Nancy Lieder, a self-proclaimed "enhanced contactee" from Zeta Talk, details her telepathic communication with the Zetas—reptilian aliens resembling fenceposts with sulfuric breath—who claim Earth was designated a "reform school" for violent souls during upcoming cataclysms. She predicts a 2003 pole shift and Planet X arrival (a smoldering brown dwarf with a 3,657-year orbit), causing 675-foot sea level rises, displacing coasts like Brazil becoming the new North Pole, and leaving only 10% of humanity surviving. Lieder insists governments, including MJ-12, know but will exploit survivors post-collapse, warning of Mad Max-style chaos where good souls and hybrids thrive while evil ones perish. [Automatically generated summary]
So when I take my first few calls here, I'm going to ask that everybody else hang up, please.
Don't call.
Yeah, we are having an hour of open lines here.
But I want a few calls from Denver first.
All lines.
This applies to all telephone lines.
All of them.
First time caller, Wild Guard line, east of the Rockies, was to the Rockies, couldn't do it anyway.
And the international line, all the lines are reserved just for people in the Denver area.
So we can get some sense of what you're seeing there and feeling.
And the man accused of plotting with al-Qaeda to detonate a dirty bomb inside the U.S. was a close protégé, apparently, of Osama bin Laden himself, traveling at his mentor's request, it says here, to meet with other terrorists and using the internet to research how to build a radioactive weapon.
So apparently he got on the internet and just read how you do it.
It's all on the internet.
They've got how to build an atomic bomb up there.
So I'm not real surprised to find out they were using and are using the internet probably to communicate and to find out how to make the bad stuff they need.
In Israel, another bomber blew himself up.
I was at a restaurant just north of Tel Aviv on Tuesday, killing one Israeli teenager, wounding eight other people.
It's just another in the long series.
A lot of people predicting that's what we can expect next are acts like this, homicide bombers.
The astronauts wired up and bolted down a work platform Tuesday that will allow the International Space Station's 58-foot robot arm to roam across the orbiting outpost.
An even more momentous event occurred later when the two Americans who moved out of the space station and into the space shuttle endeavor broke NASA's space endurance record.
Let's see, that would be 188 days, a 188-day four-hour mark set by Shannon Lucid in 1996 aboard Russia's Mir space station.
There you are.
McCartney getting hitched.
Paul McCartney got married.
Heather Mills married today in a remote Irish castle.
That sounds kind of neat, huh?
While fans and journalists throng the gates for a glimpse of the ex-Beatle and his new bride.
The stock market, stock market, did you see today's figures down what?
About 128 points for the Dow and about another 33.51 for the NASDAQ, bringing the Dow to 95.17.
NASDAQ down to 1497.
So the economy, boy, the economy, it's not doing very well at all, is it?
Listen, I've got a UFO photograph for you on the website.
It's up there right now, and it comes from this person who writes, longtime listener to the show, never been a caller yet, as I never had much to contribute until now.
This past Sunday, the attached photo was taken not knowing that the object in the sky was there.
Right after the photo was taken, I mean, just seconds after it was snapped, everybody turned around.
This lady in the background, who's pointing at the UFO, started yelling hysterically.
She kept saying, did you see it?
Did you see it?
What the hell was that?
But everyone thought she was nuts because none of us saw anything.
No one even bothered to ask her what she saw.
We all thought she was just some sort of lunatic.
Well, today my friend emailed me the picture that he took of us, and I thought my heart was going to jump out of my chest.
It was pounding so hard.
There behind me is a woman who is yelling.
She's pointing up to the sky, and there's what appears to be a saucer-shaped UFO right where she's pointing to.
And boy, is he right about that?
It absolutely is or appears to be a flying saucer.
And let me tell you a little more about this photograph, all right?
He hopes it'll be posted on the website.
He says, none of us really want to give out our full names at this time.
We printed all this up on the website.
We have never done anything like this before and don't want our names all over the papers or anything and have no idea what other harm could come from this.
So for now, is it okay for us to remain semi-anonymous?
Well, we thought, of course it's okay.
You know, see, in the picture he sent us, he didn't eliminate the faces in the picture.
And we thought, well, you know, how do we know we have permission to put everybody's photograph up there?
So we blotted out the picture of the young lady.
He didn't do that.
We did.
But quite clearly, above her and beside a phone pole, giving it some distance, appears to be a saucer moving quite quickly for whatever shutter speed he was using.
Who knows?
Appears to me moving quite quickly, and it certainly does seem to be a flying saucer.
That's all you could call this flying saucer.
So if you want to see it, it's up there right now at artbell.com.
Go to artbell.com, my website, under what's new, Paul's UFO.
We've also got some pictures of the solar eclipse as it occurred the other day.
Some really cool pictures, actually, Of the solar eclipse.
Really neat stuff.
Boy, people are getting really good with cameras.
You know it.
I've got some more news on that smallpox story.
You remember the smallpox story from last night?
Seems so unbelievable, right?
What are they talking about, smallpox?
Smallpox was supposed to be eradicated in the entire world, right?
But could there be smallpox in Pakistan?
Well, in a moment, more.
Well, last night, we heard about the possibility of smallpox in Pakistan.
Smallpox was thought to be completely eradicated from the human race with only a few samples on hand at the CDC or wherever they keep this kind of thing.
And they were even in great debate about whether to destroy them or not.
Well, well, well, well, listen to this.
Pakistan's major English language daily newspaper has reported what it calls a, quote, smallpox epidemic, end quote, that is rapidly spreading in the Pakistani province of Swabi, SWABI, a development that, if true, raises grave concerns about global health and bioterrorism.
Neither the Centers for Disease Control nor the World Health Organization has confirmed or denied the loan report, although the highly communicable and fatal disease was indeed officially eradicated from the world in 1977.
In recent months, the threat of a smallpox bioterror attack has raised new questions about who might have access to the virus, how it could be used as a deadly weapon against large population bases.
According to the Pakistan Dawn story, quote, a large number of children have suffered from smallpox, but the authorities concerned have failed to take any action to prevent this disease or immunize the people against it.
The story adds, a health official said that the dilemma of the people was that they were not aware of the danger aspects of this ailment as the children suffering from it have neither been kept in isolation nor properly treated.
When contacted by WorldNet Daily, the Don Bureau chief at Peshawar said he stands by the story.
He said, I assume it is correct.
This is the first major story on this disease.
He said, to his knowledge, no other media organization has yet picked it up.
You're the first to call about it, he said.
The story also appeared in the paper's hard copy version in Pakistan.
