Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth of the Ghost Investigation Society (GIS) present chilling EVP recordings—children screaming in a mausoleum (Feb), voices like "I tried to get up" in a Salt Lake City home, and "they’ve hurt me" near a prison yard—using engineer Christopher Helms’ real-time device, though static often obscures clarity. Most EVPs emerge post-recording via software like CoolEdit, with 60-70% seemingly responsive, like a child’s "a perfect circle" or a spirit’s "Hazel." Their non-profit work aims to debunk skepticism without commercial bias, yet unsettling cases—like Randy’s "help me, Randy" in surround sound—suggest deeper, unexplained phenomena beyond mere audio artifacts. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's morning morning or actually.
Recover them all, one way or the other.
That's a lot of coverage, isn't it, folks?
Adding to that tonight with WNLS in Tallahassee, Florida.
1270 on the top of 5,000 watts round the clock.
They call themselves News Radio 1270WSLA.
Actually, it's in tampa the DM at WNOS Judy Bailey and the PDJL number.
It's like tonight, for example, we're going to be leading the next hour with EVP.
Now, there's nothing freakier than EVP.
That's Electronic Voice Phenomena.
And my guests, Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, they're really interesting.
You've got to give it to them on a number of scores.
Number one, they don't sell anything.
They don't write any books.
They've expended thousands of their own hours and dollars on what they do.
And then what they do is take tape recorders with never recorded on tapes out into graveyards and haunted locations.
And they record the voices of people.
And now here, I'll split it off a bit and I'll say, on the one hand, ghosts, departed souls, dead people.
Now, I understand there's a large Christian contingent which would view it as something else just as chilling, though.
Demons.
The Christians, many Christians, would view these not as ghosts because they view the dead as dead, but rather as Christians.
As demons.
But either way you look at it, whichever they are, they are real, startling, scary, will make you contemplate the nature of the world, and that's coming up next hour.
As Americans celebrate the 4th of July tomorrow, U.S. combat jets, you'll be happy to know, will be patrolling the skies over New York, Washington, and other cities because U.S. intelligence is picking up more talk about an attack on or about July 4th, but there's still nothing specific or cooperative.
Under the command of the Homeland Security Director, Time Ridge, the White House Coordination Center has established lines of communication to be in instant contact tomorrow with each of more than 2,000 Independence Day celebrations.
Now, I want to say this one last time because it's my last chance to say this.
Some people will be headed towards small towns.
Might I make a selfish suggestion?
Our little town, relatively, certainly, of Peramp, Nevada, I mean, relatively, we are a small town, right?
Growing, albeit, but small.
We are going to have, they say, the largest fireworks demonstration in the state of Nevada.
So it really might be worth your while if you're in driving distance to come to a small town like Trump to see the biggest fireworks display.
I mean, we're talking thousands of shells, thousands and thousands of shells.
Big 16-inch guns.
I don't know where they got them.
I don't ask about that.
But I just know they have them.
Now, the one thing we could use, the entire thing is going to be orchestrated, coordinated, choreographed by KNYEFM, our little station here in Prompt on 95.1.
And what we want people to do, because we don't have a big PA system, we want people to bring boom boxes, anybody who's got a portable, in fact, anybody who's got a portable sound system and can come out there and put 95.1 through a loudspeaker, that'd be extra cool.
Really extra cool, because we need to wash the audience in the choreographing.
So if you have something like that and want to bring it out to Prump, it'd be a good time to do it.
It's going to be something.
It's really going to be something.
We're going to choreograph the whole thing beginning at about 9.15 at night.
The sky is going to turn a little different here in Prump.
It's really going to be something.
All right, well, anyway, a couple things I'd like to...
Somebody sent this to me, as usual, about a half hour before airtime.
This is an MPEG or a moving video.
And I guarantee you have never seen anything like this in your life.
It's our little 4th of July thing to you, I guess.
It's from somebody named Tom Lindsay who writes that he came across a file today.
It's what appears to be a Hercules.
Let me see if I can read it here.
