Art Bell’s open-line episode dives into spontaneous human invisibility—cases like Vera in Ventura, Jean at Clinton/Bush inaugurations, and Mark, a 1991 DSRV crew member who recovered a mud-buried triangular craft off Scotland emitting unknown radiation. Callers describe mirror anomalies (Sandy’s frozen reflection, Trace’s past-life visions), shadow-based invisibility (a Maui Airport incident), and time-stopping episodes tied to hypnosis or interdimensional "doors." Donna Higbee’s research on free electron clouds and EVP links these phenomena to abductions, suggesting nighttime may heighten such experiences. The episode hints at deeper conspiracies—government cover-ups, alien tech, and reality-warping entities—raising unsettling questions about perception and unseen forces. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great Americans, whatever time it may be where you are, anywhere in the world, which is where we covered with this radio program, is underworld of all the time zones.
great to be here.
I'm Art Bell.
It is a Friday night, Saturday morning, and that means I'm I don't know what that means.
We're going to have open lines.
I've got a couple of ideas packed away.
But basically, coming up with open lines.
Anybody out there know anything about spontaneous human invisibility?
Invisibility?
That's a subject I want to sort of fool around with tonight a little bit.
Let's look quickly at the news, such as it is.
With Israel's approval, the Security Council unanimously adopted a U.S. resolution Friday night, welcoming a dispatch of the UN team to find out what happened in the Jenin refugee camp during a battle that Israel says basically is what happened.
You know, there was a crossfire in the battle.
But they will go and look.
The FBI has publicly warned more than 1,200 banks in the Northeast on Friday of possible terrorist attacks.
The unconfirmed information that led to the dramatic alert came in part from Abu Zubdaya, the highest-ranking al-Qaeda terrorist in U.S. custody.
Authorities cautioned they had no information about any specific threat, but a U.S. law enforcement source said authorities feared a suicide attack.
Well, that sure figures, it figures that what's happening to Israel will eventually begin to occur here.
The engineer of a deadly Amtrak crash told investigators that he threw on the emergency brakes just before that train derailed because he saw misaligned tracks ahead.
Now, that's interesting because they had just passed over the area in an inspection run without any trouble.
So there is a real mystery here.
It's like the tracks separated within virtually minutes.
Gee, what could have done that?
Human action, I suppose.
Facing accusations that he protected priests who molested children, Bishop John McCormick has now stepped down as head of the committee developing the Roman Catholic Church's national response to the sex abuse crisis.
And then there was this fellow, the pharmacist who admitted watering down, this is incredible, watering down the drugs of 34 cancer victims, has now acknowledged he diluted dozens of drugs over the past decade, possibly affecting 4,200 patients.
Wow.
The U.S. Attorney's Office acknowledged it could not conclusively confirm the claim, but it could certainly impact thousands and thousands of people.
Now, you remember yesterday the story was the Milan plane crash was trouble.
I mean, it was engine trouble or, you know, something like that, right?
But in fact, the pilot whose plane crashed into Milan's tallest building, killing himself and two women, was a failed businessman who wanted to end his life.
Now, that's according to his son.
And this is in a foreign, it's in an Italian newspaper.
The paper identified the pilot as Luigi Fasullo, who made a fortune in the airplane business, then lost all of it after becoming a self-styled investor.
He was reported variously as 65 to 67 years old, said to live in Prigozna, a suburb of Lugano, Switzerland, not far from where that flight originated, but he was apparently suicidal, according to his own son.
So while it may not have been a terrorist action, it doesn't very much at this point look like engine trouble either.
In a moment, I'm going to come back, and when I do, I'm going to tell you some pretty interesting stories about something you may never heard of, or maybe you know a whole lot about it, and I've got a feeling that you do.
Collectively, of course, we reach at this time of night millions and millions and millions of people.
So some of you may know something about spontaneous human invisibility.
Anyway, I have a few stories and a potential guest.
What you're about to hear came to me on the internet from Donna Higbee.
Donna Higbee is doing an investigation into something that I've been curious about my entire life.
A spontaneous human invisibility.
She says, and we're going to try and find Donna Higbee, thank you very much, because she sounds like she'd be a very good guest.
In the summer of 1994, she says, I became aware of a very strange phenomenon, human spontaneous involuntary invisibility, which was apparently happening to people in the U.S. When I checked with other researchers,
I discovered that a number of them had also heard of such cases, so I decided to Place an inquiry letter in several well-known journals asking other researchers and the general public if they'd had any experiences of this nature that they'd like to share with me.
Besides, the publication of my inquiry letter, my inquiry, was placed on several internet bulletin boards, and the letters began pouring in, giving me a broader picture of this phenomenon.
And I'd like to share a few of the stories with you.
My inquiry letter told the story of Vera in Ventura, California, who tried to get assistance in a post office.
Can you imagine this only to be completely ignored by other customers and the postal clerk?
Now, I've kept in touch with Vera, and she has had other apparent invisibility experiences in stores and other public places.
Sheila in Roanoke, Texas, continues to have invisibility experiences, some of which have occurred in restaurants and at the airport.
Glenda in Fort Worth, Texas, has had these experiences occur in a cafeteria and a movie theater.
Most of the cases that I have researched have been in the U.S., although I do know of cases in England, Europe, Australia, Puerto Rico, and Brazil.
Now, I think she's on to something here, folks, because if somebody, even yourself, were to become invisible, there'd be no story to tell other than yours, would there?
How do we know that people on occasion do not spontaneously become virtually invisible?
Actually invisible?
She goes on, in every case that I've heard of or personally researched, the person is physically still present, although simply unable to be seen or heard.
From the point of view of the invisible person, the world looks normal and they've got no idea that they can't be seen or heard by people around them.
I'll address how this might occur a little further along in the article, but first, I want to give you a few examples below.
The quotes are directly from the experiencers to me.
Jean in Tucson, Arizona, wrote me of her experiences.
She's had them occur in the library where she attempted to check out books and in clothing stores.
