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July 3, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Recorded Voices of Ghosts - Brendan Cook & Babara McBeath

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	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon,
	wherever you may be in the world.
	Time zones, more than 24, actually.
	We cover them all, one way or the other.
	It's a lot of coverage, isn't it, folks?
	Adding to that tonight with WNLS in Tallahassee, Florida.
	12.70 on the dial, 5,000 watts, round the clock.
	They call themselves NewsRadio 12.70 WFLA.
	It actually is in Tampa.
	The DM at WNLS, Judy Bailey and the PD, J.L.
	Dunbar.
	My recommendation?
	Good luck.
	It's like tonight, for example, we're going to be leading the next hour with EVP.
	Now, there's nothing freakier than EVP.
	That's electronic voice phenomena.
	And my guests, Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth, they're really interesting.
	You've got to give it to them on a number of scores.
	Number one, they don't sell anything.
	They don't write any books.
	They've expended thousands of their own hours and dollars on what they do.
	And then what they do is take tape recorders with never recorded on tapes out into graveyards and haunted locations.
	And they record the voices of... And now here, I'll split it off a bit.
	I'll say, on the one hand, ghosts.
	Departed souls.
	Dead people.
	Now, I understand there's a large Christian contingent which would view it as something else just as chilling, though.
	Demons.
	The Christians, many Christians, would view these not as ghosts, because they view the dead as dead, but rather as Christians, as demons.
	But either way you look at it, whichever they are, they are real, Startling, scary, will make you contemplate the nature of the world, and that's coming up next hour.
	It's really freaky stuff, folks.
	As Americans celebrate the 4th of July tomorrow, U.S.
	combat jets, you'll be happy to know, will be patrolling the skies over New York, Washington, and other cities.
	Because U.S.
	intelligence is picking up more talk about an attack on or about July 4th.
	But there's still nothing specific or cooperative.
	Under the command of the Homeland Security Director, Tom Ridge, the White House Coordination Center has established lines of communication to be in instant contact tomorrow with each of more than 2,000 Independence Day celebrations.
	I want to say this one last time, because it's my last chance to say this.
	Some people will be headed toward small towns.
	Might I make a selfish suggestion?
	Our little town, relatively certainly, of Pahrump, Nevada.
	I mean, relatively, we are a small town.
	Growing, albeit, but small.
	We are going to have, they say, the largest fireworks Demonstration in the state of Nevada.
	So it really might be worth your while if you're in driving distance to come to a small town like Trump to see the biggest fireworks display.
	I mean we're talking thousands of shells.
	Thousands and thousands of shells.
	A big 16-inch guns.
	I don't know where they got them.
	I don't ask about that.
	But I just know they have them now.
	The one thing we could use, uh, the entire thing is going to be orchestrated, uh, coordinated, uh, choreographed by KNYEFM, you know, our little station here in Pahrump on 95.1.
	And what we want people to do, because we don't have a big PA system, you know, we want people to bring boom boxes, anybody who's got a portable, in fact, anybody who's got a portable sound system and can come out there and put 95.1 through a loudspeaker.
	That'd be extra cool.
	Really extra cool.
	Because we need to wash the audience in the choreographing.
	So if you have something like that and want to bring it out, Pahrump, it'd be a good time to do it.
	It's going to be something.
	It's really going to be something.
	We're going to choreograph the whole thing beginning at about 9.15 at night.
	The sky is going to turn a little different here in Pahrump.
	It's really going to be something.
	Alright, well, anyway.
	Couple things I'd like to cover.
	Number one, under what's new on my website.
	Oh boy.
	Somebody sent this to me, as usual, about a half hour before airtime.
	This is an MPEG, or a moving video.
	And I guarantee you have never seen anything like this in your life.
	It's our little 4th of July thing to you, I guess.
	It's from somebody named Tom Lindsay.
	Uh, who writes that he came across file today.
	It's what appears to be a, um, uh, Hercules.
	Let me see if I can read it here.
	I'm trying to play the thing myself and move out of my way now.
	Uh, a Hercules, uh, aircraft, uh, letting go a cargo plane, discharging all of its anti-missile flares at one time.
	This, uh, is, he says, and he's right, a breathtaking thing to see.
	You've never It's absolutely, it's absolutely incredible!
	It just lets go all at once, and I'll tell you something, they could probably fly this sucker over the head of the Taliban and not drop any ordinance, and just do what they have done in this video, and about half the Taliban on the ground would drop dead.
	No, heart attacks.
	I mean, if you saw this come over you and do that, you would just, you'd have a heart attack.
	You'd be dead.
	And so I'm sure we could kill a bunch of them that way.
	Just this.
	So you've got to see it.
	It's on my website now.
	It's been for about a half hour.
	And it's, of course, under What's New.
	Just place your cursor over What's New.
	Now let's see what else is going on in the world.
	The Security Council today extended the U.N.
	peacekeeping mission to Bosnia till July 15th, averting threat and shutdown by the U.S.
	over its demand for immunity for American peacekeepers from the new War Crimes Tribunal.
	Fawcett, as you know, landed actually on a remote ranch in the Australian outback, finally ending his record-breaking flight around the world.
	The American Adventurer's Spirit of Freedom balloon made a July 4th touchdown On Durham Station Cattle Ranch, about 870 miles northwest of Sydney.
	I don't think that's what he intended at all, is it?
	I thought he was going to land near St.
	Louis or something.
	Anyway, it bounced along the ground, get this, for 15 minutes.
	It just skipped and bounced across the ground for 15 minutes, probably shaking Mr. Fawcett up pretty well before stopping.
	I thought that was absolutely amazing.
	About an aircraft collision in Germany.
	A collision warning system was apparently out of service.
	And an air traffic controller was on a break when a Russian jetliner slammed into a cargo plane high above Germany.
	So that's great, huh?
	We talked a little bit about the collision avoidance system last night.
	I was wondering about that.
	So it was out of service.
	We now find out.
	and the controller was on a break.
	Thank you.
	The US Air Force...
	Air Assault on an Afghan village that residents say killed 44 civilians was part of a larger week-long operation targeting Taliban fighters.
	Some of the hundreds of U.S.
	coalition and Afghan troops in the area fought gun battles with enemy forces in the days and weeks before the raid on Monday.
	And finally, in world news, This is sort of interesting.
	As a Texas oil man, President Bush engaged in some of the same kinds of business practices he's now promising to clean up in response to a wave of corporate scandals.
	It seems when Bush was a board member of Harken Energy Corporation in 1989, the Securities and Exchange Commission forced the company to amend its books to reflect millions of dollars in losses that had been masked An ISO at that time, Bush, who was on the company's audit committee, was the subject of an insider stock trading investigation by the SEC.
	The White House did acknowledge that Bush had failed to promptly disclose the 89 sale of his hardened stock as required by federal law.
	Wow!
	In a moment, I have updates on the cattle mutilations, or Predator attacks, depending on what you want to believe, in Argentina.
	and then I've got more on the Vatican's time machine.
	I reflect again, you know, there was this bouncer in England and they found blood, you
	know, he was stabbed in blood and it was non-human blood and it was really a wild story.
	And we can't get for all It's worth.
	We can't get a follow-up on that story.
	Somebody has really shut their mouth hard on this one.
	Now, I want to review with you again the story from Argentina.
	There's some monkey business going on here, folks.
	MSNBC had in part the following first article, and MSNBC was first on this, A real X-Files case in Argentina.
	Government sends team to probe animal deaths.
	This was, I think, three days ago, right?
	Argentina is sending its own X-Files scientists to probe strange deaths of farm animals found dissected, mutilated, and drained of blood on remote Pampa Plains, killing some I've blamed on aliens.
	At least 70 animals were reported killed in recent weeks.
	Some Listen now, with their genitals and tongues pulled out with surgical precision, surrounded by charred grass with no signs of any blood.
	One horses who've had a circle drawn into it.
	Now that was the June 19th MSNBC story.
	Then, following that, We get a story saying that the whole thing is nothing at all.
	It is just nothing but predators.
	And that just doesn't, you know, it does not square with story number one, which was very specific about the surgical precision, and story number two says, oh, it's baloney.
	And now, today, story number three.
	From Anonova, cow mutilation mystery deepens with three more deaths.
	The mystery surrounding cow mutilations in Argentina has now taken a new twist with the discovery of three more bodies.
	Scientists say the deaths of more than 100 cows are due to, as I told you, natural causes, but they say the bodies have been attacked by foxes and rodents and so forth.
	How they do that with surgical precision, I don't know.
	The locals, of course, speculating aliens or vampires.
	Now, three more dead have been found with unusual insects inside of them.
	That's examining the carcasses.
	In Alto Bello told a liberal newspaper that it was abnormal to find the insects inside the dead bodies, though they would not say what kind of insects they were.
	So, here's a story that is almost like Roswell, isn't it?
	In 1947, a Major Marcel, who would know a flying saucer from a weather balloon, reports a flying saucer has crashed.
	Then, the story gets bigger, and then it gets killed, and then it's a weather balloon.
	He's holding up little pieces of a tinker toy weather balloon.
	This story is kind of tracking in a similar way, I thought, in Argentina.
	You know, first you get a hundred cows cut with surgical precision, and then you get a story about rodents, and then you start getting stories about more cows.
	Now, that sounds just like the way the Roswell story went to me.
	Now, you know what?
	Friday, I might do something on time travel.
	In open lines.
	I mean, I am so totally fascinated with time travel right now.
	Last night, I read you the story about the Vatican.
	I'll read it from Wireless Flash again right now, and I've got more.
	First, the Vatican was accused of hiding the records of priests who've abused kids.
	Now it's being accused of hiding a time machine.
	The machine in question is called a chronovisor.
	It was built in the 1950s by a Benedictine monk named Father Pellegrino Ernetti.
	No photographs of the chronovisor exist, but paranormal journalist John Chambers, who we're trying to get hold of, says Ernetti reportedly used the Wayback Machine, that's in quotes, to film Christ's crucifixion for Vatican officials.
	Ernetti died in 1994 without revealing the secret of the chronovisor, but A chamber says evidence is now mounting that the Catholic Church is hiding a working model from the rest of the world, supposedly to keep it from getting into evil hands.
	Sounds crazy, maybe, but there may be something to it.
	A chamber says a Jesuit priest named Fr.
	Francius Brunet believes that the chronovisor must exist because in the priest's words, quote, Ernetti wouldn't lie about such things, end quote.
	Now tonight comes a little more on the chronovisor.
	The Benedictine father, Marcello Pellegrini Ernetti, invented a method of recovering sound waves from the past and converting them into visual and acoustic reconstruction of history.
	Father Ernetti, a professor at a conservatory, an Italian conservatory of religious instruction for men, accomplished his research in collaboration with twelve Physicists who remain anonymous.
	In 1956, Father Ernetti began to investigate the possibility of reviewing the past with a television-like device.
	Whew!
	In 1957, he began collaborating with the Portuguese professor D'Amatos, who was researching the same problem.
	Ernetti's theoretical approach was based on Aristotle's concept of the disintegration of sound According to which, light and sound waves do not disappear after being produced, but are rather transformed in some way and remain present indefinitely.
