Gordon Michael Scallion shares 1979 visions of altered Earth—pyramids, flooded Europe, and the Mississippi splitting the U.S.—triggered by IVs, later validating them as probable future disasters, including a magnitude-10 New Madrid quake within 18 months. He predicts Middle Eastern dirty bomb conflicts, China/Russia-led stabilization, and a rapid global shift toward nature-based spirituality by 2040, driven by wealth redistribution and children with heightened intuitive abilities acting as societal teachers. Economic collapse looms in late summer 2002, with gold surging, while geophysical risks like Mount Rainier’s eruption signal Seattle’s vulnerability, though Scallion dismisses direct U.S. nuclear retaliation, foreseeing political isolation of bin Laden and a woman-led recovery. [Automatically generated summary]
You're ready for what comes because it's a little different and uh really really strange.
I always wonder what news stations think when they run into this program depending on the night that they happen to, you know, join the program.
God, you can almost see the PD and the managers sitting there shaking their head going, what have they done?
All right, this is going to be a very interesting night tonight, in more ways than one.
Coming up in the second hour, the real deal, he's a friend now, he's been a friend now for a while, and he is internationally known probably as one of the world's best intuitives.
His name is Gordon Michael Scallion.
His appearances are rare and always extremely interesting when he's here, and he's here tonight.
In the first hour, well, I guess you all heard the news today about the dirty bomb suspect, right?
The government announced the arrest of an American, an American citizen, of all things, accused of plotting with al-Qaeda terrorists to detonate a dirty bomb to spread radioactive material possibly targeting Washington.
They arrested him in Chicago.
Jose Padilla Padilla is his name.
He's got another name, but we won't use that.
We'll use this one.
31 years of age.
He's in the initial stages of planning to blow up a dirty bomb.
There's been all day long on the news information about dirty bombs.
And I thought Stephen Quass write down Stephen Quayle's Alley.
He's the author of the book Breathe No Evil, a primer for understanding bioterrorism.
First published in 1996.
Additionally, he has authored a blueprint for survival, investment perspectives on precious metals, aliens, and fallen angels, sexual corruption in the human race.
That's quite a spread there.
Quayle is currently writing a book called Colossus, A History of Giants and Lost Civilizations.
And he is particularly knowledgeable in the chemical, biological, nuclear field.
And sometimes you don't hear all the truth on the networks.
I know this will shock and dismay many of you to hear that.
But occasionally, you will not get the entire truth on our major networks.
So sometimes you'll hear a different perspective here.
That may or may not be the case tonight.
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I watched CNN with the, and I do want to note, by the way, what's going on in Denver?
My God.
What is it, 70,000 acres now are on fire.
This fire is headed to Denver.
And I just heard somebody on AP Network News, which I happened to monitor before the program, say that nothing that man has is going to stop this fire.
It threatens to require the evacuation of 40,000 of you in Denver.
40,000?
Good Lord.
That nothing man has right now.
It's plume-driven, they're saying, and nothing we have will stop it.
Well, basically, a dirty bomb is conventional high explosives wrapped with nuclear material that doesn't create fission or an atomic explosion, but basically creates a massive amount of radioactive pollution.
And the interesting thing about the whole story all day long is that, you know, this Jose Patia, they haven't really brought out the fact that he was arrested almost 30 days ago.
So the question has to be asked first and foremost for the listeners, why today?
And Ashcroft made the announcement from obviously no better place than Moscow.
I think what people need to understand is that Osama bin Laden is basically on record as wanting to take down the financial infrastructure of the United States.
So Washington and New York ultimately come up on the target screen as being the most potential targets with a radiological instrument.
A dirty bomb art, according to a lot of the atomic physicists out there, could probably kill somewhere between 50 and 70,000 people dependent upon the amount of conventional explosives used or high explosives.
There are you know, I watch CNN and there are varying degrees of radiation you could have up to probably the worst of it all, and that would be, say, the spent fuel rods of a nuclear reactor, which they went out of their way on the networks to suggest are very safe, that nobody could really get their, you know, that's really rotten, dirty, bad, bad, bad plutonium, bad plutonium.
Plutonium is one of the most poisonous substances in the world.
And you're talking about the former Soviet Union not having very good control.
So I think that people need to understand that, you know, spent reactor rods are one thing, but when you've got absolute, you know, plutonium-39, you have a poisonous substance that has a half-life of 20-some thousand years.
And the point that most people don't recognize is, again, giving the prevailing winds, a time of day, and the amount of underlying explosives, I think that people have got to understand that the economic ramifications, you would pretty much poison D.C. Obviously, everyone's going to have to move out of there.
and the same thing with the or can i think of some of them ladies gone more poison you I think that's see now they're not really saying these kinds of things uh...
one account like it is our networks uh...
They're saying that it would kill relatively few people.
Both Senator Nunn and Luger both went to this former Soviet Union in the early 90s to basically help them get a handle on all of the weapons-grade uranium and plutonium proliferation.
And Istanbul, Turkey is kind of like the international bazaar for pissile materials or radioactive materials.
And so, you know, what I really resent is that the talking heads, you know, it's almost ad nauseum.
You see, this is something that people don't understand.
The former Soviet Union lost in excess of 200,000 of its scientists, meaning lost.
They didn't die, but they went all over the world to Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, China.
And with them, not only went the technology and their expertise, but a lot of them basically, they brought the goodie bag, okay?
And what's interesting is that one of the most famous defectors in the history of the Soviet Union, a guy by the name of Mitrokhan, who was a KGB archivist, this was a big news several years ago, basically hand-copied a lot of the notes that were in the KGB archives that told where all of these, a lot of these pre-positioned nuclear stockpiles of actual fissionable weapons were located.
And this is a story that Louis Free was asked about, and that Representative Kurt Weldon of Pennsylvania actually had congressional hearings on, but, you know, everybody just let it all slide.
So I think it's kind of, again, ridiculous to assume that we're going to get the real story on the news because, quite candidly, Art, you know, you saw it.
We heard it all day long.
Well, it's not really going to be that bad.
It's not going to be really bad.
Well, why then is Congress and the Senate concerned with relocating 1,000 miles away from Washington, D.C.?
So we have the right to kill 4 million Americans, including 1 million children, displace double that figure, and injure and cripple hundreds of thousands.
We have the right to fight you by chemical and biological weapons so that you catch the fatal and unusual diseases that Muslims have caught due to their, meaning U.S. chemical and biological weapons.
He basically is saying, and this was on the 10th, that we have the right to do everything in our power.
And this is a declaration of war.
And I think that's what the talking heads on TV don't get.
It's kind of like they're spectators.
And I think, you know, they just don't get the fact that this is a statement.
They're saying, we're going to come.
We're going to get you guys.
We're going to use everything possible.
And I think that's what the scary thing is.
Because, again, the economic factors of a dirty bomb, a radiological bomb, what would happen, let's say, if it hit Wall Street?
Well, some of the radioactive isotopes have a half-life.
That wouldn't be the case functionally, but you're talking, look at Chernobyl.
That's a good example, and that wasn't half as dirty as a radiological bomb Would be remember that Russia had to move everyone out of the Ukraine, pretty much in the immediate vicinity of Chernobyl, and they're dealing with the after effects.
I'm not saying it lasts 20,000 years, but it would mean that it would be virtually uninhabitable for a number of years.
Big news: the political ramifications, the economic ramifications of something like that in Washington or New York would.
You couldn't calculate them.
You couldn't calculate them, Stephen.
It would just, it would put us on our knees, and they're vowing, you're saying, you're telling us they're vowing to do exactly that.
Now, you know, I've asked on this program, and I'll ask again, if you've got somebody coming after you like this, if the barbarians are right at the gate and their only care, their only intent is to kill you, as Stephen Quayle has just outlined.
