Art Bell welcomes Barbara McBeath and Brendan Cook of the Ghost Investigators Society, who explore electronic voice phenomena (EVP) in locations like Guantanamo Bay, Alcatraz, and a Montana prison, citing unresolved trauma—such as a child’s plea to find her father or a deranged voice at an abandoned veterans hospital—as evidence of lingering consciousness. Their digital recordings reveal fragmented phrases like "our death gate" and "Dead Keeper," while experiments with light spectrums and electromagnetic fields allegedly provoke interactions, like a mortician’s toy triggering a child’s voice. McBeath notes spirits may describe conditions on the "other side," including sudden 30-degree temperature drops, suggesting a tangible afterlife beyond mere echoes. The episode blends chilling EVPs with skepticism about digital artifacts, leaving listeners to question whether these phenomena prove survival—or just the limits of human perception. [Automatically generated summary]
Hi Desert and the Great American Southwest, I bid you all a good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the known world, all in time zone.
I'm Mark Bell and this is a Friday night, Saturday morning of Ghost Ghost AM, which will be very interesting, and I guarantee the show I have said for you on the day before Halloween, which I missed with a friend of Barbara McDonald, who were ghost investigators is going to be tonight, in the next hour.
And what they've done, and they have done for Halloween, was to gather together what they considered to be the scariest of all the electronic voice phenomena they've recorded in the years they've been doing it.
And so it's going to be a pretty interesting show, I'll tell you that.
It's been a pretty interesting day, I can tell you that.
Going back to the program last night, just before airtime, as usual, I received some photographs which appeared to be of prisoners being transported by the U.S. military.
And without comment, I put the photographs up on the website, just like I do with every other photograph.
No comment up there.
Just here they are from an anonymous source.
Well, then Matt Drudge quickly linked to my page, and then CNN picked up the story, and then everybody in the world picked up the story, and it was on all the networks.
And here's the Associated Press version.
The Pentagon today was investigating to find out who took and released photographs of terror suspects as they were flown in heavy restraints to the high-security prison in Cuba.
Four photographs of prisoners, handcuffed heads covered with black hoods and bound on the floor of a cargo plane with nylon straps appeared overnight on the website of Radio Talk Show Foster Bell.
Quote, anonymous mailer sends us photos taken inside a military C-130 transporting POWs, the headline said.
In fact, that's all it said.
That's right.
The new photos are the first giving a glimpse into security measures aboard any of the airplanes used this year as prisoners were transferred from Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world to Guantanamo Bay Naval Facility.
It has long been known that prisoners were heavily restrained, and photos of prisoners bound and kneeling after arrival at the prison earlier this year created a stir among human and prison rights groups.
Officials said the photos on the plane were not authorized for release.
It wasn't clear whether they were official photos or were taken for personal use by an individual soldier.
It is at least the third time prisoner photos have troubled the Pentagon.
Defense Department has limited the news media in the kind of photos it can take of prisoners from the war in Afghanistan, arguing that photos subjecting the prisoners to humiliation violate the Geneva Convention.
Well, of course, not very likely in this case, since they all had black hoods over their heads, nobody was humiliated because nobody was identified.
But you know, number one, to be honest with you, their best move would have been just to say nothing.
Because all they did was verify the authenticity of photographs.
I had no idea whether they were authentic when I put them up.
And if I'd been in somebody at the Pentagon, I think I would have just said, ah, it's alright, Belle, you know, don't say anything.
Nobody will ever know if they're real or not.
They didn't do that instead.
Here you go, you know.
So away we went with all the press of the world earlier today.
Steve and Austin writes, along with the millions, so what's the big deal?
These are people who vowed to kill us and tried to succeed.
Shall we fly them first class with wine and cheese and three course meals?
Give me a break.
They're lucky we didn't strap them to the wings.
My own personal comment would be, you know, if you lose a few on the way, oops, there goes another one.
These are people who killed thousands of Americans.
These are people who, along with Iraq, we're probably going to go to continued war with or enhanced war with, I suppose, if we end up fighting a war with Iraq.
And the U.S. Security Council unanimously did approve a resolution on Friday giving weapons inspectors all the muscle they're going to need for illicit weapons in Iraq.
The vote was a major victory for us, the U.S., started to countdown toward disarmament or war.
Now, of course, Iraq is making lots of Iraq-like noises, you know, that we're bullies and we're not going to respond to the U.S. bullying, bloodshed, blah, blah, blah, typical stuff from Iraq.
