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April 17, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Red Elk - Lizard People and the Underworld. Steven Greer - Alt. Energy Devices

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, where all the dire predictions of bad wind stuff didn't happen by 3 o'clock this afternoon, I called the National Weather Service in Las Vegas and they said, Art, I think we can relax.
		Even though it looked bad, the whole thing is slipping to the east a little bit.
		And we got a few 40-mile-an-hour dust here in the desert, but nothing like Monday.
		Thank God.
		And got away with it.
		So that was apparently about 3 o'clock this afternoon.
		Monday was unbelievable.
		The damage in this valley is absolutely incredible.
		Listen, we're welcoming yet another new affiliate to this to the house of madness.
		It's WWNC in Asheville, North Carolina.
		They're 570 on the dogs.
		It's about to be 5,000 watts definitely.
		Would go screaming on out into the night very well indeed.
		The GM there is Diane Ogram.
		The PD, Jim Edwards.
		Thank you very much.
		The duo there of Diane and Jim.
		Thank you.
		You have no idea what a weird, very strange, weird world you have just stepped into.
		For example, coming up in a moment is Dr. Greer in the first hour, and I'll tell you all about him.
		And then in the second hour, Red Elk.
		Listen, sorry, I know nobody can get onto Richard C. Hoagland's website.
		We put another notch in our website.
		We've apparently killed Richard sighted to be back by tomorrow.
		But so many people trying to access the new images that it just went.
		So another notch goes in.
		Probably back up by tomorrow.
		Just be patient.
		All right.
		A couple of things to take care of, and then on to the amazing Dr. Greer.
unidentified		Dr. Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Greer is the founder of Space Access Systems Inc.
		It's a corporation dedicated to identifying, testing, licensing, and commercializing over-unity energy devices for mass dissemination.
		That is a very, very, very serious goal when you think about it.
		Dr. Greer has been working on this for some time.
		Most pitfalls are political.
		He says not technological.
		But that's a really good question for us to ask tonight.
		He's best known, of course, for disclosure.
		He has led the parade, and somebody always has to, on UFO alien technology sort of disclosure.
		You know, finally getting it out into the front of the public.
		That's a really, really big job.
		And we just barely got him on the phone, but here he is, Dr. Greer.
		Hi, Dr. Greer.
		How are you doing?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		I'm doing fine.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
		Where would you like to start?
		I mean, this audience is equally fascinated by both subjects, I think.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's do an update on something that we just learned about in the last 48 hours.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And this is actually very historic information, and that is that the largest webcast on the Internet in the history since it was created was the Disclosure Project webcast at disclosureproject.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you serious?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		400,000 people attempted to get online to see those events happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just got those stats?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We just now got them out of the system.
		Here's another interesting stat that we just got because it's something that has just been given to us by our carrier, and that is that over 1 million people have downloaded and streamed the video of the National Press Club event that took place on May 9th, and that is also a world record.
		The other interesting thing is that it's been the largest requested for bandwidth issue that has ever been requested through this largest of all servers that provide this kind of service to the world.
		What we're finding, in other words, is that even if some of the mainstream media has tried to shut this down, what that's done is shunted it through this alternate media thing that's been created in the sort of new media age, and that's the Internet.
		So it's interesting, because disclosureproject.org, which is our website, is pushing in the 10 million range for HIPS.
		But what is more important are the number of people who've taken the time to try to see this incredible testimony from these heroic military people who came forward about 11 months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Doctor?
		What do you think that those kind of numbers can mean?
		You know, disclosure is your thing, and so you understand very well what the kind of numbers you're talking about mean.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, what it means is something we've been saying all along, and I said this to President Clinton's inner circle when we were briefing him on this, and I've said it to many members of Congress in the last few months, and that is that the numbers of people who are interested in this matter and who want this subject disclosed properly and honestly exceeds the number of people who have voted for any of our U.S. presidents in the last several elections.
		In other words, well over 50% of people know about this subject and think something is being hidden from them and would like to see that secrecy ended.
		And I think that you don't have those sort of numbers in any of the elections of either the past two elections for Clinton or Bush.
		So there's a huge interest in this, but also a huge level of concern around the secrecy.
		And I think that what has surprised me the most...
		I think it will be, and I think it will be because of some things that are happening.
		For example, since 9-11, a lot of people are understanding that there's an extremely high price for inexpensive Mideast oil that we're some 57 percent dependent on for imported oil, and that President Bush and others have said that it's a national security issue that we've become independent of the need for this sort of large amount of imported foreign energy.
		Well, I think people are understanding that you can use the word UFO or you can supplant that term with something called an exotic energy and propulsion device, many of which look like UFOs but are being manufactured and illegal, clandestine projects and have been for several decades.
		And I think as people begin to come forward with the information, with the technology, with their observations who have seen these things and seen these projects going forward, people are beginning to say, my God, what in the world are we doing trying to continue to burn up the biosphere and develop this entire geopolitical mess that we're in centered around oil?
		And most people realize, of course, you're not going to solve the energy problem by punching a few more holes in the ground.
		So I think that this is something which, contrary to what I initially thought after 9-11, that those events would completely make this issue seem sort of irrelevant, it's become more relevant, and people have become more interested and more concerned.
		So I think that what this means is it is an issue that's going to have continuing legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we've got enough people to force it as an issue, how would you go about forcing it as an issue?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, in the next presidential race, I mean, what would you logistically do to attempt to do that?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we're going to do some things that we're continuing to ramp up.
		For example, at the website, there's a link from disclosureproject.org.
		It's in the website where people can fax the president and members of Congress so they don't have to go through snail mail or email, both of which aren't very effective.
		And they can fax right into the office of the president and right into their senator or congressman's office a letter that says, we want hearings and we want this issue dealt with.
		That's one way of growing this sort of mass movement.
		But the other is to bring forward greater and greater levels of testimony.
		One of the things that we've just released is that we've put together four-hour summary of these military witnesses testimony that people can get now.
		They can get it on our website or at 888-Dr.
		Greer, which is a toll-free number they can call.
		And this four-hour tape is, again, only about a 30th of the testimony we have on digital videotape.
		What we're going to start doing is putting all of that testimony.
		We have boiled down to about 35 hours of militaries and various generals and colonels and air traffic controllers and people like this.
		And it's going to start going up on our website for people who know how to see video streaming on their computers so that literally thousands and millions of people can see the complete testimony of these people instead of just a smaller sort of snapshot of their testimony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about getting into a situation where somehow there's enough interest generated that some major reporter at a White House news conference, should he ever want to have one again, will stand up and ask a question about the field, giving him an opportunity to say at least something.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think this is something that is going to happen when it becomes such a pressure that neither the media nor the political establishment can ignore it.
		And this is really up to the people listening to your show tonight is to decide to do something about that.
		The other thing that I think will make a large difference is to come forward with greater and greater levels of testimony.
		And this is why we've started the second phase of recording these witnesses' testimony.
		There's another 119 additional military and intelligence and corporate witnesses whom we have identified since last year.
		So we're going to try to put that testimony together.
		And there's a subsection of that that involves people who've worked on these energy and propulsion devices.
		And I think that as that information comes forward, the public are going to realize that this is not just about little gray or green or whatever colored men out in space, but it's also about how we're going to build the next level of human civilization, how we're going to create a civilization that can be sustainable, that can eliminate poverty as we know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you haven't changed your mind about where this technology has come from, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has essentially come from, not joking, the little green men.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I honestly think that there are technologies in these black projects that are a result of both human breakthroughs and the study of extraterrestrial vehicles, so that there is a combination.
		I think that there's a big misunderstanding, and that is that if people look at what Colonel Corso said very carefully, he said that the technologies that were seeded by some of the extraterrestrial materials were ideas that were already ongoing, and then some of these materials would then augment or move it down the path a little further.
		So I think it's not as simple as saying, well, you know, we found an extraterrestrial vehicle and came out with the integrated circuit or came out with lasers.
		In fact, that there is a sort of a, if I can use the word hybrid, a hybridization of ideas and concepts where humans have had breakthroughs that have then been potentiated and increased in their efficiency by studying these extraterrestrial breakthroughs that are the result of retrieving a number of these craft.
		So you don't have those things going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think any of this information was generously given or given for any specific reason by alien intelligence, but rather the result of either a captured craft or back-engineered technology, right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do have a couple of witnesses that indicate, in fact, that there had been or has been at points in time cooperation and where things have been handed off.
		I think that was very early, back in the late 40s or 50s.
		And unfortunately, I don't think that we were totally honest in our dealings with that situation.
		My understanding is that We did not hold up our end of the bargain, in a sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something I've heard, Doctor, and you can knock this down maybe if you want to, but there's a lot of reports suddenly of UFO activity in South America and in Australia.
		And it's been said on this program very recently that perhaps they are, in effect, giving up on us, that we send up jets.
		We seem not to be particularly interested in them except to have them gone, and that they're taking the hint and taking their act elsewhere.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that that's happening.
		I do think that there are some very unfortunate things that, for example, John Wigan, who's one of the witnesses who has come forward, who is a Marine officer near the Peruvian-Bolivian border, was at the site of one of these extraterrestrial vehicles that we had obviously shot at and hit with some type of weapon system from a facility where he was stationed.
		And I think that we have increasingly taken actions that are very dangerous to the national security of the United States and to world security.
		Now, I think a lot of the objects that are being seen, to add more confusion to this whole mix, are actually made by human beings.
		There's a facility in, for example, Australia, where many people have been seeing these objects flying, large, both triangular and this shape, that are actually made by Homo sapiens, humans.
		And I have people who have been in those facilities that we have interviewed recently and who have corroborated that information.
		So it's not unlike the facilities near Palmdale in Lancaster in the high desert of California where people late at night at 3 and 4 in the morning have seen these objects launched out of the area near the north base of Edwards, for example, and have seen this for a number of years.
		And I think so many of these things that are being seen are, in fact, anti-gravity and very advanced energy and propulsion devices.
		Again, that's sort of a both.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take a deep breath for a second.
		The administration right now, according to Richard Tsiogland and others, appears interested, and I think there's a lot of stories, not at all in pursuing this kind of technology, but instead, Dr. traveling down the let's use chemicals to get nuclear engines for spacecraft into space.
		That's the road they're going now.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's interesting because I just had a meeting with the AIAA people, the Association of International Aerospace Engineers, and my science advisor, Dr. Loeder, and I and others are working with some people in that group.
		And they're interested in the fact that this is the sort of perspective that keeps getting pushed.
		But I think that's sort of a decoy.
		That's sort of to distract people from the main action that's going on with disclosure, quite frankly.
		And I have to point out, the next level of disclosure is to put on the table, literally, an energy system and also an anti-gravity system.
		You know, we're working with people like Mark McCandlish.
		We're working with one of Townsend Brown's protégés.
		We're working with a whole group of people.
		And in fact, just this weekend, we are gathering for the first time this brain trust of physicists and fabricators and engineers to build a small version of one of these alien reproduction vehicles or anti-gravity vehicles.
unidentified		Which you expect to be able to do what?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		To actually build a small mock-up version of one of these things that people see flying around.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It looks like a UFO, basically a disc-shaped anti-gravity vehicle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, a mock-up version, not one of the vehicles.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And also an energy system.
		Basically, the core of these things is, as best we can tell, a very high output, a zero-point-based energy generator.
		And that system is something we're beginning to put a team together to fabricate.
		They should be working on that within the next three or four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do you think you have a theory with regard to the operation of that that will allow you to make that device?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have people who are on this team who have actually worked on the plans for these objects and have seen them within classified projects.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We have people also who have built at Lawrence Berkeley Labs and in other facilities these over-unity energy generators and have been only to be in the early days of their experimentation attacked by rogue sort of SWAT teams and other elements that have tried to shut them down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose that's one way to go after it.
		In other words, if you cannot conclusively prove with the possession of a UFO that these exist, then you might take this tact and build your own, and that's essentially what you're doing, right?
		You're building your own UFO.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, a sort of a small version of one, but more importantly, we're going to first build the energy plant, the energy generation system, so that we can show the world that, in fact, we don't need to be burning fossil fuels for the next hundreds of years, destroying the biosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is an alternate to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee you, Doctor, that even a scale version of a UFO that did what we've seen UFOs do, or even some portion of it, would go a long way toward doing that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		And I've had members of Congress and more than one senator ask that we put that kind of technology together and demonstrate it for us to select members of Congress.
