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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Phillip H. Krapf - A Journalist's Encounter with Alien Beings. The Amazing Kreskin Banned

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a race on this planet, you know, if we go to war.
		By the way, while we're on that subject, this hour's news is kind of interesting.
		Pakistani jets shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane late today.
		And the tension is building again.
		Now, Pakistan wanted a decrease in tensions, they say, quoting, but if Indian aggression is launched, Pakistan will defend itself.
		So the tensions over there are obviously extremely high right now.
		And I thought it would be interesting to hear from Pilcraft himself on what the verdict said.
		And so that's going to be one thing we're going to do tonight.
		I want to note a couple of things here.
		One, I've had the link to the UFO, supposed UFO, during the President's speech removed from the website.
		And that's because I had a whole raft of people who figured it out, including late tonight Richard C. Hogwart, comment on it earlier.
		Then he figured it out too.
		And a whole bunch of people sent me an email.
		And the fact of the matter is, they used an unusual angle.
		And the president, the camera was actually right in line with Reagan International.
		Reagan International.
		So that was, in all likelihood, not a reflection.
		A lot of people say, oh, it's a reflection.
		No, it wasn't.
		It was probably a plane because they were right in the flight path of Reagan International.
		So that would seem to explain that.
		On the lighter side tonight, and I really mean the lighter side, I found something last night that just from Cornell University that just totally, totally, well, I don't want to give anything away.
		It's on my website right now.
		It is the first item under what's new.
		And I would like you to go and take the test and report to me tonight on how you do.
		It's simply called the insanity test.
		Now, be sure you have your speakers, your computer speakers on when you take the insanity test.
		That's an absolute, you have to have speakers on.
		Somebody at Cornell put this together.
		I have no idea how.
		Whoever did it was genius, really good.
		And if you can take that test and pass, maybe it should be called the sanity test, actually.
		You've got to do it.
		It probably will make your weekend.
		The insanity test.
		On my website at artbell.com right now.
		Look, we've got this weather forecast here in Peramp.
		Once again, the gods are going to blow hard out across our desert, and we are forecast to have wind gusts to 60 miles per hour tomorrow.
		It should certainly make it an interesting day, and no doubt, more viruses and dinosaur eggs are going to get picked up if this occurs, along with a lot of lawn furniture.
		We saw some pretty weird things after the last windstorm.
		Pools flying through the air.
		Those rubber pools.
		Well, the water goes whoosh, you know, and then the pool goes whoosh.
		And, of course, tree limbs and entire trees.
		And, you know, it was like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz last time out here.
		We had 84 mile-an-hour winds.
		Well, tomorrow, they're starting out now by saying 60-mile-per-hour gusts.
		We'll see where it goes from there.
		That's the same thing they said last time.
		So it's going to be another one of those days.
		In the meantime, if you will stay right there, I will be right back.
		And here is Creskin.
		Creskin, hello there.
		Arsh?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
		I'm fine.
		Last night, Kreskin, I took a night vision camera and pointed it toward the skies of Las Vegas early in the evening.
		I asked you about beginning about 830 in order to capture what you said was going to occur.
		And when you came on when you came on the program, you said that there would be three to four craft involved in the biggest in the way.
		Let me finish.
		A maximum of three to four craft.
		Fine.
		In the biggest sighting in a century, and that hundreds would witness it, and it would be the biggest event of their lives, that kind of thing.
		And that's what you said on this program.
		And then in an update, you essentially repeated the same thing.
		Right, Art.
		Right?
		Right.
		Okay, now, let's shift to what happened.
unidentified		How long did you have the camera out on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we had the camera until gee whiz past midnight.
		But anyway, let's continue.
		I monitored, you know, I did an hour talking to people phones.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that I could sort of get the flavor, you know, of what was going on.
		And let's see, at 10.20, approximately, I understand you dropped a couple of hankies, actually 10.15 about.
		I dropped a couple of hankies, and then you told everybody it was all over and left.
unidentified		My participation was over and I left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your participation was over and you left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, about 10.20, right?
unidentified		I don't, you know, I don't remember the exact time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was about 10.20.
unidentified		That's about 10.20.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because people on the phone told me.
		About 10.20.
		And actually, I was, in a way, thankful because I had a guest coming on, and I thought, oh, man, it's going to reach another guest somewhere.
		Anyway, so I had a lot of calls, and everybody said that nothing happened.
unidentified		They must be embarrassed today, huh, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		Because you said that there'd be hundreds.
		Well, you did say that, hundreds.
		I was wrong.
unidentified		It was thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you said it was all over at 10, 15, or 20, somewhere in there.
unidentified		I said I had to leave because the documentary people needed to interview me.
		So I said my participation here is all over.
		Not everybody left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sent me a press release today, Or your people did.
		You know, your people originally contacted me to get on there, and that's fine.
		And then today I got this press release, and what the press release says in part, quoting you: my original intention was to demonstrate a scenario how an enemy possessing the same skill and abilities as myself might create a mass happening on an even larger scale and over a much greater territorial area, said Christian.
		Now, so in other words, your original intention was deception.
unidentified		My original intention was using psychological persuasion to show how.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you came on my show, it was deception.
unidentified		Well, you could say deception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that was deception.
unidentified		For a reason that was deception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know, there's a difference.
		I have a lot of people on my show.
		I'm usually a Padong guy, Kristen.
		I have a lot of people on my program that are visionaries and psychics.
unidentified		Well, I'm not a psychic.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say you're a mentalist, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said you were a magician, then you said mentalist.
unidentified		I'm not a psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do say you're a mentalist, right?
unidentified		I'm a mentalist, but I'm not a psychic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, you corrected me.
		Anyway, so anyway, I have a lot up in the program, you must understand.
		They do claim to be psychic.
		Provision wear, and there are some people who are in the middle of the day.
		But they didn't plan from the beginning to deceive.
		And so what I think you did is really lame.
		I'm telling you, face-to-face, lame, lame, lame.
		Not only that, but I now understand that you've reneged on your deal to give $50,000.
		You are not giving $50,000 to charity, right?
unidentified		The reason is because of the success of the prediction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baloney.
unidentified		And may I finish?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finish.
unidentified		Well, thanks to NBC, and obviously people know about the traffic jams on Las Vegas Boulevard last night, as it turns out, at 10, at 11.03, Well, not somebody saw something.
		Some 60-some people saw something.
		Actually, again, I can't finish now.
		Yeah, you can finish.
		Well, I'd like to finish it.
		60 people saw something.
		No, no, it was thousands of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On TV, you mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean on TV?
unidentified		But I'd like to finish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		What happened was that the prediction also stated that the phenomena would take place between the quarter of 10 and midnight.
		That was the time by many times.
		And I told the audience in the theater.
		Now, you understand, when we went outside, there were about 1,000 other people there who were partying and drunk and so forth.
		I mean, they weren't even with it.
		The audience did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, there were thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were other locations where people gathered.
unidentified		But the people outside did not know what I had told the audience in the theater, and that was that this whole plan was, first of all, to show something that had worried me greatly since 9-11, how a ruthlessly an enemy could utilize and manipulate the imagination of people's minds and use it in a very serious manner.
		But I'd like to finish this.
		That's what you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you did.
		You did terrorism.
		You did terrorism.
unidentified		But I'd like to finish what happened.
		As I've said since Monday, from a quarter of 10 to midnight was the time spectrum of this whole phenomenon.
		At 11.03, as the crews were packing, now the suggestion I planted in the minds of the 41 people was basically something of a green light type effect, although some people were crying because they felt noise and vibrations and so forth, but that's a very subjective phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		41 people.
unidentified		41 because of the nine college students that ran into the distance and came back to the casino.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not hundreds.
unidentified		I'm talking about thousands.
unidentified		No, you're talking about, you're talking about I haven't finished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, okay.
		So that we might...
		There was an object scene and film.
unidentified		No, no, there wasn't an object scene.
		What happened at 11.03 as the crews were packing is that one of the people glanced up and saw what I had suggested as a green light form.
		But of course, I was inside being interviewed further, starting in the same pattern as the others had illustrated.
		At 11.04, a second one appeared, and by thank God, a gentleman from NBC here in Las Vegas, his camera was still on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		So he called, Steve Krupke called and interrupted the news broadcast, and literally thousands of people saw this phenomenon take place.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, there are two people who left letters here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what, Crescent?
		It doesn't matter because it does matter.
		You intended to deceive them.
unidentified		The truth of the matter is that there were thousands for the first, where have in history, we've all seen films that can be altered, but people saw this for real because some of the crew called home to tell their families and they were watching it.
		And if anyone saw the playbacks this morning on the news, and at noon, it was seen originally live, live by.
		Now, in the end, sure, who knows what it could be.
		It could be someone throwing plates at someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be anything.
		There were people firing flares.
		Well, there was crap going on last week.
		Look, my point is that in your own words, in your own press release today, it was intentional deception.
unidentified		No, it was not intentional deception.
		When you came onto my program and said what you said, how ruthlessly people conditioned conditional art condition.
		People are conditioned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was ruthless.
unidentified		Loyal art, and that hated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a lady from Channel 41 Television who was there grabbed a quick interview with you.
		And she asked you, because we played it on the air, she held the phone up to the recorder.
		And she said, you know, some poor lady came down here and from Seattle.
		Let me finish.
		And spent $600 coming Down here, and you said, Well, I didn't tell her to come down here.
unidentified		I did not tell her to come down.
unidentified		Furthermore, if she stayed, she would have seen the phenomena she was looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the deception.
unidentified		If she stayed, she would have seen the phenomena because it was within the framework of a quarter of 10 to midnight.
		And it did happen within a quarter of 10 to midnight.
		Had she stayed, as some of the other people did and who have sent letters to me and called me, she would have seen right there what some 16 newsmen and crew people saw in the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
unidentified		By your own words.
		So I did not tell her to fly in.
		I did not tell her to fly in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you didn't.
unidentified		And I would never have suggested anyone do something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you don't give the $50,000, you ought to give that lady her money back.
unidentified		Perhaps she flew first class, but the point of the matter is there was a sighting involving thousands of people, and it was live.
		And as MSNBC and Fox News, in long discussions with me, verified, it did take place in the hour of a quarter of 10 to 12 midnight.
		And consequently, I was successful in that that part of the prediction came about.
		You had planned.
		By the way, I happened to have been the night before performing 50.
		I don't even want to tell you how close to the Twin Towers.
		Five days later, I walked there.
		Auregius was coming back towards me, and it's a setting I can never forget.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what you did, the Twin Towers have no relationship whatsoever except they're both acts, in my opinion, of terrorism.
		Take care.
		Kresskin, I'll tell you something else.
		I'll tell you something else.
		I have, in all the years that I've done this, this kind of programming, I have never banned but, let's see, one, two, three, or four people from my show.
		So you can still count it on one hand, but I had one.
		Crescent, you're banned from my show.
		You hung up.
		He's banned forevermore from my show.
		While I do this program, he will never again appear.
		I know exactly how it came down.
		And I read his press release today, and in his own press release, he admits that he intended to deceive as compared to what he said twice on my program.
		To the entire listening audience, it was, I thought, very clear.
		Was it not very clear to you?
		He claims 41 people here saw it.
		This is, again, his own press release dated today, June 7th, from his office.
		And it has quotes around his words.
		Quote, my original intention was to demonstrate a scenario how an enemy possessing the same skill and abilities as myself might create a mass happening on an even larger scale and over a much larger territorial area, end quote.
		In other words, from the he knew damn well when he came on my program and said there would be as many as three or four craft.
		It would be the sighting of the century, and there would be hundreds of people involved in seeing it.
		And he went out there at about 10, 15, or 20 in that area and dropped two handkerchiefs.
		Now, he had done some work with an audience and maintained about 300 of that audience inside during a show.
		And he'd been doing a little mental work with them.
		And I guess the dropping of the handkerchief was some sort of key for them to see something.
		So his original intent was whatever in the hell happened later in the night after everybody left and was packing up is completely irrelevant.
		Totally, completely irrelevant.
		And I draw a line between those guests that I have on the program who claim to be visionaries or mentalists or psychics or whatever word they use and claim to have had a vision or information that's come to them that says something or another will happen.
		Well, if it doesn't happen, at least they came to me honestly.
		And I don't feel that was the case with the somewhat, in my opinion, very much less than amazing Prescott.
		And that was not the case.
		He did not come to me honestly.
		And yes, I'm pissed.
		You bet I'm pissed.
		And he is banned.
		Banned from this show forever.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast.
unidentified		Coast.
		No, you get mad Well, you're so different No, it's divine Come, you're so different See how I fly One, let you hurt me Do what you do Listen to
		me, girl Can't you see I love you Make a little effort Right if you do I don't mean happy I feel so Go!
