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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gerald Celente - Economic Forecasting

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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 9, 2002.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest.
	I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in all the world's time zones, wherever that is.
	It's great to be with you, and we are all around the world, one way or the other.
	This, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
	And I think this could be a very interesting night.
	In both the first hour and the second hour tonight, I think we're going to talk about trends.
	And it's irresistible to me, and I'll show you why here in a second.
	Trends.
	Trends.
	It's a very good topic.
	Tonight's guest is Gerald Salenti, founder and director of the Trends Research Institute.
	Today's number one trend analyst.
	He's a trend analyst, and he looks at the way things are going and projects the way things are going to be.
	And so it's going to be very interesting, not because of trends right now, Let's talk about the trends right now on the news, shall we?
	The Senate voted today to take all of that nasty radioactive material and either truck it or train it or otherwise send it to here in Nevada, 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas, where they just recently had an earthquake, I might add.
	That issue aside, I think it'll store relatively safely there.
	But the real concern ought to be all of you out there.
	I mean, now this goes past, it's going to happen, and they're going to truck all this really nasty radioactive crap out here to Nevada and stick it in the ground, where it will have to be safe from human interaction with it in any way at all for probably hundreds of thousands of years.
	So we'll have to be really good custodians, but that's okay because we Short as it may be, we have a sparkling record as custodians, right?
	So that's a trend.
	President Bush today went and gave a speech about Wall Street.
	Now, Wall Street's a trend, too.
	President Bush basically said that he wanted to put the bad guys in jail, you know, the white collar criminals.
	Longer criminal sentences for white collar crime.
	higher ethical standards and uh... you know admonished uh... the ceos of the nation uh... to be telling the truth the uh... the stock market dropped uh... let me see after his speech the stop stock market dropped big-time a hundred and seventy eight point eighty one on the dow and uh...
	A 24.49 or 1.7 percent on the NASDAQ.
	So, the President wants these guys put in jail.
	You know, the trend is with regard, I think your answer would be with regard to a confidence, how much confidence you have with your dollars.
	If you're investing in the stock market after seeing the biggies I'd just get smushed because of what they did.
	How do you feel?
	Are you confident enough to go invest in the stock market?
	The answer apparently is no for a lot of people, and this is very serious, and the President's speech didn't seem to cure anything at all.
	In fact, you know, you could make a case, I suppose.
	It goes down anyway, but you could make a case that they didn't really like what he said.
	That it didn't give confidence.
	So how much confidence do you have in the stock market right now?
	been watching it it's a it's pretty interesting uh...
	Al-Qaeda spokesperson.
	Headline, we're thriving.
	Two statements reportedly from Al-Qaeda spokesmen have been releasing.
	Osama Bin Laden's terrorist group is thriving, planning new attacks and assassinations as we speak.
	Al-Qaeda will organize more attacks inside American territory and outside as well, at the moment we choose, at the place we choose, with the objectives that we want.
	That's Al-Qaeda's chief spokesperson.
	In another purported Al-Qaeda statement, a Saudi-owned satellite television broadcast audiotaped comments by an Al-Qaeda spokesman describing Abu Lahith from Libya, saying the terror group is preparing for a coming period of guerrilla war.
	So, you know, here you have a kind of a trend, too.
	We are on the verge of war.
	Well, we're in a war.
	Maybe that would be the really right way to put it.
	We're in a war.
	Now, how far in, the degree to which we're in and going to be in, that's a trend and something we could talk about.
	Right?
	How do you think it's going?
	Iraq lays ahead.
	The terrorists promise to poison us or blow us up or whatever.
	And they're moving right ahead and they issue statements and they're going to do it.
	Iraq says Farrakhan.
	Was Farrakhan over in Iraq or what?
	Did you know that?
	Iraq says Farrakhan tells of U.S.
	Muslims port Iraq's state-run media has quoted Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan as saying during a visit to Baghdad that American Muslims are praying for an Iraqi victory in a war with the U.S.
	A State Department official in Washington said he was aware of the report on the official Iraqi news agency.
	I wasn't going to comment on it, though.
	Mr. Farrakhan held meetings during the weekend with Iraqi officials on a solidarity trip billed as an effort to avoid U.S.
	military campaign against Saddam Hussein.
	Mr. Farrakhan held talks with Islamic Affairs Minister Abdul Munim Saleh on ways to confront the American threats against Iraq.
	So there is a trend, you know, that we could talk about.
	I mean, Farrakhan is over there virtually sort of planning with them how to do us in.
	I don't think that overstates it.
	You know, it's going to be war.
	Probably going to be war, right?
	So, that's certainly a trend.
	This trend toward running, toward moving, toward war and conflict and all the rest of it.
	And since we're going to have the nation's number one, then there's the ecological situation in the US.
	You know, yesterday we talked about this WWF report about our planet preparing to expire in the year 2050.
	Right?
	We're dead in 2050, and either we have two other planets ready to colonize with the human race, or we're dead meat.
	I mean, this is a really serious report.
	A lot of people think it's communistic nonsense, and some people think somewhere in the middle, I suppose.
	Somewhere in between the alarming nature of the report and what might really be true, but probably the truth is somewhere in between, don't you suppose?
	What would you say the trend for ecology is right now, the world's state?
	How healthy is the world?
	Now, we can't, well yes we can actually, we can all be trend people tonight for a little while.
	So as you consider these, here's what I'm going to ask you to do, as you consider these various trends, the state of the United States, I would ask you to assign a number.
	Somewhere between 1 and 10.
	A number 10 would be that the United States has absolutely unlimited prospects.
	That the future has never looked better on every front.
	Everything is go, full speed ahead.
	The economy's ripping.
	Everybody's making millions.
	Lifestyles are improving.
	The quality of life has never been this good.
	God, it's this good.
	How could it be this good?
	That's a ten.
	One would be the end is nigh.
	The end is nigh, and the prospects for the U.S.
	are dismal, actually awful.
	The end is coming.
	And so I wonder, and obviously there's a large scale of gray in between 1 and 10, right?
	So I'd be interested in your assigning a number to our current prospects, our current trends.
	And so I thought I'd listen to all of you this hour, and then we can all listen to Gerald Celente next hour, and kind of compare notes on thoughts about prospects for us, the U.S.
	And trends are, you know, it's something everybody can do.
	I mean, Celine is in one of the big whoop-de-doo think tanks.
	But I think you have eyes too, right?
	So you can look at what's happening.
	Any sensible person can right now.
	I think you can come up with a number between 1 and 10.
	Anyway, give it a try.
	I'd be very interested in your take on the current state of affairs in this uh... great country of ours
	you know i think i want to take some calls on this Just go to open lines through the next hour, and before we have our real think tank super-duper number one trend expert on next hour, get what you think.
	You picked the category.
	It doesn't matter.
	Oh, crime, by the way, which had been on the decline in the U.S.
	for years, is on the way up, too.
	Did you know that?
	That's a trend.
	That's another one people watch.
	And it's beginning to take steps up for the first time.
	Crime.
	Rod Steiger's dead, by the way, at 77.
	Pneumonia and kidney failure.
	That's a shock.
	Hi Art, this is Arlene.
	Arlene, where are you?
	uh... marlin brando's who live brother and on the waterfront one of the oscar as a redneck southern police chief in the
	heat of the night earlier today for the reasons i stated sorry to see you go
	so uh... let's just go to the phones and take some calls to what we get first time
	caller line you're on the airlock i think that we are we where are you
	uh... person okay uh...
	How do the trends look to you, my dear?
	I think it's a 4.
	A 4, huh?
	That's pretty sad.
	Yeah, it's pretty sad.
	When I was a kid, and you would ask about the prospects for the U.S., you'd probably get an easy 8 or a 9.
	And that's a while ago, but not that long ago.
	No.
	When I was a kid, it was better.
	How long ago were you a kid?
	In the seventies.
	In the seventies, huh?
	Alright, well, you're pretty young.
	A four, huh?
	A four.
	Well, that's not too good.
	Remember, ten would be unlimited prospects.
	Things have never been better for the U.S.
	The economy's roaring.
	Everything's working.
	There aren't problems.
	Don't worry, be happy is the active Psychological phrase, and then at the other end of the scale it's like the end.
	The end is nigh.
	So she gives us a four.
	I suppose I should keep some sort of average, shouldn't I?
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello there.
	I'm Wendell from Florida.
	Okay.
	I would like to comment, if I could, about the survival of America.
	This is going to be really hard because people just don't care anymore.
	They don't get out and vote.
	They let the politicians do whatever they want to do.
	And I would like to ask you if you would please have a show on the dark side of the USA, the US Patriot Act that was passed in Congress behind closed doors.
	If you could pick that apart on your show, I would so appreciate it.
	That's all I've got to say.
	All right, thank you.
	Well, I don't know.
	On the one hand, anybody could pick it apart.
	Anybody who cherishes all the freedoms that we have could take that act and pick it apart, because it absolutely infringes on some of those rights.
	However, we're in a time where we have a bunch of people that are trying to kill us.
	Actively, really trying to kill us.
	Kaboom!
	Kill us!
	And so you have to balance that against extreme measures that are being taken.
	And it's a tough balance, boy, it's really a tough balance.
	And you can never let it get so far that you have destroyed what you were having to fight to preserve.
	So, you know, that's another trend.
	I mean, that's another trend we can talk about.
	The response to terrorism has absolutely and will absolutely, as it continues, increasingly infringed on our rights.
	But you knew that was going to happen, didn't you?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	How you doing?
	I just turned down my radio.
	Joe from Boston.
	Yes, Joe.
	The RKO Radio, number two.
	Number two?
	Yep.
	Real low for this society, but no one gives it.
	You only give us two?
	Yep.
	No one gives a damn, and I think the world's going down the pot real fast.
	Now, all the world, or just, um... I think mostly the U.S.
	I think the rest of the world will go eventually.
	And how long will that FW report be up there?
	Because I want to see if I can go to the library and get it.
	Uh, the WWF report?
	That's it.
	WWF.
	Oh, we'll leave that on.
	It's on Link's page.
	You can read it.
	I'll have someone get it, but I'll give the U.S.
	the number two.
	I think we're going down the pot real fast.
	Anything you can see, even conceivable, that would stop the decline?
	Absolutely.
	People change their attitudes and start helping one another.
	No one gives a damn anymore, as you well know.
	No, I said something realistic.
	Yeah, people change their attitudes.
	I was being facetious, Joe.
	Okay, okay.
	We have to really change our outlook on life and start getting the economy back.
	And start taking care of our own people in this country.
	The only thing that will take is trust.
	Money will do what money does.
	It will invest.
	If it trusts, and the trouble is right now, it doesn't trust our businesses.
	Well, look at WorldCom.
	Look what happened today.
	Look what we found out.
	And they've done that since 1992, haven't they?
	I heard on another station that when Bush's father was involved, they looked at it and there were problems then in corporations.
	So, we have to trust each other, we have to change our attitudes, our hearts.
	Well, as I said, I was actually looking for something realistic.
	And I once again am being sort of facetious here.
	So, a four and a two so far.
	Not too good.
	You know, the President is never going to talk people into trusting.
	In the business world, money will move at its own pace, and the trust will have to come because horrendous things happen to the people who have done these things.
	And so the president called for harsher penalties, and they're going to have to start slapping handcuffs on people, and putting them away for a long period of time.
	And that has not traditionally been done, because most of these people are pretty close to the power base, They just get treated differently.
	To say anything else would be a lie.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Art, I've got a great trend to keep an eye on.
	In the Bible, God said, I would bless those who bless Israel, and I will curse those who curse Israel.
	And I've noticed over the past couple of years that as our leadership come out and make more and more pro-Palestinian statements, our market seems to follow that trend in falling.
	And I will bet you anybody could go back and correlate some of the key statements made by our leaders.
	They could correlate that with the market and they would probably find something that's very scary.
	So, yeah, that's a trend.
	I mean, it's all a trend, and so how about you taking a stab at this?
	Well, it's going to depend on our leadership.
	If they go pro-Palestinian and Congress comes out and makes some joint statements... I know, but that's one aspect of a larger world trend.
	What I'm asking you is to give me a trend number from the U.S.
	The trend number I would give might be maybe a 5.
	A 5?
	Now, that could go up or down depending on how we react to the Middle East situation, but I'll bet you anything that one has something specifically to do with the other.
	Well, I can't deny that it would.
	It probably would.
	I mean, if the results of our policy result in a war, then war will have predictable... You know, you can't say that, I guess, in this day and age, can you?
	War will have a predictable outcome.
	It won't have a predictable outcome, will it?
	Because today we're dealing with these incredible weapons of mass destruction.
	And so war could be really different and have a really different outcome.
	Diseases that can be released.
	I mean, here they are vaccinating government workers against smallpox.
	They're not doing that because they're wanting to waste the time of government workers nor the money.
	They're doing that because they know something.
	We're getting worried about dirty bombs and I could tell you things that I can't tell you, but it's just a really scary Time out there right now.
	Very scary time.
	Drives the trend numbers down, I expect.
	I'm Art Bell.
	From the high desert?
	You're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
	Looking for your trend number.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 9, 2002.
	The world and the level of need, everybody's looking for something.
	Some of them want to use you. Some of them want to get used by you.
	Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused.
	Oh, sweet dreams are made of this. Who am I to disagree?
	Coast to Coast AM, July 9, 2002.
	Coast to Coast AM, July 9, 2002.
	The hollow of the city streets are bleeding.
	Light from the neon, turn the dark into day.
	We're too hard to take the sleeping.
	We can't do this.
	To get out before the magic got away We were born with the night
	A pain in the shadow From the pure red light
	To the morning light We were running, oh
	Running in the night And you're looking so good, girl
	Can't you turn?
	You and me on the town Ooh, in the long day
	You're losing up Keep it going
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 9, 2002.