But when the rubber hits the road, and now they know when the rubber is going to hit the road, Iraq will have to say, yes, we will comply, and then they will have to, each step along the way, comply or else.
So, no, I put those photos up there without comment.
I think if you actually look at them, and I recommend you do, they're on my website at rfl.com, you'll see that in many ways, I think it's pretty humane treatment.
I don't know what the Pentagon's embarrassed for, but it looks pretty humane to me.
If you look at the photographs, they've got blankets down there.
They've even got little ear protectors like you have to have on a C-130 so that you don't lose your hearing or have your hearing harmed in any way during the flight.
You've got to wear those in a C-130.
You know.
Yeah, no, there's no stewardess going down the aisle there serving them the beverage of their delight or whatever.
But personally, if the back door had opened and a big wind had come along in the first four or four or five rows, they'd go, it wouldn't have bothered me.
To me, it was just an interesting photograph of our military operating efficiently, that's all.
By the way, on the web page tonight, where those photographs are, you can also take a look at my webcam shot, which tonight is much better looking than me.
Much better to look at, I think, over the weekend.
I'll leave it up through the weekend than my ugly puss.
Now, remember that site, the March 8th site?
I don't know.
I'm sure a lot of you went up there to read about it.
It was a guy with a story of the camera that he found, and then, actually, first a little piece of glass, and then he found the camera, and then, oh my God, he found film, and he found film that's got stuff on it that's going to just change the entire universe, and there's going to be this big global announcement and all this stuff.
Well, the website is suddenly, history, disappeared, broken links.
So, what do we conclude from that?
Somebody got to it.
The guy got so many hits he couldn't pay for the bandwidth.
I don't know what we conclude from this, but we'll keep an eye on that website and see if it comes back up.
Headline, spacewalkers describe smoky, bitter smell of space.
This is so interesting.
While busy playing host to visiting cosmonauts, wrapping up experiments, and packing for home after nearly six months in orbit, the residents of the International Space Station took a breath to talk with CNN space correspondent Miles O'Brien.
And here are just a few highlights from his long-distance chat with Peggy Whitson, I believe it is, W-H-I-T-S-O-N, Valerie Corzin, and Sergei Trushidev.
O'Brien, one of the things I've never heard anyone describe was the smell of space.
And this is in reference to when you, Whitson, brought in your suit from a spacewalk and had a very distinct smell.
I mean, we're talking about the vacuum of space, and yet it has an odor.
Describe it for us.
Witson replies, some people call it kind of ozone-like.
I wasn't sure what ozone was supposed to smell like, but it's kind of smoky and a little harsh, bitter-smelling, and it lasts variable amounts of time.
I noticed that it didn't last as long in the docking compartment after we had done three spacewalks out of the airlock here.
But it's really interesting because it's very distinctive.
O'Brien, I don't think a lot of people know what ozone smells like.
Is there another way to describe it?
You described it in a letter on a NASA website as almost a burn smell.
It's just very interesting, I think, to those of us down here on Earth.
Whitson replies, Corzin said, it's kind of like a smell from a gun right after you fire the shot.
I think it kind of almost has a bitter sort of smell in addition to being smoky and burned.
Now, I thought those were extremely, extremely interesting responses.
Now, why would space have a smell to it?
There's no air.
A smell can only be conducted by air.
Well, now, wait a minute.
She said she smelled this when she came inside the airlock.
So that means that some substance or something in space has a smell.
And when it's transported into an airlock where there is air, where it can be detected by the old human sniffer, we notice what it is, which means space does have a smell.
Now, you wouldn't want to take off the old helmet and go, you know, because, well, you'd die, probably.
There would be no air there.
But once you brought it in to the air, space apparently attaches some kind of smell.
And I thought that was extremely interesting.
Well, what do you say?
You want to do a few open lines?
I'm open for, oh, there is one more item.
And then we're going to go and do open lines.
So if you have anything you want to say on the radio before we begin the Odyssey, which will occur at the top of the hour, and it's going to be extremely interesting, then you're going to want to get on the phones about now.
Moonrocks weren't enough.
This, again, is from CNN.
Bless their hearts.
Moonrocks weren't enough.
Neither was testimony from astronauts or even photographic evidence.
So NASA has commissioned a mini-book to show that, yes, indeed, Americans did land on the moon.
Most Americans, most humans on Earth, accept that U.S. astronauts first got to the moon aboard Apollo 11 mission on July 20th, 1969.
But there are those who do not believe.
And they've created a sort of cottage industry of doubts.
And that's what NASA wants to combat.
