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	♪♪♪ From the high desert and the great American southwest,
	I give you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, in all of the Earth's time zones, however many there are.
	There are people writing me saying there are 27 at least.
	Well, however many there are, we cover them with this program, Coast to Coast AM.
	Good day to you.
	Whatever.
	It's good to be here, and I'm glad I've got a little air time tonight, because I've got a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about.
	First of all, Charlotte, North Carolina.
	Attention, Charlotte, North Carolina.
	There's a gigantic radio station in Charlotte, North Carolina, WBT.
	And about a year ago, WBT got an offer they couldn't refuse, if you follow me, from a trucker's network, which actually paid to be on.
	And, uh, so we lost a big affiliate, WBG in Charlotte.
	Well, uh, next month, uh, next month around, I think it's around June 23rd now, 21st, 23rd, somewhere in there, um, the truckers are going on down the highway and WBG in Charlotte is going to be back carrying this program seven nights a week, seven nights a week on both WBG AM, you know, you can hear it in Havana, And here in Canada, WBTAM will be on WBTAM and FM in Charlotte, North Carolina.
	That's beginning next month, so... Pedal to the metal, guys, because here we come.
	Now, there are a lot of things I want to talk to you about this morning, so I really am glad I've got the air time, as usual.
	It just never fails.
	Whether I receive an email, Just before air time.
	Or, I go to the website and I find that Keith has put something up from one of my listeners, which is just a... Oh my God, it's a mind blower!
	He's done that, and what we have here from Carl Lynch, who writes, I'm submitting to you a clip of an object that I videotaped flying west over Highway 360.
	The craft was Approximately 5,000 feet in altitude, our location, the southwesternmost part of Chesterfield County, Virginia.
	Me and my girlfriend were coming back from my brother's house in Moseley, Virginia on Highway 360 in the eastbound lane.
	And I spotted a cluster of lights coming toward us.
	The thing about it that made me pull over and watch this crap was the large red strobing light that was underneath the cluster of lights.
	Fortunately, I had a video camera with us.
	We've become accustomed to taking it along, because we regularly spot unknown light phenomena in the area.
	The craft flew right over our position, which enabled me to get a good video of this craft.
	The craft must have been some type of transparent craft, because when it flies underneath a star, you can still see the star.
	I have it all on tape, and boy, he sure as hell does now.
	Bear with me and listen to me very carefully now, alright?
	When you go to my website, which is where you can see this video, artbell.com, my recommendation is, first, right at the very top of the page on the left-hand side, under What's New, you'll see something that says Video UFO at Night.
	Click on that, and then click on View Real Video.
	And in the first, oh, I don't know, 20 seconds or so, you're going to go, oh, what a piece of crap.
	You know, it's like, but you've got to be listening.
	There's audio with this, too.
	This is nothing, you'll say.
	Well, this guy is just like I am.
	When he started the camera rolling, you know, and you're pointing up trying to get a shot of something at night, you forget you left the lens cap on.
	So you'll hear some discussion about the lens cap.
	And then he takes the lens cap off.
	Even then, you'll still say, uh, well, gee, just a blurb of light.
	Big deal.
	Looks like a star.
	Well, now wait a minute.
	Maybe a little more than a star.
	Then, all of a sudden, Carl Lynch... And by the way, Carl, I would like to talk to you, so email me quickly with a phone number, and if you do, I'll put you on the air.
	Carl, so if you'll just email me at artbellatminespring.com with a phone number or we can locate one for you either tonight or tomorrow.
	I don't care.
	We'll put you on the air.
	This is astounding.
	Then all of a sudden Carl gets his camera in position and gets it focused and then zooms in on this object and oh my god it's like something out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	This thing is incredible.
	I know that some of you don't have computers and you're not going to be able to, you know, jump up and go see this.
	All I can tell you is, do you remember the gigantic craft that had lights all the way around it and was able to, the one that sent out the tones for Close Encounters?
	Do you remember that?
	And do you remember the way some of those craft were lighted?
	When you see this thing, it's so obviously not terrestrial, so incredibly obviously not terrestrial, or even close to terrestrial.
	This is extra-terrestrial.
	It has got to be, you know, unless the whole thing is a fake, and I don't think so at all.
	You make your own judgment.
	But what you're going to see here is almost something like Out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	It's a true jaw-dropper.
	It's on my website right now.
	And you can view the real video.
	So, Artbell.com, what's new?
	First item there is just absolutely unblinking incredible.
	Absolutely incredible!
	One of the best UFO videos that I've ever seen.
	Certainly the best nighttime UFO video I've ever seen in my entire life.
	Oh, but that I could be so lucky.
	As he was, to be able to take this, to have a good video camera at his disposal, and then to have this happen.
	But you know, we've got now millions of people out there, millions of you across the U.S.
	with camcorders.
	Really good camcorders.
	Latest, greatest, you know, OneLux or part of OneLux sensitivity type camcorders.
	So I'm not surprised that we're beginning to see this kind of imagery, but this is a mind blower.
	This one's a real mind-blower and something you don't want to miss, so make your way, borrow, beg, do not steal a computer.
	You can go to the library, whatever.
	Get to my website, and again, one more time, under What's New, and you've got to give this thing about 30 seconds, and when he gets it focused and zoomed, it's a true oh-my-god moment.
	It's entitled Video UFO at Night, and yes, I would like to speak with Carl, so Carl, If you can fire me off a fast email, fine, I'll call you up tonight and get you on the air and tell everybody about it.
	In the meantime, our thanks for sending this video, which I know you have copyrighted.
	To our website.
	Thank you very much, Carl, and anybody having any similar material, sending it to our website.
	We are, of course, incredibly appreciative.
	This is the kind of thing we look for, and this one is in, you know, on a scale of ten, this one's like a nine.
	At least a nine.
	All right.
	Let's, for a second, Look at what's going on in the world, shall we?
	I've been sort of waiting to comment on all of this, and so I'm going to take this opportunity to do it.
	I'm going to read you the top stories that are running around right now like you haven't heard them, because I know you have.
	The FBI warned city officials today it had received uncooperated information that terrorists have made threats against New York and some of its landmarks, including the Statue of Liberty, The Brooklyn Bridge.
	The police commissioner there, Raymond Kelly, characterized the information as general threats, but patrols have been increased at some popular sites, including the statue on the bridge.
	A law enforcement official speaking on conditions of anonymity said that information came from an unidentified detainee who spoke with the FBI.
	So it's like there is not a day that goes by anymore without having to hear about what they're going to blow up, how they're going to get weapons of mass destruction and kill us.
	Let's see, let me continue though with the news.
	More than a thousand World Bank employees all had to work from home after an anthrax scare Tuesday and its sister agency, the IMF, That's the International Monetary Fund found evidence of spores in its mail room.
	One hundred IMF employees and four World Bank employees were taking antibiotics as a precaution.
	So, it appears they've gone after the World Bank and the IMF.
	President Bush continuing with the news.
	President Bush warned today that Al-Qaeda terrorists still want to hurt us.
	That's a quote.
	Still want to hurt us.
	Well, his Pentagon chief said that terrorists inevitably will acquire weapons of mass destruction from countries like Iraq, Iran, or North Korea.
	The Secretary of State, Coleman Powell, said terrorists are trying every way they can to get nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons.
	His words were part of the latest round of alarms from the Bush administration.
	Alright, so... You know, we...
	I have had discussions, you and I, over a long period of time about the use of nuclear weapons.
	Now, I'm tired of hearing this.
	I'm tired of being attacked.
	And I'm sure the Israelis passed this bar, this point, a long time ago.
	And so you have to understand a little bit of what they feel.
	But I'll tell you this.
	And remember, I'm just a talk show host.
	I'm just one person expressing this opinion.
	And I've thought a lot about this, and I'm going to express it, no doubt, and take a lot of heat for it, but I'm probably too old and cranky to give a damn anymore.
	I just, I really don't care.
	In my opinion, If this continues, I mean, now they're telling us suicide bombers, actually homicide bombers, they ought to be called, are inevitable in this country.
	It's about to happen.
	It's going to start happening.
	They're going to blow up our Statue of Liberty, huh?
	And they're going to kill us any way they can.
	Just like Independence Day, you know, they don't want anything particularly from us.
	They want us dead.
	Well, you know what?
	We're better at blowing up stuff than they are.
	Now, maybe they think that we won't do it, but I'm suggesting that we should.
	In my opinion, if this continues unabated, if the United States is attacked with any sort of biological, chemical, or nuclear dirty bomb, whatever in the hell, and we've heard it all, haven't we?
	Dirty bombs, they're collecting radiation, they're going to blow this, they're going to blow up that.
	Well, I've had it, and I think the appropriate response from the U.S.
	ought to be the use of nuclear weapons, and tactical, some number of kilotons I'm talking about now.
	But I'm thinking that perhaps the Boko Valley in southern Lebanon, should cease to exist.
	I'm thinking that we should detonate something in the southern part of Lebanon and simply erase the southern part of Lebanon.
	I'm thinking that we should perhaps take a good look at the Pakistani-Afghan border area, where al-Qaeda is dug in, wherever else we can find al-Qaeda, and detonate something.
	I'm thinking that in Iraq, in areas where they're obviously putting together nuclear and biological weapons that inevitably are going to be put in the hands of people who will kill us or try to kill us with them, that we should detonate a nuclear weapon.
	I'm thinking that we ought to just blow the holy crap out of them.
	Because I've just about, I've truly, I've had it.
	They destroyed the two largest buildings in New York.
	And that wasn't all.
	They hit the Pentagon.
	They probably would have hit the White House if they were on the way trying to do that.
	And now, on a daily basis, we're hearing what they're going to destroy of ours.
	You know, our Statue of Liberty, the Manhattan Ridge.
	Dirty nuclear weapons, whatever they can get their hands on.
	Biological weapons.
	Just one more attack, and as far as I'm concerned, we should immediately respond with nuclear weapons in the areas I mentioned, and or any other good targets of opportunity.
	And I'm generally talking, of course, about non-populated areas, or largely non-populated areas, or what population does exist, for example, in the Baga Valley, basically terrorist.
	And I realize what I'm saying, but I think we ought to not only say we're going to do it, But we ought to do it.
	And I mean that.
	The next time we're attacked in any way at all, on any large scale, there should be an immediate retaliation, a general retaliation against terrorism.
	We've said in this country, this war against terror is one that's going to go on for a long time.
	Well, I'll tell you what's going to happen if we don't do this.
	We're going to slowly lose our constitutional freedoms.
	That's what's going to happen.
	That's what terror will do to America.
	Don't you doubt it for one second.
	You know, you can argue that, oh well, this is just what our government wants, you know, some great threat that will allow them to remove our constitutional freedoms, or you can just believe that in order to try and be safer in the face of people blowing themselves up with, you know, C4 high explosives, people blowing up our Statue of Liberty, you know, one of the bridges in New York, or the tunnels, Maybe a dirty bomb and poisoning a city full of American people.
	You know, as far as I'm concerned, screw them!
	And we should not, we should right now, right now, we should say, if we are attacked, we will respond with nuclear detonations in the Bekaa Valley, in southern Lebanon, on the Pakistani-Afghan border, where we find these jerks.
	In Iraq, where nuclear and biological work is going on, we will detonate nuclear weapons in these areas, period.
	And maybe, well, you know, I'm not a strategic sort of guy who knows really where we ought to do this and where we can do it with good effect, but they want to see things blow up.
	We know how to blow up things real well.
	Really, really well.
	We have all kinds of atomic weaponry refined in ways that we probably don't even know about.
	They're so good.
	But it will turn things to glass.
	It will completely obliterate everything that lives in that area.
	It will turn it into a dead zone.
	And I know that that is as radical as you can get.
	Probably.
	But I think we ought to, number one, announce it.
	I think our president ought to state it as a U.S.
	policy.
	I understand, actually.
	We're beginning to move in that direction anyway.
	They're reassessing the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
	But, you know, we haven't outright said it, and I think we ought to.
	I'm tired of hearing on a daily basis who they're going to kill and what they're going to blow up in our country.
	To hell with them, and I really mean straight to hell with them, or whatever they think of as the afterlife.
	Oh, by the way, afterlife is something we're going to be talking about in the next hour.
	I've got a guest here talking about reincarnation.
	Past lives and reincarnation.
	Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, that's where we should be sending these folks to.
	To the next life, or to the next reincarnation, or straight to hell.
	Wherever it is you go, when you're no longer physically here.
	Because I'm tired of being threatened.
	I'm tired of having this country threatened.
	And if that's to be our future, then we have the ability and the means to call a halt to this.
	And I don't see any other avenue.
	Sometimes you just gotta do it.
	This is Coast.
	Why?
	Who?
	Him.
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing.
	Why?
	Who?
	Him.
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely nothing.
	Coast.
	Say it again, y'all.
	What is it good for?
	Absolutely not.
	Listen to me!
	Oh, whoa!
	I despise constant mean distortion
	of this life War means death
	and hours of other life when I start to occupy it
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	Wow.
	Under the category of Ask and Ye Shall Receive, the man who took the video, Carl, the one that I just sent you up there to see, the one that I told you is pretty close to Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	This incredible craft, this nighttime video of this craft.
	I've got Carl's telephone number, and I actually have Carl on the line.
	Thank you, Keith Rowland.
	It got emailed right away.
	So I'm coming up in a moment.
	the man who took this amazing video, Carl.
	Well, alright, again, the video I've got up on my website right now
	is so kick-ass.
