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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably for a very long way, just smoke.
		What's it like?
		What's it like in Denver?
		So when I take my first few calls here, I'm going to ask that everybody else hang up, please.
		Don't call.
		Yeah, we are having an hour of open lines here.
		But I want a few calls from Denver first.
		All lines.
		This applies to all telephone lines.
		All of them.
		First time caller, Wild Guard line, east of the Rockies, was to the Rockies, couldn't do it anyway.
		And the international line, all the lines are reserved just for people in the Denver area.
		So we can get some sense of what you're seeing there and feeling.
		And the man accused of plotting with al-Qaeda to detonate a dirty bomb inside the U.S. was a close protégé, apparently, of Osama bin Laden himself, traveling at his mentor's request, it says here, to meet with other terrorists and using the internet to research how to build a radioactive weapon.
		So apparently he got on the internet and just read how you do it.
		It's all on the internet.
		They've got how to build an atomic bomb up there.
		So I'm not real surprised to find out they were using and are using the internet probably to communicate and to find out how to make the bad stuff they need.
		In Israel, another bomber blew himself up.
		I was at a restaurant just north of Tel Aviv on Tuesday, killing one Israeli teenager, wounding eight other people.
		It's just another in the long series.
		A lot of people predicting that's what we can expect next are acts like this, homicide bombers.
		The astronauts wired up and bolted down a work platform Tuesday that will allow the International Space Station's 58-foot robot arm to roam across the orbiting outpost.
		An even more momentous event occurred later when the two Americans who moved out of the space station and into the space shuttle endeavor broke NASA's space endurance record.
		Let's see, that would be 188 days, a 188-day four-hour mark set by Shannon Lucid in 1996 aboard Russia's Mir space station.
		There you are.
		McCartney getting hitched.
		Paul McCartney got married.
		Heather Mills married today in a remote Irish castle.
		That sounds kind of neat, huh?
		While fans and journalists throng the gates for a glimpse of the ex-Beatle and his new bride.
		The stock market, stock market, did you see today's figures down what?
		About 128 points for the Dow and about another 33.51 for the NASDAQ, bringing the Dow to 95.17.
		NASDAQ down to 1497.
		So the economy, boy, the economy, it's not doing very well at all, is it?
		Listen, I've got a UFO photograph for you on the website.
		It's up there right now, and it comes from this person who writes, longtime listener to the show, never been a caller yet, as I never had much to contribute until now.
		This past Sunday, the attached photo was taken not knowing that the object in the sky was there.
		Right after the photo was taken, I mean, just seconds after it was snapped, everybody turned around.
		This lady in the background, who's pointing at the UFO, started yelling hysterically.
		She kept saying, did you see it?
		Did you see it?
		What the hell was that?
		But everyone thought she was nuts because none of us saw anything.
		No one even bothered to ask her what she saw.
		We all thought she was just some sort of lunatic.
		Well, today my friend emailed me the picture that he took of us, and I thought my heart was going to jump out of my chest.
		It was pounding so hard.
		There behind me is a woman who is yelling.
		She's pointing up to the sky, and there's what appears to be a saucer-shaped UFO right where she's pointing to.
		And boy, is he right about that?
		It absolutely is or appears to be a flying saucer.
		And I must say, a pretty good one at that.
unidentified		So take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There it is.
		And you can tell it's moving very quickly.
		And let me tell you a little more about this photograph, all right?
		He hopes it'll be posted on the website.
		He says, none of us really want to give out our full names at this time.
		We printed all this up on the website.
		We have never done anything like this before and don't want our names all over the papers or anything and have no idea what other harm could come from this.
		So for now, is it okay for us to remain semi-anonymous?
		Well, we thought, of course it's okay.
		You know, see, in the picture he sent us, he didn't eliminate the faces in the picture.
		And we thought, well, you know, how do we know we have permission to put everybody's photograph up there?
		So we blotted out the picture of the young lady.
		He didn't do that.
		We did.
		But quite clearly, above her and beside a phone pole, giving it some distance, appears to be a saucer moving quite quickly for whatever shutter speed he was using.
		Who knows?
		Appears to me moving quite quickly, and it certainly does seem to be a flying saucer.
		That's all you could call this flying saucer.
		So if you want to see it, it's up there right now at artbell.com.
		Go to artbell.com, my website, under what's new, Paul's UFO.
		We've also got some pictures of the solar eclipse as it occurred the other day.
		Some really cool pictures, actually, Of the solar eclipse.
		Really neat stuff.
		Boy, people are getting really good with cameras.
		You know it.
		I've got some more news on that smallpox story.
		You remember the smallpox story from last night?
		Seems so unbelievable, right?
		What are they talking about, smallpox?
		Smallpox was supposed to be eradicated in the entire world, right?
		But could there be smallpox in Pakistan?
		Well, in a moment, more.
		Well, last night, we heard about the possibility of smallpox in Pakistan.
		Now, we're talking Captain Tripp stuff here, folks.
		Smallpox was thought to be completely eradicated from the human race with only a few samples on hand at the CDC or wherever they keep this kind of thing.
		And they were even in great debate about whether to destroy them or not.
		Well, well, well, well, listen to this.
		Pakistan's major English language daily newspaper has reported what it calls a, quote, smallpox epidemic, end quote, that is rapidly spreading in the Pakistani province of Swabi, SWABI, a development that, if true, raises grave concerns about global health and bioterrorism.
		Neither the Centers for Disease Control nor the World Health Organization has confirmed or denied the loan report, although the highly communicable and fatal disease was indeed officially eradicated from the world in 1977.
		In recent months, the threat of a smallpox bioterror attack has raised new questions about who might have access to the virus, how it could be used as a deadly weapon against large population bases.
		According to the Pakistan Dawn story, quote, a large number of children have suffered from smallpox, but the authorities concerned have failed to take any action to prevent this disease or immunize the people against it.
		The story adds, a health official said that the dilemma of the people was that they were not aware of the danger aspects of this ailment as the children suffering from it have neither been kept in isolation nor properly treated.
		When contacted by WorldNet Daily, the Don Bureau chief at Peshawar said he stands by the story.
		He said, I assume it is correct.
		This is the first major story on this disease.
		He said, to his knowledge, no other media organization has yet picked it up.
		You're the first to call about it, he said.
		The story also appeared in the paper's hard copy version in Pakistan.
		Bond says no government officials have contacted the paper to dispute the story, and the reporter had, in fact, spoken to an official from the government's health department.
		Rebecca Harding, rather, of the World Health Organization's press office knew nothing of it, but was eager to look into it.
		A spokesperson for the Centers for Disease Control said he hadn't heard anything from official sources about any outbreak.
		We did get some anecdotal reports, said the CDC's Llewellyn Grant.
unidentified		So there you go.
unidentified		Now, smallpox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If that's true, let's think about that a little bit.
		Smallpox.
		Deadly, deadly smallpox, said last night's guest, perhaps hemorrhagic smallpox.
		And where is it appearing?
		Pakistan.
		And who's in Pakistan?
		Al-Qaeda.
		Now, what do they want to do to us?
		Kill us.
		So is it so outrageous to presume that what we might be seeing here is a test?
		You know, what's killing a few of your own people to make sure that something works?
		So I'm pretty concerned about this story.
		I mean, in the end, what we can all hope is that it's some other kind of pox and that there's some not even deadlier form of it, as in hemorrhagic smallpox, yikes.
		Listen, coming up in the next hour, boy are you, are we all in for it.
		Nancy Leder is going to be here.
		And Nancy Leder runs Zeta Talk, I guess, and claims to be an enhanced contactee who speaks telepathically with aliens from Zeta Reticuli.
		She says the Zetas have revealed to her information about life on other worlds, the ET origins of the human species, that would be us, the Zeta Human Hybrid Breeding Program, its reasons and methods,
		political science of the cosmos, who is who, the rules of engagement, protocols, the Council of Worlds, time travel, the nature of human, or rather, of alien visitation and human recall of the events, contact techniques, origins of pyramids and the Sphinx.
		I mean, it goes on and on and on, and we're going to be talking.
		Everybody has wanted to talk about Planet X. And as you know, we've had a number of guests now on Planet X, and so it makes sense to have tonight a Nancy leader on from Zeta Talk.
		They've been on this Planet X thing for a long time.
		So we'll see what she has got to say.
		Planet X might be Nibiru.
		It might be the planet that is mythically thought to come back every X number of years, getting either very close to Earth or sometimes not so close to Earth, you know, depending on the cycle.
		But when it comes really close to Earth, really bad things happen.
		I mean, after all, look at Mars.
		Mars, we now know, has all this water.
		Oh, my gosh, it has oceans of water.
		But it's all frozen, most of it underground.
		Unless you're near some volcanic activity, it's frozen.
		Because the atmosphere is all gone.
		Now, one of the things that this is just some for you to contemplate a little bit, one of the things that could do to Mars what apparently was done.
		Remember, as planets orbit, we're right next to Mars.
		Mars is closest to Mars.
		So if this tenth planet makes a swing, it might make sense that occasionally it would cut it close to Mars.
		Now, you know, if you had something that would literally graze your atmosphere, that would, I'm not a planetary scientist, of course, but I think most would agree that would be enough, depending on where, how close it came, to literally strip the atmosphere off the planet, boiling away the water, freezing the water, instant freeze, whatever.
		That is one thing that actually could do the trick.
		I mean, we always sit here and we puzzle about Mars.
		Well, well, what the hell happened?
		A good reason to wonder about what happened to Mars is we live here on Earth, right next door, so to speak.
		And if it can happen there, it can happen here.
		And if there really is a tenth planet or a burned-out sun or whatever it is they think is out there.
		And as you know, there's been some late substantiation that there is something out there with scientists say they believe they have, in fact, discovered a body out there.
		Big planet, burned-out sun.
		They're not sure.
		But something lurks out there.
		I haven't heard any mainstream news say it might be headed this way.
		But that's what we've got tonight's guest on for.
		Anyway, the first few calls I want to take are going to be from Colorado, and then we'll open it up for everybody.
		And for Colorado, I thought we would dedicate this song in great hopes.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Post.
unidentified		Listen to the ripple of the falling rain, telling me just what it feels like.
		I wish that it would be quite a bit and let me be alone.
		The only girl I hear is gone away.
		Looking for a brand new start But little does she know that when she left that day Along with her she took my heart Mama said, Mama said, Mama said There'll be days like this, there'll be days like this My mama said, Mama said, Mama said I was walking the other day, and everything was going fine.
		I met a little boy named Villeo, and then I almost lost my mind.
		Mama said, there'll be days like this.
		There'll be days like this, my mama said.
		Well, it's time, I'm fine.
		Mama said, there'll be days like this.
		There'll be days like this, my mama said.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bid you good evening.
		As I mentioned a moment ago, I think we're going to first take a few calls from the Denver area where a really, truly terrifying fire is underway.
		80,000 acres burned so far and threatening populated areas at that.
		The smoke is being seen by satellite states away.
		Many states away.
		Coming right up.
		All right, straight to the lines.
		I want to take a couple calls here from Denver, Colorado, where this horrible thing is going on.
		First time caller line, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Heather from Denver, listening on K-How at 6.30 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		How's it going there?
		I mean, do you live in what part?
unidentified		I'm in the northern suburb of Denver, but the smoke has been just amazing everywhere.
		It's like you're looking through some kind of golden filter from the sun.
		Everything has a funny cast to it because of all the smoke it's being, the sun is moving through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you also smell it?
unidentified		Smell it, taste it, breathe it.
		Everyone's got a bad throat, you know, scratchy throat from having been outside and trying to breathe any of this.
		It's pretty phenomenal.
		On Sunday, it was the worst.
		I don't think you could see even a mile.
		And that's not typically normal for us.
		And the smoke, it was like being out at a campfire.
		And it was pretty indescribable on Sunday.
		We've had some breeze that has moved things around over the last couple days, but it's still there.
		You can't look very far.
		You can't see the mountains.
		It's pretty amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this.
		There's a big controversy that always rages about this.
		And some scientists say, look, you've got to have these kinds of hires.
unidentified		Yeah, it's supposed to be normal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is just a reaction to, I don't know, too much forestry, too much dry times.
		It's a natural cycle of nature.
		And there are even people who suggest let it burn, let it burn.
unidentified		Well, I don't think things have ever been quite this dry in anyone's record keeping.
		And it used to be a couple years ago, at least in my memory here in Colorado, it wasn't quite as aggressive fighting some of these fires.
		And I think after what happened in, was it New Mexico around Los Alamos?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		I think that they've taken a whole new tactic.
		And boy, are they aggressive.
		They go after it with everything they can.
		It's just it's so blasted dry and we've got amazing winds around here usually.
		And the one that is 30 miles as the crow flies southwest of Denver near Castle Rock, that one is just a terror.
		It's just eaten up everything.
		It's just astounding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose it's a campfire.
		I personally believe this is a sign just of our changing weather.
		That's all it is.
		I mean, they said snowpack.
unidentified		Well, we didn't have any snowpack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No snowpack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		It just has been so thin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was part of the report the president disavowed, but it came from inside his own administration.