Said Roger Lanius, NASA's former chief historian, I've been concerned for some time that there was a story that's circulating about how we never landed on the moon, and we would get periodically calls from people about how to respond to it, from teachers and others.
You wanted to put together something educational, but instead we're going to get an entire book convincing us that we did indeed go to the moon.
And I wonder, really, you know, I've had people on the air too, and Wayne Green doesn't think we went to the moon.
A lot of people feel that way, but do you really think that we need NASA to essentially write a book?
Do we?
You know, trying to convince us that we really did go to the moon?
You know what I say?
Let's go back.
That's what I say.
Let's go back.
How come once we did go to the moon, we came home and gave it all up?
And we haven't gone anywhere since?
President's always looking for some kind of good rallying point, going back to the moon, then on to Mars.
That's the way to do it.
The reason people are curious and beginning to be in doubt about it so much time has passed.
It's natural.
It seems incredible.
Even then, I watched it on TV like everybody else at home, watched the first step on the moon.
It's incredible.
When you think about it, right?
And maybe now so much time has gone by that it's becoming truly incredible.
I'm calling with a comment and a question for your Ghost Society people.
Oh, yes.
I had the pleasure, actually, of doing a feature film on Alcatraz many years ago.
And while there, I inadvertently went into the old section of the prison, and I heard wails and noises, and I got really nauseous, and I didn't know it was the old section of the prison.
And I wondered if your people, these people, had been to that prison.
I got on last time, but we got cut off in the middle of a...
No, I actually meant any doubt about the fact that you're really hearing ghosts, but I don't think there was in his mind any doubt at all.
I'll tell you kind of an interesting story.
When Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, and maybe you want to make note of this, let's kill my own show here.
My wife won't listen to it.
She'll listen to a few of them.
And then I'll tell you what her comments were.
She said that she thinks listening to voices like this from the dead is going to psychologically set a person up to perhaps have a contact themselves along these lines.
In other words, just the mere act of listening to it, she thinks, sets you up in a sort of a psychological mode would be the word, to be in receipt of or to have a door open to you and to have some kind of experience.
And I'm not sure that's incorrect, and so you might bear that one in mind.
I've got a break here at the bottom of the hour, but I hope you are correct because the alternative means that as our very esteemed scientist said the other night, we just return to nothing when we die.
I'm Arbell.
This is Coast to Coast AM, rocking on through the nighttime.
unidentified
Feeling all right.
A little driving on a Saturday night.
Come walk me.
Gonna die a day away.
Can I see?
Show a smile for people as you need.
Until it's dry.
Let's go.
Don't you love her, badly?
Don't you need her, baby?
Don't you love her, wait, tell me what you say.
Don't you love her, baby?
Wanna be her faith, don't you love her, faith?
Don't you love her everyone?
Don't you love her faith?
Don't you love her as she's walking out the door?
All your love, all your love, all your love, all your love.
All your love is wrong to sing along with song of a deep-loved dream.
Seven horses seem to be on the mark.
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Now I hear that the 8 March site 2003 is back up again, and there's some kind of disclaimer on that.
That's very interesting.
I wonder what's going on.
Maybe he got so many hits.
He got so much pressure.
Well, whoever put that up, I told you, if you want to come on and tell at least this much of your story on the air, then contact me, and I will arrange it if your story justifies it.
I have a story that I've actually, as I've heard you and others talking over the years, I've always kind of wondered about it.
And this happened to me when I was about 19 years old and my grandmother had just passed away.
And I was sitting out in the backyard.
Actually, she lived with us, so I had a very, very close relationship with her.
And I was sitting out in the backyard contemplating all of this with my boyfriend at the time.
And all of a sudden, out of the corner of the garden, this huge ball of light, something like 5,000 times the size of a firefly, zoomed into the yard, spun around, and then went straight up.
did you say we're sitting in the yard contemplating your grandmother's passing well i would Yeah, I was thinking about, you know, the fact that we had just gone to the funeral and how important she was in my life.
And, you know, there have been times when I thought that perhaps it was my grandmother herself.
And there were other times when I thought, well, maybe this is someone coming to take her where she needs to go.
And I never quite could figure that out.
But it was a really profound experience in my life and made me really question my very medical kind of family who believed only the things that they could touch and analyze and measure.
Well, all right, in terms of what happened to you, I'm going to take a shot at it here loosely.
Here it is.
I think maybe that could have been any of, maybe this won't help you, but it could likely be one of the things that you described.
Either it was grandmother herself making her presence known to you.
