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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi Desert and the Great American Southwest, I bid you all a good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the known world, all in time zone.
		I'm Mark Bell and this is a Friday night, Saturday morning of Ghost Ghost AM, which will be very interesting, and I guarantee the show I have said for you on the day before Halloween, which I missed with a friend of Barbara McDonald, who were ghost investigators is going to be tonight, in the next hour.
		And what they've done, and they have done for Halloween, was to gather together what they considered to be the scariest of all the electronic voice phenomena they've recorded in the years they've been doing it.
		And so it's going to be a pretty interesting show, I'll tell you that.
		It's been a pretty interesting day, I can tell you that.
		Going back to the program last night, just before airtime, as usual, I received some photographs which appeared to be of prisoners being transported by the U.S. military.
		And without comment, I put the photographs up on the website, just like I do with every other photograph.
		No comment up there.
		Just here they are from an anonymous source.
		Well, then Matt Drudge quickly linked to my page, and then CNN picked up the story, and then everybody in the world picked up the story, and it was on all the networks.
		And here's the Associated Press version.
		The Pentagon today was investigating to find out who took and released photographs of terror suspects as they were flown in heavy restraints to the high-security prison in Cuba.
		Four photographs of prisoners, handcuffed heads covered with black hoods and bound on the floor of a cargo plane with nylon straps appeared overnight on the website of Radio Talk Show Foster Bell.
		Quote, anonymous mailer sends us photos taken inside a military C-130 transporting POWs, the headline said.
		In fact, that's all it said.
		That's right.
		The new photos are the first giving a glimpse into security measures aboard any of the airplanes used this year as prisoners were transferred from Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world to Guantanamo Bay Naval Facility.
		It has long been known that prisoners were heavily restrained, and photos of prisoners bound and kneeling after arrival at the prison earlier this year created a stir among human and prison rights groups.
		Officials said the photos on the plane were not authorized for release.
		It wasn't clear whether they were official photos or were taken for personal use by an individual soldier.
		It is at least the third time prisoner photos have troubled the Pentagon.
		Defense Department has limited the news media in the kind of photos it can take of prisoners from the war in Afghanistan, arguing that photos subjecting the prisoners to humiliation violate the Geneva Convention.
		Well, of course, not very likely in this case, since they all had black hoods over their heads, nobody was humiliated because nobody was identified.
		But you know, number one, to be honest with you, their best move would have been just to say nothing.
		Because all they did was verify the authenticity of photographs.
		I had no idea whether they were authentic when I put them up.
		And if I'd been in somebody at the Pentagon, I think I would have just said, ah, it's alright, Belle, you know, don't say anything.
		Nobody will ever know if they're real or not.
		They didn't do that instead.
		Here you go, you know.
		So away we went with all the press of the world earlier today.
		Steve and Austin writes, along with the millions, so what's the big deal?
		These are people who vowed to kill us and tried to succeed.
		Shall we fly them first class with wine and cheese and three course meals?
		Give me a break.
		They're lucky we didn't strap them to the wings.
		My own personal comment would be, you know, if you lose a few on the way, oops, there goes another one.
unidentified		Wouldn't have been any big deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are people who killed thousands of Americans.
		These are people who, along with Iraq, we're probably going to go to continued war with or enhanced war with, I suppose, if we end up fighting a war with Iraq.
		And the U.S. Security Council unanimously did approve a resolution on Friday giving weapons inspectors all the muscle they're going to need for illicit weapons in Iraq.
		The vote was a major victory for us, the U.S., started to countdown toward disarmament or war.
		Now, of course, Iraq is making lots of Iraq-like noises, you know, that we're bullies and we're not going to respond to the U.S. bullying, bloodshed, blah, blah, blah, typical stuff from Iraq.
		But when the rubber hits the road, and now they know when the rubber is going to hit the road, Iraq will have to say, yes, we will comply, and then they will have to, each step along the way, comply or else.
		So, no, I put those photos up there without comment.
		I think if you actually look at them, and I recommend you do, they're on my website at rfl.com, you'll see that in many ways, I think it's pretty humane treatment.
		I don't know what the Pentagon's embarrassed for, but it looks pretty humane to me.
		If you look at the photographs, they've got blankets down there.
		They've even got little ear protectors like you have to have on a C-130 so that you don't lose your hearing or have your hearing harmed in any way during the flight.
		You've got to wear those in a C-130.
		You know.
		Yeah, no, there's no stewardess going down the aisle there serving them the beverage of their delight or whatever.
		But personally, if the back door had opened and a big wind had come along in the first four or four or five rows, they'd go, it wouldn't have bothered me.
		To me, it was just an interesting photograph of our military operating efficiently, that's all.
		And look here, the Pentagon gets all upset.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, on the web page tonight, where those photographs are, you can also take a look at my webcam shot, which tonight is much better looking than me.
		This is my wife Ramona, along with her familiar.
		Yeti.
unidentified		That's her familiar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is quite a cat, I'll tell you.
		Anyway, there's Ramona.
		Much better to look at, I think, over the weekend.
		I'll leave it up through the weekend than my ugly puss.
		Now, remember that site, the March 8th site?
		I don't know.
		I'm sure a lot of you went up there to read about it.
		It was a guy with a story of the camera that he found, and then, actually, first a little piece of glass, and then he found the camera, and then, oh my God, he found film, and he found film that's got stuff on it that's going to just change the entire universe, and there's going to be this big global announcement and all this stuff.
		Well, the website is suddenly, history, disappeared, broken links.
		So, what do we conclude from that?
		Somebody got to it.
		The guy got so many hits he couldn't pay for the bandwidth.
		I don't know what we conclude from this, but we'll keep an eye on that website and see if it comes back up.
		This is very interesting.
unidentified		Very interesting.
unidentified		What do you think space smells like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ever consider that?
		Space.
		We shouldn't have any smell, right?
		Wrong.
		Again, this is very interesting from CNN.com.
		Headline, spacewalkers describe smoky, bitter smell of space.
		This is so interesting.
		While busy playing host to visiting cosmonauts, wrapping up experiments, and packing for home after nearly six months in orbit, the residents of the International Space Station took a breath to talk with CNN space correspondent Miles O'Brien.
		And here are just a few highlights from his long-distance chat with Peggy Whitson, I believe it is, W-H-I-T-S-O-N, Valerie Corzin, and Sergei Trushidev.
		O'Brien, one of the things I've never heard anyone describe was the smell of space.
		And this is in reference to when you, Whitson, brought in your suit from a spacewalk and had a very distinct smell.
		I mean, we're talking about the vacuum of space, and yet it has an odor.
		Describe it for us.
		Witson replies, some people call it kind of ozone-like.
		I wasn't sure what ozone was supposed to smell like, but it's kind of smoky and a little harsh, bitter-smelling, and it lasts variable amounts of time.
		I noticed that it didn't last as long in the docking compartment after we had done three spacewalks out of the airlock here.
		But it's really interesting because it's very distinctive.
		O'Brien, I don't think a lot of people know what ozone smells like.
		Is there another way to describe it?
		You described it in a letter on a NASA website as almost a burn smell.
		It's just very interesting, I think, to those of us down here on Earth.
		Whitson replies, Corzin said, it's kind of like a smell from a gun right after you fire the shot.
		I think it kind of almost has a bitter sort of smell in addition to being smoky and burned.
		Now, I thought those were extremely, extremely interesting responses.
		Now, why would space have a smell to it?
		There's no air.
		A smell can only be conducted by air.
		Well, now, wait a minute.
		She said she smelled this when she came inside the airlock.
		So that means that some substance or something in space has a smell.
		And when it's transported into an airlock where there is air, where it can be detected by the old human sniffer, we notice what it is, which means space does have a smell.
		Now, you wouldn't want to take off the old helmet and go, you know, because, well, you'd die, probably.
		There would be no air there.
		But once you brought it in to the air, space apparently attaches some kind of smell.
		And I thought that was extremely interesting.
		Well, what do you say?
		You want to do a few open lines?
		I'm open for, oh, there is one more item.
		And then we're going to go and do open lines.
		So if you have anything you want to say on the radio before we begin the Odyssey, which will occur at the top of the hour, and it's going to be extremely interesting, then you're going to want to get on the phones about now.
		Moonrocks weren't enough.
		This, again, is from CNN.
		Bless their hearts.
		Moonrocks weren't enough.
		Neither was testimony from astronauts or even photographic evidence.
		So NASA has commissioned a mini-book to show that, yes, indeed, Americans did land on the moon.
		Most Americans, most humans on Earth, accept that U.S. astronauts first got to the moon aboard Apollo 11 mission on July 20th, 1969.
		But there are those who do not believe.
		And they've created a sort of cottage industry of doubts.
		And that's what NASA wants to combat.
		Said Roger Lanius, NASA's former chief historian, I've been concerned for some time that there was a story that's circulating about how we never landed on the moon, and we would get periodically calls from people about how to respond to it, from teachers and others.
		You wanted to put together something educational, but instead we're going to get an entire book convincing us that we did indeed go to the moon.
		And I wonder, really, you know, I've had people on the air too, and Wayne Green doesn't think we went to the moon.
		A lot of people feel that way, but do you really think that we need NASA to essentially write a book?
		Do we?
		You know, trying to convince us that we really did go to the moon?
		You know what I say?
		Let's go back.
		That's what I say.
		Let's go back.
		How come once we did go to the moon, we came home and gave it all up?
		And we haven't gone anywhere since?
		President's always looking for some kind of good rallying point, going back to the moon, then on to Mars.
		That's the way to do it.
	The reason people are curious and beginning to be in doubt about it so much time has passed.
	It's natural.
	It seems incredible.
	Even then, I watched it on TV like everybody else at home, watched the first step on the moon.
	It's incredible.
	When you think about it, right?
	And maybe now so much time has gone by that it's becoming truly incredible.
	So incredible people can't believe it anymore.
	I don't know.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Richard here at Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Richard.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just spiffy.
unidentified		I knew you'd say that.
		I'm calling with a comment and a question for your Ghost Society people.
		Oh, yes.
		I had the pleasure, actually, of doing a feature film on Alcatraz many years ago.
		And while there, I inadvertently went into the old section of the prison, and I heard wails and noises, and I got really nauseous, and I didn't know it was the old section of the prison.
		And I wondered if your people, these people, had been to that prison.
		I got on last time, but we got cut off in the middle of a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alcatraz, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's interesting.
unidentified		Very interesting place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you heard some of the voices in past shows?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what can you say about that?
		The whole thing.
		I mean, you know, they use recorders.
		They use blank tapes.
		They are not making money.
		They have no agenda that I've been able to discern in all the shows we've done other than to get this information out.
unidentified		Well, to me it seems the more emotive types of dialogue that I hear is more reminiscent of what I heard.
unidentified		And some of that is not really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any question in your mind about what you're hearing?
unidentified		The only question I would ask is how much emotive or sensitivity do they feel in the voices?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		No, I actually meant any doubt about the fact that you're really hearing ghosts, but I don't think there was in his mind any doubt at all.
		I'll tell you kind of an interesting story.
		When Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, and maybe you want to make note of this, let's kill my own show here.
		My wife won't listen to it.
		She'll listen to a few of them.
		And then I'll tell you what her comments were.
		She said that she thinks listening to voices like this from the dead is going to psychologically set a person up to perhaps have a contact themselves along these lines.
		In other words, just the mere act of listening to it, she thinks, sets you up in a sort of a psychological mode would be the word, to be in receipt of or to have a door open to you and to have some kind of experience.
		And I'm not sure that's incorrect, and so you might bear that one in mind.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yes.
unidentified		Great to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I just had to call one time before you went off the air.
unidentified		I've tried for years and never been able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you've made it.
unidentified		Now I've made it.
