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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 2002.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever time of day and whatever time zone you happen to be in right now.
Be it well.
I'm Art Bell and this of course is Coast to Coast AM and I'd like to welcome yet another new affiliate.
Pretty big one at that.
W.H.L.O.
in Akron, Ohio.
There's 640 on the dial there.
I guess KFI's signal finally ends out there somewhere before Ohio.
That's W.H.L.O.
in Akron, Ohio.
The GM there, Belinda Holland, thank you.
And the PD, Keith Kennedy.
Get ready for what comes, because it's a little different.
Really, really strange.
I always wonder what news stations think when they run into this program, depending on the night that they happen to, you know, join the program.
Gosh, you could almost see the PD and the manager sitting there shaking their head going, what have they done?
All right, this is going to be a very interesting night tonight in more ways than one.
Coming up in the second hour, The Real Deal.
He's a friend now.
He's been a friend now for a while, and he is internationally known, probably as one of the world's best intuitives.
His name is Gordon Michael Scallion.
His appearances are rare, and always extremely interesting when he's here, and he's here tonight.
In the first hour, well, I guess you all heard the news today about the dirty bomb suspect, right?
The government announced the arrest of an American citizen, of all things, accused of plotting with Al-Qaeda terrorists to detonate a dirty bomb to spread radioactive material, possibly targeting Washington.
They arrested him in Chicago.
Jose Padilla.
Padilla is his name.
He's got another name, but we won't use that.
We'll use this one.
31 years of age.
He's in the initial stages of planning to blow up a dirty bomb.
So, there's been, all day long on the news, information about dirty bombs.
And I thought, Stephen Quayle's right down Stephen Quayle's alley.
He's the author of the book, Breathe No Evil, a primer for understanding bioterrorism.
First published in 1996.
Additionally, he has authored a blueprint for survival investment perspectives on precious metals, aliens, and fallen angels, the sexual corruption of the human race.
That's quite a spread there.
Quayle is currently writing a book called Colossus, A History of Giants and Lost Civilizations, and he is particularly knowledgeable in the chemical, biological, nuclear field, and Sometimes you don't hear all the truth on the networks.
I know this will shock and dismay many of you to hear that.
But occasionally you will not get the entire truth on our major networks.
So sometimes you'll hear a different perspective here.
That may or may not be the case tonight.
But Stephen Quayle on the subject of dirty bombs and more in a moment.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 2002.
Alright, dirty bombs.
I watched CNN And I do want to note, by the way, what's going on in Denver.
My God.
What is it?
70,000 acres now are on fire.
This fire is headed to Denver, and I just heard somebody on AP Network News, which I happen to monitor before the program, say that nothing that man has is going to stop this fire.
It threatens to require the evacuation of 40,000 of you in Denver.
40,000!
Good Lord!
That nothing man has right now, it's plume driven, they're saying, and nothing we have will stop it.
It will destroy everything in its path.
So, God save you all there in Denver.
God, evil fire, evil, evil fire.
Anyway, all day long today on CNN, they were having varying experts on, on the subject of Dirty Bombs, and I watched a whole lot of the coverage, and Dirty Bomb is not a nuclear detonation.
That's the first thing you need to know, and that's certainly true.
It is not a nuclear detonation.
Steve Quayle, welcome to the program.
It's not a nuclear detonation, but what is it?
Well, basically, a dirty bomb is conventional high explosives wrapped with nuclear material that doesn't create fission or atomic explosion, but basically creates a massive amount of radioactive pollution.
And the interesting thing about the whole story all day long is that, you know, this Jose Padilla, they haven't really brought out the fact that he was arrested almost 30 days ago.
So the question has to be asked first and foremost for the listeners, Why today an Ashcroft made the announcement from obviously no better place than Moscow.
I think what people need to understand is that Osama Bin Laden is basically on record as wanting to take down the financial infrastructure of the United States.
So Washington and New York ultimately come up on the target screen as being the most potential
targets with a radiological instrument. A dirty bomb art according to a
lot of the atomic physicists out there could probably kill somewhere between
50 and 70 thousand people dependent upon the amount of conventional explosives
used or high explosives and the... And a lot of that, Steven, would be
due to long-term radiation death? They're talking pretty much initial radiation death.
Really?
The secondary radiation deaths would be in the couple hundred thousand, but our... Oh my god, uh, now wait a minute.
There are, you know, I watch CNN, and there are varying degrees of radiation you could have up to probably the worst of it all, and that would be, say, the spent fuel rods of a nuclear reactor, which they went out of their way on the networks to suggest are very safe.
uh... that uh... nobody could uh... really get their you know that's really rotten dirty bad bad bad plutonium very bad plutonium is one of the most poisonous substances in the world and you're talking about uh... the former soviet union not having very good controls so i think that people need to understand that you know spent uh... reactor rods are one thing but when you've got absolute uh... you know plutonium-39 you have a poisonous substance that has a half-life of Twenty-some thousand years, and the point that most people don't recognize is, again, giving the prevailing winds a time of day and the amount of underlying explosives.
I think that people have got to understand that the economic ramifications, you would pretty much poison D.C.
Obviously, everyone's going to have to move out of there.
And the same thing with New York.
You know, I think Osama bin Laden has gone more than on record.
You could poison an entire city and make it unlivable?
I think that's... See, now they're not really saying these kinds of things... They don't want to tell it like it is, are they?
...on the networks.
They're just not saying that.
They're saying that it would kill relatively few people.
Right.
They're saying that they probably couldn't get high-grade radioactive materials, and you're saying that's bunk.
That's a bunch of crap, and I'll tell you why.
Both Senator Nunn and Lugar both went to the former Soviet Union in the early 90s to basically help them get a handle on all of the weapons-grade uranium and plutonium proliferation, and Istanbul, Turkey is kind of like the international bazaar for Absolutely.
materials or radioactive materials and so you know what i i what i really resent
is that the talking heads you know it's almost ad nauseam are you suggesting
steven that you could go to istanbul and turkey and uh... with enough money
you could buy weapons grade plutonium absolutely you really think that's true
i really think that's true and i'll tell you are not only do i think it's true how
much money would you Do you have a guess?
I mean, suppose... Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, the numbers are out there.
I mean... Suppose somebody went and said, look, I want enough really good weapons-grade plutonium to make a dirty bomb.
What's that probably going to cost me?
Probably, you're looking at a million.
A million dollars?
Yep.
Five million will buy you... Five to ten will buy you a fissionable weapon, so you're probably looking at about a million bucks.
Oh my God, 5 to 10 million for one that will detonate as a nuke?
Yep.
You see, this is something that people don't understand.
The former Soviet Union lost in excess of 200,000 of its scientists, meaning lost.
They didn't die, but they went all over the world to Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, China.
And with them not only went the technology and their expertise, but a lot of them basically brought the goody bag, okay?
And what's interesting is that one of the most famous defectors in the history of the Soviet Union, a guy by the name of Mitrokhin, who was a KGB archivist, this was big news several years ago, Basically hand copied a lot of the notes that were in the KGB archives that told where all of these, a lot of these pre-positioned nuclear stockpiles of actual fissionable weapons were located.
And this is a story that Louis Freeh was asked about.
And that Representative Kurt Weldon of Pennsylvania actually had congressional hearings on, but, you know, everybody just let it all slide.
So I think it's kind of, again, ridiculous to assume that we're going to get the real story on the news, because quite candidly, you know, you thought we heard it all day long.
Well, it's not really going to be that bad.
It's not going to be really bad.
Well, why then is Congress and the Senate concerned with relocating 1,000 miles away from Washington, D.C.? ?
You see, it's not... Don't listen to what they say.
I know.
Watch what they do.
I know.
And you know, this is something that really makes me crazy.
Let me read you a direct quote from one of the Al-Qaeda spokesmen today, okay?
This guy's name is Suleiman Bugat, and if I pronounce his name wrong, so what?
Yeah, right.
Where is he?
Yeah, here's what it says.
Yeah, where is he?
Oh, he is basically hanging out in Pakistan, and he's the official spokesman, evidently, for Al-Qaeda now.
All right, go ahead.
Okay, listen to this.
So we have the right to kill 4 million Americans, including 1 million children, displace double that figure, and injure and cripple hundreds of thousands.
We have the right to fight you by chemical and biological weapons so that you catch the fatal and unusual diseases that Muslims have caught due to their uh... meaning u.s. chemical and biological weapons he
basically is saying and this was on the camp
that we have the right to do everything in our power and this is a declaration
of war and i think that's what the talking heads on t d don't get
it's kind of like their spectators and i think you know
did they just don't get the fact that this is this is a statement
They're saying, we're going to come, we're going to get you guys and we'll use everything possible.
And I think that's what the scary thing is because, again, the economic factors of a dirty bomb, a radiological bomb, what would happen, let's say, if it hit Wall Street?
Well, you know what would happen.
We'd be in big, big trouble.
In fact, a good portion of New York City could be poisoned so badly, you're telling me, that it would virtually have to be evacuated?
Yes, sir, that's what I'm telling you.
And this stuff could last as long as 20,000 years?
Well, some of the radioactive isotopes have a half-life.
That wouldn't be the case functionally, but you're talking...
Look at Chernobyl.
That's a good example, and that wasn't half as dirty as a radiological bomb would be.
Remember that Russia had to move everyone out of the Ukraine pretty much in the immediate vicinity of Chernobyl, and they're dealing with the after effects.
I'm not saying it'll last 20,000 years, but it would mean that it would be virtually uninhabitable for a number of years.
My God.
Big news.
The political ramifications, the economic ramifications of something like that in Washington or New York, you couldn't calculate them.
You couldn't calculate them, Stephen.
It would put us on our knees and they're vowing, you're telling us they're vowing to do exactly that.
You know, I've asked on this program, and I'll ask again, if you've got somebody coming after you like this, if the barbarians are right at the gate, and their only care, their only intent is to kill you, as Stephen Quayle has just outlined, I mean, that's what they just said.
That's a Reuters article.
What they want to do is kill us.
Reuters?
Yep, Reuters.
Okay, so, under these conditions, it seems to me, you kill them first.
Easier said than done, maybe, but that's what I think we ought to do, is kill them first.
Well, I think the thing is, you issue them an ultimatum.
The first weapon of mass destruction, or the first biological release that they, you know, initiate, basically Mecca and Medina will cease to exist.
And that's important because, you know, obviously this is a religious war in some of their minds, and the bottom line is, if they're saying, we're going to kill you, and I I'm trying to get those in my audience to understand this as well.
We talk about a lot of things on this program, even up to and including what's called unconditional love, but these are people who want to kill us.
Dead, dead, dead.
Ruin one of our cities, destroy America as we know it.
I would even go this far.
You know, you're saying any sort of additional attack.
I think there's already been enough done to us, and we should just kill them.
Well, I'm with you on that, and I went on record, and a lot of people called me a warmonger.
I know.
Let's talk to you about it real quick.
We've got smallpox now that's broken out.
I'm going to tie this into the whole... Oh, you got hold of that article.
I saw that article over the weekend.
Right.
It's unbelievable.
It's not... It is true.
I'm not trying to mean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever, which is in another part of Iran.
This is actual smallpox.
Smallpox.
I know.
It's the damnedest thing.
Why isn't that story bigger?
Well, I think it's not bigger because, see, again, when we talked the first time about the Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, which is in the family of Ebola, you remember when we caused a stir internationally, when we crashed, your listeners went to the Jane's website and just took it down because there were so many people wanting to get that story on Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever that had basically broken out in certain parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran.
It's my estimation, Art, that these guys have Gotten hold of me now.
Qaeda, the Taliban, all those Muslim Jihadites, the ones that absolutely want the death of the West, and they're testing this stuff.
And unfortunately, the Center for Disease Control made a statement today, well, gee, we haven't heard anything about that.
Well, listen, where can people read the story on Smallpox, please?
They can go to my website, you know, www.stevequayle.com.
We've got a link up right now on my website.
Listen, we've got to tell them, because otherwise...
Believe me, I'll get a million emails, so let's tell them how to get there.
Go to my website, Artbell.com, under Program Tonight's Guest Info, you'll see the name, Steven Quayle, you will see a link to his website.
Right.
SteveQuayle.com, and you say you have the news story there.
Right, they just go on the diseases, they hit the news alert button, that'll take them to the disease section, it's a topic, they just click on it, it's one of the top two stories.
This is big news, Art.
This is the biggest news in the world, because remember when they were feeding us that horse manure in the national press?
Okay, where do I go here?
I'm on your website right now, and it's got a big Q Factor there.
Right, okay, now click on that.
Oh, on the Q itself?
Yeah.
The big Q, okay, I'm there.
Takes you to News Alert over on the left, flashing red.
Oh, flashing red, yes.
