Philip H. Krapf, a Pulitzer-winning Los Angeles Times journalist, claims alien abductions by the Verdants—part of a 27,000-species intergalactic federation—who warned that nuclear use would end their monitoring, citing 9/11 as a turning point. Art Bell bans psychic Kreskin after he admitted faking a UFO prediction to test public manipulation, breaking a $50K charity pledge. Callers debate Flight 93’s heroism via cell phone evidence, helium vs. hydrogen solar fears, and HAARP’s ionospheric risks, while Bell dismisses conspiracy theories like nuclear buybacks or foreknowledge of 9/11. A caller’s 1993 "goat man" encounter hints at paranormal ties to indigenous rituals, leaving Bell intrigued but time-constrained. [Automatically generated summary]
As a race on this planet, you know, if we go to war.
By the way, while we're on that subject, this hour's news is kind of interesting.
Pakistani jets shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane late today.
And the tension is building again.
Now, Pakistan wanted a decrease in tensions, they say, quoting, but if Indian aggression is launched, Pakistan will defend itself.
So the tensions over there are obviously extremely high right now.
And I thought it would be interesting to hear from Pilcraft himself on what the verdict said.
And so that's going to be one thing we're going to do tonight.
I want to note a couple of things here.
One, I've had the link to the UFO, supposed UFO, during the President's speech removed from the website.
And that's because I had a whole raft of people who figured it out, including late tonight Richard C. Hogwart, comment on it earlier.
Then he figured it out too.
And a whole bunch of people sent me an email.
And the fact of the matter is, they used an unusual angle.
And the president, the camera was actually right in line with Reagan International.
Reagan International.
So that was, in all likelihood, not a reflection.
A lot of people say, oh, it's a reflection.
No, it wasn't.
It was probably a plane because they were right in the flight path of Reagan International.
So that would seem to explain that.
On the lighter side tonight, and I really mean the lighter side, I found something last night that just from Cornell University that just totally, totally, well, I don't want to give anything away.
It's on my website right now.
It is the first item under what's new.
And I would like you to go and take the test and report to me tonight on how you do.
It's simply called the insanity test.
Now, be sure you have your speakers, your computer speakers on when you take the insanity test.
That's an absolute, you have to have speakers on.
Somebody at Cornell put this together.
I have no idea how.
Whoever did it was genius, really good.
And if you can take that test and pass, maybe it should be called the sanity test, actually.
You've got to do it.
It probably will make your weekend.
The insanity test.
On my website at artbell.com right now.
Look, we've got this weather forecast here in Peramp.
Once again, the gods are going to blow hard out across our desert, and we are forecast to have wind gusts to 60 miles per hour tomorrow.
It should certainly make it an interesting day, and no doubt, more viruses and dinosaur eggs are going to get picked up if this occurs, along with a lot of lawn furniture.
We saw some pretty weird things after the last windstorm.
Pools flying through the air.
Those rubber pools.
Well, the water goes whoosh, you know, and then the pool goes whoosh.
And, of course, tree limbs and entire trees.
And, you know, it was like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz last time out here.
We had 84 mile-an-hour winds.
Well, tomorrow, they're starting out now by saying 60-mile-per-hour gusts.
We'll see where it goes from there.
That's the same thing they said last time.
So it's going to be another one of those days.
In the meantime, if you will stay right there, I will be right back.
You sent me a press release today, Or your people did.
You know, your people originally contacted me to get on there, and that's fine.
And then today I got this press release, and what the press release says in part, quoting you: my original intention was to demonstrate a scenario how an enemy possessing the same skill and abilities as myself might create a mass happening on an even larger scale and over a much greater territorial area, said Christian.
Now, so in other words, your original intention was deception.
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My original intention was using psychological persuasion to show how.
Well, thanks to NBC, and obviously people know about the traffic jams on Las Vegas Boulevard last night, as it turns out, at 10, at 11.03, Well, not somebody saw something.
But the people outside did not know what I had told the audience in the theater, and that was that this whole plan was, first of all, to show something that had worried me greatly since 9-11, how a ruthlessly an enemy could utilize and manipulate the imagination of people's minds and use it in a very serious manner.
As I've said since Monday, from a quarter of 10 to midnight was the time spectrum of this whole phenomenon.
At 11.03, as the crews were packing, now the suggestion I planted in the minds of the 41 people was basically something of a green light type effect, although some people were crying because they felt noise and vibrations and so forth, but that's a very subjective phenomenon.
The truth of the matter is that there were thousands for the first, where have in history, we've all seen films that can be altered, but people saw this for real because some of the crew called home to tell their families and they were watching it.
And if anyone saw the playbacks this morning on the news, and at noon, it was seen originally live, live by.
Now, in the end, sure, who knows what it could be.
If she stayed, she would have seen the phenomena because it was within the framework of a quarter of 10 to midnight.
And it did happen within a quarter of 10 to midnight.
Had she stayed, as some of the other people did and who have sent letters to me and called me, she would have seen right there what some 16 newsmen and crew people saw in the future.
And what you did, the Twin Towers have no relationship whatsoever except they're both acts, in my opinion, of terrorism.
Take care.
Kresskin, I'll tell you something else.
I'll tell you something else.
I have, in all the years that I've done this, this kind of programming, I have never banned but, let's see, one, two, three, or four people from my show.
So you can still count it on one hand, but I had one.
Crescent, you're banned from my show.
You hung up.
He's banned forevermore from my show.
While I do this program, he will never again appear.
I know exactly how it came down.