	I mean, it's just unbelievable.
	You don't get many of this quality ever, ever.
	And it's under What's New Video, UFO at Night, it says.
	And here's the man who took the video.
	How's that for karma?
	His name is Carl.
	Carl, welcome to the program.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	Glad to be here.
	Where are you anyway, Carl?
	I'm in Chesterfield, Virginia.
	It's just south of Richmond.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Carl, when did you take this video?
	We took this video the night of January 8th.
	January 8th.
	Right.
	I think it was a Wednesday night.
	We had gone to my brother's house to check out a wood stove.
	We had a video camera with us.
	What kind of camera is it, by the way?
	It's a Sony CRV 520.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, I thought maybe.
	I thought maybe.
	Okay.
	And it was with you because you've seen other weird stuff?
	Oh, yeah.
	I've got almost an hour of other objects.
	Anything up in this class?
	I mean, to me, you know, I said on the air, it looks like something right out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	Yeah, there's only one other clip, one other video I have of something that was doing flips over just right behind her house.
	Alright, well, that would cause you to begin carrying a video camera.
	I had one experience, too.
	I didn't have a video camera with me.
	I still curse that fact, but you did, and so... I remember your story.
	Yeah, okay, good.
	Anyway, so, you know, in the beginning of the video, it's not real impressive.
	Right.
	I mean, you've got audio.
	I should tell everybody there is audio with it, you know, so you can hear it as it's happening.
	I love that.
	Carl did exactly what I always do and that is I go out and for the first couple minutes when I shoot I realize later I have my lens cap on and that's why everything is so black.
	Right.
	And there was apparently that moment for you Carl?
	Oh yeah.
	And the other thing it was in night shot mode as well that's why it's green.
	Okay.
	And that's why, when you see the cap come off, everything is kind of green, and, you know, I don't bother even with turning that off.
	Even then, at first, it only would seem to be a dot of light, almost a star, it looks like, and you go, ah, you know, what's this?
	Another sort of blurry, sort of non-distinct light, and, you know, Get a million like that, Carl.
	And they never see the website, believe me.
	And my girlfriend was looking at it through a binocular.
	She was going berserk over what she was seeing.
	And I could see it with my eyes.
	I was just trying to get it focused with the camera.
	Oh, I understand.
	That's hard to do at night.
	It's really hard to do.
	And so, you finally, obviously, got it focused.
	And then, I know the camera you have, so you have Really good zoom.
	Right.
	Mechanical and then digital, right?
	Right.
	That's right.
	So you obviously managed to find the object.
	You focused and then you zoomed it, it would appear.
	Exactly.
	And zoomed in pretty good for a while.
	And then my girlfriend jumped on the truck because she's so excited and shakes the camera.
	And that's why you see that camera shake there.
	I'd be shaking myself.
	Now, even right up to the very end of the clip that we have, that you sent in, this object is still clearly there.
	Right.
	What happened to the object?
	Obviously, even though the video ends, you must have continued to watch.
	Well, I zoomed on it.
	I was zooming in on it until it started to get breaking up, because it goes into digital zoom.
	Right.
	That's right.
	At that point, we got in the truck and we said, let's go follow the damn thing.
	No way.
	It was moving.
	Well, it was moving just under the speed of your regular air traffic.
	It was going super slow.
	But we realized there was no way we were going to catch up with it in the truck.
	I got probably close to two minutes of video of this thing.
	So you finally, I mean, at what you just said, what, given up and going to continue where we were headed?
	We went back to my brother's house and showed him.
	He was the first one I got to see it through the viewfinder of the camcorder.
	Really?
	Look what we got.
	And when it really came into focus, what did he say?
	He was blown away.
	He had seen something very similar to that years ago when he was He's a coon hunter.
	He used to go coon hunting.
	They were out one night and they had seen a light coming through the woods.
	By the time I got to him it was actually a silent craft that was flying right over top of him.
	All he saw was the back end of it.
	He said it looked similar to what I got on video.
	You know, it looks similar to a lot of things.
	It looks similar, in fact, to the craft that In the movie about the abduction of Travis Walton, it looks similar to me to that craft as well.
	I think that was Fire in the Sky, wasn't it?
	It looks like that.
	It looks like something out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	I mean, there's no way that's any kind of terrestrial craft.
	Period.
	Yeah, we're still trying to figure it out.
	I mean, looking at it with Photoshop and adjusting the contrast and brightness and Trying to see something else there.
	Have you run this by any experts yet?
	Have you submitted this to MUFON and all the people who would inspect this sort of thing?
	What have you done?
	Well, there's someone from Lockheed Martin that's looking into it.
	He's supposed to be checking the FAA records to see if there's any reports of unusual craft.
	I'm waiting for that.
	Other than that, no, I haven't submitted it to any experts.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, you have now.
	That's good.
	We can figure this thing out together, hopefully.
	Were there any additional effects that anybody who was near this experienced?
	Not that I... No effects.
	If you listen to the audio closely, the downside of the clip that you guys are seeing is the, you know, I have to bring it down to real audio, which is compressed.
	Oh, I understand.
	The video itself is going to be really much sharper.
	Oh yeah, a whole lot sharper.
	Yeah, well... This thing is like, it takes up normally like 75 megabytes of, you know, if you have it as an MPEG file.
	Of course, yes.
	So, you know, you're looking at a one megabyte file.
	So it's quite compressed.
	Right.
	So it looks a heck of a lot better, you know, on tape.
	How has this, I'm curious, to have such an incredible sighting, I'm wondering how it has affected you?
	Well, it hasn't really affected me, made me any different, because, you know, I've been seeing, that's why I bought the camera, because of the things I've been seeing.
	And instead of telling people about it and they're going, well, you know, it's probably a blimp or a point or whatever.
	I'll start a videotaping.
	Yeah, it's like Fish Story, you know?
	Right.
	Now I can say, you know, I've got it on tape.
	Except you've got it on tape.
	That's right.
	All right, Carl, listen, I've got your number.
	Yeah.
	All I can say is, yeah, for you for having a camera there, buddy.
	Thank you.
	And let's stay in touch.
	We're going to get a lot of feedback on this video, I can tell you right now.
	I think if more people keep their eyes open, they would catch some strange craft themselves.
	Thank you very much, Carl.
	Talk to you soon.
	All right, that's Carl, who has the video that he's, as he points out, it's compressed and the real McCoy would be about 50 megabytes and would take you several hours to download at, you know, at phone line type speed.
	So obviously we're not going to put that up.
	However, what is up there?
	is just a total mind blower.
	I mean, this guy has caught what, in my opinion, is virtually straight out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	Anybody else out there have any differing opinions?
	I'm sure we'll get lots of opinions.
	Why, there's as many opinions as navels out there, so that's fine.
	We'll get lots of opinions, but I'm telling you, this one's high on the scale.
	Nine or ten on a scale of ten.
	In fact, about the only way that you'd get to A 10 would be to have this thing land and have some creatures walk out.
	Next to that, so we'll leave it at a 9.
	Next to that, this is at least a 9.
	10 would be landing with creatures.
	Okay, that's all on Artbell.com on my website right now.
	That's where you go, artbell.com.
	First item under What's New.
	And I can almost hear the bandwidth getting sucked away.
	Again, bear with it.
	You think you're just seeing a star for a while, and then all of a sudden, there it is.
	And there are so many things.
	In fact, if you look carefully, you can see what appears to be a jet or something goes streaking by.
	But then he gets a real close-up of these Oh man, what a video.
	All right, let's take a few calls, shall we?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Hello there.
	Hi, are you here?
	Yes, I am.
	I don't know what you're doing over there, but okay.
	Yes, I'm here.
	Okay, very good.
	Welcome, sir.
	How are you tonight?
	I'm okay.
	How are you?
	Well, pretty good.
	I agree with what you said about the war.
	Hold on just one sec.
	I finally see what's happened here.
	Alright, there we've got you.
	So, with regard to the war?
	Yes, I do believe what you said is what we should do and the course of nature we should take.
	We have been basically attacked in one of the worst ways possible by taking down the World Trade Centers.
	Yeah, and now, you know, doesn't the future seem clear to you?
	That, you know, they're going to blow up things like the Statue of Liberty and the bridge, and they're going to set off a dirty bomb, and this or that, and we're hearing it like every day now.
	That's what the news is full of, how they're going to kill us, destroy us, blow up our stuff.
	Well, if you want to hear about a dirty bomb, just put Osama Bin Laden in there when he hasn't taken a shower for three days.
	I mean, you know, it's not just Osama.
	See, they're right about that.
	This is much wider.
	This is the little rats in the Bokar Valley.
	This is Saddam.
	And we're going to have to deal with that.
	And then there's the Pakistani-Afghan border situation.
	I say we tell them exactly right now, straight out from the United States President, what we're going to do.
	And then just sit back.
	And if they do that, then we go ahead and do it.
	Well, I totally agree.
	I think we should give them some kind of ultimatum.
	If you do this or this, we will let out what we have.
	I mean, we've got this huge arsenal of weapons that the United States government turns out, and why not use some of it, too, you know?
	I mean, we've got all these nuclear warheads If we have to, we should be able to use them.
	Up until this time, until recently, I've been against that because I don't know.
	I don't know why.
	It's the last resort.
	But you know what?
	To me, we're getting to last resort time.
	If we don't do this, then the future we have to look forward to is one of fear, And building hate, and just people dying, innocent people dying, and maybe entire cities of innocent people dying.
	To hell with that.
	We've got the weapons, let's use them.
	Let's use them, yes.
	Yes, you bet.
	And the other point I'd like to make is, we're living in a society where there shouldn't be hate, and we should be able to get along with everybody we live in.
	I mean, this is America.
	The land of freedom!
	Well, right now it is, sir, but that's one of the things that we could lose.
	That's one of the things we could lose if we continue with present policy, which is to give out colors of warnings of conditions, green, red, orange, yellow, whatever.
	If we just continue on this road, we're going to start to lose our freedoms.
	And you can argue, you can sit out there all day and all night, if you want to, and argue that that's exactly what the government wants, and I know that a lot of people will argue that fine.
	Doesn't really matter.
	The fact of the matter is, one way or the other, we will lose our freedoms, because we'll be trading it for security.
	And that means that a large part of the Fourth Amendment, for sure, perhaps even some of the First Amendment and the other amendments and protections that we enjoy, are going to drive and blow away.
	Because that's the only way, short of what I'm talking about, that we'll be able to protect ourselves, or even try to protect ourselves.
	But it's cowering down, and it's going to be an invasion of the Constitution, and I'm not prepared to see that occur.
	So I'd much rather blow the hell out of them.
	We can blow things up much, much better than they can, and so we should begin doing that.
	That's my opinion.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	Hello there.
	Hi, it's Maureen from San Diego.
	Hi, nice to talk to you again.
	I'm glad you're here.
	What's up?
	Thank you.
	Tomorrow night they're going to be showing David Blaine's Vertical tomorrow night at 10 o'clock.
	Really?
	Yeah, are you going to watch it?
	His levitation?
	Yeah, well he's going to be on top of a building and I think it's going to fall down.
	He's going to be on top of a building and what?
	A little thing they showed in the commercial and I guess he's going to be standing up there for a long... Oh, I don't know.
	He's going to be standing up there for a long time and somebody's going to drop down the building.
	He's going to fall off.
	He's going to... How big a building?
	I don't know.
	It's like an ordinary office building.
	You mean many, many stories up?
	I think, yeah.
	So then he's going to die, huh?
	Well, I mean, if you, if you... Does he have a parachute?
	No.
	So they're saying he's going to somehow safely go from the top of the building, fall off it, and not get hurt?
	Is that the idea?
	Yeah.
	Have you got emails for it?
	No.
	No?
	No, it sounds like he's going to die.
	Because they said on the commercial it's going to be live, except on the West Coast.
	Live?
	You mean the videos are going to be live, or the transmission will be live?
	Yeah.
	And maybe it'll be a video of David Blaine dying.
	Maybe.
	Well, I guess for David's sake, I hope he can do it.
	Yeah.
	If he can, that certainly will be rather impressive, won't it?
	Yeah.
	They say a human body hitting the street at not quite a terminal velocity sounds a little like a watermelon getting squished.
	I wonder how he's going to do it tomorrow.
	Me too.
	Anything else, hon?
	Yes, um, in this, um, in the catalogue called Things You Never Knew Existed, you, you in your head that, um, that, um, open lines about invisibility?
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, let me, Let me tell you, you know what's coming up?
	What?
	On Friday, the gal who wrote that whole thing that I read, Donna Good Higbee, is going to be on the program.
	That's actually coming up Thursday, not Friday.
	Thursday night, Friday morning.
	Donna Good Higbee on human invisibility, spontaneous human invisibility.
	Oh, that's good, because for this catalog I bought this book called Invisibility and Levitation.
	We've had a really hard time tracking her down, but we found her.
	She wrote this incredible piece, and she's got a lot more, so she's going to actually tell us the stories that she knows about regarding spontaneous human invisibility.
	Oh, cool!
	In this book, it also has prayers on how to become invisible, and it tells of people who have become invisible A long time ago, and you also include a spell and a section here on how to levitate.
	It's a really neat book.
	Well, I would be really... Thank you very much.
	I'd be very interested.
	Sure, I'll watch.
	I guess.
	So, he's going to go up on top of a building, stand there for a long time, and then fall off, is what she said.
	Now, I have no idea if that's exactly really what's going to happen, but if he falls off, it seems to me, probably he's going to die.
