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June 17, 2002 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Steven M. Greer M.D. - Cosmic Deception - Neal Sibley - Bell Witch
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Dr. Stephen Greer wrote Cosmic Deception, Let the Citizen Beware.
It came to me over the internet, and I snatched it up, put it up last week, and tonight, Dr. Greer is here to tell you all about it.
Assuming that, uh, safely, I think, that all of you don't have computers.
If you're wondering what he means by Citizen Beware, you're gonna know in a few minutes.
And then in the next hour, Neil Sibley on the Bell Witch.
Oh, what a story there is to tell there.
And some photographs.
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And then, of course, the Australian teleportation story.
Oh, my God, folks, guess what?
The Australians have teleported a laser beam.
Now, while it's a long way from teleporting a human being or even a solid object, It is incredible what they've done.
They've sent a laser beam, deconstructed it, and reconstructed it across the lab.
Now, they say they could do this over a great distance, and eventually one day, just like Star Trek, this may be the first, or is it the second step?
A big step toward that direction.
In a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer, he used to be He was an emergency room physician, chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital.
He is founder of the Director for the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, the Disclosure Project, and most recently, Space Energy Access Systems.
You've heard Dr. Greer here, I think, many times before.
I hope so.
If not, then you're going to have to listen very closely to what's coming up.
Dr. Greer has written Cosmic Deception, Let the Citizen Beware, And so, without taking any more time, we'll take care of Biz and come right back to Dr. Greer.
And if you didn't get a chance to read it, or you just want to know what he means, then don't touch that dial.
Well, I guess you'd call this, I don't know, like a white paper, maybe.
Dr. Greer, Cosmic Deception, Let the Citizen Beware, it's why called white paper.
What do you call it?
Yeah, it's a briefing paper and a white paper.
And of course, you know, we've been doing these for many years for people in the Pentagon and other places.
I felt this when I needed to put out right away to the public because of the The level of threat that I feel this kind of disinformation that's mentioned in the paper involves and I think it's very important for people to understand the degree to which there has been for many decades an attempt to manipulate the UFO information in a certain direction and that direction being decidedly sort of a military response to the UFO problem.
Well, if you're in the defense industry, if you're building bombs and missiles and stuff like that, then you probably, what is it, a billion dollars a day I think we spend on our defense, and a billion dollars would it be a day, and that's a whole lot of money.
President Eisenhower told us to beware military-industrial complex, and now We have enemies at the moment, but unless you have enemies, then you can't justify spending a billion dollars a day, can you?
Well, I think it's even more than that.
I think it's an entire question of a paradigm.
You know, what we have found is that, and the reason I wrote this paper, Cosmic Deception, is that, well, of course, we know that there are UFOs that exist.
We know that some of them are extraterrestrial.
However, we also know that there are a number of them that are made by humans.
And that they have been used in countermeasures or disinformation events that include the attempts to hoax extraterrestrial events that would appear frightening to people.
and i think one of the problems with this is that uh... there is a uh... trillion dollar a year
a global uh... military and industrial laboratory complex uh... that uh...
for many decades and and some of the classified information that that i have
seen have spoken of needing to create
eventually an enemy out in space to justify the continued expansion
of those resources but also to control the way people react to the phenomenon
so it's a centralized and and fear and control response to the problem
and i think this is a very very dangerous thing and it's come to my
attention that there'll be an increasing effort to put that kind of
information out into the Alright, but, you know, the bottom line of what you seem to be saying is you believe it's possible, and just a straight out question, do you believe it's possible the military or some cabal or group within the government or above the government, whatever the case might be, actually would stage an event to scare the hell out of us
And justify lots of money for space-type weapons and fighting aliens and that kind of thing.
Is that really the bottom line?
I think that's exactly what has been planned.
And in fact, this is something that... Let's go through a little bit of the reason why we're making this assessment.
I began interviewing people as early as 1992 that had information on this particular plan.
And, as recently as a year or two ago, we had Werner Von Braun's spokesperson, Dr. Carol Rosin, who was his spokesperson for Werner Von Braun for the last four years of his life, who said that he had specifically warned that there would be an attempt to do that after there was a period of the Cold War, that there would be a period of rogue states, and that would be followed by a global terrorism, a stage where we find ourselves today.
And, by the way, this testimony was acquired prior to 9-11.
And that the Trump card that would be played would be a threat from space, and that there would be an attempt to hoax and to frame a presence in outer space that would be a threat so that we could justify a multi-trillion dollar, eventually a multi-trillion dollar build-up that would be completely a ruse.
What would happen politically, do you think, Doctor?
In other words, not only would it mean lots of good military spending for us, but it would affect Yeah, this would be an excellent way of doing that.
to, I don't know, begin to get the world together under some sort of centralized, for some centralized
purpose. Wouldn't this fit that bill?
Yeah, this would be an excellent way of doing that. And in fact, you know that Ronald Reagan
several times in the 1980s stated to the United Nations and to the Council on Foreign Relations
that, and I'm paraphrasing here, but I have the videotape of this speech where he says,
you know, our job of creating a unity in the world would be easier if we had a common alien
threat to unite against. And I think that unfortunately there is this tendency, instead
of finding positive things to find unity over, perhaps some people have concluded it would
be easier to create this kind of camaraderie on an international basis through fear and
Unfortunately, this has worked in other scenarios, but in this one, this is the ultimate one, and I think it's a very, very dangerous path to go down.
I have to say that along the lines of this, there was a man that We had brought to Washington in 1997, along with about 15 other military and intelligence witnesses, to brief senior members of Congress and Pentagon and White House officials that we had gathered in a closed meeting.
This was April of 97.
And this particular man, who was an intelligence officer, was going to tell the group that he had set in on planning meetings Where there had been a very black, super-secret group that had been planning the use of these so-called alien reproduction vehicles that we talk about, these ARVs.
Um, that would be, of course, are made by humans that look very much like UFOs and use an anti-gravity propulsion system to engage in actions, including attacks on certain assets.
Make it look like we were under attack.
How credible?
This man was very credible, extremely credible, and his testimony has been corroborated to me by other people.
I have a man who is the Air Force Office of Special Investigations who knew of this plan.
I have a gentleman Uh, who has, uh, been read into, quote-unquote, uh, other technologies that can simulate these kinds of events.
Um, you know, and when I first heard it, you know, with this paper I wrote, you know, I opened it talking about, gee, what if somebody at this time last year came and gave you the scenario of what happened on 9-11?
Most people, even if you were, you know, a writer for a TV show or a novel, would have rejected it.
Too far out.
Too far out.
Yeah, yeah, just too far out.
This is crazy.
And when I first started hearing these things, I said, oh, come on.
Then I met a man, a very interesting gentleman, whose testimony has also been corroborated by others, who was, quote, read into, and that's the term used in the military, a very top secret technology that involved electronic warfare systems that could literally involve the control of people's awareness, their state of awareness.
and their experiences and that these have been used to induce what some people would call abductions
of things that look like an extraterrestrial experience but are hoax. This is not to say
that people haven't had actual extraterrestrial contact.
It's just to say that there's a whole lot of disinformation that's been put out there.
One insider told me back in 1994, after I met with President Clinton's first CIA director, that in fact this whole thing is hidden in plain sight, and that the activity that's been going on is, if you expose sort of this Wizard of Oz phenomenon, I call it, where there's Some people behind some curtains pulling a lot of levers, deceiving people, that no one would believe it, that the deception is a more implausible, though true, explanation than having people believe it's actually all extraterrestrial.
So there's an enormous amount of disinformation, and I liken it to taking, you know, you have a few gold nuggets of extraterrestrial events that have happened, and not a few, but a large number, but those have been hidden by covering them Laying on top of them, literally, tons and tons of fool's gold.
And unfortunately, not enough people have been doing assays of this thing.
And I think it's a big problem.
Here's a question for you, Doctor.
You know, and I certainly believe, that UFOs are really, on occasion, extraterrestrial craft visiting Earth.
So, to me, that means that our government, our military, at some level, they know they're here.
And they're either frightened of them because they don't know, or they wish to figure a way to defend against them because they assume, as our military would, they're probably hostile, or at least could be hostile.
That would be a military assumption, to be on the safe side.
Maybe they would stage this, actually, they could believe in our own best interest so that we would begin to develop the technology that we might truly need.
Well, you know, this is what I thought initially, but in actuality it's a little more complicated.
I think you're right that a lot of the people who are cogs in that machine I do think exactly as you described, but in reality, the people who are really the insiders know that there's no objective threat from outer space, but that it's an incredible opportunity in terms of propaganda that if it's used in the right way, that can greatly expand a sort of a centralized militaristic kind of control mechanism over many, many people.
For example, right now, There are projects that would like to eventually spend an enormous amount of funding on putting active warfare systems and weapon systems in place.
Most people feel that's a reasonable thing to do if you're shooting down someone else's ICBM.
Unfortunately, I've got folks who've worked on projects Where these systems have been designed primarily to look not down towards the earth but out into space and in fact have tracked and targeted extraterrestrial vehicles and the people who have been personally present at those sort of things have told me that they saw that there was no threat coming from that direction and that there is sort of an argent provocateur, a tendency towards to provoke
A situation and I think these are the kinds of games for gamesmanship.
I might call it brinksmanship That's very very dangerous and I think the world because it was so easy to motivate people through fear and hysteria and that kind of thing that the world is very vulnerable to this kind of manipulation and I know that the first head of the Defense Intelligence Agency that I briefed and You know, I brought this issue up, that there was a serious problem with senior military people who were not inside this sort of rogue and black operation being caught unawares, and certainly our political leaders, but even very senior military leaders could be caught unawares by
Alright.
What's been called a deception.
Let's imagine a deception for a second.
We had, of course, the Phoenix Lights sightings.
Yes, I was there when that happened.
There you are.
So, we had that.
But, you know, that came and it actually got to be a pretty big deal in the mainstream media and it went.
And it didn't change our policy in any way.
Now, how big of a deception... Describe for me how big a deception it would have to be To begin moving in the direction you believe they want to move.
Well, it would be very easy.
For example, we have not only a high-atmospheric holographic system, the holograms, that could deceive people, but we also have these alien reproduction vehicles that are capable of going to space and back and that do functions silently with anti-gravity systems that have been manufactured there at the North Base of Edwards for many years.
Lockheed and Northrop and others have worked on these.
And these could be used in a scenario where, for example, Certain national security assets within the traditional government were targeted, such as satellite systems or other assets, and it would look to everyone observing it like we were under attack by some very esoteric spacecraft from another world.
Now this kind of thing, I'm afraid when you've got a rogue group of people that are not being supervised by the appropriate authorities within the constitutional chain of command, I think quite frankly, this includes the U.S. President and
the current U.S. President as well as past presidents, that there is a serious threat
here that is real.
And I would not have believed this myself if I hadn't come across so many people who
had seen part of this.
And it's sort of a mosaic that you've got to put together.
You can go all the way back.
You mentioned this thing about the Australian laser system.
That's right.
I have a witness and it's in this book Disclosure that we put together.
He's someone name, rank and serial number who was in the Canadian Air Force and his name is Fred Trelfel and he in 1953, before I was born, Witness a solid
object teleported from one room to another with this advanced electronic device in Canada before I was born almost 50 years ago.
Now imagine what kinds of toys there are within these covert classified projects and the degree to which many people and even very well-placed black projects in the Pentagon elsewhere may not be aware of these other projects and how vulnerable that makes them to false assumptions about something that could happen.
I think already this has been going on.
I think there's an enormous amount of false information about extraterrestrials in the open literature, in the media, and in the UFO research community because many of the people I've dealt with in talking to people who've had experiences with abductions clearly remember and recall Military people and military helicopters present during their experience.
Although this is usually covered up and whitewashed in the UFO community, it's something that's been reported for over 20 years.
Well, a lot of people would say it's ridiculous to imagine the United States would either start something or stage something, but gee whiz, remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
Well, I called this back in the early papers I wrote on our website, DisclosureProject.org.
I've got a link to a paper called, When Disclosure Serves Secrecy.
And it goes into this whole concept of sort of a cosmic Gulf of Tonkin.
And it wouldn't be the U.S.
government or the U.S.
military as you and I think of it.
I want to be very clear.
99.9%.
This is a very, very clandestine rogue group that has been managing this issue.
Doctor, we're at the bottom of the hour, so hold on.
In other words, not the U.S.
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Why our government do something deceptive.
Our government?
That's just, it's too incredible to even think about.
Our government doing something deceptive.
My God, think about it.
Could it really be?
Once again, here is Dr. Stephen M. Greer from Seasteady, and I've got a couple of really important questions for Dr. Greer.
Dr. Greer, first of all, my question would be, and this is for everybody who's listening, I agree they exist, but, you know, I don't know that I'm comfortable, personally, that they are completely benign.
How can you be so sure?
Well, I mean, I think that one of the points I make, this is the same question that was asked of me at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in 1993, when my military guys and I went there to meet with the head of the foreign aerospace science and technology division of Wright-Patterson, which was the division that the Roswell remains had been sent to, and the colonel there at the time asked me, I brought this question up and I said, look, given the things that I know that you guys have done, the fact that you and I are still breathing the free air of Earth would indicate that they're not hostile.
That if they were, imagine this, your ability to travel through interstellar and quote, interdimensional space at multiples of the speed of light with enormous knowledge of the fabric of space and time.
and we have started going into space, we have nuclear weapons that can destroy entire worlds.
If they were hostile in the sense that we understand hostility, you and I wouldn't be
having this conversation tonight, Art. And I think that whether or not they are all in favor of the
things that we are doing at this point is another question.
I think probably not. And I think there are probably competing agendas. For example, we may want to
go out into space and do some things that others may not want us to do until we learn to do so
peacefully.
But Doctor, isn't it possible that their intent toward us could be something less than, you know, immediate mortality?
It could be genetic, it could be, there could be something else that we would not necessarily consider positive, short of quick death.
