Dr. Steven Greer reveals suppressed over-unity energy tech, citing 1M+ viewers for his May 9th National Press Club disclosure and warnings from Senator Inouye about shadowy "Murder Incorporated" targeting inventors. Red Elk, a Native medicine man linked to the "inner Haokuka society," claims Earth’s underground tunnels—like Mel’s Hole—connect to an inner world where four alien races, including soul-devouring Dracolians and plant-based Greys, wage war against humanity, using mirrors and rocks as portals. Both predict civilization’s collapse within decades unless spiritual unity or tech breakthroughs intervene, framing survival as a test of collective consciousness over material resistance. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, where all the dire predictions of bad wind stuff didn't happen by 3 o'clock this afternoon, I called the National Weather Service in Las Vegas and they said, Art, I think we can relax.
Even though it looked bad, the whole thing is slipping to the east a little bit.
And we got a few 40-mile-an-hour dust here in the desert, but nothing like Monday.
Thank God.
And got away with it.
So that was apparently about 3 o'clock this afternoon.
Monday was unbelievable.
The damage in this valley is absolutely incredible.
Listen, we're welcoming yet another new affiliate to this to the house of madness.
It's WWNC in Asheville, North Carolina.
They're 570 on the dogs.
It's about to be 5,000 watts definitely.
Would go screaming on out into the night very well indeed.
The GM there is Diane Ogram.
The PD, Jim Edwards.
Thank you very much.
The duo there of Diane and Jim.
Thank you.
You have no idea what a weird, very strange, weird world you have just stepped into.
For example, coming up in a moment is Dr. Greer in the first hour, and I'll tell you all about him.
And then in the second hour, Red Elk.
Listen, sorry, I know nobody can get onto Richard C. Hoagland's website.
We put another notch in our website.
We've apparently killed Richard sighted to be back by tomorrow.
But so many people trying to access the new images that it just went.
So another notch goes in.
Probably back up by tomorrow.
Just be patient.
All right.
A couple of things to take care of, and then on to the amazing Dr. Greer.
Well, let's do an update on something that we just learned about in the last 48 hours.
And this is actually very historic information, and that is that the largest webcast on the Internet in the history since it was created was the Disclosure Project webcast at disclosureproject.org.
Here's another interesting stat that we just got because it's something that has just been given to us by our carrier, and that is that over 1 million people have downloaded and streamed the video of the National Press Club event that took place on May 9th, and that is also a world record.
The other interesting thing is that it's been the largest requested for bandwidth issue that has ever been requested through this largest of all servers that provide this kind of service to the world.
What we're finding, in other words, is that even if some of the mainstream media has tried to shut this down, what that's done is shunted it through this alternate media thing that's been created in the sort of new media age, and that's the Internet.
So it's interesting, because disclosureproject.org, which is our website, is pushing in the 10 million range for HIPS.
But what is more important are the number of people who've taken the time to try to see this incredible testimony from these heroic military people who came forward about 11 months ago.
Well, what it means is something we've been saying all along, and I said this to President Clinton's inner circle when we were briefing him on this, and I've said it to many members of Congress in the last few months, and that is that the numbers of people who are interested in this matter and who want this subject disclosed properly and honestly exceeds the number of people who have voted for any of our U.S. presidents in the last several elections.
In other words, well over 50% of people know about this subject and think something is being hidden from them and would like to see that secrecy ended.
And I think that you don't have those sort of numbers in any of the elections of either the past two elections for Clinton or Bush.
So there's a huge interest in this, but also a huge level of concern around the secrecy.
And I think that what has surprised me the most...
I think it will be, and I think it will be because of some things that are happening.
For example, since 9-11, a lot of people are understanding that there's an extremely high price for inexpensive Mideast oil that we're some 57 percent dependent on for imported oil, and that President Bush and others have said that it's a national security issue that we've become independent of the need for this sort of large amount of imported foreign energy.
Well, I think people are understanding that you can use the word UFO or you can supplant that term with something called an exotic energy and propulsion device, many of which look like UFOs but are being manufactured and illegal, clandestine projects and have been for several decades.
And I think as people begin to come forward with the information, with the technology, with their observations who have seen these things and seen these projects going forward, people are beginning to say, my God, what in the world are we doing trying to continue to burn up the biosphere and develop this entire geopolitical mess that we're in centered around oil?
And most people realize, of course, you're not going to solve the energy problem by punching a few more holes in the ground.
So I think that this is something which, contrary to what I initially thought after 9-11, that those events would completely make this issue seem sort of irrelevant, it's become more relevant, and people have become more interested and more concerned.
So I think that what this means is it is an issue that's going to have continuing legs.
Well, I think we're going to do some things that we're continuing to ramp up.
For example, at the website, there's a link from disclosureproject.org.
It's in the website where people can fax the president and members of Congress so they don't have to go through snail mail or email, both of which aren't very effective.
And they can fax right into the office of the president and right into their senator or congressman's office a letter that says, we want hearings and we want this issue dealt with.
That's one way of growing this sort of mass movement.
But the other is to bring forward greater and greater levels of testimony.
One of the things that we've just released is that we've put together four-hour summary of these military witnesses testimony that people can get now.
They can get it on our website or at 888-Dr.
Greer, which is a toll-free number they can call.
And this four-hour tape is, again, only about a 30th of the testimony we have on digital videotape.
What we're going to start doing is putting all of that testimony.
We have boiled down to about 35 hours of militaries and various generals and colonels and air traffic controllers and people like this.
And it's going to start going up on our website for people who know how to see video streaming on their computers so that literally thousands and millions of people can see the complete testimony of these people instead of just a smaller sort of snapshot of their testimony.