And I read his press release today, and in his own press release, he admits that he intended to deceive as compared to what he said twice on my program.
To the entire listening audience, it was, I thought, very clear.
Was it not very clear to you?
He claims 41 people here saw it.
This is, again, his own press release dated today, June 7th, from his office.
And it has quotes around his words.
Quote, my original intention was to demonstrate a scenario how an enemy possessing the same skill and abilities as myself might create a mass happening on an even larger scale and over a much larger territorial area, end quote.
In other words, from the he knew damn well when he came on my program and said there would be as many as three or four craft.
It would be the sighting of the century, and there would be hundreds of people involved in seeing it.
And he went out there at about 10, 15, or 20 in that area and dropped two handkerchiefs.
Now, he had done some work with an audience and maintained about 300 of that audience inside during a show.
And he'd been doing a little mental work with them.
And I guess the dropping of the handkerchief was some sort of key for them to see something.
So his original intent was whatever in the hell happened later in the night after everybody left and was packing up is completely irrelevant.
Totally, completely irrelevant.
And I draw a line between those guests that I have on the program who claim to be visionaries or mentalists or psychics or whatever word they use and claim to have had a vision or information that's come to them that says something or another will happen.
Well, if it doesn't happen, at least they came to me honestly.
And I don't feel that was the case with the somewhat, in my opinion, very much less than amazing Prescott.
And that was not the case.
He did not come to me honestly.
And yes, I'm pissed.
You bet I'm pissed.
And he is banned.
Banned from this show forever.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast.
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Phil Kraff, I said the other day, you know, I really have got Adam on.
I read this item, which I'll reread here in a moment, and we'll have him on.
This is remarkable stuff.
Phil Kraft is a remarkable person who worked 25 years as an editor on the Metro Copy Desk at the Los Angeles Times.
During that time, he shared in a Pulitzer Prize as a member of the Metro team that covered the L.A. riots of 92.
Before his retirement in 93, Kraft had spent a total of 30 years in the newspaper business, starting out as a cub reporter and eventually becoming the managing editor of a suburban newspaper in the San Fernando Valley before moving on to the L.A. Times.
Remained active in retirement as a freelance writer.
On June 9th of 97, Philip found himself whisked aboard an alien spacecraft where he spent the next few days being peacefully indoctrinated into a fascinating new world.
He wrote about his experiences in The Contact Has Begun, the true story of a journalist's encounter with alien beings.
And we've interviewed him on that subject, and the alien beings that he talked to were the Verdants.
And an alarming message last night about what the Verdants apparently had said.
I read something which I understand sort of the way things do made it around the internet back to you, and you thought was perhaps exaggerated.
What I actually read on the air is what you have sent on top, or below your bio here, word for word.
Now, you know, the internet begins to, I guess, you know, blow things up, whisper in one ear and another.
No, that's what the internet is.
But this is serious enough as it is.
As we all know, there's a threatened nuclear war between Pakistan and India.
The news tonight on that front is not so good, incidentally.
The tensions are increasing because Pakistan jets just shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane, and, you know, it's just not good.
And so you have had alien contact, apparently, on this subject.
Is that correct?
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I've had contact.
There's kind of a tenuous link that's kind of opened up.
It's not really, I'm not dealing directly with them, but I do have a I am receiving information from them, although it's a tenuous link, so I'm not actually in direct communication, but I have received some information, and I'm not pushing it because I don't know how quickly it'll close down.
That was on the book's website, the website that my publisher set up.
And it says, and this was May 30th, I believe, or is there 30 days instead of May?
31 days in May, I think there are.
Yeah, I think it was dated at anyway, at the end of May.
It says, several days ago I received word that the moment any faction on Earth, be it a government or other geopolitical, social, or special interest group, uses a nuclear device as a weapon against any perceived enemy, the verdants will be leaving the environs of Earth.
There is great concern among the extraterrestrials that conflicts, most notably in the Middle East and on the Indian subcontinent, have escalated to the point in recent months where the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons by one or more of the combatants has become a very distinct and disastrous possibility.
And this is in quotes here, if the nuclear virus is unleashed, it will be beyond the ability of anyone and likely will spread across the face of the earth like a pestilence of unimagined horror and proportions, the statement from the Virgin says.
And then continuing, quoting, at that point, we will consider the human race a lost cause and not worth monitoring any longer in the hopes of one day nurturing it so that it could take its place among the intergalactic community of enlightened beings.
It will be time for us to move on and leave the species to play out its destiny, which is not very bright at the moment, the statement continued.
And that's the end of the quote there.
And then the last paragraph says, the statement came to me directly from an official representative of the Virgins, not from a human intermediary.
And has been sanctioned by the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets, and I was given authorization to release it immediately.
Well, that's, you know, so apparently it got blown up to they've already left or something like that.
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Well, I got all kinds of emails, of course, and people are panicking.
People think that the aliens have predicted, have prophesied, that the war is going to break out, and it's not anything like that.
As a matter of fact, quite frankly, if anybody has really read the books closely, this is really a reaffirmation or an affirmation of what they've said before, if you can read between the lines.
I mean, they haven't come out directly and said it, but I got that impression, so I really wasn't surprised by this statement.
And the statement, I think, involves more than just nuclear war.
By the way it's phrased, it says be it a government or other geopolitical, social, or special interest groups.
So I think they're talking also about any kind of terrorist group that might plant a dirty bomb or whatever.
So I think it includes any kind of hostile use rather than just routine testing of a nuclear device that they are going to be out of here.