	According to Ernetti, sound waves subdivide into harmonics that can be recovered with appropriate instruments.
	That's right, recovered.
	Ernetti stated that every human being traces from birth to death a double furrow of light and sounds.
	This constitutes his individual identity mark.
	Same applies to an event, to music, to movement.
	The antennas used in our laboratory enable us to tune into these furrows of pictures or sound.
	Bernetti recovered photographs of such events as the crucifixion of Christ and reconstructed acoustic events Such as the Quintessinus tragedy and the original Latin from a performance in 169 BC.
	Get this, he also claimed to have recovered the original text of the Ten Commandments given to Moses.
	He refused to reveal any details of his invention and it has been thoroughly suppressed by the Italian government.
	This just drives me totally berserk.
	It is time travel of a sort.
	It is not, as described here, a time machine technically.
	However, if you can selectively go back, almost like changing TV channels, and you can recapture the light and the sound from an event in the past, then you could end up, I suppose, with an MPEG.
	You know, an ampeg, just like the one I've got on the website, the Hercules dumping.
	Oh my God, you've got to see that!
	But that event in time would not have to be captured by a camera at that moment, because that event in time is always there.
	They mentioned antennas, right?
	Antennas!
	And that would make sense to me.
	If light and sound are, in essence, eternal, And if you're on the right frequency or you're doing the right thing, who knows what their machine constitutes, right?
	How they do it technically.
	But if everything is right, then you can virtually play this event back on kind of a TV.
	And what would the Vatican go after?
	Things like the crucifixion, of course.
	The Ten Commandments.
	Now, would they like to know about those?
	To actually stop, freeze-frame Moses with the tablets in his hand?
	And read the Ten Commandments, that'd be exactly the kind of thing the Vatican would do with it, right?
	Exactly the kind of thing they'd do with it.
	So this story absolutely fascinates me.
	Open lines coming right up.
	Stay right where you are.
	a good idea anyway.
	Absolutely nothing!
	Say it again, y'all!
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing!
	and all just a quick note for those of you who might be headed
	to our little fair town here in the desert from nevada i recommend you come
	around dusk you know just before dusk just around us because it's
	gonna be hot You know, we live in the desert here, and it goes up to 102, 103, 105, sometimes 108 degrees, pretty typical about this time of year.
	We are in summer, no question about it.
	But, when the sun goes down in the desert, it takes a sudden drop down to about 90, And with no humidity and tomorrow's forecast clear skies, light wind, it is...
	It's God's country to be sure.
	I mean, there's nothing like it in the entire world until you've experienced the dry air of the desert at night.
	It's really something.
	So it should be a good night, especially those of you who have sound trucks out there.
	We need a bunch of people to have sound trucks and retransmit, you know, 95.1 out here, because we're going to choreograph everything.
	So anybody with a sound truck, bring a radio and you can play it.
	How are you doing, Art?
	I'm rolling north through the Tar Heel.
	of sound trucks whatever we can get. Alright here we go open lines first time
	Yep.
	caller line you are upon the air cheerio. How you doing Art?
	I'm doing okay you're in a truck I bet somewhere. I'm rolling north through the Tar Heel.
	Oh alright in Carolina. Yep. Okay yes sir what's up? First of all I
	appreciate you keeping me up every night. You're very welcome. I was when you were
	talking a while ago about catching a light and sound from back in time.
	Light and sound from time, yes.
	It struck me that the people that you're going to have on tonight, maybe that's how they get their recordings.
	Oh, no, that's brilliant, sir.
	In fact, I'll tell you what I'll do.
	I'll ask them specifically about that as we open up the program tonight.
	That's really interesting.
	And you could be, of course, you know, I thought, well, it's got to be dead people or it's, you know, got to be demons.
	But a voice out of time?
	Hey, maybe.
	Maybe.
	Good thought, sir.
	All right, thanks.
	All right, take care.
	Pretty good thought.
	Not bad, huh?
	It could as easily be a voice out of time, a communication from time, a communication from the mass consciousness, and maybe somebody who's dreaming.
	There are all kinds of possibilities about where these These audiophiles come from, but we do know this.
	They're doing honest work.
	They're not making money.
	This is costing them a lot of money, and so there are no motivations to what they're doing, except trying to educate the world about the fact that there is something else out there.
	Maybe ghosts, maybe time travelers.
	Who knows?
	Wildcard line, you're on the air!
	Hello!
	Hi Art, this is Bill in West Hartford, Connecticut.
	Hi, hi.
	I do want to talk about time travel, specifically about what you said regarding the religious things of the Vatican supposedly.
	No, I did repeat what you said the other night.
	You said, well, they'd go back and they wouldn't find any crucifixion because it never happened, right?
	Yes, I want to extend that to another aspect of that, to the present, and what people believe wrongly, in my view wrongly, will happen in maybe the near future, which I say will not happen.
	I'm going to relate that to the Time Machine that you talked about, because people, I think, who do not look at this, what you talked about, Time Machine, skeptically, with critical thinking, possibly believe that.
	Now, relating to what I just said, now, did you see last week's Time Magazine, the cover story of last week's Time Magazine?
	I'll tell you right now what it is.
	Did you see it?
	It's said to be apocalypse.
	How many people in our country, many people believe literally that this is the end of days, the end of the world prophecy, Armageddon, Revelation, the Rapture, etc., etc.
	Well, you've got to admit there are signs.
	No, well... Well, yes, there are.
	I mean, you just simply cannot miss it.
	If you look at today's headlines and look at what's going on in the world, my friend, there are signs.
	Well, let me say it a different way, in a secular way, non-religious, logical, rational way.
	Because there are bad, negative things that seem to a lot of religious people to be.
	Wait a minute, I just thought I heard you say that religion was logical and rational.
	No, no, no.
	It sounded that way.
	No, I'm saying, I'm going to talk about it from a logical, rational, secular point of view.
	Because there seem to be negative things happening now, which ...might mimic or parallel some things that people seem to say are in the Bible written thousands of years ago.
	Testaments, war, famine, etc., etc.
	A does not mean, therefore, that the things that will happen next, supposedly, ultimately, with Jesus coming down in the cloud, people being raptured up, things disappearing, and then a nuclear war with people going to heaven, and Armageddon, all this religious stuff.
	Because the first part, what's happening now, does not logically follow what people believe next will happen will happen.
	What I'm trying to say is what I utterly fear is...
	Religious people, particularly religious people in government.
	We have the most religious president of the United States right now in modern times.
	Very conservative and very religious.
	More religious than Ronald Reagan.
	What I fear, literally, believes in all this stuff.
	The Rapture, Armageddon, etc, etc.
	And what terrifies me, as a, I'll say non-believer, okay, I use that word.
	Well, you're an atheist.
	You're kind of like an atheist Spock.
	Well, okay, Atheist, but if I could see you set off the Atheist, obviously I'm an Atheist.
	That he could self-fulfill, not Armageddon, not the Rapture, not Revelation, not Prophecy, but a secular version of some kind of a nuclear war.
	It could be limited, it doesn't have to be the whole planet, or it could be the whole planet, or some version, chemical, biological, nuclear, which terrifies me, you know, and do you see my point?
	Well, all right, well, yeah, sure, here's one way of thinking about it for you, Bill, and that is that Either way you think about it, whether you think that they really are signs of the end times and that might happen, which I know you don't, or you think that it is because so many believe and so many do believe, Bill, compared to you, that it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	Either way, your ass is grass.
	yeah and and that's right and the as a non-believer of the just one more
	complicated with a at the gate yet that was already speaking for other a pf
	economic who might end up dying from what the chemical biological
	nuclear if it should be our country when we're not really if i'd love to do with
	any of the three so-called so-called great religion of our planet
	it's utterly unfair to me or for that matter people who are uh... wick or other religious no i won't really people who
	don't want to die because they're the liberal religious people in other words
	they could help the not the religious version of the bible but a
	secular rational version meaning a nuclear war of what we're going to have
	a hard-to-leave away either anyway either way if you do a bill uh... you know grass grass
	grass okay complain as you will it won't matter you are so such a
	minority and there are so many believers that according to what you just told me your
	your dead anyway is the rockies are on the air
	Hello.
	Hi Art, how are you doing?
	Just spiffy.
	Joe from Boston WRKO 680.
	I have a comment and a question.
	I want to ask you at first my comment and your question on KNYE.
	Sure.
	What is happening to Dr. Anderson?
	Have you gotten involved with his family?
	No, listen, no.
	Well, we're trying.
	We have tried.
	We had numbers, we had websites, we had an Antonio man just Well, the reason that I ask is maybe you can have this professor on, this guy from Italy, who built this little time machine.
	Because if this thing works, maybe the Air Force or Area 51, which I hope you do more programs on, knows about this and they're doing some work down there.
	And maybe we can get a picture of Dr. Anderson or Madman.
	Or what happened to them.
	Now, my question is on KNYE.
	Can you tell us more about your radio station?
	Because I spoke with Will, I speak with him occasionally, and he says they have failures over there.
	Computers.
	Do you have failures?
	I mean, you record all your shows.
	Do you put them on analog or digital?
	We do not have failures.
	No, no.
	Will said that over at the... Well, look.
	Everybody has a mass amount of electronics.
	I was sort of joshing.
	Of course, we have failures.
	You know, can have things that go wrong.
	I mean, everything is on computers.
	Everything.
	Everything.
	You don't use analog or reel-to-reel anymore?
	There's not a turntable.
	There's not a record.
	There's not...
	Anything that even resembles that technology anywhere near the building.
	Wow.
	I don't like computers.
	You don't, huh?
	No, I can't see it, you know what I mean?
	Well, you know, the problem with computers is they don't care whether you like them or not.
	Well, how do you record all your shows?
	You must have an awfully extensive... No, no, no, no, no.
	What do you mean, how do I... I play them.
	In other words, my show comes up live, as it is right now.
	But it's being recorded?
	No, no, no, no.
	Does that mean you're recording it at KNYE for later?
	No, no, no, we're not.
	We're just playing it live.
	It comes down from satellite in a flash, and we just air it live, sir.
	Oh, I thought you were archiving it for your own... No, the network archives it for us.
	And they do that on hard drives, sir.
	Oh, my God.
	Hey, we're in the age of computers.
	You can ignore it, but it's not going away.
	Well, I hope you get that professor on.
	Yeah, I do, too.
	All right, thank you.
	Yeah, I'm really curious about that.
	I mean, Madman's been gone a long time now, and now Dr. Anderson.
	There may be a very conventional explanation for Dr. Anderson, but it's like he's number two of the time travel people.
	He's number two, until I hear otherwise.
	And I can't be so sure that given the opportunity to pull the lever or whatever if I could do it one way that I wouldn't go somewhere some when and I don't know when that would be.
	But it might be just too tempting for somebody researching time travel you know after they send a mouse or two or whatever it is they send you know to climb in themselves and and of course you never hear from them again it could also mean they're a pile of dust West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'm Aliza, and I'm calling you from KFI 6.40 in Norwalk, out of L.A.
	County.
	That's, well, the point is in the wrong place.
	It's just 6.40.
	Just 6.40, okay.
	You know the gentleman that called last night about the birds dying here in L.A.
	County, in L.A.?