	See, what we can have here is a think tank and a feeling tank.
	We can have a feeling tank, too.
	Because how do you decide, you know, where you are between 1 and 10 on the scale I described?
	How would you, you know, it would be a good question for Celente.
	Give him the 1 to 10 test, huh?
	One way that you can decide what your number is, is just by how you feel.
	In other words, when you look around you at the world, your fellow population, the state of the country, the state of the economy, the state of war in the world, the state of everything that's important, when you look around like that, how do you feel?
	In the pit of your stomach, is there a warm, fuzzy, comfortable, Swollen, happy feeling.
	Or is a bit of your stomach more like, you know, a minute or two after you ate 13 cheap hot dogs?
	So that'd be the feeling test, and I don't know, you'd be given a number there between 1 and 10 somewhere.
	Try it.
	Maybe I'll call this the Bell Comfort Index.
	What do you think?
	The Bell Comfort, writing this down, Index.
	1 to 10.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, I was thinking a minute ago that I feel pretty confident.
	I would say a 7.
	Really?
	Invulnerable confident, but um... No, a 7 though, I mean that's like much better than average.
	It went way on up there from today's point of view, from my point of view.
	So I'd like to know, what gives you a 7?
	Well, we're complaining about these guys getting caught for doing some dirty deals.
	We are?
	Well, I hear a lot of people, they're not complaining about them getting caught, but they're saying, oh gee, look at our times, these guys are some bad guys, and look what's going on.
	Oh, well they are bad guys.
	Yeah, but there's always been bad guys.
	Yeah, but I think, not so much, though, at the very top of corporate America.
	I mean, if you go back even to the beginning, the top of corporate America has always been pretty conservative, pretty honest, actually.
	You go back to the beginning of the car companies and, you know, big business.
	It hasn't been perfect, but it's been accountable.
	Well, ask Tucker how fair the car business was.
	Well, Tucker, yeah.
	Yeah, they squeezed him out.
	It's always been that way.
	The guys that get to the top, they close the gates.
	Yeah, I know, but that's called competition.
	Now, that's another thing altogether.
	I'm talking about outright theft here.
	Yeah.
	You know, theft.
	I guess maybe in one way I'm more optimistic than you, but in another way, I'm more cynical than you.
	And in what way are you more cynical?
	That's hard to do.
	Well, I think we've always had people that have been this big of creeps.
	Maybe they haven't had the... Well, no, I even agree that relative to their times, they've had the opportunity to be scandals or, you know, scandals on a larger scale of these guys today.
	You have the robber barons in the 20s.
	Yeah.
	Boy, medieval times, you know.
	And we've already suffered some pretty big setbacks.
	If you look at evolutionary theory and floods and this, that, and the other, we've been knocked down pretty hard a few times.
	But we're scrappers, and we have a technology base now where if we did take a hard hit, and I also believe in the survival instinct, if we get a real bad dude out there with his finger on the red button, I don't think just Americans pull together in the crisis, but I think humans pull together in the crisis, and we find some strange bedfellows to get rid of that guy that threatened all of us as a species.
	Uh, we have that opportunity and have had for a while now with Saddam Hussein.
	Uh, he is certainly threatening us as a species.
	You know, if he could do it, he would poison and kill every last person in this country, right?
	Um, yeah, I think he's crazy enough to do that.
	Sure, so there's your perfect example.
	The trouble is, we don't have him yet.
	Well, what's the balance line, though?
	When does it become real enough for everybody to be motivated enough to actually act?
	Like, you were talking about that balance line between, uh, freedom and self-preservation through restriction on our
	freedom.
	I think those things are cycles.
	Everything is cyclical.
	My big fear is that we have the power to destroy ourselves as a world and a species now.
	I really believe that...
	You don't think it's going to happen?
	It could, but boy, if one guy goes crazy, I think the rest of the world will get rid
	of them and I think that we could recover.
	You know, at one time, that statement would have been absolutely dead on the money, because eventually we'd get him, but this entire movement out there that wants all of us dead, it would use, if it could get its hands on it, some biological agent that would kill every last one of us.
	Don't rule out the possibility.
	No, well, of course not.
	That's what I mean.
	You know, we have the ability now to wipe us out.
	Well, that's what makes today's bad guys, or single guys out there, much more dangerous than they once were in a different world.
	I don't know.
	I guess I'm a survivor, and I feel as long as there's a fighting chance, we'll go for it.
	Alright, well, I like your optimism.
	A 7.
	Alright, thank you.
	That'll pull the average for the comfort level up, to be sure.
	So we'll give that a 7.
	We've got a 4, a 2, a 5, and a 7.
	See, our statistical sample isn't going to be big enough to mean very much, but you get the idea.
	Then we'll get the real expert here at the top of the hour.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Larry in Fort Lauderdale.
	Hello, Larry.
	I'm going to come in with an 8.
	An 8?
	Yes.
	Wow!
	And I have reasons for that.
	Let's hear them.
	Well, the first thing to comment on the last caller, I think that I have enough faith in our government and our military that behind the scenes they told the leaders of certain countries that harbor terrorists that if they explode something here of mass destruction, we are going to annihilate them.
	We will probably do something so terrible that I think they're keeping that in check a little bit.
	I hope to hell you're right.
	And the other reason is I think that people do good The American people do good when they can control things, things that they can put their hand on, whether it's voting or whether they're waving flags after 9-11.
	They can't control esoteric things like meteorites and the Securities and Exchange Commission.
	You could have the SEC up there with meteorites.
	I'm trying to show a wide, wide range of things.
	We sit here night after night.
	We listen.
	Like last night, I breathed a sigh of relief over the Mayan calendar.
	Week after week, we've been hearing this with different guests on your shows.
	It's the end of time.
	He explained it away last night, without fear.
	It's going to be an anniversary, he said.
	Right, and then another one starts up and I noticed how you took that.
	You kind of like said, oh, so then it just starts over again.
	And I'm thinking, wow, that cleared up about a two-year problem that we had.
	And I thought that was pretty interesting.
	But one example is this.
	You know, we have I-95 here up and down in Florida and we have a lot of road rage.
	And yet you think that nobody cares about anybody else.
	Well, the minute a car goes into a canal here, eight, nine, ten people stop, and at least half of those will dive in and pull somebody out.
	And it's not to be on television.
	And one of those people in the rescue effort might even be the person who flipped the finger that put the guy in the ditch.
	Right?
	It's a weird world we live in, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	That's all I've got to say.
	It's a weird world.
	And there is a lot of road rage out there.
	And I've got to admit, I feel some of it myself.
	My God, there's some stupid drivers on the road!
	Stupid!
	Makes you wish you had a large car-to-car weapon in the front.
	Middle of your grill there, where you could push a button, you know.
	Put them in flames on the side of the road and then keep going.
	Huh, but then you think better of it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, hello.
	Going, going, gone.
	First time caller line.
	You're on the air.
	Oh, I hope I did that right.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	How are you?
	I'm all right, sir.
	Where are you?
	I am in Atlanta, Georgia.
	I'm sorry I'm calling from my cell phone.
	Ah, sorry.
	My name is Daniel.
	Hey, look.
	You know, I think we're down there around the two or three because of this one reason.
	You look at that.
	I need a number.
	Let's say three.
	Three, okay, three.
	Can I tell you why?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, well, if you look at Matt Drudge on his site, you'll see he's referencing people like Hal Lindsey and prophecy, things like that.
	And that didn't used to happen very often.
	And now, you know, you've had him on your show.
	I don't know if you've had Jack Van Empey or anybody like that, but there's a lot of prophecy going on right now in the signs and the heavens and all that kind of stuff.
	It's actually happening.
	Even the birds.
	You know something?
	I ought to have Matt Drudge on the air.
	Yeah, I have Matt Beck.
	I should.
	I really should.
	Yeah, but I think the trend right now is people don't want to look at the actual end, but they're still intrigued.
	It's almost like going by and seeing an accident, that you don't really want to look at it, but you know it interests you still.
	And I think people really are going, you'll notice on the internet, I'm not going to say any sites, but on the internet there's a lot of sites that are popping up now dealing with prophecy and those kind of things.
	Listen, I've got to tell you, and I really mean this personally, I am absolutely, don't get me wrong, I'm fascinated, even riveted.
	What's going on in the world right now has got to be, on a drama level, more, no matter what number you give it, and my number would be pretty low I'm afraid, I'm sort of cynical, I guess.
	But from a drama point of view, oh my God, these are fascinating times.
	With all this pressure and all these things occurring, they're absolutely fascinating times to be alive.
	And to watch how this is going to unfold.
	Fascinating.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey, how you doing, Art?
	I'm doing okay, sir.
	This is John in Kansas.
	Yes, sir.
	Turn your... John, John, John.
	Turn off your radio.
	Hang on, Mark.
	I'll wait.
	You see, you get all confused, just like he did, if you don't turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	Yes, okay, John, go ahead.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	I would have to give it a five.
	Oh, a five?
	Yeah.
	Sort of a... We're kind of going toward a four.
	Five moving toward a four, huh?
	So, in other words, that tells me your trend direction.
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	The Fed, when it gives its outlook, like the forecast, here's how we feel, you know.
	We're not going to raise interest rates right now, but we feel like we might soon.
	That's the sort of thing the Fed says.
	All right, well, so five leading toward a four.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I wanted to talk to Art Bell about that Mayan calendar thing that he was talking about this morning.
	Why would you think he'd want to speak about that, sir?
	Because he's talking about predictions and stuff that things that are going to be coming true and kind of just to re-raise an issue and also because of my point of view on it as far as being a Latter-day Saint and looking at the Mayan culture.
	All right, well let me tell you a little secret, all right?
	This is Art Bell.
	And you are on the air, and so everybody heard what you just said.
	Uh-oh.
	Okay.
	Well, here's the thing.
	There is a scripture in the Book of Mormon that talks about when Christ came to visit the Central American area.
	And he came down there and talked to some people that became his apostles there.
	And they... I'm sorry, I'm so nervous.
	Just try to get to your point, sir.
	The point is that there were a lot of things that were said there.
	And basically, some of those things he specifically says were not actually recorded in any scripture.
	It says... Stuff like what?
	Well, it... That's the point.
	The thing is that they're a thing that were considered so very sacred that... So nobody knows what he said?
	So they don't really know what he said.
	Then how can we talk about it?
	There are some things that he doesn't... that were recorded that... by the Mayan people.
	Sir?
	Yeah?
	How can we talk about it if we don't know what it is he said?
	Well, because the thing is that there's a lot of things about the Mayan culture that are not...
	Explain, even in the Book of Mormon, for instance, the Mayan calendar.
	Where did that come from?
	The guest last night said that we were just going to have the anniversary of the arithmetic you apply to the Mayan calendar to get out so far, and you would just start a new one.
	Right.
	Well, I don't know if I believe that or not.
	And some people, you know, the opinion ranges from it is the end of time to it is simply the anniversary of the mathematical calculation that takes the mind calendar out, either forward or reverse in time.
	And there are people who even take it reverse in time.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Dr. Daniel here in Omaha.
	Yes, sir?
	Turn your radio off, doctor.
	Yes.
	There we go.
	That's good for you.
	All right, go ahead.
	Yes.
	I wanted to give it an 8.
	An 8?
	Yeah.
	And what gives this incredible optimism to you?
	Well, with my background in technology, I think we're probably going to make some very big breakthroughs within 10 years.
	technology is going to save our butts right either that or burry it
	uh...
	in in what way do you imagine technology saving us from what appear to be the
	woes of the world right now well the the newer technologies
	the uh...
	one one example of it in your state there where they're going to have all
	these problems with them bringing in all this radioactive material
	Not just my state.
	It's coming by your house.
	Check it out.
	I mean, we grow it here.
	We send it there.
	I see.
	But eventually we'll be able to mollify those radioactive materials and get rid of them.
	And what year do you predict that will occur?
	That one, within ten years.
	Ten years.
	And that's not very far away.
	All we need is the energy, and we'll have the energy.
	We'll have new breakthroughs.
	We're going to have the energy.
	So we'll take this giant stockpile, which, by the way, is due to be arrived in about ten years here in Nevada.
	Yeah, I think we can do that.
	And we'll turn it into dust or something productive.
	Yes.
	Well, that's interesting.
	So then you think as we solve our energy woes, we solve all the other woes at the same time?
	Well, that's just one of them.
	It helps out worldwide because some of the problems that are happening worldwide are problems with people that don't have anything and they decided they wanted to kill all of us until they don't have it.
	Yeah, that's pretty much it.
	All right, sir, thank you very much.
	All the way up to an eight, and technology will do the trick.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, I'm calling on my crappy cell phone, really sorry.
	Oh, that's all right.
	Okay, well, I'm going to give it a one.
	It's not all right that you have your radio on, though.
	Turn it off.
	It's off.
	Okay.
	You're giving us a one?
	Yeah, but my reason is, if that made people read Plato's Republican School instead of Great Expectations, it would be a lot better off, you know?
	We're all getting kind of stupid.
	Oh, and that guy, that Mormon guy?
	Actually, we're getting smaller and dumber.
	The Mormon guy, yes, yes.
	Well, I'm a Mormon, too.
	I know what he was talking about.
	He was saying that they believe that the calendar ended at 2012 because they got clued into something Jesus Christ told them and nobody else knows.
	You know, there's another scripture in the Bible that says, you know, nobody knows the time or the place.
	It's just off.
	I don't find it at school of thought, either.
	That's not the point it's trying to make.
	I see.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	It was hard to understand.
	It was hard to... somehow it just didn't sink in with me.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, hi Art.
	Hi.
	I would give it a... I don't know if I'll accept this as a number, but my number would be .00001.
	No, I'd have to call it a one.