	Now, maybe he knows something I don't.
	But it sounds like a big squish thing to me.
	Live, huh?
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	Well, as I said, and I want to emphasize again on my website right now, is a video that is nine on a scale of ten.
	It's a nighttime UFO video, and you've got to stick with it.
	About 30 seconds in, he finally gets everything focused and zoomed, and it's like, oh my God.
	Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	Zack Good.
	It's called, it's under What's New?
	Video UFO at Night.
	Be interested in your opinion, definitely.
	To me, it's 9 on a scale of 10 and the best nighttime one I've ever seen, period.
	Coming up in a moment, one of our favorite topics in a lot of ways, and that is, what happens when you die?
	Well, one very strong view everywhere is that you reincarnate, when you come back.
	When you die, you don't exactly die, you reincarnate, and that's what we're going to explore.
	Brian Jamieson is here, he's a long acclaimed master past life regressionist.
	He also is internationally recognized as a true pioneer in the field of past-life therapy.
	After creating his own non-hypnotic method, that's interesting, non-hypnotic method of past-life regression, in 1968 he went on to facilitate, hello, more than 25,000 regressions, and trained nearly 2,000 others to become past-life regressionists in the US, Canada, and Western Europe.
	Wow.
	In addition to appearing as a featured guest on numerous radio and TV programs, his research also has been cited by many other major authorities in the field, as well as in numerous national and international publications.
	Brian Jameson, the subject of reincarnation, coming right up.
	All right.
	Good.
	Here we go.
	One of my favorite topics in all the world, and that is what happens to you after you pass away physically.
	This is Brian Jamison.
	Brian, welcome to the program.
	Thanks, Eric.
	Glad to be here.
	Where are you?
	San Diego.
	San Diego.
	Oh, okay.
	Close by.
	Pretty close.
	You have been doing this for a very long time, apparently.
	About 33 years.
	33 years.
	The first thing I want to know is how you got started, why you got started, how did you fall into this?
	That's kind of the way it felt, like I fell into it.
	Yeah, sure.
	Curiosity.
	I was trying to come up with some answers for myself, you know, what's the whole point of our being here, what's running everything, and you know, when you look around, it's obvious that reason is not exactly running the planet.
	But I assume there has to be some intelligence and some kind of a plan.
	You know, I hope you're right.
	So do I. But I was looking at trying to understand how it can all work, because in the course of one lifetime, I don't care who you are, you're not going to get everything right, and you're not going to be able to do everything you have a desire to do.
	And too many people die before their projects are completed, and it just didn't seem fair.
	You know, there's got to be an answer here.
	And then I was listening to Bill Barker, who used to run a talk show in KOA.
	KOA in Denver.
	Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Bill.
	And he was talking about his trip to Ireland for the Denver Post to check out the Bridie Murphy story.
	And I thought, my God, if reincarnation exists, then maybe that would be the answer.
	So I called him when he got off the air and asked him if he knew anybody in Denver that did regressions, and he didn't.
	Maury had stopped doing that, Maury Bernstein.
	And so I decided to find somebody to do a regression, and about a week later I was at an agency party.
	I was in broadcasting at that time, and I met a lady by the name of Ann Spaulding from California.
	And somehow the subject of reincarnation came up in the course of the evening, and she said, well, if you're really interested, I can regress you.
	So we made a date, and about a week later she regressed myself and a friend of mine from Canada.
	Into two of the most boring lifetimes any two people could experience.
	Using hypnotic regression.
	The basis of it was hypnosis with a dab of guided visualization, a little meditative technique, and affirmations.
	It was really a Duke's Mixture, really.
	Okay, well you said a boring previous life.
	The ones we tapped into were very boring.
	Extremely boring.
	What were you?
	I was a blacksmith in a small town outside of Amsterdam.
	And the other fellow was, he'd been abandoned as an orphan.
	He was just thrown in.
	They used to have boxes outside of monasteries to drop off kids, unwanted kids.
	Right.
	And that's how he began his, was being dropped off as a baby.
	And both of us, neither one of us were very bright in particular lives.
	So it was not the kind of life you're going to sit around fantasizing, you know?
	And in any case, and finish her work and then I got her a couple more times
	from her and asked if she'd teach me how to do it and she did. And
	then I used her process for about six months and I'd heard somewhere that anything
	you do with hypnosis you can do without it.
	I don't know if that's true but that's what I was told.
	Well, by now you know if it's true.
	Well, you know, like... I mean, can you as successfully regress somebody into a passive?
	More so.
	More so, yeah.
	Because they're in total control.
	So the answer is you do know.
	Well, non-hypnotic techniques can do it, yeah.
	But you know, some people can do things under hypnosis, like suspend themselves between two boards and have people jumping up and down on them.
	Well... I don't know.
	Yeah, I've seen that.
	I don't know.
	So anyway, the process that I use just popped into my mind about a week later as I was going to sleep, and I tried it.
	It worked.
	We went from roughly, I'd say, 20% successes to 90% successes.
	Really?
	And it's now 98%.
	Really?
	I miss on about two or three people a year.
	It doesn't matter whether they believe in it or not.
	As a matter of fact, the disbelief... It says you've facilitated more than 25,000 regressions.
	Quite a bit more.
	That's a lot of regressions, and you're telling me that 98% of the time you can take them back without a problem.
	Yeah.
	98% of the people that I attempt to regress are successful.
	Then you must have a lot of answers.
	First of all, how many lives is it possible, on average, to go back and look at?
	How far back can you take I think we're all the same age as far as the soul itself is concerned.
	person. So are some people then apparently new souls, relatively new souls, altogether?
	You do?
	I think we're all the same age as far as the soul itself is concerned.
	You do? Yeah, like in the beginning, we were.
	Okay, well then, explain the age-old question that everybody asks about reincarnation, and
	that is, you know, we're now six billion plus people on the planet, so a lot of people on
	the planet.
	That's right.
	And so, where the heck are all these souls coming from?
	Well, they can come from a lot of different places.
	This will fall right into your backyard, because You know, you're wondering about extraterrestrial life.
	Is there life out there?
	Yes, of course.
	You're convinced, I'm sure, that there is.
	And what I've done, not by design, I certainly wasn't planning on it, but from the very early days, was I went into it open-ended.
	I didn't have any answers already that I wanted to get verified.
	I went into it cold turkey.
	And so we ended up regressing people into past lives that took place off planet, for that matter, out of this galaxy.
	Okay.
	Well, you know, I've asked about this before, and other regressionists have said it's not that common.
	And you're telling me it is.
	Well, if it's very common, then it does explain this pool of souls.
	You know, we may be but a sand in the bucket of life.
	that's that's available out there and if there is this great non-locality these you know these scientists are now talking about and everything is connected to everything then it would make absolute sense and you would expect people like yourself, regressionists, to be running into non-human previous lives.
	Right, yeah.
	And you're telling me the answer is yes you do.
	Yeah.
	I usually don't explore unless they're affecting the individual now.
	I usually don't mess around with the off-planet stuff.
	Why not?
	Well, because if it's not affecting them, why bother with it?
	How about curiosity?
	I don't have that much about it.
	I'm more concerned with how the past lives are affecting the individual now.
	So many people in your field, and you're no exception, use past life regression to heal or to take care of problems that are occurring in this life right now, right?
	I guess a very practical approach.
	In other words, you could have some great fear, fear of heights, or fear of whatever, or physical illness, or mental illness.
	How often is the cause of some great malady that we have in this lifetime found in the past?
	I don't have any statistics on that.
	Except, invariably, if I'm dealing with somebody that has a phobia, Whether it's claustrophobia or vertigo or whatever, a fear of little black bugs, it doesn't really matter.
	Invariably, there'll be something that's happened to them in a past life that has caused that problem to exist.
	Now, something could have also happened in this lifetime to trigger all the past life fears as well.
	So, in other words, a mouse could run across their foot, and all of a sudden they go into a panic attack, totally disproportionate To the trauma experience for the mouse.
	But what they're triggering is the fear that came when they were in some dungeon somewhere and rats were crawling on their body.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	And so the current life experience just triggers a past life fear that gets blown out totally out of proportion.
	Apparently we do not drop our fears or our griefs or our guilts or whatever when we drop the bodies.
	Those emotions get locked in soul level in kind of a state of suspended animation.
	And then, when the opportunity presents itself in a later life, something will happen.
	They were killed at the age of 26, and so when they hit 26 years old this time, it'll trigger the old past life trauma.
	Well, you know, I can understand how all this would affect somebody's subconscious, and therefore their present behavior from a past life.
	What I have never understood about the process of reincarnation, and you probably don't know the answer to it, or maybe you do, have some guesses, and that is, what good is reincarnation unless the consciousness that we have now is carried forth into the next incarnation.
	In other words, it seems like the past life is pushed back so far that you've got to go after it either with your method or hypnotic regression or whatever.
	It's hidden.
	It's not consciousness as we understand it.
	So what good is reincarnation unless your consciousness is carried forward?
	Well, in a way, it is carried forward.
	But it's carried forward... In what way?
	Well, it's carried forward at a subconscious level, is all I can say.
	Well, at soul level, these things are carried forward and they manifest, and that goes for talents as well as problems.
	Do you think perhaps we are not meant... The reason that it's not with us consciously is because it's not meant to be.
	It's not supposed to be.
	We're not supposed to remember.
	What happened to us in a previous life?
	Maybe that's the way it all works.
	Well, there are a lot of people who believe that.
	As a matter of fact, there are some Buddhists that believe that if you explore a past life, you shorten this one.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	There are several.
	And Manly Hall, who was quite an authority in reincarnation when he was alive, definitely discouraged a past life regression.
	And the reason that he describes it was because he thought you should spend your time working on this lifetime, not dawdling over something that happened a thousand years ago.
	Well, he's got a good point.
	And so what do you say to that?
	I say he doesn't understand what past life regression is all about.
	Because it's like, what good, you know, you live, say I live in San Diego, what good does it do me to travel to Western Europe And see all the world capitals and enjoy myself, learn how to speak Italian or something, then come back and spend the rest of my life in San Diego.
	What good is that to me?
	And I would say it's good because it has broadened your view of the global picture.
	And you'll certainly see the United States much differently after you spend some time overseas.
	You know, actually, I believe that so strongly, Brian, that I have thought a good use of taxpayer dollars would be to finance a trip for every U.S.
	citizen To some foreign country.
	It almost really doesn't matter.
	But they ought to see something of the third world at least.
	I agree completely.
	In order to understand what we have here.
	You really don't know until you go and see it for yourself.
	And then it's like a bomb going off in your head.
	And when you finally get back on U.S.
	soil, you're ready to get down and kiss it.
	And a lot of people do.
	You appreciate it a hell of a lot more.
	You're damn right.
	The thing is, you know how we say, you don't want to judge an Indian until you've walked into his moccasin.
	Well, that's what you do in a regression.
	You go back, and you walk in the Indians' moccasins, because you were the Indian.
	So you know how he felt, because you've been there.
	And I'd say, you know, what is it?
	Experience plus knowledge equals wisdom?
	Are we more likely to come back, if we're men, are we likely to come back as men, or as likely to come back as women?
	We switch it.
	25 to 50 percent.
	Of the past lives, and I've never done a statistical readout on this, but it's running 25-50% of the past lives were as a member of the opposite sex.
	It's like coin toss almost, huh?
	Well, there's a reason for it.
	And the one thing I've discovered is there are no accidents.
	There's a reason for everything, for every choice you make.
	And so if you're a female, there's a reason you incarnated to be a female at this time in human history.
	And the same thing goes for the race, the same thing goes for the nationality.
	I have, just to get this out front, absolutely no negative feelings about people in the homosexual community.
	They do what they do.
	I mean, they are what they are.
	But if reincarnation is real, and at some point somebody was a female in their last life, isn't it Almost inevitable that if they reincarnate that a part of what comes along with that subconscious transference is sexuality.
	And isn't it possible that that may answer that answer that nobody understands why somebody has a homosexual preference versus heterosexual?
	Well, there's a chapter in my book on that.
	Is there?
	Oh yeah.
	It's to be or not to be gay is the name of the chapter.
	And there's a reason.
	The reason varies as much as to the people being regressed in those lives.
	It runs the gamut.
	They could have had a heterosexual love in a past life with somebody.
	The only way they can be together again in some kind of a loving relationship Because they're incarnating as a member of the same gender.
	Uh-huh.
	Is to do it as a gay couple.
	And that's come up many times.
	And other times, uh... Oh, that's incredible.
	Some of my gay friends are not going to like this, but you're going to find a lot of homosexuals that are homophobic.
	Huh?
	Yes.
	You're going to find a lot of homosexuals are homophobic.
	They hate being homosexual.
	Oh.
	They don't have a lot of truck with those who are.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Okay?
	Now, why would somebody incarnate as a homosexual not to like homosexuals?
	My answer is because they don't have any choice.
	No, you have choice.
	You do have a choice.
	Well, most gay people that I've spoken with have said no, they have no choice.
	No, once they incarnate, if they're gay, they're gay.
	Listen, we're at the bottom of the hour.
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	I'm Art Bell.
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	It may be that we all do do it again.
	Again and again.
	That's what we're talking about.
	Past Lives.
	We're talking about reincarnation.
	My guest is Brian Jameson.
	If you'll stay there, we'll be right back.
	The book that Brian Jameson has written is called The Search for Past Lives, Exploring Reincarnation's Mysteries and the Amazing Power of Past Life Therapy.