I'm trying to play the thing myself and it will move out of my way now.
A Hercules aircraft letting go a cargo plane discharging all of its anti-missile flares at one time.
This is, he says, and he's right, a breathtaking thing to see.
You've never...
It's absolutely...
It just lets go all at once.
And I'll tell you something.
They could probably fly this sucker over the head of the Taliban and not drop any ordinance and just do what they have done in this video, and about half the Taliban on the ground would drop dead.
No, heart attacks.
I mean, if you saw this come over you and do that, you would just have a heart attack.
You'd be dead.
And so I'm sure we could kill a bunch of them that way, just this.
So you've got to see it.
It's on my website now.
It's been for about a half hour.
And it's, of course, under What's New.
Just place your cursor over what's new.
Now let's see what else is going on in the world.
The Security Council today extended the UN peacekeeping mission to Bosnia till July 15th, averting threatened shutdown by the U.S. over its demand for immunity for American peacekeepers from the new war crimes tribunal.
Fawcett, as you know, landed actually on a remote ranch in the Australian outback, finally ending his record-breaking flight around the world.
The American Adventurer Spirit of Freedom balloon made a July 4th touchdown on Durham Station Cattle Ranch, about 870 miles northwest of Sydney.
I don't think that's what he intended at all, is it?
I thought he was going to land near St. Louis or something.
Anyway, it bounced along the ground.
Get this, for 15 minutes.
It just skipped and bounced across the ground for 15 minutes, probably shaking Mr. Fawcett up pretty well before stopping.
I thought that was absolutely amazing.
That aircraft collision in Germany, a collision warning system was apparently out of service.
And an air traffic controller was on a break when a Russian jetliner slammed into a cargo plane high above Germany.
So that's great, huh?
We talked a little bit about the collision avoidance system last night.
I was wondering about that.
So it was out of service.
We now find out.
And the controller was on a break.
The U.S. air assault on an Afghan village that residents say killed 44 civilians was part of a larger week-long operation targeting Taliban fighters.
Some of the hundreds of U.S. coalition and Afghan troops in the area had fought gun battles with enemy forces in the days and weeks before the raid on Monday.
And finally, in world news, this is sort of interesting.
As a Texas oil man, President Bush engaged in some of the same kinds of business practices he's now promising to clean up in response to a wave of corporate scandals.
Seems when Bush was a board member of Harkin Energy Corporation, 1989, the Securities and Exchange Commission forced the company to amend its books to reflect millions of dollars in losses that had been masked.
An ISO at that time, Bush, who was on the company's audit committee, was the subject of an insider stock trading investigation by the SEC.
The White House did acknowledge that Bush had failed to promptly disclose the 89 sale of his hardened stock as required by federal law.
In a moment, I have updates on the cattle mutilations or predator attacks, depending on what you want to believe, in Argentina.
And then I've got more on the Vatican's time machine.
I reflect again.
You know, there was this bouncer in England, and they found blood.
You know, he was stabbed in blood, and it was non-human blood, and it was really a wild story.
And we can't get, for all it's worth, we can't get a follow-up on that story.
Somebody has really shut their mouth hard on this one.
Now, I want to review with you again the story from Argentina.
There's some monkey business going on here, folks.
MSNBC had in part the following first article.
MSNBC was first on this.
A real X-Files files case in Argentina.
Government sends team to probe animal deaths.
This was, I think, three days ago, right?
Argentina is sending its own X-File scientists to probe strange deaths of farm animals found dissected, mutilated, and drained of blood on remote pump of plains, killing some have blamed on aliens.
At least 70 animals were reported killed in recent weeks.
Some, listen now, with their genitals and tongues pulled out with surgical precision, surrounded by charred grass with no signs of any blood.
One horse's hoof had a circle drawn into it.
Now that was the June 19th MSNBC story.
And then following that, we get a story saying that the whole thing is nothing at all.
It is just nothing but predators.
And that just doesn't, you know, it does not square with story number one, which was very specific about the surgical precision.
And story number two says, oh, it's baloney.