Yep, we've got to have it flashing red.
Okay.
Okay, then you'll go to the main directory.
There are categories.
Yes.
And go to the Diseases, Human and Animal.
Disease is human and animal.
It's about the third block down on the right.
Ah, let's see.
One, two, three.
You know, I wonder if I hit the right place.
You should have World War III nuclear biological chemical on the left.
No, I've got, I'm on the news alerts page.
Right.
Okay, and then you see all the different categories?
Yes, oh sure.
Okay, then just go over to the right, and it's just over there.
It says Animal and Human Diseases.
Animal and Human Diseases.
Disease and Agro-Terrorism.
There you go, that's it.
Okay, it's Disease and Agro-Terrorism.
Right.
Click on.
Oh yeah, okay.
Here we are.
Smallpox epidemic rapidly spreading in Pakistan province.
Right.
Here it is.
This is astounding news.
I thought smallpox was eradicated.
Well, that's what we've been told, and if it has been eradicated, then the simple question has to be asked.
If it has been eradicated through the official party lines, then obviously someone's got it, and it's been released somehow.
And the point is that it points to, again, the very statement I just read from the Reuters article that they say they have a right to attack us.
What is this?
I don't see any attribution on this for where it came from.
That came from the Pakistani News Service.
There's a whole bunch of articles on that same page on the Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever.
I want to differentiate for your listeners.
We're talking about three different diseases.
We're also talking about Hemorrhagic smallpox that leaves people pretty much totally blackened because of the ruptured blood vessels, which is what Ken Albeck, former defector from the Soviet Union, you know, head of their bioweapons engineering program, talked about.
And we've got an outbreak of hemorrhagic smallpox in that part of the world, too.
Hemorrhagic smallpox.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I'm going to do a little reading about this during the break.
Smallpox spreading in a Pakistan province.
Smallpox.
Hemorrhagic smallpox.
Holy moly.
This is one strange world to live in today.
Isn't it?
I'm Art Bell, and from the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 10th, 2002.
I'm not the only one saying that we should preemptively kill these people.
You know, they call it a preemptive strike.
But here you are, the President himself today actually made the case for preemptive strikes against terrorists that seek weapons of mass destruction for use against the U.S.
and other nations.
That's interesting.
Other nations.
Quote.
Here's the President.
Quote.
With the spread of chemical and biological and nuclear weapons, along with ballistic missile technology, freedom's enemies could attain catastrophic power.
He went on, there's no doubt they would use that power to attack us.
We will oppose the new totalitarians with all our power.
End quote.
That's the President of the United States earlier today.
And that's basically another way of saying we should kill them before they kill us.
That's what he said.
Stephen?
Well, I agree with that, and I think that we're going to have to make and take the drastic steps necessary and quit being worried about what's politically correct.
You know, just talking about the economic ramifications of a dirty nuke or radiological bomb, let's say, in New York City, I mean, it would affect everything, Art, from obviously travel, trade, transportation.
And I mean, it would set us back to the point where it would be very difficult to recover, not to mention foreign investors would pull out.
I mean, we would become the pariah.
So I think we either proactively take our stand and go for it now, or basically we are going to get hammered big time.
My definition of hammered big time is that we'll have to deal with all the worst case scenarios.
And you know, here's the thing.
People can either, you know, they can become active and they can do as much as they can do, and I'd like to share with you one of the things I think that people should get into a habit of doing, maybe, is getting to the place where they become way more alert.
You know, I want to set up something called the American Radioactive Alert Network and have people around the country, especially people by nuclear power plants, you know, who have radioactive instrumentation like Geiger counters and survey meters, to be able to take readings art and then feed into a website that people can see for instance if there's any increase in background radiation also put the terrorists on notice listen there's I'm just making this up now two to five thousand people out there with radiation monitors look the government can't do it they can't be in all places at all times and you know when you've got the Ahmed and all the different people out there saying that there will just can't wait to set up radiological weapon the point is is that by monitoring
You know, all the different areas that just the average Joe American could monitor.
He could take his life back into his own hands and really have a feel like he's not just out there waiting for something to happen, but he's proactive in helping.
Let me ask you this, Stephen.
If our government, let's just say, had knowledge that a group or a person was about to detonate a really dirty bomb in one of our major cities, New York, Chicago, Washington, whatever.
L.A.?
Whatever.
If they had information of that specific kind, and they thought they couldn't stop whoever was about to do it, do you think they would give a specific warning to evacuate a city?
No, I don't think so.
Because I think, first of all, they would if they knew that they had a time reference to it.
In other words, they knew that they had eight hours or something.
Let's say they got specific intelligence that a device was in New York City, and the device was going to go off in eight hours.
In place, yeah.
Yeah, in place.
They could do it.
I would say this, that the bottom line is that's the basis of FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency's crisis relocation.
The question is, would the bureaucrats have the, you know, the, what would you say, guts to do it, or would they be worried, well, what happens if it doesn't go off?
Well, that's what they'd be worried about, because if you said something like that about New York or Washington, you'd obviously create such panic that you would have probably a predictable number of deaths that would number thousands, I'll bet, because it would be a stampede and it would be just, it would be horrible, and so it would be a very Very hard decision.
Oh, it'd be a very difficult decision, but, you know, I think that, again, that people need to recognize that there is a computer program out that the Defense Department has called CATS, C-A-T-S, that's Consequence Assessment Toolset, and basically they factor in everything that you just said, from how many people would die from, you know, rushing, be crushed, panic, you know, heart attacks, etc., etc.
But the thing that people have got to understand is that they have got to put pressure on their Congressmen and Senators saying, I don't want to be the fish in a barrel just waiting for somebody with an attitude to shoot me.
I want you guys to become proactive, and I think that's what the President basically is saying, and I think he's giving everybody a heads up, and I think we're going to see that, and we have to see that.
I wouldn't want to have to make that kind of decision, and it could be just around the corner, too.
I don't know, and I guess nobody really knows, how well Al-Qaeda is set up inside the U.S.
Now, there was this arrest, would you point out, you say it was actually 30 days ago?
Is that what you just said?
May 8th.
Why in the hell are they just telling us about this on June 10th?
Well, I think the reason is that they needed something to show that with all the disarray between the intelligence communities, you know, and quote, connecting the dots, they needed a victory.
They needed a victory.
And by the way, you know, they're still trying to connect the dots.
And we're like tonight on your show, we're painting on the Mona Lisa.
Well, no, no, I would say that, you know, the thing is, is that understand that bureaucracy is its own worst enemy because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
And then everybody's got a turf war, and I tell them, you guys better quit fighting over your turf.
Maybe the Mona Lisa if you've learned to love the bomb.
Yes!
Or, you know, or basically it's Dr. Strangelove.
That's more like it.
Late night radio.
That's more like it, Dr. Strangelove.
But I think, you know, one of the things that I want to recommend, too, a really important book.
I didn't write it, okay?
So, and you've had Philip Hogue on your show before?
Oh, of course.
No Such Thing as Doomsday is probably He has a great statement.
Some people worry, others prepare.
And it is the best book out there.
I know Philip.
The guy has absolutely done a superb job and you know that that is the best book that's available on our website.
It's called No Such Thing as Doomsday and Philip takes in all of the different scenarios but basically what we're trying to tell people is with more knowledge they can act and they can think more clearly and they hopefully can get themselves and others out of harm's way.
Well, what's reasonable preparation, I suppose from your point of view, iodine and gas masks
and that sort of thing?
Well, you know, potassium iodide, look, listen to this, it's stupid.
I think Washington gave out two potassium iodate tablets to the people that were concerned.
You know, the standard dose for adults is one tablet per day.
Excuse me, two tablets per day.
Child, one tablet per day.
And the deal is, is that any absolute, you know, it's going to be absolutely incredible that if there is a major, you know, attack or incident at a nuclear power plant, people are going to need that stuff.
So what does it hurt?
Well, Jim, I wanted to ask you, because in standard doses, how much protection does that afford you?
Well, first of all, that only protects your thyroid, okay, against the absorption of radioactive iodine, which is a byproduct.
But the thing is, is that most people, you know, even if I lived in the city, I would certainly find out, and there was a potential for, you know, a nuclear incident.
I'd certainly find out where the old, when I say old, because there are no new, civil defense shelters.
In order to protect yourself from the radiation, you're going to have to be putting barrier material between you, meaning concrete.
You know, you have to basically protect yourself from ionizing radiation.
Given the fact that most people can't do that, I want to go back to your question about where are the terrorists in this country.
Listen, we're wide open.
What I was going to ask you, and I'm sure you don't have the answer to this, and nobody does, here we've had these arrests.
There was another person involved with this man who was also arrested, by the way.
Right.
But I wonder, do you have any ideas, Stephen?
How many Al-Qaeda might be here?
Does anybody know?
Well, let me share this.
According to one of the, you know, a very interesting gentleman who actually is a Muslim who does not believe in Jihad, he says there are 1,200 Mosques in the United States, and he basically is claiming that it's literally, you know, of Al-Qaeda and sleeper cells that They type in with or are connected with our... He's literally claiming that there are tens of thousands.
Those are his numbers, not mine.
So you've got the potential for some big... You saw the threats, didn't you?
The FBI talked about scuba diving shots over the weekend.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, and see what people don't understand.
You don't have to blow up... Well, you don't have to blow up a nuclear reactor.
They've got to monitor even the cold water input into especially the reactors around the coast.
Okay, but here's a problem, Stephen.
There are a lot of mosques in this country, and we are a nation that allows people to have their religion, and as this worsens, there's going to be prejudice, there's going to be irrational acts against mosques and that sort of thing, if people begin to believe that it's endemic, that where you find mosques, you find terrorists.
I hope to God, and I trust it is not so, and that most mosques are just a place of religion.
It just scares me that people will begin to act irrationally.
I agree with that, and I think therefore, Art, I've talked to a couple federal agents in You're telling me that our own, even with this reorganization, they just went through this big reorganization, right?
and they basically said if they give our supervisors don't let us go after the
bad guys the very scenario your painting will come to pass if they
arrest the bad guys then the innocence won't have to suffer
you follow what i'm saying they're specifically saying that they're here you're
telling you're telling me that our own even with this reorganization they just went
through this big reorganization right uh... but i would address in
the gas so
so we shouldn't feel comforted uh...
You're telling me that the street-level operative is saying their hands are so tied that if they're not set loose to do what they have to do, the probability of an incident is inevitable?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Because you know, you've got, remember this, the rank and file guys, the good, hardworking... Would you care to name your, don't name your source, don't give me a name, but I mean, can you tell me what agency this source is in?
Just federal law enforcement.
Oh my God.
And so here's the thing, you know, the point is, is that they always take the heat.
You know, but the supervisors, look, it's standard operating procedure for most of these guys to have to declare, you know, who they're monitoring.
And the biggest story in the country right now, are you familiar with the Federal Security Investigation Court or FISA?
No.
You know, it's basically a seven-judge court that the FBI and the different federal agencies go to to get their subpoenas to wiretap.
The terrorists and all that?
Yes.
Well, there's a story that broke on multiple news services.
East of the Rockies, call toll free 1-800-825-5033.
Freedomnews.com, and it's also... Okay, rather than specify that, let's just tell them where they can find that story.
What is it?
Americanfreedomnews.com?
Yeah, and it's also on my website.
They can just go to my website.
Alright, that's fine.
And what I'm trying to say, though, Art, is the thing is that If the very court that oversees the intelligence requests for wiretaps is basically... You don't have to go any further.
It's obvious.
So let them go to the website and read about that.
So you're suggesting to the average person listening tonight that if they're in a likely target city, they take What specific steps?
Well, first of all, if they're in a target city, you know, they basically, and they can go to, again, my website, because remember we talked about, the last time I was on your show, we showed 120 cities that the FBI has pointed out as the most likely terrorist target cities.
Yes.
Well, the point is that if they're in those cities, then definitely, with the expressed desire of Al-Qaeda and the different terrorist groups to make their presence known, I could certainly suggest to them that they take, you know, personal Civil defense measures, you know, the thing, obviously, potassium iodide, iodate, if you're around a nuclear reactor, and obviously, if you believe that the nuclear threat is real, which I do, then they can go out and get themselves a radiation monitor, because, you know, that's how America used to live during the Cold War, and everybody had one of those little yellow boxes, you remember those?
Yes, listen, I remember the old days, trust me.
Yeah, I know, that makes us old, doesn't it?
We start talking about the old days.
Yeah, the old Cold War days.
Around Cuba, I was in the Air Force at that time, so I remember it real well, Steve.
But I think the thing is, is that, again, what they need to do, what people need to do, is be aware, and they can put pressure on the Congressmen, the Senators and stuff, you know?
I mean, no offense, but if the silent majority doesn't wake up and start to raise their voices, they will be the dead majority.