The following is a quote from her letter showing the humor with which she deals with these occurrences.
I've had this happen in stores, in restaurants, many places.
I remember joking to a friend of mine one time that I felt like I could walk into a bank, help myself to a pile of bills, and nobody would ever see me because I was invisible.
There is no physical reason why I should be.
In fact, I'm taller than average for my sex and age group.
I'm 55 years old and 5'9, referred to as good-looking, and I've always worn my hair red.
You wouldn't think a tall woman with red hair, high heels, in a purple dress and dangle earrings would be invisible, would you?
No, Gene, I sure wouldn't.
Or perhaps the story from a 37-year-old man, Peter, in England, who was at a private party in 1987, walked, get this, upstairs to use the bathroom and was followed by a woman, you know, who also wanted to use the bathroom.
Well, the woman motioned for him to go first.
She stood outside the door to wait her turn.
So Peter used the bathroom, opened the door, walked out into the hallway, closing the door behind him.
He went on down the stairs and walked over to some friends and started talking to them.
He thought they were playing a joke on him, so he walked away and found his girlfriend and asked her for a cigarette.
She, too, acted like she didn't see or hear him.
Now, now Peter's getting angry and thought the joke had gone too far.
So he decided to walk back upstairs and catch the woman coming out of the bathroom and ask her for a cigarette.
He says, I walk back up the stairs, and upon reaching the bathroom landing, I came across the girl again, who was standing outside the bathroom door, clearly still waiting for me to come out.
When she saw me, her face dropped in surprise, for clearly she thought I was still in the bathroom.
Peter returned to the party downstairs, and then all of a sudden, everything was normal again.
He was able to be seen and heard normally.
When he questioned his friends and his girlfriend as to why they had ignored him, all swore they had never seen nor heard him.
Obviously, the woman upstairs had not seen him come out of the bathroom and go downstairs.
Now comes the case of Melanie in Ventura, California, who became invisible while sitting on her own living room sofa and staring at the wall, lost in her own thoughts.
Her husband was walking around the house looking for her, couldn't see her sitting there just several feet away from where he was walking.
Now this lasted for about 10 minutes.
Then, suddenly, she was visible again.
Her husband was quite upset with her and thought she'd been hiding from him.
She assured him that she had been sitting there all along, but to this day, he doesn't believe her.
Or how about Janice in Minneapolis, Minnesota, who's had a number of invisibility experiences throughout her life.
One reported here lasted longer than usual.
As a teenager, she fell in with a group of friends who decided to see if they could actually steal something from a department store and not get caught.
Well, as luck would have it, the entire group was caught and taken into custody, including Janice.
They were taken to the police station and one by one they were questioned, all that is, except Janice.
Although she was standing right there, no one paid the slightest attention to her.
Not the police, the guards, or the office personnel.
She finally, Finally, just got up and walked out of the police station without ever being questioned or anyone attempting to stop her.
When she later talked with her friends about what happened at the police station, they didn't recall me being taken into custody at the department store.
Yet I rode in the police car with everyone else, and they thought I was still at the store.
No one had seen her from the moment the police had arrived on the scene in the store until sometime after she had walked out of the police station unhindered.
What is happening?
Why is this occurring?
How?
We don't have any answers for these questions yet, but in trying to learn more about invisibility, I came across some information that I wanted to share with you.
And she goes on, she begins to do some research on all of this, and I've got quite a bit on that.
So I guess my first question to you is, is this woman really on to something?
Is this another one of those events that appears to be occurring right now that we have no explanation for?
So I'm wondering, we're going to do several things actually here tonight.
We're going to do something on mirrors.
I had a call, as you know, earlier in the week, a fascinating call, with regard to experiences with a mirror.
Now, there are several researchers doing work right now on communication with the dead with the use of a mirror in a very special room.
And having a significant amount of success with that.
So there's something going on with mirrors, and so tonight, obviously, I would like to ask you about a couple of things right away.
One would be the question about a mirror, whether you had any unusual experience with a mirror.
And the other, of course, regarding human invisibility.
And then I've got a third.
The third is the following.
I thought it was a pretty good idea.
Gary and Berkeley sends it.
Art, in light of your interview this week with Red Elk, I'd like to suggest a topic for tonight's open lines.
Along with the mirror topic that you intend to do, I've heard, my idea is to invite anyone to call in who's spent time in the underworlds, caves, tunnels, caverns, and has seen things and heard things in there, found things in there, things outside the norm, beings, tracks, noises.
I think you might get some interesting responses, and so, oh, I'm open for that.
Believe me, I'm open for that.
So if anybody has any underground experience, I mean, we hear from people like Red Elk and others that there may be levels of worlds below ours, below the surface, worlds that we don't have the slightest sense about.
Pretty interesting stuff.
Anybody have any clues?
Anybody been in a mine or a very, very deep hole and found anything or heard anything that you cannot or could not at the time explain?
So that's plenty, I think, of grist for the mill.
Let's go all the way to Chicago and say hello to Sandy.
You know, after that, they could have called it the world's largest station because it just about is.
Anyway, tell me your story, your experience with the mirror, Sandy.
unidentified
Well, I was talking to my friend one day, and I was just telling an experience I had.
I was in the bathroom one day, and just, you know, kind of washing up and everything, and just started reflecting, you know, on things, and just was trying to put some things together about what next moves I was going to make in life and financial.
All right, we're going into a break, so stay on the line.
So in other words, when he caught his image in the mirror, not reflecting as it should have properly, suddenly it's like there was a glitch and it caught up.
Oh, that's kind of cool.
What do you think happened to Sandy?
So that's Our first mirror story, that and invisibility.
I'm very interested.
Anyone with any stories out there?
We'll be right back.
unidentified
Let's go from the borderline.
Let me go.
No time when all he has been cheated.
Yeah, you live.
Yeah, I'm my seven-year-old.
It's right out of the home.
This is a madhouse.
Need my feet on.
My feet on the ground.
