would that include us, or would we just be extraneous crawling things?
		In other words, do they want the real estate or do they want us?
unidentified		Well, I think there's a group that wants to be friends and they want to include Earth in the friendship.
		But I think there's also other groups that are warlike, and it's pretty Much like people wherever you go.
		I mean, the people here on the earth, you've got some good people, you've got some real stinkers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be, that's definitely imaginable.
		Why do you believe that you know this?
		What happened to you that brings you?
		What happened to you?
unidentified		Well, this has been ongoing for probably since about, oh, probably been about 14 years.
		And I don't know, maybe before that, I saw some objects, and then from that point on, from the objects in the sky, there were beings that would come and they would talk to me.
		They would come into the house.
		And they were peaceful.
		They were peaceful beings.
		But they did warn that there are beings that do wish to do harm to people because they're warlike.
		And that's where I got it from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Straight from the alien beak, then.
		All right.
		Well, I very much appreciate your call, and that's going to confuse the issue a little bit, isn't it?
		That really is going to confuse the issue because that is imaginable, isn't it?
		That we are the prize, the earth is the prize.
		Is the earth inhabited with all these crawling things a prize, or is it just the earth, I wonder?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Vicki from Rockville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Vicki.
unidentified		How are you?
		Fine.
		I wanted to tell you about an incident that happened to me that makes me wonder if the UFOs or the people or whatever they want to call themselves are coming from space or they're coming from other dimensions.
		I used to live on Capitol Hill, and I was asleep one night, and I heard so much noise, so much noise in my living room, and it woke me up.
		And when I woke up, there was this tall, tall, tall, I guess I'm going to say man because I don't know, but it wasn't a man, being standing at the foot of my bed.
		He was very, very dark and not human.
		And you couldn't see his eyes.
		And it frightened me so, so much.
		I was so terrified, but I heard his thoughts, and he said, oh, my goodness, we've woken her up.
		And then in a minute, he was right beside my bed, right beside my cheek.
		And I could feel the energy of his body.
		And all I could think to do was to say, you know, this is too much for me.
		I couldn't talk or couldn't move, but my thoughts were saying, this is too much for me, God.
		If you need me to talk to whoever's in my room, they have to do it in my dreams.
		I cannot wake up in the middle of the night and see things in my room.
		It's too much for me.
		immediately i went to sleep uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		when i woke up the next morning Oh, okay.
unidentified		I passed.
		Well, when I woke up the next morning, because instantly I was gone.
		When I woke up the next morning, I remember I jumped out of my bed because of the amount of noise, I was really angry at my neighbors for not coming down or I live sort of like in townhouses and saying, why is there so much noise?
		And I thought they should come to help me.
		So I wanted to know what could make that amount of noise.
		And I ran to my living room and I saw that my door was still locked from the inside.
		And then I turned and I saw my fireplace.
		And that's where whatever came from.
		My fireplace and what they had on was very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't help all the little kids waiting for Santa to just send me.
unidentified		It sounds strange, but that's the way they entered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, great.
unidentified		Was through there.
		And it wasn't Santa.
		They weren't mean because he was very concerned that he woke me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, sure, great.
		But why was he concerned that he woke you up?
		I mean, what would have happened had you not awakened?
unidentified		No, Art, I don't know.
		Now, one thing that always has concerned me, I only saw one awake.
		But if I talk about it, which I don't talk about it much, I will say they all the time.
		And so I know there were more, and I only really saw one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The big question of the night is, and you're welcome to contribute, is it your sense they're friendly or hostile?
unidentified		Well, you just put a question in my head, you know, what would have happened if I woke up.
unidentified		But because he seemed so concerned, and I felt that his energy when he came and stood beside me, even though I was still terrified, I felt they didn't want to hurt me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good enough.
		Thank you.
		We'll put that in Mr. Friedman's gray box.
		I don't know what to say about that.
		I mean, there is that.
		What if she had not awakened?
		I mean, would their actions have generally, by most of us, been considered friendly or not so friendly?
		It's a question we're really trying to answer through this.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I'm John Baer.
unidentified		My experience with the UFOs and stuff began in 67 or 68 in Michigan, back during that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not just seeing lights in the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've had physical contact?
unidentified		Well, that's the part I'm not sure about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But to make this call, you've got to be sure about it, sir, because we're wanting to know about the intentions of the visitors, and how could you know about them if you didn't communicate with them in some manner?
unidentified		Okay, a few weeks after the light experience, the one time I got to see what all the hoopla was about, there was an event that happened.
		I had what I thought was an accident in broad daylight walking home from school.
		I thought I just fell and got right back up.
		But there was a change in time.
		Apparently there had been a passage of time I wasn't aware of and I got on home.
		My parents were worried.
		Apparently I was really late.
		But nobody had bothered to stop and call the cops and tell them that I was laying there in the road, in the alley, whatever.
		This all just continually happened with no interference.
		Later on, I began to feel this sense of rejection.
		Like, You know, oh, pity the poor guy, he doesn't qualify.
		It took me 30 years later to realize that an apparent possible rejection was my potential for diabetes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, well, okay.
		I appreciate your call, and I appreciate that answer.
		But the problem is, you see, rejection for what?
		You're not a good candidate because you have diabetes.
		Well, fine.
		I can understand that specimens, is that a bad word?
		Specimens have got to be healthy.
		I mean, even the Army checks you out and gives you a physical and a mental examination before they take you, right?
		Well, you see, the injection of the word specimens connotates a division of medical experimentation upon a human being.
		And I don't know if that's a positive thing from our point of view.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Happy holidays to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Ogden, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ogden, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had actual physical contact with alien beings?
unidentified		I have.
		I don't know if it was an alien being, but it was a creature.
		I have to tell you this because I was like 17 years old, and I was walking home on a full moon, and I came to an intersection.
		And there were the gutters that go down from both sides of the street that go down into the sewer.
		And there were now they're covered, but there's a grate over them.
		But at that time, they weren't.
		They were open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fall in?
unidentified		Negative.
		I heard something in the gutter.
		And I went over.
		I just stepped over to look to see what it was.
		And there was this creature.
		It was like about a mid-sized dog.
		And he had a little tail on him, like his thumb sticking out.
		And I just saw his rump.
		And he had a little pig feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was a pig.
unidentified		No, it wasn't a pig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know it wasn't a pig?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, you've described a pig.
unidentified		Well, you're going to have to listen to the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm on you, like a cheap soup.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, so he turned around, this little creature turned around, and he had a face on him like a human being.
		He had a man's face on him.
		But he had a nose like a, I don't know, kind of like a trunk or something, you know.
		But he had perfect teeth, and he had hands, and he was eating, and he had...
		He was eating some leaves and just junk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
unidentified		That was in the gutter.
unidentified		Yeah, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A sewer alien.
unidentified		Yeah, he was.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, look, what we're trying to answer with all of this is whether we're facing a threat or whether we're facing something that we should embrace and is going to help mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm trying to figure out how your story helps us answer that question.
unidentified		Well, I reached down to what happened is he put his hands up when he looked at me, he put his hands up to his face and he screamed.
		He let out that scream like he was embarrassed for me to see him.
		And I reached down to grab him because I thought that he wasn't really hostile.
		He looked like he was very frightful and he was in a lot of trouble or in a lot of pain or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he just came out of a sewer.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, he did.
unidentified		And when I went to get him, he ran down into the gutter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back into the sewer.
unidentified		Back down into the sewer.
unidentified		And I had this slime on my hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I bet you did.
		I mean, what do you expect when you pick up the little creature that just ran out of the sewer with a human face and a pig body?
		God, you know it's going to be full of whatever was down there.
unidentified		I've never told a story before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never told a story before.
		I can imagine that.
		And do you think that your little sewer cat there was friend or foe?
unidentified		I think that he was like, how can you say he was friend or foe, sir?
		I think he was friendly.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Friendly.
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
unidentified		I think that he was in a lot of trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Look, I appreciate your call, but your mama should have taught you not to grab at anything that comes up out of sewer, no matter what.
		And I hope you washed.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kurt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Lorraine from Santa Rosa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And I just had a very interesting experience.
		First of all, I'll tell you that I didn't think that the experience I had was a very friendly one.
		It was very invasive.
		I was about eight, nine years old, and I was awoken in the middle of the night, and I just remember sitting up and looking out my window, which was over my bed, and it was extremely, it was like daylight, and I knew it was the middle of the night, and I thought something was wrong.
		I thought maybe it's the streetlight, you know, and it wasn't.
		And next thing I knew, I turned my head.
		I mean, it was weird.
		It was kind of like I had memories and flashes.
		There were these two beings standing at the foot of my bed.
		And I mean, I tried to scream.
		I couldn't scream.
		I tried to get out of my bed, and I was frozen.
		I couldn't move.
		And it was one of those telepathic things, again, they said, don't worry, we don't want to hurt you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure does seem like a common thread.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what?
unidentified		Well, I remember looking down, and one of them was holding something in their hand, and it looked like I...
		that's what scared me.
		It was this big, long, like metallic, kind of like cylindrical thing that I immediately thought they were going to be using on me.
		It scared me terribly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, see, this is a really common thread, that there appears to be something that a lot that has to do with reproduction, with genetics, and we seem to be, with all due respect to my last caller,
		the guinea pigs we seem to be the guinea pigs and you know I think there's a really hard open question about whether we're facing friends or we're facing something rather sinister that we better not welcome with open arms.
		It's a damn important question.
unidentified		Yeah, well and these beings too they I don't know if you could call them grays because I really don't have any idea from my experience how tall they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there were similarities to how grays are described or photos you've seen.
unidentified		They had large eyes, they didn't have ears, they had like holes in their, you know, very large heads.
		Yeah, and kind of just slits for mouths and they didn't really have a nose.
		It was just kind of a very strange, you know.
		What scared me was when I got older and the book Communion came out, I just had a very, it's like everything came to me when I saw the cover on that book.
		I said, oh my God.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what, though?
		A lot of people say that.
		You're the second caller in this hour to refer to communion and the identity they felt with communion.
		Is that when you knew this happened to you or no?
unidentified		I always thought that it was just a nightmare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to be sure that the book Communion itself didn't plant some psychological seed.
unidentified		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Now, I remember this real quick.
		At some point, I woke up after that, and I remember as part of this experience, I tried to wake up my whole family.
		And what was very strange is I remember trying to wake up my mother and my father, and it was like they were in some kind of a trance or something.
		I couldn't, no matter what I did, I couldn't wake them up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I remember she kind of turned over in a very kind of strange voice and said, Don't worry.
		Go back to sleep.
		It's okay.
		You're just dreaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, these calls are getting eerily similar.
		They really are.
		So you must have identified very much with that lady who called a little while ago.
unidentified		Well, kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they essentially were surprised and shocked and not necessarily happy that she, you know, woke up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't happy at all no I was terrified you know and I think I had a lot of nightmares and a lot of them so if you were asked friend or foe your answer is foe huh definitely I appreciate your call hunt thank you thank you all right so much for this hour we'll be back with Dr. Stephen Greer and we'll do another hour of this toward the end of the program I'm Art Bell I've been aware the eagle flies rode his wings across all the skies kissed
unidentified		The sun touched the moon, but he left me much too soon, his Lady Bird.