	And here he is again.
	You know, Brian, it seems to me that Our sexuality is as strong a part of what we are, the totality of what we are, as anything else, almost, that you could name.
	I mean, it's one of the top, I don't know, three or four or five or something.
	Our sexuality is big time.
	So, it does seem to me like there'd be a big effect from, if reincarnation is real and there are past lives, there would be a big time effect.
	And it might affect Homosexuality and the fact that we don't understand homosexuality, even the homosexuals don't understand it.
	Most of them will just tell you, look, I understood very early in my life and it's just that way.
	You know, I've talked to them and it's just like, I am heterosexual and just love women.
	They have the exact same opposite feeling for the same sex.
	Do you think it's that big a factor?
	I think it's a tremendous factor.
	I was going to say before, you know, the question is why would somebody choose to be homosexual before they incarnate?
	Now, these decisions are made before they incarnate, not after.
	So that's made in soul choice before they ever draw their first breath.
	In soul choice?
	What do you mean in soul choice?
	Well, the soul is making the choices.
	Is there a period that we can document or that we understand anything at all about between incarnations?
	Do we understand what sort of time?
	I understand time there is perhaps not relating to time here on the other side, but still, from the point of view of the regressionist, I would think that you could sort of document a linear period of time In other words, if you jump to the last life, was it immediately, from a linear time point of view, prior to this life, or was there a buffer zone in there?
	That depends on the individual.
	When I began my work, it was not unusual, because we'd be going thousands of years back, you know?
	Yes.
	It wasn't at all unusual for somebody to be out of body for a thousand years, because there wasn't much going on.
	I mean, you wake up in the morning, you go out and kill something to eat, Have a kid or two and you die.
	So there just wasn't much happening for thousands and thousands of thousands of years.
	So do you think there really were thousands of years that passed or do you think that you might have missed some incarnations and just jumped?
	I don't think so, but then you never know, because it's a subjective experience and you're taking people's words for what they're describing.
	Of course, but in general, it would appear as though as many as thousands of years may pass before reincarnation.
	Now, but we're going back many, many hundreds of years here to get that kind of a break.
	Understood.
	Now, I find that we're popping back in.
	The quickest reincarnation I ever bumped into, a person reincarnating, was about 15 minutes.
	And she, it was a female, she died in a boating accident in France and incarnated within 15 minutes into a four-year-old boy who was being revived from a drowning accident in Biloxi, Mississippi.
	Here's a case of a walk-in where one soul, the soul of the four-year-old boy left and the soul of the 17-year-old girl popped in and took it.
	Holy smokes!
	That's called a walk-in.
	Ruth Montgomery coined that term back in the 70s.
	Oh, yes.
	There's a walk-in.
	Those are more common than you might imagine as well.
	You know, people will go in, they've had a tremendous automobile accident or something, or they've gone into surgery, or they've had a big trauma, some kind of an emotional trauma, and then their personality changes, everything about them changes.
	Do you think this is a choice actually made by the soul in question, for example, to come back that quickly, or do you think that there is some sort of Rules and regs up there about when you reincarnate, how you reincarnate, and into what body.
	Oh yeah.
	In other words, you could just die to be rich and think, gee, it would be nice to be a member of the Rockefeller family.
	But if you haven't earned the right to live in that lifestyle, then forget it.
	They're not going to want you as a member of that family, and you're not going to fit there anyway.
	That would be off the board for you.
	You can only have what you've earned the right to have, which I think is pretty fair.
	I do, too.
	You can only have what you've earned the right to have.
	The soul is constantly trying to find pleasure and avoid pain.
	This sometimes comes up with why people choose to be gay.
	They've been in a heterosexual love.
	Yeah.
	affair with somebody that person betrays them hurts them yeah they don't get hurt like that again
	so i'll incarnate is a gay that way i won't have to i won't i won't be hurt by
	women you understand or so what they don't realize that they can be just as hurt
	by their government here by the mail
	Of course, yeah, of course.
	So, you know, you've got that kind of thing.
	Well, most of us aren't that bright.
	I mean, we think we want something and a lot of times when we, you know, you should be careful what you wish for, type of thing, I suppose.
	That's true.
	We condemn what we've become also.
	I was talking about the homophobic.
	People condemn people for something that they are.
	Through no conscious choice of their own.
	I know.
	And believe me, they're going to get a chance to experience exactly what it was like to be that kind of a person.
	I expect Jerry and Pat to be carnating out here in L.A.
	before very long.
	Who?
	Jerry and Pat.
	Oh, in L.A., huh?
	I'm sure.
	Or the Haight-Ashbury District.
	There absolutely is what's called karma.
	Oh sure.
	Oh yes.
	Absolutely.
	And it's very fair.
	It's very fair.
	It's not ten curses for one.
	It's curse for curse.
	Blessing for blessing.
	It's very fair.
	And that's how the universe works?
	I believe so.
	That's what I've seen.
	There are rumors that there have been Dead Sea Scrolls found.
	I wonder if you know about this at all.
	I know I'm bringing this out of left field for you, but there are rumors that some Dead Sea Scrolls carry information about reincarnation, that they've been found.
	Not necessarily made public yet, for a lot of reasons.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	I haven't heard it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
	At some point, human beings sat down and essentially voted reincarnation out of the Bible.
	That's correct.
	Is that really correct?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	It was an accepted doctrine in the early church.
	That pretty much got the Knicks put to it in 325 A.D.
	at the Council of Nicaea.
	And then it was really tacked down at the Second Council of Constantinople under Justinian.
	What do you think those debates were like?
	Pardon me?
	At the Council of Messiah.
	Council of Messiah.
	What do you think those debates were like?
	I don't know.
	I mean, you have a bunch of grown men deciding how many angels you can put on the head of a pin.
	You know, I don't think that's particularly enlightening.
	But they argued about everything, including the status of the Virgin Mary.
	That's pretty serious stuff, though.
	I mean, writing out something as serious as reincarnation.
	And the reason, the motivation for writing it out, was, in your opinion, what?
	Control.
	Control.
	Sure.
	Religion is about, it certainly is about control, isn't it?
	And if you think you're coming back, then... You're gonna be a nicer guy.
	As opposed to, you die, you go to heaven and hell, and or hell, forevermore, right?
	Burn or...
	Wing around up there among the clouds or whatever.
	I've never been to a funeral of anybody regardless of how reprehensible they were.
	I've never been to a funeral of anyone where the preacher said, and I know Charlie's burning in hell right now.
	Everybody goes to heaven.
	What do you think about that?
	While we're on the subject, do you think there is a heaven and there is a hell?
	Well, I have found no evidence of a hell.
	Period.
	Regardless of what the person did while they were alive.
	Absolutely no evidence of hell.
	If there is one, I sure don't know where it is.
	As far as heaven is concerned, that's more a state of consciousness than it is a place.
	But there does seem to be a heavenly-like place that we all go.
	And it will vary from person to person.
	Some people have these beautiful vistas of a lovely place and a whole bunch of people that they've known before.
	They encounter those people and then eventually they will move into into the light and then the next thing you know somebody's changing their diapers here on earth again.
	Well, you've got to have hell for control.
	Well, those churches are cool, aren't they?
	Yeah, you've got to have hell for control, right?
	Yeah, you scare them into church.
	But there might be good reason to be scared even if there isn't a hell because if there's a kind of karma that you're speaking about That, you know, that might be hell.
	In other words, if you're really rich and nasty and bad person and blah blah blah and you die and you reincarnate in Bangladesh, you know, in the worst possible circumstance possible, then essentially your soul went to hell.
	For all intents and purposes.
	So, hell as a metaphor may be real within the context of karma, eh?
	I haven't seen the fiery pit.
	That's never come up.
	Nobody's ever indicated at all they've ever experienced anything like that in between incarnations.
	Those who have gone there and are never coming back, of course, I would never have the opportunity to regress them anyway.
	Because they're not here to regress.
	You probably have regressed many people who are extremely unhappy and displeased with their present lives.
	All the time.
	All the time.
	Well, that's kind of a hell, it seems to me, Brian.
	Hell on earth, you know?
	Hell on earth.
	Well, I think we turned it into that.
	It used to be a paradise before we started messing with it.
	Yeah, well.
	You know, one bite of the apple and that's an old story, and I don't know how we change that.
	I don't think we do.
	Well, you know, it was a good story.
	It explained things to little kids.
	But I find that the reincarnational process seems to be rehabilitative.
	It's about restitution and rehabilitation.
	It's not about punishment.
	I've never met anyone who was punished directly for something they've done before as an act of punishment.
	Well, you just might not.
	We're just dealing with words here, though, Brian.
	You say it's not punishment, but, you know, if you were a nasty, miserable person here, or you were a killer, or God knows what, something, you know, awful, then if you reincarnate and karma gets you, that's punishment, Brian.
	You might not want to call it punishment, but it's karmic retribution.
	Punishment's as good a word as any.
	Well, it's an opportunity to learn what it's like.
	Well, that's a... I'll give you a chance to learn what not to do by doing it.
	Yeah, well that sounds new-agey and everything, but really it seems to me to be karmic punishment.
	Well, if I don't like Art Bell and I decide, okay, I don't like talk show hosts like this, so I'm going to snuff you out, right?
	Yeah.
	And I feel I have a perfect right to do that.
	I'm doing the world a favor by getting rid of Art Bell.
	Right, right.
	And I'm sure there are a few people that feel that way about you.
	You'll never know.
	One or two.
	And so, that's my intent, and I feel perfectly righteous in doing that.
	Then it shouldn't bother me too much if, 50 or 100 years from now, I'm a talk show host and somebody comes in and blows me away for exactly the same reasons I've killed you.
	It's not necessarily that you are going to come back and blow me away, but somebody else will.
	Yeah, well, okay, that's... At that level, we're aware of it.
	Okay, well, that's a hellish deal, alright.
	Sure.
	So, in a way, that is hell and that is punishment.
	Sure.
	But, you know, Pope Pius XII, who was not my favorite pope even when I was Catholic, was asked one time to define what a human being was.
	And he defined a human being as a psychosomatic unit controlled and directed by the dictates of the soul.
	And I find that's absolutely true.
	We're usually the last ones to know what our soul has decided to do.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	But invariably, if some misfortune befalls you, one of the gestures is to clutch your breath and say, oh my God, what did I ever do to deserve this?
	Now, why would we all say that?
	Because we all do.
	And I would say you did something.
	Because there's nothing out there trying to get you, you know?
	Um...
	Well, uh...
	Yeah, there's karma.
	Sure.
	There's this thing from a previous life, but it seems, you know, it does to somebody in the conscious state who's not reading their subconscious in their past lives, it seems just like, what the hell did I do to deserve this?
	Yeah, exactly right.
	Well, the answer is you did do something, but it was in a past life, which seems grossly unfair.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	From our point of view.
	I mean, we only know about our current life and our behavior and all the rest of it.
	And it also would answer why so many bad things happen to apparent good people, huh?
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Is there a graduation from all of this, Brian?
	That's another question about reincarnation.
	Do you eventually graduate and not reincarnate?
	I wish I could give you a guess on that, but I haven't bumped into it.
	It seems like as spiritual beings we are eternal.
	And we're either going to be being eternal in these fleshly costumes, or we're going to be living somewhere else in some other costume.
	But I don't believe we stop living.
	We may choose different forms, but not the succession of life as a spiritual being.
	So we start in the light, we end in the light, and in the process I use, one of the things you do is tap into the light at the very beginning.
	So you've got light at one end of the tunnel, light at the other end of the tunnel, and Meditative techniques.
	You tap into the light and become one with it there.
	So my feeling is it's very much like in the movie Cocoon, where they took off their costumes and there were light beings inside.
	Yes.
	That's us.
	We're light beings.
	We just forgot.
	All right.
	What about the critics and the skeptics who say, look, you're really off into an area that a lot of Psychiatrists have slipped up in an area where you're not really listening to people describe past lives.
	You're suggesting to them in a particularly suggestive state, sending them into their own fantasy mind, which is making up excuses for behavior in this life and laying it off on some sort of past life that they're making up Because they think they're getting regressed, and so they're just making it up, they're fantasizing the whole thing.
	How do you know that's not what's going on?
	I don't.
	But I would say, based on the people that I've dealt with, and my own past lives that I've explored, and I've explored 73 of them, I would say anybody in their right mind that's going to make up stuff like that needs some psychiatric help.
	Because they're just not the kind of lives that you're going to make up.
	If you're going to picture yourself As we'll say, maybe you're a Civil War buff, and so you come up with a past lifetime where you fought in the Battle of Shiloh, alright?
	Yes.
	I'm sure that if you're replaying that tape and you're fantasizing, you're not going to end the whole thing with you running from the enemy.
	You're going to fantasize where you're the hero and you're killing the enemy, not running for your life.
	If past lives are real, and if reincarnation is real, then at least on some occasions you should be able to prove it's real.
	And by that I mean some of the information that comes from the near or close past lives should be verifiable.
	Sure.
	And it is.
	And it is?
	Yeah.
	But that doesn't prove that the person you're regressing was the person they're talking about in the regression.
	It just proves that they know something about that former person that they would have no logical way of knowing.
	I've done that.
	I've gone to past life settings with people and we've checked it out and it's held water.
	Dr. Ian Stevenson of the University of Virginia.
	I've interviewed him.
	He came up with all kinds of spontaneously recalled past lives, usually of children, where we were coming up with With data that they would have no way of fantasizing.