I'll tell you, you know they've got the dead majority.
I've got this I've got this controversy going, actually the major media does right now, about how awful it is that we're holding this American citizen, who's been declared the enemy, without bail, without consultation of attorney, without rights.
We have just simply declared him to be an enemy soldier, more or less, and we're going to hold him As long as we need to, maybe forever, extracting information from him without having benefit of the normal constitutional rights other American citizens would have, and I'm sure you've seen them raging on about that during the day today.
Oh, absolutely.
How do you feel about that?
Well, I think it's a waste of time and effort.
Basically, someone is planning a radiological release in the United States that's going to kill, you know, 10,000 minimum, 70,000, 80,000, Maximum one of the standard release, the bottom line is, is that he's obviously an enemy, and you know, I'm surprised they just don't take the guy out and shoot him.
Well, they probably want information.
After that, you know, they have a hundred people, supposedly, that were, you know, captured of al-Qaeda, Taliban, etc.
Yet, why again, after 30 days, do they now just bring it out, we just answered that?
And I think the other thing that people need to ask themselves, why?
Why do they not go after the source?
We know the source of Al-Qaeda and Taliban is hanging out in Pakistan.
And instead of trying to ride the fence, we need to tear the fence down and grab the bad guys.
A lot of them have moved, I've heard, into Kashmir.
Yep.
They have, and that's the whole real problem.
Because, you know, if you remember the story about two years ago, Bin Laden made the statement that he controlled Pakistan's nukes.
And that made a lot of people mad, but the ISI, the Intelligence Service of Pakistan, is known to have their allegiance with him.
So Musharraf is fighting kind of a dual front war.
He's got an internal strife, and it was obviously Al-Qaeda that put up the attack on the Indian Parliament.
So, you know, who's got the most to benefit by, you know, releasing... By the way, I still don't believe the Pakistan and India thing has gotten less... How much of Al-Qaeda do you think we have crushed?
One percent.
Are you serious?
I'm serious.
You know, I've talked to servicemen and had guys call and say, you know, their parents and their parents have called me and said, listen, my son says when you see the reports that they killed two or three hundred, they're lucky to find two or three.
And that that's what I think is really, really wrong.
We're getting we're getting lies.
Yet the issues demand the truth.
You remember when this whole thing started, that we were told right out, we're not going to get much information?
Then it went to, we're going to have a whole department of disinformation, the Pentagon, the people got up.
Yeah, I remember.
You know, so the point that I'm saying is that, to answer your question specifically, let's say less than 1%.
God, that's incredible.
I mean, because the average American thinks we pretty well, you know, we saw the tanks blow up with pieces flying everywhere, and we had pictures of that sort of thing, and And you're saying, I mean that's one mindset, what we see on TV and what we hear, and what you're saying is really radically different.
That's what the guys in the field say.
You know, and I think the interesting thing is there is that most people would just be aghast at the fact that prior to us going into Afghanistan, Pakistan basically, Musharraf leased the giant Russian transports and Al-Qaeda and Taliban were literally flown out of Afghanistan into specific areas of Pakistan.
That was on, you know, one of the biggest news sources out of the Middle East.
Do you think that there's an active way that our government is controlling the American press?
I mean, somehow or another, so that the kind of information you're saying is true doesn't make it?
I would say absolutely.
How do they do that?
How do they do that?
First of all, if you notice the repetition of the stories, it almost gets ad nauseum.
It's continual.
Bottom line is they have a lot of power.
They control all the licenses through the FCC.
They have their people that they, you know, basically can say, hey, we want this story run.
Stephen, listen, we're out of time.
I'm having you back.
I'm having you back real soon.
All right?
Okay.
Thanks for being here tonight on the Dirty Bomb Thing.
Thank you, Art.
And people can also, may I get my phone number?
Yeah, I'll go ahead real quick.
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Correct.
Welcome back.
It's been a long, long time.
Gosh, it's been a long time, Gordon.
Yes.
This is our annual get-together.
About annual, I guess that's about what we do.
It's inevitable.
I added a station tonight in Akron, Ohio.
We're way over 500 affiliates now strong.
A lot of people will never have heard your voice before.
And I guess it's incumbent on us to give them the quick 101 of what happened to you.
In other words, why you're here tonight, why you're able to see the future.
Why you're able to do things that other people think are impossible.
Something happened to you and I guess you have to describe it a little bit.
Okay.
In the seventies, my life's work was involved in electronics.
Specifically, satellite was really coming into its own.
Especially satellite video.
And video studios were really starting to develop.
I was kind of on that edge of that work space.
I was living in Florida.
I had decided that as a New Englander that I was constantly being drawn to a very specific place in Florida.
I would go down there for vacations and the draw was so strong that I eventually moved there.
Pretty much the perfect life.
I had bought a sailboat, one that I could live on, and I had a... Oh, you were living on a sailboat?
Yeah, I had a 30... Rough life.
Yeah, I had a 31-foot Irwin sailboat, and it was a sloop, and so it was a liveaboard, and I had... Was that fun?
It was, yeah, it's part of my life that, you know, it's an indelible memory.
I think a lot of things were going on You know, psychically at that time, which I was unaware of, which is probably one of the reasons why I needed to be near the large body of water, and specifically near this particular location, which was the west coast of Florida, where the sand is almost pure crystal, which is the Sarasota area of Florida.
So it was a very dynamic area, though I had no awareness of metaphysics or really anything.
I mean, I was a typical business person who was into electronics.
I know it well.
Had a pretty good size boat and was in the Sarasota area, so I know it very well, Gordon.
Yeah, it's a beautiful area.
But living on a boat full-time, that's kind of fun.
Full-time, I had an office on land, so my boat was, you know, I was still tethered to a dock.
Oh, okay.
And you were a business person?
I was a business person.
My background was acting as a designer and as a consultant.
Um, so it was, you know, it was technical.
Everything was technical.
Things you could measure, things you could see, things you could build correct.
You know, it was something that I understood and I could control.
You know, if something didn't work, you would diagnose it and you go through it with test equipment and eventually you figure out what the problem is and it's fixed.
You're still a ham operator, right?
Still am, although I'm not as active as I would like to be, though I'm trying to, uh, Open up more time for myself and my family.
Well, when you figure that part out, let's make a schedule like on 18 or 20 meters or something, and we'll talk.
Sure.
Anyway, so you were giving an address, I believe, to a group of businessmen, maybe one of the most important addresses that you had given in your business history.
You were, what, seeking funds for your company, or what were you trying to do?
It was a group of educators who I was making a proposal for a system.
It was to design and install a significant, it was probably the largest contract of my career up to that point, represented in gross dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So it was a very significant contract and I finally had the groups all together in one place and I was going through this proposal of how they could You know, using video and using satellite, how they could operate in an educational sense.
And, you know, things were going well.
I mean, it was perfect.
I mean, you know, here again, you know, the temperature that day, I remember, was fairly warm.
It was probably in the 80s, and it was just a beautiful day.
And I remember I could look outside of my window and see the Gulf Coast.
It was a perfect setting.
Everybody was relaxed.
The next thing I know is I'm in mid-sentence.
I cannot speak.
You're up on a podium delivering an address.
It's not really a podium, but it was like a conference room that we had set up for this purpose.
We have a small audience, and I'm sitting in front of a table, and I've got flip charts.
I'm about to do the introduction and I can't talk.
You can't talk?
Really?
It's like you open your mouth and nothing comes out?
Yeah, it was just like... At first, it didn't startle me.
I just thought I'd better get some water.
It's not uncommon to drink a lot of water in Florida.
I was dry.
Remember, I reached over because everybody had water, and I remember I drank a glass of water, and I could drink, so it wasn't like there was an obstruction in my throat.
I drank the water, and then I proceeded to try to pick up where I left off, and I still couldn't speak.
Not a sound?
Not a sound.
I couldn't even get a guttural thing, and this is when panic really sets in, and I noticed that in the front row, a few of the people there were They were just sitting there and looking at me and leaning forward and I could tell that everybody wanted to get up and help me somehow.
They probably thought you were choking or having a stroke or a heart attack or something.
The thought that later the discussions were that they thought that I was having a stroke and at that time I was in my thirties and so it wasn't uncommon.
This group was all that same age group.
Um, one of the people up in front had lost a brother-in-law to a stroke.
Um, so he was very concerned.
And I remember people just coming over to me and I'm saying, you know, and I just could not speak and I'm holding my throat and so everybody thinks I've got something in my throat.
Of course.
And so somebody immediately goes over and calls the police department and I get somebody over there and I'm trying to calm them down with my hands and just, you know, So I'm there, I don't know what's wrong, you know, but as a technologist, you know, I immediately go through this little quick list of things that, you know, what could be wrong?
You know, I know I've got nothing in my throat and I'm feeling this dryness and, you know, I don't get it.
I don't get what's wrong, but I'm really comfortable.
I remember I had a piece of paper and I just wrote a few sentences down to the people that were there and saying, you know, I'm sorry for I don't know what's wrong, but I don't feel any pain, and I'm not sure what this is.
I remember we were just babbling on for a couple of sentences, and the next thing you know, within minutes, they were there.
The police?
Yeah, they sent a fire rescue team, actually.
It was a fire department case.
And off I go to the hospital.
I go inside and immediately a whole bunch of people come over because the word that's gotten back to them via the radio is that here's somebody coming in who has a problem with his throat.
These people are thinking something's got my throat.
They've got lights.
There's a team of people here, maybe four or five.
They're all looking around me.
I'm trying to stay calm as I can because I'm thinking, Keep blood pressure down.
Keep your breathing down.
Smart.
I'm trying to think of all the things that would not cause whatever I have to get worse.
And so, you know, the doctor says to me, you know, he's talking to me and I'm nodding so I can hear.
He asked me questions and I would nod back and forth.
So they immediately send me up and they start taking pictures.
So they're getting these x-rays and different things.
I remember they put some kind of fluid in me, too, and took a whole bunch of pictures.
And I'm sitting there, and two people never left, two of the physicians there, or aides, or whatever, just never left my side.
They were always there, and the pictures come back, and that turns out when he says, we're going to have to keep you for observations.
He says, you know, you say you're not in pain.
We don't know what to do.
We don't know what to give you.
We don't say anything wrong.
It's here.
We're going to bring in some specialists.
We're going to keep you overnight.
And we're going to bring in some specialists here to look at you.
And so in my head I'm thinking, specialists?
What's a specialist?
Eye, ears, nose, doctor?
I don't know what, but I'm hearing specialists.
So anyway, I go up into this room, and I'm in a room.
There's another bed in the room.
This is probably around, by this time it's probably around 9 or 10 o'clock, 9 o'clock at night.
I'm just sitting in there and I'm going through my mind.
I get a notebook out and I'm trying to write down some thoughts in this notebook.
One of the things I'm writing down is about this meeting I just had.
I said, I better draft a letter real quick and get this letter back to these people so they don't think I'm squirreling.
One of the things I've learned in business is that if people think that you're ill or there's a problem, they tend to Stay away, or back off.
Sure.
And other people want to help, but it's usually because of fear, they just want to back off.
And so I wrote some notes down about that, and I'm waiting, and the nurses come in, and they bring in two bottles, two IV bottles on a stand, one on either side of the bed, and they hook me up to this thing, and I'm thinking, uh-oh, now they're giving me stuff.
And at first they said they didn't know what to give me, now they're giving me these things.
Something.
So I've got these two bottles in me, and I'm sitting down there, and there's a TV in the room, and the TV is running the local news, and it's up on the wall.
And I asked them, I said, well, what is this?
And they said, the doctor will be in to talk to you.
There's somebody who will be in here to talk to you.
Not to worry.
You know, you'll be doing some tests in the morning.
Boy, if they put a needle in my arm with a couple IVs, I'd definitely want to know what's going on.
Yeah, well, here's the point, you know, I cannot, I can't even, you know, I can't make guttural sounds.
I can make absolutely no sound.
Nothing.
Next thing, you know, I know is that, you know, the 11 o'clock news is on.
We're seeing the news and watching the news and I'm sitting there and I'm still writing my little, my notebook about the meeting and I've got that drafted and I'm also making some other notes about What could possibly... So I did a little flowchart.
Like, as you know, when you're trying to troubleshoot something, you make a little flowchart of what the problems may be.
If this works, go here.
I do it all the time, yeah.
Yeah.
So I've got this little flowchart.
And unfortunately, my flowchart always seems to be ending up with something wrong with my brain.
And so I'm looking at my flowchart, and my own little data is suggesting that I've got a problem, a control problem.
I'm figuring that it's something in my brain that's controlling this, because there's You know, there's nothing else that I could see there.
And so I'm getting a little nervous.
Well, you'd probably be thinking brain tumor?
Question mark?