		He left his Lady Bird.
		Lady Bird, come on down.
		I'm here waiting on the ground.
		Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
		Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
		Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
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		Dr. Stephen Greer is the founder and director of the Disclosure Project, a lifetime member of the Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society.
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		Dr. Greer has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations here in the U.S. and around the world, including senior CIA officials, joint chiefs of staff, White House staff, senior members of Congress and Congressional committees, senior U.N. leadership and diplomats, and senior military officials in the United Kingdom and Europe.
		Dr. Greer is married.
		He and his wife have four daughters, and they reside in the Charlottesville, Virginia area.
		In a moment, Dr. Greer.
		Well, through interesting means, the question we are dealing with tonight is whether these visitors, these visitors, are friend or foe.
		And I think it would serve to begin the conversation with Dr. Greer by asking him what he thinks, friend or foe, or is that just too simplified a way to even ask it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting because before Colonel Corso passed away, he told a friend of mine that an encounter he had with these life forms at the White Sands Complex.
		At one point, he asked, who goes there, friend or foe?
		And the extraterrestrial said neither.
		And I think it's a very complex question.
		Certainly, if they were foe and they were malevolent, that could have been declared.
		And I think the human situation that we face would have been taken care of long before we started having weapons of mass destruction and traveling in space.
		So I'm very dubious of the kind of horror mongers who would like to have the masses believe that there's some alien threat that we need to sort of fight.
		I think that subserves a number of suspicious military, industrial, and corporate agendas and associated propaganda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The media doesn't help you then, does it, Doctor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because, I mean, there's taken and one million other examples of negative portrayals of the visitors.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, fear, sales, but also fear controls.
		I mean, how easy it is to control masses of people.
		And, you know, Wernher von Braun told his spokesperson before he died that there was a concerted and very clear strategy to hoax a threat from outer space so that eventually the multi-hundred billion dollar enterprise dealing with warfare could become a multi-trillion enterprise and would involve the entire human race, not just a few nations.
		And I think that that kind of thinking is predictable if you're looking at these interests as huge cartels and special interests that would like to have people shivering in their beds, terrified.
		Now, the facts really don't support that.
		And I think that you can encounter something that can startle you or scare you.
		I mean, as an emergency doctor, I've scared quite a few two-year-olds doing ear exams.
		However, I wasn't there to hurt them.
		And I think there are two separate issues here.
		One is our reaction to the phenomenon, and the other is trying to then project our reaction to read some agenda into the phenomenon.
		So I think those are two very, very different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, let me toss this your way and at least see if you can deal with it.
		More times than not, Doctor, it seems to involve reproductive research, reproductive experimentation, or even suggested is some sort of genetic manipulation or experimentation.
		Would you agree or disagree with that?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I would disagree with that.
		Yes, and I think that that's a common myth, and the medical science would not support the need to drag me and other people on board a spaceship to get a sperm sample and an ova or two, to an ovum to do this kind of experimentation.
		I mean, if you understand the basic genetic structure, and we've pretty much close to cracking the human genome here by Homo sapiens doing it, humans, I'm quite certain interstellar-competent civilizations would hardly need to be doing those sort of things.
		So this is not to say that people haven't had close encounters with craft and peoples from other worlds, but I think there's this large overlay of rather suspicious things going on.
		For example, unless someone knows, and I'm going to throw out some acronyms here, you know, what ARVs, PLS, and psychotronic weapon systems are, I don't think they can evaluate an experiencer and know whether or not they encountered a human or a non-human situation.
		For example, we know that since at least the late 50s and early 60s, we have had what are called alien reproduction vehicles manufactured by humans.
		They sure look like something from outer space.
		We also know from a number of witnesses that I'm dealing with that we have created things that are kind of lookalike creatures that look like extraterrestrials that are man-made.
		And we also know that there are very sophisticated electronic weapon systems that can alter awareness and alter experience.
		So these things used together can kind of simulate or hoax a lot of things.
		And I think they have.
		One of the things that worries me about this whole area of discussion is that you have to back up, take a deep breath, and look and say who would benefit from putting out a tremendous amount of false information, which would do several things.
		First of all, it would hide the real phenomenon that's going on.
		Secondly, it would spin the phenomenon in a xenophobic direction that would subserve a number of agendas that I mentioned earlier.
		And I think the other thing it would do would be to be off-putting to people.
		A lot of people, you know, really kind of get turned off by all that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cutting the chase, it would serve the interests of the military-industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned us about, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It would very much subserve that, but it would also do a couple other things.
		It would be preparatory to what Wernher von Braun and a number of other well-placed top secret witnesses that I've met with have told me, and that's this sort of an agenda to eventually present to the world a threat that we could unite against.
		And instead of fighting each other, we could look out into the space and say, hey, we've got someone else to fight.
		And like in the movie Independence Day, let's go kick Alien Butt, as they said.
		So I think there's a lot of manipulation that can take place through fear.
		And this is why I try to, you know, I'm equally suspicious of people who want to say, oh, these are all, you know, these are people that's like angel creatures that we should be worshiping.
		I think we should view them as intelligent life forms with whom we need to engage in a deliberate dialogue.
		And I think that when I formed the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence in 1990, 12 years ago now, it was for the purpose explicitly of doing just that.
		And I think that society needs to do more of what I call going out there and attempting contact and less of the kind of speculation and fear-mongering that goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm a big fan of talking before shooting, but you have suggested that you have proof that, in fact, we've been shooting.
		We've been shooting at alien craft or unidentified craft that streak through our atmosphere or above it.
		We've been shooting at them.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are too many witnesses from diverse places within the military whose testimony, and some of this can be read at our website, disclosureproject.org, where these things have been observed and people have given testimony to that effect, and not just in the United States, but elsewhere.
		And I think this is one of the real dangers of secrecy.
		I think that whether you're talking about suppressing these extraordinary energy breakthroughs that could benefit the environment and eliminate poverty, or whether you're talking about this issue, the kind of secrecy and disinformation that has surrounded this subject is really very harmful to the evolution of humanity and to our future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps so.
		Doctor, why do you think we're shooting at them?
		Do you think we're shooting at them because the military kills people and break things and that's what they do or because they know something?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think that they, you know, if you wear rose-colored glasses, you see the world in a rose-colored way.
		And I think that if anything you don't fully understand or control is viewed as a priori and until proven otherwise, a threat, you will react in that way.
		And I think this is one of the problems of the vacuum of secrecy.
		It becomes a rather incestuous and hermetically sealed system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, surely you do agree.
		they know of the most of the military the government by itself knows more about i guess who what these are and who they are and what their intentions are uh...
		then we do another was a You really don't think so.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No.
		In fact, I think there are people in the civilian domain, certainly people in our team that have worked on this issue, who have a broader and better understanding of this.
		There's an ambassador from Canada I'm working with who came on one of our expeditions where we train people to attempt contact with these life forms and these spacecraft who did so on his own up in Canada and had an enormous encounter.
		And it was interesting because I find that there are people who seem to have an ability to break through to a bigger understanding, a larger and a more complete understanding of this, because they're not in these highly compartmented operations that have a very narrow focus or tunnel vision sort of approach.
		So I wouldn't assume that the premise of your question is correct and that they would know more.
		They may have more technical data, but that's different from knowledge, wisdom, or greater understanding of what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you think what's going on is disinformation, decoy, dis-track, trash, disinformation, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I wrote a paper a few weeks ago called DDT, and I have a friend who used to be General Odom's right-hand man.
		General Odom was the head of the National Security Agency for many years, and this man literally carried his briefcase, and he works with me, and he said, you know, we have a term, DDT, and this is where you set up a decoy to distract people and then trash a subject or take them off the course.
		And this is done routinely.
		And I think a great deal of what's put out there is DDT.
		And I tend, in that sense, be a bit of a skeptic about a great many of the positions that are taken to be conventional wisdom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why decoy, distract, and or trash?
		I mean, why all of that with regard to the subject?
		Why?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think aside from obfuscating the entire matter and just confusing people, I was talking to a member of Congress last year, and he says, you know, there's so much conflicting information.
		It's too damn aggravating to look into this subject.
		An investigative reporter once said to me, this is like a tar baby.
		You held on to this thing, it gets sticky all over.
		And I think that there's a certain amount of obfuscation that that serves.
		I think the other thing, as I mentioned earlier, is the spin.
		I think it enables, if you put out information that, particularly if it's spun in a direction that would present a threat and eventually build a sort of subconscious fear of all things from outer space, it would serve this larger agenda of eventually announcing that we need to put a few trillion dollars in weapons in space.
		And I think that is an explicit agenda of certain quarters, and I think it's something that people need to have their eyes open to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that all of these reports of abductions, some of them very seriously researched, are Boulder Dash?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is it Boulder Dash?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No, no, not at all.
		I think there are large numbers of people quite well, quite frankly.
		I mean, I know people personally who have had contact with these life forms and have had encounters.
		I don't use the term abduction because that's a criminal term, and I think it's intrinsically xenophobic, but let's just say an experience.
		But I think that there are many other people who have been victims of clandestine military operations.
		You know, Dr. Helmut Lammer wrote a book about the military-related abductions, and I have interviewed people inside many of the so-called abduction support groups who, as their primary experience, has revolved around military personnel commanding these things that look like alien robots, and which I have learned are human-made, doing things to them.
		So I think there are several phenomena going on, and people are mistaken it as one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, flat-out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would our military do this to our citizens?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, psychological warfare.
		You go back to 1953, and there's some very interesting documents that I got my hands on after I met with Clinton's first CIA director that talk about the psychological warfare value of this subject, and that this should be an item for the psychological warfare review board of the CIA.
		And I think that these are the kinds of things that happen not infrequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you released these documents?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I think some of them are in the first book, Extraterrestrial Contact, The Evidence and Implications, and certainly in our briefing materials that we have put out.
		I have about 2,000 pages of these sorts of things.
		Some of them were declassified after I met with CIA Director Woolsey.
		And of course, many of them have been out there for years, but people have just kind of thumbed through them if you read them carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it is astounding to suggest that the CIA director himself said, yeah, we're doing this.
		It's a psychological war.
		For what?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say that to me.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying this to these earlier documents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The documents.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Those documents are authenticated and officially released.
		And this has been known for many years that a subject like this can be used for many purposes in terms of disinformation and psychological warfare.
		And I think, you know, let the buyer beware.
		I think people have to be cautious in kind of, you know, screaming the sky is falling when it comes to this sort of thing and need to step back and, with a dry eye, look at what part of the data supports things being what they appear to be and what part of them is some kind of a memorex or a hoaxing or a copycatting of the phenomenon.
		Remember, since 1940s and 50s, we have had the ability to replicate anti-gravity, to dematerialize and rematerialize things across distances.
		Extraordinary technologies that have been highly compartmented and classified.
		If you take an agenda to try to hide a phenomenon or to mislead the public on something, and you have those kind of technologies in your collection of little tricks, a number of things can and predictably would be done.
