Dr. Steven Greer dismisses hostile alien claims as propaganda, citing suppressed energy tech like zero-point devices and 1950s CIA disinformation—including Wilbur Smith’s memo comparing UFO secrecy to the hydrogen bomb. Callers recount conflicting encounters: benevolent "light people" performing medical exams (e.g., a sterile caller’s roadside visit), paranoid entities warning of nuclear disasters, and malevolent beings like those at Luke AFB’s 1997 Phoenix Lights crash. Some link abductions to genetic manipulation or military mind-control projects (SIAP/PSIOP), while Greer argues interactions may involve human-made ARVs or psychological warfare, urging skepticism before assuming extraterrestrial motives. [Automatically generated summary]
From the hi desert and the great American Southwest video, good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all the world's time zones, and we do cover them all.
Now I'm going to tell you why I'm going to do that.
Because tonight and tomorrow night, we're going to have a couple of really interesting guests.
Who are they?
Dr. Stephen Greer tonight, who is a...
He's a very serious man, Dr. Stephen Greer of CSETI.
And he strongly, strongly takes the position that we are being visited ongoing and that we are shooting at them and it's a very poor idea because really they're not here to do us harm.
Now, tomorrow night, you're going to get the opposite point of view.
He is one of the very few in ufology who takes this point of view, but he does, and I actually may lean toward it.
I think that I lean toward it.
He is Dr. David Jacobs, and along with everything else he's written, including a new book, he has written a book called The Threat.
And The Threat basically graphically gives examples of things that were done that weren't at all friendly and does not necessarily think they have good intentions toward us at all.
So these are two very divergent points of view that you're going to get tonight and tomorrow night.
And I thought, who better to ask than those of you who have had actual contact with alien beings?
Actual, listen to my words, actual physical contact with alien beings.
You would know more than anybody about whether we should be out there welcoming the visitors with open arms and signs and, you know, the whole ball of wax and that they will come and solve our energy problems because they've got the technology and they would have.
You've got to think about that to do it.
But they haven't stepped forward yet.
I mean, we're still using the oil, right?
That'll be, you know, some of what you're going to hear from Dr. Greer this night.
And then, of course, something very different from Dr. Jacobs.
Let's open the lines for those who claim to have had actual physical contact with alien beings and get a sort of a sense from you who've been there, since most of us have not, about whether you think they're benign,
really good guys at heart, or whatever it is that pumps their juice around, or whether they've got the devil in them, so to speak, and we should not be welcoming them because we're welcoming our own doom.
So if you've had actual physical contact with an alien being, then pick any of the phone numbers and call it.
Otherwise, sit back and listen.
And then in the second hour, Dr. Greer, just one little note.
We put up a ghost photograph last night, and I was trying to be as respectful as possible from Leonard L. in Hoboken, New Jersey of his father.
And I said last night, looking at the photograph, it's the second photograph down, ghost photograph down.
It's evil.
I'm sorry, but I said it last night with apologies to Leonard.
I thought it was absolutely evil.
I'm sorry to say it's very clear to see this evil face in this stairwell in an apparently place where it's being remodeled.
Well, guess what?
Leonard tonight sent another photograph, same stairwell, but a picture of his mother, not nearly so well-defined, but a physical entity it's possible to discern nevertheless, or one in transition.
Anyway, here's what Leonard wrote when he supplied the second photograph.
Here's a picture we took last week.
This is what you'll see on the website, artbill.com.
We're getting the house ready for sale, as I said, and now mom shows up in the same staircase that dad showed up in.
See below, and he supplies a picture.
When we took the remodeling pictures in 1995, she passed away three weeks ago.
The picture was taken four days ago.
I had second prints made and had them scan it for me so I could send it to the program.
I heard the show last night.
I thought I would send you a picture of mom right away.
I wanted to make sure Keith would have time to post it before the website goes down for good.
Also, I know the picture of my father's ghost is, his words now, a little more than grumpy.
You can read this on the website.
Continuing the quote, he was not a nice man in real life, but you can't choose your father.
So I remember him as best I can in a good light.
Truth be told, He was an evil man.
I forgot to mention to Keith that my sisters and I feel the reason they show up here in the staircase is because of the fact that in the early 60s, before I and my sisters were born, my mother had a child from a previous marriage that lived with her and dad who was killed in an accident falling down the stairs.
Mom never liked to talk about it much.
Dad was, get this, folks, dad was at the top of the stairs when he fell.
Maybe mom knew the truth all those years.
He was an evil man, by the way.
I personally took both these photographs.
Never ghostly an image was visible when I snapped the camera.
These things only happen on the film.
They only seem to happen here at the staircase.
None of the other pictures we've ever taken of the house show anything like this.
Now, this letter and more and both photographs are on my website, artbell.com, under first item under what's new.
I thought you should see that for sure.
In the meantime, I'm going to go fishing on the phones early.
We're going to open these lines up right away, and I'm going to sort of blow off.
Well, there is one thing.
Headlining millions, actually 1.6 million homes in the Carolinas, that's where my mom lives, are without electricity.
1.6 million homes in the Carolinas.
The worst ice they've seen in they don't know how long in the Carolinas.
At least 22 dead are blamed on this storm.
At the same time, here, look, I get an email from Anchorage, Alaska, Elda in Anchorage, who says, Art, I was watching TV news about the weather back east, all the snow and the rest of it.
You know, I've been enjoying spring here in the Anchorage area.
We've had the warmest November on record.
The grass is still green, and we're having record-breaking warm temperatures.
We've had a few traces of snow earlier in the fall, but not a since.
There is no snow in the forecast for the next five days.
Gee, what strange weather.
That's from Anchorage, Alaska, while the power lines fall in the Carolinas.
Yes, indeed.
Strange weather, indeed.
All right, so we're going to go a fishing here, and we're going to see if any of you out there are willing, for the sake of trying to find out whether we're dealing with friendly beings or with beings that actually, in the long run, wish us ill.
And frankly, you know, I've become a little convinced that that is the case.
Otherwise, why tamper with our DNA?
You know, that seems to be a really constant theme that runs through everything, that there's tampering with DNA going on, our DNA, for whatever reason.
There is maybe weak or, you know, we've heard a million things.
But, you know, that just doesn't strike me as friendly.
And so I tend more toward Dr. Jacobs' feeling about all of this.
But I thought we'd open all the phone lines, first time caller line, east and west of the Rockies, whatever, all of them, for anybody willing to talk to us about actual physical contact with alien beings and what they were told or what they feel is the case with these creatures.
Are they friendly toward us or should we beware?
You know, it's an excellent question to try and answer as we muddle our way through this quagmire that's called ufology and all the rest of it that goes with it.
I mean, anybody with the technology to get here could do that.