Well, this may be true, but I don't see any evidence for it.
And every time I interview someone who's really deep on the inside, who's had a lot of exposure to the subject, I just shake their head and they say, no, there's no evidence of these sorts of things, as much as we might like to fantasize about them.
Because we kind of enjoy that kind of conflict as a people and as a culture.
And I think we're rather addicted to these things, but I don't see any evidence for it.
Now, what I do see evidence for, and this speaks to this directly, I interviewed two years ago a man who was too afraid to come forward at the time.
And we're working right now with a very prominent public interest lawyer in Washington to put together affidavits for this kind of man and to secure their testimony.
And this man had been an Army Ranger.
And he had been in a special mission, a very super secret mission that was quite unrelated to everything else he had ever done in the military, where he went in on one of these special vehicles and literally abducted other military personnel to make them think that they had been abducted and abused by an extraterrestrial.
And when I first heard this, He thought this would have been shocking to me, and I said, well, no, because this was in the year 2000, and I said, I already have several people like you I've already interviewed who have seen that and more, and he says, well, he said to me, you know, there are a whole lot of people out there who have been selected very carefully to go through this kind of an abduction, and they think that there is a threat out in space, and we're doing it so that they will think that, and I said, yes, I've heard this from other people, for example,
Some of the people who were present and involved with the abduction at three in the morning or so out of New York City, Perez Sequeira, the Secretary General of the United Nations, made to look like an alien encounter when it was done completely by these para-governmental super-secret projects using some very advanced systems.
What I remind people of is that what you might have heard of on CNN is probably five to ten generations late.
from what exists within these super-secret projects.
Imagine, 1953, we were teleporting things.
Imagine, 1958, I personally interviewed the man who invented electronics so that people could remotely view distant places in space.
People who were working with very, very advanced electronic and electromagnetic systems, capable of doing all kinds of things that would just make your hair curl, that sound like something out of Star Trek, but unfortunately actually do exist.
And can be used, and in fact have been used, in these sort of deceptive undertakings.
Alright, well try this one on for size.
You mentioned CNN, well what about CNN, say ABC, CBS, all the networks in fact, reporting as the last story of the night something like this.
The Defense Department today announced they had seen the destruction of two of their defense satellites.
By what they regard as possible extraterrestrial life.
And then there'd be a little giggle.
So in other words, the Defense Department is saying, two little green men destroyed two of our satellites.
In other words, haven't they ruined their own deception?
It's going to have to be awfully big.
Uh, for anybody to do less than, uh, you know, give it the usual kicker story at the end with a little chuckle.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
I once thought this as well, but it actually is running on several paths.
Uh, pathways on a parallel basis, in other words, contemporaneously.
One of them is the one that you mentioned, which is all the tee-hee-hee, ridicule, little green men.
Yeah.
And, of course, I've been exposed to plenty of that, being in the position I'm in as the Disclosure Project.
On the other hand, there's this other thread that runs through this, which is very xenophobic,
things that are put out there that are hoaxed or exaggerated for the purpose of creating
and instilling fear in people, which seems to be more along the agenda of not the 1953
CIA document that talked about having Disney Studios make cartoons about UFOs to ridicule
them, but seems to be more along the lines of the 1960s report from Iron Mountain, New
York, where it was discussed that we would have to create a threat from outer space to
justify the continued growth and expansion of a trillion-dollar-plus military-industrial
laboratory and intelligence complex on this planet.
So I think that there are several things going on, and these are not necessarily mutually
exclusive strategies, actually.
I think they actually serve various purposes at various times.
No, on the other hand, if they were to announce that a military installation had been destroyed with saucer sightings, that there'd been some kind of beam from a saucer, and they'd have to have photographs, and there would be destruction, and there probably would be death, now that would mean that you would have to reach out and kill Well, I think they already have done this.
And in fact, I'm quite certain of the fact that there's an arm of this group that's extremely lethal.
I kind of half-jokingly call it murder incorporated that has, without any doubt in my mind at
all, engaged in extreme behavior that is up to and including the taking of life.
I don't believe that this is something that they would flinch at.
One of the things that I think the power that's derived here is the deception.
If people can get to the bottom of what's going on, and unfortunately it's not as neat
and tidy as people are told when they look at this subject superficially, there are extraterrestrial
events that take place, but there's also an enormous number of events that look extraterrestrial
that I'm quite convinced are of man-made origin and are done so for deceptive purposes.
Let me ask you a personal question.
Doctor, my program is now the second largest program in terms of the numbers of affiliates of any program in the country, right next to Rush.
Right.
Okay.
And, in fact, in terms of hours spent listening, my program is the number one program in America, hours spent listening.
A lot of people don't know.
Now, is it reasonable to ask you If they didn't want this discussed, particularly the kind of thing we're talking about right now, and these are people who would reach out and touch with murder if they had to, why do you think my program, after all, if they didn't want me here, I wouldn't be here, would I?
Well, I don't know that that's necessarily the case.
I think there are a lot of things here that are protective.
I mean, for example, long before we started talking about any of these things openly, publicly, we had meetings with folks at the Pentagon who, what I call the White Hats, which are 99%, I mean, the vast majority of people in our armed services and intelligence community are actually appalled at these kind of rogue operations.
And I think that we began to talk with them and there is a growing, not a diminishing, a growing amount of support In other words, there's an umbrella of protection that extends around some of this at this point that didn't exist five or ten years ago when, quite frankly, three people I know working on this issue with me were murdered.
And I think that it's a very serious issue to begin to entertain what has to be put in place.
I think we've got a lot of that in place, but I think where the world is vulnerable and where our leadership, both military and civilian leadership, are vulnerable is the contagion of hysteria that could attend certain events.
My sole purpose in discussing this at this point, as far out as it may seem, is because I've seen too much evidence.
I've talked to too many independent corroborating insiders who've seen parts of this quote plan, including this gentleman that we brought to Washington in 97, who had literally sat in on planning sessions where this deceptive plan had been in great detail discussed.
I think that It's very important that people understand that knowledge is very powerful, that the value of a surprise deception is reduced by being able to discuss it.
And I think that's why we're doing it.
And quite frankly, I think that's why we're being allowed to do it, because there are a lot of folks Remember, after I met with CIA Director Woolsey, two separate people told me that a third of the so-called MJ-12 group, or secret group, were supportive of what we were wanting to do.
And could it be that I serve, I serve, a useful purpose?
That's correct.
I think you serve a useful purpose.
And I think that there are growing numbers of people within these very secret programs Who did not even know what a lot of the agendas were that they were serving.
Because it's so compartmented.
And I think once they found out what it is, that there's a large and growing number of people who support what we're trying to do with getting the truth out about this.
Doctor, if these are relatively benign beings, then why are we shooting at their craft?
You know, I asked, back in the early 90s, I asked a Navy intelligence guy who had personally witnessed one of these events, and I asked him, why are we doing that?
He says, well, you know how dogs go around and pee on the corners of your property and mark their territory?
He says, it's just that simple.
It's that stupid and that arrogant and that simple.
And I said, oh, you've got to be kidding.
He says, no, I mean, you know, a lot of this, I mean, people get too grand in their thinking.
Imagine this.
We have, for example, witnesses who are on your show when you're back without, the gentleman George... Norrie.
Norrie hosted us.
Who corroborated these objects, hovering over ICBMs and taking 16 to 20 of them offline on a single evening.
We have other people who have testified that when we tried to do certain things out in space, that they have not allowed us to do it because they didn't want these kind of weapons out there.
Well, this might make some people very frustrated, and I'm sure humans.
And I think that there is a bit of a A test going on there that's not been supervised and looked at very thoroughly.
And see, here's one of the dangers is that these guys who are present at those events didn't feel that the extraterrestrials were hostile, but they were trying to send us a message about our hostility.
But you could see how that could be misinterpreted in these hermetically sealed compartments that are only looking at this issue through sort of military colored glasses or conflict colored glasses.
And this is why disclosure is so important.
It's such a dangerous thing.
For this kind of extreme secrecy.
You know, Roscoe Hillenketer, the first CIA director in 1960 or 61, wrote a letter after he left the position of CIA director stating that the secrecy surrounding UFOs was a threat to the national security.
He never said UFOs were a threat.
He said the secrecy surrounding the subject was a threat to the national security.
Fascinating.
And this is a man who stuck his neck way back there.
I mean, you know, I was a five-year-old kid when he said that.
So then if you read between those lines, what do you read?
The secrecy surrounding the UFO being kept secret.
That whole thing is a threat to national security.
Not the UFOs, but the secrecy is a threat.
Right.
So read between the lines.
What does he mean?
What he's saying is that the people such as President Eisenhower, who we now know through the testimony of Brigadier General Lupton, who's a Disclosure Project witness and others, were being kept in the dark.
That the people in the National Military Command Authority, the people who are in senior levels of the Pentagon that I have personally briefed, who have been appalled at what they have been denied access to.
I personally briefed one of the heads of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was told he didn't have a need to know after he located a compartment at MJ-12 Operation.
These things are a threat to the national security because of the element of deception that can take place, but also because they don't know what they're dealing with when they inadvertently come across these things.
And they are adequately briefed and often very dangerous actions are taken.
So the extreme secrecy surrounding this and the sort of Dream, compartmentalization, way beyond a normal black project.
But, Doctor, imagine... It is a danger to the national security.
But imagine our biggest national security people sitting around a table, maybe with some scientific advisors or whatever, and as you pointed out yourself, these would be beings who cross, you know, more light years than we could even imagine very quickly, who could probably dispose of entire worlds, and you're sitting there making a decision It is, but I think they know that they're essentially not hostile, and that this is the other point.
They would like to see situations evolve where they could justify a conflict and I think this is what is so dangerous. I mean
you have to know that there are enormous vested interests not only in terms of
finances and funding but in terms of worldview, paradigm, a sort of a way of
controlling the way things are through centralized fear-oriented military
Look at what 9-11 has accomplished.
to other more positive things. This is not in any way to slam the legitimate defense
need for the United States or other countries.
Oh no, fear is a great motivator. Look at what 9-11 has accomplished. My God, it's slammed
the economy. I can't even begin to detail all it's actually done other than bring down
the buildings and hit the Pentagon.
It stunned the entire nation.
Well, unfortunately, there are people who I think would be happy to see other scenarios unfold that would be very frightening to people in the long run.
I'm not saying this is going to happen next month, but it could.
And when I had someone call me, Who is attached to one of the wealthiest media people in the world and is that person's personal representative in the media and say that you know we're doing a hundred we're doing a hundred in the in the hundreds of millions of dollars thing to put out information that'll be very frightening to people on this subject of UFOs and extraterrestrials.
I set up and took notice when I then heard another person talking to me about a scenario that could be hoaxed along these lines it became very very Disconcerting to me, I think what I say, the reason I decided to write this paper, Cosmic Deception, is to remind people to stay calm, to look very skeptically at things that happen, and to be sure, and begin to look at who would benefit from scenarios that would be frightening.
Without naming the witnesses, Doctor, I am curious, it is interesting, how many sources have Conveyed this possibility to you separately, separate sources.
Well, I have a whole list of these that we're working.
It's around a dozen now.
Oh, really?
Yeah, of very serious people and people whose credentials check.
And like I said, when I first started hearing these things, because I felt like most people, gee, you know, people reported these experiences.
It looked like a duck.
It looked like a duck.
It waddled like a duck.
It had to be a duck.
It turned out that wasn't true, and between 1992 and now, in the last 10 years, I have just found too much evidence to support that there is something very fishy going on, and that there is an attempt to manipulate this subject in a direction that puts us on a war footing, for reasons that are obvious if you begin to analyze who would benefit.
Alright, we're about out of time.
Last question, what would you want people to do?
A couple of things.
First of all, just be aware.
They can, you know, on your site and on our website, DisclosureProject.org, they can read this assessment.
They can also read this other thing, the Wynn Secrecy, Disclosure Service Secrecy, which goes into greater detail on that.
I think the other thing is that people can help us identify more of these direct witnesses to this deception.
We are actively looking to put under an affidavit People who have knowledge of this scheme and who are willing to come forward, preferably identified, but if they are not identified, as long as we can have them vouched for, we'll work with them.
So people who can contact me at our website, DisclosureProject.org, and get us that information of those sorts of people, both victims of these events as well as people who had first-hand knowledge.
You got it, doctor.
We're out of time.
Thank you.
Great.
Good night.
And happy birthday.
Oh, thank you very much.
Good night.
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What's coming up is a sharp left turn from where we were.
Or is it?
That could be up for debate, I suppose.
Neil Sibley is here, and he knows, believe me, about the Bell Witch.
For it haunts him.
And we'll get into all of that.
It is indeed my birthday, as I mentioned in the first hour.
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But about 2 a.m., if you happen to be up, if you're a night person, you might make it to 75 meters and 3830, and there I will be talking on my birthday gift.
All right, stand by, because what's coming up is going to be somewhat What's a good word?
Chilling, I think, is a pretty good word.
Chilling.
Alright, Neil Sibley is from Tennessee, so you're going to hear a little southern accent.
He's a graduate of the University of Tennessee with a B.S.
and M.S.
in agricultural business.
He has worked for a Fortune 500 corporation in the sales department for over a decade now.
He left a rather secure career to pursue Script writing full-time.
He's written four complete screenplays, several more stories that he's developing, including a romantic comedy, which is in the works at the moment.
One of his finished screenplays, a dramatic comedy called Our Family Trouble, has led Neil to believe that he is under spiritual attack from demonic spirits.
The screenplay which is based on historical events from the early 1800s at the farm of John Bell, no relative as far as I know, where a witch, really a demonic spirit, was said to have kept the Bell House in turmoil.
Even Andrew Jackson came to investigate during the original haunting and left after his coach wheels stopped mysteriously dead.
Many visitors to the house have seen furniture crash about them, heard the witch shriek, sing, and curse.
Neil wanted to write a movie script that would convey a biblical theme, yet be commercially viable.
