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July 5, 2002 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Father Ernetti's Chronovisor - John Chambers
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Music From the high desert in the great American Southwest.
And I mean great.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Art Bell, and this is a program called Coast to Coast AM and well beyond.
Actually, all the time zones of the world, because that's where we're great to be here.
It's a Friday night, Saturday morning.
We're going to loosen up a little bit, and boy, are we going to have fun tonight.
It's all going to be about time travel.
The majority of it is going to be open lines, but I do have a guest to sort of set things up.
Somebody I've been searching for.
I'll tell you all about him in a moment.
Right now, I want to say I hope your 4th was a good one here in Corum, Nevada.
Our 4th of July was incredible!
Incredible!
We put on for, you know, we're just a little town in the desert here, but, oh God, the fireworks display we put on.
Was the best one I've ever seen.
I've seen some really big city fireworks displays, but this one, ha ha ha!
Baby, let me tell ya.
The Town of Pahrump, Pahrump Valley Fire Rescue Service, Zambelli International Fireworks, ha ha ha ha ha, Pahrump Valley Times, our newspaper here, those guys' productions, John, Mr. Pyrotechnics, O'Brien, and of course, KNYE Radio 95.1 here in the Valley.
We choreographed the whole thing in music.
Computer-timed to the fireworks going off and it was totally, totally awesome.
So thank you all.
Now, to move on from there and the news.
Yesterday, as most of you I'm sure, early in the day I was riveted to the television.
I was like tied at the hip to CNN as it all went on down at LAX.
The Egyptian immigrant who gunned down two people at Israel's El Al ticket counter went to the LA airport intending to kill, according to the FBI, today.
Quote, it appears he went there with the intention of killing.
Why he did that is what we're still trying to determine.
End quote.
That's FBI agent Richard Garcia.
He was the main guy there who did the... Oh yeah, let me mention the news conference.
The news conference.
When this event occurred, nothing was known for the longest time, and then even when they had a news conference, still there was nothing known.
I found myself sitting there saying, why are you holding a news conference?
Well, I'm sorry, I can't comment on that, or we can't talk about that, or, you know, the investigation is ongoing, and so they had this news conference to say nothing.
Now, The U.S.
has been spinning this as an isolated event.
Well, it was an Arab man, we now know.
And the Israelis have been saying, oh no, this was terrorism, and I tend to agree with the Israelis.
I suppose you could say it was an isolated event of terrorism, but boy, talk about spin.
I don't know about the rest of you.
But those who followed it on the television with the news, supposed news conferences, the no-comment conferences is what I call them, we spun the holy you-know-what out of that.
And I think that we did it for a good cause.
I think we did it because if they had said the T word, The markets would have dropped Friday.
Instead, they went zooming up 300-plus points.
Incredible, huh?
Or, yeah, on Friday during the day.
300-plus points up in the Dow.
Incredible.
So we didn't want to say the T-word.
That's my gut feeling.
Now, I could be all out to lunch on this, and it could be, you know, maybe it was some sort of employee previously or something like that, but Arab Man, LL Ticket Counter, random violence, Terrorism, as far as I'm concerned.
Isolated, perhaps, terrorism, but terrorism nevertheless.
It's just interesting, I think, watching our government spin that.
Just spin and spin and spin.
It was an amazing thing to watch.
With heavy rain falling once again, surging floodwaters ripped houses right off their foundations today, pushed up against dams already getting ready to break.
Trying to hold back swollen rivers across Central South Texas.
Hundreds of people have fled their homes now, joining more than 4,000 who have been forced out by high water in the past week.
The Medina River jumped its banks today, near Bandera, a community battered by days of flooding now.
And you wonder why I don't toy around with mass thought about the weather.
I just don't do that.
There's something really wrong with the weather.
We're not getting the weather we should be having at this kind of year.
And Texas, obviously, is getting the kind of weather they should not be having.
As I mentioned a moment ago, Wall Street went nuts.
324.53 ups to 90 ups.
324.53 up to 93.79.50.
324.53 ups to 90 ups 324.53 up to
9379.50 pretty good I would say and as a matter of fact
68.9 points on the Nasdaq which was probably wanting to go up very badly by now
ending at Now also on the 4th of July, the plane that crashed into the celebrating crowd at a suburban L.A.
park had trouble deploying its landing gear about a month ago, we now find out.
According to the co-pilot, they had a decent scare, said Greg Alder, whose 49-year-old father, Michael, was the co-pilot of the plane.
The older Alder, 49, pilot Michael Brand, 44, both of Glendora, died when the Cessna 310 crashed on the shore of a reservoir at a regional park in suburban San Dimas.
Two children on the ground, of course, also killed.
I'm sure you're aware of all this news.
Here's one more, actually a couple of more little items that I want to get out to you.
One, this story comes to us from Drudge, and good old Matt Drudge, boy, I'll tell you, Drudge can get them.
From Moscow, Dateline, Moscow Associated Press, Russian space officials proposed an ambitious project on Friday Get this, folks.
Are you ready to send a six-person team to Mars by the year 2015?
A trip that would mark a milestone in space travel and international space cooperation.
Russia's space program hopes to work closely with the American agency NASA and the European Space Agency to build two spaceships capable of transporting the crew to Mars, supporting them on the planet for up to two months, and then safely bringing them home.
The roughly 440-day trip is expected to cost about $20 billion, with Russia suggesting it will contribute 30% of that amount.
Can you imagine that?
The Russians are so broke.
30%?
Wow.
It must be an international project, the spokesman said.
No one country could possibly cope with a task alone.
Russian space officials said they are receiving Quote, encouraging signs of interest from NASA and other European counterparts.
Hmm.
But NASA spokeswoman Dolores Beasley said Friday the Russians have not submitted any formal plan and that the agency would not comment on the proposed trip before that point because of demands from Congress to scale back costs.
Human travel to Mars has not been on NASA's radar Recently, we are still very, very far away, conceded the head of the European Space Agency's permanent mission to Russia, but this kind of program is a long-term initiative for every space agency in the world, he said, adding that he held a meeting with Russian space officials this week to discuss this project.
So, the Russians, and it goes on, the Russians have had spectacular failures, of course.
They've really been after Mars for a long time, trying to get to Mars.
And they have what they call, in Russia, a Mars curse.
You know, with so many of the spacecraft disintegrating, meeting with a suspicious end.
In one case, a large object was seen headed directly toward a Russian spacecraft before it went into orbit.
And they just had failure after failure, but they, the Russians, oh, they really want to go to Mars, and they're talking to NASA.
Now, by the way, I wanted to mention, Richard C. Holland will have more for us when he has more for us.
They've not heard back from NASA yet.
But they're in anticipation.
There's really something going on with this.
I think we're, the world, I hope, is getting ready to go to Mars.
That would be so exciting, wouldn't it, in our lifetimes?
I might be sittin' in my rockin' chair, watchin' on my plasma television as we, as man touches down, I'd love that.
On the surface of Mars, spends a couple of months there, and I'll bet you they find life, I'll bet they find life.
Speaking of weird life, right at the very end of the program the other night, I got this incredible email, and this guy sent me these photographs, and I had the hardest time.
Cyberspace failed me!
Something failed, and I couldn't get it through to Keith until the gentleman who sent me the email sent it to Keith directly.
We have since cleared the trouble up, thank goodness.
But I want to read you this email that I got and reference my website.
I've received many suggestions about what this might be, but nobody's totally sure.
Here it is.
This creature, and we've got photographs of the whatever the hell it is, this creature squirmed out of the bullet hole of a freshly killed pika here in Montana.
We don't know what it is.
My son went camping out at Monarch and hiked several miles into the woods with his friends.
Late at night, they heard something out in the brush, and having a .22 with them, loaded it, got flashlights out, and started looking toward where the noise was coming from.
They spotted the pika, shot it, One time in the abdomen.
They then took it and sat it on a flat rock and kept the flashlights trained on it, thinking that something else might come to check the dead pika out.
Soon they noticed this, in quotes, creature wiggling out of the bullet hole, and grabbed a cup, and once it was out of the pika, put it in the cup with some water.
Now this, again in quotes, creature has a stinger at the slender end of its body that would stick in and out like a wasp and mouthparts with grabbing teeth at the fat end.
Yuck!
It had no eyes that we could see.
It also had in the mouthpart two holes in the mouth.
One hole for a throat and the other for bringing fluids up to the grasping area.
This creature was alive and not moving very much when I saw it the first time until I suggested they put it in warm, not hot, water.
Just warm.
When my son put it in warm water, that thing came alive big time.
It was moving around like crazy and seeing that the warm water made it think it was inside another animal and looking for something to attach its mouth to.
If any of your listeners, substitute that for readers, can identify this thing, That would be great.
The creature's dead now, we think.
And the pics I have do not show the stinger.
I wasn't about to get my fingers anywhere near that thing to take pictures of it with my cam, with that stinger and mouth going like it was.
By the time they brought it back to me, it had died.
Saw many movies where those things come alive and attack the amateur scientist.
Yeah, he's right.
He's absolutely right.
Uh, so...
We got this email up along with the photographs.
Take a look.
Anytime anything crawls out of a bullet hole, it gets my attention.
Yuck!
I mean, you shoot something and you expect it to be dead.
You do not expect things with big teeth to be crawling out of the bullet hole.
So that's up on my website now under What's New.
Entitled From Listener.
The Creature.
Well, maybe it's something well-known, but I sure don't know what it is.
I'll tell you.
All right.
I have, as you well know, I have a romance with the whole concept, the whole idea of time travel.
Time travel eats at me.
I'll tell you what, let's do our break, because otherwise I'll forget it.
I'll get so wrapped up, I'll forget my break entirely.
So let me do my my break and we'll come back and talk about time travel
Well, I I do have a romance with time travel Maybe it's a compulsion, maybe it's a... I don't know what it is, but I have it.
I know.
And as you know, I've been reading you stories.
I glommed on to this story the other day, and I'm going to lead you through it.
First story I got was as follows.
The headline is from Wireless Flash, Vatican sitting on time machine?
First, the Vatican was accused of hiding the records of priests who've abused kids.
Now it's being accused of hiding a time machine.
The machine in question is called A chronovisor was built in the 1950s by a Benedictine monk named Father Pellegrino Ernetti.
No photos of the chronovisor even exist, but paranormal journalist John Chambers says Ernetti reportedly used the Wayback Machine, that's in quotes, Wayback Machine, to film Christ's crucifixion for Vatican officials.
Ernetti died In 1994 it is, without revealing the secret of the chronovisor, but a chamber says evidence is mounting that the Catholic Church is hiding a working model from the rest of the world, supposedly to keep it from getting into evil hands.
Sound crazy?
Maybe.
But then again, there may be something to it.
Chambers says a Jesuit priest named Father Francios Brunet, I don't know if that's right, believes the chronovisor must exist because in the priest's words, quote, Ernetti wouldn't lie about such things, end quote.
Then a follow-up to that story as follows.
The Benedictine father, Marcello Pellegrini Ernetti, died in 1997, invented a method of recovering sound waves from the past and converting them into visual and acoustic reconstruction of history.
Father Ernetti, a professor at the Venetian Bendito Marcello Conservatory and Foundation, I'm slaughtering all of this, I'm sure, accomplished his research in collaboration with twelve physicists who remain anonymous.
In 1956, Father Ernetti began to investigate the possibility of reviewing the past with a television-like device.
This clears it up a little bit, maybe.
In 1957, He began collaborating with the Portuguese professor
De Matos, who was researching the same problem.
Ernetti's theoretical approach was based on Aristotle's concept of the disintegration of sound,
according to which light and sound waves do not disappear after being produced, but
are rather transformed in some way and remain present indefinitely. According to Ernetti, sound waves
subdivide into harmonics and can be recovered with appropriate instruments.
Ernetti stated that every human being traces from birth to death a double furrow of light
This constitutes his individual identity mark.
The same applies to an event, to music, to movement.
The antennas used in our laboratory enable us to tune into these furrows of pictures or sound.
Ernetti recovered photographs of events such as It's claimed the crucifixion of Christ and reconstructed acoustic events such as Quintus Inus tragedy, the original Latin from a performance in 169 BC.
He also claimed to have recovered the original text of the Ten Commandments given to Moses.
Oh my gosh!
Can you imagine that?
He refused to reveal any details of his invention and it has been thoroughly suppressed by the Italian government.
Father Ernetti warned that the machine can produce universal tragedy.