How about getting into a situation where somehow there's enough interest generated that some major reporter at a White House news conference, should he ever want to have one again, will stand up and ask a question about the field, giving him an opportunity to say at least something.
Well, I think this is something that is going to happen when it becomes such a pressure that neither the media nor the political establishment can ignore it.
And this is really up to the people listening to your show tonight is to decide to do something about that.
The other thing that I think will make a large difference is to come forward with greater and greater levels of testimony.
And this is why we've started the second phase of recording these witnesses' testimony.
There's another 119 additional military and intelligence and corporate witnesses whom we have identified since last year.
So we're going to try to put that testimony together.
And there's a subsection of that that involves people who've worked on these energy and propulsion devices.
And I think that as that information comes forward, the public are going to realize that this is not just about little gray or green or whatever colored men out in space, but it's also about how we're going to build the next level of human civilization, how we're going to create a civilization that can be sustainable, that can eliminate poverty as we know it.
Well, I honestly think that there are technologies in these black projects that are a result of both human breakthroughs and the study of extraterrestrial vehicles, so that there is a combination.
I think that there's a big misunderstanding, and that is that if people look at what Colonel Corso said very carefully, he said that the technologies that were seeded by some of the extraterrestrial materials were ideas that were already ongoing, and then some of these materials would then augment or move it down the path a little further.
So I think it's not as simple as saying, well, you know, we found an extraterrestrial vehicle and came out with the integrated circuit or came out with lasers.
In fact, that there is a sort of a, if I can use the word hybrid, a hybridization of ideas and concepts where humans have had breakthroughs that have then been potentiated and increased in their efficiency by studying these extraterrestrial breakthroughs that are the result of retrieving a number of these craft.
You don't think any of this information was generously given or given for any specific reason by alien intelligence, but rather the result of either a captured craft or back-engineered technology, right?
Well, we do have a couple of witnesses that indicate, in fact, that there had been or has been at points in time cooperation and where things have been handed off.
I think that was very early, back in the late 40s or 50s.
And unfortunately, I don't think that we were totally honest in our dealings with that situation.
My understanding is that We did not hold up our end of the bargain, in a sense.
I'll tell you something I've heard, Doctor, and you can knock this down maybe if you want to, but there's a lot of reports suddenly of UFO activity in South America and in Australia.
And it's been said on this program very recently that perhaps they are, in effect, giving up on us, that we send up jets.
We seem not to be particularly interested in them except to have them gone, and that they're taking the hint and taking their act elsewhere.
I do think that there are some very unfortunate things that, for example, John Wigan, who's one of the witnesses who has come forward, who is a Marine officer near the Peruvian-Bolivian border, was at the site of one of these extraterrestrial vehicles that we had obviously shot at and hit with some type of weapon system from a facility where he was stationed.
And I think that we have increasingly taken actions that are very dangerous to the national security of the United States and to world security.
Now, I think a lot of the objects that are being seen, to add more confusion to this whole mix, are actually made by human beings.
There's a facility in, for example, Australia, where many people have been seeing these objects flying, large, both triangular and this shape, that are actually made by Homo sapiens, humans.
And I have people who have been in those facilities that we have interviewed recently and who have corroborated that information.
So it's not unlike the facilities near Palmdale in Lancaster in the high desert of California where people late at night at 3 and 4 in the morning have seen these objects launched out of the area near the north base of Edwards, for example, and have seen this for a number of years.
And I think so many of these things that are being seen are, in fact, anti-gravity and very advanced energy and propulsion devices.
The administration right now, according to Richard Tsiogland and others, appears interested, and I think there's a lot of stories, not at all in pursuing this kind of technology, but instead, Dr. traveling down the let's use chemicals to get nuclear engines for spacecraft into space.
Yes, it's interesting because I just had a meeting with the AIAA people, the Association of International Aerospace Engineers, and my science advisor, Dr. Loeder, and I and others are working with some people in that group.
And they're interested in the fact that this is the sort of perspective that keeps getting pushed.
But I think that's sort of a decoy.
That's sort of to distract people from the main action that's going on with disclosure, quite frankly.
And I have to point out, the next level of disclosure is to put on the table, literally, an energy system and also an anti-gravity system.
You know, we're working with people like Mark McCandlish.
We're working with one of Townsend Brown's protégés.
We're working with a whole group of people.
And in fact, just this weekend, we are gathering for the first time this brain trust of physicists and fabricators and engineers to build a small version of one of these alien reproduction vehicles or anti-gravity vehicles.
Well, we have people who are on this team who have actually worked on the plans for these objects and have seen them within classified projects.
We have people also who have built at Lawrence Berkeley Labs and in other facilities these over-unity energy generators and have been only to be in the early days of their experimentation attacked by rogue sort of SWAT teams and other elements that have tried to shut them down.
In other words, if you cannot conclusively prove with the possession of a UFO that these exist, then you might take this tact and build your own, and that's essentially what you're doing, right?
Well, a sort of a small version of one, but more importantly, we're going to first build the energy plant, the energy generation system, so that we can show the world that, in fact, we don't need to be burning fossil fuels for the next hundreds of years, destroying the biosphere.
I guarantee you, Doctor, that even a scale version of a UFO that did what we've seen UFOs do, or even some portion of it, would go a long way toward doing that.
And I've had members of Congress and more than one senator ask that we put that kind of technology together and demonstrate it for us to select members of Congress.
So that's what we're planning to do.
And we have a group of this space energy access system.
So we have a website, seaspower.com, which is, I think, a nice double entendre.