	Oh, yes I do.
	Oh my gosh, we had pigeon in our backyard that was dying and had eventually died.
	And we've had other little birds that have died.
	We've had crows that have died here in Norwalk, and little Norwalk.
	And plus... I'm getting a lot of emails about this.
	I wonder what the hell's going on down there.
	I don't know that, but you know what else?
	Besides the birds, my cat, she caught a bird this morning.
	And so it's got to have been slow of stealth, you know, for her to catch it.
	And my cat, that's the first bird that she's caught in a long time.
	I think, because my cat's been throwing up, my dogs have been throwing up, and I think there's something going on here that they're not telling or doing that they should be doing, because the animals are getting sick here.
	Well, you know, when miners used to take canaries down into the mine... Yeah, I have a canary.
	And the canary dropped dead in its cage.
	They knew it was time to go.
	Yeah.
	I wonder if it's like that.
	I don't know, but it's got to be something.
	But you know what?
	You turned me into that VersaQuarter.
	I love my VersaQuarter.
	My next big buy is going to be that telescope.
	I love you, Art.
	You're the best person.
	And even though you keep me up, women stay up anyways.
	Thank you for the call.
	Take care.
	That's very nice of you.
	Now, VersaQuarter is neat.
	You can record a whole show on a VersaQuarter.
	A lot of people are catching on to that one.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air, hello!
	Hello, this is Russell, and I'm calling from Great Bend, Kansas.
	Great Bend, Kansas, yes sir!
	And that's KBGB, and that is $15.90.
	That's the way to do it.
	Uh-huh.
	And I'd like to say a patriotic poem for tonight's show.
	No, we don't allow poems on the air, sir.
	Okay.
	I appreciate it.
	If you want to give us a thought, though, that's fine.
	I'd just like to say that I'm very proud of the men and women that are in the armed services right now that fight for our country, and we should remember them on this date because this is a very important date.
	Well, it is, and they are the ladies and gentlemen who keep it free.
	Again, I refer you to this Hercules aircraft, the MPEG of it, on my website.
	I'm going to say this one more time.
	You could fly this over the Taliban at erotically low altitude, have it let loose with all of its flares, the way it does in this photograph.
	You've never seen anything like it.
	And half the people on the ground would have a heart attack right on the spot.
	You wouldn't hit them with a bullet.
	They'd just fall over dead from fright.
	It's an incredible little video under what's new.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Hi, Art.
	It's Laura from Miami.
	Hello, Laura.
	Yeah, hi!
	I just wanted to let you know that here in Miami, we have Saddam Hussein's stepson down here.
	He's being held.
	Really?
	Right.
	He was going to try to attend a flight school down here in Florida.
	I wonder if we're asking him questions.
	We probably are.
	I think they said he's being held in the Chrome Detention Center down here.
	Well, yes, you can imagine.
	Gee whiz, we'd have lots of questions.
	Oh, yeah.
	Big time.
	So, an interesting thing has happened in Miami, and I didn't think it possible, and I thought, since you're calling, I thought I'd say it.
	I'm so proud of it.
	In the last survey we did, you know, they do these Arbitron surveys, right?
	And as you well know, a lot of Miami is non-English speaking.
	Right.
	And a couple of years ago, I told the manager of the Miami station down there, WIOD, I thought it would be impossible, ultimately, to ever become number one, just because it's so divided from a language point of view.
	And so I thought it would be absolutely impossible, an English talk show.
	And guess what?
	Number one in Miami.
	There you go.
	You're the best, okay?
	Everybody knows it, okay?
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, hey, love ya.
	Take care.
	That is true.
	And it was so amazing that I got an email from the manager of WIOD and I framed it.
	I've got it on the wall.
	It's one of my proud accomplishments in an area where you never in all your life thought that you could, you know, outrank everybody else in the middle of the night.
	It happened in Miami.
	Blew me away, I've got to admit.
	Ease of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Yeah, Art.
	Love your show.
	You keep me up all night.
	Where are you?
	Kansas.
	A little town in Kansas.
	Pittsburgh.
	Middle America.
	Yes, middle named humidity.
	I hate it.
	Anyway, what I was wondering, have you heard anything about the transportation of the nuclear waste?
	I'm really concerned about it.
	Yeah, it's going to come to a highway near you real soon.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, yes.
	I had a map up on the website that would show you, you know, you put in your zip code and it would show you how close the nuclear waste was going to get to your house.
	What highway?
	I don't have a computer.
	You don't have a computer.
	I know.
	My daughter is giving me static about that.
	She's older, and I need to learn.
	Computers today are not so hard to learn.
	They used to be.
	I know.
	I know.
	A lot of fear associated with it, and there was even for me when I began long ago, but very quickly you will learn.
	You don't have to be a technician.
	You just have to learn a few easy little things, and you're in a whole new world.
	Not to change the subject, but what can I do?
	I've called our congressman.
	I'm really concerned about this on the nuclear thing.
	Well, that's what you can do.
	That's all you can do.
	The American public has got to come to grips with the fact that while it's going to be stored in my backyard here in Yucca Mountain, seismically active Yucca Mountain, I might add, That's not the dangerous part, really.
	Really, it isn't.
	The dangerous part of this whole operation is the transportation of this poison that's got to be maintained for hundreds of thousands of years safely.
	But, I mean, getting it from point A to point B is like... Remember the thousand points of light?
	Well, it's like thousands of points of terrorist target possibilities.
	Well, we're right on the Missouri line.
	We live close to Joplin, Missouri.
	And do you know what highway they said?
	No, I'm sorry, but almost everybody has a major highway within a radiation distance of them.
	It's amazing.
	We'll try and get that website back up, all right?
	Thank you so much.
	You take care.
	And the American public has to understand that's the dangerous part of this.
	Moving it successfully, avoiding terrorists who are bound to use it as a target.
	The inevitability of accidents, all of that is the dangerous part of this.
	If they just conclude that, uh, who cares about, you know, screw Nevada was a bill, the official name of the bill, actually not official, but same fact.
	And think, well, who cares about Nevada?
	It's, it's not, it's, it's the transportation of this stuff, folks.
	Uh, you better check it out.
	It's coming to a road and highway near you soon.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast.
	Okay, Brennan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, who are representing the Society,
	are two of five members that are the GIS...
	of the Society.
	is nonprofit, and the GIS members have spent thousands of dollars and hours dedicated to researching what they consider to be ghost phenomena.
	They realize that EVP is one of the most controversial aspects of ghost research, and that there are many speculations and theories about the spectral voices that have been recorded on audio and videotape.
	The GIS members believe the voices they have recorded are the voices of the dead.
	Most of the time, these voices interact and respond to the members that record them.
	That's the puzzling thing.
	In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
	I welcome you to Thank you, Art.
	It's wonderful to be back.
	Okay.
	Somebody called, I don't know whether you caught the first hour of the program, but we've been discussing this.
	What's a time machine or a time viewing machine the Vatican may or may not have?
	There's some serious stories out there.
	They claim to have photographed virtually, have video of or photograph the crucifixion itself, that kind of thing.
	That light and sound never essentially die.
	They just keep radiating, and they are around, and your desk remembers what happened to it from the time it became a desk, or when it was a tree, or whatever.
	You get the idea.
	That everything remains around, so to speak.
	And he suggested that perhaps what you get on your tapes might be some Remnant of something once said in time past and that it could be just sort of a that it seems as though it's being responsive to you that it's not an actual
	Disembodied consciousness speaking to you from the other side.
	What do you think?
	Well, that theory may work, aside from the fact, as we mentioned on every show we've done with you, that these voices interact with us, and in some cases give us contemporary information.
	I mean, things that show there's a consciousness behind it.
	They're aware of themselves, and they're aware of us.
	Yeah, that's problematic to the theory, all right, but What other alternatives?
	That's just one.
	You know, the fundamentalist Christians are going to say, oh sure, it's demonic tricksters.
	Everybody knows that.
	Anybody knows it who reads the Bible.
	When you're dead, you're dead.
	And if you're getting voices, if you're getting contact, if you're being haunted, you're being haunted by a demonic Entity that and and and if it's your great-grandmother Gertie.
	It's not really it's a trickster You know about that of course yes, well the most most of the hauntings that we have Investigated are not evil entities On some occasions they have been known to be helpful and They don't display Wickedness or evilness, like what many people think hauntings are.
	Well, I've heard you say many times in the past that you believe that people who die and then are ghosts or spirits exhibit the same kind of tendencies they did in life.
	You know, if you're a happy-go-lucky person, then you're a happy-go-lucky prankster kind of ghost, I guess.
	And if you're a nasty, miserable, rotten human being, then you're going to be a nasty, miserable, rotten ghost.
	Yes, I believe that myself.
	So, in other words, you encounter all kinds of personalities on the other side, just like you do here.
	Oh, yes.
	That's correct.
	And I think the voices that we have played in the past demonstrate that the personalities come through very strong in their voices.
	And really, the majority of people you meet in life are very nice and loving and caring.
	I mean, you very rarely run into people who are just evil and, as Barbara would say, cantankerous.
	I don't know.
	It'd be interesting to sit and hypothetically discuss what percentage of the population is really miserable, cantankerous people.
	Ms.
	Pryor, what do you figure?
	Oh, I'm sure that there's a lot, but... Ten, twenty percent?
	What do you think?
	I have no idea of the percentage, but... Thirty percent?
	One-third, maybe?
	I think it really is all going to depend on where you live.
	Say you're living in Los Angeles.
	be more likely to run across more mean-hearted people than if you were living in Utah.
	Well, the people of the City of Angels would argue that point very strenuously with you.
	Or maybe they wouldn't and prove it.
	I don't know.
	Alright, well, so you go... I guess we ought to tell everybody the methods used are scrupulous.
	In other words, they unwrap brand new tapes that could not possibly have anything recorded on them Previously, correct?
	That's correct.
	We never reuse any tapes.
	All the tapes that we have recorded, we keep, you know, in our personal library.
	Didn't you ever think that you could get a gigantic electromagnetic source and wipe those tapes as clean as they would be when they come to you out of the wrapper?
	That's true, but it would still, it could still leave that level of a doubt that something may not have been wiped out.
	So just for the sake of the credibility of what you're doing, you always take one out of the wrapper like a new deck of cards, huh?
	Exactly.
	I also like to keep, it's really a record of the investigation.
	Everything that takes place is recorded and I would not want to destroy that Record.
	How many of you are in the GIS group now?
	Five.
	Five.
	And you have held it to five.
	Now, I would imagine, as public as you have been on this program, and you've been a repeat guest, or guests, that you had a gazillion volunteers and people wanting to join, and yet you have held the group to five.
	How come?
	The main reason is we work so well together.
	We're really almost like a family.
	We see each other every day.
	We're constantly talking about ghosts because it's something that fascinates us.
	And to add somebody else, a new element, you run into a problem of not knowing anything about them and having to learn everything about them.
	Yeah, there's just not that comfortable atmosphere.
	That's a good point.
	It's hard enough to get a group of five people who generally agree and get along well.
	That's hard enough.
	We don't always agree, but we get along very well.
	Well, that's really critical.