That should give you something to think about.
So this reporter, we found this reporter, Mr. Chambers.
And coming up after the break, we're going to put him on the air for you.
And so you can imagine, tonight we're going to be talking a lot about time travel.
I'm Art Bell, from the high desert.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
luckily in everybody because it's coming the
the End of the night now.
John Chambers.
We found John Chambers.
John Chambers is translator and commentator of Conversations with Eternity.
He has an MA in English and studied at the University of Paris.
Oh, I love Paris.
My wife and I love Paris.
God, that's a beautiful city.
His previous... French, that's different, but Paris, huh?
His previous translations include Phase One, CEQ Manifesto, He's been a full-time instructor in English at Dawson College, Montreal, an assistant editor at McGraw-Hill Publishing, and managing editor at International Thompson Publishing, both in New York.
He's written numerous articles on the paranormal.
John is the publisher of New Paradigm Books, who brought out the book Father Ernetti's Chronovisor.
The creation and disappearance of the world's First Time Machine.
Let me repeat the name of that book, all right?
Father Ernetti's Chronovisor, The Creation and Disappearance of the World's First Time Machine.
Here is John Chambers.
John, welcome to the program.
Thanks, Earl.
I'm glad you found me.
Oh, you know, I began to get these rather obscure stories about this, and I have this incredible romance with time travel, and I went, oh my God, could the Vatican... I mean, the Vatican Number one, they have a lot of secrets.
They keep all kinds of things secret, John.
They've got this whole area below the Vatican full of secrets, tunnels under the Vatican, and they've got the third secret of Fatima that I don't believe they've still told us the real truth about, the whole truth.
They've got power, they've got telescopes, and in Arizona they went zooming by all this uh... ecological problem that anybody else would have to get a telescope and they did the vatican is fascinating and so when i saw this story connected to a time machine in the vatican it about drove me nuts and i started to do some research and we found you so how did you get involved with all of this uh... long story early and let me think i a m i uh... you know sort of a journalist i went up to a young
Eric Von Daniken, Charity to the Gods Conference in Orlando, Florida, 1997, just because I covered that kind of thing, and I expected that the speakers would be, you know, rather elderly people of Von Daniken's generation.
I was fascinated by the subject, of course.
I got up there, and there were a whole bunch of young, brilliant speakers, Half from America, the other half from Germany, mostly Germany and Switzerland.
A fellow named Peter Krasse got up from Austria and gave a talk about Father Nettie's Chronovisor.
Peter had just published a book on Father Nettie's Chronovisor.
I had never heard of this before.
At that time I was starting a publishing company and it occurred to me that Maybe I should buy the rights to this book and translate it into English.
It was an astonishing subject.
Well, then it hit you exactly the way it did me.
I went, oh my God, this really could be true, and if the Vatican really did have such a thing, what would they do with it?
You bet.
Exactly what it is said here, they allegedly did.
Bernetti, I'm sort of repeating here what's in Peter's book, and we did a lot of research on our own and added sections and so on.
Bernetti was a Benedictine monk, Italian, a very brilliant man, became an expert very early on, became an expert on what's called polyphonic music, that's music That was composed from about 2000 B.C.
to 1000 A.D.
Renetti wrote a whole mess of books on the subject, also called archaic music.
He was world authority on Gregorian chant.
He held the only chair in the world on polyphonic music.
That all sounds like various forms of altered states to me.
Well, you've got a big point there.
But the thing is, first of all, the first thing about him holding this chair, I think, is to suggest that this is a considerable man.
He's a very, very learned and substantial fellow.
It's a little hard to dismiss him as a flake.
That's one of the things that got me very quickly.
And second, yes, it's true that when you get... I understand that when you get back into ancient Greek music, you're talking music of the spheres,
you're talking about vibrations passed through the ether or the astral fluid,
such was the theorizing then, and I think it
stands to reason that Ernetti must have had a lot of really arcane esoteric
knowledge about sounds and
very, very basic, primordial ways in which sound and sight were transmitted, as you
Well, listen, even modern music, even modern, relatively modern music, will put you into an altered state of sorts, so it may well be that music that old... Well, yeah, but maybe a much more profound state than we know of in our present-day society.
It's a little bit akin to these mantras that have been so fashionable for the last few decades.
These mantras that you hear repeated were supposed to have come to Sakyas and Yogis who have been meditating in caves for years.
These mantras were delivered straight to them from God, and who knows that there's not some kind of huge truth in this?
Listen, I studied Buddhism.
I studied Nichiren Soku, Soka Gai Buddhism.
In that, you chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, and it produces an altered state.
So, I mean, there's a lot to go on here.
In what way was Father Ernetti technical, or how did he get wrapped up with these physicists?
In other words, when did it move, do you think, toward this chronovisor, this look back in time?
Well, for sure he had a degree in quantum physics, subatomic physics.
He did?
Yeah, and along with having this tremendous knowledge of music.
Okay, let me stop you there.
That I don't understand.
How does a priest, how does a Benedictine priest get into, in other words, usually physics and hard science, and uh... the priesthood
they just mesh well one might think so you know i would have agreed
to accept that there's no doubt that that are many had this degree and did
do research and we're i i i don't know what what what what we're talking
about very very unusual manner
and you know and that's and that you know all the more a guy that you can't dismiss as some kind of plate
Whatever was going on, it's very hard to just dismiss him out of hand.
No, I'm not doing that.
No, I know that.
I know that, but generally speaking, that's what you come up against.
That's what I came up against when I began to research this material.
On the one hand, you do want to dismiss him because of some of his assertions and his claims.
On the other hand, you really can't.
What has happened recently, or I guess I'm sort of maybe kind of getting far away from your last question, what has happened?
No, no, no, just let me add here that I've interviewed a lot of the best, the world's best scientists, and I have no problem, you know, I pin people down, that's what I do, and I will frequently ask a theoretical physicist, or a physicist, or a man of science, do you believe in the God of the Bible?
You know, that's an uncomfortable question.
Most of them, when really pressed, You mean the exact God of... No, I don't.
I mean, that's what comes from hard science.
More times than not.
And that's why I said what I said.
So he's a priest and a physicist.
My goodness.
Anyway, so... Well, you're talking a real unusual man, that's for sure.
One thing that's happened recently is that...
First of all, there was Peter Cross's book in German, and then we translated Peter's book, made a lot of changes, we had a lot of new documentation, and those were the only books there were except that a few years before Peter brought out his book, You mentioned this fellow earlier also, a French Jesuit priest named François Brune, who's a well-known journalist in France, even wrote a best-seller on paranormal phenomena at one point.
Fr.
François Brune, I think it was 1994, wrote a book in which he had a long section on Fr.
Ernetti, and that was one of the first books that sort of put Ernetti and his achievements before the general public.
Although there had been lots of rumors for years about this chronovirus.
Well, one quote from him was that, in his opinion, no matter what else, Father Ernetti would not have lied about this.
Yeah.
The thing is that François Brune knew Ernetti well.
He encountered him when Brune was very young, he was about 23, and had been doing postgraduate, he was French, but had been doing some graduate studies in Rome.
And hitchhiked up to Venice to have a look at the Basilicas, and then bumped into Ernetti, seemingly by chance.
They talked, and Ernetti told him his story.
And Father Bruno was, of course, totally... His mind was blown.
Why do you think Ernetti told him the story?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe he sensed something sympathetic in Brun.
I don't know.
At this point, how old was Ernetti?
He was born in 1925.
He would have been about 37.
I think Brun was 15 years, maybe 10, 15 years younger.
So a relatively young man talking to a younger man and telling him, in essence I guess, that he had built this machine with the help of other physicists.
How long did it take?
In the doing, do you know?
I don't know anything about that, but two of the physicists that he claimed helped him were Wernher von Braun, I guess it were, a legendary physicist, and Enrico Fermi.
So already that sounds improbable already, I know that.
And it sounded pretty improbable to Father Bruhn.
But the thing is, Father Bruhn over the years would go around and see Ernetti and they would chat about all manner of things.
And always Francois Brun saw that Ernetti was a master of many fields of knowledge.
It was interesting and informed things he had to say about About theology, about... Well, do we know anything about the construction of the machine itself?
How long it was in construction?
Anything of the nature of it at all?
What do we know?
Yeah, we do.
Right?
Yeah, we do.
Well, we know what Ernetti said, anyway.
And it was... You know the Alley Oop comic strips.
I think they're still around.
The Alley Oop is the caveman who was brought forward through our time by Dr. One Mug in a time machine.
Yeah, yeah.
A lot of times we're seeing one mug standing in a little booth looking into a TV screen and watching Al Youp kind of cavorting several million years ago.
Apparently Ornetti's chronovisor was more of an apparatus that enabled him to see back And hear back through time.
Something like a TV screen, something like earphones, but very complex, like a little bath escape.
This was a machine, though, that used an antenna in receiving light and sound that exist always, that once produced are always essentially there, and you can somehow tune into them, and that would include, I guess, anything from the present until the That seems to be what Ernetti claimed, yeah.
You know, we used to talk a lot in both the Kashuk records and so forth, and today a lot of physicists are talking about how it is rather quite possible, maybe even probable, that all sounds, all sound waves, all light waves, you know, are kind of produced by us as we live.
They are absorbed into the environment around us, and they're there to be accessed if we can figure out how to access them.
And there's even a fairly well-known Nobel Prize-winning physicist, I think he's in France now, who was maybe born in Romania, who went to Greece and tried to access the memories of the columns of the Acropolis.
This is a very distinguished man.
I don't know how successful he was, but he tried to do this in some way.
You know, could he kind of hear sounds, see things from ancient Greece?
All right.
Do you know in what way these things were manifested?
I mean, what year was it again that Father Ernetti claimed he did this?
Well, this is in the mid-50s that he claimed that he developed them.
Mid-50s?
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that was gee whiz.
Television was a fledgling thing at that point, wasn't it?
Yeah, of course there was TV, it was certainly around, yeah.
It just started, right.
Fledgling, yes.
So, I wonder if it involved any modern technology married with some technology perhaps very ancient.
Yes, apparently that's exactly what it was, although I don't know exactly the appropriate word here.
Some kind of a combination of quantum physics and Astral, fluid, metaphysics, something.
He intimated these things.
He kind of, you know, dropped hints.
But the guy had a degree in physics.
He did a lot of experimentation.
And he had this very, very, really vast knowledge of very esoteric things, having to do, starting with ancient music.
He wrote about a hundred books in his lifetime.
A hundred books.
But still, there must have been this moment.
John, when Father Ernetti had perfected, to the degree that he had, the Chronovisor, and then he must have gone to the Vatican.
They must have started upstairs saying, look, I'm a priest and I have invented a way to look at the past.
What does the Vatican want me to do?
Well, likely he did something like that.
Maybe 10, 15 years of his life he'd stop talking about the Chronovisor and Francois Brune in his first book and also in a new book that's come out, he thinks that the Vatican told him to stop talking and then told him not to tell people that the Vatican had told him to stop talking.
But, you know, the thing is that one of the reasons why I got so interested is that you begin to think about, I'm sure you've thought about this for years, the implications of time travel.
Of course.
The power that it would bestow on the possessor and how power... Yeah, but this is not exactly the H.G.
Wells type machine where you actually physically go to the past.
It is, nevertheless, A way of bringing the past or verifying the past.
Yes.
And so they went to look at the crucifixion of Christ and reportedly got visual and sound reproduction of the crucifixion of Christ.
Is that what you've heard?
I don't know how probable that sounds.
Ernetti claimed to have gone, well I guess not seen and heard back, I guess maybe we can put it that way.
And to the crucifixion, and seeing Christ dying on the cross, and taking a photo.
And at some point, that photo sort of... He didn't release the photo.
At some point, it kind of got out.
The press got a hold of it.
Where is that photo?
It's in our... We reproduced it in our book.
What?
Yeah.
You reproduced the exact photo?
Yes, we did.
You have that photograph?
Sure.
Oh, John!
I have to... I better add that After a while it seemed that this was a fraud.
It was found that this photo of the face of Christ was a photo of Christ carved on a wooden cross in a small church in central Italy.
So it looked like fraud.
And, uh, so Fr.
Brun, Fr.
Brun, of course, who would see Ernetti periodically, put it to him and said, who couldn't believe that this very accomplished man would have to do something fraudulent, put it to him and said, what happened?