Or I suppose it could have been somebody who or something that came to get her.
I'd probably go for the first one.
And, you know, a slight caveat here.
Imagine the possibility that it could have been manifested from your own id.
We all have to consider those possibilities.
Even my guests coming up tonight have to consider the possibility because, you see, I believe that what they're actually recording on tape is it's real.
There's no hokey-pokey here.
There's no baloney.
What's being recorded on tape is real.
However, you have to imagine that they're going out with what in their heads?
With the intent of recording the voices of the dead, right?
So who is to say that their own active, alive, thinking brains do not manifest this on the tape?
That has to be considered as one of the possibilities, as you may have manifested the event that you connect with your grandmother.
Now, on the day that my dad died, you may recall he had cancer for some time, and on the day that he died, I got the news, you know, very in the middle of the night-ish kind of news.
And early the next morning, a very unusual thing happened that's never happened before nor since, and that is a small Bat landed on my front porch.
And this bat was a baby bat.
And it just stayed there.
It wasn't hurt.
It didn't hit anything.
It just, for whatever reason, in its little bat head, decided to land on my front porch, right?
Not up, not hanging as it could have, but down right in front of our door.
This little tiny baby bat.
And my wife scooped him up and took him into the shade.
You know, this was in the desert when it was hot and we didn't want him hot.
So we took him around to our breezeway and we put him in the shade.
And the little bat stayed there all day long.
And when nightfall came, the little bat went away.
I know, but I think the captain and all that has to have experience or something.
What do I know?
unidentified
Okay, well, regarding EVP, I'd like to...
EVP, I appreciate your correcting me on that.
Would it make sense to one who's astute in audio like you are to take the actual audio that is recognizable as ghosts trying to speak to us on the other side and to try to analyze that audio and to try to fine-tune a recording system,
a microphone and backup electronics for recording to that particular frequencies.
You seem to have all ages represented from the other side, for whatever that's worth.
unidentified
This is true, but maybe if they actually took the audio and put it through a, you know, get waveform analysis out of it, understand maybe there's a characteristic to it.
Well, here's a thought toward what you've just said.
Suppose you were to take, that's a pretty good idea, actually, take a waveform analysis, he was correct certainly about that, of, say, a ghost.
And then do a little bit of research until you find a recording of the person's voice that matches that waveform and connect it to, oh, I don't know, the cemetery where you've done the recording, the opera house where the singer was murdered, to get a little more dramatic, or whatever other piece of drama happened at the moment that whatever it is became a ghost.
And match those waveforms.
Then you'd really have something, wouldn't you?
Because you would have just matched the waveform of a dead person.
However, these are astronauts and cosmonauts who are saying this.
And they're saying it's the smell of space.
And you would think the first thing they would think of is what we just talked about, I would imagine.
And so instead, they are describing it as the smell of space.
That's what intrigued me about it.
unidentified
Me too.
I have another thing to mention about deja vu.
If I could mention that to you.
I tell you what, George talks about it a lot, of course.
And it's been discussed whether deja vu, when we get that feeling that maybe we're remembering something we dreamed.
And that idea has kind of been poo-pooed.
But I have had experiences that lead me to think that it really is something from dreams.
And if I can tell you a short story, I'd love to tell you.
Okay.
I've always had little deja vu feelings since I was a little kid.
And I can remember, you know, when I first started learning subtraction, I can remember having that feeling one day, oh boy, I think I've been here before.
And then remembering, oh, I dreamed this.
And I had it happen as a teenager, and it became more clear, oh, this is what they mean by deja vu.
And when I had my first job in a military subcontractor making wire harnesses, I was sitting with one of the inspectors one day.
We were looking at a little harness that I made.
I wasn't very good at it.
But the young woman and I were talking about a guy we knew there.
And I'm sitting and we're looking at the harness and talking, talking, talking.
And I start to think, oh, I've got that feeling.
Oh, I dreamed this.
And just when I started thinking that, Sheila, the inspector, said, she dropped the harness.
She said, I've been here before.
And I knew I had dreamed it, but she just had deja vu.
And with regard to how to subtract, you mean you started, you had that before you ever began to be instructed in how to subtract?
unidentified
No, well, I dreamed about this.
We had been in school.
I was in the first grade, and we had been in school, and we had been doing math and stuff, but we hadn't done the subtracting yet, and it was difficult for me.
And when we started doing that, I tell you what, it just occurred to me, oh, I dreamed about this difficult thing.
There's a lot of things about school that seem like deja vu.
School was very interesting from that point of view, wasn't it?