And as I say, I think it's simply a reaffirmation because it didn't surprise me, the statement.
But I thought, well, I'll put it on the website anyway.
A lot of Americans, a lot of people, in fact, around the world, think that if something catastrophic happens, like nuclear war, aliens will whoosh down and prevent it at the last second.
And that's a poor item to be dependent on from my point of view.
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Well, you know, I can only speak for the one species that I've come in contact with.
And of course, other people, thousands of people have come in contact with other species.
I don't know anything about them.
So I can only speak for this one species.
But this one species, the Burdens, they have made it quite clear that they have not come here as our saviors.
You know, people think that they, yeah, you're right.
They're going to come down here, whoosh down here, and suddenly resolve all our problems for us.
If you really read the book carefully, I mean, yeah, they're compassionate and they're generous and they're mock, and they'd like to give us a hand up and welcome us into the Intergalactic Federation.
They're trying to establish diplomatic relations.
But when you come right down to it, what you get is a species that's looking out for number one.
Well, that's a little harsh.
It's self-interest.
They don't want an aggressive, warlike species going into space that would threaten the peace or threaten their planetary neighbors.
Well, if they're looking down on us generally, I mean, not just the immediate threat of the India-Pakistan war, but nuclear proliferation generally, what happened in New York, 911, and to the Pentagon and all the rest of the whole mess we've been through, they can't be in a real good mood.
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No.
As a matter of fact, my last book that came out last year based on my contact with them in January of 2000 was based upon that's exactly what they were discussing at that time.
In January of 2000, they were discussing some very serious issues.
You see, they felt we were on a road to rehabilitation.
They really felt that once the Cold War ended, that for the first time in world history, and I think a lot of people felt the same way.
Well, it's certainly a step for mankind, no question.
The wall came down.
The number of nuclear weapons is being reduced.
It looked pretty good.
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Right, and they really felt that if we weren't going to be transformed, we weren't going to go through a transformation, but we certainly probably would be marching to the beat of a different drummer going into the new millennium.
And then suddenly, you know, all of all these ethnic and religious heads started spilling up again, and they just became, I mean, wars all over and killings and all kinds of stuff.
Peace was really very, very violent.
You know, if anything, it looks like we were looking towards army rather than hedging towards peace, you know, a rehabilitation.
You know, there's so many different ways of looking at this.
I mean, some people would obviously say even if they didn't step into the middle of the beginning of a nuclear war and blow up the missiles or whatever so there was no catastrophic event, even if they didn't intervene in that way, coming down now or coming down,
say, since September 11th might have some sort of unifying effect on the entire world that actually might prevent something like this from occurring.
I mean, a person could think that.
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I don't think there's any doubt about that.
And actually, the people who write to me and make this argument, I can't help but agree with them.
But then all I can do is repeat what I've been told.
Mankind's destiny is in mankind's hands and that they are not here as our saviors.
And I think this is not only a practical policy, but I think, quite frankly, there's some religious belief behind this.
And I don't remember, I was talking to my publisher the other day, we were discussing this, and I said, I don't remember if I put it in the book.
I know I had it in my notes, but we had a discussion on this one time where they take a real, real long view of people's religions.
They have great respect for people's religions.
And they themselves are religious.
And they do not get involved in, make any judgments whatsoever on how people worship.
And I think, if I remember the discussion, that one of the reasons they don't interfere is that they feel that God has a plan for every species and that they don't know what that plan is.
They don't know what God's plan is, let's say, for the humans, whether we're supposed to, you know.
That was that time when I was in with these aliens when I was kind of frozen out of the dinner meeting with the humans who were up there who didn't want me to associate with them.
And so we had these discussions where I discovered their sense of humor.
We discussed invisibility and reincarnation.
We discussed all kinds of stuff in this kind of informal.
Well, Gene, you don't get into much of a comes about reincarnation with souls and creators and the nature of the universe.
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Yes, that's true.
And as I say, I think this is when that conversation in which they said that, or maybe it was, wait, I'll look for it.
But if I remember the conversation, it was that maybe God's plan is for us to be tested and to see if we have wakes to survive in this very, very cold, harsh cosmos where life is, you know, life is tough.
You know, quite frankly, just watching the Discovery Channel stuff, I found out that if these figures are correct, 99.99% of all species that ever existed on Earth are extinct.
And we're simply not worthy of inclusion in a larger federation of intelligence that is out there.
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At this point, and I think at this point, they said that they're out of here.
I think probably they would continue to monitor us, but I think the efforts to establish diplomatic relations would end until such time as we, if we survived, if we didn't.
Yeah, if we didn't incinerate ourselves and we got through this thing and we evolved and we could start showing that we don't have to be hitting each other over the head all the time.
We stop the killing and stop the fighting and start respecting others and show some tolerance for other religions and races and ethnic groups and other cultures.
Because that's basically, people ask me, what can we do?
I'm so sad.
I've been crying and crying.
I said, I know what the answer is, but unfortunately, I can't get anybody to, you know, we can't get anybody to.
And you know, when somebody with the phone five this man has comes with a story like this, wild as it may be, I think you all should listen, and I certainly am listening.
I mean, this is a man who was right at the copy desk of the L.A. Times for 25 years.
Nothing but straight-on journalism, folks.
Part of a Pulitzer Prize team.
A wild story.
Yeah, pretty wild by, you know, straight news standards, but since when did we ever adhere to those here?
Once again, here is Phil Craft.
Phil, welcome back.
Oh, thanks, Eric.