Well, I think the thing is you issue them an ultimatum, the first weapon of mass destruction or the first biological release that they initiate, basically Mecca and Medina will cease to exist.
And that's important because obviously this is a religious war in some of their minds.
And the bottom line is if they're saying we're going to kill you, and I take personal offense at that art, I agree that the talking heads on the street.
Well, I think it's not bigger because, see, again, when we talked the first time about the Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever, which is in the family of Ebola, you remember when we caused a stir internationally when we crashed, your listeners went to the Jane's website and just took it down because there were so many people wanting to get that story on Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever that had basically broken out in certain parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran.
It's my estimation, Art, that these guys have gotten hold, meaning al-Qaeda, the Taliban, all of those Muslim jihadites, the ones that absolutely want the death of the West, and they're testing this stuff.
And unfortunately, the Center for Disease Control made a statement today.
And if it has been eradicated, then the simple question has to be asked.
If it has been eradicated through the official party lines, then obviously someone's got it, and it's been released somehow.
And the point is, is that it points to, again, the very statement I just read from the Reuters article that they say they have the rights to attack us.
There's a whole bunch of articles on that same page on the Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever.
I want to differentiate for your listeners.
We're talking about three different diseases.
We're also talking about hemorrhagic smallpox that leaves people pretty much totally blackened because of the ruptured blood vessels, which is what Ken Alibeck, a former defector from the Soviet Union, you know, head of their bioweapons engineering program, talked about.
And we've got an outbreak of hemorrhagic smallpox in that part of the world, too.
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Coast to Coast AM I'm not the only one saying that we should preemptively kill these people.
You know, they call it a preemptive strike.
But here you are.
The president himself today actually made the case for preemptive strikes against terrorists that seek weapons of mass destruction for use against the U.S. and other nations.
That's interesting, other nations.
Quote, here's the president, quote, with the spread of chemical and biological and nuclear weapons along with ballistic missile technology, freedom's enemies could attain catastrophic power.
He went on, there's no doubt they would use that power to attack us.
We will oppose the new totalitarians with all our power, end quote.
That's President of the United States earlier today.
And that's basically another way of saying we should kill them before they kill us.
Well, I agree with that, and I think that we're going to have to make and take the drastic steps necessary and quit being worried about what's politically correct.
You know, just talking about the economic ramifications of a dirty nuke or a radiological bomb, let's say in New York City, I mean, it would affect everything from obviously travel, trade, transportation.
And, I mean, it would set us back to the point where it would be very difficult to recover, not to mention foreign investors would pull out.
I mean, we would become the pariah.
So I think we either proactively take our stand and go for it now, or basically we are going to get hammered big time.
My definition of hammered big time is that we'll have to deal with all the worst case scenarios.
And, you know, here's the thing.
People can either, you know, they can become active and they can do as much as they can do.
And I'd like to share with you one of the things I think that people should get into a habit of doing maybe is getting to the place where they become way more alert.
You know, I want to set up something called the American Radioactive Alert Network and have people around the country, especially people by nuclear power plants, you know, who have radioactive instrumentation like Geiger counters and survey meters, to be able to take readings art and then feed into a website that people can see.
For instance, if there's any increase in background radiation, it also put the terrorists on notice.
Listen, I'm just making this up now, 2,000 to 5,000 people out there with radiation monitors.
Look, the government can't do it.
They can't be in all places at all times.
And, you know, when you've got Ahmed and all the different people out there saying that they just can't wait to set up a radiological weapon, the point is that by monitoring, you know, all the different areas that just the average Joe American could monitor, he could take his life back into his own hands and really have a feel like he's not just out there waiting for something to happen, but he's proactive in helping.
If our government, let's just say, had knowledge that a group or a person was about to detonate a really dirty bomb in one of our major cities, New York, Chicago, Washington, whatever, L.A., whatever,
if they had information of that specific kind and they thought they couldn't stop whoever was about to do it, do you think they would give a specific warning to evacuate a city?
I would say this, that the bottom line is that's the basis of FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency's crisis relocation.
The question is, would the bureaucrats have the, you know, the, what would you say, guts to do it, or would they be worried, well, what happens if it doesn't go off?
Well, that's what they'd be worried about, because if you said something like that about New York or Washington, you'd obviously create such panic that you would have probably a predictable number of deaths that would number thousands, I'll bet, because it would be a stampede, and it would be just, it would be horrible.
But, you know, I think that, again, that people need to recognize that there is a computer program out that the Defense Department has called CAT, C-A-T-S that's consequence assessment tool set.
And basically, they factor in everything that you just said, from how many people would die, from rushing, be crushed, panic, heart attacks, et cetera, et cetera.
But the thing that people have got to understand is that they have got to put pressure on their congressman and senator saying, look, I don't want to be the fish in a barrel just waiting for somebody with an attitude to shoot me.
I want you guys to become proactive.
And I think that's what the president basically is saying, and I think he's given everybody a heads up.
And I think we're going to see that, and we have to see that.
I wouldn't want to have to make that kind of decision, and it could be just around the corner, too.
I don't know, and I guess nobody really knows, how well Al-Qaeda is set up inside the U.S. Now, there was this arrest, would you point out was you say it was actually 30 days ago?
Well, I think the reason is that they needed something to show that with all the disarray between the intelligence communities and, you know, and, quote, connecting the dots, they needed a victory.
They needed a victory.
And by the way, you know, they're still trying to connect the dots, and we're like tonight on your show, we're painting in the Mona Lisa, okay?
Well, no, I would say that.
You know, the thing is, is that understand that bureaucracy is its own worst enemy because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and then everybody's got a turf war, and I tell them, you guys better quit fighting over your turf.
No Such Thing as Doomsday is probably, he has a great statement.
Some people worry, others prepare.
And it is the best book out there.
I know Philip.
The guy has absolutely done a superb job.
And, you know, that is the best book.
It's available on our website.
It's called No Such Thing as Doomsday.
And Philip takes in all of the different scenarios.
But basically, what we're trying to tell people is with more knowledge, they can act and they can think more clearly, and they hopefully can get themselves and others out of harm's way.
I think Washington gave out two potassium iodate tablets to the people that were concerned.
You know, the standard dose for an adult is one tablet per day, excuse me, two tablets per day, child, one tablet per day.
And the deal is that any absolute, you know, it's going to be absolutely incredible that if there is a major attack or incident at a nuclear power plant, people are going to need that stuff.
Well, first of all, that only protects your thyroid, okay, against the absorption of radioactive iodine, which is a byproduct.
But the thing is, is that most people, you know, even if I lived in the city, I would certainly find out, and there was a potential for a nuclear incident, I'd certainly find out where the old, when I say old, because there are no new civil defense shelters, in order to protect yourself from the radiation, you're going to have to be putting barrier material between you, meaning concrete, steel.
You have to basically protect yourself from ionizing radiation.
Given the fact that most people can't do that, and I want to go back to your question about where are the terrorists in this country.
According to one of the, you know, a very interesting gentleman who actually is a Muslim who does not believe in jihad, he says there are 1,200 mosques in the United States, and he basically is claiming that it's literally, you know, of al-Qaeda and sleeper cells that they type in with or are connected with.
He's literally claiming that there are tens of thousands.
Those are his numbers, not mine.
So you've got the potential for something...
The FBI talked about scuba diving shops over the weekend.
There are a lot of mosques in this country, and we are a nation that allows people to have their religion.
And, you know, as this worsens, there's going to be prejudice.
There's going to be irrational acts against mosques and that sort of thing if people begin to believe that it's endemic, you know, that where you find mosques, you find terrorists.
I hope to God, and I trust it is not so, and that most mosques are just a place of religion, which it just scares me that people will begin to act irrationally.