	Absolutely irrefutable data, yes, I know.
	I just wanted to hit you with that question.
	So you've also done some of the same sort of investigation.
	I mean, there must be times where curiosity gets better of you and you get some detail of a recent past life that is checkable.
	Sure, sure.
	I've had people that died in the death camps.
	And they looked down and they read the tattoo, the number on their arm.
	and uh... they checked out the the uh... because of the jewish people uh... have all the names of all the people that died as they've gone and we've checked out it sure enough there's a heroism who died in the death camp and then the number was the same all the nazis were fastidious record keepers as they were alright uh... hold on brian brian jameson is here and the research that he refers to is indeed irrefutable i understand that a lot of christians uh... who believe in the traditional heaven and hell don't
	even want to hear about anything like this but there is a lot of irrefutable
	evidence out there if you're willing to look
	uh...
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	Interesting line in this song, dream lover, until then I'll go to sleep and dream again.
	I wonder if what we call our soul mates, for some of us, are so compelling, so important,
	that we go away until we can find them again.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	You see?
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That line.
	Maybe that's all about reincarnation somewhere or another.
	I don't know.
	My guest has written a book called The Search for Past Lives.
	In fact, I just took a picture, a webcam picture, of me holding that book in my hand.
	He's Brian Jameson and he'll be right back.
	The Rumble of the Night.
	Once again, here's Brian Jamieson.
	Welcome back, Brian.
	Sure thing.
	Souls, when do you believe, I mean, there's conception, and then there's nine months, and then there's a baby, and when do you believe That a soul is inculcated into a deforming human being.
	You really want to see me tied to a stake, don't you?
	Well, I don't know.
	You had me shot a while ago.
	You tied to a stake wouldn't be all that bad.
	The question is, when does a soul incarnate?
	Sure.
	That was a very crucial question with me in the early days.
	So I spent a lot of time researching it, and that research has gone on all these years.
	It's a very crucial question for a lot of Americans that are tearing each other to pieces over the question of abortion right now, so yeah.
	Well, what I've found, okay, and that's based on my sampling, we're looking at a little over 10,000 people, and well over 25,000 regressions, and what I've done is ask them, as they're making transition from body to body and jumping into new ones, at what point do you incarnate?
	And that goes with people Incarnating in this life.
	At what point did you incarnate?
	And what I've found is that I've never, ever, ever encountered anyone who incarnated prior to the end of the first trimester.
	So they wait until the first trimester is over before they incarnate at all.
	And then I've never had anybody that incarnated and stayed incarnated throughout the entire pregnancy.
	They're in, they're out, they're going around playing with all their friends, whatever.
	Dropping in for trial fittings.
	Contract doesn't seem to be.
	Really?
	In other words, a contract is not a valid operation until you get slapped on the rear end and you take that first breath.
	So incarnations begin to occur, you're saying, after the first trimester, and there can be some comings and goings during that time, and no sure bets until that moment.
	Yeah.
	The rudimentary brain is formed at the end of that trimester.
	And that's when the soul, when it's going to get involved, it'll come in then.
	Or it may wait.
	Not all of them do that.
	Some of them wait until just before delivery.
	Or some of them will come in maybe a month before delivery.
	And this is knowledge that people who are regressed have.
	Sure.
	Wow.
	There are an awful lot of problems that people experience in this lifetime.
	And yet, they go to their friendly shrink and start backtracking to find out what caused the problem, and a lot of it, a lot of the problems people are having, emotional problems, self-image problems, is traceable to the prenatal state, where their mother may have hated being pregnant, may have resented them, and the mother's I am becomes their I am.
	So what the mother thinks of herself, the attack she's placing on herself, goes right to the fetus.
	The fetus takes out as the first person.
	And you have somebody, quite often some of these little kids are born and they are just angry.
	They are not loving children.
	They don't like you.
	They push you away.
	And a lot of it has to do with what you programmed them in the prenatal state.
	They're aware of everything going on.
	And then of course you've got the karmic history between the soul and its parents, or parent.
	Sometimes we know our parents, sometimes we don't.
	Sometimes we know siblings, and sometimes we don't.
	I've had people in your line who have told me that you pick your parents.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You really do?
	Yes, absolutely.
	You pick your race, you pick your nationality, you pick the time of your birth.
	Well, if all of that is true, then Why do some of us choose to be poor and downtrodden and druggies and junkies and, you know, who would choose to be that?
	If we get to choose, then... You get what you earn.
	I hate to say this.
	Well, I know, but karma's running into free will here.
	Ba-boom.
	That's right, it does.
	And you can only make the decisions you've earned the right to make.
	So when you're talking about free will, unless you've earned the right to own that 1957 Ford Mustang, then you're not going to get that.
	You're not going to decide to get one.
	I've got you.
	So it's whatever you have earned the right to make.
	All right, what about a child born with a birth defect or mental retardation?
	You know, a child born with some horrible malady?
	Well, I mentioned a few examples of that in the book, but for instance, one guy came, he had a club foot.
	Yeah.
	And he was, you know, what's the reason for the club foot?
	Because he was born that way.
	And it turned out that in World War II, he had been a German soldier fighting on the Russian front.
	And then we have that humiliating defeat of the German Army.
	Yes.
	He was walking back, okay, and it was freezing.
	And his feet just literally froze.
	And he couldn't walk anymore and just grabbed a ditch and laid down and died.
	And to prevent that from ever happening again, come in with a club foot, they're not going to draft you.
	Well, that's true, huh?
	Yeah.
	Same thing with the guy that had a deformed hand, a horribly deformed right hand.
	He was snatched up off the streets over in London a couple hundred years ago and was forced into becoming a pickpocket.
	He was just a child.
	He was not a thief, but he was forced into becoming a pickpocket.
	And he did that until he was 18 years old under the penalty of death if he ever stopped.
	And they ended up catching him and hanging him.
	And so this time, he's got a deformed hand that you wouldn't believe, and that's a... There's no way you could turn this guy into a pickpocket in his lifetime.
	One woman died because of deliveries.
	You know, women used to just die like flies, just from the pregnancy thing.
	And this woman had given birth many, many times, over and over and over again.
	And this time, she incarnated, and she died in one horrible case.
	In this lifetime, she incarnated without a vagina, without a uterus.
	She had all the other equipment, but she didn't have a vagina or a uterus and didn't discover that missing element until she was about 17 years old and necking with her boyfriend.
	And then she discovered she didn't have some of the necessary equipment to do anything.
	She had one constructed and is very happily married now.
	This is birth control to the max.
	Same thing accounts for some gays.
	Where they've been nothing but baby makers, you know, one lifetime after another.
	So this time the incarnate is a gay, the only time a gay is going to have a child is if he chooses to.
	That's right.
	They've got to go out of their way to get pregnant.
	More and more of them are doing that.
	That's right.
	But it's a matter of choice, not something that could just happen to them accidentally.
	Alright, again, going back to the simple Questions about reincarnation.
	Do human beings and or extraterrestrials or higher life-forms always reincarnate as higher life-forms?
	Or are there species jumps?
	Have you ever regressed anybody into what seems to be the animal kingdom?
	Another species?
	One lady.
	One lady?
	Only once?
	Only one.
	And she... We couldn't establish whether it was on this planet or somewhere else.
	But she described herself as experiencing a life as what we would consider a dolphin.
	But we could never tack that down as to whether that happened here or someplace else.
	Because you get into the other realms, in other galaxies, and in my lectures I tell people, next time you watch Star Trek, take it a little more seriously.
	Because we have occupied some very strange life forms.
	We are still intelligent beings.
	This is particularly true of Aquarians, by the way.
	Almost every Aquarian I know, or have ever worked with, is having very strong influences from alien lives.
	Well, this is obviously going to be out of your direct field, but I do an awful lot of programs on ghosts, apparitions, all the rest of that.
	Would you imagine, Brian, that these manifestations could be Souls that are in between incarnations.
	Would that be a good guess?
	Very good guess.
	A lot of times you'll find souls that are just attached.
	You know, they just are attached to things, places where they live, their rose bushes, whatever.
	They don't want to leave them, so they'll just stay there.
	Then you've got other souls that will stick around, waiting until the kids are grown, you know, or that their husband or somebody finds a replacement.
	A lot of times, disincarnated souls will arrange for a replacement of themselves in their widower's life.
	They'll do a little finagling, if you will, to get these people together and to replace themselves.
	So you find that also.
	That's interesting.
	And it doesn't mean because they're out of body they're wise, or any more wise than somebody in the body.
	I think that's a mistake.
	The people make as they assume because they're talking to a disincarnate.
	The disincarnate knows more about life than they do, and that's not necessarily true.
	When I played a piece of bumper music, I thought it was interesting, Top of the Hour, Dream Lover, and at one point one line was, you know, I'll just go to sleep and wait.
	And I, you know, there are people, there is such a thing as soulmates, I know because I'm married to one.
	Sure, sure.
	Um, I had a previous marriage and, uh, it was nothing like this one.
	I mean, when I met my wife, I instantly, I instantly knew, I knew she was going to be my wife.
	I knew it.
	Just, bam, like that.
	You're lucky.
	Like a sledgehammer hitting me and I knew she was the one and she was my soulmate and is my soulmate and I wonder, You know, love is probably, maybe, the most powerful force on the planet.
	And so, I wonder, as people reincarnate, there are some who have had this soulmate experience here on Earth, and I wonder how that affects their search, you know, as they come back.
	I mean, they're looking for this person, this one soulmate of theirs, Consciously, subconsciously, any way you care to name, they're in search of that person.
	How many managed to find that person reincarnated?
	I think, well, it depends on the couple involved, but if you have an appointment to keep with somebody, there is no way you're going to miss that appointment.
	No way at all.
	I mean, you could make a lot of money writing books about how to find your soulmate, but I'll tell you, if you've got an appointment with a soul out there to meet them, You're going to meet them in Bayonne, New Jersey.
	There's free will involved here, but it's within the context of a master plan.
	In other words, you've got a sole family, if you will.
	Maybe a father, a mother, kids, a boss, school teachers, and you all decide to get back together and play this charade this time.
	For you to make your decision to go on stage with this group, they have to make the decision So it's like a Japanese board meeting.
	Everybody agrees to do this by consensus, and then they get together and act it out.
	So that's pretty well determined before you get in, but you're part of the determining process.
	Well, these are the things that drive us in life.
	Our sexuality, our love.
	You know, as a man, I make a distinction.
	There's sexuality, and there's love, and there's love and sex.
	But there's this soulmate thing, and oh my God, it's so strong that it would seem to me to be one of the major things that you would pursue from one life to another.
	And I suppose for some people, there would also be material things.
	People who, for example, you mentioned a little while ago, they're so attached to the house they have, or where they live, or their environment, that when they pass, and until they're incarnated again, they can't leave it.
	That's true.
	They don't choose to.
	Do you uncover that kind of thing in regression?
	Yeah, sure.
	When it comes up.
	It does.
	Yeah.
	When it comes up, I'll deal with it.
	I deal with anything that comes up.
	Usually they have a reason.
	There's some reason why they call me.
	There's some reason why they are willing to go through four or five hours of regression work.
	And it's usually something bothering them.
	If everything's going just wonderfully in their life, they're not going to call me.
	You know, they're just not going to do that.
	You don't call a dentist unless you... Unless you're too big.
	Oh, that's for dog-on-sure.
	So the whole idea is to go back, get back on the horse that threw you, and then be free of it, and go on and do something worthwhile with your life.
	In fact, I'm number in that.
	I usually don't call the dentist until I'm all swollen up.
	Me neither.
	Which reminds me, I've got a bad tooth.
	Oh, do you?
	Yeah.
	Sorry about that.
	And then you go in, you open your mouth, and they go, oh my God!
	Why did you consider it?
	That's right.
	Where have you been?
	Do you realize you're putting your life at risk here?
	You could have a heart attack.
	They usually tell you that kind of stuff.
	I find that we bring talents with us as well as bad garbage.
	In other words, musicians tend to drift that away again?
	They can, yeah.
	If they're not done, if they're not finished with it.
	In other words, it seems like there's no unfinished business.
	So if, you know, you have a desire to do something and you're not very good at it, one time you'll come back again and pick it up where you left off and continue until you develop it to a point where you're willing to let it go and go on to something else.
	But arts and basket weaving, painting, that kind of thing, that comes up often.
	And people are able to reclaim those talents, which I think is pretty exciting.
	Now, I don't know whether this means anything.
	It may mean nothing.
	But while, when I was a child, very young, soon as I could crawl, my life has been radio and electronics, radio and electronics, radio and electronics.
	I mean, from the time I could first begin to take apart my mom's stuff until this very moment right now, all my life dedicated Just immersed in crazy about radio.
	That's just been me.
	There was never any wondering about it.
	There was never any development.
	It just was, from the very beginning, from my earliest memories of Brian, that's all I've been all about.
	That's still all I'm all about.
	So, how come so many people don't know what they're all about?
	They're drifting.
	A lot of kids you asked today, what do you want to do?
	What do you want to be?
	Well, I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I just don't know what I want to be.
	And these kids are kids in college.
	Well, in this country you have some choices.
	In many countries you don't.
	So if your father was a blacksmith, you're going to be a blacksmith just like your grandfather and your father.
	You know, you just follow in lockstep.
	And yet some people are locked in from, you know, the moment they get the slap on the fanny.
	Yeah.
	And those are very fortunate people.
	I was looking for my space, but I believe that all of us have a something to do here.