		And that's exactly what they said.
		And this hit me right in the eye when it said no snowpack.
		Very little rain, almost no snowpack.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		And we're all around here, those of us who are of that mindset are trying to think rain for five minutes, every hour, hoping against hope that we get a little aid from this.
		We've got about four or five fires going.
		We've got one that's in an old coal seam.
		We've got places in the mountains where they have been coal mining in the past.
		And previously, fires have started in these coal mines, and they continue to burn year-round, year after year.
		And there's one near, oh gosh, it's the hot springs right there as you turn off of I-70 headed for Aspen.
		And there's been a coal fire that's been burning up in there for years.
		And it finally, you know, it was so dry it just got rekindled by that very old coal fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all have something to worry about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If everything changes, I suppose the areas of the mountains that are now forested could be virtually deforested through events like this.
unidentified		Well, we're definitely going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The place I live in here, which is already a desert with very high temperatures in the summer, could conceivably become unlivable.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, maybe kind of along the temperatures that the coast of India suffered earlier this year with 120 degrees and people dying right and left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty awful.
		Maybe it's all moving north.
		In other words, it's really all moving north.
		The warmer temperatures are going north, and pretty soon Canada is going to have a very much milder climate.
unidentified		Well, it sounds like it in terms of the Arctic, too.
unidentified		I read an article about the Eskimos being totally unfamiliar with the kind of climate they're getting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Inuit, I believe, is.
unidentified		Yes, and they don't recognize the seasons, and the hunting is completely, you know, I've never seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a whole story, a big story on that.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
unidentified		You're very welcome, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Denver.
		That's right.
		The Inuit.
		They're saying they don't recognize all what's going on.
		The foliage, the animals, nothing is acting right.
		So that means something.
		All of this means something.
		Even if a lot of people in the administration would have you believe that it doesn't mean anything, it does.
		It's changing.
		It's changing in front of our eyes.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going okay here, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm doing pretty good.
		My name's Kate.
		I'm calling right outside of Denver area.
		It's in Lakewood.
		And, you know, I, just from my limited perspective here in Colorado, although I've been following global warming since I was young, since I was 14 years old, I, you know, kind of jumped on to that whole issue.
		But I can say just right here in Colorado that definitely the weather has changed, that the winters have become more mild and that the summers have gotten hotter.
		You know, back in 82, we had these great, these amazing snowstorms that would happen every once in a while, and you could count on at least a couple of snow days for school.
		Those are, you know, those days are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a big loss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old are you now?
unidentified		Oh, I'm almost 30 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you still remember those snow days real well, huh?
unidentified		Well, yeah.
unidentified		Well, little details like that that I pick up on from my limited perspective out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		And the thing about it is I have watched the weather change not only in Colorado but across the country.
		There's been events that have been anomalous.
		And the thing that blows my mind with these wildfires, especially right now when they're so close to home, is not so much that the weather is changing, but how vacuous it is in the media.
		That it's almost a taboo word to say global warming.
		I called into a radio show, and I talked about some of this, and the host almost acted offended that I brought this up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
unidentified		And I'm not a doomsdayer.
		I'm not saying that if indeed what we're witnessing is global warming, that it's going to be Armageddon.
		I'm not a chicken little.
		I'm just simply saying we need to discuss it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I think so.
		Look, the odds are talk radio is dominated by conservative ideology, a lot of it very strong.
		And it tends to follow the party line, which basically is that there is no global warming.
		And the reason they have that line is because it's the money interest.
		And if there is global warming, it's going to mean that we have to do things that would change the way conservatives think of the economy.
		Do you follow me?
		So it's like you're stabbing them in the heart when you say that.
		Because that's why you get that reaction, you see.
unidentified		Well, I mean, if they have such a stranglehold over the media, which is scary to think that, I would hope that there would at least be some infusion of ideas that would be counter to that that would be a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, it's beginning to change.
		There are more and more stories now by all kinds of mainstream scientists who, you know, eventually these political folk who are taking a certain stand, based not on scientific knowledge but on political ideology, they're going to have to look out and say, well, gee, look at that.
		It has changed.
		They'll still be arguing.
		And it doesn't matter to me whether it's a natural thing or with the hand of man or both.
		Probably both.
		It's happening, and we need to adjust to it.
unidentified		Well, the lack of discussion is almost becoming laughable to me.
		You have literally, it's almost as bad as you have the house on fire and people are out on the patio playing.
		It's just almost becoming preposterous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was something about fiddling whilst Rome burns, wasn't there?
unidentified		Exactly.
		And I'm one person.
		I've been pretty reticent on the issue for quite a few years, but I think it's pointless for me to be that way now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me put it to you this way, sir.
		There's politics and then there's reality and the truth.
		And the two are not always the same.
		In fact, the two almost always are in opposition.
		Particularly with the truth part.
		Eventually the science will become overwhelming.
		It's on its way there now, rapidly.
		It is overwhelming.
		It's the truth.
		I mean, everybody can see it.
		But who cares to look at the changes that are going on?
		The droughts, the incredible changes in our weather.
		So, you know, this caller's central point is dead on.
		The lack of any public discussion about this is astounding.
		Now, on this only slightly positive side, there are a lot of mainstream articles starting to hit the presses that are giving some pretty dire warnings.
		But it hasn't caught up to mainstream discussion yet, and that's pretty much because of the politics.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Oh?
		Hello?
		Hi, my name's Chuck.
unidentified		I'm calling right now from Colorado Springs, Colorado, but I live in Denver, and I can give you kind of an update on where the fire is and what's going on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, please.
unidentified		Basically, the first caller was dead on.
		Sunday was the worst.
		Visibility was down to about a quarter of a mile.
		It was raining ash from the sky in downtown Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		It was covering everything, basically.
		They told people with respiratory problems not to go outside.
		911 was being jammed by calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are the prevailing winds taking the smoke over Denver?
unidentified		They were Sunday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were Sunday.
unidentified		It changed a bit.
		Today it actually died down quite a bit.
		There's a haze that goes all the way up and down the Front Range right now that is prevalent everywhere from Colorado Springs up north past Denver and probably into Boulder.
		Wow.
		And some good news is the fire has slowed down a bit.
		It's no longer traveling at a mile per hour.
		Now it's going at a half a mile an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I got that.
		But satellites are taking pictures now.
		They're saying the smoke from it is going north into Wyoming, Nebraska, and now the Dakotas.
unidentified		Yeah, the plume was 15,000 feet in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And I mean, planes and helicopters were having to fly around because they couldn't fly through it.
		The heat from the fire and all of that smoke coming into Denver on Sunday, Sunday afternoon, was actually causing small thunderstorms in Littleton and Inglewood, just south of Denver.
		It's a suburb of Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
unidentified		Cold air coming the opposite way was hitting the hot air coming off the fire and shooting moisture straight up, and it was raining in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
unidentified		Right now, it's actually, well, as of 10 o'clock tonight when the news was on, it was actually raining up in Woodland Park at the site of the Heyman fire.
unidentified		And that's a little bit of good news for the people up there fighting it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is good news.
unidentified		It's not predicted to rain for tomorrow.
		All the thunderstorms we have coming through are at nighttime, and the winds have died down, and there's a little bit of moisture in the air, so that's got to be helping them.
		But tomorrow they're predicting high westerly winds, which is going to pretty much push the fire straight east.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, what are your comments, if any, on the same thing we talked about with the last caller, and that is no snowpack or very little snowpack?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very little moisture?
unidentified		I sent you an email about it Sunday, actually, when it was really bad in Denver, and I was up there.
		And, I mean, we're at 25-30% snowpack today in Colorado Springs, looking at Pikes Peak, which normally would be covered in snow.
		It's a 14 or, you know.
		It normally would have snow on it at this time of year.
		And there's no snow at all on it.
		It's brown.
		And all of the mountains seem to be that way, too.
		I mean, there's no snow up there at all, pretty much.
		And it's killing us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That will change a lot of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people don't understand how much the snowpack means.
unidentified		Well, you know, water from Colorado and from the rest of the Rocky Mountains basically gives water to the rest of the western half of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And when there's no snow here, there's no water there.
		And, you know, the places that are getting water right now are getting too much of it in the wrong way, places like Minnesota where it's flooding.
		And we're not seeing any of it here, and we're not predicted to see any of it here, and it's real bad.
		So, I mean, this is just the start of it.
		Normally, fire season wouldn't start until next month, the month after that, and we've had the worst fire in Colorado's history already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's barely mid-June.
unidentified		So we're looking at having a real bad season still.
		The Heyman fire did hit what was the site of another fire last year, the year before, I believe, and that has actually slowed it down because there's not really much to burn on one side of it.
		So they're able to concentrate their efforts where they need to.
		But from what I've heard right now, they're just looking at trying to protect individual structures.
		They're not trying to stop the fire at all.
		They're just trying to get it to go around buildings and homes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll all pray that it does exactly that.
unidentified		Well, and they actually, that other fire up in Glenwood Springs, the coal seam fire, closed down I-70 the other day for three or four hours.
		Wow.
		You couldn't go east-west because they had to close the interstate because of the fire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's pretty bad here right now.
		If Colorado changed, and we could ask this of any city, I'm just asking it of you because you live there.
		But if Colorado changed and it became barren, and the weather changed so much that it became barren, sort of a mountainous desert.
unidentified		Well, we'd have New Mexico, basically, here.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well said, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And it's looking that way more and more so.
		And normally this time of year, it would be green everywhere.
		It doesn't start turning brown until July or August.
		And right now, it's brown everywhere, except for where the evergreens are, and they're all burning right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I wonder who gets Colorado.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
unidentified		I have a feeling there's going to be some real cheap property for sale here real soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look to the north.
		All right, thank you very much.
		There's a taste of Colorado for you folks.
		What's going on there?
		And it's part of the weather change.
		No question about it.
		We all live in, in other words, believe it or not, climate affects almost everything you do.
		It affects water availability.
		It affects agriculture.
		It affects almost every single aspect of life.
		And if there becomes a permanent change or an accelerated change, it's not going to be the end of the world, just like that fellow said, but it's going to mean that different areas are going to become different things.
		And I suppose the southernmost parts of the U.S., which are perhaps semi-tropical now, will become tropical.
		I don't know.
		I'm just guessing that everything sort of moves north.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Lord.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Chuck in Dolores, Colorado, Southwest Colorado, Four Corners area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Mighty fine, thank you.
		Um we're the driest part of the state.
		Uh knock on wood.
		We're uh it's not burning yet.
		There's a fire over in Durango though, near Durango.
		Uh we had the Mesa Verde fires uh a few years back.
		Um one thing I've noticed though, uh definite uh lack of chemtrails since the fire started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, isn't that interesting?
unidentified		Very.
unidentified		Now wasn't it uh Russia that said that they could put the fires out over in Malaysia and Sumatra?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they offered to do it free the first time, they said, and then they would charge for it after that.
		They could create, they said, a cyclone.
		And, you know, you're raising another good point.
		Is somebody screwing with our weather?
unidentified		Well, you know, Monsanto's buying up water rights.
unidentified		They're profiting from this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they brought up somebody will always profit from something, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the people that figure out what's going to happen are going to be the ones that profit.
unidentified		Well, I'm glad you're profiting from this.
unidentified		I've been listening to you since you were at Jackie Gonz Plaza there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a long time ago.
unidentified		Well, sir, I used to call you and aggravate you about mad cow disease, and you used to say, oh, you're a wackle.
unidentified		Now we've got CWD here in the elk and the deer herds all because of game farms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do.
unidentified		And the prion has crossed over, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I said you were a wacko.
unidentified		Well, sir, something to that effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anytime from the very first moment we've talked about CWD here on the show, I've always taken it very seriously.
unidentified		This was ten years ago.
unidentified		Well, wouldn't you know, longer than that, back when...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know how old I am.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know how old I am.
unidentified		I'm just saying, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you were a wacko back then.
unidentified		I probably was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're all right now.
unidentified		They're killing all the deer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe killing all the giants.
unidentified		They're killing the ones that are receiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, sir, sir, the hour's over.
		I gotta go.
		Say chow.
		Chow.
unidentified		Chow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Listen to me in the middle of the dry sand.
		In a riding, I'm electro of high.
		I'm dancing, baby, on a shoulder.
		is There's something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up to tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in my love and feeling my singing.
		All these things in our memories so long And they used them to come Oh, God!
		Right, right like this song Take this place on this ship Just for me Oh, God!
		Take a big rock Take my eyes Up I see It's all green I was asleep for years Sweat so hard just to remove my feet Don't do it my life Before I am But by now I know I should have gone Wanna take a ride?
		Well, call Art Bell from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're definitely in for a ride tonight.
		We have had endless requests for a program on Planet X, note program on Planet X, and so it shall be.
		And comes now Nancy Leder.
		Nancy Leder is a computer professional who left the West Coast in 1999 to move to the Midwest.
		She claims to be an enhanced contactee.
		We'll ask about that.
		Enhanced.
		Who can speak telepathically with aliens from Zeta reticuli?