He says he asked God for such a project and vowed that he would take on the devil himself if he had to.
He says as a result of prayer, the story of the bell witch haunting was revealed to him under very unusual circumstances.
After reviewing the script, a preacher warned him that he was on Satan's number one enemy list.
A preacher warned him he's on Satan's number one enemy list.
Here is Neil Sibley.
Neil, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
Being Satan's number one enemy, that's a wonderful title.
I just wish it paid better.
Well, I forget the title.
Having a priest say that to you... Well, this is a Southern Baptist preacher.
Yeah, Southern Baptist preacher, whatever.
Any preacher telling you you're his number one enemy, Satan's, that one would cause you to lose some sleep at night.
Well, yes.
It did, huh?
This has been quite an experience.
I really didn't know what I was getting into.
I don't think I would have possibly not have volunteered for this if I'd known exactly, but I guess you need to be careful when you ask the Lord for something like this, and you'll take on the devil himself, because he may just give it to you.
You may get what you wish for, huh?
Right.
All right.
Give me a sort of a 101.
I don't know why, with a name like mine, I wouldn't know the history of the Bell Witch, but fill us all in a little bit on the history of the Bell Witch.
Okay, this event started, first began in 1818 on the frontier in Middle Tennessee and what occurred was there was a family that was a first generation pioneer family and they had been on this farm for about 10 to 15 years and they were considered to be a fine upstanding Christian family and sort of the pillars of the community.
But one day, while John Bell was on the back side of his farm, he saw a strange-looking animal that he could not identify, which was not all that unusual on the frontier.
You know, because you would encounter animals that you had not seen.
Of course.
And this animal looked like a dog, but evidently it was not a dog.
Well, he fired his flintlock rifle at the animal, and when he did, it simply disappeared into thin air.
Uh-huh.
So... Okay.
How old was Mr. Bell at that point?
He was roughly 65 to 70 years old.
So he was an older fellow?
An older fellow.
And it just disappeared, you know?
I've had, when we do Ghost Nights, I have had people describe dogs that weren't dogs, that disappeared and did other things as well.
That's not so unusual.
That's right.
I've read Actually, many accounts of that, of supposedly, the way the accounts I read, that the devil himself can take the form of a dog.
For whatever reason, I don't know.
Interesting.
That's why I have cats.
But it wasn't a good sign.
Not a good sign at all.
But still, not anything that would have drawn Andrew Jackson to come and visit.
What happened then was, at about the same time, the children began to see strange animals that they could not identify.
And then sometime afterwards, they began to hear, uh, scratching sounds on the windows and the door and knocking sounds.
Of course, when they would get it to investigate, there would be nobody there.
And very brief, uh, over a, you know, in a short time, these sounds had moved inside of the house.
And what you heard were basically like wings flapping, dogs growling, as if they were chained together and fighting.
Oh, brother.
Yeah.
It, it, it, it began to escalate and, Eventually, it got to the point where the children were being attacked.
Their hair would be pulled, their bear sheets would be pulled off of them during the night.
That sounds like what people call a poltergeist.
Right, right.
At this point, this would not be extremely weird based on documented accounts of such hauntings.
But what happened was it escalated.
Maybe that, hey, I wonder, Neil, I wonder if that's the way this kind of thing has to begin.
In other words, it doesn't come, a real haunting doesn't come full force immediately, but it builds.
And it begins with simpler things like one would regard, you know, a poltergeist or something, simple things, sounds and maybe images of non-earthly type animals, that kind of thing, and then it builds from there.
Maybe it can't all happen at once.
In this case, it's really in a class all by itself.
There is nothing that compares to this haunting.
It eventually developed, well, what happened before it actually spoke, the house would actually shake as if a clap of thunder went off in the house.
During the first year, John Bell did not want his wife or his... He had six or seven children living in the house at the time.
None of them to speak of this to the neighbors for fear that they would think that they were practicing witchcraft.
Yeah, I was about to ask you how much of a family he had.
So he had a big family.
A big family.
And, um... The main characters in this setting are, you have, of course, John Bell, his wife, Lucy Bell, and then you have the older son, John Bell Jr., then you have Betsy Bell, And then you have three little brothers.
Now they had some older children, but they had already moved out, married and moved out of the house.
But still, that's a lot of witnesses.
Right, right.
Or victims.
This goes on.
This is just getting started.
This goes on for four years.
Four years?
Yes, four years.
And very shortly after the first year, it began, well at that point, John Bell began to come down with some type of physical disorder.
He had difficulty swallowing, and he had difficulty chewing.
It was a nervous disorder.
Of course, you can imagine one's nerves would start to wear thin.
You'd be an absolute wreck if this was escalating, and when it began to attack your children... Yeah, that would certainly make things intimidating.
Of course, they could not You know, you couldn't just move away from it.
Well, that's exactly where I was going.
Well, what I was going to say, I'm getting ahead of myself here, but when this entity, what they did was they asked a preacher to visit the home and to pray for them, because they knew that after the first year this thing wasn't going away on its own.
So what happened?
Well, he and his wife stayed the night, and he prayed, read a chapter from the Bible, After that, they went to bed, and then this thing just started literally raising hell, basically.
And, it was worse than ever that night.
And it began, they could hear like, uh, like, it's lips, you know, like it was trying to talk.
Oh.
Like air, you know, lips smacking.
Really?
And then it, and then it would just laugh.
Okay, so it started, you know, laughing.
Of course, this is, you know, really starting to get serious.
Yeah.
And after a few nights, Uh, it actually developed a voice, and the first, the first actual thing that it spoke, that you could actually understand what it was saying, it regurgitated the preacher's prayer in his voice.
So accurate that you could not tell it was not the preacher.
Oh, my God.
Uh, you see, you see, I don't know about John Bell, and he may have been locked into the farm and couldn't leave, or, you know, for... Well, the reason he didn't leave was when it started talking, it told him it was going to stay until it killed John Bell, and then it said, You're not going to run.
I can follow you all the way to hell.
So don't even think about running.
Oh.
So forget that.
It's not an option.
Oh.
So by this time it was conversing in a voice that could be understood.
It was heard.
Right.
I presume it was heard by John Bell and his wife and his children?
Everybody was in the house.
Everybody in the house.
It was very easy to understand.
When it began talking, it made it very clear that it was going to stay until it killed John Bell.
It would never say why, but it said the mother, Lucy Bell, was the best woman that ever lived, and it loved her.
Absolutely loved her.
Praised her.
Would sing songs in the voice of an angel.
This is really, I mean, let me just warn you, this is going to get weird before the night's over.
There's two kinds of weird.
There's weird, and then there's crazy weird.
Yeah.
Regular weird is where you tell your story and people say that's weird.
Crazy weird is where they say you're crazy.
So, I don't want to get too weird too fast, but it is going to get pretty strange.
That's quite alright.
You pace yourself, Neil, the way you want.
Look, obviously at some point, to get Andrew Jackson down there, at some point this hit the press, even back then in the 1800s, huh?
Right, right.
As soon as the community got involved, Uh, the word went out.
Andrew Jackson did not live that far away.
He was 30 or 40 miles away, and Andrew Jackson knew the family because John Bell Jr.
had served as his aide in the Battle of New Orleans.
Okay.
So, they were, uh, you know, he was, uh, General Jackson was friends with the family.
So, he did eventually, uh, come to the farm, and he stayed one night.
Now, it did treat him with respect.
But it attacked several of the men that came with him, and so, you know, they didn't... All of that's historically recorded?
Yes, this is all historically recorded.
I would think that you would know all about this.
I know, I know.
You really don't know this?
No, I've heard... Somehow I just feel that you're going to trace your roots back to this farm.
I just... You know, I said no relation, but I have no way of knowing that, of course, for sure.
And frankly, I hope there is no relation based on what happened to you.
I hope there's no relation.
So this became... It became nationwide known.
It was national news.
Yes, national news.
They had an open house policy.
Anybody could come that wanted to come and they would, you know, not charge them to stay at the house and try to figure out what this was.
And of course, at the same time, it took pressure off of them.
Now when this thing started talking, And it would physically attack people.
I mean, it would attack Betsy Bell, and it would hit her so hard, slap her face, that you could see the marks.
She was only 12 years old.
You could see the marks on her face.
And to drag her across the floor by her hair.
So it was hideous to some, but yet to others, it was nice, and it tendered to you.
You know, this doesn't make any sense.
It's obviously, you know, I'm looking at this from a biblical perspective, it's obviously a demonic spirit.
But yet it's favorite topic is the Bible.
Well, wait.
You say obviously a demonic spirit.
How do you know that?
You say it's favorite topic is the Bible.
How do you know it's a demonic spirit?
I mean, what do you base that on?
We're going to get there before the night's over.
We're also going to reveal for the first time why this thing was allowed by God to do what it did.
That's what it claimed.
It claimed that it was allowed.
It told John Bell Jr.
After it did eventually, four years later, kill his father, that it was allowed by God to do what it did, and it could not tell.
There was a reason for it.
Future generations would benefit.
Okay, so then that would account for why it could not be exorcised?
A priest or priestess would come and try exorcisms?
Well, that's a good point.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Yeah, yeah, let me explain this.
According to the Bible, Anybody that's, you know, right with the Lord, essentially, could exercise a demonic entity.
You simply call on the Lord.
Yes.
Okay?
Yes.
Alright.
So, but, it's supposed to flee at the mention of Jesus Christ, okay?
Well, this thing said, right off the bat, it told him, nobody can remove me from where I choose to go but Jesus Christ himself.
You're wasting your time.
And it would just laugh at him.
So what it's saying is, and this is the way it really takes a weird turn, I'm here by the authority of Jesus Christ.
Now, how does this make sense?
Well, it doesn't.
It doesn't make sense.
I mean, why do little children's lives get taken at two weeks, you know, by some kidnapper or parent who doesn't really want a child and they're tossed in trash cans?
Why do those things happen?
We ask that kind of question about God all the time, so... Right, right, right.
Well, this... I can't answer that question.
But I can, I can, I will be able to answer before the night's over why this thing was allowed by God.
The pieces of this puzzle fit together and you're sort of the last link.
You're the one, you know, to be able to reveal this to the nation.
Oh, great.
Put that on me.
A guy named Bell.
Yeah.
I wonder if I should be concerned.
And you know, all the years that I've been doing this program, I've had references to the Bell Witch.
People have mentioned it many times.
But for some reason, I've never chosen to research what the Bell Witch really was all about.
And I wonder why it's called Bell Witch.
Well, this is why.
When it first appeared, or made its presence known, The slaves on the farm, the servants, they labeled this a witch.
Now, I think that terminology is comparable to a demon.
Well, that was the terminology of the day.
You said they were afraid of being called witches, right?
Yeah, well, these were the slaves, though.
No, no, no, but I mean the Bell family.
Yeah, they were afraid that the community would think they were practicing witchcraft.
That was their excuse.
Now, we're going to find out later.
Hold on, Neil.
Hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll be right back.
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You know, some of you may be aware, others not, that my wife Ramona has been unknown to perhaps dabble in the craft a bit, and that would make her the Bell Witch, right?
This is a pretty sensitive topic for both of us in a lot of ways.
Well, this is really puzzling to me.
Really, really puzzling.
It says here, the Bell Witch eventually killed John Bell in December of 1821.
It refused to say why.
Remember, this thing could talk.
Saying only that God allowed it to do so to benefit future generations.
Now, that's about one of the craziest things I've ever heard.
God would send An entity to Earth to kill someone to benefit future generations.
How did... This did not go over well with the Bell family either.
I'm sure it didn't.
How did John Bell die?
Do you know?
Well, it eventually just wore him down, of course, psychologically and physically attacking him.
And his physical disorder, I mentioned that he had like a nervous tic and he couldn't swallow and eat.
But it took credit eventually as it became bedridden.
And by the way, after it became bedridden, uh, and they were, the family members were trying and the doctor would try to, you know, uh, administer medicines or whatever to him.
It would simply hovering over him saying, it's no use.
I'm going to kill him.
So it eventually took credit for poisoning, poisoning him while the family members were out.
Yeah.
And it was, they did discover a strange bottle of poison, of medicine that was not, you know, they did not recognize it.
And when they, uh, they, Took a cat and, you know, took a straw and gave the cat a small dose of it, and within, they said, about an hour or so, the cat died.
So it was poison?
It was poison.
Now, where it came from, you know, the witch took credit for it, or the demon.
People have to remember 1821.
That was a different world.
Don't relate what you're hearing to today's world.
1821, folks.
You know, Enter Jackson time.
Very, very different world.
No forensic labs.
None of that baloney.
No, no.
And so you give it to a cat, the cat dies.
Poisoned.
Yeah, I understand.
All right, so it killed him, which would mean to me, based on what it's... First of all, let's talk a little bit about what it said.
Do we understand, do you understand at all, Neil, why God would send something like this to kill somebody?
Well, we're going to eventually reveal that, but I kind of have to need to Kind of go through the story before all these pieces begin to fit.
Do it your way.
You can imagine, uh, this has been a mystery since 1821.
So, it wasn't until just recently that a piece of information was discovered.
A manuscript.
It had been sealed since 1841.
Uh, that allowed us to put the pieces together.
Alright, alright.
So, anyway, after it kills Mr. Bell, Then, uh, you would think its job is done, right?
Well, now, the family was afraid that it would turn its wrath completely on the daughter.
But it began to... Actually, it started sort of cutting her some slack as John Bell became bedridden.
And then it began to be nice to her.
It began to reassure her that it would not harm her.
Really?
Now, the older son, John Bell Jr., was highly intelligent, and he Absolutely was unafraid of this, and he called it a demon from hell, and that he even essentially said to its face, but obviously it didn't appear, that it was so evil that its fellow demons couldn't get along with it.
I mean, he took nothing from it, but it always professed to like him, even though they would get in sharp verbal debates.
And even once, it even said, I don't know why I don't strike you.
But he was not afraid of it, you know, whereas the mother always tendered to it.
