Dr. Paul Pearsall and Harry Browne challenge conventional views of consciousness, citing 1966 UCLA RNA studies and cases like an eight-year-old girl recognizing her donor Danny’s life post-transplant—heart racing at his photos, 40,000 neurons in the heart, and electromagnetic fields 5,000x stronger than the brain. Browne’s own experiences, including sudden guitar skills and emotional ties to donor Danielle, align with documented cases of memory or energy transfer, like a recipient feeling 19 after a 19-year-old donor’s heart. They explore non-locality, quantum physics parallels, and indigenous beliefs, questioning if blood transfusions or artificial hearts could similarly carry consciousness. Despite skepticism, their research suggests the heart may hold more than just physical function—potentially reshaping how we understand life, death, and donation. [Automatically generated summary]
You are going to talk about something that is just absolutely, it just rivets me.
Because there's just appears to be so much that we don't understand about ourselves.
And, you know, to the average person, doctor, it seems utterly impossible that any sort of memory or any sort of anything could transfer in one of our lower organs, our heart, our liver, our lungs, something like that.
It's just, you know, it's nice to have, but it's not the brain.
Or at least we didn't think that it was the brain or that there was any, could possibly be.
I mean, it's science fiction almost to imagine there could be transference of any kind of memory with the transference of just an organ.
And I wrote these down because I said I've got to share these first with you guys because these stories come constantly, even when you apply our good scientific standard to dismiss these and be skeptical.
Doctor, how many surgeons who do transplant work do you think would laugh and walk away at the concept versus those who would, because of their own experience, let's put it that way, not laugh and not walk away?
When I published the book called The Heart's Cool with the first data and then two or three journal articles after that, I thought, boy, am I going to catch flack.
Do you know the only group from whom I have not caught flack has been the heart transplant surgeons.
Brilliant, careful scientist, also researching areas that are sometimes approached with great skepticism and cynicism.
And his work has shown that the electrical information patterns generated by the heart are detectable in our own brainwaves and listen to this, other people's brainwaves.
Now, Gary told me one time that they were doing a study, and they had all these little electrodes on somebody's head for an electroencephalogram, and they're doing all the measuring.
But one electrode was left free by mistake.
And they couldn't understand the readings they were getting.
And it turned out that electrode was picking up the heart energy of the examiner.
You already laid a number of facts, in fact, worrisome ones to me.
I remember a shot movie about the space shuttle saying, you know, 5 million moving parts all built by the lowest bidder as they got ready to launch, you know, and you're telling me the heart is a lot more complex than that.
You know, the heart is capable of emitting 5,000 millivolts of electricity.
The brain, 140 millivolts.
I think some people, maybe a lot less than what I've been dealing with over here.
But I can tell you this, the Voyager spacecraft circling around over there in Saturn sent back its energy with 10 millivolts.
So if you think that that heart is not something special, we should be listening to the ancient Hawaiians, to the ancient Egyptians, who used to mummify the brain of the heart and throw away the brain.
So if we're going to put that heart in somebody else's chest, it is awfully naive to think that that powerful organ isn't really doing something more than we thought it did.
Well, but you know, if you prove that, doctor, then you raise ethical questions for hearts, transplant surgeons that have never been raised before.
I mean, it's tough enough as it is right now.
And I wonder if you've been told that by some of them, because it's obvious to me.
If you prove what you're telling us tonight, and I have a feeling you will to this audience, then they've got ethical problems that go beyond the ones they've got already.
I'm a transplant recipient, not of a heart, but a bone marrow transplant, because I almost died of cancer, as you described earlier.
And the good news here is because transplant is such a sacred process that when we interview these donor families and recipient families, as we'll discuss this evening, this is a source of relief, not fear or ethical dilemma.
Because are we to say that by taking that sacred gift, it's nothing but a piece of tissue?
It is not.
It is a sacred gift.
And the research we'll present tonight actually documents how important that is and how gracious a gift that is rather than alarming people away from it.
It's a continuation, and from a Hawaiian point, they have a word called lokahi.
We are all connected, and as you'll hear tonight, these transplant stories in some ways are, and I'm sorry I published them because some of them are so dramatic, and we'll tell some of them tonight.
That's why I'm so appreciative to have the time to share this because it's just not been, you have to understand that I published this book, Heart's Code, in 1998.