Remember that?
Remember school?
A lot of moments, particularly when you're young, if there is anything to the concept that we have been here before and we reincarnate, our souls come back, and we reincarnate into a body and don't have conscious memories of what we have done before, then it could either be that or perhaps, as she has suggested, intriguingly, a dream.
The dej vu simply produced not by another life, but by a dream, which would register Ching Jing in the subconscious.
i thought it was sort of an advertisement for humane treatment myself but when they consider but To me, it was like, you know, here's people that, you know, were part of a group that just killed thousands of Americans and were at war with them and yet were bringing them back to me, if not in relative comfort.
You know, like you point out, they weren't being tortured or tossed out.
That's what went through my mind, you know, out the door.
unidentified
Yeah, Americans are so pampered.
They have this expectation, but they have no concept of what goes on around the world.
Now, here in California, you're probably aware that some judges are beginning to reconsider the three strikes law because they say, well, prisoners, they're going to jail because they stole golf clubs for long terms.
Well, look, why don't you consider the rap sheet that got them there?
The rap sheet is 10 pages long, and there's 1,000 victims behind all these crimes that they did.
But they don't ever mention that in the news reports.
They just say, oh, this poor individual is going to jail because he stole some golf clubs.
You've got to think about the big picture, don't you?
So let's say you get somebody who gets busted for, I don't know, one big thing, and then one little thing, and then one more little thing, relatively, I don't know, shoplifting or something, right?
And then they're going to prison for life.
Well, they're taking up that prison cell that could be used for murder.
And do you know that murderers, I believe, get out of jail on average.
These people convicted of murder, sir, on average they're out of jail in seven and a half years.
That's true.
So it's like everything else.
You've got to kind of weigh it a little bit.
I mean, yeah, we've got somebody who screwed up three times, including two rather minor things, in jail for life, and we don't have room to put this murderer in, keep them there for more than seven and a half years.
That kind of sucks.
unidentified
Yeah, but we could do what they do in Arizona, where they bivouack them in these army camps.
Well, sure, I did, but that's not for hardcore people.
You know, that bivouac thing, that's for short-time county or state kind of offenders-level people who didn't do murders and rapes and all that sort of thing.
If you're running out of room, it's a good way to start.
I mean, because you have to protect society if you're going to let people off, even though they're habitual criminals because they did something minor.
They're just going to victimize another person.
How many stories do we have to hear that somebody got out of jail and killed somebody else when they should have been in there?
You might want to be warned, what you're about to hear is indeed frightening.
It really is frightening.
I mean, if you're cruising along at 60 or 70 miles an hour on a highway in a big 18-wheeler, this is where you might want to think about turning on the CV.
Trust me.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, GIS.
The GIS is a non-profit organization.
They don't take money dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anybody who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomenon or those who are just simply curious.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena that you're going to hear tonight presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, Death and Ghosts.
Coming up next.
Well, for Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, welcome back to the program, you two.
I'm going to tell you a little bit of what was said, and before we get into these, and I know we've got quite a scary lineup tonight, but my wife, Ramona, doesn't listen to this show when you all are on.
She'll listen to a little bit of it, but it creeps her out, and not much creeps her out, believe me, but it creeps her out so badly, she is of the view that listening to this and listening to these voices,
ostensibly probably the voices of the dead, opens doors for you as you listen, that you might not be able to close, opens doors that might create an experience, that might create an atmosphere that will cause an experience to occur to you.
That when you consider the fact that you all are going to graveyards and prisons and oh, I've still got that cool story here about the Wyoming spirited prisons documenting the fact that you went up to the Rawlings, Wyoming prison.
Here you are Packing up your tape recorders, getting your microphones ready, getting these blank tapes that are brand new, and unwrapping the plastic and putting them in so that you're sure you're not getting anything from anywhere else.
I mean, it's all quite reasonable to me and to the audience.
But how do we know these voices are not coming from the id?
How do we know these voices are not coming from people who want to hear them so badly that with their conscious living brains, they're not projecting these voices?
Somebody else called in the first hour with a pretty interesting idea.
A lot of times, most times, you're going to specific locations, right?
You're going to prisons, you're going to graveyards where there's some chance that the ghost or the entity that we're hearing on tape could be identified, right?
And then if you really wanted to go into the investigation mode, you'd go back and find a recording of that person when they were alive and compare waveforms.
And if you got a match, you'd have a pretty strong argument.
I think that it's a very difficult process, whatever the process is, to be able to imprint that voice on to a tape or digital recorder, any other recording device.