		Made a little trip out to Perump this year.
		I loved your town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a beautiful town, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think Perump is really growing.
		I mean, they're building 177,000 square foot Walmart.
		You know, we all go down and watch the progress of Walmart.
		I mean, Perump is just growing great.
		It's going to be like Palm Springs.
		That's what it's going to be like.
		It's growing like crazy.
unidentified		Yeah, it's amazing.
		I drive a truck for Walmart, as a matter of fact, and we've actually considered transferring out in that area.
		Really?
		Yeah, but it was an amazing area.
		It was our first time out there, and we wandered around looking for radio towers all day and found your stage.
		It was interesting.
		It was the highlight of our trip.
		That'd be one thing we're going to miss you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Enjoyed it, and I appreciate everything you've done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Plug time.
		KNYE 95.1 Impromp.
		That's what he came out and found.
		Out here in the middle of the desert.
		It is truly beautiful and quiet, and it's a great place.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, number one, turn your radio off.
unidentified		My radio is off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number two, tell us which highway you're on.
unidentified		I'm in Hollywood, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I was listening to your show the night before last.
		Yes.
		I don't know what the gentleman's name was.
		Anyway, what I want to talk about was us being psychic.
		In other words, and being able to go into the past in the future.
		Traveling the past, the future in the future.
		And there's a concept called like isomorphism in which we are information.
		And information can be transformed from one form to another form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So in essence, we are not actually the matter so much as we are the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what.
		I've got a break here at the bottom of the hour, but I hope you are correct because the alternative means that as our very esteemed scientist said the other night, we just return to nothing when we die.
		I'm Arbell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, rocking on through the nighttime.
unidentified		Feeling all right.
		A little driving on a Saturday night.
		Come walk me.
		Gonna die a day away.
		Can I see?
		Show a smile for people as you need.
		Until it's dry.
		Let's go.
		Don't you love her, badly?
		Don't you need her, baby?
		Don't you love her, wait, tell me what you say.
		Don't you love her, baby?
		Wanna be her faith, don't you love her, faith?
		Don't you love her everyone?
		Don't you love her faith?
		Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
		All your love, all your love, all your love, all your love.
		All your love is wrong to sing along with song of a deep-loved dream.
		Seven horses seem to be on the mark.
		To rechart bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		Or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something about this phrase, these seven horses.
		I don't know what it is.
		Open lines from now to the top of the tower.
		You know the number.
		So get on the phone and let's rock.
unidentified		Seven horses sing.
unidentified		Two feet on the mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is interesting.
		Now I hear that the 8 March site 2003 is back up again, and there's some kind of disclaimer on that.
		That's very interesting.
		I wonder what's going on.
		Maybe he got so many hits.
		He got so much pressure.
		Well, whoever put that up, I told you, if you want to come on and tell at least this much of your story on the air, then contact me, and I will arrange it if your story justifies it.
		I'm Art Bell at MindSpring.com.
		That's how to get a hold of me, Art Bell.
		A-R-T-B-E-L-L at MindSpring.com.
		And if you don't, you have no guts.
		First time calling online, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Margaret calling from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yo, Margaret.
unidentified		Okay.
		I have a story that I've actually, as I've heard you and others talking over the years, I've always kind of wondered about it.
		And this happened to me when I was about 19 years old and my grandmother had just passed away.
		And I was sitting out in the backyard.
		Actually, she lived with us, so I had a very, very close relationship with her.
		And I was sitting out in the backyard contemplating all of this with my boyfriend at the time.
		And all of a sudden, out of the corner of the garden, this huge ball of light, something like 5,000 times the size of a firefly, zoomed into the yard, spun around, and then went straight up.
		And I said, did you see that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me first back you up a little bit.
unidentified		did you say we're sitting in the yard contemplating your grandmother's passing well i would Yeah, I was thinking about, you know, the fact that we had just gone to the funeral and how important she was in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It had just happened.
unidentified		It had just happened, yes, yes.
		And, you know, there have been times when I thought that perhaps it was my grandmother herself.
		And there were other times when I thought, well, maybe this is someone coming to take her where she needs to go.
		And I never quite could figure that out.
		But it was a really profound experience in my life and made me really question my very medical kind of family who believed only the things that they could touch and analyze and measure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a scientific kind of family.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's like the man I had on the air the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant man, one of our nation's top theoretical physicists and astronomers, but dead cold on anything after we kick the bucket.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead cold.
unidentified		Well, when you have an experience like that, I think.
		And I've really enjoyed Daniel Brinkley so much, too.
		He's brought many a bright spot to some kind of dismal times, as my mother's had Alzheimer's.
		And whenever I hear some of his talks, he's just a wonderful storyteller, firstly, and just brings such hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does indeed.
		Well, all right, in terms of what happened to you, I'm going to take a shot at it here loosely.
		Here it is.
		I think maybe that could have been any of, maybe this won't help you, but it could likely be one of the things that you described.
		Either it was grandmother herself making her presence known to you.
		Or I suppose it could have been somebody who or something that came to get her.
		I'd probably go for the first one.
		And, you know, a slight caveat here.
		Imagine the possibility that it could have been manifested from your own id.
		We all have to consider those possibilities.
		Even my guests coming up tonight have to consider the possibility because, you see, I believe that what they're actually recording on tape is it's real.
		There's no hokey-pokey here.
		There's no baloney.
		What's being recorded on tape is real.
		However, you have to imagine that they're going out with what in their heads?
		With the intent of recording the voices of the dead, right?
		So who is to say that their own active, alive, thinking brains do not manifest this on the tape?
		That has to be considered as one of the possibilities, as you may have manifested the event that you connect with your grandmother.
		Now, on the day that my dad died, you may recall he had cancer for some time, and on the day that he died, I got the news, you know, very in the middle of the night-ish kind of news.
		And early the next morning, a very unusual thing happened that's never happened before nor since, and that is a small Bat landed on my front porch.
		And this bat was a baby bat.
		And it just stayed there.
		It wasn't hurt.
		It didn't hit anything.
		It just, for whatever reason, in its little bat head, decided to land on my front porch, right?
		Not up, not hanging as it could have, but down right in front of our door.
		This little tiny baby bat.
		And my wife scooped him up and took him into the shade.
		You know, this was in the desert when it was hot and we didn't want him hot.
		So we took him around to our breezeway and we put him in the shade.
		And the little bat stayed there all day long.
		And when nightfall came, the little bat went away.
		That happened the day my dad died.
unidentified		So I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, good evening, Art.
		Pleasure talking with you.
		This is George, listening to you on WABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, George.
unidentified		Hi.
		I wanted to talk to you about EVP.
		I have a quick comment on that smell of space, which I may offer some insight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		A lot of the materials that are used by NASA are graded for their outgassing characteristics.
unidentified		And outgassing is a phenomenon which happens on Earth, but also happens in space resulting from the heating of materials, especially plastics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So like maybe their own spacesuits or something?
unidentified		It could be their own spacesuits subject to the solar radiation being heated up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		And they continue to outgass when they're in that air chamber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although, you know, they so clearly said that they identified it as the smell of space.
		You know, you would think that would be the first explanation that would occur to anybody, certainly an astronaut or a cosmonaut, right?
		I mean, wouldn't that occur to them?
		but instead they've described it as the smell of space.
unidentified		Well, maybe everything smells...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're not dummies.
		They would think the same thing, that the ultraviolet, you know, hitting their suits or something would be causing that.
		But that's not what they said.
		They said it was the smell of space, and you'd think they'd, you know, know enough to know the diff.
unidentified		Well, unless these were first-timers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were trained astronauts and cosmonauts.
unidentified		They were all trained on the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I'm sure some of them had been up before.
unidentified		I'm not sure, because there's a lot of new people up on the space station these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but I think the captain and all that has to have experience or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do I know?
unidentified		Okay, well, regarding EVP, I'd like to...
		EVP, I appreciate your correcting me on that.
		Would it make sense to one who's astute in audio like you are to take the actual audio that is recognizable as ghosts trying to speak to us on the other side and to try to analyze that audio and to try to fine-tune a recording system,
		a microphone and backup electronics for recording to that particular frequencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how they could do that more than they're doing that now.
		And that is to say that they always use a microphone which would capture anything actually audible.
		And it seems to capture that which is not audible as well.
		And so I don't know what frequency they'd be trying to capture.
unidentified		Do you?
unidentified		Well, what I'm getting at is if they notice that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're all different.
		You've got children on there.
		You've got old men.
		You've got old women.
		You've got middle-aged people.
		You seem to have all ages represented from the other side, for whatever that's worth.
unidentified		This is true, but maybe if they actually took the audio and put it through a, you know, get waveform analysis out of it, understand maybe there's a characteristic to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's a thought toward what you've just said.
		Suppose you were to take, that's a pretty good idea, actually, take a waveform analysis, he was correct certainly about that, of, say, a ghost.
		And then do a little bit of research until you find a recording of the person's voice that matches that waveform and connect it to, oh, I don't know, the cemetery where you've done the recording, the opera house where the singer was murdered, to get a little more dramatic, or whatever other piece of drama happened at the moment that whatever it is became a ghost.
		And match those waveforms.
		Then you'd really have something, wouldn't you?
		Because you would have just matched the waveform of a dead person.
		That's a pretty good idea.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Kathy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Kathy.
unidentified		I tell you what, I'm listening tonight on News Talk Radio 1240 WFOY in St. Augustine.
unidentified		But when I'm at home, I listen on WSKY the Sky FM, 97.3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So the gentleman that you just spoke with pretty much echoed just what I was going to say about the spacesuits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		That, you know, maybe it's just the materials of the suits, even though they're designed to withstand a lot.
unidentified		Maybe they are succumbing in part to the effects of the vacuum of space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		As I said, I absolutely can't rule that out.
		However, these are astronauts and cosmonauts who are saying this.
		And they're saying it's the smell of space.
		And you would think the first thing they would think of is what we just talked about, I would imagine.
		And so instead, they are describing it as the smell of space.
		That's what intrigued me about it.
unidentified		Me too.
		I have another thing to mention about deja vu.
		If I could mention that to you.
		I tell you what, George talks about it a lot, of course.
		And it's been discussed whether deja vu, when we get that feeling that maybe we're remembering something we dreamed.
		And that idea has kind of been poo-pooed.
		But I have had experiences that lead me to think that it really is something from dreams.
		And if I can tell you a short story, I'd love to tell you.
		Okay.
		I've always had little deja vu feelings since I was a little kid.
		And I can remember, you know, when I first started learning subtraction, I can remember having that feeling one day, oh boy, I think I've been here before.
		And then remembering, oh, I dreamed this.
		And I had it happen as a teenager, and it became more clear, oh, this is what they mean by deja vu.
		And when I had my first job in a military subcontractor making wire harnesses, I was sitting with one of the inspectors one day.
		We were looking at a little harness that I made.
		I wasn't very good at it.
		But the young woman and I were talking about a guy we knew there.
		And I'm sitting and we're looking at the harness and talking, talking, talking.
		And I start to think, oh, I've got that feeling.
		Oh, I dreamed this.
		And just when I started thinking that, Sheila, the inspector, said, she dropped the harness.
		She said, I've been here before.
		And I knew I had dreamed it, but she just had deja vu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know.
		Gee, I don't know.
		Maybe you were both there before, huh?
unidentified		Maybe.
unidentified		But I always enjoy remembering that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And with regard to how to subtract, you mean you started, you had that before you ever began to be instructed in how to subtract?
unidentified		No, well, I dreamed about this.
		We had been in school.
		I was in the first grade, and we had been in school, and we had been doing math and stuff, but we hadn't done the subtracting yet, and it was difficult for me.