We're going to move from testimony and evidence and cases from people who've been inside the Strategic Air Command or within the CIA or within the DIA into this level where we can hopefully, and of course this is a big experiment and undertaking, demonstrate to the world both the energy system that generates energy for these objects, as well as, if we can, one of these electrogravitic or anti-gravity type devices.
So that's what we're working on, and that work is beginning actually this week.
How better to prove that they're real than to build one?
So here you go.
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Well, I think that the idea is that the first phase of it is to build the energy plant that would prove this concept of so-called over-unity or zero-point energy generation.
And I think the next phase is to move it into the rotational system and vortex technology that enables this electrogravitic effect.
I think that latter part where you actually have something that can fly under anti-gravity and controlled conditions will take us quite a bit longer.
But we're hoping to be able to have a prototype of this within certainly a year.
And maybe much sooner.
We're getting some really interesting help from some quarters that normally you would not think would want to stick their neck out on this.
And I'm talking really mainstream and helpful aerospace people who do contracting for NASA, people who do contracting for various areas who have knowledge of this.
And, you know, you see things in Jane's Defense Weekly about the 1950s era anti-gravity project.
And you see this in Nick Cook's book that's talking about the race to zero point talking about the same thing.
And there are more and more people in the mainstream aerospace area wanting to come forward.
And one of the things I will say to people listening, if they think that they have information or can contribute to this effort, they should contact us at either disclosureproject.org or seizepower.com and let us know because we're putting this brain trust together and it's growing very rapidly and it's picked up a tremendous amount of momentum.
You know, you know, though, Doctor, there are a lot of characters out there who have perhaps not the right bona fides, but every possibility in the world, if you have the patience, to sift through them, of eventually finding the one who had the gem.
Well, that's what we've been doing now for, of course, quite a few months.
And there's a lot of nonsense, and there's a lot of good stuff out there.
And even in the conventional area, I want to point out some people who've surfaced who have developed, for example, very advanced fuel injection systems that would enable an automobile to get anywhere upwards of 100 to 130 miles per gallon.
And this sounds implausible, except that people have built and tested these things only to later run into what I not so fondly call Murder Incorporated, this sort of illegal cabal of folks who have taken extraordinary steps to keep these things silent.
And I think one of the things that people have to understand is that there's this sort of unacknowledged terrorism that's been going on in society for decades where very good and honest inventors and scientists and even military people who stumble across these things have been tortured, have been abducted, have been drugged, and have been mistreated.
And I think this is another whole part of what disclosure has to get to, and that is that there have been this sort of illegal and unconstitutional abuse of people who could have helped our society avoid many of the tragic events that have occurred in the last six or eight months.
So I think that this is something that has to come to light.
And I think that if you look at even the accounts of Colonel Charles Brown, who was the AFOSI officer who had been in Project Grudge, who came across a technique for altering the air intake system of a vehicle so that you would get about 20 to 25, maybe 30% more fuel efficiency, he had bomb threats.
He had his stuff sabotaged.
He had his prototype stolen.
And this is a very decorated man who had, Bick in the 50s, had been involved in the UFO projects and after his retirement got involved in some of these energy projects.
And his testimony, by the way, is available for anyone to read who wants to read it on our website.
So I think that what you find is that you have really wonderful people who have been courageous in trying to come forward, but they've all been doing it in a divided way.
What we're doing with the energy issue is what we've also done with the disclosure issue, and that is let's not let these people go out by themselves and have their necks chopped off.
Let's put them together in a coalition, and let's support them, and let's protect them.
I mean to tell you I have I mean for example one of the things people are going to start seeing in the disclosure effort is that we're going to get testimony from folks who have been abducted and tortured.
I don't mean by extraterrestrial, I mean by rogue illegal operations operating in this country and others.
And I think that have you been watching the list of scientists into biotechnology that have been really disappearing and dying under not good circumstances?
And I don't like to make a vex that I'm not involved in that particular area.
But I do know that in the last three months, I have personally met with more than half a dozen bona fide physicists and scientists, not in black projects, but in the public civilian domain, who have run into this kind of harassment and who have had colleagues that have literally at times been murdered in an attempt to keep these things silent.
And I think that the people listening to your show should be outraged at this and should be prepared to support our effort to get this material out to the public by marching with their feet and marching with their pens and making a very clear message to our leaders, but also to the media, that we want this issue covered and we want these people protected.
Well, normally these are contract agents and contract operatives who are working on behalf of this, for lack of a better word, transnational cabal or secret government that exists within the government and within the international scene that really do not answer to the Constitution or to the President or to the Congress.
And I think this is exactly what Senator Inouye was referring to when he said that there was this shadowy government within the government that had its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism.
And this is a U.S. Senator saying this during the Iran conference, right?
Well, I think it's been around for quite a long time.
It certainly has been around since the World War II era.
But in the aftermath of World War II, what we have found through interviewing people who were on the scene back in the 50s and even in the late 40s is that the compartmentalization and funding mechanisms were put in place for these entities to escape supervision.
And when they escaped supervision, there were abuses of power and abuses that began, and they continued up to this present hour.
And I think this is exactly what Eisenhower was warning the public of when he said to be very careful of the excesses of the military-industrial complex.
And it wasn't because he was anti-military, nor am I, but that I think he had seen firsthand, according to Brigadier General Steve Lovkin, who was in the Eisenhower White House as a young man at the time.
He said that Eisenhower was immensely frustrated by the fact that he was being left out of the loop on critical technology and other issues related to UFOs, specifically to UFOs.
And Brigadier General Lovkin's testimony, again, sort of underscores this whole concept that once he had learned of these things, and by the way, while he was in the Pentagon, he had seen some of the material from apparently the Roswell or the New Mexico crash of an extraterrestrial vehicle.