So we shouldn't feel comforted that the street-level operative is saying their hands are so tied that if they're not set loose to do what they have to do, the probability of an incident is inevitable?
just federal law enforcement no my god and so here's the thing you know the point is is that they always take the heat you know but uh...
but the supervisors look it's it's it's standard operating procedure for most of these guys to have to declare, you know, who they're monitoring.
And the biggest story in the country right now, are you familiar with the Federal Security Investigation Court, or FISA?
You know, it's basically a seven-judge court that the FBI and the different federal agencies go to to get their subpoenas to wiretap the terrorists and all that.
Yeah, and what I'm trying to say, though, Art, is the thing is that if the very court that oversees the intelligence requests for wiretaps is basically obvious.
Well, first of all, if they're in a target city, you know, they basically, and they can go to, again, my website, because remember we talked about the last time I was on your show, we show the 120 cities that the FBI has pointed out as are the most likely terrorist target cities.
Well, the point is that if they're in those cities, then definitely, with the express desire of al-Qaeda and the different terrorist groups to make their presence known, I could certainly suggest to them that they take personal civil defense measures.
Obviously, potassium iodide, iodate, if you're around a nuclear reactor.
And obviously, if you believe that the nuclear threat is real, which I do, then they can go out and get themselves a radiation monitor.
Because, you know, that's how the America used to live during the Cold War.
And everybody had one of those little yellow boxes.
But I think the thing is, is that, again, what they need to do, what people need to do, is be aware that, and they can put pressure on the congressmen, the senators, and stuff, you know?
I mean, no offense, but if the silent majority doesn't wake up and start to raise their voices, they will be the dead majority.
I'll tell you, you know they've got the dead majority.
I've got this controversy going, actually the major media does right now, about how awful it is that we're holding this American citizen who's been declared the enemy without bail, without consultation of attorney, without rights.
We have just simply declared him to be an enemy soldier, more or less, and we're going to hold him as long as we need to, maybe forever, extracting information from him without having benefit of the normal constitutional rights other American citizens would have.
And that's, I'm sure you've seen them raging on about that during the day today.
Basically, someone who's planning a radiological release in the United States that's going to kill 10,000, minimum 70,000, 80,000 maximum, one of the standard release, the bottom line is that he's obviously an enemy.
And I'm surprised they just don't take the guy out and shoot him.
I've talked to servicemen and had guys call and say, their parents and their parents have called me and said, listen, my son says when you see the reports that they killed 200 or 300, they're lucky to find two or three.
And that's what I think is really, really wrong.
We're getting lies, yet the issues demand the truth.
You remember when this whole thing started, that we were told right out we were not going to get much information?
Then it went to we're going to have a whole department of disinformation, the Pentagon, the people got up.
Yeah, I remember.
So the point that I'm saying is that to answer your question specifically, let's say less than 1%.
I mean, because the average American thinks we pretty well, you know, we saw the tanks blow up with pieces flying everywhere, and we had pictures of that sort of thing.
And you're saying, I mean, that's one mindset, what we see on TV and what we hear.
And what you're saying Is really radically different.
You know, and I think the interesting thing is there is that most people would just be aghast at the fact that prior to us going into Afghanistan, Pakistan basically, Musharraf leased the giant Russian transports and Al-Qaeda and Taliban.
We're literally flown out of Afghanistan into specific areas of Pakistan.
That was on, you know, one of the biggest news sources out of the Middle East.
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Yeah, I had a 31-foot Irwin sailboat, and it was a sloop.
And so it was a live aboard, and I had fun.
It was, yeah, it's part of my life that it's an indelible memory.
I think a lot of things were going on psychically at that time, which I was unaware of, which is probably one of the reasons why I needed to be near the large body of water, and specifically near this particular location, which was the west coast of Florida, where the sand is almost pure crystal, which was a Sarasota area of Florida.
So it was a very dynamic area, though I had no awareness of metaphysics or really anything.
I mean, I was a typical business person who was into electronics.
My background was acting as a designer and as a consultant.
So it was technical.
Everything was technical.
Things you could measure, things you could see, things you could build correct.
It was something that I understood and I could control.
If something didn't work, you would diagnose it and you go through it, test equipment, and eventually you figure out what the problem is and it's fixed.
Well, when you figure that part out, let's make a schedule like on 18 or 20 meters or something, and we'll talk.
Sure.
Anyway, so you were giving an address, I believe, to a group of businessmen, maybe one of the most important addresses that you had given in your business history.
You were, what, seeking funds for your company, or what were you trying to do?
It was not in a podium, but it was like a conference room that we had set up for this purpose.
And so we have a small audience, and I'm sitting in front of a table, and I've got charts, flip charts, and I've got monitors where I'm about to show some video footage.
Later the discussions were that they thought that I was having a stroke.
And at that time, I was in my 30s.
And so it wasn't uncommon.
This group was all in that same age group.
One of the people up in front had lost a brother-in-law to a stroke.
So he was very concerned.
And I remember people just coming over to me and I'm saying, you know, and I just could not speak.
And I'm holding my throat.
And so everybody thinks I've got something in my throat.
So somebody immediately goes over and calls the police department and gets somebody over there.
And I'm Trying to calm them down with my hands.
So I'm there.
I don't know what's wrong, but as a technologist, I immediately go through this little quick list of things that, what could be wrong?
I know I've got nothing in my throat, and I'm feeling this dryness.
And, you know, I don't get it.
I don't get what's wrong, but I'm fairly kind of.
I remember I had a piece of paper and I just wrote a few sentences down to the people that were there and saying, you know, I'm sorry for scaring you like this.
I don't know what's wrong, but I don't feel any pain.
And I'm not sure what this is.
And I remember it was just a babbling on for a couple of sentences.
And the next thing I know, within minutes they were there.
And so I go inside and immediately a whole bunch of people come over because the word that's gotten back to them via the radio is that here's somebody coming in who has a problem with his throat.
And so these people are thinking something's down my throat and they've got lights.
And there's a team of people here, maybe four or five, they're all looking around me.
And I'm trying to stay calm as I can because I'm thinking, keep blood pressure down, keep your breathing down.
I'm trying to think of all the things that would not cause whatever I have to get worse.
And so the doctor says to me, he's talking to me and I'm nodding and I can hear.
And he asked me questions and I would nod back and forth.
So they immediately send me up and they start taking pictures.
And so they're getting these x-rays and different things.
And remember they put some kind of fluid in me too.
And they're doing a whole bunch of pictures.
And I'm sitting there and two people never left, two of the physicians there or aides or wherever they were just never left my side.
They were always there and the pictures come back.
And finally, the doctor comes over and he says, we're going to have to keep you for observations.
He says, you say you're not in pain.
We don't know what to do.
We don't know what to give you.
We don't say anything wrong.
It's here.
We're going to bring in some specialists.
We're going to keep you overnight.
And we're going to bring in some specialists here to look at you.
And so in my head, I'm thinking, specialists?
What's a specialist?
Eye, ears, nose doctor.
I don't know what, but I'm here in specialists.
So anyways, I go up into this room, and I'm in a room.
And this is probably around, by this time, it's probably around 9 or 10 o'clock, 9 o'clock at night.
I'm just sitting in there, and I'm going through my mind.
So I get a notebook out, and I'm trying to write down some thoughts in this notebook.
And one of the things I'm writing down is about this meeting I just had.
So I said, I better draft a letter real quick and get this letter back to these people so they don't think I'm squirrely.
Because one of the things I've learned in business is that if people think that you're ill or there's a problem, they tend to stay away or back off.
And other people want to help.
But it's usually because of fear.
They just want to back off.
And so I wrote some notes down about that.