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Now, what he told me, he says, for an example, in our large ship, the one that he's officer on, he says, we can travel to the farthest most star that you have ever seen with your most powerful telescope in 15 minutes of your time after we leave your gravity field.
You know, it sounds like things were happening to you.
Now, look, just if you would venture out and answer the question for me.
If you were pushed, do you think that these visitors, whatever they are, are benign and friendly to us, or do You think they are something that we should be wary of?
One who says he basically stake his reputation on theirs, and now this caller who says, uh-uh, I wouldn't say they're friendly at all.
We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour, and I continue to have all lines open for those who claim to have had physical contact with alien beings.
I'm Art Bell.
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If I could turn on the page In time, then I'd be your angel Just a page for you I was one, I was one, I was
one, I was one But I couldn't find a way So I'll settle for one day If I'm leaving you Tell me, tell me, tell me Tell me, tell me, tell me Tell me, tell me, tell me
Be it sight, sand, smell, or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak when it roots deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing, to have all these things in our memories all, and
the use of a ride?
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Those are the lines, and don't despair if you don't get through.
We're going to do this topic.
That is to say, only those of you who have had actual physical contact with alien beings claim that Art to Call.
Everybody else should sit back, relax, and enjoy the program.
In the next hour, and then for the following two hours, we're going to have Dr. Stephen Greer here.
And of course, he thinks they're rather friendly and that we're fools for shooting at them.
And if they are, we would be, you must admit.
And then tomorrow night, Dr. David Jacobs, two very different points of view on what it is that mankind is facing.
So in between, we'll take calls from you now.
We'll have Dr. Greer for two hours.
And then in the final hour, we will continue to do exactly this.
Take these exact calls.
So don't despair if you don't get through.
There'll be an opportunity in the last hour of the show, and then perhaps tomorrow night as well in the open lines segment.
stay right where you are Once again, to the phones, and once again, we continue to take calls only from those who claim actual physical contact with alien beings.
You're on the earth on the first time caller line.
Well, this has been ongoing for probably since about, oh, probably been about 14 years.
And I don't know, maybe before that, I saw some objects, and then from that point on, from the objects in the sky, there were beings that would come and they would talk to me.
They would come into the house.
And they were peaceful.
They were peaceful beings.
But they did warn that there are beings that do wish to do harm to people because they're warlike.
I wanted to tell you about an incident that happened to me that makes me wonder if the UFOs or the people or whatever they want to call themselves are coming from space or they're coming from other dimensions.
I used to live on Capitol Hill, and I was asleep one night, and I heard so much noise, so much noise in my living room, and it woke me up.
And when I woke up, there was this tall, tall, tall, I guess I'm going to say man because I don't know, but it wasn't a man, being standing at the foot of my bed.
He was very, very dark and not human.
And you couldn't see his eyes.
And it frightened me so, so much.
I was so terrified, but I heard his thoughts, and he said, oh, my goodness, we've woken her up.
And then in a minute, he was right beside my bed, right beside my cheek.
And I could feel the energy of his body.
And all I could think to do was to say, you know, this is too much for me.
I couldn't talk or couldn't move, but my thoughts were saying, this is too much for me, God.
If you need me to talk to whoever's in my room, they have to do it in my dreams.
I cannot wake up in the middle of the night and see things in my room.
Well, when I woke up the next morning, because instantly I was gone.
When I woke up the next morning, I remember I jumped out of my bed because of the amount of noise, I was really angry at my neighbors for not coming down or I live sort of like in townhouses and saying, why is there so much noise?
And I thought they should come to help me.
So I wanted to know what could make that amount of noise.
And I ran to my living room and I saw that my door was still locked from the inside.
And then I turned and I saw my fireplace.
And that's where whatever came from.
My fireplace and what they had on was very strange.
The big question of the night is, and you're welcome to contribute, is it your sense they're friendly or hostile?
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Well, you just put a question in my head, you know, what would have happened if I woke up.
But because he seemed so concerned, and I felt that his energy when he came and stood beside me, even though I was still terrified, I felt they didn't want to hurt me.
But to make this call, you've got to be sure about it, sir, because we're wanting to know about the intentions of the visitors, and how could you know about them if you didn't communicate with them in some manner?
unidentified
Okay, a few weeks after the light experience, the one time I got to see what all the hoopla was about, there was an event that happened.
I had what I thought was an accident in broad daylight walking home from school.
I thought I just fell and got right back up.
But there was a change in time.
Apparently there had been a passage of time I wasn't aware of and I got on home.
My parents were worried.
Apparently I was really late.
But nobody had bothered to stop and call the cops and tell them that I was laying there in the road, in the alley, whatever.
This all just continually happened with no interference.
Later on, I began to feel this sense of rejection.
Like, You know, oh, pity the poor guy, he doesn't qualify.
It took me 30 years later to realize that an apparent possible rejection was my potential for diabetes.
All right, well, look, what we're trying to answer with all of this is whether we're facing a threat or whether we're facing something that we should embrace and is going to help mankind.
And I'm trying to figure out how your story helps us answer that question.
unidentified
Well, I reached down to what happened is he put his hands up when he looked at me, he put his hands up to his face and he screamed.
He let out that scream like he was embarrassed for me to see him.
And I reached down to grab him because I thought that he wasn't really hostile.
He looked like he was very frightful and he was in a lot of trouble or in a lot of pain or something.
First of all, I'll tell you that I didn't think that the experience I had was a very friendly one.
It was very invasive.
I was about eight, nine years old, and I was awoken in the middle of the night, and I just remember sitting up and looking out my window, which was over my bed, and it was extremely, it was like daylight, and I knew it was the middle of the night, and I thought something was wrong.
I thought maybe it's the streetlight, you know, and it wasn't.
And next thing I knew, I turned my head.
I mean, it was weird.
It was kind of like I had memories and flashes.
There were these two beings standing at the foot of my bed.
And I mean, I tried to scream.
I couldn't scream.
I tried to get out of my bed, and I was frozen.
I couldn't move.
And it was one of those telepathic things, again, they said, don't worry, we don't want to hurt you.
Well, you know, see, this is a really common thread, that there appears to be something that a lot that has to do with reproduction, with genetics, and we seem to be, with all due respect to my last caller,
the guinea pigs we seem to be the guinea pigs and you know I think there's a really hard open question about whether we're facing friends or we're facing something rather sinister that we better not welcome with open arms.
It's a damn important question.
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Yeah, well and these beings too they I don't know if you could call them grays because I really don't have any idea from my experience how tall they were.
But there were similarities to how grays are described or photos you've seen.
unidentified
They had large eyes, they didn't have ears, they had like holes in their, you know, very large heads.
Yeah, and kind of just slits for mouths and they didn't really have a nose.