Only this year have they come from the BBC, from Germany, from Spain, from Russia to talk to me.
Because I think now when you publish enough data, even if they're stories, sometimes a lot of stories told with care and collected carefully become legitimate data worthy of listening to.
As somebody who does a nightly talk show, I'm a little disappointed in some ways in the American media because what I'm finding, and of course I deal with stories, you know, that are out on the edge of every field.
Right.
I'm finding that I'm getting more interesting current data from the BBC than I am from American major outlets of a similar size.
I mean, it's not even a close call.
They're all over a lot of stories.
And it's just, I'm kind of sorry.
have to go to the bbc to get these things i wish i could be getting them from cbs and nbc and for you right after the They were the first ones to pick this up.
Well, I'm afraid we can talk, that's be a whole other show, the status of medicine in the United States, because it's really a very mechanical approach in medicine.
And, you know, even with all the modern medical marvels, we can only explain 46% of the variants.
That is to say, modern medicine only knows 46% of why a person gets cancer, why they get a heart attack.
I just lectured at a medical school the other day, and I pointed out, you do realize, don't you, that more than half the people who have a heart attack have none of the heart attack risk factors.
And the other thing that makes me, and I'm going to get some trouble tonight with my doctor colleagues, but who among us doesn't know that person who has violated every health rule and been a health reprobate their whole life and lived forever, practically?
And I thought, and they misdiagnosed my cancer miserably.
So I think what's happened in medicine, and certainly it offers many miracles and modern things to do, but it's tended to not to be a blended medicine that looks into the things that you and I will examine tonight.
And one day, a girlfriend of mine, this was when I was 20 years old, said, What's this on your shoulder blade?
You know, it's a big lump on my shoulder blade.
Something you wouldn't notice, right?
Your bed partner certainly would.
And I said, oh my God, I don't know.
I went in, and of course, I knew the doctors because I worked with them every day, and they knew me.
And so I went into this doctor, a captain whose name I will not mention for his sake.
And I said, take a look at this, Doc.
And he said, oh, my.
He said, we're going to have to go get that right away.
Well, turned out it was a great, it was really big, a big tumor.
It was a big, nasty old tumor.
And, you know, they took it out and sent it off for the pathology.
And in those days, you had to wait.
It took, I forget, two or three days, you know.
And at the end of that time, he, oh, he was so somber, he called me into his office, you know, took me off duty and called me into his office and sat me down and looked me in the face.
And there was this long silence.
And he said, well, you've got about six months.
You know, so I went totally ashen.
I turned utterly ashen white.
And he took about a two-second take of just sitting there and then totally cracked up and fell on the floor.
And ha ha ha.
Funniest thing here, he couldn't stop laughing.
He was on the floor for five minutes while my color slowly returned.
And so for a few seconds, Dr. Pearsall, I was there.
And so then, what's it like for a physician to be diagnosed with stage four?
Went through chemotherapy, and I won't bore your listeners with my long story.
And I described it all in Miracle in Maui because I wanted to get it out to the medical community and let them understand what we mean by miracles, not these old kind of weird kind of things.
But something profoundly powerful happened.
Had they listened to my heart, had I even listened earlier to my heart, might have been diagnosed earlier.
And here's all these people now filling my heart, and I mean that literally, with hopelessness, with despair, and I certainly don't embrace, and we can talk about that tonight with any callers or anybody else.
I'm not embracing this idea that if you have the right attitude, you're going to live forever.
I know you have, and here I am dying and I can tell you this as fact and now, as scientists, I could feel the hearts of those around me bringing me back.
Hearts connect to other hearts.
I hate to just bring the scientist out me again on this, but there was a study done at the Sensum Medical Research Institute.
They took it from somebody, and then that person from whom they took the biopsy to check their heart cells was sent across town to a lab to do a stress test.
Because you got the right word there, coincidentally, because they're looking at this and they're wondering, why are these cells pulsating like this so fast?
So all they have to do is look up the treadmill test time and say, my gosh, there it is.
Well, you see, I've always been told that, you know, the F's that you mentioned are in the center part of our brain, our reptile center part of the brain, and that the outer part of the brain, the front part of the brain, the frontal lobe, is engaged in the higher aspects of.
But you're telling me some of this is really the heart.