And I'm waiting, and the nurses come in, and they bring in two bottles, two IV bottles on a stand, one on either side of the bed.
And they hook me up to this thing, and I'm thinking, uh-oh, now they're giving me stuff.
And at first they said they didn't know what to give me, now they're giving me these things.
So I've got these two bottles in me, and I'm sitting down there, and there's a TV in the room, and the TV is running, and it's local news, and it's up on the wall.
And I asked them, I said, well, what is this?
And they said, the doctor will be in to talk to you.
There's somebody who will be in here to talk to you.
Next thing I know is that the 11 o'clock news is on.
We're seeing the news and watching the news, and I'm sitting there and I'm still writing my notebook about the meeting.
And I've got that drafted, and I'm also making some other notes about what could possibly be.
So I did a little flowchart, like, as you know, when you're trying to troubleshoot something, you make a little flowchart of what the problems are going to be.
I figured this is the, you know, here it is, you know, business, you know, working, you know, down there, you work really long, hard hours for long time periods, and then you have several months off where I could go sailing.
So I had my life schedule that, you know, I'd work 18, 20 hour days for months, and then I would have time off, and then I'd just go sailing.
And so that's kind of the lifestyle that I had and I wanted.
So I'm thinking that I pushed it, and it could be something wrong, something wrong in my brain is where I ended up with thinking.
So the next thing I know is I'm, you know, television's on, and all of a sudden, I start to see lights in the room.
And I look up, and I'm looking down the end where the door was closed to the room.
And I'm figuring that there's some kind of equipment out in the hallway because the lights are kind of purple and they're kind of fluorescent-y.
And I'm looking out there, and I just pick up over my notebook, and I'm looking at it.
And then I look at the television, and I said, Well, I don't know what this is, and I just didn't pay attention at first.
The next thing I know is that this purple and blue light kind of is now pouring into the room.
And so I kind of back up a bit, and I'm looking, and it looks like a mist of just light, but it's at the end where the door is.
And now I cannot see the door because this color is blocking the door.
And so I kind of dig in a little bit, and I'm sitting here and saying, this may not be good.
This is a fire.
Some kind of a fire going on here.
So I reach over for the nurse call button.
And as I do that, I'm pulling one of the IV bottles.
It's rocking back and forth on a stand, on a stainless steel stand that these bottles hang on.
So I reach back to stabilize one bottle, and the other one started going.
Because now I'm a little bit frantic.
And then the nurse call button, off it goes, and that goes down on the floor.
So I've got these two bottles tugging at my arms, and I stabilize them.
And the next thing I know is that at the end of my bed, this light has become a ball about the size of a basketball.
And it's kind of sparks coming off of it, and it's blue, purple, indigo color with lots of gold specks around it.
And it's just dancing at the end of my bed.
And I am, at this stage now, convinced that, you know, there's really something wrong with my brain.
And I'm saying, you know, this has got to be a hallucination.
You know, I look around the room.
I don't see the television still on.
It's not the end of the world.
You know, I can't talk.
I can't yell.
I can't get the nurse call button.
And all of a sudden, the ball kind of dissipates and an image appears.
And the first image appears as a picture of a pyramid.
And all of a sudden, the pyramid expands from this small basketball size.
And over my bed, and the whole width of the room becomes images.
It's like watching a projector of images.
And I could look to the right and I could see images of ancient pyramids, but they were in pristine new condition.
I mean, like they were just built.
And then I looked over to the left and I could see strange cigar-looked, scar-shaped craft flying in the air.
And then these images would change and colors would come in and certain strange symbols would come in and they would increase in speed and every second or two the images would change.
And this just flashed and flashed and flashed.
And I am now, you know, almost to the point of terror, but all of a sudden I get this little flash in my head that it's got to be these IVs.
Whatever's in the IVs, I'm just having a reaction to it.
Yeah, and I find myself kind of calming down a bit, looking at it, and at that instant, it's like somebody took a switch, all the images went away, and just popped, and then all of a sudden, at the end of my bed, All of a sudden is a really good place to break it all of a sudden.
At this point, the images were happening so fast, or had been happening so fast, that there wasn't a time for me to react, even thinking consciously about is this good or bad?
Is it fearful?
I was just drawn to it.
it was kind of like i was uh...
i was a deer with headlights on me you know and i can describe it in pro I think it was the quail look.
Yeah, it was mesmerizing.
I mean, I was just totally drawn to it.
And then all of a sudden, all during this time, there was no audible sounds that I was hearing at all.
Nothing.
I mean, the TV was running, but I could not hear the TV, couldn't see the TV.
It was blocked out.
Couldn't see anything around the bed.
I mean, I couldn't see to the left.
You know, my visions of the door were gone.
I was only aware of a small vision, which was the bed at the foot of the bed where this image of this woman was.
And all of a sudden I could hear her talking in my...
I just know that she was talking to me and she was telling me that I needed to observe and remember.
She kept repeating that phrase.
You must observe and remember.
And then all of a sudden, the images popped back up and I started seeing pictures of the Earth from space looking back down at Earth.
And I could see the Earth rotating fairly quickly.
And then all of a sudden, it would kind of zoom in, and I would see parts of North America, which I easily recognized, except that it didn't really look like it does today.
You know, the United States was separated by a waterway.
It was divided into two, eastern United States and western United States.
No, I don't think I was, I don't think, in fact, I'm sure that my conscious thoughts at that time was not that this was anything real.
My consciousness thoughts at that time, I remember, was the IVs.
I'm having some kind of a reaction to the IVs.
And I remember just as I started to bring thoughts into my mind about what I had just seen in this woman, the next thing I know is I hear television, which I hadn't heard anything.
And I look around and everything is back to normal.
And I take a deep breath and I go, wow, what a trip this is.
I've got to find out what's in these IV bottles.
And so I started writing down everything that I could remember about the experience.
When it started, what I saw.
And there was so much that I knew it would be impossible.
But I knew, I just had a sense that in the morning, you know, after I went into my tests, that there was someone who was going to walk in and they were going to say to me, you've got to go see this doctor.
And that doctor was going to be a shrink.
I just had that feeling that that's the way this was going to go.
And that perhaps was the worst scenario for me.
Because if it had been something else like an infected throat, my esophagus, something technical, we can do antibiotics.
So they sent me down, they did a few tests, and sure enough, they said, we want you to go see somebody because they started asking me questions like, is there any trauma in your life now?
Do you have any financial trauma?
All these questions are just going, battery of questions, trying to ask me things about, is there anything you're upset about now?
And I thought I had the perfect life.
I have a boat.
I live on the beach.
I'm doing well in business.
Everything seemed to be fine.
And they said, well, we want you to go see this other doctor.
And I said, so that was it.
So they said, we're going to discharge you, but we'd like you to come back.
And as I'm walking out of the building, it's really bright, and I'm aware of it.
So I put my sunglasses on and I'm looking around.
And all of a sudden, I see this man and this dog.
And the dog, I remember, was an Irish setter dog.
And he was throwing a frisbee for the dog.
And I can remember looking at the dog and seeing all these colors around this dog.
And then looking at the man and seeing colors around this man.
And I'm going, I said, wow, you know, I have to open my throat, my voice, and now I have to open my eyes because something's really wrong here.
I'm seeing colors.
And I would look at the palm trees, and there were some wild kind of orchids outside.
I can remember just seeing patterns of lights and colors and around living things.
And so, anyways, I go back and I'm feeling really despondent at this point because the only solution I have is to go see the shrink.
And I'm not sure I want to do that.
But my voice is back to normal.
Everything seems to be fine.
And I'm afraid that I could be out.
A lot of times I sailed by myself, single-handed.
If you're out several hundred miles and something goes wrong, you've got to make it on your own.