		Go!
		Thank you.
		I remember skies reflected in your eyes.
		I wonder where you are.
		I wonder if you think about me once upon a time in your world's dreams.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it is.
		Phil Kraff, I said the other day, you know, I really have got Adam on.
		I read this item, which I'll reread here in a moment, and we'll have him on.
		This is remarkable stuff.
		Phil Kraft is a remarkable person who worked 25 years as an editor on the Metro Copy Desk at the Los Angeles Times.
		During that time, he shared in a Pulitzer Prize as a member of the Metro team that covered the L.A. riots of 92.
		Before his retirement in 93, Kraft had spent a total of 30 years in the newspaper business, starting out as a cub reporter and eventually becoming the managing editor of a suburban newspaper in the San Fernando Valley before moving on to the L.A. Times.
		Remained active in retirement as a freelance writer.
		On June 9th of 97, Philip found himself whisked aboard an alien spacecraft where he spent the next few days being peacefully indoctrinated into a fascinating new world.
		He wrote about his experiences in The Contact Has Begun, the true story of a journalist's encounter with alien beings.
		And we've interviewed him on that subject, and the alien beings that he talked to were the Verdants.
		And an alarming message last night about what the Verdants apparently had said.
		And so, in a moment, that ends right here.
unidentified		Sleep tight.
unidentified		Sleep tight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		As advertised, here is Philip Kraft.
		Welcome back to the show.
		First of all, Phil.
		Hi, Ernest.
		How are you doing?
		It's great to have you back.
		I read something which I understand sort of the way things do made it around the internet back to you, and you thought was perhaps exaggerated.
		What I actually read on the air is what you have sent on top, or below your bio here, word for word.
		Now, you know, the internet begins to, I guess, you know, blow things up, whisper in one ear and another.
		No, that's what the internet is.
		But this is serious enough as it is.
		As we all know, there's a threatened nuclear war between Pakistan and India.
		The news tonight on that front is not so good, incidentally.
		The tensions are increasing because Pakistan jets just shot down an unmanned Indian spy plane, and, you know, it's just not good.
		And so you have had alien contact, apparently, on this subject.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		I've had contact.
		There's kind of a tenuous link that's kind of opened up.
		It's not really, I'm not dealing directly with them, but I do have a I am receiving information from them, although it's a tenuous link, so I'm not actually in direct communication, but I have received some information, and I'm not pushing it because I don't know how quickly it'll close down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you regard this information as we have it here to be probably accurate?
unidentified		Oh, I think it's authorized, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Why don't I would rather have you read this than read it again myself.
		Why don't you just go ahead and read what the Verdons have said?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The headline is Verdant's bags are packed.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		That was on the book's website, the website that my publisher set up.
		And it says, and this was May 30th, I believe, or is there 30 days instead of May?
		31 days in May, I think there are.
		Yeah, I think it was dated at anyway, at the end of May.
		It says, several days ago I received word that the moment any faction on Earth, be it a government or other geopolitical, social, or special interest group, uses a nuclear device as a weapon against any perceived enemy, the verdants will be leaving the environs of Earth.
		There is great concern among the extraterrestrials that conflicts, most notably in the Middle East and on the Indian subcontinent, have escalated to the point in recent months where the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons by one or more of the combatants has become a very distinct and disastrous possibility.
		And this is in quotes here, if the nuclear virus is unleashed, it will be beyond the ability of anyone and likely will spread across the face of the earth like a pestilence of unimagined horror and proportions, the statement from the Virgin says.
		And then continuing, quoting, at that point, we will consider the human race a lost cause and not worth monitoring any longer in the hopes of one day nurturing it so that it could take its place among the intergalactic community of enlightened beings.
		It will be time for us to move on and leave the species to play out its destiny, which is not very bright at the moment, the statement continued.
		And that's the end of the quote there.
		And then the last paragraph says, the statement came to me directly from an official representative of the Virgins, not from a human intermediary.
		And has been sanctioned by the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets, and I was given authorization to release it immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly as I read it.
unidentified		Right, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's, you know, so apparently it got blown up to they've already left or something like that.
unidentified		Well, I got all kinds of emails, of course, and people are panicking.
		People think that the aliens have predicted, have prophesied, that the war is going to break out, and it's not anything like that.
		As a matter of fact, quite frankly, if anybody has really read the books closely, this is really a reaffirmation or an affirmation of what they've said before, if you can read between the lines.
		I mean, they haven't come out directly and said it, but I got that impression, so I really wasn't surprised by this statement.
		And the statement, I think, involves more than just nuclear war.
		By the way it's phrased, it says be it a government or other geopolitical, social, or special interest groups.
		So I think they're talking also about any kind of terrorist group that might plant a dirty bomb or whatever.
		So I think it includes any kind of hostile use rather than just routine testing of a nuclear device that they are going to be out of here.
		And as I say, I think it's simply a reaffirmation because it didn't surprise me, the statement.
		But I thought, well, I'll put it on the website anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		Now, when you listen to the tone of what was said here, it doesn't sound optimistic.
		I guess that'd be one way to put it.
		It doesn't sound optimistic.
		They refer to the current state of affairs as, what, very sad or bad or whatever.
unidentified		Yeah, pretty dangerous.
		Yeah, these are kind of perilous times, no doubt about that.
		I think they, you know, it's kind of hard to say what they're doing.
		It could be just a kind of a warning, a wake-up call, or trying to shake us up because it has shaken a lot of people up.
		People are writing to me and telling me they're crying, they're panicking, why have they deserted us?
		Why don't they come down and help us out of our mess?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a big one.
		A lot of Americans, a lot of people, in fact, around the world, think that if something catastrophic happens, like nuclear war, aliens will whoosh down and prevent it at the last second.
		And that's a poor item to be dependent on from my point of view.
unidentified		Well, you know, I can only speak for the one species that I've come in contact with.
		And of course, other people, thousands of people have come in contact with other species.
		I don't know anything about them.
		So I can only speak for this one species.
		But this one species, the Burdens, they have made it quite clear that they have not come here as our saviors.
		You know, people think that they, yeah, you're right.
		They're going to come down here, whoosh down here, and suddenly resolve all our problems for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Save our butts.
unidentified		And that's really not why they've come.
		If you really read the book carefully, I mean, yeah, they're compassionate and they're generous and they're mock, and they'd like to give us a hand up and welcome us into the Intergalactic Federation.
		They're trying to establish diplomatic relations.
		But when you come right down to it, what you get is a species that's looking out for number one.
		Well, that's a little harsh.
		It's self-interest.
		They don't want an aggressive, warlike species going into space that would threaten the peace or threaten their planetary neighbors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they're looking down on us generally, I mean, not just the immediate threat of the India-Pakistan war, but nuclear proliferation generally, what happened in New York, 911, and to the Pentagon and all the rest of the whole mess we've been through, they can't be in a real good mood.
unidentified		No.
		As a matter of fact, my last book that came out last year based on my contact with them in January of 2000 was based upon that's exactly what they were discussing at that time.
		In January of 2000, they were discussing some very serious issues.
		You see, they felt we were on a road to rehabilitation.
		They really felt that once the Cold War ended, that for the first time in world history, and I think a lot of people felt the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure did.
unidentified		For the first time in history, we really have a chance for world peace.
unidentified		These two great armed camps have decided, you know, they're not going to, you know, threaten each other and rattle their sabers every day against.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly a step for mankind, no question.
		The wall came down.
		The number of nuclear weapons is being reduced.
		It looked pretty good.
unidentified		Right, and they really felt that if we weren't going to be transformed, we weren't going to go through a transformation, but we certainly probably would be marching to the beat of a different drummer going into the new millennium.
		And then suddenly, you know, all of all these ethnic and religious heads started spilling up again, and they just became, I mean, wars all over and killings and all kinds of stuff.
		Peace was really very, very violent.
		You know, if anything, it looks like we were looking towards army rather than hedging towards peace, you know, a rehabilitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And so, yeah, they weren't happy.
		So they discussed that.
		But actually, I don't know if you're aware of it, but I don't know how much you read on the website.
		But last August, I got word that this is August of 2001.
		So they had been discussing these issues in January of 2000, and they were going to make a decision then.
		Well, in August of 2001, I finally got word that they had decided that the contact will go ahead.
		And I was elated because it was just, we came so close.
		They said, okay, it's going to go ahead.
		And it was supposed to start at the beginning of this year.
		And then 19 days later, September 11th happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So boom, yeah.
unidentified		And then they decided, okay, let's step back, keep it at arm's length for a little bit here, and see how things are going to shake out.
unidentified		Are we going to get through this thing or are we going to incinerate ourselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's so many different ways of looking at this.
		I mean, some people would obviously say even if they didn't step into the middle of the beginning of a nuclear war and blow up the missiles or whatever so there was no catastrophic event, even if they didn't intervene in that way, coming down now or coming down,
		say, since September 11th might have some sort of unifying effect on the entire world that actually might prevent something like this from occurring.
		I mean, a person could think that.
unidentified		I don't think there's any doubt about that.
		And actually, the people who write to me and make this argument, I can't help but agree with them.
		But then all I can do is repeat what I've been told.
		Mankind's destiny is in mankind's hands and that they are not here as our saviors.
		And I think this is not only a practical policy, but I think, quite frankly, there's some religious belief behind this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		And I don't remember, I was talking to my publisher the other day, we were discussing this, and I said, I don't remember if I put it in the book.
		I know I had it in my notes, but we had a discussion on this one time where they take a real, real long view of people's religions.
		They have great respect for people's religions.
		And they themselves are religious.
		And they do not get involved in, make any judgments whatsoever on how people worship.
		And I think, if I remember the discussion, that one of the reasons they don't interfere is that they feel that God has a plan for every species and that they don't know what that plan is.
		They don't know what God's plan is, let's say, for the humans, whether we're supposed to, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You cannot imagine how interesting that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're suggesting they believe in a creative force.
unidentified		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you discern that from them?
unidentified		We had discussions.
unidentified		And again, I don't remember if I put it in the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a big one to miss.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		And I'm trying to think.
		I'll have to go back.
		I remember the conversation, quite frankly.
		That was that time when I was in with these aliens when I was kind of frozen out of the dinner meeting with the humans who were up there who didn't want me to associate with them.
		And so we had these discussions where I discovered their sense of humor.
		We discussed invisibility and reincarnation.
		We discussed all kinds of stuff in this kind of informal.
		And we had a heck of a good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Gene, you don't get into much of a comes about reincarnation with souls and creators and the nature of the universe.
unidentified		Yes, that's true.
		And as I say, I think this is when that conversation in which they said that, or maybe it was, wait, I'll look for it.
		But if I remember the conversation, it was that maybe God's plan is for us to be tested and to see if we have wakes to survive in this very, very cold, harsh cosmos where life is, you know, life is tough.
		Life is tough all over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise known as free will, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, it's the laws of nature.
		You know, quite frankly, just watching the Discovery Channel stuff, I found out that if these figures are correct, 99.99% of all species that ever existed on Earth are extinct.
		Well, that's just the laws of nature.
		That's a fact of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		99.9%.
unidentified		99.99%.
		I heard it on the Discovery Channel on one of those, I don't know, one of those documentaries they have.
		Of all the species that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.
		So there's an awful lot of animals.
		Well, you're talking about microbes and sea urchins and animals like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still, it's a bunch.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then basically, their position would be, if we go to that kind of horrible war, if mankind does.
unidentified		It doesn't even have to be war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're simply not worthy of inclusion in a larger federation of intelligence that is out there.
unidentified		At this point, and I think at this point, they said that they're out of here.
		I think probably they would continue to monitor us, but I think the efforts to establish diplomatic relations would end until such time as we, if we survived, if we didn't.
		Yeah, if we didn't incinerate ourselves and we got through this thing and we evolved and we could start showing that we don't have to be hitting each other over the head all the time.
		We stop the killing and stop the fighting and start respecting others and show some tolerance for other religions and races and ethnic groups and other cultures.
		Because that's basically, people ask me, what can we do?
		I'm so sad.
		I've been crying and crying.
		I said, I know what the answer is, but unfortunately, I can't get anybody to, you know, we can't get anybody to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen?
unidentified		Well, not just listen, but to implement it, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on that thought, hold it for a moment.
		It is the top of the hour.
		We'll break and bring Folk Craft back for one more segment.
		I'm R. Bell from the High Desert.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. You showed me how to do exactly what you do.
		I fell in love with you.
		Oh, it's true.
		Oh, you're you.
		Exactly what you say in that very special way.
		I know that you have cause there's magic in my eyes.
		I can see four miles and Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		this is way too good to waste the first words.
unidentified		Well let's begin again, shall we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just says it.
		It says it so well.