So, you know, just so there are going to be some people out there that tonight, because of the new affiliates and whatever, are hearing you for the first time.
Give us a real quick version of the original contact with Phil Craft, the retired L.A. Times newspaper guy, huh?
What happened?
Just the real quick one over here.
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Real short version.
Sure.
Real short version.
Mainstream guy didn't believe in this stuff.
Retired from the L.A. Times after 30 years in journalism in 93.
In 97, I had my own experience that I had been reading about other people after this that I didn't believe.
And I was actually thought I was there for an examination, but because that's what most people report that they were there for.
By the way, the only difference between me, or one of the few differences between me and most other people, is that I simply happen to have written about my experiences.
Most other people haven't written books about their experiences.
So there are thousands of others also.
But anyway, I was found out I was recruited to help do a supporting role in an effort to establish diplomatic relations between aliens, this species of aliens and us.
And the reason that they are now choosing now to do that is that this is the way they work.
When a species is on the verge of going into deep space, it's at that point that they make contact and they establish diplomatic relations if they can.
If they can't, then the species doesn't go into space.
They simply said, basically reaffirmed what they implied before, that, look, if you people are going to get involved in this sort of thing, we're just going to pull away.
Do you think that there is any chance that they would conclude that we are indeed not fit to be in space, deep space, and as we would begin to take steps to go to deep space, after they've made their decision, they would have to physically, in some manner, prevent us from leaving our little contaminated island here.
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Well, I think they made that pretty clear.
That's exactly what they do.
They say if the species is going to pose a threat, if it's going to take weapons into space, if it's going to pose a threat to its interplanetary neighbors, it could pose a threat, that they simply don't allow it.
Now, they don't use weapons themselves, and they don't get involved in violence, and they don't hurt people, but they have ways of setting science back several hundred years if they have to.
They can do it.
They've demonstrated it to me.
Well, at least told me how they did it, and it sounded reasonable.
Yeah, quite frankly, I don't think we're going into deep space unless we pass muster and we do establish the diplomatic relations and we're accepted into the intergalactic community of enlightened beings.
I mean, is it one in five that gets in and four or five blowing themselves up?
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Well, they didn't give me any figures like that.
But they did say, I think if I remember, and it's in the book, if I remember, there's about 200 species right now that are currently isolated who have the capability of going into space.
If I recall, I'd have to go back and look at my notes here.
See if anything crawled out of the ashes other than cockroaches.
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Well, even if we, yeah, even if we don't completely annihilate ourselves, incinerate ourselves, I think they're going to still be watching to see what goes on because in the future, I think as we evolve, if we continue to evolve and don't hurt ourselves, I think we're going to evolve to that point where we can.
Basically, a lot of people writing to me, they say, what can we do?
Well, you know, you mentioned earlier that thousands of people have had the experience or one like you had.
And that's absolutely true.
Well, obviously, the reason you're heard is because here you come from the L.A. Times, right?
I mean, that's going to get you in the door right there.
And you're saying something, you know, to a lot of people, it's absolutely incredible, unbelievable what you're saying that you were up in an alien ship and had meetings and then imparted all this information.
Phil, do you think that if there is one, or if there is another major, say, a biological attack, all of this stuff they say is possible and warn us about now, that the Verdants would say goodbye, see you down the road a few thousand years, or some message like that, or they would just be gone?
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I think they've made it pretty clear that they would leave.
No, I'm not sure they would actually leave because I think they have to keep an eye on us to make sure we don't go into space.
I would think they would stop any contact with us, and they would just give up on any effort to establish diplomatic relations because they wouldn't want them at this point.
Just like India and Pakistan, I don't know, I don't presume they have diplomatic relations.
I'm just guessing.
I don't remember reading about it in the paper, but I would just guess at loggerheads, and they simply are not talking.
And I think they would stop talking to us, but I think they would still be in the neighborhood and keep an eye on us because if they're going to isolate us, they're going to have to take down a few satellites, you know, scientific satellites that are important to the space program and things like that.
Well, I'm thinking of another book, but I have to have something to write about.
If I had another experience, and I don't know that I ever will, I never know from one day to the next, you know, if I'm ever going to see them again, you know, because it was like the first time was in 97, and it was two and a half years went by before I even heard from them again.
Even after you had contact, Phil, how long did you think about it before, I mean, somebody with your background writes a book like this?
How much thinking about it did you have to do before you finally said to yourself, no, the hell with it, I'm retired.
I'm going to just tell the truth.
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Well, I really didn't give it to...
I said, no, I don't want to get involved in that.
I've got too much to lose.
Because people, there's still a stigma attached to this.
There's 50% of the people or more in the country, I would guess.
I mean, I'm just guessing.
I don't know the exact figure.
Who think you're loony talking about this sort of thing?
I know.
I just received some, I received letters from some very, very high-powered, important people.
I mean, not world leaders or anything like that.
I'm talking about people in the community.
This medical doctor, and he is interested in this sort of thing.
And he told me that his wife says, don't tell anybody you're interested in this or read any books about it.
Don't let them know about it.
I've heard from several physicians.
I've heard from professors at major universities.
So more and more, actually, more and more credible people are coming out these days that would have come out 10, 15, 20 years ago, in which they would have put you in a rubber room.
And, oh, you asked me how long did I take to think about it?
Well, once I got back, I already made up my mind and do it.
I knew I was going to pay a price.
There's no doubt about that.
But I knew that I also was retired, so I didn't have to worry about the ridicule and the derision at work, and I'd not have to worry about getting knocked off my career track or anything.