	I mean, generally, you get the larger group of people together, and then you're going to get politics within the group, and you're going to get a lot of disagreements and anger and people upset with each other and that sort of thing.
	So, quite good that you hold it to five.
	Yes.
	We work very well together.
	There's a real trust level that's among the five, and I think that trust is a very important element.
	Where are the main areas of disagreement among the five of you?
	The main level of disagreement is just figuring out what the voices are saying, and it's nothing That we really, you know, get in arguments over, we just end up playing voices hundreds of times just to kind of narrow it down to what everybody can agree on.
	So you'll sit around a table and argue about what it was that was just said, not about what it is, but what was said?
	Yeah, what was said.
	We won't necessarily argue, we'll debate.
	Have you figured out that How hard it is, that it must be incredibly hard for a spirit to get something through to our dimension, for lack of a better word, on tape.
	Does that really take a great deal of energy or whatever from the other side to do that?
	From everything that we've experienced, it seems like it is hard and it takes a great deal of effort for them to do that and to affect our audio tapes.
	And the reason I say that is a lot of the voices are very quiet and soft-spoken.
	I mean, the voices that we present on your show are obviously the best of the best of the recordings that we get.
	Yes.
	But the majority are very soft, and it seems like they have to expel a lot of energy just to affect our tapes.
	Some of them are Really troubling.
	I agree with Barbara that the voice of children, which seems so common in what you do, that's incredibly troubling.
	I mean, children die.
	So then, does all this mean, when we hear the voice of a child, that if you die as a child, you are a child forever after?
	If you're an adult, you're an adult forever after.
	If you're a decrepit old person, you're a decrepit old person forever after.
	Well, it's theory.
	There's no sure answer on many of the questions that we get.
	But if the answer to that question is yes, then the old, you know, die early and leave a pretty body thing sounds good, huh?
	Well, there are cases that have been documented where a person who has died has been witnessed by several different people in different stages of that person's life.
	And I don't know if you can, if a ghost can appear in a way that they want you to see them.
	You know, I just, I don't know.
	That may well be the case.
	I've thought that myself, you know.
	That may be the case, Barbara.
	So, I mean, this is no matter how, what it is you believe about these, whether you think they're ghosts of dead people or you think they're No, it doesn't.
	spirits trying to fool us or time travelers it wouldn't matter these are
	here these things is so freaky now maybe you guys have been doing it for a long
	time and it doesn't quite freak you out the same way or does it still no it
	doesn't and I think to the majority of people it's more of a shock because the
	majority of people have been taught that this doesn't exist I mean since they
	were children they've been taught that this doesn't exist.
	It's like the Sandman and the Boogeyman.
	It just isn't out there.
	And then for us to come along and play these recordings on your show, you can bother people.
	It is out there.
	That's the trouble.
	It is out there.
	Whatever in the heck it is, it is out there.
	It's real.
	We have people contact us, you know, they went out and tried it and they're shocked that they've gotten, you know, recorded a voice at the location that they went.
	I've been receiving some emails from people who say, look, I took a digital recorder out and I've got EVP.
	And I've got really high quality EVP, so don't even bother asking that question tonight.
	So I won't.
	I'm getting emails from people who say that the digital recorders, the mini CDs, those kinds of things, they're all recording EVPs out there.
	And we've had people tell us, you know, we know that EVP can be recorded on the digital recorder.
	We haven't ourselves had luck with them too much, and so we prefer, our preference is the magnetic tape.
	But people really do need to know this.
	They really can do this themselves.
	All it requires is a cassette recorder, probably a good one if you can get it, and blank tapes, and you can go to Now, look, do you really recommend for somebody out there who's going to try what, you know, after hearing this tonight, they're going to try it now.
	Would you recommend they go to graveyards?
	Would you recommend they go to places that have a reputation for being haunted?
	What?
	Any place that is associated with death.
	Now, people can go to cemeteries in the day.
	They don't have to go at nighttime.
	We have recorded voices at all hours of the day and night.
	It does not seem to matter.
	With equal frequency?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I guess you've got to go.
	It's going to be there day and night, huh?
	Yes.
	The reason that we go out at night most of the time is for our infrared equipment.
	And because it is more quiet.
	Plus you probably have day jobs, huh?
	Yes.
	Most of us do.
	There's one that works nice, but it's more quiet.
	The hubbub of the day is gone, and it's more quiet at that time.
	And so there's less interruption, and we're able to use our infrared equipment.
	In the dark, better.
	It doesn't work during the day, but just to strictly record for EVP, you can do that any hour of the day.
	You don't have to wait for the sun to go down and go into a graveyard.
	You can take a stroll at noon.
	The implication being then, graveyards are good because the spirits of the dead hang around their old bodies, yes?
	That's true, and I also believe that the emotional The emotional feeling in graveyards is such that it can draw ghosts to it, or keep them there.
	Curious about something.
	Very curious about something.
	Brendan, when you die, what are your instructions?
	Are you going to be buried or cremated?
	I'm looking at cremation.
	Barbara?
	Oh, I want to be buried.
	Buried, huh?
	Yeah.
	You see, because it just sounds like such a lonely little trek to be making around your own gravesite.
	Well, if I am able to stay as a ghost, which I would like to do for a while... You really do want to?
	Oh yeah, I think it would be kind of... A kick?
	It would be kind of interesting to see that experience, you know, to experience that.
	But I would like to be able to if I'm able to.
	I don't know if I have the state of mind to be one.
	I think most of them are quite miserable, and I'm not, so I don't know if I'll be able to stay.
	Nevertheless, you've decided to go for the six-foot-under thing.
	Now, I'm curious, Brendan, have you decided to be cremated for the very reason that we're talking about right now?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	That pretty much covers it.
	I thought so.
	And the rest of the group?
	I don't think he's actually talked about it.
	I know Roger wants to be buried.
	I don't know for sure.
	I think Ginny is too young.
	I'm surprised Brendan's given it too much thought because of his age.
	Oh, so you mean you're surprised to hear what he just said?
	Well, I'm just surprised that he thought about it at all because of his age.
	Well, doing what you guys do, how could you not think about it?
	Oh, well.
	And listen, we got a break coming up, and then we'll start with EVP.
	We've got recordings coming up that, again, whether you consider them to be ghosts, the dearly departed, or not so dearly departed, you know, we were glad to see him go.
	Whether you think it's that, or whether you think it's some sort of evil entity, either way, it's pretty freaky stuff, so prepare yourself, tie down, buckle in, And after the break, we enter the world of EBP.
	Literally at the end of the night now, we go with Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth of GIS.
	All right, you two, here we go.
	What leads it off tonight?
	All right, well, we decided we'd start this off with a kid's voice.
	Naturally.
	This was recorded in a cemetery, and we had actually just bought a new infrared night scope this night.
	Uh, and we were testing it out in the cemetery so we'd have a nice wide open space.
	Well, I love those things.
	I've got some third gen stuff and I love it.
	It's more fun.
	Uh, what do you guys think?
	You like it?
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	We've gotten two of them now.
	Really?
	And this one, the one we were testing that night was actually a nice little, uh, it was a Russian military scope.
	A Mosin-Mar.
	Yeah.
	It was, it was great.
	But in this clip, you'll hear Barbara say, uh, come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference with the infrared.
	And a couple of seconds after she says that, you'll hear a child say, and it sounds like the child says, a perfect circle.
	A perfect circle?
	I wonder, okay, well let's, uh, let's listen.
	Here it is, folks.
	Come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference with the inquiry.
	You can shut up.
	Yeah, you know, I hear it.
	Perfect circle.
	I heard it right at the end.
	One more time.
	Listen very carefully, everybody.
	Somehow, my brain didn't hear it until the very last play.
	It's replayed three times.
	The EVP itself, in this case, obviously a child's voice, is replayed three times.
	After the original sentence in response.
	So listen very, very carefully.
	it does say a perfect circle I think.
	Come and see, Brendan, if it makes a difference with me.
	It's a circle.
	That sounds like it's a circle to me.
	It's a circle, it sounds like.
	It's a circle.
	Yeah, it's a circle.
	Or a perfect circle.
	It could be either one, but it's one of the two.
	And I wonder if that child, that disembodied child, was referring to the perfect circle of light from the infrared.
	That's what I was wondering, how the infrared emits that beam and it comes out of the circle.
	I almost wondered that myself.
	A child's voice.
	You know, you get these emails from people who say, you've probably seen them, they're just sort of spam emails, and they say, I've resigned as an adult, I'm going back to being an eight-year-old, you know.
	I wonder if some adults who die, even seniors, are able to do the cocoon thing on the other side, and if they want to, become children again.
	That would be the bright side of looking at the children's voices.
	That's kind of a theory that I'm Thinking about takes place.
	I just can't imagine there being that many children's spirits.
	I don't know, Barbara, a lot of children die, but I mean, if that thought and theory is comfortable for your mind, then embrace it.
	That's more comfortable for me.
	Alright, the next one.
	This was recorded by Ginny, and you will hear Ginny say, we had a There's a person there accompanying us on this investigation.
	This was in a cemetery.
	And Jenny asks, you'll hear her say, want to go look for that grave?
	And the person that was there with us says, yeah.
	And you'll hear, it sounds like an old woman.
	It says, so do I. By an old woman yet, huh?
	Alright, here we go.
	Do you have a gold foot, Faith?
	Yeah.
	Oh God, that does sound like a decrepit old voice.
	I'm doing these twice.
	They're doing them three times and I'm doing them twice just because I want to hear myself listen.
	Can we go to that place?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's really creepy.
	That's really creepy.
	I mean, we went from a child to that lady sounded like she was 99 years old.
	Yes, she does.
	And I believe that they intend for us to hear them.
	Can either one of you recall, you know, it tends to come in just a couple of or a few words, just one in a million to get a whole sentence.
	Has anything ever come to you that suggests The nature of the other side, and anything spoken.
	You know, we've done hundreds of these clips now on the air, and I'm wondering if anything ever has told you what it's like there.
	We have heard voices.
	One of the questions we ask quite frequently is, what is it like where you're at?
	Yes.
	Are you happy where you're at?
	And that kind of a thing.
	And we have heard voices.
	One said it was cold.
	It just said the word cold.
	Yeah.
	And I remember a child said, it's dark in here or something like that.
	Yeah.
	It's cold and it's dark.
	You know, that really sounds attractive, huh?
	Well, and the child saying it's dark in here was interesting because the light had just been turned on.
	So it kind of makes you wonder.
	See, Brennan, I'm with you.
	Cook me at the end.
	For the record, Barry wants to be cooked, too.
	Oh, really?
	OK.
	What, did you get a phone call or something?
	No, he's here.
	He's there.
	OK.
	Well, I'm with him.
	Cook me and scatter me.
	All right.
	So a child and an old lady and now what?
	All right.
	Well, this one was also recorded by JS member Jenny.
	And in this clip, you hear her say, let me live in there.
	It's warm in there.
	And directly after that, you hear a voice.
	It sounds like end of my life.
	Now it's Jenny saying, uh, let me live in here.
	Yeah.
	Jenny says, let me live in there.
	It's warm in there.
	She was referring to a mosquito that had just flown into one of the members ears.
	Oh, That's interesting, side note.
