John Cogan presents a radical theory: a six-mile-wide asteroid struck Earth 10,500 years ago in the North Atlantic, triggering tsunamis, volcanic ash, and a 20°F temperature spike, nearly wiping out humanity—70% of megafauna vanished. Surviving humans, outside the death cloud’s path, shrank in size and brain capacity, with Cro-Magnon skeletons (6’+ tall) predating the event. Cogan argues four civilizations emerged independently around 5,000 years later from remnants of a lost maritime culture, citing Atlantis’s Azores connection and Plato’s timeline. Mainstream science dismisses his claims due to lack of iridium deposits, but he counters with geophysical evidence and suppressed alternative research. The episode suggests Earth’s history may be far more violent—and humanity’s origins far more fragile—than conventional narratives admit. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, let's look around the world tonight, shall we?
It all happened before a House panel today.
WorldCom execs clashed with former auditors, and I'm sure it was sort of like, he did it.
Oh, he did it.
He did it.
You know, that sort of thing, right?
Actually, WorldCom chairman Bert Roberts called auditor Arthur Anderson's failure to uncover the irregularities inconceivable.
However, most of those who could stand today took fit against self-incrimination.
So we don't know a whole lot.
You've got to get through these guys who say, you know, it's, well, we do have that constitution, right?
The West is on fire.
And it's just, it's the change in our weather, and we're getting a pretty big change here, too.
Now, I know it is July, at least for early part of it, but here it was 113 today out at Lake Mead, about 120.
Yeah, that's pretty warm.
113 here, 120 there, probably about 127 in Death Valley, I would bet, if not closer to 130.
Pretty warm out here.
In Santa Clarita, California, embers from 150-acre wildfire torched a home two blocks from the firefront, damaged two others before firefighters could actually do anything about it.
The fires, you know, they're all across the western U.S. We're on fire.
And the reason we're on fire is because we're hot and we're dry and we haven't had the kind of rains, the kind of monsoon season yet that we should be having here.
Am I surprised?
No.
Am I surprised by the ridiculously high temperatures?
With flood warnings out and more rain looming, Governor Rick Perry said today in Texas he expects losses from the deadly flooding to be near a billion dollars.
A billion dollars.
Once all these floodwaters recede, we'll see what the impact is, he said.
But it's going to be substantial.
More than 30 inches of rain have fallen in the past week, sending streams and rivers pouring right out over their banks.
So you see, rain is generally where it ought not be and not where it ought be.
High temperatures are prevailing, on average higher, and of course here in the desert where we always experience the upper limit anyway, it's going to be perhaps all the more dangerous.
And if it gets too hot, it will become not livable.
And in some areas, if they get too wet, it becomes not livable.
In fact, let's talk about it a little bit, shall we?
It's a big story that's going to be released.
You're going to be hearing a lot about it today on the news in the Eastern time zones.
In other words, tomorrow.
This is a story that's going to be released tomorrow.
We get it from the observer, the London Observer, of course.
Earth's population will be forced to colonize two planets within 50 years if natural resources continue to be exploited at the current rate.
According to a report out this week, a study by the World Wildlife Fund to be released Tuesday warns the human race is plundering the planet at a pace that outstrips its capacity to support life.
Now, these are very, very serious words.
Very serious words.
The human race is plundering the planet at a pace that outstrips its capacity to support life.
And if we don't do anything and continue to consume at present levels, in 50 years, the human race will either have to colonize two additional planets or else.
In a damning condemnation of Western society's high consumption levels, it adds the extra planets, the equivalent size of Earth, will be required by the year 2050 as existing resources are exhausted.
The report based on scientific data from across the world reveals that more than a third of the natural world has now been destroyed by humans over the past three decades.
Now, those words too need to sink in a little bit.
All right, think about it really hard.
More than a third of the natural world has been destroyed by humans over the past three decades.
Using the image of the need for mankind to colonize space as a stark illustration of the problems facing Earth, the report warns that even consumption rates are dramatically and rapidly lower, the planet will no longer be able to sustain its growing population.
Experts say the seas, our oceans, will become emptied of fish, while forests, which absorb carbon dioxide emissions, are completely destroyed and freshwater supplies become scarce and what little there is will be polluted.
The report offers a vivid warning that either people curb their extravagant lifestyles or risk leaving the onus on scientists to locate another planet that can sustain human life.
Now, since this is very unlikely to happen, the only option is to cut consumption now.
Systematic over-exploitation of the planet's oceans has meant the The North American cod stocks have collapsed from an estimated spawning stock of 264,000 in 1970 to under 60,000 in 1995.
Yikes.
The study will also reveal a sharp fall in the planet's ecosystems between 1970 and 2002, with the Earth's forest cover shrinking by 12%, the ocean's biodiversity by a third, and freshwater ecosystems in the region by 55%.
The Living Planet report uses an index to illustrate the shocking level of deterioration in the world's forests as well as marine and freshwater ecosystems.
Using 1970 as a baseline year and giving that a value of 100, the index has dropped to a new low of around 65 in the space of a single generation.
It is not just humans who are at risk, say the scientists, who examined this data.
They were looking for 350 kinds of mammals, birds, reptiles, fish, and also found the numbers of many species have more than halved.
Martin Jenkins, senior advisor for the World Conservation Monitoring Center in Cambridge, which helped compile this report to be released today, it seems things are getting worse faster than possibly ever before.
Now that too, that remark too, I think, deserves some consideration.
It would seem that the damage, the hello, deterioration of the earth is quickening.
It's just a way of saying it, right?
What does he say?
It seems things are getting worse faster than possibly ever before.
Never has one single species had such an overwhelming influence.
We are entering uncharted territory.
Figures from the center reveal that black rhino numbers have fallen from 65,000 in 1970 to about 3,100 now.
65,000 in 1970 to 3,100 now.
Numbers of African elephants have fallen from around 1.2 million in 1980 to just over half a million.
So that's more than half, right?
While the population of tigers has fallen 95% during the past century.
The population of tigers has fallen by 95% during the past century.