And Ernetti had an explanation for it, a very kind of ingenuous explanation, that Ernetti claimed that the, um, um, I don't know if I get the details right, it's in our book, Ernetti claimed that the wooden statue, the carving, the artist who did it had
been inspired by a nun who had mystical visions and had mystical visions of the crucifixion
of Christ.
So Hernetti kind of said, well, his vision, what he carved was the result of inspiration
because of a vision from somebody who herself also had the ability to go back and see.
Alright, alright.
Hold on.
We're at the top of the hour and we'll be right back.
John Chambers is my guest.
A time machine in the Vatican's hands.
What do you think?
I've been where the eagle flies.
Rode his wings across all the skies.
Kissed the sun, touched the moon, but he left me much too soon, his ladybird.
He left his ladybird.
Back now to my guest John Chambers.
is a...
So glad that we found you, John.
Alright, so he allegedly, nevertheless, photographed the crucifixion of Christ, but that wasn't all they allegedly did with it, is it?
No, he claimed to have gone a little farther back to Rome in 169 B.C., as I think you read earlier, and to have watched a tragedy, a play that's lost to antiquity, but we know that it's called Fiestas by a guy named Quintus Aeneas, and Brunetti claimed to have I guess it jotted down a bunch of the dialogue of this play to have come back or to have retrieved, using his chronovisor, a fragment of this play.
It has proof, I guess, huh?
Yeah, and we were very fortunate.
I made contact with Francois Brune while we were putting the book together, and he was good enough to send me a copy of the fragment.
In Latin, of course.
We got a Princeton professor, Ph.D.
in Classics to translate it for us and to write a commentary.
That's in our book, too.
It's really extremely interesting.
Okay, and your book, again, is called Father Ernetti's Chronovisor, The Creation and Disappearance of the World's First Time Machine.
I don't know what to say.
Also, I'd like to add one thing before I forget, and that is that he came to one point That they went a little, they saw a little bit into the future, just far enough to see a bank robbery taking place.
That's going to be my next question.
Could it go to the future?
Yeah, well, apparently he says that once they did look a little bit in the future, saw a bank robbery taking place and were able to call the police in the present and have it prevented, which is kind of reminds you a bit of this A new movie, Mournment, with Tom Cruise, Minority Report.
Oh, that's incredible!
That's absolutely incredible!
You know, and of course, I didn't see all that movie, just part of it, but there you see that this ability that these police have to look a little bit into the future and arrest people for murder before they murder, that ability has corrupted the police force absolutely, and that power has corrupted them.
And perhaps, I think Francois Brun feels that perhaps the Vatican is holding something, maybe not the coronavirus, but maybe the plans for it, because they're afraid people will be corrupted by it.
Alright, alright, that may well be, but let's, for a second, imagine the Vatican actually has a photograph of the crucifixion.
Now, if they really have that, well I guess, I'm trying to imagine why they would suppress it, because It would give so many people religion.
But the answer must be that in order to release that, they would have to release, I suppose, total information on how they got it, wouldn't they?
Well, they also might be afraid that something like a chronovisor would prove that the kind of standard Catholic, I don't know, standard Catholic version of what took place was not quite
true. I think they may be a little afraid that this that there are
that they've distorted things have been distorted through the centuries and yet they of course passed down
give us so much as black and white dogma.
Well, Father Ernetti warned that, and I'm quoting here, the machine can produce universal tragedy.
What do you imagine he might have meant by that?
I think here, I think he really meant that bad guys could get a hold of such a machine
and run the world and ruin the world. I think he meant that.
And it seems to me that's a real probability.
That's one of the things that makes this story, the Ernetti story, kind of, I won't say convincing,
but makes it, makes me think a lot about it.
Okay, well...
So then the ability to look into the past or look into the future, surely that could easily be used, particularly a glance into the future, to affect world events.
And that almost gets us to the big problem with all time travel.
Change of the past, maybe.
If you were to even... You always worry about altering the past, but if you were to alter the future, there could be equally dire consequences one might imagine for doing such a thing, for changing the future.
Well, I think so.
I'm no expert.
I know there's a... We've been in touch with another German author named Ernest Meckelberg, who's done a number of books on time travel.
Unfortunately, we haven't been able to contact him.
But he once said to me something like, You know, maybe some of the events that are taking place now have been kind of engineered from the future, that it wasn't supposed to be this way.
And, you know, the implications are... Well, I just got a quick call from Richard C. Hoagland at the top of the hour.
He said, oh my God, this is fascinating.
Did you know that Winter Von Braun worked with the French on... allegedly worked with the French on anti-gravity?
No, I didn't know that.
So, if that's true, then It might not be so wild that if Von Braun got information that there was something like this in the works, he might well have joined in.
It may not be so wild.
No, you know, we research this a lot, and as I said, we made a lot of changes.
We added a lot of new materials.
Our book is significantly different from Peter's, which is a wonderful book anyway, but it seemed
to us that Ferner von Braun just couldn't have been around at the time, or anywhere
nearby at the time that Rennetti was filling the machine.
But one doesn't know, of course, how much has changed and suppressed.
Rennetti says that somebody else who helped him was Enrico Fermi, and he did know Enrico
Fermi, we know that for sure.
So it's a vast, mind-boggling mystery, finally.
And you believe that the Vatican would imagine this to fall into the wrong hands?
I don't know what to believe, Art.
I know that Francois Brune got a new book out in February, a French publisher.
It's called, in English, The Vatican's New Mystery.
And he again covers this, you know, the Serenity Territory, that he covered first of all in 94, in another book, and he's read our book, of course, I know him, an excellent person, and he takes issue with some of the points that we raise, for example, our our translator, our Greek, our classics, Princeton classics
professor, translator of the Urnetti fragment from the past, she thought that maybe this was not
genuine, that Urnetti could have And she had offered certain proofs, not proofs, but certain bits of evidence to suggest, to very mildly suggest that.
In other words, to say that Ernetti lied about all of this is what that would be saying.
Well, she suggested that.
Well, but wait a minute here.
We've got, we've got a priest.
First of all, he's a priest and I don't expect him to lie, but get past that.
Then we've got a priest claiming that he's got this machine that can look into the past or even the future for that matter, and a priest Who is acquainted with quantum subatomic physics, a priest who has knowledge that most priests would never have in the hard sciences, and this doesn't sound like a joker of a man to me, it doesn't sound like a prankster of a man to me, does it to you?
No, and what you've just said is really kind of exactly the position that Francois Brune takes in his latest book, vis-à-vis some of the really mild comments of our excellent translator, He says this is not so.
This fragment of Latin, of course, Ernetti was also a great scholar of Latin.
Of course, all monks know Latin still, and you are particularly a great scholar of Latin.
And, you know, it could be argued that maybe he had the knowledge to put it together.
But Fr.
Bruhn says, who is also an excellent scholar of Latin, says, no, this is too complex, this piece, this fragment.
Father Broome wouldn't have done it and couldn't have done it.
It's too hard to do.
So that's a lot of issues coming here.
So what you just said is what Father Broome would have said vis-a-vis her remarks.
Now the Catholic Church, the Vatican, a big part of Catholicism, every religion really, is faith.
It's faith.
Now I wonder if having actual proof of the crucifixion, even if it was exactly As we have read in the Bible, having real, hardcore proof of that might remove that faith part.
In some way, the Catholic Church would not want it removed.
That's a terrific point.
I hadn't thought of that.
That's a terrific point.
What's the famous definition of faith that has to do with things unseen and things unheard?
Proof or disproof have nothing to do with faith, and so if you have proof... No, it's belief in something you can't prove.
Right.
So no, you're absolutely right in what you said.
So that would be something you suddenly could prove.
And then there's the other possibility, and that is that they filmed, or they got pictures of the crucifixion, and somehow it was not as described in the Bible, or in some way, a worrying way, different.
Did they describe Other than the photograph, which you've already talked about, did they describe anything that would have clashed with what we know biblically?
René does describe, he did describe to Bruhn, and we have it in our book, way back in 62, what he saw, and it doesn't differ very much from the standard version of the Bible in the New Testament.
A little bit, little bits and pieces here and there, Christ didn't say something that he's supposed to have said, and did say something that was not recorded.
What Ernetti said about the crucifixion, just very small deviations, but again you're looking at a, it's so complex really, you're looking at a priest who's loyal to the Catholic Church, who has faith, and maybe there's lots of things he's not going to say.
Is it also true that he claimed to have recovered the original text of the Ten Commandments given to Moses?
I mean, you can imagine this, this Kodak moment, you know, when Moses is holding the still smoldering tablets with the Ten Commandments on them.
Is that essentially what they claimed?
Well, I think that's in Peter's book.
We didn't put that in.
Sometimes, when things seemed a bit improbable, we didn't put that in.
Maybe we should have.
Of course, there's so much to say about it.
That's the thing.
I think I did hear that, but that's not anything Ernetti dwells on.
Mostly, he talks about the crucifixion.
He talks about this play that we don't have anymore.
The bank robbery?
I talked about the bank robbery.
Now, here's an interesting question for you.
If you were to be able to see a bank robbery that was going to occur, get to the police, prevent the bank robbery, you might, in that process, for example, prevent somebody from taking a bullet between the eyes, who otherwise would have taken a bullet.
Now somebody is not dying, who, in the scheme of things, was supposed to die.
People imagine only problems with changing the past, but I imagine the same problems inherent in changing the future.
In other words, if somebody lives to produce offspring, or become president, or blow up the world, or whatever lesser thing they might do in their life, but they live instead of die, then you might have the same paradox problem you've got with travel to the past.
Oh, I would agree.
I think that there's all kinds of You know, many people say there are all sorts of problems with time travel.
Maybe it's possible, but there may be all sort of overwhelming, and there are overwhelmingly a large number of reasons why we should never do it.
Which is again why, even if this man, who I, you know, I'm leaning toward, I mean, here we've got a physicist who consulted with how many other physicists in the world, by the way?
Well, he claimed 12, and I don't, we don't know very much about that, really.
You'd mentioned, you read something from another article of Matos the Portuguese, I'm
not sure, another physicist and we know he had something to do with him but we don't
know very much about that really and all of these people, these physicists denied, I think
they all denied, or not exactly denied ever having anything to do with the chronovisor but
they sort of didn't reply to their messages and had gone on vacation when they were
approached about this.
Oh, gee, I don't know much about that.
Gee, that sounds just like my own government here.
Yeah, yeah.
When they hold news conferences and stuff.
Yeah, it's a vast story.
The Russian press reported about 10-15 years ago that there had been attempts to abduct or netty certain foreign governments.
There's an awful lot of rumors And, uh, it's just, the more you get into it, the... On the one hand, you keep wanting to dismiss it.
On the other hand, you cannot dismiss it.
And Father Brun, finally, can't dismiss it.
He says, Rene was too fine a man.
He was too smart a man.
He was too accomplished.
Why would he... Make something of this scale up, yeah?
Why would he?
Yeah, why would he?
You know, I mean, the... And you say that in later years, uh, the Vatican, uh, told him, essentially, to clam up.
That's what Father Bruhn thinks, although apparently when the Vatican tells a priest to climb up, they also tell the priest to climb up without having been told to climb up.
So we don't have any kind of, you know, nobody saying, nobody will ever say, yes, that was the case.
Why not?
Do you know whether they went back and they looked and tried to look at, oh, I don't know, Adam and Eve?
Perhaps creation itself?
I can think of a lot of things I'd want to look at with such a machine.
Yeah, I don't... He doesn't... As far as I know, he didn't mention it.
He mentions having watched Cicero give an oration.
Wow!
And Ernetti even makes some comments on how Cicero's Latin was a little bit different than has been taught.
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Certainly it's available from Amazon.com.
And we've got a link that'll take you right to Amazon.com to the book.
And the book, again, is intriguingly called Father Neddy's Chronovisor, The Creation and Disappearance of the World's First Time Machine.
When did your book come out?
It came out about two years ago.
About two years ago.
Do you think that the publishing of your book is what spurred the stories that I read that got me so intrigued?
I'm not sure.
I think it may be the publishing of Father Broon's book, which in some ways sort of takes us to task, takes our book to task a little bit on certain things, because we are, I would say we are a little skeptical, but certain sections of our book raise doubts, and Father Broon reacted to that, and you know, He was quite sure all of this was very real.
Well, he doesn't know.
Again, when you're talking about Father Boone, you're talking about a very, very smart man, a very learned man, and a priest who is loyal to the Church.