	Okay, Brian, hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
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	Oh, I can't take another heartache.
	So you say, oh my friend, I don't know what's in.
	You say your love is qualified, but there's no call inside.
	You're the things that you do when I ask you to be nice.
	You say you've got to be... When the music plays.
	When the words are touched with sorrow.
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	Really, really, really a good book and a good interview.
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	Alright, once again, here is Brian Jamison.
	Brian, in this, and I'm going to ask you about the process of regression that you use without hypnosis, because I'm really curious about that in a moment.
	But first, in the process of going back, and taking people back, however you do it, with or without hypnosis, is there any danger?
	Negative to doing it for the person.
	Are there any dangers?
	There certainly aren't.
	There can be.
	Like what?
	This happens a lot.
	Thank God it hasn't happened to me, but it does happen where somebody will regress somebody into a fast lifetime and they'll regress them into an experience that could have been very emotionally traumatic and so the person is, you know, Very upset.
	All the emotions are alive and well.
	The fear, the hatred, or whatever.
	And the facilitator can't handle it.
	And so the facilitator says, on the count of three, you're out of there.
	Right?
	And you'll wake up and you'll feel just wonderful.
	Wrong.
	That's like downloading a virus into your hard drive.
	Yeah.
	But you brought it from the archives file into the active file.
	That's right.
	So it's very important that the individual Go ahead.
	I believe they have to go through it, but they don't have to drag it out.
	Okay, well then, isn't this something that the person who does the regressing has to advise the regressee of prior to doing it?
	Well, if they know about it.
	Possible danger, in other words?
	Well, I would think so.
	I always tell people they sign a release to that effect, that they could tap into some very uncomfortable emotions.
	But there's a belief among many people that do regressions That all you have to do is put somebody back into a situation and have them watch themselves getting hanged as a horse thief, see?
	And then that fear will go away, and I find that that doesn't... that's not true.
	In other words, you go back, you let the rope go around their neck, and you let them get hanged again, and then they release the feelings that they were having associated with that experience at the time they're having it.
	And then it goes away and it doesn't come back.
	Alright, well I always thought it was true of hypnosis that in fact, you said it a moment ago, You can tell the person, you can give them a post-hypnotic suggestion that they will, you know, they're going to come out of it, feel fine, not remember what they just went through, not have any conscious memory of it at all.
	That's true.
	And that they don't have any conscious memory.
	No, it just goes right into the subconscious.
	But it must be in a more upfront place, because you're suggesting there's... You told them bury it.
	You told them bury it, but you said Even though you told them to bury it, they might not, or it might be... And it can affect them.
	It can affect them.
	So you really don't bury it the way you say you are?
	Well, not really.
	I mean, if you're talking about getting rid of it, that's certainly not the way to do it, in my opinion.
	I mean, it's one man's opinion.
	But I find that the releasing process that I use seems to work, because people will have phobias or whatever, They'll go through, they'll do the releasing thing, and whatever the problem is, in that regard anyway, it goes away.
	Alright, well, let's talk about... I understand how this is done with hypnosis.
	How is it done, Brian, without hypnosis?
	How do you regress somebody without it?
	Well, you're using the imagination.
	You have to, to get the ball rolling, right?
	But then once that's taken care of, and you get them into the past lives, then as far as the interview goes, it's about the same, whether you're talking about hypnosis Or non-hypnotic technique.
	You know, what are you wearing?
	What are you doing?
	The thing is, you don't suggest how they're going to feel about it.
	You don't suggest how they're going to feel about what they're doing.
	Or, it's like my clients are about as suggestible as Missouri mules.
	You know, I may think it's a wonderful idea for them to get over their claustrophobia to go get trapped in a mine somewhere and die back there 150 years ago.
	And every so often a person will say, no, thank you very much.
	I'll keep my claustrophobia.
	So, they're always in a position of informed consent, making conscious choices.
	So, they're not... You're not at the mercy of the hippocampus here.
	So, you're telling me you can take somebody who is a skeptic, somebody who is, you know, goes, oh, this is foo-foo baloney, and you can sit that person down and you can take them into a past life and they don't think it's baloney by the time they're done?
	No, quite often they think it's a baloney after they're done with it.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, sure.
	I mean, during the process, somebody will be regressing to some past life and they'll say, you know, I've got to be making this all up.
	And I say, well, what are you doing?
	Well, I'm eating gruel.
	Well, how does your gruel taste?
	You know, and they say, it's horrible.
	So, you know, it's just not the kind of experiences that people would choose to fantasize.
	And at least half of the people that I regressed the first 10 years in doing this, Didn't believe in reincarnation, and didn't believe in past lives.
	Some of the trouble with all this is that people have guilt about things they've done in this life, and so when they turn to fantasy, they in effect are punishing themselves.
	Now, that could be true, couldn't it?
	Sure, it could be.
	Anything could be true.
	I mean, I'm not going to stand on a stack of Bibles and say, no, I know that all these past lives that people have come up with Are absolutely true.
	I would not say that because there's no way of proving it.
	Would those be post-Council in the Sea of Bibles?
	Maybe.
	Those would be post-Council in the Sea of Bibles?
	I'm sorry, I can't.
	Those would be after the Council.
	It was a joke.
	I'm sorry.
	Brian, give me a percentage.
	In other words, you've done this many regressions.
	Are you 50% sure that this is real?
	That reincarnation is real?
	Are you 75% sure?
	90% sure?
	I'm about 100%.
	As close to 100% as you can get.
	I'd be a fool.
	I'd be the biggest charlatan in the world if I kept regressing people into the past lives and I didn't believe in it.
	And there's not that much money involved in it, quite frankly.
	No.
	I would think that ridding people of, you know, the practical side of this, and I know that really deserves a lot more talk than we've given it, you know, the phobias and all the rest of it, that that would be a practical application that would be worth a lot of money.
	Oh yeah.
	And there are people that charge a lot of money.
	I just don't happen to be one of them.
	I didn't get in this business to make a lot of money.
	Kathy in Columbus, Ohio sends to me on computer, She says, Brian, should not insinuate that your material wealth is indicative of your soul growth status, which he has done now twice tonight.
	Well, I agree with her.
	It has nothing to do with your soul growth status.
	I mean, some of the most elevated human beings I've ever bumped into are not wealthy people.
	They're very humble people.
	Paul in Florida speaks for many when he says reincarnation is a satanic Lie, according to the Bible, and he gives the Bible quote, you know, Hebrew and blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Really?
	Yeah, Hebrews 10, 27, 28.
	You want me to read some Bible scripture?
	No, no, no, please don't.
	I mean, but he expresses the view of many Christians that, you know, that the whole thing is satanic and a lie and baloney because Christians think that you're either heaven-bound or hell-bound and, you know, That's just the way it is.
	Right.
	Some Christians believe that.
	Many?
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't say all.
	And then some believe it so fervently that they think it's a satanic lie.
	Oh, sure.
	Oh, sure.
	I mean, I've had my lectures picketed with people with bull horns and signs.
	There you go.
	Exactly that.
	Those are the folks.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes.
	I know them well.
	Okay.
	And all I can say is, you know, maybe they should become better informed.
	In your opinion, Is hypnosis, with regard to regression, does it not improve the accuracy of the rendition or improve any aspect of it?
	I mean you moved away from hypnosis and you did it very quickly years ago.
	Why?
	Because I didn't like the responsibility of making decisions for people.
	In other words, if you're going to go to the guillotine today, I'd much rather you make that decision than me make it for you.
	So, you're always coming from informed consent, so you're deciding what you're going to get into, rather than me deciding.
	That's very interesting.
	Whoever wrote from Florida really should go back to his Bible and read a little more thoroughly.
	Because there are definite indications that Jesus believed in reincarnation.
	As a matter of fact, he could not have been the Messiah if there was no such thing as reincarnation.
	And that's something most Christians are totally unaware of.
	Well, most Christians don't believe or have not been told that they will arise as did Christ.
	Right?
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But that's the whole idea of the resurrection of the dead, for one thing.
	And I was told a long time ago that Jesus said what he meant, okay, and meant what he said.
	And he told Nicodemus that he had to be born again.
	Well, Nicodemus was an old man.
	And Jesus said, you know, basically, he just answered it.
	You've got to be born again and dismiss the subject.
	Because I'm sure he felt that if you haven't gotten it by this time, fella, you're not going to get it until you come
	back.
	I have a relative, a very close relative, who has been into this for years.
	And she inevitably has told me that she has been, oh brother, you know, all kinds of famous people.
	I mean, just the odds, I mean, just, you know, queens and...
	Well, they don't come to me for regression.
	Because I don't bump onto that.
	You don't?
	You know, just hard to buy stuff.
	I mean, early on you told me that your past life, your first one you had, very boring.
	Well, an awful lot of people have really grandiose past lives and that really puts a kink in
	what...
	Well, they don't come to me for regression.
	Because I don't bump onto that.
	You don't?
	I bumped onto a couple of artists that were artists in past lives.
	One of them an inspiring artist.
	Another was an artist.
	They couldn't sell any paintings.
	But that's the closest you've come?
	That's as close to a celebrity or somebody historically prominent as you can get.
	And both of them felt their lives as artists, which right now, their paintings would be worth an awful lot of money.
	But at the time they did it, they thought they'd wasted their entire life.
	So you haven't bumped into Caesar or Cleopatra yet?
	No.
	Well, Cleopatra, yes.
	Oh, yes?
	Many years ago, back in Denver, and I asked her what her name was, and she said, Cleopatra.
	And I'm thinking, oh, sure you were, right?
	And so we go on into it, and it turns out that she was a water carrier.
	That's what she did, was carry water.
	And apparently the Egyptians named their children after celebrities, just as we do.
	She wasn't THE Cleopatra.
	No, she wasn't THE Cleopatra.
	She was just a water carrier.
	Well, you know, that's got the kind of ring of truth to it.
	So then what do you say about all these people who make these claims about being these... I mean, there's just too damn many of them.
	Well, I don't say anything about them.
	People can think whatever they want to think.
	I don't attack people on something like that.
	It's just, if that's what you need to believe, fine, you know?
	But what are you doing this week?
	That's pretty much where I'm coming from.
	By the way, do you mind if we go back to that caller from Florida?
	No, I don't.
	Just a little bit.
	He referred to Hebrews, I believe.
	And I've got it at Hebrews 9, 27, okay?
	And I think this is the one he's talking about.
	Well, he said 10, 27, 28.
	Okay, it says, and so it is appointed unto man once to be born, once to die.
	Yep, there you are.
	But after that, the judgment, right?
	Yes.
	And the New Testament is very clear that a man is born once, die once, and then be judged.
	Right.
	However, there's a little problem in that translation of this scripture from the ancient Greek, okay?
	And the word once is apax, H-A-P-A-X, in original Greek, okay?
	And this can be translated as to read also mean more than once or once again.
	So it depends on what your belief system was when you were translating the word.
	So it could mean more than once to be born, more than once to die, and then the judgment.
	I rest the case.
	Because I know that scripture has been thrown back at me many times.
	Ah, you were familiar with that.
	Oh yeah.
	Sure.
	Because that's what they cite to refudiate reincarnation.
	You know, and then you have the story of the blind man, right?
	Who was blind from birth.
	And Jesus healed him.
	You know, made a little spit and mud and put it in his eyes and he was healed.
	And one of the apostles, I don't know which one, Ask whether this man had sinned or his parents.
	And Jesus said, neither.
	It's for the glory of God that he was born this way.
	But the question itself is important because he was blind from birth.
	And being blind was considered quite a curse.
	It was like leprosy.
	And so why would the Apostle ask him where he sinned or who sinned when we're talking about a newborn baby?
	It doesn't make sense unless there's a pre-existent life.
	That make sense?
	Yes.
	That's it.
	Close the book.
	I'm still not altogether sure, though, about... You seem not to believe there is, in essence, a graduation that... I mean, most reincarnationists that I've heard say that we are striving for perfection.
	Right.
	And that when that perfection is achieved, And when the lessons are finished, and all the lessons have been learned, then something else happens.
	Okay.
	No?
	Well, see, if somebody has reached that point of all-knowing of perfection, they're not coming to me for a regression.
	Well, probably not.
	You know?
	Good point.
	I haven't bumped onto anybody that has... I've bumped onto people in the past that have had profound spiritual experiences, that were extremely holy people in their time and place, And now they're in the blood, the mud, the beer with the rest of us.
	You know, they're working with their computer just like we're working with ours.
	Huh.
	So, you know, the idea that... So, in other words, you could have been a monk in a monastery in a previous life and now you're knocking out video games for kids.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	As far as the pendulum swings one way, it swings the other.
	Really?
	So you could go St.
	Francis of Assisi in one lifetime and Attila the Hun in another and be completely happy in either role.
	Attila thought he was doing the right thing.
	Oh, I'm sure he did.
	Yeah, the villains always think they're doing the right thing.
	Yeah, and they usually do it in the name of their god, too.
	Yeah, that happens, too.
	Yeah.
	So, rich one time, poor another time, male one time, female another time.
	What's interesting is... God-fearing person one time, atheist the next time?
	Well, I bumped into atheists in past lives.
	Yeah, I bumped into atheists.
	All religions.
	Really?
	Now that's interesting.
	Have you ever taken a relatively religious person and then found them to be an atheist?
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, or not caring one way or the other.
	Not caring at all, one way or the other.
	That's very common.
	You know, the thing that, you know, this is satanic work, I don't know what is evil about living.
	I don't know how that's evil.