Bond says no government officials have contacted the paper to dispute the story, and the reporter had, in fact, spoken to an official from the government's health department.
Rebecca Harding, rather, of the World Health Organization's press office knew nothing of it, but was eager to look into it.
A spokesperson for the Centers for Disease Control said he hadn't heard anything from official sources about any outbreak.
We did get some anecdotal reports, said the CDC's Llewellyn Grant.
If that's true, let's think about that a little bit.
Smallpox.
Deadly, deadly smallpox, said last night's guest, perhaps hemorrhagic smallpox.
And where is it appearing?
Pakistan.
And who's in Pakistan?
Al-Qaeda.
Now, what do they want to do to us?
Kill us.
So is it so outrageous to presume that what we might be seeing here is a test?
You know, what's killing a few of your own people to make sure that something works?
So I'm pretty concerned about this story.
I mean, in the end, what we can all hope is that it's some other kind of pox and that there's some not even deadlier form of it, as in hemorrhagic smallpox, yikes.
Listen, coming up in the next hour, boy are you, are we all in for it.
Nancy Leder is going to be here.
And Nancy Leder runs Zeta Talk, I guess, and claims to be an enhanced contactee who speaks telepathically with aliens from Zeta Reticuli.
She says the Zetas have revealed to her information about life on other worlds, the ET origins of the human species, that would be us, the Zeta Human Hybrid Breeding Program, its reasons and methods,
political science of the cosmos, who is who, the rules of engagement, protocols, the Council of Worlds, time travel, the nature of human, or rather, of alien visitation and human recall of the events, contact techniques, origins of pyramids and the Sphinx.
I mean, it goes on and on and on, and we're going to be talking.
Everybody has wanted to talk about Planet X. And as you know, we've had a number of guests now on Planet X, and so it makes sense to have tonight a Nancy leader on from Zeta Talk.
They've been on this Planet X thing for a long time.
So we'll see what she has got to say.
Planet X might be Nibiru.
It might be the planet that is mythically thought to come back every X number of years, getting either very close to Earth or sometimes not so close to Earth, you know, depending on the cycle.
But when it comes really close to Earth, really bad things happen.
I mean, after all, look at Mars.
Mars, we now know, has all this water.
Oh, my gosh, it has oceans of water.
But it's all frozen, most of it underground.
Unless you're near some volcanic activity, it's frozen.
Because the atmosphere is all gone.
Now, one of the things that this is just some for you to contemplate a little bit, one of the things that could do to Mars what apparently was done.
Remember, as planets orbit, we're right next to Mars.
Mars is closest to Mars.
So if this tenth planet makes a swing, it might make sense that occasionally it would cut it close to Mars.
Now, you know, if you had something that would literally graze your atmosphere, that would, I'm not a planetary scientist, of course, but I think most would agree that would be enough, depending on where, how close it came, to literally strip the atmosphere off the planet, boiling away the water, freezing the water, instant freeze, whatever.
That is one thing that actually could do the trick.
I mean, we always sit here and we puzzle about Mars.
Well, well, what the hell happened?
A good reason to wonder about what happened to Mars is we live here on Earth, right next door, so to speak.
And if it can happen there, it can happen here.
And if there really is a tenth planet or a burned-out sun or whatever it is they think is out there.
And as you know, there's been some late substantiation that there is something out there with scientists say they believe they have, in fact, discovered a body out there.
Big planet, burned-out sun.
They're not sure.
But something lurks out there.
I haven't heard any mainstream news say it might be headed this way.
But that's what we've got tonight's guest on for.
Anyway, the first few calls I want to take are going to be from Colorado, and then we'll open it up for everybody.
And for Colorado, I thought we would dedicate this song in great hopes.
I'm Mark Bell, and this is Post.
unidentified
Listen to the ripple of the falling rain, telling me just what it feels like.
I wish that it would be quite a bit and let me be alone.
The only girl I hear is gone away.
Looking for a brand new start But little does she know that when she left that day Along with her she took my heart Mama said, Mama said, Mama said There'll be days like this, there'll be days like this My mama said, Mama said, Mama said I was walking the other day, and everything was going fine.
I met a little boy named Villeo, and then I almost lost my mind.
Mama said, there'll be days like this.
There'll be days like this, my mama said.
Well, it's time, I'm fine.
Mama said, there'll be days like this.
There'll be days like this, my mama said.
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This was part of the report the president disavowed, but it came from inside his own administration.
And that's exactly what they said.
And this hit me right in the eye when it said no snowpack.
Very little rain, almost no snowpack.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
And we're all around here, those of us who are of that mindset are trying to think rain for five minutes, every hour, hoping against hope that we get a little aid from this.
We've got about four or five fires going.
We've got one that's in an old coal seam.
We've got places in the mountains where they have been coal mining in the past.
And previously, fires have started in these coal mines, and they continue to burn year-round, year after year.
And there's one near, oh gosh, it's the hot springs right there as you turn off of I-70 headed for Aspen.
And there's been a coal fire that's been burning up in there for years.
And it finally, you know, it was so dry it just got rekindled by that very old coal fire.
And, you know, I, just from my limited perspective here in Colorado, although I've been following global warming since I was young, since I was 14 years old, I, you know, kind of jumped on to that whole issue.
But I can say just right here in Colorado that definitely the weather has changed, that the winters have become more mild and that the summers have gotten hotter.
You know, back in 82, we had these great, these amazing snowstorms that would happen every once in a while, and you could count on at least a couple of snow days for school.
And the thing about it is I have watched the weather change not only in Colorado but across the country.
There's been events that have been anomalous.
And the thing that blows my mind with these wildfires, especially right now when they're so close to home, is not so much that the weather is changing, but how vacuous it is in the media.
That it's almost a taboo word to say global warming.
I called into a radio show, and I talked about some of this, and the host almost acted offended that I brought this up.
Look, the odds are talk radio is dominated by conservative ideology, a lot of it very strong.
And it tends to follow the party line, which basically is that there is no global warming.
And the reason they have that line is because it's the money interest.
And if there is global warming, it's going to mean that we have to do things that would change the way conservatives think of the economy.
Do you follow me?
So it's like you're stabbing them in the heart when you say that.
Because that's why you get that reaction, you see.
unidentified
Well, I mean, if they have such a stranglehold over the media, which is scary to think that, I would hope that there would at least be some infusion of ideas that would be counter to that that would be a matter of fact.
There are more and more stories now by all kinds of mainstream scientists who, you know, eventually these political folk who are taking a certain stand, based not on scientific knowledge but on political ideology, they're going to have to look out and say, well, gee, look at that.