		Do it again here.
unidentified		I know you can see me, now here's a surprise.
unidentified		I know that you have, cause there's magic in my eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Magic.
		Uh good morning, everybody.
		How are you?
		My guest right now is Philip Frank.
		And you know, when somebody with the phone five this man has comes with a story like this, wild as it may be, I think you all should listen, and I certainly am listening.
		I mean, this is a man who was right at the copy desk of the L.A. Times for 25 years.
		Nothing but straight-on journalism, folks.
		Part of a Pulitzer Prize team.
		A wild story.
		Yeah, pretty wild by, you know, straight news standards, but since when did we ever adhere to those here?
		Once again, here is Phil Craft.
		Phil, welcome back.
		Oh, thanks, Eric.
		So, you know, just so there are going to be some people out there that tonight, because of the new affiliates and whatever, are hearing you for the first time.
		Give us a real quick version of the original contact with Phil Craft, the retired L.A. Times newspaper guy, huh?
		What happened?
		Just the real quick one over here.
unidentified		Real short version.
		Sure.
		Real short version.
		Mainstream guy didn't believe in this stuff.
		Retired from the L.A. Times after 30 years in journalism in 93.
		In 97, I had my own experience that I had been reading about other people after this that I didn't believe.
		Now I was a believer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to you?
unidentified		I was taken aboard a ship, as many thousands of other people also have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Taken from your bed?
unidentified		Yeah, well, from my bedroom.
		Okay.
		Right.
		And I was actually thought I was there for an examination, but because that's what most people report that they were there for.
		By the way, the only difference between me, or one of the few differences between me and most other people, is that I simply happen to have written about my experiences.
		Most other people haven't written books about their experiences.
		So there are thousands of others also.
		But anyway, I was found out I was recruited to help do a supporting role in an effort to establish diplomatic relations between aliens, this species of aliens and us.
		And the reason that they are now choosing now to do that is that this is the way they work.
		When a species is on the verge of going into deep space, it's at that point that they make contact and they establish diplomatic relations if they can.
		If they can't, then the species doesn't go into space.
		They keep them isolated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's a very, very, very important piece of background and message that we just heard in the last half hour.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very important.
		Now, at the time they contacted you, they apparently had Mr. Sinatra's high hopes for us.
		And we were beginning to look pretty good.
		Yes.
		And now we've gone and blown it, or we're very close to blowing it.
		And it could certainly go that way easily, couldn't it?
unidentified		It could go that way.
		But you know what?
		I really do want to emphasize, because people are misreading it.
		They're getting it secondhand.
		And they're sending me emails.
		They think that the Verdents have made a prediction that there's going to be a nuclear war.
		Not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not true.
unidentified		Not prophecy.
unidentified		They simply said, basically reaffirmed what they implied before, that, look, if you people are going to get involved in this sort of thing, we're just going to pull away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that there is any chance that they would conclude that we are indeed not fit to be in space, deep space, and as we would begin to take steps to go to deep space, after they've made their decision, they would have to physically, in some manner, prevent us from leaving our little contaminated island here.
unidentified		Well, I think they made that pretty clear.
		That's exactly what they do.
		They say if the species is going to pose a threat, if it's going to take weapons into space, if it's going to pose a threat to its interplanetary neighbors, it could pose a threat, that they simply don't allow it.
		Now, they don't use weapons themselves, and they don't get involved in violence, and they don't hurt people, but they have ways of setting science back several hundred years if they have to.
		They can do it.
		They've demonstrated it to me.
		Well, at least told me how they did it, and it sounded reasonable.
		Yeah, quite frankly, I don't think we're going into deep space unless we pass muster and we do establish the diplomatic relations and we're accepted into the intergalactic community of enlightened beings.
		And even then, there's a propagationary thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they suggest to you at any point how common life is everywhere?
		In other words, is life all over the place?
		Is it a fairly rare thing?
unidentified		What?
		You know what?
		We really didn't remember discussing that with them at all.
		They did say that there are 27,000 member species in their organization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty big.
unidentified		That's actually not very many at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's still a lot more than the UN.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
		And that's from as many different planets.
		Now, also, you know, the cosmos is a very, very large place.
		And so they would not be able to explore anything but a very, very, very small portion of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they give you any indication at all of the species that they have studied?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		27,000 got in the club.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have to presume a large number did not.
		And that might tell something about our odds.
		I mean, is it one in five that gets in and four or five blowing themselves up?
unidentified		Well, they didn't give me any figures like that.
		But they did say, I think if I remember, and it's in the book, if I remember, there's about 200 species right now that are currently isolated who have the capability of going into space.
		If I recall, I'd have to go back and look at my notes here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe quarantined would be a good word.
unidentified		Yeah, quarantined, I guess, yeah.
		Right.
		Yeah, they use the word isolation.
		They isolate them.
		But I guess quarantine is a good word, too.
		About 200 species right now.
		And so, you know, I don't know what...
		and so they have been accepted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they might stop battle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See if anything crawled out of the ashes other than cockroaches.
unidentified		Well, even if we, yeah, even if we don't completely annihilate ourselves, incinerate ourselves, I think they're going to still be watching to see what goes on because in the future, I think as we evolve, if we continue to evolve and don't hurt ourselves, I think we're going to evolve to that point where we can.
		Basically, a lot of people writing to me, they say, what can we do?
		What is the answer?
		What is the problem?
		It's quite simple.
		I was mentioning it before the break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel very perilous.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
		But to verbalize it, it's quite simple.
		And most of the problems in the world today are a result of intolerance.
		One group being intolerant of another group's beliefs.
		An intolerance for diversity of beliefs.
		And so, you know, what's the answer?
		Hey, you know, stop fighting.
		Stop killing each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's a nice answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, Al-Qaeda and this group that blew up our buildings and so forth, they only seem to really want us dead.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		And, you know, when you get fanatics like that who believe that their group has, you know, God's blessing to rule the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, everybody goes to war with saying God's on my side.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
		Everybody goes to war.
		What are you going to do?
		So anyway, but yeah, as I say, it's very simple.
		Let's stop killing each other and start talking and have respect for other people and respect their opinions and their beliefs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you mentioned earlier that thousands of people have had the experience or one like you had.
		And that's absolutely true.
		Well, obviously, the reason you're heard is because here you come from the L.A. Times, right?
		I mean, that's going to get you in the door right there.
		And you're saying something, you know, to a lot of people, it's absolutely incredible, unbelievable what you're saying that you were up in an alien ship and had meetings and then imparted all this information.
		I mean, you are out there for most people.
unidentified		That's pretty wild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this gets you in the door and heard where perhaps others are not heard, except who might get through open lines on my show or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But otherwise, they're not heard on a national basis or international.
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		My credentials do help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Open Doors.
unidentified		They do help.
		Yeah, right.
		But it doesn't make me that much different from a lot of other people.
		They accept the fact that I wrote a couple of books and other people have not written them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although maybe that's what the Verdons thought.
		Maybe the Verdons thought that we've done this so much and we get so little from it.
		Why not pick somebody whose voice will be heard?
unidentified		Well, I think they probably figured it out.
		But before, they did take anonymous people before.
		Of course, I'm also anonymous.
		I'm not one of the ambassadors.
		I'm what they call our deputy envoy.
		The important people are the ambassadors, and they're recruiting them to help lay the groundwork.
		And, you know, it's really not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this message, Phil, a direct communique, do you think, to the ambassadors, in other words, giving them the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the ambassadors received specific instructions different from this?
unidentified		I just can't say.
		I do know that they probably are more in contact with the aliens than I am.
		I got that indication before that they have more.
		You see, I've had difficulty in I've tried to establish communications and have not been very successful.
		And when they want me to have information, somehow they seem to get it to me.
		And that's what has occurred in this situation here.
		Information has gotten to me.
		So there's, as I say, there's this tenuous conduit that has kind of opened.
		But I'm not actually exploiting it by saying, okay, I got the line open.
		Now quick get in a whole bunch of questions and start engaging them in conversation and everything else.
		I don't want to push it.
		So I just kind of wait because I know that the conduit is open right now.
		I don't expect it to last much longer.
		And this information came to me along that line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this would be a rather sad event for the human race, not only what would occur here on Earth, but the loss of the opportunity for contact now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows, in Their time, they might not come by for a few thousand or a million more years.
unidentified		I just don't know.
		I just don't know how long it would take for us to evolve.
		I still remain optimistic.
		I believe, I hope, that we're not going to have a nuclear exchange of any sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We all hope that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phil, do you think that if there is one, or if there is another major, say, a biological attack, all of this stuff they say is possible and warn us about now, that the Verdants would say goodbye, see you down the road a few thousand years, or some message like that, or they would just be gone?
unidentified		I think they've made it pretty clear that they would leave.
unidentified		No, I'm not sure they would actually leave because I think they have to keep an eye on us to make sure we don't go into space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, they'd make the executive.
unidentified		I would think they would stop any contact with us, and they would just give up on any effort to establish diplomatic relations because they wouldn't want them at this point.
		Just like India and Pakistan, I don't know, I don't presume they have diplomatic relations.
		I'm just guessing.
		I don't remember reading about it in the paper, but I would just guess at loggerheads, and they simply are not talking.
		And I think they would stop talking to us, but I think they would still be in the neighborhood and keep an eye on us because if they're going to isolate us, they're going to have to take down a few satellites, you know, scientific satellites that are important to the space program and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they would certainly be doing that much more if they wanted.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
unidentified		I don't think there's any diagnosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were there ever any, during your contact with them, were there dire warnings from them?
unidentified		Well, there are factions among them that became evident on my second visit.
		And I named a couple of the characters.
		And there are factions who do believe that we are not ready.
		But the decision came down to go ahead anyway in August of 2001.
		They overruled this faction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And by now, the factions are probably saying, we told you so.
unidentified		We told you so.
unidentified		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, I think there are even actually some ambassadors who believe that we just haven't measured up.
		It just hasn't worked out.
		And with that, we're not ready yet.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to write another book?
		Are you going to continue to give talks?
		What are you going to do?
unidentified		Well, I'm thinking of another book, but I have to have something to write about.
unidentified		If I had another experience, and I don't know that I ever will, I never know from one day to the next, you know, if I'm ever going to see them again, you know, because it was like the first time was in 97, and it was two and a half years went by before I even heard from them again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose if something awful does happen, you can write something that would be titled What Could Have Been or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah, if I'm still, you know, if I'm an Angelus, you know, if Los Angeles survives, you know, and my computer survives, you know, I suppose.
		But I do, I'm always thinking, you know, okay, what can I write about now?
		Because I do like to write.
		You know, what can I write?
		But I don't, at the moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even after you had contact, Phil, how long did you think about it before, I mean, somebody with your background writes a book like this?
		How much thinking about it did you have to do before you finally said to yourself, no, the hell with it, I'm retired.
		I'm going to just tell the truth.
unidentified		Well, I really didn't give it to...
		I said, no, I don't want to get involved in that.
		I've got too much to lose.
		Because people, there's still a stigma attached to this.
		There's 50% of the people or more in the country, I would guess.
		I mean, I'm just guessing.
		I don't know the exact figure.
		Who think you're loony talking about this sort of thing?
		I know.
		I just received some, I received letters from some very, very high-powered, important people.
		I mean, not world leaders or anything like that.
		I'm talking about people in the community.
		This medical doctor, and he is interested in this sort of thing.
		And he told me that his wife says, don't tell anybody you're interested in this or read any books about it.
		Don't let them know about it.
		I've heard from several physicians.
		I've heard from professors at major universities.
		So more and more, actually, more and more credible people are coming out these days that would have come out 10, 15, 20 years ago, in which they would have put you in a rubber room.
		You talk about this sort of thing.
		You're a certified wacko.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I think getting more and more acceptance.
		But it's slow.
		It's slow.
		And, oh, you asked me how long did I take to think about it?
		Well, once I got back, I already made up my mind and do it.
		I knew I was going to pay a price.
		There's no doubt about that.
		But I knew that I also was retired, so I didn't have to worry about the ridicule and the derision at work, and I'd not have to worry about getting knocked off my career track or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but there's still 25 years of colleagues there that are going to be looking at your work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Half of them, by your own estimate, there, probably going, poor fellow's cracked up on us.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		What's he smoking these days?
		Yeah, I know.
		Oh, more than half.
		More than half, because these are newspaper people.
		And newspaper people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hardcore.
unidentified		Yeah, very hardcore.
		I mean, I was one of them.
		I was one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		All right, look, the book is The Contact Has Begun, The True Story of a Journalist's Encounter with Alien Beings.
		I recommend it to you all.
		We have a link on our website to amazon.com when you can buy it.
		And Phil, we're going to have you on again.
		Okay, Art.