		And when we started doing that, I tell you what, it just occurred to me, oh, I dreamed about this difficult thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		Okay, thank you, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		There's a lot of things about school that seem like deja vu.
		School was very interesting from that point of view, wasn't it?
		Remember that?
		Remember school?
		A lot of moments, particularly when you're young, if there is anything to the concept that we have been here before and we reincarnate, our souls come back, and we reincarnate into a body and don't have conscious memories of what we have done before, then it could either be that or perhaps, as she has suggested, intriguingly, a dream.
		The dej vu simply produced not by another life, but by a dream, which would register Ching Jing in the subconscious.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		On the topic of the Al-Qaeda prisoners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		Anybody who would criticize how they're being treated is flat-out ignorant.
unidentified		If they knew how prisoners are tortured and beaten around the world, they would be happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And particularly Americans.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, just all over countries, Malaysia.
		I mean, people are just, they're just torn apart in jails.
		And if they knew that, they would be happy that these al-Qaeda people are being treated the way that they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		frankly uh...
		i thought it was sort of an advertisement for humane treatment myself but when they consider but To me, it was like, you know, here's people that, you know, were part of a group that just killed thousands of Americans and were at war with them and yet were bringing them back to me, if not in relative comfort.
		You know, like you point out, they weren't being tortured or tossed out.
		That's what went through my mind, you know, out the door.
unidentified		Yeah, Americans are so pampered.
		They have this expectation, but they have no concept of what goes on around the world.
		Now, here in California, you're probably aware that some judges are beginning to reconsider the three strikes law because they say, well, prisoners, they're going to jail because they stole golf clubs for long terms.
		Well, look, why don't you consider the rap sheet that got them there?
		The rap sheet is 10 pages long, and there's 1,000 victims behind all these crimes that they did.
		But they don't ever mention that in the news reports.
		They just say, oh, this poor individual is going to jail because he stole some golf clubs.
		You've got to think about the big picture, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, there is, though, there is a bigger picture, another side to at least consider on the three strikes thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, the idea of three strikes was to put away the dangerous, repetitive, real bad guys, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's say you get somebody who gets busted for, I don't know, one big thing, and then one little thing, and then one more little thing, relatively, I don't know, shoplifting or something, right?
		And then they're going to prison for life.
		Well, they're taking up that prison cell that could be used for murder.
		And do you know that murderers, I believe, get out of jail on average.
		These people convicted of murder, sir, on average they're out of jail in seven and a half years.
		That's true.
		So it's like everything else.
		You've got to kind of weigh it a little bit.
		I mean, yeah, we've got somebody who screwed up three times, including two rather minor things, in jail for life, and we don't have room to put this murderer in, keep them there for more than seven and a half years.
		That kind of sucks.
unidentified		Yeah, but we could do what they do in Arizona, where they bivouack them in these army camps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you really got that.
		Well, sure, I did, but that's not for hardcore people.
		You know, that bivouac thing, that's for short-time county or state kind of offenders-level people who didn't do murders and rapes and all that sort of thing.
unidentified		But if you're running out of room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The security would be too loose.
unidentified		If you're running out of room, it's a good way to start.
		I mean, because you have to protect society if you're going to let people off, even though they're habitual criminals because they did something minor.
		They're just going to victimize another person.
		How many stories do we have to hear that somebody got out of jail and killed somebody else when they should have been in there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the one most likely to do that, sir, would be a murderer.
		Listen, I got to go.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		I appreciate the call.
		Believe me, I appreciate the call.
		Here are the girls.
		One, four, five.
		I love this ring.
		And they do kind of sound like an early Abba.
unidentified		I mean, listen to that.
		Listen to that harmony.
		Listen to that.
		Listen to that.
		Many fingers go any honey comes and disappears.
		Happy mobile hypno-type.
		Happy mobile hypno-type.
		She's coming in twelve baby nights.
		Moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide her towards salvation.
		I stopped to know them on the way.
		Hoping to find some old forgotten words for ancient families.
		She turned to me as if to say, pretty boy, it's waiting there for you.
		Gonna take your life to take me away from you.
		There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do.
		I guess the rain's down in Africa.
		Gonna take some time to do the things we never did.
		Thank you.
		Bye.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might want to be warned, what you're about to hear is indeed frightening.
		It really is frightening.
		I mean, if you're cruising along at 60 or 70 miles an hour on a highway in a big 18-wheeler, this is where you might want to think about turning on the CV.
		Trust me.
		Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS.
		The GIS is a non-profit organization.
		They don't take money dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
		Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anybody who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomenon or those who are just simply curious.
		In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena that you're going to hear tonight presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, Death and Ghosts.
		Coming up next.
		Well, for Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, welcome back to the program, you two.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thanks to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't hear the show in the first hour, did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a couple of comments about you all, and we talked about it a little bit.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, unfortunately, we didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Well, that's life.
		I'm going to tell you a little bit of what was said, and before we get into these, and I know we've got quite a scary lineup tonight, but my wife, Ramona, doesn't listen to this show when you all are on.
		She'll listen to a little bit of it, but it creeps her out, and not much creeps her out, believe me, but it creeps her out so badly, she is of the view that listening to this and listening to these voices,
		ostensibly probably the voices of the dead, opens doors for you as you listen, that you might not be able to close, opens doors that might create an experience, that might create an atmosphere that will cause an experience to occur to you.
		That's what she thinks.
		What do you think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have heard that discussing it, even the subject matter, can open a door or something for someone else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		And so what do we do on these shows?
		We not only discuss it, but we demonstrate voices coming from the other side.
		Or there is one other possibility.
		And that was suggested, too, in the first hour.
		And you know what that is?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That these voices, I mean, everybody, I think, pretty much agrees, you know, everybody's looked at you two and how you do it.
		No, we don't think there's any fraud involved in this.
		What we're hearing is real.
		I've come to that conclusion personally.
		It's real.
		So then you've got to just start asking, okay, so it's real.
		So what are the possibilities?
		One of the possibilities has to be that it's coming from the two of you, or in the case of more of you, five of you, what is it, five in the GIS now?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That when you consider the fact that you all are going to graveyards and prisons and oh, I've still got that cool story here about the Wyoming spirited prisons documenting the fact that you went up to the Rawlings, Wyoming prison.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got that whole story here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that, Associated Press or what?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it was Denver Post, and it did go over the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Denver Post, all right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The Associated Press.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a long story, actually.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Three or four of the voices from tonight's show are from the Rawlins Penitentiary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From that penitentiary, yeah.
		Here you are Packing up your tape recorders, getting your microphones ready, getting these blank tapes that are brand new, and unwrapping the plastic and putting them in so that you're sure you're not getting anything from anywhere else.
		I mean, it's all quite reasonable to me and to the audience.
		But how do we know these voices are not coming from the id?
		How do we know these voices are not coming from people who want to hear them so badly that with their conscious living brains, they're not projecting these voices?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, really what you're talking about is a subjective voice, something that we want to hear so bad that we're going to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that you literally manifest it.
		This is not just something we're hearing.
		By God, it really is on these tapes as they're about to hear from themselves.
		It's really there.
		So the only thing could be that you're manifesting it yourself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That would be a really great argument, aside from the fact that we receive contemporary information at times.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And information that we don't even know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you yourselves aren't aware of?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Somebody else called in the first hour with a pretty interesting idea.
		A lot of times, most times, you're going to specific locations, right?
		You're going to prisons, you're going to graveyards where there's some chance that the ghost or the entity that we're hearing on tape could be identified, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, any place that has reported haunting activity is where we're going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
		But a lot of times, the identity of the entity is known.
		In other words, somebody committed suicide and they know who that was.
		Or some child died in some tragic way and they know who that was, that spirit who's doing the haunting.
		Sometimes that's true, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes that is.
unidentified		Through the idea, the possibility that it's that person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So you're capturing a voice on tape, for God's sakes.
		You could do a waveform on that.
		You could look at a waveform.
		The human voice has very distinct characteristics, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you could go back and find a recording of the person whose spirit is doing the haunting, and you could compare the waveforms.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very good idea to do if we could find a recorded voice of the person suspected haunting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've had a few of those.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me.
		And then if you really wanted to go into the investigation mode, you'd go back and find a recording of that person when they were alive and compare waveforms.
		And if you got a match, you'd have a pretty strong argument.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we would.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		But the only problem, a lot of the places that we go, and I'm not saying all, but a lot of the places that we go are very old historic buildings.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And some of the people that are supposedly haunting these buildings died 100 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you could not have obtained a recording of that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's quite a lot of the cases that we go on are very old hauntings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that in itself is a kind of interesting thing, isn't it?
		Very old hauntings.
		Why wouldn't you be more likely to hear from the recently departed than the dearly departed?
		That was gone for quite a while.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it's all just theory.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to try and figure out how this stuff happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the new ones are all in processing, you know?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that could be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Filling out paperwork.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that it's a very difficult process, whatever the process is, to be able to imprint that voice on to a tape or digital recorder, any other recording device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		For those who didn't hear the last show, that's the newest innovation, folks, that the GIS have undertaken.
		Previously, all of it was analog.
		They took out tapes and tape recorders, and they just recently began taking digital recorders out, and they didn't think it would work, did you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, no, we were very skeptical about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surprise, surprise.
		Not only did it work, but the improved audio could not be better.
		I mean, it just is everything you would hope for in a digital machine showing up just like it did on tape.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, it's prompted us to go out and get two more digital recorders now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So we're using about five microcassette tape recorders plus three digital plus a real-time recorder that has been modified and made for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, isn't that well, all right, then fine.
		Let's get into it.
		We've got quite a program to do tonight.
		We were going to do it Halloween, but my back was kicking up.
		No, it wasn't either.
		It was the audio that stopped working.
		All the lines were cutting.
		Oh, God.
		So anyway, here we are finally, and I've looked forward to this.
		So tonight, away we go.
		Let's do number one.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This first voice was recorded by GIS member Jenny.
		We had gone to a cemetery that had a lot of ghost activity reported from employees and people that have families and loved ones buried there.
		And we had been walking around and no one was talking when this voice was recorded.
		Jenny hadn't asked anything or hadn't asked for anybody to respond to her.
		But this voice comes in and it says Alma Berg here.
		It's like someone is identifying herself.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		here we go Okay, that's pretty weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Alma Berg here.
		Alma, A-L-M-A, Alma Berg here.
		Just like somebody calling attention to the fact that I see you walking around out there in the cemetery.
		Alma Berg here.
unidentified		Here I am in the same damn cemetery.
unidentified		Here we go again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
unidentified		hold on Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just great.
		Alma Berg here.
		Now, you're in a cemetery.
		So how could you not, once you've come back, and those were the days when you would come back and review, I guess you still do when you get home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you get the name Alma Berg, you've got to go back to the cemetery and start looking at the tombstones, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's a very large cemetery, and Jenny's not really sure exactly where she was when she recorded this voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you find any Alma Bergson?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Many Almas, and we have found Bergs, but we haven't found an Alma Berg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		That's very interesting.
		Okay, all right.
		The second one?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one, it was recorded in a train station, a very old Union Pacific train station.
		And it's now a train museum.
		And on this clip, Barbara recorded this, and you're going to hear the night security guard or maintenance worker say, I know it was a kid because I hear the kid.
		And he's speaking in a very strong Spanish accent.
		And right after that, you hear a child say, come to Papa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the person, let's go over this again.
		The person saying, I know it was a kid because I hear the kid.
		Who is that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		This is the night maintenance worker there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so he was there and alive, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was there.
		And then we're actually speaking with him.
		However, the second voice we hear come to papa is a child's voice, and it sounds absolutely nothing like this man that's speaking right before him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		I know it's cute because I can't be cute.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The child's voice.
		God.
		The children, the children, they really get me.