This one, it was recorded in a train station, a very old Union Pacific train station.
And it's now a train museum.
And on this clip, Barbara recorded this, and you're going to hear the night security guard or maintenance worker say, I know it was a kid because I hear the kid.
And he's speaking in a very strong Spanish accent.
And right after that, you hear a child say, come to Papa.
Another concerning thing is if you're getting mainly voices that have been dead for a very long time, that means that one's period of time in the ghost world is not short by our measured standards anyway at all, but very, very long by our measured standards.
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You're driving with your hands.
I was dancing with baby on a shoulder, just trying to set my light, my license in the sky, the lights and the new, everything's fine.
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Ah, so not only that, but then that means you had additional guardians who were probably looking real hard at you guys since they're TV people with cameras and stuff.
And they're probably looking real hard at you guys trying to figure out if there's some ruse going on or something.
And the interesting thing is I had picked up a woman's voice in that building at the same time, and Barry recorded this child's voice.
And I had called the curator of this museum and told him that we had recorded a woman's voice and the child's voice there.
And he says, well, that's really interesting because he says, I just barely found out that there were women and children on the base, on the fort, when it was first built back in the 1800s.
They were kept down in the basement for their protection.
The women were referred to as laundresses.
Some of them were wives of the soldiers that were stationed there.
That's what the Egyptians thought, that the pyramid was a virtual machine that, in effect, would launch the king's spirit or soul on its journey to the stars.
Very specific stars, by the way.
But that's what the Egyptians thought, that in essence, it was a death gate.
I mean, after all, most people think the majority of people, I would think, think they're going to heaven or a place called heaven or, you know, a nicer-to-be place.
Well, it's definitely our perception that when we die, we will go to a nicer place.
We'll go to heaven.
Like Barbara's always said, I think if you have a lot of unresolved issues when you're alive, if you have a lot of mental issues when you're alive, you just, you can't let go of that.
I'm just saying, good God, some of these are, you know, I mean, you begin to consider the nature of what's on the other side and you hear a little girl's voice pleading to find her dad.
Well, and the thing is, I mean, she may have died very suddenly and realized that her dad had passed on and thinking she was going to see her dad on the other side.
or immediately adjacent to a death chamber an execution change here That would be a pretty wild place, it seems to me, to think about going to record anything.
It would be a prison, and then, of course, if that prison was one that did executions, I mean, that's really going the extra mile, the extra green mile.
The thing is, I mean, if mental anguish and mental suffering and unresolved issues is what causes someone to stay behind.
What better place than a prison?
I mean, to go to, especially a prison that was in operation for a long time, where people have had a chance to be institutionalized and have been incarcerated for 40 years and have literally somewhat gone insane.
One, I have heard that long-term prisoners, prisoners who have been in prison for life, who are suddenly or unexpectedly given an opportunity to get out, cannot handle the freedom and do not want to be out and, if necessary, will commit another crime to get back in again.
Yes, and we would like to do Alcatraz if we ever have the opportunity to get there, and it's feasible for us to do it, and we can get permission to do it.
And the majority of the time it was just the five of us and the director of the prison itself.
The very last time that we went, which was September 21st of 2001, it was the five of us, the director of the prison, Another female that worked at the prison and the two Fox, the people that worked for Fox.
Because if an entity is going to offer something up in the middle of the conversation, for example, unfortunately, they're liable to do it in response to something you have said.
It was recorded by GIS member Roger in Cell Block A. Now, what's interesting about this is it was recorded in an area where a man named Frank Wigthal had been thrown off the third tier.
He was lynched by the other prisoners.
He was a prisoner himself.
What had happened is he was paroled, and he walked across the street from the prison and raped an old lady and left her for dead.
She didn't die, but it turned out this lady used to bring cookies and things to the prisoners at the prison.
And she was very well loved by the prisoners.
So when this happened, I mean, there was a lynch mob that was formed.
They found him, they rearrested him, brought him back to Rowland's prison, and the prisoners got wind of what he had done to this lady that they loved.
And one night they threw him over the third tier and hung him.
You know, that sounds like a very, very fast scream, like something very extremely current is happening to you, like you're falling off something, or it does sound like that, or you're being hung.
You know, that's, I mean, I know when there's activity that takes place with people, it's very frightening to them.
It's not something that they're looking for, but you really have to have, I mean, I do, I feel a lot of compassion for these spirits because it must really be a hell for them.
And, you know, that would indicate that either it's an echo of time, it's an echo of what occurred, or it's that spirit living it again and again and again.