	Well, I don't either.
	Your views are fairly dissimilar at some very important juncture points from other people who do the kind of work you do, aren't they?
	I have no doubt.
	But see, I haven't checked their work.
	I've made it a point not to read what everybody else is saying or doing in the field.
	I wanted to go in without any preconceived notions, because I found that if you have a theory, you'll find evidence to support that theory.
	So I didn't want any of that.
	So it was cold turkey.
	If what I come up with is the same thing that Dick Sutton comes up with, and Ellen Wambach came up with, or Edith Fiore came up with, if we all come up with the same thing, then I will assume that we're either all right or all wrong.
	All right.
	I'd like to take some phone calls if you're up for it in the next hour.
	Okay, good.
	Stick around.
	We'll do exactly that.
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	I just... I don't want that influence.
	I don't... I don't want to be influenced at all by what I think and therefore what I say on the radio and what I explore on the radio.
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	My guest is Brian Jamieson, and we've been talking about a lot of aspects of reincarnation.
	Brian, if you're ready, I'd kind of like to turn you over to the audience and see what happens.
	Fine.
	Okay, here it comes.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Brian Jamieson.
	I'm Mark Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, Brian.
	This is Canem Cohen from New Jersey.
	I was just wondering if you've ever had any Have you regressed anybody who had a life as a Hindu?
	Hinduism is that, actually that reincarnating over and over again is called samsara, which
	is kind of like a miserable process in which we keep being born and dying again.
	So in Hinduism the process is to get free from that and return to the spiritual world,
	which is our true home.
	Right.
	Have you regressed anybody who had a life as a Hindu?
	Yes, I have.
	And they're a little amazed.
	They're amazed?
	That they're back here.
	I find the Hindu concept, at least my understanding of it, I haven't seen a lot to back that up.
	Not in my work anyway.
	But yes, I forget people that were Hindus in past lives.
	I forget the few people that were Hindus in this lifetime.
	Well, the Hindus wouldn't be the only ones with a shocked expression on their face, right?
	There are a lot of Christians.
	For sure.
	There was one poor woman.
	She was about 400 years ago.
	She was a novitiate.
	She was in a convent.
	A very humble, very devout young woman.
	Some of those places were real hell holes, really.
	They were into malnutrition and everything else.
	She snuck a little fragment of bread in her garb and took it back to her room and ate It was just overwhelmed with guilt, right?
	And within a very short period of time, she ended up with what amounted to pneumonia, and ended up dying alone.
	There was no priest there to give her last rites, and she was completely convinced that she was going to go to hell, because she had sinned.
	She had stolen this piece of bread.
	And of course, she didn't end up going to hell.
	She ended up in Southern California.
	Well, maybe she did.
	You know, this guilt had been bothering her all of her life, and it's just totally misplaced.
	So I bump onto that a lot, where people are feeling guilty about things they have absolutely no business feeling guilty about.
	And yet if you feel guilty about something, then you'll find ways to punish yourself for that, and it's usually needless.
	So, you know, I'm a big one for letting go of the guilt.
	So in a way, we're forced to judge ourselves.
	Of course.
	That's the only judge there is, as far as I'm concerned.
	Well, that's controversial.
	We did a step over the line, didn't we?
	Yeah, of course we did.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Brian Jamison.
	Hello.
	Hello, how you doing?
	Fine.
	Wow, your guest is holed up really good.
	You're playing devil's advocate really good tonight, Art.
	Uh-huh, thank you.
	Because I know you always talk about, you always wonder about, He's thinking, geez, his reincarnation, you know, you swing towards that a little bit yourself.
	But anyway, I was sort of wondering, this is something that happened to me a little while back.
	My friend, he had a cat, and I've known him for years, and the cat used to stare at the fish tank for years.
	It just sit up in a certain spot and stare at the fish tank and watch the fish all the time.
	It got old after a while and it passed away, right?
	And they got rid of the fish.
	And then my friend, he got a new cat, and it would sit in the same spot, stare at an area where the fish tank was for hours on end.
	And I told him, I said, look at that.
	There's nothing there.
	It's staring just like the other cat.
	And I was wondering, does this pass on to our pet?
	Do animals reincarnate?
	Because that was really eerie, because the cat did it all the time.
	Oh, that's a great story.
	I haven't found any evidence of animals reincarnating as human.
	But I'll bump onto people who have had the same cat, or the same entity as a cat.
	For thousands of years, or dogs, or whatever, yeah.
	Yeah, they seem to do the same exact things, have the same little traits, and they never even knew each other.
	It's just that we got a stray cat, another one stray cat, but it stared at the same spot where the fish tank was, and it was no longer there.
	And there's no reason for the cat to sit there all the time staring at one spot.
	No, animals, from what I've seen, animals do reincarnate, but they don't come back as human.
	Oh, that's remarkable.
	Alright, thank you very much for the story about staring at the same spot.
	That's incredible.
	I, you know, my wife and I are cat people.
	We have four cats, and we are of the view that they, well, that's a whole other show, but anyway, I just think that that's true, that these animals do come back, and they do find you the way soulmates find each other.
	Somehow, they find you.
	Yeah, no question about that.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brian Jameson.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hello, Ward.
	How are you doing?
	Okay, Brian.
	Brian?
	Yes?
	You made mention of walk-ins, you know?
	Of what?
	Of walk-ins.
	Yes.
	And I am such a person, and I've been troubled by that for years, and I've often wanted to go to someone to regret, but I don't believe in them.
	Most of them are fakes, the way I see it.
	Uh, what, what's your feelings on, on that?
	Uh, me saying I'm a walk-in, I should, I would want to go to someone to verify that I am who I am.
	Well, I'm one.
	Oh, are you really?
	Yeah.
	Well, that's good.
	Uh, I'm Elijah.
	Yeah, I know, that's the man.
	Jesus has got to be right behind you here.
	Pardon?
	Though I say, you know, we're waiting for Jesus to return, but first Elijah must come, you see.
	Yeah.
	So if you're Elijah, I think we better all start looking up.
	Well, yeah, but, you know.
	No, that's more common.
	That experience is much more common than you might think.
	Well, you know, there you are.
	There's a case of, you know, I'm Elijah.
	I was Elijah.
	I'm a walk-in.
	There's some kind of line, and I'm not saying that that caller was mentally ill, but there are a lot of Caesars, and there are a lot of, you know, and so how do you know where that line is, Brian?
	How do you know?
	I'm as skeptical as anybody.
	And, you know, somebody came in here and said he was Jesus Christ.
	I mean, I'd be asking him a lot of questions.
	I'm very cynical when it comes to I don't know how you decide, you know, when you're listening to pure BS and when you're listening to the real thing.
	oh yeah i don't i don't need uh... to be taken in by somebody's foolishness
	uh... is going to come about and that's his fault yeah i just i don't know how you how you decide you know
	when you're when you're listening to pure bs and when you're listening to the real
	thing well i look at the after effects
	and uh...
	the emotions that come up here are just if these people are faking it they're in the wrong business
	They should all be making movies.
	Because they, you know, just an emotion will come up out of nowhere that they've never experienced before, whether it's love or whatever.
	And one thing, and this is a pretty common problem in this country, where children are almost treated like a piece of furniture.
	And there's very little bonding, because the mother has to go back to work.
	And so you've got kids coming up now that are in their 20s and 30s and 40s, And there was no bonding.
	There was no bonding.
	And so they're always, they're just a candidate for a codependent relationship because they're looking for somebody to love them, to accept them, to treat them in a bonding way.
	And so they can have that sense of belonging.
	And what we've done, what I found out is possible to do, is to go back into a past life where they were bonded, where they were loved, and it's usually some third world country that we end up going to where the child is with the mother for the first three years of its life and she's stroking it and talking to it all the time and loving it.
	Your view of reincarnation is so interesting.
	I mean, you're saying, in essence, you could have been Hitler in one lifetime and the Pope in the next.
	so it's like uh... like doing a component swap on your computer
	Sure.
	so just skip over whatever you could like to give this lifetime and bring
	those feelings of love and tenderness into the present year your view of reincarnation is so
	interesting i mean you're saying in essence
	you could have been uh... hitler in one lifetime and the pope in the next year
	as unlikely as that combination of the that that that's the extreme but that's sort of what you're
	saying That's right.
	And that would seem such a nonsensical, at least from our perspective, a nonsensical, endless loop of contrary existences.
	Well, that's what I've been looking for for thirty-three years, is some consistent patterns, and there are a few, but there's just as much mystery there as there was thirty-two years ago.
	I mean, for every answer I get, there are ten more questions.
	I appreciate your honesty.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brian Jameson.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Oh, that darn sticky button.
	West of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, gentlemen.
	How are you?
	Okay.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Alturas, California.
	Okay.
	I have a couple of questions.
	If we do reincarnate, why do we not, or I haven't heard this anyway tonight, why do we not bring the wisdom and experience from past lives into the life that we're living now?
	I mean, basic human nature is that you try and improve yourself, you learn from your mistakes, you know, not to make them again.
	If we are reincarnated and have problems in the past, why do we have problems now?
	Well, I see the whole human experience.
	I don't mean to make light of it, but I see the whole human experience as B-grade melodrama, quite frankly.
	We play these various roles, and one time you're the villain, next time you're the hero, next time you're a member, and you're always a member of the audience.
	So, you get into these little charades that we go through, and we have to take them seriously.
	Otherwise, why would we keep doing it?
	And I find that emotion seems to be one of the big things here.
	We get into emotion here, whereas we don't do it quite the same way elsewhere.
	So when you talk about past life wisdom, how many wise people do you know of in body right now?
	I mean, the human race has not necessarily been known for its wisdom.
	So if you were never wise, you didn't have much to bring with you.
	Your views are really interesting.
	It would be nice if we could learn from our mistakes.
	Some people seem to be unable to do that.
	Well, even most.
	Yeah, and so they get a chance to repeat their mistakes over and over and over again.
	Would it be your view then that past life regression is the only way to progress and learn from those mistakes?
	Otherwise, you repeat them endlessly again and again.
	I don't know of any other way.
	Now maybe somebody knows another way to do it.
	I don't know of another way to become aware of what you've done before that's setting up conditions now.
	I just don't know of any other way to do that.
	If somebody can come up with a better way to do it, I'd be glad to try.
	And people are shocked.
	I mean, they get into these past lives where they are playing roles of people that they would detest being now.
	People they would avoid being now.
	And they find that there they were exactly like that person they detest now.
	And so they learn a little bit.
	They learn to be a little kinder and gentler with themselves instead of condemning everything.
	So there is something gained, I suppose, through that process.
	But does that make the person wise?
	I don't know.
	I don't find that we're learning an awful lot.
	When you get right down to it, theoretically, in the beginning we were one step removed from primates and we used our stone clubs on each other and did a lot of raping and pillaging and were absolutely thoughtless about the effect of our actions on other people.
	And then slowly through the centuries, we are supposed to evolve into Buddha consciousness or Christ consciousness, and then we don't have to come back here anymore.
	That's the belief.
	But I found people back in the caves that are a hell of a lot more spiritually advanced than people out of a monastery today.
	In those days, you needed each other and you respected life more.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Brian Jamison.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	Hi there, Bill.
	And I guess Mr. Jamison.
	I wish to compliment you on your soulmate opinion that you had with your wife.
	I think that's very accurate.
	In my case, sir, it's not an opinion.
	It's an absolute belief.
	Well, I agree with you.
	I'm disagreeing with you.
	And if I could talk to Mr. Jameson for a moment.
	I'm wondering if he has thought about one thing.
	Instead of reincarnation as one life after another, another with a linear type thing.
	What about if it's all at once?
	You know, Seth was the one that came up with that.
	Jane Roberts was the first one to advance that idea.
	And yet, when Seth was speaking from an earthly point of view, he referred to his own past lives.
	Yes, he did.
	Like, when he got into our consciousness and this reality, he referred to past lives.
	Correct.
	So, I don't accept the idea that they're all happening at once.
	Okay.
	Well, just an idea.
	I just asked you.
	No, it's a valid concern and a worthwhile point to look at.
	But I don't find it.
	All right.
	What about the possibility that souls, in essence, split or can occupy two physical bodies at the same time?
	Some people think that.
	That happens.
	It does?
	Yes.
	Yeah, there was one fellow that I regressed in Denver many years ago that held a... Excuse me just a second.
	Yeah, no, it's a long show, I know.
	Oh, no, that's fine.
	But he held a very high security clearance for a job with the United States government.
	And so we regressed him, and that was one of the things we were looking at.
	Is there anybody else that is tied in here?
	And we found out that he had a counterpart, or like a soul brother, if you will, that held an equally high security clearance in his job in East Germany.
	So we've got a U.S.
	top security clearance and a East German with a high security clearance, and they're both coming off the same oversell, or oversell.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So, and I've also bumped onto people that have counterpart selves living lives not in this galaxy.
	So it's, there's some people that just, they are, they are, they are one of many manifestations of one soul.
	That's remarkable, and it answers so many questions if it's true.
	All right, hold tight.
	We'll be right back.
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	Brian, I want to understand this walk-in thing just maybe a little bit better.
	I think I heard you... Did you say that this means that you just virtually, instantly Reincarnate.
	You die and then you pick a new... Well, this one woman that I referred to did.
	But in my case it was, and it's pretty common, there was a severe trauma and the soul that was in here before, okay, had done whatever it was going to do and was going to leave.
	And there was an agreement made at soul level between the soul that I am now and the soul that used to be in this body.