We'll be the lover For your life you've never seen One game but win One game but win Then it was not a very good, uh, not a very good job, I would say, because it wasn't hundreds, and hundreds were required, or he was going to give $50,000 to charity.
Now he's decided he's not going to give $50,000 to charity.
Well, so be it.
To me, that's the end of that.
It's the end of that, and I don't want to talk about that.
The El Niño in our Pacific is building.
Now, temperatures are increasing right now in a large portion of the Pacific, including along the coast of Ecuador, Peru, temperatures up 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, which is actually a lot.
It represents a, quote, significant transition, end quote, from local warm areas earlier in the year toward a more extensive basinwide warming type typical of El Niño.
So we've got one going.
We'll see what happens.
There is now drought across much of the U.S. Very, very serious drought across a whole lot of the U.S. As a matter of fact, drought emergencies have been declared in many parts of the country.
So in a moment, we'll come back and we'll jump into open lines.
And anything other than this Kreskin thing is open for comment.
My question is, over all the years that I've been listening to your program and listening to others, I've always wondered whether there was really aliens that come from another place or not to get here.
And I've been recently thinking that if there is, and I'm sure somewhere out there something exists besides us.
The one question that I would have, though, is, how are they here?
In other words, I'll give you an example.
If I was an alien, which I'm not, and I had a spacecraft and I was going to do space travel, and I looked up into the sky through whatever means I had, and there was millions and millions and millions of stars surrounding me in one direction or another,
how would I know which one to go to when I had no means of communication to get there if I had the means to travel fast enough to get there because of the distances?
Well, there are many who believe that space can, in effect, be folded.
You know, like, just imagine you take a sheet of paper.
A lot of modern physicists believe this.
Take a sheet of paper, and if an ant gets on one side of the paper and you just hold the paper out straight, and the ant has to crawl all the way along across the paper to get one side to the other, it takes them a long time.
But if you fold that paper together, then all he does is jump from one side to the next.
And they were talking about the pyramids, some of them being built, and the Sphinx being built 20,000, 30,000.
My question is this.
If Adam was the first person on earth and he existed approximately 6,000 years ago, then that would mean that nothing could have been done before that.
And so, you know, I have a very, very difficult time getting next to that concept that it all began 6,000 years ago.
And I know there are many very articulate people who make arguments and pretty good arguments that it did all begin 6,000 years ago.
It's just that there is so much real hard science that tears that to bits.
In fact, actually now the pendulum is swinging virtually, totally in the other direction, and we're beginning to find signs of prior civilizations.
And we're beginning to dip back into first tens of thousands of years, and then hundreds of thousands of years.
And by golly, if something's down 2,200 feet off the coast of Cuba, millions of years, perhaps.
Now, I'm glad you said what you did about George Norrie.
I think he also is a very, very, very capable fill-in.
And so I would like to announce something that I'm going to do that might strike some of you as strange, but it kind of isn't.
As you know, I've had a very, very difficult year.
And it's like God's had his foot down on me.
I've been waiting for him to lift it so I could crawl out.
You know, we had a lot of back trouble.
I had a lot of back trouble.
And that kept me out for a while.
And then I had some mysterious, God-forsaken disease, no doubt blown in by the same stinking ill wind that's going to blow later tomorrow, my time zone.
And then my wife had it and an asthma attack and all the rest of it.
So, you know, I missed some time.
But coming up, June 20th, which is, I think, three days after my birthday, June 20th, I am going to take a vacation.
A real vacation.
Not one where you're screaming because you're back and not one where you have a fever of 103 or four.
But a real vacation.
Despite the time that I took off, I'm going to take an actual vacation and I am not going to fly anywhere.
Ramona and myself are going to take maybe a day or two away at a time and go to some close locations and try and enjoy ourselves and just have some real, honest-to-God, healthy R ⁇ R. And during that time, the exceptionally capable George Norrie is going to take over.
So that'll be from about June 20th through the 1st of July.
Now, let me add something here.
In the broadcast business, a survey goes on literally all the time, the entire year.
There are spring, summer, fall, and winter books, so-called, by Arbitron, and they measure audience, you know.
So it's very important that you be here.
There is one and only one time of the entire year that there's not an Arbitron underway.
Or in TV, they'd call them the sweeps.
Only once in the whole year that it's not underway, and that time is roughly between June 20th and July 1st.
So in that time period, you get the opportunity to enjoy George Norain.
George gets it.
George really gets it.
George is a pretty cool guy.
Of all the people, and we've had some very capable hosts in here over the years, I would say, perhaps better than any of them, George gets it.
And that's the only way I know to put it.
He gets it.
He's new at it, but he gets it.
And that's really important.
So George Norrie will be here from June 20th through July 1st.
Just thought I'd let you know.
Wild Card line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello?
Yes, hello.
I said I called to say how much I enjoyed hearing Ramona on the radio last night.
When she gets really excited and there's really something where, you know, you kind of need her voice because she's a witness of something, then she's, if I push her a little, she's willing to come on.
And I always have to push a little, but she has a great radio voice.
You just go ahead and email the website to me, and I'd be glad to review it.
But on occasion, as innocent as one URL may sound on the air, when it's actually engaged by the people who just heard about it, they find something awful or pornographic or something.
And I'm sure that's not the case.
But when that happened, we made that rule immediately that we don't just allow random URLs to be given out on the air for that exact reason.
Listen, I have listened to many hosts fill in on this program, and we've had some good ones and some not-so-good ones and some mediocre ones and the whole range.
I just think that George basically gets it.