		So that's what we're planning to do.
		And we have a group of this space energy access system.
		So we have a website, seaspower.com, which is, I think, a nice double entendre.
unidentified		Oh, that's a good one.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		S-E-A-S-P-O-W-R-E-R-D-O-T-O-M.
		And this group has been authorized.
		Well, that's okay.
		That's old news art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seize Power.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So basically, this is the next step.
		We're going to move from testimony and evidence and cases from people who've been inside the Strategic Air Command or within the CIA or within the DIA into this level where we can hopefully, and of course this is a big experiment and undertaking, demonstrate to the world both the energy system that generates energy for these objects, as well as, if we can, one of these electrogravitic or anti-gravity type devices.
		So that's what we're working on, and that work is beginning actually this week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold tight.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		that's pretty cool.
		So he's going to build his own UFO.
		Think about that.
		How better to prove that they're real than to build one?
		So here you go.
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		can
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		wearer What happened?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I can't think of anything in the entire world that would be more convincing than building a UFO, even a scale model UFO that flew.
		I mean, does it get better than that for the media?
		The answer is absolutely no.
		If he can do that, then maybe disclosure is just about here.
		Sounds of the wind Yeah, I'd say that's often in the category of a headline of kinds.
		No doubt about it.
unidentified		He's going to build his own UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or, yeah, I guess actually, dramatically, you could not possibly demonstrate it in a more graphic way.
		That would do the trick for me.
		Dr. Greer, welcome back.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Glad to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's serious news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the odds are you're going to be able to do it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that the idea is that the first phase of it is to build the energy plant that would prove this concept of so-called over-unity or zero-point energy generation.
		And I think the next phase is to move it into the rotational system and vortex technology that enables this electrogravitic effect.
		I think that latter part where you actually have something that can fly under anti-gravity and controlled conditions will take us quite a bit longer.
		But we're hoping to be able to have a prototype of this within certainly a year.
		And maybe much sooner.
		We're getting some really interesting help from some quarters that normally you would not think would want to stick their neck out on this.
		And I'm talking really mainstream and helpful aerospace people who do contracting for NASA, people who do contracting for various areas who have knowledge of this.
		And, you know, you see things in Jane's Defense Weekly about the 1950s era anti-gravity project.
		And you see this in Nick Cook's book that's talking about the race to zero point talking about the same thing.
		And there are more and more people in the mainstream aerospace area wanting to come forward.
		And one of the things I will say to people listening, if they think that they have information or can contribute to this effort, they should contact us at either disclosureproject.org or seizepower.com and let us know because we're putting this brain trust together and it's growing very rapidly and it's picked up a tremendous amount of momentum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure there are people like that out there.
		A lot of them are inventors.
		A lot of them know things.
		Are these the people that you want?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so long as they can demonstrate they're bona fide.
		So the people that are on this initial creative team are people who have an excellent track record in working in these areas and can prove that to us.
		And for that reason, we're supporting them in this effort, in this research and sanitation effort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you know, though, Doctor, there are a lot of characters out there who have perhaps not the right bona fides, but every possibility in the world, if you have the patience, to sift through them, of eventually finding the one who had the gem.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what we've been doing now for, of course, quite a few months.
		And there's a lot of nonsense, and there's a lot of good stuff out there.
		And even in the conventional area, I want to point out some people who've surfaced who have developed, for example, very advanced fuel injection systems that would enable an automobile to get anywhere upwards of 100 to 130 miles per gallon.
		And this sounds implausible, except that people have built and tested these things only to later run into what I not so fondly call Murder Incorporated, this sort of illegal cabal of folks who have taken extraordinary steps to keep these things silent.
		And I think one of the things that people have to understand is that there's this sort of unacknowledged terrorism that's been going on in society for decades where very good and honest inventors and scientists and even military people who stumble across these things have been tortured, have been abducted, have been drugged, and have been mistreated.
		And I think this is another whole part of what disclosure has to get to, and that is that there have been this sort of illegal and unconstitutional abuse of people who could have helped our society avoid many of the tragic events that have occurred in the last six or eight months.
		So I think that this is something that has to come to light.
		And I think that if you look at even the accounts of Colonel Charles Brown, who was the AFOSI officer who had been in Project Grudge, who came across a technique for altering the air intake system of a vehicle so that you would get about 20 to 25, maybe 30% more fuel efficiency, he had bomb threats.
		He had his stuff sabotaged.
		He had his prototype stolen.
		And this is a very decorated man who had, Bick in the 50s, had been involved in the UFO projects and after his retirement got involved in some of these energy projects.
		And his testimony, by the way, is available for anyone to read who wants to read it on our website.
		So I think that what you find is that you have really wonderful people who have been courageous in trying to come forward, but they've all been doing it in a divided way.
		What we're doing with the energy issue is what we've also done with the disclosure issue, and that is let's not let these people go out by themselves and have their necks chopped off.
		Let's put them together in a coalition, and let's support them, and let's protect them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering how literally you mean this, Dr. When you say kind of like murder incorporated and then laugh.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I mean it literally.
		I mean to tell you I have I mean for example one of the things people are going to start seeing in the disclosure effort is that we're going to get testimony from folks who have been abducted and tortured.
		I don't mean by extraterrestrial, I mean by rogue illegal operations operating in this country and others.
		And there are people who have been murdered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think that have you been watching the list of scientists into biotechnology that have been really disappearing and dying under not good circumstances?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I have seen that.
		And I don't like to make a vex that I'm not involved in that particular area.
		But I do know that in the last three months, I have personally met with more than half a dozen bona fide physicists and scientists, not in black projects, but in the public civilian domain, who have run into this kind of harassment and who have had colleagues that have literally at times been murdered in an attempt to keep these things silent.
		And I think that the people listening to your show should be outraged at this and should be prepared to support our effort to get this material out to the public by marching with their feet and marching with their pens and making a very clear message to our leaders, but also to the media, that we want this issue covered and we want these people protected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What group is it, Doctor, that's doing the torturing, the kidnapping, and the killing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What group is this?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, normally these are contract agents and contract operatives who are working on behalf of this, for lack of a better word, transnational cabal or secret government that exists within the government and within the international scene that really do not answer to the Constitution or to the President or to the Congress.
		And I think this is exactly what Senator Inouye was referring to when he said that there was this shadowy government within the government that had its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism.
		And this is a U.S. Senator saying this during the Iran conference, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the mechanism that allowed for the birth of this cabal?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's been around for quite a long time.
		It certainly has been around since the World War II era.
		But in the aftermath of World War II, what we have found through interviewing people who were on the scene back in the 50s and even in the late 40s is that the compartmentalization and funding mechanisms were put in place for these entities to escape supervision.
		And when they escaped supervision, there were abuses of power and abuses that began, and they continued up to this present hour.
		And I think this is exactly what Eisenhower was warning the public of when he said to be very careful of the excesses of the military-industrial complex.
		And it wasn't because he was anti-military, nor am I, but that I think he had seen firsthand, according to Brigadier General Steve Lovkin, who was in the Eisenhower White House as a young man at the time.
		He said that Eisenhower was immensely frustrated by the fact that he was being left out of the loop on critical technology and other issues related to UFOs, specifically to UFOs.
		And Brigadier General Lovkin's testimony, again, sort of underscores this whole concept that once he had learned of these things, and by the way, while he was in the Pentagon, he had seen some of the material from apparently the Roswell or the New Mexico crash of an extraterrestrial vehicle.
		He had people come to him and said, you know, people who step out of line discussing this have been known to be, quote, erased.
		And General Lovkin talks about this erasure process where people would simply disappear.
		And this is way back in the late 50s when he was being told this.
		So, you know, that whole mechanism probably pre-exists my birth in the mid-50s.
		But certainly, I think it mostly got out of control between 1945 and 1955.
		By the mid-50s, I think this thing was well out of control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how do you imagine that these people think of you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, quite a large number of them support what we're doing.
		This is why I'm still here able to talk to you about this issue.
		And I think that people listening should understand that folks who have been involved or are involved currently in those projects, that this is not a monolith, that there are a number of factions or a number of interest areas that support disclosure, that support bringing these technologies out.
		My understanding is that when I briefed CIA Director Woolsey back in 93, I was told by two insiders inside this so-called MJ-12 group, although I don't think that's what it's called today, but within what's called Magi Control and Royal Ops and Cosmic Ops, that basically about a third of them supported what we wanted.
		I understand at this point it's probably up around 45 percent.
		So the numbers are growing, and I think that unfortunately we can't let time slip away.
		I don't know that we have time to have that become 50 or 60 percent because we have pressures being brought to bear in the geopolitical arena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So time is on their side, not yours.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		No, in the long run, time is on our side.
		Time is on the side of truth always, and time is on the side of disclosure, and time is always going to be on the side of the good in the long haul.
		Now, in the short run, we are running up against a big squeeze here because neither the environmental situation nor the geopolitical and terrorism situation can withstand too many more years of this whole thing being obfuscated and hidden and obscured.
		So we are going to have to move that timeline up.
		I had one of the insiders within that group call me right after the May 9th event at the National Press Club and say, you know, you're moving our timeline up by about six years.
		And I said, good.
		This is what our intention is, is to move that timeline up by at least that amount of time.
		And this person went on to basically encourage our doing so when I've met with a number of people in Europe who are connected into these classified projects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask you the question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, what happens if you lose the race?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not me losing the race.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's all of us together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take the question in that spirit.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think that you're going to see more of what you're seeing.
		You're going to see increasing geopolitical instability.
		You're going to see increasing biosphere collapse.
		You're going to see increasing destruction of both polar ice caps.
		You're going to see increasing disparity between the wealthy and the poor nations that will lend to more terrorism, more war, more instability, and more pain and suffering.
		So basically, the universe, if you will, nature, whatever you want to call it, is saying we need to move on to the next chapter in human evolution.
		And that leap has been artificially held up for about 50 years.
		And so there's a price to pay when you don't go with the flow of the will of the universe or the natural order.
		And I think that what we're seeing in terms of all this suffering and all these things that are happening is the consequence of trying to buck that trend line.
		And the trend line is towards another level of evolution, which these technologies will enable humanity to reach.
		And as we further delay that process, the suffering will get worse and worse and worse.
		Until we finally snap out of it and say, okay, we're going to do it.
		So what we're saying to people is that, hey, let's go ahead and do it.
		It's inevitable that these changes are going to happen.
		And it's inevitable that humanity is going to go forward with these types of technologies and information.
		So the longer we put that off, the more the suffering is going to deepen.
		So let's mitigate suffering.
		Let's relieve that suffering.
		Let's be wise and do the right thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people that you have described that would go to these lengths that you have described, if they thought you were actually getting very close to producing what would amount to a flying saucer, an alien craft, something powered by an over-unity device, something that could demonstrate even perhaps anti-gravity, do you honestly think they would, if they're everything you say they are, they would let you get there?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, a number of them are letting us, they're helping us.
		And I would say that we're going to see, aren't we?
		I mean, you know, a lot of people said if we did what happened at May 9th, that had that level of media penetration and that eventually was covered by Pravda and the Chinese news agency and all these other things all over the world, much more heavily than in the United States, I might add.
		CNN World, for example, had a very extensive piece on it overseas, but they sanitized it in the domestic market.
		But still, we're estimating somewhere between 1 and 2 billion people heard about all these military people coming forward talking about this.
		And do you know, to this day, not a single one of them have been threatened.
		None of them have been told to be quiet.
		I have not been told to be quiet.
		So I think that the tide has turned in our favor, and I think we just have to go forward and do that.
		And by the way, it's the grassroots that's been supporting this, and they are our greatest support and protection.
		And we've been getting out there to encourage people to move forward with us.
		On that note, I should mention I'm going to be not in your neck of the woods, but on the West Coast next week.
		I'm going to be in Portland on the 24th of April giving a lecture and presenting this information.
		And then on the 25th in Eugene, Oregon, and then on the 26th in Ashland, Oregon, and at Mount Shaft of California on the 27th, and then at San Francisco at the New H Expo on the 28th.
		So anyone who wants to meet with us can join me at those places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so I assume they hear, if they go to these lectures, the kind of thing that they're getting tonight only in long form, in detail?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, first of all, they get to see one or two hours of the witness testimony uninterrupted, and then they will hear a presentation by yours truly.