	Where it was a good body, why waste it?
	And so we just switched.
	It was like changing drivers on a trip.
	So I inherited all the garbage incurred in this lifetime by this particular entity.
	So all of that, it was like buying somebody's used computer, you know?
	So the question was then to go in and debug it, clean it up, so you could use it again.
	So that's basically what happens.
	Actually, best in that case, just to format the drive, Brian.
	Probably so.
	Listen, I would think that one of the main things that would be freshest in any prior life, and certainly A death.
	You know, there were, what is it, birth and death and marriage and children and there are certain real high point spikes in a person's life and the last big spike would have been their death and so that would be probably right up front when you begin to explore a person's past life.
	I mean, you're starting with when it ended, aren't you?
	No.
	No?
	No, no.
	What I found is that No, I just jump over that.
	We go before the death.
	And quite frankly, the death is usually not the big deal.
	About 80% of the people I've worked with, their death was caused by just being worn out.
	They were ready to go.
	They were tired, they'd done whatever they came here to do, and they were out of here.
	There was no longer a reason for them to stay in the body.
	And so, death is not necessarily a big traumatic event.
	There are those cases where it is.
	I mean, getting beheaded, that's going to leave an impression on you.
	We don't pick it up at that point.
	You go back before the trauma, and then come into it from the other side.
	Before all the defenses were there and all that, and deal with it at that level.
	But that trauma could still be the source of a lot of trouble in the present life, yes?
	Yeah, sure.
	All right, here we go again.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Brian Jamison.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	It's wonderful show you have tonight.
	I have been a believer of reincarnation since I was 10 years old, and I'm now over 70.
	I wondered if you and your guest have ever read the book by Taylor Caldwell called, In Search of the Soul?
	Oh, yes.
	I haven't.
	It's a wonderful book.
	And in it, she mentions that at a stillborn birth, that there was no soul to come into the child at that time.
	And that could explain a lot of it.
	And I've been regressed.
	And believe it or not, I was married to my husband that I have now.
	Previous life.
	And our pattern of life follows through with what we did.
	That surely doesn't surprise me, Brian.
	Bill, in Defiance, Ohio, fast blessed me the following question.
	Could you please ask Brian why so many people commit suicide or want to if they, in effect, choose, you know, choose this life?
	Well, that's one more experience.
	What I find with reincarnation is we learn what not to do by doing it.
	It's a process of elimination.
	So when you find out that in a past life you committed suicide, and here you are, that would kind of discourage somebody from committing suicide.
	But here again, it's an experience.
	It's like any other experience.
	I've never bumped onto anyone who committed suicide that was happy about their choice after they made it.
	That's interesting.
	Because, invariably, the circumstances were not what they thought they were.
	Like, one lady committed suicide because it was over the Middle East many, many hundreds of years ago, and she was a beautiful woman, and there were certain enemies attacking their camp, and rather than be ravaged by the enemies, she decided to kill herself, which she did.
	And then, once she's out of the body, then it turns out her people won, and she was in no danger at all.
	And so, in this lifetime, she incarnated as less than attractive, That's putting it very mildly, because she felt that the reason she had to commit suicide then was because of her beauty.
	So this time, she resembled a mud fence in many respects, and this was a protective device against having to do that again.
	That's amazing.
	See, to me, at soul level, it's all suicide.
	I mean, a coronary, whatever it is you're creating, cancer, whatever it is at soul level, it's going to take to write you out of the script.
	When the time comes, that's what you're going to create.
	So, it's not consciously committing suicide, but at another level, the soul has decided to terminate this existence.
	All right, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Brian Jamison.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Brian.
	Fascinating show.
	Thank you.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Detroit.
	My name's Richard.
	Okay.
	Richard, for the past three years, I have been going through past life therapy.
	For how long?
	The past three years, and you're a guest on the show.
	He does it without hypnosis.
	Some psychiatrists do it with hypnosis.
	I'm going through a person who I respect very much.
	She's a medium, very psychic, and we do this through the spirit guides.
	You've had people on your show, guests on your show just recently.
	We've got at least two spirit guides.
	And the Spirit Guides know all our, everything about us.
	Okay.
	And I know of at least approximately 18 and 19 of my past lives.
	And I could just say that everything I know of past lives, and I've been through this extensively the last three years, that I can verify what your guest is saying.
	You know, what I'm curious about, Colin, why do you want to know about your past lives?
	Okay, this has nothing to do with having a thrill about knowing about a past life.
	It's a healing.
	Just like your guest said, it's about a healing, and every lifetime there's an issue there.
	For me, in this lifetime, it comes up as emotional problems.
	It could be depression, anxiety that you're experiencing, and these things, the way I would put it, it's like these unresolved conflicts that went unresolved in past life, this energy.
	And you're experiencing these things in this life.
	Okay, so has all this helped you?
	Oh, yes.
	Very much so.
	It's like peeling an onion.
	Every time I go, there's just something.
	I can't tell you.
	As a matter of fact, I just went this morning to a session and another life, another issue came up.
	It's just incredible the healing power it has done for me.
	No, that's why I go at the healing, is not to go to find out.
	No, actually, Caller and Brian, I should be telling the audience that, you know, we've ignored, I'm so fascinated, I guess, with the mechanics of reincarnation, that we've largely ignored the healing aspects of it, and that's the primary The true primary reason you go back and you do this and look at past lives is for healing in this life, yes?
	That's what I would say would be the reason.
	I'm amazed that you're still working on three years, though.
	How long do you... What is typical, or is there a typical... How long do you work with a patient before you feel like... Not a patient, a client.
	Okay, a client.
	And I very seldom see anybody twice for the reason I came in.
	Really?
	They may come back for another reason a year or so from now, but not for the reason they came in.
	So, you know, that automatically brands me as a quack.
	You know, if you could deal with an issue one time and then it's gone.
	Well, either that or it brands the person holding on to that fellow for three years.
	I don't know.
	Well, I don't know any problem that would take three years to get to the bottom of.
	I really don't.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on there with Brian Jamison.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Brian.
	This is Lee from Disconnected in New York.
	Brian, I was curious to know if in the 10,000 people or so that you said that you regressed.
	25,000.
	Oh, 25,000.
	No, 10,000 people.
	25,000 past lives.
	I was paying attention, Art.
	You obviously were, yes.
	I was curious to know if you ever ran into yourself in a former life, but it was somebody else.
	That you were regressing.
	You had one in the same.
	I've bumped onto people who knew me in a past life.
	But never had the same past life?
	The same person?
	You were the same exact person?
	Just curious.
	Well, no, I mean a different person in all my life.
	A different person.
	A different priority.
	Yeah, what he's saying is he never directly ran into himself regressing somebody else, but he ran into people that knew him.
	Yeah.
	So are you saying, in essence, then, that we all have We'll never run into ourselves.
	No, I won't say that because, as far as I'm concerned, the book is still open and a lot of research has to be done.
	I mean, theoretically, theoretically, if we go back far enough, we should have some kind of a common ancestry.
	Will we go back far enough?
	So, theoretically, you could run into yourself.
	It's just, what are the odds?
	Well, I don't know how you would calculate them.
	That never came up.
	This question has never come up before.
	It's an interesting one, though.
	And it could happen.
	Yes, it could.
	If you understood enough about all of your previous lives, or not all of them, I don't know.
	Can you get to all of them?
	Do you ever get to all of them?
	I don't know why anybody would want to.
	I really don't.
	See, I look at our past lives like a Visa MasterCard system, you know?
	Some of those things you paid off, they're not affecting your monthly balance, you know?
	You squared that away, that's done.
	And you're on to charging new material.
	So I look at the current balance, and that's what I'm attempting to help people resolve, is what's going on with their current life.
	And we can clean the slate, as far as this lifetime is concerned, and they reincarnate.
	Well, only from a pure research point of view.
	In other words, let's ask this.
	How far back can you go?
	What is the farthest back you've ever taken anybody?
	To what was described as before time.
	To what was described as before time.
	Before time?
	Before time.
	Before time?
	Yeah, before time.
	See, I mean, time being the fourth dimension, okay?
	Yes.
	Before time.
	So they're going back to the very essence of their being before they ever started incarnating.
	So we've gone back that far.
	Is that before the Big Bang?
	Before creation?
	I don't know.
	I can't answer that question.
	I don't know.
	Before there was light?
	Well, I'm not sure there was such a thing as before life.
	No, no, light.
	I said before light.
	As in, let there be light.
	In other words, the moment of either the Big Bang or creation or whatever it is that happened that began time.
	In other words, the previous two Two objects to measure distance or velocity against each other.
	Before there was things, there was not time.
	Right.
	Could not have been time.
	So, that's when time began.
	And you're saying you've taken people back before that.
	When they were nothing but light.
	In other words, they were light.
	That's what they described themselves as being.
	And in that state, they described themselves as knowing everything, being totally aware of everything, and yet knowing nothing.
	Which is really kind of interesting.
	They knew everything and knew nothing.
	They were pure energy, intelligent energy.
	Gotcha.
	Fascinating.
	There's a belief that the more times you incarnate, the more enlightened you can become.
	You know, you go somewhere and somebody looks at you and says, Oh my God, you're an old soul.
	You know, you've been here forever.
	Yes.
	And we feel really good about that.
	You know, Oh my God, I'm an old soul.
	To me, that means you're just a little slow learner.
	You know?
	And I've bumped onto people that are highly evolved.
	I would consider them highly evolved spiritually, and they've only been embodied two or three times.
	Other people have incarnated a thousand or more times, and they're still Neanderthals.
	So the time in the flesh doesn't seem to mean that you're actually going to get better in every way.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Brian Jamison.
	Good morning.
	This conversation couldn't have been a better segue.
	So basically what you're saying is you've been through everything and had no idea what it meant.
	Yeah, actually.
	Two weeks ago, with Barbara Simpson, Sylvia Brown was on, and she made a comment that the furthest back she's been able to regress anyone was a maximum of 50 lives, including herself.
	There's a passage in the Bible that says that a man's life shall be the length of 120 years, figuring this side and that side for the reincarnation or whatever.
	So, 50 times 120 is the 6,000 that most fundamentalists believe that the world since God breathed the soul of life into man.
	Yeah, but you're missing one thing.
	If you listen carefully, Brian said earlier he's documented thousands of linear years between incarnations.
	That's sometimes.
	Okay, well, what I was getting at is just that adds up.
	Does that mean we're coming up towards the judgment time?
	Have you found anything along the line that might lead you to this?
	It's time to get out of the pool, the closing shot?
	No, not really.
	Not really.
	I mean, if we're not here, we're going to be somewhere, you know?
	If somebody wants to nuke the United States and we're all going to transcend, we'll just be back somewhere else.
	There are a lot of people with that goal lately, by the way.
	Yeah, I know.
	But, no, you're not going to, as far as being a spiritual being, you're not going to cease being.
	And, you know, Sylvia is fine.
	You know, there are a few things that I don't agree with Sylvia.
	And that may be one of them.
	But she's saying what her experience is.
	And I say, fine.
	If she can only think of 50 lifetimes that she's explored, then fine.
	That's it.
	For her.
	But I wouldn't say that was very many.
	Yeah, your take on a lot of this as a past life regressionist, your take on it is very different and very intriguing.
	And in some ways very concerning, but very different from many others that I've interviewed.
	Certainly very different.
	But concerning because there doesn't seem to be any ultimate answer in what you believe to be true.
	It seems to be an endless cycle of... Lives.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Of lives.
	What's wrong with that?
	Well, I'm not sure there's anything wrong.
	If you're enjoying it, if you're doing what you're meant to be doing, you're going to enjoy being here.
	You wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
	So, you know, I think that's good.
	But everybody looks for a beginning and an end.
	That's right.
	And you're sort of telling us there's not really an end.
	Well, that's based on my experience.
	I don't know that there's an end.
	See?
	Based on my experience.
	And to me, it doesn't matter one way or the other.
	What's important is what you do with this lifetime, because that's going to determine what you're going to do with your other lifetimes.
	So my thought is, you know, get with the program, do something productive, enjoy yourself, be creative, surrender to God's will in your life, and be happy.
	This is all good advice anyway.
	Your book, The Search for Past Lives, how long has this been out, Brian?
	That's been out about three weeks now.
	Oh, all in three weeks?
	Yeah, three or four weeks.
	I've been saying it's available on Amazon.com.
	Is it yet?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, they're selling it, and it's available through my website.
	All right, and we've got a link to that, of course.
	How much is your book?
	$15.95.
	Yeah, it's a pretty good-sized book, too.
	Yeah, it's a real book.
	How long did it take you to write this?
	33 years.
	33 years.
	341 pages.
	Big book.
	Yeah.
	Written so the average person can understand it?
	I think so.
	Very important.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people are sort of going to dive into this and are going to be intrigued enough by this program to go and get your book, and so they'll be able to digest what you wrote.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	I wrote it to a 12-year-old.
	Because my assumption is if that 12-year-old understands it, anybody can.
	I don't use any big words.
	Gosh, what a pleasure it has been to have you on the air.
	Your views are interesting and extremely different.
	And we're going to have you back.
	Thank you, Brian.
	I appreciate the opportunity.
	Good night, my friend.
	Thank you.
	That's Brian Jamison.
	And those were some very different views.
	Tomorrow night, we're going to hop into something very different as well.
	A fire chief who went down With the World Trade Center buildings.
	Actually went down with the buildings.
	You've never heard anything like it.
	Coming up tomorrow night, from the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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