		But, you know, we said an hour, and we'll hold it to an hour.
unidentified		Gotcha.
unidentified		Talk to you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		Okay, bye.
		Good night.
		That's Phil Kraft, and there you have it from the man who wrote it.
		And essentially, it is the Verden's bags are packed.
		I mean, that's pretty serious news for the human race.
		So, thought you'd want to hear it from Phil.
unidentified		Phil.
		And the rain's like a bill in the night.
		And wouldn't you love to love her?
		Tacing the sky like a bird is light at the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be the lover For your life you've never seen One game but win One game but win Then it was not a very good, uh, not a very good job, I would say, because it wasn't hundreds, and hundreds were required, or he was going to give $50,000 to charity.
		Now he's decided he's not going to give $50,000 to charity.
		Well, so be it.
		To me, that's the end of that.
		It's the end of that, and I don't want to talk about that.
		The El Niño in our Pacific is building.
		Now, temperatures are increasing right now in a large portion of the Pacific, including along the coast of Ecuador, Peru, temperatures up 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit, which is actually a lot.
		It represents a, quote, significant transition, end quote, from local warm areas earlier in the year toward a more extensive basinwide warming type typical of El Niño.
		So we've got one going.
		We'll see what happens.
		There is now drought across much of the U.S. Very, very serious drought across a whole lot of the U.S. As a matter of fact, drought emergencies have been declared in many parts of the country.
		So in a moment, we'll come back and we'll jump into open lines.
		And anything other than this Kreskin thing is open for comment.
		All right.
		Here we go into the unknown.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
unidentified		My question is, over all the years that I've been listening to your program and listening to others, I've always wondered whether there was really aliens that come from another place or not to get here.
unidentified		And I've been recently thinking that if there is, and I'm sure somewhere out there something exists besides us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems like a good bet, doesn't it?
unidentified		It sure does.
		The one question that I would have, though, is, how are they here?
		In other words, I'll give you an example.
		If I was an alien, which I'm not, and I had a spacecraft and I was going to do space travel, and I looked up into the sky through whatever means I had, and there was millions and millions and millions of stars surrounding me in one direction or another,
		how would I know which one to go to when I had no means of communication to get there if I had the means to travel fast enough to get there because of the distances?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me try and answer that part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would look for suns, you know, stars.
unidentified		That had a solar system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That had planets that would likely harbor life.
		Even our astronomers are beginning to be capable of doing that.
		So you wouldn't have to be too much more advanced with spacelight that would get you here to be able to make that determination.
		So you'd look for planets like ours, I guess.
unidentified		Now, the next question would be the distance.
		There isn't anything that's really any closer than about four light years from where we're at.
		Say, I think it's about 4.5.
		Right.
		So, and we don't know if there's a solar system there or not, or do we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know, for example, there would be some things that could be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you could get up near the speed of light, you could travel to some adjacent systems that hold some promise, Zeta Reticuli, for example.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		How far away is that about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember.
		It might be 30, 40, 50 light years.
		I don't know.
		I don't remember it, but, you know, something that...
unidentified		Yeah, but how could people...
unidentified		How could they travel in space 30 years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only, obviously, I mean, in those cramped quarters, give me a break.
		Maybe those craft were brought by other craft, larger craft.
		We have no way of knowing.
		And or maybe they exceed the speed of light with the kind of drive systems that he was describing, in which case they'd get here pretty quick.
unidentified		Well, yeah, if they can go faster than the speed of light, like say maybe 10 times faster, I don't see how anybody could be in space traveling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The other thing is, I don't know if you're a Star Trek devotee or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever watch Star Trek?
unidentified		Oh, I've watched it since its first come on, since 1966.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are many who believe that space can, in effect, be folded.
		You know, like, just imagine you take a sheet of paper.
		A lot of modern physicists believe this.
		Take a sheet of paper, and if an ant gets on one side of the paper and you just hold the paper out straight, and the ant has to crawl all the way along across the paper to get one side to the other, it takes them a long time.
		But if you fold that paper together, then all he does is jump from one side to the next.
		Yeah, and you've really gone essentially.
unidentified		Well, that can be done.
		Well, that's that would be.
		Oh, can I make one other comment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've listened to a couple of guests that I believe your side partner, George Norrie, who I think is very good hat on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
unidentified		He's very good.
		And they were talking about the pyramids, some of them being built, and the Sphinx being built 20,000, 30,000.
		My question is this.
		If Adam was the first person on earth and he existed approximately 6,000 years ago, then that would mean that nothing could have been done before that.
		Am I making sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Because it would have been a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if Adam and Eve did their thing 6,000 years ago.
		Right.
		Yeah.
unidentified		And they were, according to the scriptures, I believe, and some of the preachers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of fundamentalists believe that, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, they existed about 6,000 years ago.
unidentified		Is that fair or not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's...
unidentified		We don't really know for sure, but...
		Yeah.
		So if that were true, then there couldn't have been much that occurred on this planet other than prehistoric type.
		There wouldn't have been any cave men.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		And so, you know, I have a very, very difficult time getting next to that concept that it all began 6,000 years ago.
		And I know there are many very articulate people who make arguments and pretty good arguments that it did all begin 6,000 years ago.
		It's just that there is so much real hard science that tears that to bits.
		In fact, actually now the pendulum is swinging virtually, totally in the other direction, and we're beginning to find signs of prior civilizations.
		And we're beginning to dip back into first tens of thousands of years, and then hundreds of thousands of years.
		And by golly, if something's down 2,200 feet off the coast of Cuba, millions of years, perhaps.
		Now, I'm glad you said what you did about George Norrie.
		I think he also is a very, very, very capable fill-in.
		And so I would like to announce something that I'm going to do that might strike some of you as strange, but it kind of isn't.
		As you know, I've had a very, very difficult year.
		And it's like God's had his foot down on me.
		I've been waiting for him to lift it so I could crawl out.
		You know, we had a lot of back trouble.
		I had a lot of back trouble.
		And that kept me out for a while.
		And then I had some mysterious, God-forsaken disease, no doubt blown in by the same stinking ill wind that's going to blow later tomorrow, my time zone.
		And then my wife had it and an asthma attack and all the rest of it.
		So, you know, I missed some time.
		But coming up, June 20th, which is, I think, three days after my birthday, June 20th, I am going to take a vacation.
		A real vacation.
		Not one where you're screaming because you're back and not one where you have a fever of 103 or four.
		But a real vacation.
		Despite the time that I took off, I'm going to take an actual vacation and I am not going to fly anywhere.
		Ramona and myself are going to take maybe a day or two away at a time and go to some close locations and try and enjoy ourselves and just have some real, honest-to-God, healthy R ⁇ R. And during that time, the exceptionally capable George Norrie is going to take over.
		So that'll be from about June 20th through the 1st of July.
		Now, let me add something here.
		In the broadcast business, a survey goes on literally all the time, the entire year.
		There are spring, summer, fall, and winter books, so-called, by Arbitron, and they measure audience, you know.
		So it's very important that you be here.
		There is one and only one time of the entire year that there's not an Arbitron underway.
		Or in TV, they'd call them the sweeps.
		Only once in the whole year that it's not underway, and that time is roughly between June 20th and July 1st.
		So in that time period, you get the opportunity to enjoy George Norain.
		George gets it.
		George really gets it.
		George is a pretty cool guy.
		Of all the people, and we've had some very capable hosts in here over the years, I would say, perhaps better than any of them, George gets it.
		And that's the only way I know to put it.
		He gets it.
		He's new at it, but he gets it.
		And that's really important.
		So George Norrie will be here from June 20th through July 1st.
		Just thought I'd let you know.
		Wild Card line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		I said I called to say how much I enjoyed hearing Ramona on the radio last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, I try.
		I try and get her on.
		When she gets really excited and there's really something where, you know, you kind of need her voice because she's a witness of something, then she's, if I push her a little, she's willing to come on.
		And I always have to push a little, but she has a great radio voice.
unidentified		Yes, she does.
unidentified		She really does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what I'll do.
		She has a very good friend named Evelyn Paglini, who is a witch, a witch.
		And we'll have them do another program together one of these days.
		How's that?
		Yeah, how are all your cats?
		All four of them are just spiffy.
		Just spiffy.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, that's why I just call that a bat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		They're fine.
		Our newest cat, Yeti, he's an amazing cat.
		His entire life is devoted to play, and he plays hard.
		I mean, you can get into a pitched battle with Yeti, and it makes his day.
		And he will come for you as hard as you come for him, if not actually harder at times.
		He is an amazing cat.
		Now, all of our cats are well.
		Abby, who very nearly died, Abby had used up one of his cat lives, is particularly healthy.
		Since he had his near-death experience, he actually did stop breathing.
		It's a whole different story.
		He's come back.
		He's trimmed down.
		His gray hair has gone away.
		His shiny black hair.
		It's absolutely amazing.
		I mean, it's just amazing.
		So he is once again among the healthy and wealthy in cat food and cat toys and that sort of thing.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		How are you?
		I'm fine.
		Basically, the reason I called is to vent your good show to do that on to a local teenager who needs a double lung and liver transplant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, slow up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A local teenager who needs what kind of transplant?
unidentified		A double lung and a liver transplant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A double lung and liver?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		He has cystic fibrosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so sorry.
unidentified		And anyways, an insurance company will only cover $250,000 of it, and it's going to cost like $500,000.
		We're like, hell low, you care more about money than a human life?
		I mean, I could save it with one transplant, yes, but there's three transplants, which would be three times as much money.
		Anyway, so we're trying to raise the money.
		Would it be all right if I gave the website out of the airplane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't do that.
		What you can do, though, is email me the website, and I'll review it.
		And if everything is legit, I'll put it up.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have to understand that just because we've been fooled a few times.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Especially last night.
		All right, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're very welcome.
		You just go ahead and email the website to me, and I'd be glad to review it.
		But on occasion, as innocent as one URL may sound on the air, when it's actually engaged by the people who just heard about it, they find something awful or pornographic or something.
		And I'm sure that's not the case.
		But when that happened, we made that rule immediately that we don't just allow random URLs to be given out on the air for that exact reason.
		On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
unidentified		This is Jason in Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jason in Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's number one.
unidentified		Oh, I was just calling just to say, because of your announcement you just made about George Norrie.
		Yes.
		How is this?
		I love you, Art Man, but I don't know about George Nori.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give the guy a break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
unidentified		I just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I have listened to many hosts fill in on this program, and we've had some good ones and some not-so-good ones and some mediocre ones and the whole range.
		I just think that George basically gets it.
		And, you know, so to me, that's really important because, frankly, I haven't said that of too many of the rest of them.
		Their approach has been one way or another, but they don't quite get what the program is all about.
		George gets it.
		So cut him some slack, and I think you'll find out.
unidentified		I just enjoy hearing you because you're knowledgeable about all kinds of things, and I just enjoy your kind of interviews.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know why that is?
unidentified		Why that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm old.
unidentified		Exactly.
		You're wise.
		Old and wise.
		Great.
		I'd love to hear you, man.
		You have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Take care.
		Yeah, I mean, that is what it boils down to.
		I have been doing this so long now.
		I've been actually doing talk radio.
		I've been trying to think.
		25.
		25 or 30 years straight on now.
		That's a long time to be doing talk radio.
		And I don't necessarily have a great deal of knowledge, but I have a great deal of experience.
		And that is seen by some to be wisdom.
		I'm not even sure it's wisdom.
		It's just a hell of a long time doing this kind of program.
		But I tell you, and George Norrie, I hear the seeds of me about 20 years ago.
		Now, that's my point.
		I'm Art Bell, and from the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM, raging through the nighttime.
unidentified		Coast AM, raging through the nighttime.
		I'm a freedom storm into a man.
		Imagine me back.
		Everything's a sweet back.
		Thank you.
		Nothing but the day, the night I can ride to town.
		Oh, my God.
		To reach Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		Or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		To reach out on the toll-free international line, call your AT&T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		To reach out on the toll-free international line, Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a Friday night, Saturday morning.
		It is actually my favorite night of the week in a lot of ways.
		We do a lot of very, very serious interview work during the rest of the week, and then come Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Usually, we just open up the lines and see what's out there.
		Anybody with anything really unusual for us?
		An unusual story is always welcome here.
		He's welcome to pick up the phone and begin dialing.
		More of whatever is out there in a moment.
		All right, let's rock back into the night, shall we?
		Where to begin?
		Let's start here.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Top of the morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
		Hi.
		How are you this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Great.
unidentified		Perhaps, sir, at the beginning of your show, you were talking about the Verdeans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Verdens, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I was sitting here, and it sort of hit me, I thought, geez, maybe that's us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean maybe we're the Verdens?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's something you can't rule out.