And now today, story number three from Ananova, cow mutilation mystery deepens with three more deaths.
The mystery surrounding cow mutilations in Argentina has now taken a new twist with the discovery of three more bodies.
Scientists say the deaths of more than 100 cows are due to, as I told you, natural causes, but they say the bodies have been attacked by foxes and rodents and so forth.
How they do that with surgical precision, I don't know.
The locals, of course, speculating aliens or vampires.
Now, three more dead have been found with unusual insects inside of them.
That's examining the carcasses.
Inalto Bello, told a Liberal newspaper that it was abnormal to find the insects inside the dead bodies, though they would not say what kind of insects they were.
So here's a story that it's almost like Roswell, isn't it?
In 1947, a major Marcel who would know a flying saucer from a weather balloon reports a flying saucer has crashed.
Then the story gets bigger, and then it gets killed, and then it's a weather balloon.
He's holding up little pieces of the tinker toy weather balloon.
This story is kind of tracking in a similar way, I thought, in Argentina.
First, you get 100 cows cut with surgical precision, and then you get a story about rodents, and then you start getting stories about more cows.
Now, that sounds just like the way the Roswell story went to me.
Now, the other thing, you know what, Friday, I might do something on time travel in open lines.
I mean, I am so totally fascinated with time travel right now.
Last night, I read you this story about the Vatican.
I'll read it from Wireless Flash again right now, and I've got more.
First, the Vatican was accused of hiding the records of priests who've abused kids.
Now, it's being accused of hiding a time machine.
The machine in question is called a chronovisor.
It was built in the 1950s by a Benedictine monk named Father Pellegrino Ernetti.
No photographs of the chronovisor exist, but paranormal journalist John Chambers, who we're trying to get hold of, says Ernetti reportedly used the Wayback Machine, that's in quotes, to film Christ's crucifixion for Vatican officials.
Ernetti died in 1994 without revealing the secret of the chronovisor, but Chambers says evidence is now mounting that the Catholic Church is hiding a working model from the rest of the world, supposedly to keep it from getting into evil hands.
Sounds crazy, maybe, but there may be something to it.
Chambers says a Jesuit priest named Father Francius Brunet believes that the chronovisor must exist because in the priest's words, quote, Ernetti wouldn't lie about such things, and quote, now tonight comes a little more on the chronovisor.
The Benedictine father, Marcello Pellegrini Ernetti, invented a method of recovering sound waves from the past and converting them into visual and acoustic reconstruction of history.
Father Ernetti, a professor at a conservatory and an Italian conservatory of religious instruction for men, accomplished his research in collaboration with 12 physicists who remain anonymous.
In 1956, Father Ernetti began to investigate the possibility of reviewing the past with a television-like device.
In 1957, he began collaborating with the Portuguese professor Damatos, who was researching the same problem.
Ernetti's theoretical approach was based on Aristotle's concept of the disintegration of sound, according to which light and sound waves do not disappear after being produced, but are rather transformed in some way and remain present indefinitely.
According to Ernetti, sound waves subdivide into harmonics that can be recovered with appropriate instruments.
That's right, recovered.
Ernetti stated that every human being traces from birth to death a double furrow of light and sounds.
This constitutes his individual identity mark.
Same applies to an event, to music, to movement.
The antennas used in our laboratory enable us to tune into these furrows of pictures or sound.
Ernetti recovered photographs of such events as the crucifixion of Christ and reconstructed acoustic events such as the Quinticinus tragedy and the original Latin from a performance in 169 BC.
Get this?
He also claimed to have recovered the original text of the Ten Commandments given to Moses.
He refused to reveal any details of his invention, and it has been thoroughly suppressed by the Italian government.
So this just drives me totally berserk.
It is time travel of a sort.
It is not, if, as described here, a time machine technically.
However, if you can selectively go back, almost like changing TV channels, and you can recapture the light and the sound from an event in the past, then you could end up, I suppose, with an MPEG.
You know, an MPEG, just like the one I've got on the website, the Hercules dumping.
Oh, my God, you've got to see that.