		Let's listen one more time.
		That child's voice is very distinct.
unidentified		I know there's kids because I hear the kids, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way anybody in that room said anything that could have remotely been that, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, not that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't have any children in there at all?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, this was probably about 12.30 at night after the museum had closed.
		And he's had a lot of activity experiences in this building.
		Him and other workers that work in this building.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that's actually what he's referencing to in that clip when he says, I know it was a kid because I hear the kid.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		He's heard children in there when the place has been locked up and closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another concerning thing is if you're getting mainly voices that have been dead for a very long time, that means that one's period of time in the ghost world is not short by our measured standards anyway at all, but very, very long by our measured standards.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I really don't believe they have a concept of time.
		I think that's a completely human characteristic.
		That's something that we add to our lives.
		And once somebody passes on, that does not affect them anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, doesn't having a consciousness of some sort mandate the ability to discern the passing moments?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but if consciousness lasts forever, then this is just a blink in this life.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's something that we have absolutely no concept of right now.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine 100 years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, any form of what we call consciousness, that's self-awareness.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that is really continued on the other side, then you would notice the passing minutes and days and weeks and months and years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the concept of time is completely different when you don't have a physical body.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's no aging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No aging.
		But there may be a notice of age, of time passage.
		That's what I'm getting at.
		It seems so torturous.
		All right, number three.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is in the same Union Pacific Railroad Museum.
		And we've done many investigations in this location.
		And we were up on the second floor, which is a long, they've made it into an art gallery.
		And we were standing there, and the pipes started rattling.
		We could audibly hear these pipes rattling.
		We've been there many times.
		We've never heard the pipes do this before or since.
		And I recorded this voice before the pipes started.
		You'll hear this voice say, make the pipes do it now.
		And then the pipes will start banging.
unidentified		here we go all uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		bar You know, I don't know why you didn't just play the first part all three times with the actual banging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a freaky part to me.
unidentified		You're listening.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee you, if those pipes started banging like that and I was there, I'd be running.
		I'd be taken off a million miles an hour.
		That's a sign of, I don't know what that's a sign of, but it's not good.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think it's simply just to get your attention.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, anything they can do to affect your physical world, I mean, I think that's really what they want to do, is get your attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has doing the work that you two have done negated your fear of death?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just, to me, I think it's important are you afraid of death?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, all right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it's important how our mental state is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, but a lot of times you have no control over that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brendan, are you afraid of death?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm not.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not after all this.
		All right.
		Hold on, you two.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		See, don't feel the rain.
		Oh, do the wind, the sun, and the rain We can be like they are Come on, baby, don't feel me good Baby, take my hand.
		Baby, you're flying.
		Baby, I'm lonely.
		Yes, it's a baby.
		You're driving with your hands.
		I was dancing with baby on a shoulder, just trying to set my light, my license in the sky, the lights and the new, everything's fine.
		Always wanting more In your longing for Black velvet And that little boy's Smile Black velvet Like a slow southern sky A new Reach out everything out to me to reach art bell in the Kingdom of Nye.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what you're listening to is voices from the dead, voices from the other side.
		Seems like that's the only thing it can be.
		Particularly with the contemporary nature of some of the remarks with knowledge that neither of these two would have.
		You wouldn't think it would be manifestations from the id, from these two members of the GIS, but really voices from the other side.
unidentified		That's something to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back into the night, more ways than one.
		My guests are the GIS folks, Barbara Macbeth, Brennan Cook.
		Barbara first billing for change.
		All right, you two, back you are.
		And, you know, people are saying, is this a repeat or what?
		No, this is kind of like a show of the best of.
		And depending on which shows you caught, some of these you may have heard before or not.
		Probably in a lot of cases not.
		And I'm sure there's a few new things thrown in here as well.
		So it's a combination of some of the freakiest that we wanted to do for Halloween and are doing here a week delayed.
		Number four, where was number four done?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one was another cemetery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't like number four.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know you love it, so let me put that one on there for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a love-hate kind of thing.
		When I say I don't like number four, it scares the hell out of me.
		And some of the others here scare the hell out of me.
		That's what I mean by I don't like it.
		So like it, yeah, it's scary, but it's really scary, so I don't know how much I like it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this clip, you're going to hear GIS member Roger say, it's just a great picture I'll have to show you guys.
		And right after he says that, you hear what sounds like an older lady say, I'm completely dead.
		It's almost like a self-realization.
		Like us being there, she just realized, oh, I'm dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way.
		There's no halfway point here.
		I'm really completely dead.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just great.
unidentified		Please have to show you guys.
unidentified		I'm completely dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what's being said there.
		Does that sound like an old woman's voice?
		Listen again.
unidentified		I'm completely dead.
		I'm completely dead.
		I'm completely dead.
		Thank you.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could hear in the repeats that you did for us that you ran the gain up a little bit so that we were able to hear that voice a little more clearly.
		You could actually hear the boost in the gain, but that's all.
		Otherwise, the audio was exactly the same.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, directly off the audio tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm completely dead.
		and so from that you what you think that people don't know they're dead when they Well, I think definitely in some cases that's.
		In other words, he really never knew what hit him.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, definitely, you know, if somebody's expecting to die and they're suffering from a long illness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean that's one thing.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they've prepared themselves for that.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		If somebody gets hit by you know a Mac truck or you have an embolism and exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean you don't even know I wonder where do you think you first wake up?
		Well maybe that's a poor choice of words.
		Where do you think your consciousness first becomes aware of a new location?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I mean that's all theory.
		I do believe that some people do not realize that they're dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the next EVP answers the question.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this one is kind of different.
		We were at an old military fort in one of the buildings that used to be one of the bunkers, and they've turned this building into a museum.
		And we were there with local Channel 13, Fox Channel, doing a Halloween special one morning.
		We got there at about 5 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so not only that, but then that means you had additional guardians who were probably looking real hard at you guys since they're TV people with cameras and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're probably looking real hard at you guys trying to figure out if there's some ruse going on or something.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, we invite that.
		I mean, we have nothing at all to hide.
		I mean, we want to show people that this is a legitimate thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this was actually recorded while you were with this news team?
unidentified		Yeah, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And this was recorded by GIS member Barry.
		And we had been investigating this building in the dark, and someone had just turned on the lights when he recorded this voice.
		It sounds like a young child.
		There was no children there in the building.
		And it says it's dark in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		we go There's no mistaking that.
		There's no two ways about that.
		That is not even close to or could guess to be an adult voice.
		That is a child.
		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You can tell the way he pronounces his words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say, in fact, that sounds like a child of about five or six years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven, maybe, eight.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that actually almost seems common with a lot of the children's voices that we do get, very young children around that age.
unidentified		Listen again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no mistaking the timber of that voice.
		There's no mistaking it.
		That's a child.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And the interesting thing is I had picked up a woman's voice in that building at the same time, and Barry recorded this child's voice.
		And I had called the curator of this museum and told him that we had recorded a woman's voice and the child's voice there.
		And he says, well, that's really interesting because he says, I just barely found out that there were women and children on the base, on the fort, when it was first built back in the 1800s.
		They were kept down in the basement for their protection.
		The women were referred to as laundresses.
		Some of them were wives of the soldiers that were stationed there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laundresses.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And so there were women and children in that building back in the 1800s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, but what that says about death, all those things it says about death that are so indigestible.
		Number six.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I've heard number six.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one, it was recorded inside of a mausoleum by GIS member Roger.
		And previous to this voice being recorded, Roger had said, our lights won't hurt you.
		And he's referring to the infrared lights just in case they can see them and they're scared by the lights and the flashes that are going off.
		And you won't hear him say that, but you will hear the voice say, our death gate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our death gate?
unidentified		a death game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		I hadn't heard that before.
		That is almost like Hollywood dramatic ghost stuff there, folks.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it really is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on, that's the whisper from the other.
unidentified		Deathgate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's almost, that's drama big time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't it hit you that way?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the echoey, I mean, it's kind of echoey in that building, this mausoleum is very echoey because of all the marble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even that given it, it's obviously some kind of forced whisper.
		Right.
		Listen.
unidentified		Power.
		Dead Keeper.
		Power.
		Dead Keeper.
		Power.
		Dead Keeper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Death gate.
		You know, a lot of people think that the pyramids in Egypt, specifically the largest of the pyramids, was exactly that, a death gate.
		Did you know that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, huh?
		Well, it's true.
		That's what the Egyptians thought, that the pyramid was a virtual machine that, in effect, would launch the king's spirit or soul on its journey to the stars.
		Very specific stars, by the way.
		But that's what the Egyptians thought, that in essence, it was a death gate.
		All right, number seven.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Jenny.
		And you'll hear her telling a person that was with us, her voice is on the tape.
		You'll hear her say, this is where, over here, where Roger got grabbed.
		And it sounds like a young girl that responds, and she says, help me find my dad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Help me find my dad.
		He got grabbed?
		What do you mean?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were walking in the cemetery at a previous night, and he felt like someone had grabbed his arm.
		He described it.
		He said it felt like long, bony fingers that had grabbed his arm.
		And he was expecting to see a hand, and there was nothing on him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long, bony fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how is it that your members can go through an experience like that having long, bony fingers grab their arm and still be a member of your group?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really, I mean, to be honest, that's what we're trying to experience.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, things like that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You prepare yourself to experience anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really want the physical to occur?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		If anything physical happens, that's a plus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it is.
unidentified		This is over here.
		The logic I'll grab.
		6, 7, 8, 5.
		6, 7, 8, 5.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		That's a child big time, and the child, that's a very young child, and the child is saying, oh, God, it's saying, help me find my dad.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I need to stress, I mean, I'm sure, you know, I have before, but how the emotions in these voices are all very distinct and very different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A man in the first show said, all the voices that seem to get through are so emotive.
		They're so emotive.
		That's the right word.
		I mean, they're just full of emotion.
		And they're just pouring.
		Emotion is just pouring out of them.
		And if you listen carefully to that young girl's voice, there's emotion just pouring out of it.
		Listen.
unidentified		This is over here.
unidentified		I'll grab a little crisp, a little bit of a hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's almost crying.
unidentified		What's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's almost crying.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's what it sounds like.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's very pitiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pitiful.
		And it doesn't seem to me like, you know, on the other side that if you're a kid, the first thing that happens to you is you get lost.
		You know, I mean, that sounds like a kid out in the middle of nowhere in a city somewhere grabbing a stranger, pleading, help me find my dad.
		That's what that sounds like.
		I mean, come on, folks.
		What does that say about the other side?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's like how we perceive it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, apparently not.
		I mean, after all, most people think the majority of people, I would think, think they're going to heaven or a place called heaven or, you know, a nicer-to-be place.
		That's what they always say.
		He's now in a nicer place, right?
		Yeah.
		Well, see, that doesn't sound like a nicer place.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's definitely our perception that when we die, we will go to a nicer place.
		We'll go to heaven.
		Like Barbara's always said, I think if you have a lot of unresolved issues when you're alive, if you have a lot of mental issues when you're alive, you just, you can't let go of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not berating you in any way at all.
		I'm just saying, good God, some of these are, you know, I mean, you begin to consider the nature of what's on the other side and you hear a little girl's voice pleading to find her dad.
		That's as bad as it gets.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and the thing is, I mean, she may have died very suddenly and realized that her dad had passed on and thinking she was going to see her dad on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's, in fact, what we think, right?
		We think we're going to see our loved ones.
		We're going to be with our loved ones on the other side.
		That doesn't sound like any guarantee to me.
		Oh, well.
		One more here before we get to the top of the hour.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, this one, this is where we start off the Rollins Penitentiary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Rollins.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And this was recorded inside the death house of Rollins.
		Actually, it was pretty close, I believe, to the gas chamber.