		I mean, there is this consciousness thing and non-locality that everybody's now, scientists are all talking about.
		And, yeah, maybe the whole experience that Phil Kraft had and others have had actually comes from us, the monster of the id.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		If you look at it, like since 9-11 and that, there's been an awakening in people and the consciousness.
		And it's sort of, it's scary almost.
		People are starting to realize what's important to them, you know?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I quite agree with that.
unidentified		I think people are really looking back and saying, wow, you know, maybe this is our chance to maybe stop things from like the genies out of the bottle, but maybe we can stop these things from happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure off on the side of praying that we do.
unidentified		Well, so do I, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there's another side of me, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's a pretty primal side, and I don't deny it.
unidentified		And it's coming out in everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if we could catch these people in one general place, these people who killed our people, I say drop, attack New Gonham and turn them into total ash.
		I mean, that's the primal side of me, and I'm not going to hide it.
		That's how I feel.
unidentified		And a lot of people feel that way, sir.
unidentified		There's many people feel that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get a lot of flack over that.
unidentified		Yeah, and I'm sure you do.
		I went around and you talked to a lot of people, sir.
		There you go.
		And it's happening everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know how we're going to come out of this.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I was born in 62, so when I was born, there was something sort of like happening like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's wild.
		There sure was.
		It is wild.
		Thank you very much.
		Yeah.
		I agree.
		I know.
		It seems complicit probably isn't the right word.
		Just not really workable.
		I mean, on the one side, nobody wants war.
		Nobody with any sanity wants war.
		Oh, by the way, don't forget the insanity test on my website.
		I'd love to get some comments on that, either in Past Blast or here on the phone lines.
		It's really fun.
		You'll really enjoy this.
		It'll take you about one minute.
		It's under What's New, and it reads the insanity test.
		Be sure you have your computer speakers on.
		Take the insanity test.
		It comes from apparently Cornell University.
		If you look at the URL, it's a Cornell URL, and it's really worth the look-see and listen.
		The insanity test on my website now.
		Want to know how you make out.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Love the show on Gabriel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Gabriel, yes.
unidentified		I hope he calls back.
unidentified		I hope he's able to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, Gabriel, yes.
unidentified		And your show last night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With Bob Lazar.
unidentified		Yes.
		The truth is out there.
		I get the truth off of your shows.
		And I call the television news Inquirer News.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes, not always on my program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let's face it, I have a wide array of guests.
unidentified		And that's Stephen Quayle, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		With a wide amount of believability.
		Some of them not, some of them are, some exceptionally believable people.
		Bob Lazar is into the exceptionally believable category for me.
		I mean, the man, I've known him for years.
		His story has never been embellished.
		It's never changed.
		Last night we got some new details, but, you know, the guy is rock solid.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you say?
unidentified		It comes across, and, you know, whether some of the things are true or not, there's a variety.
		I have a lot to choose from.
		There's always something I like about it.
		And I love George Norrie, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		So you have a good vacation when he's on and enjoy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Yeah, we're looking forward to that.
		an actual vacation where we're not incapacitated in some manner or another, real vacation.
		And this time, it's not going to be a, you know, maybe we can prevent, and Well, you see, I've always flown.
		You know, my wife and I love Paris, France, and it's very romantic, and so I'd fly her to Paris when I get the chance.
		And under ordinary circumstances, by God, I'd fly her to Paris, and we'd sit on the Seine and eat bread and drink wine and catch up on each other because we lived very busy lives.
		Not this time.
		You know, something's changed since 9-11.
		And I don't know.
		It feels better staying domestic.
		We're going to stay pretty close to home.
		I mean, we're going to take a few trips in the giant mobile out there.
		But we're going to stay close to home.
		And it's just a feeling I have, and I think it's shared by a lot of Americans right now.
		You know, people are Flying, I note, for business reasons.
		Certainly, they're still flying for business reasons, and they're flying when they have to for family reasons, you know, important reasons.
		I understand that.
		When you go coast to coast, you've got to fly.
		Take five, six days to drive it, and you'll be tired when you get there otherwise.
		So, you've got to fly.
		But what people are not doing is a whole lot of optional flying, you know, enjoyment flying.
		You know, let's just take off and go down to Mexico for the weekend or something like that.
		That sort of thing isn't happening as much since 9-11.
		And I feel it too.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howdy.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		This is John from North Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And listen, John A.M. 640.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, FI, the monster of the West.
unidentified		Yeah, they sure are, except when you get out in canyon country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, I'm telling you, though, that 640 signal, that clear signal, is the damnedest thing.
		They are stronger here, where I am, than any other station on the dial, on the AM dial.
		They are the strongest station on the AM dial, and I'm out here not far from Death Valley.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big signal.
unidentified		Yeah, it sure is.
unidentified		And another thing I'd just like to say to you, too, I work out here in Hollywood, and you've certainly kept me company on a lot of all-nighters I've been on, so I just want to say thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do in Hollywood?
unidentified		I work on, I'm basically work on a lighting cruise out here.
		And, you know, sometimes when we do all-nighters, it's, you know, I have Jan in the truck or have Jan doing other things.
		And I know a lot of guys listen to you out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		Movies, and I've been on a bunch of sets.
		There's always a whole lot of trucks.
		Boy, makeup trucks and sound trucks and lighting trucks.
		Oh, my God, where do they get all those trucks?
unidentified		There's a lot of places to get them out here, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be.
unidentified		So anyway, the thing I wanted to discuss with you is, you know, I was obviously horrified by the events of 9-11 like everybody else.
		Funny enough, I was actually going to Paramount that morning when that whole thing went down.
		It was a horrible time.
		But, you know, I've listened to you probably going on for about five or six years now.
		And I've heard every guest that you've had from every category from Major Red Dames to Whitley Streeber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you know they go across the whole spectrum.
unidentified		Yeah, I've listened to the whole cross-section.
unidentified		And I have to say that one thing, and I don't know whether it's a self-comforting theory, but I've really come to at least one conclusion after listening to you after all these years, and that is that there is definitely powers out there that, you know, obviously we can't explain, but I believe that there's albeit creatures or another race or something along those lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or as the one caller a little while ago said, even if it's us collectively.
unidentified		Somebody that has a technology or a power that definitely exceeds ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
unidentified		I definitely have come to that conclusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So have I. But the one thing?
unidentified		The one thing, though, that I've been rolling around in my brain for a long time, and I don't know whether it's a comfort to the families or whether it's a comfort to myself or what have you.
		And when I say this, I'm not talking about the FBI or the CIA.
		I've always, almost the days after it happened, I sat there and I said, this is like an event like the Titanic.
		This is an event like Pearl Harbor.
		Oh, Pearl Harbor.
		It's just another Pearl Harbor like Gettysburg.
		It's an event, it's a turning point in humanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I sat there and I said, you know, somebody knew.
		And I'm not talking about the FBI or CIA or any domestic or any kind of, in my opinion, earthly agency.
		Some race knew, some power knew that this was going to happen.
		Somebody knew that this was going to happen and they knew it.
		I mean, it's just too big for the trade centers and the Pentagon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a fair assumption.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody knew.
unidentified		Somebody knew and somebody did nothing.
unidentified		And my feeling is that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody knew, if some greater power than us knew and did nothing, then the people who think we'll be rescued from a nuclear war by some little green guys who are going to come swooping down and scarf up the nukes better think again.
unidentified		I agree with that.
		But I'll tell you this.
		And the reason I, you know, this has been going around in my head, excuse me, my feeling is that had somebody known and somebody done something, because it couldn't have, it would have been somebody that would have known that would have had a power to do it, you know, based on everything I've heard over the years, any number of ways could have been, you know, without even making it look like it was some kind of divine power to come in long before it even happened.
		You know, some these hijackers could have disappeared or somebody could have, the memo could have gotten to the right person at the right time, you know, just a little nudge in that direction.
		A lot of things had to come together for that to happen.
		To me, somebody didn't do it because I feel that had somebody interfered, it might have, in other words, that timeline where no one interferes, who knows?
		By that point, you know, Israel might have nuked somebody by now.
		So yeah, something, you know, it brought the world together at a time that maybe something worse might happen down the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might have happened if that hadn't.
		Yeah, it depends.
		Thank you.
		It depends on how you think about time.
		I understand exactly what you're saying.
		If something had interfered, then something perhaps more dire would have occurred.
		A nuclear exchange, a Middle East war with nukes, or Indian Pakistan, which we face anyway.
		Yeah, I'm tracking with you there.
		But you know, one thing did happen that didn't happen.
		Flight 93.
		The heroes of Flight 93.
		Now that airplane, I think even Washington now admits, was in all likelihood headed to White House.
		And imagine the additional shock and horror to the American psyche if a plane of that size had crashed into the White House, virtually destroying it, burning it, burning it up, destroying the White House.
		Imagine the additional shock to the American psyche, even though the President, as we know, was in Florida, not there at the time.
		There would have been many killed at the White House, but instead, people on that airplane intervened and they took it down, knowing they were taking it down to their own deaths.
		So there was something that didn't happen.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Steve from Alaska, Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Steve.
unidentified		This art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm the only one here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the only possibility of me.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I was just listening to you talking about the White House that didn't get hit by Flight 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		93, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		93, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Well, that $20 bill that shows the Twin Towers burning when you fold it right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		If you turn it around, it shows the White House burning.
unidentified		So they missed one of their targets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, people are claiming it shows a Pentagon, sir.
unidentified		I kind of looked at it, and to me, it looks more like the White House.
unidentified		I thought I'd just call and tell you about that because I never heard you talk about that side of the bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
		Because I appreciate it.
		Thank you.
		It's less distinctive.
		You see, you just point it out yourself in a way by saying that, in fact, if you look on my website, again, under What's New, you'll have to go down a ways and you'll see Arts Folded $20 bill.
		Well, that's not Arts Folded $20 bill.
		Ramona folded that.
		I'm lousy at that kind of stuff.
		This thing circulated around the Internet like crazy.
		I mean, it went around the Internet like wildfire.
		So if you've got email, you've got a version of it.
		And Ramona read the instructions and folded the $20 bill, and I scanned it.
		I did a high-resolution scan.
		So many of them I've seen are very low-resolution.
		She did a wonderful job of folding it, and then I did a high-res scan.
		And I'll be damned if that is not what it looks like.
		It looks like the Twin Towers, which have been hit and are burning.
		And it looks exactly like that.
		So make of that what you will.
		It could be a coincidence.
		But that's a pretty big coincidence.
		We've got that on the website.
		Ramona's folded version of the $20 bill.
		Go take a look if you haven't seen it yet.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Art?
		Yes.
		Hi, I'm Spencer from Houston, Texas.
		Yes, sir.
		Hi.
		I was just wondering what could have possibly happened with Crescent's service.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not discussing that any further on the air.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, but I said all I had to say about that.
		I'm sure you heard it.
		Didn't you?
unidentified		No, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, all right.
		Well, that hour will replay, and you'll get a second opportunity to hear it.
		I appreciate the call, but I am not discussing that any further.
		I've said all I'm going to say about it.
		West of the Rockies are on the air.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
unidentified		This is Bill in Laguna Hills, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Art, I've heard about your back problems.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And for a number of years, I had chronic back pain.
		And maybe I have an answer for you.
		What's your answer?
		Have you ever heard of Dr. John Sarno?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Dr. Sarno is based in New York.
		He's a physician, not some kind of a weirdo.
		And, oh, ten years or so ago, I heard about the doctor on Howard Stern's show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howard, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know Howard has back troubles.
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Howard has back troubles.
unidentified		Yes, he had back troubles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He probably spent too much time on his back, actually.
unidentified		Yeah, until he consulted with Dr. Sarno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that, yeah, that this doctor did help Howard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that.
unidentified		Well, I wasn't able to get to New York, but I got his book, Healing Back Pain.
unidentified		I read about half of it, and I swear to God, in three days, my back pain was a thing of the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give it a try.
		I have a copy of that book, sir, now that you mention it.
		I have a copy.
		Thank you very much.
		Someone sent it to me.
		I haven't gotten to it yet.
		But I've been to some of the best sports doctors in Los Angeles in the world, you know, take care of the NFL players and that sort of thing.
		So I kind of know what the story is with my back.
		But I'll read anyway.
unidentified		Midnight moon was slipping through the lazy sway of the tree.
		I saw the look in your eyes looking into mine, seeing what you wanted to see.
		Darling, don't say a word.
		I've already heard.
		But your body's changing now.
		I've got a fast move.
		I've got a slow is alive.
		so it begins Our love is a lame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's two tonight that I think I ought to just take instruction.
unidentified		just love the way it begins.
		Our love is a flame Money's in it Now and then Wildlife will catch you Stumbling in Thank you.