	We're talking to a mosquito that flew into an ear.
	All right, here we go.
	Let me live in there.
	It's warm in there.
	End of my life.
	Ooh.
	End of my life.
	End of my life.
	Oh, without question, end of my life is what I'm hearing.
	Oh, that's weird.
	Let's, uh, one more time.
	Let me live in there.
	It's warm in there.
	End of my life.
	End of my life.
	End of my life, clear as can be.
	And Art, one thing to notice, did you happen to notice the weird cadence of the voice itself?
	Yes, I did.
	It had a very weird speech.
	End of my life.
	Something that I suppose a ghost, something that would remain here, would have time to consider the end of my life.
	End of my life.
	Yeah, really, that's That's very non-responsive, isn't it, to the comment that was made?
	Right.
	It really has nothing to do with what was said there.
	Now, what percentage, would you say, of your EVPs are, in fact, obviously responsive to something you've said, or one of your members has said, versus those EVPs that you have no connection for?
	I'm just guessing.
	We haven't really looked at it and done a percentage of them, but I would say just off the top of my head, probably 60 to 70 percent are interacting with us.
	We'll talk about what we're doing or what we're saying.
	Boy, that's a high percentage.
	Yes, it is.
	In fact, the next voice is a really good example of that.
	Okay, then next it shall be.
	Number four.
	At this time, when Jenny recorded this voice, it was in the middle of winter.
	It was probably below freezing, and we were sitting in our chairs out in the middle of the cemetery, and I had gotten a blanket out of the car, and me and Jenny were sitting side by side, covered up with the blanket.
	And you will hear Jenny ask me, did you just pull the pull down the blanket and I'll answer her no
	and you'll hear a it sounds like a child that says I did. I did? and
	as in I did pull down the blanket? yes and then she'll say did you feel like a tug
	and I say no but she had felt the blanket being pulled down she looked over at me
	and asked me. I've had a lot of stories from my callers and emailers about blankets being yanked off them so let's
	listen to this Did you just pull down the blanket?
	blanket.
	No.
	I did.
	Did you feel like a tug?
	I don't know.
	I think.
	I think.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Ah, that, that sounds very directly responsive and it does sound like a child and that's totally freaky.
	Here we go.
	Did you just put on the blanket?
	No.
	I did.
	Did you feel like a tug?
	No.
	I did.
	I did.
	How do you guys handle that?
	I... I couldn't handle that.
	I mean, you were in a graveyard?
	Yes, we were.
	And you were lying down and had a blanket?
	No, we were sitting and we bring our chairs and... I see.
	And we're sitting in our chairs, and it had gotten so cold sitting there that I got a wool blanket out of the car and covered up.
	I'm going to ask this again.
	I know I've asked before, but I just can't resist.
	You know, you guys are holding doors open here.
	I mean, I've fooled around with a million different things on my program, and one of the things I've concluded is that when you talk about the kinds of things we're talking about tonight, You opened certain doors.
	I don't think there's any question about it.
	I mean, even the discussion, the fact that your mind is thinking about this kind of thing, opens a door for you.
	And aren't you all worried that occasionally something's going to come through that you're not going to like?
	No, no.
	I've been involved with this for years.
	I've never had an occasion where something has Um, threatened or harmed me.
	I've had things happen to get my attention.
	I believe that it's to get my attention, but nothing has ever hurt me.
	By the way, Michael in Villa Park, Illinois is suggesting, with regard to the mosquito that was in the air, he says, Art, maybe it was the mosquito that said, end of my life, and it flew into the person's ear.
	I'd like to meet that mosquito.
	You've got to have a sense of humor a little bit, I guess, or else you wouldn't do it.
	All right, number five.
	All right, well, this one was also recorded by GIS member Jenny.
	Boy, she's an active little young lady, isn't she?
	Yes, she is.
	And on this clip, this was also recorded in a cemetery, and it was a cemetery that we've previously witnessed a ghost slide in.
	Oh.
	And we were looking for the light this night, and you'll hear her ask, do you see a light?
	And Roger, Barbara's husband, GIS member Roger, says, what?
	Oh, no.
	And then right after he says no, you hear a woman, and she almost sounds like a broken record.
	She says, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Really?
	And then I say, wow, because I thought I saw the light.
	And then Jay says, what, did you see it?
	OK, here it comes.
	Do you see a light?
	It almost sounds like the person says, wow, or somebody says, wow, right after the yeses.
	Yeah, that was me that said wow.
	And why did you say wow?
	Because I thought I had seen the light, and it turned out to be just a reflection of a car headlight.
	Well, that's good and honest.
	This is such freaky stuff.
	I don't know.
	It makes me question the nature of death.
	It really does.
	And I guess maybe it should make us all question the nature of death, huh?
	Well, I'm not sure how freaky it is.
	It definitely is fascinating, though.
	No, I say freaky.
	Not in a freak show kind of way, just in a scary kind of way.
	I think it's something that we don't... I don't think that we can fully comprehend it.
	Nor are we meant to at this point.
	No, I don't think we are meant to.
	Are we meant to even be looking at and listening to the kinds of things we're listening to tonight?
	Do you think we're meant to do that?
	I believe so.
	Or do you think it's just some accident of dimensional difference that allows, you know, Some sort of voice to be imprinted in an electronic way that really is just an accident and otherwise we're not supposed to be exposed to what we're hearing here.
	No, I really think we are supposed to be hearing it.
	I don't think it would be possible if we weren't meant to hear it.
	Let's do one more.
	This was recorded by Roger and we had arrived at a Uh, mausoleum.
	We were standing outside.
	It was in February.
	It was freezing cold.
	It was probably 11 o'clock at night.
	It was around 11 o'clock and, uh, we were waiting for, uh, the caretaker to come and unlock the door and let us in.
	And, uh, you will hear Roger say, we welcome anyone here to talk with us.
	We're back.
	Well in between that, those two sentences, you will hear Kids screaming.
	There was no kids at that time of night.
	Kids screaming?
	It sounds like, you know, how children sound when they're screaming, playing, running away, or something, you know, running and screaming and playing.
	That's what it sounds like.
	Alright, let's take a listen.
	and here we go.
	You all coming in here to talk with us?
	You all back?
	Oh boy, that does sound like kids screaming, doesn't it?
	Particularly in context with... almost more when it's in context with what's being said than when you hear it individually.
	Let's hear it again.
	That sounds like several children, doesn't it?
	We're back.
	That sounds like several children, doesn't it? Yes, and we've had a lot of...
	we've recorded a lot of children in that area and there have been
	reports of children in that area of the grounds of that
	mausoleum and cemetery.
	Oh Well again though, see that leans us toward the idea that die as a child, remain as a child.
	You know it tips it back in that direction.
	Yes it does.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if that's my idea of the way it ought to be.
	Of course, who am I?
	I guess it's going to be whatever it's going to be, and I'm not going to have a thing to say about it.
	Or maybe I will.
	Maybe everybody gets what they think they're going to get over on the other side.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's all theory.
	There's no known things about this phenomenon.
	You would rather not hear children, right Barbara?
	Yes, I would prefer not to hear children.
	Sometimes I wonder if it's a young, you know, sometimes women's voices will sound childlike.
	That's true.
	And there is that possibility that it's just a female voice that sounds like a little child, but there are some words that are pronounced that they just sound like children.
	Maybe, but I've heard some EVPs that are unmistakably, unquestionably children.
	Yes, I'm afraid so.
	Alright, you two, hold it right there.
	The Ghost Investigators Society.
	An electronic voice phenomena.
	From where?
	And from what time?
	I don't know.
	We don't know.
	But either way, it's pretty weird.
	["Time, Time, Time"]
	["I'm Gonna Do It"]
	Can't tell you what I'm gonna do, because I, you know, obviously I'm reading commercials live and I have no time
	to do anything else.
	I just caught this email that came rolling in just during last break and I read the email, which I'll read to you here shortly.
	First, I'm going to forward this to Keith Rowland.
	And we're going to get it up on the website right away.
	I don't see a reason why we can't.
	This is about something that happened in Montana.
	And so let's send it to Keith right now.
	This is a beauty of live radio.
	You can do this kind of thing.
	And there it goes, winging its way to Keith.
	Alright, Keith, when you get this, regarding the situation in Montana, would you please Post these photographs as well as the email.
	I don't see any instructions saying we can't here.
	Even gives us his email address.
	Oh my god.
	We get the weirdest stuff.
	Anyway, that's on the way to Keith right now, so I'll read you the email here at the bottom of the hour.
	Right now we're going to return to the GIS folks, and we're going to return to, well, whatever it is that we're hearing Quite apparently from the other side.
	Welcome back, you two.
	Thank you, Archie.
	Okay, we have lots of work to do tonight in terms of getting all this on the air properly, so what's coming next?
	All right, well, this voice was recorded by Barbara, and we were contacted by a lady who had heard us on your show a few times.
	She was contacting us regarding her parents' house, which obviously was haunted.
	She said that her children that would stay there had seen things, shadows, things like that.
	Right.
	Doors opening and weird noises.
	I mean, it was literally your typical haunting.
	We were just packing up our stuff and kind of getting everything ready to go when this voice comes in that either says, have them come back or have Brendan come back.
	Any real thoughts on which it meant?
	Uh, no.
	Not really.
	All right.
	Uh, let's see if, uh... I don't know.
	Wait a minute here.
	Let me, uh... Let me get the right CD in here, or that's not going to work at all.
	When we're doing these kinds of shows, I've got to end up shuffling CDs back and forth, folks, so... Sorry about that.
	Okay, here it comes now.
	Alright, now see, I'm not as sure of that one.
	I'm not sure.
	You're saying it says have them come back?
	Probably?
	Is that right?
	Yes.
	I can't make that one out.
	I'm being honest with you.
	It's easy.
	Let me try again.
	Okay, the one word I can get out of that clearly is come back.
	I do get that at the end, but I can't tell about the first part.
	I bet you sit around the table arguing about this stuff.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Discussing what it is you just heard all the time, especially when you get to something like this.
	We do, honestly.
	We debate back and forth on what we hear.
	How many of them are really hard calls as opposed to, you know, everybody's sitting around the table and you play it and everybody immediately agrees on what they just heard?
	Well, quite a few of them, actually.
	Very rarely do we actually record a voice where every single member listens to it and says, oh, that has to be what it's saying.
	I mean, a lot of times we record very, very clear voices, but it's still hard to discern what's being said.
	All right, onward.
	Number eight.
	This next voice was recorded by Barry.
	We had been invited To a friend's relative's home.
	It had been in his family for generations, and it's in a little rural area down below Salt Lake City.
	It's a beautiful old home.
	The bricks were made out of the local dirt there, you know?
	I mean, it's a beautiful two-story old home.
	And we were spending the night there at the house, and no one lives in it at this time.
	And we had all gone out onto the, it has several porches around the house, and we had gone out on one of the porches, and he recorded this, and it sounds like it's, the voice says, I tried to get up.
	I tried to get up.
	And was there anything that prompted it?
	Was it interactive, or you don't think so?
	No, we had just gone out to sit out on the porch.
	It had chairs out on the porch, and we were just going out to sit.
	Okay, so, uh, I tried to get up, huh?