But that event in time would not have to be captured by a camera at that moment because that event in time is always there.
They mentioned antennas, right?
Antennas.
And that would make sense to me.
If light and sound are, in essence, eternal, and if you're on the right frequency or you're doing the right thing, who knows what their machine constitutes, right, how they do it technically, but if everything is right, then you can virtually play this event back on kind of a TV.
And what would the Vatican go after?
Things like the crucifixion, of course.
The Ten Commandments.
Now, would they like to know about those?
To actually stop, freeze frame Moses with the tablets in his hand and read the Ten Commandments?
That'd be exactly the kind of thing the Vatican would do with it, right?
Oh, just a quick note for those of you who might be headed to our little fair town here in the desert of Prompt, Nevada, I recommend you come around dusk, you know, just before dusk, just around dusk, because it's going to be hot.
You know, we live in the desert here, and it goes up to 102, 103, 105, sometimes 108 degrees, pretty typical about this time of year.
We are in summer, no question about it.
But when the sun goes down in the desert, it takes a sudden drop down to about 90, and with no humidity, and tomorrow's forecast, clear skies, light wind, it is God's country to be sure.
I mean, there's nothing like it in the entire world until you've experienced the dry air of the desert at night.
It's really something.
So it should be a good night.
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Especially those of you who have sound trucks out there.
You said, well, they'd go back and they wouldn't find any crucifixion because it never happened, right?
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Yes.
I want to extend that to another aspect of that, to the present.
And what people believe wrongly, in my view, wrongly, will happen in maybe the near future, which I see will not happen.
And I'm going to relate that to the Time Machine that you talked about because people, I think, who do not look at this, what you talked about, Time Machine, skeptically with critical thinking, possibly believe that.
Now, relating to what I just said, now, did you see last week's Time magazine, the cover story of last week's Time magazine?
I'll tell you right now what it is.
Did you see it?
Yeah.
It said to the apocalypse.
How many people in our country, many people believe literally that this is the end of days, the end of the world prophecy, Armageddon, Revelation, the rapture, et cetera, et cetera.
No, I'm saying I'm going to talk about it from a logical, rational, secular point of view.
Because there seem to be negative things happening now, which might mimic or parallel some things that people seem to say are in the Bible written thousands of years ago, pestilence, war, famine, et cetera, et cetera.
A does not mean, therefore, that the things that will happen next, supposedly ultimately, with Jesus coming down the cloud, people being raptured up, things disappearing, and then a nuclear war with people going to heaven and Armageddon, all this religious stuff.
Because the first part happens, what's happening now does not logically follow what people believe next will happen will happen.
What I'm trying to say is what I utterly fear is religious people, particularly religious people in government, we have the most religious president of the United States right now in modern times, very conservative and very religious, more religious than Ronald Reagan, who I fear literally believes in all this stuff, the rapture, Armageddon, et cetera, et cetera.
And what terrifies me as I'll say non-believer, okay, I'll use that word.
Here's one way of thinking about it for you, Bill, and that is that either way you think about it, whether you think that they really are signs of the end times and that might happen, which I know you don't, or you think that it is because so many believe and so many do believe, Bill, compared to you, that it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Either way, your ass is grass.
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Yeah, and that's right.
And me, as a non-believer, just one more time, please one more time, as an atheist, as well as other atheists, speaking for other atheists and agnostics who might end up dying from, let's say, chemical, biological, nuclear if it should hit our country, when we're not religious and I have nothing to do with any of the three so-called great religions of our planet, it's utterly unfair to me or, for that matter, people who are Wicca or other religions, let alone religious people who don't want to die because they're liberal religious people.
In other words, they could self-fulfill not the religious version of the Bible, but a secular, rational version, meaning a nuclear war.
We had numbers, we had websites, and I'm telling you, man, just well, the reason that I ask is maybe you can have this professor on, this guy from Italy, who built this other time machine.
Because if this thing works, maybe the Air Force or Ares 51, which I hope you do more programs on, knows about this and they're doing some work down there.