		Nancy says the Zetas have revealed to her information about life on other worlds, the E.T. origins of the human species, the Zeta human hybrid breeding program, its reasons and methods, political science of the cosmos, who is who,
		the rules of engagement, protocols, the Council of Worlds, time travel, the nature of alien visitation and human recall of the events, contact techniques, origins of the pyramids and sphinx, the Niberens, I guess that's what they are.
		Those from Nibiru, right?
		Niberens.
		From the 12th planet, also known as Planet X, and its imminent return and much more.
		Nancy wrote Zeta Talk after awakening late in life to her contactee status.
		She's also the web mistress of two websites, Troubled Times and Zeta Talk.
		Nancy's mission is to educate the public on the coming Earth changes and what to do about them.
		That's what's coming up in a moment.
		The End All right, here is Nancy Leader.
		Nancy, where are you?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Wisconsin, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wisconsin?
		Oh, Wisconsin.
		There's been a lot of weather stuff going on up there.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		There's been a lot of weather stuff going on everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		I don't even know where to begin.
		It sounds like you've got the answers to all the world's big questions with you.
		Is that fair?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's frequently how Veter Talk is described.
		Yes, it brings a lot of pieces of the puzzle together.
		I hear that every day on email.
		People have said they look at the weather changes and maybe they've had some subconscious knowledge, some dreams.
		They've been listening to the buzz out on the news.
		You know, what kind of explanations they're getting.
		They feel uneasy.
		It's not coming together.
		They get to Zeta talk and the pieces come together.
		Basically, our Earth has a history of periodic cataclysms, of wandering poles, frozen mastodons found up in the Arctic Circle, and they've got green grass in their tummies.
		None of this seems to make sense.
		You know, the scientists don't have an explanation.
		And we've had such rapid changes since 1995 in the weather.
		And the poles are melting.
		Antarctica is falling off in chunks and floating away as ice cubes.
		And the government just seems to kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North Pole is melting, too.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is from underneath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to have a new ocean there.
		They're not going to be able to hide under the ice anymore because it's invading ice.
		And, you know, still, I had a caller last hour.
		We were talking about these weather changes in the fire in Denver.
		And the caller last hour said, and nobody's talking about it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		This is the type of thing that has people uneasy.
		Not the fact that it's happening, but the fact that everyone seems so nonchalant about it.
		We're hearing about everything else in the news, and that's actually a symptom of something real.
		For instance, back in, was it March of 97, there was a mass sighting of a mothership in Arizona.
		And both USA Today, and I think it was Fox News or CNN, a couple of different news media chains reported it three months later, and sort of almost on the same date, three months later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're talking about Phoenix Lights.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly correct.
		I had it.
		On the night it happened.
		We had nothing going but.
		That was all we talked about for days.
		And then three months went by, and then, boom, it was like someone threw a switch, and there was a big report.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's not so much the news, it's the delay that people should look at.
		Why the delay and why the synchronized reporting in the major media?
		That's an evidence of a cover-up.
		If there's a cover-up, it's evidence that somebody does not want you to know about the alien presence.
		And that similarly, why aren't we hearing about the weather changes and the poles melting and the like?
		There are more active volcanoes now than in the memory of man.
		You know, they're activating.
		Earthquakes are on the rise.
		They're actually underreported.
		Both the radar is underreported and the frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Nancy, you could control the American press, I guess, if you could control one or more of the news services in this country.
		Then you might be able to control stories.
		You might.
		I mean, it's hard to imagine.
		You know, the American press is so big.
		I mean, take me, for example, right?
		I go on here, and so far I'm still alive, right?
		And I do reporting on this kind of thing all the time.
		And I've never once had anybody come to me in any official capacity and say, hey, listen.
		You know, guys in suits, that kind of deal.
		I've never had that.
		So it's kind of hard to imagine.
		It would have to be done from the very top.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what you're saying is true, I guess, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually, and I haven't researched this myself, but I think the major news, newspaper chains, TV chains, they're owned by very few people.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Wealthy individual Murdoch is one, is he not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rupert, yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And oh, all right, I guess I had that wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rupert Murdoch is his one.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, there we go.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And if you have that person putting certain people into positions where they're editorial and giving them the word on what can and cannot get on the news, then you've got it top down, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, think about the Phoenix lights for a minute.
		Do you suppose whoever it is who controls all this was like sitting around some big room one day and they decided, well, you know, time for a mass sighting story.
		Let's pick up on that Phoenix thing that happened and roll with that tomorrow.
		It's almost like that was done, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I don't think that they wanted a mass sighting story.
		I think what it is is that they're sitting on a massive cover-up and it's a very difficult horse to ride.
		And they're torn by conscience, Art.
		There's so much that they feel that the American public should know, needs to know, and they're balancing this by how they'll react if they did know.
		And you can imagine those arguments in those smoke-filled rooms.
unidentified		I can.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Now, for instance, Planet X, if, in fact, our...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that fair?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You claim to be an enhanced contactee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What in the world is that?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It actually means that I've had a bit of zeta reticula DNA inserted in a certain part of my brain which deals with telepathic communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when do you maintain this occurred?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I think it was in my late 20s.
		I do recall, retroactively, I do recall, you know, coming into the house after being out in the woods for a bit.
		And when I did meditation, I got the whole story outlined to me.
		I was in a chair with my wrists clasped and three different Zeta faces in front of me asking me how I felt.
		Did I feel nauseous?
		Did I feel this way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember, you said faces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember their appearance?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, very well.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, the way they smell, the way they feel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're very thin, and they're much thinner than people can imagine.
		Their bodies are like fenceposts, and their arms are more like broomsticks, really.
		They're very long fingers with hard nails.
		Their thumb is more like a bump, you know, in the palm than a digit.
		And they have very heavy, clumpy-looking feet.
		Actually, you'd think that they didn't have lungs because their trunk is so rigid, but they have bellows, lungs.
		One opens and the other closes, and they work in synchronity.
		Very huge heads.
		The top of the head is a little lighter than the rest of the body.
		High cheekbones, huge eyes, little tiny mouths that are just a slit, basically, and the nose is straight up and down.
		From the front, you just see a couple little nostrils, perhaps, but from the side view, it's straight up and down, about as big as your little finger.
		They really have beautiful faces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps that's subjective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you have DNA, so you're probably partisan, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've known them for a long, long time, and I'm sure, I don't know if you believe in reincarnation or not, but I'm sure that I knew before I was born that I was to have this role potentially.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		The Zetas have said that 19 out of 20 contactees who have volunteered to do a service actually come through and make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually lean toward reincarnation.
		Do you?
		Lean toward would be the phrase.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Because the first time that I was encountered in this body, I was a little girl of about eight years old, and I met them down in the woods, and they were just the little ones.
		The Zetav come in various, they had actually about 127 different varieties of them.
		And this was the little ones about three and a half feet tall, and they leaned out behind the trees and like deer or rabbits that you might encounter in the woods.
		And they kept saying to me, well, telepathically, they kept communicating, which is how they communicate to contactees, do you know why we're here?
		Do you know why we're here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're asking you.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I think they were trying to get me to search my soul because my soul knew why they were there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far is Zeta Reticuli from Earth?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't even know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In light years, I know it's one of the closer star systems.
		It might harbor life, scientists say.
		And I know that it can only be seen from the southern hemisphere, not up here.
		But it's not that far out as things go.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, distance is like a wink, the way they travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not the only one to talk about Zeta reticuli.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear, many people early in the UFO modern times talked about the Zeta reticulants.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And Benny and Barney Hill.
		That very famous case in 1963, and Betty was given a constellation, which she drew a picture of.
		And later, someone in Memphis in Minnesota, I believe a woman, said, that's Zeta reticuli.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And I talk frequently to Betty Hill, and, you know, she really would like to come on the program, but she really can't stay up late.
		And so I just keep plugging away.
		But she's got a serious story to tell.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, she's a honey and stuck to her story and was very detailed.
		Unless you're precise and detailed, that kind of a story wouldn't have weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's for sure.
		And it's hard enough for that kind of story to have weight anyway.
		However, it's fairly easy for me to imagine, Nancy, that it's real, that there is life out there.
		Anybody who looks out there and thinks there isn't life isn't thinking much.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In my opinion.
		So there could easily be life.
		Could it have contacted us?
		Yes.
		Could it have contacted you?
		Maybe so.
		How sure are you that all of this was not in your head?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a difference.
		When you have a suppressed memory and you're recalling it, actually, the way it works is during visitations, they record this in your subconscious.
		They turn off your conscious.
		We have two different brains.
		Normally, you and I are recording in both.
		The subconscious, even though it's given a bad name by the psychological field, is where everything is recorded and nothing is forgotten.
		The conscious is where we play games.
		We selectively remember what we want to, and we change the facts.
		So you record it in your subconscious, and you turn off, it's a chemical switch that they do to people.
		I'm not sure how it's done exactly, but you don't consciously remember.
		So when you're recalling, sometimes that starts out with dreams, a dream state, or you meditate or you can be hypnotized, you get very relaxed, and your subconscious is given the stage.
		You are actually recording the memory for the first time in your conscious.
		There is a difference between daydreams and things that you imagine and the recall of actual memory.
		There are smells, there's touch, there's sounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the way they smelled?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		How?
		Well, their breath particularly.
		It's very acrid.
		It's such that you would sniff it and you'd jerk your head back almost like you'd, I don't know, sniffed sulfuric acid or something.
		I don't know how to equate it to acrid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else special about them?
		I mean, you physically describe them very well.
		Very well.
		What is their temperament like?
		How would you describe them?
		Are they gentle, nice beings, or are they like us, a little good, a little bad, or what?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, all of the above.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And there's poets among them and generals and scientists and engineers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hiddeners?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I suppose.
		Musicians.
		They do say they enjoy music.
		And they have genetically engineered themselves so that they don't have a digestive tract that functions anymore.
		They absorb through their skins and their lungs.
		I've seen them.
		They took me to a home that they had in the Gobi Desert within the mountains.
		And they were laying face down, floating in clear tanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they have thrown off the joy of eating?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they manufacture their own nutrients in the lab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably why their mouths are shrinking.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have.
		And I think if they ate, they'd be in trouble.
		I don't think they have a functioning digestive track anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Better not eat then.
		Yeah.
		And you found that you went to a you're giving me a lot at once here.
		How did you get an opportunity to go to a home?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, from 1995 when I started to consciously recall, and this actually happened after 1995, it was kind of getting ready for the communication role.
		And Zeta Talk has actually been more successful than anyone anticipated.
		And when it started to really take off in 1995, I was given a lot of experiences that I hadn't been given previously to stock me up, you know.
		So this was a way of describing their life, you know, how they're living on the face of the earth while they're talking to people.
		So I was taken there and shown.
		This was like little houses that they had built inside of a cavern along the side, so like adobe, you know, and there's spas, green things hanging and growing.
		They say they listen to music while they float and renew themselves, and they listen to the vibrations coming through the water and the like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are they doing here?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like the Peace Corps.
		You know, people say, well, they've come to eat us or take us over or whatever.
		They're here on a very few life forms or spirits that have evolved to a higher, you know, level and that are intelligent enough to be able to do space travel go out and around.
		Mostly they stay on their planet or in their societies and educate themselves and amuse themselves and learn how to socialize with each other or whatever.
		But this is the Peace Corps.
		And it's not pleasant for them.
		They can't go back.
		Their planets have more of a gravity pull.
		I've seen a Zeta jump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean once they've adjusted to our environment, they can't go back?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Nancy, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Nancy Leeder is my guest.
		She's talking about people.
		No, not people.
		Aliens.
unidentified		I've been away.
		The eagle flies.
		Rolled his wings across all the skies.
		Kissed the sun and touched the moon.
		But he left me much too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This, of course, is coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Ladybird, come down.
		I'll be waiting on the ground.
		Ladybird, I'll preach you good luck.
		I can come in here and I'll be waiting for all the night.
		Oh, no.
		I remember worry, worry, worry, worry, I could forget the first time first time.
		We ever hope.
		We ever hope.
		The reason why you get inside of you believe that the pain's close.
		So I get you to reach our bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255, east of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, interesting.
		Nancy Leader sounds very, very articulate to me.
		This is one of those things where some people are going to sit out there and say she's crazy as a loon.
		But then there's one other possibility, and that is, of course, that she is not.
		And that this is accurate.
		And by the way, Zeta Reticuli is about 39.5 light years from our sun.
		39.5 light years.
		So that would mean 39 and one half years at the speed of light to get here.
		Presumably, they would travel faster than that.
		They certainly are in a likely place for life.
		There's no question about that.
		Very likely place for life and a very possible distance to arrive here as well.
		So the other possibility is that Nancy Leder is straight on.
		And, you know, you've got to think that based on that possibility, well, the kind of answers she's going to have tonight on a lot of questions that we'd all like to know, that it's absolutely worth a listen.
		So much ground to cover, so little time.
		Nancy Leder of Zeta Talked is my guest.
		Nancy, welcome back.
		Hi.