And, you know, so to me, that's really important because, frankly, I haven't said that of too many of the rest of them.
Their approach has been one way or another, but they don't quite get what the program is all about.
George gets it.
So cut him some slack, and I think you'll find out.
unidentified
I just enjoy hearing you because you're knowledgeable about all kinds of things, and I just enjoy your kind of interviews.
I think people are really looking back and saying, wow, you know, maybe this is our chance to maybe stop things from like the genies out of the bottle, but maybe we can stop these things from happening.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if we could catch these people in one general place, these people who killed our people, I say drop, attack New Gonham and turn them into total ash.
I mean, that's the primal side of me, and I'm not going to hide it.
an actual vacation where we're not incapacitated in some manner or another, real vacation.
And this time, it's not going to be a, you know, maybe we can prevent, and Well, you see, I've always flown.
You know, my wife and I love Paris, France, and it's very romantic, and so I'd fly her to Paris when I get the chance.
And under ordinary circumstances, by God, I'd fly her to Paris, and we'd sit on the Seine and eat bread and drink wine and catch up on each other because we lived very busy lives.
Not this time.
You know, something's changed since 9-11.
And I don't know.
It feels better staying domestic.
We're going to stay pretty close to home.
I mean, we're going to take a few trips in the giant mobile out there.
But we're going to stay close to home.
And it's just a feeling I have, and I think it's shared by a lot of Americans right now.
You know, people are Flying, I note, for business reasons.
Certainly, they're still flying for business reasons, and they're flying when they have to for family reasons, you know, important reasons.
I understand that.
When you go coast to coast, you've got to fly.
Take five, six days to drive it, and you'll be tired when you get there otherwise.
So, you've got to fly.
But what people are not doing is a whole lot of optional flying, you know, enjoyment flying.
You know, let's just take off and go down to Mexico for the weekend or something like that.
That sort of thing isn't happening as much since 9-11.
And another thing I'd just like to say to you, too, I work out here in Hollywood, and you've certainly kept me company on a lot of all-nighters I've been on, so I just want to say thanks.
And I have to say that one thing, and I don't know whether it's a self-comforting theory, but I've really come to at least one conclusion after listening to you after all these years, and that is that there is definitely powers out there that, you know, obviously we can't explain, but I believe that there's albeit creatures or another race or something along those lines.
The one thing, though, that I've been rolling around in my brain for a long time, and I don't know whether it's a comfort to the families or whether it's a comfort to myself or what have you.
And when I say this, I'm not talking about the FBI or the CIA.
I've always, almost the days after it happened, I sat there and I said, this is like an event like the Titanic.
If somebody knew, if some greater power than us knew and did nothing, then the people who think we'll be rescued from a nuclear war by some little green guys who are going to come swooping down and scarf up the nukes better think again.
unidentified
I agree with that.
But I'll tell you this.
And the reason I, you know, this has been going around in my head, excuse me, my feeling is that had somebody known and somebody done something, because it couldn't have, it would have been somebody that would have known that would have had a power to do it, you know, based on everything I've heard over the years, any number of ways could have been, you know, without even making it look like it was some kind of divine power to come in long before it even happened.
You know, some these hijackers could have disappeared or somebody could have, the memo could have gotten to the right person at the right time, you know, just a little nudge in that direction.
A lot of things had to come together for that to happen.
To me, somebody didn't do it because I feel that had somebody interfered, it might have, in other words, that timeline where no one interferes, who knows?
By that point, you know, Israel might have nuked somebody by now.
So yeah, something, you know, it brought the world together at a time that maybe something worse might happen down the line.
If something had interfered, then something perhaps more dire would have occurred.
A nuclear exchange, a Middle East war with nukes, or Indian Pakistan, which we face anyway.
Yeah, I'm tracking with you there.
But you know, one thing did happen that didn't happen.
Flight 93.
The heroes of Flight 93.
Now that airplane, I think even Washington now admits, was in all likelihood headed to White House.
And imagine the additional shock and horror to the American psyche if a plane of that size had crashed into the White House, virtually destroying it, burning it, burning it up, destroying the White House.
Imagine the additional shock to the American psyche, even though the President, as we know, was in Florida, not there at the time.
There would have been many killed at the White House, but instead, people on that airplane intervened and they took it down, knowing they were taking it down to their own deaths.
You see, you just point it out yourself in a way by saying that, in fact, if you look on my website, again, under What's New, you'll have to go down a ways and you'll see Arts Folded $20 bill.
Well, that's not Arts Folded $20 bill.
Ramona folded that.
I'm lousy at that kind of stuff.
This thing circulated around the Internet like crazy.
I mean, it went around the Internet like wildfire.
So if you've got email, you've got a version of it.
And Ramona read the instructions and folded the $20 bill, and I scanned it.
I did a high-resolution scan.
So many of them I've seen are very low-resolution.
She did a wonderful job of folding it, and then I did a high-res scan.
And I'll be damned if that is not what it looks like.
It looks like the Twin Towers, which have been hit and are burning.
And it looks exactly like that.
So make of that what you will.
It could be a coincidence.
But that's a pretty big coincidence.
We've got that on the website.
Ramona's folded version of the $20 bill.
Go take a look if you haven't seen it yet.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Art?
Yes.
Hi, I'm Spencer from Houston, Texas.
Yes, sir.
Hi.
I was just wondering what could have possibly happened with Crescent's service.
That's two tonight that I think I ought to just take instruction.
unidentified
just love the way it begins.