		And the details of that are on our website at disclosureproject.org.
		But when we go to these cities, what we're finding is that huge numbers of people who are in the mainstream academic and scientific world are emerging saying, yeah, this is true, and I'm glad someone's talking about it.
		And what can I do to help?
		And so it is this sort of huge global networking that's going on.
		It's really very exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's exciting that the kind of numbers that you talked about at the beginning of the hour are beginning to surface because that actually might get it done if you can get those kinds of numbers out.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you the people who have been involved with this with us, just from a technical point of view, have said that if you took the biggest webcast event in the history of the world, the disclosure project, trumped it by an orders of magnitude.
		Literally by an order of magnitude.
		That the numbers of people who...
		You know, I'm meeting with aerospace engineers and professors of space sciences at universities, and they're pulling me and my science advisors and others aside, saying, you know, we know this is going on and we think it's gone on long enough.
		And by golly, you know, we hope you can succeed.
		And what can we do to help?
		And so Space Energy Access Systems, the energy company we founded, are getting these people on our advisory board.
		And people that you would have thought would never want to wade into this are now jumping on board.
		So I think that it's certainly picking up momentum.
		We're not there yet, but I think we're going to get there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you do get there, do me a favor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before you go to the networks, take just the night before, and I mean the night before, and come on here.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you'll hear about it.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		In fact, one of the things I'll say to you is that as we make progress with this creative team building these things, even before we can go massively public, which of course would shut down all the bandwidth on the planet in terms of people trying to see it, I'll come on your show and we'll talk about it in greater and greater detail if you want to hear about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I absolutely want to hear about it, yes.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		There's some really interesting technologies that are already being presented to us that as we can get them refined and tested, and maybe we'll end up in your neck of the woods and show it to you once we get all our ducks in a row.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many strong contenders do you have right now?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		About a dozen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A dozen?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		People who actually have or have previously built either energy devices that are very serious and over unity or have built components or actually worked with the anti-gravity technology.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So we have a very strong coalition moving forward on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, getting into the actual testing and or construction of those really would be truly exciting work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would think a lot of very mainstream scientists, if they signed on to it intellectually, would jump in with both feet, wouldn't you?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And in fact, we're not going to present a specific technology to the public until at least three or four independent, well-credentialed, and well-recognized laboratories and entities have tested them and have found reproducible results.
		So that's what we're shooting for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good.
		Sounds like a lot of fun to me.
		Dr. Greer, out front, as usual.
		Thank you for being here tonight.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Greer, Stephen Greer.
unidentified		Get a shiver in the dark.
unidentified		It's raining in the park.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meantime.
		Well, maybe it's coming, folks.
		Maybe.
unidentified		Sound of the river, you're stopping your hole.
unidentified		Everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A disc that would fly, that would be really good.
unidentified		A band is blowing mixing.
unidentified		Double ball time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me rephrase that.
		Defy gravity.
		We are going to be right back.
		Red Alps on the way.
unidentified		Red Alps on the way.
		Coming in out of the rain, they hear the jazz cool down.
		Competition in another place.
		Competition in another place.
		Time, time, time.
		See what's become of me.
		Time, time, time to see what's become of me.
		While I looked around, all my possibilities, I was so hard to please.
		The ground, the winter ground, the sky is a hazy shade of winter.
		Yeah.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what it is.
		And it's time for an encore performance.
		Red Elk is an intertribal Native American medicine man.
		He's coming up next.
		He's a self-described half-breed Native American from both the Blackfeet and the Shoshone Nations, as well as part Irish and French.
		Member of the Hayoka, I believe it is, Contrarian Group of Native American Lost Boys, which he is one of the 12 inner of that group, one of the last nine members of the Red Web Society who are working to bring understanding to Earth.
		He is official keeper of the tunnels, official keeper of the pyramids, temporary caretaker of the flying red dragon drum, a very sacred drum on the Hopi Nation, and the altar carrier of the nations.
		Red Elk is called by both whites and full breeds as a bridge between the native people and all other religions, including the atheists.
unidentified		Gunshot
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been a very long time since we've had Red Elk on.
		His last appearance involved, without question, the best explanation we've ever had of what shadow people are and are not.
		You may recall, we had all sorts of people sending in photographs during the course of the program when Red Elk was on, and Red Elk is back tonight.
		That was an amazing program.
		Red Elk, it's good to have you back again.
		Where are you physically located?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Between Ellensburg and Clellum in eastern Washington, literally right alongside I-90.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's up in Mel's Hole country.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It is.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we've just recently been there again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard that there was a trek that took place by some people up in that area, sort of looking for Mel's Hole, but that they didn't find it, and they've decided they're going to go back again with a more serious attempt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		They did find his property, but they did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They found Mel's property?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you bet.
		Yes.
		Yeah, the trailer, everything.
		And there's a fence with strong warnings on it to keep out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
		And I told them that's it.
		I go no more.
		I go no closer.
		I've seen it.
		I've been there once, and they're crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Your Area 51 type rigs, you know, those white rigs that would pop up and watch you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		They came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, government.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, call them government if you want.
		They're unmarked.
		And two of them, one blue, one white.
		And the guy in blue, thank you, government.
		I'll say that to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it wasn't for them, it would have taken hours more to find his property.
		They parked right in front of the gate to make sure nobody went there.
		The gate that we've been going to, the place where I, you know, after many years of not being there, it seemed familiar.
		Well, it turns that yellow gate that I told you of, that's the back road into Mr. Waters' property.
		And they came by and got everybody's license numbers, and he's sitting there with one of those palm things, I guess, you know, kind of a palm computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, they noticed where he was parked across from, about a mile or a little more beyond where we've been looking.
		And I get pictures of it.
		If anyone's interested, it would be on the SeattleChatclub.org.
		And pretty.
		Well, anyway, again, thank you, Mr. Government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would say you've seen enough that you believe Mel Story is true.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The only problem with Mel Story that I, yes, I've seen enough to know that that's true, according to every description this gentleman has given out.
		Old trailers, the whole bit.
		There seems to be a brand new large, large building on that area with a big barn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		A few horses with a fence.
		And, you know, fence is a corral around the horses.
		Are you familiar with corrals, Mr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, very familiar.
unidentified		This corral is three feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, what are we corralling in there?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It's a good picture from the air, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red Elf, if this hole is there, and by the way, Mel has since described a second hole.
		You know that, right?
		Yes.
		The stories that have gone, for example, with the second hole, which is allegedly here in Nevada, are really, really incredible.
		I trust you've heard them.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Not the keeper of the tunnels, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, you're the keeper of the tunnels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did the second story hit you, and do you think there might well be a second hole here in my state?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Sir, every time you find one, you find a pair.
		They're all over the world.
		Kind of, we call them the nostrils of our mother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The nostrils of our mother earth, yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		One discharge is excessive, oh, harmful if you want, or like what would be viruses.
		You know, I'm not saying they are.
		It's just like you get a runny nose.
		One side runs, the other breathes.
		And so one side runs and the other breaths.
		Where you find one hole, you will always find another in a 25-mile radius.
		And again, they are not just here and not just down there in Nevada.
		And they're literally all over the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess we might as well go ahead and get the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think these holes connect to an inner earth, correct?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An inner earth with inner worlds within that earth.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but may I clarify that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		People have got the impression it's a ball floating inside a ball, floating inside a ball, you know, and on and on for five below us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The earth is dead solid all the way to its core with giant caves that decrease in size as it gets further and further towards the core.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		So if deep whalers or well diggers and whatever, you know, deep whalers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well drillers, yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever they're going for.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		If they happen to be digging above one of these caves, these are enormous caves, and especially the ones directly below us, they sometimes range 600 and 800 miles long, 200 and 300 miles wide, and in some places, almost three miles high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's something I had happened on my program that I would like to ask you about.
		I had a man call that said, in essence, that all holes in excess of 10,000 feet are classified.
		And he said that were he to give me any more information on the air compromise at U.S. security.
		So I said, fine, send me an email.
		He never did.
		Still, it sticks in my mind that he said that.
		And I wonder if you think there might be anything to that.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		From my information, it goes quite a bit above 10,000 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But at some point, Red Elk, is there a government clampdown classification that occurs?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I'll say no more.
		But yes.
		Well, I will say a little bit more.
		You know, I talked about lizard people and stuff, and people really think I'm out of my tree.
		I know.
		Well, that's all right.
		Hey, it's my tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's your tree, if you got that right.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And we do have interaction with these beings as well as a number of other beings.
		And these beings, the vast majority of them, are literally not of this planet.
		And the lizard beings, the Dracholians, they themselves have colonized this planet eons ago.
		Literally, not more than a blink, as far as time goes, from when Lucifer came.
		So they are colonized now from three of their own planets.
		And to them, this is home.
		It's just like you white people, America's your home.
		You've colonized it.
		And to the Indians, it's our home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We took it from you, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the way it was?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Sort of kinda, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of kinda?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Sort of kinda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least sort of kinda.
		So I guess most people want to know about what's below us.
		They want to know about these creatures that are not really human, that we can't call human.
		Well, the origins of these creatures, I mean, have they always been beneath our earth?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		They came shortly after Lucifer went in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a long time.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That's a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lucifer's been down there for a while now, I think.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And if you really want to know their workings, which is, first off, allow me to say they are humans.
		They just don't look human.
		Humans are people that have souls.
		All right?
		And all humans, no matter what planet they come from, no matter what they look like, are humans of their planet or soul-bearers.
		And so they're human.
		They're our brothers and sisters, just as you would be considered the brother or sister of each other because we look like two-legged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we have some sort of loose relationship to them?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Very loose, yes, but it's going to get pretty strong here shortly.
		It's already getting extremely strong.
		It's just they don't run around and show their face to the general public, but it will not be that way long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's about to be a connection between those below and those above?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps you would like to describe how that will occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what will happen?
unidentified		Hold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty interesting stuff.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I cannot tell you how because I do not know how.
		I just know it is to be.
		The interaction is going on every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say soon, then?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, soon within 25 years, well within 25 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's still a while.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I go from different time, so yes, it would be quite a while, I guess, to be two-legged to this earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You understand, of course, that the average person, when they think about what you're talking about, that is the beginning of interaction with lizard people here on the surface.
		Or, I don't know, maybe we'd go to them.
		Either way, that kind of interaction would be really frightening.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, the frightening part is the fact that we are interacting every day through shapeshifters and half-breeds, and you're not aware of it.
		And so far, the only way that I can nail one down, really nail one down, is having a photograph of that person.
		And especially in the shape-shifting end of it, a half-breed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, exactly.
		What would you look for?
		Well, if you had a photograph.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		If I have a photograph, it looks like somebody cut out a cardboard cutting like they do in the movie houses showing Bert Reynolds or God knows who, and they stick it there in the auditorium.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But only a photograph reveals that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By percentage of those photographs that you get-see, and those people you see casually or not so casually, how many do you see?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I've only seen one in photo, and that's because I don't run around with a camera taking pictures of crowds.
		It just happens to be one of the half-breeds that I deal with, and this guy was doing pretty good, but he'd changed without being aware that he's changed.
		I wasn't aware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, was?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You laid a past tense in there on me.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, he in his normal two-legged walk upon this earth, he's a half-breed.
		And you take a picture of this gentleman when he's in this mode, and he looks like any other picture of any other picture, you know.
		But they're so fast at shape-shifting, so fast at pulling out the, I don't know, the essence of the being himself, the one that's happy and slippy and cool bore, that sounds like a walk-in, what it's called a walk-in.
		And it happens so quickly that one minute the one that you know is there, and the next minute you still think you know that that's that one.
		But without a photograph, you don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you ever managed to get a photograph of anybody in the middle, of this person, in the middle of shape-shifting?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, first off, you're right.
		It's a person.
		But no, I haven't.
		Although I have seen them shape-shift, I just haven't got a photo of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, somebody is sort of halfway here and halfway there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a strange deal, but they're good at this, and there's a lot of interaction.
		You rub shoulders with them yourself, and I'm not aware of it.
		I'm sure of it, because there's that many running around here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no doubt of it.
		I rub shoulders, I'm sure, with, you know, the way I talk about all this stuff on the air, my friend, I'm rubbing shoulders with all kinds of things.