		You understand, don't you, Nancy, that some people, you know, are going to regard this as she's crazy as a loon, right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		That's frequently thrown out there.
		She's schizophrenic.
		She hears voices in her head.
		Well, I don't hear voices in my head.
		I get a telepathic concept that I put words to.
		And also, I don't have a profile of somebody who is disorganized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't sound like it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Michael Lindemann, Zetatok actually started in his online chat group in American Online early in 1995.
		His statement was, it is cogent and consistent.
		There's 1,300 pages out there right now that have been written at separate times in responses to questions, interactions since 1995.
		And there's a consistency that I actually forget what I've written frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's talk because there is so much that you have written.
		So many questions to answer.
		You say that they gave you information about life on other worlds.
		And that's something we all want to know about.
		We look at the night sky, stars everywhere, planets going around.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Life almost...
		We just found out about the water.
		Volcanism beneath Mars, and you've got life.
		And even as bad as Mars is right now, and we'll talk more about Mars.
		But I mean, life on other worlds, is it, what did they say about it?
		Is it common?
		Is there a lot of life?
		What?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		It's actually much more common than we think because a lot of different worlds that we wouldn't even think could sustain life.
		But mainly it's because the universe is immense.
		And I've been introduced to various different life forms in what they call the life form orientation.
		But only those life forms that were carbon-based, basically, that would not be poisoned by coming for a visit.
		So there's life forms that they can't visit either, the Zetas.
		So we started out with a hominoid lineup, and they were pretty weird.
		One of them looked like a horned toad.
		It was sort of like almost like a turtle's shell all over the body.
		And then we moved to different life forms.
		And most planets are water planets, the majority.
		So they end up being something like an octopus or a fish or a jellyfish or whatever.
		Then after that, you have some land-based, most land-based planets evolve reptilians.
		In fact, we had on our planet Earth an intelligent reptile back in the days of the dinosaur.
		Not the biggies, but a smaller version.
		And they're frequently reused.
		Worlds are life-bearing worlds.
		Very few are insect forms.
		I met one.
		It was one of my most difficult experiences because it looked like a giant cockroach as big as me standing up.
		I had a rough time with that.
		But they get even weirder than that.
		I mean, there was one that was like a huge amoeba, like a rug on the floor, and it moved like pea green and curled around my ankles, and then I could communicate with it.
		But the one that caused me to faint was Beanbag Man.
unidentified		Beanbag Man?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I actually created an animated graphic on my website in the world section, Life Forms.
		And it was like a huge beanbag.
		It had no legs.
		I guess it kind of lurched around on a muscle on the bottom like a slug or something.
		And it had a fringe of little arms, dozens of them, with little pincers on the end and two huge eyes in the middle of the top.
		Very nice fellow, actually.
		Came from a planet where they had swarms of bugs that would run over him.
		And as they did so, he would grab them in these pincers and toss them into his mouth.
		And he was green.
		His underside was kind of black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's a bug eater.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		A bug eater, but boy, a very nice fellow.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		But I fainted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Well, I don't blame you.
		I might do the same thing myself.
		So let me get this straight.
		They have brought these life forms to Earth for you to meet, or have they taken you somewhere to meet them?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		No, I was definitely here at the time, and I think that a number of people on Earth, a number of contactees, get these kind of orientations.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's so that when the time comes, they can speak to the issue or they're not alarmed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why are they not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dancy, why are they contacting you and others like you and not governments of the world or the United Nations or whatever we might imagine?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Before Around the time of Roswell, 1950 or so, in fact, contacts were in the conscious of people.
		That's why in India there's a book called The Vedas that describes all these strange, those are real descriptions of aliens.
		Or in the past, they might have called them fairies in the woods or whatever, gnomes.
		Basically, it's the people of the earth.
		They believe in there is an administrative ruling of the universe.
		It's not just ad hoc.
		Anyone can come and do a mass landing and take over the planet.
		There are rules.
		There is a police force.
		We're considered a kindergarten.
		So the people that run the universe, every vote counts.
		It is not a hierarchy.
		You don't get a representative.
		You don't get a president or a CEO who dictates.
		You don't get bribery going on.
		And so therefore, they're reaching out to the true populace.
		The governments are assumed to be run, and quite often are, people who want to be in control, who want to have a lot of money, who don't necessarily have our interests at heart.
		And they would use...
		Oh, well, they definitely contacted our government, which is why MJ-12, which was very real, I can tell you many experiences I had with MJ-12.
		The reason it developed was just we're due for a transformation.
		During the coming earth changes, there is going to be a large die-off of the population of the world, and we are going to move into what Jesus described as the thousand years of peace when he's going to return.
		Well, this is an analogy to say the good people are going to come.
		You know, it's going to be a home for good people.
		So there was a vote, which everyone pretty much knew which way it would go, as to whether the earth should be a reform school for the bad guy or one of these very pleasant places which 95% of worlds become.
		And of course, we chose that route because the people on earth are generally good-hearted folk and care about each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean we chose that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who specifically?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Every human on earth with a reincarnating soul was allowed to cast a vote, and it was a true vote.
		And we voted to move in the direction that Jesus was describing was going to occur.
		You know, it's not a thousand years of peace.
		It's endless peace on earth, you know, of a very good.
		The bad guys are going to be hauled off to reform school.
		Genghis Khan, Hitler, you know, Saddam Hussein, away they go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reform school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning some planet that has been designated so.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And they must live with each other, which is what hell is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when are they going?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen over a period of 100 years as they die off.
		And it's happening actually now.
		It's occurring where people die and their souls are incarnating or being taken away to incarnate in these reform schools.
		The good-hearted souls are reincarnating on earth.
		You notice how many democracies are popping up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		That's fair.
		That is fair.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And there's a change.
		There seems to be more truth out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, Nancy, at the same time all of this is occurring, I agree with you.
		Consciousness is expanding.
		I talked about that with Gordon Michael Scowyen yesterday.
		He said there's going to be a big break in that.
		But at the same time, you know, they're driving airplanes into buildings and threatening to poison us with radioactivity or biological terror.
		In other words, for every good thing you could name, I could name one negative thing that's occurring, and these are all occurring at the same time.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's described as polarization on the increase.
		The bad guys that are going to be hauled off to reform school, and there's a certain number of bad aliens that can come.
		The rules are that human controls contact and communication with aliens.
		If you have a bad guy saying he wants to murder his neighbor or run off with his neighbor's wife, he's going to get a visit from a bad guy advising him how to do that.
		They're trying to get recruits to go with them to their worlds and basically recruiting foot soldiers so they can be generals and the like.
		And there's a polarization.
		They don't want to let go.
		And also there's a moving to different camps.
		You have parts of the world like Scandinavia is becoming more and more socially democratic and the like.
		And you look at Africa and there seems to be some horrific practices of slavery and chopping off hands and misuse of people.
		So there's a polarization everywhere in governments.
		You can see it in our Democratic and Republican parties.
		I won't give away my political orientation, but there's the ultra-righters, you know, the hard-hitters, and there's people who say, what about national health insurance?
		There's a difference in the emphasis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		That's all true.
		But you're saying that ultimately, at a reincarnated soul level, there has been essentially a vote or a tally taken, and that we're headed to be eventually a good planet.
		But sometime between now and then, a lot's going to happen?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		It's a role of 100 years.
		You get to live out your lifetime.
		And so you have to assume our lifespan and go out 100 years, and the world is going to be a very different place.
		But it's a process.
		And it will change region by region, depending on regional readiness.
		When we have a passage of Planet X and we have another pole shift, everyone's life is going to be turned upside down.
		There'll be a lot of changes then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly, you talk about understanding.
		You asked these Zeta reticulans the origin of the human species.
		You mentioned Jesus a little while ago, and yet you maintain the origin of the human species is extraterrestrial, eh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've been genetically engineered, which is one reason we have this weird brain structure where we have the conscious and subconscious and the like.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		The missing link, nobody can find the missing link.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's either on the dark side of the moon or on some desert, a little island somewhere that even might even be under the waves at the current time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know you know Zachariah Sitchin.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I do too, and I've interviewed him many, many times.
		And I understand exactly what he's saying about Nibiru and what our role was.
		Do you buy into that that we were at one time gold mining slaves and we were created to mine gold?
		That's what Zacharias said.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's actually true.
		Gold mining slaves, yes.
		But the Zetas have said that the Nibiruans, who were actually at least 50% larger and stronger than us, because their planet is 23 times the mass, and therefore the surface gravity pressure is about 1.6 or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they'd have to be big by ourselves.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		They were bigger, and they were running mining operations, but they did not genetically engineer us.
		They bragged.
		What Sitchin is picking up is they're bragging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're bragging?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they did genetically engineer us?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		No.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Not according to the Zetas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Braggadocia, so who did the Zetas?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Many different teams of genetic engineers.
		It's a many-step operation.
		You know, it didn't happen once.
		We didn't go from ape to homo sacians in once.
		It was stages.
		And they said they pick them up and they genetically engineer on a desert island or something, which is pleasant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they made it look like evolution.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, well, you know, it happened rapidly, and people say, where's the missing link?
		And they keep looking, and they can't find it.
		And, well, there's a lot of clues.
		It wasn't evolution alone.
		Apparently the apes have 47 chromosomes and we have 46.
		And there's just gaps and there's things that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a group effort of alien cultures?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, whenever the time for genetic engineering comes, the various groups, and there's many, many of them, talk about who should be in charge of it.
		And actually, the reason we have a split brain, conscious and subconscious, is because the engineers at that time were reptilian.
		And they wanted to pass forward our, you know, sometimes we're told we have a reptilian brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Part of our brain is indeed reptilian.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And they don't all agree with each other.
		I mean, they're not all coming from one mindset.
		They definitely have differences of opinion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, then we were engineered by sort of a, oh, I don't know, a panel, you know, a group.
		That's just great.
		And then there's this Zeta Human Hybrid Breeding Program.
		Now, I've interviewed a whole lot of abductees over the years, many, many, many, Nancy, I can't tell you.
		And one common thread seems to run through all of it, and that is interest in our reproduction systems, interest in breeding with human beings.
		What do you know about all this?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a lot.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I was actually a participant in the hybrid program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your telephone's breaking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on a portable?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
		I'm on a landline.
		Can you hear me okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every now and then I'm just going to one of those things.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think what it is is I'm shifting it around in my hand, and I'll try not to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so anyway, interbreeding.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Mixed Leap Forward is happening, you know, and it has been happening for at least 50 years or so.
		And they're creating a hybrid between Zetas and the humans, who are volunteers.
		They're not picked up and their eggs harvested and all this stuff involuntarily.
		They may describe it as a scary situation, but the Zetas point out going to the dentist and even getting married can be a scary situation.
		Many people feel traumatized by it and have mixed feelings.
		So they mix this together sometimes with, and they tend to follow family lines.
		And the reason for that is, I'm told, there's a weaving of the genetics, and they may be missing a gene or two or need to strengthen something.
		And so they blend it together over a number of generations, and that makes a trait stronger, or it brings it through true.
		And it's multiracial.
		It's not Caucasian or et cetera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not clear.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		There's not really a need for it.
		We're scheduled for the next leap forward.
		During this transformation time, it's not just that they're hauling the bad guys off to reform school, et cetera, but we're also going to be reincarnating into hybrid bodies with 400 IQs, and we will be eating.
		We will have the capacity to breathe in a bellows manner.
		We will have sex.
		We'll have big heads, big eyes, and we'll live very high-tech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that doesn't sound, I guess, all that bad.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, no hair, no hair.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be bald, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I like hair.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're not going to have any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		No, they couldn't make it work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's what they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A genetic misfire of some kind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, they said they tried, and they're bald, and they're hairless, and they have been forever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe they didn't try that hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they're just jealous.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		You're complaining.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		They showed me an example of some of their early attempts, and there was some hybrid that had one or two hairs sticking out of the top of his head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm a fan of Crystal Gale, and my wife has extremely long hair, and I love long hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bald?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bald.
		And not big breasted either.
		I mean, we will have breasts, but not big-breasted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's catastrophic tidings.
		Actually, we haven't even got to the catastrophic tidings.
		Stay there on the phone because I want to examine your telephone a little bit and or redial the telephone number.
unidentified		We're getting a lot of quicks and crunches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bald.
unidentified		Bald?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I'm in for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the souls have voted already.
unidentified		So it's too late.
unidentified		No hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sex, but no hair.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping for better.
		The IQ of 400, that sounds good, huh?
		but bald?
unidentified		Time, time, time to see what's become of me While I look around I'm a possibility.
		I was so hard to see.
		The ground, leaves the ground, and the sky, is a hazy shade of winter.
		It's a salvation only ground.
		Down by the side, it's going to be a better ride than what you've got planned.
		Carry your hand.
		The ground, leaves the ground, and the sky, is a hazy shade of winter.
		And I'll be your hopes, my friend.
		That means you can be said, if you're a passer away, simply pretend that you can be the ground again.
		The ground, the grass, the sky, is a ride, is the springtime of my life.
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
		Ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No hair at all.
		No hair at all.
		And then smaller breasts.