		Wherever you go, whatever you do, you know me so you're falling for you Whatever you do Baby,
		you need some things that I never knew Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033 First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222 And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295 to rechart on the toll-free international line,
		call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our love is alive.
		And so it begins.
		And, you know, I think I like this because I think basically I feel that love is probably, truthfully, the most important, powerful human emotion that exists.
		And there's a lot more to it than we understand right now.
		We'll be right back if you'll be so kind as to stay planted.
		Let us step back into the night.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm Sandy in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sandy.
unidentified		I've been trying to put together some things.
		A long time before, you had Sean Morton on talking about sun flares.
		And he said that the stock market goes down when the sun flares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said.
unidentified		Only in cycles.
unidentified		It's supposed to be 11-year cycles and 22-year cycles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this particular cycle, you know, the one we're in right now?
		Cycle 23, is a little bit unusual.
		We've had a double peak in this cycle.
		Normally, a cycle will peak, and then there'll be a slow decline over several years.
		And that's the way it works.
		It's kind of like climbing a mountain, going down the other side.
		This time, though, it looks like there have been two mountains there, and we've had an unusual number of we went through a storm of flares.
		That would be a good way to put it.
unidentified		And then you had the lady on that talked about the invisibility phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And she stated that the sun was changing from a hydrogen sun to a helium sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've also had about 10 million emails saying people feel the sun is hotter, that the rays of the sun burn their skin or affect their skin more quickly, that when they do look at the sun, which nobody should do, it appears now white more than it does the old yellowish sun that we sort of remember with more yellow color than not.
unidentified		So is helium hotter than hydrogen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I guess I really don't know.
		That would be a question for a physicist.
unidentified		Okay, so Sean mentioned that when the sun flares, it produces an effect on our limbic systems that causes fear.
unidentified		So I'm trying to understand if there is fear being brought out in the war, Pakistan, India, Israel and Palestine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enough fear to go around now, isn't there?
unidentified		Well, your statement on love was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
unidentified		If we could overcome the fears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I agree with you.
		Thank you.
		But it's the other, you see, it's the 180.
		I feel that love is probably ultimately the most potent force in the universe.
		I really believe that.
		But there's also...
		It was an act of war.
		Clear, clear, clear act of war.
		As clear as you can get, in my opinion.
		And I think they should be dead.
		And if they think of reincarnation, then it's time for them to reincarnate or whatever.
		But they should be dead.
		So the primal part of me fights with the knowing part of me about love.
		And I do not have that resolved, which may mean that I am not as evolved as some would hope that I would be.
		But you see, I think that's true of very many of us.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning.
		I was wondering about what your opinion is on reincarnation as opposed to you die once and go off to heaven or you die and you go nowhere.
		And I was wondering, I read your book, The Art of Talk, and that was an excellent book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I really enjoyed how you and Ramona got together and so forth.
		And you talk about being soulmates.
		And I was curious as to what is the tone of that experience of being soulmates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Does it connect in with the reincarnational aspect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you really want to know?
unidentified		I really want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here it comes.
		some people will never know this and so i'll see if i can describe it the uh...
		The second I saw Ramona all those, you know, a decade ago better than the very second I knew and she knew, I mean, it didn't need words.
		It was just an absolute instant, without question, knowing.
		There you are.
		My God, there you are.
		Where have you been?
		You know what you say to yourself, I suppose.
		But it's that powerful, and it has never changed.
		Now, I'm not sure how it relates to reincarnation, and I'm not even certain that I believe in reincarnation.
		I think I lean toward reincarnation as an answer, as an answer to what may occur to us.
		I don't buy into the we never graduate, I'm not in that class, you know, that we just reincarnate endlessly forever.
		That seems without reason to me, not that I am to understand everything, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me.
		If incarnations are to mean something, then there must be progress, not just endless karma and endless incarnation.
		So I don't think I believe that.
		But I do tend toward believing in reincarnation.
		And maybe sometimes you find your soulmate, and sometimes you don't find your soulmate.
		All I can tell you is this.
		When you do find your soulmate, you'll have no questions about it.
		You won't have to ask.
		You won't have to wonder.
		It will hit you like a ton of bricks, and it will never leave.
		So it's that kind of knowing, and that's the only way I can think to explain it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
unidentified		Tim in St. Louis on KTRS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had a few things.
unidentified		Could you imagine, like, I think the White House probably would have been history if it wasn't for people on board having cell phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a pretty good estimation, sir.
unidentified		I certainly think the other people will like a chance to be heroes and know what their fate was going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
unidentified		If I like the hijackers, I think I'd lock them in a dark box with 10,000 fleas while I drink their blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		It's a primal side of us, you know.
		And it's not wrong.
		I mean, we're entitled to self-defense, and that's all there is to it.
unidentified		We got time for a ghost story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A real ghost story?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		This friend of mine got home at night, and his bedroom was out in the garage.
		So he's laying in his bed, which is against the wall.
		And all of a sudden, he starts feeling this tapping on his shoulder.
		And nothing could be behind him, so he kind of ignored it and kept feeling his tapping and turned around and saw the ghost of his next-door neighbor, his wife.
		And it was the next morning he woke up and his mother told him that this woman had died that morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder why she was tapping on his shoulder.
unidentified		Well, he was kind of wasted, so it's possible that he was tuned into that kind of thing, possibly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you think she'd go for the hubby instead of the guy next door, but, well.
unidentified		Yeah, it was kind of hard to figure out.
		Maybe he beat her or something.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, how are we to know?
		Right.
		Very interesting.
		Thank you.
		Well, tapping on the shoulder is a strong hint.
		Oh.
		Hey.
		Yo.
		I'm here.
		But the next door neighbor is wife, huh?
		And he was wasted his word at the time.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		This is Matt calling from Upland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Matt.
unidentified		On KFI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The wild thing at 775-727-1295.
		I'm going to eliminate that.
		I don't want to talk about that, sir.
unidentified		Oh, okay, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's move on to something else.
unidentified		Sorry.
		Love is a powerful thing.
		I just want to tell you a quick story before I ask you a question.
		I had my loss of my grandpa a couple weeks ago, and I was so sad because I never got to see him before he had passed, and I just kept writhing.
		Finally, I had a dream that seemed so real as if he came to me in my dream and forgave me for it.
		And we embraced in the dream, and I cried and stuff, and it seemed so real.
		It was just amazing, you know?
		That was like just backing up the love to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can figure two possibilities, right?
		One possibility is that your brain wanting this settled caused you to have that dream.
		True.
		Or it really happened.
		And science now is finally to the point where they're beginning to investigate whether the latter is one possibility, and I think it is.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
unidentified		And the question I just wanted to ask you was if you could give me a breakdown of the concept of the non-locality thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, non-locality.
		It says that everything is connected to everything else.
		Everything, literally, every thought, every consciousness, the desk in front of you, the house around you, the earth beneath your feet, all of it is in some way connected.
		And that's a real loose sort of description of non-locality, but everything is connected.
unidentified		Sounds almost like how they describe the matrix and the movie.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, kind of, well, even deeper and bigger than the matrix.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's actually real.
		It's not a thing implanted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's actually real.
unidentified		Nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And therefore, people who do remote viewing and some psychics may be tapping into this great non-locality, and maybe that's where they're getting some of their information.
unidentified		Okay.
		I see what you're saying.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		On the first time caller line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Cameron calling from Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Cameron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio off, right?
unidentified		Just turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		Sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		I had actually heard earlier something about Flight 93, I believe it is, in Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I guess my comment is that during that point, just shortly after 9-11, I remember hearing something about wreckage that had supposedly blown away from the site of the crash itself.
		No, something like 10 miles or something outrageous like that.
		And it just makes me kind of wonder If possibly they weren't shot down.
		And I know that's not a new thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		There are a number of people who actually there had been an order given, it's my understanding.
		There had been presidential authority and an order given that would have perhaps shot down Flight 93, or they were going to try, but they wouldn't have made it.
		And, of course, they didn't make it to the other ones, and they probably would not have made it to shoot down Flight 93.
		But there are some people who believe they did, in fact, shoot it down.
		I'm not one of them.
		The record is pretty damn clear in terms of the cell phone conversations between the passengers and their family.
		And, you know, the cell phone conversations indicating that the passengers were going to try and overwhelm the hijackers and stop it and crash it if they had to.
		That's pretty clear.
unidentified		I'm just, I kind of think that maybe folks may get tied up too much into the patriotic side of what's going on and looking to these folks as heroes when maybe...
		Well, just to be safe.
		Maybe so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, maybe he's right, but I don't think so.
		I think the most obvious explanation is the one that's probably true.
		And, you know, I've seen the families.
		I've heard recounts of the cell phone conversations and all the rest of it.
		And those passengers obviously intended on taking that plane down as a last resort.
		They knew damn well where they were headed and what their fate was going to be.
		And they made a group decision on that airplane.
		I mean, we all know that from the conversations that occurred.
		So to me, the most obvious is probably the truth.
		And I will consider those people to be heroes until I would learn otherwise.
		And I don't think I will.
		Wow, Cardline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm in Honolulu listening on KHPH.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Back on the good old masked mind experiments.
unidentified		You were voicing your concern about the problem of unintended consequences possibly getting spun off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And, you know, I hear your concern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even the people who are doing the research in this area, sir, the deep research, agreed with me that we don't know enough yet.
unidentified		What if with the India-Pakistan thing, that mess, if we did a thing where we were collectively pouring unconditional love into Kashmir, because that's kind of the flashpoint there.
		I was just thinking, I wonder if this is the way to...
		Yeah.
		I wonder if that's a way to get around that problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know about...
		And it would be hard enough for me to imagine unconditional love their direction, although I could imagine that.
		But at Kashmir right now, I more or less have unconditional hate and hope that the prison occupants that perpetrated this awful thing on the U.S. die.
unidentified		Check this out.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're right, by the way.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		No, and I really like the way your honesty about wanting that feeling of righteous revenge or whatever.
		I mean, I think we all feel it to some degree.
		And sort of wrestling with the other side of it and stuff.
		But I'm just thinking that those guys, don't you think those folks over there could be characterized as sort of extremely hateful people?
		All right.
		So someone like that is really addicted to hate.
		They feed on it.
		And if you shoot violence at them, in a sense, you're feeding them what they want.
		Whereas if you give them love, it's revolutionary.
		It's the total opposite.
		So you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir?
		I wouldn't stop you for one second from pouring all the unconditional love you want that way.
		But I'm sorry.
		I can't get on that horse.
		You're probably right.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		You know, love is powerful, and he may be exactly right.
		And I'm just not evolved enough to participate in such an event.
		Nor am I inclined to experiment in that area.
		Now, I will say this.
		If something began, if, oh, I don't know, if a conventional war began that was obviously about to become nuclear, would I consider doing something?
		Yes, I would, but I would think, boy, I would come at it so hesitantly.
		But just prior to an event, if I had warning, if a conventional war had begun, I would be pushed to consider it.
		But I'm frankly afraid of it.
		I'm afraid of unintended consequences.
		And I think any reasonable person who really understands this power, and this is not something to fool around with, would have, or should have, the same kind of cautions.
		We don't have a lot of time here, but East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		I just had a question.
		When you have other guest hosts on, they always mention their crew at the end of the show.
		I know it's just you and your home, but I was wondering who else is involved with broadcasting your show every night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a crew up in Medford, Oregon, in New Jersey, in California.
		There are many, many people involved in getting this broadcast from point A to point B. It always just kind of seems like you and your back room having fun.
		Well, you know, actually, it kind of is.
		I'll tell you what, if you it's our nickel, if you can afford to hang on through the news, I'll hold on to you, all right?
unidentified		All right, cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it is actually me in the back room.
		You know, you got that one right on the money.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast.
unidentified		She's got someone on my soul.
		And she knows I love you, love.
		But she lets me know every time.
		And make her mind.
		She's no one with me.
		You feel me.
		I want to love for myself.
		I want to love for myself.
		There's something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch or the scent of the sand.
		Or the strength of an oak when you steep in the ground.
		To wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up to tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
		To lie in the meadow and feel the grass sing.
		All these things in our memories are all from the use of the colors.
		I, I let you go, take this place.
		All these things in our memories are all from the use of the colors.
		Thank you.
		You want to take a ride?
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nigh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is where the evil winds are forecast to blow later in the Kingdom of Nigh.
		They're telling us we're going to have 60-mile-an-hour gusts.
		Should be an interesting Saturday.
		We'll get back to our caller in a moment.
		All right, it was a long wait, but you're back on the air again, sir.
		And I think you left off by saying I sound like one guy in one back room having fun, right?
unidentified		Yeah, that's right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's exactly what it is.
		I have taken, years ago, I took a bedroom in my house and I converted it to a full studio.