And then, while the child was saying go to bed, and it was very clear, the go-to-bed part was very clear, in the middle of that, I heard something else.
When you go on these, do you ever take, other than the press, you know, like Fox or whatever, do you ever take observers, people who have contacted you along?
It was an abandoned movie theater that, well, by the time we got there, it had been abandoned for probably about a year, and it's since been torn down.
And the atmosphere in this place was just almost disturbing.
I mean, the smell of stale popcorn, and it was really kind of a disturbing place.
But you hear this groaning, and GIS member Jenny recorded this.
And if you listen extremely closely right after the groaning, you hear her say, did you hear that?
It sounds exactly like an old B horror movie, and it sounds like something almost like a reduced tape speed.
It sounds If it's human, then it's a reduced tape speed, or it's some kind of creature, or God, I don't know what that would be, but it's awful, whatever it is.
Absolutely awful.
And you're certain that this was recorded at the proper speed.
she talked about activity that took place in that building right when it was a theater I mean, I just, I don't know how you two keep as upbeat an attitude about what you do with what you based on what you get.
Anytime we get anything, I think it's always a disappointment to come home and go over tapes and video and not have anything to spend hours looking for it.
I mean, but how many times is this sobering to you?
I mean, when you bring back that groaning and you sit down around the table and you listen to that, it's got to be, how can it not be disconcerting for you is what I'm trying to ask, I guess.
We're going to break through at the bottom of the yard and we'll be right back.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
GIS is with us tonight, and we're listening to voices from the other side, or whatever you believe.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh You don't have to go Oh, oh, oh, oh You don't have to go Oh, oh,
oh, oh, oh You don't have to go I, I, I, I All of tears I cry I, I, I, I
I, I, I, I Why did you say goodbye to me?
I'm as lonely as could be.
And as I feel a teardrop fall, I hear your footsteps down the hall, walking away from me.
Why not you say goodbye?
Why not you make me cry?
My every day I'm over.
Why, why, why, why?
Footsteps.
You're such a haunting memory.
I pray that you'll come back to me.
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or use the wildcard line at 17757271295 to recharge on the toll three international line for your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 8008930903 this is Coast to Coast AM with our bell on the Premier Radio Network funny and this talk kind of works in a funny strange sort of way this is coast to coast a.m we're interviewing the GIS about what they do and
This would be, I don't know, the best, the scariest, the clearest recordings of the GIS has done in the years that they've been doing this, which is how long now, by the way?
Yeah, I think we all know, you know, we've seen it like NFL, you watch NFL, and occasionally they have these horrible scenes where somebody really is horrendously hurt.
I mean, a leg is turned around the wrong way.
Something is obviously bent and isn't going to be right, you know, for maybe forever.
And you see these horrible injuries that occur on the field.
And so that's what he's talking about.
He said, this boy looked like that, apparently, the way he died.
And again, there's a pretty long pause in the beginning.
He says, is anyone there?
Then you've got to remember when he says no way, when Brendan says no way, that's when he actually saw this boy with a broken neck.
But before that, he actually says, the spirit says, I'm a good boy.
He had gone to a originally it was a veterans hospital for World War I and World War II vets.
Right.
And we were in a building that was the psychiatric ward at one time.
The place is now abandoned.
And I had stepped out of the building.
No one heard me tell them that I was leaving to go get some more equipment.
And everyone was worried that I was in this building somewhere.
And when they finally realized that I was outside after they had been looking for me, you'll hear this voice that this friend of ours recorded and it says, you little murdering tramps.
You know, it shatters so many pet theories about what people think, in this case me, because I'm responding to it, about what the other side is.
I mean, somehow you don't think that you carry infirmities from here to there, particularly physical or mental infirmities, but a broken neck, a madness, these are pretty serious loads to carry on to the other side where it's supposed to be better, huh?
We'll come back and we'll complete those that we have yet to go and we'll also take calls from all of you out there about what you've heard.
Because if you don't have an opinion, based on what you've heard so far tonight and what we have yet to present, then you've just nervously been chuckling all of this away.
And frankly, I understand that reaction.
From the high desert, what else can it be?
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In the nighttime, in the dark, this is Coast to Coast A.M. You live your life and it's fun to hear on a rubber road, baby.
And when a young girl doesn't have any friends, that's a really bad place to go.
How can you turn up cool?
But they have to take it out.
You're a little touched enough, Angie, baby.
Lovers appear in your room each night, and they whirl you across the floor.
But they always seem to fade away when your daddy taps on your door.