		You know, we've gone for war.
		We've gone to war and we've killed for less than that.
		Much less.
		I'm kidding.
		Sort of.
		Once again, here is, uh...
		I promised I'd call her back.
		Ha ha, and forgot to do it.
		got so involved in what I was doing, let me do that right now, and we'll see if we can get a...
		Let's see if we can get her.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see if she's got a new phone and she's ready to run.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		This is better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll listen to it for a while.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And listen, if not, I'll go to a different room.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		This line got struck by lightning a couple days ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's doing it like crazy right now.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go plug into a different room.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me about 30 seconds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And call you back once again?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can do that.
		What the heck?
		I can do that.
		What do you think of what you've heard so far?
		It's one of those things, as I said at the beginning, where you've either believe she's crazy as a loon.
		She doesn't sound that way, does she?
		She sounds, other than the telephone trouble, rather well organized in my mind, or the other possibility is that she is really doing, I'm dialing now, as she said, everything is as she said, which means that you should listen because she might be right.
		Now, let's see if I can get through to her again.
		Here we go.
		Nancy?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Is this better?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I just heard it go.
		So, you know what?
		We're going to have to live with it, I guess.
		All right.
		It's actually on your line.
		Now, you don't have a whole nother line there, do you?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I do, but it's used for DFL, and I can't switch to it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to have the phone company check this out because we did have lightning strike, and it came through and blew my modal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm telling you, you've got big trouble on this phone line.
		This really is the pits.
		But we'll try and make it through anyway.
		All right.
		Everybody will just have to put up with it.
		Sorry about that, folks.
		It's on her phone line.
		Where to go?
		Let's see.
		How about time?
		Time travel is one of my favorite topics of all time, and you seem to know about time travel, or they have told you about time travel.
		What do you know?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've said that it's actually not the speed of light that is a limiting factor.
		And they've described magnetism and gravity as a particle flow, which is something I guess our human scientists are thinking about, the graviton and the like.
		There's actually two phases to gravity.
		One is the gravity pull, and the second is what they call a repulsion force.
		In essence, gravity is the particles floating into a body like the Earth.
		And then when there's pressure buildup, it shoots out like laser blasts, a huge amount of gravity particles, and it cuts right through our atoms and the like.
		It doesn't affect anything.
		It just passes so quickly out.
		Then it disperses kind of like a firecracker and floats slowly back down.
		It's the floating back down that presses us toward the Earth's surface.
		What they do when they do time long-distance travel is they turn off the repulsion force of gravity and only use the attraction force.
		And they said it's a quick kiss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A quick kiss.
		That's really interesting.
		And it also is in line with what a guest the other night who claims to have worked at Area 51 exactly had to say about The manner in which gravity is manipulated.
		At any rate, they're able to travel great distances in very short times?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I have actually gone off the planet elsewhere in the universe with my children.
		This is how I knew that MJ-12 existed years and years ago because before we could get on this large spaceship that was going to take us off the surface of the planet, I had some people approaching with the Vetas, and I said, good heavens, they look like humans.
		And they had light tan uniforms, no insignia, and they were sort of apologetic and said they were told I would understand.
		And they just escorted me to the ship.
		And my son described it as something like customs, that they had to sign in and out, you know, with humans, MJ-12, if they took us off the face of the planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
		All right.
		We'll come back to all of this, I'm sure.
		I want to ask, we have to ask before it gets too late about this Planet X. I've had thousands of requests to do shows on what's called Planet X, or some call it Nibaru.
		It's called Many Things.
		And, you know, I thought...
		And then ABC came out with this story recently that they have spotted something out there out way past the last planet that could be a burned-out sun or some large planetary body.
		And they're actually sensing and seeing something out there.
		And so that gives it sort of a little bit of credibility.
		And when I saw that ABC story, I went, holy smokes, you know, what if they're right?
		Are you aware of that?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I was aware of that story.
		And a lot of others, actually, we're being led to an understanding by the media and the scientists.
		NASA knows where it is, and they discovered it, the exact location in 1983 when they sent up an infrared balloon above the atmosphere or way high in the atmosphere to peer out.
		And they've been monitoring it ever since.
		Our observatories are pretty well controlled, but in fact, the Zetas, my Zetas, have given the path of the way, if you view from Earth where you're going to find this getting ready to make a passage through the solar system, as you've had Sitchin on, it makes this weird elliptical orbit and comes zooming through every 3,600 years or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you agree with that timetable?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		3,657 on average.
		And I don't agree with Sitchin's timetable.
		The Zetas have said it's going to come through late spring, early summer of 2003, less than a year away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Less than a year.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		People have cited this at the Zeta coordinates in early 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, how did they find it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the coordinates?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, the coordinates are on the Troubled Times website.
		And if you go to my website, zeta talk.com, right under the image of the Zeta face where it says Zeta Talk, there's a setup that has several hot buttons.
		It says Planet X sightings.
		Click on that, and you'll go there.
		And one of the things that you can find is the coordinates page where they give every six weeks or so they renew this.
		So in early 2001, we had teams of people that decided to go out and look.
		And somebody in France, in the New Shuttle Observatory, cited it.
		They were very excited.
		They said it's either a comet or a brown dwarf about to go phoof, you know, about to and it was very, very close, almost right on to the zeta coordinates.
		Then somebody in Vancouver, Steve Hobbes, also found it and cited it.
		It was like a dim blob, and the people in the observatory that were assisting the public said, oh, look at that, you know, and it wasn't on the star charts.
		And then somebody went to Flagstaff.
		Now, after the first sighting in France, there was resistance in Flagstaff in Vancouver in that they had like scaffolding so you couldn't point the main telescope in that direction.
		And you know, you can read all about this if you go to the web page because there's letters describing the resistance and the stalling they got.
		But in Vancouver, Steve actually got an admission from the head guy there that they know it and they watch it and they know where it is and they watch it, but they're not allowed to talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lloyd, we're closing in, Nancy, on not being able to do this because of this telephone case.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is killing me because I really want all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to try and hold you on, but if it gets much worse, we're going to have to reschedule this.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		We could reschedule and I could go to a different house.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Use a different line altogether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can't do that tonight, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I'd have to go.
		It would take me 10 minutes to get there.
		I'd have to wake up my sister down the block.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wake up your sister.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I could try yet a different room, but this is a different line going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is really pretty bad.
		And I really, really, really want to get this material on.
		This is really important.
		Ten minutes I could give you if you think, I mean, I don't want to put you on the wrong side of your sister here.
		I tell you what we'll do.
		We could do it maybe at the bottom of the hour.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to try that?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Call this number first, and if I'm not able to work it out, well, let me think.
		I'll call your production guy at the bottom of the next hour.
		You're talking about another half an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about eight minutes.
		Okay, we do it at the time.
		I might be able to carry this through to the top of the hour, depending on how bad the phone line gets.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darn.
		All right.
		Well, so anyway, 3,657 years, and you're being told that the return of Planet X is 2003.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, less than a year away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Less than a year away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the predicted passage with regard to Earth's orbit, how close is it going to come?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's going to come between the Earth and the Sun, approximately 14 million miles away, and it causes a pole shift because this planet is a very large magnet like our world is.
		And it comes up from the south.
		It dips down to a 32-degree angle.
		It comes up from the south.
		And its north pole is approaching our south pole.
		But as it passes, it drags our south pole with its north pole, tipping our globe in space such that we have a pole shift.
		And the Zetas are predicting with great detail how this will happen and what this will mean.
		A lot of flood tides, very heavy earthquakes worldwide.
		The bulge off Brazil in the ocean will become the new North Pole and India the new South Pole.
		And the Pacific will greatly shorten.
		The Atlantic will greatly widen.
		And the people along the coast are going to be flooded.
		You have to be 100 miles inland and a couple of hundred feet above sea level to avoid flood tide sloshing.
		If you move a bowl of soup quickly in the air, the soup stays where it is and the bowl moves.
		In other words, water resists motion because it can.
		All the volcanoes explode, 25 years of gloom after that.
		This does not mean the end of mankind by any means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but having said that, how much of mankind will be around after such a change?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, not everybody dies off in that change, but a lot of people just kind of give up and get depressed and sit around or have injuries or get sick, allow themselves to get sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me some estimated numbers.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		10% will survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		90% die.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, you know, in a lot of ways, I, you know, I enjoy people like you, Nancy, but, you know, you take, you really, your cup of water is more than half full.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're very upbeat, but to suggest, you know, I mean, to skip by the fact that 90% will die, that's a...
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		We have starvation in Africa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		People go out because of cancer.
		And we have human slavery practices.
		So it's not like we live in a tea party in a rose garden.
		And there are things that a person can do if they wish to survive.
		And actually troubled times have just rift with discussions on what life will be and what steps to take.
		For instance, you should distill your water to get rid of the volcanic dust.
		None, you don't get lead poisoning.
		You can eat bugs, and as weird as that sounds, and earthworms, they're 82% protein.
		They grow in garbage.
		And actually, bears get big and fat from bugs.
		You can eat weeds.
		Fishing will be good.
		We probably won't do real well with cattle because the vegetation suffers from the gloom.
		But the oceans will be lush because they'll pull up the carbon dioxide from all the volcanic explosions and utilize that in kelp.
		So ocean fishing will be very good.
		Yes, the poles will melt and the sea level will rise 675 feet, but eventually they'll refresh.
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ocean level will rise 675 feet.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Boy, Russia disappears, I'm telling you.
		Siberia is lowland.
		And the Amazon basin, the Mississippi Basin, underwater.
		And it changes the life over.
		Life will become different like 100 years ago, like the Amish live today, or third world countries do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the major part of our population, of course, is on the east and the west coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're largely going to die.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless they leave the cities, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you recommend at least 100 miles inland.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And 200 feet up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at least 200 feet up.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And actually...
		Hurricane force winds.
		But the little guy without any money actually survives better than the wealthy.
		All you have to do is dig a trench, lay down in it, and maybe a sod-covered board or a metal piece of tin, and you won't be affected by the earthquakes personally.
		Your possessions might be dashed to pieces, or the hurricane winds either, which tend to just roll across anything flat.
		Tornadoes do too.
		They just go across anything flat.
		So Troubled Times and the Zeta Talk site, you can get to Troubled Times from the Zeta Talk site.
		I have pieced together what's called a safe locations document, which you can download as a PDF.
		There's also a website if you can't deal with Adobe PDF, Adobe Reader.
		And the Zetas have responded to requests from people about how safe their location is and what to be concerned about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to be immediately selfish, and I'm going to ask you, I live at about 2,690 feet above sea level in the desert.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		What they've said about Nevada is it will certainly not be flooded, but you're going to have a heck of a time growing crops afterwards.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		If you didn't get your groceries trucked in, Art, what would you eat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'd starve.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And that's what they've said about Arizona, too, is that when you have the desert baked for so long, you can't break this soil up and get it going.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's your main problem in Arizona and Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, Nancy, we're coming to a break here at the bottom of the air.
		And what I want you to do is just go ahead and flat take off for your sister.
		As you say, she's just down the block, right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is very, very iffy.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		This is very, very iffy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very iffy, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Because she may not even let me do this.
		Oh.
		So I'm almost thinking that we should reschedule because I could go down there and she could be grumpy about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She could be, yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very grumpy.
		She's very grumpy about this.
		She doesn't buy into this.
		her basic statement is, why would anyone want to live then?
		And we should all just plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then just hold on.
		You know, in some ways, I agree with her.
		I do.
unidentified		One, two, ten.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's think about this.
		I I mean, you just heard what would happen, right?
		The coasts are gone.
		Water's inland everywhere.
		The pole has changed.
		The world is topsy-turvy.
		Nine out of ten people are dead, which means nine out of ten people, you know, are probably dead.
		And so is a reaction like that, if that should occur, really abnormal?
		Or is that normal?
		Like people, you talk about nuclear war, right?
		Well, I just go out and throw my arms up and welcome whatever's going to happen.
		I don't want to live in the world that follows.
		We will be back.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Good to God, y'all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He knows, oh, cold.
unidentified		When he stick me with him, he doesn't want to make her cry all scream.
		And then an old guitar is off.
		He can't afford.
		When he gets up under the lights To play his play Music And Harry doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene.
		He's got a daytime tough.
		He's doing alright.
		He can play the home like anything.
		Saving it up.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly what it is.
		My guest is Nancy Leeder from Zeta Talk.
		We're talking about many, many things.
		Zeta Reticula, the aliens there that have contacted her, a vast experience with these aliens, and now Planet X and what they've had to say about Planet X. And this is such important material that I'm to just overlook the crackles we're getting.
		We're going to try one more connection, one more line.
		It's downstairs in her house here in a moment.
		While you're listening to our little commercial break, we're going to see what we can get.
		Let's try to play it by ear because it's really important information.
		So stay right there.
		Once again, at yet another location in the house, here is Nancy Leader.
		Nancy, welcome back.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think this line was not in the lightning strike.
		The other two phone plugs were, and I'm just hoping.
		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, so good.
		All right.
		All right.