And he just makes a gentle suggestion, but he does certainly feel strongly that the Catholic Churches is hushing up something.
Gotcha.
For our own good, for our own good.
John, for our own good.
We're going to be talking about... John, thank you so much for coming on the air with me.
My pleasure, Art.
You have a good night, my friend.
Thanks a lot.
I'm Art Bell, this is Coast.
once again uh... like can't resist calling attention to this
and As many of you know, some years ago, in fact, it was referred to by Paul Harvey the other day on his program.
I refer, of course, to the Madman Markham story, the man who stole the transformers.
It was a long story that with Unrolled unfolded on this program and Madman finally got a warehouse and got these giant transformers and got a generator and, oh my God, He was about to try it the last time we talked to him.
He was going to walk into this machine he'd made, and we've never heard from him since, and that's been years now and years.
Mentioned the other day by Paul Harvey, but I don't think he mentioned the whereabouts of Madman.
I kind of nicknamed him Madman.
His real name was Mike.
At any rate, I wonder what happened to him.
Now, you know, it's punctuated by the fact that I've had recent interviews with a man named Dr. David Anderson, who was very deeply, deeply involved in time travel.
He came on the program a number of times.
A very credible scientist involved in time travel experiments, and he's gone.
I'm telling you, he's gone.
And if you're out there, Dr. Anderson, contact me, but I'll tell you what, his website, his telephones, Cell phones, his everything, every way we had to connect to him is cut off, gone.
Now that's two people that I've interviewed that have just disappeared into the night.
Now at least one of the possibilities you have to imagine from all of that is that they tried their device.
So I want to talk about time travel.
I want to talk about this new incredible crop circle in Great Britain.
I want to talk about a lot of things, but mostly time travel, I think.
Obviously, as always, if there's anybody out there who seriously, now you listen to me carefully, if you seriously are claiming that you have traveled in time, I definitely want to talk to you.
I have a lot of things I want to ask you.
I firmly, I believe, you know, that time travel is real.
And that there probably are time travelers here now.
If time travel is to be real, then they are here now.
The famous saying, of course, was, if time travel is real, then where are all the time travelers?
Well, I propose to you they are here.
Or perhaps they are just watching now, so to speak.
Maybe they're not really here physically, maybe like the chronovisor.
It's only possible to view time, either in the past or to the future, but we know that Renowned physicists and this priest were working on it.
We know that probably something really happened, that the Vatican may well be hiding this.
What would you have looked at if you had something like the chronovisor and you could look either into the past or the future?
What event would you go for?
Would you view the matter of your own demise, your own death?
Would you look at the crucifixion?
Would you want to know?
Would you look at Adam and Eve?
Would you look at the moment of creation?
Would you look into the future and notify the police about a bank robbery?
What would you do?
East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hello?
Yes, hello.
Yes, this is Marianne from Syracuse, New York on WSYR 570.
That's the way to do a promo, Marianne.
Thank you.
Well, thank you.
Just prior to when you returned, somebody called Barbara on a Saturday night and they were talking about Madman.
Yes.
And this man said he had been looking at microfiche of old papers, newspapers from the 1930s.
And there was an article about a man, I believe it was Michigan, near Lake Michigan, was found crushed to death in a tube.
In a tube?
In a tube.
Now didn't Madman used to say he went into a tube or something when he No, no, not a tube.
Oh, I know now what you're referring to.
No, he had sort of a gate-like device that was creating this field that he claimed... He first made a small model and threw a little bolt, you know, a little bolt, a metal bolt through it, and the metal bolt disappeared as it went through the device and then reappeared on the other side.
Madman was going to expand and build a large model.
That was just a scale model.
And he was going to build a large model.
And I could not discourage him.
He was going to walk through this field that he created.
So not so much a tube.
Well, the man said, the article stated that a mammoth found crushed to death in a tube.
And the clothing was not from the 30s.
They didn't understand what the clothing was from.
But the gentleman said there was something that was found with the body, which the police, of course, did not recognize.
Yes.
And they had a photo of it, and he said it was a cell phone.
Well, you know, maybe it was, and maybe it wasn't Madman.
Who's to know?
But maybe it was certainly an example of some kind of time travel gone wrong.
Wow, fascinating.
I know, and the other thing I wanted to tell you is that you were talking about our eyes are seeing faster now.
That vibrationally we're beginning to see higher frequencies, yes.
Prior to my getting digital cable in, I would see shadow people now and then.
After I had the digital cable put in, we've been seeing things all the time in the house.
Ah, welcome to the world.
Thank you very much, yes.
The theory here being And this extends not just to digital television, but to, for example, very high frequency monitors.
Very, very, very high frequency monitors that we're all using now.
The newer ones have incredible refresh rates and the frequencies that you're watching when you spend a very great deal of time in front of your computer or your digital TV or HDTV or whatever.
A much higher frequencies and it may well be that these are in effect training our brains to begin seeing in new frequency spectrums and that would account for seeing new things and even new creatures!
Yes!
We've discussed that heavily as one possibility and that in effect we may be providing our own evolutionary path.
In the sense that with the development of our technology, we are beginning to, in the very literal sense, open our eyes to things we have never seen before.
And that takes us to the shadow people and discussions of different dimensions and all kinds of interesting things.
Is it not a wonderful time to be alive?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, I'm calling from Ithaca, New York.
Ithaca, New York, okay.
Yes, and we don't have a radio station here.
I'm very impressed that you were able to get through on the west of the Rockies line from Ithaca, New York.
Oh, West of the Rockies Line?
Is that what I call it?
That's what you call it.
Somehow.
Oops, I thought it was Wild Card.
Or Wild... Wild Line.
Well, they sequence up, so that's how you ended up here.
Okay, that's fine.
Okay.
Well, at any rate, I'm calling about the camera of past events as was written in the Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East.
Yes.
And it was, well, written by Baird Spalding.
And it's a five volume book.
In volume five, which was published in 1955, they talk about Baird Spaulding and Steinmetz and Edison working together on a camera of past events.
Really?
Sounds like the Chronovisor, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Baird Spalding worked with Dr. Steinmetz for about nine years on this and ultimately, let's see, they were able to go back in time and Dr. Steinmetz said they could go back to one million years.
My God!
Yeah.
A million years.
A million years, you're right.
But the first event that they tested was... May I ask you a question?
Yes.
There is so much argument about the evolution of man, or the creation of man, that can you tell me anything at all about what they reported 2,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, 10,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago?
In other words, what do we know about mankind?
Well, in this particular volume, he just talks about two events.
One was George Washington's inaugural address in New York City, which they actually saw and heard.
And then the other was the Sermon on the Mount.
Wow!
And again, it's light and sound.
Yes, exactly.
Light and sound.
Wow!
Let me ask you a question.
If you had a device of that kind, what event would you first and most want to see?
Oh, gosh.
And that could be in the future or the past.
Apparently.
Well, maybe the Sermon on the Mount would be a good one to start with.
It would, wouldn't it?
Yeah.
If you could understand it.
Right.
So you're giving cooperating evidence for a parallel attempt, and actually, It sounds like it's pretty close to the same years, too.
Well, it is.
And he also mentioned Leonardo da Vinci and something to do with the Vatican in here.
The Vatican?
The Vatican.
You don't happen to have the exact reference in there to the Vatican, do you?
Well, let's see.
He was going back...
Let's see, how does this tie in with this?
It's in this chapter.
Talk about things that... Synchronicity?
Yeah, synchronicity.
I mean, you fall into a story that you haven't heard about before, and all of a sudden, not only do we now have one story, but we have two stories about the same technology developed roughly at the same time, doing roughly the same kind of thing.
That's incredible.
Right.
And then that technology, all of a sudden, Poof!
Disappears.
Unless you're listening to a program like this one, you're not going to hear about this.
When was the last time you were at NBC reporting on the Chronovisor?
Never.
Never is right.
Alright, well listen.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
And isn't that interesting?
Now we've got another path to look down.
Oh my.
Could it be?
that the ability to look into time past or future is something that's well established and being hidden from us all for perhaps you've got to imagine for perhaps good reason I suppose but I am so driven to find out about this and I wonder myself I am in fact so driven and so compulsive about the the whole time thing that if I were to actually get the opportunity to give it a try even knowing the possibility that it could be a one-way trip I don't know well I'll tell you my head you know it's like your your finger hovering over the enter button right when you just put in the uh... the uh... the disk destroy command you know your finger kind of hovers above the the enter command and you wonder whether you really should do this whether you're about to blow your
Computer into a total new dimension from which it will never recover.
One little keystroke.
One little button.
I probably would.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Aloha, how are you?
Oh, from Hawaii, huh?
Uh, a lot of time I spend out there.
Uh, you're not there now?
No, I'm not.
Where are you?
I'm in Incline Village, Nevada.
Okay, excellent.
Welcome to the program.
Thank you.
I'd like to offer maybe kind of a refreshing approach to the concept of time travel.
Let her rip.
There is, on the cutting edge of physics, the thought that there is no time.
Yeah.
And that the universe is actually a space-place continuum.
That time really is our invention.
So to speak.
Well, I mean, we know.
I can look at a clock, right?
And I watch it go tick, tick, tick.
And so, there is that.
I mean, there is that measurement.
It's one object measured against the movement of another, I suppose, if nothing else.
You know, the beginning of, in quotes, time.
That's how you'd measure change, or the delta between two objects in movement.
Before that, there could be no time.
So time could be really our invention, and probably is, I guess.
Having a lot to do with two vibrational concepts of light and sound.
Yes.
And it's extremely interesting that you would mention that this new crop circle was like a snowflake.
I think I said, my wife said, Rose, it could be snowflake.
I don't know.
Have you seen it?
I can imagine what it is.
Oh, I don't know if you can.
To answer a question also that you asked about time travelers being here, yes, they are.
Well, wait a minute.
You say that in an affirmative way.
Like, you know?
Yes, I do.
How do you know?
What I would tell you is what I could offer you is something called a Merovingian Crystallic.
What's that?
What was called the Merovingians were the first thrometers or sorcerer kings of Gaul.
And they were the Franks.
And they were the ones that civilized Gaul over the Celtic tribes.
And very incredible reign.
But I mean, how do you know affirmatively there was time travel?
You haven't told me that.
Affirmatively, because for one, there is no time.
The universe is a basic crystallography.
Alright, what that means is, if we look two-dimensionally upon it, it looks something like a honeycomb.
Okay.
And therefore, bees were considered sacred in ancient time, and so on and so forth.
So that, what you see, on a two-dimensional level, is expounded upon by those people, such as Carl Sagan, who, in contact, created a machine that was a rhomboid dodecahedron.
Yeah, but you still have not explained to me how you know yourself, personally, it's true.
I've traveled.
Oh, sure.
now we get to it uh... listen can you afford to uh...
i hang on through the uh... the break coming up uh... because when when when you make a statement like i
have traveled you stop me cold
alright alright stay there it looks like we've got one on our hands
you will hear this tonight people who claim to have traveled in time
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All right, right to it now, and back to my first-time caller.
You left us saying you had traveled in time.
I want to hear about that.
Well, you'd have to ask me a specific question.
It'd be more helpful if you asked how one would go about that.
All right, fine.
How does one go about that, sir?
Okay, for one, Vatican and any other devices that are claimed to be mechanical and material are brutal.
And very primitive.
Maybe.
And the Vatican itself is of that mode.
Maybe.
But again, I throw your question at you.
How does one go about that?
Okay.
In order to be able to develop the consciousness to be able to travel in time requires much discipline.
It is something that's held within a person.
Okay, then you're telling me, cutting to the chase, you're telling me this is an inherent Ability of human beings to do in their own, it's done in your mind?
Every single person on earth can be apprised of it, can be told how to do it, and they can fully function doing it.
And where did you travel in time?
Where did I travel to?
Or when?
How can you say it?
It's like choosing words very carefully when you start to speak about it.
Like I said, the universe is a space-place continuum.
Okay, fine, but... So, there is no time.
Yes, but you... There is no time.
You traveled, then, to what event?
I've not traveled to any specific event.
It's not that kind of discipline.
You don't go, well, I'm going to go to, for instance, a starburst in the constellation Lyra.
Alright, fine.
Describe to me, then, what you felt, saw, or sensed when you did what you're talking about.
Mostly, when you call light and sound vibration, you're more cognizant of sound than you are of light.
Sound has a deeper vibration.
In the beginning was the word.
This is an intuition of that.