She would thank it after it would do something nice.
Really?
So the family members were reacting to it in a very different way, weren't they?
Right, right.
The mother felt that you weren't going to do anything about it, so you might as well just go along, you know, maybe if you'd be nice to it, it would, you know... Be nice back.
Right.
Betsy, Betsy Bell, she was the daughter?
She was the daughter.
She was the daughter.
And she was about 12 years old when this thing first occurred.
But it began to be nice to her, but Betsy would not respond to it.
I mean, once she had been attacked by this thing, you didn't want to talk to it.
And what's interesting about this thing, though, is during, and it's really, it's going to get weirder and weirder.
That's fine.
It had a sense of humor.
It loved to pull pranks.
It loved jokes.
But yet it loved to preach from the Bible.
That was his favorite subject.
It could quote the Bible faster than he could turn the pages.
And it would preach the message with total accuracy.
Now, supposedly a demon is supposed to mix truth with lies to take you away from the Lord.
This thing didn't do that.
So this has got everybody really puzzled.
It was preaching, it was reading the Bible as though it preached, right?
With total accuracy.
And it was praising the Lord.
And acknowledging Jesus Christ.
Now, this thing ain't supposed to do that.
That's right.
This is not feeding into the Bible the way it's supposed to fit.
I tell you, I have interviewed people like the late Father Malachi Martin and other exorcists, and this story does not fit into any of those molds at all.
Now, interesting though, John Bell Jr., he felt that this was similar, though, in the book of Job, in the Old Testament, where God did allow Satan to attack.
Don't ask me why.
I'm not a Bible scholar.
And, but he allowed Satan himself to attack his servant Job, but Job, but he could not kill him.
And Job, under this, you know, tremendous persecution, remained faithful to the Lord.
Now, but anyhow, the only thing that they could parallel this to, and make sense out of, was some reason.
God was allowing this to happen to this good man.
And to Betsy, and you say in here that it was being nice to Betsy, and yet there came a time when it would not allow Betsy Bell to marry her boyfriend?
That's correct.
That was its second agenda.
It would not allow, and it would never say why.
Now this just did not make sense to me at all when I'm studying this.
It demanded that she not marry, and this was a fine person, well-respected, and he lived a good life and would have been a good husband.
But for some reason at the time, it demanded, and it made it very clear that they would never have a happy life and it would see to it.
So what could she do?
But we nigg on her promise to marry this boy.
Oh my God.
I mean, was this thing...
Talking to this family?
Every day.
Collectively, every day?
Every day.
It got to the point where it wasn't just at night, it was during the daytime.
Guests from all over the country would come and stay.
You even had scientists from England come.
I had heard that, yes, that it was investigated.
Now, it hated people that came... If you came to the... You had certain people that came and said they could exercise it, but yet through sort of occult ways.
And it would sort of let them get set up and get going, and then it would just raise hail.
Certain people, though, it liked.
Generally, if you were a Christian in good standing, now there's a big difference.
You were treated kindly.
For example, the preacher that first gave the prayer, it always referred to him as Old Sugar Mouth.
But it said he was the best man in the whole county.
Old Sugar Mouth.
But you know, it had a sense of humor, and it was good.
That doesn't make sense.
You know, it just doesn't... Well, it will before the night, so... Okay.
Again, it said its mission was to kill John Bell.
Right.
Well, it did it.
Right?
It killed John Bell.
And after that, it killed him in December of 1820, and it left a few months afterwards.
But it vowed it would return in seven years.
It said it would come back.
Yeah, I think I would sell farm at that time, but... Well, now that makes me begin to think that this has something to do with the Bell lineage.
Why would it... Why would it... If it was on a mission from God, why would it... Now, wait a minute.
Let me say this much.
It was, from a biblical perspective, this thing was simply the way I would explain this.
It was a demon.
It even acknowledged that it was doomed for eternity to live in misery.
It had no chance of happiness.
Everybody would ask themselves, why God would deal with a demon?
But you know, there are people in this country that believe that the U.S.
government dealt with the mafia to get Castro.
I'm not kidding.
So, dealing with the devil.
The way I would explain this is, Of course, we don't know that it's telling the truth at this point.
It liked to tell lies and then laugh about how foolish people were to believe them.
But yet, to John Bell Jr.
and to Lucy Bell, the mother, it always professed to tell the truth.
And by the way, it had four different voices.
Three of them were female, and one of them was like a boy before his voice changes.
Now, that's the one it used when it most wanted to be believed.
Now, one of the voices they called Black Dog.
When Black Dog showed up, somebody was going to get their butt kicked.
Physically?
Physically.
Now, if they, if you were drinking, and if you got drunk, and they would have, like at Harvest Time, they would have, where everybody got together, all the workers and slaves and all the family members, and they would have a big festival.
Sure.
And of course, they'd pass, back then, everybody in Tennessee, you had a steal on the land.
And they'd pass around the jug, And this thing would always show up when you got drunk, and it would show up drunk.
And all four voices would start talking at once, as if they were arguing among each other.
Oh, that's it.
Talk about a wild party.
And this is all pretty well documented?
The documentation on it is what first just absolutely blew me away.
Now, I had never heard of this.
In what ways, Neil?
I mean, were there extensive newspaper articles?
Was a lot of the documentation local?
Obviously, it was a national story.
Well, it was a national story, but evidently over the years, for some reason, it is little known outside, until recently, outside of the region in Middle Tennessee where this haunting occurred.
Now, I had never heard of this before I got involved in this.
And it simply was by chance.
Well, it literally came to me.
The story did.
I'm kind of avoiding your question here, but I'm going to come back to your question you asked.
I came home one day, and there was a book on my desk.
A history book on Southern history.
And for the first time, I read the story of the Bale Witch Haunting.
It's in Southern history books?
Yeah, it was in a Southern history book.
I don't remember the title of the book.
But what's really strange is I had gone to Natchez, Mississippi to meet with my partner.
And I told him about this weird feeling I had for this movie.
About, uh, you know, I'm a comedy writer.
This is really weird that I would be doing something like this.
Yeah, it's really, uh, not at all in your genre.
No, this is not my ball of wax.
I've only seen two scary movies in my life.
The Wizard of Oz and The Exorcist.
Oh, Wizard of Oz.
I was five years old.
It scared the devil out of me.
Well, I mean, well, alright.
You know, they killed the witch, but they didn't kill the flying monkeys.
They left the flying monkeys out there.
That's right.
So, uh, the paranormal in general is not your thing?
By the way, where are you?
I'm in Mississippi.
So, I went to Natchez, Mississippi to visit my partner.
I had this feeling for this story.
It just sort of overpowered me.
It's like I knew this was my next story.
And so- By the way, where are you?
I'm in Mississippi.
You're in Mississippi, all right.
Yes, I'm in Mississippi.
So I went to Natchez, Mississippi, to visit my partner.
I told him, you know, my basic outline.
I come back home, here's this history book, and for the first time I read the story of the Bail Witch.
Thank you.
Well, at that point, I look on the map, I'd never heard, I mean, I couldn't believe I'm from Tennessee, I'd never heard of this thing, but I knew right away this was my story, even though it scared the dickens out of me.
I looked on the map, Adams, Tennessee, I was born less than 10 or 15 miles from that farm.
Oh.
And as a little kid, I always knew someday I would write movie scripts.
Wouldn't there have been, living that close, an awful lot of... I was three years old.
I moved when I was three.
Good point.
So, but we did return quite often because we had friends there.
But I had never heard of the Bell Witch at Tennessee.
So, anyhow.
After I got involved in this, well let me, I guess I need to back up, really finish the story here, don't we?
What it did after it came back.
If you wouldn't mind.
Okay.
When this thing returned seven years later, it made a brief appearance at the Bell home.
At that time, only Mrs. Bell and two or three of the children were still living there.
Right.
John Bell Jr.
had moved out on the back side of the farm and built his own cabin.
He was about to be married, but he wasn't yet married.
Well, this thing spent three months with him.
Three months?
Three months.
Now he didn't tell his mother and his younger brothers and sisters because he didn't want them to worry about it.
Do we know what it was saying or doing?
Yes we do because that information was released in 1935 by John Bell Jr.' 's grandson.
It was not released until then.
Because the family wanted to distance themselves.
Yeah, well, I bet.
In what form did he... In 1935, Dr. Bell, I think he was a neurosurgeon in Nashville... Yes, sir.
...released his book, The Bell Witch of Tennessee, A Mysterious Spirit.
He released this, or published this book, and it was really the first full account.
Now, one of the younger sons, in about 1841 or 1842 or something, wrote a manuscript, Our Family Trouble.
And he was very young at the time, and he gave his account, but of course, he did not have a full account because... Yeah, that's a simple, straightforward name.
Somebody would give it, Our Family Trouble.
Right.
And of course, that's where I got the title for my screenplay.
So... Well, anyhow, when it came back with John Belgian, it stayed three months.
It just simply wanted to be civil.
Of course, he did not want to talk to it.
I mean, he hated this thing with a passion.
Seven years later, he still felt the same wrath toward this thing as he did the day he killed his father.
But it just wanted to talk, and it said that it had been in the West, the Dutch West Indies, for seven years.
That's incredible.
This thing just continues to exist.
It did whatever it did.
It killed John Bell, but still...
It demonstrated incredible power during the original haunting.
It would manifest fruits that they could eat.
Some of these fruits they had never seen before.
They were from the tropics.
I had people fast blasting me saying, ask you about these fruits that would just suddenly appear out of nowhere.
Right.
When Mrs. Bell would be having Bible studies at the house, and this thing would be singing along in the voice of an angel, it would manifest fruits for her.
It was doing this to sort of... And again, in front of many, many witnesses... The first time it did that, everybody freaked out.
I'm sure.
They went out of the house like a cubby of quail.
I don't know why, at that point, you would think that nothing would surprise them.
Now, probably one of the most interesting things it did, though, was it had total knowledge.
It could tell you everything in the past, future, and then present.
It also could read your mind.
And during the original four-year haunting, it would go to church, and it would tell on everybody.
There was nothing that went unnoticed.
It could be everywhere at once.
Oh, boy.
You know, that fits into everything that I think I understand about the nature of what we're talking about.
The crossing of time.
And space, the non-locality of everything really being in touch with everything, even though we may not be aware of it at the frequency at which we operate.
Scientists now are talking about this great non-locality where everything is connected to everything and everything is known.
There's all kinds of science beginning to develop around all of this.
Well, this thing certainly demonstrated that it had the power to do pretty much whatever it wanted to do.
Of course, when it was telling on everybody, it said that the preachers doing the most preaching about drinking are doing the most drinking.
And it was telling on everybody.
And if you beat your wife or your children, it would tell on you.
They said when this thing left, it was a model community.
So in one sense, it did seem to serve the community as far as it straightened everybody up.
As you can imagine.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, what would you do if your deepest and darkest secrets were... Revealed on Sunday morning to church.
Now that's...
You can imagine.
You're supposed to go into a little booth.
Oh, that'd be the Catholics, right?
Yes.
That's it.
Not have it told.
Oh, my God.
Now, probably the strangest and the most bizarre event, I think.
And, of course, it did just about everything.
But there was a visitor from England.
They never gave his name because he didn't want to be revealed.
But anyhow, he stayed for about three months.
And this thing really seemed to like him.
And it told him, it said, you have a Mother and brother in England give me a message and I will
deliver it in your voice, and I said I'll be back in a few minutes
So after a few minutes it comes back and it gives a message to him in his mother's voice
Basically said son. We don't know what you're doing over there, but we just had the most disturbing incident. Please
come home or quit come home And the man wrote them back from England it actually did
Communicate with us what so it could go around the world and in a short time and then keep back
I mean, this thing put on a show.
Uh, hold on, Neil.
We'll be right back.
What in God's name?
Or would that be incorrect?
Could do this or would do this?
We're talking about the Bell... Ghost.
Bell Witch, actually.
Maybe Ghost.
I don't know.
I'm Art Bell.
And I will be back.
Probably.
I can hear it coming in the air tonight.
Hold up.
I'm going to get it.
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I wonder where you are I wonder if you think about me
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Boy, this is one scary, cautionary tale indeed.
Neil Sibley is my guest.
We're talking about the Bell Witch.
Now, the Bell Witch is a very well-documented haunting.
I think you'd call it a haunting.
But maybe that's yet to be determined, because perhaps the scariest part of the story, the one affecting our guest, Mr. Sibley, lies yet ahead.
And the reason the Bell Witch did what it did, that information also lies directly ahead.
Once again, ladies and gentlemen, here is Neil Sibley.
Welcome back, Neil.
Yes.
Where were we?
Well, there's so many places to go.
You know, I guess we were at the end of the seven years.
Right.
When the Spirit returned, seven years later, and it spent three months with John Bell Jr., and it simply was very civil with him.
All it wanted to talk about was the Bible, things to come.
It told him of future events, like the Depression, World War I and II.
I told him when he would die.
It accurately forecast all of that?
Yes.
And that's all?
This wasn't revealed until 1935.
That's all right.
It told him of the Civil War and what's interesting is that it told him that the outcome of the war and that the slaves would be freed because the Creator had already made the decision.
It was a done deal.
Wow.
So in other words, you can't fight God.
You know, that brings back the one argument I can never get past and I can never reconcile is, you know, God's will and free will.
It just, it has never made sense to me.
Well, it's going to make a little bit more sense tonight.
Is it really?
Okay.
Well, let's rock then.
I would love to understand how God's will is, in any way, relates to that which he gave us, which is free will.
Either we have free will or we don't.
So anyway, continue.
Maybe all this will come together.
You've got a lot to pull together here, Parter.
Okay.
So, um, I've seen a lot.
So anyhow, it also, it covered a lot of ground, but it also, what I thought was interesting, is that it demonstrated that how a spirit, such as itself, which was created as a spirit, it was never a human, it was created by God as a spirit, and always the angels And then the fallen angels, which were demons, were all created by God as spirits.