		So everybody wants to know about Planet X. And you're saying, I guess, number one, that they're saying this is inevitable, it's unstoppable.
		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, to all of that.
		Just like the sun rises, the powers that be, this is actually a schoolhouse for us.
		We're not going to be rescued from this because we're not rescued from starvation and cancer and brutality today.
		If you wanted to evolve a bunch of kindergartners and find out what they're made of and let them arrive where they're going to go, you might put them in a room and just kind of let it slug it out.
		You know, after a while, you've got certain groups cooperating and caring for each other, and then there's the bully.
		Is that everybody a boy?
		Absolutely.
		So that's what we're doing here.
		It's a self-learning schoolhouse.
		We're not to be excused from trials and tribulations because that's one of the fastest learning curves.
		The goal is not a pleasant life and a beautiful life, but a spirit that has substance, a soul that has substance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's certainly achieving that in the world right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If pain is gain, then we're gaining quickly.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And you make the decisions.
		Are you going to help others and at sacrifice to yourself?
		And it's actions that count.
		It's not an intellectual decision.
		So therefore, this is inevitable.
		It's part of our solar system.
		Some evolving worlds have pole shifts.
		Most don't.
		And on worlds where this happens, denial and refusal to even think about it too horrific is a very common reaction.
		What you were describing, oh my gosh, let's just all go out, is the first reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your sisters.
unidentified		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I totally sympathize.
		When people write to me and say, how do I get my spouse or my family, I say, listen, I'm there.
		I got one person in my family who listens and thinks about it and connects.
		And the rest are either in denial or putting their heads in the sand or they don't want to hear it.
		And this is the first reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does your sister think you're crazy?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, she has actually taken a look at the evidence.
		I had a real hard time.
		I mean, we're dealing genius IQs or near genius, or gifted, and all around.
		And you can't get them to look at the evidence.
		It's well, when I have time, and then finally they say, I don't want it because when I think about it, it makes my tummy hurt.
		You know, you get this kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, there's no question.
		There have been sightings by observatory.
		Do you know the Vatican has an observatory?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do know about that.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I heard in Arizona, I'm not sure which one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep, yep.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		They're all looking down toward Orion.
		Well, actually, it goes beyond the sightings.
		That was 2001.
		This January, there was two images made in infrared.
		One of them, and the interesting thing is, last November, the Zetas said the coordinates are going to change because, you know, between the 5th of January and the 19th, they're going to, like, drop in declination, but not really change in right angle.
		That's raw and dick, which is X and Y for astronomers, or maybe it's Y and X. Anyway, the one taken on the 5th was taken by a guy who lives somewhere in the southeast U.S. who calls himself OpenMinded.
		We don't know who he is.
		And he provided this graphic, and he said, okay, Nancy, where is it?
		That was the subject line in the SciAstro Usenet.
		The Zetas had me draw a red circle, and it said it's within that red circle.
		So people did contrast and brightness changes, and here's this round blob coming out.
		And then on the 19th, of course, everybody's saying it's noise.
		You know, it's part of an existing star.
		Well, it wasn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, if this really exists, surely the Hubble, you know, if they wanted to point the Hubble where you told them to point it or others have told them to point it, couldn't the Hubble find this rather easily?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think we don't get the direct feed off the Hubble, Arnold?
		You remember the moon missions where when one of the astronauts said we're not the first, after that we never got direct feeds.
		It was a period of time.
		It got edited.
		We got little pieces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall, yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, the same thing is true of the Hubble.
		My goodness, the taxpayer pays for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, actually, you know what, Nancy?
		I've got something on my website, STS909UFO on NASA Select TV.
		And the striking thing about this is, frankly, it looks like a piece of space junk to me.
		But here's this ongoing feed from NASA.
		And you can tell, you know, the camera on the shuttle focuses on this, whatever in the hell it is, tumbling in space.
		And you can tell that the guy doing the narration, who's talking about some spacewalk they're about to do or some function they're about to do, you can tell the guy is beginning to freak out.
		You know, his voice is beginning to change because he's seeing this on the screen.
		And then about 20 seconds later, you suddenly, the feed disappears and you go back to the typical shot of the control room.
		And when they finally go back to it again, no more shot of this tumbling or whatever in the hell it is, and they're all of a sudden back to work.
		And it was so obviously cut.
		I mean, it was obviously cut.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's the interesting thing.
		Here comes France taking an infrared shot on the 19th, and the blob is no longer where it was on the 5th.
		It's moved down to a new place.
		In declination, it moved, but not in right angle.
		Now, on the 5th, where it is on the 19th, there's nothing there.
		On the 19th, where it was on the 5th, it's not there.
		And the guy in France on the 19th got the original camera FITS file, which we've made available to the world.
		Interesting thing, when that broke the news in February, because they waited until they had all this information well in hand, and we had many copies around the globe, right?
		Before we went forward with this announcement, a young astrophysics student was allowed to use the infrared equipment in Haute-Provence Observatory, and they weren't watching him.
		They thought, well, he's just a kid, he's just a student.
		And he took this terrific recording.
		And our French translator, Veronique, is a space mechanic and understands this.
		Anyway, NASA took away their NEAT.
		The NEAT program is looking for asteroids.
		It's the near-Earth asteroid and the dark objects in our solar system.
		There's track over a thousand of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		The image of that part of the sky most recently taken, I think it was last December, disappeared from their website, or what they had out there was a poor doctoring.
		They were doctoring in the blob that was there on the 19th.
		And Steve Hobbeson of Vancouver caught them at this.
		But anyway, the bottom line is, it wasn't there on the 5th.
unidentified		All right, well, let me give you another...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this object, whatever it is, Planet X, we'll call it, is coming our way, there is going to come a time when nobody can deny it anymore, much as they would want to, like a comet seen in the night sky.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		As it grows in intensity, as it gets closer, seven weeks before the passage, you and I, without a telescope, will be able to go in our backyards, assuming that our night sky is pointed in the right direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we'll see it coming.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And we'll see it coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, all right.
		But back up from that.
		How about amateur telescope people?
		In other words, when will we have no longer deniability or pixel reorienting or anything?
		In other words, it'll get close enough that astronomers, even amateur astronomers, are going to be able to say, look, fools, there it is.
		We all see it.
		It'll be obvious to everybody.
		When will that be?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, the ZATIS have said mid-2002.
		We're about there now.
		The amateurs can see it.
		The problem is that Orion or that location is in the sun, meaning you have to look at the stars past the sun or around the sun.
		And of course, you can't see stars.
		You certainly can't see some dim, diffuse, reddish infrared object.
		But I actually went into my sky map and plugged in different dates and places.
		And from what I can see, by late August, the hour before dawn, you might be able to spot it.
		But by September, it's a couple of hours before dawn.
		By December, from 8 o'clock in the evening until dawn, you can see it.
		So as the fall progresses, amateurs should be able to watch this.
		The ancients described it just before passage as a dragon, a fire dragon in the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Because this traveling planet has a number of moons that are in a swirl behind it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That whole thing has been described by the Vedas why they don't orbit around it, but they end up in a swirl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, they're finding almost any object.
		You know, asteroids capture things that orbit even those we found recently.
		So that sounds logical.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they do a dance around each other.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		They don't really orbit each other, but they kind of do a swirling dance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Do we have any idea?
		Well, that is an attraction of sorts, of course.
		There's some gravity by mass.
		Now, do they have any idea of the mass of this thing?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		Now, in 1983, in early 1980s, when they were going out looking for it, and they were frankly looking for it because the Zetas had told MJ-12 about it, where it was, what it was.
		Then Flandern said it was five times as big as the Earth.
		I suppose he was talking diameter.
		But the Zetas has said it's four times the diameter of Earth, but 23 times the mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's big.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And in 1983, when they found it, when the infrared team, I-R-A-S team, found it, it hit the Washington Post front-page article that's on December 31st of 83, Planet X. And they said that we don't know if it's...
		I want to put as much cold water on that as I can.
		Well, how can he say it's not inbound if he doesn't know what it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
		That's a very good point.
		You know, they talk about blue shift and redshift and all the rest of that.
		They probably don't know.
		But, you know, if this is coming, then all our lives...
		And for those who remain, our lives will change.
		What's it going to be like after the passage for those who remain?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Like camping.
		I advise, you know, I've had young parents, or I mean, parents have young children, and the first reaction is, well, let's just go out with the first wave.
		Well, you know, drowning is not painful.
		If you're fighting it, it's anxious, but if it's not painful.
		And that was their first thought.
		I and the kids were just drowned, you know, and then they changed their mind, and now they've learned what edible weeds are.
		I've seen a young mother walk around and feed her children lunch from the weeds at hand and gone on the Tom Brown survival camping trip, learning how to get along in the woods, you know, and be comfortable with that, fishing.
		Actually, it's kind of fun to some extent, being challenged and finding that you can meet a challenge.
		And I speak from experience because I had a total paralysis when I was 23.
		It was a type of polio.
		And I couldn't lift a finger.
		And when I finally started getting my abilities back, I had to be very innovative and very resourceful.
		And I tell you, I had a lot more confidence about life after that because I found I could meet the challenge.
		I was creative.
		It's not necessarily a bad time.
		There's a lot of things wrong with the way we live on earth.
		And I remind people, death is not the end.
		We are reincarnating spirits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a coccied optimist, and that's fine.
		But there are people, you've got to understand, that have different mindsets.
		And, you know, believe it or not, there's people who don't like camping.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they really like the lifestyle they have right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they will throw up their arms and just say, take me.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And the Zaydis have said there's going to be a lot of partying, you know, because not only can you see it seven weeks before the shift, but a week before rotation of the earth stops.
		And people say, oh, that, but folklore reports that, the long day that Joshua said the sun stood still in the sky.
		And Villikowski did a study and said, well, then on the other side of the world, well, the West Coast Indians report the long night when there was a lot of hurricane force winds and huge waves and yada yada.
		So the last passage was the Jewish Exodus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of lore about three days of darkness, too.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's not exactly three days.
		It's more like a week.
		But people say, well, they'd roast and freeze.
		But that's not true.
		The oceans continue to, and the atmosphere continues to circulate, so the temperature change is not that extreme.
		But if the rotation stops within a day, and it does so because this big magnet coming up from the south grips the Atlantic Rift, which is highly magnetized, a lot of iron ore, most recently ripped, most recent amount of, and it holds it.
		And then it grabs the bulge of Brazil and whoops up to the North Pole, et cetera.
		That happens in an hour.
		And you can actually tell that because the stars would start jiggling and things would start to move rapidly.
		That's when you lay down in your trench.
		And Hurricane Forrest winds and Richter nine earthquakes worldwide.
		Richter is based on scope.
		So when they say Richter 15, they mean the whole, every plate in the world.
		You know, all the cities will become dust.
		You know, the bridges will go down.
		We were not going to have electricity.
		You have to, but you know what?
		You can rig a windmill from car parts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of things you can do.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Yes.
		And the Trouble Time site details this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But will there be an equal mix of good and bad people that are destroyed?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say that the mix will probably end up about the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's true, then we've got Mad Max World for a while.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, to some degree, but there's going to be some intervention as we progress.
		In other words, the bad guys may not find the camps of good people.
		They just might not see them.
		You've heard of contactees saying, well, I saw an owl or I saw a deer in the wood.
		It's screen memory.
		You think you see something, but it's something different than what you really saw.
		And also, we advise groups of good-hearted people to be very low-profile.
		The Mad Max gangs do not survive long-term, contrary to what our movies tell us.
		They loot, and when they can't loot anymore, they starve and freeze and kill each other off.
		And they have a tendency to kill each other off anyway.
		So they don't last that long.
		And the good-hearted people are going to continue to grow because good-hearted souls are going to be allowed to incarnate.
		And some good-hearted encampments may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would have a sort of a society of warlords.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of history, unless there's divine intervention, would suggest there would be fiefdoms and kingdoms and dictators and sort of a mad max world, and that those people, those violent people, would rule for at least a time unless there was some sort of great intervention.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is.
		The intervention is that the bad souls will not incarnate back, but the good souls will, and also the hybrids that are being genetically engineered and living elsewhere will set up communities.
		And they have said that, in fact, some good-hearted people will say, well, we've got these new neighbors, and they look kind of weird.
		They're bald.
		They don't really speak.
		But they gave me this nifty battery that just doesn't seem to run out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they have small breasts.
unidentified		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, they said that in times of trouble like this, where your whole world literally turns upside down, you're not going to start worrying about, you're not going to get anxious about, you know, about weird-looking neighbors.
		And so there's going to be an inflooding of all the good-hearted people.
		There's as many spirits and other life forms in attendance here that are almost entirely good-hearted as there are incarnating souls on earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they believe in God?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they believe in Lucifer?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, yeah, the devil actually existed.
		What they've said is heaven and hell is not really a place.
		Hell is living with other, the reform school, having to go and Saddam Hussein has to live with Hitler, and you can imagine that.
		You know, they've described that as leveling wars in which it's just all-out hack at your brother until you finally establish the pecking order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how Australia started out, but they're okay now.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, some of these people go to reform school and emerge and say, I've made the wrong choice.