He had people come to him and said, you know, people who step out of line discussing this have been known to be, quote, erased.
And General Lovkin talks about this erasure process where people would simply disappear.
And this is way back in the late 50s when he was being told this.
So, you know, that whole mechanism probably pre-exists my birth in the mid-50s.
But certainly, I think it mostly got out of control between 1945 and 1955.
By the mid-50s, I think this thing was well out of control.
Well, of course, quite a large number of them support what we're doing.
This is why I'm still here able to talk to you about this issue.
And I think that people listening should understand that folks who have been involved or are involved currently in those projects, that this is not a monolith, that there are a number of factions or a number of interest areas that support disclosure, that support bringing these technologies out.
My understanding is that when I briefed CIA Director Woolsey back in 93, I was told by two insiders inside this so-called MJ-12 group, although I don't think that's what it's called today, but within what's called Magi Control and Royal Ops and Cosmic Ops, that basically about a third of them supported what we wanted.
I understand at this point it's probably up around 45 percent.
So the numbers are growing, and I think that unfortunately we can't let time slip away.
I don't know that we have time to have that become 50 or 60 percent because we have pressures being brought to bear in the geopolitical arena.
Time is on the side of truth always, and time is on the side of disclosure, and time is always going to be on the side of the good in the long haul.
Now, in the short run, we are running up against a big squeeze here because neither the environmental situation nor the geopolitical and terrorism situation can withstand too many more years of this whole thing being obfuscated and hidden and obscured.
So we are going to have to move that timeline up.
I had one of the insiders within that group call me right after the May 9th event at the National Press Club and say, you know, you're moving our timeline up by about six years.
And I said, good.
This is what our intention is, is to move that timeline up by at least that amount of time.
And this person went on to basically encourage our doing so when I've met with a number of people in Europe who are connected into these classified projects.
I think that you're going to see more of what you're seeing.
You're going to see increasing geopolitical instability.
You're going to see increasing biosphere collapse.
You're going to see increasing destruction of both polar ice caps.
You're going to see increasing disparity between the wealthy and the poor nations that will lend to more terrorism, more war, more instability, and more pain and suffering.
So basically, the universe, if you will, nature, whatever you want to call it, is saying we need to move on to the next chapter in human evolution.
And that leap has been artificially held up for about 50 years.
And so there's a price to pay when you don't go with the flow of the will of the universe or the natural order.
And I think that what we're seeing in terms of all this suffering and all these things that are happening is the consequence of trying to buck that trend line.
And the trend line is towards another level of evolution, which these technologies will enable humanity to reach.
And as we further delay that process, the suffering will get worse and worse and worse.
Until we finally snap out of it and say, okay, we're going to do it.
So what we're saying to people is that, hey, let's go ahead and do it.
It's inevitable that these changes are going to happen.
And it's inevitable that humanity is going to go forward with these types of technologies and information.
So the longer we put that off, the more the suffering is going to deepen.
The people that you have described that would go to these lengths that you have described, if they thought you were actually getting very close to producing what would amount to a flying saucer, an alien craft, something powered by an over-unity device, something that could demonstrate even perhaps anti-gravity, do you honestly think they would, if they're everything you say they are, they would let you get there?
Well, a number of them are letting us, they're helping us.
And I would say that we're going to see, aren't we?
I mean, you know, a lot of people said if we did what happened at May 9th, that had that level of media penetration and that eventually was covered by Pravda and the Chinese news agency and all these other things all over the world, much more heavily than in the United States, I might add.
CNN World, for example, had a very extensive piece on it overseas, but they sanitized it in the domestic market.
But still, we're estimating somewhere between 1 and 2 billion people heard about all these military people coming forward talking about this.
And do you know, to this day, not a single one of them have been threatened.
None of them have been told to be quiet.
I have not been told to be quiet.
So I think that the tide has turned in our favor, and I think we just have to go forward and do that.
And by the way, it's the grassroots that's been supporting this, and they are our greatest support and protection.
And we've been getting out there to encourage people to move forward with us.
On that note, I should mention I'm going to be not in your neck of the woods, but on the West Coast next week.
I'm going to be in Portland on the 24th of April giving a lecture and presenting this information.
And then on the 25th in Eugene, Oregon, and then on the 26th in Ashland, Oregon, and at Mount Shaft of California on the 27th, and then at San Francisco at the New H Expo on the 28th.
So anyone who wants to meet with us can join me at those places.
Well, first of all, they get to see one or two hours of the witness testimony uninterrupted, and then they will hear a presentation by yours truly.
And the details of that are on our website at disclosureproject.org.
But when we go to these cities, what we're finding is that huge numbers of people who are in the mainstream academic and scientific world are emerging saying, yeah, this is true, and I'm glad someone's talking about it.
And what can I do to help?
And so it is this sort of huge global networking that's going on.
And it's exciting that the kind of numbers that you talked about at the beginning of the hour are beginning to surface because that actually might get it done if you can get those kinds of numbers out.
Well, I can tell you the people who have been involved with this with us, just from a technical point of view, have said that if you took the biggest webcast event in the history of the world, the disclosure project, trumped it by an orders of magnitude.
Literally by an order of magnitude.
That the numbers of people who...
You know, I'm meeting with aerospace engineers and professors of space sciences at universities, and they're pulling me and my science advisors and others aside, saying, you know, we know this is going on and we think it's gone on long enough.
And by golly, you know, we hope you can succeed.
And what can we do to help?
And so Space Energy Access Systems, the energy company we founded, are getting these people on our advisory board.
And people that you would have thought would never want to wade into this are now jumping on board.
So I think that it's certainly picking up momentum.