That would imply, almost, that God gave the angels free will.
Yes, it would.
And a third of them went with Satan.
Rebel angels, I guess you could call them.
Yeah.
Now, it never just came right out and said that it was a demon, but yet it pretty much, in a roundabout way, acknowledged it.
Well, it didn't really acknowledge it when it said it was doomed to eternal You know, damnation, basically.
It said that?
Yes, pretty much.
So, this was not a happy spirit.
So anyhow, but it demonstrated, it said, as a spirit, I can tell you, I can make you believe I'm your father's ghost.
It even put on an act where it would make his father's footprints in the snow with his boots.
Well, it said that's what demons do, right?
They lie and deceive, right?
Now, it stated very clearly, according to this man, it said, the dead do not talk.
That a demon spirit could deceive you.
The dead do not talk.
The dead do not talk to the living.
And it said, God could change that if he wanted to, but I doubt he ever will, because it surely would cause a lot of confusion.
It would indeed.
On the other hand, there are many Many, many believe-me people, my friend, who believe that they have encountered their dead relatives.
I have people coming on this program who make recordings in graveyards, Neil, of the departed.
Now, obviously, from your point of view, and with what you've said... Well, from this... I'm just telling you what... Of course, this is in accordance to the Bible, also.
What it's basically doing is validating the Bible, and it's giving its own...
You know, testimony, basically.
So, the dead don't talk?
No, the dead don't talk.
It's a spirit.
It's a demon spirit that can deceive you, and it can tell you anything.
It knows.
It has total knowledge, as this thing has demonstrated.
Now, little by little, the pieces are going to start to come together.
So, anyhow, it basically tries to win him over.
And, of course, John Bell Jr.
absolutely wants nothing to do with this thing.
Only after three months, it finally invited his best friend to come over, and it told him essentially that it was going to depart, and that it would return in seven years, to which it had 100.
That was in 1935.
Right.
Now, it also mentioned that after it got back, if allowed by God, Yes.
It would do something that would help the whole country.
The entire country.
In other words, it would do something big.
Okay.
So did it?
Well, that's interesting.
In 1935, the Bell family still owned it.
Your folks still own the farm.
Stop.
The Bell family.
That Bell family is still on the farm.
That Bell family.
Fine.
They still own the farm and Uh, they did not acknowledge anything.
However, uh, well-documented, unexplainable events have been occurring in that area ever since.
And they were easier to document after the family sold the farm.
I believe they sold the farm in about the 1950s.
The Bell family did.
So they kept it very quiet.
Right, they kept it quiet.
But people would see, you would, uh, strange phenomena ever since that time has gone on.
The way I'm interpreting this is, this thing, when it came back, was sort of, it came back sort of covert, but at some point in time, it's going to become overt again and, you know, raise hell, essentially.
Now, that's the way I interpret this, because, uh, if you, of course, you have my photo that I took when I, and that's not odd at all.
All right, now, you began to, you wrote a screenplay, right, called, uh, called Our Family Trouble.
That's correct.
Alright, I'm now going to direct everybody's attention to my website, and under program and tonight's guest info, that's what you click on, you will see first Steven Greer's name, then Neil Sibley, and he has graciously, he wasn't sure he wanted to do it, but he brought a photograph, he sent me a photograph in a frame, in a glass frame.
By the way, the glass was Shattered when it arrived here.
But the photograph made it through.
And we're going to tell you about this photograph.
Now, I've got it on the website right now.
So under his name, you'll see a little link.
If you click on that, you're going to see the photograph we're about to talk about.
Just click on Our Family Trouble.
And this, please now, tell us, I mean, here you are working on screenplay.
Tell me about this photograph, please.
Okay.
Now, let me clarify something first.
My screenplay is a fictitious version of it coming back today.
However, it did vow to come back.
In other words, it's really not.
The premise is actually true.
Your premise is that it comes back in your screenplay.
Fine, okay.
And I've got somebody like you that's behind the farm that's going to move out and build walls, okay?
I had to tell you that because I finished the script and then I went to the farm to take a photograph after I had finished the script.
And this scene that you're seeing was already in the script, which I took from the original haunting.
When this thing manifested itself, you had all this other strange phenomena going on also, but yet it was, you know, to some extent irrelevant, you know, once this thing started talking.
What they called were the flitting lights, and they said these were commonly seen during the haunting.
So, in my script, I used that Well, there's a scene in the movie where this thing, uh, they look outside the window and they see this thing like a juggler, like these balls of light coming across the field.
Uh huh.
And they do a dance on John, or like a juggler, you know, I would use three balls to do a, uh, a little dance or act on John Bell's grave.
Uh huh.
So anyhow, I go to the farm and I know basically where the farm is because it's, well, it's marked, but then the, The border of the farm, the back border, was the Red River, which is basically a big creek.
So I had a pretty good indication where everything was.
Well, when I got to the farm, I was going to take a photograph, and it was going to be of an empty field, because I knew that they had torn down the original house.
My script does call for the original house to be there.
That was the only thing I fudged up.
Well, you had to, OK.
You're right.
So anyhow, I get to the field, and I get ready to take the photograph, and it's just an empty field.
And a little voice just said, don't do this.
This doesn't feel right.
And I had to take a photograph.
Just over the hill of the Red River, because there's a scene to be shot there.
And when I just walked over the hill, basically, here is the adjoining farm.
And there's a house.
It's exactly the way I described in the script.
It's abandoned.
It's the exact distance from the road.
And this is actually, I mean, this is picture perfect.
And it's close enough.
We're only at Stone's Throat where the original was.
So for a photograph to send to Hollywood, you know, this is it.
Sure.
So I take the photograph.
And the miracle is that it's centered.
I've never taken a photograph in my life that it's centered.
You're not a great photographer.
No, no, no.
So I get it developed, and I say, man, this is great.
It's centered.
And there's nothing on the photograph.
It's just normal looking, you know, steady there.
You mean these lights weren't there?
No, no, no.
The lights are not on the photograph.
So I give the negative back, and then You know, I have multiple copies made, because I'm also sending them out to Hollywood with my, you know, synopsis or whatever.
And this thing shows up on the second-generation photographs.
It's on all of them.
Really?
Yeah.
And it's exactly... Okay, for those of you who cannot see it, it's a picture of a very green field, as you might imagine to find in Tennessee, and a big field, and then a farmhouse, and then there are these You would not call these orbs.
You know, people talk about orbs a lot these days and get a lot of photographs of these things.
These are not orbs.
These are... Actually, you know something, Neil?
This is closer to the kinds of lights that have been associated with the forming of crop circles, believe it or not.
These, as I've heard them described, that's what they look like to me.
Well, these are reported now quite common today.
In this area, in other words, truckers at night, according to a newspaper article that was recently written, where they interviewed the people that are on the farm, are seeing these strange lights coming across the field.
Oh?
And I'm going to read you what one of the sons of John Bell wrote in his 1846 manuscript.
Go for it.
This is a quote.
During the time, it was not uncommon to see lights like a candle or lamp flitting across the yard and through the field.
Now they would describe them also about the size of a Oh yeah, like a honeydew melon or something.
People today describe them as the size of a basketball.
Uh-huh.
And you're saying that modern... Mine were not on the photograph.
That's what's interesting.
And even today you're saying truckers are... There's a highway near here?
Where that is a highway?
Well, yeah, there's a small highway and it's a small two-lane road, but truckers at night see these lights.
See these strange, red-colored-footing lights.
And also it's very common for this weird stuff to show up on photographs, particularly if you're in the Bellwich Cave.
A bellwitch cave?
Right.
What's that?
On the backside of the farm, there's a, you know, the river.
Right above the river, there's a cave.
It's sort of a bluff area, and then there's a cave inside.
They always refer to it as the bellwitch cave.
The family would fish there, and they would also store, you know, the cave was cool.
They would store goods inside the cave to keep, you know, sort of refrigeration.
Serve as a refrigerator, basically.
But they would hear its voice.
Come from the cave a lot are in the area and it just over the years became known as the Pelwich Cave.
But the people that own the farm say that just, I mean, incredible things happen in that cave.
And it's very common now to take photographs and the demons show up in front of the cave or in the cave in some fashion or form.
So this, these things appearing on my photograph, I really kind of expected it.
Really?
And of course, we haven't got to the things that I encountered.
I encountered enough myself to know this thing is real.
Forget the history books.
What I encountered.
It really, really is going to start getting weird here.
Alright, that's fine.
We are the home of weird.
You know, I'll tell you something though, Neil, and I believe this is true.
Of Ouija boards, which I do not discuss, of other artifacts of the paranormal, even discussion of the paranormal, and the kind of things we're talking about right now, and therefore, in the listening audience, the consideration of these things, and I don't want to scare the hell out of my listeners, but I believe the consideration of these things, the mental processes that you go through as you're listening to the kind of story you're telling us right now, or even being in the area and being involved directly in some way in this story, as in writing a screenplay,
What it does, Neal, is it opens doors, like Ouija boards, like other things.
I'm going to close that door for you.
Yeah?
If you're right with the Lord, you don't have anything to worry about.
I'll be able to... Well, Neal, I'm concerned.
You understand?
I've been concerned about myself.
I don't want to sound too self-righteous.
The Lord may turn this thing loose on me.
I've had enough of it.
I don't want to deal with it anymore.
But it's all going to make biblical sense.
Oh, I'm just, I'm trying to, uh, I'm... Just don't fool me.
I know what you're saying.
You do not want to toy with this thing.
If you do, and I've had this happen time and time again to people that I've come in contact with, and it seems to be very common.
You don't have to be on that farming to, you know, like you said, get this thing stirred up.
I think all you have to do is invite it.
That's right.
That's right.
If you invite it.
That's right.
And I, in fact, I had a friend who did this uh sort of inadvertently he was a fellow that I told him the story he was really intrigued intrigued by it because he was he was just you know getting in the bible and becoming a christian or whatever and he thought this was a good thing that he needed to talk to now this sounds ridiculous but he actually did this he wanted to talk to it well he came back and he didn't tell me this until after it happened he said it showed up and he said it was like
And this time I was telling the truth.
He said, something suddenly just knocked me on the floor.
And he said, I was paralyzed.
And he said, it was like a big black dog sitting on top of me.
He said, I could see my wife in the kitchen.
I was trying to scream.
Nothing would come out.
But then he said, when I finally got my wits about, he said, I called on Jesus Christ to remove it.
And he said, it was gone just like that.
But that's not like the Bell Witch.
We're going to slowly get there.
Alright.
I can't believe this is in your family history and you don't know this story.
Stop that, Neil.
I'm serious.
It's bad enough as it is, talking about the bellwitch on my birthday.
Bad enough.
Was that not a coincidence?
Just don't take me there.
The fact of the matter is, this thing Has come after you now, hasn't it?
Well, I had, uh, shall we say, some disturbing experiences.
All right.
Hold it.
Hold it right.
Disturbing experiences.
Hold it right there.
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I'm here waiting on the ground.
Lady Bird, I'll treat you good.
Lady Bird, I'll treat you good, ah Lady Bird, I wish you would, you
Lady Bird, pretty Lady Bird It's my private pleasure
Midnight fantasy Someone to share my wildest dreams with me
Imaginary lover Don't mind, anytime
Imaginary lover Oh yeah
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Imagination's unreal, imaginary lovers, Imaginary lovers, can go mad anytime you need.
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There's nothing at all imaginary about the Bell Witch which killed eventually John Bell in December of 1821.
And there's nothing imaginary about what's going on right now because I've got some cautionary news for you.
The Bell Witch.
The Bell Witch isn't gone.
My guest is Neil Sibley and we're discussing The Bell Witch.
Now, something happened when Neil began writing about The Bell Witch.
When he began to write screenplay about The Bell Witch, I believe he opened the door and things began to happen to him.
Neil, you want to pick it up there?
Yes, what happened, I'm going to backtrack here a little bit, but when this was first revealed to me, and again I'd never heard of it, and it was a history book which was essentially left on my desk, and I came in and after sort of getting a feel for this story, and when I read the history of the Bail Witch, I knew right away that was what I was looking for, but yet I was a little uncomfortable with it, as you can imagine.
But, I then, as I said, looked on the map and realized that I was born just a few miles from that farm, and of course I moved when I was three.
Now, I couldn't understand if this thing was true.
Why had I never heard of it?
So, I called a friend in North Mississippi, and this is significant because it's the first person I called.
And I knew he was a very well-read person.
I thought if anybody knew about this, he might know, but I didn't really think he would.
And when I called him, he said, my best friend was the world's leading authority back in the 70s on this.
And he used to go around the country giving lectures at universities.
And he said the fellow was brilliant.
He sort of disappeared off the radar screen and moved to Europe or something.
I wonder why.
So right off the bat, I'm given validation for this.
I make one phone call.
And boom.
You were somehow meant to be on this trail.
Right, exactly.
So then what?
So, then I go back to Tennessee to do my research.
So I go to a little bookstore, you know I have to start somewhere, ask the lady if she'd ever heard anything about this, and she said if it was a snake it'd bite you.
She said, turn around.
She said a new book, the first book since 1935 has come out, by a local author, had researched and put a lot of the relevant facts from the 1934 book, and then he added recent accounts from people that live in the area.
It was a really interesting little book, but anyhow, it was right there behind me on a display shelf, you know, like they're having a little In the bookstores or wherever, you know where they have multiple books.
There was on display right behind you.
And I literally just turned around and took it.
I didn't even have to take a step.
And then put it on the counter.
Uh-huh.
So, and then told me what I need to get.
I, you know, went across the street to the little branch library.
And I really, the lady thought, well, you won't, she told me that you'll have to go to the main library, go to Nashville, whatever, to get this.
What town were you in?
I was in Knoxville.
That's home in Knoxville, Tennessee.
All right.
So, go to the library.
So I go to the library, and this is where it starts getting weird.
And you go to Nashville to go to the library?
No, no, no, I didn't.