		And I also remind people of the Wilbur Smith memo of, I believe, 1951, when this Canadian Top Secret memo explicitly says that this was the most top secret subject in the U.S. government, and it was classified more highly than the development of the hydrogen bomb.
		So if you look at that, you could understand that a number of things would be done to set people off the trail of what's really going on into a number of areas.
		And all the better if it would also subserve another agenda of engendering fear or trepidation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everything in the media is certainly suggesting right now that that's the agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, either that or we just like really scary stuff.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, people do like a good ghost story and a horror flick.
		And, you know, people don't often go to see things about peace and love and this and that, but they sure as heck will go to a good gory movie.
		So, I mean, there's an element of salesmanship there, and I think that has its own traction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I suppose as an emergency room doctor or physician, people don't necessarily remember, you know, when they think of you and what you did to them, they don't remember you fondly necessarily.
		Doctor, hold on, we'll be right back.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		All clear to me now One more time Throw my love by the wind Throw time in a spin I
		gave you love I thought that we had made it to the top I gave you all I had to give Why did it have to stop?
		You blow it all sky high By telling me a lie Without a reason why You blow it all sky high True.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed this hour.
		Dr. Stephen Greer is our guest, and we go back to Open Lines, a very special kind of open lines with those who have been physically All right.
		Pass blasted to me by Bruce in Clovis, New Mexico.
		For Dr. Greer, couldn't we be shooting at them and capitals to symbolically communicate that this is our territory?
		This earth is our territory.
		Normal primate behavior, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting point because when I asked a Navy intelligence person, a guy way back in the early 90s about this horrible thing that had been presented to me that indeed we had done such things, not just here, but all around the world, and actually had operating weapons that could reach into space for some decades.
		I said, why are we doing that?
		He says, well, it's like dogs teeing on fence posts marking their territory.
		And I said, and he said, it's as stupid and as banal as that.
		And I just, of course, my mouth dropped open.
		I said, you must be joking.
		He says, no, that's just how the thinking goes.
		And, you know, I mean, it's believable.
		If you look at how humans have behaved with each other or how one tribe has, you know, look in Africa within Rwanda where one tribe killed another tribe to the tune of at least half a million people in the past decade.
		So, I mean, if you look at the kind of savagery and the kind of prejudice and tribalism that does infect so much of human behavior, it's predictable, but it's tragic.
		And what I would say is that we have to kind of get over it and evolve through that kind of behavior because you can't go bamming around the universe with weapons of mass destruction and technologies that are capable of collapsing space into traveling through light years with this kind of mentality.
		And I think that's one of the real dangers of the secrecy.
		I think humanity can rise to a higher level of function than that.
		However, so long as there's sort of an avaricious and secret entity that runs this show, that isn't going to happen.
		And this is why disclosure is so important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you think about our guns and think about what their guns must be like to oversimplify things, why would anyone, in your own words, want a cosmic war in space and Armageddon, the very destruction of planet Earth, which is damn well what it could lead to?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		course why would any with a walls so I got interested in these things.
		And after I had an encounter with one of these craft and the creatures on it, I came to the conclusion that that is unlikely, that civilizations could evolve to the point of escaping their own solar system or perhaps even their own biosphere for any length of time without destroying each other unless they had socially and spiritually, if I can say so, evolved past that kind of naked aggression and violence.
		And this is why I seriously doubt that that's what we're facing.
		However, it's not to say that perhaps there's a big cosmic mirror being held up to us.
		I mean, in the sense, and let me be clear what I mean by that, we have a situation where a society from other star systems were to observe us in the last hundred years, they would be concerned about our capacity to be some trouble out there.
		So perhaps we have tried to do some things to stretch our wings out there in space and have been tossed back like a bad penny.
		And I'm not so sure that that's not appropriate, but it may have angered those who would like to have stretched their wings.
		And I'm hinting at something here that I have some personal knowledge about, and that is that we have tried to do some misadventures with some technologies we have that have not been very happily received.
		And I think the response has been displeasing to those here on earth who would like to have done it.
		And I think this is another reason why there needs to be a bigger view to this problem than can take place within the confines of the highly compartmented and ultra-secretive projects dealing with it today.
		I think there are people well suited.
		I'm working with a number of seasoned and very enlightened international leaders and diplomats who are interested in this, but they're routinely denied access and control over these projects.
		So I think that there is, in a sense, a leadership in exile here on this planet that has been shoved out of these affairs, and I think that the people are going to have to see that that leadership is put back in place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see any signs of that occurring?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for all the hope that people like yourself might have had about the current administration, this has got to be the most secretive, it's generally regarded as the most secretive administration that we've had in our adult memories.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Yes, it is.
		And I think that it was like that prior to 9-11 and has only gotten worse.
		However, I will say that there are competing views within the current administration on this.
		And again, I have some personal knowledge of this.
		And I had a meeting earlier this year with one of W's friends about this issue and about the whole disclosure effort.
		And there's some sympathy there.
		Now, one of my concerns is that any disclosure that could be forthcoming from the U.S. government could be, again, spun in the direction of another threat that we need to all become hiding in our bunkers and spending trillions of dollars in weapons.
		I think that this is a trajectory that some of the retrograde factions that may surround the current administration Would like to see happen.
		And what we have to hope for is that there are some higher angels there that will guide us to a path of greater wisdom than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps, but the power would seem to be on the side of secrecy.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		At this point, yes.
		And however, it's ironic.
		It took Bill Clinton to put through some things to reform the welfare situation.
		It took Nixon, a staunch anti-communist, to go to China, because if a Democrat had done it, people would have howled.
		That is.
		And it could take an administration that is steeped in secrecy and has long years of supporting secrecy that could make this sort of departure.
		So things are often counterintuitive, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you're right about that.
		I mean, that's actually been almost all of history.
		The Democrats end up doing what you wouldn't figure they would, and the Republicans end up doing what you wouldn't think they would.
		You're quite right about that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So there's always reason for hope.
		And I think ultimately we just have to keep getting the word out and plugging away.
		And I think that, again, one of the things that we're working on, and people can read about this at the website seespower.com, S-E-A-S-Power.com, where we're on the brink of some serious breakthroughs in these extraordinary energy devices that have been so long suppressed.
		And I'm hoping that within the next three to six months, we will have a major press conference with an actual functioning system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to talk to you about that a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you and I have had some chats about this, Doctor, and they go back some years now.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I'm very skeptical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just about every time we've talked, you've been, you thought, perhaps months away, either on top of a discovery or just months away from some stuff that obviously has fallen through.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, what's interesting about this is that I have actually seen some very significant breakthroughs, but the people who have them are so terrified.
		And what we're trying to do is extend an umbrella, which is really a spin-off of the disclosure effort.
		You know, I point out the people, and anyone listening who has such an energy device should get on that website and submit.
		We announced a $1 million prize that's still unclaimed in the form of guaranteed licensing royalties for any such device that is proven to work at three independent labs.
		That's on our website, and they can read it at seizepower.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you actually personally verified?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you really know to exist, Doctor?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I know that there are a number of systems right now on this planet that do what these people have claimed.
		And what we are trying to do is convince them that it is now time to step forward with them.
		There's a lot of fear.
		And, you know, I was talking to Tom Bearden once about this.
		And there have been people who have absolutely been dropped dead trying to do these things.
		Now, one of the things that can protect that is to have an enormous network of people who know about what you're doing.
		I will say right now, without saying where I'm going, but in the next 30 days, I'm going to three separate locations.
		One is a device that would be a negative resistor.
		It's a device that's putting out 5 kilowatts of power with no input power through a magnetic resonance process that is tapping this magnetic flux field in space around us.
		Another device is...
		Oh no.
		I tell people I'm the stupidest person on two legs when it comes to electrical and mechanical systems.
		I'm the strategic guy.
		The people I bring with me are top-drawer physicists and scientists who can do that to betting.
		Because aside from I'm not able to do that, I would never pretend to.
		The reason I never got sued in 10 years of a busy ER is because I know what I don't know.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would virtually mean tapping what's probably, we'll just call it zero point.
		In other words, an energy that we sort of think might be out there, but I've never seen proof of it.
		And you think you're going to?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I actually have seen proof of one in the last year, but the scientist is really scared to come forward.
		He's convinced he'll be killed.
		And I don't think so at this point.
		But, you know, people make their own decisions.
		And I've identified what I call an inventor post-traumatic stress disorder syndrome where they are so afraid and paralyzed.
		Now, we're dealing now with some people in the last two months that I think are ready to step out behind the veil.
		And the testing has to be done.
		I anticipate it'll take three to six months to do both the in-house and the laboratory testing.
		And at that point, we will then do a reproducibility study and rebuild the system and see if it actually works on a reproducibility basis.
		And if so, we will not walk, but run and let the public know about it and see it.
		That's what we're doing.
		And I think the world desperately needs it.
		We know these things have existed in the past and have always been gobbled up and suppressed.
		And at this point, we're convinced that it can come forward.
		One of the things I point out to people is if they look at the folks who came forward last year in the disclosure project, many of them had top secret SCI TK clearances.
		Not one of them received even a phone call saying, be quiet.
		Because before we did that, I met with folks who can give us the kind of support and protection needed and said, put it in place.
		We need to come forward.
		And as of this date today, not a single person has been harassed, threatened, imprisoned, nothing.
		And so I'm very optimistic that this can happen.
		I think people have created too large of a boogeyman of the fear.
		It's not that there hasn't been reason for fear in the past, but I think we're moving into a time where we can get this done and we need to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I had something like that.
		Indeed, I might be fearful.
		I understand what would be threatened, as you do, by something like that.
		Why don't you imagine that fear would be absolutely justified?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, whether it's justified or not, here's a unique thing.
		If someone has such a system, what we're suggesting is that through a firewall and a licensing agreement, that the person who has it hands it off.
		If we cannot perform and get it out to the public, it reverts back to them.
		No questions asked.
		But if we succeed, anything we do, they're Not liable for.
		Those agreements can be made.
		They can just put their hands up and say, hey, that crazy guy Greer is doing this.
		I have no control over that at this point.
		And that can legally be done.
		And that's what we intend to do.
		Because if someone wants to give me a national security secrecy order to suppress something that we're controlling, I'll simply go on a major network TV show that's invited me on to do this and tear it up in front of 100 million people.
		I mean, there's a point where you're going to have to simply belly up to the bar and do it.
		Unfortunately, I don't think scientists and inventors who are sitting in their laboratories are the people to do that.
		We need to have a large network, which we have put together, of people from all walks of life who will stand out and stand tall and let this happen.
		I think then you have a chance.
		I think the little guy trying to invent something, doing all this, it'd be very, very hard.
		I think they need to join in a coalition such as we have and do it.
		And I'm quite convinced at this point in time that will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You talk about alien reproduction vehicles.
		That means that our government got their hands on something, back-engineered it, and that would include the power plant.
		So the inference, obviously, would be that these systems, these inventions, these ideas, these whatever they are, these technologies are already really in our hands.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are, but they're the tree that fell in the woods, no one heard.
		I mean, they're in ultra-secret projects.
		And as Ben Rich, who was the head of Lockheed, said to three people I'm working with today and who are on my team, that it'd take an act of God to ever get them out of those projects to benefit humanity.