It was just kind of a very strange, you know.
What scared me was when I got older and the book Communion came out, I just had a very, it's like everything came to me when I saw the cover on that book.
I mean, they essentially were surprised and shocked and not necessarily happy that she, you know, woke up.
I wasn't happy at all no I was terrified you know and I think I had a lot of nightmares and a lot of them so if you were asked friend or foe your answer is foe huh definitely I appreciate your call hunt thank you thank you all right so much for this hour we'll be back with Dr. Stephen Greer and we'll do another hour of this toward the end of the program I'm Art Bell I've been aware the eagle flies rode his wings across all the skies kissed
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The sun touched the moon, but he left me much too soon, his Lady Bird.
He left his Lady Bird.
Lady Bird, come on down.
I'm here waiting on the ground.
Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
Once upon a time, the old wildest dream.
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He's got a plane to catch or things to do in the morning, very important things.
And so he tells me he actually only agreed to an hour.
They had word to me that it was two hours, but that's okay because we're going to continue to do what we did in the first hour following Dr. Greer's appearance here in a moment.
We'll continue to take those calls and get a sort of a sense of exactly what it is we're facing from all of you.
Dr. Stephen Greer is the founder and director of the Disclosure Project, a lifetime member of the Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society.
This is a very serious man.
Dr. Greer is an emergency room physician, a former chairman of the Department of the Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital on May 9th, 2001.
As director of the Disclosure Project.
Dr. Greer presided over the Disclosure Project press conference from the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. Over 20 military, government, and intelligence and corporate witnesses presented compelling testimony regarding the existence of extraterrestrial life forms visiting this planet and the reverse engineering of the energy and propulsion systems of these craft.
Over 1 billion people heard of the press conference or heard it through the webcast and subsequent media coverage on the BBC, CNN, CNN Worldwide, VOA Pravda, Chinese media, even the Chinese throughout Latin America.
The webcast had 250,000 people waiting online.
The largest webcast in the history of the National Press Club, Dr. Greer has released his new book, Disclosure, Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History.
The book contains explosive testimony from military, government, and intelligence and corporate witnesses with insightful commentary by Dr. Greer.
Dr. Greer has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations here in the U.S. and around the world, including senior CIA officials, joint chiefs of staff, White House staff, senior members of Congress and Congressional committees, senior U.N. leadership and diplomats, and senior military officials in the United Kingdom and Europe.
Dr. Greer is married.
He and his wife have four daughters, and they reside in the Charlottesville, Virginia area.
In a moment, Dr. Greer.
Well, through interesting means, the question we are dealing with tonight is whether these visitors, these visitors, are friend or foe.
And I think it would serve to begin the conversation with Dr. Greer by asking him what he thinks, friend or foe, or is that just too simplified a way to even ask it?
Well, it's interesting because before Colonel Corso passed away, he told a friend of mine that an encounter he had with these life forms at the White Sands Complex.
At one point, he asked, who goes there, friend or foe?
And the extraterrestrial said neither.
And I think it's a very complex question.
Certainly, if they were foe and they were malevolent, that could have been declared.
And I think the human situation that we face would have been taken care of long before we started having weapons of mass destruction and traveling in space.
So I'm very dubious of the kind of horror mongers who would like to have the masses believe that there's some alien threat that we need to sort of fight.
I think that subserves a number of suspicious military, industrial, and corporate agendas and associated propaganda.
I mean, how easy it is to control masses of people.
And, you know, Wernher von Braun told his spokesperson before he died that there was a concerted and very clear strategy to hoax a threat from outer space so that eventually the multi-hundred billion dollar enterprise dealing with warfare could become a multi-trillion enterprise and would involve the entire human race, not just a few nations.
And I think that that kind of thinking is predictable if you're looking at these interests as huge cartels and special interests that would like to have people shivering in their beds, terrified.
Now, the facts really don't support that.
And I think that you can encounter something that can startle you or scare you.
I mean, as an emergency doctor, I've scared quite a few two-year-olds doing ear exams.
However, I wasn't there to hurt them.
And I think there are two separate issues here.
One is our reaction to the phenomenon, and the other is trying to then project our reaction to read some agenda into the phenomenon.
So I think those are two very, very different things.
Well, let me toss this your way and at least see if you can deal with it.
More times than not, Doctor, it seems to involve reproductive research, reproductive experimentation, or even suggested is some sort of genetic manipulation or experimentation.
Yes, and I think that that's a common myth, and the medical science would not support the need to drag me and other people on board a spaceship to get a sperm sample and an ova or two, to an ovum to do this kind of experimentation.
I mean, if you understand the basic genetic structure, and we've pretty much close to cracking the human genome here by Homo sapiens doing it, humans, I'm quite certain interstellar-competent civilizations would hardly need to be doing those sort of things.
So this is not to say that people haven't had close encounters with craft and peoples from other worlds, but I think there's this large overlay of rather suspicious things going on.
For example, unless someone knows, and I'm going to throw out some acronyms here, you know, what ARVs, PLS, and psychotronic weapon systems are, I don't think they can evaluate an experiencer and know whether or not they encountered a human or a non-human situation.
For example, we know that since at least the late 50s and early 60s, we have had what are called alien reproduction vehicles manufactured by humans.
They sure look like something from outer space.
We also know from a number of witnesses that I'm dealing with that we have created things that are kind of lookalike creatures that look like extraterrestrials that are man-made.
And we also know that there are very sophisticated electronic weapon systems that can alter awareness and alter experience.
So these things used together can kind of simulate or hoax a lot of things.
And I think they have.
One of the things that worries me about this whole area of discussion is that you have to back up, take a deep breath, and look and say who would benefit from putting out a tremendous amount of false information, which would do several things.
First of all, it would hide the real phenomenon that's going on.
Secondly, it would spin the phenomenon in a xenophobic direction that would subserve a number of agendas that I mentioned earlier.
And I think the other thing it would do would be to be off-putting to people.
A lot of people, you know, really kind of get turned off by all that kind of stuff.
It would very much subserve that, but it would also do a couple other things.
It would be preparatory to what Wernher von Braun and a number of other well-placed top secret witnesses that I've met with have told me, and that's this sort of an agenda to eventually present to the world a threat that we could unite against.
And instead of fighting each other, we could look out into the space and say, hey, we've got someone else to fight.
And like in the movie Independence Day, let's go kick Alien Butt, as they said.
So I think there's a lot of manipulation that can take place through fear.
And this is why I try to, you know, I'm equally suspicious of people who want to say, oh, these are all, you know, these are people that's like angel creatures that we should be worshiping.
I think we should view them as intelligent life forms with whom we need to engage in a deliberate dialogue.
And I think that when I formed the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence in 1990, 12 years ago now, it was for the purpose explicitly of doing just that.