The lady told me I would probably have to go to Nashville.
Why?
Because this book is out of print.
The original 1934 book by Dr. Charles Bailey Bell is considered the Bible, and that's where this... Okay, so you, anyway, you found it there.
Yeah, yeah, I went across to the library, and what's strange is, I asked the little lady, she had this, you know, sweet little smile on her face, and I asked her if she'd ever heard of this book, and all of a sudden, it's like, I mean, this most pained look on her face, like, well, he's doomed.
She said, I know all about it.
She said, follow me.
So she takes me around to the back of this little library in a corner, a dark corner, reaches down under like this little hidden shelf somewhere, pulls this thing out and hands it to me and says, son, I don't know what you're doing with this, but you need to be really, really careful.
She said, I hear bad things happen to people who are fooled with this.
And she said, I know that for a fact.
And I said, but, but, but I'm doing it from, and she said, I don't want to know.
I don't want to know.
And she just went away.
You know, she didn't want to talk anymore.
She gave the warning that she was gone.
So I'm thinking, what have I got myself into?
And you know, now keep in mind how this all came about.
I asked the Lord to give me a script that had a, you know, a biblical theme commercial, something that would, something that had some punch to it, because I kind of felt like we needed to die.
These kids today, Need something to kind of set them straight.
You know what I'm saying?
When I was a kid, everybody had some, you know, we didn't always act right, but we knew right from wrong, if you know what I mean.
Different version of scared straight, huh?
Right.
So anyhow, you know, I'm thinking, Lord, you must have me confused with somebody else.
You know, this is not exactly what I was, you know, thinking about.
Yeah.
So anyhow, I did my research and I'm totally baffled because this 19, which we've been discussing, book that was basically John Bell Jr.'
's manuscript just didn't... I mean, it just didn't add up.
All I'm left with is this thing is a Bible-preaching demon from hell that claims that God allowed it to do this for the benefit of future generations.
Okay.
And I'm baffled.
I'm still baffled.
So, anyhow, I began to write my... A little voice just told me, go ahead and register your synopsis now or you'll be sorry.
So, normally you don't do this.
You don't register your synopsis.
You register a copywriter's script first.
Well, I worked just day and night to write up my basic story and I registered it.
This was in January of 1997.
As I begin to write my script, now remember, my script is a version of it coming back today, but my lead character, say somebody like you, who buys this farm, and then begins, this thing comes back, well... I've been sold some farms, believe me.
Yeah.
This one's got your name on it.
Yeah, quit reminding me.
Okay, so... The point I'm getting at is, is that I have to, I realize when I start to write my script, I cannot write my script, because I don't know the motive.
You see, I knew in my heart I had to parallel this with the original audience.
You couldn't end the story without a motive?
No, I couldn't even write my script.
I had to know the motive.
It wasn't going to work unless I knew the motive, because when it came back... All right, pretty soon you've got to give us a motive or I'm coming through this phone line and strangling you myself.
Okay, so I said, Lord, I can't do this thing.
Because I don't know.
I said, somehow, you're going to have to reveal this to me.
It's been a mystery, a total, complete, probably the world's greatest mystery since 1818, and I have to know the answer, or you can just forget this script.
Okay, now I'm starting to issue ultimatums.
We are not supposed to be threatening the Lord, but go right ahead.
It gets worse, and I learned my lesson the hard way.
So anyhow, lo and behold, I'm with a lady at a bookstore here in Mississippi.
There's a local author who sold a screenplay, and you want to go see these guys and see if they really exist.
I'm walking out, and I look at this lady, and there's a little voice in my head.
Now, this is in my head, not outside of my head.
That's called schizophrenia.
It says, go back inside.
There's a book on the Bell Witch that you need.
So I just stopped in my tracks, and I told her, I said, I've got to go back inside.
There's a book I need.
What are you talking about?
Just hold up.
Go back inside.
I asked the person at the desk, there's a book on the Bell Witch of Tennessee, a new book that just came out, and I need it.
He said, I don't know what you're talking about.
I said, well, look in your computer.
Lo and behold, he looks in the computer, and it's there in the system.
The book is not, they don't have it in stock yet, but it's in the system.
I'm beginning to get very suspicious of what you're calling your little voice.
Yeah, well, I was too.
I mean, this is new for me.
Let me kind of give you a little background of where I was coming from.
I never really believed, to me, you know, I had a Christian background, but to me the what they call spiritual warfare and this, I kind of felt like things just kind of rock on and when you die the supernatural kicks in.
You know what I'm saying?
I did not believe in the supernatural, but yet the Bible is supernatural in the whole.
It is, yes.
And you can't If you really believe the Bible, you've got to believe in spiritual warfare.
The struggle between Satan and his demons, and the Lord and, you know, his angels.
Alright, so what exactly happened to you?
Well, uh... Well, let me finish this here.
I had to... Anyhow, this book came out, okay, that I eventually got, was a manuscript It had been sealed since 1841.
It was written by the man who married Betsy Bell, the daughter.
Oh my God, really?
Now, it had been... Now, this is going to start getting weird here.
It had been sealed since 1841, and what happened was, this thing came back to him before he died.
He had a stroke and he was dying.
And he wrote everything down.
You know, he wanted to write up a full report of the haunting.
Okay, so this was the man who eventually did marry Betsy.
Right, right.
I should have told you this.
The spirit wanted Betsy to marry this person.
Oh, now it comes together.
In other words, the spirit had in mind who Betsy was going to marry.
Right, because it wanted this information to be revealed.
I've got you.
Okay, so.
It's starting to make sense now.
Piece of the time.
Yup, yup, yup.
Okay.
So, anyhow.
What's really weird about this manuscript is it's discovered by a lady in Port Gibson, Mississippi.
Why was it sealed?
I mean, was it hidden?
She found it in the attic of an old home, okay?
And she opened it for the first time, and it was written to their daughter, Betsy Bell's daughter, okay?
Richard Powell and Betsy Bell's daughter, in case this thing ever came back, to open it up.
Oh.
Okay, because they've been telling their daughter that this, all of this stuff about the bail, which was false.
You know, they're trying to distance, at the time, their child from this.
Gotcha.
But just in case?
Yeah, just in case.
So he knows he's dying, so he locks up everything, and here's the, here's the clincher.
The darn thing comes back to him and reveals to him why.
Why it was allowed to do what it did.
The Bell Witch came back to Betsy's husband at his deathbed, literally.
Well, he wasn't bedridden at that point, but he knew he was dying.
He'd already had one stroke, and he knew that he wasn't going to live much longer.
Anyway, it gave him long enough to write it up.
Right, and then he died.
And it told him why he did what he did.
Right.
Why, Neil?
Okay.
Remember, John Bale and the entire family were considered a fine Christian family.
I mean, he was a pillar of the community.
Indeed.
In church every Sunday.
Here's the thing.
He had sexually molested Betsy.
He had everybody fooled, but he didn't have God fooled.
So there's a poignant lesson here.
So this good Christian man... Yes, was not what he pretended to be.
He had, well, he had a dark sin.
Shall we say that was hidden from all except God and Betsy?
So now it's slowly starting to come, you know, you can see the pieces starting to fit together.
Oh my gosh.
Now, this man wanted to know why did you torment Betsy?
Well now, first of all, I want to know why didn't you talk?
You talked every day.
Why didn't you just tell everybody?
And it said their job was confession.
My job was retribution.
They said Betsy should have gone to her preacher or her mother and told.
And it said the truth carries a heavy price.
Wow.
Okay.
So... And... Anyhow.
Well, that told me everything I need to know.
And that was all in this manuscript?
Well, now the manuscript... In other words, the... It revealed everything.
It's a wonderful book.
It revealed, and it revealed even this...
Uh, this, in the manuscript, it revealed this, uh, the, the molestation that occurred.
Oh, yeah, yeah, the, the manuscript starts from, see, this man was at the house a lot during the Honeys, so he gives a full account.
He gives his, his, um, you know, account, personal account of this haunting.
But then he's able to conclude it, you see.
Nobody's ever been able to do that.
But, what, it was, his manuscript, even though it was sealed in 1841, it wasn't copyrighted until one month after I copyrighted my synopsis.
I got January, and he's got February.
Boy, oh boy, oh boy.
Now, it was discovered in Port Gibson, Mississippi, which is the setting of my previous script, which was a prototype for this script.
It was sort of a training script, so I kind of pioneered a new story structure.
And that previous script was all made possible by a fellow by the name of Bale, who came to me with his story, and I was able to incorporate his character.
A fellow named what?
He's a fella by the last name of Bell.
You've got a bit of a southern accent.
Are you saying Bell?
Yes.
This may get a little intimidating for you because this may start getting a little too close for home.
It already is.
Okay, fine.
Keep going.
Okay.
So, now this is an interesting fella.
He's a super good fella, but he was in a mental institution and he had developed schizophrenia from a brain lesion.
And the medications they put him on and he basically after he got out wanted to commit suicide but then he prayed one last time make a long story short and he said he instead of he woke up you know in other words he just immediately fell asleep evidently and a mockingbird was you know looking in the window singing to him this gets weird and he said well I'll die I mean I won't kill myself I'll die fighting crime and he can't this is a true story but it's it's too weird to even believe no go ahead Anyhow, so he's got this bizarre story and he's hearing voices and whatever and he eventually overcomes all this and he's better now and he's a super person.
But he wanted me to do a story on his personal story and I told him, I said, I can't do yours because that's just not my thing.
I do my own creative work.
I said, but I can incorporate your character, fictionalize him and put him in the script I'm working in now.
And it turns out this fellow, he had never heard of the Bail Witch and I asked him and I felt obligated to.
to work on the next script, which was the one on the Bell Witch.
And of course, I wanted to know if he was related, so he made some phone calls, and he calls this aunt who knew the
full account.
Even had the 1934 book by Dr. Charles Bader Bell, but she absolutely denied
that they were related to those Bells.
And she got very sensitive about it. So he began to believe that he was related.
Or he is related to those. So anyhow, I couldn't have done, you know, if that was a training script for this script,
and it was all made possible by this fella by the name of Bell.
No.
I mean, you know, I'm starting to see a trend here.
Yeah, I know, so am I. And then... So, as I progressed writing this script, I began to start getting stranger and stranger, shall we say.
No, specifically say, since we're now getting to the first-person stuff, in other words, stuff you experienced yourself.
Yeah, this is really what this show is all about.
It took me a while to get there.
Yeah, so we're there.
So what happened to you?
Okay, well, I'm going to try to put this in order.
There were so many things happening.
Well, first of all, One of the things that I, probably the first serious encounter was that I decided, I can't believe I did this, I was going to change the title.
I was starting to get comfortable with it at some point.
And I was going to change the title to Touched by a Demon.
I thought that was cute, you know, Touched by an Angel, Touched by a Demon.
And it's just like a voice spoke to me, and the Holy Spirit just spoke to me, just as before, telling me about the book that I needed, and said, you don't need to go there.
You're crossing a border.
You're trivializing the demon.
And I understand now what I was doing.
I'm taking the edge off of this.
And I can't believe I did this, but I said, loosen up.
Let's have fun with this.
Well, A short time later, my tire went flat.
And of course, you know, tires go flat.
So I'm not, I'm not, you know, this doesn't concern me at the time.
I'm not getting paranoid.
The next day I go to pick up the tire and the man at the tire shop, I mean, this man is all shook up.
He's like, I've been in this business for 20 years.
I've seen it all.
And he goes into this long story about how things can end up in tires.
He said, but what happened, what you have is physically impossible to happen.
He said, I want to know how you did this.
He hands me a ratchet extension.
Six inches long, half inch ratchet extension.
It's inside the tire.
That was inside the tire?
But here's the thing.
He said, now it could go in.
He said the front tire could kick it up and it could go in.
And he went through this long ordeal.
He said, look, and then he holds the tire up.
He said, but it went in from the side of the tire.
I still got the tire.
I'm holding the ratchet extension in my hand here.
It went in from the side, and I was almost at a standstill.
I was coming to a stop.
A six-inch ratchet wrench went into your tire.
It's not a wrench.
It's an extension, excuse me.
It went in from the side, not the bottom.
The side, like it's fired out of a gun.
Hold it right there, Neil.
We're about to get Neil's story.
Actually, we're already beginning to get it.
Of the Bell Witch from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
I'm here to make you, you wanna see the blues and you know it don't come easy.
You don't have to shout or think about, you can even play the music.
You are the rightful owner of explanations to the value that you gain.
An explanation she could tell you that she gave In the year of the cat
In the ear of the cat.
She doesn't give you time to question As she locks up your heart and home
She doesn't give you time for questions, as she locks up your own home.
And you follow to your sense of which direction Completely disappears
By the blue tar walls, near the market to stores There's a hidden door she leads you to
These days, she says, I feel my life Just like a river running through
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Good morning, everybody.
This Bellwish story really is beginning to seriously bother me, and I'll tell you why.
Um, there are certain things about my family that I would never tell you, and will never tell you.
And you know, I think that's probably true of everybody everywhere, isn't it?
You know, certain family things, right?
So, that's, that's all I'll say about that.
Uh, but when I was young, uh, we had a cane in our family, and the cane Hung over the fireplace.
It was over our, you know, up on the mantel over the fireplace.
And that cane traveled with us, I guess, ever since I could first remember it being there and until I went into the Air Force.
And then after I was in the Air Force, this is, you know, 22 years after I'm born, my parents divorced.
My father took possession of this cane.
Now, What was it about this cane?
This cane had been in our family since the Mayflower.
Actually, since the Mayflower.
And the cane traced every Arthur Bell name going all the way back that far.
The Mayflower.
And my father at the divorce came into possession of the cane and then it disappeared.
And I've asked my mom about it a bunch of times and it's just, you know, it's gone.
And she says she's sorry she ever let my dad keep possession of the cane, that it should have gone to me.
But that cane had our family history on it.
And so I don't claim any connection to this bellwitch thing at all, in any way.