The UK birdsong population has also seen a drastic fall with the horn-bunting population declining by 92% between 1970 and 2000, the tree sparrow by 90%, and the spotted flycatcher 70%.
Experts, however, say it is very difficult to ascertain how many species have vanished forever because the rules are that a species has got to disappear for 50 years before anyone will officially declare it to be extinct.
Did you know that?
Anything they declare extinct has not been seen for 50 years.
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I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
There was a much bigger picture there.
And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
Because it's going to continue.
We're going to have More and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
Now we take you back to the night of July 8, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The report due out today, which no doubt you'll hear talked about quite a bit, is that either we change the way we're doing things here on Earth, or within 50 years, we had better have two colonizable, if that's a word, planets available for our immediate occupancy, or we get a sort of an eviction notice.
Now, usually before you're going to get evicted or move, you want to make sure you have another place to move to, another house, right?
If you don't, then you are a street person.
You are known as a street person or a car person living in your car.
Well, that's essentially what this report is saying about the earth.
And what we've done in the last 30 years is astounding, and it's true.
Now, it may be that politically, politically I say, the wise thing is to do essentially what we're doing, which is nothing.
We look at the various protocols, the ones in Japan, there's going to be lots more, lots of other international conferences coming up very shortly that are going to try and figure out what to do about all this, but the United States has taken the position that basically isn't going to do a thing.
And I'm not saying that that is untenable, but politically, it's probably the only tenable thing we can do.
Look at our politicians.
Think about the position our politicians are in, our president, for example.
It's just the thing.
You need to always show forward movement, growth, improved lifestyles, right?
You need to show that or the voters will kick you out of office.
That's the way it is.
If you show a regression and things getting worse, then your political head comes off like that.
So there really is no choice.
The alternative is political suicide.
But you've got to at least consider when you get these kinds of reports that that is what's going on and you've got to consider the implications of it, particularly if we do nothing, which in all probability we will continue to do.
We will continue to improve it and attempt to improve the economy, based as it is, on something that will ultimately destroy the world.
Now, maybe science will come along and save our butts.
But I wouldn't put a lot of money on that one if I were you.
Right now, preparations are underway, according to the USA today, for a radiation attack.
Government and markets fear wide panic.
The New York Stock Exchange, which, oh boy, they had trouble on the market again today, down 100-something points.
The New York Stock Exchange plans to open secret communication centers around the country.
Secret!
Public health officials are adding hundreds of doctors to emergency response teams.
Nuclear safety officials plan to buy more radiation detection devices.
Faced with the prospect of new terrorist attacks, virtually every segment of American society from Washington to Wall Street.
Now taking steps to keep government functioning, money flowing, and people calm.
Now, you see, those are the priorities, right?
Taking steps to keep government functioning, one, right?
Money flowing, two, and people calm, all of you, three.
The need for such preparations was highlighted last month by the detention of a U.S. citizen who already said was planning to detonate a radioactive dirty bomb somewhere in the USA.
I think it was Chicago.
At the federal level, it's the one we're most prepared for because we have five decades of experience preparing for it.
Randy Larson, director of the ANSER, that's ANSER Institute for Homeland Security.
He and other experts say the detonation of a radiological device would not cause mass casualties, even if it did cause widespread panic.
Nevertheless, federal officials do worry that an attack with radioactive material could cripple the economy and cause enough panic to overwhelm local hospitals with people seeking treatment.
Larson says that a radiological strike would have an enormous psychological effect, even though it shouldn't.
Now, this story, like another, with regard to smallpox, you know, they're beginning to disseminate a smallpox vaccine now to government workers first, of course, and even beginning to plan for the mass vaccination of the American people.
Now, when I look at these kinds of stories about the radiological story here, and then the smallpox story, I ask myself right away, hey, what do they know that we don't?
They don't usually begin doing this sort of thing unless they have some pretty good information that something like this is about to happen, right?
Either an atomic bomb, a radiological dirty bomb, a smallpox release someplace or another.
In other words, we are on the verge of something happening, and They know that it's coming.
They know it's coming.
Or they wouldn't begin acting in this way, understanding even how beginning to vaccinate government workers against smallpox.
I mean, that's a big message, right?
Big message.
Beginning to think about impact vaccinating the entire U.S. population against smallpox.
Sure, I think they're doing the right thing.
You're darn right.
They've got to get ready.
If they really think it's coming.
And if they don't really think it's coming, then what are they doing?
Right?
Is that logical?
Same thing with the radiological preparations.
Yes, get ready, but only if you have fairly substantial information indicating there is a need for such preparations.
So I think one translates directly to the other.
Yes, they've got that need.
Yes, they have that information.
And that means we all better get ready.
Because it's probably coming.
It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
Anyway, one thing we're not going to do, pleasant as it might be to think about, is go back to the way it was.
You know, back to the beginning, the place where it all began.
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We've got to get right back where we started going.
Do you remember that day?
That's all you think.
And you can take my place.
no one can take your face I can make my money on your baby.
When it's alright and it's coming on, we gotta get right back to where we're from.
Oh, no.
We gotta get right back to where we're from.
You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 8th, 2002.
But I do know that what they're saying seems like communism to some people out there.
Why, to ruin this economy and take everything down back to the cave days or anything like it, it's just communistic.
And you're right.
It is.
And so, actually, I'm on your side, in a way.
There's hardly any point, is there, in reporting on this when our politicians, our policymakers, can't do a damn thing about it anyway without committing political suicide, something we all know they will not do.
They will not commit suicide politically.
So they will continue present policies.
And actually, in a way, I agree with them.
That, in a perverse kind of way, means that I agree with those of you who think it's all a bunch of communist nonsense.
Might as well be, because we're not going to do anything about it.
So, in a way, if I were a politician, I might do the same thing.
Practically.
I mean, of course, morally, there's a different thing to do, but from a practical standpoint, politicians have to be practical.
Or else they're not politicians anymore.
From that point of view, they will do nothing.
It's the only thing they can do.
And so, in a way, I agree with you.
What's the point of understanding it's true if you can't or won't do anything about it?