And I think that society needs to do more of what I call going out there and attempting contact and less of the kind of speculation and fear-mongering that goes.
Well, there are too many witnesses from diverse places within the military whose testimony, and some of this can be read at our website, disclosureproject.org, where these things have been observed and people have given testimony to that effect, and not just in the United States, but elsewhere.
And I think this is one of the real dangers of secrecy.
I think that whether you're talking about suppressing these extraordinary energy breakthroughs that could benefit the environment and eliminate poverty, or whether you're talking about this issue, the kind of secrecy and disinformation that has surrounded this subject is really very harmful to the evolution of humanity and to our future.
I think that they, you know, if you wear rose-colored glasses, you see the world in a rose-colored way.
And I think that if anything you don't fully understand or control is viewed as a priori and until proven otherwise, a threat, you will react in that way.
And I think this is one of the problems of the vacuum of secrecy.
It becomes a rather incestuous and hermetically sealed system.
they know of the most of the military the government by itself knows more about i guess who what these are and who they are and what their intentions are uh...
then we do another was a You really don't think so.
In fact, I think there are people in the civilian domain, certainly people in our team that have worked on this issue, who have a broader and better understanding of this.
There's an ambassador from Canada I'm working with who came on one of our expeditions where we train people to attempt contact with these life forms and these spacecraft who did so on his own up in Canada and had an enormous encounter.
And it was interesting because I find that there are people who seem to have an ability to break through to a bigger understanding, a larger and a more complete understanding of this, because they're not in these highly compartmented operations that have a very narrow focus or tunnel vision sort of approach.
So I wouldn't assume that the premise of your question is correct and that they would know more.
They may have more technical data, but that's different from knowledge, wisdom, or greater understanding of what's going on.
I wrote a paper a few weeks ago called DDT, and I have a friend who used to be General Odom's right-hand man.
General Odom was the head of the National Security Agency for many years, and this man literally carried his briefcase, and he works with me, and he said, you know, we have a term, DDT, and this is where you set up a decoy to distract people and then trash a subject or take them off the course.
And this is done routinely.
And I think a great deal of what's put out there is DDT.
And I tend, in that sense, be a bit of a skeptic about a great many of the positions that are taken to be conventional wisdom.
Well, I think aside from obfuscating the entire matter and just confusing people, I was talking to a member of Congress last year, and he says, you know, there's so much conflicting information.
It's too damn aggravating to look into this subject.
An investigative reporter once said to me, this is like a tar baby.
You held on to this thing, it gets sticky all over.
And I think that there's a certain amount of obfuscation that that serves.
I think the other thing, as I mentioned earlier, is the spin.
I think it enables, if you put out information that, particularly if it's spun in a direction that would present a threat and eventually build a sort of subconscious fear of all things from outer space, it would serve this larger agenda of eventually announcing that we need to put a few trillion dollars in weapons in space.
And I think that is an explicit agenda of certain quarters, and I think it's something that people need to have their eyes open to.
I think there are large numbers of people quite well, quite frankly.
I mean, I know people personally who have had contact with these life forms and have had encounters.
I don't use the term abduction because that's a criminal term, and I think it's intrinsically xenophobic, but let's just say an experience.
But I think that there are many other people who have been victims of clandestine military operations.
You know, Dr. Helmut Lammer wrote a book about the military-related abductions, and I have interviewed people inside many of the so-called abduction support groups who, as their primary experience, has revolved around military personnel commanding these things that look like alien robots, and which I have learned are human-made, doing things to them.
So I think there are several phenomena going on, and people are mistaken it as one.
You go back to 1953, and there's some very interesting documents that I got my hands on after I met with Clinton's first CIA director that talk about the psychological warfare value of this subject, and that this should be an item for the psychological warfare review board of the CIA.
And I think that these are the kinds of things that happen not infrequently.
I think some of them are in the first book, Extraterrestrial Contact, The Evidence and Implications, and certainly in our briefing materials that we have put out.
I have about 2,000 pages of these sorts of things.
Some of them were declassified after I met with CIA Director Woolsey.
And of course, many of them have been out there for years, but people have just kind of thumbed through them if you read them carefully.
Those documents are authenticated and officially released.
And this has been known for many years that a subject like this can be used for many purposes in terms of disinformation and psychological warfare.
And I think, you know, let the buyer beware.
I think people have to be cautious in kind of, you know, screaming the sky is falling when it comes to this sort of thing and need to step back and, with a dry eye, look at what part of the data supports things being what they appear to be and what part of them is some kind of a memorex or a hoaxing or a copycatting of the phenomenon.
Remember, since 1940s and 50s, we have had the ability to replicate anti-gravity, to dematerialize and rematerialize things across distances.
Extraordinary technologies that have been highly compartmented and classified.
If you take an agenda to try to hide a phenomenon or to mislead the public on something, and you have those kind of technologies in your collection of little tricks, a number of things can and predictably would be done.
And I also remind people of the Wilbur Smith memo of, I believe, 1951, when this Canadian Top Secret memo explicitly says that this was the most top secret subject in the U.S. government, and it was classified more highly than the development of the hydrogen bomb.
So if you look at that, you could understand that a number of things would be done to set people off the trail of what's really going on into a number of areas.
And all the better if it would also subserve another agenda of engendering fear or trepidation.
Yeah, and I suppose as an emergency room doctor or physician, people don't necessarily remember, you know, when they think of you and what you did to them, they don't remember you fondly necessarily.
Doctor, hold on, we'll be right back.
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All clear to me now One more time Throw my love by the wind Throw time in a spin I
gave you love I thought that we had made it to the top I gave you all I had to give Why did it have to stop?
You blow it all sky high By telling me a lie Without a reason why You blow it all sky high True.
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Well, that's an interesting point because when I asked a Navy intelligence person, a guy way back in the early 90s about this horrible thing that had been presented to me that indeed we had done such things, not just here, but all around the world, and actually had operating weapons that could reach into space for some decades.
I said, why are we doing that?
He says, well, it's like dogs teeing on fence posts marking their territory.
And I said, and he said, it's as stupid and as banal as that.
And I just, of course, my mouth dropped open.
I said, you must be joking.
He says, no, that's just how the thinking goes.
And, you know, I mean, it's believable.
If you look at how humans have behaved with each other or how one tribe has, you know, look in Africa within Rwanda where one tribe killed another tribe to the tune of at least half a million people in the past decade.
So, I mean, if you look at the kind of savagery and the kind of prejudice and tribalism that does infect so much of human behavior, it's predictable, but it's tragic.
And what I would say is that we have to kind of get over it and evolve through that kind of behavior because you can't go bamming around the universe with weapons of mass destruction and technologies that are capable of collapsing space into traveling through light years with this kind of mentality.