Our love is a flame Money's in it Now and then Wildlife will catch you Stumbling in Thank you.
Wherever you go, whatever you do, you know me so you're falling for you Whatever you do Baby,
you need some things that I never knew Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033 First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222 And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295 to rechart on the toll-free international line,
call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
And, you know, I think I like this because I think basically I feel that love is probably, truthfully, the most important, powerful human emotion that exists.
And there's a lot more to it than we understand right now.
We'll be right back if you'll be so kind as to stay planted.
And I've also had about 10 million emails saying people feel the sun is hotter, that the rays of the sun burn their skin or affect their skin more quickly, that when they do look at the sun, which nobody should do, it appears now white more than it does the old yellowish sun that we sort of remember with more yellow color than not.
This friend of mine got home at night, and his bedroom was out in the garage.
So he's laying in his bed, which is against the wall.
And all of a sudden, he starts feeling this tapping on his shoulder.
And nothing could be behind him, so he kind of ignored it and kept feeling his tapping and turned around and saw the ghost of his next-door neighbor, his wife.
And it was the next morning he woke up and his mother told him that this woman had died that morning.
It says that everything is connected to everything else.
Everything, literally, every thought, every consciousness, the desk in front of you, the house around you, the earth beneath your feet, all of it is in some way connected.
And that's a real loose sort of description of non-locality, but everything is connected.
unidentified
Sounds almost like how they describe the matrix and the movie.
And therefore, people who do remote viewing and some psychics may be tapping into this great non-locality, and maybe that's where they're getting some of their information.
And I guess my comment is that during that point, just shortly after 9-11, I remember hearing something about wreckage that had supposedly blown away from the site of the crash itself.
No, something like 10 miles or something outrageous like that.
And it just makes me kind of wonder If possibly they weren't shot down.
There are a number of people who actually there had been an order given, it's my understanding.
There had been presidential authority and an order given that would have perhaps shot down Flight 93, or they were going to try, but they wouldn't have made it.
And, of course, they didn't make it to the other ones, and they probably would not have made it to shoot down Flight 93.
But there are some people who believe they did, in fact, shoot it down.
I'm not one of them.
The record is pretty damn clear in terms of the cell phone conversations between the passengers and their family.
And, you know, the cell phone conversations indicating that the passengers were going to try and overwhelm the hijackers and stop it and crash it if they had to.
That's pretty clear.
unidentified
I'm just, I kind of think that maybe folks may get tied up too much into the patriotic side of what's going on and looking to these folks as heroes when maybe...
Even the people who are doing the research in this area, sir, the deep research, agreed with me that we don't know enough yet.
unidentified
What if with the India-Pakistan thing, that mess, if we did a thing where we were collectively pouring unconditional love into Kashmir, because that's kind of the flashpoint there.
I was just thinking, I wonder if this is the way to...
Yeah.
I wonder if that's a way to get around that problem.
I wouldn't stop you for one second from pouring all the unconditional love you want that way.
But I'm sorry.
I can't get on that horse.
You're probably right.
I appreciate your call.
Thank you.
You know, love is powerful, and he may be exactly right.
And I'm just not evolved enough to participate in such an event.
Nor am I inclined to experiment in that area.
Now, I will say this.
If something began, if, oh, I don't know, if a conventional war began that was obviously about to become nuclear, would I consider doing something?
Yes, I would, but I would think, boy, I would come at it so hesitantly.
But just prior to an event, if I had warning, if a conventional war had begun, I would be pushed to consider it.
But I'm frankly afraid of it.
I'm afraid of unintended consequences.
And I think any reasonable person who really understands this power, and this is not something to fool around with, would have, or should have, the same kind of cautions.
We don't have a lot of time here, but East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Well, there is a crew up in Medford, Oregon, in New Jersey, in California.
There are many, many people involved in getting this broadcast from point A to point B. It always just kind of seems like you and your back room having fun.
Well, you know, actually, it kind of is.
I'll tell you what, if you it's our nickel, if you can afford to hang on through the news, I'll hold on to you, all right?
I have taken, years ago, I took a bedroom in my house and I converted it to a full studio.
Now, when you hear other hosts, you know, ones who fill in for me, and in fact, most all talk show hosts across America, they're sitting there at a desk with a microphone and a headphone on, and they're receiving orders and break cues and listening to someone else run their bumper music and play their commercials, and they just sit there in front of that mic and talk when it comes time for them to talk.
That's even the case with, you know, like George Norrie, for example, or any of the other people who fill in here.
And it's the modern way of doing things.
Now, I'm not real modern.
And so I have everything here in this room you talked about.
I've got the control board.
I answer all the telephones myself.
I don't let anybody else do that.
I have cart machines, so I do all my own commercials right from here.
They're not done from somewhere else.
They're done here.
I pick and play all of my own bumper music.
So in other words, I'm doing it all right here.
And so the job that they have in Medford, for the person who is there, is reduced to watching levels and perhaps adding a sub-audible tone or something like that for affiliate stations.
And so that's what I do.
Now, there was a day when I didn't let anybody else do anything.
For example, I pre-interviewed all of my own guests.
So when I would wake up in the morning, I would begin interviewing guests all day long until it was time to go to sleep and wake up and do the program.
There's been a lot of concern out there about global warming, and certainly with this Enron situation that occurred and rock the country, and all of our great pension IRAs are suffering because of it.
Now Americans are going to suffer because there's just far too much fossil fuel out there being burned.
Create a vacuum vortex that one air chamber releases into the next air chamber 51 times until it hits because air pressure at that altitude is thinner than here on planet Earth.