	For my purposes, I'm going to call it a one.
	Okay, for your purposes.
	I mean, I explained a one is the end is nigh.
	It doesn't get any worse than that, right?
	Well, all right then.
	I was just adding zero to the one, trying to be optimistic here in some fashion.
	You mean leaving like a thousandth of a ten percent open?
	Exactly.
	I need some shred of hope here.
	By the way, I was kind of curious.
	In reading about the nuclear waste which would be placed in Nevada, did they not just have an earthquake that went, that would have been directly over?
	Why, yes, they did.
	Four point something or another, my dear.
	Right, and it was actually centered at Yucca Mountain where all this stuff would be.
	Now, of course, they advertised that they could take eight Or nines, or whatever.
	I mean, the caskets that these things are going to be in, I guess, would defy Mother Earth herself.
	It's nice to know I'm not the only optimist, Art.
	You know, I live pretty close to all this stuff, so it'll be interesting to see, right?
	Well, I'm in Washington right now, but I'm originally from Arizona.
	You're in Washington State?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Listen, our hour is breaking.
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	So you heard amateur hour.
	That was last hour on Trends.
	We all did that.
	I include myself as an amateur.
	Totally as an amateur.
	But now we'll listen to the man who is said to be number one.
	The number one trend analyst in America.
	How's that?
	Gerald Sollente, founder and director of the Trends Research Institute, is number one.
	He's editor and publisher of the Trends Journal newsletter, author of the national bestseller, Trends 2000, and Trend Tracking in his new book.
	What ZZ gave Honey Boy, a true story about love, wisdom, and the soul of America.
	Sollente still tracks trends, but puts a human face on them.
	That, in this case, is this 83-year-old Italian aunt, ZZ, who raises some very tough questions.
	Are we better off today?
	Have we lost too many timeless old world values in the March progress, and what does the future hold?
	Celente is a pioneer in forecasting, analyzing, and managing trends.
	He designed and currently teaches the first professional course in trend tracking.
	Using his unique perspectives on current events forming future trends, he developed the global nomic methodology to forecast and manage trends.
	Published and documented evidence proves that the Institute has produced the most accurate, timely, and comprehensive forecasts.
	In addition to providing specialized trend research services, Mr. Salenti is called upon by corporations and associations to deliver keynote addresses and seminar presentations worldwide.
	Gotta wonder what he's taught them since Enron, WorldCom, and Marth Stewart.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	Gotta wonder.
	Actually, you don't have to wonder because coming up in a moment is Gerald Cilente.
	Alright, now comes Gerald Cilente, our nation's number one trend
	think tank kind of guy.
	This should be very, very, very interesting, because in the first hour, I asked my audience, Gerald, to think real hard about every aspect now Of what's going on in our country, you know, the stock market and politics and, you know, internationally, the war, the present situation with our ecological woes.
	I mean, literally, to look at every aspect of life as it is right now, the threats we face and all the rest of it, and give me a comfort index figure between 1 and 10, 1 being the end is nigh, in other words, it's just about all over, to 10 being The U.S.
	and the world have absolutely unlimited prospects.
	It never could be better.
	The economy is roaring.
	People have a very, very high standard of living.
	Threats are few.
	The safety level is wonderful.
	We all feel warm and fuzzy.
	That would be a 10.
	Of course, then there'd be gradients in between.
	And we've got some pretty interesting responses, probably averaging, like, say, about a 5.
	was said about a five four to five somewhere there on average
	to the whole bunch calls and that's how people seem to be a nice very tiny sample
	and not she's large enough to be statistically worth it now we've got you and so we're going to ask you the same
	thing i would say i would rate it around a three three
	yeah i uh... i'd i'd think that we are like i can see that we're we're headed
	for for certain disaster in a lot of ways economically geopolitically
	socially uh... morally
	and if the course isn't changed well the iceberg is lying ahead
	Bye.
	But I think people are, they want to call themselves optimists.
	So you could call yourself an optimist, so you can say after the ship hit the iceberg, that, hey, wasn't dinner great last night?
	And the band, they played terrific right up until the end.
	Well, one of my callers, one of my optimists, who gave us an eight, said, you know, who are you kidding?
	I mean, technology is going to save us.
	Whatever the present woe is, not to worry, because the scientists are going to pull our fat out of the fire.
	I'm in my mid-fifties.
	I grew up hearing science is going to have a cure for cancer just about all my life.
	I know.
	And, you know, it's basically childish thinking to think that technology is going to get us out of this when it's us that's putting us into this.
	You know, as we change into this new millennium, and you mentioned about Martha Stewart, the accounting firms, the Catholic Church, big name authors who plagiarized Corporation after corporation that's cooking the books.
	And these politicians, well, you know, they're of a breed of only a mother could love.
	And we have to ask ourselves, what's going on over here?
	Our most trusted institutions can no longer be trusted.
	It's a sign of the times.
	Now, the President gave a speech today that was billed, you know, for the Wall Street types.
	Uh, really, uh, calling for the accountability, you know, putting more white-collar folks in jail, uh, for what they do and that sort of thing, increasing the penalties.
	And Wall Street took a look at that and listened to that and went down 178 points today.
	Well, sure, you know, I mean, that's just where they call these things photo opportunities, you know, from the Bronx we used to call those things publicity stunts.
	And they huff and bluff all the time, you know, when the Enron thing started to collapse, You know, they told us they were going to get tough and the politicians fought for the limelight, but you know, right after the smoke died down, the toughest laws were all but dead.
	And it goes on and on, issue after issue.
	Now, things are serious here, and Wall Street knows it.
	You know, I could never figure out, I remember this woman who was the CEO of Mattel, And as she drove the company into the ground, she was given this huge bailout.
	They call them golden parachutes.
	She's not alone.
	A whole bunch of them.
	You know what?
	These aren't golden parachutes.
	As I look at this now, my belief is that that's hush money.
	These corporations aren't making any money.
	You can't make money in a global society.
	Economic terms, it's called an imbalance between productive capacity and purchasing power.
	Boy, I thought I was cynical.
	Boy, you're really just outdoing me.
	It's not a question of being a cynic.
	It's a question of these are the facts.
	You have open markets.
	Well, let me ask you this, Gerald.
	Enron, WorldCom, Stewart, Problems.
	Do you think that this is it?
	Or do you think that, in other words, how many more shocks, major shocks like this, do you think might be out there?
	I think you're going to start seeing it corporation after corporation.
	They're not making money.
	They're just not.
	A lot of them are.
	Some of them, many of them are.
	A lot of them aren't.
	You're talking about a collapse.
	We're talking about a collapse.
	We're talking about The Dow probably going down to 7,000, and if there's another terrorist attack, the country's going to go non-stop into a depression.
	It barely withstood the terror attack of 9-11, and if there's another one, you know, all bets are off.
	So, no, this is not going to turn around, as I said.
	There's also this other childish belief that, you know, well, things have to get worse before they get better.
	That's not the way it works in life, whether it's a chronic disease or the economy.
	You know, we have such a short-sighted view of the world.
	We go back to the last recession or even the last depression.
	Empires come and go.
	And the way this one is heading, it could be on its way out.
	If it is on its way out, just speculatively, Gerald, there's always going to be an empire.
	It just might not be us anymore, but where would you think the next empire would begin to form?
	We could go through, also, a dark age, as there's that vacuum there.
	And that's what we really fear right now.
	I mean, right now, we're the only superpower really left.
	You know, we are.
	Exactly.
	So if we go, then it's kind of chaotic out there.
	And that's what we're concerned about.
	This could be the beginning of a dark age, or we also have the opportunity of it becoming a renaissance.
	But nothing is going to change.
	It's not going to be technology that makes the change.
	Nothing's going to change until people change.
	These politicians don't fall out of the sky.
	When did you begin to conclude all of this?
	Because you weren't this negative on the economy before.
	I mean, to call you negative on the economy is...
	Understating, almost, the way you've come at it here.
	You're just not hopeful at all.
	So, when did all... I mean, was it the Enrons, the Worldcoms?
	Oh, no, no.
	It was when globalization really started to take hold.
	You see, when people talk about issues like globalization, they say, well, it's good, it's bad.
	We just look at it and say, what is?
	We're political atheists.
	We don't look at things the way we want them to be.
	We just look at them for what they are.
	So let me briefly explain.
	Please.
	We call it the five O's.
	The first one is overproduction.
	Worldwide, there's overproduction.
	I could get anything you could get made anyplace else.
	And then the second one is overcapacity.
	They've done it.
	I go now into a store or Marshalls or buy a Donna Karan shirt that has a $58 retail value that was made in Kyrgyzstan And now it's selling for $12 with that little red tag on it.
	Here's the difference.
	In the old days, when I was a kid, I used to hear, no one has the skilled workforce of the American worker.
	Well, guess what?
	That's not true anymore.
	Number two is, when I was a kid, and coming from a large family of seven children, when you bought something inexpensive in the stores, it was cheap.
	It was made cheap.
	It looked cheap.
	Now you can buy good At a low price.
	The third O is overpopulation.
	If you start from whatever zero was, and go to 1920, there were two billion people.
	Now we have six billion people.
	What that means with overpopulation is you have a nearly infinite supply of cheap labor, according to the World Bank.
	But you know what you're saying?
	It sounds kind of good, in a way.
	I mean, if we can continue to be the masters of information Technology.
	And we can sort of continue to, I don't know how else to put it, rule the world.
	More or less.
	Then, you know, goods are cheap and plenty and that's a good thing, isn't it?
	It's a good thing if you're only selling information technology and the rest of the world needs it and you're the only one that has it.
	But how about all these other jobs that you need in the United States?
	For instance, Only 25% of our adult population has four years of college or more.
	And today, really, a college diploma is worth a little bit more than a high school diploma when I got out of school.
	So what I'm saying is, in the old days... Why is that?
	What?
	I said, why is that?
	That a college diploma now is worth little more than a high school diploma when you graduate.
	Well, in the sense that in the old days, when we had all of these high-paying, blue-collar jobs, you could get something with that high school diploma.
	Now we no longer have those high-paying, blue-collar jobs.
	The gap between the rich and the poor is the widest in the United States than any of the industrialized nations.
	Yeah.
	So then we stay with overpopulation.
	We have half the world, according to the World Bank, which is a hardly left-wing institution, earning, living on $2 a day.
	Yeah.
	So then we have open markets.
	All the stuff flows freely.
	Now here's where Internet technology comes in.
	We have online.
	25% of the world's gross product comes from manufacturing and raw material processing.
	That's where all that D&B stuff really works well.
	When you put all these O's together, what you have is an economy with too much product, wages declining, and a long downward trend of companies not being able to make money.
	Competition is global and it's fierce.
	And if the information economy is going to be the answer, then When we look at the investors and what they've done with the NASDAQ, that says otherwise.
	The money says otherwise.
	I mean, we've gone from, what, $5,000-something or another down to $13-something or another.
	Over 70% of the equity has been lost.
	Information technology is only going to go so far.
	Again, Art, that's one of the big lies.
	The Internet, it was called a revolution.
	It wasn't a revolution, it was an evolution.
	It was telegraph, telephone, radio, TV, internet.
	A revolution is burning whale oil and gas lamps to electricity.
	From horse and buggy, from Julius Caesar to Grover Cleveland, all the world leaders going to their inaugurations and coronations by horse and buggy, to automobile and airplane.
	That's a revolution.
	And even with those revolutions, We had those boom-bust cycles.
	I love the media.
	You know, these are the guys and women that pumped up this fake new economy jargon.
	Remember that one?
	When we wouldn't see old economic cycles ever again?
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, it's always the last war, too, right?
	Yeah, the last war.
	I forgot that one.
	It was Dow 36,000.
	Yeah.
	So, there is no new economy.
	The old fundamentals don't go away.
	And what we're saying now, in that 2002, looks a lot like 1932.
	It looks like 1932 because you're going to start to see trade wars.
	Pick up the newspapers, you're seeing immigration problems around the world.
	Pick up the newspapers, you're seeing a rise in nationalism.
	You can already start seeing that there's going to be a split between Western Europe and Eastern Europe.
	Well, what's the matter with the rise in nationalism?
	What does it say?
	Nothing's wrong with it.
	What does it say to you?
	All we're saying is what it's going to signal is a closing of this global economy.
	We see when times are good, you can paper over, you know, differences between friends and foes.
	Sure.
	But now as things get tough, name-calling starts.
	Scapegoats.
	People are going to start looking out after themselves.
	You think World War II?
	I mean, you know, we're taught... It was this bad man in Germany, and that's how the war started.
	And how about the trade wars that were going on?
	You look on the underlying factor of any war, and as the Democrats said in the old days, it's the economy, stupid.
	And it's no different today, and it'll be no different tomorrow.
	What will... It is the economy, stupid, and that's, you know, what applies to presidents and prospects for presidents, and while the president enjoys a pretty good approval rating right now, finding back those nasty terrorists, you know, ultimately, this is going to be called the Bush economy, and what does that portend for President Bush when he's running?
	It's difficult to say now.
	I mean, we can look at his father.
	And remember the Gulf War and how high its popularity was, and then along came the recession, and people forgot about the Gulf War.
	This is different.
	If the terrorism card continues to be played, if there is another terrorist attack of sorts, the nation will rally behind him.
	So it's really difficult if those things don't happen, and we're in the kind of state of mind that we're in now, But then again, you know, who are the Democrats going to roll out?
	A new Gore?
	A Daschle?
	I mean, you know, this is the two-headed, one-party system.
	There's a dime's worth of difference between them.
	So, you know, he could win again.
	Alright, listen, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	He's my kind of guy.
	Actually, he's more than my kind of guy.
	Even I am not quite that...
	A cynical and pessimistic.
	He would call it realistic.
	And that may be the truth, but he outdoes me.