But then again, I don't know my full family history.
That cane just disappeared.
It is the bellwitch.
Remember now, I was born in North Carolina, right?
And, uh, and it is my birthday today, and I am a bell.
Now, I, you know, that's just, uh, probably a lot of coincidence, but it is, it is starting to freak me out.
Anyway, the story is not mine, it's Neil's, and we were to the point where, uh, with Neil, where it was beginning to, uh, to affect Neil personally, and that's exactly what we'll get back to in a moment.
Well, all right, Neil, let us continue with your story.
All right.
Are you telling me that you lost your family tree?
Yeah.
Yeah.
This sounds a little too convenient here.
No, I'm telling you that we had a cane in our house and it was always, well, I just told the story.
I told you the truth.
That's the truth.
OK, so you really don't know that.
No, it was supposed to be passed on to me.
And, you know, so I don't know.
So you'll need to do a little research, but I know where it's going.
Anyhow, it will make sense later.
Yeah, well, some of it makes sense to me now, and I'm just not willing to talk about it all.
Anyway, go ahead.
Well, okay.
Now, look, before, I'm bouncing around a lot, and I'm a writer, I'm not a speaker, so I'm hoping I'm not being too confusing.
Well, I just want to keep you on track in terms of what happened to you.
You already told me.
Okay, but I want to say something, though.
Be sure and give me enough time, so I don't run out of time, so I can tie all the loose ends up.
Oh, yeah, bold.
If you don't, like I said, I'm coming through the phone after you, so go ahead.
Okay.
We, um, we were at the point to where this ratchet extension had gone through the car, uh, the tire, um... Like it was fired out of a cannon.
Yeah, after I was warned by, evidently, the Lord, you know, to, um, not change the title to Touch My Demon because I was trivializing the demon.
But, so anyhow, lesson learned.
So, it starts getting even stranger, but at this point I realize that this is, this is really, um, um, you know, I'm on dangerous ground here and I have to get The biblical elements of the script.
In my script, I've got a preacher who's giving you the backstory and then explaining all this.
Obviously, we wouldn't know.
The average church goer today doesn't read the Bible, so they wouldn't know.
I don't know anything about the Bible, so I'm in trouble right here.
I couldn't quote you a single verse at that time.
I realized, though, that I was going to have to get help.
One night, I get ready to go to bed.
I don't usually go to bed until about 2 o'clock in the morning.
A little voice just said, Go in and turn on this Christian radio station.
There's a program on.
You need to hear.
I'm tired.
Again, I'm arguing with God, evidently.
I'm tired.
I don't want to go.
I want to go to bed.
Anyhow, I get up and go to bed eventually because it will not let me sleep if I don't You know, from the radio station.
As soon as I did, they had this, I guess he was a theologian with a PhD, and he was a very brilliant man, and he was explaining from a biblical perspective, ghosts and demons and all of that, clarifying all that.
Okay?
And he had just written a book, and I was able to go get his book the next day at a Christian bookstore, and it told me everything I needed to know.
So right there, I had everything I needed to know as far as to get, you know, That aspect of it, right.
Well, anyhow, it starts getting a little stranger here when, as I get deeper and deeper into
the script and I'm warned by the preacher, and he really liked what I was doing, but
he said, he warned me that Satan is not going to tolerate this because if this movie gets
made, if you reveal all this, even though the movie is entertainment, these true facts
will be revealed and it could have a profound effect.
I mean, it could start a revival or something and Satan just isn't going to stand for that.
And he warned me that as long as you stay on, you know, you don't sell out and compromise
the biblical integrity, you'll be okay.
Now you'll see some weird stuff, but you'll be okay.
Just, you know, stay close to the Lord.
It sounds like something a preacher would say, yeah.
Yeah.
So, anyhow, at that point I knew this was all real.
So I took that advice, you know, seriously.
Well, one night I get this strange phone call and it was like, it was static on the end
of the phone.
Like you don't hear anymore.
Thank you.
You know, and there was a voice that just said two words.
It was a strange voice.
It didn't sound right.
It said Lucille.
Lucille?
Yeah, then Lucille.
Okay, and then it hung up.
I thought, well that was odd.
I was so busy I didn't think much of it.
It was just strange, but when I got ready to go to bed, that little voice, which almost, you know, the Holy Spirit just spoke to me and said, and it's just like somebody talking to you, just clear as a bell, anyhow, said that voice was Lucifer.
Oh.
So I'm thinking, yeah, that's what, that's what that, you know, you wouldn't expect to get a phone call and a voice and they say Lucifer.
You know, in your head you're trying to make it out to the, you know, that's just not, you know, what you would expect to get.
So I thought... Maybe the voice was really saying, Lucifer isn't a Lucifer, he's Lucille, the devil's a woman.
Sorry, go ahead.
So, I thought, well, it's just somebody in Hollywood, at that time I was sending out, you know, synopsis with the history and everything, basically the photo that she received, and I was getting ready to go back to North Alabama to some kinfolks home and spend Easter weekend.
It's Easter.
To make a long story short, during this time before I got there, I was just over and over.
I was getting ready to go back to North Alabama to some kinfolks home and spend Easter weekend.
It's Easter. To make a long story short, during this time before I got there, I was just over
and over. I was being told, now you are going to encounter a demonic spirit but don't be
afraid. You are a lot like a ghost but you know what it is.
It's a demonic entity counterfeiting itself as a ghost. Don't be afraid. You know what to do. It
was over and over. It was like I was being told this. I was like, okay, I'm cool. I can
handle it. It's not a problem.
I was starting to get the big ad again. My uncle had bought this old house. He had told
me when I first told him about what I was doing, about they were having trouble with
a spirit thing in the house.
And I didn't know what in the world.
I had never heard anybody tell me that before.
And I said, well, describe it.
And he said, well, it's sort of like a light that just sort of dances down the hall or in the room.
And I really just wasn't comprehending this.
And I'm going to try to make this really short to get to the point.
But, so I'll go to their house, and I notice, you know, this is Easter, you know, all the family gets together, and the kids, and all come into town, and it's like, but nobody's, before dark, everybody seemed to sort of clearing out, you know?
Like nobody was gonna stay there.
Something was wrong.
Why would they not stay at the house?
So, anyhow, I watched this, you know, it's Easter night, so I watched this Jesus film that my aunt had.
and any other give me the bedroom to get into countless bedrooms in this house a
beautiful old home and uh...
i'd go and for some reason i'm not putting this all together is this stupid
or what you know i'm giving this warning that i'm gonna
the you know i encountered this entity
and then you know i'm staying at a house that
i was told they're having trouble with it which is Yeah, right there, you ought to think.
I should have put the two together.
Maybe my time is now.
Yeah, so I'm just, I was tired.
I had been involved in a lot.
And so when I get to my room, that's when I noticed these sounds, these funny sounds.
I'm thinking, well, it's an old house.
They're like tapping sounds on the walls.
Well, I'm thinking, you know, no big deal.
I'm tired.
I'm going to bed.
And then all of a sudden I see like a starburst.
I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like a... You know how the fireworks do when they explode?
Again, this is much smaller, about the size of your fist.
Yes.
The lights are still on.
And I thought, well, that's just my eyes.
You know, I'm tired.
You know, sometimes your eyes play tricks on you.
Yep.
So I turn off the light.
And, lo and behold, uh... All of a sudden... I mean, I'm gonna get the covers up.
Here is this thing dancing around in the wind.
I mean, this light, and I don't know how to describe it.
It was like a giant lightning bug.
And it was actually very pretty.
Of course, I knew what it was.
And of course, at first, you know, I was arguing with my eyes, you know, like trying to, you know, put some logical explanation for this, come to some logical explanation.
That's what the brain trusts.
Yeah.
And then, all of a sudden, Mark, I realized, it was just like a voice, a voice that said, that's the demon.
Now all that brave talk about take on the devil and all that went out.
All I could think of was getting out of there.
I wanted out of that room.
And it was just like the people on the, you know, you hear all these news reports after an accident or something.
It's like you're moving in slow motion.
I finally get to the door, which was just a few feet away.
And it seemed like it took me forever to get to that door.
And it was like freedom.
Like I'm, it's kind of like you're on sharks after you get out of the water, you know, I'm home free.
Well, as soon as I got to the door, it just, Something came over me.
I guess it was just the Holy Spirit talking to me.
He said, no, you can't run from this.
You have to deal with it.
And so I'm thinking, I'm hoping this is a dream.
I'm hoping I'm going to wake up, you know, and this is all going to be gone.
Yes.
But it wasn't.
I slowly turned around and there it is.
And what's so incredible about this, Lane, of course, I know your audience, this isn't probably not all that weird to them.
A lot of your audience probably reported these type of entities.
But anyhow, when... Was there what was?
Describe what you saw.
Well, it was just this light sort of dancing around the room.
It was flickering.
It would go off and then on.
And it was sort of a bluish white color.
Right.
But it ain't supposed to be in my room.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not.
It's obviously supernatural.
What's incredible about it was you expected to hear lightning or thunder because it was so it like so much
power All right, so I'm gonna go face this thing and basically
form an exorcism now
you know This is my first drop
And I did see the exorcist and an exorcist. Oh, I see you saw the exorcist. So that was your your training
My Bible school when I was a kid, they did not have you know, exorcism was not part of the training
So anyhow, I basically go through you know in the name of Jesus Christ
You know demand that you leave or whatever Well, this thing got really excited when I did that.
I mean, it obviously did not like that.
I remember thinking to myself, Lord, don't let this thing get behind me and don't let it morph into anything else, kind of like on the exercise.
I can deal with Tinkerbell here, but don't, you know.
After a while, I started gaining confidence.
Sinkerville.
Yeah, I mean, you know, you remember The Exorcist?
Remember how the thing sort of just talks to you like a big dog-like animal?
I remember very well, thank you.
Yeah, so, you know, I, you know, I was, what, you know, you can understand where I'm coming from.
Yes.
It could morph itself into anything.
It's a demon, okay?
So, anyhow, I went through my little exorcism deal, and it seemed to be working, but I wasn't quite, it was like a sort of a tie, you know?
It seemed to be sort of wearing down, And eventually I went and turned the light on, and when I did that, I couldn't see it anymore.
But the room came alive as if a bird had gotten into the room and was just bouncing off the walls.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you could hear the bird get in the house, and it would just panic.
Yes, and boom, boom, boom, boom off all the walls.
Right.
And as soon as you would look, you wouldn't see anything.
It was like tapping on the roof.
You could hear something bouncing off the walls?
Yeah, and the roof.
And you could feel it.
As in it was frantic to get out?
Well, as if it was messing with me.
It's more like the way I took it.
It was this entity still in the room.
This demonic entity.
And you could feel it.
I don't know how to explain it.
But you could feel it.
It was like this tension.
Of course, I was pretty tense.
Anyhow, so I go downstairs.
I get the biggest Bible I can find.
You need to always have one of those close at hand.
And I come back.
You know, try everything I can do.
Again, this is my first exorcism and my last, by the way, because when the Lord and I had a little talk after this, you know, I reminded him that I'm a screenplay writer.
You know, this is not what I was bargaining for.
So anyhow, I then said, I realized I couldn't make any headway with this thing.
And finally I did what I should have done all along.
I said something to this effect, Lord, you know, I can't, I'll stay here and be your Whatever, you know, servant or whatever, but I said, I'm turning this over to you.
I can't make, I can't do it.
You know, I can't deal with this.
I can't defeat this.
And the moment I said that, it was just like you put your fingers and it would go.
And it's never been back.
Uh, well, I'll get there, but, uh, no, well, it was resolved eventually.
Uh, but, It left immediately, and you see what I did was, I was trying to take on this thing myself, and you can't take on the spirit.
The lesson was learned, and I guess I had to learn that as far as, you know, what I'm working on in this script.
Kind of like I'm not a plumber.
You know, if there's a leak, all I'm going to do is make it worse.
Right, right.
I had to just turn it over to the Lord.
See, I can't defeat a spirit.
What I was doing, I was starting to think, well, that I personally was going to remove this thing.
And again, this was my first experience, though.
It was, you know, what you call on-the-job training.
So, anyhow, after that, I'm really starting to get sort of antsy, you know?
Alright, alright.
Hold on, Neil.
We've got to wrap this up in the next segment.
Neil Sibley is my guest, from the high desert.
This is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Mark Bell.
I'm Mark Bell.
My sweet Lord.
Mmm, my Lord.
Mmm, my Lord.
I really want to see you.
Really want to be with you.
I tried to wait for you, but you have lost your mind.
Whatever happened to our love?
I wish I understood more.
I wish I understood more It used to be so nice, it used to be so good
Oh, when you near me, darling Can't you hear me, it's so exit The love you gave me Nothing is the same, it's so good
Can't you hear me, it's so exit The love you gave me Nothing is the same, it's so good
When you're gone How can I even try to go on When you're gone Though I try, how can I carry on
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Tonight you're hearing the story of the Bell Witch.
Now, I'm not sure that a night in which my birthday occurs was the right time for me to do this.
Or maybe it was the only time for me to do it.
And I don't want to really think that either.
My guest is Neil Sibley.
And we're going to tie up some loose ends for you coming up if you'll just stay exactly where you are.
Back now to Neil Sibley.
And all right, Neil.
We are drawing short on time.
So let's finish.
I will sum this up.
We'll get back to this spirit of the Bell Witch.
And how did it, sort of, all the pieces fit together in a biblical lesson that we're going to learn from this.
This is your nightly Bible lesson.
Okay, but to you, finish up with what happened to you.
Oh, okay.
With the events, as far as personal... That stopped as of... No, no, no, no.
Well, at that point, what I did was, I basically issued an ultimatum.
I don't know if you're supposed to do this or not, but I said, I think I've got the hang of it.
I've seen enough.
I don't want to see any more of this stuff because I'll take this stuff and throw it in the trash and you'll have to get somebody else crazy enough to do this.