And it's ran through a series of static testing over on the computer net overseas.
And you follow up with me with email, and I'm glad to look at it, and there may be an aspect of it I don't understand, but it just seems to me that the barometric pressure difference for 1,500 feet, you know, unless there's some process that is ongoing from that, which you seem to be suggesting, that accounts for more than just the pressure difference, I don't see it's not exactly Niagara Falls, you know.
So I'd have to see it, and I'd have to know more.
Send me email.
My email address is Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at MindSpring.com.
That's artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com will work as well.
First of all, should our dear primal friends in Pakistan decide to do something incredibly stupid, there's a rather prophetic little song they should be serenaded with, and that is the Kingston Trio's Merry Minuet.
The first week of last month, somebody in a very organized manner broke into a bunker on the California-Oregon border and absconded with 700 pounds of dynamite.
When I was a child, I just, I guess, started speaking.
My mother has informed me about this, and I remember clearly what she told me when I finally started talking to her about this.
I was then about four years old, and my mother's friends were over at the house, and they were bouncing me on their knee, and I have a scar on my left wrist.
And one of my mother's friends asked me where I got the scar from.
And I said, oh, well, I was shot when I was in the Civil War.
And I commenced telling her all about the horse that I rode, the regiment that I was in, and described this cobblestone road where I fell off my horse when I was shot.
And one other thing that's really mind-boggling is where all their jaws hit the ground was I described my mother and the boat that she came over from Germany on, the gentleman that she was playing ping pong with on the deck of the boat.
I described how many balls went over the railing, what she was wearing, and the gentleman was wearing at the same time.
I thought it was really a good interview, and I thought that we got a lot of details that we never, ever got from Bob before.
unidentified
Well, the interesting thing about it was, is I had the great opportunity to live in Rachel, Nevada for a time next door to Area 51.
And, yeah, often went out to the line.
I'm an over-the-road truck driver, and I was in and out quite often.
But I had one interesting sighting, March 10th of 2000, that just really knocked my socks off.
I was out with a friend of mine, and we were sitting in Tickaboo Valley, oh, about 10 o'clock in the evening, and we were out looking towards the base, and I just happened to glance over my right shoulder overlooking Coyote Summit, and all of a sudden there was this massive object hovering over Coyote Summit from where our vantage point was.
And it just appeared and then disappeared, and about a minute later, it appeared closer towards the base.
And the amazing thing about it, it was completely silent.
And he's a private pilot, and we estimated the wingspan of this thing to be at least 750 feet in length and completely quiet, no noise.
And out in Chickaboo Valley, if there's a plane flying, you can hear it for miles.
A fellow who took a trip up there, I mean, like a couple of weeks ago, I think.
And, you know, he was met with a helicopter, and he got pictures, and he got out with the pictures, but this helicopter came right up in front of him like a mad dog.
He can't go up in there.
unidentified
Yeah, we used to play games with security from time to time.
And, you know, we recently had some little jerk who took a trip through the Midwest and put relatively low-level pipe bombs in mailboxes.
So you tell me, what do you think 700 Pounds of dynamite would do.
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
I just, I didn't know how, you know, like if they were if some if you're mining and you use dynamite, how much do you use, you know, in relation to anything else?
Oh, man, Las Vegas for a long time was really dormant.
It was weird.
unidentified
And we didn't have as much an effect because most people that come here don't go on a plane.
Well, this season started like a bloody sledgehammer.
And it's like everybody's here and they're here way early.
And we were trying to figure out why.
And one of my coworkers speculated that perhaps they're trying to get their summer vacation in before anybody starts lobbing nuked at anybody else.
And then I thought, wait a minute, you know, maybe these are people who might have gone to D.C. or Disney World or, you know, but now they don't want to get on a plane.
And then you give many more of the fuel air bomb-tipped missiles and spread them out all over the country so that they're more defensible and add in anti-missile defense systems with them and just trade them in.
Well, you could make the offer, sir, but somehow, you know, I picture, let's think, our ambassador walking into the capital of India or Pakistan and sitting down and making this proposal.
Perhaps you could tell me how you as a salesperson ambassador would sell that to the possible warring parties there.
unidentified
Well, I guess with some of these countries, you couldn't really appeal to their sense of sanity.
And what it was, was it was incredibly powerful pulses that were sent bouncing off the ionosphere, returning to Earth, going back to the ionosphere, back to Earth, and in this manner traversing the Earth itself.
Now, these were so powerful that the concept was, and we don't know how far the Russians got with it, but the concept was that just like a radar return, the signal would be so strong that if a missile was launched or an airliner was in the air, you would, in essence, have radar that went around the world.
You know, looking for, obviously, for strategic reasons.
Now, after the Cold War, the Russians discontinued the woodpecker.
Now we're into more interesting things like heating the ionosphere.
My God, that's dangerous, in my opinion.
We're trying to heat or even blow a hole right through the ionospheric layer.
That's one of the things they're going to do.
Maybe it'll be all right.
Maybe it won't.
And then, of course, there's a lot of other baggage that HAARP may, in fact, carry with it.
Yeah, we stood there looking at each other for about five more seconds, and then it made a move toward me.
And I'm trained in martial arts, and naturally I reacted.
I blocked its hand reaching out, punched it in the stomach, and it broke apart into this flickering energy field made up of these bands of greenish-yellow energy.
And these bands just kind of floated toward the floor and looked like feathers floating.
I watched this stuff settle into the carpet, and when it settled into the carpet, it kind of flickered around like flames.