And I don't know if I go quite so far as to say it's communism, but I'm very disappointed that the World Wildlife Fund would come out with such a report that's so clearly, to me, biased towards their own agenda.
Well, but we're not consuming gigantic trees from the Amazon rainforest, which is where much of the deforestation has come from no they're down there burning it up and using it as one-time farmland then moving on I mean it's insanity but it's going on I mean it's going on I'm all in favor of good conservation but I think that in this case they've they've just gone way too far and to me they've they've uh looked at conservation well actually though that's
The canary drops dead and goes up on all fours in the air.
And Harry says, what do you think, should we turn back?
And his partner says, hell no.
Hell with that canary.
Come on, let's go.
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Yeah.
Well, speaking of, yeah, speaking of strange things from the earth, I think if you were to put out the question, has anybody seen recently the sudden appearance of very strange, unidentifiable insects?
Again, I'm going to say, as we go along, and more and more signs of the reality of what this federation has said are true, we can choose to close our eyes.
And if we do, I don't blame us.
I really don't.
Because we're just, we're not going to change.
We are going to continue to want to live the lifestyle we are.
We're not going back to live in caves.
This is a stark reality discussion we're having here.
We're killing the planet.
I think that's probably true, and we're not going to do anything about it.
And I actually may support that position, because you can't go back.
you sure you're all there yes i am there what you said earlier about everything you read um is frightening it is frightening and i want to tell you um i don't want to offend a whole nation when i've traveled between san diego california right and London,
England, between the past two years, often, I notice that when I'm in San Diego, you are the only one that carries this news about the planet.
And then when I'm in London, they don't have anything about it.
I think there has to be some modification to our lifestyles and to this sort of idea that this sort of laissez-faire capitalism with this idea we have because suicide is stupid, you know.
And I can't agree.
If we don't change, we're going to die.
And, you know, I don't think that's good for anybody.
Dying's bad.
I want my great-great-grandkids to live at least a good of a life as I'm living.
And that means that maybe I'm going to have to give some things up.
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Now we take you back to the night of July 8, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
You know, it's kind of interesting, the timing of it.
And, you know, far be it for me to be on the dark side of a conspiracy theory, but it's getting a lot of play.
And it comes at a strange time, too, because if certain people really believe in this, people on what I would call the dark side, really believe that there may be a need for population reduction and all the coded words that they use.
This is coming at a time where we're involved in an endless war on terrorism that even Cheney and Bush say, you know, this may last far beyond our lifetimes.
We've got trouble in the Middle East.
You've had the chief of Mossad three days ago, or four days ago, excuse me, telling the international press that 9-11-01 was the start of World War III.
And then we have, like I say, the New York Times coming out with how we're going to have this three-pronged attack on Iraq.
You have all these things going.
And once again, I find it interesting that this comes out at this time because if some people do believe that there is a need to basically call the population, are they possibly setting this up?
Why would the chief of the Mossads come to the city?
90% of a whole bunch of different types of birds are gone.
95% of tigers, 95% of all the tigers in the world are gone.
That's 95%.
My guest coming up will be very interesting, John Kogan, John Kogan's author of The New Order of Man's History.
He's a graduate of the University of Washington.
He is a Jeff pilot, lawyer, businessman, paleohistorian, who's researched many scientific disciplines in order to assemble a concise, comprehensive history of human events.
That would be humans on Earth.
Kogan contends That 10,500 years ago, our planet was hit by a six-mile-long asteroid that slammed into the North Atlantic.
The entire Earth shuttered.
Instant chaos followed, ending with the last ice age, pushing mankind to the brink of extinction, where the WWF says we are perched at the moment.
His research has led him to conclude that most current scientific assumptions about man's evolution are all wrong, that 11,000 years ago there were indeed elaborate underwater cities.
Underwater cities.
Kogan has studied the Mayan calendar, the most accurate calendar ever developed and says the calendar begins at the time that that asteroid hit Earth.
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You know what?
We are a wall to them.
And I have a feeling that the wall is getting stronger, and it's going to be very tough for them to bust through it.
But I want to warn people, because the global controllers realize power is slipping from their hands, they're going to really try to do whatever they can to try to get us back in line.
And like a Bucking Bronco, all we got to do is throw the new world order off our back.
Now we take you back to the night of July 8, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Comes now John Cogan, who I just told you a little bit about.
John, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
I asked you just prior to coming on whether you'd heard the first hour and this WWF report on the state of the world and the fact that by 2050, and by the way, folks, that entire report can be read on my webpage under the links portion.
You can read the whole thing in detail.
I didn't have enough time to get to all of it, but I got to a lot of the major facts.
They're saying we need two new planets by 2050.
They are, of course, saying they're sort of being facetious because they know we're not going to get them.
It crossed over Charleston, South Carolina as it was falling and came apart and left 3,000 divots all around Charleston that are still there to this day called the Carolina Bays.
Left another 7,000 on the way out to where it hit.
It hit 1,500 miles out in the Atlantic Ocean from Charleston on about a southwest course.
Well, I've heard, because of all the populism of the movies about this kind of thing, that an asteroid that size would end the world, would end the world.
It would likely just virtually sterilize everything.
You know, there was a great extinction of all of the large animals of the world, the megafauna at that time, 10,500 years ago, 70% of the megafauna of the world, the woolly mammoths, the woolly rhinoceros, etc., bisons, they all disappeared.
They died within a couple hundred years after the asteroid hit, and that is what killed them.
They were sterilized because the asteroid caused such a gigantic amount of volcanism in the North Atlantic Ocean.
It won't hurt you to read it in the book several times.
And then we have evidence of the submergence of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
It was above water during most of the Ice Age.
And then we find that because of the volcanism that this impact created, sea floor sediments are swept right up to the Mid-Atlantic Ridge like dirt in a bathtub.
And then, as the volcanism progressed for three days, it blew one-tenth of the Atlantic Ocean up into the atmosphere.
And then the wind blew it over the land, and it deposited this dirt called LOS, L-O-E-S-S, very fine, good stuff, all over Eurasia.