		I can feel it all around me, always have been.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can feel one now, another nut on the air, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You described some awfully big areas underneath the earth.
		Would there be a tactical advantage as a spiritual advantage?
		What advantages would there be for us to get down into these areas and make contact?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, like the long walkers that I spoke of before, the advantage is escaping the width-to-width effect that is going to go on very soon.
		And that started, you know, not too long ago in the first place.
		Everything, the Earth will flip or roll, if you want.
		It will be in a three-jerk, jerk, mind you, stage over a 10-month period.
		And Sweden will end up being the South Pole.
		And if you have a globe, put your finger where Sweden is.
		Well, put it above the South Pole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying that's where the North Pole is going?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That is right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's quite a flip.
		Red Elk, hold on.
		at the bottom of the hour.
unidentified		What?
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Uh-huh.
		What?
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again, y'all.
		What?
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is it good for?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		I despise.
		Cause it means the start of his life.
		Warm me in tears.
		And I was above the night.
		When I first go up to pain.
		Moon and star.
		Where would it go now that I lost the mark?
		You were gone.
		No.
		When I'm on it at the ball.
		You were gone.
		When you're born, it hits the ball.
		Music I'm far down the spiral.
		That's a message alone.
		Oh, bigger lecture.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		What we have here is a Native American medicine man.
		Now, this is pretty far out for a lot of you, I know, and pretty far out for me too.
		But you know something?
		There's a whole world of knowledge out there that we don't know a damn thing about.
		And that's what this man has studied all his life.
		He knows things that are so alien to you and I that it sounds, well, I know how it sounds.
		But before dismissing any of it, I think you should listen very, very carefully.
		A lot is pretty wild and pretty out there in the twilight zone, all right?
		But it's absolutely fascinating.
		He's the man who nailed down the shadow people for us.
		Tonight, we've got a lot to tackle.
		Stay right there.
		There's truly an entire world out there that most don't Understand.
		Many who listen to this program have sort of a hint, but basically there's an entire world out there that's a separate world from the one that we understand and think we revolve in proficiently.
		That would be the world of Red Elk.
		Here he is once again.
		Now, you're saying that you have information that is prompting you to come on the program tonight and talk about you've said all of it, meaning I guess for us, for humans, is coming down.
		What exactly do you mean?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Creator has got everything right on time.
		Everything is planned.
		Everything is working into his hands.
		Everything.
		People are worried about your weather shifts, your changes, and so on and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's quite a bit to worry about in that area, Red Elk.
		We just had 84 mile-an-hour winds scream across the desert Monday, and there's destruction all over the place.
		The weather is really turning on us.
		But you say that's only the beginning, eh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		To me, I believe everything started in 1996.
		It could have been earlier or it could have been later, but that's where I put it.
		And it's just going to get worse.
		But understand, it can be changed.
		It's only the greatest probability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's nail down what it is you're talking about.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		One word, Armageddon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Armageddon.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The end of the world.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
		The end of civilization.
		The world won't end for another somewhere until around the year 4,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the end of civilization.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		As we know it, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's big enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when all is said and done, and we'll get to whatever is going to do this here, I'm sure, shortly, after Armageddon, what will the world be?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		A mess.
		And it'll take 30 or 40 years for those who survive it to get back on their feet again.
		i'm asking what kind of world it will be and i understand mess but i mean That'll be a mess, all right.
		Almost every tree, animal, plant, and water will be gone or poisoned.
		But this is one reason that I'm ordered to teach what I've been ordered to, so that the knowledge that the medicine people and the red people have considered to be sacred is put out so that the survivors will have that knowledge.
		By learning now, it will pass through.
		Some people will remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand that a lot of people wouldn't want to live in a world like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd rather not be alive in the world you're describing.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		And I also understand people.
		Too many people, you know, they talk to talk, but when it comes to death, they sit there and fight it left and right.
		And you're going to have those that are going to fight it and make it through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it be a world that you would want to survive in?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It gives you the opportunity to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might even be at home in that world.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for a lot of people, I mean, what you're describing is indeed the end of civilization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now let's get down to what would cause the end of civilization as you see it all coming down.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, it boils down to the warfare that is right now going on.
		It is between Lucifer and the Creator.
		It started all over again, and the Unholy Four, which are four different alien beings, including the Drectolian race, the so-called Greys.
		We call them insects, or I like to call them bee people.
		A group, the Gargyles on that planet that's coming, that one that makes a big oval path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gargoyles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		They look like gargoyles.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Gargoyles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you are obviously referring to is the tenth planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the whole Sitchin story.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know the whole story.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		All I know is that dang thing is loaded with bear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And with gargoyles.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean gargoyles when I say bear.
		Yeah, they're the worst things in our solar system.
		They're just unbelievable.
		you know let me let me run out of the knowledge of the and so the lizards are really uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		almost uh...
		Oh, really?
		I thought you were going to say they're nothing compared to the garden.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, comparing the two, I'd rather hug a lizard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd rather hug a lizard.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then we're in trouble beneath and above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so to speak.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But less trouble beneath than above.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what about right here on the surface?
		Now, you mentioned the ongoing troubles.
		We've got trouble in the Middle East.
		Powell is over there right now, having essentially no success in stopping the fighting.
		The fighting is continuing.
		And, you know, of course, the Bible tells us that when Armageddon comes, it will come and begin in that exact area, of course.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		They're going about that all wrong.
		But again, we are on the path of the greatest probability.
		But it is still yet a probability.
		It can be changed.
		And we can turn everything around.
		You and I and the poorest Nation can be living in an utter paradise if we, as a mass of people, would put our mind together.
		And Mr. Bell, you have done it a number of times on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing at that level, Red El.
		I have done experiments that suggest what you may be saying could be true.
		I don't know.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you're doing, my friend, is quite scriptural, but, you know, two or more together in my name.
		And I'm not going to say that the name of Christ, I mean, I'm saying it, but you've got to remember what that two-legged being was.
		He was love on two legs.
		Any two together in love, in pure love, you know, not lust love or anything like that, but caring love, then they can change much.
		And if we as a world could gather together in love, or the majority of us worldwide, not just the United States, I'm speaking across our planet, and truly aim our love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I don't doubt that that is right, because then all hearts would change.
		But.
		And I also don't doubt that mass consciousness can do some things that are scaring me a little bit.
		I'll admit to all of that even.
		But I don't see those hearts changing right now.
		In fact, if you look at the present progression of events, there's more reason to believe that Armageddon is just a tick away, Red Elk.
		It's much easier to believe that than it is that all of these hearts are going to change.
		And the Palestinians are going to embrace the Israelis, and the Israelis are going to embrace all the Palestinians, even Yasser, and all get together and be peace.
		If I were a betting man, Red Elk, I don't think I'd be betting on that.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would be right alongside you.
		This is why this is the greatest probability.
		This is why Armageddon lose.
		But, again, it can be changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but if it is not changed, which I'm sorry, pragmatically, I consider much more possible, then what is going to happen?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mr. Bell, you don't understand the Creator's plan, and I'll try to narrow it real quick.
		Basically, Earth is a mousetrap in space.
		You and I are the cheese, and all people of all the creations in planes, times, and dimensions, not parallel times, are coming here.
		They are at this very moment battling above and around us.
		And they are laying, they're battling over you and I. And we're the cheese.
		We're the cheese.
		We have all the DNA of every soul-bearing being from day one, long before the earth was born, from day one in our bloodline.
		And the unholy four are claiming us as theirs, and the other says, wait a minute, they've got our bloodline too.
		Some people don't want to go to war, but they have no choice.
		So literally everybody is being drawn to the cheese, to the trap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't want to go to war, and yet I feel it is almost inevitable.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, you're correct, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just out of curiosity, without intervention, without change, Red Elk, how close do you suppose we are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much time is left if it goes all the wrong way?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		If it goes all the wrong way, again, I am overstretching because I'm shown things, I'm told things, but I'm never given the time frame ever.
		But I really, and I know this deep within my heart, I know, I mean, way above knowing, I know that I'm correct, that we are within the time frame of within 25 years.
		We're well within it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		25 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not very long, and that doesn't give people with children a lot of hope.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's so much hope out there.
		Everybody, you know, I tell the truth, at least as I know it, by the way, I represent the inner dihydrate, oh gosh, I'm tired, inner Haikuka society.
		I do not represent any American Indian tribe or nation at all.
		This is my society that I belong to.
		And under that, I want to make it clear, under that, this is why these things are being brought out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you call yourself a contrarian, right?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you called me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I read it.
unidentified		Well, I just read your contrast.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what contrarian means, but I'm contrary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a hypocrite.
		Nay, you don't know what it means.
		A contrarian is one who is totally opposite to the status quo.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		We call that just contrary.
		That extra one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got a contrary nature, huh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Lord, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but anyway, I'm doing this on orders, and I don't obey any man.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I don't obey any man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing this on whose orders?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The Creators.
		All 12 of us are doing it on the Creator's orders.
		There's only 12 inner Haoka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only 12 of you?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's hundreds of Haoka.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But there's only 12 on this planet that are inner Haoka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are the other 11?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		One's Japan, one's South America, one's Africa, one's Arabia.
		And he isn't there yet, but he's on his way to be there in about under two years.
		Let's see, one's in Europe somewhere, I can't remember, one's in Russia.
		Gee, I can't nail them all.
		But we all have our little areas of work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in North America?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, are you in contact with the other?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three others.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And their view?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Our view is identical.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		We're all trained identical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Then I suppose the inevitability of this appears now even greater.
		Listen, I want to ask you about something that perhaps coming up after the break that was brought up the other day on the program.
		And I don't know exactly what category it fits in, but I've begun to receive emails and communications from a whole lot of people in my audience about mirrors.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you really, you heard something about that?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, I heard a part of the program before it crashed.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to read you a particularly interesting email.
		I literally, I've got hundreds of them now.
		it's one of those things that got brought up on the program, and apparently there's something about a mirror that gives one...
		I really just don't know.
		I'll read you the story and let you see what you think.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But do you know mirrors to have I know mirrors that trap events?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trap events?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trap events.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I know walls that trap events.
		Mountains, valleys that trap events.
		Not ghosts, just the past caught on film in a strange way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, there's science to back you up.
		I'm told that one day when we know how to do it, we will be able to actually extract memory from things like windows.
		You could actually download the memory of that window.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Bell, a surprise to you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The medicine people do know how to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, with the Creator in all things and with the ability to in tune yourself to the Creator, you can talk to a mirror.
		You can talk to a road and say, where did the killer go?
		And the road's connected to another road and another road.
		And you can trace it like a bloodhound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can actually converse with these things.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		Even the great one, the pale one, the two-legged love on two legs, he said the rocks could shout.
		He talked to a tree.
		It responded, you betcha.
		You betcha.
		And I can guarantee there's a lot of people that come to me.
		I take them on a tree trip.
		And afterwards, I take them outside.
		And the vast majority speak with trees.
		And it shakes them up.
		One, the last time, spoke with a stone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a rock.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		A big one, yeah.
		It literally became a face and spoke to him.
		And he came in.
		He came in, well, he, yeah, he sure that was an experience for that guy.
		Now, you can even meditate sitting in front of a toilet seat.
		Can you imagine that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are some things perhaps better not imagine.
		For safety here, let's get back to the rock part.
		What did the rock say to this person?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It was all on film.
		The people went out at my orders after this little exercise I teach.
		And all of them went out.
		One had so many things chatting, he couldn't decide which one was chatting at him.
		So he got a lot of nothing in the long run.
		But I knew one would be speaking to a rock.
		I had no idea who.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people, really, and I'm certainly included in that group, trust me, would want to know what a rock has to say or even that.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Actually, sir, you and I, the human race, are far dumber than a rock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a bag of rocks, huh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Just one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're dumber than a rock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what sense?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, first off, you've got to recall the rock, no matter its size, it breeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, really?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, really.
		It rocks and rolls and becomes smaller and smaller and becomes sand and then mixes with organic material and becomes mud and dirt.
		And then along comes a volcano and it grows up again and it starts the whole process again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the life of a rock, which is no doubt where we have derived the expression, life is a rock.
		Or is it life is a bitch and then you die?
		Well, anyway.
unidentified		Back in the USA, back in the bad old days.
		In the heat of a summer night.