I mean, Madman's been gone a long time now, and now Dr. Anderson there may be a very conventional explanation for Dr. Anderson, but it's like he's number two of the time travel people.
He's number two.
Until I hear otherwise.
And I can't be so sure that given the opportunity to pull the lever or whatever, if I could do it one way, that I wouldn't go somewhere, somewhere, and I don't know when that would be.
But it might be just too tempting for somebody researching time travel, you know, after they send a mouse or two or whatever it is they send, you know, to climb in themselves.
Besides the birds, my cat, she caught a bird this morning.
And so it's got to be slow of stealth, you know, for her to catch it.
And my cat, that's the first bird that she's caught in a long time.
But I think, because my cat's been throwing up, my dogs have been throwing up, and I think there's something going on here that they're not telling or doing that they should be doing because the animals are getting sick here.
If you want to give us a thought, though, that's fine.
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Sure.
I'd just like to say that I'm very proud of the men and women that are in the armed services right now that fight for our country, and we should remember them on this date because this is a very important date.
And a couple of years ago, I told the manager of the Miami station down there, WIOD, I thought it would be impossible ultimately it ever become number one just because it's so divided from a language point of view.
And so I thought it would be absolutely impossible, an English talk show.
And it was so amazing that I got an email from the manager of WIOD, and I framed it.
I've got it on the wall.
It's one of my proud accomplishments in an area where you never in all your life thought that you could outrank everybody else in the middle of the night.
I had a map up on the website that would show you, you know, you'd put in your zip code and it would show you how close the nuclear waste was going to get to your house, what highway.
The American public has got to come to grips with the fact that while it's going to be stored in my backyard here in Yucca Mountain, seismically active Yucca Mountain, I might add, that's not the dangerous part, really.
Really, it isn't.
The dangerous part of this whole operation is the transportation of this poison that's got to be maintained for hundreds of thousands of years safely.
But, I mean, getting it from point A to point B is like, you remember the thousand points of light?
Well, it's like thousands of points of terrorist target possibilities.
The American public has to understand that's the dangerous part of this.
Moving it successfully, avoiding terrorists who are bound to use it as a target, the inevitability of accidents, all of that is the dangerous part of this.
If they just conclude that who cares about, you know, screw Nevada was the bill, the official name of the bill, actually not official, but same effect.
And think, well, who cares about Nevada?
It's the transportation of this stuff, folks.
You better check it out.
It's coming to a road and highway near you soon.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast.
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I've been feeling calm in the air tonight, oh Lord.
Okay, Brennan Cook and Barbara Macbeth, who are representing the society, are two of five members that are the GIS.
The society is non-profit, and the GIS members have spent thousands of dollars and hours dedicated to researching what They consider to be ghost phenomena.
They realize that EVP is one of the most controversial aspects of ghost research, and that there are many speculations and theories about the spectral voices that have been recorded on audio and videotape.
The GIS members believe the voices they have recorded are the voices of the dead.
Most of the time, these voices interact and respond to the members that record them.
That's the puzzling thing.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs presented will help demonstrate that the consciousness does survive after the body dies, and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
I don't know whether you caught the first hour of the program, but we've been discussing this.
What's a time machine or a time viewing machine the Vatican may or may not have?
There's some serious stories out there.
They claim to have photographed virtually, have video of or photographed the crucifixion itself, that kind of thing.
That light and sound never essentially die.
They just keep radiating and they're around and your desk remembers what happened to it from the time it became a desk or when it was a tree or whatever.
You get the idea that everything remains around, so to speak.
And he suggested that perhaps what you get on your tapes might be some remnant of something once said in time past.
And that it could be just sort of that it seems as though it's being responsive to you, that it's not an actual disembodied consciousness speaking to you from the other side.
Well, that theory may work, aside from the fact, as we mentioned on every show we've done with you, that these voices interact with us and, in some cases, give us contemporary information.
I mean, things that show there's a consciousness behind it.
They're aware of themselves and they're aware of us.