And then the Great Death Cloud, continental in size, swept up over Siberia and killed probably 40 million woolly mammoths and other animals and swept them in water toward the Arctic Ocean, left many of them standing there in the mud, standing up.
And then finally, the key to this art is the Camp Century Greenland Ice Core.
A few years ago, after I'd already written some of the book and everything else, I walked into the University of Washington bookstore, and I saw this volume sitting there, and I just about died because it's called the Quaternary Environments.
That means ice age.
And I thought, and then I saw from just scanning the book a little bit that they'd taken an ice core at latitude 77 degrees in Greenland.
And I thought, man, if they took an ice core, it's got to show the asteroid, the evidence of the asteroid impact at the level of 10,500 years ago.
So I can tell you that I bought that book, went to the nearest tavern, sat down, had a beer, lit up the cigar, and turned to the index to ice scores because it was all on the line right there.
I was either right or I was wrong.
And I started reading under iScores, and there it is.
All the proof I ever could have asked for that the asteroid had hit.
In other words, right now, for example, if several of the world's biggest volcanoes let loose fully, even fully, we would experience some change in temperature.
The authors of the book are four PhDs from Australia.
And they use exclamation points.
And I've never seen those in a scientific paper before.
The third thing that the core shows is volcanic ash, lots of it.
And then four, the last thing the core shows is sea salt.
Now, if you take Greenland and the pack ice that covered half the oceans of the world, went way down, it was thousands of miles away from any open water.
And here's copious sea salts in this core.
So you have all four of these things.
And then the question is, what kind of an event could possibly produce these four things instantaneously all at once?
But man had to spread out because North Africa dried up From about 40,000 years ago to 10,500, it was steadily drying up and it became the Sahara Desert.
And that was man's homeland.
But he had to leave.
He had to get out of there because there wasn't any room to live.
And people started leaving, and they went north to Europe, which was still in the grip of the ice.
Some went east, and a bunch went west to South America.
They took off in reed boats, just like Thor Heyerdahl proved, and they were headed for Brazil, the Amazon River, which at that time was semi-arid and a very pleasant place to live.
And so they took off from the Sahara at Lyxus up by Gibraltar, and they coasted on the Canary Current to South America.
So that was kind of the picture.
And just as man is successfully moving around the world at 10.5, that's when the asteroid hits.
Yeah, I would, I guess I would just say I'm speculating or guessing at this, Art, but it would be outside of the prevailing winds that carried the death cloud to the east over Eurasia and to the west over northern South America.
And so man somehow was out of the way of that cloud.
Now that cloud was so high and it contained such vicious gases that it destroyed the ozone layer, which exists, a very thin little fragile layer.
And that's all that is between us and being fried by radiation from the sun.
But then the rest of mankind kind of shrunk with all the rest of the animals.
Most of the animals that we have on the earth today are smaller than the ones that existed prior to 10.5.
And so man, well, in the Middle Ages, man was only averaging 5'2 ⁇ tall, 5'4 ⁇ , you know, a little guy.
And so actually, after 10-5, mankind goes into the Mesolithic Age, so-called Middle Stone Age.
And that's a time of total quiet on the earth.
There's just hardly any activity by mankind.
And then all of a sudden, 5,000 years later, 5,000 years ago from now, after the Mesolithic Age is over, here pops up four civilizations all at once, like mushrooms.
Four Portuguese women stood topless at their windows because they thought they were getting a mammogram by satellite.
Yes.
The women who live in San Bartholomew, and this is in Spain, report they got a telephone call from a woman who claimed she was a doctor and that she said the procedure wouldn't cost them anything.
All they'd do is go to the window and bare their breasts.
And the satellite would do the rest and perform an instant mammogram on them.
You might want to see it sent to me allegedly by a police officer from Omaha who says last year a fellow officer who wants to remain anonymous and I were posing for a photograph taken by another officer when we got the picture and they're in uniform by the way it showed a strange object in the background that looked like a spaceship.
All the guys at the station said I should send it to you and see what you think it could be so I'm asking you what do you think?
Well I don't know you know usually when you look at these photographs and I don't want to offend you officer usually when you look at these photographs it is the UFO that looks like the stenciled in fake object right and it's probably just an artifact of the camera or the JPEG that he said but the police officers look like they were drawn in.
The UFO is real.
But the police officers look like they were drawn in.
I'm sure that's not the case.
I'm sure it's just an artifact of the photograph.
But you might want to take a look.
It is interesting.
I mean it's a classic saucer cut behind this building behind these police officers looking over the water.
That's on the website right now, artbell.com.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 8, 2002.
Music Now, this is pretty interesting stuff, and I don't want to give anything away before we do it, but Linda Moulton Howe will be here Wednesday night, and she has just obtained another interview with Paulina Zelitsky down in Havana.
And, you know, they've made this incredible discovery, and it's even going to get stranger.
I know what the story is, but I'm not going to give it away here.
I'm going to let Linda tell you what Paulina Zelitsky has now found, 2,200 feet below the water off the coast of Cuba.
Now, we already know this much, that Zelitsky has side-scan radar, and now more, that shows what seems to be an underwater city there.
Now, I'm talking about pyramidal shapes, pyramidal buildings, what appear to be buildings and roads, and wide open areas, and areas of civilization, roads, you know, buildings.
These are the things I'm talking about, folks.
Under the water, a half a mile under the water in off the coast of Cuba.
Now, there are startling new things we're about to learn later this week about this story, but in the meantime, it seems to me that it might relate to what my guest right now, John Cogan, is saying.
John, would it surprise you if they confirm that in fact there is a city, a whole area of geography found off the coast of Cuba, nearly a half mile below, which if you were talking about the evolution of man would have to be millions and millions of years ago, certainly ice ages would not account for a city a half mile below the ocean.
No way.
The last ice age might account for 900 feet, they say, not 2,200 feet.
But to begin to find underwater cities a half mile down, you've got to scratch your head and say, look, there's not much that would account for this in the last many millions of years, and we weren't making roads millions of years ago, so gee, let's think about this for a moment.