It is a sound vibration that carries you, and what you feel is absolute joy.
You expand Over time, and it can become like, and once again it's not time, expand over space, where what you witness are crystallic cells.
Alright, well thank you very much.
In my mind then, what you did, you may think of time travel, it sounds like an out-of-body experience.
You know, the joy that you described is consistent with an OBE.
Now, whether you actually traveled in time or not and did it within your mind, I don't know.
And for all I know, bees are a manner of travel in time.
I'm not sure.
I guess none of us are really sure about that, are we?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, this is John in Boulder, listening on KHOW in Denver.
In Denver?
Yes, sir.
First, I have a question for you, Art.
If you had a chronovisor, what would you like to see?
You know, I think the answer to that is creation.
Oh, cool.
I think that's my answer, creation.
If I were to see the crucifixion, for example, I would know that a man of flesh had been crucified.
But I don't know that that would nail it all down for me.
And I don't know what would, short of actually seeing the manner of creation itself.
But that might be a little much to reach for.
That's my answer.
Now, I want to tell you, I've got a different take on time travel than your previous caller.
For the past 25 years, I've been teaching people a method for Doing basically what you can do with a chronovisor, that is to remote view anything you want to see in time or space.
Yeah, but that's not the same as a chronovisor, because a chronovisor was a machine.
Exactly.
It was an actual machine, most likely with something like a television screen that actually allowed you to look into the past, not a discipline of the mind, although that may have been some part or parcel of the whole thing, but rather an actual machine that brought Yes, it's okay.
It's not something you can take pictures of, but it is a very specific method that will awaken your ability to remote view.
I have to tell you, it's not just imagination.
You don't just get fuzzy impressions.
No, I understand.
Listen, the bar was passed for me on remote viewing a long time ago.
I believe very well in remote viewing.
It seems to move through time, but it's still a mental discipline as opposed to a machine, which really does fascinate me.
Oh, I'd like to have one, too, believe me.
Well, alright, let me turn your question back on you, if you could view but one event.
What would you go for?
Well, let me give you an example of what we did just recently.
One of my favorite viewers, he... I said, let's look at how they built the pyramids.
Yes.
That's something that's always fascinated me.
And?
Okay, what he saw was it looked like some form of alien being He said they were very strange looking.
They looked almost like large insects that moved at a very rapid, very jerky kind of way.
They commanded these, looked like drone-like creatures that actually did the labor.
They used these very long, very large magnetic bars.
They seemed to be like, you know, huge magnets.
Boy, I need to introduce your friend to a man named Zahi Awass.
Crush your friend like a bug.
Like one of the bugs he was talking about.
All right, thank you very much.
So, some sort of alien beings building the pyramid.
Believe me, you talk to Dr. Hawass, who, by the way, has been elevated to some great new position, though maintains active control over the Giza area.
He's apparently been really promoted, so he's even a much higher official now in the Egyptian government.
You go tell him a story like that, he'll bury you, he'll put you in the sand upside down.
You don't want to hear that stuff.
The Egyptians built the pyramids.
That's Zion.
He will take you, he took me anyway, and my wife, to the place, or places I should say, not known to the public, where those who built the pyramids are themselves entombed.
Pretty serious stuff, so you better not talk to him about bugs.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, on the air.
It's time.
Here you are.
I'm listening on WRVA out of Richmond.
Richmond, Virginia.
Yes, sir.
I want to tell you about an experience I had maybe a year ago in a Wal-Mart.
I was out of it.
You have all places.
You really have a Wal-Mart.
We're going to get a big new 177,000 square foot super Wal-Mart here in Little prompt about it, and we're all waiting for it.
So you're telling me you can have a cool experience at a Walmart, huh?
Well, what it was, on the surface it looked like it could have been an ordinary happening, but it was just so unusual that you wouldn't think of it as happening every day.
I was in there with my girlfriend, and she was looking at something.
We were near the entrance, and I saw a woman walk in.
She was pushing an empty shopping cart, and she had her daughter with her, and as they passed by me, the daughter Reached her arms up over her head like she was stretching, and I didn't think anything of it.
I just, you know, regular, everyday happenstance.
Walked on by, filed it away in my mind, looked up about two or three minutes later, and the exact same thing happened.
The woman walked in, same woman, same little girl, pushing an empty shopping cart, and when they got to the same position I had perceived them to be before, the girl did the exact same motion.
That's not strange.
Well, here's a small point.
In most Walmarts I've been to, you don't get a shopping cart until you get inside.
You don't push an empty one in.
You know, you get them inside, and then push it around, and then you don't come in with one.
In Colonial Heights, all the time I see empty shopping carts strewn all about the parking lot.
Alright, so in other words, you're telling me you saw the exact, exact same sequence occur twice.
Exactly.
And at first I thought, that's strange.
Then I really thought about it and thought, Even if it was the same person walking out and then walking back in, why would they do that?
Why would I have seen them go out?
Because, you know, unless they walked all the way... And you're telling me you saw, like, the stretch.
Everything the same?
Exactly.
Everything.
And I asked my girlfriend, and she thought, of course, she missed it.
She didn't see it.
But every... and I thought... I just thought about this late... earlier tonight.
I didn't observe anything else going on Around me, any of the other people, I didn't think to look if any of the other events.
Well, that's the one thing you saw, but maybe there were other events.
Maybe there was some kind of little slip in time, huh?
Yeah, and it wasn't like deja vu.
It was like, oh, I think I saw it before.
It was like I saw it the first time, and then I saw it a second time.
It was like I knew I'd seen it before.
It was the same thing twice, basically.
No, I've got you.
Maybe some sort of little slip in time.
Did you consider that possibility at the time?
That was exactly what I was thinking.
My friends always called me weird.
But I considered that and I thought, you know, how strange.
Maybe it was something like that little loop or something.
I thought, you know, was it possible that I might have been able to see myself if I'd looked around?
But I hadn't moved from that position.
So I don't see how I would have superimposed myself.
So I don't know if it was just the woman and her daughter slipping through time or if all of time repeated.
And I was the only one that witnessed it.
And that's the only detail of it that you happened to notice.
That's fascinating.
All right, sir.
Something similar to that happened to me again maybe two or three months ago.
Oh?
Right here in front of my own house.
Except this time I wasn't standing in one place.
I was walking across my yard.
And?
And the neighbor across the street, I saw her drive into her driveway.
She pulled in her driveway and saw her stop her car.
And as I walked maybe about a couple hundred feet to my front door, I looked.
And I saw her pulling into her driveway again.
And of course, I jumped back out the door.
I looked to see if I could see myself in the yard, but I couldn't.
But it's possible she has a circular driveway.
It's possible she could have driven around her house and then turned around and come back in.
But why would she do that?
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
That's very interesting.
In other words, is that coming from... Is that an effect that you are simply noting or noticing and a real effect produced by some external force?
Or is it something that's happening to just you?
Hmm.
I don't know.
We understand so very little about the nature of time itself.
And whether it's nothing but our invention, in which case to travel through our perceptions about time might not be so difficult, not if you really understood it, huh?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Oh, hi.
Calling from the high desert.
I listen to KFI in Los Angeles.
The mighty 640.
Yeah.
And I wanted to say, with reference to a previous caller and your comment also, you don't need a machine art and if you could fly, why would you want to use an airplane?
In Tom Brown's books, and he has two series, the Nature Skills series and an autobiographical series, and he was taught by a stalking wolf, Lipan Apache, who had been raised in the traditional way.
Completely isolated from white men.
And this man was very gifted from youth.
He was recognized as having wonderful gifts.
And he was trained as a shaman and a scout.
And Tom was trained by Stalking Wolf, a fulfillment of one of Stalking Wolf's visions.
And for 10 years, Tom and Stalking Wolf and Stalking Wolf's grandson spent every moment they could in the pines of New Jersey.
In an incident, going back in time.
All right, but I want to just stop you long enough to say, look, I consider the possibility of both the physical and the metaphysical.
I'm a hands-on kind of person.
I've been in electronics all my life, and so I tend to think in terms of machines, and it may well be that there are ways to look through this same medium, time, or whatever we want to call it, with a machine as it is to do it metaphysically.
So what I'm saying is both May be possible, just to understand the kind of person I am and why I look at it the way I do, but I understand that what you're saying may be absolutely valid.
All right, you can pick apart the atoms, Mr. Physicist, but Tom Brown is alive, he still teaches in New Jersey, and I just want to quickly relate an incident from his book that I think will be very satisfying to you.
Sure.
It's something you've obviously been searching for.
Tom and the two boys, I mean, Stalking Wolf and the two boys were on an ancient Indian trail in the Pines.
And Tom found an artifact and he didn't know what it was.
And Stalking Wolf said, go back and ask.
And because of what he had learned from Stalking Wolf, he was able to do that.
And he witnessed at that time and in that place, the ancient trail of a small Indian, the small, the Indian tribe, the small Indian tribe walking along that ancient Indian trail as they periodically did to the seacoast.
And at the end of the line was this Indian girl and she had this artifact on her back and uh... through uh... it and tom
discovered that it was a berry masher
but he witnessed it being there and uh... and he said that in that line of indians
there was an old indian who he knew knew tom was there
no one else in that line of indians knew tom was there but that old indian dead
now tom is alive he teaches in asbury park new jersey and what does he say about all this now
now now it's part of
what tom learned from stoking wool and what was uh...
so enriched all of the
uh... native traditional indian cultures in this country and it was the
duality You learn to become one with the earth and then you go through that door into the spirit world and all of these things that you talk about are there for us and we need, although I know you would pick it apart intellectually,
But we learn it as all part of God's universe.
And he would be a fabulous man to interview.
He's very down-to-earth.
I'll look into it.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
Take care.
No, absolutely I'll look into it.
Nor do I dismiss either path.
I simply tend to concentrate.
When I hear the words time machine, I go berserk.
And I want technical details.
I want to understand the technical aspects of how this is done.
It may well be that this ability, this ability to travel dimensionally or within time or within space or however, whatever words we care to put to all this, it may be that that's where the metaphysical and science collide.
And I believe that eventually the metaphysical and science absolutely are going to collide.
and so it may be that in this realm one can in some technical manner either view or travel and it may be that physicists back in the fifties as we've been discussing tonight in two parallel cases did in fact find a way to to look back and or ahead in time and it may also be That Native Americans and others who practice various aspects of altered states are able to travel themselves into the same area, into the same time, into the same news space, or whatever.
So, down the road, that may be exactly where the scientists, the physicists, and the Metaphysical folks are going to meet and all of a sudden one is going to explain the other.
Or maybe it'll be that one will in an essence verify the other.
What a world, huh?
I'm Mark Bell.
I'm Mark Bell.
once again uh... over life we're talking about uh... mainly time travel but it's
kind of wandering all over the place i mean you want to talk about a certain
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time caller line you're on the air high uh... limited and going from lafayette louisiana hello david
I was just wondering, it's a fascinating program.
Yes, sir, it is.
I seem to recall that when you had Nick Bakich on, he was talking about investigating his father's plane crash.
Oh, yes.
In Alaska.
And I was wondering, it seems like he said that he came across an FBI intelligence report claiming that the crash survivors were being tracked by a new technology, presumably something other than satellite.
Yes, I recall that.
I was wondering, You know, the crash site was Alaska, and that's where HAARP is.
That's right.
And HAARP deals with harmonics and antennas and things like that.
It sure does.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I was wondering if you thought there was a connection.
And also, Hale Boggs, who was the other person in the plane crash, his wife went on to become the ambassador to the Vatican.
I was wondering if that was another coincidence.
Yeah, there's an interesting one to toss in.
Maybe you could Ask Mel Gibson's father or something.
I appreciate the call, sir.
Thank you.
Take care.
Oh, interesting.
This whole thing is going to haunt me until the day I die.
Whatever day that is.
It's going to haunt me.
The whole concept of time and what it is.
And I guess it may be that with the exception of those who have developed The technology that we heard about tonight, or those who have developed the metaphysical ability to travel, they might have some of the answers.
Or it may well be that until we leave our physical body, we don't get these answers.
But many of us keep trying.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
This is Joe, listening on KLBJ 590, Austin, Texas.
That's a way to do a promo.
Yes, sir.
How are you doing tonight?
I'm fine, Joe.
I had a question and a suggestion for you.
First, the suggestion.
You had a guest on Very Interesting Wine talking about the Bell Witch case.
Oh, yes.
I'm trying to forget parts of that.