At the same time, each one of these disturbing events was sort of a training lesson for me.
I was being sort of, I guess, trained the hard way.
How to, uh, information that I needed to sort of help convey this, uh, you know, this biblical story.
Well, it don't come easy, like the song says.
No, no, it didn't come easy.
That's the way you're supposed to get it.
Uh, but, uh, you know, I was also, I reached a point where I was very cautious.
I knew, uh, um, you know, I didn't, uh, I didn't compromise.
I was constantly being told by Hollywood to compromise the story, the biblical elements.
And I basically told them, you people don't have enough money.
Okay?
It's gonna be the way it is.
You were told it had to be that way.
Excuse me?
You were told it had to be that way at every turn when you tried to change it.
Things didn't work out at all.
Right, right.
You could not compromise the biblical elements.
You can see that that is inherent to this story.
And it cannot, obviously this thing was set up by God to reveal something to today's generation.
Now, To make a long story short, the problem, and I heard this from an intellectual preacher and at first it didn't make sense, he said the problem today is it's not that people stop believing in God.
And this isn't going to make sense at first, but he said they stopped believing in demons, Satan, and hell.
You know what?
I believe that.
I really do believe that.
In fact, nine out of ten New Age type people that I interview, Neil, do not believe in Satan.
Do not believe in hell.
They believe in various descriptions and levels of heaven and a spiritual world and I could go on and on and on, but they don't believe in hell and they don't believe in the devil.
It's worse than that.
The church doesn't even believe anymore.
That's the truth.
I'm looking at this actual polling Results, born-again Christians who say that Satan is real, 41%.
Only 41% of born-again Christians.
Now that's amazing.
Okay?
You know, it's mainline church attenders who say that Satan is real, 33%.
Baptists who say that Satan is real, 34 of 1.
You know, this... So the Bell Witch... The Bell Witch demonstrates, first of all, that demon spirits are real.
The Bell Witch is not gone, is it?
The Bell Witch will never be gone, will it?
This is the thing.
I figured this out.
If it didn't act up, then many people, you could never make believe this.
It would always, I don't care how much you dug out of history books, it would never be real.
But the fact that this thing is acting up, and I suspect when we shoot the movie, it will show, well I know it will, it will show up and it will impress some of these Actors, and they'll say something like, I didn't think this was real, but we experienced this and that.
Yeah, well obviously it's real.
Marsha in Spokane, Washington asks a pretty good question.
You know, there's a lot of molestations that go on around the world.
The Catholic Church is having its own problems right now, and Marsha says, look, God forgives people.
So why would this demon come because of this molestation?
Okay.
What I'm saying is this demon was allowed to manifest.
Now, it didn't just come.
It manifested itself in a way that was overt.
I mean, it made itself known to the whole nation.
This is very unusual that a demon like this would actually talk to people.
It was evidently allowed by God to demonstrate, to make this demonstration So that it could be, you know, conveyed to the public in a believable manner.
And I don't know if that's getting answered in the question or not.
No, it is.
It is.
Another... What I'm going to have to do is, I'm going to have to read.
Now, here's... You know, we're running out of time, and I need to sort of cut to the chase on this part.
Please do.
How do we know a spirit... The Bible tells us that a demon could appear and deceive us.
It could appear as the angel of the light.
How do you know whether or not You know, there's a way you can test it.
I'm going to read here, I have to read this Bible verse here real quickly.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false spirits have gone out into the world.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God.
Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ is not from God.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and even now is already in the world.
That's 1 John 4, 1-3.
Now, this was what was so confusing.
According to the Bible, this thing was from God, because it was acknowledging Jesus Christ.
But, this is, and I've checked this out with preachers.
Okay, it was a demon, but God has the power.
He could reach over, literally, and just take a demon and say, You will do what I tell you to.
I'm going to allow you to manifest yourself, and I'm going to put restrictions.
You're not going to harm my people, the Christians that are actually true Christians.
But the fallen Christians and the phonies and the frauds are fair game.
And what percentage of the population would you estimate that to be?
Well, there's one less now, after my experience.
I'll tell you that.
Okay, now let me give you a quote from this thing made, which, and again, this was given to John Bell, Jr., and was not revealed until 1934 in the book.
It was published by Dr. Charles Bailey Bell, his grandson.
Yes, sir.
Okay, this is a quote now from this thing.
It's going to explain what it is.
We've got to be careful with this thing because I'm looking for this thing to deceive me at
every bend.
But anyhow, I want to give you this.
Just go ahead and read it.
Okay.
A spirit such as you are listening to is a perpetual creation, not bonded by space or
time, created by a power to whom this world must bow as an infinite being.
This being must be accepted by faith.
It can only be realized by a being being possessed of a soul, and that soul regenerated by the
acceptance of Christ is the Savior of men.
His spirit has endured and will endure for all times, even after this world has ceased
to be.
Now, that's a pretty strong statement.
Okay.
Now, it goes on to say, and I'll give you two more quick statements.
Do not think this presumptuous for such a spirit as I to be telling you of these things.
The Creator has used the devil himself in his plans and can use anything he wishes.
He may be using me, I do not know.
For the time I am to be here, let us hope I may be used in a way that may help future generations.
Strange.
And that's right from the manuscript?
That's right.
This is the spirit.
This is a quote.
One more here, and we're going to cut to the chase right here.
Jesus Christ died as your Bible teaches.
That he was dead, buried, and rose is just as true as that you were born.
Thousands of spirits, if allowed to talk, could tell you of that day.
After millions of years, anoint of the cruelties on earth, that to which Jesus Christ was subjected was the most affecting ever witnessed by the spirit world, both good and demon spirits.
You know, so it's making it very clear that it's acknowledging Jesus Christ.
I'm not reading anything into this.
So, if you were God and you wanted to put the fear of God back into people today, today's generation... Fear of God is the correct phrase, I think.
Yes, yes.
Well, if you fear God, you don't have to worry about the devil in a sense.
I mean, the way I look at this, If demons are real, and hell is real, and Satan is real, and God's real, you fear offending God.
You don't want to offend God because you want all the protection you can get.
And you obviously don't want to go to hell after you die.
But, uh, if you, if God, you see, if you were God and you really wanted to intimidate this generation, He could have used one of His angels.
But if you were God, wouldn't you use a demon?
It'd be more intimidating, right?
Far.
Far.
It certainly worked on me.
Uh, So, you know, this has been kind of confusing because I've jumped around and I'm really not, uh, this is all new to me.
I'm a writer, not a speaker, so... You've done very well.
Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
So, any loose ends that, uh... I'll be glad if anything you need, you just give me a call and I'll be glad to try to help you out.
But I want to find your family tree.
I wouldn't believe art.
I just feel like it.
Look, what you need to do is a show on location.
Okay.
You know... Look, consider it a family reunion.
Neil, we're going to the phones.
Yeah, I just really need to go to the Bell Witch Farm.
Yeah, sure.
You bet.
You may find your cane.
Next payday.
Oh, God.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Neil Sibley.
Hello.
Art?
Yes, we don't have a lot of time, sir.
Okay, Neil is talking how Jesus Christ basically sent the Bell Witch.
Yep.
And how does that work?
Well, well... No, okay, he didn't send it.
John Bell's sin is what brought this.
Yes, and it came from God.
How does that happen?
I don't believe in God.
I'm a Satanist myself.
And I don't think that's true, because I think... Wait, now that's interesting.
You're a Satanist, so you believe in Satan, right?
No, there's no such thing as Satan.
There is no such... Then why are you a Satanist?
A Satanist is a person who believes in themselves.
I would call that a humanist, but no, that's not a humanist.
Well, you can call it, if you want to call it a humanist.
Why use Satan's name to involve yourself?
It's just something that believes in yourself, and it's kind of offending to the, you know, Christian religion.
Well, you're not going to offend anybody.
That's something everybody has to make their own decision.
That's a personal thing.
And, you know, this is not something you can force on people.
I'm fortunate that I had a Christian upbringing, and And this experience is sort of, shall we say, reinforced every time that I was taught, but really didn't believe to an extent.
Alright, Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Sibley, hello.
Hi, I was wondering, Neil, you know you see a lot of things going on today.
Uh, that one guy, he's got a, uh, uh, program where he speaks to the dead.
It's a primetime program.
John Everett.
Uh, I've seen it.
Yeah, yeah.
I've seen that.
And, you know, right off the bat, I know, I know that, um, there are, there are demons that this guy's talking to.
Yeah, and they're strictly forbidden in the Bible.
Yeah, they're purporting to be loved ones and people that have died, you know, recently or in the past, but those are demons that this guy's communing with.
And I guess, you know, people laugh at you if you say that and stuff, but that's the truth.
It is the truth.
And that is strictly forbidden in the Bible, and that is why, because you will be deceived.
And this thing demonstrated that, that it had total knowledge.
So this, to me, pretty well, Solve that.
Yeah.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Sibley.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hey, happy birthday, Art.
Oh, thank you.
Oh, cool.
Hey, to your guest, Neil, this is a wild story right here, and I was just wondering, the origin of this, does this have anything to do, just like the Kennedys, you know how they've been cursed for about 80 years?
Do you think, do you see any significance in it with that, too, with this Bell story versus the Kennedy story?
Well, I'm not really sure I understand.
I think maybe what you're saying, referring to a verse in the Bible where the sin of the father will go down three generations.
Yeah, he's referring to family curses.
Like the Kennedys.
I don't know how that fits into the biblical view.
I'm really probably not qualified to.
I didn't know a single Bible verse until I started this thing, so I'm not the best person to answer that.
I'm not involved in the Bible.
The Bell family, after this occurred, really has not been bothered by this entity.
It did not carry down from generation to generation.
Of course, they just haven't spoke of it.
Keep in mind the reason it was there, and it actually served a purpose.
Have you... You know, there's a lot of people, Neil, who would not speak of this.
In fact, there was a gap in the Bell situation where it was not spoken of, right?
That's correct.
Even within their family.
So what makes you think, and have you investigated, the current descendants?
I mean, as in... Maybe you need to do that.
Get away from me!
I'm real serious about that, Neil.
Well, you can understand why they... Here was the problem.
Once... You can imagine the wild stories that were reported in the newspaper that weren't accurate.
Yeah.
Okay, and it just got wilder and wilder and wilder, and they were doing everything in their power to... Yeah, to stop it.
I know.
Right, so they just... They did not speak of it.
In fact, in 1934, when Dr. Bale released his book, many of the family members were very disturbed about it.
I can imagine.
Sure.
Maybe your grandparents have been protecting you from this.
Oh, please.
I just can't, for some reason, I know that all these pieces are going to fit together.
You need to go, you need to do a show from, live from the farm.
I'm telling you, it would be a great show.
Look, you could have a little camp out around the fire there, in front of the Bell Witch Cave on the river.
It's a beautiful scene.
Might be the great last show.
Yeah, well it could, but look, you could have the local people telling their stories.
Yeah, good for me how you could write about it.
And then look, you could go You could have a preacher there to give you a quick course on exorcism, and then to give you one of those big bright take on the devil bibles, and you could go into the cave by yourself and deal with this live.
Yeah, oh fine, Neil.
That'd be a great show.
Next payday.
Look, if you're right with the Lord, there's nothing to worry about.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with a slightly annoying Neal Sibley.
Hello.
Hi, this is, um, hi to you and your guests.
This is Kyle.
I just wanted to let you know there's a book on the market called The National Directory of Haunted Places.
Yes.
From the 1990s by, um, William Dent, or Dennis William Haught, Penwin Books, and they have a big section here listed under Tennessee on the John Bell Farm.
Yeah, obviously.
He gives extra information.
He also has 22 references in here going back to 1967 about what you were saying.
One other thing I wanted to add, some people thought, well they called the witch Kate.
They thought it might have been the spirit of Kate Bates who was a woman that John Bell
had proposed marriage to.
Then they found her body near a well in the property in the late 1770s.
Soon afterwards John married Lucy and moved to Tennessee.
Oh my God, is that true?
Yes, it's in the book, Penguin Books, the National Directory of Haunted Places.
Dennis William Hogg gives 22 references including a University of North Carolina.
There's one you better... Did you say North Carolina?
I believe it's either North or South Carolina, but there's a lot of times you have guests on and you say, oh I didn't know about that, I didn't know about this, but this book is great.
It covers about 90% of things that you've missed.
Okay, but the body in the well, Neil?
Near the well.
The family left North Carolina, all I know is they moved to Tennessee, but as far as I know they had a very good reputation and that's why Everybody was so, uh, this was such a mystery.
Okay, well, they give actual directions to the place, too, even to the Bell Witch Cave and everything.
It's a wonderful book.
Check it out.
Well, I've, uh... Thanks for the... Yeah, I just wanted to back up your story.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
Uh, one of the things that, uh, that happened, when I began to experience all this and talk about it, I was amazed at the number of people that would tell me their stories.
And these are normal church-going people that would... They don't talk about this stuff.
Yeah.
And I could put together a book myself of And evidently there's a lot of this going on now and I heard a theologian say they're seeing more of the spiritual both evil and good in the last few years than they have in the last 75.
Well, I'm hearing that from everyone.
Neil, there is something... But there's a lot of people being deceived.
They need to get their Bible out.
There's something, trust me when I tell you, there really is something going on.
There's a change going on in the world right now.
There's no question about that.
I may look at it and come at it from a slightly different place than you, but I... No, no, you won't.
You know, you won't after you get to the farm.
I promise you, you will get religion.
I promise you.
I probably won't even get out of there alive.
Neil?
Uh, thank you for being here.
Thank you for telling us the story.
It truly is one I had never heard, and now I'm not sure whether I'm happy I heard it, but you did a wonderful job, Neil.
Well, happy birthday.
Yeah, thank you.
Good night, Neil.
Good night.
That's Neil Sibley, and that's the story of the Bell Witch.
I guess I ought to try and learn more.
I wonder if I even want to know more.
Yeah, sure.
A live remote from the cave.
Coming right up.
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