No, I think whoever mentioned my name together with underwater cities was just more or less saying, kind of like you and I are now, that they're there and they will be found, and we've already found an awful lot of evidence of them.
I have a great variety of guests on this program, John, from people who believe that man has only been here 6,000 years to guests who believe man has been here again and again and again, that civilizations have come and gone and man has come and gone through events like the one you're talking about and others.
All right, so really, you know, this is traditional evolution you're talking about here.
And I'm curious why you agree with the traditional evolutionists and then depart from mainstream science with what you think occurred 10,500 years ago.
In all immodesty, I have to say I'm right, and Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and all the rest are wrong.
And I don't hesitate to say that because evidence keeps pouring in that what I say is right, and evidence keeps pouring in that what they say is wrong.
The Indus in India, Tigris-Euphrates, the first one is called Sumer, and then Egypt, and then a little bit later, Central America.
These four all developed at just about the same time, 5,000 years ago.
And they're all very similar, but they weren't connected.
In other words, it turned out in 1492, when Europeans saw Montezuma and his country, that, Lord, this is just like we've heard Egypt was and Sumer and so on.
John, out of curiosity, could this be why the biblical conservative folk out there, the fundamentalists, are saying that man really has only been here 6,000 years ago and are able to cite some degree of scientific evidence on their side.
Maybe what they're citing is evidence of the Grand Slam 10,500 years ago.
Because you made mention of a sort of a jump in man's ability at about, what, 5,000 years ago, something like that.
It could be because, in fact, they'd be part and parcel with academia because academia believes that's man's first civilization of any and all civilizations.
Somehow he just appeared and in a couple hundred years was able to build the great pyramid.
And my, that's quite a feat because we don't know how to duplicate it today.
Well, I'm just suggesting, I mean, there are, believe me, creationists who cite who have science behind them, they claim, on their side, and they do cite scientific facts.
Now, those facts could be certainly drawn from what you're suggesting about what happened to man and when man began to sort of recover, they could be drawing scientific facts from that time and concluding that man has only been here for 6,000 years.
Yeah, there's a little something to be said to that in that.
But I've explained it as to the way I see it, that there was a first civilization, and it existed in just about the same places and did just about the same things.
And if we only could resurrect it, we would see this civilization around North Africa.
It was around the Mediterranean.
It was in South America, Tia Tehuanaco, up there in the Andes and everything else.
And so this first civilization disappeared when that asteroid hit.
And for 5,000 years, man just practically disappeared until he re-emerged.
And here's these new civilizations again.
And they look just like the first civilization, which was a high Stone Age civilization, very much a maritime civilization.
Went all around the world.
Got to Antarctica.
I found, well, there's a book by Professor Hepgood, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings.
He found maps that show Antarctica ice-free, or largely ice-free.
And so on.
So the first civilization was here, and it was all over the world.
Some ruins are still there.
Most of them got knocked down by the asteroid impact, and so on.
But there's plenty of evidence of the first civilization.
I mean, no matter how it happened, considering present day and looking to our future and looking to the current world and what could or might happen, what difference does this make to us today?
I'm told that if we had warning of something six miles in diameter, something of that size or larger, that we wouldn't be able to do anything about it anyway.
We might be able to do something about a relatively small object, but something that size, modern man, even with all our space shuttles and rocketry and the rest of it, and even the hydrogen bomb we have, none of it would save us if something was on the way.
We do live in a swarm, and one of them, one day, is going to get us.
And the fact of the matter is, we probably won't see it coming.
But that's probably a good thing, because all we do is worry anyway.
I'm Art Bell.
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You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
You know what?
We are a wall to them.
And I have a feeling that the wall is getting stronger and it's going to be very tough for them to bust through it.
But I want to warn people, because the global controllers realize power is slipping from their hands, they're going to really try to do whatever they can to try to get us back in line.
And like a Bucking Bronco, all we got to do is throw the new world order off our back.
Now we take you back to the night of July 8, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time I thought short people would be good.
All right, well, listen, you know, all of that was then, and this is now, and I'm probably going to drive you right out of your area of expertise.
But, I mean, here we are with, you know, 6 billion plus people and an environment that's deteriorating and a world that is about a third used up according to this report.
And the only thing that could change things, and we were talking about this in the first hour, really, would be a drastic reduction in population by whatever means, you know, disease, war, big rock, whatever.
But I mean, are you one of those who believes that things are cycling up out of control environmentally and in every other way you can think of, just about sort of cycling up out of control and headed toward what?
What in legend, aside from pure science, what in legend, there ought to be some remnants, right, of man's memory of this drastic occurrence etched in caves or something underwater maybe that sunk or, you know, evidence that that event occurred.
That would be a major thing that man would knock into stone if he had to, right?
In other words, are there other similar areas, or is 24 North, 61 West, distinctive enough that it's apart from everything else you would see at the ocean bottom?
And it's probably, you know, two-thirds of all the asteroids that have ever hit the Earth have hit the ocean because the ocean's two-thirds of the surface of the Earth.
And the evidence of it would be much more difficult to discuss because there would be so much less evidence, except in the ice cores, as you point out there.
Now, the ash, it has to be blown from some volcanism somewhere, and it has to come another 2,000 or 3,000 miles from some other direction, and there's really no wind up there that carries it in the first place.
Then the carbon dioxide, how are you going to, what if you and I decided that let's just triple the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today?
Let's just do it for the heck of it.
The first thing we'd both look at each other and say, well, where are we going to get it?
Well, magma can provide quite a bit of it, but that's not enough.
You've got to go to the very bottom of the oceans.
That's where it is.
It lies in the deepest parts of the oceans in solution in seawater.
Now, the question is, how are you going to get that out of there and up into the atmosphere?
Yeah, I, you know, personally, I just done research, and I have to say that it's there.
The scientists, ocean scientists and everything, they know it's there, and they have a theory of how it gets there and so on.