		And it was recorded by GIS member Jenny.
		And another local Fox affiliate had followed us on this one and actually stayed overnight in the death house with us when this voice was recorded.
		And in this clip, you're going to hear a woman say, these guys are so funny.
		And she's referring to the local Fox affiliate that was with us, the two men that were hearing male's voice say, I appear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen carefully.
unidentified		I fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appear.
		and this was recorded uh...
		near a death house uh...
		or immediately adjacent to a death chamber an execution change here That would be a pretty wild place, it seems to me, to think about going to record anything.
		It would be a prison, and then, of course, if that prison was one that did executions, I mean, that's really going the extra mile, the extra green mile.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, I mean, if mental anguish and mental suffering and unresolved issues is what causes someone to stay behind.
		What better place than a prison?
		I mean, to go to, especially a prison that was in operation for a long time, where people have had a chance to be institutionalized and have been incarcerated for 40 years and have literally somewhat gone insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, two things here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One, I have heard that long-term prisoners, prisoners who have been in prison for life, who are suddenly or unexpectedly given an opportunity to get out, cannot handle the freedom and do not want to be out and, if necessary, will commit another crime to get back in again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, people have been in prison 30 and 40 years, those kinds.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, in this prison, there was a man who, I believe, was incarcerated for 40 years, somewhere between 30 and 40 years.
		And of course, by this time, by the time his parole had come up, he was older.
		His family had moved away and pretty much forgotten about him.
		They let him out, and he went on to the front yard of the prison, ate his lunch, and walked back inside and asked to be let back in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And did they?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they did, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been to the prison that's now inactive off the coast there in San Francisco?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Alcatraz?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we haven't.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've done other prisons so far.
		The one in New Orleans is, to me, the atmosphere and everything in that prison just takes the cake.
		I would like to go to the Alcatraz prison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was going to ask.
		In other words, you are here on the West Coast, right?
		You're up, I think, in Utah, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would be doable to be able to do that.
		It's feasible.
		And it seems to me Alcatraz would be a prime opportunity because it was such a high-security, totally weird place where many, many, many died.
		And it's so separate, it's so isolated, it's so perfect for the kind of experiment that you do.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It really is, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So somebody did call in the first hour and suggested Alcatraz, and I thought I would bring that up to you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we would like to do Alcatraz if we ever have the opportunity to get there, and it's feasible for us to do it, and we can get permission to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think probably you can do all of the above.
		What you'll get, that's another question.
		Hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
		We've got Barbara and Brendan.
		They're GIS members, two of five, who go to cemeteries, prisons.
		We're in a prison right now.
		And they record the voices of the dead.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Music
		Once upon a time, once when you were young, I remember your time happy.
		Nothing.
		War.
		Yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again, y'all.
		War.
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
unidentified		War.
		I despise.
		Cause it means the structure of this life.
		War me in tears.
		The thousands of mothers I have.
		When their sons go to fight.
		And lose their lives.
		I said war.
		Good.
		Good God, y'all.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Call myself in the kingdom of 9 from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-8255-033.
		First time callers may recharge at 1775727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is open at 1775727-1295.
		To recharge on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Arpelle from the Kingdom of I. Certainly got war in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd also think it'd be a fertile ground for ghosts, huh?
unidentified		War?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we'll ask about that.
unidentified		Sit, sit, sit, walk.
		Oh, yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Mario's Scream
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, from Utah, here's the GIS.
		Y'all are from Utah.
		Are you Mormons?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not Mormons?
		Some?
		How does the Mormon religion, if you know, look at the kind of work you're doing?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		As far as I know, they believe in life after death.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, I've had many very active Mormons tell me about experiences that they've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		That's interesting.
		Really is interesting.
		All right, number nine.
		These are kind of freaky, folks.
		I mean, we're in a prison here.
		We're in Rollins prison.
		This is the one I have the Denver Post story on here.
		Rollins, Wyoming.
		And how many people were there when you came through, when you went through?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We actually went through on I think four series of investigations, three or four series of investigations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And the majority of the time it was just the five of us and the director of the prison itself.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The very last time that we went, which was September 21st of 2001, it was the five of us, the director of the prison, Another female that worked at the prison and the two Fox, the people that worked for Fox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fox, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people who were now in charge of the prison, were they surprised at what you got?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was a little disturbing because the director, she said that she's got an agreement with the prison that she will take care of the prison.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Just don't bother her, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		She's uncomfortable about ghost activity, but people that have worked for her have told her about experiences that they've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number nine, again in the prison, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This is in the prison.
		This voice and the previous voice were recorded on three different tape machines.
		Barry and Jenny recorded these voices very clear.
		Mine was quite a distance away from them and didn't pick up as loud and clear.
		But they were recorded on three different tapes.
		This one, it tells us to get out, and then you'll hear GIS members talking, and then it tells us to get out again.
		It's quite loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		right let's see Yeah, the second time louder, the second time get out, louder.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it seems much more adamant about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That seems like a pretty strong message to me.
		Get out's clear.
		Get out.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That was in the death house.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was also recorded almost.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, it was pretty much recorded in the same area that I appear, the previous voice was recorded in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you're told to get out, I mean, there's just no way when you go back and listen to that, that you can't say, bam.
		You know, I mean, that's a very clear instruction.
		It's not exactly ambiguous in any way.
		It's quite clear.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It was quite adamant about us getting out.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And really, I mean, those are the kinds of voices that we want to record.
		I mean, not necessarily saying get out, but very loud, clear, strong voices like that.
		And that really, that get out does not surprise me that we recorded that there because, I mean, obviously we're in a prison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One more time.
unidentified		One more time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a lot of times these EVPs come when you're not obviously expecting them or you wouldn't be talking yourselves in the background, saying a word.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We over talk many of them because we don't realize that we're getting a voice at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must be very frustrating for you.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is definitely very frustrating for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, there must be an awful lot of, come on, let's keep quiet type signals between all of you.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You don't try to remind each other to talk one at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because if an entity is going to offer something up in the middle of the conversation, for example, unfortunately, they're liable to do it in response to something you have said.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's going to put it in the middle of some sort of dialogue.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And often it's interesting that they do it when we're not referring to ghosts at all.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		When we're just speaking amongst ourselves, they will drop in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this was also recorded in the prison.
		It was recorded by GIS member Roger in Cell Block A. Now, what's interesting about this is it was recorded in an area where a man named Frank Wigthal had been thrown off the third tier.
		He was lynched by the other prisoners.
		He was a prisoner himself.
		What had happened is he was paroled, and he walked across the street from the prison and raped an old lady and left her for dead.
		She didn't die, but it turned out this lady used to bring cookies and things to the prisoners at the prison.
		And she was very well loved by the prisoners.
		So when this happened, I mean, there was a lynch mob that was formed.
		They found him, they rearrested him, brought him back to Rowland's prison, and the prisoners got wind of what he had done to this lady that they loved.
		And one night they threw him over the third tier and hung him.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		They dragged him back up and threw him off again.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how do you connect that occurrence to what we're about to hear?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you're going to hear right here is just screaming, and it was recorded in the exact area where he was thrown over the third tier.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Alright, here it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		You know, that sounds like a very, very fast scream, like something very extremely current is happening to you, like you're falling off something, or it does sound like that, or you're being hung.
		Hung.
		Listen again.
		Wait a minute.
		That's not it.
		Get on the right one, Arthur.
unidentified		Here we go.
unidentified		Very fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that sounds like just what I said it was.
		It sounds like somebody took a very fast fall.
		Like somebody perhaps took a very fast fall and their neck was wrung.
		I don't know, but that's what it sounds like, doesn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it really does.
		You know, that's, I mean, I know when there's activity that takes place with people, it's very frightening to them.
		It's not something that they're looking for, but you really have to have, I mean, I do, I feel a lot of compassion for these spirits because it must really be a hell for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really must be a hell.
		And, you know, that would indicate that either it's an echo of time, it's an echo of what occurred, or it's that spirit living it again and again and again.
		That would be a hell, all right, wouldn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Number 11.
		I'm happy to proceed to number 11.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded in a private residence.
		The woman had called us there that had had a lot of activity, and you'll hear her say, this room is always cold.
		And she goes on and says, I mean, you just walk in here and it's cold.
		I don't like this room.
		Every time I've slept in here, I've had nightmares.
		And as soon as she gets done saying that, it sounds like a child that tells her to go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A child again.
		Sounds like a child tells her to go to bed.
		Okay, here we go.
unidentified		This room is always cold.
		And I mean, just walk in here and it is cold.
		I don't like this room.
		Every time I slept in here, I have nightmares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, my God.
		That's clear.
		That's so clear.
		That's clearly a child saying, go to bed.
unidentified		This room is always cold.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		I mean, just walk in here, it is cold.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't like this room.
unidentified		Every time I slept in here I've had nightmares.
unidentified		Go see things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
		I really hear something else with that in two different places.
		In the middle of what she was saying, I really thought I could hear the same child's voice start to say something.
		Thank you.
		You also heard that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, while the child was saying go to bed, and it was very clear, the go-to-bed part was very clear, in the middle of that, I heard something else.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		In the middle of the go-to-bed, there was a sound with it.
		Didn't you hear that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, the only thing I hear with that, aside from the child's voice, is the sound of a camera winding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it is?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The sound of a camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, I've got to listen again.
unidentified		This room is always cold.
unidentified		And just walk in here, it is cold.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I don't like this room.
unidentified		Every time I slept in here I had nightmares.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
		Go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh, that's what that was?
unidentified		Yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's that disposable camera.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's the camera.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The disposable camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		But it sounds like it laughs.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's like there's a giggle in there when she's talking.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Or something.
		Anyway, during the time she's talking, the child did utter something.
		But I don't know what.
unidentified		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		Obviously, again, no child present.
		Any indication of who the child might have been?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't.
		However, this lady, we recorded this child's voice a couple of times in this house on that night.
		And she had said that she was bothered by children that would wake her up in the middle of the night.
		And really what I find most interesting about that voice is simply the context of how it comes in.
		I mean, she's talking about how she doesn't like this room and she doesn't like to sleep there.
		And then this child says, go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How often do you take visitors with you?
		I've got people asking about that.
		When you go on these, do you ever take, other than the press, you know, like Fox or whatever, do you ever take observers, people who have contacted you along?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Every once in a while, we will do an open investigation.
		Obviously, it has to be a place that's quite large.
		And with any number of people being with us, it would be extremely hard to do a serious investigation.
		We would do it more for the fact of showing people what to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but when you're out really hunting for the voices, you wouldn't want an extra person there who's bound to be asking questions.
		Yeah, I've got it.
		Number 12.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And this voice, it's kind of funny in the way that it sounds like an old B horror movie.
		It's just simply a groaning.
		It's just a groaning sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you get it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was an abandoned movie theater that, well, by the time we got there, it had been abandoned for probably about a year, and it's since been torn down.
		And the atmosphere in this place was just almost disturbing.
		I mean, the smell of stale popcorn, and it was really kind of a disturbing place.
		But you hear this groaning, and GIS member Jenny recorded this.
		And if you listen extremely closely right after the groaning, you hear her say, did you hear that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hear who say?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Jenny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jenny, say, did you hear?
		Oh, really?
		Okay, y'all.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's horrible.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it really sounds like an old B horror movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds exactly like an old B horror movie, and it sounds like something almost like a reduced tape speed.
		It sounds If it's human, then it's a reduced tape speed, or it's some kind of creature, or God, I don't know what that would be, but it's awful, whatever it is.
		Absolutely awful.
		And you're certain that this was recorded at the proper speed.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there anything to provoke this?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, there was just four of us in that building the night that this was recorded.
		Everything was stripped out of this building.