Well, I've heard you say many times in the past that you believe that people who die and then are ghosts or spirits exhibit the same kind of tendencies they did in life.
You know, if you're a happy-go-lucky person, then you're a happy-go-lucky prankster kind of ghost, I guess.
And if you're a nasty, miserable, rotten human being, then you're going to be a nasty, miserable, rotten ghost.
Didn't you ever think that you could get a gigantic electromagnetic source and wipe those tapes as clean as they would be when they come to you out of the wrapper?
Now, I would imagine, as public as you have been on this program, and you've been a repeat guest or guests, That you had a gazillion volunteers and people wanting to join, and yet you have held the group to five.
I mean, generally you get the larger group of people together, and then you're going to get politics within the group, and you're going to get a lot of disagreements and anger and people upset with each other and that sort of thing.
Have you figured out how hard it is, that it must be incredibly hard for a spirit to get something through to our dimension, for lack of a better word, on tape?
Is that really take a great deal of energy or whatever from the other side to do that?
From everything that we've experienced, it seems like it is hard, and it takes a great deal of effort for them to do that and to affect our audio tapes.
And the reason I say that is a lot of the voices are very quiet and soft-spoken.
I mean, the voices that we present on your show are obviously the best of the best of the recordings that we get.
Well, there are cases that have been documented where a person who has died has been witnessed by several different people in different stages of that person's life.
And I don't know if a ghost can appear in a way that they want you to see them.
So, I mean, this is no matter what it is you believe about these, whether you think they're ghosts of dead people, or you think they're demonic spirits trying to fool us or time travelers, it wouldn't matter.
These are to hear these things is so freaky.
Now, maybe you guys have been doing it for a long time and it doesn't quite freak you out the same way.
I've been receiving some emails from people who say, look, I took a digital recorder out, and I've got EVP, and I've got really high-quality EVP, so don't even bother asking that question tonight.
So I won't.
I'm getting emails from people who say that the digital recorders, the mini CDs, those kinds of things, they're all recording EVPs out there.
We've got recordings coming up that, again, whether you consider them to be ghosts, the dearly departed or not so dearly departed, you know, we were glad to see him go.
Whether you think it's that or whether you think it's some sort of evil entity, either way, it's pretty freaky stuff.
So prepare yourself, tie down, buckle in, and after the break, we enter the world of E.B.P.
This was recorded in a cemetery, and we had actually just bought a new infrared night scope this night, and we were testing it out in the cemetery so we'd have a nice wide open space.
Now, what percentage, would you say, of your EVPs are, in fact, obviously responsive to something you said or one of your members has said versus those EVPs that you have no connection for?
At this time, when Jenny recorded this voice, it was in the middle of winter.
It was probably below freezing.
And we were sitting in our chairs out in the middle of a cemetery, and I had gotten a blanket out of the car, and me and Jenny were sitting side by side, covered up with the blanket.
And You will hear Ginny ask me, Did you just pull down the blanket?
And I'll answer her, no.
You'll hear, it sounds like a child that says, I did.
I know I've asked before, but I just can't resist.
You know, you guys are holding doors open here.
I mean, I've fooled around with a million different things on my program, and what I've concluded, one of the things I've concluded, is that when you talk about the kinds of things we're talking about tonight, you open certain doors.
I don't think there's any question about it.
I mean, even the discussion, the fact that your mind is thinking about this kind of thing, opens a door for you.
And aren't you all worried that occasionally something's going to come through that you're not going to like?
By the way, Michael in Villa Park, Illinois is suggesting with regard to the mosquito that was in the air, he says, maybe it was the mosquito that said, end of my life when it flew into the person's ear.
Or do you think it's just some accident of dimensional difference that allows some sort of voice to be imprinted in an electronic way that really is just an accident, and otherwise we're not supposed to be exposed to what we're hearing here.
Yes, and we've had a lot of we've recorded a lot of children in that area, and there have been reports of children in that area of the grounds of that mausoleum and cemetery.
And there is that possibility that it's just a female voice that sounds like a little child, but there are some words that are pronounced that they just sound like children.
Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going to do because obviously I'm reading commercials live and I have no time to do anything else.
I just caught this email that came rolling in just during last break and I read the email, which I'll read to you here shortly.
First, I'm going to forward this to Keith Rowland, and we're going to get it up on the website right away.
I don't see any reason why we can't.
This is about something that happened in Montana.
And so let's send it to Keith right now.
This is a beauty of live radio.
You can do this kind of thing.
And there it goes, winging its way to Keith.
All right, Keith, when you get this regarding the situation in Montana, would you please post these photographs as well as the email?
I don't see any instructions saying we can't here.
He even gives us his email address.
Oh, my God.
We get the weirdest stuff.
Anyway, that's on the way to Keith right now.
So I'll read you the email here at the bottom of the hour.
Right now, we're going to return to the GIS, folks, and we're going to return to, well, whatever it is that we're hearing, quite apparently, from the other side.
And it was actually, we were contacted by a lady who had heard us on your show a few times.
And she was contacting us regarding her parents' house, which obviously was haunted.
She said that her children that would stay there had seen things, shadows, things like that, doors opening and weird noises.
I mean, it was literally your typical haunting.
We were just packing up our stuff and kind of getting everything ready to go when this voice comes in that either says have them come back or have Brendan come back.
Okay, the one word I can get out of that clearly is come back.
I do get that at the end, but I can't tell about the first part.
I bet you sit around the table arguing about this stuff, excuse me, discussing what it is you just heard all the time, especially when you get something like this.
How many of them are really hard calls as opposed to everybody sitting around the table and you play it, and everybody immediately agrees on what they just heard?
We had been invited to a friend's relative's home.
It had been in his family for generations, and it's in a little rural area down below Salt Lake City.
It's a beautiful old home.
The bricks were made out of the local dirt there.
I mean, it's a beautiful two-story old home.
And we were spending the night there at the house, and no one lives in it at this time.
And we had all gone out onto the, it has several porches around the house, and we had gone out on one of the porches, and he recorded this, and it sounds like the voice says, I tried to get up.
Yeah, I've got somebody asking my computer why you're only getting snatches and parts of sentences and not more complete soliloquies of some sort, some real big message.
You know, if I was going down the highway at about 60 or 70 miles an hour, a big 18-wheeler, and I had this show rolling right now, I don't know how I'd handle that.
In the dark, on the road, in the middle of the night.
In other words, you could get a recorder which would have a record head, and then it would track over to an active playhead so that you could say, are you out there?
And like about a second later, it would pass over the playhead, and you would perhaps get an immediate answer to your question instead of having to go for hours and hours and hours of reviewing tape to find these EVPs, which is what these two do, you would hear an instant response.
And so we thought that was a really good idea, and somebody went to work on that idea for you all, right?
A wonderful man named Christopher Helms, who's an electronics engineer, has heard us on the show a few times and had actually had one built by the time that we did your last show in April.
And finally, you know, we finally got in contact with him, and we actually have two real-time recorders now.
When you hear, it may be one thing to go home and sit down and intellectually play back a tape and catch something eerie and freaky as that is, but to hear it in the graveyard, on the spot, at the time, That's got to set you back a little.
Well, I'll tell you, the first really, really strong, clear EVP that we recorded with the real-time recorder was, and it's a voice that will be on the show tonight.
And the voice says, I feel so bad.
And it was referring, we assume, was referring to a lady that was here talking about her friend's mother that had passed away with cancer.
And when I had the headphones on, and when I heard that voice, it shocked me.
And I immediately turned to Barry, who was sitting right next to me, and I asked him, you know, did you just say anything?
And he, of course, was sitting kind of slumped back in his seat, not moving like he had just said anything.
I mean, his body language wasn't congruent with somebody who had just spoke.
You know, for two people who claim that you don't necessarily need to be in a graveyard to get good stuff, you spend an awful lot of time in graveyards.
I mean, obviously you're working with a real-time recorder now, so you've taken that step.
Where do you want it to go?