Stroke was the first thing that I, because of the age, I figured, you know, this is the, you know, here it is, you know, business, you know, working, you know, down there, you work really long, hard hours for long time periods.
And then you have several months off where I could go sailing.
So I have my life schedule that I'd work 18, 20 hour days for a month and then I would have time off and then I'd just go sailing.
That's kind of the lifestyle that I had and I wanted.
So I'm thinking that I pushed it and it could be something wrong in my brain is where I ended up with thinking.
So the next thing I know is television is on and all of a sudden I start to see lights in the room and I look up and I'm looking down.
The end where the door was closed to the room.
And I'm figuring that there's some kind of equipment out of the hallway, because the lights are kind of purple, and they're kind of fluorescent-y.
And I'm looking out there, and I just peek up over my notebook, and I'm looking at it.
And I look at the television, and I said, well, I don't know what this is.
And I just didn't pay attention at first.
The next thing I know is that this purple and blue light kind of is now pouring into the room.
And so I kind of Back up a bit, and I'm looking, and it looks like a mist of just light, but it's at the end where the door is, and now I cannot see the door because this color is blocking the door.
That bright.
And so I kind of dig in a little bit, and I'm thinking, I'm saying, this may not be good.
This is a fire.
There's some kind of a fire going on out here.
So I reach over for the nurse call button, and as I do that, I'm I'm pulling one of the IV bottles.
It's rocking back and forth on a stand, on a stainless steel stand that these bottles hang on.
So I reach back to stabilize the one bottle, and the other one started going.
Because now I'm a little bit frantic.
And then the nurse called a button.
Off it goes, and that goes down on the floor.
So I've got these two bottles tugging at my arm, and I stabilize them.
And the next thing I know is that at the end of my bed, this light has become a ball about the size of a basketball.
And it's kind of I don't know.
It's blue, purple, indigo color with lots of gold specks around it and it's just dancing
at the end of my bed.
I am at this stage now convinced that there is really something wrong with my brain.
I'm saying, this has got to be a hallucination.
I look around the room.
I don't see the television is still on.
It's not the end of the world.
I can't talk.
I can't yell.
I can't get the nurse call button.
All of a sudden the ball kind of dissipates and an image appears.
The first image appears is a picture of a pyramid.
All of a sudden the pyramid expands from the small basketball size.
Over my bed and the whole width of the room becomes images.
It's like watching a projector of images.
I can look to the right and I can see Images of ancient pyramids, but they were in pristine new condition, like they were just built.
And then I looked over to the left, and I could see strange cigar-shaped craft flying in the air.
And then these images would change, and colors would come in, and certain strange symbols would come in, and they would increase in speed, and every second or two the images would change.
And this just flashed and flashed and flashed.
I am now, you know, almost to the point of terror, but all of a sudden I get this little flash in my head that it's got to be these IVs.
Whatever's in the IVs, I'm just having a reaction to it.
That's what I would probably conclude, yes.
And I find myself kind of calming down a bit, looking at it, and at that instant, it's like a switch.
All the images went away.
It just popped, and then all of a sudden, at the end of my bed... Hold it, hold it right there.
All of a sudden has a really good place to break it.
All of a sudden.
This is an amazing story you're hearing.
And it's all extremely well documented, by the way.
Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
And what you're going to hear tonight is going to be very worrisome to you, just like First Hour was in its own way.
And so, again, I always give this warning that small children probably should be sent off to bed.
They ought to be in bed by this time anyway, but if they're not, send them that way.
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My guest tonight is Gordon Michael Scallion, and we'll be back all of a sudden.
Now, we take you back to the past on Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
I believe we left off at all of a sudden after all this had dissipated.
You said all of a sudden and then I stepped in and stopped you.
All of a sudden what?
The images that had been flashing across the room had just disappeared.
At the end of the bed, just above my feet, the basketball had returned, this glowing purple and indigo blue kind of sphere.
In this sphere, an image appeared.
The image was an image of a woman.
who I've described in my book as someone who might be your first grade or kindergarten
teacher. She had kind of steel gray hair and a very firm looking face, authoritative face.
But it was like looking at a crystal ball and just seeing the person's head.
That was the only part that I could see in the sphere.
Was it an assuring image?
Was it a concerning image?
How did it hit you?
At this point, the images were happening so fast, or had been happening so fast, that there wasn't a time for me to react.
Even thinking consciously about, is this good or bad?
Is this fearful?
I was just drawn to it.
It was kind of like I was a deer with headlights on me.
I don't know how to describe it.
Frozen.
I think it was the quail look.
Yeah, it was mesmerizing.
I mean, I was just totally drawn to it.
And then, all of a sudden, and all during this time, there was no audible sound that I was hearing at all.
Nothing.
I mean, the TV was running, but I could not hear the TV, couldn't see the TV.
It was blocked out.
Couldn't see anything around the bed.
I mean, I couldn't see to the left.
You know, my visions of the door were gone.
I was only aware of a small vision, which was the bed and at the foot of the bed where this image of this woman was.
And all of a sudden, I could hear her talking, and at that point, I didn't know if I was hearing it with my ears or in my mind.
I just know that she was talking to me and she was telling me that I needed to observe and remember.
She kept repeating that phrase.
You must observe and remember.
Then all of a sudden, the images popped back up and I started seeing pictures of the Earth from space looking back down at Earth.
And I could see the Earth rotating fairly quickly.
And then all of a sudden it would kind of zoom in, and I would see parts of North America, which I easily recognized, except that it didn't really look like it does today.
You know, the United States was separated by a waterway.
It was divided into two, Eastern United States and Western United States.
Do you think, Gordon, that you said you saw the Earth, as if from space, rotating pretty rapidly.
Do you think that denoted the passage of time?
It could have.
You know, I have never had that thought in my mind of what... What that meant?
What that meant?
I was so... and I have been for years.
I mean, this happened in 79, so we're talking, you know, 23 years ago.
So it was more of her voice in the image and the instructions, which were so, you know, observe and remember.
But it was happening very, very rapidly.
And I remember thinking, how am I going to remember all of this?
This is impossible.
And then I would see, you know, large waterways in Europe, where, you know, most of Europe and Paris and France and other lands were now waterways.
And as this thing rotated, everything just looked different.
And then the next thing I know is that she's talking in my head again, and those images go away.
And you had no way of really knowing whether you were looking at the future or the past, would you, I guess?
No, I don't think I was.
In fact, I'm sure that my conscious thought at that time was not that this was anything real.
My consciousness thought at that time, I remember, was the IVs.
I'm having some kind of a reaction to the IVs.
I remember just as I started to bring thoughts into my mind about what I had just seen in this woman, the next thing I know is I hear television, which I hadn't heard anything.
And I can hear Ed McMahon saying, here's Johnny.
So you're back.
I'm back.
And so I know it's now, you know, 1130 or 1135 or something like that.
That's right.
And I look around and everything is back to normal.
And I take a deep breath and I go, wow, what a trip this is.
You know, I've got to find out what's in these IV bottles.
And so I started writing down everything that I could remember about the experience.
You know, when it started, what I saw, and there was so much that I knew would be impossible.
But I knew, I just had a sense that in the morning, you know, after my tests, that there was someone who was going to walk in and they were going to say to me, you've got to go see this doctor, and that doctor was going to be a shrink.
You know, I just had that feeling that that's the way this was going to go.
And that perhaps was the worst scenario for me.
Because if it had been something else like, you know, an infected throat, my esophagus, something technical, we can do antibiotics, we can do something to fix it.
But if it's in your brain... Yeah, by now, after these visions, you're going to really probably be locked in on the brain thing.
I'm stuck there and the next thing I know is I just kind of drift off and the next thing I know is I hear the curtains being drawn in the room and the nurses in the room and she comes over to me and she says, she says, good morning and she looks at my chart and she says, good morning Mr. Scallion.
How are you feeling today?
And then she looks down and she says, oh I guess you can't tell me and she says, are you alright?
And I answer her.
I say, yeah, I feel a lot better.
And she says, wow, she says you can speak.
And I said, yeah.
I said, but let me ask you a question.
And I wasn't, you know, I wasn't like excited that I could speak.
It was like, it wasn't a big deal that I could speak again in my mind at the time.
But what was a big deal was to ask her what was in the IVs.
You bet.
She says, look, the doctor will be in and he'll talk to her.
You know, an hour, two hours, wherever it was, later, he comes in, looks at me, and he says, look, we're going to run some more tests with you on here.
I said, well, what was in those bottles?
The nurse said she couldn't tell me.
He says, well, we were really concerned because you have a deep tan, so we know you're outside a lot.
We were concerned you were dehydrated and maybe that was the problem, so we're giving you You know, things to keep you from being dehydrated, but there's nothing else in it.
They were just rehydrating you, that's all?
Yeah.
And all of a sudden I can feel a pit in my stomach that my analysis, my little flow chart analysis that ended up at one place is now going, uh-oh.
It's really back within my brain.
Of course.
They sent me down and they did a few tests.
Sure enough, they said, you know, we want you to go see somebody.
They asked me questions like, do you have any trauma in your life now?
Do you have any financial trauma?
All these questions, a battery of questions, trying to ask me things about, you know, is there anything you're upset about now?
And I thought I had the perfect life.
I have a boat.
I live on the beach.
I'm doing well in business.
Everything seemed to be fine.
They said, well, we want you to go see this other doctor.
And I said, so that was it.
So they said, we're going to discharge you, but we'd like you to come back.
But we do want you to go see this doctor.
And of course, the doctor was a shrink.
A shrink.
So they sent you to a shrink.
So I walk out of the building.
As I'm walking out of the building, it's really bright and I'm aware of it, so I put my sunglasses on.
I'm looking around and all of a sudden I see this man and this dog.
The dog, I remember, was an Irish Setter dog.
He was thrown a frisbee for the dog.
I can remember looking at the dog and seeing all these colors around this dog.
I'm looking at the man and seeing colors around this man.
I'm going, wow.
My throat, my voice, and now I have to open my eyes because something is really wrong here.
I'm seeing colors.
I would look at the palm trees and there were some wild kind of orchids outside.
I can remember just seeing patterns of lights and colors around living things.
So anyways, I go back and I'm feeling really despondent at this point because the only solution I have is to go see the shrink.
I'm not sure I want to do that, but my voice is back to normal.
Everything seems to be fine.
I'm afraid that I could be out.
A lot of times I sail by myself, single-handed.
If you're out several hundred miles and something goes wrong, you've got to make it on your own.
You can call your ship to share a radio, but that could take a long time to get a boat out to you.
That's right.
I explored what those problems would be.
And basically, they wanted me to get involved in a year or two year program for discussing my mother, my father, my brothers and sisters, and just discussing everything in my life and what could be the cause of this.
And finally, I just cut it all off.
I just said, I can't go that route.
And I kind of dismissed it.
I'm still seeing colors around things, but again, I have no background.
I've never read any books on phenomena, so I have no No structure to understand anything that's happening to me, nor do I know anybody in my circle who, you know, I could even talk to about this.
So then even after all this time, you still don't know what happened to you, do you?
No.
In my book, Notes from the Cosmos, I describe some of my thought processes behind it, you know, possibilities.
But even to this day, you know, I'm not sure what it is.
I've had some deep inner communication work where I understand that it was an out-of-body experience.
I understand the mechanism of that.
I understand that what I was being shown was parts of my past lives and parts of my future lives.
But at that time, none of that would have made any sense to me.
It was ten years later.
It's when I really started writing my book that I was able to get more insights, but even today I would have to agree with you.
I'm not positive of what it was.
I just know that a lot of the things that I saw there that were of a futuristic image So, Gordon, it could have been something that did happen to your brain that they wouldn't have the slightest clue about, that some neural pathways suddenly crossed or changed or shorted out or made connections they hadn't made before, who the hell knows, or there could have been something external that caused all of this, period.
I mean, those are the two possibilities, aren't they?
Yes.
I think what happens is that we go along life, and we think that we're either not terribly pleased with our life, or we're worried that we've missed the boat, or we're just oblivious to things.
But there's certain points in our life, or certain cycles in our life, when we all of a sudden have those wake-up calls.
Usually, it's what I've noticed with other people.
It's a health crisis.
Or some kind of an accident in some form, or a relationship ends up in a divorce or separation of a relationship, or you lose a job.
There's some kind of a little crisis that happens in our lives that gives us an opportunity to review where we're going, where we've been, and it's like an opportunity to kind of redirect ourselves.
And I think that I, I mean my background as a youth, you know, was very strong Catholicism,
you know, the altar boy.
I was, you know, all through my, up until my teens, I was as active as anybody could be with having a belief system.
And so anything that I would experience was totally opposed to that.
Outside of it?
It would be, you know, demonic.
You know, from my level of awareness, it would have been demonic.