		The seats were gone.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In fact, you had a A bolt?
unidentified		Yeah, that had been used to bolt the seats into the floor.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know what it was at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean thrown at you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it hit me on my side.
		It didn't hit hard.
		I felt it.
		At first, I thought it was my external mic that had dropped down.
		And it landed on my foot and then rolled onto the floor.
		It was dark in there, so I couldn't see what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that before or immediately after or during this thing, do you think?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, it was at a different time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We went back there many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		when you get something like this i can see why you would or That is so not good.
unidentified		Not good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sound is not right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sound is not right.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I had interviewed a woman that used to work there when it was a working theater.
		When she was in high school, she worked there.
		And that was one reason why we went there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		she talked about activity that took place in that building right when it was a theater I mean, I just, I don't know how you two keep as upbeat an attitude about what you do with what you based on what you get.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's wonderful.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Anytime we get anything, I think it's always a disappointment to come home and go over tapes and video and not have anything to spend hours looking for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but how many times is this sobering to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you bring back that groaning and you sit down around the table and you listen to that, it's got to be, how can it not be disconcerting for you is what I'm trying to ask, I guess.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if nothing else, it shows us that something survives after we die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, whether it's good or bad, I mean, it still answers that question in our minds.
		There's something survived.
		I mean, and definitely, I think it's our consciousness that it survives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, maybe these are people who only, you know, at worst stole candy in a store when they were a kid.
unidentified		Well, yeah, it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm being cute, I suppose.
		I mean, in other words, how do we know that these people who are in obvious agony, as in being hung or hanged, I guess, right?
		Or that horrible groan or whatever it is, all of these things are obviously not having a good time.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think how they, now like this one, it does sound like the speed is just like a 33, you know, when it should be on 78.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or it's something you absolutely don't want to meet in a dark alley somewhere at all.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that they have a very difficult time sometimes in trying to communicate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got the message on that one.
		Trust me, I got the message.
		We're going to break through at the bottom of the yard and we'll be right back.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		GIS is with us tonight, and we're listening to voices from the other side, or whatever you believe.
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh You don't have to go Oh, oh, oh, oh You don't have to go Oh, oh,
		oh, oh, oh You don't have to go I, I, I, I All of tears I cry I, I, I, I
		I, I, I, I Why did you say goodbye to me?
		I'm as lonely as could be.
		And as I feel a teardrop fall, I hear your footsteps down the hall, walking away from me.
		Why not you say goodbye?
		Why not you make me cry?
		My every day I'm over.
		Why, why, why, why?
		Footsteps.
		You're such a haunting memory.
		I pray that you'll come back to me.
		Reachart Bell in the Kingdom of Nye.
		From west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
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		or use the wildcard line at 17757271295 to recharge on the toll three international line for your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 8008930903 this is Coast to Coast AM with our bell on the Premier Radio Network funny and this talk kind of works in a funny strange sort of way this is coast to coast a.m we're interviewing the GIS about what they do and
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and that's recording voices from the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More in a moment.
unidentified		All right, you two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
		We're doing sort of a best-of show.
		This would be, I don't know, the best, the scariest, the clearest recordings of the GIS has done in the years that they've been doing this, which is how long now, by the way?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, it's probably about five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five years.
unidentified		Five years.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've been together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You stayed dedicated to this project for five long years, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were doing this before, but not together.
unidentified		When we hooked up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was about to ask, how?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how did you hook up?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It was just really all a common interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, you just bump into somebody every day.
		Say, I record the voices of the dead.
		Oh, well, me too.
		We should get together.
unidentified		That's not how it happened.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I talk about it a lot.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'll talk about this with anybody that will sit there and listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really did eventually bump into somebody else who did it or wanted to do it or what?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That was really how it happened, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here comes number 13.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one, I believe we played these on your last show.
		We were at the funeral director's home that had all of a sudden acquired some activity.
		He had lived in this house for about seven years, and we believe that something followed him home.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And he had visually seen a small child that was not his own in his house.
		And we had told him to, while we were there, to talk with it and see if we could get anything.
		And he had one of his own child's toys.
		And in this clip, you're going to hear him say, here, buddy.
		And he set the toy down.
		there's a little child's voice that says I see and then it says good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh God, I remember this one.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's really important to note here that his child was not home at the time this was recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was no child there, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, there wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this was his child's toy.
		Yes.
		And it was sort of an offering, I guess, like an offering to this spirit.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he had seen this little ghost child in his son's room on previous occasions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Listen, everybody, to this one.
		This is really trippy.
		This one really is trippy.
		When the child stops, considers, and says good.
		That's what I remember about it.
		Listen very carefully.
unidentified		okay buddy Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		The you know, the earlier caller said it.
		So emotive.
		Oh, my God.
		This child, obviously, in between the two goods.
		I didn't have the second one written here.
		In between the two goods, obviously, is kind of.
		Considering the way a child does, you know, in that moment of a child when the child thinks about something and then repeats it.
		Good.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's so clear.
unidentified		Okay, buddy.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that one's a grabber.
		And the reason that one's such a grabber is because it's so consciously produced.
		There's so much consciousness involved in what we just heard.
		You know, the child sees a toy and says, I see.
		Good.
		Good.
		I can't even properly myself.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You can't even imitate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
unidentified		I...
unidentified		I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know what to say to that one.
		I see why these shows cause people quite a bit of problem, frankly, listening to them.
		And I see why it's possibly a little worrisome to listen to this.
		But myself, I feel it too.
		All right.
		Number 14.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this one was recorded in the same house.
		And it's the same little boy, again.
		And I record this with the digital recorder, same as the previous voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And in this clip, I was walking into the kitchen area, which is actually the kitchen is adjacent to the living room area.
		And I kind of walked into the living room a little bit, and there's a big mirror on the wall.
		And I looked at it and kind of looked down.
		And then in this clip, you hear me say, is anybody here?
		Right.
		And I look up, there's quite a pause after that.
		I look up into the mirror, and directly behind me, I can see the kitchen, but I see a boy run behind me.
		And this boy, the thing that struck me about him is not so much just seeing a boy run behind me, but the way the boy looked.
		And really, the only way I can describe it is his neck was broke.
		It was turned literally all the way to one side.
		I mean, to the point that no normal person could do that.
		I mean, his chin was almost on the other side of his left shoulder.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The neck was also facing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And so as he was running straight forward, he was looking right at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aye, aye, aye.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And anyway, right when I see that, he actually comes in on the tape and says, either I'm a good boy, or what we now believe him to say is, I'm Gabe.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And then I say no way, responding to what I've just seen in the mirror, and then you hear him laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
unidentified		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		I'm a good enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
unidentified		I'm a good enough.
unidentified		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		There's no question about it.
		I'm a good boy.
		I hear you say no way.
		You're responding to what you just saw.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, because I was honestly...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is this child with a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you tell?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, really, I would have to guess maybe seven.
unidentified		Seven.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because I really only saw him from the shoulder up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this child had a broken neck.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's really the only way I can describe it is that he had a broken neck.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Because that's what struck me about it was his neck did not look right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think we all know, you know, we've seen it like NFL, you watch NFL, and occasionally they have these horrible scenes where somebody really is horrendously hurt.
		I mean, a leg is turned around the wrong way.
		Something is obviously bent and isn't going to be right, you know, for maybe forever.
		And you see these horrible injuries that occur on the field.
		And so that's what he's talking about.
		He said, this boy looked like that, apparently, the way he died.
		And again, there's a pretty long pause in the beginning.
		He says, is anyone there?
		Then you've got to remember when he says no way, when Brendan says no way, that's when he actually saw this boy with a broken neck.
		But before that, he actually says, the spirit says, I'm a good boy.
		You hear Brendan say no way.
		Then you hear the boy laugh.
		Ha ha ha.
		You hear the boy laugh at the end.
		Listen again carefully.
unidentified		Is anyone here?
		No way.
		I'm a giving up.
		No way.
		I'm a giving up.
		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That laugh, you know, that laugh, there's no way in five million years that laugh could be faked by an adult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely different.
		And this, I think out of all the things we've experienced, at least for me personally, this is one of the things that's bothered me the most.
		I have tried so hard to rationalize it at the time it happened and up until now.
		And there's just no way I can rationalize it.
		In fact, when it happened, I didn't even mention it to anybody in the group until after we left and came home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is like I See Dead People.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		In a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really like that movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, how did you react to that movie?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought it was a wonderful movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
unidentified		Yes, I thought it portrayed reality?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I thought it portrayed it very well.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And really, you know, another really good movie that kind of gives you an idea of the mentality of a ghost is The Others, especially The End.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it really kind of gives you an idea of what a ghost must go through, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 15.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This voice was recorded by a friend of the GIS.
		He had gone to a originally it was a veterans hospital for World War I and World War II vets.
		Right.
		And we were in a building that was the psychiatric ward at one time.
		The place is now abandoned.
		And I had stepped out of the building.
		No one heard me tell them that I was leaving to go get some more equipment.
		And everyone was worried that I was in this building somewhere.
		And when they finally realized that I was outside after they had been looking for me, you'll hear this voice that this friend of ours recorded and it says, you little murdering tramps.
		He almost sounds quite deranged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you little murder and tramps That's not good at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea what he was referring to?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I know that someone had, right before this was recorded, someone had realized I was outside and they said that, oh, Barbara's outside.
		And Zane, who recorded this, says, oh, thank goodness.
		And right after he said that was when he recorded this voice.
unidentified		I got a blemish.
unidentified		laughter
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a happy person.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And also we should mention that this building was also at one point used as a veteran's mental hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that may explain why the voice sounds so deranged.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And maybe it describes what it's saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, deranged in this life, deranged in the next.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, definitely.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I think you definitely carry your same personality from this life to the next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't sound right, though.
		It just doesn't sound right.
		You know, it shatters so many pet theories about what people think, in this case me, because I'm responding to it, about what the other side is.
		I mean, somehow you don't think that you carry infirmities from here to there, particularly physical or mental infirmities, but a broken neck, a madness, these are pretty serious loads to carry on to the other side where it's supposed to be better, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		State of mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you think maybe it's not really the other side?
		But it's still part of this side.
		It's some horrible little, you know, I think Catholics talk about purgatory, right?
		Some in-between place?
		Could it be that?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think, well, anything is possible, but the places that we go have reported haunting activity.
unidentified		and that may be what this is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think there are more hauntings going on now, more than ever?
		Fewer hauntings?
		In other words, you get requests from people, right?
		Help me out.
		Come check this out.
		Do this, do that.
		Do you think hauntings are increasing, that they've always been at an even pace or what?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		You know, actually, I think it's much more acceptable now to talk about it.
		Whereas before, you know, even 10 years ago, it wasn't.
		There was such a stigma about it.
		And especially in America, it's something that people don't want to talk about until just recently.
		And I think that's why it seems like there are more huntings taking place now.
		Not necessarily that there are more, but people want to talk about it more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that might be?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		You know, attitudes have changed so much.
		And I do think that they are closer to us than people realize.
		I think it happens more frequently than the majority of people know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's try and fit one in before the top.
		They are number 16.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one was recorded in a private residence in Laramie, Wyoming.
		And it just simply says, I'm on the south side.
		And it almost makes us wonder if there's somebody buried on the south side of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recall where you were when you got this?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We were actually in the kitchen area of the home.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I had just walked in from the outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any reason to believe there had been a murder there or a south?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, the house is quite old.
		And the people that are living there now know that the people that had built the home had been in a certain family for generations.
		And there had been many people that had died in the family there in the home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they might be buried there.
		Yeah, this baby on the south side, huh?