		In the heat of a summer night.
		Full of dreams to last a year.
		In Seattle.
		In Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing this for Red Elk.
unidentified		When it's time to leave your home.
		And your loved ones.
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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, in song, I couldn't get much closer than Seattle.
		He's not in Seattle, of course.
		He's closer to Bell Toll, but it's as close as I can get.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Red Elk, who's a Native American contrarian, an interesting turn of a phrase there, eh?
		Is my guest, and we're talking about talking to rocks at the moment.
		We're going to get right back there, too.
		Stay right where you are.
		All right, I can't leave this rock thing for a moment.
		I do have something on mirrors, but I really...
		Red Elk, but here you are saying...
		Because they're white and just starting to learn, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't think that a rock as a whole would have a lot to contribute.
		Now, some rocks, perhaps, more than others, depending on where they've been and what they've been doing, I guess.
		But I'm serious.
		What could be derived?
		What information, if you could communicate in some manner with a rock, could you possibly get?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You speak as if I don't, if I could.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I know.
		I don't mean to sound doubtful.
		I'm trying to ask an honest question.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Here's one instance.
		I was working on a construction site.
		I'd been ordered, they had made a ditch, and I'd been ordered to dig out this rock.
		Well, dang, I had spent, I was in my second day, and it was not a big rock.
		It wasn't even half my size.
		It was a little, I doubt if the thing weighed more than 42 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you weigh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		All right.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm down from 293 to 178.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so that would still be a pretty good-sized rock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're under.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking size-wise, not weight-wise.
		And anyway, man, this thing was getting me ticked off.
		And boy, I got so darn mad at it, I started talking to it.
		And really, I'm basting the poor bugger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Wait a minute.
		Why were you upset with the rock?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You want to dig a rock that size for two days?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely not.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, neither did I. I was out there in this heat digging this stupid thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And it was just hanging on to the earth.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It was like it had arms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And finally, I really lambasted into it.
		And the darn rock said, I am holding the roots of that tree.
		And you could get the idea of it pointing to that tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the rock told you that it was an important aspect of the tree.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then what did you do?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I said the equity.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I got a job to do, and by golly, let go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're coming out of there, or I'll blow you to bits.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Just about.
unidentified		If I had the dynamite, I would have done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but you know how people are going to think of this, Red Oak?
		I guess some of us, in the same sense, would talk to a rock like that.
		I mean, we might, but we would not.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, all medicine people talk to things that you think a piece of wood is a tree is a living thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Red Oak, I talk to my car.
		But I've got to be honest with you.
		My car, at least as of yet, has not responded in any way I can discern.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Someday, if you break down in that desert of yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did once, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, talk to the park.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Talk to the Creator who's in all things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, actually, when it broke down, I did talk to it.
		I mean, I got up on the mountain, and the fuel pump went.
		I mean, it was brand new, right?
		And the fuel pump went.
		And I said a lot of things, probably most of them really unkind, for several hours.
		My wife and I both did.
		In fact, she had words with it as well.
		But you see, it didn't answer.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've literally had the same problem, a fuel pump, just making a small pond under my truck and no money to fix it, no way to get it fixed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very bad.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		So I walked around it and prayed and spoke with it in prayer, knowing that I am praying to the God who is in all things, the Creator who is in all things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you prayed to or for your fuel pump?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It stopped leaking.
		I drove all the way home on an empty tank, some 47 and a half miles, with said empty on my gauge.
		I got to my driveway.
		I got out.
		I shut the door.
		Bang, it started leaking again.
		And it was so dry, it only leaked the gasoline that was stuck in the uphill side running down of gasoline of the fuel line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe, you know, maybe it worked.
		In my case, I really only transmitted very negative things to it.
		Increasingly negative, actually, as the hours wore on, and finally, this guy with this big flatbed thing comes along and hikes it up and takes us to a place where I said further unkind things about it to other people, in fact.
		Anyway, it's a long story, but it never worked out well.
		Next time, maybe I'll try a different approach with it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Mr. Bell, there are no accidents.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You learn from every aspect of your life if you've got a half a brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't know about that either.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should learn.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You know, bad things happen to people, and it's not until maybe years later that they realize how they've grown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to read you something, and I want you to digest this and tell me what we're dealing with.
		I'm going to do this.
		I think I'm going to do a program on this subject Friday.
		I have been receiving some of the most intriguing emails since the subject was broached in an open line segment last week, and I knew this was going to blow wide open.
		And, well, here, listen.
		Dear Mr. Bell, recently you talked briefly on your show about people who have had strange experiences with mirrors.
		I'd like to share with you and your listeners something strange that's happened to me over the period of several decades, actually, now.
		Some years ago, whenever I'd look in a mirror, I would see this relatively good-looking young man looking back at me.
		Now, I came to accept this as pretty close to reality.
		When I'd smile, he'd smile back.
		I kind of enjoyed looking at mirrors.
		I even looked forward to my encounters with this young man.
		After some years, the young man disappeared.
		And suddenly, one day, I looked in the mirror, and I saw this ugly old fat man staring back at me.
		Somewhere in the eyes, I could see the vestiges of the younger man who used to inhabit the mirrors.
		But this was and still is in no way any reflection, no pun intended, I guess, or any sort of reality.
		No matter what I have done, the young man refuses to resurface.
		I suspect he's been kidnapped by the shadow people, or perhaps fallen into Mel's hole, or maybe even been led astray by the whisperings of Ramona's cat.
		But it's my cat, actually.
		But it whispers to her.
		But for some reason, he refuses to return.
		I've not mentioned this strange set of events to more than just my closest friends.
		The ones I've dared share it with have suggested that maybe my problem lies closer to home.
		One even suggested plastic surgery.
		Of course, you and I know the problem actually lies in the strange happenings inside my mirror.
		I thought maybe you should warn your listeners to watch for this kind of thing.
		It can ruin your day.
		Signed Rick.
		Now, there's a hell of a story, huh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, especially signed Rick.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It sounded like some crazy old chick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be dying.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And I can explain some of this, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be my guest.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, I have gotten three, they call themselves physicists.
		It's kind of a hard word for me to say.
		To say, and they want me to train them.
		And I was talking to one, and we got on the now this is this will take just a bit, but we got on to talking about dimensions and what our earth is doing, getting ready to flip, it's causing a vibration and stuff.
		But nevertheless, and it's changing us.
		It's making us blurring our mind, okay?
		So that we're starting to see things that were unseeable, know things that were unknowable, except for people as myself and others in medicine and deep Wakai or Holiness, and deep meditators, deep thinkers.
		And this is what's helping cause it.
		But on this talk, I asked him, what do you see dimensions to look like?
		And he said, well, Mr. Redoke, to us, or at least to me, like a ribbon.
		I said, this is good.
		I do too.
		And I said, what about the ribbon?
		How many sides does it have?
		And he says, it's got two sides.
		And I laughed and I said, come on, use it.
		This is this thing brain.
		I said, you say two sides.
		Think again.
		And he thought, and then it clicked, you know, by golly, the up, the down, and each side of the ribbon.
		And now this guy's improving, right?
		So now he's got four sides of the ribbon.
		And I said, great, now.
		Think again.
		And he couldn't get it.
		There's the inside.
		Now, understand it.
		Look at it as a white ribbon that is wavering.
		He sees it as that, you know, wavering, weaving, but turning around about itself, tying itself in light knots, untying itself.
		And every time it rubs and twists and turns, it creates holes or rippings of bells, if you want, where things become clearer that were never seen before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that what's going on with a mirror?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That's just part of what's going on, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am getting a ton of reports about some really strange stories in mirrors.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		This, sir, is just you're just starting.
		You're within the iceberg, but still on the edge.
		There's so many things that are going to be happening that through this dimensional shift, through the mousetrap and the cheese and all coming to it, it's all related.
		It's all metachrilation, and it's all for the great shift that's coming on our planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When people say to you that you're nuts, what do you tell them?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I just kind of, you know, look at them in the eye and put my finger to my lips and go that's that's well, I don't know if that's a big improvement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but you know you just let them continue with what you consider to be their delusion, right?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have their opinion.
		I have my opinion.
		I know rocks can talk.
		I have been helped by rocks.
		I've talked to water, told not to drink.
		I am polluted.
		Go down the road on an unknown road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you have had water warn you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Not just warn, but actually audibly speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Direct you to a better source.
		Yes.
		Oh, wait a minute.
		You said audibly speak.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's what I was going to ask.
		In other words, it's not just the sound of the rushing water forming a voice saying, yeah, right.
		This is in your head.
		It actually appears.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But I guarantee you, you know it's not your thoughts.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's so much out there, Miss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I know this is out on the edge of all things that we could even remotely consider possible, but again, it doesn't really get in a giant dispute with current theoretical physics.
		And there are a lot of things we don't know.
		And it may well be that things can transmit information to human beings.
		I don't rule that out.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But, Mr. Bill, there would be a lot of murders, a lot of missing people found, or at least alive or dead.
		If people would just learn how, and it can be done.
		There was a program a few years back, one of these old East Wanted, you know, or mystery things, and a lady had disappeared up here in the States in Eastern Washington.
		Her bones have called me for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Her bones?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		She was murdered.
		I've seen how it happened.
		I saw how she was lured there.
		I saw where she was buried.
		I know where she's at.
		And I know so much they'd nailed me for the murder.
		My wife has asked me over, oh, at least at minimum three times, honey, why don't you call the police and tell them where it's at?
unidentified		And I says, I don't want to get arrested, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right then, Red Elk, I'm going to read you something else.
		I was going to hold this for a future date, but I cannot resist.
		This appeared in a Manila newspaper on March 4th, 2002, a Manila newspaper.
		The headline is, Mysterious Voice Leads to Mass Grave.
		A mysterious voice heard by a woman was said to have led authorities to a common grave in the central Philippines, a province which was allegedly used by communist guerrillas in its purging campaigns.
		Now, listen, a woman in her 30s who introduced herself simply as Eling Inde told reporters who visited the unmarked common gravesite at a remote village in Maban, M-A-U-B-A-N town, that she had recently had paranormal experiences.
		Quote, I kept hearing a mysterious female voice calling for help so that she and her companion could rest in peace.
		The voice asked me not only to pray for their souls, but to search for their grave.
		She added, she said she sought the help of the military who sent soldiers, get this, sent soldiers to dig an area close to this woman's house in the San Miguel district.
		Colonel Evren Oban, task force commander, said they knew the area had been a communist rebel camp during the 1980s.
		Even though I suspected the grave was a mass burial site of the NPA, New People's Army, I was still surprised when we discovered the piles of human skeletons, he says.
		The remains of five people thus far have been dug up from the common grave.
		A separate pit contained belongings of what the military claimed were victims of communist executions.
		One of the skeletons was presumed to belong to a woman because of the pink stripes on the blouse that was there and that was still intact.
		It appeared they were executed hastily.
		And in fact, they are just simply shocked at what this woman has led them to.
		But she says that a voice led her to lead the military to this mass grave.
		That's a story from Manila.
		Red Elk, that sounds an awful lot like what you were just talking about.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mr. Vel, yes, let me make a comment here.
		For all people that are listening, please.
		Christians, you know, I myself am a Christ follower, a Christian.
		That's what the word means.
		But nevertheless, that's neither here nor there.
		But the world of Christians say that to talk to the dead is ungodly, unholy, and blah.
		On and on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But I say, you believe the word of God.
		Oh, yes, 100%.
		Absolutely.
		And I tell them flat out, I look them in the eyes and I say, sir, oh, ma'am, you are a liar.
		Because Christ said, follow me.
		Andy, what are you going to do about this one that says, follow me, do what I do, learn what I learn?
		And he's up there on a mountaintop talking to three dead guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red Elk, on that note, hold it right there.
		That is my guest, Red Elk.
		And we are talking of all kinds of very strange things, which will continue if you'll stay right there.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I know is there's a very great deal beneath the Earth and above the Earth that we just don't know much about.
		And when a woman in the Philippines leads the military to a mass grave based on a voice pleading for her to help so that these souls can rest, and it happens, it really works.
		Or when somebody looks in a mirror and sees something that ought not be there, to me that means there's a big world out there we just don't understand, both below, above, and right here on Terra Firma.
		That's one of the areas that Red Elk talks about.
		I know a lot of people go, you are out of your mind.
		Maybe?