	And I'm, you know, I've been a little negative lately, I admit to you.
	Feeling a little negative on the economy and everything else, too.
	We'll be right back.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM with Gerald Cilente, the nation's number one trend guy.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 9, 2002.
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	The forecast so far, not too rosy.
	Gerald Cemente is here, considered to be the number one trend guy in the U.S.
	Director of the Trans Research Institute.
	We're talking about things in general, and I suppose in some specific detail as well.
	He thinks about all this kind of stuff, and in a moment, more.
	You know, I'll tell you what we want to ask about.
	He'll be listening, so he'll know.
	If a company, like a big company, like a WorldCom or something like that, gets in trouble, Or, you know, any of the other, the Enrons or whatever, then that's one thing.
	But then you begin to look beyond those large companies to the support mechanism for them, the American economy.
	And there you get to the banks.
	Now you get to the banks.
	Now, if large companies are in trouble, then eventually the banks are in trouble.
	when the banks begin to get in trouble uh... well i think you you know what happens from there don't
	you once again here is your own selected
	Gerald, even before we get to the banks, we'll get to those in a moment.
	Let me ask you about something kind of technical in the market.
	I love to watch the market, and I watch a lot of market reports.
	When you go to these market technicians, they're of two minds.
	One half of them seem to believe that there has to be this capitulation, this point where People really go berserk and lose all trust, and there's this massive, horrible sell-off on Wall Street, and about half of them are hoping for this, because to them it will be the bottom, it'll be the end, and then the market builds from there.
	So they're waiting for this capitulation, this Well, I think that capitulation thing, that's another one of those made-up theories, you know?
	Yeah, probably.
	There's a second camp that thinks that it'll just slowly keep eroding away day by day,
	week by week, and it'll be a slow, continued erosion, no capitulation to come.
	What do you think?
	Well, I think that capitulation thing, that's another one of those made-up theories, you
	know?
	Yeah, probably.
	In the sense that stocks are still trading about 40 times P.E.
	ratio when, you know, the common thing is around 14.
	Right.
	They're still way overvalued.
	You know, I remember these ads that they used to run when the market started unraveling.
	I don't want to mention the firm, but it's one of the big ones.
	And the guy would come out, you know, and there'd be like a town hall kind of meeting setting.
	And he would say, just relax.
	Don't panic.
	The stocks will bounce back.
	And it's a joke.
	Well, that's what most brokers are saying to their customers.
	I think that's why they call them brokers, because you're broker than you are, and you've not been dealing with these people.
	This, the capitulation, they make up these stupid things.
	I remember, you know what they call this?
	A profits recession.
	I remember that one.
	You're not kidding, aren't they all?
	A profit recession.
	A profit recession.
	Alright, well now the banks, you know, I'm hearing some disturbing things about banks in Japan, disturbing rumors, and of course Argentina.
	And, you know, the company's getting in trouble is one thing, but then when you look beyond what that means, one of the things it means is that some banks could start to get in trouble.
	Now, you know, when that happens, then we're all in trouble, right?
	Oh, sure.
	You know, exactly.
	You know, the banks have been part of this great speculative boom.
	And they're the ones that fueled it.
	I love it.
	They quote liquidity.
	You know, cheap money is what it is.
	A lot of cheap money out there, right?
	A lot of cheap money out there right now, really.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You keep lowering interest rates and it gets cheaper and cheaper.
	And look what happened with Mexico.
	You know, go back to the late 90s.
	Remember, we had to bail them out?
	People forgot that one.
	And they're going to keep tapping us for more.
	Remember, they tapped us for the bailout of the SNLs?
	You see, we have to keep the Country Club going.
	So us, you know, the bartenders, the groundkeepers, the busboys, the janitors, us working people, or as Leona Helmsley, you know her, she called us the little people.
	Yeah, we're the ones that are keeping it going, so they can make all the mistakes they want.
	But guess what?
	They'll get the money from us one way or another to keep them living in the style that they've been accustomed to.
	Well, there is perhaps one mistake they can't afford to make, and that's one they may be making right now, and that's to absolutely lose the confidence of the investor if that occurs.
	And, you know, you've said it.
	I mean, it really is close.
	It's close.
	When people are afraid to put their money someplace because they think there's crooks there, then, oh, I tell you, You could be, I mean, it could be just a collapse, period.
	There can be a collapse, and it's not going to be a question of faith, it's going to be a question of fact.
	They're going to have to show the numbers now.
	They won't be able to hide them.
	And as I said earlier, they call these things, they make up these phony things like golden parachutes.
	It's hush money.
	They paid off these people to shut their mouths as they threw them out.
	Now they have to show the bottom line, and the bottom line, Art, is going to be they're not making money.
	And that's what investor confidence is all about.
	Hey, they're paying dividends, the company's making money.
	Boy, money will flow into the stock market.
	I used to call it criminal optimism.
	You know, when they used to come out and tell us, you know, these companies that we should put our money with.
	Criminal optimism.
	You know, I'm an Italian.
	If the Italians did what these guys are doing, they'd call it a Mafia scam.
	But you dress these barkers up in three-piece suits with their blue shirts and white collars, and they call them Wall Street Analysts.
	Yeah.
	Watching the Wall Street reporters on CNBC and the Fox Financial Channel and stuff is almost entertainment, actually.
	They're pulling out their hair on TV.
	Yeah, well, you know, and what I love is how these guys on CNBC that call the economy wrong continually, now they've even... The Peter Principle is the work they've elevated into their highest level of incompetency.
	Now they even comment on foreign policy issues!
	You know, it's a joke!
	This is one of the reasons why, Art, people can't see what's coming.
	It's because of the junk news.
	The dumbed-down media.
	I have in front of me a New York Times story.
	It's almost a half a page.
	From January 15, 2002.
	Hardly ancient history.
	And this is the headline.
	How to Persuade the Young to Watch the News.
	Program it.
	News executives say.
	And here's what they go on to say.
	In a May-December romance, CNN began collaborating with MTV last month to produce sassier news segments.
	Just what we need.
	Sassy news.
	They took these dot-com refugees and now they have them reading the news.
	You think it'll succeed?
	Well, it's succeeding in making more stupid news.
	Well, I know, but I mean, still, my question is, will it get ratings?
	Will it succeed?
	But they've all got dumber.
	Well, I didn't... Okay, fine, they're dumber, but the question is, is it going to succeed?
	It will succeed in the sense that they will keep the same kind of audience.
	It will succeed if they get the ratings and are able to sell Sponsors on the fact that they have the ratings.
	So that's the only question.
	Will it get the ratings?
	I don't know.
	But there's another quote in here.
	People should enjoy watching the anchors.
	No, people should enjoy watching.
	And the anchors are having as much fun as the audience.
	This is the manager of CNN Headline News.
	Guess what?
	This isn't about fun.
	And this is why Americans can't see what's happening.
	They don't have a clue.
	I love these things they call the Global Minute.
	I learned about a bus crash in Hungary, where five people died.
	Global Minute.
	Well, I don't know.
	You know, CNN, I guess, is realizing that they have to make news, have a certain entertainment quotient, and be palatable in a contemporary way.
	And maybe that means doing exactly what they're doing.
	And it's fine.
	They could do whatever they want, but what's happening is that the people rely on, most people rely on TV news, and they're just getting junk.
	More and more junk.
	I call it, well if they're going for a younger audience, which tends to be immature, inexperienced, and inclined to frivolity, I call it kitty litter.
	Kitty litter.
	Uh, well, we've come a long way since Walter Cronkite, haven't we?
	Long way down.
	Uh, yeah, I guess.
	So, um, is television, then, a reflection of the state of society, or what?
	It is.
	So when we watch TV, then we can conclude certain things about ourselves, right?
	We are them.
	We are them.
	If we're watching that junk and believe it.
	You know, before 9-11, we keep journals of all the events as they happen each day.
	Yes.
	There was a plane, two private planes had landing gear problems.
	And the major networks, this is in August of 2001, cut away from regular broadcasting to watch these two planes land safely.
	And they quoted the head of MSNBC saying something to the effect that, well, it's either this Or more Gary Condon in the dog days of summer?
	Or a week and a half later, the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were hit?
	Well, I was getting sick of the Condon thing.
	Well, that's what I'm saying, but why would they keep programming that?
	Why not look at the underlying causes of what's going on around the world, the underlying problems that are going on around the world, and try to assess the implications?
	Well, what drives the media?
	Well, what drives the media are advertisers.
	And what drives the advertisers?
	Advertisers want to play it safe.
	They don't want anything associated with their product that may seem gloom and doom, not happy face.
	That's true.
	But they want ratings.
	Most of all, they want ratings.
	Right.
	They don't care about what's going on in Argentina.
	That country is in a revolution.
	It's a revolution there.
	There's a coup attempt that happened in Venezuela.
	They're on the verge of a civil war.
	Remember Mexico that was going to thrive from NAFTA without us buying all their products?
	There's a severe recession going on there, and that place is going to unravel next.
	Along with Brazil, the reality of currency is at all-time lows.
	How would you expect Mexico, and I've been a frequent visitor to Mexico, I like Mexico, and you ask Mexicans when you're there about the state of things, and they say there's going to be a revolution.
	That's what I've heard.
	You know, the cab drivers will tell you there's going to be a revolution in Mexico.
	The common people think one is coming.
	What form do you suppose it will take?
	I don't know, but I hear something that I've just come to the conclusion of in the United States.
	If there's a revolution in this country, it's going to come from the Timothy McVeigh type militia groups.
	Because they're the ones that see our First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendment rights Being taken away from us on virtually a daily basis.
	Well, there's another trend.
	I had a call in the first hour about the Patriot Act.
	Now, we've got two things going on here, Gerald.
	We've got these Al-Qaeda guys and their friends who want to kill us dead, on the one hand.
	And on the other hand, we have a Constitution.
	And we have to protect ourselves and or fight in some way against these people who want to kill us, because that's what you do with people who want to kill you.
	But the only way we can do that is by sacrificing some basic tenets of what's in the left hand of the Constitution.
	So, that's a trend.
	Where's all that going?
	Well, you know, I'm not a Monday morning quarterback on this, Art, because in one of my, the book before this, not my current book, which is He Gave Honey Boy, but Trends 2000, I wrote about And this was written in 1995.
	It was published as a Warner book.
	It came out in December of 96.
	I wrote about Crusades 2000 and Terrorism the Genie Uncorked.
	So to answer your question about the constitutional rights, I wrote Like the other Washington, because I wrote this as though you're waking up in the new millennium and quote, terrorism is pandemic.
	Like the other Washington declared wars on drugs, crime and so on, this war would not be won by hiring more police, building more prisons, broadening the enforcement powers of government agencies, or depriving citizens of their constitutional rights.
	As with crime and drugs, the war on terrorism would provoke impassioned rhetoric, Cost billions, claim countless casualties, and do little or nothing to prevent the trend from escalating.
	I wrote that in 1995.
	And I'm waking up in the new millennium.
	Very insightful, indeed, because there we are.
	Here we are.
	Here we are.
	So, if you were to have to sit down and put a pen to our future based on The reality of what you said, now coming true, what you said in 95, what would you write about the future?
	The same thing I wrote in 95, I said, until the United States gives up taking sides in foreign internal conflicts, policing the world and using its powers to quote, spread democracy and quote, open markets, and to protect special interests in the name of national interests, the terrorism trend will continue.
	So, it's your view that we ought to keep our noses out of everybody else's business?
	It's my view that... If we don't... Again, as a kid growing up in the Bronx, there was a saying, payback's a bitch.
	Yeah.
	And under the Clinton administration, for instance, that most people don't know, Iraq was being bombed on a virtually weekly basis.
	If you're an Iraqi, you might not like that.
	There are a lot of people in the Middle East that do not agree with United States foreign policy.
	Actually, now we're talking about going to attack Iraq again.
	You want to hear something that I, again, with the news and these idiots that call themselves reporters, They're coming out talking about inoculating the country with smallpox vaccine.
	Don't forget the government first, Gerald.
	The government first, but in anticipation of reprisals of a biological attack if we attack Iraq.
	But guess what?
	I have a solution.
	Don't attack Iraq!
	But wait a minute.
	There's also the possibility that we'll be attacked with smallpox, whether or not We attack Iraq.
	I mean, these are people... These people are devoted to killing us.
	Now, if that's a way to kill us, they're going to... You know, I was being a bit facetious.
	Okay, well, so... So then, what do you think we ought to do?
	I mean, if we're attacked with smallpox, for example, and it's very deadly, and a lot of people die, Wouldn't it be politically implausible to imagine we would do anything but nuke somebody somewhere?
	Well, again, and then, you know, that's why I'm going to try to boogie until the lights go out.
	I mean, this thing just keeps escalating until madness.
	You know, remember the bravado that they were going to root out terrorism around the world and rid the world of evil?
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, and then again, you know, As I said, a lot of people out there don't like what we're doing, and people could comment, well, we have to do this.
	Fine, knock yourself out.
	What we're saying is if you do this, expect a repercussion from the implications from what you do.
	Well, I guess we could withdraw all our forces worldwide, and we could become isolationists.
	And not ever tamper with anybody's foreign policy, not assure that we keep the oil flowing.
	And, you know, that's the kind of stuff we're doing, right?
	We're assuring that the oil will continue to flow in the best interest of the U.S.
	and our economy and all the rest of it.
	I wouldn't say in the best interest of our economy to keep the oil flowing.
	I would say in the best interest of the people that are in the oil business.
	And the best interest of our economy would be to have, if it's not already done, And Manhattan Project on an alternative energy.
	That'd be good, but right now, we're an oil economy.
	Well, again, you know, with World War II, you know, we did this thing in no time, and with the brainpower, it could be done.