	I hear, I hear clearly, I tried.
	I'm not sure about get up.
	Um, everybody's ear is going to be a little different, but I clearly hear I tried.
	Let's do it again.
	Alright, I've got the I tried part down very clearly.
	I'm not sure about the last part.
	You too?
	Oh, I hear I tried to get up.
	That's what I hear.
	Do you ever wonder whether with something like that, you're just, you're eventually making yourself hear something, you know, your brain is forcing you to put it in some logical order, because your brain is expecting it in some logical order.
	So, after you've listened to it the millionth time, your brain wires itself, and you hear exactly that.
	Yeah, well, that's human nature, is to try and discern voices.
	Make order from disorder, yes.
	Exactly.
	I mean, when we hear these, we automatically try to put them into languages, especially the English language, and make phrases out of them.
	And that's especially hard when we get voices in, say, German or other languages.
	Yeah, I've got somebody asking my computer, why you're only getting snatches and parts of sentences and not more complete soliloquies of some sort?
	Real big message.
	You're just getting few words.
	Why do you think that is?
	That goes back to what I was saying earlier, that I think it really takes an effort on their part to even get these few words out.
	Very rarely have we got anything over a sentence.
	In fact, I don't really think we have got anything over a sentence.
	You know, if I was going down the highway at about 60 or 70 miles an hour, a big 18-wheeler, and I had this show rolling right now, Well, this gets into an interesting subject.
	In the dark, on the road, in the middle of the night.
	All right, number nine.
	All right, well, this gets into an interesting subject.
	Virtually every show we've done with you, you have asked us about a real-time recorder
	and that we need to get one.
	Okay, audience, here's what I meant by that.
	In other words, you could get a recorder which would have a record head and then it would
	track over to an active play head so that you could say, are you out there?
	And like about a second later, it would pass over the play head and you would perhaps get an answer, an immediate answer to your question.
	Instead of having to go for hours and hours and hours of reviewing tape to find these EVPs, which is what these two do, you would hear an instant response and And so we thought that was a really good idea, and somebody went to work on that idea for you all, right?
	That is true.
	A wonderful man named Christopher Helms, who's an electronics engineer, has heard us on the show a few times, and had actually had one built by the time that we did your last show in April.
	And finally, you know, we finally got in contact with him, and we actually have two real-time recorders now.
	Oh my.
	It is, and I guess he also has another one that is being ready to get sent to us.
	One of them has a 386 amp built onto it to kind of amplify the second play head, so the voices are a little bit louder.
	Well then, I guess my first question to you would be, obviously it's worked, right?
	It has worked.
	It has worked.
	Alright, when you hear It may be one thing to go home and sit down and intellectually play back a tape and catch something eerie and freaky as that is, but to hear it in the graveyard, on the spot, at the time, that's got to set you back a little.
	Well, I'll tell you, the first really, really strong, clear EVP that we recorded with the Realtime Recorder was, and it's a voice that will be on the show tonight, And the voice says, I feel so bad.
	And it was referring, we assume, was referring to a lady that was here talking about her friend's mother that had passed away with cancer.
	And when I had the headphones on, and when I heard that voice, it shocked me.
	And I immediately turned to Barry, who was sitting right next to me, and I asked him, you know, did you just say anything?
	And he, of course, was sitting kind of slumped back in his seat, not moving like he had just said anything.
	I mean, his body language wasn't congruent with somebody who had just spoke.
	Understand, yes.
	And I talked with everybody and asked them, did Barry just say anything?
	Well, listen to me now.
	The next thing, obviously, to try is to get an interactive response.
	In other words, once you've heard something, to say something congruent with what was just said, and see if it produces yet another response.
	Well, that's true.
	And really, this real-time recorder is going to take a lot of training to use.
	And the reason is, as you mentioned before, there is a one-second delay.
	That's right.
	Actually, it's a little shorter than a second.
	And it's a little confusing to hear your voice and talk at the same time.
	Uh-huh.
	And I pretty much got past that.
	But now we run into the problem where the second playhead actually produces a white noise static.
	And the voices almost end up in that white noise static, so it's hard to actually hear the voices, let alone understand what they're saying.
	Alright, number nine, coming up.
	Alright, well this one, and this was interesting, Barbara recorded this.
	And she obviously didn't hear it at the time because she didn't say anything.
	I wasn't aware that it recorded anything.
	But you hear a voice say, no, and then it says, yes.
	And then Barbara's husband, Roger, says, we invite anyone here to talk with us.
	After that?
	Yeah, after.
	And these voices, these two voices, the no and the yes, they sound like different voices to me.
	Really?
	Maybe it's a debate.
	All right, hold on.
	Let's see if we hear it.
	No and then yes.
	God, it sounds like a domestic squabble or something.
	Listen one more time.
	you know you can't you know you can't it sounds like a domestic uh... squabble
	or something listen to one more time
	you know you can't it's hard to be honest with you you know you can't it sounds like a man and a wife
	uh... uh... uh... uh...
	so you know in that case you could be just uh... sort of tapping in
	on whatever it is it's going on on the other side right Yes, that's correct.
	And that could be an ongoing discussion between two of whatever it is that we're listening to.
	Yes, and we've noticed that with some of our recordings, it's almost like we pick up on conversations that are happening somewhere else.
	Two people.
	Two people.
	Two spirits.
	That might not have a thing to do with you, not be directed at you at all, but you're just picking it up.
	That's right.
	All right, number 10.
	This one was recorded by Brendan, and it also was recorded on the real-time recorder.
	He was walking through the cemetery testing out this recorder and he picked up this voice and it sounds like it
	says she ought to die she ought to die okay
	yeah I can buy that it sure sounds like she ought to die one more time
	she ought to die she ought to die
	for two people who claim that you don't necessarily need to be in a graveyard to
	get good stuff you spend an awful lot of time in graveyards Well, this one particular graveyard has given us some
	wonderful EVP.
	Uh...
	What is the percentage of pickup you get in graveyards compared to, uh...
	Well, at this particular one, we do.
	you know I mean I any place else I mean you you obviously I mean you do go to
	graveyards you must because you get a higher percentage return well at this
	particular one we do we have gone to many graveyards and we might get a few
	EVPs but this one particular one we are able to record an awful lot of EVP there
	mm-hmm it's an older cemetery and there has been ghost activity taking place
	there We found out about it through the local sheriff there.
	Okay.
	I think we've got time for one final one before the bottom of the hour here.
	So let's have it.
	All right.
	Well, I recorded this one and You'll hear me ask, if anyone's here, I ask you to speak with me.
	I'm willing to listen to anything you have to say.
	Yes.
	And right after that, there's a woman that comes in and it sounds like she says, one step in the light.
	And then I say, it just got really cold.
	I don't know if that's because of you guys or not.
	Oh, one step in the light.
	Let's see.
	If anyone's here, I ask you to speak to me.
	I'm willing to listen to anything you have to say.
	She's got really cold.
	I don't know if that's because of you guys or not.
	Oh man, is that freaky.
	That is so freaky one more time.
	If anyone's here, speak to me.
	I'm willing to listen to anything you have to say.
	Just got really cold.
	I don't know if that's because of you guys or not.
	That is so freaky.
	Okay, stay right there.
	Oh, that is so freaky.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	It's like, uh...
	Oookay...
	Come on.
	One step in the light and you're there.
	And you say, and then it got very cold very quickly, huh?
	That's correct.
	It did.
	It actually, it seemed like it must have dropped 10 or 15 degrees.
	I mean, it was just such a sudden temperature change.
	As you were hearing that.
	Well, it was right directly after that.
	Yeah, obviously.
	All right.
	Hold on, you two.
	We'll be right back.
	I'm going to check with Keith and see if he got what I sent him.
	This is one weird story coming out of... One weird story out of Montana.
	And we've got photographs to go with it, too, so I'll see if Keith has received yet, is in the process of sending.
	This is live radio and internet interactive at its very best.
	We managed to get this up tonight.
	You've never seen anything quite like this, or maybe you'll be able to explain it quickly, easily, and we'll dispatch this as nothing.
	But right now, to me, it's as weird as what we're hearing tonight.
	Even cyberspace is kinda weird sometimes, isn't it?
	I mean, I've said this to Keith 10, 12 times, and it just, it disappears in the ether.
	Flat disappears.
	Really weird stuff.
	All right, now back to, uh, back to my guests, and back to more EEVP.
	We've got a little more to go before we can get to phone calls, because we've got a pretty good list tonight.
	So number 17, I guess, is what's coming up next.
	All right, this one are It was recorded in the warden's house of the prison.
	Oh, really?
	The warden's house?
	The warden's house.
	Actually, it's just kind of a kiddie corner to the prison itself.
	It has been standing, well, virtually as long as the prison has.
	I think about 10 years after the prison was built was when the warden's house was built.
	Right.
	In this clip, you're going to hear GIS member Roger say, can you give us a name?
	And they wait for a second, then says, kids.
	And after that, you hear a woman say, Hazel.
	Hazel?
	And you're sure that's an EVP voice, right?
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Alright, here we go.
	Can you hear the flame?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that definitely sounds like Hazel to me.
	Can you hear me, please?
	Yes.
	I wonder, you two, I wonder what percentage of prisoners die in prison.
	You ever wonder about that?
	Yes.
	This particular one, they use this prison more as a rehabilitation prison than a punishment prison.
	It was only open for about 35 years, I believe.
	And they never did any executions at this location.
	One man died, I believe, of natural causes.
	And, you know, when we were talking earlier about how dismal they sound, one thing to keep in mind, the places that we go are not very happy places.
	Yeah, but you go where you find the EVPs.
	Where the ghost activity takes place.
	That's right.
	And so, again, your point of view that you don't think ghosts are happy entities at all, huh?
	No, I don't believe that they're very happy.
	Now, this would be a wag, which is a wild-ass guess, but I mean, how many people who die, do you think, by percentage, become ghosts?
	I think there's more than...
	What people realize, but to give a percentage, I have no clue.
	I wouldn't even guess.
	But more than people think?
	Yes.
	Alright, number 18.
	This is recorded by Roger.
	This is also in the warden's house at Laramie Territorial Prison.
	You'll hear Roger say, he was talking to the director.
	He says, uh, room for you guys to make a claim.
	And you'll hear this EVP say, hit him in the hide.
	Hit him in the hide.
	Alright, here it comes.
	Oh, you guys like playing.
	Oh, my heart.
	That sounds like a kid's voice.
	It does.
	Uh, okay, uh, one more time.
	Listen, doesn't it sound like a kid's voice?
	Don't be a sly playboy.
	Balls in my heart.
	You know, these absolutely are voices.
	I, I, I don't know what else to say.
	They can't be anything else.
	It can't be random tape noise.
	It can't be random anything.
	These are, they're definitely voices.
	Listen, some of the things they say You couldn't come up with some of the stuff they say.
	Oh, you wouldn't?
	That's true.
	What safety measures do you all take to be sure that it wasn't one of your other members who, you know, inadvertently said something or, you know, that it's one of you?
	I mean, do you have two recorders running at once sometimes?
	How do you... We have five.
	Five recorders.
	Now that's interesting.
	How frequently does an EVP show up on one or two or three or four or five recorders?