I may have that wrong, but it's talking about what happens when you really, when you meditate deeply, for example, and other plates, parts of the brain take over.
Well, we now know that you can do cardio meditation.
That is, if you calm your heart down and shut up your loudmouth brain, that heart will send messages to you.
Every scientist listening to my voice knows that your feelings are faster than your thoughts.
We now know, and I'm sure you do this even though you have a scientific mind art, you make decisions on your show as to who will be on, the validity of your guests, how you're going to plan your program, not only mentally, but what's in your heart.
Our criterion for collecting this is I wanted to talk to the donor families, to the recipient families, to the recipient, to the surgeon, if possible, or at least the medical staff, and collect this data and not try to lead them.
Right, we have to be very careful with that, and we never violate that.
And each some states have different rules about this, and there are ethics involved in this.
But these patients, the sad thing for us has been, since I published this material, patients call every day saying, Dr. Pearsall, I want to talk about this, but I've been made front of by other transplant patients who say this guy's nuts.
I don't want to hear about it.
By other doctors, or they get sent to the psychiatrist because they're crazy.
And before we tell these stories, I just want to make sure we're clear on this.
We are scientists looking at this.
I want to know why this happens.
Is it due to some degree to all these terribly strong immunosuppressive drugs that these people are on for life?
Is it due because of the transplant process, to the trauma?
There are many other explanations, but to be a good scientist, you must not think either or, but perhaps and.
I'll tell you a quick one that doesn't count first.
This one doesn't count because I gave a lecture on this and an internist in the audience was smirking the whole time I was talking like this is ridiculous.
And this happens to me after many lectures.
This guy came up afterwards and said, I need to talk to you in private.
I'm going to tell you a story, but you can't tell them I told you.
Happens to, like I'm a confessional here.
And he says, this is a story that I hope that you will publish someplace.
Well, I can't because I don't have the data.
Here's what he told.
A little girl had had a heart transplant.
Now, the decision for what the transplantation nowadays has a lot to do with size more than anything else, size of the body, to match it up.
And this poor guy, and I'm sure you've had other people on your show talking about these kind of things, people who report things that are out of the box.
Why do we have these, what is the rationale behind the laws that protect the donor and the recipient or the recipient from information about the donor?
Well, I think probably everybody, each state probably has their own reasons that these laws evolve and they vary.
But I think the idea is that donation may lead to the family that it's going to get this heart coming back and asking for something more or more acquaintance and intimacy to the donor family than that donor family may want.
And although I have been at several ceremonies now that have been set up, and we'll read some stories about it tonight or talk about them, set up especially for the donors to meet the recipient families and vice versa.
And the recipient, I've been there, and don't forget, as I said, I had a bone marrow transplant myself.
I asked the recipient mother, you have anybody in your family named Auntie Gwen?
Nope.
And then what made this story even more dramatic for me, and I witnessed this, is when this mother of the donor has her head against the chest of the boy, when they're done, they embrace.
And every time the BBC or Germany television just followed me around for a few days and they said, we want to talk to your patients, I said, never again.
I think you're right, because I think it demeans the importance of what we're talking about.
It's simply just putting an organ in somebody and some kind of special weird energy is transferred.
I think it's much more than that.
And that's what you're dancing around when you're talking about that.
As a scientist, I want to make sure I have my ducks lined up and make sure that these stories are verified and reported carefully.
And I know when the most recent publication was in the Journal of Near-Death Studies, and we did open-ended tape interviews, quoted verbatim, with transplant recipients, family members, donor family, and friends, and nurses and doctors where possible.
And even in that article, the stories were just dramatic.
And I'm going to answer your question, but I've always been reluctant to do so because I'm concerned about credibility, and I never talk about them in lectures because it looks like I'm trying to hold myself up as the example.
And because it's very, I'm a scientist, and I know that some of the things I'm saying, I used to explain since I've studied the brain as a psychologist, and I think, well, this is due to Mr. Biddle firing at a lack of oxygen and death and all of these things.
All three times that I had died, I saw my grandmother.
In Hawaii, they call the word tutu.
There she is in her wheelchair, saying clear to me as could possibly be each time, pointing to her heart, which is why she died, her heart, saying, go back, you must tell them.
Go back, you must tell them.
Every time I went through this, I saw her.
The surgeons, when I was in for surgery for this cancer, said, even under anesthesia, which is bizarre, coming out of this, you would say, Grandma, tell them what?