	So it's either we're going to sacrifice our lives for oil, and if I remember a quote from former Secretary of State James Baker at the Iraq War, and when he asked what the war was about, remember, we went to war by only one vote.
	Yes.
	I think Al Gore tipped it over.
	Yes.
	He said, it's about jobs.
	Which is about oil.
	Which is about oil.
	Alright, hold on.
	We'll take a break.
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	Casey, shade of winter sounds good, doesn't it?
	Here in Pahrump, Nevada today, it was 118 degrees.
	That's a little scary.
	It's midnight after midnight right now.
	Temperature here is 92 to 95 degrees, depending on where you are in the valley.
	Imagine that.
	I wonder what it's going to be tomorrow.
	Now the news was just talking about the heat wave across America, especially the Southwest right now, and it is
	brutal.
	I mean, it's really brutal.
	It was 118 degrees here today.
	And California, I understand, went into a Stage 1 alert.
	That means their electricity is beginning to get into the marginal territory where they might not have enough.
	And can you imagine a blackout in parts of California reaching the same kind of temperatures it does here?
	Can you imagine a blackout at 118 degrees or worse?
	And it is getting worse.
	It wouldn't be survivable.
	So, trend-wise, why don't we look a little bit at the state of the world?
	The Observer and London Journal just published this World Wildlife Federation thing that said, basically, we're using up resources so quickly on the planet and plundering the planet so quickly that by the year 2050, Earth, in essence, will expire, and we better have a couple of other planets to go to, because that's really how bad it is.
	Now, that might be an exaggeration on their part, but they go on to state a lot of facts here about the state of the world's ecology, which is not very good, really.
	And so, even if you imagine it somewhere in between the best and what they think, it's not good.
	What do you think about trends ecologically?
	Well, you know, as far as trends ecologically, we're digressing.
	I mean, I think that's really clear.
	And there's just not a zeal among the people to force a new direction.
	And until they're living in 118 degrees with no air conditioning or no power, then maybe things will change.
	And there also are the wild cards.
	And you know, I'm not looking at this as all gloom and doom.
	There may be an alternative energy.
	That, it better hurry up.
	And if something like that happens, and you know, hopefully some of this can be reversed.
	Right.
	It had better hurry up.
	It had better hurry up.
	And again, we're a nation that put together an atomic bomb in no time.
	We could, I mean, here we're in the 21st century and burning fossil fuels.
	It's a pretty fossil idea.
	We have the manpower, the woman power, the All kinds of power to make this happen.
	Just the desire isn't there.
	You talk about a psychological reign of terror coming from the middle class.
	That the gap is widening between the rich and poor.
	How is that going to manifest itself?
	Are there going to be a whole bunch of McVeys?
	Are there going to be a whole bunch of internal, you know, people maybe sending anthrax off and doing these kinds of things?
	There may well be.
	And we think that's where it's going to happen.
	Because I mentioned earlier about the loss of our constitutional rights.
	Yes.
	This is not a democracy that we're living in.
	We're living in a plutocracy.
	A plutocracy by definition is a government controlled by the wealthy.
	And that's not a radical statement, that's a fact.
	Right here in New York we have Mayor Bloomberg Would it cost them 77 million dollars to run for mayor?
	We can't run for office of any national stature unless we're very rich or suck up to those who run us as their front man or woman.
	You know, kind of like the old days with the cattle rancher putting up the mayor of the town.
	So they're going to fight to get the country back.
	And we really believe it may well happen.
	And when you look at what's going on with this, the concentration of wealth, you know, who makes a hundred million dollars?
	How do these people work off with a hundred?
	Nobody makes that kind of money unless you're stealing it!
	And they're stealing it from us, because what's going to happen, Art, is these pension programs, as all the baby boomers start hitting retirement age, and the retirement programs, They're not going to have any money in them, because they were lost by these crooks who stole it and left the country, or put it into other hidden places.
	So we're going to see a revolution, and we think it's going to happen from the angry middle class.
	The reign of terror, by the way.
	And how far would we be?
	Well, yeah, an angry middle class would have the ability to really conduct a reign of terror, alright.
	How far from that kind of breakpoint do you think we are?
	The breakpoint will be determined by the economy.
	If the economy collapses into a near-depression level, downward spiral, that kind of thing may happen, or it may be forced again by more and more taking away of rights.
	You know, there's a number here.
	One half of one percent of the population in the United States And this is from my book, Trends 2095.
	Back then, they owned 40% of all assets.
	One half of 1%.
	Yeah, and I'm told that there's a truth about our present system, and that is, and maybe you'd want to argue with this, maybe you can't argue with this, that if for a day we had to become communists, and all of the people with all of the small percentage of people you just talked about with all the money were to redistribute the money to everybody equally that within a very short time indeed the same people that have the money right now would have the money
	Again, and the same mass of middle class that would get this sudden windfall would dump it right back into the kitty for that same small percentage of people that had it before.
	Do you disagree with that?
	I disagree with it because there was a time in this country when there was a sizable middle class that didn't have to work You know, these moronic hours that we're working now, 24-7.
	I grew up when people didn't work on Sundays.
	And I also remember when politicians used to go out there and talk about how they want to see a strong middle class and increased wages for them.
	You don't hear that anymore.
	Anytime wages go up, Wall Street goes into cardiac arrest.
	That's true.
	And also, you know, in my new book, in what Zizi gave, Honey Boy, I point out that when I got married in 1973, my ex-wife was earning $10,000 a day.
	I had just gotten my Master's.
	I didn't have a job.
	It was a recession that was starting.
	We lived in a beautiful three-room apartment on the Hudson River.
	We paid $115 a month rent.
	We saved money, and that's not ancient history.
	Your ex-wife was making $10,000 a day?
	A year, I'm sorry.
	A year.
	She worked for an accounting firm that was gobbled up by these other ones, and they also, we had full medical benefits, because I got a kidney stone my first year married, and I had, you know, the best treatment of everything.
	Yeah, you could get, you know, for whatever you had, but it was a different America.
	This isn't the same America that we grew up in.
	It's been hijacked by the special interests, by the corporations.
	So there's going to be an increasing anger index in America?
	Yes, there's going to be.
	We think if it spins out of control, it could be a reign of terror that would unfortunately rival The last reign of terror in the French Revolution.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	Because what you have are basically noblemen, but they're now kings and queens and princes of commerce.
	It's the same thing.
	It's just different in the type of way they're making money and the throne that they're sitting on.
	As I said, who makes $100 million, $300 million?
	You only make this money if you're robbing it and you have insider information.
	Give me a break.
	These people are not geniuses.
	Well, yeah, you make $100 million if you have a whole lot of stock and you sell it just before the stock tanks.
	And as I said, insider information.
	Yeah, that's how it's done, alright?
	That's how it's done.
	Alright, you wrote about old trends leading to a new world war.
	Do you believe that our current situation Are we sort of sliding into a world war?
	You know, I really do wonder about that.
	The whole terrorism thing, is that sliding us toward another world war?
	Not the terrorism as much as the other issues.
	I mentioned one of them being, looking at 2002 and making it look like 1932, trade wars.
	There's already retaliatory measures against the United States.
	They're imposing 30% tariffs on imported steel.
	About bailing out the airline industry to $15 billion tune.
	About $200 billion to the agri-industry.
	And more tariffs on lumber coming in from Canada.
	On and on.
	So you have trade wars.
	It looks a lot like 1932.
	Take India and Pakistan.
	Does anybody in their right mind think that that issue has gone away?
	That's the Japan and China of the 1930s.
	The issues are different, but the global instability is the same.
	The Middle East.
	This battle won't end until either all the Palestinians are controlled, killed, or removed from the so-called Holy Land, or Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, As per the Saudi and Egyptian proposals, or if there's a second coming and something miraculous happens.
	So we see all those scenarios unlikely.
	And then we talked earlier about South America, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, Uruguay, you name the country, they're in big problems.
	Russia and their former satellites, well look what happened.
	They really didn't cash in during the big economic Phony economic boom of the 1990s.
	It's going to look really bad over there.
	They're going to go back to a new shade of red.
	And then the immigration issues that are sweeping across the globe.
	It's 1932, as we're in 2002.
	There are discussions now about booting out students from suspect countries.
	That would sort of fit right in with that, wouldn't it?
	Of course, with the immigration.
	But you know, there's this other issue about calling this stuff terrorism.
	I keep hearing them say, we're at war.
	Right after 9-11, President Bush unofficially declared a war.
	That's right.
	I keep hearing it over and over, we're at war.
	Well, if it's war, it's not terrorism.
	What you have is, you have a war being waged by enemy forces lacking the weaponry An organization needed to fight a battle on the field.
	I mean, this isn't terrorism.
	Well, that's how we fought the British, right?
	Exactly.
	Here's a quote.
	This is from our Trends Journal.
	I wrote, in 1930, the U.S.
	Senate passed a resolution in response to Japan's war with China, denouncing, quote, the inhumane bombing of civilian populations.
	And later, Franklin D. Roosevelt weighed in with a pledge
	to never engage in such inhumane barbarism but once the battle begins resolutions are broken and pledges
	forgotten quote number one there is no morality in warfare forget it number
	two when you're fighting a war to win you use every means at
	your disposal to do it
	support w tibbets pilot of the anola gay the b twenty nine to drop the atomic bomb on her russian
	and you would think that
	that uh...
	sentiment would be uh... as true today with the war uh...
	as it was then So in other words, if we are attacked, you would understand the use of the very worst or best we've got, depending on how you look at it.
	But it won't do anything.
	Because you can't win a war in New Millennium Warfare.
	And that's something, again, we've been writing about for years, long before the terrorist attack.
	And New Millennium Warfare ...is basically these weapons of mass destruction that you could buy at wholesale prices in the early 1990s with the collapse of the former Soviet Union.
	And we wrote about the hundred suitcase-sized nuclear weapons, you know?
	Yeah, do you believe they're out there?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, they were being reported!
	And again, I'm not pumping this book, Trends 2000, but that was the whole beginning of the book.
	We front-loaded it, With all these reports that were moving over the wire services of these rings that were stealing this stuff.
	What do you think, Gerald, would happen if a suitcase nuke went off near Wall Street or in Washington, D.C., I would presume the first two probable targets, right?
	Yeah, even if it's Chicago or Los Angeles or San Diego, it would have the same effect.
	Yeah, well, if you only have one bomb, you're going to use it where it's going to be.
	Yeah, right, right.
	So, probably Wall Street or Washington.
	Yeah.
	So, if that happened, if that did occur, would America collapse?
	It would probably financially collapse.
	It would cause panic.
	Look at the panic that just a couple of anthrax-laden letters caused.
	Yes, it would, because right now we're in a near-panic position with people wondering What's holding up this House of Cards economy that was built on fraud and deceit, greed and lies?
	So you layer on top of this another terrorist attack, and you have calamity.
	And by the way, Wall Street knows this.
	They all talk about it, but they don't talk about the extreme of where it can go.
	You know, look at the stupidity of what happened on July 5th.
	The stock market went up, what, 350-something points?
	Half a day.
	Half a day.
	Right, because there wasn't a terrorist attack on July 4th.
	They were out of their minds.
	Is that what you think it was?
	Everybody going, whew.
	That's what they were reporting.
	That's what the media reported.
	How can you report this stupid stuff?
	Well, it's already in the first couple of days of this week taking it back anyway.
	Of course.
	Oh, God.
	Uh, so, you know, if we know this, if you know this, then the terrorists know this.
	And if they do have, I don't know, one of these things, whether it be a bad germ or a bad bomb, then they hold in their hands the economic disintegration of the United States of America.
	Right?
	What happened on 9-11 will go down in history That's probably one of the most successful military attacks of modern time.
	No question.
	It brought down the symbols of the United States and the world's economy.
	Yes, to answer your question, it will bring down the economy further.
	It has already been successful.
	We saw it happen before our eyes.
	Regardless of all the huffing and puffing about getting tough on terrorism and smoking them out and on and on, They did their job, and they can do it again.
	And they know what to do.
	And that's why I say, if there's a revolution in this country, it could go into a reign of terror, because that McVeigh crowd, the paramilitary crowd, they know how to use this stuff.
	And you're not gonna get them.
	Listen, first of all, I don't even know who did the 9-11 attack.
	I mean, again, this is the case of the century, or maybe the next two centuries.
	And all I know is that they can't find out who did it to Joan Benet Ramsey and it happened in her house.
	They couldn't find Chandra Levy.
	I saw on television with hundreds and hundreds of police and dogs scouring the area to find her remains and they couldn't find it.
	And there it was, right over in the area where they had searched again and again.
	That was amazing.
	They don't know who did it to Chandra Levy.
	Read my lips, no new taxes.
	I promised to put Social Security in a lockbox.
	I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.
	I have a little problem believing in a lot of this stuff.
	I don't know who did it.
	Your confidence level is falling, huh?
	Well, you know, they put out a lot of good information to make me lose it.
	So when I say that a terrorist attack within the United States could happen and it won't be stopped, I think there's ample evidence to show that they can't.
	Remember that guy that they were hunting down in North Carolina?
	I forgot what he did.
	And he was up in the hills and mountains, yeah.
	Right, and I kept hearing, well, we have him surrounded.
	Where is this guy?
	I don't know.
	He's still having God.
	And that's like one guy.
	I know.
	Hold on, Gerald.
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	two thousand two the
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	the Yeah, there's a storm on the roof.
	Sunbeams in my head.
	Wrapped up in silence, off to get to bed.
	Can I be cold?
	My whole life's been just a prayer bed.
	And soon as my lights are on The space is a madhouse
	And the fields are deep gone My feet are getting old
	And the moon is dark Where am I going
	I've been out for too long You'll come to know
	When the bullet hits the bone You'll come to know
	When the bullet hits the bone You'll come to know
	I'm falling down the spiral To a destination unknown
	No cross messenger, all alone.