It has changed.
They'll still be arguing.
And it doesn't matter to me whether it's a natural thing or with the hand of man or both.
Probably both.
It's happening, and we need to adjust to it.
unidentified
Well, the lack of discussion is almost becoming laughable to me.
You have literally, it's almost as bad as you have the house on fire and people are out on the patio playing.
There's politics and then there's reality and the truth.
And the two are not always the same.
In fact, the two almost always are in opposition.
Particularly with the truth part.
Eventually the science will become overwhelming.
It's on its way there now, rapidly.
It is overwhelming.
It's the truth.
I mean, everybody can see it.
But who cares to look at the changes that are going on?
The droughts, the incredible changes in our weather.
So, you know, this caller's central point is dead on.
The lack of any public discussion about this is astounding.
Now, on this only slightly positive side, there are a lot of mainstream articles starting to hit the presses that are giving some pretty dire warnings.
But it hasn't caught up to mainstream discussion yet, and that's pretty much because of the politics.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Oh?
Hello?
Hi, my name's Chuck.
unidentified
I'm calling right now from Colorado Springs, Colorado, but I live in Denver, and I can give you kind of an update on where the fire is and what's going on here.
There's a haze that goes all the way up and down the Front Range right now that is prevalent everywhere from Colorado Springs up north past Denver and probably into Boulder.
Wow.
And some good news is the fire has slowed down a bit.
And I mean, planes and helicopters were having to fly around because they couldn't fly through it.
The heat from the fire and all of that smoke coming into Denver on Sunday, Sunday afternoon, was actually causing small thunderstorms in Littleton and Inglewood, just south of Denver.
Right now, it's actually, well, as of 10 o'clock tonight when the news was on, it was actually raining up in Woodland Park at the site of the Heyman fire.
And that's a little bit of good news for the people up there fighting it.
All the thunderstorms we have coming through are at nighttime, and the winds have died down, and there's a little bit of moisture in the air, so that's got to be helping them.
But tomorrow they're predicting high westerly winds, which is going to pretty much push the fire straight east.
And people don't understand how much the snowpack means.
unidentified
Well, you know, water from Colorado and from the rest of the Rocky Mountains basically gives water to the rest of the western half of the United States.
So we're looking at having a real bad season still.
The Heyman fire did hit what was the site of another fire last year, the year before, I believe, and that has actually slowed it down because there's not really much to burn on one side of it.
So they're able to concentrate their efforts where they need to.
But from what I've heard right now, they're just looking at trying to protect individual structures.
They're not trying to stop the fire at all.
They're just trying to get it to go around buildings and homes.
We all live in, in other words, believe it or not, climate affects almost everything you do.
It affects water availability.
It affects agriculture.
It affects almost every single aspect of life.
And if there becomes a permanent change or an accelerated change, it's not going to be the end of the world, just like that fellow said, but it's going to mean that different areas are going to become different things.
And I suppose the southernmost parts of the U.S., which are perhaps semi-tropical now, will become tropical.
I don't know.
I'm just guessing that everything sort of moves north.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Lord.
Yes, sir.
unidentified
This is Chuck in Dolores, Colorado, Southwest Colorado, Four Corners area.
The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up to tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
To lie in my love and feeling my singing.
All these things in our memories so long And they used them to come Oh, God!
Right, right like this song Take this place on this ship Just for me Oh, God!
Take a big rock Take my eyes Up I see It's all green I was asleep for years Sweat so hard just to remove my feet Don't do it my life Before I am But by now I know I should have gone Wanna take a ride?
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We have had endless requests for a program on Planet X, note program on Planet X, and so it shall be.
And comes now Nancy Leder.
Nancy Leder is a computer professional who left the West Coast in 1999 to move to the Midwest.
She claims to be an enhanced contactee.
We'll ask about that.
Enhanced.
Who can speak telepathically with aliens from Zeta reticuli?
Nancy says the Zetas have revealed to her information about life on other worlds, the E.T. origins of the human species, the Zeta human hybrid breeding program, its reasons and methods, political science of the cosmos, who is who,
the rules of engagement, protocols, the Council of Worlds, time travel, the nature of alien visitation and human recall of the events, contact techniques, origins of the pyramids and sphinx, the Niberens, I guess that's what they are.
Those from Nibiru, right?
Niberens.
From the 12th planet, also known as Planet X, and its imminent return and much more.
Nancy wrote Zeta Talk after awakening late in life to her contactee status.
She's also the web mistress of two websites, Troubled Times and Zeta Talk.
Nancy's mission is to educate the public on the coming Earth changes and what to do about them.
Yes, it brings a lot of pieces of the puzzle together.
I hear that every day on email.
People have said they look at the weather changes and maybe they've had some subconscious knowledge, some dreams.
They've been listening to the buzz out on the news.
You know, what kind of explanations they're getting.
They feel uneasy.
It's not coming together.
They get to Zeta talk and the pieces come together.
Basically, our Earth has a history of periodic cataclysms, of wandering poles, frozen mastodons found up in the Arctic Circle, and they've got green grass in their tummies.
None of this seems to make sense.
You know, the scientists don't have an explanation.
And we've had such rapid changes since 1995 in the weather.
And the poles are melting.
Antarctica is falling off in chunks and floating away as ice cubes.
Not the fact that it's happening, but the fact that everyone seems so nonchalant about it.
We're hearing about everything else in the news, and that's actually a symptom of something real.
For instance, back in, was it March of 97, there was a mass sighting of a mothership in Arizona.
And both USA Today, and I think it was Fox News or CNN, a couple of different news media chains reported it three months later, and sort of almost on the same date, three months later.
And if you have that person putting certain people into positions where they're editorial and giving them the word on what can and cannot get on the news, then you've got it top down, yes.
Well, then, think about the Phoenix lights for a minute.
Do you suppose whoever it is who controls all this was like sitting around some big room one day and they decided, well, you know, time for a mass sighting story.
Let's pick up on that Phoenix thing that happened and roll with that tomorrow.
Well, I've known them for a long, long time, and I'm sure, I don't know if you believe in reincarnation or not, but I'm sure that I knew before I was born that I was to have this role potentially.
The Zetas have said that 19 out of 20 contactees who have volunteered to do a service actually come through and make it.
Because the first time that I was encountered in this body, I was a little girl of about eight years old, and I met them down in the woods, and they were just the little ones.
The Zetav come in various, they had actually about 127 different varieties of them.