You told how you had lost the family heirloom with your life, the family tree on it, the cane.
Our cane, yes.
Actually, what happened is it was given, of course, to my father when my parents split.
I was actually in the Air Force when that happened.
It was given to my father in his custody.
Lost it somehow, in some way, and my father has now, of course, passed away, and it's missing, yes.
Have you considered remote viewing it?
Getting it remote viewed?
No, I hadn't considered that, but I'd consider it right now.
Oh, Ed.
Ed Dames called me earlier today.
Maybe one of the remote viewers out there would be willing to take on this task.
It is an object, a specific object, and it would be an ideal remote viewing target.
Good going, sir.
And the question, when I was living in Atlanta about three or maybe even four years ago, I mailed you a copy of the 1938 or 39, I don't remember, Orson Welles paper.
The Martian Hoax.
I was wondering if you ever got that.
Oh, yes, I did indeed.
Good.
All right.
All right.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
Oh, now there's an interesting suggestion.
It's true.
My family goes way back, right to the Mayflower.
You know, you hear a lot of people say that, but it's really true in my case.
My mom would verify that for you, and she will.
I should have my mom back on the Earth.
It's been a long time.
Hey, Mom!
How about it?
Goes back to the Mayflower.
And we had a cane, a family cane, that got lost, as I just described.
Would that be an interesting item for a remote viewer to To take off after?
You bet it would.
So Ed, or any other remote viewers who are listening, have a go at it.
That cane obviously would exist.
It was held, it was always, I can remember as a child, that cane was over our fireplace.
For all of my childhood, it was over our fireplace.
It was held sacredly, you know, and placed wherever we moved, and we were a military family, we did a lot of moving.
It was always kept over the fireplace and it got lost.
So that cane exists somewhere.
And on that cane were inscribed the name of all the Arthur Bells going back, right back to the Mayflower.
And so that cane probably, I mean, nobody would destroy it.
It was a beautiful thing and it had these inscriptions in brass.
The handle of the cane was brass and it was all inscribed in brass and my name My father's name was all supposed to go on there.
I think my father's name did go on there.
Memories of this are kind of foggy, but I believe my father's name did go on it.
My name was to go on it.
And that game exists somewhere.
It's out there somewhere.
I'm sure nobody would turn such a beautiful thing into firewood.
So it's out there somewhere.
Remote viewers, where are you?
Okay, first time caller online.
You're on the air.
Good morning!
Hi, Art.
How are you?
I'm okay, sir.
Where are you?
I'm calling from Chicago, listening to WLS AM in Chicago.
The Monster in Chicago.
Yes, sir.
Well, I wanted to run by you this experience that I've had since, actually, I was a child.
And I've had some... I don't want to say psychics, but some people that are familiar with this, and I cannot for the life of me remember what they called it.
Well, what is it?
Well, ever since I was a kid, I would get this sensation in the middle of the night that I would literally wake up to my bed shaking.
This happened to me quite frequently about 18 months ago when I was doing some work.
Oddly enough, it never happens when my wife is in bed with me.
It only happens when I'm in bed by myself.
And what happens?
I literally wake up from a sound sleep to the bed shaking violently.
And I've had some people tell me that I'm actually, I don't know if I'm subconsciously or however it happens, I'm actually being taken to a different place and time.
Let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this, when you wake up, number one, are you sure you're awake?
Yeah, my wife asked me that same question.
I'm absolutely positive because... Alright, and so then you're also absolutely positive that your bed actually, physically, when you say shaking, you mean just like shaking or... Yeah, not like exorcist shaking where the thing is levitating, but I mean to the point where it's like, you know, the headboard hitting the wall.
That's shaking.
And it lasts long enough that I'm awake and I wake up and I'm conscious of the fact that the bed is shaking.
And at one point it was happening so much that I was like, oh, for crying out loud, not again.
And it would shake for, I don't know, maybe five seconds or seven, five to ten seconds after I would wake up.
And so anyway, I don't know what was causing it, but I do get déjà vu all the time.
I'm constantly in kind of a deja vu state where something will happen and I don't... I can't explain why I know where I've been or what I've... you know, I'm seeing it again for another time, but I... Yeah, a deja vu may be a kind of time travel.
In other words, when you have an experience and a deja vu is simply suddenly feeling as though you've been in the room before, you've done whatever you're doing before, that's deja vu.
You've exactly done it before.
There are those who would say, that it is kind of time travel in the sense that you are living an experience in this life that you have experienced in some other life and subconsciously at a level just below current consciousness you know you've done that before because you have done that before follow me
A wild card line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Uh, yes, sir.
This is Jeremy from Texas.
Hello, Jeremy.
Uh, yeah, I was calling and, uh, I saw the, uh, I was listening to your show the other night and, uh, I saw the, uh, saw the, uh, rabbit on the creature thing.
Are you talking about what I've got up on the website?
Yeah.
The creature?
Yeah, I know exactly what that is.
And what do you think that is?
Um, it's a wolf.
They're like parasites that get on rabbits in the summertime.
Well, they get on cottontail rabbits.
But, hold on a second.
Why would this crawl out of a bullet hole?
Well, they get in there, and I know they get out.
I've seen them a thousand times.
We've killed all kinds of rabbits that have them all over them.
And you've seen them crawl out of bullet holes?
Well, no, but we've skinned the rabbits and seen them all over the rabbits.
Oh, yuck.
Well, that's all I have to say is yuck.
I mean, when I shoot something, I don't want to see anything crawl out of the hole at all.
It gets pretty rough, I guess, but I mean... Totally gross.
Sometimes in the summertime, like from May to about June, you don't really shoot the cottontails because they got them all over them.
Yeah, yuck.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much.
If that's what it is, that's what it is.
I don't know.
All I know is if I shoot something, I damn well don't want to see anything living, particularly with big teeth, crawling out of the bullet hole.
On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Um, this is Bill.
That's me.
Um.
Turn your radio off.
Are you?
I'll wait while you turn it off.
Yeah, it's off.
Okay, good.
Where are you?
I'm in Alberta.
I'm in Calgary, Alberta.
In Calgary, Alberta.
Alright, very good.
What's your first name?
Richie.
Richie, what's on your mind?
Are you still talking about that time travel?
Yeah, we're talking about... Yes, we are, Richie, and a lot of other things.
What do you know?
I basically believe in that... Do you know those stories about that dude who invented that bike travel machine?
The what now machine?
He's basically a famous author who wrote a story about the time machine.
Well, there was H.G.
Wells.
Yeah, H.G.
Wells.
Yes, what about him?
Um, do you think that would be a possibility?
His machine?
Oh, you mean to have a machine H.G.
Wells style?
Yeah, they got a lot.
Oh, okay, Richie.
Do you think his story?
Do I think it could be?
Yes, of course I think it could be.
Of course I think it could be, Richie.
Yes, that's what I've been talking about all night, with this chronovisor, and or even a machine like the H.G.
Wells machine.
For all we know, physical time travel absolutely is possible.
Now, when you talk to today's modern theoretical physicists, they're going to tell you that they too believe it's possible, but it would take energy, or an amount of energy, that a modern man cannot amass.
It's kind of an interesting road that we're going down right now.
In other words, modern theoretical physicists are beginning to see how time travel can occur.
They're simply saying the limitation that we've got right now, the reason we can't do it is because we don't have enough energy.
But they talk of black holes and event horizons and wormholes and all that sort of thing.
So while once mainstream science was laughing At time travel.
It is not now.
It is, in fact, is saying it's probably possible, but we just don't have enough energy.
Well, that's a pretty big leap, I would say, from laughing at it to, yes, we now think it's possible, and then it's just one more leap to, hey, guess what?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hey.
Hello.
Turn your radio off, please.
Oh, sorry about that.
That's all right.
I'll wait.
I knew better.
Okay.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Orlando, Florida.
Winter Garden, actually.
Okay.
Very good.
Proceed.
Hey, my name's Gilbert.
I'm in Winter Garden, Florida.
Got that.
This is Art Bell, right?
Yes, yes.
Right number, then.
I had a strange experience with time when I was a child.
I was a child in almost my teen years.
Man, my hands start shaking when I talk about this.
I haven't talked about it in so long.
Yes, sir.
I want to preface it with I'm a born-again Christian and absolute believer in what would happen.
It started when I was about 8 years old.
I got my first motorcycle at 10 years old.
I remember it must have been around, I was around 8 or 9.
Did you say motorcycle?
Yeah, I got it when I was 10 years old.
Your mama, you're telling me your mama let you have a motorcycle at 10?
Actually, I bought it myself.
I worked summers and actually bought a brand new one by the time I was 13.
I bought my third one when I was 13 and was racing by the time I was 20.
But I never had a bad wreck, you know, never got hurt and even raced up until I was 33 on four-wheelers and stuff.
But anyway, you know, I want to pre-fix it about, you know, just the born-again aspect about my honesty and the belief in my honesty.
But what would happen in Things would speed up, and that's the best way I can describe it.
And I used to, my father used to, very early on, he was into weights and measures and time, and he trained me how to be able to count, very specifically, seconds to the minute.
To where I could do it, I would practice it on a stopwatch or a second hand, and be very accurate to the minute.
You know, and to where if I didn't look, when I flipped the watch at 60 seconds, I'd be right at the minute.
And things would start speeding up.
Now, this was, I'm 42 now, this was in 1967, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, something like that, about 45 years.
And things would speed up.
And at first I thought, I tell you, I thought I was losing my mind or something and I didn't know what was going on.
Well, I haven't figured out yet what you mean by speeding up.
Okay, to this point.
I don't know how fast a video recorder, per se, when you speed it up, is played on fast-forward and you watch a video.
Fast-forward pertained to watching it regularly.
You mean... That is what everything around me, and it was scary.
It was like seeing a VCR in fast-forward, is what you're saying.
That's why the world looked to you.
It was life, yes.
This would happen.
I would feel a tingling, almost a feverish sensation come to me, and I would know it was about to happen.
And I always wore a watch as a child, and I started, the first time it happened even, I started looking at my watch and checked the second hand, and very, as soon as it would hit, the second hand would hit at the top, you know, at 12 o'clock, I would flip the watch over and start counting.
And at 60 seconds, would come back around, and I mean, it was totally off beat, it wasn't even near.
So I didn't know if I was early, I didn't know if I was late, I didn't know what was happening, okay?
So then I turned it over and counted and watched it, and it's moving so fast, when I counted to 15 seconds, each time, 14 to 15 seconds, it was going to a minute.
And I don't know what... And how frequently would that happen to you?
Two, three times a week, and I tried to explain it to a few people, and the only person that ever, ever came close to somewhat describing it was a Korean doctor I once went to for migraines, and he said, have you ever had any weird symptoms other than this because we can't explain your migraines?
And you explained that?
You told him about that?
Well, and I did, and he said, did you have migraines after this?
And I said, always, always, within A day or so, and he said, that was some type of premonition that you're having a migraine.
I don't know, that doesn't make any sense to me, but I would always have migraines sometime within a 24-hour period after that.
And I tell you, I'm shaking right now talking about this, but it stopped when I was about 12 or 13 years old, thank God, and Jesus, you know, for whatever, stopped it because I Probably would have lost it in today's world as fast things are moving today.
It was a rather slow world in the 60s and 70s compared to today.
I've never heard any type of experience like this.
I've listened to you for several years and I really enjoy you.
I think some of it is pretty wacky, but I still enjoy it.
At the same time, one other thing was going on.
I was having recurring dreams.
of uh... the best i could say would be a world war uh... and it was this country was very involved and and not only that it was in this country uh... you know i hope you're a boy i hope you're wrong about that one well i was uh... i hope that was not a vision of the future well the word says that my sons and daughters will prophesy and my old man will sing dreams and visions and my maidservants and menservants will prophesy all right sir i gotta scoot we're at the top of the hour but i appreciate the call So he saw the world, at times, as though it was in fast-forward.
He could tell the man was being honest.
He didn't have to tell him he was born-again Christian.
He was being honest.
That's the way he saw it.
Like VCR running in fast-forward.
Anybody else out there?
Daddy was a cop On the east side of Chicago Back in the U.S.A.
Back in the bad old days In the heat of a summer night In the land of the dollar bill
When the town of Chicago died And they talk about it still
When a man named Al Capone Tried to make that town his own
And he called his gang to war But the forces of the law...
I heard my mom...
Once again we go into the night sky Over the city of Chicago
Open lines.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, how are you?