Have you considered that possibility?
I did.
In fact, I explored it and even talked to literally every faith after I came back from the hospital.
I talked with a lot of people.
Fortunately, I then met another sailor who happened to be a doctor.
He was an M.D.
and he also was a gestalt therapist.
He had a dual thing.
He started off as an M.D.
and then he got into gestalting and that became his life.
So we made a deal that if he bought the beer, I would provide the boat, because he didn't have a sailboat.
He used to just piggyback when everybody could.
We would go out sailing.
One day I just told him about this thing, and I remember him looking at me, and he said, what's kind of fascinating, he says, you may have had, and he went into this deep thing, and I didn't know what he was talking about.
And he says, but a lot of things you're talking about seems like they were like prophetic things.
He says, like you were talking about this one image you had of this plane crashing and you had this and that.
And he says, do you get any more of those?
And I said, well, I said, occasionally I get flashes of them, but they're not like that.
They're not a continuous stream of consciousness.
It's more like a still image.
And so I remember, you know, he says, well, what'd you have recently?
So I remember I told him, and even at this point, I can't remember what it was, but I think it was an airline crash.
I told him about it, and we went sailing and came back.
The next morning, about 5 o'clock in the morning, he calls and wakes me up.
Then he wants to go sailing again, because I can't go back to work after this meeting, by the way.
My head was, everything was so changed, I was afraid to even drive, because of these images I was seeing.
He says, you better get the morning paper, because the thing we talked about yesterday is in the paper.
We spent several weeks going out sailing and talking about this thing.
And he says, you know, he says, the brain is a funny thing.
He says, you know, you can hallucinate.
He says, and he says, we don't really understand it.
He says, we understand very little about the brain, let alone the human mind.
He says, we just don't know.
He says, and he says, there's this phenomenon that's going on.
He says, but a lot of the images you're talking about, he says, are things that have happened.
He says, there's been two or three already.
And he says, my suggestion is you start keeping a journal and putting these things in the journal.
Just start keeping it.
And he also suggests that, you know, you kind of embrace this thing instead of trying to run away from it.
And I said, I can't do that.
I said, this is just totally, because in my head I'm thinking about Father Sullivan.
You know, you mess with the devil, you're going to get the devil.
Remember, he was crazy.
Yeah, of course, I recall.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
He says go ahead and embrace it.
I guess at some point you did that, huh?
I didn't embrace it, but what I did do, I said, well, I'm going to continue.
I will keep a journal of this because maybe I can figure things out.
But it got to the point after several months that I said, you know what it is?
I've just got to get away from here.
And within weeks, I was packed and headed back to New England.
I mean, I just totally severed all relationships and just left and came back to New England.
When I came back, the first day, there was none of those things.
I wasn't seeing the lights.
I was only seeing these lights out of the corner of my eye, little blue specks and sometimes gold specks out of the periphery of my eye.
It was always there.
It was some kind of an image running, but I couldn't bring it into focus.
And then, of course, the colors I would see around living things.
Anyway, I came back and those weren't there.
So it kind of confirmed to me that moving away from it was the answer.
For several weeks it was that way.
It was calm.
I remember I picked up a book and read a book.
As I was reading the book, I remember it was a book on phenomena.
It was describing some of the things, some of the experiences that I was having.
It had names for them.
I mean, here it was.
It was the word aura, which I never knew what it was, and the word metaphysics, and the word past life.
So there's all this new vocabulary stuff.
So as I read this thing, I said, this is stuff that I'm experiencing now.
And so I kind of got excited about it.
The next morning, I woke up and everything's back in.
The colors are back.
The things of the karma are back.
And I remember I just went into this like deep depression.
And I stayed at that state for several months.
All right, hold it right there.
We are exactly at the point where we have to break.
Several months depression just because it came back.
Maybe you sort of accepted it when you read the book.
Hmm.
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In a previous interview, Gordon told me that refined as it is now, he's able to see visions as you would see a television screen.
I recall him saying three TV screens, one in the center, the most likely outcome, and then one on each side, which was not as colorful or as distinct.
Well, which would be lesser probabilities with regard to our future.
I'll never forget that description.
So, he's my guest, Lord Michael Scully, and one of the greatest intuitives in the world right now.
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Once again, here is Gordon Michael Scott, and Gordon, welcome back.
Yep.
So you were back in the Northeast, you were in a depression, and then what?
Perhaps several months went by after I returned, and I began to have these incredibly lucid
Now, prior to this time period, I could not recall dreaming.
I now know with the background I have that we dream every night.
Even those of us that think we don't dream, we do.
But I could not recall having dreamt prior to this time period and now I'm having these lucid dreams and in these lucid dreams the images that I saw in a hospital are now repeating themselves but they're slower.
They're not moving by like lightning speed.
I can kind of look at them and I'm starting to see more of these images of what I now determine is going to be something that In my senses, maybe this is what the earth was like in the past, because I remember seeing the pyramids, seeing things like that, seeing these strange things.
I'm thinking that maybe what I'm seeing is the past.
As I would think about these things during this lucid dreaming, I would instantly get responses.
It was like an interactive dream scenario.
You know, I would think something and all of a sudden the image would change to give me a better picture so I could understand what I was seeing.
And I began to sketch.
You know, I'd wake up.
I was lucid.
I would wake up.
I would sketch it and put it in my journal.
You know, so if I saw a particular coastline, for example, or a particular country that looked different for some reason, I would sketch it.
And then I got an atlas and I would compare what it was.
And it was at that time that I began to sketch.
What I then realized was not the past, but was a probable future.
And so the sketchings became a series of maps of countries.
But most of the visions I saw dealt with North America.
And I never could understand that.
I think today that maybe it's because I'm here, it's English speaking, I'm familiar with the area.
I've traveled all over North America.
I know it very well.
And there are other people in other countries who are getting similar visions.
And I finally realized, at least I realized this in the past five years, is that there are many people who are getting very similar information.
I mean, I've had literally not thousands or tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of letters over the past ten years.
All people who are sharing what they're getting.
Different countries, different languages.
But they're getting very similar scenarios.
Showing that somehow, at some time in the future, our Earth is going to change.
And as it changes, it seems like I was being shown timelines.
I was given events rather than specific dates.
You know, it's like I would watch a vision and it would show me, for example, a volcano erupting and I was able to track the vision to indicate that it was in Italy and so at night Italy I would see that and then the next vision would then show another event occurring and then another event and so I began to realize that I was being shown events or sequences of events that would occur kind of like early warning signs
Were you in control of this at that point?
In other words, could you bring it on or allow it to come, I don't know what the right words would be, when you wanted?
No.
At that time, it was spontaneous.
It would just happen.
Even to this day, it will happen spontaneously.
Now, it happens more frequently when I'm at my computer.
If I'm writing something, I'll find that I've just written a couple thousand words on some subject that I know nothing about.
So, in the old days of spiritualism, we would have called it automatic writing.
That's right.
In technology, we have automatic word processing.
I made a note here.
I wanted to comment on your comment about how I see these visions as three images on the screen, and you recalled it exactly as it is.
When these things happen, I'll see three screens, like three television screens, and depending on the color and the intensity of the colors, it tells me the probabilities.
So one of the things that I learned really early on is that there's no such thing as an absolute prediction or a prophetic event.
It could be more probable.
It could be 99.9% probable that it could happen.
But as long as I was seeing these different scenarios, it meant things could change.
The Middle East was one such image that I saw that could have changed.
What do you think?
How do you think that?
Do you have any concept or idea of how that works?
In other words, you see a future that even is very probable, but not absolute.
What does that say about the nature of, I don't know, the universe, I guess, time?
One of the things, time is for our physical reality.
When I'm in these other realms or other levels of consciousness that I'm able to go to, there isn't a time.
It's whatever the collective thought of the people you're with in that realm becomes the reality you experience.
So there's nothing that's definite, and as long as there are individuals, people, There can be change, because it only takes one person to bring about great changes, and if we look at changes, we can see, you know, in our lifetime, we can see that there was Gandhi and Kennedys, and we can see different people, whether we agree with their political philosophies or their spiritual belief systems, they brought about great change.
Correct.
And these are obviously some form of masters.
These are people who come into the world with a consciousness And a very specific purpose.
That they're there to do something.
So as long as we have an individual to hold a light, then we can have change.
We can alter events.
As an event becomes more ingrained in a probable reality, it takes more energy than sometimes even one person.
It takes the group.
And we have just entered one of the visions that I saw over 20 years ago It deals with this time period of 2000 to 2012 where I was shown visions that if I had identified this time period, this 12 year time period, it's the time period of the group where the individual is not as important as the group.
The group actually develops a psychic power and now we see this in healing.
We see it in hospitals who are now acknowledging the healing power of prayer.
That's true.
And we see it in all forms of healing groups and just collective thought.
Think tanks.
And we have theoretical physicists now, Gordon, who are talking about this great non-locality and getting into all sorts of interesting areas that may have a direct connection to the areas that you travel in and see.
You know, if we were to look back even a decade ago, Very few people even knew the questions to ask.
You know, we now are at the point where, you know, our consciousness as a collective society has opened up.
The door is cracked open, and now we are thinking thoughts that weren't even conceivable to even think about.
You know, and we are moving at lightning speed.
You know, that's really the bright side, but then since you and I have last talked, Airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center buildings, the Pentagon.
Terrorism is with us now every day.
Today was spent with CNN talking about a dirty nuclear weapon going off in the U.S.
and an arrest of a guy who was planning it.
Oh my God, the world has changed since we last spoke.
Yeah, and it has changed forever.
It is not a temporary change.
These changes are forever.
Again, anytime you accelerate consciousness on a collective basis, you accelerate everything.
You accelerate what we might call the good or the bad, but all things become accelerated and polarized.
We're really in a polarized society, and each group believes so deeply in whatever their belief system is that you cannot change it.
It's almost an unchangeable consciousness.
Again, it's due to this acceleration.
Alright, well it's an obvious question and they'll slay me if I don't ask it.
uh...
it that the whole the whole issue behind this is is just really beginning to
start to unblock unfold we've always seen
uh... the very beginning stages of it all right well it's an obvious question and they'll slay me
if i don't ask you uh... since you do have visions
with regard to the u s and our future even even our rather immediate
future with terrorism and with everything that's going on in this war
and these people who want us dead and
What do you know?
What have you seen?
What can you tell us?
Well, last year I started sharing insights that I saw that were building for this year and so noted that we would be involved in Middle East crisis and also terrorism and it would touch our shores and We're starting to see the end.
You know that that has already occurred of course with 9-1-1 But we have to do is we have to look back at a much bigger picture of what's really going on What is the energy behind all of this stuff that's going on and?
You know what what's really happening can be can be focalized into a to a place in the world You know specifically the Middle East where?
Um, dynamics are such that it is been, you know, it's been going through hatred for millennia.
You know, this is not a new thing.
This is not the, this is not, you know, the century.
This thing goes back so many years, thousands and thousands of years.
And so this hatred is now moving out into the world and it will, I mean, it's, it's affected us.
Uh, will we have a, uh, a dirty bomb?
Um, I don't think we'll have a dirty bomb.
That's not something I've seen.
From a terrorist point of view, I think there'll be more simpler things.
I think we're going to experience more.
I don't have a date on these things, but my sense is that before this year is out, we're going to experience more events.
But I don't think they're going to be the kind of huge events of the past, like the airline has been hijacked as a grand play.
So, you know, while everybody's focusing on what's the next grand play going to be and how can we stop it, like the dirty bomb, I think we're going to see more of the things that we see in Israel, more of the suicide bomber, because we are already at a point of fear throughout our nation, and it's affected the markets very seriously, the economic markets.
Well said.
So everybody, you know, Everybody's sitting there just, and they're afraid to make long-term commitments.
Manufacturing is, you know, they want to sell their goods, but they're afraid to make long-term commitments.
So everybody's looking for, give me profits now so I can show a good balance sheet.
Actually, it's going to paralyze the nation.
That's good word.
It is a good word.
And we are going to stay that way for a while.
This is not a short-term thing.
We are going to stay that way.
We're coming from a time period of the nineties where it was a great time of illusion.
I mean, there wasn't so much that was not real in the thing.
A lot of great things came out of it.
You know, the internet really took hold and became born in technology.
But at the same time, we had all this incredible, you know, rush to fame and fortune.
And it wasn't real.
It wasn't based on any kind of real solid thing.
So we're really kind of going back now to a time period Before the 90s and even before a good part of the 80s.
We're going back to a point where we're looking for reality from an investment point of view and return on investment point of view.
So our markets are not going to jump up.
All a terrorist has to do is to do is bombing, and they are coming.
We know if we go on television and listen to the President and others, they all say the question is not if it's going to happen, but when.