And I think that's one of the real dangers of the secrecy.
I think humanity can rise to a higher level of function than that.
However, so long as there's sort of an avaricious and secret entity that runs this show, that isn't going to happen.
But if you think about our guns and think about what their guns must be like to oversimplify things, why would anyone, in your own words, want a cosmic war in space and Armageddon, the very destruction of planet Earth, which is damn well what it could lead to?
course why would any with a walls so I got interested in these things.
And after I had an encounter with one of these craft and the creatures on it, I came to the conclusion that that is unlikely, that civilizations could evolve to the point of escaping their own solar system or perhaps even their own biosphere for any length of time without destroying each other unless they had socially and spiritually, if I can say so, evolved past that kind of naked aggression and violence.
And this is why I seriously doubt that that's what we're facing.
However, it's not to say that perhaps there's a big cosmic mirror being held up to us.
I mean, in the sense, and let me be clear what I mean by that, we have a situation where a society from other star systems were to observe us in the last hundred years, they would be concerned about our capacity to be some trouble out there.
So perhaps we have tried to do some things to stretch our wings out there in space and have been tossed back like a bad penny.
And I'm not so sure that that's not appropriate, but it may have angered those who would like to have stretched their wings.
And I'm hinting at something here that I have some personal knowledge about, and that is that we have tried to do some misadventures with some technologies we have that have not been very happily received.
And I think the response has been displeasing to those here on earth who would like to have done it.
And I think this is another reason why there needs to be a bigger view to this problem than can take place within the confines of the highly compartmented and ultra-secretive projects dealing with it today.
I think there are people well suited.
I'm working with a number of seasoned and very enlightened international leaders and diplomats who are interested in this, but they're routinely denied access and control over these projects.
So I think that there is, in a sense, a leadership in exile here on this planet that has been shoved out of these affairs, and I think that the people are going to have to see that that leadership is put back in place.
I mean, for all the hope that people like yourself might have had about the current administration, this has got to be the most secretive, it's generally regarded as the most secretive administration that we've had in our adult memories.
And I think that it was like that prior to 9-11 and has only gotten worse.
However, I will say that there are competing views within the current administration on this.
And again, I have some personal knowledge of this.
And I had a meeting earlier this year with one of W's friends about this issue and about the whole disclosure effort.
And there's some sympathy there.
Now, one of my concerns is that any disclosure that could be forthcoming from the U.S. government could be, again, spun in the direction of another threat that we need to all become hiding in our bunkers and spending trillions of dollars in weapons.
I think that this is a trajectory that some of the retrograde factions that may surround the current administration Would like to see happen.
And what we have to hope for is that there are some higher angels there that will guide us to a path of greater wisdom than that.
And I think ultimately we just have to keep getting the word out and plugging away.
And I think that, again, one of the things that we're working on, and people can read about this at the website seespower.com, S-E-A-S-Power.com, where we're on the brink of some serious breakthroughs in these extraordinary energy devices that have been so long suppressed.
And I'm hoping that within the next three to six months, we will have a major press conference with an actual functioning system.
And just about every time we've talked, you've been, you thought, perhaps months away, either on top of a discovery or just months away from some stuff that obviously has fallen through.
Well, you know, what's interesting about this is that I have actually seen some very significant breakthroughs, but the people who have them are so terrified.
And what we're trying to do is extend an umbrella, which is really a spin-off of the disclosure effort.
You know, I point out the people, and anyone listening who has such an energy device should get on that website and submit.
We announced a $1 million prize that's still unclaimed in the form of guaranteed licensing royalties for any such device that is proven to work at three independent labs.
That's on our website, and they can read it at seizepower.com.
I know that there are a number of systems right now on this planet that do what these people have claimed.
And what we are trying to do is convince them that it is now time to step forward with them.
There's a lot of fear.
And, you know, I was talking to Tom Bearden once about this.
And there have been people who have absolutely been dropped dead trying to do these things.
Now, one of the things that can protect that is to have an enormous network of people who know about what you're doing.
I will say right now, without saying where I'm going, but in the next 30 days, I'm going to three separate locations.
One is a device that would be a negative resistor.
It's a device that's putting out 5 kilowatts of power with no input power through a magnetic resonance process that is tapping this magnetic flux field in space around us.
Another device is...
Oh no.
I tell people I'm the stupidest person on two legs when it comes to electrical and mechanical systems.
I'm the strategic guy.
The people I bring with me are top-drawer physicists and scientists who can do that to betting.
Because aside from I'm not able to do that, I would never pretend to.
The reason I never got sued in 10 years of a busy ER is because I know what I don't know.
I actually have seen proof of one in the last year, but the scientist is really scared to come forward.
He's convinced he'll be killed.
And I don't think so at this point.
But, you know, people make their own decisions.
And I've identified what I call an inventor post-traumatic stress disorder syndrome where they are so afraid and paralyzed.
Now, we're dealing now with some people in the last two months that I think are ready to step out behind the veil.
And the testing has to be done.
I anticipate it'll take three to six months to do both the in-house and the laboratory testing.
And at that point, we will then do a reproducibility study and rebuild the system and see if it actually works on a reproducibility basis.
And if so, we will not walk, but run and let the public know about it and see it.
That's what we're doing.
And I think the world desperately needs it.
We know these things have existed in the past and have always been gobbled up and suppressed.
And at this point, we're convinced that it can come forward.
One of the things I point out to people is if they look at the folks who came forward last year in the disclosure project, many of them had top secret SCI TK clearances.
Not one of them received even a phone call saying, be quiet.
Because before we did that, I met with folks who can give us the kind of support and protection needed and said, put it in place.
We need to come forward.
And as of this date today, not a single person has been harassed, threatened, imprisoned, nothing.
And so I'm very optimistic that this can happen.
I think people have created too large of a boogeyman of the fear.
It's not that there hasn't been reason for fear in the past, but I think we're moving into a time where we can get this done and we need to do it.
Well, whether it's justified or not, here's a unique thing.
If someone has such a system, what we're suggesting is that through a firewall and a licensing agreement, that the person who has it hands it off.
If we cannot perform and get it out to the public, it reverts back to them.
No questions asked.
But if we succeed, anything we do, they're Not liable for.
Those agreements can be made.
They can just put their hands up and say, hey, that crazy guy Greer is doing this.
I have no control over that at this point.
And that can legally be done.
And that's what we intend to do.
Because if someone wants to give me a national security secrecy order to suppress something that we're controlling, I'll simply go on a major network TV show that's invited me on to do this and tear it up in front of 100 million people.
I mean, there's a point where you're going to have to simply belly up to the bar and do it.
Unfortunately, I don't think scientists and inventors who are sitting in their laboratories are the people to do that.