I am just spiffy, thank you.
Where are you?
I'm in Whittier, California.
Okay.
And my name's Sue.
Yes.
And I have a kind of a different outlook on this time travel.
Fire away.
All right.
Well, I've always said to people that I've traveled through time, and they've kind of laughed, Um, but when, uh, earlier Collar was talking, um, in all the scientific term and he mentioned, um, sound waves.
Yes.
Uh, something hit me that I was, um, standing at work and a song came on and we all know we do this, you know, a song will come on and a flashback will kind of happen to us.
That's right.
And it will invoke a lot of, you know, really detailed memory.
That's right.
So I'm standing there at work and this song that I hadn't heard for like 15 years came on.
And I was no longer in my work.
I was in my bedroom as a 14-year-old, you know, listening to the song for the first time.
I could no longer, yeah, like I said, I could no longer see my work.
Everything was, the room I was in, the smell.
It was all gone?
Yeah, everything was gone.
I was standing there and trying to, you know, you try to be, I work in customer service.
These kind of things can't happen without, you know what I mean?
Actually, I think they've happened to a number of customer service people that I've been talking to.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
It's like they go away.
Well, I've talked to people that doesn't, you know, they don't seem like they have anything there, which is a totally different thing.
Yeah, no, listen, I understand what you're saying, but you're saying that the room went away, the senses, the smell... Well, everything about it came back.
Wow.
And it was so, I mean, it was just so real.
But then I started to think about it a little bit more, and when I was younger, around that age, I would have always a sense of someone watching me.
So I'm thinking there might be a connection to the fact that this event happens now, where I flash back to being, you know, 14.
Yes.
Yet, I've always been sensitive to spirit types.
All my life.
So that maybe, when I was thinking that someone was watching me, it's just me flashing back, you know, now to back then.
Oh, no.
And I can actually sense myself.
Yeah, no, I'm with you all the way.
I've had it partially happen to me.
It still partially happens to me.
There is something about sound and there is, thank you, something about music.
It's happened to me.
As you well know, I'm a serious person about my music.
I pick my music and my bumper music, all the music you hear me, I pick that personally.
And you know, there's reasons for that.
I mean, there's reasons why I play certain music at certain times that you might think you know, but I can guarantee you I generally have a reason for what I'm playing.
Having said that, It goes a little deeper, not quite as far as that young lady just took it.
But there are records that I can play and I can't say that my present circumstance, my present reality changes.
But certainly in my mind, and I'm sure this is true of many of you, you can hear a song and it's like a flashback.
It's just like a, you know, like an acid flashback.
Boom!
You're in a different place and time in your mind.
Now it has never for me manifested itself with my present reality disappearing entirely.
But it has taken me on that trip and sound in the form of music can absolutely do that to you.
It causes a little switch in your brain somewhere in there to get thrown and the feel and the memories of the time come rushing back Almost unbidden, they just come rushing back.
So I've gone that far, but I've never gone quite over the cliff, the edge that that young lady did with, you know, the present reality actually disappearing.
I'm not saying I wouldn't like to experience it, I would.
A wild card line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Eric.
Hi.
My name is Eric from Hart City, Kansas, listening to you on KFH 98.7 FM.
Yes, sir.
And I heard about the Is that Crop Circle?
Oh, by the way, Mark in Port Washington, Wisconsin says, Hey Ark, I just checked out the new Crop Circle pick.
First thing that came to my mind was the sun with huge flares coming off it.
Now, we've had these incredible flares lately and this man connects it to sun flares.
My wife looked at it and saw a rose.
I take it you've seen the picture, right?
Yeah.
Incredible or what?
It's pretty awesome.
Um, basically, I mean, I'm not, I don't want to disprove it or anything.
I mean, I believe in... If you can, go ahead.
Okay.
Well, basically, when I heard that, I remembered, like, two or three weeks ago, off of a site that I won't name on the Internet, and, uh, I don't know if you've heard of a movie coming out in, I don't know, a few weeks, called Signs?
With Mel Gibson.
Mel Gibson, yeah.
Okay.
Well, I remember reading it, and I printed it off, and I don't know if I'm allowed to read off what it says or not.
Oh, I don't care.
Go ahead.
It says basically, uh, uh, how, how's this for innovative marketing techniques?
Disney is planning to create crop circles around the world as part of his advertising campaigns for the movie signs.
Disney stores told the UK based website, we will carve out crop circles at unnamed sites.
The movie studio did not disclose how it will publicly announce which crop circles are the ones created by Disney.
Which are supposedly real, or when it's marketing campaign will begin.
That would be serious marketing, all right, but that doesn't, that does not affect the mystery of the crop circles, because they've been going on before signs was the gleam in any movie producers, whatever, wherever they get their gleam.
You follow me?
They've been going on for a long time now, so.
I just thought possibly Could be one of those.
Could not.
Does that look like a Disney crop circle to you?
It's a happy little crop circle.
Yeah.
I just thought I'd drop that at you.
All right, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Right.
Take care.
I don't know if Disney's doing that or not.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll all try and pick out the Disney crop circles if they're really doing that this year.
I don't think that's what we have here.
I kind of like what Mark in Wisconsin had to say about this crop circle.
That if you look at it carefully, it does perhaps seem reminiscent of some of the recent sun flares.
I don't know.
It's all stabbing in the dark, isn't it, since we don't really know.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir, you're on the air.
This is Robert from New Jersey.
Robert, time has come.
Welcome.
How are you?
Just fine.
What you are asking is about a physical time machine that is built with nuts and bolts and the traditional methods, and yes, they do exist.
Wait a minute.
You said, yes, they do exist.
That's a statement of fact.
How do you know that?
I know for a fact because I've seen and worked on them.
You've seen and worked on them?
What you are asking about, everything is based on the theory of Tesla.
Yes, Tesla had these theories.
He was by far in advance of Einstein.
The first time the Americans tried this was the Philadelphia Experiment.
Tesla had backed out by that point.
Well, now, the Philadelphia Experiment was not an experiment about time travel.
No.
It was an attempt to make a U.S.
ship invisible.
That's right.
Now, the effects, however, may in fact involve time travel, no question about that.
Everything was based on the work of Tesla.
You're talking about frequency and laser light, where the speeds have to...
What you are talking about is energy that is required that is phenomenal,
because the speed that you have to go at light is incredible.
Light has to reach startling speeds and frequencies.
You're claiming you've worked on one of these machines?
I can tell you I've seen them, and they're... Alright, well then tell me where.
There's one in the New York area, and the Nazis were working on time travel before and during World War II.
Yeah, you know, I've heard that too.
Those were the two experiences.
The Soviets also tried, but failed miserably.
Can you tell me how you got access to see such a thing?
I can tell you no more than what I'm telling you now, but most of the people that have gone through the portals to travel have never come back.
Yeah.
So the vast majority, what you are asking, the vast majority of people that have gone through those portals, probably like the two people that you said who were working on these things, where they would have gotten the energy and the parts Because time is a third dimension concept.
It does not exist in any other dimension.
Well, I don't know how long you've been listening to my program, but Madman Markham was, in fact, modulating the field he created with a laser.
Did you know that?
Yes, and I heard that tonight.
Oh, you did know that?
Well, see, the concept, they do have the physics because all of this was based on the work of Tesla, who was by far ahead of his time.
Most of his writings that were confiscated later on have never been seen.
That's right.
So he had a plan to make light up the world with electricity as long as it would be free forever for humanity from his Tesla World Tower, which never came to fruition because there was no money in it and he was squashed.
But he did talk about these things.
So all of the things that you are asking are based on his work.
Number two, When you go through the portal, you don't know where you're going to actually wind up.
You have rough estimates.
How rough?
Sometimes days, weeks, or years.
So you could miss your destination in time by days, weeks, or even years?
Yes.
So what you're asking about is that most of these people who have gone through have never come back.
Number two... Well, the ones that I've experienced, that I've been talking to about time travel and not come back, and you're telling me that's a truth of time travel?
You know that to be a truth?
That it's a one-way trip?
It depends what kind of machine you're using.
Some are one-way, others you can get back, but you make the mistake of assuming that once you are there, it's going to be so easy.
You're going back in time, different languages, different clothing, different customs, There are universal laws about interference in these things that cannot be broken.
What, for example?
Well, you make the assumption that the government and other people make who want to control destiny, that things can be changed.
There are certain very small things that can be changed, but major things cannot be changed.
Time flows forward as it flows backwards.
In reality, there is really no future and no past, but just the eternal present.
So, you are asking various questions.
If you would ask me more detailed questions, I could give you more detailed answers.
Well, you said there's really no future and past, but just a... An eternal present that is ever-flowing forward and backward.
Then there is... there is... yes, but you seem to be Destroying your own contention that time travel is possible.
Let me just tell you this.
What you are asking is based on something called sacred geometry.
Bruce or Kathy did work on this.
There were other people who've done work on this.
Tesla and there were a few others.
You can travel back 2,500,000 years in time before you hit a time wall.
You can travel up to 2012, and you cannot go beyond that.
There's another wall at 2012?
The end of the main calendar, yes.
Is there any detail, with regard to particularly the future, that you can tell me?
Yes.
Other than the wall, I mean, it sounds like it all ends then.
Otherwise, between now and 2012... Let me answer some questions for you, Art.
You go back to 2,000... 2,500,000 years ago, that is the end of Lemuria.
You can go forward to 2012.
There was a cataclysm on the planet 2,500,000 years ago that had to do with the sliding into a new time dimension that we are in now.
It was a cataclysm at the end of Lemurian civilization, which had lasted about 3 million years.
So if you were to go back, if you could traverse that war, which you cannot, It's a different race.
It's actually a different type of time and a different type of dimension.
Is it another cataclysm at 2012?
Do we know anything of the nature?
2012 is a positive date.
Krishna gave that date, Buddha gave that date, and Christ gave that date.
The Mayan calendar gives the date because we're going into fourth dimension.
There is no more time in fourth dimension.
It will mean, it will be what Krishna talked about, the end of Kali Yuga.
And probably the Christians regard as a Uh, the Lord coming back and, you know, Christians all getting sucked up, uh, like in a vacuum.
Yeah, okay.
Huh.
Well, there's somebody who claims to know that a machine exists among other places in New York State.
Yeah, I've been wondering a lot about 2012.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello!
Hello?
Yes, hello.
Oh, hi, my goodness, thank you.
Um, this is Debra in Kent, Washington.
Yes.
Um, and what I wanted to talk about is, okay, today at work, on my lunch, a friend and I saw, out of nowhere, a white feather come floating down from the sky.
And she goes over and she catches it, and we're talking, you know, kind of odd, maybe somebody dropped it flying by.
Yeah.
And another one comes down, which is a black one.
And as we're standing there, more and more of these feathers keep dropping.
Oh, geez.
They're not coming.
And it went on for 15, 20 minutes.
And we are looking over the top of the building, trying to see if they might be drifting down over that way.
We're trying to see if they're coming from trees, but there aren't trees close enough that they'd be coming out of there.
Black ones and white ones, those are the only two colors that were.
Oh, go ahead.
Throw this in.
I'm getting email reports, and I'm getting reports from all over the West right now, the most disconcerting reports I've ever heard.
People are calling me and telling me birds are dying.
Birds are dying in large numbers, and I'm trying to determine what to do with these reports.
I have no idea.
I wonder if what you're talking about is connected.
That's part of the reason why I called.
And we couldn't find any source for them whatsoever.
There was no gore, there was no blood, no broken quills.
Nothing.
Just these black and white feathers for about 15-20 minutes.
I mean, like, hundreds of them?
Um, I would say what I could count was probably between 50 and 100.
Hold on a sec, alright?
By the way, Ian Gomb, who sings this song, sent me an email the other day.
Maybe we'll have him on.
I'm Art Bell.
All the way from Great Britain.
try to get myself a show all the way from Great Britain for so long
I just kinda like the words this thing listening to the strangest stories
wondering where it all went wrong for so long
for so long hold on, hold on, hold on
to what you got a frequent worry I have is the following
I know that a lot of you think that a lot of what we talk about is crazy stuff and it is, you know, it really is.
The problem with it is that a lot of what we've talked about on this program While initially people label it as crazy a year or two or three years down the line, proves to be exactly what's going on.
It's just that you hear such a leading edge here that it sounds implausible, impossible, even silly or laughable.
But then in two or three years, we're all talking about it.