We're not there yet, but I think we're going to get there.
In fact, one of the things I'll say to you is that as we make progress with this creative team building these things, even before we can go massively public, which of course would shut down all the bandwidth on the planet in terms of people trying to see it, I'll come on your show and we'll talk about it in greater and greater detail if you want to hear about it.
There's some really interesting technologies that are already being presented to us that as we can get them refined and tested, and maybe we'll end up in your neck of the woods and show it to you once we get all our ducks in a row.
People who actually have or have previously built either energy devices that are very serious and over unity or have built components or actually worked with the anti-gravity technology.
So we have a very strong coalition moving forward on this.
And in fact, we're not going to present a specific technology to the public until at least three or four independent, well-credentialed, and well-recognized laboratories and entities have tested them and have found reproducible results.
Red Elk is an intertribal Native American medicine man.
He's coming up next.
He's a self-described half-breed Native American from both the Blackfeet and the Shoshone Nations, as well as part Irish and French.
Member of the Hayoka, I believe it is, Contrarian Group of Native American Lost Boys, which he is one of the 12 inner of that group, one of the last nine members of the Red Web Society who are working to bring understanding to Earth.
He is official keeper of the tunnels, official keeper of the pyramids, temporary caretaker of the flying red dragon drum, a very sacred drum on the Hopi Nation, and the altar carrier of the nations.
Red Elk is called by both whites and full breeds as a bridge between the native people and all other religions, including the atheists.
Well, I heard that there was a trek that took place by some people up in that area, sort of looking for Mel's Hole, but that they didn't find it, and they've decided they're going to go back again with a more serious attempt.
Well, if it wasn't for them, it would have taken hours more to find his property.
They parked right in front of the gate to make sure nobody went there.
The gate that we've been going to, the place where I, you know, after many years of not being there, it seemed familiar.
Well, it turns that yellow gate that I told you of, that's the back road into Mr. Waters' property.
And they came by and got everybody's license numbers, and he's sitting there with one of those palm things, I guess, you know, kind of a palm computer.
If they happen to be digging above one of these caves, these are enormous caves, and especially the ones directly below us, they sometimes range 600 and 800 miles long, 200 and 300 miles wide, and in some places, almost three miles high.
You understand, of course, that the average person, when they think about what you're talking about, that is the beginning of interaction with lizard people here on the surface.
Or, I don't know, maybe we'd go to them.
Either way, that kind of interaction would be really frightening.
If I have a photograph, it looks like somebody cut out a cardboard cutting like they do in the movie houses showing Bert Reynolds or God knows who, and they stick it there in the auditorium.
I've only seen one in photo, and that's because I don't run around with a camera taking pictures of crowds.
It just happens to be one of the half-breeds that I deal with, and this guy was doing pretty good, but he'd changed without being aware that he's changed.
Well, he in his normal two-legged walk upon this earth, he's a half-breed.
And you take a picture of this gentleman when he's in this mode, and he looks like any other picture of any other picture, you know.
But they're so fast at shape-shifting, so fast at pulling out the, I don't know, the essence of the being himself, the one that's happy and slippy and cool bore, that sounds like a walk-in, what it's called a walk-in.
And it happens so quickly that one minute the one that you know is there, and the next minute you still think you know that that's that one.
What we have here is a Native American medicine man.
Now, this is pretty far out for a lot of you, I know, and pretty far out for me too.
But you know something?
There's a whole world of knowledge out there that we don't know a damn thing about.
And that's what this man has studied all his life.
He knows things that are so alien to you and I that it sounds, well, I know how it sounds.
But before dismissing any of it, I think you should listen very, very carefully.
A lot is pretty wild and pretty out there in the twilight zone, all right?
But it's absolutely fascinating.
He's the man who nailed down the shadow people for us.
Tonight, we've got a lot to tackle.
Stay right there.
There's truly an entire world out there that most don't Understand.
Many who listen to this program have sort of a hint, but basically there's an entire world out there that's a separate world from the one that we understand and think we revolve in proficiently.
That would be the world of Red Elk.
Here he is once again.
Now, you're saying that you have information that is prompting you to come on the program tonight and talk about you've said all of it, meaning I guess for us, for humans, is coming down.
And it'll take 30 or 40 years for those who survive it to get back on their feet again.
i'm asking what kind of world it will be and i understand mess but i mean That'll be a mess, all right.
Almost every tree, animal, plant, and water will be gone or poisoned.
But this is one reason that I'm ordered to teach what I've been ordered to, so that the knowledge that the medicine people and the red people have considered to be sacred is put out so that the survivors will have that knowledge.
Well, what you're doing, my friend, is quite scriptural, but, you know, two or more together in my name.
And I'm not going to say that the name of Christ, I mean, I'm saying it, but you've got to remember what that two-legged being was.
He was love on two legs.
Any two together in love, in pure love, you know, not lust love or anything like that, but caring love, then they can change much.
And if we as a world could gather together in love, or the majority of us worldwide, not just the United States, I'm speaking across our planet, and truly aim our love.
I don't doubt that that is right, because then all hearts would change.
But.
And I also don't doubt that mass consciousness can do some things that are scaring me a little bit.
I'll admit to all of that even.
But I don't see those hearts changing right now.
In fact, if you look at the present progression of events, there's more reason to believe that Armageddon is just a tick away, Red Elk.
It's much easier to believe that than it is that all of these hearts are going to change.
And the Palestinians are going to embrace the Israelis, and the Israelis are going to embrace all the Palestinians, even Yasser, and all get together and be peace.
If I were a betting man, Red Elk, I don't think I'd be betting on that.