It's part of the atmosphere that actually goes into the water, and the currents take it there, and then it just lies there, and you can't get it out unless you have a tremendous volcanism, and the currents that are created in the ocean carry it to the eruptive point, and then it is blasted up into the atmosphere.
That's how it gets up there.
And so that's what happened.
And then, of course, carbon dioxide is the element that causes global warming.
It heats up the earth.
And that's what melted the ice sheets in 4,000 years.
Otherwise, it would have been 120,000 years to melt.
And you and I are just finding out what it's like.
Here's a little thought I had on that one, Art.
You were talking about the shape of the Earth.
And yeah, it's bad.
And I noticed that Alaska has experienced 30 years of warming.
And it's alarming.
In South Alaska around Soldatna, there's a tremendous infestation of spruce beetles that have killed all the trees.
And now it's fine habitat for some of these obnoxious insects like that and so on.
Now, Alaska has clean air as opposed to Southern California.
And I would expect if global warming was caused by human beings, that Southern California would have more evidence of global warming than Alaska, which is a lot cleaner.
But it seems like it's the other way around.
Alaska has experienced tremendous warming.
And it's evident in the glaciers that are shrinking, and it's evident in the obnoxious insects that are in the city.
That's because the ice in that part of Alaska that you're talking about is very tenuous anyway.
In other words, it exists at a very small temperature margin, and you just fool with it by a degree or a portion of a degree or a few degrees, whatever science says.
Oh, I think we're going to get quite a bit warmer.
That great Serbian mathematician, Myron Milankovic, he's the one that says three things really have to do with ice ages, and that's the tilt of the Earth, which varies over a certain period of time.
The wobble, as the Earth goes around, it wobbles around the axis.
And the other one is the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.
It has a certain period.
When those three things all come together to reduce the heat to the northern hemisphere in about the 65-degree latitude, then we get an ice age.
Every 5,000-something years, a little more, it comes around and the three dates that make up their computation come together.
The first time they started 8,498 years ago, and then it came together about 3,113 B.C. And now it's going to come together again about every 5,000 years.
And so this is the second anniversary of the Mayan calendar coming up.
He's got a question here that he wants to be asked, which says, why is the New World or the New Order correct?
Maybe he doesn't mean New World Order, New Order, or is that a synonym for New World Order?
Maybe not.
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Tonight's program originally aired July 8th, 2002.
My guest is John Kogan, who says that 10,500 years ago, a big rock, six miles or better, crashed into Earth, sort of hitting a reset button, changing everything.
Mid-Atlantic, 24 degrees north latitude, 61 degrees west longitude.
It's an interesting theory.
I think he thinks it's a lot more than that.
We're going to ask him a couple questions about old order thinking and new order thinking, whatever that means.
We're about to find out.
And then we're going to open the phone lines, and I'm going to let you ask questions as you will.
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You know what?
We are a wall to them.
And I have a feeling that the wall is getting stronger, and it's going to be very tough for them to bust through it.
But I want to warn people, because the global controllers realize power is slipping from their hands, they're going to really try to do whatever they can to try to get us back in line.
And like a Buck and Bronco, all we got to do is throw the new world order off our back.
Now we take you back to the night of July 8, 2002 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time All right, well, I was having fun with him.
I guess you refer to Old Order thinking, John, as the traditional scientific view of how man has progressed here on Earth and geologic history and all the rest of that.
Oh, Art, you're making me be awfully immodest here, but that's probably true.
I mean, the new order is just an idea of three points, and I guess I did originate them, so I guess I'd have to say that, but I was trying to be a little more modest.
Well, Melvin, I compliment you on finding that book, and so on.
I bet that's a good one.
I have not run across that.
I would say this.
Starting the Mayan calendar really means that's the day of its, that you start a mathematical count forward, and you can also start a mathematical count backward.
All calendars are that way, like the Gregorian calendar.
We either have AD or B C. And Mayans have the same thing.
Oh, it would be a mid-ocean, probably without any doubt.
The asteroid strike that we're talking about and where it hit was probably the most vulnerable part of the whole planet Earth because the North Atlantic Ocean sea bottom is just riddled with these fracture lines that go east and west across the mid-Atlantic Ridge.
And then there's, of course, the ridge itself has a great fracture line all the way around the world that is north and south.
I heard a story not long ago from mainstream science about the mid-Atlantic area, that they were not ruling out the possibility of this horrible sudden slide that would produce tsunamis that would wipe out all the coasts.
And I'm telling you, what they don't know would fill encyclopedias because they just take such a narrow focus.
We've been talking about this asteroid impact here this evening.
You ask one of them about it.
They wouldn't even know where to start.
They couldn't tell you a thing.
It would be like the dinosaur article I told you about.
Well, it would throw a cloud of dust up into the air and probably stay there for two months.
Well, it'll stay there for 2,000 years because it goes so high, there's no gravity.
There's very little.
And it takes forever for it to come down.
But they don't know their physics, their geophysics.
They can't tell you Newton's law of gravity.
And that is what tells you that it won't come down.
And also, for instance, the speed of the asteroid impact is all important.
You can take a six-mile diameter asteroid, and if it hits the Earth at 10,000 miles an hour, that's one thing.
If it hits the Earth at 40,000 miles an hour, that's another.
But is it only four times as hard?
No.
Physics tells you that force of impact is force equals mass times velocity squared.
And when you put that squared in there, that's velocity times itself.
So it doesn't hit four times as hard.
It hits about 20 times as hard.
So speed is absolutely everything.
Now, back to our academians.
Do they know that?
I bet they don't.
And yet they write these articles for Science Magazine and everything else, and their ignorance of ships and boats, as Hyrd all points out, they don't know anything about ocean currents.
John, this meteor that hit before, do you think it's possible and probable that it's going to happen again?
And one more quick question, then I'll hang up and listen off the air.
They have a lot of industry over here, and do you think that that's going to change the global warming in this area and affect the rivers in this area?
First time caller line, you're on the air with John Cogan.
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Hi, this is Tom.
I'm calling from Benavia, Texas.
Yes, sir.
Two things.
Is John saying that the reason the snakes was covered was because of this comet that hit?