You can call your ship-to-shore radio, but it could take a long time to get a boat out to you.
So I explored what those problems would be.
And basically, they wanted me to get involved in a year or two-year program for discussing my mother, my father, my brothers, and sisters, rather, and just discussing everything in my life of what could be causing this.
And finally, I just cut it all off.
I just said I can't go that route.
And I kind of dismissed it.
And I'm still seeing colors around things.
But again, I have no background.
I mean, I've never read any books on phenomena, so I have no structure to understand anything that's happening to me, nor do I know anybody in my circle who I could even talk to about this.
So, Gordon, it could have been something that did happen to your brain that they wouldn't have the slightest clue about, that some neural pathways suddenly crossed or changed or shorted out or made connections they hadn't made before, who the hell knows.
Or there could have been something external that caused all of this, period.
I mean, those are the two possibilities, aren't they?
And, you know, I think what happens is that we go along life, and we think that, you know, we're either not terribly pleased with our life, or we're worried that we've missed the boat, you know, or we're just oblivious to things.
But there's certain points in our life or certain cycles in our life when we're all of a sudden have those wake-up calls.
And usually it's what I've noticed with other people.
It's a health crisis Or some kind of an accident, some form, or a relationship ends up in a divorce or separation of a relationship, or you lose a job.
There's some kind of a little crisis that happens in our lives that gives us an opportunity to review where we're going, where we've been, and it's like an opportunity to kind of redirect ourselves.
And I think that I, I mean, my background as a youth was very strong Catholicism.
You know, the altar boy, I was, you know, all through up into my teens, I was as active as anybody could be with having a belief system.
And so anything that I was experiencing was totally opposed to that.
In fact, I explored it and even talked to literally every faith after I came back from the hospital.
I mean, I talked about it with a lot of people.
And fortunately, I then met another sailor who happened to be a doctor.
He was an MD, and he also was a gestalt therapist.
He had a dual thing.
He started off as an MD, and then he really got into gestalting, and that became his life.
And so we made a deal that if he bought the beer, I would provide the boat, because he didn't have a sailboat.
He used to just piggyback when everybody could.
We would go out sailing.
So, I mean, I went out and I, one day I just told him about this thing, and I remember him looking at me, and he said, he said, well, that's kind of fascinating.
He says, you know, you may have had, and he went into this deep thing, and I didn't know what he was talking about.
And he says, but a lot of things you're talking about seems like they were like prophetic things.
He says, like, you were talking about this one image you had of this plane crashing and you had this and that.
And he says, do you get any more of those?
And I said, well, I said, occasionally, I get flashes of them, but they're not a continuous stream of consciousness.
It's more like a still image.
And so I remember, you know, he says, well, what'd you have recently?
So I remember I told him, and even at this point, I can't remember what it was, but I think it was an airline crash.
I told him about it, and we went sailing and came back.
And the next morning, about 5 o'clock in the morning, he calls and wakes me up.
And I'm assuming he wants to go sailing again because I can't go back to work after this meeting, by the way.
Everything was so changed, I was afraid to even drive because of these images I was seeing.
And he says, you better get the morning paper, he says, because I think we talked about yesterday is in the paper.
And so we spent several weeks going out sailing and talking about this thing.
And he says, you know, he says, the brain is a funny thing.
He says, you know, you can hallucinate, he says, and he says, we don't really understand it.
He says, we understand very little about the brain, let alone the human mind.
He says, we just don't know.
He says, there's phenomena that's going on.
He says, but a lot of the images you're talking about, he says, are things that have happened.
He says, there's been two or three already.
And he says, my suggestion is, he says, you start keeping a journal and putting these things in the journal.
Just start keeping it.
And he says, I also suggest that you kind of embrace this thing instead of trying to run away from it.
And I said, I can't do that.
I said, this is just totally, because in my head, I'm thinking about Father Sullivan, you mess with the devil, you're going to get the devil.
In a previous interview, Gordon told me that, uh, refined as it is now, he's able to see visions as you would see a television screen.
Uh, I recall I'm saying three TV screens, one in the center, the most likely outcome, and then one on each side, which was not as colorful or as distinct, which would be lesser probabilities with regard to our future.
I'll never forget that description.
So, he's my guest, Lord Michael Scullion, one of one of the greatest intuitives in the world right now, and we'll get back to him in a moment.
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then watch you I don't know, perhaps several months went by after I returned, and I began to have these incredibly lucid dreams.
Now, prior to this time period, I could not recall dreaming.
I know I now know with the background I have that we dream every night.
Even those of us that think we don't dream, we do.
But I could not recall having dreamt prior to this time period.
And now I'm having these lucid dreams.
And in these lucid dreams, the images that I saw in a hospital are now repeating themselves, but they're slower.
And they're not moving by like lightning speed.
I can kind of look at them.
And I'm starting to see more of these images of what I now determine is going to be something that in my senses is that maybe this was what the earth was like in the past.
Because I remember seeing the pyramids, seeing things like that, seeing these strange things.
And I'm thinking that maybe what I'm seeing is the past.
And as I would think about these things during this lucid dreaming, I would instantly get responses.
So it was like an interactive dream scenario where I would think something, and all of a sudden, the image would change to give me a better picture so I could understand what I was seeing.
And I began to sketch.
I'd wake up, I was lucid, I would wake up, I would sketch it and put it in my journal.
So if I saw a particular coastline, for example, or a particular country that looked different for some reason, I would sketch it.
And then I got an atlas and I would compare what it was.
And it was at that time that I began to sketch what I then realized was not the past, but was a probable future.
And so the sketchings became a series of maps of countries.
But most of the visions I saw dealt with North America.
And I never could understand that.
I think today that maybe it's because I'm here, it's English speaking, I'm familiar with the area, I've traveled all over North America, I know it very well.
And there are other people in other countries who are getting similar visions.
And I kind of realize, or at least I realized this in the past, we'll say five years, is that there are many people who are getting very similar information.
I mean, I've had literally not thousands or tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of letters over the past ten years of people who are sharing what they're getting, different countries, different languages, but they're getting very similar scenarios, showing that somehow, at some time in the future, our Earth is going to change.
And as it changes, it seems like I was being shown timelines.
I was given events rather than specific dates.
You know, it's like I would watch a vision and it would show me, for example, a volcano erupting and I was able to track the vision to indicate that it was in Italy.
And so Aetna in Italy, I would see that.
And then the next vision would then show another event occurring and then another event.
And so I began to realize that I was being shown events or sequences of events that would occur, kind of like early warning signs.
Well, one of the things I, you know, time is for our physical reality.
When I'm in these other realms or other levels of consciousness that I'm able to go to, there isn't a time.
It's whatever the collective thoughts of the people you're with in that realm becomes the reality you experience.
So there's nothing that's definite.
And as long as there are individuals, people, there can be change.
Because it only takes one person to bring about great changes.
And if we look at changes, we can see, you know, in our lifetime, we can see that there was Gandhi and Kennedys.
And we can see different people, whether we agree with their political philosophies or their spiritual belief systems, they brought about great change.
And these are obviously some form of masters.
These are people who come into the world with a consciousness and a very specific purpose, that they're there to do something.
So as long as we have an individual to hold a light, then we can have change.
We can alter events.
As an event becomes more ingrained in a probable reality, it takes more energy than sometimes even one person.
It takes the group.
And we have just entered one of the visions that I saw over 20 years ago deals with this time period of 2000 to 2012 where I was shown visions that if I had to identify this time period, this 12-year time period, it's the time period of the group where the individual is not as important as the group.
The group actually develops a psychic power.
And now we now see this in healing.
We see it in hospitals who are now acknowledging the healing power of prayer.