And this was the little ones about three and a half feet tall, and they leaned out behind the trees and like deer or rabbits that you might encounter in the woods.
And they kept saying to me, well, telepathically, they kept communicating, which is how they communicate to contactees, do you know why we're here?
When you have a suppressed memory and you're recalling it, actually, the way it works is during visitations, they record this in your subconscious.
They turn off your conscious.
We have two different brains.
Normally, you and I are recording in both.
The subconscious, even though it's given a bad name by the psychological field, is where everything is recorded and nothing is forgotten.
The conscious is where we play games.
We selectively remember what we want to, and we change the facts.
So you record it in your subconscious, and you turn off, it's a chemical switch that they do to people.
I'm not sure how it's done exactly, but you don't consciously remember.
So when you're recalling, sometimes that starts out with dreams, a dream state, or you meditate or you can be hypnotized, you get very relaxed, and your subconscious is given the stage.
You are actually recording the memory for the first time in your conscious.
There is a difference between daydreams and things that you imagine and the recall of actual memory.
Well, from 1995 when I started to consciously recall, and this actually happened after 1995, it was kind of getting ready for the communication role.
And Zeta Talk has actually been more successful than anyone anticipated.
And when it started to really take off in 1995, I was given a lot of experiences that I hadn't been given previously to stock me up, you know.
So this was a way of describing their life, you know, how they're living on the face of the earth while they're talking to people.
So I was taken there and shown.
This was like little houses that they had built inside of a cavern along the side, so like adobe, you know, and there's spas, green things hanging and growing.
They say they listen to music while they float and renew themselves, and they listen to the vibrations coming through the water and the like.
You know, people say, well, they've come to eat us or take us over or whatever.
They're here on a very few life forms or spirits that have evolved to a higher, you know, level and that are intelligent enough to be able to do space travel go out and around.
Mostly they stay on their planet or in their societies and educate themselves and amuse themselves and learn how to socialize with each other or whatever.
This is one of those things where some people are going to sit out there and say she's crazy as a loon.
But then there's one other possibility, and that is, of course, that she is not.
And that this is accurate.
And by the way, Zeta Reticuli is about 39.5 light years from our sun.
39.5 light years.
So that would mean 39 and one half years at the speed of light to get here.
Presumably, they would travel faster than that.
They certainly are in a likely place for life.
There's no question about that.
Very likely place for life and a very possible distance to arrive here as well.
So the other possibility is that Nancy Leder is straight on.
And, you know, you've got to think that based on that possibility, well, the kind of answers she's going to have tonight on a lot of questions that we'd all like to know, that it's absolutely worth a listen.
So much ground to cover, so little time.
Nancy Leder of Zeta Talked is my guest.
Nancy, welcome back.
Hi.
You understand, don't you, Nancy, that some people, you know, are going to regard this as she's crazy as a loon, right?
It's actually much more common than we think because a lot of different worlds that we wouldn't even think could sustain life.
But mainly it's because the universe is immense.
And I've been introduced to various different life forms in what they call the life form orientation.
But only those life forms that were carbon-based, basically, that would not be poisoned by coming for a visit.
So there's life forms that they can't visit either, the Zetas.
So we started out with a hominoid lineup, and they were pretty weird.
One of them looked like a horned toad.
It was sort of like almost like a turtle's shell all over the body.
And then we moved to different life forms.
And most planets are water planets, the majority.
So they end up being something like an octopus or a fish or a jellyfish or whatever.
Then after that, you have some land-based, most land-based planets evolve reptilians.
In fact, we had on our planet Earth an intelligent reptile back in the days of the dinosaur.
Not the biggies, but a smaller version.
And they're frequently reused.
Worlds are life-bearing worlds.
Very few are insect forms.
I met one.
It was one of my most difficult experiences because it looked like a giant cockroach as big as me standing up.
I had a rough time with that.
But they get even weirder than that.
I mean, there was one that was like a huge amoeba, like a rug on the floor, and it moved like pea green and curled around my ankles, and then I could communicate with it.
But the one that caused me to faint was Beanbag Man.
Before Around the time of Roswell, 1950 or so, in fact, contacts were in the conscious of people.
That's why in India there's a book called The Vedas that describes all these strange, those are real descriptions of aliens.
Or in the past, they might have called them fairies in the woods or whatever, gnomes.
Basically, it's the people of the earth.
They believe in there is an administrative ruling of the universe.
It's not just ad hoc.
Anyone can come and do a mass landing and take over the planet.
There are rules.
There is a police force.
We're considered a kindergarten.
So the people that run the universe, every vote counts.
It is not a hierarchy.
You don't get a representative.
You don't get a president or a CEO who dictates.
You don't get bribery going on.
And so therefore, they're reaching out to the true populace.
The governments are assumed to be run, and quite often are, people who want to be in control, who want to have a lot of money, who don't necessarily have our interests at heart.
And they would use...
Oh, well, they definitely contacted our government, which is why MJ-12, which was very real, I can tell you many experiences I had with MJ-12.
The reason it developed was just we're due for a transformation.
During the coming earth changes, there is going to be a large die-off of the population of the world, and we are going to move into what Jesus described as the thousand years of peace when he's going to return.
Well, this is an analogy to say the good people are going to come.
You know, it's going to be a home for good people.
So there was a vote, which everyone pretty much knew which way it would go, as to whether the earth should be a reform school for the bad guy or one of these very pleasant places which 95% of worlds become.
And of course, we chose that route because the people on earth are generally good-hearted folk and care about each other.
Yes, it's described as polarization on the increase.
The bad guys that are going to be hauled off to reform school, and there's a certain number of bad aliens that can come.
The rules are that human controls contact and communication with aliens.
If you have a bad guy saying he wants to murder his neighbor or run off with his neighbor's wife, he's going to get a visit from a bad guy advising him how to do that.
They're trying to get recruits to go with them to their worlds and basically recruiting foot soldiers so they can be generals and the like.
And there's a polarization.
They don't want to let go.
And also there's a moving to different camps.
You have parts of the world like Scandinavia is becoming more and more socially democratic and the like.
And you look at Africa and there seems to be some horrific practices of slavery and chopping off hands and misuse of people.
So there's a polarization everywhere in governments.
You can see it in our Democratic and Republican parties.
I won't give away my political orientation, but there's the ultra-righters, you know, the hard-hitters, and there's people who say, what about national health insurance?
But you're saying that ultimately, at a reincarnated soul level, there has been essentially a vote or a tally taken, and that we're headed to be eventually a good planet.
But sometime between now and then, a lot's going to happen?