		And he said this a few years ago at UCLA School of Engineering after a talk there.
		And he was referring specifically to technologies that were capable of traveling faster than the speed of light to the stars out in space.
		And so, you know, and I stand by that statement because I have three independent people who are there who heard Ben Rich say it.
		Now, yes, so yes, we do have them, but see, this begs a larger question, is that the laws of the universe are universal, and scientists have been coming across the physics behind this phenomenon that Tom Bearden and others and Tom Vallone and Maury King and others have described for many, many decades.
		You can go all the way back 75 years and find people who have.
		The question is, why hasn't it gotten out to benefit the world?
		Now, what we're trying to do at this point is to connect those scientists with those devices to a very large strategic network and then quickly move it forward.
		And that's what we're doing.
		And I hope we succeed.
		If we don't, we're at least going to give it the college try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how can people help you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that if people know of someone who actually has one of these systems, they should contact us at SCASPower.com, seizepower.com.
		And there is a contest of sorts.
		It's just a way of really supporting people to do this.
		It's a $1 million guaranteed prize in the form of licensing fees and royalties that we will guarantee to anyone who proves they have this and allows us to test it.
		They should network those people to us and contact us as soon as possible.
		We are in the process of either fabricating or testing a number of these systems.
		I also want to point out that, you know, people have heard for years, whatever happened to that 100-mile-per-gallon fuel injection system or vehicle.
		Those are also have actually existed.
		We've done the research on that.
		Now, that's another, it's not as sexy as anti-gravity or zero-point energy.
		But remember, we've got a couple hundred million cars on the road in this country and around the world more than that.
		And we would like to see those systems supported.
		And so we have a program right now where we're about to test seven different internal combustion modifications that you could retrofit and put on a car so that your SUV will be getting 30 to 50 miles per gallon instead of 10.
		So these are things that we're looking at, and some of them are extremely promising.
		And as soon as we have a confirmed independent lab testing of them and reproduction of them, we will announce this to the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, we've got the Bush administration passing legislation that increases mandatorily the gas mileage for the SUVs you talked about, four or five miles a gallon or whatever the hell it is.
		Not much.
		I mean, if they really had this technology, then what are they doing passing those kind of laws?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, because the people passing those laws are not educated on these issues.
		And this is one of the things.
		I was talking to Tom Vallone today, who does a lot of work in Washington with this.
		And he was meeting with the prominent senators of AIDA on energy issues.
		And they're actually very open to this.
		And we're going to be having some further follow-up meetings with those people in the next week or two.
		So I think that, you know, people assume that because you're a senator or a member of Congress that you're omniscient.
		On the contrary, they're so overwhelmed that they seldom understand these sorts of issues.
		And I think ultimately the proof of the pudding is going to be in the eating.
		We need to present some.
		This is what the challenge is I'm putting out there tonight.
		If someone's got that kind of system for the automobile or a zero-point device and it's ready to be properly protected and put out there, they should contact us because there are a whole lot of people on both sides of the aisle in Congress and all over the world waiting for these kinds of solutions.
		Remember, George Bush himself said last year in the State of the Union that it was a national security imperative that we become independent of imported oil.
		Right now, we get something like 57% or 55% of our oil from overseas, and it makes us a very vulnerable country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've mentioned the fact.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, isn't that an interesting irony?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well it is.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but often the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and this is the whole problem with compartmentalization.
		Don't assume that people really have access to the things that we're talking about.
		And I think that this is an important point, that if it's hidden away as tightly as Ben Rich was discussing, I think it's going to be up to the civilian, scientific, inventor, and activist community to push it out there.
		And I wouldn't be holding my breath for Lockheed Martin or Northrop to open up their bag of tricks and let one of these things come floating over a Super Bowl game.
		Oh, trust me, I'm not.
		I'm not going to wait for that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we're out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the hour.
unidentified		Great.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you so much, Art, and best to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck, Doctor.
		and uh...
		thank you very much for being here and i really mean good luck uh...
		because you're brushing up against You're brushing up against the powers that if all you say is true probably would have you squished like a bug.
		We're going to break here.
		And when we come back, we're going straight back into open lines.
		And I'm going to be looking for calls on all my lines from any of you out there that have actually had physical contact with alien beings as we continue to try to answer the question, friend or foe.
unidentified		One bird in a golden cage On a winter's day In
		the rain White bird in a golden cage Alone The leaves blow Cross the long black road
		To the darkened sky In its rage But the white bird Just sits in her cage Unknown Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye From west of the Rockies
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly as promised, you just heard a very strong, strident point of view, that of Dr. Stephen Greer, that they really are okay.
		That those visiting us really are not malevolent.
		That if they were, why they'd squish us.
		Not quite that simple, the way he put it, but generally that was certainly the tone of what he said, I think, you would agree.
		And tomorrow night, we'll get the opposite point of view from Dr. David Jacobs, who thinks they are, in fact, a threat.
		And he said so in the book he wrote called The Threat.
		Daniel in New York, in New York City, hello Daniel, says, to be abducted, to lose your freedom and free will is not the work of benevolent beings.
		And I would lean toward tending to agree with that, but I can't tell you that I know the answer.
		So what we're doing this night, the balance of this night, the next couple of hours, is all of my phone lines are open.
		But only to those of you who have actually had physical contact with alien beings or what you consider to be alien beings.
		And toward that end, I'm certainly going to ask all of you whether you think that they are friend or foe.
		I mean, that is what it's going to, whatever your story might be, that's what the question is going to boil down to.
		well you think this is a good thing for humanity or a big threat to humanity All right, here we go into the world of open lines.
		And I want to stress one more time for those of you listening.
		The only calls that we're taking on all of the lines here are calls from people who have actually had physical contact with alien beings.
		Everybody else, take the night off, rest.
		You can dial on another night.
		You will live to dial on another night.
		Because who better to ask than the experiencers what it is that we're all facing?
		The rest of us don't have that kind of first-hand experience, do we?
		So let's listen to those who claim to have.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Art?
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		From Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KFI country.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I hope you're feeling better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Great.
		Yes, I've definitely had contact.
		And when?
		This was, as a matter of fact, started when I was young, when I was about 10 years old.
		But the most recent contact that really meant the most to me was in 1974, between the years of 1974 and 1979.
		Especially in 1974.
		And gosh, I've got so much to tell you.
		I've got to be serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boil it down as best you can.
		What in that period of time happened?
		I mean, when you say contact, what do you mean?
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I had a most unusual opportunity to meet a group of people that were working out of a major record company in Hollywood when I was a professional musician, which I am now anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this may come as a surprise to you or not, but strange as they are, they're not aliens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just record company people.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Yes, indeed.
		However, the people that I did meet did have some contacts that I was actually able to arrange a meeting.
		It was a very unusual thing that happened with some actual extraterrestrials.
		And this was a very unusual thing.
		As a matter of fact, this is going to be very hard for everybody to believe, but I've been holding this back for such a long time.
		And I can tell you that this actually happened.
		As a matter of fact, there may actually be.
		I played a concert at Barnstall Art Center in Los Angeles, which was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.
		This is big park.
		It's up on the top of a hill.
		Yes.
		For a group that were sponsoring some benefits for orphaned kids.
		They wanted to build an art city down near San Diego.
		And it sounded like a very idealistic thing.
		And these are some of the nicest people I ever met.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really going to have to hurry this up?
unidentified		Okay, I've got to hurry.
		Okay.
		They had with them an extraterrestrial creature that was an animal, the most beautiful animal that I've ever seen.
		And it actually performed before us, and the three of us who saw this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean performed?
unidentified		Actually, what happened was I was getting ready to play.
		We were playing outside at the park, figuring out what we were going to play.
		I had my hand outstretched, and it landed on my hand.
		Literally landed on my hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know it was extraterrestrial?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know it was?
unidentified		Because, okay, all right, here it is.
		And I'll send you a drawing of this thing.
		Because it was, and I've studied biology and zoology and everything, too.
		The little thing about two inches long landed on my hand and looked at me with a porphyse kind of a face.
		And it looked like a cross between a lizard and an insect.
		And it didn't have any wings, and it had eight legs.
		Each of its eight legs had a little frog finger like on the end of its leg.
		And here's this little thing.
		At first I thought it was a dragonfly or a butterfly.
		I was looking at it out of my peripheral vision, okay?
		Then I looked at it, and it was sitting on my thumb.
		This is, I swear to God, this is the truth.
		Looking at me, and it had a beautiful opalescent color all over its whole body.
		It was about 15 different colors at the same time.
		Had a porpoise-like face with a benevolent little eye, looked at me and smiled.
		I swear to God, looked at me with one eye and then the other, because imagine like a head like a porpoise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a little tiny thing then.
unidentified		A little tiny thing.
		And it was flying.
		Then it flew.
		And it didn't have any wings.
		It flew an anti-gravity, and it had a tail like a dragonfly, but it looked like a lizard, but it had twice as many legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		The big question we're trying to answer tonight, when we talk to people like yourself, if you really think that was an alien encounter, it sounds pretty strange, all right.
		Are these friends or foe?
		I guess you're going to say friend, huh?
unidentified		Friend.
		No, definitely friend, because these people and the people that I met subsequently after that, and I know I don't have time to tell you about everything that happened to me, but I had several contacts with real extraterrestrials, and they really are here, and they are most benevolent.
		As a matter of fact, they really do want to help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it that makes you believe that?
unidentified		Everything that they did, everything that they said to me, and also the fact that they freely, they had an actual plaque that had all the things that they believed in, this group of people.
unidentified		And one of the things they said was, peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		actually i don't think that's their expression you know i think that one All right, thank you very much.
		Peace on earth and goodwill toward men, huh?
		Little bugs the size of your thumb.
		You guys buy that?
		I don't know.
		But you've got to admit, it was an unusual story.
		A little tiny thing.
		I mean, normally we don't think of aliens as little things somewhere in between an insect and something else.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		You know, it's been a long time since I've talked to you.
		I'm glad you're feeling better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Well, I have had encounters since I was about five years old.
		But during the mid-70s, and this was researched by Mufon and well documented, I had a very, very unusual encounter with a friend of mine.
		And it took place in Southern California.
		Well, without going into much great detail, I was taken aboard a craft, had a discussion, as it were, with humanoid-type creatures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was the substance?
unidentified		This is really interesting, Art.
		Basically, they were telling me about all the nuclear power in the world and where we were headed.
		And I really found this most interesting because if what they were saying was true, we have already had World War III.
		Because back then they were saying it was going to happen within the next eight years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least in this timeline, it didn't seem to be.
unidentified		Well, being as it may, with everything that came out of that investigation and everything that I've gone through, not only being somewhat estranged by my family at the time, and all the ridicule I got at the time, my personal belief is whatever these things are, they sure like to lie a lot.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think they lie a lot?
		You're not the first one to have said that.
		In fact, Dr. David Jacobs, who's going to be on tomorrow night, says virtually the same thing, that they do.
		They lie a lot.
		They're deceitful and liars.
		You know, that's just not real friendly.
		It doesn't seem real friendly.