		Maybe not.
		Well, we've had a giant coronal explosion on the sun, and that baby's right headed straight at Earth, as a matter of fact, impacting Earth now.
		And that has had an effect on my clocks here, my atomic clocks temporarily.
		We're having a real absorption event going on.
		It's kind of like evaporation in a way.
		I suppose it's relative.
		And so we've got that going on and a lot of other technical, interesting things going on.
		And by golly, here comes John from Wenatchee, Washington, who recalls my precognitive experience with something telling me that my car was going to be hit.
		You remember that?
		I've told you that story many times.
		I'm not going to go over it now.
		But he says, hey, Art, your car has talked to you.
		Who do you think it was who told you that it was going to be hit so long ago when you had that experience?
		It was your car.
		Could be, could be.
		Red Elk, you're back on the air again.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's wrap this little piece up with I'm not off of the subject at Bach Ramirez.
		Actually, we're right on it.
		We're reading a story.
		And this woman who heard this voice, she's probably Catholic.
		Most of those over there are at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The majority of Filipinos are Catholic, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Not all, but most.
		Majority, you know, to come forth with this, you know, scary to her.
		And I was mentioning, what are you going to do with our two-legged love, you know, on our mountaintop with talking to three dead men?
		The fact is, and this goes to the whole thing, the fact is we're not to call up the dead.
		If they show up, what are you going to do about it?
		You understand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The Christians have got it.
		Oh, they're burying themselves because of their stupidity.
		Boy, John, I make friends.
		But nevertheless, the mirror and things like that, all of this, the voices, the mirrors, it's all this twisting and turning of the ribbon and the ripping of the veils and the vibration of the inner earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but just out of curiosity, Red Elk, why would a mirror be a doorway to see or hear things that you cannot otherwise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What properties in a mirror?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Meets me, Mr. Bell.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		All I know is these things happen and they're going to get far, far more brisk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are going to be more and more of them, huh?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I almost said brizure.
		Brazil?
		That's the word I'm looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bizarre.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, on my website I speak to this.
		We're in for a change, and you can't help it.
		You're either going to turn like a green reed and bend with what's happening, or stand there with your back straight and bust off.
		There's a big change.
		We're in it.
		It's not coming.
		We're there.
		It's just getting stronger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do believe that.
		We're in the middle of a change, all right?
		And the weather appears to be leading the way.
		You know, again, I go to what's going to happen after all of this change occurs and what kind of world we're going to have, and what kind of people are going to be the ones that are going to make it from here to there.
		I take it it's going to be a relatively small percentage compared to the 6.
		Yes, all right.
		Well, there are presently almost 6 billion people on the earth, if not by now more.
		So if you're talking about a few million, maybe 10 million people surviving, that's almost everybody dying.
		But over those who do make it, Red Elk, dire as this prediction is, what kind of people are most likely to make it?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Sir, every race, every creed, every color, and a mixed mash from rich to the poorest.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It is almost like throwing lots, and snake ice comes up out of 400 dice at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you're saying that there is no particular kind of spiritual person that's going to make it, and it's going to be a virtual Noah's ark of a sample of almost everything on earth.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what I'm saying.
		And only those that go through it and survive are those that the Creator has chosen.
		What will happen?
		You'll have 30 to 40 years of pure survival, deep survival, picking up a rock to hit another rock to make a knife, not knowing how to nap it into a sharp edge, but just busting rock against rock to cut.
		People in time will, a big city will be 16 mud huts like in Africa, made up of mud and what little vegetation they can find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that means that everything we now know, our big cities, our industrial might, our military might, our infrastructure, you said roads would essentially be gone.
		You'd only find short portions of them.
		What is it, Red Elk, that could do this kind of incredible, just incredible, unbelievable damage?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The same thing, my brother, that took down the city of Atlantis II, that's one down there in the Bahamas.
		Number one is under ice in South Pole to Maine.
		Atlantis was an island country stretching all the way across, most underwater, now or under ice.
		And it will be Earthship or...
		Oh, gosh, my lips are dry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Take a good deep breath.
		Take a good deep breath and take a drink of water.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I got a good old Pepsi here.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Do you mind if I take a sip?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Hang on.
		Hang on.
		Let's tell somebody about that great CC radio.
		I got two of them.
		I just wish I had modern ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have two CC radio?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got one of them rock and roll wind-ups.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It looks like a great big old giant lunch box.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a Beijing radio with a crank, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I love it.
		And so do the people that come.
		We go out into my lodges and just crank away, you know.
		But it doesn't last quite as long as they claim.
		And so I do it between on-commercial times just to make sure I don't, you know, have it dead when you get into a hot area and the dang thing dies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to crank for about 30 seconds.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you crank like crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the earlier models, you may have an early model.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The new Super Bayesian Radio will give you...
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Once a year, my wife and I, when income tax comes in, we make agreement on what we can buy and can't buy.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And I got one of those a few years back, and then I got this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a few years back.
		Oh, well, there you are.
		You've got one of the very old models.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I would love one with that flashlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, listen to me now.
		The newer models, yeah, with the LED light will last, in fact, 35 minutes for 30 seconds of cranking.
		That's how far the technology has come since it's matter.
		It works.
unidentified		I know.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've obviously been using it for years, so that tells people how long they last.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then I got one of those that bring in all stations, and I'm living in a little 8 by 26-foot camp trader.
		That's home.
		And I've got a great big, expensive stereo thing here, and I have to string wires across the ceiling.
		I still can't pick nothing up worth a darn.
		But I turn on that other one, and Lord Almighty, I'm a third of the way across the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is two days in a row.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had unsolicited testimonials from my guests.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got another one.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you might spend the loot, but it is worth every penny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		All right, all right, all right.
		Red Elk, back, if you don't mind, to the inner earth.
		It's something people are really interested in.
		I have a question for you.
		If, Red Elk, if I have an opportunity to go to Mel's hole, to go to this second hole here in my state described by Mel, should I go or would it be dangerous?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, it's only dangerous when the military owns it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And it's only dangerous if you happen to fall into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, short of all of that, short of, I guess Motor doesn't have this one yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, given time, given time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I did hear, as I'm sure you heard, about this hole down in Nevada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, this thing that fell into the hole, the dog that fell into the hole, or went into the hole, and what came out of this animal.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, first off, there's a magazine called Spectrum, S-P-E-C-T-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I've heard of it, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		They interviewed me, and I fell asleep three times reading my own interview.
		And I did.
		But boy, am I a moppy guy.
		What did they interview you?
		But anyway, that's OG, everything, these tunnels and everything.
		And I explained that.
		I explained how it cuts through very many parallel times, blowing out these strange coins.
		And if a dog did come out, why and how it managed to go through that from death to life.
		What Mr. Mels was talking about down in the new hole with this poor sheep, by the way, the sheep did die of a heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of a heart attack.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		The fear was so great, it couldn't take it.
		And what that beasty little thing was, I asked the inner queen, what was that all about?
		And she told me a new name I'd never heard of called rock flyers.
unidentified		And they are a form of angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say the name again, please.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Rock flyers.
		They literally live in stones, and they are a form of angels that she claims, now I'm only going by what she's told me, are the totems or the angels of the fairies and gnomes and stuff, and literally the same totems that our Indian people carry.
		They come from inner earth.
		A totem is not a totem pole.
		We're speaking a totem or a protector.
		See, we didn't have the Jewish angels with wings and white and white looks.
		We, you know, the Creator didn't leave anybody alone.
		He knew what we could accept.
		And so anyway, what came, she said, what Mr. Waters had, and it's not his name, but anyway, what Mr. Waters said or happened was a strange being coming up.
		She said, this is extremely rare.
		It happens just a few times in many, many centuries.
		This being, this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But whatever it is, yes, but whatever this was, almost like the movie Alien, emerged.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It was an angel, sir, that took the opportunity, a rock flyer angel, that took the opportunity to get up out of the inner earth, to face Mr. Waters, to heal him, and then jump back in or dive back in and become the rock flyer again.
		It literally took on the opportunity, and it came out strange, and she claimed this is extremely rare, and she could not emphasize that strong enough.
		She was not crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But she believed it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is the inner queen.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		you better darn well know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You realize to most people how crazy this whole inner earth thing sounds.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, Mr. Bell, inside the earth, where the lizards have claimed their realm, it is really our own military should learn this.
		They walk down through the tunnels that connect their caves and homes in the caves.
		And it's really strange.
		Their body heat or whatever lights the tunnels about 20, 30 feet in front of them, and it goes out about 10 feet behind them.
		And even though you and I would peek our head out and look at the tunnel, you couldn't see anything.
		It was so far down, you'd poke your eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would seem like an appropriate evolutionary path for a being that lived beneath the ground where there's not light as we understand it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's a phosphorus green, and you can read by it.
		And these Dracolian people, you've got to remember, just because they look kind of stupid, you know, scary, it does not mean they're dumb.
		And by the way, they are the ones that have tremendous amount of reason for these inserts these people are having, you know, that they're getting.
		These little pieces of glass-like things that are put in ears and arms and whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're now referring to what we call implants, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a word, yeah.
		And you just don't realize what these people do, these inner beings.
		They walk around in these tunnels, and if they get a hunger, a thirst, you know, if they want a shot of liquor, they have actual machinery.
		Like you and I would go to a motel and go and get a pop out of a machine.
		They would go down the hall, go to a machine, and they got little bells and whistles on it, little handles and all that jazz, all electronic.
		And they can see above earth and spot the one or more who have these inserts and cause problems, and they suck the energy, the fear, the, well, if it's a rape, they get the fear of the woman being raped, for instance.
		Or if it's a bombing at the school.
		Man, I tell you, these people are causing more trouble than you people have any idea about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't doubt it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they suck on this like you and I would suck on a straw with pop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we know that there is an evil force that appears to be acting upon certain people.
		Now, others would say, oh, no, no, no, it's just will of man.
		But really, in some cases, it's so far out, and what is done is so impossibly awful and evil that it's almost, it's pretty easy to imagine there is an external force acting to make this happen.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, the funny part about it, Mr. Bell, is the fact that these people, and they are people, they are soul-bearers, these people believe, and they do, that they are God, big G. And as God, they can do anything they want.
		They do not believe in God.
		They do not believe in Lucifer.
		And yet they do not know that it is Lucifer who is pulling their chain.
		They are one of the first, these unholy four are one of the first of his races takeover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they are, in modern parlance, unwitting dupes for the devil.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but they don't know it.
		They're so stupid, they just have no idea.
		And in their so-called godness, they do anything with you and me that they want.
		And you know, there's an easy way to get rid of these darned inserts.
unidentified		And that is...
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Everything that we in medicine people do is all mental.
		You can make them absorb into your skin and go out to drought or in sweat.
		You can literally make them turn into what would be, well, they're not that size, but just as an example, into a raisin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the purpose of the sweat lodge?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you said make them disappear in your sweat.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, guys, take a leak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go to the bathroom.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I was trying to be nice, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You're in a body and goes up to drought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought we were talking about that.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And you can change them from what, you know, grape to raisin, or you can do the cool one.
		You can change them to gold.
		And when they fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I've got to take a break here and go get rid of a devil.
		And we'll be right back.
		My guest is Red Elk.
		And I am going to turn him over to you.
		This is your opportunity.
		You've heard some absolutely off-the-wall, wild stuff tonight, and you can either regard it that way or think that you're hearing something that you can relate to.
		It'll be interesting to see exactly what you think it really will, Will.
		So coming up after the break, we're going to the phones with Red Elk.
		This should be something.
unidentified		I wish you would do labor.
		Pretty labor.
		Lightning flashed across the sky.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The night.
unidentified		The gates of the factories My mom doing the laundry.
		Hanging out shirts in the dirty breeze.
		And after it rains, there's a rainbow.
		And all of the colors are black.
		It's not that the colors are there.
		It's just imagination relaxed Everything's the same back In my little town, my little town Nothing but
		forgetting I'm back in my little town Nothing but forgetting I'm back in my little town call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		My guest is Red Elk, and he's a Native American contrarian, kind of an interesting guy in so many ways.
		He talks about an inner earth and so many more things that I thought this hour I'm going to turn him over to you and see what you'd like to know about.
		Red Elk is a very unusual person.
		It all continues in a moment.
unidentified		It all continues in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and all right.