If it goes all the wrong way, again, I am overstretching because I'm shown things, I'm told things, but I'm never given the time frame ever.
But I really, and I know this deep within my heart, I know, I mean, way above knowing, I know that I'm correct, that we are within the time frame of within 25 years.
Then I suppose the inevitability of this appears now even greater.
Listen, I want to ask you about something that perhaps coming up after the break that was brought up the other day on the program.
And I don't know exactly what category it fits in, but I've begun to receive emails and communications from a whole lot of people in my audience about mirrors.
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So I walked around it and prayed and spoke with it in prayer, knowing that I am praying to the God who is in all things, the Creator who is in all things.
In my case, I really only transmitted very negative things to it.
Increasingly negative, actually, as the hours wore on, and finally, this guy with this big flatbed thing comes along and hikes it up and takes us to a place where I said further unkind things about it to other people, in fact.
Anyway, it's a long story, but it never worked out well.
Next time, maybe I'll try a different approach with it.
All right, I want to read you something, and I want you to digest this and tell me what we're dealing with.
I'm going to do this.
I think I'm going to do a program on this subject Friday.
I have been receiving some of the most intriguing emails since the subject was broached in an open line segment last week, and I knew this was going to blow wide open.
And, well, here, listen.
Dear Mr. Bell, recently you talked briefly on your show about people who have had strange experiences with mirrors.
I'd like to share with you and your listeners something strange that's happened to me over the period of several decades, actually, now.
Some years ago, whenever I'd look in a mirror, I would see this relatively good-looking young man looking back at me.
Now, I came to accept this as pretty close to reality.
When I'd smile, he'd smile back.
I kind of enjoyed looking at mirrors.
I even looked forward to my encounters with this young man.
After some years, the young man disappeared.
And suddenly, one day, I looked in the mirror, and I saw this ugly old fat man staring back at me.
Somewhere in the eyes, I could see the vestiges of the younger man who used to inhabit the mirrors.
But this was and still is in no way any reflection, no pun intended, I guess, or any sort of reality.
No matter what I have done, the young man refuses to resurface.
I suspect he's been kidnapped by the shadow people, or perhaps fallen into Mel's hole, or maybe even been led astray by the whisperings of Ramona's cat.
But it's my cat, actually.
But it whispers to her.
But for some reason, he refuses to return.
I've not mentioned this strange set of events to more than just my closest friends.
The ones I've dared share it with have suggested that maybe my problem lies closer to home.
One even suggested plastic surgery.
Of course, you and I know the problem actually lies in the strange happenings inside my mirror.
I thought maybe you should warn your listeners to watch for this kind of thing.
Well, sir, I have gotten three, they call themselves physicists.
It's kind of a hard word for me to say.
To say, and they want me to train them.
And I was talking to one, and we got on the now this is this will take just a bit, but we got on to talking about dimensions and what our earth is doing, getting ready to flip, it's causing a vibration and stuff.
But nevertheless, and it's changing us.
It's making us blurring our mind, okay?
So that we're starting to see things that were unseeable, know things that were unknowable, except for people as myself and others in medicine and deep Wakai or Holiness, and deep meditators, deep thinkers.
And this is what's helping cause it.
But on this talk, I asked him, what do you see dimensions to look like?
And he said, well, Mr. Redoke, to us, or at least to me, like a ribbon.
I said, this is good.
I do too.
And I said, what about the ribbon?
How many sides does it have?
And he says, it's got two sides.
And I laughed and I said, come on, use it.
This is this thing brain.
I said, you say two sides.
Think again.
And he thought, and then it clicked, you know, by golly, the up, the down, and each side of the ribbon.
And now this guy's improving, right?
So now he's got four sides of the ribbon.
And I said, great, now.
Think again.
And he couldn't get it.
There's the inside.
Now, understand it.
Look at it as a white ribbon that is wavering.
He sees it as that, you know, wavering, weaving, but turning around about itself, tying itself in light knots, untying itself.
And every time it rubs and twists and turns, it creates holes or rippings of bells, if you want, where things become clearer that were never seen before.
There's so many things that are going to be happening that through this dimensional shift, through the mousetrap and the cheese and all coming to it, it's all related.
It's all metachrilation, and it's all for the great shift that's coming on our planet.
You know, I know this is out on the edge of all things that we could even remotely consider possible, but again, it doesn't really get in a giant dispute with current theoretical physics.
And there are a lot of things we don't know.
And it may well be that things can transmit information to human beings.
But, Mr. Bill, there would be a lot of murders, a lot of missing people found, or at least alive or dead.
If people would just learn how, and it can be done.
There was a program a few years back, one of these old East Wanted, you know, or mystery things, and a lady had disappeared up here in the States in Eastern Washington.
All right then, Red Elk, I'm going to read you something else.
I was going to hold this for a future date, but I cannot resist.
This appeared in a Manila newspaper on March 4th, 2002, a Manila newspaper.
The headline is, Mysterious Voice Leads to Mass Grave.
A mysterious voice heard by a woman was said to have led authorities to a common grave in the central Philippines, a province which was allegedly used by communist guerrillas in its purging campaigns.
Now, listen, a woman in her 30s who introduced herself simply as Eling Inde told reporters who visited the unmarked common gravesite at a remote village in Maban, M-A-U-B-A-N town, that she had recently had paranormal experiences.
Quote, I kept hearing a mysterious female voice calling for help so that she and her companion could rest in peace.
The voice asked me not only to pray for their souls, but to search for their grave.
She added, she said she sought the help of the military who sent soldiers, get this, sent soldiers to dig an area close to this woman's house in the San Miguel district.
Colonel Evren Oban, task force commander, said they knew the area had been a communist rebel camp during the 1980s.