Yes, we've been genetically engineered, which is one reason we have this weird brain structure where we have the conscious and subconscious and the like.
The missing link, nobody can find the missing link.
Well, it's either on the dark side of the moon or on some desert, a little island somewhere that even might even be under the waves at the current time.
But the Zetas have said that the Nibiruans, who were actually at least 50% larger and stronger than us, because their planet is 23 times the mass, and therefore the surface gravity pressure is about 1.6 or something like that.
Yeah, actually, whenever the time for genetic engineering comes, the various groups, and there's many, many of them, talk about who should be in charge of it.
And actually, the reason we have a split brain, conscious and subconscious, is because the engineers at that time were reptilian.
And they wanted to pass forward our, you know, sometimes we're told we have a reptilian brain.
During this transformation time, it's not just that they're hauling the bad guys off to reform school, et cetera, but we're also going to be reincarnating into hybrid bodies with 400 IQs, and we will be eating.
We will have the capacity to breathe in a bellows manner.
We will have sex.
We'll have big heads, big eyes, and we'll live very high-tech.
It's one of those things, as I said at the beginning, where you've either believe she's crazy as a loon.
She doesn't sound that way, does she?
She sounds, other than the telephone trouble, rather well organized in my mind, or the other possibility is that she is really doing, I'm dialing now, as she said, everything is as she said, which means that you should listen because she might be right.
Well, they've said that it's actually not the speed of light that is a limiting factor.
And they've described magnetism and gravity as a particle flow, which is something I guess our human scientists are thinking about, the graviton and the like.
There's actually two phases to gravity.
One is the gravity pull, and the second is what they call a repulsion force.
In essence, gravity is the particles floating into a body like the Earth.
And then when there's pressure buildup, it shoots out like laser blasts, a huge amount of gravity particles, and it cuts right through our atoms and the like.
It doesn't affect anything.
It just passes so quickly out.
Then it disperses kind of like a firecracker and floats slowly back down.
It's the floating back down that presses us toward the Earth's surface.
What they do when they do time long-distance travel is they turn off the repulsion force of gravity and only use the attraction force.
And it also is in line with what a guest the other night who claims to have worked at Area 51 exactly had to say about The manner in which gravity is manipulated.
At any rate, they're able to travel great distances in very short times?
Yes, and I have actually gone off the planet elsewhere in the universe with my children.
This is how I knew that MJ-12 existed years and years ago because before we could get on this large spaceship that was going to take us off the surface of the planet, I had some people approaching with the Vetas, and I said, good heavens, they look like humans.
And they had light tan uniforms, no insignia, and they were sort of apologetic and said they were told I would understand.
And they just escorted me to the ship.
And my son described it as something like customs, that they had to sign in and out, you know, with humans, MJ-12, if they took us off the face of the planet.
I want to ask, we have to ask before it gets too late about this Planet X. I've had thousands of requests to do shows on what's called Planet X, or some call it Nibaru.
It's called Many Things.
And, you know, I thought...
And then ABC came out with this story recently that they have spotted something out there out way past the last planet that could be a burned-out sun or some large planetary body.
And they're actually sensing and seeing something out there.
And so that gives it sort of a little bit of credibility.
And when I saw that ABC story, I went, holy smokes, you know, what if they're right?
And a lot of others, actually, we're being led to an understanding by the media and the scientists.
NASA knows where it is, and they discovered it, the exact location in 1983 when they sent up an infrared balloon above the atmosphere or way high in the atmosphere to peer out.
And they've been monitoring it ever since.
Our observatories are pretty well controlled, but in fact, the Zetas, my Zetas, have given the path of the way, if you view from Earth where you're going to find this getting ready to make a passage through the solar system, as you've had Sitchin on, it makes this weird elliptical orbit and comes zooming through every 3,600 years or so.
Well, the coordinates are on the Troubled Times website.
And if you go to my website, zeta talk.com, right under the image of the Zeta face where it says Zeta Talk, there's a setup that has several hot buttons.
It says Planet X sightings.
Click on that, and you'll go there.
And one of the things that you can find is the coordinates page where they give every six weeks or so they renew this.
So in early 2001, we had teams of people that decided to go out and look.
And somebody in France, in the New Shuttle Observatory, cited it.
They were very excited.
They said it's either a comet or a brown dwarf about to go phoof, you know, about to and it was very, very close, almost right on to the zeta coordinates.
Then somebody in Vancouver, Steve Hobbes, also found it and cited it.
It was like a dim blob, and the people in the observatory that were assisting the public said, oh, look at that, you know, and it wasn't on the star charts.
And then somebody went to Flagstaff.
Now, after the first sighting in France, there was resistance in Flagstaff in Vancouver in that they had like scaffolding so you couldn't point the main telescope in that direction.
And you know, you can read all about this if you go to the web page because there's letters describing the resistance and the stalling they got.
But in Vancouver, Steve actually got an admission from the head guy there that they know it and they watch it and they know where it is and they watch it, but they're not allowed to talk about it.
It's going to come between the Earth and the Sun, approximately 14 million miles away, and it causes a pole shift because this planet is a very large magnet like our world is.
And it comes up from the south.
It dips down to a 32-degree angle.
It comes up from the south.
And its north pole is approaching our south pole.
But as it passes, it drags our south pole with its north pole, tipping our globe in space such that we have a pole shift.
And the Zetas are predicting with great detail how this will happen and what this will mean.
A lot of flood tides, very heavy earthquakes worldwide.
The bulge off Brazil in the ocean will become the new North Pole and India the new South Pole.
And the Pacific will greatly shorten.
The Atlantic will greatly widen.
And the people along the coast are going to be flooded.
You have to be 100 miles inland and a couple of hundred feet above sea level to avoid flood tide sloshing.
If you move a bowl of soup quickly in the air, the soup stays where it is and the bowl moves.
In other words, water resists motion because it can.
All the volcanoes explode, 25 years of gloom after that.
This does not mean the end of mankind by any means.
Well, actually, not everybody dies off in that change, but a lot of people just kind of give up and get depressed and sit around or have injuries or get sick, allow themselves to get sick.
You see, you know, in a lot of ways, I, you know, I enjoy people like you, Nancy, but, you know, you take, you really, your cup of water is more than half full.
I mean, you're very upbeat, but to suggest, you know, I mean, to skip by the fact that 90% will die, that's a...
But the little guy without any money actually survives better than the wealthy.
All you have to do is dig a trench, lay down in it, and maybe a sod-covered board or a metal piece of tin, and you won't be affected by the earthquakes personally.