What I'm suggesting in my research, and others who are doing, looking at the heart, we've always looked for answers and whatever this consciousness is and this connection of consciousness in the brain.
I'm suggesting that it's certainly much broader than that.
It's funny, you wonder what those critics so bad against heart transplant would do if their heart was failing totally or someone they love was losing their heart.
There was a commercial about that that ran on radio for a long time that was really, really good.
I think the fellow's heart or something or another was failing, and the doctor said, well, we've got a heart, you know, but it's from a black person or something or another.
But anybody listening to my voice now that's had a family member with a transplant, such as me, or a child who's needed a transplant, or those waiting for organs tonight, you know, if I can bring a little bit of lightness to this, I went to Seattle to lecture on transplant and went to the transplant unit.
And they all wanted to hear me talk about this.
And it was a horrendously rainy, terrible night when we landed.
I was there an hour late, and I go into the unit, and I say, I'm so sorry.
You see, and the people who are getting hearts, who get angry about it, are really protecting themselves because they don't want to bleed this because of the implications of it, obviously.
And I understand it and defend it absolutely totally.
But the problem that we're, and I think you're dancing around this when you talk about consciousness, the one thing that's coming out in every kind of show you're doing, all these issues that are sort of out-of-the-box things that scientists are looking at, is this extension of consciousness beyond this limited view we have.
I think it's probably important that you know that Dr. Persol, the magnitude of the person you're listening to, graduated as a distinguished scholar from the University of Michigan, did his postgraduate training at the Harvard and Albert Einstein Schools of Medicine.
Designed and served as chief of the award-winning psychiatric clinic at Sinai Hospital, was director of behavioral medicine at Beaumont Hospital.
Professor of Clinical Psychiatry and Neurosciences at the Wayne State University School of Medicine.
Has authored over 300 professional journal articles and 14 best-selling books, which, by the way, you can pursue on my website.
We've got links up there tonight.
Dr. Pearsall, you know, before too much time slips away, any other stories you might have first-hand knowledge on your part, I would love to hear.
I know this is all weird and stupid stuff, probably just a real strange string of remarkable coincidences, but it is pretty interesting stuff, isn't it?
I've got a computer next to me and they pepper me with questions.
That's a lovely story, of course.
But not all donors are nice people.
Sometimes donors are really nasty people who get hit by cars or shot because they were involved in something awful or who knows why people.
And so have you run into any cases where the effects, the transference of whatever it is, the consciousness that's transferred is not welcome because the person who made the donation wasn't a good person.
Sometimes, and it's interesting before I answer your question completely, this controversy really came up because they were in some states contemplating that prisoners who had committed pretty bad crimes, if they would donate an organ, not the heart, of course, but an organ, could buy time off their sentence or avoid the death sentence.
Then the question became, would you want the kidney of a mass murderer, for example?
Well, when you talk to people who are dying, they'll say, give me a kidney.
So the question is not that you're going to transform yourself completely into a murderer or a mass murderer.
But I don't want to back off your question, Art, because there are people, for example, who tell me, I wouldn't even want to wear the watch that Charlie Manson wore.
I only know who someone who was dying that I would have given anything.
And I know that if I had not had my transplant, I would have died.
And those are things that your listeners would have to look at, each in their own way.
I did have one case where the wife said, since my husband got that heart, he has been the most, he used to be the most passive, kind man, and now he just is the most aggressive, swearing, cussing, angry man I've ever seen.
And it turned out he had the heart of somebody who had been a prisoner.
And that's why even raising this issue on your show, to be open enough to at least discuss it so that somebody can talk to their doctor and not be sent to the psychiatrist because they're delusional and say, let's at least learn from this.
You know, there was an old statement you might remember by William James that said, it is enough to prove that all crows aren't black if you can prove just one is white.
Does a blood transfusion confuse the heart, cause it to adapt to the donor's needs and not the recipients?
Or does blood itself, which of course courses through the heart quite frequently, also, in other words, when you get a transfusion, what are the possibilities?
But I got a call from Sweden the other day saying to me, and maybe this addresses your caller's question, he said, Dr. Piercell, I read your book, but you're wrong.
You said the heart is not only a pump, it's not a pump at all.
I said, no, wait a minute, what are you talking about?