I'm gonna move and stop.
Where am I to go now that I've gone to fall?
Yeah, I'm my seven-year-old.
It's right out of the home.
This is a madhouse.
It's right out of the home.
My feet on the ground.
I'm gonna move and stop.
Where am I to go now that I've gone to fall?
You were young to go.
When the bullet is falling.
You were young to go.
When the bullet is falling.
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Things encountered under the ground in holes, deep holes, caves, whatever.
Be very interested.
Any cavers out there of any stories?
And of course, mirrors.
And anybody with experience, just like Sandy, what an experience with a mirror.
We're going to hear more about that in a moment.
right where you are now the more i hear from sandy the creepier i'd I mean, can you imagine looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing yourself frozen?
It's like you caught the mirror freezing you, and the moment that your mirror self realized that it wasn't mirroring you, it caught up with you, which, and it sounds like that's Yes, sir.
And as soon as you noticed that it was a frozen image, that the eyes weren't looking as your eyes were, then it suddenly, how quickly did it catch up to you?
About five years ago, I sat out on the porch and I smoked a joint, and then I went upstairs and I sat in front of the mirror, and I sat there for about two minutes.
But earlier in your life, people had no problem recognizing you there?
unidentified
Well, I can't say that I was always recognized or even acknowledged in my presence registered, but I think that as I'm getting older, I don't know if it's nondescript.
I'm British, of course, and I tend to be somewhat of a conformist, but rather eccentric nonetheless.
And I just feel that I'm becoming more and more invisible in public spaces.
In fact, the author of this article, Donna Higbee, again, I've sent this up to the network and said, let's see if we can find Donna, went and studied some manuscripts which talk about surrounding yourself with a shroud, which is described as looking like, in quotes, a cloud.
It is said that Madame Blansky of the Theophysical Society witnessed this invisibility for herself and was actually given the secret, thereafter accomplishing this for herself on several occasions and in front of witnesses.
The literature on the spiritualists in the U.S. shows there is no doubt that they too knew about the cloud and its creation.
So what is this cloud?
We are looking apparently for something that is between empty space and actual physical matter.
In between, did you hear that?
Something unseen by the naked eye, but very much in existence.
The Rosicrucian manual tells us that the first form into which spirit essence concentrates preparatory to material manifestation is electrons.
When spiritual essence gathers into very minute focal points of electrical charge due to certain conditions, we have the creation of electrons.
Science reports that such a cloud of free electrons will absorb all light entering it.
And it goes on.
Do you see now why I'm asking about this?
I think that Donna Higbee, wherever she may be, has really stumbled obviously onto something here.
Wouldn't that be fun to try if you knew the secret of the creation of the cloud?
I mean, to be invisible.
Imagine that.
Actually, of course, if it occurred spontaneously, which apparently it frequently does, there is a secret to doing it willfully, but if it occurred spontaneously, it would totally freak you out, right?
Like the people in the story.
But if you knew how to do it and you could willfully do it.
Oh my, the mischief you could do.
You see, that is the first thing I think about, right?
but just in case it wouldn't work for me i don't think i'd try it as a cop well i don't know the intentionally but when i see them So in other words, you've got to be concentrating on the thought of not being seen in order for it to work, right?
See, I told you I knew we were onto something here, or to be fair, Donna Higby is obviously onto something.
When I saw this, I thought, you know, here's a lady who at a microcosm level, compared to what I'm able to do on the air here, has stumbled, has done exactly what I have done so many times on the air, and that is stumble into something that's real and ongoing and actually common, even though totally bizarre.
I mean, Twilight Zone all the way, right?
Except it's happening, and she's stumbled straight into it, and so obviously she would make a very good guess.
Well, I don't know if she'd make a good guess.
She probably would.
She's done all the research on this.
So we'll try and find her.
But in the meantime, we would seem to be in the process of confirming her early research.
So this is, to me, this is something totally new.
Invisibility, I mean, consider the possibilities.
Oh, consider the possibilities of being invisible.
And by the way, I wasn't kidding about that story of I just crawled past that cop.
I thought, you know, sure, most cops are going to give you a five-mile per hour speed limit leeway, right?
And most cops do, but not this one.
Man, I just, I went by him so slowly, I could have reached out and held on to his, you know, his, like, the rear car door for a second and then the front car door for a few seconds.
You know, I mean, I was just barely crawling by him.
But that was it.
Minute I got out, got in the same lane, he froze on his legs, annoyed that I would dare to sneak by one mile per hour faster than he was going.
What you do, well, what they told me, you take a source of light, usually a candle because it's relaxing, and you put it off to the side and the rest of the room is dark and you look into a mirror.
And if you want to know something about past lives, you just say that out loud, that you want to learn about past lives, and then you just concentrate into the mirror.
You were in an altered state, and the second you snapped out of that altered state, boom, it was gone.
unidentified
Yes, and so I tried to concentrate again.
I started making myself relax again.
And as soon as I did this, as soon as I started to see a picture again, it's like something inside of me, not really a clear voice, but just something in my head, kind of said to me, do you really want to be shown this?
absolutely fascinating stuff we're talking about spontaneous Continuing, Donna Higbee says science reports that such a cloud of free electrons, this cloud she's talking about, will absorb all light entering it.
It will not reflect nor refract light waves, nor are light waves able to pass through a human being.
Consequently, the observer's eye sees nothing there, and the person surrounded by such a cloud is, in fact, invisible, since light is necessary for human sight.
When there are no reflected or refracted light waves bouncing off a person and hitting the observer's retina, the person is not able to be seen and is not visible under normal circumstances.
We'll be right back.
All right.
Once again, back to our caller.
And caller, you said that a voice then said to you, essentially, do you want to proceed?
Is that correct?
unidentified
Yes.
Well, first I'd like to clarify, I've never done drugs and I don't think alcohol.
Well, actually, it was more like my subconscious kind of, you know, it wasn't actually a voice, like an audible voice, just something inside of me said, are you sure you want to see this?