Where do you want this whole area of research, by the way, that goes back for the audience, not just to this program and to these two, but back in time, just about to the beginning of the invention of the telephone, it goes back that far.
A lot of people don't know that, that there's a lot of history in the kind of research you all are doing here.
All right, look, what I'm going to do is break here at the bottom of the hour, and when we come back, I'd like to allow the audience to ask you questions about all they've heard tonight, okay?
If you have questions about this, if you heard all this and you don't have questions, then you better check yourself for a pulse because you may be trying to reach us from the other side.
Otherwise, I expect you have questions.
Coming up next, I'm Mark Bell.
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the high desert, this is Coast.
Happy and I'm smiling, walking mild to drink your water.
All right, so reminding you of that horrific Little Montana story that I read you a little while ago, an hour ago or so.
It's finally going to get up on the website here in the next five or ten minutes, very, very shortly, and it'll be there for the remainder, well, through tomorrow night.
Well, through tomorrow.
And by the way, tomorrow will be a repeat.
I'll be off tomorrow.
Attending to the fireworks celebration here in Prump.
And I hope those of you close enough to come and bring sound trucks or whatever are able to do so or just make it out here to the desert where there's going to be the biggest bang in the whole state.
Oh, my, it's going to be something.
For the moment, we're going to go back now to the GIS folks and begin to open the lines and let you ask questions.
So are you two ready for questions from the great public?
My questions were, one, have they tried to utilize all the technology to isolate these voices?
For example, I mean, I'm a musician, and I'm aware of some technology which uses notch filtering to isolate particular frequencies so that you can get rid of any kind of background frequency and just isolate those frequencies that you want.
Yeah, well, I mean, there's a lot of technology out there, but the cheapest available is like, well, really, it may sound stupid, but there are karaoke machines, which you can put your tape in and erase the voice.
All right, well, based on what you've heard tonight, I mean, these are coming off clean tapes, brand new, never opened, just out of the box, and recorded.
Boom, there it is.
Skeptical as you may be, what do you think this is?
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Well, I think, I mean, just in my opinion, of course, I think that it's when you have, I mean, I've heard EVPs before with different programs, including your own.
And it's really hard to discount that information because you don't just, random sound, at least from my experience as a musician, even stuff that I've recorded, you don't, random sound doesn't generate itself in the patterns that I think they've been able to put on tape.
And it just, I mean, I believe the only reason I say I'm a skeptic is just because I haven't experienced it myself.
A lot of people assume this is, thank you, something unusual to my show and just some sort of catchy thing.
It's not.
EVP is a science of its own.
It's been around now for a long, long time.
But the point he made about higher tech equipment that, for example, forensic police labs use to pick voices out, you might approach somebody in one of those labs, like the FBI crime lab, like they're not too busy, huh?
Or something like that, and worm your way in and see if you can get some of that technology, because applied to what you're doing now could be incredible.
We're afraid in some of the places that we go, which are quite run down and abandoned, that there might be a transient or somebody that might attack us.
Now, what would really quench this for me is if you went to a foreign country like Spain or Holland and these voices started speaking Spanish, French, or Dutch.
Now, that's really interesting that you bring that up.
I was just sent an article today by a man named Joseph Bullman about a researcher in Italy that has been doing some wonderful AVP research.
And all of his voices are in Italian.
And as we've mentioned, we've been to cemeteries where there's quite a mixed population from people or people from other countries and have recorded German and Spanish and things like that.
And some are not sure what the language is, but we know it's not English.
Right.
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And one last point.
I wonder if it has to do with the researchers, like if they speak English, if the voices will manifest as English.
Or if maybe you send someone out who speaks Spanish or another language, if maybe they will hear somehow on the tape magically, I don't know, it'll appear in a different language.
Yeah, I was wondering, have they ever decided to go into a place where they had a famous battle or somewhere in American history and try to contact, well, that's what they contact, but.
If I were interested in recording some stuff and Well, I think the truth is with a lot of EVPs, even though they're hard to hear, you won't have to pull it out of anything.