And he said, the pump is not strong enough to do what you're describing, two and a half times around the earth.
So what we think is that the blood has, these cells in the blood have memories of their own, and they're coming to the heart and swinging through it like you would.
The heart acts more like a swing, like a child on a swing, and is shoved through by the blood.
And most people, I assume, that if they had some new little thought or concern, would never in a million years necessarily think it came as a result of, say, a transfusion.
It would just be a new thought or a new remembrance that was perhaps somewhat vague or even specific.
It would be sort of just perhaps disregarded sense.
When I was dying of cancer, I remember feeling my wife's heartbeat in mine and kept it going.
I've done this with audiences where we will play Hawaiian hula, which is at about 72 bits per minute, and play a very beautiful Hawaiian piece of music and have the real cynical executives stand up with their spouses and hold right hand to left and close their eyes, feel the music.
You will feel that energy exchange.
You know, you've got powerful scientists such as Dr. John at Princeton University's Engineering Anomalies Laboratory talking about such things as love energy, L energy, this fifth type of energy.
We have to start asking, but if your listeners will try this with someone they're close to, they will have a profound sense of what it's like to connect with someone else's heart.
I'm not being facetious when I say the brain is concerned with self.
It thinks, I'm going to protect me.
This can't be true.
This is impossible.
How could this happen?
I know you've had Dr. Larry Dossi on your show, and he wrote a brilliant article called The Right Man Syndrome.
He talked about the right men who constantly extend the research goalposts, who won't open their mind and hearts to such things as non-locality.
For heaven's sakes, Bell's theorem that says that two things once attached are attached forever across time and space, which is quantum physics fact, blows some people's minds.
As we began this show, I said, I regret that I shared most of these very dramatic stories because I suspect that these are being reported by the superstars, just like you know there are some psychic superstars who are able to do some profound things.
Any scientist who denies that is not reading the journals.
But the effect is subtle.
Same with the heart.
So those people who may call into you and say, this is stupid, and this can't be, and this is new age gobbledygook, and this is witchcraft, that they're reacting the same way as when Einstein may suggest that mass and energy are the same thing.
Every indigenous medicine, what's the fourth chakra?
The heart.
What does Ayurvedic medicine, Chinese medicine, do?
It takes the pulses and diagnoses by pulse.
It's our modern mechanical medicine that is focused primarily on the brain running the body in a lethal alliance, and the heart is simply a pump sending blood.
You know, Doctor, there have been mass serial killers who, believe it or not, essentially believed the same thing, some pretty awful cases, but I mean, they actually came up with the same explanation that they could assume that person's power by some cannibalistic act.
Remember again from all of this, every story I've told you so far, even though the effects are profound, listen to the emotion behind this.
It's almost always a loving emotion and a subtle effect.
Even that last story I read to you from the tape, this was not some, they describe it with such caring and sensitivity.
If there's any common theme in every journal article we published about these cases is there's a gentleness and caring motive for this behind both sides of this.
That's a very important lesson.
Maybe, just maybe, that's teaching us that this consciousness we're talking about is a pretty loving kind of consciousness if we tune into it.
Maybe it's the brain that has such a bad attitude.
Well, there's the donor to think about for a second.
I mean, if we're talking, we tend to, of course, talk about the recipient because the recipient is alive and we can get stories from the recipient.
But if you're considering being a donor, for example, don't you have to consider the possibility that some of your consciousness, since we don't know so much about all of this right now, that some of your consciousness may live, and one thought pattern might be that you don't want that to occur.
I mean, as you consider whether or not you want to be a donor, and I know I'm talking heresy here because you all need donors, but that would have to be something you would think about, that perhaps you would live on in some way that you probably ought not to in God's world.
You can't tell me, Art, that even over the phone, 1,000 miles away, when you're talking to a guest, that you don't have some kind of sense of the energy, if I can use that word.
Doctor, I'm getting a lot of questions on the computer screen that sort of follow where we were going with the discussion of consciousness, which for many people will automatically flow into the word soul.
And so a lot of people are asking questions like, what if by using another person's organ, the soul of that other person essentially remains until the death of the recipient.
And some of the flack we get are sometimes from very religious people who say you're tampering with the soul.
As researchers, though, we're saying, look, certainly I'm not going to be so arrogant to say I understand what the soul is, but most researchers understand from the data that life is certainly a sacred process.