It's more like we've gone back to the worst part of the Cold War.
That's kind of what it feels like.
There was a kind of, at the worst part of the Cold War, there was a horrid fear, of course.
The Cuban Missile Crisis time would be a good example.
And, you know, we all thought we were going to die.
I mean, thermonuclear war.
One of the worst fears that we all have to confront and deal with, almost daily, is the fear of not knowing.
If there's a health crisis and we don't know are we going to get through this, are we going to live through this, or is our relative going to live through this, or the fear that I'm going to lose all of my savings, my retirement, or the fear that I'm going to be on an airplane when some crazy person decides for their belief system to kill a lot of people.
It's all about being afraid of just not knowing what's next.
Well, that's why we have you here tonight.
Other than terrorism, which you think will continue, but not with another major incident, which I'm very happy to hear, just as I'm happy to hear the fires are slowing down, thank you, near Denver.
That's late news.
What do we have to look forward to?
In the realm of terrorism?
No, in any realm.
In other words, what does the future of this country or the world look like to you now?
Well, I look at things a lot differently, I think, than most people, only because I am seeing different things.
In other words, just as I can see three different screens of a particular event, how it might play out, I also see something else that's going on.
One of the things that I see is the consciousness.
Our individual abilities to intuit are just racing forward.
I'm seeing it in particular with children.
Even in our own family, I really see it every day.
We have a large family.
The intuitive part of us is expanding.
All of a sudden, all the shrouds are being stripped away.
We can see the change.
We look at religion, and we can see what's happening with religion.
It's being challenged.
It's very fiber of what it's about.
All of these things, terrorism, religion, wars, economic things, all of these things force us to come to a single conclusion, and that conclusion is, or the search is, what is really of value in life?
If we were to ask everybody, they would say, good health, good life, I want my children to be safe, I want my children to be happy.
We're getting back to basics.
We're getting back to values.
We can either focus on the negatives that are going on all the time, or we can look at and review what it is.
I see this.
I see this happening.
Transformation and education.
I was an educator at one time, and education to me right now just needs to be totally revamped.
Actually, the whole thing is a big race.
Hold on, Gordon.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
It's a big race between expanding consciousness And the negativity, the negative side, wonder which is going to win.
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Well, all right, once again, here is Gordon Michael Skyen.
Gordon, welcome back.
I, too, have become aware, Gordon, of this incredible consciousness change.
And there is something going on.
I've done some experiments.
I've become very aware that consciousness is expanding and we're learning an awful lot more about the power of consciousness and the way people think and how it affects things that occur.
I've been all over that and I'm very interested in it.
But you've had specific visions and it's really important that we get some of that.
What I was about to say to you before the break was there's kind of a race going on between this great negative Stuff that's going on with the terrorists and all the rest of it.
And the changes that could occur in our world, the negative changes, and the expansion of consciousness.
And it's a race, and whichever one wins is probably going to dictate sort of the way things go.
So it's a race.
And I hope the consciousness expansion wins.
But in the meantime, you do receive images, you do No, what's going to probably happen, I'll use the word probably happen in the future, and you've hit an awful lot of stuff right on the head, so we're obviously extremely curious about what's going to happen.
Well, it's a big world and there's many areas.
Is there a particular area you want to explore?
Earth changes?
I just released a new edition of the North America map.
When I first did the first map, well over a decade ago, we didn't have the digital imagery that was affordable.
You had to almost buy it from a photographer from Russia if you wanted to get them.
That imagery is now available.
It's still expensive, but at least it's thinkable.
With the new imagery, I was able to update the map showing You know, what I see for new waterways and new rivers and new coastlines, and it's much more exacting.
And the reason I did this is because the changes are so vast that it's impossible, even though I attempted to do it in my book, it's impossible to describe it.
And an image clearly is worth many words when you see a snapshot of a wall map showing these changes.
And the reason that I did this wall map is so that Should we continue on the same path?
In other words, should the visions continue to indicate that this is the probable path?
Yes.
That this map could be used as a early warning sign.
In other words, I've never told anybody to believe this.
I said, use this as a guide to see what would happen if the oceans, if global warming should become a reality.
You know, this again goes back into the early 80s.
When I first did the map, See what happens.
See how these things would change the contours.
And therefore, if it does change, then we can use this as a template to go to safer ground, so to speak.
So, the changes have not, the visions have not changed appreciably at all for some time.
In other words, the images that I saw ten years ago are basically the same, whereby the images from Let's say 1980 to 1990, there were some changes that varied a little bit.
And so now, there's no longer three screens.
I'm only seeing the single screen, which is telling me that this is a probable future event that is going to happen in our lifetimes.
And basically, here in North America, we are going to see, just like I saw back in the hospital in 1979, the United States divided into two.
With the Mississippi being kind of like an inland, major inland sea, a waterway, divided.
And in the future, in my new map, I describe it as the Eastern United States and the Western United States.
And that's what they'll be known as.
So the new things I've seen, I've actually been able to see names of things.
Really?
Yeah.
Hurricane Andrew, I was able to see that so specific and accurately as far as the damage on that, because I saw a vision of a headline.
So I was able to just Remember the headlines and the basic captions in it?
And from that I was able to make a prediction because I had seen the headline.
Now that's a rarity.
I don't get that very often.
I mean, I do get that, but it doesn't necessarily relate to any kind of a global thing.
It might relate to something more specific to my life or my family's life or something that I just need to learn about.
So the names are now plugged in.
And the changes begin, as we would all suspect, on the West Coast.
Because we have the Ring of Fire, and we have the major motion or movement of plates there.
But even before that occurs, there's an event that's coming up here, and it's coming up fairly quickly.
Two events that I saw happening this year and next year was a major quake in New York, and another major quake in the New Madrid Fault, which is in the middle of the country.
There was a huge disaster down there well over a century ago, but I see a quick there exceeding magnitude 8, perhaps as much as 9 or even 10.
So that's an event that I see coming up relatively quickly, you know, within, you know, again,
within, you know, 12 to 18 months, I see something occurring.
Can you actually see the physical effects of it?
In other words, if the New Madrid let go, as you pointed out, it was a disaster then, with something of this magnitude, what would the effects be?
Well, the thing that I've seen is, when you look at the map, the ground tears, if you look at the Grand Canyon, which by the way, scientifically they believe it was carved Of the glacial activity and water over millions of years and different things.
When I see the actual vision of the creation of the Grand Canyon, it was from a pole shift, where the land actually separated apart.
And that's what created that, and then water, of course, moved in there afterwards.
I see a similar thing down there, where I see a snapshot of the land, and down there I see huge water, like the creation of a lake, huge.
So water seems to be a big issue that I see down there.
But, you know, devastation.
You can't rock an area.
I mean, we saw what happened with Coby, which wasn't a particularly high quake magnitude-wise, but we saw the damage that's caused by it, or even, you know, the Northridge areas.
So quakes that get up in the range that I'm talking about, 8 or 9, are pretty devastating.
On the warning signs, the thing that I always try to convey is some warning signs to watch for.
And the warning signs would be that we would have a swarm of quakes before this.
And the swarms would be in the six range, and so many people are going to feel that it's over.
You know, we've got this, we had this swarm of quakes, it was in the six.
Everybody was predicting there'd be, you know, sevens when it did happen.
And here it was, it was only sixes, and it's over.
And that's just the first wave.
OK, so that's the first thing to watch for would be a swarm of quakes in the sixth range.
And would that be on the New Madrid or near it?
It would be in all three states, all along it.
But the southern portion of the New Madrid is the one that I see more destructful.
So as you look at this, the thing to do is you just get an atlas and you find It'll show the New Madrid, or if you're online you can go and find it from USGS.
And you can see where it is, and then it runs and it kind of covers three states.
If you look at the total length of it.
Sure.
But in the southern portion is the one that's at a much higher risk.
People do not understand how big it can be.
During the last quake there, the Mississippi ran backwards.
Rand backwards folks, that's the truth Yeah, and and bells bells rang in Boston, Philadelphia
Yeah result of it so we
You know these things go but you know we have had quakes that are in the nine range the the the quake we had in
Alaska Was it was a over a nine and so so you know that we do have
it in recorded history We can only estimate what the quake would have done you
know because Geologically we're looking at things happen in a very short
time period and that's doesn't fit a Geological where we see slow changes over long time periods
Here we're talking about great changes over short time periods.
Well, you know, since we last talked, for example, Gordon, they're talking about, they believe they found a city Beneath the sea, off the coast of Cuba, they've, with side-scan sonar and now video cameras, they've photographed buildings, what they think are buildings, pyramids, roads, and this is 2,200 feet below sea level.
Something very quick and very catastrophic would have had to have occurred to take something down that far.
Or we just don't understand history at all properly.
One of the two.
So apparently things can happen very suddenly, very quickly.
And you're suggesting that we're on the verge of that.
When things happen like that, you know, most of our civilization Today is built on the coastline.
And it's been the same in the past.
That's right.
They've rediscovered Alexandria, and the port city of it, and the lighthouse.
That's true.
And here, we're talking a couple thousand years ago, and that was still just myth.
Or Troy, the discovery of Troy was myth.
And then they came to discover it.
So those things happen very quickly, but when you're on a coastline, you lose most of your records, most of your civilization.
So when it happens, it gets lost.
And now, you know, the myth of the Cuba find, it's possible that it can be Atlantis, though I don't think it directly is Atlantis.
I think it's a colony that came after it near the near its end period.
But, excuse me, but all throughout the Atlantic and the Caribbean, there's all kinds of lost stuff.
I've dived in those places and I've seen Columns and things and so, you know, there's a lot of artifacts but underwater Archaeology is incredibly expensive time-consuming and every time a storm goes by the fans shift things get buried or unburied So it's very costly, but we're starting to find out that there are and have been other civilizations that You know about some mechanism have disappeared and you know
People look at my map and they say, well, you know, how can this be?
These mountains are 4,000 feet high or 3,000 feet high.
How can that, how can there be water there?
Well, it's just like you were stating the city that they found off of Cuba is really deep.
So they found things that are thousands of feet.
Well, when the, when the ground thrusts or, or compresses, you know, a mile is nothing.
For grounds to move.
You get out in space and look back at it, it looks like a small impression or a little dimple.
So lands can be thrust literally miles high or miles low.
Some mountain ranges are born over a long time period, but mountain ranges can be thrust up.
If we look at Iceland, we can see islands being born literally overnight.
Ideologically, there's a lot of activity on the planet right now, and we are all of a sudden making incredible discoveries.
And I believe, I should say I know as well, that some of the discoveries that have been made that haven't been released to the public yet are really going to change religion and our total understanding of who we are.
These things are all going to come to bear probably next year or two.
So, that's all part of consciousness.
We're ready now to accept it.
Once we did the Genome Project and DNA, you know, once we started doing that, our consciousness, we went to the moon, our consciousness increased.
And now we're ready to know more about the next thing.
The next thing is who we really were, who we're becoming.
You really think we're ready for that?
Yeah, we are ready.
And not everybody, and that's why everybody opens up, you know, intuitively at their own Their own cycle.
If they have a lot of fear, it's going to take longer.
I have a lot of fear.
So it took me a long time for me to start working with what I was given.
I remember you coming on this program and saying that you saw a horrible earthquake in Southern California.
You saw people streaming across the mountains toward me in Nevada and east.
Yes.
That was almost ten years ago that we talked about that.
That's right.
You know, right after the New Madrid and New York quakes, there will be these tremendous tearing of the lands of the West Coast.
When that does tear, you're not going to go West.
You're there at the coastline.
You're going to head over the mountains.
Of course.
What I described in your show ten years ago was watching the headlights at night, just like fireflies going over the mountains, going into where you now live.
And so you still maintain that is ahead of us, but the New York situation and the New Madrid fault are now before it.
Yeah, those things are going to occur.
They're going to be geological events that are devastating, but they're nothing that would shut down the economy or the country.
but that will be devastated themselves it's it's if i got hurricane andrew times ten
would be the kind of energy level of the damage in the i think that uh...
but i was trying to that and and
in new york as well you just a copy of your country some more stuff
unfortunate more stuff is coming it's only i think that that that uh... the first place that it goes
to do you specifically mean for example the city
do you see the city of new york Yeah, I see Lower Manhattan in particular being hard hit.
I even see the financials on it.
I reported this again some years ago with you.
I saw the financial district being moved, literally moving out of New York and heading more west.
I cannot recall now where it went, but it was somewhere in the Midwest.
You know, that really wouldn't be such a shock a long time ago to think that they would move, everybody would laugh.
Now, after 9-11, of course, the financial district suffered mightily from all of that.
And if something else catastrophic were to occur, moving the financial center of the country isn't such a wild idea anymore.