We need to have a large network, which we have put together, of people from all walks of life who will stand out and stand tall and let this happen.
I think then you have a chance.
I think the little guy trying to invent something, doing all this, it'd be very, very hard.
I think they need to join in a coalition such as we have and do it.
And I'm quite convinced at this point in time that will happen.
That means that our government got their hands on something, back-engineered it, and that would include the power plant.
So the inference, obviously, would be that these systems, these inventions, these ideas, these whatever they are, these technologies are already really in our hands.
Well, they are, but they're the tree that fell in the woods, no one heard.
I mean, they're in ultra-secret projects.
And as Ben Rich, who was the head of Lockheed, said to three people I'm working with today and who are on my team, that it'd take an act of God to ever get them out of those projects to benefit humanity.
And he said this a few years ago at UCLA School of Engineering after a talk there.
And he was referring specifically to technologies that were capable of traveling faster than the speed of light to the stars out in space.
And so, you know, and I stand by that statement because I have three independent people who are there who heard Ben Rich say it.
Now, yes, so yes, we do have them, but see, this begs a larger question, is that the laws of the universe are universal, and scientists have been coming across the physics behind this phenomenon that Tom Bearden and others and Tom Vallone and Maury King and others have described for many, many decades.
You can go all the way back 75 years and find people who have.
The question is, why hasn't it gotten out to benefit the world?
Now, what we're trying to do at this point is to connect those scientists with those devices to a very large strategic network and then quickly move it forward.
And that's what we're doing.
And I hope we succeed.
If we don't, we're at least going to give it the college try.
Well, I think that if people know of someone who actually has one of these systems, they should contact us at SCASPower.com, seizepower.com.
And there is a contest of sorts.
It's just a way of really supporting people to do this.
It's a $1 million guaranteed prize in the form of licensing fees and royalties that we will guarantee to anyone who proves they have this and allows us to test it.
They should network those people to us and contact us as soon as possible.
We are in the process of either fabricating or testing a number of these systems.
I also want to point out that, you know, people have heard for years, whatever happened to that 100-mile-per-gallon fuel injection system or vehicle.
Those are also have actually existed.
We've done the research on that.
Now, that's another, it's not as sexy as anti-gravity or zero-point energy.
But remember, we've got a couple hundred million cars on the road in this country and around the world more than that.
And we would like to see those systems supported.
And so we have a program right now where we're about to test seven different internal combustion modifications that you could retrofit and put on a car so that your SUV will be getting 30 to 50 miles per gallon instead of 10.
So these are things that we're looking at, and some of them are extremely promising.
And as soon as we have a confirmed independent lab testing of them and reproduction of them, we will announce this to the public.
Meanwhile, we've got the Bush administration passing legislation that increases mandatorily the gas mileage for the SUVs you talked about, four or five miles a gallon or whatever the hell it is.
Not much.
I mean, if they really had this technology, then what are they doing passing those kind of laws?
Well, because the people passing those laws are not educated on these issues.
And this is one of the things.
I was talking to Tom Vallone today, who does a lot of work in Washington with this.
And he was meeting with the prominent senators of AIDA on energy issues.
And they're actually very open to this.
And we're going to be having some further follow-up meetings with those people in the next week or two.
So I think that, you know, people assume that because you're a senator or a member of Congress that you're omniscient.
On the contrary, they're so overwhelmed that they seldom understand these sorts of issues.
And I think ultimately the proof of the pudding is going to be in the eating.
We need to present some.
This is what the challenge is I'm putting out there tonight.
If someone's got that kind of system for the automobile or a zero-point device and it's ready to be properly protected and put out there, they should contact us because there are a whole lot of people on both sides of the aisle in Congress and all over the world waiting for these kinds of solutions.
Remember, George Bush himself said last year in the State of the Union that it was a national security imperative that we become independent of imported oil.
Right now, we get something like 57% or 55% of our oil from overseas, and it makes us a very vulnerable country.
Yeah, but often the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and this is the whole problem with compartmentalization.
Don't assume that people really have access to the things that we're talking about.
And I think that this is an important point, that if it's hidden away as tightly as Ben Rich was discussing, I think it's going to be up to the civilian, scientific, inventor, and activist community to push it out there.
And I wouldn't be holding my breath for Lockheed Martin or Northrop to open up their bag of tricks and let one of these things come floating over a Super Bowl game.
thank you very much for being here and i really mean good luck uh...
because you're brushing up against You're brushing up against the powers that if all you say is true probably would have you squished like a bug.
We're going to break here.
And when we come back, we're going straight back into open lines.
And I'm going to be looking for calls on all my lines from any of you out there that have actually had physical contact with alien beings as we continue to try to answer the question, friend or foe.
unidentified
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the rain White bird in a golden cage Alone The leaves blow Cross the long black road
To the darkened sky In its rage But the white bird Just sits in her cage Unknown Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye From west of the Rockies
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I had a most unusual opportunity to meet a group of people that were working out of a major record company in Hollywood when I was a professional musician, which I am now anyway.
The big question we're trying to answer tonight, when we talk to people like yourself, if you really think that was an alien encounter, it sounds pretty strange, all right.
Are these friends or foe?
I guess you're going to say friend, huh?
unidentified
Friend.
No, definitely friend, because these people and the people that I met subsequently after that, and I know I don't have time to tell you about everything that happened to me, but I had several contacts with real extraterrestrials, and they really are here, and they are most benevolent.
Everything that they did, everything that they said to me, and also the fact that they freely, they had an actual plaque that had all the things that they believed in, this group of people.
And one of the things they said was, peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
Well, being as it may, with everything that came out of that investigation and everything that I've gone through, not only being somewhat estranged by my family at the time, and all the ridicule I got at the time, my personal belief is whatever these things are, they sure like to lie a lot.
That's what we're really trying to discern here with these phone calls, is what are we facing?
Something that is friendly or something that is dangerous?
Something that mankind really might have reason to fear and build these weapons that Dr. Greer is so unhappy with, and perhaps for good reason, to defend against.
Now, I'm not suggesting that that was about to occur to you, but I'm just suggesting that that's very common in nature, that an animal would have the ability to paralyze or essentially dope up its victim.
So I don't know.
unidentified
Well, there was another time in the house.
There were three experiences in that one house.
And this was in Chicago.
I don't know if I said that, but the other time was I was in the room again, in the bedroom, and it was a small apartment, so there weren't too many places to go.
And I saw a bunch of them, like dozens of them, little ones, though, and you could see their faces, and they were grotesque.
And I was terrified, and then there was the big black one again, and it was like he chased them away, and they went up through the ceiling.
All right, so you think then that there might be both, the friendlies and the unfriendlies?
unidentified
Well, that's what I thought at first, and in retrospect, I think that the little ones might have been excited, and the big one realized I was scared, and he made them go away.