And it came up when we were doing the research, and then these doctors and nurses would sit us down and say, you know, you're talking about these transplants, but with bypass, we're seeing these changes.
Now, from a scientific point of view, of course, this is a frightening process.
Well, I know, but once the blood supply is essentially restored, then you would expect to see the person perhaps go back to what they were prior to when they got sick.
One of the things I learned, this is how stupid a researcher can be, is our patients with donors, recipients, excuse me, would say to me, please, when they know I'm open to this kind of talk, not to the other doctors, I'm always the weird one they'll tell this to.
You want to talk about strange, from a kind of a vortex of energy, here we go, that word again, forms, the heart, that area begins to throb, forms into a heart, and then the brain forms.
From that point forward, the heart is still talking to the brain by the atrial naturatic factor, atrial peptide, by many, many types of neurochemicals and transmitters.
Well, how could a surgeon not notice, as you pointed out, a diseased heart and a healthy heart side by side, just as the switch is being made, falling into sync?
Or is that something that just mentally lock it out?
Yeah, you know, it's mechanical, it's a coincidence, it might happen, but everybody knows.
If you put a heart cell, no other cell in the body, but the heart, in a Petri dish, in a medium, and then you take a cell from someone else's heart and put that cell in there, they will fall into sync.
But don't forget, the witches that were burned at the stake were, of course, mostly women who had the audacity to question the medical model of those days.
Well, most of those that I've talked to, I mentioned Nimitzaz and others, have been sensitive to it and doing it in the closet because they've been afraid to speak of this.
Patients have talked about it and talked about it for as long as this process has been going on.
And suddenly, this very quiet Japanese wife named Kim, sitting next to the recipient, yells and interrupts the whole thing and says to the woman sitting next to the donor, Is your name Susan?
And she said, My God, how did you know?
And she said, Because my name is Kim, and my husband's yelling out your name when he's making love to me.
It's hard or we're swamped and I want to protect the company, but you know, the best way to do it is just get a hold of some of the books, and I think some contacts might be done that way through the publisher.
I've worked in the operating rooms for about eight years.
And when I was up in Eastern Maine Medical Center up in Maine, you know, I've told this story a few times.
No one really believes it.
I've done about 20 procurements.
And, Doc, you'd understand some of this.
When I was in anesthesia tech, basically, what I did, you know, assist the doc, make the slush, put the heart and all that in.
So one night we were using a room that we don't normally use.
And, you know, once you get the heart out, you know, anesthesia is done.
Right.
You know, they shut the machine down, we leave, and then they get the liver and the kidneys and all that.
Well, we were done about 2-3 in the morning, shut the room down, and shut the OR down, locked it up, and we go into the lounge and we're eating our lunch.
Well, about 15 minutes later, this is a donor story.
It's a little different than what you've been talking about tonight.
That's right.
One of the doctors that's on call comes into the lounge and starts yelling at me.
I said, What's going on?
You know, the nurse, the circulator is there, the surgical tech.
And he starts yelling.
He goes, When I talk to you, I want you to answer me.
Don't just walk away.
I said, What are you talking about, Doc?
I said, I've been in here for 20 minutes eating lunch.
He goes, Well, I just went into the room to get my head ramp, and you were in there, and you walked out the back door.
And I asked you a question, and he just kind of waved and said, like, bye to me, and just walked out into the scrub area.
And he goes, Next time you do that, he goes, I'll write you up.
And then the nurse goes, Doctor, you know, there's no one in this OR but us three people.
He goes, she goes, you just must be imagining it.
She goes, no one's in that room.
That was the room that we did the procurement in.
And the doctor goes, look, there's a little guy, just his size.
I ask him a question, he walks away from me.
The man that we did the procurement on was about my size.
His eyes just kind of, you know, he didn't want to fight us.
He goes, you've got to be kidding.
I said, no, doc.
I said, there's no one in there but us.
I'm the only man here.
I've been here for 20 minutes.
He just kind of looked at me.
I said, we just did a procurement in there an hour ago.
And you've never seen a doctor carrying pale white in all your life.
Yeah, and so that really raises complicated issues here and may deal with what you said you were encountering when you're talking about people having I know when Dr. Schwartz is on and talks about people contacting those who've passed over, that's right.
Maybe, just maybe this is playing some role in that first time caller line.