Uh-huh.
And immediately after I heard that, I thought, I'm not sure.
And as soon as I thought that, the candle blew out.
That when you have the camera there, if you move the camera to the left or to the right, the long tunnel of endlessly repeating images will, you'll see the curve in the tunnel.
And not only tech infinity, if you roll tape while you're doing this, play it back and capture still frames, you will see some of the most incredible imagery.
And I'm not just talking a cool-looking graphic, but I'm talking faces, entities, and anyone with a camera and a monitor can try this.
You do at that moment have a connection with infinity, and maybe that opens the door to all kinds of things, and maybe that it not only explains the mirrors, but it becomes intensified or magnified doing the kind of thing you're talking about.
unidentified
After we started doing this, me and a couple of my buddies, we started seeing UFOs, we started filming UFOs.
The other aspect of it that's so interesting is to move out from the center, either up, down, left, or right, or actually at any angle from center, you begin to bend the infinite images.
The infinite...
the whole thing, it's like a giant tunnel of images, and it bends, doesn't it?
How do you think the modern world today, now, would react to that occurrence?
I mean, if biblical prophecy began to unfold and here's this whole, and these locust things come out and begin attacking people, how do you think modern society would react to that?
They probably react the exact same way that they did back during the plagues, you know, in Pharaoh's time and all that with Moses and all that.
But the point is...
Well, maybe.
But the point is, if things are as bad as they're going to be, as it says it's going to be in the book of Revelation, I think this situation is going to be so chaotic.
You know, the locusts are just going to be one more bad thing in a whole pot of bad things.
Now, if you recall, during President Bush's inauguration, as he was walking to his presidential limousine, a gentleman came out of the crowd and handed him an item, a coin.
If the cameras were on that part of the crowd, it would be very interesting to examine it frame by frame and see if suddenly in the crowd past the lines where he should have been and all the people protecting the president, he just suddenly sort of pops into a frame.
I wonder if anybody's actually gone back and studied that.
unidentified
That's really cool.
Yeah, maybe somebody who has, they can call in and check it out.
Another thing you were talking about is the mirrors.
And in my own experiences with the mirrors, in my own house, it's haunted, and it is amazing how many times that, you know, I'll be getting ready, grooming myself, and I'll look in the mirror, and bam, isn't there somebody standing right there?
Well, it may be that this look into infinity, whether it's a mirror and a partial look into infinity, or it's something a little fancier like that man described.
Either way, it may be that you're opening a door.
unidentified
And I believe so.
I believe so.
I believe the other side does try to come back and contact us and warn us about things and tell us about things and also even pat us on the back when we're not feeling that good.
And perhaps the pathway to infinity is at least partially achieved with a mirror.
And perhaps, as he pointed out, with ever higher definition, the pathway, the tunnel, if you want to call it a tunnel to infinity, is longer and ever so much more clear.
Any way you look at it, it's an absolutely fascinating topic, isn't it?
Anybody else on this?
Good morning, I'm Arth Bell.
unidentified
I've been aware the eagle fly rode his wings about all the skies, kissed the sun and touched the moon.
But he left me much too soon.
His ladybird, he left his ladybird.
Ladybird, come on down.
I'm here waiting on the ground.
Ladybird, I'll treat you good.
Ah, Lady Bird, I wish you would.
The End Thank
you.
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mirrors Ouija boards and so forth People are biblically illiterate And will follow the antichrist thinking he is Jesus It is written in capital letters fire players this uh the the author Donna Higby of this article goes on interestingly how is this cloud created Intentionally.
It's difficult to say.
There are references to and descriptions of invisibility and its creation in the writings of secret societies, but most people don't have any access to these writings.
One could go to Indiana, I'm sorry, India, and become an apprentice of a student of an Indian guru or perhaps a teacher to learn these techniques, but that probably is not practical in modern life.
To the everyday person, the knowledge of how invisibility works is a mystery.
With that being the case, just how are people having experiences of spontaneous, involuntary invisibility?
I wish I had the answers.
We're still in the midst of our research.
Indeed, they are forming the light-absorbing free electron cloud around themselves.
They're doing it unknowingly and without knowledge of the method.
Some kind of focused mental thought process must be employed to make the cloud form around oneself.
Then, it might be that these people are doing this unconsciously.
At the start of my research, I was interested to see if there was a correlation between human invisibility and people who report having experiences with non-human entities.
It is known that invisibility is one of the components making up the abduction phenomena.
The first several people who came to me with invisibility experiences were abductees.
And I hope to show a link between abduction and human invisibility.
And it goes on.
You know, I've often said we own the night.
I mean, we are here in the nighttime hours, right?
And as it was once said that sleep is a little slice of death, it may well be that nighttime is a little slice of invisibility.
That would be a little unnerving if somebody came up with a Polaroid and snapped a picture of you and somebody else, only the space where you were supposed to be is totally empty in the photograph.
And I have a theory that some of this might have to do with time travel because I have all of my four children are all gifted in some way because we were from Irish Sears on one side and medicine people on the other side.
And my middle daughter was always a little afraid of her talents and so we didn't encourage her in anything.
And she had moved away.
She'd just gotten married and she was living in an old Victorian down in LaGrange, Illinois.
And I was kind of hesitant for her living in an old place because she really liked to, she would have liked to have gone back to the Victorian times Anyway, well, one morning I called her to see how she was doing and there was no answer and she always promptly picked up the phone.
So I was really worried, like, where could she be?
And if I was there, she probably wouldn't have been there.
But then later on, she called me and she was crying and really upset.
And I said, what's the matter, honey?
And she said, well, Mom, you know, Tom got up and went to work, and I went back to sleep.
And I heard some noises outside, so I got up and I looked out the window, and she said what I had heard was clip-clopping, like on Mackinacle and, you know, horses.
And she said, the street was full of horses and carriages, and people were dressed in the old-fashioned way.
And so I said, you've got to get out of the old house.
You're slipping back into that timeline and you mustn't do that.