		All right.
unidentified		well here you go folks uh...
unidentified		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that might be a body or the spirit of a body directing those who might find that body to where that body is buried.
unidentified		I'm having a short fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did that lead you to into any sort of investigation of the south side, in quotes?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, we actually didn't discover this until we got back home to Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And we have yet to have a chance to go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you did?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would tell them to start digging up the south side and make a garden, see if they can discover anything.
unidentified		Make a garden?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Have a reason to dig.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Given them some reason to dig other than just, you know, the voice that said, hey, I'm here on the south side.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Dig up the garden over there on the south side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Give them a reason for caring out their lawn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously they already suspected something anyway, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Okay.
		Hold tight.
		We'll come back and we'll complete those that we have yet to go and we'll also take calls from all of you out there about what you've heard.
		Because if you don't have an opinion, based on what you've heard so far tonight and what we have yet to present, then you've just nervously been chuckling all of this away.
		And frankly, I understand that reaction.
		From the high desert, what else can it be?
unidentified		In the nighttime, in the dark, this is Coast to Coast A.M. You live your life and it's fun to hear on a rubber road, baby.
		And when a young girl doesn't have any friends, that's a really bad place to go.
		How can you turn up cool?
		But they have to take it out.
		You're a little touched enough, Angie, baby.
		Lovers appear in your room each night, and they whirl you across the floor.
		But they always seem to fade away when your daddy taps on your door.
		Angie, girl, are you all right?
		Tell the radio lights all alone once more.
		Angie, baby.
		Angie, baby, you're a special lady.
		Living in a world of making me.
		Where you may be.
		Call our bell in the Kingdom of Nye from West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		And the music's so loud it spins him around till his soul has lost its way.
		And as she turns the volume down, he's getting smaller with the sound.
		It seems to pull him off the ground.
		No more the radio he found, never to be found.
		The song, it seems to fit so well.
		That a boy disappeared and everyone thinks he died.
		Except a crazy girl with a secret lover who keeps her satisfied.
		It's so nice to be insane.
		No one asks you to explain.
		Radio by your side, Angie, baby.
		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Angie babies.
		We're talking about maybe a lot of Angie babies.
		The people on the other side.
		And it may be a very different world, a very unexpected world, and one you would enter in the blink of an eye.
		or maybe a heartbeat So maybe that girl was like Angie Baby, huh?
		Welcome back, you two.
		Thank you.
		We have a few more to get through here before we can take calls, and I do have a lot of people want to talk to you, so let's quickly proceed to number 17.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Jenny, and we were in a cemetery and had witnessed a, we'd visually seen a ghost light in this cemetery, which is very unusual for Utah.
		We don't have lit self-illuminating insects here.
		And this ghost light hung around us quite a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have self-illuminating insects either.
		I've never heard it put quite that way.
		Fireflies is what I always call them.
		Self-illuminating insects.
unidentified		I have to remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds really good.
		Yeah, they're not out here.
		Much as you might think you have them on the East Coast all over the place, and they're very normal.
		I've never seen one self-illuminating insect ever out here.
		Not once.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's not here.
		And it's just too dry.
		And this ghost light responded to us.
		It came to us.
		And we started calling it Parker because it went down into a headstone where the person's name was Parker.
		And in this one, you'll hear me say, Parker, don't leave, because it was going away from us.
		And this voice Ginny recorded says, I'm not far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
unidentified		Parker, don't leave.
		Montage Montage
		Almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost in some kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't quite discern the accent, but I'm not.
unidentified		Yeah, it has a kind of accent, right?
unidentified		It almost sounds like he has a cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
unidentified		I'm not far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
unidentified		I heard no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not far.
		Well, that's fascinating.
		And that was as a light descended into a headstone by the name of Parker, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You guys are nuts.
		You're all a bunch of Andy babies.
		I wouldn't go and do that.
		All right.
		All right, number 18.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one was recorded in a cemetery also.
		It was recorded by Barbara.
		And in this clip, you'll hear GIS member Roger say, sit and wait there.
		And right after he says that, a man says, sit and wait there.
		And this is the EVP.
		And then you hear a long exhalation that is also part of the EVP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A breathing out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		here we go.
unidentified		Oh, that is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that is so so sold terrible that that's kind of that Yeah.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And that's just me and Roger there at the time, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		one more time.
unidentified		It's a pointer.
		It's a pointer.
		It's a pointer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that has the sound of, you don't want to mess with me to it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We were sitting in our car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It still has that sound to it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		19.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one was recorded by Jenny in the same cemetery.
		And we had just purchased an infrared night scope, a Russian night scope, and Brendan was using it.
		And you'll hear me say, come and see Brendan if it makes a difference with the infrared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		And Jenny recorded this voice responding a perfect circle, which the infrared, when you're looking at it, is a perfect circle.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a perfect circle.
		Of course, the lens would be a perfect circle from the other side, right?
		Gotcha.
		Here it is.
unidentified		Come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference for the answer, Brendan.
		You can sit home.
		You can sit home.
		You can sit home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That voice says a perfect circle, and that's a child's voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what it sounded like to me, or a young girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it sounded, I think, to me more like a child's voice.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like a child to me, too, but I've had people say that it sounds like it could be a young girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can clearly hear your voice.
		Come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference with the infrared.
		I can clearly hear that, too, again.
unidentified		Come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference with the info, really.
		You can shoot mine.
		You can shoot mine.
		You can shoot mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perfect circle, indeed.
		So, you know, that's the kind of interactive communication that really does lead one completely away.
		I mean, if it was you or either one of you manifesting this, you would not manifest it from that point of view because you weren't looking obviously at the other side of the lens.
		You were looking into it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you wouldn't manifest something that would be seeing something that you're not.
		That's incredible.
		All right, number 20.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one was recorded by GIS member Jenny.
		It was inside of a mausoleum.
		And the voice, just simply, it's an old woman that says plastic eyes, or at least what sounds like an old woman.
		What's interesting is after this, Barbara had called the mortician at this mausoleum and asked them, you know, does plastic eyes have any meaning to you?
		And they had said that actually it did, that they used plastic eyes to prepare the bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a funny thing since we did the show where you first presented this.
		I can't remember.
		I saw Law and Order or some series like that where they did a story about morticians, and one of the things was plastic eyes.
		And, you know, when I saw that, a chill went down my spine because I remembered this particular EVP.
		And indeed, we didn't know about it.
		I had no idea that morticians use plastic eyes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, neither did we.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And that really is, you know, a form of contemporary information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe this is a complaint.
		listen closely folks but fifty Maybe that's a corpse complaining about the plastic God.
		That's terrible.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Trust me, yay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so when you learned from the mortician what plastic eyes meant, how did that hit you?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I kind of had a feeling that they did after we, you know, found out about this voice, that they must use them.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it just kind of confirmed why the voice said this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it was just a statement or a complaint?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think that she wasn't happy about it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I think it was a complaint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, that makes me ask, why would she care?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because all of the things, yes, but I know, but of all the things that you think you would care not about once you're dead and out of your body, and a spirit that can move about, or maybe even not move about, but at least a spirit devoid of a physical body, you would think the last thing you'd be complaining about would be the physical body, unless some way, in some horrible way, you were still attached to it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, and in a way, I mean, that's definitely a working theory with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Working theory.
		Yeah, all right.
		Fine.
		Number 21.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		This one, you will hear Jenny, she recorded this in a mausoleum, and you will hear her say, will you please show yourself to us?
		Will you make a noise?
		And this voice responds and asks her, will you stay here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will you stay here?
unidentified		all right here we go Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not only no, but hell no.
		Will you stay here?
		And you say that sounds like a mausoleum.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's very echoey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very large, and you could hear the very large echo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not an electronic effect, right?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No, any mausoleum that we've gone into has it's all marble, you know, and very high ceilings.
unidentified		that's just what it sounds like a high ceiling marble room painful no more and and Interesting as even the EVP echoes in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, will you stay here?
		Will you stay here?
		If you'd had a chance to answer that, what would you have said?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure you guys would have said yes.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We'll stay here as long as we can.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's what we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you do it?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, simply it's just fascinating.
		I mean, that's why we do this.
		I mean, obviously, we're not getting paid for this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, obviously.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's something that fascinates us, and we want to learn as much as possible about it, and, you know, and hopefully teach people about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as you learn more about the nature of death, don't you find it somewhat disconcerting, depressing, and otherwise not positive?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, ghosts are not happy people.
		They're not in a happy state of mind.
		I think if a ghost becomes happy, they don't stay around very long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have yet to hear one say, hand me another beer.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or whatever.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's why, you know, one of our things is educational.
		The purpose of our society is educational.
		And one thing I try to reinforce in people is whatever your garbage is in this life, try to get it cleaned up because you're sure going to carry it with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 22 and the last one for tonight.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This one was recorded by GIS member Jenny, and it was recorded in a cemetery.
		And it was actually recorded last winter.
		And Barbara and Jenny were sitting out in the cemetery in lawn chairs with a blanket over them because it was cold.
		And you hear Jenny ask, did you just pull down the blanket?
		And Barbara responds, no.
		And then you hear this child's voice say, I did.
		And then Jenny says, did you feel a tug?
		And Barbara says, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
unidentified		Did you just pull down the blanket?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Did you feel like a tug?
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		That's so clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you can hear a child's voice obviously again an unnervingly young child say This demonstrates the contemporary, timely nature of the responses which appear to be cognitive and aware and conscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen.
unidentified		Do you just pull down the blanket?
unidentified		No.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel like a tug?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the most important part, not to just repeat the idea, but to hear the flowing nature of the conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is so important, it seems to me, to what we're discussing.
unidentified		Do you just pull down the blanket?
unidentified		No.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel like a tug?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and maybe that's the best evidence I've heard yet, you two, of the sort of rolling contemporary nature of this.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's definitely interactive.
		I mean, for anybody to say, no, that's a cell phone transmission or a radio frequency being picked up.
		I mean, the odds of that happening in that context is just nothing.
		I mean, there's no way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you guys doing next?
		I mean, what's next for you?
		I know that you're very much into the digital world now, right?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		We are.
		We're still experimenting with that.
		As I said, we have three of those.
		We also have all our original micro-cassette recorders.
		We're working on a variety of different investigations, both here in Utah and out of the state.
		We are investigating the prison in Montana right now and scheduling to go back there very shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a very scary but lucrative hunting ground for ghosts, eh?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, really, prisons are.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And I think, like I said before, it's the mental capacity of the people that are there really, I think, helps them stay as ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than it's dark and it's cold in here and that kind of comment, even from children, have you received any EVPs over the years that indicate to you what it's like on the other side?
		Dark, cold, I've heard that.
		Anything else?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Snow.
		It was asked one time, what is it like where you are?
		And the response was, snow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Snow.
unidentified		So just like cold.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it could be that.
		And, you know, and that's a manifestation that they display a lot of times with ghost activity.
		People report the drop of temperature, and we've experienced that ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rapid drop to the point where, you know, in the movies, you can see your breath.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Not so much to where you can see your breath.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's not a breath, but it's a definite drop in temperature that you can't.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's no explanation of why it drops.
unidentified		We recorded a 30-degree drop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30-degree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've actually recorded 30-degree.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the error.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30 degrees.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
		look in your eyes, looking into mine, seeing what you wanted to see.
		Darling, don't say a word, cause I've already heard that your body came to mind.
		I'm tired of fast news I've got a slow groove On my mind I'm tired of fast news Ain't got no trouble in my life.
		No food is dream to make me cry.
		I'm never frightened or worried.
		I know I always get by.
		I get up.
		Don't forget to take my way around me.
		Don't let me get me down.
		Gonna take it the way that I found it I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me They say that life is a circle But
		that ain't the way that I found it Gonna move in a straight line Keeping my feet Love me on the ground Dark Bell in the Kingdom of My, from West of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-8255033.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Life may be a circle or maybe not.