No, and one of the interesting things is that the computer backup systems, I mean, they got back up in a relatively short time period, considering the devastation of the World Trade Center, but a lot of those backups, or the majority of them, were out in the Midwest.
They were in different centers that were housing remote access, so there was a lot of storage that was outside of the area, which is smart business anyways.
You want to, wherever you have your backup, you want to have it someplace else.
That's right.
Makes no sense to have a backup next to your own computer, for example.
No, it all goes at once.
Yeah.
Did you have any hint of something the magnitude of 9-11 coming?
Not the magnitude.
I never saw a vision of the plane.
The visions I reported on were of flames and fire, but I never saw A plane.
I assumed that what it was was a bomb.
And I saw the visions, I saw the flames.
I saw it with a lot of other people when it happened.
Yeah, I knew it was New York, and I knew that there was a lot of flames.
And I knew that it was a terrorist activity, and I knew it was, that it came from the Middle East region.
And you reported all of this in your newsletter how long ago?
We started warning about it a year before it occurred.
We started warning that the Middle East was going to be the trigger.
That Israel would invade Palestine and surround it with tanks.
And that was a piece that I saw.
I saw the crisis and I saw all this coming out of the region.
Afghanistan in particular I even mentioned.
I saw that as kind of a hub of activity that would then spread to the United States.
But because of Israel.
You know, Israel's like a colony of the United States, almost.
Almost.
And I saw it coming from that direction, but specifically, I did not.
I knew generally, you know, the time period, you know, within a few months, but I didn't know the date of it.
You know, I knew the approximate, but not that specific date.
And I also did not know it was from airplanes.
Okay, I'll hold it right there.
Gordon Marstein is my guest, and he did see the event.
Not specifically saying World Trade Centers, but Flame Fire New York, and where it would come from.
That's pretty good.
All of that was recorded one year before the event.
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Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from June 10th, 2002.
Good morning, everybody.
Gordon Michael Stallion is my guest, and we are discussing specific predictions right now.
And I think we'll move a little further over toward the Middle East,
because I've got several questions coming right up.
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Once again, here's Gordon Michael Scallion.
And, uh...
Well, Gordon, I've got a story here which cleared the Jerusalem Post on the 8th.
It says Arafat, in a speech broadcast today, said that a Palestinian Authority chairman, Yasser Arafat, threatened that if Israel does not retreat from Palestinian-ruled areas, there will be, quote, a disastrous explosion that will impact the stability of the whole world, end quote.
You know, it could just be a boisterous threat.
There are so many of them over there.
However, that sounds pretty dire.
And so, obviously, I'd like to know what you see coming for the Middle East.
Well, you know, the Middle East, of course, dominates the news, but the Indian Pakistan, of course, has overshadowed that as of late.
I realize that there are a lot of forecasters out there and intuitives who are saying that nuclear conflict is inevitable.
I don't see that.
I don't see India and Pakistan having a nuclear exchange.
However, I do see it in the Middle East as it pertains to areas from Iran to Iraq, Syria, I see nuclear exchanges going on there, but smaller, much smaller kind of, I don't have a good background in this and I don't study or read up on it, but I guess the word would be tactical, smaller things.
Certainly Israel has them, everybody knows that.
Iraq has probably either got them already or about to have them.
And, uh, who knows about Syria?
Well, um, Arafat, uh, I, maybe I don't, I think earlier this year I said in my newsletter that as a political leader that, that, that he was, his time was through, but it would take some time before that's replaced.
And then, um, I saw him being replaced by a woman, um, And then later I saw the initials H-A.
H-A?
H-A.
And then one of my subscribers wrote to me and said, are you talking about Hannah Ashwari?
I'm not even sure how to pronounce it.
Ashwari?
Yeah.
I saw those initials and then I saw, after he mentioned that, I began to have dreams about her trying to lead the Palestinians into a I mean, right now, I would have to say that what's going on behind the scenes, from a war point of view, is very serious.
It's probably the most serious thing that I've seen in all of my years.
I think the Middle East is just going to erupt in such a fashion.
There's a lot of people.
We have envoys from every country.
China has been involved in Russia and England.
Everybody is going into these areas trying to stabilize all these different countries.
But what you really have here is small groups of fanatics that have very little value to life and are willing to make the ultimate sacrifices for their belief systems.
That's a very hard thing.
To shut down entirely.
So, I do believe that we're going to see nuclear and probably more of a dirty bomb in the Middle East.
Like I said earlier, I don't see it here in the United States.
Well, in the past, we have come right up to the brink, you know, where people in Israel were in safe rooms because they thought biologicals were about to land on them.
And everybody knows Israel has nuclear weapons.
Probably tactical nukes.
Probably nukes that are improved upon from U.S.
stockpiles.
They generally do that.
And so they've got them buried in the desert, everybody thinks.
Anyway, wherever they've got them, they've got them.
And in the past, we've always been able to sort of put a calming hand on Israel and say, don't do anything.
We'll take care of it.
And we've gone in to Iraq and so forth and so on.
But there will come a point then, apparently, when Israel will act in its own interests.
It will, and it won't be because of Palestine.
The Palestinian problem is going to be a contained one in the sense that they will... the only way I can describe it is a cage.
It's literally a cage.
I mean, you know, Tanks have been moving into the past 24 hours there.
They're right back to where they were when they went in the first time.
But this time, they're going to go in even deeper.
But they're going to contain it.
And the Palestinian issue is going to be contained.
The problem is going to come from another place.
And the problems that really have to be watched are the two adversaries, which was Iraq and Iran.
Those two are going to be big players with Israel in this war that I see coming, this nuclear war.
I know it's always the hardest part of what you do to understand when something is going to happen.
I know.
Time is a very difficult thing.
There's been times I've been on it to the day, and there's other times I've been off years.
When you see a vision, you have to look for some kind of sign.
If you see a newspaper, it's great because you can get a date, or if you see a license plate, you can get a year of the tags of the car.
There's different things that you can look for, and I train myself to always be observant But it's very difficult at best.
But what I said earlier, how I usually see things in stages.
You know, when this happens, and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens.
You've always given it to me that way, yes.
Yeah, so based on that, I can get a sense, at least, of the time.
And the sense was that when terrorism hit the United States, that we were in the last stages of it.
In other words, last stages would be, you know, within a couple of years.
And so I think that we're in that window here.
I think next year is going to be a very difficult year for the whole planet.
Do you have any sense of how that war will begin?
I think that terrorism is going to hit Israel, and Israel is going to track it back to Iran.
And they are going to retaliate as a result of it.
And that could be a dirty bomb.
But they're going to track it to Iran.
And they're going to strike.
And they're going to strike with nuclear.
So the scenario is a dirty bomb goes off in Israel.
Israel responds, tracks it back to Iran.
With a nuclear weapon.
With nuclear weapons.
And then we then find out how many people really have nuclear weapons.
I'm sure we will.
Do you know if it stays contained to the Middle East?
That's an awfully important question.
I mean China, Russia, the US, France, on and on.
I see China and Russia moving closer and closer together and moving more towards humanitarianism.
I know it doesn't look like it now, but I see that.
I see Russia in particular becoming an incredible light of the world.
Really?
Yeah.
The war that they fought in Afghanistan, I see that whole thing turn around and I see them doing incredible things to support education in particular and food and growing.
I see them really involved there.
And I see China and Russia trying to keep a lid on everything.
Their borders are immense.
When you look at the map and you see the former Soviet Union, and you see China, and you see all the Middle East things, you realize that they have a lot to gain by keeping stability in the region.
Our gains have always been the same.
Our gains is oil.
We can debate that and talk about it until the cows come home, but it's really about oil.
Once these things start, the containment will be, but anybody who supports Israel is going to be at high risk.
That would be us.
We've been really blessed here in this country.
Totally blessed.
Israel, every day, you know, you watch some mad person blow themselves up.
And these are children now, and women, and teenagers.
And so, they just don't know where the next one is going to come from.
Like we said earlier, you know, it's the not knowing.
We've been blessed here.
You know, we've had a big event.
But the next events that are going to hit the United States, as a result of the, as this war begins to build up, and it actually occurs, we're going to see more of that kind of Of the same events that are occurring.
Bottom line, you're saying that there will be a nuclear war, and fairly soon in the Middle East, but it will stay contained?
Yeah, I don't see any nuclear war.
I have seen a vision of a nuclear device in the United States, but I don't see it in the short term.
The short term would be You know, in the next five years, I don't, but I have seen it.
I've seen the mushroom cloud, and I know that it's somewhere in the United States, but I've never, I've only had one or two visions on it until I get at least three, if not more, where I can kind of pinpoint what's going on.
I can tell by the vision the way it is that it's not short term, but in our lifetimes, we will experience in the United States a nuclear disaster, whether that's a power plant Or whether it's a terrorist activity, I can't say, but I do not see missiles or nuclear devices coming in.
The things that we have to watch out for now, I think, are boats.
Boats is the big thing for the United States that I'm concerned about.
Any kind of boats.
You recommended that I ask an interesting question, and this really is an interesting question.
If you look out, say, 20 years, And you look at the world's religions, and all of the trouble that we seem to be having right now is based in the differences in the world's religions, or perceptions, or the radicalized factions of some of these religions.
So if you look out 20 years at religion, does anything change?
Well, just about everything changes.
You know, religion is in a constant... We kind of think religion is steadfast, and it has been.
But if we look at longer cycles, we see that there's been constant changes.
And, you know, if we look at Christianity, you know, we're talking billions of members, but, you know, there's other religions that have an equal number.
There's lots of religions, thousands of them.
Oh, yes.
And then they fragment when there's a disagreement about an interpretation, even.
You'll fragment.
You know, so you had the Protestant movement was a fragmentation, and that in turn fragments some more and fragments some more.
So it's always, you know, it's always human kind of interpretation of whatever a group believes in.
One of the things I said that we had to watch for as the warning sign for the The decline of religion as we know it, all religions, there were two things I said to watch for.
One was religious wars or holy wars, which I think we could probably say has begun.
And the other thing I said is watch for the uncovering of hidden secrets detrimental to the Catholic Church that have been hidden.
So in 1991 I reported on that and I said watch out for it when this occurs.
We will know that the cycle of change from religion to spirituality will have truly begun.
It doesn't happen overnight.
We would have to look ahead 20, 30, 40 years.
Let's say a generation.
If we look ahead in a generation, we would see a new planetary belief system versus a fragmented one.
This does not mean that there still would not be other faiths.
That would be present in the world.
But if we were to look at a collective belief system, because what we're moving towards now, with the expansion of consciousness, is the awareness of a collective mind.
Yes.
And so, all of a sudden, we're moving towards a time period where we were, I believe, some 12,000 years ago, where we were more of a mind people, or a thought people.
We were intuitive and telepathic, and we were able to see the bigger picture.
And as religion strips away the dogma, we begin to explore, you know, faith in a different way.
And science, of course, is constantly playing in and out of religion, because there's some religions, some of the greatest secrets of the world haven't come to light yet, I mean, discoveries that everybody should know about because of religion.
But that will be stripped away here, and it continues to be stripped away.
So we're going to see a new spirituality, and the spirituality will be based more on a sacredness of, the only way I could describe it would be nature.
If we were to say, you know, let's look at nature, and let's say nature was God, which it is.
And let's say that we said, you know, how do we respect that?
How do we live with it?
How do we work with it?
And the decisions about strip mining and decisions about whether we get rid of all the animals in the area because we want to put a shopping mall, those decisions go away.
The decision now is that we have to protect this deity, this belief system.
There still is the belief in the oneness of creation.
So it's not like we become atheistic.
In fact, it's the opposite.
We become more of a believer in a creator.
But the respect that goes along with the creator occurs versus, right now we're in a monetary-dominated world where 90% of the wealth of the world is held by 1% of the people, and that is Really the cause of all the problems that we're having right now.
And that change for this country would be momentous.
It would be gigantic.
It would be so much less in the third world than it would be here.
Here is where the real change would have to occur, wouldn't it?
The only way I can describe it is like if you woke up one morning and all of a sudden You have the Eureka about something.
Oh, that's it!
That's kind of like what this collective awareness of consciousness expansion is going to occur for people.
It isn't like in the past it was one or two people who got it, talked about it, and then ten years later maybe a movement would start, and then twenty, thirty years later you'd have this large body of people.
It's not going to be that way.
It's going to happen in a much more collective way.
Like the 100th monkey.
You know, we're around the world.
Different people get it.
The indigenous people have always had it.
So we can argue that, well, this is nothing new.
This has been with our planet for a long time.
Just the rest of the world is now catching up to it.
The United States, of course, is going to... These changes are going to obviously affect it, but... Well, I mean, in a way, we've got the biggest move to make, because we're The farthest from it right now.
I mean, we're wrapped up deeply in this economic, in our economy, in everything that we are, and we're pretty materialistic, frankly.