And we have theoretical physicists now, Gordon, who are talking about this great non-locality and getting into all sorts of interesting areas that may have a direct connection to the areas that you travel in and see.
Well, it's an obvious question, and they'll slay me if I don't ask it.
Since you do have visions, with regard to the U.S. and our future, even our rather immediate future with terrorism and with everything that's going on in this war and these people who want us dead, and what do you know?
Well, last year I started sharing insights that I saw that were building for this year and so noted that we would be involved in a Middle East crisis and also terrorism and it would touch our shores.
And we're starting to see that has already occurred, of course, with 911.
But what we have to do is we have to look back at a much bigger picture of what's really going on.
What is the energy behind all of this stuff that's going on?
And what's really happening can be focalized into a place in the world, specifically the Middle East, where dynamics are such that it is been going through hatred for millennia.
This is not a new thing.
This is not this century.
This thing goes back so many years, thousands and thousands of years.
And so this hatred is now moving out into the world.
And it will, I mean, it's affected us.
Will we have a dirty bomb?
I don't think we'll have a dirty bomb.
That's not something I've seen.
And from a terrorist point of view, I think there'll be more simpler things.
I think we're going to experience more.
I don't have a date on these things, but my sense is that before this year is out, we are going to experience more events.
But I don't think they're going to be the kind of huge events of the past, like airline is being hijacked as a grand play.
So while everybody's focusing on what's the next grand play going to be and how can we stop it, like the dirty bomb, I think we're going to see more of things that we see in Israel, more of the suicide bomber, because we are already at a point of fear throughout our nation.
And it's affected the markets very seriously, the economic markets.
So everybody's sitting there just afraid to make long-term commitments.
Manufacturing is, you know, they want to sell their goods, but they're afraid to make long-term commitments.
So everybody's looking for, give me profits now so I can show a good balance sheet.
One of the worst fears that we all have to confront and deal with almost daily is the fear of not knowing.
If there's a health crisis, you know, and we don't know, are we going to get through this?
Are we going to live through this?
Or is our relative going to live through this?
Or, you know, the fear that I'm going to lose all of my savings, my retirement, or the fear that I'm going to be on an airplane when some crazy person decides, you know, for their belief system to kill a lot of people.
So it's all this being afraid of just not knowing what's next.
Other than terrorism, which you think will continue, but not with another major incident, which I'm very happy to hear, just as I'm happy to hear the fires are slowing down, thank you, near Denver.
I, too, have become aware, Gordon, of this incredible consciousness change.
And there is something going on.
I've done some experiments.
I've become very aware that consciousness is expanding, and we're learning an awful lot more about the power of consciousness and the way people think and how it affects things that occur.
I've been all over that, and I'm very interested in it.
But you've had specific visions, and it's really important that we get some of that.
You know what?
What I was about to say to you before the break was there's a kind of a race going on between this great negative stuff that's going on with the terrorists and all the rest of it and the changes that could occur in our world, the negative changes, and the expansion of consciousness.
And it's a race, and whichever one wins is probably going to dictate sort of the way things go.
So it's a race.
And I hope the consciousness expansion wins.
But in the meantime, you do receive images.
You do know what's going to probably happen.
I'll use the word probably happen in the future.
And you've hit an awful lot of stuff right on the head.
And so we're obviously extremely curious about what's going to happen.
I just released a new edition of the North America map.
When I first did the first map well over a decade ago, we didn't have a digital imagery that was affordable.
You had to almost buy it from photography from Russia if you wanted to get them.
So that imagery is now available.
It's still expensive, but at least it's thinkable.
And with the new imagery, I was able to update the map showing what I see for new waterways and new rivers and new coastlines.
And it's much more exacting.
And the reason I did this is because the changes are so vast that it's impossible, even though I attempted to do it in my book, it's impossible to describe it.
And an image clearly is worth many words when you see a snapshot of a wall map showing these changes.
And the reason that I did this wall map is so that should we continue on the same path, in other words, should the visions continue to indicate that this is the probable path, that this map could be used as an early warning sign.
In other words, I've never told anybody to believe this.
I said, use this as a guide to see what would happen if the oceans, if global warming should become a reality, this can go back into the early 80s.
And this is when I first did the map, see what happens and see how these things would change the contours.
And therefore, if it does change, then we can use this as a template to go to safer ground, so to speak.
So the changes have not, the visions have not changed appreciably at all for some time.
In other words, the images that I saw 10 years ago are basically the same, whereby the images from 1980 to 1990, there were some changes that did vary a little bit.
And so now there's no longer three screens, I'm only seeing the single screen, which is telling me that this is a probable future event that is going to happen in our lifetimes.
And basically here in North America, we are going to see, just like I saw back in the hospital in 79, the United States divided into two, with the Mississippi being kind of like an inland, major inland sea, a waterway, dividing.
And in the future, in my new map, I describe it as the eastern United States and the western United States.
And that's what they'll be known as.
So the new things I've seen, I've actually been able to see names of things.
Hurricane Andrew, I was able to see that so specifically and accurately as far as the damage everything else because I saw a vision of a headline.
And so I was able to just remember the headlines and the basic captions in it.
And from that, I was able to make a prediction because I had seen a headline.
Now, that's a rarity.
I don't get that very often.
I mean, I do get that, but it doesn't necessarily relate to any kind of a global thing.
It might relate to something more specific to my life or my family's life or something that I just need to learn about.
So the names are now plugged in.
And the changes begin, as we would all suspect, on the West Coast because we have the Ring of Fire and we have the major motion and movement of plates there.
But even before that occurs, there's an event that's coming up here, and it's coming up fairly quickly.
Two events that I saw happening this year and next year was a major quake in New York and another major quake in the New Madrid Fault, which is in the country.
Well, the things that I've seen is when you look at the map, the ground tears, if you look at the Grand Canyon, which, by the way, scientifically they believe it was carved of the glacial activity and water over millions of years and different things.
When I see the actual vision of the creation of the Grand Canyon, it was from a pole shift where the land actually separated apart.
And that's what created that.
And then water, of course, moved in there afterwards.
I see a similar thing down there, where I see a snapshot of the land.
And down there, I see huge water, like the creation of a lake, huge.
So water seems to be a big issue that I see down there.
But, you know, devastation.
You can't rock an area.
I mean, we saw what happened with Kobe, which wasn't a particularly high quake magnitude-wise.
But we saw the damage that's caused by it, or even the North Ridge areas.
So quakes that get up in the ranges that I'm talking about, eight or nine, are pretty devastating.
The warning signs, the things that I always try to convey is some warning signs to watch for.
And the warning signs would be that we would have a swarm of quakes before this.
And the swarms would be in the six range, and so many people are going to feel that it's over.
we had this swarm of quakes, it was in the six.
Everybody was predicting there'd be sevens when it did happen.
And here it was, it was only sixes, and it's over.
But the southern portion of the New Madrid is the one that I see more destructful.
So as you look at this, your listeners, the thing to do is you just get an atlas and you find it'll show the New Madrid there, or if you're online, you can go and find it from USGS.
And you can see where it is.
And then it runs, and it kind of covers three states.
Well, you know, since we last talked, for example, Gordon, they're talking about the, they believe they found a city beneath the sea off the coast of Cuba.
They've with side-scan sonar and now video cameras, they've photographed buildings, what they think are buildings, pyramids, roads.
And this is 2,200 feet below sea level.
Now, something very quick and very catastrophic would have had to have occurred to take something down that far.
Or we just don't understand history at all properly.
One of the two.
So apparently things can happen very suddenly, very quickly.
And you're suggesting that we're on the verge of that.
When things happen like that, you know, most of our civilization today is built on the coastlines.
And it's been the same in the past.
That's right.
They've rediscovered Alexandria and the port city of it and the lighthouse.