	Can't get no connection, can't get through, where are you?
	Well, the night is heavy on his guilty mind.
	Let's fall from the borderline Let man do
	Know damn well he has been cheated He lives out my memory
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time
	Tonight's program originally aired July 9, 2002.
	Good morning, everybody.
	My guest is Gerald Celente, one of our nation's top trend people.
	Actually, number one.
	Number one trend researcher in America.
	And so what he says carries some weight, and I'll tell you, it feels like A gigantic piece of lead hanging straight over my head.
	How about you?
	The bullet is his own.
	That's when you'll know.
	Good morning, everybody.
	We'll get back to Gerald Cilente directly.
	Gerald Cilente is my guest.
	His book, by the way, you can zip over to on my website.
	What ZZ gave Honey Boy, an unusual title, a true story about love, wisdom, and the soul of America.
	That is a very unusual.
	What ZZ gave Honey Boy, give me a brief rundown on that book, Gerald.
	Well, ZZ is my 86-year-old Italian aunt, and I put a human face on trends by listening to her.
	And she's been around, and she sees life the way it was and what it has become.
	And she calls me Honey Boy.
	And what inspired me to write the book, different than my other books, was that one day I was washing the dishes in her sink.
	She always prepares meals for me and she's telling me to sit down.
	I'm her guest.
	She can hardly walk, but you know, she's a very generous old woman.
	And as I'm washing the dishes, she said to me, you know, Gerald, I listened to the news all day yesterday.
	What a bunch of, you fill in the word, they must think we're all morons.
	And I saw these words coming from this kind old woman's face, and I realized the wisdom that so many of our elders have in this country, and how it's really pushed aside.
	Again, look at the media today with the moronic news, you know, aimed for the young audience.
	And I thought it's really important for us to understand that a generation is leaving that had their foot In the really, the ancient past in so many ways.
	You know, they were doing things in her little village in Italy the way they were doing in the medieval days.
	And now you fast forward just a short amount of time and it's, you know, genetic engineering, cloning, space travel.
	So this generation has a lot to offer, a lot to look at.
	And again, it begs the question, are we really better off today for all the progress that we've made Considering the values that we've lost.
	Well, there's another theory, and I'll run this by you, and this is kind of my theory, but I think that... How old was Zizi?
	Well, now she's 86.
	86 years of age.
	Okay, here's my theory.
	My theory is that every generation is pretty much the same.
	I remember my dad I absolutely hated the music that I listened to.
	He thought the world was going to hell in a handbasket.
	And now, contemporary modern music sucks.
	And I think the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
	And I think that it's God's way of leading us to Uh, welcoming death with open arms, Gerald.
	In other words, by the time we get to be in our seventies or eighties, we're so damn sick and tired of what's going on in the world, and the way things were, and the way they are now, that we say, God, take me.
	I'm ready to go.
	Get me the hell out of here.
	That's one way of looking at it.
	Well, yeah.
	But then there are the other realities, like we were mentioning about terrorism.
	We look at the breakup of the family.
	Look how long we are working.
	It wasn't like this before.
	Gigi said to me, and I asked her, what was so different about then and now?
	She said, back then people had so little, but they gave so much.
	And today they have so much and they give so little.
	And I don't paint the past in rose-colored glasses, you know.
	And there were hanging black people in this country when she was growing up.
	There were, yes.
	But there was a different sense of family and community.
	The country was a people's country.
	I have photos in the book.
	A big thing is about dignity.
	I have a photo of her.
	She worked as what they would call a garment worker today.
	She used to inspect nylon stockings at a place called Gotham Hosiery, down on 33rd Street in New York City.
	And it's 1933, and they're having... There's a photo of the banquet, the Christmas banquet, on December 23rd, that the company held for the employees.
	This is the height of the Depression, and you look at this photo, and these people are dressed to the nines.
	They look dignified.
	Today, you don't even get a turkey for Christmas.
	Matter of fact, you might get a pink slip.
	Well, yeah, that's right.
	Listen, I was a young person in the fifties.
	And I remember that you could leave your door open.
	In fact, I lived in Connecticut, New Jersey, around the Northeast all over, pretty much.
	And you could leave your door open.
	We did.
	We left our door open all the time.
	I mean, it never was closed.
	You could just go in and out of the screen door.
	You know, it just stayed open.
	Now, of course, that's unthinkable.
	And I see the trend in crime now is up again, shockingly, after declining for a few years.
	All of a sudden now, crime is once again on the increase.
	And that's another trend to look at, right?
	Well, again, you know, this is old news to us.
	In Trends 2000, we did a thing, Criminal Elements, and what we pointed out was that the rise in crime was again going to happen when the crime-prone teenager, young people, hit their crime-prone teen years.
	So it was only a temporary low Because of demographic changes and the temporary economic boom.
	So now, what you have is you have this massive group of people in that age group where they tend to commit the greatest crimes at the same time when the economy goes down.
	So, you could see it coming.
	So that will continue.
	As the economy tanks, crime will get worse.
	Crime will get worse.
	The United States is spending, back then it was spending $31 billion on prisons in 1992.
	I mean, you know, so this is, we call it, you know, the prison industrial complex.
	What about the war on drugs?
	This has to be one of the dumbest wars ever waged.
	Again, it's like the war on terror won't be won when they spend $250 billion or more fighting this losing battle.
	And this is another point that I make in my book with Zizi Gabe Honeyboy.
	Zizi smokes.
	She smokes like crazy.
	And I hate the smell of the smoke.
	So one day, you know, I'm complaining and she said, would you rather I smoke pot?
	And I said, at least you know you'd get high.
	It wouldn't kill you.
	And, and, you know, and I started looking at the numbers.
	But wait a minute, Zizi is how old?
	She's 86.
	86, okay, well.
	And, but the point that I'm making, Art, is I started looking at the numbers on who's getting, you know, on how many people are dying from cigarette smoking.
	Yes.
	And I think it's like 300, 450,000 people a year.
	They say.
	It's costing us like 300 billion dollars in medical costs.
	Yeah.
	Yet the prisons are filled with You know, people selling marijuana.
	And you know, what's going on here?
	Marijuana, you put all the hard drugs together, all of them, cocaine, heroin, you're talking about 5,000 people a year.
	So what's the sense?
	I don't understand.
	Well, I do, I do, I do.
	The power structure in America regards drugs with some reason as anti-productive.
	Anti-capitalistic.
	Anti-productive.
	In other words, get high, get lazy, don't go out, get a job, sit back, contemplate the nature of the world or your navel or whatever.
	But that's not productive, ultimately.
	That's not good for America.
	That's not good for the way our economy works if people get high and lazy.
	And that's why we have laws against it.
	What do you think?
	Is that true?
	Look, it may well be.
	You know, it may well be.
	But, you know, we're talking about You know, prisons, and we're talking about what's going on in society, and what we have is, then you could throw in alcohol on top of that one.
	That's killing 150,000 people a year, and it's costing an estimated $150 billion annually.
	Well, I'm just saying generally drugs are viewed as anti-capitalistic.
	Yeah, you're probably right.
	But you know, didn't they just, I think, decriminalize it in England today?
	Did they really?
	Yeah.
	I'm holding on to a story about the attempt to decriminalize up to three ounces in my own state of Nevada.
	I almost fell out of my chair when I read this.
	They've actually got enough signatures to get it on the ballot.
	I've got it here somewhere.
	Yeah, voters in Nevada, which up until last year are the nation's strictest marijuana law, will decide November whether to let adults legally possess small amounts of pot.
	Now, they're talking about up to three ounces of pot.
	You know, being able to legally possess here in Nevada, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw this.
	I cannot believe it.
	But here you go.
	Nevada, of all places.
	Yes, this war on drugs is a real loser.
	As I said, $250 billion a year spent, and it's just getting worse.
	Of all that we have discussed thus far, Gerald, what is your worst fear?
	My worst fear is...
	Another terrorist attack, I would say, is my worst fear, because I'm afraid that could throw the country into chaos.
	Well, I was mulling over this story on giving smallpox vaccinations to the government and then ultimately to the entire population.
	I was saying, well, you know, they wouldn't be doing that unless they didn't know something, right?
	Maybe yes and maybe no.
	You know, could be business, too.
	Think so?
	Well, I remember the old swine flu vaccines.
	You know, who knows?
	But again, you know, read my lips, no new taxes, I didn't have sex with that woman by any means.
	On and on.
	When you began to conclude all of this stuff, You sort of withdrew in a way, didn't you?
	People are always accusing me of being a reckless, and you did become reckless.
	Yeah, I did too.
	I moved up to upstate New York, you know, back in the late 70s, when I realized, I can see, you can't predict the future, but you can see the face of it.
	And I became so despondent by seeing these terrible trends developing, and on the other hand, people becoming angry with me.
	When I would talk about them, they call me a gloom and doom or a pessimist.
	Do you understand why people, you know, get angry?
	I mean, after all, you're talking about their lives.
	You're talking about their future and the future of their children.
	And these are things that are pretty close to home for everybody.
	And when you start talking about trends the way you have been, sure, you really tick some people off, no question about it.
	Yeah.
	That's how they respond.
	are fearful, in order to handle that, their brain converts that fear to anger.
	Precisely, and it's the old shoot the messenger story.
	I know.
	So yeah, I did.
	I withdrew for a number of years, and then I finally realized that, you know, I have nothing to do with this.
	I'm just living my life, and things are going to go on their way, with or without me.
	So then I decided, well, enough of that.
	But it was very, and people still ask me, how could I look at all this stuff and still be cheerful and live a good life?
	Yes, good question.
	And so, how do you handle it?
	Well, the way I handle it is I try to improve who I am.
	I try to make myself a better person, and I try to live by my Aunt Gizzy's golden rule, which is the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
	So each day I really do try to be a better person.
	And by feeling some fulfillment in that, I feel there's more of a value to life.
	Do I do it all the time?
	No.
	Do I fall back?
	Often.
	But I keep trying to move ahead.
	There are people who believe, and I might even be one of them, that we're on the verge of discovering Entire new realities, new aspects of physics in the world that we did not understand previously, perhaps even other dimensions, perhaps getting in touch with other dimensions, all kinds of things.
	When you talk to the real brains, the theoretical physicists in this country, and I talk to them, they have some very incredibly hopeful things to say about what might be possible.
	And there could be an entire revolution that would come from some discovery of, oh, I don't know, proof of life after death or another dimension where things are different and we can interact and change our entire world, that sort of thing?
	Well, you know, a lot of it also has to do with ancient wisdom.
	There's so much that we don't know.
	And I also believe that this is the end of an age.
	You know, there was a lot of talk about the Y2K, remember Armageddon scenario.
	Well, we did go into a new millennium and a lot has changed.
	And I think we're ending the dark age of modern times.
	And that's what the Industrial Revolution will be looked upon.
	As per that report you read before about the destruction of the planet.
	It was a time when economic needs had been put before human needs.
	Materialism before spirituality.
	And I think we're going into a renaissance.
	There is a spiritual renaissance underway.
	Now, whether that revolution will occur before something awful happens, I think is, you know, I wouldn't put my money on that.
	Well, but that's what I'm saying, is that the possibility of a renaissance Could bring about a new way of thinking and finding these other dimensions, these alternative ways that we are restricted from looking at now because of our institutionalized thinking.
	And as that institutionalized thinking is breaking down, it's interesting that the things we believed in are no longer working for us.
	That may force us in a new direction.
	Well, it may, but you know, it's like in the market.
	I had to bet my money.
	I'm afraid that I'd be betting on the old institution holding out longer than the new Renaissance will suddenly happen and save our butts.
	It just isn't going to happen.
	I think the old ways are going to prevail long enough to kill us.
	That may well be, and I don't know, but the only hope that I have Is that when people change, everything will change.
	And if we start treating each other the way we want to be treated, personally, I think then we won't be in this abusive state that we're in, where we accept these kind of things in life that are really bringing the planet down.
	Speaking of bringing the planet down, we are now six billion and counting.
	There are six billion Six billion people on the planet.
	Six billion people.
	And I think that number is forecast to what?
	Double?
	And then?
	I think nine billion by about 2040.
	Yeah, that's real soon.
	Yep.
	Now, what's that going to mean?
	I think also, I think there's going to be what we're forecasting as a new black plague.
	There's going to be a thinning out of the society.
	A culling?
	Yes.
	And probably from what we call immune system breakdown.
	We're being bombarded in a thousand different ways, in combinations of things that we have no idea what's doing to us.
	I mean, look at all the people with Alzheimer's disease, the cancer rates, and on and on and on.
	And this hype about, you know, how we're living longer.
	The reason we're living longer, you talk to any medical researcher worth anything, it has to do with the difference in sanitary conditions and food handling.
	And that accounts for about 80% of it.
	For all of these great breakthroughs in medicine, there's not one drug on the market that cures a chronic degenerative disease.
	So I think there's going to be a massive immune system breakdown as the climate changes, as the chemicals, these witches' brews of chemicals and their unknown Uh, potions start really wrecking havoc on society.
	And you acknowledge the climate is in the middle of a change now?
	Oh, I think everybody, you know, pretty much agrees with that.
	Yeah, so do I. Except, you know, these lobbyists, you know, with their standard formulas, you know, of, we need more proof.
	Alright, well listen, hold on, when we get back we're going to open the phone lines and this should be extremely Extremely interesting with Gerald Celente.
	You've heard now what he's had to say and where he thinks we're going.
	You may wish to agree or perhaps disagree with vigor.
	Either way, it should be interesting because we will open the phone lines.
	Mr. Cheer, Gerald Celente is my guest.
	I'm Art Bell.
	And from the high desert, this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to ArcBell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 9th, 2002.
	2002.