And after that, I only saw a couple of, but like three of the big ones.
You know, there is a pretty strong argument, I suppose, that if they could get here, if they have the technology to get here across light years of space, if not time, then they would have the technology to squish us like bugs if they really wanted to.
Well, before I tell you how I know, you remember on your program several years ago, they talked about the general and the major found out the truth and they committed suicide after Roswell?
And then they have an attitude towards humans, which I gathered through all three of these.
Like, we're their property, and they have no respect.
And also, I get the impression that not so much with the one that's infiltrated the Mormon church, but the other two.
Like, they really don't respect our God.
And that would explain why they have sex with us, which, you know, technically, when they're having sex with people that are married, or even if they're unmarried, That's fornication or adultery.
So you never managed to have sex with one of them, huh?
despite those temptation eyes.
unidentified
She's got something that moves my soul, and she knows I'd love to love her, but she lets me down every time, can't make her mine, she's no one's lover tonight, with me she'll be so inviting, I want it all for myself.
Oh, temptation eyes, and the truth of my soul, temptation eyes, you've got your love, please, you've got your love, please.
Thank you.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
The only calls that we are taking is from those who have had encounters with what they consider to be alien beings.
The question, the larger question, do you consider them to be friend or foe?
I'd say so far that we're getting a little more on the side of friend at the moment, but it's a small margin above half, I'd say.
That's probably the way it's going thus far.
We'll dive back in in a moment.
Incidentally, I think many of you know, some of you may not.
I am a ham radio operator, so the following email really caught my attention, and it may well be that you can help out with this story.
My email address is artbell at mindspring.com, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com.
In case you want to respond to this, I am a ham, W6OBD is my call.
And I received this email, and I really wanted to sort of run it by some of you.
Art Frank Scully, in his 1950 book, Behind the Flying Saucers, mentions an event which happened in 1941 involving a shortwave radio and a boy in Appleton, Wisconsin.
Here's what the book says.
What about the boy in Appleton, Wisconsin, whose shortwave set hit a magnetic frequency which not only paralyzed automobiles within three miles of his home, but any plane flying over his house?
Chet L. Swittle was sent by his paper from Chicago, newspaper, from Chicago to cover the story.
And when he reached Appleton, he found the place.
It was crawling with FBI.
They confiscated the boy's shortwave set and shipped him, his family, and the misfying radio to Washington for further study.
That was 1941.
What happened?
Or is that one still classified five years after the war and nine years after the reported phenomenon?
Have you heard of the event, Art, and what do you think could have caused it?
And has it been reported since?
That one caught my attention.
If you have any response to that, I would love to hear it.
Well, there's nobody that I think would deny the possibility that what we regard as aliens are indeed alien to us, but not from space, but rather from another dimension.
It's entirely possible.
That could be the answer to all of this.
After all, maybe the scientists would say you can't get from there to here, not at the speed of light, because you can't go faster than the speed of light.
At least not yet.
They could be right, which would mean the only way they'd actually be here and people like you having these experiences would be if it were a dimensional jump.
unidentified
Well, these were not the graves.
These were small light beings.
And they've been with me most of my life.
And as a child, I would ask them questions telepathically.
So that we can understand whether they're friends or not.
unidentified
Yeah, they said when I was 36, something, you know, they didn't say something bad was going to happen to me.
I had to be very specific with my questions, and then they would answer them.
But let's not go on about my personal life.
What they did tell me at that time was there's going to be a time I'm going to ask them to go away.
And during this time, like I said, all I see were these flying little light beings, and they'd check people out that I was encountering, and they were especially interested in the pneumatic tape machine when I was cutting in commercials.
They would fly in and out of the darn thing, out of the back of it.
And from that point on, art, my mother, my grandma, I say mother's grandmother, because they were the ones who raised me.
I would go to school, but at night, when I go out to play, she said the first thing you do is go out on the porch and you look up in the sky and you look at the stars.
If you notice, most who call them five or six years of age, and it begins then.
But 18, huh?
unidentified
That's when I started taking notes, and that's when I actually started realizing things were going on.
As I look back, I could, you know, there's other little glimpses.
Now, my perception of it has been that there's basically two types.
The first type is the type that wants to help you and is basically trying to tell you what's going wrong, what's going right, what's going to happen in the future, the visions that I've been given, and how they're going to help us.
And the other kind is the kind that's actually jealous of us and doesn't want us to get to the higher level after we die.
What I'm trying to do is determine whatever these are, whether they're our friend or our foe, whether they're here to do us good or whether mankind should be fighting with every inch of strength and weapons that he can muster to fight this.
I mean, it's an important question.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
And the thing is, though, is that it's like everything in life, though.
You know, I mean, that sounds just like something a dentist would tell you just before he puts a drill down on the porcelain, right?
unidentified
It's going to hurt a little bit, but all I know is that when they said you're going to feel like you're going to fly, the room kind of went dark, and I heard this droning noise.
I've never heard it before.
And I felt like I was flying, and I could feel my heart just beating.
The next thing was all of a sudden, the room is light, they're in front of me again, and I could taste this horrible taste in my mouth.
And the other thought was, don't worry, that taste will go away.
Once again, into the night and the unknown, we go.
And what we're doing is, in case you're just catching up with us in the middle of the night here, we're taking calls from people who have had actual physical encounters with alien beings.
Those are the only calls we're taking.
So last night, you just sit back, relax, and listen.
And here we go.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Good evening, morning, whatever.
unidentified
Hi, my name is Pam, and I had contact with five of the grays.
I had a partner at the time that had lots of experience from the time of childhood.
And I'm real, real curious, and so in my mind's eye, I kind of invited them into my life.
I uninvited them, but I still had them come once in a while to my house.
I could feel that they were in my house, and when I was waking, when I would be sitting in my office, I knew there was one in the other room, and I just kept uninviting them and telling them they weren't welcome, they weren't of the light.
And so finally, I haven't had any contact maybe for nine months or so.
Well, I was just commenting on the substance of what we've been hearing tonight so far.
unidentified
Well, I tell you, I've listened to the show tonight, and I tell you what, nothing I've heard tonight at all sounds anything like what has happened to me.
I used to go in that rural area and go driving by myself at night.
During one of those drives, I found myself being, I guess what you would have to say, being followed as I was going through this wooded area while driving on a roadway.
And the very next thing that I remember, you know, I was being approached by two beings.
They looked the same, but they were real shiny type of light type of beings.
somebody called earlier with diabetes and thought that in essence they were rejected because they had diabetes.
Do you believe you were...
unidentified
And I think, yes, I think I was rejected because of my sterility, you know, not being able to reproduce.
I think that's the thing.