You've got to get into a new house where there's nothing there, no doors to open.
And she knew about the doors and that because we had talked about what there's an elderly Indian friend of ours, a relative that is keeper of some doors up here in this area and has had to shut a few because every once in a while some people fooling around with mirrors and stuff, they open a door and then these other dimensional things can come out and they mess with the other elementals that are supposed to be where they are, like the little people and that.
So he has to get them back and shut the door.
So she knew about stuff like that and she did move and didn't have the problem again.
So I suppose somebody at that level, a medicine man, probably has a lot of disdain for people who toy around with this kind of thing, eh?
unidentified
It makes a lot of extra work and I've helped him on a few things where people have done that.
But in this one particular time, I didn't see the creatures that he was dealing with, but he threw them against by the song and the chant that he was doing and the drumming that someone else was doing.
He threw them against the clay bank and we all of us saw the imprint of the extra-dimensional creature.
And then he smoothed the clay over and trapped them again and shut the door.
You can't really see these doors, but you can...
You know how heat looks on a road where it kind of like...
Yeah, that's kind of like what it looks like when you see one of these things.
You can even walk by it, you know.
So you should really be careful with these things.
When you get into all of these, like Rosicrucian or whatever, or if you go into the Medawan, which is our secret society, all these teachings are the same.
The higher you go, the closer together you come in the teachings.
Yeah, things just all of a sudden stop and I get a head rush.
And while things are stopped, I've developed kind of a habit of fooling around while things are stopped, but I don't know how long it's going to be stopping.
Well, you know, I didn't exactly say that earlier, but I suppose going around with something like that might be something you try to sort of prove the theory.
unidentified
It's something it's real easy to do.
Like, say, you're in Circuit City and you're looking at the DVDs and things go wiggy.
And you've got a copy of something sitting there in front of you and everything stops.
It's like, well, I'll just take this and walk out of the store with it.
And to continue with what this investigator, Donna Higby, has said, she says in our culture, we have sayings like, she looked right through me, they acted like I wasn't there, and so forth.
There are several reasons why someone might use that kind of phraseology.
There's been the supposition that minorities, and to some extent women, are somehow less in our society.
Thankfully, this attitude has been undergoing a change in recent years, but a person who falls into that category, that society is traditionally considered less and important, might take on the stereotyped role and believe this to be true to the extent he or she feels so unimportant that to him they don't even notice he or she feels invisible.
Another reason could be the mental health of the person involved.
Severely depressed people can experience what is termed nihilism, or the feeling of such uselessness and worthlessness that they feel invisible to people about them.
A person with extremely low self-esteem might feel he or she is unworthy of being noticed, therefore feels invisible in these cases.
The feeling of invisibility is a subjective one on the part of the experiencer, not necessarily based in fact.
And I think we have all had the experience of a person simply not paying attention to us, not seeing us or what we're doing.
But if we were to go up to them, stand directly in front of them and speak to them, their attention would be drawn to us and we'd interact.
The phenomena of human spontaneous involuntary invisibility is quite different.
My research has shown the people to be well adjusted, well educated, and taken totally by surprise at the occurrence of invisibility.
Often it takes several such occurrences before they realize they're truly invisible during certain times to other people.
They attempt to interact with those around them.
Simply can't be seen nor heard.
This produces frustration and in many cases a sense of fear at something which they don't understand.
There's big difference between a person purposely not interacting with you because some cultural or personal reason versus a person not interacting with you because he can neither see nor hear you.
All right, back we go and you are back on the air once again.
In one other case, a young gal earlier said the voice that appeared to her or that she heard in her head was, are you sure you want to proceed or something like that?
And you heard you're not ready?
unidentified
It was in the first person.
I'm not ready for this yet.
And it was just that tone as an adult part of my spirit, I guess.
Wow.
So I never had another episode until about 14 years later.
Oh.
And I was getting ready to go out, and I was looking in the mirror, you know, obviously putting makeup on.
But the interesting part of this thing to me is that I had experienced the energy shift prior to looking in the mirror when I was 26.
And that was when I was with a friend of mine and my children.
And there was no liquor.
There were no drugs involved.
And we had taken the children to the exploratorium.
And it was a beautiful summer day out.
And she and I were talking.
And all of a sudden, I felt that shift.
And it kind of startled me because it's as if, well, it's not as if it's, I can be standing talking to you, but I can feel this energy going somewhere else.
And in my mind, I can, I know how I lived and died and what my entire life was.
And I finally learned, I think what bothered me the most was that I couldn't control it.
Again, though, I wonder if you had had the ability to see directly as well, whether you would have seen it, or if it was only the reflection or the little dip into the beginning of infinity.
That's only the beginning of infinity.
I'm still somewhat mesmerized by the gentleman calling about the camera into the monitor.
That is a trip into infinity.
And the higher resolution you would have, as in HDTV or whatever the next step in technology, the further into, in other words, from a pixel point of view, as the resolution increases, the depth into infinity in which you're traveling increases.
You know, under combat conditions, and this is particularly true of LERTs, SEALs, Rangers, virtually all the SOG units, sometimes you get in a place where you can't really get concealment and there's pure terror.
It wouldn't surprise me, but that some people have mastered this cloud or whatever it is that it takes to initiate this, that they suddenly understand it.
Otherwise, it appears to be completely involuntary.
unidentified
You don't understand it, but you become confident in it.
But there's a hang-up.
Animals know you're there.
Fortunately, a lot of people don't go hunting other people with dogs.
Now, why would you begin, how would you even know to begin to experiment with it?
unidentified
Well, with the mirrors, I started experimenting with that because I had heard my teenage children several years ago talking about Bloody Mary, was that game the kids used to play, and they'd stand in front of the mirror in the dark and say Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, and spin around ten times, and then she would appear in the mirror.
Well, I snuck off into the bathroom one night to see if it was true.
You know, I was just going to interject before you go on that perhaps the name for that came from the fact that it originated with an older lady named Mary who tried it and got real bloody.