		I mean, if they're lying, that means they're covering something up, right?
		So they have some other agenda.
unidentified		Definitely put me off.
unidentified		I thank you, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you and take care.
		That's what we're really trying to discern here with these phone calls, is what are we facing?
		Something that is friendly or something that is dangerous?
		Something that mankind really might have reason to fear and build these weapons that Dr. Greer is so unhappy with, and perhaps for good reason, to defend against.
		First time colour line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, my name is Laura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Laura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Fine.
		How are you doing, Laura?
		I'm all right.
		Do you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be on a cell phone.
unidentified		Oh, it's a wireless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wireless phone.
		All right.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and have you actually had physical contact with aliens?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
		alright tell us um...
		as the most uh...
		The most experience I've had with it is in 1980.
		And it was in the summer, and I had a fight with my husband at the time.
		And I went into the bedroom, and the thing was there.
		It was very tall.
		It was in a black robe with a hood.
		I couldn't see the head.
		I couldn't see a face, in other words.
		It was covered by the hood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was very upset.
		I sat down in the bed and I was scared and then I couldn't move.
		And I was so frightened.
		And I saw a finger pointing from under one of the sleeves.
		It was like the right hand.
		And it looked like a skeleton hand.
		And the finger was pointing at me.
		And he actually touched me.
		And I felt a rush of heat go through my body.
		And it was very soothing.
		And that was one time, and another time...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm not suggesting that that was about to occur to you, but I'm just suggesting that that's very common in nature, that an animal would have the ability to paralyze or essentially dope up its victim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know.
unidentified		Well, there was another time in the house.
		There were three experiences in that one house.
		And this was in Chicago.
		I don't know if I said that, but the other time was I was in the room again, in the bedroom, and it was a small apartment, so there weren't too many places to go.
		And I saw a bunch of them, like dozens of them, little ones, though, and you could see their faces, and they were grotesque.
		And I was terrified, and then there was the big black one again, and it was like he chased them away, and they went up through the ceiling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you think then that there might be both, the friendlies and the unfriendlies?
unidentified		Well, that's what I thought at first, and in retrospect, I think that the little ones might have been excited, and the big one realized I was scared, and he made them go away.
unidentified		And after that, I only saw a couple of, but like three of the big ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so your overall impression now is that they are friendly?
unidentified		That is my overall impression, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		There is another one for the friendly side.
		You know, there is a pretty strong argument, I suppose, that if they could get here, if they have the technology to get here across light years of space, if not time, then they would have the technology to squish us like bugs if they really wanted to.
		They haven't done that yet.
		Yet.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		You know, I got disconnected.
unidentified		This is Cherry again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that was the end of the call.
		I had to do it.
		Were you actually on the air?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you weren't on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you're on the air now.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm on the air.
		Okay.
		I would not really tell where I'm from because it's going to be a very touchy subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
		That serious, huh?
		Yeah.
		All right.
unidentified		They are not our friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound rather sure of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I've had contact with three different types.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And what's the basis of saying that?
		I mean, why not?
unidentified		Well, before I tell you how I know, you remember on your program several years ago, they talked about the general and the major found out the truth and they committed suicide after Roswell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then also on encounters, they showed that they're starting to mutilate humans just like they do cattle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard the stories, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I had contact because there's a thing called walk-in.
		And that's where, either through astral projection or whatever it is, they walk into your body without your consent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of it, yes.
unidentified		And that's happened to me.
		And I didn't want it to happen, but it did.
		And that's number one.
		Number two, I had contact with an alien.
		It was a woman.
		It was the gray type.
		And they told me different things.
		They also, I asked them if they knew about your show.
		And they were very cold towards him.
		They say, you know, in a cold, snotty way, yes, we know about the Art Bell show.
		Because you're exposing things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have the presence of mind to actually ask that.
unidentified		And so I says, well, what do you think about that show?
unidentified		And it was a she, and she says, well, you can't believe everything you hear on that show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was certainly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
		But now here's the other one.
		There has been rumor, which I know is now substantiated, that aliens have infiltrated different things, including the Mormon Church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Mormon Church?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The church of Mormons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		I had contact with one of them.
unidentified		You remember when you had a long time ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose it's like Salt Lake City's crawling with them, huh?
unidentified		Well, supposedly, but listen to this one.
unidentified		Remember you had as a guest Dr. Stranges?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And remember that alien from Venus?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That visited the Pentagon?
		Well, I have met in the past, this would be a year ago, one of these aliens that look like that.
		You know, dark hair, nice looking, high complexion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he knew, he was 21 years old.
		He knew everything about my encounters.
		Very, oh well, so what?
		Better you than me.
		Real snotty attitude.
		And then they have an attitude towards humans, which I gathered through all three of these.
		Like, we're their property, and they have no respect.
		And also, I get the impression that not so much with the one that's infiltrated the Mormon church, but the other two.
		Like, they really don't respect our God.
		And that would explain why they have sex with us, which, you know, technically, when they're having sex with people that are married, or even if they're unmarried, That's fornication or adultery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you claiming that one had sex with you?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, they dare not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They dare not.
unidentified		There's something about me that they don't mess with.
unidentified		I think it's because of that one woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or don't cotton to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, no reflection on you, but everybody's different, right?
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
unidentified		And then let's get back to the one about the Mormon church.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very shocking.
unidentified		You go on the website on your computer, and you get in that, and you'll find out.
unidentified		You put in that word alien, UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alien and Mormon.
unidentified		And LDS, Mormon Church, and you'll see that there's several books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get a million hits back, huh?
unidentified		Now, why are they here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Listen, sir, I'm going to have to run on you.
		We're at the bottom half-hour break here.
		So you never managed to have sex with one of them, huh?
		despite those temptation eyes.
unidentified		She's got something that moves my soul, and she knows I'd love to love her, but she lets me down every time, can't make her mine, she's no one's lover tonight, with me she'll be so inviting, I want it all for myself.
		Oh, temptation eyes, and the truth of my soul, temptation eyes, you've got your love, please, you've got your love, please.
		Thank you.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only calls that we are taking is from those who have had encounters with what they consider to be alien beings.
		The question, the larger question, do you consider them to be friend or foe?
		I'd say so far that we're getting a little more on the side of friend at the moment, but it's a small margin above half, I'd say.
		That's probably the way it's going thus far.
		We'll dive back in in a moment.
		Incidentally, I think many of you know, some of you may not.
		I am a ham radio operator, so the following email really caught my attention, and it may well be that you can help out with this story.
		My email address is artbell at mindspring.com, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.
		In case you want to respond to this, I am a ham, W6OBD is my call.
		And I received this email, and I really wanted to sort of run it by some of you.
		Art Frank Scully, in his 1950 book, Behind the Flying Saucers, mentions an event which happened in 1941 involving a shortwave radio and a boy in Appleton, Wisconsin.
		Here's what the book says.
		What about the boy in Appleton, Wisconsin, whose shortwave set hit a magnetic frequency which not only paralyzed automobiles within three miles of his home, but any plane flying over his house?
		Chet L. Swittle was sent by his paper from Chicago, newspaper, from Chicago to cover the story.
		And when he reached Appleton, he found the place.
		It was crawling with FBI.
		They confiscated the boy's shortwave set and shipped him, his family, and the misfying radio to Washington for further study.
		That was 1941.
		What happened?
		Or is that one still classified five years after the war and nine years after the reported phenomenon?
		Have you heard of the event, Art, and what do you think could have caused it?
		And has it been reported since?
		That one caught my attention.
		If you have any response to that, I would love to hear it.
		In the meantime, back we go to the phone lines.
		Wild Guard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Karen from Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Karen?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Karen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, this, my encounters began when I was probably six or seven.
		I remember having a vivid dream and waking up in the middle of it and find that I was levitating and I crashed into my bed and broke it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're saying you woke up in mid-air?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And like in one of those Roadrunner cartoons.
		There you were, hovering.
		Down you went.
unidentified		I didn't know what was happening, and it really frightened me as a child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure it would.
unidentified		I've never seen a spacecraft of any kind, but I have seen a dimensional door open twice over my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's nobody that I think would deny the possibility that what we regard as aliens are indeed alien to us, but not from space, but rather from another dimension.
		It's entirely possible.
		That could be the answer to all of this.
		After all, maybe the scientists would say you can't get from there to here, not at the speed of light, because you can't go faster than the speed of light.
		At least not yet.
		They could be right, which would mean the only way they'd actually be here and people like you having these experiences would be if it were a dimensional jump.
unidentified		Well, these were not the graves.
		These were small light beings.
		And they've been with me most of my life.
		And as a child, I would ask them questions telepathically.
		I am quite a telepath.
		I don't know if that's why they chose me or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then, as briefly as possible, what do you know about them?
		Or what do they know about us?
		Or why are they hiding?
unidentified		All right.
		They knew my entire life.
		I mean, I asked them all these questions.
		What am I going to be when I'm 28?
		Oh, you're going to be on television.
		Now, I thought, you know, wow, television, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, too.
		Wow, TV.
		Have you been on TV?
unidentified		Yes, but, you know, you could walk into a Viet Com studio and do something on Channel 36, you know.
		Ooh, you know, no big deal, you know.
		But it was comedy, exactly like they said.
		And just everything that happened in my life was just so really blessed, you know.
		But they were accurate of everything they said to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think of being on TV as being blessed, but all right.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they tell you anything really significant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that we can understand whether they're friends or not.
unidentified		Yeah, they said when I was 36, something, you know, they didn't say something bad was going to happen to me.
		I had to be very specific with my questions, and then they would answer them.
		But let's not go on about my personal life.
		What they did tell me at that time was there's going to be a time I'm going to ask them to go away.
		And during this time, like I said, all I see were these flying little light beings, and they'd check people out that I was encountering, and they were especially interested in the pneumatic tape machine when I was cutting in commercials.
		They would fly in and out of the darn thing, out of the back of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of the back of the pneumatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I went to Sony's school for pneumatics, and I never saw anything fly out of one, at least not living.
unidentified		Well, no, you know, they were in my life, and they were probably just checking out the equipment I was working with.
		I don't know.
		But the computers go off or down around me quite a bit.
		I've always considered it high electromagnetism.
		I don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is, friend or foe?
unidentified		Well, they were definitely always telling the truth to me, always warning me about situations and people.
		I would say if they always told the truth, which they did, they were friend.
		But they were also not of the gray.
		I was always taught that the grays were not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not our friends.
		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		Well, all right, so friend.
		You know, that sounds almost more like a sort of a guardian angel sort of light story to me.
		And I'm not sure I would even put that in the classification of alien.
		Well, I would put that in a sort of a, you know, again, Stanton's gray box.
		I think that's got to go in the gray box.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Now or never.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		Is it me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only you know that for sure, but it's not.
unidentified		I'm sorry, because I didn't.
unidentified		I'm sorry, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
		Go ahead, sir.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, I would prefer to stay anonymous because if you don't mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we know you're east of the Rockies.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		Well, that's fine.
		Okay.
		That could be anywhere.
		That's right.
		Please listen to me.
		I'll be 53 in March.
		And I don't know who my dad was.
		My grandparents raised me.
		They never talked about it.