		Now, when you hear other hosts, you know, ones who fill in for me, and in fact, most all talk show hosts across America, they're sitting there at a desk with a microphone and a headphone on, and they're receiving orders and break cues and listening to someone else run their bumper music and play their commercials, and they just sit there in front of that mic and talk when it comes time for them to talk.
		That's even the case with, you know, like George Norrie, for example, or any of the other people who fill in here.
		And it's the modern way of doing things.
		Now, I'm not real modern.
		And so I have everything here in this room you talked about.
		I've got the control board.
		I answer all the telephones myself.
		I don't let anybody else do that.
		I have cart machines, so I do all my own commercials right from here.
		They're not done from somewhere else.
		They're done here.
		I pick and play all of my own bumper music.
		So in other words, I'm doing it all right here.
		And so the job that they have in Medford, for the person who is there, is reduced to watching levels and perhaps adding a sub-audible tone or something like that for affiliate stations.
		And so that's what I do.
		Now, there was a day when I didn't let anybody else do anything.
		For example, I pre-interviewed all of my own guests.
		So when I would wake up in the morning, I would begin interviewing guests all day long until it was time to go to sleep and wake up and do the program.
unidentified		You didn't sleep much, did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I didn't.
		And so now I've turned some of that pre-interview of guests over to my staff.
		I do have a staff in Medford, Oregon, wonderful people.
		Alan Corbeth runs it.
		And I've turned some of those pre-interview duties over to them.
		And then, of course, I still have final approval.
		Yes, no, I want that guest or I don't want that guest.
		But they're doing some of the hard trench work now during the day.
		I still do all of this weird stuff myself.
unidentified		You do the fun stuff yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, does that answer your question?
unidentified		It sure does.
		I have one more question.
		All right.
		It's about dreams.
		People have been saying, you know, all this chaos that we're going through, I know, that people are dreaming more.
		I found that I'm actually dreaming a lot less.
		I used to have dreams that would come true, mainly just about events, you know, going out to eat with friends or whatnot.
		I've noticed lately that I just don't dream at all.
		I was wondering if...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One, you say you used to dream dreams that come true, right?
		All the time, yeah.
		Yeah, cool.
		I don't want to sound on the negative side of things here, but I too dream of things that many times come true, and a lot of people do.
		I think it's pretty common.
		Yeah.
		And if you're not dreaming about the future anymore, it kind of makes me think they may not be that good, but or even there at all.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the half-empty glass of water.
		The half-full glass of water is you're not burdened with dreams, and so you can just live your life.
		I hope that's true.
		Yeah, me too.
		Take care.
unidentified		You have a good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Greetings.
		This is Gary from Marino Valley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey there.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight, Derek?
		Just fine.
		There's been a lot of concern out there about global warming, and certainly with this Enron situation that occurred and rock the country, and all of our great pension IRAs are suffering because of it.
		Now Americans are going to suffer because there's just far too much fossil fuel out there being burned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I lost thousands of dollars on Enron.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a really sore subject with me, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I can understand that.
		Anyway, I was approached by a European consortium group, and I sent you, I took the liberty of sending you an email here earlier tonight.
		You'll notice it where it says global warming solution.
		Okay.
		What these guys have proposed and dropped on my lap is something that's, I think it's going to be very historic once it's completed.
		It's a, for lack of a better word, a vacuum vortex which will create electricity.
		And the way they're going to build this, and by the way, it's a 650 megawatt facility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand it well enough to explain it better than that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A vacuum vortex?
unidentified		The way this is going to work, it's going to first off be 150 stories tall, 1,500 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I think roughly 90 feet at the base and about 60 feet at the top.
unidentified		And they're going to stack 51 vertical turbines inside this cylinder shaft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and.
unidentified		And what they're going to do is take out all the ambient air in the top layer of the machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Create a vacuum power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Create a vacuum.
unidentified		Create a vacuum vortex that one air chamber releases into the next air chamber 51 times until it hits because air pressure at that altitude is thinner than here on planet Earth.
unidentified		And it's ran through a series of static testing over on the computer net overseas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're claiming the energy is the pressure difference?
unidentified		A pressure differential.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		Well, we've created a four-foot scale model by accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how, just before you get going too much, even in 1,500 feet, there can't be enough pressure, can there, really, to account for that much energy?
unidentified		Well, at 1,500 feet, the barometric pressure is different than here on planet Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
		Oh, you mean at 1,500 feet, sir?
		I live in the high desert.
		We're at 2,600 plus here.
		But the altitude differential makes a little barometric pressure difference.
		I agree with you, but it's pretty small.
unidentified		It's just the ambient that they need.
unidentified		Well, when they take out all the air pressure on the top, it will then, so to speak, open up the hatch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		The air pressure will then suck in.
		It doesn't matter if it's raining, snowing, blowing or what.
		The air pressure then will be sucked into the shaft on the top and turned into the fan blades, which is then released to the second chamber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		Because of that gap, there's going to be a constant pull.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
		Sure, there is.
		But I appreciate your call.
		And you follow up with me with email, and I'm glad to look at it, and there may be an aspect of it I don't understand, but it just seems to me that the barometric pressure difference for 1,500 feet, you know, unless there's some process that is ongoing from that, which you seem to be suggesting, that accounts for more than just the pressure difference, I don't see it's not exactly Niagara Falls, you know.
		So I'd have to see it, and I'd have to know more.
		Send me email.
		My email address is Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at MindSpring.com.
		That's artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com will work as well.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		Hi.
		Yeah, Mark here.
		I'm a motor truck trailer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're on a cell phone, aren't you?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A cell phone that has taken a step backwards for humanity.
unidentified		I got a constant problem trying to get you in all the time.
unidentified		And one night I was in the middle of May here, I was searching a few channels, and I thought I found you, and I found another station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were talking about Planet X. Planet X, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, it was Newswatch Magazine, I recall.
unidentified		And I just wondered if you ever heard about it or read it or...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So listen, next week.
		Next week, I've got Nancy Leader from Zeta Talk on the subject of Planet X. This is a subject that will not go away.
		And perhaps it should not go away.
		Maybe there's really something to it.
		I don't know yet.
		I know she is another impassioned spokesperson on the subject of Planet X. So look for that to happen next week.
		And let me tell you what is going to happen next week while I'm at it, huh?
		Some pretty interesting stuff.
		Monday is going to be Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Now, he was rescheduled from an earlier time.
		Gordon is an incredibly interesting, intuitive who has had very, very specific visions.
		His story is riveting.
		His predictions are riveting.
		And you don't hear him on the air very frequently.
		Gordon Michael Scallion's coming up.
		And then the next day is Nancy on Planet X, and so that would be the show for that last caller.
		And then Carl Edward Ball is going to be on the program, and this is going to be extremely interesting.
		He's created a barrack biosphere.
		And so we're going to talk about the creation of life.
		What he's found with an attempt to, in effect, create creation.
		So it's going to be kind of an interesting week next week and one you're not going to want to miss.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Cat from near San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Two things.
unidentified		First of all, should our dear primal friends in Pakistan decide to do something incredibly stupid, there's a rather prophetic little song they should be serenaded with, and that is the Kingston Trio's Merry Minuet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you're familiar with it.
		I am.
		Oh, okay.
unidentified		You know what I'm talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, you know, but it's hard to decide.
		You know, I've thought about who the aggressor is going to be maybe in this thing, and I'm more likely to put my money on India.
		And let me tell you why.
		India continues to accuse that Pakistan is allowing all of these militant, radical, bad guy people like al-Qaeda to infiltrate into Kashmir.
		Which is probably true.
		Which is perhaps true, yes.
		Now, right now, our government, which probably winks and nods and does a lot of things to let things happen, right?
unidentified		Oh, true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our government probably has some interest in seeing these miserable bastards killed.
		Well, not only that.
		And then there's more alignments.
unidentified		Well, open above the alignments, then there's also the problem of the thousand years that that particular belief has been trying to destroy India.
		So maybe they've got justification.
		But the second point...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I'm saying is maybe they're getting a wink and a nod.
		You know, they could be.
		I don't know.
		We say we're trying to prevent it, but our interests are with India, and Israel's interests are with India.
		Israel's support is of India, and for the same exact reasons.
		And so, well, there's a lot of dynamics at work here.
		Chinese support, Pakistan, and, you know, I mean, it doesn't take a lot of deep thought here to see what could happen.
		Oh, that's true.
unidentified		That's true.
		Now for our second point.
		Mr. Dames mentioned an al-Qaeda group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed Dames, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cell.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		The first week of last month, somebody in a very organized manner broke into a bunker on the California-Oregon border and absconded with 700 pounds of dynamite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
unidentified		The pieces fit together too well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been sitting on that story, sir.
		I'm aware of it.
		Somebody did steal 700 pounds of dynamite.
unidentified		That's a concern considering all the other possible involvements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this gentleman is exactly right.
		That, and there have been chemicals stolen and trucks, you know, that kind of thing.
		And maybe, you know, that kind of thing probably also goes on all the time, but we're sort of hypersensitive to it all now.
		Any sort of anything in that area gets a lot of attention since 9-11, as I guess it should.
		You know, we're in a different world right now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies call toll-free, 1-800-618-8255.
		No, no.
		No.
		Andre, Andre, I had to just bleep that out.
		We've not allowed your last name on the air.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite all right.
		We'll just call you, Andre.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm on 95 in Florida.
unidentified		I'm a truck driver, and I've been trying and trying and trying to get a touch of you, and I finally have, and it's such an honor to speak with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		Well, I want to speak about reincarnation.
		Okay.
		When I was a child, I just, I guess, started speaking.
		My mother has informed me about this, and I remember clearly what she told me when I finally started talking to her about this.
		I was then about four years old, and my mother's friends were over at the house, and they were bouncing me on their knee, and I have a scar on my left wrist.
		And one of my mother's friends asked me where I got the scar from.
		And I said, oh, well, I was shot when I was in the Civil War.
		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you again?
unidentified		Four years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four years old.
unidentified		And I commenced telling her all about the horse that I rode, the regiment that I was in, and described this cobblestone road where I fell off my horse when I was shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you actually remember telling all of this yourself first person, or are you relaying now to me what they told you you said?
unidentified		I remember it clearly even today.
		And even so, even more so, I remember before that my love for the ocean.
		I remember it vaguely, but as of today, I am a big nautical buff and I know how to sail without even having to have a sailing lesson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
unidentified		And one other thing that's really mind-boggling is where all their jaws hit the ground was I described my mother and the boat that she came over from Germany on, the gentleman that she was playing ping pong with on the deck of the boat.
unidentified		I described how many balls went over the railing, what she was wearing, and the gentleman was wearing at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
unidentified		And I don't know how to explain it.
unidentified		I mean, it gives me cold chills Because I can see it vividly today the name of the boat and everything before she was even my mother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And of course, all of this, I'm sure they just sat there, they knew all this, so they just sat there and they're just said, Well, how did you know?
unidentified		How did you know this, Dr. Well, I was there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you react to all this stuff.
unidentified		Well, my two of my mother's friends never came around again.
unidentified		And my mother, she just, I mean, it's my body because she has pictures of the boat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your moms have to let you stay, so it's good for you, I guess.
unidentified		But I don't know if it's something I'd like to find out if any other people had seen their mother before they were even conceived.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
		All of that is part of what's said about reincarnation.
		It's absolutely fascinating, and that's a fascinating story, isn't it?
		What would you do as a parent if you heard all that?
		What would you do?
unidentified		All of times I've come seasons don't feel the reaper.
		Not do the wind nor sun or rain.
		Come on, baby, baby.
		Take my hand.
		You'll be able to fly.
		He came from somewhere back in her long ago.
		Seven men before she tried it hard to recreate, but yet yet to be created.
		Once in her life, she must use a smile for his nostalgic death.
		Never coming near what he wanted to say, or need to realize it never really was.
		She had a thing in his life.
		He never made her think as she rises to her politics.
		Everybody else would surely know He's watching her grow But who believes Do you see The wise man has the power Wanna take a ride?
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		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, Sam.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Friday night, Saturday morning.
		We're getting ready for the big winds to blow around here.
		Kind of hoping they don't, but it could be an eventful day.
		In a moment, we'll be back and continue pushing into the night with who knows what.
		As promised, now back into the darkness.
		First time caller line, your turn.
		I think you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, good morning, Art.
		How are you doing this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to call and comment about the interview you had with Robert Lazar last night.
unidentified		It was an excellent interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was really a good interview, and I thought that we got a lot of details that we never, ever got from Bob before.
unidentified		Well, the interesting thing about it was, is I had the great opportunity to live in Rachel, Nevada for a time next door to Area 51.
		And, yeah, often went out to the line.