	Once upon a time, once when you were mine I remember you smiling, reflected in your eyes
	I wonder where you are, I wonder if you think about me Once upon a time, in your wildest dreams
	Once the world was you That feels the brand new day, we couldn't tear ourselves away.
	Like the morning dew that briefs the brand new day We couldn't tear ourselves away
	I wonder if you care I wonder if you still remember
	You're listening to ArcBell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 9, 2002.
	Well, no question about it, this has been pretty heavy stuff from Gerald Celente, and if you have a question for him, or a comment, then we're going to open up the lines right now.
	Now those are the numbers, you know how to reach us, and in a moment we'll turn it all
	over to you and Gerald.
	Here once again, Gerald Cilente.
	And, Gerald, is there anything you really want to get out to the audience before I begin to take calls here?
	I think we could take calls now.
	But I agree with the gold, by the way.
	That was one of our recommendations in Trends Journal.
	Oh, yeah.
	In the winter edition in December of 2001, when gold was at $2.75, we recommended that You consider buying gold at least 10% of your portfolio, and we still believe that.
	A little safety margin, huh?
	Yep.
	And people ask us about silver.
	We're not as bullish on silver because it has, of course, a production usage more than gold.
	Gold has that intrinsic value of being used as a currency.
	But if things really get nasty, then silver may be a good investment as well.
	All right, here we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on there with Gerald Solente.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Bruce in Toronto.
	Just before I ask your guest a question, could I ask you a couple of quick questions about your bumper music?
	No, not really.
	Well, I don't know.
	I have one question about my bumper music.
	Okay, what is that instrumental track?
	It's got like a pulsating beat.
	I don't know, stop.
	I'm not going to recognize it from that, I guarantee you.
	First of all, I wanted to say that back in the 60s, we had an expression, tell it like it is, and from my point of view, your guest is doing exactly that.
	And I just was wondering how he goes about doing his research.
	And also, are there institutions that buy this research?
	Or how is it disseminated?
	And you know.
	When we say that current events form future trends, We don't use inside information.
	We read a lot of newspapers.
	For instance, you can read the New York Times, USA Today, the Financial Times, and you'll get a good enough take on what's going on.
	The secret is to read with a purpose, and that means you're looking for trend information within it, and you have to discard as you're reading the spin.
	So they may use words like militant, right-wing, left-wing, terrorist.
	And you can see how they're skewing the story.
	We try to just find whatever facts are there, if they are facts.
	And you can start seeing the progression take place.
	The other trick is that you have to stay tuned all the time.
	We say that if you miss three days of news, and I'm talking about intense news, then it's like walking in on the second act of a play.
	It is, yes.
	So, that's what all we do, but we do it with political atheists.
	We don't look at the world for the way we want it to be, or issues and events.
	We look at them for what they are.
	Well, now, are you really a political atheist?
	Well, I have my own beliefs and what I would like to see.
	Then how can you be sure that that doesn't color?
	I do the best I can, but I really try so hard not to put what I like or dislike about the information.
	I try not to spin it.
	And when you turn on the television, you'll see from the left, from the right, you know, they're actually from the same camp, and you have people arguing what they like and what they don't like.
	I don't do that.
	Really, it's not what I like or what I don't like.
	I don't like to see these ugly things happening.
	But that's what it is.
	So, that's really a big key in it, by the way.
	Is try not to put an ideological spin into it, or a special interest twist.
	That's hard.
	That's hard, because everybody has their own beliefs.
	Alright, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Slavey, hello.
	Oh, I didn't push the button.
	Oh, I'm sorry, you also asked how to get the information.
	Oh, okay.
	And that, we're not funded by anyone, we sell, I'm a publisher, we don't have books out, and we have the Trends Journal.
	And, um, that's how we put the information out.
	Well, do corporations, uh, do, uh, you know, do they read that journal?
	I mean, do they... Oh, sure.
	Yeah, they, they subscribe to the journal.
	Many, many people do that, you know.
	It's a quite extensive group of people that... All right, now, now, west of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Celente.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Debbie.
	I have called before.
	I'm just down the road from your home ranch here, up in Medford.
	Oh, Medford.
	Oh, that's way up the road, huh?
	Not that far.
	Table Rock is just a hoot and holler over, basically.
	Anyway, a friend of mine and I are considering going into a business buying some acreage.
	My purpose is to get me a goat and some chickens as well to keep my costs down.
	It's basically a boarding stable.
	Help make all the payments and everything.
	And I was wondering if that would be a good idea.
	Sounds good to me.
	If you like that's what you want to do.
	Oh, it'd be great.
	Sounds great.
	Yeah.
	Also, you might want to look into Mr. Ernest Collenbach's book, Ecotopia, has a pretty sane way of living on the earth sometimes.
	All right.
	So you don't discourage anybody from plunging into a new business.
	You don't say the atmosphere is so bad that You just throw up your hands and give up and don't?
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	Again, you have to keep on living.
	And you know, as I said, I'm trying to boogie until the lights go out.
	You know, I try to enjoy every day and every moment.
	So yeah, just live your dream.
	You know, whatever's going to happen is going to happen with or without you, and nothing might happen.
	That's the other thing.
	You know, we could be in this stalemate kind of situation where It's a stagnation kind of feeling of life.
	I don't know if I told you this before, but this was a really interesting story, and I thought it was very telling.
	And you're right, you have to live your life.
	You know, you have to boogie until the lights go out, or put another way.
	I had a lady who called me once.
	It was so cool.
	She said, Art, you know, we had been discussing, you know, what if a big six-mile rock hits the Earth and wipes out the entire Earth, virtually sterilizing the Earth the way it did with the dinosaurs?
	And what if we saw this rock on the way, and we had like three or six months to go, and the world would end?
	And I forget why, but we have that discussion a lot on this program.
	Anyway, she said, I wondered what the credit card companies would do.
	And so she was a major cardholder.
	And I forget, MasterCard or Visa or one of them.
	And she called the credit card company after the show the next day and said, what would you do?
	If the world was going to end if it was forecast in three months.
	And she actually got put on hold and she went up the line in the credit card company.
	The people getting the question thought it was so interesting that they kept passing the buck up the line until she actually got hold of, you know, one of the big executives at the credit card company.
	And he gave her an answer.
	He said, well, What we would do, is we would let everybody out there run their cards right up to the limit.
	Because we'd have nothing, absolutely nothing to lose.
	If the bolide hit and ended all life, well then, case so raw, right?
	But if on the other hand, at the last minute, it would miss, we'd be rich!
	And so that's kind of boogie-to-the-lights-go-out philosophy, isn't it?
	Well, that's actually, that's the double boogie.
	That's the capitalist boogie-to-the-lights-go-out.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Gerald Filante.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from Great Bend, Kansas.
	Okay.
	KVGB AM.
	Yes, sir.
	And I've enjoyed what you and Gerald have been talking about immensely.
	I enjoy your program.
	Thank you.
	Very diverse subject matter.
	But anyway, I'd like to make a comment and then just have him make a comment on it.
	Yeah, sure.
	And I've noticed ever since the 70s, you know, how the movie culture and the drug culture has really affected our society.
	I've seen, you know, like immorality go way up and, you know, a bond for the family go way down.
	During this time, and political correctness has a lot to do with it, and I'd like to hear Gerald's opinion on that.
	Well, there's no question that, you know, the mood of the nation is reflected in the pop culture, and it's pretty dismal right now.
	It's probably the worst I've ever seen it, and there is a correlation, but that's only part of it.
	Then there's the other culture, and it's, you know, the culture of greed, which I think Really surpasses the power of the pop culture.
	Whether or not one forces the other, I don't know.
	If it's a chicken and an egg basket.
	But my thinking is that, you know, we hear the parables and the metaphors of the golden calf going back in time immemorial.
	So I don't think pop culture had anything to do with it back then.
	And I think that's the biggest part of our downfall right now.
	Uh, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gerald Sletty.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Dr. Daniel again.
	Okay, well, you're naive.
	Don't give me a last name here, doctor.
	No, that's not my last name.
	I see, all right.
	I'm your naive technologist with a number eight.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Oh, no, no, you can't call twice in the show.
	See, you just did yourself in.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Sletty.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Yes, I'd like to ask the guest, he seemed to have left out the military threat, the open one, like from people like Red China and those other countries that are still communist and still declare that we're their number one enemy.
	Okay, there's China, there's Cuba, there's North Korea, and then there's the terror mongers, but okay, you want to...
	You want to talk about China?
	Or even Russia, for that matter?
	Well, you know, they're minimal threats compared to who we are and what we have.
	We have a military budget of around $400 billion.
	I think China is around $17-20 billion now.
	Maybe $35 billion, depending on whose number you look at.
	And Russia, of course, is probably down under $10 billion.
	I mean, they're no match and I always get a kick out of, you know, like...
	You know, North Korea has missiles.
	So what?
	We've got 30,000 of them.
	We could make the country dust in six seconds.
	Well, the ones that would worry about that would be the South Koreans.
	But, you know, again, they're not military threats.
	Although, they're economic threats.
	Now, let's say that India and Pakistan go to war over Kashmir, for example.
	Well, we might manage to somehow stay out of it, and they nuke each other, but again, Our economy in that situation, Gerald.
	Oh, this is what I said earlier about, you know, the old trends leading to a new world war.
	And talking about India and Pakistan, there's no question about it.
	But as far as, you know, the old communist threat, you know, it's just not there right now.
	And as a matter of fact, I would make the case, and I know people really hate to hear this, is that the spending on military That this country has embarked on over the last, well, since the end of World War II, is one of the major reasons why our standard of living continues to decline and we're working so hard.
	Because the money can only go to so many different places and too much of it, as I see it, goes there.
	And I use this wonderful quote by General Eisenhower, which I'm sure you're familiar with, warning the nation of the military-industrial complex taking over the country.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Celente.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I'm listening to KIXW, Clear Channel in Hesperia, California.
	Actually, it's located in Victorville.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Welcome.
	And hello, Art.
	Hello, Mr. Celente.
	Hello.
	I have a question.
	Were you aware, you probably are, that Ford's first engine was designed to be run on hemp oil?
	And this is with reference to your discussion of alternative economies?
	No, I didn't know that.
	Have you heard of the book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes?
	Yes, I have.
	Okay, and the cabal of DuPont and Hearst and others when DuPont wanted to patent nylon and the best linen in the world was made from hemp?
	Well, actually, there was a Wall Street Journal story there that said that if hemp was legalized in the U.S.
	in all its forms, the U.S.
	government would realize a half a trillion dollars, that's with a T, every year, in $500 billion in tax revenue from hemp.
	Wow, I didn't know that.
	You didn't know that?
	Isn't that amazing?
	Yeah, that is.
	$500 billion.
	Wow.
	And this is in the Wall Street Journal?
	It was, yes.
	Of course, that would be Well, that would be all the various uses of hemp, and there are many other than the production of marijuana.
	Many, many.
	In fact, in fact, once, I think early in the war, Second World War, there was a hemp for victory thing, right?
	Where we had to really start manufacturing hemp.
	We really needed it.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Gerald Slade.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm Chris from Manor, Ohio.
	Okay, Chris.
	Hey, I got a question for Gerald.
	What would the average American have to do to prepare himself for the future, the negative future that he sees for us?
	That's a real good question.
	Well, one thing, you know, and of course I'm not pumping the advertiser, we really do recommend owning gold, at least 10% of your assets.
	And the other things are, get out of debt.
	You know, don't take on any more debt and try to embrace as much of this voluntary simplicity as possible.
	If you have the wherewithal to, you know, have one of the parents stay home, you know, that's always a great thing, too, because we also believe that, I mean, I don't know how I survived the education system, and I think, you know, home education today with computer technology, Is going to be more and more the wave of the future.
	And that, you know, programming these kids with this institutionalized education, to me, is brain-deadening.
	So those are the kind of things I would do.
	So you recommend homeschooling?
	I really do, yeah.
	If one of the parents could stay home, sure.
	Well, both parents.
	Actually, I'm in that boat, except for the gold part.
	No doubt.
	Good for you.
	You know, I'm very fortunate in that aspect.
	I like your ideas.
	I agree with them 100%.
	Well, thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	I agree that if everything goes to hell in a handbasket, being out of debt at least puts you in a semi-self-reliant mode, right?
	That's exactly it.
	And you know, one of the most crazy things was that You know, after 9-11, you know, these politicians and these automobile companies putting these... telling people to go out and spend!
	Oh, yeah.
	You know what they had in their minds?
	They were going to have a job!
	Well, that's what they needed to have happen for the economy.
	Oh, I realize that.
	You know, people weren't flying, people weren't going anywhere, people weren't spending any money.
	They were pulling in their horns, and they were scared, and that's still going on.
	And there's nothing wrong with the economy contracting.
	To us, it's an insane belief that economies continue to have to grow all the time.
	There has to be points of pause, pullback, just like in the organic process of life.
	We're not always moving ahead.
	We're not always growing.
	And to force it, we think on this steroid type of of behavior, of buying and going into debt and pumping it
	up with fake money, just like steroids comes back to haunt you
	later on.
	So Greenspan can't do it, right?
	And yet, hold the answer to that question.
	We'll be right back.
	We're already here at the bottom of the hour with Gerald Solete.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 9th, 2002.
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	Lightning flashed across the sky the night he taught me how to fly.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 9th, 2002.
	Sometimes listening to a lot of this puts you in a Leila kind of mood.
	Leila kind of mood.
	Just sort of laid back and make the best of it you can, right?
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	The trend man, Gerald Celente, is here and we're taking your calls.
	will continue to do exactly that moment all right here on friday is my guest uh... and actually he
	is now uh...
	altered three books and uh... they are trend tracking
	the system to profit from today's trans was will in general question in a moment
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	first century and what does he gave honey boy
	That's our Gerald Honey Boy.