		Sometimes it seems like a circle, doesn't it?
		I've got Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth from the GIS tonight, and you're up next with them on the telephones.
		Well, all right, you two.
		You're listening to the GIS, who are actually Barbara and Brendan.
		That's Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, and three others who usually don't appear on the radio.
		We'll have to get them on the air one of these days.
		Drag one of them in here.
		People are going to want to know how to get hold of you, and I don't want to complete any show with you without giving out an email address.
		And I would like to also ask you what you would like to hear from people.
		What would you like to hear from people?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, anything, really.
		Anything dealing with ghosts.
		Their stories, things that have happened to them.
		Obviously, if they've recorded EVP, we'd love to hear it.
		If they can send it in MP3 or WAV file format.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody is living with a haunting and they're not particularly inclined to do this for themselves and they want to pay you guys plane fare to come and investigate someplace far away, can you do that?
		Of course.
		Have you done that?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Not extremely far away.
		Definitely not overseas or anything.
		But we do go as far as we possibly can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Email address.
		How do they get a hold of you?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		They can get a hold of us at gis at ghostpicks.com or thegis at ghostpicks.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		GIS?
		Well, that's easier, shorter.
		GIS at ghost G-H-O-S-T PICS.
		P-I-X.
		That's correct.com.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		And they can also use regular postal mail at PO Box 2383 84041-9383 Layton, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where you are, Leighton, Utah, huh?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's where our P.O. box is.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly where we're at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you enjoy hearing from people.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		In fact, you know, we get an overwhelming amount of emails and it's just almost impossible to respond to everybody.
		If we could afford it, we'd have to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A secretary, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then everybody would get it.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's almost impossible to respond to everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd get rubber stamp replies if you did that.
		So it's just as well.
		This way, if you reply, at least it's from y'all.
		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with the GISI.
		Thank you, Art.
		You're very welcome.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am normally in Atlanta listening to you live streaming from your website.
		Okay.
		Tonight I'm just listening to you on my cell phone.
		Sorry about that.
		I know you hate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		Yours is your laugh, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to say that yours sounds better than the average.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And better than the average dead person, too.
unidentified		I'm glad.
unidentified		You often fascinate and worry me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I worry myself, sir.
unidentified		I would like to ask you about the worrisome part, just straight up.
		Are you taking this May 2003 issue seriously?
		No.
		I didn't know if you were hunkering down, if that had anything to do with it, or if you're taking seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not taking it seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just put it up there because it looked really, really, really intriguing.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		And I listened to your program with Nancy Leader.
		As for your guests, I've enjoyed your program tonight.
		And I'm originally from Louisiana.
		And whenever we would go out hunting ducks, we would always have decoys.
		And it sounds like sometimes you're able to interact.
		Have you ever tried anything as far as attracting the ghosts to you with you either with different spectrums of light?
		And one other question before I hang up.
		They do make recorders that have the tape playback head just behind the recording head.
		It sounds like they'll always go back and listen later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're ahead of you, sir.
		They've already had one of those made for them, and they've used it to some degree already.
		so let me ask them about the other question and instead the one that uh...
unidentified		uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		what what do you guys have to say we do you I mean, we call ducks, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you call a ghost?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We do use different things to try to bait a response.
		We'll use, if we're at a location that has certain things laying around, we'll use, you know, like props, you know.
		We have used different light spectrums to see if we get any kind of response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And has any of this, or even electromagnetic radiation, I mean, anything that you've done that you could definitively say has produced a reaction?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it has produced reactions.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you just look at the voice that we played earlier tonight at the mortician's house, where we told him to interact with the boy, and he put down his child's toy, and the child says, I see good, good.
unidentified		Hey, buddy.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is one that gets me.
unidentified		okay okay okay Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to know the truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one bothers me more than anyone you've got.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's because.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've seen child.
		You've heard children.
		I mean, I have.
		I've heard children that sound just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have too.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's why they're so bothersome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with the GIS.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I was growing up in Northeast Ohio.
		My principal's name was Art Bell.
		A few years ago, my buddy told me to listen to you, and I thought you were him for a while, but he didn't have any tea in phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go to my office now!
		Be in my office, young man.
		Be in my office.
unidentified		Were you him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I remember.
unidentified		I do too.
		You know how everybody says it's cool.
		I wanted to ask these guys a couple things.
		I was real curious about something.
		But you know how everybody says when they die, I'm getting so cold.
		Maybe it's because all the ghosts, the spirits from their relatives coming to greet them?
		You know how they say it's cold when a ghost comes.
		Yes.
		But you guys, Brennan and Barb, whenever we perceive something through our eyes, I hear that it hits the back of our eyes backwards and upside down.
		And maybe if we hear things, maybe that's the way we naturally perceive things here and backwards too.
		And we just interpret it with our minds to hear it frontwards, you know, and everything.
		And I was wondering, too, about the histories, like, if you've gone to any mounds where there might be cavemen ghosts, or maybe ask if there's any ghosts from the future there?
		No.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		No, we haven't done that regarding the cavemen.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we do, you know, very old places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty weird question.
		Yeah, that's pretty interesting in a lot of ways.
		If you were to record, say, a cave person, maybe all you'd get would be a groan, like that groan you got.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		In the theater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		I mean, that might be all that such a creature of that time would say or know or know to do.
		And maybe it's all on the other side.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, in fact, maybe we share space with cave people on the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a thought.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There's possibilities to everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with GIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Leigh Schenectady, New York.
		I'm listening to you on 810WGY.
		Yes, indeed.
		I had a question for, actually a two-part question for Brendan and Barbara.
		All right, far away.
		I'm curious that all I hear is like one sentence for answers.
		Have they ever recorded more than just one sentence?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Really, the longest phrase that we have recorded is a sentence long.
		And we think it's because it is so hard for them to talk and to actually manifest themselves on tape or a digital recorder.
		It takes a lot of energy for them to do that.
unidentified		Have you ever, instead of them interacting with you, have you ever caught them on tape interacting with each other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
unidentified		Can we hear some next show, next time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to hear that myself.
		Can you give us an example?
		Since we can't produce a recording right now, can you give an example?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's actually a recording on our website of Trinity.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There's a few of them.
unidentified		Yeah, we've recorded a few.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		There was one in a restaurant that says it's completely two different voices.
		It's two men's voices, and one says, come here, and the other voice says, what?
		And there was just me and the restaurant owner, which was a woman, there at that time.
		And these were two men's voices.
unidentified		Can you also give out the second part of your P.O. box?
unidentified		I didn't quite catch it.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready?
unidentified		Yep.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's 84041-9383.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		That's a zip code.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Layton, Utah.
unidentified		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They wanted the P.O. box.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		The P.O. box number.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		The P.O. box is 2383.
unidentified		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and take care.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with the GIS.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Eric.
		Hi.
		And hi, JS.
		Hi.
		I was wondering by now, I would have thought you would have gotten maybe like recordings of people using foul language, Either like that.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We have.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We just don't play them on the show.
unidentified		Is it really bad?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Some of them are pretty rough.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they haven't been swear words.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, they're people.
		I mean, you have to look at them as people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's obviously something we haven't aired for obvious reasons.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
unidentified		Also, have you recorded anything in a foreign language?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you move on, call her, how frequent is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How frequent is bad language?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It's occasional.
		I mean, it's not as often as what you would think, but I mean, we have recorded them.
		And we have recorded voices in foreign languages that we don't know what they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, Color, go ahead.
unidentified		I was going to say, I was curious to find out about animals, too.
unidentified		Like, have you heard dogs barking or cats snowling?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we have.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		We have recorded dogs barking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Dogs growling.
		It sounds like either a dog growling.
		There's one that we've got on our website.
		It almost sounds like a lion snarling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there was one occasion where we heard a dog growling and it never picked up on the recorder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Just great.
		All the way around.
		Couldn't there be happy pets over there?
		Go ahead, Color.
unidentified		I was going to say the scariest one that I've heard that you played was the one that says hollow eyes, your fake eyes.
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Plastic eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plastic eyes.
unidentified		Plastic eyes, because that's a sense that they know that their body had that put into them.
		Exactly.
		That, to me, was the creepiest one I've ever heard that you played.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was quite startling to us when we found out that that was really something that was used in that field, that they do that.
unidentified		Because that's like a sense of them knowing.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It shows consciousness, doesn't it?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and awareness.
unidentified		That was really, to me, that was real creepy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, staying alive sounds better, huh?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Pretty short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Take care.
		First time caller align.
		You're on the air with GIS.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Good.
		I'd just like to ask a question.
		Have you guys ever wondered why there has to be physical proximity to the cemetery?
		Or could you record these in any given area?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you could record these in any area.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Any area that would have ghost activity taking place.
unidentified		But do you think it's more likely in cemeteries and places where, you know, I guess, I don't know, dead people have been?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Or how do you work?
unidentified		I'm just trying to figure out why.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It seems like places that are associated with death often has ghost activity taking place.
		We have gone to cemeteries, certain cemeteries, where we have not recorded any EVP, but on another day, if we would go back to that location, we might.
		Because we have gone to locations that are very active.
		We get a lot of voices, but we can return the very next day and not get anything there.
unidentified		Right?
		You know, I've seen a lot of people pass on, and you can almost feel something, actually, when somebody passes on.
		I was wondering if you actually feel, well, I know you were touched, but do you actually feel like a presence near you ever when these voices are going on?
		And do you ever actually hear the voices?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		There are sometimes that we do hear the voices.
		Very rarely do we actually hear it.
		And there are sometimes we hear a voice and it doesn't record onto tape for some reason.
unidentified		Did you ever film any orbs or anything like that or anything?
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, on our website we have several videos that show we have two apparitions on the on the website that we've recorded.
unidentified		And do ghosts ever take any form other than like white orbs in your experience or is that basically what it is?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		It's basically it's just white, but that may be just how we're looking at it because when we see them it's through the infrared and it's obviously going to only appear in green, black, and white.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		We've taken photos though of orbs in different colors.
unidentified		That's interesting.
		And one last point.
		Have you ever considered that the lions and dogs you're hearing are demons and not actual animals?
		Because animals would be in an animal cemetery, I would think.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Just a thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and what about a pet cemetery?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have?
unidentified		You have?
brendan cook ▲ ● ▼		Maybe because it was adjacent to a regular cemetery.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		It happened to be there.
		And?
		We didn't record anything.
		We didn't get anything in that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Oh.
		That's too bad.
		Well, listen, I don't know how to thank you two for doing it again and doing it better than ever.
		This was really good.
		And I guess in the future, because you're doing it digitally, we have lots of good things to look forward to.
		And anybody wanting to get hold of these two, it's easy to do as close as your computer, G-I-S at ghostpics.
		That's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X.com.
		G-I-S at ghostpics.com.
		And you've got the snail mail address and so forth and so on.
		So as always, I want to thank you two for being here and providing a really freaky, totally freaky night of entertainment.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		So thank you for having us on, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to call that entertainment?
		I guess in a sense it is.
		Good night, you two.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
barbara mcbeath ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to take me out, here is Crystal Gale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night from the high desert.
unidentified		A night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take the sun around the horn, searching for the truth.
		We make it to tomorrow for the sun.
		Midnight in the desert, I'm a less than you Ooh, a less than you
		Ooh, a less than you
		Ooh, a less than you Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answers.
		All my life I found you there as the world we live in.
		Are we heating all the signs?
		Have we lost our intuition?
		Are we running out of time?
		Midnight in the desert.
		And we're listening.
		Ooh, we're listening to you.
		And we're listening.
		I love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thought you might like to hear the whole thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Crystal Gale, the beautiful Crystal Gale, from the high desert.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell.

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