That's the problem.
When you chuckle and laugh and say, whoa, crazy stuff on that program, Crazy today, true tomorrow.
You're back on the air again, up in Washington.
So you see, I've been getting all these emails and all these contacts about dying birds, and so then hearing about feathers, black and white feathers dropping from the air out of nowhere, that's a troublesome, troublesome thing for me.
Yeah, it was really kind of creepy.
I keep having to kick my mother out, you know, because she wants to listen to the radio in here, and I don't want her to know.
Huddling in the back room.
Your mom also saw this?
No, actually not mom.
She's the one that got me addicted to you.
What she pointed out is that, I guess I was saying black and white feathers, but it's actually specifically black feathers and white feathers.
And the two that I have that I brought home I have one that's probably, the white one is probably about seven inches long and the black one is maybe five and a half.
Not, it's not like down, it's not, you know, these are from all over different parts of the bird.
Um, there are no, there was no blood anywhere.
There were no, you know, pieces, nothing.
The only thing that came was those feathers.
And three times in my life I've been flown, I guess, cruised, if you could say, by owls.
Just out of nowhere.
Once was before... Once was when I moved back up here from Oregon.
Once was just before we got evicted.
Oh no, those are the only two I can think of.
So, then I see this, and this really kind of tripped me out after, you know, those kind of close experiences there.
I don't know if you would have thoughts or not.
I have thoughts, and I... Thank you.
I don't know.
My thoughts are that maybe we're on to something here that, if true, obviously would be really bad.
When I begin to get a lot of email and a lot of communication on something as odd as this, I pull back a little bit and I sort of wait and see if it seems real or whether there's a piling on going on out there or whether it's real phenomena we're talking about and I'm at that stage with all the communication on this subject that I've been getting, I can't I can't yet tell you that I understand what's going on, but I can tell you that before this call I was closely following this story in terms of how much communication I'm getting on it.
It's a worrisome amount.
That I'll tell you.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air!
Good morning.
Yes, Art.
Yes.
How are you doing?
This is Don from Georgia.
Georgia, all right.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted a little experience.
I had, I guess about six years ago, I was working a job where I was working from six in the evening to six in the morning.
My kind of job.
Well, I usually got home around 630, and I usually did the same thing.
When I walked through the door, I would put my lunch container on the counter.
Uh, go to the front door and turn the porch light off to go in and kiss my wife and take my shower.
Uh-huh.
The routine.
Yeah, routine.
Just about every day.
And this particular morning, uh, when I got home, I went through the routine and I went to go kiss my wife and she wasn't there.
So I said, hmm.
So I went to the den and she was behind the door.
And she looked, she looked very frightened.
And I asked her what was wrong with her.
Yeah.
She said, uh, you were here 30 minutes ago.
Oh really?
The thing is she heard me come through the door and she heard the lunch container hit the counter.
Right.
And she waited a while and I didn't show up in the bedroom so she walked around the house looking for me and calling my name.
And it frightened them because I wasn't there.
Of course.
And then you're telling me 30 minutes later, you came home for what you consider to be
the first time, and she's totally freaked out behind the door.
That's correct.
It puzzled me for a while.
But the strange thing was, it happened sometime, it was a few months this year, her and some
of her teacher friends went to see the movie Vanilla Sky.
And I had the girls at home, we was looking at TV, and just watching TV, waiting for her
to get back.
And all of a sudden I heard her call my name from the other side of the house.
Oh.
And the strangest thing, my girls heard it too and they both looked at me and they said, Dan, is a mom out eating dinner with her teacher friends?
And I said, uh, yeah.
She said, well, I heard her call your name.
And I don't want them to get frightened.
So I said, well, you might've been hearing things, but I heard it.
It was clear, loud and clear.
Matter of fact, I almost responded to it.
So I walked to the other side of the house, because I figured that something must be wrong for her to call my name like that.
Yeah.
And I didn't feel anything.
I didn't feel any bad vibrations at all.
Did she have anything to say when she got home?
When she came home, I met her in the garage.
I wanted to discuss that.
There'd be no way for the kids.
I understand.
I asked her, what was she doing around 825?
Because that's when it happened.
Yes.
And she said, well, they were in the restaurant.
And they were discussing their movie, Vanilla Sky.
And it was, I hadn't seen the movie, but it was like some kind of spiritual thing in there or whatever.
And they say, let's do this thing where we can think about our loved ones and see if they can feel us.
That's some story!
Yes, it is.
There's so much more than we understand, isn't there?
Sure is.
And it's all around us, sir.
Thank you.
Oh, thanks a lot, Art.
Alright, take care.
There's so much more that we just don't understand.
The kind of thing that is discussed on this program.
And I'm comfortable, you know, with the fact that A lot of people ridicule, and a lot of people laugh, and that's fine.
But time after time, I've been here enough years now, that time after time, I've seen the laughable become the reality.
So, if you want to hear what's discussed nowhere else, at least some good percentage of which has the possibility of becoming absolute reality, this would be the place.
And why it's not done In more places, I don't know.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
This is Tim.
I'm calling from Illinois.
I'm listening on WLAC.
Yes, sir.
On the ChronoVisor, you made the statement that you could see anywhere from the present on back into the past with it, correct?
Actually, it went further than that.
From the investigative journalist who wrote the book, we found out they saw into the future as well.
Bearing in mind, this is a priest.
Bearing in mind, this is a man who was adept at physics and was consulting with others who claimed that he also saw into the future.
Just experimentally, they saw a bank robbery, they reported it to the police before it happened, and they stopped it.
So, past and future.
Well, if you could see on a specific person or location a second into the past or the present, wouldn't that be the ultimate in surveillance?
Well, you've got to wonder, sir, if our government had a time machine, or access to one, and saw what happened on 9-11, why did it happen?
And you said it could destroy the, or the Vatican made the statement of do evil.
I mean, if you talk, you know, Big Brother, if everyone could be watched with no equipment except from a central location, any specific person or location, at times in the past or present, any time they wanted to.
Well, Father Ernetti warned, quote, that the machine can produce universal tragedy.
His words.
Universal tragedy.
Now what do you think he meant by that?
It's a lot of possibility about how it could create tragedy.
Universal tragedy.
That's a big word.
Universal tragedy.
That implies to me that you could change something that would result in everything that we know to be universally suddenly untrue or changed.
Right.
Who was the guest that died?
He had the novelty theory.
Terrence McKenna.
Terrence McKenna.
Yeah, I remember his 2012, when one of his theories was that's when everything happens at once.
All time travelers.
No, that is in fact what Terrence said.
You're absolutely right.
Very good.
I very much appreciate the call, sir.
Thank you.
That's what Terrence said.
Terrence McKenna.
Terrence McKenna.
Oh, Terrence.
I wish you were still here.
Terrence McKenna's one of the brilliant minds of our time.
Terrence McKenna was an ama... You know what?
I really should go back and ask the network to replay one of the McKenna shows.
For the modern audience that hasn't heard it.
You know, it's been some years now and Terrence did some programs that were Oh, really inspiring.
I mean, absolutely inspiring.
He had a brilliant mind.
I should go back also and interview Terrence's brother.
But I really should bring one of those programs forward and replay it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
Oh, it doesn't make a noise.
Your electronics is so good, you don't hear that sudden noise.
That's right.
It's called The Next Step.
Okay, an honor and a pleasure and thank you very much for your show.
It really helped my mental state quite a bit when I had a very strange experience about vortexes.
What happened is I was walking my old collie dog and it was around railroad tracks and it was around dusk and I noticed that the dog was about 15 or 20 feet ahead of me and she veered off to the side.
And, you know, the dogs walk with their nose straight to the ground.
I would always laugh and say, poor thing, if we ever took her out in the woods, she'd walk right into a bear without seeing it.
And I noticed sort of like, the air seemed to be almost like jelly, and it started like, you know, like it thickened, and then it was sort of circular.
And I see these, I said I must be imagining this.
So I walked there, but I did walk to the side like the dog did.
What I saw was, it looked like horse flies making a circular motion like a whirlpool
and going straight into the ground.
I said, oh no, I've got to be seeing bumblebees coming back because it's dark.
But these things were way too big to be bumblebees.
This was along with, you said the sky like turned to jelly.
The sky?
No, just the area around there, Art.
In other words, it was dusk.
Your vision became like... It was dusk, alright.
But beyond that... The air seemed to thicken in that general area.
Almost like jelly-like.
The sea was kind of... In Louisiana, in New Orleans, we have a lot of fog.
Right.
And humidity.
And when it gets dusk, the humidity is high like that.
you have fall grow come in and it becomes very misty.
But watching these, I guess you would call them insects, You can usually hear a bumblebee, even if it's flying slowly.
And like I said, they were bigger than those big black horseflies.
And these things were circling?
They were circling and going into the ground.
In other words, the circle was kind of wide.
They weren't millions of them, there were maybe 30 or 40 of them that I could think of.
But something like this happens to you and you're trying to say, am I going nuts or what?
And it's got to be bumblebees because they nest in the ground.
I keep telling myself that.
And then about the time I get home, I'm either cracking up or I've seen something horrible and evil or whatever.
What is this?
Now, you had a guest on, an elderly man.
I think the thing was only about $12 and this was about 8 or 10 years ago.
He spoke of Vortex and he said he and his wife used to go through them and visit the
Yeti.
One of the things that surprised you when he mentioned that this was known by the president
in 1924 was not Harding, it was I think Coolidge.
And it surprised you.
Somebody tied it into UFOs and you said you know that Coolidge, because it was evidently something that hadn't come out very much, and you knew about it and you were surprised that this elderly man knew about it.
Anyway, this evidently is some sort of a time travel.
If it hadn't been for hearing that program and remembering it, Art, I know I was on my knees praying.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, sir, but you know what?
I don't remember the program you're talking about, so we may really be dealing with time travel here.
That program was about eight to ten years ago, Art.
Well, sure, I was doing them then.
Hopefully, maybe.
If I can never go through my notes, maybe I can find it.
Let's see if anybody else remembers the program you were talking about.
He was an elderly man.
Another thing he said that you couldn't use.
He had no fillings in his teeth.
He said to get through this vortex, you could not have metal on you.
I swear.
All right.
Thank you.
You know, I don't remember that program.
Now, I've done a lot of programs, thousands and thousands of programs.
So maybe it just, you know, Yeah, hi.
I'm in Calgary, Alberta.
My name is Doug.
of things usually don't. Interesting. First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hello. Yeah, hi. Hi, Doug. Where are you, sir? I'm in Calgary, Alberta. My name is Doug.
Okay, Doug. And I'd like to sort of put forward a little bit of a thought for your listeners
to think about. Nature itself is continuous. You can't have a lot of things in one place,
You get sound waves, you get light waves.
You bet.
The only breaks that there are within these waves are because we don't have, let's say, instruments to measure them yet.
We didn't know that microwaves existed until we had something that could detect them, and then that filled in that gap.
That's absolutely correct.
Yes, I mean they were all around us until we realized their presence and invented something ultimately to produce them.
Yeah, we had no idea.
That's right.
Now we take a couple of flashlights, we shine them at a wall and when they overlap they increase the brightness of that light.
Correct.
Let me just back up a little bit.
You may be aware that some manufacturing plants now they're They have computers that generate a counter wave, if you will, to deaden the noise.
Noise cancelling, it's called, yes.
Yeah.
And so now we shine a couple of flashlights at a wall, they get brighter.
Right.
Now if we take those lights, we pass them through a prism, so it splits the light up into its various components.
Yes.
Through minute movement.
We can get it so that the same colors, when shined at each other, can actually form a dark spot.
Now, I'm starting to think, what my belief is, is that time is a wave, and that if we could discover that wave, produce a counter wave, that we could actually form a dark spot, that would allow you to move in, or like back and forth, Across time.
That could be, sir.
Listen, we are out of time.
My program's ending, nothing I can do about that.
That's okay.
No, listen, I appreciate your theory, and so from our neighbor to the north, you get to tell everybody goodnight tonight, alright?
Okay.
Everyone have a good evening.
That's the Canadian way to do it.
Everybody have a good evening.
Eh?
Alright, everybody, I'll be back Monday night, Tuesday morning.
I hope you have a wonderful weekend.
I'm certainly planning on it.
Bonnie Crystal and the company are here right now, and Jessica's with her, and we're going to be doing some fascinating work in electronics over the weekend.
So if I don't fry myself, I'll see you Monday.
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