		I remember when I was five years old, I remember being brought into some bright lights and supposedly to take my tonsils out.
		This is what I was told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I still have my tonsils.
unidentified		I still have my tonsils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is suspicious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, the bright lights of an operating table and all that.
unidentified		But I remember being on a gurney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very bad.
unidentified		I remember being on a gurney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they didn't take your tonsils, then what do you think they did?
unidentified		Well, I'm not sure.
		That's why I want to know.
		And I want you to help me, and I want your people to help me.
		And I remember screaming.
		And I remember going in, and they were putting a mask over my face and dropping something on it.
		And then I remember, you know, the old Twilight Zone with the little target thing that goes around and around on the Twilight Zone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
		Circle within a spiral zone.
		Right, right.
unidentified		That goes around and around.
unidentified		Spiral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, spiral.
unidentified		Yes, thank you.
		And that's the last thing I remember.
		And from that point on, art, my mother, my grandma, I say mother's grandmother, because they were the ones who raised me.
		I would go to school, but at night, when I go out to play, she said the first thing you do is go out on the porch and you look up in the sky and you look at the stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound very emotional.
unidentified		Well, because I need for answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you need answers?
unidentified		And she said, you stand there for a minute.
		You look around.
		And you felt safe.
		And then you go play.
		And yeah, but let me tell you, Art, I'll be 53 in March.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did tell me that already.
unidentified		And I've never been sick in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that's why?
unidentified		I don't know.
		I have never had any major.
		I have never had anything.
		And I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got something.
		I mean, they don't take your tonsils.
		Do you think you were implanted with something?
unidentified		Art, I don't exercise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think you were implanted With something.
unidentified		Art, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you're unbreakable.
		Remember the Bruce Willis movie, Unbreakable?
		Do you think you're unbreakable?
		Can't get sick, can't get hurt?
unidentified		I don't know, but I want to tell you this: Art.
unidentified		There's been many times in my life that someone has tried to take my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you should have been dead and you weren't.
unidentified		And I weren't.
		I'm sorry, I wasn't.
		And I haven't been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, maybe.
		Now, there'd be an interesting area to explore with all of the audience.
		Remember the movie Unbreakable?
		There are people out there who think that as a result of something that happened to them, this is the truth.
		They really think they're unbreakable.
		They will not die.
		They will not get sick.
		They will not spend a day with illness.
		They will not get any terrible disease.
		They will not die.
		He sounds like he believes that's true of him.
		Doesn't he?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Okay, well, my experience started when I was 18 years old, and I'm 31 right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		18 is a high age.
		If you notice, most who call them five or six years of age, and it begins then.
		But 18, huh?
unidentified		That's when I started taking notes, and that's when I actually started realizing things were going on.
		As I look back, I could, you know, there's other little glimpses.
		Now, my perception of it has been that there's basically two types.
		The first type is the type that wants to help you and is basically trying to tell you what's going wrong, what's going right, what's going to happen in the future, the visions that I've been given, and how they're going to help us.
		And the other kind is the kind that's actually jealous of us and doesn't want us to get to the higher level after we die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think they're jealous of us?
unidentified		There's one, okay.
		So there's one that's jealous of us because the ones that help us, they realize they could come into our lives the way we could go into an ant's life.
		You know, excuse me, I'm excited.
		You know, when you see an ant hill, the ant doesn't realize you're there.
		But if you put your finger there, they get all hysterical and they start going all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you ought to see what they do when you put your foot there.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get hysterical.
unidentified		And those, they both can do that.
		But one of them, the good ones, realize that, you know, we have a higher calling.
		And the other ones are basically jealous of that.
		And the reason why I feel that way is because when I've experienced the bad ones, you actually feel like you've been mentally raped.
		You don't feel, you know, physically, I've had little cuts, bumps, weird stuff like that.
		But it's the mental part that gets to you.
		Now, what happens, though, too, is that you kind of deny it that this is actually happening to you.
		But there's little signs like when I got married, my wife was home and she said she saw one at the corner of her eye.
		And when she turned around, she just felt frozen.
		And then I walked in through the door.
		When I walked in the door, I saw something pass by me, but I didn't see anything.
		Another time has been six months ago where I felt that something was looking at me, and I happened to wake up.
		It was like 3.20, and my hall light was on, and I go to the hall, and my younger son, who's three, he said, Daddy, they're gone.
		And I said, who's gone?
		And he goes, they're gone.
		And so they come and they go.
		But if you don't want them to interfere with your life, they won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why do you even think they're in your life?
		What I'm trying to do is determine whatever these are, whether they're our friend or our foe, whether they're here to do us good or whether mankind should be fighting with every inch of strength and weapons that he can muster to fight this.
		I mean, it's an important question.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
		And the thing is, though, is that it's like everything in life, though.
		There's a good and there's a bad.
		And it's the same thing in their realm, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think others have said that perhaps it's a battle for our souls?
unidentified		I really do believe that.
		One of us wants us to get to the next level, the battle for our souls.
		Because I know the way I think, I'm always thinking about 30 different things at the same time.
		I'm an IT professional, but I'm thinking about my family.
		I'm thinking how the world's going.
		I'm concerned about what people think in general about everybody else.
		And I notice people that have a tendency to think that way seem to get affected more by aliens.
		But that's my perception.
		Now, the other thing, too, is there's some aliens that are just like bad people.
		They just are out there.
		They don't want you to get ahead.
		They're jealous of your emotions, of the ability to love, or the ability to think ahead.
		I don't know, but I feel like they're trying to create what we have because they don't have it.
		And I think it's the soul, basically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call.
		There's somebody who thinks actually the human emotion of jealousy is at play in one of these groups.
		That's a new one.
		I don't think that I've heard that word used associated with alien behavior ever before, jealousy.
		First time caller line or on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, hello, Art.
		Yes, hi.
		I really do believe that I was visited.
		I can't tell you whether they're good or bad because it's kind of a, you can't tell.
		I'll just tell you what happened.
		I was reading a magazine book.
		I was in my bedroom.
		And I always sleep with my light on.
		And I heard this noise that made me look up.
		And there were these things that, when I say things, because they looked like about six to seven inch worms upright.
		Worms.
		They were black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Upright worms.
unidentified		Upright worms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does a worm, I mean, I'm picturing in my head.
unidentified		Like if somebody were holding a snake and it's moving around.
unidentified		Only it's about thin like a worm, like a, think of just a worm, and they're moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to picture in my mind how a worm gets purchased to be vertical.
unidentified		I don't know.
		Don't know what it was.
		All I know is I looked up and there were like four or five to the left of me and the other ones were in front of me and I was scared to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty ugly thought.
unidentified		Am I asleep?
		And I thought, no, I couldn't move my body, could not move.
		And I thought, oh, God, don't hurt me, don't hurt me.
		And I didn't hear the voice.
		I just knew they said, we're not going to hurt you.
		You're going to just feel like you're flying.
		And I looked over to the, I couldn't move my head, but I couldn't move my eyes.
		And the clock said 2.23.
		And I thought, oh, please just don't hurt me.
		Oh, dear curse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, that sounds just like something a dentist would tell you just before he puts a drill down on the porcelain, right?
unidentified		It's going to hurt a little bit, but all I know is that when they said you're going to feel like you're going to fly, the room kind of went dark, and I heard this droning noise.
		I've never heard it before.
		And I felt like I was flying, and I could feel my heart just beating.
		The next thing was all of a sudden, the room is light, they're in front of me again, and I could taste this horrible taste in my mouth.
		And the other thought was, don't worry, that taste will go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Well, you know, who put that thought there?
		I mean, the big question is, what happened to you while you were flying?
unidentified		That I don't know.
		When I looked at the clock again, it had only been like three, two, three, four minutes.
		Nothing long.
		I've had this happen twice, and I hope to God it never happens again because it scared me to death.
		I was wide awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, on balance, do you have the feeling in the sense that it was a good thing that happened to you or a bad thing that happened to you?
unidentified		I would say a bad thing.
		I wouldn't want that again.
		I didn't enjoy that.
		I didn't enjoy that sound.
		I didn't enjoy the feeling that I was flying off my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And whatever in the hell the worms were doing to you whilst you flew.
unidentified		There you go.
unidentified		And I mean, why were there's, I've never seen it for one moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've taken a lot of calls.
		I've even had millions of emails, a slight exaggeration, but many tens of thousands at least.
		Never narry one worm.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the first worm lady.
unidentified		Worm lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I just, you know, that's one weird story.
unidentified		Yeah, but it's true, and I was wide awake.
		I don't do drugs.
		I don't smoke.
		And I was scared spitless.
		I truly scared out of my wits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was spitless, you said, right?
unidentified		Yes, spitless.
		Spitless.
		That's what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you swear on all that you believe and know and your mama that all this is true, right?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		And you are, like I said, the only one I have ever told this to because it sounds like I'm Looney Toons.
		It happened, like I said, and it was only over in that one house, and it happened twice.
		And I was scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you're not Looney Tunes, and I appreciate your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to go.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thank you.
		And BNA BNA BNAB and that's all for this hour, folks.
		We'll be right back.
		Actually, this is very serious.
		We're talking about those who have been taken.
		Since that's popularized right now, let's use it.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now there are some aliens I'd like to meet.
unidentified		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		To reach out on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nights.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, they could really do it, can't they?
		Free Sisters from Spain very pleasant aliens.
		And I think they're probably not dangerous.
		We'll be right back.
		Once again, into the night and the unknown, we go.
		And what we're doing is, in case you're just catching up with us in the middle of the night here, we're taking calls from people who have had actual physical encounters with alien beings.
		Those are the only calls we're taking.
		So last night, you just sit back, relax, and listen.
		And here we go.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
		Good evening, morning, whatever.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Pam, and I had contact with five of the grays.
		I had a partner at the time that had lots of experience from the time of childhood.
		And I'm real, real curious, and so in my mind's eye, I kind of invited them into my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		One night I was sleeping, and I woke up, and I couldn't open my eyes.
		I knew they were there.
		I could see them telepathically.
		I communicated them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that you were not, I mean, you were in bed.
		You did have your eyes closed.
		How do you know you didn't dream this?
unidentified		Well, my dog growled and jumped down off of the bed and growled at one that was standing at the foot of the bed.
		And then one came over and sat on the edge of the bed with me.
		I was absolutely paralyzed with fear.
		And I had taken some spirituality classes.
		And I remember my teacher saying, only let love and light in.
		And so I asked them, are you of the light?
		And what I got from them was they were real pragmatic and said that they were neither good nor bad, but they did other entities' bidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you consider that to be the right or the wrong answer?
unidentified		Well, when they couldn't say they were either, then to me that meant they weren't of the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		basically in my mind I was uninviting them out of my life and the other entities I ask You don't think they were friendly at all, do you?
unidentified		Well, I think they did whatever bidding.
		I mean, they were so pragmatic that they didn't have a judgment on right or wrong.
		They were contracted somehow to do other entities bidding, and they had no judgment on whether it was right or wrong.