	Quite a lot of the time it does.
	The EVPs do record on all recorders.
	There are times, as we've mentioned, that they don't show up on a lot of them.
	They'll show up on one recorder and then the other four won't have the same voice.
	Boy, is that weird.
	It is.
	It's almost a phenomena inside of phenomena.
	Yeah.
	It might indicate the electromagnetic phenomena.
	It can be very narrow, very small.
	The window can be very narrow and very small.
	Or it can be large enough to hit all five recorders that are with you at the time.
	That's interesting.
	That's true.
	Have you ever taken with you magnetometers, other instruments that would indicate some sort of paranormal energy?
	Well, we do.
	We take EMF detectors, thermal scanners, the infrared cameras, things like that.
	And how frequently can you correlate an EVP with something else?
	Well, put it this way, not as much as we'd like.
	Because we'd like to see the correlation just to say that's how it's happening.
	Maybe 30% of the time we might see a spike in the EMF detector when an EVP appears on the tape.
	Also, Roger wears a regular compass.
	We went and bought a compass in a sports store that hikers use to put on their watch bands.
	Oh, how interesting.
	Theory being, I bet, that a lot of electromagnetic activity in the compass spins off north.
	Yes, it does.
	And it does?
	Alrighty.
	Number 19.
	All right, well, this is a really interesting voice, Art.
	In this clip, this was recorded in the prison yard itself.
	And I should probably note here that there was a leper that did die in the prison yard.
	A leper?
	A leper.
	And they kind of segregated him from the rest of the prisoners.
	But in this clip, you hear Barbara say, Hello, is anyone here?
	And this man's voice comes in and says, They've hurt me.
	Really?
	All right.
	You see, I don't listen to any of these beforehand.
	I have a list, but I don't listen to any of these because I want to hear them at the same time as you all do.
	Hello?
	Do anyone hear?
	I can't hear you.
	Yeah, that's hard to hear, but I hear it.
	They've heard me, is obviously what's being said.
	Listen very, very carefully.
	Hello?
	Is anyone here?
	They've heard me.
	That's what I hear.
	But boy, you've really got to dig for that one, huh?
	Yeah, it's buried in the static.
	I'm kind of afraid I amplified it too much on the last two loops.
	It just amplified the static with it.
	Yep.
	Well, you get to a sort of a you lose more than you gain point with amplification.
	You can go so far and get a lot out of it, and then you bring the noise floor up so much that you start to lose instead of gain.
	Yes, and I've noticed that a lot just with these voices.
	All right.
	Number 20.
	This was recorded by Roger in the prison.
	Oh, excuse me, this was recorded at the house in Laramie, the couple's house that the director took us to.
	You will hear Barry say, so we can go down there, talking about the stairs that go downstairs, and you'll hear Roger say, yeah.
	And then a man voice says, my quarters.
	My quarters, as in my place, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	So we can go down there?
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah, that's, uh, that's very, very clear.
	Oh, we can go down there?
	Yeah.
	My quarters.
	No question about that.
	As in my place.
	Wow.
	Where do you two want all this to go?
	I mean, obviously you're working with a real-time recorder now, so you've taken that step.
	Where do you want it to go?
	Where do you want this whole area of research, by the way, that goes back for the audience, not just to this program and to these two, but back in time, just about the beginning of the invention of the telephone, it goes back that far.
	A lot of people don't know that, that there's a lot of history in the kind of research you all are doing here.
	Where do you want it to go from here?
	Where should it go?
	Well, we would definitely like to see it get into more of a communication.
	And, as you said, with the real-time recorder, that's our hope, is that we can develop some kind of a communication between us and Spirit.
	Our other goal is to simply educate people and show them that this is something that's really out there.
	I mean, that's why we don't charge for anything, because we'd feel that that might ruin our credibility.
	It would.
	Yeah, it would.
	I mean, it's hard enough by itself, but you're doing it the right way.
	Absolutely doing it the right way.
	It's pure research.
	All right, number 21.
	All right.
	This is definitely a weird voice.
	It's almost kind of thingy sounding.
	And the voice sounds like it says it's called the Fat Girl.
	This was recorded inside the prison by Barry.
	Okay, and it's called the Fat Girls, what's it?
	Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
	Alright, let's see.
	Alright, now I'm not as sure about the first part as I listen.
	I can absolutely hear Fat Girl at the end.
	That's all, though.
	Listen again.
	Alright, so there you are.
	I can make out Fat Girl very easily.
	I'm not sure about the first part.
	And it's singing.
	Some kind of singing, yeah.
	Sing song voice?
	Huh.
	Well, maybe there's a little singing that goes on on the other side, huh?
	Yeah.
	All right, let's let's rush now because I want to get a segment in a phone call.
	So 22.
	This one was quite unusual.
	I recorded this.
	You will hear me say, will you talk with us?
	And you'll hear this.
	You who?
	Brendan also heard this on his real time.
	But he did not record it on his real time player.
	Oh, that's weird.
	It is.
	That's really weird because it has to go by the record head to get it to play and for you to hear it, right?
	That's correct.
	It's definitely a very weird experience not to hear that after I heard it through the headphones.
	Let's go.
	Go.
	Please talk with us.
	Woo.
	Huh.
	Woo.
	Woo.
	Well, that was all easy to make up.
	Please talk with us, and then the you who sound kind of like almost taunting.
	Listen.
	Please talk with us.
	Well, I'll tell you, of all the weird businesses in the world to be in, you two really can pick them.
	And actually, it's not a business, but I mean areas of research.
	This is weird stuff.
	This goes back how many years, this research?
	Well, ever since Marconi and Edison, both of them were working on ways to contact the dead, and kind of early examples of EVP were started by them.
	All right, number 23.
	All right, this one, this was also recorded at the prison, and you'll hear Jennifer, who is the prison director.
	And by the way, I'd like to thank Jennifer and the rest of the staff for allowing us to stay the night in the prison.
	But in this clip, you hear her say, yeah, that's a chainsaw.
	And right after that, you hear a woman that just sounds demented almost say, yeah, that's me.
	Really?
	Chainsaw, huh?
	Alright.
	Oh, demented is a good word for that.
	listen to that breathy voice yeah I can just imagine being clipping along in an 18-wheeler
	in the middle of the night listening to this stuff
	aye aye aye Yeah, that's me.
	Alright, one more to do tonight, and it's number 24.
	This is recorded by Roger, and he recorded this in the prison, and it says, get me out of here.
	And there was no interactive aspect to it?
	No, there was no talking at the time.
	Now, here's what you would expect to hear in a prison.
	Something like, get me out of here.
	Alright, let's see.
	God, I hear it alright.
	There's no question, get me out of here.
	Now, you'd expect to hear that in a prison, wouldn't you?
	One more time.
	listen very carefully so well there it is and i i assume that you all
	believe the the context of that too uh... to be clearly what it obviously is and that is
	someone's in prison and we'll get the hell out of there and there's still not out
	of there right I'm still not out of there.
	So, you go to troubled places.
	them.
	What about the more sensitive places?
	I mean, can you get into funeral homes?
	Yes, we have.
	Oh, you have?
	Yes.
	That would be one area I would think they would be disinclined to allow you, you know, in the freshly dead.
	We were extremely surprised that we were allowed in, for one, let alone that there were actual bodies in the place when we were there.
	And did you get anything?
	Yeah, in fact, we played one of the voices on your show a few shows back that says, so is the dead.
	So is the dead.
	All right, look, what I'm going to do is break here at the bottom of the hour, and when we come back, I'd like to allow the audience to ask you questions about all they've heard tonight, okay?
	All righty.
	All right, stand by, please.
	And that's exactly what's coming up.
	Your turn.
	You have questions about this.
	If you heard all this and you don't have questions, then you better check yourself for a pulse.
	Because you may be trying to reach us from the other side.
	Otherwise, I expect you have questions.
	Coming up next, I'm Art Bell.
	In the high desert, this is Coast.
	the world.
	Bye.
	It's finally going to get up on the website here in the next five or ten minutes.
	Very, very shortly, and it'll be there for the remainder, well, through tomorrow night.
	Well, through tomorrow.
	And by the way, tomorrow will be a repeat.
	I'll be off tomorrow, attending to the fireworks celebration here in Pahrump.
	And I hope those of you close enough to come and bring sound trucks or whatever are able to do so, or just make it out here to the desert where there's going to be the biggest bang in the whole state.
	Oh my, it's going to be something.
	For the moment, we're going to go back now to Uh, to the GIS folks, and begin to open the lines and let you ask questions.
	So are you two ready for questions from the great public?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	Well then, here it comes.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Yes.
	How are you?
	Okay, sir.
	Um, well, just had a few questions, actually.
	Oh, and just for you, I'm listening to your show, WWNC in Asheville, North Carolina.
	Yes, sir.
	On a 37-tube AM radio.
	Oh really?
	Big, huge floor model, great radio.
	Good, good.
	My questions were, one, have they tried to utilize all the technology to isolate these voices?
	For example, I'm a musician and I'm aware of some technology which uses notch filtering to isolate particular frequencies so that You can get rid of any kind of background frequency and just isolate those frequencies that you want.
	It's a very, very good question.
	You two, how about it?
	It is actually a good question, and that's something we were going to bring up earlier on the show.
	Right now, we're looking for an audio engineer for a project that we're going to be working on.
	And a lot of it's going to have to do with analyzing these voices.
	Like, there's DSP, for example.
	Yeah, well, I mean, there's a lot of technology out there, but the cheapest available is like, well, really, it may sound stupid, but there are karaoke machines, which you can put your tape in and erase the voice, and what he uses is a notch filter to do it.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	Where you could... No, you're right.
	I mean, the police, for example, can eliminate all kinds of background sounds and bring one voice out of many voices.
	Oh yeah.
	They have that ability.
	So if they had that level of technology, we might be getting much clearer EVPs.
	Yeah, I mean, there's probably technology out there for the computer, which is far beyond anything that I've seen in a rack mount piece.
	I agree.
	I mean, I guess I'm really, I'm a born skeptic because I've Sort of, I think.
	I'm open-minded, but I've never really had a paranormal experience myself.
	Alright, well, based on what you've heard tonight, I mean, these are coming off clean tapes, brand new, never opened, just out of the box, and recorded, boom, there it is.
	Skeptical as you may be, what do you think this is?
	Well, I think, I mean, just in my opinion, of course, I think that it's, when you have, I mean, I've heard EVPs before, with different programs, including your own, And it's really hard to discount that information because you don't just, it, random sound, at least from my experience as a musician, even stuff that I've recorded, you don't, random sound doesn't generate itself in the patterns that I think they've been able to put on tape.
	And it just, I mean, I believe the only reason I say I'm a skeptic is just because I haven't experienced it myself.
	Maybe that makes me wrong, I'm not sure.
	But when you hear it, sir, like tonight, what do you think you're hearing?
	Oh, it sounds, a lot of it sounds very much like voices.
	They've had several programs to think on the learning channel where they've dealt with some EVP before.
	That's right.
	A lot of people assume this is, thank you, some thing unusual to my show and just some sort of catchy thing.
	It's not.
	EVP is a science of its own.
	It's been around now for a long, long time.