Your possessions might be dashed to pieces, or the hurricane winds either, which tend to just roll across anything flat.
Tornadoes do too.
They just go across anything flat.
So Troubled Times and the Zeta Talk site, you can get to Troubled Times from the Zeta Talk site.
I have pieced together what's called a safe locations document, which you can download as a PDF.
There's also a website if you can't deal with Adobe PDF, Adobe Reader.
And the Zetas have responded to requests from people about how safe their location is and what to be concerned about.
Zeta Reticula, the aliens there that have contacted her, a vast experience with these aliens, and now Planet X and what they've had to say about Planet X. And this is such important material that I'm to just overlook the crackles we're getting.
We're going to try one more connection, one more line.
It's downstairs in her house here in a moment.
While you're listening to our little commercial break, we're going to see what we can get.
Let's try to play it by ear because it's really important information.
So stay right there.
Once again, at yet another location in the house, here is Nancy Leader.
Just like the sun rises, the powers that be, this is actually a schoolhouse for us.
We're not going to be rescued from this because we're not rescued from starvation and cancer and brutality today.
If you wanted to evolve a bunch of kindergartners and find out what they're made of and let them arrive where they're going to go, you might put them in a room and just kind of let it slug it out.
You know, after a while, you've got certain groups cooperating and caring for each other, and then there's the bully.
Is that everybody a boy?
Absolutely.
So that's what we're doing here.
It's a self-learning schoolhouse.
We're not to be excused from trials and tribulations because that's one of the fastest learning curves.
The goal is not a pleasant life and a beautiful life, but a spirit that has substance, a soul that has substance.
This January, there was two images made in infrared.
One of them, and the interesting thing is, last November, the Zetas said the coordinates are going to change because, you know, between the 5th of January and the 19th, they're going to, like, drop in declination, but not really change in right angle.
That's raw and dick, which is X and Y for astronomers, or maybe it's Y and X. Anyway, the one taken on the 5th was taken by a guy who lives somewhere in the southeast U.S. who calls himself OpenMinded.
We don't know who he is.
And he provided this graphic, and he said, okay, Nancy, where is it?
That was the subject line in the SciAstro Usenet.
The Zetas had me draw a red circle, and it said it's within that red circle.
So people did contrast and brightness changes, and here's this round blob coming out.
And then on the 19th, of course, everybody's saying it's noise.
All right, well, if this really exists, surely the Hubble, you know, if they wanted to point the Hubble where you told them to point it or others have told them to point it, couldn't the Hubble find this rather easily?
I've got something on my website, STS909UFO on NASA Select TV.
And the striking thing about this is, frankly, it looks like a piece of space junk to me.
But here's this ongoing feed from NASA.
And you can tell, you know, the camera on the shuttle focuses on this, whatever in the hell it is, tumbling in space.
And you can tell that the guy doing the narration, who's talking about some spacewalk they're about to do or some function they're about to do, you can tell the guy is beginning to freak out.
You know, his voice is beginning to change because he's seeing this on the screen.
And then about 20 seconds later, you suddenly, the feed disappears and you go back to the typical shot of the control room.
And when they finally go back to it again, no more shot of this tumbling or whatever in the hell it is, and they're all of a sudden back to work.
Here comes France taking an infrared shot on the 19th, and the blob is no longer where it was on the 5th.
It's moved down to a new place.
In declination, it moved, but not in right angle.
Now, on the 5th, where it is on the 19th, there's nothing there.
On the 19th, where it was on the 5th, it's not there.
And the guy in France on the 19th got the original camera FITS file, which we've made available to the world.
Interesting thing, when that broke the news in February, because they waited until they had all this information well in hand, and we had many copies around the globe, right?
Before we went forward with this announcement, a young astrophysics student was allowed to use the infrared equipment in Haute-Provence Observatory, and they weren't watching him.
They thought, well, he's just a kid, he's just a student.
And he took this terrific recording.
And our French translator, Veronique, is a space mechanic and understands this.
Anyway, NASA took away their NEAT.
The NEAT program is looking for asteroids.
It's the near-Earth asteroid and the dark objects in our solar system.
The image of that part of the sky most recently taken, I think it was last December, disappeared from their website, or what they had out there was a poor doctoring.
They were doctoring in the blob that was there on the 19th.
And Steve Hobbeson of Vancouver caught them at this.
But anyway, the bottom line is, it wasn't there on the 5th.
If this object, whatever it is, Planet X, we'll call it, is coming our way, there is going to come a time when nobody can deny it anymore, much as they would want to, like a comet seen in the night sky.
As it grows in intensity, as it gets closer, seven weeks before the passage, you and I, without a telescope, will be able to go in our backyards, assuming that our night sky is pointed in the right direction.
Now, in 1983, in early 1980s, when they were going out looking for it, and they were frankly looking for it because the Zetas had told MJ-12 about it, where it was, what it was.
Then Flandern said it was five times as big as the Earth.
I suppose he was talking diameter.
But the Zetas has said it's four times the diameter of Earth, but 23 times the mass.
And in 1983, when they found it, when the infrared team, I-R-A-S team, found it, it hit the Washington Post front-page article that's on December 31st of 83, Planet X. And they said that we don't know if it's...
I want to put as much cold water on that as I can.
Well, how can he say it's not inbound if he doesn't know what it is?
I advise, you know, I've had young parents, or I mean, parents have young children, and the first reaction is, well, let's just go out with the first wave.
Well, you know, drowning is not painful.
If you're fighting it, it's anxious, but if it's not painful.
And that was their first thought.
I and the kids were just drowned, you know, and then they changed their mind, and now they've learned what edible weeds are.
I've seen a young mother walk around and feed her children lunch from the weeds at hand and gone on the Tom Brown survival camping trip, learning how to get along in the woods, you know, and be comfortable with that, fishing.
Actually, it's kind of fun to some extent, being challenged and finding that you can meet a challenge.
And I speak from experience because I had a total paralysis when I was 23.
It was a type of polio.
And I couldn't lift a finger.
And when I finally started getting my abilities back, I had to be very innovative and very resourceful.
And I tell you, I had a lot more confidence about life after that because I found I could meet the challenge.
I was creative.
It's not necessarily a bad time.
There's a lot of things wrong with the way we live on earth.
And the Zaydis have said there's going to be a lot of partying, you know, because not only can you see it seven weeks before the shift, but a week before rotation of the earth stops.
And people say, oh, that, but folklore reports that, the long day that Joshua said the sun stood still in the sky.