		I don't want to be self-centered anymore.
		You know, that's what they have to do, or they're stuck there forever.
		So, let's see, where were we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the devil.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		The devil was actually a life form that had very hot skin, and he was in attendance by three little people who held spikes, and that's why they have this three-prong fork thing associated with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you know, it's really interesting to think about in a lot of ways.
		Mark from Phoenix, Arizona says a psychic named Ruth Montgomery, oh, I know her well, predicted that the number of survivors after the pole shift would number only in the millions, which I imagine would be about 10% of the population, now 6 billion.
		That could easily be so.
		You know, it's interesting to think about if all of this should be true.
		If Planet X is getting ready to make its swing back as early as a year.
		That's not very long, huh?
		So it provokes, it brings on many changes, as the song from MASH said.
		The theme from MASH, remember that?
		Many changes.
		And you can take or leave them as you please, but not here.
		So it'll be an interesting human study.
		It certainly would be interesting to live through.
		And so I guess in a way I'm saying that when it got really right down to it, despite what I might say now, sort of half-joking, I think I'd try to be one of the survivors.
		I'm just that type A. I would dig a hole.
		You know, I'd dig a hole.
		How about you?
		We're about to go to the phones with Nancy Leader.
		And I'm sure you've got a lot of questions about Planet X. I sure do.
		And the Zeta reticulans, I'm not exactly sure the way that should be said.
		Is that right, Nancy?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It sounds good to me.
		They don't actually go by that.
		And of course, that's our name for them.
		They don't even have names.
		They're so telepathic, they don't need names.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
		Are they?
		You know, a lot of people think that if you're telepathic and there's a telepathic society, it would be almost like the hive society.
		In other words, there would be so much connection between people that it would be more of a hive.
		We have such an individual society right now in America.
		We're all very serious individuals, and we seem to treasure that.
		But, you know, the telepathy sounds more like the hive than us.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's certainly more information flow, and they said that's always a shock.
		You know, when we incarnate into our next form, art, and we're aware that everybody else can read our thoughts, it's kind of a shock.
		You know, there's not so much privacy.
		But as far as difference of opinion, that does not go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there remains individuality.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll give you an instance.
		How often do people report three, there were three aliens that visited me?
		Why the three?
		Because three breaks a tie.
		If you have a difference of opinion between two, the third weighs in and breaks the tie.
		And when they're out and about in the universe, far away from anybody else, like they can't go in front of a panel or, you know, get some guidelines, and they encounter a new situation, they say, well, what should we do with this?
		So they obviously don't think alike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many other abductees have you met?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Many?
		I know by email of a number of people that I'm getting told are legitimate.
		But in my family, well, I do know that all three of my children were contactees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, you have so much detail, Nancy, that if you were to encounter another abductee, wouldn't you be able to tell relatively quickly if they were on the level?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, and I also have the advantage of being able to like, I kind of chat with the Zetas all the time, you know, on a subliminal level.
		And I can tell people, but, you know, I don't take those kind of questions by email because that's all I would do.
		In 1997, I gave up what I call personal counseling.
		Am I really a contactee?
		And let me tell you my story.
		And that's all I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you want to give out your email address?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's on the website, and there's a click on the left-hand side, contact Nancy.
		It's a web form.
		You can send me a message, no attachments.
		We live in the virus age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we do.
		Probably a fifth of my email is full of these.
		You know, they're idiots, too, because they're so obviously viruses, and they're not hidden well at all.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		The virus is certain stamps.
		I know I delete tons of them.
		I have the SeerCam and the CleanZ, and every day, tons of them.
		Fortunately, I don't get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know what?
		If you just don't open the attachments, you don't, it doesn't happen.
		That's right.
		If I get a JPEG, I'll open that.
		But other than that, forget it.
		I mean, when it says, my beautiful wife, and then you look inside, It says wife.exe.
		Only a totally regressed human being would open such a thing.
		But, you know, we got a lot of them.
		All right, let's do it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Nancy Leader.
		Hello.
		Yes, hi.
		You're on the air, dear.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		This is Nancy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I know, I know, but there's supposed to be.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		There's another person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, are you there?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hallelujah.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're doing.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is David calling from Logan, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, David.
unidentified		And I've enjoyed your show quite a lot.
unidentified		I find it much more entertaining than the Rush Limbaugh show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's different.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're real different.
unidentified		Well, I like it.
		It's much more intriguing and entertaining.
		Anyway, I've got a question for Nancy.
		I've got a friend up in Montana who is just one of those amateur astronomers who believes he claims he has found Planet X. But some people are also claiming that it could be a black comet.
		One of those kind of comets that doesn't even, that you can't see the trail or anything like that.
		But is it possible that this Planet X might be actually heading our way since it is getting bigger?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it definitely is.
		And in early 2001, it was visible at an observatory.
		They magnify what you're looking at.
		And they also are usually located and have scopes that try to avoid light pollution and the like.
		And so therefore, before that, if you went to an observatory, you couldn't see it, which is why in 1983 they had to loft an infrared balloon above the atmosphere.
		And this year, we're able to image it in infrared, and you can also go and look at it, but you still needed an observatory in January.
		By August, September, et cetera, you should be able to see it in an amateur scope.
		If he's looking at it now, whatever he's looking at, he's not seeing what the Zetas are pointing to as Planet X because it's in the sun, meaning you have to look at it during the day, past the sun, not in the night sky.
		So that's a clue.
		I always say to people, what is the raw index?
		I mean, where are you looking?
		And if it doesn't compare to the X and Y in the sky that the Zetas are pointing to, then that's not what they're looking at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is on your website, right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we've got a link to Nancy's website.
		Hey, Nancy, if it got down to weeks or months, assuming we might have months notification because of all the astronomers who couldn't keep it secret anymore if this thing is really coming, I mean, at some point it's going to be obvious.
		So is partying down rational or irrational from your point of view?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as a personal point of view, I guess if I felt that I didn't have people depending on me and I couldn't help other people and that my life was going to be a misery, partying down and just going out with it would be not an unreasonable approach to take.
		A lot of people would do that, though, just because they don't know what else to do.
		And the Zetas have said they feel people should have a choice.
		In particular, they've said it's not so much rational or irrational as maybe irresponsible.
		If you know this is coming and you have a skill set and can help other people, it's almost like, what about the little orphans?
		Think of all the children whose parents are going to die.
		Imagine this toddler standing over a dead mother and father, broken arm, crying, and here's a hungry dog pack circling it.
		I mean, it's just heart-wrenching.
		So if you can help in that situation, you should.
		A lot of people have written me and said, well, you know, I need kidney dialysis.
		I'm not going to live, and I know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't sound like there's going to be a big calling for talk show hosts immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, shortwave is the way to go, Art, because shortwave communication will survive.
		You can use atmosphere, ionosphere bounce, moon bounce.
		It is the community, and you can even move graphics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know about all that, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's very big.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the solution sets, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think shortwave is incredibly important.
		In any disaster, catastrophic situation, oh my, that's the only way.
		And you can prove that because when hurricanes come in and all communication ceases, phone lines go down, satellite hookups are useless, all the modern community, the internet's everything's down.
		There is one communication getting through, and that's ham operators and shortwave, and that's it.
		And in that kind of situation, that would be it.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And you know, you can buy these things where you grind by a handle, you know, and kind of crank up the battery and then do shortwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've heard of that.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's definitely worldwide.
		It will be the medium.
		And the Zetas have said, talk about divine intervention, where if you don't have hilltop-to-hilltop kind of antenna bouncing, you're going to say, oh, for some reason I'm talking to somebody in Europe or China, and I don't know how that happened, but you're going to get help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that gives me a little hope.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nancy Leader.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm David and Tampa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a brief comment for your guest, and then I have a question.
		First of all, there is no evidence to sustain that this planet has ever entered the solar system and any damage has been done because of it in past history.
		If you go back 3,657 years, 3,657 before that, and on and on and on.
		My point is, if it was going to happen now, it would have happened before.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did it happen 3,657 years ago?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it did.
		Now, what you should remember is a record-keeping goes to heck during these times.
		You don't have, but we do have a record.
		The last passage was the Jewish Exodus, estimated to be 1,628 years before Christ, which is, you know, but it's an estimate because the Egyptian census taking just everything went to heck.
		What exactly discombobulated the Egyptians so badly that all the Jews, their slaves, left, the lame, the little old ladies, and what caused the Red Sea to heave so that the floor moved up?
		You know, and they had the red blood of, or the blood-red appearance of the rivers and the like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Moses with God's hand, they would say.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, well, that's the way he described it.
		He was certainly in touch.
		Moses was a high service to other human who was constantly reaching out for help for his people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but I take your point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if that happened, you could make a case that the only thing that could do that would be that kind of planetary influence.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And take another look from a different angle.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Daly did a study in the early, around 1950, found that all the oceans around the world, the water had dropped 16 to 20 feet worldwide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, that's true because we have seashells here in the desert.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why we call it the desert of the sea.
		It's a little cutism, but it's really true.
		The sea one time was here.
unidentified		Right, Caller?
unidentified		I suppose I wasn't there, so I couldn't really say.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		But recently, within the last 3,000 to 4,000 years, 3,500 years ago, approximately, the oceans of the world dropped 16 to 20 feet worldwide.
		Take a look at how heavy with ice Greenland is.
		It's covered with ice.
		What about wandering poles in ice ages?
		If you take a close examination, you find that the crust moved.
		It wasn't that suddenly a big chunk of ice descended on Wisconsin or Finland or something.
		And what about the mastodon up there in the polar circle?
		They were frozen so that the meat stayed fresh.
		In other words, they didn't thaw since the day of their freezing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is all true.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And they can do dating.
		The last they found about 3,500 years ago or so, they were frozen and then they jumped back.
		There is a track jumping back 3,600 years, and we do have some of that information on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then there is plenty of evidence at that time.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		People look at the puzzle in pieces.
		They say, well, we've got the frozen mastodons.
		Well, we had ice ages or wandering poles.
		They don't put all the pieces together because they have no answer for that.
		So this Zeta talk has put all this together with an explanation that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you know about this and our government is aware, then what are their plans?
		I mean, here we are proceeding with these trivial pursuits of killing Taliban and grieving about the attack on America and what may yet come and worried about that and all the rest.
		I mean, trivial compared to what you're talking about.
		If a planet or a body of whatever it is is going to come this close and kill nine out of ten people, I'd say that's right on up there.
		And the government by now certainly knows about it if Nancy leader does.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they definitely know about it.
		And people at Kokomo, Indiana will tell you that the Kokomo Hum is related because they're burrowing in there, making an underground.
		Mount Weather used to be the place of choice, but it's too close to the coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Nancy, you're telling me the Kokomo Hum is the government burrowing in and maybe even the Talosum.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Yes, indeed.
		And they do mean to move inland away from the coast and have what they call a carry-on government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I don't have my invitation yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		The problem with this is that they're going to emerge from their bunkers and say, thank goodness we, your government, have survived to help you.
unidentified		And what are the taxes going to be?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Give me that bag of rice and beans that you have, and that's your taxes.
		Thank you very much.
		People are going to say, well, where were you?
		You let us know at the very last minute, if at all, right?
		And yet you stocked up for yourself.
		There are rumors that the military is stashing meals ready to eat in caves and trucks.
		But, you know, this military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The government is going to come out with their hand out.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, well, sure.
		You know, and it's going to be...
		The military is not going to operate.
		The soldiers aren't going to go AWOL.
		They're going to worry about their families.
		Sure.
		And the problem with even the rich hiring a militia, a private militia, and saying, well, we've got our encave and we have enough food to last for 50 years.
		And what do you suppose these mercenaries are going to do as soon as they realize they can't be called to account?
		No police force, no courts.
		They're going to take over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I told you, Mad Max.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see that happening at least for a while.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		And the rich and the powerful and their enclaves are going to be the worst off in this regard because the mercenaries are going to turn the tables and just take over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be the meek inheriting?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		The little guy, and we always advise people, don't meet people over the internet.
		Don't move to the other side of the world or the country or whatever with strangers.
		Don't give strangers your money.
		People you know, that you work with and family, form small groups.
		Keep a low profile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the arrow.
		We'll be right back.
		This is Coast.
unidentified		This is Coast.
		I'll settle for the state.
		Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me.
		Tell me, tell me.
		Of his latest friends.
		He talked and talked.
		And I heard him say.
		That she had the longest, whiciest hair.
		The prettiest green eyes anywhere.
		And Marie's name.
		Of his latest friends.
		Though I smiled, the tears inside were burning.
		I wished him luck and that he said goodbye.
		He was gone, but still his words kept returning.
		Where's the step on me to do the crime?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		It occurred to me that this whole Planet X scenario coming on such short notice would make one hell of an open-line topic, wouldn't it?
		How about we do an open-line topic on this this coming Friday night?
		I mean, what would you do?
		And wouldn't it be interesting to hear what people would do if they really determined this was upon us?
		And it won't be very long either.
		But it sure would make a very interesting open-line topic.
		Maybe this coming Friday.