Angie, girl, are you all right?
Tell the radio lights all alone once more.
Angie, baby.
Angie, baby, you're a special lady.
Living in a world of making me.
Where you may be.
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And the music's so loud it spins him around till his soul has lost its way.
And as she turns the volume down, he's getting smaller with the sound.
It seems to pull him off the ground.
No more the radio he found, never to be found.
The song, it seems to fit so well.
That a boy disappeared and everyone thinks he died.
Except a crazy girl with a secret lover who keeps her satisfied.
And it may be a very different world, a very unexpected world, and one you would enter in the blink of an eye.
or maybe a heartbeat So maybe that girl was like Angie Baby, huh?
Welcome back, you two.
Thank you.
We have a few more to get through here before we can take calls, and I do have a lot of people want to talk to you, so let's quickly proceed to number 17.
This one was recorded by Jenny, and we were in a cemetery and had witnessed a, we'd visually seen a ghost light in this cemetery, which is very unusual for Utah.
We don't have lit self-illuminating insects here.
And this ghost light hung around us quite a long time.
So, you know, that's the kind of interactive communication that really does lead one completely away.
I mean, if it was you or either one of you manifesting this, you would not manifest it from that point of view because you weren't looking obviously at the other side of the lens.
And the voice, just simply, it's an old woman that says plastic eyes, or at least what sounds like an old woman.
What's interesting is after this, Barbara had called the mortician at this mausoleum and asked them, you know, does plastic eyes have any meaning to you?
And they had said that actually it did, that they used plastic eyes to prepare the bodies.
Because all of the things, yes, but I know, but of all the things that you think you would care not about once you're dead and out of your body, and a spirit that can move about, or maybe even not move about, but at least a spirit devoid of a physical body, you would think the last thing you'd be complaining about would be the physical body, unless some way, in some horrible way, you were still attached to it.
That's why, you know, one of our things is educational.
The purpose of our society is educational.
And one thing I try to reinforce in people is whatever your garbage is in this life, try to get it cleaned up because you're sure going to carry it with you.
you can hear a child's voice obviously again an unnervingly young child say This demonstrates the contemporary, timely nature of the responses which appear to be cognitive and aware and conscious.
Other than it's dark and it's cold in here and that kind of comment, even from children, have you received any EVPs over the years that indicate to you what it's like on the other side?
look in your eyes, looking into mine, seeing what you wanted to see.
Darling, don't say a word, cause I've already heard that your body came to mind.
I'm tired of fast news I've got a slow groove On my mind I'm tired of fast news Ain't got no trouble in my life.
No food is dream to make me cry.
I'm never frightened or worried.
I know I always get by.
I get up.
Don't forget to take my way around me.
Don't let me get me down.
Gonna take it the way that I found it I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me I got music in me They say that life is a circle But
that ain't the way that I found it Gonna move in a straight line Keeping my feet Love me on the ground Dark Bell in the Kingdom of My, from West of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
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If somebody is living with a haunting and they're not particularly inclined to do this for themselves and they want to pay you guys plane fare to come and investigate someplace far away, can you do that?
Well, I mean, if you just look at the voice that we played earlier tonight at the mortician's house, where we told him to interact with the boy, and he put down his child's toy, and the child says, I see good, good.
But you know how everybody says when they die, I'm getting so cold.
Maybe it's because all the ghosts, the spirits from their relatives coming to greet them?
You know how they say it's cold when a ghost comes.
Yes.
But you guys, Brennan and Barb, whenever we perceive something through our eyes, I hear that it hits the back of our eyes backwards and upside down.
And maybe if we hear things, maybe that's the way we naturally perceive things here and backwards too.
And we just interpret it with our minds to hear it frontwards, you know, and everything.
And I was wondering, too, about the histories, like, if you've gone to any mounds where there might be cavemen ghosts, or maybe ask if there's any ghosts from the future there?
It seems like places that are associated with death often has ghost activity taking place.
We have gone to cemeteries, certain cemeteries, where we have not recorded any EVP, but on another day, if we would go back to that location, we might.
Because we have gone to locations that are very active.
We get a lot of voices, but we can return the very next day and not get anything there.
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Right?
You know, I've seen a lot of people pass on, and you can almost feel something, actually, when somebody passes on.
I was wondering if you actually feel, well, I know you were touched, but do you actually feel like a presence near you ever when these voices are going on?
It's basically it's just white, but that may be just how we're looking at it because when we see them it's through the infrared and it's obviously going to only appear in green, black, and white.