	But the point he made about higher-tech equipment that, for example, forensic police labs use to pick voices out, you might approach somebody in one of those labs, like the FBI crime lab, like they're not too busy, or something like that, and worm your way in.
	And see if you can get some of that technology because applied to what you're doing now could be incredible.
	Well, we would ask anybody who does have access to that technology or a background in audio engineering to contact us.
	Alright, how about how to contact you?
	How do they do it?
	Well, there's a couple ways you can contact us.
	One, you can go to the website and email any one of the members by clicking on their names.
	You can email the GIS at ghostpix.com The website address is ghostghostpixpix.com.
	That's the website.
	Alright.
	And you can also contact us now by P.O.
	Box and that is the Ghost Investigator Society at P.O.
	box two three eight three weight in utah
	eight four zero four one dash nine three eight three well you're gonna have to do
	that again Everybody's grabbing for a pen and not by any means getting it all.
	So the address again, please.
	All right.
	The address is the Ghost Investigator Society at P.O.
	Box 2383 Layton, Utah 84041-9383.
	Okay.
	Or at GhostPix.com.
	That's P-I-X.com.
	Yes.
	uh...
	eight four zero four one dash nine three
	eight three okay or at
	uh... ghost pics that's p i x dot com all right uh...
	all right by the way the uh... the montana horror whatever the hell that thing is is on the website right now
	folks are Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hey Art, it's me, Greg.
	Yes, Greg.
	Calling from the monster in Pacific Northwest, KOMO.
	KOMO, yes sir, 1000 Seattle.
	Oh yeah, the big bad boy.
	So, two questions.
	One, does this ever freak you out while you're out there?
	Yeah.
	You know, come on, a bunch of grays, and does it ever really freak you out while you're out there?
	We're actually more scared of the living.
	We're afraid in some of the places that we go which are quite run down and abandoned that there might be a transient or somebody that might attack us.
	Yeah, okay.
	That makes sense, yeah.
	So, another question, and it kind of relates to what the previous caller was.
	I listen to art on a 1932 Philco radio that I rebuilt.
	Oh, it's a beauty.
	I love this thing.
	Good for you.
	And believe me, they are so hard to rebuild.
	Oh, they are.
	They are.
	Sure, try to go find tubes.
	There are some antique suppliers, but it's hard.
	It is so hard, but I can, like tonight, I can listen to things and they come through so clear and I can hear them just beautifully.
	And I hear them the first time through.
	Well, congratulations, sir, and good luck on restoring old radios is a blast.
	And to listen to something like this coming out of an old radio, old Philco speaker, middle of the night, aye yai yai.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hello.
	Finally, yay!
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Where are you?
	My name's Eric.
	I'm calling from Peabody, Mass.
	Okay.
	And I listen to NWRKL.
	Yes, sir.
	And I have just two points to make, and then I'll hang up and listen offline.
	Sure.
	One is, I think the one that was out on the south side, it also could have sounded like, out by the stop sign.
	If you listen to it again, it looked pretty clear to me.
	Out by the stop sign.
	I know.
	Well, there lives on a corner, and there was a stop sign on that corner.
	Maybe there was an accident of some kind out there.
	Who knows?
	What would really quench this for me is if you went to a foreign country like Spain or Holland and these voices started speaking Spanish, French, or Dutch.
	Now that's really interesting that you bring that up.
	I was just sent an article today by a man named Joseph Bowman about a researcher in Italy that has been doing some wonderful EVP research and all of his voices are in Italian.
	And as we've mentioned, we've been to cemeteries where there's quite a mixed population of people from other countries and have recorded German and Spanish and things like that.
	And some are not sure what the language is, but we know it's not English.
	Right, and one last point.
	I wonder if it has to do with the researchers.
	Like, if they speak English, if the voices will manifest as English.
	Or if maybe you send someone out who speaks Spanish or another language, if maybe they will hear somehow on the tape, magically, I don't know, it'll appear in a different language.
	That is a really good... I don't think we've ever thought of that before.
	And I'll listen off the end now.
	Thank you.
	Well, um... Alright, he's listening off air.
	Anything else you do want to add, or...
	Well, we don't know anybody right off hand that knows how to speak another language that would be willing to go out with us.
	So when you get there, you'll try it?
	Yes.
	I think it'd be interesting to see what they would say.
	A lot of people fast-blasting me want to know why the sing-songy voice so many times.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	No, other than just maybe the attitude of that entity at the time.
	Whatever mood they're in.
	And I can imagine a lot of the prisoners probably passed their time singing.
	Yeah, so can I, actually.
	Oh, what's for the Rockies?
	You're on the air with the EVP Kings and Queens.
	Hello.
	Now push the button, Arthur.
	Now you're on the air.
	Sorry about that, caller.
	Hello, this is Anthony in Fairbanks.
	Fairbanks, Alaska, way up north.
	Yes.
	And I've got two questions.
	The first one, has any member of the GIS team ever gone to a pet cemetery and recorded animal sounds?
	We've gone to a pet cemetery, but we have not recorded animal sounds there.
	We have recorded animal sounds at other locations, but not at the pet cemetery.
	Okay, and then my other question, uh, most people seem to think that, uh, from a ghost point of view on the other side, time would be different.
	So have you ever heard an EVP that refers to something that you're about to say on the tape?
	Uh, yeah.
	Really?
	Actually, um, in fact, that example that we played tonight, the one where it says, no, yes, and then Roger asked if anybody will speak with us.
	Uh-huh.
	I kind of wondered if that was them contemplating that question before it had been asked.
	We've had occurrences where it seems like they've answered a question.
	Sometimes there have been on occasions where they have said something and then one of the members will repeat almost word for word what the EVP said.
	Boy, this is strange stuff.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with the GIS group, hello.
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes.
	On recording number 16, I have a question also, but recording number 16, what I got when I listened to that was, my friend is still outside.
	Okay.
	My friend is still outside.
	Now, that's interesting, because the first time I heard that, I heard, I'm still outside.
	Okay, because I got, my friend is still outside, when I heard that over and over It is.
	Yes, it is.
	The reason is, it's just so clear and loud.
	But then again, that goes back to what we were saying, that even though they're loud, they're not so easy to discern what's being said.
	Yeah, let's all listen again, number 16.
	And actually, number 16, they think, and I thought too, was very clear, and I thought it said, out by the South Side.
	Listen.
	And you still hear the same thing, Hoyer?
	I still hear the same thing.
	My friend is still outside.
	Now I'm hearing out by the south side.
	I'm going to listen and try to hear my friend.
	My friend is still outside.
	Collar, I still got the same thing.
	I don't hear a friend.
	Yeah, I don't either, but I appreciate the call.
	Thank you.
	Also, I do have a question.
	How would a person get into something like this?
	Very carefully.
	Very carefully.
	It's extremely easy.
	As I've mentioned, I started out as a skeptic.
	I didn't, I mean, I believed in ghosts, but I did not believe in the EVP phenomenon.
	And it really, all it took was me taking a little $10 tape recorder out with a brand new tape and trying it.
	And it probably took me three times until I received a voice.
	And ever since then, I've just been fascinated.
	Okay.
	It really doesn't matter Whether it's an expensive recorder or a cheap one, you can record EVP on any tape recorder.
	On any tape then.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you.
	I think I'll give that a whirl.
	Would you report back to me, please, on how you do, sir?
	Sure, I will.
	All right.
	I'll look forward to that.
	Thank you.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with the GIS group.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I was wondering, have they ever decided to go with the mic?
	A place where they had, like, a famous battle of the way of American history and try to contact, well, not necessarily contact, but... Yeah, battlefields.
	Battlefields.
	That's a question.
	You two, have you ever gone to, like, Gettysburg?
	Whatever?
	We haven't gone to Gettysburg.
	We've gone up to areas where there have been massacres and things like that in the old west days.
	And what do you get?
	General EVP, just the, I mean generally what we've played, there have been times we've recorded just faint screaming and kind of what sounds like almost a residual gunshot.
	A residual gunshot, that's really interesting.
	We were talking earlier about there are people now who believe that the Vatican has what they're calling a kind of time machine and the theory is it's sound and light.
	A couple of questions real quick.
	Have y'all ever recorded voices in the normal octave of people that y'all didn't hear at the time?
	and so it could easily be... East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS group. Hello.
	Hello? Yes, sir. Yeah, a couple of questions real quick.
	Have y'all ever recorded voices in the normal octave of people that y'all didn't hear at
	the time? Y'all like normal speaking voices?
	Um... yeah, we have. Um...
	And that's interesting because a lot of this doesn't, is not audible at the time.
	There are times when we do hear it at the time, but that's extremely rare.
	But yes, we have recorded them in the regular human speech sound.
	Okay, and what type of software do y'all use for pulling the EVPs out?
	What type of what, sir?
	Of software?
	What are y'all using to... Because I know it gets muddled down in the... It's below the normal octave of hearing.
	And it gets muddled in the noise, in the background noise.
	And I'm wondering, how do you pull that out?
	If I were interested in recording... Recording some stuff, and... Well, I think the truth is, with a lot of EVPs, even though they're hard to hear, you won't have to pull it out of anything.
	It will just be there.
	Okay.
	Is that true, y'all?
	Yes, that's true.
	All you need to do, really, is take your recorder and patch it somehow into the sound card of your computer.
	And then... Make a WAV file.
	Yeah, just make a WAV file, MP3 file, whatever.
	And there's 20 million different freeware programs that can pull it off.
	We use a combination of different programs, but the main one is CoolEdit.
	Cool edit.
	Okay, thank you.
	You're going to drive, caller?
	Yes, I am.
	I've actually had a voice say, Help me, Randy, help me.
	That came over what?
	It came from everywhere.
	It was in my garage, and it was the most incredible Dolby surround sound I've ever heard.
	I literally was frozen with fear.
	It blew me away.
	Is your name Randy?
	Yes it is.
	That's something that I've noticed when we have audibly heard them.
	It sounds like it comes from nowhere.
	I mean you can't pinpoint where it's coming from.
	It sounds like it's all around you.
	Yeah, it totally encompassed me.
	It was from everywhere and from in my head and it literally froze me with fear.
	As you said, Dolby Sound, huh?
	Oh, it... it... THX and all has nothing on it.
	It was amazing.
	Well... Take your recorder and go out into your garage again.
	And we'd definitely be interested in hearing any results that you might get from it.
	Uh, I will definitely am going to do that, and you said it's cool edit.
	Yes, cool with it.
	Okay, well, I appreciate it.
	Thank you, and folks, we're out of time again.
	What an incredible program you have provided.
	I hope you will be back again soon.
	I trust you'll be out there collecting and collecting, eh?
	In fact, every day, just real quick, you might be interested to know that we are planning on going back to the Rawlins prison.
	I am interested.
	Thank you.
	Good night, you two.
	Good night.
	All right, there you have it, folks.
	That's the GIS group.
	Uh, don't forget, tomorrow night, My Little Town, Trump.
	We're gonna have the big, and I mean really big bang, if you're in range, come on out.
	That's tomorrow night.
	That's except tomorrow night, uh, tonight, actually, this time zone.
	Here in the high desert.
	So, for tonight... Goodnight, all.

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