Or what I also would like to ask, what does he think about those scientists, archaeologists who have found artifacts and bones of people that date back 300,000 years?
You know, I mentioned that, and that comes from Graham Hancock and Buval and others that noticed that, and John Henry West, so on.
I think they've really got something there.
That Sphinx must be pretty old.
It probably predates 10.5.
It's probably into the first civilization, but even then you've got a question, because remember how the Sahara was drying up during that time?
It wasn't getting much rain then.
In my book, I went out on a limb about the only time in the whole book.
The rest of it's pretty conservative.
But I said that I thought that maybe it was the asteroid impact that did the damage.
In other words, that enormous amount of rain, all that stuff that we were talking about, Art, that went up and came down, well, it would be the equivalent of 500 feet of rain coming down pretty fast.
You can get it through Amazon, or you can get it through any bookstore by simply asking for it, and they'll order it for you, and it's with distributors.
They have academia sewed up tight, and basically they just ignore everybody else, and they get their government paychecks, you know, and everybody else has to put their own bills.
And so they really have the world by the tail.
And if they just ignore people, they win, and they go away.
So the only hope we have is to get some exposure, as you're doing for me, Art.
I certainly appreciate that, you see, because it helps get the word out that there's an alternative theory.
And then hopefully, the students will come to the rescue of knowledge and will say, I don't believe this stuff anymore.
I've read Gogan's book and I've read other books and I believe that.
And then all of a sudden, it's going to be like night and day.
There isn't any way to put these together too readily.
You've got to grab one theory or the other because they're quite far apart.
We're talking about what hit Earth, according to John Kogan, 10,500 years ago, dead smack in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
And the results were virtually the extinction of everything, or the near extinction of everything man just barely squeaked through, he says, to become what we are now in 10,500 years.
We'll get right back to it.
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You did say, give me in that fast blast, you said, give me a crater, and I might believe you.
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Yes, and I mean, if it was an impact or the size of the one that hit Chick Shaloop 64.51 million years ago, you're looking at possibly a 20-kilometer crater deep and a 120-kilometer transient crater.
And there's nothing of that size, definitely nothing that deep.
I mean, the average ocean depth there is about 5,000 meters.
And you definitely won't have seafloor sediment that would cover up a crater that size.
As far as I know, now that crater is quite large, and it's circular, which indicates that the boloid was coming straight down, more or less.
It wasn't at an angle, whereas this one was.
And I don't know your measurements, but actually the crater out there in the ocean is very large.
It's 70 miles wide.
That's mild.
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Well again, an impact of again the size you're talking, some six miles, traveling at thousands of miles would again create a crater like over well again if it was like Shikshaloo, you're looking at like some 180 kilometer crater.
Oh, and remember now, you've got the clue to it up in Charleston, South Carolina, where, you see, it had a crust, and the crust was boulders.
And as it heated up, the heat caused it to fracture.
And the boulders came off, leaving the core, which was nickel-iron, and it smacked the ocean, but the boulders slowed down as they fell off of the asteroid.
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Another question.
You keep on saying an asteroid.
Have you seen any kind of iridium spike in any of the seafloor sediment samples or any of the cores from the ice?
When you were talking about the area surrounding the crater being riddled with cracks, John, I get this picture, and this may be way off, but I get a picture of like if you were to throw a rock into a windshield of a car, it doesn't actually go through.
It makes basically a crater, and cracks branch out from that.
But what would happen if, once you've damaged that surface, such as the crust of the Earth, if another asteroid were to impact the Earth, what would be the possibility of it breaking all the way through and because of the weakened state due to cracks from previous impacts, the Earth just kind of blowing apart?
And actually, the general opinion is that the fracture lines that you see all through the ocean floor there were created by plate tectonics and the stretching of the Earth's crust.
And it's really, quite frankly, they're really not well understood at all, but they're there.
But his point is well taken that when you hit a cracked windshield, the chances that it's going to really fly apart is a lot greater than a solid windshield.
The first being, for those of your listeners who do not have a globe or a map to lay out the longitude and latitude of that strike, you mentioned South Carolina, you mention Alaska and an angular strike.
Can you give us a location in relation to the mid-Atlantic ridge, in relation to the equator?
And you can see that the line would come just south of Alaska across Charleston, South Carolina, and then hit out in the ocean where you'll see North America?
And it goes out into the ocean about a third of the way toward the far side.
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Well, given that and the size of the incoming object, you would think a good thump on the mid-Atlantic floor, and that would account for Cuba sinking as well as many other islands subsiding.
And it does seem like there is a gradient from the up by the North Pole down toward where this impact occurred.
And the ocean gets deeper as you come down, indicating that there was more volcanism down there that took more of the magma up into the air.
And that that is why there is a sinking of the ocean floor in that direction.
And you're right.
And yes, there's all sorts of evidence that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge sunk in this area of North Africa, up by Europe, and so on and so forth, up to the amount of about 10,000 feet or two miles.
And there is thought that the Azores island is Atlantis, that the Azores area of the mid-Atlantic ridge is Atlanta.
But God bless Coast to Coast and God bless Seacrane for all the incredible stuff they have, including their spread spectrums.
Listen, I cruised across there in 1976 on a 42-foot twin diesel Grand Banks 42 actually.
And we had the radar and everything, so I was able to see the coastline.
And we went from St. Thomas to Curaçao, Venezuela, instead of Jamaica, because we have a thousand-mile range.
Anyway, I can definitely see that, but the reason I called, I'm totally jazzed when I got through.
On TLC or Discovery, I saw a listen to a documentary of a gentleman that had a theory about the great flood and the ripping apart of the crust, and I think it was triggered by an asteroid.
That it ripped literally all the way around the planet and that we had so much subterranean water plus high oceans that it blew into the beyond the atmosphere into outer space and has come back as identifiable DNA samples of microbes that originated only on the Earth and in meteorites.
And it was such an outlandish, far-flung theory that it blew me away.
It's so similar to yours, and it could be actually connected in a cyclical means.
I just wondered if you heard anything about that, John.