And Villikowski did a study and said, well, then on the other side of the world, well, the West Coast Indians report the long night when there was a lot of hurricane force winds and huge waves and yada yada.
The oceans continue to, and the atmosphere continues to circulate, so the temperature change is not that extreme.
But if the rotation stops within a day, and it does so because this big magnet coming up from the south grips the Atlantic Rift, which is highly magnetized, a lot of iron ore, most recently ripped, most recent amount of, and it holds it.
And then it grabs the bulge of Brazil and whoops up to the North Pole, et cetera.
That happens in an hour.
And you can actually tell that because the stars would start jiggling and things would start to move rapidly.
That's when you lay down in your trench.
And Hurricane Forrest winds and Richter nine earthquakes worldwide.
Richter is based on scope.
So when they say Richter 15, they mean the whole, every plate in the world.
And you would have a sort of a society of warlords.
And all of history, unless there's divine intervention, would suggest there would be fiefdoms and kingdoms and dictators and sort of a mad max world, and that those people, those violent people, would rule for at least a time unless there was some sort of great intervention.
The intervention is that the bad souls will not incarnate back, but the good souls will, and also the hybrids that are being genetically engineered and living elsewhere will set up communities.
And they have said that, in fact, some good-hearted people will say, well, we've got these new neighbors, and they look kind of weird.
They're bald.
They don't really speak.
But they gave me this nifty battery that just doesn't seem to run out.
But, you know, they said that in times of trouble like this, where your whole world literally turns upside down, you're not going to start worrying about, you're not going to get anxious about, you know, about weird-looking neighbors.
And so there's going to be an inflooding of all the good-hearted people.
There's as many spirits and other life forms in attendance here that are almost entirely good-hearted as there are incarnating souls on earth.
The devil was actually a life form that had very hot skin, and he was in attendance by three little people who held spikes, and that's why they have this three-prong fork thing associated with him.
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Boy, you know, it's really interesting to think about in a lot of ways.
Mark from Phoenix, Arizona says a psychic named Ruth Montgomery, oh, I know her well, predicted that the number of survivors after the pole shift would number only in the millions, which I imagine would be about 10% of the population, now 6 billion.
That could easily be so.
You know, it's interesting to think about if all of this should be true.
If Planet X is getting ready to make its swing back as early as a year.
That's not very long, huh?
So it provokes, it brings on many changes, as the song from MASH said.
The theme from MASH, remember that?
Many changes.
And you can take or leave them as you please, but not here.
So it'll be an interesting human study.
It certainly would be interesting to live through.
And so I guess in a way I'm saying that when it got really right down to it, despite what I might say now, sort of half-joking, I think I'd try to be one of the survivors.
I'm just that type A. I would dig a hole.
You know, I'd dig a hole.
How about you?
We're about to go to the phones with Nancy Leader.
And I'm sure you've got a lot of questions about Planet X. I sure do.
And the Zeta reticulans, I'm not exactly sure the way that should be said.
How often do people report three, there were three aliens that visited me?
Why the three?
Because three breaks a tie.
If you have a difference of opinion between two, the third weighs in and breaks the tie.
And when they're out and about in the universe, far away from anybody else, like they can't go in front of a panel or, you know, get some guidelines, and they encounter a new situation, they say, well, what should we do with this?
Well, okay, you have so much detail, Nancy, that if you were to encounter another abductee, wouldn't you be able to tell relatively quickly if they were on the level?
I've got a friend up in Montana who is just one of those amateur astronomers who believes he claims he has found Planet X. But some people are also claiming that it could be a black comet.
One of those kind of comets that doesn't even, that you can't see the trail or anything like that.
But is it possible that this Planet X might be actually heading our way since it is getting bigger?
And in early 2001, it was visible at an observatory.
They magnify what you're looking at.
And they also are usually located and have scopes that try to avoid light pollution and the like.
And so therefore, before that, if you went to an observatory, you couldn't see it, which is why in 1983 they had to loft an infrared balloon above the atmosphere.
And this year, we're able to image it in infrared, and you can also go and look at it, but you still needed an observatory in January.
By August, September, et cetera, you should be able to see it in an amateur scope.
If he's looking at it now, whatever he's looking at, he's not seeing what the Zetas are pointing to as Planet X because it's in the sun, meaning you have to look at it during the day, past the sun, not in the night sky.
So that's a clue.
I always say to people, what is the raw index?
I mean, where are you looking?
And if it doesn't compare to the X and Y in the sky that the Zetas are pointing to, then that's not what they're looking at.
Hey, Nancy, if it got down to weeks or months, assuming we might have months notification because of all the astronomers who couldn't keep it secret anymore if this thing is really coming, I mean, at some point it's going to be obvious.
So is partying down rational or irrational from your point of view?
Oh, as a personal point of view, I guess if I felt that I didn't have people depending on me and I couldn't help other people and that my life was going to be a misery, partying down and just going out with it would be not an unreasonable approach to take.
A lot of people would do that, though, just because they don't know what else to do.
And the Zetas have said they feel people should have a choice.
In particular, they've said it's not so much rational or irrational as maybe irresponsible.
If you know this is coming and you have a skill set and can help other people, it's almost like, what about the little orphans?
Think of all the children whose parents are going to die.
Imagine this toddler standing over a dead mother and father, broken arm, crying, and here's a hungry dog pack circling it.
I mean, it's just heart-wrenching.
So if you can help in that situation, you should.
A lot of people have written me and said, well, you know, I need kidney dialysis.
In any disaster, catastrophic situation, oh my, that's the only way.
And you can prove that because when hurricanes come in and all communication ceases, phone lines go down, satellite hookups are useless, all the modern community, the internet's everything's down.
There is one communication getting through, and that's ham operators and shortwave, and that's it.
And the Zetas have said, talk about divine intervention, where if you don't have hilltop-to-hilltop kind of antenna bouncing, you're going to say, oh, for some reason I'm talking to somebody in Europe or China, and I don't know how that happened, but you're going to get help.
I have a brief comment for your guest, and then I have a question.
First of all, there is no evidence to sustain that this planet has ever entered the solar system and any damage has been done because of it in past history.
If you go back 3,657 years, 3,657 before that, and on and on and on.
My point is, if it was going to happen now, it would have happened before.
Now, what you should remember is a record-keeping goes to heck during these times.
You don't have, but we do have a record.
The last passage was the Jewish Exodus, estimated to be 1,628 years before Christ, which is, you know, but it's an estimate because the Egyptian census taking just everything went to heck.