That's true.
And here we're talking a couple thousand years ago, and that was still just myth.
Or Troy, the discovery of Troy was myth.
And then these things are discovered.
So those things happen very quickly, but when you're on a coastline, you lose most of your records and most of your civilization.
And so when it happens, it gets lost.
Now, the myth, the Cuba find, it's possible that it can be Atlantis, though I don't think it directly is Atlantis.
I think it's a colony that came after it near its end period.
Excuse me.
But all throughout the Atlantic and the Caribbean, there's all kinds of lost stuff.
I've dived in those places, and I've seen columns and things.
And so, you know, there's a lot of artifacts.
But underwater archaeology is incredibly expensive, time-consuming, and every time a storm goes by, the sands shift and things get buried or unburied.
So it's very costly.
But we're starting to find out that there are and have been other civilizations that by some mechanism have disappeared.
And people look at my map and they say, well, how could this be?
These mountains are 4,000 feet high or 3,000 feet high.
How can there be water there?
Well, it's just like he was stating the city that they found off of Cuba is really deep.
And so they found things that are thousands of feet.
Well, when the ground thrusts or compresses, you know, a mile is nothing for grounds to move.
You get out in space and look back at it, it looks like a small impression or a little dimple.
So lands can be thrust literally miles high or miles low.
Mountain ranges, some mountain ranges are born over long time periods, but mountain ranges can be thrust up.
I mean, if we look at Iceland, we can see islands being born literally overnight.
Geologically, there's a lot of activity on the planet right now, and we are all of a sudden making incredible discoveries.
And I believe, I should say I know as well, that some of the discoveries that have been made that haven't been released to the public yet are really going to change religion and our total understanding of who we are.
These things are all going to come to bear in the probably next year or two.
So that's all part of consciousness.
We're ready now to accept it.
Once we did the genome project and DNA, once we started doing that, our consciousness, we went to the moon, our consciousness increased.
And now we're ready to know more about the next thing.
And the next thing is who we really were, who we're becoming.
And, you know, what I described in your show 10 years ago was watching the headlights at night, just like fireflies going over the mountains, going into where you now live.
No, and one of the interesting things is that the computer backup systems, I mean, they got back up in a relatively short time period, considering the depastation of the World Trade Center.
But a lot of those backups, or the majority of them, were out in the Midwest.
They were in different centers that were housing remote access.
So there was a lot of storage that was outside of the area, which is smart business anyways.
Wherever you have your backup, you want to have it someplace else.
It makes no sense to have a backup next to your own computer, for example.
Yeah, I knew it was New York, and I knew that there was a lot of flames, and I knew that it was a terrorist activity, and I knew that it came from the Middle East region.
Gordon Martstallion is my guest, and he did see the event, not specifically saying World Trade Centers, but Flame, Fire, New York, and where it would come from.
That's pretty good.
All of that was recorded one year before the event.
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And Gordon, I've got a story here which cleared the Jerusalem Post on the 8th.
It says, Arafat, in a speech broadcast today, said that a Palestinian authority, Chairman Yazer Arafat, threatened that if Israel does not retreat from Palestinian-ruled areas, there will be, quote, a disastrous explosion that will impact the stability of the whole world, end quote.
Now, it could just be a boisterous threat, but there are so many of them over there.
However, that sounds pretty dire.
And so obviously, I'd like to know what you see coming for the Middle East.
Well, the Middle East, of course, dominates the news, but India and Pakistan, of course, has overshadowed that as of late.
And I realize that there's a lot of forecasters out there in intuitives who are saying that nuclear conflict is inevitable.
And I don't see that.
I don't see India and Pakistan having a nuclear exchange.
However, I do see it in the Middle East as they pertain to areas from Iran to Iraq, Syria.
I see nuclear exchanges going on there, but smaller, much smaller kind of, I don't have a good background in this, and I don't study or read out of it.
I guess the word would be tactical, smaller things.
Well, Arafat, maybe I don't, I think earlier this year I said in my newsletter that as a political leader that he was his time was through, but it would take some time before that's replaced.
And then one of my subscribers wrote to me and said, are you talking about Hannah Swari?
I'm not even sure how to pronounce it.
I saw those initials, and then I saw, after he mentioned that, I began to have dreams about her trying to lead the Palestinians into a peaceful situation.
I mean, right now, I would have to say that what's going on behind the scenes from a war point of view is very serious.
It's probably the most serious thing that I've seen in all of my years.
And I really think the Middle East is just going to erupt in such a fashion.
There's a lot of people, you know, we have envoys.
Every country, China has been involved in Russia and England.
Everybody's going into these areas trying to stabilize all these different countries.
But what you really have here is small groups of fanatics that have very little value to life and are willing to make the ultimate sacrifices for their belief systems.
And that's a very hard thing to shut down entirely.
So I do believe that we're going to see nuclear and probably more of a dirty bomb in the Middle East.
Like I said earlier, I don't see it here in the United States.
Well, in the past, we have come right up to the brink, you know, where people in Israel were in safe rooms because they thought biologicals were about to land on them.
And everybody knows Israel has nuclear weapons, probably tactical nukes, probably nukes that are improved upon from U.S. stockpiles.
They generally do that.
And so they've got them buried in the desert, everybody thinks.
I see China and Russia moving closer and closer together and moving more towards humanitarianism.
I know it doesn't look like it now, but I see that.
I see Russia in particular becoming an incredible light of the world.
Really?
Yeah, the war that they fought in Afghanistan, I see that whole thing turned around and I see them doing incredible things to support education in particular and food and growing.
I see them really involved there.
And I see China and Russia trying to keep a lid on everything.
Now, their borders are immense.
And when you look at the map and you see the former Soviet Union and you see China, then you see all the Middle East things, you realize that they have a lot to gain by keeping stability in the region.
Now, we've been really blessed here in this country.
I mean, totally blessed.
I mean, Israel, every day, you know, you watch some mad person blowing themselves up.
And these are children now, and women, and teenagers.
And so they just don't know when the next one is going to come from.
Like we said earlier, you know, it's the not knowing.
We've been blessed here.
You know, we've had a big event, but the next events that are going to hit the United States, as a result of the, as this war begins to build up and it actually occurs, we're going to see more of that kind of the same events that are occurring in the real world.
I have seen a vision of a nuclear device in the United States, but I don't see it in the short term.
The short term would be the next five years.
But I have seen it.
I've seen the Mushroom Cloud, and I know that it's somewhere in the United States, but I only had one or two visions on that until I get at least three, if not more, where I can kind of pinpoint what's going on.
I can tell by the vision the way it is that it's not short term.
But in our lifetimes, we will experience in the United States a nuclear disaster.
Whether that's a power plant or whether it's a terrorist activity, I can't say.
But I do not see missiles with nuclear devices coming in.
The things that we have to watch out for now, I think, are boats.
Boats is the big thing for the United States that I'm concerned about.
You recommended that I ask an interesting question.
And this really is an interesting question.
If you look out, say, 20 years, and you look at the world's religions, and all of the trouble that we seem to be having right now is based in the differences in the world's religions or perceptions or the radicalized factions of some of these religions.
So if you look at 20 years at religion, Does anything change?
We tend to think religion is steadfast and it has been.
But if we look at longer cycles, we see that there's been constant changes.
And, you know, if we look at Christianity, you know, we're talking billions of members, but it's, you know, there's other religions that have an equal number.
I mean, there's lots of religions, thousands of them.
And then they fragment when there's a disagreement about an interpretation even.
You'll fragment.
So the Protestant movement was a fragmentation.
And that in turn fragments some more and fragments some more.
So it's always humankind's interpretation of whatever a group believes in.
One of the things I said that we had to watch for as the warning sign for the decline of religion as we know it, all religions.