And the whole process of it, I mean, the feelings, I mean, you know, what makes me believe that some of the people that I've heard talk about it may not have had an experience that I have had.
I don't know if that was the reason, but I know that I was told, and I mean, all of this is in, you know, it's like telepathy, that I would never have children, is what one said.
But now these people that took me, the ones out on the roadway that were real shiny and bright and fluorescent looking, that wasn't the same people that are on the ship.
The people that what I have come to be familiar with is from what other people said that were called grays.
That's the ones that were inside.
I tell you what, they don't look like, I mean, the one what I saw doesn't look like anything I've seen in pictures.
So they'd probably be doing the bidding of those who were in the ship.
I mean, that's a pretty good guess, right?
They got you there.
unidentified
Yeah.
But you know, Art, the one thing that I would like for your listeners to really understand about an experience like this, and they say, well, you know, I've only told a couple of people about this, and that's been a long time ago, 30 years ago.
But when I started to go to the bathroom, there was another little fella, the same size as the little fellow that came to my bed in the corner, like he was afraid of me.
So I got out of the bathroom and came back, and we went through the ceiling.
I got up the next morning, and I looked to see if there were any windows open, any doors open, or anything.
Yeah, and then I'd find myself like walking to this huge thing.
But before they came to me in the night, I went out in the yard in the daytime, and this huge UFO was in the backyard, about 15 feet up above my trailer.
And I could have touched them.
So I started waving at them, and I went to get my Polaroid camera to take pictures of the waving in like a friendly way.
Now, don't forget, tomorrow night, technically tonight, Dr. David Jacobs is going to be here.
And Dr. Jacobs is a very welcome interview because he's a very different kind of interview.
Almost inevitably, all the guests I've had, at least 97%, have on balance thought that these visitors have nothing but our best intentions in mind.
I mean, that really is the common view, particularly of those you would have on As expert guests of one sort or another, Dr. Jacobs is the very first to come along and say the exact opposite.
His book is The Threat.
He now has a new book, I'm sure.
We'll talk of that as well.
But I think that point of view, when you get down to the serious sticks and stones of this, should be considered by all of you.
No matter how you feel about the experience you had, you need to imagine that there's a possibility you're being lied to, tricked, or otherwise deceived.
And what you were just saying on the air to your listeners, I feel that they're just there to let us know that they're there and it's not so much a threat, but it's kind of like Big Brother is watching you.
This was approximately, because I didn't document it in 1957 or 58.
My sister and I used to walk to grade school about two and a half city blocks from our house.
And this is a classic.
And I want to ask you, before you disconnect at the end of the conversation, for your comment, if you could give me some advice on what to do about this.
Okay, here it is.
We came up the hill about 45-degree angle, turned right, and there we were.
I was probably in about the third grade.
My sister was in the sixth grade.
And we saw the planet Mars about 50 times the size of the Moon directly in the horizon straight ahead.
And you could see the ice caps.
You could see all the detail.
And it was all there as crystal clear as you could imagine.
You know, maybe you did trip through some little moment in time, and maybe you saw a time on Earth when something was approaching our planet.
Maybe it was Mars, maybe it wasn't.
You'd be a little young to make that judgment, I would say.
But it may be that you saw something that was coming toward our planet, or was very close to our planet, and perhaps you had a vision of what is to be.
I saw, we saw, I have two witnesses with me, and we saw seven spherical objects in formation pass over us in the evening when we were sitting in the hot springs.
And I was marveling at what might have happened, and there seemed to be a little time warp, but there was a lady appeared, and a very beautiful lady.
And she got in the hot water with me, and she was there smiling at me for a few minutes, maybe ten minutes, it's hard to know, and with much compassion and very beautiful.
I want to say October because it was getting on snowy kind of days, very cold, and we're all in kind of ski jackets and things like that, you know, parkers and that.
How do you, what leads you to believe that she really wasn't a human woman other than her?
unidentified
All I can say is if you saw her and what she was wearing and how the coldness did not bother her, she was like walking down the street on a summer day.
Basically, the craft that they brought in was, to the best of my ability, I could describe it as being like an oblong pear-shaped craft that was completely enshrouded in like a skin, a translucent type of skin.
Looking back on that, it was very odd because there was a weird harmonics that came off this particular craft.
When they parked the craft in what's known as a hardened aircraft shelter, or a has, the has is protected by three things.
It has a lead shield to protect against radiation.
And there's a two-stage entry, meaning to get to the aircraft, you have to go through like an airlock type entry.
It's shrouded by two heavy, very heavy lead doors.
I was one of the airmen on duty that night, and I happened to be posted out there when they brought this in.
The thing that makes it look most sinister, though, was the fact that it was a very, very dark aircraft.
By dark, I mean the shape, the ominous feeling that came from it.
The fact that, you know, members of the Air Force had just brought this thing in, and it was being widely reported in the news media.
And, of course, you know because you got the blanket denials.
Do you have any idea what became of this craft or whether there were any occupants that were discovered?
unidentified
There were three occupants that were in the craft.
Oh.
The only thing that I know was that we had an ambulance that backed up to the Hardened Aircraft shelter, and three bodies were put aboard and taken very quickly away.
One of the core question that I've been trying to answer through the night, you can take a crack at it, too.
I mean, it really is a doggone important question.
Whatever these things are, wherever they're from, and for whatever reason they're here, I need to know, want to know, whether you think you have a strong sense that they're benign or malevolent or what do you think they are?
What are their intentions toward us?
Nothing is more important than that.
unidentified
to be strictly honest with you.
The feeling I got was very ominous, very dark, foreboding.
Yeah, it's sort of strange that there's a lot of people that have had experiences with UFOs and have subconsciously been given information in their mind.
It's weird.
A lot of these people who claim to be psychics or whatever have been experienced by these so-called aliens or whatever they are.
But I'll briefly make you this real quick.
I've known about particular aspects of what's going on with the Middle Eastern war.
Well, I don't need detail, but you're really seriously proposing that we all believe the reason we're about to have a war with Iraq is because we want some sort of alien artifact that's in Iraq.
unidentified
We're worried about them reversing some of the technology and becoming a dominant power.
But to show you something that is seriously what's going on, watch, this is really amazing.
Last time the war, they wanted, because of Kennedy, the Vietnam War, how people protested, there's a gigantic global project to keep people from fighting the war effort.
Back when we first initiated it, the first time, Desert Storm, we had a mass, it was basically a SIAP, a mind control project with spraying chemicals.
You remember the melathion spraying that was going on?
Okay, they're going to institute in the news pretty soon, they're going to start saying that med flies have just encountered different spots of the United States, and they're going to start spraying again.
That spraying was a cover for a PSIOP on a two-part mind control project to keep us from protesting the war.