Even though I suspected the grave was a mass burial site of the NPA, New People's Army, I was still surprised when we discovered the piles of human skeletons, he says.
The remains of five people thus far have been dug up from the common grave.
A separate pit contained belongings of what the military claimed were victims of communist executions.
One of the skeletons was presumed to belong to a woman because of the pink stripes on the blouse that was there and that was still intact.
It appeared they were executed hastily.
And in fact, they are just simply shocked at what this woman has led them to.
But she says that a voice led her to lead the military to this mass grave.
That's a story from Manila.
Red Elk, that sounds an awful lot like what you were just talking about.
All I know is there's a very great deal beneath the Earth and above the Earth that we just don't know much about.
And when a woman in the Philippines leads the military to a mass grave based on a voice pleading for her to help so that these souls can rest, and it happens, it really works.
Or when somebody looks in a mirror and sees something that ought not be there, to me that means there's a big world out there we just don't understand, both below, above, and right here on Terra Firma.
That's one of the areas that Red Elk talks about.
I know a lot of people go, you are out of your mind.
Maybe?
Maybe not.
Well, we've had a giant coronal explosion on the sun, and that baby's right headed straight at Earth, as a matter of fact, impacting Earth now.
And that has had an effect on my clocks here, my atomic clocks temporarily.
We're having a real absorption event going on.
It's kind of like evaporation in a way.
I suppose it's relative.
And so we've got that going on and a lot of other technical, interesting things going on.
And by golly, here comes John from Wenatchee, Washington, who recalls my precognitive experience with something telling me that my car was going to be hit.
You remember that?
I've told you that story many times.
I'm not going to go over it now.
But he says, hey, Art, your car has talked to you.
Who do you think it was who told you that it was going to be hit so long ago when you had that experience?
Oh, they're burying themselves because of their stupidity.
Boy, John, I make friends.
But nevertheless, the mirror and things like that, all of this, the voices, the mirrors, it's all this twisting and turning of the ribbon and the ripping of the veils and the vibration of the inner earth.
You know, again, I go to what's going to happen after all of this change occurs and what kind of world we're going to have, and what kind of people are going to be the ones that are going to make it from here to there.
I take it it's going to be a relatively small percentage compared to the 6.
Yes, all right.
Well, there are presently almost 6 billion people on the earth, if not by now more.
So if you're talking about a few million, maybe 10 million people surviving, that's almost everybody dying.
But over those who do make it, Red Elk, dire as this prediction is, what kind of people are most likely to make it?
So then you're saying that there is no particular kind of spiritual person that's going to make it, and it's going to be a virtual Noah's ark of a sample of almost everything on earth.
And only those that go through it and survive are those that the Creator has chosen.
What will happen?
You'll have 30 to 40 years of pure survival, deep survival, picking up a rock to hit another rock to make a knife, not knowing how to nap it into a sharp edge, but just busting rock against rock to cut.
People in time will, a big city will be 16 mud huts like in Africa, made up of mud and what little vegetation they can find.
But that means that everything we now know, our big cities, our industrial might, our military might, our infrastructure, you said roads would essentially be gone.
You'd only find short portions of them.
What is it, Red Elk, that could do this kind of incredible, just incredible, unbelievable damage?
Red Elk, back, if you don't mind, to the inner earth.
It's something people are really interested in.
I have a question for you.
If, Red Elk, if I have an opportunity to go to Mel's hole, to go to this second hole here in my state described by Mel, should I go or would it be dangerous?
They literally live in stones, and they are a form of angels that she claims, now I'm only going by what she's told me, are the totems or the angels of the fairies and gnomes and stuff, and literally the same totems that our Indian people carry.
They come from inner earth.
A totem is not a totem pole.
We're speaking a totem or a protector.
See, we didn't have the Jewish angels with wings and white and white looks.
We, you know, the Creator didn't leave anybody alone.
He knew what we could accept.
And so anyway, what came, she said, what Mr. Waters had, and it's not his name, but anyway, what Mr. Waters said or happened was a strange being coming up.
She said, this is extremely rare.
It happens just a few times in many, many centuries.
It was an angel, sir, that took the opportunity, a rock flyer angel, that took the opportunity to get up out of the inner earth, to face Mr. Waters, to heal him, and then jump back in or dive back in and become the rock flyer again.
It literally took on the opportunity, and it came out strange, and she claimed this is extremely rare, and she could not emphasize that strong enough.
And you just don't realize what these people do, these inner beings.
They walk around in these tunnels, and if they get a hunger, a thirst, you know, if they want a shot of liquor, they have actual machinery.
Like you and I would go to a motel and go and get a pop out of a machine.
They would go down the hall, go to a machine, and they got little bells and whistles on it, little handles and all that jazz, all electronic.
And they can see above earth and spot the one or more who have these inserts and cause problems, and they suck the energy, the fear, the, well, if it's a rape, they get the fear of the woman being raped, for instance.
Or if it's a bombing at the school.
Man, I tell you, these people are causing more trouble than you people have any idea about.
Yeah, we know that there is an evil force that appears to be acting upon certain people.
Now, others would say, oh, no, no, no, it's just will of man.
But really, in some cases, it's so far out, and what is done is so impossibly awful and evil that it's almost, it's pretty easy to imagine there is an external force acting to make this happen.
Well, the funny part about it, Mr. Bell, is the fact that these people, and they are people, they are soul-bearers, these people believe, and they do, that they are God, big G. And as God, they can do anything they want.
They do not believe in God.
They do not believe in Lucifer.
And yet they do not know that it is Lucifer who is pulling their chain.
They are one of the first, these unholy four are one of the first of his races takeover.