And at first I didn't succeed, but then I noticed sometimes I could succeed.
And if I would stare into the mirror and, like the other lady said, kind of meditate, I forget exactly how she called it, but that all of a sudden I would see my face start to change.
Especially one of my daughters, we tried it together and she said she could see the things in my face just like I could see the things in her face.
So we can see each other change.
As we sit across from each other about three foot, we can stare into each other's face and see different people come through and watch the faces change.
So I'm not so sure about the mirror being the key to going into the infinite reality.
Yes, when I needed help or something, I was assuming at one point that maybe these were guardians of the past and the future.
So when I had a major problem that I couldn't deal with, I would stand in front of the mirror and present the problem and say, who would like to help me with this?
You get a stranger in the mirror and you really don't know what you've got on your hands.
unidentified
Right.
But, you know, I've only did that once where I called and someone volunteered and told me their name and I told them to take care of this problem for me and not to hurt anyone.
all right that comes under the category of an entity attacks the I never thought of going home.
unidentified
It's time to let you know Gonna hurt my heart
All of times have come, we're put down again.
You don't feel the rain.
do the wind come away Come on, baby, feel the breath Baby, take my hand Baby, I'm gonna be reachart bell in the kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies dial 1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies 1-800-825-5033
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Would you describe the experience as intriguing, desirable, frightening?
What?
unidentified
Didn't frighten me at all.
It definitely intrigued me.
And I didn't think there was anything necessarily to be afraid of.
I just thought that I had kind of stumbled upon one of those random, rare physical moments where it's just like a key and you're just unlocking something, maybe, you know, something like a strange physical thing that you do that you would normally never do or not have a reason to do and that somehow unlocked the veils, so to speak.
I had another quick story I just had to tell you about that's a little off the subject, but definitely in a similar vein.
It's happened to my cousin.
I'll make it quick.
He's a guitar player and a songwriter in Nashville.
And when he gets ideas, he'll pick up his acoustic guitar and play his little miniature cassette recorder and just put it on his leg and strum a melody.
And he was just playing a song that he was coming up with, and he does this all the time.
And he took a moment to put the guitar down before he stopped it so there was a space at the end where it was completely blank.
And he listened to himself playing, and as he got to the end of the guitar playing, this party turned off, and he heard a voice on the recorder, and it was very, it was kind of in the background, it was staticky, but he heard a very irrational sounding voice say, get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of here, you know, like completely freaked out, saying, get me out of here, get me out of here.
He put it away for like a month, and then all of a sudden, about a month later, he pulled it out and started listening to it again, and he was really completely compelled to keep listening to it.
He was always listening to it.
Finally, his wife got it and recorded over it because she said he was just getting totally obsessed with it.
Because, I mean, to him, this was like some kind of real proof, you know, of non-physical reality to him.
We've talked a lot on this program about electronic voice phenomena, and I am convinced it is real.
I'm not convinced that I know what it is.
I'm convinced it's real, but I sure don't know what it is.
And I can see how somebody would get compelled to have a sudden understanding that there is another reality, there's another place, and there are consciousnesses occupying this place that could get you pretty involved pretty quickly, even obsessed.
Ooh, somebody willing to actually go frame by frame.
All right, then we're going to need a little bit of help.
Is there anybody out there who knows offhand in the stock footage, which she can get hold of, of the inaugural, where and about when in all of that that occurred?
And I suppose for her in her investigation, it would be perhaps worthwhile if you can go to or get an archive of, say, Crossfire that did a program on that and had the man, then you'd have his face, which you would need for a reference, right?
Invisibility.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
I'm talking about invisibility.
Okay.
And I'm actually devoting my life to cracking the code on this one because it's been a feature of my life.
You know, this is just not something you would think you could do an entire radio program on, and yet here we are.
unidentified
I have a theory about that, too.
I think, I mean, all our planets are in alignment.
I'm calling from Toronto, by the way.
Yes.
And we're in trouble times.
And the bottom line for me, if there's nothing else to know about this phenomena of leaving the body, of leaving time and space, of going backwards or forwards, of disappearing, it's really, the bottom line to me is that the body is material, but it's not who we are.
And I'm not a religious person.
I don't take drugs or drink or anything.
But it's whatever, I mean, we are infinite, but not in the mirror sense.
I mean, I know the image that you're talking about, but that is the same image that's just repeated over and over and over.
In fact, in our spirit form, we have so many variables and we are infinite.
When you take a camera and you get close to a monitor, Especially a high-definition monitor, I've done it, and you get close enough, you zoom all the way in, then you're looking down this long, incredible tunnel.
Now, obviously, with today's technology, we can't get to infinity.
In other words, we get down to the smallest pixels, and then to our eyes, it disappears.
But in fact, it keeps going.
It really is infinite.
So the higher resolution we get, the further down the road of infinity we can go.
unidentified
Well, I've been leaving my body and traveling, and these voices inside of people have been talking about this has been like from the time I've been a child, it's been a very familiar thing.
And I've learned over time that it can be a protective mechanism.
It's something that controls me rather than me controlling it.
I can tell you sometimes I can control it, and I can tell you what it feels like when I've gone.
If I'm just like awake, I'm not asleep, but I'm talking to you, and then I'm gone.
I don't feel myself leaving, but I feel myself coming back, and it's like being in an elevator, and when the elevator just suddenly drops, and you're like, boom, your gravity's taking your head to your bottom of your feet.
And then I'm sitting in front of you, and you're moving your mouth, and you're talking, and you haven't even noticed I've been somewhere else, and I can't tell you where I've been, and I have no idea what you're saying.
I was working there doing rescue swim work, rescue diving work on weekends for people that were lost in currents, all type of emergencies, and worked with the Navy crew as well.
And met a young individual as a lieutenant.
And later, as our careers developed, stayed friends.
He became a lieutenant commander and was with the DSR-V unit.
I mean, the Pacific on one side and the East China Sea on the other, so it was all water.
unidentified
Plenty of water, warm water, cold water.