		I'm an over-the-road truck driver, and I was in and out quite often.
		But I had one interesting sighting, March 10th of 2000, that just really knocked my socks off.
		I was out with a friend of mine, and we were sitting in Tickaboo Valley, oh, about 10 o'clock in the evening, and we were out looking towards the base, and I just happened to glance over my right shoulder overlooking Coyote Summit, and all of a sudden there was this massive object hovering over Coyote Summit from where our vantage point was.
		And it just appeared and then disappeared, and about a minute later, it appeared closer towards the base.
		And the amazing thing about it, it was completely silent.
		And he's a private pilot, and we estimated the wingspan of this thing to be at least 750 feet in length and completely quiet, no noise.
		And out in Chickaboo Valley, if there's a plane flying, you can hear it for miles.
		I know.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're one of thousands, sir.
		There's no question about the fact that kind of stuff has been flying up there.
		Period.
		It's the truth.
		It is flying up there.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		I've gotten to see several things flying around up there that I have no explanation for.
		And living up there was absolutely terrific because you got to go out there at night, and it was kind of like fishing.
		Just wait to see what pops up.
		I often came in contact with the security personnel out there from time to time.
		But it's no longer Wagenhut who has the contract.
		I'm not sure who has it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think it was during the Lazar encounter.
unidentified		Yeah, Wagenhut did have it, but I believe now, if my information is correct, it might be San Dia Security that has it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, whoever it is, someone went to Area 51.
		That, too, is on my website.
		A fellow who took a trip up there, I mean, like a couple of weeks ago, I think.
		And, you know, he was met with a helicopter, and he got pictures, and he got out with the pictures, but this helicopter came right up in front of him like a mad dog.
		He can't go up in there.
unidentified		Yeah, we used to play games with security from time to time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not a good idea.
unidentified		Well, we always stayed on our side of the line, but a friend of mine who does run a website on Area 51 has excellent pictures of the Blackhawks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure, yeah.
		I'm sure.
		Look, listen, everybody.
		I do not...
		Look, if you go...
		I mean, what the hell?
		We have the extraterrestrial highway, right?
		So you're going to go up near that area.
		But really, honest to God, folks, I'm serious about this.
		Do not try and penetrate Area 51.
		Number one, you're not going to make it.
		You're flat not going to make it.
		They have security there.
		They have ground sensors.
		They've got helicopters.
		They've got really upsetting guys in vehicles that will chase you.
		The sheriff will get you.
		You will spend time in jail.
		Many things are possible.
		But do not try to go into Area 51.
		Respect where you have to stop.
		You still may well see something because it is going on up there.
		It is going on.
		Was going on.
		There's no question about it.
		What they are, there's lots of questions.
		But that it is occurring, no question whatsoever.
		So if you're going to head up there, listen to what I say.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Brandy in East Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Brandy.
unidentified		That insanity test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Who was it you had to go?
unidentified		60 seconds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it was 60 seconds called for, yes?
unidentified		I got about six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six seconds?
		Yeah.
		You got to wonder where whoever it is that did this in Cornell ever found that kid.
		But that kid, I've never heard anything like that in my entire life.
		Have you ever?
unidentified		That was hilarious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, that was funny.
		There's no way, there is no way.
		It should be called the sanity test, actually.
		Laugh.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		If you don't laugh, you are insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe that's part of what you're supposed to conclude.
unidentified		I think to bookmark it.
unidentified		That way, you know, whenever you're having a stressful day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Exactly right.
		I think it will stay there.
unidentified		I have a question.
		Sure.
		Something that the caller brought up earlier, and then I had something I wanted to talk to you about that you mentioned.
		Real quick, what would 700 pounds this dynamite do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of damage.
		I mean, a lot of damage.
		And, you know, we recently had some little jerk who took a trip through the Midwest and put relatively low-level pipe bombs in mailboxes.
		So you tell me, what do you think 700 Pounds of dynamite would do.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I just, I didn't know how, you know, like if they were if some if you're mining and you use dynamite, how much do you use, you know, in relation to anything else?
		I have no clue about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a big, big stock of mining dynamite.
unidentified		But that thing that you were talking about people not flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, not doing a lot of electric flying, you know, for fun kind of flying.
unidentified		And then it dawned on me because I work at a hotel in the Smoky Mountain area.
		It's a big tourist area.
		And most of our business is people who drive.
		So we didn't get hurt as much as other areas like your area did after shortly after September 11th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, Las Vegas for a long time was really dormant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was weird.
unidentified		And we didn't have as much an effect because most people that come here don't go on a plane.
		Well, this season started like a bloody sledgehammer.
		And it's like everybody's here and they're here way early.
		And we were trying to figure out why.
		And one of my coworkers speculated that perhaps they're trying to get their summer vacation in before anybody starts lobbing nuked at anybody else.
		And then I thought, wait a minute, you know, maybe these are people who might have gone to D.C. or Disney World or, you know, but now they don't want to get on a plane.
		So they get in the car and they come here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in a way, it's a good thing.
		People will see more of America.
		People will patronize places like yours.
		It's a good thing.
unidentified		Yeah, that just dawned on me.
		I was like, hey, I bet that's it.
		But just that occurred to me.
		Have a good vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much.
		That'll be not until the 20th of June, so it's a while yet.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, gone.
		Lost your chance.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's you.
unidentified		Well, I listened with great interest to the gentleman you had on from Greenpeace the other night talking about nuclear war and fallout and whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harvey Wasserman, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think it's pretty horrible, too.
		I wouldn't want any fallout falling on me.
		So I was thinking of an idea of how to reduce nuclear weapons and possibly their usage.
		What do you say?
		Maybe we have a trade-in program for equal megatonnage of fuel air bombs for nuclear weapons to anybody who wants it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what is the equivalent nuclear megatonnage of the biggest fuel air bomb we have.
unidentified		Do you?
		No, I don't.
		They're pretty impressive when you watch them on video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're very impressive, but I don't think there's much of a megatonnage comparison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really don't think there is.
unidentified		Well, how's about we add in some of the things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the parties wouldn't think it would be a fair trade.
unidentified		Well, how about you add in some anti-missile systems along with those?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean to defend against missiles?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And then you give many more of the fuel air bomb-tipped missiles and spread them out all over the country so that they're more defensible and add in anti-missile defense systems with them and just trade them in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, give the participants new toys.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could make the offer, sir, but somehow, you know, I picture, let's think, our ambassador walking into the capital of India or Pakistan and sitting down and making this proposal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps you could tell me how you as a salesperson ambassador would sell that to the possible warring parties there.
unidentified		Well, I guess with some of these countries, you couldn't really appeal to their sense of sanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you would walk in and you would say, look, what do you say about a trade?
		And we all know it's much lower destructive power.
		So they're going to figure they're going to trade off their stuff if we're just about to have a war and the other side has nukes.
unidentified		Well, maybe you're right.
		I don't know.
		But I think they might listen to me, though.
		I called in on your out-of-the-box night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was last caller in, and I was talking about using fuel air bombs to shorten the war.
unidentified		And lo and behold, three days later, they were using them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were using them.
		Yeah, they sure did.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call very much, but when you figure out how an ambassador would sell that, you be sure and let me know.
		We could have a...
		You know, they go to these in the cities, right?
		They have gun buyback pens.
		So why don't we have a gigantic nuclear bomb buyback plan?
		You couldn't give 50 bucks.
		You know, but what do you figure a good one-kiloton weapon is worth?
		And that's kind of the range they've got over there.
		We could do it in raw money, right?
		We could buy their bombs.
		For starters, they know how to make more, don't they?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going, going, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is J.K. in Portland, Oregon.
		Yes.
		And I have something I heard on your show, I think, about three months ago.
		Yes.
		It was called HARP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		H-A-A-R-P.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And on PAX TV last week, they were talking about it on a show.
		It's Incredible Happenings or something.
		Anyway, they were talking about a, I guess the Russians have a similar thing that they've had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Russians have one.
		There's some in Scandinavia.
		And of course, there's the big harp in Alaska, yes.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		So anyway, I went on the internet and looked up woodpecker slash Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Woodpecker is no longer used.
		The woodpecker was used by the Soviet Union, ma'am.
		It was, so that you know, it was an attempt at over-the-horizon radar.
		The woodpecker was an annoying, we called it the woodpecker because on short wave, that's exactly what it sounded like.
		It sounded like woodpecker, like maybe this fast.
unidentified		Listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just what it sounded like on shortwave.
		And what it was, was it was incredibly powerful pulses that were sent bouncing off the ionosphere, returning to Earth, going back to the ionosphere, back to Earth, and in this manner traversing the Earth itself.
		Now, these were so powerful that the concept was, and we don't know how far the Russians got with it, but the concept was that just like a radar return, the signal would be so strong that if a missile was launched or an airliner was in the air, you would, in essence, have radar that went around the world.
		You know, looking for, obviously, for strategic reasons.
		Now, after the Cold War, the Russians discontinued the woodpecker.
		Now we're into more interesting things like heating the ionosphere.
		My God, that's dangerous, in my opinion.
		We're trying to heat or even blow a hole right through the ionospheric layer.
		That's one of the things they're going to do.
		Maybe it'll be all right.
		Maybe it won't.
		And then, of course, there's a lot of other baggage that HAARP may, in fact, carry with it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Yes, sir.
		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		This is Lou from Akron, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And just want you to know, I sent something to our astronomy club to you before you banned mail.
		We have star parties, public events at the local state park.
		We have our 12-inch observatory.
		And we follow the space station and all the satellites very actively.
		And the UFO Club, pretty much cape tune, we have you at our meetings and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am honored.
unidentified		Okay, I'll let somebody else call it out.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Very honored.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Ark, how about a shadow person attack story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Attack story?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody fast-blasted me a little while.
		Have I ever seen a shadow person?
		And I've seen these little clicks in the corner of my eye.
		I've never seen one straight on.
		You have an actual tax story.
		Go ahead.
		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		This happened back in 1993.
		About three days after I did an Indian sweat lodge.
		I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm betting it would.
unidentified		It might have.
		I woke up about 6 o'clock one morning.
		It's just in daylight outside.
		And I felt something kind of pushing on the side of my bed, and I thought it was my dog.
		I had this bulldog back there, and he's dead now.
		And, you know, it felt like his paws there on the edge of that.
		And even in my mind's eye, I could kind of see him.
		I could see his face next to my face.
		And I started to reach up there and put my arm around him and, you know, ruffle his head and pet him a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pet him?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I thought it was my dog, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I see.
		I see, I see.
		Yes, uh.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Put my arm around him.
unidentified		I thought, wait a minute, my dog's outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I just froze.
unidentified		And I opened my eyes and looked over there, and I was staring face to face with something that looked like my dog, but it was solid black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a cartoon almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can picture you freezing.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would too.
		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, here's my comment.
		Look.
		I understand.
		We'll get to it.
		You said it was a sweat lodge.
		You went to a sweat lodge, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you do a sweat lodge, you get into an altered state.
		Right.
		You intentionally put yourself in a severely altered state.
		So, yes.
		When you suggested there was a connection, you're dead right.
		I would say almost for sure there's a connection.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I've never seen anything like that before or since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understood.
unidentified		Okay.
		This thing was like just inches from my face.
		Looked exactly like my dog.
		It was black as coal.
		And I could see the reflection of the light coming from the hallway through my bedroom door in his eyes.
		That's how real this thing was looking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		And I started raising up away from it.
		Same time it started pulling away from me.
		And we were just, our eyes were locked at each other.
		And I'd always wondered what I'd do if I ever saw anything like this.
		I thought maybe I'd jump out of my skin and run screaming.
		But no, I just, I felt this energy come over me.
		Like all these bells were going off in my head, if you know what I mean.
		I felt this charge of electricity going through my whole body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we have to raise shows up.
unidentified		Anyway, as it raised up, it started transforming.
		And its body took on that of a humanoid shape.
		Stood up to about six feet.
		Its nose grew longer.
		Horns grew up out of it, and its ears grew longer, and it looked like a goat man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Yeah, we stood there looking at each other for about five more seconds, and then it made a move toward me.
		And I'm trained in martial arts, and naturally I reacted.
		I blocked its hand reaching out, punched it in the stomach, and it broke apart into this flickering energy field made up of these bands of greenish-yellow energy.
		And these bands just kind of floated toward the floor and looked like feathers floating.
		I watched this stuff settle into the carpet, and when it settled into the carpet, it kind of flickered around like flames.
		After the flames went out, I put it away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you able to vacuum it up?
		No.
		No.
		All right, well, I surely appreciate the story.
		That's pretty good.
		Karate kick and just disintegration.
		I wish we'd had time for more.
		We don't.
		I'm Mark Bell from the High Deserts.
		You all have a great weekend out there.

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