	A true story about love, wisdom, and the soul of America, and I think that the first two books ...would cause me to ask a question.
	With the trends the way they are today, Gerald, which are not great, as we've heard tonight, there inevitably in our society has got to be a way to profit from the doom-gloom and troubles of others.
	How do you do that?
	I don't know.
	I really hate to think of it doing it like that.
	Well, I mean, that's what it comes down to.
	How do you profit from today's trends?
	Well, today's trend is gold.
	That's one of them.
	That's one.
	That's one.
	And the other thing, you're going to see more and more of survival type of... kind of like in the late 80s.
	Remember that survival movement that went on?
	Well, how about investing in casket makers, for example?
	Or body bag companies.
	Yeah, there you go.
	He said there's going to be more of that survival thing, and also health.
	Anything having to do with health is going to be a big one.
	Not only physical, but emotional and spiritual as well.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Back to phones.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Gerald Slade.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	This is Biddy.
	I've called through WOKV in Jacksonville, Florida.
	Yes, sir.
	And you're talking about a revolution coming about somewhat to change everything.
	Yep.
	You also tapped a minute on decriminalization of marijuana.
	Right.
	I was wanting to bring those together all the way back from the American Revolution when that was all we had.
	We couldn't get anything else from Britain.
	It was required for every American family to grow a certain amount of hemp to get through.
	If we can bring that together, I know it will take millions of dollars out of the hands of the big cigarette makers and tobacco companies and even people like the Anheusers and everybody out there.
	But that, I mean, if you do that, then who else is going to be left to bring up the age-old way of growing hemp than the Americans themselves, which grow in their backyards every day anyway?
	Well, they don't grow in their backyards that much anymore, because when you get busted, it's really heavy duty.
	And by the way, we've also heard that the criminal industrial complex, of the 1.5 million people that are arrested for drug-related crimes, I mean, that's how many they arrest each year?
	450,000 drug offenders are doing time in jail.
	And 80% of those drug arrests are for possession, and 44% involve marijuana.
	And then when you talk about the racial issues, according to Human Rights Watch, 63% of drug offenders doing time in jail are black, even though there are five times more white folks doing drugs.
	So this thing spreads into a lot of different areas.
	And for this policy to continue to go on like this, well, you know, it's no more insane than so many other policies.
	Well, again, I'm shocked by what my own state is doing, which was always so tough on marijuana.
	Nevada's really an odd state in a lot of ways.
	It has legalized gambling.
	It has legalized prostitution, from which there does not flow trouble.
	I mean, it runs very smoothly.
	And now they're talking about legalizing pot.
	Never thought they'd do it, but here they are.
	And do you think that there will be some sort of revolution, whether it's here in Nevada or somewhere else, some state that will essentially legalize it and say to the feds, bug off, or worse, and begin to prove that it's not the boogeyman they say it is?
	Well, the proof is already there that it's not the boogeyman that they say it is.
	And I think you are going to see it happen, maybe a place like New Mexico.
	Could be one of those places as well, or Nevada.
	And it's going to happen, it's just a matter of time.
	Alright.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gerald Sollete.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Suzanne from WOND, 1400, a little town of Appseekin, right outside of Atlantic City, New Jersey.
	Welcome.
	And it's really an honor to speak with you.
	I want to thank you and Gerald.
	Thank you for being so articulate and such fine gentlemen.
	And I feel as though I'm talking with comrades of the spirit.
	I also have grown up.
	I'm 54.
	I've been practicing I've been practicing Buddhism, Nichiren Buddhism, Soka Gakkai Buddhism for 33 years.
	And I heard Art mention Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, which I have been practicing for 33 years.
	And with the time machine that you're so involved with in your Curiosity, and the last couple of shows with that, and then with the A new millennium of talking about the technology as far as the Aquarian Age coming in.
	Do you have a specific question?
	Yes, as far as I just wanted to thank you more than anything for all your articulate kind of communication with people and how much I've been learning.
	I just wanted to plant a seed of hope.
	In people's hearts, what we're talking about in the way of technology and prophecy, if you pull out a Quicksilver messenger service, one of the cries of the late 60s was, Pride of Man, and it's very prophetic if you listen to the words, but not to have a gloom, because I feel as though You know, with the Aquarian Angel technology... Alright, I'll tell you what, I'm going to stop you right there, and I'm going to turn it for a second to religion and spiritualism, which is really where you were headed.
	Gerald, right now, there's a clash of religions.
	I mean, all the politicians don't say it.
	President Bush says, you know, our fight is not with the Muslim world.
	Wrong.
	It really is.
	They are after us.
	Their fight is with us.
	They're making it a fight.
	And we may be doing that with some of our foreign policy, which you have suggested, but nevertheless, it's a clash of religions.
	So, there's a trend for you.
	Where's religion going?
	Well, we see a new millennium religion forming.
	Really?
	Yes, we do.
	And we think it's going to be of such a magnitude that it will rival The great religions, whether they be Islam, Christianity, or any of the religions.
	And we're seeing it loosely formed with the so-called quest for spirituality.
	Yes.
	And you're also, you know, ironically... But it doesn't have a center, you know, I mean... That's what I'm saying, it's new right now.
	Christians had Christ, Buddhists had Buddha, and these new-agers are going to need some focal point.
	Possibly.
	But what we're saying is these are the signs that we believe we're going to see a new religion.
	You know, ironically, the last caller mentioned this being the Aquarian Age, the last age being the age of Pisces.
	And Pisces was the fish.
	Christianity was the symbol of Christianity.
	And look what's happening to the Catholic Church.
	And look what happened, for instance, even the assault on the Church of the Nativity.
	In Bethlehem, hardly a ripple.
	And we think that this could be the beginning of a great unraveling of Christianity, and something to take its place that really adheres to the principles that may have been lost in the institutionalization of it.
	So that's what we're talking about.
	A new religion.
	A new religion, a new millennium religion.
	That's something to think about.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gerald Slade.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	This is Charlie.
	I'm an ex-Connecticut Yankee who retired in the Ormond Beach part of Florida.
	I've personally been in the stock market for 33 years.
	Someone had retired at 35 or whatever it's worth, and my dad went to that same Wharton Business School, where I refer to as Grouper Lip Greenspan.
	I just want to ask one question.
	I have a scenario of what has happened in the stock market, and I want to see.
	I think Gerald has his hand on the pulse very accurately, but no one, I think, has really brought up what has initiated, or what has publicly initiated, the turnaround in the stock market.
	First of all, my scenario is this.
	This is a renaissance time in the stock market.
	It started a few years back.
	When over 60% of this country, a lot of novices, entered into the stock market into mutual funds.
	So many of them out there available.
	Now, Mr. Greenspan, so many people speak of the bubble in the economy and in the stock market.
	I say there's always been a bubble.
	There's always been investors, a lot of them, Elderly women, widows, in tennis shoes, read the National Enquirer.
	There's always been that bubble.
	But in recent times, with the mutual funds becoming very, very popular, so many people's 401Ks and their retirement systems, big business retirement systems, each one of these people went to work every single day.
	When they got their paycheck, there was a portion of their paycheck taken out for this retirement system for the future.
	Now, there is no bubble as long as these people go to work every single day, and proportionally taken out of their paycheck is this mutual fund-invested retirement system.
	Now, what I believe has happened is, historically, there has never been six interest rate increases
	in one year in the stock market.
	Mr. Greenspan, I thought possibly it may be early signs of senility at first, but I believe
	that when he turned that around the next year, lowering the rate nine times in one year,
	i have questions and some of those have already been answered by the democrats
	They have come out, and it was reported months ago now, that Mr. Greenspan, originally in Treasury bills and conservative investments, actually was not.
	And he has done remarkably well in the stock market, as anyone, I guess, could, if they held that magic wand in their hand.
	So, it comes down to this.
	My scenario is this.
	There has been exposés on TV numerous times about the mafia, and I'm part Italian, the mafia entering into the stock market, the smaller stock market brokerages, with intimidation.
	I personally believe they have made it into the stock market.
	All right, all right, I get that.
	You want to get my blood to boil, this is one of them.
	All right, go ahead.
	No, it has nothing to do with it.
	First of all, I agree with the scenario about the 401Ks and the mutual funds and how that pushed the market higher.
	And also, of course, let's not forget, the Internet technology was real.
	I mean, you know, in 1995, we didn't know what the words portal meant.
	And about a couple of million people were online.
	And there was a great rush of spending money to build businesses with an IT, internet technology infrastructure.
	So that juiced the economy, no question.
	But then it was over-speculation.
	The real criminals are these stock brokerage firms with their multi-million dollar touts out there that are telling people they're putting out buy orders and buy orders while they're selling.
	That's where the real criminal activity is.
	And that's what happened here in New York with Merrill Lynch.
	You know, this pump-and-dump, as they call it.
	You know, to blame it on the Mafia, I mean, that's small potatoes.
	Ken Lay, Enron, this guy, Ebbers.
	Yeah, those are two good Italians.
	You know, this thing goes really deep and wide.
	It's within every company.
	And what's happened is, now you cannot cover up the two facts.
	Number one fact, Stocks are still overvalued on average about 40 times, and the second fact is, now they're going to have to be more transparent in their profit and loss statements, and company after company is going to look more like Kmart, Lucent, Xerox, and the rest of them.
	Well, Greenspan has gone about as far as he can go.
	Oh yeah, that's over.
	And again, remember the magic wand is out of juice.
	Exactly.
	That's not going to save us, although you've got to give Greenspan some credit.
	He sure did juggle pretty well for quite a while.
	Well, here's why we're saying the Dow could go down to 7,000.
	In 1998, the economy was moving ahead at 3.5%.
	Yes.
	In August of that year, the market started to unravel.
	The Russian ruble collapsed.
	A thing called long-term capital management, a derivative fund.
	Remember that one?
	They bailed it out.
	You bet.
	Then they started lowering interest rates three times.
	In the face of a booming economy, that's what set the bubble for today.
	And that's why we're saying we're going back to 1998 Dow levels.
	That's when the correction should have happened.
	We call that capitalism for cowards.
	They shouldn't have lowered interest rates.
	They never lower interest rates in the face of a booming economy.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air with Gerald Saletti.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art?
	Yes?
	Yep.
	Hey, I got one statement and then a question for Gerard, is it?
	Yes, Gerald.
	Gerald Cilante, sir.
	Gerald?
	Yes.
	The first statement is, since I haven't talked to you in quite a while, I'm glad you're back.
	When you retired, I gave it two weeks and turned your station off.
	I'm glad you're back.
	What is your question, sir?
	My question is, if you made a statement earlier from a previous caller, What to do in a time like this, and you suggested gold.
	What about the guy that has to live week to week?
	Has a mortgage, and he can't invest in the stock market or gold.
	What do you perceive for those people?
	Because I consider them more average than... Oh yeah, you know, they are the average.
	You're right.
	The thing to do is to cut debt.
	That's your biggest thing.
	You know, stop going out and buying stuff that you don't need.
	Wait a minute, hold on.
	Slow down, Gerald.
	Don't slow down.
	Look, I've got a mortgage.
	You know?
	I mean, it's like week to week.
	The guy makes his mortgage payments.
	He might have another 10, 15 years to go on his mortgage.
	He's not really gonna get out of debt.
	It's not gonna happen.
	Week to week.
	That's what he's talking about.
	What's gonna happen to the people?
	They're gonna be hurting.
	You know, there's no question.
	You have your insurance bills, your medical payments.
	It's going to be tough.
	And unless this mentality turns around and what with the government is
	going as i said people want to keep building the military not yourself out
	build it but the money has to come from someplace we're all going to
	suffer the standard of living is going to continue to decline
	in this type of economy do you think our standard of living has in fact on uh... on
	the whole declined i do
	because we're all working longer and harder than ever before
	We're working nine full work weeks longer than the Europeans.
	And you know, people, Americans, don't travel a lot.
	They still think it's the end of World War II, and they want Hershey bars and nylon stockings over there.
	These people are living in a lap of luxury.
	When something happens to them, they get benefits.
	And they say, oh, it's a socialistic country.
	Well, guess what?
	We pay taxes here, and we get nothing.
	We get nothing compared to what other countries are getting.
	We're still living with this myth that we're number one.
	We're not number one.
	We're number one in crime.
	We're number one in defense spending.
	We're, I think, number 27 in longevity.
	We're about 37th in education.
	Again, we're working nine full work weeks longer.
	No, the standard of living will continue to decline if we go on the path we're on.
	And that poor, the poor people, the average people living from paycheck to paycheck are going to get hit the hardest.
	They can't go out and buy, you know, a nice golden parachute?
	No.
	No, they're literally week to week, and I've been there in my lifetime.
	I know, and I have too.
	So, those are the first people, the first casualties, and you're talking about, you're really talking about the great middle class here.
	That's right.
	Do you know what they call it?
	Do you know what they call a poverty level in this country for a family of three?
	I think it's like $15,300.
	Who came up with that number?
	I don't know.
	That's stupid, right?
	I mean, you can't... So there are a lot of people that are living on the edges right now, and it's going to get worse.
	Yep.
	Alright, Gerald, I very, very, very much appreciate your being here tonight.
	We're out of show, out of time.
	New book, what's easy, Gabe?
	Homeboy.
	Honey Boy.
	Honey Boy to the South, bro.
	That's right.
	Ha ha ha.
	True story about love, wisdom, and the soul of America.
	Honey Boy.
	Well, Honey Boy, gotta go, and we'll do this again, because it's been a blast.
	Thank you so much.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Honey Boy.
	Well, all right.
	That's it for tonight from the high desert, where today is high.
	Yesterday is high, actually.
	It was 118 degrees.
	Think about that, folks.
	118 degrees.
	Check with me tonight.
	We'll see if we break any new records.

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