		And when they couldn't tell me that they were of the light...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, most of us, all of us, really do somebody else's bidding in the end, don't we?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But we still make a judgment on whether it's right or wrong, but they weren't making that judgment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		I uninvited them, but I still had them come once in a while to my house.
		I could feel that they were in my house, and when I was waking, when I would be sitting in my office, I knew there was one in the other room, and I just kept uninviting them and telling them they weren't welcome, they weren't of the light.
		And so finally, I haven't had any contact maybe for nine months or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right.
		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		You know, this really begs an interesting question, doesn't it?
		As you listen to the encounters that we're getting, not very many involve classic saucers or spaceships or anything of the sort, do they?
		They almost would have to be classified, or almost have to be classified more as spiritual encounters than alien encounters.
		I mean, there's no way to really pin this down to aliens.
		Except perhaps in a couple of cases, you know, we're from the 80s or whatever.
		Otherwise, they seem to be falling almost in the spiritual encounter category.
unidentified		And maybe that's the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the answer is that they're not really alien in origin.
		They're not really alien in the sense of a spaceship coming through light years of space and time to reach us.
		But there's something that's here or just beyond here as in another dimension.
		Milkard Lion, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes?
		Yes.
		I've just been listening to the show tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've been hearing what all the people have been saying.
		And I tell you, the experience that I've had doesn't really seem to be very much like anything that I've heard anyone talk about.
		First of all, I'd like to comment on what you just said a moment ago about a spiritual encounter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just commenting on the substance of what we've been hearing tonight so far.
unidentified		Well, I tell you, I've listened to the show tonight, and I tell you what, nothing I've heard tonight at all sounds anything like what has happened to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's hear your story.
unidentified		Well, I'm not going to give a big long thing.
		I'm going to jump right to the chase.
		I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma in the 1960s.
		In the late summer, well, I guess it'd be late spring, early summer of 1968.
		There was a lot of sightings around Tulsa.
		During that period of time, I was about 17, 18 years old.
		I used to go out driving a lot at night.
		And Tulsa was a city at that time that really hadn't grown far out toward the Big Spee area, which is more to the south and southeast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're not quite jumping right to it.
unidentified		I'm just saying that was a rural area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
unidentified		The Arkansas River runs through the center of Tulsa.
unidentified		You know, about 13 miles down from downtown Tulsa used to be a place called 131st and Sheridan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, try to jump right to it if you could.
unidentified		I used to go in that rural area and go driving by myself at night.
		During one of those drives, I found myself being, I guess what you would have to say, being followed as I was going through this wooded area while driving on a roadway.
		And the very next thing that I remember, you know, I was being approached by two beings.
		They looked the same, but they were real shiny type of light type of beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were in your car and you were driving.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you were approached, where were you?
unidentified		All I remember is that I was driving.
		I saw something coming up behind the car in the trees like a light.
		And then the very next thing I know, I'm on the side of the road.
		The car is dead.
		And these two beings are standing outside the car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And then the next thing, they're real, they're like light people.
		You know what I mean?
		They shine like a fluorescent type of look.
		And the next thing, I was aboard, and I know that they did some sort of examinations on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They took you on board a craft?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember how you got there, or were you just suddenly there?
unidentified		It felt like I was moved there.
unidentified		It was kind of a feeling where it made you sick at your stomach, where you really couldn't move or move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the feeling.
		All right.
		And so you're on board a craft, and they did some kind of examination on you?
unidentified		Yes.
		And I know that they did various kinds of things with various kinds of instruments and things like that.
		And they told me that I can't have children.
		And that is true.
		I didn't know it.
		But that is true.
		I've never been able to have children because I am sterile.
		But, you know, the whole entire thing about this, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they sterilized you or that they simply determined that you were infertile?
unidentified		I think they determined it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so did that.
		somebody called earlier with diabetes and thought that in essence they were rejected because they had diabetes.
		Do you believe you were...
unidentified		And I think, yes, I think I was rejected because of my sterility, you know, not being able to reproduce.
		I think that's the thing.
		And the whole process of it, I mean, the feelings, I mean, you know, what makes me believe that some of the people that I've heard talk about it may not have had an experience that I have had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had been tested positive for being fertile, what do you think would have happened?
		They would have taken sperm or what?
		They did.
		Well, I think so.
		That's how they did it.
unidentified		They took blood.
		They did something to my eyes.
		They something up my nose.
		They did a number of things to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All this to determine you're shooting blanks.
unidentified		I don't know if that was the reason, but I know that I was told, and I mean, all of this is in, you know, it's like telepathy, that I would never have children, is what one said.
		But now these people that took me, the ones out on the roadway that were real shiny and bright and fluorescent looking, that wasn't the same people that are on the ship.
		The people that what I have come to be familiar with is from what other people said that were called grays.
		That's the ones that were inside.
		I tell you what, they don't look like, I mean, the one what I saw doesn't look like anything I've seen in pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they'd probably be doing the bidding of those who were in the ship.
		I mean, that's a pretty good guess, right?
		They got you there.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But you know, Art, the one thing that I would like for your listeners to really understand about an experience like this, and they say, well, you know, I've only told a couple of people about this, and that's been a long time ago, 30 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one thing would be what?
unidentified		Is that the experience is like a near-death experience going to the dentist and also being in a firefight in a battle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there's no way, I wouldn't even bother to ask.
		I mean, going to the dentist, being in a firefight in a battle, all of the very worst human experiences you can imagine.
		I don't know about dentistry, but for me, it's been that way.
		There's no way that can be considered a positive experience.
		Not in my mind, and obviously not in his as well.
		I'd say we're running about a half and a half.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is Belle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is Belle.
unidentified		I was waked up one morning at, you know, like 2 o'clock in the morning.
		The little fellow was just tall enough that his head was over my mattress.
		I woke up and he was rubbing my face.
		He had love in his hands.
		Love.
		And he asked me, did I want to go with him?
		And I told him, yeah, but I got to go to the bathroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, before we get to that problem, let's get back to the How do you know it was love?
unidentified		It was just, I don't know, just a feeling of love.
unidentified		It was just, he rubbed my face, and it just was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you felt love?
unidentified		Yeah, I just felt the love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Felt love, yes.
unidentified		But when I started to go to the bathroom, there was another little fella, the same size as the little fellow that came to my bed in the corner, like he was afraid of me.
		So I got out of the bathroom and came back, and we went through the ceiling.
		I got up the next morning, and I looked to see if there were any windows open, any doors open, or anything.
		And we went through the ceiling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it like going through the ceiling?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel anything?
unidentified		No, I didn't feel anything at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pass right, sailed right through it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, and then I'd find myself like walking to this huge thing.
		But before they came to me in the night, I went out in the yard in the daytime, and this huge UFO was in the backyard, about 15 feet up above my trailer.
		And I could have touched them.
		So I started waving at them, and I went to get my Polaroid camera to take pictures of the waving in like a friendly way.
		Yeah, I was waving at the little fellow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that.
unidentified		Yeah, I was waving at him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me get the Polaroid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you ran for your Polaroid.
unidentified		So I went in the trailer to get the Polaroid to take a picture of this huge UFO that was right up above my trailer in my backyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got a picture you can send me then.
unidentified		No.
		Oh.
		When I took the picture, all my Polaroid took the picture of was the air conditioner came out.
		Well, you mean the air conditioner on the ship or you mean your air conditioner?
		My window air conditioner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your window air conditioner.
unidentified		That picture came out, but that's all.
unidentified		Not the UFO at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, just your air conditioner.
unidentified		So I called to my neighbor across the street.
		I said, look at the UFO.
		Look at the UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I said, can you see it?
		And she said, no.
		I said, girl, if you can't see that UFO, I said, you're blind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		she didn't say, hey, it just looks like an air conditioner to me, did she?
unidentified		No, she was just looking at the sky like I was.
		And so, anyway, I went on the UFO.
		It was huge.
		It was like thousands of people were lined up on this UFO.
		And so I talked to, I didn't see the little fellas anymore.
		I walked down to an office with two ladies on each side of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is an office in a UFO?
unidentified		Yeah, with a woman on each arm.
unidentified		Now, it was two women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were these provided to you by those on the craft, or did they come with you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The women.
unidentified		They just showed up and they took me on the side like escorts.
unidentified		Like a little indention, and it had like a podium, like a minister's podium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sounds like they're about to force you to get married.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I went and I looked at this map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like, pick one of these two, and here come the vows.
unidentified		Yeah, two women, and I looked at this map with them, and I said, let me show you where I'm from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you point at?
unidentified		And I pointed to Louisiana.
unidentified		I said, oh, there's Louisiana right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a thought that there might be Louisiana.
unidentified		But the shoe, the point of the boot of the Louisiana on that map was cut off.
		And that's been years ago.
		So I said, well, Louisiana, we're losing some of the ground around the waters and all.
		So this is a map that was years ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, you believe that there's doom coming for Louisiana?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at least that was the boot part of Louisiana.
unidentified		Yeah, the boot part was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's bad.
unidentified		Just like it's gone, you know, the...
		And so anyway, I saw a doctor standing up there in doctors the long straight shirt, and he had on the pants and all.
		And I pointed my fingers at him, and I said, will you promise me something?
		And he was thinking, I'm listening.
		And I said, promise me?
		And so he said, yes.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Promise you what?
unidentified		Well, I wanted to ask him if he would help us.
		I said, God wants you to help us.
		Will you promise me that you'll help us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning, when you said that, did you mean mankind in general, all of mankind?
		What were you talking about?
		Help who?
unidentified		Help the earth people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earth people.
		Yes.
		All right.
unidentified		So, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he promise?
unidentified		He extended his hands like Jesus does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He held his hands down by his side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once again, you felt love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you felt love, sir.
unidentified		His arms were up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you felt love, right?
unidentified		And so he...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you felt love, right?
unidentified		Huh?
		Did you feel love?
		Boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you feel love?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yes!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's all I wanted to know.
unidentified		He felt love.
unidentified		The little ones and the big ones, he felt love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, open lines, truly a portal into a different world, wouldn't you admit?
unidentified		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get back to it in a moment.
		Stay right where you are.
		Now, don't forget, tomorrow night, technically tonight, Dr. David Jacobs is going to be here.
		And Dr. Jacobs is a very welcome interview because he's a very different kind of interview.
		Almost inevitably, all the guests I've had, at least 97%, have on balance thought that these visitors have nothing but our best intentions in mind.
		I mean, that really is the common view, particularly of those you would have on As expert guests of one sort or another, Dr. Jacobs is the very first to come along and say the exact opposite.
		His book is The Threat.
		He now has a new book, I'm sure.
		We'll talk of that as well.
		But I think that point of view, when you get down to the serious sticks and stones of this, should be considered by all of you.
		No matter how you feel about the experience you had, you need to imagine that there's a possibility you're being lied to, tricked, or otherwise deceived.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Mr. Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		It's nice to get through to you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you did.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		Seattle, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My name is Howard.
		Howard, all right.
		And what you were just saying on the air to your listeners, I feel that they're just there to let us know that they're there and it's not so much a threat, but it's kind of like Big Brother is watching you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why is Big Brother watching?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously, first of all, you've had some kind of personal experience, I guess.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell us about that.
unidentified		I had only one.