Uh, I would like to know if uh, are the synchronized pulsing of the cells from two different people also applicable to people in animal blood like perhaps, mrs Awkins, the chicken heart.
Are you familiar with mrs Aukins?
No, i'm not.
No oh, she's been around for nearly a century.
I mean it's, it is a chicken heart that has been alive for nearly a century.
Uh, that's not in the people heart field, of course.
So perhaps, and my other question is, in other words, does an animal, would an animal heart uh synchronize in the same way with a human heart, or even the blood cells?
Well, you know, I don't know if this is addressing your question, but one thing we have found is that uh, this is apocryphal, but I had a blind patient who had terrible heart cardiac arrhythmias and the only time those arrhythmias would steady out was when he had his hand on the heart of his dog.
But not only that, we've had several children, I'm sure you know of this, who have had seizures, and they have dogs that sense the seizure far before it happens and are able to go and throw the child down and hold the child down so they don't get hurt.
Cloning has been a reality for decades, also nearly a century, since almost the turn of the century, actually.
And transplants are fine for what they do, but when can we start looking forward to regeneration of our own organs the way our liver already regenerates itself?
I want to be able to regenerate everything in my body.
But I think your question is a very important and interesting one that has to also be addressed when we do such things as cloning.
Because what does this mean in terms of the energy, the memories, the electromagnetic aspects, and all that stuff we've talked about for these three hours?
Yeah, I think that there's a good rationale for what you're saying because I'm not so sure either that our model of the heart is just the pump is accurate either.
Anyway, the other thing is, do you think that the Bach remedies out of England would be of any use for the people suffering from nightmares?
Once they make their stories known and they're properly recorded as data, and before their own system stabilizes, maybe they could be helped with those.
And if that's not familiar, I can give you a couple of quick references.
And then MacTeild Schaefer out of I think Switzerland has done a wonderful book which concentrates on using them for psychological purposes rather than any tie-in to the physical.
Okay, last of all, there is a circle that comes back from the brain to the body in my mind, and that is that while the brain may be selfish, there is an unselfish, very universal aspect to that neocortex, which does not have any sight, any physical sight, but it does have a very wide reach.
And that's the part of the brain which can make the circle back to the loving heart, I think.
I think you're right, and I hope I'm not embarrassing Arthur, but I do believe on the website that Art's going to have somebody who wrote a book called Why God Won't Go Away.
Somebody in Tawn, Nashville, Tennessee, asks an interesting question, and that is, do you notice any difference between the effect of heart recipients and the effect of multiple, I mean, sometimes it's hearts and lungs and multiple organs.
We're doing some amazing things.
Is the effect at all magnified, or is there not enough research yet with multiple transplants?
Since I'm doing a lot of the research, there's not been enough of that kind, but the answer so far is a tentative yes, because the cases that we've had when there's been this heart lung transplantation, particularly, which is a lot of tissue going in and a lot of cells, yes, the effect does seem to be more found, more profound.
But you're going to have cynics now say, well, that's because the surgery was more radical.
That's a very, very important point you're making, because aside from Western science, indigenous science, scripture, religion has always talked about the importance of the role of the heart and a pure heart.
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Yeah, because it even says that Jesus said, first thou shalt love the Lord with your heart, then with your soul, then with your mind.
So, as I said earlier, it's a sacred, it is true aloha.
You know, Hawaiians speak of the na'au from the center of pain, and that's what if there's anything that comes out of the show, if anybody's thinking about donation, do it.
I'm listening on KNYE broadcasting from Prump on 95.1 FM.
That's the way to do it.
When I was a teenager, I read the teachings of an Indian spiritual teacher who said that whenever people say I from all over the world, say I referring to themselves, they point to the same spot, two digits to the right of the center of the chest between the two breaths.
So I've observed this for about 25 years now, and 100% of the time when people have said I without thinking instinctively, they have always pointed to the same spot.
And so I was just wondering if Dr. Piersall has ever observed to see, in terms of the seat of consciousness, where people with their finger actually point to automatically, even young children from all over the world when they say I.
Those people who really need the research, too, if they go back to Miracle and Maui or The Hearts Code, they'll find the data to support what we've said tonight.
Then I think not only the average person, but perhaps some heart transplant surgeons and people in the medical field probably ought to do a little reading as well, eh?