What exactly discombobulated the Egyptians so badly that all the Jews, their slaves, left, the lame, the little old ladies, and what caused the Red Sea to heave so that the floor moved up?
You know, and they had the red blood of, or the blood-red appearance of the rivers and the like?
If you know about this and our government is aware, then what are their plans?
I mean, here we are proceeding with these trivial pursuits of killing Taliban and grieving about the attack on America and what may yet come and worried about that and all the rest.
I mean, trivial compared to what you're talking about.
If a planet or a body of whatever it is is going to come this close and kill nine out of ten people, I'd say that's right on up there.
And the government by now certainly knows about it if Nancy leader does.
And the problem with even the rich hiring a militia, a private militia, and saying, well, we've got our encave and we have enough food to last for 50 years.
And what do you suppose these mercenaries are going to do as soon as they realize they can't be called to account?
And the rich and the powerful and their enclaves are going to be the worst off in this regard because the mercenaries are going to turn the tables and just take over.
Can you imagine Monsanto being the wardlord or people like that saying, well, you can't grow your crops, but if you come and work for us as serfs, then we'll give you seed that works.
I mean, it might be, even in today's economy, it might be economically advantageous to have the Terminator thing in there so that every season for, you know, Planet X or not, you've got to go back and buy a new seed.
I'd like to know if either you or your guests have heard of the Residency, which is a great big boat which has been built for rich people, very, very luxurious.
And if hopefully Mr. Bell or your guests have an idea to go there, because I know all your fans, if we don't survive, we sure would like you to survive.
And the difference, the Zetas have explained, is that everything will heat up.
Right now we have a lot of El Ninos, and that comes from underneath Indonesia, where there's undersea volcanoes heating the ocean water.
So if you had all the plates moving and crashing into each other and the core of the world swirling, you know, because it's done this magnetic turn, all that heat rises up through the crust and the world becomes warmer.
And ocean water will swell when warm, and that makes the difference.
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Well, your comments, a lot of them, especially the comment regarding people changing from one existence to another.
You see, this here is what the Bible refers to, doctrines of demons.
Because if you reincarnate and go from one status to another, the same as they teach in Hindu and all the other religions, then you have absolutely no need for a Savior because the Savior come to save and seek the lost from death.
Yes, and it is difficult, especially when you're all religions of the world have a valid basis and violently disagree with each other.
The Zaydis have said that Jesus was indeed an Immaculate Conception and was from someplace else, a very service to other oriented, and so was Muhammad and so was Buddha, and thereafter their message got twisted.
So that what you have, for instance, in the Catholic Church with its difficulties today, rest in gold and the like, this is not as Jesus taught.
So there's a lot of changes in interpretations of the Bible and interpretations of the word of Jesus that is not what he intended.
And, well, first of all, whatever happened to Noah's promise that God gave him.
But second of all, there was something in the Bible stating that when you see things like this coming about, to head for the wilderness.
So what I'm trying to ask from you is, right now, the way the law is written, the U.S. government forbids citizens to use caves and maybe go into forests.
I just want your opinion about that.
And let me see if I can understand the question.
You think, so what you're telling me about the shift is that the North and South Pole will become our equators?
Indeed, this does represent a life form similarly to the dragons that are in folklore from China to Europe.
These were creatures that were brought down by service-to-self entities hoping to terrorize humans and thus increase their harvest of minions during this transformation period.
They preferred high perches.
They are not dissimilar from the chupacabras in South America.
They are not allowed to actually attack people, but to terrorize them.
They might be considered a dog pack of the evil minions from elsewhere in the universe Who hope to terrorize you into selfish thoughts and behavior resist this.
They die out because they are not native to the earth, as the dragons died out and were killed off.
Vampires are another such onslaught of mankind in the past.
We have this on Nancy's website and suggest you read this to get oriented.
This is an individual thing in the hands of man, as are nuclear facilities, like nuclear power plants.
There may be people that go and deactivate the power plant so there isn't any spewing and pollution.
Our nuke warheads, in fact, between America and Russia, we have far fewer than is being reported because there is a technique to deactivate.
I watched the Zetas present this to MJ-12 and they had a radioactive tub and the wand thing was passed over it, very radioactive, and then poured a chemical in there and then within seconds there was no radioactivity.
And they've given this U.S. I was going to say we could sure use that technology because they're getting ready to truck all this waste across the country to yunk a mountain in about 10 years or whatever it is.
Every life form, every species, every planet that has evolved souls has a small percentage that become bad guys.
And they have been around.
And there has been one or two that have visited Earth and given a bad impression.
MJ-12 started out being introduced to the bad guys.
And then the good guys, that was what the crash at Roswell was all about.
They were trying to say, by seeming hopeless and injured, to try to make the people come and talk to them more as an introduction.
The bad guys made a better first impression.
But eventually, MJ-12 understood there were two different kinds.
All you have to do as a human is say, no, get out of here.
I want nothing to do with you.
They can't affect you.
It's a psychological ploy.
So the grays, there's a section within the government or a section of the ufology people that say they're all evil.
Don't talk to them.
They're out to take you over.
They eat you.
They chop you up and throw you in vats.
And there's a terrible disinformation campaign.
If that were the case, then why haven't we been taken over?
Where's the mass landing?
It's not happening.
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I think you may have unwittingly become insightful on this because that's what I was going to ask is I'm getting the impression that you think of them as our benevolent space brothers, but I'd sure like to know what they make of what happened to Captain Thomas Mantel.
I mean, I think they had a hand in his demise.
I think they've had a hand in some other human deaths.
And so I really don't see that perhaps they're neutral, but I'm not getting the impression that they really care that much about us.
We're used to thinking of brown dwarfs as being huge, gaseous things because that's what we can see out there.
But actually, there's a variation across the spectrum as to just when something, quote, lights.
It exudes light through the rifts in its ocean.
It has an atmosphere, and it actually supports life.
Second, the orbit is outside of human astrophysics.
The humans say, oh, such an orbit can't exist.
Well, of course, every once in a while we're saying, whoops, humans were wrong.
We now know.
So the orbit is like a sling orbit.
It goes more like a railroad track, but past one of the suns that it orbits, and then it turns around and comes back, zoom, past that sun.
we have a binary sun, a dead sun that our Earth is a twin of, and they both are stationary in space, fixed there.
The dithering has stopped, no dance going on.
And this guy swings back and forth, and every 3,657 years, it makes a very rapid passage.
It picks up speed.
It comes zooming past our sun, goes about a quarter of the way past, and sits there for three years or so, then turns around and comes zooming back, and then sits between the two suns for almost all of its orbital period.