Right?
We are, and, you know, as earth changes occur, you know, these become little, you know, it's another piece of the puzzle.
I mean, as soon as some event happens, the word is going to be that, you know, God is punishing somebody.
All right, hold that thought.
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tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from June 10th 2002 once again here is Gordon Michaels, Diane. Gordon do you uh...
do you see you see this change uh... occurring in children don't you?
uh... that that We have children that are beginning to be different.
I talk to parents constantly.
We have a very large audience at our institute, so I get a lot of feedback from parents.
You know, back in the 80s, I wrote a paper called Children of the Blu-Ray, and then when I wrote my book, I included that paper in the book as a chapter, and it basically described what I saw coming in the 90s in a larger way, that as new children were being born, as children incarnated into the world, That there would be some very distinguishable differences from them.
And it wouldn't be isolated to a particular country, but it would be a global thing.
And it would occur in small numbers in the beginning, and then they would be larger numbers.
And what these children were, were the forerunners of a new race of consciousness.
The difference, I would say, is that it's like the difference from to homo sapien from a previous species.
Not so much physically, though there will be physical differences, but not that dramatic.
But a whole new race of people.
And it begins with the children.
And they would have certain characteristics that we could identify them.
One of the characteristics was that these children would almost become teachers of their parents.
So that they would not necessarily be born into A new age or a new awareness family, though it would be common that that would occur as well.
But they would also be born into families that were having difficult times.
And these children would actually be a form of a teacher.
They would just intuitively know what to eat, too.
They would tend to eat more vegetables than meat.
And it would be at an early age, so it wouldn't be because they had developed a consciousness, at least an aware consciousness, of of humanity towards animals, for example.
It was just that they would be drawn to certain foods, be very specific, and certain colored foods.
They would almost intuitively know things.
And by the time that they were two or three years old, they would easily grasp languages.
And they would have at least a partial, initially, recall I'm getting a lot of parents beginning to report that kind of thing.
their parents these stories of someone else.
But it really was that they would recall some of their previous incarnations and they could
accurately describe it and talk about it.
Highly telepathic as well.
I'm getting a lot of parents beginning to report that kind of thing, you know what?
It started, like I said, at least I forecast it was going to start in a significant way
in the 90s.
And as we moved into the new millennium, the thing was going to take a big jump.
And again, it's all part of this expanding consciousness, this global consciousness that's just moving like a freight train that's pulled out of the station.
And now it's really headed into the open road.
And that's where we're at right now.
We're seeing this.
And as a result of it, this is one of the things that I see that the educational system is going to totally break down and totally be changed to deal with this because a lot of the first Blu-rays
that came in in the 60s and 70s, for example, reached adulthood and those that
went into the teaching profession and then later into positions of authority in education are
going to be positioned very soon to bring about this change because to bring down any
kind of a change in an institute is almost an impossibility.
It almost has to collapse or crash before it can be rebuilt.
Yes.
Yet this one is going to move fairly quickly.
The things that we no longer see as of value, for example, whenever money gets tight, we cut education, we cut the arts, and those things are going to turn around.
It's going to turn around where we're going to see these as a more important value and
you're going to see communities start to really support this.
Well, as I said earlier, I view it now and have for a while now as this great race.
and And will consciousness expand to the point where we save ourselves, or will the negativity that's going on in the world right now, and it's manifest, overtake
Oh, it's kind of a race.
I mean, which is going to win out?
Well, you know, there's cycles.
And, you know, we've had some dark ages.
You know, we actually literally have these dark ages.
Yes, we do.
And, you know, the days of the Inquisitions.
And that continues.
And it still continues today.
You know, we're still working on other countries.
And other countries, obviously, are trying to destroy us.
So the battle between light and dark goes on.
Sometimes they have the upper hand and other times they don't.
We are moving to a time period, which I see lasting for about 1800 years, where our world
and our consciousness is going to go through some really hard times here in the next decade.
But during the same time period there is going to be great growth, great spiritual expansions
and then afterwards we are going to see a world quite changed and quite positive.
It doesn't mean that there will not be challenges along the next 1800 years, but it would be so different.
Once there's a redistribution of the wealth of the planet and value systems are put in and children are given a prime directive of This is our most valuable resource.
Once that occurs, there's no stopping it.
The energy just will steamroll ahead.
That's some kind of hot-button phrase you just dropped.
A redistribution of the wealth.
That's political.
And that's at the very heart of what America is.
America is a wealthy country.
We have most of the wealth.
and yet you know wealth at any given day can you know billions and trillions of dollars can be lost you
know so we have seen
you know and and and we haven't seen the end here this this summer probably end
of the summer we're we're gonna see another economic meltdown
and uh... so you know it it's you see how many you know there's a dozen
Wait a minute.
Don't just jump over that one.
This summer, you see an economic meltdown?
Late summer, probably.
We may see a little pick up here in the short term, in the next month or two.
We may see a little forward movement.
In January, I said that this year we would see declines in markets, though I did see the fairing better than the Dow, for example, and I saw gold,
as I said two years ago, that gold would really start a run-up in 2001.
It's on the way.
Yeah, in 2002 and 2003, it's going to continue to really roll as other markets decline.
So, you know, I don't think that we're in this recovery that the spin masters want us
to believe.
I think we're about to go into another dip, and that dip is going to bring markets further
down and unemployment, unfortunately, will rise.
I sense that August, September are the months when this is going to occur.
I'll remember that one.
First time caller on the line.
Let's try a couple.
You're on the air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Where are you, please?
Yes.
My name is Darlene.
I'm calling from Seattle.
And I do remember when he was on last and mentioned Afghanistan, and you have so many guests, you know.
That's right.
Even with those terrible tragedies last September, it just hit me when I heard him tonight make reference to that, you know.
First time I recalled that that prediction had been made.
And I'm curious, I was raised in the Tri-Cities, and I've lived in Seattle a long time, and I'm thinking about moving to Ellensburg, which, Mr. Scott, you may know, with your travels, is like midpoint between.
Now, I wouldn't pack up my bags and go, because somebody said something's going to happen, but I was just wondering if that might be a good suggestion.
The Northwest, well, that's a move from the coast to inland in Washington.
Yeah.
You said a very important thing that I wholeheartedly support and that is don't move because someone indicates, suggests or says to.
You move because there is something inside of you that says, I need to move.
Many times we move for one reason, but really it's for a hidden reason.
I experience this all the time.
The Seattle area is, I love that area.
I've done some seminars there and I enjoy it.
I have friends there.
Yeah, I do too.
And I like it.
However, it's also, you know, it's also in a very high risk area geophysically.
You know, the known part of geophysical.
So, you know, you have to take, you have to look at what the hard sciences of your area.
There's, you know, the things that I've been predicting for the area are going to be Mount Rainier will fire off.
And that's the final warning when that occurs.
And there's no indication that that's about to occur at this time.
Nevertheless, watch Rainier.
Yeah, it's still in there.
And so the area that you're talking about, I have a general idea where it is.
And, you know, 50 miles to 100 miles from the coast, from a geophysical point of view, at least from my forecasting point of view, is a preferable distance to move to.
You can always take a look at my new future map of North America and you can see the coastline very clearly there.
And you can look at it.
A lot of times what people do, they take the map and they write me and they say, I don't agree that it's going to be this severe or I don't agree that it's going to go this far.
But it helped me to decide that what was really important is to be near family.
So I'm going to move in an entirely different direction than I was going to move in.
So oftentimes it will help you along that way.
The area that you're thinking about moving to is a high risk area from my perspective.
All right.
I want to give you an opportunity to plug.
I know you've got a newsletter and I know that you've got a map.
And so how do people get in touch with more information about what you're talking about?
Well, if they have internet access, or your local library, you can go there.
You can go to www.matrixinstitute.com.
And there, everything that we do, our bulletins, everything is available right there.
You can find out all about us and what we do.
If you're interested in the new map that just came out, we just started shipping it last week.
The future map of North America, 3rd edition.
You can call 603- 2-5-6-6-5-2-0 between 9 a.m.
and 4 p.m.
Eastern Time.
That's 6-0-3-2-5-6-6-5-2-0.
6-5-2-0.
Okay.
But between 9 a.m.
and 4 p.m.
is the time period when we have staff members in for support.
So you've called in those time periods.
Somebody can help you and then they can The maps are available either as a wall map, they're quite large and they're in full color, and they're shipped in a tube, or if you want one to carry around with you, you can get them folded and it fits into an 8.5 by 11 folder, which we provide for you, so you can, if you're traveling around with it, you can do those.
And they're really inexpensive.
I think they're $25 or $30 plus the shipping, and the maps themselves cost almost, I think, $80,000 to produce.
Wow.
Not cotton printing.
And my time, of course, is always donated, so there's nothing there.
Okay.
But that would be something that they could do.
All right.
Everybody's going to ask for that number again.
Area code 603-256-6520.
Banker's Hours Times.
East Coast.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Hello.
Hello.
East Coast, you're on the air.
Yes.
Can you hear me?
Okay, I have a question about, well, he answered my question about the map.
I can just go there and take a look and see what it looks like.
The thing I was curious about is the water.
How much, when he said the New Magic Fault, how soon?
Could you give us a pinpoint on that, how soon that would happen?
And also, would it flood all of Arkansas?
Alright.
Okay.
The time period is...
We're in a three-year window that I said would occur, so it's anytime between now and the end of next year is the window that it could occur in, and not all of Arkansas.
It's just that when the land splits, it's going to divert major waterways, and then they're going to flood into lower waterways.
So, not all of it by any means, but you're going to see the formation of new major lakes there.
New Lakes.
All right.
One more, maybe.
West of the Rockies.
You're on the air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Hello.
Yes.
Hi, Gordon.
Very interesting show tonight.
Where are you, sir?
Oh, I'm here in Phoenix.
This is Dave.
OK.
Yeah, I wanted to know, Gordon, how you thought about that Art Redder-Erisat statement earlier this hour, this half hour, last hour.
It was kind of the retaliation was going to Shake the liar into something that's going to shake the world.
Was that going to follow Iran?
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
That's what I would hope.
That's not going to happen, from him at least.
He has already been isolated.
If you look at the symbology, we saw Israel isolating his compound.
They could have taken him out anytime, anywhere over the past decade or more.
It was never an issue.
It's not a problem to remove him, forcibly.
The issue has always been who can be placed in position that will bring some kind of belief system, because now the U.S.
was always the broker for balance, and we're no longer supporting him.
So what we're seeing is he's further isolated, and as somebody becomes more isolated, they become more vocal and more attacked.
We'll take a different attack on it.
They're trying to, you know, it's almost like a cornered animal.
That's how I kind of see how we are.
I hope some kind of resolution transpires or evolves in that region.
Well, I think once the political climate changes, and I do see that occurring relatively soon, this year, I see a change.
Israel is going to isolate that whole area.
I mean, they're going to do it in many, many ways.
But I do see a change, and you'll see it as a woman.
And I think when that happens, that healing process will begin.
It won't be quick, it'll begin.
But that's just one piece of the puzzle now.
That's one issue.
Other issues of Iran and Iraq, that's another whole story.
That's the dedication to the annihilation of Israel.
You know, that in the Arab world is going to continue to be a strong force to combat.
It's hard to imagine how Iraq and Iran might in some way target Israel without our becoming immediately involved.
This particular time I don't think that we are going to Just look at, you know, we had plans, I believe we had plans on the board that by now, probably in May, we would have struck Iraq.
And those plans have been put on hold because of other world events that are going on.
I don't see us doing it.
I know that there's all the rhetoric and I know the swords are banging and they're saying we're going to go after Iraq, it's just a matter of time.
I don't see that happening.
I see something else happening first.
Yeah, Israel.
And then I see us, you know, supporting them in different ways.
Mostly through arms and through intelligence and special forces.
But I don't see a build-up like we had with the Gulf War at all.
And you see this nuclear exchange, we'll call it, in the Middle East in the next couple of years?
It's probable it's going to happen.
Next year is a window in the... 2003 and 2004 are two years that are very dark in my vision.
I mean, really dark.
So, you know, there's a lot of things that are going to be going on.
Not just singular things, but lots of different things.
You know, politically, environmentally, economically, and socially.
They're all going to go on at the same time.
Boy, they're all underway right now.
Gordon, thank you as always.
Our program is over.
We just whizzed right through it.
Thank you, my friend, and it's going to be interesting.
Next couple of years, I think you're right on target.
Thank you, Gordon.
OK, Eric.
My pleasure.
Good night.
Bye-bye.
That's Gordon Michael Scalia.
And are you surprised?
Very dark, he said, the next couple of years.
Certainly doesn't surprise me.
Again, the Matrix Institute is at area code 603-256-6520.
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