Well, listen, I've got to take a break here and go get rid of a devil.
And we'll be right back.
My guest is Red Elk.
And I am going to turn him over to you.
This is your opportunity.
You've heard some absolutely off-the-wall, wild stuff tonight, and you can either regard it that way or think that you're hearing something that you can relate to.
It'll be interesting to see exactly what you think it really will, Will.
So coming up after the break, we're going to the phones with Red Elk.
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My guest is Red Elk, and he's a Native American contrarian, kind of an interesting guy in so many ways.
He talks about an inner earth and so many more things that I thought this hour I'm going to turn him over to you and see what you'd like to know about.
I've got a website, and I'm getting it on the website now, and I'm trying to answer the mail on the website.
She's not letting me get to the mail there.
And I've got prisoners, the Hayokas that are not Indians, that's looking for help, and I put them all aside so whenever I get a break, I can write one letter, hit my little button on this God-given computer, and send them every, you know, all of them.
I have a friend, and most recently, she, in passing comment, told me about the lizard person that she had begun seeing, and that this lizard person was in the back of her car, but has become more prominent, and as she said, a part of her family.
Now, I didn't know what to make of it, so I made nothing of it to her.
But if there is an upside or a downside, and if there is anything that I can advise her, how would I go about that?
About three years ago, I had a dream where the world was, it wasn't so much engulfed as just a wall of flame went around the planet, and the only people that survived were the ones that were in touch with the so-called animal side of them.
The next time around, my friend, which is very shortly, this world will come close to being destroyed mostly by fire.
And consider when the earth flips, all the electrical wiring that's cracking around, live, starting fires, people with candles falling, starting fires.
We get a mess ahead of us.
And those, only those who are spiritually in tune with the Creator and all things, including nature, these are the ones that can make it.
I'm not going to say they will.
I say they can.
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My other question, is this possible that someone would be like one of these half-breeds that you're talking about?
Because I've always felt deep down that I was what the old Norse or the Vikings called the Berserker, which means bear man in their language.
And would they know it, or would it be possible that they'd feel a half-breed without knowing it?
Well, again, you realize that there are a percentage of people out there, Red Elk, and I can tell by looking at my computer screen, who understand what you're saying and do grasp what you're saying, believe me.
And then there's another percentage that think you're crazy as a loon.
My friend, there is a way, and I'm a danger to them, and I'm in deep trouble, even Sharon.
But in the long run, the Creator is going to let the spring on the mousetrap stop them.
That's why we are here.
We volunteer even though we don't know it we volunteer to be cheese meat and everything is going to know once again there is one creator and that creator is love Okay, in the meantime there are ways to cool their their their thing but to cool their their agenda and their full agenda.
He's basically saying the same thing he said about some of the shadow people you recall that they take the energy, they take the fear and they feed on it.
The greys, sir, in the first place, these little ones that everybody's seeing, those are what is it when you when you make something out of another human being with cones.
And they're grown plants.
They are not humans.
They have no soul.
They are literally made by the last of the true grays, which look like them, are taller, lankier, much skinnier, bigger head.
My guest is Red Elk, and you're either going to, I think, completely reject what he's saying and think he's loony as can be, or you're going to find some truth in what you're hearing.
Despite the manner in which it is perhaps being presented to you, there's an obvious truth that some of you will know as you hear it.
I guess it just depends on how you take this sort of thing.
I don't know.
Fascinating man.
Red Olk is absolutely a fascinating man, and as you listen to him, there's a coherence to everything he says, even though individually, at the macro level, it may seem at times incoherent.
It's not.
There's a totality of coherence to it if you're really listening.
If you're dismissing it, then you're just going to miss it altogether.
And Red Elk would say, well, so what, I suppose?
But there is an overall coherence to it and a message that comes from it.
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if there is a next time, I would like to literally take about 10 minutes and people come on board with pen and pencil, pencil and paper, and I will tell how to practice on-demand mental telepathy.
We will break AT ⁇ T, and our government will not be able to trace masses of people's thoughts, and they won't be listening in.
Yeah, and so, you know, when you were even talking, Art, and saying things like, you know, I can't picture this, I can't picture this.
So much of it is imagining.
You have to imagine what's wonderful and what's good and what you understand to be good.
And I'm not talking about just on a personal, selfish level, although it really ultimately is personal and selfish because I think ultimately we in our hearts and in our souls, we all want peace, we all want love, we all want those good things.
It's just when the politics and the individual greed gets in the way that it becomes distorted.
Yes, and it needs total love, commitment, a great desire, humbleness of heart, and a great want, a hunger.
Those people that have that and can unite can do miracles beyond miracles because that's the way the Creator has made us and wants us to be.
For Mr. Bell and your information, I would like to talk about A very sacred thing.
Probably one of the greatest secrets that medicine people know.
The fact is, we live, we are a dream, the Creator's dream.
We live because He does not sleep.
Now, everybody knows or most knows about lucid dreaming where you're being chased by something, but you're in a half-sleep state, and you can turn around and say, why are you chasing me?
You know, and then find out what it's all about.
What you don't know is that we are living a lucid dream.
And you were speaking about, y'all were talking about talking to rocks earlier and having the rocks talk back.
Well, a lot of us talk to, you know, whenever you, like Art was mad at his car or you, part of the half of the communication, you talk to something, but the other half is listening to what it has to say.
I believe that you absolutely believe every word you're saying, and I think a lot of what you're saying has an absolute ring of truth to those who have stuck around and listened.
Yeah, I was studying guitar in the mirror about 10 years ago, and I was looking off to the side of the mirror as I was doing it, and I started seeing really weird evil-type things coming in.