		I thought I would take Red Elk now and put him on the telephone with some of you out there.
		How about that, Red Elk?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Could you wait just a few short minutes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm in complete command.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can do whatever I want.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are some things that I would like to put out to you.
		First, I finally got to the bottom of the December show's mail, where at least I could actually see the bottom of the last box.
		And danged if you didn't play it again.
		And people are, I still haven't got done with December Mail.
		And people are wondering, and I'm getting some angry letters.
		And my gosh almighty, we had to rent an outhouse because our little bathroom in this trailer is packed with mail.
		Both back seats are packed with mail.
		I pick up mail every day.
		Sir, I started that because I wanted to make this postmaster get off his belt and do something.
		And, oh boy, it worked.
		But talk about white man's revenge.
unidentified		It sure backfired on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're saying, in other words, that a million people wrote to you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Not a million, no, but I have shaved my finger the thing six times now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so do you want more mail or do you want to?
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I've got a website, and I'm getting it on the website now, and I'm trying to answer the mail on the website.
		She's not letting me get to the mail there.
		And I've got prisoners, the Hayokas that are not Indians, that's looking for help, and I put them all aside so whenever I get a break, I can write one letter, hit my little button on this God-given computer, and send them every, you know, all of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then do you want email?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I don't want that either, but I do have a website.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		What I want, sir, is I want my life back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want your life back?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Gee, I was an obscure nobody, and now I'm an unobscure nobody.
		Oh, gee.
		Well, a world of change here, and everybody thinks of making money hand over fist.
		Holy mackerel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how you're making money.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I started putting these lessons out on the website.
		People can buy it.
		I have written over 700 replies on how to levitate by hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know a lot of them.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		One way out of all of those, over 700.
		I counted them.
		I do have two people doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have two people?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but that's about average.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		After your instructions, Red Elk.
		Two people that are successfully levitating off the ground.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And her young daughter, the daughter is real good at it.
		She'll get up and tell her mom, Mom, I'm going to go fly now and take off.
		Levitate, you know, lift.
		Oh, I. And the mother, she's scaring everybody.
		I think she belongs to these line dancers, hill-billy dancing things, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And, you know, they click, click, click, jump, click, click, click, jump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, she goes so high, it scares the hell out of everybody.
		Yeah, yeah.
		And she wrote me, she's worried.
		What are we going to do about this thing?
unidentified		I said, well, that's why we don't do it in public, you idiot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me understand then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're selling on your website levitate.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And I got Indians ticked off giving sacred knowledge and making money and watch out for this guy.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		He's a con.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just because you're teaching people to levitate.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, to them, you know, this is sacred stuff that I'm teaching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So as far as they're concerned, you should not be charging people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I see.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It's okay that a medicine man gets paid when they come to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And I've got thousands coming to me, and they can't afford to come here, and they want to learn.
		I have never seen, I didn't know there were so many people that wanted to grow spiritually.
		And I'm only one man.
		I've asked for help from the medicine people, and, you know, shoot, no, they're going to let their ego control them.
		They're going to let the ways, if the world goes on, it's probable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you don't.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		They're going to let the ways die out.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And our survivors, you'll be lucky if they do survive just because of their stupid ego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you probably don't want to give out your address so they can actually come visit you and they're going to be able to do it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, my address is, shoot, I don't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't give it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't give it away.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, except for guys' sakes, you ought to see my website.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		You ought to see the guests say.
unidentified		Ooh, ooh-ee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, anything else you want to get out before phone calls?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Inserts, I'll finish that.
		You can change them to love.
		And when these lizards dial in on you, they think they're sucking in a good drink, and it's like bile.
		And it just, oh, gosh, I got them kicked off.
		It's me.
		And I, well, if anybody wants it, you know, many have asked me to come and teach that these are all across the United States, many in each state.
		And I can't afford to get back to them and say, well, you get a hold of so-and-so.
		They want it too.
		I don't have their permission.
		But if people would like to set up chat clubs, get a gathering together where I can afford to drive there.
		I'm not going to fly there.
		I've got stuff in my medicine bag.
		Nobody gets in my medicine bag, damn it.
		And I'm not going to let any of those airplane people get in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would have to let them inspect your bag, wouldn't you?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		They ain't about to.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to go, so that means I drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think they would do if they inspected your bag, Red Elk?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just curious.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, just the fact that they would get in there and touch it is against all to me.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that is sacrilege.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Now, listen, a lot of people want to talk to you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Okay, real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you ready?
unidentified		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Chat clubs, if anybody?
		And please, please think of this.
		All people, start envisioning what you want the seventh generation ahead to be like.
		Envision it.
		Look what the good you want your seventh grandchildren's to be.
		Envision it now and work towards that goal.
		Now let's go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most people can't even envision where their own child's life is going, Red Elk, much less seven generations away.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Red Elk.
		Hello.
unidentified		Aloha, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aloha.
unidentified		And the same to you, Red Elk.
		I'm Kathleen from Kona.
		A little aside, I did get a reply from your December show, and thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there you go, Red Elk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, there's somebody you communicated with.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, believe me, I communicated with a lot.
unidentified		You did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Now, here was my question, though, Red Elk.
		I have a friend, and most recently, she, in passing comment, told me about the lizard person that she had begun seeing, and that this lizard person was in the back of her car, but has become more prominent, and as she said, a part of her family.
		Now, I didn't know what to make of it, so I made nothing of it to her.
		But if there is an upside or a downside, and if there is anything that I can advise her, how would I go about that?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		First off, she has a lizard showing up like that to my sister because she has these danged inserts in her.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Now, She has welcomed the dang thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Implants, in other words.
unidentified		Yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		She has welcomed this dang thing.
		She has put herself in extreme danger, and anybody that is involved with her will be very much in danger in time.
		They're making themselves known more and more.
		They want full control of everyone on our surface.
		Make no doubt about that.
unidentified		Were these implants, when you say she welcomed them, I mean were they something that were put there without her knowledge?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		As a child.
unidentified		Ah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And probably, you asked her about missing time many times.
		The majority of these people, I would say 100%, that have missing time have these implants.
		Thank you, Mr. Bill.
unidentified		Is there anything I can do as her friend?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Follow what I told you.
unidentified		To pray.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Pray as, honey, prayer works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's try this.
		Thank you, ma'am.
		Go ahead and give that a shot.
		In the meantime, Red Elk, I'll bet you know Pamela Stonebrook, don't you?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never heard of her?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Pamela Stonebrook is somebody I initially interviewed some years ago.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The one with the painted hair?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Red Elk, the one with the painted hair, wait a minute, who's having an ongoing physical, sexual relationship with a lizard.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And enjoying it every minute of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she claims, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, these things, they're horny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're horny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what she said.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But with what you just said about the lizard people, it doesn't sound like, you know, she's hooking up with the right kind of lizard.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		See, there is no right kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would say that she is doing a very, very dangerous thing.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, she sure is courting fire.
		And I'm not talking hail on her head.
		She is, oh, geez.
		But then again, she's partly controlled.
		I'll bet you on it, Mr. Bell.
		I can look at a person and see the inserts and point and touch it and say, have you been hurting here?
		And, well, gee, yeah, for many years.
		It's a danged insert in implants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Implants, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I see these things in people's bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with red elk.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got two questions I'd like to ask.
		About three years ago, I had a dream where the world was, it wasn't so much engulfed as just a wall of flame went around the planet, and the only people that survived were the ones that were in touch with the so-called animal side of them.
		Would there be anything to that dream?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It would be so true, sir.
		The next time around, my friend, which is very shortly, this world will come close to being destroyed mostly by fire.
		And consider when the earth flips, all the electrical wiring that's cracking around, live, starting fires, people with candles falling, starting fires.
		We get a mess ahead of us.
		And those, only those who are spiritually in tune with the Creator and all things, including nature, these are the ones that can make it.
		I'm not going to say they will.
		I say they can.
		In the military that are running down into the holes.
unidentified		My other question, is this possible that someone would be like one of these half-breeds that you're talking about?
		Because I've always felt deep down that I was what the old Norse or the Vikings called the Berserker, which means bear man in their language.
		And would they know it, or would it be possible that they'd feel a half-breed without knowing it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you be a half-breed without being aware of it?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And being a half-breed and being aware of it and just being bewildered because this is crazy.
		Yes, sir.
		Your answer is yes.
		It is quite possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, you realize that there are a percentage of people out there, Red Elk, and I can tell by looking at my computer screen, who understand what you're saying and do grasp what you're saying, believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then there's another percentage that think you're crazy as a loon.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, I say this.
		Believe not a word I say.
		Stick around.
		You'll find out or learn to check it.
		And then reject or accept.
		But don't believe anything I'm telling you.
		You make up your own mind.
		You're going to find out in the long run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Red Elk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Heart?
		Yes.
		Red Elk?
		I want to thank you for sharing the Native American wisdom with us.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, my brother, I thank you for that.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		But the American natives, the other half, I'm a breed, remember, the other half aren't happy with me at all.
unidentified		Well, a lot of medicine people say the same things that you've been saying.
		But I want to ask you about the hollow earth.
		What about these lizards?
		Some of the UFO researchers say that they're from other planets.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, originally, and they still are.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		This is a colony.
unidentified		How can they be stopped?
		We all have children.
		They want a good future for the young generation.
		How can these bad entities be stopped?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		My friend, there is a way, and I'm a danger to them, and I'm in deep trouble, even Sharon.
		But in the long run, the Creator is going to let the spring on the mousetrap stop them.
		That's why we are here.
		We volunteer even though we don't know it we volunteer to be cheese meat and everything is going to know once again there is one creator and that creator is love Okay, in the meantime there are ways to cool their their their thing but to cool their their agenda and their full agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, there's no way to stop that only the creator will do that let's say that you're having an individual encounter with one of these creatures.
		Yeah.
		What could you do?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well first off sir, don't fear.
		That's why they're there to make you fear.
		They get to suck that energy.
		It's staked on their sauce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well there you go caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's basically saying the same thing he said about some of the shadow people you recall that they take the energy, they take the fear and they feed on it.
unidentified		What about the grays?
unidentified		Are they different?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The greys, sir, in the first place, these little ones that everybody's seeing, those are what is it when you when you make something out of another human being with cones.
		And they're grown plants.
		They are not humans.
		They have no soul.
		They are literally made by the last of the true grays, which look like them, are taller, lankier, much skinnier, bigger head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they have no soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are created beings created by...
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Just as most of their crafts are made out of plants and can expand or extract.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Come in little at 16 feet, go out big at 200, 250 feet, full of our oars.
unidentified		You always waken the news media and the respectable people about what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think you're going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're no more ready to accept a lot of what you've heard tonight than the man in the moon.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		80% aren't ready to accept what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're listening.
		I'd say that would be even a conservative figure, 80%.
		Believe me, a lot of people are not going to be willing to buy into this, but I know that a lot of others are.
		And personally, I'm not sure exactly what to believe myself.
		I'm really not.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		Thank you.
		To recharge Bell in the Kingdom of Nye.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		My guest is Red Elk, and you're either going to, I think, completely reject what he's saying and think he's loony as can be, or you're going to find some truth in what you're hearing.
		Despite the manner in which it is perhaps being presented to you, there's an obvious truth that some of you will know as you hear it.
		I guess it just depends on how you take this sort of thing.
		I don't know.
		Fascinating man.
		Red Olk is absolutely a fascinating man, and as you listen to him, there's a coherence to everything he says, even though individually, at the macro level, it may seem at times incoherent.
		It's not.
		There's a totality of coherence to it if you're really listening.
		If you're dismissing it, then you're just going to miss it altogether.
		And Red Elk would say, well, so what, I suppose?
		But there is an overall coherence to it and a message that comes from it.
		We'll get right back to him.
unidentified		Sounds of the wind
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, into the night with Red Elk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So Red Elk, in terms of communication with you, what you would really like is for people to go to your website, right?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, and if they're going to write a note, keep it very short.
		If they're going to ask a question, please, one.
		I'm a one-finger typer.
		I'm really cramped in this trailer.
		And I'm left-handed, and I have to keep my hand to the side because there's no room to move.
		I've got stuff I'm setting on about a little two and a half foot area that's uncluttered and my typing, you know, the type things here.