I'm sorry, I didn't write down the name, but it was quite recently.
What about this theory, John, that most of the large rocks that would possibly do the kind of damage we're talking about, you say was done 10,500 years ago.
Most of those, I mean, a lot of time has passed since creation, and the ones that are going to hit, for the most part, have hit.
So the odds of getting hit by something big are much lower because most of it's gone.
In other words, most of those that would hit or would be in orbits that might hit already hit over the millions of years closer to creation than now.
And so actually our solar system of the sun and nine planets was built by those planets sweeping up the debris in the area of their orbit.
And so early on there was all sorts of impacts.
And planet Earth had no life on it at all for the first four billion years.
Life only appeared the last one billion years.
And earlier times was just one impact after another.
So it's been slowing down tremendously.
That's led to this theory of uniformitism and so on and the academians not being willing to believe that we could get hit by an asteroid and so on and so forth because we tend to measure everything by our own little infinitesimal lifespan.
But you are absolutely right.
The rate or the incidence of impact has slowed down to crawl as far as we're concerned as opposed to what it was once upon a time.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 8, 2002.
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I think it does us all good to be exposed to different ideas, different than the mainstream, which hasn't been all that correct all that much and tends to frequently revise its opinions when presented with absolutely staggeringly impossible to ignore evidence.
I wonder how long it will take for your theory to build to that point, John.
I tried to get out here on this lake, but the boat's not right.
Didn't have anybody to take me.
Anyhow, I want to make a comment first that I'm totally blind, and Art will cue in on why in a minute.
A shadow person that I speak to occasionally who deals with other blind people tells me that the guest is a little off on the timing, that it's more like 10,800 years, and I wish I had somebody here to look at a map,
but if either of you gentlemen have a map, there's supposed to be a small island in the Bahamas referred to as Little San Salvador, not to be confused with the country I'm told, San Salvador.
One thing that you never took into account was the fact that a windshield doesn't have a gravitational force holding it together like the Earth does.
And in order for a comet to impact the Earth hard enough to blow it apart, that comet would have to have more force than the gravitational pull of the Earth.
Yeah, it would I think what the gentleman's saying is that boy, it'd have to be a tremendous force to chip off a piece of the Earth or something like that.
And I wish, wish, wish that you were on in drive time in the morning or midday or afternoon or evening, something other than this crazy hour that you're on right now.
And number three, this would be my kind of big one, considering this six-mile-wide asteroid and thinking about what we assume we know about consciousness and the afterlife.
Let's say a six-mile-wide asteroid slammed into planet Earth and hundreds of thousands and millions of people died all at once.
Yes.
Would all of those individual souls, who all crossed at the same time, notice any difference?
How advanced were the people before they were set back or wiped out?
And if they were, somewhat advanced, maybe even to maybe what we were 200 years ago, could they have seen this asteroid coming and made preparations for kind of a little note to whoever comes after them?
He says that Plato, when he talks about the twin peaks of Hercules, he says it's the twin peaks of Lebanon, not the Rock of Gibraltar.
And he says that ocean that you could get to from Atlantis would be the Indian Ocean.
He says that Atlantis was actually Saudi Arabia.
And he said that Plato talked about it being after this flood or whatever, it all became mud and became impassable and you couldn't get to the ocean.
Well, underneath the sands of Saudi Arabia is mud.
And also they found petrified trees in Saudi Arabia which would show that it was fertile and guess where all that oil could have come from.
You know, he says it's the dead animals and chlorophyll and all this stuff that was just crushed in the flood.
And he said just a number of things.
He also pointed out that Plato said that there was tons of elephants in Atlantis and you have these elephants in Africa and you have them in Siberia and that's right in between them, you know, Saudi Arabia.
So there's a lot of interesting points that he brought up about Atlantis being Saudi Arabia.
I don't know if it helps back up this theory or not on this asteroid.
And after I ask it, I'll hang up and listen on the radio.
Is there any connection between that and why there seems to be a pattern to the geographical layout of different continents, why the southeast sections are always swampy, and you've got the desert and higher elevation in the Rocky Mountains on the western part of all the different continents.
Yes, I need to ask Mr. Cogan a couple of questions, and then I'll get off.
All right.
Art, you're doing a great job to start with.
And Mr. Cogan, I did some biblical studies for about three and a half years, and I did some studies into plankton.
And is it not true that plankton gives off a vapor that seizes the clouds?
And also, according to the scriptures, you know, during the time of Noah, there was no water coming from the sky.
They had had a hairy cross on the ground, so that would go along with what you were talking about the Ice Age being about that time.
But what happened before then to cause no water to come from the sky?
And if you were to drop an asteroid in the northwest, say off the northwest coast, up in that area somewhere, and it caused a mushroom cloud, where would you drop it to cause everything to come apart like a puzzle?
Well, I believe he means where can we really smack the Earth?
And the answer is just about exactly what happened.
We couldn't hardly improve on that because the asteroid hit right in the weak part of the Atlantic Ocean and opened up all the fraction lines and caused water to go up there.
And man, it was a lot of water.
So the scriptural, the story of Noah and so on is not too far-fetched.
Well, I suppose a lot of the sea bottom was carried up as well.
And maybe that's where the gentleman is getting the word plankton.
For instance, the Loast Belt that goes through the Ukraine, that's the richest soil in the world.
That fell out of the Great Death Cloud.
And the reason it's so rich is it's volcanic ash mixed with seafloor sediments, which have a lot of calcium in them from seashells and so on that accumulated over millions and millions of years.
And it was heated so much that the seashells became quick lime.
And so the soil has so much lime and trace elements and so on in it that you can plant great crops in the Ukraine.
You don't even have to use the fertilizer.
So maybe that's the idea of plankton because it would be a fertilizer.
The New Order of Man's History is the name of your book, and you can get it by going to my website, folks, linking over to Amazon.com, or ordering it from your local bookstore.
I wish you all the luck in the world, John, with your book and your theory.
And it doesn't seem at all implausible.
It seems absolutely as plausible as anything else mainstream science tells us day to day.