You got it all right there where it merges.
But a lot of activity down aircraft.
You know, you get surfers, swimmers lost in currents.
But the background I was trying to get to is the friendship I made later came back that I was assigned or requested to join this DSRV unit and did and was reassigned to Virginia.
And basically what we did was deep sea rescue and recovery.
If we had a downed aircraft, we would go and try to rig the craft to get it back.
Anything, any anomaly that we wanted to look at, basically we were sent.
There were several teams that did the same thing we did.
But upon diving, we went down, like I say, just under a mile and a half, and we contacted the vessel, which we immediately recognized not as a submarine, but more of an aircraft of communications.
Back to the top, we were told to go observe, photograph, determine what we have.
We thought at that point we had possibly a Russian or Korean aircraft with some type of contained weapon source.
So as we went in, we went in and this particular vessel was partially in the mud, submerged or buried under some mud, had been there for some period of time.
No, I understand, but the DSR-V had to be deployed from something, right?
unidentified
Right.
The best thing I could describe is it's like an LPH-type vessel where you have a recovery at water level and then it has a platform for helicopters.
Gotcha.
We have a lot of visitation and traffic.
And on this particular dive, we had more than normal.
I'll get to that real quick.
Basically, our mission was to locate, identify what it was and whose it was, and determine how hot it was as far as radiation source, if it was something we were going to rig to recover, or we'd have to get authorization to destroy essentially if it was something that was too hot to recover.
And what we came upon the site, and as I said, it was a triangular shape, but the best description I can give is the back end was more of an ellipse around.
It had a round corner where it attached to the straits, which would be the side or would appear to be the side.
And there were markings on the side of it, which were in the skin itself.
At some point in this much observation, at some point here, somebody must have begun to think not of this earth.
unidentified
Well, not thinking out loud.
You know, Our training is such that we're going to go through the entire process, and we've got a computer that carries every schematic of everybody's aircraft, everybody's one or more vessel on the planet, essentially.
We can put the shapes in, we can match it.
We didn't get a match, to put it as simple as I can, there wasn't a match for the marking or the pattern or the shape.
So at this point, we contacted the surface vehicle.
We were ordered to return to the surface with the existing steel photography and video we had, several million candle powers of light.
You understand the darkness at this depth.
We returned to the surface and essentially they download the pictures, the video.
They went through the process and we were held up for an additional 12 hours about a marine archaeologist.
And we took the marine archaeologist down on the second dive.
And again, a lot of drawings made.
He was making some sketches, had some information within his own computer.
And at some point, I mean, my God, you see something that looks not of this Earth with no identifying, with marks that are, as you probably well know, the kind of thing that we believe we saw at Roswell.
So somebody has to be thinking, hey, maybe alien crashed vehicle of some kind or not of this earth.
I mean, that would be...
unidentified
And not relayed via radio to the surface for a number of reasons.
But, you know, we don't want to be immediately brought to the surface for psych evaluation.
Intercept of the communication was another concern, you know, just on conversation within the vehicle.
So the main purpose, at least the first trip, was to get video of what we had still because we couldn't give them a direct match from anything we had in the computer system.
There was not a direct match, at least of that part of the vessel.
All right, so, Captain, where did this go from there?
I mean, now you've got this thing ID.
Were you suddenly out of the picture?
unidentified
Well, we were in the picture up to the point where we're rigging and recovering.
As I said, we took down a marine archaeologist.
And one thing that was very interesting that this individual, we actually monitored currents, did some things, temperatures and such at the site.
He was making quite a bit of notes and really not making a lot of comment.
But he did make the comment when we asked, is this recent?
Because there was no disturbed area around it, best way to describe it.
It looked like it had been in place.
And he said that it wasn't any more recent than at least 30 to 40 years, which really threw us back because this thing looked like something beyond, you know, where we are at development-wise aircraft.
And I still hadn't ruled out that it was not experimental aircraft at this point, someone's.
But the point that he made that the buildup of the silk mud in the front end would appear that this has probably been in place for a period of 30 years or somewhere in the range 30 to 40 years.
Well, I know firsthand of that because what we were instructed to do, again, this is about the fourth time down.
We're in the third day.
And we were using thrusters to remove some of the silt mud from the midsections where we could attach equipment we had or get equipment to attach to try to lift this.
And the problem, again, is we have all types of procedures.
We know if it's a particular MIG model, what the weight of that vehicle is going to be, if it's under seawater, if it's full of seawater.
We estimate the lift we're going to need to get that vessel moving.
And the best we could do was go on size and approximate it to the closest known aircraft, which basically this thing was close to our own F-14 if you want to get a physical dimension of what this thing size was.
So what we rigged it for was enough lift to get that weight.
We had thrusted away a lot of the silt mud from the vehicle.
Still had a section probably about eight foot that was trapped or under a depth.
It was more of an angle to it.
So when we rigged it to bring it up rear first, use the best language I can, we were going to try to lift the rear end up and bring this thing up on an angle and try to keep everything intact and go.
We're rigging with our calculation for the rigging, the weight, brought it up, and it went probably about two and a half to three times the ascent as what we anticipated, which immediately gave us a feel that we're dealing with something extremely light.
What about any warnings about talking about what you had just done?
unidentified
Nothing at all.
Our whole mission, the whole, we did things, brought up aircraft that didn't belong to us, brought up things or made dives on things that weren't ours.
We pretty much, that was an assumption anytime we were out.
Even if it was our vehicle, we weren't allowed to discuss.
When you got this vehicle up, was it obvious in any way?
I mean, was it obvious that it was not of this Earth?
Or at least nothing that you all, you had wonderful records of everything that was or at least known of at that time?
unidentified
Right.
There would be nothing cataloged as of 91 that, I would say as of 91, and still as of 2001, being familiar with current aircraft that it is even vaguely familiar with.
There's not a cockpit to the vessel.
It was a solid metallic form.