		But for those who are interested, I'm assuming you're going to ask me what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I assume that your email is probably on your website, right?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But go ahead and give it.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		My website is, you know, the HTTP thing.
		And then it's all small all together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		www.redelk again all small together www.redelk.org that's really easy that's uh r-e-d-e-l-k dot org redelk.org people make a mistake and type in calm for I know I well everything's calm you know so I'm glad you're an org next time if there ever is sir at you at your at your command,
red elk ▲ ● ▼		if there is a next time, I would like to literally take about 10 minutes and people come on board with pen and pencil, pencil and paper, and I will tell how to practice on-demand mental telepathy.
		We will break AT ⁇ T, and our government will not be able to trace masses of people's thoughts, and they won't be listening in.
		They just can't do it.
		They haven't got the manpower.
		And it's a matter of practice.
		And I would love to give that to the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's plan that for next time.
		With reference to levitation, that is a particular interest of mine, Red Elk.
		You say you've taught a mother and daughter to levitate, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the chance is that this mother and or daughter would be willing to talk to me?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, I could ask them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you please?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The chance, sir, is totally up to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you please?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I would do so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, ask them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know how to get in contact with me.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I am not sure.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I wrote your phone number down, and hey, this trailer eats things, ma'am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know where it's at.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		We're going to talk after.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to give you that method, so your back's going to be good, bro.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right, here we go again.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Red Elk.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Love you.
		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to talk to Red Elk.
		Anybody who believes in the creator of love is cool with me.
		I was very much in agreement with Mr. Elk's message that we are presently in a very negative reality.
		I mean, we can figure this out just looking around us.
		And that this can be transformed into a positive reality of peace and love through prayer.
		Art, you have a lot of guests on that have talked about periled universes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And, you know, if you hook into that idea, then you can understand that maybe, possibly we can go in and out of the different realities.
		And I do believe that one way is through prayer.
		And I know, Art, that you're really reluctant and that you've done some of these mass prayer things where you've had some really weird experiences.
		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I'd call them mass prayer.
		I would call them mass concentrations.
		Okay.
		But there was certainly prayer involved by many.
unidentified		Well, a lot of people do refer to prayers.
		It's basically when you're putting your attention on something.
		And most people, when you're doing prayers, you're asking for something.
		However, what you have to be careful, you're right when you said, you know, you have to be careful what you asked for.
		You might just well get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But that's where you can always add the little addendum and say, in God's will, if this is God's will.
		Because even Jesus Christ, when he was told he was to die on the cross for our sins, said, if this is your will, take this cup from me.
		But otherwise, I will do your will.
		So we can always ask for a prayer, but we can always certainly respect and be humble enough to understand that it's always going to be God's will.
		But I think he does, you know, a lot of this reality is created by us.
		And you have talked about that too, Art, how, you know, even Sean David Morton was talking to how our perceptions of reality come to be.
		And a lot of that's karma of a country, karma of thought, karma of peoples in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we make it all happen.
unidentified		Yeah, and so, you know, when you were even talking, Art, and saying things like, you know, I can't picture this, I can't picture this.
		So much of it is imagining.
		You have to imagine what's wonderful and what's good and what you understand to be good.
		And I'm not talking about just on a personal, selfish level, although it really ultimately is personal and selfish because I think ultimately we in our hearts and in our souls, we all want peace, we all want love, we all want those good things.
		It's just when the politics and the individual greed gets in the way that it becomes distorted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		So I don't know if Mr. L could talk about if he has anything like a kind of a group prayer meeting.
unidentified		I don't know if he does anything on the internet or.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Honey, boy, would I love to see it.
		But there is a problem.
		When people have a group unity, let's not call it prayer.
		Group unity, where two or more gathered together, you know what they mean.
		In heart, if it's done on a regular basis, it becomes rote and therefore useless.
		It should be done and it needs to be done.
		We need to close these ozone holes and it can be done by mind caring about our environment or about our very lives.
		And many works can be done.
		It's more than just envisioning Mr. Lumbell getting better in his hearing and what a miracle that was.
		Or Mr. Bell with his back, things like that.
		We can do far greater.
		We can help heal our own planet.
		And we, my sister, can also change our greatest probable, even though it doesn't look like it's possible.
		Look at what one man did for the whole planet.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And gee will.
unidentified		It always starts with one soul, doesn't it?
		There could be great power.
		It always starts with one person.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it needs total love, commitment, a great desire, humbleness of heart, and a great want, a hunger.
		Those people that have that and can unite can do miracles beyond miracles because that's the way the Creator has made us and wants us to be.
		For Mr. Bell and your information, I would like to talk about A very sacred thing.
		Probably one of the greatest secrets that medicine people know.
		The fact is, we live, we are a dream, the Creator's dream.
		We live because He does not sleep.
		Now, everybody knows or most knows about lucid dreaming where you're being chased by something, but you're in a half-sleep state, and you can turn around and say, why are you chasing me?
		You know, and then find out what it's all about.
		What you don't know is that we are living a lucid dream.
unidentified		Not just dreaming occasionally at night.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		This whole thing is a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Row, row, row your boat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of like The Matrix, the movie, The Matrix.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I hear about that movie, and someday I'll rent that thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You probably should rent it and watch it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's that concept.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, we can work the dream.
		That's where we in medicine, men and women, good and bad, sorcery or not, we work the dream.
		We can make things happen because we can work the dream.
		We know this life that you call reality is lucid dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Red Elk.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, thank you, Art, for taking my call.
		Good morning.
		Levi, I'm on my way to Oklahoma City.
		Hello, Mr. Red Elk.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Hello, my friend.
unidentified		I've come across a theory that I put together as I went down the highway compiling a bunch of information that I've gathered up.
		One, that we're all made out of the same stuff.
		The same stuff that's in the table in front of you is the same stuff that's in you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It's called mind stuff.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		God's mind stuff.
unidentified		His brain.
		When you get to the quantum physics level, the foam or the electron cloud around the nucleus, it's all made out of the same stuff.
		It all depends on how many electrons stuff has going around it.
		And it dawned on me that what if it is made out of sound?
		God spoke the universe into existence.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That, boy, have you hit the nail on the head?
		There was no big bang.
		He first, he was sitting up there twirling his thumbs, nothing going on.
		I don't know for how many ages.
		And the very existence of all creation is in the first verse of the first book of the Bible.
		And he thought, and then he imagined, and then he created us from imagine into strong envisioning until he got it right.
		Instead of making the woman's boobs on the back, which would have made them fun to dance with, they're not worth looking at, he put them on the front.
unidentified		He took his time, he got it right, and then he listened and he said, he audibly spoke.
		Sir, there's no big bang.
		It is just vibration.
		And so, Mr. Redhelt, the other place I found that in the text was where, I don't know, Jesus and his disciples going off to this town.
		They said, make these people be quiet lest we get thrown in jail or get in trouble.
		Yeah, and he said, if I'd make these people be quiet, Father would make these stones rejoice.
		Well, that suggests that there's sound on the inside of those stones.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		And intelligence.
unidentified		Yeah, and intelligence.
		And you were speaking about, y'all were talking about talking to rocks earlier and having the rocks talk back.
		Well, a lot of us talk to, you know, whenever you, like Art was mad at his car or you, part of the half of the communication, you talk to something, but the other half is listening to what it has to say.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Lord, can I inject here?
		Sir, when your wife and you head off for the trip, she thinks, oh my gosh, did I leave food for the dog?
		Did I water the plants?
		And, well, let's go back, you know.
unidentified		And you run back, and lo and behold, the dogs got no food.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The plants need watering.
		And they say, thank God, I remembered that.
		No, sir.
		They were called by the plants and by the dogs saying, you've forgotten us.
unidentified		Right, right.
		There was something the last caller touched on in imagination, and you touched on it earlier in the conversation.
		And the imagination is a very powerful, there's a very powerful law tucked away in, oh, it's right at the Tower of Babel over there.
		God said, now nothing that they have imagined will be restrained from them.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It says, ye are as little gee, gods.
		We cannot be God, but we can be godly.
		We cannot be Satan, but we can be Satanic.
		We cannot be Christ, but we can be Christ-like.
		And if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain.
		We in medicine do this.
		We have learned to work the dream.
unidentified		I would really like to learn from you.
unidentified		I want to look around on the website when I get time to find out how to get in touch with you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I'm raising all kinds of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this man is really something Indian color.
unidentified		Yeah, he is really good.
unidentified		There's a lot of truth in what he has to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Very careful, friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Red Elk.
		Hello.
unidentified		Marcus from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, it's a pleasure to be on tonight.
		The more I listen to you, I have to thank you, sir, Mr. Elk, for speaking the word to us tonight, and I love you for that, the scriptures.
		And I'd like to ask you a question concerning the Christ, the Lord.
		I've chosen not to use the name Jesus because I've done some research, and it just seems like to me, it's wrong.
		It really wasn't his earthly name.
		And I wonder if you, and I've noticed you haven't used that name either.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
unidentified		It doesn't matter.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Jesus, the Christ, whatever you want to call him.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		That man was the walking example of what love can do.
unidentified		Well, who can argue with that?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Call him love.
unidentified		As a Christian.
		And I think that's pretty awesome.
		And you're an exciting man.
		And also, I'd like to touch on: I see in the world today how things seem to be backwards.
		They call good, evil, and evil good.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And the anxiety for me is very high.
		And you seem to have much more peace than I do, that's for sure.
		Can you give me any hint?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		How'd you get there?
unidentified		Yeah, see nothing as accidents.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		There are no accidents.
		It's all planned.
		See nothing as bad.
		Even your baby getting raped and ripped, and that's bad.
		But in the long run, it brings people.
		It gets rid of the shaft in the wheat, and it brings some of that real, real weak, weak wheat upstanding tall.
		In the long run, there's a reason for everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's a very hard concept for a lot of people.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		I do, and it would be for me, too.
		But I live by it.
		I've learned by it.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, take care.
		Yes, I actually believe every word you're saying.
		I believe that you absolutely believe every word you're saying, and I think a lot of what you're saying has an absolute ring of truth to those who have stuck around and listened.
		It's really interesting.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		Not a lot of time.
		You're on the air with Red Elk.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Walter from Mount Rainier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to say the mirror, I'd like to ask him about the mirror.
unidentified		I've been using it for about 10 years, and I can prove the existence of God with it, real short and sweet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a mirror?
unidentified		Yeah, I was studying guitar in the mirror about 10 years ago, and I was looking off to the side of the mirror as I was doing it, and I started seeing really weird evil-type things coming in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you, we're headed for one whale of a show on this subject.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		The ribbon does twist and turn, creating rips and thinness in the veils that are really all around us.
unidentified		But I asked God to come in, the Spirit of God to come in, because I couldn't get rid of the evil-looking things in the mirror.
		And everything changed.
		And believe me, you've been wondering about the mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		If you sit there and look off to the side and say, Satan come in, it'll shock you, it'll scare you almost to death.
		You won't know how to get rid of it other than by saying, okay, Spirit of God come in.
		And that's when everything changes.
		And it'll teach you, I mean, you don't even have to do anything.
		You can meditate there and feel safe, and you'll start learning things that you've never ever learned before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		And I've been seeing spaceships from it.
		I've been learning stuff from God.
		And one thing about I wanted to say that I've been learning from God was you have the thing about Fatima on there, the secrets.
		Well, this isn't about the secrets.
		This is about the solar event.
		And God is very disturbed that the sun bounced up and down.
		It's on film.
		It's on motion picture film.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I'm woefully short on time here.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we got only about 10 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to email me, and I will proceed to follow up on it.
		There are solar events going on right now.
		We have this big full halo ejection.
		It's actually hitting Earth right now.
		And we've got a gigantic solar storm going on.
		Auroras may be seen.
		Red Elk.
		Boy, what a pleasure to have you on the air again.
		You're a strange sort, Red Elk, but, you know, there's...
		Indeed.
		I just wanted to tell you, you're strange, but you're absolutely intriguing.
		I mean, there's something about you.
		So I'm sure, I'm certain we will have you on again.
		In the meantime, I'm going to put you on hold and talk to you after the show, okay?
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Love to all and all love, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Red Elk.
red elk ▲ ● ▼		Good night, my boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, folks.
		That's it for tonight.
		And I know that some of you, a good portion actually, heard and understood what you heard.
		Others rejected it entirely.
		But that's the way the world goes.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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