		What do you think?
		You know, the more you think about it, the more to contemplate this scenario and throw it into open lines and just see what people would do.
		What do you think?
		What kind of open-line show do you think that would be, Nancy?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be excellent.
		Actually, there's so many different scenarios, so many different, each is individual.
		And there's people who are trying to figure out how they would live, what this might mean.
		Houseboat living is a great one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I imagine I would get people who would want to be warlords, who would want to be leaders.
		Perhaps violent leaders would be a necessity.
		I mean, you'd go back to the law of the jungle, basically, right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and take a look at the Terminator gene.
		Recently, we had a Monsanto was producing seed that would not reproduce itself.
		The seed would be sterile.
		Why do you suppose that is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, you know.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine Monsanto being the wardlord or people like that saying, well, you can't grow your crops, but if you come and work for us as serfs, then we'll give you seed that works.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really think that's what it is?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was an attempt.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It didn't work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it might be, even in today's economy, it might be economically advantageous to have the Terminator thing in there so that every season for, you know, Planet X or not, you've got to go back and buy a new seed.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think that that was the way it was put out.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		But if you look behind it, it would be a very nifty way of achieving kingdom and serfdom arrangement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here we go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nancy Leader.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air now or never.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hello?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		I have two questions.
		I'd like to know if either you or your guests have heard of the Residency, which is a great big boat which has been built for rich people, very, very luxurious.
		And if hopefully Mr. Bell or your guests have an idea to go there, because I know all your fans, if we don't survive, we sure would like you to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me reiterate.
		Number one, I haven't heard of it.
		Number two, I definitely haven't been invited, nor do I have enough money to get on it anyway.
		So what about you, Nancy?
		Have you heard of that?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard about a big luxury liner and that wealthy people would buy condos on it for like millions of dollars each.
		Really?
		But this is boats don't, big boats like that are not going to fare all that well because of the hurricane force winds.
		The tides that move are going to be mostly flood tides.
		It's not a giant wave crashing down.
		It's like it comes up the house, up to the roof, keeps rising, that kind of a thing, a flood tide.
		So I think that houseboat living after the shift is going to be very nifty.
		As the poles melt, you can actually just pull up the anchor and move along with the coastline.
		You don't like your neighbors, you move.
		And ocean fishing is going to be very good.
		So this is actually a survival technique I find quite appealing myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever see Water World?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Think about the movies we're seeing.
		Deep Impact, Water World, a Volcano in the Middle of L.A., this kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you really think they're adjusting us to what's coming?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		No question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I wrote a book called The Coming Global Superstorm.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Based on the weather changes and a lot of things that we see coming.
		It was half reality, half projected reality.
		I now say instead of fiction because we've moved into that area, they're making a movie out of that.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe we are being conditioned in a way, and maybe I'm contributing to that.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm sure you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nancy Leader.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		West of the Rockies.
		Oh, my fault this time.
		I didn't push button.
		Now you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Can you hear me, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Jim from Northern California.
		Yes, Jim.
		I've worked for the Defense Department for 48 years, and I have some fast questions for this lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask away, sir.
unidentified		Number one, she said that you have to be 200 feet above sea level, and yet she said the sea would come up 600 feet.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we're talking about the difference between the pole shift itself is dealing with the ocean level where it is today.
unidentified		Well, the Defense Department has calculated that the ocean, if you melt all the poles in the Greenland ice cap, would only come up 325 feet.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And the difference, the Zetas have explained, is that everything will heat up.
		Right now we have a lot of El Ninos, and that comes from underneath Indonesia, where there's undersea volcanoes heating the ocean water.
		So if you had all the plates moving and crashing into each other and the core of the world swirling, you know, because it's done this magnetic turn, all that heat rises up through the crust and the world becomes warmer.
		And ocean water will swell when warm, and that makes the difference.
unidentified		Well, your comments, a lot of them, especially the comment regarding people changing from one existence to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reincarnating, I think.
unidentified		Reincarnating.
		You see, this here is what the Bible refers to, doctrines of demons.
		Because if you reincarnate and go from one status to another, the same as they teach in Hindu and all the other religions, then you have absolutely no need for a Savior because the Savior come to save and seek the lost from death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so in other words, you find what she's saying to be an affront to your religious beliefs, sir, right?
unidentified		No, to the biblical teachings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, and your faith, right?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought so.
		That's fair enough.
		What about that?
		I mean, there's a lot of people like that man, Nancy, who have a very strong faith.
		Faith, you know, something that you believe in but you can't prove.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it is difficult, especially when you're all religions of the world have a valid basis and violently disagree with each other.
		The Zaydis have said that Jesus was indeed an Immaculate Conception and was from someplace else, a very service to other oriented, and so was Muhammad and so was Buddha, and thereafter their message got twisted.
		So that what you have, for instance, in the Catholic Church with its difficulties today, rest in gold and the like, this is not as Jesus taught.
		So there's a lot of changes in interpretations of the Bible and interpretations of the word of Jesus that is not what he intended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Nancy Leeder.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi.
		This is Joe.
		I'm calling you from East Los Angeles, KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East L.A., okay.
unidentified		And I have a question.
		And, well, first of all, whatever happened to Noah's promise that God gave him.
		But second of all, there was something in the Bible stating that when you see things like this coming about, to head for the wilderness.
		So what I'm trying to ask from you is, right now, the way the law is written, the U.S. government forbids citizens to use caves and maybe go into forests.
		I just want your opinion about that.
		And let me see if I can understand the question.
		You think, so what you're telling me about the shift is that the North and South Pole will become our equators?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they will both be under the new equator.
		And I do have, if you go into my website and click on the Pole Shift section, there's a new geography discussion that has a map.
		And you can actually print that out and trim the white paper away and glue it on a ball.
		And that's your new globe.
unidentified		Is Alaska a good place to go?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Alaska will be very tropical.
		The big problem with Alaska is the bears.
		Man and bears are going to be fighting.
		And if you get rid of the bears, it's going to be very tropical.
		The permafrost is already mushy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the permafrost is mushy right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is slowly but surely thawing.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The changes are amazing.
		God, what's going on in the world right now is amazing.
		Well, Cardeline, you're on the air with Nancy Leeder.
unidentified		Hello.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Nice to talk to you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is James here in Phoenix.
		Okay.
		When I used to live in Europe, there were all kinds of gargoyles up there.
		I mean, they were so cool, but they were so freaky to look at, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gargoyles?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean statues of gargoyles?
unidentified		Well, that's what I was wondering.
		I heard that on that other planet, there are gargoyles-like people.
		I was wondering if these ones might be in hibernation or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right about one thing.
		He is.
		All over Europe, there are statues of gargoyles.
		I mean, they're everywhere.
		They're very common.
		And I suppose that you would suggest, Nancy, that these are...
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Could I have the Zetas answer that?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I personally don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's Veta Talk.
		Indeed, this does represent a life form similarly to the dragons that are in folklore from China to Europe.
		These were creatures that were brought down by service-to-self entities hoping to terrorize humans and thus increase their harvest of minions during this transformation period.
		They preferred high perches.
		They are not dissimilar from the chupacabras in South America.
		They are not allowed to actually attack people, but to terrorize them.
		They might be considered a dog pack of the evil minions from elsewhere in the universe Who hope to terrorize you into selfish thoughts and behavior resist this.
		They die out because they are not native to the earth, as the dragons died out and were killed off.
		Vampires are another such onslaught of mankind in the past.
		We have this on Nancy's website and suggest you read this to get oriented.
		And this is the end of Zeta Talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was straight from them.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I put words to their concept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		This might seem a silly question, but to a lot it isn't.
		In America right now, we're coming up on about 2 million odd prisoners locked up in our system.
		RJ from Fontana, California would like to know, will they die in their cells or be turned loose on society?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Most likely die in their cells.
		This is an individual thing in the hands of man, as are nuclear facilities, like nuclear power plants.
		There may be people that go and deactivate the power plant so there isn't any spewing and pollution.
		Our nuke warheads, in fact, between America and Russia, we have far fewer than is being reported because there is a technique to deactivate.
		I watched the Zetas present this to MJ-12 and they had a radioactive tub and the wand thing was passed over it, very radioactive, and then poured a chemical in there and then within seconds there was no radioactivity.
		Because bottom line, it's a chemical reaction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they've given this U.S. I was going to say we could sure use that technology because they're getting ready to truck all this waste across the country to yunk a mountain in about 10 years or whatever it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're not looking forward to that.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I imagine.
		So that actually, something like a prison, if you had the guards let them go, then they'd be loose.
		If you had the guards run for the hills, then they'd die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And which is more likely?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably the guards are going to run for the hills, huh?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It depends.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		If you wanted a Mad Max gang, that sure would be a nifty way to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Nancy Leader.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, this is Steve in Shreport.
		Yes, sir.
		I'm a security chief, and I guess that would make me a creditable observer.
		I spotted a UFO about six months ago, relatively close range.
		What I'd like to ask the guest is the Zetas that you refer to, is that the same thing as a gray?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people, they're often referred to as grays, although the Zetas say that you cannot see all the colors.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		We have a very limited color range, and so when you say, oh, it was gray, you just didn't see the color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've seen a limited spectrum, certainly.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So they can be referred to as the grays.
		They get a lot of bad misinformation.
		Every life form, every species, every planet that has evolved souls has a small percentage that become bad guys.
		And they have been around.
		And there has been one or two that have visited Earth and given a bad impression.
		MJ-12 started out being introduced to the bad guys.
		And then the good guys, that was what the crash at Roswell was all about.
		They were trying to say, by seeming hopeless and injured, to try to make the people come and talk to them more as an introduction.
		The bad guys made a better first impression.
		But eventually, MJ-12 understood there were two different kinds.
		All you have to do as a human is say, no, get out of here.
		I want nothing to do with you.
		They can't affect you.
		It's a psychological ploy.
		So the grays, there's a section within the government or a section of the ufology people that say they're all evil.
		Don't talk to them.
		They're out to take you over.
		They eat you.
		They chop you up and throw you in vats.
		And there's a terrible disinformation campaign.
		If that were the case, then why haven't we been taken over?
		Where's the mass landing?
		It's not happening.
unidentified		I think you may have unwittingly become insightful on this because that's what I was going to ask is I'm getting the impression that you think of them as our benevolent space brothers, but I'd sure like to know what they make of what happened to Captain Thomas Mantel.
		I mean, I think they had a hand in his demise.
		I think they've had a hand in some other human deaths.
		And so I really don't see that perhaps they're neutral, but I'm not getting the impression that they really care that much about us.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, there's a lot of disinformation about what goes on.
		I mean, some of it is based on truth, but they cannot affect people.
		They cannot hurt you unless you actually wanted that to happen, unless you gave permission.
		And even those stories that are spread are otherwise.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Nancy Leader.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Ernie from Lake Forest, California, listening to you on KFI out of L.A. KFI, 640.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I have three questions for your guest concerning Planet X. Fire away.
		One, is the planet a solid object like Earth or a gas giant like Jupiter?
		Okay.
		And two, does it orbit the Sun in the same direction as all the other planets or does it orbit in an opposite direction?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		I mean, very good questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pause for a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earth-type or solid or gas giant or what?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's like Earth.
		It's not a gas giant.
		And it actually is a smoldering brown dwarf.
		We're used to thinking of brown dwarfs as being huge, gaseous things because that's what we can see out there.
		But actually, there's a variation across the spectrum as to just when something, quote, lights.
		It exudes light through the rifts in its ocean.
		It has an atmosphere, and it actually supports life.
		Second, the orbit is outside of human astrophysics.
		The humans say, oh, such an orbit can't exist.
		Well, of course, every once in a while we're saying, whoops, humans were wrong.
		We now know.
		So the orbit is like a sling orbit.
		It goes more like a railroad track, but past one of the suns that it orbits, and then it turns around and comes back, zoom, past that sun.
		we have a binary sun, a dead sun that our Earth is a twin of, and they both are stationary in space, fixed there.
		The dithering has stopped, no dance going on.
		And this guy swings back and forth, and every 3,657 years, it makes a very rapid passage.
		It picks up speed.
		It comes zooming past our sun, goes about a quarter of the way past, and sits there for three years or so, then turns around and comes zooming back, and then sits between the two suns for almost all of its orbital period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So almost pendulum-like.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, exactly.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Very good description.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you know, we have just chewed up the time, Nancy.
		We're going to have to have you back.
		Your website is zetatalk.com, right?
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Z-E-T-A-T-A-L-K.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got links there and to your other websites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all I can say is thank you so very, very much for appearing tonight.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		It's been my pleasure and honor, and I'm looking forward to coming back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Nancy.
nancy lieder ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		And she might have just really lit up a topic for Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I'd be interested in hearing from some of you in the email, artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's how you get to me.
		Artbell at mindspring.com.
		And tell me what you think a show like that would be if we jumped ahead and said, all right, Planet X is a reality.
		It's going to be here in 2003.
		We're going to know about it months ahead of time.
		What are you going to do?
		How interesting would that be?
		From the High Desert, I'm Mart Bell.

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