		I was a young lad.
		This was approximately, because I didn't document it in 1957 or 58.
		My sister and I used to walk to grade school about two and a half city blocks from our house.
		And this is a classic.
		And I want to ask you, before you disconnect at the end of the conversation, for your comment, if you could give me some advice on what to do about this.
		Okay, here it is.
		We came up the hill about 45-degree angle, turned right, and there we were.
		I was probably in about the third grade.
		My sister was in the sixth grade.
		And we saw the planet Mars about 50 times the size of the Moon directly in the horizon straight ahead.
		And you could see the ice caps.
		You could see all the detail.
		And it was all there as crystal clear as you could imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You both saw this.
unidentified		Yes, we both saw it.
		As God is my witness, I'm not making this up.
		And I'm just wondering if anybody has ever seen anything like this before.
		And I just feel a little bit about the book, A Wrinkle in Time.
		Something is about to happen.
		And when we look back in our lives, we can see a whole lot of time condensed into a capsule that we're closer to things that we realize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I'll give you my thoughts.
		You know, maybe you did trip through some little moment in time, and maybe you saw a time on Earth when something was approaching our planet.
		Maybe it was Mars, maybe it wasn't.
		You'd be a little young to make that judgment, I would say.
		But it may be that you saw something that was coming toward our planet, or was very close to our planet, and perhaps you had a vision of what is to be.
		Well, there's something about planet.
		What was it?
unidentified		Planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		X. Yeah, Planet X. Maybe that was a Planet X moment you had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello there, Art.
		My name is Ruben.
		I'm calling from southern Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ruben.
unidentified		A long time listener.
		Glad to get through to you.
		I am a MUFON field investigator, authorized by John Schusler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a MUFON investigator, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've been interested in this field for some years.
unidentified		And what really interested me in 1991, I had a really remarkable encounter that caught my attention here in southern Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		I saw, we saw, I have two witnesses with me, and we saw seven spherical objects in formation pass over us in the evening when we were sitting in the hot springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have some sort of encounter with these?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what sort of encounter?
unidentified		And I was marveling at what might have happened, and there seemed to be a little time warp, but there was a lady appeared, and a very beautiful lady.
unidentified		And she got in the hot water with me, and she was there smiling at me for a few minutes, maybe ten minutes, it's hard to know, and with much compassion and very beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was your alien hot tub experience?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps you have contributed to the genetic makeup of that beautiful alien woman who joined you in the hot tub.
		Well, that is to say, you combine genetically with her to create something that now walks and talks, maybe.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relatively.
unidentified		This will be upstate New York, 1970.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I want to say October because it was getting on snowy kind of days, very cold, and we're all in kind of ski jackets and things like that, you know, parkers and that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We approached a woman who was outstanding.
unidentified		We knew something was extremely different about her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did she look like she had just come from a hot tub?
unidentified		No, quite the opposite.
		She looked, I can tell it, I'm going to try to describe it, but I'm not going to be able to.
		We snapped a U-turn and followed her, and we could not believe, because there's no adjectives in the English language to describe her.
		She was only perfect is the closest thing you can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A definite 10.
unidentified		No, like 100.
		100.
		She had stature.
		She was 5'8, 5'9.
		Walk straight, proud, as if she was a princess and somebody had just told her the world was just hers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So good, so good, she couldn't have been a human woman.
unidentified		Exactly.
		So good, it was not believable.
		Now, she had on iridescent clothes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		And you could almost swear you could see through the clothes.
unidentified		They were that thin, but they were like mother of pearl color, like mostly white, but some little colors in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Damn near see-through, though.
unidentified		But we thought, you know, being young men, we thought we could see through it, but you couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
		Now, we weren't the only ones that saw her.
		She stopped traffic in both directions.
		Guys were getting out of cars.
		Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you, what leads you to believe that she really wasn't a human woman other than her?
unidentified		All I can say is if you saw her and what she was wearing and how the coldness did not bother her, she was like walking down the street on a summer day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, more shocking than seeing Cher coming down the street.
unidentified		More shocking than seeing Marilyn Monroe come down the road naked.
		It was definitely unbelievable.
		That's what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this does seem to revolve around the reproductive cycle.
unidentified		No, well, I could tell you another encounter that's very bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, you know, having heard number one, I'm not really inclined.
		But I appreciate your call.
		And we'll save number two.
		We'll save number two.
		Yeah, thank you very much.
		We'll save number two for a future program after January 1st.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
unidentified		Wonderful.
unidentified		I first spoke to you about five years ago in 97, and you needed corroboration on the lights over Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, oh my.
unidentified		Okay, I sent you an email just a few ago at artballpinespring.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And in it detailed the events that happened after the lights were forced from the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think most all of this audience knows about the Phoenix lights affair, and affair is the right word for it.
		Boy, what a happening.
		What goes beyond what we know, sir, that you know?
unidentified		Well, beyond what you know is I was an airman assigned to the Security Police Squadron at Luke Air Force Base.
		And I was given the task of guarding what they brought in that night.
		Oh, from what I saw, it was very sinister.
		It was not at all what I would depict as friendly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe what you saw as best you're able.
unidentified		Well, without violating any national security agreements that I've since signed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		Anytime there's an incident, you must sign this, and you can never speak of certain things.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell us as much as you feel you can.
unidentified		Basically, the craft that they brought in was, to the best of my ability, I could describe it as being like an oblong pear-shaped craft that was completely enshrouded in like a skin, a translucent type of skin.
		Looking back on that, it was very odd because there was a weird harmonics that came off this particular craft.
		When they parked the craft in what's known as a hardened aircraft shelter, or a has, the has is protected by three things.
		It has a lead shield to protect against radiation.
		And there's a two-stage entry, meaning to get to the aircraft, you have to go through like an airlock type entry.
		It's shrouded by two heavy, very heavy lead doors.
		I was one of the airmen on duty that night, and I happened to be posted out there when they brought this in.
		The thing that makes it look most sinister, though, was the fact that it was a very, very dark aircraft.
		By dark, I mean the shape, the ominous feeling that came from it.
		The fact that, you know, members of the Air Force had just brought this thing in, and it was being widely reported in the news media.
		And, of course, you know because you got the blanket denials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I broke my silence five years ago to tell you those denials were false.
unidentified		And not to say that I believe in the paranoia hype and the men in black and people chasing me, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what they brought in.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		I had the pleasure of seeing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea what became of this craft or whether there were any occupants that were discovered?
unidentified		There were three occupants that were in the craft.
		Oh.
		The only thing that I know was that we had an ambulance that backed up to the Hardened Aircraft shelter, and three bodies were put aboard and taken very quickly away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bodies.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Implying already assuming earth temperature.
unidentified		In other words, I'm assuming they were either not living or they were very close to critical.
unidentified		Because what Little does not know is there was indeed a crash that night, and that's about as much as I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's already enough to get you a trip to Leavenworth.
		I mean, if they could really figure out who you are, if what you're telling me really is true.
		I mean, you do realize all that, right?
unidentified		Mr. Bell, I do.
		I've listened to your show since that night, and I'm sure you've probably heard the wild, far-out story for which I've heard quite a few tonight.
		But I can assure you, this is the truth, and I wouldn't be risking my freedom if the public didn't have a right to know this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One of the core question that I've been trying to answer through the night, you can take a crack at it, too.
		I mean, it really is a doggone important question.
		Whatever these things are, wherever they're from, and for whatever reason they're here, I need to know, want to know, whether you think you have a strong sense that they're benign or malevolent or what do you think they are?
		What are their intentions toward us?
		Nothing is more important than that.
unidentified		to be strictly honest with you.
unidentified		The feeling I got was very ominous, very dark, foreboding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think that was just because you were scared?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you were in a situation that you were very unfamiliar with, and that breeds fear.
unidentified		I've been on frontline battle lines before, and I didn't feel the way I felt that night.
unidentified		It was just an innate sense like I want to say my gut feeling was saying, okay, this is a very, very bad thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling us all an awful lot more happened the night of the Phoenix lights than just the lights.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your calling.
		I appreciate your telling us the story, and I would appreciate a follow-up at my email address, which you know, artbell at mindspring.com.
		Was to the Rockies?
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just calling to say that I hope that, you know, you just came out with this new product line.
unidentified		You got to come out with the gray away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		We need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, when you come in as close a contact with the aliens as people like Eric Cartman, you've got to have the gray away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I remember what kind of contact Eric had.
		I think we all do.
		Sorry, sir.
		I watch a lot of South Park.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		I was just calling about what I seen something.
		I guess it was probably about three weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw something three weeks ago.
unidentified		Yeah, something three weeks ago.
		I was in my backyard and I was bent over to mess around in the garden.
		And what gave me an idea to call somebody we called earlier about a pig-looking object or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that came out of a sewer.
		With a sort of a human face.
		It was an ugly-sounding little creature.
		That struck a bell with you?
		Yes, yes.
		Because why?
		West of the Rockies call toll-free.
		1-800-618-8255.
		Interesting.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
unidentified		Let me turn on my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		We don't have a lot of time.
		Where are you calling from?
		California.
		Okay.
unidentified		Hey, it's a wild night.
		Jesus.
		Yeah, it's sort of strange that there's a lot of people that have had experiences with UFOs and have subconsciously been given information in their mind.
		It's weird.
		A lot of these people who claim to be psychics or whatever have been experienced by these so-called aliens or whatever they are.
		But I'll briefly make you this real quick.
		I've known about particular aspects of what's going on with the Middle Eastern war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's much bigger than what most people really realize.
unidentified		It's so big that just before this war breaks out, like back in the first Desert Storm War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does this have to do with contact with aliens, out of curiosity?
unidentified		That there was something a long time ago that crash-landed in Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Iraq?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		in Iraq.
		Our government's been trying to get That's right.
unidentified		It's been hidden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a new one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it does, to some people, seem like our president wants war to the degree that he is looking for any sort of pretext to begin it.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		They have a lot of people who have been monitoring that area because something crashed in that general vicinity a while back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How sure of this are you?
unidentified		Well, I've heard the rumors from other military people out there.
		It's such a big project.
		Watch this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other military people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you military?
unidentified		I've worked around a specific military people.
unidentified		I can get into detail about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't need detail, but you're really seriously proposing that we all believe the reason we're about to have a war with Iraq is because we want some sort of alien artifact that's in Iraq.
unidentified		We're worried about them reversing some of the technology and becoming a dominant power.
		But to show you something that is seriously what's going on, watch, this is really amazing.
		Last time the war, they wanted, because of Kennedy, the Vietnam War, how people protested, there's a gigantic global project to keep people from fighting the war effort.
		Back when we first initiated it, the first time, Desert Storm, we had a mass, it was basically a SIAP, a mind control project with spraying chemicals.
		You remember the melathion spraying that was going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, they're going to institute in the news pretty soon, they're going to start saying that med flies have just encountered different spots of the United States, and they're going to start spraying again.
unidentified		That spraying was a cover for a PSIOP on a two-part mind control project to keep us from protesting the war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		All right, listen, I've got to go.
		I'm sorry.
		That is all the time we've got until tomorrow night, when again, we'll take this subject up.

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