When that part was removed from below the mud the silt and finally got to see, we trailed it as it, you know, as it ascended.
We trailed up to follow the vessel, make sure we didn't lose any equipment en route and had to do another recovery of the vessel because that happens on occasion.
We will lose it when you initially move it.
But this, it had no type of cockpit or no type of window.
It was just a skin.
It was all metallic.
And the markings went from the midsection of the craft completely around 360.
It wasn't a circular pattern, but if you say the perimeter description, was it aerodynamic in the sense that we understand it?
It was aerodynamic in the sense that it was triangular and it was, if the nose was flat, it did have an aerodynamic shape.
It not only went up, I would describe as a porpoise head, if you go from the snow to the porpoise, it had the same pattern on the bottom.
It was almost a perfect symmetric piece of metal with marking around the edge, and it was just a triangular shape, but no glass, nothing that would appear to be a hatch or a cockpit of any type.
Right, it was a little bit, actually a little bit longer than the aircraft would be probably six to eight feet, I would say, in excess of what you would anticipate for F-14.
Colonel, a straight-out question is, do you believe that you recovered an alien craft?
unidentified
I've never, you know, I've had conversation with the individual, my friend that actually was there.
We're still in contact quite often.
I can't definitively say that it was.
I can only say that it was an object that didn't belong there and certainly would not have blown there 30 or 40 years prior to when we were on site.
And no visible means to, you know, if you anticipate it was an aircraft and I saw a cockpit, I would say it was definitely somebody's here that was in development.
But the technology would not allow you to fly such a craft 30 or 40 years ago without some type of visual.
Mark, what I'd like you to do as we head into the break here is hang on the line, and I'm going to come and get a contact number for you privately, all right?
All right, and that's exactly what we're going to do.
Well, down to 10,000 feet below the surface.
But at about a mile and a half, Mark and two others found what to me sounds very much like an alien craft.
And so I think the next logical step, having heard what we all just did, is to get a number and get hold of one or both of the other parties and proceed.
unidentified
What do you think?
Thank you.
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So, you know, another thing with the cops, too, is the fact that I seem to, that lady brings up a good point about that, that I've, you know, not a moment.
I can't tell you how many times I've been zooming down the highway 70, 80 miles an hour, past the cop before I realize it, and look in my rearview mirror, and they never move.
You know, now either they're sleeping, didn't notice, weren't clocking.
Well, some of the above are possible, but on a regular basis.
And the other interesting thing you'll recall she said was, if she didn't notice it, in other words, if it escaped her attention, if she didn't have the opportunity to concentrate or create this condition, then she has been caught.
unidentified
That's true.
I can also seem to sense radar whenever it's around for some strange reason.
So last week I decided I had enough, so I just basically moved one mirror so it wasn't facing the other.
Right.
Once I've done that, I've started to hear whistling.
And the whistling, my dogs are sometimes growling before I can hear it.
Maybe somebody is pissed that you moved the mirror.
Well, I think that to make a distinction also, that some mirrors, I would think some people would have to realize that some of these, not all mirrors, but I believe that some mirrors, it's almost like I don't even want to be undressed in front of it.
You know when there's somebody in the room with you.
That's one of the senses that humans share with animals.
We know when there's somebody near us.
We can sense it.
unidentified
Right.
The other thing I wanted to mention was that I think that the same thing can occur with reflections in a pond or in a lake because I've also had experience when I was a kid when I was in front of a lake and saw two figures behind me, but I couldn't see them because it was like in the nighttime shadows.
So the answer is the reflectivity, or you could call it feedback.
It's feedback, right?
unidentified
Right, and not everyone is wanting to experience these things.
Some of it's like if the mirror wasn't that heavy, I just would pick it up and put it in the closet, but I'd have to get somebody to help me do that.
It's just a very heavy old mirror, but now at the point I'm ready to do that, it's just put it in storage and cover it because the whistling that I'm hearing is evidently emanating from the mirror.
And it's like at the odd hours of beyond 12 midnight.
And I could go to sleep early, and then in the middle of the night will hear some type of whistling, very faint whistlings, but the dogs will begin to growl first.
Your point is well made, and it kind of cozies up very well with this lady's research, Donna Higby, that I've been reading about tonight.
I'm going to obviously try and pursue her as a guest, but she's doing deep research in these areas, and in almost every case she has cited and documented, it's all been involuntary.
Well, you've heard a multitude of stories tonight.
Some of them sounded absolutely straight on to me.
unidentified
Let me read you one quote from Colin Wilson.
Okay.
How is it possible for people to go through life without seriously thinking of certain questions?
The answer is, again, disturbing because the thoughts are tied down too much with familiar things.
And then he gets into, you realize this if you try to think about some fairly simple abstract problem, such as why a mirror reverses your left and right sides, but not your head and feet.
The mind tries to grasp the problem, then skids like a car on ice.
It's as if some gravitational force pulled your mind back to the near and now, and the ground pulls us back where we jump, when we jump.
Another thing that he said was, suppose I'm looking at myself in a full-length mirror while on the other side of the room another person watches me.
I look at myself and say, that is me.
Then I experience a momentary dizziness and suddenly find that I am now looking out from behind the eyes of the other person while the former me, in quotes, stands on the other side of the room, looking in the mirror.
What would this experience teach me?
Clearly, that I was mistaken to say that is me.
For the real me, in quotes, is something that is transferable from one body to another.
And then the final thing from Colin Wilson.
He's talking about Casper Hauser, the person who appeared from nowhere.
And he's talking about a mysterious letter if it was written in mirror writing.
Was it because Casper wrote it with his left hand, looking in a mirror, in order to disguise his writing?
It is a well-known fact that it is easy to train the left hand to write backward using a mirror.
And I had a dream where there was a woman in the dream, and I felt very connected to her, and I reached out and I touched her.
Now, I'm not going to go into the dream because that's not really the story, but about two months ago, I was doing stuff in the bathroom, and I looked in the mirror, and all of a sudden, I recognized the woman.