There were two things I said to watch for.
One was religious wars or holy wars, which I think we could probably say has begun.
And the other thing I said is watch for the uncovering of hidden secrets detrimental to the Catholic Church that have been hidden.
And so in 91 I reported on that and I said, watch out for, when this occurs, we will know that the cycle of change from religion to spirituality will have truly begun.
And it doesn't happen overnight.
So we would have to look ahead 20, 30, 40 years, let's say a generation.
If we looked ahead in a generation, we would see a new planetary belief system versus a fragmented.
Now this does not mean that there still would not be other faiths that would be present in the world, but if we were to look at a collective belief system, because what we're moving towards now with the expansion of consciousness is the awareness of a collective mind.
And so all of a sudden, we're moving towards a time period where we were, I believe, some 12,000 years ago, where we were more of a mind people or a thought people, where we were intuitive and telepathic, and we were able to see the bigger picture.
And as religion strips away the dogma and we begin to explore faith in a different way, and science, of course, is constantly playing in and out of religion because there's some religions, some of the greatest secrets in the world haven't come to light yet.
I mean, discoveries that everybody should know about because of religion.
But that will be stripped away here and it continues to be stripped away.
So we're going to see a new spirituality, and the spirituality will be based more on a sacredness of, the only way I could describe it would be nature.
We were to say, you know, let's look at nature, and let's say nature was God, which it is, and let's say that we said, you know, how do we respect that?
How do we live with it?
How do we work with it?
And the decisions about strip mining and decisions about whether we get rid of all the animals in the area because we want to put a shopping mall, those decisions go away.
The decisions now is that we have to protect this deity, this belief system.
There still is a belief in the oneness of creation.
So it's not like we become atheistic.
In fact, it's the opposite.
We become more of a believer in a creator.
But the respect that goes along with the creator occurs versus right now we are in a monetary-dominated world where 90% of the wealth of the world is held by 1% of the people.
And that is really the cause of all the problems that we're having right now.
The only way I could describe it is like if you woke up one morning and all of a sudden you had the eureka about something, you said, oh, that's it.
That's kind of like what this collective awareness of consciousness expansion is going to occur for people.
It isn't like in the past there was one or two people who got it, talked about it, and then 10 years later maybe a movement would start and then 20, 30 years later you'd have this large body of people.
It's not going to be that way.
It's going to happen in a much more collective like the hundredths monkey.
We're around the world different people get it.
The indigenous people have always had it.
So we can argue that, well, this is nothing new.
This has been with our planet for a long time.
It's just the rest of the world is now catching up to it.
The United States, of course, is going to, these changes are going to obviously affect it.
We have a very large audience at our institute, and so I get a lot of feedback from parents.
And back in the 80s, I wrote a paper called Children of the Blu-ray.
And then when I wrote my book, I included that paper in the book as a chapter.
And it basically described what I saw coming in the 90s in a larger way.
That as new children were being born, as children incarnated into the world, that there would be some very distinguishable differences from them.
And it wouldn't be isolated to a particular country, but it would be a global thing.
And it would occur in small numbers in the beginning, and then they would be larger numbers.
And what these children were, were the forerunners of a new race of consciousness.
And if we were to, the difference I would say is that it's like the difference from Homo sapiens, from a previous species.
Not so much physically, although there will be physical differences, but not that dramatic, but a whole new race of people.
And it begins with the children.
And they would have certain characteristics that we could identify them.
One of the characteristics was that these children would almost become teachers of their parents.
So they would not necessarily be born into a new age or a new awareness family, though it would be common that that would occur as well.
But they would also be born into families that were having difficult times.
And these children would actually be a form of a teacher.
They would just intuitively know what to eat, too.
They would tend to eat more vegetables than meat.
And it would be at an early age, so it wouldn't be because they had developed a consciousness, at least an aware consciousness, of humanity towards animals, for example.
It was just that they would be drawn to certain foods, be very specific and certain colored foods.
They would almost intuitively know things.
And by the time that they were two or three years old, they would easily grasp languages.
And they would have at least a partial initially recall of it started off as stories where they would tell their parents these stories of someone else.
But it really was that they were recalling some of their previous incarnations, and they could accurately describe it and talk about it.
Yeah, it started, like I said, at least I forecast it was going to start in a significant way in the 90s.
And as we moved into the new millennium, the thing was going to take a big jump.
And again, it's all part of this expanding consciousness, this global consciousness that's just moving like a freight train that's pulled out of the station.
And now it's really headed into the open road.
And that's where we're at right now.
We're seeing this.
And as a result of it, this is one of the things that I see that the educational system is going to totally break down and totally be changed to deal With this, because a lot of the first Blu-rays that came in in the 60s and 70s, for example, reached adulthood, and those that went into the teaching profession and then later into positions of authority in education are going to be in position very soon to bring about this change.
Because to bring down any kind of a change in an institute is almost an impossibility.
It almost has to collapse or crash before it can be rebuilt.
Yet this one is going to move fairly quickly.
The things that we no longer see as a value, for example, whenever money gets tight, we cut education, we cut the arts.
That's right.
And those things are going to turn around.
It's going to turn around where we're going to see these as a more important value.
And you're going to see communities starting to really support this.
Well, as I said earlier, I view it now and have for a while now as this great race.
And will consciousness expand to the point where we save ourselves or will the negativity that's going on in the world right now and it's manifest overtake a race?
And, you know, the days of the Inquisitions, and that continues, and it still continues today.
You know, we're still working on other countries, and other countries obviously are trying to destroy us.
So the battle between light and dark goes on.
And sometimes they have the upper hand, and other times they don't.
We're moving to a time period, which I see lasting for about 1,800 years, where our world and our consciousness is going to go through some really hard times here in the next decade.
But during the same time period, there's going to be great growth, great spiritual expansions, and then afterwards we're going to see a world quite changed and quite positive.
And it doesn't mean that there will not be challenges along this next 1,800 years, but it would be so different.
Once there's a redistribution of the wealth of the planet and value systems are put in and children are given a prime directive of this is our most valuable resource, once that occurs, there's no stopping it.
We may see a little tick up here in the short term in the next month or two.
We may see a little forward movement.
But I basically see, in January, I said that this year we would see declines in markets, though I did see the NASDAQ faring better than the Dow, for example, in that.
And I saw gold, as I said two years ago, that gold would really start a run-up in 01.
And I do remember when he was on last and mentioned Afghanistan.
And you have so many guests, you know, even with those terrible tragedies last September, it just hit me when I heard him tonight make reference to that, you know.
First time I recalled that that prediction had been made.
And I'm curious.
I was raised in the Tri-Cities, and I've lived in Seattle a long time, and I'm thinking about moving to Ellensburg, which Mr. Scullion may know with your travels is like midpoint between.
Now, I wouldn't pack up my bags and go because somebody said something was going to happen, but I was just wondering if that might be a good suggestion.
And so the area that you're talking about, I have a general idea where it is.
And, you know, 50 miles to 100 miles from the coast, from a geophysical point of view, at least from my forecasting point of view, is a preferable distance to move to.
You can always take a look at my new future map of North America, and you can see the coastline very clearly there.
And you can look at it.
A lot of times what people do, they take the map, and they write me and they say, I don't agree that it's going to be this severe, or I don't agree that it's going to go this far.
But it helped me to decide that what was really important is to be near family.
So I'm going to move in an entirely different direction than I was going to move in.
So oftentimes it'll help you along that way.
The area that you're thinking about moving to is a high-risk area from my perspective.
03 and 04 are two years that are very dark in my visions.
I mean, really dark.
So, you know, there's a lot of things that are going to be going on, not just singular things, but lots of different things, you know, politically, environmentally, economically, and socially.